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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  1 01:11:15 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:11:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ????
Message-ID: <BAY2-F169TkMHRTjl5i0005bf83@hotmail.com>

Istvan:

Great to hear from you...five hours to go and my wife can get me drunk and 
have her way with me!

Sadly..I was a stupid young man who never wanted to learn the languages 
offered to me..Hungarian, Russian, Yiddish...How I kick myself now!!! To 
speak several languages is to possess power! I still enjoy hearing the 
senior citizens speak the above...my family is now long retired and living 
in the state of Florida...speaking all those languages among themselves!

Long live the memory of Bela Bartok, and Kodaly!!!

Neil Lipes
(sorry I only speak English)           HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>From: S�ndor Istv�n <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ????
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:07:56 +0100
>
>Hello Neil,
>you are an incredibly international-originated person.
>I am sorry if I am indiscrete, may I know if you speak either Hungarian or
>Russian?
>(Really not to interrogate you, I would be simply very happy if you have 
>any
>knowledge of these "exotic" languages.)
>
>And for all the Nakkers:
>I don't know if in English is it common to abbreviate Happy New Year? But 
>in
>Hungarian it is, the complete sentence is Boldog �j �vet K�v�nok, e.g. B��K
>to you all!
>
>Istv�n
>(Only 50 minutes before midnight here.)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 10:28 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] ????
>
>
> > Nelson:
> >
> > Since three of my grandparents were born in Odessa..plenty of "ruski"
>blood
> > flows in my veins!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > >From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: [naktalk] ????
> > >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:21:25 -0000
> > >
> > >Happy New Year my Nak brothers ... which will come @ about 21:00 GMT 
>for
> > >those of you in Moscow.  (AS wife is Russian, we're having TWO New Year
> > >celebrations ... one @ 21:00 and the other @ 24:00 midnight GMT ... and
> > >we'll probably have a 3rd to welcome in the New Year a few days later
>when
> > >the OLD Russian New Year arrives, too ...)
> > >
> > >Gra'
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Jan  1 01:16:52 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:16:52 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
Message-ID: <1078c5c107473c.107473c1078c5c@vsnl.net>

My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as fanatical group
for this New Year!
I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording. 
Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"

kannan


----- Original Message -----
From: Sándor István <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:07 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ????

> Hello Neil,
> you are an incredibly international-originated person.
> I am sorry if I am indiscrete, may I know if you speak either 
> Hungarian or
> Russian?
> (Really not to interrogate you, I would be simply very happy if 
> you have any
> knowledge of these "exotic" languages.)
> 
> And for all the Nakkers:
> I don't know if in English is it common to abbreviate Happy New 
> Year? But in
> Hungarian it is, the complete sentence is Boldog Új Évet Kívánok, 
> e.g. BÚÉK
> to you all!
> 
> István
> (Only 50 minutes before midnight here.)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 10:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ????
> 
> 
> > Nelson:
> >
> > Since three of my grandparents were born in Odessa..plenty of 
> "ruski"blood
> > flows in my veins!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > >From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: [naktalk] ????
> > >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:21:25 -0000
> > >
> > >Happy New Year my Nak brothers ... which will come @ about 
> 21:00 GMT for
> > >those of you in Moscow.  (AS wife is Russian, we're having TWO 
> New Year
> > >celebrations ... one @ 21:00 and the other @ 24:00 midnight GMT 
> ... and
> > >we'll probably have a 3rd to welcome in the New Year a few days 
> laterwhen
> > >the OLD Russian New Year arrives, too ...)
> > >
> > >Gra'
> > >---
> > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > >Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/03
> >
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From hisself at ol-jim.com  Thu Jan  1 01:48:51 2004
From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:48:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ????
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F169TkMHRTjl5i0005bf83@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FF32823.8059.212CD761@localhost>

> Sadly..I was a stupid young man who never wanted to learn the
> languages offered to me..Hungarian, Russian, Yiddish...How I kick
> myself now!!! 

Neil,

I was no smarter than you, but, out of self defense, I learned a smattering of Yiddish (so 
I could understand what my parents did not want me to know). Thanks to a former 
significant other, I also have a little Russian, and thanks to a Peruvian wife, I am fairly 
fluent in Spanish.  I also can read and pray in Hebrew thanks to many years in Hebrew 
School.

My father's family came from the Ukraine, where they settled in 1496 after being kicked 
out of Portugal with the rest of the Jews.

Happy New Year, y'all.

Ol' Jim, hisself

hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com



Gun Control is life insurance for those Government Officials scheming to steal the 
rest of your Bill of Rights.



From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Thu Jan  1 02:17:09 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:17:09 EST
Subject: [naktalk] A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR!! :) TO KANAAN!! KEEP UP THE GOOD
	WORK!!
Message-ID: <18b.23fed8ff.2d24cf15@aol.com>

Hi Kanaan!     Wishing you a  VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! I have to say without 
hesitation this nice human being has been the most helpful of  all the nakamichi  
fans  at this site!! Keep up the good work Kanaan!  And thank you so much for 
providing very thought suggestions and advice to help fix my Nakamichi 
RX-505!!:)

With  Best Regards!
Ali
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jan  1 02:26:27 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 01:26:27 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
In-Reply-To: <1078c5c107473c.107473c1078c5c@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer>

Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be a nice
present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal for a
charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine, subscribe to mine ..."
!!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?   Mmmm... all those
things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me, Kannan.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as fanatical group
> for this New Year!
> I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"
>
> kannan
>
>
>
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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Thu Jan  1 02:50:54 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:50:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4
In-Reply-To: <3FEEBEBF.66789264@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <003401c3d009$b2041180$2001000a@c994264f>

I own a CR-4 and a CR-7 - The record/playback heads of the CR-4 has a
distinct sound, different from a CR-7 (don't not read this as one is better
than the other, though to my ears a CR-7 has a significant audio headroom
and richness). 

The CR-4 (IMHO) has the most critical calibration subset of what a CR-7
offers (nee the auto-calibrate feature).

The record level/bias adjustment/calibration is a welcomed featured, as I
don't wish to adjust the bias by ear. With the CR-4, I am amazed how tape
formulas are wildly different by brands, grades, and even production year.
My bias and record level is never the same with my different grades of
Maxell, TDK, BASF, Denon cassette tapes. 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Wouter Heijke
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 3:30 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs CR-4


 
Hi All,

I've been working on the CR series pages for the new site and am now taking
a closer look at the CR-5 & CR-4. It seems to me that the CR-4 may be the
nicer deck, is has Level & Bias calibration where the CR-5 'only' has Bias
adjust and then the CR-4 als has a copper-plated chassis (even CR-7
doesn't!) and OFC wiring and the CR-5 doesn't... I'm only reading this from
brochures so if i'm wrong please correct. But what is the Naktalker's
opinion on these 2 decks?

Wouter

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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Thu Jan  1 07:10:46 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 02:10:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] ????
References: <3FF32823.8059.212CD761@localhost>
Message-ID: <001f01c3d02e$02bf4b70$466523c8@g8nsv>

Happy New Year to all of you!!!!
I speak Hebrew and some Yiddish and understand some Romenian too...that
besides my English and my native Spanish.
Hope you all enjoy the holidays....
Best regards from Venezuela

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" <hisself at ol-jim.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ????


> > Sadly..I was a stupid young man who never wanted to learn the
> > languages offered to me..Hungarian, Russian, Yiddish...How I kick
> > myself now!!!
>
> Neil,
>
> I was no smarter than you, but, out of self defense, I learned a
smattering of Yiddish (so
> I could understand what my parents did not want me to know). Thanks to a
former
> significant other, I also have a little Russian, and thanks to a Peruvian
wife, I am fairly
> fluent in Spanish.  I also can read and pray in Hebrew thanks to many
years in Hebrew
> School.
>
> My father's family came from the Ukraine, where they settled in 1496 after
being kicked
> out of Portugal with the rest of the Jews.
>
> Happy New Year, y'all.
>
> Ol' Jim, hisself
>
> hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com
>
>
>
> Gun Control is life insurance for those Government Officials scheming to
steal the
> rest of your Bill of Rights.
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>




From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Thu Jan  1 07:11:44 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 02:11:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003001c3d02e$24127bd0$466523c8@g8nsv>

Hey Graham!!!!
Keep on asking my friend...you never what could happen.....

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be a nice
> present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal for a
> charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine, subscribe to mine
..."
> !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?   Mmmm... all
those
> things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me, Kannan.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as fanatical group
> > for this New Year!
> > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"
> >
> > kannan
> >
> >
> >
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
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From MacBruce at aol.com  Thu Jan  1 02:13:15 2004
From: MacBruce at aol.com (MacBruce at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:13:15 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250/ADS
Message-ID: <1cf.170e3e00.2d24ce2b@aol.com>

Hello!
I was cleaning several years worth of dust from behind my stereo cabinet 
today, when I stumbled upon my old Nakamichi 250 cassette deck. I bought it around 
1979 or so along with the correct ADS powered speakers and their mounts, the 
Nak/ADS power source, all the cables, and the deck mount as well. My question 
is: Is this setup considered collectible? If so, what's it worth these days? I 
remember when I bought it, it was pretty much state of the art! I would think 
there'd be a demand for such a period piece, no?
Bruce Lindner, Milwaukie Oregon
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Thu Jan  1 16:25:02 2004
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:25:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year
Message-ID: <003d01c3d07b$6d677f40$aac86391@p4t533c>

Happy New Year for you all

Norman
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jan  1 19:14:38 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:14:38 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002201c3d093$1efd6a00$62773242@coqui.net>

Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready to go broke
anytime with a high ticket for repairs.

I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be a nice
> present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal for a
> charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine, subscribe to mine
..."
> !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?   Mmmm... all
those
> things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me, Kannan.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as fanatical group
> > for this New Year!
> > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"
> >
> > kannan
> >
> >
> >
> ---
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jan  1 17:26:07 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:26:07 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
In-Reply-To: <002201c3d093$1efd6a00$62773242@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <000801c3d083$f573b540$c3ab4e51@oemcomputer>

True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better than most!
But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd have
thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though perhaps not a
lot more!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready to go broke
> anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
>
> I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be a nice
> > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal for a
> > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine, subscribe to mine
> ..."
> > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?   Mmmm... all
> those
> > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me, Kannan.
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
> fanatical group
> > > for this New Year!
> > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"
> > >
> > > kannan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26/12/03
> >
> >
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> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jan  1 19:48:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:48:05 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000801c3d083$f573b540$c3ab4e51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000701c3d097$cb99cfc0$62773242@coqui.net>

Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the predecessors
ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think that the
Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the technical
issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine where the
parts and service is widely available.

What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the repair ticket
converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL full
refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!

Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector you may be,
but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only some
small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the end,
nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked with it
until the Armageddon comes ! ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better than
most!
> But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd have
> thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though perhaps not a
> lot more!
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready to go broke
> > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> >
> > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be a
nice
> > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal for a
> > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine, subscribe to mine
> > ..."
> > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?   Mmmm... all
> > those
> > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me, Kannan.
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
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> > > > for this New Year!
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> > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Jan  1 18:47:54 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 12:47:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player
References: <001a01c3cfd3$ba42e0a0$9bc14c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <3FF45D4A.3090808@snet.net>

If I'm not mistaken, Stephen actually commented on this some time ago, 
stating that the OMS-7 was nearly impossible to modify for digital out. 
Similar situation with early generation Philips that were at the heart 
of McIntosh MCD-7000, etc.

Ed

Nelson wrote:

>Stephen Sank will probably know.  (Where is he hiding these days?   STEPHEN!
>we know you're lurking .... come out, come out where ever you are ...)
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of Compudude
>>Sent: 31 December 2003 19:03
>>To: naktalk
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] OMS7E CD Player
>>
>>
>>The guy I bought if from (he makes his living on ebay, buying from local
>>auctions and selling them on ebay) said that people are buying
>>the oms7 for
>>its mechanics. Apparently some people are using it as CD-transport only,
>>connecting it to an external DAC. There are no digital outputs on oms7, I
>>don't know how they are doing this. One has to have the schematics to find
>>the s/pdif output.
>>
>>_Fuad
>>
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>>Precedence: list
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Jan  1 18:50:47 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 12:50:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250/ADS
References: <1cf.170e3e00.2d24ce2b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3FF45DF7.1080205@snet.net>

I had actually taken a pulse on ebay after discovering my old 250 after 
many years. Unfortunately, the 250 didn't seem to be worth more than $50 
- $60! I decided instead to keep it and enjoy it in my secondary office 
system... BTW, nice sounding deck!

Happy New Year, Ed

MacBruce at aol.com wrote:

> Hello!
> I was cleaning several years worth of dust from behind my stereo 
> cabinet today, when I stumbled upon my old Nakamichi 250 cassette 
> deck. I bought it around 1979 or so along with the correct ADS powered 
> speakers and their mounts, the Nak/ADS power source, all the cables, 
> and the deck mount as well. My question is: Is this setup considered 
> collectible? If so, what's it worth these days? I remember when I 
> bought it, it was pretty much state of the art! I would think there'd 
> be a demand for such a period piece, no?
> Bruce Lindner, Milwaukie Oregon
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jan  1 19:56:59 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 18:56:59 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
In-Reply-To: <000701c3d097$cb99cfc0$62773242@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c3d099$09174700$2d8a4c51@oemcomputer>

I reckon you're right!   And when Armageddon comes ... we won't be able to
take the Nak's with us working or not!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> Sent: 01 January 2004 18:48
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the predecessors
> ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think that the
> Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the technical
> issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine where the
> parts and service is widely available.
>
> What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the
> repair ticket
> converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL full
> refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!
>
> Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector
> you may be,
> but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only some
> small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the end,
> nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked with it
> until the Armageddon comes ! ha !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> > True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better than
> most!
> > But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd have
> > thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though
> perhaps not a
> > lot more!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> the naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready
> to go broke
> > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > >
> > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> the naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be a
> nice
> > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual
> appeal for a
> > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> subscribe to mine
> > > ..."
> > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
> Mmmm... all
> > > those
> > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me, Kannan.
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > > >
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> > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
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> > > > >
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From sbioa1 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  1 20:10:30 2004
From: sbioa1 at hotmail.com (jojo mac)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:10:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
Message-ID: <BAY7-F125pC0l5wODZ400067153@hotmail.com>

Hey all, Happy New Year, this is my first time posting something here so I 
hope it works.

Have a question, a relative of mine owns a cr7 tape deck and based on looks 
and condition kept it�s excellent.
The problem that it has is mainly whenever trying to rewind a tape or 
fast-forward (it hadn�t been used in a while and even when it was used I 
don't think we ever rewound any tapes).
Currently if you try to rewind with a tape there, there appears to be a sec. 
of movement and it stops/stalls, when trying without a tape it rewinds for 
about 15sec. before stopping.  Fast-forward is similar except it doesn't 
stop without a tape and with one usually will have trouble, slow down, and 
stop near the beginning of the tape or near then end (but basically the same 
problem as rewind to a lesser extent).

It hasn�t been to a shop since it was bought, so I was just wondering if 
anyone here might have any insight on what could be the problem?

Thanks, Chao!

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan  1 20:26:37 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 20:26:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer>
	<002201c3d093$1efd6a00$62773242@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <3FF4746C.E2F4B81A@xs4all.nl>

I don't know, i own both and my Dragon keeps giving me trouble where the 1000ZXL
is performing flawlessly!
I guess i'm lucky. My Dragon's main problem is tape transport (i guess it is)
and now has to go back for repairs again! I think i spend more on this Dragon
then on buying my $1000 1000ZXL back in 1999. To my opinion the ZXL's are the
best for recording too, the ABLE calibration simply tunes the deck the best for
each tape, but the Dragon/ZX7/9's manual calibration has it's charm too....
choises are difficult sometimes...

Wouter

"Carlitos Jr." wrote:

> Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready to go broke
> anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
>
> I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
> > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be a nice
> > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal for a
> > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine, subscribe to mine
> ..."
> > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?   Mmmm... all
> those
> > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me, Kannan.
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as fanatical group
> > > for this New Year!
> > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
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> > >
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Jan  1 20:47:29 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:47:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
In-Reply-To: <BAY7-F125pC0l5wODZ400067153@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY7-F125pC0l5wODZ400067153@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FF47951.4070905@rcn.com>

jojo mac wrote:
> Hey all, Happy New Year, this is my first time posting something here so 
> I hope it works.
> 
> Have a question, a relative of mine owns a cr7 tape deck and based on 
> looks and condition kept it’s excellent.
> The problem that it has is mainly whenever trying to rewind a tape or 
> fast-forward (it hadn’t been used in a while and even when it was used I 
> don't think we ever rewound any tapes).
> Currently if you try to rewind with a tape there, there appears to be a 
> sec. of movement and it stops/stalls, when trying without a tape it 
> rewinds for about 15sec. before stopping.  Fast-forward is similar 
> except it doesn't stop without a tape and with one usually will have 
> trouble, slow down, and stop near the beginning of the tape or near then 
> end (but basically the same problem as rewind to a lesser extent).
> 
> It hasn’t been to a shop since it was bought, so I was just wondering if 
> anyone here might have any insight on what could be the problem?
> 
> Thanks, Chao!

Your CR-7 probably still has the rubber idler tire -- it's a
60 cent part that's reasonably easy to replace. Replacing the
tire plus giving the deck a well deserved cleaning/lubrication
is an hour or so job. This is within the capability of many
hobbyists. If it requires recalibration (you did say it never
received any service since bought?) expect to pay $150 or so
for the whole job -- it requires expensive gauges and tools
that most of us do not own.

You could also go for broke and have the idler assembly
replaced with the gear modification -- far more expensive,
but will never require service.

-- Ron





From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Jan  2 00:42:32 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:42:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] 700 tri-tracer
Message-ID: <3915-3FF4B068-1145@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net>

hi,iam disowning one of my naks.its a 700 tri-tracer in excellent
condition.im assumng that since nak-mart is non-op.,that its ok to
mention it here.           Well,anyway,im not gonna sell it,but i would
like to trade it for something i need like a headphone amp,a dynakit
tube amp(+cash),or a decent tuner.

thank you very much,
gerald



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Jan  2 11:49:32 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:49:32 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D322@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Howdy all. A happy new year to you all!

	Tom.


From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Jan  2 12:04:43 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:04:43 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] RX-202
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D323@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

If the function lights are blinking then it could be your cam motor on the
frits. Try opening the unit up and assist the cam motor by pushing it
yourself. If you are not sure which motor is the cam motor then you should
be able to obtain the service manual from the Naktalk website. Wouter do you
know the best way to download the service manual? The other thing that may
be the cause of this problem is the mode sensors, it's located right next to
the cam motor and it has three switches that tell the microprocessor what
position the mechanics are at the time, these usually need a clean as grit
builds up on the contacts and the microprocessor is given a false reading.
 
    Tom. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Heins [mailto:tgheins at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 December 2003 12:07
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RX-202


I have an RX-202 with a tape jammed inside.  It won't eject.  When I try, it
just spits a little tape out and the lights start blinking back and forth.
Is there a reset button somewhere. I have no manual.  Any suggestions? Yes,
I've unplugged it.  Thx.
Tim

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From ti at amb.org  Fri Jan  2 12:22:02 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 03:22:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon capstan motors lube procedure?
Message-ID: <200401021122.LAA05407@amb.org>

Hi all,

Happy 2004!

Recently I noticed my Nak Dragon would exhibit a (very faint)
ch-ch-ch type noise when turned on cold, but that noise would
go away after a few minutes.  This happens even when there is
no tape loaded, so I assume the capstan motors probably need
a little lubrication.  There is no apparent ill effect other than
the noise.

What's the correct way to lube the capstan motors?

-Ti
-- 
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   2 4 6


From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Fri Jan  2 14:32:25 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:32:25 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000801c3d083$f573b540$c3ab4e51@oemcomputer>
	<000701c3d097$cb99cfc0$62773242@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c3d135$1c0ea6e0$16299bca@aisha>


I agree that ZXL is a pain to fix ... plus so many things go wrong at
different times.  Finished working the rec bias, meter went off, two months
later mechanism logic failed etc.  Looks like it requires constant attention
for the first few months after it sits down in our room.  However ... once
you get all the bugs out of the 'king', it will reward you with a lifetime
experience !  In my case all problems came from ICs (several 455x op amps +
early days logic ICs ?) and of course orange caps.

Too bad Nak didn't maintain that special sounding pb amp along its newer
lines.  Do they think ZX9 or CR7 pb amps are improvement over ZXL's ?  It
doesn't look that expensive nor complicated to implement zxl pb amp onto
plain naks.

Re: CR7 vs dragon, imho dragon have quite robust electronics but more
difficult tape travel to set up due to auto reverse + naac combo.  Other
than that, dragon would still get my vote for 'the only nak to own'.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Carlitos Jr.
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the predecessors
ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think that the
Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the technical
issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine where the
parts and service is widely available.

What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the repair ticket
converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL full
refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!

Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector you may be,
but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only some
small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the end,
nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked with it
until the Armageddon comes ! ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better than
most!
> But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd have
> thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though perhaps not a
> lot more!
>
> Gra'




From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 17:51:52 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:51:52 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <001b01c3d099$09174700$2d8a4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001901c3d150$ba00a860$0a773242@coqui.net>

Exactly right, Gra' Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> I reckon you're right!   And when Armageddon comes ... we won't be able to
> take the Nak's with us working or not!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:48
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the
predecessors
> > ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think that
the
> > Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the technical
> > issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine where
the
> > parts and service is widely available.
> >
> > What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the
> > repair ticket
> > converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL full
> > refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!
> >
> > Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector
> > you may be,
> > but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only some
> > small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the end,
> > nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked with
it
> > until the Armageddon comes ! ha !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > > True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better than
> > most!
> > > But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd have
> > > thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though
> > perhaps not a
> > > lot more!
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > the naks!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready
> > to go broke
> > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > >
> > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > the naks!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be
a
> > nice
> > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual
> > appeal for a
> > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> > subscribe to mine
> > > > ..."
> > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
> > Mmmm... all
> > > > those
> > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
Kannan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gra'
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > the naks!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
> > > > fanatical group
> > > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > kannan
> > > > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 17:54:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:54:37 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer><002201c3d093$1efd6a00$62773242@coqui.net>
	<3FF4746C.E2F4B81A@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <002101c3d151$1bdb0300$0a773242@coqui.net>

Hey Wouter, you are one of the blessed ones. My story is completely the
other way around: my Dragon has never visisted a repair shop while my
"almost new" 1000 ZXL has been a dissapointment.

I have to confess, though, that it is the most impressive machine ever made
(including all brands) and properly aligned has no competition at all.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> I don't know, i own both and my Dragon keeps giving me trouble where the
1000ZXL
> is performing flawlessly!
> I guess i'm lucky. My Dragon's main problem is tape transport (i guess it
is)
> and now has to go back for repairs again! I think i spend more on this
Dragon
> then on buying my $1000 1000ZXL back in 1999. To my opinion the ZXL's are
the
> best for recording too, the ABLE calibration simply tunes the deck the
best for
> each tape, but the Dragon/ZX7/9's manual calibration has it's charm
too....
> choises are difficult sometimes...
>
> Wouter
>
> "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
>
> > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready to go broke
> > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> >
> > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be a
nice
> > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal for a
> > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine, subscribe to mine
> > ..."
> > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?   Mmmm... all
> > those
> > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me, Kannan.
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as fanatical
group
> > > > for this New Year!
> > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"
> > > >
> > > > kannan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 18:01:39 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:01:39 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 700 tri-tracer
References: <3915-3FF4B068-1145@storefull-2236.public.lawson.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <002f01c3d152$17f10220$0a773242@coqui.net>

Jerry:

I don't want to dissapoint you, but, the tri-tracers are not popular
anymore. Unfortunately the price for those models are very low and since the
parts are no longer made... well, go figure.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 700 tri-tracer


> hi,iam disowning one of my naks.its a 700 tri-tracer in excellent
> condition.im assumng that since nak-mart is non-op.,that its ok to
> mention it here.           Well,anyway,im not gonna sell it,but i would
> like to trade it for something i need like a headphone amp,a dynakit
> tube amp(+cash),or a decent tuner.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 18:06:22 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:06:22 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000801c3d083$f573b540$c3ab4e51@oemcomputer><000701c3d097$cb99cfc0$62773242@coqui.net>
	<004b01c3d135$1c0ea6e0$16299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <004501c3d152$c00ce5a0$0a773242@coqui.net>

That's right Salim. I think that if anybody ask me what Nak to have, I'll
simply reply: the Dragon. It gives you a very good taste of what a Nak can
do. Good sound, auto-azymuth, auto reverse, manual calibration for the tape,
both Dolby's, continued playing... well, you named it !

1000 ZXL: no doubt it is the most impressive, but it has the most impressive
repair tickets in the industry too.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


>
> I agree that ZXL is a pain to fix ... plus so many things go wrong at
> different times.  Finished working the rec bias, meter went off, two
months
> later mechanism logic failed etc.  Looks like it requires constant
attention
> for the first few months after it sits down in our room.  However ... once
> you get all the bugs out of the 'king', it will reward you with a lifetime
> experience !  In my case all problems came from ICs (several 455x op amps
+
> early days logic ICs ?) and of course orange caps.
>
> Too bad Nak didn't maintain that special sounding pb amp along its newer
> lines.  Do they think ZX9 or CR7 pb amps are improvement over ZXL's ?  It
> doesn't look that expensive nor complicated to implement zxl pb amp onto
> plain naks.
>
> Re: CR7 vs dragon, imho dragon have quite robust electronics but more
> difficult tape travel to set up due to auto reverse + naac combo.  Other
> than that, dragon would still get my vote for 'the only nak to own'.
>
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carlitos Jr.
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the predecessors
> ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think that the
> Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the technical
> issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine where the
> parts and service is widely available.
>
> What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the repair
ticket
> converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL full
> refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!
>
> Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector you may
be,
> but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only some
> small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the end,
> nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked with it
> until the Armageddon comes ! ha !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> > True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better than
> most!
> > But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd have
> > thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though perhaps not
a
> > lot more!
> >
> > Gra'
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 18:30:11 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:30:11 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Crazy Things
References: <BAY2-F919ny7BXx4XFK000567cb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c3d156$1420ea80$0a773242@coqui.net>

Just when you think you have seen it all ...

At ebay:

700     starting bid at: $799.00
1000                    at: $999.00

A Dragon only bid at $999.00 (have no doubt that the seller himself bid on
it ... Ha !)

Carlos




From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 18:33:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY2-F919ny7BXx4XFK000567cb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3d156$788858a0$0a773242@coqui.net>

OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition MR-2's
remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't want to
loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs it,
well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).

Just let me know ...

Carlos




From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Jan  2 16:28:41 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:28:41 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
	naks!!!
Message-ID: <sff5aa54.068@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Can't take it with me.........????

I'll sure go down trying!!  My new thermonuclear power supply on my
682ZX, with a very nasty orange cap fallout effect will have them
running!!!

Marc

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From jimsoden at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 16:39:10 2004
From: jimsoden at yahoo.com (James B. Soden)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 10:39:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY2-F919ny7BXx4XFK000567cb@hotmail.com>
	<000701c3d156$788858a0$0a773242@coqui.net>
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Hi Carlos!

I'd love to buy one!  $50 plus around $15 for shipping?  You are truly
wonderful!

If you still have one left, I'm your man! :-)

Jim Soden
jimsoden at yahoo.com



"Carlitos Jr." wrote:
> 
> OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition MR-2's
> remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't want to
> loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs it,
> well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> 
> Just let me know ...
> 
> Carlos
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan  2 16:58:21 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:58:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <001b01c3d099$09174700$2d8a4c51@oemcomputer>
	<001901c3d150$ba00a860$0a773242@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <002e01c3d149$3f363200$d8106343@johnnyrotten>

Carlos, while we have your attention, what's the latest on the marathon
tapes to CD project? Are you still awaiting equipment to arrive in PR?

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


Exactly right, Gra' Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> I reckon you're right!   And when Armageddon comes ... we won't be able to
> take the Nak's with us working or not!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:48
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the
predecessors
> > ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think that
the
> > Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the technical
> > issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine where
the
> > parts and service is widely available.
> >
> > What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the
> > repair ticket
> > converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL full
> > refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!
> >
> > Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector
> > you may be,
> > but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only some
> > small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the end,
> > nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked with
it
> > until the Armageddon comes ! ha !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > > True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better than
> > most!
> > > But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd have
> > > thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though
> > perhaps not a
> > > lot more!
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > the naks!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready
> > to go broke
> > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > >
> > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > the naks!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be
a
> > nice
> > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual
> > appeal for a
> > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> > subscribe to mine
> > > > ..."
> > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
> > Mmmm... all
> > > > those
> > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
Kannan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gra'
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > the naks!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
> > > > fanatical group
> > > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > kannan
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Jan  2 18:19:03 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:19:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer><002201c3d093$1efd6a00$62773242@coqui.net>
	<3FF4746C.E2F4B81A@xs4all.nl>
	<002101c3d151$1bdb0300$0a773242@coqui.net>
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Hi Carlos.

Yes i think too that i'm lucky with my 1000ZXL and unlucky with my Dragon....
I know that (like all 1000's) the ZXL decks are quite sensitive too in the
'plugin' boards inside! A friend owning a 700ZXL had strange problems and then
turning the source/tape switch the problem seemed to go... he discovered that
while turning this switch the boards moved slightly too!! So he took out all
boards and cleaned the connectors and fixed the problem... Well ZXL problems can
be more hard to find, i know..
Hope yours will be playing/recording like mine one time!
Can't Stephen help you?

Wouter

"Carlitos Jr." wrote:

> Hey Wouter, you are one of the blessed ones. My story is completely the
> other way around: my Dragon has never visisted a repair shop while my
> "almost new" 1000 ZXL has been a dissapointment.
>
> I have to confess, though, that it is the most impressive machine ever made
> (including all brands) and properly aligned has no competition at all.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
> > I don't know, i own both and my Dragon keeps giving me trouble where the
> 1000ZXL
> > is performing flawlessly!
> > I guess i'm lucky. My Dragon's main problem is tape transport (i guess it
> is)
> > and now has to go back for repairs again! I think i spend more on this
> Dragon
> > then on buying my $1000 1000ZXL back in 1999. To my opinion the ZXL's are
> the
> > best for recording too, the ABLE calibration simply tunes the deck the
> best for
> > each tape, but the Dragon/ZX7/9's manual calibration has it's charm
> too....
> > choises are difficult sometimes...
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
> >
> > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready to go broke
> > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > >
> > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> > >
> > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be a
> nice
> > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal for a
> > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine, subscribe to mine
> > > ..."
> > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?   Mmmm... all
> > > those
> > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me, Kannan.
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as fanatical
> group
> > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"
> > > > >
> > > > > kannan
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From vferdman at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 18:25:04 2004
From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:25:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
In-Reply-To: <200401011100.i01B0DEr007224@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20040102172504.61295.qmail@web61104.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, all and happy and healthy New Year.  I am amazed at how international this list is and even
more amazed that my city of birth and first 15 years of my life, Odessa, Ukraine was actually
mentioned by name here.  I've lived in US for 23 years now, but Russian remains my mother tongue. 
English running close second.

Best to all in the New Year!
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Fri Jan  2 19:23:45 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 01:23:45 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer>
	<002201c3d093$1efd6a00$62773242@coqui.net>
	<3FF4746C.E2F4B81A@xs4all.nl>
	<002101c3d151$1bdb0300$0a773242@coqui.net>
	<3FF5A807.F5EA0D8B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001a01c3d15d$a74b4ec0$ea299bca@aisha>


Imho ZXL can easily develop lots of problem here and there due to the
complexities of a.b.l.e.  Even after long period of 'burn-in' (I believe
said ZXL already made round trips to NM), another problem could show up some
time after the long shipment.  Playback on the other hand should be
fuss-free once the faulty + dried caps replaced.  I think it takes about 6
months for mine to 'settle down' and now it's as solid as other decks, even
after long time of no-play.

Maybe Ron or engineers within naktalk can answer if that 'serial problem'
could possibly caused by newly installed parts affecting original components
?  Or is it just old components / ICs failing one by one ?

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


Hi Carlos.

Yes i think too that i'm lucky with my 1000ZXL and unlucky with my
Dragon....
I know that (like all 1000's) the ZXL decks are quite sensitive too in the
'plugin' boards inside! A friend owning a 700ZXL had strange problems and
then
turning the source/tape switch the problem seemed to go... he discovered
that
while turning this switch the boards moved slightly too!! So he took out all
boards and cleaned the connectors and fixed the problem... Well ZXL problems
can
be more hard to find, i know..
Hope yours will be playing/recording like mine one time!
Can't Stephen help you?

Wouter

"Carlitos Jr." wrote:

> Hey Wouter, you are one of the blessed ones. My story is completely the
> other way around: my Dragon has never visisted a repair shop while my
> "almost new" 1000 ZXL has been a dissapointment.
>
> I have to confess, though, that it is the most impressive machine ever
made
> (including all brands) and properly aligned has no competition at all.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----




From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 21:44:04 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:44:04 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY2-F919ny7BXx4XFK000567cb@hotmail.com><000701c3d156$788858a0$0a773242@coqui.net>
	<3FF5909E.318E66D6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c3d171$292e0fa0$3c773242@coqui.net>

Sure. One is for you. OK guys, Only 2 remains !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "James B. Soden" <jimsoden at yahoo.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


> Hi Carlos!
>
> I'd love to buy one!  $50 plus around $15 for shipping?  You are truly
> wonderful!
>
> If you still have one left, I'm your man! :-)
>
> Jim Soden
> jimsoden at yahoo.com
>
>
>
> "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
> >
> > OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition MR-2's
> > remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't want to
> > loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs it,
> > well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> >
> > Just let me know ...
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 21:46:20 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:46:20 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
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	<002e01c3d149$3f363200$d8106343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <002101c3d171$7a91f000$3c773242@coqui.net>

The moving company called my wife today and told her to expect the things at
my house next Thursday. I'm looking forward to receive it and start working
on many projects pending. One of those is the Marathon Tape, of course.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> Carlos, while we have your attention, what's the latest on the marathon
> tapes to CD project? Are you still awaiting equipment to arrive in PR?
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> Exactly right, Gra' Ha !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> > I reckon you're right!   And when Armageddon comes ... we won't be able
to
> > take the Nak's with us working or not!
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:48
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the
> predecessors
> > > ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think that
> the
> > > Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the
technical
> > > issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine where
> the
> > > parts and service is widely available.
> > >
> > > What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the
> > > repair ticket
> > > converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL full
> > > refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!
> > >
> > > Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector
> > > you may be,
> > > but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only
some
> > > small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the end,
> > > nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked with
> it
> > > until the Armageddon comes ! ha !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better
than
> > > most!
> > > > But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd
have
> > > > thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though
> > > perhaps not a
> > > > lot more!
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > the naks!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready
> > > to go broke
> > > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > the naks!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would
be
> a
> > > nice
> > > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual
> > > appeal for a
> > > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> > > subscribe to mine
> > > > > ..."
> > > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
> > > Mmmm... all
> > > > > those
> > > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
> Kannan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gra'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
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> > > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > for this New Year!
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recording.
> > > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a
Dragon!"
> > > > > > >
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From mithao at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 19:42:07 2004
From: mithao at hotmail.com (Minh Pham)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:42:07 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
Message-ID: <BAY13-F21MCIqtQvAau000460f6@hotmail.com>


Hi Carlos;

Please sell me one. I am living in Chicago area. Thanks!

Sincerely;
Mithao


>From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
>
>OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition MR-2's
>remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't want to
>loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs it,
>well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
>
>Just let me know ...
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 21:50:25 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:50:25 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer><002201c3d093$1efd6a00$62773242@coqui.net><3FF4746C.E2F4B81A@xs4all.nl><002101c3d151$1bdb0300$0a773242@coqui.net>
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Yes, originally he fixed it. 2 weeks later, she came down with another kind
of malaise. My problem is the long shipping from Puerto Rico to New Mexico.
Then, another fellow technician offered to fully refurbish it as new with
one year of warranty, but with a high ticket of $1,500 - $2,000 !!!!

I'll do it if I could afford that, but it isn't just practical for me at
this time. I just want it to be fixed and sell it cheap to someone over
there, perhaps Gra wants one. Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> Hi Carlos.
>
> Yes i think too that i'm lucky with my 1000ZXL and unlucky with my
Dragon....
> I know that (like all 1000's) the ZXL decks are quite sensitive too in the
> 'plugin' boards inside! A friend owning a 700ZXL had strange problems and
then
> turning the source/tape switch the problem seemed to go... he discovered
that
> while turning this switch the boards moved slightly too!! So he took out
all
> boards and cleaned the connectors and fixed the problem... Well ZXL
problems can
> be more hard to find, i know..
> Hope yours will be playing/recording like mine one time!
> Can't Stephen help you?
>
> Wouter
>
> "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
>
> > Hey Wouter, you are one of the blessed ones. My story is completely the
> > other way around: my Dragon has never visisted a repair shop while my
> > "almost new" 1000 ZXL has been a dissapointment.
> >
> > I have to confess, though, that it is the most impressive machine ever
made
> > (including all brands) and properly aligned has no competition at all.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> > > I don't know, i own both and my Dragon keeps giving me trouble where
the
> > 1000ZXL
> > > is performing flawlessly!
> > > I guess i'm lucky. My Dragon's main problem is tape transport (i guess
it
> > is)
> > > and now has to go back for repairs again! I think i spend more on this
> > Dragon
> > > then on buying my $1000 1000ZXL back in 1999. To my opinion the ZXL's
are
> > the
> > > best for recording too, the ABLE calibration simply tunes the deck the
> > best for
> > > each tape, but the Dragon/ZX7/9's manual calibration has it's charm
> > too....
> > > choises are difficult sometimes...
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > > "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready to go
broke
> > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > >
> > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
naks!!!
> > > >
> > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would be
a
> > nice
> > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal
for a
> > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine, subscribe to
mine
> > > > ..."
> > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?   Mmmm...
all
> > > > those
> > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
Kannan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gra'
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
naks!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
fanatical
> > group
> > > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak recording.
> > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a Dragon!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > kannan
> > > > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 21:51:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:51:37 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
References: <20040102172504.61295.qmail@web61104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c3d172$3745bce0$3c773242@coqui.net>

Use to have a friend in Hollywood, LA  from Russia and his name was Vladimir
too. Funny little fellow ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vladimir Ferdman" <vferdman at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list


> Hi, all and happy and healthy New Year.  I am amazed at how international
this list is and even
> more amazed that my city of birth and first 15 years of my life, Odessa,
Ukraine was actually
> mentioned by name here.  I've lived in US for 23 years now, but Russian
remains my mother tongue.
> English running close second.
>
> Best to all in the New Year!
> Vladimir
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 21:53:36 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:53:36 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
References: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer><002201c3d093$1efd6a00$62773242@coqui.net><3FF4746C.E2F4B81A@xs4all.nl><002101c3d151$1bdb0300$0a773242@coqui.net><3FF5A807.F5EA0D8B@xs4all.nl>
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You are right, Salim. Usually they are solid on the playback side, but not
so on recording. I used it for playback for a while until I realized how
stupid is for me to have such a deck without recording capability.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


>
> Imho ZXL can easily develop lots of problem here and there due to the
> complexities of a.b.l.e.  Even after long period of 'burn-in' (I believe
> said ZXL already made round trips to NM), another problem could show up
some
> time after the long shipment.  Playback on the other hand should be
> fuss-free once the faulty + dried caps replaced.  I think it takes about 6
> months for mine to 'settle down' and now it's as solid as other decks,
even
> after long time of no-play.
>
> Maybe Ron or engineers within naktalk can answer if that 'serial problem'
> could possibly caused by newly installed parts affecting original
components
> ?  Or is it just old components / ICs failing one by one ?
>
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wouter Heijke
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> Hi Carlos.
>
> Yes i think too that i'm lucky with my 1000ZXL and unlucky with my
> Dragon....
> I know that (like all 1000's) the ZXL decks are quite sensitive too in the
> 'plugin' boards inside! A friend owning a 700ZXL had strange problems and
> then
> turning the source/tape switch the problem seemed to go... he discovered
> that
> while turning this switch the boards moved slightly too!! So he took out
all
> boards and cleaned the connectors and fixed the problem... Well ZXL
problems
> can
> be more hard to find, i know..
> Hope yours will be playing/recording like mine one time!
> Can't Stephen help you?
>
> Wouter
>
> "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
>
> > Hey Wouter, you are one of the blessed ones. My story is completely the
> > other way around: my Dragon has never visisted a repair shop while my
> > "almost new" 1000 ZXL has been a dissapointment.
> >
> > I have to confess, though, that it is the most impressive machine ever
> made
> > (including all brands) and properly aligned has no competition at all.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 22:04:57 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 15:04:57 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY13-F21MCIqtQvAau000460f6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3d174$14d327e0$3c773242@coqui.net>

Minh:

If one of the first 3 changed their mind, I'll let you have one.

By the way: these MR's were the last series to be produced with the gear
mod.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


>
> Hi Carlos;
>
> Please sell me one. I am living in Chicago area. Thanks!
>
> Sincerely;
> Mithao
>
>
> >From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
> >
> >OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition MR-2's
> >remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't want to
> >loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs it,
> >well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> >
> >Just let me know ...
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 22:13:04 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 15:13:04 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY13-F21MCIqtQvAau000460f6@hotmail.com>
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By the way, all the machines would include a new Maxima BASF Tape with a
recording done in the deck itself . As you may know, these sales are final
cause I don't want my wife to get pissed off at me again with all these gear
around.

Other things will be for sale soon at special prices too.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


> Minh:
>
> If one of the first 3 changed their mind, I'll let you have one.
>
> By the way: these MR's were the last series to be produced with the gear
> mod.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> >
> > Hi Carlos;
> >
> > Please sell me one. I am living in Chicago area. Thanks!
> >
> > Sincerely;
> > Mithao
> >
> >
> > >From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
> > >
> > >OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition MR-2's
> > >remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't want
to
> > >loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs it,
> > >well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> > >
> > >Just let me know ...
> > >
> > >Carlos
> > >
> > >
> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan  2 20:11:43 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:11:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
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Go Carlos, your der man! ;-) Are you in the same area of P.R?

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


The moving company called my wife today and told her to expect the things at
my house next Thursday. I'm looking forward to receive it and start working
on many projects pending. One of those is the Marathon Tape, of course.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> Carlos, while we have your attention, what's the latest on the marathon
> tapes to CD project? Are you still awaiting equipment to arrive in PR?
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> Exactly right, Gra' Ha !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> > I reckon you're right!   And when Armageddon comes ... we won't be able
to
> > take the Nak's with us working or not!
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:48
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the
> predecessors
> > > ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think that
> the
> > > Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the
technical
> > > issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine where
> the
> > > parts and service is widely available.
> > >
> > > What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the
> > > repair ticket
> > > converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL full
> > > refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!
> > >
> > > Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector
> > > you may be,
> > > but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only
some
> > > small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the end,
> > > nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked with
> it
> > > until the Armageddon comes ! ha !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better
than
> > > most!
> > > > But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd
have
> > > > thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though
> > > perhaps not a
> > > > lot more!
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > the naks!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready
> > > to go broke
> > > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > the naks!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would
be
> a
> > > nice
> > > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual
> > > appeal for a
> > > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> > > subscribe to mine
> > > > > ..."
> > > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
> > > Mmmm... all
> > > > > those
> > > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
> Kannan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gra'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > the naks!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
> > > > > fanatical group
> > > > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak
recording.
> > > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a
Dragon!"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > kannan
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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 20:15:46 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:15:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
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Carlos,
if you are interested to send any gear to Hungary, please let me know (about
the P&P fees also).
I hope you are going to keep on Nakking after this all sale-off...do you?

Others:
please help me to convince him not to give up all the Naks... :-)
István

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


> By the way, all the machines would include a new Maxima BASF Tape with a
> recording done in the deck itself . As you may know, these sales are final
> cause I don't want my wife to get pissed off at me again with all these
gear
> around.
>
> Other things will be for sale soon at special prices too.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> > Minh:
> >
> > If one of the first 3 changed their mind, I'll let you have one.
> >
> > By the way: these MR's were the last series to be produced with the gear
> > mod.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:42 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Carlos;
> > >
> > > Please sell me one. I am living in Chicago area. Thanks!
> > >
> > > Sincerely;
> > > Mithao
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
> > > >
> > > >OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition
MR-2's
> > > >remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't want

> to
> > > >loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs
it,
> > > >well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> > > >
> > > >Just let me know ...
> > > >
> > > >Carlos
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Jan  2 20:20:39 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:20:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 550 powersupply
Message-ID: <3FF5C487.780DF2A4@xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

As an original 550 powersupply will be hard to find i'm looking for an
alternative.
Anyone know what to buy and how to rebuild it to fit the 550's
connector? The connector looks like a black box power connector.

Wouter



From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 22:28:41 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 15:28:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
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Yes. In the paradise of the East Coast by the Rain Forrest of El Yunque ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> Go Carlos, your der man! ;-) Are you in the same area of P.R?
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> The moving company called my wife today and told her to expect the things
at
> my house next Thursday. I'm looking forward to receive it and start
working
> on many projects pending. One of those is the Marathon Tape, of course.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> > Carlos, while we have your attention, what's the latest on the marathon
> > tapes to CD project? Are you still awaiting equipment to arrive in PR?
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > Exactly right, Gra' Ha !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > > I reckon you're right!   And when Armageddon comes ... we won't be
able
> to
> > > take the Nak's with us working or not!
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:48
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> naks!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the
> > predecessors
> > > > ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think
that
> > the
> > > > Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the
> technical
> > > > issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine
where
> > the
> > > > parts and service is widely available.
> > > >
> > > > What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the
> > > > repair ticket
> > > > converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL
full
> > > > refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!
> > > >
> > > > Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector
> > > > you may be,
> > > > but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only
> some
> > > > small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the
end,
> > > > nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked
with
> > it
> > > > until the Armageddon comes ! ha !
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> naks!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better
> than
> > > > most!
> > > > > But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd
> have
> > > > > thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though
> > > > perhaps not a
> > > > > lot more!
> > > > >
> > > > > Gra'
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > > the naks!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready
> > > > to go broke
> > > > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > > the naks!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would
> be
> > a
> > > > nice
> > > > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual
> > > > appeal for a
> > > > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> > > > subscribe to mine
> > > > > > ..."
> > > > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
> > > > Mmmm... all
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
> > Kannan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gra'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > > the naks!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
> > > > > > fanatical group
> > > > > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak
> recording.
> > > > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a
> Dragon!"
> > > > > > > >
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri Jan  2 20:28:26 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 14:28:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3d15d$a74b4ec0$ea299bca@aisha>
References: <000001c3d006$4738ecc0$9a73893e@oemcomputer>	<002201c3d093$1efd6a00$62773242@coqui.net>	<3FF4746C.E2F4B81A@xs4all.nl>	<002101c3d151$1bdb0300$0a773242@coqui.net>	<3FF5A807.F5EA0D8B@xs4all.nl>
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Salim Marzuki wrote:
> Imho ZXL can easily develop lots of problem here and there due to the
> complexities of a.b.l.e.  Even after long period of 'burn-in' (I believe
> said ZXL already made round trips to NM), another problem could show up some
> time after the long shipment.  Playback on the other hand should be
> fuss-free once the faulty + dried caps replaced.  I think it takes about 6
> months for mine to 'settle down' and now it's as solid as other decks, even
> after long time of no-play.
> 
> Maybe Ron or engineers within naktalk can answer if that 'serial problem'
> could possibly caused by newly installed parts affecting original components
> ?  Or is it just old components / ICs failing one by one ?

Salim,

It's unlikely a new part (assuming it's good) would
accelerate the demise of older parts around it. More likely,
you had a number of marginal parts that failed one after
the other.

I see this often in my other hobby, of vintage test
instruments (from heathkit, Eico, etc.). I would fix a unit
to the point where everything works perfectly, calibrate it
and put it in my lab. A week later I turn it on and damn if
it doesn't act up again!  Only yesterday, an RF generator
became intermittent -- it was a cold solder joint that lasted
for 20 years and finally decided to lose contact. This was
followed by my old trusty harmonic distortion meter. Would
you believe a wire broke right at a tube socket? The thermal
cycling must have finally got to it...

-- Ron


> 
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wouter Heijke
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> 
> 
> Hi Carlos.
> 
> Yes i think too that i'm lucky with my 1000ZXL and unlucky with my
> Dragon....
> I know that (like all 1000's) the ZXL decks are quite sensitive too in the
> 'plugin' boards inside! A friend owning a 700ZXL had strange problems and
> then
> turning the source/tape switch the problem seemed to go... he discovered
> that
> while turning this switch the boards moved slightly too!! So he took out all
> boards and cleaned the connectors and fixed the problem... Well ZXL problems
> can
> be more hard to find, i know..
> Hope yours will be playing/recording like mine one time!
> Can't Stephen help you?
> 
> Wouter
> 
> "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hey Wouter, you are one of the blessed ones. My story is completely the
>>other way around: my Dragon has never visisted a repair shop while my
>>"almost new" 1000 ZXL has been a dissapointment.
>>
>>I have to confess, though, that it is the most impressive machine ever
> 
> made
> 
>>(including all brands) and properly aligned has no competition at all.
>>
>>Carlos
>>




From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 22:36:09 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 15:36:09 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
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Hey Sandor ! I'll keep some of my decks, but most of them has gone already.
Remember Misha from Russia ? Well, he bought me 2 decks last year, including
that museum piece of my 700 II. I'm not sure what's next, but maybe the
Dragon or the 1000 ZXL after I fix it.

You know, and this is a friendly advice: you got the bug from this wonderful
list and you start buying decks like crazy. At the end, you find yourself
with a lot of goodies with no time to use them all or to have them in a
proper place. Last year, before I moved to California, I did an inventory...
Well, I discovered 52 pieces of audio gear between decks, integrates,
speakers ... some of them still sealed in the new boxes.  I calculated about
$35,000 in all.

Now, you see how I have to priced them in order to sell it. But I'm happy
because I know they wil have a new home with other Nak brothers.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sándor István" <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


> Carlos,
> if you are interested to send any gear to Hungary, please let me know
(about
> the P&P fees also).
> I hope you are going to keep on Nakking after this all sale-off...do you?
>
> Others:
> please help me to convince him not to give up all the Naks... :-)
> István
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> > By the way, all the machines would include a new Maxima BASF Tape with a
> > recording done in the deck itself . As you may know, these sales are
final
> > cause I don't want my wife to get pissed off at me again with all these
> gear
> > around.
> >
> > Other things will be for sale soon at special prices too.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> >
> >
> > > Minh:
> > >
> > > If one of the first 3 changed their mind, I'll let you have one.
> > >
> > > By the way: these MR's were the last series to be produced with the
gear
> > > mod.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:42 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Carlos;
> > > >
> > > > Please sell me one. I am living in Chicago area. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely;
> > > > Mithao
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > > >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition
> MR-2's
> > > > >remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't
want
>
> > to
> > > > >loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs
> it,
> > > > >well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> > > > >
> > > > >Just let me know ...
> > > > >
> > > > >Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jan  2 20:38:03 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:38:03 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
In-Reply-To: <20040102172504.61295.qmail@web61104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3d167$f0450e40$4ee34c51@oemcomputer>

Vladimir

The only thing this list is short of are women!  :o)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Vladimir Ferdman
> Sent: 02 January 2004 17:25
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
>
>
> Hi, all and happy and healthy New Year.  I am amazed at how
> international this list is and even
> more amazed that my city of birth and first 15 years of my life,
> Odessa, Ukraine was actually
> mentioned by name here.  I've lived in US for 23 years now, but
> Russian remains my mother tongue.
> English running close second.
>
> Best to all in the New Year!
> Vladimir
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan  2 20:36:31 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:36:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
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Sounds very exotic, I'll just bring my toothbrush! Seriously, if I ever get
down that way maybe we can share a few beers!

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


Yes. In the paradise of the East Coast by the Rain Forrest of El Yunque ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> Go Carlos, your der man! ;-) Are you in the same area of P.R?
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> The moving company called my wife today and told her to expect the things
at
> my house next Thursday. I'm looking forward to receive it and start
working
> on many projects pending. One of those is the Marathon Tape, of course.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> > Carlos, while we have your attention, what's the latest on the marathon
> > tapes to CD project? Are you still awaiting equipment to arrive in PR?
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > Exactly right, Gra' Ha !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > > I reckon you're right!   And when Armageddon comes ... we won't be
able
> to
> > > take the Nak's with us working or not!
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:48
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> naks!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the
> > predecessors
> > > > ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think
that
> > the
> > > > Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the
> technical
> > > > issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine
where
> > the
> > > > parts and service is widely available.
> > > >
> > > > What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the
> > > > repair ticket
> > > > converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL
full
> > > > refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!
> > > >
> > > > Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector
> > > > you may be,
> > > > but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only
> some
> > > > small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the
end,
> > > > nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked
with
> > it
> > > > until the Armageddon comes ! ha !
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> naks!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better
> than
> > > > most!
> > > > > But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?  I'd
> have
> > > > > thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though
> > > > perhaps not a
> > > > > lot more!
> > > > >
> > > > > Gra'
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > > the naks!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready
> > > > to go broke
> > > > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > > the naks!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon would
> be
> > a
> > > > nice
> > > > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual
> > > > appeal for a
> > > > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> > > > subscribe to mine
> > > > > > ..."
> > > > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
> > > > Mmmm... all
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
> > Kannan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gra'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > > the naks!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
> > > > > > fanatical group
> > > > > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak
> recording.
> > > > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a
> Dragon!"
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 22:49:50 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 15:49:50 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
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You and everyone in this list are welcome in Puerto Rico.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> Sounds very exotic, I'll just bring my toothbrush! Seriously, if I ever
get
> down that way maybe we can share a few beers!
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> Yes. In the paradise of the East Coast by the Rain Forrest of El Yunque
...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> > Go Carlos, your der man! ;-) Are you in the same area of P.R?
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > The moving company called my wife today and told her to expect the
things
> at
> > my house next Thursday. I'm looking forward to receive it and start
> working
> > on many projects pending. One of those is the Marathon Tape, of course.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > > Carlos, while we have your attention, what's the latest on the
marathon
> > > tapes to CD project? Are you still awaiting equipment to arrive in PR?
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:51 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Exactly right, Gra' Ha !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:56 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
naks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > I reckon you're right!   And when Armageddon comes ... we won't be
> able
> > to
> > > > take the Nak's with us working or not!
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:48
> > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> > naks!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, could be. But the difference between the Dragon and the
> > > predecessors
> > > > > ZXL's is that the Dragon has better and newer technology. I think
> that
> > > the
> > > > > Dragon, CR 7 and ZX 7-9 are in the same league, concerning the
> > technical
> > > > > issues. The bottom line is: I feel much better having a machine
> where
> > > the
> > > > > parts and service is widely available.
> > > > >
> > > > > What does a Gold 1000 ZXL worth if it can not be fix or if the
> > > > > repair ticket
> > > > > converts into a second mortgage? Do you know how much a 1000 ZXL
> full
> > > > > refurbishing cost ? $1,500 - $2,000 !!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Question is: does it worth ? I don't care how an avid collector
> > > > > you may be,
> > > > > but putting all those "greens" in a 25 years old machine that only
> > some
> > > > > small number of collectors seek, it's simply nuts. Period. At the
> end,
> > > > > nobody will pay 2k for a cassette deck today, so, you got stucked
> with
> > > it
> > > > > until the Armageddon comes ! ha !
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> > naks!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > True enough about the 1000ZXL, Carlos, as you should know better
> > than
> > > > > most!
> > > > > > But would you think the Dragon more serviceable that a CR-7?
I'd
> > have
> > > > > > thought there was more to go wrong inside the Dragon, though
> > > > > perhaps not a
> > > > > > lot more!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gra'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 18:15
> > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > > > the naks!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready
> > > > > to go broke
> > > > > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > > > the naks!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a Dragon
would
> > be
> > > a
> > > > > nice
> > > > > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual
> > > > > appeal for a
> > > > > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> > > > > subscribe to mine
> > > > > > > ..."
> > > > > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
> > > > > Mmmm... all
> > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
> > > Kannan.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gra'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > > > > the naks!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
> > > > > > > fanatical group
> > > > > > > > > for this New Year!
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> > recording.
> > > > > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire a
> > Dragon!"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > kannan
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jan  2 20:45:24 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:45:24 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
In-Reply-To: <003401c3d172$0c630a00$3c773242@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <000201c3d168$f6c33ca0$4ee34c51@oemcomputer>

Carlos, I'd love your ZXL but, as it's not working .... Not sure I'd want to
risk it!  However, at least B&W are still servicing Nak's but they did once
tell me they were out of ZXL spares and only ever got them by canibalising
dead units sent to them for repair...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> Sent: 02 January 2004 20:50
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> Yes, originally he fixed it. 2 weeks later, she came down with
> another kind
> of malaise. My problem is the long shipping from Puerto Rico to
> New Mexico.
> Then, another fellow technician offered to fully refurbish it as new with
> one year of warranty, but with a high ticket of $1,500 - $2,000 !!!!
>
> I'll do it if I could afford that, but it isn't just practical for me at
> this time. I just want it to be fixed and sell it cheap to someone over
> there, perhaps Gra wants one. Ha !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
>
>
> > Hi Carlos.
> >
> > Yes i think too that i'm lucky with my 1000ZXL and unlucky with my
> Dragon....
> > I know that (like all 1000's) the ZXL decks are quite sensitive
> too in the
> > 'plugin' boards inside! A friend owning a 700ZXL had strange
> problems and
> then
> > turning the source/tape switch the problem seemed to go... he discovered
> that
> > while turning this switch the boards moved slightly too!! So he took out
> all
> > boards and cleaned the connectors and fixed the problem... Well ZXL
> problems can
> > be more hard to find, i know..
> > Hope yours will be playing/recording like mine one time!
> > Can't Stephen help you?
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Wouter, you are one of the blessed ones. My story is
> completely the
> > > other way around: my Dragon has never visisted a repair shop while my
> > > "almost new" 1000 ZXL has been a dissapointment.
> > >
> > > I have to confess, though, that it is the most impressive machine ever
> made
> > > (including all brands) and properly aligned has no competition at all.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> the naks!!!
> > >
> > > > I don't know, i own both and my Dragon keeps giving me trouble where
> the
> > > 1000ZXL
> > > > is performing flawlessly!
> > > > I guess i'm lucky. My Dragon's main problem is tape
> transport (i guess
> it
> > > is)
> > > > and now has to go back for repairs again! I think i spend
> more on this
> > > Dragon
> > > > then on buying my $1000 1000ZXL back in 1999. To my opinion
> the ZXL's
> are
> > > the
> > > > best for recording too, the ABLE calibration simply tunes
> the deck the
> > > best for
> > > > each tape, but the Dragon/ZX7/9's manual calibration has it's charm
> > > too....
> > > > choises are difficult sometimes...
> > > >
> > > > Wouter
> > > >
> > > > "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready to go
> broke
> > > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> naks!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a
> Dragon would be
> a
> > > nice
> > > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual appeal
> for a
> > > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> subscribe to
> mine
> > > > > ..."
> > > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
>   Mmmm...
> all
> > > > > those
> > > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
> Kannan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gra'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> naks!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
> fanatical
> > > group
> > > > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak
> recording.
> > > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire
> a Dragon!"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > kannan
> > > > > > >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan  2 20:44:56 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:44:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY13-F21MCIqtQvAau000460f6@hotmail.com><000701c3d174$14d327e0$3c773242@coqui.net><000501c3d175$368572c0$3c773242@coqui.net><Sea2-DAV60lSu6f4aul00015028@hotmail.com>
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Do you still have the B&W's? Now that would be nice, speakers from my
homeland. I had some small KEF's but gave those to my daughter. We use
Rogers LS 3/5a's with our TV. My main pair are Magnepan's that have seen
better days and now resonate where they shouldn't! Large Advents in basement
and AR 2ax's in another room. I should trade them all for something solid
with ba__s! ;-)

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


Hey Sandor ! I'll keep some of my decks, but most of them has gone already.
Remember Misha from Russia ? Well, he bought me 2 decks last year, including
that museum piece of my 700 II. I'm not sure what's next, but maybe the
Dragon or the 1000 ZXL after I fix it.

You know, and this is a friendly advice: you got the bug from this wonderful
list and you start buying decks like crazy. At the end, you find yourself
with a lot of goodies with no time to use them all or to have them in a
proper place. Last year, before I moved to California, I did an inventory...
Well, I discovered 52 pieces of audio gear between decks, integrates,
speakers ... some of them still sealed in the new boxes.  I calculated about
$35,000 in all.

Now, you see how I have to priced them in order to sell it. But I'm happy
because I know they wil have a new home with other Nak brothers.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sándor István" <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


> Carlos,
> if you are interested to send any gear to Hungary, please let me know
(about
> the P&P fees also).
> I hope you are going to keep on Nakking after this all sale-off...do you?
>
> Others:
> please help me to convince him not to give up all the Naks... :-)
> István
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> > By the way, all the machines would include a new Maxima BASF Tape with a
> > recording done in the deck itself . As you may know, these sales are
final
> > cause I don't want my wife to get pissed off at me again with all these
> gear
> > around.
> >
> > Other things will be for sale soon at special prices too.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> >
> >
> > > Minh:
> > >
> > > If one of the first 3 changed their mind, I'll let you have one.
> > >
> > > By the way: these MR's were the last series to be produced with the
gear
> > > mod.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:42 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Carlos;
> > > >
> > > > Please sell me one. I am living in Chicago area. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely;
> > > > Mithao
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > > >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition
> MR-2's
> > > > >remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't
want
>
> > to
> > > > >loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs
> it,
> > > > >well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> > > > >
> > > > >Just let me know ...
> > > > >
> > > > >Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan  2 20:48:46 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:48:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
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Message-ID: <010b01c3d169$6f81e1a0$d8106343@johnnyrotten>

Are you sure? I bet there are many lurking here .

Sure would be nice to have Stephen's input and expertise here though!
Stephen we miss you, please jump in here when you can.

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list


Vladimir

The only thing this list is short of are women!  :o)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Vladimir Ferdman
> Sent: 02 January 2004 17:25
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
>
>
> Hi, all and happy and healthy New Year.  I am amazed at how
> international this list is and even
> more amazed that my city of birth and first 15 years of my life,
> Odessa, Ukraine was actually
> mentioned by name here.  I've lived in US for 23 years now, but
> Russian remains my mother tongue.
> English running close second.
>
> Best to all in the New Year!
> Vladimir
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 23:45:23 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:45:23 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
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Message-ID: <000701c3d182$1c539820$3c773242@coqui.net>

No, Gra, I would not sell it unless it's perfectly working. I don't
recommend anybody to risk on a 1000 or 700 ZXL. The risk may cost too much
...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!


> Carlos, I'd love your ZXL but, as it's not working .... Not sure I'd want
to
> risk it!  However, at least B&W are still servicing Nak's but they did
once
> tell me they were out of ZXL spares and only ever got them by canibalising
> dead units sent to them for repair...
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Carlitos Jr.
> > Sent: 02 January 2004 20:50
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > Yes, originally he fixed it. 2 weeks later, she came down with
> > another kind
> > of malaise. My problem is the long shipping from Puerto Rico to
> > New Mexico.
> > Then, another fellow technician offered to fully refurbish it as new
with
> > one year of warranty, but with a high ticket of $1,500 - $2,000 !!!!
> >
> > I'll do it if I could afford that, but it isn't just practical for me at
> > this time. I just want it to be fixed and sell it cheap to someone over
> > there, perhaps Gra wants one. Ha !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the naks!!!
> >
> >
> > > Hi Carlos.
> > >
> > > Yes i think too that i'm lucky with my 1000ZXL and unlucky with my
> > Dragon....
> > > I know that (like all 1000's) the ZXL decks are quite sensitive
> > too in the
> > > 'plugin' boards inside! A friend owning a 700ZXL had strange
> > problems and
> > then
> > > turning the source/tape switch the problem seemed to go... he
discovered
> > that
> > > while turning this switch the boards moved slightly too!! So he took
out
> > all
> > > boards and cleaned the connectors and fixed the problem... Well ZXL
> > problems can
> > > be more hard to find, i know..
> > > Hope yours will be playing/recording like mine one time!
> > > Can't Stephen help you?
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > > "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Wouter, you are one of the blessed ones. My story is
> > completely the
> > > > other way around: my Dragon has never visisted a repair shop while
my
> > > > "almost new" 1000 ZXL has been a dissapointment.
> > > >
> > > > I have to confess, though, that it is the most impressive machine
ever
> > made
> > > > (including all brands) and properly aligned has no competition at
all.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of
> > the naks!!!
> > > >
> > > > > I don't know, i own both and my Dragon keeps giving me trouble
where
> > the
> > > > 1000ZXL
> > > > > is performing flawlessly!
> > > > > I guess i'm lucky. My Dragon's main problem is tape
> > transport (i guess
> > it
> > > > is)
> > > > > and now has to go back for repairs again! I think i spend
> > more on this
> > > > Dragon
> > > > > then on buying my $1000 1000ZXL back in 1999. To my opinion
> > the ZXL's
> > are
> > > > the
> > > > > best for recording too, the ABLE calibration simply tunes
> > the deck the
> > > > best for
> > > > > each tape, but the Dragon/ZX7/9's manual calibration has it's
charm
> > > > too....
> > > > > choises are difficult sometimes...
> > > > >
> > > > > Wouter
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carlitos Jr." wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well Gra' at least is certainly better than a 1000 ZXL ready to
go
> > broke
> > > > > > anytime with a high ticket for repairs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess, I vote for the Dragon too ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:26 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> > naks!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Correct - the birthday is in February.  (Guys - a
> > Dragon would be
> > a
> > > > nice
> > > > > > > present!   For the newbies around here, this is my annual
appeal
> > for a
> > > > > > > charitable gift - as the song says, "Charity's fine,
> > subscribe to
> > mine
> > > > > > ..."
> > > > > > > !!!    It's become an annual ritual! )    But a Dragon?
> >   Mmmm...
> > all
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > > things that could go wrong with it ....  Go on, convince me,
> > Kannan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gra'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > > > > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: 01 January 2004 00:17
> > > > > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year - wish you get more of the
> > naks!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My wishes to you all - truly an international as well as
> > fanatical
> > > > group
> > > > > > > > for this New Year!
> > > > > > > > I also wish you trouble free Nak listening if not nak
> > recording.
> > > > > > > > Graham - I think your birthday is nearing and my sincere
> > > > > > > > suggestion "better to dispose of your CR7 and acquire
> > a Dragon!"
> > > > > > > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jan  2 21:40:47 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:40:47 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
In-Reply-To: <010b01c3d169$6f81e1a0$d8106343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <000101c3d170$b37d9500$70c04c51@oemcomputer>

I expect Stephen's hiding lest any of his customers think he's spending too
much time on line and not enough on fixing their decks !!!  :o)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> Sent: 02 January 2004 19:49
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
>
>
> Are you sure? I bet there are many lurking here .
>
> Sure would be nice to have Stephen's input and expertise here though!
> Stephen we miss you, please jump in here when you can.
>
> John T.
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> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:38 PM
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan  2 23:47:07 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:47:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY13-F21MCIqtQvAau000460f6@hotmail.com><000701c3d174$14d327e0$3c773242@coqui.net><000501c3d175$368572c0$3c773242@coqui.net><Sea2-DAV60lSu6f4aul00015028@hotmail.com><000701c3d178$70abe4e0$3c773242@coqui.net>
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Long gone, my friend and I still missing them ... I now have 2 Tannoy
Monsters that use for mastering. Amazingly real and heavy.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


> Do you still have the B&W's? Now that would be nice, speakers from my
> homeland. I had some small KEF's but gave those to my daughter. We use
> Rogers LS 3/5a's with our TV. My main pair are Magnepan's that have seen
> better days and now resonate where they shouldn't! Large Advents in
basement
> and AR 2ax's in another room. I should trade them all for something solid
> with ba__s! ;-)
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> Hey Sandor ! I'll keep some of my decks, but most of them has gone
already.
> Remember Misha from Russia ? Well, he bought me 2 decks last year,
including
> that museum piece of my 700 II. I'm not sure what's next, but maybe the
> Dragon or the 1000 ZXL after I fix it.
>
> You know, and this is a friendly advice: you got the bug from this
wonderful
> list and you start buying decks like crazy. At the end, you find yourself
> with a lot of goodies with no time to use them all or to have them in a
> proper place. Last year, before I moved to California, I did an
inventory...
> Well, I discovered 52 pieces of audio gear between decks, integrates,
> speakers ... some of them still sealed in the new boxes.  I calculated
about
> $35,000 in all.
>
> Now, you see how I have to priced them in order to sell it. But I'm happy
> because I know they wil have a new home with other Nak brothers.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sándor István" <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> > Carlos,
> > if you are interested to send any gear to Hungary, please let me know
> (about
> > the P&P fees also).
> > I hope you are going to keep on Nakking after this all sale-off...do
you?
> >
> > Others:
> > please help me to convince him not to give up all the Naks... :-)
> > István
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> >
> >
> > > By the way, all the machines would include a new Maxima BASF Tape with
a
> > > recording done in the deck itself . As you may know, these sales are
> final
> > > cause I don't want my wife to get pissed off at me again with all
these
> > gear
> > > around.
> > >
> > > Other things will be for sale soon at special prices too.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > >
> > >
> > > > Minh:
> > > >
> > > > If one of the first 3 changed their mind, I'll let you have one.
> > > >
> > > > By the way: these MR's were the last series to be produced with the
> gear
> > > > mod.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:42 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Carlos;
> > > > >
> > > > > Please sell me one. I am living in Chicago area. Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely;
> > > > > Mithao
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
> > > > > >
> > > > > >OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition
> > MR-2's
> > > > > >remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't
> want
> >
> > > to
> > > > > >loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who
needs
> > it,
> > > > > >well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Just let me know ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Carlos
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From sinuhe at r-grieco.net  Fri Jan  2 22:34:25 2004
From: sinuhe at r-grieco.net (Raffaele Grieco)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:34:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 550 powersupply
References: <3FF5C487.780DF2A4@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <009f01c3d178$5ae2ce80$baadcbd5@rg>

Hello Wouter,

> As an original 550 powersupply will be hard to find i'm looking for an
> alternative.
> Anyone know what to buy and how to rebuild it to fit the 550's
> connector? The connector looks like a black box power connector.

Owning a 550 and a 250 but only 1 power supply, I went thru the same procedure
:)

I simply bought a 1A, generic multi-voltage power supply (like those you can use
to power walkman, portable radios, and so on), and a 4-pin DIN connector; just
soldered the negative pole to pin 1 and the positive to pin 4, both seen from
the pin-side (front) of the connector; by the way, they are internally numbered
this way on the connector itself.
If you want me to be more precise, just drop me a line and I'll try to arrange
some photos... :)

I easily found both pieces at my local electronics store; since this has been
easy in southern Italy, I think you will have no troubles to find them...

Best regards,

Raffaele




From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan  2 23:29:16 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:29:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY13-F21MCIqtQvAau000460f6@hotmail.com><000701c3d174$14d327e0$3c773242@coqui.net><000501c3d175$368572c0$3c773242@coqui.net><Sea2-DAV60lSu6f4aul00015028@hotmail.com><000701c3d178$70abe4e0$3c773242@coqui.net><010501c3d168$e89fb310$d8106343@johnnyrotten>
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Tannoy, another good, old UK name. Are they golds?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


Long gone, my friend and I still missing them ... I now have 2 Tannoy
Monsters that use for mastering. Amazingly real and heavy.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


> Do you still have the B&W's? Now that would be nice, speakers from my
> homeland. I had some small KEF's but gave those to my daughter. We use
> Rogers LS 3/5a's with our TV. My main pair are Magnepan's that have seen
> better days and now resonate where they shouldn't! Large Advents in
basement
> and AR 2ax's in another room. I should trade them all for something solid
> with ba__s! ;-)
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> Hey Sandor ! I'll keep some of my decks, but most of them has gone
already.
> Remember Misha from Russia ? Well, he bought me 2 decks last year,
including
> that museum piece of my 700 II. I'm not sure what's next, but maybe the
> Dragon or the 1000 ZXL after I fix it.
>
> You know, and this is a friendly advice: you got the bug from this
wonderful
> list and you start buying decks like crazy. At the end, you find yourself
> with a lot of goodies with no time to use them all or to have them in a
> proper place. Last year, before I moved to California, I did an
inventory...
> Well, I discovered 52 pieces of audio gear between decks, integrates,
> speakers ... some of them still sealed in the new boxes.  I calculated
about
> $35,000 in all.
>
> Now, you see how I have to priced them in order to sell it. But I'm happy
> because I know they wil have a new home with other Nak brothers.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sándor István" <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> > Carlos,
> > if you are interested to send any gear to Hungary, please let me know
> (about
> > the P&P fees also).
> > I hope you are going to keep on Nakking after this all sale-off...do
you?
> >
> > Others:
> > please help me to convince him not to give up all the Naks... :-)
> > István
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> >
> >
> > > By the way, all the machines would include a new Maxima BASF Tape with
a
> > > recording done in the deck itself . As you may know, these sales are
> final
> > > cause I don't want my wife to get pissed off at me again with all
these
> > gear
> > > around.
> > >
> > > Other things will be for sale soon at special prices too.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > >
> > >
> > > > Minh:
> > > >
> > > > If one of the first 3 changed their mind, I'll let you have one.
> > > >
> > > > By the way: these MR's were the last series to be produced with the
> gear
> > > > mod.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:42 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Carlos;
> > > > >
> > > > > Please sell me one. I am living in Chicago area. Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely;
> > > > > Mithao
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
> > > > > >
> > > > > >OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition
> > MR-2's
> > > > > >remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't
> want
> >
> > > to
> > > > > >loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who
needs
> > it,
> > > > > >well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Just let me know ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz  Fri Jan  2 23:52:59 2004
From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:52:59 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 box for shipping
In-Reply-To: <002701c3d17f$ecb5e020$7a106343@johnnyrotten>
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Hi all,
I'm planning to send my CR7 to Stephen Sank for a complete and utter 
service......but I live in New Zealand and the thing that worries me most 
is the journey it has to make. I don't have any of the original packing 
materials or box.

Does anyone have the box for a CR7 that I could purchase or borrow?
(I would double box around it for additional security)

Hoping someone can help

Brett

From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 01:44:24 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 19:44:24 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
Message-ID: <BAY2-F118Bw48K6jbjz00003e91@hotmail.com>

Vlad:

I tear up thinking about those grandparents that were born in Odessa..three 
of my four...so many stories about the czar etc...I should write a book 
based on the stories I was told as a boy!

Neil
(born in Brooklyn NY but having the blood of Odessa in my veins)


>From: Vladimir Ferdman <vferdman at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:25:04 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hi, all and happy and healthy New Year.  I am amazed at how international 
>this list is and even
>more amazed that my city of birth and first 15 years of my life, Odessa, 
>Ukraine was actually
>mentioned by name here.  I've lived in US for 23 years now, but Russian 
>remains my mother tongue.
>English running close second.
>
>Best to all in the New Year!
>Vladimir
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 01:49:27 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 19:49:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
Message-ID: <BAY2-F110iArJ34cXNp0003b73e@hotmail.com>

Hey!  Liz Hurley is available...just have to cort her in London town!


>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:38:03 -0000
>
>Vladimir
>
>The only thing this list is short of are women!  :o)
>
>Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Vladimir Ferdman
> > Sent: 02 January 2004 17:25
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Internationalism on this list
> >
> >
> > Hi, all and happy and healthy New Year.  I am amazed at how
> > international this list is and even
> > more amazed that my city of birth and first 15 years of my life,
> > Odessa, Ukraine was actually
> > mentioned by name here.  I've lived in US for 23 years now, but
> > Russian remains my mother tongue.
> > English running close second.
> >
> > Best to all in the New Year!
> > Vladimir
> >
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sat Jan  3 15:12:56 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 09:12:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 box for shipping
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Nakamichi used to sell packaging for their products,
complete with internal foam inserts. Kinda pricey, but
useful on occasion.

-- Ron


Brett Dickel wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm planning to send my CR7 to Stephen Sank for a complete and utter 
> service......but I live in New Zealand and the thing that worries me 
> most is the journey it has to make. I don't have any of the original 
> packing materials or box.
> 
> Does anyone have the box for a CR7 that I could purchase or borrow?
> (I would double box around it for additional security)
> 
> Hoping someone can help
> 
> Brett




From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan  3 18:44:03 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:44:03 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY13-F21MCIqtQvAau000460f6@hotmail.com><000701c3d174$14d327e0$3c773242@coqui.net><000501c3d175$368572c0$3c773242@coqui.net><Sea2-DAV60lSu6f4aul00015028@hotmail.com><000701c3d178$70abe4e0$3c773242@coqui.net><010501c3d168$e89fb310$d8106343@johnnyrotten><001301c3d182$5a33be40$3c773242@coqui.net>
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They are System 15 DMT II. Original cost was 10K a pair but I exchanged it
for the 802's. This fellow engineer is using my 802's  in his recording
studio in Texas. The Tannoys are better for my application in mastering than
the former ones. Extremely heavy, flat and big. They are not domestic
models.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


> Tannoy, another good, old UK name. Are they golds?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> Long gone, my friend and I still missing them ... I now have 2 Tannoy
> Monsters that use for mastering. Amazingly real and heavy.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>
>
> > Do you still have the B&W's? Now that would be nice, speakers from my
> > homeland. I had some small KEF's but gave those to my daughter. We use
> > Rogers LS 3/5a's with our TV. My main pair are Magnepan's that have seen
> > better days and now resonate where they shouldn't! Large Advents in
> basement
> > and AR 2ax's in another room. I should trade them all for something
solid
> > with ba__s! ;-)
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> >
> >
> > Hey Sandor ! I'll keep some of my decks, but most of them has gone
> already.
> > Remember Misha from Russia ? Well, he bought me 2 decks last year,
> including
> > that museum piece of my 700 II. I'm not sure what's next, but maybe the
> > Dragon or the 1000 ZXL after I fix it.
> >
> > You know, and this is a friendly advice: you got the bug from this
> wonderful
> > list and you start buying decks like crazy. At the end, you find
yourself
> > with a lot of goodies with no time to use them all or to have them in a
> > proper place. Last year, before I moved to California, I did an
> inventory...
> > Well, I discovered 52 pieces of audio gear between decks, integrates,
> > speakers ... some of them still sealed in the new boxes.  I calculated
> about
> > $35,000 in all.
> >
> > Now, you see how I have to priced them in order to sell it. But I'm
happy
> > because I know they wil have a new home with other Nak brothers.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sándor István" <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> >
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > > if you are interested to send any gear to Hungary, please let me know
> > (about
> > > the P&P fees also).
> > > I hope you are going to keep on Nakking after this all sale-off...do
> you?
> > >
> > > Others:
> > > please help me to convince him not to give up all the Naks... :-)
> > > István
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > >
> > >
> > > > By the way, all the machines would include a new Maxima BASF Tape
with
> a
> > > > recording done in the deck itself . As you may know, these sales are
> > final
> > > > cause I don't want my wife to get pissed off at me again with all
> these
> > > gear
> > > > around.
> > > >
> > > > Other things will be for sale soon at special prices too.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:04 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Minh:
> > > > >
> > > > > If one of the first 3 changed their mind, I'll let you have one.
> > > > >
> > > > > By the way: these MR's were the last series to be produced with
the
> > gear
> > > > > mod.
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:42 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Carlos;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please sell me one. I am living in Chicago area. Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely;
> > > > > > Mithao
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
<naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> > > > > > >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition
> > > MR-2's
> > > > > > >remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I
don't
> > want
> > >
> > > > to
> > > > > > >loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who
> needs
> > > it,
> > > > > > >well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around
15.00).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Just let me know ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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From britri at comcast.net  Sat Jan  3 19:50:05 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 10:50:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 250/ADS
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From sbioa1 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  4 17:39:13 2004
From: sbioa1 at hotmail.com (jojo mac)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 11:39:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
Message-ID: <BAY7-F54XocYsmzrYfk00007bfa@hotmail.com>

Thanks Ron for your help!

I don't think this baby's goin to a shop any time soon so I'll have to see 
what I can do myself.
Was just wondering then were would someone buy an idler tire, like an 
electronics repair shop or something?  About actually changing the piece I 
found some instructions on the net, but is there any chance you know were I 
can find pictures (they always help :p).  Oh and just wondering does the 
unit have 2 of these parts or is it just one?
These things never come with service manuals do they, always separate ;p

The CR-7 is cranky my questions appear crankier, blah.... thanks!

>From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
>Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:47:29 -0500
>
>Your CR-7 probably still has the rubber idler tire -- it's a
>60 cent part that's reasonably easy to replace. Replacing the
>tire plus giving the deck a well deserved cleaning/lubrication
>is an hour or so job. This is within the capability of many
>hobbyists. If it requires recalibration (you did say it never
>received any service since bought?) expect to pay $150 or so
>for the whole job -- it requires expensive gauges and tools
>that most of us do not own.
>
>You could also go for broke and have the idler assembly
>replaced with the gear modification -- far more expensive,
>but will never require service.
>
>-- Ron
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Jan  4 18:45:36 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:45:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
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The idler tire is available from  MCM Electronics on the web. P/N and 
detailed
instructions were posted several times. See if you can find these on the 
Naks.com
archives. Or did anyone here save the information and can email it to 
you? I can
probably dig it up myself, but it will take some doing.

The unit has one tire. MCM Electronics sells 5 (or 10, I am not sure), 
minimum.
That's OK -- you will want to replace it every 2 or 3 years (average usage).

-- Ron



jojo mac wrote:

> Thanks Ron for your help!
>
> I don't think this baby's goin to a shop any time soon so I'll have to 
> see what I can do myself.
> Was just wondering then were would someone buy an idler tire, like an 
> electronics repair shop or something?  About actually changing the 
> piece I found some instructions on the net, but is there any chance 
> you know were I can find pictures (they always help :p).  Oh and just 
> wondering does the unit have 2 of these parts or is it just one?
> These things never come with service manuals do they, always separate ;p
>
> The CR-7 is cranky my questions appear crankier, blah.... thanks!
>
>> From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
>> Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>> <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
>> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:47:29 -0500
>>
>> Your CR-7 probably still has the rubber idler tire -- it's a
>> 60 cent part that's reasonably easy to replace. Replacing the
>> tire plus giving the deck a well deserved cleaning/lubrication
>> is an hour or so job. This is within the capability of many
>> hobbyists. If it requires recalibration (you did say it never
>> received any service since bought?) expect to pay $150 or so
>> for the whole job -- it requires expensive gauges and tools
>> that most of us do not own.
>>
>> You could also go for broke and have the idler assembly
>> replaced with the gear modification -- far more expensive,
>> but will never require service.
>>
>> -- Ron
>





From BADANTH at aol.com  Sun Jan  4 20:26:37 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:26:37 EST
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
Message-ID: <fb.4d520521.2d29c2ed@aol.com>

Here is some old info, hope it helps...

Vladimir,
 
I went through the idler issue several months ago.  I inquired about the gear 
modification and learned that the part is $75, plus a new motor that is 
required for the job that runs about $55.  The labor was going to be a lot on top 
of that and I was reluctant to try the job myself once I saw the instructions.  
So I bought several idler tires from http://mcm.newark.com.  The part number 
is 32-5665 and it will cost $0.56, which is a lot less than $75+55.  I 
replaced the idler tire in one of my BXs in about 20 minutes.  I was being 
cautious--next time it will probably take less than.  You can get the instructions from 
www.eslabs.com.  If you want to go the gear modification route, another 
alternative that has been recommended here (but which I have not done myself) is to 
get an old CR-1 or 2 and take the gear drive from it.  It is a later 
generation transport that incorporates the same gear drive.  But apparently the gear 
drive for the reels is compatible with the BX and MR decks. You can get a 
CR-1 on ebay any week of the year for around $50 and after you swap the mechanisms 
you have a spare deck.  Incidentally, when my idler went bad, the fast forward 
and rewind stopped working altogether and in play mode there was a lot of 
scraping noise.  But the tape did not slow down.  So I doubt that your slowing 
problem is caused by the idler.  The idler drives the reel hubs, not the capstan, 
so it does not affect tape speed.  Good luck
 
Tad


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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sun Jan  4 21:37:59 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:37:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
Message-ID: <132015c132069c.132069c132015c@vsnl.net>

All is fine about this replacement issue excepting that you have to be extremely careful about the plastic part which holds the idler wheel. It can break unless you support the idler wheel at the back with your finger and replace the plastic washer gently. I actually thougt of series of Photos to show the critical issues for replacement but could never get time to dod it!
kannan
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t which I have not done myself) is to get=A0an old CR-1 or 2 and take the ge=
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan  5 02:20:46 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:20:46 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
References: <BAY7-F54XocYsmzrYfk00007bfa@hotmail.com>
	<3FF85140.3040201@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <002901c3d32a$2631f040$4d773242@coqui.net>

Talking about parts; I need the belt for a Nak 500. Anybody knows ?

Thanks,

Carlos

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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help


> 
> The idler tire is available from  MCM Electronics on the web. P/N and... 





From RTLehe at aol.com  Mon Jan  5 02:35:30 2004
From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:35:30 EST
Subject: [naktalk] another pb response question
Message-ID: <2b.4e3222ee.2d2a1962@aol.com>

Hello naksperts,

Do the CR-3 and DR-2 have a playback reponse curve like that of the CR-1 and 
DR-3, which is close to the newer standard, or does it, like the older 3-head 
Naks, have a playback response curve that conforms to the older, original 
standard?  I have found that my CR-1 and DR-3 playback my tapes make on non-nak 
decks more accurately than my BX-300, so I am wondering if a CR-3 would provide 
the advantages of 3-heads and dual capstans (not to mention the gear idler) 
with the same more satisfactory (for my needs) pb response like the CR-1.  
Thanks in advance for any help on this issue.

Tad
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Mon Jan  5 09:29:53 2004
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:29:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] another pb response question
References: <2b.4e3222ee.2d2a1962@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c3d366$23957c30$9e3cbbd4@colossus>

RTLehe at aol.com wrote:
>> Hello naksperts,
>>
>> Do the CR-3 and DR-2 have a playback reponse curve like that of the
>> CR-1 and DR-3, which is close to the newer standard, or does it,
>> like the older 3-head Naks, have a playback response curve that
>> conforms to the older, original standard?

It's more important to know the brand and model of the tape the
specificdeck is trimmed. My TransTec dealer has placed a sticker on the
rear with that kind of info. My LX-5 for example is aligned on TDK-SA
and the switches are: 1. SX  2. 70uS
You can set this control options to the kind of music you like: eg.
classical  music needs more dynamic room, but it's at the exepence of
the distortion in the higher frequencies. For synthesizers/pop/beat/rock
ect. on chrome tape: use SX/120uS


SX types are Nak SX, TDK SA, SA-X, Maxell XL-IIS, Fuji FX-II, BASF CrO2
Super 2
ZX types are NAk ZX, TDK MA, MA-R Fuji Metal
EX types are NAk EX, EX-II, TGK AD, OD, Maxell UD, XL-IS, Fuji FX-1,
BASF LH Super


>> my CR-1 and DR-3 playback my tapes make on non-nak decks more
accurately
>> than my BX-300

Making tapes on a Nak and playbacking on non NAK's is another parameter
you can't fully control.
You have three average types of NAK, but for new recordings you can set
the control so they sounds right on the non NAK machines.
A three head machine is better for recording music. The record has has
much smaller gap than the reproduce head.


Maurits




From cfiverson at fuse.net  Sun Jan  4 23:38:14 2004
From: cfiverson at fuse.net (Clare Fazackerley Iverson)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:38:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 questions
Message-ID: <001601c3d313$70ac8660$0602a8c0@WorkGroup>

Greetings to all,
When my LX-3 died last year, I was left adrift in the cassette world.  Recently acquired a 480 to tide me over, and it seems like a nice deck.  

However, I have had a case of audio lust for a 600 lately.  It was the first serious deck I encountered, when a (richer) friend bought one new in college.  The looks are different enough to be cool, and it is available in silver (after many years, I have tired of the Darth Vader look of black stereos).  My interest would in be using it to record CDs and records, with occasional use recording musical performances by my kids (at home, not on location).  Obviously, I am looking for Nak sound, but my goal for a deck is reliability.

In checking the archives here and searching in the web, I have not seen many discussions on the 600 and the key elements of owning one.  Have too many gone to the cassette graveyard, or did they never make the mark as true Naks?  Are there any tips or tricks to be aware of in assessing a 600 before a possible purchase?  Are the heads and transport reliable enough that a good 600 should remain reliable and sound, or do they tend to be fussy/tweaky?

Thanks for the information,
Jim Iverson
New to the list, but a Nak owner since 1984
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From sbioa1 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  5 21:40:40 2004
From: sbioa1 at hotmail.com (jojo mac)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:40:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 is cranky - pls help
Message-ID: <BAY7-F611xxWn9R6mJB00000f94@hotmail.com>

Thanks for everyone's help with my problem (:

When I get the chance, soon I hope, I will see what I can do!
Hope this solves the units problem, but if i were to put it in quick terms I 
would say, "the motors lack the strength to work/drive and they stall d;" 
since it was suggested there is a possibility that not be the prob.
You know were I'll be if I mess something up heh (:

thx again!

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From jay at benach.com  Tue Jan  6 06:54:33 2004
From: jay at benach.com (Jay)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:54:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 auto-level setting vs.manual setting
Message-ID: <34322453.1073350473@[192.168.1.100]>

According to the ReVox B215 instructions, if setting record levels 
manually, it says to set peak level for Type II cassettes at +4. 
Obviously, I wait for the loudest/most intense part of the song and set 
that level for +4.

However, the B215 also has an auto-level feature.  If I use this feature 
(and hold it in from 10 seconds before the loudest part thru 10 seconds 
after), it auto sets the peak level to +0, not +4.  Yes, I am using the 
same exact same blank cassette that has been calibrated with the Align 
function.  And yes, I am comparing using the same source music.

Questions:
1.  If the deck knows the blank cassette is Type II, why doesn't auto level 
set for peak = +4?

2.  Even if the auto-level wants to allow for user error or unforseen peaks 
in the music, isn't 4db headroom too much?

3.  Aren't I sacrificing dynamic range by setting my levels too low?

4.  How am I supposed to know what the "right" way to make a recording is 
if the deck auto sets to one thing but conventional wisdom says Type II 
tapes set for +4?  Even my Nak RX-505 manual says to set Type II for +5 
peak on the Nak meter.

5.  To those ReVox B215 owners who are reading this, what do you guys do?

Thanks

--Jay
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jan  6 09:41:59 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:59 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] Rackmount Dragon!
Message-ID: <6674.212.78.179.234.1073378519.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi All!
Anyone seen one of these before?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3070079844&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1

I heared there were reckmount versions but never seen one!

Wouter


From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  6 11:02:59 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:02:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 auto-level setting vs.manual setting
Message-ID: <BAY9-F9B4B0aOWQGIyv0004e8b6@hotmail.com>

I don't ever use the auto-level setting. I wasn't even aware of the problem 
you describe below.

George

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From: Jay <jay at benach.com>
Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 auto-level setting vs.manual setting
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:54:33 -0500

According to the ReVox B215 instructions, if setting record levels manually, 
it says to set peak level for Type II cassettes at +4. Obviously, I wait for 
the loudest/most intense part of the song and set that level for +4.

However, the B215 also has an auto-level feature.  If I use this feature 
(and hold it in from 10 seconds before the loudest part thru 10 seconds 
after), it auto sets the peak level to +0, not +4.  Yes, I am using the same 
exact same blank cassette that has been calibrated with the Align function.  
And yes, I am comparing using the same source music.

Questions:
1.  If the deck knows the blank cassette is Type II, why doesn't auto level 
set for peak = +4?

2.  Even if the auto-level wants to allow for user error or unforseen peaks 
in the music, isn't 4db headroom too much?

3.  Aren't I sacrificing dynamic range by setting my levels too low?

4.  How am I supposed to know what the "right" way to make a recording is if 
the deck auto sets to one thing but conventional wisdom says Type II tapes 
set for +4?  Even my Nak RX-505 manual says to set Type II for +5 peak on 
the Nak meter.

5.  To those ReVox B215 owners who are reading this, what do you guys do?

Thanks

--Jay
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jan  6 16:20:17 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:20:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] Server will be down a few days
Message-ID: <16287.212.78.179.234.1073402417.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

I have to move the server tonight and a supporting server to a new location.
This is unplanned but someone terminated a contract with the hosting company.
The only 'problem' is that the server will be down and i'll have to change
the DNS, so i think in a few days everything will be bach to normal when
the new DNS entries will be available world-wide.

Wouter



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Jan  6 18:15:59 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:15:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 auto-level setting vs.manual setting
In-Reply-To: <34322453.1073350473@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <34322453.1073350473@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <3FFAED4F.20902@rcn.com>


I do not use the B215, so take the following as general advice.

Do not fret. There is no exactly correct recording level. The
level to set is a trade off between distortion and noise. There
is a wide gray area (wider than 4db) in which the level may be
considered 'correct', depending on the recording engineer's
needs/preferences.

As to your particular deck, there are several possibilities.
The deck could be miscalibrated. Or the meter circuit could be
miscalibrated. Or the fellow that wrote the instructions
figured that it was OK to adjust a bit higher manually,
presumably because the recordist knows what he is doing better
than the dumb automatic circuit. Or someone at ReVox made a
mistake, those many years ago, and nobody thought it was
worthwhile to fix, if they ever actually discovered the bug...

I am sure that the deck can be calibrated to automatically set
the level at +4 db, if it's important to you. Is it?

-- Ron


Jay wrote:

> According to the ReVox B215 instructions, if setting record levels 
> manually, it says to set peak level for Type II cassettes at +4. 
>  Obviously, I wait for the loudest/most intense part of the song and set 
> that level for +4.
> 
> However, the B215 also has an auto-level feature.  If I use this feature 
> (and hold it in from 10 seconds before the loudest part thru 10 seconds 
> after), it auto sets the peak level to +0, not +4.  Yes, I am using the 
> same exact same blank cassette that has been calibrated with the Align 
> function.  And yes, I am comparing using the same source music.
> 
> Questions:
> 1.  If the deck knows the blank cassette is Type II, why doesn't auto 
> level set for peak = +4?
> 
> 2.  Even if the auto-level wants to allow for user error or unforseen 
> peaks in the music, isn't 4db headroom too much?
> 
> 3.  Aren't I sacrificing dynamic range by setting my levels too low?
> 
> 4.  How am I supposed to know what the "right" way to make a recording 
> is if the deck auto sets to one thing but conventional wisdom says Type 
> II tapes set for +4?  Even my Nak RX-505 manual says to set Type II for 
> +5 peak on the Nak meter.
> 
> 5.  To those ReVox B215 owners who are reading this, what do you guys do?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --Jay





From twhite35 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 19:56:17 2004
From: twhite35 at yahoo.com (Tony White)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:56:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] car deck questions, 1000TD / TDK MA-XG
Message-ID: <20040106185617.68403.qmail@web60306.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have experience with the 1000TD?  Is it still available new for sale somewhere in the world, preferably with an English language manual?  I ask because it is on the website, but not available in the U.S.
 
Has anyone had good or bad luck trying to use TDK MA-XG (eg, with the heavy shell) in the TD 500/700 or 1000TD car decks?  
 
Is the manual for the TD 500/700 available on line somewhere?
 
Thanks in advance for any info.




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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 20:36:33 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:36:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] car deck questions, 1000TD / TDK MA-XG
In-Reply-To: <20040106185617.68403.qmail@web60306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040106193633.12858.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>

I have used the MAR, MAG and MAXG tapes on my TD-500
with no trouble what so ever.  The loading mechanism
on the TD-500/700 is motor driven and geared down so
it can easily handle a tape weighing many times more
than even MA-R tapes.

I have a PDF of the TD-500/700 manual at home.  I can
email it to you tonight.  Wouter should have a copy
too, because, I sent it to him.

Scott J.


--- Tony White <twhite35 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have experience with the 1000TD?  Is it
> still available new for sale somewhere in the world,
> preferably with an English language manual?  I ask
> because it is on the website, but not available in
> the U.S.
>  
> Has anyone had good or bad luck trying to use TDK
> MA-XG (eg, with the heavy shell) in the TD 500/700
> or 1000TD car decks?  
>  
> Is the manual for the TD 500/700 available on line
> somewhere?
>  
> Thanks in advance for any info.
> 
> 
> 
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From sed2500 at netzero.net  Wed Jan  7 02:33:24 2004
From: sed2500 at netzero.net (sed2500 at netzero.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:33:24 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300  -  No Output
Message-ID: <20040106.173350.11279.1683992@webmail02.lax.untd.com>


I bought a used BX 300 recently. It would not fast forward, rewind or go into play mode, so I changed the idler tire, which solved that problem. However when I try playing a tape, the transport works but  there is no output or any movement from the meters. I cleaned the heads a number of times but it does not help. Any one has any idea what might be wrong?

Sed


From p9019 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  9 03:59:18 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:59:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300  -  No Output
In-Reply-To: <20040106.173350.11279.1683992@webmail02.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20040109025918.30321.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com>

Did you make sure the monitor switch: (Tape/Source) is
set to Tape.

One of the drawbacks of having a 3 head tape deck,
but, Well Worth the added trouble.

Scott J.

--- sed2500 at netzero.net wrote:
> 
> I bought a used BX 300 recently. It would not fast
> forward, rewind or go into play mode, so I changed
> the idler tire, which solved that problem. However
> when I try playing a tape, the transport works but 
> there is no output or any movement from the meters.
> I cleaned the heads a number of times but it does
> not help. Any one has any idea what might be wrong?
> 
> Sed
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From RTLehe at aol.com  Fri Jan  9 15:31:07 2004
From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:31:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300  -  No Output
Message-ID: <0E7EDB15.2F720312.0004E774@aol.com>

Have you made sure the tape monitor switch (on the top right corner of the from panel) is in the right position?

Tad


From thsinclair at localdial.com  Wed Jan  7 01:14:40 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:14:40 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Rackmount Dragon!
References: <6674.212.78.179.234.1073378519.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <000e01c3d4b3$40913b00$b48ee2c3@fredporter>

Had heard of them, but never seen one!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:41 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Rackmount Dragon!


> Hi All!
> Anyone seen one of these before?
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3070079844&sspagename=ADM
E%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1
>
> I heared there were reckmount versions but never seen one!
>
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Sat Jan 10 02:18:07 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:18:07 EST
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 680 zx  calibration tone signal less than 0 dB
Message-ID: <9f.426e3e07.2d30accf@aol.com>

Hi Fellow Nakamichi Fans!    Hope everyone is fine. I have a nakamichi 680zx 
that records perfect!! you cant tell the difference between source and 
recorded sound. The auto calibration works great i.e the blue play button light glows 
steady after blinking for a few seconds as the manual says. The problem is 
that when you switch to 400hz rec cal mode and switch the monitor to source the  
400 hz tone can be heard through my headphones loud and clear in both channel 
but the vu meter dont read  0 db as the manual says it should , the left 
channel show  a few bars lower than -1 db and the right vu bars also one step 
below -1 db, but when you record on the tape and switch to tape and adjust the 
left/right small rec cal scres below the vu meters marked l/r  zx, sx, and lx the 
vu can be brought to 0 db   although there is a small amount of flickering of 
the bars around 0 db the level pretty much stays there and recording is 
perfect!  My question is that does anyone know how to bring the 400 hz tone to 0 db 
level when you switch to rec calibration mode and the monitor swith to 
source, ie, the reference 400 hz before recording to show 0 db on the  meters.  Also 
if some nice soul has a page from the service manual that deal with this it 
will be greatly appreciated .  I think it just a matter of turning the right 
potentiometer that will bring the level to 0db reference point but I dont know 
which one it is!!  Your kind help will again be much appreciated!! THANKS!!

sikander
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 10 07:29:16 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:29:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 680 zx calibration tone signal less than 0 dB
In-Reply-To: <9f.426e3e07.2d30accf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040110062916.28711.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>

I have the service manual for the 660zx and in the
calibration procedure it has a couple lines for
adjusting the test tone level and meter level.  It
will require a VTVM or other high impedance True RMS
AC voltage meter to do correctly.

Contact me directly and I can email you some scans. 
Again I have the 660zx service manual and not the
680zx manual, but, I suspect they are very close since
the two look very similar except for the Fluorescent
VU meters on the 680zx and analog VU meters on the
660zx.

Scott J.

--- BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi Fellow Nakamichi Fans!    Hope everyone is fine.
> I have a nakamichi 680zx 
> that records perfect!! you cant tell the difference
> between source and 
> recorded sound. The auto calibration works great i.e
> the blue play button light glows 
> steady after blinking for a few seconds as the
> manual says. The problem is 
> that when you switch to 400hz rec cal mode and
> switch the monitor to source the  
> 400 hz tone can be heard through my headphones loud
> and clear in both channel 
> but the vu meter dont read  0 db as the manual says
> it should , the left 
> channel show  a few bars lower than -1 db and the
> right vu bars also one step 
> below -1 db, but when you record on the tape and
> switch to tape and adjust the 
> left/right small rec cal scres below the vu meters
> marked l/r  zx, sx, and lx the 
> vu can be brought to 0 db   although there is a
> small amount of flickering of 
> the bars around 0 db the level pretty much stays
> there and recording is 
> perfect!  My question is that does anyone know how
> to bring the 400 hz tone to 0 db 
> level when you switch to rec calibration mode and
> the monitor swith to 
> source, ie, the reference 400 hz before recording to
> show 0 db on the  meters.  Also 
> if some nice soul has a page from the service manual
> that deal with this it 
> will be greatly appreciated .  I think it just a
> matter of turning the right 
> potentiometer that will bring the level to 0db
> reference point but I dont know 
> which one it is!!  Your kind help will again be much
> appreciated!! THANKS!!
> 
> sikander
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 11 02:28:41 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:28:41 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
Message-ID: <Sea2-F65QdxtkDkd7MK00039ffc@hotmail.com>


Hi,

My computer's HDD crashed recently and I am looking for the freeware Deja-Vu 
viewer download that was recommended on Naktalk sometime ago. Can't seem to 
find it on the search engine, so I hope someone here can point me to the 
right link for the download? Some of my Nak files were in Deja-vu picture 
format and I hope to be able to access them again! Thanks!

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From bfvasil at comcast.net  Sun Jan 11 02:48:06 2004
From: bfvasil at comcast.net (Bruno Vasil)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:48:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F65QdxtkDkd7MK00039ffc@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea2-F65QdxtkDkd7MK00039ffc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <336A8E51-43D8-11D8-875D-000A278D0B4E@comcast.net>

I think you are looking for DjVu ..try this link for the plug-in:

http://www.lizardtech.com/download/dl_options.php?page=popular

-Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474

******************************
On Jan 10, 2004, at 8:28 PM, winnie pooh wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> My computer's HDD crashed recently and I am looking for the freeware 
> Deja-Vu viewer download that was recommended on Naktalk sometime ago. 
> Can't seem to find it on the search engine, so I hope someone here can 
> point me to the right link for the download? Some of my Nak files were 
> in Deja-vu picture format and I hope to be able to access them again! 
> Thanks!
>



From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 11 08:28:49 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:28:49 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
Message-ID: <Sea2-F40i8M19VMczi90001a50d@hotmail.com>


Bruno, you're a star! Yes, that is what I am looking for, no wonder it 
didn't show up on the search engines :-) LOL! Thanks very much!

>From: Bruno Vasil <bfvasil at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:48:06 -0500
>
>I think you are looking for DjVu ..try this link for the plug-in:
>
>http://www.lizardtech.com/download/dl_options.php?page=popular
>
>-Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474

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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Sun Jan 11 14:10:00 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:10:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
References: <Sea2-F40i8M19VMczi90001a50d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002001c3d844$37d9c420$dc1c0cd0@r7g1f8>

What is LOL ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "winnie pooh" <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer


>
> Bruno, you're a star! Yes, that is what I am looking for, no wonder it
> didn't show up on the search engines :-) LOL! Thanks very much!
>
> >From: Bruno Vasil <bfvasil at comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
> >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:48:06 -0500
> >
> >I think you are looking for DjVu ..try this link for the plug-in:
> >
> >http://www.lizardtech.com/download/dl_options.php?page=popular
> >
> >-Bruno, Arlington, Mass. 02474
>
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 11 15:08:56 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (Winnie Pooh)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:08:56 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
References: <Sea2-F40i8M19VMczi90001a50d@hotmail.com>
	<002001c3d844$37d9c420$dc1c0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <Sea2-DAV67RGryWtIIZ0001e3de@hotmail.com>

Sorry, abbreviation for Laughing Out Loud (LOL)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Babin/Greseth" <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer


> What is LOL ?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "winnie pooh" <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
> 
> 
> >
> > Bruno, you're a star! Yes, that is what I am looking for, no wonder it
> > didn't show up on the search engines :-) LOL! Thanks very much!


From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Jan 11 17:24:27 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:24:27 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] 700 t t
Message-ID: <000901c3d85f$62656210$e96e4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
i have just joined the group.
notced from the previous postings several q's about faulty naks, have just obtained a 700 tritracer which wouldnt record on one chanel,
the fault was the connectors on the plug in daughter boards on the main pcb,the monitor switch was inermittant too this benefitted from a light spraying of wd40,**DO NOT**  spray anywhere near the mechanism\belts etc.
phillr
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Jan 11 18:32:24 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:32:24 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 t t
In-Reply-To: <000901c3d85f$62656210$e96e4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <000901c3d85f$62656210$e96e4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <400188A8.7090901@rcn.com>

Hi, P R, welcome to the list.

I wouldn't spray switch contacts with WD-40. There are
contact cleaners, with and without lubricant, made
specifically for the job. WD-40 leaves a residue. It
tends to accumulate pollutants and eventually gum up
the switch.

-- Ron


p r wrote:

> hi
> i have just joined the group.
> notced from the previous postings several q's about faulty naks, have 
> just obtained a 700 tritracer which wouldnt record on one chanel,
> the fault was the connectors on the plug in daughter boards on the main 
> pcb,the monitor switch was inermittant too this benefitted from a light 
> spraying of wd40,**DO NOT** spray anywhere near the mechanism\belts etc.
> phillr
> 
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Mon Jan 12 01:16:33 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:16:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
References: <Sea2-F40i8M19VMczi90001a50d@hotmail.com><002001c3d844$37d9c420$dc1c0cd0@r7g1f8>
	<Sea2-DAV67RGryWtIIZ0001e3de@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c3d8a1$55f8aa40$871c0cd0@r7g1f8>

Cudda fooled me...I thought it was Little old Lady...HA HA HA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Winnie Pooh" <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer


> Sorry, abbreviation for Laughing Out Loud (LOL)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Babin/Greseth" <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
>
>
> > What is LOL ?
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "winnie pooh" <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deja-Vu viewer
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Bruno, you're a star! Yes, that is what I am looking for, no wonder it
> > > didn't show up on the search engines :-) LOL! Thanks very much!
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Jan 12 04:09:31 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:09:31 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] 700 t t
References: <000901c3d85f$62656210$e96e4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
	<400188A8.7090901@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3d8b9$7f85cb50$c39e4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
thanks for advice,
if anyone wants info on the 700 i have a service manual for it, also some of
the 80s technics cd players

phillr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 t t


> Hi, P R, welcome to the list.
>
> I wouldn't spray switch contacts with WD-40. There are
> contact cleaners, with and without lubricant, made
> specifically for the job. WD-40 leaves a residue. It
> tends to accumulate pollutants and eventually gum up
> the switch.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> p r wrote:
>
> > hi
> > i have just joined the group.
> > notced from the previous postings several q's about faulty naks, have
> > just obtained a 700 tritracer which wouldnt record on one chanel,
> > the fault was the connectors on the plug in daughter boards on the main
> > pcb,the monitor switch was inermittant too this benefitted from a light
> > spraying of wd40,**DO NOT** spray anywhere near the mechanism\belts etc.
> > phillr
> >
> >
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From lynnzzz at comcast.net  Mon Jan 12 23:28:42 2004
From: lynnzzz at comcast.net (Mark Lynn)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:28:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 or Dragon Best For Playback
Message-ID: <005901c3d95b$6f6ef5a0$85667d18@VALUEDB8142DE8>

 I've used the CR7  a fair amount of times when converting cassetes to DAT and CD and loved the manual azimuith feature. I'm thinking about picking up a later model Dragon but see that it has auto azimuith. If I want a deck strictly for playback of Cassettes made on various types of decks for transfering purposes would I be better off with the CR7 or Dragon? Feedback on the auto azimuith feature? Curious as to how that works? If you have any thoughts feel free to e-mail me personaly at lynnzzz at comcast 

Thanks,
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From ti at amb.org  Tue Jan 13 00:11:12 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:11:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 or Dragon Best For Playback
In-Reply-To: <005901c3d95b$6f6ef5a0$85667d18@VALUEDB8142DE8> from "Mark Lynn"
	at Jan 12, 2004 05:28:42 PM
Message-ID: <200401122311.XAA18882@amb.org>

Mark Lynn writes:
>  I've used the CR7  a fair amount of times when converting cassetes to =
> DAT and CD and loved the manual azimuith feature. I'm thinking about =
> picking up a later model Dragon but see that it has auto azimuith. If I =
> want a deck strictly for playback of Cassettes made on various types of =
> decks for transfering purposes would I be better off with the CR7 or =
> Dragon? Feedback on the auto azimuith feature? Curious as to how that =
> works? If you have any thoughts feel free to e-mail me personaly at =
> lynnzzz at comcast=20

Definitely Dragon!  The auto-azimuth cannot be beat.

-Ti
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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Tue Jan 13 00:57:11 2004
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:57:11 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 or Dragon Best For Playback
In-Reply-To: <005901c3d95b$6f6ef5a0$85667d18@VALUEDB8142DE8>
References: <005901c3d95b$6f6ef5a0$85667d18@VALUEDB8142DE8>
Message-ID: <09EF89E3-455B-11D8-81E5-000A9595EFBA@netvigator.com>

You cannot go wrong with the convenience of the NAAC system.  All I  
need do it pop in any tape and it sounds like it is supposed to sound.   
I have tapes made on many different decks and you can clearly hear what  
it was meant to sound like.  It is esp useful when you want to dub from  
analog to a digital source because the sound will be consistent.  You  
won't need to sample and adjust manually when you playback like on a  
CR-7.  Both decks are excellent but just for the convenience and owning  
a unique machine, the Dragon is up there.

I've had one for a while and it has done me no wrong, touch wood.

Adam

On 13 Jan 04, at 6:28 AM, Mark Lynn wrote:

>  I've used the CR7  a fair amount of times when converting cassetes to  
> DAT and CD and loved the manual azimuith feature. I'm thinking about  
> picking up a later model Dragon but see that it has auto azimuith. If  
> I want a deck strictly for playback of Cassettes made on various types  
> of decks for transfering purposes would I be better off with the CR7  
> or Dragon? Feedback on the auto azimuith feature? Curious as to how  
> that works? If you have any thoughts feel free to e-mail me personaly  
> atlynnzzz at comcast
>  
> Thanks,
> mark lynn
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 13 05:26:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlitos Jr.)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:26:37 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape and SALE
References: <005901c3d95b$6f6ef5a0$85667d18@VALUEDB8142DE8>
Message-ID: <004401c3d98d$851d1e40$c9773242@coqui.net>

Hello Fellows:

My mastering is almost ready. Unfortunately the monitor I use for the mastering computer arrived in 2 pieces. Anyway, the room, acoustics and system is almost ready for the Marathon Tape sesions. It'll be distribute on CDR's. Only cost would be covered. So, be ready, coming soon !

On other things: I'm still selling most of my gear at very, very low prices. The 3 MR 2's are gone but my wife still un-happy,so, here's some other things:

Nakamichi 500    good        $35.00 !!!!

Nakamichi NR-200 dolby B & C noise reduction unit. Nice !
$ highly desirable and rare,so, make an offer ...($200.00)

The last high quality deck ever made: The Denon DN-790 R
Professional model with dolby B,C & S 19" rack with RCA and XLR connectors !!!!!    year 2000 model. Retail: $800.00
asking: $200.00 (WOW!)

An almost new Carver TX-10 Tuner $100.00

Look this: A rare mono pair of Behringer parametric equalizers PEQ-305 $1,200 new. In excellent condition. 1/4" and XLR connectors. Excellent sound. Not many around.
$500 the pair !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jolida Tube Integrated 202 in box and never used: $295.00

Adcom 5 channel home theater beast: 5 x 100w : $250.00 like new. I think I have the original box ...

Revox PR-99 MK II: Playback excellent but sometimes doesn't record on one channel. AS IS: $150.00 !!!!!!!

Revox B-77 MK II: Needs repair. AS IS: $75.00 !!!!!!!

Technics SU-V8 High Power Vintage Integrated: $100.00 110w x 2 Very strong antique.

Like New: Carver 1090 integrated with beautiful analog meters 100w x 2. Excelent shape: $200.00

That's all folks. Any reasonable offer would be accepted, but they are all at reasonable prices already ...

Carlos
The Tape Man


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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 03:30:12 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:30:12 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape and SALE
Message-ID: <169.289fb4cb.2d34b234@aol.com>



••••••••••••• Original Message •••••••••••••

Hello Fellows:

My mastering is almost ready. Unfortunately the monitor I use for the 
mastering computer arrived in 2 pieces. Anyway, the room, acoustics and system is 
almost ready for the Marathon Tape sesions. It'll be distribute on CDR's. Only 
cost would be covered. So, be ready, coming soon !

On other things: I'm still selling most of my gear at very, very low prices. 
The 3 MR 2's are gone but my wife still un-happy,so, here's some other things:

Nakamichi 500    good        $35.00 !!!!

Nakamichi NR-200 dolby B & C noise reduction unit. Nice !
$ highly desirable and rare,so, make an offer ...($200.00)

The last high quality deck ever made: The Denon DN-790 R
Professional model with dolby B,C & S 19" rack with RCA and XLR connectors 
!!!!!    year 2000 model. Retail: $800.00
asking: $200.00 (WOW!)

An almost new Carver TX-10 Tuner $100.00

Look this: A rare mono pair of Behringer parametric equalizers PEQ-305 $1,200 
new. In excellent condition. 1/4" and XLR connectors. Excellent sound. Not 
many around.
$500 the pair !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jolida Tube Integrated 202 in box and never used: $295.00

Adcom 5 channel home theater beast: 5 x 100w : $250.00 like new. I think I 
have the original box ...

Revox PR-99 MK II: Playback excellent but sometimes doesn't record on one 
channel. AS IS: $150.00 !!!!!!!

Revox B-77 MK II: Needs repair. AS IS: $75.00 !!!!!!!

Technics SU-V8 High Power Vintage Integrated: $100.00 110w x 2 Very strong 
antique.

Like New: Carver 1090 integrated with beautiful analog meters 100w x 2. 
Excelent shape: $200.00

That's all folks. Any reasonable offer would be accepted, but they are all at 
reasonable prices already ...

Carlos
The Tape Man




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 CARLOS!  HOPE YOU ARE FINE!  I AM INTERESTED  IN THE REVOX PR 99 mK 11  can  
send me a picture of it?!  is it in good condition cosmetic wise?  is the 
manual , reels and  10.5 " hub adapters included and how many tracks it has and 
lastly how many speeds and the condition of the motors and the heads.  Would 
you kindly take $100 for it , I might consider it, I might have to get it fixed 
the bad channel.  Also was thinking of buying one of those revox b 710 or 
never cassette deck if you have one .Thanks for your consideration!

With Best Regards!
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From alan.olan at ing.com.au  Wed Jan 14 00:54:45 2004
From: alan.olan at ing.com.au (alan.olan at ing.com.au)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:54:45 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] LX3 grinding noise when stopping
Message-ID: <CA256E1A.008347E7.00@ingsydhog2.mercantilemutual.com.au>



Hi to all members,

I just picked up an LX3 from a dealer but when I got it home the tape produces
this grinding noise when its stopping.  The deck works fine in every other
respects.  The dealer told me that this is usual on Nakamichi deck and he would
be able to lessen the noise but not totally eliminate it.  Is this true, I would
have thought that this would not have been acceptable as it is quite loud and to
me it seems like a defect.

I would really appreciate some advice from other nakamichi owners who have more
experience than I have.  This is my first nakamichi deck and not familiar with
what could go wrong with this machine.  I'm in Sydney so experts on these units
are hard to come by.

Cheers
Regards
Alan

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 14 12:29:06 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:29:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Home Audio Owners Club of Japan site
Message-ID: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

I got in touch (again) with Shigeki Kono and asked him what happened to
his removed Nakamichi Home Audio Owners Club of Japan site ..
Well apparently he's renewing it and made it available again!
You can find it here:

http://nakamichi.dyndns.org/

Enjoy!

Wouter



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 16:41:02 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:41:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] LX3 grinding noise when stopping
In-Reply-To: <CA256E1A.008347E7.00@ingsydhog2.mercantilemutual.com.au>
Message-ID: <20040114154102.19262.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com>

It sounds like you need a little grease on the cam. 
Open it up and there should be a large white odd
shaped disc that rotates when you change mode
(play-stop-rr...etc.)  There is an arm that rides on
the cam.  I believe this is where the noise is coming
from and the original grease has dried up.  You want
something thick that will stay on like lithium grease
or molytone.  Never use WD-40 and don't get any grease
or oil on the belts.

Scott J.




--- alan.olan at ing.com.au wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi to all members,
> 
> I just picked up an LX3 from a dealer but when I got
> it home the tape produces
> this grinding noise when its stopping.  The deck
> works fine in every other
> respects.  The dealer told me that this is usual on
> Nakamichi deck and he would
> be able to lessen the noise but not totally
> eliminate it.  Is this true, I would
> have thought that this would not have been
> acceptable as it is quite loud and to
> me it seems like a defect.
> 
> I would really appreciate some advice from other
> nakamichi owners who have more
> experience than I have.  This is my first nakamichi
> deck and not familiar with
> what could go wrong with this machine.  I'm in
> Sydney so experts on these units
> are hard to come by.
> 
> Cheers
> Regards
> Alan
> 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jan 14 19:33:07 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:33:07 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SP 7 spare ear cushions- Anybody knows where can one get
	it?
Message-ID: <1b10b7e1b0c85a.1b0c85a1b10b7e@vsnl.net>

Hi
Can anybody help me get a spare Nak Headphone SP-7' ear cushions ? Any shop or any internet site or anyother headphone cushions that will fit this Headphones?
thanks in advance to all the responses
Did you guys notice 1000ZXL gold limited edition deck on ebay?
kannan



From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Jan 15 02:16:27 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:16:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SP 7 spare ear cushions- Anybody knows where can one
	get it?
In-Reply-To: <1b10b7e1b0c85a.1b0c85a1b10b7e@vsnl.net>
References: <1b10b7e1b0c85a.1b0c85a1b10b7e@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <716BFF36-46F8-11D8-8DBC-000A95E862C6@snet.net>

I believe that Radio Shack actually sells a pair of cushions that prove  
to be a perfect fit.

Ed

On Jan 14, 2004, at 1:33 PM, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:

> Hi
> Can anybody help me get a spare Nak Headphone SP-7' ear cushions ? Any  
> shop or any internet site or anyother headphone cushions that will fit  
> this Headphones?
> thanks in advance to all the responses
> Did you guys notice 1000ZXL gold limited edition deck on ebay?
> kannan
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From imemine2 at att.net  Thu Jan 15 01:58:06 2004
From: imemine2 at att.net (J Chojnowski)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:58:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SP 7 spare ear cushions- Anybody knows where can one 
	getit?
References: <1b10b7e1b0c85a.1b0c85a1b10b7e@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <4005E59E.2DF93EB9@att.net>

Hi kannan
I don't know if this is going to help you where you are but Raido Shack
part # 33-379 is a perfect fit for $2.99 US. Maybe we could buy them
here in the states and ship them to you

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=33-379

joe C


kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
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> Hi
> Can anybody help me get a spare Nak Headphone SP-7' ear cushions ? Any shop or any internet site or anyother headphone cushions that will fit this Headphones?
> thanks in advance to all the responses
> Did you guys notice 1000ZXL gold limited edition deck on ebay?
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From hardouin at intnet.mu  Thu Jan 15 12:35:36 2004
From: hardouin at intnet.mu (Christian Hardouin)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:35:36 +0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re Nakamichi Tape Deck 700 mark 1   -TD700 1
Message-ID: <001901c3db5b$b200a740$0101a8c0@darwin>

Hi everbody,

Happy New Year to you all.I am looking for spares re the TD 700 mark 1 ,anybody could give me a help to find a link or an online shop for these spares may it be in the sates or in Japan.
Thanks and Regards
Christian
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 15 12:39:03 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:39:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscopes
Message-ID: <4800.212.78.179.234.1074166743.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

Anyone has one of these to calibrate their Nak(s)?
I'm thinking of looking for a cheap second hand one that's can do the job.
Any suggestions of brand/type and pricing?

Wouter


From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Jan 15 12:46:34 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:46:34 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re Nakamichi Tape Deck 700 mark 1   -TD700 1
References: <001901c3db5b$b200a740$0101a8c0@darwin>
Message-ID: <001801c3db5d$39ab6080$e0ba4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
theres a seller on ebay! with a set of belts,search  and quite a few come up
phill
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:35 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re Nakamichi Tape Deck 700 mark 1 -TD700 1


  Hi everbody,
   
  Happy New Year to you all.I am looking for spares re the TD 700 mark 1 ,anybody could give me a help to find a link or an online shop for these spares may it be in the sates or in Japan.
  Thanks and Regards
  Christian


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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 15 15:47:31 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:47:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re Nakamichi Tape Deck 700 mark 1 -TD700 1
Message-ID: <BAY2-F4BBoW5xtAeSGX00004c25@hotmail.com>

Contact:

Melissa at NakUSA.com

She ships worldwide.

Just received two capstan belts for my 505.


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>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re Nakamichi Tape Deck 700 mark 1   -TD700 1
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:46:34 -0000
>
>hi
>theres a seller on ebay! with a set of belts,search  and quite a few come 
>up
>phill
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>   To: naktalk at naks.com
>   Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:35 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Re Nakamichi Tape Deck 700 mark 1 -TD700 1
>
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>   Hi everbody,
>
>   Happy New Year to you all.I am looking for spares re the TD 700 mark 1 
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 16:14:59 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:14:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscopes
In-Reply-To: <4800.212.78.179.234.1074166743.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20040115151459.99542.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a couple oscilloscopes, but, I just use the Nak
t-100 Audio Analyzer for doing calibration.  The 100
segment bar graph meters make calibration sooo easy.

Only if there's a problem that needs to be tracked
down do I hook up the scope.

SJ
--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Anyone has one of these to calibrate their Nak(s)?
> I'm thinking of looking for a cheap second hand one
> that's can do the job.
> Any suggestions of brand/type and pricing?
> 
> Wouter
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Jan 15 16:53:56 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:53:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscopes
Message-ID: <1c46f071c46697.1c466971c46f07@vsnl.net>

I find Fluke 87 ( or 87 III) to be a wonderful meter to calibrate very accurately - bias and level signals. However if you want to troubleshoot or check bias Oscillator at 105 Khz, use either an oscillloscope - any 5 Mhz one available vey cheap on ebay would do or an old widebandwidth Vacuum tube voltmeter( generally you can pick up working one at ebay for 20- 50$ range. However I found Fluke Graphical Multimeter( 863 or 867) is very useful in this regard provided you can spend few hundred dollars on any used meter or any of their scopemeters if you want a real scope in your pocket!
One of the very important parameter in recording using AC bias oscillator is the waveform purity and an Oscilloscope would help you observe it.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:14 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Oscilloscopes

> I have a couple oscilloscopes, but, I just use the Nak
> t-100 Audio Analyzer for doing calibration.  The 100
> segment bar graph meters make calibration sooo easy.
> 
> Only if there's a problem that needs to be tracked
> down do I hook up the scope.
> 
> SJ
> --- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Anyone has one of these to calibrate their Nak(s)?
> > I'm thinking of looking for a cheap second hand one
> > that's can do the job.
> > Any suggestions of brand/type and pricing?
> > 
> > Wouter
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From mraven at ilse.nl  Thu Jan 15 17:14:33 2004
From: mraven at ilse.nl (mraven at ilse.nl)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:14:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscopes
In-Reply-To: <4800.212.78.179.234.1074166743.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <4800.212.78.179.234.1074166743.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <MTAuMTEuMTAuODItNDAwNmJjNjkxYTNiZA==1074183273_mraven@ilse.nl>

> Hi All,
> 
> Anyone has one of these to calibrate their Nak(s)?
> I'm thinking of looking for a cheap second hand one that's can do the
> job. Any suggestions of brand/type and pricing?
> 


I use this kind of equipment for several years on a regular base. For audio
purposes you can use any type.  If U want to measure small signals < 50 mV
use a good probe/screened cables and use earth the object under test.
2nd hand dumpstores are widely spreaded all over the globe. Old army scopes
from Tek for example are cheap. In the Netherlands you can shop a lot
places maybe the nearest to yout place is Quakkelstein, Vlaardingen, in
the Rotterdam area.
They have a huge numbers of scopes for sales. In the shop the ordinary low
prices equipment, but on special request they have another building nearby
with the special products. Folks from the UK come specially to their shop!
But off course ebay .de or other 2ndhand place has scopes too.



Maurits (just a customer)





From jazzao at primus.com.au  Fri Jan 16 23:00:46 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:00:46 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody dealt with Stephen Sank Lately?
Message-ID: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>

Hi to all from downunder,

Has anybody been in touch with Stephen Sank lately?  I have tried 
sending him a few emails  but have not had a reply back.  I'm going to 
travel to the US mid year and planning to get a Nak which I wanted to 
get serviced by Stephen Sank but have not heard from him.

I've got a budget of about $500US for the unit.  Any thoughts of which 
model would I find in good condition that may go at this price, looking 
to use primarily for recording as I already have an LX3 for playback.

Cheers
Alan



From enoyes at snet.net  Sat Jan 17 01:11:56 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:11:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody dealt with Stephen Sank Lately?
In-Reply-To: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>
References: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <40087DCC.8090604@snet.net>

Hi Alan,

I spoke to him on the phone a couple of weeks ago. Stephen is alive and 
well, well... sounds like he still continues to work himself to death. 
One thing remains the same though, he is a great tech and well worth 
looking up.

Ed

Alan Olan wrote:

> Hi to all from downunder,
>
> Has anybody been in touch with Stephen Sank lately?  I have tried 
> sending him a few emails  but have not had a reply back.  I'm going to 
> travel to the US mid year and planning to get a Nak which I wanted to 
> get serviced by Stephen Sank but have not heard from him.
>
> I've got a budget of about $500US for the unit.  Any thoughts of which 
> model would I find in good condition that may go at this price, 
> looking to use primarily for recording as I already have an LX3 for 
> playback.
>
> Cheers
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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Sat Jan 17 02:37:30 2004
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:37:30 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody dealt with Stephen Sank Lately?
In-Reply-To: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>
References: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <B6CA4BD4-488D-11D8-AC9A-000A9595EFBA@netvigator.com>

Hi Alan,

I'm dealing with Stephen right now.  He's done an excellent job with  
the deck I sent him.  Excellent engineer and excellent service.

Check out his website for his contact details -  
http://www.stephensank.com

Enjoy,
Adam


On 17 Jan 04, at 6:00 AM, Alan Olan wrote:

Hi to all from downunder,

Has anybody been in touch with Stephen Sank lately?  I have tried  
sending him a few emails  but have not had a reply back.  I'm going to  
travel to the US mid year and planning to get a Nak which I wanted to  
get serviced by Stephen Sank but have not heard from him.

I've got a budget of about $500US for the unit.  Any thoughts of which  
model would I find in good condition that may go at this price, looking  
to use primarily for recording as I already have an LX3 for playback.

Cheers
Alan

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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Sat Jan 17 08:36:20 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:36:20 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody dealt with Stephen Sank Lately?
In-Reply-To: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <002e01c3dccc$9a3353c0$1e01000a@c994264f>

He just signed from FedEx a Dragon of mine that needs repair on its
auto-reverse.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Olan
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 2:01 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody dealt with Stephen Sank Lately?


 
Hi to all from downunder,

Has anybody been in touch with Stephen Sank lately?  I have tried 
sending him a few emails  but have not had a reply back.  I'm going to 
travel to the US mid year and planning to get a Nak which I wanted to 
get serviced by Stephen Sank but have not heard from him.

I've got a budget of about $500US for the unit.  Any thoughts of which 
model would I find in good condition that may go at this price, looking 
to use primarily for recording as I already have an LX3 for playback.

Cheers
Alan

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From vferdman at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 02:40:20 2004
From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:40:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Calibrations using oscilloscope
In-Reply-To: <200401161100.i0GB0Eju005908@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20040118014020.4046.qmail@web61107.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, all.  A few days ago a thread about using oscilloscopes to calibrate tape decks came up.  I
have a scope and would like to try to calibrate my MR-1.  How and what can I calibrate using a
scope?  Please assume I know how to use the scope and am familiar with basic electrical
engineering concepts.

Thank you all in advance,
Vladimir

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 18 07:05:29 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:05:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes
References: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>
	<B6CA4BD4-488D-11D8-AC9A-000A9595EFBA@netvigator.com>
Message-ID: <003701c3dd89$318650d0$5d773242@CopyTech>

Ladies & the Gentlemen:

Both Masters, Marathon Tape Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 are finally ready for
duplication and distribution. Both has 10 selections and everybody was
included. It is a piece of art thanks to the wonderful selections the
participants made.

The tracks are not in the same order as the tapes due to logical reasons.
Each volume has a little under 50 minutes. The label has been designed too.

After hearing it for the first time in my main system, I simply said :
"Wow".
I know you'll like it and perhaps your neighbor too.

Please remember that we can not duplicate these project outside of this
circle, neither sell it as it is a copyright material. Unfortunately, we
have to pay for the cost of getting this project to each one of you who want
a copy. Mastering, CDR, Priority Mail, Duplication, labeling & jewel boxes.
We have to be sure that this set do not turns into an underground "High End"
disc or something like that. This is only for our enjoyment . I confide in
your judgment and ethics.

The copies will be made in one of my Microboards Duplication Towers direct
from the original stampers. The tapes were recorded without noise reduction
and even some original recording defects are there to improve the value. ON
the other hand, leveling, sequencing and many other material manipulation
was digitally performed on a SADiE Disk Editor. The same one Bob Ludwig use
on some of his projects.

More info later. When I know the cost, I'll tell you. I know is gonna be
about $5.00 each volume. For Europe, Australia and Indonesia shipping would
be higher and the difference would reflects in the cost.

Thanks,

Carlos, The Tape Man



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sun Jan 18 03:37:43 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:37:43 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Calibrations using oscilloscope
Message-ID: <1f1fabe1f1fc69.1f1fc691f1fabe@vsnl.net>

Vladimir
Calibration of Nakamichi requires large number of steps and some steps need the use of wide bandwidth AC voltmeters or VTVM. Since most low cost Dogital multimeter do not show AC voltages above 1 Khz properly, Oscilloscope is useful in such occasions. Sometimes Analog AC millivolt meter with 1MHz bandwidth is better than Oscilloscope to directly check Db gain. So it is a question of substitution in Nak calibration of Meter, playback level and Record bias, level etc. However you can also use Scope for qualitative evaluation of Recorded signal quality at different bias current by observing 15 Khz sine wave at -20dB. Scope also can be used for bias trap adjustment. However you do not require Scope for most of the work if you already posses AC VTVM.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Vladimir Ferdman <vferdman at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:40 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Calibrations using oscilloscope

> Hi, all.  A few days ago a thread about using oscilloscopes to 
> calibrate tape decks came up.  I
> have a scope and would like to try to calibrate my MR-1.  How and 
> what can I calibrate using a
> scope?  Please assume I know how to use the scope and am familiar 
> with basic electrical
> engineering concepts.
> 
> Thank you all in advance,
> Vladimir
> 
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Jan 18 04:33:00 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:33:00 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody dealt with Stephen Sank Lately?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D34E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Alan. You have to be patient with Stephen, he is a very busy man. I
remember when I purchased my RX505 from Stephen he had to build and install
a transformer to suit the Australian 240 volt 50Hz current, I was saving for
months to pay Stephen for the unit, the work he done to it and the delivery
and due to his very busy schedule he could not reply to some of my e-mails.

	So Alan you are not alone, but don't despare he does fantastic work
and is great to talk to over the phone.

	As for what unit you should try to purchase, well if I had a cool
$500 dolars to spend I'd look for a famous CR7 (try get Stephen to do a once
over the unit when you get it - trust me it will be worth it), or a Dragon.
Don't forget to purchase a unit that is suitable for the voltages where you
live.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Olan [mailto:jazzao at primus.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 17 January 2004 9:01 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody dealt with Stephen Sank Lately?


Hi to all from downunder,

Has anybody been in touch with Stephen Sank lately?  I have tried 
sending him a few emails  but have not had a reply back.  I'm going to 
travel to the US mid year and planning to get a Nak which I wanted to 
get serviced by Stephen Sank but have not heard from him.

I've got a budget of about $500US for the unit.  Any thoughts of which 
model would I find in good condition that may go at this price, looking 
to use primarily for recording as I already have an LX3 for playback.

Cheers
Alan

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Jan 18 04:42:42 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:42:42 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscopes
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D34F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I used my oscilliscope to trace the crackling noise in my ZX9 when the dolby
c circuit was activated. The oscilliscope visually showed the signal with
the noise and it was traced to one of those dredded orange cap! Now the
problem is solved.

	I think that anything at or above the 5MHz bandwidth range should
do, and purchase a dual trace version.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2004 10:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscopes


Hi All,

Anyone has one of these to calibrate their Nak(s)?
I'm thinking of looking for a cheap second hand one that's can do the job.
Any suggestions of brand/type and pricing?

Wouter
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Jan 18 07:35:23 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:35:23 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes
References: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>
	<B6CA4BD4-488D-11D8-AC9A-000A9595EFBA@netvigator.com>
	<003701c3dd89$318650d0$5d773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <091f01c3dd91$a20d8fa0$d1299bca@aisha>


Hello El Magnifico.

Somehow I can't post to naktalk since the server was down some time ago.  Yes I'd very much like to have a copy of the compilation and I can assure you that eventhough Indo has been a tape pirate land for ages ... the Marathon Tape would be safe within my house !

Is it a stamped copy ??  I mean not coming from CDR ?  If so I might like to order 2 sets, provided it's not too expensive with shipping and all that, otherwise one set (Vol 1 and 2) would be good enough.  Please let me know total cost of one set sent to my address:

Salim Marzuki
Jl. Indramayu 21
Jakarta Pusat 10310 
Indonesia

Thank you very much for your generous effort on this Marathon project !!!!

Best regards,
Salim SM



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:05 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes


  Ladies & the Gentlemen:

  Both Masters, Marathon Tape Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 are finally ready for
  duplication and distribution. Both has 10 selections and everybody was
  included. It is a piece of art thanks to the wonderful selections the
  participants made.

  The tracks are not in the same order as the tapes due to logical reasons.
  Each volume has a little under 50 minutes. The label has been designed too.

  After hearing it for the first time in my main system, I simply said :
  "Wow".
  I know you'll like it and perhaps your neighbor too.

  Please remember that we can not duplicate these project outside of this
  circle, neither sell it as it is a copyright material. Unfortunately, we
  have to pay for the cost of getting this project to each one of you who want
  a copy. Mastering, CDR, Priority Mail, Duplication, labeling & jewel boxes.
  We have to be sure that this set do not turns into an underground "High End"
  disc or something like that. This is only for our enjoyment . I confide in
  your judgment and ethics.

  The copies will be made in one of my Microboards Duplication Towers direct
  from the original stampers. The tapes were recorded without noise reduction
  and even some original recording defects are there to improve the value. ON
  the other hand, leveling, sequencing and many other material manipulation
  was digitally performed on a SADiE Disk Editor. The same one Bob Ludwig use
  on some of his projects.

  More info later. When I know the cost, I'll tell you. I know is gonna be
  about $5.00 each volume. For Europe, Australia and Indonesia shipping would
  be higher and the difference would reflects in the cost.

  Thanks,

  Carlos, The Tape Man

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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Sat Jan 17 07:28:28 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 06:28:28 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
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From jazzao at primus.com.au  Sun Jan 18 10:59:38 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:59:38 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Thanks to everyone who replied - Stephen has been in touch
Message-ID: <400A590A.7090500@primus.com.au>

Thanks to everyone here who replied.

Stephen has now gotten in touch with me.  The is an apparent server 
problem between my computer and his website.  Now all fixed.

He has provided great comments on which deck I should look out for so 
I'm now hunting for a deck that I could send Stephen's way before I go 
to the US mid year.

Cheers
Alan




From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 18 19:43:18 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:43:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <19036069@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <001c01c3ddf2$f0ee0260$18773242@CopyTech>

Hello Fred:

For Vinyl transcription I have been using an old trusted Linn LP 12. I then
pass it trough a Sutherland pre-pre and direct to my SADIE disk editor.
There are several LP restoration programs for this kind of job. At mastering
levels, these transfers and restorations are expensive and are charge by
minute. Pro programs for restoration are the CEDAR series. Really, really
expensive but with only one pass you got it all: de-clicker, de-popper and
surface noise elimination.

For those who are not looking for something like that, my favorite
restoration software is the Creamware Triple Dat with the Osiris plug in.
The best for its price. Around $1,500 the full set with the XLR balanced
connectors. Little cheaper with RCA's.

Best,

Carlos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


> Hello all,
> I've started recording the mixed tape "american music" for trading I
thought of
> many months ago. Picking through old albums, tapes and CD's has got me
thinking
> about the best way to get vinyl onto tape and disc. Maybe I'm mistaken,
but it
> seems like vinyl playback gear is fading from the market faster than tapes
and,
> of course, records are far less convenient than cassettes for playback.
So, my
> question is this: as a dedicated Nakker, what would you go out and shop
for if
> you wanted to buy a classic turntable set-up that you could use to
transfer your
> vinyl to cassette and not spend an audiophile fortune. I can remember
lusting
> for Luxman and B&) tables as a high-school electronics geek in the early
80's,
> but nowadays the Luxman's are rare and still frighteningly pricey and thhe
B&O's
> just don't seem sturdy enough to last 25 years and still be worth the
premium
> they usually fetch on ebay.
>
> At the risk of straying further off topic, I have a Sony PS-X5 that still
works
> but makes some less-than-encouraging grinding sounds when it moves the
tone-arm
> "automatically". It has a new cheapish ($65 us) Grado circa 1998 needle.
I've
> seen the table on ebay selling for $65 us or so. Could I buy better now
for a
> song?
>
> Fred Lifton
> Portland, OR
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 18 19:44:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:44:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Thanks to everyone who replied - Stephen has been in
	touch
References: <400A590A.7090500@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <002201c3ddf3$0a53c780$18773242@CopyTech>

Stephen himself has a couple of good options in his webpage. Ask him.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Olan" <jazzao at primus.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:59 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Thanks to everyone who replied - Stephen has been in
touch


> Thanks to everyone here who replied.
>
> Stephen has now gotten in touch with me.  The is an apparent server
> problem between my computer and his website.  Now all fixed.
>
> He has provided great comments on which deck I should look out for so
> I'm now hunting for a deck that I could send Stephen's way before I go
> to the US mid year.
>
> Cheers
> Alan
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 18 19:51:15 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:51:15 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <400A590A.7090500@primus.com.au>
	<002201c3ddf3$0a53c780$18773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <003c01c3ddf4$0d945710$18773242@CopyTech>

Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound and
music compilation.

Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.

Carlos



From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Jan 18 16:41:33 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:41:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes
References: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au><B6CA4BD4-488D-11D8-AC9A-000A9595EFBA@netvigator.com>
	<003701c3dd89$318650d0$5d773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <002501c3ddd9$99c19bf0$ae240f9d@johnnyrotten>

Great Carlos, can't wait to hear this!

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:05 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes


Ladies & the Gentlemen:

Both Masters, Marathon Tape Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 are finally ready for
duplication and distribution. Both has 10 selections and everybody was
included. It is a piece of art thanks to the wonderful selections the
participants made.

The tracks are not in the same order as the tapes due to logical reasons.
Each volume has a little under 50 minutes. The label has been designed too.

After hearing it for the first time in my main system, I simply said :
"Wow".
I know you'll like it and perhaps your neighbor too.

Please remember that we can not duplicate these project outside of this
circle, neither sell it as it is a copyright material. Unfortunately, we
have to pay for the cost of getting this project to each one of you who want
a copy. Mastering, CDR, Priority Mail, Duplication, labeling & jewel boxes.
We have to be sure that this set do not turns into an underground "High End"
disc or something like that. This is only for our enjoyment . I confide in
your judgment and ethics.

The copies will be made in one of my Microboards Duplication Towers direct
from the original stampers. The tapes were recorded without noise reduction
and even some original recording defects are there to improve the value. ON
the other hand, leveling, sequencing and many other material manipulation
was digitally performed on a SADiE Disk Editor. The same one Bob Ludwig use
on some of his projects.

More info later. When I know the cost, I'll tell you. I know is gonna be
about $5.00 each volume. For Europe, Australia and Indonesia shipping would
be higher and the difference would reflects in the cost.

Thanks,

Carlos, The Tape Man

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 18 16:54:21 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:54:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
Message-ID: <BAY2-F104OwgZoKnD7z0002f320@hotmail.com>

Carlos:

I hope Cedar is better than No-Noise..... because these type programs 
usually suck the life out of the music...I still listen to 78s....clean 
examples.....as Phil Shaap the jazz guru is fond of saying:  "No-Noise means 
NO MUSIC!

Neil Lipes


>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:43:18 -0800
>
>Hello Fred:
>
>For Vinyl transcription I have been using an old trusted Linn LP 12. I then
>pass it trough a Sutherland pre-pre and direct to my SADIE disk editor.
>There are several LP restoration programs for this kind of job. At 
>mastering
>levels, these transfers and restorations are expensive and are charge by
>minute. Pro programs for restoration are the CEDAR series. Really, really
>expensive but with only one pass you got it all: de-clicker, de-popper and
>surface noise elimination.
>
>For those who are not looking for something like that, my favorite
>restoration software is the Creamware Triple Dat with the Osiris plug in.
>The best for its price. Around $1,500 the full set with the XLR balanced
>connectors. Little cheaper with RCA's.
>
>Best,
>
>Carlos
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:26 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
>
>
> > Hello all,
> > I've started recording the mixed tape "american music" for trading I
>thought of
> > many months ago. Picking through old albums, tapes and CD's has got me
>thinking
> > about the best way to get vinyl onto tape and disc. Maybe I'm mistaken,
>but it
> > seems like vinyl playback gear is fading from the market faster than 
>tapes
>and,
> > of course, records are far less convenient than cassettes for playback.
>So, my
> > question is this: as a dedicated Nakker, what would you go out and shop
>for if
> > you wanted to buy a classic turntable set-up that you could use to
>transfer your
> > vinyl to cassette and not spend an audiophile fortune. I can remember
>lusting
> > for Luxman and B&) tables as a high-school electronics geek in the early
>80's,
> > but nowadays the Luxman's are rare and still frighteningly pricey and 
>thhe
>B&O's
> > just don't seem sturdy enough to last 25 years and still be worth the
>premium
> > they usually fetch on ebay.
> >
> > At the risk of straying further off topic, I have a Sony PS-X5 that 
>still
>works
> > but makes some less-than-encouraging grinding sounds when it moves the
>tone-arm
> > "automatically". It has a new cheapish ($65 us) Grado circa 1998 needle.
>I've
> > seen the table on ebay selling for $65 us or so. Could I buy better now
>for a
> > song?
> >
> > Fred Lifton
> > Portland, OR
> > 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Jan 18 17:35:42 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:35:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
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Message-ID: <000701c3dde1$1dcb51f0$ae240f9d@johnnyrotten>

Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in UK on
this, he must be sleeping.

John T.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound and
music compilation.

Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.

Carlos

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sun Jan 18 18:00:59 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:00:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <1f93eea1f8f44e.1f8f44e1f93eea@vsnl.net>


May be he is in Russia !!!
Thanks Carlos for the marathon project( not just the tape) !!
Waiting to hear those great selections and efforts of this group
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape

> Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' 
> in UK on
> this, he must be sleeping.
> 
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> 
> 
> Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good 
> sound and
> music compilation.
> 
> Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> 
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From zaffel at zonnet.nl  Sun Jan 18 18:09:14 2004
From: zaffel at zonnet.nl (Peter Crusifix)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:09:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Spam mail
Message-ID: <007401c3dde5$ccf23320$24453b51@uw93olv39av2ru>

hello, 

I don't want any mail from naktalk, can you stop it for me???


Greetings, 

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From timbarrett at cox.net  Sun Jan 18 18:27:14 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:27:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3ddf4$0d945710$18773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <400A7BA2.32398.5C2D6F5@localhost>

Although I did not participate in the creation of the Marathon Tape, I 
would truly value having a copy for myself.  Will it be available to those 
of us who watched from the sidelines?
This thing has been a long time in the making!

Tim

> Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound
> and music compilation.
> 
> Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> 
> Carlos
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 18:54:47 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:54:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Spam mail
In-Reply-To: <007401c3dde5$ccf23320$24453b51@uw93olv39av2ru>
Message-ID: <20040118175447.55527.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com>

You can stop it yourself by going to the following
link and changing you mailing list options.

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From msyoder at border.net  Sun Jan 18 20:17:45 2004
From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:17:45 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
Message-ID: <002901c3ddf7$c1a236c0$b2f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu>

If you want to spend around $350 (new, mail order), try the NAD 533
turntable, which is basically  a Rega Planar 2 "clone" and comes with a
Goldring Elektra cartridge.  It'll do the job quite well.  I bought one
about 4-5 years ago and just now upgraded the cartridge to a Shure M97 (I
forgot the exact model number) for about $70, and it's quite stunning.  I
listen to vinyl now about 30% of the time, CDs about 65% of the time, and
cassettes about 5% of the time (most of my cassette usage involves studio
work: recording original music, either live to 2-track stereo, or mixdowns
from 4 or 8 tracks to stereo.)

If you don't want to spend over $275 or so, I believe there's a Thorens
turntable that's supposed to be fairly good.

Hope this helps.

Michael Yoder
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Lifton <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:30 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


>Hello all,
>I've started recording the mixed tape "american music" for trading I
thought of
>many months ago. Picking through old albums, tapes and CD's has got me
thinking
>about the best way to get vinyl onto tape and disc. Maybe I'm mistaken, but
it
>seems like vinyl playback gear is fading from the market faster than tapes
and,
>of course, records are far less convenient than cassettes for playback. So,
my
>question is this: as a dedicated Nakker, what would you go out and shop for
if
>you wanted to buy a classic turntable set-up that you could use to transfer
your
>vinyl to cassette and not spend an audiophile fortune. I can remember
lusting
>for Luxman and B&) tables as a high-school electronics geek in the early
80's,
>but nowadays the Luxman's are rare and still frighteningly pricey and thhe
B&O's
>just don't seem sturdy enough to last 25 years and still be worth the
premium
>they usually fetch on ebay.
>
>At the risk of straying further off topic, I have a Sony PS-X5 that still
works
>but makes some less-than-encouraging grinding sounds when it moves the
tone-arm
>"automatically". It has a new cheapish ($65 us) Grado circa 1998 needle.
I've
>seen the table on ebay selling for $65 us or so. Could I buy better now for
a
>song?
>
>Fred Lifton
>Portland, OR
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Jan 18 20:25:49 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:25:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscopes
In-Reply-To: <4800.212.78.179.234.1074166743.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <4800.212.78.179.234.1074166743.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <400ADDBD.1080705@rcn.com>


'Scope prices vary wildly. Here in the States, you can buy
a used Tektronix 465B for $200 up. I am not sure whether
this is 'cheap' in your book. It's good to 100MHz and is an
excellent 'scope -- a real workhorse.

If you're into vintage electronics (as I am), you can also
buy a primitive Heathkit or EICO 'scope, for $25 to $200.
these were never of professional grade, even when new, but
are a lot of fun to restore.

Personally, I am using an old (really old) Tektronix 545A
'scope. Has more tubes than a tooth paste factory. It's at
least 50 years old and still going. Useful for head alignment
(using Lissajou figures) but mostly, I use it to debug
Digital communications designs.

-- Ron


Wouter Heijke wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Anyone has one of these to calibrate their Nak(s)?
> I'm thinking of looking for a cheap second hand one that's can do the job.
> Any suggestions of brand/type and pricing?
> 
> Wouter





From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jan 18 19:13:22 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:13:22 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody dealt with Stephen Sank Lately?
In-Reply-To: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <005901c3ddee$c20b9600$29a94e51@oemcomputer>

He's not replied to any of mine for months ... I'm beginning to get a
complex ...

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alan Olan
> Sent: 16 January 2004 22:01
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Anybody dealt with Stephen Sank Lately?
>
>
> Hi to all from downunder,
>
> Has anybody been in touch with Stephen Sank lately?  I have tried
> sending him a few emails  but have not had a reply back.  I'm going to
> travel to the US mid year and planning to get a Nak which I wanted to
> get serviced by Stephen Sank but have not heard from him.
>
> I've got a budget of about $500US for the unit.  Any thoughts of which
> model would I find in good condition that may go at this price, looking
> to use primarily for recording as I already have an LX3 for playback.
>
> Cheers
> Alan
>
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 23:41:19 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:41:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscopes
In-Reply-To: <400ADDBD.1080705@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <20040118224119.9533.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com>

I said it before.  For calibration I use the Nakamichi
T-100 and it is all you need in addition to a set of
calibration tapes.  It has several features that
really set it apart from an oscilloscope, for
calibration anyway.  For general troubleshooting the
scope will win out.  

T-100 Features:
Dual 100 segment VU meters with slow delay and 0.3dB
resolution. (they do an excellent job of filtering out
tape surface noise when aligning the head azimuth
which is typically done with a 15 kHz test tape.)

Built in low distortion oscillator.  21 fixed
frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 kHz plus pink noise. 
Distortion at 400Hz is 30 times lower for accurate THD
measurements.

Speed and Wow & flutter meter.  To be used in
conjunction with 3kHz speed/wow&flutter test tape. 
+/- 3% measurement range with 0.06% resolution.

Distortion meter.  Meter range 0.01 - 3.0%  to be used
with built-in 400Hz very low distortion oscillator.

Standard VU meter mode with -80dBv to +30dBv range in
three ranges.  0.3dB per step resolution.  This in
conjunction with the 21 built frequency oscillator is
great from doing a frequency response plot.  The best
thing is the meter reads out directly in dB.  No need
to convert the peak to peak reading from a scope into
RMS and then into dB, which would be hard pressed to
give 0.3dB resolution.

As far as scopes go the Tektronix 465B as well as the
465, 465A, 475, 475a & 485 are great scopes, but, FAR
too much scope for doing just audio work.  I have two
of the Tektronix 305 scopes, 5MHz, dual trace (in
addition to several other larger Tek scopes).  It's a
little AC or battery powered guy with built-in DMM
too.  It's only 10 lbs too.  I see them selling on
eBay for under $100.  The last one I bought was only
$56 with a really nice case.  Of course the batteries
are usually dead, but, they can easily be repacked
with new cells.

Scott J.

--- Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com> wrote:
> 
> 'Scope prices vary wildly. Here in the States, you
> can buy
> a used Tektronix 465B for $200 up. I am not sure
> whether
> this is 'cheap' in your book. It's good to 100MHz
> and is an
> excellent 'scope -- a real workhorse.
> 
> If you're into vintage electronics (as I am), you
> can also
> buy a primitive Heathkit or EICO 'scope, for $25 to
> $200.
> these were never of professional grade, even when
> new, but
> are a lot of fun to restore.
> 
> Personally, I am using an old (really old) Tektronix
> 545A
> 'scope. Has more tubes than a tooth paste factory.
> It's at
> least 50 years old and still going. Useful for head
> alignment
> (using Lissajou figures) but mostly, I use it to
> debug
> Digital communications designs.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> Wouter Heijke wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Anyone has one of these to calibrate their Nak(s)?
> > I'm thinking of looking for a cheap second hand
> one that's can do the job.
> > Any suggestions of brand/type and pricing?
> > 
> > Wouter
> 
> 
> 
> 


From kjbleus at charter.net  Mon Jan 19 00:12:51 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:12:51 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project Update
Message-ID: <002f01c3de18$986ae6f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Magnífico noticias!!!

Carlos, your description of what you plan for final  production of the Marathon Tape Project  sounds superb.

I'm delighted that you believe that we will have two volumes at just less than 50 minutes each, since this allows many Nak Marathoners to also have the option to transpose the compact disc version of the project to a single 100 minute cassette.   This will  allow us to listen to the music compilation as it was recorded, in analog format, on our beloved Nakamichi cassette decks.  Indeed, with the final results sounding as good as described, we'll have a treasure for the ages.  

When you have the final play listing, get that info to me and I'll update the Marathon Tape Project webpages.

Regards,


K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA



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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:05:29 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <003701c3dd89$318650d0$5d773242 at CopyTech>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Ladies & the Gentlemen:

Both Masters, Marathon Tape Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 are finally ready for
duplication and distribution. Both has 10 selections and everybody was
included. It is a piece of art thanks to the wonderful selections the
participants made.

The tracks are not in the same order as the tapes due to logical reasons.
Each volume has a little under 50 minutes. The label has been designed too.

After hearing it for the first time in my main system, I simply said :
"Wow".
I know you'll like it and perhaps your neighbor too.

Please remember that we can not duplicate these project outside of this
circle, neither sell it as it is a copyright material. Unfortunately, we
have to pay for the cost of getting this project to each one of you who want
a copy. Mastering, CDR, Priority Mail, Duplication, labeling & jewel boxes.
We have to be sure that this set do not turns into an underground "High End"
disc or something like that. This is only for our enjoyment . I confide in
your judgment and ethics.

The copies will be made in one of my Microboards Duplication Towers direct
from the original stampers. The tapes were recorded without noise reduction
and even some original recording defects are there to improve the value. ON
the other hand, leveling, sequencing and many other material manipulation
was digitally performed on a SADiE Disk Editor. The same one Bob Ludwig use
on some of his projects.

More info later. When I know the cost, I'll tell you. I know is gonna be
about $5.00 each volume. For Europe, Australia and Indonesia shipping would
be higher and the difference would reflects in the cost.

Thanks,

Carlos, The Tape Man


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jan 19 00:28:49 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:28:49 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
In-Reply-To: <1f93eea1f8f44e.1f8f44e1f93eea@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000701c3de1a$d393ca60$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>

Sorry guys ... I may have a Russian wife but I feel, like a fish out of
water in Moscow.  No way Jose do I want to visit again.  May be visit St
Petersberg ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 18 January 2004 17:01
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
>
> May be he is in Russia !!!
> Thanks Carlos for the marathon project( not just the tape) !!
> Waiting to hear those great selections and efforts of this group
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
> > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra'
> > in UK on
> > this, he must be sleeping.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good
> > sound and
> > music compilation.
> >
> > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> >
> > Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 06:11:12 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:12 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <BAY2-F104OwgZoKnD7z0002f320@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c3de4a$a89b6bd0$3a773242@CopyTech>

"No Noise" is a plug-in for Sonic Solution. In un-expert hands it could do
more harm than good. Anyway, Cedar is superior but as I said before: way
expensive.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


> Carlos:
>
> I hope Cedar is better than No-Noise..... because these type programs
> usually suck the life out of the music...I still listen to 78s....clean
> examples.....as Phil Shaap the jazz guru is fond of saying:  "No-Noise
means
> NO MUSIC!
>
> Neil Lipes
>
>
> >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
> >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:43:18 -0800
> >
> >Hello Fred:
> >
> >For Vinyl transcription I have been using an old trusted Linn LP 12. I
then
> >pass it trough a Sutherland pre-pre and direct to my SADIE disk editor.
> >There are several LP restoration programs for this kind of job. At
> >mastering
> >levels, these transfers and restorations are expensive and are charge by
> >minute. Pro programs for restoration are the CEDAR series. Really, really
> >expensive but with only one pass you got it all: de-clicker, de-popper
and
> >surface noise elimination.
> >
> >For those who are not looking for something like that, my favorite
> >restoration software is the Creamware Triple Dat with the Osiris plug in.
> >The best for its price. Around $1,500 the full set with the XLR balanced
> >connectors. Little cheaper with RCA's.
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >Carlos
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:26 PM
> >Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
> >
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > > I've started recording the mixed tape "american music" for trading I
> >thought of
> > > many months ago. Picking through old albums, tapes and CD's has got me
> >thinking
> > > about the best way to get vinyl onto tape and disc. Maybe I'm
mistaken,
> >but it
> > > seems like vinyl playback gear is fading from the market faster than
> >tapes
> >and,
> > > of course, records are far less convenient than cassettes for
playback.
> >So, my
> > > question is this: as a dedicated Nakker, what would you go out and
shop
> >for if
> > > you wanted to buy a classic turntable set-up that you could use to
> >transfer your
> > > vinyl to cassette and not spend an audiophile fortune. I can remember
> >lusting
> > > for Luxman and B&) tables as a high-school electronics geek in the
early
> >80's,
> > > but nowadays the Luxman's are rare and still frighteningly pricey and
> >thhe
> >B&O's
> > > just don't seem sturdy enough to last 25 years and still be worth the
> >premium
> > > they usually fetch on ebay.
> > >
> > > At the risk of straying further off topic, I have a Sony PS-X5 that
> >still
> >works
> > > but makes some less-than-encouraging grinding sounds when it moves the
> >tone-arm
> > > "automatically". It has a new cheapish ($65 us) Grado circa 1998
needle.
> >I've
> > > seen the table on ebay selling for $65 us or so. Could I buy better
now
> >for a
> > > song?
> > >
> > > Fred Lifton
> > > Portland, OR
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 06:11:41 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <400A590A.7090500@primus.com.au><002201c3ddf3$0a53c780$18773242@CopyTech><003c01c3ddf4$0d945710$18773242@CopyTech>
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I need to know how many sets we are doing.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in UK
on
> this, he must be sleeping.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound and
> music compilation.
>
> Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
>
> Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 06:12:07 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:12:07 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <1f93eea1f8f44e.1f8f44e1f93eea@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c3de4a$c9c80160$3a773242@CopyTech>

I'm sure you'll like the results.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


>
> May be he is in Russia !!!
> Thanks Carlos for the marathon project( not just the tape) !!
> Waiting to hear those great selections and efforts of this group
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
> > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra'
> > in UK on
> > this, he must be sleeping.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good
> > sound and
> > music compilation.
> >
> > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> >
> > Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 06:13:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:13:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <400A7BA2.32398.5C2D6F5@localhost>
Message-ID: <002601c3de4a$ec553860$3a773242@CopyTech>

Sure Tim. As long as you are a member of this forum, you can have a set. You
wouldn't regret it.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <timbarrett at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Although I did not participate in the creation of the Marathon Tape, I
> would truly value having a copy for myself.  Will it be available to those
> of us who watched from the sidelines?
> This thing has been a long time in the making!
>
> Tim
>
> > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound
> > and music compilation.
> >
> > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 06:18:17 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:18:17 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <000701c3de1a$d393ca60$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004f01c3de4b$a6f392c0$3a773242@CopyTech>

Wait until you hear your selection ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Sorry guys ... I may have a Russian wife but I feel, like a fish out of
> water in Moscow.  No way Jose do I want to visit again.  May be visit St
> Petersberg ...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > Sent: 18 January 2004 17:01
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> >
> > May be he is in Russia !!!
> > Thanks Carlos for the marathon project( not just the tape) !!
> > Waiting to hear those great selections and efforts of this group
> > kannan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 am
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> > > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra'
> > > in UK on
> > > this, he must be sleeping.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good
> > > sound and
> > > music compilation.
> > >
> > > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> > >
> > > Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 06:23:34 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:23:34 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution
References: <000701c3de1a$d393ca60$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <005301c3de4c$634171e0$3a773242@CopyTech>

OK guys. All of you interested in receiving a set with a numbered
authentication certificate must start sending your addresses to me off-list.
The sooner, the better. I'm happy with the results, I mean, considering that
the source came out of a cassette tape recorded in so many different decks
around the world ... we have accomplished a wonderful thing.

I have noticed that some of the contributors are no longer in the list.
Hopefully they answer soon.

As Bleus said; you can then transfer it to your cassette media. I did a
back-up copy on an open reel.

Regards,

Carlos



From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Jan 19 02:38:51 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:38:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <400A590A.7090500@primus.com.au><002201c3ddf3$0a53c780$18773242@CopyTech><003c01c3ddf4$0d945710$18773242@CopyTech><000701c3dde1$1dcb51f0$ae240f9d@johnnyrotten>
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Message-ID: <008701c3de2d$01a019b0$bc6623c8@g8nsv>

Count me in too Carlos!!!!

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> I need to know how many sets we are doing.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in UK
> on
> > this, he must be sleeping.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound and
> > music compilation.
> >
> > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 07:28:47 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:28:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Credits
References: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <005d01c3de55$7fd3cfc0$3a773242@CopyTech>

Fellows:

Since the project was part of all us, I just want to give credit to those
persons who made it possible:

First of all: Wouter for having this wonderful list where we have made
friends the world over.

Mr. Bleus: the friend who has always be in contact with me everywhere I go
and the originator of the Marathon Tape page at his domain.

All of the contributors who took their time and effort to share their music
with others.

Gra Nelson: the guy in charge of the tape # 2 in Europe.

Also, and just some information for you to taste a little bit in advance ...

Mr. Ron Hoffman was honored with the opening of Volume # 1 with his terrific
selection and sound. Tom from Australia, closed it.

Nick, from Moscow-Russia, opened Vol. 2.

If we like the results, we should do a new project for this new year, with
some changes of course ...

I'm doing the same with some Revox friends: The Revox Files. Hopefully it'll
come out as good as this one.

Best,

Carlos aka The Tape Man



From kjbleus at charter.net  Mon Jan 19 03:59:24 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:59:24 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <003201c3de38$3e842b90$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Well, we have this list of Marathoners posted on the website:

USA, Canada & Caribbean: 15 recordings confirmed

Europe, Afrika & Southeast Asia: 11 recordings confirmed

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html


Maybe a minimum of thirty sets will be needed, and most likely some lurkers will also delight to an opportunity to have the music too :-}}

How many additional NakTalkers are interested in purchasing the Marathon Tape Project discs?

My thoughts - Its likely the names and their recordings on the webpages are not listed chronologically accurate.  We'll need to compare the final results to what we have on the webpages, and then do some updates.  Carlos, can you make any comparisons from the webpages with what you have mastered on the discs?


Regards,

Bleus


------------------------------

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:41 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <001301c3de4a$ba0a9df0$3a773242 at CopyTech>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I need to know how many sets we are doing.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in UK
on
> this, he must be sleeping.
>
> John T.

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Jan 19 04:08:36 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:08:36 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D352@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Count me in Carlos.

	Your pal Tom from Aus.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 4:12 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


I need to know how many sets we are doing.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in UK
on
> this, he must be sleeping.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound and
> music compilation.
>
> Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
>
> Carlos
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From rob755 at cwnet.com  Mon Jan 19 04:36:13 2004
From: rob755 at cwnet.com (Rob Hamilton)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:36:13 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D352@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <005a01c3de3d$75e3f1b0$c88a5142@robertr6ldtnz6>

  Hello Carlos! Thanks so much for your efforts! I'm in! Best Regards, Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Count me in Carlos.
>
> Your pal Tom from Aus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 4:12
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> I need to know how many sets we are doing.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in UK
> on
> > this, he must be sleeping.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound and
> > music compilation.
> >
> > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
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From richard.simpson at airways.co.nz  Mon Jan 19 05:20:55 2004
From: richard.simpson at airways.co.nz (Simpson, Richard)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:20:55 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <04Jan19.052215nzdt.326417@netgate.airways.co.nz>

Since becoming a subscriber to NakTalk several months ago I've been
following the evolution of the Marathon Tape Project with increasing
interest.

I can't stand it anymore! Any chance of getting a copy also???

 

I may only own a humble DR-3 and live in NZ but music is music!

 

Regards

 

Richard Simpson ( = lurker)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: KJ Bleus [mailto:kjbleus at charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 3:59 p.m.
To: naktalk at naks.com
Cc: KJ Bleus; Magnifico
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape

 

Well, we have this list of Marathoners posted on the website:

 

USA, Canada & Caribbean: 15 recordings confirmed

 

Europe, Afrika & Southeast Asia: 11 recordings confirmed

 

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

 

 

Maybe a minimum of thirty sets will be needed, and most likely some
lurkers will also delight to an opportunity to have the music too :-}}

 

How many additional NakTalkers are interested in purchasing the Marathon
Tape Project discs?

 

My thoughts - Its likely the names and their recordings on the webpages
are not listed chronologically accurate.  We'll need to compare the
final results to what we have on the webpages, and then do some updates.
Carlos, can you make any comparisons from the webpages with what you
have mastered on the discs?

 

 

Regards,

 

Bleus

 

 

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:41 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <001301c3de4a$ba0a9df0$3a773242 at CopyTech>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I need to know how many sets we are doing.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in
UK
on
> this, he must be sleeping.
>
> John T.

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 09:38:10 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:38:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <04Jan19.052215nzdt.326417@netgate.airways.co.nz>
Message-ID: <004a01c3de67$925704c0$2a773242@CopyTech>

Sure, Richard. Just send me your address off-list and I'll keep you posted.

Regards,

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Simpson, Richard 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:20 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


  Since becoming a subscriber to NakTalk several months ago I've been following the evolution of the Marathon Tape Project with increasing interest.

  I can't stand it anymore! Any chance of getting a copy also???



  I may only own a humble DR-3 and live in NZ but music is music!



  Regards



  Richard Simpson ( = lurker)



  -----Original Message-----
  From: KJ Bleus [mailto:kjbleus at charter.net] 
  Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 3:59 p.m.
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Cc: KJ Bleus; Magnifico
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape



  Well, we have this list of Marathoners posted on the website:



  USA, Canada & Caribbean: 15 recordings confirmed



  Europe, Afrika & Southeast Asia: 11 recordings confirmed



  http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html





  Maybe a minimum of thirty sets will be needed, and most likely some lurkers will also delight to an opportunity to have the music too :-}}



  How many additional NakTalkers are interested in purchasing the Marathon Tape Project discs?



  My thoughts - Its likely the names and their recordings on the webpages are not listed chronologically accurate.  We'll need to compare the final results to what we have on the webpages, and then do some updates.  Carlos, can you make any comparisons from the webpages with what you have mastered on the discs?





  Regards,



  Bleus





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  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:41 -0800
  From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Message-ID: <001301c3de4a$ba0a9df0$3a773242 at CopyTech>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  I need to know how many sets we are doing.

  Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


  > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in UK
  on
  > this, he must be sleeping.
  >
  > John T.

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Jan 19 08:32:30 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:32:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <2031120202bb14.202bb142031120@vsnl.net>

Yes Carlos you have to include my name and I will be mailing my address tomorrow
kannan


----- Original Message -----
From: Isy Fidelman <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape

> Count me in too Carlos!!!!
> 
> Isy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> 
> 
> > I need to know how many sets we are doing.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from 
> Gra' in UK
> > on
> > > this, he must be sleeping.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good 
> sound and
> > > music compilation.
> > >
> > > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 19 08:46:46 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:46:46 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <Sea2-F16moKv0CRrDcD000220dc@hotmail.com>


Hi Carlos,

I am also interested in getting the final version of the Marathon tape 
project. I originally expressed interest to join but the timing of the 
project coincided with my moving halfway across the world from England to 
Malaysia so I didn't confirm in the end. However, now that the opportunity 
has presented itself, I would love to get my hands on the CD's! Thanks!

Kelvin.

>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:38:10 -0800
>
>Sure, Richard. Just send me your address off-list and I'll keep you posted.
>
>Regards,
>
>Carlos
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Simpson, Richard
>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>   Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:20 PM
>   Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
>   Since becoming a subscriber to NakTalk several months ago I've been 
>following the evolution of the Marathon Tape Project with increasing 
>interest.
>
>   I can't stand it anymore! Any chance of getting a copy also???
>
>
>
>   I may only own a humble DR-3 and live in NZ but music is music!
>
>
>
>   Regards
>
>
>
>   Richard Simpson ( = lurker)
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: KJ Bleus [mailto:kjbleus at charter.net]
>   Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 3:59 p.m.
>   To: naktalk at naks.com
>   Cc: KJ Bleus; Magnifico
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
>
>   Well, we have this list of Marathoners posted on the website:
>
>
>
>   USA, Canada & Caribbean: 15 recordings confirmed
>
>
>
>   Europe, Afrika & Southeast Asia: 11 recordings confirmed
>
>
>
>   http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html
>
>
>
>
>
>   Maybe a minimum of thirty sets will be needed, and most likely some 
>lurkers will also delight to an opportunity to have the music too :-}}
>
>
>
>   How many additional NakTalkers are interested in purchasing the Marathon 
>Tape Project discs?
>
>
>
>   My thoughts - Its likely the names and their recordings on the webpages 
>are not listed chronologically accurate.  We'll need to compare the final 
>results to what we have on the webpages, and then do some updates.  Carlos, 
>can you make any comparisons from the webpages with what you have mastered 
>on the discs?
>
>
>
>
>
>   Regards,
>
>
>
>   Bleus
>
>
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>
>   Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:41 -0800
>   From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>   To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>   Message-ID: <001301c3de4a$ba0a9df0$3a773242 at CopyTech>
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>   I need to know how many sets we are doing.
>
>   Carlos
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
>   To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>   Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
>   > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in 
>UK
>   on
>   > this, he must be sleeping.
>   >
>   > John T.
>
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From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk  Mon Jan 19 09:00:56 2004
From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (fredmoss at totalise.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:00:56 +0000
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jan 19 00:28:11 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:28:11 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
In-Reply-To: <000701c3dde1$1dcb51f0$ae240f9d@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <000001c3de1a$bcd382c0$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>

I've woken up!   Yeah!  Marathon tape!  I'd probably like two copies
myself - after all, this is historic, innit!

What about another couple of volumes, or would you be too busy for another
Marathon, Carlos?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> Sent: 18 January 2004 16:36
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
> Gra' in UK on
> this, he must be sleeping.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound and
> music compilation.
>
> Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
>
> Carlos
>
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From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:28:13 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
In-Reply-To: <1f93eea1f8f44e.1f8f44e1f93eea@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000101c3de1a$bde7b1e0$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>

Sorry guys ... I may have a Russian wife but I feel, like a fish out of
water in Moscow.  No way Jose do I want to visit again.  May be visit St
Petersberg ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 18 January 2004 17:01
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
>
> May be he is in Russia !!!
> Thanks Carlos for the marathon project( not just the tape) !!
> Waiting to hear those great selections and efforts of this group
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
> > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra'
> > in UK on
> > this, he must be sleeping.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good
> > sound and
> > music compilation.
> >
> > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From pbetti at lpconsul.net  Mon Jan 19 11:11:16 2004
From: pbetti at lpconsul.net (Piergiorgio Betti)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:11:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution
In-Reply-To: <005301c3de4c$634171e0$3a773242@CopyTech>
References: <000701c3de1a$d393ca60$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>
	<005301c3de4c$634171e0$3a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <200401191111.16464.pbetti@lpconsul.net>

Hi Carlos, 
me too! I'll send you my address sooner.

Best regards 
Piergiorgio


Alle 06:23, lunedì 19 gennaio 2004, El Magnifico ha scritto:
> OK guys. All of you interested in receiving a set with a numbered
> authentication certificate must start sending your addresses to me
> off-list. The sooner, the better. I'm happy with the results, I mean,
> considering that the source came out of a cassette tape recorded in so many
> different decks around the world ... we have accomplished a wonderful
> thing.
>
> I have noticed that some of the contributors are no longer in the list.
> Hopefully they answer soon.
>
> As Bleus said; you can then transfer it to your cassette media. I did a
> back-up copy on an open reel.
>
> Regards,
>
> Carlos
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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Mon Jan 19 10:35:42 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:35:42 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution
References: <000701c3de1a$d393ca60$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>
	<005301c3de4c$634171e0$3a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <014201c3de6f$9c1eb4a0$aa9e7ad5@oemcomputer>

Put me down for a set,

Thanks

Terry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:23 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution


> OK guys. All of you interested in receiving a set with a numbered
> authentication certificate must start sending your addresses to me
off-list.
> The sooner, the better. I'm happy with the results, I mean, considering
that
> the source came out of a cassette tape recorded in so many different decks
> around the world ... we have accomplished a wonderful thing.
>
> I have noticed that some of the contributors are no longer in the list.
> Hopefully they answer soon.
>
> As Bleus said; you can then transfer it to your cassette media. I did a
> back-up copy on an open reel.
>
> Regards,
>
> Carlos
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Jan 19 10:41:59 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:41:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes
References: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au><B6CA4BD4-488D-11D8-AC9A-000A9595EFBA@netvigator.com>
	<003701c3dd89$318650d0$5d773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <00a401c3de70$7cc737c0$1210a8c0@tg>

Carlos, please count me as well...

Thanks and regards,
Tayfur
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:05 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes


> Ladies & the Gentlemen:
>
> Both Masters, Marathon Tape Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 are finally ready for
> duplication and distribution. Both has 10 selections and everybody was
> included. It is a piece of art thanks to the wonderful selections the
> participants made.
>
> The tracks are not in the same order as the tapes due to logical reasons.
> Each volume has a little under 50 minutes. The label has been designed
too.
>
> After hearing it for the first time in my main system, I simply said :
> "Wow".
> I know you'll like it and perhaps your neighbor too.
>
> Please remember that we can not duplicate these project outside of this
> circle, neither sell it as it is a copyright material. Unfortunately, we
> have to pay for the cost of getting this project to each one of you who
want
> a copy. Mastering, CDR, Priority Mail, Duplication, labeling & jewel
boxes.
> We have to be sure that this set do not turns into an underground "High
End"
> disc or something like that. This is only for our enjoyment . I confide in
> your judgment and ethics.
>
> The copies will be made in one of my Microboards Duplication Towers direct
> from the original stampers. The tapes were recorded without noise
reduction
> and even some original recording defects are there to improve the value.
ON
> the other hand, leveling, sequencing and many other material manipulation
> was digitally performed on a SADiE Disk Editor. The same one Bob Ludwig
use
> on some of his projects.
>
> More info later. When I know the cost, I'll tell you. I know is gonna be
> about $5.00 each volume. For Europe, Australia and Indonesia shipping
would
> be higher and the difference would reflects in the cost.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos, The Tape Man
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From jazzao at primus.com.au  Mon Jan 19 12:52:49 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:52:49 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
Message-ID: <400BC511.6000703@primus.com.au>

Hi all,

Just acquired a 700ZXE and will be sending it to Stephen for an 
overhaul.  Wanted to know if there are any other members who uses the 
deck.  How does the deck perform with recordings and playback?  Planning 
to archive my vinyl but also play some older tapes made on a Denon 3 
header and prerecorded cassettes.

Thanks for any input.
Alan



From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk  Mon Jan 19 13:10:28 2004
From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (fredmoss at totalise.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:10:28 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
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From lyra at abc.lt  Mon Jan 19 13:23:19 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:23:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
References: <E1AiYEe-0005nQ-KU@webmfnn1.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <00a001c3de87$05fa5930$040310ac@lyra2>

Hi Fred,

Very interesting information! Do you know what modifications Stephen Sank offers for 700ZXE? I have 700ZXE and it would be great to have it upgraded to even better sounding unit.

Regards,
Tadas

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:10
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


  Hi Alan,
  I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!

  Regards
  Fred
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:42:58 +0000
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Mon Jan 19 13:47:21 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:47:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes
Message-ID: <s00b8b90.004@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Carlos,
 
Was out sick last Wednesday & Friday, should not have come in Thursday.  Home connection is erratic at best; only tried to connect three times, of which only once was successful.  That lasted 15 minutes, which was mostly taken up deleting SPAM, then system locked up and disconnected.  This morning deleted 178 SPAM messages, that passed our SPAM filter.  Still a few wrongly filtered-out messages happening.  As we have been having over 20,000 SPAMs delivered in a 24-hour period, and the filter the university has purchased is not very friendly on retrieving specific messages, we are encouraged to re-subscribe to any Listserv's we get deleted from.  Meanwhile, the filter will be updated to let that specific address go each specific recipient.  I just "love" SPAM (definitely NOT!).
 
End of tirade!  Count me in on a copy of each volume of the Marathon Tape.
 
Hopefully, by now, everyone remembers my sign-off:  "Enjoy the music"!
 
Kent Merideth
Somewhere in Central Indiana, where the Wigwam still stands!


>>> copytec at coqui.net 01/18/04 01:05AM >>>
Ladies & the Gentlemen:

Both Masters, Marathon Tape Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 are finally ready for
duplication and distribution. Both has 10 selections and everybody was
included. It is a piece of art thanks to the wonderful selections the
participants made.

The tracks are not in the same order as the tapes due to logical reasons.
Each volume has a little under 50 minutes. The label has been designed too.

After hearing it for the first time in my main system, I simply said :
"Wow".
I know you'll like it and perhaps your neighbor too.

Please remember that we can not duplicate these project outside of this
circle, neither sell it as it is a copyright material. Unfortunately, we
have to pay for the cost of getting this project to each one of you who want
a copy. Mastering, CDR, Priority Mail, Duplication, labeling & jewel boxes.
We have to be sure that this set do not turns into an underground "High End"
disc or something like that. This is only for our enjoyment . I confide in
your judgment and ethics.

The copies will be made in one of my Microboards Duplication Towers direct
from the original stampers. The tapes were recorded without noise reduction
and even some original recording defects are there to improve the value. ON
the other hand, leveling, sequencing and many other material manipulation
was digitally performed on a SADiE Disk Editor. The same one Bob Ludwig use
on some of his projects.

More info later. When I know the cost, I'll tell you. I know is gonna be
about $5.00 each volume. For Europe, Australia and Indonesia shipping would
be higher and the difference would reflects in the cost.

Thanks,

Carlos, The Tape Man

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Mon Jan 19 15:14:54 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:14:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Credits
In-Reply-To: <005d01c3de55$7fd3cfc0$3a773242@CopyTech>
References: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<005d01c3de55$7fd3cfc0$3a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <400BE65E.4040208@rcn.com>

El Magnifico wrote:

> Fellows:
> 
> Since the project was part of all us, I just want to give credit to those
> persons who made it possible:
> 
> First of all: Wouter for having this wonderful list where we have made
> friends the world over.
> 
> Mr. Bleus: the friend who has always be in contact with me everywhere I go
> and the originator of the Marathon Tape page at his domain.
> 
> All of the contributors who took their time and effort to share their music
> with others.
> 
> Gra Nelson: the guy in charge of the tape # 2 in Europe.
> 
> Also, and just some information for you to taste a little bit in advance ...
> 
> Mr. Ron Hoffman was honored with the opening of Volume # 1 with his terrific
> selection and sound.

I truly appreciate the honor.

Do note that the recording is from a 1978 Orinda LP. It was
played back on a ReVox B791 turntable, circa 1982, fitted
with a V-15VMR cartridge, circa 1986. Recorded, of course,
on a Nakamichi CR-7, circa 1985.

I made the recording in 2002. Today, almost a year and a
half later, both pieces of equipment are still going strong,
though the TT now sports a new mat (thanks again, Graham)
and a new phono stage.

Isn't our hobby great...

-- Ron



  Tom from Australia, closed it.
> 
> Nick, from Moscow-Russia, opened Vol. 2.
> 
> If we like the results, we should do a new project for this new year, with
> some changes of course ...
> 
> I'm doing the same with some Revox friends: The Revox Files. Hopefully it'll
> come out as good as this one.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Carlos aka The Tape Man
>




From ra.ah at rcn.com  Mon Jan 19 15:28:28 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:28:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
In-Reply-To: <E1AiYk6-000GGY-Dt@webm6.global.net.uk>
References: <E1AiYk6-000GGY-Dt@webm6.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <400BE98C.8050205@rcn.com>


Stephen made no secret of it... He noted that the 700ZXE
internal wiring was far too complex and felt that the deck
could be sonically improved by simplifying the signal path.

This is not a simple modification.

I haven't looked at the schematic, but Stephen may well be
right. OTOH, the Nakamichi engineers implementation couldn't
have been an accident, it must have been thought out very
carefully. So, I wonder what is the down side to such a mod.

-- Ron




fredmoss at totalise.co.uk wrote:

> He didnt tell me his secrets!
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:23 , Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt> sent:
> 
>     Hi Fred,
>      
>     Very interesting information! Do you know what modifications Stephen Sank
>     offers for 700ZXE? I have 700ZXE and it would be great to have it upgraded
>     to even better sounding unit.
>      
>     Regards,
>     Tadas
>      
> 
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk <compose.pl?To=fredmoss at totalise.co.uk>
>         To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <compose.pl?To=naktalk at naks.com>
>         Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:10
>         Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
> 
>         Hi Alan,
>         I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback,
>         but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on
>         the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it
>         would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used
>         to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!
> 
>         Regards
>         Fred
>




From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 20:09:02 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:09:02 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <2031120202bb14.202bb142031120@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <005d01c3debf$b4b81ab0$18773242@CopyTech>

No problem.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Yes Carlos you have to include my name and I will be mailing my address
tomorrow
> kannan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isy Fidelman <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
> > Count me in too Carlos!!!!
> >
> > Isy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > > I need to know how many sets we are doing.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
> > Gra' in UK
> > > on
> > > > this, he must be sleeping.
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good
> > sound and
> > > > music compilation.
> > > >
> > > > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 20:14:14 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:14:14 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <000001c3de1a$bcd382c0$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <007b01c3dec0$6dc833f0$18773242@CopyTech>

I already proposed a new set for this year. As you say; this is really
historic. If could pay all the loyalties involved in order to make it spread
around, I'm very sure we'll have enough funds for the first Nakamichi
Collector's Club convention. I'm very sure that even Stereophile would be
interested to publish the story ... HA !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> I've woken up!   Yeah!  Marathon tape!  I'd probably like two copies
> myself - after all, this is historic, innit!
>
> What about another couple of volumes, or would you be too busy for another
> Marathon, Carlos?
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> > Sent: 18 January 2004 16:36
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
> > Gra' in UK on
> > this, he must be sleeping.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound and
> > music compilation.
> >
> > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 20:14:34 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:14:34 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution
References: <000701c3de1a$d393ca60$30ea4c51@oemcomputer><005301c3de4c$634171e0$3a773242@CopyTech>
	<200401191111.16464.pbetti@lpconsul.net>
Message-ID: <008301c3dec0$7ad21020$18773242@CopyTech>

Good !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Piergiorgio Betti" <pbetti at lpconsul.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution


> Hi Carlos,
> me too! I'll send you my address sooner.
>
> Best regards
> Piergiorgio
>
>
> Alle 06:23, lunedì 19 gennaio 2004, El Magnifico ha scritto:
> > OK guys. All of you interested in receiving a set with a numbered
> > authentication certificate must start sending your addresses to me
> > off-list. The sooner, the better. I'm happy with the results, I mean,
> > considering that the source came out of a cassette tape recorded in so
many
> > different decks around the world ... we have accomplished a wonderful
> > thing.
> >
> > I have noticed that some of the contributors are no longer in the list.
> > Hopefully they answer soon.
> >
> > As Bleus said; you can then transfer it to your cassette media. I did a
> > back-up copy on an open reel.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 20:25:12 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:25:12 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
References: <400BC511.6000703@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <00c301c3dec1$f68c7380$18773242@CopyTech>

Good luck with it, Alan. What I have heard is that the 700 ZXE is more
reliable than its cousin ZXL. I sold both: the 1000 ZXL and the 700 ZXL as
well. Way expensive to keep them running properly.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Olan" <jazzao at primus.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:52 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


> Hi all,
>
> Just acquired a 700ZXE and will be sending it to Stephen for an
> overhaul.  Wanted to know if there are any other members who uses the
> deck.  How does the deck perform with recordings and playback?  Planning
> to archive my vinyl but also play some older tapes made on a Denon 3
> header and prerecorded cassettes.
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Alan
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 20:26:11 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:26:11 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
References: <E1AiYEe-0005nQ-KU@webmfnn1.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <00d701c3dec2$19282970$18773242@CopyTech>

I really understand you, Fred. Mine was sold for "parts" for less than $500.00

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


  Hi Alan,
  I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!

  Regards
  Fred



  On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:52 , Alan Olan <jazzao at primus.com.au> sent:


    Hi all, 

    Just acquired a 700ZXE and will be sending it to Stephen for an 
    overhaul. Wanted to know if there are any other members who uses the 
    deck. How does the deck perform with recordings and playback? Planning 
    to archive my vinyl but also play some older tapes made on a Denon 3 
    header and prerecorded cassettes. 

    Thanks for any input. 
    Alan 

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From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:27:14 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
References: <E1AiYEe-0005nQ-KU@webmfnn1.global.net.uk>
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A lot. He sell a 700 ZXE for $600.00 as is. Modified version: $1,300.00 or so for you to have an idea how extensive he's work is.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tadas Motiejunas 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


  Hi Fred,

  Very interesting information! Do you know what modifications Stephen Sank offers for 700ZXE? I have 700ZXE and it would be great to have it upgraded to even better sounding unit.

  Regards,
  Tadas

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:10
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


    Hi Alan,
    I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!

    Regards
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 20:28:54 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:28:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes
References: <s00b8b90.004@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <010101c3dec2$7c150580$18773242@CopyTech>

Holly shit, Kent ! 20k messages ! I feel for you.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kent Merideth 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes


  Hello Carlos,

  Was out sick last Wednesday & Friday, should not have come in Thursday.  Home connection is erratic at best; only tried to connect three times, of which only once was successful.  That lasted 15 minutes, which was mostly taken up deleting SPAM, then system locked up and disconnected.  This morning deleted 178 SPAM messages, that passed our SPAM filter.  Still a few wrongly filtered-out messages happening.  As we have been having over 20,000 SPAMs delivered in a 24-hour period, and the filter the university has purchased is not very friendly on retrieving specific messages, we are encouraged to re-subscribe to any Listserv's we get deleted from.  Meanwhile, the filter will be updated to let that specific address go each specific recipient.  I just "love" SPAM (definitely NOT!).

  End of tirade!  Count me in on a copy of each volume of the Marathon Tape.

  Hopefully, by now, everyone remembers my sign-off:  "Enjoy the music"!

  Kent Merideth
  Somewhere in Central Indiana, where the Wigwam still stands!


  >>> copytec at coqui.net 01/18/04 01:05AM >>>
  Ladies & the Gentlemen:

  Both Masters, Marathon Tape Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 are finally ready for
  duplication and distribution. Both has 10 selections and everybody was
  included. It is a piece of art thanks to the wonderful selections the
  participants made.

  The tracks are not in the same order as the tapes due to logical reasons.
  Each volume has a little under 50 minutes. The label has been designed too.

  After hearing it for the first time in my main system, I simply said :
  "Wow".
  I know you'll like it and perhaps your neighbor too.

  Please remember that we can not duplicate these project outside of this
  circle, neither sell it as it is a copyright material. Unfortunately, we
  have to pay for the cost of getting this project to each one of you who want
  a copy. Mastering, CDR, Priority Mail, Duplication, labeling & jewel boxes.
  We have to be sure that this set do not turns into an underground "High End"
  disc or something like that. This is only for our enjoyment . I confide in
  your judgment and ethics.

  The copies will be made in one of my Microboards Duplication Towers direct
  from the original stampers. The tapes were recorded without noise reduction
  and even some original recording defects are there to improve the value. ON
  the other hand, leveling, sequencing and many other material manipulation
  was digitally performed on a SADiE Disk Editor. The same one Bob Ludwig use
  on some of his projects.

  More info later. When I know the cost, I'll tell you. I know is gonna be
  about $5.00 each volume. For Europe, Australia and Indonesia shipping would
  be higher and the difference would reflects in the cost.

  Thanks,

  Carlos, The Tape Man

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 20:40:01 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:40:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Credits
References: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl><005d01c3de55$7fd3cfc0$3a773242@CopyTech>
	<400BE65E.4040208@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <012b01c3dec4$0c8d02b0$18773242@CopyTech>

By all means, Ron. You really keep your system and records in top shape. For
a moment I thought I was hearing a CD recording because it was completely
clean without pops or clicks.

Congratulations !

Carlos

> > Mr. Ron Hoffman was honored with the opening of Volume # 1 with his
terrific
> > selection and sound.
>
> I truly appreciate the honor.
>
> Do note that the recording is from a 1978 Orinda LP. It was
> played back on a ReVox B791 turntable, circa 1982, fitted
> with a V-15VMR cartridge, circa 1986. Recorded, of course,
> on a Nakamichi CR-7, circa 1985.
>
> I made the recording in 2002. Today, almost a year and a
> half later, both pieces of equipment are still going strong,
> though the TT now sports a new mat (thanks again, Graham)
> and a new phono stage.
>
> Isn't our hobby great...
>
> -- Ron
>



From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Jan 19 16:36:48 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:36:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <000001c3de1a$bcd382c0$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>
	<007b01c3dec0$6dc833f0$18773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <00a601c3dea2$1379bf40$256623c8@g8nsv>

The idea of a New Marathon Tape sounds awesome....and the Nak convention is
very attractive too.....
Let's work them out.....what do you say guys???

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> I already proposed a new set for this year. As you say; this is really
> historic. If could pay all the loyalties involved in order to make it
spread
> around, I'm very sure we'll have enough funds for the first Nakamichi
> Collector's Club convention. I'm very sure that even Stereophile would be
> interested to publish the story ... HA !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> > I've woken up!   Yeah!  Marathon tape!  I'd probably like two copies
> > myself - after all, this is historic, innit!
> >
> > What about another couple of volumes, or would you be too busy for
another
> > Marathon, Carlos?
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> > > Sent: 18 January 2004 16:36
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
> > > Gra' in UK on
> > > this, he must be sleeping.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound
and
> > > music compilation.
> > >
> > > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 08/01/04
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 20:55:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:55:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <000001c3de1a$bcd382c0$30ea4c51@oemcomputer><007b01c3dec0$6dc833f0$18773242@CopyTech>
	<00a601c3dea2$1379bf40$256623c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <016f01c3dec6$2cbdc130$18773242@CopyTech>

Yeah, but this time it is better if everyone records a selection by itself
and send the tapes to me. Last year we were stucked due to some peronal
reasons of a fellow Nakker and we concluded the project sooner. It takes a
lot of time traveling plus the danger of loosing it in transit.

I know that the idea of having a single tape traveling around the globe is
the real thing but logistics make it impossible and time consuming. Right
now I'm making the "Revox Files" with some friends around the globe as well
and we concluded to send all the tapes to me direct from them.

Best,

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> The idea of a New Marathon Tape sounds awesome....and the Nak convention
is
> very attractive too.....
> Let's work them out.....what do you say guys???
>
> Isy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> > I already proposed a new set for this year. As you say; this is really
> > historic. If could pay all the loyalties involved in order to make it
> spread
> > around, I'm very sure we'll have enough funds for the first Nakamichi
> > Collector's Club convention. I'm very sure that even Stereophile would
be
> > interested to publish the story ... HA !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > > I've woken up!   Yeah!  Marathon tape!  I'd probably like two copies
> > > myself - after all, this is historic, innit!
> > >
> > > What about another couple of volumes, or would you be too busy for
> another
> > > Marathon, Carlos?
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> > > > Sent: 18 January 2004 16:36
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
> > > > Gra' in UK on
> > > > this, he must be sleeping.
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound
> and
> > > > music compilation.
> > > >
> > > > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ---
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Jan 19 15:21:58 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:21:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Order - Possibility of further M-Tape (Gra')
Message-ID: <s00c0583.092@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Dear Carlos,

Please could I have two sets of the CDs.  One would be for me, and one
for either Walter Drewes (haven't heard from him for a while) - he has 4
Dragons, and at least six other Naks or Neil Painter who has 2 CR-7s and
they I would utterly trust with the copyright issues.

Whenever you are ready to ship, I will remit the funds immediately.

By the way, Gra' , I reckon Carlos would rather contemplate borrowing
Niro Nakamichi's family ceremonial sword to fall upon than do another
marathon tape!!!!!! But if I'm wrong, then.............I'm in.  Perhaps
we should use Naktree for something like this......


Best Regards,

Marc

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 19 21:23:56 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:23:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Home Audio Owners Club of Japan site
References: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <01a701c3deca$2ac63a20$18773242@CopyTech>

Hey Wouter:

Why they don't do a Marathon Tape themselves and then we exchange masters to
be distribute among the members ?

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:29 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Home Audio Owners Club of Japan site


> I got in touch (again) with Shigeki Kono and asked him what happened to
> his removed Nakamichi Home Audio Owners Club of Japan site ..
> Well apparently he's renewing it and made it available again!
> You can find it here:
>
> http://nakamichi.dyndns.org/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Wouter
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Mon Jan 19 18:16:00 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:16:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes
Message-ID: <s00bca95.072@mail.anderson.edu>

Carlos,
 
Note that is for the whole campus of approximately 2800 e-mail accounts.  That's not just for my account.  It would only take a little more than 7 SPAM's per account to generate that kind of count.  When they first installed the program, it was logging over 50,000 bad guys a day, which is less than 20 per account.  It didn't sound too bad per account, but when they saw how much was going into the server, and slowing down the "post office", they decided it was time to take action.  This all came to a boil over Christmas break.  Just so you don't think this was only happening to my account.
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent 


>>> copytec at coqui.net 01/19/04 02:28PM >>>

Holly shit, Kent ! 20k messages ! I feel for you.
 
Carlos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kent Merideth 
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes


Hello Carlos,
 
Was out sick last Wednesday & Friday, should not have come in Thursday.  Home connection is erratic at best; only tried to connect three times, of which only once was successful.  That lasted 15 minutes, which was mostly taken up deleting SPAM, then system locked up and disconnected.  This morning deleted 178 SPAM messages, that passed our SPAM filter.  Still a few wrongly filtered-out messages happening.  As we have been having over 20,000 SPAMs delivered in a 24-hour period, and the filter the university has purchased is not very friendly on retrieving specific messages, we are encouraged to re-subscribe to any Listserv's we get deleted from.  Meanwhile, the filter will be updated to let that specific address go each specific recipient.  I just "love" SPAM (definitely NOT!).
 
End of tirade!  Count me in on a copy of each volume of the Marathon Tape.
 
Hopefully, by now, everyone remembers my sign-off:  "Enjoy the music"!
 
Kent Merideth
Somewhere in Central Indiana, where the Wigwam still stands!


>>> copytec at coqui.net 01/18/04 01:05AM >>>
Ladies & the Gentlemen:

Both Masters, Marathon Tape Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 are finally ready for
duplication and distribution. Both has 10 selections and everybody was
included. It is a piece of art thanks to the wonderful selections the
participants made.

The tracks are not in the same order as the tapes due to logical reasons.
Each volume has a little under 50 minutes. The label has been designed too.

After hearing it for the first time in my main system, I simply said :
"Wow".
I know you'll like it and perhaps your neighbor too.

Please remember that we can not duplicate these project outside of this
circle, neither sell it as it is a copyright material. Unfortunately, we
have to pay for the cost of getting this project to each one of you who want
a copy. Mastering, CDR, Priority Mail, Duplication, labeling & jewel boxes.
We have to be sure that this set do not turns into an underground "High End"
disc or something like that. This is only for our enjoyment . I confide in
your judgment and ethics.

The copies will be made in one of my Microboards Duplication Towers direct
from the original stampers. The tapes were recorded without noise reduction
and even some original recording defects are there to improve the value. ON
the other hand, leveling, sequencing and many other material manipulation
was digitally performed on a SADiE Disk Editor. The same one Bob Ludwig use
on some of his projects.

More info later. When I know the cost, I'll tell you. I know is gonna be
about $5.00 each volume. For Europe, Australia and Indonesia shipping would
be higher and the difference would reflects in the cost.

Thanks,

Carlos, The Tape Man

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Jan 19 19:07:27 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:07:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <000001c3de1a$bcd382c0$30ea4c51@oemcomputer><007b01c3dec0$6dc833f0$18773242@CopyTech>
	<00a601c3dea2$1379bf40$256623c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <012601c3deb7$196ef770$de106343@johnnyrotten>

If we had any smarts at all we would have Carlos locate us a nice hotel in
Puerto Rico for this time next year to get away from this terrible northeast
cold spell. Weather channel say's San Juan is at 85 degree's which I could
very easily handle right now! ;-)

John T. in bloody cold Delaware

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


The idea of a New Marathon Tape sounds awesome....and the Nak convention is
very attractive too.....
Let's work them out.....what do you say guys???

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> I already proposed a new set for this year. As you say; this is really
> historic. If could pay all the loyalties involved in order to make it
spread
> around, I'm very sure we'll have enough funds for the first Nakamichi
> Collector's Club convention. I'm very sure that even Stereophile would be
> interested to publish the story ... HA !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> > I've woken up!   Yeah!  Marathon tape!  I'd probably like two copies
> > myself - after all, this is historic, innit!
> >
> > What about another couple of volumes, or would you be too busy for
another
> > Marathon, Carlos?
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> > > Sent: 18 January 2004 16:36
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
> > > Gra' in UK on
> > > this, he must be sleeping.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound
and
> > > music compilation.
> > >
> > > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > >
> > ---
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Jan 19 19:10:15 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:10:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <000101c3de1a$bde7b1e0$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <013601c3deb7$7d40b540$de106343@johnnyrotten>

Gra' let me buy you a cold beer in Puerto Rico and let Carlos show us the
sites!

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


Sorry guys ... I may have a Russian wife but I feel, like a fish out of
water in Moscow.  No way Jose do I want to visit again.  May be visit St
Petersberg ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 18 January 2004 17:01
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
>
> May be he is in Russia !!!
> Thanks Carlos for the marathon project( not just the tape) !!
> Waiting to hear those great selections and efforts of this group
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
> > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra'
> > in UK on
> > this, he must be sleeping.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good
> > sound and
> > music compilation.
> >
> > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> >
> > Carlos
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Mon Jan 19 19:12:16 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:12:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
Message-ID: <200401191312_MC3-1-6794-7DDE@compuserve.com>

Hi Alan,

I have been using one for almost 4 years now. It was not functional when I
bought it, I had to replace the playback head and replace the rubber parts.
After couple years the auto calibration started to fail, first on metal
then cro2 and finally on normal settings, which turned out to be the
"orange-cap disease". With Stephen's and others guidance, I was able to fix
it. It is still in "good health" after that. 

My remaining problems are the squeeky noise when playing some cassettes (I
think they are all 80's BASF tapes). This is a loud 1-2 kHz tone generated
from the cassette itself (mechanically). 
Also the outboard dolby-C unit (NR-100) is not performing well. Could be my
unit only, but there are no adjustments in the thing.

Overall it is a very nice, impressive looking deck. All my friends who come
over to my house first time have the same reaction: "so, this thing is for
cassette only??"
I think the major change what Stephen does is replacing the op-amps with
better performing ones.

Enjoy your 700zxe!
_Fuad

P.S. Carlos, please count me in for the marathon-tape distribution..


Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
>

Good luck with it, Alan. What I have heard is that the 700 ZXE is more
reliable than its cousin ZXL. I sold both: the 1000 ZXL and the 700 ZXL as
well. Way expensive to keep them running properly.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Olan" <jazzao at primus.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:52 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


> Hi all,
>
> Just acquired a 700ZXE and will be sending it to Stephen for an
> overhaul.  Wanted to know if there are any other members who uses the
> deck.  How does the deck perform with recordings and playback?  Planning
> to archive my vinyl but also play some older tapes made on a Denon 3
> header and prerecorded cassettes.
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Alan
>
<



From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Mon Jan 19 19:32:01 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:32:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
Message-ID: <s00bdc64.054@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Tadas,
 
The only modifications I'm aware of that Stephen does on the 700ZXE is replacing the terrible orange Mylar capacitors and upgrading the op-amps.  He has stated the playback of the ZXE is better than the ZXL due to a much simpler circuit in the ZXE.  Think it is a discrete transistor in the ZXE and an op-amp in the ZXL.  Another thing to keep in mind is the socket/daughter-board interfaces will have to have the printed circuit board traces cleaned periodically.  Treating them with Cramolin Pro-Gold may be advisable.  I'm still waiting for my ZXE to be shipped to me from quite some time ago.  
 
Kent Merideth


>>> lyra at abc.lt 01/19/04 07:23AM >>>

Hi Fred,
 
Very interesting information! Do you know what modifications Stephen Sank offers for 700ZXE? I have 700ZXE and it would be great to have it upgraded to even better sounding unit.
 
Regards,
Tadas
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:10
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


Hi Alan,
I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!

Regards
Fred

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Mon Jan 19 19:44:55 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:44:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
In-Reply-To: <012601c3deb7$196ef770$de106343@johnnyrotten>
References: <000001c3de1a$bcd382c0$30ea4c51@oemcomputer><007b01c3dec0$6dc833f0$18773242@CopyTech>	<00a601c3dea2$1379bf40$256623c8@g8nsv>
	<012601c3deb7$196ef770$de106343@johnnyrotten>
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Thanks for a hearty laugh... I'd take Delaware any time.
here in MA, we just came out of a cold spell, dipping at
-12 degrees (that's F, not C)

-- Ron


John M. Tooley wrote:

> If we had any smarts at all we would have Carlos locate us a nice hotel in
> Puerto Rico for this time next year to get away from this terrible northeast
> cold spell. Weather channel say's San Juan is at 85 degree's which I could
> very easily handle right now! ;-)
> 
> John T. in bloody cold Delaware
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> 
> 
> The idea of a New Marathon Tape sounds awesome....and the Nak convention is
> very attractive too.....
> Let's work them out.....what do you say guys???
> 
> Isy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> 
> 
> 
>>I already proposed a new set for this year. As you say; this is really
>>historic. If could pay all the loyalties involved in order to make it
> 
> spread
> 
>>around, I'm very sure we'll have enough funds for the first Nakamichi
>>Collector's Club convention. I'm very sure that even Stereophile would be
>>interested to publish the story ... HA !
>>
>>Carlos
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:28 PM
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>>
>>
>>
>>>I've woken up!   Yeah!  Marathon tape!  I'd probably like two copies
>>>myself - after all, this is historic, innit!
>>>
>>>What about another couple of volumes, or would you be too busy for
> 
> another
> 
>>>Marathon, Carlos?
>>>
>>>Gra'
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>>>Behalf Of John M. Tooley
>>>>Sent: 18 January 2004 16:36
>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
>>>>Gra' in UK on
>>>>this, he must be sleeping.
>>>>
>>>>John T.
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
>>>>Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound
> 
> and
> 
>>>>music compilation.
>>>>
>>>>Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
>>>>
>>>>Carlos
>




From lyra at abc.lt  Mon Jan 19 19:59:33 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:59:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
References: <s00bdc64.054@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <002f01c3debe$601b4be0$5a0310ac@Tado>

Hello Keith,

Thank you for the ideas. It seems that Nakamichi had great engineers for mechanics and head development, but only average technicians for electronics :) There are too many op-amps in our Naks (or am I wrong?). I have a pair of Sansui cassette decks, no orange caps, op-amps are almost absent, copper foil (!) capacitors in critical places!

Maybe anybody tried to exclude Dolby circuit from the way of signal? I never use noise reduction, because I always hear its work when playing back (Dolby C is more noticeable than B). I rather prefer more noise and untouched music. BTW, 700ZXE sound is much better than Dragon, which I also have...

Tadas
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kent Merideth 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


  Hello Tadas,

  The only modifications I'm aware of that Stephen does on the 700ZXE is replacing the terrible orange Mylar capacitors and upgrading the op-amps.  He has stated the playback of the ZXE is better than the ZXL due to a much simpler circuit in the ZXE.  Think it is a discrete transistor in the ZXE and an op-amp in the ZXL.  Another thing to keep in mind is the socket/daughter-board interfaces will have to have the printed circuit board traces cleaned periodically.  Treating them with Cramolin Pro-Gold may be advisable.  I'm still waiting for my ZXE to be shipped to me from quite some time ago.  

  Kent Merideth


  >>> lyra at abc.lt 01/19/04 07:23AM >>>

  Hi Fred,

  Very interesting information! Do you know what modifications Stephen Sank offers for 700ZXE? I have 700ZXE and it would be great to have it upgraded to even better sounding unit.

  Regards,
  Tadas

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:10
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


    Hi Alan,
    I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!

    Regards
    Fred



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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Jan 19 19:58:46 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:58:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution
Message-ID: <2154e9121537da.21537da2154e91@vsnl.net>

Carlos
My shipping address is 
Srinivasa Raghavan Kannan
1262 Oregold Pl
San Jose CA 95131 USA 
Res Ph 408 453 3567
 You can let me know the mode of payments and when to send.
Yeah it is great to know that our groups effort in keeping the Nak legend alive1
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:23 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution

> OK guys. All of you interested in receiving a set with a numbered
> authentication certificate must start sending your addresses to me 
> off-list.
> The sooner, the better. I'm happy with the results, I mean, 
> considering that
> the source came out of a cassette tape recorded in so many 
> different decks
> around the world ... we have accomplished a wonderful thing.
> 
> I have noticed that some of the contributors are no longer in the 
> list.Hopefully they answer soon.
> 
> As Bleus said; you can then transfer it to your cassette media. I 
> did a
> back-up copy on an open reel.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 20 00:24:31 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:24:31 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <000101c3de1a$bde7b1e0$30ea4c51@oemcomputer>
	<013601c3deb7$7d40b540$de106343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <003601c3dee3$64a87550$ac773242@CopyTech>

You are welcome ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Gra' let me buy you a cold beer in Puerto Rico and let Carlos show us the
> sites!
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> Sorry guys ... I may have a Russian wife but I feel, like a fish out of
> water in Moscow.  No way Jose do I want to visit again.  May be visit St
> Petersberg ...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> > Sent: 18 January 2004 17:01
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> >
> > May be he is in Russia !!!
> > Thanks Carlos for the marathon project( not just the tape) !!
> > Waiting to hear those great selections and efforts of this group
> > kannan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 am
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> > > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra'
> > > in UK on
> > > this, he must be sleeping.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good
> > > sound and
> > > music compilation.
> > >
> > > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> > >
> > > Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 20 00:27:31 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:27:31 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
References: <s00bdc64.054@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <004d01c3dee3$cfd103b0$ac773242@CopyTech>

Also, I think he re-route & replace the wires or something like that. It is a time consuming thing.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kent Merideth 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


  Hello Tadas,

  The only modifications I'm aware of that Stephen does on the 700ZXE is replacing the terrible orange Mylar capacitors and upgrading the op-amps.  He has stated the playback of the ZXE is better than the ZXL due to a much simpler circuit in the ZXE.  Think it is a discrete transistor in the ZXE and an op-amp in the ZXL.  Another thing to keep in mind is the socket/daughter-board interfaces will have to have the printed circuit board traces cleaned periodically.  Treating them with Cramolin Pro-Gold may be advisable.  I'm still waiting for my ZXE to be shipped to me from quite some time ago.  

  Kent Merideth


  >>> lyra at abc.lt 01/19/04 07:23AM >>>

  Hi Fred,

  Very interesting information! Do you know what modifications Stephen Sank offers for 700ZXE? I have 700ZXE and it would be great to have it upgraded to even better sounding unit.

  Regards,
  Tadas

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:10
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


    Hi Alan,
    I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!

    Regards
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 20 00:29:32 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:29:32 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
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My men, for me the 65 degrees of Hollywood's nights were enough !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


>
> Thanks for a hearty laugh... I'd take Delaware any time.
> here in MA, we just came out of a cold spell, dipping at
> -12 degrees (that's F, not C)
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> John M. Tooley wrote:
>
> > If we had any smarts at all we would have Carlos locate us a nice hotel
in
> > Puerto Rico for this time next year to get away from this terrible
northeast
> > cold spell. Weather channel say's San Juan is at 85 degree's which I
could
> > very easily handle right now! ;-)
> >
> > John T. in bloody cold Delaware
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > The idea of a New Marathon Tape sounds awesome....and the Nak convention
is
> > very attractive too.....
> > Let's work them out.....what do you say guys???
> >
> > Isy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> >
> >>I already proposed a new set for this year. As you say; this is really
> >>historic. If could pay all the loyalties involved in order to make it
> >
> > spread
> >
> >>around, I'm very sure we'll have enough funds for the first Nakamichi
> >>Collector's Club convention. I'm very sure that even Stereophile would
be
> >>interested to publish the story ... HA !
> >>
> >>Carlos
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:28 PM
> >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I've woken up!   Yeah!  Marathon tape!  I'd probably like two copies
> >>>myself - after all, this is historic, innit!
> >>>
> >>>What about another couple of volumes, or would you be too busy for
> >
> > another
> >
> >>>Marathon, Carlos?
> >>>
> >>>Gra'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >>>>Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> >>>>Sent: 18 January 2004 16:36
> >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
> >>>>Gra' in UK on
> >>>>this, he must be sleeping.
> >>>>
> >>>>John T.
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> >>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>>>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound
> >
> > and
> >
> >>>>music compilation.
> >>>>
> >>>>Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> >>>>
> >>>>Carlos
> >
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 20 00:35:13 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:35:13 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
References: <s00bdc64.054@mail.anderson.edu>
	<002f01c3debe$601b4be0$5a0310ac@Tado>
Message-ID: <006e01c3dee4$e356c450$ac773242@CopyTech>

When I had my former 1000 ZXL in top condition and my old trusted Dragon, I did a shootout between both. The tape was recorded in a Revox B 215. I remember very clear that the 1000 ZXL sound was "heavier" and crispy while the Dragon had better highs, maybe due to the auto azymuth thing.

I can only say that a top condition 1000 or 700 ZXL are un beatable and the impression they made on the people is simply amazing.

Carlos


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tadas Motiejunas 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


  Hello Keith,

  Thank you for the ideas. It seems that Nakamichi had great engineers for mechanics and head development, but only average technicians for electronics :) There are too many op-amps in our Naks (or am I wrong?). I have a pair of Sansui cassette decks, no orange caps, op-amps are almost absent, copper foil (!) capacitors in critical places!

  Maybe anybody tried to exclude Dolby circuit from the way of signal? I never use noise reduction, because I always hear its work when playing back (Dolby C is more noticeable than B). I rather prefer more noise and untouched music. BTW, 700ZXE sound is much better than Dragon, which I also have...

  Tadas
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Kent Merideth 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:32 PM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


    Hello Tadas,

    The only modifications I'm aware of that Stephen does on the 700ZXE is replacing the terrible orange Mylar capacitors and upgrading the op-amps.  He has stated the playback of the ZXE is better than the ZXL due to a much simpler circuit in the ZXE.  Think it is a discrete transistor in the ZXE and an op-amp in the ZXL.  Another thing to keep in mind is the socket/daughter-board interfaces will have to have the printed circuit board traces cleaned periodically.  Treating them with Cramolin Pro-Gold may be advisable.  I'm still waiting for my ZXE to be shipped to me from quite some time ago.  

    Kent Merideth


    >>> lyra at abc.lt 01/19/04 07:23AM >>>

    Hi Fred,

    Very interesting information! Do you know what modifications Stephen Sank offers for 700ZXE? I have 700ZXE and it would be great to have it upgraded to even better sounding unit.

    Regards,
    Tadas

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:10
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


      Hi Alan,
      I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!

      Regards
      Fred



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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 20 00:47:42 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:47:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set
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Gentlemen:

Since the response has been over-whelming, here're the instructions to receive a set:

1- We agree that the cost, including Priority Mail, is $10.00 per set in the US. Outside of US is a little bit more. Remember, we are not selling this, we are just covering the costs, as this is copyright material. 
2- What are the costs ? : Mailing, CDR's, Jewel Boxes, Mastering Time, Duplication, labor and labels. 
3- You'll be receiving 2 volumes and over 100 minutes in music from around the world.The sets are gonna include a "certificate of authentication" individually numbered and dated.
4- You have to be patient as all these sets are done manually.
5- Please, do not duplicate it. We don't want this project to be turn into an underground high end evaluation set. This is for our enjoyment only.
6- All members of this list are entitled to receive any sets you want.
7- Please send checks or money orders to:

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

All funds must be in US dollars.

8- Finally, since I'm receiving inquiries about it, and with the apologies to all the Nakkers, those who have Revox decks and want to be part o the Revox Files are welcome. Please reply off list to be part of it.

Thank you and farewell by now. We are making history and you are part of it.

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Jan 19 21:57:52 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:57:52 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE - Sound of Op Amps
Message-ID: <2159526215c637.215c6372159526@vsnl.net>

I think it is nothing average using opamps in Audio electronics - by virtue of listening to my 582, Dragon and CR7 I found the higher end CR7 and Dragon has definitely have an edge in reproduction eventhough 582 had minimal circuitry compared to these two higher end naks.
  Infact I find Nakamichi had been using excellent Power supply , components and circuitry - may not be simple due to large number of features that they require to make availble - like individual bias level recording setup or Playback level& HF compensation to acommodate for head wear . 
 
 Since playback head puts out very small voltages - actually Dragon and CR7 uses FET in the first stage gain to reduce noise while further gain stages are handled by Op Amps. Sound quality is shaped a lot by coupling Caps and probably connecting wires. 
I noticed the more the circuit is used, bandwidth comes down a bit on the HF end probably due to Electrolytic coupling caps losing their properties.This I observed when comparing heavily used Dragon and a mint dragon side by side. By just replacing most of the caps in the Playback circuit may be good idea provided one has a time and patience to do it. If only you could do that two machines and compare them again - you would probably have a different opinion!
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Hello Keith,

Thank you for the ideas. It seems that Nakamichi had great engineers for =
mechanics and head development, but only average technicians for =
electronics :) There are too many op-amps in our Naks (or am I wrong?). =
I have a pair of Sansui cassette decks, no orange caps, op-amps are =
almost absent, copper foil (!) capacitors in critical places!

Maybe anybody tried to exclude Dolby circuit from the way of signal? I =
never use noise reduction, because I always hear its work when playing =
back (Dolby C is more noticeable than B). I rather prefer more noise and =
untouched music. BTW, 700ZXE sound is much better than Dragon, which I =
also have...

Tadas
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Kent Merideth=20
  To: naktalk at naks.com=20
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


  Hello Tadas,

  The only modifications I'm aware of that Stephen does on the 700ZXE is =
replacing the terrible orange Mylar capacitors and upgrading the =
op-amps.  He has stated the playback of the ZXE is better than the ZXL =
due to a much simpler circuit in the ZXE.  Think it is a discrete =
transistor in the ZXE and an op-amp in the ZXL.  Another thing to keep =
in mind is the socket/daughter-board interfaces will have to have the =
printed circuit board traces cleaned periodically.  Treating them with =
Cramolin Pro-Gold may be advisable.  I'm still waiting for my ZXE to be =
shipped to me from quite some time ago. =20

  Kent Merideth


  >>> lyra at abc.lt 01/19/04 07:23AM >>>

  Hi Fred,

  Very interesting information! Do you know what modifications Stephen =
Sank offers for 700ZXE? I have 700ZXE and it would be great to have it =
upgraded to even better sounding unit.

  Regards,
  Tadas

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk=20
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks=20
    Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:10
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


    Hi Alan,
    I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for =
playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes =
made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some =
modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods =
as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to =
the highest bidder!

    Regards
    Fred



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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jan 19 19:54:39 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:54:39 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
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Sounds very good to me, John!  :o)

Gra'

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> Gra' let me buy you a cold beer in Puerto Rico and let Carlos show us the
> sites!
> 
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 19 23:27:23 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CarlC)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:27:23 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
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Message-ID: <007401c3dedb$68e15db0$1702a8c0@mine>

Question to the forum:  is a Nak 700 II worth having reconditioned/serviced?  I have one and everything seems to work mechanically.  I was told that the playback speed is off.  All knobs/buttons and so on are present so appearance/cosmetics are great.  It ejects/FF/REW mechanical functions appear correct but I've not yet tried to listen to playback via headphones or amplifier/speakers.

I have 50 bucks into it and that is it.  I was advised earlier on this month the biggest challenge would be parts if they are required.

Carl

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


  Hi Alan,
  I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!

  Regards
  Fred



  On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:52 , Alan Olan <jazzao at primus.com.au> sent:


    Hi all, 

    Just acquired a 700ZXE and will be sending it to Stephen for an 
    overhaul. Wanted to know if there are any other members who uses the 
    deck. How does the deck perform with recordings and playback? Planning 
    to archive my vinyl but also play some older tapes made on a Denon 3 
    header and prerecorded cassettes. 

    Thanks for any input. 
    Alan 

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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Mon Jan 19 23:23:35 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:23:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
Message-ID: <s00c12ab.024@mail.anderson.edu>

Stephen has redone the complete wiring harness of the ZX-9, which he offered to do on mine, but I think it was around $180.00-$200.00, which was more than I could justify.  Seem to remember it was quite a chore but he seemed to be quite happy with the resultant sound.  Don't remember him commenting on rewiring the ZXE, but it could be he did and I don't remember.  Sometimes I forget things I should remember, and remember things that never happened.  Goes along with those increasing "senior moments".
 
Kent Merideth


>>> copytec at coqui.net 01/19/04 06:27PM >>>

Also, I think he re-route & replace the wires or something like that. It is a time consuming thing.
 
Carlos
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kent Merideth 
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


Hello Tadas,
 
The only modifications I'm aware of that Stephen does on the 700ZXE is replacing the terrible orange Mylar capacitors and upgrading the op-amps.  He has stated the playback of the ZXE is better than the ZXL due to a much simpler circuit in the ZXE.  Think it is a discrete transistor in the ZXE and an op-amp in the ZXL.  Another thing to keep in mind is the socket/daughter-board interfaces will have to have the printed circuit board traces cleaned periodically.  Treating them with Cramolin Pro-Gold may be advisable.  I'm still waiting for my ZXE to be shipped to me from quite some time ago.  
 
Kent Merideth


>>> lyra at abc.lt 01/19/04 07:23AM >>>

Hi Fred,
 
Very interesting information! Do you know what modifications Stephen Sank offers for 700ZXE? I have 700ZXE and it would be great to have it upgraded to even better sounding unit.
 
Regards,
Tadas
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:10
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


Hi Alan,
I use this deck and it is an excellent unit, especially for playback, but you will probably have an azimuth problem with your tapes made on the Denon. Stephen Sank commented to me that with some modification it would be the BEST sounding Nak , i haven`t had the mods as i use or used to use a 1000zxl that is now broken and is for sale to the highest bidder!

Regards
Fred


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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Jan 19 23:31:02 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:31:02 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D05F45C9B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hey Richard, there is nothing wrong with a DR3 and music is music :)
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Simpson, Richard [mailto:richard.simpson at airways.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 3:21 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape



Since becoming a subscriber to NakTalk several months ago I've been
following the evolution of the Marathon Tape Project with increasing
interest.

I can't stand it anymore! Any chance of getting a copy also???

 

I may only own a humble DR-3 and live in NZ but music is music!

 

Regards

 

Richard Simpson ( = lurker)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: KJ Bleus [mailto:kjbleus at charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 3:59 p.m.
To: naktalk at naks.com
Cc: KJ Bleus; Magnifico
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape

 

Well, we have this list of Marathoners posted on the website:

 

USA, Canada & Caribbean: 15 recordings confirmed

 

Europe, Afrika & Southeast Asia: 11 recordings confirmed

 

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html
<http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html> 

 

 

Maybe a minimum of thirty sets will be needed, and most likely some lurkers
will also delight to an opportunity to have the music too :-}}

 

How many additional NakTalkers are interested in purchasing the Marathon
Tape Project discs?

 

My thoughts - Its likely the names and their recordings on the webpages are
not listed chronologically accurate.  We'll need to compare the final
results to what we have on the webpages, and then do some updates.  Carlos,
can you make any comparisons from the webpages with what you have mastered
on the discs?

 

 

Regards,

 

Bleus

 

 

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:41 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" < copytec at coqui.net <mailto:copytec at coqui.net> >
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < naktalk at naks.com
<mailto:naktalk at naks.com> >
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I need to know how many sets we are doing.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < naktalk at naks.com
<mailto:naktalk at naks.com> >
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in UK
on
> this, he must be sleeping.
>
> John T.

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Jan 20 00:21:07 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:21:07 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D356@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Man I wish I had the money to do that, that sounds like a grand idea.

	Tom in unpredictable Melbourne weather (rain one day, super hot the
next).

-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2004 5:07 
To: Isy Fidelman; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


If we had any smarts at all we would have Carlos locate us a nice hotel in
Puerto Rico for this time next year to get away from this terrible northeast
cold spell. Weather channel say's San Juan is at 85 degree's which I could
very easily handle right now! ;-)

John T. in bloody cold Delaware

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


The idea of a New Marathon Tape sounds awesome....and the Nak convention is
very attractive too.....
Let's work them out.....what do you say guys???

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> I already proposed a new set for this year. As you say; this is really
> historic. If could pay all the loyalties involved in order to make it
spread
> around, I'm very sure we'll have enough funds for the first Nakamichi
> Collector's Club convention. I'm very sure that even Stereophile would be
> interested to publish the story ... HA !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> > I've woken up!   Yeah!  Marathon tape!  I'd probably like two copies
> > myself - after all, this is historic, innit!
> >
> > What about another couple of volumes, or would you be too busy for
another
> > Marathon, Carlos?
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> > > Sent: 18 January 2004 16:36
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
> > > Gra' in UK on
> > > this, he must be sleeping.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > >
> > >
> > > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound
and
> > > music compilation.
> > >
> > > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > >
> > ---
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Jan 20 00:23:11 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:23:11 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D357@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Fuad I too have that problem with the BASF's from the 80's, those darn
things!

-----Original Message-----
From: compudude [mailto:75541.100 at compuserve.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2004 5:12 
To: naktalk
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


Hi Alan,

I have been using one for almost 4 years now. It was not functional when I
bought it, I had to replace the playback head and replace the rubber parts.
After couple years the auto calibration started to fail, first on metal
then cro2 and finally on normal settings, which turned out to be the
"orange-cap disease". With Stephen's and others guidance, I was able to fix
it. It is still in "good health" after that. 

My remaining problems are the squeeky noise when playing some cassettes (I
think they are all 80's BASF tapes). This is a loud 1-2 kHz tone generated
from the cassette itself (mechanically). 
Also the outboard dolby-C unit (NR-100) is not performing well. Could be my
unit only, but there are no adjustments in the thing.

Overall it is a very nice, impressive looking deck. All my friends who come
over to my house first time have the same reaction: "so, this thing is for
cassette only??"
I think the major change what Stephen does is replacing the op-amps with
better performing ones.

Enjoy your 700zxe!
_Fuad

P.S. Carlos, please count me in for the marathon-tape distribution..


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>

Good luck with it, Alan. What I have heard is that the 700 ZXE is more
reliable than its cousin ZXL. I sold both: the 1000 ZXL and the 700 ZXL as
well. Way expensive to keep them running properly.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Olan" <jazzao at primus.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:52 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Just acquired a 700ZXE


> Hi all,
>
> Just acquired a 700ZXE and will be sending it to Stephen for an
> overhaul.  Wanted to know if there are any other members who uses the
> deck.  How does the deck perform with recordings and playback?  Planning
> to archive my vinyl but also play some older tapes made on a Denon 3
> header and prerecorded cassettes.
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Alan
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 20 00:37:06 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:37:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <BAY2-F137Dkb9pPFR6s00033b48@hotmail.com>

Tom:
A better idea is to invite Charlese to dinner!


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:21:07 +1100
>
>Man I wish I had the money to do that, that sounds like a grand idea.
>
>	Tom in unpredictable Melbourne weather (rain one day, super hot the
>next).
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2004 5:07
>To: Isy Fidelman; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
>If we had any smarts at all we would have Carlos locate us a nice hotel in
>Puerto Rico for this time next year to get away from this terrible 
>northeast
>cold spell. Weather channel say's San Juan is at 85 degree's which I could
>very easily handle right now! ;-)
>
>John T. in bloody cold Delaware
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
>The idea of a New Marathon Tape sounds awesome....and the Nak convention is
>very attractive too.....
>Let's work them out.....what do you say guys???
>
>Isy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> > I already proposed a new set for this year. As you say; this is really
> > historic. If could pay all the loyalties involved in order to make it
>spread
> > around, I'm very sure we'll have enough funds for the first Nakamichi
> > Collector's Club convention. I'm very sure that even Stereophile would 
>be
> > interested to publish the story ... HA !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> >
> >
> > > I've woken up!   Yeah!  Marathon tape!  I'd probably like two copies
> > > myself - after all, this is historic, innit!
> > >
> > > What about another couple of volumes, or would you be too busy for
>another
> > > Marathon, Carlos?
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> > > > Sent: 18 January 2004 16:36
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from
> > > > Gra' in UK on
> > > > this, he must be sleeping.
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:51 PM
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Guys, you have to listen to this. It is a truly piece of good sound
>and
> > > > music compilation.
> > > >
> > > > Kudos to all of you who made this project happen.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
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From vferdman at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 00:56:29 2004
From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:56:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
In-Reply-To: <200401190116.i0J1G3ju022462@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20040119235629.30415.qmail@web61102.mail.yahoo.com>

Carlos, count me in for a set - it sounds great!

Vladimir



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> I need to know how many sets we are doing.
> 
> Carlos




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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Tue Jan 20 04:38:59 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:38:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <s00c5c92.086@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Richard,

Don't get caught up in not having a "classic 3-head Nakamichi".  You end with the best attitude to have; "music is music."  You are close to endorsing my motto:  "Enjoy the music!"  Hopefully, that is what this hobby/avocation is all about.  So I welcome you with this admonition; if you're enjoying the music, you're on the right path!

Relax and let the music wash over your being!

Kent Merideth

>>> richard.simpson at airways.co.nz 01/18/04 11:20PM >>>

Since becoming a subscriber to NakTalk several months ago I've been following the evolution of the Marathon Tape Project with increasing interest.
I can't stand it anymore! Any chance of getting a copy also???
 
I may only own a humble DR-3 and live in NZ but music is music!
 
Regards
 
Richard Simpson ( = lurker)
 
-----Original Message-----
From: KJ Bleus [mailto:kjbleus at charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 3:59 p.m.
To: naktalk at naks.com
Cc: KJ Bleus; Magnifico
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
 
Well, we have this list of Marathoners posted on the website:
 
USA, Canada & Caribbean: 15 recordings confirmed
 
Europe, Afrika & Southeast Asia: 11 recordings confirmed
 
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html
 
 
Maybe a minimum of thirty sets will be needed, and most likely some lurkers will also delight to an opportunity to have the music too :-}}
 
How many additional NakTalkers are interested in purchasing the Marathon Tape Project discs?
 
My thoughts - Its likely the names and their recordings on the webpages are not listed chronologically accurate.  We'll need to compare the final results to what we have on the webpages, and then do some updates.  Carlos, can you make any comparisons from the webpages with what you have mastered on the discs?
 
 
Regards,
 
Bleus
 
 
------------------------------

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:41 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <001301c3de4a$ba0a9df0$3a773242 at CopyTech>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I need to know how many sets we are doing.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Okay, get those stampers running! ;-) Funny, no response from Gra' in UK
on
> this, he must be sleeping.
>
> John T.
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 06:56:24 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:56:24 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <001d01c3df1a$23f9c0e0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Carlos,

Thanks for the information regarding costs for a set of the Marathon CDRs.....my $10.00 and shipping information is in the mail tomorrow.  I have been eagerly waiting to give this project a listen.  It sounds very exciting, and has inspired me to start considering my archives for a possible contribution to the next tape project.  I think your idea of sending separate tapes from all contributors makes a lot of sense.....much simpler, and faster.

By the way, in what part of PR is Luquillo located?  I have visited PR three times (most recently last Nov. for some scuba diving in La Parguera), but all I can find on my map is Puenta Luquillo up on the North-East end.  Is that near where you are?

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Jan 20 08:07:05 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:07:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Thanks to everyone who replied - Stephen has
	been in touch
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HI Alan,

That sounds interesting....what were Stephen's suggestions re decks for
you to consider.  It's been about two years since he made his favourites
known to us.

Cheers,

Marc

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From michael.martorana at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 20 00:23:25 2004
From: michael.martorana at ntlworld.com (Michael G Martorana)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:23:25 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <002f01c3dee3$3d962b60$c41b68d5@gigabyte>

Dear Carlo

I am the proud owner of three Nakamichi tapedecks (a 600, a LX-3 and a BX-300E) and would dearly like a copy of the your Marathon tape session.  Could I please have one sets of the CDs.  Would you please let me know how much it would cost to ship them to myself in Scotland UK

Dr Michael Martorana
21 North Erskine Park
Bearsden
G61 4LY
Scotland
UK

Thanking you in advance

Michael

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:47:42 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c3dee6$a1b64ff0$ac773242 at CopyTech>
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Gentlemen:

Since the response has been over-whelming, here're the instructions to receive a set:

1- We agree that the cost, including Priority Mail, is $10.00 per set in the US. Outside of US is a little bit more. Remember, we are not selling this, we are just covering the costs, as this is copyright material. 
2- What are the costs ? : Mailing, CDR's, Jewel Boxes, Mastering Time, Duplication, labor and labels. 
3- You'll be receiving 2 volumes and over 100 minutes in music from around the world.The sets are gonna include a "certificate of authentication" individually numbered and dated.
4- You have to be patient as all these sets are done manually.
5- Please, do not duplicate it. We don't want this project to be turn into an underground high end evaluation set. This is for our enjoyment only.
6- All members of this list are entitled to receive any sets you want.
7- Please send checks or money orders to:

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

All funds must be in US dollars.

8- Finally, since I'm receiving inquiries about it, and with the apologies to all the Nakkers, those who have Revox decks and want to be part o the Revox Files are welcome. Please reply off list to be part of it.

Thank you and farewell by now. We are making history and you are part of it.

Carlos 

----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:23 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution

> OK guys. All of you interested in receiving a set with a numbered
> authentication certificate must start sending your addresses to me 
> off-list.
> The sooner, the better. I'm happy with the results, I mean, 
> considering that
> the source came out of a cassette tape recorded in so many 
> different decks
> around the world ... we have accomplished a wonderful thing.
> 
> I have noticed that some of the contributors are no longer in the 
> list.Hopefully they answer soon.
> 
> As Bleus said; you can then transfer it to your cassette media. I 
> did a
> back-up copy on an open reel.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Carlos
> 


Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:41 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
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I need to know how many sets we are doing.

Carlos
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From FabFourFan at nme.com  Tue Jan 20 04:29:27 2004
From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:29:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes
In-Reply-To: <003701c3dd89$318650d0$5d773242@CopyTech>
References: <40085F0E.2070107@primus.com.au>
	<B6CA4BD4-488D-11D8-AC9A-000A9595EFBA@netvigator.com>
	<003701c3dd89$318650d0$5d773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <g18p00dh60gge06aimct9sk87bael4e4fo@4ax.com>

I'd like two sets, one for a gift, so please add my name to the list?
Thanks!  Mike Patrick   Dragon and 600II

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:05:29 -0800, Carlos, The Tape Man wrote:

>Ladies & the Gentlemen:
>
>Both Masters, Marathon Tape Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 are finally ready for
>duplication and distribution. Both has 10 selections and everybody was
>included. It is a piece of art thanks to the wonderful selections the
>participants made.
>




From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Tue Jan 20 11:02:30 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:02:30 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set
References: <s00bdc64.054@mail.anderson.edu><002f01c3debe$601b4be0$5a0310ac@Tado>
	<007c01c3dee6$a1b64ff0$ac773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <015101c3df3c$b82d1560$f1be7ad5@oemcomputer>

Hi Carlos

I think you may have created a monster here!
I hope every body appreciates the time, effort and resources
this sort of thing takes. Thanks for your efforts so far.

If I sent you $35 for two sets would the extra $15  cover shipping to the UK?

If not let me know.

Regards

Terry
terry at affinityaudio.com


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:47 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set


  Gentlemen:

  Since the response has been over-whelming, here're the instructions to receive a set:

  1- We agree that the cost, including Priority Mail, is $10.00 per set in the US. Outside of US is a little bit more. Remember, we are not selling this, we are just covering the costs, as this is copyright material. 
  2- What are the costs ? : Mailing, CDR's, Jewel Boxes, Mastering Time, Duplication, labor and labels. 
  3- You'll be receiving 2 volumes and over 100 minutes in music from around the world.The sets are gonna include a "certificate of authentication" individually numbered and dated.
  4- You have to be patient as all these sets are done manually.
  5- Please, do not duplicate it. We don't want this project to be turn into an underground high end evaluation set. This is for our enjoyment only.
  6- All members of this list are entitled to receive any sets you want.
  7- Please send checks or money orders to:

  Carlos J Guzman
  51 Calle Batey
  Luquillo, PR 00773

  All funds must be in US dollars.

  8- Finally, since I'm receiving inquiries about it, and with the apologies to all the Nakkers, those who have Revox decks and want to be part o the Revox Files are welcome. Please reply off list to be part of it.

  Thank you and farewell by now. We are making history and you are part of it.

  Carlos 


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From wjw at warwick.net  Tue Jan 20 12:34:26 2004
From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:34:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <19036069@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <400D1242.E378F8AC@warwick.net>

Hello Fred,
    If you want to do more than just a direct transfer of your vinyl to tape, I
would recommend Soundforge (now apparently owned by Sony) as a relatively
inexpensive way to clean up vinyl, 78s and even tape recordings:
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/products/default.asp

    The less expensive 6.0 version will suit your needs, and you'll also want the
Noise Reduction 2.0 plug-in.  The book available on using the 6.0 version would be
useful as well.
     I have the book that was put out for earlier versions, and it is very helpful
in getting you started using the software, as Soundforge is a very 'deep' program,
but simple once you get the hang of it.

     I've been using Soundforge for a few years now (the 4.5 and 6.0 versions).  I
find the 'click and crackle removal' in the Noise Reduction package to be very good
for cleaning up Lps.  I haven't tried it on 78s.  It's great for removing 'tape
hiss' from tapes you want to transfer to CD.

   Anyway, just thought I'd pass that info along.  Good luck and have fun!
            Bill

Fred Lifton wrote:

> Hello all,
> I've started recording the mixed tape "american music" for trading I thought of
> many months ago. Picking through old albums, tapes and CD's has got me thinking
> about the best way to get vinyl onto tape and disc. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it
> seems like vinyl playback gear is fading from the market faster than tapes and,
> of course, records are far less convenient than cassettes for playback. So, my
> question is this: as a dedicated Nakker, what would you go out and shop for if
> you wanted to buy a classic turntable set-up that you could use to transfer your
> vinyl to cassette and not spend an audiophile fortune. I can remember lusting
> for Luxman and B&) tables as a high-school electronics geek in the early 80's,
> but nowadays the Luxman's are rare and still frighteningly pricey and thhe B&O's
> just don't seem sturdy enough to last 25 years and still be worth the premium
> they usually fetch on ebay.
>
> At the risk of straying further off topic, I have a Sony PS-X5 that still works
> but makes some less-than-encouraging grinding sounds when it moves the tone-arm
> "automatically". It has a new cheapish ($65 us) Grado circa 1998 needle. I've
> seen the table on ebay selling for $65 us or so. Could I buy better now for a
> song?
>
> Fred Lifton
> Portland, OR
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 20 17:48:50 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:48:50 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <002f01c3dee3$3d962b60$c41b68d5@gigabyte>
Message-ID: <004301c3df75$487daf70$53773242@CopyTech>

By all means, Dr. I let you know the details later.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael G Martorana 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:23 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


  Dear Carlo

  I am the proud owner of three Nakamichi tapedecks (a 600, a LX-3 and a BX-300E) and would dearly like a copy of the your Marathon tape session.  Could I please have one sets of the CDs.  Would you please let me know how much it would cost to ship them to myself in Scotland UK

  Dr Michael Martorana
  21 North Erskine Park
  Bearsden
  G61 4LY
  Scotland
  UK

  Thanking you in advance

  Michael

  Message: 1
  Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:47:42 -0800
  From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Message-ID: <007c01c3dee6$a1b64ff0$ac773242 at CopyTech>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  Gentlemen:

  Since the response has been over-whelming, here're the instructions to receive a set:

  1- We agree that the cost, including Priority Mail, is $10.00 per set in the US. Outside of US is a little bit more. Remember, we are not selling this, we are just covering the costs, as this is copyright material. 
  2- What are the costs ? : Mailing, CDR's, Jewel Boxes, Mastering Time, Duplication, labor and labels. 
  3- You'll be receiving 2 volumes and over 100 minutes in music from around the world.The sets are gonna include a "certificate of authentication" individually numbered and dated.
  4- You have to be patient as all these sets are done manually.
  5- Please, do not duplicate it. We don't want this project to be turn into an underground high end evaluation set. This is for our enjoyment only.
  6- All members of this list are entitled to receive any sets you want.
  7- Please send checks or money orders to:

  Carlos J Guzman
  51 Calle Batey
  Luquillo, PR 00773

  All funds must be in US dollars.

  8- Finally, since I'm receiving inquiries about it, and with the apologies to all the Nakkers, those who have Revox decks and want to be part o the Revox Files are welcome. Please reply off list to be part of it.

  Thank you and farewell by now. We are making history and you are part of it.

  Carlos 

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
  Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:23 pm
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project Distribution

  > OK guys. All of you interested in receiving a set with a numbered
  > authentication certificate must start sending your addresses to me 
  > off-list.
  > The sooner, the better. I'm happy with the results, I mean, 
  > considering that
  > the source came out of a cassette tape recorded in so many 
  > different decks
  > around the world ... we have accomplished a wonderful thing.
  > 
  > I have noticed that some of the contributors are no longer in the 
  > list.Hopefully they answer soon.
  > 
  > As Bleus said; you can then transfer it to your cassette media. I 
  > did a
  > back-up copy on an open reel.
  > 
  > Regards,
  > 
  > Carlos
  > 


  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:41 -0800
  From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Message-ID: <001301c3de4a$ba0a9df0$3a773242 at CopyTech>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  I need to know how many sets we are doing.

  Carlos



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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 20 17:52:59 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:52:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set
References: <s00bdc64.054@mail.anderson.edu><002f01c3debe$601b4be0$5a0310ac@Tado><007c01c3dee6$a1b64ff0$ac773242@CopyTech>
	<015101c3df3c$b82d1560$f1be7ad5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <005c01c3df75$e05c9f40$53773242@CopyTech>

Hello Terry:

Please send me your address off list and I think that $15.00 is ok for both. If it is more, I'll cover it.

Best,

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Terence Finn 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set


  Hi Carlos

  I think you may have created a monster here!
  I hope every body appreciates the time, effort and resources
  this sort of thing takes. Thanks for your efforts so far.

  If I sent you $35 for two sets would the extra $15  cover shipping to the UK?

  If not let me know.

  Regards

  Terry
  terry at affinityaudio.com


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: El Magnifico 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:47 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set


    Gentlemen:

    Since the response has been over-whelming, here're the instructions to receive a set:

    1- We agree that the cost, including Priority Mail, is $10.00 per set in the US. Outside of US is a little bit more. Remember, we are not selling this, we are just covering the costs, as this is copyright material. 
    2- What are the costs ? : Mailing, CDR's, Jewel Boxes, Mastering Time, Duplication, labor and labels. 
    3- You'll be receiving 2 volumes and over 100 minutes in music from around the world.The sets are gonna include a "certificate of authentication" individually numbered and dated.
    4- You have to be patient as all these sets are done manually.
    5- Please, do not duplicate it. We don't want this project to be turn into an underground high end evaluation set. This is for our enjoyment only.
    6- All members of this list are entitled to receive any sets you want.
    7- Please send checks or money orders to:

    Carlos J Guzman
    51 Calle Batey
    Luquillo, PR 00773

    All funds must be in US dollars.

    8- Finally, since I'm receiving inquiries about it, and with the apologies to all the Nakkers, those who have Revox decks and want to be part o the Revox Files are welcome. Please reply off list to be part of it.

    Thank you and farewell by now. We are making history and you are part of it.

    Carlos 


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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 20 17:54:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:54:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <19036069@rosencrantz.reed.edu> <400D1242.E378F8AC@warwick.net>
Message-ID: <006301c3df76$17887660$53773242@CopyTech>

That's a more economical solution for you, Fred.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Wheatley" <wjw at warwick.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


> Hello Fred,
>     If you want to do more than just a direct transfer of your vinyl to
tape, I
> would recommend Soundforge (now apparently owned by Sony) as a relatively
> inexpensive way to clean up vinyl, 78s and even tape recordings:
> http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/products/default.asp
>
>     The less expensive 6.0 version will suit your needs, and you'll also
want the
> Noise Reduction 2.0 plug-in.  The book available on using the 6.0 version
would be
> useful as well.
>      I have the book that was put out for earlier versions, and it is very
helpful
> in getting you started using the software, as Soundforge is a very 'deep'
program,
> but simple once you get the hang of it.
>
>      I've been using Soundforge for a few years now (the 4.5 and 6.0
versions).  I
> find the 'click and crackle removal' in the Noise Reduction package to be
very good
> for cleaning up Lps.  I haven't tried it on 78s.  It's great for removing
'tape
> hiss' from tapes you want to transfer to CD.
>
>    Anyway, just thought I'd pass that info along.  Good luck and have fun!
>             Bill
>
> Fred Lifton wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > I've started recording the mixed tape "american music" for trading I
thought of
> > many months ago. Picking through old albums, tapes and CD's has got me
thinking
> > about the best way to get vinyl onto tape and disc. Maybe I'm mistaken,
but it
> > seems like vinyl playback gear is fading from the market faster than
tapes and,
> > of course, records are far less convenient than cassettes for playback.
So, my
> > question is this: as a dedicated Nakker, what would you go out and shop
for if
> > you wanted to buy a classic turntable set-up that you could use to
transfer your
> > vinyl to cassette and not spend an audiophile fortune. I can remember
lusting
> > for Luxman and B&) tables as a high-school electronics geek in the early
80's,
> > but nowadays the Luxman's are rare and still frighteningly pricey and
thhe B&O's
> > just don't seem sturdy enough to last 25 years and still be worth the
premium
> > they usually fetch on ebay.
> >
> > At the risk of straying further off topic, I have a Sony PS-X5 that
still works
> > but makes some less-than-encouraging grinding sounds when it moves the
tone-arm
> > "automatically". It has a new cheapish ($65 us) Grado circa 1998 needle.
I've
> > seen the table on ebay selling for $65 us or so. Could I buy better now
for a
> > song?
> >
> > Fred Lifton
> > Portland, OR
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From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr  Tue Jan 20 20:00:16 2004
From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (ymj.lombard)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:00:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Tri Tracer
Message-ID: <00d801c3df87$a47a3fc0$bc463251@lombard>

Hi,
Does anyone know if the 1000 Tri Tracer can fit in a Nakamichi System One rack? I never had a chance to see a 1000.
Another way to ask the question: does anyone know if the front cover of the 1000 tri tracer has the same dimensions as the front cover of a 600 cassette deck?

I'm considering buying a 1000 tri tracer, but it would be nice to be able to install it in my System One rack which has a spare slot in which fits a 600 deck.

Thank's for any answer
Kind regards
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From jazzao at primus.com.au  Tue Jan 20 20:20:44 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:20:44 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Thanks to everyone who replied - Stephen has	been in touch
Message-ID: <400D7F8C.80804@primus.com.au>

Marc,

Stephen recommended seeking out a CR7 for recording, the Dragon for 
playback of older cassettes made on other decks.  The ZXs he felt were 
not as good sounding due to the wiring.  Although he said that the 
700ZXE is one of his favourite as well.  I'm getting him to do some 
modification but not the all out mods.

Cheers
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Jan 20 20:29:32 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:29:32 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SP 7 spare ear cushions- Anybody knows where can one
	getit?
Message-ID: <23011032301422.23014222301103@vsnl.net>

Hi Joe 
your information is correct that this Radio Shack part fits SP-7 but there seems something about Grado SR60 cushions that Alan mentioned. It may be a better fit than this Radio shack part! Only problem is that SR 60 replacement Ear pads or Cushions cost about 20$ or more to get it in your hands while radio shack is about 3$!
While there are some suggestions regarding use of Synheiser Ear cushions to fit on to SR60 in one website- and I am yet to explore that suggestion. 
Currently I am using Radioshack part after cutting ot the central part of the cushion to remove any sound masking by this pad covering the center.
Thanks Ed Noys, Alan , Salim and Joe all of you who gave a helping hand in this issue
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: J Chojnowski <imemine2 at att.net>
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP 7 spare ear cushions- Anybody knows where can one getit?

> Hi kannan
> I don't know if this is going to help you where you are but Raido 
> Shackpart # 33-379 is a perfect fit for $2.99 US. Maybe we could 
> buy them
> here in the states and ship them to you
> 
> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=33-379
> 
> joe C
> 
> 
> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> > 
> > Hi
> > Can anybody help me get a spare Nak Headphone SP-7' ear cushions 
> ? Any shop or any internet site or anyother headphone cushions 
> that will fit this Headphones?
> > thanks in advance to all the responses
> > Did you guys notice 1000ZXL gold limited edition deck on ebay?
> > kannan
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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Tue Jan 20 20:46:28 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:46:28 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Tri Tracer
References: <00d801c3df87$a47a3fc0$bc463251@lombard>
Message-ID: <007901c3df8e$197bce00$314e7ad5@oemcomputer>

If you value your machines (certainly not a 1000, way to heavy) I would advise you to put nothing in a System One Rack
It was a mechanical disaster waiting to happen!!!

Terry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ymj.lombard 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 7:00 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Tri Tracer


  Hi,
  Does anyone know if the 1000 Tri Tracer can fit in a Nakamichi System One rack? I never had a chance to see a 1000.
  Another way to ask the question: does anyone know if the front cover of the 1000 tri tracer has the same dimensions as the front cover of a 600 cassette deck?

  I'm considering buying a 1000 tri tracer, but it would be nice to be able to install it in my System One rack which has a spare slot in which fits a 600 deck.

  Thank's for any answer
  Kind regards
  Yves


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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Tue Jan 20 19:19:51 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:19:51 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon project
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 21 04:22:17 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:22:17 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Tri Tracer
References: <00d801c3df87$a47a3fc0$bc463251@lombard>
Message-ID: <00c501c3dfcd$c62159b0$53773242@CopyTech>

I'm not sure, man, the 1000 is a big and heavy thing.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ymj.lombard 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:00 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Tri Tracer


  Hi,
  Does anyone know if the 1000 Tri Tracer can fit in a Nakamichi System One rack? I never had a chance to see a 1000.
  Another way to ask the question: does anyone know if the front cover of the 1000 tri tracer has the same dimensions as the front cover of a 600 cassette deck?

  I'm considering buying a 1000 tri tracer, but it would be nice to be able to install it in my System One rack which has a spare slot in which fits a 600 deck.

  Thank's for any answer
  Kind regards
  Yves


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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 21 04:32:30 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:32:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] DEADLINE
References: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <00f801c3dfcf$33e84430$53773242@CopyTech>

PLEASE NOTE THAT ORDERS FOR THE MARATHON TAPE DEADLINE IS THIS COMING FRIDAY
23. THIS IS GETTING COMPLICATED,SO, I'LL KINDLY ASK FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

THANKS,

CARLOS



From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 21 04:35:25 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:35:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Set for Wouter
References: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <00fc01c3dfcf$9c2d88c0$53773242@CopyTech>

Wouter:

On behalf of the Marathon Tape Maniacs we want to sent you a set as a gift
for your kind support. Please let me know your address off list. I'll cover
the expenses.

Carlos and the rest of the gang !



From icarus6 at telusplanet.net  Wed Jan 21 02:22:20 2004
From: icarus6 at telusplanet.net (Stanley Waterman)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:22:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D34F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000901c3dfbd$0499b0e0$6600a8c0@cg.shawcable.net>


Hello,
I am looking for a NR200 Nakamichi Noise reduction system, 120Volt 60Hz.
Does anyone have one for sale?
Stanley



From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 21 08:10:41 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:10:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D34F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<000901c3dfbd$0499b0e0$6600a8c0@cg.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <001701c3dfed$b37ddfc0$1d773242@CopyTech>

I have one in nice condition.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stanley Waterman" <icarus6 at telusplanet.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction


>
> Hello,
> I am looking for a NR200 Nakamichi Noise reduction system, 120Volt 60Hz.
> Does anyone have one for sale?
> Stanley
>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Jan 21 06:55:48 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:55:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Tri Tracer: Yves
Message-ID: <s00e3096.011@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Yves,

There is no practical commonality between the 1000 TT and the 600.  To
save on the explanation, a picture is worth a thousand words:

go to: www.naks.com 

and have a look at the pics as a comparison.  As the others have said,
the 1000 is very heavy and unsuitable for rack mounting.  Racks were
popular at one time and some naks have mounting "ears" for this purpose,
but I personally don't think you can beat an elegant stand.

Good luck

Marc

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From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Jan 21 14:42:38 2004
From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (hifiman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:42:38 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <AOEGLAGHDJLCCODIDLHBMEEACEAA.hifiman@dsl.pipex.com>





From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Jan 21 14:50:03 2004
From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (hifiman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:50:03 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
Message-ID: <AOEGLAGHDJLCCODIDLHBAEEBCEAA.hifiman@dsl.pipex.com>

As a committed Nak cassette fan, I have to admit to buying certain decks
just for the pleasure of ownership, or to see how good they really are
before seeling on.  I currently use a CR7.  This has stayed in prefenece to
a Dragon, which was sold on.  I have also owned BX-100, 125, 150, 300 at
various times..!  I remain curious about the ZX-7 & 9  and the 680, so these
are next on the list!

As far as the 680 goes, can anyone detail the differences between the 680
and the 680ZX?  Are these the only two models that ever offered the dual
speed option.  I have often hankered after the ability to make longer
unattended recordings of certain programs e.g spoken word...!


Cheers, Neale




From eviledsullivan at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 00:44:07 2004
From: eviledsullivan at yahoo.com (Evil Ed Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:44:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 help!
Message-ID: <20040121234407.32502.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all:
I have a BX-100 that has a VERY sluggish takeup spindle.  The rewind & fast forward are very sluggish as well.  In fact, in most of these functions, the spindles simply don't move at all.  I opened it up, and the belts and everything seems to be intact.  Any ideas?  I'm in the Chicago area if anyone wants to suggest a tech, though I hope this is something I can fix myself.
 
-KB


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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 01:07:24 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:07:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 help!
In-Reply-To: <20040121234407.32502.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040122000724.62712.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com>

You have the old rubber idler problem.
Go to my web page and scroll down to "Small Rubber
Idler Issue"
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html

Scott J.


--- Evil Ed Sullivan <eviledsullivan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello all:
> I have a BX-100 that has a VERY sluggish takeup
> spindle.  The rewind & fast forward are very
> sluggish as well.  In fact, in most of these
> functions, the spindles simply don't move at all.  I
> opened it up, and the belts and everything seems to
> be intact.  Any ideas?  I'm in the Chicago area if
> anyone wants to suggest a tech, though I hope this
> is something I can fix myself.
>  
> -KB
> 
> 
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Jan 22 11:10:32 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:10:32 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 help!
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D362@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Just out of curiosity why do you call yourself Evil Ed Sullivan?
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Evil Ed Sullivan [mailto:eviledsullivan at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 10:44 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 help!


Hello all:
I have a BX-100 that has a VERY sluggish takeup spindle.  The rewind & fast
forward are very sluggish as well.  In fact, in most of these functions, the
spindles simply don't move at all.  I opened it up, and the belts and
everything seems to be intact.  Any ideas?  I'm in the Chicago area if
anyone wants to suggest a tech, though I hope this is something I can fix
myself.
 
-KB



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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Jan 22 11:23:27 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:23:27 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D365@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Neale. The difference between the two models is that the ZX has the auto
azimuth alignment feature on the record head and the 680 does not. Apart
from that they are identical machines. I own a 680ZX and I still think that
it's a stunning looking machine.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: hifiman [mailto:hifiman at dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 12:50 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?


As a committed Nak cassette fan, I have to admit to buying certain decks
just for the pleasure of ownership, or to see how good they really are
before seeling on.  I currently use a CR7.  This has stayed in prefenece to
a Dragon, which was sold on.  I have also owned BX-100, 125, 150, 300 at
various times..!  I remain curious about the ZX-7 & 9  and the 680, so these
are next on the list!

As far as the 680 goes, can anyone detail the differences between the 680
and the 680ZX?  Are these the only two models that ever offered the dual
speed option.  I have often hankered after the ability to make longer
unattended recordings of certain programs e.g spoken word...!


Cheers, Neale


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From caldwell at cvtel.net  Thu Jan 22 14:41:20 2004
From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Scott Caldwell)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:41:20 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon tape
Message-ID: <400F7EA0.7247.1E473142@localhost>

Carlos,
I have already contacted you off list. My check is in the mail.

Thank you so much.

Scott Caldwell
MN



From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jan 22 19:47:15 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:47:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set
In-Reply-To: <007c01c3dee6$a1b64ff0$ac773242@CopyTech>
References: <s00bdc64.054@mail.anderson.edu>
	<002f01c3debe$601b4be0$5a0310ac@Tado>
	<007c01c3dee6$a1b64ff0$ac773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1074797235.40101ab36d91d@mail.ce.net>

Money is in the mail Carlos. Two sets with one for Stephen Sank.

Cheers,
John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Gentlemen:
> 
> Since the response has been over-whelming, here're the instructions to
> receive a set:
> 
> 1- We agree that the cost, including Priority Mail, is $10.00 per set in the
> US. Outside of US is a little bit more. Remember, we are not selling this, we
> are just covering the costs, as this is copyright material. 
> 2- What are the costs ? : Mailing, CDR's, Jewel Boxes, Mastering Time,
> Duplication, labor and labels. 
> 3- You'll be receiving 2 volumes and over 100 minutes in music from around
> the world.The sets are gonna include a "certificate of authentication"
> individually numbered and dated.
> 4- You have to be patient as all these sets are done manually.
> 5- Please, do not duplicate it. We don't want this project to be turn into an
> underground high end evaluation set. This is for our enjoyment only.
> 6- All members of this list are entitled to receive any sets you want.
> 7- Please send checks or money orders to:
> 
> Carlos J Guzman
> 51 Calle Batey
> Luquillo, PR 00773
> 
> All funds must be in US dollars.
> 
> 8- Finally, since I'm receiving inquiries about it, and with the apologies to
> all the Nakkers, those who have Revox decks and want to be part o the Revox
> Files are welcome. Please reply off list to be part of it.
> 
> Thank you and farewell by now. We are making history and you are part of
> it.
> 
> Carlos 





From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Thu Jan 22 20:26:33 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:26:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D365@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <004a01c3e11d$a753e420$a81d0cd0@r7g1f8>

Tom-

I've have a 680ZX as well and a friend has a CR7A.  I think the 680ZX
records and plays-back superior to the CR7 or the Dragon for that matter.
And yes it is a beautiful looking and performing machine.  Whadda you think
about this performance comparison?

Randall Greseth, Seattle,WA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: <hifiman at dsl.pipex.com>; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:23 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?


> Hi Neale. The difference between the two models is that the ZX has the
auto
> azimuth alignment feature on the record head and the 680 does not. Apart
> from that they are identical machines. I own a 680ZX and I still think
that
> it's a stunning looking machine.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hifiman [mailto:hifiman at dsl.pipex.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 12:50 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
>
>
> As a committed Nak cassette fan, I have to admit to buying certain decks
> just for the pleasure of ownership, or to see how good they really are
> before seeling on.  I currently use a CR7.  This has stayed in prefenece
to
> a Dragon, which was sold on.  I have also owned BX-100, 125, 150, 300 at
> various times..!  I remain curious about the ZX-7 & 9  and the 680, so
these
> are next on the list!
>
> As far as the 680 goes, can anyone detail the differences between the 680
> and the 680ZX?  Are these the only two models that ever offered the dual
> speed option.  I have often hankered after the ability to make longer
> unattended recordings of certain programs e.g spoken word...!
>
>
> Cheers, Neale
>
>
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Jan 22 22:18:44 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:18:44 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D366@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Well it's certainly up there with the ZX9 that I have. I make recordings on
this machine that sound absolutely incredible. Unfortunately I have not
heard or own a CR7 or Dragon (sniff), but I will take your word on it
Randall on sonic comparison. I was lucky with this unit because it was owned
by an elderly gentleman who hardly ever used it, when I received it the only
problem it suffered was the pinch roller arm was stuck. That was easily
fixed by me but looking inside the unit all of the electronics and mechanics
were still brand new looking. The meters are kinda cool too, although I have
a softspot for the 670's analog meters. 

	Well that's my opinion on the matter, Randall what does your friend
think of the 680ZX?

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com]
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2004 6:27 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?


Tom-

I've have a 680ZX as well and a friend has a CR7A.  I think the 680ZX
records and plays-back superior to the CR7 or the Dragon for that matter.
And yes it is a beautiful looking and performing machine.  Whadda you think
about this performance comparison?

Randall Greseth, Seattle,WA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: <hifiman at dsl.pipex.com>; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:23 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?


> Hi Neale. The difference between the two models is that the ZX has the
auto
> azimuth alignment feature on the record head and the 680 does not. Apart
> from that they are identical machines. I own a 680ZX and I still think
that
> it's a stunning looking machine.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hifiman [mailto:hifiman at dsl.pipex.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 12:50 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
>
>
> As a committed Nak cassette fan, I have to admit to buying certain decks
> just for the pleasure of ownership, or to see how good they really are
> before seeling on.  I currently use a CR7.  This has stayed in prefenece
to
> a Dragon, which was sold on.  I have also owned BX-100, 125, 150, 300 at
> various times..!  I remain curious about the ZX-7 & 9  and the 680, so
these
> are next on the list!
>
> As far as the 680 goes, can anyone detail the differences between the 680
> and the 680ZX?  Are these the only two models that ever offered the dual
> speed option.  I have often hankered after the ability to make longer
> unattended recordings of certain programs e.g spoken word...!
>
>
> Cheers, Neale
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan 23 03:00:49 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:00:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon tape
References: <400F7EA0.7247.1E473142@localhost>
Message-ID: <001801c3e154$b96ce5d0$78773242@CopyTech>

No problem.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Caldwell" <caldwell at cvtel.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:41 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon tape


> Carlos,
> I have already contacted you off list. My check is in the mail.
>
> Thank you so much.
>
> Scott Caldwell
> MN
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan 23 03:05:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:05:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set
References: <s00bdc64.054@mail.anderson.edu><002f01c3debe$601b4be0$5a0310ac@Tado><007c01c3dee6$a1b64ff0$ac773242@CopyTech>
	<1074797235.40101ab36d91d@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <003301c3e155$651635d0$78773242@CopyTech>

Thank you !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: How to acquire a set


> Money is in the mail Carlos. Two sets with one for Stephen Sank.
>
> Cheers,
> John T.
>
> Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>
> > Gentlemen:
> >
> > Since the response has been over-whelming, here're the instructions to
> > receive a set:
> >
> > 1- We agree that the cost, including Priority Mail, is $10.00 per set in
the
> > US. Outside of US is a little bit more. Remember, we are not selling
this, we
> > are just covering the costs, as this is copyright material.
> > 2- What are the costs ? : Mailing, CDR's, Jewel Boxes, Mastering Time,
> > Duplication, labor and labels.
> > 3- You'll be receiving 2 volumes and over 100 minutes in music from
around
> > the world.The sets are gonna include a "certificate of authentication"
> > individually numbered and dated.
> > 4- You have to be patient as all these sets are done manually.
> > 5- Please, do not duplicate it. We don't want this project to be turn
into an
> > underground high end evaluation set. This is for our enjoyment only.
> > 6- All members of this list are entitled to receive any sets you want.
> > 7- Please send checks or money orders to:
> >
> > Carlos J Guzman
> > 51 Calle Batey
> > Luquillo, PR 00773
> >
> > All funds must be in US dollars.
> >
> > 8- Finally, since I'm receiving inquiries about it, and with the
apologies to
> > all the Nakkers, those who have Revox decks and want to be part o the
Revox
> > Files are welcome. Please reply off list to be part of it.
> >
> > Thank you and farewell by now. We are making history and you are part of
> > it.
> >
> > Carlos
>
>
>
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Fri Jan 23 01:47:00 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:47:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D366@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001301c3e14a$6f36d5c0$831a0cd0@r7g1f8>

He agrees with me, it's just a cool, cool workhorse!!!

Randall
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?


> Well it's certainly up there with the ZX9 that I have. I make recordings
on
> this machine that sound absolutely incredible. Unfortunately I have not
> heard or own a CR7 or Dragon (sniff), but I will take your word on it
> Randall on sonic comparison. I was lucky with this unit because it was
owned
> by an elderly gentleman who hardly ever used it, when I received it the
only
> problem it suffered was the pinch roller arm was stuck. That was easily
> fixed by me but looking inside the unit all of the electronics and
mechanics
> were still brand new looking. The meters are kinda cool too, although I
have
> a softspot for the 670's analog meters.
>
> Well that's my opinion on the matter, Randall what does your friend
> think of the 680ZX?
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com]
> Sent: Friday, 23 January 2004 6:27
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
>
>
> Tom-
>
> I've have a 680ZX as well and a friend has a CR7A.  I think the 680ZX
> records and plays-back superior to the CR7 or the Dragon for that matter.
> And yes it is a beautiful looking and performing machine.  Whadda you
think
> about this performance comparison?
>
> Randall Greseth, Seattle,WA
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> To: <hifiman at dsl.pipex.com>; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'"
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
>
>
> > Hi Neale. The difference between the two models is that the ZX has the
> auto
> > azimuth alignment feature on the record head and the 680 does not. Apart
> > from that they are identical machines. I own a 680ZX and I still think
> that
> > it's a stunning looking machine.
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hifiman [mailto:hifiman at dsl.pipex.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 12:50 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
> >
> >
> > As a committed Nak cassette fan, I have to admit to buying certain decks
> > just for the pleasure of ownership, or to see how good they really are
> > before seeling on.  I currently use a CR7.  This has stayed in prefenece
> to
> > a Dragon, which was sold on.  I have also owned BX-100, 125, 150, 300 at
> > various times..!  I remain curious about the ZX-7 & 9  and the 680, so
> these
> > are next on the list!
> >
> > As far as the 680 goes, can anyone detail the differences between the
680
> > and the 680ZX?  Are these the only two models that ever offered the dual
> > speed option.  I have often hankered after the ability to make longer
> > unattended recordings of certain programs e.g spoken word...!
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Neale
> >
> >
> >
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From aon.912313296.1 at aon.at  Thu Jan 22 12:35:46 2004
From: aon.912313296.1 at aon.at (aon.912313296.1 at aon.at)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:35:46 +0100 (NFT)
Subject: [naktalk] NR-200 Manual
Message-ID: <1074771346.400fb592b7fbd@webmail.jet2web.at>

Hallo,

has anybody an NR-200 Owner Manual and maybe also a Service Manual for me - a copy or a scan ?

Thanks
Greetings from Vienna

Alexander

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From bobf at oodg.net  Thu Jan 22 23:49:29 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:49:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: What happened to deck prices?
Message-ID: <200401222248.ALP03353@ms9.verisignmail.com>

Does anyone know what happened to the deck prices at NAK.com?

I recently visited and could not find any pricing information.

Thank you,

Bob Folline






From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Jan 23 09:47:08 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:47:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
Message-ID: <s010fbb6.098@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Howzit Randall,

I have a 682ZX which is pretty much a 680ZX without the half-speed
option  but with both Dolby B and C.  I think that the 680 series are
fantastic machines, built to last, with simply superb sound.  The thing
about the CR7 is that it has a very useful and (to my experience) a very
accurate tape auto-calibration system.  The recordings have a different
sound to my 682ZX - being altogther sharper and very clean.  This not to
denigrate the 682ZXs level of clarity, it can't be faulted.  In a way,
the 680s are very balanced sounding with an organic richness (less lean
in the bass) that the newer CRs don't have.  The CR7 is very tolerant of
tape types.  If you really want to test the BASF Reference Maxima TPII
(somehow, rather low in coercivity in my hands, not sure if it is so on
paper), then put it in a CR7.  Then you will realise what all the fuss
is about - both for the CR7 and the TPII.  It's more than enough to make
my Plextor Plexwriter CD-RW keel over and die.  That is a powerhouse
combination.

But having said this about the CR7, fear not, I also believe the 682ZX
(I can only speak about this model with certaintly) is not inferior to
the CR-7.  Just different.  When it comes to resolving power, the 682ZX,
despite being able to calibrate it for any tape type very precisely,
prefers Maxell XLII-S out of the good type IIs.  It reveals every strand
of the music, making it a captivating listen.

On the Dragon., at least theoretically, as long as the NAAC is
functioning to spec, it renders a mechanically fautless playback of any
tape, regardless of where it was recorded.  How it's electronics sound
to your ear is another thing.  It's sound to my ears is a bit closer to
the 682ZX (presenting music as a cohesive whole) than the CR7's more
analytical rendition.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 01/22/04 09:26PM >>>
Tom-

I've have a 680ZX as well and a friend has a CR7A.  I think the 680ZX
records and plays-back superior to the CR7 or the Dragon for that
matter.
And yes it is a beautiful looking and performing machine.  Whadda you
think
about this performance comparison?

Randall Greseth, Seattle,WA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: <hifiman at dsl.pipex.com>; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:23 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?


> Hi Neale. The difference between the two models is that the ZX has
the
auto
> azimuth alignment feature on the record head and the 680 does not.
Apart
> from that they are identical machines. I own a 680ZX and I still
think
that
> it's a stunning looking machine.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hifiman [mailto:hifiman at dsl.pipex.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 12:50 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com 
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
>
>
> As a committed Nak cassette fan, I have to admit to buying certain
decks
> just for the pleasure of ownership, or to see how good they really
are
> before seeling on.  I currently use a CR7.  This has stayed in
prefenece
to
> a Dragon, which was sold on.  I have also owned BX-100, 125, 150, 300
at
> various times..!  I remain curious about the ZX-7 & 9  and the 680,
so
these
> are next on the list!
>
> As far as the 680 goes, can anyone detail the differences between the
680
> and the 680ZX?  Are these the only two models that ever offered the
dual
> speed option.  I have often hankered after the ability to make
longer
> unattended recordings of certain programs e.g spoken word...!
>
>
> Cheers, Neale
>
>
>
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>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Jan 23 10:03:31 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:03:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680/680ZX/CR-7/Dragon What's the Difference? (Randall)
Message-ID: <s010ff90.052@mroute.sunint.co.za>

>> Mark Hugo 01/23/04 10:47AM >>>

Howzit Randall,

I have a 682ZX which is pretty much a 680ZX without the half-speed
option  but with both Dolby B and C.  I think that the 680 series are
fantastic machines, built to last, with simply superb sound.  The thing
about the CR7 is that it has a very useful and (to my experience) a very
accurate tape auto-calibration system.  The recordings have a different
sound to my 682ZX - being altogther sharper and very clean.  This not to
denigrate the 682ZXs level of clarity, it can't be faulted.  In a way,
the 680s are very balanced sounding with an organic richness (less lean
in the bass) that the newer CRs don't have.  The CR7 is very tolerant of
tape types.  If you really want to test the BASF Reference Maxima TPII
(somehow, rather low in coercivity in my hands, not sure if it is so on
paper), then put it in a CR7.  Then you will realise what all the fuss
is about - both for the CR7 and the TPII.  It's more than enough to make
my Plextor Plexwriter CD-RW keel over and die.  That is a powerhouse
combination.

But having said this about the CR7, fear not, I also believe the 682ZX
(I can only speak about this model with certaintly) is not inferior to
the CR-7.  Just different.  When it comes to resolving power, the 682ZX,
despite being able to calibrate it for any tape type very precisely,
prefers Maxell XLII-S out of the good type IIs.  It reveals every strand
of the music, making it a captivating listen.

On the Dragon., at least theoretically, as long as the NAAC is
functioning to spec, it renders a mechanically fautless playback of any
tape, regardless of where it was recorded.  How it's electronics sound
to your ear is another thing.  It's sound to my ears is a bit closer to
the 682ZX (presenting music as a cohesive whole) than the CR7's more
analytical rendition.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 01/22/04 09:26PM >>>
Tom-

I've have a 680ZX as well and a friend has a CR7A.  I think the 680ZX
records and plays-back superior to the CR7 or the Dragon for that
matter.
And yes it is a beautiful looking and performing machine.  Whadda you
think
about this performance comparison?

Randall Greseth, Seattle,WA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: <hifiman at dsl.pipex.com>; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:23 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?


> Hi Neale. The difference between the two models is that the ZX has
the
auto
> azimuth alignment feature on the record head and the 680 does not.
Apart
> from that they are identical machines. I own a 680ZX and I still
think
that
> it's a stunning looking machine.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hifiman [mailto:hifiman at dsl.pipex.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 12:50 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com 
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
>
>
> As a committed Nak cassette fan, I have to admit to buying certain
decks
> just for the pleasure of ownership, or to see how good they really
are
> before seeling on.  I currently use a CR7.  This has stayed in
prefenece
to
> a Dragon, which was sold on.  I have also owned BX-100, 125, 150, 300
at
> various times..!  I remain curious about the ZX-7 & 9  and the 680,
so
these
> are next on the list!
>
> As far as the 680 goes, can anyone detail the differences between the
680
> and the 680ZX?  Are these the only two models that ever offered the
dual
> speed option.  I have often hankered after the ability to make
longer
> unattended recordings of certain programs e.g spoken word...!
>
>
> Cheers, Neale
>
>
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Jan 23 11:15:14 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:15:14 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: What happened to deck prices?
In-Reply-To: <200401222248.ALP03353@ms9.verisignmail.com>
References: <200401222248.ALP03353@ms9.verisignmail.com>
Message-ID: <13864.212.78.179.234.1074852914.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi!
I removed them since they were not updated anymore and i received a lot of
comments...
But you can see them here:

http://www.naks.com/removed_prices/

Last update was May 2003.


Wouter

> Does anyone know what happened to the deck prices at NAK.com?
>
> I recently visited and could not find any pricing information.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bob Folline
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan 23 18:16:54 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:16:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
References: <s010fbb6.098@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <002701c3e1d4$b3aafdf0$1f773242@CopyTech>

Very nice comparison, Marc, alas Stereophile. My experience is that many
things and variances are in play here and it just depends of the rest of the
systme you have, your acoustics, your tape quality, material recorded on and
your ears.

As you said: a perfect calibrated Dragon plays everything recorded anywhere
with just the push of a button.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?


> Howzit Randall,
>
> I have a 682ZX which is pretty much a 680ZX without the half-speed
> option  but with both Dolby B and C.  I think that the 680 series are
> fantastic machines, built to last, with simply superb sound.  The thing
> about the CR7 is that it has a very useful and (to my experience) a very
> accurate tape auto-calibration system.  The recordings have a different
> sound to my 682ZX - being altogther sharper and very clean.  This not to
> denigrate the 682ZXs level of clarity, it can't be faulted.  In a way,
> the 680s are very balanced sounding with an organic richness (less lean
> in the bass) that the newer CRs don't have.  The CR7 is very tolerant of
> tape types.  If you really want to test the BASF Reference Maxima TPII
> (somehow, rather low in coercivity in my hands, not sure if it is so on
> paper), then put it in a CR7.  Then you will realise what all the fuss
> is about - both for the CR7 and the TPII.  It's more than enough to make
> my Plextor Plexwriter CD-RW keel over and die.  That is a powerhouse
> combination.
>
> But having said this about the CR7, fear not, I also believe the 682ZX
> (I can only speak about this model with certaintly) is not inferior to
> the CR-7.  Just different.  When it comes to resolving power, the 682ZX,
> despite being able to calibrate it for any tape type very precisely,
> prefers Maxell XLII-S out of the good type IIs.  It reveals every strand
> of the music, making it a captivating listen.
>
> On the Dragon., at least theoretically, as long as the NAAC is
> functioning to spec, it renders a mechanically fautless playback of any
> tape, regardless of where it was recorded.  How it's electronics sound
> to your ear is another thing.  It's sound to my ears is a bit closer to
> the 682ZX (presenting music as a cohesive whole) than the CR7's more
> analytical rendition.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
> >>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 01/22/04 09:26PM >>>
> Tom-
>
> I've have a 680ZX as well and a friend has a CR7A.  I think the 680ZX
> records and plays-back superior to the CR7 or the Dragon for that
> matter.
> And yes it is a beautiful looking and performing machine.  Whadda you
> think
> about this performance comparison?
>
> Randall Greseth, Seattle,WA
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> To: <hifiman at dsl.pipex.com>; "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'"
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
>
>
> > Hi Neale. The difference between the two models is that the ZX has
> the
> auto
> > azimuth alignment feature on the record head and the 680 does not.
> Apart
> > from that they are identical machines. I own a 680ZX and I still
> think
> that
> > it's a stunning looking machine.
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hifiman [mailto:hifiman at dsl.pipex.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 12:50 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680 / 68ZX -what's the difference?
> >
> >
> > As a committed Nak cassette fan, I have to admit to buying certain
> decks
> > just for the pleasure of ownership, or to see how good they really
> are
> > before seeling on.  I currently use a CR7.  This has stayed in
> prefenece
> to
> > a Dragon, which was sold on.  I have also owned BX-100, 125, 150, 300
> at
> > various times..!  I remain curious about the ZX-7 & 9  and the 680,
> so
> these
> > are next on the list!
> >
> > As far as the 680 goes, can anyone detail the differences between the
> 680
> > and the 680ZX?  Are these the only two models that ever offered the
> dual
> > speed option.  I have often hankered after the ability to make
> longer
> > unattended recordings of certain programs e.g spoken word...!
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Neale
> >
> >
> >
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Fri Jan 23 16:20:57 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:20:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Maxell Xl II-90 High Bias Cassettes - 10 Two Packs
	(20 Cassettes) at CD Univers
Message-ID: <000901c3e1c4$86495ba0$311a0cd0@r7g1f8>

Hey Naktalk Friends--

Just ran into this super deal on the net.

Randall, Seattle, WA



 


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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Fri Jan 23 21:15:50 2004
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vernon T. Hanson)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:15:50 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Early Spring Cleaning Time
Message-ID: <BC36DD16.2114%cvshanson@sprintmail.com>

Its approaching spring-cleaning time and I have a number of items to sell on
E-Bay.  I wanted to let everybody on the Nak list know about the decks that
I will be selling first.  If anybody is interested in any of the following
decks please contact me off list.  I can send you pictures and more
information.
 
Nakamichi 500 - #355802
Original Owners Manual
Copy of Service Manual
Transport functions are all OK
Plays back on Left Ch. Only
Dolby does no light up
Tone generator indicates on left ch. Only
Motor noise in pause
Headphone jack needs replacement (I have part)
 
Nakamichi 500 - #356655
Copy of Owners Manual
Copy of Service Manual
Function switch on circuit board needs cleaning
Dirty faders
Records on both ch. ­ Plays back only on right ch.
Transport functions are all OK
 
Nakamichi 600-II - #05922
Original Owners Manual
Left meter light out
Transport functions are OK except for RR
RR is sluggish and comes to a stop before completing the tape
Dirty faders
Right ch. Records at 0 ­ Left is very low
Does not playback pre-recorded tapes properly ­ (Electronic problem)
 
Nakamichi 600 - #3824165
Original Owners Manual
Transport functions are all OK
Dirty faders
Records tone at 0 and plays back at ­3
 
Nakamichi BX-1 ­ Black - #38646
Original Owners Manual
Copy of Service Manual
Transport controls all working OK
Rewind was sluggish at first but worked fine after about a 10-minute warm-up
Recorded tone at 0 and plays back at 0 on the right ch. And ­10 on the left
 
Nakamichi BX-1 ­ Silver - #30828
Copy of Owners Manual
Copy of Service Manual
Transport controls all working OK
Rewind was sluggish at first but worked fine after about a 10-minute warm-up
Recorded tone at 0 and plays back at -5 on the right ch. And ­10 on the left
 
Cosmetically, these decks all have some nicks and scratches on them.  None
of the marks are major and I would consider them in the fair to good range
for appearance.  These decks have been sitting in my basement for the last
couple of years and I have not had the time to properly maintain them.
 
Please contact me if you have any questions or would like me to send you
some pictures.  I am intending on putting the decks on eBay in about a week
but would rather see them go to someone from the list if possible.  I will
entertain any reasonable offer.
 
Thanks for looking,
 
VideoVern
 

-- 
Vern Hanson
Custom Visual Services, Inc.
12812 16th Avenue
Suite 100
Burnsville, MN  55337-3745

(952) 895-0565 (Office #)
(612) 819-4295 (Nat. Cell #)

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan 24 01:47:01 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:47:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500
References: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <000d01c3e213$96449980$70773242@CopyTech>

Are anyone out there interested in a full working Nak 500? Good looking.
Asking $35.00

Carlos


From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan 24 02:29:40 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:29:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D352@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<005a01c3de3d$75e3f1b0$c88a5142@robertr6ldtnz6>
Message-ID: <001201c3e219$8a275880$70773242@CopyTech>

Again, and I know that this has been discussed here before, but I need to
know the difference btween a ZX 7 and a ZX 9 ?

Thanks.



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sat Jan 24 05:16:56 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:16:56 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D367@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

The ZX0 has a direct drive motor running the capstain and overall better
tolerance in the selection of electronic components, I think that's it from
memory.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, 24 January 2004 12:30 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


Again, and I know that this has been discussed here before, but I need to
know the difference btween a ZX 7 and a ZX 9 ?

Thanks.

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Jan 24 05:45:26 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:45:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk]ZX9 vs ZX7
Message-ID: <28001e227fcff1.27fcff128001e2@vsnl.net>

I do not remember seeing any specific mention about components being selected for ZX9. Nor when I looked inside a ZX9 I found any special component! 
ZX9 bias Oscillator/ Dolby circuits both have the dreaded Orange caps( many Orange caps inside!)  
Infact I was surprized about the crazy wiring. It is like a spider web and almost a nightmare for servicing. Also the presets for bias and level calibration were mounted on a fragile PCB. I never got any good impression of ZX9 particularly for its electronic circuit board and wiring arrangement. Dragon had evolved better out of ZX9 in the sense, ther is a neat layout and clean wiring - ofcourse they could be reduced considering somebody would pay 2500$ for a cassette deck ! But Dragon and finally CR7 had better PCB layout and design in terms of decent PCB design and wiring arrangement. CR7 has better arrangement for servicing like hinged daughter boards. 
So it is only DD motor which makes ZX9 different but that is a special very low wow and flutter one making ZX9 really special!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:16 pm
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape

> The ZX0 has a direct drive motor running the capstain and overall 
> bettertolerance in the selection of electronic components, I think 
> that's it from
> memory.
> 
> 	Tom.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Saturday, 24 January 2004 12:30 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
> 
> 
> Again, and I know that this has been discussed here before, but I 
> need to
> know the difference btween a ZX 7 and a ZX 9 ?
> 
> Thanks.
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan 24 10:20:31 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:20:31 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D367@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001101c3e25b$50ba16e0$37773242@CopyTech>

Thanks !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> The ZX0 has a direct drive motor running the capstain and overall better
> tolerance in the selection of electronic components, I think that's it
from
> memory.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Saturday, 24 January 2004 12:30 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
>
>
> Again, and I know that this has been discussed here before, but I need to
> know the difference btween a ZX 7 and a ZX 9 ?
>
> Thanks.
>
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Sat Jan 24 16:53:59 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:53:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] td-1200 II question
Message-ID: <40124EC7.7286.5B546E@localhost>

Hello!

I'm working on what may seem a hare-brained scheme and am looking 
for advice and/or information.  I have a TD-1200 II car am/fm/cassette 
machine that has been sitting lonely on the shelf for years, and I set it 
up on the bench recently to verify that it still works and yes, it still 
works.  I'd like to use the TD-1200 as the head unit and channel the 
output of a XM satellite receiver through it.

The TD-1200 has no external line inputs on it, but it does have an AM 
section that I don't need to use.  I should be able to patch into the 
circuitry and add my own line inputs in place of the AM connection, so 
that to listen to Satellite radio I just switch the Nak to 'AM'.

So, I have two questions: 
1. Does anyone see anything wrong with this approach?
2. Does anyone have a copy of the service manual with schematics?

I'd appreciate any technical information that you could share with me.

Thanks!
Tim



From prayasa at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 17:19:50 2004
From: prayasa at yahoo.com (Pramod Rayasa)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:19:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20040124161950.25554.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com>

Please remove me from the mailing list. I am getting everyone's e-mails and cludding up my mailbox!


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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Jan 24 17:58:22 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:58:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] td-1200 II question
Message-ID: <28d534a28d36be.28d36be28d534a@vsnl.net>


Considering that TD1200 is only a preamp unit and it anyway requires another poweramp to drive speakers, you can add awitching between the two - simplest arrangement to work on. But still using 1200' AM switch is a convenient one as use 1200 controls as it is directly driving a power amp. If you could get the service manual - it will show either a mechanical switch ( like a relay ) or electronic switch like 4066 CMOS switch found in Dragon cassette deck. Any such place you can remove the AM signal connection and introduce this XM Signal with one little concern for signal levels - use a preset 10K to 22K to adjust the signal level of XM source.
So look for the 1200 service manual first!
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: timbarrett at cox.net
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2004 7:53 am
Subject: [naktalk] td-1200 II question

> Hello!
> 
> I'm working on what may seem a hare-brained scheme and am looking 
> for advice and/or information.  I have a TD-1200 II car 
> am/fm/cassette 
> machine that has been sitting lonely on the shelf for years, and I 
> set it 
> up on the bench recently to verify that it still works and yes, it 
> still 
> works.  I'd like to use the TD-1200 as the head unit and channel 
> the 
> output of a XM satellite receiver through it.
> 
> The TD-1200 has no external line inputs on it, but it does have an 
> AM 
> section that I don't need to use.  I should be able to patch into 
> the 
> circuitry and add my own line inputs in place of the AM 
> connection, so 
> that to listen to Satellite radio I just switch the Nak to 'AM'.
> 
> So, I have two questions: 
> 1. Does anyone see anything wrong with this approach?
> 2. Does anyone have a copy of the service manual with schematics?
> 
> I'd appreciate any technical information that you could share with me.
> 
> Thanks!
> Tim
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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Sat Jan 24 21:23:53 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:23:53 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D352@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au><005a01c3de3d$75e3f1b0$c88a5142@robertr6ldtnz6>
	<001201c3e219$8a275880$70773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000a01c3e2b7$fcf73da0$be8ee2c3@fredporter>

ZX-9 had direct drive to the take-up capstan; it was also termed a
'super-tuend edition' so may have had some internal tweaking.  The lettering
etc on the fascia was gold as opposed to teh white of the 7.

Sinclair
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape


> Again, and I know that this has been discussed here before, but I need to
> know the difference btween a ZX 7 and a ZX 9 ?
>
> Thanks.
>
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jan 24 12:29:26 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:29:26 -0000
Subject: [naktalk]ZX9 vs ZX7
In-Reply-To: <28001e227fcff1.27fcff128001e2@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3e26d$5314f1a0$2368893e@oemcomputer>

As I recall, the promotional blurb claimed the components inside the ZX9
were hand-selected, or something like that, not necessarily that the put in
different components ... true or not, I wouldn't have thought it would make
much difference over time as the components deteriorated!

However, as Kannan points out, that wow and flutter IS special ... but most
people may never notice it UNLESS they record instruments that are
particularly sensitive to it - e.g. classical piano pieces  (and if their
source can match the ZX9 with equally good wow and flutter levels ...)  But
until you've heard really low wow and flutter I believe most people wouldn't
be dissatisfied!   (The revelation came to me when I first heard a slow
classical piano piece played on my old Goldring Lenco GL75 that I had been
used to heard on a Pink Triangle PT TOO.  The piano notes sounded more solid
and, therefore, more real on the GL's .... from hereon started my love
affair with the GL75 and 78 TTs ... although my Oracle Delphi probably
matches them in this respect .... that is, when the belt doesn't slip ... )

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 24 January 2004 04:45
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk]ZX9 vs ZX7
>
>
> I do not remember seeing any specific mention about components
> being selected for ZX9. Nor when I looked inside a ZX9 I found
> any special component!
> ZX9 bias Oscillator/ Dolby circuits both have the dreaded Orange
> caps( many Orange caps inside!)
> Infact I was surprized about the crazy wiring. It is like a
> spider web and almost a nightmare for servicing. Also the presets
> for bias and level calibration were mounted on a fragile PCB. I
> never got any good impression of ZX9 particularly for its
> electronic circuit board and wiring arrangement. Dragon had
> evolved better out of ZX9 in the sense, ther is a neat layout and
> clean wiring - ofcourse they could be reduced considering
> somebody would pay 2500$ for a cassette deck ! But Dragon and
> finally CR7 had better PCB layout and design in terms of decent
> PCB design and wiring arrangement. CR7 has better arrangement for
> servicing like hinged daughter boards.
> So it is only DD motor which makes ZX9 different but that is a
> special very low wow and flutter one making ZX9 really special!
> kannan
>
> -
>
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From bobf at oodg.net  Sat Jan 24 21:44:08 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:44:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Interface module
In-Reply-To: <BC36DD16.2114%cvshanson@sprintmail.com>
Message-ID: <200401242043.ALS58373@ms9.verisignmail.com>

I am looking for a source for the interface module to allow the Nakamichi
MB2 to be controlled from
the CA7A-II.
 
Does anyone have one of these modules or know where I can find one?
 
It has not been available from Nakamichi for many years.
 
Thanks,
 
Bob Folline
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From bobf at oodg.net  Sat Jan 24 21:52:09 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:52:09 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: What happened to deck prices?
In-Reply-To: <13864.212.78.179.234.1074852914.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <200401242051.ALS58946@ms9.verisignmail.com>

Thank you.

They may be out of date but still a good reference.

Seems the dragon prices are rising again.

Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Wouter Heijke
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 02:15
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: What happened to deck prices?

Hi!
I removed them since they were not updated anymore and i received a lot of
comments...
But you can see them here:

http://www.naks.com/removed_prices/

Last update was May 2003.


Wouter

> Does anyone know what happened to the deck prices at NAK.com?
>
> I recently visited and could not find any pricing information.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bob Folline
>
>
>
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Sat Jan 24 23:05:39 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:05:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] td-1200 II question
In-Reply-To: <28d534a28d36be.28d36be28d534a@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <4012A5E3.5173.1AF9A1C@localhost>

Found it!  There are a pair of 4066's in the remote tuner box which do 
the AM/FM/Tape audio path selection.  I'll add a pair of RCA jacks to 
the remote tuner box for the XM input.

> 
> Considering that TD1200 is only a preamp unit and it anyway requires
> another poweramp to drive speakers, you can add awitching between the
> two - simplest arrangement to work on. But still using 1200' AM switch
> is a convenient one as use 1200 controls as it is directly driving a
> power amp. If you could get the service manual - it will show either a
> mechanical switch ( like a relay ) or electronic switch like 4066 CMOS
> switch found in Dragon cassette deck. Any such place you can remove
> the AM signal connection and introduce this XM Signal with one little
> concern for signal levels - use a preset 10K to 22K to adjust the
> signal level of XM source. So look for the 1200 service manual first!
> kannan ----- Original Message ----- From: timbarrett at cox.net Date:
> Saturday, January 24, 2004 7:53 am Subject: [naktalk] td-1200 II
> question
> 
> > Hello!
> > 
> > I'm working on what may seem a hare-brained scheme and am looking
> > for advice and/or information.  I have a TD-1200 II car
> > am/fm/cassette machine that has been sitting lonely on the shelf for
> > years, and I set it up on the bench recently to verify that it still
> > works and yes, it still works.  I'd like to use the TD-1200 as the
> > head unit and channel the output of a XM satellite receiver through
> > it.
> > 
> > The TD-1200 has no external line inputs on it, but it does have an
> > AM section that I don't need to use.  I should be able to patch into
> > the circuitry and add my own line inputs in place of the AM
> > connection, so that to listen to Satellite radio I just switch the
> > Nak to 'AM'.
> > 
> > So, I have two questions: 
> > 1. Does anyone see anything wrong with this approach?
> > 2. Does anyone have a copy of the service manual with schematics?
> > 
> > I'd appreciate any technical information that you could share with
> > me.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Tim
> > 
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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Sun Jan 25 02:59:12 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:59:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-3
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040125025912.0136bc48@mail.sireconnect.de>

Hi Nakamaniacs,

I'm new to this list. I actually planned on silenly monitoring the list at
first, but ran into my first problem sooner than expected.
So sorry, if I'm failing on my first posting... I started browsing the
archive, but man, this is a huge task, and no helpful reference for my
problem yet...

I just bought an LX-3 on eBay which was supposed to be just serviced and
belt replaced. When I press start, it turns the tape around 1-2
millimeters, then switches to stop mode.
I took off the cover, and I'll try to describe what I found with the
english I know:
There's a brass wheel on the motor axis. I'll call it "motor". This is
driving a wheel with a rubber band on it (well, sounds like an idler, but
the LX-3 is supposed to be belt driven? I'll call it "idler" since I don't
know better), this again is driving two plastic wheels (which I'll name
left and right wheel :), which have a kind of slip coupling (to detect tape
ending I guess). Now the fast forward and reverse work fine, but when I
press on play, it seems like the left wheel is braking, so the right
(driven) wheel will slip and the tape stops.

I tried to turn the left wheel whith my fingers, and it gives a lot
resistance I believe. This is hard to describe, but I'll try anyway. If you
take a round marker pen between your lips an hold it so it doesn't fall out
and then turn that pen, its like that, maybe even a little more.
(I'm talking dry winter lips here, no grease, no spittle. Also, don't bite
the pen. Don't get me started on what I tried to describe the resistance
accurately ;)

Also, both wheels have quite clear scratch marks/dents (lighter grey than
the rest of the wheel) on them, like plastic parts of a model kit when you
break them out. Don't know if that's normal, but somehow on these parts I'd
believe that might be a sign for damage.

Maybe that shop did  something stupid like oiling the plastic parts? Or
might the coupling be to weak? Any hints?

In case I have to get it repaired:
Anyone on this list who knows where to get a Nak serviced in Germany
(Berlin would be perfect)?

Also, it's hard to find manuals for the LX-3. Anyone?
What I found are owner's manuals for the Dragon and the CR3E-4E (dutch), if
anyone's interested.

Any help appreciated, many thanks in advance, JO

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 25 10:41:38 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:41:38 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
References: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001801c3e327$74671c10$1d773242@CopyTech>

Good morning !

It is 1:30 A.M. in Puerto Rico and I just finished duplicating the CDR's for
the Marathon Set.

The following names has submitted their funds and their sets are en-route:

Ti Kan : Honored with set # 04-001 Opening Set
Joe Chojnowski: Sets # 04-002 & 04-003
Vladimir
Kannan

Thanks for the notes of encouragement enclosed in the envelopes. With all
honesty, I didn't expect so much work but I have enjoyed it.

Best,

Carlos going to the bed now ...




From ti at amb.org  Sun Jan 25 10:25:14 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:25:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
In-Reply-To: <001801c3e327$74671c10$1d773242@CopyTech> from "El Magnifico" at
	Jan 25, 2004 01:41:38 AM
Message-ID: <200401250925.JAA18930@amb.org>

El Magnifico writes:
> The following names has submitted their funds and their sets are en-route:
> 
> Ti Kan : Honored with set # 04-001 Opening Set

Wow!  I am definitely honored and thank you so very much for your
efforts!

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6


From timbarrett at cox.net  Mon Jan 26 01:21:45 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:21:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-3
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040125025912.0136bc48@mail.sireconnect.de>
Message-ID: <40141749.16466.24D63F8@localhost>

Hi jo-

In your LX-3 there are two capstan shafts that are responsible for moving the tape.  The 
capstans are chrome plated shafts which flank the head base assembly, and below each 
capstan is a black rubber pinch roller.  The left and right reel tables (I think you are calling 
them 'wheels') are the ones that poke through the tape hubs of the cassette.  In play, while the 
capstans pull the tape from left to right, the leftmost reel table (the supply reel) has a little bit of 
back tension on it to keep the supply tape from getting slack, and the rightmost reel table pulls 
gently on the tape to spool it back up on the right side.  

If you remove the cover from the cassette door, you will be able to interact a little bit with the 
transport for troubleshooting purposes.  Remove the silver plastic cassette door by pushing 
the eject button to open the cassette well, then slide the plastic door up and off of it's metal 
frame.  Then push the metal frame back into place without a tape.  Now, when you push the 
play button, the heads and pinch rollers should come up into the play position, the capstans 
should rotate, and the rightmost reel table should rotate counter-clockwise.  The tape counter 
should be advancing and the deck should stay in this mode indefinitely.

While in this mode, you can reach in and spin the leftmost reel table with your fingers.  You 
should feel a little bit of resistance, but it should spin relatively easily.  You can also grab the 
rightmost reel table and feel how much rotational force it has.  The right reel table should be 
rotating with noticeably more force than it took to spin the left reel table.  If you grab the right 
reel table hard enough to stop it, the deck should go into Stop mode and the heads should 
retract.

If the capstans are not rotating, this would explain your problem, because that would mean the 
tape would not move and therefore, the right reel table can't turn to take up the tape.

The auto shutoff mechanism is indexed to the right reel table.  When the right reel table stops, 
the deck goes into Stop mode.  The tape counter is also indexed to the right reel table.  The 
faster the right reel spins, the faster the tape counter advances.

I believe that the idler you referred to in your email is the one in the center, between the two 
reel tables.  It is responsible for providing the motive force to the reels for rewind, fast forward, 
and for the take-up tension in play mode.  Both reel tables have built in friction clutches.

If your capstans are not rotating, it could be that the capstan drive belt has broken or slipped 
off, or it could mean that the motor is not turning.

I hope this helps.  Let us know what you find.

Tim


> Hi Nakamaniacs,
> 
> I'm new to this list. I actually planned on silenly monitoring the
> list at first, but ran into my first problem sooner than expected. So
> sorry, if I'm failing on my first posting... I started browsing the
> archive, but man, this is a huge task, and no helpful reference for my
> problem yet...
> 
> I just bought an LX-3 on eBay which was supposed to be just serviced
> and belt replaced. When I press start, it turns the tape around 1-2
> millimeters, then switches to stop mode. I took off the cover, and
> I'll try to describe what I found with the english I know: There's a
> brass wheel on the motor axis. I'll call it "motor". This is driving a
> wheel with a rubber band on it (well, sounds like an idler, but the
> LX-3 is supposed to be belt driven? I'll call it "idler" since I don't
> know better), this again is driving two plastic wheels (which I'll
> name left and right wheel :), which have a kind of slip coupling (to
> detect tape ending I guess). Now the fast forward and reverse work
> fine, but when I press on play, it seems like the left wheel is
> braking, so the right (driven) wheel will slip and the tape stops.
> 
> I tried to turn the left wheel whith my fingers, and it gives a lot
> resistance I believe. This is hard to describe, but I'll try anyway.
> If you take a round marker pen between your lips an hold it so it
> doesn't fall out and then turn that pen, its like that, maybe even a
> little more. (I'm talking dry winter lips here, no grease, no spittle.
> Also, don't bite the pen. Don't get me started on what I tried to
> describe the resistance accurately ;)
> 
> Also, both wheels have quite clear scratch marks/dents (lighter grey
> than the rest of the wheel) on them, like plastic parts of a model kit
> when you break them out. Don't know if that's normal, but somehow on
> these parts I'd believe that might be a sign for damage.
> 
> Maybe that shop did  something stupid like oiling the plastic parts?
> Or might the coupling be to weak? Any hints?
> 
> In case I have to get it repaired:
> Anyone on this list who knows where to get a Nak serviced in Germany
> (Berlin would be perfect)?
> 
> Also, it's hard to find manuals for the LX-3. Anyone?
> What I found are owner's manuals for the Dragon and the CR3E-4E
> (dutch), if anyone's interested.
> 
> Any help appreciated, many thanks in advance, JO
> 
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From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 01:34:31 2004
From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (fredmoss at totalise.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:34:31 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!
Message-ID: <E1Akuhz-000I4u-75@webm6.global.net.uk>

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 26 07:46:26 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:46:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!
References: <E1Akuhz-000I4u-75@webm6.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <004d01c3e3d8$1f6e0190$c9773242@CopyTech>

Another 1000 ZXL dead. That eprom is no longer in existance. I believe Stephen still have a couple of those. He bought all the remaining 4 from B&W, I think. He installed one in mine but the machine kept breaking other things until I got tired of wasting money. 

I thought it wasn't that bad until I was asked $1,600- $ 2,000 by another tech. in order to re-furbish her,so, go figures ! The problem get worst because nobody wants to deal with the ZXL models anymore. Besides Sank and Galin, nobody else wants to take the risk.


Carlos


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:34 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!


  Dear Naktalkers, I wish to dispose of my Broken 1000zxl (in piano black cabinet) to a good home. The computer logic is faulty and will probably require some new chip that is hard to find. The machine was previouly maintained to the highest standards by B&W in sussex. Any offer will be considered otherwise I will put it on ebay. Also have outboard noise reduction units (dolby b/c, dolbyc and High com) It is in London and i need the space!

  Fred



  On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:21 , timbarrett at cox.net sent:


    Hi jo- 

    In your LX-3 there are two capstan shafts that are responsible for moving the tape. The 
    capstans are chrome plated shafts which flank the head base assembly, and below each 
    capstan is a black rubber pinch roller. The left and right reel tables (I think you are calling 
    them 'wheels') are the ones that poke through the tape hubs of the cassette. In play, while the 
    capstans pull the tape from left to right, the leftmost reel table (the supply reel) has a little bit of 
    back tension on it to keep the supply tape from getting slack, and the rightmost reel table pulls 
    gently on the tape to spool it back up on the right side. 

    If you remove the cover from the cassette door, you will be able to interact a little bit with the 
    transport for troubleshooting purposes. Remove the silver plastic cassette door by pushing 
    the eject button to open the cassette well, then slide the plastic door up and off of it's metal 
    frame. Then push the metal frame back into place without a tape. Now, when you push the 
    play button, the heads and pinch rollers should come up into the play position, the capstans 
    should rotate, and the rightmost reel table should rotate counter-clockwise. The tape counter 
    should be advancing and the deck should stay in this mode indefinitely. 

    While in this mode, you can reach in and spin the leftmost reel table with your fingers. You 
    should feel a little bit of resistance, but it should spin relatively easily. You can also grab the 
    rightmost reel table and feel how much rotational force it has. The right reel table should be 
    rotating with noticeably more force than it took to spin the left reel table. If you grab the right 
    reel table hard enough to stop it, the deck should go into Stop mode and the heads should 
    retract. 

    If the capstans are not rotating, this would explain your problem, because that would mean the 
    tape would not move and therefore, the right reel table can't turn to take up the tape. 

    The auto shutoff mechanism is indexed to the right reel table. When the right reel table stops, 
    the deck goes into Stop mode. The tape counter is also indexed to the right reel table. The 
    faster the right reel spins, the faster the tape counter advances. 

    I believe that the idler you referred to in your email is the one in the center, between the two 
    reel tables. It is responsible for providing the motive force to the reels for rewind, fast forward, 
    and for the take-up tension in play mode. Both reel tables have built in friction clutches. 

    If your capstans are not rotating, it could be that the capstan drive belt has broken or slipped 
    off, or it could mean that the motor is not turning. 

    I hope this helps. Let us know what you find. 

    Tim 


    > Hi Nakamaniacs, 
    > 
    > I'm new to this list. I actually planned on silenly monitoring the 
    > list at first, but ran into my first problem sooner than expected. So 
    > sorry, if I'm failing on my first posting... I started browsing the 
    > archive, but man, this is a huge task, and no helpful reference for my 
    > problem yet... 
    > 
    > I just bought an LX-3 on eBay which was supposed to be just serviced 
    > and belt replaced. When I press start, it turns the tape around 1-2 
    > millimeters, then switches to stop mode. I took off the cover, and 
    > I'll try to describe what I found with the english I know: There's a 
    > brass wheel on the motor axis. I'll call it "motor". This is driving a 
    > wheel with a rubber band on it (well, sounds like an idler, but the 
    > LX-3 is supposed to be belt driven? I'll call it "idler" since I don't 
    > know better), this again is driving two plastic wheels (which I'll 
    > name left and right wheel :), which have a kind of slip coupling (to 
    > detect tape ending I guess). Now the fast forward and reverse work 
    > fine, but when I press on play, it seems like the left wheel is 
    > braking, so the right (driven) wheel will slip and the tape stops. 
    > 
    > I tried to turn the left wheel whith my fingers, and it gives a lot 
    > resistance I believe. This is hard to describe, but I'll try anyway. 
    > If you take a round marker pen between your lips an hold it so it 
    > doesn't fall out and then turn that pen, its like that, maybe even a 
    > little more. (I'm talking dry winter lips here, no grease, no spittle. 
    > Also, don't bite the pen. Don't get me started on what I tried to 
    > describe the resistance accurately ;) 
    > 
    > Also, both wheels have quite clear scratch marks/dents (lighter grey 
    > than the rest of the wheel) on them, like plastic parts of a model kit 
    > when you break them out. Don't know if that's normal, but somehow on 
    > these parts I'd believe that might be a sign for damage. 
    > 
    > Maybe that shop did something stupid like oiling the plastic parts? 
    > Or might the coupling be to weak? Any hints? 
    > 
    > In case I have to get it repaired: 
    > Anyone on this list who knows where to get a Nak serviced in Germany 
    > (Berlin would be perfect)? 
    > 
    > Also, it's hard to find manuals for the LX-3. Anyone? 
    > What I found are owner's manuals for the Dragon and the CR3E-4E 
    > (dutch), if anyone's interested. 
    > 
    > Any help appreciated, many thanks in advance, JO 
    > 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Jan 26 03:52:24 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:52:24 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-3
Message-ID: <29679f82967960.296796029679f8@vsnl.net>


Tim 
your explanation is excellent and I also think that capstan not rotating can be the reason for stoppage in play mode( because FF and Rew depends on reel movement and they work). It could also mean that the mode gear at the back of the mechanism may not have reached correct spot( if belt is fine). The entire mechanism is similar to 582 and there is a preset to adjust the position of Mode Cam in play mode or atleast verify whether that works by looking at the mode cam marker.This work requires 582 service manual or 480 service manual as the mechanism working and alignment is explained. I have a copy of Naks FTP manuals  with me but the size is huge in MB' and if joe has a mail box capable of handling it I can send it for him to look and understand the reason for his LX3 problem. So Jo let me know.
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: timbarrett at cox.net
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with LX-3

> Hi jo-
> 
> In your LX-3 there are two capstan shafts that are responsible for 
> moving the tape.  The 
> capstans are chrome plated shafts which flank the head base 
> assembly, and below each 
> capstan is a black rubber pinch roller.  The left and right reel 
> tables (I think you are calling 
> them 'wheels') are the ones that poke through the tape hubs of the 
> cassette.  In play, while the 
> capstans pull the tape from left to right, the leftmost reel table 
> (the supply reel) has a little bit of 
> back tension on it to keep the supply tape from getting slack, and 
> the rightmost reel table pulls 
> gently on the tape to spool it back up on the right side.  
> 
> If you remove the cover from the cassette door, you will be able 
> to interact a little bit with the 
> transport for troubleshooting purposes.  Remove the silver plastic 
> cassette door by pushing 
> the eject button to open the cassette well, then slide the plastic 
> door up and off of it's metal 
> frame.  Then push the metal frame back into place without a tape.  
> Now, when you push the 
> play button, the heads and pinch rollers should come up into the 
> play position, the capstans 
> should rotate, and the rightmost reel table should rotate counter-
> clockwise.  The tape counter 
> should be advancing and the deck should stay in this mode 
> indefinitely.
> While in this mode, you can reach in and spin the leftmost reel 
> table with your fingers.  You 
> should feel a little bit of resistance, but it should spin 
> relatively easily.  You can also grab the 
> rightmost reel table and feel how much rotational force it has.  
> The right reel table should be 
> rotating with noticeably more force than it took to spin the left 
> reel table.  If you grab the right 
> reel table hard enough to stop it, the deck should go into Stop 
> mode and the heads should 
> retract.
> 
> If the capstans are not rotating, this would explain your problem, 
> because that would mean the 
> tape would not move and therefore, the right reel table can't turn 
> to take up the tape.
> 
> The auto shutoff mechanism is indexed to the right reel table.  
> When the right reel table stops, 
> the deck goes into Stop mode.  The tape counter is also indexed to 
> the right reel table.  The 
> faster the right reel spins, the faster the tape counter advances.
> 
> I believe that the idler you referred to in your email is the one 
> in the center, between the two 
> reel tables.  It is responsible for providing the motive force to 
> the reels for rewind, fast forward, 
> and for the take-up tension in play mode.  Both reel tables have 
> built in friction clutches.
> 
> If your capstans are not rotating, it could be that the capstan 
> drive belt has broken or slipped 
> off, or it could mean that the motor is not turning.
> 
> I hope this helps.  Let us know what you find.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> > Hi Nakamaniacs,
> > 
> > I'm new to this list. I actually planned on silenly monitoring the
> > list at first, but ran into my first problem sooner than 
> expected. So
> > sorry, if I'm failing on my first posting... I started browsing the
> > archive, but man, this is a huge task, and no helpful reference 
> for my
> > problem yet...
> > 
> > I just bought an LX-3 on eBay which was supposed to be just serviced
> > and belt replaced. When I press start, it turns the tape around 
> 1-2
> > millimeters, then switches to stop mode. I took off the cover, and
> > I'll try to describe what I found with the english I know: 
> There's a
> > brass wheel on the motor axis. I'll call it "motor". This is 
> driving a
> > wheel with a rubber band on it (well, sounds like an idler, but the
> > LX-3 is supposed to be belt driven? I'll call it "idler" since I 
> don't> know better), this again is driving two plastic wheels 
> (which I'll
> > name left and right wheel :), which have a kind of slip coupling (to
> > detect tape ending I guess). Now the fast forward and reverse work
> > fine, but when I press on play, it seems like the left wheel is
> > braking, so the right (driven) wheel will slip and the tape stops.
> > 
> > I tried to turn the left wheel whith my fingers, and it gives a lot
> > resistance I believe. This is hard to describe, but I'll try anyway.
> > If you take a round marker pen between your lips an hold it so it
> > doesn't fall out and then turn that pen, its like that, maybe 
> even a
> > little more. (I'm talking dry winter lips here, no grease, no 
> spittle.> Also, don't bite the pen. Don't get me started on what I 
> tried to
> > describe the resistance accurately ;)
> > 
> > Also, both wheels have quite clear scratch marks/dents (lighter grey
> > than the rest of the wheel) on them, like plastic parts of a 
> model kit
> > when you break them out. Don't know if that's normal, but 
> somehow on
> > these parts I'd believe that might be a sign for damage.
> > 
> > Maybe that shop did  something stupid like oiling the plastic parts?
> > Or might the coupling be to weak? Any hints?
> > 
> > In case I have to get it repaired:
> > Anyone on this list who knows where to get a Nak serviced in Germany
> > (Berlin would be perfect)?
> > 
> > Also, it's hard to find manuals for the LX-3. Anyone?
> > What I found are owner's manuals for the Dragon and the CR3E-4E
> > (dutch), if anyone's interested.
> > 
> > Any help appreciated, many thanks in advance, JO
> > 
> > +----------------------------------------------------------------+
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> | | /
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Mon Jan 26 05:24:44 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:24:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!
In-Reply-To: <004d01c3e3d8$1f6e0190$c9773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <4014503C.23699.32BD8F2@localhost>

What a shame that parts obsolescence should render such a machine 
unfixable.  This is a problem that I face at work more and more often 
lately, and it is truly annoying.

I am not familiar enough with the electronics of the ZXL series to know 
which particular EPROM is the one in question.  Is it that the raw part is 
no longer available, or is it that the program to download into it is not 
available?  Has anyone tried to get the program in file form?

Tim

> 
> Another 1000 ZXL dead. That eprom is no longer in existance. I believe
> Stephen still have a couple of those. He bought all the remaining 4
> from B&W, I think. He installed one in mine but the machine kept
> breaking other things until I got tired of wasting money. 
> 
> I thought it wasn't that bad until I was asked $1,600- $2,000
> byanother tech.in order to re- furbish her,so, go figures ! The
> problem get worst because nobody wants to deal with the ZXL models
> anymore. Besides Sank and Galin, nobody else wants to take the risk.
> 
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:34 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!
> 
> Dear Naktalkers, I wish to dispose of my Broken 1000zxl (in piano
> black cabinet) to a good home. The computer logic is faulty and will
> probably require some new chip that is hard to find. The machine was
> previouly maintained to the highest standards by B&W in sussex. Any
> offer will be considered otherwise I will put it on ebay. Also have
> outboard noise reduction units (dolby b/c, dolbyc and High com) It is
> in London and i need the space!
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:21 , timbarrett at cox.net sent:
> 
> Hi jo- 
> 
> In your LX-3 there are two capstan shafts that are responsible for
> moving the tape. The capstans are chrome plated shafts which flank the
> head base assembly, and below each capstan is a black rubber pinch
> roller. The left and right reel tables (I think you are calling them
> 'wheels') are the ones that poke through the tape hubs of the
> cassette. In play, while the capstans pull the tape from left to
> right, the leftmost reel table (the supply reel) has a little bit of
> back tension on it to keep the supply tape from getting slack, and the
> rightmost reel table pulls gently on the tape to spool it back up on
> the right side. 
> 
> If you remove the cover from the cassette door, you will be able to
> interact a little bit with the transport for troubleshooting purposes.
> Remove the silver plastic cassette door by pushing the eject button to
> open the cassette well, then slide the plastic door up and off of it's
> metal frame. Then push the metal frame back into place without a tape.
> Now, when you push the play button, the heads and pinch rollers should
> come up into the play position, the capstans should rotate, and the
> rightmost reel table should rotate counter-clockwise. The tape counter
> should be advancing and the deck should stay in this mode
> indefinitely. 
> 
> While in this mode, you can reach in and spin the leftmost reel table
> with your fingers. You should feel a little bit of resistance, but it
> should spin relatively easily. You can also grab the rightmost reel
> table and feel how much rotational force it has. The right reel table
> should be rotating with noticeably more force than it took to spin the
> left reel table. If you grab the right reel table hard enough to stop
> it, the deck should go into Stop mode and the heads should retract. 
> 
> If the capstans are not rotating, this would explain your problem,
> because that would mean the tape would not move and therefore, the
> right reel table can't turn to take up the tape. 
> 
> The auto shutoff mechanism is indexed to the right reel table. When
> the right reel table stops, the deck goes into Stop mode. The tape
> counter is also indexed to the right reel table. The faster the right
> reel spins, the faster the tape counter advances. 
> 
> I believe that the idler you referred to in your email is the one in
> the center, between the two reel tables. It is responsible for
> providing the motive force to the reels for rewind, fast forward, and
> for the take-up tension in play mode. Both reel tables have built in
> friction clutches. 
> 
> If your capstans are not rotating, it could be that the capstan drive
> belt has broken or slipped off, or it could mean that the motor is not
> turning. 
> 
> I hope this helps. Let us know what you find. 
> 
> Tim 
> 
> 
> > Hi Nakamaniacs, 
> > 
> > I'm new to this list. I actually planned on silenly monitoring the
> > list at first, but ran into my first problem sooner than expected.
> > So sorry, if I'm failing on my first posting... I started browsing
> > the archive, but man, this is a huge task, and no helpful reference
> > for my problem yet... 
> > 
> > I just bought an LX-3 on eBay which was supposed to be just serviced
> > and belt replaced. When I press start, it turns the tape around 1-2
> > millimeters, then switches to stop mode. I took off the cover, and
> > I'll try to describe what I found with the english I know: There's a
> > brass wheel on the motor axis. I'll call it "motor". This is driving
> > a wheel with a rubber band on it (well, sounds like an idler, but
> > the LX-3 is supposed to be belt driven? I'll call it "idler" since I
> > don't know better), this again is driving two plastic wheels (which
> > I'll name left and right wheel :), which have a kind of slip
> > coupling (to detect tape ending I guess). Now the fast forward and
> > reverse work fine, but when I press on play, it seems like the left
> > wheel is braking, so the right (driven) wheel will slip and the tape
> > stops. 
> > 
> > I tried to turn the left wheel whith my fingers, and it gives a lot
> > resistance I believe. This is hard to describe, but I'll try anyway.
> > If you take a round marker pen between your lips an hold it so it
> > doesn't fall out and then turn that pen, its like that, maybe even a
> > little more. (I'm talking dry winter lips here, no grease, no
> > spittle. Also, don't bite the pen. Don't get me started on what I
> > tried to describe the resistance accurately ;) 
> > 
> > Also, both wheels have quite clear scratch marks/dents (lighter grey
> > than the rest of the wheel) on them, like plastic parts of a model
> > kit when you break them out. Don't know if that's normal, but
> > somehow on these parts I'd believe that might be a sign for damage. 
> > 
> > Maybe that shop did something stupid like oiling the plastic parts?
> > Or might the coupling be to weak? Any hints? 
> > 
> > In case I have to get it repaired: 
> > Anyone on this list who knows where to get a Nak serviced in Germany
> > (Berlin would be perfect)? 
> > 
> > Also, it's hard to find manuals for the LX-3. Anyone? 
> > What I found are owner's manuals for the Dragon and the CR3E-4E
> > (dutch), if anyone's interested. 
> > 
> > Any help appreciated, many thanks in advance, JO 
> > 
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 09:11:56 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:11:56 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!
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hi
is it not posible to get agood eprom chip and copy it on a programmer, seens a shame to loose these decks
pr
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  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 6:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!


  Another 1000 ZXL dead. That eprom is no longer in existance. I believe Stephen still have a couple of those. He bought all the remaining 4 from B&W, I think. He installed one in mine but the machine kept breaking other things until I got tired of wasting money. 
   
  I thought it wasn't that bad until I was asked $1,600- $ 2,000 by another tech. in order to re-furbish her,so, go figures ! The problem get worst because nobody wants to deal with the ZXL models anymore. Besides Sank and Galin, nobody else wants to take the risk.
   
   
  Carlos
   
   
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:34 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!


    Dear Naktalkers, I wish to dispose of my Broken 1000zxl (in piano black cabinet) to a good home. The computer logic is faulty and will probably require some new chip that is hard to find. The machine was previouly maintained to the highest standards by B&W in sussex. Any offer will be considered otherwise I will put it on ebay. Also have outboard noise reduction units (dolby b/c, dolbyc and High com) It is in London and i need the space!

    Fred



    On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:21 , timbarrett at cox.net sent:


      Hi jo- 

      In your LX-3 there are two capstan shafts that are responsible for moving the tape. The 
      capstans are chrome plated shafts which flank the head base assembly, and below each 
      capstan is a black rubber pinch roller. The left and right reel tables (I think you are calling 
      them 'wheels') are the ones that poke through the tape hubs of the cassette. In play, while the 
      capstans pull the tape from left to right, the leftmost reel table (the supply reel) has a little bit of 
      back tension on it to keep the supply tape from getting slack, and the rightmost reel table pulls 
      gently on the tape to spool it back up on the right side. 

      If you remove the cover from the cassette door, you will be able to interact a little bit with the 
      transport for troubleshooting purposes. Remove the silver plastic cassette door by pushing 
      the eject button to open the cassette well, then slide the plastic door up and off of it's metal 
      frame. Then push the metal frame back into place without a tape. Now, when you push the 
      play button, the heads and pinch rollers should come up into the play position, the capstans 
      should rotate, and the rightmost reel table should rotate counter-clockwise. The tape counter 
      should be advancing and the deck should stay in this mode indefinitely. 

      While in this mode, you can reach in and spin the leftmost reel table with your fingers. You 
      should feel a little bit of resistance, but it should spin relatively easily. You can also grab the 
      rightmost reel table and feel how much rotational force it has. The right reel table should be 
      rotating with noticeably more force than it took to spin the left reel table. If you grab the right 
      reel table hard enough to stop it, the deck should go into Stop mode and the heads should 
      retract. 

      If the capstans are not rotating, this would explain your problem, because that would mean the 
      tape would not move and therefore, the right reel table can't turn to take up the tape. 

      The auto shutoff mechanism is indexed to the right reel table. When the right reel table stops, 
      the deck goes into Stop mode. The tape counter is also indexed to the right reel table. The 
      faster the right reel spins, the faster the tape counter advances. 

      I believe that the idler you referred to in your email is the one in the center, between the two 
      reel tables. It is responsible for providing the motive force to the reels for rewind, fast forward, 
      and for the take-up tension in play mode. Both reel tables have built in friction clutches. 

      If your capstans are not rotating, it could be that the capstan drive belt has broken or slipped 
      off, or it could mean that the motor is not turning. 

      I hope this helps. Let us know what you find. 

      Tim 


      > Hi Nakamaniacs, 
      > 
      > I'm new to this list. I actually planned on silenly monitoring the 
      > list at first, but ran into my first problem sooner than expected. So 
      > sorry, if I'm failing on my first posting... I started browsing the 
      > archive, but man, this is a huge task, and no helpful reference for my 
      > problem yet... 
      > 
      > I just bought an LX-3 on eBay which was supposed to be just serviced 
      > and belt replaced. When I press start, it turns the tape around 1-2 
      > millimeters, then switches to stop mode. I took off the cover, and 
      > I'll try to describe what I found with the english I know: There's a 
      > brass wheel on the motor axis. I'll call it "motor". This is driving a 
      > wheel with a rubber band on it (well, sounds like an idler, but the 
      > LX-3 is supposed to be belt driven? I'll call it "idler" since I don't 
      > know better), this again is driving two plastic wheels (which I'll 
      > name left and right wheel :), which have a kind of slip coupling (to 
      > detect tape ending I guess). Now the fast forward and reverse work 
      > fine, but when I press on play, it seems like the left wheel is 
      > braking, so the right (driven) wheel will slip and the tape stops. 
      > 
      > I tried to turn the left wheel whith my fingers, and it gives a lot 
      > resistance I believe. This is hard to describe, but I'll try anyway. 
      > If you take a round marker pen between your lips an hold it so it 
      > doesn't fall out and then turn that pen, its like that, maybe even a 
      > little more. (I'm talking dry winter lips here, no grease, no spittle. 
      > Also, don't bite the pen. Don't get me started on what I tried to 
      > describe the resistance accurately ;) 
      > 
      > Also, both wheels have quite clear scratch marks/dents (lighter grey 
      > than the rest of the wheel) on them, like plastic parts of a model kit 
      > when you break them out. Don't know if that's normal, but somehow on 
      > these parts I'd believe that might be a sign for damage. 
      > 
      > Maybe that shop did something stupid like oiling the plastic parts? 
      > Or might the coupling be to weak? Any hints? 
      > 
      > In case I have to get it repaired: 
      > Anyone on this list who knows where to get a Nak serviced in Germany 
      > (Berlin would be perfect)? 
      > 
      > Also, it's hard to find manuals for the LX-3. Anyone? 
      > What I found are owner's manuals for the Dragon and the CR3E-4E 
      > (dutch), if anyone's interested. 
      > 
      > Any help appreciated, many thanks in advance, JO 
      > 
      > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ 
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      > _ \ V / -_) '_/ | | \___/\_/\___|_| 
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From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (fredmoss at totalise.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:33:24 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!
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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Mon Jan 26 11:42:39 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:42:39 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!
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Hi Fred

Where are you located? in the UK?

Terry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!


  I think there are probably a few eproms around but the program to download into them is a problem. Stephen Sank said he could fix the deck but i have not gotten arond to ship it to him. Problem is that i no longer use cassete format, just keeping Dragon and 700zxe for occasional playback. Thought i would let someone more deserving have it and would also prefer someone to come and pick it up! 

  Fred



  On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:24 , timbarrett at cox.net sent:


    What a shame that parts obsolescence should render such a machine 
    unfixable. This is a problem that I face at work more and more often 
    lately, and it is truly annoying. 

    I am not familiar enough with the electronics of the ZXL series to know 
    which particular EPROM is the one in question. Is it that the raw part is 
    no longer available, or is it that the program to download into it is not 
    available? Has anyone tried to get the program in file form? 

    Tim 

    > 
    > Another 1000 ZXL dead. That eprom is no longer in existance. I believe 
    > Stephen still have a couple of those. He bought all the remaining 4 
    > from B&W, I think. He installed one in mine but the machine kept 
    > breaking other things until I got tired of wasting money. 
    > 
    > I thought it wasn't that bad until I was asked $1,600- $2,000 
    > byanother tech.in order to re- furbish her,so, go figures ! The 
    > problem get worst because nobody wants to deal with the ZXL models 
    > anymore. Besides Sank and Galin, nobody else wants to take the risk. 
    > 
    > 
    > Carlos 
    > 
    > 
    > ----- Original Message ----- 
    > From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
    > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:34 PM 
    > Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home! 
    > 
    > Dear Naktalkers, I wish to dispose of my Broken 1000zxl (in piano 
    > black cabinet) to a good home. The computer logic is faulty and will 
    > probably require some new chip that is hard to find. The machine was 
    > previouly maintained to the highest standards by B&W in sussex. Any 
    > offer will be considered otherwise I will put it on ebay. Also have 
    > outboard noise reduction units (dolby b/c, dolbyc and High com) It is 
    > in London and i need the space! 
    > 
    > Fred 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:21 , timbarrett at cox.net sent: 
    > 
    > Hi jo- 
    > 
    > In your LX-3 there are two capstan shafts that are responsible for 
    > moving the tape. The capstans are chrome plated shafts which flank the 
    > head base assembly, and below each capstan is a black rubber pinch 
    > roller. The left and right reel tables (I think you are calling them 
    > 'wheels') are the ones that poke through the tape hubs of the 
    > cassette. In play, while the capstans pull the tape from left to 
    > right, the leftmost reel table (the supply reel) has a little bit of 
    > back tension on it to keep the supply tape from getting slack, and the 
    > rightmost reel table pulls gently on the tape to spool it back up on 
    > the right side. 
    > 
    > If you remove the cover from the cassette door, you will be able to 
    > interact a little bit with the transport for troubleshooting purposes. 
    > Remove the silver plastic cassette door by pushing the eject button to 
    > open the cassette well, then slide the plastic door up and off of it's 
    > metal frame. Then push the metal frame back into place without a tape. 
    > Now, when you push the play button, the heads and pinch rollers should 
    > come up into the play position, the capstans should rotate, and the 
    > rightmost reel table should rotate counter-clockwise. The tape counter 
    > should be advancing and the deck should stay in this mode 
    > indefinitely. 
    > 
    > While in this mode, you can reach in and spin the leftmost reel table 
    > with your fingers. You should feel a little bit of resistance, but it 
    > should spin relatively easily. You can also grab the rightmost reel 
    > table and feel how much rotational force it has. The right reel table 
    > should be rotating with noticeably more force than it took to spin the 
    > left reel table. If you grab the right reel table hard enough to stop 
    > it, the deck should go into Stop mode and the heads should retract. 
    > 
    > If the capstans are not rotating, this would explain your problem, 
    > because that would mean the tape would not move and therefore, the 
    > right reel table can't turn to take up the tape. 
    > 
    > The auto shutoff mechanism is indexed to the right reel table. When 
    > the right reel table stops, the deck goes into Stop mode. The tape 
    > counter is also indexed to the right reel table. The faster the right 
    > reel spins, the faster the tape counter advances. 
    > 
    > I believe that the idler you referred to in your email is the one in 
    > the center, between the two reel tables. It is responsible for 
    > providing the motive force to the reels for rewind, fast forward, and 
    > for the take-up tension in play mode. Both reel tables have built in 
    > friction clutches. 
    > 
    > If your capstans are not rotating, it could be that the capstan drive 
    > belt has broken or slipped off, or it could mean that the motor is not 
    > turning. 
    > 
    > I hope this helps. Let us know what you find. 
    > 
    > Tim 
    > 
    > 
    > > Hi Nakamaniacs, 
    > > 
    > > I'm new to this list. I actually planned on silenly monitoring the 
    > > list at first, but ran into my first problem sooner than expected. 
    > > So sorry, if I'm failing on my first posting... I started browsing 
    > > the archive, but man, this is a huge task, and no helpful reference 
    > > for my problem yet... 
    > > 
    > > I just bought an LX-3 on eBay which was supposed to be just serviced 
    > > and belt replaced. When I press start, it turns the tape around 1-2 
    > > millimeters, then switches to stop mode. I took off the cover, and 
    > > I'll try to describe what I found with the english I know: There's a 
    > > brass wheel on the motor axis. I'll call it "motor". This is driving 
    > > a wheel with a rubber band on it (well, sounds like an idler, but 
    > > the LX-3 is supposed to be belt driven? I'll call it "idler" since I 
    > > don't know better), this again is driving two plastic wheels (which 
    > > I'll name left and right wheel :), which have a kind of slip 
    > > coupling (to detect tape ending I guess). Now the fast forward and 
    > > reverse work fine, but when I press on play, it seems like the left 
    > > wheel is braking, so the right (driven) wheel will slip and the tape 
    > > stops. 
    > > 
    > > I tried to turn the left wheel whith my fingers, and it gives a lot 
    > > resistance I believe. This is hard to describe, but I'll try anyway. 
    > > If you take a round marker pen between your lips an hold it so it 
    > > doesn't fall out and then turn that pen, its like that, maybe even a 
    > > little more. (I'm talking dry winter lips here, no grease, no 
    > > spittle. Also, don't bite the pen. Don't get me started on what I 
    > > tried to describe the resistance accurately ;) 
    > > 
    > > Also, both wheels have quite clear scratch marks/dents (lighter grey 
    > > than the rest of the wheel) on them, like plastic parts of a model 
    > > kit when you break them out. Don't know if that's normal, but 
    > > somehow on these parts I'd believe that might be a sign for damage. 
    > > 
    > > Maybe that shop did something stupid like oiling the plastic parts? 
    > > Or might the coupling be to weak? Any hints? 
    > > 
    > > In case I have to get it repaired: 
    > > Anyone on this list who knows where to get a Nak serviced in Germany 
    > > (Berlin would be perfect)? 
    > > 
    > > Also, it's hard to find manuals for the LX-3. Anyone? 
    > > What I found are owner's manuals for the Dragon and the CR3E-4E 
    > > (dutch), if anyone's interested. 
    > > 
    > > Any help appreciated, many thanks in advance, JO 
    > > 
    > > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ 
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From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (fredmoss at totalise.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:03:28 +0000
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 15:26:00 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:26:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!
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if its an eprom (or eeprom) with a clear window in the middle of the chip, usually with a sticker over it the it should be possible to use a programmer to upload the prog in a good chip and then download this prog to a good eprom,  we have one at work but not used it for ages!
phill 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!


  I think there are probably a few eproms around but the program to download into them is a problem. Stephen Sank said he could fix the deck but i have not gotten arond to ship it to him. Problem is that i no longer use cassete format, just keeping Dragon and 700zxe for occasional playback. Thought i would let someone more deserving have it and would also prefer someone to come and pick it up! 

  Fred



  On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:24 , timbarrett at cox.net sent:


    What a shame that parts obsolescence should render such a machine 
    unfixable. This is a problem that I face at work more and more often 
    lately, and it is truly annoying. 

    I am not familiar enough with the electronics of the ZXL series to know 
    which particular EPROM is the one in question. Is it that the raw part is 
    no longer available, or is it that the program to download into it is not 
    available? Has anyone tried to get the program in file form? 

    Tim 

    > 
    > Another 1000 ZXL dead. That eprom is no longer in existance. I believe 
    > Stephen still have a couple of those. He bought all the remaining 4 
    > from B&W, I think. He installed one in mine but the machine kept 
    > breaking other things until I got tired of wasting money. 
    > 
    > I thought it wasn't that bad until I was asked $1,600- $2,000 
    > byanother tech.in order to re- furbish her,so, go figures ! The 
    > problem get worst because nobody wants to deal with the ZXL models 
    > anymore. Besides Sank and Galin, nobody else wants to take the risk. 
    > 
    > 
    > Carlos 
    > 
    > 
    > ----- Original Message ----- 
    > From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 
    > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:34 PM 
    > Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home! 
    > 
    > Dear Naktalkers, I wish to dispose of my Broken 1000zxl (in piano 
    > black cabinet) to a good home. The computer logic is faulty and will 
    > probably require some new chip that is hard to find. The machine was 
    > previouly maintained to the highest standards by B&W in sussex. Any 
    > offer will be considered otherwise I will put it on ebay. Also have 
    > outboard noise reduction units (dolby b/c, dolbyc and High com) It is 
    > in London and i need the space! 
    > 
    > Fred 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:21 , timbarrett at cox.net sent: 
    > 
    > Hi jo- 
    > 
    > In your LX-3 there are two capstan shafts that are responsible for 
    > moving the tape. The capstans are chrome plated shafts which flank the 
    > head base assembly, and below each capstan is a black rubber pinch 
    > roller. The left and right reel tables (I think you are calling them 
    > 'wheels') are the ones that poke through the tape hubs of the 
    > cassette. In play, while the capstans pull the tape from left to 
    > right, the leftmost reel table (the supply reel) has a little bit of 
    > back tension on it to keep the supply tape from getting slack, and the 
    > rightmost reel table pulls gently on the tape to spool it back up on 
    > the right side. 
    > 
    > If you remove the cover from the cassette door, you will be able to 
    > interact a little bit with the transport for troubleshooting purposes. 
    > Remove the silver plastic cassette door by pushing the eject button to 
    > open the cassette well, then slide the plastic door up and off of it's 
    > metal frame. Then push the metal frame back into place without a tape. 
    > Now, when you push the play button, the heads and pinch rollers should 
    > come up into the play position, the capstans should rotate, and the 
    > rightmost reel table should rotate counter-clockwise. The tape counter 
    > should be advancing and the deck should stay in this mode 
    > indefinitely. 
    > 
    > While in this mode, you can reach in and spin the leftmost reel table 
    > with your fingers. You should feel a little bit of resistance, but it 
    > should spin relatively easily. You can also grab the rightmost reel 
    > table and feel how much rotational force it has. The right reel table 
    > should be rotating with noticeably more force than it took to spin the 
    > left reel table. If you grab the right reel table hard enough to stop 
    > it, the deck should go into Stop mode and the heads should retract. 
    > 
    > If the capstans are not rotating, this would explain your problem, 
    > because that would mean the tape would not move and therefore, the 
    > right reel table can't turn to take up the tape. 
    > 
    > The auto shutoff mechanism is indexed to the right reel table. When 
    > the right reel table stops, the deck goes into Stop mode. The tape 
    > counter is also indexed to the right reel table. The faster the right 
    > reel spins, the faster the tape counter advances. 
    > 
    > I believe that the idler you referred to in your email is the one in 
    > the center, between the two reel tables. It is responsible for 
    > providing the motive force to the reels for rewind, fast forward, and 
    > for the take-up tension in play mode. Both reel tables have built in 
    > friction clutches. 
    > 
    > If your capstans are not rotating, it could be that the capstan drive 
    > belt has broken or slipped off, or it could mean that the motor is not 
    > turning. 
    > 
    > I hope this helps. Let us know what you find. 
    > 
    > Tim 
    > 
    > 
    > > Hi Nakamaniacs, 
    > > 
    > > I'm new to this list. I actually planned on silenly monitoring the 
    > > list at first, but ran into my first problem sooner than expected. 
    > > So sorry, if I'm failing on my first posting... I started browsing 
    > > the archive, but man, this is a huge task, and no helpful reference 
    > > for my problem yet... 
    > > 
    > > I just bought an LX-3 on eBay which was supposed to be just serviced 
    > > and belt replaced. When I press start, it turns the tape around 1-2 
    > > millimeters, then switches to stop mode. I took off the cover, and 
    > > I'll try to describe what I found with the english I know: There's a 
    > > brass wheel on the motor axis. I'll call it "motor". This is driving 
    > > a wheel with a rubber band on it (well, sounds like an idler, but 
    > > the LX-3 is supposed to be belt driven? I'll call it "idler" since I 
    > > don't know better), this again is driving two plastic wheels (which 
    > > I'll name left and right wheel :), which have a kind of slip 
    > > coupling (to detect tape ending I guess). Now the fast forward and 
    > > reverse work fine, but when I press on play, it seems like the left 
    > > wheel is braking, so the right (driven) wheel will slip and the tape 
    > > stops. 
    > > 
    > > I tried to turn the left wheel whith my fingers, and it gives a lot 
    > > resistance I believe. This is hard to describe, but I'll try anyway. 
    > > If you take a round marker pen between your lips an hold it so it 
    > > doesn't fall out and then turn that pen, its like that, maybe even a 
    > > little more. (I'm talking dry winter lips here, no grease, no 
    > > spittle. Also, don't bite the pen. Don't get me started on what I 
    > > tried to describe the resistance accurately ;) 
    > > 
    > > Also, both wheels have quite clear scratch marks/dents (lighter grey 
    > > than the rest of the wheel) on them, like plastic parts of a model 
    > > kit when you break them out. Don't know if that's normal, but 
    > > somehow on these parts I'd believe that might be a sign for damage. 
    > > 
    > > Maybe that shop did something stupid like oiling the plastic parts? 
    > > Or might the coupling be to weak? Any hints? 
    > > 
    > > In case I have to get it repaired: 
    > > Anyone on this list who knows where to get a Nak serviced in Germany 
    > > (Berlin would be perfect)? 
    > > 
    > > Also, it's hard to find manuals for the LX-3. Anyone? 
    > > What I found are owner's manuals for the Dragon and the CR3E-4E 
    > > (dutch), if anyone's interested. 
    > > 
    > > Any help appreciated, many thanks in advance, JO 
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From James.Eastman at metagroup.com  Mon Jan 26 17:41:57 2004
From: James.Eastman at metagroup.com (James.Eastman at metagroup.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:41:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] MINT NAK DR1 DECK FOR SALE
Message-ID: <OFE7EB270D.904D88FA-ON85256E27.005B9116@metagroup.com>

Hi there -

I have a mint condition NAK DR1 cassette deck for sale. This deck
has been used very little and was purchased new in '98. Used
sparingly for about a year and half, and has been sitting idle
ever since! This is an incredible deck and needs a good home.
Make me an offer! -jamie






From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Jan 26 21:56:27 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:56:27 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D369@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Fred, how much are you asking? If you like you can reply to my personal
e-mail address.
 
    Tom.

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From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk [mailto:fredmoss at totalise.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2004 11:35 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] !00zxl for a good home!


Dear Naktalkers, I wish to dispose of my Broken 1000zxl (in piano black
cabinet) to a good home. The computer logic is faulty and will probably
require some new chip that is hard to find. The machine was previouly
maintained to the highest standards by B&W in sussex. Any offer will be
considered otherwise I will put it on ebay. Also have outboard noise
reduction units (dolby b/c, dolbyc and High com) It is in London and i need
the space!

Fred



On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:21 , timbarrett at cox.net sent:



Hi jo- 

In your LX-3 there are two capstan shafts that are responsible for moving
the tape. The 
capstans are chrome plated shafts which flank the head base assembly, and
below each 
capstan is a black rubber pinch roller. The left and right reel tables (I
think you are calling 
them 'wheels') are the ones that poke through the tape hubs of the cassette.
In play, while the 
capstans pull the tape from left to right, the leftmost reel table (the
supply reel) has a little bit of 
back tension on it to keep the supply tape from getting slack, and the
rightmost reel table pulls 
gently on the tape to spool it back up on the right side. 

If you remove the cover from the cassette door, you will be able to interact
a little bit with the 
transport for troubleshooting purposes. Remove the silver plastic cassette
door by pushing 
the eject button to open the cassette well, then slide the plastic door up
and off of it's metal 
frame. Then push the metal frame back into place without a tape. Now, when
you push the 
play button, the heads and pinch rollers should come up into the play
position, the capstans 
should rotate, and the rightmost reel table should rotate counter-clockwise.
The tape counter 
should be advancing and the deck should stay in this mode indefinitely. 

While in this mode, you can reach in and spin the leftmost reel table with
your fingers. You 
should feel a little bit of resistance, but it should spin relatively
easily. You can also grab the 
rightmost reel table and feel how much rotational force it has. The right
reel table should be 
rotating with noticeably more force than it took to spin the left reel
table. If you grab the right 
reel table hard enough to stop it, the deck should go into Stop mode and the
heads should 
retract. 

If the capstans are not rotating, this would explain your problem, because
that would mean the 
tape would not move and therefore, the right reel table can't turn to take
up the tape. 

The auto shutoff mechanism is indexed to the right reel table. When the
right reel table stops, 
the deck goes into Stop mode. The tape counter is also indexed to the right
reel table. The 
faster the right reel spins, the faster the tape counter advances. 

I believe that the idler you referred to in your email is the one in the
center, between the two 
reel tables. It is responsible for providing the motive force to the reels
for rewind, fast forward, 
and for the take-up tension in play mode. Both reel tables have built in
friction clutches. 

If your capstans are not rotating, it could be that the capstan drive belt
has broken or slipped 
off, or it could mean that the motor is not turning. 

I hope this helps. Let us know what you find. 

Tim 


> Hi Nakamaniacs, 
> 
> I'm new to this list. I actually planned on silenly monitoring the 
> list at first, but ran into my first problem sooner than expected. So 
> sorry, if I'm failing on my first posting... I started browsing the 
> archive, but man, this is a huge task, and no helpful reference for my 
> problem yet... 
> 
> I just bought an LX-3 on eBay which was supposed to be just serviced 
> and belt replaced. When I press start, it turns the tape around 1-2 
> millimeters, then switches to stop mode. I took off the cover, and 
> I'll try to describe what I found with the english I know: There's a 
> brass wheel on the motor axis. I'll call it "motor". This is driving a 
> wheel with a rubber band on it (well, sounds like an idler, but the 
> LX-3 is supposed to be belt driven? I'll call it "idler" since I don't 
> know better), this again is driving two plastic wheels (which I'll 
> name left and right wheel :), which have a kind of slip coupling (to 
> detect tape ending I guess). Now the fast forward and reverse work 
> fine, but when I press on play, it seems like the left wheel is 
> braking, so the right (driven) wheel will slip and the tape stops. 
> 
> I tried to turn the left wheel whith my fingers, and it gives a lot 
> resistance I believe. This is hard to describe, but I'll try anyway. 
> If you take a round marker pen between your lips an hold it so it 
> doesn't fall out and then turn that pen, its like that, maybe even a 
> little more. (I'm talking dry winter lips here, no grease, no spittle. 
> Also, don't bite the pen. Don't get me started on what I tried to 
> describe the resistance accurately ;) 
> 
> Also, both wheels have quite clear scratch marks/dents (lighter grey 
> than the rest of the wheel) on them, like plastic parts of a model kit 
> when you break them out. Don't know if that's normal, but somehow on 
> these parts I'd believe that might be a sign for damage. 
> 
> Maybe that shop did something stupid like oiling the plastic parts? 
> Or might the coupling be to weak? Any hints? 
> 
> In case I have to get it repaired: 
> Anyone on this list who knows where to get a Nak serviced in Germany 
> (Berlin would be perfect)? 
> 
> Also, it's hard to find manuals for the LX-3. Anyone? 
> What I found are owner's manuals for the Dragon and the CR3E-4E 
> (dutch), if anyone's interested. 
> 
> Any help appreciated, many thanks in advance, JO 
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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Mon Jan 26 21:48:42 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:48:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-3
In-Reply-To: <40141749.16466.24D63F8@localhost>
References: <3.0.6.32.20040125025912.0136bc48@mail.sireconnect.de>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040126214842.0138f160@mail.sireconnect.de>

Hey there!

At 19:21 25.01.2004 -0500, timbarrett at cox.net wrote:
>In your LX-3 there are two capstan shafts that are responsible for moving
the tape.  The 
>capstans are chrome plated shafts which flank the head base assembly, and
below each 

Ah, these are the famous capstans!

>frame.  Then push the metal frame back into place without a tape.  Now,
when you push the 
>play button, the heads and pinch rollers should come up into the play
position, the capstans 
>should rotate, and the rightmost reel table should rotate
counter-clockwise.  

Well, no, guess you are right on spot. The heads and pinch rollers do come
up, but neither the capstans nor the rollers rotate.

>The tape counter 
>should be advancing and the deck should stay in this mode indefinitely.

This however *does* happen, but not if I try that with a tape inserted.

>your fingers.  You 
>should feel a little bit of resistance, but it should spin relatively
easily.  You can also grab the 
>rightmost reel table and feel how much rotational force it has.  The right
reel table should be 
>rotating with noticeably more force than it took to spin the left reel
table.  If you grab the right 
>reel table hard enough to stop it, the deck should go into Stop mode and
the heads should 
>retract.

It takes considerably more force on the right reel table, yes, although I
didn't force it to stop. Couldn't bring myself to being that brutal. :)

>If the capstans are not rotating, this would explain your problem, because
that would mean the 
>tape would not move and therefore, the right reel table can't turn to take
up the tape.

This, now, is funny: Like I said, the capstans (just to be entirely deadly
sure: those two shiny silver matchstick-thick metal pins those two rubber
wheels press against) *don't* rotate (even touched them), but the right
reel table *does* and the counter counts and the deck doesn't seem to mind
at all...

>I believe that the idler you referred to in your email is the one in the
center, between the two 
>reel tables.  It is responsible for providing the motive force to the
reels for rewind, fast forward, 
>and for the take-up tension in play mode.  Both reel tables have built in
friction clutches.

That's what I tried to describe as "slip coupling", yes.

>If your capstans are not rotating, it could be that the capstan drive belt
has broken or slipped 
>off, or it could mean that the motor is not turning.

I'll take a look at the motor and possibly missing belts.

>I hope this helps.

My, that was probably the most helpful help and precise description I ever
got on a mailing list!

Thanks a bunch! I'll report further if I find something.


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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Mon Jan 26 21:45:44 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:45:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-3
In-Reply-To: <29679f82967960.296796029679f8@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040126214544.0138f6a8@mail.sireconnect.de>

Hi Kannan,

At 18:52 25.01.2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Tim 
>your explanation is excellent and I also think that capstan not rotating
can be the reason for stoppage in play mode( because FF and Rew depends on
reel 

Dead on spot I believe.

At 18:52 25.01.2004 -0800, you wrote:
movement and they work). It could also mean that the mode gear at the back
of the mechanism may not have reached correct spot( if belt is fine). The
entire mechanism is similar to 582 and there is a preset to adjust the
position of Mode Cam in play mode or atleast verify whether that works by
looking at the mode cam marker.This work requires 582 service manual or 480
service manual as the mechanism working and alignment is explained. I have
a copy of Naks FTP manuals  with me but the size is huge in MB' and if joe
has a mail box capable of handling it I can send it for him to look and
understand the reason for his LX3 problem. So Jo let me know.
>kannan

Am I right in assuming that I don't have to look at the mode cam if I find
that either motor or belt are the culprits?

I'd very much appreciate the manual anyway. My mailbox can handle around 10
Mb at a time, and I check it at least daily. That'd be jmo at sireconnect.de.

Thanks a bunch!

Regards, JO
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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Mon Jan 26 22:01:10 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:01:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-3, update
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040126220110.0138f160@mail.sireconnect.de>

Hello there!

I just opened the bottom of the deck. I found the wheels and the motor
responsible for turning the capstans. I wanted to check whether the motor
wasn't turning, so I switched it on.
And now, the motor and the capstans work!

I put in a tape and it worked like a charm (visually, try now if I get a
signal) but I wanted to let you know beforehand.

I *swear* I didn't do anything... eerie...

I keep you informed.

Jo
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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Mon Jan 26 22:22:32 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:22:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-3, update
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040126222232.01380670@mail.sireconnect.de>

Hi there!

It looks like the belt could easily be relocated... it doesn't have a lot
of tension and when I played around with it it got relocated a little. It
looked good, but showed the exact symptoms I described before. So I must
have "corrected" the issue when I turned the deck around to remove the
floor...

So, If not the belt is too limpy or something ... at the moment I'm
listening to an old and not very good tape which does sound wowing (don't
know if that's the correct term again), but the main problem seems to be
solved.

Now into the magic... 

Thanks a million!
Really, that made my day (and probably a lot to come)!

Jo

P.S.: Carlos, I'm probably too late for the marathon recordings? This
looked like highly interesting stuff!
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Jan 27 01:38:08 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:38:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
Message-ID: <2a113cf2a14b0f.2a14b0f2a113cf@vsnl.net>

Thanks Carlos 
for acting on it so quickly. It will be a great addition to my collection of music as it has so many of our friends effort going in it topping with your Studio work!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:41 am
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set

> Good morning !
> 
> It is 1:30 A.M. in Puerto Rico and I just finished duplicating the 
> CDR's for
> the Marathon Set.
> 
> The following names has submitted their funds and their sets are 
> en-route:
> 
> Ti Kan : Honored with set # 04-001 Opening Set
> Joe Chojnowski: Sets # 04-002 & 04-003
> Vladimir
> Kannan
> 
> Thanks for the notes of encouragement enclosed in the envelopes. 
> With all
> honesty, I didn't expect so much work but I have enjoyed it.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Carlos going to the bed now ...
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 27 06:29:10 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:29:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] More sets under way ...
References: <2a113cf2a14b0f.2a14b0f2a113cf@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c3e496$7e7a56c0$e6773242@CopyTech>

My pleasure, Kannan.

The following funds has been received and the sets are en-route:

Tim Barrett : Thanks for your kindness ...
Robert J. Kent: You too, Bob ...
Gerald Guerrero
Alan Kreese
John M. Tooley
Stephen Sank: Courtesy of  Mr. Tooley

Some persons has really make my day here with their notes and support. My
special thanks to Mr.Barrett and Mr. Kent. My wife was touched and said to
me: " These people from that Naka Talk are really music maniacs like you
are" Ha !

THANK YOU !

Carlos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set


> Thanks Carlos
> for acting on it so quickly. It will be a great addition to my collection
of music as it has so many of our friends effort going in it topping with
your Studio work!
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:41 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
>
> > Good morning !
> >
> > It is 1:30 A.M. in Puerto Rico and I just finished duplicating the
> > CDR's for
> > the Marathon Set.
> >
> > The following names has submitted their funds and their sets are
> > en-route:
> >
> > Ti Kan : Honored with set # 04-001 Opening Set
> > Joe Chojnowski: Sets # 04-002 & 04-003
> > Vladimir
> > Kannan
> >
> > Thanks for the notes of encouragement enclosed in the envelopes.
> > With all
> > honesty, I didn't expect so much work but I have enjoyed it.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Carlos going to the bed now ...
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From alan.olan at ing.com.au  Tue Jan 27 00:29:35 2004
From: alan.olan at ing.com.au (alan.olan at ing.com.au)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:29:35 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
Message-ID: <CA256E27.0080F59D.00@ingsydhog2.mercantilemutual.com.au>



Hi to All,

Sorry if I have already sent this post but I could not see it in the archives.

I was looking for some TDK SA X cassettes and found out that they have been
discontinued here in Australia.  However, they seem to be still available in the
US through the TDK website.  When I enquired whether there is a way to actually
get some brought in, TDK Australia simply said no and it was bad luck that I
wanted these type of tapes.  They did not even want to help in contacting TDK
USA to see if they could acquire some even when I suggested that I pay for it
upfront.

Why has TDK adopted this strategy of not giving the consumer any choice,  I
understand that demand for these have plummeted but still I was willing to pay
for the costs.

I am with anticipation of getting my refurbished 700ZXE from Stephen until then
will have to hunt for some quality tapes.  Any Aussie mebers who have any idea
where there is a good source of tapes in Oz.  I'm in Sydney and have struggled
to find anything but the basic tapes and basic chrome.

Cheers
Alan

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Jan 27 14:54:14 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:54:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] More sets under way ...
In-Reply-To: <004b01c3e496$7e7a56c0$e6773242@CopyTech>
References: <2a113cf2a14b0f.2a14b0f2a113cf@vsnl.net>
	<004b01c3e496$7e7a56c0$e6773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1075211654.40166d86176e5@mail.ce.net>

Many, many thanks Carlos, I can't wait to hear them!

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> My pleasure, Kannan.
> 
> The following funds has been received and the sets are en-route:
> 
> Tim Barrett : Thanks for your kindness ...
> Robert J. Kent: You too, Bob ...
> Gerald Guerrero
> Alan Kreese
> John M. Tooley
> Stephen Sank: Courtesy of  Mr. Tooley
> 
> Some persons has really make my day here with their notes and support. My
> special thanks to Mr.Barrett and Mr. Kent. My wife was touched and said to
> me: " These people from that Naka Talk are really music maniacs like you
> are" Ha !
> 
> THANK YOU !
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
> 
> 
> > Thanks Carlos
> > for acting on it so quickly. It will be a great addition to my collection
> of music as it has so many of our friends effort going in it topping with
> your Studio work!
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:41 am
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
> >
> > > Good morning !
> > >
> > > It is 1:30 A.M. in Puerto Rico and I just finished duplicating the
> > > CDR's for
> > > the Marathon Set.
> > >
> > > The following names has submitted their funds and their sets are
> > > en-route:
> > >
> > > Ti Kan : Honored with set # 04-001 Opening Set
> > > Joe Chojnowski: Sets # 04-002 & 04-003
> > > Vladimir
> > > Kannan
> > >
> > > Thanks for the notes of encouragement enclosed in the envelopes.
> > > With all
> > > honesty, I didn't expect so much work but I have enjoyed it.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Carlos going to the bed now ...
> > >
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Tue Jan 27 16:09:54 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:09:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
References: <2a113cf2a14b0f.2a14b0f2a113cf@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c3e4e7$9eff0fc0$f71a0cd0@r7g1f8>

How does one go about getting a copy of (The Marathon Set" ???

Randall, Seattle, WA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set


> Thanks Carlos
> for acting on it so quickly. It will be a great addition to my collection
of music as it has so many of our friends effort going in it topping with
your Studio work!
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:41 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
>
> > Good morning !
> >
> > It is 1:30 A.M. in Puerto Rico and I just finished duplicating the
> > CDR's for
> > the Marathon Set.
> >
> > The following names has submitted their funds and their sets are
> > en-route:
> >
> > Ti Kan : Honored with set # 04-001 Opening Set
> > Joe Chojnowski: Sets # 04-002 & 04-003
> > Vladimir
> > Kannan
> >
> > Thanks for the notes of encouragement enclosed in the envelopes.
> > With all
> > honesty, I didn't expect so much work but I have enjoyed it.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Carlos going to the bed now ...
> >
> >
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From vferdman at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 19:37:35 2004
From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:37:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
In-Reply-To: <200401270128.i0R1Sjju026680@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20040127183735.22314.qmail@web61101.mail.yahoo.com>

Carlos, thank you very much for the CD set.  I have not yet received it, but am looking forward to
it.  I have only been on the list a short time, not long enough to know about this project in
detail, but I am very impressed already.  Your dedication and hard work are amazing!  My deepest
thanks to you and keep on taping!

Vladimir

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 28 00:03:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:03:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
References: <20040127183735.22314.qmail@web61101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003701c3e529$cb2930c0$39773242@CopyTech>

Thank you, Vladimir. It would take a few days to get there.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vladimir Ferdman" <vferdman at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:37 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set


> Carlos, thank you very much for the CD set.  I have not yet received it,
but am looking forward to
> it.  I have only been on the list a short time, not long enough to know
about this project in
> detail, but I am very impressed already.  Your dedication and hard work
are amazing!  My deepest
> thanks to you and keep on taping!
>
> Vladimir
>
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From fjksouth at msn.com  Tue Jan 27 21:55:03 2004
From: fjksouth at msn.com (Frank Kelly Jr)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:55:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
Message-ID: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>

Fred:

I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along with some CD's.
Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site is www.magix.com.

My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.

The results are outstanding.

Frank
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 28 03:52:17 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:52:17 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
Message-ID: <003b01c3e549$bedfb0d0$55773242@CopyTech>

Frank:

I'm curious about that program. 

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Frank Kelly Jr 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:55 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


  Fred:

  I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along with some CD's.
  Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site is www.magix.com.

  My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.

  The results are outstanding.

  Frank


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From fkelly at irpgroup.com  Wed Jan 28 00:29:19 2004
From: fkelly at irpgroup.com (Frank Kelly Jr)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:29:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
	<003b01c3e549$bedfb0d0$55773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001601c3e52d$63bfa960$3adde944@pittpa.adelphia.net>

Carlos:

It is one of the best and easiest programs to use. I have use it to transfer from my turntable to reel to reel and to my cassette deck. All you need is a computer plus a source and a cd burner on your computer.

How it works is:
  a.. Plug a connection from the headphone jack of the amplifier or receiver into your audio card on the computer.
  b.. Start the program and start your turntable etc.
  c.. Once the source music is downloaded to your computer - use the program's wizard to clean the pops clicks hiss etc.
  d.. Then just create the new cd.
Do not get the e version that is on their web site get the full blown audio cleaning lab 3.0.

I have used it to resurrect an old 45 that my friend recorded as a demo. Record was bad but the program made it all listenable.

Let me know if you have other questions.

PS It does a beautiful job of making back ups of your music cd as well.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:52 PM
  Subject: SPAM: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


  Frank:

  I'm curious about that program. 

  Carlos

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Frank Kelly Jr 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:55 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


    Fred:

    I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along with some CD's.
    Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site is www.magix.com.

    My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.

    The results are outstanding.

    Frank


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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 28 06:07:59 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:07:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5><003b01c3e549$bedfb0d0$55773242@CopyTech>
	<001601c3e52d$63bfa960$3adde944@pittpa.adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <003901c3e55c$b3b2b050$23773242@CopyTech>

Thank you ! What kind of audio card you use ?

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Frank Kelly Jr 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 3:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


  Carlos:

  It is one of the best and easiest programs to use. I have use it to transfer from my turntable to reel to reel and to my cassette deck. All you need is a computer plus a source and a cd burner on your computer.

  How it works is:
    a.. Plug a connection from the headphone jack of the amplifier or receiver into your audio card on the computer. 
    b.. Start the program and start your turntable etc. 
    c.. Once the source music is downloaded to your computer - use the program's wizard to clean the pops clicks hiss etc. 
    d.. Then just create the new cd.
  Do not get the e version that is on their web site get the full blown audio cleaning lab 3.0.

  I have used it to resurrect an old 45 that my friend recorded as a demo. Record was bad but the program made it all listenable.

  Let me know if you have other questions.

  PS It does a beautiful job of making back ups of your music cd as well.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: El Magnifico 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:52 PM
    Subject: SPAM: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


    Frank:

    I'm curious about that program. 

    Carlos

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Frank Kelly Jr 
      To: naktalk at naks.com 
      Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:55 PM
      Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


      Fred:

      I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along with some CD's.
      Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site is www.magix.com.

      My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.

      The results are outstanding.

      Frank


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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 28 06:11:06 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:11:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
Message-ID: <005201c3e55d$22b3bdf0$23773242@CopyTech>

I love and collect those Yamaha's too. I have the 2020 and was looking for the big 3020 but I missed the opportunity 2 weeks ago at e.bay. It went for $660.00 !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Frank Kelly Jr 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:55 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


  Fred:

  I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along with some CD's.
  Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site is www.magix.com.

  My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.

  The results are outstanding.

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 28 06:14:15 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:14:15 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Up Date
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5><003b01c3e549$bedfb0d0$55773242@CopyTech>
	<001601c3e52d$63bfa960$3adde944@pittpa.adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <006a01c3e55d$93430cb0$23773242@CopyTech>

The following funds were received today and the sets are en-route:

Tony Boysick
Jud Herrman
Scott Caldwell
Dean Bauer

Thanks !

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Jan 28 02:15:24 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:15:24 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
	<005201c3e55d$22b3bdf0$23773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <01e501c3e53c$34f29f20$45116343@johnnyrotten>

Carlos,

For years I lusted for a Yamaha CT-7000 Tuner. I got one and had it checked over by a Tuner guru in San Diego, CA. Same styling as those Receivers. I would now very much like a pair of their large speakers but that is when spouses tend to put their foot down and say NO! At least mine did after seeing the Dahlquest DQ-10's I had just bought. ;-)

John T.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


  I love and collect those Yamaha's too. I have the 2020 and was looking for the big 3020 but I missed the opportunity 2 weeks ago at e.bay. It went for $660.00 !

  Carlos
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Frank Kelly Jr 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:55 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


    Fred:

    I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along with some CD's.
    Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site is www.magix.com.

    My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.

    The results are outstanding.

    Frank


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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 28 06:40:49 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:40:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5><005201c3e55d$22b3bdf0$23773242@CopyTech>
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Ha,ha ! Don't feel bad, I use to have a pair of Polk SDA SRS Reference System for almost 15 years until I finally sold'em. The big Tannoys I have are in my mastering room,so, my wife doesn't care. The strange thing is that now we have a pair of new Klipsch KSF 8.5 that I got out of the closset after 2 years, new in boxes, that I never couldn't sell. It is in my main system and she doesn't get use to them because they look small !!! So, go figures ...

Carlos 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John M. Tooley 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


  Carlos,

  For years I lusted for a Yamaha CT-7000 Tuner. I got one and had it checked over by a Tuner guru in San Diego, CA. Same styling as those Receivers. I would now very much like a pair of their large speakers but that is when spouses tend to put their foot down and say NO! At least mine did after seeing the Dahlquest DQ-10's I had just bought. ;-)

  John T.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: El Magnifico 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:11 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


    I love and collect those Yamaha's too. I have the 2020 and was looking for the big 3020 but I missed the opportunity 2 weeks ago at e.bay. It went for $660.00 !

    Carlos
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Frank Kelly Jr 
      To: naktalk at naks.com 
      Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:55 PM
      Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


      Fred:

      I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along with some CD's.
      Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site is www.magix.com.

      My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.

      The results are outstanding.

      Frank


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From fkelly at irpgroup.com  Wed Jan 28 03:46:52 2004
From: fkelly at irpgroup.com (Frank Kelly Jr)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:46:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5><003b01c3e549$bedfb0d0$55773242@CopyTech><001601c3e52d$63bfa960$3adde944@pittpa.adelphia.net>
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Carlos:

The audio card is nothing special just the one that came with my Dell computer.

Frank
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:07 AM
  Subject: SPAM: Re: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


  Thank you ! What kind of audio card you use ?

  Carlos

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Frank Kelly Jr 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 3:29 PM
    Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


    Carlos:

    It is one of the best and easiest programs to use. I have use it to transfer from my turntable to reel to reel and to my cassette deck. All you need is a computer plus a source and a cd burner on your computer.

    How it works is:
      a.. Plug a connection from the headphone jack of the amplifier or receiver into your audio card on the computer. 
      b.. Start the program and start your turntable etc. 
      c.. Once the source music is downloaded to your computer - use the program's wizard to clean the pops clicks hiss etc. 
      d.. Then just create the new cd.
    Do not get the e version that is on their web site get the full blown audio cleaning lab 3.0.

    I have used it to resurrect an old 45 that my friend recorded as a demo. Record was bad but the program made it all listenable.

    Let me know if you have other questions.

    PS It does a beautiful job of making back ups of your music cd as well.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: El Magnifico 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:52 PM
      Subject: SPAM: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


      Frank:

      I'm curious about that program. 

      Carlos

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Frank Kelly Jr 
        To: naktalk at naks.com 
        Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:55 PM
        Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


        Fred:

        I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along with some CD's.
        Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site is www.magix.com.

        My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.

        The results are outstanding.

        Frank


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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Wed Jan 28 03:37:15 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:37:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
In-Reply-To: <003b01c3e549$bedfb0d0$55773242@CopyTech>
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
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At 18:52 27.01.2004 -0800, you wrote:
>   Frank:   I'm curious about that program.    Carlos      ----- Original

Also recommendable once was CoolEdit with the denoiser plugin.
CoolEdit is meanwhile aquired by Adobe and named Audition.
You can get a demo here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/main.html
I don't know in which way the demo is limited, though; and if it contains
the denoiser plugin. But CoolEdit being what it was, I'd give it a try.

Best regards. Joerg

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Wed Jan 28 05:29:18 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:29:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving Vinyl
Message-ID: <000a01c3e557$4c035c70$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Fred, Frank, Carlos, John,

I would like to throw 2 programs out there for consideration:  Wavelab Lite by Steinberg, and Cool Edit (Pro and 2000).  I am using all three for recording vinyl to computer, then to CD and  Cassette.  The graphical interface and RIAA phono equalization of WaveLab Lite are very good.  The noise reduction and other balancing and conversion utilities for Cool Edit are also very good.  Cool Edit was recently acquired from Syntrillium by Adobe, and sadly they no longer support Cool Edit 2000, but I believe Cool Edit Pro has been upgraded and is still available, but quite expensive.

I use a break-out box with a PCI interface called  DMX 6-Fire by TerraTec to interface all of my digital and analog sources through my computer.....it is very versatile and accommodates numerous analog and digital sources with instantaneous DA and AD conversion.

As part of this 'system', I am using my Dragon for all Cassette playback, and my CR-7A for all of my Cassette recording.  I had both of these restored by Jeff at ESL, and he did a wonderful job.

On the subject of Yamaha, I also have a fondness....I particularly like the silver front models from the early 80s when they were just transitioning from meters to LEDs for power output indicators.....really nice looking fronts, and great performance.  I have an A-760 integrated amp that still sounds as good as any other component I have used.  I also have a matching T-760 tuner that I recently acquired, and they make a very nice looking and nice performing vintage system.

For those of you that are interested, the following link is to a site with a very informative history on the Yamaha Tuners.  Unfortunately I have not found a similar site for their amps.....any suggestions?

http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/yamaha.html

Carlos......thanks again for your incredible dedication to the Marathon project.  And thanks also to those who contributed source material.....the 'menu' is most impressive!  I'm glad to hear my payment arrived okay, and I am waiting anxiously for the arrival of my set.

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Jan 28 07:16:46 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:16:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5><005201c3e55d$22b3bdf0$23773242@CopyTech>
	<01e501c3e53c$34f29f20$45116343@johnnyrotten>
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one of my fav speakers dq10s
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John M. Tooley 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


  Carlos,
   
  For years I lusted for a Yamaha CT-7000 Tuner. I got one and had it checked over by a Tuner guru in San Diego, CA. Same styling as those Receivers. I would now very much like a pair of their large speakers but that is when spouses tend to put their foot down and say NO! At least mine did after seeing the Dahlquest DQ-10's I had just bought. ;-)
   
  John T.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: El Magnifico 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:11 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


    I love and collect those Yamaha's too. I have the 2020 and was looking for the big 3020 but I missed the opportunity 2 weeks ago at e.bay. It went for $660.00 !
     
    Carlos
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Frank Kelly Jr 
      To: naktalk at naks.com 
      Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:55 PM
      Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


      Fred:
       
      I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along with some CD's.
      Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site is www.magix.com.
       
      My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.
       
      The results are outstanding.
       
      Frank


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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Jan 28 07:20:58 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:20:58 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
	<3.0.6.32.20040128033715.01393108@mail.sireconnect.de>
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cooledit was on cover discs on magazines a few years ago cooledit 2001 was
the last before adobe bought them out )i think) may still be around, i use
it myself, it has a tone generator facility to make a wav file of a sweep
frequency eg 20hz to 20khz handy for audio checking
pr
----- Original Message -----
From: "jo" <jmo at sireconnect.de>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:37 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl


> At 18:52 27.01.2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >   Frank:   I'm curious about that program.    Carlos      ----- Original
>
> Also recommendable once was CoolEdit with the denoiser plugin.
> CoolEdit is meanwhile aquired by Adobe and named Audition.
> You can get a demo here:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/main.html
> I don't know in which way the demo is limited, though; and if it contains
> the denoiser plugin. But CoolEdit being what it was, I'd give it a try.
>
> Best regards. Joerg
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Jan 28 10:49:17 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:49:17 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D372@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Alan. Yes it is sad that a company like TDK has adopted this type of
attitude. I was treated differently at BASF/EMTEC, they helped me out when I
wanted to buy Metal Maxima TPIV. If you want to obtain the TDK SA-X
cassettes your best bet is EBAY. I've purchased hundreds of cassettes from
EBay and ironically they are of the TDK SA / SA-X type. The US is the best
place to source the tapes and our dollar is not so bad against the US
dollar. You can find the tapes in brand new never been used condition or if
you prefer second hand they have then too. You may wish to order from online
stores that sell these tapes over the web and deliver to your door.

	I hope I have given you some idea on how to obtain these tapes, oh
and BTW, you will love how your 700 ZXE will sound from Stephen, I purchased
a RX505 from him and my mouth hit the floor when I heard the recording
reproduction quality.

	Good luck Alan,

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: alan.olan at ing.com.au [mailto:alan.olan at ing.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2004 10:30 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?




Hi to All,

Sorry if I have already sent this post but I could not see it in the
archives.

I was looking for some TDK SA X cassettes and found out that they have been
discontinued here in Australia.  However, they seem to be still available in
the
US through the TDK website.  When I enquired whether there is a way to
actually
get some brought in, TDK Australia simply said no and it was bad luck that I
wanted these type of tapes.  They did not even want to help in contacting
TDK
USA to see if they could acquire some even when I suggested that I pay for
it
upfront.

Why has TDK adopted this strategy of not giving the consumer any choice,  I
understand that demand for these have plummeted but still I was willing to
pay
for the costs.

I am with anticipation of getting my refurbished 700ZXE from Stephen until
then
will have to hunt for some quality tapes.  Any Aussie mebers who have any
idea
where there is a good source of tapes in Oz.  I'm in Sydney and have
struggled
to find anything but the basic tapes and basic chrome.

Cheers
Alan

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 28 11:35:43 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:35:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F74j74qkjjo44x000158b4@hotmail.com>

Alan:

If you want tapes....Capital Electronics here in NYC will ship to you...if 
you want their information let me know and I'll obtain same.

Neil Lipes


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:49:17 +1100
>
>Hi Alan. Yes it is sad that a company like TDK has adopted this type of
>attitude. I was treated differently at BASF/EMTEC, they helped me out when 
>I
>wanted to buy Metal Maxima TPIV. If you want to obtain the TDK SA-X
>cassettes your best bet is EBAY. I've purchased hundreds of cassettes from
>EBay and ironically they are of the TDK SA / SA-X type. The US is the best
>place to source the tapes and our dollar is not so bad against the US
>dollar. You can find the tapes in brand new never been used condition or if
>you prefer second hand they have then too. You may wish to order from 
>online
>stores that sell these tapes over the web and deliver to your door.
>
>	I hope I have given you some idea on how to obtain these tapes, oh
>and BTW, you will love how your 700 ZXE will sound from Stephen, I 
>purchased
>a RX505 from him and my mouth hit the floor when I heard the recording
>reproduction quality.
>
>	Good luck Alan,
>
>	Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: alan.olan at ing.com.au [mailto:alan.olan at ing.com.au]
>Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2004 10:30 AM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
>
>
>
>
>Hi to All,
>
>Sorry if I have already sent this post but I could not see it in the
>archives.
>
>I was looking for some TDK SA X cassettes and found out that they have been
>discontinued here in Australia.  However, they seem to be still available 
>in
>the
>US through the TDK website.  When I enquired whether there is a way to
>actually
>get some brought in, TDK Australia simply said no and it was bad luck that 
>I
>wanted these type of tapes.  They did not even want to help in contacting
>TDK
>USA to see if they could acquire some even when I suggested that I pay for
>it
>upfront.
>
>Why has TDK adopted this strategy of not giving the consumer any choice,  I
>understand that demand for these have plummeted but still I was willing to
>pay
>for the costs.
>
>I am with anticipation of getting my refurbished 700ZXE from Stephen until
>then
>will have to hunt for some quality tapes.  Any Aussie mebers who have any
>idea
>where there is a good source of tapes in Oz.  I'm in Sydney and have
>struggled
>to find anything but the basic tapes and basic chrome.
>
>Cheers
>Alan
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Wed Jan 28 12:18:56 2004
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:18:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps ZX7 replacements
Message-ID: <026f01c3e590$85690710$aac86391@p4t533c>

Hi Guys,

i want to replace the orange caps in the ZX7 i own but what are the best replacement caps for this baby and where to order?
are there people who have done this job on a ZX7? because i wonder what values of the caps i have to order to complete replacement.

regards

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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Wed Jan 28 12:54:59 2004
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:54:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Service manual ZX7 ZX9
Message-ID: <001c01c3e595$8e20ade0$aac86391@p4t533c>

I forget ,

is there a scan of the ZX7 ZX9 Service manual because of the values of the Orange caps?

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Jan 28 13:39:58 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:39:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK Availablility Worldwide: Alan
Message-ID: <s017c9c7.000@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Greetings Alan,

Unfortunately, it's been getting harder and harder to get good quality
cassettes over the past few years.  One thing is for sure: the practice
that all of us had of buying only when we needed (and being ble to get
what we wanted) is practically gone.  

The heyday of home recording (onto any medium) was during the era of
the LP (because you coudn't play LPs in your car and you wanted to
preserve their lives by recording them onto tape and playing that
instead).  This led to the playing of tapes in both car and home.  CDs
now provide this universal need for most people.   Hence, the per capita
volume of recording people do thesedays (in the digital media age) is
less.  Despite that, CD-Rs are selling in massive numbers as it is a
ubiquitous medium of storage.  According to importers here who have been
in the game for decades, CD-Rs still sell less than tapes did in the old
days.  And they refer to all the formats, including the most expensive
CD-Rs and RWs. minidiscs, all the way down to the spindles of 100
brigade.

If SA is anything to go by, I'm sure you're going to end up getting
quite creative about getting quality cassettes into your stash.  I'm
pretty sure SA-X is still made.  Beware of quality variations with TDK
from different parts of the world.  European TDK, made at their plant in
Luxembourg have a patchy reputation, and one of our members has had
terrible experiences with them.  On the other hand, the English Maxells
from the Telford based factory can't be faulted.

Here are some useful web-based companies selling cassettes and some
commetns on what's still being manufactured:

The short version on all of this is........buy whatever you can now -
you don't know how long it's going to be around.

PART ONE: SUPPLIERS

Here a couple of useful links for getting some really nice tapes into
your personal inventory.

http://www.kvjfairdeal.com/      KVJ London  

The guys are out on the district line to Barking.  Get off at
AldgateEast and you're practically there.  Great little family store
that's
been tops in media for years.  If you buy by the box, you can talk them
into a deal, especially for cash (not credit card). They have good
prices on TDK MA-XG and Maxell XLII.  Their web prices are better as a
rule than in-store prices.

http://www.pricebuster.org.uk/  Pricebuster in London central and
Harrow.  Excellent shops; the Harrow branch does the export shipping. 
Very helpful - shipping is expensive from the UK if you didn't know.  I
think they still have the Maxell XLII-S in stock.

http://www.tapeworld.com/           Tape World

https://www.protape.co.uk/cgi-bin/protape.storefront  Pro Tape UK

http://www.totalmedia.com/  Total Media

http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp  American Digital

Great company up in Connecticut, snappy delivery but only to US
addresses.  They have the best prices on Maxell XLII/90s at the moment -
it might be all they have, but at 79 cents when I last looked - well,
you can't beat that!


Also, look for dusty little piles of tapes in the better hi-fi shops -
you might be able to relieve the owner/manager of the continued burden
of counting them into stock for the billionth time - and snap them up
for a bargain as a job-lot!!  Don't bother looking in large discount
stores etc.  Apart from being a waste of time they are run by people who
don't know and don't care.

********************************************************************************************************

PART TWO: WHAT'S STILL BEING PRODUCED (or is still available - i.e. new
old stock).


Sony still manufactures, to my knowledge, Types Is (ZX, EX, EX Super)
Types IIs (UX, UX Pro and CDit(better than CD-ing from TDK)) and Type IV
(Metal XR)

Maxell (in one location or another) produces UR, UE, UDI(ecellent type
1), UDII, XLII, XLII-S (UK only), Metal CD

Thats (Taiyo Yuden) produces a range of Type IIs and IVs for
professional use.

SKC (SKM LImited) produces Sony clones - LX, CD Super-Chrome and
posssibly others. Look out for the Metal Tech "ZX".

TDK produces B, D, AD, SA, SA-X (not all markets), SM-X (US market -
pro version of SA-X) and MA (not all markets).  Also CDing I and II.

BASF/EMTEC produces Chrome Extra, Chrome Record II, Ferro Extra, Record
I and one of the Maximas (either Ref Maxima in Europe or Reference
Master IN N. America).  You should find the odd stock of Chrome Super
II, Chrome Maxima II and possible Metal Maxima TPIV.

Have a look on E-Bay for deals on new, wrapped blank tapes at the
following link:

http://listings.ebay.com/pool2/plistings/list/all/category14962/index.html?from=R4

  


**************************************************************************************************************************************

PART THREE:  

1.  I wouldn't worry too much about about Nakamichi being biased
specially for TDK.  Provided you can tweak bias on your front panel (or
even auto - calibrate with a CR-7) then it's not a problem.  I use
plenty of different cassettes on my decks with great results.

2.  Older TDK cassettes were a bit "tougher" than the current
generation, when it comes to durability.


Never stop hunting!! My ex-wife recently found for me a Sony Super
Metal Master and a carton of Sony Metal XRs in Madagascar!!!!  


Good luck!!


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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 14:33:01 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:33:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps ZX7 replacements
In-Reply-To: <026f01c3e590$85690710$aac86391@p4t533c>
Message-ID: <20040128133301.61716.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com>

Stephen Sank had said which caps he recommends in the
past.  I captured that an put it on my web page.  It
just so happens to be at the top.

http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads

You can't be sure from the service manual which caps
are the dreaded orange caps and which aren't.  You
just need to open the deck and look.  Also sometimes
the values are different from the manual due to mid
production tweaks to the design.  The caps will be
orange (obviously) and labeled with a value on them. 
It's the three digit number.  The first two digits are
the value with the third being the magnitude.
Example:
101 - 0.0001uF or 100 pF
102 - 0.001uF or 1000 pF
103 - 0.01uF
104 - 0.1uF
105 - 1.0uF, but, you won't find any this large.

Then 331 would be 330pF, 222 would be 2200 pF and 473
would be 0.047uF.

BTW - What happened to your site?
http://users.castel.nl/~wijnn01/nakamichi/home.htm

--- Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net>
wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> i want to replace the orange caps in the ZX7 i own
> but what are the best replacement caps for this baby
> and where to order?
> are there people who have done this job on a ZX7?
> because i wonder what values of the caps i have to
> order to complete replacement.
> 
> regards
> 
> Norman>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Jan 28 14:48:17 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:48:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
In-Reply-To: <005801c3e566$4ee37420$6e144f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5><005201c3e55d$22b3bdf0$23773242@CopyTech>
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I first heard them years ago at Opus One in Pittsburgh where they blew me away. 
Probably driven by some huge Audio Research tube monster. Those DQ-10's can 
still be upgraded with new boards and all parts, impressive.

On hold here in cold Delaware awaiting Marathon CD audition!

John T.

Quoting p r <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk>:

> one of my fav speakers dq10s
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: John M. Tooley 
>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:15 AM
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
> 
> 
>   Carlos,
>    
>   For years I lusted for a Yamaha CT-7000 Tuner. I got one and had it checked
> over by a Tuner guru in San Diego, CA. Same styling as those Receivers. I
> would now very much like a pair of their large speakers but that is when
> spouses tend to put their foot down and say NO! At least mine did after
> seeing the Dahlquest DQ-10's I had just bought. ;-)
>    
>   John T.
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: El Magnifico 
>     To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>     Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:11 AM
>     Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
> 
> 
>     I love and collect those Yamaha's too. I have the 2020 and was looking
> for the big 3020 but I missed the opportunity 2 weeks ago at e.bay. It went
> for $660.00 !
>      
>     Carlos
>       ----- Original Message ----- 
>       From: Frank Kelly Jr 
>       To: naktalk at naks.com 
>       Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:55 PM
>       Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
> 
> 
>       Fred:
>        
>       I also have been doing archiving from both my albums and friends. Along
> with some CD's.
>       Look at a program called AUDIO CLEANING LAB 3.0 from Magix. Their site
> is www.magix.com.
>        
>       My equipment is a Dual 1242 turntable with a Stanton 681 EEE , feeding
> a Yamaha CR-840 reciever - this unit allows taping to two sources a the same
> time. My tape equipment is an AKAI 630d reel to reel and a Nak 680.
>        
>       The results are outstanding.
>        
>       Frank
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Jan 28 14:48:38 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:48:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps ZX7 replacements
In-Reply-To: <026f01c3e590$85690710$aac86391@p4t533c>
References: <026f01c3e590$85690710$aac86391@p4t533c>
Message-ID: <4017BDB6.50706@rcn.com>


Polypropelene caps are sonically the best for audio (at
least, theoretically) . I like the Panasonic ECQ-P series,
but be aware that they are larger than the film capacitors
used by Nakamichi and could be difficult to install in some
locations. Digikey carries them, as well as Panasonic series
FC electrolytics.

To make a list of caps to replace, you need to open up the
unit and make a list of all orange colored caps. The service
manual is not much help, since Nakamichi used differently
sourced caps in different production runs. I recently did
this for my CR-7 and included all electrolytic coupling (but
not other electrolytic capacitors. I now have all these caps,
but haven't installed them yet. Some of these caps are in
the equalization circuits. Replacing them will require
recalibration of the CR-7.

-- Ron



Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> i want to replace the orange caps in the ZX7 i own but what are the best replacement caps for this baby and where to order?
> are there people who have done this job on a ZX7? because i wonder what values of the caps i have to order to complete replacement.
> 
> regards
> 
> Norman




From npt at comcast.net  Wed Jan 28 15:02:02 2004
From: npt at comcast.net (npt at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:02:02 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
Message-ID: <012820041402.15873.47b5@comcast.net>

I had a Receiver 1 (purchased used for a song) for several years and served me EXTREMELY well, until it gave up the ghost recently.  Took it to my local Nak dealer who pronounced it DOA.

Now, while I continue to use my dinky Yamaha receiver ;-) I'm in the market for a new amp or receiver and am interested in the Naks as an option.  I drool over the Stasis amps but wonder also if the Stasis-equipped receivers are good also (e.g., TA or SR series). What about the much later (and non-Stasis) RE-10, which looks like it's being dumped these days, also?  Lots of questions there, but any opinions?

Thanks,
Nick


From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 28 19:24:58 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:24:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
References: <BAY2-F74j74qkjjo44x000158b4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c3e5cc$09e27130$36773242@CopyTech>

National Recording Supplies in Brooklyn, NY has been my source for over 5
years now. They are in the web.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:35 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?


> Alan:
>
> If you want tapes....Capital Electronics here in NYC will ship to you...if
> you want their information let me know and I'll obtain same.
>
> Neil Lipes
>
>
> >From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
> >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:49:17 +1100
> >
> >Hi Alan. Yes it is sad that a company like TDK has adopted this type of
> >attitude. I was treated differently at BASF/EMTEC, they helped me out
when
> >I
> >wanted to buy Metal Maxima TPIV. If you want to obtain the TDK SA-X
> >cassettes your best bet is EBAY. I've purchased hundreds of cassettes
from
> >EBay and ironically they are of the TDK SA / SA-X type. The US is the
best
> >place to source the tapes and our dollar is not so bad against the US
> >dollar. You can find the tapes in brand new never been used condition or
if
> >you prefer second hand they have then too. You may wish to order from
> >online
> >stores that sell these tapes over the web and deliver to your door.
> >
> > I hope I have given you some idea on how to obtain these tapes, oh
> >and BTW, you will love how your 700 ZXE will sound from Stephen, I
> >purchased
> >a RX505 from him and my mouth hit the floor when I heard the recording
> >reproduction quality.
> >
> > Good luck Alan,
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: alan.olan at ing.com.au [mailto:alan.olan at ing.com.au]
> >Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2004 10:30 AM
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi to All,
> >
> >Sorry if I have already sent this post but I could not see it in the
> >archives.
> >
> >I was looking for some TDK SA X cassettes and found out that they have
been
> >discontinued here in Australia.  However, they seem to be still available
> >in
> >the
> >US through the TDK website.  When I enquired whether there is a way to
> >actually
> >get some brought in, TDK Australia simply said no and it was bad luck
that
> >I
> >wanted these type of tapes.  They did not even want to help in contacting
> >TDK
> >USA to see if they could acquire some even when I suggested that I pay
for
> >it
> >upfront.
> >
> >Why has TDK adopted this strategy of not giving the consumer any choice,
I
> >understand that demand for these have plummeted but still I was willing
to
> >pay
> >for the costs.
> >
> >I am with anticipation of getting my refurbished 700ZXE from Stephen
until
> >then
> >will have to hunt for some quality tapes.  Any Aussie mebers who have any
> >idea
> >where there is a good source of tapes in Oz.  I'm in Sydney and have
> >struggled
> >to find anything but the basic tapes and basic chrome.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Alan
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jan 28 19:24:28 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:24:28 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
Message-ID: <2d5325d2d54805.2d548052d5325d@vsnl.net>


Hi Nick
I am having a TA3A receiver and used one SR4A for a short time- both are excellent in terms of sound quality. SR4 is better built than TA3/4 but TA3/ 4 has more power and the same sweet sound as SR series - worth investing money on either as they are pretty low cost right now comparing their original prices! 
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: npt at comcast.net
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:02 am
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps

> I had a Receiver 1 (purchased used for a song) for several years 
> and served me EXTREMELY well, until it gave up the ghost recently. 
> Took it to my local Nak dealer who pronounced it DOA.
> 
> Now, while I continue to use my dinky Yamaha receiver ;-) I'm in 
> the market for a new amp or receiver and am interested in the Naks 
> as an option.  I drool over the Stasis amps but wonder also if the 
> Stasis-equipped receivers are good also (e.g., TA or SR series). 
> What about the much later (and non-Stasis) RE-10, which looks like 
> it's being dumped these days, also?  Lots of questions there, but 
> any opinions?
> 
> Thanks,
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From jazzao at primus.com.au  Wed Jan 28 19:47:20 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:47:20 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
Message-ID: <401803B8.50605@primus.com.au>

Tom,

I'll stock up when I do go overseas mid year.  I think EMTEC Australia 
is no longer in business, their number has been disconnected.

How's your RX505?  My uncle has one that is multi voltage, and was going 
to sell it but asked me if I wanted it.  I'll see when I go overseas,  
might use it as a backup deck for the 700ZXE.

Cheers
Alan



From RTLehe at aol.com  Wed Jan 28 21:02:44 2004
From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:02:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions
Message-ID: <44B22B38.281820C2.0004E774@aol.com>

Do the caps deteriorate merely with the passage of time, or does it depend on the amount of use?  If time alone will bring the problems, how long does it typically take, if its possible to generalize?  Thanks for any forthcoming info.

Tad


From c123666 at comcast.net  Wed Jan 28 21:27:33 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CarlC)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:27:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <012820041402.15873.47b5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <008101c3e5dd$293f1900$1702a8c0@mine>

The original Yamaha CR receivers are fine units if you can find one in nice
condition and probably right up there with the Nakamichi in performance.  I
picked up a used CR600 for 40 bucks, plugged it into an Adcom GFA 535 II and
a pair of Boston CR7 speakers (another 50 bucks; such a deal) and made a
wonderful present to my 19 w/o son.  He adores the system.

A CR800 or 1000 is a wonderful receiver.  I would not go past the next
generation of Yamaha receivers, though; ie, the CR620, 820 and so on.
Quality started going down as Yamaha decided to compete with Pioneer and
Kenwood on features and ratings and PRICE.

Of course, a modded Dynaco SCA 35 tube integrated amp will beat any of these
hands down; tubes rule.

Carl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <npt at comcast.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:02 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps


> I had a Receiver 1 (purchased used for a song) for several years and
served me EXTREMELY well, until it gave up the ghost recently.  Took it to
my local Nak dealer who pronounced it DOA.
>
> Now, while I continue to use my dinky Yamaha receiver ;-) I'm in the
market for a new amp or receiver and am interested in the Naks as an option.
I drool over the Stasis amps but wonder also if the Stasis-equipped
receivers are good also (e.g., TA or SR series). What about the much later
(and non-Stasis) RE-10, which looks like it's being dumped these days, also?
Lots of questions there, but any opinions?
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Wed Jan 28 23:46:43 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:46:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Up Date
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5><003b01c3e549$bedfb0d0$55773242@CopyTech><001601c3e52d$63bfa960$3adde944@pittpa.adelphia.net>
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Carlos,

Anticipation!  And many thanks.  That's all I'll say.

Dean
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:14 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Up Date


  The following funds were received today and the sets are en-route:

  Tony Boysick
  Jud Herrman
  Scott Caldwell
  Dean Bauer

  Thanks !

  Carlos



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From HerbChong at compuserve.com  Thu Jan 29 01:03:12 2004
From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:03:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
Message-ID: <200401281932_MC3-1-6A8F-7979@compuserve.com>

i have a CA-2010 that has been extensively modified. all of the smaller
caps have been replaced the larger ones bypassed. much of the internal
wiring in the signal path has been upgraded. unfortunately, the switches
are going on it, but it is a fine sounding amp and the builtin MC head amp
isn't too bad either.

Herb....



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Jan 29 03:49:34 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:49:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions
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Message-ID: <401874BE.4010802@rcn.com>

RTLehe at aol.com wrote:
> Do the caps deteriorate merely with the passage of time, or does it depend on the amount of use?  If time alone will bring the problems, how long does it typically take, if its possible to generalize?  Thanks for any forthcoming info.
> 
> Tad

The caps *seem* to deteriorate with time, not just use, though
I doubt anyone can say for sure. They take many years (typically:
15, 20 years). My CR-7, made in 1985, still has all original
orange caps in place and sounds real good.

-- Ron




From hisself at ol-jim.com  Thu Jan 29 05:00:56 2004
From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:00:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
In-Reply-To: <008101c3e5dd$293f1900$1702a8c0@mine>
Message-ID: <40183F28.24799.59B9EC6@localhost>

> Of course, a modded Dynaco SCA 35 tube integrated amp will beat any of
> these hands down; tubes rule.
> 

Can you still buy tubes for these things?


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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Jan 29 06:00:47 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:00:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions
Message-ID: <2d9c0922d9cc22.2d9cc222d9c092@vsnl.net>

Ron
These Orange Caps behaviour ( actually their Capacitance itself changes) with areas where they undergo stress with fluctuating voltages- like Bias Oscillator, Dolby Circuits etc not on small signal voltage areas! 
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:49 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions

> RTLehe at aol.com wrote:
> > Do the caps deteriorate merely with the passage of time, or does 
> it depend on the amount of use?  If time alone will bring the 
> problems, how long does it typically take, if its possible to 
> generalize?  Thanks for any forthcoming info.
> > 
> > Tad
> 
> The caps *seem* to deteriorate with time, not just use, though
> I doubt anyone can say for sure. They take many years (typically:
> 15, 20 years). My CR-7, made in 1985, still has all original
> orange caps in place and sounds real good.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Jan 29 07:06:03 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:06:03 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D375@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

My RX505 is still going strong, I suggest you get your uncle's RX505 because
it's awesome to watch.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 5:47 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?


Tom,

I'll stock up when I do go overseas mid year.  I think EMTEC Australia 
is no longer in business, their number has been disconnected.

How's your RX505?  My uncle has one that is multi voltage, and was going 
to sell it but asked me if I wanted it.  I'll see when I go overseas,  
might use it as a backup deck for the 700ZXE.

Cheers
Alan

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Jan 29 07:21:02 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:21:02 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <012820041402.15873.47b5@comcast.net>
	<008101c3e5dd$293f1900$1702a8c0@mine>
Message-ID: <001e01c3e630$11f937f0$56944d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

ive got 2 cr-1000 receivers excellent weigh nearly 20kg and can reccomend
them, although they have a few problems with the psu board-had to repair
both
pr
----- Original Message -----
From: "CarlC" <c123666 at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps


> The original Yamaha CR receivers are fine units if you can find one in
nice
> condition and probably right up there with the Nakamichi in performance.
I
> picked up a used CR600 for 40 bucks, plugged it into an Adcom GFA 535 II
and
> a pair of Boston CR7 speakers (another 50 bucks; such a deal) and made a
> wonderful present to my 19 w/o son.  He adores the system.
>
> A CR800 or 1000 is a wonderful receiver.  I would not go past the next
> generation of Yamaha receivers, though; ie, the CR620, 820 and so on.
> Quality started going down as Yamaha decided to compete with Pioneer and
> Kenwood on features and ratings and PRICE.
>
> Of course, a modded Dynaco SCA 35 tube integrated amp will beat any of
these
> hands down; tubes rule.
>
> Carl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <npt at comcast.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:02 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
>
>
> > I had a Receiver 1 (purchased used for a song) for several years and
> served me EXTREMELY well, until it gave up the ghost recently.  Took it to
> my local Nak dealer who pronounced it DOA.
> >
> > Now, while I continue to use my dinky Yamaha receiver ;-) I'm in the
> market for a new amp or receiver and am interested in the Naks as an
option.
> I drool over the Stasis amps but wonder also if the Stasis-equipped
> receivers are good also (e.g., TA or SR series). What about the much later
> (and non-Stasis) RE-10, which looks like it's being dumped these days,
also?
> Lots of questions there, but any opinions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 29 08:00:03 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CarlC)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:00:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <40183F28.24799.59B9EC6@localhost>
Message-ID: <012a01c3e635$85387230$1702a8c0@mine>

I know the 7591 tubes can be had these days at least from NOS.  Dunno about
the other ones but I've been able to find anything I've needed for other
tube amps.  Now if Western Electric would just start producing the 300b
again like they SAID they would....


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" <hisself at ol-jim.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps


> > Of course, a modded Dynaco SCA 35 tube integrated amp will beat any of
> > these hands down; tubes rule.
> >
>
> Can you still buy tubes for these things?
>
>
> Ol' Jim, hisself
>
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>
>
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From lyra at abc.lt  Thu Jan 29 08:57:35 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:57:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <40183F28.24799.59B9EC6@localhost>
	<012a01c3e635$85387230$1702a8c0@mine>
Message-ID: <00be01c3e63d$8ed89ce0$040310ac@lyra2>

Hey, Western Electric started producing their legendary 300B several years
ago. The price is really high, but worth every cent...


> I know the 7591 tubes can be had these days at least from NOS.  Dunno
about
> the other ones but I've been able to find anything I've needed for other
> tube amps.  Now if Western Electric would just start producing the 300b
> again like they SAID they would....
>
>




From alan.olan at ing.com.au  Thu Jan 29 01:00:59 2004
From: alan.olan at ing.com.au (alan.olan at ing.com.au)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:00:59 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Just found some TDK MA-X s
Message-ID: <CA256E29.0083D172.00@ingsydhog2.mercantilemutual.com.au>



Hi,

My continued hunt for some quality cassettes down under led me back to TDK
Australia but got a different person who was much more helpful.  BTW even though
they had stock of MAs the dealers they directed me too totally refused to make a
personal order, don't know whats going on there.  So they directed me to a
couple of distributors.  One distributor still has stock of about 60 TDK MA X
60s.  Are these better than MA 60s which they have a lot of stock of.  The price
they quoted is not much more that the MAs.

What's a good price I should pay for the 60 MAXs?  If I buy these, I'll get
Stephen to calibrate my deck for metal and Maxell XlII for type II.

Thanks again for your comments.

Cheers
Alan

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From merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com  Thu Jan 29 09:03:55 2004
From: merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com (merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:03:55 +0100
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
Message-ID: <OFC4B867B5.1B044CAB-ONC1256E2A.002C23E4-C1256E2A.002C4E6C@bayer.de>






That's true, but try the "Fakes" from China or so, they can sound really good
and cost a lot less......  I'd rather see WE produce their 300A again. But
that's probably wishful thinking.

Cheers
Merten


                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
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Hey, Western Electric started producing their legendary 300B several years
ago. The price is really high, but worth every cent...


> I know the 7591 tubes can be had these days at least from NOS.  Dunno
about
> the other ones but I've been able to find anything I've needed for other
> tube amps.  Now if Western Electric would just start producing the 300b
> again like they SAID they would....
>
>


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From c123666 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 29 10:51:36 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CarlC)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:51:36 -0800
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <OFC4B867B5.1B044CAB-ONC1256E2A.002C23E4-C1256E2A.002C4E6C@bayer.de>
Message-ID: <015501c3e64d$7c90cac0$1702a8c0@mine>

I have a pair of Chinese military grade 300b tubes that came with my Audio
Note conqueror.  They remain in their box.  Sophia mesh plate 300b tubes
adorn the Conqueror amplifier and the nicer sound is audible.

I might use one of the chino tubes to build a SET 300b guitar amplifier.

Carl

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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps


>
>
>
>
>
> That's true, but try the "Fakes" from China or so, they can sound really
good
> and cost a lot less......  I'd rather see WE produce their 300A again. But
> that's probably wishful thinking.
>
> Cheers
> Merten
>
>
>
>
>
>                                                 An: "CarlC"
<c123666 at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
>                                                     <naktalk at naks.com>
>                                                 Kopie:
>                                                 Thema:   Re: [naktalk] Nak
receivers/amps
>               naktalk-bounces at naks.com
>               Received :  29.01.2004
>               08:59
>               Bitte antworten an Talk
>               about Nakamichi Cassette
>               Decks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey, Western Electric started producing their legendary 300B several years
> ago. The price is really high, but worth every cent...
>
>
> > I know the 7591 tubes can be had these days at least from NOS.  Dunno
> about
> > the other ones but I've been able to find anything I've needed for other
> > tube amps.  Now if Western Electric would just start producing the 300b
> > again like they SAID they would....
> >
> >
>
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From lyra at abc.lt  Thu Jan 29 11:11:13 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:11:13 +0200
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <OFC4B867B5.1B044CAB-ONC1256E2A.002C23E4-C1256E2A.002C4E6C@bayer.de>
Message-ID: <002501c3e650$3a0c90a0$040310ac@lyra2>


Yes, some Chinese tubes are very good. But if you want the ultimate, there
is no substitute :)


>
> That's true, but try the "Fakes" from China or so, they can sound really
good
> and cost a lot less......  I'd rather see WE produce their 300A again. But
> that's probably wishful thinking.
>
> Cheers
> Merten




From lyra at abc.lt  Thu Jan 29 11:20:40 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:20:40 +0200
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <OFC4B867B5.1B044CAB-ONC1256E2A.002C23E4-C1256E2A.002C4E6C@bayer.de>
	<015501c3e64d$7c90cac0$1702a8c0@mine>
Message-ID: <004d01c3e651$8bdbc080$040310ac@lyra2>

Carl,

What speakers you are using with Conqueror?

Tadas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "CarlC" <c123666 at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:51
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps


> I have a pair of Chinese military grade 300b tubes that came with my Audio
> Note conqueror.  They remain in their box.  Sophia mesh plate 300b tubes
> adorn the Conqueror amplifier and the nicer sound is audible.
>
> I might use one of the chino tubes to build a SET 300b guitar amplifier.
>
> Carl
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:03 AM
> Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That's true, but try the "Fakes" from China or so, they can sound really
> good
> > and cost a lot less......  I'd rather see WE produce their 300A again.
But
> > that's probably wishful thinking.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Merten
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                                                 An: "CarlC"
> <c123666 at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> >                                                     <naktalk at naks.com>
> >                                                 Kopie:
> >                                                 Thema:   Re: [naktalk]
Nak
> receivers/amps
> >               naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> >               Received :  29.01.2004
> >               08:59
> >               Bitte antworten an Talk
> >               about Nakamichi Cassette
> >               Decks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey, Western Electric started producing their legendary 300B several
years
> > ago. The price is really high, but worth every cent...
> >
> >
> > > I know the 7591 tubes can be had these days at least from NOS.  Dunno
> > about
> > > the other ones but I've been able to find anything I've needed for
other
> > > tube amps.  Now if Western Electric would just start producing the
300b
> > > again like they SAID they would....
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 29 11:31:47 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CarlC)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:31:47 -0800
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <OFC4B867B5.1B044CAB-ONC1256E2A.002C23E4-C1256E2A.002C4E6C@bayer.de><015501c3e64d$7c90cac0$1702a8c0@mine>
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Message-ID: <017501c3e653$199a1bf0$1702a8c0@mine>

Tadas,
The speakers are the cheapest part of the chain other than the subwoofer.  I
picked them up used for 650 with their boxes; such a deal.  Nick had them at
his shop; they'd been tumbled a few times and the corners crushed; I don't
care...they work.

They are Audio Note K/L.  They are the smallest of the three bookshelf
speakers they sell that are based on the 1980s Snell designs.  My speaker is
rated at 91db sens but, more importantly, the impedance range is 6 > 8 ohms.
I am told this mates very well with the transformer on the Conqueror
amplifier.

In any event it plays very loud if I want it to; usually not.  There is
plenty of bass from these modest sized 8" driver speakers.

Best sounding system I've ever had.  Prior systems included PS Audio, Mark
Levinson, Spectral, Spendor, Thiel, Linn, McIntosh, NAD.  None of the prior
systems reproduces music like the Audio Note system.  It works.  The Audio
Note turntable with the rb300 arm w/Dynavector dv20x bring out the music
from the old album collection.  CDs don't much get used these days and even
fewer get bought.

This system stays.

Carl



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From: "Tadas Motiejunas" <lyra at abc.lt>
To: "CarlC" <c123666 at comcast.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps


> Carl,
>
> What speakers you are using with Conqueror?
>
> Tadas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "CarlC" <c123666 at comcast.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:51
> Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
>
>
> > I have a pair of Chinese military grade 300b tubes that came with my
Audio
> > Note conqueror.  They remain in their box.  Sophia mesh plate 300b tubes
> > adorn the Conqueror amplifier and the nicer sound is audible.
> >
> > I might use one of the chino tubes to build a SET 300b guitar amplifier.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:03 AM
> > Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's true, but try the "Fakes" from China or so, they can sound
really
> > good
> > > and cost a lot less......  I'd rather see WE produce their 300A again.
> But
> > > that's probably wishful thinking.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Merten
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                                                 An: "CarlC"
> > <c123666 at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> > >                                                     <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >                                                 Kopie:
> > >                                                 Thema:   Re: [naktalk]
> Nak
> > receivers/amps
> > >               naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> > >               Received :  29.01.2004
> > >               08:59
> > >               Bitte antworten an Talk
> > >               about Nakamichi Cassette
> > >               Decks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey, Western Electric started producing their legendary 300B several
> years
> > > ago. The price is really high, but worth every cent...
> > >
> > >
> > > > I know the 7591 tubes can be had these days at least from NOS.
Dunno
> > > about
> > > > the other ones but I've been able to find anything I've needed for
> other
> > > > tube amps.  Now if Western Electric would just start producing the
> 300b
> > > > again like they SAID they would....
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Jan 29 11:28:11 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:28:11 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Just found some TDK MA-X s
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D376@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

My guess would be anything between 3-5 dollars Australian for a reasonable
price, perhaps they are willing to sell cheaper. Alan I'd snap these up, who
knows if these tape are available in the very near future.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: alan.olan at ing.com.au [mailto:alan.olan at ing.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:01 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Just found some TDK MA-X s




Hi,

My continued hunt for some quality cassettes down under led me back to TDK
Australia but got a different person who was much more helpful.  BTW even
though
they had stock of MAs the dealers they directed me too totally refused to
make a
personal order, don't know whats going on there.  So they directed me to a
couple of distributors.  One distributor still has stock of about 60 TDK MA
X
60s.  Are these better than MA 60s which they have a lot of stock of.  The
price
they quoted is not much more that the MAs.

What's a good price I should pay for the 60 MAXs?  If I buy these, I'll get
Stephen to calibrate my deck for metal and Maxell XlII for type II.

Thanks again for your comments.

Cheers
Alan

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From lyra at abc.lt  Thu Jan 29 11:45:22 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:45:22 +0200
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <OFC4B867B5.1B044CAB-ONC1256E2A.002C23E4-C1256E2A.002C4E6C@bayer.de><015501c3e64d$7c90cac0$1702a8c0@mine><004d01c3e651$8bdbc080$040310ac@lyra2>
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Carlos,

You have a great system. I know AN products very well (it happened so that
my business is related with a distribution of AN in Baltic States). It is
impossible to find better system for MUSIC reproduction than AN, we tried
this so many times :) NO CHANCE.

Tadas



> Tadas,
> The speakers are the cheapest part of the chain other than the subwoofer.
I
> picked them up used for 650 with their boxes; such a deal.  Nick had them
at
> his shop; they'd been tumbled a few times and the corners crushed; I don't
> care...they work.
>
> They are Audio Note K/L.  They are the smallest of the three bookshelf
> speakers they sell that are based on the 1980s Snell designs.  My speaker
is
> rated at 91db sens but, more importantly, the impedance range is 6 > 8
ohms.
> I am told this mates very well with the transformer on the Conqueror
> amplifier.
>
> In any event it plays very loud if I want it to; usually not.  There is
> plenty of bass from these modest sized 8" driver speakers.
>
> Best sounding system I've ever had.  Prior systems included PS Audio, Mark
> Levinson, Spectral, Spendor, Thiel, Linn, McIntosh, NAD.  None of the
prior
> systems reproduces music like the Audio Note system.  It works.  The Audio
> Note turntable with the rb300 arm w/Dynavector dv20x bring out the music
> from the old album collection.  CDs don't much get used these days and
even
> fewer get bought.
>
> This system stays.
>
> Carl
>




From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Thu Jan 29 13:30:24 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:30:24 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Just found some TDK MA-X s
Message-ID: <s018b6a7.060@mail.anderson.edu>

Alan,
 
Yes MA-X is "slightly" better than MA.  If I'm remembering correctly, most of the attributes [frequency response, maximum record levels(with 3 % distortion), modulation noise, signal-to-noise, etc.] are just a little better than MA.  Seem to remember the "background noise" of the tape was slightly quieter on the MA-X.  This was difficult to hear, consistently on speakers, but much easier on headphones.  Will try to remember to check the last tests run in Audio Magazine on audio cassette tapes.  A great price on these tapes would be around $2.00 US.  I'd still be happy with prices around $2.50-$2.75 for those tapes.  About 2 years ago I got 50 MA-60's at $0.99 each on a blowout sale, but they only shipped by FedEx 2nd day, which was around $17.00-$18.00.  Still was a good deal, but that supplier ran out a long time ago.
 
If your price of the MA-X 60's is about 10-15% higher than the MA 60's, that sounds good to me.
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth


>>> alan.olan at ing.com.au 01/28/04 07:00PM >>>


Hi,

My continued hunt for some quality cassettes down under led me back to TDK
Australia but got a different person who was much more helpful.  BTW even though
they had stock of MAs the dealers they directed me too totally refused to make a
personal order, don't know whats going on there.  So they directed me to a
couple of distributors.  One distributor still has stock of about 60 TDK MA X
60s.  Are these better than MA 60s which they have a lot of stock of.  The price
they quoted is not much more that the MAs.

What's a good price I should pay for the 60 MAXs?  If I buy these, I'll get
Stephen to calibrate my deck for metal and Maxell XlII for type II.

Thanks again for your comments.

Cheers
Alan

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 29 15:28:25 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:28:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F152VTQYxtVkGn00032bc4@hotmail.com>

Oh Tom!

What about actually listen to???

Neil


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:06:03 +1100
>
>My RX505 is still going strong, I suggest you get your uncle's RX505 
>because
>it's awesome to watch.
>
>	Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan Olan [mailto:jazzao at primus.com.au]
>Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 5:47 AM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
>
>
>Tom,
>
>I'll stock up when I do go overseas mid year.  I think EMTEC Australia
>is no longer in business, their number has been disconnected.
>
>How's your RX505?  My uncle has one that is multi voltage, and was going
>to sell it but asked me if I wanted it.  I'll see when I go overseas,
>might use it as a backup deck for the 700ZXE.
>
>Cheers
>Alan
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Jan 29 15:29:50 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:29:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions
In-Reply-To: <2d9c0922d9cc22.2d9cc222d9c092@vsnl.net>
References: <2d9c0922d9cc22.2d9cc222d9c092@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <401918DE.3020206@rcn.com>


Yes, Kannan, I know that. OTOH, how can we explain a CR-7
that was hardly ever used, spent years in the sealed box
and comes out of it with bad orange caps? Just from what
I hear, I suspect the caps are not properly sealed and,
after many years, the layers separate internally. It makes
sense that the effect may be accelerated by electrical stress.

-- Ron


kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> Ron
> These Orange Caps behaviour ( actually their Capacitance itself changes) with areas where they undergo stress with fluctuating voltages- like Bias Oscillator, Dolby Circuits etc not on small signal voltage areas! 
> kannan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions
> 
> 
>>RTLehe at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>Do the caps deteriorate merely with the passage of time, or does 
>>
>>it depend on the amount of use?  If time alone will bring the 
>>problems, how long does it typically take, if its possible to 
>>generalize?  Thanks for any forthcoming info.
>>
>>>Tad
>>
>>The caps *seem* to deteriorate with time, not just use, though
>>I doubt anyone can say for sure. They take many years (typically:
>>15, 20 years). My CR-7, made in 1985, still has all original
>>orange caps in place and sounds real good.
>>
>>-- Ron
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Jan 29 20:16:57 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:16:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions
Message-ID: <2f00ec42f01f70.2f01f702f00ec4@vsnl.net>

Yes Ron 
I understand your point. With the my manufacturing experience - my assumption is that all orange caps( manufactured by the same company in period of say 10 years) may not be  bad but some of them turn bad after some years of time probably the particular values used in bias Oscillator and Dolby circuits? - I have seen a brand new ZX9 bias oscillator blew while I was started testing the machine while the Dolby circuits already was misbehaving. While my Dragon had only bad cap in auto azimuth circuit( one channel only) while all other areas working fine. When I removed the Cap in Dragon I found its value was three times the value written on it while the right circuit same position cap is fine!

That is -whatever quality control setup that the company was using must have passed the item as it should have come from some Japanese source and japanese quality system was decent enough in seventies or early eighties. But some capacitors may have defective raw material or defective process randomly occurring. Unfortunately the symptoms appear after years of use which must have escaped nakamichi' Quality systems as the use continued over a decade starting with 582 going up to Dragon in 1990's1
kannan 

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:29 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions

> 
> Yes, Kannan, I know that. OTOH, how can we explain a CR-7
> that was hardly ever used, spent years in the sealed box
> and comes out of it with bad orange caps? Just from what
> I hear, I suspect the caps are not properly sealed and,
> after many years, the layers separate internally. It makes
> sense that the effect may be accelerated by electrical stress.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> > Ron
> > These Orange Caps behaviour ( actually their Capacitance itself 
> changes) with areas where they undergo stress with fluctuating 
> voltages- like Bias Oscillator, Dolby Circuits etc not on small 
> signal voltage areas! 
> > kannan
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:49 pm
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions
> > 
> > 
> >>RTLehe at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>Do the caps deteriorate merely with the passage of time, or 
> does 
> >>
> >>it depend on the amount of use?  If time alone will bring the 
> >>problems, how long does it typically take, if its possible to 
> >>generalize?  Thanks for any forthcoming info.
> >>
> >>>Tad
> >>
> >>The caps *seem* to deteriorate with time, not just use, though
> >>I doubt anyone can say for sure. They take many years (typically:
> >>15, 20 years). My CR-7, made in 1985, still has all original
> >>orange caps in place and sounds real good.
> >>
> >>-- Ron
> >>
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Jan 30 06:01:26 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:01:26 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D377@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

And to listen too :)

-----Original Message-----
From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 30 January 2004 1:28 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?


Oh Tom!

What about actually listen to???

Neil


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:06:03 +1100
>
>My RX505 is still going strong, I suggest you get your uncle's RX505 
>because
>it's awesome to watch.
>
>	Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan Olan [mailto:jazzao at primus.com.au]
>Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 5:47 AM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Different TDK Availability Worldwide?
>
>
>Tom,
>
>I'll stock up when I do go overseas mid year.  I think EMTEC Australia
>is no longer in business, their number has been disconnected.
>
>How's your RX505?  My uncle has one that is multi voltage, and was going
>to sell it but asked me if I wanted it.  I'll see when I go overseas,
>might use it as a backup deck for the 700ZXE.
>
>Cheers
>Alan
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan 30 20:41:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:41:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
References: <012820041402.15873.47b5@comcast.net>
	<008101c3e5dd$293f1900$1702a8c0@mine>
Message-ID: <004f01c3e769$14438ee0$72773242@CopyTech>

I can't complaint about my 2020 and I'm still looking for the 3020,so, who
knows ... People usually refers to the 2020 as the top of the line because
the 3020 was special order item only and way too big. The series
deteriorated with the "40" series: 640,840,2040. Beautiful beasts but less
quality control.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "CarlC" <c123666 at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps


> The original Yamaha CR receivers are fine units if you can find one in
nice
> condition and probably right up there with the Nakamichi in performance.
I
> picked up a used CR600 for 40 bucks, plugged it into an Adcom GFA 535 II
and
> a pair of Boston CR7 speakers (another 50 bucks; such a deal) and made a
> wonderful present to my 19 w/o son.  He adores the system.
>
> A CR800 or 1000 is a wonderful receiver.  I would not go past the next
> generation of Yamaha receivers, though; ie, the CR620, 820 and so on.
> Quality started going down as Yamaha decided to compete with Pioneer and
> Kenwood on features and ratings and PRICE.
>
> Of course, a modded Dynaco SCA 35 tube integrated amp will beat any of
these
> hands down; tubes rule.
>
> Carl
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <npt at comcast.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:02 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers/amps
>
>
> > I had a Receiver 1 (purchased used for a song) for several years and
> served me EXTREMELY well, until it gave up the ghost recently.  Took it to
> my local Nak dealer who pronounced it DOA.
> >
> > Now, while I continue to use my dinky Yamaha receiver ;-) I'm in the
> market for a new amp or receiver and am interested in the Naks as an
option.
> I drool over the Stasis amps but wonder also if the Stasis-equipped
> receivers are good also (e.g., TA or SR series). What about the much later
> (and non-Stasis) RE-10, which looks like it's being dumped these days,
also?
> Lots of questions there, but any opinions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan 30 20:52:24 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:52:24 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions
References: <2d9c0922d9cc22.2d9cc222d9c092@vsnl.net> <401918DE.3020206@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01c3e76a$956e4f90$72773242@CopyTech>

That's exactly what happened to my 1000 ZXL. 10 years in the original box
inside a closeet. Never played a full C-90. Came out of the box full
malaises.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions


>
> Yes, Kannan, I know that. OTOH, how can we explain a CR-7
> that was hardly ever used, spent years in the sealed box
> and comes out of it with bad orange caps? Just from what
> I hear, I suspect the caps are not properly sealed and,
> after many years, the layers separate internally. It makes
> sense that the effect may be accelerated by electrical stress.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> > Ron
> > These Orange Caps behaviour ( actually their Capacitance itself changes)
with areas where they undergo stress with fluctuating voltages- like Bias
Oscillator, Dolby Circuits etc not on small signal voltage areas!
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:49 pm
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] quick orange cap questions
> >
> >
> >>RTLehe at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>Do the caps deteriorate merely with the passage of time, or does
> >>
> >>it depend on the amount of use?  If time alone will bring the
> >>problems, how long does it typically take, if its possible to
> >>generalize?  Thanks for any forthcoming info.
> >>
> >>>Tad
> >>
> >>The caps *seem* to deteriorate with time, not just use, though
> >>I doubt anyone can say for sure. They take many years (typically:
> >>15, 20 years). My CR-7, made in 1985, still has all original
> >>orange caps in place and sounds real good.
> >>
> >>-- Ron
> >>
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From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:06:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
Message-ID: <01c601c3e76c$7f5f1d90$72773242@CopyTech>

The following funds has been received and the sets are en-route:

Tom Siomopoulos
Bruno Vasil
Jay Benach: Also received your cassette for the Revox Files Project.
Mike Patrick
Ron Hoffman
Marc Denis
Bleus: Thanks for the gift ! A copy of the Revox files are going out to you ...

Thanks !

Carlos
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan 30 17:43:51 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:43:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox / 1000ZXL
In-Reply-To: <01c601c3e76c$7f5f1d90$72773242@CopyTech>
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
	<01c601c3e76c$7f5f1d90$72773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1075481031.401a89c72ca48@mail.ce.net>

Carlos

Please point me to the website where the "ReVox files" are, I would like to 
join. You know I'm a diehard ReVox guy but who is on the verge of deciding 
whether to tackle a 1000ZXL refurb. from Stephen. Maybe I had better ask Patty 
about belt availability first!

John T. in sunny but very cold Delaware


Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> The following funds has been received and the sets are en-route:
> 
> Tom Siomopoulos
> Bruno Vasil
> Jay Benach: Also received your cassette for the Revox Files Project.
> Mike Patrick
> Ron Hoffman
> Marc Denis
> Bleus: Thanks for the gift ! A copy of the Revox files are going out to you
> ...
> 
> Thanks !
> 
> Carlos





From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan 30 17:56:17 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:56:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Patty
Message-ID: <1075481777.401a8cb13b4a6@mail.ce.net>

Anybody here have Patty's, at Nakamichi, phone number?

John T.




From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan 30 22:06:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:06:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox / 1000ZXL
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5><01c601c3e76c$7f5f1d90$72773242@CopyTech>
	<1075481031.401a89c72ca48@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <01e801c3e774$dd56c620$72773242@CopyTech>

No web page for that, just a couple of old farts using snail mail. Most of
them  are from the Pro-Audio arena. It is almost complete. If you want to
contribute, just send me a cassette and I'll send you a copy. No cost.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:43 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ReVox / 1000ZXL


> Carlos
>
> Please point me to the website where the "ReVox files" are, I would like
to
> join. You know I'm a diehard ReVox guy but who is on the verge of deciding
> whether to tackle a 1000ZXL refurb. from Stephen. Maybe I had better ask
Patty
> about belt availability first!
>
> John T. in sunny but very cold Delaware
>
>
> Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>
> > The following funds has been received and the sets are en-route:
> >
> > Tom Siomopoulos
> > Bruno Vasil
> > Jay Benach: Also received your cassette for the Revox Files Project.
> > Mike Patrick
> > Ron Hoffman
> > Marc Denis
> > Bleus: Thanks for the gift ! A copy of the Revox files are going out to
you
> > ...
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> > Carlos
>
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri Jan 30 18:28:12 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:28:12 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Patty
Message-ID: <308610b3086780.3086780308610b@vsnl.net>

John
Patty is no more with Nak USA!
Melissa is in charge contact her 
melissa at nakusa.com 
MELISSA BRADLEY

NAK USA, INC. 
1500 OLYMPIC BLVD.
SANTA MONICA, CA 90404
(310) 392-1155 EXT. 231
(310) 392-1030 FAX

I had talked to her  a month back. She is very helpful with immediate response
kannan 
----- Original Message -----
From: jmtooley at ce.net
Date: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:56 am
Subject: [naktalk] Patty

> Anybody here have Patty's, at Nakamichi, phone number?
> 
> John T.
> 
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
> =========          Register your Nak today! 
> http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> --------------------------=========
>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: 
> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
> ------------------------------------------=========
> 



From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan 30 19:46:28 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:46:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Patty
In-Reply-To: <308610b3086780.3086780308610b@vsnl.net>
References: <308610b3086780.3086780308610b@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <1075488388.401aa684eff46@mail.ce.net>

Kannan

Thank you, I'll call Melissa. Patty was strange, saying things like "if you ask 
me nicely" etc.

Many thanks,
John

Quoting kannan_s at vsnl.com:

> John
> Patty is no more with Nak USA!
> Melissa is in charge contact her 
> melissa at nakusa.com 
> MELISSA BRADLEY
> 
> NAK USA, INC. 
> 1500 OLYMPIC BLVD.
> SANTA MONICA, CA 90404
> (310) 392-1155 EXT. 231
> (310) 392-1030 FAX
> 
> I had talked to her  a month back. She is very helpful with immediate
> response
> kannan 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jmtooley at ce.net
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:56 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Patty
> 
> > Anybody here have Patty's, at Nakamichi, phone number?
> > 
> > John T.
> > 
> > 
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------
> > =========          Register your Nak today! 
> > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> > --------------------------=========
> >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here: 
> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
> > ------------------------------------------=========
> > 
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 





From jimsoden at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 20:12:45 2004
From: jimsoden at yahoo.com (James B. Soden)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:12:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Patty!
References: <308610b3086780.3086780308610b@vsnl.net>
	<1075488388.401aa684eff46@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <401AACAD.23F969BD@yahoo.com>

Hey Everybody!

That's not all she said!  You don't want to know what she told me she
would do that a certain intern wouldn't do back during the ZipperGate
period of the prior administration!  She made me blush right over the
telephone! :-)

Quite a character, that Patty was!

TGIF 'ya all!
Jim Soden :-)
Nak Fanatic - Yes, I DO sleep with my 1000ZXL, is that a problem? ;=>

************************************************

jmtooley at ce.net wrote:
> 
> Kannan
> 
> Thank you, I'll call Melissa. Patty was strange, saying things like "if you ask
> me nicely" etc.
> 
> Many thanks,
> John
> 
> Quoting kannan_s at vsnl.com:
> 
> > John
> > Patty is no more with Nak USA!
> > Melissa is in charge contact her
> > melissa at nakusa.com
> > MELISSA BRADLEY
> >
> > NAK USA, INC.
> > 1500 OLYMPIC BLVD.
> > SANTA MONICA, CA 90404
> > (310) 392-1155 EXT. 231
> > (310) 392-1030 FAX
> >
> > I had talked to her  a month back. She is very helpful with immediate
> > response
> > kannan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jmtooley at ce.net
> > Date: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:56 am
> > Subject: [naktalk] Patty
> >
> > > Anybody here have Patty's, at Nakamichi, phone number?
> > >
> > > John T.


From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan 31 00:46:02 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:46:02 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Patty
References: <308610b3086780.3086780308610b@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001701c3e78b$38c830a0$92773242@CopyTech>

Ha!, no wonder why she left ... No parts, no job !

Carlos (just kidding)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Patty


> John
> Patty is no more with Nak USA!
> Melissa is in charge contact her
> melissa at nakusa.com
> MELISSA BRADLEY
>
> NAK USA, INC.
> 1500 OLYMPIC BLVD.
> SANTA MONICA, CA 90404
> (310) 392-1155 EXT. 231
> (310) 392-1030 FAX
>
> I had talked to her  a month back. She is very helpful with immediate
response
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jmtooley at ce.net
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:56 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Patty
>
> > Anybody here have Patty's, at Nakamichi, phone number?
> >
> > John T.
> >
> >
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------
> > =========          Register your Nak today!
> > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> > --------------------------=========
> >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here:
> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
> > ------------------------------------------=========
> >
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>



From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jan 30 20:50:28 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:50:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Patty
In-Reply-To: <001701c3e78b$38c830a0$92773242@CopyTech>
References: <308610b3086780.3086780308610b@vsnl.net>
	<001701c3e78b$38c830a0$92773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1075492228.401ab5844ed47@mail.ce.net>

She was a card! Melissa said there are no listed parts for a 1000 ZXL but asked 
that I get a part number. I emailed Stephen asking for that info.

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Ha!, no wonder why she left ... No parts, no job !
> 
> Carlos (just kidding)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Patty
> 
> 
> > John
> > Patty is no more with Nak USA!
> > Melissa is in charge contact her
> > melissa at nakusa.com
> > MELISSA BRADLEY
> >
> > NAK USA, INC.
> > 1500 OLYMPIC BLVD.
> > SANTA MONICA, CA 90404
> > (310) 392-1155 EXT. 231
> > (310) 392-1030 FAX
> >
> > I had talked to her  a month back. She is very helpful with immediate
> response
> > kannan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jmtooley at ce.net
> > Date: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:56 am
> > Subject: [naktalk] Patty
> >
> > > Anybody here have Patty's, at Nakamichi, phone number?
> > >
> > > John T.
> > >
> > >
> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------
> > > =========          Register your Nak today!
> > > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> > > --------------------------=========
> > >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > > Maintain your account here:
> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
> > > ------------------------------------------=========
> > >
> >
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 





From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Jan 30 20:53:17 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:53:17 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Patty
References: <308610b3086780.3086780308610b@vsnl.net>
	<001701c3e78b$38c830a0$92773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001501c3e76a$b4a09bc0$c02e4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

oh blow????



----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Patty


> Ha!, no wonder why she left ... No parts, no job !
>
> Carlos (just kidding)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Patty
>
>
> > John
> > Patty is no more with Nak USA!
> > Melissa is in charge contact her
> > melissa at nakusa.com
> > MELISSA BRADLEY
> >
> > NAK USA, INC.
> > 1500 OLYMPIC BLVD.
> > SANTA MONICA, CA 90404
> > (310) 392-1155 EXT. 231
> > (310) 392-1030 FAX
> >
> > I had talked to her  a month back. She is very helpful with immediate
> response
> > kannan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jmtooley at ce.net
> > Date: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:56 am
> > Subject: [naktalk] Patty
> >
> > > Anybody here have Patty's, at Nakamichi, phone number?
> > >
> > > John T.
> > >
> > >
> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------
> > > =========          Register your Nak today!
> > > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> > > --------------------------=========
> > >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > > Maintain your account here:
> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
> > > ------------------------------------------=========
> > >
> >
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>
>




From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Fri Jan 30 21:32:43 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:32:43 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Patty
References: <308610b3086780.3086780308610b@vsnl.net><001701c3e78b$38c830a0$92773242@CopyTech>
	<001501c3e76a$b4a09bc0$c02e4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <002e01c3e770$36d9c260$d81b0cd0@r7g1f8>

Or NAKERS up Melissa...


RHG, Seattle
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "p r" <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Patty


> oh blow????
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Patty
>
>
> > Ha!, no wonder why she left ... No parts, no job !
> >
> > Carlos (just kidding)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Patty
> >
> >
> > > John
> > > Patty is no more with Nak USA!
> > > Melissa is in charge contact her
> > > melissa at nakusa.com
> > > MELISSA BRADLEY
> > >
> > > NAK USA, INC.
> > > 1500 OLYMPIC BLVD.
> > > SANTA MONICA, CA 90404
> > > (310) 392-1155 EXT. 231
> > > (310) 392-1030 FAX
> > >
> > > I had talked to her  a month back. She is very helpful with immediate
> > response
> > > kannan
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: jmtooley at ce.net
> > > Date: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:56 am
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Patty
> > >
> > > > Anybody here have Patty's, at Nakamichi, phone number?
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > =========          Register your Nak today!
> > > > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> > > > --------------------------=========
> > > >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > > > Maintain your account here:
> > > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
> > > > ------------------------------------------=========
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > > Maintain your account here:
http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >
> >
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >
> >
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>




From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Jan 31 01:37:56 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:37:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL
Message-ID: <00eb01c3e792$78c258f0$7f106343@johnnyrotten>

To all concerned Nak. users. This from Melissa. $10 shipping applies to 1,2
or 3 belts. Maybe time to buy one or two spares. I wonder what other Nak.
units this part number serves, anybody know?

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Bradley" <melissa at nakusa.com>
To: <jmtooley at ce.net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL


This part is available and ready to ship with the following information.
PN# 0C08096C-$9.02 plus 10.00 shipping.
Full name
Address
Phone
MC, VISA or AMEX

Best regards,

-----Original Message-----
From: jmtooley at ce.net [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:52 PM
To: melissa at nakusa.com
Subject: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL

Melissa,

I talked to you on the phone earlier today about a belt for a Nakamichi
1000
ZXL cassette deck. I'm told that the part number is OC08096C. Can you
help me
locate any of these?

Many thanks,
John





From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sat Jan 31 01:18:13 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:18:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving vinyl
In-Reply-To: <01c601c3e76c$7f5f1d90$72773242@CopyTech>
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040130191714.036628f0@pop.iquebec.com>

Yeah! Thank you, Carlos!

Best regards,

-Marc


At 12:06 2004/01/30 -0800, you wrote:
>The following funds has been received and the sets are en-route:
>
>Tom Siomopoulos
>Bruno Vasil
>Jay Benach: Also received your cassette for the Revox Files Project.
>Mike Patrick
>Ron Hoffman
>Marc Denis
>Bleus: Thanks for the gift ! A copy of the Revox files are going out to 
>you ...
>
>Thanks !
>
>Carlos
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========




From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Jan 31 04:22:41 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:22:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape
Message-ID: <2612-401B1F81-3259@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

Recieved my Marathon aTape Today.BRAVO !!!Thank You Carlos and
Contributors.What a FUN and PLeasurable Experience Listening to   these
wonderful C.D's!Best Part is I can Listen to them over and Over Again!!
I listened to them on my new Sony C.D Boombox,and the quality is
Incredible! OBTW<i am a collector of Vintage Boomboxes and I Havent
Bought one in years ,but the new Sony MOdel  CFD-G55  is truly
amazing,and the first Boombox worth buying in a long Time!

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Jan 31 04:30:08 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:30:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer levels
Message-ID: <2610-401B2140-5994@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

Hi,Whats the best way to use the level controls on my great 700
tri-tracer/should i turn the output all the way up and my amp volume
down,or vice-versa? or should i turn them both Mid-way?

thank you very much,
gerald



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sat Jan 31 05:37:57 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:37:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer levels
In-Reply-To: <2610-401B2140-5994@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
References: <2610-401B2140-5994@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <401B3125.8090603@rcn.com>

Gerald G. wrote:
> Hi,Whats the best way to use the level controls on my great 700
> tri-tracer/should i turn the output all the way up and my amp volume
> down,or vice-versa? or should i turn them both Mid-way?
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald

Do the following: set the receiver volume control to a
comfortable level while listening to, say, an FM station
playing an average level piece. Then play back a tape,
also of average level, and adjust the deck output control
to match the level of the FM. Leave it at that setting
and fro  that time on, use only the receiver volume
control.

-- Ron




From roleo at telus.net  Sat Jan 31 05:38:58 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:38:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape
References: <2612-401B1F81-3259@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <003501c3e7b4$25048a90$6401a8c0@desktop>

Gerald, what's your favorite track on the CD's?  


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape


> Recieved my Marathon aTape Today.BRAVO !!!Thank You Carlos and
> Contributors.What a FUN and PLeasurable Experience Listening to   these
> wonderful C.D's!Best Part is I can Listen to them over and Over Again!!
> I listened to them on my new Sony C.D Boombox,and the quality is
> Incredible! OBTW<i am a collector of Vintage Boomboxes and I Havent
> Bought one in years ,but the new Sony MOdel  CFD-G55  is truly
> amazing,and the first Boombox worth buying in a long Time!
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan 31 10:19:20 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:19:20 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape
References: <2612-401B1F81-3259@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <004a01c3e7db$4ff116c0$26773242@CopyTech>

That's a new one for me: Boom Box Collector ! When I was in High School, the
boom boxes were "en vogue" and Sony & JVC were heavy contenders.

Enjoy your CD set !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape


> Recieved my Marathon aTape Today.BRAVO !!!Thank You Carlos and
> Contributors.What a FUN and PLeasurable Experience Listening to   these
> wonderful C.D's!Best Part is I can Listen to them over and Over Again!!
> I listened to them on my new Sony C.D Boombox,and the quality is
> Incredible! OBTW<i am a collector of Vintage Boomboxes and I Havent
> Bought one in years ,but the new Sony MOdel  CFD-G55  is truly
> amazing,and the first Boombox worth buying in a long Time!
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>



From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan 31 10:25:27 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:25:27 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer levels
References: <2610-401B2140-5994@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
	<401B3125.8090603@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c3e7dc$2a58a620$26773242@CopyTech>

That's nice, Ron. Usually, the manufacturer recommends to put the output
level of the machine at "8" out of 10 and then use the receiver to control
the volume.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer levels


> Gerald G. wrote:
> > Hi,Whats the best way to use the level controls on my great 700
> > tri-tracer/should i turn the output all the way up and my amp volume
> > down,or vice-versa? or should i turn them both Mid-way?
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald
>
> Do the following: set the receiver volume control to a
> comfortable level while listening to, say, an FM station
> playing an average level piece. Then play back a tape,
> also of average level, and adjust the deck output control
> to match the level of the FM. Leave it at that setting
> and fro  that time on, use only the receiver volume
> control.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>



From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan 31 10:34:08 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:34:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape
References: <2612-401B1F81-3259@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
	<003501c3e7b4$25048a90$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <006201c3e7dd$614709a0$26773242@CopyTech>

I don't know about G, but, for me, I can say that we have a wonderful
collection. It is a shame that we couldn't finish the whole thing. I just
imagine the contributions from South Africa and the rest of the US. Also, we
use to have a friend in Italy and so on ... That's why, for the next
Marathon Tape, we need to do as the Revox Files: you record your cassette
and send it. That way is faster, secure and better.

The Revox counterpart sounds cleaner because most of the selections were
taken from CD's, but the Nak Files selection I think is better. Anyway, I
added the last selection to the Revox project today that I received from a
nakker fellow, Jay Benach, who graciously submmitted an LP track of Olivia
Newton John.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roland Alford" <roleo at telus.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon tape


> Gerald, what's your favorite track on the CD's?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:22 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape
>
>
> > Recieved my Marathon aTape Today.BRAVO !!!Thank You Carlos and
> > Contributors.What a FUN and PLeasurable Experience Listening to   these
> > wonderful C.D's!Best Part is I can Listen to them over and Over Again!!
> > I listened to them on my new Sony C.D Boombox,and the quality is
> > Incredible! OBTW<i am a collector of Vintage Boomboxes and I Havent
> > Bought one in years ,but the new Sony MOdel  CFD-G55  is truly
> > amazing,and the first Boombox worth buying in a long Time!
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald
> >
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>



From alex811 at aon.at  Sat Jan 31 10:08:03 2004
From: alex811 at aon.at (Alex811)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:08:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NR-200
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA1D3gGgu/1BGL+gAQS51rDMKAAAAQAAAABAP7hS6tKESpK2k54Gt1LAEAAAAA@aon.at>

Hi Nakamaniacs,

i am new to this list. So i want to ask i someone has experience with
the NR-200 - i got one, but without owners manual!

Can someone help me with the calibration or is there a scan of the
manual - or can copy one for ( i will pay for it) - also for a service
manual.

Thanks a lot

Regards from vienna

Alexander



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From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:54:15 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] tapes and turntables
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jan 31 13:21:06 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:21:06 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape
In-Reply-To: <006201c3e7dd$614709a0$26773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000501c3e7f4$b383c660$1cdb4c51@oemcomputer>

Olivia Newton John?  Any pictures with it?!!!   Woof!  Woof!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 31 January 2004 09:34
> To: Roland Alford; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon tape
>
>
> I don't know about G, but, for me, I can say that we have a wonderful
> collection. It is a shame that we couldn't finish the whole thing. I just
> imagine the contributions from South Africa and the rest of the
> US. Also, we
> use to have a friend in Italy and so on ... That's why, for the next
> Marathon Tape, we need to do as the Revox Files: you record your cassette
> and send it. That way is faster, secure and better.
>
> The Revox counterpart sounds cleaner because most of the selections were
> taken from CD's, but the Nak Files selection I think is better. Anyway, I
> added the last selection to the Revox project today that I received from a
> nakker fellow, Jay Benach, who graciously submmitted an LP track of Olivia
> Newton John.
>
> Carlos
>
>
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From jay at benach.com  Sat Jan 31 17:06:34 2004
From: jay at benach.com (Jay)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:06:34 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape
In-Reply-To: <200401311100.i0VB0Nju013141@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200401311100.i0VB0Nju013141@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.56.0401311101590.3016@TOSHIBA-JAY>

well you see i was staring at my LP collection and every album i was about
to use i said, "nahhh... they either already have this or have heard this
album a million times before."  so when i pulled the bright pink double
gatefold of olivia's greatest hits volume 2 i knew i had a winner.


>Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:34:08 -0800
>From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Roland Alford <roleo at telus.net>,
>     Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon tape
>
>I don't know about G, but, for me, I can say that we have a wonderful
>collection. It is a shame that we couldn't finish the whole thing. I just
>imagine the contributions from South Africa and the rest of the US. Also,
>we
>use to have a friend in Italy and so on ... That's why, for the next
>Marathon Tape, we need to do as the Revox Files: you record your cassette
>and send it. That way is faster, secure and better.
>
>The Revox counterpart sounds cleaner because most of the selections were
>taken from CD's, but the Nak Files selection I think is better. Anyway, I
>added the last selection to the Revox project today that I received from
>a
>nakker fellow, Jay Benach, who graciously submmitted an LP track of
>Olivia
>Newton John.
>
>Carlos


From jmo at sireconnect.de  Sat Jan 31 18:10:56 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:10:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi pages, several things
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040131181056.0137eab0@mail.sireconnect.de>

Hey there,

this is mainly for Wouter:

As for the www.naks.com pages:
- ftp.naks.com doesn't seem to work... temporarily?
- some years of manufacturing of the DR series seem to be missing.
- Same for the TD page.
- The ZX-5 is on the BX page (and missing on the ZX page).
- I'd put the price list back. Maybe with a disclaimer. Even if it's
outdated, it's still valuable info.
- The nakmart mailing list is mentioned in the news, but I can't find a
place to sign it. Is it supposed to be a Nak fleamarket?

The Naktalk archives:
- The "Gzip'd Text" isn't gzipped text. I's rather a flat file (which is OK
with me, mind.)
- would be great to have the "full raw archive" zipped for downloading.
There already is a lot of great info in there, and the 80 megs flat always
killed my browser. (Even better would be a gzipped version of the thread
HTML view, but that's probably too much work).

Have I mentioned?: THANKS!
Your page and the mailinglist (especially Tim and Kannan) helped me get a
Nakamichi, when all I had was a block of (albeit beautiful) useless
electromechanics! And I'm probably going to have a manual soon :)

Best regards, Joerg
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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Sat Jan 31 18:10:56 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:10:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] For all you 70's receiver freaks...
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040131181056.013798e8@mail.sireconnect.de>

There's also a probably not very well known one outside of Germany.
That's the 9240(S)/ 9250 receiver by Saba. This one is built like a tank (a
very tidy tank, serviceable), weighs a tank weight and the tuner part beat
every other device available then (and beats most of them today) in
comparisons.
The good thing: they generally go rather cheap on eBay.

caveats:
- DIN plugs.
- 4 loudspeaker connections, but not true quadro.
- funny german text on the buttons.
- don't get the one with the digital display. That was quite a hack and
tends to fail, which just doesn't fit that machine.

If you come across one of those cheap, you should give it a tryout.

A couple of pictures (including some of the german text, I especially like
"Rumpelf." ) of the 91xx you can find here:
http://www.tonbandwelt.de/big/72.htm

Have fun, JO
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Jan 31 20:04:07 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:04:07 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi pages, several things
References: <3.0.6.32.20040131181056.0137eab0@mail.sireconnect.de>
Message-ID: <401BFC27.C40280AD@xs4all.nl>

Hi Joerg,

-ftp.naks.com is down
-i'm working on a new site, whatever is there now is there for a short period
only.
-same for td series
-zx5 is a srange product (ie japanese BX-300), on the new site it will be on
the zx page
-prices will be back at a later stage on the new site
-nakmart wasn't working out

-gzipped files (the archives) are created automatically by the mailinglist
software, i'll have a look when the new site is finished and i'll start using a
new server too
-the archive are there because the mailinglist software supports it this way...

Glad you enjoy the it all!

Wouter

jo wrote:

> Hey there,
>
> this is mainly for Wouter:
>
> As for the www.naks.com pages:
> - ftp.naks.com doesn't seem to work... temporarily?
> - some years of manufacturing of the DR series seem to be missing.
> - Same for the TD page.
> - The ZX-5 is on the BX page (and missing on the ZX page).
> - I'd put the price list back. Maybe with a disclaimer. Even if it's
> outdated, it's still valuable info.
> - The nakmart mailing list is mentioned in the news, but I can't find a
> place to sign it. Is it supposed to be a Nak fleamarket?
>
> The Naktalk archives:
> - The "Gzip'd Text" isn't gzipped text. I's rather a flat file (which is OK
> with me, mind.)
> - would be great to have the "full raw archive" zipped for downloading.
> There already is a lot of great info in there, and the 80 megs flat always
> killed my browser. (Even better would be a gzipped version of the thread
> HTML view, but that's probably too much work).
>
> Have I mentioned?: THANKS!
> Your page and the mailinglist (especially Tim and Kannan) helped me get a
> Nakamichi, when all I had was a block of (albeit beautiful) useless
> electromechanics! And I'm probably going to have a manual soon :)
>
> Best regards, Joerg
> +----------------------------------------------------------------+
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> | \___/\_/\___|_|        jmo at sireconnect.de                      |
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Jan 31 22:18:13 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:18:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
Message-ID: <14871-401C1B95-1531@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

as owner of two naks but never having really listened to them,i finally
got around to comparing my 700 tri-tracer to another deck i own, TEAC
V95rx computer controlled cassete deck.the Teac is a a neat machine with
dbx,rec. calibration,computer logic circuits and continous play; auto
reverse and metal tape capability.I thought id sell the tri-tracer and
keep the Teac.    Well,i guess i just didnt get it!The sound quality of
the Nak made that stupid Teac prime e-bay fodder a.s.a.p-. what a huge
difference! many of you have told me but i guess i had to really hear it
for myself.lots of posts about some great decks comparable in sound
quality to the great nak,and i need to go back through the archives and
check out some of those manufactures models.BTW-i picked up a sae tape
deck for 12 dollars,96 cents at a thrift store last week-works
perfect-has grea dual old style V.U meters and i will use it for my P.A.
system-it has that heavy duty rack ountable black look and seems very
solid.

thank you very much,
gerald



From jazzao at primus.com.au  Sat Jan 31 22:47:55 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:47:55 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
Message-ID: <401C228B.4030008@primus.com.au>

Gerald,

Same experience here. Never had a Nak until late last year when my 
decade old Denon gave up.  I thought that was good sounding.  I picked 
an LX3 from a secondhand store and was blown away as to how much clearer 
the tapes sounded on that 2 head deck.  I've since acquired a 700ZXE 
that Stephen Sank will be refurbishing and will acquire the RX505 from 
my uncle when I go to the US mid year.  Can't wait to put them through 
their paces.

Cheers
Alan 



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Jan 31 22:54:14 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:54:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1
Message-ID: <14871-401C2406-1557@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

hi,so many tracks that i am enjoying off the marathon tape cd#1.personal
preferencews are very subjective,but here goes.TRACK1-im not much into
big band,but the sound was so perfectly recorded,that i really enjoyed
listening to it..TRACK2-nice merengue-salsa rythym,bon vivant, and very
clear,tight sound .TRACK3very enjoyable hypnotic-rythmic tune,great
background percussion and triangles,sweet voices TRACK4-id like to know
the history of this pop-punk-fun.was it recorded live at the venue by
the contributor using portable equipment?TRACK5-Great driving folk
ballad with strong vocals and lyrics;who is it?TRACK6-one of my
favourites,cause i love percussion based music with bongos,tablas -all
kinds of stuff(like DAFFOS);great strings! TRACK7 Awesome production,the
clear ,crisp cymbals are great,and the rythm is so tight TRACK8-my
favourite!little blind fish!!wowowow,love it!little blind fish staring
in a mirror,HA!superb acoustic arrangement and sound!TRACK9Is this a
show tunethe guitar is so swet and jazzy that its apparent the
contributor had top notch gear and real recording
expertice.TRACK10superlativ hi definitionsound.love the lyrics.wonder
who the artist is

thank you very much,
gerald



From lists at richardhess.com  Sat Jan 31 23:07:48 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:07:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
In-Reply-To: <14871-401C1B95-1531@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1>

Gerald and Alan,

And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!  You can 
achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has play azimuth 
adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon sounds. I'm 
especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I made into my 
Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in wonderful church 
acoustics on Maxell tape.

On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a fundraising 
project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in Texas a few 
years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back saying, "are 
you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine for archival 
transfers...

Cheers,

Richard
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm

(proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon transport/head assembly, 
and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).







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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Oct  1 01:43:09 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:43:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <s15c3dec.081@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000701c4a747$fa9d35a0$08773242@CopyTech>

Nice set-up, Mark. My Linn still with the original Ittok and a Koetsu Black.
How does the Lingo improve the sound ?

Carlos


From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  1 02:23:30 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:23:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <s15c3dec.081@mroute.sunint.co.za>
	<000701c4a747$fa9d35a0$08773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV17BCWwF5qm00029541@hotmail.com>

Amazing Carlos, a friend of mine own the Last model LP-12 with instead he 
choose the better possibility the Naim's Armageddon + Aro arm, he use a 
Audio-Technica once most expensive MC cartridge. Just forgot the model, NO 
the OC-9 the top model once Together with all Naim's stereo set & ProAc 3.8 
speakers. Really sound great!!!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Nice set-up, Mark. My Linn still with the original Ittok and a Koetsu 
> Black.
> How does the Lingo improve the sound ?
>
> Carlos
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Fri Oct  1 06:52:54 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:52:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
Message-ID: <008c01c4a772$84410320$116723c8@g8nsv>

With all due respect, I have never had or owned a Harman Kardom deck.....but check out the title this guy put on ebay for selling the deck....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5723509711&rd=1

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Oct  1 16:41:30 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:41:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 Counter Search
Message-ID: <000c01c4a7c4$bd9abd80$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Sentihl,

 

Toms description is correct.  I would add that the Counter Search function will return to either play, stop or pause function when the tape reaches a setting of 0000, depending on what mode was active when you press the Counter Search button.

 

Robert Kent

 

Sentihl wrote:

hi 
 i own a cassette deck 1.5 ....but i dont have any manuals ....i just wanted to know ..how to use the auto repeat function ?..first of all i hope the auto repeat function works like this ...we determine a specific time in the counter after which it automatically rewinds and plays from the start...or 0000.all these happens without us needing to push any button ??...and the process repeats it self over and over ...is it so?...cause the "counter search" button can rewind upto the 0000 and play from there when ever we press it in play mode .....
so anyway ..the cassette deck 1.5 has a selector from which we can select auto repeat ...and at the counter it has the counter search and counter reset buttons ...rest are the normal play and cue controls ..so wat should i do to get an auto repeat working with these controls .And is there any thing else i need to know about a cassette deck 1.5 ....cause this is my first nak ......thanks

 

Tom wrote:

Hi Nathan. I own a BX-300 with the same function, here's how it works. If
you switch on the auto-repeat the machine will play the tape from start to
finish and then rewind the tape to the begining and play it all over again.
If you have the memory fuction (I think that is what the counter seach
functions does) turned on, the repeat function will rewind until the tape
counter reaches 0000 and starts playing again.
 Hope this helps you.
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Oct  1 21:34:13 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:34:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
References: <008c01c4a772$84410320$116723c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <001e01c4a7ed$a27b16c0$62773242@CopyTech>

WEll, I use to have a "Linn Killer Technics" ... what about that ? Ha !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Isy Fidelman 
  To: Naktalk mailinglist 
  Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:52 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????


  With all due respect, I have never had or owned a Harman Kardom deck.....but check out the title this guy put on ebay for selling the deck....

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5723509711&rd=1

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Oct  1 15:29:14 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:29:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <008c01c4a772$84410320$116723c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001092324.01e12390@psulias.psu.edu>

Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings, 
technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were 
considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby S can get up 
to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81 or so with 
Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic range.

Of course the proof would only be in the listening.



At 12:52 AM 10/1/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>With all due respect, I have never had or owned a Harman Kardom 
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 20:54:58 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:54:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6CD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <BD832042.6C43%pokemonoman@mac.com>

IS THIS THE WIRELESS REMOTE??
I WANT/NEED ONE VERY BADLY

PMJ

on 9/30/04 5:52 PM, Thomas Siomopoulos at Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au
wrote:

> statememnt), so I went and bought a second-hand rm-580r/t. Love it to bits.
> 
> Tom.


IS THIS THE WIRELESS REMOTE??
I WANT/NEED ONE VERY BADLY

PMJ



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 21:12:06 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:12:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <003501c4a276$648cb480$868c4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BD832446.6C47%pokemonoman@mac.com>

I'M SURE A DRAGON IS JUST DANDY, BUT I HEARD THEY WERE A NIGTMARE TO HAVE
RESTORED AND/OR REPAIRED AND I HEARD THIS FROM QUITE A FREW DIFFERNT TECHS.

ALL THE BEST,

PMJ

on 9/24/04 4:38 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

PMJ said:  " HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HEARD MORE PERFECT PLAYBACK FROM AN
ORDINARY PRE-RECORDED CASSETTE THAN THROUGH MY EBAY PURCHASED 670ZX PERIOD."
 
That's cos' you've not heard a Dragon ...
 
Gra'

I'M SURE A DRAGON IS JUST DANDY, BUT I HEARD THEY WERE A NIGTMARE TO HAVE
RESTORED AND/OR REPAIRED AND I HEARD THIS FROM QUITE A FREW DIFFERNT TECHS.

ALL THE BEST,

PMJ

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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 21:13:59 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:13:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi mx-100
In-Reply-To: <000401c4a54a$8e20e560$14c34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BD8324B7.6C48%pokemonoman@mac.com>

YEAH, YOU REALLY DO WANT THAT CENTER CHANNEL BRO.
I'VBE GOT THE 3 MATCHBING NAKAMICHI MIROPHONES WITH RARE BATTERYS AS WELL.

THEY'RE NOT THAT BAD EITHER

PMJ


on 9/28/04 7:01 AM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

I use an old Aiwa deck the same way, as a mixer.  However, it lacks a Centre
channel.  But it has those nice slider controls with calibration along the
side, making it easy to use and re-set to the same levels if manually fading
up.
 
Gra'

YEAH, YOU REALLY DO WANT THAT CENTER CHANNEL BRO.
I'VBE GOT THE 3 MATCHBING NAKAMICHI MIROPHONES WITH RARE BATTERYS AS WELL.

THEY'RE NOT THAT BAD EITHER

PMJ




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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 21:14:41 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:14:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi mx-100 mixer
In-Reply-To: <001701c4a2e4$189bbf80$689e9c53@steffie>
Message-ID: <BD8324E1.6C49%pokemonoman@mac.com>

GOOD DEAL IF UNDER $100.00 I'M SURE

PMJ

on 9/25/04 5:43 AM, Steffanus Kor at steffanus.kor at tiscali.fr wrote:

Hello, Guys 'n Dolls
 
I was looking for a nakamichi mx-100 mixer, and now I can buy one, which is
never used, the original box comes with it. The person asks 75 euro for it.
Is that a good deal? I want to use it for my beautiful NAk 582, which I just
bought also in new condition. But I only payed 50 euo for that one. So,
could pleade someone tell me if it is a good deal?
 
thanks a lot, Steffanus

GOOD DEAL IF UNDER $100.00 I'M SURE

PMJ

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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 21:18:49 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:18:49 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
In-Reply-To: <20040924223719.WRUZ27744.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BD8325D9.6C4A%pokemonoman@mac.com>

on 9/24/04 6:37 PM, rjlbjk at cox.net at rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:

> I'm going to remember this one for myself.  I'm about 35 minutes from that
> location.
> 
> Thanks!

AUDIO/STEREO LAB IS VERY EXPENSIVE BUT VERY RELIABLE AS WELL.
DEREK IS THE TECHNICHIAN AND HE'S FROM POLANMD. THAT SHOULD TELL YOU
SOMETHING GOOD AS GUYZ FROM POLAND ARE VERY, VERY THOUROUGH.

PMJ



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  1 13:11:12 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:11:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <BAY2-F355XmllgYBr4B0002556b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV1Tjr8cU6xf000018aa@hotmail.com>

Hi Neil,

Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last Naim 
product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i remember well 
near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a "Completely 
Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided after!!!!

Happy listening...!

ALEX!
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From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Mark:
>
> All the audio "pundants" in my family were silenced years ago when I got 
> tired of hearing that I was strange with my tube amps and VPI/TNT/ET front 
> end.........so I invited them over for dinner and let them flap their gums 
> about how great cd's were....after some direct comparisons of identical 
> music on differenrt media cd's/lp's........all but my two stupid cousins 
> admitted how different the records sounded to the cds......they even used 
> the terms warmer.....and more life like.....given a good analog front 
> end........the digital monster is exposed as the fraud he truly is!
>
> Neil
>
>
>>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: <rkunst at C-K.com>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:09:54 +0200
>>
>>Yes!!
>>
>>It does seem crazy!!  And I'm sure we've all had a good laugh, mainly
>>because we have a couple of super-metals smugly stashed away.  But of
>>course, from a viewpoint of demand/supply economics, the value of
>>anything is determined by the price at which it will change hands.  And
>>these things are moving off his/her shelves!!
>>
>>However, having said that, they are simply fantastic tapes.  I am a
>>great fan of Maxell XLII-S.  It's probably my favourite type II.
>>However, a SSMM is a type IV and will beat it soundly (pardon the pun)
>>on every measurable rating in the book, have no fear of that.  The
>>levels of fidelity possible are of the highest order and it cannot be
>>wasted on either substandard equipment or find it's way into the hands
>>of amateurs.  This sort of pricing will make sure of that.
>>
>>The way to use a cassette such as this is on a top quality deck,
>>recording from virgin vinyl or master tape on a very high-end analogue
>>system.  I suggest analogue so as to keep the analogue format all the
>>way through.  Consider this j-card extract from one of my tapes - the
>>cassette was:  TDK MA-XG
>>
>>Artist
>>"The Who"
>>Simply Vinyl 180g Pressing
>>
>>Linn LP12, SME IV Arm
>>Transfiguration Esprit Cart, (120ohm 1,3mV)
>>Linn Lingo PS, Ringmat,
>>Eurekon MC001 P/stage
>>Genesis Bal. Sol.Silver
>>Jeff Rowland Consummate" Pre-amp
>>Nakamichi CR-7E  (Dolby C)
>>TR. Date: 15/12/2003
>>
>>This is quite a nice vinyl set-up.  I know some of you will be thinking
>>- he needs to hear an "Orbe" or "Townshend Rock Reference" or Forsell,
>>or whatever.  Sure, they are fantastic.  The main point is, you will not
>>want to waste the extraordinary resolving power of a Super-Metal if only
>>recording from a CD, or radio.  Also, you do not want to be using a
>>cassette deck that cannot manage to make the most of the demanding tape
>>formulation, including it's phenomenol overload characteristics.
>>
>>These are not everyday tapes, but if you're looking to blow someones
>>socks off with a sound that they never dreamed possible - (never mind
>>that it's from cassette, which they will never even suspect) these
>>honeys will do it.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> rkunst at C-K.com 09/30/04 01:00AM >>>
>>NOS
>>SONY
>>METAL MASTER
>>SUPER AUDIO
>>CASSETTE TAPES
>>FOR SALE
>>
>>$64.99 ea!!!
>>
>>http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>>
>>
>>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>>If not, should I snatch them up??
>>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
>>Are they that much better??
>>
>>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>>
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 21:22:34 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:22:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Repairs
In-Reply-To: <001901c4a1e0$b3349350$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <BD8326B9.6C4B%pokemonoman@mac.com>

HEY THERE FOL;KS.

I NEED A DOOR FOR MY NAKAMICHI CR-1 DECK. THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOO BIG/TALL AN
ORDER.
I'M SURE THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF NAK CR-1 CARCASSES OUT THERE WITH DOORS.
ANY "VOLUNTEERS"???
A DOOR SHOULD ONLY COST AROUND $10.00 OR SO I RECKON AS THESE COMPLETE UNITS
CAN BE FOUND FOR THAT PRICE IN THRIFT STORES. HOW ABOUT ES LABS OR SOMEBODY
ELSE OUT THERE?

I JUST NEED A DAMN DOOR, HOW ABOUT IT FOLKS?
OR HOW ABOUT THIS, I'LL SELL ANYBPODY OUT THERE THE NAKAMICHI CR-1 WITHOUT
THE DOOR.
IT IS IN FINE WORKING AND READY TO USE CONDITION. GUATRANTEED NOT D.O.A. AND
ONLY THE RSET COUNTER NEEDS A LITTLE TLC, BUT OTHERWISE, GREAT COSMETIC
CONDITION AS WELL.

LET ME KNOW!!

EITHER WAY OKAY?



THANX,

PMJ



on 9/23/04 10:46 PM, rjkent at comcast.net at rjkent at comcast.net wrote:

Hi Dave,
 
I second Bob's recommendation of ESLabs.  I have had 3 Naks (Dragon, CR-7
and RX-505) completely restored by them, and they did a wonderful job.  They
have also been helpful with operational and maintenance tips after the fact.
Jeff Galen will provide a very complete quote on his proposed rebuild prior
to commencing work.  As I have mentioned on Naktalk in the past, we used my
CR-7 to record the master of the SF Session of the Marathon II Tape.....if
you have the CDs, you can listen to the results yourself.
 
Robert Kent

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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 21:25:56 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:25:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BD80A8D3.E33%rkunst@c-k.com>
Message-ID: <BD832784.6C4E%pokemonoman@mac.com>

on 9/29/04 7:00 PM, Ray Kunst at rkunst at C-K.com wrote:

> NOS
> SONY
> METAL MASTER
> SUPER AUDIO
> CASSETTE TAPES
> FOR SALE 
> 
> $64.99 ea!!!

THESE ARE, I'M SURE, COLLECTORS ITEMS.

IF YOU WWERE GOING TO MAKE A CASSETTE "MASTER"  (A LAUGHABLE PROPOSDITION IN
MY OPINION...) THEN I COULD SEE ITY.
OTHERWISE, IT'S A HUGE RIP-OFF, IN MY OPINION, NATCH...
PMJ



From ti at amb.org  Fri Oct  1 22:08:23 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001092324.01e12390@psulias.psu.edu> from
	"Derrick Beckner" at Oct 01, 2004 09:29:14 AM
Message-ID: <20041001200823.6320E17CF7@smtp.amb.org>

Derrick Beckner writes:
> Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings, 
> technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were 
> considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby S can get up 
> to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81 or so with 
> Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic range.

But it's missing the all-important defining feature of the Dragon: NAAC.

-Ti



From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Oct  1 22:04:05 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:04:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001092324.01e12390@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFGEIDCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Well, TD4600 is a 2-head Dolby S unit. Nothing impressive, not close to
CD-491 they used to make. The TD-4800 was a three head model. But again,
this is not even close to BX300.

Stan

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:29 AM
To: Isy Fidelman; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????


Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings,
technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were
considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby S can get up
to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81 or so with
Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic range.

Of course the proof would only be in the listening.



At 12:52 AM 10/1/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>With all due respect, I have never had or owned a Harman Kardom
>deck.....but check out the title this guy put on ebay for selling the
deck....
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=572350971
1&rd=1>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5723
509711&rd=1
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct  1 22:07:16 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:07:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <BD832446.6C47%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4a7f2$3f9b8ee0$539d4c51@oemcomputer>

Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITSI believe they (Dragons)
are not intuitive to work on.  So, your average tech' might have
difficulties.  However, specialist Nak' techs', like Stephen Sank, Jeff
Galin, Steve Rudik, B&W, etc., and some of the experts that belong to this
List, would appear not to find them a "nightmare".  But I would think -
correct me if I am wrong, guys - the issue with Dragons is that they are not
quite so easy to diagnose when something goes wrong on account of their
sophisticated ICs, plus spares are not getting easier to find!   However,
the thing that makes the Dragon particularly special is the auto azi'
adjustment, which, combined with its otherwise superb sonic qualities, make
it probably the finest cassette REPLAY machine ever produced.  And it does
rather well recording, too.  But, arguably, there are others that can record
better than the Dragon.  E.g. CR7, ReVox B215, Tandberg 3014.

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: 01 October 2004 20:12
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


  I'M SURE A DRAGON IS JUST DANDY, BUT I HEARD THEY WERE A NIGTMARE TO HAVE
RESTORED AND/OR REPAIRED AND I HEARD THIS FROM QUITE A FREW DIFFERNT TECHS.

  ALL THE BEST,

  PMJ


  on 9/24/04 4:38 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:


    PMJ said:  " HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HEARD MORE PERFECT PLAYBACK FROM
AN ORDINARY PRE-RECORDED CASSETTE THAN THROUGH MY EBAY PURCHASED 670ZX
PERIOD."

    That's cos' you've not heard a Dragon ...


  Gra'

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  1 22:04:05 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:04:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <BAY2-F334nhrKtzcbLD00030507@hotmail.com>

Alex:

Although I do have a CD player and DVD burner for my wife.....I will die an 
analog fool.....I just like everything about it.......from holding and 
reading Lp covers to cleaning the black gold on my VPI... to setting up my 
arm on the TNT.......I like to tweak......it is a good form of therapy!!

And nothing beats listening to music with my wife while glancing over at the 
mono-amps glowing with the light of sixteen KT-90 glass bottles!

Neil


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:11:12 +0200
>
>Hi Neil,
>
>Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last Naim 
>product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i remember well 
>near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a "Completely 
>Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided after!!!!
>
>Happy listening...!
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
>>Mark:
>>
>>All the audio "pundants" in my family were silenced years ago when I got 
>>tired of hearing that I was strange with my tube amps and VPI/TNT/ET front 
>>end.........so I invited them over for dinner and let them flap their gums 
>>about how great cd's were....after some direct comparisons of identical 
>>music on differenrt media cd's/lp's........all but my two stupid cousins 
>>admitted how different the records sounded to the cds......they even used 
>>the terms warmer.....and more life like.....given a good analog front 
>>end........the digital monster is exposed as the fraud he truly is!
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: <rkunst at C-K.com>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:09:54 +0200
>>>
>>>Yes!!
>>>
>>>It does seem crazy!!  And I'm sure we've all had a good laugh, mainly
>>>because we have a couple of super-metals smugly stashed away.  But of
>>>course, from a viewpoint of demand/supply economics, the value of
>>>anything is determined by the price at which it will change hands.  And
>>>these things are moving off his/her shelves!!
>>>
>>>However, having said that, they are simply fantastic tapes.  I am a
>>>great fan of Maxell XLII-S.  It's probably my favourite type II.
>>>However, a SSMM is a type IV and will beat it soundly (pardon the pun)
>>>on every measurable rating in the book, have no fear of that.  The
>>>levels of fidelity possible are of the highest order and it cannot be
>>>wasted on either substandard equipment or find it's way into the hands
>>>of amateurs.  This sort of pricing will make sure of that.
>>>
>>>The way to use a cassette such as this is on a top quality deck,
>>>recording from virgin vinyl or master tape on a very high-end analogue
>>>system.  I suggest analogue so as to keep the analogue format all the
>>>way through.  Consider this j-card extract from one of my tapes - the
>>>cassette was:  TDK MA-XG
>>>
>>>Artist
>>>"The Who"
>>>Simply Vinyl 180g Pressing
>>>
>>>Linn LP12, SME IV Arm
>>>Transfiguration Esprit Cart, (120ohm 1,3mV)
>>>Linn Lingo PS, Ringmat,
>>>Eurekon MC001 P/stage
>>>Genesis Bal. Sol.Silver
>>>Jeff Rowland Consummate" Pre-amp
>>>Nakamichi CR-7E  (Dolby C)
>>>TR. Date: 15/12/2003
>>>
>>>This is quite a nice vinyl set-up.  I know some of you will be thinking
>>>- he needs to hear an "Orbe" or "Townshend Rock Reference" or Forsell,
>>>or whatever.  Sure, they are fantastic.  The main point is, you will not
>>>want to waste the extraordinary resolving power of a Super-Metal if only
>>>recording from a CD, or radio.  Also, you do not want to be using a
>>>cassette deck that cannot manage to make the most of the demanding tape
>>>formulation, including it's phenomenol overload characteristics.
>>>
>>>These are not everyday tapes, but if you're looking to blow someones
>>>socks off with a sound that they never dreamed possible - (never mind
>>>that it's from cassette, which they will never even suspect) these
>>>honeys will do it.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>Marc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> rkunst at C-K.com 09/30/04 01:00AM >>>
>>>NOS
>>>SONY
>>>METAL MASTER
>>>SUPER AUDIO
>>>CASSETTE TAPES
>>>FOR SALE
>>>
>>>$64.99 ea!!!
>>>
>>>http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>>>If not, should I snatch them up??
>>>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90� each.
>>>Are they that much better??
>>>
>>>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>>>
>>>
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 22:16:02 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:16:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <20041001200823.6320E17CF7@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BD833342.6C63%pokemonoman@mac.com>

on 10/1/04 4:08 PM, Ti Kan at ti at amb.org wrote:

> Derrick Beckner writes:
>> Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings,
>> technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were
>> considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby S can get up
>> to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81 or so with
>> Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic range.
> 
> But it's missing the all-important defining feature of the Dragon: NAAC.
> 
> -Ti


DOLBY S IS CUTE AND SO ARE THE OUSTANDING FEATURES OF THE DRAGON. NONE OF
THIS STUFF IS ABSOLUYTELY NECESSARY.
IF YOU NEED A GREAT RECORDING MACHINE, BUY A STUDER REEL TO REEL OR A
STELLOVOX REEL TO REEL PERIOD.

PMJ



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct  1 22:35:30 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:35:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <20041001200823.6320E17CF7@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <000101c4a7f6$31388e80$b2c84c51@oemcomputer>

Spot on, Ti!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ti Kan
> Sent: 01 October 2004 21:08
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????
>
>
> Derrick Beckner writes:
> > Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings,
> > technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were
> > considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby S
> can get up
> > to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81 or so with
> > Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic range.
>
> But it's missing the all-important defining feature of the Dragon: NAAC.
>
> -Ti
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct  1 22:29:49 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:29:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BD832784.6C4E%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a7f5$6625dcc0$b2c84c51@oemcomputer>

POKEMONOJEFF said:  "IF YOU WWERE GOING TO MAKE A CASSETTE "MASTER"  (A
LAUGHABLE PROPOSDITION IN MY OPINION...) "

Then you have probably never heard the classic "The Texas Campfire Tapes"
vinyl LP by Michelle Shocked, which was mastered onto a humble cassette
loaded on a Sony Walkman, recorded in the open air by a campfire!  Also, one
of our members (I shan't embarrass him by saying who) made a live recording
of an orchestra on a Nak' deck and made me a copy of it - I can honestly say
it is one of the finest quality recordings that I have on cassette, CD or
vinyl.  IMHO, the BEST of the cassette decks, with the right quality
software, were/are capable of mastering fine quality recordings, and
certainly better than CD/R, DVD/R or even most HD recording machines, save
perhaps for some of the pro' gear .... but there again ... I have heard some
recordings done entirely in the digital domain, so that (allegedly) "nothing
is lost from the original" which sound crushed and lifeless, and lacking
tonal colour.

I sometimes think that recording is a bit like photography.  A really good
photographer doesn't need to spend mega bucks on a fancy professional Nikon
with a hundred frames of film and a motor drive; s/he can take an amazing
picture with a box Brownie camera in one shot.

Gra'




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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct  2 03:02:38 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:02:38 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001092324.01e12390@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <000901c4a81b$8475ea00$6b773242@CopyTech>

Plus the Dolby S is more forgiving for those who like to playback without
decoding, like the dolby b. Dolby S was an attempt to emulate the venerable
pro version of Dolby SR (spectral recording).

Anyway, I'll choose a Dragon over any HK at anytime.



Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????


> Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings,
> technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were
> considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby S can get up
> to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81 or so with
> Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic range.
>
> Of course the proof would only be in the listening.
>
>


From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct  2 03:05:24 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:05:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <BD832784.6C4E%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002901c4a81b$e7b15b40$6b773242@CopyTech>

Cassette Master is not a joke for those very few who still duplicates
cassette to cassette on Telex, Sony, Otari and Infonics machines. Not many
anymore, I'm afraid ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "POKEMONOJEFF" <pokemonoman at mac.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> on 9/29/04 7:00 PM, Ray Kunst at rkunst at C-K.com wrote:
>
> > NOS
> > SONY
> > METAL MASTER
> > SUPER AUDIO
> > CASSETTE TAPES
> > FOR SALE
> >
> > $64.99 ea!!!
>
> THESE ARE, I'M SURE, COLLECTORS ITEMS.
>
> IF YOU WWERE GOING TO MAKE A CASSETTE "MASTER"  (A LAUGHABLE PROPOSDITION
IN
> MY OPINION...) THEN I COULD SEE ITY.
> OTHERWISE, IT'S A HUGE RIP-OFF, IN MY OPINION, NATCH...
> PMJ
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct  2 03:07:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:07:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
References: <000a01c4a7f2$3f9b8ee0$539d4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004001c4a81c$24337800$6b773242@CopyTech>

Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITSThe only real nightmares for every tech are the ZXL series; specifically the 700 and 1000 ZXL.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:07 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


  I believe they (Dragons) are not intuitive to work on.  So, your average tech' might have difficulties.  However, specialist Nak' techs', like Stephen Sank, Jeff Galin, Steve Rudik, B&W, etc., and some of the experts that belong to this List, would appear not to find them a "nightmare".  But I would think - correct me if I am wrong, guys - the issue with Dragons is that they are not quite so easy to diagnose when something goes wrong on account of their sophisticated ICs, plus spares are not getting easier to find!   However, the thing that makes the Dragon particularly special is the auto azi' adjustment, which, combined with its otherwise superb sonic qualities, make it probably the finest cassette REPLAY machine ever produced.  And it does rather well recording, too.  But, arguably, there are others that can record better than the Dragon.  E.g. CR7, ReVox B215, Tandberg 3014.

  Gra'
    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of POKEMONOJEFF
    Sent: 01 October 2004 20:12
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


    I'M SURE A DRAGON IS JUST DANDY, BUT I HEARD THEY WERE A NIGTMARE TO HAVE RESTORED AND/OR REPAIRED AND I HEARD THIS FROM QUITE A FREW DIFFERNT TECHS.

    ALL THE BEST,

    PMJ


    on 9/24/04 4:38 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:


      PMJ said:  " HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HEARD MORE PERFECT PLAYBACK FROM AN ORDINARY PRE-RECORDED CASSETTE THAN THROUGH MY EBAY PURCHASED 670ZX PERIOD."

      That's cos' you've not heard a Dragon ... 


    Gra'



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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct  2 03:20:24 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:20:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
References: <BD833342.6C63%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c4a81e$01050d10$6b773242@CopyTech>

Jeff, I'm sorry but perhaps you are missing the point here. We are talking
about cassette decks, not mastering machines. I have an Studer A-80 1/2" 15
& 30 ips for certain pro applications. I don't really think anybody is dumb
enough to record domestic recordings on such a machine where a reel cost
over $50.00 and gives you 1/2 hour at 30 ips. Plus, who wants an "stove" in
a living room ? I do have a Technics 1700 for my home use and I found it
better than my former Studer/Revox B 77 & PR 99. But again, those are open
reel decks; not cassettes'.

Dolby & auto azymuth is completely irelevant for open reel decks depending
on the speed and the tape you are recording, but, I'm afraid that for
cassette applications is completely imperative if you want to obtain certain
quality. You'll be surprised if I tell you that some restorations & new CD
re-issues has been "rescued" from safety copies made on cassettes ... yes,
many times my friend ...

So, a "great recording machine" are those who fulfill your expectations and
quality no matter what the media is: CD, Cassette, Reel, DAT or MD. It all
depends on the applications and your very personal taste.

Carlos










----- Original Message ----- 
From: "POKEMONOJEFF" <pokemonoman at mac.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????


> on 10/1/04 4:08 PM, Ti Kan at ti at amb.org wrote:
>
> > Derrick Beckner writes:
> >> Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings,
> >> technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were
> >> considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby S can get
up
> >> to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81 or so with
> >> Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic
range.
> >
> > But it's missing the all-important defining feature of the Dragon: NAAC.
> >
> > -Ti
>
>
> DOLBY S IS CUTE AND SO ARE THE OUSTANDING FEATURES OF THE DRAGON. NONE OF
> THIS STUFF IS ABSOLUYTELY NECESSARY.
> IF YOU NEED A GREAT RECORDING MACHINE, BUY A STUDER REEL TO REEL OR A
> STELLOVOX REEL TO REEL PERIOD.
>
> PMJ
>
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 23:00:00 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:00:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <000001c4a7f5$6625dcc0$b2c84c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BD833D90.6C79%pokemonoman@mac.com>


NICE ANSWER!!! I'VE ALSO RECORD LIVE TO 2 TRACK (!!!) VIA MY
PORTABLENAKAMICHI USING THE THREE NAKAMICHI MICROPHONES. ONE IN LEFT, ONE IN
CENTER AND ONE IN RIGHT.

IT IS HARD TO GET THE SETTIONGS RIGHT WITH LIUD ROCK MUSIC I THINK. BUT I'LL
TRYT IT AGAIN. I'VE GOT A SONY PRO 5 AS WELL.

WHAT I WASMAIMLY REFERING TO, HOWEVER, WAS THE
NEED" FOR AN OVERPRICED $60.00 METAL CASSETTE.
I DO ENJOY CASSETTE RECORDINGS AND HAVE BEEN MAKING THEM FOR YEARS!!

PMJ

on 10/1/04 4:29 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

> POKEMONOJEFF said:  "IF YOU WWERE GOING TO MAKE A CASSETTE "MASTER"  (A
> LAUGHABLE PROPOSDITION IN MY OPINION...) "
> 
> Then you have probably never heard the classic "The Texas Campfire Tapes"
> vinyl LP by Michelle Shocked, which was mastered onto a humble cassette
> loaded on a Sony Walkman, recorded in the open air by a campfire!  Also, one
> of our members (I shan't embarrass him by saying who) made a live recording
> of an orchestra on a Nak' deck and made me a copy of it - I can honestly say
> it is one of the finest quality recordings that I have on cassette, CD or
> vinyl.  IMHO, the BEST of the cassette decks, with the right quality
> software, were/are capable of mastering fine quality recordings, and
> certainly better than CD/R, DVD/R or even most HD recording machines, save
> perhaps for some of the pro' gear .... but there again ... I have heard some
> recordings done entirely in the digital domain, so that (allegedly) "nothing
> is lost from the original" which sound crushed and lifeless, and lacking
> tonal colour.
> 
> I sometimes think that recording is a bit like photography.  A really good
> photographer doesn't need to spend mega bucks on a fancy professional Nikon
> with a hundred frames of film and a motor drive; s/he can take an amazing
> picture with a box Brownie camera in one shot.
> 
> Gra'

NICE ANSWER!!! I'VE ALSO RECORD LIVE TO 2 TRACK (!!!) VIA MY
PORTABLENAKAMICHI USING THE THREE NAKAMICHI MICROPHONES. ONE IN LEFT, ONE IN
CENTER AND ONE IN RIGHT.

IT IS HARD TO GET THE SETTIONGS RIGHT WITH LIUD ROCK MUSIC I THINK. BUT I'LL
TRYT IT AGAIN. I'VE GOT A SONY PRO 5 AS WELL.

WHAT I WASMAIMLY REFERING TO, HOWEVER, WAS THE
NEED" FOR AN OVERPRICED $60.00 METAL CASSETTE.
I DO ENJOY CASSETTE RECORDINGS AND HAVE BEEN MAKING THEM FOR YEARS!!

PMJ



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 23:01:52 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:01:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4a7f2$3f9b8ee0$539d4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BD833E00.6C7A%pokemonoman@mac.com>

AGAIN, GREAT ANSWERS.  CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE AUTI AZIMUTYH IS
"BETTER" ON THE DRAGON THAN MY LOWLY NAK 670 ZX?

IS IT BECAUSE MINE IS FOR RECORD ONLY?

LET ME KNOW AND THANX!!

PMJ

on 10/1/04 4:07 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

sophisticated ICs, plus spares are not getting easier to find!   However,
the thing that makes the Dragon particularly special is the auto azi'
adjustment, which, combined with its otherwise superb sonic qualities, make
it probably the finest cassette REPLAY machine ever produced.  And it does
rather well recording, too.  But, arguably, there are others that can record
better than the Dragon.  E.g. CR7, ReVox B215, Tandberg 3014.
 
Gra'

AGAIN, GREAT ANSWERS.  CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE AUTI AZIMUTYH IS
"BETTER" ON THE DRAGON THAN MY LOWLY NAK 670 ZX?

IS IT BECAUSE MINE IS FOR RECORD ONLY?

LET ME KNOW AND THANX!!

PMJ



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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 22:57:05 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:57:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <000101c4a7f6$31388e80$b2c84c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BD833CE1.6C78%pokemonoman@mac.com>

WHAT IS "NAAC" PLEASE?

PMJ

on 10/1/04 4:35 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

>> But it's missing the all-important defining feature of the Dragon: NAAC.
>> 
>> -Ti


WHAT IS "NAAC" PLEASE?

PMJ



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 23:02:48 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:02:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F334nhrKtzcbLD00030507@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD833E38.6C7C%pokemonoman@mac.com>

SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A VERY NICE COMPANION AND YES, SHARING MUSIC WITH YOUR
COMPANION IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS IN MY OPINION.

PMJ

on 10/1/04 4:04 PM, neil lipes at neillipes628 at hotmail.com wrote:

> 
> And nothing beats listening to music with my wife while glancing over at the
> mono-amps glowing with the light of sixteen KT-90 glass bottles!
> 
> Neil

SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A VERY NICE COMPANION AND YES, SHARING MUSIC WITH YOUR
COMPANION IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS IN MY OPINION.

PMJ



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  1 23:05:19 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:05:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFGEIDCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BD833ECF.6C7D%pokemonoman@mac.com>

I HAVE A SONY WITH DOLBY S THAT I GOT FOR $5.00 AT THE OODWILL. IT WORKS
PERFECTLY, BUT I JUST CAN'T WARM UP TO ANY DOLBY. PRFOPERLY CALIBRATED OLR
NOT. IT IS A "FILTER" AND I HATE ALL FILTERING.

I'D ABSOLUTELY POSOITIVELY RATHER HEAR THE TAPE HISS ANY DAY.

BY THE WAY, I DID ABSOLUTLE DID COIN THIS EXPRESSION YEARS AGO:

"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN....."

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..." EXPRESSION COPYWRITE OWNER


on 10/1/04 4:04 PM, Stan Targowski at stan.targowski at comcast.net wrote:

> Well, TD4600 is a 2-head Dolby S unit. Nothing impressive, not close to
> CD-491 they used to make. The TD-4800 was a three head model. But again,
> this is not even close to BX300.
> 
> Stan

I HAVE A SONY WITH DOLBY S THAT I GOT FOR $5.00 AT THE OODWILL. IT WORKS
PERFECTLY, BUT I JUST CAN'T WARM UP TO ANY DOLBY. PRFOPERLY CALIBRATED OLR
NOT. IT IS A "FILTER" AND I HATE ALL FILTERING.

I'D ABSOLUTELY POSOITIVELY RATHER HEAR THE TAPE HISS ANY DAY.

BY THE WAY, I DID ABSOLUTLE DID COIN THIS EXPRESSION YEARS AGO:

"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN....."

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..." EXPRESSION COPYWRITE OWNER



From gwmcbride at comcast.net  Fri Oct  1 23:56:19 2004
From: gwmcbride at comcast.net (GMcBride)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:56:19 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV10iZ9rWjAK00073656@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBOEELCKAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>

Hi Alex,

Sorry for the delay in my reply, I've been out and about . . . .

I used to preach the "pure Isopropyl, NOT rubbing alcohol" at to all the
customers, including professional types, that called in with questions
and/or problems when I worked for a tape manufacturer.  My other standard
sermon was "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" on ANY recorder whether it was
Audio, Video, Instrumentation, or Data !  Even CD and DVD readers/writers
need to have the lens of the laser and pick up cleaned, preferably with one
of the cleaning disks that has the tiny brushes installed on the business
side of the disc.

There used to be a product that was considered a "Rubber Restorer" (might
have even been the name of the stuff) and I wonder if anyone has tried some
of that on the tires and pulleys in any of the "Oldies" such as my 700?  And
if so, where did they get it?

I recently had the 17V power supply go south in my 700 and used a 2N2222A
(metal can T0-5 configuration [I think]) to replace Q404 which was
originally a 2SC732.  I also found that applying some heat sink compound
between the Power Supply PWB mounting bracket where it is attached to the
main recorder support helps to better distribute the heat away from the heat
sink and keep things a little cooler.  Hopefully, no more power supply
problems !!

I haven't yet had the task of opening one of the newer "Plastics" models and
I have a difficult time accepting that they would be more complicated than
the 1000 or the 700 drive systems.  It might be fun to poke around in one of
those!!

Keep the noise floor down in the mud !!

George




  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Alex Cozac
  Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:55 AM
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


  Hello George,

  I always use Isopropyl 100% pure alcohol and NEVER Rubbing as you quoted
alcohol! And believe me WORKS!!!!

  Concerning the FF/REV rounded belt, you can obtain very easily..as it's
similarly to more common cassettes deck around the world. Those lovely
"Oldies" Nak 1000; 1000/2; 700 and 700/2 was extremely well made much better
that the more complicated newer full of "Plastics" models, to my  knowledge
you don't need to change any assembly...last almost forever!

  Happy Listening,

  ALEX!
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: GMcBride
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:52 PM
    Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


    Hi,

    On the subject of 1000s and 700s as well, does anyone have any drive
mechanism parts lying around for the 700?  Mine is chattering a bit in FF &
REW and I'm hoping to find someone who has some of the tires and belts for
it, or maybe even the entire "fast mode" assembly.

    For cleaning the heads, capstans, and pinch rollers, NEVER use rubbing
alcohol !!  It typically contains up to 15% mineral oil !!!

    George McBride


      -----Original Message----- .
      From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Alex Cozac
      Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:51 PM
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


      Hi!

      Yes is justifies such lower price, want I don't know if you speak on
US $ or UK pounds, it's a little difference among these two prices!
      As you wrote us, seems in a "Super Mint" conditions! Buy it, makes
much less problems that the more newer ones, and really sound superb...I
still owning one 1000/2 from 1978 which I want to sell for $:300.00

      Happy Listening,

      ALEX!
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Mark Lynn
        To: naktalk at naks.com
        Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:26 PM
        Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


        it's in mint condition and was owned by what had to have been the
most anal person in the world.it's calibrated and pretty much in the best
shape it could be in.it even has the box that contained the papers and
calibration tapes.even that appears to be mint.
         i'll be using it for playback only.he wants 150 and just lives
right down the street so i've seen the unit and the guy selling it is a good
friend.please reply off list if you have any thoughts.thanks

        mark L.
        lynnzzz at comcast.net


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From gwmcbride at comcast.net  Sat Oct  2 00:22:41 2004
From: gwmcbride at comcast.net (GMcBride)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:22:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES 
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040930100319.01be81a0@pop.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBMEENCKAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>

Speaking of Maxell, have you ever used one of their Metal Vertex cassettes?



-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of roland
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


Although rare, they come up on eBay for around $25-35


At 06:00 PM 9/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>NOS
>SONY
>METAL MASTER
>SUPER AUDIO
>CASSETTE TAPES
>FOR SALE
>
>$64.99 ea!!!
>
>http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>
>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>If not, should I snatch them up??
>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
>Are they that much better??
>
>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>
>
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  2 02:26:16 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:26:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <BD833CE1.6C78%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20041002002616.9507.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com>

NAAC stands for Nakamichi Auto Azimuth Correction.  It is a system
that Nakamichi put on only the Dragon, TD-1200, 1200SE and 1200II.

It automatically adjusts the playback head for optimal azimuth match.
 It does so by slitting the gap on the right channel into two
separate gaps and then compares the phase of the signals coming from
each.  The PB head azimuth is then adjusted until the phase
difference is minimized.  That's an over simplification.  You can
read more about it here in page 4 of the Dragon brochure that I have
posted on the net.
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_4_sm.jpg

Scott J.

--- POKEMONOJEFF <pokemonoman at mac.com> wrote:

> WHAT IS "NAAC" PLEASE?
> 
> PMJ
> 
> on 10/1/04 4:35 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
> 
> >> But it's missing the all-important defining feature of the
> Dragon: NAAC.
> >> 
> >> -Ti
> 
> 
> WHAT IS "NAAC" PLEASE?
> 
> PMJ
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From ti at amb.org  Sat Oct  2 02:26:48 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <BD833CE1.6C78%pokemonoman@mac.com> from "POKEMONOJEFF" at Oct 01,
	2004 04:57:05 PM
Message-ID: <20041002002648.AB12D17048@smtp.amb.org>

POKEMONOJEFF writes:
> WHAT IS "NAAC" PLEASE?

"Nakamichi Auto Azimuth Correction".  The Dragon is the only Nak home
cassette deck that has it.  In short, it automatically and dynamically
adapts the playback head azimuth alignment to the tape, so that no matter
which deck the tape was recorded on, no matter which tape play direction
(Dragon is auto reverse), you will always be extracting the best performance
possible from the tape.

How NAAC works is ingenius.  The right channel playback head is actually
two separate heads in parallel, reading the right channel track on the
tape simultaneously.  If there is any azimuth error, the signal from
one of them will lag behind the other in phase.  In conjunction with
some heuristics logic, the two outputs are compared and, if necessary,
the microprocessor activates the azimuth correction motor rotate the head
in order to null out such errors.

-Ti


From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sat Oct  2 02:42:17 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:42:17 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6D0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Yep it certainly is the wireless remote.

-----Original Message-----
From: POKEMONOJEFF [mailto:pokemonoman at mac.com]
Sent: Saturday, 2 October 2004 4:55
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote


IS THIS THE WIRELESS REMOTE??
I WANT/NEED ONE VERY BADLY

PMJ

on 9/30/04 5:52 PM, Thomas Siomopoulos at Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au
wrote:

> statememnt), so I went and bought a second-hand rm-580r/t. Love it to
bits.
> 
> Tom.


IS THIS THE WIRELESS REMOTE??
I WANT/NEED ONE VERY BADLY

PMJ

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct  2 01:35:58 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 00:35:58 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <004c01c4a81e$01050d10$6b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000f01c4a80f$6740eae0$0bdb4c51@oemcomputer>

Carlos

You remind me of what happened when my wife and I made a radio programme
about Russian jazz for Jazz FM @ Manchester, England.    At a planning
meeting before we'd written the programme, we mentioned some of the material
Tanya had collected were "masters" (from Nicolai Panov) laid down on a
humble cassette, and Ferric Oxide at that.    I suppose you might have
called them "safety" copies?  Whatever, they were dubbed at the time the R2R
or DAT (or whatever) copies were made in readiness for production onto CD.
The producer, a seasoned broadcaster and also a senior executive @ JFM at
the time said, "Oh no - cassette's are no good.  They're fine for voice, of
course, but you can't get the quality from them.  We're not even keen on
vinyl these days, either.  CDs or DATs are what we prefer..."

So, we went home, borrowed a cheap Sony DAT recorder, and copied the tracks
we wanted on the cassette and vinyl straight onto a DAT tape, and presented
JFM with that instead  They were more than satisfied with the recording
quality because the music was now on a DAT tape!

Incidentally, the cassette to DAT copies were not replayed from a
Nakamichi - I didn't own one then - but from a humble 2 headed Aiwa AD1800
about 15 years old at that time!!

All goes to show, I think, that we often hear what we want to hear, not
necessarily what is there.

Gra'



> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 02 October 2004 02:20
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????
>
>
> Jeff, I'm sorry but perhaps you are missing the point here. We are talking
> about cassette decks, not mastering machines. I have an Studer
> A-80 1/2" 15
> & 30 ips for certain pro applications. I don't really think
> anybody is dumb
> enough to record domestic recordings on such a machine where a reel cost
> over $50.00 and gives you 1/2 hour at 30 ips. Plus, who wants an
> "stove" in
> a living room ? I do have a Technics 1700 for my home use and I found it
> better than my former Studer/Revox B 77 & PR 99. But again, those are open
> reel decks; not cassettes'.
>
> Dolby & auto azymuth is completely irelevant for open reel decks depending
> on the speed and the tape you are recording, but, I'm afraid that for
> cassette applications is completely imperative if you want to
> obtain certain
> quality. You'll be surprised if I tell you that some restorations & new CD
> re-issues has been "rescued" from safety copies made on cassettes ... yes,
> many times my friend ...
>
> So, a "great recording machine" are those who fulfill your
> expectations and
> quality no matter what the media is: CD, Cassette, Reel, DAT or MD. It all
> depends on the applications and your very personal taste.
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "POKEMONOJEFF" <pokemonoman at mac.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????
>
>
> > on 10/1/04 4:08 PM, Ti Kan at ti at amb.org wrote:
> >
> > > Derrick Beckner writes:
> > >> Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings,
> > >> technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were
> > >> considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby
> S can get
> up
> > >> to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81
> or so with
> > >> Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic
> range.
> > >
> > > But it's missing the all-important defining feature of the
> Dragon: NAAC.
> > >
> > > -Ti
> >
> >
> > DOLBY S IS CUTE AND SO ARE THE OUSTANDING FEATURES OF THE
> DRAGON. NONE OF
> > THIS STUFF IS ABSOLUYTELY NECESSARY.
> > IF YOU NEED A GREAT RECORDING MACHINE, BUY A STUDER REEL TO REEL OR A
> > STELLOVOX REEL TO REEL PERIOD.
> >
> > PMJ
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  2 01:42:38 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:42:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <BAY2-F334nhrKtzcbLD00030507@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12WGxegIqu0000637d@hotmail.com>

Hi Neil,

I really agreed with your lovely common sense...! As I always own and have 
in use tubes/valves stereo gear + today 4 turntables and a Nitty Gritty 
record cleaning machine...HOWEVER...mostly of the newer recording is do it 
ONLY in CD format...and my good friend MUST hear as close to ANALOGUE way, 
and this new Naim's Cd player really do so!!!
He own also a Linn LP-12/Armageddon/Aro/ Audio Technica cartridge all his 
very expensive Naim's gear sit on two "Base" brand 4 floors rack's support 
system. The "Only" NOT Naim's gear is his turntable and ProAc 3.8 speakers.
Really only in his home and with his very expensive & superlative equipment 
I enjoy "Solid State"....set!!!

Be well!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Alex:
>
> Although I do have a CD player and DVD burner for my wife.....I will die 
> an analog fool.....I just like everything about it.......from holding and 
> reading Lp covers to cleaning the black gold on my VPI... to setting up my 
> arm on the TNT.......I like to tweak......it is a good form of therapy!!
>
> And nothing beats listening to music with my wife while glancing over at 
> the mono-amps glowing with the light of sixteen KT-90 glass bottles!
>
> Neil
>
>
>>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:11:12 +0200
>>
>>Hi Neil,
>>
>>Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last Naim 
>>product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i remember well 
>>near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a "Completely 
>>Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided after!!!!
>>
>>Happy listening...!
>>
>>ALEX!
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:39 PM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>
>>
>>>Mark:
>>>
>>>All the audio "pundants" in my family were silenced years ago when I got 
>>>tired of hearing that I was strange with my tube amps and VPI/TNT/ET 
>>>front end.........so I invited them over for dinner and let them flap 
>>>their gums about how great cd's were....after some direct comparisons of 
>>>identical music on differenrt media cd's/lp's........all but my two 
>>>stupid cousins admitted how different the records sounded to the 
>>>cds......they even used the terms warmer.....and more life like.....given 
>>>a good analog front end........the digital monster is exposed as the 
>>>fraud he truly is!
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>To: <rkunst at C-K.com>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>>>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:09:54 +0200
>>>>
>>>>Yes!!
>>>>
>>>>It does seem crazy!!  And I'm sure we've all had a good laugh, mainly
>>>>because we have a couple of super-metals smugly stashed away.  But of
>>>>course, from a viewpoint of demand/supply economics, the value of
>>>>anything is determined by the price at which it will change hands.  And
>>>>these things are moving off his/her shelves!!
>>>>
>>>>However, having said that, they are simply fantastic tapes.  I am a
>>>>great fan of Maxell XLII-S.  It's probably my favourite type II.
>>>>However, a SSMM is a type IV and will beat it soundly (pardon the pun)
>>>>on every measurable rating in the book, have no fear of that.  The
>>>>levels of fidelity possible are of the highest order and it cannot be
>>>>wasted on either substandard equipment or find it's way into the hands
>>>>of amateurs.  This sort of pricing will make sure of that.
>>>>
>>>>The way to use a cassette such as this is on a top quality deck,
>>>>recording from virgin vinyl or master tape on a very high-end analogue
>>>>system.  I suggest analogue so as to keep the analogue format all the
>>>>way through.  Consider this j-card extract from one of my tapes - the
>>>>cassette was:  TDK MA-XG
>>>>
>>>>Artist
>>>>"The Who"
>>>>Simply Vinyl 180g Pressing
>>>>
>>>>Linn LP12, SME IV Arm
>>>>Transfiguration Esprit Cart, (120ohm 1,3mV)
>>>>Linn Lingo PS, Ringmat,
>>>>Eurekon MC001 P/stage
>>>>Genesis Bal. Sol.Silver
>>>>Jeff Rowland Consummate" Pre-amp
>>>>Nakamichi CR-7E  (Dolby C)
>>>>TR. Date: 15/12/2003
>>>>
>>>>This is quite a nice vinyl set-up.  I know some of you will be thinking
>>>>- he needs to hear an "Orbe" or "Townshend Rock Reference" or Forsell,
>>>>or whatever.  Sure, they are fantastic.  The main point is, you will not
>>>>want to waste the extraordinary resolving power of a Super-Metal if only
>>>>recording from a CD, or radio.  Also, you do not want to be using a
>>>>cassette deck that cannot manage to make the most of the demanding tape
>>>>formulation, including it's phenomenol overload characteristics.
>>>>
>>>>These are not everyday tapes, but if you're looking to blow someones
>>>>socks off with a sound that they never dreamed possible - (never mind
>>>>that it's from cassette, which they will never even suspect) these
>>>>honeys will do it.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>> rkunst at C-K.com 09/30/04 01:00AM >>>
>>>>NOS
>>>>SONY
>>>>METAL MASTER
>>>>SUPER AUDIO
>>>>CASSETTE TAPES
>>>>FOR SALE
>>>>
>>>>$64.99 ea!!!
>>>>
>>>>http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>>>>If not, should I snatch them up??
>>>>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
>>>>Are they that much better??
>>>>
>>>>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>>>>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Oct  2 01:47:16 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:47:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES 
References: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBMEENCKAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <009a01c4a810$fc1d2c90$c3b30642@john1patlmckrl>

Ask Stephen Sank about Maxell Vertex cassettes then if you have any you will 
give them away ;-) Right Stephen?

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GMcBride" <gwmcbride at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:22 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Speaking of Maxell, have you ever used one of their Metal Vertex 
> cassettes?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of roland
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> Although rare, they come up on eBay for around $25-35
>
>
> At 06:00 PM 9/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>NOS
>>SONY
>>METAL MASTER
>>SUPER AUDIO
>>CASSETTE TAPES
>>FOR SALE
>>
>>$64.99 ea!!!
>>
>>http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>>
>>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>>If not, should I snatch them up??
>>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
>>Are they that much better??
>>
>>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  2 01:53:00 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:53:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
References: <000a01c4a7f2$3f9b8ee0$539d4c51@oemcomputer>
	<004001c4a81c$24337800$6b773242@CopyTech>
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Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITSGreat Carlos!!!! I once own a 1000ZXL only for a week, because :Refuse"...to "Auto Calibrated" Himself....so I was unable to record, the playback was working at that time....and here in Israel...NO technician for repair it...so I gave away to a seller, and exchanged it for my today in use Philips CD-850/2 Cd player...which after more of 10 years that was exchanged...NO problems at all!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 3:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


  The only real nightmares for every tech are the ZXL series; specifically the 700 and 1000 ZXL.

  Carlos

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Nelson 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:07 PM
    Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


    I believe they (Dragons) are not intuitive to work on.  So, your average tech' might have difficulties.  However, specialist Nak' techs', like Stephen Sank, Jeff Galin, Steve Rudik, B&W, etc., and some of the experts that belong to this List, would appear not to find them a "nightmare".  But I would think - correct me if I am wrong, guys - the issue with Dragons is that they are not quite so easy to diagnose when something goes wrong on account of their sophisticated ICs, plus spares are not getting easier to find!   However, the thing that makes the Dragon particularly special is the auto azi' adjustment, which, combined with its otherwise superb sonic qualities, make it probably the finest cassette REPLAY machine ever produced.  And it does rather well recording, too.  But, arguably, there are others that can record better than the Dragon.  E.g. CR7, ReVox B215, Tandberg 3014.

    Gra'
      -----Original Message-----
      From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of POKEMONOJEFF
      Sent: 01 October 2004 20:12
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


      I'M SURE A DRAGON IS JUST DANDY, BUT I HEARD THEY WERE A NIGTMARE TO HAVE RESTORED AND/OR REPAIRED AND I HEARD THIS FROM QUITE A FREW DIFFERNT TECHS.

      ALL THE BEST,

      PMJ


      on 9/24/04 4:38 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:


        PMJ said:  " HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HEARD MORE PERFECT PLAYBACK FROM AN ORDINARY PRE-RECORDED CASSETTE THAN THROUGH MY EBAY PURCHASED 670ZX PERIOD."

        That's cos' you've not heard a Dragon ... 


      Gra'



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From: boblai at yahoo.com (Bob Lai)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:40:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Have CR1 door will sell 
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  2 01:57:58 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:57:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?
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Hi George!

I can't understand...NOW your 700 works or NOT? If yes...congratulations!!!! believe me I still have the 1000/2 the two belts gone, however still a reliable "Simpler" unit...! (Instead with my today's in use Dragon).

Happy listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GMcBride 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:56 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


  Hi Alex,

  Sorry for the delay in my reply, I've been out and about . . . .

  I used to preach the "pure Isopropyl, NOT rubbing alcohol" at to all the customers, including professional types, that called in with questions and/or problems when I worked for a tape manufacturer.  My other standard sermon was "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" on ANY recorder whether it was Audio, Video, Instrumentation, or Data !  Even CD and DVD readers/writers need to have the lens of the laser and pick up cleaned, preferably with one of the cleaning disks that has the tiny brushes installed on the business side of the disc.

  There used to be a product that was considered a "Rubber Restorer" (might have even been the name of the stuff) and I wonder if anyone has tried some of that on the tires and pulleys in any of the "Oldies" such as my 700?  And if so, where did they get it? 

  I recently had the 17V power supply go south in my 700 and used a 2N2222A (metal can T0-5 configuration [I think]) to replace Q404 which was originally a 2SC732.  I also found that applying some heat sink compound between the Power Supply PWB mounting bracket where it is attached to the main recorder support helps to better distribute the heat away from the heat sink and keep things a little cooler.  Hopefully, no more power supply problems !!

  I haven't yet had the task of opening one of the newer "Plastics" models and I have a difficult time accepting that they would be more complicated than the 1000 or the 700 drive systems.  It might be fun to poke around in one of those!!

  Keep the noise floor down in the mud !!

  George




    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac
    Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:55 AM
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


    Hello George,

    I always use Isopropyl 100% pure alcohol and NEVER Rubbing as you quoted alcohol! And believe me WORKS!!!!

    Concerning the FF/REV rounded belt, you can obtain very easily..as it's similarly to more common cassettes deck around the world. Those lovely "Oldies" Nak 1000; 1000/2; 700 and 700/2 was extremely well made much better that the more complicated newer full of "Plastics" models, to my  knowledge you don't need to change any assembly...last almost forever!

    Happy Listening,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: GMcBride 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:52 PM
      Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


      Hi,

      On the subject of 1000s and 700s as well, does anyone have any drive mechanism parts lying around for the 700?  Mine is chattering a bit in FF & REW and I'm hoping to find someone who has some of the tires and belts for it, or maybe even the entire "fast mode" assembly. 

      For cleaning the heads, capstans, and pinch rollers, NEVER use rubbing alcohol !!  It typically contains up to 15% mineral oil !!!

      George McBride


        -----Original Message----- . 
        From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac
        Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:51 PM
        To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
        Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


        Hi!

        Yes is justifies such lower price, want I don't know if you speak on US $ or UK pounds, it's a little difference among these two prices!
        As you wrote us, seems in a "Super Mint" conditions! Buy it, makes much less problems that the more newer ones, and really sound superb...I still owning one 1000/2 from 1978 which I want to sell for $:300.00

        Happy Listening,

        ALEX!
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Mark Lynn 
          To: naktalk at naks.com 
          Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:26 PM
          Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


          it's in mint condition and was owned by what had to have been the most anal person in the world.it's calibrated and pretty much in the best shape it could be in.it even has the box that contained the papers and calibration tapes.even that appears to be mint.
           i'll be using it for playback only.he wants 150 and just lives right down the street so i've seen the unit and the guy selling it is a good friend.please reply off list if you have any thoughts.thanks

          mark L.
          lynnzzz at comcast.net


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct  2 02:13:30 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:13:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <BD833E00.6C7A%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002601c4a814$a5e86660$0bdb4c51@oemcomputer>

Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITSThe auto azimuth, the NAAC
(Nakamichi Auto Azimuth Correction) adjust the azimuth during replay right
through the length of the tape.  So, whatever machine your cassette was
originally recorded on, and whatever type of cassette, the Dragon plays it
back spot on.  Only the Dragon has azi' correction of this kind.  The CR7
and some other Nak's do have replay azi' correction but it's manual, not
automatic.  I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) the 679 ZX is like my ZX9 -
it only has azimuth adjustment for RECORD, not playback.

One thing, however - I'm not sure how well a Dragon will cope with a
cassette shell that sets the tape slightly wrong when it's put into a
cassette machine for recording.  The machine may have its azimuth perfectly
set, but unless it's a ZX7 or ZX9, or similar, and capable of setting the
azimuth correctly within the machine for recording onto the cassette tape,
presumably, the Dragon's NAAC would not be able to compensate for the
"error".  This might be a problem, for example, if a typical new European
TDK SA tape were recorded on a BX1.  Some of the guys have noticed like me
that the shells are badly made and one has to re-adjust the azi' for
recording when you turn the tape over to record on the B side.  Now, one of
those tapes made on my ZX9 ought to be readable by a Dragon.  But a BX1
would record the tape with "incorrect" azimuth, such that it would perhaps
only best be replayed on the machine that recorded it ... (Although, I'd bet
my Pioneer 830S would probably cope with it well enough but by use of its
FLEX circuit!!)

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of POKEMONOJEFF
  Sent: 01 October 2004 22:02
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


  AGAIN, GREAT ANSWERS.  CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE AUTI AZIMUTYH IS
"BETTER" ON THE DRAGON THAN MY LOWLY NAK 670 ZX?

  IS IT BECAUSE MINE IS FOR RECORD ONLY?

  LET ME KNOW AND THANX!!

  PMJ

  on 10/1/04 4:07 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:


    sophisticated ICs, plus spares are not getting easier to find!
However, the thing that makes the Dragon particularly special is the auto
azi' adjustment, which, combined with its otherwise superb sonic qualities,
make it probably the finest cassette REPLAY machine ever produced.  And it
does rather well recording, too.  But, arguably, there are others that can
record better than the Dragon.  E.g. CR7, ReVox B215, Tandberg 3014.


  Gra'


  AGAIN, GREAT ANSWERS.  CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE AUTI AZIMUTYH IS
"BETTER" ON THE DRAGON THAN MY LOWLY NAK 670 ZX?

  IS IT BECAUSE MINE IS FOR RECORD ONLY?

  LET ME KNOW AND THANX!!

  PMJ




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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct  2 02:13:54 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:13:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
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Message-ID: <002b01c4a814$b425b980$0bdb4c51@oemcomputer>

You are SO right!!  That's why I'd like to trade the current Mrs Nelson in
for a new model!!  :o)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of POKEMONOJEFF
> Sent: 01 October 2004 22:03
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A VERY NICE COMPANION AND YES, SHARING MUSIC
> WITH YOUR
> COMPANION IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS IN MY OPINION.
>
> PMJ
>
> on 10/1/04 4:04 PM, neil lipes at neillipes628 at hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > And nothing beats listening to music with my wife while
> glancing over at the
> > mono-amps glowing with the light of sixteen KT-90 glass bottles!
> >
> > Neil
>
> SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A VERY NICE COMPANION AND YES, SHARING MUSIC
> WITH YOUR
> COMPANION IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS IN MY OPINION.
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> PMJ
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct  2 02:14:01 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:14:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES 
In-Reply-To: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBMEENCKAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c4a814$b7ea1480$0bdb4c51@oemcomputer>

Not had that pleasure.  Are they good/still available??

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of GMcBride
> Sent: 01 October 2004 23:23
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> Speaking of Maxell, have you ever used one of their Metal Vertex
> cassettes?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of roland
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> Although rare, they come up on eBay for around $25-35
>
>
> At 06:00 PM 9/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >NOS
> >SONY
> >METAL MASTER
> >SUPER AUDIO
> >CASSETTE TAPES
> >FOR SALE
> >
> >$64.99 ea!!!
> >
> >http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_
Tapes.htm
>
>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>If not, should I snatch them up??
>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
>Are they that much better??
>
>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>
>
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From jochi at qwest.net  Sat Oct  2 04:26:07 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:26:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?
References: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBOEELCKAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c4a827$2c79fec0$0500000a@uswest.net>

George,

I use a product called "Rubber Renue."  It may not be the same stuff you refer to, but it does work very well.  It is made by MG Chemicals.
If you do a Google search for "MG Chemicals," you can get their homepage which will list several online resellers.  

I buy from Mar Vac Electronics in Costa Mesa, California.  The product is "Rubber Renue, 8 oz, 408A-250ml."  The cost is $9.44.  I also like MG Chemical's "Audio Video Head Cleaner."  The bottle says, "Extreme Danger, Very Flammable."  I usually use Professional audio Tape Head Cleaning Fluid from American Recorder Technologies.  But sometimes I cannot get all the stuff off the capstans unless I use the MG Chemical's Head Cleaner.  

My Naks never eat tapes.  But I have a couple of Studer (Revox) decks that sometimes will eat a tape.  That's when I daub the Rubber Renue on the pinch rollers.  The Rubber Renue has always solved the problem.  

Hope this helps.

Jon Ochi  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GMcBride 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:56 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


  Hi Alex,

  Sorry for the delay in my reply, I've been out and about . . . .

  I used to preach the "pure Isopropyl, NOT rubbing alcohol" at to all the customers, including professional types, that called in with questions and/or problems when I worked for a tape manufacturer.  My other standard sermon was "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" on ANY recorder whether it was Audio, Video, Instrumentation, or Data !  Even CD and DVD readers/writers need to have the lens of the laser and pick up cleaned, preferably with one of the cleaning disks that has the tiny brushes installed on the business side of the disc.

  There used to be a product that was considered a "Rubber Restorer" (might have even been the name of the stuff) and I wonder if anyone has tried some of that on the tires and pulleys in any of the "Oldies" such as my 700?  And if so, where did they get it? 

  I recently had the 17V power supply go south in my 700 and used a 2N2222A (metal can T0-5 configuration [I think]) to replace Q404 which was originally a 2SC732.  I also found that applying some heat sink compound between the Power Supply PWB mounting bracket where it is attached to the main recorder support helps to better distribute the heat away from the heat sink and keep things a little cooler.  Hopefully, no more power supply problems !!

  I haven't yet had the task of opening one of the newer "Plastics" models and I have a difficult time accepting that they would be more complicated than the 1000 or the 700 drive systems.  It might be fun to poke around in one of those!!

  Keep the noise floor down in the mud !!

  George




    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac
    Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:55 AM
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


    Hello George,

    I always use Isopropyl 100% pure alcohol and NEVER Rubbing as you quoted alcohol! And believe me WORKS!!!!

    Concerning the FF/REV rounded belt, you can obtain very easily..as it's similarly to more common cassettes deck around the world. Those lovely "Oldies" Nak 1000; 1000/2; 700 and 700/2 was extremely well made much better that the more complicated newer full of "Plastics" models, to my  knowledge you don't need to change any assembly...last almost forever!

    Happy Listening,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: GMcBride 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:52 PM
      Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


      Hi,

      On the subject of 1000s and 700s as well, does anyone have any drive mechanism parts lying around for the 700?  Mine is chattering a bit in FF & REW and I'm hoping to find someone who has some of the tires and belts for it, or maybe even the entire "fast mode" assembly. 

      For cleaning the heads, capstans, and pinch rollers, NEVER use rubbing alcohol !!  It typically contains up to 15% mineral oil !!!

      George McBride


        -----Original Message----- . 
        From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac
        Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:51 PM
        To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
        Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


        Hi!

        Yes is justifies such lower price, want I don't know if you speak on US $ or UK pounds, it's a little difference among these two prices!
        As you wrote us, seems in a "Super Mint" conditions! Buy it, makes much less problems that the more newer ones, and really sound superb...I still owning one 1000/2 from 1978 which I want to sell for $:300.00

        Happy Listening,

        ALEX!
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Mark Lynn 
          To: naktalk at naks.com 
          Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:26 PM
          Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


          it's in mint condition and was owned by what had to have been the most anal person in the world.it's calibrated and pretty much in the best shape it could be in.it even has the box that contained the papers and calibration tapes.even that appears to be mint.
           i'll be using it for playback only.he wants 150 and just lives right down the street so i've seen the unit and the guy selling it is a good friend.please reply off list if you have any thoughts.thanks

          mark L.
          lynnzzz at comcast.net


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From erie at shelbyvilledesign.com  Sat Oct  2 05:05:29 2004
From: erie at shelbyvilledesign.com (erie)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:05:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6D0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
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Message-ID: <415E1AF9.5040806@shelbyvilledesign.com>

Really? How bad?

erie

>
>IS THIS THE WIRELESS REMOTE??
>I WANT/NEED ONE VERY BADLY
>
>PMJ
>  
>



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  2 04:54:20 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:54:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
Message-ID: <BAY2-F32MiZopcRbAjX000241fb@hotmail.com>

Stan:

Many years ago a close friend gave me the greatest hint to listening to Lps 
and 78s that had surface noise or cracking transients........pretend you are 
in front of a fireplace listening to your favourite piece of music......the 
brain will tune out the nasties to allow you to enjoy the real reason for 
listening in the first place........works like a charm!

Neil


>From: POKEMONOJEFF <pokemonoman at mac.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????
>Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:05:19 -0400
>
>I HAVE A SONY WITH DOLBY S THAT I GOT FOR $5.00 AT THE OODWILL. IT WORKS
>PERFECTLY, BUT I JUST CAN'T WARM UP TO ANY DOLBY. PRFOPERLY CALIBRATED OLR
>NOT. IT IS A "FILTER" AND I HATE ALL FILTERING.
>
>I'D ABSOLUTELY POSOITIVELY RATHER HEAR THE TAPE HISS ANY DAY.
>
>BY THE WAY, I DID ABSOLUTLE DID COIN THIS EXPRESSION YEARS AGO:
>
>"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN....."
>
>PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..." EXPRESSION COPYWRITE OWNER
>
>
>on 10/1/04 4:04 PM, Stan Targowski at stan.targowski at comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Well, TD4600 is a 2-head Dolby S unit. Nothing impressive, not close to
> > CD-491 they used to make. The TD-4800 was a three head model. But again,
> > this is not even close to BX300.
> >
> > Stan
>
>I HAVE A SONY WITH DOLBY S THAT I GOT FOR $5.00 AT THE OODWILL. IT WORKS
>PERFECTLY, BUT I JUST CAN'T WARM UP TO ANY DOLBY. PRFOPERLY CALIBRATED OLR
>NOT. IT IS A "FILTER" AND I HATE ALL FILTERING.
>
>I'D ABSOLUTELY POSOITIVELY RATHER HEAR THE TAPE HISS ANY DAY.
>
>BY THE WAY, I DID ABSOLUTLE DID COIN THIS EXPRESSION YEARS AGO:
>
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>
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From ti at amb.org  Sat Oct  2 11:46:29 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 02:46:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <002601c4a814$a5e86660$0bdb4c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Oct
	02, 2004 01:13:30 AM
Message-ID: <20041002094629.9B2251704A@smtp.amb.org>

Nelson writes:
> ... 
> One thing, however - I'm not sure how well a Dragon will cope with a
> cassette shell that sets the tape slightly wrong when it's put into a
> cassette machine for recording.  The machine may have its azimuth perfectly
> set, but unless it's a ZX7 or ZX9, or similar, and capable of setting the
> azimuth correctly within the machine for recording onto the cassette tape,
> presumably, the Dragon's NAAC would not be able to compensate for the
> "error".

Why not?  The Dragon's NAAC will sense azimuth error and correct for
it no matter the cause...  It's not based on cassette shell tolerances.
The correction happens right at the playback head via phase comparison
as already mentioned in a different post.

-Ti



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct  2 12:39:55 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:39:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <20041002094629.9B2251704A@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <000001c4a86c$27cd0b20$a99b4c51@oemcomputer>

But if the recording was done at the wrong azimuth (because the cassette
shell is misaligned) surely the NAAC would only compensate to a position
that assumes it was correct.

Gra'

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> Behalf Of Ti Kan
> Sent: 02 October 2004 10:46
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
>
>
> Nelson writes:
> > ...
> > One thing, however - I'm not sure how well a Dragon will cope with a
> > cassette shell that sets the tape slightly wrong when it's put into a
> > cassette machine for recording.  The machine may have its
> azimuth perfectly
> > set, but unless it's a ZX7 or ZX9, or similar, and capable of
> setting the
> > azimuth correctly within the machine for recording onto the
> cassette tape,
> > presumably, the Dragon's NAAC would not be able to compensate for the
> > "error".
>
> Why not?  The Dragon's NAAC will sense azimuth error and correct for
> it no matter the cause...  It's not based on cassette shell tolerances.
> The correction happens right at the playback head via phase comparison
> as already mentioned in a different post.
>
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From lyra at abc.lt  Sat Oct  2 12:57:47 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <BAY2-F355XmllgYBr4B0002556b@hotmail.com>
	<BAY18-DAV1Tjr8cU6xf000018aa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c4a86e$a76f61a0$040310ac@lyra2>

Hi Alex,

Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to sound close 
to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player) sounds and 
how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players. Even good, 
from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much closer to 
real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many opportunities 
to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.

Have a great weekend!

Tadas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


Hi Neil,

Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last Naim
product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i remember well
near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a "Completely
Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided after!!!!

Happy listening...!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Mark:
>
> All the audio "pundants" in my family were silenced years ago when I got 
> tired of hearing that I was strange with my tube amps and VPI/TNT/ET front 
> end.........so I invited them over for dinner and let them flap their gums 
> about how great cd's were....after some direct comparisons of identical 
> music on differenrt media cd's/lp's........all but my two stupid cousins 
> admitted how different the records sounded to the cds......they even used 
> the terms warmer.....and more life like.....given a good analog front 
> end........the digital monster is exposed as the fraud he truly is!
>
> Neil
>
>
>>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: <rkunst at C-K.com>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:09:54 +0200
>>
>>Yes!!
>>
>>It does seem crazy!!  And I'm sure we've all had a good laugh, mainly
>>because we have a couple of super-metals smugly stashed away.  But of
>>course, from a viewpoint of demand/supply economics, the value of
>>anything is determined by the price at which it will change hands.  And
>>these things are moving off his/her shelves!!
>>
>>However, having said that, they are simply fantastic tapes.  I am a
>>great fan of Maxell XLII-S.  It's probably my favourite type II.
>>However, a SSMM is a type IV and will beat it soundly (pardon the pun)
>>on every measurable rating in the book, have no fear of that.  The
>>levels of fidelity possible are of the highest order and it cannot be
>>wasted on either substandard equipment or find it's way into the hands
>>of amateurs.  This sort of pricing will make sure of that.
>>
>>The way to use a cassette such as this is on a top quality deck,
>>recording from virgin vinyl or master tape on a very high-end analogue
>>system.  I suggest analogue so as to keep the analogue format all the
>>way through.  Consider this j-card extract from one of my tapes - the
>>cassette was:  TDK MA-XG
>>
>>Artist
>>"The Who"
>>Simply Vinyl 180g Pressing
>>
>>Linn LP12, SME IV Arm
>>Transfiguration Esprit Cart, (120ohm 1,3mV)
>>Linn Lingo PS, Ringmat,
>>Eurekon MC001 P/stage
>>Genesis Bal. Sol.Silver
>>Jeff Rowland Consummate" Pre-amp
>>Nakamichi CR-7E  (Dolby C)
>>TR. Date: 15/12/2003
>>
>>This is quite a nice vinyl set-up.  I know some of you will be thinking
>>- he needs to hear an "Orbe" or "Townshend Rock Reference" or Forsell,
>>or whatever.  Sure, they are fantastic.  The main point is, you will not
>>want to waste the extraordinary resolving power of a Super-Metal if only
>>recording from a CD, or radio.  Also, you do not want to be using a
>>cassette deck that cannot manage to make the most of the demanding tape
>>formulation, including it's phenomenol overload characteristics.
>>
>>These are not everyday tapes, but if you're looking to blow someones
>>socks off with a sound that they never dreamed possible - (never mind
>>that it's from cassette, which they will never even suspect) these
>>honeys will do it.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> rkunst at C-K.com 09/30/04 01:00AM >>>
>>NOS
>>SONY
>>METAL MASTER
>>SUPER AUDIO
>>CASSETTE TAPES
>>FOR SALE
>>
>>$64.99 ea!!!
>>
>>http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>>
>>
>>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>>If not, should I snatch them up??
>>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
>>Are they that much better??
>>
>>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>>
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From george.valkov at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 15:39:21 2004
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:39:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <006f01c4a86e$a76f61a0$040310ac@lyra2>
References: <BAY2-F355XmllgYBr4B0002556b@hotmail.com>
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Guys, 

I hate stepping into the eternal digital vs. analog debacle, but I
can't help myself on this one.

IMHO, the first major issue of importance is the quality of the
recording/mastering/production process, both for vinyl and CD. No one
can convince me that a bad vinyl pressing of a crappy recording will
by definition sound better than the CD. That has always been my main
"bone of content" when going into LP vs CD comparisons - I have a
close friend with whom we have a sort of challenge - he's gone for
top-end vinyl (Michell Orbe with all bells and whistles/SME V/ VdH
Colibri/Tom Evans "The Groove") with solid state amplification (top
YBA), I've gone top-end CD (EMM Labs transport plus DAC) with
tube/valve amplification (custom-built passive preamp plus various
monoblocs, incl. Conrad-Johnson, BAT, etc.). How can you compare a
200g MFSL or other audiophile LP pressing to a run-of-the-mill CD ?
Depending on choice of material AND data carrier we have been able to
make strong cases both for vinyl and for CD - an XRCD of Victor
Feldman through my system completely blew away a normal vinyl pressing
of same album on my friend's system and vice versa in other instances.
I have to agree that the quality of most CDs is inferior, presumably
because at time of recording/production everyone thought "digital is
so good we don't need to pay much attention to the process" - but I
cannot agree to generalise that conclusion for absolutely each and
every case. I've long given up on theoretical disputes about formats,
I now rely solely on my senses - if I like the way it sounds, it's
good, regardless whether it's CD, LP, SACD, WAV from my Creative
Jukebox, etc. (well I can't really accept MP3 or AAC, or whatever
other compressed crap is available, but that's just me).

As always, what matters in the end is enjoying the music, the rest is
just a nice way to pass the time in friendly disputes with fellow
'natics.

Enjoy the weekend and the music !

George
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300, Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to sound close
> to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player) sounds and
> how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players. Even good,
> from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much closer to
> real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many opportunities
> to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.
> 
> Have a great weekend!
> 
> Tadas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last Naim
> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i remember well
> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a "Completely
> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided after!!!!
> 
> Happy listening...!
> 
> ALEX!


From ti at amb.org  Sat Oct  2 21:35:28 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:35:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <000001c4a86c$27cd0b20$a99b4c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Oct
	02, 2004 11:39:55 AM
Message-ID: <20041002193528.0B0FD169A4@smtp.amb.org>

Nelson writes:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ti Kan
> > Sent: 02 October 2004 10:46
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
> >
> >
> > Nelson writes:
> > > ...
> > > One thing, however - I'm not sure how well a Dragon will cope with a
> > > cassette shell that sets the tape slightly wrong when it's put into a
> > > cassette machine for recording.  The machine may have its
> > azimuth perfectly
> > > set, but unless it's a ZX7 or ZX9, or similar, and capable of
> > setting the
> > > azimuth correctly within the machine for recording onto the
> > cassette tape,
> > > presumably, the Dragon's NAAC would not be able to compensate for the
> > > "error".
> >
> > Why not?  The Dragon's NAAC will sense azimuth error and correct for
> > it no matter the cause...  It's not based on cassette shell tolerances.
> > The correction happens right at the playback head via phase comparison
> > as already mentioned in a different post.
>
> But if the recording was done at the wrong azimuth (because the cassette
> shell is misaligned) surely the NAAC would only compensate to a position
> that assumes it was correct.
> 
If the recording was done at the wrong azimuth for any reason (be it bad
record head algnment, bad shell alignment, whatever), the NAAC will
adapt to it.  This is the whole point of NAAC.  Only when the azimuth
alignment is so far off as to exceed the NAAC's range of adjustment,
would this fail.

-Ti



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  2 15:24:48 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:24:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <BAY2-F355XmllgYBr4B0002556b@hotmail.com><BAY18-DAV1Tjr8cU6xf000018aa@hotmail.com>
	<006f01c4a86e$a76f61a0$040310ac@lyra2>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5huQinOkrx0000166e@hotmail.com>

Hi Tadas,

Ok...maybe you are right! However when you pay a lot of money "MUST" be 
worthy!!!! And this newer Naim player really sound much better that a "Super 
Audio" format or something with a closer name! And for me...a Vinyl fan with 
a lot of Lp records collection...believe me Tadas...I CAN live with the 
sound of this newer Naim's CD player! I can enjoyed 10 hours continuously 
with NO "Listening Fatigue"...at all!

OK...depends also on the rest of the equipment...of course...this superb 
"Analogue Sounding" CD player alone WITH NO improve your CD pleasure if the 
rest of the equipment is NOT on the same level or better!!! Did you agreed?

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tadas Motiejunas" <lyra at abc.lt>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Hi Alex,
>
> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to sound 
> close to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player) 
> sounds and how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in 
> players. Even good, from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will 
> sound much closer to real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had 
> too many opportunities to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for 
> me here.
>
> Have a great weekend!
>
> Tadas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last Naim
> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i remember well
> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a "Completely
> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided after!!!!
>
> Happy listening...!
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
>> Mark:
>>
>> All the audio "pundants" in my family were silenced years ago when I got 
>> tired of hearing that I was strange with my tube amps and VPI/TNT/ET 
>> front end.........so I invited them over for dinner and let them flap 
>> their gums about how great cd's were....after some direct comparisons of 
>> identical music on differenrt media cd's/lp's........all but my two 
>> stupid cousins admitted how different the records sounded to the 
>> cds......they even used the terms warmer.....and more life like.....given 
>> a good analog front end........the digital monster is exposed as the 
>> fraud he truly is!
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: <rkunst at C-K.com>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:09:54 +0200
>>>
>>>Yes!!
>>>
>>>It does seem crazy!!  And I'm sure we've all had a good laugh, mainly
>>>because we have a couple of super-metals smugly stashed away.  But of
>>>course, from a viewpoint of demand/supply economics, the value of
>>>anything is determined by the price at which it will change hands.  And
>>>these things are moving off his/her shelves!!
>>>
>>>However, having said that, they are simply fantastic tapes.  I am a
>>>great fan of Maxell XLII-S.  It's probably my favourite type II.
>>>However, a SSMM is a type IV and will beat it soundly (pardon the pun)
>>>on every measurable rating in the book, have no fear of that.  The
>>>levels of fidelity possible are of the highest order and it cannot be
>>>wasted on either substandard equipment or find it's way into the hands
>>>of amateurs.  This sort of pricing will make sure of that.
>>>
>>>The way to use a cassette such as this is on a top quality deck,
>>>recording from virgin vinyl or master tape on a very high-end analogue
>>>system.  I suggest analogue so as to keep the analogue format all the
>>>way through.  Consider this j-card extract from one of my tapes - the
>>>cassette was:  TDK MA-XG
>>>
>>>Artist
>>>"The Who"
>>>Simply Vinyl 180g Pressing
>>>
>>>Linn LP12, SME IV Arm
>>>Transfiguration Esprit Cart, (120ohm 1,3mV)
>>>Linn Lingo PS, Ringmat,
>>>Eurekon MC001 P/stage
>>>Genesis Bal. Sol.Silver
>>>Jeff Rowland Consummate" Pre-amp
>>>Nakamichi CR-7E  (Dolby C)
>>>TR. Date: 15/12/2003
>>>
>>>This is quite a nice vinyl set-up.  I know some of you will be thinking
>>>- he needs to hear an "Orbe" or "Townshend Rock Reference" or Forsell,
>>>or whatever.  Sure, they are fantastic.  The main point is, you will not
>>>want to waste the extraordinary resolving power of a Super-Metal if only
>>>recording from a CD, or radio.  Also, you do not want to be using a
>>>cassette deck that cannot manage to make the most of the demanding tape
>>>formulation, including it's phenomenol overload characteristics.
>>>
>>>These are not everyday tapes, but if you're looking to blow someones
>>>socks off with a sound that they never dreamed possible - (never mind
>>>that it's from cassette, which they will never even suspect) these
>>>honeys will do it.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>Marc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> rkunst at C-K.com 09/30/04 01:00AM >>>
>>>NOS
>>>SONY
>>>METAL MASTER
>>>SUPER AUDIO
>>>CASSETTE TAPES
>>>FOR SALE
>>>
>>>$64.99 ea!!!
>>>
>>>http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>>>If not, should I snatch them up??
>>>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
>>>Are they that much better??
>>>
>>>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>>>
>>>
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat Oct  2 19:52:55 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:52:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <20041002094629.9B2251704A@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEIMCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

I am not sure I understand ...

My understanding is that if the tape was originally recorded without optimal
recording head adjustment, there is no way NAAC in playback mode will
compensate for azimuth errors made during recording. All NAAC can do, is to
get the best out of what's recorded, however, not to improve the original
per say. Wouldn't this be what Graham was talking about?

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Ti Kan
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:46 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


Nelson writes:
> ...
> One thing, however - I'm not sure how well a Dragon will cope with a
> cassette shell that sets the tape slightly wrong when it's put into a
> cassette machine for recording.  The machine may have its azimuth
perfectly
> set, but unless it's a ZX7 or ZX9, or similar, and capable of setting the
> azimuth correctly within the machine for recording onto the cassette tape,
> presumably, the Dragon's NAAC would not be able to compensate for the
> "error".

Why not?  The Dragon's NAAC will sense azimuth error and correct for
it no matter the cause...  It's not based on cassette shell tolerances.
The correction happens right at the playback head via phase comparison
as already mentioned in a different post.

-Ti

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct  2 22:11:55 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:11:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <20041002193528.0B0FD169A4@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <001601c4a8bc$106e5240$a99b4c51@oemcomputer>

Thanks Ti, for putting that straight  - my thinking is a little muddled at
the moment - other things on the mind.

Gra'

>
> If the recording was done at the wrong azimuth for any reason (be it bad
> record head algnment, bad shell alignment, whatever), the NAAC will
> adapt to it.  This is the whole point of NAAC.  Only when the azimuth
> alignment is so far off as to exceed the NAAC's range of adjustment,
> would this fail.
>
> -Ti
>
>
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From ti at amb.org  Sun Oct  3 00:36:02 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEIMCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net> from
	"Stan Targowski" at Oct 02, 2004 12:52:55 PM
Message-ID: <20041002223602.23627169A3@smtp.amb.org>

Stan Targowski writes:
> I am not sure I understand ...
> 
> My understanding is that if the tape was originally recorded without optimal
> recording head adjustment, there is no way NAAC in playback mode will
> compensate for azimuth errors made during recording. All NAAC can do, is to
> get the best out of what's recorded, however, not to improve the original
> per say. Wouldn't this be what Graham was talking about?

Lets say that if the recording deck had an azimuth error (for whatever reason,
either the head is misaligned, or the cassette shell doesn't sit perfectly),
such that the recording head gap is 1 degree off perpendicular relative
to the direction of tape travel, then the NAAC on the Dragon will rotote
its head so that it's 1 degrees off and the resulting "relative" azimuth
error is nulled.  What the playback head "sees" will be correct relatively
to what the record head recorded.

And the NAAC does so continuously throughout the playback, correcting
the azimuth as needed.

-Ti


From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct  3 10:50:40 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:50:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
References: <000f01c4a80f$6740eae0$0bdb4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001101c4a926$1280d160$0c773242@CopyTech>

Exactly, Gra'. Bunch of loosers ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] A new joke??????


> Carlos
>
> You remind me of what happened when my wife and I made a radio programme
> about Russian jazz for Jazz FM @ Manchester, England.    At a planning
> meeting before we'd written the programme, we mentioned some of the
material
> Tanya had collected were "masters" (from Nicolai Panov) laid down on a
> humble cassette, and Ferric Oxide at that.    I suppose you might have
> called them "safety" copies?  Whatever, they were dubbed at the time the
R2R
> or DAT (or whatever) copies were made in readiness for production onto CD.


From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct  3 10:51:45 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:51:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
References: <000a01c4a7f2$3f9b8ee0$539d4c51@oemcomputer><004001c4a81c$24337800$6b773242@CopyTech>
	<BAY18-DAV13GvnCjnZS00007861@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c4a926$380b69e0$0c773242@CopyTech>

Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITSYeah, Alex, that was exactly what happened to me ...

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alex Cozac 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


  Great Carlos!!!! I once own a 1000ZXL only for a week, because :Refuse"...to "Auto Calibrated" Himself....so I was unable to record, the playback was working at that time....and here in Israel...NO technician for repair it...so I gave away to a seller, and exchanged it for my today in use Philips CD-850/2 Cd player...which after more of 10 years that was exchanged...NO problems at all!

  Happy Listening,

  ALEX!
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: El Magnifico 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 3:07 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


    The only real nightmares for every tech are the ZXL series; specifically the 700 and 1000 ZXL.

    Carlos

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Nelson 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:07 PM
      Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


      I believe they (Dragons) are not intuitive to work on.  So, your average tech' might have difficulties.  However, specialist Nak' techs', like Stephen Sank, Jeff Galin, Steve Rudik, B&W, etc., and some of the experts that belong to this List, would appear not to find them a "nightmare".  But I would think - correct me if I am wrong, guys - the issue with Dragons is that they are not quite so easy to diagnose when something goes wrong on account of their sophisticated ICs, plus spares are not getting easier to find!   However, the thing that makes the Dragon particularly special is the auto azi' adjustment, which, combined with its otherwise superb sonic qualities, make it probably the finest cassette REPLAY machine ever produced.  And it does rather well recording, too.  But, arguably, there are others that can record better than the Dragon.  E.g. CR7, ReVox B215, Tandberg 3014.

      Gra'
        -----Original Message-----
        From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of POKEMONOJEFF
        Sent: 01 October 2004 20:12
        To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
        Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


        I'M SURE A DRAGON IS JUST DANDY, BUT I HEARD THEY WERE A NIGTMARE TO HAVE RESTORED AND/OR REPAIRED AND I HEARD THIS FROM QUITE A FREW DIFFERNT TECHS.

        ALL THE BEST,

        PMJ


        on 9/24/04 4:38 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:


          PMJ said:  " HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HEARD MORE PERFECT PLAYBACK FROM AN ORDINARY PRE-RECORDED CASSETTE THAN THROUGH MY EBAY PURCHASED 670ZX PERIOD."

          That's cos' you've not heard a Dragon ... 


        Gra'



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From craig at leckband.com  Mon Oct  4 06:27:51 2004
From: craig at leckband.com (Craig Leckband)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 00:27:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
Message-ID: <4160D147.2030409@leckband.com>

Greetings again.  I will keep each message short, but I have several 
things to report or ask about. 

First off, thank you all for your responses on my initial inquiry last 
month.  All of them were very thoughtful. 

Perhaps against my better judgment I decided to buy a CR-7 that has a 
blown power supply.  I will replace that in the next while, but my first 
real question is in regards to its serial number.  I have a CR-7 that 
was built in the third quarter of 85, which places it in the category of 
the 'record equalizaiton problem' and the idler problem. 

I did decide to buy several idlers from MCM so that is my solution to 
the idler failure issue.  Eventually I may buy a CR-1 and place its gear 
drive into my CR-7. 

The issue that I don't understand is the other issue with early CR-7's.  
It has been mentioned in the last year of the archives as the 'record 
calibration' issue.  I gather that the first circuit boards were 
mis-designed such that the record amp attenuated some of the high 
frequencies. 

I gather that there is a fix for this, but I was not able to track it 
down in the archives.  As I said, I have read back a full year, and the 
details of the fix were not there.  I wonder if someone would mind 
repeating the fix for me.  Thank you in advance. 

Also, is this something that can be repaired if I am only moderately 
handy with a soldering iron?

Craig




From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Oct  4 10:25:15 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:25:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <s1612517.080@mroute.sunint.co.za>

This true Gra'

Neil, if you doubt that cassette can be used as a quality master,
consider, amongst many other instances which I can dig up, that a
concert by Roxette in Santiago, Chile was recorded sequentially on a
pair of back-up Dragons when their DAT decks (2 Panasonic machines) were
inacapacitated  due to faulty power delivery.  The resulting recording
is equisitely clean, clear and atmospheric with frightening dynamics. 
The sounds of the huge crowd singing along draws you into the
performance and the mixing job is also amongst the best I've heard.  As
Graham says, the software is important - it was (unsurprisingly) Sony
Metal-ES.  

How it all sounds on the LP or CD in the end, depends much more on the
recording engineers being thorough and careful at the venue with the
basics, and not so much with the final medium.

As a matter of fact, poor microphones(even poorly maintained mikes),
running signal cables nonchalantly across power amps and the such have
greater potential for critical sound degradation.

Cheers all,

Marc





>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 10/01/04 10:29PM >>>
POKEMONOJEFF said:  "IF YOU WWERE GOING TO MAKE A CASSETTE "MASTER" 
(A
LAUGHABLE PROPOSDITION IN MY OPINION...) "

Then you have probably never heard the classic "The Texas Campfire
Tapes"
vinyl LP by Michelle Shocked, which was mastered onto a humble
cassette
loaded on a Sony Walkman, recorded in the open air by a campfire! 
Also, one
of our members (I shan't embarrass him by saying who) made a live
recording
of an orchestra on a Nak' deck and made me a copy of it - I can
honestly say
it is one of the finest quality recordings that I have on cassette, CD
or
vinyl.  IMHO, the BEST of the cassette decks, with the right quality
software, were/are capable of mastering fine quality recordings, and
certainly better than CD/R, DVD/R or even most HD recording machines,
save
perhaps for some of the pro' gear .... but there again ... I have heard
some
recordings done entirely in the digital domain, so that (allegedly)
"nothing
is lost from the original" which sound crushed and lifeless, and
lacking
tonal colour.

I sometimes think that recording is a bit like photography.  A really
good
photographer doesn't need to spend mega bucks on a fancy professional
Nikon
with a hundred frames of film and a motor drive; s/he can take an
amazing
picture with a box Brownie camera in one shot.

Gra'




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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Oct  4 11:10:46 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:10:46 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
Message-ID: <s1612fc4.007@mroute.sunint.co.za>

That's very true Neil,

In fact, for a modern version: home theatre is very impressive with all
the crash and thunder and tinkle of cartridge case scattering along the
floor, but once you are really into the story, you barely notice these
things!!  Might as well just be watching television......

Marc

>>> neillipes628 at hotmail.com 10/02/04 04:54AM >>>
Stan:

Many years ago a close friend gave me the greatest hint to listening to
Lps 
and 78s that had surface noise or cracking transients........pretend
you are 
in front of a fireplace listening to your favourite piece of
music......the 
brain will tune out the nasties to allow you to enjoy the real reason
for 
listening in the first place........works like a charm!

Neil


>From: POKEMONOJEFF <pokemonoman at mac.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????
>Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:05:19 -0400
>
>I HAVE A SONY WITH DOLBY S THAT I GOT FOR $5.00 AT THE OODWILL. IT
WORKS
>PERFECTLY, BUT I JUST CAN'T WARM UP TO ANY DOLBY. PRFOPERLY CALIBRATED
OLR
>NOT. IT IS A "FILTER" AND I HATE ALL FILTERING.
>
>I'D ABSOLUTELY POSOITIVELY RATHER HEAR THE TAPE HISS ANY DAY.
>
>BY THE WAY, I DID ABSOLUTLE DID COIN THIS EXPRESSION YEARS AGO:
>
>"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN....."
>
>PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..." EXPRESSION COPYWRITE OWNER
>
>
>on 10/1/04 4:04 PM, Stan Targowski at stan.targowski at comcast.net
wrote:
>
> > Well, TD4600 is a 2-head Dolby S unit. Nothing impressive, not
close to
> > CD-491 they used to make. The TD-4800 was a three head model. But
again,
> > this is not even close to BX300.
> >
> > Stan
>
>I HAVE A SONY WITH DOLBY S THAT I GOT FOR $5.00 AT THE OODWILL. IT
WORKS
>PERFECTLY, BUT I JUST CAN'T WARM UP TO ANY DOLBY. PRFOPERLY CALIBRATED
OLR
>NOT. IT IS A "FILTER" AND I HATE ALL FILTERING.
>
>I'D ABSOLUTELY POSOITIVELY RATHER HEAR THE TAPE HISS ANY DAY.
>
>BY THE WAY, I DID ABSOLUTLE DID COIN THIS EXPRESSION YEARS AGO:
>
>"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN....."
>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Oct  4 11:13:37 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:13:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <s1613068.044@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Well said George!!

I've been wondering where you were!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com> 10/02/04 03:39PM >>>
Guys, 

I hate stepping into the eternal digital vs. analog debacle, but I
can't help myself on this one.

IMHO, the first major issue of importance is the quality of the
recording/mastering/production process, both for vinyl and CD. No one
can convince me that a bad vinyl pressing of a crappy recording will
by definition sound better than the CD. That has always been my main
"bone of content" when going into LP vs CD comparisons - I have a
close friend with whom we have a sort of challenge - he's gone for
top-end vinyl (Michell Orbe with all bells and whistles/SME V/ VdH
Colibri/Tom Evans "The Groove") with solid state amplification (top
YBA), I've gone top-end CD (EMM Labs transport plus DAC) with
tube/valve amplification (custom-built passive preamp plus various
monoblocs, incl. Conrad-Johnson, BAT, etc.). How can you compare a
200g MFSL or other audiophile LP pressing to a run-of-the-mill CD ?
Depending on choice of material AND data carrier we have been able to
make strong cases both for vinyl and for CD - an XRCD of Victor
Feldman through my system completely blew away a normal vinyl pressing
of same album on my friend's system and vice versa in other instances.
I have to agree that the quality of most CDs is inferior, presumably
because at time of recording/production everyone thought "digital is
so good we don't need to pay much attention to the process" - but I
cannot agree to generalise that conclusion for absolutely each and
every case. I've long given up on theoretical disputes about formats,
I now rely solely on my senses - if I like the way it sounds, it's
good, regardless whether it's CD, LP, SACD, WAV from my Creative
Jukebox, etc. (well I can't really accept MP3 or AAC, or whatever
other compressed crap is available, but that's just me).

As always, what matters in the end is enjoying the music, the rest is
just a nice way to pass the time in friendly disputes with fellow
'natics.

Enjoy the weekend and the music !

George
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300, Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt>
wrote:
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to
sound close
> to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player)
sounds and
> how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players. Even
good,
> from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much
closer to
> real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many
opportunities
> to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.
> 
> Have a great weekend!
> 
> Tadas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last
Naim
> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i remember
well
> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a
"Completely
> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided
after!!!!
> 
> Happy listening...!
> 
> ALEX!
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 16:41:07 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:41:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
In-Reply-To: <4160D147.2030409@leckband.com>
Message-ID: <20041004144107.12835.qmail@web40421.mail.yahoo.com>

Go to my web page
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html

and scroll down to Nakamichi CR-7A Equalization

Scott J.

--- Craig Leckband <craig at leckband.com> wrote:

> Greetings again.  I will keep each message short, but I have
> several 
> things to report or ask about. 
> 
> First off, thank you all for your responses on my initial inquiry
> last 
> month.  All of them were very thoughtful. 
> 
> Perhaps against my better judgment I decided to buy a CR-7 that has
> a 
> blown power supply.  I will replace that in the next while, but my
> first 
> real question is in regards to its serial number.  I have a CR-7
> that 
> was built in the third quarter of 85, which places it in the
> category of 
> the 'record equalizaiton problem' and the idler problem. 
> 
> I did decide to buy several idlers from MCM so that is my solution
> to 
> the idler failure issue.  Eventually I may buy a CR-1 and place its
> gear 
> drive into my CR-7. 
> 
> The issue that I don't understand is the other issue with early
> CR-7's.  
> It has been mentioned in the last year of the archives as the
> 'record 
> calibration' issue.  I gather that the first circuit boards were 
> mis-designed such that the record amp attenuated some of the high 
> frequencies. 
> 
> I gather that there is a fix for this, but I was not able to track
> it 
> down in the archives.  As I said, I have read back a full year, and
> the 
> details of the fix were not there.  I wonder if someone would mind 
> repeating the fix for me.  Thank you in advance. 
> 
> Also, is this something that can be repaired if I am only
> moderately 
> handy with a soldering iron?
> 
> Craig
> 
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Oct  1 23:50:20 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:50:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFGEIDCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001092324.01e12390@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001174917.01d15e20@psulias.psu.edu>

If it's cheaply made then there is no way it touches any Nak.  I don't know 
the specifics on this deck, but HK did at some point make good decks.

At 03:04 PM 10/1/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, TD4600 is a 2-head Dolby S unit. Nothing impressive, not close to
>CD-491 they used to make. The TD-4800 was a three head model. But again,
>this is not even close to BX300.
>
>Stan



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Sat Oct  2 00:00:25 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:00:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <000901c4a81b$8475ea00$6b773242@CopyTech>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001092324.01e12390@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001180006.01dc85c0@psulias.psu.edu>

Dolby S works very nicely with Dolby B decoding.

At 06:02 PM 10/1/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Plus the Dolby S is more forgiving for those who like to playback without
>decoding, like the dolby b. Dolby S was an attempt to emulate the venerable
>pro version of Dolby SR (spectral recording).
>
>Anyway, I'll choose a Dragon over any HK at anytime.
>
>
>
>Carlos



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Oct  1 23:59:28 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:59:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <20041001200823.6320E17CF7@smtp.amb.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001092324.01e12390@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041001175501.01e1dc50@psulias.psu.edu>

Oh, absolutely.  Like I said, it may spec out near or at the Dragons level, 
but specs are far from everything.  I'm about ready to purchase a Dragon, 
as I've started scarfing up lots of used cassettes (nice and cheap) and 
presently have a Yamaha KX690, Dolby S, HX Pro, Auto Tape Tuning, 3 head, 3 
motor double cap, etc, etc.  Probably the last of the really well made 
decks (mid-1990s I think).  Then I'll be able to compare a Dragon vs some 
top competition with the "new fangled" bells and whistles.  The Yamaha does 
outclass my CR-2 by quite a bit, but that is certainly not one of the 
finest Naks ever made.

At 01:08 PM 10/1/2004 -0700, Ti Kan wrote:
>Derrick Beckner writes:
> > Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings,
> > technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were
> > considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby S can get up
> > to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81 or so with
> > Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic range.
>
>But it's missing the all-important defining feature of the Dragon: NAAC.
>
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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  4 18:00:49 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:00:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
References: <BD833342.6C63%pokemonoman@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <000901c4aa2b$59230740$05ce8351@oemcomputer>

Spot on,   Carlos

I do find the the continuous use of CAPS annoying don't you!

Regards

Terry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????


> Jeff, I'm sorry but perhaps you are missing the point here. We are talking
> about cassette decks, not mastering machines. I have an Studer A-80 1/2"
15
> & 30 ips for certain pro applications. I don't really think anybody is
dumb
> enough to record domestic recordings on such a machine where a reel cost
> over $50.00 and gives you 1/2 hour at 30 ips. Plus, who wants an "stove"
in
> a living room ? I do have a Technics 1700 for my home use and I found it
> better than my former Studer/Revox B 77 & PR 99. But again, those are open
> reel decks; not cassettes'.
>
> Dolby & auto azymuth is completely irelevant for open reel decks depending
> on the speed and the tape you are recording, but, I'm afraid that for
> cassette applications is completely imperative if you want to obtain
certain
> quality. You'll be surprised if I tell you that some restorations & new CD
> re-issues has been "rescued" from safety copies made on cassettes ... yes,
> many times my friend ...
>
> So, a "great recording machine" are those who fulfill your expectations
and
> quality no matter what the media is: CD, Cassette, Reel, DAT or MD. It all
> depends on the applications and your very personal taste.
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "POKEMONOJEFF" <pokemonoman at mac.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????
>
>
> > on 10/1/04 4:08 PM, Ti Kan at ti at amb.org wrote:
> >
> > > Derrick Beckner writes:
> > >> Hard to tell, but with HX Pro and Dolby S it may make recordings,
> > >> technically on par with a dragon.  HK did make some decks that were
> > >> considered just below the Naks and Revoxs in the 80s.  Dolby S can
get
> up
> > >> to a 85+ S/N ratio on some decks, (I think the dragon was 81 or so
with
> > >> Dolby C) and theoretically HX Pro should give it a better dynamic
> range.
> > >
> > > But it's missing the all-important defining feature of the Dragon:
NAAC.
> > >
> > > -Ti
> >
> >
> > DOLBY S IS CUTE AND SO ARE THE OUSTANDING FEATURES OF THE DRAGON. NONE
OF
> > THIS STUFF IS ABSOLUYTELY NECESSARY.
> > IF YOU NEED A GREAT RECORDING MACHINE, BUY A STUDER REEL TO REEL OR A
> > STELLOVOX REEL TO REEL PERIOD.
> >
> > PMJ
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Oct  5 01:37:31 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:37:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
References: <BD833342.6C63%pokemonoman@mac.com><004c01c4a81e$01050d10$6b773242@CopyTech>
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Message-ID: <000f01c4aa6b$20a19720$71773242@CopyTech>

It always seems to me like "screaming at you", don't you think so, Terry ?
Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terence Finn" <Tpfinn at btinternet.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????


> Spot on,   Carlos
>
> I do find the the continuous use of CAPS annoying don't you!
>
> Regards
>
> Terry
>


From ti at amb.org  Mon Oct  4 22:53:27 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4aa6b$20a19720$71773242@CopyTech> from "El Magnifico" at
	Oct 04, 2004 04:37:31 PM
Message-ID: <20041004205327.8D260D5CC@smtp.amb.org>

El Magnifico writes:
> It always seems to me like "screaming at you", don't you think so, Terry ?
> Ha !
>
> From: "Terence Finn" <Tpfinn at btinternet.com>
> > I do find the the continuous use of CAPS annoying don't you!

Heh.  I sent a private email politely asking him to undo his CAPS key
but instead I received a facefull of mud slung back at me.  Not only
that he committed another netiquette no-no by forwarding my private
email to the list.

-Ti



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Oct  4 22:45:04 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:45:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
In-Reply-To: <20041004144107.12835.qmail@web40421.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <4160D147.2030409@leckband.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041004164403.00b8e2b8@psulias.psu.edu>

Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording 
with you Nak decks?
Why or why not?



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct  4 23:13:32 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:13:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II
In-Reply-To: <s15a90ea.037@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000001c4aa57$01175700$06b087d9@oemcomputer>

I got my 2 CDs today, thanks Carlos.  Playing the first, I was immediately
bowled over by the sound quality of the first track on CD 1.   Like I was
listening to a live radio broadcast on Radio 3!!  Excellent.  Unfortunately,
the pleasure was marred at around track 11 when skipping began and
thereafter, I couldn't get a whole track to play right though, and some of
the tracks nearest the end wouldn't play at all.  On CD2 I got the same
problem starting on track 8.  Sensitive little soul, my Rega Jupiter II !!

Gra'

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From menelaos at stls.verio.net  Tue Oct  5 00:13:08 2004
From: menelaos at stls.verio.net (Menelaos Karamichalis)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:13:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4aa6b$20a19720$71773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10410041702491.11896-100000@admin.starnet.net>

OK, I actually found the official guideline to this:

Below, I quote the relevant portion from RFC 1855.  Long-time Internet
folk will recorgnize this as one of the memos the Internet Engineering
Task Force has been assembling over a long time.  IETF, of course. being
the assembly of folks "concerned with the evolution of the Internet
architecture and the smooth operation of the Internet."

Under section 2.1.1:

"- Use mixed case.  UPPER CASE LOOKS AS IF YOU'RE SHOUTING."

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt?number=1855 or
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html if in doubt.

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, El Magnifico wrote:

> It always seems to me like "screaming at you", don't you think so, Terry ?
> Ha !
> 
> Carlos

>> I do find the the continuous use of CAPS annoying don't you!




From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  5 00:21:06 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:21:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <BAY2-F7PdLFYxc9NUpu000039d8@hotmail.com>

FYI:

This past Sunday my cousin payed me a visit......he brought over a Sony 
Metal Super Tape that many years ago I recorded a Mobile Fidelity UHQR of 
Sgt. Pepper onto....candidly I forgot about that I mean it was like 20 years 
ago.........anyway back in the 505 it went and we just were amazed at the 
sound that emerged from my speakers!!!!  That UHQR was a virgin.....we 
"deflowered" the album all those years ago.......WOW.......is all I can 
say!!

Neil

>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:25:15 +0200
>
>This true Gra'
>
>Neil, if you doubt that cassette can be used as a quality master,
>consider, amongst many other instances which I can dig up, that a
>concert by Roxette in Santiago, Chile was recorded sequentially on a
>pair of back-up Dragons when their DAT decks (2 Panasonic machines) were
>inacapacitated  due to faulty power delivery.  The resulting recording
>is equisitely clean, clear and atmospheric with frightening dynamics.
>The sounds of the huge crowd singing along draws you into the
>performance and the mixing job is also amongst the best I've heard.  As
>Graham says, the software is important - it was (unsurprisingly) Sony
>Metal-ES.
>
>How it all sounds on the LP or CD in the end, depends much more on the
>recording engineers being thorough and careful at the venue with the
>basics, and not so much with the final medium.
>
>As a matter of fact, poor microphones(even poorly maintained mikes),
>running signal cables nonchalantly across power amps and the such have
>greater potential for critical sound degradation.
>
>Cheers all,
>
>Marc
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 10/01/04 10:29PM >>>
>POKEMONOJEFF said:  "IF YOU WWERE GOING TO MAKE A CASSETTE "MASTER"
>(A
>LAUGHABLE PROPOSDITION IN MY OPINION...) "
>
>Then you have probably never heard the classic "The Texas Campfire
>Tapes"
>vinyl LP by Michelle Shocked, which was mastered onto a humble
>cassette
>loaded on a Sony Walkman, recorded in the open air by a campfire!
>Also, one
>of our members (I shan't embarrass him by saying who) made a live
>recording
>of an orchestra on a Nak' deck and made me a copy of it - I can
>honestly say
>it is one of the finest quality recordings that I have on cassette, CD
>or
>vinyl.  IMHO, the BEST of the cassette decks, with the right quality
>software, were/are capable of mastering fine quality recordings, and
>certainly better than CD/R, DVD/R or even most HD recording machines,
>save
>perhaps for some of the pro' gear .... but there again ... I have heard
>some
>recordings done entirely in the digital domain, so that (allegedly)
>"nothing
>is lost from the original" which sound crushed and lifeless, and
>lacking
>tonal colour.
>
>I sometimes think that recording is a bit like photography.  A really
>good
>photographer doesn't need to spend mega bucks on a fancy professional
>Nikon
>with a hundred frames of film and a motor drive; s/he can take an
>amazing
>picture with a box Brownie camera in one shot.
>
>Gra'
>
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  5 01:21:54 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:21:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <s1612fc4.007@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <20041004232154.89205.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com>

After listening to 78 records with all the scratches since young, recently I was thrilled to try those scratch removing restoration software. The software really cleaned up the 78s wonderfully, though it took some of the transparency and air of treble away also. The main point was that halfway into the first song I tried, I decided to listen the 78s WITH the scratches. After all these years, the song without the scratches didnt sound right!
 
BG


Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za> wrote:
That's very true Neil,

In fact, for a modern version: home theatre is very impressive with all
the crash and thunder and tinkle of cartridge case scattering along the
floor, but once you are really into the story, you barely notice these
things!! Might as well just be watching television......

Marc

>>> neillipes628 at hotmail.com 10/02/04 04:54AM >>>
Stan:

Many years ago a close friend gave me the greatest hint to listening to
Lps 
and 78s that had surface noise or cracking transients........pretend
you are 
in front of a fireplace listening to your favourite piece of
music......the 
brain will tune out the nasties to allow you to enjoy the real reason
for 
listening in the first place........works like a charm!

Neil


>From: POKEMONOJEFF 

>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????
>Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:05:19 -0400
>
>I HAVE A SONY WITH DOLBY S THAT I GOT FOR $5.00 AT THE OODWILL. IT
WORKS
>PERFECTLY, BUT I JUST CAN'T WARM UP TO ANY DOLBY. PRFOPERLY CALIBRATED
OLR
>NOT. IT IS A "FILTER" AND I HATE ALL FILTERING.
>
>I'D ABSOLUTELY POSOITIVELY RATHER HEAR THE TAPE HISS ANY DAY.
>
>BY THE WAY, I DID ABSOLUTLE DID COIN THIS EXPRESSION YEARS AGO:
>
>"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN....."
>
>PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..." EXPRESSION COPYWRITE OWNER
>
>
>on 10/1/04 4:04 PM, Stan Targowski at stan.targowski at comcast.net
wrote:
>
> > Well, TD4600 is a 2-head Dolby S unit. Nothing impressive, not
close to
> > CD-491 they used to make. The TD-4800 was a three head model. But
again,
> > this is not even close to BX300.
> >
> > Stan
>
>I HAVE A SONY WITH DOLBY S THAT I GOT FOR $5.00 AT THE OODWILL. IT
WORKS
>PERFECTLY, BUT I JUST CAN'T WARM UP TO ANY DOLBY. PRFOPERLY CALIBRATED
OLR
>NOT. IT IS A "FILTER" AND I HATE ALL FILTERING.
>
>I'D ABSOLUTELY POSOITIVELY RATHER HEAR THE TAPE HISS ANY DAY.
>
>BY THE WAY, I DID ABSOLUTLE DID COIN THIS EXPRESSION YEARS AGO:
>
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>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  5 10:14:08 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:14:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
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Hi Derrick,

My name is Alex from Israel, with my gifted Dragon machine, I DO NOT use any 
Noise Reduction at all!
As mainly my recorded cassettes is for been listen with my car radio/tape 
unit, NO Dolby at all sound better there!

Cheers,

ALEX!
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:45 PM
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> Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording 
> with you Nak decks?
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Oct  5 11:27:14 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:27:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <s1628525.094@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Neil,

That's a great experience!!  They have such a powerful tonality and of
course a -505, well this is a simply superb deck.  You know,  about two
years ago, I was an observer/participant in an experiment involving a
Mobile Fidelity LP, also a Beatles album (Abbey Road) wherein I listened
side by side with the exact same album on CD (a Marantz CD 17 KISig (we
operated the remote for the pre-amp from the end of the room (lights
off) and listened very carefully.  The volume levels were identical. 
What took a bit of time was the timing of the replays of the turntable
and the CD player to be precisely simultaneous.  

After a few minutes, we got it right.  It was very tricky to tell the
two apart for the first two minutes or so, to be honest.  But suddenly
it came to me - (I had lost track by this time of which was which as
Neil Painter (the system owner) switched between one source and the
other.  But it suddenly came to me that with the one source, the music
sprung out into the middle of the room, with a weird solidity of image,
particulalry the vocal image, whereas the other, the image flattened,
shooting back instantly against the back of the room.  Time and again,
this happened.  

The other thing, was what I can only describe as the micro-dynamics -
the source with the massive, room filling image, also had easily
detectable variations of loudness and softness amongst the myriad
components of the sound, whereas the other, the dynamics of all the
instruments and voice rose or fell uniformly in line with each other. 
The difference was extraordinary and utterly obvious after about three
minutes.  This discovery put a stupid grin on my face as if I had
discovered something new.  Of course, I hadn't, after all.  

Barely necessary to state though, the one which had delivered this
powerfully projected image, with an infinitely more complex variability
of dynamics within the music was the record - derived from the original
EMI master tapes.

The next part of this exercise (not new however to my host) was a
recording (from the Abbey Road vinyl) that he performed right on the
spot with his Nakamichi CR7E using his favourite Super-Metal - a TDK
MA-XG (SSMMs are very hard to find here).   The volumes were matched and
the replays cued up exactly.  The recording was done with Dolby B. 
Again, the lights were out and I was not told which was which.  It would
not have mattered, because this time, I could not tell the two sources
apart.  There was no variation between them.  The solid, palpable image
of the record was replicated precisely with the cassette.  The were no
tell-tale variations with dynamics, sibilance, leading edge smudging,
nothing.  Just perfectly identical.

Incidently, Neil Painter has since upgraded to a (second hand) Theta CD
player - but assures me that the outcome in terms of the above
experiences are unchanged.

By the way, I had a good laugh at the term "deflowered"!!  Too good!!

Go well,

Marc



>>> neillipes628 at hotmail.com 10/05/04 12:21AM >>>
FYI:

This past Sunday my cousin payed me a visit......he brought over a Sony

Metal Super Tape that many years ago I recorded a Mobile Fidelity UHQR
of 
Sgt. Pepper onto....candidly I forgot about that I mean it was like 20
years 
ago.........anyway back in the 505 it went and we just were amazed at
the 
sound that emerged from my speakers!!!!  That UHQR was a virgin.....we

"deflowered" the album all those years ago.......WOW.......is all I can

say!!

Neil

>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:25:15 +0200
>
>This true Gra'
>
>Neil, if you doubt that cassette can be used as a quality master,
>consider, amongst many other instances which I can dig up, that a
>concert by Roxette in Santiago, Chile was recorded sequentially on a
>pair of back-up Dragons when their DAT decks (2 Panasonic machines)
were
>inacapacitated  due to faulty power delivery.  The resulting
recording
>is equisitely clean, clear and atmospheric with frightening dynamics.
>The sounds of the huge crowd singing along draws you into the
>performance and the mixing job is also amongst the best I've heard. 
As
>Graham says, the software is important - it was (unsurprisingly) Sony
>Metal-ES.
>
>How it all sounds on the LP or CD in the end, depends much more on
the
>recording engineers being thorough and careful at the venue with the
>basics, and not so much with the final medium.
>
>As a matter of fact, poor microphones(even poorly maintained mikes),
>running signal cables nonchalantly across power amps and the such
have
>greater potential for critical sound degradation.
>
>Cheers all,
>
>Marc
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 10/01/04 10:29PM >>>
>POKEMONOJEFF said:  "IF YOU WWERE GOING TO MAKE A CASSETTE "MASTER"
>(A
>LAUGHABLE PROPOSDITION IN MY OPINION...) "
>
>Then you have probably never heard the classic "The Texas Campfire
>Tapes"
>vinyl LP by Michelle Shocked, which was mastered onto a humble
>cassette
>loaded on a Sony Walkman, recorded in the open air by a campfire!
>Also, one
>of our members (I shan't embarrass him by saying who) made a live
>recording
>of an orchestra on a Nak' deck and made me a copy of it - I can
>honestly say
>it is one of the finest quality recordings that I have on cassette,
CD
>or
>vinyl.  IMHO, the BEST of the cassette decks, with the right quality
>software, were/are capable of mastering fine quality recordings, and
>certainly better than CD/R, DVD/R or even most HD recording machines,
>save
>perhaps for some of the pro' gear .... but there again ... I have
heard
>some
>recordings done entirely in the digital domain, so that (allegedly)
>"nothing
>is lost from the original" which sound crushed and lifeless, and
>lacking
>tonal colour.
>
>I sometimes think that recording is a bit like photography.  A really
>good
>photographer doesn't need to spend mega bucks on a fancy professional
>Nikon
>with a hundred frames of film and a motor drive; s/he can take an
>amazing
>picture with a box Brownie camera in one shot.
>
>Gra'
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Oct  5 15:36:25 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 06:36:25 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
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I have always used some kind of dolby. Dolby B is my actual favorite (I
seldom record on cassettes anymore) because I like to play it back without
decoding. That gives me some extra "air" on the highs. Most of my recordings
on the Revox B 215 (circa 90's) were done with Dolby C, but that represents
a problem now that both of my Revox are retired.

Carlos

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From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] How do you record?


> Hi Derrick,
>
> My name is Alex from Israel, with my gifted Dragon machine, I DO NOT use
any
> Noise Reduction at all!
> As mainly my recorded cassettes is for been listen with my car radio/tape
> unit, NO Dolby at all sound better there!
>
> Cheers,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:45 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
>
>
> > Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording
> > with you Nak decks?
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Oct  5 12:35:56 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:35:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
Message-ID: <s1629682.002@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Howdy,

This is a big question!!  I use Dolby C if given the choice with
Nakamichi decks - they have the absolute best Dolby encode/decode chips
and there are no replay losses as a consequences of using them.  The
main complaint is that Dolby circuits rob the music of that enth degree
of sparkle and high frequency definition.  This is not always the case
and almost never with Nakamichi (literally never would be my personal
experience).

For me, it depends to an extent on what I will be using the tape for. 
I have non-Nak decks too, 4 of which are Dolby S equipped.  My Tascam
112 series 1 (my listening room workhorse) has a well implemented Dolby
C, and this works very well with certain tape types (eg JVC AF-II and
Sony UX).  Just last night I did some test recordings with non-Dolby on
UDI on a Pioneer CT-S640S.  The recording was one of the Tina Arena
songs from the Notre Dame de Paris album.  The results are just
fantastic.

You have a Yamaha KX-690 so I'm pretty sure (based on my experience
with the KX-580SE and the KX-393) that will produce very fine results
with BASF's two premium type IIs, the CMII and the TPII while using
Dolby C.  I have found Dolby B works surprisingly well with my Dad's
-393 on TDKs entry level ferric "B".  The 580SE produces amazing results
with Dolby S on all type Is.  Especially premium type Is like AD and
UDI.

The one benefit about not using Dolby is that you can play it anywhere
and also never have to remember what the encoding was or write it down. 
I am quite methodical about j-carding so, this is not too much of an
issue.  However, I do like to have replay flexibility which means I use
Dolby S less than I'd like to.

The first time I used Dolby C on a Nak made me realise why they never
bothered with Dolby S.  Even their Dolby B is solid as a rock.  And of
course, more compatible with other decks if you're doing a recording for
a friend with a non-Nak deck.  Dolby S is also highly compatible from
deck to deck.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 10/04/04 10:45PM >>>
Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording

with you Nak decks?
Why or why not?

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From BADANTH at aol.com  Tue Oct  5 12:06:57 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 06:06:57 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II
Message-ID: <92.1688eccc.2e93cc41@aol.com>

RE: Jupiter II - Warning Will Robinson, you are not alone in the skipping 
dept., that does not compute and we are all lost in space on this one...

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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue Oct  5 13:52:01 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:52:01 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
References: <4160D147.2030409@leckband.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20041004164403.00b8e2b8@psulias.psu.edu>
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I prefer Dolby B while recording poor quality / old tapes only.
For the rest never use any Dolby as I prefer flat tones.
Also have never used Dolby C, as it should be played back with dolby C again
(otherwise alot drop of frequency)
In other words, Dolby C dramatically improves frequency range but not only
during recording but also while playing back it on Dolby C..
It is not the same for Dolby B, which actually improves the frequency
whether or not playing back it on Dolby B, or even Dolby C!!!.

Happy Nakking...
Tayfur

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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:45 PM
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> Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording
> with you Nak decks?
> Why or why not?
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Tue Oct  5 12:08:03 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 06:08:03 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Oct  5 21:09:24 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:09:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A or Dragon or ??
Message-ID: <20041005190925.EVVP15782.lakermmtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Sadly, for those of you who remember my plight with my CR-7A and the tape wrapping around the pinch roller, I was never able to straighten it out and play reliably.  Odd part is that I had three Navtalk members either ask me questions after it was on eBay and one of the three won the bid.

Okay, so now I have some money in pocket but not enough to get another one at today's prices.


Without getting into the CR-7A vs. Dragon debate, if you had to own ONE, which would it be?  I can tell you when my CR-7A was operating just dandy before the tape wrap, I was completely astounded.

I also had a questioner tell me that no matter which one I buy on the used market, it would be a good idea to send it out for calibration.

Liberman Sound told me they could do a calibration from between $100-$200 for a CR-7A and a rebuild for $485.

Looking for a recommendation for either deck and whether I should send it out for service right away.

Or should a Revox B215 figure into the picture of a Tandberg 3014A model.

Thoughts?

Roland

Roland



From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct  5 21:25:55 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:25:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct  5 21:47:45 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:47:45 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041004164403.00b8e2b8@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <000401c4ab14$2f829880$67824c51@oemcomputer>

Personally, I generally use Dolby C, which I feel interferes LESS with the
reproduction of the music.

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> Sent: 04 October 2004 21:45
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> Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording
> with you Nak decks?
> Why or why not?
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Oct  6 00:51:04 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:51:04 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6D3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi everyone. I received my Marathon cdII and all I can say is - CARLOS
you're the man! What a fantastic production! Gra' you are going hate what I
have to say next, I played the 2 CD's last night on my cheap Sony CD player
(can't remember the model) and not a problem, sorry for the info.

	Tom.

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Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 7:14
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II


I got my 2 CDs today, thanks Carlos.  Playing the first, I was immediately
bowled over by the sound quality of the first track on CD 1.   Like I was
listening to a live radio broadcast on Radio 3!!  Excellent.  Unfortunately,
the pleasure was marred at around track 11 when skipping began and
thereafter, I couldn't get a whole track to play right though, and some of
the tracks nearest the end wouldn't play at all.  On CD2 I got the same
problem starting on track 8.  Sensitive little soul, my Rega Jupiter II !!

Gra'

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Oct  5 22:57:37 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:57:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II
References: <000001c4aa57$01175700$06b087d9@oemcomputer>
	<4162F543.8070300@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <005b01c4ab1d$f2902230$3ab70642@john1patlmckrl>

www.exactaudiocopy.de is free and copies cd's very accurately. Highly recommended.

John T.
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  From: Michael Moore 
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  Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II


  Possible solution:
  I had the skipping problem also in the same area (playing on a Shanling SCD-T200),
  and solved it by making a bit for bit copy on the computer and burning another
  copy onto a blank CD-R (one copy at 24X, one copy at 48X, both on generic CD-Rs,
  no labels), and both copies play all tracks beautifully.
  Atlanta Mike


  Nelson wrote:

I got my 2 CDs today, thanks Carlos.  Playing the first, I was immediately
bowled over by the sound quality of the first track on CD 1.   Like I was
listening to a live radio broadcast on Radio 3!!  Excellent.  Unfortunately,
the pleasure was marred at around track 11 when skipping began and
thereafter, I couldn't get a whole track to play right though, and some of
the tracks nearest the end wouldn't play at all.  On CD2 I got the same
problem starting on track 8.  Sensitive little soul, my Rega Jupiter II !!

Gra'

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From flifton at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 01:28:52 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:28:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] dolby
Message-ID: <517C2B2A-1726-11D9-A369-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
I asked this a while ago but got no response, maybe no one saw (or 
maybe it's too dumb of a question!), but can someone explain to me what 
Dolby NR does? How is it supposed to work? What's the concept behind 
it?

I often find knowing how something works helps me use it better and I 
would love to make the better recordings I know my Nak is capable of.

thanks,
Fred Lifton



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 03:27:34 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:27:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <002601c4a814$a5e86660$0bdb4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BD88C246.6E0B%pokemonoman@mac.com>

I FIGURED IT WAS THAT PLAYBACK CORRECTION SYSTEM. YES, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A
GREAT FEATURE FOR SURE.

PMJ



on 10/1/04 8:13 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

The auto azimuth, the NAAC (Nakamichi Auto Azimuth Correction) adjust the
azimuth during replay right through the length of the tape.  So, whatever
machine your cassette was originally recorded on, and whatever type of
cassette, the Dragon plays it back spot on.  Only the Dragon has azi'
correction of this kind.  The CR7 and some other Nak's do have replay azi'
correction but it's manual, not automatic.  I believe (correct me if I'm
wrong) the 679 ZX is like my ZX9 - it only has azimuth adjustment for
RECORD, not playback.
 
One thing, however - I'm not sure how well a Dragon will cope with a
cassette shell that sets the tape slightly wrong when it's put into a
cassette machine for recording.  The machine may have its azimuth perfectly
set, but unless it's a ZX7 or ZX9, or similar, and capable of setting the
azimuth correctly within the machine for recording onto the cassette tape,
presumably, the Dragon's NAAC would not be able to compensate for the
"error".  This might be a problem, for example, if a typical new European
TDK SA tape were recorded on a BX1.  Some of the guys have noticed like me
that the shells are badly made and one has to re-adjust the azi' for
recording when you turn the tape over to record on the B side.  Now, one of
those tapes made on my ZX9 ought to be readable by a Dragon.  But a BX1
would record the tape with "incorrect" azimuth, such that it would perhaps
only best be replayed on the machine that recorded it ... (Although, I'd bet
my Pioneer 830S would probably cope with it well enough but by use of its
FLEX circuit!!)
 
Gra'
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POKEMONOJEFF
Sent: 01 October 2004 22:02
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS

AGAIN, GREAT ANSWERS.  CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE AUTI AZIMUTYH IS
"BETTER" ON THE DRAGON THAN MY LOWLY NAK 670 ZX?

IS IT BECAUSE MINE IS FOR RECORD ONLY?

LET ME KNOW AND THANX!!

PMJ

on 10/1/04 4:07 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

sophisticated ICs, plus spares are not getting easier to find!   However,
the thing that makes the Dragon particularly special is the auto azi'
adjustment, which, combined with its otherwise superb sonic qualities, make
it probably the finest cassette REPLAY machine ever produced.  And it does
rather well recording, too.  But, arguably, there are others that can record
better than the Dragon.  E.g. CR7, ReVox B215, Tandberg 3014.

Gra'

AGAIN, GREAT ANSWERS.  CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE AUTI AZIMUTYH IS
"BETTER" ON THE DRAGON THAN MY LOWLY NAK 670 ZX?

IS IT BECAUSE MINE IS FOR RECORD ONLY?

LET ME KNOW AND THANX!!

PMJ



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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 03:32:43 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:32:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV12WGxegIqu0000637d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD88C37B.6E0D%pokemonoman@mac.com>

SORRY TO BUTT IN HERE...
I LIKE IT ALL...

I LIKE TAPE HISS, I LIKE TUBE DISTORTION AND I LIKE AUDIOPHILE.
I ALSO LIKE LOW-FI REPRODUCTION.
I DO NOT LIKE TOO MUCH RESOLUTION A LA INFINITY BETAS, ETC...
ALL I CAN HEAR IS THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SOURCE AND FATIGUEING DISTORTION.

SOMETIMES LOW FI IS THE LEAST FATIGUEING LISTWNING THERE IS BECAUSE THE
HUMAN BRAIN AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS FOR THE FORMAT.

BJUT YES, I LIKE IT ALL

THANX ION ADVANCE,

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..."



on 10/1/04 7:42 PM, Alex Cozac at alexcozac at hotmail.com wrote:

> system. The "Only" NOT Naim's gear is his turntable and ProAc 3.8 speakers.
> Really only in his home and with his very expensive & superlative equipment
> I enjoy "Solid State"....set!!!
> 
> Be well!
> 
> ALEX!

SORRY TO BUTT IN HERE...
I LIKE IT ALL...

I LIKE TAPE HISS, I LIKE TUBE DISTORTION AND I LIKE AUDIOPHILE.
I ALSO LIKE LOW-FI REPRODUCTION.
I DO NOT LIKE TOO MUCH RESOLUTION A LA INFINITY BETAS, ETC...
ALL I CAN HEAR IS THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SOURCE AND FATIGUEING DISTORTION.

SOMETIMES LOW FI IS THE LEAST FATIGUEING LISTWNING THERE IS BECAUSE THE
HUMAN BRAIN AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS FOR THE FORMAT.

BJUT YES, I LIKE IT ALL

THANX ION ADVANCE,

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..."



From paulkoo at comcast.net  Wed Oct  6 07:37:31 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 05:37:31 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
Message-ID: <100620040537.26604.4163849A000C8E13000067EC2200734830010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

Dolby C.  Better S/N ratio.  Same frequency response.

Paul

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> Personally, I generally use Dolby C, which I feel interferes LESS with the 
> reproduction of the music. 
> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
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> > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner 
> > Sent: 04 October 2004 21:45 
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
> > Subject: [naktalk] How do you record? 
> > 
> > 
> > Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording 
> > with you Nak decks? 
> > Why or why not? 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Oct  6 08:55:17 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:55:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] dolby
Message-ID: <s163b307.010@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Howzit Fred,

Actually it's very far from a dumb question, but the best approach is a
thorough answer which I probably have in data format at home and will
send through tomorrow.

It should include Dolby A, B, C, and S; as well as commentary on dbx,
HX-PRO, Spectral NR (SR) and NAD's system which was short-lived and
somewhat hair-brained.

Till tomorrow,

Marc

>>> flifton at mac.com 10/06/04 01:28AM >>>
Hi all,
I asked this a while ago but got no response, maybe no one saw (or 
maybe it's too dumb of a question!), but can someone explain to me what

Dolby NR does? How is it supposed to work? What's the concept behind 
it?

I often find knowing how something works helps me use it better and I 
would love to make the better recordings I know my Nak is capable of.

thanks,
Fred Lifton

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  6 08:18:30 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:18:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <BD88C37B.6E0D%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV81bzuDwP6S0000b7e7@hotmail.com>

Dear PMJ!!!

Our Lord will bless you for Ever!!!! Crazy man like you that like 
"ALL"...it's very rare!!!!!

Be well!!!

ALEX!
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> SORRY TO BUTT IN HERE...
> I LIKE IT ALL...
>
> I LIKE TAPE HISS, I LIKE TUBE DISTORTION AND I LIKE AUDIOPHILE.
> I ALSO LIKE LOW-FI REPRODUCTION.
> I DO NOT LIKE TOO MUCH RESOLUTION A LA INFINITY BETAS, ETC...
> ALL I CAN HEAR IS THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SOURCE AND FATIGUEING DISTORTION.
>
> SOMETIMES LOW FI IS THE LEAST FATIGUEING LISTWNING THERE IS BECAUSE THE
> HUMAN BRAIN AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS FOR THE FORMAT.
>
> BJUT YES, I LIKE IT ALL
>
> THANX ION ADVANCE,
>
> PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..."
>
>
>
> on 10/1/04 7:42 PM, Alex Cozac at alexcozac at hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> system. The "Only" NOT Naim's gear is his turntable and ProAc 3.8 
>> speakers.
>> Really only in his home and with his very expensive & superlative 
>> equipment
>> I enjoy "Solid State"....set!!!
>>
>> Be well!
>>
>> ALEX!
>
> SORRY TO BUTT IN HERE...
> I LIKE IT ALL...
>
> I LIKE TAPE HISS, I LIKE TUBE DISTORTION AND I LIKE AUDIOPHILE.
> I ALSO LIKE LOW-FI REPRODUCTION.
> I DO NOT LIKE TOO MUCH RESOLUTION A LA INFINITY BETAS, ETC...
> ALL I CAN HEAR IS THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SOURCE AND FATIGUEING DISTORTION.
>
> SOMETIMES LOW FI IS THE LEAST FATIGUEING LISTWNING THERE IS BECAUSE THE
> HUMAN BRAIN AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS FOR THE FORMAT.
>
> BJUT YES, I LIKE IT ALL
>
> THANX ION ADVANCE,
>
> PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..."
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  6 08:25:10 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:25:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
References: <100620040537.26604.4163849A000C8E13000067EC2200734830010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5ylhgnFZS400011d0d@hotmail.com>

Hi Paul,

I agreed...however...you MUST use for play also the same Dolby C...and what happen IF you sent a tape to some friend, that DO NOT have a Dolby C decoder?
For this second reason I like with my lovely Dragon's machine NOT to use Noise Reduction at ALL!...As today copies from Cd's sound lovely also with NO Dolby at all!

Cheers,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: paulkoo at comcast.net 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:37 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] How do you record?


  Dolby C.  Better S/N ratio.  Same frequency response.

  Paul

    -------------- Original message -------------- 

    > Personally, I generally use Dolby C, which I feel interferes LESS with the 
    > reproduction of the music. 
    > 
    > > -----Original Message----- 
    > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
    > > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner 
    > > Sent: 04 October 2004 21:45 
    > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    > > Subject: [naktalk] How do you record? 
    > > 
    > > 
    > > Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording 
    > > with you Nak decks? 
    > > Why or why not? 
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  6 09:04:05 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:04:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] dolby
References: <517C2B2A-1726-11D9-A369-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
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Hi Fred!

Here you can read all the "Dolby" history, + wide explanation of how works 
and what do for noise reductions, it's 5 pages so be patiently!!! Good 
Luck!!!

http://www.dolby.com/about/who_we_are/history_1.html

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:28 AM
Subject: [naktalk] dolby


> Hi all,
> I asked this a while ago but got no response, maybe no one saw (or maybe 
> it's too dumb of a question!), but can someone explain to me what Dolby NR 
> does? How is it supposed to work? What's the concept behind it?
>
> I often find knowing how something works helps me use it better and I 
> would love to make the better recordings I know my Nak is capable of.
>
> thanks,
> Fred Lifton
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From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Wed Oct  6 10:59:40 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:59:40 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
In-Reply-To: <000401c4ab14$2f829880$67824c51@oemcomputer>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041004164403.00b8e2b8@psulias.psu.edu>
	<000401c4ab14$2f829880$67824c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041006185328.01c4dd70@pop.iprimus.com.au>

I no longer bother with dolby B or C on either my 700 ZXL or 582.

I just find that tape hiss is not a problem anymore! (it sure used to be).

Is it the Naks, the tapes, my ears?

I don't know.....

Regards

Rob
At 05:47 AM 6/10/2004, you wrote:
>Personally, I generally use Dolby C, which I feel interferes LESS with the
>reproduction of the music.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> > Sent: 04 October 2004 21:45
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
> >
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording
> > with you Nak decks?
> > Why or why not?
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 18:54:53 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:54:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <518b7b10410020639139b59e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD899B9C.6E4A%pokemonoman@mac.com>

AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING THE
MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA ANY
DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY LIKE
STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO CLOSELY....

ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY ENOUGH,
I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN ALL
ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE THE
CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME AWAY
IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS AND
TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL PROJECTS
THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP CALLED
"THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT "LITTLE
BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY EXISTED
NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC FORMAT AS
MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE STEREO
UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...

oh yeah, 
I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN I'LL
PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO AZIMUTH IN
THE PLAYBACK MODE!!

THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO STICK
TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"


on 10/2/04 9:39 AM, george valkov at george.valkov at gmail.com wrote:

> Guys, 
> 
> I hate stepping into the eternal digital vs. analog debacle, but I
> can't help myself on this one.
> 
> IMHO, the first major issue of importance is the quality of the
> recording/mastering/production process, both for vinyl and CD. No one
> can convince me that a bad vinyl pressing of a crappy recording will
> by definition sound better than the CD. That has always been my main
> "bone of content" when going into LP vs CD comparisons - I have a
> close friend with whom we have a sort of challenge - he's gone for
> top-end vinyl (Michell Orbe with all bells and whistles/SME V/ VdH
> Colibri/Tom Evans "The Groove") with solid state amplification (top
> YBA), I've gone top-end CD (EMM Labs transport plus DAC) with
> tube/valve amplification (custom-built passive preamp plus various
> monoblocs, incl. Conrad-Johnson, BAT, etc.). How can you compare a
> 200g MFSL or other audiophile LP pressing to a run-of-the-mill CD ?
> Depending on choice of material AND data carrier we have been able to
> make strong cases both for vinyl and for CD - an XRCD of Victor
> Feldman through my system completely blew away a normal vinyl pressing
> of same album on my friend's system and vice versa in other instances.
> I have to agree that the quality of most CDs is inferior, presumably
> because at time of recording/production everyone thought "digital is
> so good we don't need to pay much attention to the process" - but I
> cannot agree to generalise that conclusion for absolutely each and
> every case. I've long given up on theoretical disputes about formats,
> I now rely solely on my senses - if I like the way it sounds, it's
> good, regardless whether it's CD, LP, SACD, WAV from my Creative
> Jukebox, etc. (well I can't really accept MP3 or AAC, or whatever
> other compressed crap is available, but that's just me).
> 
> As always, what matters in the end is enjoying the music, the rest is
> just a nice way to pass the time in friendly disputes with fellow
> 'natics.
> 
> Enjoy the weekend and the music !
> 
> George
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300, Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to sound close
>> to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player) sounds and
>> how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players. Even good,
>> from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much closer to
>> real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many opportunities
>> to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.
>> 
>> Have a great weekend!
>> 
>> Tadas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>> 
>> Hi Neil,
>> 
>> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last Naim
>> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i remember well
>> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a "Completely
>> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided after!!!!
>> 
>> Happy listening...!
>> 
>> ALEX!
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AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING THE
MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA ANY
DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY LIKE
STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO CLOSELY....

ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY ENOUGH,
I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN ALL
ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE THE
CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME AWAY
IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS AND
TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL PROJECTS
THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP CALLED
"THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT "LITTLE
BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY EXISTED
NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC FORMAT AS
MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE STEREO
UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...

oh yeah, 
I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN I'LL
PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO AZIMUTH IN
THE PLAYBACK MODE!!

THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO STICK
TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 19:33:50 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:33:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6D0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <BD89A4BE.6E64%pokemonoman@mac.com>

IS ANYBODY OUT THERE IN CONTACT WITH THIS ELUSIVE WIRELSS REMOTE FOR
NAKAMICHI CASSETEE DECK?

"rm-580r/t"

IF ANYBODY SEES ONE FOR SALE CAN YOU PLEASE AT LEAST CONSIDER TO LINK ME UP?

GRACIAS!!

PMJ



on 10/1/04 8:42 PM, Thomas Siomopoulos at Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au
wrote:

> Yep it certainly is the wireless remote.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: POKEMONOJEFF [mailto:pokemonoman at mac.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 October 2004 4:55
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
> 
> 
> IS THIS THE WIRELESS REMOTE??
> I WANT/NEED ONE VERY BADLY
> 
> PMJ

IS ANYBODY OUT THERE IN CONTACT WITH THIS ELUSIVE WIRELSS REMOTE FOR
NAKAMICHI CASSETEE DECK?

"rm-580r/t"

IF ANYBODY SEES ONE FOR SALE CAN YOU PLEASE AT LEAST CONSIDER TO LINK ME UP?

GRACIAS!!

PMJ



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct  6 22:33:19 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:33:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II
In-Reply-To: <4162F543.8070300@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <000401c4abe3$b7915f20$dc6e893e@oemcomputer>

Thanks Mike - I'll try that in the office ... if I can when no one's
looking!

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Michael Moore
  Sent: 05 October 2004 20:26
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II


  Possible solution:
  I had the skipping problem also in the same area (playing on a Shanling
SCD-T200),
  and solved it by making a bit for bit copy on the computer and burning
another
  copy onto a blank CD-R (one copy at 24X, one copy at 48X, both on generic
CD-Rs,
  no labels), and both copies play all tracks beautifully.
  Atlanta Mike


  Nelson wrote:

I got my 2 CDs today, thanks Carlos.  Playing the first, I was immediately
bowled over by the sound quality of the first track on CD 1.   Like I was
listening to a live radio broadcast on Radio 3!!  Excellent.  Unfortunately,
the pleasure was marred at around track 11 when skipping began and
thereafter, I couldn't get a whole track to play right though, and some of
the tracks nearest the end wouldn't play at all.  On CD2 I got the same
problem starting on track 8.  Sensitive little soul, my Rega Jupiter II !!

Gra'


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From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:33:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6D3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000e01c4abe3$bd9faa20$dc6e893e@oemcomputer>

Ain't that just the way?    Mind you, I can't complain too much about the CD
player - I didn't pay even 1/3rd of the selling price for that Jupiter II
...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> Sent: 05 October 2004 23:51
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon MkII versus Rega Jupiter II
>
>
> Hi everyone. I received my Marathon cdII and all I can say is - CARLOS
> you're the man! What a fantastic production! Gra' you are going
> hate what I
> have to say next, I played the 2 CD's last night on my cheap Sony
> CD player
> (can't remember the model) and not a problem, sorry for the info.
>
> 	Tom.
>
>
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  6 21:48:28 2004
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:48:28 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] How do you record?
Message-ID: <BAY10-F31ATiyhGvDpE0000b8de@hotmail.com>

I use Dolby B 95% of the time. Even on my Dragon and ZX-7,but the Dolby B 
does not seem more effective than on cheaper decks as Teac, Marantz, and 
Aiwa wich I have also owned. I stated using Dolby B back in 1978. It always 
seems to put a more crisp sound to the music. I always do playback with the 
Dolby turned off regardless of weather the recording was made in dolby or 
not.

>From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:45:04 -0400
>
>Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording 
>with you Nak decks?
>Why or why not?
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 22:06:47 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:06:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F32MiZopcRbAjX000241fb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD89C897.6E8E%pokemonoman@mac.com>

AFTER AWHILE YOU MAY FIND OUT YOU DON'T EVEN NEED THE "FIREPLACE"

MOST 78'S HAVE A REAL "SOUL" AND THE SOUL IS SEPERATE FROM THE CRACKLES AND
SURFACE NOISE.
TO MY MIND, THAT 78 RPM "SOUL" ALWAYS COMES THROUGH LOUD AND CLEAR AND THE
NOISE SIMPLY DOESN'T EVEN FACTOR, PERIOD.

PMJ


on 10/1/04 10:54 PM, neil lipes at neillipes628 at hotmail.com wrote:

> Stan:
> 
> Many years ago a close friend gave me the greatest hint to listening to Lps
> and 78s that had surface noise or cracking transients........pretend you are
> in front of a fireplace listening to your favourite piece of music......the
> brain will tune out the nasties to allow you to enjoy the real reason for
> listening in the first place........works like a charm!
> 
> Neil

AFTER AWHILE YOU MAY FIND OUT YOU DON'T EVEN NEED THE "FIREPLACE"

MOST 78'S HAVE A REAL "SOUL" AND THE SOUL IS SEPERATE FROM THE CRACKLES AND
SURFACE NOISE.
TO MY MIND, THAT 78 RPM "SOUL" ALWAYS COMES THROUGH LOUD AND CLEAR AND THE
NOISE SIMPLY DOESN'T EVEN FACTOR, PERIOD.

PMJ



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct  6 22:33:34 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:33:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BD88C37B.6E0D%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c4abe3$c01453a0$dc6e893e@oemcomputer>

It's a fair point, Jeff - what matters is the enjoyment of the music and
sometimes, just sometimes, bits of the hi fi system can get in the way of
that.  I think, for example, of some poorly recorded CD's that I have -
listen to them on an accurate set up and they sound horrible!  Listen to
them on a much less accurate system, may be one that colours with inaccurate
warmth, and the CDs become rather enjoyable!  I know a guy who copies all
his favourite CDs onto cassette and listens to them on his Nakamichi ZX9
because he much prefers the music after it's gone through that process ...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of POKEMONOJEFF
> Sent: 06 October 2004 02:33
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> SORRY TO BUTT IN HERE...
> I LIKE IT ALL...
>
> I LIKE TAPE HISS, I LIKE TUBE DISTORTION AND I LIKE AUDIOPHILE.
> I ALSO LIKE LOW-FI REPRODUCTION.
> I DO NOT LIKE TOO MUCH RESOLUTION A LA INFINITY BETAS, ETC...
> ALL I CAN HEAR IS THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SOURCE AND FATIGUEING DISTORTION.
>
> SOMETIMES LOW FI IS THE LEAST FATIGUEING LISTWNING THERE IS BECAUSE THE
> HUMAN BRAIN AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS FOR THE FORMAT.
>
> BJUT YES, I LIKE IT ALL
>
> THANX ION ADVANCE,
>
> PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..."
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct  7 04:24:26 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:24:26 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <BD899B9C.6E4A%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4ac14$c510c330$8f773242@CopyTech>

SO, ARE YOU FRIEND OF TED JENSEN ? ARE YOU IN NEW YORK TOO ? I KNOW MOST OF
THE BIG APPLE'S MASTERING ENGINEERS. GREG CALBI IS ACTUALLY WORKING AT
STERLING TOO.

( SORRY FOR THE "YELLING")

Carlos

MASTERING FACILITY LIKE
> STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS


From pokemonoman at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 23:32:37 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:32:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
In-Reply-To: <BAY10-F31ATiyhGvDpE0000b8de@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD89DCB5.6EB5%pokemonoman@mac.com>


DOLBY B IS JIVE. I DON'T HATE IT, BUT I'D STILL RATHER HEAR THE HISS ANYDAY.

SORRY TO BUTT IN AS USUAL...


PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN....."


on 10/6/04 3:48 PM, Mark Exstedt at mark8559 at hotmail.com wrote:

> Aiwa wich I have also owned. I stated using Dolby B back in 1978. It always
> seems to put a more crisp sound to the music. I always do playback with the
> Dolby turned off regardless of weather the recording was made in dolby or
> not.


DOLBY B IS JIVE. I DON'T HATE IT, BUT I'D STILL RATHER HEAR THE HISS ANYDAY.

SORRY TO BUTT IN AS USUAL...


PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN....."



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 23:35:32 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:35:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041006185328.01c4dd70@pop.iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <BD89DD64.6EB6%pokemonoman@mac.com>

on 10/6/04 4:59 AM, Robert Stynes at rastynes at iprimus.com.au wrote:

> Is it the Naks, the tapes, my ears?
> 
> I don't know.....
> 
> Regards
> 
> Rob

IF IT'S YOUR EARS AND BRAIN COMBINED ( I SUSPECT SO...) THEN YOU ARE IN FINE
SHAPE AND YOU CAN AT LEAST CONSIDER TO COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS I SUPPOSE...

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A WOMAN..."



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct  6 23:59:31 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:59:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <BD89C897.6E8E%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4abef$c2b6a660$0263893e@oemcomputer>

Right on!  I have a 78 rpm of the Ink Spots and another of them on 33.3 rpm
LP.  The same track is way better on the 78 rpm in spite of the crackle and
spit.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of POKEMONOJEFF
> Sent: 06 October 2004 21:07
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????
>
>
> AFTER AWHILE YOU MAY FIND OUT YOU DON'T EVEN NEED THE "FIREPLACE"
>
> MOST 78'S HAVE A REAL "SOUL" AND THE SOUL IS SEPERATE FROM THE
> CRACKLES AND
> SURFACE NOISE.
> TO MY MIND, THAT 78 RPM "SOUL" ALWAYS COMES THROUGH LOUD AND CLEAR AND THE
> NOISE SIMPLY DOESN'T EVEN FACTOR, PERIOD.
>
> PMJ
>
>
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Thu Oct  7 00:04:33 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:04:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4abe3$c01453a0$dc6e893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BD89E430.6EC3%pokemonoman@mac.com>

THANX FOR SPEAKING OUT IN THIS WAY...I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SAID IT:  "THE
ENJOYMENT OF THE MUSIC"

I AM NOT TOO BIG A FAN OF ANYTHING THAYT TENDS TO GET IN THE WAY OF ENJOYING

THE MUSIC. SOMETIMES, IT IS TRUE, ENJOYING THE MUSIC AND A "HI-FI"
EXPERIENCE CAN CO-EXIST BEAUTIFULLY.
SOMETIMES A MINT CONDITION KLH COMPACT 24 OR 20 SYSTEM IS JUST RIGHT.
OTHER TIMES IT JUST ISN'T ENOUGH.

I LIKE PLAYING 7" 45'S ON SYSTEMS WHERE IT SOUNDS "JUST RIGHT"

SOMETIMES I PLAY MY MORE LIKE MINT CONDITION 7" 45'S ON MY CLEAR
AUDIO/SOUTHER TRI QUARTZ III SIGNATURE SILVER CLEAR AUDIO V.P.I. MARK II SET
UP AND IT'S REAL NICE AND AT OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST TO REVEALING.

I THINK THE ANSWER THERE WOULD BE3 ONBE OF THOSE MONO GRADO CARTRIUDGEWS OR
EVEN THAT CRAZY, CRAZY $5,000.00 LYRA ARCHIVE MONO MOVING COIL...
BUT THAT COMES LATER, I CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW!!!

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A WOMAN...."


on 10/6/04 4:33 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

> It's a fair point, Jeff - what matters is the enjoyment of the music and
> sometimes, just sometimes, bits of the hi fi system can get in the way of
> that.  I think, for example, of some poorly recorded CD's that I have -
> listen to them on an accurate set up and they sound horrible!  Listen to
> them on a much less accurate system, may be one that colours with inaccurate
> warmth, and the CDs become rather enjoyable!  I know a guy who copies all
> his favourite CDs onto cassette and listens to them on his Nakamichi ZX9
> because he much prefers the music after it's gone through that process ...
> 
> Gra'

THANX FOR SPEAKING OUT IN THIS WAY...I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SAID IT:  "THE
ENJOYMENT OF THE MUSIC"

I AM NOT TOO BIG A FAN OF ANYTHING THAYT TENDS TO GET IN THE WAY OF ENJOYING

THE MUSIC. SOMETIMES, IT IS TRUE, ENJOYING THE MUSIC AND A "HI-FI"
EXPERIENCE CAN CO-EXIST BEAUTIFULLY.
SOMETIMES A MINT CONDITION KLH COMPACT 24 OR 20 SYSTEM IS JUST RIGHT.
OTHER TIMES IT JUST ISN'T ENOUGH.

I LIKE PLAYING 7" 45'S ON SYSTEMS WHERE IT SOUNDS "JUST RIGHT"

SOMETIMES I PLAY MY MORE LIKE MINT CONDITION 7" 45'S ON MY CLEAR
AUDIO/SOUTHER TRI QUARTZ III SIGNATURE SILVER CLEAR AUDIO V.P.I. MARK II SET
UP AND IT'S REAL NICE AND AT OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST TO REVEALING.

I THINK THE ANSWER THERE WOULD BE3 ONBE OF THOSE MONO GRADO CARTRIUDGEWS OR
EVEN THAT CRAZY, CRAZY $5,000.00 LYRA ARCHIVE MONO MOVING COIL...
BUT THAT COMES LATER, I CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW!!!

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A WOMAN...."



From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Thu Oct  7 01:07:45 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:07:45 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <000f01c4abe3$c01453a0$dc6e893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002d01c4abf9$4abd41a0$860f98de@tec>

Hello All

I have a Nak 600 which is Dolby B only. If I have accurately tracked the 
output levels on the adjuster, I get results from Dolby B that do not 
adversely affect the treble response the way it happens on so many other 
decks by other makers. This is due to the Dolby level being at 0dB on the 
600's meters and not at some other voltage point as on other decks.

I also have a 3 head Technics deck which has Dolby B, C and dBX. I use none 
of them as the tracking is not adjustable so the results are not good on 
that deck, although its actual sound quality with Dolby off is fine. I can 
play back the Nak 600 cassettes on it with Dolby B on sounding OK however.

Regards

Donald


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> It's a fair point, Jeff - what matters is the enjoyment of the music and
> sometimes, just sometimes, bits of the hi fi system can get in the way of
> that.  I think, for example, of some poorly recorded CD's that I have -
> listen to them on an accurate set up and they sound horrible!  Listen to
> them on a much less accurate system, may be one that colours with 
> inaccurate
> warmth, and the CDs become rather enjoyable!  I know a guy who copies all
> his favourite CDs onto cassette and listens to them on his Nakamichi ZX9
> because he much prefers the music after it's gone through that process ...
>
> Gra'
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of POKEMONOJEFF
>> Sent: 06 October 2004 02:33
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>
>>
>> SORRY TO BUTT IN HERE...
>> I LIKE IT ALL...
>>
>> I LIKE TAPE HISS, I LIKE TUBE DISTORTION AND I LIKE AUDIOPHILE.
>> I ALSO LIKE LOW-FI REPRODUCTION.
>> I DO NOT LIKE TOO MUCH RESOLUTION A LA INFINITY BETAS, ETC...
>> ALL I CAN HEAR IS THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SOURCE AND FATIGUEING 
>> DISTORTION.
>>
>> SOMETIMES LOW FI IS THE LEAST FATIGUEING LISTWNING THERE IS BECAUSE THE
>> HUMAN BRAIN AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS FOR THE FORMAT.
>>
>> BJUT YES, I LIKE IT ALL
>>
>> THANX ION ADVANCE,
>>
>> PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..."
>>
>>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  7 02:39:55 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:39:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
Message-ID: <BAY2-F33tdB3xuv4hh600060a82@hotmail.com>

As I write this playing in the background .........Schuman's Piano Quintet 
in E b played by the  Flonzaley Quartet with Ossip Gabrilowitsch.......I 
know of no finer reading of this work.......point is the media is an 
original 78 in mint condition...........this is heaven!!!!!

Neil



>From: POKEMONOJEFF <pokemonoman at mac.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] A new joke??????
>Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:06:47 -0400
>
>AFTER AWHILE YOU MAY FIND OUT YOU DON'T EVEN NEED THE "FIREPLACE"
>
>MOST 78'S HAVE A REAL "SOUL" AND THE SOUL IS SEPERATE FROM THE CRACKLES AND
>SURFACE NOISE.
>TO MY MIND, THAT 78 RPM "SOUL" ALWAYS COMES THROUGH LOUD AND CLEAR AND THE
>NOISE SIMPLY DOESN'T EVEN FACTOR, PERIOD.
>
>PMJ
>
>
>on 10/1/04 10:54 PM, neil lipes at neillipes628 at hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Stan:
> >
> > Many years ago a close friend gave me the greatest hint to listening to 
>Lps
> > and 78s that had surface noise or cracking transients........pretend you 
>are
> > in front of a fireplace listening to your favourite piece of 
>music......the
> > brain will tune out the nasties to allow you to enjoy the real reason 
>for
> > listening in the first place........works like a charm!
> >
> > Neil
>
>AFTER AWHILE YOU MAY FIND OUT YOU DON'T EVEN NEED THE "FIREPLACE"
>
>MOST 78'S HAVE A REAL "SOUL" AND THE SOUL IS SEPERATE FROM THE CRACKLES AND
>SURFACE NOISE.
>TO MY MIND, THAT 78 RPM "SOUL" ALWAYS COMES THROUGH LOUD AND CLEAR AND THE
>NOISE SIMPLY DOESN'T EVEN FACTOR, PERIOD.
>
>PMJ
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  7 02:44:44 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:44:44 -0400
Subject: FW: [naktalk] How do you record?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F11gl4rhYQYx3G0000056a@hotmail.com>

I have stopped using noise reduction on my Teac X2000R be it at 3.75 or 7.5 
.....I find since I tuned up the deck tape hiss is not an issue!

Neil


>From: "Mark Exstedt" <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: FW: [naktalk] How do you record?
>Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:48:28 -0600
>
>I use Dolby B 95% of the time. Even on my Dragon and ZX-7,but the Dolby B 
>does not seem more effective than on cheaper decks as Teac, Marantz, and 
>Aiwa wich I have also owned. I stated using Dolby B back in 1978. It always 
>seems to put a more crisp sound to the music. I always do playback with the 
>Dolby turned off regardless of weather the recording was made in dolby or 
>not.
>
>>From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
>>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:45:04 -0400
>>
>>Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording 
>>with you Nak decks?
>>Why or why not?
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From craig at leckband.com  Thu Oct  7 04:03:24 2004
From: craig at leckband.com (Craig Leckband)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:03:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
Message-ID: <4164A3EC.2050703@leckband.com>

Hi Scott,

Forgive me for being dense, I have read your fabulous compilation from the archives
several times.  My apologies for copying it here:


> *_Nakamichi CR-7A Equalization Upgrade_*
> The equalization upgrade was incorporated after S/N A130-08677, during 
> the last quarter of 1985.
>
> Only the CR-7, pre S/N A130-08677, was afflicted with the record EQ 
> and rubber idler mistakes.  As for playback EQ, the Sendust head2-head 
> models, i.e., CR-1/2, as well as RX202, BX1/2/100/125/150, DR3/8, 
> MR-2, CassetteDeck2/3, were actually "off standard" per usual Nak 
> standards,having been made closer to IEC-2 (the easier to meet 
> standard used by the other "crap" deck makers), due to the poorer high 
> frequency playback ability of the Sendust vs crystal permalloy heads, 
> so should theoretically make tapes that sound more normal on other 
> maker's decks.  This does, however, say that these decks are "crap" 
> compared to crystal permalloy head Naks(i.e., all 3-head Naks, plus 
> the 580, 550, 500 and 350 2-head decks).  I agree with this statement, 
> but also say that the 2-head Naks are still far and away better than 
> almost every other makers' best decks.
>   

It seems to tell me what decks are affected, and that decks with serial 
numbers after SN 8677 did not have the record equalization flaw.  My 
CR-7 has a lower SN.  How do I perform the equalization upgrade on my deck?

Sorry for my confusion and thank you for your help

Craig Leckband

PS  It seems to me that I am not the only one that would like to mine the archives for solutions to common problems.  The link below is a great start on a naktalk faq.  There is a great body of knowledge locked in the archives.  It would seem to me that there could be interest in the community to perhaps compile the archives into a virtual Nak encyclopedia.  If that were done, couldn't we find a way a link to it on the naks.com page?

Scott J. wrote:
Go to my web page
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html

and scroll down to Nakamichi CR-7A Equalization

Scott J.

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  7 06:02:51 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:02:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
References: <BAY10-F31ATiyhGvDpE0000b8de@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV3suZ2K4xDh00003083@hotmail.com>

Hi Mark,

Yes Mark, that is the mainly reason WHY I avoid any Dolby!!! I don't like 
the more "Crispness"...that you state, it's ADDED artificial...and if you 
listening in an a older/cheap unit that such Dolby decoder is NOT 100% 
calibrated OHH MY GOD!!!! For so... NO DOLBY AT ALL...better for me!, Also 
with my Dragon NO hiss at all...so why to add any Noise Reduction?

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Exstedt" <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:48 PM
Subject: FW: [naktalk] How do you record?


>I use Dolby B 95% of the time. Even on my Dragon and ZX-7,but the Dolby B 
>does not seem more effective than on cheaper decks as Teac, Marantz, and 
>Aiwa wich I have also owned. I stated using Dolby B back in 1978. It always 
>seems to put a more crisp sound to the music. I always do playback with the 
>Dolby turned off regardless of weather the recording was made in dolby or 
>not.
>
>>From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
>>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:45:04 -0400
>>
>>Just out of curiosity, how many of you used Dobly B or C when recording 
>>with you Nak decks?
>>Why or why not?
>>
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From sendigitall at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 09:34:31 2004
From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:34:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] stereo levels in pre rec cassettes
In-Reply-To: <200410011949.i91JnS6g031179@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20041007073431.28071.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com>


hi 

   i have been playing pre recorded cassettes for quiet some time now in my cassette deck 1.5...and i notice this level indicating a higher output in the left channel ..and its true with almost all pre recorded cassettes ...left channel has higher out put that the right.Is this normal or is it a problem ?

How good is the "NAKAMICHI RECIVER 2" which comes with a built in tuner ,styled like the cassette deck series  ..  how does NAK amps fare when compared to NAD amps ....kindly give me some feed back.....

the pinch rollers in naks ..are they made only for nak decks ..or can normal pinch rollers be used in naks decks ...any thing special about nak pinchs ??? can i use isopropyl to clean them??

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From daveharris at clear.net.nz  Thu Oct  7 10:04:43 2004
From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:04:43 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Not strictly Nak but...
Message-ID: <016801c4ac44$4e7ceca0$e85c65da@vurt>

Hi all


I was lucky enough to pickup a Pioneer CT-A7 for $5. It works OK but the drive belts are shagged which I will replace with generic ones. It is cosmetically OK except it is missing the drive well door, does anyone have one of these they would like to sell or trade.

Thanks

Dave 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Oct  7 10:41:00 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:41:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <s1651dbf.072@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Nice post PMJ,

Thanks for the recommendations too.  I must say, that CDs for me are
also a source of non-critical listening - and that's not to say that
many of them are not really excellent.  I suppose it's partly because
they are the default medium of the moment....

Cheers,

Marc

>>> pokemonoman at mac.com 10/06/04 06:54PM >>>
AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
THE
MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
ANY
DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
LIKE
STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
CLOSELY....

ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
ENOUGH,
I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
ALL
ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
THE
CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
AWAY
IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
AND
TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
PROJECTS
THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
CALLED
"THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
"LITTLE
BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
EXISTED
NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
FORMAT AS
MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
STEREO
UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...

oh yeah, 
I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
I'LL
PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO AZIMUTH
IN
THE PLAYBACK MODE!!

THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO
STICK
TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"


on 10/2/04 9:39 AM, george valkov at george.valkov at gmail.com wrote:

> Guys, 
> 
> I hate stepping into the eternal digital vs. analog debacle, but I
> can't help myself on this one.
> 
> IMHO, the first major issue of importance is the quality of the
> recording/mastering/production process, both for vinyl and CD. No
one
> can convince me that a bad vinyl pressing of a crappy recording will
> by definition sound better than the CD. That has always been my main
> "bone of content" when going into LP vs CD comparisons - I have a
> close friend with whom we have a sort of challenge - he's gone for
> top-end vinyl (Michell Orbe with all bells and whistles/SME V/ VdH
> Colibri/Tom Evans "The Groove") with solid state amplification (top
> YBA), I've gone top-end CD (EMM Labs transport plus DAC) with
> tube/valve amplification (custom-built passive preamp plus various
> monoblocs, incl. Conrad-Johnson, BAT, etc.). How can you compare a
> 200g MFSL or other audiophile LP pressing to a run-of-the-mill CD ?
> Depending on choice of material AND data carrier we have been able
to
> make strong cases both for vinyl and for CD - an XRCD of Victor
> Feldman through my system completely blew away a normal vinyl
pressing
> of same album on my friend's system and vice versa in other
instances.
> I have to agree that the quality of most CDs is inferior, presumably
> because at time of recording/production everyone thought "digital is
> so good we don't need to pay much attention to the process" - but I
> cannot agree to generalise that conclusion for absolutely each and
> every case. I've long given up on theoretical disputes about
formats,
> I now rely solely on my senses - if I like the way it sounds, it's
> good, regardless whether it's CD, LP, SACD, WAV from my Creative
> Jukebox, etc. (well I can't really accept MP3 or AAC, or whatever
> other compressed crap is available, but that's just me).
> 
> As always, what matters in the end is enjoying the music, the rest
is
> just a nice way to pass the time in friendly disputes with fellow
> 'natics.
> 
> Enjoy the weekend and the music !
> 
> George
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300, Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt>
wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to
sound close
>> to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player)
sounds and
>> how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players.
Even good,
>> from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much
closer to
>> real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many
opportunities
>> to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.
>> 
>> Have a great weekend!
>> 
>> Tadas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>> 
>> Hi Neil,
>> 
>> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last
Naim
>> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i
remember well
>> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a
"Completely
>> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided
after!!!!
>> 
>> Happy listening...!
>> 
>> ALEX!
>
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AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
THE
MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
ANY
DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
LIKE
STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
CLOSELY....

ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
ENOUGH,
I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
ALL
ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
THE
CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
AWAY
IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
AND
TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
PROJECTS
THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
CALLED
"THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
"LITTLE
BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
EXISTED
NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
FORMAT AS
MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
STEREO
UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...

oh yeah, 
I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
I'LL
PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO AZIMUTH
IN
THE PLAYBACK MODE!!

THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO
STICK
TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Oct  7 10:44:09 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:44:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <s1651e0e.020@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Goodness Gra',

That's would be the second person I have heard of who copies all his
CDs to tape for listening purposes!!  A connection of mine in Durban has
been doing this for years.  He uses a Nak DR-1 and some other machines -
non-Naks.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 10/06/04 10:33PM >>>
It's a fair point, Jeff - what matters is the enjoyment of the music
and
sometimes, just sometimes, bits of the hi fi system can get in the way
of
that.  I think, for example, of some poorly recorded CD's that I have
-
listen to them on an accurate set up and they sound horrible!  Listen
to
them on a much less accurate system, may be one that colours with
inaccurate
warmth, and the CDs become rather enjoyable!  I know a guy who copies
all
his favourite CDs onto cassette and listens to them on his Nakamichi
ZX9
because he much prefers the music after it's gone through that process
...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
> Behalf Of POKEMONOJEFF
> Sent: 06 October 2004 02:33
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> SORRY TO BUTT IN HERE...
> I LIKE IT ALL...
>
> I LIKE TAPE HISS, I LIKE TUBE DISTORTION AND I LIKE AUDIOPHILE.
> I ALSO LIKE LOW-FI REPRODUCTION.
> I DO NOT LIKE TOO MUCH RESOLUTION A LA INFINITY BETAS, ETC...
> ALL I CAN HEAR IS THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SOURCE AND FATIGUEING
DISTORTION.
>
> SOMETIMES LOW FI IS THE LEAST FATIGUEING LISTWNING THERE IS BECAUSE
THE
> HUMAN BRAIN AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS FOR THE FORMAT.
>
> BJUT YES, I LIKE IT ALL
>
> THANX ION ADVANCE,
>
> PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN..."
>
>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Oct  7 12:57:20 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:57:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Not strictly Nak but...
Message-ID: <s1653d46.001@mroute.sunint.co.za>

HI Dave,

That's a phenomenol deck for a Pioneer (circa '84).  You'll find spares
like that door hard to find as it was near top of the line (just the
CT-A9 above it) and didn't sell in big numbers.  The ribbon sendust
heads are especially good.  Price-wise - that's practically for
nothing!!  I love buying from ignoramuses.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> daveharris at clear.net.nz 10/07/04 10:04AM >>>
Hi all


I was lucky enough to pickup a Pioneer CT-A7 for $5. It works OK but
the drive belts are shagged which I will replace with generic ones. It
is cosmetically OK except it is missing the drive well door, does anyone
have one of these they would like to sell or trade.

Thanks

Dave 

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From timbarrett at cox.net  Thu Oct  7 14:02:31 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:02:31 -0400
Subject: FW: [naktalk] How do you record?
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F11gl4rhYQYx3G0000056a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4164F817.4578.F821F70@localhost>

I vote for no noise reduction.  My experience with Dolby (B or C) over the decades 
has been inconsistent performance from deck to deck, and I've had a lot of decks.  I 
found that tapes made on one frequently sounded too bright or too muddy on others 
when Dolby was involved, but if I didn't use Dolby at all (during record or playback) 
the situation was much improved.  If at any time I'd known that I'd have my present 
deck forever and never play my tapes on any other machine I might have gone back 
to noise reduction.  And you know - others have been right - what hiss there is does 
not seem to bother me at all.


From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  7 11:07:30 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:07:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <s1651dbf.072@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV16LSAQV6uP00001e0d@hotmail.com>

Hi Marc,

Try only to listen, very carefully and with a lot of time + various type of 
YOUR Cd's, a Naim's CD-3 the last one recently launched to the marked cost 
near 8,000 UK pounds, after that write me your impressions...Please!!! 
Thanks so much!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <pokemonoman at mac.com>; <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Nice post PMJ,
>
> Thanks for the recommendations too.  I must say, that CDs for me are
> also a source of non-critical listening - and that's not to say that
> many of them are not really excellent.  I suppose it's partly because
> they are the default medium of the moment....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>>>> pokemonoman at mac.com 10/06/04 06:54PM >>>
> AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
> FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
> THE
> MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
> FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
> ANY
> DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
> LIKE
> STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
> UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
> CLOSELY....
>
> ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
> AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
> ENOUGH,
> I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
> ALL
> ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
> COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
> THE
> CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
> AWAY
> IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
> AND
> TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
> ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
> PROJECTS
> THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
> I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
> CALLED
> "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
> "LITTLE
> BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
> EXISTED
> NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
> FORMAT AS
> MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
> STEREO
> UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
>
> oh yeah,
> I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
> NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
> I'LL
> PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
> I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO AZIMUTH
> IN
> THE PLAYBACK MODE!!
>
> THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO
> STICK
> TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...
>
> PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"
>
>
> on 10/2/04 9:39 AM, george valkov at george.valkov at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> I hate stepping into the eternal digital vs. analog debacle, but I
>> can't help myself on this one.
>>
>> IMHO, the first major issue of importance is the quality of the
>> recording/mastering/production process, both for vinyl and CD. No
> one
>> can convince me that a bad vinyl pressing of a crappy recording will
>> by definition sound better than the CD. That has always been my main
>> "bone of content" when going into LP vs CD comparisons - I have a
>> close friend with whom we have a sort of challenge - he's gone for
>> top-end vinyl (Michell Orbe with all bells and whistles/SME V/ VdH
>> Colibri/Tom Evans "The Groove") with solid state amplification (top
>> YBA), I've gone top-end CD (EMM Labs transport plus DAC) with
>> tube/valve amplification (custom-built passive preamp plus various
>> monoblocs, incl. Conrad-Johnson, BAT, etc.). How can you compare a
>> 200g MFSL or other audiophile LP pressing to a run-of-the-mill CD ?
>> Depending on choice of material AND data carrier we have been able
> to
>> make strong cases both for vinyl and for CD - an XRCD of Victor
>> Feldman through my system completely blew away a normal vinyl
> pressing
>> of same album on my friend's system and vice versa in other
> instances.
>> I have to agree that the quality of most CDs is inferior, presumably
>> because at time of recording/production everyone thought "digital is
>> so good we don't need to pay much attention to the process" - but I
>> cannot agree to generalise that conclusion for absolutely each and
>> every case. I've long given up on theoretical disputes about
> formats,
>> I now rely solely on my senses - if I like the way it sounds, it's
>> good, regardless whether it's CD, LP, SACD, WAV from my Creative
>> Jukebox, etc. (well I can't really accept MP3 or AAC, or whatever
>> other compressed crap is available, but that's just me).
>>
>> As always, what matters in the end is enjoying the music, the rest
> is
>> just a nice way to pass the time in friendly disputes with fellow
>> 'natics.
>>
>> Enjoy the weekend and the music !
>>
>> George
>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300, Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt>
> wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to
> sound close
>>> to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player)
> sounds and
>>> how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players.
> Even good,
>>> from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much
> closer to
>>> real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many
> opportunities
>>> to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.
>>>
>>> Have a great weekend!
>>>
>>> Tadas
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>>
>>> Hi Neil,
>>>
>>> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last
> Naim
>>> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i
> remember well
>>> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a
> "Completely
>>> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided
> after!!!!
>>>
>>> Happy listening...!
>>>
>>> ALEX!
>>
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> AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
> FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
> THE
> MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
> FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
> ANY
> DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
> LIKE
> STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
> UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
> CLOSELY....
>
> ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
> AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
> ENOUGH,
> I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
> ALL
> ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
> COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
> THE
> CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
> AWAY
> IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
> AND
> TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
> ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
> PROJECTS
> THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
> I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
> CALLED
> "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
> "LITTLE
> BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
> EXISTED
> NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
> FORMAT AS
> MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
> STEREO
> UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
>
> oh yeah,
> I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
> NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
> I'LL
> PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
> I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO AZIMUTH
> IN
> THE PLAYBACK MODE!!
>
> THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO
> STICK
> TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...
>
> PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"
>
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From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  7 11:11:10 2004
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:11:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BD89E430.6EC3%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20041007091110.63067.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

YUk
I thought this was a Nakamichi info message board, not an "My HI Fi's bigger and better than your's" ego massage centre!
 
Sorry for the moan but some of these postings are really starting to crowd the nasal 
passages, guys can we keep with the program!!
 
Terry

POKEMONOJEFF <pokemonoman at mac.com> wrote:
THANX FOR SPEAKING OUT IN THIS WAY...I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SAID IT: "THE
ENJOYMENT OF THE MUSIC"

I AM NOT TOO BIG A FAN OF ANYTHING THAYT TENDS TO GET IN THE WAY OF ENJOYING

THE MUSIC. SOMETIMES, IT IS TRUE, ENJOYING THE MUSIC AND A "HI-FI"
EXPERIENCE CAN CO-EXIST BEAUTIFULLY.
SOMETIMES A MINT CONDITION KLH COMPACT 24 OR 20 SYSTEM IS JUST RIGHT.
OTHER TIMES IT JUST ISN'T ENOUGH.

I LIKE PLAYING 7" 45'S ON SYSTEMS WHERE IT SOUNDS "JUST RIGHT"

SOMETIMES I PLAY MY MORE LIKE MINT CONDITION 7" 45'S ON MY CLEAR
AUDIO/SOUTHER TRI QUARTZ III SIGNATURE SILVER CLEAR AUDIO V.P.I. MARK II SET
UP AND IT'S REAL NICE AND AT OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST TO REVEALING.

I THINK THE ANSWER THERE WOULD BE3 ONBE OF THOSE MONO GRADO CARTRIUDGEWS OR
EVEN THAT CRAZY, CRAZY $5,000.00 LYRA ARCHIVE MONO MOVING COIL...
BUT THAT COMES LATER, I CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW!!!

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A WOMAN...."


on 10/6/04 4:33 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

> It's a fair point, Jeff - what matters is the enjoyment of the music and
> sometimes, just sometimes, bits of the hi fi system can get in the way of
> that. I think, for example, of some poorly recorded CD's that I have -
> listen to them on an accurate set up and they sound horrible! Listen to
> them on a much less accurate system, may be one that colours with inaccurate
> warmth, and the CDs become rather enjoyable! I know a guy who copies all
> his favourite CDs onto cassette and listens to them on his Nakamichi ZX9
> because he much prefers the music after it's gone through that process ...
> 
> Gra'

THANX FOR SPEAKING OUT IN THIS WAY...I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SAID IT: "THE
ENJOYMENT OF THE MUSIC"

I AM NOT TOO BIG A FAN OF ANYTHING THAYT TENDS TO GET IN THE WAY OF ENJOYING

THE MUSIC. SOMETIMES, IT IS TRUE, ENJOYING THE MUSIC AND A "HI-FI"
EXPERIENCE CAN CO-EXIST BEAUTIFULLY.
SOMETIMES A MINT CONDITION KLH COMPACT 24 OR 20 SYSTEM IS JUST RIGHT.
OTHER TIMES IT JUST ISN'T ENOUGH.

I LIKE PLAYING 7" 45'S ON SYSTEMS WHERE IT SOUNDS "JUST RIGHT"

SOMETIMES I PLAY MY MORE LIKE MINT CONDITION 7" 45'S ON MY CLEAR
AUDIO/SOUTHER TRI QUARTZ III SIGNATURE SILVER CLEAR AUDIO V.P.I. MARK II SET
UP AND IT'S REAL NICE AND AT OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST TO REVEALING.

I THINK THE ANSWER THERE WOULD BE3 ONBE OF THOSE MONO GRADO CARTRIUDGEWS OR
EVEN THAT CRAZY, CRAZY $5,000.00 LYRA ARCHIVE MONO MOVING COIL...
BUT THAT COMES LATER, I CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW!!!

PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A WOMAN...."

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From neilasimon at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 14:48:07 2004
From: neilasimon at yahoo.com (neilasimon at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:48:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682 ZX available 
Message-ID: <20041007124807.59343.qmail@web60303.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a Nakamichi 682 ZX available for sale if anyone is interested.   It is in very good cosmetic condition and appears to work OK although not used for a while.   I upgraded (if there is such a thing) to a CR7E.   Let me know if you are interested.

		
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Oct  7 16:27:56 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:27:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <20041007124807.59343.qmail@web60303.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041007124807.59343.qmail@web60303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007102239.019b2480@psulias.psu.edu>

OK, just unloaded a NAD C541 and a bunch of old board games, and I'm ready 
to buy.
I am looking for the following priorities.
1. Playback of prerecorded tapes.
2. Playback of tapes recorded by high quality non-Nak decks.
3. Recording for playback on same deck.
4. Playback of tapes recorded by inferior decks (tape trading days)

Reliability is also an issue.  I don't want to have to ship the thing off 
to get fixed constantly.  Surprisingly it seems CR7s have more problems 
than Dragons.

I know the early CR7s have idler problems and equalizer problems, I'd like 
to avoid that.
Any Dragon models that should be avoided?

Does the ZX-9 or RX-505 give the above two a challenge?

Thanks for any advice you can offer.



From kokkolis at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 16:38:36 2004
From: kokkolis at yahoo.com (Christos Kokkolis)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:38:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] Remote control for Dragon
Message-ID: <20041007143836.90242.qmail@web13527.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear All,
 
I have just joined your amazing group and I have been impressed by how much I've learnt about Nacs that I didn't know during the last 7 years I had my DR-2. 
 
Finally, I am about to become a proud owner of a CR-7 and of a Dragon. I am trying to find a remote control RM-20 for the Dragon but it's been proving a rather difficult task. I have located an RM-15 instead that from the pictures looks not that dissimilar to an RM-20.
 
As I am not very familiar with these remotes, could an expert suggest whether an RM-15 is indeed suitable for a Dragon and what the differences between the RM-20 and the RM-15 are ?
 
Thanks a lot.
 
Christos



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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Oct  7 17:09:58 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:09:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
Message-ID: <s1657876.048@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Off the top of my head, I would say that the ZX-9 is the toughest of the
super-Naks, based on the era it was built in, and features manual
everything with FG-servo double capstan direct drive.  Either of the ZXs
will give both the Dragon and the CR-7 a sonic run for their money. 
However, the CR-7 has quite a "specific" level of clarity, particularly
as a recorder.  From an anecdotal point of view (gained on this group) ,
it has no peers.  However, all Nakamichis at this level sound first
rate.

I have not heard of too many reliability problems with the RX-505.  I
do not use Nakamichis for workhorse tasks - I have a Tascam 112 for
that.  A Dragon will suit you best for all your priorities but if you
are using any deck multiple hours every day, at some point it is going
to spend time with the technician.  

You could aslo consider the DR-1 and the Casette Deck 1 for accurate
playback of tapes recorded on other decks (your tape trades and the
number 2s - high quality non-Naks).  Both are dual capstan three
headers.

Good luck,

Marc

>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 10/07/04 04:27PM >>>
OK, just unloaded a NAD C541 and a bunch of old board games, and I'm
ready 
to buy.
I am looking for the following priorities.
1. Playback of prerecorded tapes.
2. Playback of tapes recorded by high quality non-Nak decks.
3. Recording for playback on same deck.
4. Playback of tapes recorded by inferior decks (tape trading days)

Reliability is also an issue.  I don't want to have to ship the thing
off 
to get fixed constantly.  Surprisingly it seems CR7s have more problems

than Dragons.

I know the early CR7s have idler problems and equalizer problems, I'd
like 
to avoid that.
Any Dragon models that should be avoided?

Does the ZX-9 or RX-505 give the above two a challenge?

Thanks for any advice you can offer.

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct  7 20:49:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:49:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <20041007091110.63067.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005501c4ac9e$618171e0$1d773242@CopyTech>

Right on, Terry. A year ago or so, the owner of this list established an alternate one for hi-fi, non-nak related talk. Unfortunately, lack of support and problems with the server (I think), made it dissappear. 

Sometimes we go out of the main idea here and that's ok, but, when everybody insist on keep on going "out of the tracks", well,  it surely gets annoying.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TERRY FINN 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 2:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


  YUk
  I thought this was a Nakamichi info message board, not an "My HI Fi's bigger and better than your's" ego massage centre!

  Sorry for the moan but some of these postings are really starting to crowd the nasal 
  passages, guys can we keep with the program!!

  Terry

  POKEMONOJEFF <pokemonoman at mac.com> wrote:
    THANX FOR SPEAKING OUT IN THIS WAY...I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SAID IT: "THE
    ENJOYMENT OF THE MUSIC"
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Thu Oct  7 16:50:37 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:50:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007102239.019b2480@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEKECEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Derrick - reading below, the key feature you are looking for is Playback
Azymuth control - as this will enable you to get the best out of tapes
recorded on other decks. The best deck for this is Dragon with its NAAC.
However, decks like CR7, DR1, Cassette Deck 1 also offer that feature in the
form of manual adjustment, the latter two for much less money.

In order to get the best sound while recording for playback on same deck,
Dragon and CR7 would be the best from the list above. They will also be the
most expensive ones, and perhaps the most expensive to maintain. However, I
would be hard pressed not to buy a deck with a built in calibration system
(which both Dragon and CR7 have).

ZX-9 is a wonderful deck (yet no playback azymuth). RX-505 is a feast to
one's eyes due to its unique auto-reverse, however it lacks both recording
calibration and azymuth control features - more or less BX-300 with
unidirectional auto-reverse.

If it were me, I would go for the Dragon. My $0.02 ...

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:28 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?


OK, just unloaded a NAD C541 and a bunch of old board games, and I'm ready
to buy.
I am looking for the following priorities.
1. Playback of prerecorded tapes.
2. Playback of tapes recorded by high quality non-Nak decks.
3. Recording for playback on same deck.
4. Playback of tapes recorded by inferior decks (tape trading days)

Reliability is also an issue.  I don't want to have to ship the thing off
to get fixed constantly.  Surprisingly it seems CR7s have more problems
than Dragons.

I know the early CR7s have idler problems and equalizer problems, I'd like
to avoid that.
Any Dragon models that should be avoided?

Does the ZX-9 or RX-505 give the above two a challenge?

Thanks for any advice you can offer.

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Oct  7 17:49:24 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu,  7 Oct 2004 11:49:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV16LSAQV6uP00001e0d@hotmail.com>
References: <s1651dbf.072@mroute.sunint.co.za>
	<BAY18-DAV16LSAQV6uP00001e0d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1097164164.4165658444ccc@mail.ce.net>

And probably based on a cheap Philip CD transport.

John T.

Quoting Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>:

> Hi Marc,
> 
> Try only to listen, very carefully and with a lot of time + various type of
> 
> YOUR Cd's, a Naim's CD-3 the last one recently launched to the marked cost 
> near 8,000 UK pounds, after that write me your impressions...Please!!! 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> To: <pokemonoman at mac.com>; <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
> 
> 
> > Nice post PMJ,
> >
> > Thanks for the recommendations too.  I must say, that CDs for me are
> > also a source of non-critical listening - and that's not to say that
> > many of them are not really excellent.  I suppose it's partly because
> > they are the default medium of the moment....
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >>>> pokemonoman at mac.com 10/06/04 06:54PM >>>
> > AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
> > FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
> > THE
> > MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
> > FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
> > ANY
> > DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
> > LIKE
> > STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
> > UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
> > CLOSELY....
> >
> > ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
> > AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
> > ENOUGH,
> > I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
> > ALL
> > ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
> > COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
> > THE
> > CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
> > AWAY
> > IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
> > AND
> > TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
> > ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
> > PROJECTS
> > THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
> > I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
> > CALLED
> > "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
> > "LITTLE
> > BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
> > EXISTED
> > NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
> > FORMAT AS
> > MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
> > STEREO
> > UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
> >
> > oh yeah,
> > I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
> > NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
> > I'LL
> > PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
> > I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO AZIMUTH
> > IN
> > THE PLAYBACK MODE!!
> >
> > THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO
> > STICK
> > TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...
> >
> > PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"
> >
> >
> > on 10/2/04 9:39 AM, george valkov at george.valkov at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> I hate stepping into the eternal digital vs. analog debacle, but I
> >> can't help myself on this one.
> >>
> >> IMHO, the first major issue of importance is the quality of the
> >> recording/mastering/production process, both for vinyl and CD. No
> > one
> >> can convince me that a bad vinyl pressing of a crappy recording will
> >> by definition sound better than the CD. That has always been my main
> >> "bone of content" when going into LP vs CD comparisons - I have a
> >> close friend with whom we have a sort of challenge - he's gone for
> >> top-end vinyl (Michell Orbe with all bells and whistles/SME V/ VdH
> >> Colibri/Tom Evans "The Groove") with solid state amplification (top
> >> YBA), I've gone top-end CD (EMM Labs transport plus DAC) with
> >> tube/valve amplification (custom-built passive preamp plus various
> >> monoblocs, incl. Conrad-Johnson, BAT, etc.). How can you compare a
> >> 200g MFSL or other audiophile LP pressing to a run-of-the-mill CD ?
> >> Depending on choice of material AND data carrier we have been able
> > to
> >> make strong cases both for vinyl and for CD - an XRCD of Victor
> >> Feldman through my system completely blew away a normal vinyl
> > pressing
> >> of same album on my friend's system and vice versa in other
> > instances.
> >> I have to agree that the quality of most CDs is inferior, presumably
> >> because at time of recording/production everyone thought "digital is
> >> so good we don't need to pay much attention to the process" - but I
> >> cannot agree to generalise that conclusion for absolutely each and
> >> every case. I've long given up on theoretical disputes about
> > formats,
> >> I now rely solely on my senses - if I like the way it sounds, it's
> >> good, regardless whether it's CD, LP, SACD, WAV from my Creative
> >> Jukebox, etc. (well I can't really accept MP3 or AAC, or whatever
> >> other compressed crap is available, but that's just me).
> >>
> >> As always, what matters in the end is enjoying the music, the rest
> > is
> >> just a nice way to pass the time in friendly disputes with fellow
> >> 'natics.
> >>
> >> Enjoy the weekend and the music !
> >>
> >> George
> >> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300, Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt>
> > wrote:
> >>> Hi Alex,
> >>>
> >>> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to
> > sound close
> >>> to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player)
> > sounds and
> >>> how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players.
> > Even good,
> >>> from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much
> > closer to
> >>> real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many
> > opportunities
> >>> to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.
> >>>
> >>> Have a great weekend!
> >>>
> >>> Tadas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
> >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
> >>>
> >>> Hi Neil,
> >>>
> >>> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last
> > Naim
> >>> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i
> > remember well
> >>> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a
> > "Completely
> >>> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided
> > after!!!!
> >>>
> >>> Happy listening...!
> >>>
> >>> ALEX!
> >>
> >
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> > AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
> > FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
> > THE
> > MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
> > FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
> > ANY
> > DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
> > LIKE
> > STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
> > UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
> > CLOSELY....
> >
> > ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
> > AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
> > ENOUGH,
> > I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
> > ALL
> > ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
> > COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
> > THE
> > CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
> > AWAY
> > IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
> > AND
> > TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
> > ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
> > PROJECTS
> > THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
> > I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
> > CALLED
> > "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
> > "LITTLE
> > BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
> > EXISTED
> > NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
> > FORMAT AS
> > MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
> > STEREO
> > UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
> >
> > oh yeah,
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Oct  7 17:57:31 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu,  7 Oct 2004 11:57:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007102239.019b2480@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <20041007124807.59343.qmail@web60303.mail.yahoo.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041007102239.019b2480@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <1097164651.4165676ba403c@mail.ce.net>

A ReVox B215

John T.

Quoting Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>:

> OK, just unloaded a NAD C541 and a bunch of old board games, and I'm ready 
> to buy.
> I am looking for the following priorities.
> 1. Playback of prerecorded tapes.
> 2. Playback of tapes recorded by high quality non-Nak decks.
> 3. Recording for playback on same deck.
> 4. Playback of tapes recorded by inferior decks (tape trading days)
> 
> Reliability is also an issue.  I don't want to have to ship the thing off 
> to get fixed constantly.  Surprisingly it seems CR7s have more problems 
> than Dragons.
> 
> I know the early CR7s have idler problems and equalizer problems, I'd like 
> to avoid that.
> Any Dragon models that should be avoided?
> 
> Does the ZX-9 or RX-505 give the above two a challenge?
> 
> Thanks for any advice you can offer.
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Oct  7 18:22:24 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:22:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belts?
In-Reply-To: <s1657876.049@mroute.sunint.co.za>
References: <s1657876.049@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007122144.01a05040@psulias.psu.edu>

Is the Dragon belt driven or direct driven?



From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Thu Oct  7 18:23:37 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:23:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682 ZX available 
References: <20041007124807.59343.qmail@web60303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002701c4ac8a$001d48c0$a91c0cd0@r7g1f8>

How much are you asking?

Randall in Seattle 
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  Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682 ZX available 


  I have a Nakamichi 682 ZX available for sale if anyone is interested.   It is in very good cosmetic condition and appears to work OK although not used for a while.   I upgraded (if there is such a thing) to a CR7E.   Let me know if you are interested.


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From flifton at mac.com  Thu Oct  7 19:04:40 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:04:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] playback tweaks
Message-ID: <FA1A7174-1882-11D9-88D3-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
Here's a question about setting up a deck for playback. My tape 
collection consists of Maxell's and TDK's of all stripes from the late 
seventies to the 90's. The overwhelming majority of them were vinyl 
recorded on my old Sony TC-K81 (I apologize for even mentioning the "S" 
word in this group). My question is this: what would be the best way to 
set up my LX3 as playback deck for these old tapes? Is there a way to 
tweak alignment to match another deck's recordings? I still have the 
old Sony, though it no longer runs.

There. An on-topic post with NO YELLING.

cheers,
Fred



From ti at amb.org  Thu Oct  7 21:03:11 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belts?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007122144.01a05040@psulias.psu.edu> from "Derrick
	Beckner" at Oct 07, 2004 12:22:24 PM
Message-ID: <20041007190311.48143D5CC@smtp.amb.org>

Derrick Beckner writes:
> Is the Dragon belt driven or direct driven?

The Dragon has five motors.

The two capstans are each directly driven by its own motor,
the reels are driven by a separate motor via an idler, the
azimuth adjustment has a motor, and there is a motor for the
tape head transport mechanism.  There is one belt -- to drive
the optical shutter which triggers the 4-digit tape counter.

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From ti at amb.org  Thu Oct  7 21:06:08 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:06:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <005501c4ac9e$618171e0$1d773242@CopyTech> from "El Magnifico" at
	Oct 07, 2004 11:49:21 AM
Message-ID: <20041007190608.CD4E1D5CC@smtp.amb.org>

El Magnifico writes:
> Right on, Terry. A year ago or so, the owner of this list established an =
> alternate one for hi-fi, non-nak related talk. Unfortunately, lack of sup=
> port and problems with the server (I think), made it dissappear.=20
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> Sometimes we go out of the main idea here and that's ok, but, when everyb=
> ody insist on keep on going "out of the tracks", well,  it surely gets an=
> noying.

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Oct  7 20:26:56 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:26:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <1097164651.4165676ba403c@mail.ce.net>
References: <20041007124807.59343.qmail@web60303.mail.yahoo.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041007102239.019b2480@psulias.psu.edu>
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I know this may sound shallow, but those things are butt ugly.  Whatever I 
get has to pass the wife appearance test.  Plus I've been very happy with 
all the Nakamichi stuff I've had over the years.

At 11:57 AM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
>A ReVox B215
>
>John T.




From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Oct  7 20:33:51 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:33:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
Message-ID: <20041007183351.CGBH3869.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

John, 

I recently had a CR-7A hurt itself just by having the tape wrap around the right pinch roller.  So, I can attest to the delicacy of the mechanism.  However, I've never heard a recorder perform its function more admirably either.  It was a breeze!!

Considering all of what I just wrote, I am also considering the Revox B215 because I hear they are built like a rock.

Is this correct?

Sadly, I don't have the kind of money that some have here and cannot afford more than one deck.
> 
> From: jmtooley at ce.net
> Date: 2004/10/07 Thu AM 11:57:31 EDT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
> 
> A ReVox B215
> 
> John T.
> 
> Quoting Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>:
> 
> > OK, just unloaded a NAD C541 and a bunch of old board games, and I'm ready 
> > to buy.
> > I am looking for the following priorities.
> > 1. Playback of prerecorded tapes.
> > 2. Playback of tapes recorded by high quality non-Nak decks.
> > 3. Recording for playback on same deck.
> > 4. Playback of tapes recorded by inferior decks (tape trading days)
> > 
> > Reliability is also an issue.  I don't want to have to ship the thing off 
> > to get fixed constantly.  Surprisingly it seems CR7s have more problems 
> > than Dragons.
> > 
> > I know the early CR7s have idler problems and equalizer problems, I'd like 
> > to avoid that.
> > Any Dragon models that should be avoided?
> > 
> > Does the ZX-9 or RX-505 give the above two a challenge?
> > 
> > Thanks for any advice you can offer.
> > 
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Oct  7 20:48:06 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:48:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEKECEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007102239.019b2480@psulias.psu.edu>
	<BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEKECEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007144709.01959868@psulias.psu.edu>

How do the DR-1 and CD-1 compare to the Dragon/Cr-7 on playback alone?

At 10:50 AM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
>Derrick - reading below, the key feature you are looking for is Playback
>Azymuth control - as this will enable you to get the best out of tapes
>recorded on other decks. The best deck for this is Dragon with its NAAC.
>However, decks like CR7, DR1, Cassette Deck 1 also offer that feature in the
>form of manual adjustment, the latter two for much less money.
>
>In order to get the best sound while recording for playback on same deck,
>Dragon and CR7 would be the best from the list above. They will also be the
>most expensive ones, and perhaps the most expensive to maintain. However, I
>would be hard pressed not to buy a deck with a built in calibration system
>(which both Dragon and CR7 have).
>
>ZX-9 is a wonderful deck (yet no playback azymuth). RX-505 is a feast to
>one's eyes due to its unique auto-reverse, however it lacks both recording
>calibration and azymuth control features - more or less BX-300 with
>unidirectional auto-reverse.
>
>If it were me, I would go for the Dragon. My $0.02 ...
>
>Stan
>
>-




From shashalou50 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 22:00:56 2004
From: shashalou50 at yahoo.com (shasha lou)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:00:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] nak 480 play problems
Message-ID: <20041007200056.59762.qmail@web53402.mail.yahoo.com>

The take up spool on my Nakamichi 480 seems to have a
mind of its own and only engages sporadically.  No
series of entries on the controls seems to help, but
when it wants to start, it starts.  Can anyone suggest
a trouble shoot routine?

john


		
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From bhonhoff at dds.nl  Thu Oct  7 22:56:35 2004
From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff)
Date: Thu,  7 Oct 2004 22:56:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Problems with head-lever
In-Reply-To: <FA1A7174-1882-11D9-88D3-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
References: <FA1A7174-1882-11D9-88D3-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1097182595.4165ad83b6c3c@webmail.dds.nl>

hi,

I'm a proud collector of old Naks.

My 480Z, 580 and 582 all have the same problem.
If you press [play] the heads-lever goes up, but not completely.
If you 'help' the lever to go to the top, they run fine.

Since these are 'old' long time stored recorders I presume it is a matter of 
long-time not used. Is there another way to get them to work properly again?

thanks

bart


From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Oct  8 00:09:53 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:09:53 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 CD-1
Message-ID: <000e01c4acba$60039ac0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Derrick,

I have a Dragon and CR-7, both rebuilt by ESL, both exquisite on playback and record.  I also have two CD-1s, both alligned by Kannan of this forum ( I also had another, but sold it).  I use the CD-1s exclusively for playback, and because of the manual playback azimuth adjustment they are audibly very fine, but not quite as good as the Dragon or CR-7.  The DR-1 is essentially a CD-1 wraped in a more classic Nak skin.

I must say though, that for playback, my pristine 670ZX is as good as the Dragon and CR-7 as long as the tapes were  recorded on properly alligned machines.  It also has auto record azimuth adjustment, and is one the best looking Naks ever.

Robert Kent

Derrick wrote:
How do the DR-1 and CD-1 compare to the Dragon/Cr-7 on playback alone?
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Oct  8 03:38:25 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:38:25 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
References: <20041007183351.CGBH3869.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <004201c4acd7$81625db0$6e773242@CopyTech>

The main advantage of the Revoxes are parts and service availability. They
are reliable and all Revox are mirror image of their pro cousins: Studer.
Well, I see everyday 40 years old G - 36 and A-77 open reel decks from Revox
still running with all parts available. I'm sure that wouldn't be the case
for most of the Naks, unfortunately. I discarded a 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL just
because of that.

Carlos

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From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?


> John,
>
> I recently had a CR-7A hurt itself just by having the tape wrap around the
right pinch roller.  So, I can attest to the delicacy of the mechanism.
However, I've never heard a recorder perform its function more admirably
either.  It was a breeze!!
>
> Considering all of what I just wrote, I am also considering the Revox B215
because I hear they are built like a rock.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Sadly, I don't have the kind of money that some have here and cannot
afford more than one deck.
> >
> > From: jmtooley at ce.net
> > Date: 2004/10/07 Thu AM 11:57:31 EDT
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
> >
> > A ReVox B215
> >
> > John T.
> >
> > Quoting Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>:
> >
> > > OK, just unloaded a NAD C541 and a bunch of old board games, and I'm
ready
> > > to buy.
> > > I am looking for the following priorities.
> > > 1. Playback of prerecorded tapes.
> > > 2. Playback of tapes recorded by high quality non-Nak decks.
> > > 3. Recording for playback on same deck.
> > > 4. Playback of tapes recorded by inferior decks (tape trading days)
> > >
> > > Reliability is also an issue.  I don't want to have to ship the thing
off
> > > to get fixed constantly.  Surprisingly it seems CR7s have more
problems
> > > than Dragons.
> > >
> > > I know the early CR7s have idler problems and equalizer problems, I'd
like
> > > to avoid that.
> > > Any Dragon models that should be avoided?
> > >
> > > Does the ZX-9 or RX-505 give the above two a challenge?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any advice you can offer.
> > >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Oct  8 01:08:16 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:16 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Remote control for Dragon
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6D8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Basically Christos, the RM-15 is used on the auto-reverse models (Dragon,
RX505). I do not know too much about the RM-20 but if you want to source one
try E-bay, they rarely pop-up on E-bay but keep trying. Good choice of Naks,
wish I had a Dragon & CR7.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Christos Kokkolis [mailto:kokkolis at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, 8 October 2004 12:39
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Remote control for Dragon


Dear All,
 
I have just joined your amazing group and I have been impressed by how much
I've learnt about Nacs that I didn't know during the last 7 years I had my
DR-2. 
 
Finally, I am about to become a proud owner of a CR-7 and of a Dragon. I am
trying to find a remote control RM-20 for the Dragon but it's been proving a
rather difficult task. I have located an RM-15 instead that from the
pictures looks not that dissimilar to an RM-20.
 
As I am not very familiar with these remotes, could an expert suggest
whether an RM-15 is indeed suitable for a Dragon and what the differences
between the RM-20 and the RM-15 are ?
 
Thanks a lot.
 
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Oct  8 01:10:51 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:10:51 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belts?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6D9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Dragon has no belts for the Capstains, they are driven by 2 direct drive
motors. The only belts in the unit are for the Cam motor and the motion
sensor wheel.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Derrick Beckner [mailto:dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu]
Sent: Friday, 8 October 2004 2:22
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belts?


Is the Dragon belt driven or direct driven?

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Oct  8 01:21:08 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:21:08 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Problems with head-lever
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6DA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

My guess Bart would be the Cam motor belt that connects the Cam motor to
your ....Cam. If it is slipping then the required torque will not be there
and the head block will need assistance. Try replacing the belt, it's a tiny
belt that sits on the right hand side of the mechanism (looking at the
mechanism from the top sitting in front of the unit). You can spot it when
you engage any of the modes of your deck you will see the motor and cam turn
do the appropriate position.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: bart honhoff [mailto:bhonhoff at dds.nl]
Sent: Friday, 8 October 2004 6:57
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Problems with head-lever


hi,

I'm a proud collector of old Naks.

My 480Z, 580 and 582 all have the same problem.
If you press [play] the heads-lever goes up, but not completely.
If you 'help' the lever to go to the top, they run fine.

Since these are 'old' long time stored recorders I presume it is a matter of

long-time not used. Is there another way to get them to work properly again?

thanks

bart
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Oct  8 08:58:10 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:58:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
Message-ID: <s16656a5.098@mroute.sunint.co.za>

It's my opinion that the playback of the DR-1 and Cassette Deck One
sound very pure, solid and entended in the frequency extremes and,
albeit with more work put into it by the operator, are the match of the
Dragon.  The CR-7 however has a certain crystalline clarity that's takes
the sound en enth of a degree further.  This is especially noticable in
the recording mode.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 10/07/04 08:48PM >>>
How do the DR-1 and CD-1 compare to the Dragon/Cr-7 on playback alone?

At 10:50 AM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
>Derrick - reading below, the key feature you are looking for is
Playback
>Azymuth control - as this will enable you to get the best out of
tapes
>recorded on other decks. The best deck for this is Dragon with its
NAAC.
>However, decks like CR7, DR1, Cassette Deck 1 also offer that feature
in the
>form of manual adjustment, the latter two for much less money.
>
>In order to get the best sound while recording for playback on same
deck,
>Dragon and CR7 would be the best from the list above. They will also
be the
>most expensive ones, and perhaps the most expensive to maintain.
However, I
>would be hard pressed not to buy a deck with a built in calibration
system
>(which both Dragon and CR7 have).
>
>ZX-9 is a wonderful deck (yet no playback azymuth). RX-505 is a feast
to
>one's eyes due to its unique auto-reverse, however it lacks both
recording
>calibration and azymuth control features - more or less BX-300 with
>unidirectional auto-reverse.
>
>If it were me, I would go for the Dragon. My $0.02 ...
>
>Stan
>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Oct  8 09:00:58 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:00:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
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I like the B 710 for looks.  Mind you, I think bulldogs are utterly
huggable!!!

Cheers,

MH



>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 10/07/04 08:26PM >>>
I know this may sound shallow, but those things are butt ugly. 
Whatever I 
get has to pass the wife appearance test.  Plus I've been very happy
with 
all the Nakamichi stuff I've had over the years.

At 11:57 AM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
>A ReVox B215
>
>John T.


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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Thu Oct  7 23:41:47 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:41:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007144709.01959868@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEKKCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

That's a very good question ... Given a tape recorded on a deck of your
choice, 1000ZXL, CR7, ZX-9, etc., can you tell the difference when playing
back on DR1/CD1 vs. Dragon/CR7?

>From the head performance perspective I would say all should be the same.
Head azimuth, well, it is adjustable on all - Dragon does it automatically,
and continuously. Electronics, well, this may be a never ending debate. The
only thing that comes to mind is the tape drive system. Both CR7 and Dragon
have a more stable direct drive system, compared to DR1/CD1's belt drive
system. So, for example, playing piano music, you might potentially hear
[more] W&F distortion on CD1 when compared to Dragon.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 1:48 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?


How do the DR-1 and CD-1 compare to the Dragon/Cr-7 on playback alone?

At 10:50 AM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
>Derrick - reading below, the key feature you are looking for is Playback
>Azymuth control - as this will enable you to get the best out of tapes
>recorded on other decks. The best deck for this is Dragon with its NAAC.
>However, decks like CR7, DR1, Cassette Deck 1 also offer that feature in
the
>form of manual adjustment, the latter two for much less money.
>
>In order to get the best sound while recording for playback on same deck,
>Dragon and CR7 would be the best from the list above. They will also be the
>most expensive ones, and perhaps the most expensive to maintain. However, I
>would be hard pressed not to buy a deck with a built in calibration system
>(which both Dragon and CR7 have).
>
>ZX-9 is a wonderful deck (yet no playback azymuth). RX-505 is a feast to
>one's eyes due to its unique auto-reverse, however it lacks both recording
>calibration and azymuth control features - more or less BX-300 with
>unidirectional auto-reverse.
>
>If it were me, I would go for the Dragon. My $0.02 ...
>
>Stan
>
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  7 23:51:48 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:51:48 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Remote control for Dragon
Message-ID: <BAY22-F317GIBjhyMVY00023a10@hotmail.com>


Hi Christos,

As far as I know, the RM-15 cannot control the Dragon, only the RX505, RX303 
and RX202 decks. You'll just have to be patient and look for a RM-20, they 
do come up every so often on Ebay.

>Dear All,
>
>I have just joined your amazing group and I have been impressed by how much 
>I've learnt about Nacs that I didn't know during the last 7 years I had my 
>DR-2.
>
>Finally, I am about to become a proud owner of a CR-7 and of a Dragon. I am 
>trying to find a remote control RM-20 for the Dragon but it's been proving 
>a rather difficult task. I have located an RM-15 instead that from the 
>pictures looks not that dissimilar to an RM-20.
>
>As I am not very familiar with these remotes, could an expert suggest 
>whether an RM-15 is indeed suitable for a Dragon and what the differences 
>between the RM-20 and the RM-15 are ?
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>Christos

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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  8 00:06:13 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 22:06:13 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
Message-ID: <BAY22-F33ukkwu1BtWd00021544@hotmail.com>


Hi Derrick,

Stan is absolutely right. If you want to ensure the most compatibility with 
other pre-recorded tapes from other machines/people, get a Dragon.

However, if your priority is recording your own tapes then it's a different 
matter. Just let me briefly share my own experiences. My priority was to 
have a Nak to record my own stuff and then play them back on my other Naks 
ad most importantly, my Nak in the car. So I chose the CR-7E (E for European 
240V). I also chose a RX-505E as I wanted to record long radio 
programmes/songs and the Dragon could only record in one direction, not 
both. These tapes are then played back on the source Naks or a BX-300, CD1.5 
(without azimuth of CD1 but otherwise identical sonically). Comparing the 
sound of them the CR-7 comes first, followed by RX-505 then the BX300 and 
CD1.5 is more or less equal. However, depending on how revealing the rest of 
your hi-fi chain is, the differences between the CR-7 and RX-505 may not be 
so obvious, but the difference between the CD1.5 and the CR-7/RX-505 is much 
more obvious. So go for the Dragon/CR-7 if you can as the DR-1/CD-1 will not 
be in quite the same league.

Kelvin.


>How do the DR-1 and CD-1 compare to the Dragon/Cr-7 on playback alone?
>
>At 10:50 AM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
>>Derrick - reading below, the key feature you are looking for is Playback 
>>Azymuth control - as this will enable you to get the best out of tapes 
>>recorded on other decks. The best deck for this is Dragon with its NAAC. 
>>However, decks like CR7, DR1, Cassette Deck 1 also offer that feature in 
>>the form of manual adjustment, the latter two for much less money. In 
>>order to get the best sound while recording for playback on same deck, 
>>Dragon and CR7 would be the best from the list above. They will also be 
>>the most expensive ones, and perhaps the most expensive to maintain. 
>>However, I would be hard pressed not to buy a deck with a built in 
>>calibration system (which both Dragon and CR7 have). ZX-9 is a wonderful 
>>deck (yet no playback azymuth). RX-505 is a feast to one's eyes due to its 
>>unique auto-reverse, however it lacks both recording calibration and 
>>azymuth control features - more or less BX-300 with unidirectional 
>>auto-reverse. If it were me, I would go for the Dragon. My $0.02 ...

Stan

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  8 00:46:06 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:46:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <BAY2-F4OJrzF5ldfZWj00005259@hotmail.com>

Hey Terry!

I think you have too much mucus in the 'ol shnozola!.....Lighten up dude!

>From: TERRY FINN <tpfinn at btinternet.com>
>Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette 
>Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:11:10 +0100 (BST)
>
>YUk
>I thought this was a Nakamichi info message board, not an "My HI Fi's 
>bigger and better than your's" ego massage centre!
>
>Sorry for the moan but some of these postings are really starting to crowd 
>the nasal
>passages, guys can we keep with the program!!
>
>Terry
>
>POKEMONOJEFF <pokemonoman at mac.com> wrote:
>THANX FOR SPEAKING OUT IN THIS WAY...I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SAID IT: "THE
>ENJOYMENT OF THE MUSIC"
>
>I AM NOT TOO BIG A FAN OF ANYTHING THAYT TENDS TO GET IN THE WAY OF 
>ENJOYING
>
>THE MUSIC. SOMETIMES, IT IS TRUE, ENJOYING THE MUSIC AND A "HI-FI"
>EXPERIENCE CAN CO-EXIST BEAUTIFULLY.
>SOMETIMES A MINT CONDITION KLH COMPACT 24 OR 20 SYSTEM IS JUST RIGHT.
>OTHER TIMES IT JUST ISN'T ENOUGH.
>
>I LIKE PLAYING 7" 45'S ON SYSTEMS WHERE IT SOUNDS "JUST RIGHT"
>
>SOMETIMES I PLAY MY MORE LIKE MINT CONDITION 7" 45'S ON MY CLEAR
>AUDIO/SOUTHER TRI QUARTZ III SIGNATURE SILVER CLEAR AUDIO V.P.I. MARK II 
>SET
>UP AND IT'S REAL NICE AND AT OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST TO REVEALING.
>
>I THINK THE ANSWER THERE WOULD BE3 ONBE OF THOSE MONO GRADO CARTRIUDGEWS OR
>EVEN THAT CRAZY, CRAZY $5,000.00 LYRA ARCHIVE MONO MOVING COIL...
>BUT THAT COMES LATER, I CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW!!!
>
>PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A WOMAN...."
>
>
>on 10/6/04 4:33 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
>
> > It's a fair point, Jeff - what matters is the enjoyment of the music and
> > sometimes, just sometimes, bits of the hi fi system can get in the way 
>of
> > that. I think, for example, of some poorly recorded CD's that I have -
> > listen to them on an accurate set up and they sound horrible! Listen to
> > them on a much less accurate system, may be one that colours with 
>inaccurate
> > warmth, and the CDs become rather enjoyable! I know a guy who copies all
> > his favourite CDs onto cassette and listens to them on his Nakamichi ZX9
> > because he much prefers the music after it's gone through that process 
>...
> >
> > Gra'
>
>THANX FOR SPEAKING OUT IN THIS WAY...I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SAID IT: "THE
>ENJOYMENT OF THE MUSIC"
>
>I AM NOT TOO BIG A FAN OF ANYTHING THAYT TENDS TO GET IN THE WAY OF 
>ENJOYING
>
>THE MUSIC. SOMETIMES, IT IS TRUE, ENJOYING THE MUSIC AND A "HI-FI"
>EXPERIENCE CAN CO-EXIST BEAUTIFULLY.
>SOMETIMES A MINT CONDITION KLH COMPACT 24 OR 20 SYSTEM IS JUST RIGHT.
>OTHER TIMES IT JUST ISN'T ENOUGH.
>
>I LIKE PLAYING 7" 45'S ON SYSTEMS WHERE IT SOUNDS "JUST RIGHT"
>
>SOMETIMES I PLAY MY MORE LIKE MINT CONDITION 7" 45'S ON MY CLEAR
>AUDIO/SOUTHER TRI QUARTZ III SIGNATURE SILVER CLEAR AUDIO V.P.I. MARK II 
>SET
>UP AND IT'S REAL NICE AND AT OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST TO REVEALING.
>
>I THINK THE ANSWER THERE WOULD BE3 ONBE OF THOSE MONO GRADO CARTRIUDGEWS OR
>EVEN THAT CRAZY, CRAZY $5,000.00 LYRA ARCHIVE MONO MOVING COIL...
>BUT THAT COMES LATER, I CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW!!!
>
>PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A WOMAN...."
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Oct  8 02:21:54 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:21:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
Message-ID: <20041008002154.BVLC23897.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Carlos,

Thanks for the info!!  I LOVED my CR-7A but I cannot afford to buy a seperate parts deck nor send it out for repairs and as we all know, it is not cheap and often exceeds the price of a working CR-7A.  So, reliability is important to me.


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/10/07 Thu PM 09:38:25 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
> 
> The main advantage of the Revoxes are parts and service availability. They
> are reliable and all Revox are mirror image of their pro cousins: Studer.
> Well, I see everyday 40 years old G - 36 and A-77 open reel decks from Revox
> still running with all parts available. I'm sure that wouldn't be the case
> for most of the Naks, unfortunately. I discarded a 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL just
> because of that.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
> 
> 
> > John,
> >
> > I recently had a CR-7A hurt itself just by having the tape wrap around the
> right pinch roller.  So, I can attest to the delicacy of the mechanism.
> However, I've never heard a recorder perform its function more admirably
> either.  It was a breeze!!
> >
> > Considering all of what I just wrote, I am also considering the Revox B215
> because I hear they are built like a rock.
> >
> > Is this correct?
> >
> > Sadly, I don't have the kind of money that some have here and cannot
> afford more than one deck.
> > >
> > > From: jmtooley at ce.net
> > > Date: 2004/10/07 Thu AM 11:57:31 EDT
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
> > >
> > > A ReVox B215
> > >
> > > John T.
> > >
> > > Quoting Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>:
> > >
> > > > OK, just unloaded a NAD C541 and a bunch of old board games, and I'm
> ready
> > > > to buy.
> > > > I am looking for the following priorities.
> > > > 1. Playback of prerecorded tapes.
> > > > 2. Playback of tapes recorded by high quality non-Nak decks.
> > > > 3. Recording for playback on same deck.
> > > > 4. Playback of tapes recorded by inferior decks (tape trading days)
> > > >
> > > > Reliability is also an issue.  I don't want to have to ship the thing
> off
> > > > to get fixed constantly.  Surprisingly it seems CR7s have more
> problems
> > > > than Dragons.
> > > >
> > > > I know the early CR7s have idler problems and equalizer problems, I'd
> like
> > > > to avoid that.
> > > > Any Dragon models that should be avoided?
> > > >
> > > > Does the ZX-9 or RX-505 give the above two a challenge?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any advice you can offer.
> > > >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  8 01:22:54 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:22:54 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] playback tweaks
References: <FA1A7174-1882-11D9-88D3-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV18FNpyLAPD00000645@hotmail.com>

Fred,

The solution is to look forward for a Dragon in mint conditions! The unique 
NAAC systems will resolve all your problems!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <flifton at mac.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] playback tweaks


> Hi all,
> Here's a question about setting up a deck for playback. My tape collection 
> consists of Maxell's and TDK's of all stripes from the late seventies to 
> the 90's. The overwhelming majority of them were vinyl recorded on my old 
> Sony TC-K81 (I apologize for even mentioning the "S" word in this group). 
> My question is this: what would be the best way to set up my LX3 as 
> playback deck for these old tapes? Is there a way to tweak alignment to 
> match another deck's recordings? I still have the old Sony, though it no 
> longer runs.
>
> There. An on-topic post with NO YELLING.
>
> cheers,
> Fred
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  8 01:18:43 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:18:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <s1651dbf.072@mroute.sunint.co.za><BAY18-DAV16LSAQV6uP00001e0d@hotmail.com>
	<1097164164.4165658444ccc@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV18UPYeP4v800000644@hotmail.com>

Dear John,

Please!!!! Don't make from yourself a "Foul"!!! For that price be 500% sure 
that this extremely newer and expensive CD player DO NOT use a Cheap Philips 
transport! Yes I agreed that use a Philips laser... of course as always Naim 
do it!
It's similarly that a Jaguar use a "Cheap" Skoda engine!!!!!
Thinks a little bit...please John.
Thanks,

ALEX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> And probably based on a cheap Philip CD transport.
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> Try only to listen, very carefully and with a lot of time + various type 
>> of
>>
>> YOUR Cd's, a Naim's CD-3 the last one recently launched to the marked 
>> cost
>> near 8,000 UK pounds, after that write me your impressions...Please!!!
>> Thanks so much!
>>
>> ALEX!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>> To: <pokemonoman at mac.com>; <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>
>>
>> > Nice post PMJ,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the recommendations too.  I must say, that CDs for me are
>> > also a source of non-critical listening - and that's not to say that
>> > many of them are not really excellent.  I suppose it's partly because
>> > they are the default medium of the moment....
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> >>>> pokemonoman at mac.com 10/06/04 06:54PM >>>
>> > AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
>> > FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
>> > THE
>> > MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
>> > FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
>> > ANY
>> > DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
>> > LIKE
>> > STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
>> > UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
>> > CLOSELY....
>> >
>> > ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
>> > AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
>> > ENOUGH,
>> > I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
>> > ALL
>> > ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
>> > COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
>> > THE
>> > CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
>> > AWAY
>> > IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
>> > AND
>> > TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
>> > ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
>> > PROJECTS
>> > THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
>> > I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
>> > CALLED
>> > "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
>> > "LITTLE
>> > BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
>> > EXISTED
>> > NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
>> > FORMAT AS
>> > MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
>> > STEREO
>> > UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
>> >
>> > oh yeah,
>> > I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
>> > NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
>> > I'LL
>> > PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
>> > I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO AZIMUTH
>> > IN
>> > THE PLAYBACK MODE!!
>> >
>> > THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO
>> > STICK
>> > TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...
>> >
>> > PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"
>> >
>> >
>> > on 10/2/04 9:39 AM, george valkov at george.valkov at gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Guys,
>> >>
>> >> I hate stepping into the eternal digital vs. analog debacle, but I
>> >> can't help myself on this one.
>> >>
>> >> IMHO, the first major issue of importance is the quality of the
>> >> recording/mastering/production process, both for vinyl and CD. No
>> > one
>> >> can convince me that a bad vinyl pressing of a crappy recording will
>> >> by definition sound better than the CD. That has always been my main
>> >> "bone of content" when going into LP vs CD comparisons - I have a
>> >> close friend with whom we have a sort of challenge - he's gone for
>> >> top-end vinyl (Michell Orbe with all bells and whistles/SME V/ VdH
>> >> Colibri/Tom Evans "The Groove") with solid state amplification (top
>> >> YBA), I've gone top-end CD (EMM Labs transport plus DAC) with
>> >> tube/valve amplification (custom-built passive preamp plus various
>> >> monoblocs, incl. Conrad-Johnson, BAT, etc.). How can you compare a
>> >> 200g MFSL or other audiophile LP pressing to a run-of-the-mill CD ?
>> >> Depending on choice of material AND data carrier we have been able
>> > to
>> >> make strong cases both for vinyl and for CD - an XRCD of Victor
>> >> Feldman through my system completely blew away a normal vinyl
>> > pressing
>> >> of same album on my friend's system and vice versa in other
>> > instances.
>> >> I have to agree that the quality of most CDs is inferior, presumably
>> >> because at time of recording/production everyone thought "digital is
>> >> so good we don't need to pay much attention to the process" - but I
>> >> cannot agree to generalise that conclusion for absolutely each and
>> >> every case. I've long given up on theoretical disputes about
>> > formats,
>> >> I now rely solely on my senses - if I like the way it sounds, it's
>> >> good, regardless whether it's CD, LP, SACD, WAV from my Creative
>> >> Jukebox, etc. (well I can't really accept MP3 or AAC, or whatever
>> >> other compressed crap is available, but that's just me).
>> >>
>> >> As always, what matters in the end is enjoying the music, the rest
>> > is
>> >> just a nice way to pass the time in friendly disputes with fellow
>> >> 'natics.
>> >>
>> >> Enjoy the weekend and the music !
>> >>
>> >> George
>> >> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300, Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt>
>> > wrote:
>> >>> Hi Alex,
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to
>> > sound close
>> >>> to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player)
>> > sounds and
>> >>> how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players.
>> > Even good,
>> >>> from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much
>> > closer to
>> >>> real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many
>> > opportunities
>> >>> to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Have a great weekend!
>> >>>
>> >>> Tadas
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
>> >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Neil,
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last
>> > Naim
>> >>> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i
>> > remember well
>> >>> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a
>> > "Completely
>> >>> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided
>> > after!!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Happy listening...!
>> >>>
>> >>> ALEX!
>> >>
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>> > AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
>> > FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
>> > THE
>> > MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
>> > FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
>> > ANY
>> > DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
>> > LIKE
>> > STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
>> > UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
>> > CLOSELY....
>> >
>> > ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
>> > AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
>> > ENOUGH,
>> > I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
>> > ALL
>> > ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
>> > COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
>> > THE
>> > CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
>> > AWAY
>> > IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
>> > AND
>> > TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
>> > ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
>> > PROJECTS
>> > THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
>> > I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
>> > CALLED
>> > "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
>> > "LITTLE
>> > BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
>> > EXISTED
>> > NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
>> > FORMAT AS
>> > MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
>> > STEREO
>> > UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
>> >
>> > oh yeah,
>> > I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
>> > NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
>> > I'LL
>> > PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
>> > I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO AZIMUTH
>> > IN
>> > THE PLAYBACK MODE!!
>> >
>> > THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO
>> > STICK
>> > TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...
>> >
>> > PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"
>> >
>> >
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Fri Oct  8 07:42:10 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:42:10 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 imbalance
Message-ID: <p06010203bd8bd8852658@[192.168.0.7]>

The bias and rec adjustments on my 581 are not the same. The left 
channel settings will only go to around 10 below zero. Can anyone 
suggest a reason, please?

David



From george.valkov at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 10:41:47 2004
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:41:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV18UPYeP4v800000644@hotmail.com>
References: <s1651dbf.072@mroute.sunint.co.za>
	<BAY18-DAV16LSAQV6uP00001e0d@hotmail.com>
	<1097164164.4165658444ccc@mail.ce.net>
	<BAY18-DAV18UPYeP4v800000644@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <518b7b1041008014112a92a75@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Alex,

I hate to wake you up to the realities of expensive hi-fi - the price
usually has no relation whatsoever to the transport used. Even the
latest expensive CD/DVD/universal players are built around cheap
CD-ROM transports, be it Phillips or other nameless ones.

Last year I had to wait an extra six weeks for my 5-box YBA CD player,
which costs almost double the Naim you are talking about, because
their delivery of TEAC CD-ROM transports was delayed and they couldn't
put it together, since it's all manually assembled. So John may be
less of a fool than you think...

Rgds
George

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:18:43 +0200, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear John,
> 
> Please!!!! Don't make from yourself a "Foul"!!! For that price be 500% sure
> that this extremely newer and expensive CD player DO NOT use a Cheap Philips
> transport! Yes I agreed that use a Philips laser... of course as always Naim
> do it!
> It's similarly that a Jaguar use a "Cheap" Skoda engine!!!!!
> Thinks a little bit...please John.
> Thanks,
> 
> ALEX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
> 
> > And probably based on a cheap Philip CD transport.
> >
> > John T.
> >


From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  8 10:36:21 2004
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:36:21 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F4OJrzF5ldfZWj00005259@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041008083621.46155.qmail@web86502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Neil
 
Careful I might Sneeze!

neil lipes <neillipes628 at hotmail.com> wrote:Hey Terry!

I think you have too much mucus in the 'ol shnozola!.....Lighten up dude!

>From: TERRY FINN 
>Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette 
>Decks 
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:11:10 +0100 (BST)
>
>YUk
>I thought this was a Nakamichi info message board, not an "My HI Fi's 
>bigger and better than your's" ego massage centre!
>
>Sorry for the moan but some of these postings are really starting to crowd 
>the nasal
>passages, guys can we keep with the program!!
>
>Terry
>
>POKEMONOJEFF 
wrote:
>THANX FOR SPEAKING OUT IN THIS WAY...I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SAID IT: "THE
>ENJOYMENT OF THE MUSIC"
>
>I AM NOT TOO BIG A FAN OF ANYTHING THAYT TENDS TO GET IN THE WAY OF 
>ENJOYING
>
>THE MUSIC. SOMETIMES, IT IS TRUE, ENJOYING THE MUSIC AND A "HI-FI"
>EXPERIENCE CAN CO-EXIST BEAUTIFULLY.
>SOMETIMES A MINT CONDITION KLH COMPACT 24 OR 20 SYSTEM IS JUST RIGHT.
>OTHER TIMES IT JUST ISN'T ENOUGH.
>
>I LIKE PLAYING 7" 45'S ON SYSTEMS WHERE IT SOUNDS "JUST RIGHT"
>
>SOMETIMES I PLAY MY MORE LIKE MINT CONDITION 7" 45'S ON MY CLEAR
>AUDIO/SOUTHER TRI QUARTZ III SIGNATURE SILVER CLEAR AUDIO V.P.I. MARK II 
>SET
>UP AND IT'S REAL NICE AND AT OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST TO REVEALING.
>
>I THINK THE ANSWER THERE WOULD BE3 ONBE OF THOSE MONO GRADO CARTRIUDGEWS OR
>EVEN THAT CRAZY, CRAZY $5,000.00 LYRA ARCHIVE MONO MOVING COIL...
>BUT THAT COMES LATER, I CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW!!!
>
>PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A WOMAN...."
>
>
>on 10/6/04 4:33 PM, Nelson at graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
>
> > It's a fair point, Jeff - what matters is the enjoyment of the music and
> > sometimes, just sometimes, bits of the hi fi system can get in the way 
>of
> > that. I think, for example, of some poorly recorded CD's that I have -
> > listen to them on an accurate set up and they sound horrible! Listen to
> > them on a much less accurate system, may be one that colours with 
>inaccurate
> > warmth, and the CDs become rather enjoyable! I know a guy who copies all
> > his favourite CDs onto cassette and listens to them on his Nakamichi ZX9
> > because he much prefers the music after it's gone through that process 
>...
> >
> > Gra'
>
>THANX FOR SPEAKING OUT IN THIS WAY...I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SAID IT: "THE
>ENJOYMENT OF THE MUSIC"
>
>I AM NOT TOO BIG A FAN OF ANYTHING THAYT TENDS TO GET IN THE WAY OF 
>ENJOYING
>
>THE MUSIC. SOMETIMES, IT IS TRUE, ENJOYING THE MUSIC AND A "HI-FI"
>EXPERIENCE CAN CO-EXIST BEAUTIFULLY.
>SOMETIMES A MINT CONDITION KLH COMPACT 24 OR 20 SYSTEM IS JUST RIGHT.
>OTHER TIMES IT JUST ISN'T ENOUGH.
>
>I LIKE PLAYING 7" 45'S ON SYSTEMS WHERE IT SOUNDS "JUST RIGHT"
>
>SOMETIMES I PLAY MY MORE LIKE MINT CONDITION 7" 45'S ON MY CLEAR
>AUDIO/SOUTHER TRI QUARTZ III SIGNATURE SILVER CLEAR AUDIO V.P.I. MARK II 
>SET
>UP AND IT'S REAL NICE AND AT OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST TO REVEALING.
>
>I THINK THE ANSWER THERE WOULD BE3 ONBE OF THOSE MONO GRADO CARTRIUDGEWS OR
>EVEN THAT CRAZY, CRAZY $5,000.00 LYRA ARCHIVE MONO MOVING COIL...
>BUT THAT COMES LATER, I CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW!!!
>
>PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A WOMAN...."
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  8 13:04:56 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:04:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <s1651dbf.072@mroute.sunint.co.za><BAY18-DAV16LSAQV6uP00001e0d@hotmail.com><1097164164.4165658444ccc@mail.ce.net><BAY18-DAV18UPYeP4v800000644@hotmail.com>
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Hi George,

I'm 100% that you are correct. However I already listen to this "Analogue" 
sounding Naim CDS-3 unit, and regarding the price really sound so well that 
when I came home and listen again those Cd's that I take to my friends home 
to hear his newer added Naim gear, to his always Naim equipment less the 
speakers that he select the ProAc 3.8, (Power Nap-300 and the CDS-3), I went 
bed ILL..., as with my "Affordable" equipment...I loss so much information 
that is there inside the disc and I can't hear it...with his equipment 
that's another history!!!
Now I begin to "Collect" money for improve to Naim...HOW many years will 
take me...Who knows!!!!!

Thanks so much for your noble response to my letter, I really hope that John 
will NOT be angry with me?

Cheers,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Dear Alex,
>
> I hate to wake you up to the realities of expensive hi-fi - the price
> usually has no relation whatsoever to the transport used. Even the
> latest expensive CD/DVD/universal players are built around cheap
> CD-ROM transports, be it Phillips or other nameless ones.
>
> Last year I had to wait an extra six weeks for my 5-box YBA CD player,
> which costs almost double the Naim you are talking about, because
> their delivery of TEAC CD-ROM transports was delayed and they couldn't
> put it together, since it's all manually assembled. So John may be
> less of a fool than you think...
>
> Rgds
> George
>
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:18:43 +0200, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Dear John,
>>
>> Please!!!! Don't make from yourself a "Foul"!!! For that price be 500% 
>> sure
>> that this extremely newer and expensive CD player DO NOT use a Cheap 
>> Philips
>> transport! Yes I agreed that use a Philips laser... of course as always 
>> Naim
>> do it!
>> It's similarly that a Jaguar use a "Cheap" Skoda engine!!!!!
>> Thinks a little bit...please John.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ALEX
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>
>> > And probably based on a cheap Philip CD transport.
>> >
>> > John T.
>> >
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Oct  8 15:53:59 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:53:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <004201c4acd7$81625db0$6e773242@CopyTech>
References: <20041007183351.CGBH3869.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
	<004201c4acd7$81625db0$6e773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041008095342.01b6c008@psulias.psu.edu>

Does anyone have specs or a link to a manual for the ReVox?

At 09:38 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
>The main advantage of the Revoxes are parts and service availability. They
>are reliable and all Revox are mirror image of their pro cousins: Studer.
>Well, I see everyday 40 years old G - 36 and A-77 open reel decks from Revox
>still running with all parts available. I'm sure that wouldn't be the case
>for most of the Naks, unfortunately. I discarded a 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL just
>because of that.
>
>Carlos




From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Oct  8 15:59:24 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:59:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-F33ukkwu1BtWd00021544@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY22-F33ukkwu1BtWd00021544@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041008095632.01ab6f00@psulias.psu.edu>

The tape deck of the future will be powered by a Nak TA-4A receiver (remote 
operates the tape deck, even the manual playback head azimuth) through 
Klipsch Forte speakers.  Klipsch speakers will usually reveal source 
shortcomings, but on the upside, when you upgrade you really can hear the 
difference.

You guys are giving me lots of great info to consider, I really appreciate it.

At 06:06 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote:

>Hi Derrick,
>
>Stan is absolutely right. If you want to ensure the most compatibility 
>with other pre-recorded tapes from other machines/people, get a Dragon.
>
>However, if your priority is recording your own tapes then it's a 
>different matter. Just let me briefly share my own experiences. My 
>priority was to have a Nak to record my own stuff and then play them back 
>on my other Naks ad most importantly, my Nak in the car. So I chose the 
>CR-7E (E for European 240V). I also chose a RX-505E as I wanted to record 
>long radio programmes/songs and the Dragon could only record in one 
>direction, not both. These tapes are then played back on the source Naks 
>or a BX-300, CD1.5 (without azimuth of CD1 but otherwise identical 
>sonically). Comparing the sound of them the CR-7 comes first, followed by 
>RX-505 then the BX300 and CD1.5 is more or less equal. However, depending 
>on how revealing the rest of your hi-fi chain is, the differences between 
>the CR-7 and RX-505 may not be so obvious, but the difference between the 
>CD1.5 and the CR-7/RX-505 is much more obvious. So go for the Dragon/CR-7 
>if you can as the DR-1/CD-1 will not be in quite the same league.
>
>Kelvin.




From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Oct  8 16:00:33 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:00:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEKKCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007144709.01959868@psulias.psu.edu>
	<BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEKKCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041008095951.01b758b8@psulias.psu.edu>

I'd like to avoid belt driven machines.  I changed the belts on my Yamaha 
KX-690, and it was a monumental pain in the arse.

At 05:41 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
>That's a very good question ... Given a tape recorded on a deck of your
>choice, 1000ZXL, CR7, ZX-9, etc., can you tell the difference when playing
>back on DR1/CD1 vs. Dragon/CR7?
>
> >From the head performance perspective I would say all should be the same.
>Head azimuth, well, it is adjustable on all - Dragon does it automatically,
>and continuously. Electronics, well, this may be a never ending debate. The
>only thing that comes to mind is the tape drive system. Both CR7 and Dragon
>have a more stable direct drive system, compared to DR1/CD1's belt drive
>system. So, for example, playing piano music, you might potentially hear
>[more] W&F distortion on CD1 when compared to Dragon.
>
>Stan




From george.valkov at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 18:57:12 2004
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:57:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041008095342.01b6c008@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <20041007183351.CGBH3869.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
	<004201c4acd7$81625db0$6e773242@CopyTech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041008095342.01b6c008@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <518b7b104100809573274a6b5@mail.gmail.com>

Derrick,

I used to have a B215 until about six months ago. Do you just want
some information about the deck or do you actually need the manual ?
If the latter, you can buy both the user and service manuals from
www.revox.de or www.schaltungsdienst.de. If the former, I will try to
dig up something from memory if you ask me something specific.

The general points about this beauty are that it's 3-head, dual
capstan, all DD (four huge motors, one for each capstan and reel),
built like a tank, reliable, very easy to service due to parts
availability and accessible layout, universal voltage (manually
switchable after taking the back cover off), full autocalibration
(using either 3 or 4 frequencies, I've forgotten now, but unique in
comparison to the usual 400Hz and 15kHz only) and my 1985-built unit
(still with original heads) last year measured on the bench the
following FR at +1/-2 dB (pls note tighter limits compared with usual
quoted +/-3 dB):

Type I (TDK D) : 20Hz - 20kHz
Type II (TDK SA) : 20Hz - 22kHz
Type IV (TDK MA) : 20 Hz - 24kHz

You can also select manually bias and EQ, i.e. you can do the Type II
with 120 EQ trick if you wish. Can't remember the S/N ratio figures. I
do remember it weighs 9.5 kgs though -:).

Hope this has been useful.

George

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:53:59 -0400, Derrick Beckner
<dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu> wrote:
> Does anyone have specs or a link to a manual for the ReVox?
> 
> At 09:38 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
> >The main advantage of the Revoxes are parts and service availability. They
> >are reliable and all Revox are mirror image of their pro cousins: Studer.
> >Well, I see everyday 40 years old G - 36 and A-77 open reel decks from Revox
> >still running with all parts available. I'm sure that wouldn't be the case
> >for most of the Naks, unfortunately. I discarded a 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL just
> >because of that.
> >
> >Carlos
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>


From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Oct  8 16:58:33 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:58:33 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Revox Manuals
References: <20041007183351.CGBH3869.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net><004201c4acd7$81625db0$6e773242@CopyTech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041008095342.01b6c008@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <00f701c4ad47$485aa5c0$1410a8c0@TG>

Last time it was

http://www.schori.info/b200s/smdownload.htm

hope still active

Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?


> Does anyone have specs or a link to a manual for the ReVox?
>
> At 09:38 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
> >The main advantage of the Revoxes are parts and service availability.
They
> >are reliable and all Revox are mirror image of their pro cousins: Studer.
> >Well, I see everyday 40 years old G - 36 and A-77 open reel decks from
Revox
> >still running with all parts available. I'm sure that wouldn't be the
case
> >for most of the Naks, unfortunately. I discarded a 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL
just
> >because of that.
> >
> >Carlos
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Oct  8 18:43:24 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:43:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on eBay
Message-ID: <20041008164324.CJXL7557.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

No, I am not the seller but thought I would pass it along if anyone is looking for a parts deck

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5724821078&fromMakeTrack=true

Roland



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Oct  8 19:41:18 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:41:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
Message-ID: <20041008174118.DEIE7557.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Derrick,

I can concur about those Klipsch Fortes.  I recently bought a pair and now I can easily tell the differences between same type media.

As we've all stated with resounding unity, the source media is everything but we need the terrific equipment to let is loose!

Roland

> 
> From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> Date: 2004/10/08 Fri AM 09:59:24 EDT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
> 
> The tape deck of the future will be powered by a Nak TA-4A receiver (remote 
> operates the tape deck, even the manual playback head azimuth) through 
> Klipsch Forte speakers.  Klipsch speakers will usually reveal source 
> shortcomings, but on the upside, when you upgrade you really can hear the 
> difference.
> 
> You guys are giving me lots of great info to consider, I really appreciate it.
> 
> At 06:06 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
> 
> >Hi Derrick,
> >
> >Stan is absolutely right. If you want to ensure the most compatibility 
> >with other pre-recorded tapes from other machines/people, get a Dragon.
> >
> >However, if your priority is recording your own tapes then it's a 
> >different matter. Just let me briefly share my own experiences. My 
> >priority was to have a Nak to record my own stuff and then play them back 
> >on my other Naks ad most importantly, my Nak in the car. So I chose the 
> >CR-7E (E for European 240V). I also chose a RX-505E as I wanted to record 
> >long radio programmes/songs and the Dragon could only record in one 
> >direction, not both. These tapes are then played back on the source Naks 
> >or a BX-300, CD1.5 (without azimuth of CD1 but otherwise identical 
> >sonically). Comparing the sound of them the CR-7 comes first, followed by 
> >RX-505 then the BX300 and CD1.5 is more or less equal. However, depending 
> >on how revealing the rest of your hi-fi chain is, the differences between 
> >the CR-7 and RX-505 may not be so obvious, but the difference between the 
> >CD1.5 and the CR-7/RX-505 is much more obvious. So go for the Dragon/CR-7 
> >if you can as the DR-1/CD-1 will not be in quite the same league.
> >
> >Kelvin.
> 
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 

Roland



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Oct  8 19:59:53 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:59:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <518b7b104100809573274a6b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20041007183351.CGBH3869.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
	<004201c4acd7$81625db0$6e773242@CopyTech>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041008095342.01b6c008@psulias.psu.edu>
	<518b7b104100809573274a6b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041008135107.019740e0@psulias.psu.edu>

Thanks George,
that's great information.  Although you're making my choice much tougher!
There is one of these on ebay, cheap, but it sounds iffy.  No remote either.
I must say, those specs are terrific.
What happened to your B215?

At 12:57 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote:
>Derrick,
>
>I used to have a B215 until about six months ago. Do you just want
>some information about the deck or do you actually need the manual ?
>If the latter, you can buy both the user and service manuals from
>www.revox.de or www.schaltungsdienst.de. If the former, I will try to
>dig up something from memory if you ask me something specific.
>
>The general points about this beauty are that it's 3-head, dual
>capstan, all DD (four huge motors, one for each capstan and reel),
>built like a tank, reliable, very easy to service due to parts
>availability and accessible layout, universal voltage (manually
>switchable after taking the back cover off), full autocalibration
>(using either 3 or 4 frequencies, I've forgotten now, but unique in
>comparison to the usual 400Hz and 15kHz only) and my 1985-built unit
>(still with original heads) last year measured on the bench the
>following FR at +1/-2 dB (pls note tighter limits compared with usual
>quoted +/-3 dB):
>
>Type I (TDK D) : 20Hz - 20kHz
>Type II (TDK SA) : 20Hz - 22kHz
>Type IV (TDK MA) : 20 Hz - 24kHz
>
>You can also select manually bias and EQ, i.e. you can do the Type II
>with 120 EQ trick if you wish. Can't remember the S/N ratio figures. I
>do remember it weighs 9.5 kgs though -:).
>
>Hope this has been useful.
>
>George




From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  8 20:14:38 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:14:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A new joke??????
In-Reply-To: <004c01c4a81e$01050d10$6b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BD8C514D.6EE4%pokemonoman@mac.com>

I'VE DONE SOME OF THESE CASSETTE "RESTORATIONS" FOR DIGITAL 1630/COMPACT
DISC MASTERINGF MYSELF!.

I'M NOT CONFUSING MASTERING MACHINES WITH CASSETTE DUPLICATION BUT I THINK
BY USING TERMS SUCH AS CASSETTE MASTER TAPES IT IS CONFUSING FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT A TRUELY SERIOUS RECORDING CAN BE MADE UP TO
"MASTERING" QUALITY.  HOW ABOUT THIS?
FROM NOW ON USE "CASSETTE HOME MASTERING" AS A USEFUL TERM TO GET THE
MESSAGE ACROSS THAT IT IS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT ALL "MASTERING" DONE ON CASSETTE
IS MORE OR LESS FOR A LEVEL BELOW THAT OF REAL PROFESSIONAL, LIKE IN A
MASTERING FACILITY STUDIO PROFESSIONMAL, STANDARDS.
IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU GO ON EBAY OR EVEN ELSEWHERE AND SEE PEOPLE REFER TO
TECHNICS, TASCAM AND TEAC  AND EVEN SONY TC - 880-2 MACHINES AS
"PROFESSIONAL" RECORDING DECKS.
I GUESS ANOTHER WAY OF PUTTING IT IS THIS:

"DON'T FLATTER YOURSELF" BY REFERING TO THINGS LIKE "MASTERING" CASSETTE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT CASSETTE MASTERING REFRENCE YTAPES AREN'T MADE IN
MASTERING HOUSES, THEY ARE AND I HAVE BOXES OF THEM TO PROVE IT!!

OKAY, FROM NOW ON, I GUESS "CASSETTE HOME MASTERING" IS KINDA OKAY AND KINDA
HONEST. THERE ARE PROBABLY A BUNCH OF OTHER WAYS TO GET THE SAME IDEA
ACROSS.
IT IS KINDA INSULTING TO SEE PEOPLE TOUT ANY CASSETTE AS A PROFESSIOMNAL
"MASTERING" FORMAT BUT YES, I HAVE NOT MISSED THE POINT BUT I THINK OTHER
PEOPLE HAVE BY DELUDING THEMSELVES INTO THINKING THAT THE CASSDETTE IS A
PROFESSIONAL MASTERING FORMAT. FOR HOME USE OKAY, I CAN SEE THAT.
AND YES, MANY PROJECTS CAN ONLY BE MASTERED PROFESSIONALLY FROM THE
"ONLY AVAILABLE SOURCE" AND YES, THAT WOULD, UNDER CERTAIN CASES WHERE NO
OTHER EXISTING FORMAT OF A GIVEN RECORDING EXISTS, INCLUDE CASSETTES. WHY?
BECAUSE THAT ONLY COPY WOULD FALL UNDER THE CATAGORY OF "MASTER": IT IS THE
BEST SURVIVING SOURCE.

DOLBY AND AUTO AZIMUTH ARE USED IN MASTERING HOUSES, DOLBY DECODING HAS
OCCASSIONAL BEEN USED FOR THE OCCASIONAL MISGUIDED ATTEMPT AT PRODUCING A
LOW NOISE MASTER, BUT THAT IS ADMITTEDLY RARE. THERE EXISTS A KIND OF AUTO
AZIMUTHN INB MASTERING HOUSES AND I'VE SWEEN IT USED ON EVEN PROHJECTS I'VE
WORKED ON AND THAT IS THE AZIOMUTH CONTGROL SEEN MOST COMMONLY ON THE
MASTERING VERSION OF STUDER A 80 MACHINES. I ALSO OWN 1/2 30 I.P.S. MACHINES
IN MY HOME STUDIO AND YES I DO SPRING FOR THE EXPENSIVE QUANTEGY GP 9 ALL
THE TIME TO DUB EXPENSIVE AND RARE VINYL FOR BOTH MYSELF AND REISSUE
PROJECTS. CASSETTES ARE USED BY MEFOR REFERENCE ONLY, AND YES ENJOYABLE
REFERENCE ONLY. IF A PERSON DUBS A JUST OPENED FOR THE FIRST TIME MOBILE
FIDELITY VINYL UHF SGT PEPPERS ONTO A "$60.00" MAXELL EXTRA SOUPED UP METAL
CASSETTE ON YOUR PERFECTLY ALLIGNED AND RESTORED DRANGON....WELL...THAT
CASSETTE IS STILL ONLY A "REFRENCE CASSETTE". THE MOBILE FIDELITY VINYL IS
ACTUALLY THE "MASTER" UNLESS YOU'VE SOMEHOW DELUDED YOURSELF INTO THINKING
YOU CAN "IMPROVE UPON" THE MOBILE FIDELITY SOUND AND SOMEHOW ALTER YTHE
SIGNAL FED INTO YOUR NEW HOME CASSETTE MASTER. IF YOU THEN START ILEGALLY
CREATING HIGH QUALITY SLAVE CASSETTE DUPES OFF OF YOUR
NEW MAXELL $60.00 METAL CASSETTE REFERENCE THEM YEAH, IT IS A MASTER OF
SORTS BUT LIKE IN YOUR OWN HOME BOOTLEG STUDIO FACILITY!!!

NO, I'M NOT CONFUSED ON THIS ISSUE AT ALL.
BUT I THINK YOUR EMAIL IS EXCELLENT AS IT BRIN GS TO SURFACE MANY ISSUES
THAT SHOULD BE OPENLY DISCUSSED IN CASSETTE LAND

THANX AND ALL THE BEST

PMJ/LOVE THAT HISS

on 10/1/04 9:20 PM, El Magnifico at copytec at coqui.net wrote:

> Jeff, I'm sorry but perhaps you are missing the point here. We are talking
> about cassette decks, not mastering machines. I have an Studer A-80 1/2" 15
> & 30 ips for certain pro applications. I don't really think anybody is dumb
> enough to record domestic recordings on such a machine where a reel cost
> over $50.00 and gives you 1/2 hour at 30 ips. Plus, who wants an "stove" in
> a living room ? I do have a Technics 1700 for my home use and I found it
> better than my former Studer/Revox B 77 & PR 99. But again, those are open
> reel decks; not cassettes'.
> 
> Dolby & auto azymuth is completely irelevant for open reel decks depending
> on the speed and the tape you are recording, but, I'm afraid that for
> cassette applications is completely imperative if you want to obtain certain
> quality. You'll be surprised if I tell you that some restorations & new CD
> re-issues has been "rescued" from safety copies made on cassettes ... yes,
> many times my friend ...


I'VE DONE SOME OF THESE CASSETTE "RESTORATIONS" FOR DIGITAL 1630/COMPACT
DISC MASTERINGF MYSELF!.

I'M NOT CONFUSING MASTERING MACHINES WITH CASSETTE DUPLICATION BUT I THINK
BY USING TERMS SUCH AS CASSETTE MASTER TAPES IT IS CONFUSING FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT A TRUELY SERIOUS RECORDING CAN BE MADE UP TO
"MASTERING" QUALITY.  HOW ABOUT THIS?
FROM NOW ON USE "CASSETTE HOME MASTERING" AS A USEFUL TERM TO GET THE
MESSAGE ACROSS THAT IT IS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT ALL "MASTERING" DONE ON CASSETTE
IS MORE OR LESS FOR A LEVEL BELOW THAT OF REAL PROFESSIONAL, LIKE IN A
MASTERING FACILITY STUDIO PROFESSIONMAL, STANDARDS.
IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU GO ON EBAY OR EVEN ELSEWHERE AND SEE PEOPLE REFER TO
TECHNICS, TASCAM AND TEAC  AND EVEN SONY TC - 880-2 MACHINES AS
"PROFESSIONAL" RECORDING DECKS.
I GUESS ANOTHER WAY OF PUTTING IT IS THIS:

"DON'T FLATTER YOURSELF" BY REFERING TO THINGS LIKE "MASTERING" CASSETTE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT CASSETTE MASTERING REFRENCE YTAPES AREN'T MADE IN
MASTERING HOUSES, THEY ARE AND I HAVE BOXES OF THEM TO PROVE IT!!

OKAY, FROM NOW ON, I GUESS "CASSETTE HOME MASTERING" IS KINDA OKAY AND KINDA
HONEST. THERE ARE PROBABLY A BUNCH OF OTHER WAYS TO GET THE SAME IDEA
ACROSS.
IT IS KINDA INSULTING TO SEE PEOPLE TOUT ANY CASSETTE AS A PROFESSIOMNAL
"MASTERING" FORMAT BUT YES, I HAVE NOT MISSED THE POINT BUT I THINK OTHER
PEOPLE HAVE BY DELUDING THEMSELVES INTO THINKING THAT THE CASSDETTE IS A
PROFESSIONAL MASTERING FORMAT. FOR HOME USE OKAY, I CAN SEE THAT.
AND YES, MANY PROJECTS CAN ONLY BE MASTERED PROFESSIONALLY FROM THE
"ONLY AVAILABLE SOURCE" AND YES, THAT WOULD, UNDER CERTAIN CASES WHERE NO
OTHER EXISTING FORMAT OF A GIVEN RECORDING EXISTS, INCLUDE CASSETTES. WHY?
BECAUSE THAT ONLY COPY WOULD FALL UNDER THE CATAGORY OF "MASTER": IT IS THE
BEST SURVIVING SOURCE.

DOLBY AND AUTO AZIMUTH ARE USED IN MASTERING HOUSES, DOLBY DECODING HAS
OCCASSIONAL BEEN USED FOR THE OCCASIONAL MISGUIDED ATTEMPT AT PRODUCING A
LOW NOISE MASTER, BUT THAT IS ADMITTEDLY RARE. THERE EXISTS A KIND OF AUTO
AZIMUTHN INB MASTERING HOUSES AND I'VE SWEEN IT USED ON EVEN PROHJECTS I'VE
WORKED ON AND THAT IS THE AZIOMUTH CONTGROL SEEN MOST COMMONLY ON THE
MASTERING VERSION OF STUDER A 80 MACHINES. I ALSO OWN 1/2 30 I.P.S. MACHINES
IN MY HOME STUDIO AND YES I DO SPRING FOR THE EXPENSIVE QUANTEGY GP 9 ALL
THE TIME TO DUB EXPENSIVE AND RARE VINYL FOR BOTH MYSELF AND REISSUE
PROJECTS. CASSETTES ARE USED BY MEFOR REFERENCE ONLY, AND YES ENJOYABLE
REFERENCE ONLY. IF A PERSON DUBS A JUST OPENED FOR THE FIRST TIME MOBILE
FIDELITY VINYL UHF SGT PEPPERS ONTO A "$60.00" MAXELL EXTRA SOUPED UP METAL
CASSETTE ON YOUR PERFECTLY ALLIGNED AND RESTORED DRANGON....WELL...THAT
CASSETTE IS STILL ONLY A "REFRENCE CASSETTE". THE MOBILE FIDELITY VINYL IS
ACTUALLY THE "MASTER" UNLESS YOU'VE SOMEHOW DELUDED YOURSELF INTO THINKING
YOU CAN "IMPROVE UPON" THE MOBILE FIDELITY SOUND AND SOMEHOW ALTER YTHE
SIGNAL FED INTO YOUR NEW HOME CASSETTE MASTER. IF YOU THEN START ILEGALLY
CREATING HIGH QUALITY SLAVE CASSETTE DUPES OFF OF YOUR
NEW MAXELL $60.00 METAL CASSETTE REFERENCE THEM YEAH, IT IS A MASTER OF
SORTS BUT LIKE IN YOUR OWN HOME BOOTLEG STUDIO FACILITY!!!

NO, I'M NOT CONFUSED ON THIS ISSUE AT ALL.
BUT I THINK YOUR EMAIL IS EXCELLENT AS IT BRIN GS TO SURFACE MANY ISSUES
THAT SHOULD BE OPENLY DISCUSSED IN CASSETTE LAND

THANX AND ALL THE BEST

PMJ/LOVE THAT HISS



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  8 20:26:16 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:26:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] How do you record?
In-Reply-To: <002001c4aae0$5216d200$29773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BD8C5408.6EE6%pokemonoman@mac.com>


I'VE DONE THIS. IT WORKS. IT DOES GIVE YOU EXTRA "AIR" ESPECIALLY ON REALLY
BAD FORMULATION CASSETTE TAPE.

PMJ

on 10/5/04 9:36 AM, El Magnifico at copytec at coqui.net wrote:

> decoding. That gives me some extra "air" on the highs. Most of my recordings
> on the Revox B 215 (circa 90's) were done with Dolby C, but that represents
> a problem now that both of my Revox are retired.
> 
> Carlos

I'VE DONE THIS. IT WORKS. IT DOES GIVE YOU EXTRA "AIR" ESPECIALLY ON REALLY
BAD FORMULATION CASSETTE TAPE.

PMJ



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct  8 21:20:42 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:20:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV18UPYeP4v800000644@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4ad6b$e780cb60$5d61893e@oemcomputer>

Hi Alex

In fairness to John, some of the "high end" makers do use cheap transports,
esp. some of the British makers.  Meridian, for example, are renowned for
it.  I also seem to recall Stephen Sank said the same was, or had been, true
of Naim.  (I know my brother, who was a dyed in the wool Naim fan, with
active Isobareks, all the amps, bought a Wadia, not a Naim CD player.)

And as for Jaguar, the X-type is nothing more than a Ford Mondeo in a Jaguar
shaped body!   If you buy the top of the line Ford Mondeo I understand you
get the same engine, a far better spec'd car and save yourself enough money
to buy your wife a new small car as well!

Cheers

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alex Cozac
> Sent: 08 October 2004 00:19
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> Dear John,
>
> Please!!!! Don't make from yourself a "Foul"!!! For that price be
> 500% sure
> that this extremely newer and expensive CD player DO NOT use a
> Cheap Philips
> transport! Yes I agreed that use a Philips laser... of course as
> always Naim
> do it!
> It's similarly that a Jaguar use a "Cheap" Skoda engine!!!!!
> Thinks a little bit...please John.
> Thanks,
>
> ALEX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> > And probably based on a cheap Philip CD transport.
> >
> > John T.
> >
> >
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  8 23:29:02 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:29:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <004201c4acd7$81625db0$6e773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BD8C7EDE.6F94%pokemonoman@mac.com>

WOW!! YOU DISCARDED BOTH OF THOSE, THAT'S A SHAME.

THE THING IS, PARTS CAN BE CANNABLIZED SOMETIMES. TRY EBAY IN YOUR NEXT LIFE
I GUESS???

PMJ

on 10/7/04 9:38 PM, El Magnifico at copytec at coqui.net wrote:

> still running with all parts available. I'm sure that wouldn't be the case
> for most of the Naks, unfortunately. I discarded a 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL just
> because of that.
> 
> Carlos

WOW!! YOU DISCARDED BOTH OF THOSE, THAT'S A SHAME.

THE THING IS, PARTS CAN BE CANNABLIZED SOMETIMES. TRY EBAY IN YOUR NEXT LIFE
I GUESS???

PMJ



From flifton at mac.com  Fri Oct  8 23:31:06 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:31:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: playback tweaks
In-Reply-To: <200410081000.i98A0Dvw029794@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200410081000.i98A0Dvw029794@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <5CA6181E-1971-11D9-B4FE-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Thanks, Alex. I realize that, of course. However, unless the NAAC 
system also functions as a good divorce lawyer, I'm afraid it would 
cause more problems than it would solve!
On Oct 8, 2004, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

> Fred,
>
> The solution is to look forward for a Dragon in mint conditions! The 
> unique NAAC systems will resolve all your problems!
>
> Happy Listening,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lifton" <flifton at mac.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:04 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] playback tweaks
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> Here's a question about setting up a deck for playback. My tape 
>> collection consists of Maxell's and TDK's of all stripes from the 
>> late seventies to the 90's. The overwhelming majority of them were 
>> vinyl recorded on my old Sony TC-K81 (I apologize for even mentioning 
>> the "S" word in this group). My question is this: what would be the 
>> best way to set up my LX3 as playback deck for these old tapes? Is 
>> there a way to tweak alignment to match another deck's recordings? I 
>> still have the old Sony, though it no longer runs.
>>
>> There. An on-topic post with NO YELLING.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Fred



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Oct  8 23:42:57 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:42:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <20041008083621.46155.qmail@web86502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD8C8221.6FA3%pokemonoman@mac.com>


THIS MAKES SENSE OF COURSE
BUT PEOPLE BRING UP TOPICS THAT ARE RELATED TO CASSETTES.
PEOPLE COMPARE DIFFERNT MODELS OF NAKAMICHIS THAT THEY DO AND DON'T OWN.
SAME GOES FOR ANCILLIARY EQUIPMENT.

I LIKE LOW FI.
MAYBE I CAN SELL OFF MY "MY STEREO IS BIGGER THAN YOUS" GEAR TOO.

PMJ

on 10/8/04 4:36 AM, TERRY FINN at tpfinn at btinternet.com wrote:

>YUk
>I thought this was a Nakamichi info message board, not an "My HI Fi's
>bigger and better than your's" ego massage centre!
>
>Sorry for the moan but some of these postings are really starting to crowd
>the nasal
>passages, guys can we keep with the program!!
>
>Terry


THIS MAKES SENSE OF COURSE
BUT PEOPLE BRING UP TOPICS THAT ARE RELATED TO CASSETTES.
PEOPLE COMPARE DIFFERNT MODELS OF NAKAMICHIS THAT THEY DO AND DON'T OWN.
SAME GOES FOR ANCILLIARY EQUIPMENT.

I LIKE LOW FI.
MAYBE I CAN SELL OFF MY "MY STEREO IS BIGGER THAN YOUS" GEAR TOO.

PMJ

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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri Oct  8 23:44:20 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:44:20 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Storage Options
Message-ID: <d1.18376a58.2e986434@aol.com>

I've just moved and would like to get something more appealing for my 
cassette storage. Right now I'm using an old dresser but would like something smaller 
that can hold alot of cassettes. Can anyone recommend a storage unit?

Thanks, 
Anthony


From fredlf at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  8 23:46:11 2004
From: fredlf at earthlink.net (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:46:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] great analog recording
Message-ID: <781234C4-1973-11D9-9682-000D93C246E2@earthlink.net>

Hi all,
Picking up on a previous thread, if you want to hear a gorgeous analog 
master, take a listen to the new Drive-By Truckers release, "Dirty 
South." It was recorded at the legendary Muscle Shoals "Fame Recording 
Studio" on 16 track, 2 inch analog. I wish I could find out more about 
the gear, because it sounds breathtakingly good. Probably Studer?
Enjoying the old magnetic tape music,
Fred



From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct  9 06:54:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:54:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
References: <BD8C7EDE.6F94%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002401c4adbc$14adfc20$8b773242@CopyTech>

I got tired of keep expending money on a lost cause. Anyway, I got some
money from both.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "POKEMONOJEFF" <pokemonoman at mac.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?


> WOW!! YOU DISCARDED BOTH OF THOSE, THAT'S A SHAME.
>
> THE THING IS, PARTS CAN BE CANNABLIZED SOMETIMES. TRY EBAY IN YOUR NEXT
LIFE
> I GUESS???
>
> PMJ
>
> on 10/7/04 9:38 PM, El Magnifico at copytec at coqui.net wrote:
>
> > still running with all parts available. I'm sure that wouldn't be the
case
> > for most of the Naks, unfortunately. I discarded a 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL
just
> > because of that.
> >
> > Carlos
>
> WOW!! YOU DISCARDED BOTH OF THOSE, THAT'S A SHAME.
>
> THE THING IS, PARTS CAN BE CANNABLIZED SOMETIMES. TRY EBAY IN YOUR NEXT
LIFE
> I GUESS???
>
> PMJ
>
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sat Oct  9 05:32:13 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:32:13 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] 581 imbalance
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6DE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi David. I have a similar problem with my 680ZX. This could be caused by
either mechanical or electrical probs. For me it was a mechanical problem,
it was the first pinch roller (left one) and it did not engage when the unit
was in the play mode - hardened grease. This problem alone caused the levels
(left one) to drop significantly. I'm sure you have done the usual cleaning
the heads and pinch rollers routine but have a look at the heads and see if
there is anything odd on them. Try recording the test tones on a tape and
play the tape back on another unit and take note of the output levels, are
they equal or are they odd like on your 581. If they are equal then I'd say
it will be something on your playback head/electronics of your 581 and
vice-versa for odd playback levels. 

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Thompson [mailto:wontulp at zoomnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 8 October 2004 3:42
To: Naktalk
Subject: [naktalk] 581 imbalance


The bias and rec adjustments on my 581 are not the same. The left 
channel settings will only go to around 10 below zero. Can anyone 
suggest a reason, please?

David

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct  9 12:24:34 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:24:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
References: <BD8C7EDE.6F94%pokemonoman@mac.com>
	<002401c4adbc$14adfc20$8b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001701c4adea$2cb44260$0a773242@CopyTech>

Nice exposition, Pokemon. I understand your points but remember: a master is
just a master no matter what media is. There's not such thing as a
"professional master" but just "professional media" as the one you mentioned
like the 1/2", 1", 2", ADAT, DAT (mostly), PMCD, 1630, Exabyte, Hard Disc
etc ... We have media for domestic applications and media for professional
applications but in many cases we are "forced" to use them both for certain
projects. As you mentioned: when we do recopilations and re-issues most of
the time we don't have access to the original masters due to many reasons
and we have to work with 78 records, 1/4" 15 ips tapes, cassettes or even
cylinders from the turn of the 20 th century. Hence, in those cases the
"master" is not in a prefered pro-media but it's still the master in that
specific case.

The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As early as the
80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at 15 ips
sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all. Then, a little
while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips encoded with dolby
SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT became the standard
choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived. Now the hard
disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording masters but many
people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of course, you still
have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital era is growing
really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering business, 8 out
of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results ( Grammy, gold
and platinum records) the public don't even care about it. One of the most
criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years ago, were the
Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely squashed,
distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember how many grammys
and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ... And let me tell
you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the producer's
requirement (as usual).

Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their most
prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate Concert Hall
in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a usual
practice having a quartet palying classical music while recording it direct
to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master machines were ? 10
Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were then given
to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate their naks back
home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a former Nak
dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a CD. Let me
tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master has nothing to
envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each media has its
limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will never have
the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done could be a
nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.

Let's talk about masters now. We have the recording master, where we put 24
channels in a 2" analog tape or 48 channels on a 1" special digital tape
used in the digital Studers. ADATS were really popular (special vhs) but
they have been replaced by the Pro-Tools, Nuendo, Otari, etc ... all hard
disk systems. When that master is mixed down to 2 channels, we converted it
to the "original master" the one we send to the pre-mastering house on 1/2"
tape, DAT or CDR. The pre-mastering engineer convert it to a "production
master" the same one that is send to the duplicator for CD's. Usually, it is
send on 1630 (looks like a giant DAT) , 8mm Exabyte (similar to the ones
used on digital video cameras) or PMCD (PQ Master cd). The prefered choice
is the exabyte because it goes directly to the glass master cutter and it
could be cut at higher speed. The 1630 and PMCD are converted to exabyte
first and then to the glass master. Remember, for the cd manufacturer speed
and volume its all what he cares. If you are Bernie Grundman or Bob Ludwig
mastering a J LO disc, then, you could ask the master to be cut at real time
and you can even receive a sample before the production begins. For little
guys like me ... forget it ! After several steps, we obtain the "stamper": a
metal mold with the music information to be replicated. From this stamper is
where we obtain the final CD's that we later hear  on our systems. The
stamper is good for 10,000 copies or so.

In the cassette era there were 2 basic duplication systems: the bin loop and
the in-cassette duplicator. The bin loop was the best and fastest one while
the in-cassette duplicator were slower and usually with less quality but far
cheaper that the former one. The production master arrives to the tape
duplicator and then another kind of master was done: "the running master".
1/2" or 1" special tape from AGFA, later BASF were put on an endless mode
(edited) running at up to 80x times while the cassette tape pancakes were
running on several slaves. This master were later replaced by the digital
bin with a hard disk and the Dolby HX PRO were added to the slaves obtaining
a much better sound but it came way too late. About 40-50 copies came out of
each pancake depending of the lenght of the program and of the pancake
itself.

For the in-cassette duplicator, not neccesarily for "in house" pirated
copies as Pokemon suggested, the running master were done on 1/4" tape or
the prefered media was another cassette itself but of higher quality than
the copies. If you copy on normal tape your master was CRo2, and if you were
duplicating on chrome , then your master was metal and so on. The only
industrial type in-cassette duplicator capable of obtaining 20-20k on freq.
response running at 10x was the INFONICS. Hand made by a few bunch of people
in Indiana. Rugged (each slave of 4 pockets weights 85 pounds!) and the
internal topology was a 'la "Revox" with many hand picked parts and
completely modular. The others: Sony, Telex, Otari, KABA, Nakamichi MR -2
were simply Micky Mouse compared to the Infonics. Only problem: the price.
Each slave costed you the same as a bin loop slave: 7 k +.

So, in order to finish this rant, no matter what the master media is or come
from, a master is simply that: a master. No matter if it is a cassette,
1/2", DAT or CDR. The important thing is the contents and the results we can
obtain from such a media.

Carlos "aka" The Tape Man





From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Oct  9 12:28:24 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:28:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
Message-ID: <s167d971.047@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Thanks carlos,

That was fascinating and highly instructive.  Thanks for taking to the
time to write that.

Best wishes,

Marc

>>> copytec at coqui.net 10/09/04 12:24PM >>>
Nice exposition, Pokemon. I understand your points but remember: a
master is
just a master no matter what media is. There's not such thing as a
"professional master" but just "professional media" as the one you
mentioned
like the 1/2", 1", 2", ADAT, DAT (mostly), PMCD, 1630, Exabyte, Hard
Disc
etc ... We have media for domestic applications and media for
professional
applications but in many cases we are "forced" to use them both for
certain
projects. As you mentioned: when we do recopilations and re-issues most
of
the time we don't have access to the original masters due to many
reasons
and we have to work with 78 records, 1/4" 15 ips tapes, cassettes or
even
cylinders from the turn of the 20 th century. Hence, in those cases
the
"master" is not in a prefered pro-media but it's still the master in
that
specific case.

The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As early as
the
80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at 15 ips
sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all. Then, a
little
while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips encoded with
dolby
SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT became the
standard
choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived. Now the
hard
disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording masters but many
people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of course, you
still
have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital era is
growing
really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering business, 8
out
of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results ( Grammy,
gold
and platinum records) the public don't even care about it. One of the
most
criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years ago, were the
Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely squashed,
distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember how many
grammys
and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ... And let me
tell
you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the producer's
requirement (as usual).

Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their most
prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate Concert
Hall
in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a usual
practice having a quartet palying classical music while recording it
direct
to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master machines were ?
10
Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were then
given
to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate their naks
back
home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a former Nak
dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a CD. Let
me
tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master has
nothing to
envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each media has
its
limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will never
have
the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done could be
a
nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.

Let's talk about masters now. We have the recording master, where we
put 24
channels in a 2" analog tape or 48 channels on a 1" special digital
tape
used in the digital Studers. ADATS were really popular (special vhs)
but
they have been replaced by the Pro-Tools, Nuendo, Otari, etc ... all
hard
disk systems. When that master is mixed down to 2 channels, we
converted it
to the "original master" the one we send to the pre-mastering house on
1/2"
tape, DAT or CDR. The pre-mastering engineer convert it to a
"production
master" the same one that is send to the duplicator for CD's. Usually,
it is
send on 1630 (looks like a giant DAT) , 8mm Exabyte (similar to the
ones
used on digital video cameras) or PMCD (PQ Master cd). The prefered
choice
is the exabyte because it goes directly to the glass master cutter and
it
could be cut at higher speed. The 1630 and PMCD are converted to
exabyte
first and then to the glass master. Remember, for the cd manufacturer
speed
and volume its all what he cares. If you are Bernie Grundman or Bob
Ludwig
mastering a J LO disc, then, you could ask the master to be cut at real
time
and you can even receive a sample before the production begins. For
little
guys like me ... forget it ! After several steps, we obtain the
"stamper": a
metal mold with the music information to be replicated. From this
stamper is
where we obtain the final CD's that we later hear  on our systems. The
stamper is good for 10,000 copies or so.

In the cassette era there were 2 basic duplication systems: the bin
loop and
the in-cassette duplicator. The bin loop was the best and fastest one
while
the in-cassette duplicator were slower and usually with less quality
but far
cheaper that the former one. The production master arrives to the tape
duplicator and then another kind of master was done: "the running
master".
1/2" or 1" special tape from AGFA, later BASF were put on an endless
mode
(edited) running at up to 80x times while the cassette tape pancakes
were
running on several slaves. This master were later replaced by the
digital
bin with a hard disk and the Dolby HX PRO were added to the slaves
obtaining
a much better sound but it came way too late. About 40-50 copies came
out of
each pancake depending of the lenght of the program and of the pancake
itself.

For the in-cassette duplicator, not neccesarily for "in house" pirated
copies as Pokemon suggested, the running master were done on 1/4" tape
or
the prefered media was another cassette itself but of higher quality
than
the copies. If you copy on normal tape your master was CRo2, and if you
were
duplicating on chrome , then your master was metal and so on. The only
industrial type in-cassette duplicator capable of obtaining 20-20k on
freq.
response running at 10x was the INFONICS. Hand made by a few bunch of
people
in Indiana. Rugged (each slave of 4 pockets weights 85 pounds!) and
the
internal topology was a 'la "Revox" with many hand picked parts and
completely modular. The others: Sony, Telex, Otari, KABA, Nakamichi MR
-2
were simply Micky Mouse compared to the Infonics. Only problem: the
price.
Each slave costed you the same as a bin loop slave: 7 k +.

So, in order to finish this rant, no matter what the master media is or
come
from, a master is simply that: a master. No matter if it is a
cassette,
1/2", DAT or CDR. The important thing is the contents and the results
we can
obtain from such a media.

Carlos "aka" The Tape Man



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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Sat Oct  9 00:22:55 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:22:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Storage Options
In-Reply-To: <d1.18376a58.2e986434@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BD8C8B7E.6FB4%pokemonoman@mac.com>

TRY GOODWILL AND/OR SALVATIOB ARMY. THOSE OLDFASHIOBED "CASSETTE SUITCASES"
WORK VERY NICELY. AND DON'T FORGET, JUST LIKE ANY TAPE FORMAT, "STORE
VERTICALLY"!!!!

PMJ

on 10/8/04 5:44 PM, BADANTH at aol.com at BADANTH at aol.com wrote:

> I've just moved and would like to get something more appealing for my
> cassette storage. Right now I'm using an old dresser but would like something
> smaller 
> that can hold alot of cassettes. Can anyone recommend a storage unit?
> 
> Thanks, 
> Anthony


TRY GOODWILL AND/OR SALVATIOB ARMY. THOSE OLDFASHIOBED "CASSETTE SUITCASES"
WORK VERY NICELY. AND DON'T FORGET, JUST LIKE ANY TAPE FORMAT, "STORE
VERTICALLY"!!!!

PMJ



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  9 00:40:47 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:40:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <000201c4ad6b$e780cb60$5d61893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV16qJrfP6nm00003d80@hotmail.com>

Hi Graham,

Concerning the Jaguar...I "WAS" 100% sure that the "X" type is a BMW 
body/specifications...and NOT a Ford Mondeo!
But...IF...I some time...(I'm now 61 years old!), I will win a Lottery...be 
my dear Graham 100% sure that I will acquire a Jaguar and NOT a Ford Mondeo. 
I dream always to own a Jaguar car...However!!!!!!
Maybe with Meridian, but after been listening this newer CDS-3 from 
Naim...who cares is the transport is cheap or NOT...sounds so superb that I 
also dream...near 8,000 UK pounds is here in Israel...really a LOT of money!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Hi Alex
>
> In fairness to John, some of the "high end" makers do use cheap 
> transports,
> esp. some of the British makers.  Meridian, for example, are renowned for
> it.  I also seem to recall Stephen Sank said the same was, or had been, 
> true
> of Naim.  (I know my brother, who was a dyed in the wool Naim fan, with
> active Isobareks, all the amps, bought a Wadia, not a Naim CD player.)
>
> And as for Jaguar, the X-type is nothing more than a Ford Mondeo in a 
> Jaguar
> shaped body!   If you buy the top of the line Ford Mondeo I understand you
> get the same engine, a far better spec'd car and save yourself enough 
> money
> to buy your wife a new small car as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Gra'
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of Alex Cozac
>> Sent: 08 October 2004 00:19
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>
>>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> Please!!!! Don't make from yourself a "Foul"!!! For that price be
>> 500% sure
>> that this extremely newer and expensive CD player DO NOT use a
>> Cheap Philips
>> transport! Yes I agreed that use a Philips laser... of course as
>> always Naim
>> do it!
>> It's similarly that a Jaguar use a "Cheap" Skoda engine!!!!!
>> Thinks a little bit...please John.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ALEX
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>
>>
>> > And probably based on a cheap Philip CD transport.
>> >
>> > John T.
>> >
>> >
>>
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Sat Oct  9 04:54:57 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:54:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682 ZX available
In-Reply-To: <002701c4ac8a$001d48c0$a91c0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <BD8CCB41.700B%pokemonoman@mac.com>


ME TOO, ME TOO!! HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH??

MY EMAIL IS:

verifiedpaypalonly at earthlink.net

i'm very interested!!

pmj

on 10/7/04 12:23 PM, Babin/Greseth at jvbrhg at seanet.com wrote:

From: neilasimon at yahoo.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:48 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682 ZX available

I have a Nakamichi 682 ZX available for sale if anyone is interested.   It
is in very good cosmetic condition and appears to work OK although not used
for a while.   I upgraded (if there is such a thing) to a CR7E.   Let me
know if you are interested.

ME TOO, ME TOO!! HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH??

MY EMAIL IS:

verifiedpaypalonly at earthlink.net

i'm very interested!!

pmj


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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  9 05:27:05 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:27:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Revox Manuals
Message-ID: <BAY16-F36SOpD0mApR000045068@hotmail.com>

Last time I checked (a few months ago) the link was still active. The site 
has limited hours available for downloads which I believe are from about 
11:00 PM to 6:00 AM Germany time. There are other Revox links I may have 
posted in April which have similar resources but for owner's and service 
manuals the schori.info site is most comprehensive. I wish I could get 
similar info for my LX-3 and a service manual for my BX-1 as readily. I'll 
look back over my Revox links list and post the best ones I can find. 
There's a British repair site which has excellent service diagrams available 
for viewing and download. I'll post that link ASAP.

Bob

>From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Revox Manuals
>Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:58:33 +0300
>
>Last time it was
>
>http://www.schori.info/b200s/smdownload.htm
>
>hope still active
>
>Tayfur
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:53 PM
>Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
>
>
> > Does anyone have specs or a link to a manual for the ReVox?
> >
> > At 09:38 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
> > >The main advantage of the Revoxes are parts and service availability.
>They
> > >are reliable and all Revox are mirror image of their pro cousins: 
>Studer.
> > >Well, I see everyday 40 years old G - 36 and A-77 open reel decks from
>Revox
> > >still running with all parts available. I'm sure that wouldn't be the
>case
> > >for most of the Naks, unfortunately. I discarded a 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL
>just
> > >because of that.
> > >
> > >Carlos
> >
> >
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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  9 05:51:52 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:51:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Revox Manuals (more Revox links)
Message-ID: <BAY16-F23jEGuaYve5T00014bc7@hotmail.com>

Brian Reeves is the British fellow who has a lot of interesting Revox 
history and diagrams at his service center website. Also below are a couple 
of other sites with Revox info, much of which is in German. There's another 
Revox enthusiasts website which is based in Switzerland though I can't find 
the link just yet. I haven't reviewed these links except for the first one 
so they're probably working but that could have changed.

http://home.freeuk.net/revox/                     Brian Reeve's site

http://siber-sonic.com/broadcast/RevoxA77tips.html

http://www.reeltoreel.de/Revox/A77.htm     Mostly in German

Also:   www.revox.ch for corporate website

         www.revox.net           not sure if still working

Hope these are helpful,

Bob

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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  9 11:03:58 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:03:58 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
References: <BD8C7EDE.6F94%pokemonoman@mac.com><002401c4adbc$14adfc20$8b773242@CopyTech>
	<001701c4adea$2cb44260$0a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000201c4adf0$58917320$66d47ad5@oemcomputer>

Nicely put Carlos

The only thing to add is that in real time copying over here (last one, I
was involved in, used 200 very specially modified 505's, still have 8!! ) is
that with BASF chrome it was normal practice  to set tape EQ  to 120 which
tended to hold up the HF on the many and varied machines the tapes had to
play back on at that time (they would end up in various record company
offices, cars and homes as test "masters", non Dolby.

Terry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:24 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...


> Nice exposition, Pokemon. I understand your points but remember: a master
is
> just a master no matter what media is. There's not such thing as a
> "professional master" but just "professional media" as the one you
mentioned
> like the 1/2", 1", 2", ADAT, DAT (mostly), PMCD, 1630, Exabyte, Hard Disc
> etc ... We have media for domestic applications and media for professional
> applications but in many cases we are "forced" to use them both for
certain
> projects. As you mentioned: when we do recopilations and re-issues most of
> the time we don't have access to the original masters due to many reasons
> and we have to work with 78 records, 1/4" 15 ips tapes, cassettes or even
> cylinders from the turn of the 20 th century. Hence, in those cases the
> "master" is not in a prefered pro-media but it's still the master in that
> specific case.
>
> The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As early as the
> 80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at 15 ips
> sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all. Then, a little
> while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips encoded with dolby
> SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT became the
standard
> choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived. Now the hard
> disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording masters but many
> people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of course, you still
> have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital era is growing
> really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering business, 8 out
> of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results ( Grammy, gold
> and platinum records) the public don't even care about it. One of the most
> criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years ago, were the
> Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely squashed,
> distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember how many grammys
> and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ... And let me tell
> you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the producer's
> requirement (as usual).
>
> Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their most
> prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate Concert
Hall
> in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a usual
> practice having a quartet palying classical music while recording it
direct
> to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master machines were ? 10
> Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were then given
> to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate their naks back
> home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a former Nak
> dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a CD. Let me
> tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master has nothing
to
> envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each media has its
> limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will never have
> the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done could be a
> nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.
>
> Let's talk about masters now. We have the recording master, where we put
24
> channels in a 2" analog tape or 48 channels on a 1" special digital tape
> used in the digital Studers. ADATS were really popular (special vhs) but
> they have been replaced by the Pro-Tools, Nuendo, Otari, etc ... all hard
> disk systems. When that master is mixed down to 2 channels, we converted
it
> to the "original master" the one we send to the pre-mastering house on
1/2"
> tape, DAT or CDR. The pre-mastering engineer convert it to a "production
> master" the same one that is send to the duplicator for CD's. Usually, it
is
> send on 1630 (looks like a giant DAT) , 8mm Exabyte (similar to the ones
> used on digital video cameras) or PMCD (PQ Master cd). The prefered choice
> is the exabyte because it goes directly to the glass master cutter and it
> could be cut at higher speed. The 1630 and PMCD are converted to exabyte
> first and then to the glass master. Remember, for the cd manufacturer
speed
> and volume its all what he cares. If you are Bernie Grundman or Bob Ludwig
> mastering a J LO disc, then, you could ask the master to be cut at real
time
> and you can even receive a sample before the production begins. For little
> guys like me ... forget it ! After several steps, we obtain the "stamper":
a
> metal mold with the music information to be replicated. From this stamper
is
> where we obtain the final CD's that we later hear  on our systems. The
> stamper is good for 10,000 copies or so.
>
> In the cassette era there were 2 basic duplication systems: the bin loop
and
> the in-cassette duplicator. The bin loop was the best and fastest one
while
> the in-cassette duplicator were slower and usually with less quality but
far
> cheaper that the former one. The production master arrives to the tape
> duplicator and then another kind of master was done: "the running master".
> 1/2" or 1" special tape from AGFA, later BASF were put on an endless mode
> (edited) running at up to 80x times while the cassette tape pancakes were
> running on several slaves. This master were later replaced by the digital
> bin with a hard disk and the Dolby HX PRO were added to the slaves
obtaining
> a much better sound but it came way too late. About 40-50 copies came out
of
> each pancake depending of the lenght of the program and of the pancake
> itself.
>
> For the in-cassette duplicator, not neccesarily for "in house" pirated
> copies as Pokemon suggested, the running master were done on 1/4" tape or
> the prefered media was another cassette itself but of higher quality than
> the copies. If you copy on normal tape your master was CRo2, and if you
were
> duplicating on chrome , then your master was metal and so on. The only
> industrial type in-cassette duplicator capable of obtaining 20-20k on
freq.
> response running at 10x was the INFONICS. Hand made by a few bunch of
people
> in Indiana. Rugged (each slave of 4 pockets weights 85 pounds!) and the
> internal topology was a 'la "Revox" with many hand picked parts and
> completely modular. The others: Sony, Telex, Otari, KABA, Nakamichi MR -2
> were simply Micky Mouse compared to the Infonics. Only problem: the price.
> Each slave costed you the same as a bin loop slave: 7 k +.
>
> So, in order to finish this rant, no matter what the master media is or
come
> from, a master is simply that: a master. No matter if it is a cassette,
> 1/2", DAT or CDR. The important thing is the contents and the results we
can
> obtain from such a media.
>
> Carlos "aka" The Tape Man
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct 10 01:03:24 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:03:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
References: <BD8C7EDE.6F94%pokemonoman@mac.com><002401c4adbc$14adfc20$8b773242@CopyTech><001701c4adea$2cb44260$0a773242@CopyTech>
	<000201c4adf0$58917320$66d47ad5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001c01c4ae54$2f3d5110$74773242@CopyTech>

That's right, Terry. It was an standard practice to record on CRO2 with 120
eq but 70 ms bias. Remember that we were duplicating at super high speeds
with limited freq. response.

Speaking on Real Time, there were a fellow in Maine duplicating on 250 Revox
B 215 controlled by a computer interface. If you take  a look at the back of
a B 215, you'll see the connector for such parctice.

At Los Angeles, there were a fellow using 102 Nakamichis MR-2's. The place
was call AAPEX and it was really impressive. Their running masters were done
on an MCI 1/2" tape.

In England, the PINK ROOM was something else: 100 RX 505 auto reverse decks.
Amazing.

The people duplicating for Nakamichi and Mobile Fidelity were using ZX-9's.

In Puerto Rico, I used to have 50 MR-2's that some people in this list
recall me selling those when we changed to Bin Loop.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terence Finn" <Tpfinn at btinternet.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...


> Nicely put Carlos
>
> The only thing to add is that in real time copying over here (last one, I
> was involved in, used 200 very specially modified 505's, still have 8!! )
is
> that with BASF chrome it was normal practice  to set tape EQ  to 120 which
> tended to hold up the HF on the many and varied machines the tapes had to
> play back on at that time (they would end up in various record company
> offices, cars and homes as test "masters", non Dolby.
>
> Terry
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:24 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
>
>
> > Nice exposition, Pokemon. I understand your points but remember: a
master
> is
> > just a master no matter what media is. There's not such thing as a
> > "professional master" but just "professional media" as the one you
> mentioned
> > like the 1/2", 1", 2", ADAT, DAT (mostly), PMCD, 1630, Exabyte, Hard
Disc
> > etc ... We have media for domestic applications and media for
professional
> > applications but in many cases we are "forced" to use them both for
> certain
> > projects. As you mentioned: when we do recopilations and re-issues most
of
> > the time we don't have access to the original masters due to many
reasons
> > and we have to work with 78 records, 1/4" 15 ips tapes, cassettes or
even
> > cylinders from the turn of the 20 th century. Hence, in those cases the
> > "master" is not in a prefered pro-media but it's still the master in
that
> > specific case.
> >
> > The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As early as the
> > 80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at 15 ips
> > sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all. Then, a little
> > while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips encoded with
dolby
> > SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT became the
> standard
> > choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived. Now the hard
> > disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording masters but many
> > people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of course, you
still
> > have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital era is
growing
> > really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering business, 8
out
> > of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results ( Grammy,
gold
> > and platinum records) the public don't even care about it. One of the
most
> > criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years ago, were the
> > Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely squashed,
> > distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember how many
grammys
> > and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ... And let me
tell
> > you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the producer's
> > requirement (as usual).
> >
> > Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their most
> > prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate Concert
> Hall
> > in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a usual
> > practice having a quartet palying classical music while recording it
> direct
> > to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master machines were ?
10
> > Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were then
given
> > to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate their naks
back
> > home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a former Nak
> > dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a CD. Let
me
> > tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master has nothing
> to
> > envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each media has
its
> > limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will never
have
> > the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done could be
a
> > nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.
> >
> > Let's talk about masters now. We have the recording master, where we put
> 24
> > channels in a 2" analog tape or 48 channels on a 1" special digital tape
> > used in the digital Studers. ADATS were really popular (special vhs) but
> > they have been replaced by the Pro-Tools, Nuendo, Otari, etc ... all
hard
> > disk systems. When that master is mixed down to 2 channels, we converted
> it
> > to the "original master" the one we send to the pre-mastering house on
> 1/2"
> > tape, DAT or CDR. The pre-mastering engineer convert it to a "production
> > master" the same one that is send to the duplicator for CD's. Usually,
it
> is
> > send on 1630 (looks like a giant DAT) , 8mm Exabyte (similar to the ones
> > used on digital video cameras) or PMCD (PQ Master cd). The prefered
choice
> > is the exabyte because it goes directly to the glass master cutter and
it
> > could be cut at higher speed. The 1630 and PMCD are converted to exabyte
> > first and then to the glass master. Remember, for the cd manufacturer
> speed
> > and volume its all what he cares. If you are Bernie Grundman or Bob
Ludwig
> > mastering a J LO disc, then, you could ask the master to be cut at real
> time
> > and you can even receive a sample before the production begins. For
little
> > guys like me ... forget it ! After several steps, we obtain the
"stamper":
> a
> > metal mold with the music information to be replicated. From this
stamper
> is
> > where we obtain the final CD's that we later hear  on our systems. The
> > stamper is good for 10,000 copies or so.
> >
> > In the cassette era there were 2 basic duplication systems: the bin loop
> and
> > the in-cassette duplicator. The bin loop was the best and fastest one
> while
> > the in-cassette duplicator were slower and usually with less quality but
> far
> > cheaper that the former one. The production master arrives to the tape
> > duplicator and then another kind of master was done: "the running
master".
> > 1/2" or 1" special tape from AGFA, later BASF were put on an endless
mode
> > (edited) running at up to 80x times while the cassette tape pancakes
were
> > running on several slaves. This master were later replaced by the
digital
> > bin with a hard disk and the Dolby HX PRO were added to the slaves
> obtaining
> > a much better sound but it came way too late. About 40-50 copies came
out
> of
> > each pancake depending of the lenght of the program and of the pancake
> > itself.
> >
> > For the in-cassette duplicator, not neccesarily for "in house" pirated
> > copies as Pokemon suggested, the running master were done on 1/4" tape
or
> > the prefered media was another cassette itself but of higher quality
than
> > the copies. If you copy on normal tape your master was CRo2, and if you
> were
> > duplicating on chrome , then your master was metal and so on. The only
> > industrial type in-cassette duplicator capable of obtaining 20-20k on
> freq.
> > response running at 10x was the INFONICS. Hand made by a few bunch of
> people
> > in Indiana. Rugged (each slave of 4 pockets weights 85 pounds!) and the
> > internal topology was a 'la "Revox" with many hand picked parts and
> > completely modular. The others: Sony, Telex, Otari, KABA, Nakamichi
MR -2
> > were simply Micky Mouse compared to the Infonics. Only problem: the
price.
> > Each slave costed you the same as a bin loop slave: 7 k +.
> >
> > So, in order to finish this rant, no matter what the master media is or
> come
> > from, a master is simply that: a master. No matter if it is a cassette,
> > 1/2", DAT or CDR. The important thing is the contents and the results we
> can
> > obtain from such a media.
> >
> > Carlos "aka" The Tape Man
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct 10 01:20:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:20:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Revox
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For those Revox enthusiasts ... http://home.freeuk.net/revox/ 

Carlos


From ti at amb.org  Sat Oct  9 22:43:06 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV16qJrfP6nm00003d80@hotmail.com> from "Alex Cozac" at
	Oct 09, 2004 12:40:47 AM
Message-ID: <20041009204306.62FC8D5B3@smtp.amb.org>

Alex Cozac writes:
> Concerning the Jaguar...I "WAS" 100% sure that the "X" type is a BMW 
> body/specifications...and NOT a Ford Mondeo!

Nelson is correct.  The Jaguar X-type is indeed based on the Ford Mondeo.
There is no BMW basis in any of Jaguar's current lineup.  Jaguar is now
owned by Ford and there is more and more "Ford" being infused into Jaguar's
"blood" (for better or for worse).  Sorry about the non-Nak post, but I
just wanted to set things straight.

-Ti


From msyoder at border.net  Sat Oct  9 17:18:13 2004
From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:18:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] masters, etc.
Message-ID: <703129CE-1A06-11D9-BC7C-000A95EBBF0E@border.net>

Carlos brings up a great point with the example of the Nakamichi 
concert hall recordings.  My jazz duo (sometimes trio) used to record 
our "live to 2-track" sessions on DAT or MD, but we frequently ran into 
the problem of digital distortion because the trumpet player or the 
percussionist would hit a loud note.  We preferred not to squash the 
recordings with compression, nor take the time to fiddle with a 
compressor.  Since I play bass and have to engineer at the same time, I 
started using the cassette format (Sony KA3ES, Nak DR-3, Tascam 112 
MkII) because it's easier to do, and more forgiving when peak notes 
come through.  I can't saturate tape at +6 db while using Dolby C or S, 
but unlike digital, at least there's some "room for error" that can 
occur without distortion.  What started out as a way to document our 
rehearsals for critiquing purposes has turned out the be the primary 
mode of recording material ultimately for CD release!!  I then dupe the 
cassette live material to CD-R, which becomes the thing that is copied 
for the CDs for sale.

The results are most satisfying.  The engineered sound sort of reminds 
me of pre-digital early 1980s jazz recordings.  The trumpet is sweet, 
and the bass totally un-muddy and well placed in the soundstage.  I 
especially like the Sony KA3ES, but the Tascam is not far behind.  By 
the way, it's a simple setup: Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro mixing desk, SM58 mic 
on the trumpet, bass guitars DI'd, a little  Zoom 507 reverb, Canare 
cables, and it's done.  When a percussionist is involved, I use a pair 
of Shure BG4.1 condenser mics in an X pattern overhead.  The stereo 
sound is quite satisfying, indeed.

People who hear our recordings can't believe they're done live to 
cassette, so I don't even bother to tell them unless they specifically 
ask how I engineered them.

In short, Carlos is exactly right:  if you use cassette machines to 
their fullest potential, listeners will be impressed.

Cheers,
Michael
------------------------------
[Carlos (El Magnifico) wrote:

 >Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their most
prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate Concert 
Hall
in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a usual
practice having a quartet palying classical music while recording it 
direct
to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master machines were ? 
10
Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were then 
given
to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate their naks 
back
home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a former Nak
dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a CD. Let 
me
tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master has 
nothing to
envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each media has 
its
limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will never 
have
the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done could be 
a
nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.

 >So, in order to finish this rant, no matter what the master media is 
or come
from, a master is simply that: a master. No matter if it is a cassette,
1/2", DAT or CDR. The important thing is the contents and the results 
we can
obtain from such a media.

Carlos "aka" The Tape Man]



From one2rock at vogue.co.uk  Sat Oct  9 17:25:00 2004
From: one2rock at vogue.co.uk (Michael B.)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:25:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Q: Repairing the RX-505E. Which Naks can you cannibalize?
Message-ID: <416802CC.B72D7F43@vogue.co.uk>

Hi,

I have a Nakamichi RX-505E which has been sitting silent for a couple of
years due to some problems with the power supply ( I suspect a shorted
Cap).

In any case, I was wondering which Naks can be cannibalized for parts to
refurbish/repair this great Deck.

bfn
Michael



From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Oct  9 17:32:04 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:32:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Not a Nakamichi - Pioneer CT-F1000
Message-ID: <00c401c4ae15$33515150$fab50642@john1patlmckrl>

Anybody feel like a replacement belts challenge? Price, at present, is inviting.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64599&item=5723566185&rd=1#ebayphotohosting

John T.
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Sat Oct  9 18:18:21 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:18:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
In-Reply-To: <002d01c4abf9$4abd41a0$860f98de@tec>
Message-ID: <BD8D878D.7054%pokemonoman@mac.com>


THAT IS RIGHT, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT MACHINE. MOST DOLBY B IS NO GOOD BUT IT
IS TRUE YOU CAN GET IT TO TRACK SOMETIMES LKIKE ON THAT COOL NAK 600 DECK.

THANX,

PMJ

on 10/6/04 7:07 PM, Donald Sangster at donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz wrote:

> Hello All
> 
> I have a Nak 600 which is Dolby B only. If I have accurately tracked the
> output levels on the adjuster, I get results from Dolby B that do not
> adversely affect the treble response the way it happens on so many other
> decks by other makers. This is due to the Dolby level being at 0dB on the
> 600's meters and not at some other voltage point as on other decks.
> 
> I also have a 3 head Technics deck which has Dolby B, C and dBX. I use none
> of them as the tracking is not adjustable so the results are not good on
> that deck, although its actual sound quality with Dolby off is fine. I can
> play back the Nak 600 cassettes on it with Dolby B on sounding OK however.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Donald

THAT IS RIGHT, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT MACHINE. MOST DOLBY B IS NO GOOD BUT IT
IS TRUE YOU CAN GET IT TO TRACK SOMETIMES LKIKE ON THAT COOL NAK 600 DECK.

THANX,

PMJ






From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Oct  9 23:38:48 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:38:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Revox
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Nice site Carlos but please tell me that you didn't master their music ;-)

John T.
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From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:20 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Revox


> For those Revox enthusiasts ... http://home.freeuk.net/revox/ 
> 
> Carlos
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Oct 10 00:57:31 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:57:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
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"Foul", you mean chicken? ;-) I've seen these "kings new clothes" with fancy 
cabinet and OEM innards. 8,000 Pounds for any piece of Hi-Fi equipment, even 
Nakamichi, is ludicrous!

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Dear John,
>
> Please!!!! Don't make from yourself a "Foul"!!! For that price be 500% 
> sure that this extremely newer and expensive CD player DO NOT use a Cheap 
> Philips transport! Yes I agreed that use a Philips laser... of course as 
> always Naim do it!
> It's similarly that a Jaguar use a "Cheap" Skoda engine!!!!!
> Thinks a little bit...please John.
> Thanks,
>
> ALEX
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
>> And probably based on a cheap Philip CD transport.
>>
>> John T.
>>
>> Quoting Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>> Try only to listen, very carefully and with a lot of time + various type 
>>> of
>>>
>>> YOUR Cd's, a Naim's CD-3 the last one recently launched to the marked 
>>> cost
>>> near 8,000 UK pounds, after that write me your impressions...Please!!!
>>> Thanks so much!
>>>
>>> ALEX!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>>> To: <pokemonoman at mac.com>; <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>>
>>>
>>> > Nice post PMJ,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the recommendations too.  I must say, that CDs for me are
>>> > also a source of non-critical listening - and that's not to say that
>>> > many of them are not really excellent.  I suppose it's partly because
>>> > they are the default medium of the moment....
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Marc
>>> >
>>> >>>> pokemonoman at mac.com 10/06/04 06:54PM >>>
>>> > AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
>>> > FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
>>> > THE
>>> > MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
>>> > FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
>>> > ANY
>>> > DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
>>> > LIKE
>>> > STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
>>> > UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
>>> > CLOSELY....
>>> >
>>> > ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
>>> > AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
>>> > ENOUGH,
>>> > I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
>>> > ALL
>>> > ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
>>> > COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
>>> > THE
>>> > CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
>>> > AWAY
>>> > IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
>>> > AND
>>> > TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
>>> > ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
>>> > PROJECTS
>>> > THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
>>> > I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
>>> > CALLED
>>> > "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
>>> > "LITTLE
>>> > BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
>>> > EXISTED
>>> > NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
>>> > FORMAT AS
>>> > MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
>>> > STEREO
>>> > UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
>>> >
>>> > oh yeah,
>>> > I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
>>> > NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
>>> > I'LL
>>> > PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
>>> > I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO 
>>> > AZIMUTH
>>> > IN
>>> > THE PLAYBACK MODE!!
>>> >
>>> > THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO
>>> > STICK
>>> > TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...
>>> >
>>> > PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > on 10/2/04 9:39 AM, george valkov at george.valkov at gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Guys,
>>> >>
>>> >> I hate stepping into the eternal digital vs. analog debacle, but I
>>> >> can't help myself on this one.
>>> >>
>>> >> IMHO, the first major issue of importance is the quality of the
>>> >> recording/mastering/production process, both for vinyl and CD. No
>>> > one
>>> >> can convince me that a bad vinyl pressing of a crappy recording will
>>> >> by definition sound better than the CD. That has always been my main
>>> >> "bone of content" when going into LP vs CD comparisons - I have a
>>> >> close friend with whom we have a sort of challenge - he's gone for
>>> >> top-end vinyl (Michell Orbe with all bells and whistles/SME V/ VdH
>>> >> Colibri/Tom Evans "The Groove") with solid state amplification (top
>>> >> YBA), I've gone top-end CD (EMM Labs transport plus DAC) with
>>> >> tube/valve amplification (custom-built passive preamp plus various
>>> >> monoblocs, incl. Conrad-Johnson, BAT, etc.). How can you compare a
>>> >> 200g MFSL or other audiophile LP pressing to a run-of-the-mill CD ?
>>> >> Depending on choice of material AND data carrier we have been able
>>> > to
>>> >> make strong cases both for vinyl and for CD - an XRCD of Victor
>>> >> Feldman through my system completely blew away a normal vinyl
>>> > pressing
>>> >> of same album on my friend's system and vice versa in other
>>> > instances.
>>> >> I have to agree that the quality of most CDs is inferior, presumably
>>> >> because at time of recording/production everyone thought "digital is
>>> >> so good we don't need to pay much attention to the process" - but I
>>> >> cannot agree to generalise that conclusion for absolutely each and
>>> >> every case. I've long given up on theoretical disputes about
>>> > formats,
>>> >> I now rely solely on my senses - if I like the way it sounds, it's
>>> >> good, regardless whether it's CD, LP, SACD, WAV from my Creative
>>> >> Jukebox, etc. (well I can't really accept MP3 or AAC, or whatever
>>> >> other compressed crap is available, but that's just me).
>>> >>
>>> >> As always, what matters in the end is enjoying the music, the rest
>>> > is
>>> >> just a nice way to pass the time in friendly disputes with fellow
>>> >> 'natics.
>>> >>
>>> >> Enjoy the weekend and the music !
>>> >>
>>> >> George
>>> >> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300, Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>> Hi Alex,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to
>>> > sound close
>>> >>> to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player)
>>> > sounds and
>>> >>> how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players.
>>> > Even good,
>>> >>> from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much
>>> > closer to
>>> >>> real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many
>>> > opportunities
>>> >>> to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Have a great weekend!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Tadas
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>> >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Neil,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 last
>>> > Naim
>>> >>> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i
>>> > remember well
>>> >>> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a
>>> > "Completely
>>> >>> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided
>>> > after!!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Happy listening...!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ALEX!
>>> >>
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>>> > AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
>>> > FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN ENJOYING
>>> > THE
>>> > MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
>>> > FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
>>> > ANY
>>> > DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING FACILITY
>>> > LIKE
>>> > STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
>>> > UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
>>> > CLOSELY....
>>> >
>>> > ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
>>> > AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
>>> > ENOUGH,
>>> > I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
>>> > ALL
>>> > ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
>>> > COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
>>> > THE
>>> > CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW ME
>>> > AWAY
>>> > IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
>>> > AND
>>> > TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
>>> > ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
>>> > PROJECTS
>>> > THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
>>> > I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
>>> > CALLED
>>> > "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
>>> > "LITTLE
>>> > BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
>>> > EXISTED
>>> > NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
>>> > FORMAT AS
>>> > MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
>>> > STEREO
>>> > UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
>>> >
>>> > oh yeah,
>>> > I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
>>> > NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
>>> > I'LL
>>> > PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
>>> > I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO 
>>> > AZIMUTH
>>> > IN
>>> > THE PLAYBACK MODE!!
>>> >
>>> > THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY TO
>>> > STICK
>>> > TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...
>>> >
>>> > PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"
>>> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Oct 10 00:59:26 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:59:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
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I agree, even more so than a B215.

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?


>I like the B 710 for looks.  Mind you, I think bulldogs are utterly
> huggable!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> MH
>
>
>
>>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 10/07/04 08:26PM >>>
> I know this may sound shallow, but those things are butt ugly.
> Whatever I
> get has to pass the wife appearance test.  Plus I've been very happy
> with
> all the Nakamichi stuff I've had over the years.
>
> At 11:57 AM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
>>A ReVox B215
>>
>>John T.
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 10 03:24:10 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 03:24:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <20041009204306.62FC8D5B3@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV13phwFutJL00000358@hotmail.com>

Thanks so much Ti & Gra!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> Alex Cozac writes:
>> Concerning the Jaguar...I "WAS" 100% sure that the "X" type is a BMW
>> body/specifications...and NOT a Ford Mondeo!
>
> Nelson is correct.  The Jaguar X-type is indeed based on the Ford Mondeo.
> There is no BMW basis in any of Jaguar's current lineup.  Jaguar is now
> owned by Ford and there is more and more "Ford" being infused into 
> Jaguar's
> "blood" (for better or for worse).  Sorry about the non-Nak post, but I
> just wanted to set things straight.
>
> -Ti
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From whgl at iland.net  Sun Oct 10 03:52:13 2004
From: whgl at iland.net (Durham)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:52:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Does Your Cassette Compartment Tick?
Message-ID: <016F2A18-1A5F-11D9-A68B-003065C23AC8@iland.net>

Mine does when I press Play, whether or not a tape is in the 
compartment. I've been told that this is normal and has to do with my 
550's auto-stop mechanism, but it seems to be too loud to be normal; I 
can hear it plainly during quiet passages. Is there something I can 
lubricate or disengage or...? Thank you.



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 10 09:24:13 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:24:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Information or Advice!
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV2blZz02H670000dac6@hotmail.com>

Hi to all our lovely Forum!

Today after a week that I don't listen my Dragon something that I do not 
take note earlier happen....?

After to push the Power ON bottom, the "Stop" light blinks for a few 
seconds, I wait till stop, load a cassette for enjoy the machine, and take 
at "Least" 15 seconds after been push the "Forward" bottom...till the 
cassette began to move, the "azimuth" arrow flash till was growing green 
steady...and all work wonderful.

My question is this one...?

Always; the Dragon has such "DELAY"...till the makes music I load a recorded 
cassette to listen it?

Any experienced input will make me extremely relaxed!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!


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From miroslavt at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 10 10:46:12 2004
From: miroslavt at hotmail.com (Miroslav Tkachenko)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:46:12 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 manual calibration question
Message-ID: <BAY1-F7Fur2iz2Mb1s700007c69@hotmail.com>

I am Miroslav Tkachenko from Israel . I am new to this forum and enlisted 
because love to monitor your � analog� talk and learn new things and also 
have DR-1 and various mobile Nak components including  TD-700 and TD-500.
Analog cassette recording for me the only choice to record from vinyl ( 
tried  MD, DAT and quality sound card with CDRs burning). Listen to 80s New 
Wave and classical music. There are a lot of CD reissues of 80s now but 
there are a lot of 2nd and 3rd row groups that never seen an issuance of CD. 
Beside that I prefare vinyl to CD when listen to the same albom.
Now the problem- I hope there are people out there familiar with DR-1 ( Nak 
Talk usually evolving around more serious/ expensive models).
Bias manual calibration responds very very slight. Almost no changes can be 
heard. In a contrast- my other 3-head decks with manual calibration � Akai 
GX-6, Onkyo TA-260 change hi frequencies dramatically when turning the 
calibration knob.
This DR-1 was bought in Canada not new but in mint condition  from 
technically educated person ( he also understood in hi-end in general)  who 
claimed that deck was calibrated by him for Maxell XL-IIS. Now there is no 
possibility to ask him now for details�. Please  could anyone advise me how 
should sonically behave manual bias knob on unmodified DR-1 ( slightly or 
dramatically) and what his calibration  for XL-IIS could possibly mean- that 
other cassette types/ brands are impossible to set manually?  My manual bias 
knob is now not operating properly?...
Thanks in advance!




Best regards,
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sun Oct 10 13:57:58 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:57:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 manual calibration question
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References: <BAY1-F7Fur2iz2Mb1s700007c69@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041010073113.021efbe0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 04:46 10/10/2004, you wrote:
>I am Miroslav Tkachenko from Israel . I am new to this forum and enlisted 
>because love to monitor your “ analog” talk and learn new things and also 
>have DR-1 and various mobile Nak components including  TD-700 and TD-500.
>Analog cassette recording for me the only choice to record from vinyl ( 
>tried  MD, DAT and quality sound card with CDRs burning). Listen to 80s 
>New Wave and classical music. There are a lot of CD reissues of 80s now 
>but there are a lot of 2nd and 3rd row groups that never seen an issuance 
>of CD. Beside that I prefare vinyl to CD when listen to the same albom.
>Now the problem- I hope there are people out there familiar with DR-1 ( 
>Nak Talk usually evolving around more serious/ expensive models).
>Bias manual calibration responds very very slight. Almost no changes can 
>be heard. In a contrast- my other 3-head decks with manual calibration ­ 
>Akai GX-6, Onkyo TA-260 change hi frequencies dramatically when turning 
>the calibration knob.
>This DR-1 was bought in Canada not new but in mint condition  from 
>technically educated person ( he also understood in hi-end in 
>general)  who claimed that deck was calibrated by him for Maxell XL-IIS. 
>Now there is no possibility to ask him now for details
. Please  could 
>anyone advise me how should sonically behave manual bias knob on 
>unmodified DR-1 ( slightly or dramatically) and what his calibration  for 
>XL-IIS could possibly mean- that other cassette types/ brands are 
>impossible to set manually?  My manual bias knob is now not operating 
>properly?...
>Thanks in advance!

Hi Miroslav,

a few comments about your message:

-There are manual calibration controls (level and bias) inside your DR-1. 
These are factory set for some type of tapes in each category, e.g. 
Nakamichi SX for Type II. It is possible to change this for, say, Maxell 
XL-IIS but you need test equipment and some knowledge to do this.

-Your fine bias knob on the front panel of the DR-1 works only when 
recording. I think you understand this but I thought I should mention just 
in case. One easy way to evaluate its effects is to put DR-1 in record mode 
and record hiss you will find between two FM stations (with Mute disbled on 
tuner). By putting DR-1 and preamp in playback mode while recording hiss 
from tuner, you should be able to hear quite easily the effect on high 
frequencies of the bias knob at different positions (compare tape vs source 
on tape deck). Leave azimuth at center position while doing this.

-Do your test recordings at low level. Remember frequency response of tape 
decks is measured at a level of -20db and bias adjustments are done at this 
level too I believe. Tape decks with built-in calibration test tones 
automatically adjust meters for higher sensitivity when using high 
frequency to adjust bias, giving the impression the calibration is done at 
0 db while it is actually done at -20db. If you try to record high 
frequency tones at 0 db on Type II tape, tape will saturate and it is very 
possible that fine bias adjustment will be barely noticeable.

Good luck.

-Marc





From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct 10 13:28:05 2004
From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:28:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  OEM innards
In-Reply-To: <009701c4ae53$5bd43910$28b90642@john1patlmckrl>
Message-ID: <003501c4aebc$35d2ab20$158c4c51@oemcomputer>

Slightly OT this, but speaking of OEM innards, have to read about the Korsun
V8i amplifier and the kings new clothes Red Rose version of it?  There's a
bit of a price difference ... What a difference a named brand makes ...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> Sent: 09 October 2004 23:58
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> "Foul", you mean chicken? ;-) I've seen these "kings new clothes"
> with fancy
> cabinet and OEM innards. 8,000 Pounds for any piece of Hi-Fi
> equipment, even
> Nakamichi, is ludicrous!
>
> John T.
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 10 13:55:30 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:55:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
References: <s1651dbf.072@mroute.sunint.co.za><BAY18-DAV16LSAQV6uP00001e0d@hotmail.com><1097164164.4165658444ccc@mail.ce.net><BAY18-DAV18UPYeP4v800000644@hotmail.com>
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Dear John

Have a nice week end, NO Really my English is not 100% perfect. This Naim's 
CDS-3 it's all black metal, NO fancy/exotic wood cabinet...however really 
sound like a turntable...in ALL Naim's gear.

Be well, and thanks for your input...NOT everybody like to spend/spell such 
quantity of money...mostly like me per example like to buy "Value for Money" 
stereo gear....however...NOT always goes like this...Period!

Cheers,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES


> "Foul", you mean chicken? ;-) I've seen these "kings new clothes" with 
> fancy cabinet and OEM innards. 8,000 Pounds for any piece of Hi-Fi 
> equipment, even Nakamichi, is ludicrous!
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> Please!!!! Don't make from yourself a "Foul"!!! For that price be 500% 
>> sure that this extremely newer and expensive CD player DO NOT use a Cheap 
>> Philips transport! Yes I agreed that use a Philips laser... of course as 
>> always Naim do it!
>> It's similarly that a Jaguar use a "Cheap" Skoda engine!!!!!
>> Thinks a little bit...please John.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ALEX
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>
>>
>>> And probably based on a cheap Philip CD transport.
>>>
>>> John T.
>>>
>>> Quoting Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Marc,
>>>>
>>>> Try only to listen, very carefully and with a lot of time + various 
>>>> type of
>>>>
>>>> YOUR Cd's, a Naim's CD-3 the last one recently launched to the marked 
>>>> cost
>>>> near 8,000 UK pounds, after that write me your impressions...Please!!!
>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>
>>>> ALEX!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>>>> To: <pokemonoman at mac.com>; <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:41 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Nice post PMJ,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for the recommendations too.  I must say, that CDs for me are
>>>> > also a source of non-critical listening - and that's not to say that
>>>> > many of them are not really excellent.  I suppose it's partly because
>>>> > they are the default medium of the moment....
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > Marc
>>>> >
>>>> >>>> pokemonoman at mac.com 10/06/04 06:54PM >>>
>>>> > AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
>>>> > FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN 
>>>> > ENJOYING
>>>> > THE
>>>> > MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
>>>> > FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
>>>> > ANY
>>>> > DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING 
>>>> > FACILITY
>>>> > LIKE
>>>> > STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
>>>> > UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
>>>> > CLOSELY....
>>>> >
>>>> > ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
>>>> > AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
>>>> > ENOUGH,
>>>> > I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
>>>> > ALL
>>>> > ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
>>>> > COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
>>>> > THE
>>>> > CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW 
>>>> > ME
>>>> > AWAY
>>>> > IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
>>>> > AND
>>>> > TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
>>>> > ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
>>>> > PROJECTS
>>>> > THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
>>>> > I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
>>>> > CALLED
>>>> > "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
>>>> > "LITTLE
>>>> > BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
>>>> > EXISTED
>>>> > NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
>>>> > FORMAT AS
>>>> > MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
>>>> > STEREO
>>>> > UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
>>>> >
>>>> > oh yeah,
>>>> > I LOVE THE SOUND OF CHEAP, THRIFT STORE PRE-RECOPRDED CASSETTES ON MY
>>>> > NAKAMICHI 670ZX. I PLAN ON GETTING A V680ZX AT SOME POINT. AND THEN
>>>> > I'LL
>>>> > PLUNK DOWN FOR A DRAGON.
>>>> > I'M IN NO HURRY FOR THE DRAGON, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE AUTO 
>>>> > AZIMUTH
>>>> > IN
>>>> > THE PLAYBACK MODE!!
>>>> >
>>>> > THANX AND SORRY I GOT OFF TRACK FOR THIS NAKAMICHI DIGEST, I'LL TRY 
>>>> > TO
>>>> > STICK
>>>> > TO ONLY NAK TALK FROM NOW ON...
>>>> >
>>>> > PMJ/"TAKE YOUR TAPE HISS LIKE A MAN"
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > on 10/2/04 9:39 AM, george valkov at george.valkov at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Guys,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate stepping into the eternal digital vs. analog debacle, but I
>>>> >> can't help myself on this one.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> IMHO, the first major issue of importance is the quality of the
>>>> >> recording/mastering/production process, both for vinyl and CD. No
>>>> > one
>>>> >> can convince me that a bad vinyl pressing of a crappy recording will
>>>> >> by definition sound better than the CD. That has always been my main
>>>> >> "bone of content" when going into LP vs CD comparisons - I have a
>>>> >> close friend with whom we have a sort of challenge - he's gone for
>>>> >> top-end vinyl (Michell Orbe with all bells and whistles/SME V/ VdH
>>>> >> Colibri/Tom Evans "The Groove") with solid state amplification (top
>>>> >> YBA), I've gone top-end CD (EMM Labs transport plus DAC) with
>>>> >> tube/valve amplification (custom-built passive preamp plus various
>>>> >> monoblocs, incl. Conrad-Johnson, BAT, etc.). How can you compare a
>>>> >> 200g MFSL or other audiophile LP pressing to a run-of-the-mill CD ?
>>>> >> Depending on choice of material AND data carrier we have been able
>>>> > to
>>>> >> make strong cases both for vinyl and for CD - an XRCD of Victor
>>>> >> Feldman through my system completely blew away a normal vinyl
>>>> > pressing
>>>> >> of same album on my friend's system and vice versa in other
>>>> > instances.
>>>> >> I have to agree that the quality of most CDs is inferior, presumably
>>>> >> because at time of recording/production everyone thought "digital is
>>>> >> so good we don't need to pay much attention to the process" - but I
>>>> >> cannot agree to generalise that conclusion for absolutely each and
>>>> >> every case. I've long given up on theoretical disputes about
>>>> > formats,
>>>> >> I now rely solely on my senses - if I like the way it sounds, it's
>>>> >> good, regardless whether it's CD, LP, SACD, WAV from my Creative
>>>> >> Jukebox, etc. (well I can't really accept MP3 or AAC, or whatever
>>>> >> other compressed crap is available, but that's just me).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As always, what matters in the end is enjoying the music, the rest
>>>> > is
>>>> >> just a nice way to pass the time in friendly disputes with fellow
>>>> >> 'natics.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Enjoy the weekend and the music !
>>>> >>
>>>> >> George
>>>> >> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:57:47 +0300, Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>> Hi Alex,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sorry to object you, but there is no chance for any CD player to
>>>> > sound close
>>>> >>> to good vinyl player, irrespective how "analogue" it (CD player)
>>>> > sounds and
>>>> >>> how much it costs. There is a problem in format, not in players.
>>>> > Even good,
>>>> >>> from LP recorded cassette on good cassette deck will sound much
>>>> > closer to
>>>> >>> real music than compact disc on BEST CD player. I had too many
>>>> > opportunities
>>>> >>> to ascertain this fact, so there is no question for me here.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Have a great weekend!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Tadas
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>>> >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 14:11
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi Neil,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sorry to disappoint you, yesterday I hear the newer Naim's CD-3 
>>>> >>> last
>>>> > Naim
>>>> >>> product with his newer improved separated power supply, if i
>>>> > remember well
>>>> >>> near 8,000 UK pounds....For such price you really get an a
>>>> > "Completely
>>>> >>> Analogue" sounding CD player...Try to hear it...and decided
>>>> > after!!!!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Happy listening...!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ALEX!
>>>> >>
>>>> >
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>>>> > AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I LIKE BOTH DIGITAL AND ANALOGUE.
>>>> > FOR ME? DIGITAL IS FOR CASUIAL, NON-CRITICAL LISTENING, AS IN 
>>>> > ENJOYING
>>>> > THE
>>>> > MUSIC FOR ITSELF AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE SOUND TOO MUCHG.
>>>> > FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE YET TO HEAR A TAMBOURINE PROPERLY REPRODUCED VIA
>>>> > ANY
>>>> > DIGITAL FORMAT AND THAT INCLUDES IN A TOP, TOP, TOP MASTERING 
>>>> > FACILITY
>>>> > LIKE
>>>> > STERLING SOUND WITH MY FRIEND TED JENSEN. BUT AS LONG AS I'M NOT THAT
>>>> > UPTIGHT ABOUT THE SOUND OF A TAMBOURINE AND/OR LISTENING TOO
>>>> > CLOSELY....
>>>> >
>>>> > ANALOGUE, FOR ME, IS MORE ABOUT LISTENING BFOR QUYALITY OF THE SOUND.
>>>> > AGAIN, A "PROPERLY" REPRODUCED TAMBOURINE SOUND. AND ALSO, STRANGELY
>>>> > ENOUGH,
>>>> > I CAN ALWAYS HEAR MORE "AIR" IN THE BASS , LIKE BASS GUITAR FROM AN
>>>> > ALL
>>>> > ANALOGUE SOURCE. PARTICULARLY FROM P;RE-RECORDED REEL TO REELS.
>>>> > COMPACT DISCS ARE A LOT OF FUN FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I DOP APPRECIATE
>>>> > THE
>>>> > CONVENIENCE AND CONVENIENCE OF SIZE BUT THEY JUST DON'T ALWAYS BLOW 
>>>> > ME
>>>> > AWAY
>>>> > IN THE BASS DEPARTMENT AND I DO HAVE TO SORT OF TUNE OUT THE CYMBALS
>>>> > AND
>>>> > TAMBOURINES TO ENJOY MYSELF...
>>>> > ON THE OTHERHAND, I HAVE HEARD REALLY NICELY ENGINEERED DIGITAL
>>>> > PROJECTS
>>>> > THAT RESULTED IN FINE SOUNDIONG COMOPACT DISCS.
>>>> > I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMPACT DISC BY THE FLORIDA GARAGE ROCK GROUP
>>>> > CALLED
>>>> > "THE NIGHTCRAWLERS, 'THE LITTLE BLACK EGG'" PARTICULARLY ON THE CUT
>>>> > "LITTLE
>>>> > BLACK EGG". BEFORE THIS COMPACT DISC WAS RELEASED THERE PREVIOUSLY
>>>> > EXISTED
>>>> > NO TRUE STEREO MIX OF THIS CUT. REASON ALONE FOR THE COMPACT DISC
>>>> > FORMAT AS
>>>> > MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW. A LOT OF STUFF WAS NEVER RELEASEED IN TRUE
>>>> > STEREO
>>>> > UNTIL THESE RIDICULOUS COMPAct disc reissues...
>>>> >
>>>> > oh yeah,
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>>>> > IN
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 10 16:37:50 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
In-Reply-To: <001c01c4ae54$2f3d5110$74773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20041010143750.4860.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>

There was also a place in California called Quadim that had about 117
MR-1's doing reel time duplication.  All the decks had gear idlers
and modified for IEC2 equalization.  All the decks were computer
controlled through their remote jacks.  The source was feed through a
pro rack mount Dolby Labs "B" encoder and then through a host of
distribution amps into the decks Ext Encoder In jacks.

I know because I bought the whole system from David Manly (of Manly
Labs fame) who bought I guess bought it from Quadim.  Here's a
picture of my friend in from of the racks and racks of decks out at
David's workshop in West Hollywood.

http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg

All but 12 of the decks are gone now.  Cleaned up, repair and
calibrated and then sold on various auction sites.

SJ


--- El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:

> That's right, Terry. It was an standard practice to record on CRO2
> with 120
> eq but 70 ms bias. Remember that we were duplicating at super high
> speeds
> with limited freq. response.
> 
> Speaking on Real Time, there were a fellow in Maine duplicating on
> 250 Revox
> B 215 controlled by a computer interface. If you take  a look at
> the back of
> a B 215, you'll see the connector for such parctice.
> 
> At Los Angeles, there were a fellow using 102 Nakamichis MR-2's.
> The place
> was call AAPEX and it was really impressive. Their running masters
> were done
> on an MCI 1/2" tape.
> 
> In England, the PINK ROOM was something else: 100 RX 505 auto
> reverse decks.
> Amazing.
> 
> The people duplicating for Nakamichi and Mobile Fidelity were using
> ZX-9's.
> 
> In Puerto Rico, I used to have 50 MR-2's that some people in this
> list
> recall me selling those when we changed to Bin Loop.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Terence Finn" <Tpfinn at btinternet.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
> 
> 
> > Nicely put Carlos
> >
> > The only thing to add is that in real time copying over here
> (last one, I
> > was involved in, used 200 very specially modified 505's, still
> have 8!! )
> is
> > that with BASF chrome it was normal practice  to set tape EQ  to
> 120 which
> > tended to hold up the HF on the many and varied machines the
> tapes had to
> > play back on at that time (they would end up in various record
> company
> > offices, cars and homes as test "masters", non Dolby.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:24 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
> >
> >
> > > Nice exposition, Pokemon. I understand your points but
> remember: a
> master
> > is
> > > just a master no matter what media is. There's not such thing
> as a
> > > "professional master" but just "professional media" as the one
> you
> > mentioned
> > > like the 1/2", 1", 2", ADAT, DAT (mostly), PMCD, 1630, Exabyte,
> Hard
> Disc
> > > etc ... We have media for domestic applications and media for
> professional
> > > applications but in many cases we are "forced" to use them both
> for
> > certain
> > > projects. As you mentioned: when we do recopilations and
> re-issues most
> of
> > > the time we don't have access to the original masters due to
> many
> reasons
> > > and we have to work with 78 records, 1/4" 15 ips tapes,
> cassettes or
> even
> > > cylinders from the turn of the 20 th century. Hence, in those
> cases the
> > > "master" is not in a prefered pro-media but it's still the
> master in
> that
> > > specific case.
> > >
> > > The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As
> early as the
> > > 80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at 15
> ips
> > > sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all. Then,
> a little
> > > while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips encoded
> with
> dolby
> > > SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT became
> the
> > standard
> > > choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived. Now
> the hard
> > > disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording masters
> but many
> > > people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of
> course, you
> still
> > > have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital era
> is
> growing
> > > really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering
> business, 8
> out
> > > of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results (
> Grammy,
> gold
> > > and platinum records) the public don't even care about it. One
> of the
> most
> > > criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years ago,
> were the
> > > Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely
> squashed,
> > > distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember how
> many
> grammys
> > > and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ... And
> let me
> tell
> > > you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the
> producer's
> > > requirement (as usual).
> > >
> > > Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their
> most
> > > prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate
> Concert
> > Hall
> > > in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a
> usual
> > > practice having a quartet palying classical music while
> recording it
> > direct
> > > to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master
> machines were ?
> 10
> > > Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were
> then
> given
> > > to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate
> their naks
> back
> > > home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a
> former Nak
> > > dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a
> CD. Let
> me
> > > tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master
> has nothing
> > to
> > > envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each
> media has
> its
> > > limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will
> never
> have
> > > the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done
> could be
> a
> > > nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.
> > >
> > > Let's talk about masters now. We have the recording master,
> where we put
> > 24
> > > channels in a 2" analog tape or 48 channels on a 1" special
> digital tape
> > > used in the digital Studers. ADATS were really popular (special
> vhs) but
> > > they have been replaced by the Pro-Tools, Nuendo, Otari, etc
> ... all
> hard
> > > disk systems. When that master is mixed down to 2 channels, we
> converted
> > it
> > > to the "original master" the one we send to the pre-mastering
> house on
> > 1/2"
> > > tape, DAT or CDR. The pre-mastering engineer convert it to a
> "production
> > > master" the same one that is send to the duplicator for CD's.
> Usually,
> it
> > is
> > > send on 1630 (looks like a giant DAT) , 8mm Exabyte (similar to
> the 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct 10 21:32:38 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:32:38 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] masters, etc.
References: <703129CE-1A06-11D9-BC7C-000A95EBBF0E@border.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c4aeff$e77d7970$18773242@CopyTech>

During the 90's , those multitrack cassette machines were en vogue and
properly handled by the right person, the results were good ! I remember
once a guy came to do a mastering and brought with him the Tascam machine.
We patched it to our system and did the mastering from there.

Results? Well, it could be better from a properly done format but the public
who bought the copies were so satisfied that we did another one ! Ha !

That's life ...

Carlos


From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct 10 21:40:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:40:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
References: <20041010143750.4860.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003901c4af00$fb8d78b0$18773242@CopyTech>

Ha ! What a coincidence. I talked to David about that system when he came up
with it at e.bay years ago. Yes, I know Quadim and I saw all their gear. It
was an impressive array of Naks ! You was lucky to sell all those decks. It
took me almost 2 years to sell my 50 MR-2's and the last ones were sold at
$50.00 each !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...


> There was also a place in California called Quadim that had about 117
> MR-1's doing reel time duplication.  All the decks had gear idlers
> and modified for IEC2 equalization.  All the decks were computer
> controlled through their remote jacks.  The source was feed through a
> pro rack mount Dolby Labs "B" encoder and then through a host of
> distribution amps into the decks Ext Encoder In jacks.
>
> I know because I bought the whole system from David Manly (of Manly
> Labs fame) who bought I guess bought it from Quadim.  Here's a
> picture of my friend in from of the racks and racks of decks out at
> David's workshop in West Hollywood.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg
>
> All but 12 of the decks are gone now.  Cleaned up, repair and
> calibrated and then sold on various auction sites.
>
> SJ
>
>
> --- El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
>
> > That's right, Terry. It was an standard practice to record on CRO2
> > with 120
> > eq but 70 ms bias. Remember that we were duplicating at super high
> > speeds
> > with limited freq. response.
> >
> > Speaking on Real Time, there were a fellow in Maine duplicating on
> > 250 Revox
> > B 215 controlled by a computer interface. If you take  a look at
> > the back of
> > a B 215, you'll see the connector for such parctice.
> >
> > At Los Angeles, there were a fellow using 102 Nakamichis MR-2's.
> > The place
> > was call AAPEX and it was really impressive. Their running masters
> > were done
> > on an MCI 1/2" tape.
> >
> > In England, the PINK ROOM was something else: 100 RX 505 auto
> > reverse decks.
> > Amazing.
> >
> > The people duplicating for Nakamichi and Mobile Fidelity were using
> > ZX-9's.
> >
> > In Puerto Rico, I used to have 50 MR-2's that some people in this
> > list
> > recall me selling those when we changed to Bin Loop.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Terence Finn" <Tpfinn at btinternet.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
> >
> >
> > > Nicely put Carlos
> > >
> > > The only thing to add is that in real time copying over here
> > (last one, I
> > > was involved in, used 200 very specially modified 505's, still
> > have 8!! )
> > is
> > > that with BASF chrome it was normal practice  to set tape EQ  to
> > 120 which
> > > tended to hold up the HF on the many and varied machines the
> > tapes had to
> > > play back on at that time (they would end up in various record
> > company
> > > offices, cars and homes as test "masters", non Dolby.
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:24 AM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Nice exposition, Pokemon. I understand your points but
> > remember: a
> > master
> > > is
> > > > just a master no matter what media is. There's not such thing
> > as a
> > > > "professional master" but just "professional media" as the one
> > you
> > > mentioned
> > > > like the 1/2", 1", 2", ADAT, DAT (mostly), PMCD, 1630, Exabyte,
> > Hard
> > Disc
> > > > etc ... We have media for domestic applications and media for
> > professional
> > > > applications but in many cases we are "forced" to use them both
> > for
> > > certain
> > > > projects. As you mentioned: when we do recopilations and
> > re-issues most
> > of
> > > > the time we don't have access to the original masters due to
> > many
> > reasons
> > > > and we have to work with 78 records, 1/4" 15 ips tapes,
> > cassettes or
> > even
> > > > cylinders from the turn of the 20 th century. Hence, in those
> > cases the
> > > > "master" is not in a prefered pro-media but it's still the
> > master in
> > that
> > > > specific case.
> > > >
> > > > The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As
> > early as the
> > > > 80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at 15
> > ips
> > > > sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all. Then,
> > a little
> > > > while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips encoded
> > with
> > dolby
> > > > SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT became
> > the
> > > standard
> > > > choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived. Now
> > the hard
> > > > disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording masters
> > but many
> > > > people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of
> > course, you
> > still
> > > > have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital era
> > is
> > growing
> > > > really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering
> > business, 8
> > out
> > > > of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results (
> > Grammy,
> > gold
> > > > and platinum records) the public don't even care about it. One
> > of the
> > most
> > > > criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years ago,
> > were the
> > > > Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely
> > squashed,
> > > > distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember how
> > many
> > grammys
> > > > and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ... And
> > let me
> > tell
> > > > you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the
> > producer's
> > > > requirement (as usual).
> > > >
> > > > Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their
> > most
> > > > prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate
> > Concert
> > > Hall
> > > > in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a
> > usual
> > > > practice having a quartet palying classical music while
> > recording it
> > > direct
> > > > to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master
> > machines were ?
> > 10
> > > > Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were
> > then
> > given
> > > > to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate
> > their naks
> > back
> > > > home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a
> > former Nak
> > > > dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a
> > CD. Let
> > me
> > > > tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master
> > has nothing
> > > to
> > > > envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each
> > media has
> > its
> > > > limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will
> > never
> > have
> > > > the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done
> > could be
> > a
> > > > nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.
> > > >
> > > > Let's talk about masters now. We have the recording master,
> > where we put
> > > 24
> > > > channels in a 2" analog tape or 48 channels on a 1" special
> > digital tape
> > > > used in the digital Studers. ADATS were really popular (special
> > vhs) but
> > > > they have been replaced by the Pro-Tools, Nuendo, Otari, etc
> > ... all
> > hard
> > > > disk systems. When that master is mixed down to 2 channels, we
> > converted
> > > it
> > > > to the "original master" the one we send to the pre-mastering
> > house on
> > > 1/2"
> > > > tape, DAT or CDR. The pre-mastering engineer convert it to a
> > "production
> > > > master" the same one that is send to the duplicator for CD's.
> > Usually,
> > it
> > > is
> > > > send on 1630 (looks like a giant DAT) , 8mm Exabyte (similar to
> > the
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct 10 21:50:12 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:50:12 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
References: <20041010143750.4860.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004501c4af02$5bbb8d70$18773242@CopyTech>

Going back in my memory, I remember been very excited about the real time
duplication. The view of 50 naks in front of me was nice. Later on, that
excitement turned into a nightmare. The NAKs couldn't take the beating of 8+
hours a day / 6 days a week constant recording. We have to keep them running
at 60 degrees F with a central ac. We called that room "the freezer".

 If you ask any of those nak duplicators they will tell you that it was
really rare having all naks working at once ever. It took me just a year to
get rid of the system and start experimenting with high speed. Besides, the
operational cost and the copy selling price was ridiculous.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...


> There was also a place in California called Quadim that had about 117
> MR-1's doing reel time duplication.  All the decks had gear idlers
> and modified for IEC2 equalization.  All the decks were computer
> controlled through their remote jacks.  The source was feed through a
> pro rack mount Dolby Labs "B" encoder and then through a host of
> distribution amps into the decks Ext Encoder In jacks.
>
> I know because I bought the whole system from David Manly (of Manly
> Labs fame) who bought I guess bought it from Quadim.  Here's a
> picture of my friend in from of the racks and racks of decks out at
> David's workshop in West Hollywood.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg
>
> All but 12 of the decks are gone now.  Cleaned up, repair and
> calibrated and then sold on various auction sites.
>
> SJ
>
>
> --- El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
>
> > That's right, Terry. It was an standard practice to record on CRO2
> > with 120
> > eq but 70 ms bias. Remember that we were duplicating at super high
> > speeds
> > with limited freq. response.
> >
> > Speaking on Real Time, there were a fellow in Maine duplicating on
> > 250 Revox
> > B 215 controlled by a computer interface. If you take  a look at
> > the back of
> > a B 215, you'll see the connector for such parctice.
> >
> > At Los Angeles, there were a fellow using 102 Nakamichis MR-2's.
> > The place
> > was call AAPEX and it was really impressive. Their running masters
> > were done
> > on an MCI 1/2" tape.
> >
> > In England, the PINK ROOM was something else: 100 RX 505 auto
> > reverse decks.
> > Amazing.
> >
> > The people duplicating for Nakamichi and Mobile Fidelity were using
> > ZX-9's.
> >
> > In Puerto Rico, I used to have 50 MR-2's that some people in this
> > list
> > recall me selling those when we changed to Bin Loop.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Terence Finn" <Tpfinn at btinternet.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
> >
> >
> > > Nicely put Carlos
> > >
> > > The only thing to add is that in real time copying over here
> > (last one, I
> > > was involved in, used 200 very specially modified 505's, still
> > have 8!! )
> > is
> > > that with BASF chrome it was normal practice  to set tape EQ  to
> > 120 which
> > > tended to hold up the HF on the many and varied machines the
> > tapes had to
> > > play back on at that time (they would end up in various record
> > company
> > > offices, cars and homes as test "masters", non Dolby.
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:24 AM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Nice exposition, Pokemon. I understand your points but
> > remember: a
> > master
> > > is
> > > > just a master no matter what media is. There's not such thing
> > as a
> > > > "professional master" but just "professional media" as the one
> > you
> > > mentioned
> > > > like the 1/2", 1", 2", ADAT, DAT (mostly), PMCD, 1630, Exabyte,
> > Hard
> > Disc
> > > > etc ... We have media for domestic applications and media for
> > professional
> > > > applications but in many cases we are "forced" to use them both
> > for
> > > certain
> > > > projects. As you mentioned: when we do recopilations and
> > re-issues most
> > of
> > > > the time we don't have access to the original masters due to
> > many
> > reasons
> > > > and we have to work with 78 records, 1/4" 15 ips tapes,
> > cassettes or
> > even
> > > > cylinders from the turn of the 20 th century. Hence, in those
> > cases the
> > > > "master" is not in a prefered pro-media but it's still the
> > master in
> > that
> > > > specific case.
> > > >
> > > > The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As
> > early as the
> > > > 80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at 15
> > ips
> > > > sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all. Then,
> > a little
> > > > while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips encoded
> > with
> > dolby
> > > > SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT became
> > the
> > > standard
> > > > choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived. Now
> > the hard
> > > > disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording masters
> > but many
> > > > people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of
> > course, you
> > still
> > > > have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital era
> > is
> > growing
> > > > really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering
> > business, 8
> > out
> > > > of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results (
> > Grammy,
> > gold
> > > > and platinum records) the public don't even care about it. One
> > of the
> > most
> > > > criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years ago,
> > were the
> > > > Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely
> > squashed,
> > > > distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember how
> > many
> > grammys
> > > > and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ... And
> > let me
> > tell
> > > > you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the
> > producer's
> > > > requirement (as usual).
> > > >
> > > > Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their
> > most
> > > > prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate
> > Concert
> > > Hall
> > > > in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a
> > usual
> > > > practice having a quartet palying classical music while
> > recording it
> > > direct
> > > > to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master
> > machines were ?
> > 10
> > > > Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were
> > then
> > given
> > > > to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate
> > their naks
> > back
> > > > home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a
> > former Nak
> > > > dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a
> > CD. Let
> > me
> > > > tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master
> > has nothing
> > > to
> > > > envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each
> > media has
> > its
> > > > limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will
> > never
> > have
> > > > the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done
> > could be
> > a
> > > > nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.
> > > >
> > > > Let's talk about masters now. We have the recording master,
> > where we put
> > > 24
> > > > channels in a 2" analog tape or 48 channels on a 1" special
> > digital tape
> > > > used in the digital Studers. ADATS were really popular (special
> > vhs) but
> > > > they have been replaced by the Pro-Tools, Nuendo, Otari, etc
> > ... all
> > hard
> > > > disk systems. When that master is mixed down to 2 channels, we
> > converted
> > > it
> > > > to the "original master" the one we send to the pre-mastering
> > house on
> > > 1/2"
> > > > tape, DAT or CDR. The pre-mastering engineer convert it to a
> > "production
> > > > master" the same one that is send to the duplicator for CD's.
> > Usually,
> > it
> > > is
> > > > send on 1630 (looks like a giant DAT) , 8mm Exabyte (similar to
> > the
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>
>
>
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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Sun Oct 10 19:44:25 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WME Drewes)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:44:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR 7 " Missing Doors"
Message-ID: <002601c4aef0$d1f51360$e0231ec4@drewescomp>

Can anyone make a suggestion as to why the CR7 suffers from the 'missing cassette compartment door' syndrone ? In little bit more  than a year I have acquired 4 CR7's  (3 on eBay),yes you guessed it all three had the "doors" missing! There must be a explanation for this.I am a fairly thorough student of all Naks on USA,UK,and German eBay and only CR7's and no lesser CR versions,(of which there are more)had these doors missing. The CR5 door which is exactly the same,but with different printing on it,allways keeps its 'doors'.The problem could therefore not be a break factor ! Were these machines maybe used for 'mastering' and frequently cleaned in a production environment and for convenience the 'doors' were left off (and mislaid) as cleaning would be more frequent then in your and mine's use?
If anyone of you has a spare CR7 or CR5 door ,or ran one of those mastering houses ,please contact me off line.Of the CR series only the 7 and 5 have  the same dimensions.
Thank you.
Walter
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Oct 10 18:39:57 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:39:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
References: <20041010143750.4860.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c4aee7$c7ad0560$e5b50642@john1patlmckrl>

That's a lotta Naks! impressive. What did they dub?

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...


> There was also a place in California called Quadim that had about 117
> MR-1's doing reel time duplication.  All the decks had gear idlers
> and modified for IEC2 equalization.  All the decks were computer
> controlled through their remote jacks.  The source was feed through a
> pro rack mount Dolby Labs "B" encoder and then through a host of
> distribution amps into the decks Ext Encoder In jacks.
>
> I know because I bought the whole system from David Manly (of Manly
> Labs fame) who bought I guess bought it from Quadim.  Here's a
> picture of my friend in from of the racks and racks of decks out at
> David's workshop in West Hollywood.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg
>
> All but 12 of the decks are gone now.  Cleaned up, repair and
> calibrated and then sold on various auction sites.
>
> SJ
>
>
> --- El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
>
>> That's right, Terry. It was an standard practice to record on CRO2
>> with 120
>> eq but 70 ms bias. Remember that we were duplicating at super high
>> speeds
>> with limited freq. response.
>>
>> Speaking on Real Time, there were a fellow in Maine duplicating on
>> 250 Revox
>> B 215 controlled by a computer interface. If you take  a look at
>> the back of
>> a B 215, you'll see the connector for such parctice.
>>
>> At Los Angeles, there were a fellow using 102 Nakamichis MR-2's.
>> The place
>> was call AAPEX and it was really impressive. Their running masters
>> were done
>> on an MCI 1/2" tape.
>>
>> In England, the PINK ROOM was something else: 100 RX 505 auto
>> reverse decks.
>> Amazing.
>>
>> The people duplicating for Nakamichi and Mobile Fidelity were using
>> ZX-9's.
>>
>> In Puerto Rico, I used to have 50 MR-2's that some people in this
>> list
>> recall me selling those when we changed to Bin Loop.
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Terence Finn" <Tpfinn at btinternet.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
>>
>>
>> > Nicely put Carlos
>> >
>> > The only thing to add is that in real time copying over here
>> (last one, I
>> > was involved in, used 200 very specially modified 505's, still
>> have 8!! )
>> is
>> > that with BASF chrome it was normal practice  to set tape EQ  to
>> 120 which
>> > tended to hold up the HF on the many and varied machines the
>> tapes had to
>> > play back on at that time (they would end up in various record
>> company
>> > offices, cars and homes as test "masters", non Dolby.
>> >
>> > Terry
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:24 AM
>> > Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
>> >
>> >
>> > > Nice exposition, Pokemon. I understand your points but
>> remember: a
>> master
>> > is
>> > > just a master no matter what media is. There's not such thing
>> as a
>> > > "professional master" but just "professional media" as the one
>> you
>> > mentioned
>> > > like the 1/2", 1", 2", ADAT, DAT (mostly), PMCD, 1630, Exabyte,
>> Hard
>> Disc
>> > > etc ... We have media for domestic applications and media for
>> professional
>> > > applications but in many cases we are "forced" to use them both
>> for
>> > certain
>> > > projects. As you mentioned: when we do recopilations and
>> re-issues most
>> of
>> > > the time we don't have access to the original masters due to
>> many
>> reasons
>> > > and we have to work with 78 records, 1/4" 15 ips tapes,
>> cassettes or
>> even
>> > > cylinders from the turn of the 20 th century. Hence, in those
>> cases the
>> > > "master" is not in a prefered pro-media but it's still the
>> master in
>> that
>> > > specific case.
>> > >
>> > > The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As
>> early as the
>> > > 80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at 15
>> ips
>> > > sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all. Then,
>> a little
>> > > while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips encoded
>> with
>> dolby
>> > > SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT became
>> the
>> > standard
>> > > choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived. Now
>> the hard
>> > > disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording masters
>> but many
>> > > people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of
>> course, you
>> still
>> > > have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital era
>> is
>> growing
>> > > really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering
>> business, 8
>> out
>> > > of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results (
>> Grammy,
>> gold
>> > > and platinum records) the public don't even care about it. One
>> of the
>> most
>> > > criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years ago,
>> were the
>> > > Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely
>> squashed,
>> > > distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember how
>> many
>> grammys
>> > > and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ... And
>> let me
>> tell
>> > > you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the
>> producer's
>> > > requirement (as usual).
>> > >
>> > > Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their
>> most
>> > > prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate
>> Concert
>> > Hall
>> > > in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a
>> usual
>> > > practice having a quartet palying classical music while
>> recording it
>> > direct
>> > > to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master
>> machines were ?
>> 10
>> > > Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were
>> then
>> given
>> > > to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate
>> their naks
>> back
>> > > home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a
>> former Nak
>> > > dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a
>> CD. Let
>> me
>> > > tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master
>> has nothing
>> > to
>> > > envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each
>> media has
>> its
>> > > limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will
>> never
>> have
>> > > the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done
>> could be
>> a
>> > > nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.
>> > >
>> > > Let's talk about masters now. We have the recording master,
>> where we put
>> > 24
>> > > channels in a 2" analog tape or 48 channels on a 1" special
>> digital tape
>> > > used in the digital Studers. ADATS were really popular (special
>> vhs) but
>> > > they have been replaced by the Pro-Tools, Nuendo, Otari, etc
>> ... all
>> hard
>> > > disk systems. When that master is mixed down to 2 channels, we
>> converted
>> > it
>> > > to the "original master" the one we send to the pre-mastering
>> house on
>> > 1/2"
>> > > tape, DAT or CDR. The pre-mastering engineer convert it to a
>> "production
>> > > master" the same one that is send to the duplicator for CD's.
>> Usually,
>> it
>> > is
>> > > send on 1630 (looks like a giant DAT) , 8mm Exabyte (similar to
>> the
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>
>
>
>
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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 10 19:28:12 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:28:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Revox links.
Message-ID: <BAY16-F29hExkiyPoHZ00025800@hotmail.com>

I probably posted most of these in April for the fellow wanting to repair 
his B215. In any case here are several more in addition to those already 
posted.


http://www.reeltoreel.de/Revox/ReVox.htm

http://www.aucase.com/fiches/fiche14.htm

http://www.therevoxman.ch/

http://www.reeltoreel.de/Revox/A77.htm

http://www.roehrenkramladen.de/Revox/Revox.htm

http://www.theimann.com/Analog/A77/radio_tv_service/index.html

http://www.peterlotz.de/ReVox/revox.html

http://www.tube.ch/r.html


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From miroslavt at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 11 08:02:43 2004
From: miroslavt at hotmail.com (Miroslav Tkachenko)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:02:43 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 manual calibration question
Message-ID: <BAY1-F6FutJLtosJ3Ih0000e635@hotmail.com>

Dear Mark,
Thanks for the info re DR-1 bias! I will test the unit by methos you 
advised.



Best regards,
Miroslav Tkachenko
P.O.B.391
Netania 42103, Israel
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http://www.welcome.to/Opiumusic
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----Original Message Follows----
From: Marc Denis <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-1 manual calibration question
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:57:58 -0400

At 04:46 10/10/2004, you wrote:
>I am Miroslav Tkachenko from Israel . I am new to this forum and enlisted 
>because love to monitor your � analog� talk and learn new things and also 
>have DR-1 and various mobile Nak components including  TD-700 and TD-500.
>Analog cassette recording for me the only choice to record from vinyl ( 
>tried  MD, DAT and quality sound card with CDRs burning). Listen to 80s New 
>Wave and classical music. There are a lot of CD reissues of 80s now but 
>there are a lot of 2nd and 3rd row groups that never seen an issuance of 
>CD. Beside that I prefare vinyl to CD when listen to the same albom.
>Now the problem- I hope there are people out there familiar with DR-1 ( Nak 
>Talk usually evolving around more serious/ expensive models).
>Bias manual calibration responds very very slight. Almost no changes can be 
>heard. In a contrast- my other 3-head decks with manual calibration � Akai 
>GX-6, Onkyo TA-260 change hi frequencies dramatically when turning the 
>calibration knob.
>This DR-1 was bought in Canada not new but in mint condition  from 
>technically educated person ( he also understood in hi-end in general)  who 
>claimed that deck was calibrated by him for Maxell XL-IIS. Now there is no 
>possibility to ask him now for details�. Please  could anyone advise me how 
>should sonically behave manual bias knob on unmodified DR-1 ( slightly or 
>dramatically) and what his calibration  for XL-IIS could possibly mean- 
>that other cassette types/ brands are impossible to set manually?  My 
>manual bias knob is now not operating properly?...
>Thanks in advance!

Hi Miroslav,

a few comments about your message:

-There are manual calibration controls (level and bias) inside your DR-1. 
These are factory set for some type of tapes in each category, e.g. 
Nakamichi SX for Type II. It is possible to change this for, say, Maxell 
XL-IIS but you need test equipment and some knowledge to do this.

-Your fine bias knob on the front panel of the DR-1 works only when 
recording. I think you understand this but I thought I should mention just 
in case. One easy way to evaluate its effects is to put DR-1 in record mode 
and record hiss you will find between two FM stations (with Mute disbled on 
tuner). By putting DR-1 and preamp in playback mode while recording hiss 
from tuner, you should be able to hear quite easily the effect on high 
frequencies of the bias knob at different positions (compare tape vs source 
on tape deck). Leave azimuth at center position while doing this.

-Do your test recordings at low level. Remember frequency response of tape 
decks is measured at a level of -20db and bias adjustments are done at this 
level too I believe. Tape decks with built-in calibration test tones 
automatically adjust meters for higher sensitivity when using high frequency 
to adjust bias, giving the impression the calibration is done at 0 db while 
it is actually done at -20db. If you try to record high frequency tones at 0 
db on Type II tape, tape will saturate and it is very possible that fine 
bias adjustment will be barely noticeable.

Good luck.

-Marc



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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Oct 11 11:08:24 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:08:24 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] 581 imbalance
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6DE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <00cb01c4af71$de748540$1410a8c0@TG>

That's right; my 582 suffered the same. It's to do with "left pinch roller"
581 & 582 has additional adjustment for the left pinch roller, which should
be screwed clockwise. Also, as stated by Tom check the result on another
unit!
Good luck..
Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 imbalance


> Hi David. I have a similar problem with my 680ZX. This could be caused by
> either mechanical or electrical probs. For me it was a mechanical problem,
> it was the first pinch roller (left one) and it did not engage when the
unit
> was in the play mode - hardened grease. This problem alone caused the
levels
> (left one) to drop significantly. I'm sure you have done the usual
cleaning
> the heads and pinch rollers routine but have a look at the heads and see
if
> there is anything odd on them. Try recording the test tones on a tape and
> play the tape back on another unit and take note of the output levels, are
> they equal or are they odd like on your 581. If they are equal then I'd
say
> it will be something on your playback head/electronics of your 581 and
> vice-versa for odd playback levels.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Thompson [mailto:wontulp at zoomnet.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, 8 October 2004 3:42
> To: Naktalk
> Subject: [naktalk] 581 imbalance
>
>
> The bias and rec adjustments on my 581 are not the same. The left
> channel settings will only go to around 10 below zero. Can anyone
> suggest a reason, please?
>
> David
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Oct 11 15:25:29 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:25:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Storage Options
In-Reply-To: <d1.18376a58.2e986434@aol.com>
References: <d1.18376a58.2e986434@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011092429.01a1bcf8@psulias.psu.edu>

I have the wooden Napa Valley wall mounted racks.  Very nice looking, hold 
100 tapes and I think you can still buy them at Wal-mart type places.

At 05:44 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote:
>I've just moved and would like to get something more appealing for my
>cassette storage. Right now I'm using an old dresser but would like 
>something smaller
>that can hold alot of cassettes. Can anyone recommend a storage unit?
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
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From maolinesrl at tiscali.it  Mon Oct 11 16:41:53 2004
From: maolinesrl at tiscali.it (maoline srl)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:41:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Studio recorders and Naks
References: <200410090717.i997H7w0000977@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <002101c4afa0$78783af0$20760b3e@maoline>


Hi, Carlos,

I wonder if you've ever done a side by side comparison between Dolby A, dbx
type I and Dolby SR encoded 1/4 inch tapes @ 15 ips and how would such
masters on a typical studio quality deck compare with a Dolby C encoded high
end metal tape recorded on a CR-7E (in perfect shape, of course) hooked to
the same source.
Thanks in advance,
Paolo Cipollone


> The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As early as the
> 80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at 15 ips
> sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all. Then, a little
> while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips encoded with dolby
> SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT became the
standard
> choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived. Now the hard
> disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording masters but many
> people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of course, you still
> have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital era is growing
> really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering business, 8 out
> of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results ( Grammy, gold
> and platinum records) the public don't even care about it. One of the most
> criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years ago, were the
> Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely squashed,
> distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember how many grammys
> and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ... And let me tell
> you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the producer's
> requirement (as usual).
>
> Now, during the middle 80's (1985) Nakamichi use to take their most
> prominent dealers to Tokyo and visit their Nakamichi Corporate Concert
Hall
> in order to demonstrate their equipment capabilities. It was a usual
> practice having a quartet palying classical music while recording it
direct
> to the masters using only 2 mics. Guess what the master machines were ? 10
> Nakamichis 1000 ZXL with dolby C encoding. These "masters" were then given
> to the dealers as a souvenir and as a media to demonstrate their naks back
> home in their stores. I was blessed with such a copy from a former Nak
> dealer in this list and I  transferred later the cassette to a CD. Let me
> tell you something: the sound of that humble cassette master has nothing
to
> envy anything to a master done on my Studer. Of course, each media has its
> limitations, but we just have to live with it. A cassette will never have
> the same body and everything of a 1/2" tape, but properly done could be a
> nice surprise to even the most discriminating ears.
>



From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Oct 11 22:21:24 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:21:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Storage Options
References: <d1.18376a58.2e986434@aol.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041011092429.01a1bcf8@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <002301c4afcf$ecb39660$4b773242@CopyTech>

Me too. Funny thing is that while living in Napa, I never saw one of those !
Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Storage Options


> I have the wooden Napa Valley wall mounted racks.  Very nice looking, hold
> 100 tapes and I think you can still buy them at Wal-mart type places.
>
> At 05:44 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote:
> >I've just moved and would like to get something more appealing for my
> >cassette storage. Right now I'm using an old dresser but would like
> >something smaller
> >that can hold alot of cassettes. Can anyone recommend a storage unit?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Oct 11 22:28:31 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:28:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Studio recorders and Naks
References: <200410090717.i997H7w0000977@zebra.naks.com>
	<002101c4afa0$78783af0$20760b3e@maoline>
Message-ID: <002a01c4afd0$e1e3fd50$4b773242@CopyTech>

Dolby SR is the best noise reducer hands down but it is  for professional
applications only and the units are expensive. You find one here and there
at e.bay but still over $800.00. I have the vintage model 360, where you can
plug the Dolby A or Dolby SR card. I have 2 mono units, one for each
channel. The model 361 is a newer version and it is stereo. Dolby A are no
longer in use. You see dolby A when decoding old masters only.

The most comparable domestic filter is Dolby S. Most of my SR encodings are
done on 1/2" tape using an Studer A-80 with Manley tape replay electronics,
in other words, I use the machine as a transport only.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "maoline srl" <maolinesrl at tiscali.it>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Studio recorders and Naks


>
> Hi, Carlos,
>
> I wonder if you've ever done a side by side comparison between Dolby A,
dbx
> type I and Dolby SR encoded 1/4 inch tapes @ 15 ips and how would such
> masters on a typical studio quality deck compare with a Dolby C encoded
high
> end metal tape recorded on a CR-7E (in perfect shape, of course) hooked to
> the same source.
> Thanks in advance,
> Paolo Cipollone
>


From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Oct 11 19:16:15 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:16:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
In-Reply-To: <20041004144107.12835.qmail@web40421.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <4160D147.2030409@leckband.com>
	<20041004144107.12835.qmail@web40421.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011131535.01a7df30@psulias.psu.edu>

Scott, how much of a problem is the EQ in performance.
How can it be fixed?

At 10:41 AM 10/4/2004, you wrote:
>Go to my web page
>http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
>
>and scroll down to Nakamichi CR-7A Equalization
>
>Scott J.
>
>--- Craig Leckband <craig at leckband.com> wrote:




From pokemonoman at mac.com  Mon Oct 11 19:55:21 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:55:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
In-Reply-To: <001c01c4ae54$2f3d5110$74773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BD904149.7126%pokemonoman@mac.com>

THIS IS A REALLY COOL STORY. WELL, WHEN YOU GET INTO QUALITY SET UPS LIKE
YHIS, I CAN SEE OFFERING NO ARGUEMENTS AGAINST HIGH QUALITY CASSETTE
DUPLICATION AT ALL.

I HAVE A FEW NAK AND MOBILE CASSETES IN MY LIBRARY HERE SOMEWHERE....

RYKO MADE REASONABLY HIGH QUALITY DUPES AS WELL IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN..

PMJ

on 10/9/04 7:03 PM, El Magnifico at copytec at coqui.net wrote:

> That's right, Terry. It was an standard practice to record on CRO2 with 120
> eq but 70 ms bias. Remember that we were duplicating at super high speeds
> with limited freq. response.
> 
> Speaking on Real Time, there were a fellow in Maine duplicating on 250 Revox
> B 215 controlled by a computer interface. If you take  a look at the back of
> a B 215, you'll see the connector for such parctice.
> 
> At Los Angeles, there were a fellow using 102 Nakamichis MR-2's. The place
> was call AAPEX and it was really impressive. Their running masters were done
> on an MCI 1/2" tape.
> 
> In England, the PINK ROOM was something else: 100 RX 505 auto reverse decks.
> Amazing.
> 
> The people duplicating for Nakamichi and Mobile Fidelity were using ZX-9's.
> 
> In Puerto Rico, I used to have 50 MR-2's that some people in this list
> recall me selling those when we changed to Bin Loop.
> 
> Carlos


THIS IS A REALLY COOL STORY. WELL, WHEN YOU GET INTO QUALITY SET UPS LIKE
YHIS, I CAN SEE OFFERING NO ARGUEMENTS AGAINST HIGH QUALITY CASSETTE
DUPLICATION AT ALL.

I HAVE A FEW NAK AND MOBILE CASSETES IN MY LIBRARY HERE SOMEWHERE....

RYKO MADE REASONABLY HIGH QUALITY DUPES AS WELL IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN..

PMJ



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 21:58:43 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011131535.01a7df30@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <20041011195843.71036.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com>

The EQ fix required a handfull of passive components (resistors and
caps), but, the hard part is recalibrating the deck for the new EQ
setting.  If you don't have the tapes and equipment to do the
calibrated, then you might as well send it to Mr. Sank and have him
do the whole job (gear idler update, rec & pb equization mod and
recalibration).  I my Nak FAQ I think I have a section on the
fundamental differences between IEC1 and IEC2 and they aren't that
big.  If you record and play your own tapes then leave it alone. 
IEC1 is better!  If you play tapes made on other decks then you might
want to just turn down the treble a tad (if you preamp has tone
controls).  If you make tapes to be played on another tape deck (IEC2
std) then you will want to have the mod done since the CR-7's auto
calibration doesn't allow you to lower the bias a little to create
the high frequency boost to match IEC2.  But, beware, your old tapes
will sound dull and require a little treble boost to sound right
again.

I don't have a list of what components change from IEC1 to IEC2 on
the CR-7.  I do have a list of components that change on the MR-1 per
a document from Dolby Labs, but, this is not the same as the MR-1B
changes that Nak made to make their deck IEC2 compliant.

Scott J.

--- Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu> wrote:

> Scott, how much of a problem is the EQ in performance.
> How can it be fixed?
> 
> At 10:41 AM 10/4/2004, you wrote:
> >Go to my web page
> >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
> >
> >and scroll down to Nakamichi CR-7A Equalization
> >
> >Scott J.
> >
> >--- Craig Leckband <craig at leckband.com> wrote:
> 
> 
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 23:32:40 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:32:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
In-Reply-To: <007a01c4aee7$c7ad0560$e5b50642@john1patlmckrl>
Message-ID: <20041011213240.97664.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com>

I don't know what they dub'd.  Yesterday I was going through some of
the paperwork that I got with the system and found system wiring
diagrams for about couple of their mixing rooms and some notes
scribbled on the back of a couple cassette case liners.  One of the
cassette liners was Chris Issac and I can't remember what the other
one was.

Written on the back of each deck was little history of what was
replaced on the unit and the date of the last cal and lube.  A lot of
the decks needed a little TLC to bring back to operations condition. 
Most of them needed brown glue removed from the back of the board
with the VU meter chips (which is not on the back of the VU meters
themselves) because counter display had multiple segments on dimly
and most of them had bad pitch control pots.  

SJ


--- "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net> wrote:

> That's a lotta Naks! impressive. What did they dub?
> 
> John T.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
> 
> 
> > There was also a place in California called Quadim that had about
> 117
> > MR-1's doing reel time duplication.  All the decks had gear
> idlers
> > and modified for IEC2 equalization.  All the decks were computer
> > controlled through their remote jacks.  The source was feed
> through a
> > pro rack mount Dolby Labs "B" encoder and then through a host of
> > distribution amps into the decks Ext Encoder In jacks.
> >
> > I know because I bought the whole system from David Manly (of
> Manly
> > Labs fame) who bought I guess bought it from Quadim.  Here's a
> > picture of my friend in from of the racks and racks of decks out
> at
> > David's workshop in West Hollywood.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg
> >
> > All but 12 of the decks are gone now.  Cleaned up, repair and
> > calibrated and then sold on various auction sites.
> >
> > SJ
> >
> >
> > --- El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
> >
> >> That's right, Terry. It was an standard practice to record on
> CRO2
> >> with 120
> >> eq but 70 ms bias. Remember that we were duplicating at super
> high
> >> speeds
> >> with limited freq. response.
> >>
> >> Speaking on Real Time, there were a fellow in Maine duplicating
> on
> >> 250 Revox
> >> B 215 controlled by a computer interface. If you take  a look at
> >> the back of
> >> a B 215, you'll see the connector for such parctice.
> >>
> >> At Los Angeles, there were a fellow using 102 Nakamichis MR-2's.
> >> The place
> >> was call AAPEX and it was really impressive. Their running
> masters
> >> were done
> >> on an MCI 1/2" tape.
> >>
> >> In England, the PINK ROOM was something else: 100 RX 505 auto
> >> reverse decks.
> >> Amazing.
> >>
> >> The people duplicating for Nakamichi and Mobile Fidelity were
> using
> >> ZX-9's.
> >>
> >> In Puerto Rico, I used to have 50 MR-2's that some people in
> this
> >> list
> >> recall me selling those when we changed to Bin Loop.
> >>
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Terence Finn" <Tpfinn at btinternet.com>
> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:03 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
> >>
> >>
> >> > Nicely put Carlos
> >> >
> >> > The only thing to add is that in real time copying over here
> >> (last one, I
> >> > was involved in, used 200 very specially modified 505's, still
> >> have 8!! )
> >> is
> >> > that with BASF chrome it was normal practice  to set tape EQ 
> to
> >> 120 which
> >> > tended to hold up the HF on the many and varied machines the
> >> tapes had to
> >> > play back on at that time (they would end up in various record
> >> company
> >> > offices, cars and homes as test "masters", non Dolby.
> >> >
> >> > Terry
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:24 AM
> >> > Subject: [naktalk] Masters and so on ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Nice exposition, Pokemon. I understand your points but
> >> remember: a
> >> master
> >> > is
> >> > > just a master no matter what media is. There's not such
> thing
> >> as a
> >> > > "professional master" but just "professional media" as the
> one
> >> you
> >> > mentioned
> >> > > like the 1/2", 1", 2", ADAT, DAT (mostly), PMCD, 1630,
> Exabyte,
> >> Hard
> >> Disc
> >> > > etc ... We have media for domestic applications and media
> for
> >> professional
> >> > > applications but in many cases we are "forced" to use them
> both
> >> for
> >> > certain
> >> > > projects. As you mentioned: when we do recopilations and
> >> re-issues most
> >> of
> >> > > the time we don't have access to the original masters due to
> >> many
> >> reasons
> >> > > and we have to work with 78 records, 1/4" 15 ips tapes,
> >> cassettes or
> >> even
> >> > > cylinders from the turn of the 20 th century. Hence, in
> those
> >> cases the
> >> > > "master" is not in a prefered pro-media but it's still the
> >> master in
> >> that
> >> > > specific case.
> >> > >
> >> > > The master media has evolutioned during the last years. As
> >> early as the
> >> > > 80's, I remember receiving most of the mixes in 1/4" tape at
> 15
> >> ips
> >> > > sometimes encoded with Dolby A , dbx 1 or nothing at all.
> Then,
> >> a little
> >> > > while later,  1/2" at 30 ips with no dolby or at 15 ips
> encoded
> >> with
> >> dolby
> >> > > SR was the rule (and still in many cases). Then the DAT
> became
> >> the
> >> > standard
> >> > > choice for small studios in the 90's until the CDR arrived.
> Now
> >> the hard
> >> > > disk of the Pro Tools became the choice for recording
> masters
> >> but many
> >> > > people still do the mix down on CDR's, unfortunately. Of
> >> course, you
> >> still
> >> > > have the high budget projects mixed on 1/2" but the digital
> era
> >> is
> >> growing
> >> > > really, really fast, again; unfortunately. In my mastering
> >> business, 8
> >> out
> >> > > of 10 masters arrives in CDR's and according to the results
> (
> >> Grammy,
> >> gold
> >> > > and platinum records) the public don't even care about it.
> One
> >> of the
> >> most
> >> > > criticized masterings in the industry, a couple of years
> ago,
> >> were the
> >> > > Santana Supernatural disc that Ted Jensen did: completely
> >> squashed,
> >> > > distorted and awful sounding. Guess what: do you remember
> how
> >> many
> >> grammys
> >> > > and sales it got ? Now you know what I'm talking about ...
> And
> >> let me
> >> tell
> >> > > you: perhaps it wasn't Ted's fault. Maybe it simply was the
> >> producer's
> >> > > requirement (as usual).
> 
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Oct 12 20:21:02 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:21:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4afd0$e1e3fd50$4b773242@CopyTech>
References: <200410090717.i997H7w0000977@zebra.naks.com>
	<002101c4afa0$78783af0$20760b3e@maoline>
	<002a01c4afd0$e1e3fd50$4b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012141908.0194c610@psulias.psu.edu>

Anyone used this deck?  Top of the line Sony from 1996.
I've never had much use for Sony products, but it looks like a well built 
deck, and reviews for it are pretty good.



From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Wed Oct 13 08:34:10 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:34:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
Message-ID: <200410130234_MC3-1-8C0B-1530@compuserve.com>

Hi,

I have two cr7's one manufactured in 7.8.9 1986 with original EQ and
anothermanufactured in 7.8.9 1987 with updated EQ (still has the idler tire
though). The schematic I bought from "techman" corresponds to the old EQ
scheme. The EQ update is only for the record calibration circuit and has
nothing to do with the playback characteristics.

Visually comparing both decks I found the following changes:

1) In the original circuit R122 for L channel and R222 for the R channel
was a single 15K resistor. In the upgrade this is replaced by two resistors
in series with values 12k and 100ohm, and there is a 330nF cap in parallel
to the 100ohm resistor.
2) R152/252 is a 10k resistor. In the upgrade, there is a 6.8k resistor and
a 15nF cap in series are connected in parallel to it.
3) R155/255 is a 6.8k resistor. In the upgrade, a 10k resistor and a 10nF
cap in series are connected in parallel to it.
4) R158/258 is a 12k resistor. Original components that are parallel to it
are R172/272 (10k) and C122/222 (2200pF) in series. In the upgrade,
R172/272 is 270k and C122/222 is 3300pF.

These are all passive components around IC301(which is an analog switch IC)
and pots for adjusting the record level for both L and R channels (VR101
and 201 for ZX, VR102 and 202 for SX and VR103 and 203 for the EX type).

Kannan told me there is no need for recalibration, just changing the
components would be sufficient.
Interestingly, there are already holes in the board to stuff some of the
additional components.
I did not make the change yet and don't know how much audible difference it
makes. I assume the treble response will be boosted a little.

Hope my description is clear enough. Some of the component values I have
written may be incorrect!

Thanks,
_Fuad

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The EQ fix required a handfull of passive components (resistors and
caps), but, the hard part is recalibrating the deck for the new EQ
setting.  If you don't have the tapes and equipment to do the
calibrated, then you might as well send it to Mr. Sank and have him
do the whole job (gear idler update, rec & pb equization mod and
recalibration).  I my Nak FAQ I think I have a section on the
fundamental differences between IEC1 and IEC2 and they aren't that
big.  If you record and play your own tapes then leave it alone. 
IEC1 is better!  If you play tapes made on other decks then you might
want to just turn down the treble a tad (if you preamp has tone
controls).  If you make tapes to be played on another tape deck (IEC2
std) then you will want to have the mod done since the CR-7's auto
calibration doesn't allow you to lower the bias a little to create
the high frequency boost to match IEC2.  But, beware, your old tapes
will sound dull and require a little treble boost to sound right
again.

I don't have a list of what components change from IEC1 to IEC2 on
the CR-7.  I do have a list of components that change on the MR-1 per
a document from Dolby Labs, but, this is not the same as the MR-1B
changes that Nak made to make their deck IEC2 compliant.

Scott J.

--- Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu> wrote:

> Scott, how much of a problem is the EQ in performance.
> How can it be fixed?
> 
> At 10:41 AM 10/4/2004, you wrote:
> >Go to my web page
> >http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
> >
> >and scroll down to Nakamichi CR-7A Equalization
> >
> >Scott J.
> >
> >--- Craig Leckband <craig at leckband.com> wrote:
> 
> 
><




From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Oct 13 10:41:04 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:41:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
Message-ID: <s16d0676.086@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi,

I haven't used it or personally owned one, but I have heard a friends
unit perform quite extensively.  It is a excellent sounding machine with
a neutral and powerful sound.  The transport is stable (dual capstan,
quartz locked and direct drive from a tough brushless motor).  The
3-head set up uses what Sony called a "laser-amorphous" design.  It also
features Dolby S which would be a home-grown Sony chip.  It uses a very
high frequency bias signal (around 160kHz) and has a sorbothane casette
holder.  This is the best of the last Sony single decks and from what I
can see, packed all of their cassette know-how into it.

I think Michael Yoder has one, so he will possibly give a few views on
life with a KA3ES!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 10/12/04 08:21PM >>>
Anyone used this deck?  Top of the line Sony from 1996.
I've never had much use for Sony products, but it looks like a well
built 
deck, and reviews for it are pretty good.

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From sendigitall at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 14:09:42 2004
From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] out put level difference
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hi 

  does pre recorded cassettes have a higher output level on the LEFT channel that the right?? ..cause most pre recorded cassettes when played in my nak 1.5 gives a higher out put in the left channel ...is ths normal for pre recorded cassettes ..or is it a problem with my deck ?...

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Oct 13 17:41:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:41:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] out put level difference
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Could be both. On prerecorded cassettes, all 4 tracks are record at the same time at high speeds. Usually, if the operator wasn't careful enough, one of the channels tends to go higher than others. BUT, in your case, if every single cassette you play has the same channel drop, then, could be azymuth adjustment or something else wrong with your machine.

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  hi 

    does pre recorded cassettes have a higher output level on the LEFT channel that the right?? ..cause most pre recorded cassettes when played in my nak 1.5 gives a higher out put in the left channel ...is ths normal for pre recorded cassettes ..or is it a problem with my deck ?...

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From bhonhoff at dds.nl  Wed Oct 13 14:42:08 2004
From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:42:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
In-Reply-To: <s16d0676.086@mroute.sunint.co.za>
References: <s16d0676.086@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <1097671328.416d22a08617a@webmail.dds.nl>

Hi,

I do own an CR7 and the TC-KA6ES (the european version of the TC-KA3ES without 
a switch to disable HX Pro)

In a comparison test (together with a REVOX 215) where several Classic, Jazz 
and Country CDs were recorded and then played back at the same time as the CR7, 
Revox 215 and Sony TC-KA6ES the following comments could be heard from the 
hearing panel:

All decks are extremely high quality. The comments below are about really small 
differences. In a non-comparison situation all recorders sounded superb!

- Revox 215 sounds sturdy and solid (To much bass?)
- Sony TC-KA6ES sounded as if the Record and Playback head were not aligned as 
perfect as the two others (later, according Sony Technical Service they were 
aligned correctly ;-)
- CR7 sounded filigrain. Pleasure to listen to.

Of course all interconnects were HQ, we listened to Quad 606 and ESL-63s.
And Sony Amp TA-5ES and B&W 801mk2. Tapes were new TDK-SAIIs and Sony Metal in 
ceramix housings (C-90s). And all recorders were either (Auto adjusted (Revox & 
Nak) or carefully manually adjusted - Sony)

To my opinion Sony Technical Personal are not trained/used to calibrate ES 
stuff as Revox and Nakamichi Technicians are. (Holland has a superb company 
TransTec for Naks)

regards,

bart

Quoting Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>:

> Hi,
> 
> I haven't used it or personally owned one, but I have heard a friends
> unit perform quite extensively.  It is a excellent sounding machine with
> a neutral and powerful sound.  The transport is stable (dual capstan,
> quartz locked and direct drive from a tough brushless motor).  The
> 3-head set up uses what Sony called a "laser-amorphous" design.  It also
> features Dolby S which would be a home-grown Sony chip.  It uses a very
> high frequency bias signal (around 160kHz) and has a sorbothane casette
> holder.  This is the best of the last Sony single decks and from what I
> can see, packed all of their cassette know-how into it.
> 
> I think Michael Yoder has one, so he will possibly give a few views on
> life with a KA3ES!!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marc
> 
> >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 10/12/04 08:21PM >>>
> Anyone used this deck?  Top of the line Sony from 1996.
> I've never had much use for Sony products, but it looks like a well
> built 
> deck, and reviews for it are pretty good.
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Oct 13 15:14:06 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:14:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
In-Reply-To: <200410130234_MC3-1-8C0B-1530@compuserve.com>
References: <200410130234_MC3-1-8C0B-1530@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041013091303.019de390@psulias.psu.edu>

So the EQ problem only affects recording and not playback?
How did the deck sound before the mods?

At 02:34 AM 10/13/2004, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have two cr7's one manufactured in 7.8.9 1986 with original EQ and
>anothermanufactured in 7.8.9 1987 with updated EQ (still has the idler tire
>though). The schematic I bought from "techman" corresponds to the old EQ
>scheme. The EQ update is only for the record calibration circuit and has
>nothing to do with the playback characteristics.
>
>Visually comparing both decks I found the following changes:
>
>1) In the original circuit R122 for L channel and R222 for the R channel
>was a single 15K resistor. In the upgrade this is replaced by two resistors
>in series with values 12k and 100ohm, and there is a 330nF cap in parallel
>to the 100ohm resistor.
>2) R152/252 is a 10k resistor. In the upgrade, there is a 6.8k resistor and
>a 15nF cap in series are connected in parallel to it.
>3) R155/255 is a 6.8k resistor. In the upgrade, a 10k resistor and a 10nF
>cap in series are connected in parallel to it.
>4) R158/258 is a 12k resistor. Original components that are parallel to it
>are R172/272 (10k) and C122/222 (2200pF) in series. In the upgrade,
>R172/272 is 270k and C122/222 is 3300pF.
>
>These are all passive components around IC301(which is an analog switch IC)
>and pots for adjusting the record level for both L and R channels (VR101
>and 201 for ZX, VR102 and 202 for SX and VR103 and 203 for the EX type).
>
>Kannan told me there is no need for recalibration, just changing the
>components would be sufficient.
>Interestingly, there are already holes in the board to stuff some of the
>additional components.
>I did not make the change yet and don't know how much audible difference it
>makes. I assume the treble response will be boosted a little.
>
>Hope my description is clear enough. Some of the component values I have
>written may be incorrect!
>
>Thanks,
>_Fuad




From msyoder at border.net  Wed Oct 13 15:27:21 2004
From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:27:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
In-Reply-To: <200410131000.i9DA0Lvw021030@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <9D015A3A-1D1B-11D9-89B4-000A95EBBF0E@border.net>

Indeed I do have experience with this Sony.

It's the best machine I own.  I use it almost exclusively for recording 
live instruments in my recording studio.  The sound is stunning.  The 
calibration is really accurate.  I believe it uses three frequencies in 
the calibration process, but I can check the manual.

I'm literally on my way out the door for an overnight trip to 
Monterrey, Mexico and will write more details when I return.

Until then,
Michael Yoder

On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 05:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com 
wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:21:02 -0400
> From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012141908.0194c610 at psulias.psu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Anyone used this deck?  Top of the line Sony from 1996.
> I've never had much use for Sony products, but it looks like a well 
> built
> deck, and reviews for it are pretty good.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:41:04 +0200
> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> Message-ID: <s16d0676.086 at mroute.sunint.co.za>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Hi,
>
> I haven't used it or personally owned one, but I have heard a friends
> unit perform quite extensively.  It is a excellent sounding machine 
> with
> a neutral and powerful sound.  The transport is stable (dual capstan,
> quartz locked and direct drive from a tough brushless motor).  The
> 3-head set up uses what Sony called a "laser-amorphous" design.  It 
> also
> features Dolby S which would be a home-grown Sony chip.  It uses a very
> high frequency bias signal (around 160kHz) and has a sorbothane casette
> holder.  This is the best of the last Sony single decks and from what I
> can see, packed all of their cassette know-how into it.
>
> I think Michael Yoder has one, so he will possibly give a few views on
> life with a KA3ES!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc



From pokemonoman at mac.com  Wed Oct 13 15:56:16 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:56:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Ready to buy, CR7 or Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007102239.019b2480@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <BD92AC40.7283%pokemonoman@mac.com>

660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX


on 10/7/04 10:27 AM, Derrick Beckner at dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu wrote:

> OK, just unloaded a NAD C541 and a bunch of old board games, and I'm ready
> to buy.
> tentm looking for the following priorities.
> 1. Playback of prerecorded tapes.
> 2. Playback of tapes recorded by high quality non-Nak decks.
> 3. Recording for playback on same deck.
> 4. Playback of tapes recorded by inferior decks (tape trading days)
> 
> Reliability is also an issue.  I don't want to have to ship the thing off
> to get fixed constantly.  Surprisingly it seems CR7s have more problems
> than Dragons.
> 
> I know the early CR7s have idler problems and equalizer problems, I'd like
> to avoid that.
> Any Dragon models that should be avoided?
> 
> Does the ZX-9 or RX-505 give the above two a challenge?
> 
> Thanks for any advice you can offer

660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Oct 13 15:57:06 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:57:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
In-Reply-To: <9D015A3A-1D1B-11D9-89B4-000A95EBBF0E@border.net>
References: <200410131000.i9DA0Lvw021030@zebra.naks.com>
	<9D015A3A-1D1B-11D9-89B4-000A95EBBF0E@border.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041013095611.01acf7d0@psulias.psu.edu>

Thanks for everyone's insight on the Sony deck!




From pokemonoman at mac.com  Wed Oct 13 16:15:56 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:15:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041013091303.019de390@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <BD92B0DC.7287%pokemonoman@mac.com>

I'M SORRY , I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THST EQ ONLY AFFECTED PLAYBACK AND
NOT RECORDING...

PMJ

on 10/13/04 9:14 AM, Derrick Beckner at dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu wrote:

> So the EQ problem only affects recording and not playback?
> How did the deck sound before the mods?

I'M SORRY , I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THST EQ ONLY AFFECTED PLAYBACK AND
NOT RECORDING...

PMJ



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 19:58:21 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:58:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041013091303.019de390@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <20041013175821.60434.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com>

The playback may not require component changes (I thought it did
though), but, it definately will require recalibration.

IEC1 records the treble slightly lower than IEC2 (or IEC2 records the
treble slightly highier than IEC1 depending on how you look at it). 
Upon playback IEC1 decks will boost the treble to compensate and give
flat frequency response.

Remember the magazine test reports of the Nak decks.  You always see
the 2-3 dB rise on the top end when playing the BASF frequency
response test tape.  All the other decks are flat with this tape (or
have high frequency roll off.)  The 2-3 dB rise is from the IEC1
playback EQ boosting the treble on playback.

Tape decks will distort loud high frequencies more easily than the
low.  This gives IEC1 decks an extra 1-3 dB of headroom in the top
end over IEC2 decks.  Rumor has it that the IEC2 standard came about
to compensate for the low quality heads used on run of the mill
decks.  Since Nakamichi didn't have a problem in this area, why go to
IEC2 which doesn't do anything for them in terms of frequency
response, but, hurts them in the maximum levels they can record.  In
the end the inferior standard won!  (Just like in the VHS and Beta
war.)

_Fuad, that's for the posting the differences between your two
CR-7's.  I will add that information to my Nakamichi FAQ page.
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html

Scott J.

--- Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu> wrote:

> So the EQ problem only affects recording and not playback?
> How did the deck sound before the mods?
> 
> At 02:34 AM 10/13/2004, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have two cr7's one manufactured in 7.8.9 1986 with original EQ
> and
> >anothermanufactured in 7.8.9 1987 with updated EQ (still has the
> idler tire
> >though). The schematic I bought from "techman" corresponds to the
> old EQ
> >scheme. The EQ update is only for the record calibration circuit
> and has
> >nothing to do with the playback characteristics.
> >
> >Visually comparing both decks I found the following changes:
> >
> >1) In the original circuit R122 for L channel and R222 for the R
> channel
> >was a single 15K resistor. In the upgrade this is replaced by two
> resistors
> >in series with values 12k and 100ohm, and there is a 330nF cap in
> parallel
> >to the 100ohm resistor.
> >2) R152/252 is a 10k resistor. In the upgrade, there is a 6.8k
> resistor and
> >a 15nF cap in series are connected in parallel to it.
> >3) R155/255 is a 6.8k resistor. In the upgrade, a 10k resistor and
> a 10nF
> >cap in series are connected in parallel to it.
> >4) R158/258 is a 12k resistor. Original components that are
> parallel to it
> >are R172/272 (10k) and C122/222 (2200pF) in series. In the
> upgrade,
> >R172/272 is 270k and C122/222 is 3300pF.
> >
> >These are all passive components around IC301(which is an analog
> switch IC)
> >and pots for adjusting the record level for both L and R channels
> (VR101
> >and 201 for ZX, VR102 and 202 for SX and VR103 and 203 for the EX
> type).
> >
> >Kannan told me there is no need for recalibration, just changing
> the
> >components would be sufficient.
> >Interestingly, there are already holes in the board to stuff some
> of the
> >additional components.
> >I did not make the change yet and don't know how much audible
> difference it
> >makes. I assume the treble response will be boosted a little.
> >
> >Hope my description is clear enough. Some of the component values
> I have
> >written may be incorrect!
> >
> >Thanks,
> >_Fuad
> 
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct 14 01:25:10 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:25:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES - TRANSTEC
In-Reply-To: <1097671328.416d22a08617a@webmail.dds.nl>
Message-ID: <000801c4b17b$e220a320$0fe04c51@oemcomputer>

Slight correction:  Holland USED to have a superb company looking after Nak
decks - TransTec have ceased to service them and now refer Nak owners to
Bowers & Wilkins in England.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of bart honhoff
> Sent: 13 October 2004 13:42
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I do own an CR7 and the TC-KA6ES (the european version of the
> TC-KA3ES without
> a switch to disable HX Pro)
>
> In a comparison test (together with a REVOX 215) where several
> Classic, Jazz
> and Country CDs were recorded and then played back at the same
> time as the CR7,
> Revox 215 and Sony TC-KA6ES the following comments could be heard
> from the
> hearing panel:
>
> All decks are extremely high quality. The comments below are
> about really small
> differences. In a non-comparison situation all recorders sounded superb!
>
> - Revox 215 sounds sturdy and solid (To much bass?)
> - Sony TC-KA6ES sounded as if the Record and Playback head were
> not aligned as
> perfect as the two others (later, according Sony Technical
> Service they were
> aligned correctly ;-)
> - CR7 sounded filigrain. Pleasure to listen to.
>
> Of course all interconnects were HQ, we listened to Quad 606 and ESL-63s.
> And Sony Amp TA-5ES and B&W 801mk2. Tapes were new TDK-SAIIs and
> Sony Metal in
> ceramix housings (C-90s). And all recorders were either (Auto
> adjusted (Revox &
> Nak) or carefully manually adjusted - Sony)
>
> To my opinion Sony Technical Personal are not trained/used to
> calibrate ES
> stuff as Revox and Nakamichi Technicians are. (Holland has a
> superb company
> TransTec for Naks)
>
> regards,
>
> bart
>
>
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Fri Oct 15 07:54:48 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:54:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
Message-ID: <200410150155_MC3-1-8C4F-931D@compuserve.com>

Scott,
You are welcome to add my comparison to your site, I just hope all the
component values are correct. Since I did not make the changes yet, there
is no guarantee it will work.
Actually, I did the gear-mod on the newer CR-7 and was going to send an
e-mail to the list describing the procedure, but never had time. It turned
out to be more complicated than I thought. If anybody is interested, I can
try to write couple things, but it has been a while and I started to forgot
how I did it..

Thanks,
_Fuad

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The playback may not require component changes (I thought it did
though), but, it definately will require recalibration.

IEC1 records the treble slightly lower than IEC2 (or IEC2 records the
treble slightly highier than IEC1 depending on how you look at it). 
Upon playback IEC1 decks will boost the treble to compensate and give
flat frequency response.

Remember the magazine test reports of the Nak decks.  You always see
the 2-3 dB rise on the top end when playing the BASF frequency
response test tape.  All the other decks are flat with this tape (or
have high frequency roll off.)  The 2-3 dB rise is from the IEC1
playback EQ boosting the treble on playback.

Tape decks will distort loud high frequencies more easily than the
low.  This gives IEC1 decks an extra 1-3 dB of headroom in the top
end over IEC2 decks.  Rumor has it that the IEC2 standard came about
to compensate for the low quality heads used on run of the mill
decks.  Since Nakamichi didn't have a problem in this area, why go to
IEC2 which doesn't do anything for them in terms of frequency
response, but, hurts them in the maximum levels they can record.  In
the end the inferior standard won!  (Just like in the VHS and Beta
war.)

_Fuad, that's for the posting the differences between your two
CR-7's.  I will add that information to my Nakamichi FAQ page.
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html

Scott J.
<




From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Fri Oct 15 07:54:48 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:54:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
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Hi Derrick,
I did not perform the EQ upgrade yet. I just compared the differences when
I got the newer deck earlier this year.
Maybe I can do some measurements before and after the upgrade, but I don't
think I will be doing the modification anytime soon..
_Fuad

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So the EQ problem only affects recording and not playback?
How did the deck sound before the mods?

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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Fri Oct 15 07:54:47 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:54:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
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More info about Sony decks:

In the 1999 Japanese Sony catalogue there is also TC-KA7 model, listed
together with the TC-KA3. Externally they look similar, but the fluorescent
display is on the other side of the cassette door, which is in the center
on both types. There are no differences in their spec, frequency range etc
are the same although KA7 has 210kHz bias compared to 160kHz of the KA3.

The biggest difference is in their weight and their price tag (of course):
TC-KA7 is 12kg and cost 120,000Y while KA3 is 7.6kg and cost 'only'
65,000Y..!

The 2002 catalogue has the TC-KA3 only..

_Fuad
 
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Hi,

I do own an CR7 and the TC-KA6ES (the european version of the TC-KA3ES
without 
a switch to disable HX Pro)
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Oct 15 05:32:32 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:32:32 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Broken 1000ZXL fetching over $600
In-Reply-To: <000801c4b17b$e220a320$0fe04c51@oemcomputer>
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Looks like there is still demand for a broken 1000ZXL - this baby is
fetching overy $611 with 5 hours to go ... Can one still buy parts to fix it
up? And candidly, other then collector's heart, what is the application of
this 25 year-old baby?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5724821078&ssPageName=ADM
E:B:WN:US:1



From sendigitall at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 10:10:04 2004
From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:10:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] out put level difference
In-Reply-To: <BD929CED.7275%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20041015081004.29707.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>

hi thanks a lot ..
       well my deck is a CASSETTE DECK 1.5 ( not the ones like u talk about.. this is very normal system) ...and it has LED level meters i think 13 segments .And it doesnt have a  a VU meter.
 The LEDs show a higher out put in the left and ...the actuall sound out put thru the amp is also true to it.I hear a distinct high out put in the left speaker..so i dont think ..there is any thing wrong with the LEDs casue when i play the cassettes i recorded in it ..the level is ok ..or displays ..wat was set during recording.
   And one more thing ..the pre recorded cassettes i have are not ...from a very good or perfect mastring companies....but still ..the new ..digital recording cassettes(which i hate) also show the same level difference.

ok wats an OUTPUT BALANCE MIS ADJUSTMENT PROBLEM? and is therer any adjusment for it which can be done manually?..thanks  a lot ...again.
POKEMONOJEFF <pokemonoman at mac.com> wrote:
SOUNDS LIKE AN OUTPUT BALANCE MIS ADJUSTMENT PROBLEM, OR A NEEDED TO BE RE-CALIBRATED V.U. METER PROBLEM, OR A HEAD ALIGHMENT PROBLEM.... DO YOU MEAN THE V.U. METERS AVERAGE A HIGHER OUTPUT OR THE ACTUAL AUDIBLE LEVEL IS LOUDER IN THE LEFT CHANNEL??  MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR A NAKAMICHI "TUNE-UP"???


		
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From msyoder at border.net  Fri Oct 15 12:26:37 2004
From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:26:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sony TC-KA3ES
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Hi all,

I'm now back from Monterrey where I had to present a conference paper.  
Gosh, that city has grown tremendously in the last 3-5 years!  
Lamentably, many parts are  becoming a US-franchise wasteland.  But it 
still retains its Mexican Modern charm and is truly a world class city. 
  The cost of living rivals that of the more expensive of Texas cities 
like Laredo and Austin, yet there are plenty of underemployed men and 
women with masters degrees and even doctorates.  I'm glad to see the 
state of Mexican pop/rock music picking up. . . .

To add to my comments of a couple of days ago about the Sony TC-KA3ES 
machine.  . . . The only time I did an A-B comparison of tape versus CD 
alone involved one of the recent Diana Krall CDs.  I'm not crazy about 
her, but her small ensemble is generally well recorded and revealing of 
minute details in vocal nuances and good soundstage.  I could tell no 
difference whatsoever between source and taped music, once the tape was 
well-calibrated (various TDK, and Sony formulations.)  But I only did 
that once.  I use the machine exclusively in my home project studio 
that includes (in order from source to tape) Shure SM58 mic on trumpet, 
SM57 on hand drums, BG4.1 condenser mics on cymbals, overheads, and on 
flute, MXR Bass DI+ direct box/preamp for bass, Canare mic cables, 
Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro mixing desk,  and Canare cables from the mixer to 
the Sony TC-KA3ES.  I blend in a little bit of Zoom 507 reverb (more 
"dry"than "wet" to give the mix some air.  (A footnote here: the 32KHz 
sampling rate of the Zoom is an advantage, in my view.  It  makes the 
reverb sound a little bit softer or warmer, and less "digital" sounding 
than other reverb units I have used with 44.1KHz sampling rates.)

Anyhow, I've used this and very similar setups with the Tascam 112MkII 
and Nakamichi DR-3 machines for live-to-2-track recordings, and the 
Sony is the best of the three.  The soundstage is broader and deeper, 
the percussion and bass are a bit snappier (quicker) and therefore 
punchier as well as fuller.  I hear absolutely no hiss when using Dolby 
S.  The cymbals sound natural.  The trumpet and flute are silky.  
Everything is well placed in the soundstage, and there is no clutter 
between instruments.  On a good day, the overall sound is better than 
many commercially available jazz CDs I buy.

I recently tried doing some mixdowns of 4-track analog material (Tascam 
424 MkII) to the Sony, and the results were stunning when I slapped the 
CD copy onto my Arcam-Rega-JMLab sound system downstairs (A-A-D 
recordings).

Compared to the Tascam 112MkII, the Sony's overall sound is more 
neutral while the Tascam (which I love about 90% as much) has a certain 
unique character to the sound which is attractive.  The Tascam I use 
mostly for remote sessions because I have it mounted in a rack gig-bag 
(For me, "remote" means taking it to different parts of the house for 
convenience.  I have yet to go on location somewhere away from home 
with it, but that was the intention of buying that. . . .for example, 
to record my jazz trio live at the university, or whatever.)  Whereas 
the Tascam is set up by the factory for TDK SA, the Sony can be easily 
calibrated to any of the CrO2 formulations I have used.

The machine is built like a tank.  It took me a couple of times to get 
used to the motorised door.  It has quite a bit of "headroom" before 
distortion sets in.  I think this machine was in some ways Sony's 
attempt to go head to head (no pun intended) with the Tascam 122 MkIII.

I don't care to record directly to DAT anymore. . . .DAT will be used 
for the final mastering only, and CD copies made from that.

I hope these ramblings help.  In short, I recommend the Sony.

Cheers,
Michael

On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 08:27 AM, Yoder Michael wrote:

> Indeed I do have experience with this Sony.
>
> It's the best machine I own.  I use it almost exclusively for 
> recording live instruments in my recording studio.  The sound is 
> stunning.  The calibration is really accurate.  I believe it uses 
> three frequencies in the calibration process, but I can check the 
> manual.
>
> I'm literally on my way out the door for an overnight trip to 
> Monterrey, Mexico and will write more details when I return.
>
> Until then,
> Michael Yoder
>
> On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 05:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com 
> wrote:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:21:02 -0400
>> From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>> Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012141908.0194c610 at psulias.psu.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>>
>> Anyone used this deck?  Top of the line Sony from 1996.
>> I've never had much use for Sony products, but it looks like a well 
>> built
>> deck, and reviews for it are pretty good.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:41:04 +0200
>> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>> Message-ID: <s16d0676.086 at mroute.sunint.co.za>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I haven't used it or personally owned one, but I have heard a friends
>> unit perform quite extensively.  It is a excellent sounding machine 
>> with
>> a neutral and powerful sound.  The transport is stable (dual capstan,
>> quartz locked and direct drive from a tough brushless motor).  The
>> 3-head set up uses what Sony called a "laser-amorphous" design.  It 
>> also
>> features Dolby S which would be a home-grown Sony chip.  It uses a 
>> very
>> high frequency bias signal (around 160kHz) and has a sorbothane 
>> casette
>> holder.  This is the best of the last Sony single decks and from what 
>> I
>> can see, packed all of their cassette know-how into it.
>>
>> I think Michael Yoder has one, so he will possibly give a few views on
>> life with a KA3ES!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Marc
>



From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 14:20:41 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 flaws
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Message-ID: <20041015122041.21128.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi guys
the CR7 without this rec eq mod will not have good Hi freq response - you can clearly hear the difference after the mod as the change is quite dramatic. I have done the mod myself - the Deck went to Graham - UK !
Without  the mod the noise floor is very low( you have to auto calibrate and record) - would sound wonderful still !
kannan

Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> wrote:
Hi Derrick,
I did not perform the EQ upgrade yet. I just compared the differences when
I got the newer deck earlier this year.
Maybe I can do some measurements before and after the upgrade, but I don't
think I will be doing the modification anytime soon..
_Fuad

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So the EQ problem only affects recording and not playback?
How did the deck sound before the mods?

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Oct 15 15:10:13 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:10:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sony TC-KA3ES
Message-ID: <s16fe85f.029@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Michael,

Many thanks for the very informative (and newsy!!) post.  Have a great weekend.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> msyoder at border.net 10/15/04 12:26PM >>>
Hi all,

I'm now back from Monterrey where I had to present a conference paper.  
Gosh, that city has grown tremendously in the last 3-5 years!  
Lamentably, many parts are  becoming a US-franchise wasteland.  But it 
still retains its Mexican Modern charm and is truly a world class city. 
  The cost of living rivals that of the more expensive of Texas cities 
like Laredo and Austin, yet there are plenty of underemployed men and 
women with masters degrees and even doctorates.  I'm glad to see the 
state of Mexican pop/rock music picking up. . . .

To add to my comments of a couple of days ago about the Sony TC-KA3ES 
machine.  . . . The only time I did an A-B comparison of tape versus CD 
alone involved one of the recent Diana Krall CDs.  I'm not crazy about 
her, but her small ensemble is generally well recorded and revealing of 
minute details in vocal nuances and good soundstage.  I could tell no 
difference whatsoever between source and taped music, once the tape was 
well-calibrated (various TDK, and Sony formulations.)  But I only did 
that once.  I use the machine exclusively in my home project studio 
that includes (in order from source to tape) Shure SM58 mic on trumpet, 
SM57 on hand drums, BG4.1 condenser mics on cymbals, overheads, and on 
flute, MXR Bass DI+ direct box/preamp for bass, Canare mic cables, 
Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro mixing desk,  and Canare cables from the mixer to 
the Sony TC-KA3ES.  I blend in a little bit of Zoom 507 reverb (more 
"dry"than "wet" to give the mix some air.  (A footnote here: the 32KHz 
sampling rate of the Zoom is an advantage, in my view.  It  makes the 
reverb sound a little bit softer or warmer, and less "digital" sounding 
than other reverb units I have used with 44.1KHz sampling rates.)

Anyhow, I've used this and very similar setups with the Tascam 112MkII 
and Nakamichi DR-3 machines for live-to-2-track recordings, and the 
Sony is the best of the three.  The soundstage is broader and deeper, 
the percussion and bass are a bit snappier (quicker) and therefore 
punchier as well as fuller.  I hear absolutely no hiss when using Dolby 
S.  The cymbals sound natural.  The trumpet and flute are silky.  
Everything is well placed in the soundstage, and there is no clutter 
between instruments.  On a good day, the overall sound is better than 
many commercially available jazz CDs I buy.

I recently tried doing some mixdowns of 4-track analog material (Tascam 
424 MkII) to the Sony, and the results were stunning when I slapped the 
CD copy onto my Arcam-Rega-JMLab sound system downstairs (A-A-D 
recordings).

Compared to the Tascam 112MkII, the Sony's overall sound is more 
neutral while the Tascam (which I love about 90% as much) has a certain 
unique character to the sound which is attractive.  The Tascam I use 
mostly for remote sessions because I have it mounted in a rack gig-bag 
(For me, "remote" means taking it to different parts of the house for 
convenience.  I have yet to go on location somewhere away from home 
with it, but that was the intention of buying that. . . .for example, 
to record my jazz trio live at the university, or whatever.)  Whereas 
the Tascam is set up by the factory for TDK SA, the Sony can be easily 
calibrated to any of the CrO2 formulations I have used.

The machine is built like a tank.  It took me a couple of times to get 
used to the motorised door.  It has quite a bit of "headroom" before 
distortion sets in.  I think this machine was in some ways Sony's 
attempt to go head to head (no pun intended) with the Tascam 122 MkIII.

I don't care to record directly to DAT anymore. . . .DAT will be used 
for the final mastering only, and CD copies made from that.

I hope these ramblings help.  In short, I recommend the Sony.

Cheers,
Michael

On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 08:27 AM, Yoder Michael wrote:

> Indeed I do have experience with this Sony.
>
> It's the best machine I own.  I use it almost exclusively for 
> recording live instruments in my recording studio.  The sound is 
> stunning.  The calibration is really accurate.  I believe it uses 
> three frequencies in the calibration process, but I can check the 
> manual.
>
> I'm literally on my way out the door for an overnight trip to 
> Monterrey, Mexico and will write more details when I return.
>
> Until then,
> Michael Yoder
>
> On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 05:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com 
> wrote:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:21:02 -0400
>> From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>> Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012141908.0194c610 at psulias.psu.edu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>>
>> Anyone used this deck?  Top of the line Sony from 1996.
>> I've never had much use for Sony products, but it looks like a well 
>> built
>> deck, and reviews for it are pretty good.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:41:04 +0200
>> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-KA3ES
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>> Message-ID: <s16d0676.086 at mroute.sunint.co.za>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I haven't used it or personally owned one, but I have heard a friends
>> unit perform quite extensively.  It is a excellent sounding machine 
>> with
>> a neutral and powerful sound.  The transport is stable (dual capstan,
>> quartz locked and direct drive from a tough brushless motor).  The
>> 3-head set up uses what Sony called a "laser-amorphous" design.  It 
>> also
>> features Dolby S which would be a home-grown Sony chip.  It uses a 
>> very
>> high frequency bias signal (around 160kHz) and has a sorbothane 
>> casette
>> holder.  This is the best of the last Sony single decks and from what 
>> I
>> can see, packed all of their cassette know-how into it.
>>
>> I think Michael Yoder has one, so he will possibly give a few views on
>> life with a KA3ES!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Marc
>

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Oct 15 15:15:34 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:15:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Broken 1000ZXL fetching over $600
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEMJCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <000801c4b17b$e220a320$0fe04c51@oemcomputer>
	<BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEMJCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041015091517.019626c8@psulias.psu.edu>

There have been tons of Nak parks on ebay lately.  Very expensive, but 
available.

At 11:32 PM 10/14/2004, Stan Targowski wrote:
>Looks like there is still demand for a broken 1000ZXL - this baby is
>fetching overy $611 with 5 hours to go ... Can one still buy parts to fix it
>up? And candidly, other then collector's heart, what is the application of
>this 25 year-old baby?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5724821078&ssPageName=ADM
>E:B:WN:US:1
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Oct 15 21:01:03 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:01:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Broken 1000ZXL fetching over $600
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEMJCEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003101c4b2e9$52b0a950$05773242@CopyTech>

Yeah, my best offer would be $25.00 ...

Carlos

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Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:32 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Broken 1000ZXL fetching over $600


> Looks like there is still demand for a broken 1000ZXL - this baby is
> fetching overy $611 with 5 hours to go ... Can one still buy parts to fix
it
> up? And candidly, other then collector's heart, what is the application of
> this 25 year-old baby?
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5724821078&ssPageName=ADM
> E:B:WN:US:1
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 15 17:36:04 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:36:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Storage Options
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Greetings,
I've found that wooden wine crates (12 bottle) look and work great.
The shallow ones will hold four rows of 17 cassettes plus a little room
at the top or bottom for double cassettes. The deeper ones will hold
twice that many (136 plus extra room) when stacked two deep. If you
want everything visible, cut down(depthwise) the deeper crates and use
the extra wood for the shelves.
The wine/liquor stores around here give these away, but at worst charge a
few dollars. It's also a great excuse to buy wine, as in "Honey, I need more
cassette racks, I guess we'll have to buy another case or two of wine
The deeper crates also make almost bulletproof shipping containers (the
inner box, with bubble wrap) for shipping electronics (eg. Naks), if you
don't have the original box.
Mike


BADANTH at aol.com wrote:

>I've just moved and would like to get something more appealing for my 
>cassette storage. Right now I'm using an old dresser but would like something smaller 
>that can hold alot of cassettes. Can anyone recommend a storage unit?
>
>Thanks, 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Oct 15 20:24:09 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:24:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The return of  N A K - talk
Message-ID: <417015C9.10304@xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

I ven been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to put the 
attention on the NAK percentage of  the messages posted.
Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is there for 
talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related topics.
Please also respect each other, if  someone writes something you don't 
like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people will be 
interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally agree" are 
not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and deleting) 
about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and having 
to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in online 
fights is not the way it should be.

I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting 
discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!

Wouter



From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct 16 01:18:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The return of  N A K - talk
References: <417015C9.10304@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001101c4b30d$3a0fd780$76773242@CopyTech>

Hey Wouter, welcome back ! About time you put some order here. Remember:
when the cat is absent, the mouse is at large ! HA !By the way, how many
decks are you keeping running in your collection now ? ON my case, from 20+
decks, I kept only 3: My Dragon, a B 710 MK ii (needs repair) and my son
took the 500. The rest are gone. Keeping running all those units was a real
pain in the ass and as soon as you stop using them a couple of weeks, they
start behaving strange and start breaking down too, just as Bleus is
experimenting now with his 680 (model ?)

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:24 AM
Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk


> Hi All,
>
> I ven been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to put the
> attention on the NAK percentage of  the messages posted.
> Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is there for
> talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
> Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related topics.
> Please also respect each other, if  someone writes something you don't
> like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people will be
> interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally agree" are
> not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
> People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
> Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and deleting)
> about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and having
> to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in online
> fights is not the way it should be.
>
> I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting
> discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!
>
> Wouter
>
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Fri Oct 15 22:39:01 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:39:01 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL
Message-ID: <004701c4b2f7$01e6b6a0$ed6723c8@g8nsv>

Hello guys!!!!

I've been reading alot about how poeple are paying a lot of money for a 1000ZXL broken or how delicate this model is. I think there is a point here we are all missing; at some point this deck was the top of the line!!!!

I know it is very delicate, I have 2 of them but they are working perfectly and if a guy is paying US$600 more or less for a good working DRAGON I believe the 1000ZXL is excellent condition is worth more. For sure the electronics are complicate but we go back to the fact that it is the top of the line no matter what. Maybe is hard to find parts or is difficult to work in and requieres a lot of time to fix but when in perfect working condition there is not a single deck that can record and reproduce a tape better. It has a lot of features that even today can amaze any of us....This deck was way ahead in time with lots of features...Imagine how it was back then in 1980-81

I totally agre with my friend El Magnifico that it is really stupid to spend US$1000 in a deck these days but a perfect working 1000ZXL is totally worth it.

If you are spending US$600 in a DRAGON or US$300 in a 680ZX I beleieve the 1000ZXL deserves a little respect too.

Isy
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct 16 02:29:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:29:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL
References: <004701c4b2f7$01e6b6a0$ed6723c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <001401c4b317$2592bd90$76773242@CopyTech>

You are right there, Isy. Problem is that if the deck is not in perfect working condition, as the one at ebay now, this deck is way too complex to just experiment with it. As you said: it is way too complex and not easy to fix it. The worst is that many technicians when ever you mention the model (1000 ZXL) don't even try to look at it and turn you down. Parts for this kind of beast are really scarce and the heavy weight adds to the shipping cost back and forth.

In my personal opinion, I would never again buy one of this. Other people in this list thinks the opposite, as Isy, but not me. This is that kind of deck for technical inclined people since it would be a "fix it yourself" project. Otherwise, it would cost a fortune to keep it running properly. Most of them playback good. The weakness is in the recording circuit: way too complex and prone to problems after 20 years old.

Truth is that when working perfect, even a Dragon couldn't sound better than this beast. I did a shootout once between both and in general the 1000 ZXL was a hair better. Amazing if you compare the technology age differences.

IN all, I wouldn't pay more thna $500.00 for any deck nowaday. No matter if it is a ZX-9, a B 215 or a 1000 ZXL. It is simply nuts and doesn't worth. At least for me. 

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Isy Fidelman 
  To: Naktalk mailinglist 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:39 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL


  Hello guys!!!!

  I've been reading alot about how poeple are paying a lot of money for a 1000ZXL broken or how delicate this model is. I think there is a point here we are all missing; at some point this deck was the top of the line!!!!

  I know it is very delicate, I have 2 of them but they are working perfectly and if a guy is paying US$600 more or less for a good working DRAGON I believe the 1000ZXL is excellent condition is worth more. For sure the electronics are complicate but we go back to the fact that it is the top of the line no matter what. Maybe is hard to find parts or is difficult to work in and requieres a lot of time to fix but when in perfect working condition there is not a single deck that can record and reproduce a tape better. It has a lot of features that even today can amaze any of us....This deck was way ahead in time with lots of features...Imagine how it was back then in 1980-81

  I totally agre with my friend El Magnifico that it is really stupid to spend US$1000 in a deck these days but a perfect working 1000ZXL is totally worth it.

  If you are spending US$600 in a DRAGON or US$300 in a 680ZX I beleieve the 1000ZXL deserves a little respect too.

  Isy


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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sat Oct 16 00:16:46 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:16:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL
In-Reply-To: <004701c4b2f7$01e6b6a0$ed6723c8@g8nsv>
References: <004701c4b2f7$01e6b6a0$ed6723c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041015180945.01ffcec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 16:39 10/15/2004, you wrote:
>Hello guys!!!!
>
>I've been reading alot about how poeple are paying a lot of money for a 
>1000ZXL broken or how delicate this model is. I think there is a point 
>here we are all missing; at some point this deck was the top of the line!!!!
>
>I know it is very delicate, I have 2 of them but they are working 
>perfectly and if a guy is paying US$600 more or less for a good working 
>DRAGON I believe the 1000ZXL is excellent condition is worth more. For 
>sure the electronics are complicate but we go back to the fact that it is 
>the top of the line no matter what. Maybe is hard to find parts or is 
>difficult to work in and requieres a lot of time to fix but when in 
>perfect working condition there is not a single deck that can record and 
>reproduce a tape better. It has a lot of features that even today can 
>amaze any of us....This deck was way ahead in time with lots of 
>features...Imagine how it was back then in 1980-81
>
>I totally agre with my friend El Magnifico that it is really stupid to 
>spend US$1000 in a deck these days but a perfect working 1000ZXL is 
>totally worth it.
>
>If you are spending US$600 in a DRAGON or US$300 in a 680ZX I beleieve the 
>1000ZXL deserves a little respect too.
>
>Isy


Well said, Isy.




From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Oct 16 01:30:30 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:30:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc
Message-ID: <001501c4b30e$fa5ab860$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Thank you, Wouter, 

I've been quiet too for a long time.  But now I'm finding more time for my Nakamichi fun activities.  

Just bought a Nak ZX-9 fixer, which will need some attention.  A long time since I owned one of these treasures, over twelve years time now.  I can describe that it is a beautiful looking deck, everything inside is in great shape.  One problem though, when pressing the play button with cassette in place, the mechanism clicks, then abruptly stops.... No forward motion can be made.  I've got the ZX-9 opened up, and this weekend I'm studying the service manual for an understanding of the internal mechanisms.  My observations are that the right direct drive capstan is working correctly, left capstan is non-moving (not sure yet whether that is normal, but I believe that should be a driven capstan).  So I'm curious what is off-kilter with this deck. Anyone else with a ZX-9, who has insights into what I'm describing, kindly email me directly for conversation (I suppose this kind of information will be useful to others too, so posting to NakTalk is probably okay).

Kannan, have you worked on ZX-9 decks much?

Magnifico, its great to have contact again with you on NakTalk.  Just like the old days, eh?  Hard to believe that we first met through NakTalk back in the 1990's.  Time marches on, and many new Nakkers have joined NakTalk. Many old topics revisited, and several new topics that are quite intriguing.  I'll catch up with you soon.  I guess I should find some time to update the Marathon Tapes MkII webpages, now that all participants have received copies of the discs through your distribution.  That was a successful endeavor, many will agree!

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA













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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The return of  N A K - talk
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <001101c4b30d$3a0fd780$76773242 at CopyTech>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hey Wouter, welcome back ! About time you put some order here. Remember:
when the cat is absent, the mouse is at large ! HA !  By the way, how many
decks are you keeping running in your collection now ? On my case, from 20+
decks, I kept only 3: My Dragon, a B 710 MK ii (needs repair) and my son
took the 500. The rest are gone. Keeping running all those units was a real
pain in the ass and as soon as you stop using them a couple of weeks, they
start behaving strange and start breaking down too, just as Bleus is
experimenting now with his 680ZX (model ?)

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:24 AM
Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk


> Hi All,
>
> I 've been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to put the
> attention on the NAK percentage of  the messages posted.
> Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is there for
> talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
> Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related topics.
> Please also respect each other, if  someone writes something you don't
> like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people will be
> interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally agree" are
> not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
> People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
> Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and deleting)
> about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and having
> to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in online
> fights is not the way it should be.
>
> I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting
> discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!
>
> Wouter
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct 16 08:50:50 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:50:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc
References: <001501c4b30e$fa5ab860$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <001a01c4b34c$7a662f20$65773242@CopyTech>

Thanks, Bleus. It's been a long time indeed. Your tape was excellent and I'm glad you liked your set. Sorry but I have never experiment with a ZX-9 myself. I think Gra' has one.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:30 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc


  Thank you, Wouter, 

  I've been quiet too for a long time.  But now I'm finding more time for my Nakamichi fun activities.  

  Just bought a Nak ZX-9 fixer, which will need some attention.  A long time since I owned one of these treasures, over twelve years time now.  I can describe that it is a beautiful looking deck, everything inside is in great shape.  One problem though, when pressing the play button with cassette in place, the mechanism clicks, then abruptly stops.... No forward motion can be made.  I've got the ZX-9 opened up, and this weekend I'm studying the service manual for an understanding of the internal mechanisms.  My observations are that the right direct drive capstan is working correctly, left capstan is non-moving (not sure yet whether that is normal, but I believe that should be a driven capstan).  So I'm curious what is off-kilter with this deck. Anyone else  with a ZX-9, who has insights into what I'm describing, kindly email me directly for conversation (I suppose this kind of information will be useful to others too, so posting to NakTalk is probably okay).

  Kannan, have you worked on ZX-9 decks much?

  Magnifico, its great to have contact again with you on NakTalk.  Just like the old days, eh?  Hard to believe that we first met through NakTalk back in the 1990's.  Time marches on, and many new Nakkers have joined NakTalk. Many old topics revisited, and several new topics that are quite intriguing.  I'll catch up with you soon.  I guess I should find some time to update the Marathon Tapes MkII webpages, now that all participants have received copies of the discs through your distribution.  That was a successful endeavor, many will agree!

  Regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA













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  Message: 9
  Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700
  From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The return of  N A K - talk
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Message-ID: <001101c4b30d$3a0fd780$76773242 at CopyTech>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  Hey Wouter, welcome back ! About time you put some order here. Remember:
  when the cat is absent, the mouse is at large ! HA !  By the way, how many
  decks are you keeping running in your collection now ? On my case, from 20+
  decks, I kept only 3: My Dragon, a B 710 MK ii (needs repair) and my son
  took the 500. The rest are gone. Keeping running all those units was a real
  pain in the ass and as soon as you stop using them a couple of weeks, they
  start behaving strange and start breaking down too, just as Bleus is
  experimenting now with his 680ZX (model ?)

  Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
  To: <naktalk at naks.com>
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:24 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk


  > Hi All,
  >
  > I 've been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to put the
  > attention on the NAK percentage of  the messages posted.
  > Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is there for
  > talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
  > Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related topics.
  > Please also respect each other, if  someone writes something you don't
  > like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people will be
  > interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally agree" are
  > not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
  > People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
  > Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and deleting)
  > about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and having
  > to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in online
  > fights is not the way it should be.
  >
  > I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting
  > discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!
  >
  > Wouter
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 16 12:46:57 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:46:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL
References: <004701c4b2f7$01e6b6a0$ed6723c8@g8nsv>
	<001401c4b317$2592bd90$76773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV11SoRKbpG10001c22d@hotmail.com>

I 500% agree with you Carlos, Once I have it...and really sound better that my today's Dragon, however...as already I wrote earlier...here in Israel WAS totally impossible to any existent technician here to repair this once a superb machine!!! It's for me TOTALLY NO WORTHY ANY PRICE!!!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Isy Fidelman ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL


  You are right there, Isy. Problem is that if the deck is not in perfect working condition, as the one at ebay now, this deck is way too complex to just experiment with it. As you said: it is way too complex and not easy to fix it. The worst is that many technicians when ever you mention the model (1000 ZXL) don't even try to look at it and turn you down. Parts for this kind of beast are really scarce and the heavy weight adds to the shipping cost back and forth.

  In my personal opinion, I would never again buy one of this. Other people in this list thinks the opposite, as Isy, but not me. This is that kind of deck for technical inclined people since it would be a "fix it yourself" project. Otherwise, it would cost a fortune to keep it running properly. Most of them playback good. The weakness is in the recording circuit: way too complex and prone to problems after 20 years old.

  Truth is that when working perfect, even a Dragon couldn't sound better than this beast. I did a shootout once between both and in general the 1000 ZXL was a hair better. Amazing if you compare the technology age differences.

  IN all, I wouldn't pay more thna $500.00 for any deck nowaday. No matter if it is a ZX-9, a B 215 or a 1000 ZXL. It is simply nuts and doesn't worth. At least for me. 

  Carlos

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Isy Fidelman 
    To: Naktalk mailinglist 
    Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:39 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL


    Hello guys!!!!

    I've been reading alot about how poeple are paying a lot of money for a 1000ZXL broken or how delicate this model is. I think there is a point here we are all missing; at some point this deck was the top of the line!!!!

    I know it is very delicate, I have 2 of them but they are working perfectly and if a guy is paying US$600 more or less for a good working DRAGON I believe the 1000ZXL is excellent condition is worth more. For sure the electronics are complicate but we go back to the fact that it is the top of the line no matter what. Maybe is hard to find parts or is difficult to work in and requieres a lot of time to fix but when in perfect working condition there is not a single deck that can record and reproduce a tape better. It has a lot of features that even today can amaze any of us....This deck was way ahead in time with lots of features...Imagine how it was back then in 1980-81

    I totally agre with my friend El Magnifico that it is really stupid to spend US$1000 in a deck these days but a perfect working 1000ZXL is totally worth it.

    If you are spending US$600 in a DRAGON or US$300 in a 680ZX I beleieve the 1000ZXL deserves a little respect too.

    Isy


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From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Sat Oct 16 15:11:52 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:11:52 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041015180945.01ffcec0@pop.iquebec.com>
References: <004701c4b2f7$01e6b6a0$ed6723c8@g8nsv>
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I agree with you entirely, Isy,

I would never swap my immaculate and regularly used 700 ZXL for a mere 
dragon...

Cheers,

Rob

At 08:16 AM 16/10/2004, you wrote:
>At 16:39 10/15/2004, you wrote:
>>Hello guys!!!!
>>
>>I've been reading alot about how poeple are paying a lot of money for a 
>>1000ZXL broken or how delicate this model is. I think there is a point 
>>here we are all missing; at some point this deck was the top of the line!!!!
>>
>>I know it is very delicate, I have 2 of them but they are working 
>>perfectly and if a guy is paying US$600 more or less for a good working 
>>DRAGON I believe the 1000ZXL is excellent condition is worth more. For 
>>sure the electronics are complicate but we go back to the fact that it is 
>>the top of the line no matter what. Maybe is hard to find parts or is 
>>difficult to work in and requieres a lot of time to fix but when in 
>>perfect working condition there is not a single deck that can record and 
>>reproduce a tape better. It has a lot of features that even today can 
>>amaze any of us....This deck was way ahead in time with lots of 
>>features...Imagine how it was back then in 1980-81
>>
>>I totally agre with my friend El Magnifico that it is really stupid to 
>>spend US$1000 in a deck these days but a perfect working 1000ZXL is 
>>totally worth it.
>>
>>If you are spending US$600 in a DRAGON or US$300 in a 680ZX I beleieve 
>>the 1000ZXL deserves a little respect too.
>>
>>Isy
>
>
>Well said, Isy.
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 16 17:06:46 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:06:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
Message-ID: <BAY2-F39RyqwdpOTziw00005bb5@hotmail.com>

Wouter:

Don't you think  adults can "police " themselves?

Adherence to a 100% all Nak subject matter with no tolerance for slightly 
off topic percentages seems totally restrictive and punitive IMHO........put 
another way.......mechanical and lacking flexibility.

Neil
>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The return of  N A K - talk
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700
>
>Hey Wouter, welcome back ! About time you put some order here. Remember:
>when the cat is absent, the mouse is at large ! HA !By the way, how many
>decks are you keeping running in your collection now ? ON my case, from 20+
>decks, I kept only 3: My Dragon, a B 710 MK ii (needs repair) and my son
>took the 500. The rest are gone. Keeping running all those units was a real
>pain in the ass and as soon as you stop using them a couple of weeks, they
>start behaving strange and start breaking down too, just as Bleus is
>experimenting now with his 680 (model ?)
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:24 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I ven been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to put the
> > attention on the NAK percentage of  the messages posted.
> > Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is there for
> > talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
> > Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related topics.
> > Please also respect each other, if  someone writes something you don't
> > like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people will be
> > interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally agree" are
> > not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
> > People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
> > Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and deleting)
> > about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and having
> > to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in online
> > fights is not the way it should be.
> >
> > I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting
> > discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!
> >
> > Wouter
> >
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Oct 16 20:05:36 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:05:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The return of  N A K - talk
In-Reply-To: <001101c4b30d$3a0fd780$76773242@CopyTech>
References: <417015C9.10304@xs4all.nl>
	<001101c4b30d$3a0fd780$76773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <417162F0.7010605@xs4all.nl>

Hi Carlos,
Well if I don't post any messages it doesn't mean i'm not there ;-)
Crazy to see sometimes how things can get out of control...

My main deck is (you're not gonna like this) my 1000ZXL! I had it 
serviced at Transtec just before they stopped servicing, so if it will 
give me problems i have to fall back to my 700ZXE, Dragon, one of the 
ZX'es or a 680ZX.... I'm trying to get a T-100 in the future and some 
test-tapes and tools to do some repair myself. I also own some Naks that 
need attention like my 500 I still have to finish fixing.
Now collection activities have expanded to less-space and service 
consuming items like original (service) manuals and brochures.
But i know the 'instant breaking down' feeling these Naks can give you, 
that is the BIGGEST downside of owning (and loving) them!

Wouter

El Magnifico wrote:

>Hey Wouter, welcome back ! About time you put some order here. Remember:
>when the cat is absent, the mouse is at large ! HA !By the way, how many
>decks are you keeping running in your collection now ? ON my case, from 20+
>decks, I kept only 3: My Dragon, a B 710 MK ii (needs repair) and my son
>took the 500. The rest are gone. Keeping running all those units was a real
>pain in the ass and as soon as you stop using them a couple of weeks, they
>start behaving strange and start breaking down too, just as Bleus is
>experimenting now with his 680 (model ?)
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:24 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I ven been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to put the
>>attention on the NAK percentage of  the messages posted.
>>Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is there for
>>talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
>>Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related topics.
>>Please also respect each other, if  someone writes something you don't
>>like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people will be
>>interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally agree" are
>>not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
>>People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
>>Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and deleting)
>>about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and having
>>to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in online
>>fights is not the way it should be.
>>
>>I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting
>>discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!
>>
>>Wouter
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>  
>


From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Oct 16 20:08:32 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:08:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F39RyqwdpOTziw00005bb5@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F39RyqwdpOTziw00005bb5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <417163A0.7080002@xs4all.nl>

Hi Neil,
Those that are around Naktalk longer will know i don't interfere that 
much, i even dislike the moderation on the list.
But sometimes newbees need to know the 'rules', and the rules are not 
mechanical but very flexible, it is all about balance and if the balance 
is gone...
Wouter

neil lipes wrote:

> Wouter:
>
> Don't you think  adults can "police " themselves?
>
> Adherence to a 100% all Nak subject matter with no tolerance for 
> slightly off topic percentages seems totally restrictive and punitive 
> IMHO........put another way.......mechanical and lacking flexibility.
>
> Neil
>
>> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The return of  N A K - talk
>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700
>>
>> Hey Wouter, welcome back ! About time you put some order here. Remember:
>> when the cat is absent, the mouse is at large ! HA !By the way, how many
>> decks are you keeping running in your collection now ? ON my case, 
>> from 20+
>> decks, I kept only 3: My Dragon, a B 710 MK ii (needs repair) and my son
>> took the 500. The rest are gone. Keeping running all those units was 
>> a real
>> pain in the ass and as soon as you stop using them a couple of weeks, 
>> they
>> start behaving strange and start breaking down too, just as Bleus is
>> experimenting now with his 680 (model ?)
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:24 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
>>
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I ven been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to put the
>> > attention on the NAK percentage of  the messages posted.
>> > Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is there for
>> > talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
>> > Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related topics.
>> > Please also respect each other, if  someone writes something you don't
>> > like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people will be
>> > interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally agree" 
>> are
>> > not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
>> > People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
>> > Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and deleting)
>> > about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and 
>> having
>> > to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in 
>> online
>> > fights is not the way it should be.
>> >
>> > I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting
>> > discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!
>> >
>> > Wouter
>> >
>
>
>



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 17 01:34:20 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:34:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
Message-ID: <BAY2-F4kVNqXSvUkBAB00008fef@hotmail.com>

I think we all can live  with that!

Neil

>From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:08:32 +0200
>
>Hi Neil,
>Those that are around Naktalk longer will know i don't interfere that much, 
>i even dislike the moderation on the list.
>But sometimes newbees need to know the 'rules', and the rules are not 
>mechanical but very flexible, it is all about balance and if the balance is 
>gone...
>Wouter
>
>neil lipes wrote:
>
>>Wouter:
>>
>>Don't you think  adults can "police " themselves?
>>
>>Adherence to a 100% all Nak subject matter with no tolerance for slightly 
>>off topic percentages seems totally restrictive and punitive 
>>IMHO........put another way.......mechanical and lacking flexibility.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The return of  N A K - talk
>>>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700
>>>
>>>Hey Wouter, welcome back ! About time you put some order here. Remember:
>>>when the cat is absent, the mouse is at large ! HA !By the way, how many
>>>decks are you keeping running in your collection now ? ON my case, from 
>>>20+
>>>decks, I kept only 3: My Dragon, a B 710 MK ii (needs repair) and my son
>>>took the 500. The rest are gone. Keeping running all those units was a 
>>>real
>>>pain in the ass and as soon as you stop using them a couple of weeks, 
>>>they
>>>start behaving strange and start breaking down too, just as Bleus is
>>>experimenting now with his 680 (model ?)
>>>
>>>Carlos
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>>>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:24 AM
>>>Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > I ven been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to put the
>>> > attention on the NAK percentage of  the messages posted.
>>> > Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is there for
>>> > talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
>>> > Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related topics.
>>> > Please also respect each other, if  someone writes something you don't
>>> > like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people will be
>>> > interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally agree" 
>>>are
>>> > not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
>>> > People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
>>> > Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and deleting)
>>> > about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and 
>>>having
>>> > to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in 
>>>online
>>> > fights is not the way it should be.
>>> >
>>> > I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting
>>> > discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!
>>> >
>>> > Wouter
>>> >
>>
>>
>>
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From mithao at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 17 02:54:31 2004
From: mithao at hotmail.com (Minh Pham)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:54:31 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon clicking sound !
Message-ID: <BAY14-F40DCvY3PUKIY00008e17@hotmail.com>

Hi;
I hear a clicking sound inside of the unit during playback on some tapes. Is 
it normal ?
Thanks!

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 17 08:05:17 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:05:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL
References: <004701c4b2f7$01e6b6a0$ed6723c8@g8nsv><6.1.2.0.2.20041015180945.01ffcec0@pop.iquebec.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041016230548.01c551d0@pop.iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV2zi95HfqR70000abde@hotmail.com>

Dear Rob,

Wait TILL...your 700 ZXL will "Let you Down"...so after that will we chat, 
if the Dragon...is NOT worthy?????

Till yet...Playback with a 700 ZXL...is better that a Dragon...that is 
true!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Stynes" <rastynes at iprimus.com.au.naks.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL


>I agree with you entirely, Isy,
>
> I would never swap my immaculate and regularly used 700 ZXL for a mere 
> dragon...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob
>
> At 08:16 AM 16/10/2004, you wrote:
>>At 16:39 10/15/2004, you wrote:
>>>Hello guys!!!!
>>>
>>>I've been reading alot about how poeple are paying a lot of money for a 
>>>1000ZXL broken or how delicate this model is. I think there is a point 
>>>here we are all missing; at some point this deck was the top of the 
>>>line!!!!
>>>
>>>I know it is very delicate, I have 2 of them but they are working 
>>>perfectly and if a guy is paying US$600 more or less for a good working 
>>>DRAGON I believe the 1000ZXL is excellent condition is worth more. For 
>>>sure the electronics are complicate but we go back to the fact that it is 
>>>the top of the line no matter what. Maybe is hard to find parts or is 
>>>difficult to work in and requieres a lot of time to fix but when in 
>>>perfect working condition there is not a single deck that can record and 
>>>reproduce a tape better. It has a lot of features that even today can 
>>>amaze any of us....This deck was way ahead in time with lots of 
>>>features...Imagine how it was back then in 1980-81
>>>
>>>I totally agre with my friend El Magnifico that it is really stupid to 
>>>spend US$1000 in a deck these days but a perfect working 1000ZXL is 
>>>totally worth it.
>>>
>>>If you are spending US$600 in a DRAGON or US$300 in a 680ZX I beleieve 
>>>the 1000ZXL deserves a little respect too.
>>>
>>>Isy
>>
>>
>>Well said, Isy.
>>
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From ti at amb.org  Sun Oct 17 12:13:58 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:13:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon clicking sound !
In-Reply-To: <BAY14-F40DCvY3PUKIY00008e17@hotmail.com> from "Minh Pham" at Oct
	17, 2004 12:54:31 AM
Message-ID: <20041017101358.739C918A57@smtp.amb.org>

Minh Pham writes:
> Hi;
> I hear a clicking sound inside of the unit during playback on some tapes. Is 
> it normal ?
> Thanks!

Was the tape recorded on another deck?  Maybe the azimuth is too far
mismatched such that the Dragon's auto azimuth correction motor is
reaching its end of travel.  That would cause a rather alarming clicking
sound.

-Ti
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au.naks.com  Mon Oct 18 02:26:08 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au.naks.com (David Thompson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:26:08 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 & 582 rec levels
Message-ID: <4E5A2296-209C-11D9-AE76-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au>

Many thanks to a couple of people who had suggestions on getting up the 
left bias/rec levels on a 581 by adjusting left feed roller.
That helped to get the 581 close to the zero setting on both channels. 
(I just got to doing it after a week down with a v nasty flu virus.)

However, the settings on my 582 are a little different. The bias levels 
are fine but the rec levels do not come up to zero on either channel. 
Left channel is 2.5 below and right channel is 3 below 0. Any further 
thoughts on this one please?

David



From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Oct 18 11:08:24 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:08:24 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] 581 & 582 rec levels
References: <4E5A2296-209C-11D9-AE76-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <006401c4b4f2$05c37f40$1410a8c0@TG>

You know David, I own 582Z (and you helped mine a lot to bring it back to 
life, thank you)

Check the recorded tape with another unit if the levels are actually same as 
your 582 then
your unit needs head alignment, otherwise, levels not like your 582, say 
both same, then
your 582 needs adjustment on the main board.

How about your direct test tones; i mean while the monitor switch set to 
source, how are the
levels of 400/15Khz test tones; do they give same levels, if not, needs 
adjustment on the
main board (6 probs laying side by side, vertically, plus 1 prob just 
opposite to those 6 ).
As far as I know you have the service manual..

Goodluck..
Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Thompson" <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au.naks.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 3:26 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 581 & 582 rec levels


> Many thanks to a couple of people who had suggestions on getting up the 
> left bias/rec levels on a 581 by adjusting left feed roller.
> That helped to get the 581 close to the zero setting on both channels. (I 
> just got to doing it after a week down with a v nasty flu virus.)
>
> However, the settings on my 582 are a little different. The bias levels 
> are fine but the rec levels do not come up to zero on either channel. Left 
> channel is 2.5 below and right channel is 3 below 0. Any further thoughts 
> on this one please?
>
> David
>
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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 18 12:56:52 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:56:52 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 581 & 582 rec levels
References: <4E5A2296-209C-11D9-AE76-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au>
	<006401c4b4f2$05c37f40$1410a8c0@TG>
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV15ZG5yoVTv00000b45@hotmail.com>

Hello David,
something you must be aware of: sometimes cables may cause such a 2dB
different. Lately (when I tried to align and calibrate my TriTracer1000),
found that one channel was weak because of the faulty cable or cable
connector (RCA).
Sometimes PCB-connectors can also let you down. (I had it also.) It is
strongly recommended to trace all the cables and connectors, and *slightly*
move them, if there occurs any change in the level.

Does anyone have bad experiences with PB/R head-cables? They seem to be so
vulnerable...

Hope I was not too much trivial...
Best regards,
István
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 & 582 rec levels


> You know David, I own 582Z (and you helped mine a lot to bring it back to
> life, thank you)
>
> Check the recorded tape with another unit if the levels are actually same
as
> your 582 then
> your unit needs head alignment, otherwise, levels not like your 582, say
> both same, then
> your 582 needs adjustment on the main board.
>
> How about your direct test tones; i mean while the monitor switch set to
> source, how are the
> levels of 400/15Khz test tones; do they give same levels, if not, needs
> adjustment on the
> main board (6 probs laying side by side, vertically, plus 1 prob just
> opposite to those 6 ).
> As far as I know you have the service manual..
>
> Goodluck..
> Tayfur
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Thompson" <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au.naks.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 3:26 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] 581 & 582 rec levels
>
>
> > Many thanks to a couple of people who had suggestions on getting up the
> > left bias/rec levels on a 581 by adjusting left feed roller.
> > That helped to get the 581 close to the zero setting on both channels.
(I
> > just got to doing it after a week down with a v nasty flu virus.)
> >
> > However, the settings on my 582 are a little different. The bias levels
> > are fine but the rec levels do not come up to zero on either channel.
Left
> > channel is 2.5 below and right channel is 3 below 0. Any further
thoughts
> > on this one please?
> >
> > David
> >
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 16:42:00 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:42:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc
In-Reply-To: <001a01c4b34c$7a662f20$65773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20041018144201.18757.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Blues
and others
I am currently very busy at my work at Pensylvania!!! - few weeks from now I may be able to get the Internet access from my apartment - I will be moving in to an apartment few days from now as I am going to be here for six months to an year period!
So I will be able to contribute my might in the service area where possible.
 
I have worked on Zx 9. If your DD motor is working - the only problem could be belt or lubrication of the driven motor.
check it out?
kannan


 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: KJ Bleus 
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:30 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc


Thank you, Wouter, 
 
I've been quiet too for a long time.  But now I'm finding more time for my Nakamichi fun activities.  
 
Just bought a Nak ZX-9 fixer, which will need some attention.  A long time since I owned one of these treasures, over twelve years time now.  I can describe that it is a beautiful looking deck, everything inside is in great shape.  One problem though, when pressing the play button with cassette in place, the mechanism clicks, then abruptly stops.... No forward motion can be made.  I've got the ZX-9 opened up, and this weekend I'm studying the service manual for an understanding of the internal mechanisms.  My observations are that the right direct drive capstan is working correctly, left capstan is non-moving (not sure yet whether that is normal, but I believe that should be a driven capstan).  So I'm curious what is off-kilter with this deck. Anyone else with a ZX-9, who has insights into what I'm describing, kindly email me directly for conversation (I suppose this kind of information will be useful to others too, so posting to NakTalk is probably okay).
 
Kannan, have you worked on ZX-9 decks much?
 
Magnifico, its great to have contact again with you on NakTalk.  Just like the old days, eh?  Hard to believe that we first met through NakTalk back in the 1990's.  Time marches on, and many new Nakkers have joined NakTalk. Many old topics revisited, and several new topics that are quite intriguing.  I'll catch up with you soon.  I guess I should find some time to update the Marathon Tapes MkII webpages, now that all participants have received copies of the discs through your distribution.  That was a successful endeavor, many will agree!
 
Regards,
 
Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
 
 

		
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Mon Oct 18 16:47:20 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:47:20 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] PROBLEMS WITH REVOX A 77 10.5 REEL TAPE DECK & B 710
	CASSETTE DECK
Message-ID: <1f6.114d2be.2ea53178@aol.com>

Hi Fellow Naks,   Hope you all are fine!   I need vu meters for my Revox A-77 
Mk 1  10.5 in reel to reel tape deck,  any one know where I can find one for 
a reasonable price, also a operating manual for this baby  IN  PDF Format will 
 be much appreciated!  

Also have a Revox B-710 Legendary Cassette Deck, the electronic digital 
counter will not count! the result being the logic control stop  play/ffw/rwd mode 
after a few seconds!!  any kind soul who can provide any help with  either of 
these great machines will be much appreciated.

 By the way my Nakamich Dragon is working great so dont have to  to bother 
you fine guys with a  Nakamichi .   Hope everyone is having a great time with 
their Nakamichi.  Also Iam Thinking of getting a CR-7Aa or a 1000ZXL used to 
have a 700ZXE kicking myself for selling that beauty!   dont know how much would 
be a fair reasonable price to pay for this  CR 7A  or 1000 ZXL baby again your 
kind advice in this regard will be much appreciated too!!  

Thanks!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct 18 17:15:58 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:15:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc
In-Reply-To: <20041018144201.18757.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041018144201.18757.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1098112558.4173de2e887e8@mail.ce.net>

Kannan,
Where in PA?

John T.

Quoting kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com>:

> Hi Blues
> and others
> I am currently very busy at my work at Pensylvania!!! - few weeks from now I
> may be able to get the Internet access from my apartment - I will be moving
> in to an apartment few days from now as I am going to be here for six months
> to an year period!
> So I will be able to contribute my might in the service area where
> possible.
>  
> I have worked on Zx 9. If your DD motor is working - the only problem could
> be belt or lubrication of the driven motor.
> check it out?
> kannan
> 
> 
>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: KJ Bleus 
> To: naktalk at naks.com 
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:30 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc
> 
> 
> Thank you, Wouter, 
>  
> I've been quiet too for a long time.  But now I'm finding more time for my
> Nakamichi fun activities.  
>  
> Just bought a Nak ZX-9 fixer, which will need some attention.  A long time
> since I owned one of these treasures, over twelve years time now.  I can
> describe that it is a beautiful looking deck, everything inside is in great
> shape.  One problem though, when pressing the play button with cassette in
> place, the mechanism clicks, then abruptly stops.... No forward motion can be
> made.  I've got the ZX-9 opened up, and this weekend I'm studying the service
> manual for an understanding of the internal mechanisms.  My observations are
> that the right direct drive capstan is working correctly, left capstan is
> non-moving (not sure yet whether that is normal, but I believe that should be
> a driven capstan).  So I'm curious what is off-kilter with this deck. Anyone
> else with a ZX-9, who has insights into what I'm describing, kindly email me
> directly for conversation (I suppose this kind of information will be useful
> to others too, so posting to NakTalk is probably okay).
>  
> Kannan, have you worked on ZX-9 decks much?
>  
> Magnifico, its great to have contact again with you on NakTalk.  Just like
> the old days, eh?  Hard to believe that we first met through NakTalk back in
> the 1990's.  Time marches on, and many new Nakkers have joined NakTalk. Many
> old topics revisited, and several new topics that are quite intriguing.  I'll
> catch up with you soon.  I guess I should find some time to update the
> Marathon Tapes MkII webpages, now that all participants have received copies
> of the discs through your distribution.  That was a successful endeavor, many
> will agree!
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Bleus de Nakker
> Madison, Wisc USA
>  
>  
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Mon Oct 18 17:38:36 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:38:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc
In-Reply-To: <20041018144201.18757.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <001a01c4b34c$7a662f20$65773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <4173AB3C.13689.77A46B@localhost>

Welcome to my neck of the country, Kannan, I'm in Northern VA, a little over an hour 
from the PA border.


From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 17:47:12 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc
In-Reply-To: <1098112558.4173de2e887e8@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <20041018154712.89230.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com>

ALLENTOWN - 
kannan
jmtooley at ce.net wrote:Kannan,
Where in PA?

John T.

Quoting kannan srinivasaraghavan :

> Hi Blues
> and others
> I am currently very busy at my work at Pensylvania!!! - few weeks from now I
> may be able to get the Internet access from my apartment - I will be moving
> in to an apartment few days from now as I am going to be here for six months
> to an year period!
> So I will be able to contribute my might in the service area where
> possible.
> 
> I have worked on Zx 9. If your DD motor is working - the only problem could
> be belt or lubrication of the driven motor.
> check it out?
> kannan
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: KJ Bleus 
> To: naktalk at naks.com 
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:30 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc
> 
> 
> Thank you, Wouter, 
> 
> I've been quiet too for a long time. But now I'm finding more time for my
> Nakamichi fun activities. 
> 
> Just bought a Nak ZX-9 fixer, which will need some attention. A long time
> since I owned one of these treasures, over twelve years time now. I can
> describe that it is a beautiful looking deck, everything inside is in great
> shape. One problem though, when pressing the play button with cassette in
> place, the mechanism clicks, then abruptly stops.... No forward motion can be
> made. I've got the ZX-9 opened up, and this weekend I'm studying the service
> manual for an understanding of the internal mechanisms. My observations are
> that the right direct drive capstan is working correctly, left capstan is
> non-moving (not sure yet whether that is normal, but I believe that should be
> a driven capstan). So I'm curious what is off-kilter with this deck. Anyone
> else with a ZX-9, who has insights into what I'm describing, kindly email me
> directly for conversation (I suppose this kind of information will be useful
> to others too, so posting to NakTalk is probably okay).
> 
> Kannan, have you worked on ZX-9 decks much?
> 
> Magnifico, its great to have contact again with you on NakTalk. Just like
> the old days, eh? Hard to believe that we first met through NakTalk back in
> the 1990's. Time marches on, and many new Nakkers have joined NakTalk. Many
> old topics revisited, and several new topics that are quite intriguing. I'll
> catch up with you soon. I guess I should find some time to update the
> Marathon Tapes MkII webpages, now that all participants have received copies
> of the discs through your distribution. That was a successful endeavor, many
> will agree!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bleus de Nakker
> Madison, Wisc USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct 18 18:47:30 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:47:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Kannan
In-Reply-To: <20041018154712.89230.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041018154712.89230.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1098118050.4173f3a257aa7@mail.ce.net>

Good old Allentown, you will have a cold winter ;-) I'm just below you in 
little old Delaware. Have you heard Billy Joels Allentown?

I would assume you are looking for cable internet access but if not you can get 
a free Netzero CD at any Radio Shack. That gives you 10hrs. a month free or 
$10.00 a month unlimited use, via telephone line of course.

Nakamichi, Nakamichi, Nakamichi

John T.

Quoting kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com>:

> ALLENTOWN - 
> kannan
> jmtooley at ce.net wrote:Kannan,
> Where in PA?
> 
> John T.
> 
> Quoting kannan srinivasaraghavan :
> 
> > Hi Blues
> > and others
> > I am currently very busy at my work at Pensylvania!!! - few weeks from now
> I
> > may be able to get the Internet access from my apartment - I will be
> moving
> > in to an apartment few days from now as I am going to be here for six
> months
> > to an year period!
> > So I will be able to contribute my might in the service area where
> > possible.
> > 
> > I have worked on Zx 9. If your DD motor is working - the only problem
> could
> > be belt or lubrication of the driven motor.
> > check it out?
> > kannan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: KJ Bleus 
> > To: naktalk at naks.com 
> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:30 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Return of NakTalk & ZX-9 Deck Probs, etc
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you, Wouter, 
> > 
> > I've been quiet too for a long time. But now I'm finding more time for my
> > Nakamichi fun activities. 
> > 
> > Just bought a Nak ZX-9 fixer, which will need some attention. A long time
> > since I owned one of these treasures, over twelve years time now. I can
> > describe that it is a beautiful looking deck, everything inside is in
> great
> > shape. One problem though, when pressing the play button with cassette in
> > place, the mechanism clicks, then abruptly stops.... No forward motion can
> be
> > made. I've got the ZX-9 opened up, and this weekend I'm studying the
> service
> > manual for an understanding of the internal mechanisms. My observations
> are
> > that the right direct drive capstan is working correctly, left capstan is
> > non-moving (not sure yet whether that is normal, but I believe that should
> be
> > a driven capstan). So I'm curious what is off-kilter with this deck.
> Anyone
> > else with a ZX-9, who has insights into what I'm describing, kindly email
> me
> > directly for conversation (I suppose this kind of information will be
> useful
> > to others too, so posting to NakTalk is probably okay).
> > 
> > Kannan, have you worked on ZX-9 decks much?
> > 
> > Magnifico, its great to have contact again with you on NakTalk. Just like
> > the old days, eh? Hard to believe that we first met through NakTalk back
> in
> > the 1990's. Time marches on, and many new Nakkers have joined NakTalk.
> Many
> > old topics revisited, and several new topics that are quite intriguing.
> I'll
> > catch up with you soon. I guess I should find some time to update the
> > Marathon Tapes MkII webpages, now that all participants have received
> copies
> > of the discs through your distribution. That was a successful endeavor,
> many
> > will agree!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Bleus de Nakker
> > Madison, Wisc USA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Mon Oct 18 19:12:40 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:12:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] PROBLEMS WITH REVOX A 77 10.5 REEL TAPE DECK & B 710
Message-ID: <20041018171239.OLRC5406.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Try these people

http://home.freeuk.net/revox/


> 
> From: BOEING747600 at aol.com
> Date: 2004/10/18 Mon AM 10:47:20 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] PROBLEMS WITH REVOX A 77 10.5 REEL TAPE DECK & B 710
> 	CASSETTE DECK
> 
> Hi Fellow Naks,   Hope you all are fine!   I need vu meters for my Revox A-77 
> Mk 1  10.5 in reel to reel tape deck,  any one know where I can find one for 
> a reasonable price, also a operating manual for this baby  IN  PDF Format will 
>  be much appreciated!  
> 
> Also have a Revox B-710 Legendary Cassette Deck, the electronic digital 
> counter will not count! the result being the logic control stop  play/ffw/rwd mode 
> after a few seconds!!  any kind soul who can provide any help with  either of 
> these great machines will be much appreciated.
> 
>  By the way my Nakamich Dragon is working great so dont have to  to bother 
> you fine guys with a  Nakamichi .   Hope everyone is having a great time with 
> their Nakamichi.  Also Iam Thinking of getting a CR-7Aa or a 1000ZXL used to 
> have a 700ZXE kicking myself for selling that beauty!   dont know how much would 
> be a fair reasonable price to pay for this  CR 7A  or 1000 ZXL baby again your 
> kind advice in this regard will be much appreciated too!!  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> With Best Regards!
> Ali
> 
> 

Roland
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From flifton at mac.com  Mon Oct 18 19:09:48 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:09:48 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 110 minute tapes
In-Reply-To: <200410181000.i9IA0Dvw010875@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200410181000.i9IA0Dvw010875@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <8474A702-2128-11D9-9B34-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
Without jumping into the fray, let me just say thanks, Wouter, for  
providing this forum. I'm sure it's a hassle, but like many others, I'm  
sure, I've learned so much and gotten to know some interesting people  
around the world.

On to my current topic: 100 and 110 minute tapes. I have a bunch of  
these in my collection, including several metal MA-Xs. I've never had  
any trouble with them, but many people say these longer tapes are  
"thinner" and so are more prone to breakage and mis-feeds through the  
transport, so I use them very seldom. Is this really a problem with  
these tapes or is this just one of those "urban myths"?

best,
Fred

> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> Date: October 16, 2004 4:34:20 PM PDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
> I think we all can live  with that!
>
> Neil
>
>> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:08:32 +0200
>>
>> Hi Neil,
>> Those that are around Naktalk longer will know i don't interfere that  
>> much, i even dislike the moderation on the list.
>> But sometimes newbees need to know the 'rules', and the rules are not  
>> mechanical but very flexible, it is all about balance and if the  
>> balance is gone...
>> Wouter
>>
>> neil lipes wrote:
>>
>>> Wouter:
>>>
>>> Don't you think  adults can "police " themselves?
>>>
>>> Adherence to a 100% all Nak subject matter with no tolerance for  
>>> slightly off topic percentages seems totally restrictive and  
>>> punitive IMHO........put another way.......mechanical and lacking  
>>> flexibility.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The return of  N A K - talk
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700
>>>>
>>>> Hey Wouter, welcome back ! About time you put some order here.  
>>>> Remember:
>>>> when the cat is absent, the mouse is at large ! HA !By the way, how  
>>>> many
>>>> decks are you keeping running in your collection now ? ON my case,  
>>>> from 20+
>>>> decks, I kept only 3: My Dragon, a B 710 MK ii (needs repair) and  
>>>> my son
>>>> took the 500. The rest are gone. Keeping running all those units  
>>>> was a real
>>>> pain in the ass and as soon as you stop using them a couple of  
>>>> weeks, they
>>>> start behaving strange and start breaking down too, just as Bleus is
>>>> experimenting now with his 680 (model ?)
>>>>
>>>> Carlos
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>>>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:24 AM
>>>> Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Hi All,
>>>> >
>>>> > I ven been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to  
>>>> put the
>>>> > attention on the NAK percentage of  the messages posted.
>>>> > Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is  
>>>> there for
>>>> > talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
>>>> > Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related  
>>>> topics.
>>>> > Please also respect each other, if  someone writes something you  
>>>> don't
>>>> > like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people  
>>>> will be
>>>> > interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally  
>>>> agree" are
>>>> > not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
>>>> > People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
>>>> > Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and  
>>>> deleting)
>>>> > about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and  
>>>> having
>>>> > to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in  
>>>> online
>>>> > fights is not the way it should be.
>>>> >
>>>> > I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting
>>>> > discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!
>>>> >
>>>> > Wouter
>>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From whgl at iland.net  Mon Oct 18 20:04:38 2004
From: whgl at iland.net (Durham)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:04:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !
Message-ID: <2D097767-2130-11D9-8B7E-003065C23AC8@iland.net>

Thanks for bringing it up, Minh Pham; I don't know if this will be any 
help, but my 550 does that too. I've asked a few different times at 
Naktalk to see if anybody knew what I could do about it, but so far 
I've heard only from one person, who said:

  "It's a reed relay cycled open and closed by a revolving magnet on the 
tape
counter. It's part of the auto stop circuit and totally normal. Once the
'clicking' stops, the transport reverts back to the 'stop' mode from
whatever mode it was in."

My problem is that the clicking or ticking is audible enough to be 
distracting, so I think that it must be abnormally loud. I've hoped 
that something could be done to lubricate (or even to disable the 
mechanism—I could do without auto-stop) at least quiet it down.

Also, my 550 does this tick tick ticking whether a tape is in there or 
not, just at a different speed.

I'm sure that you'll get more helpful input than mine, of course.

Best of continued success living with the mysterious dragon!
Don








From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct 18 23:05:31 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:05:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] PROBLEMS WITH REVOX A 77 10.5 REEL TAPE DECK & B
	710CASSETTE DECK
References: <1f6.114d2be.2ea53178@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c4b556$34602e70$35b10642@john1patlmckrl>

Are you sure your A77 is Mk. I as those are pretty rare. Does your unit have a swinging tape guide on the left side of the headblock? Where you located?

John T.
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:47 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] PROBLEMS WITH REVOX A 77 10.5 REEL TAPE DECK & B 710CASSETTE DECK


  Hi Fellow Naks,   Hope you all are fine!   I need vu meters for my Revox A-77 Mk 1  10.5 in reel to reel tape deck,  any one know where I can find one for a reasonable price, also a operating manual for this baby  IN  PDF Format will  be much appreciated!  

  Also have a Revox B-710 Legendary Cassette Deck, the electronic digital counter will not count! the result being the logic control stop  play/ffw/rwd mode after a few seconds!!  any kind soul who can provide any help with  either of these great machines will be much appreciated.

   By the way my Nakamich Dragon is working great so dont have to  to bother you fine guys with a  Nakamichi .   Hope everyone is having a great time with their Nakamichi.  Also Iam Thinking of getting a CR-7Aa or a 1000ZXL used to have a 700ZXE kicking myself for selling that beauty!   dont know how much would be a fair reasonable price to pay for this  CR 7A  or 1000 ZXL baby again your kind advice in this regard will be much appreciated too!!  

  Thanks!

  With Best Regards!
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Oct 18 23:48:14 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:48:14 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 & 582 rec levels
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6F0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Ok if you have this problem then try different tapes (normal, chrome and
metal) to see what happens. I know when I calibrate my 680ZX with a Maxell
XLS-II that the level does not reach the 0dB mark, it's close but not close
enough. The recording though are still perfect on that tape just the same.
Remember turn off Dolby when you are calibrating the unit and always start
with the 400 Hz test tone first and then go onto the 15 KHz test tone.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Thompson [mailto:wontulp at zoomnet.com.au.naks.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 October 2004 10:26
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] 581 & 582 rec levels


Many thanks to a couple of people who had suggestions on getting up the 
left bias/rec levels on a 581 by adjusting left feed roller.
That helped to get the 581 close to the zero setting on both channels. 
(I just got to doing it after a week down with a v nasty flu virus.)

However, the settings on my 582 are a little different. The bias levels 
are fine but the rec levels do not come up to zero on either channel. 
Left channel is 2.5 below and right channel is 3 below 0. Any further 
thoughts on this one please?

David

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 18 23:47:12 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:47:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 110 minute tapes
References: <200410181000.i9IA0Dvw010875@zebra.naks.com>
	<8474A702-2128-11D9-9B34-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV13pzhad2Vq000007b1@hotmail.com>

Hi Fred,

To my knowledge, maybe I'm wrong...? The 100 minutes is the same type that 90 minutes, BUT...it's the MAXIMUM quantity that the cassette can be loaded with NO problems...longer time MUST be "thinner". As today I only can obtain here in Israel Fuji DR-100 I'm using it...till today with no bad results...also after being recorded in my lovely Dragon's machine and playback only in my car's radio-tape affordable unit. Also there where "HOT"...is always present the cassettes Fuji DR-100 leaved all the times inside the car, works well...no problems till yet!

Maybe Fred..this will resolve your question?

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
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  From: Fred Lifton 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:09 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] 110 minute tapes


  Hi all,
  Without jumping into the fray, let me just say thanks, Wouter, for providing this forum. I'm sure it's a hassle, but like many others, I'm sure, I've learned so much and gotten to know some interesting people around the world.

  On to my current topic: 100 and 110 minute tapes. I have a bunch of these in my collection, including several metal MA-Xs. I've never had any trouble with them, but many people say these longer tapes are "thinner" and so are more prone to breakage and mis-feeds through the transport, so I use them very seldom. Is this really a problem with these tapes or is this just one of those "urban myths"?

  best,
  Fred


    From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
    Date: October 16, 2004 4:34:20 PM PDT
    To: naktalk at naks.com
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    I think we all can live with that!

    Neil


      From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
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      Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:08:32 +0200

      Hi Neil,
      Those that are around Naktalk longer will know i don't interfere that much, i even dislike the moderation on the list.
      But sometimes newbees need to know the 'rules', and the rules are not mechanical but very flexible, it is all about balance and if the balance is gone...
      Wouter

      neil lipes wrote:


        Wouter:

        Don't you think adults can "police " themselves?

        Adherence to a 100% all Nak subject matter with no tolerance for slightly off topic percentages seems totally restrictive and punitive IMHO........put another way.......mechanical and lacking flexibility.

        Neil


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          Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700

          Hey Wouter, welcome back ! About time you put some order here. Remember:
          when the cat is absent, the mouse is at large ! HA !By the way, how many
          decks are you keeping running in your collection now ? ON my case, from 20+
          decks, I kept only 3: My Dragon, a B 710 MK ii (needs repair) and my son
          took the 500. The rest are gone. Keeping running all those units was a real
          pain in the ass and as soon as you stop using them a couple of weeks, they
          start behaving strange and start breaking down too, just as Bleus is
          experimenting now with his 680 (model ?)

          Carlos

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          To: <naktalk at naks.com>
          Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:24 AM
          Subject: [naktalk] The return of N A K - talk


          > Hi All,
          >
          > I ven been silent about it, but I think this is a good time to put the
          > attention on the NAK percentage of the messages posted.
          > Please post non Naktalk related messages on audiotalk, it is there for
          > talk about amps, speakers, computer audio etc etc.
          > Naktalk is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks or related topics.
          > Please also respect each other, if someone writes something you don't
          > like post him off-naktalk, always ask yourself if 300+ people will be
          > interested in your post to the list. Replies like "I totally agree" are
          > not interesting..... And fighs on the list is what nobody wants.
          > People who keep behaving badly WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
          > Moderating this list should be an easy task, reading (and deleting)
          > about 15 posts from the same person (posted within 5 minutes) and having
          > to read each message several times wondering if it may end up in online
          > fights is not the way it should be.
          >
          > I hope peace will return to the list and also the interesting
          > discussions about ON-TOPIC subjects!
          >
          > Wouter
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From michi at zeroc.com  Tue Oct 19 00:26:59 2004
From: michi at zeroc.com (Michi Henning)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:26:59 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !
References: <2D097767-2130-11D9-8B7E-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
Message-ID: <006b01c4b561$964e8540$0101010a@coco>

>   "It's a reed relay cycled open and closed by a revolving magnet on the 
> tape
> counter. It's part of the auto stop circuit and totally normal. Once the
> 'clicking' stops, the transport reverts back to the 'stop' mode from
> whatever mode it was in."

In case of the Dragon, that's not what's causing this. The clicking happens
if the auto-azimuth control gets confused and can't find the appropriate
angle. It sometimes tries to adjust the head beyond the normal adjustment
range, which causes the clicking noise. Eventually, the clicking stops
when the machine gives up (and leaves the head at a completely wrong
angle). This can also happen with tapes that have long very quiet lead-in
passages. The solution is to find a loud spot on the tape, set it to play,
let NAAC do its thing, and then rewind and play from the beginning.

Cheers,

Michi.




From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Tue Oct 19 05:05:19 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:05:19 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] PROBLEMS WITH REVOX A 77 10.5 REEL TAPE DECK & B
	710CASSETTE DECK
Message-ID: <1c2.1f961e6d.2ea5de6f@aol.com>

Hi John,   I am in Virginia . I was reading a review at internet of stereo 
review and they had the same machine and  it was 1966 issue of the magazine.  
Please let me know if the vu meter can be purchased from some place preferably 
near me. Thanking you in advance!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 14:31:02 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 05:31:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !
In-Reply-To: <006b01c4b561$964e8540$0101010a@coco>
Message-ID: <20041019123102.16149.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah
it is the autoazimuth motor turning the gear to the extreme endof azimuth adjustment range. It can be due to very bad record head azimuth of the machine in which the tape was recorded. And secondly can be due to DD motor troublesor aurto azimuth tracking troubles soon!
hope it is only happening one or two tapes - if it is observed on reverse play directions only you are seeing the beginning of famous Dragon azimuth tracking headaches
kannan

Michi Henning <michi at zeroc.com> wrote:
> "It's a reed relay cycled open and closed by a revolving magnet on the 
> tape
> counter. It's part of the auto stop circuit and totally normal. Once the
> 'clicking' stops, the transport reverts back to the 'stop' mode from
> whatever mode it was in."

In case of the Dragon, that's not what's causing this. The clicking happens
if the auto-azimuth control gets confused and can't find the appropriate
angle. It sometimes tries to adjust the head beyond the normal adjustment
range, which causes the clicking noise. Eventually, the clicking stops
when the machine gives up (and leaves the head at a completely wrong
angle). This can also happen with tapes that have long very quiet lead-in
passages. The solution is to find a loud spot on the tape, set it to play,
let NAAC do its thing, and then rewind and play from the beginning.

Cheers,

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Tue Oct 19 15:48:40 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:48:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Clicking
Message-ID: <001701c4b5e2$578de590$6400a8c0@robertbwpur6ye>

First....good to hear from you Wouter....its been a while!  How did the Nak registration project come out? Were you able to develope any meaningfull information on production dates/serial numbers?

Regarding the clicking Dragon, I agree with Michi.....My Dragon was clicking in the reverse play mode with one particular tape I had.  It turned out that there was a very fine line of debris on one of the capstans in line with the edge of the tape.  It was so small that you could not see it without magnification.  After cleaning that off, the clicking went away completely.

Robert Kent

>   "It's a reed relay cycled open and closed by a revolving magnet on the 
> tape
> counter. It's part of the auto stop circuit and totally normal. Once the
> 'clicking' stops, the transport reverts back to the 'stop' mode from
> whatever mode it was in."

In case of the Dragon, that's not what's causing this. The clicking happens
if the auto-azimuth control gets confused and can't find the appropriate
angle. It sometimes tries to adjust the head beyond the normal adjustment
range, which causes the clicking noise. Eventually, the clicking stops
when the machine gives up (and leaves the head at a completely wrong
angle). This can also happen with tapes that have long very quiet lead-in
passages. The solution is to find a loud spot on the tape, set it to play,
let NAAC do its thing, and then rewind and play from the beginning.

Cheers,

Michi.

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From william.k.dvorak at office.xerox.com  Tue Oct 19 14:27:58 2004
From: william.k.dvorak at office.xerox.com (Dvorak, William K)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 05:27:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !
Message-ID: <7D68B2E040785E468E1B14A7972AC8DB0118E66C@USAWVMS07-BK.opbu.xerox.com>

Hey Jim,
Sounds like same problem you had. Is your Dragon home yet?
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Michi Henning
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 3:27 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !


>   "It's a reed relay cycled open and closed by a revolving magnet on the 
> tape
> counter. It's part of the auto stop circuit and totally normal. Once the
> 'clicking' stops, the transport reverts back to the 'stop' mode from
> whatever mode it was in."

In case of the Dragon, that's not what's causing this. The clicking happens
if the auto-azimuth control gets confused and can't find the appropriate
angle. It sometimes tries to adjust the head beyond the normal adjustment
range, which causes the clicking noise. Eventually, the clicking stops
when the machine gives up (and leaves the head at a completely wrong
angle). This can also happen with tapes that have long very quiet lead-in
passages. The solution is to find a loud spot on the tape, set it to play,
let NAAC do its thing, and then rewind and play from the beginning.

Cheers,

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 19 15:32:25 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:32:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !
References: <20041019123102.16149.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV42cv0aGltF000129da@hotmail.com>

Dear Kannan!

I really hope that my gifted Dragon; after been in the box for near 20 years...will NOT be with this "ILLNESS"...?!
Also, of course to the "Clicking" Dragon's owner...why he do not try to record a completely newer cassette by himself, making possible in this way a checking if something is really "BAD"...in his Dragon's, or merely such as you already wrote Kannan and I support your statement that those "Already Recorded" cassettes...was recorded in a extremely misalignment recorded head, and for such sole reason the "Auto-Azimuth" feature on our lovely Dragon's machine is unable to reach the 100% playback head alignment. As with my gifted Dragon's never happen such specific failure...till today "Thanks to God!!!"...al works as must be!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kannan srinivasaraghavan 
  To: Michi Henning ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !


  Yeah
  it is the autoazimuth motor turning the gear to the extreme endof azimuth adjustment range. It can be due to very bad record head azimuth of the machine in which the tape was recorded. And secondly can be due to DD motor troublesor aurto azimuth tracking troubles soon!
  hope it is only happening one or two tapes - if it is observed on reverse play directions only you are seeing the beginning of famous Dragon azimuth tracking headaches
  kannan

  Michi Henning <michi at zeroc.com> wrote:
    > "It's a reed relay cycled open and closed by a revolving magnet on the 
    > tape
    > counter. It's part of the auto stop circuit and totally normal. Once the
    > 'clicking' stops, the transport reverts back to the 'stop' mode from
    > whatever mode it was in."

    In case of the Dragon, that's not what's causing this. The clicking happens
    if the auto-azimuth control gets confused and can't find the appropriate
    angle. It sometimes tries to adjust the head beyond the normal adjustment
    range, which causes the clicking noise. Eventually, the clicking stops
    when the machine gives up (and leaves the head at a completely wrong
    angle). This can also happen with tapes that have long very quiet lead-in
    passages. The solution is to find a loud spot on the tape, set it to play,
    let NAAC do its thing, and then rewind and play from the beginning.

    Cheers,

    Michi.


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Oct 19 20:01:41 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:01:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] A77 VU Meters
Message-ID: <1098208901.41755685c2951@mail.ce.net>

Ali

Jack will have them at:
http://www.jmtecharts.com/ or JMTArevox at cs.com





From srudick at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 05:54:48 2004
From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:54:48 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !
Message-ID: <BAY16-F323LstPGtPrP000045e5@hotmail.com>



The solution, is to send it in for service to an authorized Nak service 
center, and have it done right. You will not be able to fix this one 
yourself - GUARANTEED!

Steve
Audiotech Mtl. Can.
Auth. Nak. Serv.

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Dear Kannan!

I really hope that my gifted Dragon; after been in the box for near 20 
years...will NOT be with this &quot;ILLNESS&quot;...?!
Also, of course to the &quot;Clicking&quot; Dragon's owner...why he do not 
try to record a completely newer cassette by himself, making possible in 
this way a checking if something is really &quot;BAD&quot;...in his 
Dragon's, or merely such as you already wrote Kannan and I support your 
statement that those &quot;Already Recorded&quot; cassettes...was recorded 
in a extremely misalignment recorded head, and for such sole reason the 
&quot;Auto-Azimuth&quot; feature on our lovely Dragon's machine is unable to 
reach the 100% playback head alignment. As with my gifted Dragon's never 
happen such specific failure...till today &quot;Thanks to God!!!&quot;...al 
works as must be!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
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   From: kannan srinivasaraghavan
   To: Michi Henning ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
   Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:31 PM
   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !


   Yeah
   it is the autoazimuth motor turning the gear to the extreme endof azimuth 
adjustment range. It can be due to very bad record head azimuth of the 
machine in which the tape was recorded. And secondly can be due to DD motor 
troublesor aurto azimuth tracking troubles soon!
   hope it is only happening one or two tapes - if it is observed on reverse 
play directions only you are seeing the beginning of famous Dragon azimuth 
tracking headaches
   kannan

   Michi Henning &lt;michi at zeroc.com&gt; wrote:
     &gt; &quot;It's a reed relay cycled open and closed by a revolving 
magnet on the
     &gt; tape
     &gt; counter. It's part of the auto stop circuit and totally normal. 
Once the
     &gt; 'clicking' stops, the transport reverts back to the 'stop' mode 
from
     &gt; whatever mode it was in.&quot;

     In case of the Dragon, that's not what's causing this. The clicking 
happens
     if the auto-azimuth control gets confused and can't find the 
appropriate
     angle. It sometimes tries to adjust the head beyond the normal 
adjustment
     range, which causes the clicking noise. Eventually, the clicking stops
     when the machine gives up (and leaves the head at a completely wrong
     angle). This can also happen with tapes that have long very quiet 
lead-in
     passages. The solution is to find a loud spot on the tape, set it to 
play,
     let NAAC do its thing, and then rewind and play from the beginning.

     Cheers,

     Michi.


     
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 13:41:01 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:41:01 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !
References: <BAY16-F323LstPGtPrP000045e5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5bh29cM3or00044e03@hotmail.com>

Steve,

Before that you want to make profits...let check with a completely new 
cassette IF really need to be repair...You do not think so???

Be well,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !


>
>
> The solution, is to send it in for service to an authorized Nak service 
> center, and have it done right. You will not be able to fix this one 
> yourself - GUARANTEED!
>
> Steve
> Audiotech Mtl. Can.
> Auth. Nak. Serv.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
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> Dear Kannan!
>
> I really hope that my gifted Dragon; after been in the box for near 20 
> years...will NOT be with this &quot;ILLNESS&quot;...?!
> Also, of course to the &quot;Clicking&quot; Dragon's owner...why he do not 
> try to record a completely newer cassette by himself, making possible in 
> this way a checking if something is really &quot;BAD&quot;...in his 
> Dragon's, or merely such as you already wrote Kannan and I support your 
> statement that those &quot;Already Recorded&quot; cassettes...was recorded 
> in a extremely misalignment recorded head, and for such sole reason the 
> &quot;Auto-Azimuth&quot; feature on our lovely Dragon's machine is unable 
> to reach the 100% playback head alignment. As with my gifted Dragon's 
> never happen such specific failure...till today &quot;Thanks to 
> God!!!&quot;...al works as must be!
>
> Happy listening,
>
> ALEX!
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: kannan srinivasaraghavan
>   To: Michi Henning ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:31 PM
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon clicking sound !
>
>
>   Yeah
>   it is the autoazimuth motor turning the gear to the extreme endof 
> azimuth adjustment range. It can be due to very bad record head azimuth of 
> the machine in which the tape was recorded. And secondly can be due to DD 
> motor troublesor aurto azimuth tracking troubles soon!
>   hope it is only happening one or two tapes - if it is observed on 
> reverse play directions only you are seeing the beginning of famous Dragon 
> azimuth tracking headaches
>   kannan
>
>   Michi Henning &lt;michi at zeroc.com&gt; wrote:
>     &gt; &quot;It's a reed relay cycled open and closed by a revolving 
> magnet on the
>     &gt; tape
>     &gt; counter. It's part of the auto stop circuit and totally normal. 
> Once the
>     &gt; 'clicking' stops, the transport reverts back to the 'stop' mode 
> from
>     &gt; whatever mode it was in.&quot;
>
>     In case of the Dragon, that's not what's causing this. The clicking 
> happens
>     if the auto-azimuth control gets confused and can't find the 
> appropriate
>     angle. It sometimes tries to adjust the head beyond the normal 
> adjustment
>     range, which causes the clicking noise. Eventually, the clicking stops
>     when the machine gives up (and leaves the head at a completely wrong
>     angle). This can also happen with tapes that have long very quiet 
> lead-in
>     passages. The solution is to find a loud spot on the tape, set it to 
> play,
>     let NAAC do its thing, and then rewind and play from the beginning.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Michi.
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From britri at comcast.net  Wed Oct 20 20:14:32 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:14:32 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay
References: <1098208901.41755685c2951@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <4176AB08.3040209@comcast.net>

I may have missed this thread, however, are any of 
you folks tired of getting these auctions in your 
automatic Ebay search:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5726899030&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

I also get it from McIntosh search, Tandberg 
search, etc.

I contacted the folks @ McIntosh and they intend 
to pursue this guy.

Has anybody else on nak/audiotalk been annoyed by 
this guy?

Brian Stocker




From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct 21 01:04:02 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:04:02 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay
References: <1098208901.41755685c2951@mail.ce.net>
	<4176AB08.3040209@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001401c4b6f9$1b970310$26773242@CopyTech>

Brian: This guy has been doing this for very long now and according to his
ebay history (Over 11,000 deals) and feedback, he's been doing good.
Unfortunately, he's using copyright material to make profits and that's
against the law, but, on the other hand, he's one of the very few sources to
find a manual that you may need in the future. Perhaps that's why nobody has
taken the burden of accusing him.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Stocker" <britri at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay


> I may have missed this thread, however, are any of
> you folks tired of getting these auctions in your
> automatic Ebay search:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5726899030&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
>
> I also get it from McIntosh search, Tandberg
> search, etc.
>
> I contacted the folks @ McIntosh and they intend
> to pursue this guy.
>
> Has anybody else on nak/audiotalk been annoyed by
> this guy?
>
> Brian Stocker
>
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From Colem at georgetown.edu  Wed Oct 20 22:38:32 2004
From: Colem at georgetown.edu (Michael Cole)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:38:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Techman777: Leave well enough alone!
Message-ID: <4176CCC8.7060206@georgetown.edu>

I rarely contribute to Naktalk although I follow the postings closely.  
I simply can't understand Mr. Stocker's attitude.  I've purchased 
several manuals from Techman777 and he's always given me excellent 
service.  Frankly. I believe that Mr. Stocker has cut off his nose to 
spite his face by informing manufacturers that Techman777 is selling 
manuals for their equipment.
Where does Mr. Stocker think he's going to find manuals for old 
equipment once the manufacturer ceases to carry these items?  I have a 
lot of Carver equipment and let me tell you, Carver aren't helpful when 
I want  an owner's manual or a service manual.
Let Mr. Stocker  try and get manuals out of Nakamichi for some of our 
older equipment  -  good luck!!
It seems to me that we're fortunate to have a source of manuals.  The 
last thing we want to do is cut it off.

Michael Cole



From lists at richardhess.com  Thu Oct 21 00:07:10 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:07:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Techman777: Leave well enough alone!
In-Reply-To: <4176CCC8.7060206@georgetown.edu>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041020180602.0411a008@127.0.0.1>

He is a valuable resource. The quality of the one or two manuals I've 
gotten from him is quite good and the prices are fair.

I'd suggest leaving well enough alone and not informing the manufacturers. 
Most of the stuff they wish would go away, I suspect.

Cheers,

Richard

At 04:38 PM 2004/10/20 -0400, you wrote:
>I rarely contribute to Naktalk although I follow the postings closely.
>I simply can't understand Mr. Stocker's attitude.  I've purchased several 
>manuals from Techman777 and he's always given me excellent 
>service.  Frankly. I believe that Mr. Stocker has cut off his nose to 
>spite his face by informing manufacturers that Techman777 is selling 
>manuals for their equipment.
>Where does Mr. Stocker think he's going to find manuals for old equipment 
>once the manufacturer ceases to carry these items?  I have a lot of Carver 
>equipment and let me tell you, Carver aren't helpful when I want  an 
>owner's manual or a service manual.
>Let Mr. Stocker  try and get manuals out of Nakamichi for some of our 
>older equipment  -  good luck!!
>It seems to me that we're fortunate to have a source of manuals.  The last 
>thing we want to do is cut it off.
>
>Michael Cole
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct 21 08:31:24 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:31:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Techman777: Leave well enough alone!
References: <4176CCC8.7060206@georgetown.edu>
Message-ID: <000601c4b737$96b38c10$64773242@CopyTech>

Come on Mike, don't be too hard on Brian ...

Well, the real thing is that I talked to Mike and he told me that several
manufacturers has authorized him since they are not interested in printing
manuals themselves. He even talked to McIntosh and they showed no interest.

So, I believe that the manufacturers are going to do shit about copyright
infringement because in some ocassions even the authorized servicenter turn
to Techman looking for service manuals. He's making a fortune with
photocopies but who cares, if afterall he's the only source to get a manual
copy when you buy an old unit ...

Carlos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Cole" <Colem at georgetown.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Techman777: Leave well enough alone!


> I rarely contribute to Naktalk although I follow the postings closely.
> I simply can't understand Mr. Stocker's attitude.  I've purchased
> several manuals from Techman777 and he's always given me excellent
> service.  Frankly. I believe that Mr. Stocker has cut off his nose to
> spite his face by informing manufacturers that Techman777 is selling
> manuals for their equipment.
> Where does Mr. Stocker think he's going to find manuals for old
> equipment once the manufacturer ceases to carry these items?  I have a
> lot of Carver equipment and let me tell you, Carver aren't helpful when
> I want  an owner's manual or a service manual.
> Let Mr. Stocker  try and get manuals out of Nakamichi for some of our
> older equipment  -  good luck!!
> It seems to me that we're fortunate to have a source of manuals.  The
> last thing we want to do is cut it off.
>
> Michael Cole
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Thu Oct 21 06:44:30 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:44:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
Message-ID: <002901c4b728$ad5462a0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Greetings NakTalk friends,

Just recently purchased a beautiful condition Nak ZX-9 deck.  A minor
fixer, needs a direct drive capstan flywheel belt replacement.  That
project is in the works now.  Meanwhile, I'm looking over the deck,
and wondering if any other NakTalkers might have experience
replacing the ZX-9 flywheel belt.  Its gonna be a tricky manuever,
from my initial observations.  Have to partially disassemble the DD
motor to access the flywheels and insert the belt. Anyone have hand-
on experience with doing this kind of flywheel belt replacement?  Any
special adjustments to be aware of as I proceed with the fix??

Also, I noticed that on another ZX-9 auction, there is listed control knob
covers for the six independent calibration and bias control knobs.
I've never seen these little covers before, quite a novelty item, eh?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5725464755
&rd=1

Comments welcome, or contact me directly via my email address.

Merci

K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus@ charter.net







From ti at amb.org  Thu Oct 21 07:25:44 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:25:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
In-Reply-To: <002901c4b728$ad5462a0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> from "KJ Bleus"
	at Oct 20, 2004 11:44:30 PM
Message-ID: <20041021052544.E31F71704A@smtp.amb.org>

KJ Bleus writes:
> Also, I noticed that on another ZX-9 auction, there is listed control knob
> covers for the six independent calibration and bias control knobs.
> I've never seen these little covers before, quite a novelty item, eh?
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5725464755
> &rd=1

The deck came with those covers.  Second hand gear is often missing
them because the previous owners lost them.

-Ti


From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Thu Oct 21 05:42:47 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:42:47 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Techman777: Leave well enough alone!
References: <4176CCC8.7060206@georgetown.edu>
	<000601c4b737$96b38c10$64773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <003501c4b720$0a32e2c0$770f98de@tec>

Hello all

I am glad that this has reached a sensible point. After all, isn't copying 
records, tapes and CD's onto lovely perfectly aligned Nakamichis actually 
copyright infringement?!?

I just did my own PDF of my Nak 600 service manual, which was a photocopy of 
the NZ distributor's original one anyway. The distributor, who no longer 
exists, loaned it to me many years ago for this purpose.

Donald

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Techman777: Leave well enough alone!


> Come on Mike, don't be too hard on Brian ...
>
> Well, the real thing is that I talked to Mike and he told me that several
> manufacturers has authorized him since they are not interested in printing
> manuals themselves. He even talked to McIntosh and they showed no 
> interest.
>
> So, I believe that the manufacturers are going to do shit about copyright
> infringement because in some ocassions even the authorized servicenter 
> turn
> to Techman looking for service manuals. He's making a fortune with
> photocopies but who cares, if afterall he's the only source to get a 
> manual
> copy when you buy an old unit ...
>
> Carlos
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Cole" <Colem at georgetown.edu>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:38 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Techman777: Leave well enough alone!
>
>
>> I rarely contribute to Naktalk although I follow the postings closely.
>> I simply can't understand Mr. Stocker's attitude.  I've purchased
>> several manuals from Techman777 and he's always given me excellent
>> service.  Frankly. I believe that Mr. Stocker has cut off his nose to
>> spite his face by informing manufacturers that Techman777 is selling
>> manuals for their equipment.
>> Where does Mr. Stocker think he's going to find manuals for old
>> equipment once the manufacturer ceases to carry these items?  I have a
>> lot of Carver equipment and let me tell you, Carver aren't helpful when
>> I want  an owner's manual or a service manual.
>> Let Mr. Stocker  try and get manuals out of Nakamichi for some of our
>> older equipment  -  good luck!!
>> It seems to me that we're fortunate to have a source of manuals.  The
>> last thing we want to do is cut it off.
>>
>> Michael Cole
>>
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Oct 21 06:05:34 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:05:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay
In-Reply-To: <4176AB08.3040209@comcast.net>
References: <1098208901.41755685c2951@mail.ce.net>
	<4176AB08.3040209@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4177358E.8090400@snet.net>

It may be annoying, but it looks like he's offering a better quality 
reproduction for considerably less than I've paid for a photocopy from 
some sources. If you need this manual then it's a blessing.

Speaking of which, does anyone out there have a 480 service manual (or 
even component values pages) as a PDF? I've been trying to get my old 
standby back up on its feet and would greatly appreciate it... how I 
wish the old server ftp was still up.

Ed

Brian Stocker wrote:

> I may have missed this thread, however, are any of you folks tired of 
> getting these auctions in your automatic Ebay search:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5726899030&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 
>
>
> I also get it from McIntosh search, Tandberg search, etc.
>
> I contacted the folks @ McIntosh and they intend to pursue this guy.
>
> Has anybody else on nak/audiotalk been annoyed by this guy?
>
> Brian Stocker
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 05:49:05 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:49:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay
References: <1098208901.41755685c2951@mail.ce.net><4176AB08.3040209@comcast.net>
	<001401c4b6f9$1b970310$26773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV126h1xR63a00007b92@hotmail.com>

Hi Folks,

Very sorry but with me when I ordered a Dragon's service manual, I sent him 
$:20.00 in cash and NEVER received from him NOTHING...at least a apology! So 
I NEVER will do deal with him..thanks to another superb member that I want 
to keep anonymous...he copied from his Service manual and sent me at his 
expenses...an a superb/heart fully noble action!
Now I have complete the Dragon's manuals..., so I can sleep well!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay


> Brian: This guy has been doing this for very long now and according to his
> ebay history (Over 11,000 deals) and feedback, he's been doing good.
> Unfortunately, he's using copyright material to make profits and that's
> against the law, but, on the other hand, he's one of the very few sources 
> to
> find a manual that you may need in the future. Perhaps that's why nobody 
> has
> taken the burden of accusing him.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Stocker" <britri at comcast.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:14 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay
>
>
>> I may have missed this thread, however, are any of
>> you folks tired of getting these auctions in your
>> automatic Ebay search:
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5726899030&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
>>
>> I also get it from McIntosh search, Tandberg
>> search, etc.
>>
>> I contacted the folks @ McIntosh and they intend
>> to pursue this guy.
>>
>> Has anybody else on nak/audiotalk been annoyed by
>> this guy?
>>
>> Brian Stocker
>>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Oct 21 09:43:14 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:43:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Techman777: Leave well enough alone!
In-Reply-To: <000601c4b737$96b38c10$64773242@CopyTech>
References: <4176CCC8.7060206@georgetown.edu>
	<000601c4b737$96b38c10$64773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <23262.212.78.179.234.1098344594.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

If anyone's intersted what manuals techman777 is buying these days on ebay
check this buyer out: mamamendo, it's his buying alterego.

Wouter


> Come on Mike, don't be too hard on Brian ...
>
> Well, the real thing is that I talked to Mike and he told me that several
> manufacturers has authorized him since they are not interested in printing
> manuals themselves. He even talked to McIntosh and they showed no
> interest.
>
> So, I believe that the manufacturers are going to do shit about copyright
> infringement because in some ocassions even the authorized servicenter
> turn
> to Techman looking for service manuals. He's making a fortune with
> photocopies but who cares, if afterall he's the only source to get a
> manual
> copy when you buy an old unit ...
>
> Carlos
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Cole" <Colem at georgetown.edu>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:38 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Techman777: Leave well enough alone!
>
>
>> I rarely contribute to Naktalk although I follow the postings closely.
>> I simply can't understand Mr. Stocker's attitude.  I've purchased
>> several manuals from Techman777 and he's always given me excellent
>> service.  Frankly. I believe that Mr. Stocker has cut off his nose to
>> spite his face by informing manufacturers that Techman777 is selling
>> manuals for their equipment.
>> Where does Mr. Stocker think he's going to find manuals for old
>> equipment once the manufacturer ceases to carry these items?  I have a
>> lot of Carver equipment and let me tell you, Carver aren't helpful when
>> I want  an owner's manual or a service manual.
>> Let Mr. Stocker  try and get manuals out of Nakamichi for some of our
>> older equipment  -  good luck!!
>> It seems to me that we're fortunate to have a source of manuals.  The
>> last thing we want to do is cut it off.
>>
>> Michael Cole
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Oct 21 12:52:53 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:52:53 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6FC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Ed. I have a pdf copy of the manual on file, it's 7 files roughly 500 - 1
meg each. I host these on a file hosting site tomorrow for you. You will
receive an e-mail from yousendit.com tomorrow.

	Regards,

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net]
Sent: Thursday, 21 October 2004 2:06
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay

Speaking of which, does anyone out there have a 480 service manual (or 
even component values pages) as a PDF? I've been trying to get my old 
standby back up on its feet and would greatly appreciate it... how I 
wish the old server ftp was still up.

Ed


From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Thu Oct 21 14:22:47 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:22:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
References: <20041021052544.E31F71704A@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <009601c4b768$b08192a0$da6723c8@g8nsv>

The DRAGON also comes with those covers Mr. Bleus. I have them in mine.

Isy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)


> KJ Bleus writes:
>> Also, I noticed that on another ZX-9 auction, there is listed control 
>> knob
>> covers for the six independent calibration and bias control knobs.
>> I've never seen these little covers before, quite a novelty item, eh?
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5725464755
>> &rd=1
>
> The deck came with those covers.  Second hand gear is often missing
> them because the previous owners lost them.
>
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From ti at amb.org  Thu Oct 21 14:31:58 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:31:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
In-Reply-To: <009601c4b768$b08192a0$da6723c8@g8nsv> from "Isy Fidelman" at Oct
	21, 2004 08:22:47 AM
Message-ID: <20041021123158.53355169A7@smtp.amb.org>

Isy Fidelman writes:
> [ cover over the tape calibration adjustment knobs on the ZX-9 ]
>
> The DRAGON also comes with those covers Mr. Bleus. I have them in mine.

THAT I didn't know.  None of the Nak literature I've seen has shown such
covers on a Dragon, although they are clearly depicted on the ZX-7
and ZX-9 brochures.

Do you have any pictures of your Dragon (or any Dragon) with those
covers?  I'd like to see...

-Ti
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From whgl at iland.net  Thu Oct 21 13:47:26 2004
From: whgl at iland.net (Durham)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:47:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
In-Reply-To: <200410210722.i9L7Muvw021453@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200410210722.i9L7Muvw021453@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <FAF14B89-2356-11D9-8003-003065C23AC8@iland.net>


Hi again, Steve, and thank you for responding to my original question 
about my clicking 550. You probably read my further comments that it 
seems abnormally loud and perhaps does need attention. Regarding your 
recent comment re the clicking Dragon:

> The solution, is to send it in for service to an authorized Nak service
> center, and have it done right. You will not be able to fix this one
> yourself - GUARANTEED!

I'd like to ask everyone:  What are our options these days for 
professional Nak servicing? I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co. 
(Stephen Sank) and got no response; probably I'll try again. Others?

Best,
Don



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 14:29:35 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:29:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
References: <20041021052544.E31F71704A@smtp.amb.org>
	<009601c4b768$b08192a0$da6723c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12fExvWvqz0000867a@hotmail.com>

Hi Isy,

My Dragon don't have any covers?

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)


> The DRAGON also comes with those covers Mr. Bleus. I have them in mine.
>
> Isy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
>
>
>> KJ Bleus writes:
>>> Also, I noticed that on another ZX-9 auction, there is listed control 
>>> knob
>>> covers for the six independent calibration and bias control knobs.
>>> I've never seen these little covers before, quite a novelty item, eh?
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5725464755
>>> &rd=1
>>
>> The deck came with those covers.  Second hand gear is often missing
>> them because the previous owners lost them.
>>
>> -Ti
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Thu Oct 21 17:58:25 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:58:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] covers on ZX 7, 9, Dragon
In-Reply-To: <20041021123158.53355169A7@smtp.amb.org>
References: <009601c4b768$b08192a0$da6723c8@g8nsv> from "Isy Fidelman" at
	Oct	21, 2004 08:22:47 AM
Message-ID: <4177A461.31604.52B72FA@localhost>

I seem to remember that all three of those models - the ZX-7, ZX-9, and the Dragon 
had the plastic covers over the bias/level knob sets when new.  They are missing 
from my ZX-7 as well.  Many people simply left them off for convenience and then 
lost them.


From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 15:42:06 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:42:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
References: <20041021123158.53355169A7@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV4MWuLn5U9T00018e15@hotmail.com>

Bravo Ti!!!!

It's me Alex from Israel, I also have a lot of Nak originally catalogs, The 
Instructions/ Service manuals also don't mention or show and none of them 
have "SUCH"...covers, maybe the last year produced model they 
added...however NOT during the 3/4 of the production. However who 
cares....?, it's really NOT NEEDED at ALL! The knobs always get dust on 
it!!! With or without covers!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)


> Isy Fidelman writes:
>> [ cover over the tape calibration adjustment knobs on the ZX-9 ]
>>
>> The DRAGON also comes with those covers Mr. Bleus. I have them in mine.
>
> THAT I didn't know.  None of the Nak literature I've seen has shown such
> covers on a Dragon, although they are clearly depicted on the ZX-7
> and ZX-9 brochures.
>
> Do you have any pictures of your Dragon (or any Dragon) with those
> covers?  I'd like to see...
>
> -Ti
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From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 21 17:47:32 2004
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:47:32 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
In-Reply-To: <FAF14B89-2356-11D9-8003-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
Message-ID: <20041021154732.17856.qmail@web86503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I haven't seen the rest of this treadand this might have been covered,  but I seem to remember that the 550 had a reed switch that was opened and closed by a rotating magnet, this was located near the counter mech and was part othe auto shut off mechanism. The opening and closing of the reed switch could be on the loud side (relatively speaking). I don't think a new switch will be any better!
You could try an new counter belt as it could be loose and may not be able to produce enough torque to cleanly rotate the magnet causing the reed switch action to be sloppy
and more noisy than usual......... Just a thought.
 
Terry   

Durham <whgl at iland.net> wrote:

Hi again, Steve, and thank you for responding to my original question 
about my clicking 550. You probably read my further comments that it 
seems abnormally loud and perhaps does need attention. Regarding your 
recent comment re the clicking Dragon:

> The solution, is to send it in for service to an authorized Nak service
> center, and have it done right. You will not be able to fix this one
> yourself - GUARANTEED!

I'd like to ask everyone: What are our options these days for 
professional Nak servicing? I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co. 
(Stephen Sank) and got no response; probably I'll try again. Others?

Best,
Don

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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 21 19:01:11 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:01:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A woes
Message-ID: <000e01c4b78f$9192cd60$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Wow--after my defense of Techman777, my CR-7 packs up!!! :-(  His beautifully printed service manual doesn't have any troubleshooting sections, so I'm asking my erudite fellow listers for help.

In the middle of playing a tape, it stopped and the pause, FF, RWD, play and fader up lamps froze on together.  I can't initiate play at all.  FF and REW work OK (after about a
2 second delay when I push either button--when fast wind happens, just the single button lamp lights--after I press stop, the 5 lamps light up again). 

When the cassette door is open, just the stop lamp (and fader up lamp) lights--however, with or without a tape in the well and the door closed, the aforementioned group smiles at me.  No tapes got chewed at all.

Is this a transport logic prob, or the beginnings of orange cap disease?  I'm hoping the latter, since I have a new set of Pansonic polyesters ready to go in.  Any suggestions would be welcomed and greatly appreciated.

Best,

Paul Dingle
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 21 14:47:49 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:47:49 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Techman 777
Message-ID: <002401c4b76c$2c56bf10$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Without Techman, I would be doomed to combing EBay looking for the scraps of odd Nakamichi original service manuals that pop up infrequently on EBay.  Thanks to him, my LX-3 and CR-7A and High Com II are cured of orange cap disease, and I have a powerful tool to diagnose problems.  His price and service is great, and the quality is the best I've seen in a long time (you should have seen the crap xerox stuff I got for an old Kenwood deck from a "factory authorized" internet merchant for $35!!)

If Mr. Stocker and McIntosh go after Herr Techman, I promise a flood of EBay ads for a "Free Techman 777" T-shirt--maybe the listing could be entitled "Free Techman 777 Nak Nakamichi Revox Tandberg McIntosh Quad Carver audiophile".  I trust fellow Nakfanatics will buy one and wear it proudly... ;-)

Out of curiosity, are there any legal minds on the list that could speak to Techman's activities?  Since Nakamichi as well as many other companies refuse to support older equipment, would they REALLY go after him?

best,

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From kokkolis at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 21 19:56:13 2004
From: kokkolis at yahoo.com (Christos Kokkolis)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:56:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon upgrades ?
Message-ID: <20041021175613.22083.qmail@web13525.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear friends,
 
 
I have noticed our discussions about CR-7 transport and equalization upgrades. 
 
Do you know what upgrades Dragons have been through during production, and from what serial No?
 
Your knowledge and experiences will certainly help me to avoid pitfalls when buying...
 
Thanks a lot,
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 20:12:42 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:12:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] covers on ZX 7, 9, Dragon
References: <009601c4b768$b08192a0$da6723c8@g8nsv> from "Isy Fidelman"
	atOct	21, 2004 08:22:47 AM <4177A461.31604.52B72FA@localhost>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV3rBLSAQV6u0000edad@hotmail.com>

Thanks a lot for your erudite information...HOWEVER...nothing on it in 
Dragon's official Instructions/Service manuals!!!?

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <timbarrett at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:58 PM
Subject: [naktalk] covers on ZX 7, 9, Dragon


>I seem to remember that all three of those models - the ZX-7, ZX-9, and the 
>Dragon
> had the plastic covers over the bias/level knob sets when new.  They are 
> missing
> from my ZX-7 as well.  Many people simply left them off for convenience 
> and then
> lost them.
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Oct 21 20:40:08 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:40:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAk oms-7 Schematic wanted
Message-ID: <302-41780288-9384@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>

Hello ,ive been off the board for awhile,and i just checked out the post
for the last month and 1/2.the best parts were the posts by graham about
the low tech recordings ,also Marcs posts on the sony metal master and
dolby recording.I also enjoyed the posts by carlos about the "stove"in
the living room,and Georges discussion on the digitsal domain
vs.analougue.The low points were the lack of any feedback on the
marathon 2 project-VEery disapointing and it looks like this was
probably the last one.Also the Newbie secreaming at Ti-"how bout a
little respect for one of the greatest naktalkers?" ANYWAY-i need a
schematic for an NAK OMS-7.I was fortunate to get a reply   to an e-mail
i sent Steven Sank(I did drop Wouters name by way of mentioning the
Naktalk,thanks Wouter an a donation is soon coming).He says that the
transport is great,but there is no way possible to put Digital outputs
on this player.He said he is able to upgrade the unit,and to make it
cd-r compatable.I didnt ask about "reclocking".I need a schematic
because there is one other guy (www.holtmods.com) who says he might have
a digital output upgrade ,but he needs to study the schematic.Thanks
again and good to talk with everyone!

thank you very much,
gerald



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct 21 20:53:40 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:53:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
In-Reply-To: <FAF14B89-2356-11D9-8003-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
Message-ID: <001201c4b79f$47c21000$f6d5883e@oemcomputer>



> Don said:
 I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co. (Stephen Sank) and got no response...

I'm sayin' nothing!!

Grinham

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct 21 20:53:43 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:53:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] covers on ZX 7, 9, Dragon
In-Reply-To: <4177A461.31604.52B72FA@localhost>
Message-ID: <001301c4b79f$49535e60$f6d5883e@oemcomputer>

Most annoyingly, I lost one of my covers from my ZX9.  I suspect it fell on
the floor and our Dyson ate it.  (If anyone's got a spare ...???)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of timbarrett at cox.net
> Sent: 21 October 2004 16:58
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] covers on ZX 7, 9, Dragon
>
>
> I seem to remember that all three of those models - the ZX-7,
> ZX-9, and the Dragon
> had the plastic covers over the bias/level knob sets when new.
> They are missing
> from my ZX-7 as well.  Many people simply left them off for
> convenience and then
> lost them.
>
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 21 20:58:36 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:58:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote "files"
Message-ID: <012301c4b79f$f859e320$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Hi, folks--I was in the market for a remote for my CR7 and contacted Jeff @ ESL --sadly, he has none available.  I remember a past thread where somebody had stored the RM7C's commands in a file (.ccf?) that could be downloaded into a Pronto remote.

If that person is still out there, I would appreciate an email offlist to discuss possibly getting that file.

Thanks,

Paul Dingle
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From michi at zeroc.com  Thu Oct 21 21:15:10 2004
From: michi at zeroc.com (Michi Henning)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:15:10 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] covers on ZX 7, 9, Dragon
References: <009601c4b768$b08192a0$da6723c8@g8nsv> from "Isy Fidelman"atOct	21,
	2004 08:22:47 AM <4177A461.31604.52B72FA@localhost>
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> Thanks a lot for your erudite information...HOWEVER...nothing on it in 
> Dragon's official Instructions/Service manuals!!!?

I bought my Dragon new in early 1987 (Australian model). It didn't come
with these covers. Maybe Nakamichi didn't bother with them after a
certain date? (I know that the German model a few years previously
did have the covers.)

Cheers,

Michi.
--
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 21:17:28 2004
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:17:28 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] covers on ZX 7, 9, Dragon
Message-ID: <BAY10-F56wtsQztQoPA0000af53@hotmail.com>

I have all my covers for my ZX-7. Yes, I too have put them in a bag and I 
believe they are in the closet. I really dont see any need for them but I 
always put them on when transporting the cassette deck.

>From: timbarrett at cox.net
>Reply-To: timbarrett at cox.net,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] covers on ZX 7, 9, Dragon
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:58:25 -0400
>
>I seem to remember that all three of those models - the ZX-7, ZX-9, and the 
>Dragon
>had the plastic covers over the bias/level knob sets when new.  They are 
>missing
>from my ZX-7 as well.  Many people simply left them off for convenience and 
>then
>lost them.
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 21:31:03 2004
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:31:03 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
Message-ID: <BAY10-F27mNEYnkZvLQ00017365@hotmail.com>

Congratulations on the ZX-9 purchase. Welcome to the 'ZX' ownership. 
Possibly the best NAk they ever made. Let us know if this sounds better than 
your RX-505. I think the ZX-9 does, although I never heard the RX-505.

>From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
>Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:44:30 -0500
>
>Greetings NakTalk friends,
>
>Just recently purchased a beautiful condition Nak ZX-9 deck.  A minor
>fixer, needs a direct drive capstan flywheel belt replacement.  That
>project is in the works now.  Meanwhile, I'm looking over the deck,
>and wondering if any other NakTalkers might have experience
>replacing the ZX-9 flywheel belt.  Its gonna be a tricky manuever,
>from my initial observations.  Have to partially disassemble the DD
>motor to access the flywheels and insert the belt. Anyone have hand-
>on experience with doing this kind of flywheel belt replacement?  Any
>special adjustments to be aware of as I proceed with the fix??
>
>Also, I noticed that on another ZX-9 auction, there is listed control knob
>covers for the six independent calibration and bias control knobs.
>I've never seen these little covers before, quite a novelty item, eh?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5725464755
>&rd=1
>
>Comments welcome, or contact me directly via my email address.
>
>Merci
>
>K.J. Bleus
>Madison, Wisc USA
>kjbleus@ charter.net
>
>
>
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Oct 21 21:45:04 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:45:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A woes
Message-ID: <20041021194505.QUQX6327.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Fugue,

I had this exact problem just a few months ago.  My problem was caused by tape wrapping around the right pinch roller and arm.

My lights did exactly as you describe but the symptoms and problem I had may not be exactly yours.

After I cleared my jam, that particular problem went away but apparently knocked something out of adjustment and it never play 100% correct after that.

Roland


> 
> From: Fugue <fugue4all at shaw.ca>
> Date: 2004/10/21 Thu PM 01:01:11 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A woes
> 
> Wow--after my defense of Techman777, my CR-7 packs up!!! :-(  His beautifully printed service manual doesn't have any troubleshooting sections, so I'm asking my erudite fellow listers for help.
> 
> In the middle of playing a tape, it stopped and the pause, FF, RWD, play and fader up lamps froze on together.  I can't initiate play at all.  FF and REW work OK (after about a
> 2 second delay when I push either button--when fast wind happens, just the single button lamp lights--after I press stop, the 5 lamps light up again). 
> 
> When the cassette door is open, just the stop lamp (and fader up lamp) lights--however, with or without a tape in the well and the door closed, the aforementioned group smiles at me.  No tapes got chewed at all.
> 
> Is this a transport logic prob, or the beginnings of orange cap disease?  I'm hoping the latter, since I have a new set of Pansonic polyesters ready to go in.  Any suggestions would be welcomed and greatly appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Paul Dingle
> In the (now) Frozen North of Ontario
> 

Roland
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Oct 21 23:50:30 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:50:30 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6FD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I can tell you Mark it certanly does sound better. Something about the ZX9
that makes it stand ahead of some of the other units.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Exstedt [mailto:mark8559 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 22 October 2004 5:31
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)


Congratulations on the ZX-9 purchase. Welcome to the 'ZX' ownership. 
Possibly the best NAk they ever made. Let us know if this sounds better than

your RX-505. I think the ZX-9 does, although I never heard the RX-505.


From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com  Thu Oct 21 23:22:06 2004
From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:22:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Authorized Nak Service Centers
Message-ID: <OF6F129DA3.3AF9E915-ON86256F34.007519AF-86256F34.0075619F@crnotes.rockwellcollins.com>

Don't bother writing or e-mailing. I did that a few times too with no 
response. I called the number on the website and spoke to Steve himself. 
Made arrangements to send the unit and in about 3 weeks, I had my unit 
back!

Gary


>>From: Durham <whgl at iland.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers

I'd like to ask everyone:  What are our options these days for 
professional Nak servicing? I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co. 
(Stephen Sank) and got no response; probably I'll try again. Others?

Best,
Don<<
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 23:51:19 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:51:19 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote "files"
Message-ID: <BAY101-F11A2aiVklUV00013244@hotmail.com>


Hi Paul,

That may have been me. The original .ccf file was given to me by Ron, one of 
our longstanding contributors on Naktalk but he seems to be quiet lately. Is 
he still around? Anyway, I have taken the liberty of attaching the CR-7 .ccf 
file onto this list cos it's only a small file (12kb) and may be useful to 
others as well............btw those RM7C remotes seem to go for crazy prices 
nowadays on Ebay........

Kelvin.

>From: Fugue <fugue4all at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote "files"
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:58:36 -0400
>
>Hi, folks--I was in the market for a remote for my CR7 and contacted Jeff @ 
>ESL --sadly, he has none available.  I remember a past thread where 
>somebody had stored the RM7C's commands in a file (.ccf?) that could be 
>downloaded into a Pronto remote.
>
>If that person is still out there, I would appreciate an email offlist to 
>discuss possibly getting that file.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul Dingle
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 23:52:11 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:52:11 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote "files"
Message-ID: <BAY101-F28jbDt3HvoF0000da7c@hotmail.com>


Sorry, a bit too fast on the previous mail, didn't attach the file yet! But 
it's here now.

Hi Paul,

That may have been me. The original .ccf file was given to me by Ron, one of 
our longstanding contributors on Naktalk but he seems to be quiet lately. Is 
he still around? Anyway, I have taken the liberty of attaching the CR-7 .ccf 
file onto this list cos it's only a small file (12kb) and may be useful to 
others as well............btw those RM7C remotes seem to go for crazy prices 
nowadays on Ebay........

Kelvin.

>From: Fugue <fugue4all at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] CR7 remote "files"
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:58:36 -0400
>
>Hi, folks--I was in the market for a remote for my CR7 and contacted Jeff @ 
>ESL --sadly, he has none available.  I remember a past thread where 
>somebody had stored the RM7C's commands in a file (.ccf?) that could be 
>downloaded into a Pronto remote.
>
>If that person is still out there, I would appreciate an email offlist to 
>discuss possibly getting that file.
>
>Thanks,
>
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Thu Oct 21 15:26:00 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:26:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
References: <20041021052544.E31F71704A@smtp.amb.org><009601c4b768$b08192a0$da6723c8@g8nsv>
	<BAY18-DAV12fExvWvqz0000867a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4b7ba$ecf4c200$bb6623c8@g8nsv>

Mine does Alex......

I don't know if those are factory covers or my dad put them...He was the 
original owner....

Isy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)


> Hi Isy,
>
> My Dragon don't have any covers?
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
>
>
>> The DRAGON also comes with those covers Mr. Bleus. I have them in mine.
>>
>> Isy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 (Belt Replacement)
>>
>>
>>> KJ Bleus writes:
>>>> Also, I noticed that on another ZX-9 auction, there is listed control 
>>>> knob
>>>> covers for the six independent calibration and bias control knobs.
>>>> I've never seen these little covers before, quite a novelty item, eh?
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5725464755
>>>> &rd=1
>>>
>>> The deck came with those covers.  Second hand gear is often missing
>>> them because the previous owners lost them.
>>>
>>> -Ti
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Oct 22 00:32:54 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:32:54 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A woes
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6FE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Paul. This is a common problem with the non-genuine nak mechanisms
(sankyo type). There is a cam motor at the back left of your mechanism and
it moves the cam which is a wheel that has grooves, these grooves push three
leaf switches that tell the CPU what mode the mechanism is in. Typically the
motor can sieze up and it cannot switch the modes correctly, this motor
needs to be removed and dissasembled for lubrication - basically cleaning up
the gunk inside the motor.
 
    Tom. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Fugue [mailto:fugue4all at shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, 22 October 2004 3:01
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A woes


Wow--after my defense of Techman777, my CR-7 packs up!!! :-(  His
beautifully printed service manual doesn't have any troubleshooting
sections, so I'm asking my erudite fellow listers for help.
 
In the middle of playing a tape, it stopped and the pause, FF, RWD, play and
fader up lamps froze on together.  I can't initiate play at all.  FF and REW
work OK (after about a
2 second delay when I push either button--when fast wind happens, just the
single button lamp lights--after I press stop, the 5 lamps light up again). 
 
When the cassette door is open, just the stop lamp (and fader up lamp)
lights--however, with or without a tape in the well and the door closed, the
aforementioned group smiles at me.  No tapes got chewed at all.

Is this a transport logic prob, or the beginnings of orange cap disease?
I'm hoping the latter, since I have a new set of Pansonic polyesters ready
to go in.  Any suggestions would be welcomed and greatly appreciated.

Best,
 
Paul Dingle
In the (now) Frozen North of Ontario

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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Oct 22 05:39:31 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:39:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Techman 777
References: <002401c4b76c$2c56bf10$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <002901c4b7e8$be034ec0$03773242@CopyTech>

See below ...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fugue 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:47 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Techman 777


  Out of curiosity, are there any legal minds on the list that could speak to Techman's activities?  Since Nakamichi as well as many other companies refuse to support older equipment, would they REALLY go after him?

  No, I don't think anybody will go after him simply because the manufacturers don't care about him or about re-printing manuals either.

  Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Oct 22 05:45:04 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:45:04 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
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Message-ID: <004601c4b7e9$84ecc930$03773242@CopyTech>

Did you ever got your unit back ?

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers


>
>
> > Don said:
>  I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co. (Stephen Sank) and got no
response...
>
> I'm sayin' nothing!!
>
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Fri Oct 22 02:51:38 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:51:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tapes MkII (San Fran Playlist content)
Message-ID: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

I've got a bit of time tonight, and I've begun laying out the San Fran Nak Fest playlist on the Nak Marathon Mk II webpage.  I have a couple emails from a while back here within my reach, Ti Kan's and Robert Kent's, which identify some of the music tracks, but I don't have all the info needed to complete this part of the project.  Attention to  the San Fran Nak Festers, please provide the remaining playlist information to me.  Here's a peek at the page so far, coming together slowly......

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon2004.html

Email me directly with additional info at: kjbleus at lycos.com

With the remaining info at my fingertips, I should be able to finish this project off soon.  And then Gerald (and other) will certainly be smiling again!

Regards,

Bleus
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From enoyes at snet.net  Fri Oct 22 05:44:37 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:44:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] selling manuals on ebay
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6FC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6FC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <41788225.2010001@snet.net>

I just want to say thanks for the overwhelming response to my request. 
The many offers to provide pdf's have all been much appreciated and it 
really speaks to the quality of the group we have here. As it turned 
out, by the time I checked my email in the late morning, the files had 
already been sent as attachments!

Thanks again to all! Ed

>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Thursday, 21 October 2004 2:06
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>
>Speaking of which, does anyone out there have a 480 service manual (or 
>even component values pages) as a PDF? I've been trying to get my old 
>standby back up on its feet and would greatly appreciate it... how I 
>wish the old server ftp was still up.
>
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From srudick at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 22 06:47:27 2004
From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:47:27 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
Message-ID: <BAY16-F18dyZSdA6kvA00003633@hotmail.com>

Regarding Nak service. I look at it this way.  Nakamichi, particularly the 
top of the line series, are akin to owning a Ferrari. Yes there may be some 
things you can do yourself, but alignments and most repairs are best left up 
to those with the specialized Nakamichi tools, equipment and experience. 
Otherwise, your Dragon is just not a Dragon. After all, why did you buy it; 
to look at it, or to listen to it?
Look, let�s put it another way. If you did own a Ferrari, would you bring it 
to your corner gas station for a tune up?
Personally, I want my Ferrari to be able to rip up the road!

Steve Rudick
Audiotech/Montreal
srudick at hotmail.com

Authorized Nakamichi service for over 20 years.


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I haven't seen the rest of this treadand this might have been covered,  but 
I seem to remember that the 550 had a reed switch that was opened and closed 
by a rotating magnet, this was located near the counter mech and was part 
othe auto shut off mechanism. The opening and closing of the reed switch 
could be on the loud side (relatively speaking). I don't think a new switch 
will be any better!
You could try an new counter belt as it could be loose and may not be able 
to produce enough torque to cleanly rotate the magnet causing the reed 
switch action to be sloppy
and more noisy than usual......... Just a thought.

Terry

Durham &lt;whgl at iland.net&gt; wrote:

Hi again, Steve, and thank you for responding to my original question
about my clicking 550. You probably read my further comments that it
seems abnormally loud and perhaps does need attention. Regarding your
recent comment re the clicking Dragon:

&gt; The solution, is to send it in for service to an authorized Nak service
&gt; center, and have it done right. You will not be able to fix this one
&gt; yourself - GUARANTEED!

I'd like to ask everyone: What are our options these days for
professional Nak servicing? I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co.
(Stephen Sank) and got no response; probably I'll try again. Others?

Best,
Don




From flifton at mac.com  Fri Oct 22 09:14:36 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:14:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman manual
In-Reply-To: <200410211857.i9LIutvw023337@zebra.naks.com>
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Hello all,
Speaking of manuals, many months ago someone on the list expressed an 
interest in a pdf of the manual for the Luxman KX102, which Bob in 
Seattle so kindly copied for me. Since then, life, disease and a lack 
of scanner drivers (feh, UMAX) intervened and I've lost the request. 
So, if you're interested in a pdf of the manual for this uniquely 80's 
deck, just post me on or off the list.

BTW, thanks, Alex, for your response on 100 min. tape. Any experience 
with  110? Are these necessarily thinner?

best,
Fred



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 22 10:08:05 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:08:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman manual
References: <200410211857.i9LIutvw023337@zebra.naks.com>
	<07B1BFDC-23FA-11D9-A30D-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
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Hi Fred,

YES..the maximum length is 100 minutes...any longer must be thinner!

All the best!

ALEX!
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> Hello all,
> Speaking of manuals, many months ago someone on the list expressed an 
> interest in a pdf of the manual for the Luxman KX102, which Bob in Seattle 
> so kindly copied for me. Since then, life, disease and a lack of scanner 
> drivers (feh, UMAX) intervened and I've lost the request. So, if you're 
> interested in a pdf of the manual for this uniquely 80's deck, just post 
> me on or off the list.
>
> BTW, thanks, Alex, for your response on 100 min. tape. Any experience with 
> 110? Are these necessarily thinner?
>
> best,
> Fred
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 22 10:52:20 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:52:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
References: <BAY16-F18dyZSdA6kvA00003633@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV11dKO8FNpy000011cd@hotmail.com>

Yes Steve, I completely agreed a Ferrari MUST be tuned by an a Ferrari 
super-specialist!!! Don't forget...THAT Ferrari exist...BUT Nakamichi 
NOT...So Spare parts for any NAK machine are today extremely scarce...or NO 
available at all!!!

But...if such Dragon owner, have "Clicking"...only at some specific 
cassettes, that maybe WERE recorded by an a NOT at all aligned record head, 
for so...the NAAC feature of the Dragon's machine CAN'T reach such so highly 
"Out-Aligned" recorder cassette, for that I advice him to try FIRST...before 
to be send to any NAK service center...with a newer cassette, so he will 
record and after that listen what he record using his Dragon's as that...and 
I feel that all will be OK...! Did you agreed?

Cheers,

ALEX!
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> Regarding Nak service. I look at it this way.  Nakamichi, particularly the 
> top of the line series, are akin to owning a Ferrari. Yes there may be 
> some things you can do yourself, but alignments and most repairs are best 
> left up to those with the specialized Nakamichi tools, equipment and 
> experience. Otherwise, your Dragon is just not a Dragon. After all, why 
> did you buy it; to look at it, or to listen to it?
> Look, let’s put it another way. If you did own a Ferrari, would you bring 
> it to your corner gas station for a tune up?
> Personally, I want my Ferrari to be able to rip up the road!
>
> Steve Rudick
> Audiotech/Montreal
> srudick at hotmail.com
>
> Authorized Nakamichi service for over 20 years.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
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> I haven't seen the rest of this treadand this might have been covered, 
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> closed by a rotating magnet, this was located near the counter mech and 
> was part othe auto shut off mechanism. The opening and closing of the reed 
> switch could be on the loud side (relatively speaking). I don't think a 
> new switch will be any better!
> You could try an new counter belt as it could be loose and may not be able 
> to produce enough torque to cleanly rotate the magnet causing the reed 
> switch action to be sloppy
> and more noisy than usual......... Just a thought.
>
> Terry
>
> Durham &lt;whgl at iland.net&gt; wrote:
>
> Hi again, Steve, and thank you for responding to my original question
> about my clicking 550. You probably read my further comments that it
> seems abnormally loud and perhaps does need attention. Regarding your
> recent comment re the clicking Dragon:
>
> &gt; The solution, is to send it in for service to an authorized Nak 
> service
> &gt; center, and have it done right. You will not be able to fix this one
> &gt; yourself - GUARANTEED!
>
> I'd like to ask everyone: What are our options these days for
> professional Nak servicing? I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co.
> (Stephen Sank) and got no response; probably I'll try again. Others?
>
> Best,
> Don
>
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From fff-music at millic.com.ar  Fri Oct 22 14:11:35 2004
From: fff-music at millic.com.ar (musica)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:11:35 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] speaking about manuals - help needed
Message-ID: <84BE286A-2423-11D9-B3D8-000A95B99D40@millic.com.ar>

Hi,
  reading all the emails about this subject, I decided it was time to 
try to get my lost manuals !!
Does anyone has  a PDF file of the manuals for the Naka 630 FM - preamp 
and for the Naka 700 II cassette deck ?
Any help will be welcomed.
Those machines where at my parents house for more than 10 years and I 
recovered a few weeks ago, and guess what ? they are working great but 
no manuals (it seems my parents used them to start a fire for a 
barbecue some years ago !!!).
Thanks in advance
Fabio
fff-music at millic.com.ar



From srudick at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 22 18:05:25 2004
From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:05:25 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
Message-ID: <BAY16-F20wFI1ZG5yoV0000a4d7@hotmail.com>






The record head of the Dragon does not move, nor is it user adjustable. 
Every time the eject button is pressed and the door opened, the playback 
head ALWAYS, and automatically returns to its centered, reference position. 
This will ensure that minimal NAAC correction of the playback head will be 
required. All recordings should be near perfect irrespective of playback 
head position.
This centered, reference position is critical to the WHOLE alignment of the 
Dragon. Get this wrong and either one, or both directions will not function 
optimally - if at all! Also, the record head alignment is predicated on this 
centered, reference position.
I strongly urge all Dragon owners to NEVER mess with ANYTHING, mechanical or 
electrical, that effects head alignment!
One of the causes of the �clicking� you�re hearing MAY be caused by an out 
of alignment reference position of the playback head. All the more likely if 
it occurs in only one direction.
I encourage everyone to have this above-mentioned advice corroborated by any 
other independent, authorized, Nakamichi service center, or by Nakamichi 
itself.

Respectfully,

Steve Rudick
Audiotech/Montreal
Authorized Nakamichi service (20+ yrs.)
srudick at hotmail.com




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Yes Steve, I completely agreed a Ferrari MUST be tuned by an a Ferrari 
super-specialist!!! Don't forget...THAT Ferrari exist...BUT Nakamichi 
NOT...So Spare parts for any NAK machine are today extremely scarce...or NO 
available at all!!!

But...if such Dragon owner, have "Clicking"...only at some specific 
cassettes, that maybe WERE recorded by an a NOT at all aligned record head, 
for so...the NAAC feature of the Dragon's machine CAN'T reach such so highly 
"Out-Aligned" recorder cassette, for that I advice him to try FIRST...before 
to be send to any NAK service center...with a newer cassette, so he will 
record and after that listen what he record using his Dragon's as that...and 
I feel that all will be OK...! Did you agreed?

Cheers,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Rudick" <srudick at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers


>Regarding Nak service. I look at it this way.  Nakamichi, particularly the 
>top of the line series, are akin to owning a Ferrari. Yes there may be some 
>things you can do yourself, but alignments and most repairs are best left 
>up to those with the specialized Nakamichi tools, equipment and experience. 
>Otherwise, your Dragon is just not a Dragon. After all, why did you buy it; 
>to look at it, or to listen to it?
>Look, let�s put it another way. If you did own a Ferrari, would you bring 
>it to your corner gas station for a tune up?
>Personally, I want my Ferrari to be able to rip up the road!
>
>Steve Rudick
>Audiotech/Montreal
>srudick at hotmail.com
>
>Authorized Nakamichi service for over 20 years.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
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>I haven't seen the rest of this treadand this might have been covered, but 
>I seem to remember that the 550 had a reed switch that was opened and 
>closed by a rotating magnet, this was located near the counter mech and was 
>part othe auto shut off mechanism. The opening and closing of the reed 
>switch could be on the loud side (relatively speaking). I don't think a new 
>switch will be any better!
>You could try an new counter belt as it could be loose and may not be able 
>to produce enough torque to cleanly rotate the magnet causing the reed 
>switch action to be sloppy
>and more noisy than usual......... Just a thought.
>
>Terry
>
>Durham &lt;whgl at iland.net&gt; wrote:
>
>Hi again, Steve, and thank you for responding to my original question
>about my clicking 550. You probably read my further comments that it
>seems abnormally loud and perhaps does need attention. Regarding your
>recent comment re the clicking Dragon:
>
>&gt; The solution, is to send it in for service to an authorized Nak 
>service
>&gt; center, and have it done right. You will not be able to fix this one
>&gt; yourself - GUARANTEED!
>
>I'd like to ask everyone: What are our options these days for
>professional Nak servicing? I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co.
>(Stephen Sank) and got no response; probably I'll try again. Others?
>
>Best,
>Don
>
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Oct 22 20:10:47 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:10:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
Message-ID: <20041022181047.BJNE12436.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Steve,

What is your website if you have one?

Thanks

For the record, I happen to agree with you.  For small stuff, sure, DIY if it doesn't involve alignment.  The skills necessary along with the hardware costs alone for the home guy to do it themselves if prohibitive.

If I ever buy another CR-7A, I'll have it serviced even if it plays right.


> 
> From: "Steve Rudick" <srudick at hotmail.com>
> Date: 2004/10/22 Fri PM 12:05:25 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The record head of the Dragon does not move, nor is it user adjustable. 
> Every time the eject button is pressed and the door opened, the playback 
> head ALWAYS, and automatically returns to its centered, reference position. 
> This will ensure that minimal NAAC correction of the playback head will be 
> required. All recordings should be near perfect irrespective of playback 
> head position.
> This centered, reference position is critical to the WHOLE alignment of the 
> Dragon. Get this wrong and either one, or both directions will not function 
> optimally - if at all! Also, the record head alignment is predicated on this 
> centered, reference position.
> I strongly urge all Dragon owners to NEVER mess with ANYTHING, mechanical or 
> electrical, that effects head alignment!
> One of the causes of the ‘clicking’ you’re hearing MAY be caused by an out 
> of alignment reference position of the playback head. All the more likely if 
> it occurs in only one direction.
> I encourage everyone to have this above-mentioned advice corroborated by any 
> other independent, authorized, Nakamichi service center, or by Nakamichi 
> itself.
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> Steve Rudick
> Audiotech/Montreal
> Authorized Nakamichi service (20+ yrs.)
> srudick at hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
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> Yes Steve, I completely agreed a Ferrari MUST be tuned by an a Ferrari 
> super-specialist!!! Don't forget...THAT Ferrari exist...BUT Nakamichi 
> NOT...So Spare parts for any NAK machine are today extremely scarce...or NO 
> available at all!!!
> 
> But...if such Dragon owner, have "Clicking"...only at some specific 
> cassettes, that maybe WERE recorded by an a NOT at all aligned record head, 
> for so...the NAAC feature of the Dragon's machine CAN'T reach such so highly 
> "Out-Aligned" recorder cassette, for that I advice him to try FIRST...before 
> to be send to any NAK service center...with a newer cassette, so he will 
> record and after that listen what he record using his Dragon's as that...and 
> I feel that all will be OK...! Did you agreed?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Rudick" <srudick at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
> 
> 
> >Regarding Nak service. I look at it this way.  Nakamichi, particularly the 
> >top of the line series, are akin to owning a Ferrari. Yes there may be some 
> >things you can do yourself, but alignments and most repairs are best left 
> >up to those with the specialized Nakamichi tools, equipment and experience. 
> >Otherwise, your Dragon is just not a Dragon. After all, why did you buy it; 
> >to look at it, or to listen to it?
> >Look, let’s put it another way. If you did own a Ferrari, would you bring 
> >it to your corner gas station for a tune up?
> >Personally, I want my Ferrari to be able to rip up the road!
> >
> >Steve Rudick
> >Audiotech/Montreal
> >srudick at hotmail.com
> >
> >Authorized Nakamichi service for over 20 years.
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: TERRY FINN &lt;tpfinn at btinternet.com&gt;
> >Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette 
> >Decks &lt;naktalk at naks.com&gt;
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> >I haven't seen the rest of this treadand this might have been covered, but 
> >I seem to remember that the 550 had a reed switch that was opened and 
> >closed by a rotating magnet, this was located near the counter mech and was 
> >part othe auto shut off mechanism. The opening and closing of the reed 
> >switch could be on the loud side (relatively speaking). I don't think a new 
> >switch will be any better!
> >You could try an new counter belt as it could be loose and may not be able 
> >to produce enough torque to cleanly rotate the magnet causing the reed 
> >switch action to be sloppy
> >and more noisy than usual......... Just a thought.
> >
> >Terry
> >
> >Durham &lt;whgl at iland.net&gt; wrote:
> >
> >Hi again, Steve, and thank you for responding to my original question
> >about my clicking 550. You probably read my further comments that it
> >seems abnormally loud and perhaps does need attention. Regarding your
> >recent comment re the clicking Dragon:
> >
> >&gt; The solution, is to send it in for service to an authorized Nak 
> >service
> >&gt; center, and have it done right. You will not be able to fix this one
> >&gt; yourself - GUARANTEED!
> >
> >I'd like to ask everyone: What are our options these days for
> >professional Nak servicing? I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co.
> >(Stephen Sank) and got no response; probably I'll try again. Others?
> >
> >Best,
> >Don
> >
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 22 21:18:07 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:18:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
References: <BAY16-F20wFI1ZG5yoV0000a4d7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5fAdhevcdE0000283b@hotmail.com>

Dear Steve,

Of course...when I wrote my reply...I was or I'm 100% sure that such 
"Clicking" Dragon's NEVER touch inside the heads>>>!!!, IF he do such 
think...I completely SUPER agree with you! However...that owner NEVER wrote 
us the whole truth...or make himself much crystal clear on HOW the "Click" 
begun? If...he will write us exactly how happen the "Whole Truth"...we will 
help him! I hope???

Be well, and if I will need your help from Israel to Canada it's NOT a cheap 
issue!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Rudick" <srudick at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers


>
>
>
>
>
> The record head of the Dragon does not move, nor is it user adjustable. 
> Every time the eject button is pressed and the door opened, the playback 
> head ALWAYS, and automatically returns to its centered, reference 
> position. This will ensure that minimal NAAC correction of the playback 
> head will be required. All recordings should be near perfect irrespective 
> of playback head position.
> This centered, reference position is critical to the WHOLE alignment of 
> the Dragon. Get this wrong and either one, or both directions will not 
> function optimally - if at all! Also, the record head alignment is 
> predicated on this centered, reference position.
> I strongly urge all Dragon owners to NEVER mess with ANYTHING, mechanical 
> or electrical, that effects head alignment!
> One of the causes of the ‘clicking’ you’re hearing MAY be caused by an out 
> of alignment reference position of the playback head. All the more likely 
> if it occurs in only one direction.
> I encourage everyone to have this above-mentioned advice corroborated by 
> any other independent, authorized, Nakamichi service center, or by 
> Nakamichi itself.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Steve Rudick
> Audiotech/Montreal
> Authorized Nakamichi service (20+ yrs.)
> srudick at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
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> Yes Steve, I completely agreed a Ferrari MUST be tuned by an a Ferrari 
> super-specialist!!! Don't forget...THAT Ferrari exist...BUT Nakamichi 
> NOT...So Spare parts for any NAK machine are today extremely scarce...or 
> NO available at all!!!
>
> But...if such Dragon owner, have "Clicking"...only at some specific 
> cassettes, that maybe WERE recorded by an a NOT at all aligned record 
> head, for so...the NAAC feature of the Dragon's machine CAN'T reach such 
> so highly "Out-Aligned" recorder cassette, for that I advice him to try 
> FIRST...before to be send to any NAK service center...with a newer 
> cassette, so he will record and after that listen what he record using his 
> Dragon's as that...and I feel that all will be OK...! Did you agreed?
>
> Cheers,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Rudick" <srudick at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
>
>
>>Regarding Nak service. I look at it this way.  Nakamichi, particularly the 
>>top of the line series, are akin to owning a Ferrari. Yes there may be 
>>some things you can do yourself, but alignments and most repairs are best 
>>left up to those with the specialized Nakamichi tools, equipment and 
>>experience. Otherwise, your Dragon is just not a Dragon. After all, why 
>>did you buy it; to look at it, or to listen to it?
>>Look, let’s put it another way. If you did own a Ferrari, would you bring 
>>it to your corner gas station for a tune up?
>>Personally, I want my Ferrari to be able to rip up the road!
>>
>>Steve Rudick
>>Audiotech/Montreal
>>srudick at hotmail.com
>>
>>Authorized Nakamichi service for over 20 years.
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: TERRY FINN &lt;tpfinn at btinternet.com&gt;
>>Reply-To: terry at affinityaudio.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette 
>>Decks &lt;naktalk at naks.com&gt;
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks &lt;naktalk at naks.com&gt;
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
>>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:47:32 +0100 (BST)
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>>I haven't seen the rest of this treadand this might have been covered, but 
>>I seem to remember that the 550 had a reed switch that was opened and 
>>closed by a rotating magnet, this was located near the counter mech and 
>>was part othe auto shut off mechanism. The opening and closing of the reed 
>>switch could be on the loud side (relatively speaking). I don't think a 
>>new switch will be any better!
>>You could try an new counter belt as it could be loose and may not be able 
>>to produce enough torque to cleanly rotate the magnet causing the reed 
>>switch action to be sloppy
>>and more noisy than usual......... Just a thought.
>>
>>Terry
>>
>>Durham &lt;whgl at iland.net&gt; wrote:
>>
>>Hi again, Steve, and thank you for responding to my original question
>>about my clicking 550. You probably read my further comments that it
>>seems abnormally loud and perhaps does need attention. Regarding your
>>recent comment re the clicking Dragon:
>>
>>&gt; The solution, is to send it in for service to an authorized Nak 
>>service
>>&gt; center, and have it done right. You will not be able to fix this one
>>&gt; yourself - GUARANTEED!
>>
>>I'd like to ask everyone: What are our options these days for
>>professional Nak servicing? I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co.
>>(Stephen Sank) and got no response; probably I'll try again. Others?
>>
>>Best,
>>Don
>>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 22 22:05:59 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:05:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
In-Reply-To: <004601c4b7e9$84ecc930$03773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001301c4b872$8c59e2a0$99fd4c51@oemcomputer>

Oh yes, I got my gear, thanks.

Gra'

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> Did you ever got your unit back ?
> 
> Carlos
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Oct 22 23:12:03 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:12:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DR-1
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041022171109.03d80bc8@psulias.psu.edu>

How do you guys feel about the DR-1 compared to the other top models(CR-7, 
Dragon, ZX-9, etc)?
Playback in particular.  Does the Azimuth adjust work from the TA-4 remote?



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Oct 23 03:03:57 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:03:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] OT-need sure v5 stylus used
Message-ID: <22821-4179ADFD-11672@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>

just thought i would make a desperate plea beseeching anyone with a used
sure v5(15)? needle to spare-aftermarket ok- let me know.im sorry for
the off topic post.  my system is fnally in place and nearly ready for
ignition and for some home recording on my beautiful nakamichi decks.

thank you very much,
gerald



From srudick at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 23 03:50:55 2004
From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:50:55 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
Message-ID: <BAY16-F235UE9chbN2t0000872d@hotmail.com>




I do have a web site, however, it pertains to my other passion and field 
expertise, energy efficiency and geothermal energy in particular. We 
installed a high efficiency, geothermal ground source heat pump, which has 
been nothing short of fantastic!

Anyone interested is welcome to visit at:


http://www.how-efficient-is-it-magazine.com

I can always be reached at: (Please indicate 'nak question for Steve' so it 
doesn't get trashed!)

srudick at hotmail.com

or,

naks at how-efficient-is-it-magazine.com






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Steve,

What is your website if you have one?

Thanks

For the record, I happen to agree with you.  For small stuff, sure, DIY if 
it doesn't involve alignment.  The skills necessary along with the hardware 
costs alone for the home guy to do it themselves if prohibitive.

If I ever buy another CR-7A, I'll have it serviced even if it plays right.


&gt;
&gt; From: &quot;Steve Rudick&quot; &lt;srudick at hotmail.com&gt;
&gt; Date: 2004/10/22 Fri PM 12:05:25 EDT
&gt; To: naktalk at naks.com
&gt; Subject: Re: [naktalk] Authorized Nak Service Centers
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The record head of the Dragon does not move, nor is it user adjustable.
&gt; Every time the eject button is pressed and the door opened, the 
playback
&gt; head ALWAYS, and automatically returns to its centered, reference 
position.
&gt; This will ensure that minimal NAAC correction of the playback head will 
be
&gt; required. All recordings should be near perfect irrespective of 
playback
&gt; head position.
&gt; This centered, reference position is critical to the WHOLE alignment of 
the
&gt; Dragon. Get this wrong and either one, or both directions will not 
function
&gt; optimally - if at all! Also, the record head alignment is predicated on 
this
&gt; centered, reference position.
&gt; I strongly urge all Dragon owners to NEVER mess with ANYTHING, 
mechanical or
&gt; electrical, that effects head alignment!
&gt; One of the causes of the �clicking� you�re hearing MAY be caused by an 
out
&gt; of alignment reference position of the playback head. All the more 
likely if
&gt; it occurs in only one direction.
&gt; I encourage everyone to have this above-mentioned advice corroborated 
by any
&gt; other independent, authorized, Nakamichi service center, or by 
Nakamichi
&gt; itself.
&gt;
&gt; Respectfully,
&gt;
&gt; Steve Rudick
&gt; Audiotech/Montreal
&gt; Authorized Nakamichi service (20+ yrs.)
&gt; srudick at hotmail.com
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
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&gt;
&gt; Yes Steve, I completely agreed a Ferrari MUST be tuned by an a Ferrari
&gt; super-specialist!!! Don't forget...THAT Ferrari exist...BUT Nakamichi
&gt; NOT...So Spare parts for any NAK machine are today extremely 
scarce...or NO
&gt; available at all!!!
&gt;
&gt; But...if such Dragon owner, have &quot;Clicking&quot;...only at some 
specific
&gt; cassettes, that maybe WERE recorded by an a NOT at all aligned record 
head,
&gt; for so...the NAAC feature of the Dragon's machine CAN'T reach such so 
highly
&gt; &quot;Out-Aligned&quot; recorder cassette, for that I advice him to try 
FIRST...before
&gt; to be send to any NAK service center...with a newer cassette, so he 
will
&gt; record and after that listen what he record using his Dragon's as 
that...and
&gt; I feel that all will be OK...! Did you agreed?
&gt;
&gt; Cheers,
&gt;
&gt; ALEX!
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Regarding Nak service. I look at it this way.  Nakamichi, 
particularly the
&gt; &gt;top of the line series, are akin to owning a Ferrari. Yes there may 
be some
&gt; &gt;things you can do yourself, but alignments and most repairs are 
best left
&gt; &gt;up to those with the specialized Nakamichi tools, equipment and 
experience.
&gt; &gt;Otherwise, your Dragon is just not a Dragon. After all, why did you 
buy it;
&gt; &gt;to look at it, or to listen to it?
&gt; &gt;Look, let�s put it another way. If you did own a Ferrari, would you 
bring
&gt; &gt;it to your corner gas station for a tune up?
&gt; &gt;Personally, I want my Ferrari to be able to rip up the road!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Steve Rudick
&gt; &gt;Audiotech/Montreal
&gt; &gt;srudick at hotmail.com
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Authorized Nakamichi service for over 20 years.
&gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt;From: TERRY FINN &amp;lt;tpfinn at btinternet.com&amp;gt;
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&gt; &gt;I haven't seen the rest of this treadand this might have been 
covered, but
&gt; &gt;I seem to remember that the 550 had a reed switch that was opened 
and
&gt; &gt;closed by a rotating magnet, this was located near the counter mech 
and was
&gt; &gt;part othe auto shut off mechanism. The opening and closing of the 
reed
&gt; &gt;switch could be on the loud side (relatively speaking). I don't 
think a new
&gt; &gt;switch will be any better!
&gt; &gt;You could try an new counter belt as it could be loose and may not 
be able
&gt; &gt;to produce enough torque to cleanly rotate the magnet causing the 
reed
&gt; &gt;switch action to be sloppy
&gt; &gt;and more noisy than usual......... Just a thought.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Terry
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Durham &amp;lt;whgl at iland.net&amp;gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Hi again, Steve, and thank you for responding to my original 
question
&gt; &gt;about my clicking 550. You probably read my further comments that 
it
&gt; &gt;seems abnormally loud and perhaps does need attention. Regarding 
your
&gt; &gt;recent comment re the clicking Dragon:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&amp;gt; The solution, is to send it in for service to an 
authorized Nak
&gt; &gt;service
&gt; &gt;&amp;gt; center, and have it done right. You will not be able to 
fix this one
&gt; &gt;&amp;gt; yourself - GUARANTEED!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;I'd like to ask everyone: What are our options these days for
&gt; &gt;professional Nak servicing? I wrote to Talking Dog Transducer Co.
&gt; &gt;(Stephen Sank) and got no response; probably I'll try again. 
Others?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Best,
&gt; &gt;Don
&gt; &gt;
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From mmiller at whitelead.com  Sat Oct 23 08:13:10 2004
From: mmiller at whitelead.com (Mark Takamichi Miller)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:13:10 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] dragon play speed unsteady
Message-ID: <000001c4b8c7$5feb10e0$340ceb42@compaq>

I wonder if anyone has insight into this problem:  in play the tape starts
slow down and speed becomes unsteady.  Problem gets worse the more often the
deck is used.  Then after hitting "stop", the deck starts making a slight
squealing noise which lasts a few minutes.  There is no problem in fast
forward.  

 

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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sat Oct 23 12:46:52 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:46:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DR-1
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041022171109.03d80bc8@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041022171109.03d80bc8@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041023063600.01f578d0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 17:12 10/22/2004, you wrote:
>How do you guys feel about the DR-1 compared to the other top models(CR-7, 
>Dragon, ZX-9, etc)?
>Playback in particular.  Does the Azimuth adjust work from the TA-4 remote?

Except for cosmetics, DR-1 is the same as Cassette Deck 1 which it 
replaced. It is in the same category as LX-5 and CR-3 which are also 
belt-driven, dual-capstan, discrete three-head designs. Playback azimuth 
adjustment is purely mechanical and cannot be remote controlled. On a CR-7, 
it is a motor that moves the head which explains why it can be remote 
controlled. DR-1 is a fine deck, especially for playback.




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 23 12:01:08 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:01:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OT-need sure v5 stylus used
References: <22821-4179ADFD-11672@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10A1XvpFVj000042af@hotmail.com>

Hi Gerald,

WHY looking for an a "USED" Shure V-15/MR type stylus? You CAN'T afford a 
new one???? Please!!!! A NEW one will take care of your Lp records...much 
better that an a used one...THAT you never will know how much was used!?
For that Please Gerald "PLEASED"..., me acquiring an a completely NEW Shure 
replacement stylus!
BTW...I have two V-15/3 with MR stylus on two of my four turntables...!.

Think on it...! Please!!!!

Cheers,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:03 AM
Subject: [naktalk] OT-need sure v5 stylus used


> just thought i would make a desperate plea beseeching anyone with a used
> sure v5(15)? needle to spare-aftermarket ok- let me know.im sorry for
> the off topic post.  my system is fnally in place and nearly ready for
> ignition and for some home recording on my beautiful nakamichi decks.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 23 12:11:39 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:11:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] dragon play speed unsteady
References: <000001c4b8c7$5feb10e0$340ceb42@compaq>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV13zDabigPa0000141f@hotmail.com>

Hi Mark!

As also a Dragon owner, before I or any other member in our Nak forum will try to help you, it's needed more information!

First if such "Malfunction" happen only on some type of cassettes (Older ones or cassettes that was used exclusively on your car...etc...?), for be 100% sure try an a completely new Top Brand cassette...preferable 60 minutes..., record on it making all the adjustment 100% perfectly..and playback after that you have done the recording on both sides, if with this "NEW" cassette all works well..it's your older/used/heated cassettes, throw them away...! Please do not hesitate informing us your test results! Thanks so much...!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Takamichi Miller 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 8:13 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] dragon play speed unsteady


  I wonder if anyone has insight into this problem:  in play the tape starts slow down and speed becomes unsteady.  Problem gets worse the more often the deck is used.  Then after hitting "stop", the deck starts making a slight squealing noise which lasts a few minutes.  There is no problem in fast forward.  



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From mcstuey at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 23 20:32:07 2004
From: mcstuey at yahoo.com (Stuart McClure)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 'Silent' Mechanism chatter
Message-ID: <20041023183207.4534.qmail@web13421.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all, I love my 'new' Nak LX-5, the sound is so
lush, 
it soundstages better than my Cal Audio Icon MK.II CD
player, the best $115 I ever spent on audio! However,
on some of my older, lower-quality tapes the mechanism
chatters and the counter runs fast, until you reach
through the window with your pinkie and gently push
the tape shell (which is what is chattering) until it
'locks on' the back of the tape well...is there a
set-screw or something easy like that to adjust the
tape clamp, or should I just continue to be a bum and
use my thumb..I am mechanically inclined
Thanks
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sat Oct 23 22:15:21 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:15:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OT-need sure v5 stylus used
In-Reply-To: <22821-4179ADFD-11672@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
References: <22821-4179ADFD-11672@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <417ABBD9.4070604@peromarta.org>

Gerald,

aftermarket needles are as bad as can be. Try

www.needledoctor.com

they seem to have loads of V15 replacements, from Ver. III onwards,

rgds, LP.

Gerald G. wrote:

> just thought i would make a desperate plea beseeching anyone with a used
> sure v5(15)? needle to spare-aftermarket ok- let me know.im sorry for
> the off topic post.  my system is fnally in place and nearly ready for
> ignition and for some home recording on my beautiful nakamichi decks.
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Oct 24 10:09:38 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:09:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] DR-1
Message-ID: <s17b7f70.052@mroute.sunint.co.za>

I fully endorse that - the DR-1 is a first rate deck for the serious recordist.  Like all Naks, idiosycratic, manual everything, but built to deliver extraordinary sonic goods - which it does.  Bear in mind that it came out when other manufacturers were selling well made Dolby S decks for less money.  So, it was in competitive company alonside Aiwa AD-9000S, Akai GX-95II (no Dolby S) and Pioneer CT-93 (slightly before the CT-95).

But it still sold well and charmed the reviewers.  It was repeatedly lined up against DCC, minidisc and DAT (topical at the time) by the mags - and usually won the day.

Marc

>>> marcdenis at iquebec.com 10/23/04 12:46PM >>>
At 17:12 10/22/2004, you wrote:
>How do you guys feel about the DR-1 compared to the other top models(CR-7, 
>Dragon, ZX-9, etc)?
>Playback in particular.  Does the Azimuth adjust work from the TA-4 remote?

Except for cosmetics, DR-1 is the same as Cassette Deck 1 which it 
replaced. It is in the same category as LX-5 and CR-3 which are also 
belt-driven, dual-capstan, discrete three-head designs. Playback azimuth 
adjustment is purely mechanical and cannot be remote controlled. On a CR-7, 
it is a motor that moves the head which explains why it can be remote 
controlled. DR-1 is a fine deck, especially for playback.


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From roleo at telus.net  Sat Oct 23 23:44:32 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:44:32 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] OT-need sure v5 stylus used
References: <22821-4179ADFD-11672@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
	<417ABBD9.4070604@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <000901c4b949$7b728370$6401a8c0@desktop>

Gerald:

Shure --- the original makers of the V-15 Cartridges and stylus's (sp?) will replace certain 
needles for a small fee,  You have to send in the cartridge and the worn out / broken needle and 
they will fix it by eplacing the needle with a another Shure needle that works quite well.  I know 
this to be a fact for the V-15 type IV.

http://shure.com/phono/xrefphono.html#discontinued


service at shure.com

This is their new address as of June 2004:

Service Department
5800 West Touhy Avenue
Niles, IL 60714-4608
800-516-2525 (phone)
847-600-8686 (fax/service)
847-600-8688 (fax/parts)



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From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT-need sure v5 stylus used


> Gerald,
>
> aftermarket needles are as bad as can be. Try
>
> www.needledoctor.com
>
> they seem to have loads of V15 replacements, from Ver. III onwards,
>
> rgds, LP.
>
> Gerald G. wrote:
>
>> just thought i would make a desperate plea beseeching anyone with a used
>> sure v5(15)? needle to spare-aftermarket ok- let me know.im sorry for
>> the off topic post.  my system is fnally in place and nearly ready for
>> ignition and for some home recording on my beautiful nakamichi decks.
>>
>> thank you very much,
>> gerald
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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 24 02:25:26 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:25:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Anoying clicking sound coming from Maxell XLII-S tapes..
Message-ID: <20041024002526.75796.qmail@web40605.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone,i bought some Maxell XLII-S 90 minute
cassette's (1989 versions)off ebay, the one's with the
"Super Silent Phase Accuracy Cassette Mechanism's" and
the Epitaxial magnetic particles (Before the "Black
Magetite" stuff) and everyone makes a clicking sound
for the first 10-15 minutes of both A and B sides..The
clicking is not coming from the magnetic tape itself
but from inside the shell or mechanism..Has anyone
experienced this clicking from this year XLII-S
cassette's or know what could be causing the anoying
clicking noise?Thank You for any help or advice..P.S.
The clicking happens in all my decks,Nak,Sony ES,and
Teac..Keith H.   


		
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Sun Oct 24 02:49:30 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:49:30 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! NEED OWNER'S  MANUAL FOR NAKAMICHI 700 ZXL
Message-ID: <11.36761aad.2eac561a@aol.com>

HI Fellow Nak Fans!    Hope everyone is fine!  I recently became a proud 
owner of the Nakamichi 700 ZXL cassette deck. It works great!  I did not get the 
owner's manual from the orginal owner , if some kind soul! has one in PDF form 
which they can mail me then this will be greatly appreciated by me!   Thanks!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 24 21:19:44 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:19:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OT-need sure v5 stylus used
References: <22821-4179ADFD-11672@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net><417ABBD9.4070604@peromarta.org>
	<000901c4b949$7b728370$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12VvLVKi3s00006c79@hotmail.com>

Yes...I forgot to write you Gerald!!! Do it..., will be cheaper that buying 
a new one!

ALEX!
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From: "Roland Alford" <roleo at telus.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT-need sure v5 stylus used


> Gerald:
>
> Shure --- the original makers of the V-15 Cartridges and stylus's (sp?) 
> will replace certain needles for a small fee,  You have to send in the 
> cartridge and the worn out / broken needle and they will fix it by 
> eplacing the needle with a another Shure needle that works quite well.  I 
> know this to be a fact for the V-15 type IV.
>
> http://shure.com/phono/xrefphono.html#discontinued
>
>
> service at shure.com
>
> This is their new address as of June 2004:
>
> Service Department
> 5800 West Touhy Avenue
> Niles, IL 60714-4608
> 800-516-2525 (phone)
> 847-600-8686 (fax/service)
> 847-600-8688 (fax/parts)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT-need sure v5 stylus used
>
>
>> Gerald,
>>
>> aftermarket needles are as bad as can be. Try
>>
>> www.needledoctor.com
>>
>> they seem to have loads of V15 replacements, from Ver. III onwards,
>>
>> rgds, LP.
>>
>> Gerald G. wrote:
>>
>>> just thought i would make a desperate plea beseeching anyone with a used
>>> sure v5(15)? needle to spare-aftermarket ok- let me know.im sorry for
>>> the off topic post.  my system is fnally in place and nearly ready for
>>> ignition and for some home recording on my beautiful nakamichi decks.
>>>
>>> thank you very much,
>>> gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 24 21:24:36 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:24:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Anoying clicking sound coming from Maxell XLII-S tapes..
References: <20041024002526.75796.qmail@web40605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV7DAO2Rpy9t000068b6@hotmail.com>

Dear Keith,

Before you begun to record those newer cassettes (I really hope that what 
you acquired...is an a "Virgin" completely...?), run forward and after 
back...twice! Maybe after this "Treatment...!", all the noises will 
disappear.

Inform us if works?

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Hugo" <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 2:25 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Anoying clicking sound coming from Maxell XLII-S tapes..


> Hello everyone,i bought some Maxell XLII-S 90 minute
> cassette's (1989 versions)off ebay, the one's with the
> "Super Silent Phase Accuracy Cassette Mechanism's" and
> the Epitaxial magnetic particles (Before the "Black
> Magetite" stuff) and everyone makes a clicking sound
> for the first 10-15 minutes of both A and B sides..The
> clicking is not coming from the magnetic tape itself
> but from inside the shell or mechanism..Has anyone
> experienced this clicking from this year XLII-S
> cassette's or know what could be causing the anoying
> clicking noise?Thank You for any help or advice..P.S.
> The clicking happens in all my decks,Nak,Sony ES,and
> Teac..Keith H.
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct 24 23:45:17 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:45:17 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tapes MkII 
In-Reply-To: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <000001c4ba12$c0a47ec0$5d64893e@oemcomputer>

Yippee!!!  I am pleased to announce that my Rega Jupiter II succumb to
threats of being traded in for a Linn Genki and decided to play both
Marathon volumes right through without skipping once ...  Boy, are those
recordings good!  It's amazing to think that they are several generations
old and yet still sound very fresh.

Better still, I really like every track on both CDs save, perhaps, for Tom
Jones ... Sorry, but I never did like his singing!  (Prince Philip once
asked Tom if he got a voice like that by gargling with pebbles ... )  The
guy has a great voice but he expresses song lyrics with as much subtlety as
a Presidential election rally ...

I'm looking forward to seeing the complete track listings as I think I r
ecognised some of the artists ... but I'm not sure.  One track I think is
the 1970's group Focus but without Jan Ackermann's guitar, there was a track
that sounded very like the band that played the TV  series "Hill Street
Blues" theme, and I heard another that I'd bet a $ is a track by one of my
favourite guitarists (and singers) Leo Kotke.  And who was that fantastic
blues singer on track one??

Gra'
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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 04:42:00 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:42:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dropout problem with a brand new tape? 
Message-ID: <20041025024200.52454.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com>

Is it possible to have a dropout problem with a brand
new tape?I was making a recording last night on a
brand new TDK SM 90 ("Pro version of SA")and
everything was going fine until i got halfway through
on side B and all of a sudden the tape got muffled and
the high end went away then about 5 minutes later the
high end came back.Fearing i had a deck problem i
rewinded to the beginning of side B and proceeded to
record that side again and in the very same spot it
did it again.I have never had this happen with a brand
new tape,has anyone ever had this happen with a new
tape or could something else be causing this?Thanks
for any help,Keith.  


		
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From ti at amb.org  Mon Oct 25 10:25:07 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dropout problem with a brand new tape?
In-Reply-To: <20041025024200.52454.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> from "Keith
	Hugo" at Oct 24, 2004 07:42:00 PM
Message-ID: <20041025082507.A03E518A3F@smtp.amb.org>

Keith Hugo writes:
> Is it possible to have a dropout problem with a brand
> new tape?I was making a recording last night on a
> brand new TDK SM 90 ("Pro version of SA")and
> everything was going fine until i got halfway through
> on side B and all of a sudden the tape got muffled and
> the high end went away then about 5 minutes later the
> high end came back.Fearing i had a deck problem i
> rewinded to the beginning of side B and proceeded to
> record that side again and in the very same spot it
> did it again.I have never had this happen with a brand
> new tape,has anyone ever had this happen with a new
> tape or could something else be causing this?Thanks
> for any help,Keith.  

Yup, it's possible.  it's a defect in the tape.  I've had that
happen a number of times.

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From timbarrett at cox.net  Mon Oct 25 14:34:05 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:34:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dropout problem with a brand new tape?
In-Reply-To: <20041025082507.A03E518A3F@smtp.amb.org>
References: <20041025024200.52454.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> from
	"Keith	Hugo" at Oct 24, 2004 07:42:00 PM
Message-ID: <417CBA7D.15250.288A6B@localhost>

forgive me for going off on a tangent -

A long, long, long time ago I had a little reel to reel recorder.  One of those with 3" 
reels.  It was my first tape recorder, and I made tapes of miscellaneous music on it.  
On playback of a tape I'd just finished making, the sound just faded out in the middle 
of a song.  The reels were still moving but there was no sound at all, for about 15 
seconds, then it faded back in and was fine.  I rewound and looked at the tape and 
there was a several foot-long stretch that was perfectly clear - it had no brown 
particles on it at all.  The funny part was that it happened right in the middle of Led 
Zeppelin's 'Communication Breakdown'.

That's what I deserve for buying Radio Shack tape.


From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Oct 25 18:34:48 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:34:48 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tapes MkII 
References: <000001c4ba12$c0a47ec0$5d64893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004001c4bab0$8bbb39d0$5c773242@CopyTech>

You must ask thta one to the San Francisco guys ... Vol. 2 is the complete bay session except for 2 tracks that couldn't be accomodated. Glad you liked it !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 2:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tapes MkII 


  Yippee!!!  I am pleased to announce that my Rega Jupiter II succumb to threats of being traded in for a Linn Genki and decided to play both Marathon volumes right through without skipping once ...  Boy, are those recordings good!  It's amazing to think that they are several generations old and yet still sound very fresh.  

  Better still, I really like every track on both CDs save, perhaps, for Tom Jones ... Sorry, but I never did like his singing!  (Prince Philip once asked Tom if he got a voice like that by gargling with pebbles ... )  The guy has a great voice but he expresses song lyrics with as much subtlety as a Presidential election rally ...

  I'm looking forward to seeing the complete track listings as I think I r ecognised some of the artists ... but I'm not sure.  One track I think is the 1970's group Focus but without Jan Ackermann's guitar, there was a track that sounded very like the band that played the TV  series "Hill Street Blues" theme, and I heard another that I'd bet a $ is a track by one of my favourite guitarists (and singers) Leo Kotke.  And who was that fantastic blues singer on track one??

  Gra'


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct 25 11:03:00 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:03:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dropout problem with a brand new tape? 
In-Reply-To: <20041025024200.52454.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4ba71$6dcf7600$74d14c51@oemcomputer>

In a word, Yes.  Have a looksee at the tape when that happens and you'll
probably find physical damage to it.  I'd advise returning it for a
replacement.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith Hugo
> Sent: 25 October 2004 03:42
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Dropout problem with a brand new tape?
>
>
> Is it possible to have a dropout problem with a brand
> new tape?I was making a recording last night on a
> brand new TDK SM 90 ("Pro version of SA")and
> everything was going fine until i got halfway through
> on side B and all of a sudden the tape got muffled and
> the high end went away then about 5 minutes later the
> high end came back.Fearing i had a deck problem i
> rewinded to the beginning of side B and proceeded to
> record that side again and in the very same spot it
> did it again.I have never had this happen with a brand
> new tape,has anyone ever had this happen with a new
> tape or could something else be causing this?Thanks
> for any help,Keith.
>
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 25 18:47:37 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:47:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dropout problem with a brand new tape?
References: <20041025082507.A03E518A3F@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV14tox7nyeK00004283@hotmail.com>

Me also happen! When happen; I throw away the cassette and use another new 
one...That is all!!!

Don't worry be always happy!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dropout problem with a brand new tape?


> Keith Hugo writes:
>> Is it possible to have a dropout problem with a brand
>> new tape?I was making a recording last night on a
>> brand new TDK SM 90 ("Pro version of SA")and
>> everything was going fine until i got halfway through
>> on side B and all of a sudden the tape got muffled and
>> the high end went away then about 5 minutes later the
>> high end came back.Fearing i had a deck problem i
>> rewinded to the beginning of side B and proceeded to
>> record that side again and in the very same spot it
>> did it again.I have never had this happen with a brand
>> new tape,has anyone ever had this happen with a new
>> tape or could something else be causing this?Thanks
>> for any help,Keith.
>
> Yup, it's possible.  it's a defect in the tape.  I've had that
> happen a number of times.
>
> -Ti
> -- 
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From dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl  Mon Oct 25 19:42:14 2004
From: dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl (Dick van den Berg)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:42:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7
Message-ID: <000c01c4bab9$f7157070$4cd99d52@sheep>

Hello,

Last week I bought a mint Nakamichi ZX 7. Everything works perfectly, except for the speed of the tape.
When I listened to some tapes that I had recorded on my old deck ( Onkyo ) I heard that the music and speech were far too fast ( and having a high pitch ).
The ZX 7 plays a Maxell C 90 in 42 minutes ( one side ofcourse ). My Onkyo takes 48 minutes.  Is there anybody who knows how to adjust the speed of the ZX 7.
I would be very grateful for your help.
Thank you.

Dick van den Berg
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Mon Oct 25 20:25:33 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:25:33 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX tape
	setting with TDK MA 90
Message-ID: <111.3b44bd90.2eae9f1d@aol.com>

Hi Fellow Nak!   First like to thank dear Wouter for sending PDF manual for 
this beautiful tape deck  which by the way was more expensive! the the dragon!  
suggested retail  $3000 for the 700 ZXL and $2200 for the Dragon, I also have 
a Dragon by the way!
 The manual for the 700 ZXL  says that it will rival the performance of the 
1000 ZXL! WOW!!!  I read very carefully the steps for doing the ALBE (auto 
bias, level , eq) which this beauty does for you automatically and then rewind the 
tape to 0000 ready for you to begin recording!  and let me tell you the 
recording it makes is simply out of this world!  in fact the recording sounded 
better than the source!!!  I HAVE NEVER!!!!!! COME ACROSS ANY TAPE DECK THAT HAS 
DONE THAT!!....PERIOD!

I brought this machine from a nice guy who had lost interest in expensive 
gear would just like to listen to a boom box ....uuuuugh!  The tape deck is mint 
shape not a single scratch! everything work perfect! except for that at ZX 
setting and trying to auto calibrate a TDK 90 MA metal tape the tape deck dont 
sucessfully calibrate like it does in regard of TDK SA, SA-X, Maxell x-II  and 
x-II 2S . I tried another TDK MA 90 and still the auto cal flashes which the 
manual says is an indication that auto cal was not sucessul!  If any kind soul! 
knows why it is not auto calibrating the TDK  Metal tape and what to do about 
it , then this kind help and advice will me much appreciated by me!

Thanks!

With Best Regards!
Ali 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Oct 26 00:34:20 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:34:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX
	tapesetting with TDK MA 90
References: <111.3b44bd90.2eae9f1d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c4bae2$c5a77dc0$2d773242@CopyTech>

The 700 ZXL is a really good deck and a nice looking piece of equipment too. I just hope that your "honeymoon" with it would last for long. I don't think the 700 ZXL would calibrate the metal tape but you never know. Try to use her at least once a week to avoid the "gremlins" invade her. This machine, as well as the 1000 ZXL has so complex recording electronics and were so ahead of their time that both are very prone to problems with almost not a single critical part available anymore.

I sold both of my ZXL's (700 & 1000) after spend a fortune on repairs. I sold the 1000 for $400.00 and the 700 for $300.00. I don't know if both were finally repaired afterwards.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BOEING747600 at aol.com 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:25 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX tapesetting with TDK MA 90


  Hi Fellow Nak!   First like to thank dear Wouter for sending PDF manual for this beautiful tape deck  which by the way was more expensive! the the dragon!  suggested retail  $3000 for the 700 ZXL and $2200 for the Dragon, I also have a Dragon by the way!
   The manual for the 700 ZXL  says that it will rival the performance of the 1000 ZXL! WOW!!!  I read very carefully the steps for doing the ALBE (auto bias, level , eq) which this beauty does for you automatically and then rewind the tape to 0000 ready for you to begin recording!  and let me tell you the recording it makes is simply out of this world!  in fact the recording sounded better than the source!!!  I HAVE NEVER!!!!!! COME ACROSS ANY TAPE DECK THAT HAS DONE THAT!!....PERIOD!

  I brought this machine from a nice guy who had lost interest in expensive gear would just like to listen to a boom box ....uuuuugh!  The tape deck is mint shape not a single scratch! everything work perfect! except for that at ZX setting and trying to auto calibrate a TDK 90 MA metal tape the tape deck dont sucessfully calibrate like it does in regard of TDK SA, SA-X, Maxell x-II  and x-II 2S . I tried another TDK MA 90 and still the auto cal flashes which the manual says is an indication that auto cal was not sucessul!  If any kind soul! knows why it is not auto calibrating the TDK  Metal tape and what to do about it , then this kind help and advice will me much appreciated by me!

  Thanks!

  With Best Regards!
  Ali 


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From flifton at mac.com  Mon Oct 25 22:47:28 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:47:28 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Graphic dirty photo
Message-ID: <1563DBD4-26C7-11D9-BB41-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

I thought the list members would get a kick out of this photo 
(http://homepage.mac.com/flifton/PhotoAlbum4.html). It's from an Alpine 
car deck I bought on ebay. The seller had taken it to a local shop for 
cleaning and service, to the tune of $150. This is the condition they 
returned it to him in. Scary eh?
Happy Halloween,
Fred

(PS, I sent the deck back to him and got my money back, so there's a 
happy ending to this cautionary tale.)



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Oct 26 00:09:17 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:09:17 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D703@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Ok here's how you adjust the speed of your ZX7. To begin with this model is
not the direct drive version so it used the DC motor with the speed
adjustment at the back of the motor via a small hole at the back so that you
can poke your tiny screwdriver in and adjust the speed. Now if you have a
speed calibration tape and a frequency counter you are set, if you do not
have these pieces of equipment then you can make your own calibration tape.
To make your own calibration tape you will need a machine (your Onkyo) with
the correct speed and a computer with a software package that can generate
the 3 KHz sine wave test tone. I recommend using Steinberg's Wave lab 4.0 to
generate the tone, or you can use a genuine frequency generator. Record the
3 KHz test tone on a good blank tape with no Dolby for around 5 - 10
minutes. Playback the tape in your ZX7 and using a frequency counter adjust
the speed until it reads 3 KHz on the screen. 
 
    Now Dick if you cannot get hold of any of this equipment you can do it
all by ear. Grab hold of a recording that you know very well and play it
back on your ZX7, adjust the motor speed by adjusting the pot inside the
motor via the tiny hole until the speed of the playback material sounds spot
on. Make comparisons between your Onkyo and the ZX7 until your ears accept
the speed at which the material is being played back at. I did this once on
a Kenwood deck I used to own before I had any test gear and it worked pretty
well.
    
    Let me know how you go with the adjustment and contact me if you need
and further assistance.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick van den Berg [mailto:dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 3:42
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7


Hello,
 
Last week I bought a mint Nakamichi ZX 7. Everything works perfectly, except
for the speed of the tape.
When I listened to some tapes that I had recorded on my old deck ( Onkyo ) I
heard that the music and speech were far too fast ( and having a high pitch
).
The ZX 7 plays a Maxell C 90 in 42 minutes ( one side ofcourse ). My Onkyo
takes 48 minutes.  Is there anybody who knows how to adjust the speed of the
ZX 7.
I would be very grateful for your help.
Thank you.
 
Dick van den Berg

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Oct 26 00:32:20 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:32:20 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX
	tape setting with TDK MA 90
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D704@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Ali. I don't have a copy of the 700ZXL manual but I'm looking at the
1000ZXL and states that it can use the metal tapes, so I'm guessing that the
700 ZXL will do the same. The 1000ZXL will calibrate to metal tape when the
bias switch is set to normal and the eq is set to 70us. Does the 700ZXL have
similar buttons?
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com [mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 4:26
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX tape
setting with TDK MA 90


Hi Fellow Nak!   First like to thank dear Wouter for sending PDF manual for
this beautiful tape deck  which by the way was more expensive! the the
dragon!  suggested retail  $3000 for the 700 ZXL and $2200 for the Dragon, I
also have a Dragon by the way!
 The manual for the 700 ZXL  says that it will rival the performance of the
1000 ZXL! WOW!!!  I read very carefully the steps for doing the ALBE (auto
bias, level , eq) which this beauty does for you automatically and then
rewind the tape to 0000 ready for you to begin recording!  and let me tell
you the recording it makes is simply out of this world!  in fact the
recording sounded better than the source!!!  I HAVE NEVER!!!!!! COME ACROSS
ANY TAPE DECK THAT HAS DONE THAT!!....PERIOD!
 
I brought this machine from a nice guy who had lost interest in expensive
gear would just like to listen to a boom box ....uuuuugh!  The tape deck is
mint shape not a single scratch! everything work perfect! except for that at
ZX setting and trying to auto calibrate a TDK 90 MA metal tape the tape deck
dont sucessfully calibrate like it does in regard of TDK SA, SA-X, Maxell
x-II  and x-II 2S . I tried another TDK MA 90 and still the auto cal flashes
which the manual says is an indication that auto cal was not sucessul!  If
any kind soul! knows why it is not auto calibrating the TDK  Metal tape and
what to do about it , then this kind help and advice will me much
appreciated by me!
 
Thanks!
 
With Best Regards!
Ali 

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 26 01:25:37 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:25:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Graphic dirty photo
In-Reply-To: <1563DBD4-26C7-11D9-BB41-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c4bae9$eefe3540$e89e4c51@oemcomputer>

Amazing!   If that was a restaurant the health inspectors would close it
down!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Fred Lifton
> Sent: 25 October 2004 21:47
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Graphic dirty photo
>
>
> I thought the list members would get a kick out of this photo
> (http://homepage.mac.com/flifton/PhotoAlbum4.html). It's from an Alpine
> car deck I bought on ebay. The seller had taken it to a local shop for
> cleaning and service, to the tune of $150. This is the condition they
> returned it to him in. Scary eh?
> Happy Halloween,
> Fred
>
> (PS, I sent the deck back to him and got my money back, so there's a
> happy ending to this cautionary tale.)
>
>
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Tue Oct 26 03:06:30 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:06:30 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX
	tape settin...
Message-ID: <127.4e0919df.2eaefd16@aol.com>

Hi Tom , The manul says that if you use the TDK MA metal tape you should  
move the tape selector switch to ZX position and 70 uS setting , this was done by 
me but no luck, the auto cal display shows the bias, level and eq lights 
flashing within the display which mean that the auto calibration for the TDK  MA 
C-90 was not sucessful.  If it were sucessful these light would stay lit and 
will not flash the tape will rewind to 0000 and the machine will be in stand by 
rec mode ready to  begin recording at a moment notice!  When the tape switch 
is move to SX setting and a TDK SA or SA-x , or Maxell X-II or X IIs tape 
intalled the machine does auto calibration very sucessfully just as the manual 
mentions!   Wish it would do the same with the metal tape! if you can shed any 
light as to why?!! its not doing so! will be much appreciated! and any advice on 
how  to  to  fix this problem , will be much appreciated!

Thanks!

Ali
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From compu_dude at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 26 07:28:04 2004
From: compu_dude at earthlink.net (Compudude)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:28:04 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX
	tapesetting with TDK MA 90
References: <111.3b44bd90.2eae9f1d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006201c4bb1c$9936cb80$2402a8c0@WorkGroup>

Ouch! I am afraid this could be the famous "orange-cap disease"! It happened to my 700ZXE couple years ago. Initially, it was able to calibrate for any tape. After couple years of use ZX setting started to fail. I did not have time to deal with it, then after some time the SX calibration started to fail as well. Eventually when the EX started to fail, I was forced to do something about it! On naktalk it was diagnosed as the orange-cap disease. You can probably find all the info if you search the archives, but in short two caps (orange) in the bias circuit were dead. After replacing them the ZXE become fully functional again. The theory is that the ZX setting has the highest current, therefore it fails first.

I can e-mail you some pictures of the bias oscillator board which I took when I did the repairs.
Although ZXL has more features, the auto-calibration part should be identical to ZXE's.

First try to make sure that the tape selector and other switches are clean, because they may cause this problem as well.

Good luck,
_Fuad
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BOEING747600 at aol.com 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:25 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX tapesetting with TDK MA 90


  Hi Fellow Nak!   First like to thank dear Wouter for sending PDF manual for this beautiful tape deck  which by the way was more expensive! the the dragon!  suggested retail  $3000 for the 700 ZXL and $2200 for the Dragon, I also have a Dragon by the way!
   The manual for the 700 ZXL  says that it will rival the performance of the 1000 ZXL! WOW!!!  I read very carefully the steps for doing the ALBE (auto bias, level , eq) which this beauty does for you automatically and then rewind the tape to 0000 ready for you to begin recording!  and let me tell you the recording it makes is simply out of this world!  in fact the recording sounded better than the source!!!  I HAVE NEVER!!!!!! COME ACROSS ANY TAPE DECK THAT HAS DONE THAT!!....PERIOD!

  I brought this machine from a nice guy who had lost interest in expensive gear would just like to listen to a boom box ....uuuuugh!  The tape deck is mint shape not a single scratch! everything work perfect! except for that at ZX setting and trying to auto calibrate a TDK 90 MA metal tape the tape deck dont sucessfully calibrate like it does in regard of TDK SA, SA-X, Maxell x-II  and x-II 2S . I tried another TDK MA 90 and still the auto cal flashes which the manual says is an indication that auto cal was not sucessul!  If any kind soul! knows why it is not auto calibrating the TDK  Metal tape and what to do about it , then this kind help and advice will me much appreciated by me!

  Thanks!

  With Best Regards!
  Ali 


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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Tue Oct 26 11:59:25 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:59:25 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX
	tapesetting...
Message-ID: <a0.1a5f7f8a.2eaf79fd@aol.com>

Dear Faud,  Yes please! by all means do send the pic of the location of these 
orange capacitors that you replaced in your 700 ZXE yes you are right they 
decks must be indentical except for zxl having more features probably in that 
RAMM feature,  I dont have the service manual unfortunately for this machine , 
maybe wouter can help? he has been so kind in sending the operating manual for 
which I am very grateful to him!! . The tape selector moves very positively 
but I will clean it as you suggested but I really think that the prob is in bias 
caps you mentioned. Thank you so much for your kind help! and I look foward 
to receive the pic of the board where these caps are and would like to know the 
value of the cap and the voltage rating and any other kind suggestion wether 
I should replace the cap  that are in the SX and EX bias setting while i 
replace the one for the ZX setting in the bias circuit. Thanks Again!

With Best Regards!
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Oct 26 18:35:55 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:35:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at
	ZXtapesetting...
References: <a0.1a5f7f8a.2eaf79fd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c4bb79$e00dbc50$48773242@CopyTech>

First, the orange cap disease, then the eprom, then ... well you got the idea now. Sorry to tell you but that's the cruel reality of the ZXL world. As long as she doesn't break any key non-existent part, you are save. Fortunately, they seldom broke the playback capabilities ... recording... that's their weakness.

On the other hand they are difficult to beat, even by the newer models including the Dragon. Yes, she was more expensive but it was simply because of the year she was produced. In later years Nakamichi, as well as other manufacturers, were abale to put better and more advance electronics in much smaller space and for half the price: CR-7, ZX-9 & Dragon are just examples.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BOEING747600 at aol.com 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZXtapesetting...


  Dear Faud,  Yes please! by all means do send the pic of the location of these orange capacitors that you replaced in your 700 ZXE yes you are right they decks must be indentical except for zxl having more features probably in that RAMM feature,  I dont have the service manual unfortunately for this machine , maybe wouter can help? he has been so kind in sending the operating manual for which I am very grateful to him!! . The tape selector moves very positively but I will clean it as you suggested but I really think that the prob is in bias caps you mentioned. Thank you so much for your kind help! and I look foward to receive the pic of the board where these caps are and would like to know the value of the cap and the voltage rating and any other kind suggestion wether I should replace the cap  that are in the SX and EX bias setting while i replace the one for the ZX setting in the bias circuit. Thanks Again!

  With Best Regards!
  Ali


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From herbchong at compuserve.com  Tue Oct 26 12:46:08 2004
From: herbchong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:46:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZXtape
	settin...
References: <127.4e0919df.2eaefd16@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901c4bb49$00952e80$0200a8c0@tower1>

your 700ZXL is out of calibration. it should handle metal tape no problem
with 70uS and ZX settings. that is what those are designed for.

Herb...
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From: <BOEING747600 at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at
ZXtape settin...


>Wish it would do the same with the metal tape! if you can shed any
> light as to why?!! its not doing so! will be much appreciated! and any
advice on
> how  to  to  fix this problem , will be much appreciated!




From dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl  Tue Oct 26 17:10:01 2004
From: dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl (Dick van den Berg)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:10:01 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D703@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001e01c4bb6d$dde10ec0$4cd99d52@sheep>

Hello Tom,

Thank you very much for your help and advice. I would never have discovered the tiny hole at the back of the motor! Personally I expected a small " trim pot "somewhere on a print.
When I have time ( next weekend ) I will try to get the job done. I think I have to take the last way - by ear - because I have none of the technical things that you mention. But my ears are allright. As soon as I have made the adjustments I will let you know. 
Before I will work on it I want to thank you very much!

Goodbye,

Dick
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Thomas Siomopoulos 
  To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:09 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7


  Ok here's how you adjust the speed of your ZX7. To begin with this model is not the direct drive version so it used the DC motor with the speed adjustment at the back of the motor via a small hole at the back so that you can poke your tiny screwdriver in and adjust the speed. Now if you have a speed calibration tape and a frequency counter you are set, if you do not have these pieces of equipment then you can make your own calibration tape. To make your own calibration tape you will need a machine (your Onkyo) with the correct speed and a computer with a software package that can generate the 3 KHz sine wave test tone. I recommend using Steinberg's Wave lab 4.0 to generate the tone, or you can use a genuine frequency generator. Record the 3 KHz test tone on a good blank tape with no Dolby for around 5 - 10 minutes. Playback the tape in your ZX7 and using a frequency counter adjust the speed until it reads 3 KHz on the screen. 

      Now Dick if you cannot get hold of any of this equipment you can do it all by ear. Grab hold of a recording that you know very well and play it back on your ZX7, adjust the motor speed by adjusting the pot inside the motor via the tiny hole until the speed of the playback material sounds spot on. Make comparisons between your Onkyo and the ZX7 until your ears accept the speed at which the material is being played back at. I did this once on a Kenwood deck I used to own before I had any test gear and it worked pretty well.
      
      Let me know how you go with the adjustment and contact me if you need and further assistance.

      Tom.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Dick van den Berg [mailto:dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl]
    Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 3:42
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7


    Hello,

    Last week I bought a mint Nakamichi ZX 7. Everything works perfectly, except for the speed of the tape.
    When I listened to some tapes that I had recorded on my old deck ( Onkyo ) I heard that the music and speech were far too fast ( and having a high pitch ).
    The ZX 7 plays a Maxell C 90 in 42 minutes ( one side ofcourse ). My Onkyo takes 48 minutes.  Is there anybody who knows how to adjust the speed of the ZX 7.
    I would be very grateful for your help.
    Thank you.

    Dick van den Berg


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From kiawjin at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 19:54:40 2004
From: kiawjin at yahoo.com (KIAW JIN WONG)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:54:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Manual
Message-ID: <20041026175440.72333.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Ron,
I do need a schematic copy of Nak CR7A Service manual
for my deck.

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From dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl  Tue Oct 26 22:54:59 2004
From: dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl (Dick van den Berg)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:54:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D703@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <006301c4bb9e$0e55fe00$4cd99d52@sheep>

Hello Tom,


Tuesdayevening I have opened the Nak and yes - there it was - the little hole that you mentioned! 
With a little screwdriver I have adjusted the speed by comparing a pianoconcerto that I have on CD with a recording on cassette.
It was a rather easy but satisfying job. Without your help I would never have discovered the trimpot on the motor. Thank you very much!

Goodbye

Dick
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Thomas Siomopoulos 
  To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:09 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7


  Ok here's how you adjust the speed of your ZX7. To begin with this model is not the direct drive version so it used the DC motor with the speed adjustment at the back of the motor via a small hole at the back so that you can poke your tiny screwdriver in and adjust the speed. Now if you have a speed calibration tape and a frequency counter you are set, if you do not have these pieces of equipment then you can make your own calibration tape. To make your own calibration tape you will need a machine (your Onkyo) with the correct speed and a computer with a software package that can generate the 3 KHz sine wave test tone. I recommend using Steinberg's Wave lab 4.0 to generate the tone, or you can use a genuine frequency generator. Record the 3 KHz test tone on a good blank tape with no Dolby for around 5 - 10 minutes. Playback the tape in your ZX7 and using a frequency counter adjust the speed until it reads 3 KHz on the screen. 

      Now Dick if you cannot get hold of any of this equipment you can do it all by ear. Grab hold of a recording that you know very well and play it back on your ZX7, adjust the motor speed by adjusting the pot inside the motor via the tiny hole until the speed of the playback material sounds spot on. Make comparisons between your Onkyo and the ZX7 until your ears accept the speed at which the material is being played back at. I did this once on a Kenwood deck I used to own before I had any test gear and it worked pretty well.
      
      Let me know how you go with the adjustment and contact me if you need and further assistance.

      Tom.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Dick van den Berg [mailto:dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl]
    Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 3:42
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7


    Hello,

    Last week I bought a mint Nakamichi ZX 7. Everything works perfectly, except for the speed of the tape.
    When I listened to some tapes that I had recorded on my old deck ( Onkyo ) I heard that the music and speech were far too fast ( and having a high pitch ).
    The ZX 7 plays a Maxell C 90 in 42 minutes ( one side ofcourse ). My Onkyo takes 48 minutes.  Is there anybody who knows how to adjust the speed of the ZX 7.
    I would be very grateful for your help.
    Thank you.

    Dick van den Berg


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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Oct 26 23:23:30 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:23:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal
	at	ZXtapesetting...
In-Reply-To: <002b01c4bb79$e00dbc50$48773242@CopyTech>
References: <a0.1a5f7f8a.2eaf79fd@aol.com>
	<002b01c4bb79$e00dbc50$48773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <417EC052.2030307@xs4all.nl>

To my opinion ALL Naks are sensitive on the recording part.
I bought mint decks that sooner or later got problems recording (or 
calibrating) and in most cases this was due to orange caps or similar 
easy to cure problems, at least bu a good technician.
I own a 1000ZXL, have a friend who owns both ZXL's, have another friend 
who owned 2 1000ZXL's and now owns a 1000ZXL LTD, another friend owns a 
700ZXL, all in working order or after being cured from orange disease or 
similiar easy curable diseases.
The complex part on these ZXL decks are indeed the electronics, i've 
been told by someone who can repair them that today these could fit a 
single chip, so imagine....
A lot of problems with all 1000 and 700 decks (and some others) are also 
due to the plugin-board design, their contacts can get corrosion. I know 
of a friends 700ZXL losing one channel sometimes... it appeared a board 
moved slightly while switching the source/tape switch and causign the 
contact to fail...

Seems like someone mentioned earlier the bias on your deck could be the 
problem, so orange caps... My 1000ZXL had something similar when i got it.

Enjoy your 700ZXL, i hope to find one to match my 1000ZXL sometime too!

Wouter

El Magnifico wrote:

> First, the orange cap disease, then the eprom, then ... well you got 
> the idea now. Sorry to tell you but that's the cruel reality of the 
> ZXL world. As long as she doesn't break any key non-existent part, you 
> are save. Fortunately, they seldom broke the playback capabilities ... 
> recording... that's their weakness.
>  
> On the other hand they are difficult to beat, even by the newer models 
> including the Dragon. Yes, she was more expensive but it was simply 
> because of the year she was produced. In later years Nakamichi, as 
> well as other manufacturers, were abale to put better and more advance 
> electronics in much smaller space and for half the price: CR-7, ZX-9 & 
> Dragon are just examples.
>  
> Carlos
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* BOEING747600 at aol.com <mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com>
>     *To:* naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:59 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto
>     cal at ZXtapesetting...
>
>     Dear Faud,  Yes please! by all means do send the pic of the
>     location of these orange capacitors that you replaced in your 700
>     ZXE yes you are right they decks must be indentical except for zxl
>     having more features probably in that RAMM feature,  I dont have
>     the service manual unfortunately for this machine , maybe wouter
>     can help? he has been so kind in sending the operating manual for
>     which I am very grateful to him!! . The tape selector moves very
>     positively but I will clean it as you suggested but I really think
>     that the prob is in bias caps you mentioned. Thank you so much for
>     your kind help! and I look foward to receive the pic of the board
>     where these caps are and would like to know the value of the cap
>     and the voltage rating and any other kind suggestion wether I
>     should replace the cap  that are in the SX and EX bias setting
>     while i replace the one for the ZX setting in the bias circuit.
>     Thanks Again!
>      
>     With Best Regards!
>     Ali
>



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Oct 26 23:58:14 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:58:14 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D705@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Anytime Dick, you're welcome.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick van den Berg [mailto:dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 2004 6:55
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7


Hello Tom,
 
 
Tuesdayevening I have opened the Nak and yes - there it was - the little
hole that you mentioned! 
With a little screwdriver I have adjusted the speed by comparing a
pianoconcerto that I have on CD with a recording on cassette.
It was a rather easy but satisfying job. Without your help I would never
have discovered the trimpot on the motor. Thank you very much!
 
Goodbye
 
Dick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>  
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>  
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:09 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7

Ok here's how you adjust the speed of your ZX7. To begin with this model is
not the direct drive version so it used the DC motor with the speed
adjustment at the back of the motor via a small hole at the back so that you
can poke your tiny screwdriver in and adjust the speed. Now if you have a
speed calibration tape and a frequency counter you are set, if you do not
have these pieces of equipment then you can make your own calibration tape.
To make your own calibration tape you will need a machine (your Onkyo) with
the correct speed and a computer with a software package that can generate
the 3 KHz sine wave test tone. I recommend using Steinberg's Wave lab 4.0 to
generate the tone, or you can use a genuine frequency generator. Record the
3 KHz test tone on a good blank tape with no Dolby for around 5 - 10
minutes. Playback the tape in your ZX7 and using a frequency counter adjust
the speed until it reads 3 KHz on the screen. 
 
    Now Dick if you cannot get hold of any of this equipment you can do it
all by ear. Grab hold of a recording that you know very well and play it
back on your ZX7, adjust the motor speed by adjusting the pot inside the
motor via the tiny hole until the speed of the playback material sounds spot
on. Make comparisons between your Onkyo and the ZX7 until your ears accept
the speed at which the material is being played back at. I did this once on
a Kenwood deck I used to own before I had any test gear and it worked pretty
well.
    
    Let me know how you go with the adjustment and contact me if you need
and further assistance.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick van den Berg [mailto:dick.v.den.berg at wanadoo.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 3:42
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Speed adjustment ZX 7


Hello,
 
Last week I bought a mint Nakamichi ZX 7. Everything works perfectly, except
for the speed of the tape.
When I listened to some tapes that I had recorded on my old deck ( Onkyo ) I
heard that the music and speech were far too fast ( and having a high pitch
).
The ZX 7 plays a Maxell C 90 in 42 minutes ( one side ofcourse ). My Onkyo
takes 48 minutes.  Is there anybody who knows how to adjust the speed of the
ZX 7.
I would be very grateful for your help.
Thank you.
 
Dick van den Berg



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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Oct 27 00:03:16 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:03:16 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX
	tape settin...
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D707@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Ali, go with what the other guys have said, it makes sense that it is the
orange cap disease. I've been hit with this disease too in my ZX9, rotten
little orange things!
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com [mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 11:07
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto cal at ZX
tape settin...


Hi Tom , The manul says that if you use the TDK MA metal tape you should
move the tape selector switch to ZX position and 70 uS setting , this was
done by me but no luck, the auto cal display shows the bias, level and eq
lights flashing within the display which mean that the auto calibration for
the TDK  MA C-90 was not sucessful.  If it were sucessful these light would
stay lit and will not flash the tape will rewind to 0000 and the machine
will be in stand by rec mode ready to  begin recording at a moment notice!
When the tape switch is move to SX setting and a TDK SA or SA-x , or Maxell
X-II or X IIs tape intalled the machine does auto calibration very
sucessfully just as the manual mentions!   Wish it would do the same with
the metal tape! if you can shed any light as to why?!! its not doing so!
will be much appreciated! and any advice on how  to  to  fix this problem ,
will be much appreciated!
 
Thanks!
 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Oct 27 04:10:59 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:10:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot auto
	calat	ZXtapesetting...
References: <a0.1a5f7f8a.2eaf79fd@aol.com><002b01c4bb79$e00dbc50$48773242@CopyTech>
	<417EC052.2030307@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <002101c4bbca$35446840$30773242@CopyTech>


> The complex part on these ZXL decks are indeed the electronics, i've
> been told by someone who can repair them that today these could fit a 
> single chip, so imagine....

This is exactly where the problem is; these decks has a lot of parts that 
goes wrong with time. Unfortunately, the eproms are no longer available and 
when that brokes there goes your aligning and able thing. Nice beauties 
these monsters are and nice price tags too when you need to refurbish them. 
Did I mention that Jeff quoted me $1,700 to refurbish my 1000 ZXL ? Her 
eprom went bad and after a couple of months Stephen found 4 in England: the 
remaining 4 ... Price: ridiculous. After several attempts going back and 
forth to New Mexico and spending a fortune in shipping, I threw the towel 
...

I think it was bad luck, with both ZXL's, but I'm sorry: I wouldn't try 
again. I'm happy for those who can still enjoy those units. Unfortunately, 
I'm not one of them.

Carlos


From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 27 03:36:39 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:36:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] (Off Topic) Tandberg 3014A calibration question.
Message-ID: <20041027013639.14849.qmail@web40624.mail.yahoo.com>

I am in the process of aquiring a Tandberg 3014A to
add to my collection,i was told by another site that
this deck is factory calibrated for Maxell tapes,is
this true?Thanks Keith H..   


		
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Oct 27 19:53:43 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:53:43 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] (Off Topic) Tandberg 3014A calibration question.
References: <20041027013639.14849.qmail@web40624.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c4bc4d$e6bc2490$69773242@CopyTech>

No, it isn't. You have to calibrate it yourself for each tape you are gonna 
use. It is simple and fast.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Hugo" <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:36 PM
Subject: [naktalk] (Off Topic) Tandberg 3014A calibration question.


>I am in the process of aquiring a Tandberg 3014A to
> add to my collection,i was told by another site that
> this deck is factory calibrated for Maxell tapes,is
> this true?Thanks Keith H..
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct 28 11:14:54 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:14:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
References: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <001901c4bcce$9756f5c0$52773242@CopyTech>

Hello Fellows:

If you or anyone you know is looking for a famous Technics 1700 reel to reel (top of the line), please let me know. It is in beautiful condition with rosewood panels, original Technics logo empty reels (2), original Technics NAB adaptors, cover and original manual. This machine is autoreverse with 3 speeds (3 3/4 - 15 ips) and the heads has little wear. 1/4 track.  It's big and heavy and my wife stop likening her. So, with big sorrow I have to let her go.

Contact me off list. It's not cheap and the shipping cost could be high. Serious inquires only. Original Retail Price: $2,000.00+

Sorry for the rant and thanks for the attention.

Carlos "The Tape Man"
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From miroslavt at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 27 10:26:34 2004
From: miroslavt at hotmail.com (Miroslav Tkachenko)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:26:34 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200 opinion?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F15PhvXV6w3Mtt00025fd3@hotmail.com>

Hi all,
What is the differences between TD-1200 and TD-1200II.? I am happy owner of 
TD-700 but now up to installation in a new car and tempted to get TD-1200. 
It has great unusual looks and NAAC system. There are no reviews on the net 
but somewhere I so opinion that it can make mechanical problems and TD-700 
in this respect is more reliable. Is there someone in this group who had/has 
TD-1200 in actual car use?


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Oct 27 13:05:31 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:05:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
	autocalat	ZXtapesetting...
References: <a0.1a5f7f8a.2eaf79fd@aol.com><002b01c4bb79$e00dbc50$48773242@CopyTech><417EC052.2030307@xs4all.nl>
	<002101c4bbca$35446840$30773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000a01c4bc14$e083ac30$8eb30642@john1patlmckrl>

Carlos

I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't burn 
copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot autocalat 
ZXtapesetting...


>
>> The complex part on these ZXL decks are indeed the electronics, i've
>> been told by someone who can repair them that today these could fit a 
>> single chip, so imagine....
>
> This is exactly where the problem is; these decks has a lot of parts that 
> goes wrong with time. Unfortunately, the eproms are no longer available 
> and when that brokes there goes your aligning and able thing. Nice 
> beauties these monsters are and nice price tags too when you need to 
> refurbish them. Did I mention that Jeff quoted me $1,700 to refurbish my 
> 1000 ZXL ? Her eprom went bad and after a couple of months Stephen found 4 
> in England: the remaining 4 ... Price: ridiculous. After several attempts 
> going back and forth to New Mexico and spending a fortune in shipping, I 
> threw the towel ...
>
> I think it was bad luck, with both ZXL's, but I'm sorry: I wouldn't try 
> again. I'm happy for those who can still enjoy those units. Unfortunately, 
> I'm not one of them.
>
> Carlos
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 28 09:20:56 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:20:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
References: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<001901c4bcce$9756f5c0$52773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV14S2TRqf690000bb7e@hotmail.com>

Carlitos!!!

Fijate en "Audiogon" (Varios), alla hay un 1500 en venta!

Saludos,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:14 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


  Hello Fellows:

  If you or anyone you know is looking for a famous Technics 1700 reel to reel (top of the line), please let me know. It is in beautiful condition with rosewood panels, original Technics logo empty reels (2), original Technics NAB adaptors, cover and original manual. This machine is autoreverse with 3 speeds (3 3/4 - 15 ips) and the heads has little wear. 1/4 track.  It's big and heavy and my wife stop likening her. So, with big sorrow I have to let her go.

  Contact me off list. It's not cheap and the shipping cost could be high. Serious inquires only. Original Retail Price: $2,000.00+

  Sorry for the rant and thanks for the attention.

  Carlos "The Tape Man"


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From ti at amb.org  Thu Oct 28 10:08:28 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:08:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4bc14$e083ac30$8eb30642@john1patlmckrl> from "John M.
	Tooley" at Oct 27, 2004 07:05:31 AM
Message-ID: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org>

John M. Tooley writes:
> Carlos
> 
> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't burn 
> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> 
> John T.

If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's the
problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.

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From roleo at telus.net  Thu Oct 28 09:49:55 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:49:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
References: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<001901c4bcce$9756f5c0$52773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001f01c4bcc2$b74cfd90$6501a8c0@LAPTOP>

Carlos,

The Technicss 1700 is a deck I have been wanting for a long time.  Please let me know what you are asking for it.  I currently am selling on of my reel decks (TEAC X-2000M) to a buyer in Singapore, and believe it or not, he's paying to have it shipped by air express!  You can imagine the tab.  I doubt if shipping will be that bad from PR to here.

Anyway, if I buy this I'll also let my X-2000R go.

Let me know please.

Thanx,
Roland Alford
Vancouver, Canada
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:14 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


  Hello Fellows:

  If you or anyone you know is looking for a famous Technics 1700 reel to reel (top of the line), please let me know. It is in beautiful condition with rosewood panels, original Technics logo empty reels (2), original Technics NAB adaptors, cover and original manual. This machine is autoreverse with 3 speeds (3 3/4 - 15 ips) and the heads has little wear. 1/4 track.  It's big and heavy and my wife stop likening her. So, with big sorrow I have to let her go.

  Contact me off list. It's not cheap and the shipping cost could be high. Serious inquires only. Original Retail Price: $2,000.00+

  Sorry for the rant and thanks for the attention.

  Carlos "The Tape Man"


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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 12:06:15 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:06:15 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
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Hi Carlos,   How much are you asking for it?! Is it auto reverse play and 
record?  15 ips record speed?!  Please let me know!  Thanks!

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From timbarrett at cox.net  Thu Oct 28 13:35:44 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:35:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200 opinion?
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F15PhvXV6w3Mtt00025fd3@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY1-F15PhvXV6w3Mtt00025fd3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4180D990.6030008@cox.net>

Miroslav Tkachenko wrote:

> Hi all,
> What is the differences between TD-1200 and TD-1200II.? I am happy 
> owner of TD-700 but now up to installation in a new car and tempted to 
> get TD-1200. It has great unusual looks and NAAC system. There are no 
> reviews on the net but somewhere I so opinion that it can make 
> mechanical problems and TD-700 in this respect is more reliable. Is 
> there someone in this group who had/has TD-1200 in actual car use?
>
>
> Best regards,
> Miroslav Tkachenko
>
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Hi Miraslov -

I've got a TD-1200 in use in one of my cars.  It's one that I had in 
storage for many years and just put back in service about 8 months ago, 
so far it's not had any problems.  The NAAC system works very well, the 
FM is ok but not spectacular.  I've got an XM satellite tuner patched in 
place of the AM.  Sure wish it had a clock on the display!

I've never owned a TD-1200II and don't recall what the difference is. 

Regards,
Tim Barrett



From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct 28 20:03:15 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:03:15 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL
	donotautocalat	ZXtapesetting...
References: <a0.1a5f7f8a.2eaf79fd@aol.com><002b01c4bb79$e00dbc50$48773242@CopyTech><417EC052.2030307@xs4all.nl><002101c4bbca$35446840$30773242@CopyTech>
	<000a01c4bc14$e083ac30$8eb30642@john1patlmckrl>
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Yeah, I know ... Maybe I was a victim of bad luck ! Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donotautocalat 
ZXtapesetting...


> Carlos
>
> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't burn 
> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot autocalat 
> ZXtapesetting...
>
>
>>
>>> The complex part on these ZXL decks are indeed the electronics, i've
>>> been told by someone who can repair them that today these could fit a 
>>> single chip, so imagine....
>>
>> This is exactly where the problem is; these decks has a lot of parts that 
>> goes wrong with time. Unfortunately, the eproms are no longer available 
>> and when that brokes there goes your aligning and able thing. Nice 
>> beauties these monsters are and nice price tags too when you need to 
>> refurbish them. Did I mention that Jeff quoted me $1,700 to refurbish my 
>> 1000 ZXL ? Her eprom went bad and after a couple of months Stephen found 
>> 4 in England: the remaining 4 ... Price: ridiculous. After several 
>> attempts going back and forth to New Mexico and spending a fortune in 
>> shipping, I threw the towel ...
>>
>> I think it was bad luck, with both ZXL's, but I'm sorry: I wouldn't try 
>> again. I'm happy for those who can still enjoy those units. 
>> Unfortunately, I'm not one of them.
>>
>> Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct 28 20:04:17 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:04:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
References: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><001901c4bcce$9756f5c0$52773242@CopyTech>
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Message-ID: <002301c4bd18$8b4b01f0$22773242@CopyTech>

Si Alex, pero la 1500 es un Mickey Mouse al lado de la 1700 y mucho más económica. Bueno, quien sabe. Quizás no tenga que venderla ...

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alex Cozac 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


  Carlitos!!!

  Fijate en "Audiogon" (Varios), alla hay un 1500 en venta!

  Saludos,

  ALEX!
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: El Magnifico 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:14 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


    Hello Fellows:

    If you or anyone you know is looking for a famous Technics 1700 reel to reel (top of the line), please let me know. It is in beautiful condition with rosewood panels, original Technics logo empty reels (2), original Technics NAB adaptors, cover and original manual. This machine is autoreverse with 3 speeds (3 3/4 - 15 ips) and the heads has little wear. 1/4 track.  It's big and heavy and my wife stop likening her. So, with big sorrow I have to let her go.

    Contact me off list. It's not cheap and the shipping cost could be high. Serious inquires only. Original Retail Price: $2,000.00+

    Sorry for the rant and thanks for the attention.

    Carlos "The Tape Man"


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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct 28 20:05:13 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:05:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
References: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <002a01c4bd18$ac42f2f0$22773242@CopyTech>

Exactly.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot


> John M. Tooley writes:
>> Carlos
>>
>> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't burn
>> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
>>
>> John T.
>
> If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's the
> problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
>
> -Ti
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct 28 20:06:11 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:06:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
References: <1c0.200b653d.2eb21e97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001c4bd18$cef8e7a0$22773242@CopyTech>

Yes my friend. It is the top of the line in pristine conditions. I'm trying not to sell it , but I'll kindly let you know.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:06 AM
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  Hi Carlos,   How much are you asking for it?! Is it auto reverse play and record?  15 ips record speed?!  Please let me know!  Thanks!

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From timbarrett at cox.net  Thu Oct 28 17:05:19 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:05:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
In-Reply-To: <001901c4bcce$9756f5c0$52773242@CopyTech>
References: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
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Message-ID: <41810AAF.8040202@cox.net>

El Magnifico wrote:

> Hello Fellows:
>  
> If you or anyone you know is looking for a famous Technics 1700 reel 
> to reel (top of the line), please let me know. It is in beautiful 
> condition with rosewood panels, original Technics logo empty reels 
> (2), original Technics NAB adaptors, cover and original manual. This 
> machine is autoreverse with 3 speeds (3 3/4 - 15 ips) and the heads 
> has little wear. 1/4 track.  It's big and heavy and my wife stop 
> likening her. So, with big sorrow I have to let her go.
>  
> Contact me off list. It's not cheap and the shipping cost could be 
> high. Serious inquires only. Original Retail Price: $2,000.00+
>  
> Sorry for the rant and thanks for the attention.
>  
> Carlos "The Tape Man"
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Carlos - just because your wife doesn't like the Technics anymore is not 
a good enough reason to get rid of her.  Good wives are truly hard to find.

Tim




From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Oct 28 20:29:11 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:29:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
References: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><001901c4bcce$9756f5c0$52773242@CopyTech>
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Message-ID: <001701c4bd1c$05e84aa0$22773242@CopyTech>

Ha ! Thanks for your support !

Carlos


>>
> Carlos - just because your wife doesn't like the Technics anymore is not a 
> good enough reason to get rid of her.  Good wives are truly hard to find.
>
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 28 17:38:48 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:38:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200 opinion?
In-Reply-To: <4180D990.6030008@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20041028153848.73378.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com>

Myself and two friends all had TD-1200's in their cars.  One
developed a clicking during play because of a cracked drive gear. 
That was about $50 for the part.  Mine for the most part was Ok
except for the occasional wierdness and the other was fine for many
years then went south.  I has a TD-500 (TD-700 without dual capstans)
before the TD-1200 and prefered that deck.  It went in for warranty
repair within the first 6 months and they replaced the mechanism.  It
then worked flawlessly for many years.  Another friend has a TD-700
that started acting up after 3-4 years.  That was traced down to the
infamous brown glue shorting out the tape-up reel sensor.  The tuner
on the TD-1200 is MUCH better than the TD-500/700 which is mediocre
at best.  But I still prefer the TD-700 over the TD-1200.



  
--- Tim Barrett <timbarrett at cox.net> wrote:

> Miroslav Tkachenko wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > What is the differences between TD-1200 and TD-1200II.? I am
> happy 
> > owner of TD-700 but now up to installation in a new car and
> tempted to 
> > get TD-1200. It has great unusual looks and NAAC system. There
> are no 
> > reviews on the net but somewhere I so opinion that it can make 
> > mechanical problems and TD-700 in this respect is more reliable.
> Is 
> > there someone in this group who had/has TD-1200 in actual car
> use?
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Miroslav Tkachenko
> >
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> Hi Miraslov -
> 
> I've got a TD-1200 in use in one of my cars.  It's one that I had
> in 
> storage for many years and just put back in service about 8 months
> ago, 
> so far it's not had any problems.  The NAAC system works very well,
> the 
> FM is ok but not spectacular.  I've got an XM satellite tuner
> patched in 
> place of the AM.  Sure wish it had a clock on the display!
> 
> I've never owned a TD-1200II and don't recall what the difference
> is. 
> 
> Regards,
> Tim Barrett
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 28 16:13:22 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:13:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Audiogon Wanteds: TECHNICS 1700 Tape Deck
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV2zfoV1qdii000120ee@hotmail.com>


http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/wtb.pl?misccass&1102095443&class&3&4&


Sorry Carlos,

I don't have your directly e-mail, so this my help to you!

Cheers,

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 28 17:04:42 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:04:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
References: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><001901c4bcce$9756f5c0$52773242@CopyTech><BAY18-DAV14S2TRqf690000bb7e@hotmail.com>
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Carlitos!

Vi un anuncio en "Wanted" en (Varios), que busca un 1700 en buen estado, fijate alla y vendeselo...tambien he leido de que Ali, te pregunta cuanto pides por la grabadora!

Buena suerte...
Chau,

ALEX! 
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  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


  Si Alex, pero la 1500 es un Mickey Mouse al lado de la 1700 y mucho más económica. Bueno, quien sabe. Quizás no tenga que venderla ...

  Carlos
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Alex Cozac 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:20 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


    Carlitos!!!

    Fijate en "Audiogon" (Varios), alla hay un 1500 en venta!

    Saludos,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
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      Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:14 AM
      Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


      Hello Fellows:

      If you or anyone you know is looking for a famous Technics 1700 reel to reel (top of the line), please let me know. It is in beautiful condition with rosewood panels, original Technics logo empty reels (2), original Technics NAB adaptors, cover and original manual. This machine is autoreverse with 3 speeds (3 3/4 - 15 ips) and the heads has little wear. 1/4 track.  It's big and heavy and my wife stop likening her. So, with big sorrow I have to let her go.

      Contact me off list. It's not cheap and the shipping cost could be high. Serious inquires only. Original Retail Price: $2,000.00+

      Sorry for the rant and thanks for the attention.

      Carlos "The Tape Man"


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 28 17:07:42 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:07:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700
	ZXLdonotautocalat	ZXtapesetting...
References: <a0.1a5f7f8a.2eaf79fd@aol.com><002b01c4bb79$e00dbc50$48773242@CopyTech><417EC052.2030307@xs4all.nl><002101c4bbca$35446840$30773242@CopyTech><000a01c4bc14$e083ac30$8eb30642@john1patlmckrl>
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NOT...only you...ME also!!!! Away from such "Maligned" machines!!!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXLdonotautocalat 
ZXtapesetting...


> Yeah, I know ... Maybe I was a victim of bad luck ! Ha !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donotautocalat 
> ZXtapesetting...
>
>
>> Carlos
>>
>> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't burn 
>> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
>>
>> John T.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot autocalat 
>> ZXtapesetting...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> The complex part on these ZXL decks are indeed the electronics, i've
>>>> been told by someone who can repair them that today these could fit a 
>>>> single chip, so imagine....
>>>
>>> This is exactly where the problem is; these decks has a lot of parts 
>>> that goes wrong with time. Unfortunately, the eproms are no longer 
>>> available and when that brokes there goes your aligning and able thing. 
>>> Nice beauties these monsters are and nice price tags too when you need 
>>> to refurbish them. Did I mention that Jeff quoted me $1,700 to refurbish 
>>> my 1000 ZXL ? Her eprom went bad and after a couple of months Stephen 
>>> found 4 in England: the remaining 4 ... Price: ridiculous. After several 
>>> attempts going back and forth to New Mexico and spending a fortune in 
>>> shipping, I threw the towel ...
>>>
>>> I think it was bad luck, with both ZXL's, but I'm sorry: I wouldn't try 
>>> again. I'm happy for those who can still enjoy those units. 
>>> Unfortunately, I'm not one of them.
>>>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Oct 28 17:12:08 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:12:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4bd18$ac42f2f0$22773242@CopyTech>
References: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org>
	<002a01c4bd18$ac42f2f0$22773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1098976328.41810c489955e@mail.ce.net>

A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless because of an 
unavailable EPROM, rediculious!

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Exactly.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
> 
> 
> > John M. Tooley writes:
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
> burn
> >> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> >>
> >> John T.
> >
> > If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's
> the
> > problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
> >
> > -Ti
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From AUGUSTO.M.BIZARRA at sargentlundy.com  Thu Oct 28 17:37:56 2004
From: AUGUSTO.M.BIZARRA at sargentlundy.com (AUGUSTO.M.BIZARRA at sargentlundy.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:37:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Shutoff PCB
Message-ID: <OFFEDBA933.1C00C5D5-ON86256F3B.005574B7-85256F3B.0055DD5C@sargentlundy.com>

Need help on where to obtain a replacement shutoff printed circuit board
for a Dragon, or a replacement lamp.

Thanks,
GBZZMAN




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct 28 20:11:54 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:11:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
Message-ID: <000101c4bd19$9b2a76e0$bc884c51@oemcomputer>

I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too - runs for a
few moments and stops.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: 28 October 2004 18:41
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> Guys
>
> Today, my ZX9 will not go forward in Play or fast Forward for
> anything but a few moment before stopping.  I thought it might be
> the tape but, having changed it for another, I have the same
> problem.  Neither or those tapes exhibit the same symptoms when
> played in my Pioneer CTS830S.
>
> Does this sound like a DIY fix for a complete amateur and dull
> head, like me, or does this sound like a job for the guys in
> Bowers & Wilkin?
>
> Regards
>
> Graham
>
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From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Thu Oct 28 20:22:01 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:22:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700
	ZXLdonotautocalat	ZXtapesetting...
In-Reply-To: <001401c4bd18$66816f80$22773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <MEBBIBMDCGHOJOMIGEODEEFDCBAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

Could someone clarify exactly which chips are used for the eproms and what
information is placed on them. I have a number of old and obsolete chips and
am happy to help out if possible.

Doug.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of El Magnifico
Sent: 28 October 2004 19:03
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXLdonotautocalat
ZXtapesetting...


Yeah, I know ... Maybe I was a victim of bad luck ! Ha !

Carlos

-



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct 28 19:41:20 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:41:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] My turn to ask for help!
In-Reply-To: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <000001c4bd15$55f99780$bc884c51@oemcomputer>

Guys

Today, my ZX9 will not go forward in Play or fast Forward for anything but a
few moment before stopping.  I thought it might be the tape but, having
changed it for another, I have the same problem.  Neither or those tapes
exhibit the same symptoms when played in my Pioneer CTS830S.

Does this sound like a DIY fix for a complete amateur and dull head, like
me, or does this sound like a job for the guys in Bowers & Wilkin?

Regards

Graham

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct 28 20:24:27 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:24:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
Message-ID: <000201c4bd1b$5bf89180$bc884c51@oemcomputer>

Aha!  I have ANOTHER clue!  I just noticed the electronic counter is not
move when a tape is put in and not at all when Play, fast forward or rewind
are engaged even though they do run momentarily.

Gra'
>
> I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too -
> runs for a few moments and stops.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> > Sent: 28 October 2004 18:41
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: My turn to ask for help!
> >
> >
> > Guys
> >
> > Today, my ZX9 will not go forward in Play or fast Forward for
> > anything but a few moment before stopping.  I thought it might be
> > the tape but, having changed it for another, I have the same
> > problem.  Neither or those tapes exhibit the same symptoms when
> > played in my Pioneer CTS830S.
> >
> > Does this sound like a DIY fix for a complete amateur and dull
> > head, like me, or does this sound like a job for the guys in
> > Bowers & Wilkin?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Graham
> >
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Oct 28 23:08:59 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:08:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Shutoff PCB
In-Reply-To: <OFFEDBA933.1C00C5D5-ON86256F3B.005574B7-85256F3B.0055DD5C@sargentlund
	y.com>
References: <OFFEDBA933.1C00C5D5-ON86256F3B.005574B7-85256F3B.0055DD5C@sargentlundy.com>
Message-ID: <17713.80.57.197.177.1098997739.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

The lamp is easier to get hold on then the PCB.
Most shops that sell electronic components will have them.

Wouter

> Need help on where to obtain a replacement shutoff printed circuit board
> for a Dragon, or a replacement lamp.
>
> Thanks,
> GBZZMAN
>



From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Oct 28 23:11:11 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:11:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] My turn to ask for help!
In-Reply-To: <000001c4bd15$55f99780$bc884c51@oemcomputer>
References: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org>
	<000001c4bd15$55f99780$bc884c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <13889.80.57.197.177.1098997871.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi Nelson,
Sounds like the auto-shutoff pcb light to me.
That is 2 failing of these in one day!
If you get the replacement light and can hold an soldering iron you can
fix this, or have someone fix it for you :-)

Wouter

> Guys
>
> Today, my ZX9 will not go forward in Play or fast Forward for anything but
> a
> few moment before stopping.  I thought it might be the tape but, having
> changed it for another, I have the same problem.  Neither or those tapes
> exhibit the same symptoms when played in my Pioneer CTS830S.
>
> Does this sound like a DIY fix for a complete amateur and dull head, like
> me, or does this sound like a job for the guys in Bowers & Wilkin?
>
> Regards
>
> Graham
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Fri Oct 29 02:07:18 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:07:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale
References: <001101c4b7d1$4f980ff0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><001901c4bcce$9756f5c0$52773242@CopyTech><BAY18-DAV14S2TRqf690000bb7e@hotmail.com>
	<002301c4bd18$8b4b01f0$22773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <002a01c4bd4b$a33a99a0$2b6723c8@g8nsv>

Carlitos mi amigo.....no lo vendas...es tremendo aparato....el mio tiene en casa 20 años y sigue funcionando maravillosamente....

Isy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


  Si Alex, pero la 1500 es un Mickey Mouse al lado de la 1700 y mucho más económica. Bueno, quien sabe. Quizás no tenga que venderla ...

  Carlos
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Alex Cozac 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:20 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


    Carlitos!!!

    Fijate en "Audiogon" (Varios), alla hay un 1500 en venta!

    Saludos,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: El Magnifico 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:14 AM
      Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel For Sale


      Hello Fellows:

      If you or anyone you know is looking for a famous Technics 1700 reel to reel (top of the line), please let me know. It is in beautiful condition with rosewood panels, original Technics logo empty reels (2), original Technics NAB adaptors, cover and original manual. This machine is autoreverse with 3 speeds (3 3/4 - 15 ips) and the heads has little wear. 1/4 track.  It's big and heavy and my wife stop likening her. So, with big sorrow I have to let her go.

      Contact me off list. It's not cheap and the shipping cost could be high. Serious inquires only. Original Retail Price: $2,000.00+

      Sorry for the rant and thanks for the attention.

      Carlos "The Tape Man"


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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Oct 29 05:22:57 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:22:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Audiogon Wanteds: TECHNICS 1700 Tape Deck
References: <BAY18-DAV2zfoV1qdii000120ee@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c4bd66$97009c50$26773242@CopyTech>

THANKS !


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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:13 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Audiogon Wanteds: TECHNICS 1700 Tape Deck


>
> http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/wtb.pl?misccass&1102095443&class&3&4&
>
>
> Sorry Carlos,
>
> I don't have your directly e-mail, so this my help to you!
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> Cheers,
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Oct 29 03:53:44 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:53:44 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D715@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

What is the model of the EPROM?

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2004 6:08
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot


John M. Tooley writes:
> Carlos
> 
> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't burn 
> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> 
> John T.

If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's the
problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.

-Ti
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From ti at amb.org  Fri Oct 29 04:36:07 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:36:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
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	from "Thomas Siomopoulos" at Oct 29, 2004 11:53:44 AM
Message-ID: <20041029023607.4C04921C9D@smtp.amb.org>

Thomas Siomopoulos writes:
> From: ti at amb.org [mailto:ti at amb.org]
> > John M. Tooley writes:
> > > Carlos
> > > 
> > > I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't burn 
> > > copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> 
> If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's the
> problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
>
> What is the model of the EPROM?

I don't know, someone who has the service manual can look it up.
I suspect it's an obscure Japanese part that has long been
discontinued.

-Ti
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Oct 29 05:11:14 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:11:14 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D716@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Ok here's what I think the problem is. If you are pressing play or FF and
the unit responds and stops after a second then it sounds like the belt that
connects the right (take up reel) hub to the optical sensor wheel. When this
wheel does is permit a split second of light to appear on a optical sensor
and then take the light off and do it all over again, it creates this light
pulse so that the logics of your deck think that the tape is moving. If this
wheel is not moving when the tape is in motion the unit thinks that the tape
has become stuck and immediately goes into stop mode. If the belt is ok then
it might be the small 12 volt lamp that shines the light onto the sensor
that is dead. To check if your lamp is working or not just open your
cassette door and look into the small gap on the right and you should see a
small amount of light, if you cannot see any light then the bulb is dead -
please note that the light should always remains on until you turn off the
power.

	Gra' if you are pressing rewind on your ZX9 without a tape and it
stops then this is a normal operation because the take up reel is not in
motion under these conditions.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 4:12
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!


I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too - runs for a
few moments and stops.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: 28 October 2004 18:41
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> Guys
>
> Today, my ZX9 will not go forward in Play or fast Forward for
> anything but a few moment before stopping.  I thought it might be
> the tape but, having changed it for another, I have the same
> problem.  Neither or those tapes exhibit the same symptoms when
> played in my Pioneer CTS830S.
>
> Does this sound like a DIY fix for a complete amateur and dull
> head, like me, or does this sound like a job for the guys in
> Bowers & Wilkin?
>
> Regards
>
> Graham
>
>
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From warren.king at agric.nsw.gov.au  Fri Oct 29 01:49:09 2004
From: warren.king at agric.nsw.gov.au (warren.king at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:49:09 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] CR5 gear upgrade kit
Message-ID: <OF338E7D52.16FDBCB7-ONCA256F3B.0082AE15@agric.nsw.gov.au>

Does anyone know of a supplier of CR5 gear upgrade kits or am I just 
whistling in the wind?

Thanks in advance, Warren

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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 29 04:08:59 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:08:59 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA-350 service manual
Message-ID: <BAY101-F32YmQz4lDPH00013042@hotmail.com>


Hi,

Does anyone have the service manual for the Nak PA-350 4 channel car amp? Or 
where you can find it? Thanks.

_________________________________________________________________
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Fri Oct 29 03:22:41 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:22:41 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] GOOD NEWs!!PROBLEM OF AUTO CAL SOLVED! 700 ZXL WITHOUT
	CAPS REPLACEMENT!
Message-ID: <80.194e9330.2eb2f561@aol.com>

Hi Guys! and especially to dear Faud,   I was able to fix the problem! 
without restoring! to replacing orange caps in the bias osc circuit for the zx 
setting . The way I went about it using common sense instead of the condemning the 
orange caps outright which I do agree can go bad but the didnt in my machine!  
the problem was in the  zx level gain control moving these potentiometer just 
a wee bit from the reference position locked in  the auto cal  for the zx 
setting which was not taking place i.e. the display lights in the auto cal would 
flash continously which was indication of unsucessful auto cal at zx setting. 
The successful auto cal take place when these lights in the auto cal display  
stop flashing  and the tape is rewound to 0000 counter setting automatically 
by the auto cal system, if this dont take place then the deck computer was not 
able to auto cal that tape setting . 

So now !  all the tape setting i.e ex , sx and zx setting calibrate very 
well. One thing I noticed even if  the tape deck did not auto cal you could still 
record  with little or no loss in quality of recording!!  Also like to mention 
that the 400 Hz tone generator did not read  0dB on the led vu panel but was 
no bars below 0 , again the potentiometer to adjust the output of this tone 
generator was located on the  bias osc board and increasing the pot just a 
little bit brought the level back to exact  0dB reference point.  

So this shows no matter how complex the tapedeck maybe! if you use some 
common sense and dont carried away!!  you can solve the problem instead of 
complaining that its too complex and so on!!!:)    THATS ALL FOLKS!!!! AS THAT BUG 
BUNNY WOULD SAY IN THE CARTOON!!!  LOL

With Best Regards!
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 29 11:38:53 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D716@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12JGWSa1aN00001d86@hotmail.com>

Shalom Tom,

I check as you indicated on my Dragon..and or I don't see it...?, or don't 
exist there, I sow the belt...and the lights of the counter digits? Today my 
Dragon works flawless...no problem at all or maybe a little bit 
"DELAY"...when I turn ON and load a cassette to listen it...takes near 15 
seconds to enter on play...I hear when the "Heads Block" goes "UP"...and the 
machine begins playing music, after that the second cassette the machine 
works instantaneous...NO delay at all.
I can live with that...maybe the solution is to "Turn ON" 15 minutes earlier 
and after so...load a cassette and record or listen!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:11 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!


> Ok here's what I think the problem is. If you are pressing play or FF and
> the unit responds and stops after a second then it sounds like the belt 
> that
> connects the right (take up reel) hub to the optical sensor wheel. When 
> this
> wheel does is permit a split second of light to appear on a optical sensor
> and then take the light off and do it all over again, it creates this 
> light
> pulse so that the logics of your deck think that the tape is moving. If 
> this
> wheel is not moving when the tape is in motion the unit thinks that the 
> tape
> has become stuck and immediately goes into stop mode. If the belt is ok 
> then
> it might be the small 12 volt lamp that shines the light onto the sensor
> that is dead. To check if your lamp is working or not just open your
> cassette door and look into the small gap on the right and you should see 
> a
> small amount of light, if you cannot see any light then the bulb is dead -
> please note that the light should always remains on until you turn off the
> power.
>
> Gra' if you are pressing rewind on your ZX9 without a tape and it
> stops then this is a normal operation because the take up reel is not in
> motion under these conditions.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 4:12
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too - runs for 
> a
> few moments and stops.
>
> Gra'
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
>> Sent: 28 October 2004 18:41
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: My turn to ask for help!
>>
>>
>> Guys
>>
>> Today, my ZX9 will not go forward in Play or fast Forward for
>> anything but a few moment before stopping.  I thought it might be
>> the tape but, having changed it for another, I have the same
>> problem.  Neither or those tapes exhibit the same symptoms when
>> played in my Pioneer CTS830S.
>>
>> Does this sound like a DIY fix for a complete amateur and dull
>> head, like me, or does this sound like a job for the guys in
>> Bowers & Wilkin?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
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From george.valkov at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 12:42:54 2004
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:42:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help! ZX-9
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV12JGWSa1aN00001d86@hotmail.com>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D716@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<BAY18-DAV12JGWSa1aN00001d86@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <518b7b104102903426f7b76b3@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

I appreciate your limitless enthusiasm about your Dragon, but not
every message on this board is about one - this is about a ZX-9
problem, so you don't have to worry.

Rgds
George

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:53 +0200, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Shalom Tom,
> 
> I check as you indicated on my Dragon..and or I don't see it...?, or don't
> exist there, I sow the belt...and the lights of the counter digits? Today my
> Dragon works flawless...no problem at all or maybe a little bit
> "DELAY"...when I turn ON and load a cassette to listen it...takes near 15
> seconds to enter on play...I hear when the "Heads Block" goes "UP"...and the
> machine begins playing music, after that the second cassette the machine
> works instantaneous...NO delay at all.
> I can live with that...maybe the solution is to "Turn ON" 15 minutes earlier
> and after so...load a cassette and record or listen!
> 
> Happy Listening,
> 
> ALEX!


From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 12:34:19 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:34:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] GOOD NEWs!!PROBLEM OF AUTO CAL SOLVED! 700 ZXL
	WITHOUTCAPS REPLACEMENT!
In-Reply-To: <80.194e9330.2eb2f561@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4bda2$d8fe1ba0$099b4c51@oemcomputer>

Well done, Ali!

(Regrettably, I'm all thumbs and no fingers ...)

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of BOEING747600 at aol.com
  Sent: 29 October 2004 02:23
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] GOOD NEWs!!PROBLEM OF AUTO CAL SOLVED! 700 ZXL
WITHOUTCAPS REPLACEMENT!


  Hi Guys! and especially to dear Faud,   I was able to fix the problem!
without restoring! to replacing orange caps in the bias osc circuit for the
zx setting . The way I went about it using common sense instead of the
condemning the orange caps outright which I do agree can go bad but the
didnt in my machine!  the problem was in the  zx level gain control moving
these potentiometer just a wee bit from the reference position locked in
the auto cal  for the zx setting which was not taking place i.e. the display
lights in the auto cal would flash continously which was indication of
unsucessful auto cal at zx setting. The successful auto cal take place when
these lights in the auto cal display  stop flashing  and the tape is rewound
to 0000 counter setting automatically by the auto cal system, if this dont
take place then the deck computer was not able to auto cal that tape setting
.

  So now !  all the tape setting i.e ex , sx and zx setting calibrate very
well. One thing I noticed even if  the tape deck did not auto cal you could
still record  with little or no loss in quality of recording!!  Also like to
mention that the 400 Hz tone generator did not read  0dB on the led vu panel
but was no bars below 0 , again the potentiometer to adjust the output of
this tone generator was located on the  bias osc board and increasing the
pot just a little bit brought the level back to exact  0dB reference point.

  So this shows no matter how complex the tapedeck maybe! if you use some
common sense and dont carried away!!  you can solve the problem instead of
complaining that its too complex and so on!!!:)    THATS ALL FOLKS!!!! AS
THAT BUG BUNNY WOULD SAY IN THE CARTOON!!!  LOL

  With Best Regards!
  Ali
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From enoyes at snet.net  Fri Oct 29 13:24:00 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:24:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
In-Reply-To: <000201c4bd1b$5bf89180$bc884c51@oemcomputer>
References: <000201c4bd1b$5bf89180$bc884c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41822850.7030503@snet.net>

Just a stab in the dark, but it sounds like the belt for the counter may 
be slipping. To be honest, I'm not even sure that the ZX9 even has such 
a belt (and I'll probably never know firsthand either... too rich for my 
blood), but in other Naks such a problem would cause the both the 
counter to not move and the deck to stop due to the fact that it would 
think the tape had stopped moving too. If you feel like taking a look 
under the old bonnet, you would be looking for a thin belt that probably 
goes from the take up hub to the upper right side of the transport 
mechanism. Best of luck with it.

Ed

Nelson wrote:

>Aha!  I have ANOTHER clue!  I just noticed the electronic counter is not
>move when a tape is put in and not at all when Play, fast forward or rewind
>are engaged even though they do run momentarily.
>
>Gra'
>  
>
>>I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too -
>>runs for a few moments and stops.
>>
>>Gra'
>>    
>>
>  
>



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 29 13:50:43 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:50:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help! ZX-9
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D716@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au><BAY18-DAV12JGWSa1aN00001d86@hotmail.com>
	<518b7b104102903426f7b76b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV13MOgRGkQ60000f213@hotmail.com>

Hi George,

Thanks for your cute advice, I was worry IF...my Dragon will have the same 
illness? As I think that both are almost identical.

However you are 100 right, it's Graham ZX-9 problem and NOT a Dragon's one!

Be well,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help! ZX-9


> Alex,
>
> I appreciate your limitless enthusiasm about your Dragon, but not
> every message on this board is about one - this is about a ZX-9
> problem, so you don't have to worry.
>
> Rgds
> George
>
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:53 +0200, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Shalom Tom,
>>
>> I check as you indicated on my Dragon..and or I don't see it...?, or 
>> don't
>> exist there, I sow the belt...and the lights of the counter digits? Today 
>> my
>> Dragon works flawless...no problem at all or maybe a little bit
>> "DELAY"...when I turn ON and load a cassette to listen it...takes near 15
>> seconds to enter on play...I hear when the "Heads Block" goes "UP"...and 
>> the
>> machine begins playing music, after that the second cassette the machine
>> works instantaneous...NO delay at all.
>> I can live with that...maybe the solution is to "Turn ON" 15 minutes 
>> earlier
>> and after so...load a cassette and record or listen!
>>
>> Happy Listening,
>>
>> ALEX!
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 29 15:35:35 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:35:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
References: <000201c4bd1b$5bf89180$bc884c51@oemcomputer>
	<41822850.7030503@snet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12I2rV4Zne00002691@hotmail.com>

Shalom Ed,

The Dragon HAS such belt for the digit counter...SO...the ZX-9 MUST be 
equal!!??

Cheers.

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!


> Just a stab in the dark, but it sounds like the belt for the counter may 
> be slipping. To be honest, I'm not even sure that the ZX9 even has such a 
> belt (and I'll probably never know firsthand either... too rich for my 
> blood), but in other Naks such a problem would cause the both the counter 
> to not move and the deck to stop due to the fact that it would think the 
> tape had stopped moving too. If you feel like taking a look under the old 
> bonnet, you would be looking for a thin belt that probably goes from the 
> take up hub to the upper right side of the transport mechanism. Best of 
> luck with it.
>
> Ed
>
> Nelson wrote:
>
>>Aha!  I have ANOTHER clue!  I just noticed the electronic counter is not
>>move when a tape is put in and not at all when Play, fast forward or 
>>rewind
>>are engaged even though they do run momentarily.
>>
>>Gra'
>>
>>>I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too -
>>>runs for a few moments and stops.
>>>
>>>Gra'
>>>
>>
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 16:30:00 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR5 gear upgrade kit
In-Reply-To: <OF338E7D52.16FDBCB7-ONCA256F3B.0082AE15@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20041029143001.19820.qmail@web52408.mail.yahoo.com>

You can contact me off-list as I have one spare kit recently bougt off Nak parts - bit xepensive though!
kannan

warren.king at agric.nsw.gov.au wrote:

Does anyone know of a supplier of CR5 gear upgrade kits or am I just whistling in the wind? 

Thanks in advance, Warren

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From jeff at nakamichi.us  Fri Oct 29 15:54:57 2004
From: jeff at nakamichi.us (jeff at nakamichi.us)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:54:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
References: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org><002a01c4bd18$ac42f2f0$22773242@CopyTech>
	<1098976328.41810c489955e@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <00e601c4bdc7$042d0f60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>

Hi Guys!

Do you really believe that the EPROM is unavailable?  It's an EPROM, NOT a Nakamichi pre-programmed ROM.  Carlos, you were told a story!  Although it MIGHT have been bad, I have NEVER had a defective one in any Nakamichi machine.  I only stock them because I stock lots of the parts used in these machines.  

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin

  

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless because of an 
unavailable EPROM, rediculious!

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Exactly.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
> 
> 
> > John M. Tooley writes:
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
> burn
> >> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> >>
> >> John T.
> >
> > If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's
> the
> > problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
> >
> > -Ti
> > -- 
> > Ti Kan
> > http://www.amb.org/ti
> > Vorsprung durch Technik
> >
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 20:33:06 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:33:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA-350 service manual
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F32YmQz4lDPH00013042@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041029183306.81915.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com>

I have it.  It's in hard copy so contact me offline with the sections
you want

Scott J.
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Oct 29 23:42:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:42:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
References: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org><002a01c4bd18$ac42f2f0$22773242@CopyTech><1098976328.41810c489955e@mail.ce.net>
	<00e601c4bdc7$042d0f60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>
Message-ID: <000e01c4be00$3671ed90$40773242@CopyTech>

Don't you recall when I asked you for one? You said that you have only one 
in a board and that you could sell me the whole board for a , well, for a 
Nakamichi usual high price. You also told me that the eprom was not 
available anymore from Nakamichi.   Then, Stephen found 4 in England through 
a friend there at Bowers & Wilkins.

So, if I was told an story, you were part of it. That was one of my reasons 
to get rid of the machine, besides the $1,700 quote for refurbishing. Unless 
we are talking about another part in specific ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Hi Guys!

Do you really believe that the EPROM is unavailable?  It's an EPROM, NOT a 
Nakamichi pre-programmed ROM.  Carlos, you were told a story!  Although it 
MIGHT have been bad, I have NEVER had a defective one in any Nakamichi 
machine.  I only stock them because I stock lots of the parts used in these 
machines.

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless because of 
an
unavailable EPROM, rediculious!

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Exactly.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
>
>
> > John M. Tooley writes:
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
> burn
> >> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> >>
> >> John T.
> >
> > If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's
> the
> > problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
> >
> > -Ti
> > -- 
> > Ti Kan
> > http://www.amb.org/ti
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Fri Oct 29 21:02:31 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:02:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
In-Reply-To: <00e601c4bdc7$042d0f60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>
References: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org><002a01c4bd18$ac42f2f0$22773242@CopyTech>	<1098976328.41810c489955e@mail.ce.net>
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Message-ID: <418293C7.3000901@cox.net>

Hi Jeff-

So what's the scoop on this particular EPROM?  Do they 'go bad'?  I was 
under the impression that it was a UV eraseable type and programmed by 
Nakamichi.  If so, does anyone know it's original manufacturer's part 
number (not the nakamichi part number, but the generic number) and / or 
does anyone have the program to dump into it?

We deal with parts obsolesence problems regularly where I work so I can 
appreciate how difficult it can be to repair older instruments.

Cheers!
Tim Barrett


jeff at nakamichi.us wrote:

>Hi Guys!
>
>Do you really believe that the EPROM is unavailable?  It's an EPROM, NOT a Nakamichi pre-programmed ROM.  Carlos, you were told a story!  Although it MIGHT have been bad, I have NEVER had a defective one in any Nakamichi machine.  I only stock them because I stock lots of the parts used in these machines.  
>
>Sincerely,
>Jeff Galin
>
>  
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:12 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
>
>
>A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless because of an 
>unavailable EPROM, rediculious!
>
>John T.
>
>Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>
>  
>
>>Exactly.
>>
>>Carlos
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
>>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>John M. Tooley writes:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Carlos
>>>>
>>>>I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
>>>>        
>>>>
>>burn
>>    
>>
>>>>copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
>>>>
>>>>John T.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's
>>>      
>>>
>>the
>>    
>>
>>>problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
>>>
>>>-Ti
>>>-- 
>>>Ti Kan
>>>http://www.amb.org/ti
>>>Vorsprung durch Technik
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 17:18:37 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:18:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
In-Reply-To: <00e601c4bdc7$042d0f60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>
Message-ID: <002501c4bdca$907a63c0$d79a4c51@oemcomputer>

Well, that's cleared that one up ....  So, who's been telling Carlos "porky
pies"?!  :o)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of jeff at nakamichi.us
> Sent: 29 October 2004 14:55
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
>
>
> Hi Guys!
>
> Do you really believe that the EPROM is unavailable?  It's an
> EPROM, NOT a Nakamichi pre-programmed ROM.  Carlos, you were told
> a story!  Although it MIGHT have been bad, I have NEVER had a
> defective one in any Nakamichi machine.  I only stock them
> because I stock lots of the parts used in these machines.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jeff Galin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:12 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
>
>
> A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless
> because of an
> unavailable EPROM, rediculious!
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>
> > Exactly.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
> >
> >
> > > John M. Tooley writes:
> > >> Carlos
> > >>
> > >> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
> > burn
> > >> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there
> must be a way.
> > >>
> > >> John T.
> > >
> > > If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's
> > the
> > > problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
> > >
> > > -Ti
> > > --
> > > Ti Kan
>
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Fri Oct 29 17:18:42 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:18:42 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] EPROM
Message-ID: <00ab01c4bdca$93691f40$bc1d0cd0@r7g1f8>

WHAT IS AN EPROM??? 


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 20:50:52 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:50:52 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D716@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <004401c4bde8$36fb07a0$d79a4c51@oemcomputer>

Hi all and especially Wouter and Tom,

I looked and did not see the light!  Eureka!  The darned bulb has blown.
(To borrow from Shakespeare, A bulb!  A bulb!  My kingdom for a bulb!)  Hmmm
... dare I try - emphasis on try - to fix this myself or should I leave it
to the professionals?  Probably the latter given I have thumbs for fingers
...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> Sent: 29 October 2004 04:11
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> Ok here's what I think the problem is. If you are pressing play or FF and
> the unit responds and stops after a second then it sounds like
> the belt that
> connects the right (take up reel) hub to the optical sensor
> wheel. When this
> wheel does is permit a split second of light to appear on a optical sensor
> and then take the light off and do it all over again, it creates
> this light
> pulse so that the logics of your deck think that the tape is
> moving. If this
> wheel is not moving when the tape is in motion the unit thinks
> that the tape
> has become stuck and immediately goes into stop mode. If the belt
> is ok then
> it might be the small 12 volt lamp that shines the light onto the sensor
> that is dead. To check if your lamp is working or not just open your
> cassette door and look into the small gap on the right and you
> should see a
> small amount of light, if you cannot see any light then the bulb is dead -
> please note that the light should always remains on until you turn off the
> power.
>
> 	Gra' if you are pressing rewind on your ZX9 without a tape and it
> stops then this is a normal operation because the take up reel is not in
> motion under these conditions.
>
> 	Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 4:12
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too -
> runs for a
> few moments and stops.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> > Sent: 28 October 2004 18:41
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: My turn to ask for help!
> >
> >
> > Guys
> >
> > Today, my ZX9 will not go forward in Play or fast Forward for
> > anything but a few moment before stopping.  I thought it might be
> > the tape but, having changed it for another, I have the same
> > problem.  Neither or those tapes exhibit the same symptoms when
> > played in my Pioneer CTS830S.
> >
> > Does this sound like a DIY fix for a complete amateur and dull
> > head, like me, or does this sound like a job for the guys in
> > Bowers & Wilkin?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Graham
> >
> >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 21:36:00 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:36:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D716@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <004c01c4bdee$84eff140$d79a4c51@oemcomputer>

Tom/Wouter/Guys

Do you know if the lamp is a generic one and, if so, how it is identified?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> Sent: 29 October 2004 04:11
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> Ok here's what I think the problem is. If you are pressing play or FF and
> the unit responds and stops after a second then it sounds like
> the belt that
> connects the right (take up reel) hub to the optical sensor
> wheel. When this
> wheel does is permit a split second of light to appear on a optical sensor
> and then take the light off and do it all over again, it creates
> this light
> pulse so that the logics of your deck think that the tape is
> moving. If this
> wheel is not moving when the tape is in motion the unit thinks
> that the tape
> has become stuck and immediately goes into stop mode. If the belt
> is ok then
> it might be the small 12 volt lamp that shines the light onto the sensor
> that is dead. To check if your lamp is working or not just open your
> cassette door and look into the small gap on the right and you
> should see a
> small amount of light, if you cannot see any light then the bulb is dead -
> please note that the light should always remains on until you turn off the
> power.
>
> 	Gra' if you are pressing rewind on your ZX9 without a tape and it
> stops then this is a normal operation because the take up reel is not in
> motion under these conditions.
>
> 	Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 4:12
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too -
> runs for a
> few moments and stops.
>
> Gra'
>
> >
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From jeff at nakamichi.us  Fri Oct 29 23:35:28 2004
From: jeff at nakamichi.us (jeff at nakamichi.us)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:35:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
References: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org><002a01c4bd18$ac42f2f0$22773242@CopyTech><1098976328.41810c489955e@mail.ce.net><00e601c4bdc7$042d0f60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>
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Message-ID: <003301c4bdff$4e3ae810$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>

Carlos,

The part that you asked for was IC702.  It is a 1024 (256 x 4) static RAM in a 22 pin DIP case.  Last year, I search for the NEC part number UPD5101LC and found that it was available from SONY, part number 875915111.  It's used in some other gear and is not a Nakamichi IC.  If he looked hard enough, he too would have found that SONY had them as well as other suppliers.  

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Don't you recall when I asked you for one? You said that you have only one 
in a board and that you could sell me the whole board for a , well, for a 
Nakamichi usual high price. You also told me that the eprom was not 
available anymore from Nakamichi.   Then, Stephen found 4 in England through 
a friend there at Bowers & Wilkins.

So, if I was told an story, you were part of it. That was one of my reasons 
to get rid of the machine, besides the $1,700 quote for refurbishing. Unless 
we are talking about another part in specific ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Hi Guys!

Do you really believe that the EPROM is unavailable?  It's an EPROM, NOT a 
Nakamichi pre-programmed ROM.  Carlos, you were told a story!  Although it 
MIGHT have been bad, I have NEVER had a defective one in any Nakamichi 
machine.  I only stock them because I stock lots of the parts used in these 
machines.

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless because of 
an
unavailable EPROM, rediculious!

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Exactly.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
>
>
> > John M. Tooley writes:
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
> burn
> >> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> >>
> >> John T.
> >
> > If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's
> the
> > problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
> >
> > -Ti
> > -- 
> > Ti Kan
> > http://www.amb.org/ti
> > Vorsprung durch Technik
> >
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From bjgrady at pacbell.net  Fri Oct 29 18:12:38 2004
From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (john)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:12:38 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FW: am-dig.com: Old Meets New!
Message-ID: <200410291617.i9TGHmnG012534@ylpvm01.prodigy.net>

Just received this.
 
John from Orange, CA

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From jazzao at primus.com.au  Fri Oct 29 23:29:56 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:29:56 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
Message-ID: <4182B654.1040204@primus.com.au>

Hi to all,

I just wanted to know if anyone has had dealings with Stephen lately.  I 
have been trying to contact him via email and telephone and have gotten 
no response.  I now that he was sick in July.  He was working on my 
Nakamichi 700ZXE upgrading it and it has been nearly 10 months.   I am 
from Sydney Australia so  it will not be  easy to visit his  office in  
New Mexico.

Thanks for any information you guys may have.
 
Regards
Alan



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 01:30:40 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:30:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
In-Reply-To: <004c01c4bdee$84eff140$d79a4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20041029233040.27741.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>

My Nakamichi FAQ site you must go.

http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html

Find information you will.

Master Yoda

--- Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Tom/Wouter/Guys
> 
> Do you know if the lamp is a generic one and, if so, how it is
> identified?
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> > Sent: 29 October 2004 04:11
> > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
> >
> >
> > Ok here's what I think the problem is. If you are pressing play
> or FF and
> > the unit responds and stops after a second then it sounds like
> > the belt that
> > connects the right (take up reel) hub to the optical sensor
> > wheel. When this
> > wheel does is permit a split second of light to appear on a
> optical sensor
> > and then take the light off and do it all over again, it creates
> > this light
> > pulse so that the logics of your deck think that the tape is
> > moving. If this
> > wheel is not moving when the tape is in motion the unit thinks
> > that the tape
> > has become stuck and immediately goes into stop mode. If the belt
> > is ok then
> > it might be the small 12 volt lamp that shines the light onto the
> sensor
> > that is dead. To check if your lamp is working or not just open
> your
> > cassette door and look into the small gap on the right and you
> > should see a
> > small amount of light, if you cannot see any light then the bulb
> is dead -
> > please note that the light should always remains on until you
> turn off the
> > power.
> >
> > 	Gra' if you are pressing rewind on your ZX9 without a tape and
> it
> > stops then this is a normal operation because the take up reel is
> not in
> > motion under these conditions.
> >
> > 	Tom.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 4:12
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
> >
> >
> > I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too -
> > runs for a
> > few moments and stops.
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sat Oct 30 01:32:06 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:32:06 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D718@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I think it's a generic 12 volt 20 mA glode grain size. My guess is that the
globe has the bare leads and not the regular leads attached to them.

	Can anyone else confirm please?

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] 
Sent: Saturday, 30 October 2004 5:36 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!


Tom/Wouter/Guys

Do you know if the lamp is a generic one and, if so, how it is identified?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> Sent: 29 October 2004 04:11
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> Ok here's what I think the problem is. If you are pressing play or FF 
> and the unit responds and stops after a second then it sounds like the 
> belt that connects the right (take up reel) hub to the optical sensor
> wheel. When this
> wheel does is permit a split second of light to appear on a optical sensor
> and then take the light off and do it all over again, it creates
> this light
> pulse so that the logics of your deck think that the tape is
> moving. If this
> wheel is not moving when the tape is in motion the unit thinks
> that the tape
> has become stuck and immediately goes into stop mode. If the belt
> is ok then
> it might be the small 12 volt lamp that shines the light onto the sensor
> that is dead. To check if your lamp is working or not just open your
> cassette door and look into the small gap on the right and you
> should see a
> small amount of light, if you cannot see any light then the bulb is dead -
> please note that the light should always remains on until you turn off the
> power.
>
> 	Gra' if you are pressing rewind on your ZX9 without a tape and it 
> stops then this is a normal operation because the take up reel is not 
> in motion under these conditions.
>
> 	Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 4:12
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too - runs 
> for a few moments and stops.
>
> Gra'
>
> >
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 02:03:53 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:03:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
In-Reply-To: <4182B654.1040204@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <20041030000353.70913.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>

Good luck in hearing from him soon.
kannan

Alan Olan <jazzao at primus.com.au> wrote:
Hi to all,

I just wanted to know if anyone has had dealings with Stephen lately. I 
have been trying to contact him via email and telephone and have gotten 
no response. I now that he was sick in July. He was working on my 
Nakamichi 700ZXE upgrading it and it has been nearly 10 months. I am 
from Sydney Australia so it will not be easy to visit his office in 
New Mexico.

Thanks for any information you guys may have.

Regards
Alan

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From ti at amb.org  Sat Oct 30 02:27:25 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:27:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] EPROM
In-Reply-To: <00ab01c4bdca$93691f40$bc1d0cd0@r7g1f8> from "Babin/Greseth" at
	Oct 29, 2004 08:18:42 AM
Message-ID: <20041030002725.8891718A54@smtp.amb.org>

Babin/Greseth writes:
> WHAT IS AN EPROM???

Electronically-Programmable Read-Only Memory, usually used to store
program code and data for microprocessors.

-Ti
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct 30 07:23:52 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:23:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
References: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org><002a01c4bd18$ac42f2f0$22773242@CopyTech><1098976328.41810c489955e@mail.ce.net><00e601c4bdc7$042d0f60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK><000e01c4be00$3671ed90$40773242@CopyTech>
	<003301c4bdff$4e3ae810$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>
Message-ID: <000601c4be40$a5ad5100$15773242@CopyTech>

Jeff:

Well, you see, it was a RAM chip and not an Eprom as I said. The thing is 
that 2 years ago not even you could tell me that SONY has it. Anyway, that's 
history now.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Carlos,

The part that you asked for was IC702.  It is a 1024 (256 x 4) static RAM in 
a 22 pin DIP case.  Last year, I search for the NEC part number UPD5101LC 
and found that it was available from SONY, part number 875915111.  It's used 
in some other gear and is not a Nakamichi IC.  If he looked hard enough, he 
too would have found that SONY had them as well as other suppliers.

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Don't you recall when I asked you for one? You said that you have only one
in a board and that you could sell me the whole board for a , well, for a
Nakamichi usual high price. You also told me that the eprom was not
available anymore from Nakamichi.   Then, Stephen found 4 in England through
a friend there at Bowers & Wilkins.

So, if I was told an story, you were part of it. That was one of my reasons
to get rid of the machine, besides the $1,700 quote for refurbishing. Unless
we are talking about another part in specific ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Hi Guys!

Do you really believe that the EPROM is unavailable?  It's an EPROM, NOT a
Nakamichi pre-programmed ROM.  Carlos, you were told a story!  Although it
MIGHT have been bad, I have NEVER had a defective one in any Nakamichi
machine.  I only stock them because I stock lots of the parts used in these
machines.

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless because of
an
unavailable EPROM, rediculious!

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Exactly.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
>
>
> > John M. Tooley writes:
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
> burn
> >> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> >>
> >> John T.
> >
> > If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's
> the
> > problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
> >
> > -Ti
> > -- 
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> > http://www.amb.org/ti
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct 30 07:34:07 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:34:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
References: <4182B654.1040204@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <006001c4be42$13afbde0$15773242@CopyTech>

Gra' must know the secret way to get to him ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Olan" <jazzao at primus.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:29 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?


> Hi to all,
>
> I just wanted to know if anyone has had dealings with Stephen lately.  I 
> have been trying to contact him via email and telephone and have gotten no 
> response.  I now that he was sick in July.  He was working on my Nakamichi 
> 700ZXE upgrading it and it has been nearly 10 months.   I am from Sydney 
> Australia so  it will not be  easy to visit his  office in  New Mexico.
>
> Thanks for any information you guys may have.
>
> Regards
> Alan
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Oct 30 01:53:44 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:53:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
References: <002501c4bdca$907a63c0$d79a4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <009f01c4be12$88e4a0b0$90b80642@john1patlmckrl>

The EPROM plot thickens, stay tuned! Chips at 11.00

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


> Well, that's cleared that one up ....  So, who's been telling Carlos 
> "porky
> pies"?!  :o)
>
> Gra'
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of jeff at nakamichi.us
>> Sent: 29 October 2004 14:55
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys!
>>
>> Do you really believe that the EPROM is unavailable?  It's an
>> EPROM, NOT a Nakamichi pre-programmed ROM.  Carlos, you were told
>> a story!  Although it MIGHT have been bad, I have NEVER had a
>> defective one in any Nakamichi machine.  I only stock them
>> because I stock lots of the parts used in these machines.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Jeff Galin
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:12 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
>>
>>
>> A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless
>> because of an
>> unavailable EPROM, rediculious!
>>
>> John T.
>>
>> Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>>
>> > Exactly.
>> >
>> > Carlos
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
>> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
>> >
>> >
>> > > John M. Tooley writes:
>> > >> Carlos
>> > >>
>> > >> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
>> > burn
>> > >> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there
>> must be a way.
>> > >>
>> > >> John T.
>> > >
>> > > If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming 
>> > > that's
>> > the
>> > > problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
>> > >
>> > > -Ti
>> > > --
>> > > Ti Kan
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct 30 02:22:23 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:22:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
In-Reply-To: <4182B654.1040204@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <000001c4be16$87219720$16f34c51@oemcomputer>

Ah!  Join the club!

Actually, Stephen is away in ... I'm not supposed to tell you where ... if I
did I'd have to kill you ... .

Actually, he was planting some of his microphones in Iraq, in an attempt to
pick up messages  between Bathists to find out where are the weapons of mass
destruction.   At one point he was kidnapped by Militants but they let him
go after he fixed the head honcho's 1000 ZXL (Ltd edition) with an Emprom he
just happened have in his back pocket.  (Phew!  That could have been too
close a shave!)  He was subsequently kidnapped by the CIA because one of his
microphones picked up a signal between Saddam's 3rd cousin once removed,
Yuva bin Hadd and Saddam's Aunty Sylvia (you think Mark's a case - Sylvia is
the real "black sheep" of the Thatcher family) when they discussed the
amazing ruse they'd run for a mega international petroleum company by
spreading rumours about chemical and biological weapons being ready to fire
upon US bases on their "unsinkable aircraft carrier" (that's Britain) in 45
minutes.  It was also revealed that Michael Moore is actually the CEO of
that company (Sylvia is the company Secretary while the bin Laden's are
allegedly shareholders) and that Michael's recent film is merely another
ruse to throw everyone off the scent and blame poor George and Tony.

Stephen is now indefinitely insolitary incarcerated inGuantanamo Bay ... and
was re-baptised in his own blood by the Irish Christian Brothers amongst the
military guards and named Mohammed Nak-Ali.  All correspondence should now
be sent there, although appeals for his release will not be ignored and will
bring you to the close attention of the FBI for such an un-American
activity.

Damn!  I told you!  Now I'll have to kill you all .... but at least you'll
all die in the comforting knowledge that I'll give all your Nakamichi's a
good home.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alan Olan
> Sent: 29 October 2004 22:30
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
>
>
> Hi to all,
>
> I just wanted to know if anyone has had dealings with Stephen lately.  I
> have been trying to contact him via email and telephone and have gotten
> no response.  I now that he was sick in July.  He was working on my
> Nakamichi 700ZXE upgrading it and it has been nearly 10 months.   I am
> from Sydney Australia so  it will not be  easy to visit his  office in
> New Mexico.
>
> Thanks for any information you guys may have.
>
> Regards
> Alan
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct 30 02:33:45 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:33:45 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
In-Reply-To: <20041029233040.27741.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4be18$1d9345e0$16f34c51@oemcomputer>

Master Yoda!  Teach me to feel The Force and not kill every bit of
electrical kit for of which I remove the bonnet ...

Luke Dirtywater

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Scott Johnson
> Sent: 30 October 2004 00:31
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> My Nakamichi FAQ site you must go.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
>
> Find information you will.
>
> Master Yoda
>
> --- Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Tom/Wouter/Guys
> >
> > Do you know if the lamp is a generic one and, if so, how it is
> > identified?
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> > > Sent: 29 October 2004 04:11
> > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok here's what I think the problem is. If you are pressing play
> > or FF and
> > > the unit responds and stops after a second then it sounds like
> > > the belt that
> > > connects the right (take up reel) hub to the optical sensor
> > > wheel. When this
> > > wheel does is permit a split second of light to appear on a
> > optical sensor
> > > and then take the light off and do it all over again, it creates
> > > this light
> > > pulse so that the logics of your deck think that the tape is
> > > moving. If this
> > > wheel is not moving when the tape is in motion the unit thinks
> > > that the tape
> > > has become stuck and immediately goes into stop mode. If the belt
> > > is ok then
> > > it might be the small 12 volt lamp that shines the light onto the
> > sensor
> > > that is dead. To check if your lamp is working or not just open
> > your
> > > cassette door and look into the small gap on the right and you
> > > should see a
> > > small amount of light, if you cannot see any light then the bulb
> > is dead -
> > > please note that the light should always remains on until you
> > turn off the
> > > power.
> > >
> > > 	Gra' if you are pressing rewind on your ZX9 without a tape and
> > it
> > > stops then this is a normal operation because the take up reel is
> > not in
> > > motion under these conditions.
> > >
> > > 	Tom.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Friday, 29 October 2004 4:12
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
> > >
> > >
> > > I might add, the same symptoms occur when I try to Rewind, too -
> > > runs for a
> > > few moments and stops.
> > >
> > > Gra'
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 30 05:35:48 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:35:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Optical Sensor Bulb
References: <200410292332.i9TNW8vv028284@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <001001c4be31$8c6e72a0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Hi, compadres:

I picked up an LX-3 on EBay recently that the previous owner was assured by
a "Nakamichi technician" that the deck's microprocessor was toast.  It
exhibited precisely the same behaviour as many previous posts on the topic.
I was prepared to experiment with some EPROM cloning/substitution because
I've been thinking of ways to make my CR-7 immortal  ;-)

Poking around on the 'Net was a tantalizing possible tidbit from the Nak
Skunkworks/Underground:  there was a special sequence of buttons to be
pressed to "reset" (a specific order of play, FF, RWD, etc) that I was never
able to discover.

I soldered in a 12V 60ma microlamp (99 cents from Radio Shack), and voila!
it works just fine now.  Average life expectancy is 10,000 hours from the
bulb.

Imagine: a simple, tiny belt driven windmill and lamp can paralyse those
beautifully crafted transports.......

Paul



From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sat Oct 30 11:31:47 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:31:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] EPROM
In-Reply-To: <00ab01c4bdca$93691f40$bc1d0cd0@r7g1f8>
References: <00ab01c4bdca$93691f40$bc1d0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041030051923.020df4f0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 11:18 10/29/2004, you wrote:
>WHAT IS AN EPROM???

I believe it is an acronym for Erasable Programable Read-Only Memory. A 
type of chip you can "burn" data into with an EPROM burner to make the data 
or program non-volatile but that can ultimately be erased if needed with 
long strong exposure to UV light inside an EPROM eraser.




From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Oct 30 14:08:15 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:08:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Deck Calibration Procedures
Message-ID: <004801c4be79$27315040$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Scott,

Just perusing your Nak info threads pages, great stuff.

When will you be putting together the calibration procedures web page?  That will be a very good reference for us Nak enthusiasts with ample dexterity, and curiosity to learn what these procedures are all about.  

Merci

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA




Nakamichi Tape Deck Calibration Procedure 
A lot of people have been asking about how to calibration their Nak decks themselves and I have not seen any good web pages that explains this procedure.  I'm going to start one soon.  It will be based on the calibration procedure in the Nak service manual with my own notes.  When I get it started it will be located <here> 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Scott Johnson
> Sent: 30 October 2004 00:31
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: My turn to ask for help!
>
>
> My Nakamichi FAQ site you must go.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
>
> Find information you will.
>
> Master Yoda
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Oct 30 14:11:57 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:11:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bleus' Nak ZX-9 Project
Message-ID: <004c01c4be79$abab7f80$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Many thanks for the kind and informative responses to my inquires about Nak ZX-9 capstan flywheel belt replacemant repairs.  I found a source for replacement Nak belt kits, and plan to begin my little project over the weekend.  I've got service manual info, photo images of before and after belt installation, and several detailed comments from knowledgable Nakkers that have performed this kind of repair.  I've decided to document the project with step-by-step photos, which will be poted on my cyberspot website in the future.  

Wish me luck, I'm doing preliminary warm-ups and stretching my fingers, organizing my toolkit, etc. before delving into ZX-9 innards later today  :-}}

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA

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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Oct 30 14:17:04 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:17:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Beed???
Message-ID: <005001c4be7a$628e3170$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Greetings,

I've been sitting in my studio earlier this morning, thinking of a way to categorize the span of classic Nak cassette decks in relation to technical specifications, functionality, durability, and overall enjoyment to utilize by the enthusist.  We could do a sort of survey via NakTalk, identifying the best of breed characteristics of the Nak decks together.  Any takers on this idea?  Perhaps a simple survey could be something like this.......

Best deck in technical specifications:
1)  
2)
3)


Best deck w/ automated control functionality:
1)
2)
3)


Best deck w/ manual control functionality:
1)
2)
3)


Best deck in durability and longevity:
1)
2)
3)


Best deck to utilize (ergonomics, enjoyment factor):
1) RX-505
2) etc...
3) etc...


Best deck in value (cost compared to specs, functionality, durability, utilization):
1) ZX-9
2) etc...
3) etc...

End of Survey


We can all participate by responding to the survey via NakTalk email interactions, compile the info, create a spreadsheet charting the results, then request Wouter to add results to the new Naks.Com website.  On a yearly basis, we could revisit the survey, to add new Nakkers into the survey. What do you guys think about this idea?  Something worth the effort, or just a trial balloon (led zeppelin) kind of idea??  Open for discussion......

Best regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA

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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Oct 30 15:26:40 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:26:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: TDK SA Ltd & SA-XG Cassettes
Message-ID: <008a01c4be84$3b62aea0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Any of you guys know about the lineage of TDK's SA Ltd and SA-XG cassettes?

I just grabbed these used with a few other metal cassette goodies (MA-XG, Sony MM's), and I'm wondering what the date of manufacture was, what the specifications are in relation to other quality cassettes of the era. The SA Ltd Edition has a high resonance cassette mechanism and shell, comes in a nifty flip top case.  The SA-XG appears to be the same cassette frame as the classic MA-XG, clear shell with rigid aluminum frame.  Anyone have some detail info on these cassettes?

Merci

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct 30 20:15:34 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:15:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
References: <000001c4be16$87219720$16f34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001301c4beac$738c8da0$62773242@CopyTech>

You son of a gun !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?


> Ah!  Join the club!
>
> Actually, Stephen is away in ... I'm not supposed to tell you where ... if 
> I
> did I'd have to kill you ... .


From inthegarageworking at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 14:42:50 2004
From: inthegarageworking at yahoo.com (sam tarantino)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:42:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak's auto shut off... a little wheel with holes 
Message-ID: <20041030124250.48516.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey boys and girls , just picked up a cream puff Nak
680zx looks like it just came out of the box. The guy
i paid $20.00 dollars for said it was dead. The little
light for the auto shut off was burned out! Remember
this
KISS... Keep it simple stupid . No bad eproms here! Sam


	
		
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 30 15:11:17 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:11:17 +0200
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Beed???
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV15Q8n0lfEm0000a78f@hotmail.com>

Dear Bleus,

To my sole knowledge I add some models to your Survey...I hope that you accept this?

Regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: KJ Bleus 
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Beed???


Greetings,

I've been sitting in my studio earlier this morning, thinking of a way to categorize the span of classic Nak cassette decks in relation to technical specifications, functionality, durability, and overall enjoyment to utilize by the enthusist.  We could do a sort of survey via NakTalk, identifying the best of breed characteristics of the Nak decks together.  Any takers on this idea?  Perhaps a simple survey could be something like this.......

Best deck in technical specifications:
1)  ZLX Black & Gold
2)  Dragon
3)


Best deck w/ automated control functionality:
1) ZLX Black & Gold
2) Dragon
3) ZX-9 & 7 or 7A


Best deck w/ manual control functionality:
1) Dragon
2) ZX-7 or 7A
3) TT-1000 & 1000/2 or 700 & 700/2


Best deck in durability and longevity:
1) TT-1000 or 1000/2 & 700 or 700/2
2) 500 or 600 series 
3) Dragon  & earlier ZX series


Best deck to utilize (ergonomics, enjoyment factor):
1) RX-505
2) Dragon
3) etc... Agree!


Best deck in value (cost compared to specs, functionality, durability, utilization):
1) ZX-9
2) Dragon
3) TT- series 1000 or 700

End of Survey


We can all participate by responding to the survey via NakTalk email interactions, compile the info, create a spreadsheet charting the results, then request Wouter to add results to the new Naks.Com website.  On a yearly basis, we could revisit the survey, to add new Nakkers into the survey. What do you guys think about this idea?  Something worth the effort, or just a trial balloon (led zeppelin) kind of idea??  Open for discussion......

Best regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA




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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Oct 30 17:06:41 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:06:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
References: <4182B654.1040204@primus.com.au>
	<006001c4be42$13afbde0$15773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001901c4be92$10b904c0$58b10642@john1patlmckrl>

He emailed me the other day saying that my APT Pre-amp was coming to me via 
FedEx, received yesterday and looking very smart.

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?


> Gra' must know the secret way to get to him ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Olan" <jazzao at primus.com.au>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:29 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
>
>
>> Hi to all,
>>
>> I just wanted to know if anyone has had dealings with Stephen lately.  I 
>> have been trying to contact him via email and telephone and have gotten 
>> no response.  I now that he was sick in July.  He was working on my 
>> Nakamichi 700ZXE upgrading it and it has been nearly 10 months.   I am 
>> from Sydney Australia so  it will not be  easy to visit his  office in 
>> New Mexico.
>>
>> Thanks for any information you guys may have.
>>
>> Regards
>> Alan
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From jeff.birgbauer at comcast.net  Sat Oct 30 15:35:23 2004
From: jeff.birgbauer at comcast.net (jeff.birgbauer)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:35:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] buying advise?
Message-ID: <8D2F7396-2A78-11D9-A988-0003936E2A08@comcast.net>

my old cassette player bit the dust last year. what would be a good Nak 
for me to get. $300 is the top of my budget

is buying a used Nak better than anything i can buy new now?

do they still make Naks?

thanks
Jeff



From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Oct 30 20:10:55 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:10:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???
Message-ID: <002b01c4beab$d22a7760$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Here's my selections, to start things off.....

Bleus


Nak Decks Best ofBreed Survey:
Best deck in technical specifications:
1)  1000-ZXL/Ltd (Niro and Ted say it is true!!!)
2)  ZX-9
3) Dragon


Best deck w/ automated control functionality:
1) 1000 ZXL/Ltd
2) 700 ZXL
3) 682 ZX


Best deck w/ manual control functionality:
1) ZX-9 (ZX-7 also, essentially same deck)
2) 1000 Tri-Tracer
3) 680


Best deck in durability and longevity:
1) ZX-7
2) 680 ZX
3) 550


Best deck to utilize (ergonomics, enjoyment factor):
1) RX-505 (so fun to use and show off to friends!!!)
2) ZX-9
3) 680 ZX


Best deck in value (cost compared to specs, functionality, durability, utilization):
1) ZX-9
2) RX-505
3) 550

End of Survey



----- Original Message ----- 
From: KJ Bleus 
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???

Greetings,

I've been sitting in my studio earlier this morning, thinking of a way to categorize the span of classic Nak cassette decks in relation to technical specifications, functionality, durability, and overall enjoyment to utilize by the enthusist.  We could do a sort of survey via NakTalk, identifying the best of breed characteristics of the Nak decks together.  Any takers on this idea?  Perhaps a simple survey could be something like this.......

We can all participate by responding to the survey via NakTalk email interactions, compile the info, create a spreadsheet charting the results, then request Wouter to add results to the new Naks.Com website.  On a yearly basis, we could revisit the survey, to add new Nakkers into the survey. What do you guys think about this idea?  Something worth the effort, or just a trial balloon (led zeppelin) kind of idea??  Open for discussion......

Best regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct 30 19:16:29 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:16:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak's auto shut off... a little wheel with holes 
In-Reply-To: <20041030124250.48516.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001201c4bea4$3227ce40$b7d74c51@oemcomputer>

That is so sweet!!!   Nice one, Sam.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of sam tarantino
> Sent: 30 October 2004 13:43
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak's auto shut off... a little wheel with holes 
> 
> 
> Hey boys and girls , just picked up a cream puff Nak
> 680zx looks like it just came out of the box. The guy
> i paid $20.00 dollars for said it was dead. The little
> light for the auto shut off was burned out! Remember
> this
> KISS... Keep it simple stupid . No bad eproms here! Sam
> 
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Oct 30 23:46:41 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:46:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???
In-Reply-To: <002b01c4beab$d22a7760$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <001001c4bec9$f203b650$81773242@CopyTech>

Yeah Bleus. I’ll add another section of the bigger headaches, placing
those 2 ZXL’s in first place too. You know, it would also be good
information for the newbies arriving here just looking to solve a
problem and then fly away, if we tell them what models are the most
reliable ones, easier to fix and to find parts and technicians to fix
it. Basically the ZXl’s are not in that category.
 
Carlos
 
-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of KJ Bleus
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:11 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???
 
Here's my selections, to start things off.....
 
Bleus
 
 
Nak Decks Best ofBreed Survey:
Best deck in technical specifications:
1)  1000-ZXL/Ltd (Niro and Ted say it is true!!!)
2)  ZX-9
3) Dragon
 
 
Best deck w/ automated control functionality:
1) 1000 ZXL/Ltd
2) 700 ZXL
3) 682 ZX
 
 
Best deck w/ manual control functionality:
1) ZX-9 (ZX-7 also, essentially same deck)
2) 1000 Tri-Tracer
3) 680
 
 
Best deck in durability and longevity:
1) ZX-7
2) 680 ZX
3) 550
 
 
Best deck to utilize (ergonomics, enjoyment factor):
1) RX-505 (so fun to use and show off to friends!!!)
2) ZX-9
3) 680 ZX
 
 
Best deck in value (cost compared to specs, functionality, durability,
utilization):
1) ZX-9
2) RX-505
3) 550
 
End of Survey
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:kjbleus at charter.net"KJ Bleus 
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:naktalk at naks.com"naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???
 
Greetings,
 
I've been sitting in my studio earlier this morning, thinking of a way
to categorize the span of classic Nak cassette decks in relation to
technical specifications, functionality, durability, and overall
enjoyment to utilize by the enthusist.  We could do a sort of survey via
NakTalk, identifying the best of breed characteristics of the Nak decks
together.  Any takers on this idea?  Perhaps a simple survey could be
something like this.......
 
We can all participate by responding to the survey via NakTalk email
interactions, compile the info, create a spreadsheet charting the
results, then request Wouter to add results to the new Naks.Com website.
On a yearly basis, we could revisit the survey, to add new Nakkers into
the survey. What do you guys think about this idea?  Something worth the
effort, or just a trial balloon (led zeppelin) kind of idea??  Open for
discussion......
 
Best regards,
 
Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
 
 

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From jeff at nakamichi.us  Sat Oct 30 21:19:04 2004
From: jeff at nakamichi.us (jeff at nakamichi.us)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:19:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
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Carlos,

Two years ago I had assumed that it was unique because it could not be found by Stephen.  At the time, I did not research it outside my own Nakamichi inventory.  I really am very sorry!  I should not have assumed what I had assumed!

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Jeff:

Well, you see, it was a RAM chip and not an Eprom as I said. The thing is 
that 2 years ago not even you could tell me that SONY has it. Anyway, that's 
history now.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Carlos,

The part that you asked for was IC702.  It is a 1024 (256 x 4) static RAM in 
a 22 pin DIP case.  Last year, I search for the NEC part number UPD5101LC 
and found that it was available from SONY, part number 875915111.  It's used 
in some other gear and is not a Nakamichi IC.  If he looked hard enough, he 
too would have found that SONY had them as well as other suppliers.

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Don't you recall when I asked you for one? You said that you have only one
in a board and that you could sell me the whole board for a , well, for a
Nakamichi usual high price. You also told me that the eprom was not
available anymore from Nakamichi.   Then, Stephen found 4 in England through
a friend there at Bowers & Wilkins.

So, if I was told an story, you were part of it. That was one of my reasons
to get rid of the machine, besides the $1,700 quote for refurbishing. Unless
we are talking about another part in specific ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Hi Guys!

Do you really believe that the EPROM is unavailable?  It's an EPROM, NOT a
Nakamichi pre-programmed ROM.  Carlos, you were told a story!  Although it
MIGHT have been bad, I have NEVER had a defective one in any Nakamichi
machine.  I only stock them because I stock lots of the parts used in these
machines.

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless because of
an
unavailable EPROM, rediculious!

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Exactly.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
>
>
> > John M. Tooley writes:
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
> burn
> >> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> >>
> >> John T.
> >
> > If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's
> the
> > problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
> >
> > -Ti
> > -- 
> > Ti Kan
> > http://www.amb.org/ti
> > Vorsprung durch Technik
> >
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From flifton at mac.com  Sat Oct 30 22:52:14 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:52:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
In-Reply-To: <200410292331.i9TNVqvw028276@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200410292331.i9TNVqvw028276@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <9421148C-2AB5-11D9-81D4-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi Alan,
I reached him by phone a week or so ago. He is very behind, poor guy, 
in part b/c his teenage daughter "reorganized" some of his workspace 
for him. He's had my Luxman KX-102 and LX3 for about 4 mos. now, but 
swears he is making headway. Think of it, a teenager AND all those old 
Naks, that's a lot of finicky, high-maintenance gear!

That, BTW, is why my American Music Tape project is stalled. No decks!

best,
Fred


On Oct 29, 2004, at 4:31 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

>
> From: Alan Olan <jazzao at primus.com.au>
> Date: October 29, 2004 2:29:56 PM PDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
> Hi to all,
>
> I just wanted to know if anyone has had dealings with Stephen lately.  
> I
> have been trying to contact him via email and telephone and have gotten
> no response.  I now that he was sick in July.  He was working on my
> Nakamichi 700ZXE upgrading it and it has been nearly 10 months.   I am
> from Sydney Australia so  it will not be  easy to visit his  office in
> New Mexico.
>
> Thanks for any information you guys may have.
>
> Regards
> Alan
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct 31 02:32:12 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:32:12 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...
References: <20041028080828.CDD8221C72@smtp.amb.org><002a01c4bd18$ac42f2f0$22773242@CopyTech><1098976328.41810c489955e@mail.ce.net><00e601c4bdc7$042d0f60$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK><000e01c4be00$3671ed90$40773242@CopyTech><003301c4bdff$4e3ae810$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK><000601c4be40$a5ad5100$15773242@CopyTech>
	<00dd01c4beb6$8f8415a0$6500a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>
Message-ID: <000401c4bee1$1146fb00$80773242@CopyTech>

Ahhh, just forget it. Both of my ZXL's are gone now,so, it's history. 
Anyway, is good to know that the RAM chip in question is available.
NO hard feelings, anyway ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Carlos,

Two years ago I had assumed that it was unique because it could not be found 
by Stephen.  At the time, I did not research it outside my own Nakamichi 
inventory.  I really am very sorry!  I should not have assumed what I had 
assumed!

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Jeff:

Well, you see, it was a RAM chip and not an Eprom as I said. The thing is
that 2 years ago not even you could tell me that SONY has it. Anyway, that's
history now.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Carlos,

The part that you asked for was IC702.  It is a 1024 (256 x 4) static RAM in
a 22 pin DIP case.  Last year, I search for the NEC part number UPD5101LC
and found that it was available from SONY, part number 875915111.  It's used
in some other gear and is not a Nakamichi IC.  If he looked hard enough, he
too would have found that SONY had them as well as other suppliers.

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Don't you recall when I asked you for one? You said that you have only one
in a board and that you could sell me the whole board for a , well, for a
Nakamichi usual high price. You also told me that the eprom was not
available anymore from Nakamichi.   Then, Stephen found 4 in England through
a friend there at Bowers & Wilkins.

So, if I was told an story, you were part of it. That was one of my reasons
to get rid of the machine, besides the $1,700 quote for refurbishing. Unless
we are talking about another part in specific ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


Hi Guys!

Do you really believe that the EPROM is unavailable?  It's an EPROM, NOT a
Nakamichi pre-programmed ROM.  Carlos, you were told a story!  Although it
MIGHT have been bad, I have NEVER had a defective one in any Nakamichi
machine.  I only stock them because I stock lots of the parts used in these
machines.

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: [naktalk] No bloody EPROMS...


A real bummer! All those wonderful old cassette decks now useless because of
an
unavailable EPROM, rediculious!

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Exactly.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! Nakamachi 700 ZXL donot
>
>
> > John M. Tooley writes:
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> I have never understood why some smart computer person here couldn't
> burn
> >> copies of those Nak. EPROM's with an EPROM burner, there must be a way.
> >>
> >> John T.
> >
> > If I understand the problem correctly, it's not the programming that's
> the
> > problem.  The model of EPROM chip itself is no longer available.
> >
> > -Ti
> > -- 
> > Ti Kan
> > http://www.amb.org/ti
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> >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Oct 30 23:54:36 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:54:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] plastic lubricant
Message-ID: <7046-41840D9C-978@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>

www.vobaker.com  { I wonder if anyone would consider using a high tech
plastic lubricant on their Nak gears?This stuff is supposed to displace
dust dirt and whatever else and leave a lubricating protective
film},plastic gears do get jammed-my mitsubishi 7 tape changer got
snagged .}

thank you very much,
gerald



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct 31 00:50:48 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:50:48 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] plastic lubricant
In-Reply-To: <7046-41840D9C-978@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <002d01c4bed2$e62042a0$b7d74c51@oemcomputer>

Gerry,

Your previous audiotalk email was entitled "SEX" and now, "plastic
lubricants".  Where will you be taking us next?!

But seriously, no this is not something I've used, or indeed, even heard of
until now.  I'll be very interested to hear if any of the other guys have
tried this stuff or anything similar.

Gra'





> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 30 October 2004 22:55
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] plastic lubricant
>
>
> www.vobaker.com  { I wonder if anyone would consider using a high tech
> plastic lubricant on their Nak gears?This stuff is supposed to displace
> dust dirt and whatever else and leave a lubricating protective
> film},plastic gears do get jammed-my mitsubishi 7 tape changer got
> snagged .}
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Oct 31 11:03:53 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:03:53 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D71A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I'm still wiping the tears from my eyes :) Thanks Gra'!

-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] 
Sent: Saturday, 30 October 2004 10:22 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone Heard From Stephen Sank Lately?


Ah!  Join the club!

Actually, Stephen is away in ... I'm not supposed to tell you where ... if I
did I'd have to kill you ... .

Actually, he was planting some of his microphones in Iraq, in an attempt to
pick up messages  between Bathists to find out where are the weapons of mass
destruction.   At one point he was kidnapped by Militants but they let him
go after he fixed the head honcho's 1000 ZXL (Ltd edition) with an Emprom he
just happened have in his back pocket.  (Phew!  That could have been too
close a shave!)  He was subsequently kidnapped by the CIA because one of his
microphones picked up a signal between Saddam's 3rd cousin once removed,
Yuva bin Hadd and Saddam's Aunty Sylvia (you think Mark's a case - Sylvia is
the real "black sheep" of the Thatcher family) when they discussed the
amazing ruse they'd run for a mega international petroleum company by
spreading rumours about chemical and biological weapons being ready to fire
upon US bases on their "unsinkable aircraft carrier" (that's Britain) in 45
minutes.  It was also revealed that Michael Moore is actually the CEO of
that company (Sylvia is the company Secretary while the bin Laden's are
allegedly shareholders) and that Michael's recent film is merely another
ruse to throw everyone off the scent and blame poor George and Tony.

Stephen is now indefinitely insolitary incarcerated inGuantanamo Bay ... and
was re-baptised in his own blood by the Irish Christian Brothers amongst the
military guards and named Mohammed Nak-Ali.  All correspondence should now
be sent there, although appeals for his release will not be ignored and will
bring you to the close attention of the FBI for such an un-American
activity.

Damn!  I told you!  Now I'll have to kill you all .... but at least you'll
all die in the comforting knowledge that I'll give all your Nakamichi's a
good home.

Gra'


From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 31 03:26:53 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 04:26:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] plastic lubricant
References: <002d01c4bed2$e62042a0$b7d74c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV18tXsL1c0000019234@hotmail.com>

Dear Gra' & Gerry,

Extremely seriously...$:53.00 for a gallon, 3.80 liters of this "Plastic 
Lubricant"...when you will need only a little "Smear" of such product NOT 
only will survive your entirely "LIFE"...but will get dry also!!! 
So...please Gerry, look for products LESS cutes!!!!

Be well, and listen music trough your Nak machines, instead looking for 
"Unreal" & Unnecessary products!

Thanks,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:50 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] plastic lubricant


> Gerry,
>
> Your previous audiotalk email was entitled "SEX" and now, "plastic
> lubricants".  Where will you be taking us next?!
>
> But seriously, no this is not something I've used, or indeed, even heard 
> of
> until now.  I'll be very interested to hear if any of the other guys have
> tried this stuff or anything similar.
>
> Gra'
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of Gerald G.
>> Sent: 30 October 2004 22:55
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] plastic lubricant
>>
>>
>> www.vobaker.com  { I wonder if anyone would consider using a high tech
>> plastic lubricant on their Nak gears?This stuff is supposed to displace
>> dust dirt and whatever else and leave a lubricating protective
>> film},plastic gears do get jammed-my mitsubishi 7 tape changer got
>> snagged .}
>>
>> thank you very much,
>> gerald
>>
>>
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From ddino77 at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 31 14:06:57 2004
From: ddino77 at earthlink.net (ddino77 at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:06:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak reel to reel
Message-ID: <238380-220041003113657634@M2W077.mail2web.com>

A good friend mentioned a while back that Nakamichi once produced an open
reel (reel to reel) deck.  My curiosity has been maintained wondering if
anyone on the forum knows anything, (technical specs/history/or photos) of
this product. I would greatly appreciate any information why it was not
pursued to a greater degree by Nero N. and if it did exist how many may
still exist today. Also why is it not included in the model line-up in the
site.....

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From craig at leckband.com  Mon Nov  1 00:36:10 2004
From: craig at leckband.com (Craig Leckband)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:36:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 update
Message-ID: <418576EA.5090309@leckband.com>

Greetings,

I am now in a position to give a pittance back to the community.  I 
bought a CR-7 that had smoked its power supply.  I just got it back from 
the shop on Friday. 

It turns out that 2 large electrolytic capacitors on the power supply 
board were reading as dead shorts.  The specific capacitors in question 
were C405 (6800uF 16V) and C412(2200uF 25 V)..  The shorts in these two 
capacitors caused 2 2.5A fuses to blow on the power supply board..  We 
also decided to replace the other large value electrolytics in the power 
supply as a precaution.

Scott Johnson's FAQ has a section on orange cap disease, which I 
understand are usually some of the smaller mylar capacitors on the audio 
and dolby boards.  Kannan also has written an excellent page on Orange 
Cap replacemnt that is housed on naks.com.  Neither of these exquisite 
resources mention electrolytic capacitors failing. 

I had a friend who is an electrical engineer diagnose the deck and he 
quickly zeroed in on the power supply capacitors.  I expressed surprise 
that capacitors fail.  He said that the expected lifetime of 
electrolytic caps is about 20 years, and can be less if the component 
has been in storage for a long time as my deck had been.

The story has a happy ending.  I now am enjoying long lost music on an 
exquisite deck that has been brought back to life with 10 dollars worth 
of parts.  

Future enhancements will be to look into a noisy drive mechanism.  I 
suspect this is the usual idler problem.  I will replace the wheel in 
the short term and look into performning the gear drive upgrade.  If 
anyone has performed the operation, I would love any write up you have 
on the procedure.  I have the service manual recipe, but a picture or 
two would help immensely. 

I hope that others may find this tidbit useful in the ongoing quest to 
keep our decks working.  Thanks for everyone's help.

Peace,

Craig Leckband





From jhkim at pentamicro.com  Mon Nov  1 08:37:15 2004
From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (jhkim)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:37:15 +0900
Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Idler Tire Replacement
References: <OF338E7D52.16FDBCB7-ONCA256F3B.0082AE15@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <0b6701c4bfe5$9c21bfd0$0f01a8c0@jhkim>

HI all.
I have replaced idler tire of my CR-5 deck. After replacing it works well.

I also tired to replace idler tire of my RX-202 deck. But I falied to reaplce it.
To reaplce idler tire, metal plate must be removed, but I don't know how to remove it from rx-202 deck.

Please let me know how to remove metal plate from rx-202 deck to replace idler tire.

Thanks

Jonghyeon Kim
Seoul, Korea
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 16:59:31 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:59:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 update
In-Reply-To: <418576EA.5090309@leckband.com>
Message-ID: <20041101155931.80868.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com>

It is fairly unusual for the electrolytic capacitors to fail in Nak
tape decks, but, they do fail.  To fail shorted is a very unusual
case.  Normally they lose their capacitace due to the electrolyte
drying out.  This is accelerated by temperature, use and running near
their voltage and current limits.  Even if the capacitor loose half
their capacitance it usually doesn't cause to many problems since
there are voltage regulators down stream as well as local capacitors
next to the IC's.  Plus the op-amps have a fairly high power supply
noise rejection.

The orange cap disease is a chronic problem with some decks and can
take many hours to track down.  It's best to just replace them all at
the first sight of the problem.  When the power supply caps fail they
are found fairly quickly since the first place a good troubleshooter
looks is the power supply outputs.

Scott J.


--- Craig Leckband <craig at leckband.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I am now in a position to give a pittance back to the community.  I
> 
> bought a CR-7 that had smoked its power supply.  I just got it back
> from 
> the shop on Friday. 
> 
> It turns out that 2 large electrolytic capacitors on the power
> supply 
> board were reading as dead shorts.  The specific capacitors in
> question 
> were C405 (6800uF 16V) and C412(2200uF 25 V)..  The shorts in these
> two 
> capacitors caused 2 2.5A fuses to blow on the power supply board.. 
> We 
> also decided to replace the other large value electrolytics in the
> power 
> supply as a precaution.
> 
> Scott Johnson's FAQ has a section on orange cap disease, which I 
> understand are usually some of the smaller mylar capacitors on the
> audio 
> and dolby boards.  Kannan also has written an excellent page on
> Orange 
> Cap replacemnt that is housed on naks.com.  Neither of these
> exquisite 
> resources mention electrolytic capacitors failing. 
> 
> I had a friend who is an electrical engineer diagnose the deck and
> he 
> quickly zeroed in on the power supply capacitors.  I expressed
> surprise 
> that capacitors fail.  He said that the expected lifetime of 
> electrolytic caps is about 20 years, and can be less if the
> component 
> has been in storage for a long time as my deck had been.
> 
> The story has a happy ending.  I now am enjoying long lost music on
> an 
> exquisite deck that has been brought back to life with 10 dollars
> worth 
> of parts.  
> 
> Future enhancements will be to look into a noisy drive mechanism. 
> I 
> suspect this is the usual idler problem.  I will replace the wheel
> in 
> the short term and look into performning the gear drive upgrade. 
> If 
> anyone has performed the operation, I would love any write up you
> have 
> on the procedure.  I have the service manual recipe, but a picture
> or 
> two would help immensely. 
> 
> I hope that others may find this tidbit useful in the ongoing quest
> to 
> keep our decks working.  Thanks for everyone's help.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Craig Leckband
> 
> 
> 
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Nov  2 15:41:02 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:41:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-100 for sale...MX-100 for sale
Message-ID: <009501c4c0ea$0067cf20$7d6723c8@g8nsv>

Hi to all my Nak friends!!!!!

I found a couple of Nakamichi BA-100 (Bridging Adaptor) in their original boxes at my local Nak technician.... I am not going to use them so I want to find them a good home.....Anyone interested please contact me off list. Asking price  US$70 plus shipping....

I also have a MX-100 up for grabs....it doesn't have the box but I will pack it perfectly....Price for this one is US$60 plus shipping...

Thanks a lot

Isy
fidelman at telcel.net.ve
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  2 06:47:05 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 05:47:05 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Idler Tire Replacement
Message-ID: <BAY101-F32yEXUIEAOe00001401@hotmail.com>


>HI all. I have replaced idler tire of my CR-5 deck. After replacing it 
>works well. I also tired to replace idler tire of my RX-202 deck. But I 
>falied to reaplce it. To reaplce idler tire, metal plate must be removed, 
>but I don't know how to remove it from rx-202 deck. Please let me know how 
>to remove metal plate from rx-202 deck to replace idler tire. Thanks
>
>Jonghyeon Kim
>Seoul, Korea

Hi Jonghyeon,

Well, I have attached the instructions that Stephen Sank sent me all those 
years ago when I asked the exact same question. Actually the instructions 
are very easy to follow, it should not take you more than an hour to do 
this.

Kelvin.

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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Tue Nov  2 17:54:20 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:54:20 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-100 for sale...MX-100 for sale
References: <009501c4c0ea$0067cf20$7d6723c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <001801c4c0fc$99b84b20$d21b0cd0@r7g1f8>

What are bridging adaptors???

Randall
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Isy Fidelman 
  To: Naktalk mailinglist 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:41 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-100 for sale...MX-100 for sale


  Hi to all my Nak friends!!!!!

  I found a couple of Nakamichi BA-100 (Bridging Adaptor) in their original boxes at my local Nak technician.... I am not going to use them so I want to find them a good home.....Anyone interested please contact me off list. Asking price  US$70 plus shipping....

  I also have a MX-100 up for grabs....it doesn't have the box but I will pack it perfectly....Price for this one is US$60 plus shipping...

  Thanks a lot

  Isy
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From psburress at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov  2 19:18:41 2004
From: psburress at worldnet.att.net (Proctor Burress)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:18:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Play Mode Not Operative
Message-ID: <001001c4c108$6281f640$403b4a0c@c1q5m4>

I would appreciate list members help to isolate the problem
with the "play mode" of my LX-3.

With a cassette in place, the pla button does not activate anything.

Forward and Reverse appear to be working fine and I have replaced the 
idler tire and cleaned the pinch rollers.

I realize this could be a problem in the electronics. Thanks to all for
any trouble shooting suggestions.

Proctor
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 20:49:20 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:49:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-100 for sale...MX-100 for sale
In-Reply-To: <001801c4c0fc$99b84b20$d21b0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <20041102194920.34963.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com>

If I'm not mistaken the bridging adapter will take a mono signal in
(or stereo summed to mono) and generate two output signals.  One is
in phase with the input and one is 180 degrees out of phase with the
same amplitude as the in phase output.

These are used to convert a stereo amplifier into a bridged mono
amplifiers.  The in phase and out of phase signals are sent to the R
& L inputs of the amplifier and the mono speaker is wired to the R+
and L+ outputs (with nothing connected to the R- and L- outputs).
Voila.  A bridge mono amplifier.

All it takes is one maybe two op-amps.  Schematics for doing this are
all over the net, but, the BA-100 will do it for you in a nice box. 
I'm not sure if the BA-100 requires Black Box power from the older
generation of Nak tape decks or if it can run on a wall wart or AC
cord.

SJ
--- Babin/Greseth <jvbrhg at seanet.com> wrote:

> What are bridging adaptors???
> 
> Randall
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Isy Fidelman 
>   To: Naktalk mailinglist 
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:41 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-100 for sale...MX-100 for sale
> 
> 
>   Hi to all my Nak friends!!!!!
> 
>   I found a couple of Nakamichi BA-100 (Bridging Adaptor) in their
> original boxes at my local Nak technician.... I am not going to use
> them so I want to find them a good home.....Anyone interested
> please contact me off list. Asking price  US$70 plus shipping....
> 
>   I also have a MX-100 up for grabs....it doesn't have the box but
> I will pack it perfectly....Price for this one is US$60 plus
> shipping...
> 
>   Thanks a lot
> 
>   Isy
>   fidelman at telcel.net.ve
> 
> 
> 
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Tue Nov  2 21:41:30 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:41:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the capstan...
Message-ID: <001a01c4c11c$5576a360$d21b0cd0@r7g1f8>

Fellow Naktalkers-

I received as a gift a nicely preserved RX 505.  I have been cleaning the exterior case, heads etc.  The capstans were very very dirty. I have used alcohol with a Q-tip and they came fairly clean, but you can still see a "print" of oxide on the capstan.

Any solutions? Suggestions? Or...not to worry.  It seems to record and playback just fine.  


Randall
Seattle, WA 
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  2 22:47:09 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:47:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the capstan...
References: <001a01c4c11c$5576a360$d21b0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV14BcKfExvW00002047@hotmail.com>

Hi Randall,

Continue cleaning with a Q-tip, using the most "Pure" alcohol NOT any colored rubbing alcohol, till your Q-tip after cleaning looks "White"..with NO yellow coating and if still any "Print" of oxide on the capstan....leave as this, as NO harm and be 100% sure that will do the job well. Of course after 5 two sides playing and or recording cassettes...clean up the whole "Touching" parts, and also extremely important..."Degaussed" the heads, capstan and pinch rollers...after doing the cleaning!

Enjoy your machine and happy listening!

Cheers,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Babin/Greseth 
  To: NAKTALK 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:41 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the capstan...


  Fellow Naktalkers-

  I received as a gift a nicely preserved RX 505.  I have been cleaning the exterior case, heads etc.  The capstans were very very dirty. I have used alcohol with a Q-tip and they came fairly clean, but you can still see a "print" of oxide on the capstan.

  Any solutions? Suggestions? Or...not to worry.  It seems to record and playback just fine.  


  Randall
  Seattle, WA 


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From flifton at mac.com  Fri Nov  5 04:27:41 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:27:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman KX102 manual
Message-ID: <A64F9F38-2EDA-11D9-A38F-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
I was finally able to scan in the owner's manual for my Luxman KX102  
deck. If anyone would like a copy it's available from here:

http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default? 
user=flifton&templatefn=FileSharing3.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.3.xml&sitefn= 
RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en

Sorry about the long URL. I skipped scanning the French and German  
versions, but if someone wants them, just ask.

best wishes,
Fred



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Nov  5 12:37:21 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:37:21 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman KX102 manual
In-Reply-To: <A64F9F38-2EDA-11D9-A38F-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001501c4c32b$d0033e20$e2dd883e@oemcomputer>

Fred

I believe George Bush would like a copy of the French and German manuals ...

Grinham

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Fred Lifton
> Sent: 05 November 2004 03:28
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Luxman KX102 manual
>
>
> Hi all,
> I was finally able to scan in the owner's manual for my Luxman KX102
> deck. If anyone would like a copy it's available from here:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?
> user=flifton&templatefn=FileSharing3.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.3.xml&sitefn=
> RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en
>
> Sorry about the long URL. I skipped scanning the French and German
> versions, but if someone wants them, just ask.
>
> best wishes,
> Fred
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Fri Nov  5 13:38:53 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:38:53 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-710 Mk 1 Cassette Deck ,
	Need owner and service manual PLEASE HELP!!
Message-ID: <1df.2e287a00.2ebcce5d@aol.com>

Dear Friends!  I need a instruction and service manual for the Beautiful 
Revox B 710 Mark 1  Cassette Deck that I am trying to fix myself. The problem with 
this beauty is that the electronic digital counter does not count! the clock 
and timer is working fine! also when the red record button is pressed the 
recording mode is not engaged. The fast foward, rewind and play is working  but 
the both the fast forward & rewing stops after a few seconds as the electronic 
counter is not counting . Also in play mode only the left channel audio can be 
heard the right audio in mute. Connecting a source to record from like the cd 
player both the left/right audio the  pre-amp section is passing the signal 
without any problem.

Any help solving the above mentioned problem with this beautiful! machine 
together with an email copy in PDF form that can be opened in the JPEG format and 
not ZIP file form will be GREATLY APPRCECIATED!!

Thanks!
With Best Regards!
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Nov  5 14:48:49 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 8:48:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-710 Mk 1 Cassette Deck ,
Message-ID: <20041105134848.BTPS4706.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Try here

http://www.schori.info/b200s/smdownload.htm


> 
> From: BOEING747600 at aol.com
> Date: 2004/11/05 Fri AM 07:38:53 EST
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-710 Mk 1 Cassette Deck ,
> 	Need owner and service manual PLEASE HELP!!
> 
> Dear Friends!  I need a instruction and service manual for the Beautiful 
> Revox B 710 Mark 1  Cassette Deck that I am trying to fix myself. The problem with 
> this beauty is that the electronic digital counter does not count! the clock 
> and timer is working fine! also when the red record button is pressed the 
> recording mode is not engaged. The fast foward, rewind and play is working  but 
> the both the fast forward & rewing stops after a few seconds as the electronic 
> counter is not counting . Also in play mode only the left channel audio can be 
> heard the right audio in mute. Connecting a source to record from like the cd 
> player both the left/right audio the  pre-amp section is passing the signal 
> without any problem.
> 
> Any help solving the above mentioned problem with this beautiful! machine 
> together with an email copy in PDF form that can be opened in the JPEG format and 
> not ZIP file form will be GREATLY APPRCECIATED!!
> 
> Thanks!
> With Best Regards!
> Ali
> 
> 

Roland
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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  7 07:59:31 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:59:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 vs. RX505
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV8bEG10Gai40000ccfb@hotmail.com>

Hello all,
I have a ZX7 and an RX505 (also). I started a "great calibration project" on my decks.
The ZX7 was/is used as a reference, and the others are/will be calibrated to "perfect" compatibility to this.
Yesterday the RX505 got onto my table.

I was totally shocked how sensitive this deck is to the quality of the cassette used.
While the ZX7 is able to squeeze out the best of practically ANY sort of tape (even those unkown types, suffering from azimuth-errors, and huge level-differences in input and output), the RX505 definitely FAILS to make good recordings to these inferior tapes.

I simply do not understand, what is the real use of a 3-head deck without calibrating functions, and without tuning either record or playback head. Because the record head is a given distance from the playback head, it is just not usable to azimuth-error tapes, this will be always mis-aligned.
In case of a 2-head design, it would be no problem, because the record head is just "aligned" with the playback head. In this respect, a 2-head RX202 seems to be a more usable deck for recording...???!!! No azimuth problems, at least.

The ZX7-records sound perfectly on the RX505 also (as it is aligned), but I am very disappointed in the recording capabilities of this very spectacular deck.

Any opinions, please? Mr. Bleus, you have both (RX and ZX) also, do you have any comments on my (maybe wrong) experience?

Thank you in advance for all comments.
Best regards,
István
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From fredlf at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  6 02:37:39 2004
From: fredlf at earthlink.net (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:37:39 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] output level
Message-ID: <71C1B8BE-2F94-11D9-A0D1-000D93C246E2@earthlink.net>

Hello all,
Here's another dumb question from me. I've heard said, and practice 
bears out, that running an amp beyond 12 o'clock or so (about -14db on 
my Lux C02 preamp) pushes it beyond it's maximum efficiency and risks 
damage. But does this hold true for the level control on a tape deck? I 
ask because I have to turn the level on my CR3a all the way up to have 
it equal the output from record or CD.

Please no laughing. It's been a difficult election.

to music,
Fred



From man626 at webtv.net  Sun Nov  7 03:21:53 2004
From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:21:53 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
Message-ID: <22468-418D86C1-972@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net>

I would like to know as much as i can about these two noise reduction
systems.I am trying to find out if its worth keeping  decks using these
systems,becauseI have a couple of decks with DbX,and an outboard Dbx
unit,and an unit with HX Pro.Does anyone still use these systems instead
of dolby for recording  from other units,recording live, or with their
Naks? I do not have very many prerecorded cassettes with DBX or H-Pro,so
i am lookng for a reason not to keep these units to make some room in
the house. I'm trying to see if this message will post because ive had
to try and use a different    e-mail address .THANks 



From roleo at telus.net  Sun Nov  7 05:22:19 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:22:19 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Remote Signal Converter
Message-ID: <000901c4c481$5ff73bc0$6401a8c0@desktop>

This is a rare piece that allows you to run many Nak cassette decks using a Nak system remote:

Nakamichi RC-4 Remote Signal Converter.  I think someone was looking for one of these a while 
back...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5729192445

I have one and it works great. I used it with the Dragon, CR-5 & 7 and the RX-505.  I think it 
works with others too.

Closes soon.

-- Roland 



From roleo at telus.net  Sat Nov  6 23:04:27 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:04:27 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak TV??
References: <20041101155931.80868.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c4c44c$95dcf160$6401a8c0@desktop>

Is this for real?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=58&item=3851198340&rd=1


From ti at amb.org  Sun Nov  7 12:42:29 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:42:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
In-Reply-To: <22468-418D86C1-972@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> from "Gerald
	G." at Nov 06, 2004 08:21:53 PM
Message-ID: <20041107114230.3B3842400B@smtp.amb.org>

Gerald G. writes:
> I would like to know as much as i can about these two noise reduction
> systems.I am trying to find out if its worth keeping  decks using these
> systems,becauseI have a couple of decks with DbX,and an outboard Dbx
> unit,and an unit with HX Pro.Does anyone still use these systems instead
> of dolby for recording  from other units,recording live, or with their
> Naks? I do not have very many prerecorded cassettes with DBX or H-Pro,so
> i am lookng for a reason not to keep these units to make some room in
> the house. I'm trying to see if this message will post because ive had
> to try and use a different    e-mail address .THANks 

HX-Pro is not a noise reduction system.  "HX" stands for Headroom-eXtension.
It's a system that was originally developed by Bang & Olufsen and then
became licensed by Dolby.  Basically, it dynamically varies the bias signal
level based on the audio level, to increase the high frequency recording
headroom (i.e., raise the threshold of rapidly rising distortion and
reduced frequency response).  It functions only during recording
(not playback).  HX-Pro can be quite effective, and some rather inexpensive
decks got quite good frequency response and distortion specs due to its
use.  Nakamichi never adopted this, and indeed the basic head, transport
and electronic design is so good that Naks didn't need HX-Pro to perform
well.

dbx on the other hand is a noise reduction system based on dynamic range
compression and expansion.  It compresses during recording and expands
during playback.  The compression keeps the signals above the tape noise
floor, and the expansion restores the original dynamics while lowering the
noise floor.  It is highly effective, but can cause "breathing" effects
where the tape hiss noise floor is modulated by large changes in audio
dynamics.  dbx-encoded tapes must be played with a deck with a dbx decoder
(or used with an outboard dbx decoder), otherwise the compressed dynamic
range makes the music quite unlistenable.  Nak never licensed dbx on its
decks either, but once offered a separate outboard noise reduction module
called "Hi-Com" (and a 2nd-gen "Hi-Com II") that worked somewhat similarly.

-Ti
-- 
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http://www.amb.org/ti
Vorsprung durch Technik



From ti at amb.org  Sun Nov  7 12:51:56 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 03:51:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] output level
In-Reply-To: <71C1B8BE-2F94-11D9-A0D1-000D93C246E2@earthlink.net> from "Fred
	Lifton" at Nov 05, 2004 05:37:39 PM
Message-ID: <20041107115156.CDA402400B@smtp.amb.org>

Fred Lifton writes:
> Here's another dumb question from me. I've heard said, and practice 
> bears out, that running an amp beyond 12 o'clock or so (about -14db on 
> my Lux C02 preamp) pushes it beyond it's maximum efficiency and risks 
> damage. But does this hold true for the level control on a tape deck? I 
> ask because I have to turn the level on my CR3a all the way up to have 
> it equal the output from record or CD.

Neither is strictly true.  The position of the volume (or level controls)
and the resultant volume are dependent on the output level of the previous
stage and the voltage gain of the unit in question.  For example, if
you use a phono cartridge with relatively low output, and your phono stage
gain is not very high, then the amp's volume control must be turned up
more to get acceptable listening levels.  Just because you might have to
turn the knob past the 12 o'clock position doesn't mean there is a loss
of efficiency or impending damage.

Same example goes for the tape deck.  If the source you're recording from
has low output levels, then the recording level control must be turned up
more to make up for it.  The same goes for the output side as well.
If the tape deck's playback voltage gain is low compared to your CD
player's, then you'd have to turn the output level control up to have
it equal your CD player.

In summary, if you don't hear any obvious distortion (caused by clipping,
etc) then you don't need to worry about anything.

-Ti
-- 
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Vorsprung durch Technik



From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  7 13:18:00 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:18:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
References: <20041107114230.3B3842400B@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV2RPTNZStgL0000d4be@hotmail.com>

Hello Ti,
you seem to be well aware what is what on the tape-recorders... :-)

Can you tell me what DNL and Dolby NR is? I see them on a TriTracer 1000,
but I have no the vaguest idea about DNL, and do not know, what Dolby NR
(not mentioned if B or C, probably A?) is.
Also, Limiter switch is on my TT1000, but that seems to be ineffective, it
may work only with mic-recording?

Your expert advice highly appreciated.

Thank you!
István



--- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX


> Gerald G. writes:
> > I would like to know as much as i can about these two noise reduction
> > systems.I am trying to find out if its worth keeping  decks using these
> > systems,becauseI have a couple of decks with DbX,and an outboard Dbx
> > unit,and an unit with HX Pro.Does anyone still use these systems instead
> > of dolby for recording  from other units,recording live, or with their
> > Naks? I do not have very many prerecorded cassettes with DBX or H-Pro,so
> > i am lookng for a reason not to keep these units to make some room in
> > the house. I'm trying to see if this message will post because ive had
> > to try and use a different    e-mail address .THANks
>
> HX-Pro is not a noise reduction system.  "HX" stands for
Headroom-eXtension.
> It's a system that was originally developed by Bang & Olufsen and then
> became licensed by Dolby.  Basically, it dynamically varies the bias
signal
> level based on the audio level, to increase the high frequency recording
> headroom (i.e., raise the threshold of rapidly rising distortion and
> reduced frequency response).  It functions only during recording
> (not playback).  HX-Pro can be quite effective, and some rather
inexpensive
> decks got quite good frequency response and distortion specs due to its
> use.  Nakamichi never adopted this, and indeed the basic head, transport
> and electronic design is so good that Naks didn't need HX-Pro to perform
> well.
>
> dbx on the other hand is a noise reduction system based on dynamic range
> compression and expansion.  It compresses during recording and expands
> during playback.  The compression keeps the signals above the tape noise
> floor, and the expansion restores the original dynamics while lowering the
> noise floor.  It is highly effective, but can cause "breathing" effects
> where the tape hiss noise floor is modulated by large changes in audio
> dynamics.  dbx-encoded tapes must be played with a deck with a dbx decoder
> (or used with an outboard dbx decoder), otherwise the compressed dynamic
> range makes the music quite unlistenable.  Nak never licensed dbx on its
> decks either, but once offered a separate outboard noise reduction module
> called "Hi-Com" (and a 2nd-gen "Hi-Com II") that worked somewhat
similarly.
>
> -Ti
> -- 
> Ti Kan
> http://www.amb.org/ti
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>
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sun Nov  7 15:10:58 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:10:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-DAV2RPTNZStgL0000d4be@hotmail.com>
References: <20041107114230.3B3842400B@smtp.amb.org>
	<BAY22-DAV2RPTNZStgL0000d4be@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041107085641.02231168@pop.iquebec.com>

At 07:18 11/07/2004, you wrote:
>Hello Ti,
>you seem to be well aware what is what on the tape-recorders... :-)
>
>Can you tell me what DNL and Dolby NR is? I see them on a TriTracer 1000,
>but I have no the vaguest idea about DNL, and do not know, what Dolby NR
>(not mentioned if B or C, probably A?) is.
>Also, Limiter switch is on my TT1000, but that seems to be ineffective, it
>may work only with mic-recording?

István,

Dolby NR stands for "Noise Reduction". Recent decks give you a choice 
between B and C type of noise reduction. Older decks did not offer such a 
choice as Dolby C was not yet invented. Therefore, Dolby NR on older decks 
is the same as Dolby B. Dolby A is a professional standard only found in 
recording studios.

DNL stands dor "Dynamic Noise Limiter". I think it was developed by 
Philips. It is a playback only noise filter that dynamically adjusts to 
filter more or less noise based on music content. It cuts down some noise 
but also, unfortunately, some music. You may or may not like the effect.

I do not remember the limiter switch on the TT1000 but I am pretty sure it 
prevents signal going "into the red" when recording. It limits the peak, 
the idea behind this being that some compression is less objectionable than 
excessive distortion. Try recording at a level that is intentionally much 
too high and turn the limiter on and off while recording to experiment its 
effect. It may very well be effective only when using the microphone inputs 
depending where it is inserted in the circuitry.





From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Nov  7 17:28:41 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:28:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Deck Output Signal Strenth
Message-ID: <001101c4c4e6$d8720610$6400a8c0@robertbwpur6ye>

Hi Fred,

I have a Dragon, CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, RX-505, and 2 Cassette Deck 1s, all set up in different systems for different uses.  I find that pretty uniformly I have to set the output level of the decks at from 3/4 to full output to equal the output levels of CD/DVD players.  I have even tried switching to different inputs on the amps to see if it might make a difference, and it doesn't.  I have a feeling that the difference is due to the fact that in the glory days of cassettes, the only source inputs were typically Tape, Tuner, and Phono (with a token AUX for who knows what).  The Phono of course has a different preamp stage from the other inputs, and tuners would have a somewhat variable output depending on signal strength, so the differences were not as noticable.  I also wondered whether the age of the decks may have degraded the output signal strength, but it is so uniform from deck to deck that I don't think that is true either.  It seems that modern CD/DVD players simply have higher signal output levels than our antique decks.

Robert Kent

Fred Wrote:

Hello all,
Here's another dumb question from me. I've heard said, and practice 
bears out, that running an amp beyond 12 o'clock or so (about -14db on 
my Lux C02 preamp) pushes it beyond it's maximum efficiency and risks 
damage. But does this hold true for the level control on a tape deck? I 
ask because I have to turn the level on my CR3a all the way up to have 
it equal the output from record or CD.

Please no laughing. It's been a difficult election.

to music,
Fred

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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  7 18:59:56 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:59:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
References: <20041107114230.3B3842400B@smtp.amb.org><BAY22-DAV2RPTNZStgL0000d4be@hotmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20041107085641.02231168@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV94GGgx1KgZ0000db40@hotmail.com>

Marc,
thank you very much for your answer.
I was afraid the TT1000's DolbyNR is not compatible with the Dolby of recent
decks.
So it is, as you wrote, it is Dolby B.

Regarding DNL I will listen carefully, and try to define/find what the real
effect is.

The limiter exist on the TT1000, I thought the same you wrote, but until now
I did not have the opportunity to play with that thoroughly... I will check
it later.

Thank you again!
István
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Denis" <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX


> At 07:18 11/07/2004, you wrote:
> >Hello Ti,
> >you seem to be well aware what is what on the tape-recorders... :-)
> >
> >Can you tell me what DNL and Dolby NR is? I see them on a TriTracer 1000,
> >but I have no the vaguest idea about DNL, and do not know, what Dolby NR
> >(not mentioned if B or C, probably A?) is.
> >Also, Limiter switch is on my TT1000, but that seems to be ineffective,
it
> >may work only with mic-recording?
>
> István,
>
> Dolby NR stands for "Noise Reduction". Recent decks give you a choice
> between B and C type of noise reduction. Older decks did not offer such a
> choice as Dolby C was not yet invented. Therefore, Dolby NR on older decks
> is the same as Dolby B. Dolby A is a professional standard only found in
> recording studios.
>
> DNL stands dor "Dynamic Noise Limiter". I think it was developed by
> Philips. It is a playback only noise filter that dynamically adjusts to
> filter more or less noise based on music content. It cuts down some noise
> but also, unfortunately, some music. You may or may not like the effect.
>
> I do not remember the limiter switch on the TT1000 but I am pretty sure it
> prevents signal going "into the red" when recording. It limits the peak,
> the idea behind this being that some compression is less objectionable
than
> excessive distortion. Try recording at a level that is intentionally much
> too high and turn the limiter on and off while recording to experiment its
> effect. It may very well be effective only when using the microphone
inputs
> depending where it is inserted in the circuitry.
>
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Nov  7 13:45:10 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:45:10 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
In-Reply-To: <20041107114230.3B3842400B@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <001701c4c4c7$9e03c640$f6fb4c51@oemcomputer>

Ti wrote

"Nak never licensed dbx on its decks either, but once offered a separate
outboard noise reduction module called "Hi-Com" (and a 2nd-gen "Hi-Com II")
that worked somewhat similarly."

I have a very clean 120v Hi Com unit I was intending to put on eBay.  But if
anyone's desperate for one and would like to make a sensible offer in
advance ...

Gra'
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Nov  7 14:01:31 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:01:31 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-DAV2RPTNZStgL0000d4be@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801c4c4c9$e6d1db80$f6fb4c51@oemcomputer>

I'll have a go at this:  Ti, correct my errors, please!

DNL - Dynamic Noise Limiter - used to reduce the sound of tape hiss on
playback only.
Dolby NR - this will be Dolby B - i.e. Used to encode on record and decode
on playback to reduce the sound of tape hiss
Limiter - This compresses the dynamic range of the signal being recorded.
Particlarly useful for recording the voice because, when people speak they
often do so at very different volumes. The Limiter irons out some of those
differences to produce a flatter volume on playback.  Some use this also for
music, where the dynamic range of a live performance may be too much for the
poor old cassette to cope with!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Sándor István
> Sent: 07 November 2004 12:18
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
>
>
> Hello Ti,
> you seem to be well aware what is what on the tape-recorders... :-)
>
> Can you tell me what DNL and Dolby NR is? I see them on a TriTracer 1000,
> but I have no the vaguest idea about DNL, and do not know, what Dolby NR
> (not mentioned if B or C, probably A?) is.
> Also, Limiter switch is on my TT1000, but that seems to be ineffective, it
> may work only with mic-recording?
>
> Your expert advice highly appreciated.
>
> Thank you!
> István
>
>
>
> --- Original Message -----
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
>
>
> > Gerald G. writes:
> > > I would like to know as much as i can about these two noise reduction
> > > systems.I am trying to find out if its worth keeping  decks
> using these
> > > systems,becauseI have a couple of decks with DbX,and an outboard Dbx
> > > unit,and an unit with HX Pro.Does anyone still use these
> systems instead
> > > of dolby for recording  from other units,recording live, or with their
> > > Naks? I do not have very many prerecorded cassettes with DBX
> or H-Pro,so
> > > i am lookng for a reason not to keep these units to make some room in
> > > the house. I'm trying to see if this message will post because ive had
> > > to try and use a different    e-mail address .THANks
> >
> > HX-Pro is not a noise reduction system.  "HX" stands for
> Headroom-eXtension.
> > It's a system that was originally developed by Bang & Olufsen and then
> > became licensed by Dolby.  Basically, it dynamically varies the bias
> signal
> > level based on the audio level, to increase the high frequency recording
> > headroom (i.e., raise the threshold of rapidly rising distortion and
> > reduced frequency response).  It functions only during recording
> > (not playback).  HX-Pro can be quite effective, and some rather
> inexpensive
> > decks got quite good frequency response and distortion specs due to its
> > use.  Nakamichi never adopted this, and indeed the basic head, transport
> > and electronic design is so good that Naks didn't need HX-Pro to perform
> > well.
> >
> > dbx on the other hand is a noise reduction system based on dynamic range
> > compression and expansion.  It compresses during recording and expands
> > during playback.  The compression keeps the signals above the tape noise
> > floor, and the expansion restores the original dynamics while
> lowering the
> > noise floor.  It is highly effective, but can cause "breathing" effects
> > where the tape hiss noise floor is modulated by large changes in audio
> > dynamics.  dbx-encoded tapes must be played with a deck with a
> dbx decoder
> > (or used with an outboard dbx decoder), otherwise the compressed dynamic
> > range makes the music quite unlistenable.  Nak never licensed dbx on its
> > decks either, but once offered a separate outboard noise
> reduction module
> > called "Hi-Com" (and a 2nd-gen "Hi-Com II") that worked somewhat
> similarly.
> >
> > -Ti
> > --
> > Ti Kan
> > http://www.amb.org/ti
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> >
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From halfacor at prodigy.net.mx  Sun Nov  7 14:07:12 2004
From: halfacor at prodigy.net.mx (Helenio Alfarache)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:07:12 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nak TV??
References: <20041101155931.80868.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com>
	<000601c4c44c$95dcf160$6401a8c0@desktop>
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Roland:
Pease send me your eMail address again.
Helenio
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Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 4:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak TV??


> Is this for real?
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  7 17:23:51 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:23:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] output level
References: <71C1B8BE-2F94-11D9-A0D1-000D93C246E2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV9davN3qljW0000fbb7@hotmail.com>

Shalom Fred,

I don't know how told you such "Histories"...?, However when you turn to the 
Right, less the resistance from the Potentiometer...and better sound! All 
depends if you have an en efficiently speaker or not!!! Regarding the output 
level of a Nak machine doesn't matter, was made first for 
headphones...however I and all the Nak owners use such lovely feature to 
"Level" among recording (Source)...and what you hear on Playback (Tape), as 
I do...switch back and forth the "Monitor" lever on my SP-9/2 control 
unit...till I hear the same level (Volume)...from the source (Lp 
record/Cd/Tuner), and or from the tape..when the lever is switch back to 
"Tape' position. It's crystal clear...Fred????? Thanks!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <fredlf at earthlink.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:37 AM
Subject: [naktalk] output level


> Hello all,
> Here's another dumb question from me. I've heard said, and practice bears 
> out, that running an amp beyond 12 o'clock or so (about -14db on my Lux 
> C02 preamp) pushes it beyond it's maximum efficiency and risks damage. But 
> does this hold true for the level control on a tape deck? I ask because I 
> have to turn the level on my CR3a all the way up to have it equal the 
> output from record or CD.
>
> Please no laughing. It's been a difficult election.
>
> to music,
> Fred
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  7 17:26:11 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:26:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
References: <20041107114230.3B3842400B@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV1pTljBOh8s0000ff2b@hotmail.com>

Bravo Ti...! Superb and very clear explanation!!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX


> Gerald G. writes:
>> I would like to know as much as i can about these two noise reduction
>> systems.I am trying to find out if its worth keeping  decks using these
>> systems,becauseI have a couple of decks with DbX,and an outboard Dbx
>> unit,and an unit with HX Pro.Does anyone still use these systems instead
>> of dolby for recording  from other units,recording live, or with their
>> Naks? I do not have very many prerecorded cassettes with DBX or H-Pro,so
>> i am lookng for a reason not to keep these units to make some room in
>> the house. I'm trying to see if this message will post because ive had
>> to try and use a different    e-mail address .THANks
>
> HX-Pro is not a noise reduction system.  "HX" stands for 
> Headroom-eXtension.
> It's a system that was originally developed by Bang & Olufsen and then
> became licensed by Dolby.  Basically, it dynamically varies the bias 
> signal
> level based on the audio level, to increase the high frequency recording
> headroom (i.e., raise the threshold of rapidly rising distortion and
> reduced frequency response).  It functions only during recording
> (not playback).  HX-Pro can be quite effective, and some rather 
> inexpensive
> decks got quite good frequency response and distortion specs due to its
> use.  Nakamichi never adopted this, and indeed the basic head, transport
> and electronic design is so good that Naks didn't need HX-Pro to perform
> well.
>
> dbx on the other hand is a noise reduction system based on dynamic range
> compression and expansion.  It compresses during recording and expands
> during playback.  The compression keeps the signals above the tape noise
> floor, and the expansion restores the original dynamics while lowering the
> noise floor.  It is highly effective, but can cause "breathing" effects
> where the tape hiss noise floor is modulated by large changes in audio
> dynamics.  dbx-encoded tapes must be played with a deck with a dbx decoder
> (or used with an outboard dbx decoder), otherwise the compressed dynamic
> range makes the music quite unlistenable.  Nak never licensed dbx on its
> decks either, but once offered a separate outboard noise reduction module
> called "Hi-Com" (and a 2nd-gen "Hi-Com II") that worked somewhat 
> similarly.
>
> -Ti
> -- 
> Ti Kan
> http://www.amb.org/ti
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  7 17:32:40 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:32:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
References: <20041107114230.3B3842400B@smtp.amb.org>
	<BAY22-DAV2RPTNZStgL0000d4be@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV7l4maEqxGG0000fdc3@hotmail.com>

Shalom Itsván,

As I had and use a 1000/2 the DNL was invented by Philips and is effective 
ONLY at playback. As Nak improved the electronics was NOT more necessary 
such DNL noise playback reduction.
Concerning the "Limiter",,was a Nak idea for NOT saturate the electronics, 
when you use Microphones...goes till "0" and NOT more...today is also 
abandoned!

Alex!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sándor István" <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX


> Hello Ti,
> you seem to be well aware what is what on the tape-recorders... :-)
>
> Can you tell me what DNL and Dolby NR is? I see them on a TriTracer 1000,
> but I have no the vaguest idea about DNL, and do not know, what Dolby NR
> (not mentioned if B or C, probably A?) is.
> Also, Limiter switch is on my TT1000, but that seems to be ineffective, it
> may work only with mic-recording?
>
> Your expert advice highly appreciated.
>
> Thank you!
> István
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
>
>
>> Gerald G. writes:
>> > I would like to know as much as i can about these two noise reduction
>> > systems.I am trying to find out if its worth keeping  decks using these
>> > systems,becauseI have a couple of decks with DbX,and an outboard Dbx
>> > unit,and an unit with HX Pro.Does anyone still use these systems 
>> > instead
>> > of dolby for recording  from other units,recording live, or with their
>> > Naks? I do not have very many prerecorded cassettes with DBX or 
>> > H-Pro,so
>> > i am lookng for a reason not to keep these units to make some room in
>> > the house. I'm trying to see if this message will post because ive had
>> > to try and use a different    e-mail address .THANks
>>
>> HX-Pro is not a noise reduction system.  "HX" stands for
> Headroom-eXtension.
>> It's a system that was originally developed by Bang & Olufsen and then
>> became licensed by Dolby.  Basically, it dynamically varies the bias
> signal
>> level based on the audio level, to increase the high frequency recording
>> headroom (i.e., raise the threshold of rapidly rising distortion and
>> reduced frequency response).  It functions only during recording
>> (not playback).  HX-Pro can be quite effective, and some rather
> inexpensive
>> decks got quite good frequency response and distortion specs due to its
>> use.  Nakamichi never adopted this, and indeed the basic head, transport
>> and electronic design is so good that Naks didn't need HX-Pro to perform
>> well.
>>
>> dbx on the other hand is a noise reduction system based on dynamic range
>> compression and expansion.  It compresses during recording and expands
>> during playback.  The compression keeps the signals above the tape noise
>> floor, and the expansion restores the original dynamics while lowering 
>> the
>> noise floor.  It is highly effective, but can cause "breathing" effects
>> where the tape hiss noise floor is modulated by large changes in audio
>> dynamics.  dbx-encoded tapes must be played with a deck with a dbx 
>> decoder
>> (or used with an outboard dbx decoder), otherwise the compressed dynamic
>> range makes the music quite unlistenable.  Nak never licensed dbx on its
>> decks either, but once offered a separate outboard noise reduction module
>> called "Hi-Com" (and a 2nd-gen "Hi-Com II") that worked somewhat
> similarly.
>>
>> -Ti
>> -- 
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>> http://www.amb.org/ti
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Nov  7 17:58:00 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:58:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Deck Output Signal Strength
In-Reply-To: <001101c4c4e6$d8720610$6400a8c0@robertbwpur6ye>
Message-ID: <002101c4c4ea$f0641a20$f6fb4c51@oemcomputer>

Indeed, which is why, one presumes, that there is a good trade in in-line
attenuators for use with older amps that don't have a dedicated CD input.
With my old Quad 44 one could barely push the volume control past the fourth
click without risking bleeding ear drums!  So, I bought one of those in-line
attentuators, made especially for the Quads, where the attenuator was built
into the 5-pin DIN plug itself and the CD player o/p would feed into its
female RCA's.  However, I stopped using it very quickly because I felt it
degraded the sound.

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of rjkent at comcast.net
  Sent: 07 November 2004 16:29
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Deck Output Signal Strenth


  Hi Fred,

  I have a Dragon, CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, 670ZX, RX-505, and 2 Cassette Deck 1s,
all set up in different systems for different uses.  I find that pretty
uniformly I have to set the output level of the decks at from 3/4 to full
output to equal the output levels of CD/DVD players.  I have even tried
switching to different inputs on the amps to see if it might make a
difference, and it doesn't.  I have a feeling that the difference is due to
the fact that in the glory days of cassettes, the only source inputs were
typically Tape, Tuner, and Phono (with a token AUX for who knows what).  The
Phono of course has a different preamp stage from the other inputs, and
tuners would have a somewhat variable output depending on signal strength,
so the differences were not as noticable.  I also wondered whether the age
of the decks may have degraded the output signal strength, but it is so
uniform from deck to deck that I don't think that is true either.  It seems
that modern CD/DVD players simply have higher signal output levels than our
antique decks.

  Robert Kent

  Fred Wrote:

  Hello all,
  Here's another dumb question from me. I've heard said, and practice
  bears out, that running an amp beyond 12 o'clock or so (about -14db on
  my Lux C02 preamp) pushes it beyond it's maximum efficiency and risks
  damage. But does this hold true for the level control on a tape deck? I
  ask because I have to turn the level on my CR3a all the way up to have
  it equal the output from record or CD.

  Please no laughing. It's been a difficult election.

  to music,
  Fred


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Nov  7 19:50:50 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:50:50 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-DAV94GGgx1KgZ0000db40@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701c4c4fa$b33cf080$f6fb4c51@oemcomputer>

Personally, I found DNL useful with tapes that had been recorded on
low/lowish quality tapes without Dolby encoding when I was using my old Aiwa
decks.  Of course, the nak's don't use DNL.

Collectors may be interested to know I picked up an outboard Phillips DNL
unit, with DIN sockets.  It works but I don't use it.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Sándor István
> Sent: 07 November 2004 18:00
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
>
>
> Marc,
> thank you very much for your answer.
> I was afraid the TT1000's DolbyNR is not compatible with the
> Dolby of recent
> decks.
> So it is, as you wrote, it is Dolby B.
>
> Regarding DNL I will listen carefully, and try to define/find
> what the real
> effect is.
>
> The limiter exist on the TT1000, I thought the same you wrote,
> but until now
> I did not have the opportunity to play with that thoroughly... I
> will check
> it later.
>
> Thank you again!
> István
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Denis" <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
>
>
> > At 07:18 11/07/2004, you wrote:
> > >Hello Ti,
> > >you seem to be well aware what is what on the tape-recorders... :-)
> > >
> > >Can you tell me what DNL and Dolby NR is? I see them on a
> TriTracer 1000,
> > >but I have no the vaguest idea about DNL, and do not know,
> what Dolby NR
> > >(not mentioned if B or C, probably A?) is.
> > >Also, Limiter switch is on my TT1000, but that seems to be ineffective,
> it
> > >may work only with mic-recording?
> >
> > István,
> >
> > Dolby NR stands for "Noise Reduction". Recent decks give you a choice
> > between B and C type of noise reduction. Older decks did not
> offer such a
> > choice as Dolby C was not yet invented. Therefore, Dolby NR on
> older decks
> > is the same as Dolby B. Dolby A is a professional standard only found in
> > recording studios.
> >
> > DNL stands dor "Dynamic Noise Limiter". I think it was developed by
> > Philips. It is a playback only noise filter that dynamically adjusts to
> > filter more or less noise based on music content. It cuts down
> some noise
> > but also, unfortunately, some music. You may or may not like the effect.
> >
> > I do not remember the limiter switch on the TT1000 but I am
> pretty sure it
> > prevents signal going "into the red" when recording. It limits the peak,
> > the idea behind this being that some compression is less objectionable
> than
> > excessive distortion. Try recording at a level that is
> intentionally much
> > too high and turn the limiter on and off while recording to
> experiment its
> > effect. It may very well be effective only when using the microphone
> inputs
> > depending where it is inserted in the circuitry.
> >
> >
> >
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From ti at amb.org  Sun Nov  7 20:45:54 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:45:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-DAV2RPTNZStgL0000d4be@hotmail.com> from
	"=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=" at Nov 07, 2004 01:18:00 PM
Message-ID: <20041107194554.B466F2400B@smtp.amb.org>

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?= writes:
> Hello Ti,
> you seem to be well aware what is what on the tape-recorders... :-)
> 
> Can you tell me what DNL and Dolby NR is? I see them on a TriTracer 1000,
> but I have no the vaguest idea about DNL, and do not know, what Dolby NR
> (not mentioned if B or C, probably A?) is.
> Also, Limiter switch is on my TT1000, but that seems to be ineffective, it
> may work only with mic-recording?
> 
> Your expert advice highly appreciated.
> 
> Thank you!
> István

Others have already answered about DNL and Dolby NR, so I won't
belabor the issue.

I once had a old Philips cassette/receiver combo unit that had DNR and
played with it a little.  It does dull out the highs.  Not surprisingly,
since it's playback-only, and nothing more than a signal-level dependent
variable low-pass filter.

-Ti
-- 
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Mon Nov  8 01:41:56 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:41:56 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX7 vs RX505
Message-ID: <001a01c4c52b$c2bbf520$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Hello István,

My experiences with the ZX-7 and RX-505 decks have been quite good.  The key to bringing all of your cassette decks into playback compatibility will be how accurately your primary recording deck, presumably the ZX-7 with manual recording calibration functionality, is maintained in relation to Nakamichi recommended technical specifications.  Compare the recommended specs for your decks as related in the Nak service manuals.  

Several years ago, I was able to have a good friend with abundant technical knowledge and calibration gear, visit my home base for a weekend, where he showed me the fundamentals and important procedures to apply when tweaking Nak decks to specification.  We started with the ZX-7, optimizing the record and playback azimuth adjustments using Nak calibration cassette tapes and service manual specifications.  Then we followed with the RX-505 to match as precisely as possible the record and playback measurements to my preferred recording source deck, the ZX-7.  Well, more than two years later, these decks are performing harmoniously to my sweet hearing abilities.  I have no personal complaints whether I record or playback between these two cassette decks.  I also occasionally playback cassettes recorded from the ZX-7 on my 550 portable and RX -202, both single capstan mechanism decks, with very good results.  I've also utilized my 680ZX, which had excellent playback capabilities, until a problem with signal processing cropped up (repairs will be planned during the winter months).  Of importance to me is to have the best results coming through when I'm using my mobile Nak TD-560 deck, which fortunately I have been successful and pleased during the last few years.  The key is, of course, paying attention to your decks, keeping them clean and degaussed regularly.  Using consistently high quality cassettes is also a requirement for excellent results.  I never, ever playback pre-recorded cassettes in my Nak decks.  The ZX-7 and RX-505 only playback cassettes recorded between them.  My 680 ZX was the workhorse when I exchanged cassettes with friends over the last year, and before that I relied on my RX-202 or Marantz 5240 decks to be intermediaries when unkown recording sources or lesser quality cassettes were received from outside sources.  Protecting my best decks from unkown variable has been my mantra for many years.  

So, in summary, I'd advise that you focus on evaluating your ZX-7 to determine where that compares to Nak technical specifications.  Then do the same for the RX-505.  Your goal can then be to bring these decks as closely as possible to matching specifications.  Recording specs for both decks must match if you want the RX-505 recording to sound equally when playback is done on the ZX-7  Vice versa also.  Identifying and managing the relative azimuth error between the decks is  all important in this exercise.

As a reference, you may want to have a look at some of the azimuth guidance information posted to the NakChatt website archive files, particularly the article on cassette deck azimuth alignment, titled, " How Important is Tape Azimuth?"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/files/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/files/Azimuth%20Essentials/

That's on the NakChatt eGroup website;  You'll want to subscribe to the NakChatt community to access this information, among many other useful articles, graphic images, and discussion topics available.

Best regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison Wisc USA


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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:59:31 +0100
To: <naktalk at naks.com>

From: Sandor Istvan <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 vs. RX505

Hello all,
I have a ZX7 and an RX505 (also). I started a "great calibration project" on my decks.
The ZX7 was/is used as a reference, and the others are/will be calibrated to "perfect" compatibility to this.
Yesterday the RX505 got onto my table.

I was totally shocked how sensitive this deck is to the quality of the cassette used.
While the ZX7 is able to squeeze out the best of practically ANY sort of tape (even those unkown types, suffering from azimuth-errors, and huge level-differences in input and output), the RX505 definitely FAILS to make good recordings to these inferior tapes.

I simply do not understand, what is the real use of a 3-head deck without calibrating functions, and without tuning either record or playback head. Because the record head is a given distance from the playback head, it is just not usable to azimuth-error tapes, this will be always mis-aligned.
In case of a 2-head design, it would be no problem, because the record head is just "aligned" with the playback head. In this respect, a 2-head RX202 seems to be a more usable deck for recording...???!!! No azimuth problems, at least.

The ZX7 records sound perfectly on the RX505 also (as it is aligned), but I am very disappointed in the recording capabilities of this very spectacular deck.

Any opinions, please? Mr. Bleus, you have both (RX and ZX) also, do you have any comments on my (maybe wrong) experience?

Thank you in advance for all comments.

Best regards,
István
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Nov  8 06:57:14 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:57:14 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
References: <001701c4c4c7$9e03c640$f6fb4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001d01c4c557$ccd42ba0$ce773242@CopyTech>

I also sold one last year because for dolby B & C newer model cassette decks 
have no use. That unit was intended for the ZXL's. Those models have 
dedicated jacks for those external processors. You can use it with any decks 
but since my Dragon and Revox has both dolby's, why bother with an extra 
unit ?

Carlos

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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:45 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX


> Ti wrote
>
> "Nak never licensed dbx on its decks either, but once offered a separate
> outboard noise reduction module called "Hi-Com" (and a 2nd-gen "Hi-Com 
> II")
> that worked somewhat similarly."
>
> I have a very clean 120v Hi Com unit I was intending to put on eBay.  But 
> if
> anyone's desperate for one and would like to make a sensible offer in
> advance ...
>
> Gra'
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Nov  8 07:01:42 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:01:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
References: <002701c4c4fa$b33cf080$f6fb4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003101c4c558$6c7509e0$ce773242@CopyTech>

DNL is similar to single end noise reduction units widely used in radio 
stations. I have one of the best ever made that I inheritated from my 
father: a Dynafex. Another good example was the HUSH, used by many recording 
studios. The principle is similar to an expander. Works very good but right 
now is taking dust in a closett.

Carlos

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From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX


Personally, I found DNL useful with tapes that had been recorded on
low/lowish quality tapes without Dolby encoding when I was using my old Aiwa
decks.  Of course, the nak's don't use DNL.

Collectors may be interested to know I picked up an outboard Phillips DNL
unit, with DIN sockets.  It works but I don't use it.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Sándor István
> Sent: 07 November 2004 18:00
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
>
>
> Marc,
> thank you very much for your answer.
> I was afraid the TT1000's DolbyNR is not compatible with the
> Dolby of recent
> decks.
> So it is, as you wrote, it is Dolby B.
>
> Regarding DNL I will listen carefully, and try to define/find
> what the real
> effect is.
>
> The limiter exist on the TT1000, I thought the same you wrote,
> but until now
> I did not have the opportunity to play with that thoroughly... I
> will check
> it later.
>
> Thank you again!
> István
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Denis" <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] HX PRO & DBX
>
>
> > At 07:18 11/07/2004, you wrote:
> > >Hello Ti,
> > >you seem to be well aware what is what on the tape-recorders... :-)
> > >
> > >Can you tell me what DNL and Dolby NR is? I see them on a
> TriTracer 1000,
> > >but I have no the vaguest idea about DNL, and do not know,
> what Dolby NR
> > >(not mentioned if B or C, probably A?) is.
> > >Also, Limiter switch is on my TT1000, but that seems to be ineffective,
> it
> > >may work only with mic-recording?
> >
> > István,
> >
> > Dolby NR stands for "Noise Reduction". Recent decks give you a choice
> > between B and C type of noise reduction. Older decks did not
> offer such a
> > choice as Dolby C was not yet invented. Therefore, Dolby NR on
> older decks
> > is the same as Dolby B. Dolby A is a professional standard only found in
> > recording studios.
> >
> > DNL stands dor "Dynamic Noise Limiter". I think it was developed by
> > Philips. It is a playback only noise filter that dynamically adjusts to
> > filter more or less noise based on music content. It cuts down
> some noise
> > but also, unfortunately, some music. You may or may not like the effect.
> >
> > I do not remember the limiter switch on the TT1000 but I am
> pretty sure it
> > prevents signal going "into the red" when recording. It limits the peak,
> > the idea behind this being that some compression is less objectionable
> than
> > excessive distortion. Try recording at a level that is
> intentionally much
> > too high and turn the limiter on and off while recording to
> experiment its
> > effect. It may very well be effective only when using the microphone
> inputs
> > depending where it is inserted in the circuitry.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  8 07:10:53 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:10:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX7 vs RX505
References: <001a01c4c52b$c2bbf520$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV2dnHM3SOlb0000f1a9@hotmail.com>

Dear Mr. Bleus,
it is always a pleasure for me to read your usually extensive and well-described comments.
Thank you!

However, I am still afraid that we cannot expect the same result from the ZX-7 and the RX-505, in case only if we use good-quality, azimuth-error-free cassettes. Of course, if I tune the RX-505 to a given type and batch of cassettes (even quality), there are no major problems with recording.
But if one uses all kind of tapes (poor quality and good either), you may say that the recording-head azimuth alignment possibility is a must. It is my opinion only of course, please explain if you think it to be wrong.

Thank you very much for offering get into NakChatt, but I am afraid I would not be able to keep up the pace with you all, because I am far not a native English... :-)

Kind regards,
István
(who is debating if sell or not his RX-505....)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: sandorpistike at hotmail.com 
  Cc: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 1:41 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX7 vs RX505


  Hello István,

  My experiences with the ZX-7 and RX-505 decks have been quite good.  The key to bringing all of your cassette decks into playback compatibility will be how accurately your primary recording deck, presumably the ZX-7 with manual recording calibration functionality, is maintained in relation to Nakamichi recommended technical specifications.  Compare the recommended specs for your decks as related in the Nak service manuals.  

  Several years ago, I was able to have a good friend with abundant technical knowledge and calibration gear, visit my home base for a weekend, where he showed me the fundamentals and important procedures to apply when tweaking Nak decks to specification.  We started with the ZX-7, optimizing the record and playback azimuth adjustments using Nak calibration cassette tapes and service manual specifications.  Then we followed with the RX-505 to match as precisely as possible the record and playback measurements to my preferred recording source deck, the ZX-7.  Well, more than two years later, these decks are performing harmoniously to my sweet hearing abilities.  I have no personal complaints whether I record or playback between these two cassette decks.  I also occasionally playback cassettes recorded from the ZX-7 on my 550 portable and RX -202, both single capstan mechanism decks, with very good results.  I've also utilized my 680ZX, which had excellent playback capabilities, until a problem with signal processing cropped up (repairs will be planned during the winter months).  Of importance to me is to have the best results coming through when I'm using my mobile Nak TD-560 deck, which fortunately I have been successful and pleased during the last few years.  The key is, of course, paying attention to your decks, keeping them clean and degaussed regularly.  Using consistently high quality cassettes is also a requirement for excellent results.  I never, ever playback pre-recorded cassettes in my Nak decks.  The ZX-7 and RX-505 only playback cassettes recorded between them.  My 680 ZX was the workhorse when I exchanged cassettes with friends over the last year, and before that I relied on my RX-202 or Marantz 5240 decks to be intermediaries when unkown recording sources or lesser quality cassettes were received from outside sources.  Protecting my best decks from unkown variable has been my mantra for many years.  

  So, in summary, I'd advise that you focus on evaluating your ZX-7 to determine where that compares to Nak technical specifications.  Then do the same for the RX-505.  Your goal can then be to bring these decks as closely as possible to matching specifications.  Recording specs for both decks must match if you want the RX-505 recording to sound equally when playback is done on the ZX-7  Vice versa also.  Identifying and managing the relative azimuth error between the decks is  all important in this exercise.

  As a reference, you may want to have a look at some of the azimuth guidance information posted to the NakChatt website archive files, particularly the article on cassette deck azimuth alignment, titled, " How Important is Tape Azimuth?"

  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/files/
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/files/Azimuth%20Essentials/

  That's on the NakChatt eGroup website;  You'll want to subscribe to the NakChatt community to access this information, among many other useful articles, graphic images, and discussion topics available.

  Best regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison Wisc USA


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  Message: 1
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  Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:59:31 +0100
  To: <naktalk at naks.com>

  From: Sandor Istvan <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
  Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 vs. RX505

  Hello all,
  I have a ZX7 and an RX505 (also). I started a "great calibration project" on my decks.
  The ZX7 was/is used as a reference, and the others are/will be calibrated to "perfect" compatibility to this.
  Yesterday the RX505 got onto my table.

  I was totally shocked how sensitive this deck is to the quality of the cassette used.
  While the ZX7 is able to squeeze out the best of practically ANY sort of tape (even those unkown types, suffering from azimuth-errors, and huge level-differences in input and output), the RX505 definitely FAILS to make good recordings to these inferior tapes.

  I simply do not understand, what is the real use of a 3-head deck without calibrating functions, and without tuning either record or playback head. Because the record head is a given distance from the playback head, it is just not usable to azimuth-error tapes, this will be always mis-aligned.
  In case of a 2-head design, it would be no problem, because the record head is just "aligned" with the playback head. In this respect, a 2-head RX202 seems to be a more usable deck for recording...???!!! No azimuth problems, at least.

  The ZX7 records sound perfectly on the RX505 also (as it is aligned), but I am very disappointed in the recording capabilities of this very spectacular deck.

  Any opinions, please? Mr. Bleus, you have both (RX and ZX) also, do you have any comments on my (maybe wrong) experience?

  Thank you in advance for all comments.

  Best regards,
  István
  (from Hungary)


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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Mon Nov  8 00:19:39 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:19:39 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nak TV??
In-Reply-To: <000601c4c44c$95dcf160$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFCECGCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

I did see Nakamichi TV recently at Sams Club ... Like a 50+ inch flat
screen.

Stan

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Behalf Of Roland Alford
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 4:04 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Nak TV??


Is this for real?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=58&item=3851198340&rd
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  8 07:46:30 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:46:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX7 vs RX505
References: <001a01c4c52b$c2bbf520$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<BAY22-DAV2dnHM3SOlb0000f1a9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV15Y0tPm6Kk0001161c@hotmail.com>

Dear István,

My sole advice...USE only the highest quality cassettes that you can buy there in Hungary! and will be 99% OK!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sándor István 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX7 vs RX505


  Dear Mr. Bleus,
  it is always a pleasure for me to read your usually extensive and well-described comments.
  Thank you!

  However, I am still afraid that we cannot expect the same result from the ZX-7 and the RX-505, in case only if we use good-quality, azimuth-error-free cassettes. Of course, if I tune the RX-505 to a given type and batch of cassettes (even quality), there are no major problems with recording.
  But if one uses all kind of tapes (poor quality and good either), you may say that the recording-head azimuth alignment possibility is a must. It is my opinion only of course, please explain if you think it to be wrong.

  Thank you very much for offering get into NakChatt, but I am afraid I would not be able to keep up the pace with you all, because I am far not a native English... :-)

  Kind regards,
  István
  (who is debating if sell or not his RX-505....)
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: KJ Bleus 
    To: sandorpistike at hotmail.com 
    Cc: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 1:41 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak ZX7 vs RX505


    Hello István,

    My experiences with the ZX-7 and RX-505 decks have been quite good.  The key to bringing all of your cassette decks into playback compatibility will be how accurately your primary recording deck, presumably the ZX-7 with manual recording calibration functionality, is maintained in relation to Nakamichi recommended technical specifications.  Compare the recommended specs for your decks as related in the Nak service manuals.  

    Several years ago, I was able to have a good friend with abundant technical knowledge and calibration gear, visit my home base for a weekend, where he showed me the fundamentals and important procedures to apply when tweaking Nak decks to specification.  We started with the ZX-7, optimizing the record and playback azimuth adjustments using Nak calibration cassette tapes and service manual specifications.  Then we followed with the RX-505 to match as precisely as possible the record and playback measurements to my preferred recording source deck, the ZX-7.  Well, more than two years later, these decks are performing harmoniously to my sweet hearing abilities.  I have no personal complaints whether I record or playback between these two cassette decks.  I also occasionally playback cassettes recorded from the ZX-7 on my 550 portable and RX -202, both single capstan mechanism decks, with very good results.  I've also utilized my 680ZX, which had excellent playback capabilities, until a problem with signal processing cropped up (repairs will be planned during the winter months).  Of importance to me is to have the best results coming through when I'm using my mobile Nak TD-560 deck, which fortunately I have been successful and pleased during the last few years.  The key is, of course, paying attention to your decks, keeping them clean and degaussed regularly.  Using consistently high quality cassettes is also a requirement for excellent results.  I never, ever playback pre-recorded cassettes in my Nak decks.  The ZX-7 and RX-505 only playback cassettes recorded between them.  My 680 ZX was the workhorse when I exchanged cassettes with friends over the last year, and before that I relied on my RX-202 or Marantz 5240 decks to be intermediaries when unkown recording sources or lesser quality cassettes were received from outside sources.  Protecting my best decks from unkown variable has been my mantra for many years.  

    So, in summary, I'd advise that you focus on evaluating your ZX-7 to determine where that compares to Nak technical specifications.  Then do the same for the RX-505.  Your goal can then be to bring these decks as closely as possible to matching specifications.  Recording specs for both decks must match if you want the RX-505 recording to sound equally when playback is done on the ZX-7  Vice versa also.  Identifying and managing the relative azimuth error between the decks is  all important in this exercise.

    As a reference, you may want to have a look at some of the azimuth guidance information posted to the NakChatt website archive files, particularly the article on cassette deck azimuth alignment, titled, " How Important is Tape Azimuth?"

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/files/
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NakChatt/files/Azimuth%20Essentials/

    That's on the NakChatt eGroup website;  You'll want to subscribe to the NakChatt community to access this information, among many other useful articles, graphic images, and discussion topics available.

    Best regards,

    Bleus de Nakker
    Madison Wisc USA


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    Message: 1
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    Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:59:31 +0100
    To: <naktalk at naks.com>

    From: Sandor Istvan <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
    Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 vs. RX505

    Hello all,
    I have a ZX7 and an RX505 (also). I started a "great calibration project" on my decks.
    The ZX7 was/is used as a reference, and the others are/will be calibrated to "perfect" compatibility to this.
    Yesterday the RX505 got onto my table.

    I was totally shocked how sensitive this deck is to the quality of the cassette used.
    While the ZX7 is able to squeeze out the best of practically ANY sort of tape (even those unkown types, suffering from azimuth-errors, and huge level-differences in input and output), the RX505 definitely FAILS to make good recordings to these inferior tapes.

    I simply do not understand, what is the real use of a 3-head deck without calibrating functions, and without tuning either record or playback head. Because the record head is a given distance from the playback head, it is just not usable to azimuth-error tapes, this will be always mis-aligned.
    In case of a 2-head design, it would be no problem, because the record head is just "aligned" with the playback head. In this respect, a 2-head RX202 seems to be a more usable deck for recording...???!!! No azimuth problems, at least.

    The ZX7 records sound perfectly on the RX505 also (as it is aligned), but I am very disappointed in the recording capabilities of this very spectacular deck.

    Any opinions, please? Mr. Bleus, you have both (RX and ZX) also, do you have any comments on my (maybe wrong) experience?

    Thank you in advance for all comments.

    Best regards,
    István
    (from Hungary)


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From timbarrett at cox.net  Mon Nov  8 23:31:46 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:31:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
Message-ID: <418FF3D2.4070207@cox.net>

Good day to everyone -

Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some time.  It 
has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.

The two capstans are of different diameters and turn at different 
speeds.  It appears to be engineered so that the take up capstan pulls 
tape at a slightly faster speed than the supply capstan.  I've witnessed 
this by watching a loop of slightly loose tape between the capstans 
(there was no head block installed) slowly get pulled back tight again 
after several revolutions of the reels in Play mode.   This makes sense 
because part of the design is to provide tape tension on the heads 
without the use of pressure pads.

What puzzles me is this.  Since the capstans are not feeding tape at the 
exact same speed, only one of them can be dictating the absolute speed 
of the tape.  Does this mean that the tape is constantly slipping on the 
other capstan?  If so, wouldn't it cause some audible, at least 
measureable flutter?  Granted, there is flutter, but it's quite low.  On 
my ZX-7, the take-up capstan is smaller in diameter than the supply 
capstan.  Can I assume that the larger diameter capstan, by virture of 
it's additional surface area, is the one which dictates the tape speed?

Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the Dragon?  Are the 
capstans the same diameter or different diameters?  Can a Dragon owner 
out there tell me?

Thank you for bearing with me.  This isn't the sort of thing I lose 
sleep over, it's just... one of those things.

Tim Barrett



From ti at amb.org  Tue Nov  9 05:13:42 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:13:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <418FF3D2.4070207@cox.net> from "Tim Barrett" at Nov 08,
	2004 05:31:46 PM
Message-ID: <20041109041342.3A43721C76@smtp.amb.org>

Tim Barrett writes:
> Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some time.  It 
> has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
> ... 
> 
> Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the Dragon?  Are the 
> capstans the same diameter or different diameters?  Can a Dragon owner 
> out there tell me?

The Dragon's two capstans are also different diameters.  I guess the
auto reverse means that the speed differential must swap sides in order
for the tension-tightening to work in both directions.  Interesting
thought about the flutter, though; although maybe the tape isn't really
slipping, but the supply side capstan is driven with less torque,
so that it could be forced to rotate at the same speed as the take-up
side when the tape has reached tension.  On the Dragon, this is more
complicated because the two capstans are each directly driven by its
own motor.

-Ti
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From jmtooley at verizon.net  Tue Nov  9 01:02:33 2004
From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John Tooley)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:02:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
References: <418FF3D2.4070207@cox.net>
Message-ID: <009901c4c5ef$6b4c13a0$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl>

Great posting Tim, I enjoyed it but don't have your answers.

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Barrett" <timbarrett at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension


> Good day to everyone -
>
> Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some time.  It has 
> to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
>
> The two capstans are of different diameters and turn at different speeds. 
> It appears to be engineered so that the take up capstan pulls tape at a 
> slightly faster speed than the supply capstan.  I've witnessed this by 
> watching a loop of slightly loose tape between the capstans (there was no 
> head block installed) slowly get pulled back tight again after several 
> revolutions of the reels in Play mode.   This makes sense because part of 
> the design is to provide tape tension on the heads without the use of 
> pressure pads.
>
> What puzzles me is this.  Since the capstans are not feeding tape at the 
> exact same speed, only one of them can be dictating the absolute speed of 
> the tape.  Does this mean that the tape is constantly slipping on the 
> other capstan?  If so, wouldn't it cause some audible, at least 
> measureable flutter?  Granted, there is flutter, but it's quite low.  On 
> my ZX-7, the take-up capstan is smaller in diameter than the supply 
> capstan.  Can I assume that the larger diameter capstan, by virture of 
> it's additional surface area, is the one which dictates the tape speed?
>
> Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the Dragon?  Are the 
> capstans the same diameter or different diameters?  Can a Dragon owner out 
> there tell me?
>
> Thank you for bearing with me.  This isn't the sort of thing I lose sleep 
> over, it's just... one of those things.
>
> Tim Barrett
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From gwmcbride at comcast.net  Tue Nov  9 06:10:37 2004
From: gwmcbride at comcast.net (GMcBride)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:10:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <20041109041342.3A43721C76@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBAEHECLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>

Is it possible that the Dragon has a speed servo driving the correct capstan
depending on which direction the tape is moving?

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Ti Kan
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:14 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension


Tim Barrett writes:
> Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some time.  It
> has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
> ...
>
> Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the Dragon?  Are the
> capstans the same diameter or different diameters?  Can a Dragon owner
> out there tell me?

The Dragon's two capstans are also different diameters.  I guess the
auto reverse means that the speed differential must swap sides in order
for the tension-tightening to work in both directions.  Interesting
thought about the flutter, though; although maybe the tape isn't really
slipping, but the supply side capstan is driven with less torque,
so that it could be forced to rotate at the same speed as the take-up
side when the tape has reached tension.  On the Dragon, this is more
complicated because the two capstans are each directly driven by its
own motor.

-Ti
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 14:34:14 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:34:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBAEHECLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20041109133414.44816.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com>

Dragon has a clever design - toimplement the auto reverse with Dual direct Drive motors!. It uses quartz clock drive with servo control( !) to set very prcise speed- ofcourse without DD cog - something like a jerk. The speed differential is 0.1% only literally both run at slightly ( very very small indeed) different speed and when direction changes - again the take up capstan rotates at slightly higher speed than the supply spoo. because the diameter is different so the rpms are different.
What happens when the capstans are slightly different surface speed is that the tape is under slight tension - just enough to keep the tape flat against the play record head. If  one of the pinch rollar does not hold the tape , question of slipping - the tape will get pinched and cut in any Nak dual capstan decks. I found that in one another deck where the belt had lost the correct tension
kannan
GMcBride <gwmcbride at comcast.net> wrote:
Is it possible that the Dragon has a speed servo driving the correct capstan
depending on which direction the tape is moving?

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Ti Kan
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:14 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension


Tim Barrett writes:
> Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some time. It
> has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
> ...
>
> Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the Dragon? Are the
> capstans the same diameter or different diameters? Can a Dragon owner
> out there tell me?

The Dragon's two capstans are also different diameters. I guess the
auto reverse means that the speed differential must swap sides in order
for the tension-tightening to work in both directions. Interesting
thought about the flutter, though; although maybe the tape isn't really
slipping, but the supply side capstan is driven with less torque,
so that it could be forced to rotate at the same speed as the take-up
side when the tape has reached tension. On the Dragon, this is more
complicated because the two capstans are each directly driven by its
own motor.

-Ti
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  9 14:32:25 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:32:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
Message-ID: <001301c4c660$8d0176e0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Although I own a CR-7A, I remember reading somewhere that in the case of the Dragon, one motor runs .2% slower than the other to compensate.

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Nov  9 15:45:03 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:45:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 on the way
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Managed to get a CR-5 for the low price of $69!  It's condition is 
"Acceptable" with "insignificant" cosmetic wear.  Well, I'm expecting the 
worst (it is guaranteed to work properly at least), any problems I can 
expect with this deck?  Is this one of the decks with the idler problem?

How does this compare with the CR-7?  



From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Nov  9 16:20:48 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:20:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???
References: <002b01c4beab$d22a7760$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <005001c4c66f$b583f4d0$a56623c8@g8nsv>

Hi Bleus!!!!!

It took me a while to think abotu this one but here are my answers; I've put them just on side of yours in a fucsia colour.....

Isy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 2:10 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???


  Here's my selections, to start things off.....

  Bleus


  Nak Decks Best ofBreed Survey:
  Best deck in technical specifications:
  1)  1000-ZXL/Ltd (Niro and Ted say it is true!!!) 1000ZXL
  2)  ZX-9 CR-7
  3) Dragon Dragon


  Best deck w/ automated control functionality:
  1) 1000 ZXL/Ltd 1000ZXL
  2) 700 ZXL DRAGON
  3) 682 ZX 682ZX


  Best deck w/ manual control functionality:
  1) ZX-9 (ZX-7 also, essentially same deck) ZX-9/ZX-7
  2) 1000 Tri-Tracer LX-5
  3) 680 CR-3


  Best deck in durability and longevity:
  1) ZX-7     682ZX
  2) 680 ZX DRAGON
  3) 550 LX-5


  Best deck to utilize (ergonomics, enjoyment factor):
  1) RX-505 (so fun to use and show off to friends!!!) CR-7
  2) ZX-9 1000ZXL Limited
  3) 680 ZX LX-5 (the silver plate is too nice)


  Best deck in value (cost compared to specs, functionality, durability, utilization):
  1) ZX-9 DRAGON
  2) RX-505 CR-3
  3) 550 LX-5

  End of Survey



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 7:17 AM
  Subject: Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???

  Greetings,

  I've been sitting in my studio earlier this morning, thinking of a way to categorize the span of classic Nak cassette decks in relation to technical specifications, functionality, durability, and overall enjoyment to utilize by the enthusist.  We could do a sort of survey via NakTalk, identifying the best of breed characteristics of the Nak decks together.  Any takers on this idea?  Perhaps a simple survey could be something like this.......

  We can all participate by responding to the survey via NakTalk email interactions, compile the info, create a spreadsheet charting the results, then request Wouter to add results to the new Naks.Com website.  On a yearly basis, we could revisit the survey, to add new Nakkers into the survey. What do you guys think about this idea?  Something worth the effort, or just a trial balloon (led zeppelin) kind of idea??  Open for discussion......

  Best regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA




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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Nov  9 22:57:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:57:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???
References: <002b01c4beab$d22a7760$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<005001c4c66f$b583f4d0$a56623c8@g8nsv>
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Hi everyone:

Below are my answers in red, plus an extra question.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Isy Fidelman 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???


  Hi Bleus!!!!!

  It took me a while to think abotu this one but here are my answers; I've put them just on side of yours in a fucsia colour.....

  Isy
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: KJ Bleus 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 2:10 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???


    Here's my selections, to start things off.....

    Bleus


    Nak Decks Best ofBreed Survey:
    Best deck in technical specifications:
    1)  1000-ZXL/Ltd (Niro and Ted say it is true!!!) 1000ZXL Dragon
    2)  ZX-9 CR-7 ZX 9
    3) Dragon Dragon CR 7


    Best deck w/ automated control functionality:
    1) 1000 ZXL/Ltd 1000ZXL Dragon
    2) 700 ZXL DRAGON 682 ZX
    3) 682 ZX 682ZX 700 ZXL


    Best deck w/ manual control functionality:
    1) ZX-9 (ZX-7 also, essentially same deck) ZX-9/ZX-7 ZX 9
    2) 1000 Tri-Tracer LX-5 580
    3) 680 CR-3 600


    Best deck in durability and longevity:
    1) ZX-7     682ZX  Dragon
    2) 680 ZX DRAGON  480
    3) 550 LX-5  500


    Best deck to utilize (ergonomics, enjoyment factor):
    1) RX-505 (so fun to use and show off to friends!!!) CR-7 700 ZXL
    2) ZX-9 1000ZXL Limited 1000 ZXL
    3) 680 ZX LX-5 (the silver plate is too nice)  RX 505


    Best deck in value (cost compared to specs, functionality, durability, utilization):
    1) ZX-9 DRAGON Dragon
    2) RX-505 CR-3 682
    3) 550 LX-5 500

    Worst nightmare to maintain up to specs and costlier repairs:

    1- 1000 ZXL
    2- 700 ZXL
    3- Both of the above


    End of Survey



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: KJ Bleus 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 7:17 AM
    Subject: Re: Nak Cassette Decks - Best of Breed???

    Greetings,

    I've been sitting in my studio earlier this morning, thinking of a way to categorize the span of classic Nak cassette decks in relation to technical specifications, functionality, durability, and overall enjoyment to utilize by the enthusist.  We could do a sort of survey via NakTalk, identifying the best of breed characteristics of the Nak decks together.  Any takers on this idea?  Perhaps a simple survey could be something like this.......

    We can all participate by responding to the survey via NakTalk email interactions, compile the info, create a spreadsheet charting the results, then request Wouter to add results to the new Naks.Com website.  On a yearly basis, we could revisit the survey, to add new Nakkers into the survey. What do you guys think about this idea?  Something worth the effort, or just a trial balloon (led zeppelin) kind of idea??  Open for discussion......

    Best regards,

    Bleus de Nakker
    Madison, Wisc USA




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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 21:49:50 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:49:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBAEHECLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20041109204950.71423.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com>

Check out the brochure.  It's on my web site.

http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_5_sm.jpg

SJ


--- GMcBride <gwmcbride at comcast.net> wrote:

> Is it possible that the Dragon has a speed servo driving the
> correct capstan
> depending on which direction the tape is moving?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ti Kan
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:14 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension
> 
> 
> Tim Barrett writes:
> > Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some time.
>  It
> > has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
> > ...
> >
> > Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the Dragon? 
> Are the
> > capstans the same diameter or different diameters?  Can a Dragon
> owner
> > out there tell me?
> 
> The Dragon's two capstans are also different diameters.  I guess
> the
> auto reverse means that the speed differential must swap sides in
> order
> for the tension-tightening to work in both directions.  Interesting
> thought about the flutter, though; although maybe the tape isn't
> really
> slipping, but the supply side capstan is driven with less torque,
> so that it could be forced to rotate at the same speed as the
> take-up
> side when the tape has reached tension.  On the Dragon, this is
> more
> complicated because the two capstans are each directly driven by
> its
> own motor.
> 
> -Ti
> --
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Nov  9 22:02:33 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:02:33 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 on the way
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D729@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

You got a CR-5 for HOW MUCH!!!! $69 DOLLARS!! Well done Derrick. My guess is
that the only difference between the 5 and 7 is azimuth control (lack of in
the 5) and the auto calibration. Other than that I think they are pretty
much identical. I believe that these are the decks that suffered the idler
problem but you can always check to see if it has the gear upgrade by
removing the black metal plate behind the tape well.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Derrick Beckner [mailto:dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2004 1:45
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 on the way




Managed to get a CR-5 for the low price of $69!  It's condition is 
"Acceptable" with "insignificant" cosmetic wear.  Well, I'm expecting the 
worst (it is guaranteed to work properly at least), any problems I can 
expect with this deck?  Is this one of the decks with the idler problem?

How does this compare with the CR-7?  

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Nov  9 22:24:35 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:24:35 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 on the way
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Message-ID: <000501c4c6a2$82dc6520$069a87d9@oemcomputer>

Super buy, Derrick!  I hope it it proves a good 'un for you.  From what I've
heard the CR5 is an excellent machine that, when tuned right, and if playing
back tapes only made on the same machine, can almost match the CR7 both in
terms of recording quality and playback.  Even new it was a bargain, but at
$69 it's a steal.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> Sent: 09 November 2004 14:45
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 on the way
>
>
>
>
> Managed to get a CR-5 for the low price of $69!  It's condition is
> "Acceptable" with "insignificant" cosmetic wear.  Well, I'm expecting the
> worst (it is guaranteed to work properly at least), any problems I can
> expect with this deck?  Is this one of the decks with the idler problem?
>
> How does this compare with the CR-7?
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Wed Nov 10 03:10:38 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (woggler)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:10:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Items Wanted for 550
Message-ID: <4191789E.4050400@woods-and-waters.com>

For my Nakamich 550, I'm seeking a replacement:

1) Carry Strap
2) "AC Pack"

Failing that, does anyone know how to wire a new 12VDC adapter to the AC 
adapter jack on the 550?

Any help is appreciated!

Thanks!

--Kermit Gray



From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Wed Nov 10 04:30:06 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:30:06 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 on the way
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041109094139.019988f0@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMEDACFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

CR7 adds to CR5 ...

- AutoCalibration (azimuth, level, and bias)
- Playback Azimuth
- Real Time Tape Counter
- AutoFade
- Subsonic Filter
- Wireless Remote Control
- Rated frequency response 18-21,000 +/-3db (vs 20-20,000 +/- 3db)
- 0.5 kg in weight
- 10 W in max power consumption

AND more money !!!!

At $69 it was a steal for the CR5, enjoy ...

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:45 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 on the way




Managed to get a CR-5 for the low price of $69!  It's condition is 
"Acceptable" with "insignificant" cosmetic wear.  Well, I'm expecting the 
worst (it is guaranteed to work properly at least), any problems I can 
expect with this deck?  Is this one of the decks with the idler problem?

How does this compare with the CR-7?  

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From man626 at webtv.net  Wed Nov 10 13:38:12 2004
From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:38:12 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] junction box
Message-ID: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>

Ive got too much stuff to hook up to my pre-amp inputs.I Have 2 Naks,2
c.d.Players,a turntable,    a dual dubbing deck and  2 tuners.Can anyone
tell me about a nice "junction box"?I also have MULTI-PLEX vs. AM/FM
.Which one do i put my tuner into? Also, what is the "Tape head"
input?Is the basic phono pre-amp input on my dyna FM-3 oK,or would i be
much better off with a seperate phono pre-amp,and where would i hook up
a seperate phono pre-amp into?wheeeew! thanks



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Nov 10 15:47:08 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:47:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 on the way
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMEDACFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041109094139.019988f0@psulias.psu.edu>
	<BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMEDACFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041110093918.019d7c70@psulias.psu.edu>

I can honestly say this is the first time I've stumbled on the proverbial 
hi-fi steal.  But, I'll wait til I see it (and hear it) before gloating. 
:)  Over on the Klipsch Forum in just the last couple months a person GAVE 
AWAY a pair of Klipschorns (we have photos to prove it!) to the first 
responder, the list took up a collection to buy a popular poster a pair of 
Hereseys after he lost his job and sold his, and the same person found both 
a pair of Cornwalls and Chorus within a week, for under $50 at garage sales 
(near Hope, ARk).  Then I got a tip from someone about this deal.  Quite 
the lucky forum recently.

I'm looking forward to it's arrival!



At 10:30 PM 11/9/2004, you wrote:
>CR7 adds to CR5 ...
>
>- AutoCalibration (azimuth, level, and bias)
>- Playback Azimuth
>- Real Time Tape Counter
>- AutoFade
>- Subsonic Filter
>- Wireless Remote Control
>- Rated frequency response 18-21,000 +/-3db (vs 20-20,000 +/- 3db)
>- 0.5 kg in weight
>- 10 W in max power consumption
>
>AND more money !!!!
>
>At $69 it was a steal for the CR5, enjoy ...
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:45 AM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 on the way
>
>
>
>
>Managed to get a CR-5 for the low price of $69!  It's condition is
>"Acceptable" with "insignificant" cosmetic wear.  Well, I'm expecting the
>worst (it is guaranteed to work properly at least), any problems I can
>expect with this deck?  Is this one of the decks with the idler problem?
>
>How does this compare with the CR-7?
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Nov 11 06:07:58 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:07:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] junction box
References: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <003001c4c7ac$6a1219d0$ad773242@CopyTech>

A simple Tascam RCA Patchbay .

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <man626 at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:38 AM
Subject: [naktalk] junction box


> Ive got too much stuff to hook up to my pre-amp inputs.I Have 2 Naks,2
> c.d.Players,a turntable,    a dual dubbing deck and  2 tuners.Can anyone
> tell me about a nice "junction box"?I also have MULTI-PLEX vs. AM/FM
> .Which one do i put my tuner into? Also, what is the "Tape head"
> input?Is the basic phono pre-amp input on my dyna FM-3 oK,or would i be
> much better off with a seperate phono pre-amp,and where would i hook up
> a seperate phono pre-amp into?wheeeew! thanks
>
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From gwmcbride at comcast.net  Wed Nov 10 22:06:05 2004
From: gwmcbride at comcast.net (GMcBride)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:06:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <20041109133414.44816.qmail@web52410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBAEIACLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>

It seems to me that the capstan rotational speed differential would produce
a cumulative tape tension differential which would eventually cause tape
stretching.  Honeywell attempted to build a dual capstan Instrumentation
recorder with capstan diameter tolerances held a 50 millionths of an inch
and could not overcome the cumulative differential.  However, those
recorders had to be capable of accurate Record/Reproduction across 28 tracks
from 1 7/8 ips to 240 ips using 1 inch wide tape.  Can you imagine the
potential problems that could occur at 240 ips with even a 0.1% speed
differential?

George
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of kannan srinivasaraghavan
  Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:34 AM
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape tension


  Dragon has a clever design - toimplement the auto reverse with Dual direct
Drive motors!. It uses quartz clock drive with servo control( !) to set very
prcise speed- ofcourse without DD cog - something like a jerk. The speed
differential is 0.1% only literally both run at slightly ( very very small
indeed) different speed and when direction changes - again the take up
capstan rotates at slightly higher speed than the supply spoo. because the
diameter is different so the rpms are different.
  What happens when the capstans are slightly different surface speed is
that the tape is under slight tension - just enough to keep the tape flat
against the play record head. If  one of the pinch rollar does not hold the
tape , question of slipping - the tape will get pinched and cut in any Nak
dual capstan decks. I found that in one another deck where the belt had lost
the correct tension
  kannan
  GMcBride <gwmcbride at comcast.net> wrote:
    Is it possible that the Dragon has a speed servo driving the correct
capstan
    depending on which direction the tape is moving?

    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
    Behalf Of Ti Kan
    Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:14 PM
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension


    Tim Barrett writes:
    > Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some time. It
    > has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
    > ...
    >
    > Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the Dragon? Are the
    > capstans the same diameter or different diameters? Can a Dragon owner
    > out there tell me?

    The Dragon's two capstans are also different diameters. I guess the
    auto reverse means that the speed differential must swap sides in order
    for the tension-tightening to work in both directions. Interesting
    thought about the flutter, though; although maybe the tape isn't really
    slipping, but the supply side capstan is driven with less torque,
    so that it could be forced to rotate at the same speed as the take-up
    side when the tape has reached tension. On the Dragon, this is more
    complicated because the two capstans are each directly driven by its
    own motor.

    -Ti
    --
    Ti Kan
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From flifton at mac.com  Thu Nov 11 01:10:55 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:10:55 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Thanks and an OT recommendation
In-Reply-To: <200411101100.iAAB0Epj015804@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200411101100.iAAB0Epj015804@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <28074543-3376-11D9-AC38-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Thanks to all who responded to my query regarding output levels. I'll 
keep my Nak cranked to 11 and I won't worry about it.

Here's another pitch for the Drive-By Truckers new album, Dirty South: 
a really gorgeous sounding old-school 16-track, 2-inch analog recording 
of songs that give an alternative vision of the American South than 
what you usually hear about in the mainstream media. I just love it 
when new bands use the old gear (you should see the stacks of old 
Marshalls these guys tour with...). Makes me happy to know not all the 
kids have swallowed the digital hype.

many thanks again,
Fred



From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Thu Nov 11 13:30:26 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:30:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] junction box
In-Reply-To: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
References: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041111062736.022bcec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 07:38 11/10/2004, you wrote:
>Ive got too much stuff to hook up to my pre-amp inputs.I Have 2 Naks,2
>c.d.Players,a turntable,    a dual dubbing deck and  2 tuners.Can anyone
>tell me about a nice "junction box"?I also have MULTI-PLEX vs. AM/FM
>.Which one do i put my tuner into? Also, what is the "Tape head"
>input?Is the basic phono pre-amp input on my dyna FM-3 oK,or would i be
>much better off with a seperate phono pre-amp,and where would i hook up
>a seperate phono pre-amp into?wheeeew! thanks

Dear Gerald,

interesting questions for gray hair audiophiles like me!

First, about junction boxes, you may split a high level input into two 
inputs by using a junction box such as this one from QED:

http://www.qed.co.uk/acc/ix20.html

With regards to your preamp, I think you got the model number wrong. The 
FM-3 is an FM Stereo tuner. I am guessing you are using something like the 
a PAS-2 or PAS-2X, a first generation stereo preamp.

http://home.indy.net/~gregdunn/dynaco/components/PAS2/

I grew up playing music through my dad's Scott 130 preamp

http://scoth.by.ru/scott130.html

which was designed about the same time as your Dynaco unit and shares many 
similar characteristics. So, let me explain...

In these days, preamps really earned their name by doing many things not 
feasible with current preamps. Recent preamps typically accept high level 
inputs from your tuner, CD player or Nakamichi cassette deck (to stay 
on-topic!). Some also add "phono" inputs, the more versatile ones offering 
different gain levels for "MM" and "MC" cartridges. Older preamps offered 
an even greater variety of inputs. These included:

-"tape head": in these days, you could buy actual reel-to-reel tape 
"transports". These were units that could move the tape over their heads 
but incorporated no electronica at all. They were relying on outside 
electronics to bring tape heads to life. This means you had to buy 
recording amplifiers and playback preamplifiers, and attach these to your 
tape transport to make your tape deck a functional unit! Try to imagine a 
home reel-to-reel tape deck comprising no less than six pieces: transport, 
two recording amplifiers, two playback preamplifiers and a switching unit! 
This is what we had at home. Your PAS-2 could have done without the 
outboard preamplifiers since they are built-in. Your "tape head" input is 
therefore a low-level high-gain input to which you could connect a wire 
coming directly from the playback head of one of your tape decks. No real 
use for this today.

-"FM-Multiplex" vs "FM/AM" input: this is even more interesting. Before the 
current "FM Stereo" tuners where invented, people where trying to find a 
way to broadcast music in stereo. Someone came up with an idea. Why not 
broadcast one (left) channel on the AM band and the other (right) channel 
on the FM band? Stereo broadcasting was born! All you needed to do was 
connect your AM and FM tuners accordingly! I believe Dyna made separate AM 
and FM tuners that you could connect this way. Some AM/FM tuner boxes of 
these days incorporated both tuners which you could tune independantly to 
achieve so-called stereo reception. My dad's Scott 330D was like that.

http://www.receiver-ratings.com/items/5708960508.html

Of course, sound quality did not match between the two channels and, 
besides, if you only an AM or an FM tuner, you were missing half of the 
music! Someone came to the rescue with "Multiplex" technology which allows 
stereo broadcasting on the FM band. I believe it is still the technology 
being used today. Therefore, I think you can connect your tuner to either 
tuner input since they are both stereo high-level inputs.

Is your "Phono" input okay? You should be the judge. If you decide to get a 
separate preamp, it should connect to any of the high level inputs: NOT 
"Phono", "Tape Head" or "Special".

Enjoy the music!

Regards,

-Marc




From timbarrett at cox.net  Thu Nov 11 14:57:06 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:57:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBAEIACLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
References: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBAEIACLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <41936FB2.90603@cox.net>

Sounds like loads of fun to me, trying to make a mechanism to move tape 
smoothly and reliably at 20 feet per second without damaging the tape.  
Have you ever been in a paper mill and seen how fast paper can be made 
and spooled up?  Incredible.  It's scary just to be near the edge of a 
20 foot wide sheet of paper moving at 50 feet per second under tension.  
I'm not sure of those numbers, but I think they're close. 

Anyway, I'm curious to know how much erase current it would take to 
erase 1 inch wide tape moving that quickly.  Was the erase head water 
cooled?   :-)

I miss my old reel to reel decks.

Tim

GMcBride wrote:

> It seems to me that the capstan rotational speed differential would 
> produce a cumulative tape tension differential which would eventually 
> cause tape stretching.  Honeywell attempted to build a dual capstan 
> Instrumentation recorder with capstan diameter tolerances held a 50 
> millionths of an inch and could not overcome the 
> cumulative differential.  However, those recorders had to be capable 
> of accurate Record/Reproduction across 28 tracks from 1 7/8 ips to 240 
> ips using 1 inch wide tape.  Can you imagine the potential problems 
> that could occur at 240 ips with even a 0.1% speed differential?
>  
> George
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com
>     [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *kannan
>     srinivasaraghavan
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:34 AM
>     *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>     *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] tape tension
>
>     Dragon has a clever design - toimplement the auto reverse with
>     Dual direct Drive motors!. It uses quartz clock drive with servo
>     control( !) to set very prcise speed- ofcourse without DD cog -
>     something like a jerk. The speed differential is 0.1% only
>     literally both run at slightly ( very very small indeed) different
>     speed and when direction changes - again the take up capstan
>     rotates at slightly higher speed than the supply spoo. because the
>     diameter is different so the rpms are different.
>     What happens when the capstans are slightly different surface
>     speed is that the tape is under slight tension - just enough to
>     keep the tape flat against the play record head. If  one of the
>     pinch rollar does not hold the tape , question of slipping - the
>     tape will get pinched and cut in any Nak dual capstan decks. I
>     found that in one another deck where the belt had lost the correct
>     tension
>     kannan
>     */GMcBride <gwmcbride at comcast.net>/* wrote:
>
>         Is it possible that the Dragon has a speed servo driving the
>         correct capstan
>         depending on which direction the tape is moving?
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>         Behalf Of Ti Kan
>         Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:14 PM
>         To: naktalk at naks.com
>         Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension
>
>
>         Tim Barrett writes:
>         > Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some
>         time. It
>         > has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
>         > ...
>         >
>         > Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the
>         Dragon? Are the
>         > capstans the same diameter or different diameters? Can a
>         Dragon owner
>         > out there tell me?
>
>         The Dragon's two capstans are also different diameters. I
>         guess the
>         auto reverse means that the speed differential must swap sides
>         in order
>         for the tension-tightening to work in both directions. Interesting
>         thought about the flutter, though; although maybe the tape
>         isn't really
>         slipping, but the supply side capstan is driven with less torque,
>         so that it could be forced to rotate at the same speed as the
>         take-up
>         side when the tape has reached tension. On the Dragon, this is
>         more
>         complicated because the two capstans are each directly driven
>         by its
>         own motor.
>
>         -Ti
>         --
>         Ti Kan
>         http://www.amb.org/ti
>         Vorsprung durch Technik
>
>


From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Nov 11 13:41:11 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:41:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] junction box
In-Reply-To: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
References: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <41935DE7.8060309@snet.net>

I was faced with a similar issue in my system and have been very pleased 
with the DBX 200x router. I can select and dub between three decks and 
use the processor loops to integrate another three line level devices!

Ed

Gerald G. wrote:

>Ive got too much stuff to hook up to my pre-amp inputs.I Have 2 Naks,2
>c.d.Players,a turntable,    a dual dubbing deck and  2 tuners.Can anyone
>tell me about a nice "junction box"?I also have MULTI-PLEX vs. AM/FM
>.Which one do i put my tuner into? Also, what is the "Tape head"
>input?Is the basic phono pre-amp input on my dyna FM-3 oK,or would i be
>much better off with a seperate phono pre-amp,and where would i hook up
>a seperate phono pre-amp into?wheeeew! thanks
>
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From flifton at mac.com  Thu Nov 11 21:16:13 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:16:13 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman k-03
In-Reply-To: <200411111100.iABB0Fpj019216@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200411111100.iABB0Fpj019216@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <88D27AD4-341E-11D9-9AAC-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
Anyone familiar with this deck?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItem&category=4784&item=5730521708&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

I'm pretty impressed with the Lux stuff of this vintage and this piece  
would go nicely with my current stack, but I would love to know what  
the experts on the list think.

tia,
Fred



From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Nov 12 12:27:52 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:27:52 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman k-03
References: <200411111100.iABB0Fpj019216@zebra.naks.com>
	<88D27AD4-341E-11D9-9AAC-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001501c4c8aa$a7391cb0$1510a8c0@TG>

I have K-05. Very complicated and heavy with electronics used.
Result is close to perfection with any tape thanks to its auto calibration.
K-03 uses manual calibration. Worth having such a vintage.
Bye,
Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <flifton at mac.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman k-03


> Hi all,
> Anyone familiar with this deck?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&category=4784&item=5730521708&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
> I'm pretty impressed with the Lux stuff of this vintage and this piece
> would go nicely with my current stack, but I would love to know what  the
> experts on the list think.
>
> tia,
> Fred
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Nov 12 19:52:30 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (dgb100)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:52:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 arrives, idler problem?
Message-ID: <4195066e.23c.5824e.31159@psulias.psu.edu>

Well the CR-5 arrived today, cosmetically it's damn near
perfect. I fired it up, cleaned the heads and demaged it. 
Heads were pretty clean.  Initially it played superb, the
bass on this thing is unlike any deck I've heard before. 
Listened to Metalica And Justice for All, the place was
rockin.  Well, I stopped the tape, walked away for a while
and came back.  Now it wont rewind, fast forward (these
initially worked), and will play for about 5 seconds before
stopping, due to the tape not feeding up properly.

Is this the Idler wheel problem?  Will the idler from my
CR-2 work on the CR-5 til I can order up a new set?

Thanks a bunch.  Totally stoked about getting this thing up
and running!


From ernie_worley at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 12 20:57:48 2004
From: ernie_worley at bellsouth.net (Ernie Worley)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:57:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 Pinch Wheel
Message-ID: <NEBBJPADELGOHBJICCEDAELECEAA.ernie_worley@bellsouth.net>

Hello Nak Experts,

I acquired a BX-150 and replaced the idler tire.  Works peachy fine.

But the Pinch Wheel looks to be over the hill.  Some questions:
  1. Is replacement pinch wheel available somewhere?
  2. MCM site shows a universal pinch roller p/n 41-920.  Will it fit?
  3. Anyone have procedure for replacing it?

FYI, I recently bought a bottle of Radio Shack tape head cleaner 44-1113D.
Ingredients are listed as a blend of alcohols (isopropyl, ethyl, methyl).
Does NOT work as well as cleaners used in the past containing carbon tet and
such.  What is the best head cleaner available these days?

Thanks in advance,
Ernie_W




From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Nov 14 02:14:13 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:14:13 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 arrives, idler problem?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D72F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I'm pretty sure that the idler from your CR-2 will be a perfect fit on your
CR-5. Congrats on your CR5.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: dgb100 [mailto:dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu] 
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 5:53 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 arrives, idler problem?


Well the CR-5 arrived today, cosmetically it's damn near perfect. I fired it
up, cleaned the heads and demaged it. 
Heads were pretty clean.  Initially it played superb, the
bass on this thing is unlike any deck I've heard before. 
Listened to Metalica And Justice for All, the place was
rockin.  Well, I stopped the tape, walked away for a while
and came back.  Now it wont rewind, fast forward (these initially worked),
and will play for about 5 seconds before stopping, due to the tape not
feeding up properly.

Is this the Idler wheel problem?  Will the idler from my
CR-2 work on the CR-5 til I can order up a new set?

Thanks a bunch.  Totally stoked about getting this thing up
and running!
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Nov 14 02:17:58 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:17:58 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman k-03
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D730@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I'd snap this one up if I were you. I have a test report on the k-04 and it
kicks butt. I own a luxman m-02 power amp and to date not problems, they
certanly built their stuff pretty well.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Lifton [mailto:flifton at mac.com] 
Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 7:16 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman k-03


Hi all,
Anyone familiar with this deck? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItem&category=4784&item=5730521708&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

I'm pretty impressed with the Lux stuff of this vintage and this piece  
would go nicely with my current stack, but I would love to know what  
the experts on the list think.

tia,
Fred

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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Nov 14 06:13:31 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 23:13:31 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: San Fran NakFest Photos.....
Message-ID: <007a01c4ca08$b6b34e90$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Attention San Fran NakFesters.........

Just looking again at your web page of photos (Ti Kan's page, I recollect), and wondering when some captions will be added to the many nice images of the gathering.  Many excellent Nak gear items displayed, tasty to view.  Would be extra nice with some additional info describing the particulars.  

http://www.ibiblio.org/tkan/audio/sfnaks/

I'm also looking at the Marathon MkII web page, and I have a few things to finalize there.  I've got the raw info from you guys posted, now its time to sort that out and show the playlist from your music compilation more concisely.  Perhaps you fellows can help out by listing the specifics into a cohesive sequence of music tracks.  No big rush, but now that we have the raw info all together, perhaps the Marathon website can be finished up by the end of the calendar year.

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon2004.html

You're invited to email me directly with your comments.

I'm dabbling with a design for my personal copy of the Marathon Tapes Mk II on cassette, always a delight to come up with a unique j-card for another fine effort between us Nakkers!  All for now, I'm grooving to some good music on the Nak ZX-7 tonight, J Tull's "Stand Up" album.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Sun Nov 14 06:18:50 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:18:50 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Luxman k-03
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D730@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D730@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <AAF7E610-35FC-11D9-8BB4-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au>

I've had a Luxman receiver R1050 since about 1978 and it is still in  
use by the wife with Nak LX3. Only problem ever was cable coming off  
dial wheel.
Also have newer Luxman receiver A-371, which runs with the Nak 582, but  
don't recommend their CD player D-351 which sounds a bit dull.

David

On 14/11/2004, at 11:17 AM, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:

> I'd snap this one up if I were you. I have a test report on the k-04  
> and it
> kicks butt. I own a luxman m-02 power amp and to date not problems,  
> they
> certanly built their stuff pretty well.
>
> 	Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Lifton [mailto:flifton at mac.com]
> Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 7:16 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Luxman k-03
>
>
> Hi all,
> Anyone familiar with this deck? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&category=4784&item=5730521708&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
> I'm pretty impressed with the Lux stuff of this vintage and this piece
> would go nicely with my current stack, but I would love to know what
> the experts on the list think.
>
> tia,
> Fred
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From jmtooley at verizon.net  Sun Nov 14 18:24:48 2004
From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John Tooley)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:24:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] junction box - DBX 200
References: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
	<41935DE7.8060309@snet.net>
Message-ID: <007501c4ca6e$e1e6d030$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl>

Ed and anybody else,

I bought one of these but can't get it to work. Are there any jumpers 
required on the back panel between RCA sockets? We tried everything, 
checking inputs/outputs from two reel to reel machines but it wouldn't work. 
Any unique switch settings needed?

Thanks,
John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] junction box


>I was faced with a similar issue in my system and have been very pleased 
>with the DBX 200x router. I can select and dub between three decks and use 
>the processor loops to integrate another three line level devices!
>
> Ed
>
> Gerald G. wrote:
>
>>Ive got too much stuff to hook up to my pre-amp inputs.I Have 2 Naks,2
>>c.d.Players,a turntable,    a dual dubbing deck and  2 tuners.Can anyone
>>tell me about a nice "junction box"?I also have MULTI-PLEX vs. AM/FM
>>.Which one do i put my tuner into? Also, what is the "Tape head"
>>input?Is the basic phono pre-amp input on my dyna FM-3 oK,or would i be
>>much better off with a seperate phono pre-amp,and where would i hook up
>>a seperate phono pre-amp into?wheeeew! thanks
>>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Nov 15 04:50:46 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:50:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Systems
References: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net><41935DE7.8060309@snet.net>
	<007501c4ca6e$e1e6d030$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl>
Message-ID: <001d01c4cac6$506554d0$80773242@CopyTech>

I've been reading with interest some of the folks here describing their 
systems around their Naks (remember, we have to keep mentioning the Naks in 
the messages in order to comply with the Nak list requirements ... Ha !)

In my very personal and peculiar situation, I have a system in each of the 
rooms, and I'm not kidding ! My wife was telling me yesterday : "At least I 
can go into the bathroom without coming across an speaker or somethig 
electronic in there " !

Well, here are some for you guys to enjoy ...

First system: Surround Cinema:

A Harman Kardon receiver 100w X 5  - AVR 70
Pioneer DVD Player
Parasound 1000 CD
Sony DAT ES 75 (For Direct TV concert recordings, etc ...)
Klipsch Powered Towers KSP 300 front speakers with the giant C-7 as center 
channel
Klipsch KSF- S - 5 for rear

System 2: Living room where I usually analyze my masterings

Linn LP 12 with a Koetsu Black, Ittok arm
Technics 1700 open reel
Soundcraftsmen 2212 eq.
Carver CM 1090 integrated
Carver Tuner
Revox B 226 CD Player
Klipsch KSF 8.5 speakers

System 3: William's room (youngest son - 11 - )

Cambridge Audio integrated
Platinum Audio Monitors
An array of Sega, Playstation and X-Box systems

System 4: Carlos Jr. room (elder son - 16 -)

Arcam Integrated
Thiel 1 Speakers
Nakamichi 500
Harman Kardon CD Player

System 5: My room

Yamaha 2020 Receiver
CEC CD Player
Nakamichi Dragon
Mordaunt Short Speakers

The system 6 would be the mastering room but that's another thing.

In storage, (perhaps for sale someday):

Adcom 100 x 5 Home Theater Amp in the box
Adcom Home Theater Amp (3 ch.) with Surround processor
Meridian Pre Amp with surround controller
Jolida 202 Tube integrated in the box
Tannoy PMB 8 Monitors
Golden Tube SE-100 behemoth tube amplifier (85 pounds !) in box

Plus some oldies like: dbx 228, aural exciter, 2 Tascam patchbays, recorder 
selectors (2), dynafex single end noise reduction unit and I don't know how 
many wires and interconectors of all kind and brands: Tiff, MIT, Monster, 
LAT, Canare, Belden, Monster M 1 Reference Speaker wire and the list goes 
on.

My last inventory, before the past 2 "garage sales" I did, indicated that I 
use to have over 100 pieces of audio worthing over 100k and I'm not 
bullshitting guys. I know that in this list there are crazier people than 
me. We have a fellow here that have so many things that he couldn't keep up 
with his inventory down there in Stockton, California and so on.

Carlos


From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Nov 15 04:57:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:57:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Systems
References: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net><41935DE7.8060309@snet.net><007501c4ca6e$e1e6d030$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl>
	<001d01c4cac6$506554d0$80773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000201c4cac7$b6e637a0$80773242@CopyTech>

I forgot the Crown Amplifier and Audio Control C 101 eq ... wew !

Carlos


From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 15 02:38:41 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:38:41 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak RD-701 car cassette deck
Message-ID: <BAY101-F17ZgNVWa60y000531be@hotmail.com>


Hi,

Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Nakamichi RD-701 car 
cassette player? I recently bought one off Ebay and am awaiting it's arrival 
so I thought I'll try to dig up as much info on it as possible.




From enoyes at snet.net  Mon Nov 15 03:21:21 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:21:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] junction box - DBX 200
In-Reply-To: <007501c4ca6e$e1e6d030$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl>
References: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>	<41935DE7.8060309@snet.net>
	<007501c4ca6e$e1e6d030$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl>
Message-ID: <419812A1.4080804@snet.net>

Yes, if you don't put jumpers from the noise reduction ins to outs 
located in the middle of the back panel then you get nothing for sound.

Best, Ed

John Tooley wrote:

> Ed and anybody else,
>
> I bought one of these but can't get it to work. Are there any jumpers 
> required on the back panel between RCA sockets? We tried everything, 
> checking inputs/outputs from two reel to reel machines but it wouldn't 
> work. Any unique switch settings needed?
>
> Thanks,
> John
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] junction box
>
>
>> I was faced with a similar issue in my system and have been very 
>> pleased with the DBX 200x router. I can select and dub between three 
>> decks and use the processor loops to integrate another three line 
>> level devices!
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Gerald G. wrote:
>>
>>> Ive got too much stuff to hook up to my pre-amp inputs.I Have 2 Naks,2
>>> c.d.Players,a turntable,    a dual dubbing deck and  2 tuners.Can 
>>> anyone
>>> tell me about a nice "junction box"?I also have MULTI-PLEX vs. AM/FM
>>> .Which one do i put my tuner into? Also, what is the "Tape head"
>>> input?Is the basic phono pre-amp input on my dyna FM-3 oK,or would i be
>>> much better off with a seperate phono pre-amp,and where would i hook up
>>> a seperate phono pre-amp into?wheeeew! thanks
>>>
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From enoyes at snet.net  Mon Nov 15 04:38:19 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:38:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] How about a little ZXE?
Message-ID: <419824AB.4060404@snet.net>

I've been pondering... we all pretty well know that the ZXL decks can be 
notoriously unreliable at this age. And that certain parts can not be 
found without signing in blood and making a deal involving your first 
born. Well how about the slightly less complex ZXE? I may not recall 
well, but isn't the primary difference in the calibration system... and 
isn't that the biggest problem with the ZXL? I'm wondering if with a ZXE 
model you can get 99% of the pleasure without the wallet draining heartache.

Any experiences out there... Carlos?

Best, Ed



From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se  Mon Nov 15 10:04:44 2004
From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:04:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] How about a little ZXE?
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Nov 15 15:14:10 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:14:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 arrives, idler problem?
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041115091234.0195c110@psulias.psu.edu>

Well, a good cleaning of the innards resulted in the FF and REW working 
fine for the time being.  The intermittent play problem also seems to have 
been resolved.  She's working at %100 right now!  I did order up 5 idler 
wheels for future use.  Looks a lot easier than switching out the gears.

At 08:14 PM 11/13/2004, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:
>I'm pretty sure that the idler from your CR-2 will be a perfect fit on your
>CR-5. Congrats on your CR5.
>
>         Tom.



From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 15 15:21:29 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:21:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Junction Box
References: <200411151100.iAFB0Wpi006730@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4cb1e$664f31a0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

I use a Niles Audio TSB-3 junction box--it has 4 rotary dials on the front,
is elegantly simple, and allows any possible combination of recording "from"
and "to".
They also make a wide range of other switching systems--well worth a look!

Check out this website:

http://www.nilesaudio.com/products/switchs.html

Best,

Paul Dingle




From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Nov 15 22:04:29 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:04:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] How about a little ZXE?
References: <419824AB.4060404@snet.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c4cb56$b30d5d40$33773242@CopyTech>

I recall Stephen saying that it was his favorite deck and better sounding 
than the ZXL cousin. He use to have a "hot rod" 700 ZXE and he said that he 
would put it side by side against any other model out there !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] How about a little ZXE?


> I've been pondering... we all pretty well know that the ZXL decks can be 
> notoriously unreliable at this age. And that certain parts can not be 
> found without signing in blood and making a deal involving your first 
> born. Well how about the slightly less complex ZXE? I may not recall well, 
> but isn't the primary difference in the calibration system... and isn't 
> that the biggest problem with the ZXL? I'm wondering if with a ZXE model 
> you can get 99% of the pleasure without the wallet draining heartache.
>
> Any experiences out there... Carlos?
>
> Best, Ed
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Nov 15 22:05:51 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:05:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Junction Box
References: <200411151100.iAFB0Wpi006730@zebra.naks.com>
	<000501c4cb1e$664f31a0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <002f01c4cb56$e3d0e280$33773242@CopyTech>

Niles is good, too. I also have a Radio Schack passive selector that takes 
up to 3 decks but I'm afraid they don't do it anymore.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fugue" <fugue4all at shaw.ca>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 6:21 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Junction Box


>I use a Niles Audio TSB-3 junction box--it has 4 rotary dials on the front,
> is elegantly simple, and allows any possible combination of recording 
> "from"
> and "to".
> They also make a wide range of other switching systems--well worth a look!
>
> Check out this website:
>
> http://www.nilesaudio.com/products/switchs.html
>
> Best,
>
> Paul Dingle
>
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From lists at richardhess.com  Mon Nov 15 19:52:49 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:52:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Junction Box
In-Reply-To: <002f01c4cb56$e3d0e280$33773242@CopyTech>
References: <200411151100.iAFB0Wpi006730@zebra.naks.com>
	<000501c4cb1e$664f31a0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041115135030.00bbfa30@127.0.0.1>

Carlos, they now do audio-video switches. The latest incarnation is 
weighted with top-mounted switches and incorporates composite/S video 
switch and it's $20US

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F003%5F010%5F011%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D1983

Radio Shack Canada has a different selection
http://www.radioshack.ca/estore/category.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=RadioShack&category=AVSelectors&pagenum=1

Cheers,

Richard

At 01:05 PM 11/15/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Niles is good, too. I also have a Radio Schack passive selector that takes 
>up to 3 decks but I'm afraid they don't do it anymore.
>
>Carlos




From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 15 22:15:43 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:15:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] How about a little ZXE?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c4cb56$b30d5d40$33773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20041115211543.82806.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com>

I had a chance to work on Faud' 700 ZXE and happen to hear it. It is definitely an amazing Nak model . My only complaint is about its size. If you can get hold of something like what Faud has ( it is mint with its original box and Dolby C adaptor - he got it for about 400$ range but had Orange cap problem and as well as Head alignment issues)
kannan
El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:I recall Stephen saying that it was his favorite deck and better sounding 
than the ZXL cousin. He use to have a "hot rod" 700 ZXE and he said that he 
would put it side by side against any other model out there !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Noyes" 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] How about a little ZXE?


> I've been pondering... we all pretty well know that the ZXL decks can be 
> notoriously unreliable at this age. And that certain parts can not be 
> found without signing in blood and making a deal involving your first 
> born. Well how about the slightly less complex ZXE? I may not recall well, 
> but isn't the primary difference in the calibration system... and isn't 
> that the biggest problem with the ZXL? I'm wondering if with a ZXE model 
> you can get 99% of the pleasure without the wallet draining heartache.
>
> Any experiences out there... Carlos?
>
> Best, Ed
>
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 15 22:23:22 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:23:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBAEIACLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20041115212322.7018.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes Nak produces a net tape tension - just enough to keep the tape right on the play/ record head. If the head height / azimuth are all adjusted correctly with correct speed differential; this small tape streching force does not cause any problem at all - because the speed is very slow compared any of the spool recorders. I have tapes recorded about 15 years back on Dual capstan pressure pad less naksand played many times without any problem at all! You have pointed a system which is almost 100 times the speed of Cassette tape on the recorders!
kannan

GMcBride <gwmcbride at comcast.net> wrote:
It seems to me that the capstan rotational speed differential would produce a cumulative tape tension differential which would eventually cause tape stretching.  Honeywell attempted to build a dual capstan Instrumentation recorder with capstan diameter tolerances held a 50 millionths of an inch and could not overcome the cumulative differential.  However, those recorders had to be capable of accurate Record/Reproduction across 28 tracks from 1 7/8 ips to 240 ips using 1 inch wide tape.  Can you imagine the potential problems that could occur at 240 ips with even a 0.1% speed differential?
 
George
-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:34 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape tension


Dragon has a clever design - toimplement the auto reverse with Dual direct Drive motors!. It uses quartz clock drive with servo control( !) to set very prcise speed- ofcourse without DD cog - something like a jerk. The speed differential is 0.1% only literally both run at slightly ( very very small indeed) different speed and when direction changes - again the take up capstan rotates at slightly higher speed than the supply spoo. because the diameter is different so the rpms are different.
What happens when the capstans are slightly different surface speed is that the tape is under slight tension - just enough to keep the tape flat against the play record head. If  one of the pinch rollar does not hold the tape , question of slipping - the tape will get pinched and cut in any Nak dual capstan decks. I found that in one another deck where the belt had lost the correct tension
kannan
GMcBride <gwmcbride at comcast.net> wrote:
Is it possible that the Dragon has a speed servo driving the correct capstan
depending on which direction the tape is moving?

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Ti Kan
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:14 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension


Tim Barrett writes:
> Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some time. It
> has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
> ...
>
> Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the Dragon? Are the
> capstans the same diameter or different diameters? Can a Dragon owner
> out there tell me?

The Dragon's two capstans are also different diameters. I guess the
auto reverse means that the speed differential must swap sides in order
for the tension-tightening to work in both directions. Interesting
thought about the flutter, though; although maybe the tape isn't really
slipping, but the supply side capstan is driven with less torque,
so that it could be forced to rotate at the same speed as the take-up
side when the tape has reached tension. On the Dragon, this is more
complicated because the two capstans are each directly driven by its
own motor.

-Ti
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Nov 16 08:23:06 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:23:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Junction Box
References: <200411151100.iAFB0Wpi006730@zebra.naks.com><000501c4cb1e$664f31a0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20041115135030.00bbfa30@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <000b01c4cbad$1fa75fe0$08773242@CopyTech>

That's good to know. The one I have has been very reliable for years and 
years. I also have a Sony, the one with the push buttons, and that one has 
been in my family for over 20 years now.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Junction Box


> Carlos, they now do audio-video switches. The latest incarnation is 
> weighted with top-mounted switches and incorporates composite/S video 
> switch and it's $20US
>
> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F003%5F010%5F011%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D1983
>
> Radio Shack Canada has a different selection
> http://www.radioshack.ca/estore/category.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=RadioShack&category=AVSelectors&pagenum=1
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
> At 01:05 PM 11/15/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>>Niles is good, too. I also have a Radio Schack passive selector that takes 
>>up to 3 decks but I'm afraid they don't do it anymore.
>>
>>Carlos
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Summary
New info (why the price is now silly high):

I hooked this deck up, and was astonished! I have upgraded the rest of the system since last time and wasn't fully able to appreciate how fantastic this deck is. I decided to keep it for recording LP, unless someone pays the new starting price. (No-one has made a bid yet, so I figure this is generally seen as OK to do? Had a bid come in I would never have gone back on the offer.)
BTW, monitoring through the tape loop sounded exactly like the original signal. Also, when taping I first thought I had left it on "source monitor" because I couldn't hear any difference after tape! (And my system is very transparent: ML380S preamp, Marantz SA-1 CD/SACD, etc.)
I have a couple of Dragons as well which I will put up here shortly. (I'll test them and let you know how they compare to the CR7A.)
I apologize if you were hoping to snipe this one at £390. ;-)
New info ends.
The Nakamichi CR7A is one of Nakamichi's great achivements. It is self-calibrating for any type of tape&nbsp;and offers remote control via an infra-red remote (the Dragon uses a cable remote). The remote control controls all the transport functions, "rec", and even playback head azimuth adjustment! Azimuth adjustment allows you to get perfect playback on tapes made on any other cassette deck! Perfect for archival to CD for example.
I initially bought this one and a Dragon to use for archival of cassette to CD, but time will be in short supply soon, so it will have to go! (Along with other gear of mine -see my other auctions!)
Recording/playback on the CR7A and on the Dragon sounds better than CD to my ears. I tested this with my Michell Orbe / Kontrapunkt B / Black Cube / ML 380S combo, recording LP to cassette and CD.&nbsp;(Recording to CD using a LynxONE professional sound card for comparison.) I think cassette sounded better! (Of course, LP beats CD hands down, but you knew that already! Right? ;-)
Some say the CR7A sounds better than the Dragon. This could well be true -I would be hard pressed to tell the difference either way!
You also get a new 230 to 110 volt transformer since this deck uses 110v!
(Old: I'll start this one at silly a low price, which I will pray goes up a bit! :-D)
For reviews, see:
http://www.audioreview.com/Tape,Decks/Nakamichi/PRD_121128_1595crx.aspx
See very large photos at: http://pfloding.no-ip.com/nakamichi_cr7a
Or enlarge the photos below (smaller than at the link above)! I might add more photos later to the link shown above!

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From sinuhe at r-grieco.net  Mon Nov 15 19:02:16 2004
From: sinuhe at r-grieco.net (Raffaele Grieco)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:02:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Junction Box
References: <200411151100.iAFB0Wpi006730@zebra.naks.com>
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Message-ID: <000d01c4cb57$d9991ca0$f2adcbd5@rg>

I have three hints to suggests to the group:

- Akai DS-5: tape deck selector. Full switching between 4 (four!)
recorders, plus amp in/out. Each recorder individually selectable. I
have one, you can found on eBay around $70

- Sony SB-500: switches among 3 recorders, sells around $50. A bit less
versatile than the Akai.

- Sony SB-5335, currently on sale on eBay (item 5731711578). Connects up
to 3 amplifiers, 3 turntables, 3 tuners, 3 tape decks, and 5 pairs of
speakers, and you can select any combination of components. The auction
starts from $10, but the seller put the "buy it now" price at $500, a
bit overpriced in my opinion.

Happy switching to all,

Raffaele



From gwmcbride at comcast.net  Tue Nov 16 04:39:15 2004
From: gwmcbride at comcast.net (GMcBride)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:39:15 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <20041115212322.7018.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBIEKACLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>

Hi Kannan,

I fail to understand the need for the complex dual capstan system in an
audio deck and the potential damage to the tape in the cassette when
considering that all audio cassettes have a built-in pressure pad.

George
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of kannan srinivasaraghavan
  Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:23 PM
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape tension


  Yes Nak produces a net tape tension - just enough to keep the tape right
on the play/ record head. If the head height / azimuth are all adjusted
correctly with correct speed differential; this small tape streching force
does not cause any problem at all - because the speed is very slow compared
any of the spool recorders. I have tapes recorded about 15 years back on
Dual capstan pressure pad less naksand played many times without any problem
at all! You have pointed a system which is almost 100 times the speed of
Cassette tape on the recorders!
  kannan

  GMcBride <gwmcbride at comcast.net> wrote:
    It seems to me that the capstan rotational speed differential would
produce a cumulative tape tension differential which would eventually cause
tape stretching.  Honeywell attempted to build a dual capstan
Instrumentation recorder with capstan diameter tolerances held a 50
millionths of an inch and could not overcome the cumulative differential.
However, those recorders had to be capable of accurate Record/Reproduction
across 28 tracks from 1 7/8 ips to 240 ips using 1 inch wide tape.  Can you
imagine the potential problems that could occur at 240 ips with even a 0.1%
speed differential?

    George
      -----Original Message-----
      From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan
      Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:34 AM
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
      Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape tension


      Dragon has a clever design - toimplement the auto reverse with Dual
direct Drive motors!. It uses quartz clock drive with servo control( !) to
set very prcise speed- ofcourse without DD cog - something like a jerk. The
speed differential is 0.1% only literally both run at slightly ( very very
small indeed) different speed and when direction changes - again the take up
capstan rotates at slightly higher speed than the supply spoo. because the
diameter is different so the rpms are different.
      What happens when the capstans are slightly different surface speed is
that the tape is under slight tension - just enough to keep the tape flat
against the play record head. If  one of the pinch rollar does not hold the
tape , question of slipping - the tape will get pinched and cut in any Nak
dual capstan decks. I found that in one another deck where the belt had lost
the correct tension
      kannan
      GMcBride <gwmcbride at comcast.net> wrote:
        Is it possible that the Dragon has a speed servo driving the correct
capstan
        depending on which direction the tape is moving?

        -----Original Message-----
        From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
        Behalf Of Ti Kan
        Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:14 PM
        To: naktalk at naks.com
        Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension


        Tim Barrett writes:
        > Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some time.
It
        > has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
        > ...
        >
        > Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the Dragon? Are
the
        > capstans the same diameter or different diameters? Can a Dragon
owner
        > out there tell me?

        The Dragon's two capstans are also different diameters. I guess the
        auto reverse means that the speed differential must swap sides in
order
        for the tension-tightening to work in both directions. Interesting
        thought about the flutter, though; although maybe the tape isn't
really
        slipping, but the supply side capstan is driven with less torque,
        so that it could be forced to rotate at the same speed as the
take-up
        side when the tape has reached tension. On the Dragon, this is more
        complicated because the two capstans are each directly driven by its
        own motor.

        -Ti
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From gwmcbride at comcast.net  Tue Nov 16 04:47:25 2004
From: gwmcbride at comcast.net (GMcBride)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:47:25 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <41936FB2.90603@cox.net>
Message-ID: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBCEKBCLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>

Hi Tim,

I can certainly understand your apprehension standing next to a sheet of
paper moving that fast !!  I used to work in the roll mill of a steel mill
where we took a translucent red ingot (heat) and made sheet metal out of it.
After it went through the last roll, it was moving at about 75 MPH !!

The Instrumentation recorders I was referring to use two one inch wide
stacks of 14 channels for Record and another set for Reproduce.  There were
no Erase heads as a bulk degausser was used and the tape speed increased
along with the necessary data rate.  The Record current remained the same
throughout the speed range.  The critical component was Head-to-Tape
contact.

George


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Tim Barrett
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:57 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; audiotalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension


Sounds like loads of fun to me, trying to make a mechanism to move tape
smoothly and reliably at 20 feet per second without damaging the tape.
Have you ever been in a paper mill and seen how fast paper can be made
and spooled up?  Incredible.  It's scary just to be near the edge of a
20 foot wide sheet of paper moving at 50 feet per second under tension.
I'm not sure of those numbers, but I think they're close.

Anyway, I'm curious to know how much erase current it would take to
erase 1 inch wide tape moving that quickly.  Was the erase head water
cooled?   :-)

I miss my old reel to reel decks.

Tim

GMcBride wrote:

> It seems to me that the capstan rotational speed differential would
> produce a cumulative tape tension differential which would eventually
> cause tape stretching.  Honeywell attempted to build a dual capstan
> Instrumentation recorder with capstan diameter tolerances held a 50
> millionths of an inch and could not overcome the
> cumulative differential.  However, those recorders had to be capable
> of accurate Record/Reproduction across 28 tracks from 1 7/8 ips to 240
> ips using 1 inch wide tape.  Can you imagine the potential problems
> that could occur at 240 ips with even a 0.1% speed differential?
>
> George
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com
>     [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *kannan
>     srinivasaraghavan
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:34 AM
>     *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>     *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] tape tension
>
>     Dragon has a clever design - toimplement the auto reverse with
>     Dual direct Drive motors!. It uses quartz clock drive with servo
>     control( !) to set very prcise speed- ofcourse without DD cog -
>     something like a jerk. The speed differential is 0.1% only
>     literally both run at slightly ( very very small indeed) different
>     speed and when direction changes - again the take up capstan
>     rotates at slightly higher speed than the supply spoo. because the
>     diameter is different so the rpms are different.
>     What happens when the capstans are slightly different surface
>     speed is that the tape is under slight tension - just enough to
>     keep the tape flat against the play record head. If  one of the
>     pinch rollar does not hold the tape , question of slipping - the
>     tape will get pinched and cut in any Nak dual capstan decks. I
>     found that in one another deck where the belt had lost the correct
>     tension
>     kannan
>     */GMcBride <gwmcbride at comcast.net>/* wrote:
>
>         Is it possible that the Dragon has a speed servo driving the
>         correct capstan
>         depending on which direction the tape is moving?
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>         Behalf Of Ti Kan
>         Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:14 PM
>         To: naktalk at naks.com
>         Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension
>
>
>         Tim Barrett writes:
>         > Here is a question that has bothered me unanswered for some
>         time. It
>         > has to do with the Nakamichi dual-capstan anti-resonance design.
>         > ...
>         >
>         > Ok, this is all well and good, but what happens on the
>         Dragon? Are the
>         > capstans the same diameter or different diameters? Can a
>         Dragon owner
>         > out there tell me?
>
>         The Dragon's two capstans are also different diameters. I
>         guess the
>         auto reverse means that the speed differential must swap sides
>         in order
>         for the tension-tightening to work in both directions. Interesting
>         thought about the flutter, though; although maybe the tape
>         isn't really
>         slipping, but the supply side capstan is driven with less torque,
>         so that it could be forced to rotate at the same speed as the
>         take-up
>         side when the tape has reached tension. On the Dragon, this is
>         more
>         complicated because the two capstans are each directly driven
>         by its
>         own motor.
>
>         -Ti
>         --
>         Ti Kan
>         http://www.amb.org/ti
>         Vorsprung durch Technik
>
>
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From shine.like.stars at comcast.net  Tue Nov 16 04:43:23 2004
From: shine.like.stars at comcast.net (Jeff Birgbauer)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:43:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] new nak owner! best cleaner?
Message-ID: <AA37527C-3781-11D9-8692-0003936E2A08@comcast.net>

hi,
i just bought my first Nak on ebay CR 3A. they said it was cleaned but 
the inside looks like it may need cleaning

more importantly and the purpose of this mail is what is the best 
cleaner to get. my old aiwa died years ago and i forget but i did use 
some fluid with long q-tip like swabs

thanks
jeff



From ti at amb.org  Tue Nov 16 10:26:00 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:26:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBIEKACLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net> from
	"GMcBride" at Nov 15, 2004 08:39:15 PM
Message-ID: <20041116092600.7187716996@smtp.amb.org>

GMcBride writes:
> I fail to understand the need for the complex dual capstan system in an
> audio deck and the potential damage to the tape in the cassette when
> considering that all audio cassettes have a built-in pressure pad.

Most Nakamichis have a pressure pad lifter on the head, explicitly
to prevent the pressure pad from contacting the back of the tape.
Nakamichi has determined that such pressure pads actually cause
scrape flutter and modulation noise.  With the ultra-stable tape
transport system in Naks, no such pad is necessary.

-Ti
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Vorsprung durch Technik



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Nov 16 11:52:47 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:52:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
Message-ID: <s199f833.056@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Exactly so Ti,

The pressure pad lifter on Nak dual capstan decks also has the welcome effect of minimising tape stress (dynamic forces such as stretching effects) as well as reducing head wear to a negligible level.

In fairness to certain single capstan decks of the late nineties, the sorbothane cushioning, ceramic holders and the like 
kept the cassettes very tightly in place and the steadiness of decks such as Yamaha KX-580SE, Pioneer CTS-550S and Sony TCKA1/2ES was very high.  Certainly there is no modulation noise and the image is rock solid.  Only with the most careful of listening can you find fault with thse units transports in the form of minute tape travel inconsistencies.  I picked this up with headphones on one or two occasions.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> ti at amb.org 11/16/04 11:26AM >>>
GMcBride writes:
> I fail to understand the need for the complex dual capstan system in an
> audio deck and the potential damage to the tape in the cassette when
> considering that all audio cassettes have a built-in pressure pad.

Most Nakamichis have a pressure pad lifter on the head, explicitly
to prevent the pressure pad from contacting the back of the tape.
Nakamichi has determined that such pressure pads actually cause
scrape flutter and modulation noise.  With the ultra-stable tape
transport system in Naks, no such pad is necessary.

-Ti
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Tue Nov 16 12:08:04 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:08:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBIEKACLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
References: <20041115212322.7018.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com>
	<MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBIEKACLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041116060355.01ff7100@pop.iquebec.com>

At 22:39 11/15/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Kannan,
>
>I fail to understand the need for the complex dual capstan system in an 
>audio deck and the potential damage to the tape in the cassette when 
>considering that all audio cassettes have a built-in pressure pad.
>
>George

Dual-capstan Nak models use a pad lifter that pushes it away from the tape. 
If you wish to experiment, you may physically remove the pad lifter from a 
cassette shelf. Then, just compare what happens when playing this tape in a 
Nak and a non-Nak deck. Fun stuff. ;-)




From paulkoo at comcast.net  Tue Nov 16 16:34:22 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:34:22 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
Message-ID: <111620041534.14482.419A1DFE00049093000038922205886172010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

The dual capstan tension is so that the tape will not be damage by the pressure pad which can varied from cassette to cassette.

Paul


> At 22:39 11/15/2004, you wrote:
> >Hi Kannan,
> >
> >I fail to understand the need for the complex dual capstan system in an 
> >audio deck and the potential damage to the tape in the cassette when 
> >considering that all audio cassettes have a built-in pressure pad.
> >
> >George
> 
> Dual-capstan Nak models use a pad lifter that pushes it away from the tape. 
> If you wish to experiment, you may physically remove the pad lifter from a 
> cassette shelf. Then, just compare what happens when playing this tape in a 
> Nak and a non-Nak deck. Fun stuff. ;-)
> 
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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Tue Nov 16 16:39:08 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:39:08 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] new nak owner! best cleaner?
Message-ID: <111620041539.17189.419A1F1C0001B225000043252200735834010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

Before using any liquid cleaner, how about compressed air and perhaps a lens cleaning brush (photo supply store).  Then look at the caig lab web site for the appropriate liquids.

Paul


> hi,
> i just bought my first Nak on ebay CR 3A. they said it was cleaned but 
> the inside looks like it may need cleaning
> 
> more importantly and the purpose of this mail is what is the best 
> cleaner to get. my old aiwa died years ago and i forget but i did use 
> some fluid with long q-tip like swabs
> 
> thanks
> jeff
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From roleo at telus.net  Tue Nov 16 19:06:23 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:06:23 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Better than Nakamichi.....?
References: <26349-41920BB4-80@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net><41935DE7.8060309@snet.net><007501c4ca6e$e1e6d030$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl><001d01c4cac6$506554d0$80773242@CopyTech>
	<000201c4cac7$b6e637a0$80773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000f01c4cc06$fbb66040$6601a8c0@desktop>

Just thought I would let anyone interested know, I am selling my TEAC X-2000M 2 Track Master 
Recorder on E-bay.  It's in A1 condition, hardly used.

I also have some matching accessories on other auctions.

Thanx,
Roland

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5732543072&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 



From compu_dude at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 16 21:02:23 2004
From: compu_dude at earthlink.net (Compudude)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:02:23 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] How about a little ZXE?
References: <20041115211543.82806.qmail@web52409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003101c4cc17$3423ebe0$2402a8c0@WorkGroup>

I bought the 700zxe for $350, but it was not functional. I had to replace the playback head ($100), since one channel was dead. I also replaced all rubber parts (belts etc.) and foams used inside. Later it developed the orange-cap problem and I replaced the caps.
I purchased the externel dolby-c later seperately, which did not function properly until Kannan aligned the deck for me. Dolby-c recordings on 700zxe sound a little too bright on other decks, maybe it still needs a little more tweaking.

There is also a problem with some pre-recorded cassettes and most BASF tapes: The tape generates a 1-2kHz (mechanical) tone during playback, when its about 5-10 minutes to the end. Carlos said he had the same problem.

The zxl on the other hand, uses very low frequency signals for its fancy music search whatever function (who uses it anyway?), therefore it has an additional high-pass filter in the audio path to filter out those signals.

In terms of reliability, both zxl and zxe should be identical. It requires a lot of work to keep them going. Otherwise I am very satisfied with the 700zxe, both sonically and visually. 

_Fuad

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kannan srinivasaraghavan 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 1:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a little ZXE?


  I had a chance to work on Faud' 700 ZXE and happen to hear it. It is definitely an amazing Nak model . My only complaint is about its size. If you can get hold of something like what Faud has ( it is mint with its original box and Dolby C adaptor - he got it for about 400$ range but had Orange cap problem and as well as Head alignment issues)
  kannan
  El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote: 
    I recall Stephen saying that it was his favorite deck and better sounding 
    than the ZXL cousin. He use to have a "hot rod" 700 ZXE and he said that he 
    would put it side by side against any other model out there !

    Carlos

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Edward Noyes" 
    To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
    Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:38 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] How about a little ZXE?


    > I've been pondering... we all pretty well know that the ZXL decks can be 
    > notoriously unreliable at this age. And that certain parts can not be 
    > found without signing in blood and making a deal involving your first 
    > born. Well how about the slightly less complex ZXE? I may not recall well, 
    > but isn't the primary difference in the calibration system... and isn't 
    > t! hat the biggest problem with the ZXL? I'm wondering if with a ZXE model 
    > you can get 99% of the pleasure without the wallet draining heartache.
    >
    > Any experiences out there... Carlos?
    >
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From yaler at charter.net  Wed Nov 17 15:03:56 2004
From: yaler at charter.net (Richard Lay)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:03:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't fast-forward or rewind
In-Reply-To: <200411171100.iAHB0gpj013890@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4ccae$47963a60$6401a8c0@household>

I'm brand new to this list, and have owned a BX-300 since 1985.  I
haven't used it in quite a while, but got it out recently to do some
cassette => MP3 dubbing.  Everything works perfectly, except FF and RW
don't work.  I did some Internet searching, and came upon this site -
www.nakamichi.us where they describe a procedure to replace an idler
tire along with the ability to order the part needed.  

Question - would it be likely that replacing this part would resolve my
problem?  Just to help out on the symptoms, when I press FF or RW, I can
hear something kick in, it tries to spin for a couple of seconds, then
stops.  It's the same sound one hears when the tape door is closed and
the unit takes up the slack on the tape.

Richard Lay



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 17:55:53 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:55:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't fast-forward or rewind
In-Reply-To: <000201c4ccae$47963a60$6401a8c0@household>
Message-ID: <20041117165553.5010.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com>

FF and Rew problems are the first sign of rubber idler tire problems.
 You need to replace it every couple years.  It will solve your
problem, for a couple of years.

Go to this page and scroll down to "Small rubber idler" for more
information.

Buy 10 of these little tires and store them in the fridge or
something and just replace it when it starts to give you problems or
the FF/Rew speed starts to slow down.  If this is too much of a pain
then you need to get the gear idler installed, but, at $100+ to have
it installed I think it's not worth it (unless your deck was a CR-7).

SJ


--- Richard Lay <yaler at charter.net> wrote:

> I'm brand new to this list, and have owned a BX-300 since 1985.  I
> haven't used it in quite a while, but got it out recently to do
> some
> cassette => MP3 dubbing.  Everything works perfectly, except FF and
> RW
> don't work.  I did some Internet searching, and came upon this site
> -
> www.nakamichi.us where they describe a procedure to replace an
> idler
> tire along with the ability to order the part needed.  
> 
> Question - would it be likely that replacing this part would
> resolve my
> problem?  Just to help out on the symptoms, when I press FF or RW,
> I can
> hear something kick in, it tries to spin for a couple of seconds,
> then
> stops.  It's the same sound one hears when the tape door is closed
> and
> the unit takes up the slack on the tape.
> 
> Richard Lay
> 
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Wed Nov 17 19:13:45 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:13:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naks and dbx 200
Message-ID: <419B94D9.6070301@woods-and-waters.com>

Seeing the recent thread of messages regarding using a dbx switcher to 
select among Nakamichi decks reminded me of something.

I have a dbx 200 I no longer use. One knob feels a bit loose, but 
otherwise I think it is ok.

If someone who owns a Nakamichi cassette deck on this list wants it they 
can have it for the cost of shipping ... i'd rather not hassle with eBay.

N-Joy!


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From fff-music at millic.com.ar  Wed Nov 17 22:30:39 2004
From: fff-music at millic.com.ar (musica)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:30:39 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] photo of 3 heads for nakamichi 700
Message-ID: <ED37BBF2-38DF-11D9-A70B-000A95B99D40@millic.com.ar>

Hi, does anyone has a photo of the 3 heads for the Nakamichi 700 or 700 
II ?
Can u send it via mail ?
regards
fabio



From gwmcbride at comcast.net  Thu Nov 18 10:48:52 2004
From: gwmcbride at comcast.net (GMcBride)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:48:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <20041116092600.7187716996@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBCELCCLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>

Thank you Ti,

My Nak is an ancient 700 and,  to the best of my knowledge, does not have a
pressure pad lifter.  Now that you have whetted my curosity, can you please
elaborate on the operation of that mechanism considering that most cassettes
also contain some form of metallic shield in the head area beneath the
pressure pad ?

Based on what you have said, is it safe to assume that there is no type of
scrape flutter idler such as that found on many Reel-to-Reel decks?  Is it
possible that the guide posts and pressure flaps inside the cassettes affect
the flutter characteristics or are all mechanical inputs from the internal
cassette components isolated at the Capstan/Pinch Roller junctions ?

George


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Ti Kan
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:26 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape tension


GMcBride writes:
> I fail to understand the need for the complex dual capstan system in an
> audio deck and the potential damage to the tape in the cassette when
> considering that all audio cassettes have a built-in pressure pad.

Most Nakamichis have a pressure pad lifter on the head, explicitly
to prevent the pressure pad from contacting the back of the tape.
Nakamichi has determined that such pressure pads actually cause
scrape flutter and modulation noise.  With the ultra-stable tape
transport system in Naks, no such pad is necessary.

-Ti
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From gwmcbride at comcast.net  Thu Nov 18 10:57:45 2004
From: gwmcbride at comcast.net (GMcBride)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:57:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041116060355.01ff7100@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBIELCCLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>

Hello Marc,

Facinating !!  It sounds like a 3 kHz tone and a flutter meter would be
perfect for that experiment !!

My old ancient Nak seems to be perfectly matched to my old ancient ears so I
will have to wait until I can obtain a more modern deck to compare.

George


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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Marc Denis
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:08 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape tension


At 22:39 11/15/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Kannan,
>
>I fail to understand the need for the complex dual capstan system in an
>audio deck and the potential damage to the tape in the cassette when
>considering that all audio cassettes have a built-in pressure pad.
>
>George

Dual-capstan Nak models use a pad lifter that pushes it away from the tape.
If you wish to experiment, you may physically remove the pad lifter from a
cassette shelf. Then, just compare what happens when playing this tape in a
Nak and a non-Nak deck. Fun stuff. ;-)


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From ti at amb.org  Thu Nov 18 11:47:06 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:47:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] tape tension
In-Reply-To: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBCELCCLAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net> from
	"GMcBride" at Nov 18, 2004 02:48:52 AM
Message-ID: <20041118104706.D9B401704A@smtp.amb.org>

GMcBride writes:
> My Nak is an ancient 700 and,  to the best of my knowledge, does not have a
> pressure pad lifter.  Now that you have whetted my curosity, can you please
> elaborate on the operation of that mechanism considering that most cassettes
> also contain some form of metallic shield in the head area beneath the
> pressure pad ?

The pressure pad lifter is nothing but a metal piece attached to the
head.  When the head contacts the tape during play, that metal piece
pushes the pressure pad so that it is lifted away from the back of
the tape.  It's hard to describe in words, but I'll attach an image
of the Dragon's tape well, which illustrates the pressure pad lifter
on the playback head quite well.  You can even see that the left
capstan is a larger diameter than the right.

> Based on what you have said, is it safe to assume that there is no type of
> scrape flutter idler such as that found on many Reel-to-Reel decks?  Is it
> possible that the guide posts and pressure flaps inside the cassettes affect
> the flutter characteristics or are all mechanical inputs from the internal
> cassette components isolated at the Capstan/Pinch Roller junctions ?

Indeed the dual capstans and dual pinch rollers very effectively isolates
the tape, and makes for a very stable and smooth traversal across the heads.

-Ti
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From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Nov 18 12:36:57 2004
From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:36:57 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] auto reverse vs single play dragons
References: <ED37BBF2-38DF-11D9-A70B-000A95B99D40@millic.com.ar>
Message-ID: <001f01c4cd65$73642370$78d1403e@ORGANISA5B32BA>

Hi All

Which is best:

Auto reverse dragons that play both sides of tape or single play dragons
where you have to turn the cassette over?

I have always been put off auto reverse machines as a head that has to
swivle round to accommodate both sides of a tape don't ussually play as well
on both sides.

I would be interested to know if the Nakamichi Dragon has overcome this
problem i.e. using it's auto azymuth facility?

Anyone any experience when comparing these machines?

Adam



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Nov 18 13:16:31 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:16:31 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
In-Reply-To: <20041118104706.D9B401704A@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <000301c4cd68$70160280$50ae4e51@oemcomputer>

Guys, and esp. the Brits and Brit domiciled ...

Just to let you know, I decided to mail my beloved ZX-9 to B&W for a full
service.  Posted the day before yesterday - mark that date.  My experience
of them thus far on telephone and e-mail has been very good - they not only
answer my emails (unlike some), they do so fairly promptly (like, within 2-3
days.)  I'll let you know what the costs are like and speed of service, etc'
as things progress ... not that we Brits have any choice other than B&W ....
unless anyone out there knows of any other independent service engineers in
the UK with the right gear to service Nak's?

I'd actually have preferred to sent it to TransTec in Holland as they
serviced it last and did the Tom van den Hoff modification at the same time;
however, since they do not handle Nak's anymore, that's not an option.  I
just hope the B&W people will not  beggar Tom's modification as I suspect
that is what makes my particular ZX-9 rather special in comparison with an
unmodified pristine serviced CR-7.

More later ...

Gra'

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From ti at amb.org  Thu Nov 18 20:49:40 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:49:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] auto reverse vs single play dragons
In-Reply-To: <001f01c4cd65$73642370$78d1403e@ORGANISA5B32BA> from "Adam
	Falcrest" at Nov 18, 2004 11:36:57 AM
Message-ID: <20041118194940.E0D6624034@smtp.amb.org>

Adam Falcrest writes:
> Which is best:
> 
> Auto reverse dragons that play both sides of tape or single play dragons
> where you have to turn the cassette over?

You make it seem as if there are two versions of the Nak Dragon when
in fact there is only one.  And it has auto reverse.

> I have always been put off auto reverse machines as a head that has to
> swivle round to accommodate both sides of a tape don't ussually play as well
> on both sides.
> I would be interested to know if the Nakamichi Dragon has overcome this
> problem i.e. using it's auto azymuth facility?

The Dragon does not flips its heads.  The NAAC (Nakamichi Auto Azimuth
Correction) takes care of azimuth matching, and does a splendid job at it.

-Ti
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From vzeoinle at verizon.net  Thu Nov 18 14:45:54 2004
From: vzeoinle at verizon.net (vzeoinle at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:45:54 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
Message-ID: <20041118134554.OPYQ3560.out005.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

Good luck there Gra'. A dying service, I wonder how much longer that B&W will continue servicing Naks. I would love a pair of their studio monitor speakers!

John T.
> 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2004/11/18 Thu PM 12:16:31 GMT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
> 
> Guys, and esp. the Brits and Brit domiciled ...
> 
> Just to let you know, I decided to mail my beloved ZX-9 to B&W for a full
> service.  Posted the day before yesterday - mark that date.  My experience
> of them thus far on telephone and e-mail has been very good - they not only
> answer my emails (unlike some), they do so fairly promptly (like, within 2-3
> days.)  I'll let you know what the costs are like and speed of service, etc'
> as things progress ... not that we Brits have any choice other than B&W ....
> unless anyone out there knows of any other independent service engineers in
> the UK with the right gear to service Nak's?
> 
> I'd actually have preferred to sent it to TransTec in Holland as they
> serviced it last and did the Tom van den Hoff modification at the same time;
> however, since they do not handle Nak's anymore, that's not an option.  I
> just hope the B&W people will not  beggar Tom's modification as I suspect
> that is what makes my particular ZX-9 rather special in comparison with an
> unmodified pristine serviced CR-7.
> 
> More later ...
> 
> Gra'
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Nov 18 15:05:59 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:05:59 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] auto reverse vs single play dragons
In-Reply-To: <001f01c4cd65$73642370$78d1403e@ORGANISA5B32BA>
Message-ID: <000c01c4cd77$bac82e20$50ae4e51@oemcomputer>

Hi Adam

If you search through the archive of NakTalk you will find almost countless
reference to the Dragon's amazing ability to replace tapes made on just
about ANY cassette tape recorder.  We even have hardened professionals, not
overly biased Nakaphiles, who prefer to record on machines that are not
Nakamichi but almost always prefer to play back the tapes on their Dragon.
I won't say the Dragon is the very best playback machine ever made, period.
But I will say what the Danes might say:  The Dragon is PROBABLY the best
playback machine ever made.   (Apologies to Heineken!)

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Adam Falcrest
> Sent: 18 November 2004 11:37
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] auto reverse vs single play dragons
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Which is best:
>
> Auto reverse dragons that play both sides of tape or single play dragons
> where you have to turn the cassette over?
>
> I have always been put off auto reverse machines as a head that has to
> swivle round to accommodate both sides of a tape don't ussually
> play as well
> on both sides.
>
> I would be interested to know if the Nakamichi Dragon has overcome this
> problem i.e. using it's auto azymuth facility?
>
> Anyone any experience when comparing these machines?
>
> Adam

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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Thu Nov 18 20:26:50 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:26:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 550
Message-ID: <419CF77A.9020402@woods-and-waters.com>

Hello and a Nakajoyous Day to all fellow Naka-owners,

Following my passion for the spendid 550 portable cassette, I'm working 
on a comprehensive web page dedicated to the 550.

I'm seeking: in-the-trenches user tips, service tips and anecdotes 
relating to user experiences using the 550 to make live recordings.

So far, I have a user manual, service manual, promo literature and 
Naamichi's guide to their three-point mic'ing setup, but if anyone has 
any other 550-related literature, please pass it along to me!

As a long-range goal, I'm thinking of having an MP3 selection of actual 
550 live recordings. Finally, I own a record label, so if you have an 
excellent recording of a live band made with a Naakmichi 550, maybe we 
could work ,a deal to release it on CD or SACD.

Thanks for all your help!

N-Joy!

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From menelaos at stls.verio.net  Thu Nov 18 16:32:43 2004
From: menelaos at stls.verio.net (Menelaos Karamichalis)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:32:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] auto reverse vs single play dragons
In-Reply-To: <001f01c4cd65$73642370$78d1403e@ORGANISA5B32BA>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10411180929030.7680-100000@admin.starnet.net>

Several tape decks from Nakamichi offer auto reverse as a feature.
However, it is not the tape head that swivels, it is ...the tape itself.
The whole cassette, shell and all, get rotated.

My RX-202 is not a top of the line unit, but I have never noticed any
sonic issues w/ one side of the tape sounding better than the other one.
The Dragon does that have automatic azimuth correction which "reads" the
tape so that the head alignment is optimized to match as best as possible
the alignment of the head that recorded the tape.

Menelaos



From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com  Thu Nov 18 20:17:20 2004
From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:17:20 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
In-Reply-To: <000301c4cd68$70160280$50ae4e51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <200411181916.iAIJGupi018331@zebra.naks.com>

Gra,

FYI, I had a CR-7 serviced by them recently, and got excellent service. Not
cheap, but you wouldn't want cheap service with these machines.

n.b. You'll get an invoice back from them with the Nak header

Mark

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
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Sent: 18 November 2004 12:17
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin

Guys, and esp. the Brits and Brit domiciled ...

Just to let you know, I decided to mail my beloved ZX-9 to B&W for a full
service.  Posted the day before yesterday - mark that date.  My experience
of them thus far on telephone and e-mail has been very good - they not only
answer my emails (unlike some), they do so fairly promptly (like, within 2-3
days.)  I'll let you know what the costs are like and speed of service, etc'
as things progress ... not that we Brits have any choice other than B&W ....
unless anyone out there knows of any other independent service engineers in
the UK with the right gear to service Nak's?

I'd actually have preferred to sent it to TransTec in Holland as they
serviced it last and did the Tom van den Hoff modification at the same time;
however, since they do not handle Nak's anymore, that's not an option.  I
just hope the B&W people will not  beggar Tom's modification as I suspect
that is what makes my particular ZX-9 rather special in comparison with an
unmodified pristine serviced CR-7.

More later ...

Gra'

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From flifton at mac.com  Thu Nov 18 20:32:26 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:32:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] cassette lube
Message-ID: <943DB7E0-3998-11D9-80C7-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hello all,
So there's lots of talk on here about how to lube and care for our 
Naks, but what about our cassettes? I have a large collection of tapes, 
some of them dating back to late 70's. Many of the older ones, and the 
newer ones that have favorites taped on them and thus are played 
constantly in the hot filthy car, chatter, squeak and rattle. Is there 
something safe that can be used to lubricate these old shells without 
damaging the actual tape?
best to all,
Fred



From angelricano at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 19 02:36:45 2004
From: angelricano at hotmail.com (Angel W. Ricano)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:36:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV252681D18A24B05258D78B6C30@phx.gbl>

Hello Nak wizs,
Does anybody know which came first and what year did the following tapes came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal Master,  Maxell MX-S or Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence in sound between the Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than SMM, but it doesn't mean that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests for the Sony tapes in my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me that first came out the Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is selling me Maxell Metal Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the SSMM came first.
Thanks,
Angel
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Nov 19 09:53:30 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:53:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
Message-ID: <s19dd0bc.083@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi All,

There is is a very informative and pretty up-to-date webpage at the link below for you to visit - dealing with casstte decks, discontinued decks, tapes and so forth in a better than usual (superficial) manner.  Enjoy!!

http://audiotools.com/cass.html#tape 

Cheers,

Marc

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Nov 19 10:01:35 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:01:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
Message-ID: <s19dd778.026@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Angel,

I'll start digging up the info you need.  These are very special, rare and expensive metals.  Count yourself fortunate on the Maxell Metal Vertex.

Just a preliminary - Maxell MX-S certainly predates Vertex.  I'm also pretty certain that Sony Metal Master came out before the Super Metal Master in the metal box.  (I think your contact, Fred is mistaken there).  Shall get back to you on these.

I shall provide you with the figures on the two Maxell relative performance under test.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> angelricano at hotmail.com 11/19/04 03:36AM >>>
Hello Nak wizs,
Does anybody know which came first and what year did the following tapes came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal Master,  Maxell MX-S or Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence in sound between the Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than SMM, but it doesn't mean that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests for the Sony tapes in my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me that first came out the Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is selling me Maxell Metal Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the SSMM came first.
Thanks,
Angel

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Nov 19 12:45:43 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:45:43 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
In-Reply-To: <s19dd0bc.083@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000801c4ce2d$4d277c20$0963893e@oemcomputer>

Thanks for reminding me of this, Mark - I'd forgotten about it.

It's very good although I suppose it needs updating now ... not that would
be hard to do ... just transfer 99% of what is written into the discontinued
cassette deck section!!  It does, however, seem to miss a lot of the model
numbers used to describe the decks on sale in Europe.  For example, I
suspect they are "in there" somewhere, but there is no mention of two
classic Pioneer decks, the CTS740S and the CTS830S .... wait a minute!  I
just found reference to the CTS830S ... but it's described as a Technics
deck!  May be it WAS a Technics model in the USA?  (Mine's back in service
at the moment, while the ZX-9 is with Bowers and Wilkin.  It still impresses
me - it really isn't that much far behind my late CR-7 or, come to that, my
ZX-9, and does a better job that either of them with really dull old tapes.)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: 19 November 2004 08:54
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> There is is a very informative and pretty up-to-date webpage at
> the link below for you to visit - dealing with casstte decks,
> discontinued decks, tapes and so forth in a better than usual
> (superficial) manner.  Enjoy!!
>
> http://audiotools.com/cass.html#tape
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Nov 19 15:18:49 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:18:49 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
In-Reply-To: <s19dd778.026@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFGEFACFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

The first tape along the lines of heavy metal tape housing, came in
1979/1980, in the form of TDK MA-R. This was a TDK-MA tape in special metal
alloy cassette shell.

Then was the TDK MA-XG (TDK MA-X with special shell). And in the late 80's
two more players came on board, Maxell Vertex and Sony Metal Master. Sony
Super Metal Master Followed. THAT's was another brand offering similar
cassettes. I remember these tapes collecting dust in the stores, at least
here in Chicago, as selling prices of $9-15 per each tape was very steep.
The first SMM I bought was in 1990.

The list price (msrp) of C-90 in 1993 of Sony MM was $10.99 and Sony SSM was
$20.99 (for comparison TD MA 90 list was $3.99, and MA-XG was $18.99)

On the American market, Maxell MX came first, then Vertex and MX-S pretty
much at the same time in 1989. It is my understanding that MX-S is just a
newer version of MX. Vertex was a very limited, low-availability kind of
cassette (listing in 1991 at $14.99.)

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Mark Hugo
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:02 AM
To: angelricano at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks


Hi Angel,

I'll start digging up the info you need.  These are very special, rare and
expensive metals.  Count yourself fortunate on the Maxell Metal Vertex.

Just a preliminary - Maxell MX-S certainly predates Vertex.  I'm also pretty
certain that Sony Metal Master came out before the Super Metal Master in the
metal box.  (I think your contact, Fred is mistaken there).  Shall get back
to you on these.

I shall provide you with the figures on the two Maxell relative performance
under test.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> angelricano at hotmail.com 11/19/04 03:36AM >>>
Hello Nak wizs,
Does anybody know which came first and what year did the following tapes
came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal Master,  Maxell MX-S or
Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence in sound between the
Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than SMM, but it doesn't mean
that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests for the Sony tapes in
my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me that first came out the
Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is selling me Maxell Metal
Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the SSMM came first.
Thanks,
Angel

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Nov 19 16:31:41 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:31:41 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
Message-ID: <s19e2e19.047@mroute.sunint.co.za>

So true Gra'

I have both the CT-S640S and the CT-S740S.  They were Pioneer's final line along with the CT-S830S and the disappearing CT-95.  They put all their know-how into these babies and exited the era with a bang.

I recorded a selection of songs by that Aussie diva who is so terribly kind on the eyes, Tina Arena (lucky Tom to share a continental home with her).  This was using the CT-S640S and new Maxell UDI tape.  It was just perfect, incredible detail, tonal colour, imaging, stability.....everything.  And what a singer!!

I have to admit, I love them - and the ability to turn off the display is a serious bonus in a dimly lit listening room.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 11/19/04 01:45PM >>>
Thanks for reminding me of this, Mark - I'd forgotten about it.

It's very good although I suppose it needs updating now ... not that would
be hard to do ... just transfer 99% of what is written into the discontinued
cassette deck section!!  It does, however, seem to miss a lot of the model
numbers used to describe the decks on sale in Europe.  For example, I
suspect they are "in there" somewhere, but there is no mention of two
classic Pioneer decks, the CTS740S and the CTS830S .... wait a minute!  I
just found reference to the CTS830S ... but it's described as a Technics
deck!  May be it WAS a Technics model in the USA?  (Mine's back in service
at the moment, while the ZX-9 is with Bowers and Wilkin.  It still impresses
me - it really isn't that much far behind my late CR-7 or, come to that, my
ZX-9, and does a better job that either of them with really dull old tapes.)

Gra'

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> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: 19 November 2004 08:54
> To: naktalk at naks.com 
> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> There is is a very informative and pretty up-to-date webpage at
> the link below for you to visit - dealing with casstte decks,
> discontinued decks, tapes and so forth in a better than usual
> (superficial) manner.  Enjoy!!
>
> http://audiotools.com/cass.html#tape 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Nov 19 16:42:31 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:42:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
References: <s19e2e19.047@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <017301c4ce4e$625a9110$1510a8c0@TG>

Should admit the unbelievable wide frequecny response of CT-95
that extended upto 30kHz!!!

Never heard the same with any other brands!!!

Tayfur

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From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource


> So true Gra'
>
> I have both the CT-S640S and the CT-S740S.  They were Pioneer's final line 
> along with the CT-S830S and the disappearing CT-95.  They put all their 
> know-how into these babies and exited the era with a bang.
>
> I recorded a selection of songs by that Aussie diva who is so terribly 
> kind on the eyes, Tina Arena (lucky Tom to share a continental home with 
> her).  This was using the CT-S640S and new Maxell UDI tape.  It was just 
> perfect, incredible detail, tonal colour, imaging, 
> stability.....everything.  And what a singer!!
>
> I have to admit, I love them - and the ability to turn off the display is 
> a serious bonus in a dimly lit listening room.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 11/19/04 01:45PM >>>
> Thanks for reminding me of this, Mark - I'd forgotten about it.
>
> It's very good although I suppose it needs updating now ... not that would
> be hard to do ... just transfer 99% of what is written into the 
> discontinued
> cassette deck section!!  It does, however, seem to miss a lot of the model
> numbers used to describe the decks on sale in Europe.  For example, I
> suspect they are "in there" somewhere, but there is no mention of two
> classic Pioneer decks, the CTS740S and the CTS830S .... wait a minute!  I
> just found reference to the CTS830S ... but it's described as a Technics
> deck!  May be it WAS a Technics model in the USA?  (Mine's back in service
> at the moment, while the ZX-9 is with Bowers and Wilkin.  It still 
> impresses
> me - it really isn't that much far behind my late CR-7 or, come to that, 
> my
> ZX-9, and does a better job that either of them with really dull old 
> tapes.)
>
> Gra'
>
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>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
>> Sent: 19 November 2004 08:54
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> There is is a very informative and pretty up-to-date webpage at
>> the link below for you to visit - dealing with casstte decks,
>> discontinued decks, tapes and so forth in a better than usual
>> (superficial) manner.  Enjoy!!
>>
>> http://audiotools.com/cass.html#tape
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Nov 19 17:33:21 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:33:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
Message-ID: <s19e3c82.078@mroute.sunint.co.za>

This is tru Tayfur,

However Pioneer sanctioned the relatively "loose" terminology of "useable frequency response" which in their decks manuals is a tolerance of minus 6dB.  Off the -20dB reading, this is still quite "hearable", with minus 55dB being inaudible.  So, I would certainly give them that.  Stephen Sank has mentioned on a couple of occasions that Nak decks in good tune will deliver "useable frequency responses" between 16hz and 34 000Hz, with (under correction here) but I think the 1000ZXL would go as low as 12Hz.  I have no idea what his definition of "useable" was though.

When you consider room aberations and average speaker performance plots, all these decks offer utterly hi-fi performance that well exceed speaker boundaries (never mind typical music content or ear limitations!!).

But back to the CT-95 - a demon machine and truly beautiful to behold.  Tape Guru Alvin Gold used it as his reference machine.  Not sure what colleague Paul Messenger used.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 11/19/04 05:42PM >>>
Should admit the unbelievable wide frequecny response of CT-95
that extended upto 30kHz!!!

Never heard the same with any other brands!!!

Tayfur

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From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource


> So true Gra'
>
> I have both the CT-S640S and the CT-S740S.  They were Pioneer's final line 
> along with the CT-S830S and the disappearing CT-95.  They put all their 
> know-how into these babies and exited the era with a bang.
>
> I recorded a selection of songs by that Aussie diva who is so terribly 
> kind on the eyes, Tina Arena (lucky Tom to share a continental home with 
> her).  This was using the CT-S640S and new Maxell UDI tape.  It was just 
> perfect, incredible detail, tonal colour, imaging, 
> stability.....everything.  And what a singer!!
>
> I have to admit, I love them - and the ability to turn off the display is 
> a serious bonus in a dimly lit listening room.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 11/19/04 01:45PM >>>
> Thanks for reminding me of this, Mark - I'd forgotten about it.
>
> It's very good although I suppose it needs updating now ... not that would
> be hard to do ... just transfer 99% of what is written into the 
> discontinued
> cassette deck section!!  It does, however, seem to miss a lot of the model
> numbers used to describe the decks on sale in Europe.  For example, I
> suspect they are "in there" somewhere, but there is no mention of two
> classic Pioneer decks, the CTS740S and the CTS830S .... wait a minute!  I
> just found reference to the CTS830S ... but it's described as a Technics
> deck!  May be it WAS a Technics model in the USA?  (Mine's back in service
> at the moment, while the ZX-9 is with Bowers and Wilkin.  It still 
> impresses
> me - it really isn't that much far behind my late CR-7 or, come to that, 
> my
> ZX-9, and does a better job that either of them with really dull old 
> tapes.)
>
> Gra'
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
>> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
>> Sent: 19 November 2004 08:54
>> To: naktalk at naks.com 
>> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> There is is a very informative and pretty up-to-date webpage at
>> the link below for you to visit - dealing with casstte decks,
>> discontinued decks, tapes and so forth in a better than usual
>> (superficial) manner.  Enjoy!!
>>
>> http://audiotools.com/cass.html#tape 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
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From ti at amb.org  Fri Nov 19 21:25:46 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:25:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: San Fran NakFest Photos.....
In-Reply-To: <007a01c4ca08$b6b34e90$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6> from "KJ Bleus"
	at Nov 13, 2004 11:13:31 PM
Message-ID: <20041119202546.8092521CFF@smtp.amb.org>

KJ Bleus writes:
> Attention San Fran NakFesters.........
> 
> Just looking again at your web page of photos (Ti Kan's page, I
> recollect), and wondering when some captions will be added to the many
> nice images of the gathering.  Many excellent Nak gear items displayed,
> tasty to view.  Would be extra nice with some additional info describing
> the particulars.
> 
> http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/

I have just updated the page with captions.  Enjoy.

-Ti
-- 
Ti Kan
http://www.amb.org/ti
Vorsprung durch Technik



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Nov 20 01:53:08 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:53:08 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
Message-ID: <28649-419E9574-1192@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

speaking of great pioneer cassette decks , i had the probably only ever
"SOUND ON SOUND" dual dubbing pioneer deck- which i sold to get an ounce
in my younger days(of course the ounce i got then would probably cost a
couple hundred now.)This deck was truly the ultimate dual dubber of all
time and i Cannot think of it without Pangs of regret at its loss.

thank you very much,
gerald



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Nov 19 15:39:37 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:39:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
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I've never used any of the super expensive metal tapes, but I've found I 
prefer Maxell XLIIS over TDK and Maxel's low end metals (MX and MA I believe).

At 08:36 PM 11/18/2004, Angel W. Ricano wrote:
>Hello Nak wizs,
>Does anybody know which came first and what year did the following tapes 
>came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal Master,  Maxell MX-S or 
>Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence in sound between the 
>Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than SMM, but it doesn't 
>mean that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests for the Sony 
>tapes in my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me that first 
>came out the Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is selling 
>me Maxell Metal Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the SSMM 
>came first.
>Thanks,
>Angel
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat Nov 20 02:20:30 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:20:30 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
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Marc - actually, the CT-95 (aka Pioneer CT-1100S) was rated 10-30,000 Hz at
+/- 3db using metal tape. The only other decks with RATED top response
greater or equal to 23 KHz at +/-3dB I know of are ...

- Nakamichi 700ZXE/L, Nakamichi 1000 ZXL
- Teac Z-7000
- Bang and Olufsen Beocord 9000
- Luxman K03 (or 05)
- Harman Kardon TD-491
- Tandberg 3014A
- Technics RS-B100

Sure, these may be academic, by typically, this translated to a very flat
20-20,000Hz +/- 0.5-1 dB

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Mark Hugo
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:33 AM
To: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource


This is tru Tayfur,

However Pioneer sanctioned the relatively "loose" terminology of "useable
frequency response" which in their decks manuals is a tolerance of minus
6dB.  Off the -20dB reading, this is still quite "hearable", with minus 55dB
being inaudible.  So, I would certainly give them that.  Stephen Sank has
mentioned on a couple of occasions that Nak decks in good tune will deliver
"useable frequency responses" between 16hz and 34 000Hz, with (under
correction here) but I think the 1000ZXL would go as low as 12Hz.  I have no
idea what his definition of "useable" was though.

When you consider room aberations and average speaker performance plots, all
these decks offer utterly hi-fi performance that well exceed speaker
boundaries (never mind typical music content or ear limitations!!).

But back to the CT-95 - a demon machine and truly beautiful to behold.  Tape
Guru Alvin Gold used it as his reference machine.  Not sure what colleague
Paul Messenger used.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 11/19/04 05:42PM >>>
Should admit the unbelievable wide frequecny response of CT-95
that extended upto 30kHz!!!

Never heard the same with any other brands!!!

Tayfur

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource


> So true Gra'
>
> I have both the CT-S640S and the CT-S740S.  They were Pioneer's final line
> along with the CT-S830S and the disappearing CT-95.  They put all their
> know-how into these babies and exited the era with a bang.
>
> I recorded a selection of songs by that Aussie diva who is so terribly
> kind on the eyes, Tina Arena (lucky Tom to share a continental home with
> her).  This was using the CT-S640S and new Maxell UDI tape.  It was just
> perfect, incredible detail, tonal colour, imaging,
> stability.....everything.  And what a singer!!
>
> I have to admit, I love them - and the ability to turn off the display is
> a serious bonus in a dimly lit listening room.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 11/19/04 01:45PM >>>
> Thanks for reminding me of this, Mark - I'd forgotten about it.
>
> It's very good although I suppose it needs updating now ... not that would
> be hard to do ... just transfer 99% of what is written into the
> discontinued
> cassette deck section!!  It does, however, seem to miss a lot of the model
> numbers used to describe the decks on sale in Europe.  For example, I
> suspect they are "in there" somewhere, but there is no mention of two
> classic Pioneer decks, the CTS740S and the CTS830S .... wait a minute!  I
> just found reference to the CTS830S ... but it's described as a Technics
> deck!  May be it WAS a Technics model in the USA?  (Mine's back in service
> at the moment, while the ZX-9 is with Bowers and Wilkin.  It still
> impresses
> me - it really isn't that much far behind my late CR-7 or, come to that,
> my
> ZX-9, and does a better job that either of them with really dull old
> tapes.)
>
> Gra'
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
>> Sent: 19 November 2004 08:54
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Resource
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> There is is a very informative and pretty up-to-date webpage at
>> the link below for you to visit - dealing with casstte decks,
>> discontinued decks, tapes and so forth in a better than usual
>> (superficial) manner.  Enjoy!!
>>
>> http://audiotools.com/cass.html#tape
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 20 04:10:58 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 03:10:58 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
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Just to add on my experiences with Bowers and Wilkins: I had previously sent 
them my CR-7E and RX-505E for full service and calibration. They are indeed 
very good, considering it is essentially only one person providing the full 
works. They also do not overcharge for any rare/hard to find parts, if they 
have it they will just charge what it would have cost before. One thing I 
found out is that they will not modify the decks, even if you request them 
to cos they believe in keeping to the factory specs. However, I think your 
mods are safe, Graham cos they will just service and leave them alone if a 
mod has been done - I think they just don't like to initiate the mods 
themselves.

Mark, yes the Nak header on the invoice is nice, isn't it?



>From: "Mark Caton" <mark.l.caton at btinternet.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:17:20 -0000
>
>Gra,
>
>FYI, I had a CR-7 serviced by them recently, and got excellent service. Not
>cheap, but you wouldn't want cheap service with these machines.
>
>n.b. You'll get an invoice back from them with the Nak header
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
>
>Guys, and esp. the Brits and Brit domiciled ...
>
>Just to let you know, I decided to mail my beloved ZX-9 to B&W for a full
>service.  Posted the day before yesterday - mark that date.  My experience
>of them thus far on telephone and e-mail has been very good - they not only
>answer my emails (unlike some), they do so fairly promptly (like, within 
>2-3
>days.)  I'll let you know what the costs are like and speed of service, 
>etc'
>as things progress ... not that we Brits have any choice other than B&W 
>....
>unless anyone out there knows of any other independent service engineers in
>the UK with the right gear to service Nak's?
>
>I'd actually have preferred to sent it to TransTec in Holland as they
>serviced it last and did the Tom van den Hoff modification at the same 
>time;
>however, since they do not handle Nak's anymore, that's not an option.  I
>just hope the B&W people will not  beggar Tom's modification as I suspect
>that is what makes my particular ZX-9 rather special in comparison with an
>unmodified pristine serviced CR-7.
>
>More later ...
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From zxl1000 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 19:36:37 2004
From: zxl1000 at yahoo.com (Marin TUREA)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:36:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
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Hello, everybody.
Why nobody mentions the FUJI "Metal Z" tapes (Japan
made, slim case, no screws, discontinued in 2002)?
Are those considered "lower class" metals? Have 20+ of
them, bought cheap - stock liquidation.
Just curious.

Best wishes to all,

Marin


--- Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:

> The first tape along the lines of heavy metal tape
> housing, came in
> 1979/1980, in the form of TDK MA-R. This was a
> TDK-MA tape in special metal
> alloy cassette shell.
> 
> Then was the TDK MA-XG (TDK MA-X with special
> shell). And in the late 80's
> two more players came on board, Maxell Vertex and
> Sony Metal Master. Sony
> Super Metal Master Followed. THAT's was another
> brand offering similar
> cassettes. I remember these tapes collecting dust in
> the stores, at least
> here in Chicago, as selling prices of $9-15 per each
> tape was very steep.
> The first SMM I bought was in 1990.
> 
> The list price (msrp) of C-90 in 1993 of Sony MM was
> $10.99 and Sony SSM was
> $20.99 (for comparison TD MA 90 list was $3.99, and
> MA-XG was $18.99)
> 
> On the American market, Maxell MX came first, then
> Vertex and MX-S pretty
> much at the same time in 1989. It is my
> understanding that MX-S is just a
> newer version of MX. Vertex was a very limited,
> low-availability kind of
> cassette (listing in 1991 at $14.99.)
> 
> Stan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:02 AM
> To: angelricano at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi
> Decks
> 
> 
> Hi Angel,
> 
> I'll start digging up the info you need.  These are
> very special, rare and
> expensive metals.  Count yourself fortunate on the
> Maxell Metal Vertex.
> 
> Just a preliminary - Maxell MX-S certainly predates
> Vertex.  I'm also pretty
> certain that Sony Metal Master came out before the
> Super Metal Master in the
> metal box.  (I think your contact, Fred is mistaken
> there).  Shall get back
> to you on these.
> 
> I shall provide you with the figures on the two
> Maxell relative performance
> under test.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marc
> 
> >>> angelricano at hotmail.com 11/19/04 03:36AM >>>
> Hello Nak wizs,
> Does anybody know which came first and what year did
> the following tapes
> came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal
> Master,  Maxell MX-S or
> Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence
> in sound between the
> Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than
> SMM, but it doesn't mean
> that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests
> for the Sony tapes in
> my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me
> that first came out the
> Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is
> selling me Maxell Metal
> Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the
> SSMM came first.
> Thanks,
> Angel
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From whgl at iland.net  Sat Nov 20 19:52:42 2004
From: whgl at iland.net (Durham)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:52:42 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 550
Message-ID: <5C1DFD40-3B25-11D9-9EF6-003065C23AC8@iland.net>

Sounds like fun, Kermit; have you ever been moved to preserve the 
analog signal with your record label?

Best of everything,
Don



From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Sat Nov 20 21:31:13 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:31:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 550
In-Reply-To: <5C1DFD40-3B25-11D9-9EF6-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
References: <5C1DFD40-3B25-11D9-9EF6-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
Message-ID: <419FA991.2030904@woods-and-waters.com>

Oh ab-so-lutely! That's the point, preserving the analog signal. Like 
many other "big label sounding", I "warm up" the digital multitrack with 
analog machines. I think the distortion of an analog machine is more 
"natural" to our ears in that distortion increases as level increases. 
With PCM digital, distortion usually increases as level DECREASES, 
which, I believe, is the cause of many audiophiles' characterization of 
digital as "sterile" or "lifeless" compared to digital.

I probably shouldn't admit this publicly, but I've used both my 
Nakamichi 550 or Revox B710 cassette decks as the "analog deck" to "warm 
the digital" in cases where the tone of these decks was more flattering 
to the music than my reel-to-reels would have been. Yes, in some cases, 
the correct answer is "Nakamichi 550" instead of Revox B77, Scully 280B 
or Studer A80.

Durham wrote:
> Sounds like fun, Kermit; have you ever been moved to preserve the analog 
> signal with your record label?
> 
> Best of everything,
> Don
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Sat Nov 20 21:44:08 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:44:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naka-EQ question
Message-ID: <419FAC98.8040800@woods-and-waters.com>

I've been reading that the older Nakamichi decks, like my 550, had an EQ 
curve that differed from the standard NAB cassette EQ curve, causing 
compatibility issues. If true, this explains why tapes made on my 500, 
600 and 700 didn't sound as good on other brands of cassette decks. I 
used to service Nakamichi in the 1970s, and somehow my mind tells me 
that their EQ was different, but I do not recall any specific 
documentation of nonstandard EQ in the service manuals. Of course, this 
could be the result of inattention at the time or incipient senility today.

Now the questions:

1. Is it true? Did Nakamichi use non-standard record/playback EQ?

2. Why did Nakamichi use non-standard record/playback EQ?

3. Did the EQ improve the sound of the decks beyond what they would have 
sounded like using standard EQ?

4. Has anyone on the list ever mod'ed a Naka-deck to use standard EQ?

Naka-thanks to your help and insight!


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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Sat Nov 20 23:16:52 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:16:52 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Loran Tapes...
Message-ID: <001901c4cf4e$a34c45a0$ea1c0cd0@r7g1f8>

Naktalkers-


On the subject of tape brands...

Does anyone remember the Loran brand?  Had a dark blue clear plastic case.

Randall in Seattle
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Sun Nov 21 00:43:58 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:43:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Loran Tapes...
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Yes, I remember the Loran.  Think I still have a few around.  Their 
claim to fame was durability, they claimed that their tapes and shells 
were made to withstand the punishment of an automobile interior on hot 
summer days.  I don't recall their audio performance as being noteworthy.

Babin/Greseth wrote:

> Naktalkers-
>  
>  
> On the subject of tape brands...
>  
> Does anyone remember the Loran brand?  Had a dark blue clear plastic case.
>  
> Randall in Seattle
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 21 04:13:36 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:13:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Naka-EQ question
In-Reply-To: <419FAC98.8040800@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <20041121031336.97811.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>

You are correct.  Naks did use a different EQ for recording and for
playback.

Go to my FAQ page
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
and scroll down to the following sections
Nakamichi CR-7A Equalization Upgrade 
IEC1 & IEC2 (by Stephan Sank) 
MR-1B and equalization differences 
& Nakamichi Calibration Tapes   (bottom of that section)

They should answer all you questions.

Scott J.

--- "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com> wrote:

> I've been reading that the older Nakamichi decks, like my 550, had
> an EQ 
> curve that differed from the standard NAB cassette EQ curve,
> causing 
> compatibility issues. If true, this explains why tapes made on my
> 500, 
> 600 and 700 didn't sound as good on other brands of cassette decks.
> I 
> used to service Nakamichi in the 1970s, and somehow my mind tells
> me 
> that their EQ was different, but I do not recall any specific 
> documentation of nonstandard EQ in the service manuals. Of course,
> this 
> could be the result of inattention at the time or incipient
> senility today.
> 
> Now the questions:
> 
> 1. Is it true? Did Nakamichi use non-standard record/playback EQ?
> 
> 2. Why did Nakamichi use non-standard record/playback EQ?
> 
> 3. Did the EQ improve the sound of the decks beyond what they would
> have 
> sounded like using standard EQ?
> 
> 4. Has anyone on the list ever mod'ed a Naka-deck to use standard
> EQ?
> 
> Naka-thanks to your help and insight!
> 
> 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Nov 21 09:36:58 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:36:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
Message-ID: <s1a06fd6.066@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Marin,

There's nothing wrong with them!!  They are in fact excellent metals.  They have a reasonalbly high coercivity for a metal, sound very fresh and effervescent and have the traditional Fuji durability.  However, they were not carried by all retailers and are seldom sold at knock-down prices.

Have no hesitation in buying its sister tape, ZII, which is fine type 2 in the "Super-chrome class".  This shares a similar sonic signature but with obviously less headroom.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> zxl1000 at yahoo.com 11/20/04 08:36PM >>>
Hello, everybody.
Why nobody mentions the FUJI "Metal Z" tapes (Japan
made, slim case, no screws, discontinued in 2002)?
Are those considered "lower class" metals? Have 20+ of
them, bought cheap - stock liquidation.
Just curious.

Best wishes to all,

Marin


--- Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:

> The first tape along the lines of heavy metal tape
> housing, came in
> 1979/1980, in the form of TDK MA-R. This was a
> TDK-MA tape in special metal
> alloy cassette shell.
> 
> Then was the TDK MA-XG (TDK MA-X with special
> shell). And in the late 80's
> two more players came on board, Maxell Vertex and
> Sony Metal Master. Sony
> Super Metal Master Followed. THAT's was another
> brand offering similar
> cassettes. I remember these tapes collecting dust in
> the stores, at least
> here in Chicago, as selling prices of $9-15 per each
> tape was very steep.
> The first SMM I bought was in 1990.
> 
> The list price (msrp) of C-90 in 1993 of Sony MM was
> $10.99 and Sony SSM was
> $20.99 (for comparison TD MA 90 list was $3.99, and
> MA-XG was $18.99)
> 
> On the American market, Maxell MX came first, then
> Vertex and MX-S pretty
> much at the same time in 1989. It is my
> understanding that MX-S is just a
> newer version of MX. Vertex was a very limited,
> low-availability kind of
> cassette (listing in 1991 at $14.99.)
> 
> Stan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:02 AM
> To: angelricano at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com 
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi
> Decks
> 
> 
> Hi Angel,
> 
> I'll start digging up the info you need.  These are
> very special, rare and
> expensive metals.  Count yourself fortunate on the
> Maxell Metal Vertex.
> 
> Just a preliminary - Maxell MX-S certainly predates
> Vertex.  I'm also pretty
> certain that Sony Metal Master came out before the
> Super Metal Master in the
> metal box.  (I think your contact, Fred is mistaken
> there).  Shall get back
> to you on these.
> 
> I shall provide you with the figures on the two
> Maxell relative performance
> under test.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marc
> 
> >>> angelricano at hotmail.com 11/19/04 03:36AM >>>
> Hello Nak wizs,
> Does anybody know which came first and what year did
> the following tapes
> came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal
> Master,  Maxell MX-S or
> Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence
> in sound between the
> Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than
> SMM, but it doesn't mean
> that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests
> for the Sony tapes in
> my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me
> that first came out the
> Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is
> selling me Maxell Metal
> Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the
> SSMM came first.
> Thanks,
> Angel
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Nov 21 22:38:03 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:38:03 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D749@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I bought a box of ten about 4 years ago - no problems to date, nice looking
too.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marin TUREA [mailto:zxl1000 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2004 5:37
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks


Hello, everybody.
Why nobody mentions the FUJI "Metal Z" tapes (Japan
made, slim case, no screws, discontinued in 2002)?
Are those considered "lower class" metals? Have 20+ of
them, bought cheap - stock liquidation.
Just curious.

Best wishes to all,

Marin


--- Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:

> The first tape along the lines of heavy metal tape
> housing, came in
> 1979/1980, in the form of TDK MA-R. This was a
> TDK-MA tape in special metal
> alloy cassette shell.
> 
> Then was the TDK MA-XG (TDK MA-X with special
> shell). And in the late 80's
> two more players came on board, Maxell Vertex and
> Sony Metal Master. Sony
> Super Metal Master Followed. THAT's was another
> brand offering similar
> cassettes. I remember these tapes collecting dust in
> the stores, at least
> here in Chicago, as selling prices of $9-15 per each
> tape was very steep.
> The first SMM I bought was in 1990.
> 
> The list price (msrp) of C-90 in 1993 of Sony MM was
> $10.99 and Sony SSM was
> $20.99 (for comparison TD MA 90 list was $3.99, and
> MA-XG was $18.99)
> 
> On the American market, Maxell MX came first, then
> Vertex and MX-S pretty
> much at the same time in 1989. It is my
> understanding that MX-S is just a
> newer version of MX. Vertex was a very limited,
> low-availability kind of
> cassette (listing in 1991 at $14.99.)
> 
> Stan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:02 AM
> To: angelricano at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi
> Decks
> 
> 
> Hi Angel,
> 
> I'll start digging up the info you need.  These are
> very special, rare and
> expensive metals.  Count yourself fortunate on the
> Maxell Metal Vertex.
> 
> Just a preliminary - Maxell MX-S certainly predates
> Vertex.  I'm also pretty
> certain that Sony Metal Master came out before the
> Super Metal Master in the
> metal box.  (I think your contact, Fred is mistaken
> there).  Shall get back
> to you on these.
> 
> I shall provide you with the figures on the two
> Maxell relative performance
> under test.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marc
> 
> >>> angelricano at hotmail.com 11/19/04 03:36AM >>>
> Hello Nak wizs,
> Does anybody know which came first and what year did
> the following tapes
> came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal
> Master,  Maxell MX-S or
> Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence
> in sound between the
> Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than
> SMM, but it doesn't mean
> that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests
> for the Sony tapes in
> my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me
> that first came out the
> Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is
> selling me Maxell Metal
> Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the
> SSMM came first.
> Thanks,
> Angel
> 
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sun Nov 21 14:13:25 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:13:25 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
In-Reply-To: <s1a06fd6.066@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFCEFICFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Martin - Fuji Metal-Z are very good tapes. I do have a nice batch of them.

This particular thread, however, with all these notes below, focused on
metal tapes inside matal alloy cassette shells, and to my best recollection,
Fuji never had one like that on the market.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Mark Hugo
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 2:37 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com; zxl1000 at yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks


Hi Marin,

There's nothing wrong with them!!  They are in fact excellent metals.  They
have a reasonalbly high coercivity for a metal, sound very fresh and
effervescent and have the traditional Fuji durability.  However, they were
not carried by all retailers and are seldom sold at knock-down prices.

Have no hesitation in buying its sister tape, ZII, which is fine type 2 in
the "Super-chrome class".  This shares a similar sonic signature but with
obviously less headroom.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> zxl1000 at yahoo.com 11/20/04 08:36PM >>>
Hello, everybody.
Why nobody mentions the FUJI "Metal Z" tapes (Japan
made, slim case, no screws, discontinued in 2002)?
Are those considered "lower class" metals? Have 20+ of
them, bought cheap - stock liquidation.
Just curious.

Best wishes to all,

Marin


--- Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:

> The first tape along the lines of heavy metal tape
> housing, came in
> 1979/1980, in the form of TDK MA-R. This was a
> TDK-MA tape in special metal
> alloy cassette shell.
>
> Then was the TDK MA-XG (TDK MA-X with special
> shell). And in the late 80's
> two more players came on board, Maxell Vertex and
> Sony Metal Master. Sony
> Super Metal Master Followed. THAT's was another
> brand offering similar
> cassettes. I remember these tapes collecting dust in
> the stores, at least
> here in Chicago, as selling prices of $9-15 per each
> tape was very steep.
> The first SMM I bought was in 1990.
>
> The list price (msrp) of C-90 in 1993 of Sony MM was
> $10.99 and Sony SSM was
> $20.99 (for comparison TD MA 90 list was $3.99, and
> MA-XG was $18.99)
>
> On the American market, Maxell MX came first, then
> Vertex and MX-S pretty
> much at the same time in 1989. It is my
> understanding that MX-S is just a
> newer version of MX. Vertex was a very limited,
> low-availability kind of
> cassette (listing in 1991 at $14.99.)
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:02 AM
> To: angelricano at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi
> Decks
>
>
> Hi Angel,
>
> I'll start digging up the info you need.  These are
> very special, rare and
> expensive metals.  Count yourself fortunate on the
> Maxell Metal Vertex.
>
> Just a preliminary - Maxell MX-S certainly predates
> Vertex.  I'm also pretty
> certain that Sony Metal Master came out before the
> Super Metal Master in the
> metal box.  (I think your contact, Fred is mistaken
> there).  Shall get back
> to you on these.
>
> I shall provide you with the figures on the two
> Maxell relative performance
> under test.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
> >>> angelricano at hotmail.com 11/19/04 03:36AM >>>
> Hello Nak wizs,
> Does anybody know which came first and what year did
> the following tapes
> came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal
> Master,  Maxell MX-S or
> Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence
> in sound between the
> Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than
> SMM, but it doesn't mean
> that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests
> for the Sony tapes in
> my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me
> that first came out the
> Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is
> selling me Maxell Metal
> Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the
> SSMM came first.
> Thanks,
> Angel
>
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Nov 22 11:23:19 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:23:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
References: <BAY101-F400660EA75E8FCB17554E9D5C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003d01c4d07d$49aa1830$1510a8c0@TG>

Agree B&W being one and only top servicing name in Europe donot abuse it(!)
and have reasonable costs. (had some parts a couple of times)
Invoices with Nakamichi Header dress up the work well.

Tayfur

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From: "winnie pooh" <winniepoohlove at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:10 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin


>
> Just to add on my experiences with Bowers and Wilkins: I had previously 
> sent them my CR-7E and RX-505E for full service and calibration. They are 
> indeed very good, considering it is essentially only one person providing 
> the full works. They also do not overcharge for any rare/hard to find 
> parts, if they have it they will just charge what it would have cost 
> before. One thing I found out is that they will not modify the decks, even 
> if you request them to cos they believe in keeping to the factory specs. 
> However, I think your mods are safe, Graham cos they will just service and 
> leave them alone if a mod has been done - I think they just don't like to 
> initiate the mods themselves.
>
> Mark, yes the Nak header on the invoice is nice, isn't it?
>
>
>
>>From: "Mark Caton" <mark.l.caton at btinternet.com>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
>>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:17:20 -0000
>>
>>Gra,
>>
>>FYI, I had a CR-7 serviced by them recently, and got excellent service. 
>>Not
>>cheap, but you wouldn't want cheap service with these machines.
>>
>>n.b. You'll get an invoice back from them with the Nak header
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
>>Of Nelson
>>Sent: 18 November 2004 12:17
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>Subject: [naktalk] Bowers & Wilkin
>>
>>Guys, and esp. the Brits and Brit domiciled ...
>>
>>Just to let you know, I decided to mail my beloved ZX-9 to B&W for a full
>>service.  Posted the day before yesterday - mark that date.  My experience
>>of them thus far on telephone and e-mail has been very good - they not 
>>only
>>answer my emails (unlike some), they do so fairly promptly (like, within 
>>2-3
>>days.)  I'll let you know what the costs are like and speed of service, 
>>etc'
>>as things progress ... not that we Brits have any choice other than B&W 
>>....
>>unless anyone out there knows of any other independent service engineers 
>>in
>>the UK with the right gear to service Nak's?
>>
>>I'd actually have preferred to sent it to TransTec in Holland as they
>>serviced it last and did the Tom van den Hoff modification at the same 
>>time;
>>however, since they do not handle Nak's anymore, that's not an option.  I
>>just hope the B&W people will not  beggar Tom's modification as I suspect
>>that is what makes my particular ZX-9 rather special in comparison with an
>>unmodified pristine serviced CR-7.
>>
>>More later ...
>>
>>Gra'
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From roleo at telus.net  Tue Nov 23 05:34:54 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:34:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Internet Fraud Scheme
References: <ED37BBF2-38DF-11D9-A70B-000A95B99D40@millic.com.ar>
Message-ID: <000b01c4d115$c7e44200$6501a8c0@desktop>

Thought I would let you all know about an internet fraud scheme that can affect E-bay sellers 
espcecially if you're selling a Dragon, CR-7 or ZX-9.  Read the link below.  I just had an 
encounter, but didn't get taken fortunately, as I got suspicious:

http://www.schemers.us/eBay.html

-- Roland 



From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Tue Nov 23 05:46:30 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:46:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Head & Pinch Roller Cleaner for Nakamichi decks
Message-ID: <41A2C0A6.8040304@woods-and-waters.com>

As a follow-up to the thread on what is the best head cleaner, may I 
recommend "American Recorder S-721H Head Guide and Roller 
Cleaner/Rejuvenator." It doesn't have alcohol and water, neithe rof 
which are good for your snazzy Naks. Yet, it's more effective than the 
"wet Freon" style cleaners sold years ago before the US ban on CFCs

I've been using it for years not only on my Nakamichi 550, but all my 
other analog recorders, great and small.

I've been buying mine in recent years from -- 
http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/profs7headgu.html

-- 
Kermit Gray
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16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Tue Nov 23 05:50:17 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:50:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Service Tip for your Nakamichi deck
Message-ID: <41A2C189.8060301@woods-and-waters.com>

If you have the desire to open up your Nakamichi cassette deck, be aware 
of one caveat. The screws used in most Nakamichi decks are NOT Philips 
screws, they're JIS, also known as Japanese Crosspoint screws. The head 
of a JIS screw has flatter slots than Philips screws, so if you use a 
Philips screwdriver in a JIS screw head, you'll have a hard time 
removing the screw -- and most likely will strip out the head.

-- 
Kermit Gray
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 23 11:10:39 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:10:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D749@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY18-F253E0C66CADF1EC4212423ABC70@phx.gbl>

Hi Folks!

My computer just "Passed Away" (Power Supply) and the hard disc also. Soon I 
will able to write from y computer...Now I'm using my best friend one!

Sorry I like Type 2 only...and NOT Metal ones!

For me the TDK SA/SA-X are the best suitable for all Nak machines!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!




>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:38:03 +1100
>
>I bought a box of ten about 4 years ago - no problems to date, nice looking
>too.
>
>	Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marin TUREA [mailto:zxl1000 at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2004 5:37
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
>
>
>Hello, everybody.
>Why nobody mentions the FUJI "Metal Z" tapes (Japan
>made, slim case, no screws, discontinued in 2002)?
>Are those considered "lower class" metals? Have 20+ of
>them, bought cheap - stock liquidation.
>Just curious.
>
>Best wishes to all,
>
>Marin
>
>
>--- Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > The first tape along the lines of heavy metal tape
> > housing, came in
> > 1979/1980, in the form of TDK MA-R. This was a
> > TDK-MA tape in special metal
> > alloy cassette shell.
> >
> > Then was the TDK MA-XG (TDK MA-X with special
> > shell). And in the late 80's
> > two more players came on board, Maxell Vertex and
> > Sony Metal Master. Sony
> > Super Metal Master Followed. THAT's was another
> > brand offering similar
> > cassettes. I remember these tapes collecting dust in
> > the stores, at least
> > here in Chicago, as selling prices of $9-15 per each
> > tape was very steep.
> > The first SMM I bought was in 1990.
> >
> > The list price (msrp) of C-90 in 1993 of Sony MM was
> > $10.99 and Sony SSM was
> > $20.99 (for comparison TD MA 90 list was $3.99, and
> > MA-XG was $18.99)
> >
> > On the American market, Maxell MX came first, then
> > Vertex and MX-S pretty
> > much at the same time in 1989. It is my
> > understanding that MX-S is just a
> > newer version of MX. Vertex was a very limited,
> > low-availability kind of
> > cassette (listing in 1991 at $14.99.)
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:02 AM
> > To: angelricano at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi
> > Decks
> >
> >
> > Hi Angel,
> >
> > I'll start digging up the info you need.  These are
> > very special, rare and
> > expensive metals.  Count yourself fortunate on the
> > Maxell Metal Vertex.
> >
> > Just a preliminary - Maxell MX-S certainly predates
> > Vertex.  I'm also pretty
> > certain that Sony Metal Master came out before the
> > Super Metal Master in the
> > metal box.  (I think your contact, Fred is mistaken
> > there).  Shall get back
> > to you on these.
> >
> > I shall provide you with the figures on the two
> > Maxell relative performance
> > under test.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > >>> angelricano at hotmail.com 11/19/04 03:36AM >>>
> > Hello Nak wizs,
> > Does anybody know which came first and what year did
> > the following tapes
> > came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal
> > Master,  Maxell MX-S or
> > Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence
> > in sound between the
> > Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than
> > SMM, but it doesn't mean
> > that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests
> > for the Sony tapes in
> > my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me
> > that first came out the
> > Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is
> > selling me Maxell Metal
> > Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the
> > SSMM came first.
> > Thanks,
> > Angel
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 23 11:16:51 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:16:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
In-Reply-To: <s1a06fd6.066@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY18-F180E84A5FB4772FC069C36ABC70@phx.gbl>

Shalom Marc!

I can obtain here in Israel "Z" type 2 Japanese Fuji, many boxes that I want 
for $:1.00 (One American dollar each cassette).

Next week I will buy two boxes for my "Collection"....A joke!!!!

Be well,

ALEX!




>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <zxl1000 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
>Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:36:58 +0200
>
>Hi Marin,
>
>There's nothing wrong with them!!  They are in fact excellent metals.  They 
>have a reasonalbly high coercivity for a metal, sound very fresh and 
>effervescent and have the traditional Fuji durability.  However, they were 
>not carried by all retailers and are seldom sold at knock-down prices.
>
>Have no hesitation in buying its sister tape, ZII, which is fine type 2 in 
>the "Super-chrome class".  This shares a similar sonic signature but with 
>obviously less headroom.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc
>
> >>> zxl1000 at yahoo.com 11/20/04 08:36PM >>>
>Hello, everybody.
>Why nobody mentions the FUJI "Metal Z" tapes (Japan
>made, slim case, no screws, discontinued in 2002)?
>Are those considered "lower class" metals? Have 20+ of
>them, bought cheap - stock liquidation.
>Just curious.
>
>Best wishes to all,
>
>Marin
>
>
>--- Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > The first tape along the lines of heavy metal tape
> > housing, came in
> > 1979/1980, in the form of TDK MA-R. This was a
> > TDK-MA tape in special metal
> > alloy cassette shell.
> >
> > Then was the TDK MA-XG (TDK MA-X with special
> > shell). And in the late 80's
> > two more players came on board, Maxell Vertex and
> > Sony Metal Master. Sony
> > Super Metal Master Followed. THAT's was another
> > brand offering similar
> > cassettes. I remember these tapes collecting dust in
> > the stores, at least
> > here in Chicago, as selling prices of $9-15 per each
> > tape was very steep.
> > The first SMM I bought was in 1990.
> >
> > The list price (msrp) of C-90 in 1993 of Sony MM was
> > $10.99 and Sony SSM was
> > $20.99 (for comparison TD MA 90 list was $3.99, and
> > MA-XG was $18.99)
> >
> > On the American market, Maxell MX came first, then
> > Vertex and MX-S pretty
> > much at the same time in 1989. It is my
> > understanding that MX-S is just a
> > newer version of MX. Vertex was a very limited,
> > low-availability kind of
> > cassette (listing in 1991 at $14.99.)
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:02 AM
> > To: angelricano at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi
> > Decks
> >
> >
> > Hi Angel,
> >
> > I'll start digging up the info you need.  These are
> > very special, rare and
> > expensive metals.  Count yourself fortunate on the
> > Maxell Metal Vertex.
> >
> > Just a preliminary - Maxell MX-S certainly predates
> > Vertex.  I'm also pretty
> > certain that Sony Metal Master came out before the
> > Super Metal Master in the
> > metal box.  (I think your contact, Fred is mistaken
> > there).  Shall get back
> > to you on these.
> >
> > I shall provide you with the figures on the two
> > Maxell relative performance
> > under test.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > >>> angelricano at hotmail.com 11/19/04 03:36AM >>>
> > Hello Nak wizs,
> > Does anybody know which came first and what year did
> > the following tapes
> > came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal
> > Master,  Maxell MX-S or
> > Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence
> > in sound between the
> > Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than
> > SMM, but it doesn't mean
> > that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests
> > for the Sony tapes in
> > my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me
> > that first came out the
> > Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is
> > selling me Maxell Metal
> > Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the
> > SSMM came first.
> > Thanks,
> > Angel
> >
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Nov 23 11:30:27 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:30:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
Message-ID: <s1a32d75.081@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Shalom Alex!!

That's incredibly cheap for Fuji ZII.  It's a really worthwhile super-chrome.

Go well,

Marc

>>> "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 11/23/04 12:16PM >>>
Shalom Marc!

I can obtain here in Israel "Z" type 2 Japanese Fuji, many boxes that I want 
for $:1.00 (One American dollar each cassette).

Next week I will buy two boxes for my "Collection"....A joke!!!!

Be well,

ALEX!




>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <zxl1000 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi Decks
>Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:36:58 +0200
>
>Hi Marin,
>
>There's nothing wrong with them!!  They are in fact excellent metals.  They 
>have a reasonalbly high coercivity for a metal, sound very fresh and 
>effervescent and have the traditional Fuji durability.  However, they were 
>not carried by all retailers and are seldom sold at knock-down prices.
>
>Have no hesitation in buying its sister tape, ZII, which is fine type 2 in 
>the "Super-chrome class".  This shares a similar sonic signature but with 
>obviously less headroom.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc
>
> >>> zxl1000 at yahoo.com 11/20/04 08:36PM >>>
>Hello, everybody.
>Why nobody mentions the FUJI "Metal Z" tapes (Japan
>made, slim case, no screws, discontinued in 2002)?
>Are those considered "lower class" metals? Have 20+ of
>them, bought cheap - stock liquidation.
>Just curious.
>
>Best wishes to all,
>
>Marin
>
>
>--- Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > The first tape along the lines of heavy metal tape
> > housing, came in
> > 1979/1980, in the form of TDK MA-R. This was a
> > TDK-MA tape in special metal
> > alloy cassette shell.
> >
> > Then was the TDK MA-XG (TDK MA-X with special
> > shell). And in the late 80's
> > two more players came on board, Maxell Vertex and
> > Sony Metal Master. Sony
> > Super Metal Master Followed. THAT's was another
> > brand offering similar
> > cassettes. I remember these tapes collecting dust in
> > the stores, at least
> > here in Chicago, as selling prices of $9-15 per each
> > tape was very steep.
> > The first SMM I bought was in 1990.
> >
> > The list price (msrp) of C-90 in 1993 of Sony MM was
> > $10.99 and Sony SSM was
> > $20.99 (for comparison TD MA 90 list was $3.99, and
> > MA-XG was $18.99)
> >
> > On the American market, Maxell MX came first, then
> > Vertex and MX-S pretty
> > much at the same time in 1989. It is my
> > understanding that MX-S is just a
> > newer version of MX. Vertex was a very limited,
> > low-availability kind of
> > cassette (listing in 1991 at $14.99.)
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
> > Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:02 AM
> > To: angelricano at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com 
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best tapes for Nakamichi
> > Decks
> >
> >
> > Hi Angel,
> >
> > I'll start digging up the info you need.  These are
> > very special, rare and
> > expensive metals.  Count yourself fortunate on the
> > Maxell Metal Vertex.
> >
> > Just a preliminary - Maxell MX-S certainly predates
> > Vertex.  I'm also pretty
> > certain that Sony Metal Master came out before the
> > Super Metal Master in the
> > metal box.  (I think your contact, Fred is mistaken
> > there).  Shall get back
> > to you on these.
> >
> > I shall provide you with the figures on the two
> > Maxell relative performance
> > under test.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > >>> angelricano at hotmail.com 11/19/04 03:36AM >>>
> > Hello Nak wizs,
> > Does anybody know which came first and what year did
> > the following tapes
> > came out:  Sony Metal Master or Sony Super Metal
> > Master,  Maxell MX-S or
> > Maxell Metal Vertex.  Also is there a big diffrence
> > in sound between the
> > Maxells.  I know that SSMM sounds better to me than
> > SMM, but it doesn't mean
> > that SSMM is that much better than SMM.  I did tests
> > for the Sony tapes in
> > my ES Lab overhaul Nak CR-7A  It makes sense to me
> > that first came out the
> > Sony MM and then Sony SMM.  Some fellow name Fred is
> > selling me Maxell Metal
> > Vertex 60 min at a reasonable price and toll me the
> > SSMM came first.
> > Thanks,
> > Angel
> >
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 23 18:59:41 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:59:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Service Tip for your Nakamichi deck
In-Reply-To: <41A2C189.8060301@woods-and-waters.com>
References: <41A2C189.8060301@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <41A37A8D.7050908@bellsouth.net>

Good point. Is it obvious upon inspection which type of screw head each is?
Also, where does one get a JIS screwdriver?
Thanks,
Mike

Kermit V. Gray wrote:

> If you have the desire to open up your Nakamichi cassette deck, be 
> aware of one caveat. The screws used in most Nakamichi decks are NOT 
> Philips screws, they're JIS, also known as Japanese Crosspoint screws. 
> The head of a JIS screw has flatter slots than Philips screws, so if 
> you use a Philips screwdriver in a JIS screw head, you'll have a hard 
> time removing the screw -- and most likely will strip out the head.
>




From terry_allan at lineone.net  Tue Nov 23 19:44:25 2004
From: terry_allan at lineone.net (Terry Allan)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:44:25 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Repair
Message-ID: <B2C9DAF5-3D7F-11D9-88B4-0003933EDD52@lineone.net>

I have owned a Nak DR-2 for some time now and I have just recently 
purchased an RX-505E which may just have a problem. I may wish to ask 
advice about that later.  At the moment however I was wondering if 
anyone could provide me with the address of the official Nakamichi 
repair agent in the UK.
Terry



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 24 09:08:53 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:08:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Repair
In-Reply-To: <B2C9DAF5-3D7F-11D9-88B4-0003933EDD52@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <20041124080853.71419.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com>

Contact these guys.

http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/contact_info.htm

Bowers & Wilkins Ltd
Littlehampton Road, 
Worthing, 
West Sussex, 
BN13 1QA

SJ
--- Terry Allan <terry_allan at lineone.net> wrote:

> I have owned a Nak DR-2 for some time now and I have just recently 
> purchased an RX-505E which may just have a problem. I may wish to
> ask 
> advice about that later.  At the moment however I was wondering if 
> anyone could provide me with the address of the official Nakamichi 
> repair agent in the UK.
> Terry
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Nov 24 12:31:38 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:31:38 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Repair Bowers & Wilkin's address and other contact
	details
In-Reply-To: <B2C9DAF5-3D7F-11D9-88B4-0003933EDD52@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <000001c4d219$29bd3e60$37914c51@oemcomputer>

Bowers and Wilkins
Littlehampton Road, 
Worthing, 
West Sussex, 
BN13 1QA
UK

Tel:  +44 01903 264 141
e-mail: info at classic-nakamichi.com 
http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/index.htm

Regards

Graham


> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Terry Allan
> Sent: 23 November 2004 18:44
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Repair
> 
> 
> I have owned a Nak DR-2 for some time now and I have just recently 
> purchased an RX-505E which may just have a problem. I may wish to ask 
> advice about that later.  At the moment however I was wondering if 
> anyone could provide me with the address of the official Nakamichi 
> repair agent in the UK.
> Terry
> 
> 
> 
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From menelaos at stls.verio.net  Wed Nov 24 17:03:19 2004
From: menelaos at stls.verio.net (Menelaos Karamichalis)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:03:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 idler tire
In-Reply-To: <000001c4d219$29bd3e60$37914c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10411240956570.34705-100000@admin.starnet.net>

For some reason, I bought the replacement idler tire directly from
Nakamichi.us, instead of buying the MCM Electronics' part.  Certainly a 
more expensive route.  Nakamichi.us claims this rubber tire will last
longer than the MCM Electronics part.  

The replacement rubber ring does not have the little "lines" across the
face that presses against the rollers, but as it is not hardened like the
original ring, it certainly offers more "traction".

Taking the plastic washer out did indeed require the use of tweezers, but
the overall process did not take as long as I expected and the deck works
beautifully now!  I wish I had done this months ago.

Menelaos 
RX-202



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Nov 25 01:12:45 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:12:45 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Memorex Tape
Message-ID: <659-41A5237D-7403@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>

I just bought a two pack of MEMOREX HBSII 110 mintetapes from the local
thrift store.They were produced in korea.I'm not sure of the production
date or if they are still being manufactured.My guess s they are about
as good as the "CD-IT" tapes.Also on the package, besides the great
memorex"shattered glass" logo( is it live or is it Memorex?), is some
notes on another interesting Memorex tape,the Metal CDX IV.Anyone have
any experience with these? I wouldnt mind Picking up a stash of these...

thank you very much,
gerald



From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 24 20:52:42 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Paul Dingle)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:52:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] JIS Screwdrivers
Message-ID: <002101c4d25f$2945c1a0$0402a8c0@warbird>

Here's a few websites for JIS screwdriver sets 
(sorry, non-North American Nakkers ;-)  )

In the USA:

http://www.jensentools.com    (Product #23-900)

http://www.rjrcooltools.com  (Product #58-0405)

In Canada:

http://www.e-sci.com  (Product# 023-900)


Happy Nakking!

Paul Dingle
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Thu Nov 25 03:37:36 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:37:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Memorex Tape
In-Reply-To: <659-41A5237D-7403@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>
References: <659-41A5237D-7403@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <41A54570.1040205@woods-and-waters.com>

I've had bad experiences with Memorex tape. They seem to "shed" oxide 
excessively, the oxide's "polish" is rougher than other brands, causing 
a higher rate of dropouts, and the MOL (Maximum Output Level) on mos tof 
their Type II tapes is a paltry +3 dB (referred to Dolby level). 
Finally, the THD for the Memorex tapes I've measured in the past runs as 
high as 5% at Dolby level at 400 cps. To my thinking Memorex is 
expensive rust coated onto plastic trash. Until recently, RadioShack 
tapes were made by Memorex, or so I've been told by RadioShack 
sales-entities.

Sorry to be so harsh about a brand of tape but a Nakamichi deck rates 
the best tapes you can grab.

Gerald G. wrote:
> I just bought a two pack of MEMOREX HBSII 110 mintetapes from the local
> thrift store.They were produced in korea.I'm not sure of the production
> date or if they are still being manufactured.My guess s they are about
> as good as the "CD-IT" tapes.Also on the package, besides the great
> memorex"shattered glass" logo( is it live or is it Memorex?), is some
> notes on another interesting Memorex tape,the Metal CDX IV.Anyone have
> any experience with these? I wouldnt mind Picking up a stash of these...
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
> 
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816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Nov 25 15:08:06 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:08:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Memorex Tape
References: <659-41A5237D-7403@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>
	<41A54570.1040205@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <015801c4d2f8$4bcbdb30$1510a8c0@TG>

Agree that Memorex tapes, any type, pretty low in MOL with distortion on 
highs.
Tayfur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Memorex Tape


> I've had bad experiences with Memorex tape. They seem to "shed" oxide 
> excessively, the oxide's "polish" is rougher than other brands, causing a 
> higher rate of dropouts, and the MOL (Maximum Output Level) on mos tof 
> their Type II tapes is a paltry +3 dB (referred to Dolby level). Finally, 
> the THD for the Memorex tapes I've measured in the past runs as high as 5% 
> at Dolby level at 400 cps. To my thinking Memorex is expensive rust coated 
> onto plastic trash. Until recently, RadioShack tapes were made by Memorex, 
> or so I've been told by RadioShack sales-entities.
>
> Sorry to be so harsh about a brand of tape but a Nakamichi deck rates the 
> best tapes you can grab.
>
> Gerald G. wrote:
>> I just bought a two pack of MEMOREX HBSII 110 mintetapes from the local
>> thrift store.They were produced in korea.I'm not sure of the production
>> date or if they are still being manufactured.My guess s they are about
>> as good as the "CD-IT" tapes.Also on the package, besides the great
>> memorex"shattered glass" logo( is it live or is it Memorex?), is some
>> notes on another interesting Memorex tape,the Metal CDX IV.Anyone have
>> any experience with these? I wouldnt mind Picking up a stash of these...
>>
>> thank you very much,
>> gerald
>>
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>>
>
> -- 
> Kermit Gray
> Woods & Waters
> 16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
> 816-918-5058 cellphone
> 913-422-0957 business
> http://www.woods-and-waters.com
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From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl  Thu Nov 25 15:55:02 2004
From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:55:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] JIS screwdrivers
Message-ID: <002801c4d2fe$bdf82960$0200a8c0@lan>

I presume that JIS screwdrivers will be available all over the world from Snap - On Tools , and /or Proto, they are both famous American brands!

Yours truly,
Johan
The Netherlands

*****************************************
Johan E. Berserik
Archipel 23-09
8224 GR  LELYSTAD
Tel. 0320 227397
johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl
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From motionman20 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 26 06:35:13 2004
From: motionman20 at hotmail.com (MotionMan)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:35:13 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi Service Center
Message-ID: <BAY1-DAV15ABCFBC97CBE631CEE83FB1BA0@phx.gbl>

I need a routine tuneup of my Nakamichi Dragan and CR7a . I live in the Miami , Florida area and would  appreciate a recommendation of a capable and honest Nakamichi service and repair shop that won't overcharge me or do any unnecessary maintainance.

Thanks, Tom
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Fri Nov 26 06:05:01 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:05:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BIG List of blank cassettes for your Nak.
Message-ID: <41A6B97D.1020007@woods-and-waters.com>

Fellow Naakamichi Owners,

Follolwing the dictum that your Nak should be fed the best cassettes 
availalbe, I went through my notes and have compiled the following list 
of (I believe) currently available Metal and Chrome bias blank 
cassettes.  List is in alphabetical order. I've found the Denon and the 
THATS brands are the best, Memorex is the worst, Sony and Fuji just 
fair, and TDK offers the best "value." Maxell, to my ears, is acceptable 
but I've always preferred TDK to Maxell. The THATS and Denon brands are 
difficult to find (and expensive), TDK and Maxell are, of course, widely 
available (and cheap). Here's how they compare. (Data taken from 
manufacturers' spec sheets.)

Nope this helps!

N-Joy!

~~~~~~~~~~~

Denon HDM Pure Metal Mastering Tape: 10kHz.+0.4dB Freq.Res., 
10kHz.-0.5dB M.O.L., 3200G Retentivity, 1150 Oe Coercivity, 60dB 
Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +6.0dB to +8.0dB Peak Recording Levels

Denon HD8 “Rival to Metal Tape”: Chrome Bias, 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 
10kHz.-3.0dB M.O.L., 3100G Retentivity, 720 Oe Coercivity, 59dB 
Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +5.5dB to +7.5dB Peak Recording Levels

Denon SPORT METAL Metal Mastering Tape: 10kHz.+0.4dB Freq.Res., 
10kHz.-0.5dB M.O.L., 3200G Retentivity, 1150 Oe Coercivity, 58dB 
Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +4.5dB to +7.5dB Peak Recording Levels

Denon HD7 High Bias Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.5dB M.O.L., 
1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +5.0dB 
to +7.0dB Peak Recording Levels

Denon HD6 High Bias Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.5dB M.O.L., 
1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +4.5dB 
to +6.5dB Peak Recording Levels

Denon SPORT High Bias Tape: 10kHz.+0.55dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.0dB 
M.O.L., 1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise 
Ratio, +4.5dB to +6.5dB Peak Recording Levels

Denon DX-1  Tape: 10kHz.+3.0dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.0dB M.O.L., 1800G 
Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +3.0dB to 
+5.0dB Peak Recording Levels

FUJI FR METAL Tape 78: 2.2 dB Mid-Range and 4.4 dB in the High Frequency 
Range Maximum Output Level.

FUJI FR-II (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range 
Maximum Output Level.

FUJI DR-II High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum 
Output Level.

FUJI Z-II High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum 
Output Level.

Maxell XLIIS (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.2 dB in the High Frequency 
Range Maximum Output Level.

Maxell XLII High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum 
Output Level.

Memorex CDX-IV METAL Tape: 1.9 dB Mid-Range and 4.1 dB in the High 
Frequency Range Maximum Output Level.

Memorex HBS-II (Original) High Bias Tape: 1.9 dB in the High Frequency 
Range Maximum Output Level.

Memorex CIRE-II High Bias Tape: 1.8 dB in the High Frequency Range 
Maximum Output Level.

SONY EHF (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.2 dB in the High Frequency Range 
Maximum Output Level.

SONY UCX High Bias Tape: 2.1 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum 
Output Level.

SONY UX Turbo High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum 
Output Level.

TDK MA (Original) Pure Metal Mastering Tape: 1.9 dB Mid-Range and 4.0 dB 
in the High Frequency Range Maximum Output Level.

TDK MA (Improved) Metal Mastering Tape: 1.8 dB Mid-Range and 3.9 dB in 
the High Frequency Range Maximum Output Level.

TDK SAX (Improved) Extended Range: 2.5 dB in the High Frequency Range 
Maximum Output Level.

TDK SA (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range 
Maximum Output Level.

TDK SA Classic (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency 
Range Maximum Output Level.

TDK SA Classic (Improved) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency 
Range Maximum Output Level.

TDK SA (Revised) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range 
Maximum Output Level.

TDK SA (Improved) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range 
Maximum Output Level.

THAT'S SUONO Pure Metal Mastering Tape: 10kHz.+0.4dB Freq.Res., 
10kHz.-0.5dB M.O.L., 3200G Retentivity, 1150 Oe Coercivity, 60dB 
Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +6dB to +10.5dB Peak Recording Levels

THAT'S CD-IV Pure Metal Mastering Tape: 10kHz.+0.4dB Freq.Res., 
10kHz.-0.5dB M.O.L., 3200G Retentivity, 1150 Oe Coercivity, 58dB 
Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +5dB to +9dB Peak Recording Levels

THAT'S CD-MH Pure Metal Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-3.0dB 
M.O.L., 3100G Retentivity, 720 Oe Coercivity, 59dB Signal-To-Noise 
Ratio, +3.5dB to +7.5dB Peak Recording Levels

THAT'S AS-IV Metal Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-3.0dB M.O.L., 
3100G Retentivity, 720 Oe Coercivity, 59dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +3.5dB 
to +6.0dB Peak Recording Levels

THAT'S CD-II High Bias Tape: High Bias , High Bias10kHz.+0.5dB 
Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.5dB M.O.L., 1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 
58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +4.5dB to +8.5dB Peak Recording Levels

THAT'S AS-II High Bias Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.5dB 
M.O.L., 1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise 
Ratio, +3.5dB to +7.5dB Peak Recording Levels

THAT'S CD Tape: 10kHz.+3.0dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.0dB M.O.L., 1800G 
Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +4.5dB to 
+8.5dB Peak Recording Levels.
-- 
Kermit Gray
Woods & Waters
16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
http://www.woods-and-waters.com



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Nov 26 10:07:51 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:07:51 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] BIG List of blank cassettes for your Nak.
In-Reply-To: <41A6B97D.1020007@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4d397$688cd900$27a34e51@oemcomputer>

Hi Kermit

You also need to consider the shells.  For example, recently made European
versions of TDK are in shells that are inferior to those of the original
Japanese manufacture, such that they slightly misalign the tape inside of
them.  Hence, if you have a manual deck (like my ZX-9) the azimuth has to be
re-set when the tape is turned over from side A to B.    Some members would
also suggest that the tapes inside of them are of variable quality, too.

Then, there is also the issue of longevity.  M<ost of my old cassettes are
TDK SA, with only a few exceptions, so I am not in a position to judge but
some of our members who have, for example, TDK SA and Maxell XLII or XLIIS
find the Maxell recordings retain their freshness much longer than the TDKs.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray
> Sent: 26 November 2004 05:05
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] BIG List of blank cassettes for your Nak.
>
>
> Fellow Naakamichi Owners,
>
> Follolwing the dictum that your Nak should be fed the best cassettes
> availalbe, I went through my notes and have compiled the following list
> of (I believe) currently available Metal and Chrome bias blank
> cassettes.  List is in alphabetical order. I've found the Denon and the
> THATS brands are the best, Memorex is the worst, Sony and Fuji just
> fair, and TDK offers the best "value." Maxell, to my ears, is acceptable
> but I've always preferred TDK to Maxell. The THATS and Denon brands are
> difficult to find (and expensive), TDK and Maxell are, of course, widely
> available (and cheap). Here's how they compare. (Data taken from
> manufacturers' spec sheets.)
>
> Nope this helps!
>
> N-Joy!
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Denon HDM Pure Metal Mastering Tape: 10kHz.+0.4dB Freq.Res.,
> 10kHz.-0.5dB M.O.L., 3200G Retentivity, 1150 Oe Coercivity, 60dB
> Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +6.0dB to +8.0dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> Denon HD8 “Rival to Metal Tape”: Chrome Bias, 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res.,
> 10kHz.-3.0dB M.O.L., 3100G Retentivity, 720 Oe Coercivity, 59dB
> Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +5.5dB to +7.5dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> Denon SPORT METAL Metal Mastering Tape: 10kHz.+0.4dB Freq.Res.,
> 10kHz.-0.5dB M.O.L., 3200G Retentivity, 1150 Oe Coercivity, 58dB
> Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +4.5dB to +7.5dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> Denon HD7 High Bias Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.5dB M.O.L.,
> 1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +5.0dB
> to +7.0dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> Denon HD6 High Bias Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.5dB M.O.L.,
> 1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +4.5dB
> to +6.5dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> Denon SPORT High Bias Tape: 10kHz.+0.55dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.0dB
> M.O.L., 1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise
> Ratio, +4.5dB to +6.5dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> Denon DX-1  Tape: 10kHz.+3.0dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.0dB M.O.L., 1800G
> Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +3.0dB to
> +5.0dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> FUJI FR METAL Tape 78: 2.2 dB Mid-Range and 4.4 dB in the High Frequency
> Range Maximum Output Level.
>
> FUJI FR-II (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range
> Maximum Output Level.
>
> FUJI DR-II High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum
> Output Level.
>
> FUJI Z-II High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum
> Output Level.
>
> Maxell XLIIS (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.2 dB in the High Frequency
> Range Maximum Output Level.
>
> Maxell XLII High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum
> Output Level.
>
> Memorex CDX-IV METAL Tape: 1.9 dB Mid-Range and 4.1 dB in the High
> Frequency Range Maximum Output Level.
>
> Memorex HBS-II (Original) High Bias Tape: 1.9 dB in the High Frequency
> Range Maximum Output Level.
>
> Memorex CIRE-II High Bias Tape: 1.8 dB in the High Frequency Range
> Maximum Output Level.
>
> SONY EHF (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.2 dB in the High Frequency Range
> Maximum Output Level.
>
> SONY UCX High Bias Tape: 2.1 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum
> Output Level.
>
> SONY UX Turbo High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range Maximum
> Output Level.
>
> TDK MA (Original) Pure Metal Mastering Tape: 1.9 dB Mid-Range and 4.0 dB
> in the High Frequency Range Maximum Output Level.
>
> TDK MA (Improved) Metal Mastering Tape: 1.8 dB Mid-Range and 3.9 dB in
> the High Frequency Range Maximum Output Level.
>
> TDK SAX (Improved) Extended Range: 2.5 dB in the High Frequency Range
> Maximum Output Level.
>
> TDK SA (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range
> Maximum Output Level.
>
> TDK SA Classic (Original) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency
> Range Maximum Output Level.
>
> TDK SA Classic (Improved) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency
> Range Maximum Output Level.
>
> TDK SA (Revised) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range
> Maximum Output Level.
>
> TDK SA (Improved) High Bias Tape: 2.0 dB in the High Frequency Range
> Maximum Output Level.
>
> THAT'S SUONO Pure Metal Mastering Tape: 10kHz.+0.4dB Freq.Res.,
> 10kHz.-0.5dB M.O.L., 3200G Retentivity, 1150 Oe Coercivity, 60dB
> Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +6dB to +10.5dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> THAT'S CD-IV Pure Metal Mastering Tape: 10kHz.+0.4dB Freq.Res.,
> 10kHz.-0.5dB M.O.L., 3200G Retentivity, 1150 Oe Coercivity, 58dB
> Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +5dB to +9dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> THAT'S CD-MH Pure Metal Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-3.0dB
> M.O.L., 3100G Retentivity, 720 Oe Coercivity, 59dB Signal-To-Noise
> Ratio, +3.5dB to +7.5dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> THAT'S AS-IV Metal Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-3.0dB M.O.L.,
> 3100G Retentivity, 720 Oe Coercivity, 59dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +3.5dB
> to +6.0dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> THAT'S CD-II High Bias Tape: High Bias , High Bias10kHz.+0.5dB
> Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.5dB M.O.L., 1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity,
> 58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +4.5dB to +8.5dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> THAT'S AS-II High Bias Tape: 10kHz.+0.5dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.5dB
> M.O.L., 1700G Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise
> Ratio, +3.5dB to +7.5dB Peak Recording Levels
>
> THAT'S CD Tape: 10kHz.+3.0dB Freq.Res., 10kHz.-6.0dB M.O.L., 1800G
> Retentivity, 380 Oe Coercivity, 58dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, +4.5dB to
> +8.5dB Peak Recording Levels.
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Fri Nov 26 13:08:38 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:08:38 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: JIS Screwdrivers
Message-ID: <000e01c4d3b0$afef58e0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>


More info on JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) tools....

http://www.centralhobbies.com/Tools/jis.html

http://www.micro-tools.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MT&Product_Code=58-0218

http://www.ba-electronics.com/moody.htm

http://dbestco.com/JISandLinkDrvrs.html

      Why you need Japanese Industrial Standard screwdrivers...

      Improper screwdriver fit strips out screw heads, wastes valuable time, and makes hard work out of something that should've been fun.  Japanese Phillips' head screws require screwdrivers that meet precise Japanese specifications, but many standard American and European screwdrivers don't meet those specs.  Our JIS screwdrivers do.  They'll save you time, money and needless frustration.  Always use the right tool for the job.
       


K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net


----- Original Message -----
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:52:42 -0500
From: Paul Dingle <fugue4all at shaw.ca>
Subject: [naktalk] JIS Screwdrivers
To: naktalk at naks.com
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Here's a few websites for JIS screwdriver sets 
(sorry, non-North American Nakkers ;-)  )

In the USA:

http://www.jensentools.com    (Product #23-900)

http://www.rjrcooltools.com  (Product #58-0405)

In Canada:

http://www.e-sci.com  (Product# 023-900)


Happy Nakking!

Paul Dingle
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From bhonhoff at dds.nl  Fri Nov 26 11:23:39 2004
From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:23:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BIG List of blank cassettes for your Nak.
In-Reply-To: <000501c4d397$688cd900$27a34e51@oemcomputer>
References: <000501c4d397$688cd900$27a34e51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1101464619.41a7042b0afd3@webmail.dds.nl>

Hi,

I still owe the first tapes I made 24 years ago on my Nak 550 and the best
tapes were the ChromDioxid tapes from BASF. Still sound like yesterday recorded.
The other brands (AGFA, PHILIPS) were not that good.
The ChromDioxid II special tapes from BASF, a few years younger, but still over
20 ;-) were from a lesser quality, just like the first TDK-SA's and ED's.

(recorded from Thorens TD166 (Stanton 681 EEE) and Quad FM3 - broadcasts)

BTW. They do sound still perfect on an CR7e!

regards,

bart


> Then, there is also the issue of longevity.  M<ost of my old cassettes are
> TDK SA, with only a few exceptions, so I am not in a position to judge but
> some of our members who have, for example, TDK SA and Maxell XLII or XLIIS
> find the Maxell recordings retain their freshness much longer than the TDKs.




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Nov 26 12:42:21 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:42:21 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] BIG List of blank cassettes for your Nak.
In-Reply-To: <1101464619.41a7042b0afd3@webmail.dds.nl>
Message-ID: <000801c4d3ac$fdcca760$27a34e51@oemcomputer>

I concur with Bart - more latterly, I started using BASF chrome formula
tapes (Super Chrome and Chrome II, I think) and found them excellent - I'd
say slightly better than TDK SA and certainly a lot better in terms of the
accuracy/build quality of their cases, and particularly the earlier ones
with screwed down cases rather than the glued variety.  (I only switched to
them because they were, at that time, readily available from a local
supermarket and significantly cheaper than TDK SA!!)  I've not had any of
them quite as long as my oldest TDK SA's, with which I have noticed some
drop off in treble with some cassettes.  So far no such signs with the BASF.
Come to think of it, I do have a very old Maxell XLII.  When I first used it
(on an Aiwa AD1800) it seemed to be to be slightly overly warm compared to
the TDK SA;  however, it has remained truer to its original recorded sound
than TDK SA's used in the same period.

Regards

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bart honhoff [mailto:bhonhoff at dds.nl]
> Sent: 26 November 2004 10:24
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Nelson
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] BIG List of blank cassettes for your Nak.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I still owe the first tapes I made 24 years ago on my Nak 550 and the best
> tapes were the ChromDioxid tapes from BASF. Still sound like
> yesterday recorded.
> The other brands (AGFA, PHILIPS) were not that good.
> The ChromDioxid II special tapes from BASF, a few years younger,
> but still over
> 20 ;-) were from a lesser quality, just like the first TDK-SA's and ED's.
>
> (recorded from Thorens TD166 (Stanton 681 EEE) and Quad FM3 - broadcasts)
>
> BTW. They do sound still perfect on an CR7e!
>
> regards,
>
> bart
>
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 26 16:08:18 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:08:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi Service Center
Message-ID: <BAY2-F30453C4423A09722A64CE79EBA0@phx.gbl>

Why did this post take four weeks to materialize?

>From: "MotionMan" <motionman20 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi Service Center
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:34:55 -0400
>
>I need a routine tuneup of my Nakamichi Dragan and CR7a . I live in the 
>Miami , Florida area and would  appreciate a recommendation of a capable 
>and honest Nakamichi service and repair shop that won't overcharge me or do 
>any unnecessary maintainance.
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Nov 26 16:48:00 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:48:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi Service Center
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F30453C4423A09722A64CE79EBA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000401c4d3cf$4f047640$8a9f4c51@oemcomputer>

Probably got caught up with the Democratic election returns!

Grinham

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> Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: 26 November 2004 15:08
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi Service Center
>
>
> Why did this post take four weeks to materialize?
>
> >From: "MotionMan" <motionman20 at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi Service Center
> >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:34:55 -0400
> >
> >I need a routine tuneup of my Nakamichi Dragan and CR7a . I live in the
> >Miami , Florida area and would  appreciate a recommendation of a capable
> >and honest Nakamichi service and repair shop that won't
> overcharge me or do
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Nov 26 18:48:58 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:48:58 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Memorex Tape
Message-ID: <s1a788af.086@mroute.sunint.co.za>



>>> Mark Hugo 11/26/04 12:51PM >>>
Hi Gerald and Kermit,

Kermit, those are very interesting observations and figures (the other list is also excellent).

My experience with Memorex is minuscule - I only have 2 dating back from the mid-eighties - blue shell C-90s and in the chrome class.  Both of them are physically defective to the extent of having no satisfactory contact of tape to head (even on dual cap Naks that feature pad lifting) .  They remain curiosities insofar as being quite stupendously badly manufactured without actually appearing to be so from the outside!!

However, the ones that you have may have been with different formulations of tape and different dyes for the shells - and suddenly you have something worthwhile.  Consider that many Hitachi/Maxell type ones were made in Korea from the late 70s, that Sony wholly own SKC Magnetics in Seoul - these guys make clones of Sonys which are highly desirable (QX and ZX are simply copies of Sony giant killers from their '88 ES range, the UCX-S and Metal-ES respectively); the better Goldstars were good too.

Cheers,

Marc

  

>>> "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com> 11/25/04 04:37AM >>>
I've had bad experiences with Memorex tape. They seem to "shed" oxide 
excessively, the oxide's "polish" is rougher than other brands, causing 
a higher rate of dropouts, and the MOL (Maximum Output Level) on mos tof 
their Type II tapes is a paltry +3 dB (referred to Dolby level). 
Finally, the THD for the Memorex tapes I've measured in the past runs as 
high as 5% at Dolby level at 400 cps. To my thinking Memorex is 
expensive rust coated onto plastic trash. Until recently, RadioShack 
tapes were made by Memorex, or so I've been told by RadioShack 
sales-entities.

Sorry to be so harsh about a brand of tape but a Nakamichi deck rates 
the best tapes you can grab.

Gerald G. wrote:
> I just bought a two pack of MEMOREX HBSII 110 mintetapes from the local
> thrift store.They were produced in korea.I'm not sure of the production
> date or if they are still being manufactured.My guess s they are about
> as good as the "CD-IT" tapes.Also on the package, besides the great
> memorex"shattered glass" logo( is it live or is it Memorex?), is some
> notes on another interesting Memorex tape,the Metal CDX IV.Anyone have
> any experience with these? I wouldnt mind Picking up a stash of these...
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Nov 26 20:00:47 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:00:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi Service Center
In-Reply-To: <000401c4d3cf$4f047640$8a9f4c51@oemcomputer>
References: <000401c4d3cf$4f047640$8a9f4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41A77D5F.9070602@xs4all.nl>

I suppose they don't have a good recommendation for you...
Wouter

Nelson wrote:

>Probably got caught up with the Democratic election returns!
>
>Grinham
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of neil lipes
>>Sent: 26 November 2004 15:08
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi Service Center
>>
>>
>>Why did this post take four weeks to materialize?
>>
>>    
>>
>>>From: "MotionMan" <motionman20 at hotmail.com>
>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Subject: [naktalk] Best Nakamichi Service Center
>>>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:34:55 -0400
>>>
>>>I need a routine tuneup of my Nakamichi Dragan and CR7a . I live in the
>>>Miami , Florida area and would  appreciate a recommendation of a capable
>>>and honest Nakamichi service and repair shop that won't
>>>      
>>>
>>overcharge me or do
>>    
>>
>>>any unnecessary maintainance.
>>>
>>>Thanks, Tom
>>>      
>>>



From flifton at mac.com  Fri Nov 26 20:10:21 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:10:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care
In-Reply-To: <200411261100.iAQB0FHP016805@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200411261100.iAQB0FHP016805@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <D1C30441-3FDE-11D9-8588-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
with the recent flurry of tape-related questions on the board lately, I 
will repeat an earlier, unanswered query: what's the best way to 
lubricate older cassette shells (without disassembling them)?
best,
Fred



From lists at richardhess.com  Fri Nov 26 21:08:15 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:08:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care
In-Reply-To: <D1C30441-3FDE-11D9-8588-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
References: <200411261100.iAQB0FHP016805@zebra.naks.com>
	<200411261100.iAQB0FHP016805@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041126150613.0563fc00@127.0.0.1>

Fred, if the shell on a client tape is giving me problems, I load it into a 
C0. I have a Tandberg portable cassette player that I have modified for the 
purpose.
  - cut the leader of the good tape
  - cut the leader of the C0 in the middle
  - splice
  - wind tape to new cassette
  - cut leader and splice
Takes less than ten minutes.
C0s are available from ARCAL.COM among others.

Cheers,

Richard
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/
Aurora, Ontario, Canada

At 11:10 AM 11/26/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>with the recent flurry of tape-related questions on the board lately, I 
>will repeat an earlier, unanswered query: what's the best way to lubricate 
>older cassette shells (without disassembling them)?
>best,
>Fred
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Nov 27 00:50:25 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:50:25 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care
In-Reply-To: <D1C30441-3FDE-11D9-8588-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4d412$b3089340$d2e34c51@oemcomputer>

Hi Fred

Just so's you don't think you're being ignored, in answer to your question
... I dunno!  I've never heard of it being done.  Most of these cassettes
have "self-lubricating" plastic parts and ought not require artificial
lubricants.  If they ain't running as they ought it would be better, I'd
have thought, to cannibalise a cassette that IS running okay and move your
valuable tape into that substitute shell.  If it's the spools themselves
that are worn, I suppose that might require some cutting of the tape from
the old spools and splicing it onto fresh leaders in the new spools.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Fred Lifton
> Sent: 26 November 2004 19:10
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] cassette care
>
>
> Hi all,
> with the recent flurry of tape-related questions on the board lately, I
> will repeat an earlier, unanswered query: what's the best way to
> lubricate older cassette shells (without disassembling them)?
> best,
> Fred
>
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Sat Nov 27 03:33:17 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:33:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care
In-Reply-To: <000501c4d412$b3089340$d2e34c51@oemcomputer>
References: <000501c4d412$b3089340$d2e34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41A7E76D.2070206@woods-and-waters.com>

As a followup, I once worked (briefly) in a sound archive, and gained 
invaluable instruction in restoring V-Discs, acetate transcriptions, 
Edison cylinders, "78s" (which seldom ever ran at 78 rpm), wire 
recordings, and magnetic tapes.

The LAST thing you want to do is put ANY kind of fluid on ANY kind of 
audio or video tape, unless you like strips of magnetic gum.

What's the best way to lubricate older cassette shells without 
disassembling them? There is no way. You cannot give a cassette a lube 
job. The slip sheets, pressure pad, tape backing and the rollers 
together are "the lubricant." If any one of them is defective it must 
either be replaced or tolerated.

Transferring the tape to a new shell is the way most archivists fix 
"jamming" or "squeaky" cassettes.

N-Joy!

Nelson wrote:
> Hi Fred
> 
> Just so's you don't think you're being ignored, in answer to your question
> ... I dunno!  I've never heard of it being done.  Most of these cassettes
> have "self-lubricating" plastic parts and ought not require artificial
> lubricants.  If they ain't running as they ought it would be better, I'd
> have thought, to cannibalise a cassette that IS running okay and move your
> valuable tape into that substitute shell.  If it's the spools themselves
> that are worn, I suppose that might require some cutting of the tape from
> the old spools and splicing it onto fresh leaders in the new spools.
> 
> Gra'
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of Fred Lifton
>>Sent: 26 November 2004 19:10
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>Subject: [naktalk] cassette care
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>with the recent flurry of tape-related questions on the board lately, I
>>will repeat an earlier, unanswered query: what's the best way to
>>lubricate older cassette shells (without disassembling them)?
>>best,
>>Fred
>>
>>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Nov 27 22:40:36 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 21:40:36 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care & Archiving 78s
In-Reply-To: <41A7E76D.2070206@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4d4c9$bb037ee0$feda883e@oemcomputer>

Hi Kermit

Interesting that you mention archiving 78s.  That is one use I put to my
ZX-9.  Also for this purpose, as well as to upgrade my system, I recently
acquired a Graham Slee "Jazz Club" phono stage, which offers 15 different
equalisation settings at the phono stage including, of course RIAA.  The
phono stage comes with instructions including what Eq settings to use on 78s
AND 33.3 LPs that were created before RIAA became standard.  And boy!  Do
those settings make a big, very positive difference to the sound of some of
the old 78s and 33.3s I have when they are replayed at their correct
settings.  I also heard - and have since found in my collection - that some
records made after RIAA became the standard were also cut using non-standard
Eq' settings, esp. some re-releases.  With a little experimentation with the
Jazz Club, I have invariably found the correct settings for them.  For my
turntable, I am using a Goldring Lenco GL78 (also found under the Lenco
marque, simply as a Lenco L78) which has variable speeds up to about 81rpm,
which gives me plenty of scope for finding the right speed for some of those
old "78s".  At present I am trying to find out how I can cleanly remove the
arm of the GL78 so that I may put in its place something better, probably my
RS Labs RS-A1 free standing tone arm (as there is no where safe on which to
put it without the original arm being removed first.)

What did you use, if anything, as a click and pop buster when you were
archiving the 78s?  Anything in the analogue domain or did you resort to
digital processing?  (Not sure I like the outcome with digital filters of
this kind - s eems to me that while they are excellent at removing the
clicks and pops, some of the tonal colour of the music is lost in the
process.)

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray
> Sent: 27 November 2004 02:33
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette care
>
>
> As a followup, I once worked (briefly) in a sound archive, and gained
> invaluable instruction in restoring V-Discs, acetate transcriptions,
> Edison cylinders, "78s" (which seldom ever ran at 78 rpm), wire
> recordings, and magnetic tapes.
>
> The LAST thing you want to do is put ANY kind of fluid on ANY kind of
> audio or video tape, unless you like strips of magnetic gum.
>
> What's the best way to lubricate older cassette shells without
> disassembling them? There is no way. You cannot give a cassette a lube
> job. The slip sheets, pressure pad, tape backing and the rollers
> together are "the lubricant." If any one of them is defective it must
> either be replaced or tolerated.
>
> Transferring the tape to a new shell is the way most archivists fix
> "jamming" or "squeaky" cassettes.
>
> N-Joy!
>

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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Sun Nov 28 04:48:27 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:48:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care & Archiving 78s
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4d4c9$bb037ee0$feda883e@oemcomputer>
References: <000e01c4d4c9$bb037ee0$feda883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41A94A8B.5000505@woods-and-waters.com>

Great gear list! Good use for your Nakamichi deck!

We had an “arsenal” of gear for different situations, the Packburn Noise 
Reduction, which has the "archivally-valid" advantage of choosing the 
quieter
of the two groove walls at any instant, so it reduces the surface-noise 
while
not touching the wanted sound. Next, we had a studio version of the 
Philips Dynamic Noise Filter.  Finally, we had an SAE 5000 “Impulse 
Noise Reduction,” a tricky unit to set up right. In recent years I’ve 
used CEDAR, Raygun, Logic Audio’s Declicker and Sonic solutions, but to 
my ears they suck the life out of the music. I’m currently prototyping 
my own design analog declicker as a result.

I hope you're using truncated elliptical styli. They'll remove much of 
the noise outright. We used several different shaped truncated 
elliptical styli on a Stanton 500 cartridge, SME 16-inch arm and 16-inch 
Technics turntable with a McIntosh tube/valve preamp.

N-Joy!

Nelson wrote:
> Hi Kermit
> 
> Interesting that you mention archiving 78s.  That is one use I put to my
> ZX-9.  Also for this purpose, as well as to upgrade my system, I recently
> acquired a Graham Slee "Jazz Club" phono stage, which offers 15 different
> equalisation settings at the phono stage including, of course RIAA.  The
> phono stage comes with instructions including what Eq settings to use on 78s
> AND 33.3 LPs that were created before RIAA became standard.  And boy!  Do
> those settings make a big, very positive difference to the sound of some of
> the old 78s and 33.3s I have when they are replayed at their correct
> settings.  I also heard - and have since found in my collection - that some
> records made after RIAA became the standard were also cut using non-standard
> Eq' settings, esp. some re-releases.  With a little experimentation with the
> Jazz Club, I have invariably found the correct settings for them.  For my
> turntable, I am using a Goldring Lenco GL78 (also found under the Lenco
> marque, simply as a Lenco L78) which has variable speeds up to about 81rpm,
> which gives me plenty of scope for finding the right speed for some of those
> old "78s".  At present I am trying to find out how I can cleanly remove the
> arm of the GL78 so that I may put in its place something better, probably my
> RS Labs RS-A1 free standing tone arm (as there is no where safe on which to
> put it without the original arm being removed first.)
> 
> What did you use, if anything, as a click and pop buster when you were
> archiving the 78s?  Anything in the analogue domain or did you resort to
> digital processing?  (Not sure I like the outcome with digital filters of
> this kind - s eems to me that while they are excellent at removing the
> clicks and pops, some of the tonal colour of the music is lost in the
> process.)
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray
>>Sent: 27 November 2004 02:33
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette care
>>
>>
>>As a followup, I once worked (briefly) in a sound archive, and gained
>>invaluable instruction in restoring V-Discs, acetate transcriptions,
>>Edison cylinders, "78s" (which seldom ever ran at 78 rpm), wire
>>recordings, and magnetic tapes.
>>
>>The LAST thing you want to do is put ANY kind of fluid on ANY kind of
>>audio or video tape, unless you like strips of magnetic gum.
>>
>>What's the best way to lubricate older cassette shells without
>>disassembling them? There is no way. You cannot give a cassette a lube
>>job. The slip sheets, pressure pad, tape backing and the rollers
>>together are "the lubricant." If any one of them is defective it must
>>either be replaced or tolerated.
>>
>>Transferring the tape to a new shell is the way most archivists fix
>>"jamming" or "squeaky" cassettes.
>>
>>N-Joy!
>>
> 
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From whgl at iland.net  Sun Nov 28 20:37:55 2004
From: whgl at iland.net (Durham)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:37:55 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Items Wanted for 550
Message-ID: <FFF9A302-4174-11D9-BEC5-003065C23AC8@iland.net>

A "550" search of my inbox brought up this past post of yours, Kermit:

>
> For my Nakamich 550, I'm seeking a replacement:
>
> 1) Carry Strap
> 2) "AC Pack"
>
> Failing that, does anyone know how to wire a new 12VDC adapter to the 
> AC
> adapter jack on the 550?
>
> Any help is appreciated!
>

Is your search for an AC/DC converter interface still on? I might be 
able to help, even though I don't have one either, because I do have 
the plug; in fact, I have two of them.

When I bought my 550, the seller in England quoted low at first on the 
shipping cost. After I'd won the auction, he discovered that the cost 
would be about double what he'd originally quoted. We agreed that he 
would ship the deck minus the 220V AC/DC converter and keep the total 
cost at what we'd agreed. He kindly cut the plug from the adapter and 
included it.

This means that I have that plug along with an identical one, which is 
on the tapedeck-end of the car-battery power cord that came along as 
well.

I haven't gotten around to locating a suitable converter, but as I 
recall, many AC/DC converters have a "cigarette-lighter" receptacle for 
the DC appliance. If we found a 550-friendly couple of those 
converters, I could simply plug into it with my car-battery cord and 
you could have the other plug and wire to attach to a "cigarette 
lighter" plug and we might both be set.

Let me know if you're still looking and if you have any other ideas.

Best,
Don



From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Mon Nov 29 00:43:44 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:43:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Items Wanted for 550
In-Reply-To: <FFF9A302-4174-11D9-BEC5-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
References: <FFF9A302-4174-11D9-BEC5-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
Message-ID: <41AA62B0.5050405@woods-and-waters.com>

Hi Don,

I successfully reverse engineered the AC/DC adapter and sourced parts 
from Mouser Electronics to make myself a new one as good or better than 
the original. Details upon request

Durham wrote:
> A "550" search of my inbox brought up this past post of yours, Kermit:
> 
>>
>> For my Nakamich 550, I'm seeking a replacement:
>>
>> 1) Carry Strap
>> 2) "AC Pack"
>>
>> Failing that, does anyone know how to wire a new 12VDC adapter to the AC
>> adapter jack on the 550?
>>
>> Any help is appreciated!
>>
> 
> Is your search for an AC/DC converter interface still on? I might be 
> able to help, even though I don't have one either, because I do have the 
> plug; in fact, I have two of them.
> 
> When I bought my 550, the seller in England quoted low at first on the 
> shipping cost. After I'd won the auction, he discovered that the cost 
> would be about double what he'd originally quoted. We agreed that he 
> would ship the deck minus the 220V AC/DC converter and keep the total 
> cost at what we'd agreed. He kindly cut the plug from the adapter and 
> included it.
> 
> This means that I have that plug along with an identical one, which is 
> on the tapedeck-end of the car-battery power cord that came along as well.
> 
> I haven't gotten around to locating a suitable converter, but as I 
> recall, many AC/DC converters have a "cigarette-lighter" receptacle for 
> the DC appliance. If we found a 550-friendly couple of those converters, 
> I could simply plug into it with my car-battery cord and you could have 
> the other plug and wire to attach to a "cigarette lighter" plug and we 
> might both be set.
> 
> Let me know if you're still looking and if you have any other ideas.
> 
> Best,
> Don
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From britri at comcast.net  Mon Nov 29 05:20:41 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:20:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Items Wanted for 550
References: <FFF9A302-4174-11D9-BEC5-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
Message-ID: <41AAA399.90609@comcast.net>

I need a carry strap too.  I just bought a 250 and 
a power supply for $19.99.  I am collecting 
everything in that series including the 350, the 
ADS powered speakers, the big ADS power supply, 
carrying cases, etc.

Keep up the hunt!

Brian

Durham wrote:
> A "550" search of my inbox brought up this past post of yours, Kermit:
> 
>>
>> For my Nakamich 550, I'm seeking a replacement:
>>
>> 1) Carry Strap
>> 2) "AC Pack"
>>
>> Failing that, does anyone know how to wire a new 12VDC adapter to the AC
>> adapter jack on the 550?
>>
>> Any help is appreciated!
>>
> 
> Is your search for an AC/DC converter interface still on? I might be 
> able to help, even though I don't have one either, because I do have the 
> plug; in fact, I have two of them.
> 
> When I bought my 550, the seller in England quoted low at first on the 
> shipping cost. After I'd won the auction, he discovered that the cost 
> would be about double what he'd originally quoted. We agreed that he 
> would ship the deck minus the 220V AC/DC converter and keep the total 
> cost at what we'd agreed. He kindly cut the plug from the adapter and 
> included it.
> 
> This means that I have that plug along with an identical one, which is 
> on the tapedeck-end of the car-battery power cord that came along as well.
> 
> I haven't gotten around to locating a suitable converter, but as I 
> recall, many AC/DC converters have a "cigarette-lighter" receptacle for 
> the DC appliance. If we found a 550-friendly couple of those converters, 
> I could simply plug into it with my car-battery cord and you could have 
> the other plug and wire to attach to a "cigarette lighter" plug and we 
> might both be set.
> 
> Let me know if you're still looking and if you have any other ideas.
> 
> Best,
> Don
> 
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From terry at allans.org  Mon Nov 29 11:24:42 2004
From: terry at allans.org (Terry Allan)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:24:42 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] perspex front RX-505E
Message-ID: <E22898FB-41F0-11D9-BD31-0003933EDD52@allans.org>

Thanks to those of you who supplied the name and address of the UK 
service facility for Naks.  I was hoping to be able to buy a perspex 
front for the cassette
loading bay on my RX-505E.  Unfortunately I am told that they are no 
longer available.  If anyone hears of one which is no longer required 
will you please contact me (terry at allans.org).  I am happy to pay a 
reasonable sum for one in good condition.  Meanwhile I will keep an eye 
on eBay.

Terry



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Nov 29 15:42:39 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:42:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BIG List of blank cassettes for your Nak.
In-Reply-To: <1101464619.41a7042b0afd3@webmail.dds.nl>
References: <000501c4d397$688cd900$27a34e51@oemcomputer>
	<1101464619.41a7042b0afd3@webmail.dds.nl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129093922.01cb3708@psulias.psu.edu>

I don't have many BASFs, but the ones I do have, have lasted a very long 
time.  I've always been partial to Maxell, have some XLII that are 20+ 
years old, and abused when I was a kid (hot cars and cheap boom boxes) and 
most of them sound fine.  UDS (low end chrome) don't seem to have done 
quite so well.

Denon tapes also last long time.

At 05:23 AM 11/26/2004, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I still owe the first tapes I made 24 years ago on my Nak 550 and the best
>tapes were the ChromDioxid tapes from BASF. Still sound like yesterday 
>recorded.
>The other brands (AGFA, PHILIPS) were not that good.
>The ChromDioxid II special tapes from BASF, a few years younger, but still 
>over
>20 ;-) were from a lesser quality, just like the first TDK-SA's and ED's.
>
>(recorded from Thorens TD166 (Stanton 681 EEE) and Quad FM3 - broadcasts)
>
>BTW. They do sound still perfect on an CR7e!
>
>regards,
>
>bart
>
>
> > Then, there is also the issue of longevity.  M<ost of my old cassettes are
> > TDK SA, with only a few exceptions, so I am not in a position to judge but
> > some of our members who have, for example, TDK SA and Maxell XLII or XLIIS
> > find the Maxell recordings retain their freshness much longer than the 
> TDKs.
>
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Nov 29 15:46:02 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:46:02 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Memorex Tape
In-Reply-To: <s1a788af.086@mroute.sunint.co.za>
References: <s1a788af.086@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129094406.019f4e70@psulias.psu.edu>

I picked up a box of about 50 once used UCX-S a couple months ago ($5!), 
and have been very pleased with them.  I'd say between the Maxell XLII and 
XLIIs.  The XLIIs shell was markedly better than the UCX-S.

>(QX and ZX are simply copies of Sony giant killers from their '88 ES 
>range, the UCX-S and Metal-ES respectively); the better Goldstars were 
>good too.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Nov 29 15:58:09 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:58:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care & Archiving 78s
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4d4c9$bb037ee0$feda883e@oemcomputer>
References: <41A7E76D.2070206@woods-and-waters.com>
	<000e01c4d4c9$bb037ee0$feda883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129094717.01cfe6b0@psulias.psu.edu>

This is one reason I've gone back to tape for recording records.  I find 
pop and click removal done by the computer leaves a lot of ugly digital 
noise, as does even the tiniest bit of saturation (recording over 0 
db).  I've also had a very high failure rate of CD-Rs, particularly ones 
done on cheap crap CD-Rs I've got in trades, and on my CD Audio recorder 
(which did make outstanding recordings).  I've come to the conclusion that 
digital duplication is A. irritating and B. not any better than tape C. far 
less reliable than tape D. overrun with crap media.  The only CD-Rs you can 
buy retail seem to be the analog equivalent of those blank white shell Type 
I cassettes that were .29 a piece in bulk.  Also irritating that no cases 
are included anymore.

On the other hand, few people under 30 seem to give a crap about good audio 
reproduction.  "Lifestyle" systems, computer systems and MP3 players seem 
to be all the quality anyone wants.



>What did you use, if anything, as a click and pop buster when you were
>archiving the 78s?  Anything in the analogue domain or did you resort to
>digital processing?  (Not sure I like the outcome with digital filters of
>this kind - s eems to me that while they are excellent at removing the
>clicks and pops, some of the tonal colour of the music is lost in the
>process.)
>
>Graham



From whgl at iland.net  Mon Nov 29 19:49:54 2004
From: whgl at iland.net (Durham)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:49:54 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's Own EZ AC/DC
In-Reply-To: <200411291100.iATB0OHP032154@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200411291100.iATB0OHP032154@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <752BEB41-4237-11D9-8A99-003065C23AC8@iland.net>

Yes, please! I'd love details. Thank you.

On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

>
> I successfully reverse engineered the AC/DC adapter and sourced parts
> from Mouser Electronics to make myself a new one as good or better than
> the original. Details upon request
>



From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Mon Nov 29 19:42:29 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:42:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Items Wanted for 550
In-Reply-To: <41AAA399.90609@comcast.net>
References: <FFF9A302-4174-11D9-BEC5-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
	<41AAA399.90609@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <41AB6D95.3030107@woods-and-waters.com>

Hi Brian,

Not to worry ... I've designed a metal bracket system that adapts ANY 
good quality camera strap  for use on the Nakamichi 250, 350 or 550. I 
could make you a set of the metal bracket system if you want.

Naka-Joy!

Brian Stocker wrote:
> I need a carry strap too.  I just bought a 250 and a power supply for 
> $19.99.  I am collecting everything in that series including the 350, 
> the ADS powered speakers, the big ADS power supply, carrying cases, etc.
> 
> Keep up the hunt!
> 
> Brian
> 
> Durham wrote:
> 
>> A "550" search of my inbox brought up this past post of yours, Kermit:
>>
>>>
>>> For my Nakamich 550, I'm seeking a replacement:
>>>
>>> 1) Carry Strap
>>> 2) "AC Pack"
>>>
>>> Failing that, does anyone know how to wire a new 12VDC adapter to the AC
>>> adapter jack on the 550?
>>>
>>> Any help is appreciated!
>>>
>>
>> Is your search for an AC/DC converter interface still on? I might be 
>> able to help, even though I don't have one either, because I do have 
>> the plug; in fact, I have two of them.
>>
>> When I bought my 550, the seller in England quoted low at first on the 
>> shipping cost. After I'd won the auction, he discovered that the cost 
>> would be about double what he'd originally quoted. We agreed that he 
>> would ship the deck minus the 220V AC/DC converter and keep the total 
>> cost at what we'd agreed. He kindly cut the plug from the adapter and 
>> included it.
>>
>> This means that I have that plug along with an identical one, which is 
>> on the tapedeck-end of the car-battery power cord that came along as well.
>>
>> I haven't gotten around to locating a suitable converter, but as I 
>> recall, many AC/DC converters have a "cigarette-lighter" receptacle 
>> for the DC appliance. If we found a 550-friendly couple of those 
>> converters, I could simply plug into it with my car-battery cord and 
>> you could have the other plug and wire to attach to a "cigarette 
>> lighter" plug and we might both be set.
>>
>> Let me know if you're still looking and if you have any other ideas.
>>
>> Best,
>> Don
>>
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Mon Nov 29 19:48:05 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:48:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care & Archiving 78s
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129094717.01cfe6b0@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <41A7E76D.2070206@woods-and-waters.com>	<000e01c4d4c9$bb037ee0$feda883e@oemcomputer>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041129094717.01cfe6b0@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <41AB6EE5.1090703@woods-and-waters.com>

I'm the same way. My Nakamichi 550 is my favorite recorder for live 
work. I once had an expensive HHB R-DAT and truly disliked it -- I went 
back to my trusty Nak. Then I was fast-talked into buying a Nagra D, 
also truly disliked it and went back to using my Nak 550 for nonsync 
recordings and my Uher 1000 Report pilot for sync recordings. Sometimes 
newer isn't always better!

I wish Nakamichi had made a portable cassette with pilot tone sync 
capability! The Uher is a pain, although it sounds warmer and cleaner 
than the Nagra III or Nagra IV.

Derrick Beckner wrote:
> This is one reason I've gone back to tape for recording records.  I find 
> pop and click removal done by the computer leaves a lot of ugly digital 
> noise, as does even the tiniest bit of saturation (recording over 0 
> db).  I've also had a very high failure rate of CD-Rs, particularly ones 
> done on cheap crap CD-Rs I've got in trades, and on my CD Audio recorder 
> (which did make outstanding recordings).  I've come to the conclusion 
> that digital duplication is A. irritating and B. not any better than 
> tape C. far less reliable than tape D. overrun with crap media.  The 
> only CD-Rs you can buy retail seem to be the analog equivalent of those 
> blank white shell Type I cassettes that were .29 a piece in bulk.  Also 
> irritating that no cases are included anymore.
> 
> On the other hand, few people under 30 seem to give a crap about good 
> audio reproduction.  "Lifestyle" systems, computer systems and MP3 
> players seem to be all the quality anyone wants.
> 
> 
> 
>> What did you use, if anything, as a click and pop buster when you were
>> archiving the 78s?  Anything in the analogue domain or did you resort to
>> digital processing?  (Not sure I like the outcome with digital filters of
>> this kind - s eems to me that while they are excellent at removing the
>> clicks and pops, some of the tonal colour of the music is lost in the
>> process.)
>>
>> Graham
> 
> 
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16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
http://www.woods-and-waters.com



From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Mon Nov 29 19:55:33 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:55:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's Own EZ AC/DC
In-Reply-To: <752BEB41-4237-11D9-8A99-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
References: <200411291100.iATB0OHP032154@zebra.naks.com>
	<752BEB41-4237-11D9-8A99-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
Message-ID: <41AB70A5.3000700@woods-and-waters.com>

To not eat up list space, give me a few days to put up a web page 
detailing how to make your own AC/DC adapter for any Nakamichi 250, 350 
or 550 using easily-obtained parts from Mouser Electronics, Digikey, or 
Jameco. [I'm currently hustling to meet a work deadline, so after I'm 
free of that I'll get the web page info up. (Patience will be well 
rewarded!)] My hope is that this age will help countless Nakamichi 
owners now and in the future.

Soldering skills are required; if you can't solder I'll be happy to make 
you -- or any Nakatalk list member -- an AXC/DC adapte.

By the way, I have a spare Nak-compatible AC/DC adapter I made for 
myself (I'm legendary for having spares of almost everything), so if you 
don't want to wait for the web info, I can send it to you. I don't 
really need it and can make another one for myself easily.

N-Joy!

Durham wrote:
> Yes, please! I'd love details. Thank you.
> 
> On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
> 
>>
>> I successfully reverse engineered the AC/DC adapter and sourced parts
>> from Mouser Electronics to make myself a new one as good or better than
>> the original. Details upon request
>>
> 
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> 

-- 
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Woods & Waters
16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
http://www.woods-and-waters.com



From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Nov 30 03:40:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:40:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care & Archiving 78s
References: <41A7E76D.2070206@woods-and-waters.com>	<000e01c4d4c9$bb037ee0$feda883e@oemcomputer><6.1.2.0.0.20041129094717.01cfe6b0@psulias.psu.edu>
	<41AB6EE5.1090703@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <001801c4d685$f03b9e90$6f773242@CopyTech>

Wow ! , K, not even the Nagra pleased you ! At least I found another person 
who think the same as me. I thought I was "deaf". Apart from dialogue and 
sound effects I don't think the Nagra's are good for anything else.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette care & Archiving 78s


> I'm the same way. My Nakamichi 550 is my favorite recorder for live work. 
> I once had an expensive HHB R-DAT and truly disliked it -- I went back to 
> my trusty Nak. Then I was fast-talked into buying a Nagra D, also truly 
> disliked it and went back to using my Nak 550 for nonsync recordings and 
> my Uher 1000 Report pilot for sync recordings. Sometimes newer isn't 
> always better!
>
> I wish Nakamichi had made a portable cassette with pilot tone sync 
> capability! The Uher is a pain, although it sounds warmer and cleaner than 
> the Nagra III or Nagra IV.
>
> Derrick Beckner wrote:
>> This is one reason I've gone back to tape for recording records.  I find 
>> pop and click removal done by the computer leaves a lot of ugly digital 
>> noise, as does even the tiniest bit of saturation (recording over 0 db). 
>> I've also had a very high failure rate of CD-Rs, particularly ones done 
>> on cheap crap CD-Rs I've got in trades, and on my CD Audio recorder 
>> (which did make outstanding recordings).  I've come to the conclusion 
>> that digital duplication is A. irritating and B. not any better than tape 
>> C. far less reliable than tape D. overrun with crap media.  The only 
>> CD-Rs you can buy retail seem to be the analog equivalent of those blank 
>> white shell Type I cassettes that were .29 a piece in bulk.  Also 
>> irritating that no cases are included anymore.
>>
>> On the other hand, few people under 30 seem to give a crap about good 
>> audio reproduction.  "Lifestyle" systems, computer systems and MP3 
>> players seem to be all the quality anyone wants.
>>
>>
>>
>>> What did you use, if anything, as a click and pop buster when you were
>>> archiving the 78s?  Anything in the analogue domain or did you resort to
>>> digital processing?  (Not sure I like the outcome with digital filters 
>>> of
>>> this kind - s eems to me that while they are excellent at removing the
>>> clicks and pops, some of the tonal colour of the music is lost in the
>>> process.)
>>>
>>> Graham
>>
>>
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Kermit Gray
> Woods & Waters
> 16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
> 816-918-5058 cellphone
> 913-422-0957 business
> http://www.woods-and-waters.com
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> 


From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Nov 30 07:45:33 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:45:33 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] Memorex Tape
Message-ID: <s1ac3352.025@mroute.sunint.co.za>



That's a wonderful deal for low-use tapes of real quality.  You are correct on the shell - although reliable and rigid, it does not have the resonance absorbency or heat resistence of a Maxell XLII-S post 1992+-.  Prior to that, when the UCX-S was sold, they were pretty similar offerings .  The XLII-S always had a higher sensitivity in the higher frequencies, which I also preferred.  Nonetheless, the UCX-S has a very high retentivity and is more even handed across the band - more like a SA-X.  The Sonys were (thinking specifically of the UCX and UCX-S) were tough, from a recording/re-recording and play cycle point of view.

Cheers,

Marc


>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 11/29/04 04:46PM >>>
I picked up a box of about 50 once used UCX-S a couple months ago ($5!), 
and have been very pleased with them.  I'd say between the Maxell XLII and 
XLIIs.  The XLIIs shell was markedly better than the UCX-S.

>(QX and ZX are simply copies of Sony giant killers from their '88 ES 
>range, the UCX-S and Metal-ES respectively); the better Goldstars were 
>good too.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Nov 30 08:10:12 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:10:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving 78s and copy reliability
Message-ID: <s1ac38fe.035@mroute.sunint.co.za>


I agree whole-heartedly - hilarious post to boot!!  The digital revolution will eat itself - they are falling over themselves to compete for the posterior end of the price market.  It has been said that certain CD-R media is very good if you can get hold of it - the original Taiyo Yuden, Kodak and Mitsui.

I usually buy CD-Rs that come in their own full size jewel cases because I think they are possibly better quality!!  I try to stick with brand names like Sony and Memorex.  I kid myself!!

However, the credibility gap between how long CD media should last (according to manufacturers, various websites etc) and how long it actually does last from a brutally honest anecdotal experience of real world users is so far apart as to not warrant a conversation at all!!

Also, the difference between audio standard CD recorders and coputer based burners shouldn't exist.  Without belabouring it, I agree with you again, real red-book CD recorders with error correction and all other electronic functionality being harware based etc etc  - they are better every time.  That's why they cost more - it's not just a matter of mass production and economies of scale as I used to think.

Long live tape

Marc



>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 11/29/04 04:58PM >>>
This is one reason I've gone back to tape for recording records.  I find 
pop and click removal done by the computer leaves a lot of ugly digital 
noise, as does even the tiniest bit of saturation (recording over 0 
db).  I've also had a very high failure rate of CD-Rs, particularly ones 
done on cheap crap CD-Rs I've got in trades, and on my CD Audio recorder 
(which did make outstanding recordings).  I've come to the conclusion that 
digital duplication is A. irritating and B. not any better than tape C. far 
less reliable than tape D. overrun with crap media.  The only CD-Rs you can 
buy retail seem to be the analog equivalent of those blank white shell Type 
I cassettes that were .29 a piece in bulk.  Also irritating that no cases 
are included anymore.

On the other hand, few people under 30 seem to give a crap about good audio 
reproduction.  "Lifestyle" systems, computer systems and MP3 players seem 
to be all the quality anyone wants.



>What did you use, if anything, as a click and pop buster when you were
>archiving the 78s?  Anything in the analogue domain or did you resort to
>digital processing?  (Not sure I like the outcome with digital filters of
>this kind - s eems to me that while they are excellent at removing the
>clicks and pops, some of the tonal colour of the music is lost in the
>process.)
>
>Graham

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From kemppie at studenten.net  Mon Nov 29 23:03:54 2004
From: kemppie at studenten.net (kemppie)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:03:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakkers meet in Holland
Message-ID: <001301c4d65f$51925c00$9600000a@lan>

Hey,

Nakkers meet one another in the USA, how many nakkers are there in Holland and is there a meeting point somewhere.

Laurens
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From jmtooley at verizon.net  Mon Nov 29 23:28:44 2004
From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John Tooley)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:28:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] cassette care & Archiving 78s
References: <41A7E76D.2070206@woods-and-waters.com>	<000e01c4d4c9$bb037ee0$feda883e@oemcomputer><6.1.2.0.0.20041129094717.01cfe6b0@psulias.psu.edu>
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Message-ID: <001101c4d662$ca06f850$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl>

Is the HHB R-DAT for sale?

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette care & Archiving 78s


> I'm the same way. My Nakamichi 550 is my favorite recorder for live work. 
> I once had an expensive HHB R-DAT and truly disliked it -- I went back to 
> my trusty Nak. Then I was fast-talked into buying a Nagra D, also truly 
> disliked it and went back to using my Nak 550 for nonsync recordings and 
> my Uher 1000 Report pilot for sync recordings. Sometimes newer isn't 
> always better!
>
> I wish Nakamichi had made a portable cassette with pilot tone sync 
> capability! The Uher is a pain, although it sounds warmer and cleaner than 
> the Nagra III or Nagra IV.
>
> Derrick Beckner wrote:
>> This is one reason I've gone back to tape for recording records.  I find 
>> pop and click removal done by the computer leaves a lot of ugly digital 
>> noise, as does even the tiniest bit of saturation (recording over 0 db). 
>> I've also had a very high failure rate of CD-Rs, particularly ones done 
>> on cheap crap CD-Rs I've got in trades, and on my CD Audio recorder 
>> (which did make outstanding recordings).  I've come to the conclusion 
>> that digital duplication is A. irritating and B. not any better than tape 
>> C. far less reliable than tape D. overrun with crap media.  The only 
>> CD-Rs you can buy retail seem to be the analog equivalent of those blank 
>> white shell Type I cassettes that were .29 a piece in bulk.  Also 
>> irritating that no cases are included anymore.
>>
>> On the other hand, few people under 30 seem to give a crap about good 
>> audio reproduction.  "Lifestyle" systems, computer systems and MP3 
>> players seem to be all the quality anyone wants.
>>
>>
>>
>>> What did you use, if anything, as a click and pop buster when you were
>>> archiving the 78s?  Anything in the analogue domain or did you resort to
>>> digital processing?  (Not sure I like the outcome with digital filters 
>>> of
>>> this kind - s eems to me that while they are excellent at removing the
>>> clicks and pops, some of the tonal colour of the music is lost in the
>>> process.)
>>>
>>> Graham
>>
>>
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Kermit Gray
> Woods & Waters
> 16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
> 816-918-5058 cellphone
> 913-422-0957 business
> http://www.woods-and-waters.com
>
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From ABIZARRA at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 23:57:03 2004
From: ABIZARRA at aol.com (ABIZARRA at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:57:03 EST
Subject: [naktalk] New to Nak 
Message-ID: <8.5c9d90ae.2edd033f@aol.com>

I'm new to NAKTALK and I'd be glad to share my experiences on these  
wonderful toys. I hope this will be a good start for me to exchange  information which 
might be of interest to NAK fans.  I own  and do the basic adjustments and 
servicing of the following machines including  my opinions on each one of them: 
 
1. Dragon - excellent playback, good overall quality; it's the  flag ship 
cassette unit in my system. I'm planning on launching an "orange cap"  project 
soon, so any feedback from members with DYI experience would  be appreciated.
2. 580M, 582 - excellent mechanical built, good playback  quality.  Lately on 
the 582, after having warmed up and playing for  about 30 minutes,I notice a 
crackling noise on the left channel when placed on  "monitor" position and a 
popping noise when switched between "monitor" and  "source". I wonder if 
anybody had experienced the same problem and  have come up with a fix.   
3. 681ZX - good overall R/P quality, although in my opinion  the RH azimuth 
auto adjust is unnecessary; it's my road machine due to  the excellent build 
quility and rack mounting brackets.  Has anybody  thought of optimizing the RH 
azimuth and killing the auto  adjust feature?  It's a crazy idea but I',m 
thinking of making the  auto azimuth module a spare for the Dragon NAAC since they 
look  similar. 
4. Tascam 122 MK III - Superb recording, excellent build quality. 
5. Tascam DA-88 - Multi track digital recorder which I use  mainly for live 
recordings.
5. Teac XR-7 - Dual capstan reel to reel with ingenious belt drive  shift 
mechanism that maintains take up and supply speed differential on forward  and 
reverse.  
 
Thanks,
 
Gus B.
 
 
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From jazzao at primus.com.au  Tue Nov 30 01:04:39 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:04:39 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Any Advise for frustrated Nak owner?
Message-ID: <41ABB917.8090507@primus.com.au>

Hello everyone,

I have never owned a Nak until earlier this year when my Denon deck 
died.  I bought a 700ZXE from ebay and shipped it to Stephen Sank for 
modification.  I am from Sydney Australia and was going to pick it up 
fom him when I was in the US in July.

I paid Stephen the amount that he required to do the mods and since 
March I did not hear from him.  I rang him prior to my departure for the 
US and he told me that he had been sick and have not been able to finish 
the work.  I agreed that he can ship it to me when it is finished.

I have since tried to send him emails and phone calls.  I got him twice 
on the phone and both times he promised to contact me after 3 weeks and 
it should be finished.  I have sent him emails to know the shipping 
costs and tried ringing him to know the status but to no avail.

I am really frustrated because I don't even know whether he is around or 
intend to finish the work and send the unit to me.  I will be around 
$1000USD out of pocket from this debacle if I don't see the unit ever again.

Have anyone had this experience with him as I trusted the good 
recommendation by members here to send the unit directly to him?   Would 
you be able to advise if there is anything I can do in my situation.  I 
really need a deck and don't want to buy another until I actually know 
I'll never get the unit back.

Thanks for any assistance.
Regards
Alan



From jarhead1951 at charter.net  Tue Nov 30 01:36:01 2004
From: jarhead1951 at charter.net (Miles)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:36:01 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] A Recording Question 
Message-ID: <000501c4d674$92384c50$6400a8c0@Hal3>

I'm a new and pleased Nak owner (CR-3a) and have questions about recording
to my Nak from another (non-Nak in my case) cassette deck using a commercial
music tape as source. Specifically, should the source deck NR be on or off?
Should the Nak NR be on or off? Must the type of NR on the source tape be
used or can it be changed, say from B to C or omitted altogether? What is
the advantage of dolby B v.s. C? Sorry for so many questions. Also nice to
know there is a Nak forum.
 Thanks, Miles Hinton




From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 30 03:27:35 2004
From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:27:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's Own EZ AC/DC
In-Reply-To: <752BEB41-4237-11D9-8A99-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
References: <200411291100.iATB0OHP032154@zebra.naks.com>
	<752BEB41-4237-11D9-8A99-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20041129175919.01cd2df8@pop.mindspring.com>

Howdy all,

I recently ran into a situation where i needed to power an mx-100 3-ch 
mixer and didn't have a nak to plug into. Would the supply directions for 
the 550 apply to an mx-100 also even with a mod or two?( I seem to remember 
reading some where that a 550 supply( which I already have - would not work 
properly for a mx-100) I have the deck to mixer din plug/cable and would 
like to have a supply that would allow me to use the mixer unit whenever it 
is needed.

Also, What are the current options for nak repair here in the us? I am 
familiar with Stephen Sank(has anyone been able to contact him recently), 
ESL, and US Factory Repair are there any other places that folks entrust 
their naks to lately? Please feel free to respond off list if this has been 
covered recently.

Thanks,

Stanley P.

At 01:49 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote:
>Yes, please! I'd love details. Thank you.
>
>On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
>
>>
>>I successfully reverse engineered the AC/DC adapter and sourced parts
>>from Mouser Electronics to make myself a new one as good or better than
>>the original. Details upon request
>
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From mmiller at whitelead.com  Tue Nov 30 08:21:04 2004
From: mmiller at whitelead.com (Mark Takamichi Miller)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:21:04 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts
Message-ID: <000b01c4d6ad$2741da90$0201a8c0@compaq>

Does anyone know where to find parts for a dragon.

 

I need these: 

Bao4941a  Motor control  PCB ass'y

Bao4942a  Motor PCB ass'y

 

A technician that is repairing my deck was unable to get Nakamichi to
respond to inquiries. 

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

Mark Takamichi Miller

1306 E. Union St Apt 4

Seattle, WA 98122

home/fax: 206/324-9071

cell:  206/228-3284

mmiller at whitelead.com

http://whitelead.com

 

 

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From ti at amb.org  Tue Nov 30 10:10:17 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:10:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] A Recording Question
In-Reply-To: <000501c4d674$92384c50$6400a8c0@Hal3> from "Miles" at Nov 29,
	2004 06:36:01 PM
Message-ID: <20041130091017.C1BB2245EA@smtp.amb.org>

Miles writes:
> I'm a new and pleased Nak owner (CR-3a) and have questions about recording
> to my Nak from another (non-Nak in my case) cassette deck using a commercial
> music tape as source. Specifically, should the source deck NR be on or off?
> Should the Nak NR be on or off? Must the type of NR on the source tape be
> used or can it be changed, say from B to C or omitted altogether?

If the original commercial tape is already Dolby encoded, then this is
what I would do (I assume that the decks are all in good calibration):

1. On your Nak, record a 400Hz test signal on a blank cassette and adjust
   the level so that it shows 0dB on the meter.
2. Play this tape on the playback deck, and then set your Nak's tape monitor
   to "source" mode.  Adjust recording level so that the meters once again
   reads 0dB.  Verify that the playback deck's meters also show 0dB
   (in some cases it won't be 0dB, but at a point that's marked as
   "Dolby level").
3. You have now level-matched the two decks.  Play your pre-recorded
   cassette on the playback deck without Dolby, and record on the Nak
   without Dolby.  Since the original signal is Dolby encoded, it will
   remain Dolby encoded on the recorded tape.
4. When you play the dubbed tape, turn on Dolby.

This method removes unnecessary decoding and re-encoding steps and IMHO
results in the best performance.  Of course this also means that the
dubbed tape is encoded to the same type of Dolby noise reduction (B, C)
as the original tape.

If you want to change the Dolby encoding to a different type, then you
must enable the appropriate Dolby settings on both decks.

> What is
> the advantage of dolby B v.s. C? Sorry for so many questions. Also nice to
> know there is a Nak forum.

Dolby C provides approximately 10dB more noise reduction in the high
frequencies than Dolby B.  Also, Dolby C's dynamic frequency response 
curve is such that it actually improves the high-frequency headroom
a bit.  Dolby B is more prevalent than Dolby C, especially in car stereos
and boomboxes.  Since you must play in the same Dolby mode as it was
recorded, recording with Dolby B will allow your tapes to be more compatible.

If you're recording from a high-quality source (good analog LP or CD),
you might even choose to use no Dolby altogether.  Nak decks have very
good S/N ratios, and allow a fairly "hot" recording level without overload,
so tape hiss noise may not be an issue unless the music contains very
quiet passages.  Without Dolby's extra processing the sound is more
natural.

-Ti
-- 
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http://www.amb.org/ti
Vorsprung durch Technik



From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl  Tue Nov 30 10:43:20 2004
From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Berserik, J.E.)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:43:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakkers meet in Holland
References: <001301c4d65f$51925c00$9600000a@lan>
Message-ID: <004801c4d6c1$07729b00$0200a8c0@lan>

Hi, Laurens,
I am , living in Lelystad, 4m below sea-level in the former Zuiderzee.
Owing a 582 (+workshopmanual, with defective 12V 25mA (button-lamps) , and a 680ZX (since a week).
Greetings,
Johan
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kemppie 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:03 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nakkers meet in Holland


  Hey,

  Nakkers meet one another in the USA, how many nakkers are there in Holland and is there a meeting point somewhere.

  Laurens


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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Nov 30 19:23:55 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:23:55 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts
References: <000b01c4d6ad$2741da90$0201a8c0@compaq>
Message-ID: <005201c4d709$c158b430$3a773242@CopyTech>

Try ES Labs.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Takamichi Miller 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:21 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts


  Does anyone know where to find parts for a dragon.



  I need these: 

  Bao4941a  Motor control  PCB ass'y

  Bao4942a  Motor PCB ass'y



  A technician that is repairing my deck was unable to get Nakamichi to respond to inquiries. 



  Thanks!









  Mark Takamichi Miller

  1306 E. Union St Apt 4

  Seattle, WA 98122

  home/fax: 206/324-9071

  cell:  206/228-3284

  mmiller at whitelead.com

  http://whitelead.com







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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Nov 30 14:14:15 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:14:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi NR-200 for sale!!!!!
Message-ID: <008001c4d6de$81d39f30$c16123c8@g8nsv>

Hi guys!!!!!

I am selling a Nakamichi Dolby Unit NR-200 in excellent condition.....I bought it a year ago but I really don't have a Nak deck to use it....Asking price US$200 plus shipping....if anybody here is interested please contact me personally at fidelman at telcel.net.ve.

In a couple of days it will be on ebay if nobody here on the list is interested.

Thanks a lot

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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 22:04:50 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:04:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts
In-Reply-To: <005201c4d709$c158b430$3a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20041130210450.47019.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com>

I do not see a need for these parts in Dragon - I think the technician might not have understood the problem. If he or Miller could send me the fault on your Dragon - I can suggest a way to avoid replacement - I suspect the PCB may need replacement of two Opamps to get back to working condition.- Most probably he can avoid a costly replacement part if at all available
kannan

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To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:21 PM
Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts



Does anyone know where to find parts for a dragon.

 

I need these: 

Bao4941a  Motor control  PCB ass�y

Bao4942a  Motor PCB ass�y

 

A technician that is repairing my deck was unable to get Nakamichi to respond to inquiries. 

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

Mark Takamichi Miller

1306 E. Union St Apt 4

Seattle, WA 98122

home/fax: 206/324-9071

cell:  206/228-3284

mmiller at whitelead.com

http://whitelead.com

 

 



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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Nov 30 15:22:17 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:22:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving 78s and copy reliability
In-Reply-To: <s1ac38fe.036@mroute.sunint.co.za>
References: <s1ac38fe.036@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041130085955.019701d0@psulias.psu.edu>

Kodak Gold CDs were the best I ever used, of course they don't make them 
anymore.  Never had any problems with those going bad.  MFSL evidently 
makes CD-Rs now for $2 a pop.

High Speed recording on CD-R, while theoretically cloning of the disk, 
simply isn't.  Burns aren't as through, errors occur (little digital pops 
and hiccups) and sometimes it just doesn't work period.  Burning at 1x I 
rarely have encountered any problems, but at real time it's easier to just 
pop a tape in the old deck and enjoy the music while I'm recording.

My Philips CDR 760 (I think that;s the model) made very nice recordings 
either digital or analog (where it was 90db S/N and 98db DR) but media 
attrition was very high.  Any little screw up (like a LP skip, or a missed 
track break) cost a few bucks and now CD-R Music media is very hard to 
find, and the crap disks I can get (Memorex) don't work well with this 
recorder for some reason.  I think it has problems with 80 minute CDRs, 
which are of course the only kinds you can get now.  Any how, I'll not be 
running out of blank tapes anytime soon it's a moot point.

I've also been having a fairly new problem with my Philips 963SA SACD/DVD 
player.  Occasionally I'll pop in a disk and it sounds like it has the 
worst LP surface noise you can imagine.  Very high frequency egg frying 
sound.  One was on a Memorex CDR Music (crap) but another was on a very 
abused prerecorded CD from the library.  Who knows where that is coming from.

On the other hand, this player (963SA) was really a fabulous deal.  It 
really kicks ass on Redbook CDs (far better than my NAD 541 HDCD player) 
and is a very nice DVD player.  SACD is a great format now that it's hit 
real world prices.  For some reason Philips discontinued the player and 
didn't introduce anything to replace it.  Real shame.  Digital certainly 
has it's advantages, but easy, high quality recording doesn't seem to be 
one of them.

At 02:10 AM 11/30/2004, you wrote:

>I agree whole-heartedly - hilarious post to boot!!  The digital revolution 
>will eat itself - they are falling over themselves to compete for the 
>posterior end of the price market.  It has been said that certain CD-R 
>media is very good if you can get hold of it - the original Taiyo Yuden, 
>Kodak and Mitsui.
>
>I usually buy CD-Rs that come in their own full size jewel cases because I 
>think they are possibly better quality!!  I try to stick with brand names 
>like Sony and Memorex.  I kid myself!!
>
>However, the credibility gap between how long CD media should last 
>(according to manufacturers, various websites etc) and how long it 
>actually does last from a brutally honest anecdotal experience of real 
>world users is so far apart as to not warrant a conversation at all!!
>
>Also, the difference between audio standard CD recorders and coputer based 
>burners shouldn't exist.  Without belabouring it, I agree with you again, 
>real red-book CD recorders with error correction and all other electronic 
>functionality being harware based etc etc  - they are better every 
>time.  That's why they cost more - it's not just a matter of mass 
>production and economies of scale as I used to think.
>
>Long live tape
>
>Marc



From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Tue Nov 30 20:46:23 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:46:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Kermit's Own EZ AC/DC
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20041129175919.01cd2df8@pop.mindspring.com>
References: <200411291100.iATB0OHP032154@zebra.naks.com>	<752BEB41-4237-11D9-8A99-003065C23AC8@iland.net>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20041129175919.01cd2df8@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <41ACCE0F.6090407@woods-and-waters.com>

Hi Stanley!

I admit I'm not familiar with the MX-100. I have a 610. I'll try to find 
a service manual for it; failing that, I'd have to see a real live 
MX-100. Nakamichi circuit boards are easy to reverse engineer. Either 
way, I'll be able to come up with an AC adapter design for it, the only 
question is how long and how hard.

I myself wouldn't send anything to Stephen Sank. Eleven months ago I 
emailed him asking if he would do his "RCA 77 ribbon mod" to one of my 
Reslo ribbon mics, and never received a reply. Ditto for the five phone 
calls I made to him -- always got an answering machine but never a call 
back. The lack of response concerned me, so I ended buying a replacement 
RCA 77 ribbon from Wes Dooley and doing the mod myself.

N-Joy!

Stanley P. Pickens wrote:
> Howdy all,
> 
> I recently ran into a situation where i needed to power an mx-100 3-ch 
> mixer and didn't have a nak to plug into. Would the supply directions 
> for the 550 apply to an mx-100 also even with a mod or two?( I seem to 
> remember reading some where that a 550 supply( which I already have - 
> would not work properly for a mx-100) I have the deck to mixer din 
> plug/cable and would like to have a supply that would allow me to use 
> the mixer unit whenever it is needed.
> 
> Also, What are the current options for nak repair here in the us? I am 
> familiar with Stephen Sank(has anyone been able to contact him 
> recently), ESL, and US Factory Repair are there any other places that 
> folks entrust their naks to lately? Please feel free to respond off list 
> if this has been covered recently.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stanley P.
> 
> At 01:49 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote:
> 
>> Yes, please! I'd love details. Thank you.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I successfully reverse engineered the AC/DC adapter and sourced parts
>>> from Mouser Electronics to make myself a new one as good or better than
>>> the original. Details upon request
>>
>>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Dec  1 01:59:24 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:59:24 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen S
In-Reply-To: <41ACCE0F.6090407@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <002501c4d741$0029c500$98e24c51@oemcomputer>

Sounds like Stephen's "off-line" again.  Anyone live near him that could
check to see he's okay?  He used to be a regular and valuable contributor
but went very quiet.  And many folk seem to have more recently experience
problems in contacting him or getting a reasonable turn around on service.
He was never ultra fast because he works mostly on his own but he'd always
been generous with his time, advice and money - once sent me a serviced BX-1
as a present, all the way to the UK!   That was at a time I couldn't afford
a Nak of any kind.   So, the problems some of us seem to have experienced
more recently appear most out of character.

If you're reading this, Stephen ... come back!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray
> Sent: 30 November 2004 19:46
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Kermit's Own EZ AC/DC
>
>
> Hi Stanley!
>
> I admit I'm not familiar with the MX-100. I have a 610. I'll try to find
> a service manual for it; failing that, I'd have to see a real live
> MX-100. Nakamichi circuit boards are easy to reverse engineer. Either
> way, I'll be able to come up with an AC adapter design for it, the only
> question is how long and how hard.
>
> I myself wouldn't send anything to Stephen Sank. Eleven months ago I
> emailed him asking if he would do his "RCA 77 ribbon mod" to one of my
> Reslo ribbon mics, and never received a reply. Ditto for the five phone
> calls I made to him -- always got an answering machine but never a call
> back. The lack of response concerned me, so I ended buying a replacement
> RCA 77 ribbon from Wes Dooley and doing the mod myself.
>
> N-Joy!
>
> Stanley P. Pickens wrote:
> > Howdy all,
> >
> > I recently ran into a situation where i needed to power an mx-100 3-ch
> > mixer and didn't have a nak to plug into. Would the supply directions
> > for the 550 apply to an mx-100 also even with a mod or two?( I seem to
> > remember reading some where that a 550 supply( which I already have -
> > would not work properly for a mx-100) I have the deck to mixer din
> > plug/cable and would like to have a supply that would allow me to use
> > the mixer unit whenever it is needed.
> >
> > Also, What are the current options for nak repair here in the us? I am
> > familiar with Stephen Sank(has anyone been able to contact him
> > recently), ESL, and US Factory Repair are there any other places that
> > folks entrust their naks to lately? Please feel free to respond
> off list
> > if this has been covered recently.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Stanley P.
> >
> > At 01:49 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, please! I'd love details. Thank you.
> >>
> >> On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I successfully reverse engineered the AC/DC adapter and sourced parts
> >>> from Mouser Electronics to make myself a new one as good or
> better than
> >>> the original. Details upon request
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From mmiller at whitelead.com  Wed Dec  1 06:04:11 2004
From: mmiller at whitelead.com (Mark Takamichi Miller)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:04:11 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts
In-Reply-To: <20041130210450.47019.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4d763$32e8aca0$0201a8c0@compaq>

The Dragon will try to play a tape and then stop.  The speed becomes
unsteady.  There is a squealing noise after the stopping.  My technician
does not know how to troubleshoot the motor control PCB without more
technical information than the service manual provides.  ESLabs suggests the
board not be replaced but fixed as the cost of replacement is $375.  I would
send it to ESLabs if I had the money but I am just trying to get this thing
to play the tapes made on it one time to transfer to digital.  I can't
afford another $400 repair on it, (nakamichi in Torrence did an "overhaul"
not long ago).  Does anyone know enough about this board to help my
technician?  Are the Opamps the answer?

 

(And yes my middle name really is Takamichi.  When I have described my
Dragon to friends in the past they thought I was saying I have a "Takamichi
Dragon")

 

Thanks!

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of kannan srinivasaraghavan
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:05 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon parts

 

I do not see a need for these parts in Dragon - I think the technician might
not have understood the problem. If he or Miller could send me the fault on
your Dragon - I can suggest a way to avoid replacement - I suspect the PCB
may need replacement of two Opamps to get back to working condition.- Most
probably he can avoid a costly replacement part if at all available

kannan

El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:

Try ES Labs.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Mark <mailto:mmiller at whitelead.com>  Takamichi Miller 

To: naktalk at naks.com 

Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:21 PM

Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts

 

Does anyone know where to find parts for a dragon.

 

I need these: 

Bao4941a  Motor control  PCB ass'y

Bao4942a  Motor PCB ass'y

 

A technician that is repairing my deck was unable to get Nakamichi to
respond to inquiries. 

 

Thanks!

 

 


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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Dec  1 10:06:25 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:06:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen S
Message-ID: <s1ada5c2.084@mroute.sunint.co.za>

It would be great to hear from him again.  His contributions were
invaluable and anyone who was uncertain about the meaning of "succinct"
had only to read his posts.  Not to mention gain from his huge knowledge
and experience his incisive intellegence.

I don't want to use the term "sorely missed" to convey any peculiar
meaning, but a lot of us are beginning to worry.

Marc

>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 12/01/04 02:59AM >>>
Sounds like Stephen's "off-line" again.  Anyone live near him that
could
check to see he's okay?  He used to be a regular and valuable
contributor
but went very quiet.  And many folk seem to have more recently
experience
problems in contacting him or getting a reasonable turn around on
service.
He was never ultra fast because he works mostly on his own but he'd
always
been generous with his time, advice and money - once sent me a serviced
BX-1
as a present, all the way to the UK!   That was at a time I couldn't
afford
a Nak of any kind.   So, the problems some of us seem to have
experienced
more recently appear most out of character.

If you're reading this, Stephen ... come back!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
> Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray
> Sent: 30 November 2004 19:46
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Kermit's Own EZ AC/DC
>
>
> Hi Stanley!
>
> I admit I'm not familiar with the MX-100. I have a 610. I'll try to
find
> a service manual for it; failing that, I'd have to see a real live
> MX-100. Nakamichi circuit boards are easy to reverse engineer.
Either
> way, I'll be able to come up with an AC adapter design for it, the
only
> question is how long and how hard.
>
> I myself wouldn't send anything to Stephen Sank. Eleven months ago I
> emailed him asking if he would do his "RCA 77 ribbon mod" to one of
my
> Reslo ribbon mics, and never received a reply. Ditto for the five
phone
> calls I made to him -- always got an answering machine but never a
call
> back. The lack of response concerned me, so I ended buying a
replacement
> RCA 77 ribbon from Wes Dooley and doing the mod myself.
>
> N-Joy!
>
> Stanley P. Pickens wrote:
> > Howdy all,
> >
> > I recently ran into a situation where i needed to power an mx-100
3-ch
> > mixer and didn't have a nak to plug into. Would the supply
directions
> > for the 550 apply to an mx-100 also even with a mod or two?( I seem
to
> > remember reading some where that a 550 supply( which I already have
-
> > would not work properly for a mx-100) I have the deck to mixer din
> > plug/cable and would like to have a supply that would allow me to
use
> > the mixer unit whenever it is needed.
> >
> > Also, What are the current options for nak repair here in the us? I
am
> > familiar with Stephen Sank(has anyone been able to contact him
> > recently), ESL, and US Factory Repair are there any other places
that
> > folks entrust their naks to lately? Please feel free to respond
> off list
> > if this has been covered recently.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Stanley P.
> >
> > At 01:49 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, please! I'd love details. Thank you.
> >>
> >> On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I successfully reverse engineered the AC/DC adapter and sourced
parts
> >>> from Mouser Electronics to make myself a new one as good or
> better than
> >>> the original. Details upon request
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 12:51:24 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 03:51:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts
In-Reply-To: <000201c4d763$32e8aca0$0201a8c0@compaq>
Message-ID: <20041201115124.2098.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi you first try to replace the following two opamps -
IC 515 /516 - RC 4558 - with any opamp preferably M5218 or same 4558 itself if you do not get hold of 5218. be careful about the PCB and also resolder the drive transistor pins - sometimes these solder cracks due to heat. You can also use Radio shack lubricating oil - ( teflon in it) on the capstans from the front keeping the dragon face up. With this your problem should stop. Incase after this still you have problem let me know.
kannan
Mark Takamichi Miller <mmiller at whitelead.com> wrote:

The Dragon will try to play a tape and then stop.  The speed becomes unsteady.  There is a squealing noise after the stopping.  My technician does not know how to troubleshoot the motor control PCB without more technical information than the service manual provides.  ESLabs suggests the board not be replaced but fixed as the cost of replacement is $375.  I would send it to ESLabs if I had the money but I am just trying to get this thing to play the tapes made on it one time to transfer to digital.  I can�t afford another $400 repair on it, (nakamichi in Torrence did an �overhaul� not long ago).  Does anyone know enough about this board to help my technician?  Are the Opamps the answer?

 

(And yes my middle name really is Takamichi.  When I have described my Dragon to friends in the past they thought I was saying I have a �Takamichi Dragon�)

 

Thanks!

 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:05 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon parts

 

I do not see a need for these parts in Dragon - I think the technician might not have understood the problem. If he or Miller could send me the fault on your Dragon - I can suggest a way to avoid replacement - I suspect the PCB may need replacement of two Opamps to get back to working condition.- Most probably he can avoid a costly replacement part if at all available


kannan

El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:


Try ES Labs.


----- Original Message ----- 


From: Mark Takamichi Miller 


To: naktalk at naks.com 


Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:21 PM


Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts


 


Does anyone know where to find parts for a dragon.

 

I need these: 

Bao4941a  Motor control  PCB ass�y

Bao4942a  Motor PCB ass�y

 

A technician that is repairing my deck was unable to get Nakamichi to respond to inquiries. 

 

Thanks!

 

 

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed Dec  1 16:42:11 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:42:11 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Optonica 6905 on E-bay
Message-ID: <27986-41ADE653-420@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>

A saved search came up on my e-mails from e-bay-Its the Optonica
6905.Some of you may remember some posts on this awhile back. Its' Item
Number 5735016886. Its the first one i've seen in a few months,so if
youre interested it might be an opportunity to get it.I will have to
pass at this time ,but this is something i might like to play with!

thank you very much,
gerald



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Dec  1 17:01:13 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:01:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Optonica 6905 on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <27986-41ADE653-420@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>
References: <27986-41ADE653-420@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041201110057.01a78e88@psulias.psu.edu>

That's quite a machine.  What does the fourth head do?

At 10:42 AM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>A saved search came up on my e-mails from e-bay-Its the Optonica
>6905.Some of you may remember some posts on this awhile back. Its' Item
>Number 5735016886. Its the first one i've seen in a few months,so if
>youre interested it might be an opportunity to get it.I will have to
>pass at this time ,but this is something i might like to play with!
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec  1 20:28:38 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:28:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naks to go
Message-ID: <41AE1B66.8030205@bellsouth.net>

Greetings Nakophiles,
My new car (truck, actually) most unfortunately does not have
a cassette player in it (just CD). My Dragon is a bit large to be
going into the truck, so am wondering what the portable options
in the Nak dept. are. Is the TD-500 the best one they made?
No room for an automotive one, but would like to hear what
you think the best one is for the car also.
Atlanta Mike





From f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr  Wed Dec  1 21:56:11 2004
From: f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr (F. Dronsart)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:56:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
Message-ID: <000001c4d7e8$3182b290$440024d5@utilisatvnsw8y>

Dear sirs,
 
I'm searching how to adjust the capstan speed of my RX 505.
 
By advance thank you to all.
 
Fabrice
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From whgl at iland.net  Wed Dec  1 21:19:13 2004
From: whgl at iland.net (Durham)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:19:13 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Soldering and AC/DC
In-Reply-To: <200411300849.iAU8niHP003288@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200411300849.iAU8niHP003288@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <44A17848-43D6-11D9-A01C-003065C23AC8@iland.net>



> From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Kermit's Own EZ AC/DC
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <41AB70A5.3000700 at woods-and-waters.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>
> Soldering skills are required; if you can't solder I'll be happy to 
> make
> you -- or any Nakatalk list member -- an AXC/DC adapte.
>
> By the way, I have a spare Nak-compatible AC/DC adapter I made for
> myself (I'm legendary for having spares of almost everything), so if 
> you
> don't want to wait for the web info, I can send it to you. I don't
> really need it and can make another one for myself easily.


Mmm yes, that dipping the hot iron pencil into molten metal. Haven't 
done it since high school—but then, what's a few decades when we're 
talking about life's most basic skills, such as sowing seeds, sipping 
soup, or soldering?

Yes, Kermit, I would be most grateful to borrow your spare adapter 
until you get the plans online, and I certainly appreciate your 
offering it. I'll contact you off forum to discuss details..Hey, you're 
nearby! We're out in Missouri apple country. Perhaps I could trade you 
a bushel of winesaps....(to be continued in your inbox).




From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Dec  1 22:28:56 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:28:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041201110057.01a78e88@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <27986-41ADE653-420@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041201110057.01a78e88@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041201161024.01b336b0@psulias.psu.edu>

Looks like there is no such thing as an outboard Dolby S unit.  Does that 
seem to be the case?
I have a Yamaha KX-690 Dolby S deck which is easier for me to record on 
(location away from the TV and real time counter, auto calibration), and 
actually managed to pick up several Dolby S prerecorded tapes, and would 
like to have the option available for my CR-5 for playback.



From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Dec  2 17:58:58 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:58:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S
References: <27986-41ADE653-420@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041201110057.01a78e88@psulias.psu.edu>
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Message-ID: <003301c4d890$37d85070$25773242@CopyTech>

Nope, no dolby S outboard.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:28 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S


> Looks like there is no such thing as an outboard Dolby S unit.  Does that 
> seem to be the case?
> I have a Yamaha KX-690 Dolby S deck which is easier for me to record on 
> (location away from the TV and real time counter, auto calibration), and 
> actually managed to pick up several Dolby S prerecorded tapes, and would 
> like to have the option available for my CR-5 for playback.
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  2 19:46:35 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:46:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Naks to go
In-Reply-To: <41AE1B66.8030205@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <20041202184635.30574.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com>

The TD-500 is an excellent car deck.  It's single capstan causes some
flutter over choppy pavement.  The TD-700 is better with it's dual
capstans and it gives you one more radio preset, but, the tuner sucks
and I didn't use it much.  The manual azimuth on these decks is a
must have.  
The TD-1200 is really nice.  Excellent tape section and one of the
best tuners.  The slide out tape transport can be a problem.  On one
of my cars the transport would hit the gear shift when fully open. 
Unfortunately all three of these decks are old and are likely to have
problems that need attention.  If you can work on these decks
yourself the TD-500 and TD-700 are really the ones to get.  The
TD-1200 has a lot of parts that can only be gotten from Nak, if, they
can be gotten at all.  One common problem is a clicking while playing
tapes.  This if from a small cracked plastic on gear top of the main
motor.  This gear can only be purchased as an assembly for $80+. 
Another item is the flex cable to the front panel is also a
troublesome component and will easily cost more than a used deck.  I
really love the TD-1200, but, can not recommend it.  

I don't know anything about the decks after this generation.  Except
the TD-300 and TD-400 are to be avoided.  They are mass market decks
that lack the quality of the TD-500/700.

SJ

--- Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Greetings Nakophiles,
> My new car (truck, actually) most unfortunately does not have
> a cassette player in it (just CD). My Dragon is a bit large to be
> going into the truck, so am wondering what the portable options
> in the Nak dept. are. Is the TD-500 the best one they made?
> No room for an automotive one, but would like to hear what
> you think the best one is for the car also.
> Atlanta Mike
> 
> 
> 
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Dec  2 21:49:00 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 07:49:00 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

It's quite simple. You need to obtain a 3KHz test tone tape and use a
frequency counter to accurately adjust the speed. You can make a 3 KHz tape
on another deck that has the speed properly adjusted and record the test
tone onto it. The actual adjustment is made on the capstan motor via a small
hole at the rear of the motor, by using a small screwdriver you can adjust
the speed but turning it clockwise or counter-clockwise. By playing the tape
and hooking up the frequency counter to the output terminals of your deck
you can adjust it until the counter reads 3 KHz.
 
    Well that's about it, if you don't have a frequency counter try and find
someone who has one and borrow it, you won't regret it because this is the
most accurate way of adjusting the speed.
 
    Tom.
-----Original Message-----
From: F. Dronsart [mailto:f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr]
Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 7:56
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed


Dear sirs,
 
I'm searching how to adjust the capstan speed of my RX 505.
 
By advance thank you to all.
 
Fabrice
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Fri Dec  3 11:52:56 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:52:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remote control RM-100 brand new for sale!!!!
Message-ID: <002001c4d926$62a32460$406723c8@g8nsv>

Hi guys!!!!

I am selling a brsand new in it's original box Nakamichi remote RM-100.....If any of you is interested, pleasew contact me at fidelman at telcel.net.ve
Asking price is US$40....
Best regards

Isy
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Dec  3 12:37:24 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:37:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 582ZX
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <003401c4d92c$7566db40$1510a8c0@TG>

Hi Everybody,

I appreciate any help describing the element on the board, driving erase head function on Nakamichi 582ZX

Suddenly erase head started not to  function. When it is in rec. mode, rec head not erasing the tape.

Thanks for this valuable help.
Tayfur
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  3 00:29:55 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:29:55 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RD-460
In-Reply-To: <41AE1B66.8030205@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F10BBF07C75D8F3D8BEE77AD5B00@phx.gbl>


Hi guys,

I recently bought a RD-460 off Ebay under the mistaken impression that it 
uses the same wiring harness as my Mobile Tuner Deck 1. Now that the RD-460 
has arrived, I can see that the removeable wiring harness cage uses a 
different plug/socket to my MTD-1. As it came without the harness, does 
anyone here know what is the various pins/contacts for?

Bleus, do I remember right that you have a RD-460? It also has CD changer 
control function, doesn't it?

Kelvin.




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  3 11:39:32 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:39:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts
In-Reply-To: <20041201115124.2098.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F9B49B7336286BEDA75D54ABB10@phx.gbl>

Dear Kannan!

Thanks for inform us on such "Teflon" oil..I will do it!!!!!

ALEX!




>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: mmiller at whitelead.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] dragon parts
>Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 03:51:24 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hi you first try to replace the following two opamps -
>IC 515 /516 - RC 4558 - with any opamp preferably M5218 or same 4558 itself 
>if you do not get hold of 5218. be careful about the PCB and also resolder 
>the drive transistor pins - sometimes these solder cracks due to heat. You 
>can also use Radio shack lubricating oil - ( teflon in it) on the capstans 
>from the front keeping the dragon face up. With this your problem should 
>stop. Incase after this still you have problem let me know.
>kannan
>Mark Takamichi Miller <mmiller at whitelead.com> wrote:
>
>The Dragon will try to play a tape and then stop.  The speed becomes 
>unsteady.  There is a squealing noise after the stopping.  My technician 
>does not know how to troubleshoot the motor control PCB without more 
>technical information than the service manual provides.  ESLabs suggests 
>the board not be replaced but fixed as the cost of replacement is $375.  I 
>would send it to ESLabs if I had the money but I am just trying to get this 
>thing to play the tapes made on it one time to transfer to digital.  I 
>can�t afford another $400 repair on it, (nakamichi in Torrence did an 
>�overhaul� not long ago).  Does anyone know enough about this board to help 
>my technician?  Are the Opamps the answer?
>
>
>
>(And yes my middle name really is Takamichi.  When I have described my 
>Dragon to friends in the past they thought I was saying I have a �Takamichi 
>Dragon�)
>
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf 
>Of kannan srinivasaraghavan
>Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:05 PM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon parts
>
>
>
>I do not see a need for these parts in Dragon - I think the technician 
>might not have understood the problem. If he or Miller could send me the 
>fault on your Dragon - I can suggest a way to avoid replacement - I suspect 
>the PCB may need replacement of two Opamps to get back to working 
>condition.- Most probably he can avoid a costly replacement part if at all 
>available
>
>
>kannan
>
>El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
>
>
>Try ES Labs.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>
>From: Mark Takamichi Miller
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>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>
>Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:21 PM
>
>
>Subject: [naktalk] dragon parts
>
>
>
>
>
>Does anyone know where to find parts for a dragon.
>
>
>
>I need these:
>
>Bao4941a  Motor control  PCB ass�y
>
>Bao4942a  Motor PCB ass�y
>
>
>
>A technician that is repairing my deck was unable to get Nakamichi to 
>respond to inquiries.
>
>
>
>Thanks!
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Fri Dec  3 07:20:32 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:20:32 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes, fun and Nakamichi.
Message-ID: <41B005B0.80107@woods-and-waters.com>

Dear fellow Naka-denizens,

I have some follow-up questions and comments to several  message 
threads, track of which I’ve lost thanks to persistent email server 
crashes. Obviously, my email server wasn’t made by Nakamichi. Recently, 
I finally got to unpacking from my last move, a task very much akin to 
archaeology, and unearthed my old Nakamichi 550, which I had thought was 
stolen. This, plus the recent 550 I scored on eBay, and my 
just-unearthed 600, has rekindled my passion for all things Nakamichi.

Up front, I must admit I’m familiar only with the models made from 1977 
to 1980, the brief time I sold and served Nakamichi. Reading all of your 
comments about more recent models has been extremely interesting.

Which prompts the natural question, how much better sounding are newer 
models compared to the 500, 550, 600, 700 or 1000? (Allowing, of course, 
for the lack of Dolby C or dbx noise reduction and metal tape capability 
in the older models.)

I’ve always found that 1970s vintage audio equipment is more “fun” to 
listen to, and the 1970s Nakamichi recorders have an intangible quality 
that always makes me want to go out and reocrd something just because 
it’s so fun. If this makes me cRaZy, fine. It’s a good crAzy. My other 
1970s vintage recorders also had that “fun” aspect. The digital gear 
isn’t “fun.” The only digital recorder I ever felt was (almost) “fun” to 
record with was the Soundstream. Oops, isn’t that a 1970s vintage 
machine? (Yes.)

So, then; do the newer Nakamichis have the same “fun,” the same 
infectious quality, that makes you forgo food, beautiful women and 
sleep, grab a microphone instead and record something?

By way of audio trivia, did you know that in its early days many 
engineers considered digital audio a form of noise reduction and saw it 
as a competitor to Dolby A?

BEST TAPE: Someone made a good comment about the tape shell itself being 
an issue. This should have been obvious, but I’m dashed I didn’t think 
of it! Balancing both the tape oxide quality and the shell’s quality, 
which is the best overall NEW manufactured IEC Type II cassette? (My 
focus, as evidenced in my big list of tapes, usually has been on a 
tape’s MOL, signal-to-noise and distortion, in the main because over the 
years I’ve recorded with analog reel-to-reel more than I have with 
cassette.)

Thanks for your comments!

N-Joy!
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 22:08:32 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:08:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 582ZX
In-Reply-To: <003401c4d92c$7566db40$1510a8c0@TG>
Message-ID: <20041203210832.63337.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com>

90% + chance - The Orange caps in Bias oscillator misbehaved as expected!!!  - check the nak server Orange cap article for your remedy!
kannan

Tayfur Gunay <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr> wrote:

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Dec  5 01:10:55 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:10:55 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes, fun and Nakamichi.
Message-ID: <11565-41B2520F-643@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net>

right,some of  the most fun decks are your dragon and rx-505/303, moreso
than an old tri-tracer. Its probably a lot of fun to work the cr-7 and
zx-9.I failed to mention the greatest nak of all the 1000zxl-that would
be great fun to use.Fun also any newer deck, i think, like the cassette
deck 1.I rememer my dvd was fun to play with at first till it became
ordinary.Although i could forego a good deal of sleep over this great
gear,I am not so sure about the beautiful women or food-Its can be a lot
of fun  to hold  in your hands and gently feel the soft curves  and
warm delicate features of  an amply endowed one  (hard to find a good
pizza in my town though).  

thank you very much,
gerald



From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Dec  5 01:47:19 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:47:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
Message-ID: <41B25A97.9090508@xs4all.nl>

Not a Nak often discussed here the 600, i think one that's discussed 
less then any other one!
Are there any owners out there that know how to fix one?
I came across one that when play is pressed with no tape loaded (!) 
starts moving the meters, one more then the other.
Any leads hwo to fix this?

Wouter


From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Dec  5 01:54:46 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:54:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
In-Reply-To: <41B25A97.9090508@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <003101c4da65$04298b00$116f893e@oemcomputer>

Not mentioned very often ... I wonder if this is a mark of its reliability!

Gra'

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> Sent: 05 December 2004 00:47
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> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
> 
> 
> Not a Nak often discussed here the 600, i think one that's discussed 
> less then any other one!
> Are there any owners out there that know how to fix one?
> I came across one that when play is pressed with no tape loaded (!) 
> starts moving the meters, one more then the other.
> Any leads hwo to fix this?
> 
> Wouter
>
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From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Sun Dec  5 02:09:27 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:09:27 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
References: <003101c4da65$04298b00$116f893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006501c4da67$14a57190$674a98de@tec>

Hello All

I have had a Nak 600 since 1985. It is a very good machine, but at present 
my one is doing all sorts of horrible things. I have received a new 
record/play head from B+W in the UK recently and it will go into the works 
to get a playback fault and recording fault dealt with. Until now I had 
maintained it, one new meter light, new motor, belts etc, and have a full 
service manual on pdf if anybody wants a copy.

I suspect the problem identified by Gra is a similar one to what mine is 
doing, in that one of the boards gets dislodged and causing an internal feed 
back (possibly by shorting one or more of the contacts) - if it is the same 
as mine it will cook your speaker. The unit has a lot of circuit boards in 
it.

Regards

Donald

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?


> Not mentioned very often ... I wonder if this is a mark of its 
> reliability!
>
> Gra'
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke
>> Sent: 05 December 2004 00:47
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
>>
>>
>> Not a Nak often discussed here the 600, i think one that's discussed
>> less then any other one!
>> Are there any owners out there that know how to fix one?
>> I came across one that when play is pressed with no tape loaded (!)
>> starts moving the meters, one more then the other.
>> Any leads hwo to fix this?
>>
>> Wouter
>>
>>
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From roleo at telus.net  Sun Dec  5 03:49:24 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:49:24 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001001c4da75$07dded30$6501a8c0@desktop>

The Holy Grail:

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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Sun Dec  5 04:21:38 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:21:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
In-Reply-To: <41B25A97.9090508@xs4all.nl>
References: <41B25A97.9090508@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <41B27EC2.1000601@woods-and-waters.com>

Ah, the 600! It and the 550 are my two favorite Nakamichis!

Mine had this problem once. I pulled all the circuit boards, cleaned the 
  sockets and contacts (with Caig Labs R-5), and cleaned the 
rec/playback mode switch (if I remeber correctly. It's worked fine ever 
since.

Also, if my memory serves, the rec/playback mode switch can get 
misaloigned, causing the problem.

Another fault that can occur which manifests iteself this way is a 
failure of the mute circuitry.

Hope this helps!

N-Joy!

Wouter Heijke wrote:
> Not a Nak often discussed here the 600, i think one that's discussed 
> less then any other one!
> Are there any owners out there that know how to fix one?
> I came across one that when play is pressed with no tape loaded (!) 
> starts moving the meters, one more then the other.
> Any leads hwo to fix this?
> 
> Wouter
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From mbosselmann at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  5 09:15:14 2004
From: mbosselmann at yahoo.com (mark bosselmann)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:15:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] rx202
Message-ID: <20041205081514.41684.qmail@web81003.mail.yahoo.com>

HI. I just picked up a used RX-202, and it records and
plays back great. However, it  makes quite a bit of
noise when playing back. It is a kind of squeaking,
binding noise. I was wondering if the idler needs
replacing, or is it something else. It does not seem
to affect playback-just noisy. Any help would be
appreciated. Mark


From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Dec  5 15:13:43 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:13:43 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] rx202
In-Reply-To: <20041205081514.41684.qmail@web81003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601c4dad4$a0bbca40$6ef14c51@oemcomputer>

Might this not just be a symptom of a lack of use?  My ZX-9 used to make a
nasty noise when it was powered up and positioned the tape past the leader.
That was when I first got it.  However, after a few hours of use, the noise
disappeared and only returned - again, briefly - when the machine had laid
unused for a couple of months.

Gra'

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> Behalf Of mark bosselmann
> Sent: 05 December 2004 08:15
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> Subject: [naktalk] rx202
>
>
> HI. I just picked up a used RX-202, and it records and
> plays back great. However, it  makes quite a bit of
> noise when playing back. It is a kind of squeaking,
> binding noise. I was wondering if the idler needs
> replacing, or is it something else. It does not seem
> to affect playback-just noisy. Any help would be
> appreciated. Mark
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Dec  5 15:13:45 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:13:45 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <001001c4da75$07dded30$6501a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <001701c4dad4$a1f311c0$6ef14c51@oemcomputer>

I wish my bosses were as generous!  They cr#p on me from different heights
and perspectives over years of loyal service and then, when I take time off
sick with work-related stress, complain" but we're ALL under stress ..."
And just as I approached my 20 years service award, they abolished it and
invented the 5 year, 10 year and 30 year awards - £50, £100 and £300
bonuses.

But getting back on topic, this beastie looks mint.  However, what's it
going to be like for having been laid down for c. 15 years ???  Mind you, if
you buy a Rolls Royce you don't send it to the local "grease monkey" to
service it, do you?  A beauty like that would deserve the full Monty
re-build by ESL !  After all, it's not just a tape deck ...

Gra'
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Of Roland Alford
  Sent: 05 December 2004 02:49
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  The Holy Grail:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752
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From jmtooley at verizon.net  Sun Dec  5 16:40:33 2004
From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John Tooley)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:40:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<001001c4da75$07dded30$6501a8c0@desktop>
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That is one beautiful machine, just look at the piano finish on that cabinet. It sure would take up a lot of space. I would bid on it but realize that Carlos would out bid me ;-) Pretty ain't it Carlos, I wonder how long before it has orange cap disease, needs belts or some exotic, unavailable chip set.

John T.
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  From: Roland Alford 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:49 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  The Holy Grail:

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752&rd=1


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From jmtooley at verizon.net  Sun Dec  5 16:47:07 2004
From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John Tooley)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:47:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <001701c4dad4$a1f311c0$6ef14c51@oemcomputer>
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I agree Gra'. If you are going to spend that kind of money then have it completely checked over one more time then run it every week.

John T.
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  Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:13 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  I wish my bosses were as generous!  They cr#p on me from different heights and perspectives over years of loyal service and then, when I take time off sick with work-related stress, complain" but we're ALL under stress ..."   And just as I approached my 20 years service award, they abolished it and invented the 5 year, 10 year and 30 year awards - £50, £100 and £300 bonuses.

  But getting back on topic, this beastie looks mint.  However, what's it going to be like for having been laid down for c. 15 years ???  Mind you, if you buy a Rolls Royce you don't send it to the local "grease monkey" to service it, do you?  A beauty like that would deserve the full Monty re-build by ESL !  After all, it's not just a tape deck ...

  Gra'
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Dec  5 22:16:58 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:16:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
References: <003101c4da65$04298b00$116f893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002a01c4db10$7d8b5720$03773242@CopyTech>

Yes. The same as the 500. Not many IC's, just discreet electronics and very 
simple mechanism. Apart from changing belts, most of the rest are pretty 
reliable.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?


> Not mentioned very often ... I wonder if this is a mark of its 
> reliability!
>
> Gra'
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke
>> Sent: 05 December 2004 00:47
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
>>
>>
>> Not a Nak often discussed here the 600, i think one that's discussed
>> less then any other one!
>> Are there any owners out there that know how to fix one?
>> I came across one that when play is pressed with no tape loaded (!)
>> starts moving the meters, one more then the other.
>> Any leads hwo to fix this?
>>
>> Wouter
>>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Dec  5 22:24:51 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:24:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<001001c4da75$07dded30$6501a8c0@desktop>
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Good machine that some crazy would pay up to over 2k easily, but be careful though; the man mantioned: " Recording capabilities not tested ". Forget it. That's the real burdens of these ZXL's. It would be painful to pay over 2k just to have a golden playback "only" monument in your living room. Ha !

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roland Alford 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 6:49 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  The Holy Grail:

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752&rd=1


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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Dec  5 22:29:44 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:29:44 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <001701c4dad4$a1f311c0$6ef14c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004701c4db11$8a8c3d30$03773242@CopyTech>

Yeah, Gra, and be ready to pay $2,000 extra on a full ES service. So, at the end you'll be paying well over $4k !!! In my dictionary that means : "bullshit". I bet anything that this unit is not fully working and if it is so, just after 2 weeks later in your posession, the malaise would start. It happened to me ...

15 years in a closset ? For a machine like this is simply a killer.

Carlos
    A beauty like that would deserve the full Monty re-build by ESL !  After all, it's not just a tape deck ...

  Gra'
    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: 05 December 2004 02:49
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


    The Holy Grail:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752&rd=1


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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Dec  5 22:32:40 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:32:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au><001001c4da75$07dded30$6501a8c0@desktop>
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I'm ready to bid $2k because I'm sure that a crazy fart would just bid 3k at the last 5 seconds ! Ha ! I'll let it pass for you, John ! I rather offer 2.5k to Isy for his.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Tooley 
  To: Roland Alford ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  That is one beautiful machine, just look at the piano finish on that cabinet. It sure would take up a lot of space. I would bid on it but realize that Carlos would out bid me ;-) Pretty ain't it Carlos, I wonder how long before it has orange cap disease, needs belts or some exotic, unavailable chip set.

  John T.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Roland Alford 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:49 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


    The Holy Grail:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752&rd=1


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  5 19:54:56 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 20:54:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4db10$7d8b5720$03773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F22D67C18CFB7559ADF8E05ABB30@phx.gbl>

Hi Carlos!

It's true...25 year ago I own two 500 one with Nakamichi brand name and 
other under "Sonab" brand. Also I own for two weeks a 600 Mk-2 unit, very 
similarly, only with NO microphones input.

Cheers,

ALEX!




>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:16:58 -0800
>
>Yes. The same as the 500. Not many IC's, just discreet electronics and very 
>simple mechanism. Apart from changing belts, most of the rest are pretty 
>reliable.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson" 
><graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:54 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
>
>
>>Not mentioned very often ... I wonder if this is a mark of its 
>>reliability!
>>
>>Gra'
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>>Behalf Of Wouter Heijke
>>>Sent: 05 December 2004 00:47
>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
>>>
>>>
>>>Not a Nak often discussed here the 600, i think one that's discussed
>>>less then any other one!
>>>Are there any owners out there that know how to fix one?
>>>I came across one that when play is pressed with no tape loaded (!)
>>>starts moving the meters, one more then the other.
>>>Any leads hwo to fix this?
>>>
>>>Wouter
>>>
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From britri at comcast.net  Sun Dec  5 20:44:57 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:44:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>	<001001c4da75$07dded30$6501a8c0@desktop>
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Message-ID: <41B36539.3090802@comcast.net>

I would not buy something, especially a 1000zxl 
(which he  is unwilling or unknowledgeable about 
how to make a recording) from an ebay seller named 
ghetto with zero feedback.  It looks like it is 
sitting atop a pile of junked gear!

This, however, is an impressive auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71548&item=5736132503&rd=1

Brian


Brian

El Magnifico wrote:
> Good machine that some crazy would pay up to over 2k easily, but be 
> careful though; the man mantioned: " Recording capabilities not tested 
> ". Forget it. That's the real burdens of these ZXL's. It would be 
> painful to pay over 2k just to have a golden playback "only" monument in 
> your living room. Ha !
>  
> Carlos
>  
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Roland Alford <mailto:roleo at telus.net>
>     To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>     Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 6:49 PM
>     Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> 
>     The Holy Grail:
>      
>     http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752&rd=1
>     <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752&rd=1>
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>      
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From jmtooley at verizon.net  Sun Dec  5 22:40:36 2004
From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John Tooley)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:40:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>	<001001c4da75$07dded30$6501a8c0@desktop><003401c4db10$db8fca90$03773242@CopyTech>
	<41B36539.3090802@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00a101c4db13$0ef70db0$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl>

Very nice and probably has a second benefit in heating the house. I remember 
seeing the later solid-state versions in stores years ago. That blue 
lighting behind the meters converted me ;-)

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Stocker" <britri at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


>I would not buy something, especially a 1000zxl (which he  is unwilling or 
>unknowledgeable about how to make a recording) from an ebay seller named 
>ghetto with zero feedback.  It looks like it is sitting atop a pile of 
>junked gear!
>
> This, however, is an impressive auction:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71548&item=5736132503&rd=1
>
> Brian
>
>
> Brian
>
> El Magnifico wrote:
>> Good machine that some crazy would pay up to over 2k easily, but be 
>> careful though; the man mantioned: " Recording capabilities not tested ". 
>> Forget it. That's the real burdens of these ZXL's. It would be painful to 
>> pay over 2k just to have a golden playback "only" monument in your living 
>> room. Ha !
>>  Carlos
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>     From: Roland Alford <mailto:roleo at telus.net>
>>     To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>>     Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 6:49 PM
>>     Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>>
>>     The Holy Grail:
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752&rd=1
>> 
>> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752&rd=1>
>>      -- Roland
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Dec  5 22:45:46 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:45:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <006301c4db11$f3903de0$03773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <005e01c4db13$c76baa40$6ef14c51@oemcomputer>

Quick Isy, before he changes his mind!!  :o)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of El Magnifico
  Sent: 05 December 2004 21:33
  To: John Tooley; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  I'm ready to bid $2k because I'm sure that a crazy fart would just bid 3k
at the last 5 seconds ! Ha ! I'll let it pass for you, John ! I rather offer
2.5k to Isy for his.

  Carlos

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John Tooley
    To: Roland Alford ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:40 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


    That is one beautiful machine, just look at the piano finish on that
cabinet. It sure would take up a lot of space. I would bid on it but realize
that Carlos would out bid me ;-) Pretty ain't it Carlos, I wonder how long
before it has orange cap disease, needs belts or some exotic, unavailable
chip set.

    John T.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Roland Alford
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
      Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:49 PM
      Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


      The Holy Grail:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752
&rd=1


      -- Roland

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From jberger at well.com  Mon Dec  6 00:47:27 2004
From: jberger at well.com (John Berger)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:47:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 woes
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412051536420.8946@well.com>

My CR-7A is having some 'issues' lately, and I'm narrowing it down to
motor issues.  It does have the gear transport, not the idler wheel one.

First issue: ff/rew works OK, but sometimes the deck fails to go into play
mode (head assembly doesn't rise, takeup spindle doesn't turn).  If I give
the cam-gear assembly an assist (the one that triggers the reed switches
near the top of the transport), it jumps into play successfully.  I've
used a drop of teflon oil on the motor, and it seems to be improved.

Second issue: sometimes while playing, the takeup spindle will stop
turning and the deck will drop back to stop.  At this point, it will not
ff/rew/play.  I put a mark on the gear attached to the takeup reel motor
and found that there appears to be a "dead spot" of about 60 degrees; if
the motor is stopped with the rotor in that zone it will fail to restart.
Move it out of the zone, and it works OK.  I'm thinking dirty commutator
on the motor?  Remove, disassemble, polish, and reassemble?

It looks like most of the transport needs to be disassembled to get this
motor out; can anyone with a service manual or hands-on confirm this?  Are
there other models of decks that use  this same transport, and would it be
easier to cannibalize the motor from, say, a BX-100 (assuming it was a
match)? Would this be easier than fine motor disassembly, or should I just
order a replacement motor?


From michael.martorana at ntlworld.com  Mon Dec  6 01:43:46 2004
From: michael.martorana at ntlworld.com (Michael G Martorana)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:43:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
References: <200412051101.iB5B0sHP025945@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <006101c4db2c$a63435e0$ea3e6b51@Michael>

Hi Donald

I too have had a Nak 600 since the 1980's and agree that it is a very good
machine but not as good as the later LX-3 which I also have.  Recently my
600 has started to give me some problems.  I no longer seem able to set the
level on the Right channel to the same level as the left channel.  Using the
tone I can set the left to the Dolby sign, 0db, but cannot set the right
channel above -3db.  Does anyone have any idea what might be wrong?

Regards

Michael

PS  I would appreciate a copy of the service manual as I do not have one.


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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:09:27 +1300
> From: "Donald Sangster" <donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <006501c4da67$14a57190$674a98de at tec>
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> Hello All
>
> I have had a Nak 600 since 1985. It is a very good machine, but at present
> my one is doing all sorts of horrible things. I have received a new
> record/play head from B+W in the UK recently and it will go into the works
> to get a playback fault and recording fault dealt with. Until now I had
> maintained it, one new meter light, new motor, belts etc, and have a full
> service manual on pdf if anybody wants a copy.
>
> I suspect the problem identified by Gra is a similar one to what mine is
> doing, in that one of the boards gets dislodged and causing an internal
feed
> back (possibly by shorting one or more of the contacts) - if it is the
same
> as mine it will cook your speaker. The unit has a lot of circuit boards in
> it.
>
> Regards
>
> Donald
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
>
>
> > Not mentioned very often ... I wonder if this is a mark of its
> > reliability!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke
> >> Sent: 05 December 2004 00:47
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
> >>
> >>
> >> Not a Nak often discussed here the 600, i think one that's discussed
> >> less then any other one!
> >> Are there any owners out there that know how to fix one?
> >> I came across one that when play is pressed with no tape loaded (!)
> >> starts moving the meters, one more then the other.
> >> Any leads hwo to fix this?
> >>
> >> Wouter
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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  6 06:41:41 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <41B36539.3090802@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F11F22175C69EB8BF66DF0A80B40@phx.gbl>

I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly 
essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it 
usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse 
psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't (or 
won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional 
testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the 
first place.

I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record function 
to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by 
the seller.

Regards,

Bob




From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Dec  6 09:55:52 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:55:52 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 582ZX
References: <20041203210832.63337.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006401c4db71$64399820$1510a8c0@TG>

Thanks for your assumption Kannan, will try.....
Tayfur
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kannan srinivasaraghavan 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 582ZX


  90% + chance - The Orange caps in Bias oscillator misbehaved as expected!!!  - check the nak server Orange cap article for your remedy!
  kannan

  Tayfur Gunay <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr> wrote:
    Hi Everybody,

    I appreciate any help describing the element on the board, driving erase head function on Nakamichi 582ZX

    Suddenly erase head started not to  function. When it is in rec. mode, rec head not erasing the tape.

    Thanks for this valuable help.
    Tayfur

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Dec  6 12:35:42 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:35:42 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] B&W
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F11F22175C69EB8BF66DF0A80B40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001c01c4db87$b7f57040$9bc34c51@oemcomputer>

Guys

I just heard from "Nakamichi" as they announced themselves, rather than B&W,
on the telephone.  The cost of repairing my ZX-9 and a full service plus
replacing all the belts and some other parts, is going to be £180 including
shipping back here by courier.   Work should be completed - and delivered! -
by the end of this week.  They've already had it a week.  That makes 2 weeks
turn around (assuming it gets here!)   Not too bad ...

Gra'

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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Dec  6 13:51:09 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:51:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] B&W
References: <001c01c4db87$b7f57040$9bc34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004b01c4db92$4c6da9e0$1510a8c0@TG>

Very very good, less than 1/3 of the USAn competitor.
Pls also comment on overall performance after you received.
Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: [naktalk] B&W


> Guys
>
> I just heard from "Nakamichi" as they announced themselves, rather than 
> B&W,
> on the telephone.  The cost of repairing my ZX-9 and a full service plus
> replacing all the belts and some other parts, is going to be £180 
> including
> shipping back here by courier.   Work should be completed - and 
> delivered! -
> by the end of this week.  They've already had it a week.  That makes 2 
> weeks
> turn around (assuming it gets here!)   Not too bad ...
>
> Gra'
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Dec  6 18:58:15 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:58:15 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] B&W
References: <001c01c4db87$b7f57040$9bc34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003e01c4dbbd$2972ae60$05773242@CopyTech>

Wow, just that ? It is a shame that shipping a unit from PR is too expensive 
...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:35 AM
Subject: [naktalk] B&W


Guys

I just heard from "Nakamichi" as they announced themselves, rather than B&W,
on the telephone.  The cost of repairing my ZX-9 and a full service plus
replacing all the belts and some other parts, is going to be £180 including
shipping back here by courier.   Work should be completed - and delivered! -
by the end of this week.  They've already had it a week.  That makes 2 weeks
turn around (assuming it gets here!)   Not too bad ...

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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Dec  6 14:54:36 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:54:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <005e01c4db13$c76baa40$6ef14c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <005501c4db9b$2342a300$7f6523c8@g8nsv>

It would help paying some of my bills.....interesting offer Carlitos....jejejejejeje

Isy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 5:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  Quick Isy, before he changes his mind!!  :o)
    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico
    Sent: 05 December 2004 21:33
    To: John Tooley; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


    I'm ready to bid $2k because I'm sure that a crazy fart would just bid 3k at the last 5 seconds ! Ha ! I'll let it pass for you, John ! I rather offer 2.5k to Isy for his.

    Carlos

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: John Tooley 
      To: Roland Alford ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:40 AM
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


      That is one beautiful machine, just look at the piano finish on that cabinet. It sure would take up a lot of space. I would bid on it but realize that Carlos would out bid me ;-) Pretty ain't it Carlos, I wonder how long before it has orange cap disease, needs belts or some exotic, unavailable chip set.

      John T.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Roland Alford 
        To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
        Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:49 PM
        Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


        The Holy Grail:

        http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71574&item=5736183752&rd=1


        -- Roland



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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  6 14:43:35 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:43:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F11F22175C69EB8BF66DF0A80B40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F14B2B915A2C640DB4DB459ABB40@phx.gbl>

100% Competly agree!

For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the 
machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at 
all?...I'm wrong????????????

ALEX!



>From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
>
>I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly 
>essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it 
>usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse 
>psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't (or 
>won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional 
>testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the 
>first place.
>
>I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record function 
>to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by 
>the seller.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob
>
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From a10 at look.ca  Mon Dec  6 15:51:09 2004
From: a10 at look.ca (a10)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:51:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <E1CbKCk-0002a6-6L@gatekeeper.look.ca>

All,

While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a
1000zxl check routine.

RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would
own such a deck in the first place.

A

----------
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM


100% Competly agree!

For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the
machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
all?...I'm wrong????????????

ALEX!



>From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
>
>I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
>essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
>usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse
>psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't (or
>won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional
>testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the
>first place.
>
>I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record function
>to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by
>the seller.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Dec  6 21:47:29 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:47:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <E1CbKCk-0002a6-6L@gatekeeper.look.ca>
Message-ID: <002901c4dbd4$cdacf370$57773242@CopyTech>

Re: [naktalk] The Holy GrailYeah, sure, but when you are selling an item that surely will go over 2k, I mean, that is a serious amount of money for a 20+ years old machine that nobody knows for sure if it is in perfect working order. If the seller doesn't know what he's selling, then, take the machine to someone who knows first, and then , post it at e bay later.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: a10 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  All,

  While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a 1000zxl check routine.

  RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the first place.
   
  A

  ----------
  From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
  Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM



    100% Competly agree!

    For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the 
    machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at 
    all?...I'm wrong????????????

    ALEX!



    >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
    >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
    >To: naktalk at naks.com
    >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
    >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
    >
    >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly 
    >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it 
    >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse 
    >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't (or 
    >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional 
    >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the 
    >first place.
    >
    >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record function 
    >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by 
    >the seller.
    >
    >Regards,
    >
    >Bob



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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 18:14:33 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:14:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 woes
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412051536420.8946@well.com>
Message-ID: <20041206171433.12315.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, the mode motor is the reason it doesn't change modes properly. 
It's a common problem

Check out 
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
and scroll down to "Reel and mode motor on Sankyo mechanism decks"

The other problem is a mystery.  I haven't heard of anyone with that
problem lately.  

Regarding the mode motor.  You should probably get a new motor.  The
P/N is in my web link.  

Scott J. 

--- John Berger <jberger at well.com> wrote:

> My CR-7A is having some 'issues' lately, and I'm narrowing it down
> to
> motor issues.  It does have the gear transport, not the idler wheel
> one.
> 
> First issue: ff/rew works OK, but sometimes the deck fails to go
> into play
> mode (head assembly doesn't rise, takeup spindle doesn't turn).  If
> I give
> the cam-gear assembly an assist (the one that triggers the reed
> switches
> near the top of the transport), it jumps into play successfully. 
> I've
> used a drop of teflon oil on the motor, and it seems to be
> improved.
> 
> Second issue: sometimes while playing, the takeup spindle will stop
> turning and the deck will drop back to stop.  At this point, it
> will not
> ff/rew/play.  I put a mark on the gear attached to the takeup reel
> motor
> and found that there appears to be a "dead spot" of about 60
> degrees; if
> the motor is stopped with the rotor in that zone it will fail to
> restart.
> Move it out of the zone, and it works OK.  I'm thinking dirty
> commutator
> on the motor?  Remove, disassemble, polish, and reassemble?
> 
> It looks like most of the transport needs to be disassembled to get
> this
> motor out; can anyone with a service manual or hands-on confirm
> this?  Are
> there other models of decks that use  this same transport, and
> would it be
> easier to cannibalize the motor from, say, a BX-100 (assuming it
> was a
> match)? Would this be easier than fine motor disassembly, or should
> I just
> order a replacement motor?
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From gwmunger at bestweb.net  Mon Dec  6 16:53:00 2004
From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (GeorgE)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:53:00 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <41b4805c.13c8d.0@bestweb.net>

Bob makes a good point - if necessary feature(s) is idicated as 'untested',
it may well be a no-go.  In one auction last year, the description had
only...
'...all of the functions seem to work, but as I don't own any tapes, I am
unable to test this unit....'. 
I emailed the seller within 24 hours from the 7-day auction start, and
offered to send him, at my expense, both blank and prerecorded cassettes
for testing playback & record. I never did receive a reply, even after I
sent a second follow-up email. The lack of communication does not
necessarily mean an attempt at concealment or fraud, but I prefer to defer
on the side of caution. I try to remember, when deciding whether to bid,
that there will probably be other auctions of similar items - and that
patience, with intelligent and careful consideration of all of the factors
involved, can often be rewared with all parties being satisfied with the
sale.


>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
>From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Message-ID: <BAY101-F11F22175C69EB8BF66DF0A80B40 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly 
>essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it 
>usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse 
>psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't
(or 
>won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional 
>testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in
the 
>first place.
>
>I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record
function 
>to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by 
>the seller.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob


From a10 at look.ca  Mon Dec  6 18:31:42 2004
From: a10 at look.ca (a10)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:31:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <E1CbMi7-000461-1N@jandor.look.ca>

Hi Carlos, all,

No doubt, no doubt. But really, the seller doesn't 'have' to do anything,
except maybe get the best price for his goods and not lie in the process.
It's the buyer's responsibility to ask all the questions and make sure
they're all answered to his/her satisfaction.

Like I said, I very much agree with the gist of Bob's ( and yours and
Alex's) earlier post. It's just that I've had a lot of fun reading Naktalk
for a while now, but lately, the tone seems to me to have grown a bit more
cynical and curmudgeony (;-)). Yes, I'm sure there are more than a few
shysters out there, but not everyone is out to rip people off.

Best,
A

----------
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 3:47 PM


Yeah, sure, but when you are selling an item that surely will go over 2k, I
mean, that is a serious amount of money for a 20+ years old machine that
nobody knows for sure if it is in perfect working order. If the seller
doesn't know what he's selling, then, take the machine to someone who knows
first, and then , post it at e bay later.

Carlos
----- Original Message -----
From: a10 <mailto:a10 at look.ca>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail

All,

While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a
1000zxl check routine.

RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would
own such a deck in the first place.

A

----------
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM


100% Competly agree!

For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the
machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
all?...I'm wrong????????????

ALEX!



>From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
>
>I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
>essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
>usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse
>psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't (or
>won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional
>testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the
>first place.
>
>I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record function
>to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by
>the seller.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob

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From yaler at charter.net  Mon Dec  6 18:40:57 2004
From: yaler at charter.net (Richard Lay)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:40:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi idler tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <200412061716.iB6HGgHP030847@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <001501c4dbba$c0026940$6401a8c0@household>

I just attempted to replace my BX-300 idler tire, and followed the
instructions:

http://www.eslabs.com/idler_2.htm

I followed everything to a tee, except for the suggestion to use a piece
of clear plastic (Scotch) tape to hold the little washer in place during
re-installation (step 9).  I figured I could handle snapping the washer
back on the shaft.  Sure enough, the washer flew out and I was unable to
find it on my floor.  Fortunately it did not fall in the machine.  I
have ordered s clip to replace the washer from Electronic Service labs.

Just a heads up for anyone that tries this & a lesson learned by me -
follow the instructions.  

Another thought, assuming the clip is better and easier to re-install -
order the clip with the idler tire to replace the washer.

Richard Lay



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Dec  6 18:59:32 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:59:32 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi idler tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <001501c4dbba$c0026940$6401a8c0@household>
References: <200412061716.iB6HGgHP030847@zebra.naks.com>
	<001501c4dbba$c0026940$6401a8c0@household>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041206125811.01be6858@psulias.psu.edu>

I just performed the same operation on my CR-5 this weekend.  That clip is 
a little bugger, to put it mildly.

At 12:40 PM 12/6/2004, you wrote:
>I just attempted to replace my BX-300 idler tire, and followed the
>instructions:
>
>http://www.eslabs.com/idler_2.htm
>
>I followed everything to a tee, except for the suggestion to use a piece
>of clear plastic (Scotch) tape to hold the little washer in place during
>re-installation (step 9).  I figured I could handle snapping the washer
>back on the shaft.  Sure enough, the washer flew out and I was unable to
>find it on my floor.  Fortunately it did not fall in the machine.  I
>have ordered s clip to replace the washer from Electronic Service labs.
>
>Just a heads up for anyone that tries this & a lesson learned by me -
>follow the instructions.
>
>Another thought, assuming the clip is better and easier to re-install -
>order the clip with the idler tire to replace the washer.
>
>Richard Lay
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From calijente at gmx.net  Mon Dec  6 19:25:08 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:25:08 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] rx202
In-Reply-To: <20041205081514.41684.qmail@web81003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c4dbc0$ebae77e0$0f7cce80@Tweezzy>

Hi Mark,

My RX-202 used to make such a noise while playing. The noise used to
disappear after 20-30 minutes of playing. In addition, the take-up reel was
moving a bit bumpy. You could have felt the jerky rotation of the take-up
reel by touching it with your finger while playing. The right reel was
moving smoothly. 

Replacing the idle tire solved the problem.

Hope this helps,
Gabe

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> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 2:15 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] rx202
> 
> 
> HI. I just picked up a used RX-202, and it records and
> plays back great. However, it  makes quite a bit of
> noise when playing back. It is a kind of squeaking,
> binding noise. I was wondering if the idler needs
> replacing, or is it something else. It does not seem
> to affect playback-just noisy. Any help would be
> appreciated. Mark 
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  6 19:46:31 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:46:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <E1CbKCk-0002a6-6L@gatekeeper.look.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F12B2DB32984E80E43BD5AEABB40@phx.gbl>


Dear A!

Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, with 
"NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the original 
owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's "Unfair" 
Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
l
ALEX!



>From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:51:09 -0500
>
>All,
>
>While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
>defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
>somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a
>1000zxl check routine.
>
>RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would
>own such a deck in the first place.
>
>A
>
>----------
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM
>
>
>100% Competly agree!
>
>For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the
>machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
>all?...I'm wrong????????????
>
>ALEX!
>
>
>
> >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
> >
> >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
> >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
> >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse
> >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't 
>(or
> >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional
> >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in 
>the
> >first place.
> >
> >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record 
>function
> >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by
> >the seller.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Bob
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From roleo at telus.net  Mon Dec  6 20:10:08 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:10:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi idler tire replacement
References: <001501c4dbba$c0026940$6401a8c0@household>
Message-ID: <002201c4dbc7$365a9f20$6501a8c0@desktop>

Here's a tip for finding small items like that idler washer you lost:

Get one of you wife's old pair of nylons (stockings) and place it over the wand of a vacuum cleaner 
as you suck around the area you think it dropped.  It will suck it up and keep it on the nylon and 
it is fairly easy to see.

Of course you'll pick up other crap too...........great for that contact lens you lost last year! 
Just don't stick it back in your eye.

Worked for me.

-- Roland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Lay" <yaler at charter.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 9:40 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi idler tire replacement


>I just attempted to replace my BX-300 idler tire, and followed the
> instructions:
>
> http://www.eslabs.com/idler_2.htm
>
> I followed everything to a tee, except for the suggestion to use a piece
> of clear plastic (Scotch) tape to hold the little washer in place during
> re-installation (step 9).  I figured I could handle snapping the washer
> back on the shaft.  Sure enough, the washer flew out and I was unable to
> find it on my floor.  Fortunately it did not fall in the machine.  I
> have ordered s clip to replace the washer from Electronic Service labs.
>
> Just a heads up for anyone that tries this & a lesson learned by me -
> follow the instructions.
>
> Another thought, assuming the clip is better and easier to re-install -
> order the clip with the idler tire to replace the washer.
>
> Richard Lay
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From a10 at look.ca  Mon Dec  6 20:32:56 2004
From: a10 at look.ca (a10)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:32:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <E1CbObQ-0001C7-FV@jandor.look.ca>

Dear ALEX!

See wot I mean by 'curmudgeony'?:-)

It's 'unfair' if the seller tells you that it works when it doesn't.  If he
says he doesn't know if it works clearly in the ad, how is it 'unfair'?
Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling that some here may have
unrealistically high expectations about sellers: First the original(or
second or third) owner will have to pamper the gear we want -- keep it in a
dust free, smoke free, temperature controlled environment for twenty years,
service it monthly, replace all the parts ( then oil and massage) just
before they put it up for sale AND don't they DARE charge too much for it
for their trouble..only what's deemed as 'fair', i.e. what we want to pay.

If we don't like what he's selling, no one's putting a gun to our heads to
buy. I dunno, but why is all this character assassination even necessary,
particularly when it is based entirely upon conjecture?


A

----------
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 1:46 PM



Dear A!

Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, with
"NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the original
owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's "Unfair"
Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
l
ALEX!



>From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:51:09 -0500
>
>All,
>
>While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
>defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
>somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a
>1000zxl check routine.
>
>RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would
>own such a deck in the first place.
>
>A
>
>----------
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM
>
>
>100% Competly agree!
>
>For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the
>machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
>all?...I'm wrong????????????
>
>ALEX!
>
>
>
> >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
> >
> >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
> >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
> >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse
> >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't
>(or
> >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional
> >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in
>the
> >first place.
> >
> >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record
>function
> >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by
> >the seller.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Bob
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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  6 20:47:49 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:47:49 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <E1CbKCk-0002a6-6L@gatekeeper.look.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F11C46C071DFF3ACEEC214780B40@phx.gbl>

There is a key word in my post and that is the word "basic" with regard to 
testing. That's as simple as hooking up the deck, inserting a tape, pressing 
record and describing the result heard upon playback. That's not asking much 
from a vendor. If the prospective buyer can't check the item in person 
(generally assumed for eBay purchases) then one must rely on the seller 
providing sufficient information critical to the purchase. If someone can 
post an ad to ebay I suspect he or she can record a cassette tape; maybe not 
an exquisitely balanced or finely equalized one, but something adequate to 
know if it records or not.

I'm merely suggesting that expecting the seller do such a simple yet 
essential test up front is not unreasonable. (One could easily tell the 
seller how, if need be and listen to the recording by phone, if necessary.) 
If that tiny imposition somehow still cannot be accommodated by any seller 
then I'd quickly say no thank you and move on, retaining my cash with no 
burned fingers.

Bob

>From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:51:09 -0500
>
>All,
>
>While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
>defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
>somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a
>1000zxl check routine.
>
>RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would
>own such a deck in the first place.
>
>A
>
>----------
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM
>
>
>100% Competly agree!
>
>For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the
>machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
>all?...I'm wrong????????????
>
>ALEX!
>
>
>
> >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
> >
> >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
> >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
> >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse
> >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't 
>(or
> >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional
> >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in 
>the
> >first place.
> >
> >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record 
>function
> >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by
> >the seller.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Bob
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Dec  6 21:06:24 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:06:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <E1CbKCk-0002a6-6L@gatekeeper.look.ca>
	<002901c4dbd4$cdacf370$57773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <004701c4dbcf$28020230$6f6523c8@g8nsv>

Re: [naktalk] The Holy GrailWhat for Carlos????

Somebody is gonna offer US$2000 for the machine no matter that so the seller would save some money instead of paying for a technician to tell him the state of the machine....I guess we all had such kind of experience in ebay.....

Thanks God we a re all part of Naktalk!!!!!

Isy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 4:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  Yeah, sure, but when you are selling an item that surely will go over 2k, I mean, that is a serious amount of money for a 20+ years old machine that nobody knows for sure if it is in perfect working order. If the seller doesn't know what he's selling, then, take the machine to someone who knows first, and then , post it at e bay later.

  Carlos
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: a10 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:51 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


    All,

    While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a 1000zxl check routine.

    RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the first place.
     
    A

    ----------
    From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
    Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM



      100% Competly agree!

      For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the 
      machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at 
      all?...I'm wrong????????????

      ALEX!



      >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
      >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
      >To: naktalk at naks.com
      >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
      >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
      >
      >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly 
      >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it 
      >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse 
      >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't (or 
      >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional 
      >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the 
      >first place.
      >
      >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record function 
      >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by 
      >the seller.
      >
      >Regards,
      >
      >Bob



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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 21:09:35 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:09:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi idler tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <001501c4dbba$c0026940$6401a8c0@household>
Message-ID: <20041206200935.75791.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com>

Yup.  I did the same thing.  

It went flying to I who knows where.  Never to be found again.

I got out my E-Clip assortment pack and found a little metal E-Clip
that just fit.

http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=32-3380&N=4

SJ


--- Richard Lay <yaler at charter.net> wrote:

> I just attempted to replace my BX-300 idler tire, and followed the
> instructions:
> 
> http://www.eslabs.com/idler_2.htm
> 
> I followed everything to a tee, except for the suggestion to use a
> piece
> of clear plastic (Scotch) tape to hold the little washer in place
> during
> re-installation (step 9).  I figured I could handle snapping the
> washer
> back on the shaft.  Sure enough, the washer flew out and I was
> unable to
> find it on my floor.  Fortunately it did not fall in the machine. 
> I
> have ordered s clip to replace the washer from Electronic Service
> labs.
> 
> Just a heads up for anyone that tries this & a lesson learned by me
> -
> follow the instructions.  
> 
> Another thought, assuming the clip is better and easier to
> re-install -
> order the clip with the idler tire to replace the washer.
> 
> Richard Lay
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Dec  7 03:35:39 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:35:39 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <E1CbMi7-000461-1N@jandor.look.ca>
Message-ID: <002201c4dc05$712df140$6b773242@CopyTech>

Re: [naktalk] The Holy GrailThe problem is that when you are the one selling, the responsibility is yours and not your boss. I have even bought supposely "perfect working condition" items like my B 710 MK ii that when arrived it didn't even rewind the tape properly ! What did safe harbor do about it ? NOTHING. So, I lost money and paid $300.00 for fixing the supoosed "perfect working condition" unit. My advice: just be careful.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: a10 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 9:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  Hi Carlos, all,

  No doubt, no doubt. But really, the seller doesn't 'have' to do anything, except maybe get the best price for his goods and not lie in the process. It's the buyer's responsibility to ask all the questions and make sure they're all answered to his/her satisfaction. 

  Like I said, I very much agree with the gist of Bob's ( and yours and Alex's) earlier post. It's just that I've had a lot of fun reading Naktalk for a while now, but lately, the tone seems to me to have grown a bit more cynical and curmudgeony (;-)). Yes, I'm sure there are more than a few shysters out there, but not everyone is out to rip people off.

  Best,
  A

  ----------
  From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
  Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 3:47 PM



    Yeah, sure, but when you are selling an item that surely will go over 2k, I mean, that is a serious amount of money for a 20+ years old machine that nobody knows for sure if it is in perfect working order. If the seller doesn't know what he's selling, then, take the machine to someone who knows first, and then , post it at e bay later.
     
    Carlos

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: a10 <mailto:a10 at look.ca>  
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>  
      Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:51 AM
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail

      All,

      While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a 1000zxl check routine.

      RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the first place.
       
      A

      ----------
      From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail..com>
      To: naktalk at naks.com
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
      Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM



        100% Competly agree!

        For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the 
        machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at 
        all?...I'm wrong????????????

        ALEX!



        >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
        >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
        >To: naktalk at naks.com
        >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
        >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
        >
        >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly 
        >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it 
        >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse 
        >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't (or 
        >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional 
        >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in the 
        >first place.
        >
        >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record function 
        >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by 
        >the seller.
        >
        >Regards,
        >
        >Bob


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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Dec  7 03:38:20 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:38:20 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <E1CbObQ-0001C7-FV@jandor.look.ca>
Message-ID: <004501c4dc05$d14d0750$6b773242@CopyTech>

Re: [naktalk] The Holy GrailThe problem with this situation are the people who doesn't know anything about what they are selling and with the simple excuse of "I don't have a tape to try it" justify anything. But I agree with you; nobody is putting a gun to our heads,so, the best thing to do is to stay away from those bids.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: a10 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  Dear ALEX!

  See wot I mean by 'curmudgeony'?:-)

  It's 'unfair' if the seller tells you that it works when it doesn't.  If he says he doesn't know if it works clearly in the ad, how is it 'unfair'? Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling that some here may have unrealistically high expectations about sellers: First the original(or second or third) owner will have to pamper the gear we want -- keep it in a dust free, smoke free, temperature controlled environment for twenty years, service it monthly, replace all the parts ( then oil and massage) just before they put it up for sale AND don't they DARE charge too much for it for their trouble..only what's deemed as 'fair', i.e. what we want to pay.

  If we don't like what he's selling, no one's putting a gun to our heads to buy. I dunno, but why is all this character assassination even necessary, particularly when it is based entirely upon conjecture?


  A

  ----------
  From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
  Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 1:46 PM




    Dear A!

    Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, with 
    "NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the original 
    owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's "Unfair" 
    Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
    l
    ALEX!



    >From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
    >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
    >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
    >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
    >Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:51:09 -0500
    >
    >All,
    >
    >While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
    >defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
    >somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a
    >1000zxl check routine.
    >
    >RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would
    >own such a deck in the first place.
    >
    >A
    >
    >----------
    >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
    >To: naktalk at naks.com
    >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
    >Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM
    >
    >
    >100% Competly agree!
    >
    >For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the
    >machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
    >all?...I'm wrong????????????
    >
    >ALEX!
    >
    >
    >
    > >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
    > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
    > >To: naktalk at naks.com
    > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
    > >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
    > >
    > >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
    > >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
    > >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse
    > >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't 
    >(or
    > >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional
    > >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in 
    >the
    > >first place.
    > >
    > >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record 
    >function
    > >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by
    > >the seller.
    > >
    > >Regards,
    > >
    > >Bob
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From a10 at look.ca  Mon Dec  6 21:30:52 2004
From: a10 at look.ca (a10)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:30:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <E1CbPVU-0007bU-Pr@keymaster.look.ca>

Bob,

Well, if we're parsing words here, then there's another key word in your
post, and that would be, " for someone who would own such a deck in the
first place ". Since the person who put up that ad ( at least I presume
we're still talking about that, and only that, seller) has clearly stated
that he is not the original owner of the deck, then the point is moot
whether or not he should be able to do the functional testing ( 'basic' or
otherwise) prior to posting the ad.

If I have not made it abundantly clear in any of my posts that I do not for
an instance dispute the buyer's right to ask that said item be tested, then
I apologise. Of course I would entreat anyone who might be thinking of
buying the item ask that the function be tested, and be ready to expect the
worse and walk away should the seller demur. Perhaps there has been a
misunderstanding, and I thought you were implying that he should have tested
it prior to putting it up for sale, rather than simply being willing to test
it should a prospective buyer ask. The latter I wholeheartedly agree with,
but in the former case, I feel it is certainly not the seller's
responsibility so long as s/he makes those terms explicitly clear in the ad
to sell.

A



----------
From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 2:47 PM


There is a key word in my post and that is the word "basic" with regard to
testing. That's as simple as hooking up the deck, inserting a tape, pressing
record and describing the result heard upon playback. That's not asking much
from a vendor. If the prospective buyer can't check the item in person
(generally assumed for eBay purchases) then one must rely on the seller
providing sufficient information critical to the purchase. If someone can
post an ad to ebay I suspect he or she can record a cassette tape; maybe not
an exquisitely balanced or finely equalized one, but something adequate to
know if it records or not.

I'm merely suggesting that expecting the seller do such a simple yet
essential test up front is not unreasonable. (One could easily tell the
seller how, if need be and listen to the recording by phone, if necessary.)
If that tiny imposition somehow still cannot be accommodated by any seller
then I'd quickly say no thank you and move on, retaining my cash with no
burned fingers.

Bob

>From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:51:09 -0500
>
>All,
>
>While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
>defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
>somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a
>1000zxl check routine.
>
>RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would
>own such a deck in the first place.
>
>A
>
>----------
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM
>
>
>100% Competly agree!
>
>For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the
>machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
>all?...I'm wrong????????????
>
>ALEX!
>
>
>
> >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
> >
> >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
> >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
> >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse
> >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't
>(or
> >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional
> >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in
>the
> >first place.
> >
> >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record
>function
> >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by
> >the seller.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Bob
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From greynolds at newsguy.com  Tue Dec  7 00:24:52 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:24:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <E1CbMi7-000461-1N@jandor.look.ca>
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Message-ID: <001e01c4dbea$caa7a0b0$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k>

From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>

> Re: [naktalk] The Holy GrailThe problem is that when you are the one
> selling, the responsibility is yours and not your boss. I have even bought
> supposely "perfect working condition" items like my B 710 MK ii that
> when arrived it didn't even rewind the tape properly ! What did safe
> harbor do about it ? NOTHING. So, I lost money and paid $300.00
> for fixing the supoosed "perfect working condition" unit. My advice:
> just be careful.

If the seller says "perfect working condition", there isn't much room for
interpretation in terms of operating status.  It does obviously leave the
door open on cosmetics.

If the seller says "perfect playback, but recording untested", playback
should be expected to work, recording should be assumed to be not working,
and the maximum bid you make should be adjusted accordingly.  It's in the
seller's best interest to test recording both because if it works and is
mentioned the winning bid is likely to be higher and there's less chance of
getting negative feedback due to a misunderstanding (if it is listed as
recording not working, there isn't a reasonable expectation by the buyer).
While it's obviously easy to go to a store and purchase a cheap blank tape
(they're not that hard to find) to give it a quick test, it's very
understandable at this point that the seller might not have any blank tapes
around.
--
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Tue Dec  7 03:03:49 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:03:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
In-Reply-To: <006101c4db2c$a63435e0$ea3e6b51@Michael>
References: <200412051101.iB5B0sHP025945@zebra.naks.com>
	<006101c4db2c$a63435e0$ea3e6b51@Michael>
Message-ID: <41B50F85.3070803@woods-and-waters.com>

Hi Michael,

As an off-the-top-off-my-head idea, I'd check the following items (not 
necessarily in this order of probability):

1. The bias coupling circuitry on the low channel may have a problem, 
like a resistor out of tolerance.

2. Weak transistor in the record or playback amps.

3. Defective or dirty bias adjust pot.

4. Defective tape. I've seen Memorex and Fuji tapes exhibit this behavior.

5. Head azimuth, tangency or elevation misalignment.

6. Out of tolerance record level calibration, playback level calibration 
or bias calibration on the low channel.

7. Worn record/play head. Visually inspect the 'gap" to see if wear is 
uneven.

8. A resistor may be out of tolerance that sets either the gain of an 
amp stage OR that couples the record level control pot to the next stage 
of gain.

9. An emitter bypass capacitor may be out of tolerance.

10. One of the seemingly-innumerable connectors may be oxidized or dirty.

11. Wrong brand of adult beverage being consumed during use of the 
recorder, causing warped vision. Change adult beverage to Guinness. (I'm 
joking.)

Hope this helps!

N-Joy!


Michael G Martorana wrote:
> Hi Donald
> 
> I too have had a Nak 600 since the 1980's and agree that it is a very good
> machine but not as good as the later LX-3 which I also have.  Recently my
> 600 has started to give me some problems.  I no longer seem able to set the
> level on the Right channel to the same level as the left channel.  Using the
> tone I can set the left to the Dolby sign, 0db, but cannot set the right
> channel above -3db.  Does anyone have any idea what might be wrong?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Michael
> 
> PS  I would appreciate a copy of the service manual as I do not have one.
> 
> 
> 
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 4
>>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:09:27 +1300
>>From: "Donald Sangster" <donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Message-ID: <006501c4da67$14a57190$674a98de at tec>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>reply-type=original
>>
>>Hello All
>>
>>I have had a Nak 600 since 1985. It is a very good machine, but at present
>>my one is doing all sorts of horrible things. I have received a new
>>record/play head from B+W in the UK recently and it will go into the works
>>to get a playback fault and recording fault dealt with. Until now I had
>>maintained it, one new meter light, new motor, belts etc, and have a full
>>service manual on pdf if anybody wants a copy.
>>
>>I suspect the problem identified by Gra is a similar one to what mine is
>>doing, in that one of the boards gets dislodged and causing an internal
> 
> feed
> 
>>back (possibly by shorting one or more of the contacts) - if it is the
> 
> same
> 
>>as mine it will cook your speaker. The unit has a lot of circuit boards in
>>it.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Donald
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:54 PM
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Not mentioned very often ... I wonder if this is a mark of its
>>>reliability!
>>>
>>>Gra'
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>>>Behalf Of Wouter Heijke
>>>>Sent: 05 December 2004 00:47
>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>>Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not a Nak often discussed here the 600, i think one that's discussed
>>>>less then any other one!
>>>>Are there any owners out there that know how to fix one?
>>>>I came across one that when play is pressed with no tape loaded (!)
>>>>starts moving the meters, one more then the other.
>>>>Any leads hwo to fix this?
>>>>
>>>>Wouter
>>>>
>>>>
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From a10 at look.ca  Tue Dec  7 05:37:40 2004
From: a10 at look.ca (a10)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:37:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <E1CbX6a-000708-6a@jandor.look.ca>

Carlos, All,

Agreed--I think there are many people out there who are pretty clueless
about what they are selling ( and sometimes buying!), and in cases where the
seller is not willing to answer questions or allay any concerns the
prospective buyer may have, I'd say 'run like hell' too! I just think that
it is unreasonable to expect everyone else to care for and appreciate these
Naks to the same degree some of us here do, and lavish upon these machines
the kind of attention we feel they deserve. That goes for pretty much any
hobby people choose to geek out on. The onus remains on the person for whom
said item is valuable( i.e. potential buyer) to ask the right questions and
get them answered to his/her satisfaction. The seller doesn't have to give a
rat's arse what it is they're selling--their only real responsibility being
to get the 'best' price possible, field questions truthfully and
expeditiously ship whatever it is off once payment is made.:-)

It just seemed to me that some of the posts here were all too willing to 'go
negative' and impugn the seller's motives without giving him the benefit of
a doubt. Well, at least it seems that our discussion here has had one
collateral benefit--it has prompted him to actually try and tape something
on the deck, and it appears he's amended his ad with an addendum describing
the results. Check it out.

Carlos--Sorry to hear about your run in with that bad B710 MkII.  From your
description of the unfortunate event, it appears the seller in your case had
every deliberate intention to commit fraud in claiming that the unit was in
" perfectly working condition". Unfortunate indeed.

Best,
A

----------
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 9:38 PM


The problem with this situation are the people who doesn't know anything
about what they are selling and with the simple excuse of "I don't have a
tape to try it" justify anything. But I agree with you; nobody is putting a
gun to our heads,so, the best thing to do is to stay away from those bids.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: a10 <mailto:a10 at look.ca>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail

Dear ALEX!

See wot I mean by 'curmudgeony'?:-)

It's 'unfair' if the seller tells you that it works when it doesn't.  If he
says he doesn't know if it works clearly in the ad, how is it 'unfair'?
Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling that some here may have
unrealistically high expectations about sellers: First the original(or
second or third) owner will have to pamper the gear we want -- keep it in a
dust free, smoke free, temperature controlled environment for twenty years,
service it monthly, replace all the parts ( then oil and massage) just
before they put it up for sale AND don't they DARE charge too much for it
for their trouble..only what's deemed as 'fair', i.e. what we want to pay.

If we don't like what he's selling, no one's putting a gun to our heads to
buy. I dunno, but why is all this character assassination even necessary,
particularly when it is based entirely upon conjecture?


A

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From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 1:46 PM



Dear A!

Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, with
"NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the original
owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's "Unfair"
Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
l
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  7 06:33:58 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 07:33:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F11C46C071DFF3ACEEC214780B40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F2709E24CF7CC74ACACE5ECABB50@phx.gbl>

100% agree...more when the seller has 0 feedback!

ALEX!



>From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:47:49 -0600
>
>There is a key word in my post and that is the word "basic" with regard to 
>testing. That's as simple as hooking up the deck, inserting a tape, 
>pressing record and describing the result heard upon playback. That's not 
>asking much from a vendor. If the prospective buyer can't check the item in 
>person (generally assumed for eBay purchases) then one must rely on the 
>seller providing sufficient information critical to the purchase. If 
>someone can post an ad to ebay I suspect he or she can record a cassette 
>tape; maybe not an exquisitely balanced or finely equalized one, but 
>something adequate to know if it records or not.
>
>I'm merely suggesting that expecting the seller do such a simple yet 
>essential test up front is not unreasonable. (One could easily tell the 
>seller how, if need be and listen to the recording by phone, if necessary.) 
>If that tiny imposition somehow still cannot be accommodated by any seller 
>then I'd quickly say no thank you and move on, retaining my cash with no 
>burned fingers.
>
>Bob
>
>>From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:51:09 -0500
>>
>>All,
>>
>>While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
>>defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
>>somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a
>>1000zxl check routine.
>>
>>RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would
>>own such a deck in the first place.
>>
>>A
>>
>>----------
>>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM
>>
>>
>>100% Competly agree!
>>
>>For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, 
>>the
>>machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
>>all?...I'm wrong????????????
>>
>>ALEX!
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >To: naktalk at naks.com
>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>> >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
>> >
>> >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
>> >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
>> >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse
>> >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't 
>>(or
>> >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional
>> >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in 
>>the
>> >first place.
>> >
>> >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record 
>>function
>> >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise 
>>by
>> >the seller.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Bob
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  7 06:45:22 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 07:45:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <E1CbObQ-0001C7-FV@jandor.look.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F286059203DDEF483ACB17BABB50@phx.gbl>

Lovely A,

Don't me so mad...this seller want to sell a collector machine, looks almost 
new, I'm not 100% sure that he knows how tu use it IF YES...WHY he do not 
wrote that HE TEST it????. Sounds like me that "SELL AS IT"...and paying for 
sure near now $:2,000.00 for something that NOBODY knows that really DO 
SOMETHING...NOT only a PIECE of beuty machine..seems me UNFAIR.

However once, (1985) today I have a Dragon, I own the "Normal (1/2 price 
then!" black one, NOT this scarce gold one, and works ONE WEEK only, so my 
Dear A...if you want to spell your money go ahead and acquire this lovely 
machine for your "Collection".

Be well,

ALEX!



>From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:32:56 -0500
>
>Dear ALEX!
>
>See wot I mean by 'curmudgeony'?:-)
>
>It's 'unfair' if the seller tells you that it works when it doesn't.  If he
>says he doesn't know if it works clearly in the ad, how is it 'unfair'?
>Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling that some here may have
>unrealistically high expectations about sellers: First the original(or
>second or third) owner will have to pamper the gear we want -- keep it in a
>dust free, smoke free, temperature controlled environment for twenty years,
>service it monthly, replace all the parts ( then oil and massage) just
>before they put it up for sale AND don't they DARE charge too much for it
>for their trouble..only what's deemed as 'fair', i.e. what we want to pay.
>
>If we don't like what he's selling, no one's putting a gun to our heads to
>buy. I dunno, but why is all this character assassination even necessary,
>particularly when it is based entirely upon conjecture?
>
>
>A
>
>----------
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 1:46 PM
>
>
>
>Dear A!
>
>Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, with
>"NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the original
>owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's "Unfair"
>Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
>l
>ALEX!
>
>
>
> >From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:51:09 -0500
> >
> >All,
> >
> >While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
> >defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
> >somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around 
>a
> >1000zxl check routine.
> >
> >RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who 
>would
> >own such a deck in the first place.
> >
> >A
> >
> >----------
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM
> >
> >
> >100% Competly agree!
> >
> >For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, 
>the
> >machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
> >all?...I'm wrong????????????
> >
> >ALEX!
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> > >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
> > >
> > >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
> > >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
> > >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps 
>reverse
> > >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't
> >(or
> > >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic 
>functional
> > >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in
> >the
> > >first place.
> > >
> > >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record
> >function
> > >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise 
>by
> > >the seller.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Bob
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Dec  7 14:05:00 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:05:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-100 for sale!!!!
Message-ID: <00b401c4dc5d$5fbb0da0$c76523c8@g8nsv>

Hi guys!!!!!

I have a couple of Nakamichi BA-100upforsale....they are in their orinigal boxes...asking price US$75 plus shipping....Interested please contact me at fidelman at telcel.net.ve
 Feel free to ask what you and I also have pictures

Regards

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From tpfinn at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  7 11:20:28 2004
From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:20:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <E1CbPVU-0007bU-Pr@keymaster.look.ca>
Message-ID: <20041207102028.50337.qmail@web86508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Per chance is A10 the seller? or a Lawyer?
 
All that glistens is not so gold!
 
T

a10 <a10 at look.ca> wrote:
Bob,

Well, if we're parsing words here, then there's another key word in your post, and that would be, " for someone who would own such a deck in the first place ". Since the person who put up that ad ( at least I presume we're still talking about that, and only that, seller) has clearly stated that he is not the original owner of the deck, then the point is moot whether or not he should be able to do the functional testing ( 'basic' or otherwise) prior to posting the ad.

If I have not made it abundantly clear in any of my posts that I do not for an instance dispute the buyer's right to ask that said item be tested, then I apologise. Of course I would entreat anyone who might be thinking of buying the item ask that the function be tested, and be ready to expect the worse and walk away should the seller demur. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding, and I thought you were implying that he should have tested it prior to putting it up for sale, rather than simply being willing to test it should a prospective buyer ask. The latter I wholeheartedly agree with, but in the former case, I feel it is certainly not the seller's responsibility so long as s/he makes those terms explicitly clear in the ad to sell.

A



----------
From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 2:47 PM


There is a key word in my post and that is the word "basic" with regard to 
testing. That's as simple as hooking up the deck, inserting a tape, pressing 
record and describing the result heard upon playback. That's not asking much 
from a vendor. If the prospective buyer can't check the item in person 
(generally assumed for eBay purchases) then one must rely on the seller 
providing sufficient information critical to the purchase. If someone can 
post an ad to ebay I suspect he or she can record a cassette tape; maybe not 
an exquisitely balanced or finely equalized one, but something adequate to 
know if it records or not.

I'm merely suggesting that expecting the seller do such a simple yet 
essential test up front is not unreasonable. (One could easily tell the 
seller how, if need be and listen to the recording by phone, if necessary.) 
If that tiny imposition somehow still cannot be accommodated by any seller 
then I'd quickly say no thank you and move on, retaining my cash with no 
burned fingers.

Bob

>From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:51:09 -0500
>
>All,
>
>While I agree wholeheartedly with Bob's post, in this particular seller's
>defence, he did make it clear that he is not the original owner, and thus
>somewhat absolved of any responsibility of having to know his way around a
>1000zxl check routine.
>
>RE:" Basic functional testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would
>own such a deck in the first place.
>
>A
>
>----------
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 8:43 AM
>
>
>100% Competly agree!
>
>For so..., The "Buyer"...MUST be at the "Vendor" home to check IF!!!!!, the
>machine really works in any form? Seems me a little bit NOT easy at
>all?...I'm wrong????????????
>
>ALEX!
>
>
>
> >From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:41:41 -0600
> >
> >I've always figured that any time a claim is made that a particularly
> >essential function of an expensive item "hasn't been tested" is that it
> >usually has been tested and is the reason it's for sale. Perhaps reverse
> >psychology where the vendor genuinely wishes it wasn't broken but can't 
>(or
> >won't) put it into words due to nostalgia (or stealth). Basic functional
> >testing shouldn't be difficult for someone who would own such a deck in 
>the
> >first place.
> >
> >I recommend any potential purchasers to expect the untested record 
>function
> >to be non-functional or repair unfeasible until demonstrated otherwise by
> >the seller.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Bob
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From a10 at look.ca  Tue Dec  7 14:16:17 2004
From: a10 at look.ca (a10)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:16:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <E1CbfCU-0005Bu-Au@jandor.look.ca>

Darling Alex,

Wot a tempest in a teapot!:-)

It appears to me that we have a persistent problem in communication here. As
this is most likely boring the rest of the people here to tears, I shall
reiterate this once, and do with it as you will:

a) The seller had explicitly stated in the original ad that he tested the
playback, but not the record function. He did not say that had tested
record, and found it working, in which case he may have been lying. He did
not at anytime, state in the ad that he would not test record should the
prospective buyer request that he do so.

b) Nobody, least of all the seller, is asking ( as far as I can see) anyone
of us to pay $2000 for it. In fact, he has not asked anybody to pay $2000.
The people who have bid on it are the ones who have bid $2000 ( and it is
most likely to go even higher before the end), and are thus offering him the
money in an attempt to acquire the item, in the condition as described
within the ad. I don't get it: Somebody offers something for sale, says, " I
know this works, I dunno whether that does..". One chap says, " I'll pay you
X dollars!" and another says, " I'll pay you Y!" What's UNFAIR about that?
It's 'unfair' that they ( the buyers, not you, not I ) want to pay so much
for something that may only do 50% of what it was originally designed to do?
What's unfair about that? The seller has not  set a price. The buyers are
the ones doing so. Are you suggesting that it is unfair that the buyers want
to spend their money this way?

c) I have to say this again: Nobody is putting a gun to anybody's head to
buy. Nobody has put a gun to anybody's head and said , " You have to pay XYZ
dollars for it!" What is 'unfair' about this? Or are we both simply using
the word 'unfair' differently?

Anyway, if anyone is still remotely interested by now, the seller ( prompted
by the unsubstantiated sniping and innuendo here) has since tested the
'record' function, and described the results. Now you are free to make
further pronouncements as to its 'fairness'.

I mean honestly...we see so few of these beauties as it is. Instead of
revelling in the discovery, here we are, mere spectators ( at least I think
nobody here is bidding, are they?) grousing about dying orange caps and old
circuit boards, and ascribing less-than-honest intentions to someone we
don't even know--weird.

I'm not mad really, just kinda perplexed about human nature. :-)

Best,
A

----------
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 12:45 AM


Lovely A,

Don't me so mad...this seller want to sell a collector machine, looks almost
new, I'm not 100% sure that he knows how tu use it IF YES...WHY he do not
wrote that HE TEST it????. Sounds like me that "SELL AS IT"...and paying for
sure near now $:2,000.00 for something that NOBODY knows that really DO
SOMETHING...NOT only a PIECE of beuty machine..seems me UNFAIR.

However once, (1985) today I have a Dragon, I own the "Normal (1/2 price
then!" black one, NOT this scarce gold one, and works ONE WEEK only, so my
Dear A...if you want to spell your money go ahead and acquire this lovely
machine for your "Collection".

Be well,

ALEX!



>From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:32:56 -0500
>
>Dear ALEX!
>
>See wot I mean by 'curmudgeony'?:-)
>
>It's 'unfair' if the seller tells you that it works when it doesn't.  If he
>says he doesn't know if it works clearly in the ad, how is it 'unfair'?
>Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling that some here may have
>unrealistically high expectations about sellers: First the original(or
>second or third) owner will have to pamper the gear we want -- keep it in a
>dust free, smoke free, temperature controlled environment for twenty years,
>service it monthly, replace all the parts ( then oil and massage) just
>before they put it up for sale AND don't they DARE charge too much for it
>for their trouble..only what's deemed as 'fair', i.e. what we want to pay.
>
>If we don't like what he's selling, no one's putting a gun to our heads to
>buy. I dunno, but why is all this character assassination even necessary,
>particularly when it is based entirely upon conjecture?
>
>
>A
>
>----------
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 1:46 PM
>
>
>
>Dear A!
>
>Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, with
>"NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the original
>owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's "Unfair"
>Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
>l
>ALEX!
>
>
>
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From nakmaniak at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  7 15:43:58 2004
From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (nak maniak)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 06:43:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <20041207144358.46449.qmail@web13621.mail.yahoo.com>


I'd definitely run to get blank or even erase the one used for playback
testing to ensure machine get more bid$$, recording is very easy to
test.

Without making any assumptions about the seller ... I'm 90% quite sure
recording section needs some work as even a small orange caps glitch
can render whole auto adjustment / recording function useless ... the
worst thing would be one discontinued static ram chip went bad.

Now, for that little shameless plug ... to anybody here who considered
bidding, I'm offering 90% perfect working no missing button golden zxl
which still make indistinguishable recording ... for a little less =) 
his is more shiny though. =) =) =) 

BTW is it true that only 100 were made ??

Cheers,
Salim SM

PS:  these twins here have better description and look great !
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5732727340&rd=1


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <greynolds at newsguy.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> 
> If the seller says "perfect playback, but recording untested",
playback
> should be expected to work, recording should be assumed to be not
working,
> and the maximum bid you make should be adjusted accordingly.  It's in
the
> seller's best interest to test recording both because if it works and
is
> mentioned the winning bid is likely to be higher and there's less
chance of
> getting negative feedback due to a misunderstanding (if it is listed
as
> recording not working, there isn't a reasonable expectation by the
buyer).
> While it's obviously easy to go to a store and purchase a cheap blank
tape
> (they're not that hard to find) to give it a quick test, it's very
> understandable at this point that the seller might not have any blank
tapes
> around.
> --
> Geoffrey Reynolds


		
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From nakmaniak at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  7 16:07:59 2004
From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (nak maniak)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:07:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 woes
Message-ID: <20041207150759.8872.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com>


You're right, something bad inside reel motor, usually dirty
commutator, can be solved by a complete disassembly and cleaning - or
by replacing with a bx reel motor (they match) if you can't find a new
one.

Getting the mechanism out is a bit hassle for CR7 but if you can do it
then replacing motor should be easier, just be careful with some tiny
springs and washers.  You'd need to get the complete reel motor +
mounting plate out held by 4 screws behind front black plate.  Let me
know if you need more schematics.

Good luck !
Salim SM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Berger" <jberger at well.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> 
> Second issue: sometimes while playing, the takeup spindle will stop
> turning and the deck will drop back to stop.  At this point, it will
not
> ff/rew/play.  I put a mark on the gear attached to the takeup reel
motor
> and found that there appears to be a "dead spot" of about 60 degrees;
if
> the motor is stopped with the rotor in that zone it will fail to
restart.
> Move it out of the zone, and it works OK.  I'm thinking dirty
commutator
> on the motor?  Remove, disassemble, polish, and reassemble?
> 
> It looks like most of the transport needs to be disassembled to get
this
> motor out; can anyone with a service manual or hands-on confirm this?
 Are
> there other models of decks that use  this same transport, and would
it be
> easier to cannibalize the motor from, say, a BX-100 (assuming it was
a
> match)? Would this be easier than fine motor disassembly, or should I
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From man626 at webtv.net  Tue Dec  7 16:32:01 2004
From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:32:01 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk  The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: naktalk-request@naks.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:08:16
	+0100
Message-ID: <10271-41B5CCF1-1479@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>

I agree with B.Stocker on this. Sheesh,the guy couldnt even buy one
thing on E-Bay first to 'stablish at least a "1" feedback and some
rapport, and knowlwedge of the process.This is the type of listing that
is a potenial scam.If someone is willing to drop that kind of cash on
this unit,wouldnt it be worth the extra money to buy a round trip ticket
to the sellers city and pick it up?Would he allow that?Hmmm,perhaps not
eh?In any event, what is it about this unit that differntiates it from a
black face 1000zxl?Is there something different in the circuitry or is
it the the rarity and cosmetics?Why not buy a regular 1000zxl in perfect
condition for much less,have the cabinet refinished in piano veneer,and
have it gold plated?Anyway,when the economy crashes,it wont be worth any
less than the real 1000zxl limited.By the way,The reason i mention this
is because i am in the process of having my military drab Tube Pas
Pre-amp powder coated a beautiful black,and I am considering refinishing
the wood cabinet on my 700  tritracer and having the front panel gold
plated, or at least powder coated .Just cant figure out how to mark the
dials yet.



From vzeoinle at verizon.net  Tue Dec  7 16:44:14 2004
From: vzeoinle at verizon.net (vzeoinle at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:44:14 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <20041207154414.JONF1390.out001.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

Enough already!

John T.

> From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
> Date: 2004/12/07 Tue PM 01:16:17 GMT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> 
> Darling Alex,
> 
> Wot a tempest in a teapot!:-)
> 
> It appears to me that we have a persistent problem in communication here. As
> this is most likely boring the rest of the people here to tears, I shall
> reiterate this once, and do with it as you will:
> 
> a) The seller had explicitly stated in the original ad that he tested the
> playback, but not the record function. He did not say that had tested
> record, and found it working, in which case he may have been lying. He did
> not at anytime, state in the ad that he would not test record should the
> prospective buyer request that he do so.
> 
> b) Nobody, least of all the seller, is asking ( as far as I can see) anyone
> of us to pay $2000 for it. In fact, he has not asked anybody to pay $2000.
> The people who have bid on it are the ones who have bid $2000 ( and it is
> most likely to go even higher before the end), and are thus offering him the
> money in an attempt to acquire the item, in the condition as described
> within the ad. I don't get it: Somebody offers something for sale, says, " I
> know this works, I dunno whether that does..". One chap says, " I'll pay you
> X dollars!" and another says, " I'll pay you Y!" What's UNFAIR about that?
> It's 'unfair' that they ( the buyers, not you, not I ) want to pay so much
> for something that may only do 50% of what it was originally designed to do?
> What's unfair about that? The seller has not  set a price. The buyers are
> the ones doing so. Are you suggesting that it is unfair that the buyers want
> to spend their money this way?
> 
> c) I have to say this again: Nobody is putting a gun to anybody's head to
> buy. Nobody has put a gun to anybody's head and said , " You have to pay XYZ
> dollars for it!" What is 'unfair' about this? Or are we both simply using
> the word 'unfair' differently?
> 
> Anyway, if anyone is still remotely interested by now, the seller ( prompted
> by the unsubstantiated sniping and innuendo here) has since tested the
> 'record' function, and described the results. Now you are free to make
> further pronouncements as to its 'fairness'.
> 
> I mean honestly...we see so few of these beauties as it is. Instead of
> revelling in the discovery, here we are, mere spectators ( at least I think
> nobody here is bidding, are they?) grousing about dying orange caps and old
> circuit boards, and ascribing less-than-honest intentions to someone we
> don't even know--weird.
> 
> I'm not mad really, just kinda perplexed about human nature. :-)
> 
> Best,
> A
> 
> ----------
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 12:45 AM
> 
> 
> Lovely A,
> 
> Don't me so mad...this seller want to sell a collector machine, looks almost
> new, I'm not 100% sure that he knows how tu use it IF YES...WHY he do not
> wrote that HE TEST it????. Sounds like me that "SELL AS IT"...and paying for
> sure near now $:2,000.00 for something that NOBODY knows that really DO
> SOMETHING...NOT only a PIECE of beuty machine..seems me UNFAIR.
> 
> However once, (1985) today I have a Dragon, I own the "Normal (1/2 price
> then!" black one, NOT this scarce gold one, and works ONE WEEK only, so my
> Dear A...if you want to spell your money go ahead and acquire this lovely
> machine for your "Collection".
> 
> Be well,
> 
> ALEX!
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:32:56 -0500
> >
> >Dear ALEX!
> >
> >See wot I mean by 'curmudgeony'?:-)
> >
> >It's 'unfair' if the seller tells you that it works when it doesn't.  If he
> >says he doesn't know if it works clearly in the ad, how is it 'unfair'?
> >Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling that some here may have
> >unrealistically high expectations about sellers: First the original(or
> >second or third) owner will have to pamper the gear we want -- keep it in a
> >dust free, smoke free, temperature controlled environment for twenty years,
> >service it monthly, replace all the parts ( then oil and massage) just
> >before they put it up for sale AND don't they DARE charge too much for it
> >for their trouble..only what's deemed as 'fair', i.e. what we want to pay.
> >
> >If we don't like what he's selling, no one's putting a gun to our heads to
> >buy. I dunno, but why is all this character assassination even necessary,
> >particularly when it is based entirely upon conjecture?
> >
> >
> >A
> >
> >----------
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 1:46 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear A!
> >
> >Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, with
> >"NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the original
> >owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's "Unfair"
> >Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
> >l
> >ALEX!
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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From a10 at look.ca  Tue Dec  7 17:28:33 2004
From: a10 at look.ca (a10)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 11:28:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Message-ID: <E1CbiCY-0002AK-2k@gozer.look.ca>

Ahoy Terry!

Yet more suspicious minds at play.:-)

Neither! Just someone who thinks it is 'UNFAIR' to go on a semi-public forum
and project suspicions and ascribe less-than-honourable intentions to a
seemingly harmless individual who's trying to sell something he apparently
got in a windfall.

What could the motive possibly be -- Envy?

Do people even bother to read posts through ( or follow a thread ) before
responding any more? Did anyone even bother to read through the entire E bay
ad before taking pot shots?

Best,
A

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From: TERRY FINN <tpfinn at btinternet.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 5:20 AM


Per chance is A10 the seller? or a Lawyer?

All that glistens is not so gold!

T

a10 <a10 at look.ca> wrote:
Bob,

Well, if we're parsing words here, then there's another key word in your
post, and that would be, " for someone who would own such a deck in the
first place ". Since the person who put up that ad ( at least I presume
we're still talking about that, and only that, seller) has clearly stated
that he is not the original owner of the deck, then the point is moot
whether or not he should be able to do the functional testing ( 'basic' or
otherwise) prior to posting the ad.

If I have not made it abundantly clear in any of my posts that I do not for
an instance dispute the buyer's right to ask that said item be tested, then
I apologise. Of course I would entreat anyone who might be thinking of
buying the item ask that the function be tested, and be ready to expect the
worse and walk away should the seller demur. Perhaps there has been a
misunderstanding, and I thought you were implying that he should have tested
it prior to putting it up for sale, rather than simply being willing to test
it should a prospective buyer ask. The latter I wholeheartedly agree with,
but in the former case, I feel it is certainly not the seller's
responsibility so long as s/he makes those terms explicitly clear in the ad
to sell.

A



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From greynolds at newsguy.com  Tue Dec  7 17:42:05 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:42:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk  The Holy Grail
References: <10271-41B5CCF1-1479@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001201c4dc7b$b4420450$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com>

If you don't like the listing, don't bid on it.  If you don't trust someone
who doesn't have some feedback built up (1 feedback doesn't inspire any more
confidence than 0 feedback), don't bid on it.  It's as simple as that.

The guy seems to be a bit on the flowery side in his description, but
there's no evidence of being shady IMO.

Whatever happened until innocent until proven guilty?

Personally, I think anyone who pays $2000+ for the deck in question is
probably a bit nuts, but it's their choice.
--
Geoffrey Reynolds

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <man626 at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:32 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk The Holy Grail


> I agree with B.Stocker on this. Sheesh,the guy couldnt even buy one
> thing on E-Bay first to 'stablish at least a "1" feedback and some
> rapport, and knowlwedge of the process.This is the type of listing that
> is a potenial scam.If someone is willing to drop that kind of cash on
> this unit,wouldnt it be worth the extra money to buy a round trip ticket
> to the sellers city and pick it up?Would he allow that?Hmmm,perhaps not
> eh?In any event, what is it about this unit that differntiates it from a
> black face 1000zxl?Is there something different in the circuitry or is
> it the the rarity and cosmetics?Why not buy a regular 1000zxl in perfect
> condition for much less,have the cabinet refinished in piano veneer,and
> have it gold plated?Anyway,when the economy crashes,it wont be worth any
> less than the real 1000zxl limited.By the way,The reason i mention this
> is because i am in the process of having my military drab Tube Pas
> Pre-amp powder coated a beautiful black,and I am considering refinishing
> the wood cabinet on my 700  tritracer and having the front panel gold
> plated, or at least powder coated .Just cant figure out how to mark the
> dials yet.
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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  7 21:03:13 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:03:13 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <E1CbX6a-000708-6a@jandor.look.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F24435D2BFCE533D198E24080B50@phx.gbl>

When I see an audiophile item selling for a few thousand on eBay my 
expectations of how it is described WILL be high. I don't know if the seller 
bought the item, inherited the item, won it in a raffle, found it in thrift 
store (or dumpster), or stole it. The common thread of this forum is helping 
others avoid trouble with our Naks and other high-end equipment. I'm 
cautious about a seller, or more specifically about the sales technique, 
because I don't see an indication that the seller will be more specific 
about the very feature for which one would purchase the deck. I'm reminded 
of an actual used car ad where the text states "[engine] runs good, great 
condition" and the photo shows the wheel-less car up on cinder blocks. So, 
yes, I do expect someone who sells an item to know something about it; even 
if that involves a little internet research and asking questions like we do 
on this forum all the time. Knowledge about a product can make it more 
profitable to the seller.

My expectations of the seller, any seller, were I a prospective customer of 
this item, no parsing:

Hook up deck to record audio source using, if necessary, the same two cables 
used to test the playback. Insert blank tape. Record audio sample by 
pressing clearly labeled button. Describe recorded audio sample quality in 
advertisement after pressing another clearly labeled button. That's it, and 
not much to ask for a thousand or so dollar purchase.

There's nothing stopping anyone "hoping it works" from buying it. I'll be 
cutting the cards if I'm to be the one buying it. I wouldn't want to hurt 
the tape deck's feelings but that's the way it would be.

Bob




From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Dec  8 08:03:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:03:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <20041207154414.JONF1390.out001.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <006801c4dcf3$f8205a50$1f773242@CopyTech>

SSSHHHH ! Be careful guys, John is the Nak List police and he's mad now ... 
Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <vzeoinle at verizon.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


> Enough already!
>
> John T.
>
>> From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>> Date: 2004/12/07 Tue PM 01:16:17 GMT
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>>
>> Darling Alex,
>>
>> Wot a tempest in a teapot!:-)
>>
>> It appears to me that we have a persistent problem in communication here. 
>> As
>> this is most likely boring the rest of the people here to tears, I shall
>> reiterate this once, and do with it as you will:
>>
>> a) The seller had explicitly stated in the original ad that he tested the
>> playback, but not the record function. He did not say that had tested
>> record, and found it working, in which case he may have been lying. He 
>> did
>> not at anytime, state in the ad that he would not test record should the
>> prospective buyer request that he do so.
>>
>> b) Nobody, least of all the seller, is asking ( as far as I can see) 
>> anyone
>> of us to pay $2000 for it. In fact, he has not asked anybody to pay 
>> $2000.
>> The people who have bid on it are the ones who have bid $2000 ( and it is
>> most likely to go even higher before the end), and are thus offering him 
>> the
>> money in an attempt to acquire the item, in the condition as described
>> within the ad. I don't get it: Somebody offers something for sale, says, 
>> " I
>> know this works, I dunno whether that does..". One chap says, " I'll pay 
>> you
>> X dollars!" and another says, " I'll pay you Y!" What's UNFAIR about 
>> that?
>> It's 'unfair' that they ( the buyers, not you, not I ) want to pay so 
>> much
>> for something that may only do 50% of what it was originally designed to 
>> do?
>> What's unfair about that? The seller has not  set a price. The buyers are
>> the ones doing so. Are you suggesting that it is unfair that the buyers 
>> want
>> to spend their money this way?
>>
>> c) I have to say this again: Nobody is putting a gun to anybody's head to
>> buy. Nobody has put a gun to anybody's head and said , " You have to pay 
>> XYZ
>> dollars for it!" What is 'unfair' about this? Or are we both simply using
>> the word 'unfair' differently?
>>
>> Anyway, if anyone is still remotely interested by now, the seller ( 
>> prompted
>> by the unsubstantiated sniping and innuendo here) has since tested the
>> 'record' function, and described the results. Now you are free to make
>> further pronouncements as to its 'fairness'.
>>
>> I mean honestly...we see so few of these beauties as it is. Instead of
>> revelling in the discovery, here we are, mere spectators ( at least I 
>> think
>> nobody here is bidding, are they?) grousing about dying orange caps and 
>> old
>> circuit boards, and ascribing less-than-honest intentions to someone we
>> don't even know--weird.
>>
>> I'm not mad really, just kinda perplexed about human nature. :-)
>>
>> Best,
>> A
>>
>> ----------
>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>> Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 12:45 AM
>>
>>
>> Lovely A,
>>
>> Don't me so mad...this seller want to sell a collector machine, looks 
>> almost
>> new, I'm not 100% sure that he knows how tu use it IF YES...WHY he do not
>> wrote that HE TEST it????. Sounds like me that "SELL AS IT"...and paying 
>> for
>> sure near now $:2,000.00 for something that NOBODY knows that really DO
>> SOMETHING...NOT only a PIECE of beuty machine..seems me UNFAIR.
>>
>> However once, (1985) today I have a Dragon, I own the "Normal (1/2 price
>> then!" black one, NOT this scarce gold one, and works ONE WEEK only, so 
>> my
>> Dear A...if you want to spell your money go ahead and acquire this lovely
>> machine for your "Collection".
>>
>> Be well,
>>
>> ALEX!
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>> >Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:32:56 -0500
>> >
>> >Dear ALEX!
>> >
>> >See wot I mean by 'curmudgeony'?:-)
>> >
>> >It's 'unfair' if the seller tells you that it works when it doesn't.  If 
>> >he
>> >says he doesn't know if it works clearly in the ad, how is it 'unfair'?
>> >Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling that some here may have
>> >unrealistically high expectations about sellers: First the original(or
>> >second or third) owner will have to pamper the gear we want -- keep it 
>> >in a
>> >dust free, smoke free, temperature controlled environment for twenty 
>> >years,
>> >service it monthly, replace all the parts ( then oil and massage) just
>> >before they put it up for sale AND don't they DARE charge too much for 
>> >it
>> >for their trouble..only what's deemed as 'fair', i.e. what we want to 
>> >pay.
>> >
>> >If we don't like what he's selling, no one's putting a gun to our heads 
>> >to
>> >buy. I dunno, but why is all this character assassination even 
>> >necessary,
>> >particularly when it is based entirely upon conjecture?
>> >
>> >
>> >A
>> >
>> >----------
>> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> >To: naktalk at naks.com
>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>> >Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 1:46 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Dear A!
>> >
>> >Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, 
>> >with
>> >"NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the original
>> >owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's 
>> >"Unfair"
>> >Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
>> >l
>> >ALEX!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>


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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Dec  8 07:32:30 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:32:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BA-100 for sale!!!!
Message-ID: <s1b6bc31.095@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Isy,

Just to clarify, what are BA 100s?  Many thanks,

Marc

>>> "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve> 12/07/04 03:05PM >>>
Hi guys!!!!!

I have a couple of Nakamichi BA-100upforsale....they are in their
orinigal boxes...asking price US$75 plus shipping....Interested please
contact me at fidelman at telcel.net.ve 
 Feel free to ask what you and I also have pictures

Regards

Isy

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From michael.martorana at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec  8 01:20:40 2004
From: michael.martorana at ntlworld.com (Michael G Martorana)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:20:40 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 600 common problems?
References: <200412071100.iB7B0kHP001295@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <007401c4dcbb$c1477fa0$ea3e6b51@Michael>

Hi all

Would just like to thank everyone for their suggestions regarding my
problem.  Shouldn't take me more than a couple of years to work through this
lot! :)

Cheers

Michael

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> From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
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> Hi Michael,
>
> As an off-the-top-off-my-head idea, I'd check the following items (not
> necessarily in this order of probability):
>
> 1. The bias coupling circuitry on the low channel may have a problem,
> like a resistor out of tolerance.
>
> 2. Weak transistor in the record or playback amps.
>
> 3. Defective or dirty bias adjust pot.
>
> 4. Defective tape. I've seen Memorex and Fuji tapes exhibit this behavior.
>
> 5. Head azimuth, tangency or elevation misalignment.
>
> 6. Out of tolerance record level calibration, playback level calibration
> or bias calibration on the low channel.
>
> 7. Worn record/play head. Visually inspect the 'gap" to see if wear is
> uneven.
>
> 8. A resistor may be out of tolerance that sets either the gain of an
> amp stage OR that couples the record level control pot to the next stage
> of gain.
>
> 9. An emitter bypass capacitor may be out of tolerance.
>
> 10. One of the seemingly-innumerable connectors may be oxidized or dirty.
>
> 11. Wrong brand of adult beverage being consumed during use of the
> recorder, causing warped vision. Change adult beverage to Guinness. (I'm
> joking.)
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> N-Joy!
>
>
> Michael G Martorana wrote:
> > Hi Donald
> >
> > I too have had a Nak 600 since the 1980's and agree that it is a very
good
> > machine but not as good as the later LX-3 which I also have.  Recently
my
> > 600 has started to give me some problems.  I no longer seem able to set
the
> > level on the Right channel to the same level as the left channel.  Using
the
> > tone I can set the left to the Dolby sign, 0db, but cannot set the right
> > channel above -3db.  Does anyone have any idea what might be wrong?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > PS  I would appreciate a copy of the service manual as I do not have
one.
> >
> >
> >
> >>------------------------------
> >>
> >>Message: 4
> >>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:09:27 +1300
> >>From: "Donald Sangster" <donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz>
> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>Message-ID: <006501c4da67$14a57190$674a98de at tec>
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >>reply-type=original
> >>
> >>Hello All
> >>
> >>I have had a Nak 600 since 1985. It is a very good machine, but at
present
> >>my one is doing all sorts of horrible things. I have received a new
> >>record/play head from B+W in the UK recently and it will go into the
works
> >>to get a playback fault and recording fault dealt with. Until now I had
> >>maintained it, one new meter light, new motor, belts etc, and have a
full
> >>service manual on pdf if anybody wants a copy.
> >>
> >>I suspect the problem identified by Gra is a similar one to what mine is
> >>doing, in that one of the boards gets dislodged and causing an internal
> >
> > feed
> >
> >>back (possibly by shorting one or more of the contacts) - if it is the
> >
> > same
> >
> >>as mine it will cook your speaker. The unit has a lot of circuit boards
in
> >>it.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>
> >>Donald
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:54 PM
> >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Not mentioned very often ... I wonder if this is a mark of its
> >>>reliability!
> >>>
> >>>Gra'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >>>>Behalf Of Wouter Heijke
> >>>>Sent: 05 December 2004 00:47
> >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
> >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 common problems?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Not a Nak often discussed here the 600, i think one that's discussed
> >>>>less then any other one!
> >>>>Are there any owners out there that know how to fix one?
> >>>>I came across one that when play is pressed with no tape loaded (!)
> >>>>starts moving the meters, one more then the other.
> >>>>Any leads hwo to fix this?
> >>>>
> >>>>Wouter
> >>>>
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From enoyes at snet.net  Wed Dec  8 04:32:13 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:32:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Moldy Grail
In-Reply-To: <E1CbiCY-0002AK-2k@gozer.look.ca>
References: <E1CbiCY-0002AK-2k@gozer.look.ca>
Message-ID: <41B675BD.40002@snet.net>

The fact is that this is nothing more than an auction for an interesting 
item that we all know that none of us is most likely going to bid on. 
Regardless of whether or not the fellow who acquired this knows nothing 
or everything about its condition also carries nearly no relevance when 
there are at least a few burn victims among us from such money pits as 
these decks. Of course someone is going to spend a stupid amount of 
money on this machine... and it might even be someone who doesn't even 
care if it records because he is not in it for the same reason as any of 
us. With this who auction having little more value than a curio and 
perhaps point of conjecture, I am amazed at the amount of bandwidth, not 
to mention sharpness of the commentary. Perhaps we can agree that the 
character of the seller or capacity to check this out really has no 
relevance to to any bid that any of us was actually going to place. Can 
we move on?

Of course if we were getting in line for a mint Dragon bidding at $400 
and the buyer "couldn't" test the recording... well, who cares... at 
that price.

Ed

a10 wrote:

> Ahoy Terry!
>
> Yet more suspicious minds at play.:-)
>
> Neither! Just someone who thinks it is 'UNFAIR' to go on a semi-public 
> forum and project suspicions and ascribe less-than-honourable 
> intentions to a seemingly harmless individual who's trying to sell 
> something he apparently got in a windfall.
>
> What could the motive possibly be -- Envy?
>
> Do people even bother to read posts through ( or follow a thread ) 
> before responding any more? Did anyone even bother to read through the 
> entire E bay ad before taking pot shots?
>
> Best,
> A
>
> ----------
> From: TERRY FINN <tpfinn at btinternet.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 5:20 AM
>
>
>     Per chance is A10 the seller? or a Lawyer?
>      
>     All that glistens is not so gold!
>      
>     T
>
>     a10 <a10 at look.ca> wrote:
>
>         Bob,
>
>         Well, if we're parsing words here, then there's another key
>         word in your post, and that would be, " for someone who would
>         own such a deck in the first place ". Since the person who put
>         up that ad ( at least I presume we're still talking about
>         that, and only that, seller) has clearly stated that he is not
>         the original owner of the deck, then the point is moot whether
>         or not he should be able to do the functional testing (
>         'basic' or otherwise) prior to posting the ad.
>
>         If I have not made it abundantly clear in any of my posts that
>         I do not for an instance dispute the buyer's right to ask that
>         said item be tested, then I apologise. Of course I would
>         entreat anyone who might be thinking of buying the item ask
>         that the function be tested, and be ready to expect the worse
>         and walk away should the seller demur. Perhaps there has been
>         a misunderstanding, and I thought you were implying that he
>         should have tested it prior to putting it up for sale, rather
>         than simply being willing to test it should a prospective
>         buyer ask. The latter I wholeheartedly agree with, but in the
>         former case, I feel it is certainly not the seller's
>         responsibility so long as s/he makes those terms explicitly
>         clear in the ad to sell.
>
>         A
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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  8 10:47:40 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:47:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <E1CbiCY-0002AK-2k@gozer.look.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV1EF37147DD5F5C1772D31B3B60@phx.gbl>

Re: [naktalk] The Holy GrailHello all,
you seem to be angry on this guy, who is offering that 1000ZXL Limited...
Some would expect more expert knowledge from that ghetto-guy, but be aware: he is NOT expert of that machine (as many of us are not too), but he IS definitely a very lucky guy to get that machine from anyone (but we do not know how much -if at all- he payed for that deck).

Many of us would be very-very happy to GET that deck, but some of us already know that this is a nightmare to keep that machine is usable condition.
I would be very happy to GET that unit, but would be never able to keep is serviced all the time, and care about as much as it deserves.

In my opinion, we are simply envy of this guy, he got a nice unit, and will sell that for a fortune (the present price -many days still left to go!- is my 3 month net salary...).
Personally me, being really envy to have such a unit, but for many people bidding on this it is needed only for a show-item. That unit is something like a jewel not much like a usable and practical deck. Those who can afford to have such a jewel will bid on/buy that, but we, Nakkers would be happy to know if this jewel is able to make good recordings as expected, and maybe some of us would bid also (not me, sorry).

This case is not the one when a real-minded Nakker would expect, but such is life. That ghetto-guy will be very happy to get extra money for the unit, but in this case I would not accuse that guy for being not-fair. He is NOT unfair, he is simply not able to complete ALL the expectations needed by the "Expert"-Nakkers. I would be not able also... too many things can be wrong in that unit without knowing anything about that...

And he is very-very lucky!
That's all from me...
Best regards,
István
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: a10 
  To: terry at affinityaudio.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 5:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


  Ahoy Terry!

  Yet more suspicious minds at play.:-)

  Neither! Just someone who thinks it is 'UNFAIR' to go on a semi-public forum and project suspicions and ascribe less-than-honourable intentions to a seemingly harmless individual who's trying to sell something he apparently got in a windfall.

  What could the motive possibly be -- Envy?

  Do people even bother to read posts through ( or follow a thread ) before responding any more? Did anyone even bother to read through the entire E bay ad before taking pot shots?

  Best,
  A

  ----------
  From: TERRY FINN <tpfinn at btinternet.com>
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
  Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 5:20 AM



    Per chance is A10 the seller? or a Lawyer?
     
    All that glistens is not so gold!
     
    T

    a10 <a10 at look.ca> wrote:

      Bob,

      Well, if we're parsing words here, then there's another key word in your post, and that would be, " for someone who would own such a deck in the first place ". Since the person who put up that ad ( at least I presume we're still talking about that, and only that, seller) has clearly stated that he is not the original owner of the deck, then the point is moot whether or not he should be able to do the functional testing ( 'basic' or otherwise) prior to posting the ad.

      If I have not made it abundantly clear in any of my posts that I do not for an instance dispute the buyer's right to ask that said item be tested, then I apologise. Of course I would entreat anyone who might be thinking of buying the item ask that the function be tested, and be ready to expect the worse and walk away should the seller demur. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding, and I thought you were implying that he should have tested it prior to putting it up for sale, rather than simply being willing to test it should a prospective buyer ask. The latter I wholeheartedly agree with, but in the former case, I feel it is certainly not the seller's responsibility so long as s/he makes those terms explicitly clear in the ad to sell.

      A






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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Wed Dec  8 15:06:25 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:06:25 EST
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP!!! REVOX B 710 Mark 1 CASSETTE DECK Service
	Manual PDF Form
Message-ID: <1ee.3086594f.2ee86461@aol.com>

HI Guy,    A couple of months a go a nice nakker sent me a link to a Revox 
site where they had  the service manual that could be downloaded in PDF form 
which could be downloaded at a certain time , unfortunately I lost that web 
address, will some kindly give it to me again! it will be greatly appreciated!  I 
am trying to fix my Revox B-710 Mk1 cassette deck with 4 direct drive motors!! 
3 heads. Problem is the clock, timer and display is not working , the 
electronic digital counter does count and record does not work! but! it plays tape 
beautifully!! with great sound. The fast fowward/rewind also work but since the 
tape counter dont work the sensor stops the fast foward/rewind.  Any kind help 
as to what might be wrong with this beauty will also be greatly appreciated.

I have two Nakamichi a 700 ZXL and a dragon both of which are working great 
!! wish this revox was working too!  I kinda like it!!  Thanks!!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Wed Dec  8 15:13:05 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:13:05 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B 710 Cassette Deck
Message-ID: <da.1a95cb70.2ee865f1@aol.com>

Hi Again Guys!  Sorry for lots of typo error in the first email was busy!  
What I meant was that the electronic counter is not working nor is the record on 
this Revox  B 710 Mk1  cassette deck. The result is the ffwd/rwd stops after 
a short period as the logic senses no movement from the tape move sensors.  If 
some had a similiar problem with their Revox and what was the remedy it will 
be appreciated!   Also  the link to the revox download for the service manual 
in PDF form will be greatly appreciated!!  Thanks!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  8 22:59:02 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:59:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 UDAR Video
In-Reply-To: <41B50F85.3070803@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <20041208215902.28847.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com>

UDAR is Nakamichi speak for Auto Reverse.  Unidirectional Auto
Reverse to be exact.  I was checking out recent RX-505's that have
closed on ebay and found that one of the sellers created a couple of
nice little video.  Check it out.

http://www.cliffhiker.com/nakamichi/index.htm

Scott J.


		
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From jmtooley at verizon.net  Thu Dec  9 01:44:40 2004
From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John Tooley)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:44:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] B&W
References: <001c01c4db87$b7f57040$9bc34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000c01c4dd88$44f823a0$2f01a8c0@john1patlmckrl>

Gra'

Heads up to B&W for keeping Nakamichi cassette machines tuned to perfection! 
I wonder if they would part with a pair of their studio monitor speakers for 
the same outlay?  ;-)

Did you ever get so lucky with your ReVox B215?

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:35 AM
Subject: [naktalk] B&W


> Guys
>
> I just heard from "Nakamichi" as they announced themselves, rather than 
> B&W,
> on the telephone.  The cost of repairing my ZX-9 and a full service plus
> replacing all the belts and some other parts, is going to be £180 
> including
> shipping back here by courier.   Work should be completed - and 
> delivered! -
> by the end of this week.  They've already had it a week.  That makes 2 
> weeks
> turn around (assuming it gets here!)   Not too bad ...
>
> Gra'
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From Dan.Yee at kp.org  Thu Dec  9 02:48:37 2004
From: Dan.Yee at kp.org (Dan.Yee at kp.org)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:48:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 parts
Message-ID: <OF68C871F5.7C629CDB-ON88256F65.00094F33@KP.ORG>

Hi,
I just purchased a zx-7 and I am so happy with it.   It sounds much better 
than my Teac and SAE C102.  I want to keep and maintain this machine for 
lifetime. What are the commom parts do I need to stock up now while still 
available ?   I am also looking for a user manual. Where can I get it? 

Thanks in advance for your help,
-DMY 
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From martinferreira at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  9 03:37:36 2004
From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 02:37:36 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re:  Parts for Nakamichi CR3
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From jhelffrich at swri.org  Thu Dec  9 05:51:26 2004
From: jhelffrich at swri.org (Jerome Helffrich)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:51:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Rack mount ears for 670
Message-ID: <JHEIIIMMBEIOOAGJJGCHCEGMCAAA.jhelffrich@swri.org>

Hi,
  Need rack mount ears for a 670 cassette deck.  Also looking for a good
source of replacement belts.  Will pay reasonable price.

Thanks,
Jerry



From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  9 06:47:13 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 23:47:13 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B 710 Cassette Deck
In-Reply-To: <da.1a95cb70.2ee865f1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F2142F090F80CE3D5BE3E3F80B70@phx.gbl>

Here's the link to the manual though if memory serves it is page by page in 
jpg format in a zipped (WinZip) folder. Download times at the site likely 
still are between 11:00 PM and 6:00 AM of the website local time as 
indicated on the web-page.

http://www.schori.info/b200s/smdownload.htm

I suspect the problem is caused by a LED to photocell type sensor (used to 
detect motion of the cassette tape spooling drive) normally used to detect 
end of tape during play / FF / RW which has become disconnected or 
non-functional.

I'll try to give the manual another look.

Bob




From flifton at mac.com  Thu Dec  9 07:27:53 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:27:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Naks and good clean analog fun
In-Reply-To: <200412041100.iB4B0FHP016768@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200412041100.iB4B0FHP016768@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <7532394A-49AB-11D9-8E62-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Great post, Kermit.
I've got to agree with you that vintage audio gear, especially 
recording equipment, has a delight that's hard to find in today's 
digital pre-set LCD audio world. I'll confess, sometimes just looking 
at pictures on the internet of hot vintage audio--sleek muscular black 
Naks, fine champagne-skinned Luxmans,  taut B&O all svelte danish 
elegant function--makes me want to go and record stuff on my rig until 
early in the morning. Setting levels, bias, makes me feel like I'm 
creating something unique. Is there audio viagra?

For me, a part of the fun has to do with the simple feel of working a 
good machine, the tactile thunk of a nice knob sliding into a de-dent, 
the liquid glide of a top quality analog pot well lubed and clean. In 
seriousness, I'm not sure this sensual glide really substitutes for a 
beautiful woman, or a great landscape, but it has a tangible quality 
you just don't feel pushing little bubble switches on the latest 
mega-av-digital-8.10 surround-processing controlscape multi-environment 
simulation virtual-entertainment center.
Beyond the senses, I like the feeling that I'm making something unique 
when I record a new tape. I like the process of massaging and tweaking 
for source and recording medium. Ripping CD's on my mac isn't the same. 
It's good at what computers are good at: keeping monotized 
(1010011010111) chunks of information sorted and moved around. Fast, 
easy and soul-less. Digital lacks the connections between 
electro-mechanical waves and our emotive senses, connections you can 
still feel in a good piece of analog gear and the sound it produces. 
Yeah, that's a good crazy.

Oops, I've drifted terribly. The local Oregon pear brandy is 
dangerously delicious. Happy holidays, nakkers.
peace to all,
Fred

On Dec 4, 2004, at 3:00 AM, graker at woods-and-waters.com wrote:

> I’ve always found that 1970s vintage audio equipment is more “fun” to 
> listen to, and the 1970s Nakamichi recorders have an intangible 
> quality that always makes me want to go out and reocrd something just 
> because it’s so fun. If this makes me cRaZy, fine. It’s a good crAzy. 
> My other 1970s vintage recorders also had that “fun” aspect. The 
> digital gear isn’t “fun.” The only digital recorder I ever felt was 
> (almost) “fun” to record with was the Soundstream. Oops, isn’t that a 
> 1970s vintage machine? (Yes.)
>
> So, then; do the newer Nakamichis have the same “fun,” the same 
> infectious quality, that makes you forgo food, beautiful women and 
> sleep, grab a microphone instead and record something?
>
> By way of audio trivia, did you know that in its early days many 
> engineers considered digital audio a form of noise reduction and saw 
> it as a competitor to Dolby A?




From sie28873 at lycos.com  Thu Dec  9 10:07:03 2004
From: sie28873 at lycos.com (Robert Sie)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:07:03 +0700
Subject: [Naktalk] BX-300
Message-ID: <20041209090703.6757AC611D@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Hi
I just bought a Naka BX-300 without the service manual.   
Read from an old issue of Naktalk (Wed Oct 20 1999 by Tom Bergman)
that I could access the BX-300 manual on Naks.com.

Is it possible?   Would appreciate it - .pdf or another other format would be a great help. 

Right now, the machine looks to need a replacement idler transport which I am planning to get from ES Labs.

Looking forward to any directions or leads to the manual.
Thanks
Robert Sie



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 11:24:40 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:24:40 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Naks and good clean analog fun
In-Reply-To: <7532394A-49AB-11D9-8E62-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000101c4ddd9$4ae9e220$926c893e@oemcomputer>

Indeed,  I thought of Kemit's post when, by chance, I came across an old
review of a Sony cassette machine, a something ES.  The writer said that
listening to a recording made on his Nak was a luscious experience that
excited his senses, listening to one from his Revox was hearing a great
recording, and one from his Sony was just hearing the cassette.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Fred Lifton
> Sent: 09 December 2004 06:28
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Naks and good clean analog fun
>
>
> Great post, Kermit.
> I've got to agree with you that vintage audio gear, especially
> recording equipment, has a delight that's hard to find in today's
> digital pre-set LCD audio world. I'll confess, sometimes just looking
> at pictures on the internet of hot vintage audio--sleek muscular black
> Naks, fine champagne-skinned Luxmans,  taut B&O all svelte danish
> elegant function--makes me want to go and record stuff on my rig until
> early in the morning. Setting levels, bias, makes me feel like I'm
> creating something unique. Is there audio viagra?
>
> For me, a part of the fun has to do with the simple feel of working a
> good machine, the tactile thunk of a nice knob sliding into a de-dent,
> the liquid glide of a top quality analog pot well lubed and clean. In
> seriousness, I'm not sure this sensual glide really substitutes for a
> beautiful woman, or a great landscape, but it has a tangible quality
> you just don't feel pushing little bubble switches on the latest
> mega-av-digital-8.10 surround-processing controlscape multi-environment
> simulation virtual-entertainment center.
> Beyond the senses, I like the feeling that I'm making something unique
> when I record a new tape. I like the process of massaging and tweaking
> for source and recording medium. Ripping CD's on my mac isn't the same.
> It's good at what computers are good at: keeping monotized
> (1010011010111) chunks of information sorted and moved around. Fast,
> easy and soul-less. Digital lacks the connections between
> electro-mechanical waves and our emotive senses, connections you can
> still feel in a good piece of analog gear and the sound it produces.
> Yeah, that's a good crazy.
>
> Oops, I've drifted terribly. The local Oregon pear brandy is
> dangerously delicious. Happy holidays, nakkers.
> peace to all,
> Fred
>
>
>
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Thu Dec  9 14:26:12 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:26:12 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B 710 Cassette Deck
Message-ID: <d5.1d1807df.2ee9ac74@aol.com>

Hi Bob,    Thanks for your kind email, yes please let me know if you find 
anything else in the manual that might help fix the problems in this great 
machine.

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 17:57:09 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:57:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Naktalk] BX-300
In-Reply-To: <20041209090703.6757AC611D@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20041209165709.65454.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com>

If you want to get the idler upgrades to the gear idler just buy a
CR-1 off ebay and do a transplant.  It cheaper than the gear idler
assembly itself and you can probably figure out how to do it yourself
in about 2 hours.

Regarding the manual on the naks.com site, it's closed, but I'm sure
someone has it and can sent it to you.  Maybe even Wouter himself.

SJ
--- Robert Sie <sie28873 at lycos.com> wrote:

> Hi
> I just bought a Naka BX-300 without the service manual.   
> Read from an old issue of Naktalk (Wed Oct 20 1999 by Tom Bergman)
> that I could access the BX-300 manual on Naks.com.
> 
> Is it possible?   Would appreciate it - .pdf or another other
> format would be a great help. 
> 
> Right now, the machine looks to need a replacement idler transport
> which I am planning to get from ES Labs.
> 
> Looking forward to any directions or leads to the manual.
> Thanks
> Robert Sie
> 
> 
> 
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 17:59:20 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:59:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:  Parts for Nakamichi CR3
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F20816596A610B084373D9ADEB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20041209165920.95983.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com>

Have you tried Nakamichi USA. (310) 392-1155 
For parts contact Melissa Bradley at extension 231 or by email at
melissa at nakusa.com 

SJ
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Hello Ron

some time ago we exchanged ideas about Naks.

Now i am looking for a control motor  for my CR3. 

Do you know where i can get parts

Many thanks in advance

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From salimarz at telkom.net  Thu Dec  9 17:14:35 2004
From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:14:35 +0700
Subject: [Naktalk] BX-300
References: <20041209090703.6757AC611D@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <001701c4de0a$535057b0$6401a8c0@aisha>


Hi Robert, you need to ask Wouter the list owner to access such manual.

If you have trouble contacting him, I have uncompleted scan of that manual
sans pcb layout but which enough to get you going for basic maintenance.
Please email me if you need them.

SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Sie" <sie28873 at lycos.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: [Naktalk] BX-300


> Hi
> I just bought a Naka BX-300 without the service manual.
> Read from an old issue of Naktalk (Wed Oct 20 1999 by Tom Bergman)
> that I could access the BX-300 manual on Naks.com.
>
> Is it possible?   Would appreciate it - .pdf or another other format would
be a great help.
>
> Right now, the machine looks to need a replacement idler transport which I
am planning to get from ES Labs.
>
> Looking forward to any directions or leads to the manual.
> Thanks
> Robert Sie
>





From jberger at well.com  Thu Dec  9 19:39:40 2004
From: jberger at well.com (John Berger)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:39:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nice starting price for this Nakamichi item
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412091037420.28520@well.com>

It's new it the package, too!

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5737068999&rd=1>

OTOH, this same person has some new Nak motors for sale that are tempting
me... it's that, or disassemble and clean the motor in my CR-7.


From f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr  Thu Dec  9 22:24:35 2004
From: f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr (F. Dronsart)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:24:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000001c4de35$7c88a760$608024d5@utilisatvnsw8y>

Thank you very much Tom, I did it with excellent result. I have another
problem on my RX 505, at the end of a cassette when playing or record
the deck stop before the end? I hear that naks have “idler problem”
could it be this pb of used idler? 
 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] De la
part de Thomas Siomopoulos
Envoyé : jeudi 2 décembre 2004 21:49
À : 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Objet : RE: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
 
It's quite simple. You need to obtain a 3KHz test tone tape and use a
frequency counter to accurately adjust the speed. You can make a 3 KHz
tape on another deck that has the speed properly adjusted and record the
test tone onto it. The actual adjustment is made on the capstan motor
via a small hole at the rear of the motor, by using a small screwdriver
you can adjust the speed but turning it clockwise or counter-clockwise.
By playing the tape and hooking up the frequency counter to the output
terminals of your deck you can adjust it until the counter reads 3 KHz.
 
    Well that's about it, if you don't have a frequency counter try and
find someone who has one and borrow it, you won't regret it because this
is the most accurate way of adjusting the speed.
 
    Tom.
-----Original Message-----
From: F. Dronsart [mailto:f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr]
Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 7:56
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
Dear sirs,
 
I'm searching how to adjust the capstan speed of my RX 505.
 
By advance thank you to all.
 
Fabrice
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 23:46:43 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:46:43 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak OEM
In-Reply-To: <20041209165709.65454.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4de40$f451eee0$18c14c51@oemcomputer>

Guys

I just learnt that Nakamichi used to make a cassette recorder for the once
famous Leak brand, called a Leak 2002.  I gather it was one of those ski
slope designs.

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Dec 10 00:08:54 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:08:54 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7A6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

This is normal, it does this on my RX505. The system the 505 has is that
when you record the unit does not want to record all the way to the end of
the tape, Nakamichi thinks that this is disruptive because you end up
loosing 10-15 seconds of music, so what they did was is sense when the tape
is at least 20-30 seconds before the end of the tape, do an auto-fade and
flip it, this way you only loose about 1-3 seconds. IT will do this on
playback too because the 505 thinks you are playing tapes that were recorded
on the rx505, so it does its stop before the end of the tape routine.
 
    This was a little strange to me at the start when I received the unit
but after reading the manual I understood the operation. If anyone else
wants to clarify this up for Fabrice you are more than welcome.
 
    I hope this helps you out.
 
    Tom.
-----Original Message-----
From: F. Dronsart [mailto:f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr]
Sent: Friday, 10 December 2004 8:25
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE : [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed


Thank you very much Tom, I did it with excellent result. I have another
problem on my RX 505, at the end of a cassette when playing or record the
deck stop before the end? I hear that naks have "idler problem" could it be
this pb of used idler? 
 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] De la part
de Thomas Siomopoulos
Envoyé : jeudi 2 décembre 2004 21:49
À : 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Objet : RE: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
 
It's quite simple. You need to obtain a 3KHz test tone tape and use a
frequency counter to accurately adjust the speed. You can make a 3 KHz tape
on another deck that has the speed properly adjusted and record the test
tone onto it. The actual adjustment is made on the capstan motor via a small
hole at the rear of the motor, by using a small screwdriver you can adjust
the speed but turning it clockwise or counter-clockwise. By playing the tape
and hooking up the frequency counter to the output terminals of your deck
you can adjust it until the counter reads 3 KHz.
 
    Well that's about it, if you don't have a frequency counter try and find
someone who has one and borrow it, you won't regret it because this is the
most accurate way of adjusting the speed.
 
    Tom.
-----Original Message-----
From: F. Dronsart [mailto:f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr]
Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 7:56
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
Dear sirs,
 
I'm searching how to adjust the capstan speed of my RX 505.
 
By advance thank you to all.
 
Fabrice
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Dec 10 03:26:19 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:26:19 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 ,BX-300, MR-1 Gear Upgrade
Message-ID: <001501c4de5f$a26fc5b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye>

Hi Robert,
The gear upgrade for the real hub drive (replacing the problematic small idler tire drive) is not very difficult, but there are some tricky things you need to look out for.  In particular, for the three head decks, there is a small spacer nut that falls out of place when you remove the real motor assembly, and it is difficult to tell where it comes from.  Also, the order in which to remove and re-install various assemblies for access is not intuitive.  You really need the Nakamichi Bulletin 00D-SI-3117 to make it an easy job.  The service manual for your particular deck would be very helpfull also because the blow-up diagrams in the bulletin may not match your deck exactly.

I don't have the Bulletin in electronic form, but I can fax it to you if you email me off forum.

Having said that, I did a CR-5 last year, with a little helpful advice from Kannan, and it came out perfectly.  The gears and motors can be cannibalized from CR-1, CR-2 and CR-3 machines (if someone has not already cannibalized them....its a good idea to ask before you buy) which you can find reasonably on ebay.
Robert Kent


Robert Wrote:
> Hi
> I just bought a Naka BX-300 without the service manual.   
> Read from an old issue of Naktalk (Wed Oct 20 1999 by Tom Bergman)
> that I could access the BX-300 manual on Naks.com.
> 
> Is it possible?   Would appreciate it - .pdf or another other
> format would be a great help. 
> 
> Right now, the machine looks to need a replacement idler transport
> which I am planning to get from ES Labs.
> 
> Looking forward to any directions or leads to the manual.
> Thanks
> Robert Sie

Scott Wrote:
If you want to get the idler upgrades to the gear idler just buy a
CR-1 off ebay and do a transplant.  It cheaper than the gear idler
assembly itself and you can probably figure out how to do it yourself
in about 2 hours.

Regarding the manual on the naks.com site, it's closed, but I'm sure
someone has it and can sent it to you.  Maybe even Wouter himself.

SJ
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Fri Dec 10 01:10:10 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:10:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.
Message-ID: <41B8E962.3050707@woods-and-waters.com>

Hello Naka-denizens,

Reading all the praise for the fast turnaround time and reasonable cost 
of B&W I'm wondering whether I should ship my machines in need of 
service to them instead of to ESL. Even with the overseas shipping, it 
may be cheaper. I admire companies that do excellent work like ESL. Yet, 
I'm not the Smithsonian Institution and I require only that the machine 
works to spec. A total restoration, although nice, isn't mandatory for 
my Nakamichis. They sit in my control room earning their keep.

One of my Nakamichi 550 and my 600 need some tender ministrations. Even 
though I have the serrvice manuals, I don't have the special tools any 
longer. The 550 won't even turn on (may be a loose connection. I should 
take time to check). The 600 has more woes: its eject won't work, the 
rewind won't lock, the output level knob was broken off (never hire 
cut-rate moving companies!), and the f-l-UTT-er and w - o - w is enough 
to make me sea sick.



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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Fri Dec 10 03:49:27 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:49:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment
References: <001501c4de5f$a26fc5b0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye>
Message-ID: <002401c4de62$dd62d6a0$c801a8c0@cn593434a>


To the Nak Treasure Chest,

Does anyone have the 582 PB head alignment procedure handy for sharing?  I am in need of resetting my 582 back to factory settings.
Thanks so much,
Dino

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From karakapas at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 10 04:07:41 2004
From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:07:41 +0800
Subject: [Naktalk] BX-300
In-Reply-To: <20041209165709.65454.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY16-F3762546BC6BC0C511141A5BEA80@phx.gbl>

Would that be the gear upgrade which if I recall Stephen Sanks says he can 
do for $175.
ES Labs gives a 5 year warranty for the replacement idler transport (just 
$9) suggesting its a good replacement job.    Would I now be expecting my 
gear to give anytime soon?

>From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [Naktalk] BX-300
>Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:57:09 -0800 (PST)
>
>If you want to get the idler upgrades to the gear idler just buy a
>CR-1 off ebay and do a transplant.  It cheaper than the gear idler
>assembly itself and you can probably figure out how to do it yourself
>in about 2 hours.
>
>Regarding the manual on the naks.com site, it's closed, but I'm sure
>someone has it and can sent it to you.  Maybe even Wouter himself.
>
>SJ
>--- Robert Sie <sie28873 at lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > I just bought a Naka BX-300 without the service manual.
> > Read from an old issue of Naktalk (Wed Oct 20 1999 by Tom Bergman)
> > that I could access the BX-300 manual on Naks.com.
> >
> > Is it possible?   Would appreciate it - .pdf or another other
> > format would be a great help.
> >
> > Right now, the machine looks to need a replacement idler transport
>which I am planning to get from ES Labs.
> >
> > Looking forward to any directions or leads to the manual.
> > Thanks
> > Robert Sie
> >
> >
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 10 13:07:26 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:07:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <10271-41B5CCF1-1479@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F1308D5BDDBA81AEB06DEE9ABA80@phx.gbl>

Shalom Gerald,

TODAY...both models are scarce...of course we the "Humans"...never will hear 
any listeaneable differences among both models...the "Regularly" or more 
common "Black" model is cheaper and for sure more easy to obtain!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!




>From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk  The Holy Grail
>Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:32:01 -0600
>
>I agree with B.Stocker on this. Sheesh,the guy couldnt even buy one
>thing on E-Bay first to 'stablish at least a "1" feedback and some
>rapport, and knowlwedge of the process.This is the type of listing that
>is a potenial scam.If someone is willing to drop that kind of cash on
>this unit,wouldnt it be worth the extra money to buy a round trip ticket
>to the sellers city and pick it up?Would he allow that?Hmmm,perhaps not
>eh?In any event, what is it about this unit that differntiates it from a
>black face 1000zxl?Is there something different in the circuitry or is
>it the the rarity and cosmetics?Why not buy a regular 1000zxl in perfect
>condition for much less,have the cabinet refinished in piano veneer,and
>have it gold plated?Anyway,when the economy crashes,it wont be worth any
>less than the real 1000zxl limited.By the way,The reason i mention this
>is because i am in the process of having my military drab Tube Pas
>Pre-amp powder coated a beautiful black,and I am considering refinishing
>the wood cabinet on my 700  tritracer and having the front panel gold
>plated, or at least powder coated .Just cant figure out how to mark the
>dials yet.
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 10 13:12:56 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:12:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <20041207154414.JONF1390.out001.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F2688F98CD82767B0098DE5ABA80@phx.gbl>

I finish NOW my reply to this "Holy Grail"...matter!

Be well all of you!

ALEX!




>From: <vzeoinle at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:44:14 +0000
>
>Enough already!
>
>John T.
>
> > From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
> > Date: 2004/12/07 Tue PM 01:16:17 GMT
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >
> > Darling Alex,
> >
> > Wot a tempest in a teapot!:-)
> >
> > It appears to me that we have a persistent problem in communication 
>here. As
> > this is most likely boring the rest of the people here to tears, I shall
> > reiterate this once, and do with it as you will:
> >
> > a) The seller had explicitly stated in the original ad that he tested 
>the
> > playback, but not the record function. He did not say that had tested
> > record, and found it working, in which case he may have been lying. He 
>did
> > not at anytime, state in the ad that he would not test record should the
> > prospective buyer request that he do so.
> >
> > b) Nobody, least of all the seller, is asking ( as far as I can see) 
>anyone
> > of us to pay $2000 for it. In fact, he has not asked anybody to pay 
>$2000.
> > The people who have bid on it are the ones who have bid $2000 ( and it 
>is
> > most likely to go even higher before the end), and are thus offering him 
>the
> > money in an attempt to acquire the item, in the condition as described
> > within the ad. I don't get it: Somebody offers something for sale, says, 
>" I
> > know this works, I dunno whether that does..". One chap says, " I'll pay 
>you
> > X dollars!" and another says, " I'll pay you Y!" What's UNFAIR about 
>that?
> > It's 'unfair' that they ( the buyers, not you, not I ) want to pay so 
>much
> > for something that may only do 50% of what it was originally designed to 
>do?
> > What's unfair about that? The seller has not  set a price. The buyers 
>are
> > the ones doing so. Are you suggesting that it is unfair that the buyers 
>want
> > to spend their money this way?
> >
> > c) I have to say this again: Nobody is putting a gun to anybody's head 
>to
> > buy. Nobody has put a gun to anybody's head and said , " You have to pay 
>XYZ
> > dollars for it!" What is 'unfair' about this? Or are we both simply 
>using
> > the word 'unfair' differently?
> >
> > Anyway, if anyone is still remotely interested by now, the seller ( 
>prompted
> > by the unsubstantiated sniping and innuendo here) has since tested the
> > 'record' function, and described the results. Now you are free to make
> > further pronouncements as to its 'fairness'.
> >
> > I mean honestly...we see so few of these beauties as it is. Instead of
> > revelling in the discovery, here we are, mere spectators ( at least I 
>think
> > nobody here is bidding, are they?) grousing about dying orange caps and 
>old
> > circuit boards, and ascribing less-than-honest intentions to someone we
> > don't even know--weird.
> >
> > I'm not mad really, just kinda perplexed about human nature. :-)
> >
> > Best,
> > A
> >
> > ----------
> > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> > Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 12:45 AM
> >
> >
> > Lovely A,
> >
> > Don't me so mad...this seller want to sell a collector machine, looks 
>almost
> > new, I'm not 100% sure that he knows how tu use it IF YES...WHY he do 
>not
> > wrote that HE TEST it????. Sounds like me that "SELL AS IT"...and paying 
>for
> > sure near now $:2,000.00 for something that NOBODY knows that really DO
> > SOMETHING...NOT only a PIECE of beuty machine..seems me UNFAIR.
> >
> > However once, (1985) today I have a Dragon, I own the "Normal (1/2 price
> > then!" black one, NOT this scarce gold one, and works ONE WEEK only, so 
>my
> > Dear A...if you want to spell your money go ahead and acquire this 
>lovely
> > machine for your "Collection".
> >
> > Be well,
> >
> > ALEX!
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> > >Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:32:56 -0500
> > >
> > >Dear ALEX!
> > >
> > >See wot I mean by 'curmudgeony'?:-)
> > >
> > >It's 'unfair' if the seller tells you that it works when it doesn't.  
>If he
> > >says he doesn't know if it works clearly in the ad, how is it 'unfair'?
> > >Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling that some here may have
> > >unrealistically high expectations about sellers: First the original(or
> > >second or third) owner will have to pamper the gear we want -- keep it 
>in a
> > >dust free, smoke free, temperature controlled environment for twenty 
>years,
> > >service it monthly, replace all the parts ( then oil and massage) just
> > >before they put it up for sale AND don't they DARE charge too much for 
>it
> > >for their trouble..only what's deemed as 'fair', i.e. what we want to 
>pay.
> > >
> > >If we don't like what he's selling, no one's putting a gun to our heads 
>to
> > >buy. I dunno, but why is all this character assassination even 
>necessary,
> > >particularly when it is based entirely upon conjecture?
> > >
> > >
> > >A
> > >
> > >----------
> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> > >Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 1:46 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Dear A!
> > >
> > >Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, 
>with
> > >"NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the 
>original
> > >owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's 
>"Unfair"
> > >Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
> > >l
> > >ALEX!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 10 13:17:08 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:17:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <E1CbfCU-0005Bu-Au@jandor.look.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F336261FFC9EC2D53A918C8ABA80@phx.gbl>

Dear "A"!

I finish with this matter, WHO wants the machine...it's free to buy!

Be well,

ALEX!




>From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:16:17 -0500
>
>Darling Alex,
>
>Wot a tempest in a teapot!:-)
>
>It appears to me that we have a persistent problem in communication here. 
>As
>this is most likely boring the rest of the people here to tears, I shall
>reiterate this once, and do with it as you will:
>
>a) The seller had explicitly stated in the original ad that he tested the
>playback, but not the record function. He did not say that had tested
>record, and found it working, in which case he may have been lying. He did
>not at anytime, state in the ad that he would not test record should the
>prospective buyer request that he do so.
>
>b) Nobody, least of all the seller, is asking ( as far as I can see) anyone
>of us to pay $2000 for it. In fact, he has not asked anybody to pay $2000.
>The people who have bid on it are the ones who have bid $2000 ( and it is
>most likely to go even higher before the end), and are thus offering him 
>the
>money in an attempt to acquire the item, in the condition as described
>within the ad. I don't get it: Somebody offers something for sale, says, " 
>I
>know this works, I dunno whether that does..". One chap says, " I'll pay 
>you
>X dollars!" and another says, " I'll pay you Y!" What's UNFAIR about that?
>It's 'unfair' that they ( the buyers, not you, not I ) want to pay so much
>for something that may only do 50% of what it was originally designed to 
>do?
>What's unfair about that? The seller has not  set a price. The buyers are
>the ones doing so. Are you suggesting that it is unfair that the buyers 
>want
>to spend their money this way?
>
>c) I have to say this again: Nobody is putting a gun to anybody's head to
>buy. Nobody has put a gun to anybody's head and said , " You have to pay 
>XYZ
>dollars for it!" What is 'unfair' about this? Or are we both simply using
>the word 'unfair' differently?
>
>Anyway, if anyone is still remotely interested by now, the seller ( 
>prompted
>by the unsubstantiated sniping and innuendo here) has since tested the
>'record' function, and described the results. Now you are free to make
>further pronouncements as to its 'fairness'.
>
>I mean honestly...we see so few of these beauties as it is. Instead of
>revelling in the discovery, here we are, mere spectators ( at least I think
>nobody here is bidding, are they?) grousing about dying orange caps and old
>circuit boards, and ascribing less-than-honest intentions to someone we
>don't even know--weird.
>
>I'm not mad really, just kinda perplexed about human nature. :-)
>
>Best,
>A
>
>----------
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 12:45 AM
>
>
>Lovely A,
>
>Don't me so mad...this seller want to sell a collector machine, looks 
>almost
>new, I'm not 100% sure that he knows how tu use it IF YES...WHY he do not
>wrote that HE TEST it????. Sounds like me that "SELL AS IT"...and paying 
>for
>sure near now $:2,000.00 for something that NOBODY knows that really DO
>SOMETHING...NOT only a PIECE of beuty machine..seems me UNFAIR.
>
>However once, (1985) today I have a Dragon, I own the "Normal (1/2 price
>then!" black one, NOT this scarce gold one, and works ONE WEEK only, so my
>Dear A...if you want to spell your money go ahead and acquire this lovely
>machine for your "Collection".
>
>Be well,
>
>ALEX!
>
>
>
> >From: "a10" <a10 at look.ca>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:32:56 -0500
> >
> >Dear ALEX!
> >
> >See wot I mean by 'curmudgeony'?:-)
> >
> >It's 'unfair' if the seller tells you that it works when it doesn't.  If 
>he
> >says he doesn't know if it works clearly in the ad, how is it 'unfair'?
> >Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling that some here may have
> >unrealistically high expectations about sellers: First the original(or
> >second or third) owner will have to pamper the gear we want -- keep it in 
>a
> >dust free, smoke free, temperature controlled environment for twenty 
>years,
> >service it monthly, replace all the parts ( then oil and massage) just
> >before they put it up for sale AND don't they DARE charge too much for it
> >for their trouble..only what's deemed as 'fair', i.e. what we want to 
>pay.
> >
> >If we don't like what he's selling, no one's putting a gun to our heads 
>to
> >buy. I dunno, but why is all this character assassination even necessary,
> >particularly when it is based entirely upon conjecture?
> >
> >
> >A
> >
> >----------
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
> >Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2004, 1:46 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear A!
> >
> >Don't forget...it's a lot of money + transport to the potentia buyer, 
>with
> >"NO" knowledge if something works!?; much more if he is NOT the original
> >owner, trying to sell soemthing that he do not know if work...it's 
>"Unfair"
> >Thats my sole opinion...Liked or not!
> >l
> >ALEX!
> >
> >
> >
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 14:19:11 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:19:11 EST
Subject: [Naktalk] BX-300
Message-ID: <1e3.306c79dd.2eeafc4f@aol.com>

They must be talking about just changing the idler tire. This is an easy 
process and can be done quite cheaply. You can get the part here  '32-5665' - 
Distributor - MCM, an InOne company   or you can go for the more expensive and 
permanent fix which is  what they are talking about.

Anthony

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From a10 at look.ca  Fri Dec 10 14:58:11 2004
From: a10 at look.ca (a10)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:58:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.
Message-ID: <E1CclHj-0000jO-55@gozer.look.ca>

Hello all,

Not certain if this has ever been mentioned here before, but there is one
other option re: Nak service, particularly when one is willing to deal with
a bit of shipping.

The Toronto (Canada) Nak authorised service station is still going strong,
and is highly recommended. The name of the place is All-In-One Electronics,
and they are extremely reasonably priced to boot. They will do rough
estimates over the phone, as the chap there is well versed in all things
Nakamichi. The contact info is:
All In One Electronics
50 Wingold Dr
(416) 789 0668
Ask for Robert. He runs the place and will answer most questions over the
phone. Prices are a far cry from what a full restoration would be, and would
have been even cheaper when the Greenback was stronger. Friend of mine
brings his 1000zxl for servicing there every few years. If you marked the
crates with, " For Service/Repair" ( not sure about precise wording), there
should be no PST or duties on it.

A

----------
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.
Date: Thu, Dec 9, 2004, 7:10 PM


Hello Naka-denizens,

Reading all the praise for the fast turnaround time and reasonable cost
of B&W I'm wondering whether I should ship my machines in need of
service to them instead of to ESL. Even with the overseas shipping, it
may be cheaper. I admire companies that do excellent work like ESL. Yet,
I'm not the Smithsonian Institution and I require only that the machine
works to spec. A total restoration, although nice, isn't mandatory for
my Nakamichis. They sit in my control room earning their keep.

One of my Nakamichi 550 and my 600 need some tender ministrations. Even
though I have the serrvice manuals, I don't have the special tools any
longer. The 550 won't even turn on (may be a loose connection. I should
take time to check). The 600 has more woes: its eject won't work, the
rewind won't lock, the output level knob was broken off (never hire
cut-rate moving companies!), and the f-l-UTT-er and w - o - w is enough
to make me sea sick.



--
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Woods & Waters
16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 18:06:20 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:06:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Naktalk] BX-300
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F3762546BC6BC0C511141A5BEA80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20041210170620.56861.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>

Yup.  That's it.  The infamous small idler tire mistake.  Since you
have a BX-300 it came from the factory with the rubber idler and will
give out every 2-3 years and require replacing.  You can replace the
tire every few years or get the gear idler assembly out of a CR-1 or
CR-2.  These decks are cheap on ebay.  Far cheaper than Stephan at
$175 or ESL at whatever his price is.



--- ng ben <karakapas at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Would that be the gear upgrade which if I recall Stephen Sanks says
> he can 
> do for $175.
> ES Labs gives a 5 year warranty for the replacement idler transport
> (just 
> $9) suggesting its a good replacement job.    Would I now be
> expecting my 
> gear to give anytime soon?
> 
> >From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Naktalk] BX-300
> >Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:57:09 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >If you want to get the idler upgrades to the gear idler just buy a
> >CR-1 off ebay and do a transplant.  It cheaper than the gear idler
> >assembly itself and you can probably figure out how to do it
> yourself
> >in about 2 hours.
> >
> >Regarding the manual on the naks.com site, it's closed, but I'm
> sure
> >someone has it and can sent it to you.  Maybe even Wouter himself.
> >
> >SJ
> >--- Robert Sie <sie28873 at lycos.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > > I just bought a Naka BX-300 without the service manual.
> > > Read from an old issue of Naktalk (Wed Oct 20 1999 by Tom
> Bergman)
> > > that I could access the BX-300 manual on Naks.com.
> > >
> > > Is it possible?   Would appreciate it - .pdf or another other
> > > format would be a great help.
> > >
> > > Right now, the machine looks to need a replacement idler
> transport
> >which I am planning to get from ES Labs.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to any directions or leads to the manual.
> > > Thanks
> > > Robert Sie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 18:10:57 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:10:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment
In-Reply-To: <002401c4de62$dd62d6a0$c801a8c0@cn593434a>
Message-ID: <20041210171057.37606.qmail@web40421.mail.yahoo.com>

I hope you have calibration tapes.  1kHz track alignment and 15 kHz
PB head alignment.  Let alone the tilt gauge and stroke check gauge.

If the screws have never been tweaked then you probably only need to
adjust the azimuth if anything at all.  I can send you something
tonight.  Let me know if someone else sends you something sooner.


SJ
--- Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> To the Nak Treasure Chest,
> 
> Does anyone have the 582 PB head alignment procedure handy for
> sharing?  I am in need of resetting my 582 back to factory
> settings.
> Thanks so much,
> Dino
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Dec 11 01:10:03 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:10:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.
References: <E1CclHj-0000jO-55@gozer.look.ca>
Message-ID: <000201c4df29$5ceaa030$4e773242@CopyTech>

Re: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.Yes, I recommend him. Fast, cheap and reliable. Little bit of shipping charges, though, since he's in Canada.

ESL could be the best but they only want to do full restorations insisting that it's the only way to do a nice job, but it is really expensive.

B & W is not practical from us in this side of the world.

There's another one, supposely a former Nak tech up in Oregon at Echo Audio.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: a10 
  To: graker at woods-and-waters.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.


  Hello all,

  Not certain if this has ever been mentioned here before, but there is one other option re: Nak service, particularly when one is willing to deal with a bit of shipping.

  The Toronto (Canada) Nak authorised service station is still going strong, and is highly recommended. The name of the place is All-In-One Electronics, and they are extremely reasonably priced to boot. They will do rough estimates over the phone, as the chap there is well versed in all things Nakamichi. The contact info is:
  All In One Electronics
  50 Wingold Dr
  (416) 789 0668
  Ask for Robert. He runs the place and will answer most questions over the phone. Prices are a far cry from what a full restoration would be, and would have been even cheaper when the Greenback was stronger. Friend of mine brings his 1000zxl for servicing there every few years. If you marked the crates with, " For Service/Repair" ( not sure about precise wording), there should be no PST or duties on it.

  A

  ----------
  From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.
  Date: Thu, Dec 9, 2004, 7:10 PM



    Hello Naka-denizens,

    Reading all the praise for the fast turnaround time and reasonable cost 
    of B&W I'm wondering whether I should ship my machines in need of 
    service to them instead of to ESL. Even with the overseas shipping, it 
    may be cheaper. I admire companies that do excellent work like ESL. Yet, 
    I'm not the Smithsonian Institution and I require only that the machine 
    works to spec. A total restoration, although nice, isn't mandatory for 
    my Nakamichis. They sit in my control room earning their keep.

    One of my Nakamichi 550 and my 600 need some tender ministrations. Even 
    though I have the serrvice manuals, I don't have the special tools any 
    longer. The 550 won't even turn on (may be a loose connection. I should 
    take time to check). The 600 has more woes: its eject won't work, the 
    rewind won't lock, the output level knob was broken off (never hire 
    cut-rate moving companies!), and the f-l-UTT-er and w - o - w is enough 
    to make me sea sick.



    -- 
    Kermit Gray
    Woods & Waters
    16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
    816-918-5058 cellphone
    913-422-0957 business
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From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:21:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Calibration procedure
In-Reply-To: <E1CclHj-0000jO-55@gozer.look.ca>
Message-ID: <20041211002158.1423.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com>

I started working on my Nak deck calibration procedure again.  Right
now I am copying from the 660ZX manual.

I hope to update it with the Figures over the weekend and then slowly
add my comments to make it applicable to 2-head, 3-head transports,
both classic & Sankyo.  As well as special variant like the Dragon,
CR-7A, RX-505, etc.

http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Cal.html

If anyone has a PDF copy of the Dragon manual I would love to get a
copy for reference.

Scott J.


		
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 11 07:39:29 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Calibration procedure 
In-Reply-To: <002401c4de62$dd62d6a0$c801a8c0@cn593434a>
Message-ID: <20041211063929.95676.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you R.A. for sending me the Dragon Service Manual.  I will try
and add that decks calibration procedure to my web page.

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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 11 07:46:37 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:46:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi IEC standard
In-Reply-To: <E1CclHj-0000jO-55@gozer.look.ca>
Message-ID: <20041211064637.45227.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi guys.  I was going through some old magazines articles and came
across this on in Feb. 1982 issue of High Fidelity.

It's regarding the playback eq non standard.

http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/HighFidelity_Nak-IEC_BW.gif

Also found the ultimate cassette shell.  The TDK MA-R has nothing on
this shell from BASF.

http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Tape_Shell.jpg

Enjoy.

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From khh at khherrmann.de  Fri Dec 10 18:38:49 2004
From: khh at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:38:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
In-Reply-To: <000001c4de35$7c88a760$608024d5@utilisatvnsw8y>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D785@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<000001c4de35$7c88a760$608024d5@utilisatvnsw8y>
Message-ID: <20041210183849.49ab2db7.khh@khherrmann.de>

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:24:35 +0100
"F. Dronsart" <f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr> wrote:

> Thank you very much Tom, I did it with excellent result. I have
> another problem on my RX 505, at the end of a cassette when playing or
> record the deck stop before the end? I hear that naks have “idler
> problem”could it be this pb of used idler? 

Hi,

what do you mean by stopping? stops playing altogether?

The autoreverse on RX is supposed to turn the tape a little before the
actual tape end. It does not tell by IR light barriers (transparent
tape leadout required) but by measuring the spindle speed and deciding
when the end is close. It pretty accurate but not to a second. On play
it "listens" to the music and turs on a sudden drop in amplitude. This
feature is the auto fade button -- turned off it will rec/play all the
way to the actual tape end. 

If yours behaves different there might be a problem with the idlers. 


K.-H.



From ABIZARRA at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 19:36:52 2004
From: ABIZARRA at aol.com (ABIZARRA at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:36:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment
Message-ID: <37A6A528.48FDABF2.0061B930@aol.com>

Scott,

I'm new to NAKTALK and I also have a 582. I could use your recommendations too. Could you please cc me those instructions? 

Thanks,

Gus Bizarra




From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Fri Dec 10 21:42:34 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:42:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment
References: <20041210171057.37606.qmail@web40421.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4def8$c78f4ed0$c901a8c0@cn593434a>

SJ,

I think just the PH azimuth was tweaked.
Dean

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment


> I hope you have calibration tapes.  1kHz track alignment and 15 kHz
> PB head alignment.  Let alone the tilt gauge and stroke check gauge.
>
> If the screws have never been tweaked then you probably only need to
> adjust the azimuth if anything at all.  I can send you something
> tonight.  Let me know if someone else sends you something sooner.
>
>
> SJ
> --- Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > To the Nak Treasure Chest,
> >
> > Does anyone have the 582 PB head alignment procedure handy for
> > sharing?  I am in need of resetting my 582 back to factory
> > settings.
> > Thanks so much,
> > Dino
> >
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From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Fri Dec 10 21:44:56 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:44:56 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.
References: <41B8E962.3050707@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <005201c4def9$1d5d1900$5a4898de@tec>

Hi Kermit

The wow and flutter is a big issue with 600s in my experience. I replaced 
the motor, belt, and speed control circuit in mine, but you still need to 
set the screw to the right gap above the motor pulley to avoid wobble.

The eject not working and rewind not locking is mechanical only. Just gently 
push the mechanics around and oil a bit until it goes.

Sad about the output level knob, I guess that a new pot will be necessary!

Good luck.

Hope this helps.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:10 PM
Subject: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.


> Hello Naka-denizens,
>
> Reading all the praise for the fast turnaround time and reasonable cost of 
> B&W I'm wondering whether I should ship my machines in need of service to 
> them instead of to ESL. Even with the overseas shipping, it may be 
> cheaper. I admire companies that do excellent work like ESL. Yet, I'm not 
> the Smithsonian Institution and I require only that the machine works to 
> spec. A total restoration, although nice, isn't mandatory for my 
> Nakamichis. They sit in my control room earning their keep.
>
> One of my Nakamichi 550 and my 600 need some tender ministrations. Even 
> though I have the serrvice manuals, I don't have the special tools any 
> longer. The 550 won't even turn on (may be a loose connection. I should 
> take time to check). The 600 has more woes: its eject won't work, the 
> rewind won't lock, the output level knob was broken off (never hire 
> cut-rate moving companies!), and the f-l-UTT-er and w - o - w is enough to 
> make me sea sick.
>
>
>
> -- 
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From thepieboy at comcast.net  Sat Dec 11 03:37:22 2004
From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:37:22 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.
Message-ID: <121120040237.14400.41BA5D62000124BB00003840220073474897010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net>

I've never used them for Nak service--although as you said, the owner is a factory certified Nak tech. In any case, Echo is one of the coolest audio stores on the planet, IMHO.

Best regards, 
John Derven
Eugene, Oregon

-------------- Original message -------------- 

Yes, I recommend him. Fast, cheap and reliable. Little bit of shipping charges, though, since he's in Canada.

ESL could be the best but they only want to do full restorations insisting that it's the only way to do a nice job, but it is really expensive.

B & W is not practical from us in this side of the world.

There's another one, supposely a former Nak tech up in Oregon at Echo Audio.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: a10 
To: graker at woods-and-waters.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.


Hello all,

Not certain if this has ever been mentioned here before, but there is one other option re: Nak service, particularly when one is willing to deal with a bit of shipping.

The Toronto (Canada) Nak authorised service station is still going strong, and is highly recommended. The name of the place is All-In-One Electronics, and they are extremely reasonably priced to boot. They will do rough estimates over the phone, as the chap there is well versed in all things Nakamichi. The contact info is:
All In One Electronics
50 Wingold Dr
(416) 789 0668
Ask for Robert. He runs the place and will answer most questions over the phone. Prices are a far cry from what a full restoration would be, and would have been even cheaper when the Greenback was stronger. Friend of mine brings his 1000zxl for servicing there every few years. If you marked the crates with, " For Service/Repair" ( not sure about precise wording), there should be no PST or duties on it.

A

----------
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] B&W vs. ESL for service.
Date: Thu, Dec 9, 2004, 7:10 PM



Hello Naka-denizens,

Reading all the praise for the fast turnaround time and reasonable cost 
of B&W I'm wondering whether I should ship my machines in need of 
service to them instead of to ESL. Even with the overseas shipping, it 
may be cheaper. I admire companies that do excellent work like ESL. Yet, 
I'm not the Smithsonian Institution and I require only that the machine 
works to spec. A total restoration, although nice, isn't mandatory for 
my Nakamichis. They sit in my control room earning their keep.

One of my Nakamichi 550 and my 600 need some tender ministrations. Even 
though I have the serrvice manuals, I don't have the special tools any 
longer. The 550 won't even turn on (may be a loose connection. I should 
take time to check). The 600 has more woes: its eject won't work, the 
rewind won't lock, the output level knob was broken off (never hire 
cut-rate moving companies!), and the f-l-UTT-er and w - o - w is enough 
to make me sea sick.



-- 
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16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
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From karakapas at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 11 04:31:13 2004
From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:31:13 +0800
Subject: [Naktalk] BX-300
In-Reply-To: <20041210170620.56861.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY16-F26C2D3A29BF59F61872B0BBEA90@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the tip.
Had asked ESlabs about changing all the belts.
Question: Should they be changed now or as and when?


>From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [Naktalk] BX-300
>Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:06:20 -0800 (PST)
>
>Yup.  That's it.  The infamous small idler tire mistake.  Since you
>have a BX-300 it came from the factory with the rubber idler and will
>give out every 2-3 years and require replacing.  You can replace the
>tire every few years or get the gear idler assembly out of a CR-1 or
>CR-2.  These decks are cheap on ebay.  Far cheaper than Stephan at
>$175 or ESL at whatever his price is.
>
>
>
>--- ng ben <karakapas at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Would that be the gear upgrade which if I recall Stephen Sanks says
> > he can
> > do for $175.
> > ES Labs gives a 5 year warranty for the replacement idler transport
> > (just
> > $9) suggesting its a good replacement job.    Would I now be
> > expecting my
> > gear to give anytime soon?
> >
> > >From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Naktalk] BX-300
> > >Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:57:09 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >If you want to get the idler upgrades to the gear idler just buy a
> > >CR-1 off ebay and do a transplant.  It cheaper than the gear idler
> > >assembly itself and you can probably figure out how to do it
> > yourself
> > >in about 2 hours.
> > >
> > >Regarding the manual on the naks.com site, it's closed, but I'm
> > sure
> > >someone has it and can sent it to you.  Maybe even Wouter himself.
> > >
> > >SJ
> > >--- Robert Sie <sie28873 at lycos.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > > I just bought a Naka BX-300 without the service manual.
> > > > Read from an old issue of Naktalk (Wed Oct 20 1999 by Tom
> > Bergman)
> > > > that I could access the BX-300 manual on Naks.com.
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible?   Would appreciate it - .pdf or another other
> > > > format would be a great help.
> > > >
> > > > Right now, the machine looks to need a replacement idler
> > transport
> > >which I am planning to get from ES Labs.
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to any directions or leads to the manual.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Robert Sie
> > > >
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From flifton at mac.com  Sat Dec 11 07:51:48 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:51:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Northwest taste test
Message-ID: <21355742-4B41-11D9-921F-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hello all,
Would anyone on the western coast of North America (or wealthy, 
leisure-blessed Nakkers for elsewhere) be interested in a get-together 
in Portland, Oregon? I think it would be fun to get some Nakkers and 
like-minded folk together for some listening, gear-ogling and general 
conviviality. In particular, given recent threads on the list, I'd be 
interested in comparing sources of recordings/formats on different 
set-ups and having several drinks. Perhaps it would be interesting to 
audition the same content from lots of sources. E.g. bits of "Dark Side 
of the Moon" on CD, SACD, MFSL vinyl, tapes from various machines, etc. 
I can offer some vintage Lux gear in fair to good condition, a still 
breathing Dynavector DV-50a moving-coil cart, a fat robust American 
Adcom power source (GFA-55) and a leaner Nikko amp from the late 80's 
(Alpha 220). Sorry, no tubes. Don't have time for that, though they 
sound lovely.

Just a thought. Drop a line if you're interested. Could be a nice way 
to beat the Pacific Northwest winter doldrums other than the Norwegian 
solution (vodka and suicide). Hmm, all my recent posts mention "adult 
beverages". Must be the holidays...
best,
Fred



From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Dec 11 17:51:29 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:51:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Northwest taste test
References: <21355742-4B41-11D9-921F-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004101c4dfa1$a9a618a0$3d773242@CopyTech>

Don't worry, Fred. Bleus & Gra are gonna charter a full 727 for all of us.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <flifton at mac.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:51 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Northwest taste test


> Hello all,
> Would anyone on the western coast of North America (or wealthy, 
> leisure-blessed Nakkers for elsewhere) be interested in a get-together in 
> Portland, Oregon? I think it would be fun to get some Nakkers and 
> like-minded folk together for some listening, gear-ogling and general 
> conviviality. In particular, given recent threads on the list, I'd be 
> interested in comparing sources of recordings/formats on different set-ups 
> and having several drinks. Perhaps it would be interesting to audition the 
> same content from lots of sources. E.g. bits of "Dark Side of the Moon" on 
> CD, SACD, MFSL vinyl, tapes from various machines, etc. I can offer some 
> vintage Lux gear in fair to good condition, a still breathing Dynavector 
> DV-50a moving-coil cart, a fat robust American Adcom power source (GFA-55) 
> and a leaner Nikko amp from the late 80's (Alpha 220). Sorry, no tubes. 
> Don't have time for that, though they sound lovely.
>
> Just a thought. Drop a line if you're interested. Could be a nice way to 
> beat the Pacific Northwest winter doldrums other than the Norwegian 
> solution (vodka and suicide). Hmm, all my recent posts mention "adult 
> beverages". Must be the holidays...
> best,
> Fred
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 11 15:38:28 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:38:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Naktalk] BX-300
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F26C2D3A29BF59F61872B0BBEA90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20041211143828.618.qmail@web40425.mail.yahoo.com>

The belts don't need to be changed very often.  I recently serviced
nearly 100 MR-1's (pro version of the BX-300) and only 1 needed a new
belt.  And that's after 15+ years.

Just replace the idler tire with a new one every two years or get the
gear idler and be done with it.

--- ng ben <karakapas at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the tip.
> Had asked ESlabs about changing all the belts.
> Question: Should they be changed now or as and when?
> 
> 
> >From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Naktalk] BX-300
> >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:06:20 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Yup.  That's it.  The infamous small idler tire mistake.  Since
> you
> >have a BX-300 it came from the factory with the rubber idler and
> will
> >give out every 2-3 years and require replacing.  You can replace
> the
> >tire every few years or get the gear idler assembly out of a CR-1
> or
> >CR-2.  These decks are cheap on ebay.  Far cheaper than Stephan at
> >$175 or ESL at whatever his price is.
> >
> >
> >
> >--- ng ben <karakapas at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Would that be the gear upgrade which if I recall Stephen Sanks
> says
> > > he can
> > > do for $175.
> > > ES Labs gives a 5 year warranty for the replacement idler
> transport
> > > (just
> > > $9) suggesting its a good replacement job.    Would I now be
> > > expecting my
> > > gear to give anytime soon?
> > >
> > > >From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Naktalk] BX-300
> > > >Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:57:09 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >If you want to get the idler upgrades to the gear idler just
> buy a
> > > >CR-1 off ebay and do a transplant.  It cheaper than the gear
> idler
> > > >assembly itself and you can probably figure out how to do it
> > > yourself
> > > >in about 2 hours.
> > > >
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 11 15:43:02 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:43:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment
In-Reply-To: <000501c4def8$c78f4ed0$c901a8c0@cn593434a>
Message-ID: <20041211144302.89902.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>

That's good.  Then you can get away with just a PB head azimuth and
height adjustment.  You will need the track alignment tape and the
azimuth tape.  

Keep watching my Nak cal procedure web page.  I will be getting to
the stuff you are going to need within the week.


--- Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net> wrote:

> SJ,
> 
> I think just the PH azimuth was tweaked.
> Dean
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:582 PB Head Alignment
> 
> 
> > I hope you have calibration tapes.  1kHz track alignment and 15
> kHz
> > PB head alignment.  Let alone the tilt gauge and stroke check
> gauge.
> >
> > If the screws have never been tweaked then you probably only need
> to
> > adjust the azimuth if anything at all.  I can send you something
> > tonight.  Let me know if someone else sends you something sooner.
> >
> >
> > SJ
> > --- Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
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> > > Thanks so much,
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 11 12:13:24 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:13:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
In-Reply-To: <20041210183849.49ab2db7.khh@khherrmann.de>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F7E8F0146AF3F715F4F9CBABA90@phx.gbl>

It's something new for me...I release that works exactly as my Dragon...wait 
till the tape came to the end of the hub...and reverse the playback...! 
Always learning something new!!!! Bravo!!

Cheers,

ALEX!




>From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <khh at khherrmann.de>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: RE : [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
>Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:38:49 +0100
>
>On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:24:35 +0100
>"F. Dronsart" <f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
> > Thank you very much Tom, I did it with excellent result. I have
> > another problem on my RX 505, at the end of a cassette when playing or
> > record the deck stop before the end? I hear that naks have �idler
> > problem�could it be this pb of used idler?
>
>Hi,
>
>what do you mean by stopping? stops playing altogether?
>
>The autoreverse on RX is supposed to turn the tape a little before the
>actual tape end. It does not tell by IR light barriers (transparent
>tape leadout required) but by measuring the spindle speed and deciding
>when the end is close. It pretty accurate but not to a second. On play
>it "listens" to the music and turs on a sudden drop in amplitude. This
>feature is the auto fade button -- turned off it will rec/play all the
>way to the actual tape end.
>
>If yours behaves different there might be a problem with the idlers.
>
>
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Sat Dec 11 13:48:16 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:48:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Mode Motor for CR-7A
References: <200412111006.iBBA6lHO016528@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4df7f$af9a6b70$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Can anyone tell me whether the mode control motor is the same in the various
CR decks?  I'm looking for a replacement for the one in my CR-7A, as the
brush tips are gone(!)  Nak USA wants over $100 for a new one, when a used
one will clean up fine.

Best,

Paul Dingle
Canada's Frozen North



From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Sat Dec 11 14:55:26 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:55:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL
Message-ID: <000801c4df89$118d4100$6b1a0cd0@r7g1f8>

My 680ZX has left and right record level adjustments plus a MASTER record level.

I usually set both at "2pm".  What are some other thoughts about optimum recording settings ???

Randall in Seattle
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From thepieboy at comcast.net  Sat Dec 11 15:31:51 2004
From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:31:51 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Fred Lifton <flifton@mac.com>
Message-ID: <121120041431.26340.41BB04D700063024000066E4220700295397010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net>

Hi Fred,

Sounds great to me--I'm in Eugene but make it up to Portland regularly. 

Best regards, 
John Derven
Eugene, OR
541-515-5961

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> Hello all, 
> Would anyone on the western coast of North America (or wealthy, 
> leisure-blessed Nakkers for elsewhere) be interested in a get-together 
> in Portland, Oregon? I think it would be fun to get some Nakkers and 
> like-minded folk together for some listening, gear-ogling and general 
> conviviality. In particular, given recent threads on the list, I'd be 
> interested in comparing sources of recordings/formats on different 
> set-ups and having several drinks. Perhaps it would be interesting to 
> audition the same content from lots of sources. E.g. bits of "Dark Side 
> of the Moon" on CD, SACD, MFSL vinyl, tapes from various machines, etc. 
> I can offer some vintage Lux gear in fair to good condition, a still 
> breathing Dynavector DV-50a moving-coil cart, a fat robust American 
> Adcom power source (GFA-55) and a leaner Nikko amp from the late 80's 
> (Alpha 220). Sorry, no tubes. Don't have time for that, though they 
> sound lovely. 
> 
> Just a thought. Drop a line if you're interested. Could be a nice way 
> to beat the Pacific Northwest winter doldrums other than the Norwegian 
> solution (vodka and suicide). Hmm, all my recent posts mention "adult 
> beverages". Must be the holidays... 
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From ti at amb.org  Sat Dec 11 20:47:02 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:47:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL
In-Reply-To: <000801c4df89$118d4100$6b1a0cd0@r7g1f8> from "Babin/Greseth" at
	Dec 11, 2004 05:55:26 AM
Message-ID: <20041211194702.340AE21DC5@smtp.amb.org>

Babin/Greseth writes:
> My 680ZX has left and right record level adjustments plus a MASTER =
> record level.
> 
> I usually set both at "2pm".  What are some other thoughts about optimum =
> recording settings ???

You can do whatever you want, as long as the actual recording level
is set appropriately.  The two individual channel's adjustments serve
as a "balance control" if your source is off-balance.

I usually start with the deck in rec-pause mode, set the two channels'
controls to minimum, and the master to maximum.  Then, play the track
with the highest peaks and then turn the individual channels up until
I'm happy with what the meters are reading.  Now, I have a full range
of control on the master knob and I know it will be correct for
that album with it in max position.  If I am recording from an LP
I now turn the master knob down to minimum, un-pause the record mode,
set the stylus down and then quickly fade-in by turning the master
knob back to max.

-Ti
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Dec 12 11:09:35 2004
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 00:31:40 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:31:40 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL
In-Reply-To: <20041211194702.340AE21DC5@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <000001c4dfd9$91c4af20$c5f54c51@oemcomputer>

I would add, if you are not sure your source is balanced, feed the source as
a mono signal if you can (I have a mono switch on my Sugden A21 or I can use
another devise I have for Shellac or vinyl records) balance the meter levels
using this, and then switch back to stereo before recording.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ti Kan
> Sent: 11 December 2004 19:47
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL
>
>
> Babin/Greseth writes:
> > My 680ZX has left and right record level adjustments plus a MASTER =
> > record level.
> >
> > I usually set both at "2pm".  What are some other thoughts
> about optimum =
> > recording settings ???
>
> You can do whatever you want, as long as the actual recording level
> is set appropriately.  The two individual channel's adjustments serve
> as a "balance control" if your source is off-balance.
>
> I usually start with the deck in rec-pause mode, set the two channels'
> controls to minimum, and the master to maximum.  Then, play the track
> with the highest peaks and then turn the individual channels up until
> I'm happy with what the meters are reading.  Now, I have a full range
> of control on the master knob and I know it will be correct for
> that album with it in max position.  If I am recording from an LP
> I now turn the master knob down to minimum, un-pause the record mode,
> set the stylus down and then quickly fade-in by turning the master
> knob back to max.
>
> -Ti
> --
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 12 06:27:44 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:27:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL
In-Reply-To: <20041211194702.340AE21DC5@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F27F25CFE6C53EBC480676DABAA0@phx.gbl>


Hi Ti!

I do it in ather way... on my lovely Dragon...the small knobs to the 
"Maximum" (5 o clock), and after I adjust the "Big" knob the 
"Master...pressing to source on the Dragon...till the peak goes till +5..., 
as I only use Type 2 cassettes "SX" position 70 Eq. and IF pass very shortly 
the +5, doens't matter the recording will be OK. With my ARC SP-9 Mk-2 
control unit I MUST go higher with the Master knob near the end in the 
right....as the cartridge Ortofon that I current use has an a very low 
output.
Today I will calibrated a bit different... Master for LP phono records, and 
when I will record CD's I can lower the "Volume"...on my remote control unit 
to match the Record Level...equally to the LP phono stage...SO I NEVER will 
move on my Dragon the Master knob! I hope that I expalin myself clearly?  
(PS... I ALWAYS listen during the recording the cassette with "Monitor..on 
the SP-9 unit and Tape out on the Dragon!.

Cheers,

ALEX!



>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL
>Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:47:02 -0800 (PST)
>
>Babin/Greseth writes:
> > My 680ZX has left and right record level adjustments plus a MASTER =
> > record level.
> >
> > I usually set both at "2pm".  What are some other thoughts about optimum 
>=
> > recording settings ???
>
>You can do whatever you want, as long as the actual recording level
>is set appropriately.  The two individual channel's adjustments serve
>as a "balance control" if your source is off-balance.
>
>I usually start with the deck in rec-pause mode, set the two channels'
>controls to minimum, and the master to maximum.  Then, play the track
>with the highest peaks and then turn the individual channels up until
>I'm happy with what the meters are reading.  Now, I have a full range
>of control on the master knob and I know it will be correct for
>that album with it in max position.  If I am recording from an LP
>I now turn the master knob down to minimum, un-pause the record mode,
>set the stylus down and then quickly fade-in by turning the master
>knob back to max.
>
>-Ti
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Dec 13 01:52:39 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:52:39 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 700 tri-tracer/700II/1000
Message-ID: <1055-41BCE7D7-1121@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>

My vote for the most undervalued and unappreciated decks goes to the
700/1000 series.I can attest to, and  affirm the fact that my tri-tracer
sounds better than my RX-303-of course whch is only a 2 head model.The
reason for this post is that untill recently I wasnt aware that these
front load monster sized and weighty units can be turned from their
frontload position and used as top loading machines.Their are feet
positioned near the top in the upper back of the unit when it is  in its
upright stance. Well, this is great because in my shelfing for my
componentry  it is very much more covienient to lay it down and use it
as a top loader.In fact,i need to find out how to construct a side-out
shelf.

thank you very much,
gerald



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Dec 13 03:58:54 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:54 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Mode Motor for CR-7A
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7AB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Paul. Yes the cam motor is the same as the other cr decks, also the bx
units share the same motors too!

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Fugue [mailto:fugue4all at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Saturday, 11 December 2004 11:48 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Mode Motor for CR-7A


Can anyone tell me whether the mode control motor is the same in the various
CR decks?  I'm looking for a replacement for the one in my CR-7A, as the
brush tips are gone(!)  Nak USA wants over $100 for a new one, when a used
one will clean up fine.

Best,

Paul Dingle
Canada's Frozen North

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Dec 13 04:11:45 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:11:45 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7AD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

The unit will stop and flip the tape over if you have selected the
appropriate mode on the reverse switch, or if you have selected to play only
one side then the unit will stop.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann [mailto:khh at khherrmann.de] 
Sent: Saturday, 11 December 2004 4:39 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: RE : [naktalk] Searching how to adjust RX505 capstan speed


On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:24:35 +0100
"F. Dronsart" <f.dronsart at libertysurf.fr> wrote:

> Thank you very much Tom, I did it with excellent result. I have 
> another problem on my RX 505, at the end of a cassette when playing or 
> record the deck stop before the end? I hear that naks have "idler 
> problem"could it be this pb of used idler?

Hi,

what do you mean by stopping? stops playing altogether?

The autoreverse on RX is supposed to turn the tape a little before the
actual tape end. It does not tell by IR light barriers (transparent tape
leadout required) but by measuring the spindle speed and deciding when the
end is close. It pretty accurate but not to a second. On play it "listens"
to the music and turs on a sudden drop in amplitude. This feature is the
auto fade button -- turned off it will rec/play all the way to the actual
tape end. 

If yours behaves different there might be a problem with the idlers. 


K.-H.

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From davave at mindspring.com  Sun Dec 12 13:29:41 2004
From: davave at mindspring.com (David M Avery)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:29:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 581Z record problems
Message-ID: <000801c4e046$42a18270$9974fea9@DJ>

I just bought a 581Z.  It plays great but makes a ticking and swooshing sound when record is engaged.  Will not record.  Cal tone does not engage.  The record level does go up like the manual says when the cal tone is turned to either setting.  
I have the original box.  Where is the best place to send it for repair?  Does anyone know of a goo repair cenetr in South Florida?
Thanks
Dave.
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From b4uer at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 12 22:53:40 2004
From: b4uer at hotmail.com (Greg Bauer)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 'DRAGON'  Erase Head Mode ??
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From karakapas at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 13 03:28:20 2004
From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:28:20 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
Message-ID: <BAY16-F171EA7C08BBF1A46594252BEAB0@phx.gbl>

I'm new to the Naks world and come previously from using basic 2-head decks 
of other makes.
Is bias adjustment more for playback of tapes and azimuth adjustment for 
recording?
Also, what do you lose out on with "bias fine tune" on my 'new' BX300 vs 
"bias calibration" on 582Z & the higher end 680s?  I will be using my BX300 
mainly for playback. Robert

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 13 04:34:05 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:34:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 700 tri-tracer/700II/1000
In-Reply-To: <1055-41BCE7D7-1121@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F15D35D9F5871B4C197F26FABAB0@phx.gbl>

Hi Gerald!

ONLY the 700 series can be ujse it as you wrote!!! The 1000 series 
DON'T..because have all the cords in the back and the 700 series ON the 
TOP!!!

I you need a 1000/2 I can sell you mine for $:300.00 Transport you pay...of 
course!!!

Happy Listening!

ALEX!




>From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] 700 tri-tracer/700II/1000
>Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:52:39 -0600
>
>My vote for the most undervalued and unappreciated decks goes to the
>700/1000 series.I can attest to, and  affirm the fact that my tri-tracer
>sounds better than my RX-303-of course whch is only a 2 head model.The
>reason for this post is that untill recently I wasnt aware that these
>front load monster sized and weighty units can be turned from their
>frontload position and used as top loading machines.Their are feet
>positioned near the top in the upper back of the unit when it is  in its
>upright stance. Well, this is great because in my shelfing for my
>componentry  it is very much more covienient to lay it down and use it
>as a top loader.In fact,i need to find out how to construct a side-out
>shelf.
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Dec 13 11:24:20 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:24:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 'DRAGON'  Erase Head Mode ??
Message-ID: <s1bd89fe.061@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Greg!!

Actually, its not a stupid question at all - in fact you will find
analogue recording incredibly simple and with a deck like that,
unmatched for sheer quality.

Your deck does not engage the erase head in isolation when the
recording levels drop.  It engages the erase head and recording head at
the same time.  So when you erase a tape, you are simultaneously erasing
it and then recording "nothing" onto it.

When erasing a tape (so that the finished product is a tape with
nothing on it at all), all you need to do is to insert the tape, wind it
to the beginning, and engage record and play together.  The settings
need to be as follows:  you reduce the recording level to zero (if you
want), ot alternatively, simply run the deck without anything else
running through any other input on the pre-amp.  

To put it another way, when you record from, say CD, and your CD is
connected to the pre-amp/integrated/receiver in the normal way and the
Dragon is connected to one of the tape loops, then if you were to record
from CD, you would run the CD simultaneoulsy with your Dragon running in
the record mode.

However, there is actually no need to erase a tape (which already has
something recorded onto it) before you record something else. Yet
another advantage of taping over CD-Rs!!

Good luck Greg!!

Marc



>>> "Greg Bauer" <b4uer at hotmail.com> 12/12/04 11:53PM >>>

New to the site !!!   I have never had a need to erase a cassette tape,
      ... unitl now.  I have a 'DRAGON'.   As you know there are three
dedicated tape heads...   Playback, Record, and Erase.  What steps do I
have to take to isolate the 'ERASE' head and create a blank tape?  There
is no mention of it in the owners manuall.  Does the deck sense when
you've turned down your record levels and automatically switch from
record head to erase head.  Please help.  I'm feeling very stupid. 
THANKS.





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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Dec 13 12:23:19 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:23:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL / Channel Balance
References: <20041211194702.340AE21DC5@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <010101c4e106$2643d6d0$1510a8c0@TG>

Has anyone ever experienced, even it changes from one recorder to another; 
different decks have different tendency on one channel. I mean one deck 
needs higher left channel and other needs higher right channel while the 
source is same.

This could be because of the capacitors, resistors whatever loosing their 
exact value in time, or other reasons????

Thanks..
Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL


> Babin/Greseth writes:
>> My 680ZX has left and right record level adjustments plus a MASTER =
>> record level.
>>
>> I usually set both at "2pm".  What are some other thoughts about optimum 
>> =
>> recording settings ???
>
> You can do whatever you want, as long as the actual recording level
> is set appropriately.  The two individual channel's adjustments serve
> as a "balance control" if your source is off-balance.
>
> I usually start with the deck in rec-pause mode, set the two channels'
> controls to minimum, and the master to maximum.  Then, play the track
> with the highest peaks and then turn the individual channels up until
> I'm happy with what the meters are reading.  Now, I have a full range
> of control on the master knob and I know it will be correct for
> that album with it in max position.  If I am recording from an LP
> I now turn the master knob down to minimum, un-pause the record mode,
> set the stylus down and then quickly fade-in by turning the master
> knob back to max.
>
> -Ti
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From ti at amb.org  Mon Dec 13 15:22:21 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:22:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL / Channel Balance
In-Reply-To: <010101c4e106$2643d6d0$1510a8c0@TG> from "Tayfur Gunay" at Dec 13,
	2004 01:23:19 PM
Message-ID: <20041213142221.D208716929@smtp.amb.org>

Tayfur Gunay writes:
> Has anyone ever experienced, even it changes from one recorder to another; 
> different decks have different tendency on one channel. I mean one deck 
> needs higher left channel and other needs higher right channel while the 
> source is same.
>
> This could be because of the capacitors, resistors whatever loosing their 
> exact value in time, or other reasons????

It's possible that the two stereo channels have slightly different gain
due to parts tolerances, but it's also likely that the channels are
actually balanced, but the level meter isn't.

-Ti
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 13 09:47:18 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:47:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F171EA7C08BBF1A46594252BEAB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F37CC47574D45C102B91CCEABAB0@phx.gbl>

Shalom Robert!

BIAS...is ONLY for record

EQ...is ONLY for playback

Happy listening!

ALEX!




>From: "ng ben" <karakapas at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:28:20 +0800
>
>I'm new to the Naks world and come previously from using basic 2-head decks 
>of other makes.
>Is bias adjustment more for playback of tapes and azimuth adjustment for 
>recording?
>Also, what do you lose out on with "bias fine tune" on my 'new' BX300 vs 
>"bias calibration" on 582Z & the higher end 680s?  I will be using my BX300 
>mainly for playback. Robert
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 13 10:44:58 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:44:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 'DRAGON' Erase Head Mode ??
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-F1964F30CC2342CB28FBAF9FBAA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F26382BE6BB41D57E74A5AAABAB0@phx.gbl>

Shalom Greg!

I also own the same machine, and it's an a very simple procedure!

Load your cassette that YOU WANT TO ERASE...., turn ON your machine ONLY!!!! 
No the pre-amp/power or something else! Rewind the cassette (I hope that the 
"EraseTap"...on the top of the cassette still there and was NOT take away), 
if WAS...close the rectangular hole with some Scotch tape...before trying to 
do something...It's IMPERATIVE...if NOT will NOT erase your already recorded 
cassette! Till here is clear?

Of course after Turn ON your machine wait till the green light on the "Stop" 
buttom stops "Flickering"...rewind the cassette and after that stops...press 
the counter buttom till show you 0000, press Record and near the Pause the 
light on the cassette cover will light red instead green, also the such 
lights in the 3 row of bottoms...will be red, after so press to TOP bottom 
with the arrow showing you right tape direction...the machine will 
"Think"..a litle bit and after that the cassette + counter will move to the 
right direction and the right arrow on the cassette door/cover will flick 
for a few seconds...til will be fix...WAIT...till the side will finish  
(DEPENDS OF THE LENGHT OF YOUR LOADED CASSETTE!), the machine will stop. 
open the cassette door, reverse the cassette and again do the same procedure 
till your side cassette will finish!

After so take away the alredy ERASED cassette from the machine, turn ON all 
your other equipment and record the "ERASED cassette again. However before 
you MUST push any of these 3 bottoms EX (Ferric/Normal type cassette) 
SX(Type 2 High Crome cassette) & ZX (Metal type cassette), on the right side 
are plenty small black buttoms (Very hard to see the REAL position) the top 
one show you the Source when pushed and Tape when is out (FOR PLAYBACK, YOUR 
MACHINE THIS BUTTOM MUST BE OUT!), after so the seconf buttom out is Feric 
120EQ or Crome/Metal 70EQ (Also depends on which type of casette you record 
or playback!), after that you have Dolby IN (Pushed) or NO DOLBY (OUT), 
after so you choice of Dolby type B or C, more buttoms better DON'T TOUCH 
THEM!

Before you record...you MUST calibrate the electronics of your machine to 
the "Type" of cassette that you want to use!

All of this matter, is important... IF you intend to record with your 
machine...you ask ONLY HOW to erase older already recorded cassettes. For 
that I hope that I help you well!

Inform us if really you understand me or to other lovely members!

Good Luck!

ALEX!




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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Mon Dec 13 15:34:30 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:34:30 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F171EA7C08BBF1A46594252BEAB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOELCCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Bias and Level can be only adjusted during the recording, and azimuth can be
adjusted during both recording and playback - Nakamichi decks range from
units allowing bias adjustment only, thru tape calibration decks, to ones
allowing all of these.

Bias fine tuning , as on BX-300 or CR3, is used during the recording phase
only, and allows for manual adjustment of the higher frequencies. You do
this by manually switching between tape and source, and adjusting bias knob
until you hear "identical" sound.

Calibration, as on CR4 or 582Z, allows for adjustment of both bias and
level. The process here is semi-automated, as the unit has bias (15Khz) and
level (400Hz) test tones built in, and recording these, you need to adjust
the level using the recording level meters. After the procedure is done, you
can still potentially adjust manually.

CR7 allows for automatic bias, level, and azimuth calibration. It also
allows for manual playback azimuth control.

Stan

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of ng ben
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:28 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune


I'm new to the Naks world and come previously from using basic 2-head decks
of other makes.
Is bias adjustment more for playback of tapes and azimuth adjustment for
recording?
Also, what do you lose out on with "bias fine tune" on my 'new' BX300 vs
"bias calibration" on 582Z & the higher end 680s?  I will be using my BX300
mainly for playback. Robert

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Dec 13 16:14:12 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:14:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Yamaha KX-690
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F15D35D9F5871B4C197F26FABAB0@phx.gbl>
References: <1055-41BCE7D7-1121@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
	<BAY23-F15D35D9F5871B4C197F26FABAB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041213092300.01b72ec0@psulias.psu.edu>

Well I finally got around to doing a head to head between these two decks 
this weekend.  Got a bunch of stuff to record from the library and wanted 
to end the speculation as to which was the Beast of the East. :)  As an 
aside, I got a bunch of Beatles CDs pre-Rubber Soul.  Those Parlophone 
disks sound like utter crap, really terrible.  The latter CDs aren't much 
better.  Can anyone recommend any top notch Beatle recordings on CD or 
LP?  Anyway, on to the show.

I chose an HDCD version of Queen's Night at the Opera for the test, 
particularly "Death on Two Legs" and "Bohemian Rhapsody", the latter of 
which seems to hit lots of different music styles, and some challenging 
passages within the stretch of 7 minutes.

I used Sony UCS-X Type II tape in both machines.

The CR-5 we're all familiar with.  Dolby C was on.  Set to standard Type II 
settings.
The KX-690 is an HX PRO machine and had Dolby S turned on.  Also has Auto 
Tape Tuning like the CR-7.

Both machines were set to peak out at +7db which both seem perfectly 
capable of handling.  After much fiddling the outputs of the two decks were 
nearly identical, and off we went.

Both machines did excellently, nothing unpleasant to report on either one 
really.  But there were some advantages, and the deck that had them was 
surprising.
Both decks had terrific bass, nice and tight and quick.  The CR-5 was 
probably slightly fuller.  As you move up in the frequency the KX-690 
really starts to shine.  The various instruments in the midrange were 
slightly more defined and open.  By the time you hit Freddy Mercury 
unleashing his amazing voice at full throttle, and Brian May sending his 
guitar solos into the stratosphere, the KX-690 was much crisper and really 
shone through with crystal clarity and a much bigger soundstage.  The CR-5 
was certainly capable, and made an excellent recording, just didn't capture 
the upper register dynamics as well.  I'm assuming this is probably where 
the HX Pro in the Yamaha really helped out.  Possibly the Dolby S, since I 
think it's a multi band NR as opposed to a single band.

When I swapped tapes for playback, oddly, the Dolby C tape the Nak made 
sounded much better in the Yamaha, than the Yamaha's tape did in the 
Nakamichi.

The act of recording is much easier on the Nak I found.  The knobs and 
buttons were easier to deal with, the level meter is MUCH bigger (although 
the Yamaha changes from orange to red when over 0db, a nice feature) and 
the Yammy automatically switches back to SOURCE monitor when you hit 
record.  That seems to be completely opposite of what one would want.  Of 
course the Yammy's one huge advantage is a real time tape counter, 
something that every Nak should have had.

The Yammy has Automatic Music Seach, which actually works, and a nice 
remote which was optional.  The Nak RW and FF at almost double the speed of 
the Yamaha.

I know Nakamichi kind of looked at HX Pro and Dolby S as gimmicks, but this 
end of the era flagship from Yamaha (late 90s, maybe into 2000) packed with 
all the latest stuff, proves that these additions were worthwhile.  A CR-7, 
Dragon, or even the late model DR-8 and DR-10, could have been world 
beaters with these fairly modest upgrades.  The KX-690 wasn't cheap, $600, 
but 1/2 the price of the CR-5.  The Yammy also has Play Trim which is a 
nice feature for playing crappy tapes, or poorly recorded tapes.  Kind of a 
cross between Playback Azimuth and Recording Bias control in reverse.

The build of both is nice.  The CR-5 is bigger and heavier, but 3 motor, 
dual capistan transport of the KX 690 (which I got to know far too well 
when changing belts) is indeed hefty.  The CR-5 is a much more attractive 
deck IMO.

Anyhow, take it for what it's worth. :)

I'll probably still pick up a dragon and sell the CR-5 (which has a new 
idler tire and is in mint condition) :) after the holidays.



From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Mon Dec 13 20:21:07 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:21:07 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] 'DRAGON'  Erase Head Mode ??
References: <BAY17-F1964F30CC2342CB28FBAF9FBAA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003c01c4e148$e6bae740$121c98de@tec>

Hello Greg

The only real way to make a blank tape is to "bulk erase" it. This does not use a recorder, but uses one half of a transformer whacking out a massive magnetic field. If you have an old transformer, take it apart and power it up. It works!

The problem with just erasing, is that you only erase the width of the head, and there may be vestigial recorded areas if the tape had been recorded on another machine.

Regards

Donald
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Greg Bauer 
  To: Naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:53 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] 'DRAGON' Erase Head Mode ??


  New to the site !!!   I have never had a need to erase a cassette tape,       ... unitl now.  I have a 'DRAGON'.   As you know there are three dedicated tape heads...   Playback, Record, and Erase.  What steps do I have to take to isolate the 'ERASE' head and create a blank tape?  There is no mention of it in the owners manuall.  Does the deck sense when you've turned down your record levels and automatically switch from record head to erase head.  Please help.  I'm feeling very stupid.  THANKS.






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From gwmunger at bestweb.net  Mon Dec 13 21:12:04 2004
From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (GeorgE)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:12:04 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RECORD LEVEL & ears
Message-ID: <41bdf794.41c0.0@bestweb.net>

Hello all: I may have missed some prior discussion on this topic and my
apologies if this email duplicates earlier responses, but I like to think
that the specific task of making a tape recording is just one part of a
total effort, (albeit a major one); the effort to prepare the tape for
listening at a  later time. 

If dubbing from an existing recording, (copying an LP to a cassette, for
example), it may not be enough to only visually level the meters and
settings and have everything **look** equal; some **Pre-Monitoring**
(listening) to a test portion of the recorded signal may also be
appropriate, before and/or during the actual dubbing, to help ensure a good
dub. If I rely only on a visual to balance the record meter levels, under
many circumstances, I may end up with an unbalanced **sound** during
playback, which may be the result of different factors. 
Factor A) Frequency-meter relationships: some frequencies sound louder that
other frequencies upon playback, even though the meter levels appeared
visually equal during recording or during playback. 
Factor B) some passages are louder (as they are supposed to be) in one
channel when compared to the other channel, etc.

It may also be a good idea to monitor the playbak during the recording
process, off the playback head (for 3-head deck users) and not the source;
you will be listening to the recording on the tape.

Try using both eyes and ears during the recording process and it may even
help reduce the desire to buy another Nak. (or not)

Regards, George Munger


>From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL
>Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:47:02 -0800 (PST)
>
>Babin/Greseth writes:
> > My 680ZX has left and right record level adjustments plus a MASTER =
> > record level.
> >
> I usually set both at "2pm".  What are some other thoughts about optimum 
>=
> > recording settings ???
>
>You can do whatever you want, as long as the actual recording level
>is set appropriately.  The two individual channel's adjustments serve
>as a "balance control" if your source is off-balance.
>
>I usually start with the deck in rec-pause mode, set the two channels'
>controls to minimum, and the master to maximum.  Then, play the track
>with the highest peaks and then turn the individual channels up until
>I'm happy with what the meters are reading.  Now, I have a full range
>of control on the master knob and I know it will be correct for
>that album with it in max position.  If I am recording from an LP
>I now turn the master knob down to minimum, un-pause the record mode,
>set the stylus down and then quickly fade-in by turning the master
>knob back to max.
>
>-Ti
>--
>Ti Kan
>http://www.amb.org/ti
>Vorsprung durch Technik


From roleo at telus.net  Mon Dec 13 23:49:05 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:49:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Canibalize for gear upgrade?
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7AD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001701c4e165$f333eef0$6501a8c0@desktop>

A good deal for US NakTalk members:

A Nak CR-2a in very good condition.  Buy it now for $50.00.  I believe this has the coveted gear 
upgrade that can be used in the CR-5 / 7  (?)

It's listed under NACKAMICHI with a 'C':

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48646&item=5737824698

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Dec 14 01:10:28 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:10:28 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  Mr Tooley
In-Reply-To: <41bdf794.41c0.0@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c4e171$51845e80$62ad4e51@oemcomputer>

John

I've been trying to send you an e-mail off list but your ISP keep bouncing
the e-mails, timed out.  Do you have another address other than
jmtooley at verizon.net?

Gra'

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 14 01:28:27 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:28:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RECORD LEVEL & ears
In-Reply-To: <41bdf794.41c0.0@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F19F1BAACA7E57C82F1E4D5ABAC0@phx.gbl>

Hi George!

With my Dragon ONCE I set the recording wolume pressing the "Source" buttom 
in...and after so Y press back to "Tape" out, and flick on my SRC SP-9 Mk-2 
control unit the "Monitor" switch...and from now WHEN recording I listen the 
TAPE...NOT my source a LP or CD. So in this way I will able to detect any 
Cassette failure (Drops, One side don't recorded (Happens me twice!!!),a 
cassette material the tape, was a defect). And if sometimes one side goes 
louder doens't matter for me I set the recording level for "AVERAGE LEVELS 
ONLY!!!" (PS...with a Dragon ZXL series the level can go till + 5 on Red and 
still good!)

Good Luck!

ALEX!




>From: "GeorgE" <gwmunger at bestweb.net>
>Reply-To: gwmunger at bestweb.net,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Re: RECORD LEVEL & ears
>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:12:04 EST
>
>Hello all: I may have missed some prior discussion on this topic and my
>apologies if this email duplicates earlier responses, but I like to think
>that the specific task of making a tape recording is just one part of a
>total effort, (albeit a major one); the effort to prepare the tape for
>listening at a  later time.
>
>If dubbing from an existing recording, (copying an LP to a cassette, for
>example), it may not be enough to only visually level the meters and
>settings and have everything **look** equal; some **Pre-Monitoring**
>(listening) to a test portion of the recorded signal may also be
>appropriate, before and/or during the actual dubbing, to help ensure a good
>dub. If I rely only on a visual to balance the record meter levels, under
>many circumstances, I may end up with an unbalanced **sound** during
>playback, which may be the result of different factors.
>Factor A) Frequency-meter relationships: some frequencies sound louder that
>other frequencies upon playback, even though the meter levels appeared
>visually equal during recording or during playback.
>Factor B) some passages are louder (as they are supposed to be) in one
>channel when compared to the other channel, etc.
>
>It may also be a good idea to monitor the playbak during the recording
>process, off the playback head (for 3-head deck users) and not the source;
>you will be listening to the recording on the tape.
>
>Try using both eyes and ears during the recording process and it may even
>help reduce the desire to buy another Nak. (or not)
>
>Regards, George Munger
>
>
> >From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RECORD LEVEL
> >Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:47:02 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Babin/Greseth writes:
> > > My 680ZX has left and right record level adjustments plus a MASTER =
> > > record level.
> > >
> > I usually set both at "2pm".  What are some other thoughts about optimum
> >=
> > > recording settings ???
> >
> >You can do whatever you want, as long as the actual recording level
> >is set appropriately.  The two individual channel's adjustments serve
> >as a "balance control" if your source is off-balance.
> >
> >I usually start with the deck in rec-pause mode, set the two channels'
> >controls to minimum, and the master to maximum.  Then, play the track
> >with the highest peaks and then turn the individual channels up until
> >I'm happy with what the meters are reading.  Now, I have a full range
> >of control on the master knob and I know it will be correct for
> >that album with it in max position.  If I am recording from an LP
> >I now turn the master knob down to minimum, un-pause the record mode,
> >set the stylus down and then quickly fade-in by turning the master
> >knob back to max.
> >
> >-Ti
> >--
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From jazzao at iprimus.com.au  Tue Dec 14 04:25:09 2004
From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au (jazzao at iprimus.com.au)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help with
	my problems with Stephen Sank?
Message-ID: <41BD092E0000111D@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au>

Hi all,

I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my Nak700ZXE
back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
you to you all.

I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got him
3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage conversion
and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks ago
and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.

I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his voicemail.
 His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he is
still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of sending the
deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the audio
component of the deck.

If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck has
been with him for nearly a year.

Thanks a lot for any assistance.

Regards
Alan



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Dec 14 10:29:55 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:29:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Yamaha KX-690
Message-ID: <s1becec2.059@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Very very interesting test Derrick!!

I want to check a couple of things with your test.  As you say the
KX-690 has auto-calibration.  Did you calibrate the deck to the UCX-S?

I think that the mid/high record saturation level on the UCX-S would be
lower than +7dB, possibly around the +3.4dB area.  No problems on the
bass though.  So, if you got clean results then all due credit to the
decks.

Just going back to the earlier point, if you did calibrate the -690, it
may have defeated the Hx-Pro circuit.  Many decks do this that I'm aware
of, such as Pioneer which automatically defeat Hx-Pro if you run BLE.

I must say that the lack of Hx-Pro on either my Alpage or Naks has
never been an issue with extreme HF fidelity.   I'm suspecting that you
might have a worn or misaligned playback head in the CR-5.  Its possible
- not saying it is so, of course.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on Dolby S - it is a wonderful thing. 
On a quiet tape, the dynamics are excellent!!   The Dolby S is indeed
muilti-band (5).  Not as good as SR though which is 10 band.

Cheers,

Marc



>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 12/13/04 05:14PM >>>
Well I finally got around to doing a head to head between these two
decks 
this weekend.  Got a bunch of stuff to record from the library and
wanted 
to end the speculation as to which was the Beast of the East. :)  As an

aside, I got a bunch of Beatles CDs pre-Rubber Soul.  Those Parlophone

disks sound like utter crap, really terrible.  The latter CDs aren't
much 
better.  Can anyone recommend any top notch Beatle recordings on CD or

LP?  Anyway, on to the show.

I chose an HDCD version of Queen's Night at the Opera for the test, 
particularly "Death on Two Legs" and "Bohemian Rhapsody", the latter of

which seems to hit lots of different music styles, and some challenging

passages within the stretch of 7 minutes.


I used Sony UCS-X Type II tape in both machines.

The CR-5 we're all familiar with.  Dolby C was on.  Set to standard
Type II 
settings.
The KX-690 is an HX PRO machine and had Dolby S turned on.  Also has
Auto 
Tape Tuning like the CR-7.

Both machines were set to peak out at +7db which both seem perfectly 
capable of handling.  After much fiddling the outputs of the two decks
were 
nearly identical, and off we went.

Both machines did excellently, nothing unpleasant to report on either
one 
really.  But there were some advantages, and the deck that had them was

surprising.
Both decks had terrific bass, nice and tight and quick.  The CR-5 was 
probably slightly fuller.  As you move up in the frequency the KX-690 
really starts to shine.  The various instruments in the midrange were 
slightly more defined and open.  By the time you hit Freddy Mercury 
unleashing his amazing voice at full throttle, and Brian May sending
his 
guitar solos into the stratosphere, the KX-690 was much crisper and
really 
shone through with crystal clarity and a much bigger soundstage.  The
CR-5 
was certainly capable, and made an excellent recording, just didn't
capture 
the upper register dynamics as well.  I'm assuming this is probably
where 
the HX Pro in the Yamaha really helped out.  Possibly the Dolby S,
since I 
think it's a multi band NR as opposed to a single band.

When I swapped tapes for playback, oddly, the Dolby C tape the Nak made

sounded much better in the Yamaha, than the Yamaha's tape did in the 
Nakamichi.

The act of recording is much easier on the Nak I found.  The knobs and

buttons were easier to deal with, the level meter is MUCH bigger
(although 
the Yamaha changes from orange to red when over 0db, a nice feature)
and 
the Yammy automatically switches back to SOURCE monitor when you hit 
record.  That seems to be completely opposite of what one would want. 
Of 
course the Yammy's one huge advantage is a real time tape counter, 
something that every Nak should have had.

The Yammy has Automatic Music Seach, which actually works, and a nice 
remote which was optional.  The Nak RW and FF at almost double the
speed of 
the Yamaha.

I know Nakamichi kind of looked at HX Pro and Dolby S as gimmicks, but
this 
end of the era flagship from Yamaha (late 90s, maybe into 2000) packed
with 
all the latest stuff, proves that these additions were worthwhile.  A
CR-7, 
Dragon, or even the late model DR-8 and DR-10, could have been world 
beaters with these fairly modest upgrades.  The KX-690 wasn't cheap,
$600, 
but 1/2 the price of the CR-5.  The Yammy also has Play Trim which is a

nice feature for playing crappy tapes, or poorly recorded tapes.  Kind
of a 
cross between Playback Azimuth and Recording Bias control in reverse.

The build of both is nice.  The CR-5 is bigger and heavier, but 3
motor, 
dual capistan transport of the KX 690 (which I got to know far too well

when changing belts) is indeed hefty.  The CR-5 is a much more
attractive 
deck IMO.

Anyhow, take it for what it's worth. :)

I'll probably still pick up a dragon and sell the CR-5 (which has a new

idler tire and is in mint condition) :) after the holidays.

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Dec 14 11:55:51 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:55:51 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Yamaha KX-690
In-Reply-To: <s1becec2.059@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <006801c4e1cb$7a332780$62ad4e51@oemcomputer>

Mark said
"Many decks do this that I'm aware of, such as Pioneer which automatically
defeat Hx-Pro if you run BLE."

I didn't realise that!  Must try as the HX-Pro is the one thing I hate about
my Pioneer ST830S

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 14 15:42:17 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:42:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help
	withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
In-Reply-To: <41BD092E0000111D@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl>

I guess Mr. Sank is off the "approved" vendor list.  This is a shame, and 
people tell me NYC is a den of thieves!

N

>From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help 
>withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
>
>Hi all,
>
>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my 
>Nak700ZXE
>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>you to you all.
>
>I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got him
>3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage conversion
>and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks ago
>and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>
>I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his 
>voicemail.
>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he is
>still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of sending the
>deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the audio
>component of the deck.
>
>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck has
>been with him for nearly a year.
>
>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>
>Regards
>Alan
>
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 18:08:48 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:08:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Canibalize for gear upgrade?
In-Reply-To: <001701c4e165$f333eef0$6501a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <20041214170848.89269.qmail@web40426.mail.yahoo.com>

Don't forget that it also has the mode control motor which is high on
the list of common failures.  I believe someone on the list said that
this motor is over $100 from Nakamichi.

SJ
--- Roland Alford <roleo at telus.net> wrote:

> A good deal for US NakTalk members:
> 
> A Nak CR-2a in very good condition.  Buy it now for $50.00.  I
> believe this has the coveted gear 
> upgrade that can be used in the CR-5 / 7  (?)
> 
> It's listed under NACKAMICHI with a 'C':
> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48646&item=5737824698
> 
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Dec 14 16:48:38 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:48:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Yamaha KX-690
In-Reply-To: <006801c4e1cb$7a332780$62ad4e51@oemcomputer>
References: <s1becec2.059@mroute.sunint.co.za>
	<006801c4e1cb$7a332780$62ad4e51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041214104831.019d1de0@psulias.psu.edu>

Why?



>I didn't realise that!  Must try as the HX-Pro is the one thing I hate about
>my Pioneer ST830S
>
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From britri at comcast.net  Tue Dec 14 18:21:12 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:21:12 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help
	withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
References: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net>

The folks at the following audio shop were helpful 
to me when I sent an expensive mac preamp to him 
which he says was stolen from his shop:



Audio Design

2225 Wyoming Ave,
Albuquerque, NM 87112

(505) 298-9185

He tried his best to pay me back in kind and I 
feel he did his best and would probably still give 
me more gratis service in repaying the debt.

I think he is a great guy who is followed by bad luck!
Contact me off line and maybe  can help you further

Brian

neil lipes wrote:
> I guess Mr. Sank is off the "approved" vendor list.  This is a shame, 
> and people tell me NYC is a den of thieves!
> 
> N
> 
>> From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help 
>> withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my 
>> Nak700ZXE
>> back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>> you to you all.
>>
>> I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and 
>> got him
>> 3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage conversion
>> and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks ago
>> and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>>
>> I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his 
>> voicemail.
>>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he is
>> still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of sending the
>> deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the audio
>> component of the deck.
>>
>> If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
>> could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck has
>> been with him for nearly a year.
>>
>> Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>>
>> Regards
>> Alan
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Dec 14 20:37:21 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:37:21 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Yamaha KX-690
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041214104831.019d1de0@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <001201c4e214$543ca3a0$21f44c51@oemcomputer>

It occasionally results in a pumping sound, rather like over-cooking with a
dynamic expander.

Gra'

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> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-5 vs Yamaha KX-690
>
>
> Why?
>
>
>
> >I didn't realise that!  Must try as the HX-Pro is the one thing
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> >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 14 23:39:25 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:39:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
	helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
Message-ID: <BAY103-F417D997C0DBF9EB1AD1FF59EAC0@phx.gbl>

Where have we all heard that before?

Does bad luck cause one to disconnect ones phone?  Does bad luck cause one 
to not return phone calls?  Does bad luck cause the very small client base 
to forgive and forget when their possessions vaporize?

Money today is hard enough to come by.........the only protection of sorts 
is to pay for repair/purchases with plastic...........to do otherwise is 
foolish at best.

That being said.........I truly feel for anyone who ships anything anywhere 
for repair and never sees it again.

N

>From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: britri at comcast.net,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to 
>helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:21:12 -0800
>
>The folks at the following audio shop were helpful to me when I sent an 
>expensive mac preamp to him which he says was stolen from his shop:
>
>
>
>Audio Design
>
>2225 Wyoming Ave,
>Albuquerque, NM 87112
>
>(505) 298-9185
>
>He tried his best to pay me back in kind and I feel he did his best and 
>would probably still give me more gratis service in repaying the debt.
>
>I think he is a great guy who is followed by bad luck!
>Contact me off line and maybe  can help you further
>
>Brian
>
>neil lipes wrote:
>>I guess Mr. Sank is off the "approved" vendor list.  This is a shame, and 
>>people tell me NYC is a den of thieves!
>>
>>N
>>
>>>From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au
>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help 
>>>withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>>>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
>>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my 
>>>Nak700ZXE
>>>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>>>you to you all.
>>>
>>>I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got 
>>>him
>>>3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage 
>>>conversion
>>>and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks ago
>>>and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>>>
>>>I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his 
>>>voicemail.
>>>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he 
>>>is
>>>still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of sending 
>>>the
>>>deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the 
>>>audio
>>>component of the deck.
>>>
>>>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
>>>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck 
>>>has
>>>been with him for nearly a year.
>>>
>>>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Alan
>>>
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Tue Dec 14 23:36:06 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:36:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help
	withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
In-Reply-To: <41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net>
References: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl>
	<41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <41BF6AD6.6020601@woods-and-waters.com>

Thanks for the tip.

As to the unresponsive Stephen Sank, Alan needs to begin taking action 
ASAP to recover his errant Nakamichi:

1. File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau NOW.

2. Get an attorney. File a lawsuit against Mr. Sank and his company NOW. 
Ask your attorney if your state has a Consumer Protection Act or the 
like. If so, file under it as well as the usual charges, which vary from 
state to state.

3. File a complaint with your State's Attorney General and Mr. Sank's 
State's Attorney General. Although you can do it directly have your 
attorney do it.

4. If you and Sank are in different states, ask your attorney if you can 
file either a complaint or an action involving the Federal Trade 
Commission because of any legal issues involving violations of proper 
conduct during interstate commerce.

Don't let ANYONE get by with unresponsiveness. It's your faithful 
Nakamichi, and it's your money. Sank OWES you either your money or your 
deck repaired. Get your deck back, get your money back -- OR GET SANK SANK!

Brian Stocker wrote:
> The folks at the following audio shop were helpful to me when I sent an 
> expensive mac preamp to him which he says was stolen from his shop:
> 
> 
> 
> Audio Design
> 
> 2225 Wyoming Ave,
> Albuquerque, NM 87112
> 
> (505) 298-9185
> 
> He tried his best to pay me back in kind and I feel he did his best and 
> would probably still give me more gratis service in repaying the debt.
> 
> I think he is a great guy who is followed by bad luck!
> Contact me off line and maybe  can help you further
> 
> Brian
> 
> neil lipes wrote:
> 
>> I guess Mr. Sank is off the "approved" vendor list.  This is a shame, 
>> and people tell me NYC is a den of thieves!
>>
>> N
>>
>>> From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au
>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to 
>>> help withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my 
>>> Nak700ZXE
>>> back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>>> you to you all.
>>>
>>> I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and 
>>> got him
>>> 3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage 
>>> conversion
>>> and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks ago
>>> and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>>>
>>> I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his 
>>> voicemail.
>>>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he is
>>> still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of 
>>> sending the
>>> deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the 
>>> audio
>>> component of the deck.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
>>> could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The 
>>> deck has
>>> been with him for nearly a year.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Wed Dec 15 02:54:46 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:54:46 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON
Message-ID: <008401c4e249$0fcc3e30$d24398de@tec>

A Dragon sold on the New Zealand auction site called trademe early this week. The vendor claimed to have owned it since new and used it for 60 hours only over that time, and not used it in the last 6 years. Nowhere did she/he claim to have checked it out to see if it was actually working properly or remotely up to spec.

It sold for NZ$705 (about US$500 at current exchange rates.

Just a snip really. I thought, nah, I cannot afford the $1000 additional to get it fixed!


Donald 


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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Wed Dec 15 05:01:33 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:01:33 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able
	tohelpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F417D997C0DBF9EB1AD1FF59EAC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIELNCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Is this an isolated incident or has there been a pattern in the past?

I just want to ensure we are not doing "contempt prior to investigation" ...

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of neil lipes
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able
tohelpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?


Where have we all heard that before?

Does bad luck cause one to disconnect ones phone?  Does bad luck cause one
to not return phone calls?  Does bad luck cause the very small client base
to forgive and forget when their possessions vaporize?

Money today is hard enough to come by.........the only protection of sorts
is to pay for repair/purchases with plastic...........to do otherwise is
foolish at best.

That being said.........I truly feel for anyone who ships anything anywhere
for repair and never sees it again.

N

>From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: britri at comcast.net,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
>helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:21:12 -0800
>
>The folks at the following audio shop were helpful to me when I sent an
>expensive mac preamp to him which he says was stolen from his shop:
>
>
>
>Audio Design
>
>2225 Wyoming Ave,
>Albuquerque, NM 87112
>
>(505) 298-9185
>
>He tried his best to pay me back in kind and I feel he did his best and
>would probably still give me more gratis service in repaying the debt.
>
>I think he is a great guy who is followed by bad luck!
>Contact me off line and maybe  can help you further
>
>Brian
>
>neil lipes wrote:
>>I guess Mr. Sank is off the "approved" vendor list.  This is a shame, and
>>people tell me NYC is a den of thieves!
>>
>>N
>>
>>>From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au
>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help
>>>withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>>>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
>>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my
>>>Nak700ZXE
>>>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>>>you to you all.
>>>
>>>I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got
>>>him
>>>3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage
>>>conversion
>>>and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks ago
>>>and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>>>
>>>I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his
>>>voicemail.
>>>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he
>>>is
>>>still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of sending
>>>the
>>>deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the
>>>audio
>>>component of the deck.
>>>
>>>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
>>>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck
>>>has
>>>been with him for nearly a year.
>>>
>>>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Alan
>>>
>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========
=
>>>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========
=
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From cestmoi at att.net  Wed Dec 15 06:08:20 2004
From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:08:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
	help with my problems with Stephen Sank?
In-Reply-To: <41BD092E0000111D@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au>
References: <41BD092E0000111D@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20041214220237.01e0fec0@postoffice.att.net>

I am a full-time student and I have final exams this week.  In addition to 
being my tape machine and microphone guy, Stephen is a friend of mine, so I 
will gladly give him a call or even stop by his house (it's about five 
minutes away), but I cannot until Thursday afternoon or Friday when my 
exams are done.  (Tomorrow:  Milton; Thursday:  The Postmodern Irish Novel.)

Stephen is an honest fellow, and I'm certain he will neither pocket your 
money nor steal your machine.  I'm not making excuses for him, but I he's 
overwhelmed with modifications and with a teenage daughter - and he has no 
help.  In my experience, he strikes me as a genuine and hard-working 
individual who has faced a great deal of bad luck.

Anyway, I'll see what I can do.

Regards,
Richard

At 08:25 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my 
>Nak700ZXE
>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>you to you all.
>
>I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got him
>3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage conversion
>and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks ago
>and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>
>I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his 
>voicemail.
>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he is
>still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of sending the
>deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the audio
>component of the deck.
>
>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck has
>been with him for nearly a year.
>
>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>
>Regards
>Alan
>
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From compu_dude at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 15 07:54:23 2004
From: compu_dude at earthlink.net (Compudude)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:54:23 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <BAY23-F336261FFC9EC2D53A918C8ABA80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007001c4e274$4d31a780$2402a8c0@WorkGroup>

Holy C#@%! The 1000ZXL Limited is finally gone for $3150.. Is the buyer
"gardenpug29" on naktalk?
I would like to hear some comments when he receives it..
_Fuad



From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Wed Dec 15 11:28:47 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:28:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
	helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
References: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl><41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net>
	<41BF6AD6.6020601@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <002001c4e290$dd60e7a0$0e92fea9@wdrewes>

Hang in fellows! Lets not get nasty on the internet.Stephen Sank is what we
call a good chap (one of the original pillars of Naktalk ,by that I mean
PILLARS! ).Lets cool it and not get out the home guard ,marines ,air force
etc etc.I am sure that the man is over loaded(  OVERLOADED  with work)
Everyone just jumps in and sends him items to repair.We advertise his
services on the internet and he is bombarded with questions and work.Maybe
his friend in NM who offered his services to do so) should rather contact
him and let the reply be directly to the aggrieved party instead of the
details being displayed over this public forum!Any one who has had dealings
with him will vouch for him and find the legal route completely out of
place!There are many more people 'dialing in'  to Naktalk than those that
send the many or occasional eMails!
I would not like to see Stephen to be lost to the Nak community.Any drastic
action will cause this certainly to be the case.I know of no one world wide
who has more knowledge than he has on our beloved Naks than STEPHEN SANK !
Our statements must please mature before they get printed and sent all over
the world----this is a big community which requires responsibility from all
of us!
Please cool it!
Walter---the African crocodile,whose eyes pierce patiently above the water!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: <britri at comcast.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?


> Thanks for the tip.
>
> As to the unresponsive Stephen Sank, Alan needs to begin taking action
> ASAP to recover his errant Nakamichi:
>
> 1. File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau NOW.
>
> 2. Get an attorney. File a lawsuit against Mr. Sank and his company NOW.
> Ask your attorney if your state has a Consumer Protection Act or the
> like. If so, file under it as well as the usual charges, which vary from
> state to state.
>
> 3. File a complaint with your State's Attorney General and Mr. Sank's
> State's Attorney General. Although you can do it directly have your
> attorney do it.
>
> 4. If you and Sank are in different states, ask your attorney if you can
> file either a complaint or an action involving the Federal Trade
> Commission because of any legal issues involving violations of proper
> conduct during interstate commerce.
>
> Don't let ANYONE get by with unresponsiveness. It's your faithful
> Nakamichi, and it's your money. Sank OWES you either your money or your
> deck repaired. Get your deck back, get your money back -- OR GET SANK
SANK!
>
> Brian Stocker wrote:
> > The folks at the following audio shop were helpful to me when I sent an
> > expensive mac preamp to him which he says was stolen from his shop:
> >
> >
> >
> > Audio Design
> >
> > 2225 Wyoming Ave,
> > Albuquerque, NM 87112
> >
> > (505) 298-9185
> >
> > He tried his best to pay me back in kind and I feel he did his best and
> > would probably still give me more gratis service in repaying the debt.
> >
> > I think he is a great guy who is followed by bad luck!
> > Contact me off line and maybe  can help you further
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > neil lipes wrote:
> >
> >> I guess Mr. Sank is off the "approved" vendor list.  This is a shame,
> >> and people tell me NYC is a den of thieves!
> >>
> >> N
> >>
> >>> From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au
> >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>> To: naktalk at naks.com
> >>> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
> >>> help withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
> >>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my
> >>> Nak700ZXE
> >>> back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice.
Thank
> >>> you to you all.
> >>>
> >>> I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and
> >>> got him
> >>> 3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage
> >>> conversion
> >>> and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks
ago
> >>> and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
> >>>
> >>> I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his
> >>> voicemail.
> >>>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he
is
> >>> still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of
> >>> sending the
> >>> deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the
> >>> audio
> >>> component of the deck.
> >>>
> >>> If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if
you
> >>> could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The
> >>> deck has
> >>> been with him for nearly a year.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot for any assistance.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Alan
> >>>
> >>>
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From karakapas at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 11:35:48 2004
From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:35:48 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOELCCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY16-F1B3EE8F8A18BCDA9F109ABEAD0@phx.gbl>

always thought azimuth adjustment was for recording except in the highest 
end CR7A & Dragon where auto or manual playback azimuth adjustment is 
possible (only what I read).   Am interested in the 680ZX and it would be an 
added bonus if it had azimuth adjustment for playback in addition to 
recording.

>From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:34:30 -0600
>
>Bias and Level can be only adjusted during the recording, and azimuth can 
>be
>adjusted during both recording and playback - Nakamichi decks range from
>units allowing bias adjustment only, thru tape calibration decks, to ones
>allowing all of these.
>
>Bias fine tuning , as on BX-300 or CR3, is used during the recording phase
>only, and allows for manual adjustment of the higher frequencies. You do
>this by manually switching between tape and source, and adjusting bias knob
>until you hear "identical" sound.
>
>Calibration, as on CR4 or 582Z, allows for adjustment of both bias and
>level. The process here is semi-automated, as the unit has bias (15Khz) and
>level (400Hz) test tones built in, and recording these, you need to adjust
>the level using the recording level meters. After the procedure is done, 
>you
>can still potentially adjust manually.
>
>CR7 allows for automatic bias, level, and azimuth calibration. It also
>allows for manual playback azimuth control.
>
>Stan
>
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>Behalf Of ng ben
>Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:28 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
>
>
>I'm new to the Naks world and come previously from using basic 2-head decks
>of other makes.
>Is bias adjustment more for playback of tapes and azimuth adjustment for
>recording?
>Also, what do you lose out on with "bias fine tune" on my 'new' BX300 vs
>"bias calibration" on 582Z & the higher end 680s?  I will be using my BX300
>mainly for playback. Robert
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 11:45:28 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:45:28 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON
In-Reply-To: <008401c4e249$0fcc3e30$d24398de@tec>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F193FD1092A744089C8D8ACABAD0@phx.gbl>

Hi Donald,

It's pity...if you chat with the vendor...check the machine or first look 
it...came with a blank cassette...instead making a conclusion that "I must 
invest $:1,000" in reparation!

OK I agree mine was a totally Gift 100% free of any payment however was 
boxed since 1984, and used only once by me at that time in his home hooked 
with his McIntosh Solid State equipment!
Works with NO problem at all!!!!

Pity again!!!

ALEX!



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>Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:54:46 +1300
>
>A Dragon sold on the New Zealand auction site called trademe early this 
>week. The vendor claimed to have owned it since new and used it for 60 
>hours only over that time, and not used it in the last 6 years. Nowhere did 
>she/he claim to have checked it out to see if it was actually working 
>properly or remotely up to spec.
>
>It sold for NZ$705 (about US$500 at current exchange rates.
>
>Just a snip really. I thought, nah, I cannot afford the $1000 additional to 
>get it fixed!
>
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From jazzao at primus.com.au  Wed Dec 15 13:09:11 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:09:11 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help with
 problems with Stephen Sank?
Message-ID: <41C02967.9000506@primus.com.au>


Richard & to everyone here,

My post was actually suggested by a long time member of this forum 
because I have run out of options.  I should actually give a background 
to my situation since people may get the wrong impression that I have 
something against Stephen but that is just not the case.  My post is a 
culmination of my experience and hope that it is seen in that perspective.

For the record I reside in Sydney Australia which is half the world away 
so I don't have any recourse to get my deck back or get my money back 
from someone overseas.

I initially contacted Stephen in January this year to ask wheher he 
would upgrade my deck which I won on ebay and replace the non working 
globes.  My arrangement with him was that I will be in the US in July 
and that I would like to bring the deck home with me to save shipping 
costs back to Sydney as this is substantial especially for a heavy deck.

He said that it would take about 3 weeks for the work I wanted done to 
the deck and that it will be ready when I arrive in the US.  I paid 
Stephen the full amount of the costs to do the work and he indicated 
that he will start it straight away.

Because of the various emails and communication with him I thought I 
would leave him alone because he was busy  as everyone here testifies.  
3 weeks before my departure I emailed Stephen to  ask whether the unit 
will be ready for pick up, I did not receive a reply to the email.  I 
waited a week then rang him.  When I got him he acknowledged that he got 
my email but said that he had been ill.

He told me that the only thing left to do on the deck was change the 
voltage and that it is not a complicated procedure.  I told him that if 
he was not well then I would wait until the time that he is able to do 
the job and I will just pay the shipping costs to Sydney.  I asked him 
what time frame does he think he will finish the job and he gave me a 
few months.

I did not try to contact him again until 3 months later in September 
when I sent a number of emails.  I did not get one single reply to this 
and I was not sure whether he was still contactable.  I also left a 
number of voicemail messages on his answering machine explaining that I 
just wanted to now if the deck is ready or if he had a chance to finish it.

I rang him every week but still did not get him until October in which 
he apologised and said he is busy and would do the voltage conversion 
and he would send me an email to let me now within a month.  I told him 
that that would be okay.

Into November and I did not get any email so rang him again.  I left 
several messages on his machine none was returned.  I finally got him at 
the start of December and I told him that I appreciate that he is busy 
but I really wanted to get a commitment date to get the job done since 
he promised that it will be done so long ago.

Stephen told me he will do it within a week and I will hear from him 
definitely with the shipping costs.  That week has now come and gone 
with not a word. When I tried to contact him his voice mail no longer 
has his voice on it and it advises that it is full so you can't leave a 
message.  I have tried to get him everyday before work and nothing.

If I can't get him through the phone and he refuses to answer emails 
then there is really nothing I can do from half the world away to find 
out what has happened.

I don't doubt that he is a honest fellow as testified by people who 
knows him well, but I'm not sure what to think given what has happened.  
I can't understand why he just won't explain the situation and why he 
keeps promising to have the deck done then forgets about it.

If he has faced some difficulties of late then I am more than agreeable 
to have the deck at a later date.  If all I get is assurances that the 
deck will be finished next week and then it is not and I don't get any 
explaination, then it creates a wrong impression.

I posted here in the forum because I don't know how to get hold of him 
if I can't leave a message and I remain in the dark on what has happened 
to my deck.

Regards
Alan



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I am a full-time student and I have final exams this week.  In addition to 
being my tape machine and microphone guy, Stephen is a friend of mine, so I 
will gladly give him a call or even stop by his house (it's about five 
minutes away), but I cannot until Thursday afternoon or Friday when my 
exams are done.  (Tomorrow:  Milton; Thursday:  The Postmodern Irish Novel.)

Stephen is an honest fellow, and I'm certain he will neither pocket your 
money nor steal your machine.  I'm not making excuses for him, but I he's 
overwhelmed with modifications and with a teenage daughter - and he has no 
help.  In my experience, he strikes me as a genuine and hard-working 
individual who has faced a great deal of bad luck.

Anyway, I'll see what I can do.

Regards,
Richard

At 08:25 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my 
>Nak700ZXE
>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>you to you all.
>
>I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got him
>3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage conversion
>and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks ago
>and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>
>I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his 
>voicemail.
>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he is
>still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of sending the
>deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the audio
>component of the deck.
>
>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck has
>been with him for nearly a year.
>
>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>
>Regards
>Alan
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Dec 15 14:59:14 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:59:14 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] While we're on the subject of long waits for Naks to come
	back from service ....
In-Reply-To: <002001c4e290$dd60e7a0$0e92fea9@wdrewes>
Message-ID: <001b01c4e2ae$428de980$54ef4c51@oemcomputer>

... my ZX9 has just arrived today from B&W!  Immaculate!   (Wonderful box,
too.  I'll keep it.)  P

So there you have it - sent out on 18 November 2004 and returned 15 December
2004, less than a month just a little later than they originally estimated.

They fully serviced the machine and replaced:
Control Vol cap
Pressure roller
Take up tape guide
Supply tape guide
Idler tyre (didn't realise it had one!)
Control motor belt
Capstan belt
Reel Hub B assembly
Lamp
Cassette case lamp
2 capacitors

All for £180 including shipping ...


Graham (smiling like the cat that got the cream ...)



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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 15:44:51 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:44:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
	helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
Message-ID: <BAY103-F39A607FA09B29BF18BA9989EAD0@phx.gbl>

This seems only too fair.  Taking ones hard earned cash and then "failing" 
to respond in an expedious manner smacks of well, you know.

N

>From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
>Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette 
>Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: britri at comcast.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to 
>helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:36:06 -0500
>
>Thanks for the tip.
>
>As to the unresponsive Stephen Sank, Alan needs to begin taking action ASAP 
>to recover his errant Nakamichi:
>
>1. File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau NOW.
>
>2. Get an attorney. File a lawsuit against Mr. Sank and his company NOW. 
>Ask your attorney if your state has a Consumer Protection Act or the like. 
>If so, file under it as well as the usual charges, which vary from state to 
>state.
>
>3. File a complaint with your State's Attorney General and Mr. Sank's 
>State's Attorney General. Although you can do it directly have your 
>attorney do it.
>
>4. If you and Sank are in different states, ask your attorney if you can 
>file either a complaint or an action involving the Federal Trade Commission 
>because of any legal issues involving violations of proper conduct during 
>interstate commerce.
>
>Don't let ANYONE get by with unresponsiveness. It's your faithful 
>Nakamichi, and it's your money. Sank OWES you either your money or your 
>deck repaired. Get your deck back, get your money back -- OR GET SANK SANK!
>
>Brian Stocker wrote:
>>The folks at the following audio shop were helpful to me when I sent an 
>>expensive mac preamp to him which he says was stolen from his shop:
>>
>>
>>
>>Audio Design
>>
>>2225 Wyoming Ave,
>>Albuquerque, NM 87112
>>
>>(505) 298-9185
>>
>>He tried his best to pay me back in kind and I feel he did his best and 
>>would probably still give me more gratis service in repaying the debt.
>>
>>I think he is a great guy who is followed by bad luck!
>>Contact me off line and maybe  can help you further
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>neil lipes wrote:
>>
>>>I guess Mr. Sank is off the "approved" vendor list.  This is a shame, and 
>>>people tell me NYC is a den of thieves!
>>>
>>>N
>>>
>>>>From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au
>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>>Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to help 
>>>>withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>>>>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
>>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my 
>>>>Nak700ZXE
>>>>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>>>>you to you all.
>>>>
>>>>I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got 
>>>>him
>>>>3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage 
>>>>conversion
>>>>and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks 
>>>>ago
>>>>and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>>>>
>>>>I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his 
>>>>voicemail.
>>>>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he 
>>>>is
>>>>still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of sending 
>>>>the
>>>>deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the 
>>>>audio
>>>>component of the deck.
>>>>
>>>>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if 
>>>>you
>>>>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck 
>>>>has
>>>>been with him for nearly a year.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Alan
>>>>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Dec 15 20:58:18 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:58:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
References: <BAY23-F336261FFC9EC2D53A918C8ABA80@phx.gbl>
	<007001c4e274$4d31a780$2402a8c0@WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <002701c4e2e0$6f4374e0$7f773242@CopyTech>

And I thought I was crazy ... I told you guys. I was sure that this deck 
would easily go over 2k, well, this time it went over 3k ! Congratulations 
to the crazy nakkie who bought it and Merry Christmas. Now he just want to 
ask Santa to bring him a truck load full of replacement parts or a bonus 
ticket to ES Labs to expend 2k more in a full refurbishing. I'm sure that 
after $6,000 (including shipping) he'll be a happy owner of a very fine 
piece.

Carlos

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Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail


> Holy C#@%! The 1000ZXL Limited is finally gone for $3150.. Is the buyer
> "gardenpug29" on naktalk?
> I would like to hear some comments when he receives it..
> _Fuad
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Dec 15 21:06:43 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:06:43 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able
	tohelpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
References: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl><41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net><41BF6AD6.6020601@woods-and-waters.com>
	<002001c4e290$dd60e7a0$0e92fea9@wdrewes>
Message-ID: <003001c4e2e1$9f573cb0$7f773242@CopyTech>

Knowing Stephen I can only agree with Walter here. But on the other hand, I 
understand our ausie comrade's desperation. One thing I'm almost sure: your 
deck or money is not lost.

I'm gonna tell you a story: Years ago I was one of the "blessed" ones who 
found a "new" 1000 ZXL still in box and all original packaging things for 
$500.00 in an estate sale from FL. The deck never played a full C-90 
cassette and had been in a closet for 10 years. Well, people old enough in 
this list know the rest.

Well, the thing is that the machine had a lot of things wrong, so, I send it 
to NM. Stephen got the machine and hold it for 1 year. I asked him why the 
delay after our friend in England found the infamous RAM chip. He just told 
me that he was in a bad economical shape and he couldn't afford the chips 
but was afraid to tell me.

So guys, this is the kind of man we are dealing with. Honest and a very good 
economical Nak technician. I'm sure that Richard will find him and 
everything would be straight up.

Carlos

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From: "wme drewes" <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
To: <graker at woods-and-waters.com>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able 
tohelpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?


Hang in fellows! Lets not get nasty on the internet.Stephen Sank is what we
call a good chap (one of the original pillars of Naktalk ,by that I mean
PILLARS! ).Lets cool it and not get out the home guard ,marines ,air force
etc etc.I am sure that the man is over loaded(  OVERLOADED  with work)
Everyone just jumps in and sends him items to repair.We advertise his
services on the internet and he is bombarded with questions and work.Maybe
his friend in NM who offered his services to do so) should rather contact
him and let the reply be directly to the aggrieved party instead of the
details being displayed over this public forum!Any one who has had dealings
with him will vouch for him and find the legal route completely out of
place!There are many more people 'dialing in'  to Naktalk than those that
send the many or occasional eMails!
I would not like to see Stephen to be lost to the Nak community.Any drastic
action will cause this certainly to be the case.I know of no one world wide
who has more knowledge than he has on our beloved Naks than STEPHEN SANK !
Our statements must please mature before they get printed and sent all over
the world----this is a big community which requires responsibility from all
of us!
Please cool it!
Walter---the African crocodile,whose eyes pierce patiently above the water!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: <britri at comcast.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?


> Thanks for the tip.
>
> As to the unresponsive Stephen Sank, Alan needs to begin taking action
> ASAP to recover his errant Nakamichi:
>
> 1. File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau NOW.
>
> 2. Get an attorney. File a lawsuit against Mr. Sank and his company NOW.
> Ask your attorney if your state has a Consumer Protection Act or the
> like. If so, file under it as well as the usual charges, which vary from
> state to state.
>
> 3. File a complaint with your State's Attorney General and Mr. Sank's
> State's Attorney General. Although you can do it directly have your
> attorney do it.
>
> 4. If you and Sank are in different states, ask your attorney if you can
> file either a complaint or an action involving the Federal Trade
> Commission because of any legal issues involving violations of proper
> conduct during interstate commerce.
>
> Don't let ANYONE get by with unresponsiveness. It's your faithful
> Nakamichi, and it's your money. Sank OWES you either your money or your
> deck repaired. Get your deck back, get your money back -- OR GET SANK
SANK!
>
> Brian Stocker wrote:
> > The folks at the following audio shop were helpful to me when I sent an
> > expensive mac preamp to him which he says was stolen from his shop:
> >
> >
> >
> > Audio Design
> >
> > 2225 Wyoming Ave,
> > Albuquerque, NM 87112
> >
> > (505) 298-9185
> >
> > He tried his best to pay me back in kind and I feel he did his best and
> > would probably still give me more gratis service in repaying the debt.
> >
> > I think he is a great guy who is followed by bad luck!
> > Contact me off line and maybe  can help you further
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > neil lipes wrote:
> >
> >> I guess Mr. Sank is off the "approved" vendor list.  This is a shame,
> >> and people tell me NYC is a den of thieves!
> >>
> >> N
> >>
> >>> From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au
> >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>> To: naktalk at naks.com
> >>> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
> >>> help withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
> >>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my
> >>> Nak700ZXE
> >>> back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice.
Thank
> >>> you to you all.
> >>>
> >>> I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and
> >>> got him
> >>> 3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage
> >>> conversion
> >>> and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks
ago
> >>> and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
> >>>
> >>> I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his
> >>> voicemail.
> >>>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he
is
> >>> still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of
> >>> sending the
> >>> deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the
> >>> audio
> >>> component of the deck.
> >>>
> >>> If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if
you
> >>> could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The
> >>> deck has
> >>> been with him for nearly a year.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot for any assistance.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Alan
> >>>
> >>>
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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Wed Dec 15 17:35:21 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WME Drewes)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:35:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] USPS airmail parcels
Message-ID: <002201c4e2c4$35bd91e0$d1ccfea9@drewescomp>

For those of you who dont know,USPS for some reason or other will not send by airmail electronic equipment.I have had Air Mail items fully despatched as "air mail" heavily endorsed by the the PO  as"surface mail" (or something similiar).The stuff has been Hi-Fi equipment only.I get the stuff 3 Full months after despatch from the USA.with no apology or explanation why the surface mail route was switched to.But then one lives at the southern tip of Africa where it was quicker to receive parcels from the States in 1870  without the use of planes or modern technology!
Guys,if I ever need help of any kind(being besotted with Naks might be an indication that I do! ) please do not discuss it over the internet,which I firmly believe,however well intended,will just make matters worse for me.If any one feels offended by what I have written please forgive me and dont hold it against me as I can also understand anger and disappointment which some might have experienced! 
Regards
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Dec 15 18:37:24 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:37:24 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] USPS airmail parcels
In-Reply-To: <002201c4e2c4$35bd91e0$d1ccfea9@drewescomp>
Message-ID: <002101c4e2cc$bd22d980$038b4c51@oemcomputer>

Walter said: "For those of you who dont know,USPS for some reason or other
will not send by airmail electronic equipment."

Interesting.  Does anyone know since when this happened?  I have previously
taken delivery of items via USPS airmail before to the UK.

Gra'

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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 18:25:27 2004
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:25:27 -0700
Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able tohelp
	with my problems with Stephen Sank?
Message-ID: <BAY10-F509FAF3F35C9CE0C8FAB99DBAD0@phx.gbl>

Very well said Richard. I also have met with Mr. Sank and he is truly an 
honest fellow. God bless this man!

>From: Richard Obenauf <cestmoi at att.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able tohelp 
>with my problems with Stephen Sank?
>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:08:20 -0700
>
>I am a full-time student and I have final exams this week.  In addition to 
>being my tape machine and microphone guy, Stephen is a friend of mine, so I 
>will gladly give him a call or even stop by his house (it's about five 
>minutes away), but I cannot until Thursday afternoon or Friday when my 
>exams are done.  (Tomorrow:  Milton; Thursday:  The Postmodern Irish 
>Novel.)
>
>Stephen is an honest fellow, and I'm certain he will neither pocket your 
>money nor steal your machine.  I'm not making excuses for him, but I he's 
>overwhelmed with modifications and with a teenage daughter - and he has no 
>help.  In my experience, he strikes me as a genuine and hard-working 
>individual who has faced a great deal of bad luck.
>
>Anyway, I'll see what I can do.
>
>Regards,
>Richard
>
>At 08:25 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my 
>>Nak700ZXE
>>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>>you to you all.
>>
>>I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got 
>>him
>>3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage conversion
>>and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks ago
>>and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>>
>>I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his 
>>voicemail.
>>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that he is
>>still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of sending the
>>deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the audio
>>component of the deck.
>>
>>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
>>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck has
>>been with him for nearly a year.
>>
>>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>>
>>Regards
>>Alan
>>
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From jberger at well.com  Wed Dec 15 19:09:10 2004
From: jberger at well.com (John Berger)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:09:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <200412151551.iBFFp3HQ005329@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200412151551.iBFFp3HQ005329@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0412151008150.2165@well.com>

Don't forget the extra $50 to get a new vanity plate made with the owner's
name.



From flifton at mac.com  Wed Dec 15 19:15:35 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:15:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] problems with Stephen Sank?
In-Reply-To: <200412151100.iBFB0EHP004637@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200412151100.iBFB0EHP004637@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <50A69952-4EC5-11D9-BD06-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
My inherently trusting nature (yeah, I'm a liberal) makes me want to 
agree with Walter. I don't know Stephen very well at all, but I do 
recognize that people with his skills and abilities are rare and 
getting rarer. And I have a powerfully strong belief in fixing things 
rather than throwing them away, especially lovely things like our Naks! 
If there are other wiling Nakkers, perhaps there is something we, the 
users of his services, can do to help him help us? Stephen, if you're 
out there listening, is there any way a coalition of willing Naktalkers 
could help you get caught up? I know many of us are far from you, but 
maybe we could help with a computer project or correspondence or a 
repair database or something? I'm willing to do something for Stephen 
to help him stay in business and in our good graces, but I need to know 
what.

At the risk of getting too personal and making assumptions, I even have 
a good suggestion for teenage daughters: send 'em to Camp Unalayee in 
Northern California. They run great summer programs for all sorts of 
kids and I have seen them work miracles with difficult kids (I should 
know, I was one of them).

So, Stephen, if there's anything we can do, please let me know. And 
nakkers, if any of you are willing to help, let me know, on or off 
list. Please folks, good techs are very hard to find, let's not further 
entangle one of the best with legal proceedings unless we've exhausted 
every other possibility.
best,
Fred

On Dec 15, 2004, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

>
> From: wme drewes <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
> Date: December 15, 2004 2:28:47 AM PST
> To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> Cc: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able 
> to helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
> Hang in fellows! Lets not get nasty on the internet.Stephen Sank is 
> what we
> call a good chap (one of the original pillars of Naktalk ,by that I 
> mean
> PILLARS! ).Lets cool it and not get out the home guard ,marines ,air 
> force
> etc etc.I am sure that the man is over loaded(  OVERLOADED  with work)
> Everyone just jumps in and sends him items to repair.We advertise his
> services on the internet and he is bombarded with questions and 
> work.Maybe
> his friend in NM who offered his services to do so) should rather 
> contact
> him and let the reply be directly to the aggrieved party instead of the
> details being displayed over this public forum!Any one who has had 
> dealings
> with him will vouch for him and find the legal route completely out of
> place!There are many more people 'dialing in'  to Naktalk than those 
> that
> send the many or occasional eMails!
> I would not like to see Stephen to be lost to the Nak community.Any 
> drastic
> action will cause this certainly to be the case.I know of no one world 
> wide
> who has more knowledge than he has on our beloved Naks than STEPHEN 
> SANK !
> Our statements must please mature before they get printed and sent all 
> over
> the world----this is a big community which requires responsibility 
> from all
> of us!
> Please cool it!
> Walter---the African crocodile,whose eyes pierce patiently above the 
> water!
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From greynolds at newsguy.com  Wed Dec 15 20:13:23 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:13:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able
	tohelpwith my problems with Stephen Sank?
References: <BAY10-F509FAF3F35C9CE0C8FAB99DBAD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004801c4e2da$2927ab30$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com>

From: "Mark Exstedt" <mark8559 at hotmail.com>

> Very well said Richard. I also have met with Mr. Sank and he is truly an
> honest fellow. God bless this man!

Regardless of how good Stephan is (and the numerous testiments on this forum
make it clear that he does excellent work), he does have an obligation to at
least keep customers informed about what's going on, especially when he has
been paid in advance.  At some point he needs to deliver on a promise -
constantly saying a month, a week, 2 weeks, another money, quickly erodes
confidence.  If the answer is that he's ill (or whatever) and it will be at
least another 6 months (or something), he'd be better off being honest about
it in the long run.  But letting his voice mail fill up and not responding
to email is an easy way to get someone to panic that they'll never see their
prized possession again.
-- 
Geoffrey Reynolds



From britri at comcast.net  Wed Dec 15 22:43:54 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:43:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] problems with Stephen Sank?
References: <200412151100.iBFB0EHP004637@zebra.naks.com>
	<50A69952-4EC5-11D9-BD06-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41C0B01A.4000004@comcast.net>

What a kind idea, Fred.  I feel the same way about 
Stephen.  He has even  offered to put me up at his 
home and become an apprentice.  He has some very 
interesting ideas about life, the government, etc. 
  He is a rare individual and he needs our support.

Brian

Fred Lifton wrote:
> Hi all,
> My inherently trusting nature (yeah, I'm a liberal) makes me want to 
> agree with Walter. I don't know Stephen very well at all, but I do 
> recognize that people with his skills and abilities are rare and getting 
> rarer. And I have a powerfully strong belief in fixing things rather 
> than throwing them away, especially lovely things like our Naks! If 
> there are other wiling Nakkers, perhaps there is something we, the users 
> of his services, can do to help him help us? Stephen, if you're out 
> there listening, is there any way a coalition of willing Naktalkers 
> could help you get caught up? I know many of us are far from you, but 
> maybe we could help with a computer project or correspondence or a 
> repair database or something? I'm willing to do something for Stephen to 
> help him stay in business and in our good graces, but I need to know what.
> 
> At the risk of getting too personal and making assumptions, I even have 
> a good suggestion for teenage daughters: send 'em to Camp Unalayee in 
> Northern California. They run great summer programs for all sorts of 
> kids and I have seen them work miracles with difficult kids (I should 
> know, I was one of them).
> 
> So, Stephen, if there's anything we can do, please let me know. And 
> nakkers, if any of you are willing to help, let me know, on or off list. 
> Please folks, good techs are very hard to find, let's not further 
> entangle one of the best with legal proceedings unless we've exhausted 
> every other possibility.
> best,
> Fred
> 
> On Dec 15, 2004, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: wme drewes <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
>     Date: December 15, 2004 2:28:47 AM PST
>     To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>     <naktalk at naks.com>
>     Cc: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be
>     able to helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>     Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> 
> 
>     Hang in fellows! Lets not get nasty on the internet.Stephen Sank is
>     what we
>     call a good chap (one of the original pillars of Naktalk ,by that I
>     mean
>     PILLARS! ).Lets cool it and not get out the home guard ,marines ,air
>     force
>     etc etc.I am sure that the man is over loaded( OVERLOADED with work)
>     Everyone just jumps in and sends him items to repair.We advertise his
>     services on the internet and he is bombarded with questions and
>     work.Maybe
>     his friend in NM who offered his services to do so) should rather
>     contact
>     him and let the reply be directly to the aggrieved party instead of the
>     details being displayed over this public forum!Any one who has had
>     dealings
>     with him will vouch for him and find the legal route completely out of
>     place!There are many more people 'dialing in' to Naktalk than those
>     that
>     send the many or occasional eMails!
>     I would not like to see Stephen to be lost to the Nak community.Any
>     drastic
>     action will cause this certainly to be the case.I know of no one
>     world wide
>     who has more knowledge than he has on our beloved Naks than STEPHEN
>     SANK !
>     Our statements must please mature before they get printed and sent
>     all over
>     the world----this is a big community which requires responsibility
>     from all
>     of us!
>     Please cool it!
>     Walter---the African crocodile,whose eyes pierce patiently above the
>     water!
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Dec 15 20:52:54 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:52:54 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] problems with Stephen Sank?
In-Reply-To: <50A69952-4EC5-11D9-BD06-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4e2df$ab0914e0$99994c51@oemcomputer>

I second that.

But we can't help you, Stephen, if you don't talk to us!  So, answer your
f###g e-mails, yer twit!!

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Fred Lifton
  Sent: 15 December 2004 18:16
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] problems with Stephen Sank?


  Hi all,
  My inherently trusting nature (yeah, I'm a liberal) makes me want to agree
with Walter. I don't know Stephen very well at all, but I do recognize that
people with his skills and abilities are rare and getting rarer. And I have
a powerfully strong belief in fixing things rather than throwing them away,
especially lovely things like our Naks! If there are other wiling Nakkers,
perhaps there is something we, the users of his services, can do to help him
help us? Stephen, if you're out there listening, is there any way a
coalition of willing Naktalkers could help you get caught up? I know many of
us are far from you, but maybe we could help with a computer project or
correspondence or a repair database or something? I'm willing to do
something for Stephen to help him stay in business and in our good graces,
but I need to know what.

  At the risk of getting too personal and making assumptions, I even have a
good suggestion for teenage daughters: send 'em to Camp Unalayee in Northern
California. They run great summer programs for all sorts of kids and I have
seen them work miracles with difficult kids (I should know, I was one of
them).

  So, Stephen, if there's anything we can do, please let me know. And
nakkers, if any of you are willing to help, let me know, on or off list.
Please folks, good techs are very hard to find, let's not further entangle
one of the best with legal proceedings unless we've exhausted every other
possibility.
  best,
  Fred

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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Wed Dec 15 23:07:22 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:07:22 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F1B3EE8F8A18BCDA9F109ABEAD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEMDCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

What I meant was that by definition azimuth control can be applied during
both recording and playback and can be manual or computer controlled for
both.

As far as the actual execution, the 6xx ZX series had it for recording only,
Cassette Deck 1 and a couple others for playback only, and Dragon and CR7
for both recording and playback. ESL Labs offer ZX-9's, or at least used to,
with the playback azimuth, but the $1,500+ price of entry was pretty steep
two years ago.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of ng ben
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:36 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias fine tune


always thought azimuth adjustment was for recording except in the highest
end CR7A & Dragon where auto or manual playback azimuth adjustment is
possible (only what I read).   Am interested in the 680ZX and it would be an
added bonus if it had azimuth adjustment for playback in addition to
recording.

>From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:34:30 -0600
>
>Bias and Level can be only adjusted during the recording, and azimuth can
>be
>adjusted during both recording and playback - Nakamichi decks range from
>units allowing bias adjustment only, thru tape calibration decks, to ones
>allowing all of these.
>
>Bias fine tuning , as on BX-300 or CR3, is used during the recording phase
>only, and allows for manual adjustment of the higher frequencies. You do
>this by manually switching between tape and source, and adjusting bias knob
>until you hear "identical" sound.
>
>Calibration, as on CR4 or 582Z, allows for adjustment of both bias and
>level. The process here is semi-automated, as the unit has bias (15Khz) and
>level (400Hz) test tones built in, and recording these, you need to adjust
>the level using the recording level meters. After the procedure is done,
>you
>can still potentially adjust manually.
>
>CR7 allows for automatic bias, level, and azimuth calibration. It also
>allows for manual playback azimuth control.
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of ng ben
>Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:28 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
>
>
>I'm new to the Naks world and come previously from using basic 2-head decks
>of other makes.
>Is bias adjustment more for playback of tapes and azimuth adjustment for
>recording?
>Also, what do you lose out on with "bias fine tune" on my 'new' BX300 vs
>"bias calibration" on 582Z & the higher end 680s?  I will be using my BX300
>mainly for playback. Robert
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Wed Dec 15 22:36:53 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:36:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] EZ AC Adapter, Take 2.
Message-ID: <41C0AE75.7070702@woods-and-waters.com>

Hello Naka-denizens!

Recently, I was packing up the generic replacement Nakamichi 550 AC 
adapter I had reverse engineered when I decided to test it quickly 
first. It's a good thing I did. My Nakamichi 550 just sat there, blank, 
dead. Hmmm...but I had tested it for correct polarity before it went on 
the shelf. Should work. Puzzled, I got out my authentic Nakamichi 550 AC 
adapter and plugged it in. The 550 sprang to life. Luscious music poured 
forth.

More puzzled, I got the multitester then checked the polarity of the 
4-pin DIN plug on both adapters. The same. Both should work because both 
are 12 VDC and both plugs were wired correctly, no shorts, and no opens. 
  Right? Apparently not.

OK, I thought, my home-made adapter must be putting out less than 12 
VDC. Should have tested its voltage output before declaring victory. 
Voltage checks of both AC adapters gave these results: Genuine 
Nakadaptor: 15 VDC unloaded. Homebrew adapter: 19 VDC unloaded. Oops. 
Hypothesis not suported.

I decided to do something clever: read the label on the Genuine 
Naka-daptor. "12 VDC 500 mA." Ah ha. My homebrew reads: "12 VDC. 800 
mA." Surprisingly, having too much current seems to prevent the adapter 
from working with a 550. Strange. My new hypothesis is that the 
Nakamichi 550's voltage regulator trips out to protect the unit from 
excessive current.

So last week, I ordered new AC adapters, 12 VDC, 500 mA from Jameco. One 
unregulated, one regulated. They arrived today in an ugly brown delivery 
truck. This weekend, I'll put plugs on both, then see if the Nakamichi 
550 runs. If not, I'm in for a bit of head-scratching.

It's a good thing I didn't put up that web page yet. The info would have 
been wrong.  (Note To Self: there's more to creating replacement AC 
adapters than voltage and the polarity of the plug!)

More news later!

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Dec 15 20:52:57 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:52:57 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able
	tohelpwith my problems with Stephen Sank?
In-Reply-To: <BAY10-F509FAF3F35C9CE0C8FAB99DBAD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001201c4e2df$acd5e5a0$99994c51@oemcomputer>

I agree, but right now, much more is needed than character testimonials from
those of us who are Stephen's old mates.  They don't help poor Alan who's
waited far too long to get his deck back.   It takes a lot of effort to bank
a valuable stock of goodwill but you can lose it all overnight.

Sort out Alan's deck, Stephen, and then tell us what you need to get you
through the dark place and out the other side into the light.  You ain't
going to do it on your own, and if you try, you'll not find anyone left when
you finally emerge ... trust me on this!!!  I know only too well.  Once
buried myself in the pit for too long a time and lost just about all my
friends and a damned good woman, too - used up all the goodwill I'd banked
with them, often just by blanking them when they tried to help.  Some folk
are trying to throw you a line here - grab it!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Exstedt
> Sent: 15 December 2004 17:25
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able
> tohelpwith my problems with Stephen Sank?
>
>
> Very well said Richard. I also have met with Mr. Sank and he is truly an
> honest fellow. God bless this man!
>
> >From: Richard Obenauf <cestmoi at att.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be
> able tohelp
> >with my problems with Stephen Sank?
> >Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:08:20 -0700
> >
> >I am a full-time student and I have final exams this week.  In
> addition to
> >being my tape machine and microphone guy, Stephen is a friend of
> mine, so I
> >will gladly give him a call or even stop by his house (it's about five
> >minutes away), but I cannot until Thursday afternoon or Friday when my
> >exams are done.  (Tomorrow:  Milton; Thursday:  The Postmodern Irish
> >Novel.)
> >
> >Stephen is an honest fellow, and I'm certain he will neither pocket your
> >money nor steal your machine.  I'm not making excuses for him,
> but I he's
> >overwhelmed with modifications and with a teenage daughter - and
> he has no
> >help.  In my experience, he strikes me as a genuine and hard-working
> >individual who has faced a great deal of bad luck.
> >
> >Anyway, I'll see what I can do.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Richard
> >
> >At 08:25 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my
> >>Nak700ZXE
> >>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
> >>you to you all.
> >>
> >>I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got
> >>him
> >>3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage
> conversion
> >>and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two
> weeks ago
> >>and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
> >>
> >>I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his
> >>voicemail.
> >>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state
> that he is
> >>still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of
> sending the
> >>deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade
> all the audio
> >>component of the deck.
> >>
> >>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would
> appreciate if you
> >>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.
> The deck has
> >>been with him for nearly a year.
> >>
> >>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>Alan
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 23:39:11 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:39:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <002701c4e2e0$6f4374e0$7f773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F7C99E064BB746F36719D29EAD0@phx.gbl>

I need a raise after reading that!

>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:58:18 -0800
>
>And I thought I was crazy ... I told you guys. I was sure that this deck 
>would easily go over 2k, well, this time it went over 3k ! Congratulations 
>to the crazy nakkie who bought it and Merry Christmas. Now he just want to 
>ask Santa to bring him a truck load full of replacement parts or a bonus 
>ticket to ES Labs to expend 2k more in a full refurbishing. I'm sure that 
>after $6,000 (including shipping) he'll be a happy owner of a very fine 
>piece.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Compudude" <compu_dude at earthlink.net>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>
>
>>Holy C#@%! The 1000ZXL Limited is finally gone for $3150.. Is the buyer
>>"gardenpug29" on naktalk?
>>I would like to hear some comments when he receives it..
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 16 00:58:15 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:58:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjust
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEMDCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20041215235815.80724.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com>

I just want to clarify the azimuth schemes of the various decks with
azimuth adjust capability.

The 660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX and 682ZX automatically adjust the
record head azimuth to the stationary playback head during record
auto calibration.  On the plain 680 the record head must be manually
adjusted to the playback.

The CR-7, Cassette Deck 1, DR-1, TD-500, TD-700 and TD-800 have
manual playback azimuth adjustment during playback only.  On the CR-7
(and maybe the Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1 too) the front panel azimuth
pot is bypassed and the playback head is automatically adjusted to
the record head.  When switching to play the head rotates back to the
position idicated by the azimuth adjust pot.

The Dragon, with NAAC, automatically adjusts the playback head to the
tape during playback and is automatically adjusted to the record head
in record mode.  No manual adjustment is possible.  The TD-1200 with
NAAC performs exactly like the Dragon, but, in play only since is
doesn't record.

Scott J.

On the 6xx ZX series the record head is moved to match the stationary
playback head.  On the Dragon and CR-7A the playback head is moved to
match the stationary record head during recording and during playback
the Dragon (and TD-1200) automatically adjusts playback azimuth to
match the tape while the CR-7 is manually adjusted via a front panel
control like the Cassette Deck 1, TD-500, TD-

--- Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:

> What I meant was that by definition azimuth control can be applied
> during
> both recording and playback and can be manual or computer
> controlled for
> both.
> 
> As far as the actual execution, the 6xx ZX series had it for
> recording only,
> Cassette Deck 1 and a couple others for playback only, and Dragon
> and CR7
> for both recording and playback. ESL Labs offer ZX-9's, or at least
> used to,
> with the playback azimuth, but the $1,500+ price of entry was
> pretty steep
> two years ago.
> 
> Stan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of ng ben
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:36 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
> 
> 
> always thought azimuth adjustment was for recording except in the
> highest
> end CR7A & Dragon where auto or manual playback azimuth adjustment
> is
> possible (only what I read).   Am interested in the 680ZX and it
> would be an
> added bonus if it had azimuth adjustment for playback in addition
> to
> recording.
> 
> >From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
> >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:34:30 -0600
> >
> >Bias and Level can be only adjusted during the recording, and
> azimuth can
> >be
> >adjusted during both recording and playback - Nakamichi decks
> range from
> >units allowing bias adjustment only, thru tape calibration decks,
> to ones
> >allowing all of these.
> >
> >Bias fine tuning , as on BX-300 or CR3, is used during the
> recording phase
> >only, and allows for manual adjustment of the higher frequencies.
> You do
> >this by manually switching between tape and source, and adjusting
> bias knob
> >until you hear "identical" sound.
> >
> >Calibration, as on CR4 or 582Z, allows for adjustment of both bias
> and
> >level. The process here is semi-automated, as the unit has bias
> (15Khz) and
> >level (400Hz) test tones built in, and recording these, you need
> to adjust
> >the level using the recording level meters. After the procedure is
> done,
> >you
> >can still potentially adjust manually.
> >
> >CR7 allows for automatic bias, level, and azimuth calibration. It
> also
> >allows for manual playback azimuth control.
> >
> >Stan
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >Behalf Of ng ben
> >Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:28 PM
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
> >
> >
> >I'm new to the Naks world and come previously from using basic
> 2-head decks
> >of other makes.
> >Is bias adjustment more for playback of tapes and azimuth
> adjustment for
> >recording?
> >Also, what do you lose out on with "bias fine tune" on my 'new'
> BX300 vs
> >"bias calibration" on 582Z & the higher end 680s?  I will be using
> my BX300
> >mainly for playback. Robert
> >
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From BMWJPC at aol.com  Thu Dec 16 01:24:24 2004
From: BMWJPC at aol.com (BMWJPC at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:24:24 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
Message-ID: <df.8e05fe6.2ef22fb8@aol.com>

I have had but one dealing w/Mr. Sank.

I learned of him from this forum and called his place of business looking for 
ADVICE and left a message saying just that. This was within the last 8 months 
by the way.  Not to purchase or make use of his services, just advice. Really 
didn't expect a return call - figured I'd need to call him back and catch him 
at the shop (no problem with that).  

The man called me back, ON HIS DIME - LONG DISTANCE and spoke with me for 
close to a half hour.  He was looking up websites on the phone for me, telling me 
where to get replacement parts for my current, non-Nak, deck, etc.   I 
mentioned in our conversation that this was a long distance call for him a few times 
and he brushed it aside and went on giving me invaluable insights into the 
Nak I was considering purchasing.  

I was in audio sales for over ten years and let me tell you one thing - this 
guys the real deal.  No one but a true believer and good human being does this 
kind of thing.  I can count on one hand the folks I met in the business (and 
I met hundreds)  who have this kind of dedication.  

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on his integrity coming thru in the 
end.  He does not strike me as the kind of fellow who would take advantage of 
anyone.  I think things will work out for anyone currently having issues with 
his services. Although I have no personal experience with his work, his 
reputation is stellar.  His competitors even acknowledge this.

Count me as a strong supporter.  



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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 16 04:51:41 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:51:41 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] While we're on the subject of long waits for Naks to
	comeback from
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4e2ae$428de980$54ef4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F80360A231FBC38C139033ABAE0@phx.gbl>

Lopvely Graham!

NOW I 100% know WHERE to send my Dragon...IF...& WHEN...will get ill! I hope 
that to Israel they will agree to receive for service & ship back also...and 
NOT only in UK?

Happy Listening and continue enjoing your ZX9 machine...for many years!

Faithfully always,

ALEX!



>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] While we're on the subject of long waits for Naks to 
>comeback from service ....
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:59:14 -0000
>
>... my ZX9 has just arrived today from B&W!  Immaculate!   (Wonderful box,
>too.  I'll keep it.)  P
>
>So there you have it - sent out on 18 November 2004 and returned 15 
>December
>2004, less than a month just a little later than they originally estimated.
>
>They fully serviced the machine and replaced:
>Control Vol cap
>Pressure roller
>Take up tape guide
>Supply tape guide
>Idler tyre (didn't realise it had one!)
>Control motor belt
>Capstan belt
>Reel Hub B assembly
>Lamp
>Cassette case lamp
>2 capacitors
>
>All for �180 including shipping ...
>
>
>Graham (smiling like the cat that got the cream ...)
>
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 16 05:06:12 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:06:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F7C99E064BB746F36719D29EAD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F20570863190F341A6F236CABAE0@phx.gbl>

Neil....You are the Buyer of this machine?

I really hope NOT?????

ALEX!



>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:39:11 -0500
>
>I need a raise after reading that!
>
>>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:58:18 -0800
>>
>>And I thought I was crazy ... I told you guys. I was sure that this deck 
>>would easily go over 2k, well, this time it went over 3k ! Congratulations 
>>to the crazy nakkie who bought it and Merry Christmas. Now he just want to 
>>ask Santa to bring him a truck load full of replacement parts or a bonus 
>>ticket to ES Labs to expend 2k more in a full refurbishing. I'm sure that 
>>after $6,000 (including shipping) he'll be a happy owner of a very fine 
>>piece.
>>
>>Carlos
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Compudude" <compu_dude at earthlink.net>
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Holy Grail
>>
>>
>>>Holy C#@%! The 1000ZXL Limited is finally gone for $3150.. Is the buyer
>>>"gardenpug29" on naktalk?
>>>I would like to hear some comments when he receives it..
>>>_Fuad
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 16 05:00:40 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:00:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be abletohelpwithmy
	problems w
In-Reply-To: <003001c4e2e1$9f573cb0$7f773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F327D22B949228F306BA7EBABAE0@phx.gbl>

SO...FOLKS!

Seems me that B&W in UK will do reparations better; cheaper and faster...I'm 
wrong...?

Of course from Israel UK is near that US...!

Cheers!

ALEX!



>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be 
>abletohelpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:06:43 -0800
>
>Knowing Stephen I can only agree with Walter here. But on the other hand, I 
>understand our ausie comrade's desperation. One thing I'm almost sure: your 
>deck or money is not lost.
>
>I'm gonna tell you a story: Years ago I was one of the "blessed" ones who 
>found a "new" 1000 ZXL still in box and all original packaging things for 
>$500.00 in an estate sale from FL. The deck never played a full C-90 
>cassette and had been in a closet for 10 years. Well, people old enough in 
>this list know the rest.
>
>Well, the thing is that the machine had a lot of things wrong, so, I send 
>it to NM. Stephen got the machine and hold it for 1 year. I asked him why 
>the delay after our friend in England found the infamous RAM chip. He just 
>told me that he was in a bad economical shape and he couldn't afford the 
>chips but was afraid to tell me.
>
>So guys, this is the kind of man we are dealing with. Honest and a very 
>good economical Nak technician. I'm sure that Richard will find him and 
>everything would be straight up.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "wme drewes" <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
>To: <graker at woods-and-waters.com>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able 
>tohelpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>
>
>Hang in fellows! Lets not get nasty on the internet.Stephen Sank is what we
>call a good chap (one of the original pillars of Naktalk ,by that I mean
>PILLARS! ).Lets cool it and not get out the home guard ,marines ,air force
>etc etc.I am sure that the man is over loaded(  OVERLOADED  with work)
>Everyone just jumps in and sends him items to repair.We advertise his
>services on the internet and he is bombarded with questions and work.Maybe
>his friend in NM who offered his services to do so) should rather contact
>him and let the reply be directly to the aggrieved party instead of the
>details being displayed over this public forum!Any one who has had dealings
>with him will vouch for him and find the legal route completely out of
>place!There are many more people 'dialing in'  to Naktalk than those that
>send the many or occasional eMails!
>I would not like to see Stephen to be lost to the Nak community.Any drastic
>action will cause this certainly to be the case.I know of no one world wide
>who has more knowledge than he has on our beloved Naks than STEPHEN SANK !
>Our statements must please mature before they get printed and sent all over
>the world----this is a big community which requires responsibility from all
>of us!
>Please cool it!
>Walter---the African crocodile,whose eyes pierce patiently above the water!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
>To: <britri at comcast.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
><naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
>helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>
>
>>Thanks for the tip.
>>
>>As to the unresponsive Stephen Sank, Alan needs to begin taking action
>>ASAP to recover his errant Nakamichi:
>>
>>1. File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau NOW.
>>
>>2. Get an attorney. File a lawsuit against Mr. Sank and his company NOW.
>>Ask your attorney if your state has a Consumer Protection Act or the
>>like. If so, file under it as well as the usual charges, which vary from
>>state to state.
>>
>>3. File a complaint with your State's Attorney General and Mr. Sank's
>>State's Attorney General. Although you can do it directly have your
>>attorney do it.
>>
>>4. If you and Sank are in different states, ask your attorney if you can
>>file either a complaint or an action involving the Federal Trade
>>Commission because of any legal issues involving violations of proper
>>conduct during interstate commerce.
>>
>>Don't let ANYONE get by with unresponsiveness. It's your faithful
>>Nakamichi, and it's your money. Sank OWES you either your money or your
>>deck repaired. Get your deck back, get your money back -- OR GET SANK
>SANK!
>>
>>Brian Stocker wrote:
>> > The folks at the following audio shop were helpful to me when I sent an
>> > expensive mac preamp to him which he says was stolen from his shop:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Audio Design
>> >
>> > 2225 Wyoming Ave,
>> > Albuquerque, NM 87112
>> >
>> > (505) 298-9185
>> >
>> > He tried his best to pay me back in kind and I feel he did his best and
>> > would probably still give me more gratis service in repaying the debt.
>> >
>> > I think he is a great guy who is followed by bad luck!
>> > Contact me off line and maybe  can help you further
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > neil lipes wrote:
>> >
>> >> I guess Mr. Sank is off the "approved" vendor list.  This is a shame,
>> >> and people tell me NYC is a den of thieves!
>> >>
>> >> N
>> >>
>> >>> From: jazzao at iprimus.com.au
>> >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> >>> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
>> >>> help withmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>> >>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:25:09 +1100
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my
>> >>> Nak700ZXE
>> >>> back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice.
>Thank
>> >>> you to you all.
>> >>>
>> >>> I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and
>> >>> got him
>> >>> 3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage
>> >>> conversion
>> >>> and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two weeks
>ago
>> >>> and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
>> >>>
>> >>> I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his
>> >>> voicemail.
>> >>>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state that 
>>he
>is
>> >>> still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of
>> >>> sending the
>> >>> deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade all the
>> >>> audio
>> >>> component of the deck.
>> >>>
>> >>> If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if
>you
>> >>> could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The
>> >>> deck has
>> >>> been with him for nearly a year.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards
>> >>> Alan
>> >>>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 16 05:04:17 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:04:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjust
In-Reply-To: <20041215235815.80724.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F379E2CF137649A411A1077ABAE0@phx.gbl>

Bravo Scott!

Superb & nice explanation!!!!

ALEX!



>From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth adjust
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:58:15 -0800 (PST)
>
>I just want to clarify the azimuth schemes of the various decks with
>azimuth adjust capability.
>
>The 660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX and 682ZX automatically adjust the
>record head azimuth to the stationary playback head during record
>auto calibration.  On the plain 680 the record head must be manually
>adjusted to the playback.
>
>The CR-7, Cassette Deck 1, DR-1, TD-500, TD-700 and TD-800 have
>manual playback azimuth adjustment during playback only.  On the CR-7
>(and maybe the Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1 too) the front panel azimuth
>pot is bypassed and the playback head is automatically adjusted to
>the record head.  When switching to play the head rotates back to the
>position idicated by the azimuth adjust pot.
>
>The Dragon, with NAAC, automatically adjusts the playback head to the
>tape during playback and is automatically adjusted to the record head
>in record mode.  No manual adjustment is possible.  The TD-1200 with
>NAAC performs exactly like the Dragon, but, in play only since is
>doesn't record.
>
>Scott J.
>
>On the 6xx ZX series the record head is moved to match the stationary
>playback head.  On the Dragon and CR-7A the playback head is moved to
>match the stationary record head during recording and during playback
>the Dragon (and TD-1200) automatically adjusts playback azimuth to
>match the tape while the CR-7 is manually adjusted via a front panel
>control like the Cassette Deck 1, TD-500, TD-
>
>--- Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > What I meant was that by definition azimuth control can be applied
> > during
> > both recording and playback and can be manual or computer
> > controlled for
> > both.
> >
> > As far as the actual execution, the 6xx ZX series had it for
> > recording only,
> > Cassette Deck 1 and a couple others for playback only, and Dragon
> > and CR7
> > for both recording and playback. ESL Labs offer ZX-9's, or at least
> > used to,
> > with the playback azimuth, but the $1,500+ price of entry was
> > pretty steep
> > two years ago.
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of ng ben
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:36 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
> >
> >
> > always thought azimuth adjustment was for recording except in the
> > highest
> > end CR7A & Dragon where auto or manual playback azimuth adjustment
> > is
> > possible (only what I read).   Am interested in the 680ZX and it
> > would be an
> > added bonus if it had azimuth adjustment for playback in addition
> > to
> > recording.
> >
> > >From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:34:30 -0600
> > >
> > >Bias and Level can be only adjusted during the recording, and
> > azimuth can
> > >be
> > >adjusted during both recording and playback - Nakamichi decks
> > range from
> > >units allowing bias adjustment only, thru tape calibration decks,
> > to ones
> > >allowing all of these.
> > >
> > >Bias fine tuning , as on BX-300 or CR3, is used during the
> > recording phase
> > >only, and allows for manual adjustment of the higher frequencies.
> > You do
> > >this by manually switching between tape and source, and adjusting
> > bias knob
> > >until you hear "identical" sound.
> > >
> > >Calibration, as on CR4 or 582Z, allows for adjustment of both bias
> > and
> > >level. The process here is semi-automated, as the unit has bias
> > (15Khz) and
> > >level (400Hz) test tones built in, and recording these, you need
> > to adjust
> > >the level using the recording level meters. After the procedure is
> > done,
> > >you
> > >can still potentially adjust manually.
> > >
> > >CR7 allows for automatic bias, level, and azimuth calibration. It
> > also
> > >allows for manual playback azimuth control.
> > >
> > >Stan
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > >Behalf Of ng ben
> > >Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:28 PM
> > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >Subject: [naktalk] Bias fine tune
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm new to the Naks world and come previously from using basic
> > 2-head decks
> > >of other makes.
> > >Is bias adjustment more for playback of tapes and azimuth
> > adjustment for
> > >recording?
> > >Also, what do you lose out on with "bias fine tune" on my 'new'
> > BX300 vs
> > >"bias calibration" on 582Z & the higher end 680s?  I will be using
> > my BX300
> > >mainly for playback. Robert
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Dec 16 17:35:58 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:35:58 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Help with Nak OMS-7 & CDR's 
Message-ID: <9546-41C1B96E-1139@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>

Hello , I have a question cocerning CDr compatability with my Nak
OMS-7.Just on a whim i tried a CDR from one of my brothers home studio
demo. recording on my NAk. OMS-7,which is supposed to be incmpatable
with this format,not having the new tchnology in the circuit.Well,it
played through perfectly,much to my astonishment.I tried again with the
same c.d'r with an older PIoneer  CD7010 CD Player,and it too plays the
cdr without any problems. Is ths just an aberration.I dont have another
CDr yet to check if maybe this might just be an odd case of a cdr which
just happens to play,while others do not. I talked to Steven Sank a
couple weeks ago and  He told me that there was an alignment procedure
required which was fairly involved for an OMS-7 to be able to lay the
CDR's,and that he would do it for me.Any help from someone on this
issue-I'm puzzled! ALso-i am still needing a manuel for the OM7s,as i am
trying to see if it can be made to have a didgital output.Steven said it
couldnt,but there is a digital expert wo said he would check the circuit
to see if he could design one.

thank you very much,
gerald



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 16 20:31:02 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:31:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Help with Nak OMS-7 & CDR's 
In-Reply-To: <9546-41C1B96E-1139@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20041216193103.64763.qmail@web40428.mail.yahoo.com>

I had heard a long time ago that CD-R's gave roughly 50-70% the
signal amplitude of a pressed CD and that most CD players should be
able to play them, but, there may be cases where they can't.  If a CD
player can't play a CD-R it might just be a matter of a slight
adjustment, but, this is not an easy task.  I seem to remember
Stephan saying that he has to play a variety of pressed CD's to find
the working range on one of the adjustment pots and then try a
variety of CD-R to find their working range and adjust it for a
overlaping part of the range.  I believe he said it could take quite
a while to perform and in some cases won't allow playback of ALL
pressed CD's and CD-R.

The issue with CD-RW's is a little different.  I heard that the
signal is 5-10% of that of a pressed CD and that an AGC (automatic
gain control or circuit) is required to read these discs.

I am not at all surprised that your OMS-7 plays that one CD-R.  I
would be surprised if it played more than 80% of CD-R, especially
those burned at high x speeds and even more surprised if it could
play even one CD-RW.

Scott J.



--- "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net> wrote:

> Hello , I have a question cocerning CDr compatability with my Nak
> OMS-7.Just on a whim i tried a CDR from one of my brothers home
> studio
> demo. recording on my NAk. OMS-7,which is supposed to be
> incmpatable
> with this format,not having the new tchnology in the
> circuit.Well,it
> played through perfectly,much to my astonishment.I tried again with
> the
> same c.d'r with an older PIoneer  CD7010 CD Player,and it too plays
> the
> cdr without any problems. Is ths just an aberration.I dont have
> another
> CDr yet to check if maybe this might just be an odd case of a cdr
> which
> just happens to play,while others do not. I talked to Steven Sank a
> couple weeks ago and  He told me that there was an alignment
> procedure
> required which was fairly involved for an OMS-7 to be able to lay
> the
> CDR's,and that he would do it for me.Any help from someone on this
> issue-I'm puzzled! ALso-i am still needing a manuel for the OM7s,as
> i am
> trying to see if it can be made to have a didgital output.Steven
> said it
> couldnt,but there is a digital expert wo said he would check the
> circuit
> to see if he could design one.
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
> 
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Dec 16 22:09:14 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:09:14 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7BA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I will second that. I too have had dealing with Stephen, I bought a RX505
off him. He not only sold it to me at a great price but did a voltage
conversion at a low cost of around $25 - $50 (can't remember exactly). The
unit did take some time to get ready and I personally think that this was
due to his ill health, I spoke to him over the phone to see how things were
going and he told me about his condition not being too well. At the moment I
battling a case of the flu and I've been off for almost a week, imagine if
Stephen was even more ill than I, yet he still makes an effort to keep
going. Well the deck arrived and it was simply perfection, I could not fault
(nor was expecting a fault) the unit and to this day it's still the best one
in my small fleet of Naks.
 
    I support Stephen and hope that he gets in touch with us soon.
 
    Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: BMWJPC at aol.com [mailto:BMWJPC at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 11:24
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story


IIf I were a betting man, I'd put my money on his integrity coming thru in
the end.  He does not strike me as the kind of fellow who would take
advantage of anyone.  I think things will work out for anyone currently
having issues with his services. Although I have no personal experience with
his work, his reputation is stellar.  His competitors even acknowledge this.

Count me as a strong supporter.  





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From kjbleus at charter.net  Fri Dec 17 03:12:19 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:12:19 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 & Cassette.... 
Message-ID: <000a01c4e3dd$daa37700$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

A busy year for me, yet I usually made the effort to catch up on NakTalk email digest reading each weekend.  

Of course, my music listening and use of Nak analogue gear has continued, that with a bit of NakChatting done in moderate doses.  Tonight, its Steve Winwood's album, "About Time", recorded on Maxell MX-S cassette, played on the RX-505.  Sure, its set on continuous mode, w/o noise reduction, sounds exceptionally nice.  Bonus tracks with that album are live versions of Traffic's "Mr Fantasy", and Hendrix's "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)".

Astounding performance by Winwood, et al.

So, I've been browsing around, and found a curious MFSL release that I'd like to have a listen to sometime.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=2532680601&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V

I'm wondering if any NakTalkers might have this MFSL anniversary sampler, and would be willing to swap a cassette of music.  If that is possible, contact me off of NakTalk (due respect to the majority), anytime over the holidays.  I can offer a selection of other quality samplers, including the Ltd Edition Marathon Tape release on metal cassette as a return favor.

Oh, and I am still working on remedies for the ZX-9 rehab project, progress is being made thru the winter weeks of December :-}}

Seasons Greetings to my friends....

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Dec 17 08:01:16 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:01:16 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be
	abletohelpwith my problems with Stephen Sank?
References: <001201c4e2df$acd5e5a0$99994c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001501c4e406$34db23d0$0b773242@CopyTech>

Now, I'm really gonna cry, Gra'.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be 
abletohelpwith my problems with Stephen Sank?


I agree, but right now, much more is needed than character testimonials from
those of us who are Stephen's old mates.  They don't help poor Alan who's
waited far too long to get his deck back.   It takes a lot of effort to bank
a valuable stock of goodwill but you can lose it all overnight.

Sort out Alan's deck, Stephen, and then tell us what you need to get you
through the dark place and out the other side into the light.  You ain't
going to do it on your own, and if you try, you'll not find anyone left when
you finally emerge ... trust me on this!!!  I know only too well.  Once
buried myself in the pit for too long a time and lost just about all my
friends and a damned good woman, too - used up all the goodwill I'd banked
with them, often just by blanking them when they tried to help.  Some folk
are trying to throw you a line here - grab it!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Exstedt
> Sent: 15 December 2004 17:25
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able
> tohelpwith my problems with Stephen Sank?
>
>
> Very well said Richard. I also have met with Mr. Sank and he is truly an
> honest fellow. God bless this man!
>
> >From: Richard Obenauf <cestmoi at att.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be
> able tohelp
> >with my problems with Stephen Sank?
> >Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:08:20 -0700
> >
> >I am a full-time student and I have final exams this week.  In
> addition to
> >being my tape machine and microphone guy, Stephen is a friend of
> mine, so I
> >will gladly give him a call or even stop by his house (it's about five
> >minutes away), but I cannot until Thursday afternoon or Friday when my
> >exams are done.  (Tomorrow:  Milton; Thursday:  The Postmodern Irish
> >Novel.)
> >
> >Stephen is an honest fellow, and I'm certain he will neither pocket your
> >money nor steal your machine.  I'm not making excuses for him,
> but I he's
> >overwhelmed with modifications and with a teenage daughter - and
> he has no
> >help.  In my experience, he strikes me as a genuine and hard-working
> >individual who has faced a great deal of bad luck.
> >
> >Anyway, I'll see what I can do.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Richard
> >
> >At 08:25 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my
> >>Nak700ZXE
> >>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
> >>you to you all.
> >>
> >>I persisted in telephoning him and emails for the last 3 months and got
> >>him
> >>3 times on the phone in which he promised to finish the voltage
> conversion
> >>and give me shipping costs to Sydney.  The last contact was two
> weeks ago
> >>and again he has failed to contact me for shipping costs.
> >>
> >>I rang him today but the two telephone numbers no longer goes to his
> >>voicemail.
> >>  His voice is no longer on the answering machine or even state
> that he is
> >>still connected.  I am now concern that he has no intention of
> sending the
> >>deck to me and have pocketed the money I paid him to upgrade
> all the audio
> >>component of the deck.
> >>
> >>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would
> appreciate if you
> >>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.
> The deck has
> >>been with him for nearly a year.
> >>
> >>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>Alan
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 16 11:33:53 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:33:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] A very kindly help & or information!
Message-ID: <BAY23-F19E3569FF8210E83BCCDA9ABAE0@phx.gbl>


Hi to all of my dear Friends!

Today an a very close friend of mine received as a gift a Nakamichi DVD 
model 10-S!

In his name I will be very happy if some of you can mail me back any 
information on such particularly DVD? If will be possible the Instruction 
Owner Manual + IF exist; also the Service Manual!

Thanks so much for your Noble effort!

Yours faithfully,

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From greynolds at newsguy.com  Fri Dec 17 00:44:37 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:44:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7BA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001f01c4e3c9$366532f0$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k>

I think a lot of people are missing the point here...

I don't think anyone doubts that Stephen is a good guy, does excellent work,
charges reasonable prices, etc.

BUT, there has to be some accountability in keeping communication open with
customers and delivering on promises at some point.  I see tons of people
stepping up to defend Stephen, but see little to no sympathy for the guy who
is still without his deck after all the time that has passed and promises
made to him by Stephen.  Most of the posts speak of past experiences with
Stephen, has anyone had any RECENT good experiences with Stephen?

The fact that Stephen has offered exemplery service in the past doesn't mean
that something hasn't changed for the worse.  If he's in ill health, or has
other influences that disrupt his work, he should either turn down work that
he can't get to or set expectations appropriately.  If he's honest up front
that it very likely will be a year or more before he gets to an item, the
customer can either choose to wait (and have no good reason to complain) or
go to another repair center.

If he has some sort of health (or other personal) problem that has suddenly
made him incapable of doing his job or even communicating with people, there
certainly should be some room for understanding, but he does eventually owe
his customers (especially those who have paid up front) some sort of
reasonable explanation.
--
Geoffrey Reynolds

From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>


> I will second that. I too have had dealing with Stephen, I bought a RX505
> off him. He not only sold it to me at a great price but did a voltage
> conversion at a low cost of around $25 - $50 (can't remember exactly). The
> unit did take some time to get ready and I personally think that this was
> due to his ill health, I spoke to him over the phone to see how things
were
> going and he told me about his condition not being too well. At the moment
I
> battling a case of the flu and I've been off for almost a week, imagine if
> Stephen was even more ill than I, yet he still makes an effort to keep
> going. Well the deck arrived and it was simply perfection, I could not
fault
> (nor was expecting a fault) the unit and to this day it's still the best
one
> in my small fleet of Naks.
>
>     I support Stephen and hope that he gets in touch with us soon.
>
>     Tom Siomopoulos.



From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 17 03:57:37 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:57:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Famous sponsers for Maxell Cassettes?
Message-ID: <20041217025737.50990.qmail@web40629.mail.yahoo.com>

I know TDK had Stevie Wonder as there spokesman for
years selling there tapes but i can't remember if
Maxell ever had a Famous person as there cassette tape
sponser does anyone know if Maxell ever did?Thanks for
all the fun...Keith. 


		
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From cestmoi at att.net  Fri Dec 17 06:29:55 2004
From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:29:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
	help with my problems with Stephen Sank?
In-Reply-To: <41BD092E0000111D@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au>
References: <41BD092E0000111D@cpms01.int.iprimus.net.au>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20041216222052.01e20ec0@postoffice.att.net>

Hello everyone,

I have alerted Stephen to your concerns, and he is, as we suspected, indeed 
overwhelmed but is working overtime as usual to try to keep up.  He should 
be in touch with you soon and may even be back on this list (!) 
shortly.  Again, I am only a kind New Mexican and not his business 
associate, so if you have any further inquiries, please direct them to 
Stephen at bk11 at thuntek.net and not to me.

Regards,
Richard


At 08:25 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've posted in the past about getting some advice as to how to get my 
>Nak700ZXE
>back from Stephen Sank and I have followed everyone's kind advice. Thank
>you to you all.
>
><snip>
>
>If anyone has any dealings with him personally, I would appreciate if you
>could tell me if he is around and what the hell is going on.  The deck has
>been with him for nearly a year.
>
>Thanks a lot for any assistance.
>
>Regards
>Alan



From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Dec 17 14:51:17 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:51:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
References: <000a01c4e3dd$daa37700$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <013f01c4e43f$7bc44770$1510a8c0@TG>

Hi everybody.

Have always felt and physically tested that any recording made on esp. 3-head Nak Decks, are pretty brilliant than the original / source. In fact, at the time of /after recoding, source & copy seemed identical, however, when the recorded tape played (say in your car cass.player) and if you have built-in CD player as well, tape recordings are pretty brilliant and may be lacks of bass. Isnt it annoying being still not hi-fi enough despite our costly invested machines??? Or, am I taking it too detailed, or it is so due to very wide range of frequency Nak machines??? When I made recording on NAD6300, I have less felt this trouble, iow, higher fidelity.(better bass, normal treble)

Thanks for the comments...
Tayfur
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Dec 17 15:28:24 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:28:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
Message-ID: <s1c30939.017@mroute.sunint.co.za>

HI Tayfur,

The older Naks, (not sure about the more recent ones) have a different
EQ curve in the rec cycle that is matched and correctly decoded in the
playback cycle.  So, your experience is not one of fildelity per se,
than a Nak idiosycracy that makes recordings made on the first and
second generation Naks sound a tad bright in playback on non-Naks.  

Try recording without Dolby for playback in your car, otherwise use
that venerable NAD 6300!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 12/17/04 03:51PM >>>
Hi everybody.

Have always felt and physically tested that any recording made on esp.
3-head Nak Decks, are pretty brilliant than the original / source. In
fact, at the time of /after recoding, source & copy seemed identical,
however, when the recorded tape played (say in your car cass.player) and
if you have built-in CD player as well, tape recordings are pretty
brilliant and may be lacks of bass. Isnt it annoying being still not
hi-fi enough despite our costly invested machines??? Or, am I taking it
too detailed, or it is so due to very wide range of frequency Nak
machines??? When I made recording on NAD6300, I have less felt this
trouble, iow, higher fidelity.(better bass, normal treble)

Thanks for the comments...
Tayfur

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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Dec 17 15:40:41 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:40:41 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
Message-ID: <017601c4e446$62a4d5f0$1510a8c0@TG>


Subject: Re: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks


Thanks for your comments Mark,

My experience was with ZX9. Such brightness getting more and more (getting
far from fidelity) when you create second, third generation copies(tape to
tape recordings) which proves my opinion to some extend.
Am I wrong??? Thanks . Tayfur

And never do I use Dolby encoding.......

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> To: <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>; <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
>
>
>> HI Tayfur,
>>
>> The older Naks, (not sure about the more recent ones) have a different
>> EQ curve in the rec cycle that is matched and correctly decoded in the
>> playback cycle.  So, your experience is not one of fildelity per se,
>> than a Nak idiosycracy that makes recordings made on the first and
>> second generation Naks sound a tad bright in playback on non-Naks.
>>
>> Try recording without Dolby for playback in your car, otherwise use
>> that venerable NAD 6300!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>>>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 12/17/04 03:51PM >>>
>> Hi everybody.
>>
>> Have always felt and physically tested that any recording made on esp.
>> 3-head Nak Decks, are pretty brilliant than the original / source. In
>> fact, at the time of /after recoding, source & copy seemed identical,
>> however, when the recorded tape played (say in your car cass.player) and
>> if you have built-in CD player as well, tape recordings are pretty
>> brilliant and may be lacks of bass. Isnt it annoying being still not
>> hi-fi enough despite our costly invested machines??? Or, am I taking it
>> too detailed, or it is so due to very wide range of frequency Nak
>> machines??? When I made recording on NAD6300, I have less felt this
>> trouble, iow, higher fidelity.(better bass, normal treble)
>>
>> Thanks for the comments...
>> Tayfur
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 17 17:40:12 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:40:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
In-Reply-To: <s1c30939.017@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <20041217164012.28649.qmail@web40422.mail.yahoo.com>

> than a Nak idiosycracy that makes recordings made on the first and
> second generation Naks sound a tad bright in playback on non-Naks. 

It's the other way around.  Older Nak decks (with IEC1 equalization)
played back on non-Nak decks (with IEC2 equalization) with about a
1-3 dB decrease in the top ene, not an increase.  That would be
recorded with IEC2 and played back with IEC1.

You can find more info on my FAQ web page
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
in sections 
Nakamichi CR-7A Equalization Upgrade 
IEC1 & IEC2 (by Stephan Sank) 
and 
MR-1B and equalization differences (applies to the MR-2B also) 

Scott J.


--- Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za> wrote:

> HI Tayfur,
> 
> The older Naks, (not sure about the more recent ones) have a
> different
> EQ curve in the rec cycle that is matched and correctly decoded in
> the
> playback cycle.  So, your experience is not one of fildelity per
> se,
> than a Nak idiosycracy that makes recordings made on the first and
> second generation Naks sound a tad bright in playback on non-Naks. 
> 
> 
> Try recording without Dolby for playback in your car, otherwise use
> that venerable NAD 6300!!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marc
> 
> >>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 12/17/04 03:51PM >>>
> Hi everybody.
> 
> Have always felt and physically tested that any recording made on
> esp.
> 3-head Nak Decks, are pretty brilliant than the original / source.
> In
> fact, at the time of /after recoding, source & copy seemed
> identical,
> however, when the recorded tape played (say in your car
> cass.player) and
> if you have built-in CD player as well, tape recordings are pretty
> brilliant and may be lacks of bass. Isnt it annoying being still
> not
> hi-fi enough despite our costly invested machines??? Or, am I
> taking it
> too detailed, or it is so due to very wide range of frequency Nak
> machines??? When I made recording on NAD6300, I have less felt this
> trouble, iow, higher fidelity.(better bass, normal treble)
> 
> Thanks for the comments...
> Tayfur
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 17 15:31:57 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:31:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1380F94C74FF4189CC9C719EAF0@phx.gbl>

The point exactly.........nothing else  need be said........It's great that 
things were rosy in the past, but that warm and fuzzy feeling fades FAST 
when one believes he/she is getting hosed!

I think Mr. Sank should rise to the occasion and make some kind of comment 
concerning this "controversy"   to do nothing will only tarnish his 
reputation.

N

>From: greynolds at newsguy.com
>Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:44:37 -0500
>
>I think a lot of people are missing the point here...
>
>I don't think anyone doubts that Stephen is a good guy, does excellent 
>work,
>charges reasonable prices, etc.
>
>BUT, there has to be some accountability in keeping communication open with
>customers and delivering on promises at some point.  I see tons of people
>stepping up to defend Stephen, but see little to no sympathy for the guy 
>who
>is still without his deck after all the time that has passed and promises
>made to him by Stephen.  Most of the posts speak of past experiences with
>Stephen, has anyone had any RECENT good experiences with Stephen?
>
>The fact that Stephen has offered exemplery service in the past doesn't 
>mean
>that something hasn't changed for the worse.  If he's in ill health, or has
>other influences that disrupt his work, he should either turn down work 
>that
>he can't get to or set expectations appropriately.  If he's honest up front
>that it very likely will be a year or more before he gets to an item, the
>customer can either choose to wait (and have no good reason to complain) or
>go to another repair center.
>
>If he has some sort of health (or other personal) problem that has suddenly
>made him incapable of doing his job or even communicating with people, 
>there
>certainly should be some room for understanding, but he does eventually owe
>his customers (especially those who have paid up front) some sort of
>reasonable explanation.
>--
>Geoffrey Reynolds
>
>From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>
>
> > I will second that. I too have had dealing with Stephen, I bought a 
>RX505
> > off him. He not only sold it to me at a great price but did a voltage
> > conversion at a low cost of around $25 - $50 (can't remember exactly). 
>The
> > unit did take some time to get ready and I personally think that this 
>was
> > due to his ill health, I spoke to him over the phone to see how things
>were
> > going and he told me about his condition not being too well. At the 
>moment
>I
> > battling a case of the flu and I've been off for almost a week, imagine 
>if
> > Stephen was even more ill than I, yet he still makes an effort to keep
> > going. Well the deck arrived and it was simply perfection, I could not
>fault
> > (nor was expecting a fault) the unit and to this day it's still the best
>one
> > in my small fleet of Naks.
> >
> >     I support Stephen and hope that he gets in touch with us soon.
> >
> >     Tom Siomopoulos.
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec 17 17:14:23 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:14:23 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
In-Reply-To: <017601c4e446$62a4d5f0$1510a8c0@TG>
Message-ID: <000501c4e453$78e7eb60$9c954c51@oemcomputer>

Isn't this a symptom of the non-standard Nak' playback equalisation?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Tayfur Gunay
> Sent: 17 December 2004 14:41
> To: Talk about Naks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
>
>
> Thanks for your comments Mark,
>
> My experience was with ZX9. Such brightness getting more and more (getting
> far from fidelity) when you create second, third generation copies(tape to
> tape recordings) which proves my opinion to some extend.
> Am I wrong??? Thanks . Tayfur
>
> And never do I use Dolby encoding.......
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> > To: <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>; <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 4:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
> >
> >
> >> HI Tayfur,
> >>
> >> The older Naks, (not sure about the more recent ones) have a different
> >> EQ curve in the rec cycle that is matched and correctly decoded in the
> >> playback cycle.  So, your experience is not one of fildelity per se,
> >> than a Nak idiosycracy that makes recordings made on the first and
> >> second generation Naks sound a tad bright in playback on non-Naks.
> >>
> >> Try recording without Dolby for playback in your car, otherwise use
> >> that venerable NAD 6300!!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >>>>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 12/17/04 03:51PM >>>
> >> Hi everybody.
> >>
> >> Have always felt and physically tested that any recording made on esp.
> >> 3-head Nak Decks, are pretty brilliant than the original / source. In
> >> fact, at the time of /after recoding, source & copy seemed identical,
> >> however, when the recorded tape played (say in your car
> cass.player) and
> >> if you have built-in CD player as well, tape recordings are pretty
> >> brilliant and may be lacks of bass. Isnt it annoying being still not
> >> hi-fi enough despite our costly invested machines??? Or, am I taking it
> >> too detailed, or it is so due to very wide range of frequency Nak
> >> machines??? When I made recording on NAD6300, I have less felt this
> >> trouble, iow, higher fidelity.(better bass, normal treble)
> >>
> >> Thanks for the comments...
> >> Tayfur
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 17 17:23:57 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:23:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
In-Reply-To: <s1c30939.017@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F1887F92074EEB3D5E57BE5ABAF0@phx.gbl>

Bravo Mark!

I ALWAYS...record my "For use in y Car Gear"...with NO dolby at all!!!.

As if you use Dolby "B" mostly...in the car playback radio/tape the sound 
will be extremely bright.

PS...I never TRY Dolby "C" in any cassette intend to be hear on my car!

Be well!l

ALEX!



>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] High-Fidelity(?) Of Nak Decks
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:28:24 +0200
>
>HI Tayfur,
>
>The older Naks, (not sure about the more recent ones) have a different
>EQ curve in the rec cycle that is matched and correctly decoded in the
>playback cycle.  So, your experience is not one of fildelity per se,
>than a Nak idiosycracy that makes recordings made on the first and
>second generation Naks sound a tad bright in playback on non-Naks.
>
>Try recording without Dolby for playback in your car, otherwise use
>that venerable NAD 6300!!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc
>
> >>> t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr 12/17/04 03:51PM >>>
>Hi everybody.
>
>Have always felt and physically tested that any recording made on esp.
>3-head Nak Decks, are pretty brilliant than the original / source. In
>fact, at the time of /after recoding, source & copy seemed identical,
>however, when the recorded tape played (say in your car cass.player) and
>if you have built-in CD player as well, tape recordings are pretty
>brilliant and may be lacks of bass. Isnt it annoying being still not
>hi-fi enough despite our costly invested machines??? Or, am I taking it
>too detailed, or it is so due to very wide range of frequency Nak
>machines??? When I made recording on NAD6300, I have less felt this
>trouble, iow, higher fidelity.(better bass, normal treble)
>
>Thanks for the comments...
>Tayfur
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From ssully at panix.com  Fri Dec 17 20:06:50 2004
From: ssully at panix.com (Steven Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:06:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [naktalk] list of decks with continuous auto playback azimuth
	adjust?
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0412171404410.27646@panix5.panix.com>


Couldn't find FAQs or Web info that answerd this, so I
  hope you'll indulge me --

Besides the Dragon, what Nak decks (or other brand decks)
perform continuous automatic playback azimuth adjustment?





From ssully at panix.com  Fri Dec 17 20:11:18 2004
From: ssully at panix.com (Steven Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:11:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [naktalk] ooops (re: playback azimuth adjsut)
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0412171408560.15292@panix5.panix.com>



I see now that the question was mostly answered in a post
by Scott Johnson...*yesterday*.

But I'd still like to know if any other brands/models besides Nak
do this neat trick.  Thanks.





From enoyes at snet.net  Sat Dec 18 07:15:09 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:15:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F1380F94C74FF4189CC9C719EAF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F1380F94C74FF4189CC9C719EAF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41C3CAED.7090202@snet.net>

I think Stephen would probably rise to the occasion except that he has 
not been on this list for probably several years now. Until his friend 
made mention of the situation, it is safe to assume that he had no idea 
of all this discussion about him. Ironically, the reason he opted out 
from the list was because keeping up with posts and offering his great 
advice was taking so much time away from work that he was falling 
increasingly behind on getting stuff done.

Ed

neil lipes wrote:

> The point exactly.........nothing else need be said........It's great 
> that things were rosy in the past, but that warm and fuzzy feeling 
> fades FAST when one believes he/she is getting hosed!
>
> I think Mr. Sank should rise to the occasion and make some kind of 
> comment concerning this "controversy" to do nothing will only tarnish 
> his reputation.
>
> N
>
>> From: greynolds at newsguy.com
>> Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>> <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
>> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:44:37 -0500
>>
>> I think a lot of people are missing the point here...
>>
>> I don't think anyone doubts that Stephen is a good guy, does 
>> excellent work,
>> charges reasonable prices, etc.
>>
>> BUT, there has to be some accountability in keeping communication 
>> open with
>> customers and delivering on promises at some point. I see tons of people
>> stepping up to defend Stephen, but see little to no sympathy for the 
>> guy who
>> is still without his deck after all the time that has passed and 
>> promises
>> made to him by Stephen. Most of the posts speak of past experiences with
>> Stephen, has anyone had any RECENT good experiences with Stephen?
>>
>> The fact that Stephen has offered exemplery service in the past 
>> doesn't mean
>> that something hasn't changed for the worse. If he's in ill health, 
>> or has
>> other influences that disrupt his work, he should either turn down 
>> work that
>> he can't get to or set expectations appropriately. If he's honest up 
>> front
>> that it very likely will be a year or more before he gets to an item, 
>> the
>> customer can either choose to wait (and have no good reason to 
>> complain) or
>> go to another repair center.
>>
>> If he has some sort of health (or other personal) problem that has 
>> suddenly
>> made him incapable of doing his job or even communicating with 
>> people, there
>> certainly should be some room for understanding, but he does 
>> eventually owe
>> his customers (especially those who have paid up front) some sort of
>> reasonable explanation.
>> -- 
>> Geoffrey Reynolds
>>
>> From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>>
>>
>> > I will second that. I too have had dealing with Stephen, I bought a 
>> RX505
>> > off him. He not only sold it to me at a great price but did a voltage
>> > conversion at a low cost of around $25 - $50 (can't remember 
>> exactly). The
>> > unit did take some time to get ready and I personally think that 
>> this was
>> > due to his ill health, I spoke to him over the phone to see how things
>> were
>> > going and he told me about his condition not being too well. At the 
>> moment
>> I
>> > battling a case of the flu and I've been off for almost a week, 
>> imagine if
>> > Stephen was even more ill than I, yet he still makes an effort to keep
>> > going. Well the deck arrived and it was simply perfection, I could not
>> fault
>> > (nor was expecting a fault) the unit and to this day it's still the 
>> best
>> one
>> > in my small fleet of Naks.
>> >
>> > I support Stephen and hope that he gets in touch with us soon.
>> >
>> > Tom Siomopoulos.
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Dec 18 12:17:50 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:17:50 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
In-Reply-To: <41C3CAED.7090202@snet.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c4e4f3$360faf80$73aa4e51@oemcomputer>

Well, I do hope Stephen does come back to the List because I miss his
erudite and entertaining blunt advice, observations and comments.

Whilst not wishing my old mate ill, I also hope his absence and other issues
are due to rather more than merely being overwhelmed by his work load, as
Richard has reported, 'cos biting off more than you can chew is very bad for
business as resultant delays ruin reputations.    As a  mate of mine, a
research consultant, always says, "You're only as good as the last job you
did ..."

I'm also getting withdrawal symptoms 'cos we've not heard much from another
stalwart, Ron.  Are you out there, buddy?  (You've surely not defected to
the DAT club?!!)

Here's wishing you ALL a prosperous 2005 and especially that Alan should get
his lovely deck back in time for the coming New Year, if not for Christmas
2004.

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Edward Noyes
> Sent: 18 December 2004 06:15
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
>
>
> I think Stephen would probably rise to the occasion except that he has
> not been on this list for probably several years now. Until his friend
> made mention of the situation, it is safe to assume that he had no idea
> of all this discussion about him. Ironically, the reason he opted out
> from the list was because keeping up with posts and offering his great
> advice was taking so much time away from work that he was falling
> increasingly behind on getting stuff done.
>
> Ed
>



From jazzao at primus.com.au  Sat Dec 18 12:30:21 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:30:21 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Thank You Richard for your Help
Message-ID: <41C414CD.2000504@primus.com.au>

Richard,

Thank you for your help.  It's reassuring to know that Stephen Sank is 
still contactable and decreased my fears of losing my deck.

I have no problems if Stephen is very busy and gives me a realistic time 
for delivery, all I really want was for him to answer my emails and tell 
me exactly what was going on.

I have since sent him an email and hoping he will respond, and have also 
left a message on his voicemail since it is back up again.

Thank you again for your assistance and looking forward to hearing from 
Stephen to sort out this matter.

Regards
Alan



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 18 13:27:30 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:27:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] list of decks with continuous auto playback
	azimuthadjust?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0412171404410.27646@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F14F0145EECC58F6D9A18A6ABA00@phx.gbl>

ONLY the 1200 series a Car Radio/Tape when was produced...was very 
expensive! NO other brand copied such Dragon feature!!

Cheers,

ALEX!



>From: Steven Sullivan <ssully at panix.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] list of decks with continuous auto playback 
>azimuthadjust?
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:06:50 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>Couldn't find FAQs or Web info that answerd this, so I
>  hope you'll indulge me --
>
>Besides the Dragon, what Nak decks (or other brand decks)
>perform continuous automatic playback azimuth adjustment?
>
>
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat Dec 18 14:22:42 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:22:42 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] list of decks with continuous auto playback
	azimuthadjust?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.61.0412171404410.27646@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIENCCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

it i smy undersatanding that the only other deck providing a similar
function, called MAAC, was made by Marantz Sd-930
http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sd-930.html

Stan

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Behalf Of Steven Sullivan
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:07 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] list of decks with continuous auto playback
azimuthadjust?



Couldn't find FAQs or Web info that answerd this, so I
  hope you'll indulge me --

Besides the Dragon, what Nak decks (or other brand decks)
perform continuous automatic playback azimuth adjustment?



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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 18 15:31:34 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:31:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
Message-ID: <BAY103-F105211FCF26C14F2B63E3E9EA00@phx.gbl>

Now that he has been made aware of the "controversy" would a betting man 
place hard cash on Sank coming forward to explain all, or are we all to be 
kept in the dark to surmise what will transpire?



>From: Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
>Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:15:09 -0500
>
>I think Stephen would probably rise to the occasion except that he has not 
>been on this list for probably several years now. Until his friend made 
>mention of the situation, it is safe to assume that he had no idea of all 
>this discussion about him. Ironically, the reason he opted out from the 
>list was because keeping up with posts and offering his great advice was 
>taking so much time away from work that he was falling increasingly behind 
>on getting stuff done.
>
>Ed
>
>neil lipes wrote:
>
>>The point exactly.........nothing else need be said........It's great that 
>>things were rosy in the past, but that warm and fuzzy feeling fades FAST 
>>when one believes he/she is getting hosed!
>>
>>I think Mr. Sank should rise to the occasion and make some kind of comment 
>>concerning this "controversy" to do nothing will only tarnish his 
>>reputation.
>>
>>N
>>
>>>From: greynolds at newsguy.com
>>>Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>>><naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
>>>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:44:37 -0500
>>>
>>>I think a lot of people are missing the point here...
>>>
>>>I don't think anyone doubts that Stephen is a good guy, does excellent 
>>>work,
>>>charges reasonable prices, etc.
>>>
>>>BUT, there has to be some accountability in keeping communication open 
>>>with
>>>customers and delivering on promises at some point. I see tons of people
>>>stepping up to defend Stephen, but see little to no sympathy for the guy 
>>>who
>>>is still without his deck after all the time that has passed and promises
>>>made to him by Stephen. Most of the posts speak of past experiences with
>>>Stephen, has anyone had any RECENT good experiences with Stephen?
>>>
>>>The fact that Stephen has offered exemplery service in the past doesn't 
>>>mean
>>>that something hasn't changed for the worse. If he's in ill health, or 
>>>has
>>>other influences that disrupt his work, he should either turn down work 
>>>that
>>>he can't get to or set expectations appropriately. If he's honest up 
>>>front
>>>that it very likely will be a year or more before he gets to an item, the
>>>customer can either choose to wait (and have no good reason to complain) 
>>>or
>>>go to another repair center.
>>>
>>>If he has some sort of health (or other personal) problem that has 
>>>suddenly
>>>made him incapable of doing his job or even communicating with people, 
>>>there
>>>certainly should be some room for understanding, but he does eventually 
>>>owe
>>>his customers (especially those who have paid up front) some sort of
>>>reasonable explanation.
>>>--
>>>Geoffrey Reynolds
>>>
>>>From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>>>
>>>
>>> > I will second that. I too have had dealing with Stephen, I bought a 
>>>RX505
>>> > off him. He not only sold it to me at a great price but did a voltage
>>> > conversion at a low cost of around $25 - $50 (can't remember exactly). 
>>>The
>>> > unit did take some time to get ready and I personally think that this 
>>>was
>>> > due to his ill health, I spoke to him over the phone to see how things
>>>were
>>> > going and he told me about his condition not being too well. At the 
>>>moment
>>>I
>>> > battling a case of the flu and I've been off for almost a week, 
>>>imagine if
>>> > Stephen was even more ill than I, yet he still makes an effort to keep
>>> > going. Well the deck arrived and it was simply perfection, I could not
>>>fault
>>> > (nor was expecting a fault) the unit and to this day it's still the 
>>>best
>>>one
>>> > in my small fleet of Naks.
>>> >
>>> > I support Stephen and hope that he gets in touch with us soon.
>>> >
>>> > Tom Siomopoulos.
>>>
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From greynolds at newsguy.com  Sat Dec 18 16:06:53 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:06:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stephen Sank - a quick story
References: <BAY103-F1380F94C74FF4189CC9C719EAF0@phx.gbl>
	<41C3CAED.7090202@snet.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c4e513$35e22950$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k>

From: "Edward Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>

> I think Stephen would probably rise to the occasion except that he has
> not been on this list for probably several years now. Until his friend
> made mention of the situation, it is safe to assume that he had no idea
> of all this discussion about him. Ironically, the reason he opted out
> from the list was because keeping up with posts and offering his great
> advice was taking so much time away from work that he was falling
> increasingly behind on getting stuff done.

I've been on this list for a little over a year and have seen a few posts
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From martinferreira at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 19 02:32:29 2004
From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:32:29 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak control motor
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Sun Dec 19 05:04:29 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:04:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naka-Parts Needed!
Message-ID: <41C4FDCD.2040600@woods-and-waters.com>

Greetings Fellow Naka-denizens,

Finally got around to working on my 600-II and could not get the eject 
to work.

On the Part # CA03257A Eject Bar Assembly (sounds like a vocal group at 
the local pub) is a small lever that moves out of the way once 
"STOP/EJECT" is pushed. Thus, the next time "STOP/EJECT" is pushed the 
deck ejects the tape. Well, this small lever never moves back into 
position to engage the eject mechanism.

SO, all I can think to do is replace:

Part # CA03257A Eject Bar Assembly
Part # CA03896B Lock Plate

Any ideas on solving the eject problem? Any sources of parts who will 
sell to a dedicate Nak owner? Any song requests for The Eject Bar 
Assembly? ("Danny Boy?")

Thanks!

-- 
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Woods & Waters/KVG Labs
16371 Lake Point Drive, Bonner Springs, KS 66012
USA
816-918-5058 cellphone
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Sun Dec 19 07:07:34 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:07:34 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck 
Message-ID: <55.68d7d869.2ef674a6@aol.com>

Hi Guys!    Hope every one is doing fine!   Does any one has a service manual 
for the Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck in PDF format and if it can be sent in 
email , this will be much appreciated.

 Iam having problem with this machine in that it wont rewind , play or fast 
forward. It powers up fine , the dual capstan shafts  rotate and the vu meters 
move for a very breif period when play button is pressed but the reel  hubs  
dont move,also the reel hub motor does not turn when fast/rewind or play 
buttons are engaged.

 Does any kind soul have  any ideas as to what might be causing the problem?! 
 again this wil be much appreciated by me! Thanks!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Sun Dec 19 09:33:12 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:33:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Tales of a dusty Nakamichi...
Message-ID: <41C53CC8.4030901@woods-and-waters.com>

Ode to a Nakamichi Studio ...

... Back in the Good Old Days of the 1970s, the heady days of Nakamichi 
cassette decks, Disco and Mutually Assured Destruction (yikes! these are 
my good old days?), I was learning recording as an eager young 
apprentice, sitting at the feet of The Great Master (Engineer) and 
absorbing the wisdom of this stereo sage. At this time, one of the 
“movements” was toward “minimalism,” which meant: you have two ears, not 
24, so use only two microphones recorded onto two tracks. Multitrack is 
evil. (Just ignore the studio's 24-track Studer A80) Real stereo, which 
is holy, uses only two mics. Proof? Compare Nautilus or Crystal Clear’s 
minimalist recordings with the “nasty sound” from Big Labels. (Of course 
this misses the point that a full orchestra performing Mozart is more 
beautiful than four guys who can play only three chords while screaming 
instead of singing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.)

To teach us apprentices the wisdom of minimalism, The Great Master would 
have us check out one of the studio’s many decks, the Nakamichi 550 
“Versatile Cassette System” and three Shure SM59 microphones. (Anyone 
remember those?) Thus equipped, our assignment: capture great music 
using Nakamichi’s “Three Point Microphone Technique” and bring it back 
alive!

Well, I did: one of my friends and his two older brothers had a jazz 
trio and I recorded one of their gigs. Oh man, my life changed forever! 
Here I was with this amazing cassette deck and three mics and I’m 
getting a recording that sounds as good as most commercial LPs. I knew 
this was what I was born to do.

So, early that year, I talked my parents into letting me set up a studio 
in a disused bedroom. So I made a bass trap out of “2x4” lumber and thin 
plywood and added long wooden slats, stained a dark walnut, on the side 
walls and painted the walls white. Bad idea: it made the room look like 
a jail cell. So, I replaced the slats with thick dark brown cork sheets 
covering the entire walls, then stained the woodwork and door in blonde. 
Acoustic ceiling tiles painted sky blue and three mic mounts bolted to 
the ceiling completed my spacious 11-foot by 12-foot studio. The room 
sounded great (astonishingly) and I set up “Master Control” (the 550 and 
a pair of AKG K240 headphones) in my bedroom across the hall, running 
the cables down the corners, then under the doors and along the 
baseboards. Gaffer tape is your best friend at a time like that. We were 
on a quiet side street, and other than occasional thunderstorms and 
low-flying airplanes, it was a good place to make music.

Next step: bands. I got a couple of my friends’ bands in to try things 
out. They loved being able to come in, set up and jam -- no mics in 
sight. It’s surprising how few people look up at ceilings. Word got 
around quick, and every weekend I’d do two or three bands, then take my 
master cassettes to the studio to make copies for the bands to sell at 
their gigs. Before too long I had developed a reputation for great 
sound, and in just four months I made enough money to buy my own 
Nakamichi 550 and three AKG D-190E mics. By Christmas that year I had 
made quite a bit of money. So I saved it for college, right? Wrong. I 
bought more equipment. A Nakamichi 600-II, a 610 preamp/mixer, three AKG 
D200E two-way dynamics, a dbx 224 noise reduction, dbx 117 Decilinear 
compressor/expandor, Crown D75 amp and some KEF speaker drivers to make 
my own pair of monitors.

To make a master tape, I’d switch in the dbx, set the 600-II to SX tape 
and 120 uS EQ, Dolby off, pop in either a TDK SA tape or a Maxell 
UD-XLII (whichever was on sale at the hi fi shop), ask the band to play 
the loudest part of the loudest song, dial in the level, then cue the 
band and start recording. This setup gave me more than 90 dB dynamic 
range and just about flat 20 to 20,000 Hz, with a level of clarity equal 
to any Ampex, Studer or Scully reel-to-reel. After the session, I’d dub 
the tape over to the 550, using its peak limiter and some overall gentle 
compression from the 117 to make the “copy master.” Most bands chose 
cassette copies, but some actually had LPs pressed from the “master” 
cassettes. Many never knew that their albums were recorded on a cassette 
deck. Don’t tell.

In the years since, I’ve had “bigger” and “better” studios, but 
honestly, nothing had the magic that tiny studio-in-a-bedroom had. 
Doubtless part of it was the quality of the Nakamichi recorders. But 
there was something about just being able to play music without any 
distractions caused by the recording process. It let bands just make 
music, full of emotion and spontaneity, in a way that can never be 
captured in a traditional multitrack studio.

I found a few surviving masters from that time during unpacking this 
weekend. Brought back the memories. Made me almost hate my 24-track 
digital system. I’ve spent this weekend cleaning up my 610, which I 
still have. Never should have let it go so long. Unpacked the AKG D200E 
mics. Last step: fix the Nakamichi 600-II's eject. (It just might be 
worth having ESL do a full restoration of both the 600-II and the 550.) 
You know, I’m setting up my original -  and best -- recording system 
anew, in a larger room this time. My Nakamichis will soon be making 
their old magic again.

I can’t wait.

N-Joy!

-- 
Kermit Gray
Woods & Waters/KVG Labs
16371 Lake Point Drive
Bonner Springs, KS 66012
USA
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
http://www.woods-and-waters.com




From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 19 17:02:12 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:02:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak control motor
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F24D6C9978D663FC8CDB274DEA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20041219160212.69979.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com>

Buy a CR-1 or CR-2 and rip it out of it.  You can also use the BX-1,
BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150.  All these 2-head decks use the same
control motor and should sell for next to nothing on eBay.  Maybe the
seller can remove the motor for you and save on the shipping of the
entire deck.

SJ
--- martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote:


---------------------------------

I am looking for a CR3A control motor part# CA80007A. Can anyone
provide some leads?






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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 19 14:20:03 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:20:03 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
In-Reply-To: <55.68d7d869.2ef674a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F11D86AD77D8E074058C844ABA10@phx.gbl>

Dear Ali!

Could be Rubber belts...loose or broken!!!

Take look if it's nay on your deck?

Good Luck!!!

ALEX!



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>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck Date: Sun, 19 
>Dec 2004 01:07:34 EST
>
>Hi Guys!    Hope every one is doing fine!   Does any one has a service 
>manual
>for the Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck in PDF format and if it can be sent in
>email , this will be much appreciated.
>
>  Iam having problem with this machine in that it wont rewind , play or 
>fast
>forward. It powers up fine , the dual capstan shafts  rotate and the vu 
>meters
>move for a very breif period when play button is pressed but the reel  hubs
>dont move,also the reel hub motor does not turn when fast/rewind or play
>buttons are engaged.
>
>  Does any kind soul have  any ideas as to what might be causing the 
>problem?!
>  again this wil be much appreciated by me! Thanks!
>
>With Best Regards!
>Ali
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Sun Dec 19 17:04:47 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:04:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck 
References: <55.68d7d869.2ef674a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c4e5e4$76dbff90$c801a8c0@cn593434a>

I too have a 480 with a bias oscillator problem.  If anyone has the service manual available for sharing, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks in Advance,
Dean
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:07 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Problem With Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck 


  Hi Guys!    Hope every one is doing fine!   Does any one has a service manual for the Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck in PDF format and if it can be sent in email , this will be much appreciated.

   Iam having problem with this machine in that it wont rewind , play or fast forward. It powers up fine , the dual capstan shafts  rotate and the vu meters move for a very breif period when play button is pressed but the reel  hubs  dont move,also the reel hub motor does not turn when fast/rewind or play buttons are engaged.

   Does any kind soul have  any ideas as to what might be causing the problem?!  again this wil be much appreciated by me! Thanks!

  With Best Regards!
  Ali


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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 19 20:09:09 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:09:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
Message-ID: <20041219190909.59353.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>

Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.


		
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Dec 19 22:03:54 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:03:54 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Famous sponsers for Maxell Cassettes?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7C0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Was Aretha Franklin one of their spokespeople, I remember an ad where she
was in a Caddilac (i think that was the car) advertising the Maxell tape, it
sold on e-bay many months ago.

	Tom.

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From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, 17 December 2004 1:58
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Famous sponsers for Maxell Cassettes?


I know TDK had Stevie Wonder as there spokesman for
years selling there tapes but i can't remember if
Maxell ever had a Famous person as there cassette tape
sponser does anyone know if Maxell ever did?Thanks for
all the fun...Keith. 


		
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Dec 19 22:10:02 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:10:02 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7C1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

That's a good question Keith. I have a huge lot of both TDK and Maxell tapes
and I think that the Maxells are equal in quality and in some cases better
with their older tapes from the 70's. I've done comparison tests and the old
Maxell tapes are always a little better than the TDK's. I DO not like
Maxells DAT tapes nor their mini DV tapes, the DAT's have mechanical skewing
problems and the mini DV tapes shed their particles and I'm constantly
seeing "Heads needs cleaning" on the screen of my video camera.

	Tom.

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From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 6:09
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?


Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.


		
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Dec 19 23:02:31 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:02:31 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck 
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7C2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Ali. I too own a 480 and the FF and Rew is not so great on it. The rubber
idler on it has been worn but it can still play the tape ok. Now if you have
noticed that the reel hub motor is not turning in FF or Rew then this could
be a tension problem where the spring that pulls down on the idler is not at
the right tension, but, if the motor is not turning at all (play, FF, Rew)
then you have a problem with the driver transistors controlling the motor.
These transistors pairs are labelled q405 & 406 or 407 & 408 from memory.
They are generally larger than the smaller transistors and are located
towards the rear of the unit, if either of these transistors are dead then
the reel motor will not turn at all. I had a problem with my 480 with the
cam motor not turning (my fault to begin with - fiddling too much with the
unit), it turned out that I blew these transistors and the motor was
motionless,  I replaced these transistors and up she came again. 
 
    I hope this helps you out.
    
    Tom.

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From: BOEING747600 at aol.com [mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2004 5:08
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck 


Hi Guys!    Hope every one is doing fine!   Does any one has a service
manual for the Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck in PDF format and if it can be
sent in email , this will be much appreciated.
 
 Iam having problem with this machine in that it wont rewind , play or fast
forward. It powers up fine , the dual capstan shafts  rotate and the vu
meters move for a very breif period when play button is pressed but the reel
hubs  dont move,also the reel hub motor does not turn when fast/rewind or
play buttons are engaged.
 
 Does any kind soul have  any ideas as to what might be causing the
problem?!  again this wil be much appreciated by me! Thanks!
 
With Best Regards!
Ali

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From timbarrett at cox.net  Sun Dec 19 23:44:05 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:44:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
In-Reply-To: <55.68d7d869.2ef674a6@aol.com>
References: <55.68d7d869.2ef674a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41C60435.5060006@cox.net>

I have a PDF manual for a 481, which has the identical transport as your 
480.  You are welcome to a copy if you wish.  It's 4.6 meg in size, so I 
don't know if it's emailable or not.  Would  you like me to try to send 
it to you?

Tim

BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Guys!    Hope every one is doing fine!   Does any one has a service 
> manual for the Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck in PDF format and if it can 
> be sent in email , this will be much appreciated.
>  
>  Iam having problem with this machine in that it wont rewind , play or 
> fast forward. It powers up fine , the dual capstan shafts  rotate and 
> the vu meters move for a very breif period when play button is pressed 
> but the reel  hubs  dont move,also the reel hub motor does not turn 
> when fast/rewind or play buttons are engaged.
>  
>  Does any kind soul have  any ideas as to what might be causing the 
> problem?!  again this wil be much appreciated by me! Thanks!
>  
> With Best Regards!
> Ali
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Sun Dec 19 23:45:43 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:45:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
In-Reply-To: <002e01c4e5e4$76dbff90$c801a8c0@cn593434a>
References: <55.68d7d869.2ef674a6@aol.com>
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Dean -

I have a manual for the 481 in PDF form.  The 481 is substantially like 
the 480, I don't know if they share the same bias oscillator but I'd be 
surprised if they didn't.  The file is 4.6 meg in size and may not be 
emailable, but you want me to try sending it I will.  Just give the word.

Tim

Dean Bauer wrote:

> I too have a 480 with a bias oscillator problem.  If anyone has the 
> service manual available for sharing, it would be much appreciated.
>  
> Thanks in Advance,
> Dean
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* BOEING747600 at aol.com <mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com>
>     *To:* naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:07 AM
>     *Subject:* [naktalk] Problem With Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
>
>     Hi Guys!    Hope every one is doing fine!   Does any one has a
>     service manual for the Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck in PDF format
>     and if it can be sent in email , this will be much appreciated.
>      
>      Iam having problem with this machine in that it wont rewind ,
>     play or fast forward. It powers up fine , the dual capstan shafts
>      rotate and the vu meters move for a very breif period when play
>     button is pressed but the reel  hubs  dont move,also the reel hub
>     motor does not turn when fast/rewind or play buttons are engaged.
>      
>      Does any kind soul have  any ideas as to what might be causing
>     the problem?!  again this wil be much appreciated by me! Thanks!
>      
>     With Best Regards!
>     Ali
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Dec 19 22:17:15 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:17:15 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considered superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <20041219190909.59353.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4e610$1cebd7e0$9aa94e51@oemcomputer>

Marketing hype?  Possibly.  Journalist endorsement?  Possibly.  Is it true?
No.  Most certainly not.  I have a large collection of TDK simply because my
pre-Nak decks sounded better with TDK than with Maxell  However, I wish I
had realised my error much earlier, before buying in a large stock of poorly
made European SA, SA-X when I could have done better buying up all the BASF
Super Chrome in my local Aldi store at a quarter of the price!!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith Hugo
> Sent: 19 December 2004 19:09
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
>
>
> Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
> better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
> and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
> stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
> far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
> to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
> with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
> the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
> folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
>
>
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sun Dec 19 22:21:40 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:21:40 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considered superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <20041219190909.59353.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMENGCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

As far as I can remember from comments on this forum, Maxell could have had
the edge rather than TDK.

In my opinion, both used to produce great tapes, and trying to say which one
is better maybe like splitting hairs.

Recently, TDK has had some quality problems, especially the tapes from
Luxembourg. I personally preferred TDK SA, however, most of the people I
spoke to would consider XL-II as the type II standard. Recent XL-IIS tapes,
and MX-S seemed to had superior cases to SA-X's ...

Just my $0.02 worth ...

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Keith Hugo
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:09 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?


Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.



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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 00:38:51 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:38:51 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
Message-ID: <25.5514e320.2ef76b0b@aol.com>

Dear Tim,     Yes please!! the service manual !!! it will be greatly 
appreciated, thanks so much!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 00:42:30 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:42:30 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
Message-ID: <1ac.2deffea5.2ef76be6@aol.com>

Hi Alex,  Thanks for the email.  The belts are fine!  the problem seems to be 
located in other areas. 


With Best Regards!
Ali
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From ktl at bornet.net  Mon Dec 20 01:50:52 2004
From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:50:52 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
In-Reply-To: <41C60497.1090501@cox.net>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAluSn7JHVyUuKseEZdXamkMKAAAAQAAAApd9WLhF3SEq6VqtuXaB1agEAAAAA@bornet.net>

I am Starting a web-site dedicated to firstly our NAK's, but also anything
else.
This site is pure technical, with service-manuals etc only, no forums, no
pop-ups nothing else actually, no commercial either. I do have unlimited
space, just a matter how large HD's I fit.

I'm setting up a FTP-server for uploads as well, now this will take some
time to sort out, but consider it as a christmas present.

www.naks.mine.nu
http://naks.mine.nu

In the mean time feel free to upload whatever you have to me on my
mail-account.
I can safely handle up to 5 meg attachements, one each 5 minutes or so.

With best regards

Tomas Larsson
Sweden

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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 00:53:13 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:53:13 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck 
Message-ID: <84.3b356f2f.2ef76e69@aol.com>

Dear  Tom,      Thanks for the kind advice will check out the transistors 
with my multimeter set on diode setting to see if one of them showing abnormal 
reading.  A service manual would be much appreciated!! to take correct voltage 
readings, I think Tim might be able to send me one in email  in PDF form , hope 
he is sucessful!  We have  a GREAT!! Community here!  Keep Up The Good Work 
Guys!:)

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From portnatal at ameritech.net  Mon Dec 20 01:59:33 2004
From: portnatal at ameritech.net (Howard Barker)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:59:33 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Tales of a dusty Nakamichi...
In-Reply-To: <200412192205.iBJM5OPW028218@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <200412200059.iBK0xXPV028662@zebra.naks.com>


Kermit, you are soooooo passionate about these Naks......I really appreciate
you letting us into your 'recording soul'!

Howie.

PS: Got the B2 up & running today!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------
Ode to a Nakamichi Studio ...

... Back in the Good Old Days of the 1970s, the heady days of Nakamichi 
cassette decks, Disco and Mutually Assured Destruction (yikes! these are 
my good old days?), I was learning recording as an eager young 
apprentice, sitting at the feet of The Great Master (Engineer) and 
absorbing the wisdom of this stereo sage. At this time, one of the 
movements was toward minimalism, which meant: you have two ears, not 
24, so use only two microphones recorded onto two tracks. Multitrack is 
evil. (Just ignore the studio's 24-track Studer A80) Real stereo, which 
is holy, uses only two mics. Proof? Compare Nautilus or Crystal Clears 
minimalist recordings with the nasty sound from Big Labels. (Of course 
this misses the point that a full orchestra performing Mozart is more 
beautiful than four guys who can play only three chords while screaming 
instead of singing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.)

<snip>

I found a few surviving masters from that time during unpacking this 
weekend. Brought back the memories. Made me almost hate my 24-track 
digital system. Ive spent this weekend cleaning up my 610, which I 
still have. Never should have let it go so long. Unpacked the AKG D200E 
mics. Last step: fix the Nakamichi 600-II's eject. (It just might be 
worth having ESL do a full restoration of both the 600-II and the 550.) 
You know, Im setting up my original -  and best -- recording system 
anew, in a larger room this time. My Nakamichis will soon be making 
their old magic again.

I cant wait.

N-Joy!

-- 
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Woods & Waters/KVG Labs
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 20 03:31:08 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:31:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
References: <55.68d7d869.2ef674a6@aol.com><002e01c4e5e4$76dbff90$c801a8c0@cn593434a>
	<41C60497.1090501@cox.net>
Message-ID: <004201c4e63b$f6c28a60$c801a8c0@cn593434a>

Tim,

That would be terrific.  Please try to send it.

Thanks,
Dean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Barrett" <timbarrett at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck


> Dean -
>
> I have a manual for the 481 in PDF form.  The 481 is substantially like
> the 480, I don't know if they share the same bias oscillator but I'd be
> surprised if they didn't.  The file is 4.6 meg in size and may not be
> emailable, but you want me to try sending it I will.  Just give the word.
>
> Tim
>
> Dean Bauer wrote:
>
> > I too have a 480 with a bias oscillator problem.  If anyone has the
> > service manual available for sharing, it would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks in Advance,
> > Dean
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* BOEING747600 at aol.com <mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com>
> >     *To:* naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
> >     *Sent:* Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:07 AM
> >     *Subject:* [naktalk] Problem With Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
> >
> >     Hi Guys!    Hope every one is doing fine!   Does any one has a
> >     service manual for the Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck in PDF format
> >     and if it can be sent in email , this will be much appreciated.
> >
> >      Iam having problem with this machine in that it wont rewind ,
> >     play or fast forward. It powers up fine , the dual capstan shafts
> >      rotate and the vu meters move for a very breif period when play
> >     button is pressed but the reel  hubs  dont move,also the reel hub
> >     motor does not turn when fast/rewind or play buttons are engaged.
> >
> >      Does any kind soul have  any ideas as to what might be causing
> >     the problem?!  again this wil be much appreciated by me! Thanks!
> >
> >     With Best Regards!
> >     Ali
> >
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From ti at amb.org  Mon Dec 20 09:57:04 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 00:57:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Tales of a dusty Nakamichi...
In-Reply-To: <41C53CC8.4030901@woods-and-waters.com> from "Kermit V. Gray" at
	Dec 19, 2004 03:33:12 AM
Message-ID: <20041220085704.724FD24620@smtp.amb.org>

Kermit,

> ...
> Ode to a Nakamichi Studio ...
> ...

Thanks for a great story.  I really enjoyed reading it.

-Ti
-- 
Ti Kan
http://www.amb.org/ti
Vorsprung durch Technik



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 20 10:05:30 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:05:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
In-Reply-To: <1ac.2deffea5.2ef76be6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F1114F0E8AD3F08775DDA08ABA20@phx.gbl>


Hi Ali!

Yes I already read your problemas, and seems me that soon you will enjoy 
back your machine!

I'm very glad!!!

Be well!

ALEX!



>From: BOEING747600 at aol.com
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:42:30 EST
>
>Hi Alex,  Thanks for the email.  The belts are fine!  the problem seems to 
>be
>located in other areas.
>
>
>With Best Regards!
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 20 10:07:45 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:07:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considered superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMENGCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F333166ABB73CD5C7A6BAE1ABA20@phx.gbl>

I completly agree with Stan...AS I also love ONLY type 2 cassettes and SA 
brought from US!

Happy Listening!

ALEX!



>From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Why is TDK considered superior to Maxell?
>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:21:40 -0600
>
>As far as I can remember from comments on this forum, Maxell could have had
>the edge rather than TDK.
>
>In my opinion, both used to produce great tapes, and trying to say which 
>one
>is better maybe like splitting hairs.
>
>Recently, TDK has had some quality problems, especially the tapes from
>Luxembourg. I personally preferred TDK SA, however, most of the people I
>spoke to would consider XL-II as the type II standard. Recent XL-IIS tapes,
>and MX-S seemed to had superior cases to SA-X's ...
>
>Just my $0.02 worth ...
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of Keith Hugo
>Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:09 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
>
>
>Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
>better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
>and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
>stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
>far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
>to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
>with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
>the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
>folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 20 10:16:57 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:16:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considered superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4e610$1cebd7e0$9aa94e51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F22648BB361FF5D053C227BABA20@phx.gbl>


Lovely Graham!

TRY the Fuji Z Mk-  2 cassette, I can obtain those here at $:10.00 a carton 
of 10 pieces! made completly in Japan!!!

Happy New 2005 Year!

ALEX!



>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Why is TDK considered superior to Maxell?
>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:17:15 -0000
>
>Marketing hype?  Possibly.  Journalist endorsement?  Possibly.  Is it true?
>No.  Most certainly not.  I have a large collection of TDK simply because 
>my
>pre-Nak decks sounded better with TDK than with Maxell  However, I wish I
>had realised my error much earlier, before buying in a large stock of 
>poorly
>made European SA, SA-X when I could have done better buying up all the BASF
>Super Chrome in my local Aldi store at a quarter of the price!!
>
>Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith Hugo
> > Sent: 19 December 2004 19:09
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
> >
> >
> > Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
> > better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
> > and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
> > stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
> > far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
> > to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
> > with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
> > the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
> > folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
> >
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From bhonhoff at dds.nl  Mon Dec 20 10:22:49 2004
From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:22:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <20041219190909.59353.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041219190909.59353.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1103534569.41c699e9388af@webmail.dds.nl>

Hi,

[about the old days = 23 years ago]
Here in Holland, Europe we had in the past (1978-1982) three main brands
(ignoring Agfa, Philips, Tandberg (OEM of BASF) and Sony) BASF, Maxell and TDK.
The latter two were sold only in selected shops)

As I can recall in my only Nak550 days, TDK-SA (1st & 2nd Generation) was
rubbish (no headroom, inferior Signal-Noise, Frequency-range) and I stayed away
from them after I brought a few tapes as test.
(And before you ask, Yes, my really old Nak550 was measured in on TDK-ED and
TDK-SA. I later had it modyfied to use BASF-ChromDioxid-tapes (The erasure-
level was to low and didn't erase Cr2O tapes)

Maxell was great. Maxell UD was good (long before it became EntryLevel)
The UDXL was superior compared to BASF. And the S-versions I consider as the
best I & II tapes ever made.
BTW The best cassette is to my opinion the SONY METAL in Ceramic casing

Currently (the last 10 years) good Maxell tapes are hardly to get. I do not
know if they still make them at all. However TDK had been improving their TDK-
SA. As I mentioned the 2nd generation ("New Formula") was the last bad one.
And currently a fresh recording on one of the last TDK-tapes (C-100) on the
still owned Nak550 sounds as good as many other Naks I owe.

Now it is difficult to get new HighQuality Brand tapes at all at competing
prices, sadly enough. Only a few stores stock them for outragious prices.

regards,

bart

Quoting Keith Hugo <valman13440 at yahoo.com>:

> Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
> better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
> and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
> stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
> far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
> to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
> with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
> the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
> folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
>



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Dec 20 12:19:34 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:19:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
Message-ID: <s1c6d179.026@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Keith,

You've had valid responses already on this so I won't repeat them
unnecessarily.  I imagine the majority of people who have a knee-jerk
response on this type of question (basic a brand loyalty one) do not
have the in-depth familiarity and overall knowlege that a group such as
this has.  Mainly, they would be the layman type reponses who are easy
victim to advertising and who do not have serious recorders in any
case.

Both TDK and Maxell are/were major players in the market and both had
products of excellent quality.  However, this also applies to Sony, and
BASF and a lesser extent, Fuji .  And there are other companies which
had shorter histories and narrower ranges that were pretty good too.

In order to have favourites, one would have to get down to specifics
and (to  a certain extent) the year of manaufacture.

For instance, I would prefer the XLII to the SA and the XLII-S to the
SA-X.  However, from the earlier years, I would probably plumb for a TDK
D over a Maxell LN in 1984.  I would also choose a TDK D today over a
Maxell UR soundwise, although the UR is more durable.  The current
Maxell UD1s are decidedly more rewarding than the present TDK AD.  The
TDK SA assembled in Thailand  and presently available are pretty nice
and  have better shells than their market competitor Sony UX or their
own cousins, the European SAs from Luxembourg.  The "Fire series" XLIIs
from Telford in the UK are superb.  But, just to put a cat amongst the
pigeons, the SKC "CD Superchrome" from Korea is both cheaper and better
than any SA or UX, but not quite as solid as the XLII from any address. 
By the way, the Italian UXs from three years ago were so good, they
sounded more like UX-S in UX clothing!!

As you see, it's not just a matter of which manufacturer is better -
that is impossible to answer.  For instance, a little known That's MG-X
will cream a TDK SA simply becasue they are in different
categories.............to say that not all cassettes are created equal
is just about the understatement of the century.

An just a final note on the two brands you mention - it was almost a
given in the tape trading world for 20 years, that a Maxell XLII was
prefered tender over a TDK SA.  I have nothing against SA, except that
it's satuaration must be respected in the studio or you are in for some
unpleasant surprises.  MOL at 10kHz of the XLII is higher and is thus
more tolerant of the recordist (particulary the non-Dolby recordist). I
quite like the Super-Avylin coating because it behaves somewhat
similarly to the natural chromes one used to get from BASF and Scotch in
the 1980s.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 12/19/04 09:09PM >>>
Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.


		
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From miroslavt at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 20 11:55:16 2004
From: miroslavt at hotmail.com (Miroslav Tkachenko)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:55:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considered superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F22648BB361FF5D053C227BABA20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY1-F195514547AFBBB45ED0E68AAA20@phx.gbl>

Dear Alex,
I live in Israel ( Netania) and owner of DR-1 . Please advise were I can buy 
those Fuji cassettes (have you seen Fuji metal for sale as well?). Many 
thanks in advance. My e-mail address below.




Best regards,
Miroslav Tkachenko
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2nd e-mail -miroslavt at bezeqint.net - for attachments more then 1 MB
http://www.welcome.to/Opiumusic
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tel. 972-50-5985666(mobile with answering machine)




>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Why is TDK considered superior to Maxell?
>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:16:57 +0200
>
>
>Lovely Graham!
>
>TRY the Fuji Z Mk-  2 cassette, I can obtain those here at $:10.00 a carton 
>of 10 pieces! made completly in Japan!!!
>
>Happy New 2005 Year!
>
>ALEX!
>
>
>
>>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Why is TDK considered superior to Maxell?
>>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:17:15 -0000
>>
>>Marketing hype?  Possibly.  Journalist endorsement?  Possibly.  Is it 
>>true?
>>No.  Most certainly not.  I have a large collection of TDK simply because 
>>my
>>pre-Nak decks sounded better with TDK than with Maxell  However, I wish I
>>had realised my error much earlier, before buying in a large stock of 
>>poorly
>>made European SA, SA-X when I could have done better buying up all the 
>>BASF
>>Super Chrome in my local Aldi store at a quarter of the price!!
>>
>>Gra'
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> > Behalf Of Keith Hugo
>> > Sent: 19 December 2004 19:09
>> > To: naktalk at naks.com
>> > Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
>> >
>> >
>> > Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
>> > better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
>> > and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
>> > stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
>> > far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
>> > to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
>> > with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
>> > the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
>> > folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
>> >
>> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 20 12:25:18 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:25:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <1103534569.41c699e9388af@webmail.dds.nl>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F120DCC6FBFC8AF65E49F83ABA20@phx.gbl>

Dear Bart!

Try the new Fuji Z Mk-2 formula cassette, here in Israel I can obtain then 
for $:1.00 each 90 minutes ALL made in Japan!

If you want I can buy for you at this price and ship to your home in 
Holland!

Of course really I don't know exactly the price for the shipment... only if 
you want it?

Keep going well!

ALEX!



>From: bart honhoff <bhonhoff at dds.nl>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:22:49 +0100
>
>Hi,
>
>[about the old days = 23 years ago]
>Here in Holland, Europe we had in the past (1978-1982) three main brands
>(ignoring Agfa, Philips, Tandberg (OEM of BASF) and Sony) BASF, Maxell and 
>TDK.
>The latter two were sold only in selected shops)
>
>As I can recall in my only Nak550 days, TDK-SA (1st & 2nd Generation) was
>rubbish (no headroom, inferior Signal-Noise, Frequency-range) and I stayed 
>away
>from them after I brought a few tapes as test.
>(And before you ask, Yes, my really old Nak550 was measured in on TDK-ED 
>and
>TDK-SA. I later had it modyfied to use BASF-ChromDioxid-tapes (The erasure-
>level was to low and didn't erase Cr2O tapes)
>
>Maxell was great. Maxell UD was good (long before it became EntryLevel)
>The UDXL was superior compared to BASF. And the S-versions I consider as 
>the
>best I & II tapes ever made.
>BTW The best cassette is to my opinion the SONY METAL in Ceramic casing
>
>Currently (the last 10 years) good Maxell tapes are hardly to get. I do not
>know if they still make them at all. However TDK had been improving their 
>TDK-
>SA. As I mentioned the 2nd generation ("New Formula") was the last bad one.
>And currently a fresh recording on one of the last TDK-tapes (C-100) on the
>still owned Nak550 sounds as good as many other Naks I owe.
>
>Now it is difficult to get new HighQuality Brand tapes at all at competing
>prices, sadly enough. Only a few stores stock them for outragious prices.
>
>regards,
>
>bart
>
>Quoting Keith Hugo <valman13440 at yahoo.com>:
>
> > Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
> > better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
> > and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
> > stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
> > far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
> > to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
> > with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
> > the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
> > folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
> >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Dec 20 13:15:37 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:15:37 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with CR1E
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7C2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000901c4e68d$9cf510a0$2a904c51@oemcomputer>

A friend of mine has a Nak CR1E.  It works fine but, he says "the bar graph
has gone of on the RH channel."   He's fairly handy - builds/renovates tube
amps.  Any advice?  I was thinking buy another one for cannibalising.

Gra'
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Dec 20 19:23:59 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:23:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
References: <s1c6d179.026@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <008b01c4e6c1$13467e00$59773242@CopyTech>

Nicely put, Marc. Well guys, what  would you think if I tell you that the 
best "selling" cassette tape in the world was not TDK, neither Maxell ? The 
tape duplicators used were neither of these. The best one was BASF. Before 
that it was AGFA and when the prices went up, Sunkyong from Korea was 
widely used.

I did load TDK and Maxell XL-ii but it was much more expensive than the 
other 2's with no apparent advantage. Even more; they were more abrassive to 
the heads and this was no good for a duplication's slave head that were 
recording thousands of meters of tape per hour for an 8-16 hours a day. If 
you take in consideration that these 14,000' pancakes were recorded at 
mostly 80:1 speed, those JRF Magnetics heads make look the Revoxe's and 
Nak's like Mickey Mouse.

The best selling shells were from: Michelex, Lenco, Olamon and Shape. In the 
last commercial years of the cassette, shells from Mexico (Auriga) and the 
Middle East were ruling.

Just a little bit of history ...

My domestic preferred versions were Maxell & TDK. My bias was inclined to 
Maxell but I could happily record on a TDK.

Carlos




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?


> Hi Keith,
>
> You've had valid responses already on this so I won't repeat them
> unnecessarily.  I imagine the majority of people who have a knee-jerk
> response on this type of question (basic a brand loyalty one) do not
> have the in-depth familiarity and overall knowlege that a group such as
> this has.  Mainly, they would be the layman type reponses who are easy
> victim to advertising and who do not have serious recorders in any
> case.
>
> Both TDK and Maxell are/were major players in the market and both had
> products of excellent quality.  However, this also applies to Sony, and
> BASF and a lesser extent, Fuji .  And there are other companies which
> had shorter histories and narrower ranges that were pretty good too.
>
> In order to have favourites, one would have to get down to specifics
> and (to  a certain extent) the year of manaufacture.
>
> For instance, I would prefer the XLII to the SA and the XLII-S to the
> SA-X.  However, from the earlier years, I would probably plumb for a TDK
> D over a Maxell LN in 1984.  I would also choose a TDK D today over a
> Maxell UR soundwise, although the UR is more durable.  The current
> Maxell UD1s are decidedly more rewarding than the present TDK AD.  The
> TDK SA assembled in Thailand  and presently available are pretty nice
> and  have better shells than their market competitor Sony UX or their
> own cousins, the European SAs from Luxembourg.  The "Fire series" XLIIs
> from Telford in the UK are superb.  But, just to put a cat amongst the
> pigeons, the SKC "CD Superchrome" from Korea is both cheaper and better
> than any SA or UX, but not quite as solid as the XLII from any address.
> By the way, the Italian UXs from three years ago were so good, they
> sounded more like UX-S in UX clothing!!
>
> As you see, it's not just a matter of which manufacturer is better -
> that is impossible to answer.  For instance, a little known That's MG-X
> will cream a TDK SA simply becasue they are in different
> categories.............to say that not all cassettes are created equal
> is just about the understatement of the century.
>
> An just a final note on the two brands you mention - it was almost a
> given in the tape trading world for 20 years, that a Maxell XLII was
> prefered tender over a TDK SA.  I have nothing against SA, except that
> it's satuaration must be respected in the studio or you are in for some
> unpleasant surprises.  MOL at 10kHz of the XLII is higher and is thus
> more tolerant of the recordist (particulary the non-Dolby recordist). I
> quite like the Super-Avylin coating because it behaves somewhat
> similarly to the natural chromes one used to get from BASF and Scotch in
> the 1980s.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 12/19/04 09:09PM >>>
> Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
> better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
> and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
> stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
> far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
> to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
> with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
> the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
> folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
>
>
>
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From msyoder at border.net  Mon Dec 20 13:48:32 2004
From: msyoder at border.net (Yoder Michael)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:48:32 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <200412192205.iBJM5OPW028218@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <745F02E9-5285-11D9-A18C-000A95EBBF0E@border.net>

I have found that recent Maxell XL series tapes create the need for 
frequent cleaning of heads.  I nearly always use TDK SA, SA-X, and 
SM-X, and I don't have that problem.

Michael Yoder



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Mon Dec 20 14:55:39 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 8:55:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Laseramorphous
Message-ID: <20041220135536.JXSB22789.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Does anyone know what 'laseramorphous' mean when refered to cassette deck heads?

Roland



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Dec 20 15:13:00 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:13:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041220090932.01c15ec0@psulias.psu.edu>

I prefer Maxell.  Firstly, they've seemed to last longer than my TDKs have, 
fewer dropouts.  I just like their sound better for some reason.  In tape 
trading circles, Maxell XLII seemed to be the standard, although TDK SA 
were acceptable.

Are XLIIs still in production?  Our local Wal-Mart (which I loathe to 
enter, but had no choice this weekend) has a bunch of them.  Was wondering 
if I should scarf them up, or if they will be around for a while.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 6:09
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
>
>
>Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
>better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
>and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
>stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
>far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
>to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
>with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
>the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
>folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
>
>
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Dec 20 15:15:07 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:15:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <1103534569.41c699e9388af@webmail.dds.nl>
References: <20041219190909.59353.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1103534569.41c699e9388af@webmail.dds.nl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041220091352.01b6b1a0@psulias.psu.edu>

XLIIS were the best tapes under the $5-$7 a piece price.  Better then both 
TDK and Maxells entry level metals if you ask me.


>Maxell was great. Maxell UD was good (long before it became EntryLevel)
>The UDXL was superior compared to BASF. And the S-versions I consider as the
>best I & II tapes ever made.
>BTW The best cassette is to my opinion the SONY METAL in Ceramic casing
>
>Currently (the last 10 years) good Maxell tapes are hardly to get. I do not
>know if they still make them at all. However TDK had been improving their TDK-
>SA. As I mentioned the 2nd generation ("New Formula") was the last bad one.
>And currently a fresh recording on one of the last TDK-tapes (C-100) on the
>still owned Nak550 sounds as good as many other Naks I owe.
>
>Now it is difficult to get new HighQuality Brand tapes at all at competing
>prices, sadly enough. Only a few stores stock them for outragious prices.
>
>regards,
>
>bart



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Dec 20 17:25:55 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:25:55 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041220090932.01c15ec0@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <000a01c4e6b0$947bf240$a9d84c51@oemcomputer>

If WalMart are selling 'em, they'll be dirt cheap.  Grab the lot, mate!!  I
would!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> Sent: 20 December 2004 14:13
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
>
>
> I prefer Maxell.  Firstly, they've seemed to last longer than my
> TDKs have,
> fewer dropouts.  I just like their sound better for some reason.  In tape
> trading circles, Maxell XLII seemed to be the standard, although TDK SA
> were acceptable.
>
> Are XLIIs still in production?  Our local Wal-Mart (which I loathe to
> enter, but had no choice this weekend) has a bunch of them.  Was
> wondering
> if I should scarf them up, or if they will be around for a while.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
> >Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 6:09
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
> >
> >
> >Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
> >better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
> >and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
> >stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
> >far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
> >to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
> >with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
> >the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
> >folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
> >
> >
>



From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 20 17:34:40 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:34:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAluSn7JHVyUuKseEZdXamkMKAAAAQAAAApd9WLhF3SEq6VqtuXaB1agEAAAAA@bornet.net>
Message-ID: <20041220163440.78920.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Tom, and the rest, 

       Are non Nak, user and service manuals welcome?

Bala
--- Tomas Larsson <ktl at bornet.net> wrote:

> I am Starting a web-site dedicated to firstly our
> NAK's, but also anything
> else.
> This site is pure technical, with service-manuals
> etc only, no forums, no
> pop-ups nothing else actually, no commercial either.
> I do have unlimited
> space, just a matter how large HD's I fit.
> 
> I'm setting up a FTP-server for uploads as well, now
> this will take some
> time to sort out, but consider it as a christmas
> present.
> 
> www.naks.mine.nu
> http://naks.mine.nu
> 
> In the mean time feel free to upload whatever you
> have to me on my
> mail-account.
> I can safely handle up to 5 meg attachements, one
> each 5 minutes or so.
> 
> With best regards
> 
> Tomas Larsson
> Sweden
> 
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> 
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Dec 20 20:39:56 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:39:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4e6b0$947bf240$a9d84c51@oemcomputer>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041220090932.01c15ec0@psulias.psu.edu>
	<000a01c4e6b0$947bf240$a9d84c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041220143927.01b08db0@psulias.psu.edu>

I think they are $5.49 for a 5 pack, which is pretty darn cheap come to 
think of it.

At 11:25 AM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
>If WalMart are selling 'em, they'll be dirt cheap.  Grab the lot, mate!!  I
>would!
>
>Gra'



From ktl at bornet.net  Mon Dec 20 20:47:54 2004
From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:47:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
In-Reply-To: <20041220163440.78920.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAluSn7JHVyUuKseEZdXamkMKAAAAQAAAAg5J3JUIq+0WEWkigN341IgEAAAAA@bornet.net>

Why Not??
Me Myself, is looking for, at least a schematic, for a Hitachi HA5700
amplifier, manufactured in
the middle of the 70's.

With best regards

Tomas Larsson
Sweden

Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Bala Ganesh Chandra
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:35 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals


Hi Tom, and the rest, 

       Are non Nak, user and service manuals welcome?

Bala
--- Tomas Larsson <ktl at bornet.net> wrote:

> I am Starting a web-site dedicated to firstly our
> NAK's, but also anything
> else.
> This site is pure technical, with service-manuals
> etc only, no forums, no
> pop-ups nothing else actually, no commercial either.
> I do have unlimited
> space, just a matter how large HD's I fit.
> 
> I'm setting up a FTP-server for uploads as well, now
> this will take some
> time to sort out, but consider it as a christmas
> present.
> 
> www.naks.mine.nu
> http://naks.mine.nu
> 
> In the mean time feel free to upload whatever you
> have to me on my
> mail-account.
> I can safely handle up to 5 meg attachements, one
> each 5 minutes or so.
> 
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> 
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> Sweden
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From digitalvoice at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 20 21:16:17 2004
From: digitalvoice at yahoo.com (Digital Voice)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:16:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
Message-ID: <20041220201617.34081.qmail@web40529.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello to all,

I have a question regarding cassette shells.

This past year I got on ebay small lots of old pre-recorded cassettes
(maybe 400 in all).
I noticed that in most cases the tape/recording is fine, but the
cassette shell/mechanism itself is in very poor condition.

What would you recommend as the best/inexpensive ($1 & under) type of
cassette that I could buy a bunch of, just to use the shells/mechanisms
for those old pre-recorded cassettes?

Thanks,
Victor




From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 20 23:03:34 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:03:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Laseramorphous
In-Reply-To: <20041220135536.JXSB22789.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20041220220334.40042.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>

The amorphous sometimes means glass.  It sort of sounds like
something Akai was doing with their GX heads.  I have no idea what
the laser part would be refering to.

SJ




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> Does anyone know what 'laseramorphous' mean when refered to
> cassette deck heads?
> 
> Roland
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From lists at richardhess.com  Mon Dec 20 23:09:37 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
In-Reply-To: <20041220201617.34081.qmail@web40529.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041220170716.04f45ec0@127.0.0.1>

At 12:16 PM 12/20/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello to all,
>
>
>What would you recommend as the best/inexpensive ($1 & under) type of
>cassette that I could buy a bunch of, just to use the shells/mechanisms
>for those old pre-recorded cassettes?
I've been happy with the shells I've bought as "C0s" from
http://www.arcal.com
specifically
http://www.arcal.com/c0s.html

They have other types (or did) when I called...how about 4 cents each?

Cheers,

Richard 




From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 21 00:05:24 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:05:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
In-Reply-To: <000901c4e68d$9cf510a0$2a904c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20041220230524.84097.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com>

I recently bought a Nak ST-7 tuner with a problem.  I haven't
received the unit yet, but, the seller says that it turns on for a
second and then turns off.  Does anyone have any ideas what could be
the problem?  I seem to recall some discussion of a problem similar
to this several years ago, but, can't find it.

Also does anyone have the manuals (service and owner's) in an
emailable format?

Scott J.


		
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Dec 21 00:57:33 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:57:33 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7CC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Scott. Whenever I have worked on equipment that behaves in this way it
usually means that there is some component that is shorted out and the
protection circuit cuts in. I would start looking around the power supply
area first and check the primary and secondary stages, look for
electrolytics that have dried up first (measure them of course to see if
they are ok), and check the transistors and resistors around that area. I
know this is vague but without a service manual this method sometimes helps.
Another thing you can try is to remove suspect components and power up the
unit to see if it powers up, if it does then the problem may be that
component or a component around that one.

	Hope this helps.
	
	Tom.

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Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem


I recently bought a Nak ST-7 tuner with a problem.  I haven't
received the unit yet, but, the seller says that it turns on for a
second and then turns off.  Does anyone have any ideas what could be
the problem?  I seem to recall some discussion of a problem similar
to this several years ago, but, can't find it.

Also does anyone have the manuals (service and owner's) in an
emailable format?

Scott J.


		
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 21 02:19:01 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:19:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7CC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <20041221011901.43113.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>

I seem to remember something about about a internal backup battery
that goes dead on this model.  Anyone familar with the innerds.  I
guess I will be in about a week.

SJ

--- Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Scott. Whenever I have worked on equipment that behaves in this
> way it
> usually means that there is some component that is shorted out and
> the
> protection circuit cuts in. I would start looking around the power
> supply
> area first and check the primary and secondary stages, look for
> electrolytics that have dried up first (measure them of course to
> see if
> they are ok), and check the transistors and resistors around that
> area. I
> know this is vague but without a service manual this method
> sometimes helps.
> Another thing you can try is to remove suspect components and power
> up the
> unit to see if it powers up, if it does then the problem may be
> that
> component or a component around that one.
> 
> 	Hope this helps.
> 	
> 	Tom.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 10:05
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
> 
> 
> I recently bought a Nak ST-7 tuner with a problem.  I haven't
> received the unit yet, but, the seller says that it turns on for a
> second and then turns off.  Does anyone have any ideas what could
> be
> the problem?  I seem to recall some discussion of a problem similar
> to this several years ago, but, can't find it.
> 
> Also does anyone have the manuals (service and owner's) in an
> emailable format?
> 
> Scott J.
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 21 03:58:14 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:58:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Laseramorphous
In-Reply-To: <20041220220334.40042.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041221025814.34199.qmail@web52402.mail.yahoo.com>

Amorphous metals are more like glass - hard non crystalline atomic structure- amorphous is opposite of crystalline atomic structure. Some magnetic matals gets enhanced properties by rapidly cooling them -sometimes called as metallic glasses!!! Laser treatment is done to enhance surface hardness to reduce wear. So these laser amorphous heads are supposed to have better magnetic properties with better wear resistance. Sometimes looking back - dual capstan pressure pad lifter is far superior to these laser amorphous heads in terms of tech spec itself!!!
kannan

Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com> wrote:
The amorphous sometimes means glass. It sort of sounds like
something Akai was doing with their GX heads. I have no idea what
the laser part would be refering to.

SJ




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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Dec 21 08:40:10 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:40:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
Message-ID: <s1c7ef8e.028@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Greetings Derrick....

I agree with Graham - I would definitely get as many as can be
conveniently kept at home if the deal is attrractive.  They are really
excellent tapes - although take note of Michael Yoders comment.  I can't
say I have noticed thed the need to clean heads more often, but in
fairness I haven't looked too hard.  In reality, I switch from one tape
type to another very frequently and frankly would be unable to indict
one tape more than another in this respect.

Anyhow - buy 'em.  Tis the season of silliness, so if in doubt, you
need no further excuse!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 12/20/04 04:13PM >>>
I prefer Maxell.  Firstly, they've seemed to last longer than my TDKs
have, 
fewer dropouts.  I just like their sound better for some reason.  In
tape 
trading circles, Maxell XLII seemed to be the standard, although TDK SA

were acceptable.

Are XLIIs still in production?  Our local Wal-Mart (which I loathe to 
enter, but had no choice this weekend) has a bunch of them.  Was
wondering 
if I should scarf them up, or if they will be around for a while.


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>From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] 
>Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 6:09
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
>
>
>Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
>better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
>and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
>stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
>far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
>to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
>with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
>the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
>folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
>
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From bhonhoff at dds.nl  Mon Dec 20 23:16:05 2004
From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:16:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
In-Reply-To: <20041220201617.34081.qmail@web40529.mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Victor,

Maybe one of the copying guys can order some empty cassette cases.
I can recall that in my sound-recording days, you could order TDK-tapes of all
lengths, quality and empty (screwed) cases too. They might if ordered 400 not
more expensive than 0,20 $.

regards,

bart


Quoting Digital Voice <digitalvoice at yahoo.com>:

> Hello to all,
>
> I have a question regarding cassette shells.
>
> This past year I got on ebay small lots of old pre-recorded cassettes
> (maybe 400 in all).
> I noticed that in most cases the tape/recording is fine, but the
> cassette shell/mechanism itself is in very poor condition.
>
> What would you recommend as the best/inexpensive ($1 & under) type of
> cassette that I could buy a bunch of, just to use the shells/mechanisms
> for those old pre-recorded cassettes?
>
> Thanks,
> Victor
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 21 00:05:22 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 01:05:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
In-Reply-To: <008b01c4e6c1$13467e00$59773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F35EAEB65F613CD73B71683ABA20@phx.gbl>

Hi Carlos!

For me also I like very much TDK SA series or under Nakamichi Brand SX! 
Today I can't obtain more
TDK made in USA ...so I wento to Fuji Z Type 2 ones 90 minutes. for a mere 
ONE AMERCAN DOLLAR each. It's also with my Dragon superb!!!

A happy 2005 year!

ALEX!



>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:23:59 -0800
>
>Nicely put, Marc. Well guys, what  would you think if I tell you that the 
>best "selling" cassette tape in the world was not TDK, neither Maxell ? The 
>tape duplicators used were neither of these. The best one was BASF. Before 
>that it was AGFA and when the prices went up, Sunkyong from Korea was 
>widely used.
>
>I did load TDK and Maxell XL-ii but it was much more expensive than the 
>other 2's with no apparent advantage. Even more; they were more abrassive 
>to the heads and this was no good for a duplication's slave head that were 
>recording thousands of meters of tape per hour for an 8-16 hours a day. If 
>you take in consideration that these 14,000' pancakes were recorded at 
>mostly 80:1 speed, those JRF Magnetics heads make look the Revoxe's and 
>Nak's like Mickey Mouse.
>
>The best selling shells were from: Michelex, Lenco, Olamon and Shape. In 
>the last commercial years of the cassette, shells from Mexico (Auriga) and 
>the Middle East were ruling.
>
>Just a little bit of history ...
>
>My domestic preferred versions were Maxell & TDK. My bias was inclined to 
>Maxell but I could happily record on a TDK.
>
>Carlos
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why is TDK considerd superior to Maxell?
>
>
>>Hi Keith,
>>
>>You've had valid responses already on this so I won't repeat them
>>unnecessarily.  I imagine the majority of people who have a knee-jerk
>>response on this type of question (basic a brand loyalty one) do not
>>have the in-depth familiarity and overall knowlege that a group such as
>>this has.  Mainly, they would be the layman type reponses who are easy
>>victim to advertising and who do not have serious recorders in any
>>case.
>>
>>Both TDK and Maxell are/were major players in the market and both had
>>products of excellent quality.  However, this also applies to Sony, and
>>BASF and a lesser extent, Fuji .  And there are other companies which
>>had shorter histories and narrower ranges that were pretty good too.
>>
>>In order to have favourites, one would have to get down to specifics
>>and (to  a certain extent) the year of manaufacture.
>>
>>For instance, I would prefer the XLII to the SA and the XLII-S to the
>>SA-X.  However, from the earlier years, I would probably plumb for a TDK
>>D over a Maxell LN in 1984.  I would also choose a TDK D today over a
>>Maxell UR soundwise, although the UR is more durable.  The current
>>Maxell UD1s are decidedly more rewarding than the present TDK AD.  The
>>TDK SA assembled in Thailand  and presently available are pretty nice
>>and  have better shells than their market competitor Sony UX or their
>>own cousins, the European SAs from Luxembourg.  The "Fire series" XLIIs
>>from Telford in the UK are superb.  But, just to put a cat amongst the
>>pigeons, the SKC "CD Superchrome" from Korea is both cheaper and better
>>than any SA or UX, but not quite as solid as the XLII from any address.
>>By the way, the Italian UXs from three years ago were so good, they
>>sounded more like UX-S in UX clothing!!
>>
>>As you see, it's not just a matter of which manufacturer is better -
>>that is impossible to answer.  For instance, a little known That's MG-X
>>will cream a TDK SA simply becasue they are in different
>>categories.............to say that not all cassettes are created equal
>>is just about the understatement of the century.
>>
>>An just a final note on the two brands you mention - it was almost a
>>given in the tape trading world for 20 years, that a Maxell XLII was
>>prefered tender over a TDK SA.  I have nothing against SA, except that
>>it's satuaration must be respected in the studio or you are in for some
>>unpleasant surprises.  MOL at 10kHz of the XLII is higher and is thus
>>more tolerant of the recordist (particulary the non-Dolby recordist). I
>>quite like the Super-Avylin coating because it behaves somewhat
>>similarly to the natural chromes one used to get from BASF and Scotch in
>>the 1980s.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Marc
>>
>>>>>valman13440 at yahoo.com 12/19/04 09:09PM >>>
>>Why has TDK always had a better reputation as making
>>better cassette tapes than Maxell.Every site i go to
>>and i ask this question 95% of the time i am told to
>>stay away from maxell and go with TDK because it's a
>>far superior tape and always has been.Has it anything
>>to do with marketing hype?This basically has to do
>>with the TDK SA-X vs the Maxell XLII-S and the SA vs
>>the XLII..Any comments to why the vast majority of
>>folks like TDK better and say stay away from Maxell?Peace,Keith.
>>
>>
>>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Dec 21 00:43:36 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:43:36 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Laseramorphous
In-Reply-To: <20041220220334.40042.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4e6ed$b93f7d80$77c94c51@oemcomputer>

That reminds me ... didn't Technics produce some very special heads of this
kind in the later years?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Scott Johnson
> Sent: 20 December 2004 22:04
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Laseramorphous
>
>
> The amorphous sometimes means glass.  It sort of sounds like
> something Akai was doing with their GX heads.  I have no idea what
> the laser part would be refering to.
>
> SJ
>
>
>
>



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 21 04:41:30 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:41:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
Message-ID: <BAY103-F8A5AB3D2FAB2925D3854E9EA30@phx.gbl>

No battery, this tuner has a capacitor that holds the memory should the  
power go out. The key is that the memory is volatile, if the power stays off 
for a certain amount of time the tuner stations memory is lost. A battery 
would have been the way to go!

I have had this tuner since new and never regretted it's purchase over the 
Magnum Dynalab.

N

>From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:19:01 -0800 (PST)
>
>I seem to remember something about about a internal backup battery
>that goes dead on this model.  Anyone familar with the innerds.  I
>guess I will be in about a week.
>
>SJ
>
>--- Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hi Scott. Whenever I have worked on equipment that behaves in this
> > way it
> > usually means that there is some component that is shorted out and
> > the
> > protection circuit cuts in. I would start looking around the power
> > supply
> > area first and check the primary and secondary stages, look for
> > electrolytics that have dried up first (measure them of course to
> > see if
> > they are ok), and check the transistors and resistors around that
> > area. I
> > know this is vague but without a service manual this method
> > sometimes helps.
> > Another thing you can try is to remove suspect components and power
> > up the
> > unit to see if it powers up, if it does then the problem may be
> > that
> > component or a component around that one.
> >
> > 	Hope this helps.
> >
> > 	Tom.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 10:05
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
> >
> >
> > I recently bought a Nak ST-7 tuner with a problem.  I haven't
> > received the unit yet, but, the seller says that it turns on for a
> > second and then turns off.  Does anyone have any ideas what could
> > be
> > the problem?  I seem to recall some discussion of a problem similar
> > to this several years ago, but, can't find it.
> >
> > Also does anyone have the manuals (service and owner's) in an
> > emailable format?
> >
> > Scott J.
> >
> >
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From bobf at oodg.net  Tue Dec 21 09:07:39 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:07:39 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
Message-ID: <200412210807.CEL00355@ms9.netsolmail.com>

Actually there is a similar problem with the station memory section losing 
memory and there are factory service bulletins about both issues.  

The problem for the tuner memory is with the "bleed down circuit" and as 
components age the capacitor will bleed down too fast.  Mine was taking about 
5 minutes of off time to forget stations.  The ST-7 just uses a capacitor to 
hold charge and it is supposed to be good for about two weeks off time.  
(Seems like it was months when it was new.)

Seems the circuitry was weak to start with and goes bad. You need to make a 
small modification to correct it.

I will be happy to mail the bulletin or copy manuals to anyone who needs it.  
I found it at the Nakamichi web site and copied it off.  I also have a 
service manual I bought on eBay.

If you need a copy email me directly at bobf @ oodg . net

If you go to the Namamichi site there are still some old manuals in the 
service section and you may be able to fine one.  If not let me know and I 
will fire up the copier.  If there are enough needy Nakers I will scan for 
email.

Happy tuning.

Bob

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:19:01 -0800 (PST)
>From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>  
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem  
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>I seem to remember something about about a internal backup battery
>that goes dead on this model.  Anyone familar with the innerds.  I
>guess I will be in about a week.
>
>SJ
>
>--- Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott. Whenever I have worked on equipment that behaves in this
>> way it
>> usually means that there is some component that is shorted out and
>> the
>> protection circuit cuts in. I would start looking around the power
>> supply
>> area first and check the primary and secondary stages, look for
>> electrolytics that have dried up first (measure them of course to
>> see if
>> they are ok), and check the transistors and resistors around that
>> area. I
>> know this is vague but without a service manual this method
>> sometimes helps.
>> Another thing you can try is to remove suspect components and power
>> up the
>> unit to see if it powers up, if it does then the problem may be
>> that
>> component or a component around that one.
>> 
>> 	Hope this helps.
>> 	
>> 	Tom.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 10:05
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
>> 
>> 
>> I recently bought a Nak ST-7 tuner with a problem.  I haven't
>> received the unit yet, but, the seller says that it turns on for a
>> second and then turns off.  Does anyone have any ideas what could
>> be
>> the problem?  I seem to recall some discussion of a problem similar
>> to this several years ago, but, can't find it.
>> 
>> Also does anyone have the manuals (service and owner's) in an
>> emailable format?
>> 
>> Scott J.
>> 
>> 
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From salimarz at telkom.net  Tue Dec 21 18:05:15 2004
From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:05:15 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
	helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
References: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl><41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net>
	<41BF6AD6.6020601@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <001601c4e77f$495b0060$6401a8c0@aisha>

Wow ... all this for a cassette deck.
Amazing to think the kind of world we live in.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: <britri at comcast.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able to
helpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?


> Thanks for the tip.
>
> As to the unresponsive Stephen Sank, Alan needs to begin taking action
> ASAP to recover his errant Nakamichi:
>
> 1. File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau NOW.




From salimarz at telkom.net  Tue Dec 21 18:07:35 2004
From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:07:35 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem
References: <20041220230524.84097.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c4e77f$91b81640$6401a8c0@aisha>


Can't recall any protection circuitry inside this tuner.  
If you're lucky just a power cable barely hanging on.

Sorry can't be much help on this Scott !

SM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:05 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak ST-7 tuner problem


> I recently bought a Nak ST-7 tuner with a problem.  I haven't
> received the unit yet, but, the seller says that it turns on for a
> second and then turns off.  Does anyone have any ideas what could be
> the problem?  I seem to recall some discussion of a problem similar
> to this several years ago, but, can't find it.
> 
> Also does anyone have the manuals (service and owner's) in an
> emailable format?
> 
> Scott J.
> 
> 




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 21 20:56:26 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:56:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] For ALL UK Nak lovers...Breaking News!
Message-ID: <BAY23-F17B51C70842DC6D6379F00ABA30@phx.gbl>

Hi to all UK Nak fans!

Today I acquired a box of ten Fuji Z Mk2 90 minutes cassettes... Made 100% 
in Japan!

The vendor/seller gave me an a UK address of  "Europe's largest Video tape & 
Equipment Distributor" as they name himself;  "STANLEY PRODUCTIONS LTD"  147 
Wardour Street; London W1F 8WD.
Phone #: 020 7439 0311 & 020 7494 4545 Fax #: 020 7437 2126

I really hope that there all our UK fans will be able to find at an a very 
reseonable price cassettes or reels...!

Good Luck!

Sincerely,

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Dec 21 22:04:03 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:04:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041221160324.01a77930@psulias.psu.edu>

What are the specs like on this NR system?  How does it compare to the 
various Dolbys and dbx?
Thanks,



From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Wed Dec 22 01:43:31 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:43:31 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAluSn7JHVyUuKseEZdXamkMKAAAAQAAAAg5J3JUIq+0WEWkigN341IgEAAAAA@bornet.net>
Message-ID: <004001c4e7bf$432e63e0$dd1b0cd0@r7g1f8>

Perhaps a translation please, Tomas.

Randall in Seattle, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tomas Larsson" <ktl at bornet.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals


> Why Not??
> Me Myself, is looking for, at least a schematic, for a Hitachi HA5700
> amplifier, manufactured in
> the middle of the 70's.
>
> With best regards
>
> Tomas Larsson
> Sweden
>
> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Bala Ganesh Chandra
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:35 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>
>
> Hi Tom, and the rest,
>
>        Are non Nak, user and service manuals welcome?
>
> Bala
> --- Tomas Larsson <ktl at bornet.net> wrote:
>
> > I am Starting a web-site dedicated to firstly our
> > NAK's, but also anything
> > else.
> > This site is pure technical, with service-manuals
> > etc only, no forums, no
> > pop-ups nothing else actually, no commercial either.
> > I do have unlimited
> > space, just a matter how large HD's I fit.
> >
> > I'm setting up a FTP-server for uploads as well, now
> > this will take some
> > time to sort out, but consider it as a christmas
> > present.
> >
> > www.naks.mine.nu
> > http://naks.mine.nu
> >
> > In the mean time feel free to upload whatever you
> > have to me on my
> > mail-account.
> > I can safely handle up to 5 meg attachements, one
> > each 5 minutes or so.
> >
> > With best regards
> >
> > Tomas Larsson
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> >
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Wed Dec 22 02:22:33 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:22:33 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Problem With  Nakamichi 480 Cassette Deck
Message-ID: <9.39e4ed0c.2efa2659@aol.com>

Dear Tim,   Many many!!! Thanks!!:)   for being so  VERY KIND !!! to send the 
service manual in PDF format in email.  You are a GREAT!  Guy!:)   Thanks 
again for helping!


With Best Regards!
Ali
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Wed Dec 22 04:48:29 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:48:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] TDK Cassette
Message-ID: <41C8EE8D.1020404@woods-and-waters.com>

I just purchased a few blank cassettes from Walmart with the rather 
pretentious name of "TDK CDPower II." I hope they don't sound like CDs 
once recorded in my Nak! Also for sale were Sony CDit.

Does anyone know anything about these? They're relatively inexpensive.

My take on the TDK SA versus Maxell XL-II debate is straightforward: 
Nakamichi recorders let you calibrate the deck so optimally, that in 
practice either is as good. It comes down to mechanical quality.

I keep meticulous MRO schedules on my recorders, and in my experience 
the Maxell tapes do foul the heads and pinch roller faster than the TDK, 
but the service life of the tapes seems equal to me. TDK SA deoesn't 
seem to have the as high an MOL as maxell but TDK, on my test gear, 
exhibits slighlty lower odd-order harmonics in its distortion. This 
could give it a subjective sense of "openness" if compared to Maxell.

Issues like azimuth errors, Dolby mistracking and less-than-optimal bias 
setting will degrade the sound far more than the tape's formulation. 
Given that Naks provide the ability to achieve tight tolerances on these 
parameters, the decks get the most out of any tape they use. I predict 
that as quality tapes become more scarce, Nakamichi decks will grow in 
popularity because of this ability. So, a Nakamichi is a far more sound 
investment than any other brand of cassette recorder, and many 
reel-to-reels. (Sorry I just couldn't pass the opportunity for the pun!)

N-Joy!

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 22 09:06:12 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:06:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji Z-2 cassette!
Message-ID: <BAY23-F1496DFED06E6853257094ABA40@phx.gbl>

Dear forum friends!

Yesterday I acquired a box of 10 Fuji X-2 cassettes 90 minutes for US$:10.00 
the whole box.

Now I'm making my first recording using my Dragon with NO Dolby at all 
(Intend to listen this cassette with my car radio/cassette...NOT an 
expensive one...so any Dolby will sound with "To Much" treble!).

It's amazing the sound totally exactly to the source (Cd in my case 
today!)..., I always listen "Monitoring" the recording...so directly the 
playback...for check any "Drops"...etc...!, ever...This Fuji Z-2 type 
cassette (Top of the Fuji line today!), it's MUCH better that my TDK's SA, 
SA-X, Maxell XL-2S that during the late 90ties I acquired...much...much more 
expensive them that today I pay for this Fuji box!

Now...a "TIP" that I want to share with all of you...!

Maybe I'm "Mad"...I always turn on the Dragon one hour earlier that I begin 
my recording session, so the electronics get "Warm"...to a better sound! 
After loading this Fuji cassette I put the recording mode ON ...press 
"Level" make the necessary adjustments...press "Bias", make the necessary 
adjustments...after waiting till the "Red Arrow" stops blinking...return 
back to "Level"...during the "Bias" mode...adjust again the "level" knobs > 
press "Bias" again adjust the relative knobs..and back & forth at least 3 
times more...till remain the same adjustments for two back & forth times, 
looking that the earlier adjustment remain the same...so I press the "Reset" 
button..., rewind the cassette till the "Cleaning Leader" is also 
rewind...begin my recording waiting till the "Counter" show me 0006...press 
the play button on my Cd player...till my "Edit" program in my Philips 
CD-850 Mk-2 player finish playing...(The Dragon record all such playing...of 
course!), BUT...I listen with the "Monitor" switch ON...so really I'm 
listening the Dragon's playback just after the record!

This maybe "Unusual" method provide fo me amazing results...! Worth a 
trying!

Happy Listening & my best wishes for this coming 2005 year!

Sincerely,

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From ti at amb.org  Wed Dec 22 11:25:30 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:25:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041221160324.01a77930@psulias.psu.edu> from "Derrick
	Beckner" at Dec 21, 2004 04:04:03 PM
Message-ID: <20041222102530.C54D11692B@smtp.amb.org>

Derrick Beckner writes:
> What are the specs like on this NR system?  How does it compare to the 
> various Dolbys and dbx?

You can think of the High Com system as something in between Dolby B and dbx.
Like dbx, it performs dynamic range compression during recording and
expansion during playback.  However, it does not do so in a linear fashion
across a broad frequency spectrum like dbx.  In this respect High Com works
a bit like Dolby.  The high frequencies get a more aggressive compression
than the mids.  Moreover, beyond a certain peak level threshold the
compression/expansion ceases.  This is a bit like Dolby C, but with
different frequency turnover characteristics.

Dolby B when operating optimally should give about 10dB improvement
in S/N ratio in the mid-to-high frequency range.  Dolby C and High Com
both achieve about 20dB gain in S/N over the same spectrum.  Contrast
this to dbx which gives 30dB boost in S/N over the entire audio band.

-Ti
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Vorsprung durch Technik



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 22 11:57:41 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:57:41 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Lovely tape (Cassettes) article!
Message-ID: <BAY23-F805FED1AF3FE6F1B20643ABA40@phx.gbl>


http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/tape/messages/1505.html

With my best wishes!

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Dec 22 14:08:37 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:08:37 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
In-Reply-To: <20041222102530.C54D11692B@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <004601c4e827$59856720$cfa24e51@oemcomputer>

I've got a Hi Com I don't use/want to use if anyone wants to make me an
offer!  I bought it but never liked using it.  To even my ear, I feel it
degrades the sound too much.  So, I stick with Dolby B or C, or not at all.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ti Kan
> Sent: 22 December 2004 10:26
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
>
>
> Derrick Beckner writes:
> > What are the specs like on this NR system?  How does it compare to the
> > various Dolbys and dbx?
>
> You can think of the High Com system as something in between
> Dolby B and dbx.
> Like dbx, it performs dynamic range compression during recording and
> expansion during playback.  However, it does not do so in a linear fashion
> across a broad frequency spectrum like dbx.  In this respect High
> Com works
> a bit like Dolby.  The high frequencies get a more aggressive compression
> than the mids.  Moreover, beyond a certain peak level threshold the
> compression/expansion ceases.  This is a bit like Dolby C, but with
> different frequency turnover characteristics.
>
> Dolby B when operating optimally should give about 10dB improvement
> in S/N ratio in the mid-to-high frequency range.  Dolby C and High Com
> both achieve about 20dB gain in S/N over the same spectrum.  Contrast
> this to dbx which gives 30dB boost in S/N over the entire audio band.
>
> -Ti
> --
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 22 15:11:40 2004
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:11:40 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Fuji Z-2 cassette!
Message-ID: <BAY10-F16AD20FD91B98A96D297CCDBA40@phx.gbl>

You're not really mad. When I record during a weekend, I keep the Nak decks 
on at all times. My CD player stays on all the time. Recording music during 
a weekend really makes my weekend joyful and jolly. Happy Holidays.

>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>CC: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Fuji Z-2 cassette!
>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:06:12 +0200
>
>Dear forum friends!
>
>Yesterday I acquired a box of 10 Fuji X-2 cassettes 90 minutes for 
>US$:10.00 the whole box.
>
>Now I'm making my first recording using my Dragon with NO Dolby at all 
>(Intend to listen this cassette with my car radio/cassette...NOT an 
>expensive one...so any Dolby will sound with "To Much" treble!).
>
>It's amazing the sound totally exactly to the source (Cd in my case 
>today!)..., I always listen "Monitoring" the recording...so directly the 
>playback...for check any "Drops"...etc...!, ever...This Fuji Z-2 type 
>cassette (Top of the Fuji line today!), it's MUCH better that my TDK's SA, 
>SA-X, Maxell XL-2S that during the late 90ties I acquired...much...much 
>more expensive them that today I pay for this Fuji box!
>
>Now...a "TIP" that I want to share with all of you...!
>
>Maybe I'm "Mad"...I always turn on the Dragon one hour earlier that I begin 
>my recording session, so the electronics get "Warm"...to a better sound! 
>After loading this Fuji cassette I put the recording mode ON ...press 
>"Level" make the necessary adjustments...press "Bias", make the necessary 
>adjustments...after waiting till the "Red Arrow" stops blinking...return 
>back to "Level"...during the "Bias" mode...adjust again the "level" knobs > 
>press "Bias" again adjust the relative knobs..and back & forth at least 3 
>times more...till remain the same adjustments for two back & forth times, 
>looking that the earlier adjustment remain the same...so I press the 
>"Reset" button..., rewind the cassette till the "Cleaning Leader" is also 
>rewind...begin my recording waiting till the "Counter" show me 0006...press 
>the play button on my Cd player...till my "Edit" program in my Philips 
>CD-850 Mk-2 player finish playing...(The Dragon record all such 
>playing...of course!), BUT...I listen with the "Monitor" switch ON...so 
>really I'm listening the Dragon's playback just after the record!
>
>This maybe "Unusual" method provide fo me amazing results...! Worth a 
>trying!
>
>Happy Listening & my best wishes for this coming 2005 year!
>
>Sincerely,
>
>ALEX!
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From greynolds at newsguy.com  Wed Dec 22 15:15:01 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:15:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be able
	tohelpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
References: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl><41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net><41BF6AD6.6020601@woods-and-waters.com>
	<001601c4e77f$495b0060$6401a8c0@aisha>
Message-ID: <002d01c4e830$a3aec270$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com>

From: "Salim Marzuki" <salimarz at telkom.net>

> Wow ... all this for a cassette deck.
> Amazing to think the kind of world we live in.

But it works both ways...  If Stephen would simply provide a realistic
delivery date, answer an email, or answer a phone call, all would probably
be well.  If Stephen doesn't respond to his customers and gives the
appearance of disappearing with their equipment, don't those customers have
the responsibility to notify other potential customers and do something to
recover their gear?
-- 
Geoffrey Reynolds



From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Wed Dec 22 16:45:53 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:45:53 EST
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
Message-ID: <142.3b9affc7.2efaf0b1@aol.com>

Its must be a real good system as Nakamichi always went with the best!! and 
it was originally brain child of Telefunken of West Germany who vaccum tubes 
are regarded as the finest sounding audio tubes in the world. Nakamachi licensed 
this Hi-Com Noise Reduction system from Telefunken .  

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From lists at richardhess.com  Wed Dec 22 17:47:52 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:47:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041221160324.01a77930@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041222114225.078fa960@127.0.0.1>

At 04:04 PM 12/21/2004 -0500, Derrick Beckner wrote:
>What are the specs like on this NR system?  How does it compare to the 
>various Dolbys and dbx?

 From the perspective of someone who recovers tapes for people who no 
longer have the appropriate equipment to play them or the tapes have become 
damaged, please don't make any more tapes with HiCom. It is a relatively 
rare format, it isn't that well understood, so you're leaving a legacy of 
tapes that will be difficult to play.

Yes, I have a HiComII unit "just in case" but few do. I also have four 
channels of Telefunken Telcom C4d.

Of course, if it's just for yourself, go for it. I haven't done any real 
evaluation of the HiCom vs. Dolby or dbx, but, in general, the less 
aggressive the noise reduction, the more robust and less likely to have 
interchange problems.

Cheers,

Richard
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/  




From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Dec 23 01:33:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:33:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be abletohelpwithmy
	problems with Stephen Sank?
References: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl><41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net><41BF6AD6.6020601@woods-and-waters.com><001601c4e77f$495b0060$6401a8c0@aisha>
	<002d01c4e830$a3aec270$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c4e886$f8c9e860$45773242@CopyTech>

Can we stop this "Stephen's" shit once and for all ? We did what we can. 
That's all. From now on if anyone here wants to fix his/her nak, send it to 
what ever place he/she wants. Stephen, ES, B&W, Waterloo, etc ...

Let's go back to Nak Talk, please !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" <greynolds at newsguy.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be 
abletohelpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?


> From: "Salim Marzuki" <salimarz at telkom.net>
>
>> Wow ... all this for a cassette deck.
>> Amazing to think the kind of world we live in.
>
> But it works both ways...  If Stephen would simply provide a realistic
> delivery date, answer an email, or answer a phone call, all would probably
> be well.  If Stephen doesn't respond to his customers and gives the
> appearance of disappearing with their equipment, don't those customers 
> have
> the responsibility to notify other potential customers and do something to
> recover their gear?
> -- 
> Geoffrey Reynolds
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Dec 22 19:08:21 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:08:21 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
In-Reply-To: <142.3b9affc7.2efaf0b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4e851$39cabf00$e6834c51@oemcomputer>

Ummm ... I don't think that Nakamichi did everything the best, just cassette
decks, and then, not always (and certainly not these days!)  IMHO the Hi Com
was not one of their finest hours, either.

Ba Humbug!

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of BOEING747600 at aol.com
  Sent: 22 December 2004 15:46
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK HI COM


  Its must be a real good system as Nakamichi always went with the best!!
and it was originally brain child of Telefunken of West Germany who vaccum
tubes are regarded as the finest sounding audio tubes in the world.
Nakamachi licensed this Hi-Com Noise Reduction system from Telefunken .

  With Best Regards!
  Ali
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From ktl at bornet.net  Wed Dec 22 19:15:07 2004
From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:15:07 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
In-Reply-To: <004001c4e7bf$432e63e0$dd1b0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAluSn7JHVyUuKseEZdXamkMKAAAAQAAAAnatCunXjS0Cs2ooaizmpMAEAAAAA@bornet.net>

Well, I haven't hadf time to put it up yet, it's a copy of my private site,
deals mostly with Citroen XM car.
Everything will hopefully be finished over the weekend.

With best regards

Tomas Larsson
Sweden

Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of JVB/RHG
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:44 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals


Perhaps a translation please, Tomas.

Randall in Seattle, USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tomas Larsson" <ktl at bornet.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals


> Why Not??
> Me Myself, is looking for, at least a schematic, for a Hitachi HA5700 
> amplifier, manufactured in the middle of the 70's.
>
> With best regards
>
> Tomas Larsson
> Sweden
>
> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On 
> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:35 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>
>
> Hi Tom, and the rest,
>
>        Are non Nak, user and service manuals welcome?
>
> Bala
> --- Tomas Larsson <ktl at bornet.net> wrote:
>
> > I am Starting a web-site dedicated to firstly our
> > NAK's, but also anything
> > else.
> > This site is pure technical, with service-manuals
> > etc only, no forums, no
> > pop-ups nothing else actually, no commercial either.
> > I do have unlimited
> > space, just a matter how large HD's I fit.
> >
> > I'm setting up a FTP-server for uploads as well, now
> > this will take some
> > time to sort out, but consider it as a christmas
> > present.
> >
> > www.naks.mine.nu
> > http://naks.mine.nu
> >
> > In the mean time feel free to upload whatever you
> > have to me on my
> > mail-account.
> > I can safely handle up to 5 meg attachements, one
> > each 5 minutes or so.
> >
> > With best regards
> >
> > Tomas Larsson
> > Sweden
> >
> > Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
> >
> >
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Wed Dec 22 22:14:18 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:14:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Lovely tape (Cassettes) article!
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F805FED1AF3FE6F1B20643ABA40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY23-F805FED1AF3FE6F1B20643ABA40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41C9E3AA.6080108@woods-and-waters.com>

Alex, thanks for the link! In a way, it's a bit of a downer, unless 
you're a gambler at heart. If I understand correctly, this answers my 
previous question about cassette brands: it's all just labels now and no 
one really knows what they're actually buying. I'm glad I have a 
Nakamichi! I think it's time to sell off my non-Nakamichi cassette decks.


N-Joy!

Alex Cozac wrote:
> 
> http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/tape/messages/1505.html
> 
> With my best wishes!
> 
> ALEX!


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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 23 01:14:00 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:14:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be
	abletohelpwithmyproblems with Stephen Sank?
References: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl><41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net><41BF6AD6.6020601@woods-and-waters.com><001601c4e77f$495b0060$6401a8c0@aisha><002d01c4e830$a3aec270$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com>
	<001d01c4e886$f8c9e860$45773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001301c4e884$4e9dad60$524a7ad5@oemcomputer>

That should do it nicely, Carlos

Steven is probably charging half what he should anyway,
If you send a vintage car away for a rebuild you would be lucky
to see it back in a year, and probably not hear anything in the meantime
hey ho!

"Ain't nothing as funny as folk"

Merry Christmas

Terry
terry at affinityaudio.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be
abletohelpwithmyproblems with Stephen Sank?


> Can we stop this "Stephen's" shit once and for all ? We did what we can.
> That's all. From now on if anyone here wants to fix his/her nak, send it
to
> what ever place he/she wants. Stephen, ES, B&W, Waterloo, etc ...
>
> Let's go back to Nak Talk, please !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" <greynolds at newsguy.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be
> abletohelpwithmy problems with Stephen Sank?
>
>
> > From: "Salim Marzuki" <salimarz at telkom.net>
> >
> >> Wow ... all this for a cassette deck.
> >> Amazing to think the kind of world we live in.
> >
> > But it works both ways...  If Stephen would simply provide a realistic
> > delivery date, answer an email, or answer a phone call, all would
probably
> > be well.  If Stephen doesn't respond to his customers and gives the
> > appearance of disappearing with their equipment, don't those customers
> > have
> > the responsibility to notify other potential customers and do something
to
> > recover their gear?
> > -- 
> > Geoffrey Reynolds
> >
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From greynolds at newsguy.com  Thu Dec 23 03:03:45 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:03:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone in New Mexico kind enough to be
	abletohelpwithmyproblems with Stephen Sank?
References: <BAY103-F39C82A091452F42224073E9EAC0@phx.gbl><41BF2108.3090204@comcast.net><41BF6AD6.6020601@woods-and-waters.com><001601c4e77f$495b0060$6401a8c0@aisha><002d01c4e830$a3aec270$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com>
	<001d01c4e886$f8c9e860$45773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <003801c4e893$a2df3470$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k>

From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>

> Can we stop this "Stephen's" shit once and for all ? We did what we can.
> That's all. From now on if anyone here wants to fix his/her nak, send it
to
> what ever place he/she wants. Stephen, ES, B&W, Waterloo, etc ...
>
> Let's go back to Nak Talk, please !

Carlos,

While I can certainly agree that we're nearly flogging a dead horse at this
point, I do feel that there's a lot of value in discussing problems such as
the topic of this thread here.  I suspect that the vast majority of members
of this list either aren't capable of fixing their Nakamichi products (that
would be me) or don't have enough time (also me).  It is therefore pretty
important to know who can be relied on to send our equipment to, fix it
properly, return it to us (preferably in a timely manner, but at least
provide a reasonably accurate estimate on turnaround time), and charge us a
fair amount of money to do so (fair doesn't necessarily mean cheap).  Most
of us have a pretty good amount of money tied up in our equipment and/or are
rather attached to it, so it's good to be aware of potential problems.  I
don't think this is too much to ask.

As I've stated before, I'm sure that Stephen isn't out to steal anyone's
tape decks, but he does owe his clients a reasonably accurate estimate of
turnaround time and needs to deliver on a commitment at some point.  He's
done so much to build up a business over the years, it would certainly be a
shame to see it go down the tubes (no pun intended) simply due to a lack of
communication.
--
Geoffrey Reynolds



From bhonhoff at dds.nl  Thu Dec 23 10:02:30 2004
From: bhonhoff at dds.nl (bart honhoff)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:02:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
In-Reply-To: <000001c4e851$39cabf00$e6834c51@oemcomputer>
References: <000001c4e851$39cabf00$e6834c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1103792550.41ca89a66d078@webmail.dds.nl>

Hi,

Just for your information:

Telefunken was at the time HiCom was developed one of the finest Professional
Audio company in Europe.
Telefunken was commonly known for there Amateur recorders (Most were crap,
IMHO), but their M-series are high standard. And are still used next to Studer
Recorders, which was their biggest competitor, in many Studios all over the
world.

HiCom has been developed by Telefunken in corporation with German Broadcast
Companies and DGG (Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft, known for their Classical
Recordings). And it was developed because they were not happy with Dolby (A
that is = the studio standard) nor DBX.

To my opinion is it a great (non-standard) NR-system, which is slightly better
than Dolby-C and less dependent on the quirks of tape & taperecorder
combinations of low-quality cassette recorders.

They stopped making HiCom as other companies didn't want to adapt the HiCom
system. BTW. One of the main incentives, if I can recall correctly, for Dolby
Laboratories to develop Dolby C, was BECAUSE HiCom was much better than Dolby B.

regards,

bart

Quoting Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>:

> Ummm ... I don't think that Nakamichi did everything the best, just cassette
> decks, and then, not always (and certainly not these days!)  IMHO the Hi Com
> was not one of their finest hours, either.
>
> Ba Humbug!

>
>   Its must be a real good system as Nakamichi always went with the best!!
> and it was originally brain child of Telefunken of West Germany who vaccum
> tubes are regarded as the finest sounding audio tubes in the world.
> Nakamachi licensed this Hi-Com Noise Reduction system from Telefunken .
>
>   With Best Regards!
>   Ali
>





From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 23 10:46:16 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:46:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
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Message-ID: <BAY23-DAV7D53BD4BD247894B47B3AABA50@phx.gbl>

Hi Thomas!

Also I own a BX TZS car...always repairing...I'm tired of this!

Nice 2005 New Year!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tomas Larsson" <ktl at bornet.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals


> Well, I haven't hadf time to put it up yet, it's a copy of my private 
> site,
> deals mostly with Citroen XM car.
> Everything will hopefully be finished over the weekend.
>
> With best regards
>
> Tomas Larsson
> Sweden
>
> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of JVB/RHG
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:44 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>
>
> Perhaps a translation please, Tomas.
>
> Randall in Seattle, USA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tomas Larsson" <ktl at bornet.net>
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>
>
>> Why Not??
>> Me Myself, is looking for, at least a schematic, for a Hitachi HA5700
>> amplifier, manufactured in the middle of the 70's.
>>
>> With best regards
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>> Sweden
>>
>> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
>> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra
>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:35 PM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>>
>>
>> Hi Tom, and the rest,
>>
>>        Are non Nak, user and service manuals welcome?
>>
>> Bala
>> --- Tomas Larsson <ktl at bornet.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I am Starting a web-site dedicated to firstly our
>> > NAK's, but also anything
>> > else.
>> > This site is pure technical, with service-manuals
>> > etc only, no forums, no
>> > pop-ups nothing else actually, no commercial either.
>> > I do have unlimited
>> > space, just a matter how large HD's I fit.
>> >
>> > I'm setting up a FTP-server for uploads as well, now
>> > this will take some
>> > time to sort out, but consider it as a christmas
>> > present.
>> >
>> > www.naks.mine.nu
>> > http://naks.mine.nu
>> >
>> > In the mean time feel free to upload whatever you
>> > have to me on my
>> > mail-account.
>> > I can safely handle up to 5 meg attachements, one
>> > each 5 minutes or so.
>> >
>> > With best regards
>> >
>> > Tomas Larsson
>> > Sweden
>> >
>> > Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>> >
>> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 23 10:41:11 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:41:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Lovely tape (Cassettes) article!
References: <BAY23-F805FED1AF3FE6F1B20643ABA40@phx.gbl>
	<41C9E3AA.6080108@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <BAY23-DAV10F83835A56AB8036762F1ABA50@phx.gbl>

Hi Kermit!

No all the cassettes are "brands"...or make by other source, today I relay 
only on Fuji (Axia in Japan market), the new box of Z-2 type is amazing good 
with my Dragon!

Have a nice & happy 2005 year!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Lovely tape (Cassettes) article!


> Alex, thanks for the link! In a way, it's a bit of a downer, unless you're 
> a gambler at heart. If I understand correctly, this answers my previous 
> question about cassette brands: it's all just labels now and no one really 
> knows what they're actually buying. I'm glad I have a Nakamichi! I think 
> it's time to sell off my non-Nakamichi cassette decks.
>
>
> N-Joy!
>
> Alex Cozac wrote:
>>
>> http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/tape/messages/1505.html
>>
>> With my best wishes!
>>
>> ALEX!
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Dec 23 13:00:12 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:00:12 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
In-Reply-To: <1103792550.41ca89a66d078@webmail.dds.nl>
Message-ID: <000001c4e8e6$f5500240$ce8c4c51@oemcomputer>

Hi Bart

That's v interesting.   Nevertheless, my experience with Nak's High Com
device is that is works less well than even Dolby B.  Perhaps this is
evidence that Nakamichi couldn't build it as well as they were as adapt at
setting up the Dolby systems in their decks ... or maybe it's just my High
Com is cr#p!   But it looks good ...

Cheers

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of bart honhoff
> Sent: 23 December 2004 09:03
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just for your information:
>
> Telefunken was at the time HiCom was developed one of the finest
> Professional
> Audio company in Europe.
> Telefunken was commonly known for there Amateur recorders (Most were crap,
> IMHO), but their M-series are high standard. And are still used
> next to Studer
> Recorders, which was their biggest competitor, in many Studios
> all over the
> world.
>
> HiCom has been developed by Telefunken in corporation with German
> Broadcast
> Companies and DGG (Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft, known for
> their Classical
> Recordings). And it was developed because they were not happy
> with Dolby (A
> that is = the studio standard) nor DBX.
>
> To my opinion is it a great (non-standard) NR-system, which is
> slightly better
> than Dolby-C and less dependent on the quirks of tape & taperecorder
> combinations of low-quality cassette recorders.
>
> They stopped making HiCom as other companies didn't want to adapt
> the HiCom
> system. BTW. One of the main incentives, if I can recall
> correctly, for Dolby
> Laboratories to develop Dolby C, was BECAUSE HiCom was much
> better than Dolby B.
>
> regards,
>
> bart
>



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Dec 23 13:00:14 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:00:14 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Vintage cars and cassettes
In-Reply-To: <001301c4e884$4e9dad60$524a7ad5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000101c4e8e6$f674fa40$ce8c4c51@oemcomputer>

Terry said:

"If you send a vintage car away for a rebuild you would be lucky to see it
back in a year, and probably not hear anything in the meantime ... "

May be but that isn't the case with all Nak' (or other hi fi) specialists -
e.g. note my recent experience with B&W in the UK.   Communications were
brilliant.

Similarly, THE Haden Boardman spent a little longer - about just 6 weeks
partially re-building my Eico ST70 integrated amp.  (For those that don't
know him Haden is something of a vintage tube amp guru in the UK.)

On the other hand, Brian Reeves, Mr ReVox, has had my ReVox B215 for well
over a year ... mind you, the machine was a bit of a right-off ... my one
and only e-Bay "dog" purchase.  However, at least he answers the phone and
all my e-mails!!

Gra'




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Dec 23 13:10:03 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:10:03 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  SEASONS GREETINGS
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-DAV7D53BD4BD247894B47B3AABA50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000401c4e8e8$55271d60$ce8c4c51@oemcomputer>

To all Nakophiliacs who celebrate Christmas (yes, it may come as a surprise
to some people, esp. the writers of the Band Aid song, that not everyone in
the World does so ... )

.... have a good Christmas!  And may your 2005 be filled with peace ....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/science/story/0,12996,1366352,00.html


Graham




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Dec 23 13:37:19 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:37:19 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] For ALL UK Nak lovers...Breaking News!
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F17B51C70842DC6D6379F00ABA30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000501c4e8ec$24520f20$ce8c4c51@oemcomputer>

I had a looksee @ their web site and the closest I found to this cassette
was Fuji MZ Metal C90 (and C60), the former costing around £1.13 each unless
ordering quantities of 100 or more.

Interesting, they also sell Fuji Master Chrome C90s for £1.98 ea.  Compare
to their price for TDK MA-XG C60s @ £4.96 !!

While on the site I also noticed a brand I'd never heard of before:
Quantengy.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alex Cozac
> Sent: 21 December 2004 19:56
> To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com
> Cc: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] For ALL UK Nak lovers...Breaking News!
>
>
> Hi to all UK Nak fans!
>
> Today I acquired a box of ten Fuji Z Mk2 90 minutes cassettes...
> Made 100%
> in Japan!
>
> The vendor/seller gave me an a UK address of  "Europe's largest
> Video tape &
> Equipment Distributor" as they name himself;  "STANLEY
> PRODUCTIONS LTD"  147
> Wardour Street; London W1F 8WD.
> Phone #: 020 7439 0311 & 020 7494 4545 Fax #: 020 7437 2126
>
> I really hope that there all our UK fans will be able to find at
> an a very
> reseonable price cassettes or reels...!
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ALEX!
>
>
>



From lists at richardhess.com  Thu Dec 23 17:45:04 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:45:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] For ALL UK Nak lovers...Breaking News!
In-Reply-To: <000501c4e8ec$24520f20$ce8c4c51@oemcomputer>
References: <BAY23-F17B51C70842DC6D6379F00ABA30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041223114231.07cd2b10@127.0.0.1>

At 12:37 PM 12/23/2004 +0000, Nelson wrote:

>While on the site I also noticed a brand I'd never heard of before:
>Quantengy.
Quantegy ( www.quantegy.com ) is now the only major player in professional 
reel tape media. They were originally ORRadio and then were bought by Ampex 
then spun off and then acquired the 3M audio tape line (GP9 is a 3M 
formulation, not Ampex).

That said, who knows where their cassettes are made. If they don't say 
"Made in U.S.A." then they're just rebranded something else. I don't think 
Quantegy has any owned off-shore plants.

Richard
Aurora, Ontario
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/  




From george.valkov at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 17:56:54 2004
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:56:54 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] For ALL UK Nak lovers...Breaking News!
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20041223114231.07cd2b10@127.0.0.1>
References: <BAY23-F17B51C70842DC6D6379F00ABA30@phx.gbl>
	<000501c4e8ec$24520f20$ce8c4c51@oemcomputer>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20041223114231.07cd2b10@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <518b7b104122308567dacbb6a@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't Quantegy the new name for Ampex ? Or was it Memorex ?

George


On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:45:04 -0500, Richard L. Hess
<lists at richardhess.com> wrote:
> At 12:37 PM 12/23/2004 +0000, Nelson wrote:
> 
> >While on the site I also noticed a brand I'd never heard of before:
> >Quantengy.
> Quantegy ( www.quantegy.com ) is now the only major player in professional
> reel tape media. They were originally ORRadio and then were bought by Ampex
> then spun off and then acquired the 3M audio tape line (GP9 is a 3M
> formulation, not Ampex).
> 
> That said, who knows where their cassettes are made. If they don't say
> "Made in U.S.A." then they're just rebranded something else. I don't think
> Quantegy has any owned off-shore plants.
> 
> Richard
> Aurora, Ontario
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/
> 
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Thu Dec 23 19:44:49 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:44:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
In-Reply-To: <1103792550.41ca89a66d078@webmail.dds.nl>
References: <000001c4e851$39cabf00$e6834c51@oemcomputer>
	<1103792550.41ca89a66d078@webmail.dds.nl>
Message-ID: <41CB1221.2020009@woods-and-waters.com>

Bart honhoff wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just for your information:
> 
> Telefunken was at the time HiCom was developed one of the finest Professional
> Audio company in Europe.
> Telefunken was commonly known for there Amateur recorders (Most were crap,
> IMHO), but their M-series are high standard. And are still used next to Studer
> Recorders, which was their biggest competitor, in many Studios all over the
> world.

Oh this brings back good memories! I did a session once in a studio 
equipped with a 30-ips, 1/2-inch, 2-track Telefunken M3. Absolutely 
wonderful recorder! Better tape handling than the Scully 280 I owned at 
the time and no where as big a hassle to keep aligned as a Studer A80.

> HiCom has been developed by Telefunken in corporation with German Broadcast
> Companies and DGG (Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft, known for their Classical
> Recordings). And it was developed because they were not happy with Dolby (A
> that is = the studio standard) nor DBX.

I had both Dolby A, and dbx Type I and Type II. I was quite happy with 
the Dolby A (Model M-8). I used it at 15 ips, but it wasn't really 
necessary at 30 ips, so I usually didn't bother. It was a bit of a 
hassle to interface to my Scully's tape mode switching, but other than 
that it was fine. Usually, those who dislike Dolby either didn't have it 
set up properly (easy to set it up wrong) or had a second-rate deck 
(like Otari or Tascam). Decode mistracking errors could cause trhe Dolby 
to dull the treble. Also, their mainframe multichannel units, like my 
M-8 blew tantalum capacitors with maddening regularity. Dolby also 
handled signal grounding differently from standard practice; this 
tripped up many installers and let to a bad reputation -- undeserved -- 
that Dolby units were prone to ground loops and had mediocre overall 
sound. Add to this the unfortunate tendency for audiophiles to 
phobically shun both noise reduction and equalization, Dolby's very 
difficult and expensive licensing requirements: the result is that Dolby 
has gotten undeservededly harsh critiques. (No, I was not ever a Dolby 
dealer.)

Dolby A running on a Studer A80, Scully 280 or 280B, MCI JH-16, 3M 79, 
Telefunken M3, Ampex ATR-100, MR-70 or MM1100; or Soundcraft 200 
(essentially the same as the 3M 79) is about as good as it get 
sonically. Of course, thse machines all cost more than $10,000 US in the 
  1970s when they were new. Studer A800 (an updated A80) now cost over 
$100,000 US new, I believe.

This is why I'm so passionate for my Nakamichi 600-II and 550. With 
careful operation, they'll give you big label sound equal to all but the 
most expensive 15-ips reel-to-reels (often costing more than $5,000 US 
when new), with far lower operating costs and much greater convenience. 
All you give up is the editing capability of reel-to-reels and the 
ability to "punch in" a fix to a bad take. Unless you can buy the 
aforementioned recorders -- and afford to keep them maintained and pay 
for the additional emplyees to operate them and keep them in fine 
running order (one "tape op" per deck, plus an in-house technician), you 
can't get any better sound. What a bargain!

The dbx had excellent sound, but getting consistent levels from session 
to session were problematic. dbx did have a tendency to exaggerate tape 
dropouts and had a known decode tracking error problem with cassettes or 
slow-speed reel-to-reel.

I once borrowed a HiCom from a friend for a session and found it was 
more of a hassle to set up than Dolby A (admittedly, I was quite 
accustomed to setting up the Dolby). Even though it sounded as good to 
my ears, I stayed with Dolby simply out of habit.

By the way, a combo of dbx Type II and a Nakamichi 600-II (using a good 
chrome cassette) will give you incredibly clear sound with more than 90 
dB peak-to-peak dynamic range (noise floor to clipping level). Just 
remember to set the tape EQ to 120 uS and leave the Nak's Dolby B off.

>>Ummm ... I don't think that Nakamichi did everything the best, just cassette
>>decks, and then, not always (and certainly not these days!)  IMHO the Hi Com
>>was not one of their finest hours, either.

Oh, you have to snag a Nakamichi 610 preamp. Wonderful! Their "lifestyle 
stereos" leave me cold, although they're better than Bose or Tivoli. I 
like my NAD C541 and Studer A727 CD players better than the Nakamichi CD 
player I once owned. [BTW, the Studer A727 died and will soon be an eBay 
offering, unless someone on the list would like to have it for just the 
cost of shipping -- saving me the hassle of eBay.]

N-Joy!

-- 
Kermit Gray
Woods & Waters/KVG Labs
16371 Lake Point Drive
Bonner Springs, KS 66012
USA
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
http://www.woods-and-waters.com



From flifton at mac.com  Thu Dec 23 21:21:18 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:21:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nose Reduction
In-Reply-To: <200412230824.iBN8OAPW008255@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200412230824.iBN8OAPW008255@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <34500CE2-5520-11D9-929F-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
I find I like Noise Reduction, be it Dolby or other,  less and less. 
Maybe it's because my old tin ears are wearing out faster than 1980's 
Memorex and so I need every last bit of high frequency left in the 
recording. However, a friend of mine had an interesting idea as we were 
having the old analog vs. digital debate. He posited that background 
noise (such as on old LP's or tape hiss) actually makes things like 
imaging and definition better because it gives the brain something to 
perceive the music against, a neutral auditory backdrop against which 
the sounds can stand out. It's sort of like the way the eye is better 
at picking up form and size if an object is seen against a background 
that can provide context. I think it's an interesting idea, though of 
course not the final word on analog vs digital.
What do you Nakkers think?

Happy Holidaze, one and all
Fred
(a christmas loving secular Jew)

On Dec 23, 2004, at 12:24 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

> From: BOEING747600 at aol.com
> Date: December 22, 2004 7:45:53 AM PST
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
> Its must be a real good system as Nakamichi always went with the 
> best!! and it was originally brain child of Telefunken of West Germany 
> who vaccum tubes are regarded as the finest sounding audio tubes in 
> the world. Nakamachi licensed this Hi-Com Noise Reduction system from 
> Telefunken . 
>   
> With Best Regards!
> Ali
>
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From herbchong at compuserve.com  Fri Dec 24 03:05:41 2004
From: herbchong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:05:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
References: <000001c4e8e6$f5500240$ce8c4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <007901c4e95d$1271e160$0200a8c0@tower1>

i have a Telefunken HighCom unit and it works better than Dolby B or C on my
systems. it absolutely must be calibrated to your deck's output levels or
else it doesn't work.

Herb...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 7:00 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK HI COM


>
> Hi Bart
>
> That's v interesting.   Nevertheless, my experience with Nak's High Com
> device is that is works less well than even Dolby B.  Perhaps this is
> evidence that Nakamichi couldn't build it as well as they were as adapt at
> setting up the Dolby systems in their decks ... or maybe it's just my High
> Com is cr#p!   But it looks good ...




From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 24 08:22:51 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:22:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] For ALL UK Nak lovers...Breaking News!
In-Reply-To: <518b7b104122308567dacbb6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041224072251.31887.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi, 
 
          Quantegy is the new name for Ampex. And yes their GP9 tape was a Scotch formulation. Brilliant tape that goes over 60+dB without any dbx help! I think BASF is also rebranded itseld as EMTEC, although they are in a financial rife now. Their 900 Maxima reel tape is good also, together with their ceramic plated cd blanks. Usually when you buy the 900 tape, you get two blanks free, which are made in germany btw :) Most of the casette blanks from ampex and emtec didnt reach the south east asian shores here. The hot items for the past two christmas has been cheapo cd blanks in which people stuff mp3s to spin in their cheap mp3 cd walkmans. And of course, for those going the slightly high end, they have those ipods and stuff. The people here seem to have all but written off cassettes and even mini discs. The Sony player i have has a sound quite close to an open reel, believe it or not!.
 
Bala
george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't Quantegy the new name for Ampex ? Or was it Memorex ?

George


On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:45:04 -0500, Richard L. Hess

wrote:
> At 12:37 PM 12/23/2004 +0000, Nelson wrote:
> 
> >While on the site I also noticed a brand I'd never heard of before:
> >Quantengy.
> Quantegy ( www.quantegy.com ) is now the only major player in professional
> reel tape media. They were originally ORRadio and then were bought by Ampex
> then spun off and then acquired the 3M audio tape line (GP9 is a 3M
> formulation, not Ampex).
> 
> That said, who knows where their cassettes are made. If they don't say
> "Made in U.S.A." then they're just rebranded something else. I don't think
> Quantegy has any owned off-shore plants.
> 
> Richard
> Aurora, Ontario
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/
> 
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From mhardy6647 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 24 13:44:26 2004
From: mhardy6647 at yahoo.com (Mark Hardy)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 04:44:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] newer, cheaper Nakamichi decks:  BX-2 or BX-150?
Message-ID: <20041224124426.6176.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello:

Recent activity at the town "transfer station" (dump)
has led to the acquistion of two later, low-end, two
head, silver-faced Nakamichi decks.  One is a BX-2
(including all original packaging!) and the other a
slightly frumpier (but still serviceable) BX-150. 
Both seem to work perfectly.  If fact, I've dubbed
several hours of R to R tapes for a friend using the
BX-2, and we currently have the BX-150 set up in the
bedroom to play some holiday background music.

I realize these aren't classic Nakamichi decks but, if
I were to keep only one of the two, is either
considered to be the better of the two?

Thanks for your attention!

all the best,
mrh



		
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec 24 14:35:39 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:35:39 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
In-Reply-To: <007901c4e95d$1271e160$0200a8c0@tower1>
Message-ID: <007e01c4e9bd$74f01b80$ba64893e@oemcomputer>

There you go - perhaps my Hi Com isn't so good is because it is made by Nak'
and not Telefunken?!

Have another mince pie ...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Herb Chong
> Sent: 24 December 2004 02:06
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
>
>
> i have a Telefunken HighCom unit and it works better than Dolby B
> or C on my
> systems. it absolutely must be calibrated to your deck's output levels or
> else it doesn't work.
>
> Herb...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 7:00 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
>
>
> >
> > Hi Bart
> >
> > That's v interesting.   Nevertheless, my experience with Nak's High Com
> > device is that is works less well than even Dolby B.  Perhaps this is
> > evidence that Nakamichi couldn't build it as well as they were
> as adapt at
> > setting up the Dolby systems in their decks ... or maybe it's
> just my High
> > Com is cr#p!   But it looks good ...
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec 24 15:45:57 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:45:57 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] newer, cheaper Nakamichi decks:  BX-2 or BX-150?
In-Reply-To: <20041224124426.6176.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008601c4e9c7$46e6a1a0$ba64893e@oemcomputer>

If new there would be v little in it, I'd have thought.  Therefore, if I
were you I'd concentrate on keeping going the one that presently shows least
internal wear on the heads.

Just my 2 pence worth!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Hardy
> Sent: 24 December 2004 12:44
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] newer, cheaper Nakamichi decks: BX-2 or BX-150?
>
>
> Hello:
>
> Recent activity at the town "transfer station" (dump)
> has led to the acquistion of two later, low-end, two
> head, silver-faced Nakamichi decks.  One is a BX-2
> (including all original packaging!) and the other a
> slightly frumpier (but still serviceable) BX-150.
> Both seem to work perfectly.  If fact, I've dubbed
> several hours of R to R tapes for a friend using the
> BX-2, and we currently have the BX-150 set up in the
> bedroom to play some holiday background music.
>
> I realize these aren't classic Nakamichi decks but, if
> I were to keep only one of the two, is either
> considered to be the better of the two?
>
> Thanks for your attention!
>
> all the best,
> mrh
>
>
>
>
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From greynolds at newsguy.com  Fri Dec 24 17:09:15 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:09:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] newer, cheaper Nakamichi decks:  BX-2 or BX-150?
References: <20041224124426.6176.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101c4e9d2$eaacbe90$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k>

From: "Mark Hardy" <mhardy6647 at yahoo.com>

> Recent activity at the town "transfer station" (dump)
> has led to the acquistion of two later, low-end, two
> head, silver-faced Nakamichi decks.  One is a BX-2
> (including all original packaging!) and the other a
> slightly frumpier (but still serviceable) BX-150.
> Both seem to work perfectly.  If fact, I've dubbed
> several hours of R to R tapes for a friend using the
> BX-2, and we currently have the BX-150 set up in the
> bedroom to play some holiday background music.
>
> I realize these aren't classic Nakamichi decks but, if
> I were to keep only one of the two, is either
> considered to be the better of the two?

FWIW, the BX-150 seems to sell for about double what the BX-2 sells for on
eBay (about $60 versus about $30).  Looking at pictures of each, the 150
appears to have more functions, which usually means it would be higher up in
the line, but I really don't know much about either deck.
--
Geoffrey Reynolds



From man626 at webtv.net  Fri Dec 24 17:58:25 2004
From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:58:25 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Great to hear from You!
Message-ID: <20683-41CC4AB1-9516@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>

these are some really excellent and informative posts here today! Nice
to see something besides the usual tech talk about caps/resistors and
idler mechanisms. Thanks to everyone because its one of the main reason
i contribute to naktalk throughout the year.I would like to urge
everyone to contribute as well in the spirit of this holiday season(very
easily done with the paypal link) and lets all show Wouter how much we
appreciate all the hard work and the excellent NAKtalk site!  A couple a
questions 1) what is a ceramic C.D blank?  2) any reviews on the Fuji
metal tape thats priced so reasonably?-I think Alex said the type 2 fuji
was even better.I might consider picking up 100 of the metal fujis if i
can get reasonable shipping to Texas,or if some kind Nakker would like
to frward them to me ( and try 10 or 15 for him{or preferably HER}self).



From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Fri Dec 24 21:17:04 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:17:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nose Reduction
In-Reply-To: <34500CE2-5520-11D9-929F-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
References: <200412230824.iBN8OAPW008255@zebra.naks.com>
	<34500CE2-5520-11D9-929F-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41CC7940.6090904@woods-and-waters.com>

Fred Lifton wrote:
> However, a friend of mine had an interesting idea as we were 
> having the old analog vs. digital debate. He posited that background 
> noise (such as on old LP's or tape hiss) actually makes things like 
> imaging and definition better because it gives the brain something to 
> perceive the music against, a neutral auditory backdrop against which 
> the sounds can stand out. It's sort of like the way the eye is better at 
> picking up form and size if an object is seen against a background that 
> can provide context.

Nice idea. One problem: it's one of the many myths that began life as an 
idea put forth in a magazine column in the 1970s. Audio is rife with 
junk science, pseudoscience and outright nonsense that seems quite 
plausible.

I've been researching spatial imaging in recorded music since 1977, and 
was a pioneer in satellite/subwoofer systems as one means of achieving 
excellent spatial imaging. (Proved to be a dead end).

Spatial imaging is an auditory illusion created by the brain. It hears 
the sounds from the stereo pair, then attempts to make sense of things, 
can't -- then assumes that what it hears is not two different complex 
sounds coming from those two boxes you spent money on. No, the brain 
concludes it's a panorama of sounds spanning from left to right and from 
front to back.

To create this auditory illusion the brain analyzes several phenomena, 
or "psychoacoustic cues," of the sounds and performs complex 
"calculations" to arrive at each instrument's position within the 
spatial image:

1. Loudness, intensity and pressure magnitude differences.
2. Arrival times.
3. Quality differences (frequency balance changes, waveshape changes, 
relative levels among different harmonics, diffraction effects created 
by your pinna and much more).
4. Phase and group delay differences.
5. Ratio of reveberant sound to direct sound.

This is a gross over-simplification.

The sucess to which a stereo creates a convincing spatial image depends on:

1. The number of, accuracy of, and fidelity of the requisite 
psyochoacoustic cues that are made present within the recording. This is 
the cause of the mulit-track versus "purist" stereo miking technique debate.

2. The absence of any distortions, noise, or other nonlinearities within 
the reproduce chain (speakers, amps, tape players, turntables, Cd 
players, &c.) that would obscure, degrade or alter the requisite 
psyochoacoustic cues present in the source recording. My Nakamichi 
cassette decks have been invaluable tools in my research into the 
mysteries of The Spatial Image and Man because of their excellent quality.

Thus, the brain doesn't compare the recorded sound to random noise 
artifacts to enhance its ability to synthsize the sp[atial image. Quite 
the reverse; the more absent of noise and distortion a playback is, the 
more subtle the psychoacoustic cues that can be presented to the brain 
and the more vivid the spatial image you will enjoy.

All of which is to say, in a complex way, that the proposition that the 
presence of noise or record ticks will aid the brain in its quest for a 
vivid spatial image is poppycock.

Hope this helps!

N-Joy!

-- 
Kermit Gray
Woods & Waters/KVG Labs
16371 Lake Point Drive
Bonner Springs, KS 66012
USA
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
http://www.woods-and-waters.com




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Dec 25 00:58:03 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:58:03 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] NAK HI COM
In-Reply-To: <41CB1221.2020009@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4ea14$68634c00$59e34c51@oemcomputer>

Interesting post, Kermit.

Having read your mention of the 610 pre-amp, I found this:

http://www.audiofriends.nl/audiofriends/nakamichisystemoneenglish/index.html

Yummy!!!   Who want's to buy me this lot for Christmas???  I've been a VERY
good boy ...

Gra'

>



From martinferreira at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 25 02:01:42 2004
From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:01:42 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] newer, cheaper Nakamichi decks: BX-2 or BX-150?
In-Reply-To: <20041224124426.6176.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY2-F29840B079FCA34EE6FD944DEA70@phx.gbl>

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 25 05:48:48 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 06:48:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Great to hear from You!
Message-ID: <BAY23-F14C916D64662C862BB1326ABA70@phx.gbl>

Gear Gerald!

I hate metal cassette, I wrote & use Type 2 Chrome ones...! I think that 
export from Israel to Texas, will be not so cheap by Air Mail parcel 
post...maybe by "Surface"...(Will take much longer time till will arrive to 
you...IF you are NOT in such hurry?)...can be affordable!

However I spoke with the dealer here in Israel his e-mail address is : 
us at mysystems.co.il
his first name is Mijha. If some of all of you want to buy from him drop a 
mail he responds in English, and good luck!

Happy new 2005 year to all of you!

ALEX!



>From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Great to hear from You!
>Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:58:25 -0600
>
>these are some really excellent and informative posts here today! Nice
>to see something besides the usual tech talk about caps/resistors and
>idler mechanisms. Thanks to everyone because its one of the main reason
>i contribute to naktalk throughout the year.I would like to urge
>everyone to contribute as well in the spirit of this holiday season(very
>easily done with the paypal link) and lets all show Wouter how much we
>appreciate all the hard work and the excellent NAKtalk site!  A couple a
>questions 1) what is a ceramic C.D blank?  2) any reviews on the Fuji
>metal tape thats priced so reasonably?-I think Alex said the type 2 fuji
>was even better.I might consider picking up 100 of the metal fujis if i
>can get reasonable shipping to Texas,or if some kind Nakker would like
>to frward them to me ( and try 10 or 15 for him{or preferably HER}self).
>
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Dec 25 16:19:10 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:19:10 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dec 25th & Cassettes.....
Message-ID: <001001c4ea95$1d4f4ee0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>


Gerald, et al....

Holiday Cheerz from snowy MadCity.  

You might find some of the nice Fuji cassettes here in the USA too.  Try the (hey, hey) Bluez Broz website) at:

http://adelcom.net/ctape.htm

http://adelcom.net/FUJICassetteTape.htm

Regards,

K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:58:25 -0600
From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Subject: [naktalk] Great to hear from You!
To: naktalk at naks.com
Message-ID: <20683-41CC4AB1-9516 at storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

These are some really excellent and informative posts here today! Nice
to see something besides the usual tech talk about caps/resistors and
idler mechanisms. Thanks to everyone because its one of the main reason
i contribute to naktalk throughout the year.I would like to urge
everyone to contribute as well in the spirit of this holiday season(very
easily done with the paypal link) and lets all show Wouter how much we
appreciate all the hard work and the excellent NAKtalk site!  A couple a
questions 1) what is a ceramic C.D blank?  2) any reviews on the Fuji
metal tape thats priced so reasonably?-I think Alex said the type 2 fuji
was even better.I might consider picking up 100 of the metal fujis if i
can get reasonable shipping to Texas,or if some kind Nakker would like
to forward them to me ( and try 10 or 15 for him{or preferably HER}self).



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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 25 21:40:50 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:40:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 fixed
In-Reply-To: <007e01c4e9bd$74f01b80$ba64893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20041225204050.73112.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com>

I got my St-7 tuner working about a hour ago.  This is a good
Christmas!

I found one bad capacitor on Wednesday soon after it arrived, but,
that wasn't the reason the display wouldn't come one.  Today while
admiring the electronics I discovered another bad capacitor.  I cut
it out and now it works.  I will replace the part later today.  It is
a wonderful sounding tuner and will make a great addition to my Stax
preamp and various Nak tape decks.

Scott J.


		
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Dec 25 13:12:15 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:12:15 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nose Reduction
In-Reply-To: <41CC7940.6090904@woods-and-waters.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4ea7a$f92b7120$b3db4c51@oemcomputer>

Given your research, you may find it interesting to know that I am, to some
extent, able to "hear" stereo music using just one ear ...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Kermit V. Gray
> Sent: 24 December 2004 20:17
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nose Reduction
>
>
> Fred Lifton wrote:
> > However, a friend of mine had an interesting idea as we were
> > having the old analog vs. digital debate. He posited that background
> > noise (such as on old LP's or tape hiss) actually makes things like
> > imaging and definition better because it gives the brain something to
> > perceive the music against, a neutral auditory backdrop against which
> > the sounds can stand out. It's sort of like the way the eye is
> better at
> > picking up form and size if an object is seen against a background that
> > can provide context.
>
> Nice idea. One problem: it's one of the many myths that began life as an
> idea put forth in a magazine column in the 1970s. Audio is rife with
> junk science, pseudoscience and outright nonsense that seems quite
> plausible.
>
> I've been researching spatial imaging in recorded music since 1977, and
> was a pioneer in satellite/subwoofer systems as one means of achieving
> excellent spatial imaging. (Proved to be a dead end).
>
> Spatial imaging is an auditory illusion created by the brain. It hears
> the sounds from the stereo pair, then attempts to make sense of things,
> can't -- then assumes that what it hears is not two different complex
> sounds coming from those two boxes you spent money on. No, the brain
> concludes it's a panorama of sounds spanning from left to right and from
> front to back.
>
> To create this auditory illusion the brain analyzes several phenomena,
> or "psychoacoustic cues," of the sounds and performs complex
> "calculations" to arrive at each instrument's position within the
> spatial image:
>
> 1. Loudness, intensity and pressure magnitude differences.
> 2. Arrival times.
> 3. Quality differences (frequency balance changes, waveshape changes,
> relative levels among different harmonics, diffraction effects created
> by your pinna and much more).
> 4. Phase and group delay differences.
> 5. Ratio of reveberant sound to direct sound.
>
> This is a gross over-simplification.
>
> The sucess to which a stereo creates a convincing spatial image
> depends on:
>
> 1. The number of, accuracy of, and fidelity of the requisite
> psyochoacoustic cues that are made present within the recording. This is
> the cause of the mulit-track versus "purist" stereo miking
> technique debate.
>
> 2. The absence of any distortions, noise, or other nonlinearities within
> the reproduce chain (speakers, amps, tape players, turntables, Cd
> players, &c.) that would obscure, degrade or alter the requisite
> psyochoacoustic cues present in the source recording. My Nakamichi
> cassette decks have been invaluable tools in my research into the
> mysteries of The Spatial Image and Man because of their excellent quality.
>
> Thus, the brain doesn't compare the recorded sound to random noise
> artifacts to enhance its ability to synthsize the sp[atial image. Quite
> the reverse; the more absent of noise and distortion a playback is, the
> more subtle the psychoacoustic cues that can be presented to the brain
> and the more vivid the spatial image you will enjoy.
>
> All of which is to say, in a complex way, that the proposition that the
> presence of noise or record ticks will aid the brain in its quest for a
> vivid spatial image is poppycock.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> N-Joy!
>
> --
> Kermit Gray
> Woods & Waters/KVG Labs
> 16371 Lake Point Drive
> Bonner Springs, KS 66012
> USA
> 816-918-5058 cellphone
> 913-422-0957 business
> http://www.woods-and-waters.com
>
>
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From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Dec 25 13:18:14 2004
From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:18:14 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  Special Christmas poem
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F14C916D64662C862BB1326ABA70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000c01c4ea7b$ce8de820$b3db4c51@oemcomputer>

For Fred and anyone else who resembles being a "Christmas loving secular
Jew."

"Roses are reddish
 Violets are bluish
 If it wasn't for Christmas
 We'd ALL be Jewish."

- Benny Hill




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 25 17:01:19 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:01:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dec 25th & Cassettes.....
Message-ID: <BAY23-F105A32CA295A3CD686035AABA70@phx.gbl>

My lovely friend Bleus!

I check at these webs; the price are nominally 3 times more expensive that 
here in Israel...with NO handling/Shipment...which will add more money to 
the final price product!

Now I see, that here those Fuji Z-2 90 minutes are cheaper here, that in US!

I only can "Bless" myself!

Cheers,

ALEX!



>From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <man626 at webtv.net>
>CC: naktalk at naks.com, nakchatt at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dec 25th & Cassettes.....
>Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:19:10 -0600
>
>
>Gerald, et al....
>
>Holiday Cheerz from snowy MadCity.
>
>You might find some of the nice Fuji cassettes here in the USA too.  Try 
>the (hey, hey) Bluez Broz website) at:
>
>http://adelcom.net/ctape.htm
>
>http://adelcom.net/FUJICassetteTape.htm
>
>Regards,
>
>K.J. Bleus
>Madison, Wisc USA
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:58:25 -0600
>From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Subject: [naktalk] Great to hear from You!
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Message-ID: <20683-41CC4AB1-9516 at storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
>Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
>
>These are some really excellent and informative posts here today! Nice
>to see something besides the usual tech talk about caps/resistors and
>idler mechanisms. Thanks to everyone because its one of the main reason
>i contribute to naktalk throughout the year.I would like to urge
>everyone to contribute as well in the spirit of this holiday season(very
>easily done with the paypal link) and lets all show Wouter how much we
>appreciate all the hard work and the excellent NAKtalk site!  A couple a
>questions 1) what is a ceramic C.D blank?  2) any reviews on the Fuji
>metal tape thats priced so reasonably?-I think Alex said the type 2 fuji
>was even better.I might consider picking up 100 of the metal fujis if i
>can get reasonable shipping to Texas,or if some kind Nakker would like
>to forward them to me ( and try 10 or 15 for him{or preferably HER}self).
>
>
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From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com  Sun Dec 26 22:50:23 2004
From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:50:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Noise reduction question and an interesting dragon on ebay
In-Reply-To: <000b01c4ea7a$f92b7120$b3db4c51@oemcomputer>
References: <41CC7940.6090904@woods-and-waters.com>
	<000b01c4ea7a$f92b7120$b3db4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20041226163645.01bf6f80@pop.mindspring.com>

Howdy all,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5740169356&rd=1

Could be interesting if more information was known, seller invites local 
folks to come and put it through its paces.....

Now, Aside from careful listening (what specifically should be listened 
for) and changing settings while monitoring the playback, is there a 
foolproof way to determine if an unlabeled  live recorded cassette was 
recorded with dolby b or c?

Also if anyone has any pointers/websites/equipment recommendations on using 
the pc as a digital recorder please respond offlist.

Last, does anybody know a source of the basf/emtec blank metal bias 
reference cassettes? I would love to get a hold of some.

Thanks,

Hope everyone enjoys the holidays.


Stanley



From salimarz at telkom.net  Mon Dec 27 18:40:09 2004
From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:40:09 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 fixed
References: <20041225204050.73112.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4ec3b$267bce10$6401a8c0@aisha>


Great Scott !  You did it again !

Btw, how did you spot a bad cap ... did it leak badly ?  Reminds me of adcom
pre with caps leaking allover causing shorts between inputs  (good reason to
get rock bottom bargain price).

And ... what STAX preamp ??  =)

Enjoy your new tuner !
SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 3:40 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ST-7 fixed


> I got my St-7 tuner working about a hour ago.  This is a good
> Christmas!
>
> I found one bad capacitor on Wednesday soon after it arrived, but,
> that wasn't the reason the display wouldn't come one.  Today while
> admiring the electronics I discovered another bad capacitor.  I cut
> it out and now it works.  I will replace the part later today.  It is
> a wonderful sounding tuner and will make a great addition to my Stax
> preamp and various Nak tape decks.
>
> Scott J.
>
>



From CKDawson at cableone.net  Mon Dec 27 01:11:20 2004
From: CKDawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:11:20 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassette quandry
Message-ID: <00b601c4eba8$97e029e0$6501a8c0@dell>

Hi All,

    I joined this forum just today because I couldn't seem to find any sort of information regarding quality of blank audio cassettes that are available today.

    I will be sending my NAK 600 in for an overhaul soon, and will need to specify the brand of tape I intend to use so the deck can be properly calibrated for it.

    I've seen several entries in the archive discussing the merits of several brands, some of which I've never seen. For reasons of availability, I'll stick to either Maxell or TDK tapes. 

    My question is - Has anyone used the Maxell MS or TDK SM "Studio" grade tapes? Is the shell construction or tape composition better enough to consider using either of these instead of the XLII or SA grades?

    I've been away from analog long enough that I thought I needed to ask these questions to folks who are still actively involved with home recording and playback. Given that I have a NAK too, this forum looked like just the place to do it.

    Thanks in advance for any responses I may receive!

Keith Dawson
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From flifton at mac.com  Mon Dec 27 09:12:04 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:12:04 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nose Reduction
In-Reply-To: <200412261100.iBQB0EPW023710@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200412261100.iBQB0EPW023710@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <FE96E818-57DE-11D9-B35E-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Thanks for the great reply, Kermit, Very interesting stuff. For the 
record, I agree with you but I thought my friend had made an 
interesting argument (which he came up with himself, as I'm quite sure 
he's never read any audio magazines). So, to keep playing devil's 
advocate, can't the background noise of tape hiss or what have you 
serve as one of the psychoacoustic cues in the sense that you write 
about?
Happy New Year,
Fred


On Dec 26, 2004, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

>
> From: "Kermit V. Gray" <graker at woods-and-waters.com>
> Date: December 24, 2004 12:17:04 PM PST
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nose Reduction
> Reply-To: graker at woods-and-waters.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette 
> Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
> Fred Lifton wrote:
>> However, a friend of mine had an interesting idea as we were having 
>> the old analog vs. digital debate. He posited that background noise 
>> (such as on old LP's or tape hiss) actually makes things like imaging 
>> and definition better because it gives the brain something to 
>> perceive the music against, a neutral auditory backdrop against which 
>> the sounds can stand out. It's sort of like the way the eye is better 
>> at picking up form and size if an object is seen against a background 
>> that can provide context.
>
> Nice idea. One problem: it's one of the many myths that began life as 
> an idea put forth in a magazine column in the 1970s. Audio is rife 
> with junk science, pseudoscience and outright nonsense that seems 
> quite plausible.
>
> I've been researching spatial imaging in recorded music since 1977, 
> and was a pioneer in satellite/subwoofer systems as one means of 
> achieving excellent spatial imaging. (Proved to be a dead end).
>
> Spatial imaging is an auditory illusion created by the brain. It hears 
> the sounds from the stereo pair, then attempts to make sense of 
> things, can't -- then assumes that what it hears is not two different 
> complex sounds coming from those two boxes you spent money on. No, the 
> brain concludes it's a panorama of sounds spanning from left to right 
> and from front to back.
>
> To create this auditory illusion the brain analyzes several phenomena, 
> or "psychoacoustic cues," of the sounds and performs complex 
> "calculations" to arrive at each instrument's position within the 
> spatial image:
>
> 1. Loudness, intensity and pressure magnitude differences.
> 2. Arrival times.
> 3. Quality differences (frequency balance changes, waveshape changes, 
> relative levels among different harmonics, diffraction effects created 
> by your pinna and much more).
> 4. Phase and group delay differences.
> 5. Ratio of reveberant sound to direct sound.
>
> This is a gross over-simplification.
>
> The sucess to which a stereo creates a convincing spatial image 
> depends on:
>
> 1. The number of, accuracy of, and fidelity of the requisite 
> psyochoacoustic cues that are made present within the recording. This 
> is the cause of the mulit-track versus "purist" stereo miking 
> technique debate.
>
> 2. The absence of any distortions, noise, or other nonlinearities 
> within the reproduce chain (speakers, amps, tape players, turntables, 
> Cd players, &c.) that would obscure, degrade or alter the requisite 
> psyochoacoustic cues present in the source recording. My Nakamichi 
> cassette decks have been invaluable tools in my research into the 
> mysteries of The Spatial Image and Man because of their excellent 
> quality.
>
> Thus, the brain doesn't compare the recorded sound to random noise 
> artifacts to enhance its ability to synthsize the sp[atial image. 
> Quite the reverse; the more absent of noise and distortion a playback 
> is, the more subtle the psychoacoustic cues that can be presented to 
> the brain and the more vivid the spatial image you will enjoy.
>
> All of which is to say, in a complex way, that the proposition that 
> the presence of noise or record ticks will aid the brain in its quest 
> for a vivid spatial image is poppycock.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> N-Joy!
>
> -- 
> Kermit Gray
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Dec 27 17:07:26 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (dgb100)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:07:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Idler wheel question
Message-ID: <41d0333e.180.68db3.4976@psulias.psu.edu>

Does the idler wheel problem affect only RR and FF, or does
it affect playing as well?


From britri at comcast.net  Mon Dec 27 22:46:49 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:46:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] For ALL UK Nak lovers...Breaking News!
References: <20041224072251.31887.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D082C9.5070004@comcast.net>

To which Sony player are you referring?

Happynewyear

Brian

Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
>           Quantegy is the new name for Ampex. And yes their GP9 tape was 
> a Scotch formulation. Brilliant tape that goes over 60+dB without any 
> dbx help! I think BASF is also rebranded itseld as EMTEC, although they 
> are in a financial rife now. Their 900 Maxima reel tape is good also, 
> together with their ceramic plated cd blanks. Usually when you buy the 
> 900 tape, you get two blanks free, which are made in germany btw :) Most 
> of the casette blanks from ampex and emtec didnt reach the south east 
> asian shores here. The hot items for the past two christmas has been 
> cheapo cd blanks in which people stuff mp3s to spin in their cheap mp3 
> cd walkmans. And of course, for those going the slightly high end, they 
> have those ipods and stuff. The people here seem to have all but written 
> off cassettes and even mini discs. The Sony player i have has a sound 
> quite close to an open reel, believe it or not!.
>  
> Bala
> george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     Isn't Quantegy the new name for Ampex ? Or was it Memorex ?
> 
>     George
> 
> 
>     On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:45:04 -0500, Richard L. Hess
>     wrote:
>      > At 12:37 PM 12/23/2004 +0000, Nelson wrote:
>      >
>      > >While on the site I also noticed a brand I'd never heard of before:
>      > >Quantengy.
>      > Quantegy ( www.quantegy.com ) is now the only major player in
>     professional
>      > reel tape media. They were originally ORRadio and then were
>     bought by Ampex
>      > then spun off and then acquired the 3M audio tape line (GP9 is a 3M
>      > formulation, not Ampex).
>      >
>      > That said, who knows where their cassettes are made. If they
>     don't say
>      > "Made in U.S.A." then they're just rebranded something else. I
>     don't think
>      > Quantegy has any owned off-shore plants.
>      >
>      > Richard
>      > Aurora, Ontario
>      > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/
>      >
>      >
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From ti at amb.org  Mon Dec 27 23:54:01 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:54:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Idler wheel question
In-Reply-To: <41d0333e.180.68db3.4976@psulias.psu.edu> from "dgb100" at Dec 27,
	2004 11:07:26 AM
Message-ID: <20041227225401.A835217DB1@smtp.amb.org>

dgb100 writes:
> Does the idler wheel problem affect only RR and FF, or does
> it affect playing as well?

An idler problem can affect playback too, sometimes to a lesser degree
because it's spinning at a slower speed than in ff/rew modes, and also
due to the fact that the capstan/pinch roller is feeding the tape into
the take-up reel, reducing the torque load on the reel drive motor.

If the idler is worn badly, it will no longer turn the take-up reel
which will cause the tape to collect and bunch up inside the cassette
shell, or become wrapped up on the pinch roller and damaging the tape
if the auto-stop mechanism doesn't trigger immediately.

-Ti
-- 
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Vorsprung durch Technik



From martinferreira at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 28 03:16:32 2004
From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:16:32 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi parts
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From graker at woods-and-waters.com  Tue Dec 28 02:48:33 2004
From: graker at woods-and-waters.com (Kermit V. Gray)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:48:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] No(i)se Reduction
In-Reply-To: <FE96E818-57DE-11D9-B35E-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
References: <200412261100.iBQB0EPW023710@zebra.naks.com>
	<FE96E818-57DE-11D9-B35E-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41D0BB71.3080203@woods-and-waters.com>

Hi Fred,

Fred Lifton wrote:
> Thanks for the great reply, Kermit, Very interesting stuff. For the 
> record, I agree with you but I thought my friend had made an interesting 
> argument (which he came up with himself, as I'm quite sure he's never 
> read any audio magazines). So, to keep playing devil's advocate, can't 
> the background noise of tape hiss or what have you serve as one of the 
> psychoacoustic cues in the sense that you write about?

No, because it is only noise -- and contains no positional information 
because it is not correlated in any way to the subject sounds or 
instruments that the brain is trying to find the position of. (Never end 
a sentence in a preposition.) Noise is random in character and therefore 
unrelated to the sounds in the recording. Noise only masks, obscures or 
covers other sounds, especially the psychoacoustic cues needed for the 
brain to localize sounds.

Interestingly, the noise spectrum of a Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 700, or 
1000 is "shaped" (distributed with regard to frequency as a function of 
amplitude) such that the ear perceives the deck as being quieter than it 
actually measures. My Nakamichi 550, which measures as -60 dB signal to 
noise ratio with Dolby B on, Chrome Tape, actually sounds quieter than 
my Onkyo TA-RW11, which measures -65 dB under the same circumstances!

Another reason I'm so passionate about my Nakamichis!

Hope this helps!

-- 
Kermit Gray
Woods & Waters/KVG Labs
16371 Lake Point Drive
Bonner Springs, KS 66012
USA
816-918-5058 cellphone
913-422-0957 business
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 28 04:23:23 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:23:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassette quandry
Message-ID: <BAY23-F377C028BCCFE91097E9DA9AB9A0@phx.gbl>

Hi Keith!

Before you give your 600 to any services, take look where you live, which 
brand/type of cassettes can you obtain in quantity, buy at least 2 or 3 
boxes of them..., take from the first box two of them and together with your 
defective 600 go to the "Doctor:... so he will calibrated after the 
reparation your 600 100% suitable for the brand cassettes that you acquired.

I hope that this will solution your problem!

Have a nice 2005 year!

Regards,

ALEX!



>From: "Keith Dawson" <CKDawson at cableone.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassette quandry
>Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:11:20 -0800
>
>Hi All,
>
>     I joined this forum just today because I couldn't seem to find any 
>sort of information regarding quality of blank audio cassettes that are 
>available today.
>
>     I will be sending my NAK 600 in for an overhaul soon, and will need to 
>specify the brand of tape I intend to use so the deck can be properly 
>calibrated for it.
>
>     I've seen several entries in the archive discussing the merits of 
>several brands, some of which I've never seen. For reasons of availability, 
>I'll stick to either Maxell or TDK tapes.
>
>     My question is - Has anyone used the Maxell MS or TDK SM "Studio" 
>grade tapes? Is the shell construction or tape composition better enough to 
>consider using either of these instead of the XLII or SA grades?
>
>     I've been away from analog long enough that I thought I needed to ask 
>these questions to folks who are still actively involved with home 
>recording and playback. Given that I have a NAK too, this forum looked like 
>just the place to do it.
>
>     Thanks in advance for any responses I may receive!
>
>Keith Dawson
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 28 15:59:22 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:59:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] For ALL UK Nak lovers...Breaking News!
In-Reply-To: <41D082C9.5070004@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20041228145922.42156.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com>

Sony Minidisc player.  MDS JA 555 ES. 
 
Bala

Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net> wrote:
To which Sony player are you referring?

Happynewyear

Brian

Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Quantegy is the new name for Ampex. And yes their GP9 tape was 
> a Scotch formulation. Brilliant tape that goes over 60+dB without any 
> dbx help! I think BASF is also rebranded itseld as EMTEC, although they 
> are in a financial rife now. Their 900 Maxima reel tape is good also, 
> together with their ceramic plated cd blanks. Usually when you buy the 
> 900 tape, you get two blanks free, which are made in germany btw :) Most 
> of the casette blanks from ampex and emtec didnt reach the south east 
> asian shores here. The hot items for the past two christmas has been 
> cheapo cd blanks in which people stuff mp3s to spin in their cheap mp3 
> cd walkmans. And of course, for those going the slightly high end, they 
> have those ipods and stuff. The people here seem to have all but written 
> off cassettes and even mini discs. The Sony player i have has a sound 
> quite close to an open reel, believe it or not!.
> 
> Bala
> george valkov wrote:
> 
> Isn't Quantegy the new name for Ampex ? Or was it Memorex ?
> 
> George
> 
> 
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:45:04 -0500, Richard L. Hess
> wrote:
> > At 12:37 PM 12/23/2004 +0000, Nelson wrote:
> >
> > >While on the site I also noticed a brand I'd never heard of before:
> > >Quantengy.
> > Quantegy ( www.quantegy.com ) is now the only major player in
> professional
> > reel tape media. They were originally ORRadio and then were
> bought by Ampex
> > then spun off and then acquired the 3M audio tape line (GP9 is a 3M
> > formulation, not Ampex).
> >
> > That said, who knows where their cassettes are made. If they
> don't say
> > "Made in U.S.A." then they're just rebranded something else. I
> don't think
> > Quantegy has any owned off-shore plants.
> >
> > Richard
> > Aurora, Ontario
> > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/
> >
> >
> >
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From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com  Tue Dec 28 20:20:52 2004
From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:20:52 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] My ZX7 doesn't! record!
Message-ID: <OLEEKILPGNFGIGJCMCDMKEJMCBAA.cmmarsh@ntlworld.com>

I've subscribed to Naktalk today because I need advice!   I got myself a ZX7
a few weeks ago , all seemed OK, playback was great!  recording the same, no
unusual noises, and the Azimuth and bias setting all worked fine, untill
today that is.   While in "record" the record pause lamp came on and the
tape although still travelling, stopped recording.  The erase is not
functioning but bias is being applied to the record head.  It is now not
possible to use the azimuth adjust or bias/level calibration. and whenever I
go into record the machine illuminates the record pause lamp but doesnt
pause the tape movement.  I have no intention of repairing this deck myself
(or even removing the cover!) and I have had advice pointing me to Bowers
and Wilkins ( I am in the UK ).
What I want to ask is this:  Will it be worth repairing a ZX7? or is it for
the bin?   Do any you Brits reading Naktalk know of Bowers and Wilkins
reputation?  or can you reccomend a repairer in the South of England (or
Norhtern France even)?  It would also help if I have some idea what is wrong
with the ZX7 so as not to look a complete idiot!,  any ideas?
For information, I got the ZX7 to use as a playback machine (with a little
recording now and then!),  I own a Dragon that my father brought new in 1991
and although it was never used by him,  I had it serviced in Germany last
year, it has been getting some heavy usage as late!!   I was hoping the ZX7
would give it a rest! The playback and recording capabilities of the ZX7
were (to me!) as good as the Dragons.  I have one other option and that is
to buy a CR4E at a decent price locally.  I dont want to give myself more
headaches!  Is this machine any good?
Can I ask one more question?    I own and use a Aiwa proffessional deck -
XK009 Excelia.  this uses DBX noise reduction  and is supurb!!!  I also have
an external DBX unit that I can use with the Naks.  how do you guys rate
DBX?  I only record for my own use.  I dont use Dolby b or c! it adds to
much!  I just put up with the lower S/N ratio!
Thanks for your help,  and a happy new year to you all!
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From trenthaynes at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 29 01:15:33 2004
From: trenthaynes at yahoo.com (Trent Haynes)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:15:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2
Message-ID: <20041229001533.42187.qmail@web81109.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I've been attempting to do some research on an old
tape deck I've got - a Nak MR-2.

Allow me to elaborate a bit...

I used it for years, until probably the mid-90's when
it was replaced with a Nak CD player.  It's been on my
shelf since then.  Fast-forward to today; I'm recently
married and cleaning out my backroom.  I'm trying to
figure out if the MR-2 is "vintage" or just old or has
some other use.

My wife originally put it on the Goodwill pile, but I
thought I'd do some research first.  Any information
would be very helpful.

Thanks,
Trent Haynes

PS - I hope this isn't bad form or anything, but this
is about the only information link I've come across so far.

=====
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Dec 29 09:04:38 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:04:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] MDS JA 555 ES
Message-ID: <s1d28599.084@mroute.sunint.co.za>

In my humble opinion, the '555 is the best minideck deck in existence. 
Perfect examples are well worth buying.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 12/28/04 04:59PM >>>
Sony Minidisc player.  MDS JA 555 ES. 
 
Bala

Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net> wrote:
To which Sony player are you referring?

Happynewyear

Brian

Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Quantegy is the new name for Ampex. And yes their GP9 tape was 
> a Scotch formulation. Brilliant tape that goes over 60+dB without any

> dbx help! I think BASF is also rebranded itseld as EMTEC, although
they 
> are in a financial rife now. Their 900 Maxima reel tape is good also,

> together with their ceramic plated cd blanks. Usually when you buy
the 
> 900 tape, you get two blanks free, which are made in germany btw :)
Most 
> of the casette blanks from ampex and emtec didnt reach the south east

> asian shores here. The hot items for the past two christmas has been

> cheapo cd blanks in which people stuff mp3s to spin in their cheap
mp3 
> cd walkmans. And of course, for those going the slightly high end,
they 
> have those ipods and stuff. The people here seem to have all but
written 
> off cassettes and even mini discs. The Sony player i have has a sound

> quite close to an open reel, believe it or not!.
> 
> Bala
> george valkov wrote:
> 
> Isn't Quantegy the new name for Ampex ? Or was it Memorex ?
> 
> George
> 
> 
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:45:04 -0500, Richard L. Hess
> wrote:
> > At 12:37 PM 12/23/2004 +0000, Nelson wrote:
> >
> > >While on the site I also noticed a brand I'd never heard of
before:
> > >Quantengy.
> > Quantegy ( www.quantegy.com ) is now the only major player in
> professional
> > reel tape media. They were originally ORRadio and then were
> bought by Ampex
> > then spun off and then acquired the 3M audio tape line (GP9 is a
3M
> > formulation, not Ampex).
> >
> > That said, who knows where their cassettes are made. If they
> don't say
> > "Made in U.S.A." then they're just rebranded something else. I
> don't think
> > Quantegy has any owned off-shore plants.
> >
> > Richard
> > Aurora, Ontario
> > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ 
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Dec 29 21:06:33 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:06:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2
References: <20041229001533.42187.qmail@web81109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c4ede1$e53d7090$03773242@CopyTech>

The MR-2 was designed as a Real Time duplication deck. It is a 2 head 
machine, not so popular and you can find it very cheap today. I sold 4 last 
year in this same list @ $50.00 ea.

Recording quality is only good and it is not a deck that I would swear for.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Trent Haynes" <trenthaynes at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2


> Hi all,
>
> I've been attempting to do some research on an old
> tape deck I've got - a Nak MR-2.
>
> Allow me to elaborate a bit...
>
> I used it for years, until probably the mid-90's when
> it was replaced with a Nak CD player.  It's been on my
> shelf since then.  Fast-forward to today; I'm recently
> married and cleaning out my backroom.  I'm trying to
> figure out if the MR-2 is "vintage" or just old or has
> some other use.
>
> My wife originally put it on the Goodwill pile, but I
> thought I'd do some research first.  Any information
> would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> Trent Haynes
>
> PS - I hope this isn't bad form or anything, but this
> is about the only information link I've come across so far.
>
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 29 17:49:09 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:49:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Spare CR2 Mechanism with gear drive available for
	converting your BX or RX series
Message-ID: <20041229164909.85160.qmail@web52407.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi guys 
I have a CR2 mechanism complete with gear drive motor/ gears ( not suitable for CR 7A as it requires second spool gear with reflector at the back) and capstan motor / mode cam motor etc. Persons interested to contact me off list. If anybody wants me to convert their BX 300 - I can do that as well - rquire a bit of time. 
thanks for reading this.
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Dec 30 03:25:38 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:25:38 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] My ZX7 doesn't! record!
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7DA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I think you should get the unit repaired. I own the ZX9 and the same thing
happened, it turned out to be 2 capacitors in the erase bias circuit, about
2 dollars worth of parts.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Marsh [mailto:cmmarsh at ntlworld.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 6:21
To: naktalk
Subject: [naktalk] My ZX7 doesn't! record!


I've subscribed to Naktalk today because I need advice!   I got myself a ZX7
a few weeks ago , all seemed OK, playback was great!  recording the same, no
unusual noises, and the Azimuth and bias setting all worked fine, untill
today that is.   While in "record" the record pause lamp came on and the
tape although still travelling, stopped recording.  The erase is not
functioning but bias is being applied to the record head.  It is now not
possible to use the azimuth adjust or bias/level calibration. and whenever I
go into record the machine illuminates the record pause lamp but doesnt
pause the tape movement.  I have no intention of repairing this deck myself
(or even removing the cover!) and I have had advice pointing me to Bowers
and Wilkins ( I am in the UK ).   
What I want to ask is this:  Will it be worth repairing a ZX7? or is it for
the bin?   Do any you Brits reading Naktalk know of Bowers and Wilkins
reputation?  or can you reccomend a repairer in the South of England (or
Norhtern France even)?  It would also help if I have some idea what is wrong
with the ZX7 so as not to look a complete idiot!,  any ideas?   
For information, I got the ZX7 to use as a playback machine (with a little
recording now and then!),  I own a Dragon that my father brought new in 1991
and although it was never used by him,  I had it serviced in Germany last
year, it has been getting some heavy usage as late!!   I was hoping the ZX7
would give it a rest! The playback and recording capabilities of the ZX7
were (to me!) as good as the Dragons.  I have one other option and that is
to buy a CR4E at a decent price locally.  I dont want to give myself more
headaches!  Is this machine any good?
Can I ask one more question?    I own and use a Aiwa proffessional deck -
XK009 Excelia.  this uses DBX noise reduction  and is supurb!!!  I also have
an external DBX unit that I can use with the Naks.  how do you guys rate
DBX?  I only record for my own use.  I dont use Dolby b or c! it adds to
much!  I just put up with the lower S/N ratio!  
Thanks for your help,  and a happy new year to you all!     

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Dec 29 02:52:34 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:52:34 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] My ZX7 doesn't! record!
In-Reply-To: <OLEEKILPGNFGIGJCMCDMKEJMCBAA.cmmarsh@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c4ed49$117cbec0$7dc74c51@oemcomputer>

Colin

I just got my ZX-9 back from B&W, from a service and repair.  They did
excellent work and very quickly, too.  Labour costs were £100 and parts on
top were very reasonable (esp. compared with what some of the guys have to
pay in the US ...  I have no hesitation in recommending them to you.

More advice ... don't rest the Dragon - the worst thing you can do to any
tape deck )not least a Nak') is not use it.  They need using to prevent
deterioration of some parts and to keep the moving bits lubricated and not
seizing up.  Personally, I'd be tempted to record with the ZX-7 and play
back with the Dragon as the latter is probably the finest playback machine
of the Nak lineage save because of the auto azimuth correction.

I'll pass on advice with the DBX noise reduction - never used one although I
do occasionally press into service a DBX 3BX expander.

Best of luck with the ZX-7

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Colin Marsh
  Sent: 28 December 2004 19:21
  To: naktalk
  Subject: [naktalk] My ZX7 doesn't! record!


  I've subscribed to Naktalk today because I need advice!   I got myself a
ZX7 a few weeks ago , all seemed OK, playback was great!  recording the
same, no unusual noises, and the Azimuth and bias setting all worked fine,
untill today that is.   While in "record" the record pause lamp came on and
the tape although still travelling, stopped recording.  The erase is not
functioning but bias is being applied to the record head.  It is now not
possible to use the azimuth adjust or bias/level calibration. and whenever I
go into record the machine illuminates the record pause lamp but doesnt
pause the tape movement.  I have no intention of repairing this deck myself
(or even removing the cover!) and I have had advice pointing me to Bowers
and Wilkins ( I am in the UK ).
  What I want to ask is this:  Will it be worth repairing a ZX7? or is it
for the bin?   Do any you Brits reading Naktalk know of Bowers and Wilkins
reputation?  or can you reccomend a repairer in the South of England (or
Norhtern France even)?  It would also help if I have some idea what is wrong
with the ZX7 so as not to look a complete idiot!,  any ideas?
  For information, I got the ZX7 to use as a playback machine (with a little
recording now and then!),  I own a Dragon that my father brought new in 1991
and although it was never used by him,  I had it serviced in Germany last
year, it has been getting some heavy usage as late!!   I was hoping the ZX7
would give it a rest! The playback and recording capabilities of the ZX7
were (to me!) as good as the Dragons.  I have one other option and that is
to buy a CR4E at a decent price locally.  I dont want to give myself more
headaches!  Is this machine any good?
  Can I ask one more question?    I own and use a Aiwa proffessional deck -
XK009 Excelia.  this uses DBX noise reduction  and is supurb!!!  I also have
an external DBX unit that I can use with the Naks.  how do you guys rate
DBX?  I only record for my own use.  I dont use Dolby b or c! it adds to
much!  I just put up with the lower S/N ratio!
  Thanks for your help,  and a happy new year to you all!
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From man626 at webtv.net  Wed Dec 29 03:20:28 2004
From: man626 at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:20:28 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Tragedy in Asia
Message-ID: <28087-41D2146C-866@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>

i wish to extend a sincere hope that none of our good friends were hurt
in the terrible Tsunami targedy.Its applling to think that over a dozen
countries on two continents were affected and that there are 40,000 dead
at last count.Of course we take our interests seriously,but nothing is
as serious as this and i dont think its off topic to ask some of you to
let us know how you are doing,Thanks



From flifton at mac.com  Wed Dec 29 04:12:14 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:12:14 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] OT: re: No(i)se Reduction
In-Reply-To: <200412281100.iBSB0HPW029766@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200412281100.iBSB0HPW029766@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <704B6EC2-5947-11D9-A46A-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

I gotta laugh at that typo. Especially as a well-schnozzled secular jew 
who could arguably use a nose reduction (and maybe noise reduction as 
some members of this list no doubt feel).

Have a happy and peaceful New Year, nakkers.

Fred Lifton (Lifschitz before granpa got off the boat.)



From karakapas at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 29 07:42:18 2004
From: karakapas at hotmail.com (ng ben)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:42:18 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 5500
Message-ID: <BAY16-F201390A65805329D21C577BE9B0@phx.gbl>

Having got a BX300, I am now looking for a Naks LX5 which seem hard to come 
by.   Want the LX5 both for its classic drive/sound and its silver faceplate 
which compliments my present amp/cd.

Meanwhile, came across a B&O Beocord 5500 tape deck.   Looks neat with its 
silver faceplate and slender slide and disappear cassette loading tray.    
Looked it up but cannot find detailed specification on mechanics eg. number 
of heads, motors, single/dual capstan, pad lifters (if any), bias/azimuth 
controls, belt or direct driven, etc.    B&O's site does give information on 
its capabilities eg. auto-reverse (even when recording which is 
interesting), auto-level control & HX Pro.   MSRP 10 years ago was about 
$1000.   Saw one for $120.      Wonder if any Nakers out there have made a 
A/B comparison on a B&O vs Nak - would be interesting to know which Nak.   I 
recall a thread on "the best cassette deck ever made" here on Naktalk, where 
a sole response rated the Beocord 9000 betters the Dragon(!).    Always 
wondered by what measure of record or playback capability (technical or 
sonically) the writer was making the judgement.

Anyone with views on the Beocord 5500 tape deck or any model eg. 6500, 7000, 
8000 and 9000?   Ben

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From erie at shelbyvilledesign.com  Wed Dec 29 20:17:31 2004
From: erie at shelbyvilledesign.com (erie)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:17:31 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2
In-Reply-To: <001001c4ede1$e53d7090$03773242@CopyTech>
References: <20041229001533.42187.qmail@web81109.mail.yahoo.com>
	<001001c4ede1$e53d7090$03773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <41D302CB.1060708@shelbyvilledesign.com>

Trent, goodwill pile is over here....
(pointing to desk next to him...)

erie

El Magnifico wrote:

> The MR-2 was designed as a Real Time duplication deck. It is a 2 head 
> machine, not so popular and you can find it very cheap today. I sold 4 
> last year in this same list @ $50.00 ea.
>
> Recording quality is only good and it is not a deck that I would swear 
> for.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trent Haynes" <trenthaynes at yahoo.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:15 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] MR-2
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been attempting to do some research on an old
>> tape deck I've got - a Nak MR-2.
>>
>> Allow me to elaborate a bit...
>>
>> I used it for years, until probably the mid-90's when
>> it was replaced with a Nak CD player.  It's been on my
>> shelf since then.  Fast-forward to today; I'm recently
>> married and cleaning out my backroom.  I'm trying to
>> figure out if the MR-2 is "vintage" or just old or has
>> some other use.
>>
>> My wife originally put it on the Goodwill pile, but I
>> thought I'd do some research first.  Any information
>> would be very helpful.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Trent Haynes
>>
>> PS - I hope this isn't bad form or anything, but this
>> is about the only information link I've come across so far.
>>
>> =====
>> The Truth
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 
>>
>>          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 
>>
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>>
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From ktl at bornet.net  Thu Dec 30 01:47:43 2004
From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:47:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-DAV7D53BD4BD247894B47B3AABA50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAluSn7JHVyUuKseEZdXamkMKAAAAQAAAAN7e9yhjsjkue+qzpZoLUjwEAAAAA@bornet.net>

Got some manuals up, for download now.
The page-layot might change, since I'm testing various CMS's.
Anyway enjoy, downloading.

www.naks.mine.nu

With best regards

Tomas Larsson
Sweden

Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Cozac
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:46 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals


Hi Thomas!

Also I own a BX TZS car...always repairing...I'm tired of this!

Nice 2005 New Year!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tomas Larsson" <ktl at bornet.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals


> Well, I haven't hadf time to put it up yet, it's a copy of my private
> site,
> deals mostly with Citroen XM car.
> Everything will hopefully be finished over the weekend.
>
> With best regards
>
> Tomas Larsson
> Sweden
>
> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On 
> Behalf Of JVB/RHG
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:44 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>
>
> Perhaps a translation please, Tomas.
>
> Randall in Seattle, USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tomas Larsson" <ktl at bornet.net>
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>
>
>> Why Not??
>> Me Myself, is looking for, at least a schematic, for a Hitachi HA5700 
>> amplifier, manufactured in the middle of the 70's.
>>
>> With best regards
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>> Sweden
>>
>> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra
>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:35 PM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>>
>>
>> Hi Tom, and the rest,
>>
>>        Are non Nak, user and service manuals welcome?
>>
>> Bala
>> --- Tomas Larsson <ktl at bornet.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I am Starting a web-site dedicated to firstly our
>> > NAK's, but also anything
>> > else.
>> > This site is pure technical, with service-manuals
>> > etc only, no forums, no
>> > pop-ups nothing else actually, no commercial either.
>> > I do have unlimited
>> > space, just a matter how large HD's I fit.
>> >
>> > I'm setting up a FTP-server for uploads as well, now
>> > this will take some
>> > time to sort out, but consider it as a christmas
>> > present.
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>> > www.naks.mine.nu
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>> > In the mean time feel free to upload whatever you
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>> > I can safely handle up to 5 meg attachements, one
>> > each 5 minutes or so.
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From martinferreira at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 30 06:02:28 2004
From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:02:28 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Spare CR2 Mechanism with gear drive available
	forconverting your BX or RX series
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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 30 06:03:43 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:03:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] TDK or Maxell,Who came first with a blank cassette?
Message-ID: <20041230050343.51133.qmail@web40628.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know who came out with a blank compact
cassette first,Maxell or TDK?I know TDK is a older
company than Maxell but was just curious as to who
introduced the first blank cassette of these two
company's?Thanks for any insight..Keith.


		
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From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:07:43 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] My ZX7 doesn't! record!
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 30 12:46:48 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:46:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Spare CR2 Mechanism with gear drive available
	forconverting your BX or RX series
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Hi Martin 
 this mechanism contains control motor as well. I do not have the base motherboard ( all are in San Jose with my brother) to test but think that it works. I will wait and see whether anybody requires the whole stuff or only gear drive parts without the control motor. Do you really know how to replace the control motor? ?
few days or take the whole mechanism if you wish
wait 
kannan
martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote:

do you have a control motor for the CR2?

Martin




>From: kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> 
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> 
>To: Nak Cassette Deck list <naktalk at naks.com> 
>Subject: [naktalk] Spare CR2 Mechanism with gear drive available forconverting your BX or RX series 
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:49:09 -0800 (PST) 
> 
>Hi guys 
>I have a CR2 mechanism complete with gear drive motor/ gears ( not suitable for CR 7A as it requires second spool gear with reflector at the back) and capstan motor / mode cam motor etc. Persons interested to contact me off list. If anybody wants me to convert their BX 300 - I can do that as well - rquire a bit of time. 
>thanks for reading this. 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Dec 30 13:20:13 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:20:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OT: re: No(i)se Reduction
Message-ID: <s1d40eb1.005@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Fred,

That sure was hilarious (from a goy, but with a fair sized proboscus in
any case) - heck those immigration officials at New York all those years
back sure economised on their penwork!!  Or perhaps bad hearing and
great imaginations!!

Have a splendid New Year!!

Marc

>>> flifton at mac.com 12/29/04 05:12AM >>>
I gotta laugh at that typo. Especially as a well-schnozzled secular jew

who could arguably use a nose reduction (and maybe noise reduction as 
some members of this list no doubt feel).

Have a happy and peaceful New Year, nakkers.

Fred Lifton (Lifschitz before granpa got off the boat.)

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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Dec 30 12:34:06 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:34:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7C2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <00d401c4ee63$7bda8cf0$1510a8c0@TG>

Has anyone seen that before ;

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&rd=1

Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Dec 30 13:25:13 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:25:13 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Tragedy in Asia
In-Reply-To: <28087-41D2146C-866@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <005e01c4ee6a$9c59ee60$93ee4c51@oemcomputer>

I'll second that, Gerald.

I checked with Salim a few days ago - he's okay.

An hour BEFORE the news broke, one of the guys I know on another audio site
was complaining about being stuck in the Northern Hemisphere Winter because
he'd been stubborn and refused an offer just too high from Quantas for a
trip to Asia.  It turned out his stubbornness saved him from taking a beach
house on Phi Phi where he would almost certainly have drowned!

Speaking very personally, I'd say that, given this happened on Boxing Day,
God's timing is cr#p.

Gra'



> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 29 December 2004 02:20
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Tragedy in Asia
>
>
> i wish to extend a sincere hope that none of our good friends were hurt
> in the terrible Tsunami targedy.Its applling to think that over a dozen
> countries on two continents were affected and that there are 40,000 dead
> at last count.Of course we take our interests seriously,but nothing is
> as serious as this and i dont think its off topic to ask some of you to
> let us know how you are doing,Thanks
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Dec 30 12:57:36 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:57:36 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] My ZX7 doesn't! record!  FAO Martin & Colin
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Message-ID: <005301c4ee66$c1294a00$93ee4c51@oemcomputer>

Bowers and Wilkins
Littlehampton Road,
Worthing,
West Sussex,
BN13 1QA,
UK
Tel:  +44 01903 264 141
info at classic-nakamichi.com

http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/home/index.htm

These people are the official Nakamichi Service centre for most of Europe, I
believe.

Graham

  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of martinferreira at hotmail.com
  Sent: 30 December 2004 05:08
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] My ZX7 doesn't! record!


  Hi Colin

  If you know find out where to send  your Nakamichi deck for repair in
Europe, please let me know.

  Make sure, however, that they can obtain parts and/or recondition them if
new ones are unavailable.

  Regards

  Martin



  >From: "Colin Marsh" <cmmarsh at ntlworld.com>
  >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
  >To: "naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
  >Subject: [naktalk] My ZX7 doesn't! record!
  >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:20:52 -0000
  >
  >I've subscribed to Naktalk today because I need advice!   I got myself a
ZX7
  >a few weeks ago , all seemed OK, playback was great!  recording the same,
no
  >unusual noises, and the Azimuth and bias setting all worked fine, untill
  >today that is.   While in "record" the record pause lamp came on and the
  >tape although still travelling, stopped recording.  The erase is not
  >functioning but bias is being applied to the record head.  It is now not
  >possible to use the azimuth adjust or bias/level calibration. and
whenever I
  >go into record the machine illuminates the record pause lamp but doesnt
  >pause the tape movement.  I have no intention of repairing this deck
myself
  >(or even removing the cover!) and I have had advice pointing me to Bowers
  >and Wilkins ( I am in the UK ).
  >What I want to ask is this:  Will it be worth repairing a ZX7? or is it
for
  >the bin?   Do any you Brits reading Naktalk know of Bowers and Wilkins
  >reputation?  or can you reccomend a repairer in the South of England (or
  >Norhtern France even)?  It would also help if I have some idea what is
wrong
  >with the ZX7 so as not to look a complete idiot!,  any ideas?
  >For information, I got the ZX7 to use as a playback machine (with a
little
  >recording now and then!),  I own a Dragon that my father brought new in
1991
  >and although it was never used by him,  I had it serviced in Germany last
  >year, it has been getting some heavy usage as late!!   I was hoping the
ZX7
  >would give it a rest! The playback and recording capabilities of the ZX7
  >were (to me!) as good as the Dragons.  I have one other option and that
is
  >to buy a CR4E at a decent price locally.  I dont want to give myself more
  >headaches!  Is this machine any good?
  >Can I ask one more question?    I own and use a Aiwa proffessional deck -
  >XK009 Excelia.  this uses DBX noise reduction  and is supurb!!!  I also
have
  >an external DBX unit that I can use with the Naks.  how do you guys rate
  >DBX?  I only record for my own use.  I dont use Dolby b or c! it adds to
  >much!  I just put up with the lower S/N ratio!
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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Thu Dec 30 13:22:34 2004
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:22:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAluSn7JHVyUuKseEZdXamkMKAAAAQAAAAN7e9yhjsjkue+qzpZoLUjwEAAAAA@bornet.net>
Message-ID: <000901c4ee6a$3e797db0$48f66391@mach1>

Hi Thomas and hi Naktalkers,

i have most of the scanned manuals here on cd. If i could help you  to 
upload these manuals to your server would you please give me a secure shell 
account ?

Regards Norman

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From: "Tomas Larsson" <ktl at bornet.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 1:47 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals


> Got some manuals up, for download now.
> The page-layot might change, since I'm testing various CMS's.
> Anyway enjoy, downloading.
>
> www.naks.mine.nu
>
> With best regards
>
> Tomas Larsson
> Sweden
>
> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Alex Cozac
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:46 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>
>
> Hi Thomas!
>
> Also I own a BX TZS car...always repairing...I'm tired of this!
>
> Nice 2005 New Year!
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tomas Larsson" <ktl at bornet.net>
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 8:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>
>
>> Well, I haven't hadf time to put it up yet, it's a copy of my private
>> site,
>> deals mostly with Citroen XM car.
>> Everything will hopefully be finished over the weekend.
>>
>> With best regards
>>
>> Tomas Larsson
>> Sweden
>>
>> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
>> Behalf Of JVB/RHG
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:44 AM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>>
>>
>> Perhaps a translation please, Tomas.
>>
>> Randall in Seattle, USA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tomas Larsson" <ktl at bornet.net>
>> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:47 AM
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>>
>>
>>> Why Not??
>>> Me Myself, is looking for, at least a schematic, for a Hitachi HA5700
>>> amplifier, manufactured in the middle of the 70's.
>>>
>>> With best regards
>>>
>>> Tomas Larsson
>>> Sweden
>>>
>>> Verus Amicum Est Tamquam Alter Idem
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra
>>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:35 PM
>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Manuals
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Tom, and the rest,
>>>
>>>        Are non Nak, user and service manuals welcome?
>>>
>>> Bala
>>> --- Tomas Larsson <ktl at bornet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I am Starting a web-site dedicated to firstly our
>>> > NAK's, but also anything
>>> > else.
>>> > This site is pure technical, with service-manuals
>>> > etc only, no forums, no
>>> > pop-ups nothing else actually, no commercial either.
>>> > I do have unlimited
>>> > space, just a matter how large HD's I fit.
>>> >
>>> > I'm setting up a FTP-server for uploads as well, now
>>> > this will take some
>>> > time to sort out, but consider it as a christmas
>>> > present.
>>> >
>>> > www.naks.mine.nu
>>> > http://naks.mine.nu
>>> >
>>> > In the mean time feel free to upload whatever you
>>> > have to me on my
>>> > mail-account.
>>> > I can safely handle up to 5 meg attachements, one
>>> > each 5 minutes or so.
>>> >
>>> > With best regards
>>> >
>>> > Tomas Larsson
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Thu Dec 30 14:30:28 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
In-Reply-To: <00d401c4ee63$7bda8cf0$1510a8c0@TG>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEPLCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture, CONVERTIBLE
[or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)

Stan

[Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Tayfur Gunay
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series


  Has anyone seen that before ;


http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&
rd=1

  Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))

  Cheers,

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From george.valkov at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 21:13:08 2004
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:13:08 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEPLCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <00d401c4ee63$7bda8cf0$1510a8c0@TG>
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Message-ID: <518b7b104123012132156db14@mail.gmail.com>

To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold without
the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
without any guarantee that all functions are operational.

George
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
<stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
> Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture, CONVERTIBLE
> [or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
>  
> Stan
> 
> [Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
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> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone seen that before ;
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&rd=1
> 
> Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tayfur
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From martinferreira at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 30 21:03:05 2004
From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:03:05 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Spare CR2 Mechanism with gear drive
	availableforconverting your BX or RX series
In-Reply-To: <20041230114648.12089.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>
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From salimarz at telkom.net  Thu Dec 30 21:15:54 2004
From: salimarz at telkom.net (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:15:54 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Tragedy in Asia
References: <005e01c4ee6a$9c59ee60$93ee4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002801c4eeac$65883f30$6401a8c0@aisha>


Thanks guys, Graham, Gerald !

Still doing fine here, at least until those tremors move further down south
....  It really is a terrible tragedy and sad fact to see how vulnerable we
are, being washed away just like ants in a matter of minutes.  Simply the
worst 'natural selection' I've ever seen.

SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tragedy in Asia


> I'll second that, Gerald.
>
> I checked with Salim a few days ago - he's okay.
>
> An hour BEFORE the news broke, one of the guys I know on another audio
site
> was complaining about being stuck in the Northern Hemisphere Winter
because
> he'd been stubborn and refused an offer just too high from Quantas for a
> trip to Asia.  It turned out his stubbornness saved him from taking a
beach
> house on Phi Phi where he would almost certainly have drowned!
>
> Speaking very personally, I'd say that, given this happened on Boxing Day,
> God's timing is cr#p.
>
> Gra'
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > Sent: 29 December 2004 02:20
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Tragedy in Asia
> >
> >
> > i wish to extend a sincere hope that none of our good friends were hurt
> > in the terrible Tsunami targedy.Its applling to think that over a dozen
> > countries on two continents were affected and that there are 40,000 dead
> > at last count.Of course we take our interests seriously,but nothing is
> > as serious as this and i dont think its off topic to ask some of you to
> > let us know how you are doing,Thanks
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Dec 31 02:13:27 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:13:27 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D7C2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<00d401c4ee63$7bda8cf0$1510a8c0@TG>
Message-ID: <004e01c4eed5$efa4b490$12773242@CopyTech>

Yeah! I'm writting my check right now. I didn't know that getting rid of the cabinet makes the 1000 ZXL a "Pro Vresion". Ridiculous ...

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tayfur Gunay 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:34 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series


  Has anyone seen that before ;

  http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&rd=1

  Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))

  Cheers,

  Tayfur



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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Dec 31 02:14:33 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:14:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Tragedy in Asia
References: <005e01c4ee6a$9c59ee60$93ee4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <007201c4eed6$3bb47230$12773242@CopyTech>

125,000 victims already and counting up ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:25 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tragedy in Asia


> I'll second that, Gerald.
>
> I checked with Salim a few days ago - he's okay.
>
> An hour BEFORE the news broke, one of the guys I know on another audio 
> site
> was complaining about being stuck in the Northern Hemisphere Winter 
> because
> he'd been stubborn and refused an offer just too high from Quantas for a
> trip to Asia.  It turned out his stubbornness saved him from taking a 
> beach
> house on Phi Phi where he would almost certainly have drowned!
>
> Speaking very personally, I'd say that, given this happened on Boxing Day,
> God's timing is cr#p.
>
> Gra'
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of Gerald G.
>> Sent: 29 December 2004 02:20
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] Tragedy in Asia
>>
>>
>> i wish to extend a sincere hope that none of our good friends were hurt
>> in the terrible Tsunami targedy.Its applling to think that over a dozen
>> countries on two continents were affected and that there are 40,000 dead
>> at last count.Of course we take our interests seriously,but nothing is
>> as serious as this and i dont think its off topic to ask some of you to
>> let us know how you are doing,Thanks
>>
>>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Dec 31 02:15:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:15:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
References: <00d401c4ee63$7bda8cf0$1510a8c0@TG><BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEPLCFAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
	<518b7b104123012132156db14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007901c4eed6$3ca07fe0$12773242@CopyTech>

Yeah, at 440 euros or so ? No wonder he hasn't have a single bid yet ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series


> To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold without
> the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
> without any guarantee that all functions are operational.
>
> George
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
> <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture, 
>> CONVERTIBLE
>> [or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
>>
>> Stan
>>
>> [Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Tayfur Gunay
>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone seen that before ;
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&rd=1
>>
>> Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tayfur
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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 31 05:32:16 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:32:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Please help me decide between Maxell and TDK.....
Message-ID: <20041231043216.58571.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a chance to purchase a bulk amount of either
Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X tapes,either for the same
amount of $ and the same quantity 100.Please help me
decide on which to buy?All my decks have manual bias
and sensitivity controls so just about any tape sounds
good so i guess it comes down to longevity and
durability.Which tape is the preferd one here?Please i
need help deciding,if it where you which one would you
plunk down the coin for?Thanks for any help you can
give me.Keith.   


		
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 06:38:49 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:38:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
In-Reply-To: <007901c4eed6$3ca07fe0$12773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY23-F289323C3897C168EA0C46BAB9D0@phx.gbl>

What happen to "Rosewood"...cabinet?????????

Was sold apart...before?????

ALEX!


WG
>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>,        "Talk about Nakamichi 
>Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:15:35 -0800
>
>Yeah, at 440 euros or so ? No wonder he hasn't have a single bid yet ...
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" 
><george.valkov at gmail.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>
>
>>To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold without
>>the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
>>without any guarantee that all functions are operational.
>>
>>George
>>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
>><stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture, 
>>>CONVERTIBLE
>>>[or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
>>>
>>>Stan
>>>
>>>[Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf 
>>>Of
>>>Tayfur Gunay
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Has anyone seen that before ;
>>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&rd=1
>>>
>>>Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>Tayfur
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Dec 31 11:46:37 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:46:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Please help me decide between Maxell and
	TDK.....
Message-ID: <s1d54a3d.087@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Keith,

They are both very good type IIs.  They are also getting very scarce,
having been discontinued - certainly the XLII-S has been.

Personally, I would plumb for the Maxell XLII-S as it has a better
reputation for toughness, and has a rising sensitivity in the high
frequencies making it more itolerant of azimuth variations on other
machines (other than that upon which it was recorded).  It has a near
unmatched reputation as the premium type II.  It features a particularly
hardy heat-resistant shell and the black maganetite coating will flatter
both deck and music.  Lively, assertive sound with exceptional magentic
retentivity.

There is nothing wrong with the SA-X though!!  It is actually a quieter
formulation, giving a greater usable dynamic range.  However, European
ones seem to have a more fragile tape coating, and (from time to time)
also sport poor mechanisms because the shells appear to have been made
to inadequate tolerances.  Graham (on our list) discovered that he had
to re-calibrate for either side of the tape - which overjoyed
him......right Gra'!!!!

However, it you are in the US, this will not be an issue.  American or
Far East versions will be fine buys.  The tape features a double layer
of super-avylin.  Retentivity is high and print-through is near-nil.

Good luck,

Marc


>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 12/31/04 06:32AM >>>
I have a chance to purchase a bulk amount of either
Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X tapes,either for the same
amount of $ and the same quantity 100.Please help me
decide on which to buy?All my decks have manual bias
and sensitivity controls so just about any tape sounds
good so i guess it comes down to longevity and
durability.Which tape is the preferd one here?Please i
need help deciding,if it where you which one would you
plunk down the coin for?Thanks for any help you can
give me.Keith.   


		
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Dec 31 19:11:47 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:11:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
References: <BAY23-F289323C3897C168EA0C46BAB9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002e01c4ef64$321e6f80$2c773242@CopyTech>

Remember Alex, it is a "Do it yourself" project, as George said. So, I guess 
that the cabinet is part of that very interesting project for the year 2005. 
You can even design a toaster with it and or use the ilusive RAM chip for 
programming your microwave oven ...

Carlos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series


> What happen to "Rosewood"...cabinet?????????
>
> Was sold apart...before?????
>
> ALEX!
>
>
> WG
>>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>,        "Talk about 
>>Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:15:35 -0800
>>
>>Yeah, at 440 euros or so ? No wonder he hasn't have a single bid yet ...
>>
>>Carlos
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" 
>><george.valkov at gmail.com>
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:13 PM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>
>>
>>>To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold without
>>>the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
>>>without any guarantee that all functions are operational.
>>>
>>>George
>>>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
>>><stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture, 
>>>>CONVERTIBLE
>>>>[or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
>>>>
>>>>Stan
>>>>
>>>>[Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
>>>>Behalf Of
>>>>Tayfur Gunay
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
>>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>>Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Has anyone seen that before ;
>>>>
>>>>http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&rd=1
>>>>
>>>>Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>Tayfur
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec 31 12:46:12 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:46:12 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Please help me decide between Maxell and TDK.....
In-Reply-To: <20041231043216.58571.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901c4ef2e$5437e5a0$d9934c51@oemcomputer>

If the TDK's are made in Europe, buy the Maxell !!!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith Hugo
> Sent: 31 December 2004 04:32
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Please help me decide between Maxell and TDK.....
>
>
> I have a chance to purchase a bulk amount of either
> Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X tapes,either for the same
> amount of $ and the same quantity 100.Please help me
> decide on which to buy?All my decks have manual bias
> and sensitivity controls so just about any tape sounds
> good so i guess it comes down to longevity and
> durability.Which tape is the preferd one here?Please i
> need help deciding,if it where you which one would you
> plunk down the coin for?Thanks for any help you can
> give me.Keith.
>
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 13:40:37 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:40:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Please help me decide between Maxell andTDK.....
Message-ID: <BAY23-F382B62A40F1C7079D2BBE5AB9D0@phx.gbl>

By the way...! I ALWAYS calibrate ANY cassette each side...So that is my 
SOLE way to be 100% sure that both sides will sound best!!! Of course I use 
a Dragon!

Happy New 2005 year to all of you!

ALEX!


B
>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Please help me decide between Maxell andTDK.....
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:46:37 +0200
>
>Hi Keith,
>
>They are both very good type IIs.  They are also getting very scarce,
>having been discontinued - certainly the XLII-S has been.
>
>Personally, I would plumb for the Maxell XLII-S as it has a better
>reputation for toughness, and has a rising sensitivity in the high
>frequencies making it more itolerant of azimuth variations on other
>machines (other than that upon which it was recorded).  It has a near
>unmatched reputation as the premium type II.  It features a particularly
>hardy heat-resistant shell and the black maganetite coating will flatter
>both deck and music.  Lively, assertive sound with exceptional magentic
>retentivity.
>
>There is nothing wrong with the SA-X though!!  It is actually a quieter
>formulation, giving a greater usable dynamic range.  However, European
>ones seem to have a more fragile tape coating, and (from time to time)
>also sport poor mechanisms because the shells appear to have been made
>to inadequate tolerances.  Graham (on our list) discovered that he had
>to re-calibrate for either side of the tape - which overjoyed
>him......right Gra'!!!!
>
>However, it you are in the US, this will not be an issue.  American or
>Far East versions will be fine buys.  The tape features a double layer
>of super-avylin.  Retentivity is high and print-through is near-nil.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Marc
>
>
> >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 12/31/04 06:32AM >>>
>I have a chance to purchase a bulk amount of either
>Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X tapes,either for the same
>amount of $ and the same quantity 100.Please help me
>decide on which to buy?All my decks have manual bias
>and sensitivity controls so just about any tape sounds
>good so i guess it comes down to longevity and
>durability.Which tape is the preferd one here?Please i
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Dec 31 19:47:58 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:47:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
Message-ID: <005101c4ef69$3fdb2eb0$2c773242@CopyTech>

I think that this issue should be interesting for the rest of the list.

Hopefully the new year would make this list as "the old days" when the 
members use to be a "family" instead of a constant judgment site. You say a 
joke or something funny and short later you receive a "direct" mail from the 
KKK firing from the hip without a clue of what the hell is going on.

New people come and old people goes. But this is one of the reasons why many 
good contributors has left .

I'm one of the few "old" remaining ones in this site that from time to time 
stop here and chat with most of you. I have made good friends  from all 
around the world, like Gra' and Bleus, and many others that due to these 
kind of "things" has left the list for good. Now I understand why. You come 
here to have a good time and share knowledge but suddenly this has become a 
place where, when the least sign of an insignificant issue arise, the 
members are driven to a firing squad.

Last week Stephen was cruxified and tomorrow who knows ... No wonder why the 
man "is hiding". After all the shit he received recently, I'm sure he' would 
never show himself here again. But, who cares ?

I'm sorry guys, but life is too short. We better employ our time wisely 
instead of killing each other here for stupid reasons. Leave that to the 
rest of the world where everybody seems to know everything but at the end 
nobody knows nothing.

So long, and Happy New Year.

READ BELOW.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series


> Can you simmer down and stop the rant ? It was a joke. I'm getting sick 
> and tired of everytime somebody here wants to take the life easy somebody 
> jumps and start an issue for nothing.
>
> I don't care about the machine, the ad or the individual, ok ?
>
> By the way, for the future it would be better if all people here stop 
> "Insulting" other cultures and make prejudgements. Stop firing from the 
> hip. It's gonna save us all a lot of problems and misunderstandings.
>
> CARLOS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> To: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>
>
>> There is no mention in the title nor in the item description of the
>> words "Professional version" - where on earth did you come up with
>> that one ? I have nothing to do with the seller, but here we go again,
>> slagging off a complete stranger without even the slightest reason for
>> it. Anyone on the list with a knowledge of German can confirm that the
>> ad is completely fair and honest and I do not understand why we are
>> already blasting away at the guy - or is this becoming a typical
>> American thing, going in with all guns blazing while completely
>> clueless about the actual situation and asking questions later ?
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:15:35 -0800, El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> Yeah, at 440 euros or so ? No wonder he hasn't have a single bid yet ...
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <om>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>>
>>> > To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold without
>>> > the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
>>> > without any guarantee that all functions are operational.
>>> >
>>> > George
>>> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
>>> > <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >> Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture,
>>> >> CONVERTIBLE
>>> >> [or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
>>> >>
>>> >> Stan
>>> >>
>>> >> [Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
>>> >> Behalf
>>> >> Of
>>> >> Tayfur Gunay
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
>>> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>> >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Has anyone seen that before ;
>>> >>
>>> >> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&rd=1
>>> >>
>>> >> Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >>
>>> >> Tayfur
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Dec 31 16:26:08 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:26:08 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <005101c4ef69$3fdb2eb0$2c773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEAACGAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

You've got it Carlos. It is nice to reflect on the past, and recall how it
was a few years ago, and hope that it will somehow get back to normal this
coming year. I fully agree that even two years ago this list was alive, and
pretty much like a family. There was more friendship and lots of warmth and
humor floating around.

I am with you. Many times, all I want to do is crank up a joke, sure at some
poor dude's expense, but hey, this is life, and how not to comment on
$600-spare/missing parts 20+ year old tape deck. Remember Raymond, this was
some royal prick, but by the end he was pushed off the list, or actually may
have decided to pull away by himself, and we did have some fun with him.
Hey, compared to 27 year old cup of water sipped by Elvis that went for over
$200 on e-Bay, a $150 JVC KD-A11 "Better than Dragon" is still a deal ...

The beauty of the list was also its cosmopolitan character, with users
spanning all continents - we still have this to some degree, and should
revive it.

At the end, this may also be an indication that the entire cassette medium
is dying off, and we may be some of few dinosaurs still alive. Look at
yourself, how many taped decks you used to have and actively use just a
couple of years ago, and how many of them you still use today. Now, it is
becoming difficult to buy decent tapes, seems that before we know TDK D will
become a collector's item.

In any case, Happy New Year 2005 and Happy Nakking all around the world.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of El Magnifico
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:48 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"


I think that this issue should be interesting for the rest of the list.

Hopefully the new year would make this list as "the old days" when the
members use to be a "family" instead of a constant judgment site. You say a
joke or something funny and short later you receive a "direct" mail from the
KKK firing from the hip without a clue of what the hell is going on.

New people come and old people goes. But this is one of the reasons why many
good contributors has left .

I'm one of the few "old" remaining ones in this site that from time to time
stop here and chat with most of you. I have made good friends  from all
around the world, like Gra' and Bleus, and many others that due to these
kind of "things" has left the list for good. Now I understand why. You come
here to have a good time and share knowledge but suddenly this has become a
place where, when the least sign of an insignificant issue arise, the
members are driven to a firing squad.

Last week Stephen was cruxified and tomorrow who knows ... No wonder why the
man "is hiding". After all the shit he received recently, I'm sure he' would
never show himself here again. But, who cares ?

I'm sorry guys, but life is too short. We better employ our time wisely
instead of killing each other here for stupid reasons. Leave that to the
rest of the world where everybody seems to know everything but at the end
nobody knows nothing.

So long, and Happy New Year.

READ BELOW.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series


> Can you simmer down and stop the rant ? It was a joke. I'm getting sick
> and tired of everytime somebody here wants to take the life easy somebody
> jumps and start an issue for nothing.
>
> I don't care about the machine, the ad or the individual, ok ?
>
> By the way, for the future it would be better if all people here stop
> "Insulting" other cultures and make prejudgements. Stop firing from the
> hip. It's gonna save us all a lot of problems and misunderstandings.
>
> CARLOS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> To: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>
>
>> There is no mention in the title nor in the item description of the
>> words "Professional version" - where on earth did you come up with
>> that one ? I have nothing to do with the seller, but here we go again,
>> slagging off a complete stranger without even the slightest reason for
>> it. Anyone on the list with a knowledge of German can confirm that the
>> ad is completely fair and honest and I do not understand why we are
>> already blasting away at the guy - or is this becoming a typical
>> American thing, going in with all guns blazing while completely
>> clueless about the actual situation and asking questions later ?
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:15:35 -0800, El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Yeah, at 440 euros or so ? No wonder he hasn't have a single bid yet ...
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <om>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>>
>>> > To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold without
>>> > the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
>>> > without any guarantee that all functions are operational.
>>> >
>>> > George
>>> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
>>> > <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >> Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture,
>>> >> CONVERTIBLE
>>> >> [or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
>>> >>
>>> >> Stan
>>> >>
>>> >> [Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>> >> Behalf
>>> >> Of
>>> >> Tayfur Gunay
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
>>> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>> >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Has anyone seen that before ;
>>> >>
>>> >>
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&
rd=1
>>> >>
>>> >> Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >>
>>> >> Tayfur
>>> >>
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>>> >>
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>>> >> Maintain your account here:
>>> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec 31 16:40:04 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:40:04 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEAACGAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c4ef4e$ff804360$639d4c51@oemcomputer>

Ah!   Raaaymond .... actually, he left 'cos I scared the sh#t out of him by
being rather "unfriendly" with one of my psychology experiments ...  No, I'm
not proud of myself for doing that ...  But it was bl##  dy good fun!!  I'm
not usually nasty and it made a refreshing change from being Mr Nice Guy.

Mr Mean ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Stan Targowski
> Sent: 31 December 2004 15:26
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>
>
> You've got it Carlos. It is nice to reflect on the past, and recall how it
> was a few years ago, and hope that it will somehow get back to normal this
> coming year. I fully agree that even two years ago this list was
> alive, and
> pretty much like a family. There was more friendship and lots of
> warmth and
> humor floating around.
>
> I am with you. Many times, all I want to do is crank up a joke,
> sure at some
> poor dude's expense, but hey, this is life, and how not to comment on
> $600-spare/missing parts 20+ year old tape deck. Remember
> Raymond, this was
> some royal prick, but by the end he was pushed off the list, or
> actually may
> have decided to pull away by himself, and we did have some fun with him.
> Hey, compared to 27 year old cup of water sipped by Elvis that
> went for over
> $200 on e-Bay, a $150 JVC KD-A11 "Better than Dragon" is still a deal ...
>
> The beauty of the list was also its cosmopolitan character, with users
> spanning all continents - we still have this to some degree, and should
> revive it.
>
> At the end, this may also be an indication that the entire cassette medium
> is dying off, and we may be some of few dinosaurs still alive. Look at
> yourself, how many taped decks you used to have and actively use just a
> couple of years ago, and how many of them you still use today. Now, it is
> becoming difficult to buy decent tapes, seems that before we know
> TDK D will
> become a collector's item.
>
> In any case, Happy New Year 2005 and Happy Nakking all around the world.
>
> Stan
>



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec 31 16:40:06 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:40:06 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEAACGAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c4ef4f$008cd160$639d4c51@oemcomputer>

How's that joke go?  You can choose your friends but not your family?!!

Well, I suppose all families have their ups and downs.  This one's no
different.  At least we can get away from it by switching off the computer,
which is more that I can do at home when my wife's on a rant!!!  (Thank God
for headphones ... the guy who invented them deserves the Nobel Peace Prize
'cos without it a few people would have dies at my hands by now ...)

So, here is wishing this Nak family, a couple past and others present, a
more peaceful New Year than the last one!!

Gra'




From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 17:27:05 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:27:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
Message-ID: <BAY103-F423AE859554049E6AFDD3E9E9D0@phx.gbl>

Carlos:

I can only say one thing:

If it was your deck...you would not have so many "kind" words about Steven!  
This is a group of adults and we all are human!!  As long as life's 
situations arise, people will talk and discuss same.  People need to express 
themselves, after the rant things generally calm down.  To stifle free 
speech especially when the subject matter is within the Nakamichi purvue is 
just plain wrong!



>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:47:58 -0800
>
>I think that this issue should be interesting for the rest of the list.
>
>Hopefully the new year would make this list as "the old days" when the 
>members use to be a "family" instead of a constant judgment site. You say a 
>joke or something funny and short later you receive a "direct" mail from 
>the KKK firing from the hip without a clue of what the hell is going on.
>
>New people come and old people goes. But this is one of the reasons why 
>many good contributors has left .
>
>I'm one of the few "old" remaining ones in this site that from time to time 
>stop here and chat with most of you. I have made good friends  from all 
>around the world, like Gra' and Bleus, and many others that due to these 
>kind of "things" has left the list for good. Now I understand why. You come 
>here to have a good time and share knowledge but suddenly this has become a 
>place where, when the least sign of an insignificant issue arise, the 
>members are driven to a firing squad.
>
>Last week Stephen was cruxified and tomorrow who knows ... No wonder why 
>the man "is hiding". After all the shit he received recently, I'm sure he' 
>would never show himself here again. But, who cares ?
>
>I'm sorry guys, but life is too short. We better employ our time wisely 
>instead of killing each other here for stupid reasons. Leave that to the 
>rest of the world where everybody seems to know everything but at the end 
>nobody knows nothing.
>
>So long, and Happy New Year.
>
>READ BELOW.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>To: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:07 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>
>
>>Can you simmer down and stop the rant ? It was a joke. I'm getting sick 
>>and tired of everytime somebody here wants to take the life easy somebody 
>>jumps and start an issue for nothing.
>>
>>I don't care about the machine, the ad or the individual, ok ?
>>
>>By the way, for the future it would be better if all people here stop 
>>"Insulting" other cultures and make prejudgements. Stop firing from the 
>>hip. It's gonna save us all a lot of problems and misunderstandings.
>>
>>CARLOS
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" 
>><george.valkov at gmail.com>
>>To: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:42 PM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>
>>
>>>There is no mention in the title nor in the item description of the
>>>words "Professional version" - where on earth did you come up with
>>>that one ? I have nothing to do with the seller, but here we go again,
>>>slagging off a complete stranger without even the slightest reason for
>>>it. Anyone on the list with a knowledge of German can confirm that the
>>>ad is completely fair and honest and I do not understand why we are
>>>already blasting away at the guy - or is this becoming a typical
>>>American thing, going in with all guns blazing while completely
>>>clueless about the actual situation and asking questions later ?
>>>
>>>George
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:15:35 -0800, El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> 
>>>wrote:
>>>>Yeah, at 440 euros or so ? No wonder he hasn't have a single bid yet ...
>>>>
>>>>Carlos
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <om>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:13 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>>>
>>>> > To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold 
>>>>without
>>>> > the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
>>>> > without any guarantee that all functions are operational.
>>>> >
>>>> > George
>>>> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
>>>> > <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> >> Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture,
>>>> >> CONVERTIBLE
>>>> >> [or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Stan
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
>>>> >> Behalf
>>>> >> Of
>>>> >> Tayfur Gunay
>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
>>>> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>> >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Has anyone seen that before ;
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 
>>>>http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&rd=1
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Tayfur
>>>> >> 
>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>> >>          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
>>>> >> 
>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>> >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>>> >> Maintain your account here: >> 
>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>>> >> 
>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> > 
>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>> >          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
>>>> > 
>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>> >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>>> > Maintain your account here: > 
>>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>>> > 
>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 17:32:40 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:32:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
Message-ID: <BAY103-F38F454C73F95E75D5AF80F9E9D0@phx.gbl>

Stan:

No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks which 
bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important "tweak" 
factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter for an Akai 
M-6 recorder?

Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...

Neil
NYC, NY.

>From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:26:08 -0600
>
>You've got it Carlos. It is nice to reflect on the past, and recall how it
>was a few years ago, and hope that it will somehow get back to normal this
>coming year. I fully agree that even two years ago this list was alive, and
>pretty much like a family. There was more friendship and lots of warmth and
>humor floating around.
>
>I am with you. Many times, all I want to do is crank up a joke, sure at 
>some
>poor dude's expense, but hey, this is life, and how not to comment on
>$600-spare/missing parts 20+ year old tape deck. Remember Raymond, this was
>some royal prick, but by the end he was pushed off the list, or actually 
>may
>have decided to pull away by himself, and we did have some fun with him.
>Hey, compared to 27 year old cup of water sipped by Elvis that went for 
>over
>$200 on e-Bay, a $150 JVC KD-A11 "Better than Dragon" is still a deal ...
>
>The beauty of the list was also its cosmopolitan character, with users
>spanning all continents - we still have this to some degree, and should
>revive it.
>
>At the end, this may also be an indication that the entire cassette medium
>is dying off, and we may be some of few dinosaurs still alive. Look at
>yourself, how many taped decks you used to have and actively use just a
>couple of years ago, and how many of them you still use today. Now, it is
>becoming difficult to buy decent tapes, seems that before we know TDK D 
>will
>become a collector's item.
>
>In any case, Happy New Year 2005 and Happy Nakking all around the world.
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of El Magnifico
>Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:48 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>
>
>I think that this issue should be interesting for the rest of the list.
>
>Hopefully the new year would make this list as "the old days" when the
>members use to be a "family" instead of a constant judgment site. You say a
>joke or something funny and short later you receive a "direct" mail from 
>the
>KKK firing from the hip without a clue of what the hell is going on.
>
>New people come and old people goes. But this is one of the reasons why 
>many
>good contributors has left .
>
>I'm one of the few "old" remaining ones in this site that from time to time
>stop here and chat with most of you. I have made good friends  from all
>around the world, like Gra' and Bleus, and many others that due to these
>kind of "things" has left the list for good. Now I understand why. You come
>here to have a good time and share knowledge but suddenly this has become a
>place where, when the least sign of an insignificant issue arise, the
>members are driven to a firing squad.
>
>Last week Stephen was cruxified and tomorrow who knows ... No wonder why 
>the
>man "is hiding". After all the shit he received recently, I'm sure he' 
>would
>never show himself here again. But, who cares ?
>
>I'm sorry guys, but life is too short. We better employ our time wisely
>instead of killing each other here for stupid reasons. Leave that to the
>rest of the world where everybody seems to know everything but at the end
>nobody knows nothing.
>
>So long, and Happy New Year.
>
>READ BELOW.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>To: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:07 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>
>
> > Can you simmer down and stop the rant ? It was a joke. I'm getting sick
> > and tired of everytime somebody here wants to take the life easy 
>somebody
> > jumps and start an issue for nothing.
> >
> > I don't care about the machine, the ad or the individual, ok ?
> >
> > By the way, for the future it would be better if all people here stop
> > "Insulting" other cultures and make prejudgements. Stop firing from the
> > hip. It's gonna save us all a lot of problems and misunderstandings.
> >
> > CARLOS
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> > To: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> >
> >
> >> There is no mention in the title nor in the item description of the
> >> words "Professional version" - where on earth did you come up with
> >> that one ? I have nothing to do with the seller, but here we go again,
> >> slagging off a complete stranger without even the slightest reason for
> >> it. Anyone on the list with a knowledge of German can confirm that the
> >> ad is completely fair and honest and I do not understand why we are
> >> already blasting away at the guy - or is this becoming a typical
> >> American thing, going in with all guns blazing while completely
> >> clueless about the actual situation and asking questions later ?
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:15:35 -0800, El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Yeah, at 440 euros or so ? No wonder he hasn't have a single bid yet 
>...
> >>>
> >>> Carlos
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <om>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:13 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> >>>
> >>> > To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold 
>without
> >>> > the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
> >>> > without any guarantee that all functions are operational.
> >>> >
> >>> > George
> >>> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
> >>> > <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> >> Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture,
> >>> >> CONVERTIBLE
> >>> >> [or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Stan
> >>> >>
> >>> >> [Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >>> >> Behalf
> >>> >> Of
> >>> >> Tayfur Gunay
> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
> >>> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >>> >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Has anyone seen that before ;
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
>http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533&
>rd=1
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cheers,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Tayfur
> >>> >>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec 31 17:08:05 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:08:05 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F38F454C73F95E75D5AF80F9E9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002101c4ef52$e9422740$639d4c51@oemcomputer>

Of course our favourite format is dead - that's WHY we're called
Nakophiliacs ...  hee hee!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>
>
> Stan:
>
> No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks which
> bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important "tweak"
> factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter
> for an Akai
> M-6 recorder?
>
> Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
>
> Neil
> NYC, NY.
>



From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Dec 31 17:59:59 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:59:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <005101c4ef69$3fdb2eb0$2c773242@CopyTech>
References: <005101c4ef69$3fdb2eb0$2c773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <41D5858F.2060203@xs4all.nl>

Hi Carlos.
I share your concern for a great deal, but accidents have been there 
always just more on the surface now.
Email like you got i've received many times, also after i started 
moderating the list i can wait for a 'kind' response after a reject a 
post the 'nice' way, so i stopped doing this and now 'discard' posts 
like this, the sender won't receive a message then that the post was 
rejected.
Funnily the group of members that are still un-moderated can be 
described as the group from 'the old days'... Those days that moderating 
this list was not needed.

Only I hope the list can go on for years, I got my 600 recently fixed 
with the help of the members of this list!

So to all members all the best wishes to all of you for 2005!

Wouter

El Magnifico wrote:

> I think that this issue should be interesting for the rest of the list.
>
> Hopefully the new year would make this list as "the old days" when the 
> members use to be a "family" instead of a constant judgment site. You 
> say a joke or something funny and short later you receive a "direct" 
> mail from the KKK firing from the hip without a clue of what the hell 
> is going on.
>
> New people come and old people goes. But this is one of the reasons 
> why many good contributors has left .
>
> I'm one of the few "old" remaining ones in this site that from time to 
> time stop here and chat with most of you. I have made good friends  
> from all around the world, like Gra' and Bleus, and many others that 
> due to these kind of "things" has left the list for good. Now I 
> understand why. You come here to have a good time and share knowledge 
> but suddenly this has become a place where, when the least sign of an 
> insignificant issue arise, the members are driven to a firing squad.
>
> Last week Stephen was cruxified and tomorrow who knows ... No wonder 
> why the man "is hiding". After all the shit he received recently, I'm 
> sure he' would never show himself here again. But, who cares ?
>
> I'm sorry guys, but life is too short. We better employ our time 
> wisely instead of killing each other here for stupid reasons. Leave 
> that to the rest of the world where everybody seems to know everything 
> but at the end nobody knows nothing.
>
> So long, and Happy New Year.
>
> READ BELOW.
>
> Carlos




From greynolds at newsguy.com  Fri Dec 31 17:52:11 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:52:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
References: <BAY103-F38F454C73F95E75D5AF80F9E9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007901c4ef59$12af1b50$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k>

From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>

> No format will ever die.....

Hasn't 8-Track officially died? :)
--
Geoffrey Reynolds
http://www.crestron.geoff-reynolds.net


From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Dec 31 17:54:34 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:54:34 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F38F454C73F95E75D5AF80F9E9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEACCGAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Neil - actually, VU meters is what I like most about the tape decks now ...
Often I would be listening to a CD, and have my JVC KD-A77 with big green VU
meters, circa 1983, set to Monitor, just for the video effect.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of neil lipes
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:33 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"


Stan:

No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks which
bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important "tweak"
factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter for an Akai
M-6 recorder?

Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...

Neil
NYC, NY.

>From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:26:08 -0600
>
>You've got it Carlos. It is nice to reflect on the past, and recall how it
>was a few years ago, and hope that it will somehow get back to normal this
>coming year. I fully agree that even two years ago this list was alive, and
>pretty much like a family. There was more friendship and lots of warmth and
>humor floating around.
>
>I am with you. Many times, all I want to do is crank up a joke, sure at
>some
>poor dude's expense, but hey, this is life, and how not to comment on
>$600-spare/missing parts 20+ year old tape deck. Remember Raymond, this was
>some royal prick, but by the end he was pushed off the list, or actually
>may
>have decided to pull away by himself, and we did have some fun with him.
>Hey, compared to 27 year old cup of water sipped by Elvis that went for
>over
>$200 on e-Bay, a $150 JVC KD-A11 "Better than Dragon" is still a deal ...
>
>The beauty of the list was also its cosmopolitan character, with users
>spanning all continents - we still have this to some degree, and should
>revive it.
>
>At the end, this may also be an indication that the entire cassette medium
>is dying off, and we may be some of few dinosaurs still alive. Look at
>yourself, how many taped decks you used to have and actively use just a
>couple of years ago, and how many of them you still use today. Now, it is
>becoming difficult to buy decent tapes, seems that before we know TDK D
>will
>become a collector's item.
>
>In any case, Happy New Year 2005 and Happy Nakking all around the world.
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of El Magnifico
>Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:48 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>
>
>I think that this issue should be interesting for the rest of the list.
>
>Hopefully the new year would make this list as "the old days" when the
>members use to be a "family" instead of a constant judgment site. You say a
>joke or something funny and short later you receive a "direct" mail from
>the
>KKK firing from the hip without a clue of what the hell is going on.
>
>New people come and old people goes. But this is one of the reasons why
>many
>good contributors has left .
>
>I'm one of the few "old" remaining ones in this site that from time to time
>stop here and chat with most of you. I have made good friends  from all
>around the world, like Gra' and Bleus, and many others that due to these
>kind of "things" has left the list for good. Now I understand why. You come
>here to have a good time and share knowledge but suddenly this has become a
>place where, when the least sign of an insignificant issue arise, the
>members are driven to a firing squad.
>
>Last week Stephen was cruxified and tomorrow who knows ... No wonder why
>the
>man "is hiding". After all the shit he received recently, I'm sure he'
>would
>never show himself here again. But, who cares ?
>
>I'm sorry guys, but life is too short. We better employ our time wisely
>instead of killing each other here for stupid reasons. Leave that to the
>rest of the world where everybody seems to know everything but at the end
>nobody knows nothing.
>
>So long, and Happy New Year.
>
>READ BELOW.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>To: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:07 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
>
>
> > Can you simmer down and stop the rant ? It was a joke. I'm getting sick
> > and tired of everytime somebody here wants to take the life easy
>somebody
> > jumps and start an issue for nothing.
> >
> > I don't care about the machine, the ad or the individual, ok ?
> >
> > By the way, for the future it would be better if all people here stop
> > "Insulting" other cultures and make prejudgements. Stop firing from the
> > hip. It's gonna save us all a lot of problems and misunderstandings.
> >
> > CARLOS
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> > To: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> >
> >
> >> There is no mention in the title nor in the item description of the
> >> words "Professional version" - where on earth did you come up with
> >> that one ? I have nothing to do with the seller, but here we go again,
> >> slagging off a complete stranger without even the slightest reason for
> >> it. Anyone on the list with a knowledge of German can confirm that the
> >> ad is completely fair and honest and I do not understand why we are
> >> already blasting away at the guy - or is this becoming a typical
> >> American thing, going in with all guns blazing while completely
> >> clueless about the actual situation and asking questions later ?
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:15:35 -0800, El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Yeah, at 440 euros or so ? No wonder he hasn't have a single bid yet
>...
> >>>
> >>> Carlos
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <om>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:13 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> >>>
> >>> > To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold
>without
> >>> > the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
> >>> > without any guarantee that all functions are operational.
> >>> >
> >>> > George
> >>> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
> >>> > <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> >> Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture,
> >>> >> CONVERTIBLE
> >>> >> [or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Stan
> >>> >>
> >>> >> [Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >>> >> Behalf
> >>> >> Of
> >>> >> Tayfur Gunay
> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
> >>> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >>> >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Has anyone seen that before ;
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
>http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533
&
>rd=1
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cheers,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Tayfur
> >>> >>
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Fri Dec 31 18:14:43 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:14:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <002101c4ef52$e9422740$639d4c51@oemcomputer>
References: <002101c4ef52$e9422740$639d4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41D58903.2060006@cox.net>

This made me sit back and take stock of all of the various information 
storage formats that I've seen come and go, and it's a little 
mind-boggling.  The earliest audio recording format I recall playing 
with was an old wire recorder at an uncle's house.  We were visiting, 
and to keep the kids occupied for awhile he dug this thing out of a 
closet somewhere and showed us how to work it.  I was fascinated by it!  
The fidelity was terrible, but I didn't realize that at the time.

But think about it.  Wire recording, tape recording (in all of the 
various flavors and permutations), vinyl recording (shellacs, too), 
optical recording (on film, on disc), solid state recording in memory 
devices.

Help me out here.  What did I miss?  Formats come and go.  How many more 
will come and go in our lifetimes?

This Nakophiliac wishes the best for the rest of you, for this year and 
the years to come.  May our favorite formats continue to enthrall us as 
we find even newer ones to exploit. 

Tim


Nelson wrote:

>Of course our favourite format is dead - that's WHY we're called
>Nakophiliacs ...  hee hee!
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of neil lipes
>>Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>>
>>
>>Stan:
>>
>>No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks which
>>bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important "tweak"
>>factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter
>>for an Akai
>>M-6 recorder?
>>
>>Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
>>
>>Neil
>>NYC, NY.
>>
>>    
>>
>
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 18:01:03 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:01:03 EST
Subject: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
Message-ID: <19a.2d4f1e0d.2f06dfcf@aol.com>

Wow, see what I miss when I'm away! I don't contribute much to the list but 
that is because I'm an idiot. I learn as much as possible and then I try it, 
buy it, get it and forget it. I then peek in to see how the regulars are doing 
and occassionally say hello. 

HELLO, to all my fellow enthusiasts and a Happy New Year to all...

Love the music........

Anthony Von Stupid

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 18:02:53 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:02:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEACCGAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1872D1E04455FA509D55719E9D0@phx.gbl>

Exactly!

>From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:54:34 -0600
>
>Neil - actually, VU meters is what I like most about the tape decks now ...
>Often I would be listening to a CD, and have my JVC KD-A77 with big green 
>VU
>meters, circa 1983, set to Monitor, just for the video effect.
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of neil lipes
>Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:33 AM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>
>
>Stan:
>
>No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks which
>bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important "tweak"
>factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter for an 
>Akai
>M-6 recorder?
>
>Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
>
>Neil
>NYC, NY.
>
> >From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
> >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:26:08 -0600
> >
> >You've got it Carlos. It is nice to reflect on the past, and recall how 
>it
> >was a few years ago, and hope that it will somehow get back to normal 
>this
> >coming year. I fully agree that even two years ago this list was alive, 
>and
> >pretty much like a family. There was more friendship and lots of warmth 
>and
> >humor floating around.
> >
> >I am with you. Many times, all I want to do is crank up a joke, sure at
> >some
> >poor dude's expense, but hey, this is life, and how not to comment on
> >$600-spare/missing parts 20+ year old tape deck. Remember Raymond, this 
>was
> >some royal prick, but by the end he was pushed off the list, or actually
> >may
> >have decided to pull away by himself, and we did have some fun with him.
> >Hey, compared to 27 year old cup of water sipped by Elvis that went for
> >over
> >$200 on e-Bay, a $150 JVC KD-A11 "Better than Dragon" is still a deal ...
> >
> >The beauty of the list was also its cosmopolitan character, with users
> >spanning all continents - we still have this to some degree, and should
> >revive it.
> >
> >At the end, this may also be an indication that the entire cassette 
>medium
> >is dying off, and we may be some of few dinosaurs still alive. Look at
> >yourself, how many taped decks you used to have and actively use just a
> >couple of years ago, and how many of them you still use today. Now, it is
> >becoming difficult to buy decent tapes, seems that before we know TDK D
> >will
> >become a collector's item.
> >
> >In any case, Happy New Year 2005 and Happy Nakking all around the world.
> >
> >Stan
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >Behalf Of El Magnifico
> >Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:48 PM
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
> >
> >
> >I think that this issue should be interesting for the rest of the list.
> >
> >Hopefully the new year would make this list as "the old days" when the
> >members use to be a "family" instead of a constant judgment site. You say 
>a
> >joke or something funny and short later you receive a "direct" mail from
> >the
> >KKK firing from the hip without a clue of what the hell is going on.
> >
> >New people come and old people goes. But this is one of the reasons why
> >many
> >good contributors has left .
> >
> >I'm one of the few "old" remaining ones in this site that from time to 
>time
> >stop here and chat with most of you. I have made good friends  from all
> >around the world, like Gra' and Bleus, and many others that due to these
> >kind of "things" has left the list for good. Now I understand why. You 
>come
> >here to have a good time and share knowledge but suddenly this has become 
>a
> >place where, when the least sign of an insignificant issue arise, the
> >members are driven to a firing squad.
> >
> >Last week Stephen was cruxified and tomorrow who knows ... No wonder why
> >the
> >man "is hiding". After all the shit he received recently, I'm sure he'
> >would
> >never show himself here again. But, who cares ?
> >
> >I'm sorry guys, but life is too short. We better employ our time wisely
> >instead of killing each other here for stupid reasons. Leave that to the
> >rest of the world where everybody seems to know everything but at the end
> >nobody knows nothing.
> >
> >So long, and Happy New Year.
> >
> >READ BELOW.
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> >To: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:07 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> >
> >
> > > Can you simmer down and stop the rant ? It was a joke. I'm getting 
>sick
> > > and tired of everytime somebody here wants to take the life easy
> >somebody
> > > jumps and start an issue for nothing.
> > >
> > > I don't care about the machine, the ad or the individual, ok ?
> > >
> > > By the way, for the future it would be better if all people here stop
> > > "Insulting" other cultures and make prejudgements. Stop firing from 
>the
> > > hip. It's gonna save us all a lot of problems and misunderstandings.
> > >
> > > CARLOS
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> > > To: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> > >
> > >
> > >> There is no mention in the title nor in the item description of the
> > >> words "Professional version" - where on earth did you come up with
> > >> that one ? I have nothing to do with the seller, but here we go 
>again,
> > >> slagging off a complete stranger without even the slightest reason 
>for
> > >> it. Anyone on the list with a knowledge of German can confirm that 
>the
> > >> ad is completely fair and honest and I do not understand why we are
> > >> already blasting away at the guy - or is this becoming a typical
> > >> American thing, going in with all guns blazing while completely
> > >> clueless about the actual situation and asking questions later ?
> > >>
> > >> George
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:15:35 -0800, El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> Yeah, at 440 euros or so ? No wonder he hasn't have a single bid yet
> >...
> > >>>
> > >>> Carlos
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "george valkov" <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> > >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <om>
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:13 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> > >>>
> > >>> > To be fair, the guy does state in his ad that the deck is sold
> >without
> > >>> > the housing, sold specifically for parts or for a DIY enthusiast,
> > >>> > without any guarantee that all functions are operational.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > George
> > >>> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:28 -0600, Stan Targowski
> > >>> > <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>> >> Another name for this model would be, by looking at the picture,
> > >>> >> CONVERTIBLE
> > >>> >> [or CABRIOLET for the EU market]... :=)
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Stan
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> [Stan Targowski]  -----Original Message-----
> > >>> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > >>> >> Behalf
> > >>> >> Of
> > >>> >> Tayfur Gunay
> > >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:34 AM
> > >>> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > >>> >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Prof.Series
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Has anyone seen that before ;
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> >http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3862831533
>&
> >rd=1
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Professional version of 1000ZXL. I know Carlos would go for it:))
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Cheers,
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Tayfur
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 18:23:35 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:23:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <41D58903.2060006@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F380BA1104B4CD60CE659D39E9D0@phx.gbl>

Tim:

What about my wife's format?

>From: Tim Barrett <timbarrett at cox.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:14:43 -0500
>
>This made me sit back and take stock of all of the various information 
>storage formats that I've seen come and go, and it's a little 
>mind-boggling.  The earliest audio recording format I recall playing with 
>was an old wire recorder at an uncle's house.  We were visiting, and to 
>keep the kids occupied for awhile he dug this thing out of a closet 
>somewhere and showed us how to work it.  I was fascinated by it!  The 
>fidelity was terrible, but I didn't realize that at the time.
>
>But think about it.  Wire recording, tape recording (in all of the various 
>flavors and permutations), vinyl recording (shellacs, too), optical 
>recording (on film, on disc), solid state recording in memory devices.
>
>Help me out here.  What did I miss?  Formats come and go.  How many more 
>will come and go in our lifetimes?
>
>This Nakophiliac wishes the best for the rest of you, for this year and the 
>years to come.  May our favorite formats continue to enthrall us as we find 
>even newer ones to exploit.
>
>Tim
>
>
>Nelson wrote:
>
>>Of course our favourite format is dead - that's WHY we're called
>>Nakophiliacs ...  hee hee!
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>>Behalf Of neil lipes
>>>Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33
>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>>>
>>>
>>>Stan:
>>>
>>>No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks which
>>>bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important "tweak"
>>>factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter
>>>for an Akai
>>>M-6 recorder?
>>>
>>>Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>NYC, NY.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 18:31:36 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:31:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
Message-ID: <BAY103-F40DE999999B90956975F549E9D0@phx.gbl>

Nelson:

Getting ready to travel the mile and a half to Times Square, and ring in the 
new year!.. Temps here in NYC are about 50 degrees...for this time of year 
that....is amazing!

Am taking out my wife for a lobster dinner at the top place for the creature 
in NYC.....I've reserved a nice ten pounder....and told the management the 
Sangria I want cut with Cognac...this will allow the wife to take advantage 
of me later this evening!

Neil

>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:08:05 -0000
>
>Of course our favorite format is dead - that's WHY we're called
>Nakophiliacs ...  hee hee!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of neil lipes
> > Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
> >
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks which
> > bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important 
>"tweak"
> > factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter
> > for an Akai
> > M-6 recorder?
> >
> > Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
> >
> > Neil
> > NYC, NY.
> >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 18:37:47 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:37:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <007901c4ef59$12af1b50$c801a8c0@geoffwin2k>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F74F851A21BE783FAF45ED9E9D0@phx.gbl>

Not as long as folks still listen and enjoy!

Speak about rare formats......remember the RCA 4-track cassette from the 
late 50's and early 60's?

>From: greynolds at newsguy.com
>Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:52:11 -0500
>
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>
> > No format will ever die.....
>
>Hasn't 8-Track officially died? :)
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Fri Dec 31 19:25:25 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:25:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F380BA1104B4CD60CE659D39E9D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F380BA1104B4CD60CE659D39E9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D59995.7000400@cox.net>

Actually, I'm going to be experiencing my own version of surround sound 
tomorrow when we visit with the mother-in-law......

neil lipes wrote:

> Tim:
>
> What about my wife's format?
>
>> From: Tim Barrett <timbarrett at cox.net>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:14:43 -0500
>>
>> This made me sit back and take stock of all of the various 
>> information storage formats that I've seen come and go, and it's a 
>> little mind-boggling.  The earliest audio recording format I recall 
>> playing with was an old wire recorder at an uncle's house.  We were 
>> visiting, and to keep the kids occupied for awhile he dug this thing 
>> out of a closet somewhere and showed us how to work it.  I was 
>> fascinated by it!  The fidelity was terrible, but I didn't realize 
>> that at the time.
>>
>> But think about it.  Wire recording, tape recording (in all of the 
>> various flavors and permutations), vinyl recording (shellacs, too), 
>> optical recording (on film, on disc), solid state recording in memory 
>> devices.
>>
>> Help me out here.  What did I miss?  Formats come and go.  How many 
>> more will come and go in our lifetimes?
>>
>> This Nakophiliac wishes the best for the rest of you, for this year 
>> and the years to come.  May our favorite formats continue to enthrall 
>> us as we find even newer ones to exploit.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> Of course our favourite format is dead - that's WHY we're called
>>> Nakophiliacs ...  hee hee!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>>> Behalf Of neil lipes
>>>> Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33
>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stan:
>>>>
>>>> No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks 
>>>> which
>>>> bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important 
>>>> "tweak"
>>>> factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter
>>>> for an Akai
>>>> M-6 recorder?
>>>>
>>>> Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>> NYC, NY.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 31 20:22:14 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:22:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] List:  no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <41D5858F.2060203@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20041231192214.66459.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>

Wouter
I agree that the  group is still intact with good sense of humour. Ofcourse helping nature is still present and that is the reason why this naktalk is surviving- Oldies may not participate often but I suspect that they are still lurking behind the scene. .
I welcome newcomers to participate - as it helps we oldies ( sorry to include me with founders like Carlos- still I have been in this for quite a while to claim oldy status ) in getting to know a larger group.
 
I have to  point out that Ebay nakamichi posting is one hell of an interesting thing to watch - because lot of them ( sellers) infact refer Naks.com site! So guys; we are allowed to make fun of few of the con artists who say that XXX Akai cassette deck - Dragon slayer etc even if the seller is innocent. Our group has more non american than many such groups So peace - and enjoy the joke rather than taking it as country specific traite
 
- Happy new year to everyone in this list including those oldies who may not be listening!
kannan

Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Carlos.
I share your concern for a great deal, but accidents have been there 
always just more on the surface now.
Email like you got i've received many times, also after i started 
moderating the list i can wait for a 'kind' response after a reject a 
post the 'nice' way, so i stopped doing this and now 'discard' posts 
like this, the sender won't receive a message then that the post was 
rejected.
Funnily the group of members that are still un-moderated can be 
described as the group from 'the old days'... Those days that moderating 
this list was not needed.

Only I hope the list can go on for years, I got my 600 recently fixed 
with the help of the members of this list!

So to all members all the best wishes to all of you for 2005!

Wouter

El Magnifico wrote:

> I think that this issue should be interesting for the rest of the list.
>
> Hopefully the new year would make this list as "the old days" when the 
> members use to be a "family" instead of a constant judgment site. You 
> say a joke or something funny and short later you receive a "direct" 
> mail from the KKK firing from the hip without a clue of what the hell 
> is going on.
>
> New people come and old people goes. But this is one of the reasons 
> why many good contributors has left .
>
> I'm one of the few "old" remaining ones in this site that from time to 
> time stop here and chat with most of you. I have made good friends 
> from all around the world, like Gra' and Bleus, and many others that 
> due to these kind of "things" has left the list for good. Now I 
> understand why. You come here to have a good time and share knowledge 
> but suddenly this has become a place where, when the least sign of an 
> insignificant issue arise, the members are driven to a firing squad.
>
> Last week Stephen was cruxified and tomorrow who knows ... No wonder 
> why the man "is hiding". After all the shit he received recently, I'm 
> sure he' would never show himself here again. But, who cares ?
>
> I'm sorry guys, but life is too short. We better employ our time 
> wisely instead of killing each other here for stupid reasons. Leave 
> that to the rest of the world where everybody seems to know everything 
> but at the end nobody knows nothing.
>
> So long, and Happy New Year.
>
> READ BELOW.
>
> Carlos


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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Dec 31 20:00:05 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:00:05 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] No longer a Family
Message-ID: <1101-41D5AFC5-6136@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>

you mighta known things woulda become a zoo when my monkey ass joins in
the fray.I like George,and I like Carlos and what family does not
bicker( I came of age when at 15 my dad swung at me and i swung beck,and
ive had my share of arguments and moderate fist fights with my own
brother).Lets not have the password for Naktalk become"peaches and
Cream". I doubt very seriously  whether any of us are the Devil
incarnate or absolute saints-most of us probably fall somewhere in
between.Sorry if it seems like i am making light of a situation that is
pretty serious to those involved,and i hope noone gets mad,especially
since I consider myself still a guest on naktalk and certainly not a
veteran. Badanth,this post is proof that you are nowhere near as stupid
as me.Dont even try-ive got lots of experience.

thank you very much,
gerald



From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Dec 31 21:46:42 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:46:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Best New Year
Message-ID: <001601c4ef79$d5943e00$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye>

Hi Wouter,

Good to hear from you occasionally, and thank you for all the effort you put into maintaining this site year after year.  It is greatly appreciated by almost all of us.  I can't tell you how much help I get from contributions by our regular members:  Ti, Marc, Kent, Carlos, Kannan, Bleus, John, Tom, Fred, Kermit, Neil, Stan, Gra', Ron, Scott, Roland, Alex, and in charge of creative writing....Gerald.  I'm sure I've missed a bunch, but to all who try to help, thank you!!!!! and wishing everyone a great new year!

I'm sure that the tragedy in the South Pacific is on all of our minds, so I won't repeat what has already been well said by others.

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From jeff at eslabs.com  Fri Dec 31 22:20:18 2004
From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:20:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year ! !
References: <001601c4ef79$d5943e00$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye>
Message-ID: <003301c4ef7e$90fddad0$6401a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>

HAVE A HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR ! !

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Dec 31 22:43:40 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:43:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Still a family,
	thanks to Wouter ......and....Happy New Year
Message-ID: <s1d5e43d.088@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi All,

Carlos, you are right of course.  We are all in danger of taking
ourselves too seriously......from time to time, when the going gets
contentious, we should take a deep breath and get things in perspective.
 Humour, for instance is frequently misunderstood.  We forget we are
sometimes talking to folks on the other side of the planet, and not the
next office, although I for one, usually wish it were.

But when all is said and done, this list eclispses any other I have
ever been on by a long shot.  I have made some of my best friends around
those annoying, temperamental marvels, Nakamichi.  Huge thank you to
Wouter Heijke in Netherlands for that.

Happy New Year to everyone reading this and by the way Gerald, after
all this pontification, I qualify for the "stupidist" after spending the
last 10 minutes stating the obvious.  As Carlos would say......Ha!!

Cheers,

Marc



>>> timbarrett at cox.net 12/31/04 08:25PM >>>
Actually, I'm going to be experiencing my own version of surround sound

tomorrow when we visit with the mother-in-law......

neil lipes wrote:

> Tim:
>
> What about my wife's format?
>
>> From: Tim Barrett <timbarrett at cox.net>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:14:43 -0500
>>
>> This made me sit back and take stock of all of the various 
>> information storage formats that I've seen come and go, and it's a 
>> little mind-boggling.  The earliest audio recording format I recall

>> playing with was an old wire recorder at an uncle's house.  We were

>> visiting, and to keep the kids occupied for awhile he dug this thing

>> out of a closet somewhere and showed us how to work it.  I was 
>> fascinated by it!  The fidelity was terrible, but I didn't realize 
>> that at the time.
>>
>> But think about it.  Wire recording, tape recording (in all of the 
>> various flavors and permutations), vinyl recording (shellacs, too),

>> optical recording (on film, on disc), solid state recording in
memory 
>> devices.
>>
>> Help me out here.  What did I miss?  Formats come and go.  How many

>> more will come and go in our lifetimes?
>>
>> This Nakophiliac wishes the best for the rest of you, for this year

>> and the years to come.  May our favorite formats continue to
enthrall 
>> us as we find even newer ones to exploit.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> Of course our favourite format is dead - that's WHY we're called
>>> Nakophiliacs ...  hee hee!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On

>>>> Behalf Of neil lipes
>>>> Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33
>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com 
>>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stan:
>>>>
>>>> No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks

>>>> which
>>>> bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important

>>>> "tweak"
>>>> factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter
>>>> for an Akai
>>>> M-6 recorder?
>>>>
>>>> Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>> NYC, NY.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Dec 31 22:49:46 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:49:46 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Still a family,
	thanks to Wouter ......and....Happy New Year
Message-ID: <s1d5e5ac.094@mroute.sunint.co.za>


Hi All,

Carlos, you are right of course.  We are all in danger of taking
ourselves too seriously......from time to time, when the going gets
contentious, we should take a deep breath and get things in perspective.
 Humour, for instance is frequently misunderstood.  We forget we are
sometimes talking to folks on the other side of the planet, and not the
next office, although I for one, usually wish it were.

But when all is said and done, this list eclispses any other I have
ever been on by a long shot.  I have made some of my best friends around
those annoying, temperamental marvels, Nakamichi.  Huge thank you to
Wouter Heijke in Netherlands for that.

Happy New Year to everyone reading this and by the way Gerald, after
all this pontification, I qualify for the "stupidist" after spending the
last 10 minutes stating the obvious.  As Carlos would say......Ha!!

Cheers,

Marc



>>> timbarrett at cox.net 12/31/04 08:25PM >>>
Actually, I'm going to be experiencing my own version of surround sound

tomorrow when we visit with the mother-in-law......

neil lipes wrote:

> Tim:
>
> What about my wife's format?
>
>> From: Tim Barrett <timbarrett at cox.net>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:14:43 -0500
>>
>> This made me sit back and take stock of all of the various 
>> information storage formats that I've seen come and go, and it's a 
>> little mind-boggling.  The earliest audio recording format I recall

>> playing with was an old wire recorder at an uncle's house.  We were

>> visiting, and to keep the kids occupied for awhile he dug this thing

>> out of a closet somewhere and showed us how to work it.  I was 
>> fascinated by it!  The fidelity was terrible, but I didn't realize 
>> that at the time.
>>
>> But think about it.  Wire recording, tape recording (in all of the 
>> various flavors and permutations), vinyl recording (shellacs, too),

>> optical recording (on film, on disc), solid state recording in
memory 
>> devices.
>>
>> Help me out here.  What did I miss?  Formats come and go.  How many

>> more will come and go in our lifetimes?
>>
>> This Nakophiliac wishes the best for the rest of you, for this year

>> and the years to come.  May our favorite formats continue to
enthrall 
>> us as we find even newer ones to exploit.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> Of course our favourite format is dead - that's WHY we're called
>>> Nakophiliacs ...  hee hee!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On

>>>> Behalf Of neil lipes
>>>> Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33
>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com 
>>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stan:
>>>>
>>>> No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks

>>>> which
>>>> bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important

>>>> "tweak"
>>>> factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter
>>>> for an Akai
>>>> M-6 recorder?
>>>>
>>>> Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>> NYC, NY.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From ti at amb.org  Fri Dec 31 23:59:12 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:59:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Happy new year to everyone
Message-ID: <20041231225912.0A6DF17D42@smtp.amb.org>

May 2005 bring happiness to you and your loved ones, as well as much
enjoyment from your treasured Naks!

-Ti
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 19:45:01 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:45:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <41D59995.7000400@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F334EC069DF05AED9D9059A9E9D0@phx.gbl>

FUNNY!!  & TRUE!!!

>From: Tim Barrett <timbarrett at cox.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:25:25 -0500
>
>Actually, I'm going to be experiencing my own version of surround sound 
>tomorrow when we visit with the mother-in-law......
>
>neil lipes wrote:
>
>>Tim:
>>
>>What about my wife's format?
>>
>>>From: Tim Barrett <timbarrett at cox.net>
>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>>>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:14:43 -0500
>>>
>>>This made me sit back and take stock of all of the various information 
>>>storage formats that I've seen come and go, and it's a little 
>>>mind-boggling.  The earliest audio recording format I recall playing with 
>>>was an old wire recorder at an uncle's house.  We were visiting, and to 
>>>keep the kids occupied for awhile he dug this thing out of a closet 
>>>somewhere and showed us how to work it.  I was fascinated by it!  The 
>>>fidelity was terrible, but I didn't realize that at the time.
>>>
>>>But think about it.  Wire recording, tape recording (in all of the 
>>>various flavors and permutations), vinyl recording (shellacs, too), 
>>>optical recording (on film, on disc), solid state recording in memory 
>>>devices.
>>>
>>>Help me out here.  What did I miss?  Formats come and go.  How many more 
>>>will come and go in our lifetimes?
>>>
>>>This Nakophiliac wishes the best for the rest of you, for this year and 
>>>the years to come.  May our favorite formats continue to enthrall us as 
>>>we find even newer ones to exploit.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>Nelson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Of course our favourite format is dead - that's WHY we're called
>>>>Nakophiliacs ...  hee hee!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>>>>Behalf Of neil lipes
>>>>>Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33
>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Stan:
>>>>>
>>>>>No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel decks 
>>>>>which
>>>>>bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important 
>>>>>"tweak"
>>>>>factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter
>>>>>for an Akai
>>>>>M-6 recorder?
>>>>>
>>>>>Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
>>>>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>>>NYC, NY.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From martinferreira at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 20:02:01 2004
From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:02:01 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
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From compu_dude at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 31 20:35:25 2004
From: compu_dude at earthlink.net (Compudude)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:35:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
References: <BAY103-F74F851A21BE783FAF45ED9E9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008301c4ef6f$e37aca20$2402a8c0@WorkGroup>

There is www.deadmedia.org site. For example the "elcaset" format is in the
list there.
Happy 2005 everyone!
_Fuad

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From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"


> Not as long as folks still listen and enjoy!
>
> Speak about rare formats......remember the RCA 4-track cassette from the
> late 50's and early 60's?
>
> >From: greynolds at newsguy.com
> >Reply-To: greynolds at newsguy.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
Decks
> ><naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
> >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:52:11 -0500
> >
> >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >
> > > No format will ever die.....
> >
> >Hasn't 8-Track officially died? :)
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From flifton at mac.com  Fri Dec 31 21:19:10 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:19:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: List:  no longer a "FAMILY
In-Reply-To: <200412311815.iBVIFgHZ009641@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200412311815.iBVIFgHZ009641@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <3B09FBEE-5B69-11D9-8D4F-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Greetings Nakkers,
Well, I can't speak to the "old days" as I'm a relative new-comer (2 
years and counting), but I love this list. I've learned an enormous 
amount from the experts here, who are amazingly generous with their 
time and display amazing tolerance of idiots like me. I also deeply 
appreciate the opportunity to talk with people all around the world. 
For better or worse (I'd say worse), the US is very insular; even in a 
big city like Portland it's hard, sometimes, to feel connected to the 
rest of the world. Naktalk helps me feel I have that connection, 
through a mutual love of good electronics and good music.

Yeah, there's been some slander and squabbling on the list, but as 
someone else already pointed out, that is how families behave. As long 
we remain civil and recognize that our similarities are more important 
than our differences, I'm all for a heated exchange and often some good 
can come of it. Stephen did get raked over the coals, but he also had a 
number of staunch defenders and received some truly heart-felt offers 
of help and testimonials. And that's a good thing.

So I think we should all be proud of our Nakaphilia and fellow 
Nakaphiliacs. In today's political climate, that any group of diverse 
individuals are talking to each other at all should be considered a 
victory for humanity.

On this New Year's Eve, then, I want to wish every Nakker a happy, 
healthy and peaceful New Year. I especially want to send all those in 
Southeast Asia my hopes that they are safe and well and my deepest 
sympathy for any losses. I wish there was more I could do than send 
money to Oxfam.
affectionately,
Fred



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 21:57:08 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:57:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Best New Year
In-Reply-To: <001601c4ef79$d5943e00$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F17F916C0036569B3A88A519E9D0@phx.gbl>

Remember Robert.........Analog RULES!!!!!!!!!

>From: <rjkent at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Best New Year
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:46:42 -0800
>
>Hi Wouter,
>
>Good to hear from you occasionally, and thank you for all the effort you 
>put into maintaining this site year after year.  It is greatly appreciated 
>by almost all of us.  I can't tell you how much help I get from 
>contributions by our regular members:  Ti, Marc, Kent, Carlos, Kannan, 
>Bleus, John, Tom, Fred, Kermit, Neil, Stan, Gra', Ron, Scott, Roland, Alex, 
>and in charge of creative writing....Gerald.  I'm sure I've missed a bunch, 
>but to all who try to help, thank you!!!!! and wishing everyone a great new 
>year!
>
>I'm sure that the tragedy in the South Pacific is on all of our minds, so I 
>won't repeat what has already been well said by others.
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Dec 31 23:07:24 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:07:24 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year to all
Message-ID: <20041231220724.NWPI16610.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

I'd like to wish all a very happy New Year and continued success with Navtalk.

Even though I presently do not own a Nak, I do enjoy the knowledge that is passed along.  Some of you guys I swear were design engineers for Nakamichi and the rest were the historians for Nakamichi!!

God bless you all and Toto too!!

Roland

Roland



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec 31 18:54:34 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:54:34 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F40DE999999B90956975F549E9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801c4ef61$c964a920$639d4c51@oemcomputer>

Wow, Neil!  That must be some woman you have there, buddy,  Does she have a
sister?  I'm thinking of trading mine in for a newer model ...

But watch out for those high temperatures ... 50' ... global warming ...
save energy by sharing the shower ... probably after that Sangria and
Cognac.

I've saving energy by sleeping more and grilling my food  on the heat sink
of my Sugden A21 ... it gets hot ...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: 31 December 2004 17:32
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
>
>
> Nelson:
>
> Getting ready to travel the mile and a half to Times Square, and
> ring in the
> new year!.. Temps here in NYC are about 50 degrees...for this
> time of year
> that....is amazing!
>
> Am taking out my wife for a lobster dinner at the top place for
> the creature
> in NYC.....I've reserved a nice ten pounder....and told the
> management the
> Sangria I want cut with Cognac...this will allow the wife to take
> advantage
> of me later this evening!
>
> Neil
>
> >From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
> >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:08:05 -0000
> >
> >Of course our favorite format is dead - that's WHY we're called
> >Nakophiliacs ...  hee hee!
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of neil lipes
> > > Sent: 31 December 2004 16:33
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] List: no longer a "FAMILY"
> > >
> > >
> > > Stan:
> > >
> > > No format will ever die.....I still maintain three open reel
> decks which
> > > bring tremendous joy, both in listening and for the all important
> >"tweak"
> > > factor!  What would life be if I were not looking for a VU Meter
> > > for an Akai
> > > M-6 recorder?
> > >
> > > Happy new year to all on the list.....life is fragile at best...
> > >
> > > Neil
> > > NYC, NY.
> > >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Feb  1 00:38:51 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:38:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
Message-ID: <1752-401C3C8B-5778@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

hi sir,any possible way i can get my hands on one of those transfers?
sounds like it would be a rare listning opportunity and even on my
tri-tracer or rx-303.

thank you very much,
gerald



From sven.schroeder8 at epost.de  Sun Feb  1 12:42:11 2004
From: sven.schroeder8 at epost.de (Sven L.M. Schroeder)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:42:11 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] On Yamaha's Play-Trim...
Message-ID: <IGEKLPADNGNNAFFHLJJKEEDOCOAA.sven.schroeder8@epost.de>

Hi everyone

I recently bought an el-cheapo 3-head Yamaha cassette deck (KX-650) on Ebay.
It has that 'play-trim' feature which allegedly compensates for azimuthal
alignment problems when playing back tapes... Now, I don't seem to find any
device inside that moves the playback head, and irrespective of the tape I
put in, the high frequencies are always strongest at 'maximum play-trim',
which doesn't seem right.

So I conclude it has no resemblance whatsoever to the azimuthal alignment on
my CR7 - it's just a circuit, essentially a glorified 'treble' dial with a
present frequency response - ... right?

Sven

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb  1 13:01:46 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:01:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] On Yamaha's Play-Trim...
In-Reply-To: <IGEKLPADNGNNAFFHLJJKEEDOCOAA.sven.schroeder8@epost.de>
Message-ID: <000001c3e8bb$2a882640$196c893e@oemcomputer>

Mark Hugo said of it:

"Yamaha normally feature play trim, but this is an electronic attempt(cheap)
to remedy a mechanical anomaly (expensive) and thus, for the golden eared
brigade, ultimately fails to fix the problem.  Play trim on NADs and Yamahas
attempts to restore the theoretical 1-f frequency curve in music, if these
frequencies are attenuated. "

It's not to be confused with the similarly electronic Pioneer FLEX  remedy,
of which he also said:

"FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency
curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where
these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due
to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity.  And
this, azimuth control cannot do. The range of frequencies subject to
boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more
straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim.  If anyone has not tried this
feature with a truly nackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear opener!!
But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmmm, nothing.
You just can't catch it out!!"

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Sven L.M. Schroeder
> Sent: 01 February 2004 11:42
> To: Naktalk
> Subject: [naktalk] On Yamaha's Play-Trim...
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I recently bought an el-cheapo 3-head Yamaha cassette deck
> (KX-650) on Ebay.
> It has that 'play-trim' feature which allegedly compensates for azimuthal
> alignment problems when playing back tapes... Now, I don't seem
> to find any
> device inside that moves the playback head, and irrespective of the tape I
> put in, the high frequencies are always strongest at 'maximum play-trim',
> which doesn't seem right.
>
> So I conclude it has no resemblance whatsoever to the azimuthal
> alignment on
> my CR7 - it's just a circuit, essentially a glorified 'treble' dial with a
> present frequency response - ... right?
>
> Sven
>
> --
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> ---
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Feb  1 14:44:00 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:44:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] On Yamaha's Play-Trim...
References: <IGEKLPADNGNNAFFHLJJKEEDOCOAA.sven.schroeder8@epost.de>
Message-ID: <005a01c3e8c9$72b01a00$56064f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi im getting a lot of emails with the new virus that has been distributed
n32 or something be careful
pr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sven L.M. Schroeder" <sven.schroeder8 at epost.de>
To: "Naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: [naktalk] On Yamaha's Play-Trim...


> Hi everyone
>
> I recently bought an el-cheapo 3-head Yamaha cassette deck (KX-650) on
Ebay.
> It has that 'play-trim' feature which allegedly compensates for azimuthal
> alignment problems when playing back tapes... Now, I don't seem to find
any
> device inside that moves the playback head, and irrespective of the tape I
> put in, the high frequencies are always strongest at 'maximum play-trim',
> which doesn't seem right.
>
> So I conclude it has no resemblance whatsoever to the azimuthal alignment
on
> my CR7 - it's just a circuit, essentially a glorified 'treble' dial with a
> present frequency response - ... right?
>
> Sven
>
> --
> Sven L.M. Schroeder (mailto:slms100 at compuserve.com)
> ---
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb  1 20:28:45 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:28:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1
References: <14871-401C2406-1557@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <002001c3e8f9$9cff8cc0$5f773242@CopyTech>

Nice analysis, G. The 2nd. track was mine.No salsa or merengue, but a mix of
rock-reggae thing. I mastered that project in 1999 and it sold 50,000
copies, that in PR is a good sales indication. I like the 1st track big band
thing from Ron. The 3rd is, I guess, a song in African or something like
that.
My cousin, Mr. Bleus, has a better information about it.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 1:54 PM
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1


> hi,so many tracks that i am enjoying off the marathon tape cd#1.personal
> preferencews are very subjective,but here goes.TRACK1-im not much into
> big band,but the sound was so perfectly recorded,that i really enjoyed
> listening to it..TRACK2-nice merengue-salsa rythym,bon vivant, and very
> clear,tight sound .TRACK3very enjoyable hypnotic-rythmic tune,great
> background percussion and triangles,sweet voices TRACK4-id like to know
> the history of this pop-punk-fun.was it recorded live at the venue by
> the contributor using portable equipment?TRACK5-Great driving folk
> ballad with strong vocals and lyrics;who is it?TRACK6-one of my
> favourites,cause i love percussion based music with bongos,tablas -all
> kinds of stuff(like DAFFOS);great strings! TRACK7 Awesome production,the
> clear ,crisp cymbals are great,and the rythm is so tight TRACK8-my
> favourite!little blind fish!!wowowow,love it!little blind fish staring
> in a mirror,HA!superb acoustic arrangement and sound!TRACK9Is this a
> show tunethe guitar is so swet and jazzy that its apparent the
> contributor had top notch gear and real recording
> expertice.TRACK10superlativ hi definitionsound.love the lyrics.wonder
> who the artist is
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb  1 20:34:06 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:34:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech>

Dick:

You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still going strong.
Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and completely fine
machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I have kept my
Dragon.

I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II and one of
my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little thing simply
amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such clarity from a
500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the 500, so, go
figures ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck


> Gerald and Alan,
>
> And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!  You can
> achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has play azimuth
> adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon sounds. I'm
> especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I made into
my
> Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in wonderful
church
> acoustics on Maxell tape.
>
> On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a fundraising
> project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in Texas a few
> years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back saying, "are
> you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine for
archival
> transfers...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
>
> (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon transport/head
assembly,
> and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Feb  1 16:31:59 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 10:31:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1
References: <14871-401C2406-1557@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <00b301c3e8d8$88df6e70$56116343@johnnyrotten>

Gerald,

Check out http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html for
Marathon CD contents. I just got my CD's but haven't compared CD line up
with website. We must ask Bleus to align webpage listings with the project
song order, if it needs it. Mr. Bleus are you there?

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 4:54 PM
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1


hi,so many tracks that i am enjoying off the marathon tape cd#1.personal
preferencews are very subjective,but here goes.TRACK1-im not much into
big band,but the sound was so perfectly recorded,that i really enjoyed
listening to it..TRACK2-nice merengue-salsa rythym,bon vivant, and very
clear,tight sound .TRACK3very enjoyable hypnotic-rythmic tune,great
background percussion and triangles,sweet voices TRACK4-id like to know
the history of this pop-punk-fun.was it recorded live at the venue by
the contributor using portable equipment?TRACK5-Great driving folk
ballad with strong vocals and lyrics;who is it?TRACK6-one of my
favourites,cause i love percussion based music with bongos,tablas -all
kinds of stuff(like DAFFOS);great strings! TRACK7 Awesome production,the
clear ,crisp cymbals are great,and the rythm is so tight TRACK8-my
favourite!little blind fish!!wowowow,love it!little blind fish staring
in a mirror,HA!superb acoustic arrangement and sound!TRACK9Is this a
show tunethe guitar is so swet and jazzy that its apparent the
contributor had top notch gear and real recording
expertice.TRACK10superlativ hi definitionsound.love the lyrics.wonder
who the artist is

thank you very much,
gerald

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb  1 20:41:03 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:41:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] On Yamaha's Play-Trim...
References: <IGEKLPADNGNNAFFHLJJKEEDOCOAA.sven.schroeder8@epost.de>
	<005a01c3e8c9$72b01a00$56064f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <007401c3e8fb$543a7b60$5f773242@CopyTech>

Me too. That's the damm MY Doom shit. Fortunately the AVG program I have
capture it on the line. But, everyday, I receive around 15-20 with that
miserable bug inside.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "p r" <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] On Yamaha's Play-Trim...


> hi im getting a lot of emails with the new virus that has been distributed
> n32 or something be careful
> pr
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sven L.M. Schroeder" <sven.schroeder8 at epost.de>
> To: "Naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:42 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] On Yamaha's Play-Trim...
>
>
> > Hi everyone
> >
> > I recently bought an el-cheapo 3-head Yamaha cassette deck (KX-650) on
> Ebay.
> > It has that 'play-trim' feature which allegedly compensates for
azimuthal
> > alignment problems when playing back tapes... Now, I don't seem to find
> any
> > device inside that moves the playback head, and irrespective of the tape
I
> > put in, the high frequencies are always strongest at 'maximum
play-trim',
> > which doesn't seem right.
> >
> > So I conclude it has no resemblance whatsoever to the azimuthal
alignment
> on
> > my CR7 - it's just a circuit, essentially a glorified 'treble' dial with
a
> > present frequency response - ... right?
> >
> > Sven
> >
> > --
> > Sven L.M. Schroeder (mailto:slms100 at compuserve.com)
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Feb  1 16:38:34 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 10:38:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1>
	<002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten>

Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure you did
knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes. Aston
Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-) I'm saving
CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything together and
make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck


Dick:

You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still going strong.
Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and completely fine
machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I have kept my
Dragon.

I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II and one of
my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little thing simply
amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such clarity from a
500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the 500, so, go
figures ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck


> Gerald and Alan,
>
> And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!  You can
> achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has play azimuth
> adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon sounds. I'm
> especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I made into
my
> Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in wonderful
church
> acoustics on Maxell tape.
>
> On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a fundraising
> project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in Texas a few
> years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back saying, "are
> you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine for
archival
> transfers...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
>
> (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon transport/head
assembly,
> and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb  1 20:48:20 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:48:20 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1
References: <14871-401C2406-1557@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
	<00b301c3e8d8$88df6e70$56116343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <008c01c3e8fc$58ac37f0$5f773242@CopyTech>

As soon as every contributor got its CD, we can identify all of the
selections.

AT least we know Ronis #1 on CD 1 and mine's is #2 on CD 1. Mr Bleus
Santana's selection is oin CD #2.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1


> Gerald,
>
> Check out http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html for
> Marathon CD contents. I just got my CD's but haven't compared CD line up
> with website. We must ask Bleus to align webpage listings with the project
> song order, if it needs it. Mr. Bleus are you there?
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 4:54 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1
>
>
> hi,so many tracks that i am enjoying off the marathon tape cd#1.personal
> preferencews are very subjective,but here goes.TRACK1-im not much into
> big band,but the sound was so perfectly recorded,that i really enjoyed
> listening to it..TRACK2-nice merengue-salsa rythym,bon vivant, and very
> clear,tight sound .TRACK3very enjoyable hypnotic-rythmic tune,great
> background percussion and triangles,sweet voices TRACK4-id like to know
> the history of this pop-punk-fun.was it recorded live at the venue by
> the contributor using portable equipment?TRACK5-Great driving folk
> ballad with strong vocals and lyrics;who is it?TRACK6-one of my
> favourites,cause i love percussion based music with bongos,tablas -all
> kinds of stuff(like DAFFOS);great strings! TRACK7 Awesome production,the
> clear ,crisp cymbals are great,and the rythm is so tight TRACK8-my
> favourite!little blind fish!!wowowow,love it!little blind fish staring
> in a mirror,HA!superb acoustic arrangement and sound!TRACK9Is this a
> show tunethe guitar is so swet and jazzy that its apparent the
> contributor had top notch gear and real recording
> expertice.TRACK10superlativ hi definitionsound.love the lyrics.wonder
> who the artist is
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb  1 20:53:29 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:53:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1><002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech>
	<00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <009601c3e8fd$10e35650$5f773242@CopyTech>

That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest due to
higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every member the
set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.

The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:

Fuad Tokad
Rob Hamilton

Important Message:

If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please notify me
off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6 colleagues
waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to go into the
extra work of a second run.

Thanks !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck


> Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure you did
> knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes. Aston
> Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-) I'm
saving
> CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything together and
> make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
>
>
> Dick:
>
> You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still going
strong.
> Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and completely
fine
> machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I have kept
my
> Dragon.
>
> I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II and one of
> my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little thing
simply
> amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such clarity from a
> 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the 500, so,
go
> figures ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
>
>
> > Gerald and Alan,
> >
> > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!  You can
> > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has play
azimuth
> > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon sounds. I'm
> > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I made into
> my
> > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in wonderful
> church
> > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> >
> > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a fundraising
> > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in Texas a
few
> > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back saying,
"are
> > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine for
> archival
> > transfers...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Richard
> > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> >
> > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon transport/head
> assembly,
> > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> >
> >
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >
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> >
>
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Feb  1 17:04:02 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:04:02 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1><002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech><00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten>
	<009601c3e8fd$10e35650$5f773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000901c3e8dd$029d3720$61116343@johnnyrotten>

Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and realize that units
were shipped in order of received funds.

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest due to
higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every member the
set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.

The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:

Fuad Tokad
Rob Hamilton

Important Message:

If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please notify me
off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6 colleagues
waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to go into the
extra work of a second run.

Thanks !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck


> Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure you did
> knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes. Aston
> Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-) I'm
saving
> CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything together and
> make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
>
>
> Dick:
>
> You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still going
strong.
> Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and completely
fine
> machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I have kept
my
> Dragon.
>
> I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II and one of
> my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little thing
simply
> amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such clarity from a
> 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the 500, so,
go
> figures ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
>
>
> > Gerald and Alan,
> >
> > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!  You can
> > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has play
azimuth
> > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon sounds. I'm
> > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I made into
> my
> > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in wonderful
> church
> > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> >
> > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a fundraising
> > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in Texas a
few
> > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back saying,
"are
> > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine for
> archival
> > transfers...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Richard
> > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> >
> > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon transport/head
> assembly,
> > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> >
> >
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >
>
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb  1 18:51:41 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:51:41 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <000001c3e8ec$0cb7bdc0$4ba387d9@oemcomputer>

Oh, nice idea, John.  I'll surely invest in that project!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> Sent: 01 February 2004 15:39
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
>
>
> Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure you did
> knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes. Aston
> Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-)
> I'm saving
> CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything together and
> make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.
>
> John T.
>



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Feb  1 19:25:33 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:25:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
In-Reply-To: <000001c3e8ec$0cb7bdc0$4ba387d9@oemcomputer>
References: <000001c3e8ec$0cb7bdc0$4ba387d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <401D449D.8080501@rcn.com>

Nelson wrote:
> Oh, nice idea, John.  I'll surely invest in that project!
> 
> Gra'
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of John M. Tooley
>>Sent: 01 February 2004 15:39
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
>>
>>
>>Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure you did
>>knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes. Aston
>>Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-)
>>I'm saving
>>CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything together and
>>make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.

I intended to do that all along. Nothing artistic,
just a list of tracks for the back of the jewel
case and the more detailed data from Mr. Bleus'
web page (correctly re-arranged) on a double sheet
'booklet'. Will be happy to share the results of
this effort with any interested party.

-- Ron


>>
>>John T.
>>
> 
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Sun Feb  1 19:42:40 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:42:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
In-Reply-To: <000001c3e8ec$0cb7bdc0$4ba387d9@oemcomputer>
References: <00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <401D0250.10880.5D62B14@localhost>

Yes, I'm interested in jackets for the CD's also and would be happy to 
contribute in a useful way.  I've done this sort of thing before for my own 
use, and have some of the programs and pre-cut papers on hand.  The 
most difficult part of the whole process is deciding on the artwork!

I've received my CD's and have done a quick breeze through them, but 
not a full listen.  I know two of the pieces, and believe I recongnize 
another one or two of the performers but can't be sure.  It's a nice set of 
music and fun to listen to.  There's one piece that sounds southeast 
Asian that got my wife's attention very quickly.

The Marathon project turned out nicely.  If there's interest in doing REV 
2, I'd like to be a contributor.

tim



> Oh, nice idea, John.  I'll surely invest in that project!
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 01 February 2004 15:39 To: Talk about
> > Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak
> > deck
> >
> >
> > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure
> > you did knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
> > tastes. Aston Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer
> > budget! ;-) I'm saving CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I
> > can get everything together and make some booklets for our Marathon
> > CD's if anybody is interested.
> >
> > John T.
> >
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb  2 01:23:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:23:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1><002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech><00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten><009601c3e8fd$10e35650$5f773242@CopyTech>
	<000901c3e8dd$029d3720$61116343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <000d01c3e922$c4a651e0$bd773242@CopyTech>

Enjoy it, John !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


> Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and realize that
units
> were shipped in order of received funds.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
>
>
> That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest due to
> higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every member the
> set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
>
> The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
>
> Fuad Tokad
> Rob Hamilton
>
> Important Message:
>
> If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please notify me
> off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6 colleagues
> waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to go into
the
> extra work of a second run.
>
> Thanks !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
>
>
> > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure you
did
> > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes. Aston
> > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-) I'm
> saving
> > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything together
and
> > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> >
> >
> > Dick:
> >
> > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still going
> strong.
> > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and completely
> fine
> > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I have kept
> my
> > Dragon.
> >
> > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II and one
of
> > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little thing
> simply
> > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such clarity from
a
> > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the 500, so,
> go
> > figures ...
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> >
> >
> > > Gerald and Alan,
> > >
> > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!  You
can
> > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has play
> azimuth
> > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon sounds. I'm
> > > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I made
into
> > my
> > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in wonderful
> > church
> > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > >
> > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a
fundraising
> > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in Texas a
> few
> > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back saying,
> "are
> > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine for
> > archival
> > > transfers...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > >
> > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon transport/head
> > assembly,
> > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Feb  1 21:26:55 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:26:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
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That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a track listing?

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


Enjoy it, John !

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


> Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and realize that
units
> were shipped in order of received funds.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
>
>
> That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest due to
> higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every member the
> set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
>
> The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
>
> Fuad Tokad
> Rob Hamilton
>
> Important Message:
>
> If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please notify me
> off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6 colleagues
> waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to go into
the
> extra work of a second run.
>
> Thanks !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
>
>
> > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure you
did
> > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes. Aston
> > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-) I'm
> saving
> > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything together
and
> > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> >
> >
> > Dick:
> >
> > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still going
> strong.
> > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and completely
> fine
> > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I have kept
> my
> > Dragon.
> >
> > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II and one
of
> > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little thing
> simply
> > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such clarity from
a
> > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the 500, so,
> go
> > figures ...
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> >
> >
> > > Gerald and Alan,
> > >
> > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!  You
can
> > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has play
> azimuth
> > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon sounds. I'm
> > > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I made
into
> > my
> > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in wonderful
> > church
> > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > >
> > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a
fundraising
> > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in Texas a
> few
> > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back saying,
> "are
> > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine for
> > archival
> > > transfers...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > >
> > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon transport/head
> > assembly,
> > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb  2 01:33:19 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:33:19 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
References: <00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten>
	<401D0250.10880.5D62B14@localhost>
Message-ID: <004101c3e924$28a82af0$bd773242@CopyTech>

We should do one each year. We started with 2003, now 2004 is the next. As
soon as we finish this one, let's start doing our selections individually.
We'll then send the tapes for mastering and duplication.

If somebody else has a duplication tower with at least 3 or 4 drives, could
take the duplication in charge. I do the mastering and send the masters to
him. If somebody else wants to do the inserts, that's ok too. If not, then,
I'll do everything again. No problem.

Yeah, this time we'll share the load because is not as easy as I thought. Mr
Bleus wanted to help but he doesn't have the duplication facilities.

Any ideas ?

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <timbarrett at cox.net>
To: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>; <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck


> Yes, I'm interested in jackets for the CD's also and would be happy to
> contribute in a useful way.  I've done this sort of thing before for my
own
> use, and have some of the programs and pre-cut papers on hand.  The
> most difficult part of the whole process is deciding on the artwork!
>
> I've received my CD's and have done a quick breeze through them, but
> not a full listen.  I know two of the pieces, and believe I recongnize
> another one or two of the performers but can't be sure.  It's a nice set
of
> music and fun to listen to.  There's one piece that sounds southeast
> Asian that got my wife's attention very quickly.
>
> The Marathon project turned out nicely.  If there's interest in doing REV
> 2, I'd like to be a contributor.
>
> tim
>
>
>
> > Oh, nice idea, John.  I'll surely invest in that project!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 01 February 2004 15:39 To: Talk about
> > > Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak
> > > deck
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure
> > > you did knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
> > > tastes. Aston Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer
> > > budget! ;-) I'm saving CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I
> > > can get everything together and make some booklets for our Marathon
> > > CD's if anybody is interested.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > >
> >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Feb  1 21:53:00 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:53:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] little blind fish
Message-ID: <9188-401D672C-67@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>

hi,just a comment on my favourite selection on CD1.,little blind fish.I
might just be a  a "little blind fish" staring in a mirror..no matter
how much you look to see,unless there is some metaphysical vison ,you
really just end up like the lil blind fish starin back at yourself in
the mirror.Is this too deep,and is it only just a silly song aout some
lil fishies?

thank you very much,
gerald



From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Feb  1 23:22:27 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:22:27 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk & Marathon Tapes Project
Message-ID: <005501c3e911$e05134c0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Greetings!

Just catching up on reading the last week's worth of NakTalk Digests.......

Really nice reading about the first impressions of the Nak Marathon Tapes project music on cdr discs.  Carlos, you've done good work getting the mastering and distribution together.  Many thanks, I'm sure others concur.  My understanding now is that we have a need to realign the playlist from what was the original sequence of marathoners making the recordings.  Carlos has revamped the playlist to make for a pleasant experience by listeners, a nice added touch to the final product.  The Marathon Tapes Project webpages are ready for updating, all we need to do is re-compile comments from the original contributors, and I'll revise the listing on the webpages.

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

When I receive my copies of the music (on the way to me from Carlos' villa in east coast Puerto Rico), I'll have a better idea of the final version of music sequence, and then can proceed with playlist updates on the webpages.  Shall we take this discussion off of the NakTalk eGroup list, to avoid inconveniencing others in the NakTalk readership with off-topic like project issues?  I'm okay with either method, what do others have in opinion?  Keep it on NakTalk, or email directly to Bleus & Carlos?  Easy to do the latter, just remember to avoid doing replies to NakTalk, change the "To: line" on your emails to <kjbleus at charter.net; copytec at coqui.net>.  

I will await discussion before making any actions on the webpages.  Also, I'm planning to create a j-card insert for the cassette version of the Marathon Tapes Project, which, as I described earlier, the music from the cdrs will nicely fit onto a quality 100 min cassette (Maxell XLIIS 100 is what I'm planning for my use).  I'll desktop publish a compact sized playlist, credits, etc. to incorporate into the cassette j-card format. Anyone who is going to transpose to cassette, let me know later and we'll distribute the graphics for the cassette j-card via email attachment.  Someone else can spearhead graphics for the cdr version of the project.

Regards,

Bleus
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Feb  1 23:16:48 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:16:48 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D37B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Gerald, I think if track 10 is the last track on the CD then it's my
contribution. The artist is Elvis Costello and the song is called I almost
had a weakness, the musicians are the Brodsky quartet. This was an analog
recording done in the studio, the only digital medium was the cd I recorded
of it.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net]
Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2004 8:54 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1


hi,so many tracks that i am enjoying off the marathon tape cd#1.personal
preferencews are very subjective,but here goes.TRACK1-im not much into
big band,but the sound was so perfectly recorded,that i really enjoyed
listening to it..TRACK2-nice merengue-salsa rythym,bon vivant, and very
clear,tight sound .TRACK3very enjoyable hypnotic-rythmic tune,great
background percussion and triangles,sweet voices TRACK4-id like to know
the history of this pop-punk-fun.was it recorded live at the venue by
the contributor using portable equipment?TRACK5-Great driving folk
ballad with strong vocals and lyrics;who is it?TRACK6-one of my
favourites,cause i love percussion based music with bongos,tablas -all
kinds of stuff(like DAFFOS);great strings! TRACK7 Awesome production,the
clear ,crisp cymbals are great,and the rythm is so tight TRACK8-my
favourite!little blind fish!!wowowow,love it!little blind fish staring
in a mirror,HA!superb acoustic arrangement and sound!TRACK9Is this a
show tunethe guitar is so swet and jazzy that its apparent the
contributor had top notch gear and real recording
expertice.TRACK10superlativ hi definitionsound.love the lyrics.wonder
who the artist is

thank you very much,
gerald

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From RTLehe at aol.com  Mon Feb  2 03:27:53 2004
From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:27:53 EST
Subject: [naktalk] On Yamaha's Play-Trim...
Message-ID: <bc.430d7da7.2d4f0fa9@aol.com>

The play trim is better than just a treble control for two reasons.  It is 
designed with typical cassette tape response deviations in view, so it is more 
effective than the tone controls on a pre-amp.  Also, it works ahead of the 
Dolby circuit, so it helps keep response deviations from causing Dolby mistaking. 
 Play trim has one advantage over the Nakamichi azimuth ajustment.  It can 
deal with response deviations caused by other factors than azimuth misalignment, 
such as playback response inconsistancies between different decks, recordings 
that have lost high frequency content with the passage of time, or tapes that 
were recorded with improperly adjusted bias.  In my experience with two 
Yamaha decks that had Play Trim, I have found it to be a very useful feature for 
playing old tapes made on different decks.

Tad
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb  2 09:17:41 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:17:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
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Message-ID: <000b01c3e965$07dc9090$17773242@CopyTech>

Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


> That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a track listing?
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
>
>
> Enjoy it, John !
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
>
>
> > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and realize that
> units
> > were shipped in order of received funds.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest due to
> > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every member
the
> > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> >
> > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> >
> > Fuad Tokad
> > Rob Hamilton
> >
> > Important Message:
> >
> > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please notify
me
> > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6 colleagues
> > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to go into
> the
> > extra work of a second run.
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> >
> >
> > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure you
> did
> > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes. Aston
> > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-) I'm
> > saving
> > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything together
> and
> > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > >
> > >
> > > Dick:
> > >
> > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still going
> > strong.
> > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and
completely
> > fine
> > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I have
kept
> > my
> > > Dragon.
> > >
> > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II and
one
> of
> > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little thing
> > simply
> > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such clarity
from
> a
> > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the 500,
so,
> > go
> > > figures ...
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > >
> > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!  You
> can
> > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has play
> > azimuth
> > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon sounds.
I'm
> > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I made
> into
> > > my
> > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in wonderful
> > > church
> > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > >
> > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a
> fundraising
> > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in Texas
a
> > few
> > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back saying,
> > "are
> > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine for
> > > archival
> > > > transfers...
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > >
> > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon transport/head
> > > assembly,
> > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb  2 09:22:17 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:22:17 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk & Marathon Tapes Project
References: <005501c3e911$e05134c0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <003201c3e965$abf11ca0$17773242@CopyTech>

Nice touch, Bleus. In my opinion, since 95% or so in this list are in the Marathon Tape saga and the rest were really interested in our project, I think we can continue using this side. 

Either way, it is ok with me.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: KJ Bleus 
  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:22 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk & Marathon Tapes Project


  Greetings!

  Just catching up on reading the last week's worth of NakTalk Digests.......

  Really nice reading about the first impressions of the Nak Marathon Tapes project music on cdr discs.  Carlos, you've done good work getting the mastering and distribution together.  Many thanks, I'm sure others concur.  My understanding now is that we have a need to realign the playlist from what was the original sequence of marathoners making the recordings.  Carlos has revamped the playlist to make for a pleasant experience by listeners, a nice added touch to the final product.  The Marathon Tapes Project webpages are ready for updating, all we need to do is re-compile comments from the original contributors, and I'll revise the listing on the webpages.

  http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

  When I receive my copies of the music (on the way to me from Carlos' villa in east coast Puerto Rico), I'll have a better idea of the final version of music sequence, and then can proceed with playlist updates on the webpages.  Shall we take this discussion off of the NakTalk eGroup list, to avoid inconveniencing others in the NakTalk readership with off-topic like project issues?  I'm okay with either method, what do others have in opinion?  Keep it on NakTalk, or email directly to Bleus & Carlos?  Easy to do the latter, just remember to avoid doing replies to NakTalk, change the "To: line" on your emails to <kjbleus at charter.net; copytec at coqui.net>.  

  I will await discussion before making any actions on the webpages.  Also, I'm planning to create a j-card insert for the cassette version of the Marathon Tapes Project, which, as I described earlier, the music from the cdrs will nicely fit onto a quality 100 min cassette (Maxell XLIIS 100 is what I'm planning for my use).  I'll desktop publish a compact sized playlist, credits, etc. to incorporate into the cassette j-card format. Anyone who is going to transpose to cassette, let me know later and we'll distribute the graphics for the cassette j-card via email attachment.  Someone else can spearhead graphics for the cdr version of the project.

  Regards,

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb  2 09:22:53 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:22:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D37B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <003a01c3e965$c1e70f60$17773242@CopyTech>

Good ! We have 3 already.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1


> Hi Gerald, I think if track 10 is the last track on the CD then it's my
> contribution. The artist is Elvis Costello and the song is called I almost
> had a weakness, the musicians are the Brodsky quartet. This was an analog
> recording done in the studio, the only digital medium was the cd I
recorded
> of it.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net]
> Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2004 8:54
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape cd1
>
>
> hi,so many tracks that i am enjoying off the marathon tape cd#1.personal
> preferencews are very subjective,but here goes.TRACK1-im not much into
> big band,but the sound was so perfectly recorded,that i really enjoyed
> listening to it..TRACK2-nice merengue-salsa rythym,bon vivant, and very
> clear,tight sound .TRACK3very enjoyable hypnotic-rythmic tune,great
> background percussion and triangles,sweet voices TRACK4-id like to know
> the history of this pop-punk-fun.was it recorded live at the venue by
> the contributor using portable equipment?TRACK5-Great driving folk
> ballad with strong vocals and lyrics;who is it?TRACK6-one of my
> favourites,cause i love percussion based music with bongos,tablas -all
> kinds of stuff(like DAFFOS);great strings! TRACK7 Awesome production,the
> clear ,crisp cymbals are great,and the rythm is so tight TRACK8-my
> favourite!little blind fish!!wowowow,love it!little blind fish staring
> in a mirror,HA!superb acoustic arrangement and sound!TRACK9Is this a
> show tunethe guitar is so swet and jazzy that its apparent the
> contributor had top notch gear and real recording
> expertice.TRACK10superlativ hi definitionsound.love the lyrics.wonder
> who the artist is
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From jazzao at primus.com.au  Mon Feb  2 12:40:58 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:40:58 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
Message-ID: <401E374A.7090602@primus.com.au>

Hi all,

Just recorded some Peter Stuart songs (lots of acoustic guitar and piano 
folk melodies) on TDK SA using my LX3.  I played it back using a Studer 
A710 Mk II deck which I borrowed from a friend (he does not record tapes 
anymore).  The recording sounds sensational.  I have not detected any 
anomaly of using the LX3 to record and playing it back on the Studer.  I 
know that this is an older deck to the Revox B215/Studer A715. 

Stephen recommended the B215 to me along with the CR7 when I was looking 
for another deck.  Does anyone have any experiences with these older 
Revox/Studers?  Would the Dragon be better at playback? 

I was going to use the 700ZXE which Stephen will refurbish as primarily 
a recording deck and have another for playback when funds allow.  The 
price for the Studer would be less than a third of the price of the 
Dragon on going US ebay rates.  Should I grab it or save more of my 
pennies to get a Dragon later on.

Cheers
Al



From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Mon Feb  2 13:40:55 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:40:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
Message-ID: <s01dff15.075@mail.anderson.edu>

John, Ron, Tim, et all,
 
Whenever the "jacket" gets sorted out, I'd be interested in getting one also.
 
Kent


>>> timbarrett at cox.net 02/01/04 01:42PM >>>
Yes, I'm interested in jackets for the CD's also and would be happy to 
contribute in a useful way.  I've done this sort of thing before for my own 
use, and have some of the programs and pre-cut papers on hand.  The 
most difficult part of the whole process is deciding on the artwork!

I've received my CD's and have done a quick breeze through them, but 
not a full listen.  I know two of the pieces, and believe I recongnize 
another one or two of the performers but can't be sure.  It's a nice set of 
music and fun to listen to.  There's one piece that sounds southeast 
Asian that got my wife's attention very quickly.

The Marathon project turned out nicely.  If there's interest in doing REV 
2, I'd like to be a contributor.

tim



> Oh, nice idea, John.  I'll surely invest in that project!
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
> > Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 01 February 2004 15:39 To: Talk about
> > Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak
> > deck
> >
> >
> > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure
> > you did knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
> > tastes. Aston Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer
> > budget! ;-) I'm saving CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I
> > can get everything together and make some booklets for our Marathon
> > CD's if anybody is interested.
> >
> > John T.
> >
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From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:16:44 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
References: <401E374A.7090602@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <002001c3e9b0$55abbc60$62773242@CopyTech>

The B 710 MK II is the predecessor of the B 215. Almost identical mechanics
but very different electronics. One of my favorites and I still have one. As
for playback, I'll still choose the Dragon. I prefer to record in the Revox
because it has a tendency to have a more "flat" natural sound and any tape
you record there would sound excellent anywhere else. Not so with some Naks.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Olan" <jazzao at primus.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:40 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII


> Hi all,
>
> Just recorded some Peter Stuart songs (lots of acoustic guitar and piano
> folk melodies) on TDK SA using my LX3.  I played it back using a Studer
> A710 Mk II deck which I borrowed from a friend (he does not record tapes
> anymore).  The recording sounds sensational.  I have not detected any
> anomaly of using the LX3 to record and playing it back on the Studer.  I
> know that this is an older deck to the Revox B215/Studer A715.
>
> Stephen recommended the B215 to me along with the CR7 when I was looking
> for another deck.  Does anyone have any experiences with these older
> Revox/Studers?  Would the Dragon be better at playback?
>
> I was going to use the 700ZXE which Stephen will refurbish as primarily
> a recording deck and have another for playback when funds allow.  The
> price for the Studer would be less than a third of the price of the
> Dragon on going US ebay rates.  Should I grab it or save more of my
> pennies to get a Dragon later on.
>
> Cheers
> Al
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Feb  2 14:21:15 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:21:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710
	MKII
Message-ID: <s01e6af8.031@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Howzit Al,

I enjoyed your post on the LX-3 recordings that you played back on the
ReVox A710.  Of course, now you must be careful not to show your friend
how good it sounds, or that ReVox will be back at his place in no time!!
 Actually the A710 is one of my favourites, perhaps THE favourite ReVox.
 It has beautiful, balanced looks, the doorless, centre-mount
trransport.  Very unfussy, all the basics married to top-quality
engineering.

A few on the list will advise along the following lines:  The 2 special
things about ReVox are that they are 

(1)servicable by the dealershipand spares are available and, 
(2) they are tough.  

Tougher than Nak, sad to say.  I know that the same has been said of
Tandberg but I'm afraid the agricultural looks are something I'll have
to forego!!

Good luck,

Marc





>>> jazzao at primus.com.au 02/02/04 01:40PM >>>
Hi all,

Just recorded some Peter Stuart songs (lots of acoustic guitar and
piano 
folk melodies) on TDK SA using my LX3.  I played it back using a Studer

A710 Mk II deck which I borrowed from a friend (he does not record
tapes 
anymore).  The recording sounds sensational.  I have not detected any 
anomaly of using the LX3 to record and playing it back on the Studer. 
I 
know that this is an older deck to the Revox B215/Studer A715. 

Stephen recommended the B215 to me along with the CR7 when I was
looking 
for another deck.  Does anyone have any experiences with these older 
Revox/Studers?  Would the Dragon be better at playback? 

I was going to use the 700ZXE which Stephen will refurbish as primarily

a recording deck and have another for playback when funds allow.  The 
price for the Studer would be less than a third of the price of the 
Dragon on going US ebay rates.  Should I grab it or save more of my 
pennies to get a Dragon later on.

Cheers
Al

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Feb  2 14:25:58 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Mon,  2 Feb 2004 08:25:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
In-Reply-To: <000b01c3e965$07dc9090$17773242@CopyTech>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1><002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech><00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten><009601c3e8fd$10e35650$5f773242@CopyTech><000901c3e8dd$029d3720$61116343@johnnyrotten><000d01c3e922$c4a651e0$bd773242@CopyTech>
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	<000b01c3e965$07dc9090$17773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1075728358.401e4fe6554d3@mail.ce.net>

Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that. Question, is that 
just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> 
> 
> > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a track
> listing?
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > Enjoy it, John !
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and realize that
> > units
> > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest due to
> > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every member
> the
> > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > >
> > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > >
> > > Fuad Tokad
> > > Rob Hamilton
> > >
> > > Important Message:
> > >
> > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please notify
> me
> > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6 colleagues
> > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to go
> into
> > the
> > > extra work of a second run.
> > >
> > > Thanks !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure you
> > did
> > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes. Aston
> > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-) I'm
> > > saving
> > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything
> together
> > and
> > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dick:
> > > >
> > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still going
> > > strong.
> > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and
> completely
> > > fine
> > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I have
> kept
> > > my
> > > > Dragon.
> > > >
> > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II and
> one
> > of
> > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little thing
> > > simply
> > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such clarity
> from
> > a
> > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the 500,
> so,
> > > go
> > > > figures ...
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > >
> > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!  You
> > can
> > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has play
> > > azimuth
> > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon sounds.
> I'm
> > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I made
> > into
> > > > my
> > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in
> wonderful
> > > > church
> > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > >
> > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a
> > fundraising
> > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in
> Texas
> a
> > > few
> > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back
> saying,
> > > "are
> > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine for
> > > > archival
> > > > > transfers...
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon transport/head
> > > > assembly,
> > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Feb  2 14:27:56 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Mon,  2 Feb 2004 08:27:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk & Marathon Tapes Project
In-Reply-To: <003201c3e965$abf11ca0$17773242@CopyTech>
References: <005501c3e911$e05134c0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<003201c3e965$abf11ca0$17773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1075728476.401e505c7eca4@mail.ce.net>

I agree as sometimes this forum lacks support, postings.

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Nice touch, Bleus. In my opinion, since 95% or so in this list are in the
> Marathon Tape saga and the rest were really interested in our project, I
> think we can continue using this side. 
> 
> Either way, it is ok with me.
> 
> Carlos
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: KJ Bleus 
>   To: naktalk at naks.com 
>   Cc: KJ Bleus 
>   Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:22 PM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk & Marathon Tapes Project
> 
> 
>   Greetings!
> 
>   Just catching up on reading the last week's worth of NakTalk
> Digests.......
> 
>   Really nice reading about the first impressions of the Nak Marathon Tapes
> project music on cdr discs.  Carlos, you've done good work getting the
> mastering and distribution together.  Many thanks, I'm sure others concur. 
> My understanding now is that we have a need to realign the playlist from what
> was the original sequence of marathoners making the recordings.  Carlos has
> revamped the playlist to make for a pleasant experience by listeners, a nice
> added touch to the final product.  The Marathon Tapes Project webpages are
> ready for updating, all we need to do is re-compile comments from the
> original contributors, and I'll revise the listing on the webpages.
> 
>   http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html
> 
>   When I receive my copies of the music (on the way to me from Carlos' villa
> in east coast Puerto Rico), I'll have a better idea of the final version of
> music sequence, and then can proceed with playlist updates on the webpages. 
> Shall we take this discussion off of the NakTalk eGroup list, to avoid
> inconveniencing others in the NakTalk readership with off-topic like project
> issues?  I'm okay with either method, what do others have in opinion?  Keep
> it on NakTalk, or email directly to Bleus & Carlos?  Easy to do the latter,
> just remember to avoid doing replies to NakTalk, change the "To: line" on
> your emails to <kjbleus at charter.net; copytec at coqui.net>.  
> 
>   I will await discussion before making any actions on the webpages.  Also,
> I'm planning to create a j-card insert for the cassette version of the
> Marathon Tapes Project, which, as I described earlier, the music from the
> cdrs will nicely fit onto a quality 100 min cassette (Maxell XLIIS 100 is
> what I'm planning for my use).  I'll desktop publish a compact sized
> playlist, credits, etc. to incorporate into the cassette j-card format.
> Anyone who is going to transpose to cassette, let me know later and we'll
> distribute the graphics for the cassette j-card via email attachment. 
> Someone else can spearhead graphics for the cdr version of the project.
> 
>   Regards,
> 
>   Bleus
> 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Feb  2 14:44:11 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Mon,  2 Feb 2004 08:44:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
In-Reply-To: <401E374A.7090602@primus.com.au>
References: <401E374A.7090602@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <1075729451.401e542ba0f84@mail.ce.net>

Stephen has two ReVox B215's of mine awaiting service. When they are finished 
they will be for sale. I already have another two B 215's that Stephen has 
already breathed on, one at home and one at work, both are very stable great 
sounding decks. I bought these 5 decks, one was sold already, via eBay from a 
top end duplicator in CA.

John T.

Quoting Alan Olan <jazzao at primus.com.au>:

> Hi all,
> 
> Just recorded some Peter Stuart songs (lots of acoustic guitar and piano 
> folk melodies) on TDK SA using my LX3.  I played it back using a Studer 
> A710 Mk II deck which I borrowed from a friend (he does not record tapes 
> anymore).  The recording sounds sensational.  I have not detected any 
> anomaly of using the LX3 to record and playing it back on the Studer.  I 
> know that this is an older deck to the Revox B215/Studer A715. 
> 
> Stephen recommended the B215 to me along with the CR7 when I was looking 
> for another deck.  Does anyone have any experiences with these older 
> Revox/Studers?  Would the Dragon be better at playback? 
> 
> I was going to use the 700ZXE which Stephen will refurbish as primarily 
> a recording deck and have another for playback when funds allow.  The 
> price for the Studer would be less than a third of the price of the 
> Dragon on going US ebay rates.  Should I grab it or save more of my 
> pennies to get a Dragon later on.
> 
> Cheers
> Al
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Mon Feb  2 18:37:11 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:37:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
In-Reply-To: <s01dff15.075@mail.anderson.edu>
References: <s01dff15.075@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <401E8AC7.5060402@rcn.com>


I intend to do the leaflet, jewel case back and CD label
with Neato's 'Media Face', a program designed exactly
for this sort of thing.

Not surprisingly, Neato have a proprietary file format,
all their own, that cannot be read by other applications.
It will be futile to email Neato files to anyone that
doesn't have Media Face installed on their machine. Also
not surprisingly, Neato intended that the output be
printed on Neato label and/or card stock, that happens
to be kinda pricey (at least, it was, the last time I
got some).

I am waiting for my CD set with baited breath. Once it
arrives and the artwork is ready, I will post a note
to that effect. At that point, I will be happy to snail
mail a set, printed on regular paper, to anyone that
will send me a stamped, addressed envelope.

-- Ron




Kent Merideth wrote:

> John, Ron, Tim, et all,
>  
> Whenever the "jacket" gets sorted out, I'd be interested in getting one also.
>  
> Kent
> 
> 
> 
>>>>timbarrett at cox.net 02/01/04 01:42PM >>>
> 
> Yes, I'm interested in jackets for the CD's also and would be happy to 
> contribute in a useful way.  I've done this sort of thing before for my own 
> use, and have some of the programs and pre-cut papers on hand.  The 
> most difficult part of the whole process is deciding on the artwork!
> 
> I've received my CD's and have done a quick breeze through them, but 
> not a full listen.  I know two of the pieces, and believe I recongnize 
> another one or two of the performers but can't be sure.  It's a nice set of 
> music and fun to listen to.  There's one piece that sounds southeast 
> Asian that got my wife's attention very quickly.
> 
> The Marathon project turned out nicely.  If there's interest in doing REV 
> 2, I'd like to be a contributor.
> 
> tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>Oh, nice idea, John.  I'll surely invest in that project!
>>
>>Gra'
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
>>>Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 01 February 2004 15:39 To: Talk about
>>>Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak
>>>deck
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure
>>>you did knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
>>>tastes. Aston Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer
>>>budget! ;-) I'm saving CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I
>>>can get everything together and make some booklets for our Marathon
>>>CD's if anybody is interested.
>>>
>>>John T.





From bookfairy at rockbridge.net  Mon Feb  2 19:24:00 2004
From: bookfairy at rockbridge.net (bookfairy at rockbridge.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:24:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Play Trim control
Message-ID: <20040202182400203.AAA2044@ns.rockbridge.net@mail.rockbridge.net>

On some later Yamaha decks, the Play trim seems to work independently of, or after the Dolby circuits.  When playing a tape recorded with Dolby OFF, on my NAD decks and Yamaha KX630, the Play Trim has no effect.  On my Later Yamaha decks, KX650, KX470R, and others, the Play Trim works with Dolby OFF.
If Play Trim only affects the level before it is fed into the Dolby circuits, then Play Trim should do nothing to the sound when Dolby is not used.  Play Trim on My NAD, and Yamaha KX630 does nothing with Dolby OFF.   
   To me, the tonal response characteristics of the Play Trim sounds better than the treble control on the amplifier, on all my decks with Play Trim.  ---James Bakner




From eddy.pollet at pandora.be  Mon Feb  2 19:35:13 2004
From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:35:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet
In-Reply-To: <200402021743.i12HhOjv028406@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <BC4456F1.D0DB%eddy.pollet@pandora.be>

Ron wrote :
   Not surprisingly, Neato have a proprietary file format,
        all their own, that cannot be read by other applications.

Hi, I'm not sure if it'll work, but perhaps it would be possible to print to
a PDF-writer, thus making it readable for all (and editable for those that
have Photoshop) .

Eddy 
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From jazzao at primus.com.au  Mon Feb  2 20:00:14 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:00:14 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
Message-ID: <401E9E3E.3050004@primus.com.au>

Carlos,

Do you use the Revox for recording and then the Dragon for playback?  
I've already purchased the 700ZXE and Stephen will be working on it 
soon.  He was going to do some mods which in his opinion will bring it 
to the CR7 status for recording/playback.  I know the big disadvantage 
is that it does not have the playback azumith adjustment.  Would the 
recording on the Revox sound any good on the 700ZXE?  I've got to try 
recording on the Studer and see how it sound in the LX3.

Thanks
Alan



From jazzao at primus.com.au  Mon Feb  2 20:10:03 2004
From: jazzao at primus.com.au (Alan Olan)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:10:03 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
Message-ID: <401EA08B.7010407@primus.com.au>

John,

Stephen told me about your B215's.  Love to get one of those if I decide 
to ask my friend to sell his A710 just depending on availability of 
funds of course.

Have you ever recorded on the B215 and playback on a Nak?  I want a deck 
which would be good for making tapes for my Landrover.  Sick of the 
laser alingment of CD/s when I go four wheel driving in the Australian 
country side.

But since I've got a 700ZXE, I'd want another Nak for playback in the 
office.

Cheers
Alan



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Mon Feb  2 21:20:59 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:20:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Leaflet
In-Reply-To: <BC4456F1.D0DB%eddy.pollet@pandora.be>
References: <BC4456F1.D0DB%eddy.pollet@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <401EB12B.1040003@rcn.com>

POLLET Eddy wrote:

> Ron wrote :
>    Not surprisingly, Neato have a proprietary file format,
>         all their own, that cannot be read by other applications.
> 
> Hi, I'm not sure if it'll work, but perhaps it would be possible to print to
> a PDF-writer, thus making it readable for all (and editable for those that
> have Photoshop) .
> 
> Eddy

Thanks for the idea. I'll try it with the free on-line
pdf generator.

-- Ron


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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb  3 01:50:45 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:50:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710MKII
References: <s01e6af8.031@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000d01c3e9ef$c23c8eb0$45773242@CopyTech>

Agricultural look ? Ha ! That's a good one, Marc. I have one of those at
home and I can say that it's not beautiful but it is an excellent machine.
It is the only high end deck that still been made today on special order.
Only problem is the price tag: $4,000 !!!!!

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <jazzao at primus.com.au>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710MKII


> Howzit Al,
>
> I enjoyed your post on the LX-3 recordings that you played back on the
> ReVox A710.  Of course, now you must be careful not to show your friend
> how good it sounds, or that ReVox will be back at his place in no time!!
>  Actually the A710 is one of my favourites, perhaps THE favourite ReVox.
>  It has beautiful, balanced looks, the doorless, centre-mount
> trransport.  Very unfussy, all the basics married to top-quality
> engineering.
>
> A few on the list will advise along the following lines:  The 2 special
> things about ReVox are that they are
>
> (1)servicable by the dealershipand spares are available and,
> (2) they are tough.
>
> Tougher than Nak, sad to say.  I know that the same has been said of
> Tandberg but I'm afraid the agricultural looks are something I'll have
> to forego!!
>
> Good luck,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> jazzao at primus.com.au 02/02/04 01:40PM >>>
> Hi all,
>
> Just recorded some Peter Stuart songs (lots of acoustic guitar and
> piano
> folk melodies) on TDK SA using my LX3.  I played it back using a Studer
>
> A710 Mk II deck which I borrowed from a friend (he does not record
> tapes
> anymore).  The recording sounds sensational.  I have not detected any
> anomaly of using the LX3 to record and playing it back on the Studer.
> I
> know that this is an older deck to the Revox B215/Studer A715.
>
> Stephen recommended the B215 to me along with the CR7 when I was
> looking
> for another deck.  Does anyone have any experiences with these older
> Revox/Studers?  Would the Dragon be better at playback?
>
> I was going to use the 700ZXE which Stephen will refurbish as primarily
>
> a recording deck and have another for playback when funds allow.  The
> price for the Studer would be less than a third of the price of the
> Dragon on going US ebay rates.  Should I grab it or save more of my
> pennies to get a Dragon later on.
>
> Cheers
> Al
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb  3 01:55:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:55:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1><002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech><00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten><009601c3e8fd$10e35650$5f773242@CopyTech><000901c3e8dd$029d3720$61116343@johnnyrotten><000d01c3e922$c4a651e0$bd773242@CopyTech><003701c3e901$bc6d61b0$8e106343@johnnyrotten><000b01c3e965$07dc9090$17773242@CopyTech>
	<1075728358.401e4fe6554d3@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <001301c3e9f0$5a847980$45773242@CopyTech>

Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one is a
bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD display. It is
an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. You can do
it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.

That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like that...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


> Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that. Question, is
that
> just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>
> > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a track
> > listing?
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > Enjoy it, John !
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and realize
that
> > > units
> > > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest due
to
> > > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every
member
> > the
> > > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > > >
> > > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > > >
> > > > Fuad Tokad
> > > > Rob Hamilton
> > > >
> > > > Important Message:
> > > >
> > > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please
notify
> > me
> > > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6
colleagues
> > > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to go
> > into
> > > the
> > > > extra work of a second run.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks !
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure
you
> > > did
> > > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes.
Aston
> > > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-)
I'm
> > > > saving
> > > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything
> > together
> > > and
> > > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.
> > > > >
> > > > > John T.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dick:
> > > > >
> > > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still
going
> > > > strong.
> > > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and
> > completely
> > > > fine
> > > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I
have
> > kept
> > > > my
> > > > > Dragon.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II
and
> > one
> > > of
> > > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little
thing
> > > > simply
> > > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such
clarity
> > from
> > > a
> > > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the
500,
> > so,
> > > > go
> > > > > figures ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!
You
> > > can
> > > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has
play
> > > > azimuth
> > > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon
sounds.
> > I'm
> > > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I
made
> > > into
> > > > > my
> > > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in
> > wonderful
> > > > > church
> > > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a
> > > fundraising
> > > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in
> > Texas
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back
> > saying,
> > > > "are
> > > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine
for
> > > > > archival
> > > > > > transfers...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon
transport/head
> > > > > assembly,
> > > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb  3 01:56:22 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:56:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
References: <401E374A.7090602@primus.com.au>
	<1075729451.401e542ba0f84@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c3e9f0$8af6f890$45773242@CopyTech>

Are they still in New Mexico ? Wow ! I remember these decks from last year.

Carlos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII


> Stephen has two ReVox B215's of mine awaiting service. When they are
finished
> they will be for sale. I already have another two B 215's that Stephen has
> already breathed on, one at home and one at work, both are very stable
great
> sounding decks. I bought these 5 decks, one was sold already, via eBay
from a
> top end duplicator in CA.
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting Alan Olan <jazzao at primus.com.au>:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just recorded some Peter Stuart songs (lots of acoustic guitar and piano
> > folk melodies) on TDK SA using my LX3.  I played it back using a Studer
> > A710 Mk II deck which I borrowed from a friend (he does not record tapes
> > anymore).  The recording sounds sensational.  I have not detected any
> > anomaly of using the LX3 to record and playing it back on the Studer.  I
> > know that this is an older deck to the Revox B215/Studer A715.
> >
> > Stephen recommended the B215 to me along with the CR7 when I was looking
> > for another deck.  Does anyone have any experiences with these older
> > Revox/Studers?  Would the Dragon be better at playback?
> >
> > I was going to use the 700ZXE which Stephen will refurbish as primarily
> > a recording deck and have another for playback when funds allow.  The
> > price for the Studer would be less than a third of the price of the
> > Dragon on going US ebay rates.  Should I grab it or save more of my
> > pennies to get a Dragon later on.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Al
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb  3 01:59:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:59:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
References: <s01dff15.075@mail.anderson.edu> <401E8AC7.5060402@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c3e9f0$e94a0130$45773242@CopyTech>

That's the program I used for the CD labels and in there you'll find a
matching design for your cd inserts art.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck


>
> I intend to do the leaflet, jewel case back and CD label
> with Neato's 'Media Face', a program designed exactly
> for this sort of thing.
>
> Not surprisingly, Neato have a proprietary file format,
> all their own, that cannot be read by other applications.
> It will be futile to email Neato files to anyone that
> doesn't have Media Face installed on their machine. Also
> not surprisingly, Neato intended that the output be
> printed on Neato label and/or card stock, that happens
> to be kinda pricey (at least, it was, the last time I
> got some).
>
> I am waiting for my CD set with baited breath. Once it
> arrives and the artwork is ready, I will post a note
> to that effect. At that point, I will be happy to snail
> mail a set, printed on regular paper, to anyone that
> will send me a stamped, addressed envelope.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
>
> Kent Merideth wrote:
>
> > John, Ron, Tim, et all,
> >
> > Whenever the "jacket" gets sorted out, I'd be interested in getting one
also.
> >
> > Kent
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>timbarrett at cox.net 02/01/04 01:42PM >>>
> >
> > Yes, I'm interested in jackets for the CD's also and would be happy to
> > contribute in a useful way.  I've done this sort of thing before for my
own
> > use, and have some of the programs and pre-cut papers on hand.  The
> > most difficult part of the whole process is deciding on the artwork!
> >
> > I've received my CD's and have done a quick breeze through them, but
> > not a full listen.  I know two of the pieces, and believe I recongnize
> > another one or two of the performers but can't be sure.  It's a nice set
of
> > music and fun to listen to.  There's one piece that sounds southeast
> > Asian that got my wife's attention very quickly.
> >
> > The Marathon project turned out nicely.  If there's interest in doing
REV
> > 2, I'd like to be a contributor.
> >
> > tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Oh, nice idea, John.  I'll surely invest in that project!
> >>
> >>Gra'
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >>>Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 01 February 2004 15:39 To: Talk about
> >>>Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak
> >>>deck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure
> >>>you did knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
> >>>tastes. Aston Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer
> >>>budget! ;-) I'm saving CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I
> >>>can get everything together and make some booklets for our Marathon
> >>>CD's if anybody is interested.
> >>>
> >>>John T.
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb  3 02:03:30 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:03:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
References: <401E9E3E.3050004@primus.com.au>
Message-ID: <004101c3e9f1$8eb5dfe0$45773242@CopyTech>

Well, Alan, it is my personal preference. The thing that I have found is
that when you record on some Naks it wouldn't play good unless is in another
Nak and we have discussed this topic before here. What I have found is that
anything that I record on the Revox plays well anywhere. Same with the
Tandberg 3014 A. The main difference is that I cand manually adjust the
recording azymuth on the 3014 and not so with the Revox,but, the later
analyze and adjust the bias and eq. automatically on each tape I record in
her.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Olan" <jazzao at primus.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII


> Carlos,
>
> Do you use the Revox for recording and then the Dragon for playback?
> I've already purchased the 700ZXE and Stephen will be working on it
> soon.  He was going to do some mods which in his opinion will bring it
> to the CR7 status for recording/playback.  I know the big disadvantage
> is that it does not have the playback azumith adjustment.  Would the
> recording on the Revox sound any good on the 700ZXE?  I've got to try
> recording on the Studer and see how it sound in the LX3.
>
> Thanks
> Alan
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Feb  3 00:16:00 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:16:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
Message-ID: <33a3cd133a3851.33a385133a3cd1@vsnl.net>


Thanks for letting out that secret - that track on Cd was going over 11 Minutes I suspected that you must have filled out with your choice! I am enjoying the music and wonderful recordings! The track of Shakti - it is actually a mix of south Indian Classical and Jazz - the percussion is actually a MUD Pot. Yeah South Inidan Classical musicians use that instrument literally keeping the mouth of the pot covered by their bare belly. Did anybody had seen Shakti playing ? 
Thanks everybody who is a part of this compilation
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
Date: Monday, February 2, 2004 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update

> Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one 
> is a
> bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD 
> display. It is
> an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. 
> You can do
> it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.
> 
> That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like 
> that...
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> 
> 
> > Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that. 
> Question, is
> that
> > just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
> >
> > John T.
> >
> > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> >
> > > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a 
> track> > listing?
> > > >
> > > > John T.




From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  3 01:21:59 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:21:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
References: <401E374A.7090602@primus.com.au><1075729451.401e542ba0f84@mail.ce.net>
	<001b01c3e9f0$8af6f890$45773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001301c3e9eb$bd37e850$58116343@johnnyrotten>

Same decks.

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII


Are they still in New Mexico ? Wow ! I remember these decks from last year.

Carlos


----- Original Message -----
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII


> Stephen has two ReVox B215's of mine awaiting service. When they are
finished
> they will be for sale. I already have another two B 215's that Stephen has
> already breathed on, one at home and one at work, both are very stable
great
> sounding decks. I bought these 5 decks, one was sold already, via eBay
from a
> top end duplicator in CA.
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting Alan Olan <jazzao at primus.com.au>:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just recorded some Peter Stuart songs (lots of acoustic guitar and piano
> > folk melodies) on TDK SA using my LX3.  I played it back using a Studer
> > A710 Mk II deck which I borrowed from a friend (he does not record tapes
> > anymore).  The recording sounds sensational.  I have not detected any
> > anomaly of using the LX3 to record and playing it back on the Studer.  I
> > know that this is an older deck to the Revox B215/Studer A715.
> >
> > Stephen recommended the B215 to me along with the CR7 when I was looking
> > for another deck.  Does anyone have any experiences with these older
> > Revox/Studers?  Would the Dragon be better at playback?
> >
> > I was going to use the 700ZXE which Stephen will refurbish as primarily
> > a recording deck and have another for playback when funds allow.  The
> > price for the Studer would be less than a third of the price of the
> > Dragon on going US ebay rates.  Should I grab it or save more of my
> > pennies to get a Dragon later on.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Al
> >
> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  3 01:23:47 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:23:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1><002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech><00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten><009601c3e8fd$10e35650$5f773242@CopyTech><000901c3e8dd$029d3720$61116343@johnnyrotten><000d01c3e922$c4a651e0$bd773242@CopyTech><003701c3e901$bc6d61b0$8e106343@johnnyrotten><000b01c3e965$07dc9090$17773242@CopyTech><1075728358.401e4fe6554d3@mail.ce.net>
	<001301c3e9f0$5a847980$45773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001d01c3e9eb$fd903a60$58116343@johnnyrotten>

Great! Does that mean I win the gold 1000 ZXL? ;-)

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one is a
bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD display. It is
an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. You can do
it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.

That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like that...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


> Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that. Question, is
that
> just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>
> > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a track
> > listing?
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > Enjoy it, John !
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and realize
that
> > > units
> > > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest due
to
> > > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every
member
> > the
> > > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > > >
> > > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > > >
> > > > Fuad Tokad
> > > > Rob Hamilton
> > > >
> > > > Important Message:
> > > >
> > > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please
notify
> > me
> > > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6
colleagues
> > > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to go
> > into
> > > the
> > > > extra work of a second run.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks !
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm sure
you
> > > did
> > > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes.
Aston
> > > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-)
I'm
> > > > saving
> > > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything
> > together
> > > and
> > > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is interested.
> > > > >
> > > > > John T.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dick:
> > > > >
> > > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still
going
> > > > strong.
> > > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and
> > completely
> > > > fine
> > > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I
have
> > kept
> > > > my
> > > > > Dragon.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II
and
> > one
> > > of
> > > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little
thing
> > > > simply
> > > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such
clarity
> > from
> > > a
> > > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the
500,
> > so,
> > > > go
> > > > > figures ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!
You
> > > can
> > > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has
play
> > > > azimuth
> > > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon
sounds.
> > I'm
> > > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I
made
> > > into
> > > > > my
> > > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in
> > wonderful
> > > > > church
> > > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a
> > > fundraising
> > > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in
> > Texas
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back
> > saying,
> > > > "are
> > > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine
for
> > > > > archival
> > > > > > transfers...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon
transport/head
> > > > > assembly,
> > > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> > > > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > > >
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> > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb  3 07:04:08 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:04:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
References: <33a3cd133a3851.33a385133a3cd1@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000901c3ea1b$89db40d0$a5773242@CopyTech>

Well, we have another track cleared ! I really liked that selection and was
asking myself who were they. Amazing percussion and violin !

Enjoy the music !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


>
> Thanks for letting out that secret - that track on Cd was going over 11
Minutes I suspected that you must have filled out with your choice! I am
enjoying the music and wonderful recordings! The track of Shakti - it is
actually a mix of south Indian Classical and Jazz - the percussion is
actually a MUD Pot. Yeah South Inidan Classical musicians use that
instrument literally keeping the mouth of the pot covered by their bare
belly. Did anybody had seen Shakti playing ?
> Thanks everybody who is a part of this compilation
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: Monday, February 2, 2004 4:55 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
>
> > Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one
> > is a
> > bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD
> > display. It is
> > an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's.
> > You can do
> > it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.
> >
> > That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like
> > that...
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > > Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that.
> > Question, is
> > that
> > > just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
> > >
> > > John T.
> > >
> > > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> > >
> > > > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a
> > track> > listing?
> > > > >
> > > > > John T.
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb  3 07:09:33 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:09:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
References: <401E374A.7090602@primus.com.au><1075729451.401e542ba0f84@mail.ce.net><001b01c3e9f0$8af6f890$45773242@CopyTech>
	<001301c3e9eb$bd37e850$58116343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <001c01c3ea1c$4c2d58d0$a5773242@CopyTech>

Long time, ah ? Well, Stephen is a very busy man but he's a superb
technician. Patience will pay dividends, I'm sure.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII


> Same decks.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710
MKII
>
>
> Are they still in New Mexico ? Wow ! I remember these decks from last
year.
>
> Carlos
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710
MKII
>
>
> > Stephen has two ReVox B215's of mine awaiting service. When they are
> finished
> > they will be for sale. I already have another two B 215's that Stephen
has
> > already breathed on, one at home and one at work, both are very stable
> great
> > sounding decks. I bought these 5 decks, one was sold already, via eBay
> from a
> > top end duplicator in CA.
> >
> > John T.
> >
> > Quoting Alan Olan <jazzao at primus.com.au>:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Just recorded some Peter Stuart songs (lots of acoustic guitar and
piano
> > > folk melodies) on TDK SA using my LX3.  I played it back using a
Studer
> > > A710 Mk II deck which I borrowed from a friend (he does not record
tapes
> > > anymore).  The recording sounds sensational.  I have not detected any
> > > anomaly of using the LX3 to record and playing it back on the Studer.
I
> > > know that this is an older deck to the Revox B215/Studer A715.
> > >
> > > Stephen recommended the B215 to me along with the CR7 when I was
looking
> > > for another deck.  Does anyone have any experiences with these older
> > > Revox/Studers?  Would the Dragon be better at playback?
> > >
> > > I was going to use the 700ZXE which Stephen will refurbish as
primarily
> > > a recording deck and have another for playback when funds allow.  The
> > > price for the Studer would be less than a third of the price of the
> > > Dragon on going US ebay rates.  Should I grab it or save more of my
> > > pennies to get a Dragon later on.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb  3 07:10:16 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:10:16 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1><002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech><00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten><009601c3e8fd$10e35650$5f773242@CopyTech><000901c3e8dd$029d3720$61116343@johnnyrotten><000d01c3e922$c4a651e0$bd773242@CopyTech><003701c3e901$bc6d61b0$8e106343@johnnyrotten><000b01c3e965$07dc9090$17773242@CopyTech><1075728358.401e4fe6554d3@mail.ce.net><001301c3e9f0$5a847980$45773242@CopyTech>
	<001d01c3e9eb$fd903a60$58116343@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <002301c3ea1c$668fa660$a5773242@CopyTech>

Yeah, plus a new B-215 S !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


> Great! Does that mean I win the gold 1000 ZXL? ;-)
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
>
>
> Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one is a
> bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD display. It is
> an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. You can
do
> it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.
>
> That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like that...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
>
>
> > Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that. Question, is
> that
> > just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
> >
> > John T.
> >
> > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> >
> > > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a track
> > > listing?
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy it, John !
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and realize
> that
> > > > units
> > > > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > > > >
> > > > > John T.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest
due
> to
> > > > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every
> member
> > > the
> > > > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > > > >
> > > > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > > > >
> > > > > Fuad Tokad
> > > > > Rob Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > > > Important Message:
> > > > >
> > > > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please
> notify
> > > me
> > > > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6
> colleagues
> > > > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to
go
> > > into
> > > > the
> > > > > extra work of a second run.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks !
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm
sure
> you
> > > > did
> > > > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes.
> Aston
> > > > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget! ;-)
> I'm
> > > > > saving
> > > > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything
> > > together
> > > > and
> > > > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is
interested.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dick:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still
> going
> > > > > strong.
> > > > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and
> > > completely
> > > > > fine
> > > > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I
> have
> > > kept
> > > > > my
> > > > > > Dragon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II
> and
> > > one
> > > > of
> > > > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little
> thing
> > > > > simply
> > > > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such
> clarity
> > > from
> > > > a
> > > > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the
> 500,
> > > so,
> > > > > go
> > > > > > figures ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK OUT!
> You
> > > > can
> > > > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has
> play
> > > > > azimuth
> > > > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon
> sounds.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings I
> made
> > > > into
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in
> > > wonderful
> > > > > > church
> > > > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a
> > > > fundraising
> > > > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods in
> > > Texas
> > > a
> > > > > few
> > > > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back
> > > saying,
> > > > > "are
> > > > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is fine
> for
> > > > > > archival
> > > > > > > transfers...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon
> transport/head
> > > > > > assembly,
> > > > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > >
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> > > > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > >
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> > >
> >
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========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb  3 07:22:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:22:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Set Up Date
References: <2a113cf2a14b0f.2a14b0f2a113cf@vsnl.net>
	<004b01c3e4e7$9eff0fc0$f71a0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <003901c3ea1e$08f07280$a5773242@CopyTech>

The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:

Richard Simpson-swiming to New Zealand
Kent Merideth - set going together with your beast ...and Revox Files copy
Yves Lombard - flying to France
Jonathan Ochi - running to Potato Land

Still waiting for 28 members ... mostly from Europe. Have 6 from the US on a
waiting list.

Richard, I received an email today from a fellow in your homeland of New
Zealand after he received the Revox files. He's from Wellington.

That's all by now, folks !

Carlos




From roleo at telus.net  Tue Feb  3 03:53:23 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:53:23 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Set Up Date
References: <2a113cf2a14b0f.2a14b0f2a113cf@vsnl.net><004b01c3e4e7$9eff0fc0$f71a0cd0@r7g1f8>
	<003901c3ea1e$08f07280$a5773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000901c3ea00$e3f91f80$6401a8c0@desktop>

Payment's in the mail! -- Canada


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Set Up Date


> The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> 
> Richard Simpson-swiming to New Zealand
> Kent Merideth - set going together with your beast ...and Revox Files copy
> Yves Lombard - flying to France
> Jonathan Ochi - running to Potato Land
> 
> Still waiting for 28 members ... mostly from Europe. Have 6 from the US on a
> waiting list.
> 
> Richard, I received an email today from a fellow in your homeland of New
> Zealand after he received the Revox files. He's from Wellington.
> 
> That's all by now, folks !
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> 



From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 06:22:36 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:22:36 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
Message-ID: <Sea2-F30ZxOASWTgZu600000529@hotmail.com>


Hi Carlos,

Is the CD already in distribution? What is your address for me to send 
payment to so I can order my copy? Thanks!

_________________________________________________________________
Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends 
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger



From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  3 14:01:07 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue,  3 Feb 2004 08:01:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
In-Reply-To: <002301c3ea1c$668fa660$a5773242@CopyTech>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1><002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech><00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten><009601c3e8fd$10e35650$5f773242@CopyTech><000901c3e8dd$029d3720$61116343@johnnyrotten><000d01c3e922$c4a651e0$bd773242@CopyTech><003701c3e901$bc6d61b0$8e106343@johnnyrotten><000b01c3e965$07dc9090$17773242@CopyTech><1075728358.401e4fe6554d3@mail.ce.net><001301c3e9f0$5a847980$45773242@CopyTech>
	<001d01c3e9eb$fd903a60$58116343@johnnyrotten>
	<002301c3ea1c$668fa660$a5773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1075813267.401f9b93b8597@mail.ce.net>

It gets better and better, I assume free overnight FedEx? ;-)

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Yeah, plus a new B-215 S !
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> 
> 
> > Great! Does that mean I win the gold 1000 ZXL? ;-)
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one is a
> > bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD display. It
> is
> > an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. You can
> do
> > it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.
> >
> > That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like
> that...
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > > Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that. Question,
> is
> > that
> > > just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
> > >
> > > John T.
> > >
> > > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> > >
> > > > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a track
> > > > listing?
> > > > >
> > > > > John T.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Enjoy it, John !
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and realize
> > that
> > > > > units
> > > > > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the rest
> due
> > to
> > > > > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every
> > member
> > > > the
> > > > > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fuad Tokad
> > > > > > Rob Hamilton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Important Message:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set, please
> > notify
> > > > me
> > > > > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6
> > colleagues
> > > > > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have to
> go
> > > > into
> > > > > the
> > > > > > extra work of a second run.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks !
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm
> sure
> > you
> > > > > did
> > > > > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive tastes.
> > Aston
> > > > > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget!
> ;-)
> > I'm
> > > > > > saving
> > > > > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get everything
> > > > together
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is
> interested.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dick:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and still
> > going
> > > > > > strong.
> > > > > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and
> > > > completely
> > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason I
> > have
> > > > kept
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > Dragon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK II
> > and
> > > > one
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That little
> > thing
> > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such
> > clarity
> > > > from
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered the
> > 500,
> > > > so,
> > > > > > go
> > > > > > > figures ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK
> OUT!
> > You
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that has
> > play
> > > > > > azimuth
> > > > > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon
> > sounds.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master recordings
> I
> > made
> > > > > into
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in
> > > > wonderful
> > > > > > > church
> > > > > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for a
> > > > > fundraising
> > > > > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some floods
> in
> > > > Texas
> > > > a
> > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote back
> > > > saying,
> > > > > > "are
> > > > > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is
> fine
> > for
> > > > > > > archival
> > > > > > > > transfers...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon
> > transport/head
> > > > > > > assembly,
> > > > > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >
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> >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >
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> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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> >
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> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> >
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> > >
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> >
> >
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> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  3 14:04:13 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue,  3 Feb 2004 08:04:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710 MKII
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It would be nice if Stephen could have one or two apprentices learning his 
craft and helping him get quality work out the door.

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Long time, ah ? Well, Stephen is a very busy man but he's a superb
> technician. Patience will pay dividends, I'm sure.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710
> MKII
> 
> 
> > Same decks.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710
> MKII
> >
> >
> > Are they still in New Mexico ? Wow ! I remember these decks from last
> year.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recorded on LX3, playback on Revox/Studer B/A710
> MKII
> >
> >
> > > Stephen has two ReVox B215's of mine awaiting service. When they are
> > finished
> > > they will be for sale. I already have another two B 215's that Stephen
> has
> > > already breathed on, one at home and one at work, both are very stable
> > great
> > > sounding decks. I bought these 5 decks, one was sold already, via eBay
> > from a
> > > top end duplicator in CA.
> > >
> > > John T.
> > >
> > > Quoting Alan Olan <jazzao at primus.com.au>:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Just recorded some Peter Stuart songs (lots of acoustic guitar and
> piano
> > > > folk melodies) on TDK SA using my LX3.  I played it back using a
> Studer
> > > > A710 Mk II deck which I borrowed from a friend (he does not record
> tapes
> > > > anymore).  The recording sounds sensational.  I have not detected any
> > > > anomaly of using the LX3 to record and playing it back on the Studer.
> I
> > > > know that this is an older deck to the Revox B215/Studer A715.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen recommended the B215 to me along with the CR7 when I was
> looking
> > > > for another deck.  Does anyone have any experiences with these older
> > > > Revox/Studers?  Would the Dragon be better at playback?
> > > >
> > > > I was going to use the 700ZXE which Stephen will refurbish as
> primarily
> > > > a recording deck and have another for playback when funds allow.  The
> > > > price for the Studer would be less than a third of the price of the
> > > > Dragon on going US ebay rates.  Should I grab it or save more of my
> > > > pennies to get a Dragon later on.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 02:04:56 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:04:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
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No, I'll take it personally.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


> It gets better and better, I assume free overnight FedEx? ;-)
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>
> > Yeah, plus a new B-215 S !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > > Great! Does that mean I win the gold 1000 ZXL? ;-)
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one is
a
> > > bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD display.
It
> > is
> > > an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. You
can
> > do
> > > it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.
> > >
> > > That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like
> > that...
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that.
Question,
> > is
> > > that
> > > > just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > >
> > > > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a
track
> > > > > listing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enjoy it, John !
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and
realize
> > > that
> > > > > > units
> > > > > > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the
rest
> > due
> > > to
> > > > > > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every
> > > member
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fuad Tokad
> > > > > > > Rob Hamilton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Important Message:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set,
please
> > > notify
> > > > > me
> > > > > > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6
> > > colleagues
> > > > > > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have
to
> > go
> > > > > into
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > extra work of a second run.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks !
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm
> > sure
> > > you
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
tastes.
> > > Aston
> > > > > > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget!
> > ;-)
> > > I'm
> > > > > > > saving
> > > > > > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get
everything
> > > > > together
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is
> > interested.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dick:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and
still
> > > going
> > > > > > > strong.
> > > > > > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and
> > > > > completely
> > > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason
I
> > > have
> > > > > kept
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > Dragon.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK
II
> > > and
> > > > > one
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That
little
> > > thing
> > > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such
> > > clarity
> > > > > from
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered
the
> > > 500,
> > > > > so,
> > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > figures ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK
> > OUT!
> > > You
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that
has
> > > play
> > > > > > > azimuth
> > > > > > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon
> > > sounds.
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master
recordings
> > I
> > > made
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in
> > > > > wonderful
> > > > > > > > church
> > > > > > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for
a
> > > > > > fundraising
> > > > > > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some
floods
> > in
> > > > > Texas
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote
back
> > > > > saying,
> > > > > > > "are
> > > > > > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is
> > fine
> > > for
> > > > > > > > archival
> > > > > > > > > transfers...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon
> > > transport/head
> > > > > > > > assembly,
> > > > > > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  3 22:46:01 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:46:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040131140419.02980db0@127.0.0.1><002501c3e8fa$5b5e98a0$5f773242@CopyTech><00bb01c3e8d9$74463010$56116343@johnnyrotten><009601c3e8fd$10e35650$5f773242@CopyTech><000901c3e8dd$029d3720$61116343@johnnyrotten><000d01c3e922$c4a651e0$bd773242@CopyTech><003701c3e901$bc6d61b0$8e106343@johnnyrotten><000b01c3e965$07dc9090$17773242@CopyTech><1075728358.401e4fe6554d3@mail.ce.net><001301c3e9f0$5a847980$45773242@CopyTech><001d01c3e9eb$fd903a60$58116343@johnnyrotten><002301c3ea1c$668fa660$a5773242@CopyTech><1075813267.401f9b93b8597@mail.ce.net>
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No, better idea, I fly to PR to claim my prize from Magnifico! ;-) Besides
you wouldn't like the cold weather up here.

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


No, I'll take it personally.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


> It gets better and better, I assume free overnight FedEx? ;-)
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>
> > Yeah, plus a new B-215 S !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > > Great! Does that mean I win the gold 1000 ZXL? ;-)
> > >
> > > John T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one is
a
> > > bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD display.
It
> > is
> > > an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. You
can
> > do
> > > it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.
> > >
> > > That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like
> > that...
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that.
Question,
> > is
> > > that
> > > > just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > >
> > > > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a
track
> > > > > listing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enjoy it, John !
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and
realize
> > > that
> > > > > > units
> > > > > > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the
rest
> > due
> > > to
> > > > > > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every
> > > member
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fuad Tokad
> > > > > > > Rob Hamilton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Important Message:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set,
please
> > > notify
> > > > > me
> > > > > > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6
> > > colleagues
> > > > > > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have
to
> > go
> > > > > into
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > extra work of a second run.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks !
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm
> > sure
> > > you
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
tastes.
> > > Aston
> > > > > > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget!
> > ;-)
> > > I'm
> > > > > > > saving
> > > > > > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get
everything
> > > > > together
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is
> > interested.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dick:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and
still
> > > going
> > > > > > > strong.
> > > > > > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and
> > > > > completely
> > > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason
I
> > > have
> > > > > kept
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > Dragon.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK
II
> > > and
> > > > > one
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That
little
> > > thing
> > > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such
> > > clarity
> > > > > from
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered
the
> > > 500,
> > > > > so,
> > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > figures ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK
> > OUT!
> > > You
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that
has
> > > play
> > > > > > > azimuth
> > > > > > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon
> > > sounds.
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master
recordings
> > I
> > > made
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in
> > > > > wonderful
> > > > > > > > church
> > > > > > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for
a
> > > > > > fundraising
> > > > > > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some
floods
> > in
> > > > > Texas
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote
back
> > > > > saying,
> > > > > > > "are
> > > > > > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is
> > fine
> > > for
> > > > > > > > archival
> > > > > > > > > transfers...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon
> > > transport/head
> > > > > > > > assembly,
> > > > > > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 03:12:40 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:12:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
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You are welcome.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update


> No, better idea, I fly to PR to claim my prize from Magnifico! ;-) Besides
> you wouldn't like the cold weather up here.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
>
>
> No, I'll take it personally.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
>
>
> > It gets better and better, I assume free overnight FedEx? ;-)
> >
> > John T.
> >
> > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> >
> > > Yeah, plus a new B-215 S !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Great! Does that mean I win the gold 1000 ZXL? ;-)
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:55 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one
is
> a
> > > > bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD display.
> It
> > > is
> > > > an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. You
> can
> > > do
> > > > it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.
> > > >
> > > > That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like
> > > that...
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that.
> Question,
> > > is
> > > > that
> > > > > just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
> > > > >
> > > > > John T.
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a
> track
> > > > > > listing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Enjoy it, John !
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and
> realize
> > > > that
> > > > > > > units
> > > > > > > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the
> rest
> > > due
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give
every
> > > > member
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fuad Tokad
> > > > > > > > Rob Hamilton
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Important Message:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set,
> please
> > > > notify
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6
> > > > colleagues
> > > > > > > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't
have
> to
> > > go
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > extra work of a second run.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks !
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which
I'm
> > > sure
> > > > you
> > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
> tastes.
> > > > Aston
> > > > > > > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer
budget!
> > > ;-)
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > saving
> > > > > > > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get
> everything
> > > > > > together
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is
> > > interested.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dick:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and
> still
> > > > going
> > > > > > > > strong.
> > > > > > > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new
and
> > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some
reason
> I
> > > > have
> > > > > > kept
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > Dragon.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710
MK
> II
> > > > and
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That
> little
> > > > thing
> > > > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect
such
> > > > clarity
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but
prefered
> the
> > > > 500,
> > > > > > so,
> > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > figures ...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper
azimuth--LOOK
> > > OUT!
> > > > You
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that
> has
> > > > play
> > > > > > > > azimuth
> > > > > > > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the
Dragon
> > > > sounds.
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master
> recordings
> > > I
> > > > made
> > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics
in
> > > > > > wonderful
> > > > > > > > > church
> > > > > > > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer
for
> a
> > > > > > > fundraising
> > > > > > > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some
> floods
> > > in
> > > > > > Texas
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote
> back
> > > > > > saying,
> > > > > > > > "are
> > > > > > > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B
is
> > > fine
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > archival
> > > > > > > > > > transfers...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon
> > > > transport/head
> > > > > > > > > assembly,
> > > > > > > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 03:17:16 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:17:16 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
Message-ID: <000c01c3eac5$029b1280$9a773242@CopyTech>

Folks:

I need input about the Nakamichi 582 deck.

Carlos


From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 00:08:34 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:08:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?
Message-ID: <20040203230834.48993.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com>

I just bought a used but in perfect shape Nakamichi
CR-3A cassette deck and would like to know what the
preferd blank tape is to use in Nak decks?Thanks for
any help..Keith H.

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Feb  4 00:17:04 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:17:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?
References: <20040203230834.48993.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c3eaab$d67cb4b0$23106343@johnnyrotten>

My choice would be Maxell XLII 90's. Sam Goody and others always have plenty
of them.

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Hugo" <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:08 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?


I just bought a used but in perfect shape Nakamichi
CR-3A cassette deck and would like to know what the
preferd blank tape is to use in Nak decks?Thanks for
any help..Keith H.

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Feb  4 01:14:33 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:14:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?
Message-ID: <3551a81354fe63.354fe633551a81@vsnl.net>

My recommendation for any Nak would be TDK MA metal or any other metal tape - Nak extracts best of metal tapes. You get fantastic Dynamic Range with low noise.

However if somebody wants cheaper alternative try TDK SA - very smooth or Maxell XLII and not very critical try TDK D with Dolby C  unbelievable low noise with smooth response. All this after a bit of head alignment and Calibration ( record bias and level for any of these tapes) as I find most of the used decks are not very optimally adjusted both head alignemnts / record level bias settings.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Hugo <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2004 3:08 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?

> I just bought a used but in perfect shape Nakamichi
> CR-3A cassette deck and would like to know what the
> preferd blank tape is to use in Nak decks?Thanks for
> any help..Keith H.
> 
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Wed Feb  4 01:23:07 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:23:07 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?
Message-ID: <35.42f89c8f.2d51956b@aol.com>

I've had great results with Maxell XLII's and would also recommend the TDK SA 
for the price.

Enjoy,
Anthony
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 06:00:08 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:00:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?
References: <3551a81354fe63.354fe633551a81@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <002301c3eadb$c394eb80$ca773242@CopyTech>

Based on my experience I have had good experience with Nak decks even form a
good normal tape. I prefer the  CRO2 and the metals, though. It also depends
on how you calibrate your machine. On auto-align decks, like the Revox B
215, you don't need to worry about the tape; she'll calibrate herself
according to the tape formula.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?


> My recommendation for any Nak would be TDK MA metal or any other metal
tape - Nak extracts best of metal tapes. You get fantastic Dynamic Range
with low noise.
>
> However if somebody wants cheaper alternative try TDK SA - very smooth or
Maxell XLII and not very critical try TDK D with Dolby C  unbelievable low
noise with smooth response. All this after a bit of head alignment and
Calibration ( record bias and level for any of these tapes) as I find most
of the used decks are not very optimally adjusted both head alignemnts /
record level bias settings.
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Hugo <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2004 3:08 pm
> Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?
>
> > I just bought a used but in perfect shape Nakamichi
> > CR-3A cassette deck and would like to know what the
> > preferd blank tape is to use in Nak decks?Thanks for
> > any help..Keith H.
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 06:02:32 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:02:32 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Up-date
References: <35.42f89c8f.2d51956b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001c3eadc$195680b0$ca773242@CopyTech>

Roland Alford:

Your funds were received and your set is en-route.

Carlos
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From fkelly at irpgroup.com  Wed Feb  4 04:06:42 2004
From: fkelly at irpgroup.com (Frank Kelly Jr)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:06:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Faulty Nak 680..Help
Message-ID: <000801c3eacb$eb3b5260$3adde944@pittpa.adelphia.net>

Good Evening:

Just got a 680. It will not play a tape. It starts then just stops. Maybe 1/2 turn of the cassette. I can get it to Fast Forward and Rewind only if I hold the button down, If I try to play by holding done the play button it just jump between play and stop.
Any ideas? Is it a major problem or minor?
Any suggestion a good Nakamachi repair shop in the Pittsburgh PA region?
Thanks
Frank
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Feb  4 04:24:26 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:24:26 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] Faulty Nak 680..Help
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D386@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Frank, I think that the problem lies with a tiny globe that has burned out.
This globe provides light for a motion sensor that is located to the bottom
right of the mechanism looking from the front of your deck. The motion
sensor is a small black wheel with tiny holes towards the rim of the wheel
and the light passes through the holes to a receiver, if the receiver sees a
constant pulse of light (on - off) then the deck thinks the tape is moving
correctly. If the globe is out then the logics think that the tape is not
moving and stops the unit from working. This to me is a minor problem, I
don't know your skill level on repairing hifi equipment, however, replacing
the globe is not a big task and will require some patients. BTW, this globe
should remain on all the time once the power is switched on, if you remove
the front panel and find that the globe is not on, then there's your
culprit.
 
    Tom.
 
    P.S. Nice deck, I have a 680ZX.

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Kelly Jr [mailto:fkelly at irpgroup.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2004 2:07 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Faulty Nak 680..Help



Good Evening:
 
Just got a 680. It will not play a tape. It starts then just stops. Maybe
1/2 turn of the cassette. I can get it to Fast Forward and Rewind only if I
hold the button down, If I try to play by holding done the play button it
just jump between play and stop.
Any ideas? Is it a major problem or minor?
Any suggestion a good Nakamachi repair shop in the Pittsburgh PA region?
Thanks
Frank
 

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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 04:32:30 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:32:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
Message-ID: <20040204033230.49903.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>

I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
there one that's favored over the other in Nak
circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.

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From spmcmanus at cox.net  Wed Feb  4 05:29:42 2004
From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:29:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
Message-ID: <20040204042940.EXCP2412.lakemtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>


> 
> From: Keith Hugo <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/02/03 Tue PM 10:32:30 EST
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
> 
> I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
> i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
> 90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
> is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
> there one that's favored over the other in Nak
> circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
> better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.
> 
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Wed Feb  4 05:32:57 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:32:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
Message-ID: <000c01c3ead7$f7516240$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

To The Contributors and El Magnifico!

Wow!  I recieved my set today and gave it a first listen.  Some very fine music and some very fine recording!  I have now been introduced to some artists I was not familiar with and will be looking to find some of their music.....If only I knew who they all were!

Are the contributors sending their track identifications to Carlos or to K J Bleus for a re-compilation of the track list?

Thanks again Carlos for your hard work!  By the way, How is the scuba diving up around Luquillo?

I hope the effort involved doesn't dampen the enthusiasm for a second Marathon Project........I already have a few ideas for a contribution.

Regarding TDK SA-X, I too have noticed that many of the on-line sources are starting to dry up here in the USA, and the prices are beginning to climb.  The SA-X90s seem to be mostly gone, but several places still have the SA-X100s.  When I think about the prices though, I am forced to think back 20 years when the premium Type II and Type III tapes were in excess of $10.00 a copy.  The under $2.00 prices we have been paying recently have been a real bargain by those standards.

Robert Kent
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 09:45:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:45:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
References: <20040204033230.49903.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c3eafb$42b895f0$03773242@CopyTech>

It has been said that Naks prefer TDK but to my experience, it's not
completely true. The SA-X and the XL II-S are almost equivalent. You
wouldn't loose with either one. When I was a duplicator I used to buy both
tapes by pancakes for special applications and for those customers looking
to use the Shape Mark 10 shell. Both were expensive and very good. Maxell
offered a better packaging but I loved the TDK because it came in 17,000
feet pancake while the Maxell were offered in 11,000'. For a duplicator, the
bigger the better.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Hugo" <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:32 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?


> I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
> i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
> 90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
> is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
> there one that's favored over the other in Nak
> circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
> better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 09:50:04 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:50:04 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
References: <000c01c3ead7$f7516240$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <003c01c3eafb$e286c5c0$03773242@CopyTech>

I'm very happy that you have enjoyed the project. Yes, we are thinking in a second one but with a few changes ...

We are just waiting for all the contributors to receive their copies in order to identify all the selections. Mr. Bleus is in charge of that department.

Scuba diving is nice in Luquillo, as always, you know ... Ha !

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:32 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set


  To The Contributors and El Magnifico!

  Wow!  I recieved my set today and gave it a first listen.  Some very fine music and some very fine recording!  I have now been introduced to some artists I was not familiar with and will be looking to find some of their music.....If only I knew who they all were!

  Are the contributors sending their track identifications to Carlos or to K J Bleus for a re-compilation of the track list?

  Thanks again Carlos for your hard work!  By the way, How is the scuba diving up around Luquillo?

  I hope the effort involved doesn't dampen the enthusiasm for a second Marathon Project........I already have a few ideas for a contribution.

  Regarding TDK SA-X, I too have noticed that many of the on-line sources are starting to dry up here in the USA, and the prices are beginning to climb.  The SA-X90s seem to be mostly gone, but several places still have the SA-X100s.  When I think about the prices though, I am forced to think back 20 years when the premium Type II and Type III tapes were in excess of $10.00 a copy.  The under $2.00 prices we have been paying recently have been a real bargain by those standards.

  Robert Kent


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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 05:49:45 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:49:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1211py6Dfqq5k00030ce3@hotmail.com>

Robert:

Contact Capital Electronics here in NYC....the best prices on tape...they 
have a web adfdress.

Neil

PS...speak to "Butch:.


>From: <rjkent at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:32:57 -0800
>
>To The Contributors and El Magnifico!
>
>Wow!  I recieved my set today and gave it a first listen.  Some very fine 
>music and some very fine recording!  I have now been introduced to some 
>artists I was not familiar with and will be looking to find some of their 
>music.....If only I knew who they all were!
>
>Are the contributors sending their track identifications to Carlos or to K 
>J Bleus for a re-compilation of the track list?
>
>Thanks again Carlos for your hard work!  By the way, How is the scuba 
>diving up around Luquillo?
>
>I hope the effort involved doesn't dampen the enthusiasm for a second 
>Marathon Project........I already have a few ideas for a contribution.
>
>Regarding TDK SA-X, I too have noticed that many of the on-line sources are 
>starting to dry up here in the USA, and the prices are beginning to climb.  
>The SA-X90s seem to be mostly gone, but several places still have the 
>SA-X100s.  When I think about the prices though, I am forced to think back 
>20 years when the premium Type II and Type III tapes were in excess of 
>$10.00 a copy.  The under $2.00 prices we have been paying recently have 
>been a real bargain by those standards.
>
>Robert Kent
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 05:51:26 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:51:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F79DQNw2sqYHPM00047aca@hotmail.com>

Carlos:

I have been using  TDK MA-110s in my 505....fantastic...hope they keep it in 
production!.


>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:45:35 -0800
>
>It has been said that Naks prefer TDK but to my experience, it's not
>completely true. The SA-X and the XL II-S are almost equivalent. You
>wouldn't loose with either one. When I was a duplicator I used to buy both
>tapes by pancakes for special applications and for those customers looking
>to use the Shape Mark 10 shell. Both were expensive and very good. Maxell
>offered a better packaging but I loved the TDK because it came in 17,000
>feet pancake while the Maxell were offered in 11,000'. For a duplicator, 
>the
>bigger the better.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Keith Hugo" <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:32 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
>
>
> > I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
> > i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
> > 90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
> > is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
> > there one that's favored over the other in Nak
> > circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
> > better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.
> >
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Feb  4 07:10:56 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:10:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
Message-ID: <s020a921.009@mroute.sunint.co.za>

They are both beautiful tapes but I personally would go for the Maxell
XLII-S due to it's rising high frequency which makes it a bit more
tolerant of azimuth errors when played in decks other than that in which
it was recorded.

Good luck,

Marc

>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 02/04/04 05:32AM >>>
I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
there one that's favored over the other in Nak
circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.

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From fjksouth at email.msn.com  Wed Feb  4 04:01:55 2004
From: fjksouth at email.msn.com (Frank Kelly Jr)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:01:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with 680 Nak..HELP
Message-ID: <000801c3eacb$4172a940$3adde944@pittpa.adelphia.net>

Good Evening:

Just got a 680. It will not play a tape. It starts then just stops. Maybe 1/2 turn of the cassette. I can get it to Fast Forward and Rewind only if I hold the button down, If I try to play by holding done the play button it just jump between play and stop.
Any ideas? Is it a major problem or minor?
Any suggestion a good Nakamachi repair shop in the Pittsburgh PA region?
Thanks
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From jay at benach.com  Wed Feb  4 12:16:11 2004
From: jay at benach.com (Jay)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 06:16:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
In-Reply-To: <s020a921.009@mroute.sunint.co.za>
References: <s020a921.009@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <51424464.1075875371@[192.168.1.100]>

Anybody have any thoughts/experience with Maxell MS Pro (XLII) audio 
cassettes?

http://www.maxell.com/Content/pdfs/MSStudioAudio.pdf
http://www.maxell.com/Content/Pages/Page.asp?Section=Products&Department=pr
ofessionalmedia&Line=proaudio&Product=msstudio

http://store4.yimg.com/I/andol_1769_3264000
http://www.andol.com/mscacofeep.html



--On Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:10 AM +0200 Mark Hugo 
<Mhugo at sunint.co.za> wrote:

> They are both beautiful tapes but I personally would go for the Maxell
> XLII-S due to it's rising high frequency which makes it a bit more
> tolerant of azimuth errors when played in decks other than that in which
> it was recorded.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Marc
>
>>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 02/04/04 05:32AM >>>
> I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
> i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
> 90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
> is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
> there one that's favored over the other in Nak
> circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
> better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.





From hisself at ol-jim.com  Wed Feb  4 13:13:11 2004
From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:13:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3eafb$e286c5c0$03773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <40209B87.15532.2A4ADE9@localhost>



> Scuba diving is nice in Luquillo, as always, you know ... Ha !
> 
> Carlos
> 

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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Wed Feb  4 14:17:42 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:17:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
Message-ID: <s020aab4.021@mail.anderson.edu>

Keith,
 
Most important, I feel, is to try recording with both tapes and decide which you think sounds better.  I use to prefer TDK SA (or -X) if the tape was going to be Dolbyized (B or C), and use Maxell if there was not going to be any noise reduction.  The signal-to-noise (S/N) rankings were higher for SA-X than for XL II-S, but the frequency response was usually smoother for XL II-S.  Most of my older tapes are SA or SA-X, with a few MA's.  Lately, I use MA or MA-X.  There are some problems with drop-outs on some of my older SA and SA-X tapes, which do not seem to be evident with the older XL II and XL II-S tapes.  Have not noticed many problems with the older MA tapes, but I don't have very many "older" MA's to reference against.  My oldest MA tapes are about 15 years old, whereas my oldest SA tapes are 32 years old.  My biggest caveat would be long term signal retention.  So, my tendency would be to go with the XL II-S for longevity.  If you get a chance to get some MA, that would be my suggestion, but you need to do some comparisons to pick your choice for "sound" (all tapes do NOT sound alike) preference.  If you ever find a source for old BASF Super Chrome, tip me off.  By the time I decided it was the best all-around Type II tape, it was dropped from production.  The frequency response sounded very even, had a great S/N, and had the quietest background (lowest tape hiss) that I was familiar with, for Type II tapes.  Don't remember ever seeing this tested in any of the consumer magazines (Audio, Hi-Fidelity, Popular Electronics, Radio-Electronics, Stereo Review), so all my references to this BASF tape are totally subjective (easily open to debate!).  So, now that I've muddied up the waters a bit more, it should be quite clear:  your ears should be the final choice, not ours.
 
Having said all that, I still prefer the "sound" of SA (-X) to XL II (-S), but am concerned with the dropouts from the TDK (mostly from 70's up to the mid 80's, but spotty from there on).  My wife says I get too obsessed with these things; she may be right.  (Easy guys, she will probably never  read that statement.)  Finishing up with that statement, I still sign off with my (in)famous closing:
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth


>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 02/03/04 10:32PM >>>
I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
there one that's favored over the other in Nak
circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Feb  4 14:44:46 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:44:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
In-Reply-To: <000c01c3eac5$029b1280$9a773242@CopyTech>
References: <000c01c3eac5$029b1280$9a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <4020F74E.9010103@rcn.com>

El Magnifico wrote:
> Folks:
> 
> I need input about the Nakamichi 582 deck.
> 
> Carlos

Carlos, can you be a bit more specific? What of info
are you after?

-- Ron





From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Feb  4 15:16:28 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Wed,  4 Feb 2004 09:16:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
In-Reply-To: <s020aab4.021@mail.anderson.edu>
References: <s020aab4.021@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <1075904188.4020febc75131@mail.ce.net>

"Lately, I use MA or MA-X.  There are some problems with drop-outs on some of 
my older SA and SA-X tapes, which do not seem to be evident with the older XL 
II and XL II-S tapes."

That is why I choose XLII's over TDK. Early TDK VHS video blanks gave me very 
poor results. I also got better freq. response using XLII. Martin Colloms, 
writing years ago in Hi-Fi Choice, stated that overall XLII was a better tape 
than XLII-S. At approx. $1.50, or less, how could you go wrong? ;-)

John T.

Quoting Kent Merideth <khmerideth at anderson.edu>:

> Keith,
>  
> Most important, I feel, is to try recording with both tapes and decide which
> you think sounds better.  I use to prefer TDK SA (or -X) if the tape was
> going to be Dolbyized (B or C), and use Maxell if there was not going to be
> any noise reduction.  The signal-to-noise (S/N) rankings were higher for SA-X
> than for XL II-S, but the frequency response was usually smoother for XL
> II-S.  Most of my older tapes are SA or SA-X, with a few MA's.  Lately, I use
> MA or MA-X.  There are some problems with drop-outs on some of my older SA
> and SA-X tapes, which do not seem to be evident with the older XL II and XL
> II-S tapes.  Have not noticed many problems with the older MA tapes, but I
> don't have very many "older" MA's to reference against.  My oldest MA tapes
> are about 15 years old, whereas my oldest SA tapes are 32 years old.  My
> biggest caveat would be long term signal retention.  So, my tendency would be
> to go with the XL II-S for longevity.  If you get a chance to get some MA,
> that would be my suggestion, but you need to do some comparisons to pick your
> choice for "sound" (all tapes do NOT sound alike) preference.  If you ever
> find a source for old BASF Super Chrome, tip me off.  By the time I decided
> it was the best all-around Type II tape, it was dropped from production.  The
> frequency response sounded very even, had a great S/N, and had the quietest
> background (lowest tape hiss) that I was familiar with, for Type II tapes. 
> Don't remember ever seeing this tested in any of the consumer magazines
> (Audio, Hi-Fidelity, Popular Electronics, Radio-Electronics, Stereo Review),
> so all my references to this BASF tape are totally subjective (easily open to
> debate!).  So, now that I've muddied up the waters a bit more, it should be
> quite clear:  your ears should be the final choice, not ours.
>  
> Having said all that, I still prefer the "sound" of SA (-X) to XL II (-S),
> but am concerned with the dropouts from the TDK (mostly from 70's up to the
> mid 80's, but spotty from there on).  My wife says I get too obsessed with
> these things; she may be right.  (Easy guys, she will probably never  read
> that statement.)  Finishing up with that statement, I still sign off with my
> (in)famous closing:
>  
> Enjoy the music!
>  
> Kent Merideth
> 
> 
> >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 02/03/04 10:32PM >>>
> I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
> i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
> 90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
> is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
> there one that's favored over the other in Nak
> circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
> better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.
> 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Feb  4 15:17:32 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Wed,  4 Feb 2004 09:17:32 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?
In-Reply-To: <002301c3eadb$c394eb80$ca773242@CopyTech>
References: <3551a81354fe63.354fe633551a81@vsnl.net>
	<002301c3eadb$c394eb80$ca773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1075904252.4020fefc75131@mail.ce.net>

Go ReVox!

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Based on my experience I have had good experience with Nak decks even form
> a
> good normal tape. I prefer the  CRO2 and the metals, though. It also
> depends
> on how you calibrate your machine. On auto-align decks, like the Revox B
> 215, you don't need to worry about the tape; she'll calibrate herself
> according to the tape formula.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?
> 
> 
> > My recommendation for any Nak would be TDK MA metal or any other metal
> tape - Nak extracts best of metal tapes. You get fantastic Dynamic Range
> with low noise.
> >
> > However if somebody wants cheaper alternative try TDK SA - very smooth or
> Maxell XLII and not very critical try TDK D with Dolby C  unbelievable low
> noise with smooth response. All this after a bit of head alignment and
> Calibration ( record bias and level for any of these tapes) as I find most
> of the used decks are not very optimally adjusted both head alignemnts /
> record level bias settings.
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Keith Hugo <valman13440 at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2004 3:08 pm
> > Subject: [naktalk] Best blank tape to use with my Nak CR-3A?
> >
> > > I just bought a used but in perfect shape Nakamichi
> > > CR-3A cassette deck and would like to know what the
> > > preferd blank tape is to use in Nak decks?Thanks for
> > > any help..Keith H.
> > >
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From lynnzzz at comcast.net  Wed Feb  4 15:57:11 2004
From: lynnzzz at comcast.net (Mark Lynn)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:57:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Where To Go For Repair?
Message-ID: <001f01c3eb2f$2b7230c0$62197d18@VALUEDB8142DE8>

I'm new to the list and the new owner of a Dragon I bought of Audiogon. I got ripped off by the seller and the unit was not as described. Looks like it needs some repair in that it has a worn idler wheel and a badly worn loading belt. The loose loading belt cause it to jam and retain a tape which happened to be a prized Dave Matthews Band master soundboard cassette from 1993. In addition to the stuck tape the biggest problem seems to be a mechanical switch broken on the bottom of the tape transport. This switch is actuated via a flat cable and solenoid. I've been told that I should really send this to someone who specializes in NAKs. I would love to get this thing fixed. Audiogon found in my favor and the member who sold me the deck is supposed to help pay for at least half of the repairs. Hopefully some good karma is due me with respect to the Dragon and I'd love to know who you guys use and would suggest. By the way I live in Virginia in the USA. Looking forward to contibuting here if I can get this stuff fixed and also get my tape out. Thanks for the space.

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From: merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com (merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:48:48 +0100
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
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Guys,

Obviously, the best choice for any deck would be the TDK MA-XG. I bought 50
pieces on ebay lately - brand new. Although I payed almost retail, they are
worth every penny. My Dragon and 505 love 'em. For Type II Tapes, to my mind,
the very best choice is BASF Reference Maxima. It is actually amazing how close
they are to the TDK's. Outstanding longevity (especially regarding car audio -
temperatures etc.!), smooth sound, great highs, great with Dolby. I understand
from a posting just a few days ago that they have a different name in the States
than in Europe, but they should be available. Try looking for these!

Merten


                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
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"Lately, I use MA or MA-X.  There are some problems with drop-outs on some of
my older SA and SA-X tapes, which do not seem to be evident with the older XL
II and XL II-S tapes."

That is why I choose XLII's over TDK. Early TDK VHS video blanks gave me very
poor results. I also got better freq. response using XLII. Martin Colloms,
writing years ago in Hi-Fi Choice, stated that overall XLII was a better tape
than XLII-S. At approx. $1.50, or less, how could you go wrong? ;-)

John T.

Quoting Kent Merideth <khmerideth at anderson.edu>:

> Keith,
>
> Most important, I feel, is to try recording with both tapes and decide which
> you think sounds better.  I use to prefer TDK SA (or -X) if the tape was
> going to be Dolbyized (B or C), and use Maxell if there was not going to be
> any noise reduction.  The signal-to-noise (S/N) rankings were higher for SA-X
> than for XL II-S, but the frequency response was usually smoother for XL
> II-S.  Most of my older tapes are SA or SA-X, with a few MA's.  Lately, I use
> MA or MA-X.  There are some problems with drop-outs on some of my older SA
> and SA-X tapes, which do not seem to be evident with the older XL II and XL
> II-S tapes.  Have not noticed many problems with the older MA tapes, but I
> don't have very many "older" MA's to reference against.  My oldest MA tapes
> are about 15 years old, whereas my oldest SA tapes are 32 years old.  My
> biggest caveat would be long term signal retention.  So, my tendency would be
> to go with the XL II-S for longevity.  If you get a chance to get some MA,
> that would be my suggestion, but you need to do some comparisons to pick your
> choice for "sound" (all tapes do NOT sound alike) preference.  If you ever
> find a source for old BASF Super Chrome, tip me off.  By the time I decided
> it was the best all-around Type II tape, it was dropped from production.  The
> frequency response sounded very even, had a great S/N, and had the quietest
> background (lowest tape hiss) that I was familiar with, for Type II tapes.
> Don't remember ever seeing this tested in any of the consumer magazines
> (Audio, Hi-Fidelity, Popular Electronics, Radio-Electronics, Stereo Review),
> so all my references to this BASF tape are totally subjective (easily open to
> debate!).  So, now that I've muddied up the waters a bit more, it should be
> quite clear:  your ears should be the final choice, not ours.
>
> Having said all that, I still prefer the "sound" of SA (-X) to XL II (-S),
> but am concerned with the dropouts from the TDK (mostly from 70's up to the
> mid 80's, but spotty from there on).  My wife says I get too obsessed with
> these things; she may be right.  (Easy guys, she will probably never  read
> that statement.)  Finishing up with that statement, I still sign off with my
> (in)famous closing:
>
> Enjoy the music!
>
> Kent Merideth
>
>
> >>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 02/03/04 10:32PM >>>
> I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
> i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
> 90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
> is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
> there one that's favored over the other in Nak
> circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
> better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.
>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Feb  4 16:29:03 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:29:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Where To Go For Repair?
In-Reply-To: <001f01c3eb2f$2b7230c0$62197d18@VALUEDB8142DE8>
References: <001f01c3eb2f$2b7230c0$62197d18@VALUEDB8142DE8>
Message-ID: <40210FBF.9080401@rcn.com>

Mark Lynn wrote:

> I'm new to the list and the new owner of a Dragon I bought of Audiogon. I got ripped off by the seller and the unit was not as described. Looks like it needs some repair in that it has a worn idler wheel and a badly worn loading belt. The loose loading belt cause it to jam and retain a tape which happened to be a prized Dave Matthews Band master soundboard cassette from 1993. In addition to the stuck tape the biggest problem seems to be a mechanical switch broken on the bottom of the tape transport. This switch is actuated via a flat cable and solenoid. I've been told that I should really send this to someone who specializes in NAKs. I would love to get this thing fixed. Audiogon found in my favor and the member who sold me the deck is supposed to help pay for at least half of the repairs. Hopefully some good karma is due me with respect to the Dragon and I'd love to know who you guys use and would suggest. By the way I live in Virginia in the USA. Looking forward to conti
buting here if I can get this stuff fixed and also get my tape out. Thanks for the space.
> 
> Mark Lynn

Mark,

I highly recommend Stephen Sank. Be aware, though, that
he is usually very busy -- don't expect a rush job. OTOH,
he is quite reasonable.

Jeff Galin, in CT, also said to be very good. I have no
idea what his turnaround time is. I believe he tends to
be more expensive than Stephen.

Good luck,

-- Ron

Stephen Sank,
Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co.
http://stephensank.com
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com

Jeffrey Galin
(860)529-3700
eslabs at prodigy.net .





From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Feb  4 16:51:38 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:51:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
Message-ID: <s0213136.093@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Kent,

That was a great post.  One of the special things about analogue
recording is exactly as you have said - "all tapes do NOT sound alike". 
This is what makes some tapes better with some types of music and other
tapes better with certain machines - all this irrespective of noise
reduction and calibration.  It's down to a matter of personal
preference.  AND !! I second that on the wonderful BASF Chrome Super of
yester-year.  Those I have from 1984 through to the late eighties are
just brilliant.  Incredibly quiet (massive dynamics), genuine chromium
dioxides, senstitive to excessive level, but very pure - somehow, you
just find yourself listening to the music and not the sound it makes.

By the way, I just might have a test of that particular tape just
before they discontinued it - by What Hi-Fi.......I'll look.

I must agree on the durability of Maxell.  I have XLII 90s going back
to 1983 - just perfect still.  They are actually "UD XLII".  Hmmm,
show's my age.  Speaking of XLII, they are (even now) a really very
balanced, lively, Dolby-friendly (should you decide to use it) cassette
- the firm favourite of many a tape trader.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> khmerideth at anderson.edu 02/04/04 03:17PM >>>
Keith,
 
Most important, I feel, is to try recording with both tapes and decide
which you think sounds better.  I use to prefer TDK SA (or -X) if the
tape was going to be Dolbyized (B or C), and use Maxell if there was not
going to be any noise reduction.  The signal-to-noise (S/N) rankings
were higher for SA-X than for XL II-S, but the frequency response was
usually smoother for XL II-S.  Most of my older tapes are SA or SA-X,
with a few MA's.  Lately, I use MA or MA-X.  There are some problems
with drop-outs on some of my older SA and SA-X tapes, which do not seem
to be evident with the older XL II and XL II-S tapes.  Have not noticed
many problems with the older MA tapes, but I don't have very many
"older" MA's to reference against.  My oldest MA tapes are about 15
years old, whereas my oldest SA tapes are 32 years old.  My biggest
caveat would be long term signal retention.  So, my tendency would be to
go with the XL II-S for longevity.  If you get a chance to get some MA,
that would be my suggestion, but you need to do some comparisons to pick
your choice for "sound" (all tapes do NOT sound alike) preference.  If
you ever find a source for old BASF Super Chrome, tip me off.  By the
time I decided it was the best all-around Type II tape, it was dropped
from production.  The frequency response sounded very even, had a great
S/N, and had the quietest background (lowest tape hiss) that I was
familiar with, for Type II tapes.  Don't remember ever seeing this
tested in any of the consumer magazines (Audio, Hi-Fidelity, Popular
Electronics, Radio-Electronics, Stereo Review), so all my references to
this BASF tape are totally subjective (easily open to debate!).  So, now
that I've muddied up the waters a bit more, it should be quite clear: 
your ears should be the final choice, not ours.
 
Having said all that, I still prefer the "sound" of SA (-X) to XL II
(-S), but am concerned with the dropouts from the TDK (mostly from 70's
up to the mid 80's, but spotty from there on).  My wife says I get too
obsessed with these things; she may be right.  (Easy guys, she will
probably never  read that statement.)  Finishing up with that statement,
I still sign off with my (in)famous closing:
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth


>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 02/03/04 10:32PM >>>
I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
there one that's favored over the other in Nak
circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.

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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 16:56:04 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:56:04 +0200
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
Message-ID: <BAY9-F64KoZtN93XxjI000b4479@hotmail.com>

BASF is called EMTEC since 2002 all over the world, not just in the US. The 
Reference Maxima line was discontinued at least one year ago, if not more, 
and they do not come close to the TDKs - they wipe the floor with them. Both 
the Type II and IV were magnificent. Sadly I haven't been able to locate any 
source for them any more. If anyone sees any - grab them all, you won't 
regret it.

George

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Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:48:48 +0100

Guys,

Obviously, the best choice for any deck would be the TDK MA-XG. I bought 50
pieces on ebay lately - brand new. Although I payed almost retail, they are
worth every penny. My Dragon and 505 love 'em. For Type II Tapes, to my 
mind,
the very best choice is BASF Reference Maxima. It is actually amazing how 
close
they are to the TDK's. Outstanding longevity (especially regarding car audio 
-
temperatures etc.!), smooth sound, great highs, great with Dolby. I 
understand
from a posting just a few days ago that they have a different name in the 
States
than in Europe, but they should be available. Try looking for these!

Merten

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Wed Feb  4 16:56:18 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:56:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair
Message-ID: <001401c3eb37$6de70090$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Mark,

I had my Dragon (and a CR-7) both restored by Jeff Galin at ESL.....both perfect.  He is pricey, but extremely thorough, and will tell you exactly what he recommends with options where appropriate.  He is also extremely busy with turn around times measured in months.

Robert Kent


Mark,

I highly recommend Stephen Sank. Be aware, though, that
he is usually very busy -- don't expect a rush job. OTOH,
he is quite reasonable.

Jeff Galin, in CT, also said to be very good. I have no
idea what his turnaround time is. I believe he tends to
be more expensive than Stephen.

Good luck,

-- Ron

Stephen Sank,
Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co.
http://stephensank.com
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com

Jeffrey Galin
(860)529-3700
eslabs at prodigy.net .


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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 21:32:50 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:32:50 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?
References: <s020a921.009@mroute.sunint.co.za>
	<51424464.1075875371@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <002201c3eb5e$0fe56190$11773242@CopyTech>

I use to sell those. It's the same domestic version with a different shell.
Nothing special about it.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay" <jay at benach.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S or TDK SA-X?


> Anybody have any thoughts/experience with Maxell MS Pro (XLII) audio
> cassettes?
>
> http://www.maxell.com/Content/pdfs/MSStudioAudio.pdf
>
http://www.maxell.com/Content/Pages/Page.asp?Section=Products&Department=pr
> ofessionalmedia&Line=proaudio&Product=msstudio
>
> http://store4.yimg.com/I/andol_1769_3264000
> http://www.andol.com/mscacofeep.html
>
>
>
> --On Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:10 AM +0200 Mark Hugo
> <Mhugo at sunint.co.za> wrote:
>
> > They are both beautiful tapes but I personally would go for the Maxell
> > XLII-S due to it's rising high frequency which makes it a bit more
> > tolerant of azimuth errors when played in decks other than that in which
> > it was recorded.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 02/04/04 05:32AM >>>
> > I am awaiting the arrival of my New Nak CR-3A deck and
> > i was offerd a bulk amount of either Maxell XLII-S
> > 90's or TDK SA-X 90's for the same amount,My question
> > is which tape should i plunk down the money for?Is
> > there one that's favored over the other in Nak
> > circles?Thanks for any help in decideing which is the
> > better tape to buy..Peace,Keith H.
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 21:33:12 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:33:12 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
References: <40209B87.15532.2A4ADE9@localhost>
Message-ID: <003401c3eb5e$1c7f3de0$11773242@CopyTech>

A couple ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" <hisself at ol-jim.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set


>
>
> > Scuba diving is nice in Luquillo, as always, you know ... Ha !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
>
> How many spare rooms did you say you have?
>
> Ol' Jim, hisself
>
> hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com
>
>
>
> Gun Control is life insurance for those Government Officials scheming to
steal the
> rest of your Bill of Rights.
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb  4 21:34:57 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:34:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
References: <000c01c3eac5$029b1280$9a773242@CopyTech>
	<4020F74E.9010103@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <004201c3eb5e$5b52ebc0$11773242@CopyTech>

As a whole, Ron. Sound quality, durability, you know, all good or bad about
her.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582


> El Magnifico wrote:
> > Folks:
> >
> > I need input about the Nakamichi 582 deck.
> >
> > Carlos
>
> Carlos, can you be a bit more specific? What of info
> are you after?
>
> -- Ron
>
>
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Wed Feb  4 18:04:52 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 12:04:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Where To Go For Repair?
In-Reply-To: <001f01c3eb2f$2b7230c0$62197d18@VALUEDB8142DE8>
Message-ID: <4020DFE4.5577.645FD3D@localhost>

Mark -

In which part of VA do you live?  I'm in Northern VA and can at least help you get 
your tape out and can quantify what other problems you may have.  

Tim

On 4 Feb 2004 at 9:57, Mark Lynn wrote:

> 
> I'm new to the list and the new owner of a Dragon I bought of
> Audiogon. I got ripped off by the seller and the unit was not as
> described. Looks like it needs some repair in that it has a worn idler
> wheel and a badly worn loading belt. The loose loading belt cause it
> to jam and retain a tape which happened to be a prized Dave Matthews
> Band master soundboard cassette from 1993. In addition to the stuck
> tape the biggest problem seems to be a mechanical switch broken on the
> bottom of the tape transport. This switch is actuated via a flat cable
> and solenoid. I've been told that I should really send this to someone
> who specializes in NAKs. I would love to get this thing fixed.
> Audiogon found in my favor and the member who sold me the deck is
> supposed to help pay for at least half of the repairs. Hopefully some
> good karma is due me with respect to the Dragon and I'd love to know
> who you guys use and would suggest. By the way I live in Virginia in
> the USA. Looking forward to contibuting here if I can get this stuff
> fixed and also get my tape out. Thanks for the space.
> 
> Mark Lynn




From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Feb  4 19:33:11 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:33:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
In-Reply-To: <004201c3eb5e$5b52ebc0$11773242@CopyTech>
References: <000c01c3eac5$029b1280$9a773242@CopyTech>	<4020F74E.9010103@rcn.com>
	<004201c3eb5e$5b52ebc0$11773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <40213AE7.4080105@rcn.com>


I owned a 582 for about 16 years. During this period, I
used it extensively.

Compared to my previous 700, sound quality was slightly
better. The 582 was quite reliable. Over it's stay with
me I replaced the capstan motor (just over $10 at the
time) and an electrolytic capacitor in the signal path,
that became leaky. It required complete calibration twice,
that had done in a Nak shop. I gave it routine service
once every 3 or 4 years.

Operationally, the 582 was pleasant to use. It had no
idiosyncrasies. Everything worked as expected.

Just for comparison, the CR-7 (circa 1985) that replaced
the 582 had a slight sonic advantage (not sensational;
but certainly, noticeable) on all tapes, including those
recorded on the 700. It is less reliable, with all problems
concentrated in the transport. Needless to say, it is 4
times as expensive as the 582.

Bottom line: the 582 is not the best Nak you can get, but
can hold it's own against most decks. In its price bracket,
I  recommend it highly.

-- Ron



El Magnifico wrote:
> As a whole, Ron. Sound quality, durability, you know, all good or bad about
> her.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
> 
> 
> 
>>El Magnifico wrote:
>>
>>>Folks:
>>>
>>>I need input about the Nakamichi 582 deck.
>>>
>>>Carlos
>>
>>Carlos, can you be a bit more specific? What of info
>>are you after?
>>
>>-- Ron




From BADANTH at aol.com  Wed Feb  4 20:04:41 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:04:41 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
Message-ID: <c6.27bcf2fa.2d529c49@aol.com>

Got my set and I'm enjoying it right now! Would like to thank all involved 
for their contribution to a wonderful mix of music. If it were not for my Nak 
brothers I would never have heard much this vast collection of music.

Thanks again,
Anthony

PS: I'd like to be involved in the next one... ;>)
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Feb  4 20:11:57 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:11:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
Message-ID: <3703d593702ef5.3702ef53703d59@vsnl.net>

My experience with  582 was strange ! I had to open up the mechanism and dislodge the tape guides themselves in the beginning but when I got the Nak test tapes/ made one jig to align the guides - I found that 582 is a fantastic recording/ playing deck. The quality is really impressive considering its simple play / record circuits compared to Dragon / ZX series decks. 

The mechanism is impressive - works extremly well even after years of use - take care of freezing grease on the head block guides/ pinch rollar arm blocks as well as belts; then the machine keeps going. Switch off the deck when not playing to safegaurd the capstan drive motor from dying prematurely though! I had to change the belts once and replace the orange caps in Bias Oscillator. Sound quality is impressive and it has Test tones ( 400Hz and 15Khz both useful for calibrating other not so equipped naks). The beauty of this deck is ability to adjust bias and level for any tape manually. Only one thing that its big brothers had but 582 lacked is Azimuth adjust feature. another facility it lacked is Dolby C - I would not care much for it. So if any one can lay their hands on a good working 582 - it is a treasure for the price compared to decks like ZX7 or ZX9 going 4-8 times this ! 
considering that you can get one around 100+ $ they are a steal !
kannan


----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582

> 
> I owned a 582 for about 16 years. During this period, I
> used it extensively.
> 
> Compared to my previous 700, sound quality was slightly
> better. The 582 was quite reliable. Over it's stay with
> me I replaced the capstan motor (just over $10 at the
> time) and an electrolytic capacitor in the signal path,
> that became leaky. It required complete calibration twice,
> that had done in a Nak shop. I gave it routine service
> once every 3 or 4 years.
> 
> Operationally, the 582 was pleasant to use. It had no
> idiosyncrasies. Everything worked as expected.
> 
> Just for comparison, the CR-7 (circa 1985) that replaced
> the 582 had a slight sonic advantage (not sensational;
> but certainly, noticeable) on all tapes, including those
> recorded on the 700. It is less reliable, with all problems
> concentrated in the transport. Needless to say, it is 4
> times as expensive as the 582.
> 
> Bottom line: the 582 is not the best Nak you can get, but
> can hold it's own against most decks. In its price bracket,
> I  recommend it highly.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> 
> El Magnifico wrote:
> > As a whole, Ron. Sound quality, durability, you know, all good 
> or bad about
> > her.
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>El Magnifico wrote:
> >>
> >>>Folks:
> >>>
> >>>I need input about the Nakamichi 582 deck.
> >>>
> >>>Carlos
> >>
> >>Carlos, can you be a bit more specific? What of info
> >>are you after?
> >>
> >>-- Ron
> 
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From vferdman at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 20:18:43 2004
From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:18:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12,
	Issue 10 - please snip your responses!!!
In-Reply-To: <200402032217.i13MHTju000568@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20040204191843.85840.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Nakkers, First off, let me thank Carlos for the marathon tape CDs I have received yestrday. 
Very, very nice!  Now I need to figure out how to make my MR-1 sound like that :)  Not sure if
it's possible.  Some of these recordings are simply stunning.  Absolutely amazing Indian music!  I
love that stuff.  Kannan, can you point me to some CDs or records with this stuff?  My cat's name
is Shakti, BTW, 'casue she is a goddess.

Now, for the request that comes up in just about every group I belong to from time to time.  And
it is this.  Please, please, please!  Delete the part of the message that is not pertinent to your
response.  I am getting a digest of this list and it is absolute murder and a huge time sink to go
through 50K of text that contains 4 messages saying things like "Thanks a lot!"  or "You're
welcome".  To illustrate the point I am keeping the entire digest in my response and I will send
and identical email to the list but having snipped away what is not pertinent.  I don't mean to be
a party pooper and I respect everyone on the list tremendousely and I have learned a great deal
from the list, so please don't take this request as an insult or a jab, just a friendly request.

Piece,
Vladimir


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>    1. Re: Marathon Tape Update (John M. Tooley)
>    2. Re: Marathon Tape Update (El Magnifico)
>    3. Nakamichi 582 (El Magnifico)
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 4.1 message/rfc822 
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:46:01 -0500
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> 
> No, better idea, I fly to PR to claim my prize from Magnifico! ;-) Besides
> you wouldn't like the cold weather up here.
> 
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> 
> 
> No, I'll take it personally.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> 
> 
> > It gets better and better, I assume free overnight FedEx? ;-)
> >
> > John T.
> >
> > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> >
> > > Yeah, plus a new B-215 S !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Great! Does that mean I win the gold 1000 ZXL? ;-)
> > > >
> > > > John T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:55 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one is
> a
> > > > bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD display.
> It
> > > is
> > > > an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. You
> can
> > > do
> > > > it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.
> > > >
> > > > That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like
> > > that...
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that.
> Question,
> > > is
> > > > that
> > > > > just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
> > > > >
> > > > > John T.
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a
> track
> > > > > > listing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Enjoy it, John !
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and
> realize
> > > > that
> > > > > > > units
> > > > > > > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the
> rest
> > > due
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give every
> > > > member
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fuad Tokad
> > > > > > > > Rob Hamilton
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Important Message:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set,
> please
> > > > notify
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6
> > > > colleagues
> > > > > > > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't have
> to
> > > go
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > extra work of a second run.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks !
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which I'm
> > > sure
> > > > you
> > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
> tastes.
> > > > Aston
> > > > > > > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer budget!
> > > ;-)
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > saving
> > > > > > > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get
> everything
> > > > > > together
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is
> > > interested.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dick:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and
> still
> > > > going
> > > > > > > > strong.
> > > > > > > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new and
> > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some reason
> I
> > > > have
> > > > > > kept
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > Dragon.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710 MK
> II
> > > > and
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That
> little
> > > > thing
> > > > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect such
> > > > clarity
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but prefered
> the
> > > > 500,
> > > > > > so,
> > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > figures ...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper azimuth--LOOK
> > > OUT!
> > > > You
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that
> has
> > > > play
> > > > > > > > azimuth
> > > > > > > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the Dragon
> > > > sounds.
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master
> recordings
> > > I
> > > > made
> > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics in
> > > > > > wonderful
> > > > > > > > > church
> > > > > > > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer for
> a
> > > > > > > fundraising
> > > > > > > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some
> floods
> > > in
> > > > > > Texas
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote
> back
> > > > > > saying,
> > > > > > > > "are
> > > > > > > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B is
> > > fine
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > archival
> > > > > > > > > > transfers...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon
> > > > transport/head
> > > > > > > > > assembly,
> > > > > > > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
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> 

> ATTACHMENT part 4.2 message/rfc822 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:12:40 -0800
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> 
> You are welcome.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> 
> 
> > No, better idea, I fly to PR to claim my prize from Magnifico! ;-) Besides
> > you wouldn't like the cold weather up here.
> >
> > John T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > No, I'll take it personally.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> >
> >
> > > It gets better and better, I assume free overnight FedEx? ;-)
> > >
> > > John T.
> > >
> > > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> > >
> > > > Yeah, plus a new B-215 S !
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:23 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Great! Does that mean I win the gold 1000 ZXL? ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > John T.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:55 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ha,ha, ha !!!! You have discovered my hidden track. That extra one
> is
> > a
> > > > > bonus and that's why it is not market as a track on your CD display.
> > It
> > > > is
> > > > > an old trick that the rock music groups use to made in the 90's. You
> > can
> > > > do
> > > > > it at the beginning or at the end. I prefer the later.
> > > > >
> > > > > That hidden track is: John Tropea. "Spaceflight" or something like
> > > > that...
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:25 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Okay Carlos. I think Mr. Blues [sp.] can help us with that.
> > Question,
> > > > is
> > > > > that
> > > > > > just one or two tracks at cut 11 on CD 2?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John T.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, I lost the paperwork. All I got were the tapes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That I am!  When you have a few minutes could you shot us a
> > track
> > > > > > > listing?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:23 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Enjoy it, John !
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:04 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Great job Carlos. I was just kidding about my 007 set and
> > realize
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > units
> > > > > > > > > were shipped in order of received funds.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:53 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Update
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's nice. I did a set for my masters but decline for the
> > rest
> > > > due
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > higher cost issue and the work involved. I tried to give
> every
> > > > > member
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > set option in the order the funds arrived, to be fair.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Fuad Tokad
> > > > > > > > > Rob Hamilton
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Important Message:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If any member has changed jis mind about acquiring a set,
> > please
> > > > > notify
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > off-list so I can give that set to someone else. We have 6
> > > > > colleagues
> > > > > > > > > waiting on the sidelines to have a set. That way I don't
> have
> > to
> > > > go
> > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > extra work of a second run.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks !
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:38 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you Carlos for my Marathon CD's numbered 007 which
> I'm
> > > > sure
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > knowing that I'm a kinda James Bond type with expensive
> > tastes.
> > > > > Aston
> > > > > > > > > > Martin, Rolex, Nakamichi, Pussy Galore guy on a beer
> budget!
> > > > ;-)
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > saving
> > > > > > > > > > CD's for some quality, alone time. Maybe I can get
> > everything
> > > > > > > together
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > make some booklets for our Marathon CD's if anybody is
> > > > interested.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > John T.
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dick:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You are really a Dragon fan ! I have mine since 1995 and
> > still
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > strong.
> > > > > > > > > > Have let go a 1000 ZXL, 700 ZXL, 700, 700 II, 600, a new
> and
> > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > > > > machine Denon 790 R, 2 - B 215, 3- MR-2's but by some
> reason
> > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > kept
> > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > Dragon.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have come down to 3 decks only: The Dragon, Revox B 710
> MK
> > II
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > my favorites: Tandberg 3014 A. My son kept the 500. That
> > little
> > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > > > > amaze everyone of how good it sounds. You never expect
> such
> > > > > clarity
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > 500. He could choose one of the above to keep, but
> prefered
> > the
> > > > > 500,
> > > > > > > so,
> > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > figures ...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:07 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sound Quality of Nak deck
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gerald and Alan,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And, when the Dragon homes in on the proper
> azimuth--LOOK
> > > > OUT!
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > achieve similar results with the DR1 or any machine that
> > has
> > > > > play
> > > > > > > > > azimuth
> > > > > > > > > > > adjustment, but I am always amazed at how good the
> Dragon
> > > > > sounds.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > especially amazed when I play back the few master
> > recordings
> > > > I
> > > > > made
> > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > Nak 550 in the mid-1970s using a pair of AKG C-451 mics
> in
> > > > > > > wonderful
> > > > > > > > > > church
> > > > > > > > > > > acoustics on Maxell tape.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On another list, I offered some people a free transfer
> for
> > a
> > > > > > > > fundraising
> > > > > > > > > > > project to honor a folksinger who was killed in some
> > floods
> > > > in
> > > > > > > Texas
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > years ago. They said, "we've got that covered." I wrote
> > back
> > > > > > > saying,
> > > > > > > > > "are
> > > > > > > > > > > you using a Dragon?" Many people think the Tascam 122B
> is
> > > > fine
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > archival
> > > > > > > > > > > transfers...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > (proud owner of 2 Dragons, an MR-1, a spare Dragon
> > > > > transport/head
> > > > > > > > > > assembly,
> > > > > > > > > > > and I have one more Dragon inbound from eBay).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> ATTACHMENT part 4.3 message/rfc822 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:17:16 -0800
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> 
> Folks:
> 
> I need input about the Nakamichi 582 deck.
> 
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From vferdman at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 20:22:53 2004
From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:22:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12,
	Issue 10 - please snip your responses!
In-Reply-To: <200402040451.i144p1ju002302@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20040204192253.63373.qmail@web61103.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, I'd like to thank Carlos for the wonderful CDs I got in the mail yesterday!  Great recordings
and great sounding music from everyone!  I especially loved the Indian track.

Please, please, please!  Spend an extra 30 seconds to snip away the unnessesary part of the post
in your responses and edit the subject line so it is a bit more informative than "Re: Naktalk
Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10"


Piece,
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From fkelly at irpgroup.com  Wed Feb  4 23:04:35 2004
From: fkelly at irpgroup.com (FKelly)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:04:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Faulty Nak 680..Help
Message-ID: <000601c3eb6a$e0d7b6c0$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>

Tom:

Where is a souce for the globe you described. Also the light in the cassette well is out.

Thanks
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Feb  4 23:19:57 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:19:57 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] Faulty Nak 680..Help
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D38A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

My best bet would be your Radio shack store (Tandy electronics here in
Australia), and ask them. The auto-shutoff lamp is rated at 12 volts 25 mA,
and the cassette well lamp has a 12 volt 60 mA rating, at least I think that
is right. Can anyone else please confirm these ratings.
 
    Regards,
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: FKelly [mailto:fkelly at irpgroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2004 9:05 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Faulty Nak 680..Help


Tom:
 
Where is a souce for the globe you described. Also the light in the cassette
well is out.
 
Thanks
 

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Feb  4 23:30:26 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:30:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Faulty Nak 680..Help
References: <000601c3eb6a$e0d7b6c0$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
Message-ID: <002a01c3eb6e$7ce6b450$44116343@johnnyrotten>

Translation, globe = bulb.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:04 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Faulty Nak 680..Help


  Tom:

  Where is a souce for the globe you described. Also the light in the cassette well is out.

  Thanks



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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Feb  5 01:19:45 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:19:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
Message-ID: <1795-40218C21-1066@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the intense
pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond all
comparison.My tri-tracer came to me simple, unassuming -asking nothing
but to be loved and appreciated.A poor man,i took her in,yet i was
disdainful of her and desirious of something more beautiful,more
pleasurable.      Virtouous was she ,and  had integrity, and was the
kind a man could rely on.No,she was not beautiful..in fact rather
plain,but many of lonely nights she pleased me with delights so
pleasurable and intense that they are  memories i treasurestill. Yet i
wanted more,i was scornful of her :i wanted those models that the others
loved and trasured,and delighted in.I hated her simplistic spartan
features.I despised her unsohiphisticated abilities..in a fit of rage  I
put her on the shelf. Lost and searching i began to ask others about
their exoitic beauties.One by one the response was the same.."she is
beautiful beyond all compare they would say-and the ultimate in sensual
delight,but she is tempermental, her demands are insatiable...i have
spent a fortune keeping her up,and still she is  not satisfied. a DRAGON
she is,and will consume you thouroughlly and when you have given her
everything-then she will quit you..then if you spend a fortune she will
come back..but for how long? Sad,dejected, i went home confused and
empty.Alone in the corner  i saw a flash..a glint...a glimmer as i
turned my head.  it was a faint "sheen'.Even through the dust she was
calling me. She was saying "i will be faithfull and true to you, and i
wont ask you for any thing in return. I will give you pleasure  for
years and years! Look at me-yes,no beauty am I,and i cannot dance like
my younger sister,but i promise you that if you appreciate me,and thats
al i ask,that i will reward you Faithfully. 

thank you very much,
gerald



From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Feb  5 01:35:07 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:35:07 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
References: <1795-40218C21-1066@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <002801c3eb7f$e7e6ea70$f4aa4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

tears are welling
prophetic\moving



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:19 AM
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer


> i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the intense
> pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond all
> comparison.My tri-tracer came to me simple, unassuming -asking nothing
> but to be loved and appreciated.A poor man,i took her in,yet i was
> disdainful of her and desirious of something more beautiful,more
> pleasurable.      Virtouous was she ,and  had integrity, and was the
> kind a man could rely on.No,she was not beautiful..in fact rather
> plain,but many of lonely nights she pleased me with delights so
> pleasurable and intense that they are  memories i treasurestill. Yet i
> wanted more,i was scornful of her :i wanted those models that the others
> loved and trasured,and delighted in.I hated her simplistic spartan
> features.I despised her unsohiphisticated abilities..in a fit of rage  I
> put her on the shelf. Lost and searching i began to ask others about
> their exoitic beauties.One by one the response was the same.."she is
> beautiful beyond all compare they would say-and the ultimate in sensual
> delight,but she is tempermental, her demands are insatiable...i have
> spent a fortune keeping her up,and still she is  not satisfied. a DRAGON
> she is,and will consume you thouroughlly and when you have given her
> everything-then she will quit you..then if you spend a fortune she will
> come back..but for how long? Sad,dejected, i went home confused and
> empty.Alone in the corner  i saw a flash..a glint...a glimmer as i
> turned my head.  it was a faint "sheen'.Even through the dust she was
> calling me. She was saying "i will be faithfull and true to you, and i
> wont ask you for any thing in return. I will give you pleasure  for
> years and years! Look at me-yes,no beauty am I,and i cannot dance like
> my younger sister,but i promise you that if you appreciate me,and thats
> al i ask,that i will reward you Faithfully.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Feb  5 01:34:06 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:34:06 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D38C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Wow! Now that is worth putting in a book, what passion!

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net]
Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2004 11:20 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer



From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 05:47:47 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:47:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
References: <000c01c3eac5$029b1280$9a773242@CopyTech>	<4020F74E.9010103@rcn.com><004201c3eb5e$5b52ebc0$11773242@CopyTech>
	<40213AE7.4080105@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c3eba3$34dfbaa0$bb773242@CopyTech>

Excellent. Exactly what I needed to know ... Thanks.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582


>
> I owned a 582 for about 16 years. During this period, I
> used it extensively.
>
> Compared to my previous 700, sound quality was slightly
> better. The 582 was quite reliable. Over it's stay with
> me I replaced the capstan motor (just over $10 at the
> time) and an electrolytic capacitor in the signal path,
> that became leaky. It required complete calibration twice,
> that had done in a Nak shop. I gave it routine service
> once every 3 or 4 years.
>
> Operationally, the 582 was pleasant to use. It had no
> idiosyncrasies. Everything worked as expected.
>
> Just for comparison, the CR-7 (circa 1985) that replaced
> the 582 had a slight sonic advantage (not sensational;
> but certainly, noticeable) on all tapes, including those
> recorded on the 700. It is less reliable, with all problems
> concentrated in the transport. Needless to say, it is 4
> times as expensive as the 582.
>
> Bottom line: the 582 is not the best Nak you can get, but
> can hold it's own against most decks. In its price bracket,
> I  recommend it highly.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
> El Magnifico wrote:
> > As a whole, Ron. Sound quality, durability, you know, all good or bad
about
> > her.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
> >
> >
> >
> >>El Magnifico wrote:
> >>
> >>>Folks:
> >>>
> >>>I need input about the Nakamichi 582 deck.
> >>>
> >>>Carlos
> >>
> >>Carlos, can you be a bit more specific? What of info
> >>are you after?
> >>
> >>-- Ron
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 05:49:51 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:49:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set
References: <c6.27bcf2fa.2d529c49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c3eba3$7eb58dd0$bb773242@CopyTech>

Enjoy it, Tony.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BADANTH at aol.com 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Set


  Got my set and I'm enjoying it right now! Would like to thank all involved for their contribution to a wonderful mix of music. If it were not for my Nak brothers I would never have heard much this vast collection of music.

  Thanks again,
  Anthony

  PS: I'd like to be involved in the next one... ;>) 


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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 05:57:12 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:57:12 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
References: <3703d593702ef5.3702ef53703d59@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <004801c3eba4$850d9690$bb773242@CopyTech>

Thanks !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582


> My experience with  582 was strange ! I had to open up the mechanism and
dislodge the tape guides themselves in the beginning but when I got the Nak
test tapes/ made one jig to align the guides - I found that 582 is a
fantastic recording/ playing deck. The quality is really impressive
considering its simple play / record circuits compared to Dragon / ZX series
decks.
>
> The mechanism is impressive - works extremly well even after years of
use - take care of freezing grease on the head block guides/ pinch rollar
arm blocks as well as belts; then the machine keeps going. Switch off the
deck when not playing to safegaurd the capstan drive motor from dying
prematurely though! I had to change the belts once and replace the orange
caps in Bias Oscillator. Sound quality is impressive and it has Test tones
( 400Hz and 15Khz both useful for calibrating other not so equipped naks).
The beauty of this deck is ability to adjust bias and level for any tape
manually. Only one thing that its big brothers had but 582 lacked is Azimuth
adjust feature. another facility it lacked is Dolby C - I would not care
much for it. So if any one can lay their hands on a good working 582 - it is
a treasure for the price compared to decks like ZX7 or ZX9 going 4-8 times
this !
> considering that you can get one around 100+ $ they are a steal !
> kannan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:33 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
>
> >
> > I owned a 582 for about 16 years. During this period, I
> > used it extensively.
> >
> > Compared to my previous 700, sound quality was slightly
> > better. The 582 was quite reliable. Over it's stay with
> > me I replaced the capstan motor (just over $10 at the
> > time) and an electrolytic capacitor in the signal path,
> > that became leaky. It required complete calibration twice,
> > that had done in a Nak shop. I gave it routine service
> > once every 3 or 4 years.
> >
> > Operationally, the 582 was pleasant to use. It had no
> > idiosyncrasies. Everything worked as expected.
> >
> > Just for comparison, the CR-7 (circa 1985) that replaced
> > the 582 had a slight sonic advantage (not sensational;
> > but certainly, noticeable) on all tapes, including those
> > recorded on the 700. It is less reliable, with all problems
> > concentrated in the transport. Needless to say, it is 4
> > times as expensive as the 582.
> >
> > Bottom line: the 582 is not the best Nak you can get, but
> > can hold it's own against most decks. In its price bracket,
> > I  recommend it highly.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > El Magnifico wrote:
> > > As a whole, Ron. Sound quality, durability, you know, all good
> > or bad about
> > > her.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>El Magnifico wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Folks:
> > >>>
> > >>>I need input about the Nakamichi 582 deck.
> > >>>
> > >>>Carlos
> > >>
> > >>Carlos, can you be a bit more specific? What of info
> > >>are you after?
> > >>
> > >>-- Ron
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 06:04:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:04:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
References: <1795-40218C21-1066@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <008901c3eba5$8d1c7710$bb773242@CopyTech>

Hey, G, that's a good poem ! I almost cry !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer


> i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the intense
> pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond all
> comparison...


From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 06:06:53 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:06:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Up Date
References: <3703d593702ef5.3702ef53703d59@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <009e01c3eba5$df625300$bb773242@CopyTech>

The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:

Mr Gra'
Jim Soden
Andy Dundis
Alan Guyes

Thanks,

Carlos


From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 06:00:49 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:00:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12,
	Issue 10 - please snip your responses!!!
References: <20040204191843.85840.qmail@web61105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c3eba5$06417470$bb773242@CopyTech>

I agree.

Carlos

  I don't mean to be
> a party pooper and I respect everyone on the list tremendousely and I have
learned a great deal
> from the list, so please don't take this request as an insult or a jab,
just a friendly request.
>
> Piece,
> Vladimir



From mdevera at compuserve.com  Thu Feb  5 04:13:17 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:13:17 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together
In-Reply-To: <001f01c3eba3$34dfbaa0$bb773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000001c3eb96$00383050$1e01000a@c994264f>

First off, my greetings and salutations to all, and belated new year.
I've been following this list for quite a long time, and I know Kannan
had been here for a time, and Jim Volpatti is local to me as well. 

I'm in the southeast part of the Bay Area and would like to enhance our
camaraderie by at least getting together for a brief listening session
(a tape shoot-out) perhaps.

I've been blessed to survive the dot com debacle, (being laid off for
quite a spell, no doubt) and have been thrice lucky to keep my Dragon
(still with Stephen Sank), CR7A (Sanked), and CR4A (also Sanked). 

I look forward to an assembly of all the great Naks in an accessible
venue, if there is interest. The greater part of this group may wish to
have this coordinated off-line. 

I welcome your private messages to see if there's considerable
inclination to gather on a particular day.

Mike



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Feb  5 07:00:18 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:00:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together
Message-ID: <376630d376c46d.376c46d376630d@vsnl.net>

Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ?
Anymore around???
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike deVera <mdevera at compuserve.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 7:13 pm
Subject: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together

> First off, my greetings and salutations to all, and belated new year.
> I've been following this list for quite a long time, and I know Kannan
> had been here for a time, and Jim Volpatti is local to me as well. 
> 
> I'm in the southeast part of the Bay Area and would like to 
> enhance our
> camaraderie by at least getting together for a brief listening session
> (a tape shoot-out) perhaps.
> 
> I've been blessed to survive the dot com debacle, (being laid off for
> quite a spell, no doubt) and have been thrice lucky to keep my Dragon
> (still with Stephen Sank), CR7A (Sanked), and CR4A (also Sanked). 
> 
> I look forward to an assembly of all the great Naks in an accessible
> venue, if there is interest. The greater part of this group may 
> wish to
> have this coordinated off-line. 
> 
> I welcome your private messages to see if there's considerable
> inclination to gather on a particular day.
> 
> Mike
> 
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From ti at amb.org  Thu Feb  5 07:44:14 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:44:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together
In-Reply-To: <376630d376c46d.376c46d376630d@vsnl.net> from "kannan_s@vsnl.com"
	at Feb 04, 2004 10:00:18 PM
Message-ID: <200402050644.GAA19503@amb.org>

Yes, I am in Sunnyvale and have sent Mike a private email expressing
interest in a gathering.  I also offered to bring my Dragon along if
needed.  Anyone else on this list in the SF bay area?

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6

kannan_s at vsnl.com writes:
> Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ?
> Anymore around???
> kannan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike deVera <mdevera at compuserve.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 7:13 pm
> Subject: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together
> 
> > I'm in the southeast part of the Bay Area and would like to 
> > enhance our
> > camaraderie by at least getting together for a brief listening session
> > (a tape shoot-out) perhaps.



From mdevera at compuserve.com  Thu Feb  5 07:47:57 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:47:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together
In-Reply-To: <376630d376c46d.376c46d376630d@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3ebb3$fd9157a0$1e01000a@c994264f>

Well so far that makes five - (tentatively) .. I've been corresponding
with Ti offline and he's interested in a audio sound fest .. 

He's got a Dragon, I've got a CR7A to bring (I'm not sure if there's an
interest in bringing another Dragon or CR4A). 

I could talk to some of my Audio Asylum buddies, if they interested in
jumping in (but I should find out if any of them still have cassette
decks).

Mike 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:00 PM
To: mdevera at compuserve.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together


 
Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another
Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then
Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ? Anymore
around??? kannan




From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Thu Feb  5 09:26:28 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:26:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
Message-ID: <200402050326_MC3-1-6D1A-67E5@compuserve.com>

Gerald,
This poem is brilliant. I think it would be nice if Wouter should post it
on the web-site!
Beware of the Dragon-lady!!
_Fuad



From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Feb  5 09:34:34 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:34:34 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
In-Reply-To: <200402050326_MC3-1-6D1A-67E5@compuserve.com>
References: <200402050326_MC3-1-6D1A-67E5@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <7770.212.78.179.234.1075970074.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Yes, great!
The new website i'm currently working on will have space for things like
this, anyone can write about their beloved Nak and what they contribute
will certainly be shown!
This is a good example of what can be there!
Wouter


> Gerald,
> This poem is brilliant. I think it would be nice if Wouter should post it
> on the web-site!
> Beware of the Dragon-lady!!
> _Fuad
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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Thu Feb  5 10:06:03 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:06:03 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
References: <1795-40218C21-1066@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <006001c3ebc7$48d14780$6e2c8751@oemcomputer>

I think you need to get out more !! much more

terry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:19 AM
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer


> i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the intense
> pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond all
> comparison.My tri-tracer came to me simple, unassuming -asking nothing
> but to be loved and appreciated.A poor man,i took her in,yet i was
> disdainful of her and desirious of something more beautiful,more
> pleasurable.      Virtouous was she ,and  had integrity, and was the
> kind a man could rely on.No,she was not beautiful..in fact rather
> plain,but many of lonely nights she pleased me with delights so
> pleasurable and intense that they are  memories i treasurestill. Yet i
> wanted more,i was scornful of her :i wanted those models that the others
> loved and trasured,and delighted in.I hated her simplistic spartan
> features.I despised her unsohiphisticated abilities..in a fit of rage  I
> put her on the shelf. Lost and searching i began to ask others about
> their exoitic beauties.One by one the response was the same.."she is
> beautiful beyond all compare they would say-and the ultimate in sensual
> delight,but she is tempermental, her demands are insatiable...i have
> spent a fortune keeping her up,and still she is  not satisfied. a DRAGON
> she is,and will consume you thouroughlly and when you have given her
> everything-then she will quit you..then if you spend a fortune she will
> come back..but for how long? Sad,dejected, i went home confused and
> empty.Alone in the corner  i saw a flash..a glint...a glimmer as i
> turned my head.  it was a faint "sheen'.Even through the dust she was
> calling me. She was saying "i will be faithfull and true to you, and i
> wont ask you for any thing in return. I will give you pleasure  for
> years and years! Look at me-yes,no beauty am I,and i cannot dance like
> my younger sister,but i promise you that if you appreciate me,and thats
> al i ask,that i will reward you Faithfully.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Thu Feb  5 13:40:53 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 07:40:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
Message-ID: <s021f395.026@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Gerald,
 
Thank YOU very much.  That was great!  Although, I do think you need to get away from your Naks once in a while; there really is a World out there.  Also, thought I should remind you the 700 and 1000 series of decks does need some regular maintenance attention.  The daughter boards (the ones in the edge connectors on the mother board), need to be taken out and have the contacts cleaned every two years, or so.  For the first round of cleaning I would suggest CAIG Laboratories DeoxIT Red, then follow up with PreservIT Blue.  If you want to go better than the Blue, use ProGold.  It's been about 3-4 years since I last ordered anything from CAIG, but I notice they have CaiKleen RBR Rubber Cleaner and Rejuvenator.  Has anyone had occasion to use this?  Their previously mentioned products have been quite effective for me.  
 
It's fine to take such pleasure in your equipment, but remember the most important part:
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth


>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 02/04/04 07:19PM >>>
i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the intense
pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond all
comparison.My tri-tracer came to me simple, unassuming -asking nothing
but to be loved and appreciated.A poor man,i took her in,yet i was
disdainful of her and desirious of something more beautiful,more
pleasurable.      Virtouous was she ,and  had integrity, and was the
kind a man could rely on.No,she was not beautiful..in fact rather
plain,but many of lonely nights she pleased me with delights so
pleasurable and intense that they are  memories i treasurestill. Yet i
wanted more,i was scornful of her :i wanted those models that the others
loved and trasured,and delighted in.I hated her simplistic spartan
features.I despised her unsohiphisticated abilities..in a fit of rage  I
put her on the shelf. Lost and searching i began to ask others about
their exoitic beauties.One by one the response was the same.."she is
beautiful beyond all compare they would say-and the ultimate in sensual
delight,but she is tempermental, her demands are insatiable...i have
spent a fortune keeping her up,and still she is  not satisfied. a DRAGON
she is,and will consume you thouroughlly and when you have given her
everything-then she will quit you..then if you spend a fortune she will
come back..but for how long? Sad,dejected, i went home confused and
empty.Alone in the corner  i saw a flash..a glint...a glimmer as i
turned my head.  it was a faint "sheen'.Even through the dust she was
calling me. She was saying "i will be faithfull and true to you, and i
wont ask you for any thing in return. I will give you pleasure  for
years and years! Look at me-yes,no beauty am I,and i cannot dance like
my younger sister,but i promise you that if you appreciate me,and thats
al i ask,that i will reward you Faithfully. 

thank you very much,
gerald

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu Feb  5 16:27:38 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:27:38 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
Message-ID: <001001c3ebfc$96828d10$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hey  Mike,

Great idea.....count me in!   Seems like I am the furthest away (Lafayette), and would be happy to travel a bit.  I have 8 Naks running the gammut from Dragon to Cassette Deck 1, and could contribute in any way needed.....machines or materials.....a mini marathon?

Robert Kent


I look forward to an assembly of all the great Naks in an accessible
venue, if there is interest. The greater part of this group may wish to
have this coordinated off-line. 

I welcome your private messages to see if there's considerable
inclination to gather on a particular day.

Mike

 
Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another
Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then
Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ? Anymore
around??? 

kannan


Yes, I am in Sunnyvale and have sent Mike a private email expressing
interest in a gathering.  I also offered to bring my Dragon along if
needed.  Anyone else on this list in the SF bay area?

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 21:27:10 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:27:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
References: <001001c3ebfc$96828d10$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <003b01c3ec26$6f0ea910$13773242@CopyTech>

That's a nice idea. Once all of you are there, why not take the best deck and record a master with the selections you guys choose, then, pass it over to the rest of us. Perhaps some day we could have a "Nak Global Fest" for the rest of us !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:27 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks


  Hey  Mike,

  Great idea.....count me in!   Seems like I am the furthest away (Lafayette), and would be happy to travel a bit.  I have 8 Naks running the gammut from Dragon to Cassette Deck 1, and could contribute in any way needed.....machines or materials.....a mini marathon?

  Robert Kent


  I look forward to an assembly of all the great Naks in an accessible
  venue, if there is interest. The greater part of this group may wish to
  have this coordinated off-line. 

  I welcome your private messages to see if there's considerable
  inclination to gather on a particular day.

  Mike


  Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another
  Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then
  Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ? Anymore
  around??? 

  kannan


  Yes, I am in Sunnyvale and have sent Mike a private email expressing
  interest in a gathering.  I also offered to bring my Dragon along if
  needed.  Anyone else on this list in the SF bay area?

  -Ti
  -- 
   R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
   |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
     | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
     2 4 6


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Feb  5 17:27:47 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu,  5 Feb 2004 11:27:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
In-Reply-To: <003b01c3ec26$6f0ea910$13773242@CopyTech>
References: <001001c3ebfc$96828d10$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
	<003b01c3ec26$6f0ea910$13773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1075998467.40226f03edc87@mail.ce.net>

Great idea Carlos. Just don't dub from the Dragon to the 2 head Realistic deck 
right? ;-)

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> That's a nice idea. Once all of you are there, why not take the best deck and
> record a master with the selections you guys choose, then, pass it over to
> the rest of us. Perhaps some day we could have a "Nak Global Fest" for the
> rest of us !
> 
> Carlos
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: rjkent at comcast.net 
>   To: naktalk at naks.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:27 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
> 
> 
>   Hey  Mike,
> 
>   Great idea.....count me in!   Seems like I am the furthest away
> (Lafayette), and would be happy to travel a bit.  I have 8 Naks running the
> gammut from Dragon to Cassette Deck 1, and could contribute in any way
> needed.....machines or materials.....a mini marathon?
> 
>   Robert Kent
> 
> 
>   I look forward to an assembly of all the great Naks in an accessible
>   venue, if there is interest. The greater part of this group may wish to
>   have this coordinated off-line. 
> 
>   I welcome your private messages to see if there's considerable
>   inclination to gather on a particular day.
> 
>   Mike
> 
> 
>   Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another
>   Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then
>   Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ? Anymore
>   around??? 
> 
>   kannan
> 
> 
>   Yes, I am in Sunnyvale and have sent Mike a private email expressing
>   interest in a gathering.  I also offered to bring my Dragon along if
>   needed.  Anyone else on this list in the SF bay area?
> 
>   -Ti
>   -- 
>    R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>    |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>      | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>      2 4 6
> 
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 21:35:55 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:35:55 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Goodies
References: <s021f395.026@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <004a01c3ec27$a855f0b0$13773242@CopyTech>


This morning I received a very nice gift from Mr. Alan Guyes, of Virginia. Mr. Guyes is the buyer of audio/video equipment at Audiotronics. They're a former Nakamichi dealer in that same state. As good dealers of the cassette heyday era in the 80's, they were fortunate enough to be taken to Japan by the Nakamichi corporation in order to have some good time. They were welcome at the famous Nakamichi Corporate Concert Hall and a quartet played for them some Bach concertos. The program was recorded live with some Naks mics on various 1000 ZXL with dolby C. These originals were given to the attendants.

Mr. Guyes was kind enough to send me a copy of this concert that he dubbed from his CR 7 into a fine tuned BX 300. The results, music and sound are amazing !!!! I played it back today, as I write this e mail, on my Tandberg 3014 A. Simply amazing !

Also, he send me 2 photos: one of the Nakamichi brothers: Ted & Niro in front of the Nakamichi Research Center in Tokyo and another one of the quartet playing the concertos in the Nak Concert Hall. Circa: 1985.

Just wanted to share this honor with the rest of the gang.

Carlos

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Feb  5 17:33:07 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu,  5 Feb 2004 11:33:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
In-Reply-To: <1795-40218C21-1066@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1795-40218C21-1066@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <1075998787.40227043b8143@mail.ce.net>

Webmaster, please forward this to Dr. Laura's forum! ;-)

Quoting "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>:

> i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the intense
> pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond all
> comparison.My tri-tracer came to me simple, unassuming -asking nothing
> but to be loved and appreciated.A poor man,i took her in,yet i was
> disdainful of her and desirious of something more beautiful,more
> pleasurable.      Virtouous was she ,and  had integrity, and was the
> kind a man could rely on.No,she was not beautiful..in fact rather
> plain,but many of lonely nights she pleased me with delights so
> pleasurable and intense that they are  memories i treasurestill. Yet i
> wanted more,i was scornful of her :i wanted those models that the others
> loved and trasured,and delighted in.I hated her simplistic spartan
> features.I despised her unsohiphisticated abilities..in a fit of rage  I
> put her on the shelf. Lost and searching i began to ask others about
> their exoitic beauties.One by one the response was the same.."she is
> beautiful beyond all compare they would say-and the ultimate in sensual
> delight,but she is tempermental, her demands are insatiable...i have
> spent a fortune keeping her up,and still she is  not satisfied. a DRAGON
> she is,and will consume you thouroughlly and when you have given her
> everything-then she will quit you..then if you spend a fortune she will
> come back..but for how long? Sad,dejected, i went home confused and
> empty.Alone in the corner  i saw a flash..a glint...a glimmer as i
> turned my head.  it was a faint "sheen'.Even through the dust she was
> calling me. She was saying "i will be faithfull and true to you, and i
> wont ask you for any thing in return. I will give you pleasure  for
> years and years! Look at me-yes,no beauty am I,and i cannot dance like
> my younger sister,but i promise you that if you appreciate me,and thats
> al i ask,that i will reward you Faithfully. 
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 21:41:02 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:41:02 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
References: <001001c3ebfc$96828d10$6500a8c0@B8142DE8><003b01c3ec26$6f0ea910$13773242@CopyTech>
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NO, I was thinking in the super Sanyo deck ... or a BIC.  HA !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF Area Naks


> Great idea Carlos. Just don't dub from the Dragon to the 2 head Realistic
deck
> right? ;-)
>
> John T.



From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Thu Feb  5 17:40:37 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:40:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
Message-ID: <s0222bc7.079@mail.anderson.edu>

If you use the BIC, make sure it's one that has the  3 3/4 IPS feature!  At least then it stands a chance of coming close to a Nak (680ZX at 15/16 IPS).   ;oP
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth


>>> copytec at coqui.net 02/05/04 03:41PM >>>
NO, I was thinking in the super Sanyo deck ... or a BIC.  HA !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF Area Naks


> Great idea Carlos. Just don't dub from the Dragon to the 2 head Realistic
deck
> right? ;-)
>
> John T.

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb  5 21:54:49 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:54:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
References: <s0222bc7.079@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <008101c3ec2a$4c396fc0$13773242@CopyTech>

Well, Kent, that's exactly what I got in mind.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF Area Naks


  If you use the BIC, make sure it's one that has the  3 3/4 IPS feature!  At least then it stands a chance of coming close to a Nak (680ZX at 15/16 IPS).   ;oP

  Enjoy the music!

  Kent Merideth


  >>> copytec at coqui.net 02/05/04 03:41PM >>>
  NO, I was thinking in the super Sanyo deck ... or a BIC.  HA !

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:27 AM
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  > Great idea Carlos. Just don't dub from the Dragon to the 2 head Realistic
  deck
  > right? ;-)
  >
  > John T.

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Feb  5 17:55:54 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu,  5 Feb 2004 11:55:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
In-Reply-To: <005d01c3ec28$5ee4b640$13773242@CopyTech>
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Ah! the classic Bic! didn't it dub at 3.3/4ips?

John T.

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> NO, I was thinking in the super Sanyo deck ... or a BIC.  HA !
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
> 
> 
> > Great idea Carlos. Just don't dub from the Dragon to the 2 head Realistic
> deck
> > right? ;-)
> >
> > John T.
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Feb  5 17:59:43 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu,  5 Feb 2004 11:59:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
In-Reply-To: <s0222bc7.079@mail.anderson.edu>
References: <s0222bc7.079@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <1076000383.4022767f36ae2@mail.ce.net>

That would perhaps help the freq. response but that speed would probably have 
lots of wow & flutter built in.

John T.

Quoting Kent Merideth <khmerideth at anderson.edu>:

> If you use the BIC, make sure it's one that has the  3 3/4 IPS feature!  At
> least then it stands a chance of coming close to a Nak (680ZX at 15/16 IPS). 
>  ;oP
>  
> Enjoy the music!
>  
> Kent Merideth
> 
> 
> >>> copytec at coqui.net 02/05/04 03:41PM >>>
> NO, I was thinking in the super Sanyo deck ... or a BIC.  HA !
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
> 
> 
> > Great idea Carlos. Just don't dub from the Dragon to the 2 head Realistic
> deck
> > right? ;-)
> >
> > John T.
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Thu Feb  5 19:03:03 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:03:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together
Message-ID: <200402051303_MC3-1-6D88-33F5@compuserve.com>

Hello,

I live in SF. I would like to get together as well with my 700zxe and
Dragon. Please let me know about your plans. I have met with Jim Volpatti
last year, very nice guy. But he is no longer on naktalk, he moved to
audiotalk. Since he is selling high-end audio equipment, perhaps it is best
to get together at his place for listening comparison. Maybe one of us can
contact him about this plan?

_Fuad

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Well so far that makes five - (tentatively) .. I've been corresponding
with Ti offline and he's interested in a audio sound fest .. 

He's got a Dragon, I've got a CR7A to bring (I'm not sure if there's an
interest in bringing another Dragon or CR4A). 

I could talk to some of my Audio Asylum buddies, if they interested in
jumping in (but I should find out if any of them still have cassette
decks).

Mike 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:00 PM
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Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another
Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then
Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ? Anymore
around??? kannan
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  5 19:14:23 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:14:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
Message-ID: <BAY2-F54ydnmKLjqOnX0000e461@hotmail.com>

Hey...how about us guys on the east coast...NYC area?


Neil Lipes


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>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:27:38 -0800
>
>Hey  Mike,
>
>Great idea.....count me in!   Seems like I am the furthest away 
>(Lafayette), and would be happy to travel a bit.  I have 8 Naks running the 
>gammut from Dragon to Cassette Deck 1, and could contribute in any way 
>needed.....machines or materials.....a mini marathon?
>
>Robert Kent
>
>
>I look forward to an assembly of all the great Naks in an accessible
>venue, if there is interest. The greater part of this group may wish to
>have this coordinated off-line.
>
>I welcome your private messages to see if there's considerable
>inclination to gather on a particular day.
>
>Mike
>
>
>Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another
>Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then
>Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ? Anymore
>around???
>
>kannan
>
>
>Yes, I am in Sunnyvale and have sent Mike a private email expressing
>interest in a gathering.  I also offered to bring my Dragon along if
>needed.  Anyone else on this list in the SF bay area?
>
>-Ti
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Feb  5 19:40:04 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:40:04 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Goodies
Message-ID: <38a45f138a7fbb.38a7fbb38a45f1@vsnl.net>

Carlos 
I hope my idea is not a botheration to you. If another copy of this recording can be circulated among Naktalk members to listen to in chain finally to be returned to the original owner; that can an interesting project!- provided it is not a burden. what do you think - as I am really interested to listen to a music performance directly recorded on to a Nak in a studio ! 
kannan
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This morning I received a very nice gift from Mr. Alan Guyes, of =
Virginia. Mr. Guyes is the buyer of audio/video equipment at =
Audiotronics. They're a former Nakamichi dealer in that same state. As =
good dealers of the cassette heyday era in the 80's, they were fortunate =
enough to be taken to Japan by the Nakamichi corporation in order to =
have some good time. They were welcome at the famous Nakamichi Corporate =
Concert Hall and a quartet played for them some Bach concertos. The =
program was recorded live with some Naks mics on various 1000 ZXL with =
dolby C. These originals were given to the attendants.

Mr. Guyes was kind enough to send me a copy of this concert that he =
dubbed from his CR 7 into a fine tuned BX 300. The results, music and =
sound are amazing !!!! I played it back today, as I write this e mail, =
on my Tandberg 3014 A. Simply amazing !

Also, he send me 2 photos: one of the Nakamichi brothers: Ted & Niro in =
front of the Nakamichi Research Center in Tokyo and another one of the =
quartet playing the concertos in the Nak Concert Hall. Circa: 1985.

Just wanted to share this honor with the rest of the gang.

Carlos


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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Thu Feb  5 19:52:25 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:52:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together
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Hi Faud, thanks for the head's up. Since I subscribe to both nalktalk
and audiotalk, I didn't see much traffic generating from audiotalk. 

Is there another secret membership audiotalk that has more traffic than
the few threads I see every other week?

I didn't know Jim has moved on .. Can you take the initiative to fill
him in on our pending plan?

So far, Ti, Kent, Kannan, you and myself are in ... Now we just need to
find a venue ..

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Hello,

I live in SF. I would like to get together as well with my 700zxe and
Dragon. Please let me know about your plans. I have met with Jim
Volpatti last year, very nice guy. But he is no longer on naktalk, he
moved to audiotalk. Since he is selling high-end audio equipment,
perhaps it is best to get together at his place for listening
comparison. Maybe one of us can contact him about this plan?

_Fuad

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Well so far that makes five - (tentatively) .. I've been corresponding
with Ti offline and he's interested in a audio sound fest .. 

He's got a Dragon, I've got a CR7A to bring (I'm not sure if there's an
interest in bringing another Dragon or CR4A). 

I could talk to some of my Audio Asylum buddies, if they interested in
jumping in (but I should find out if any of them still have cassette
decks).

Mike 

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Subject: Re: [naktalk] A San Fran Bay Area Get Together


 
Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another
Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then
Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ? Anymore
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Feb  5 20:39:42 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:39:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Goodies
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El Magnifico wrote:

> This morning I received a very nice gift from Mr. Alan Guyes, of Virginia. Mr. Guyes is the buyer of audio/video equipment at Audiotronics. They're a former Nakamichi dealer in that same state. As good dealers of the cassette heyday era in the 80's, they were fortunate enough to be taken to Japan by the Nakamichi corporation in order to have some good time. They were welcome at the famous Nakamichi Corporate Concert Hall and a quartet played for them some Bach concertos. The program was recorded live with some Naks mics on various 1000 ZXL with dolby C. These originals were given to the attendants.
> 
> Mr. Guyes was kind enough to send me a copy of this concert that he dubbed from his CR 7 into a fine tuned BX 300. The results, music and sound are amazing !!!! I played it back today, as I write this e mail, on my Tandberg 3014 A. Simply amazing !
> 
> Also, he send me 2 photos: one of the Nakamichi brothers: Ted & Niro in front of the Nakamichi Research Center in Tokyo and another one of the quartet playing the concertos in the Nak Concert Hall. Circa: 1985.
> 
> Just wanted to share this honor with the rest of the gang.
> 
> Carlos

Wonderful stuff.

You are touching on a pet subject of mine: what is
the absolutely best cassette recording I have ever
heard. Of course, this changes from time to time.

I recently bought a some used DVD-A discs. The seller
offered a choice of a free bonus to anyone getting three
discs, so I ordered three, just to get the bonus of a
couple of prerecorded cassettes, "Jazz at the Pawnshop".

Those free cassettes turned out to be the prize of the
package -- I listen to them more often that to the
DVD-A discs. This is an obviously live recording of a
jam session, with audience, in a small club. The playing
(I am by no means an expert -- never heard of the
performers) is absolutely superb and the sound... The
sound is so real, that the listener can close his eyes
and truly believe he is right there in the room. It's
easily better than 95% of all LPs, 94% of all CDs and
100% of all tapes out there.

The maker seems to be 'proprius' (never heard of them,
either) and the recording is on type II (CrO2) tape.

-- Ron





From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Feb  5 20:43:29 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:43:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tapes
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F54ydnmKLjqOnX0000e461@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F54ydnmKLjqOnX0000e461@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40229CE1.8000702@rcn.com>


Just received my set. What can I say that hasn't been
said before? It's just loverly!

Mr. Blues... How are you doing with the re-arranged
track list? I am all ready to go with the artwork and
am breathlessly awaiting your input.

-- Ron





From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Thu Feb  5 19:10:53 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:10:53 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers
Message-ID: <19592300@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From c123666 at comcast.net  Thu Feb  5 20:58:44 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CarlC)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:58:44 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks
References: <001001c3ebfc$96828d10$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <009201c3ec22$76251210$1702a8c0@mine>

oakland here with 700 II, CR7A, ZX9, 670
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:27 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] SF Area Naks


  Hey  Mike,

  Great idea.....count me in!   Seems like I am the furthest away (Lafayette), and would be happy to travel a bit.  I have 8 Naks running the gammut from Dragon to Cassette Deck 1, and could contribute in any way needed.....machines or materials.....a mini marathon?

  Robert Kent


  I look forward to an assembly of all the great Naks in an accessible
  venue, if there is interest. The greater part of this group may wish to
  have this coordinated off-line. 

  I welcome your private messages to see if there's considerable
  inclination to gather on a particular day.

  Mike


  Nice Idea Mike - infact Robert kent is in lafayette and another
  Naktalker - named Mathew Brody in  Berkley - both of them I know, then
  Ti kahn is in Sunnyvale - I met him too. Quite a bunch ? Anymore
  around??? 

  kannan


  Yes, I am in Sunnyvale and have sent Mike a private email expressing
  interest in a gathering.  I also offered to bring my Dragon along if
  needed.  Anyone else on this list in the SF bay area?

  -Ti
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Feb  5 21:01:07 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:01:07 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500
Message-ID: <4022A103.2010408@xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

I just received my first Nak 500 today off Ebay.
It has slight problems (i knew when i bought it) and fixed it partially 
by cleaning the 4 connectors inside.
Now what is a good procedure to clean the inner-connectors of the 
main-pcb board? I cleaned the outside-connectors but inside?? Any 
hints/techniques would be welcome!

But it is such a sweet unit, and even has tape calibration screws on the 
outside behind the product/serial plate i didn't know of!

Wouter



From vferdman at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 21:35:09 2004
From: vferdman at yahoo.com (Vladimir Ferdman)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:35:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: lady Nakkers
In-Reply-To: <200402052001.i15K1Wju010126@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20040205203509.92056.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com>

Fred, I can totally understand what you are saying.  My wife is a classical pianist and loves all
kinds of music.  Whenever I get some sort of upgrade to the system or some new audio gear toy and
put on some music source and try to engage my wife in my excitement, she kind of goes along with
me and says "yes, it sounds good", but I can feel that she couldn't care less and probably thinks
the gadget wasn't worth the money spent.  At some point, I think I understood!  Women use their
imagination more and need/want less for machinery.  Women can listen to a good piece of music and
enjoy it on a kiddie Fisher Price cassette player and it will be just as meaningful to them as if
they were listening to it on a multi-thousand dollar system because they use their imagination to
complete the missing picture.  In fact the more they have to complete the more they seem to enjoy
it.  Once I understood this, I began looking differently at music reproduction.  I still enjoy
getting better and better sound, but it really gave me pause at spending a lot of money on a very
small incremental improvement.  This is the world of high end, I am talking about.  If I need to
sit there for an hour doing A-B auditioning to detect a difference in a $5 interconnect and a $500
interconnect (and said difference is going to be lost in the normal listening environment noise
anyway), I need to chalk it up to a waste of time and money.  My wife will actually be much more
willing to spend a lot of money to go to a live performace of music and I can totally undertand
that, since in a live performance there is energy present that can not be captured by ANY
recording equipment - it is spiritual energy.  So, my answer to you is I think women prize this
spiritual energy, which is unpredictable and unreproduceable more than physical prescision, which
is predictable and can be augmented with imagination.  this understanding of women has greatly
expanded my view into male-female (ying-yang) relationships.

Best,
Vladimir


--- Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton) wrote:
 
> Gerald's little love-story got me thinking... Is it the case, as it very much
> appears to be, that there are no lady Nak-talkers? Why not? I certainly know
> many women who love music as much as I do, but I don't know any who love audio
> gear. My dear wife, who is a great music fan and came to me with a great
> collection of American roots music, mostly on vinyl, thinks I'm completely nuts
> to spend hundreds of dollars on obscure 20 year old audio gear. She will
> routinely listen to the $20 GE kitchen radio that we found in our basement
> instead of turning on the multi-thousand dollar system in the next room that
> will pipe the signal to our lovely "pocket Polks" in the kitchen. Do all women
> have tin ears? Or are they right and we ARE nuts?



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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Feb  5 22:15:00 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:15:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers
In-Reply-To: <19592300@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
References: <19592300@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <4022B254.7050409@rcn.com>

Fred Lifton wrote:

> Gerald's little love-story got me thinking... Is it the case, as it very much
> appears to be, that there are no lady Nak-talkers? Why not? I certainly know
> many women who love music as much as I do, but I don't know any who love audio
> gear. My dear wife, who is a great music fan and came to me with a great
> collection of American roots music, mostly on vinyl, thinks I'm completely nuts
> to spend hundreds of dollars on obscure 20 year old audio gear. She will
> routinely listen to the $20 GE kitchen radio that we found in our basement
> instead of turning on the multi-thousand dollar system in the next room that
> will pipe the signal to our lovely "pocket Polks" in the kitchen. Do all women
> have tin ears? Or are they right and we ARE nuts?

Not at all. Women would love audio gear, if it only
had one on/off switch and one volume control. Anything
else completely fazes them out.

-- Ron



> Of course, they would have to put me in restraints to keep me from dragging my
> CR3a into the asylum with me... ;-)
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> --- Gerald wrote:
> i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the intense
> pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond all <snip>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb  6 02:56:22 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:56:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: lady Nakkers
References: <20040205203509.92056.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c3ec54$6c87c130$ad773242@CopyTech>

Very nice Vlad and I concur with you in many things. When I was actively
doing masterings everyday, I use to bring a copy to my house where I can sit
relax and evaluate the quality of the work. Many times I took seriously when
my wife just passing to the kitchen said: " Sounds terrific" or " It doesn't
sound as good as the one yesterday" or things like that. Many times they
don't know the proper vocabulary to describe their audio experience, simply
because they don't care to learn that but in their own words they said what
they feel about audio. One of the many things she use to say was: " Why that
disc sounds so "loud" ? referring to compression and so on.

As the song says ... " It's cheaper to keep her ... " Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vladimir Ferdman" <vferdman at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:35 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: lady Nakkers


> Fred, I can totally understand what you are saying.  My wife is a
classical pianist and loves all
> kinds of music.  Whenever I get some sort of upgrade to the system or some
new audio gear toy and
> put on some music source and try to engage my wife in my excitement, she
kind of goes along with
> me and says "yes, it sounds good", but I can feel that she couldn't care
less and probably thinks
> the gadget wasn't worth the money spent.  At some point, I think I
understood!  Women use their
> imagination more and need/want less for machinery.  Women can listen to a
good piece of music and
> enjoy it on a kiddie Fisher Price cassette player and it will be just as
meaningful to them as if
> they were listening to it on a multi-thousand dollar system because they
use their imagination to
> complete the missing picture.  In fact the more they have to complete the
more they seem to enjoy
> it.  Once I understood this, I began looking differently at music
reproduction.  I still enjoy
> getting better and better sound, but it really gave me pause at spending a
lot of money on a very
> small incremental improvement.  This is the world of high end, I am
talking about.  If I need to
> sit there for an hour doing A-B auditioning to detect a difference in a $5
interconnect and a $500
> interconnect (and said difference is going to be lost in the normal
listening environment noise
> anyway), I need to chalk it up to a waste of time and money.  My wife will
actually be much more
> willing to spend a lot of money to go to a live performace of music and I
can totally undertand
> that, since in a live performance there is energy present that can not be
captured by ANY
> recording equipment - it is spiritual energy.  So, my answer to you is I
think women prize this
> spiritual energy, which is unpredictable and unreproduceable more than
physical prescision, which
> is predictable and can be augmented with imagination.  this understanding
of women has greatly
> expanded my view into male-female (ying-yang) relationships.
>
> Best,
> Vladimir
>
>
> --- Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton) wrote:
>
> > Gerald's little love-story got me thinking... Is it the case, as it very
much
> > appears to be, that there are no lady Nak-talkers? Why not? I certainly
know
> > many women who love music as much as I do, but I don't know any who love
audio
> > gear. My dear wife, who is a great music fan and came to me with a great
> > collection of American roots music, mostly on vinyl, thinks I'm
completely nuts
> > to spend hundreds of dollars on obscure 20 year old audio gear. She will
> > routinely listen to the $20 GE kitchen radio that we found in our
basement
> > instead of turning on the multi-thousand dollar system in the next room
that
> > will pipe the signal to our lovely "pocket Polks" in the kitchen. Do all
women
> > have tin ears? Or are they right and we ARE nuts?
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb  6 03:00:15 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:00:15 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500
References: <4022A103.2010408@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001f01c3ec54$f6fd4fb0$ad773242@CopyTech>

Ohh yes ! I have said many times here how amazing that little piece of audio
sounds. You know, it is important to me because you never expect this
machine to sound so good. I mean, you don't need to listen to a 1000 ZXL or
700 ZXL, Dragon, ZX 7&9 etc ... because you inmediately expect a wonderful
sound, but not with the Nak 500. To me is a hidden treasure and you can get
it for less than $40.00 at ebay, go figures ... !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:01 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500


> Hi All,
>
> I just received my first Nak 500 today off Ebay.
> It has slight problems (i knew when i bought it) and fixed it partially
> by cleaning the 4 connectors inside.
> Now what is a good procedure to clean the inner-connectors of the
> main-pcb board? I cleaned the outside-connectors but inside?? Any
> hints/techniques would be welcome!
>
> But it is such a sweet unit, and even has tape calibration screws on the
> outside behind the product/serial plate i didn't know of!
>
> Wouter
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb  6 03:13:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:13:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Goodies
References: <s021f395.026@mail.anderson.edu><004a01c3ec27$a855f0b0$13773242@CopyTech>
	<40229BFE.1030401@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <002901c3ec56$bf600730$ad773242@CopyTech>

Ron:

Jazz at the Pawnshop is almost a "cult" disc in the High End arena. I have
it on LP and CD and I prefer the sound of the first one so much that I did
my own CD version. The ambience is so amazing and as you said: nothing
impressive about the musician names but excellent performance. There're some
discs like that, I mean, that gain cult status. I always remember "Tricycle"
from Flim & the BB's and "The Night Flight" by Donald Fagen that for 5
consecutive years was declared as the best CD, in the 80's.

Carlos

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Goodies


> El Magnifico wrote:
>
> > This morning I received a very nice gift from Mr. Alan Guyes, of
Virginia. Mr. Guyes is the buyer of audio/video equipment at Audiotronics.
They're a former Nakamichi dealer in that same state. As good dealers of the
cassette heyday era in the 80's, they were fortunate enough to be taken to
Japan by the Nakamichi corporation in order to have some good time. They
were welcome at the famous Nakamichi Corporate Concert Hall and a quartet
played for them some Bach concertos. The program was recorded live with some
Naks mics on various 1000 ZXL with dolby C. These originals were given to
the attendants.
> >
> > Mr. Guyes was kind enough to send me a copy of this concert that he
dubbed from his CR 7 into a fine tuned BX 300. The results, music and sound
are amazing !!!! I played it back today, as I write this e mail, on my
Tandberg 3014 A. Simply amazing !
> >
> > Also, he send me 2 photos: one of the Nakamichi brothers: Ted & Niro in
front of the Nakamichi Research Center in Tokyo and another one of the
quartet playing the concertos in the Nak Concert Hall. Circa: 1985.
> >
> > Just wanted to share this honor with the rest of the gang.
> >
> > Carlos
>
> Wonderful stuff.
>
> You are touching on a pet subject of mine: what is
> the absolutely best cassette recording I have ever
> heard. Of course, this changes from time to time.
>
> I recently bought a some used DVD-A discs. The seller
> offered a choice of a free bonus to anyone getting three
> discs, so I ordered three, just to get the bonus of a
> couple of prerecorded cassettes, "Jazz at the Pawnshop".
>
> Those free cassettes turned out to be the prize of the
> package -- I listen to them more often that to the
> DVD-A discs. This is an obviously live recording of a
> jam session, with audience, in a small club. The playing
> (I am by no means an expert -- never heard of the
> performers) is absolutely superb and the sound... The
> sound is so real, that the listener can close his eyes
> and truly believe he is right there in the room. It's
> easily better than 95% of all LPs, 94% of all CDs and
> 100% of all tapes out there.
>
> The maker seems to be 'proprius' (never heard of them,
> either) and the recording is on type II (CrO2) tape.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb  6 03:16:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:16:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Goodies
References: <38a45f138a7fbb.38a7fbb38a45f1@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <005d01c3ec57$36e45770$ad773242@CopyTech>

I prefer to make a copy out of it. I don't want to risk my "treasure" !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Goodies


> Carlos
> I hope my idea is not a botheration to you. If another copy of this
recording can be circulated among Naktalk members to listen to in chain
finally to be returned to the original owner; that can an interesting
project!- provided it is not a burden. what do you think - as I am really
interested to listen to a music performance directly recorded on to a Nak in
a studio !
> kannan
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Feb  5 21:28:21 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:28:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers
Message-ID: <38b03c038b21fa.38b21fa38b03c0@vsnl.net>

Your nak is competing with your Lady? No wonder men' passion for Watch, Car or audio gear does not appeal to woman. very few known audio tweakers are women - forget about Nak!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2004 10:05 am
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers

> Gerald's little love-story got me thinking... Is it the case, as 
> it very much
> appears to be, that there are no lady Nak-talkers? Why not? I 
> certainly know
> many women who love music as much as I do, but I don't know any 
> who love audio
> gear. My dear wife, who is a great music fan and came to me with a 
> greatcollection of American roots music, mostly on vinyl, thinks 
> I'm completely nuts
> to spend hundreds of dollars on obscure 20 year old audio gear. 
> She will
> routinely listen to the $20 GE kitchen radio that we found in our 
> basementinstead of turning on the multi-thousand dollar system in 
> the next room that
> will pipe the signal to our lovely "pocket Polks" in the kitchen. 
> Do all women
> have tin ears? Or are they right and we ARE nuts?
> 
> Of course, they would have to put me in restraints to keep me from 
> dragging my
> CR3a into the asylum with me... ;-)
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> --- Gerald wrote:
> i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the intense
> pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond 
> all <snip>
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Feb  5 23:16:33 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:16:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500
Message-ID: <38b05d838b6229.38b622938b05d8@vsnl.net>

I remember my experience with a Nak 250 ( or 350 - I do not remember well but sure one of them ) side by side with 700 ZXL by a seller playing through the same system - I was taken back by this little baby sounding as good as the other big brother expensive 700ZXL ! The secret of this sound may be due to its original Nak crystalloy head ?
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2004 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 500

> Ohh yes ! I have said many times here how amazing that little 
> piece of audio
> sounds. You know, it is important to me because you never expect this
> machine to sound so good. I mean, you don't need to listen to a 
> 1000 ZXL or
> 700 ZXL, Dragon, ZX 7&9 etc ... because you inmediately expect a 
> wonderfulsound, but not with the Nak 500. To me is a hidden 
> treasure and you can get
> it for less than $40.00 at ebay, go figures ... !
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:01 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500
> 
> 
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I just received my first Nak 500 today off Ebay.
> > It has slight problems (i knew when i bought it) and fixed it 
> partially> by cleaning the 4 connectors inside.
> > Now what is a good procedure to clean the inner-connectors of the
> > main-pcb board? I cleaned the outside-connectors but inside?? Any
> > hints/techniques would be welcome!
> >
> > But it is such a sweet unit, and even has tape calibration 
> screws on the
> > outside behind the product/serial plate i didn't know of!
> >
> > Wouter
> >
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Feb  6 09:42:20 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:42:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500
In-Reply-To: <001f01c3ec54$f6fd4fb0$ad773242@CopyTech>
References: <4022A103.2010408@xs4all.nl>
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Message-ID: <9826.212.78.179.234.1076056940.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Well, one has to be 'ready' to appreciate things... For me it's the same
with music, first i was in a 80's period (bought matching 80s Naks funny
enough) and now... 70s!
But the 500 is such a nice little machine, and even though it has
mechanical tape transport operation it somehow responds the same like the
80's silent mechanism decks.
And most of all, it's in such a good shape for it's age internally.
Cleaning the connectors fixed about 90% of the problems the seller
mentioned (bought it for $15.50)! Tonight i'll give it a try on my stereo
next to the 1000ZXL, i can imagine recording quality will be the big
difference between them.

Wouter

> Ohh yes ! I have said many times here how amazing that little piece of
> audio
> sounds. You know, it is important to me because you never expect this
> machine to sound so good. I mean, you don't need to listen to a 1000 ZXL
> or
> 700 ZXL, Dragon, ZX 7&9 etc ... because you inmediately expect a wonderful
> sound, but not with the Nak 500. To me is a hidden treasure and you can
> get
> it for less than $40.00 at ebay, go figures ... !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:01 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500
>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just received my first Nak 500 today off Ebay.
>> It has slight problems (i knew when i bought it) and fixed it partially
>> by cleaning the 4 connectors inside.
>> Now what is a good procedure to clean the inner-connectors of the
>> main-pcb board? I cleaned the outside-connectors but inside?? Any
>> hints/techniques would be welcome!
>>
>> But it is such a sweet unit, and even has tape calibration screws on the
>> outside behind the product/serial plate i didn't know of!
>>
>> Wouter
>>
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From ti at amb.org  Fri Feb  6 10:10:19 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:10:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Goodies
In-Reply-To: <40229BFE.1030401@rcn.com> from "Ron" at Feb 05, 2004 02:39:42 PM
Message-ID: <200402060910.JAA21353@amb.org>

Ron writes:
> [ "Jazz at the Pawnshop" from Proprius ]

Yeah, this has been one of my favorites, too.  I have the LP and the CD
editions, and every listen is an great experience.  Stunningly palpable,
great immediacy *and* depth, fantastic imaging, accurate timbre and
realistic dynamics.  Not to mention simply great performance!  I haven't
heard anything else that gives you more of that "you are there" feeling
than this.

In fact Proprius is a great label with a number of excellent recordings.
The Elusive Disc ( http://www.elusivedisc.com , click on "Music")
carries Proprius and many other audiophile labels, and it's worth browsing.

-Ti
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Feb  6 08:26:37 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 09:26:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Goodies
Message-ID: <s0239f6f.095@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Goodness, that's quite an honour to have a copy of such an exclusive
recording, as well as photoraphs of Ted and Niro in 1985.  I feel the
same way as Kannan - if there were some way to share......

I would have one of the pics enlarged for my listening room wall,  Just
thinking outloud.

You're very fortunate Carlos.

Marc


>>> kannan_s at vsnl.com 02/05/04 08:40PM >>>
Carlos 
I hope my idea is not a botheration to you. If another copy of this
recording can be circulated among Naktalk members to listen to in chain
finally to be returned to the original owner; that can an interesting
project!- provided it is not a burden. what do you think - as I am
really interested to listen to a music performance directly recorded on
to a Nak in a studio ! 
kannan
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=
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program was recorded live with some Naks mics on various 1000 ZXL with
=
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Mr. Guyes was kind enough to send me a copy of this concert that he =
dubbed from his CR 7 into a fine tuned BX 300. The results, music and
=
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Also, he send me 2 photos: one of the Nakamichi brothers: Ted & Niro in
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Feb  6 08:27:29 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 09:27:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] My ol reliable gal-the 700 tri-tracer
Message-ID: <s0239f6f.098@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hey Gerald!!! That was TOOOOO good!!

Marc

>>> jmtooley at ce.net 02/05/04 06:33PM >>>
Webmaster, please forward this to Dr. Laura's forum! ;-)

Quoting "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>:

> i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the
intense
> pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond
all
> comparison.My tri-tracer came to me simple, unassuming -asking
nothing
> but to be loved and appreciated.A poor man,i took her in,yet i was
> disdainful of her and desirious of something more beautiful,more
> pleasurable.      Virtouous was she ,and  had integrity, and was the
> kind a man could rely on.No,she was not beautiful..in fact rather
> plain,but many of lonely nights she pleased me with delights so
> pleasurable and intense that they are  memories i treasurestill. Yet
i
> wanted more,i was scornful of her :i wanted those models that the
others
> loved and trasured,and delighted in.I hated her simplistic spartan
> features.I despised her unsohiphisticated abilities..in a fit of rage
 I
> put her on the shelf. Lost and searching i began to ask others about
> their exoitic beauties.One by one the response was the same.."she is
> beautiful beyond all compare they would say-and the ultimate in
sensual
> delight,but she is tempermental, her demands are insatiable...i have
> spent a fortune keeping her up,and still she is  not satisfied. a
DRAGON
> she is,and will consume you thouroughlly and when you have given her
> everything-then she will quit you..then if you spend a fortune she
will
> come back..but for how long? Sad,dejected, i went home confused and
> empty.Alone in the corner  i saw a flash..a glint...a glimmer as i
> turned my head.  it was a faint "sheen'.Even through the dust she
was
> calling me. She was saying "i will be faithfull and true to you, and
i
> wont ask you for any thing in return. I will give you pleasure  for
> years and years! Look at me-yes,no beauty am I,and i cannot dance
like
> my younger sister,but i promise you that if you appreciate me,and
thats
> al i ask,that i will reward you Faithfully. 
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
> 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Feb  6 08:53:35 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 09:53:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers: Shure, Michell etc
Message-ID: <s0239f7a.000@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Fred,

You know, this is an interesting issue, that Gra' in Liverpool has
mentioned before.  Somehow, women are more practical and see audio gear
as an extension of the same list to which blenders, microwaves and
vacuum-cleaners belong.  I.E. A means to an end and simply an appliance
that gets the job done.  One of the few exceptions was my ex-wife (with
whom I remain the best of friends) has a passion for nude tube amps,
vinyl, turntables (particualry Michell and the classic Transcriptors
designs) and panel speakers.  She's just about to buy a Gyrodec SE. 
What can I say?  There's no fooling her with sound.  She'll quicly
identify a metal from a ferric, MP3 from reality and a Nak from the
ordinary.  And she also likes decent moving coils, but when I gave her
one of Ron's posts to read about the Shure V15VMR (I think it was) she
auditioned it, and has already bought it ahead of the turntable!!!  And
by the way, she prefer cassette to any other method of recording!!!!! 
Yeah!!!  For reference, she's 35 (grew up in the cassette generation but
not is averse to new technology) and walks into EVERY real high-fi store
she sees.

Nonetheless, she's still better than me at keeping the music in focus
(and not just the sound).

I better post this on audiotalk too, because even though we couldn't
buy from Jim, it was he who who piqued her interest in Michells. 
Admission at last....

So, believe me, they exist.  Most, she learned from me (and you guys). 
Perhaps audiophiles are made......not born!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/05/04 08:05PM >>>
Gerald's little love-story got me thinking... Is it the case, as it
very much
appears to be, that there are no lady Nak-talkers? Why not? I certainly
know
many women who love music as much as I do, but I don't know any who
love audio
gear. My dear wife, who is a great music fan and came to me with a
great
collection of American roots music, mostly on vinyl, thinks I'm
completely nuts
to spend hundreds of dollars on obscure 20 year old audio gear. She
will
routinely listen to the $20 GE kitchen radio that we found in our
basement
instead of turning on the multi-thousand dollar system in the next room
that
will pipe the signal to our lovely "pocket Polks" in the kitchen. Do
all women
have tin ears? Or are they right and we ARE nuts?

Of course, they would have to put me in restraints to keep me from
dragging my
CR3a into the asylum with me... ;-)

Fred


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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb  6 17:52:49 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:52:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500
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You'll be surprised !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 500


> Well, one has to be 'ready' to appreciate things... For me it's the same
> with music, first i was in a 80's period (bought matching 80s Naks funny
> enough) and now... 70s!
> But the 500 is such a nice little machine, and even though it has
> mechanical tape transport operation it somehow responds the same like the
> 80's silent mechanism decks.
> And most of all, it's in such a good shape for it's age internally.
> Cleaning the connectors fixed about 90% of the problems the seller
> mentioned (bought it for $15.50)! Tonight i'll give it a try on my stereo
> next to the 1000ZXL, i can imagine recording quality will be the big
> difference between them.
>
> Wouter
>
> > Ohh yes ! I have said many times here how amazing that little piece of
> > audio
> > sounds. You know, it is important to me because you never expect this
> > machine to sound so good. I mean, you don't need to listen to a 1000 ZXL
> > or
> > 700 ZXL, Dragon, ZX 7&9 etc ... because you inmediately expect a
wonderful
> > sound, but not with the Nak 500. To me is a hidden treasure and you can
> > get
> > it for less than $40.00 at ebay, go figures ... !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:01 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500
> >
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I just received my first Nak 500 today off Ebay.
> >> It has slight problems (i knew when i bought it) and fixed it partially
> >> by cleaning the 4 connectors inside.
> >> Now what is a good procedure to clean the inner-connectors of the
> >> main-pcb board? I cleaned the outside-connectors but inside?? Any
> >> hints/techniques would be welcome!
> >>
> >> But it is such a sweet unit, and even has tape calibration screws on
the
> >> outside behind the product/serial plate i didn't know of!
> >>
> >> Wouter
> >>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb  6 17:56:03 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:56:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers: Shure, Michell etc
References: <s0239f7a.000@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <003701c3ecd2$1baa9fc0$45773242@CopyTech>

Well, does anybody remember that oriental reviewer at the now defunct Fi
Magazine ? I don't recall her name now ... but I will. Maybe was Dayna B or
something like that ...

Carlos

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From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>; <audiotalk-request at naks.com>;
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] lady Nakkers: Shure, Michell etc


> Hi Fred,
>
> You know, this is an interesting issue, that Gra' in Liverpool has
> mentioned before.  Somehow, women are more practical and see audio gear
> as an extension of the same list to which blenders, microwaves and
> vacuum-cleaners belong.  I.E. A means to an end and simply an appliance
> that gets the job done.  One of the few exceptions was my ex-wife (with
> whom I remain the best of friends) has a passion for nude tube amps,
> vinyl, turntables (particualry Michell and the classic Transcriptors
> designs) and panel speakers.  She's just about to buy a Gyrodec SE.
> What can I say?  There's no fooling her with sound.  She'll quicly
> identify a metal from a ferric, MP3 from reality and a Nak from the
> ordinary.  And she also likes decent moving coils, but when I gave her
> one of Ron's posts to read about the Shure V15VMR (I think it was) she
> auditioned it, and has already bought it ahead of the turntable!!!  And
> by the way, she prefer cassette to any other method of recording!!!!!
> Yeah!!!  For reference, she's 35 (grew up in the cassette generation but
> not is averse to new technology) and walks into EVERY real high-fi store
> she sees.
>
> Nonetheless, she's still better than me at keeping the music in focus
> (and not just the sound).
>
> I better post this on audiotalk too, because even though we couldn't
> buy from Jim, it was he who who piqued her interest in Michells.
> Admission at last....
>
> So, believe me, they exist.  Most, she learned from me (and you guys).
> Perhaps audiophiles are made......not born!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
> >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/05/04 08:05PM >>>
> Gerald's little love-story got me thinking... Is it the case, as it
> very much
> appears to be, that there are no lady Nak-talkers? Why not? I certainly
> know
> many women who love music as much as I do, but I don't know any who
> love audio
> gear. My dear wife, who is a great music fan and came to me with a
> great
> collection of American roots music, mostly on vinyl, thinks I'm
> completely nuts
> to spend hundreds of dollars on obscure 20 year old audio gear. She
> will
> routinely listen to the $20 GE kitchen radio that we found in our
> basement
> instead of turning on the multi-thousand dollar system in the next room
> that
> will pipe the signal to our lovely "pocket Polks" in the kitchen. Do
> all women
> have tin ears? Or are they right and we ARE nuts?
>
> Of course, they would have to put me in restraints to keep me from
> dragging my
> CR3a into the asylum with me... ;-)
>
> Fred
>
>
> --- Gerald wrote:
> i have to admit that ive lusted after others..ive heard of the intense
> pleasure that the exotic, high priced models give;delights beyond all
> <snip>
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Fri Feb  6 14:56:29 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:56:29 EST
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers:  Some Women are AUDIOPHILES LIKE US
Message-ID: <1a5.1f081e02.2d54f70d@aol.com>

Hi Everyone!    On subject of women and hi-end audio,  I think STEREOPHILE  
had a  lady who used to do review at stereophile by name of Lisa and what about 
the lady who owns the company called Manley Tube Amps?!! surely she must have 
a passion for music otherwise she wont be making all those cool tube amps!.  
I think there are lots of women audiophiles like us guys out there but not as 
many as we men are! lol:) at least that what I think, I guess we have never 
met them, as they might be single! :)  Thanks!

Best Regards!
Ali
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Feb  6 15:13:26 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:13:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers:  Some Women are AUDIOPHILES LIKE US
References: <1a5.1f081e02.2d54f70d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c3ecbb$65157390$1410a8c0@tg>

Well, this lady in charge also took my surprise when I first realized shes behind!!!

Their cables do reflect such female warmth :)))

http://www.chord.co.uk/chordweb/index2.htm

Best to all.
T.Gunay


  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] lady Nakkers: Some Women are AUDIOPHILES LIKE US


  Hi Everyone!    On subject of women and hi-end audio,  I think STEREOPHILE  had a  lady who used to do review at stereophile by name of Lisa and what about the lady who owns the company called Manley Tube Amps?!! surely she must have a passion for music otherwise she wont be making all those cool tube amps!.  I think there are lots of women audiophiles like us guys out there but not as many as we men are! lol:) at least that what I think, I guess we have never met them, as they might be single! :)  Thanks!

  Best Regards!
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From fkelly at irpgroup.com  Fri Feb  6 19:09:56 2004
From: fkelly at irpgroup.com (FKelly)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:09:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 680 Schematics..
Message-ID: <000801c3ecdc$6e1906c0$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>

Good Morning:

Does anyone have a copy of the schematics for a  680 that they can fax or email me?

I have the owners manual but not the schematics and I am trying to trace a problem of not being able to record on the left channel. It will play back but not record.

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From mithao at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  6 21:56:09 2004
From: mithao at hotmail.com (Minh Pham)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:56:09 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
Message-ID: <BAY13-F86Ec4wNvsWwm00058165@hotmail.com>

Dear Carlos;
Sorry for this post but I like Nakers know how wonderful you are.
I had your MR-2 and two extra new BASF tapes.
Your Nak sounds beautifully when playing a tape I recorded about 20 years 
ago.
You paid more for shipping. I try to share when I order the Marathon tapes.
You virtually gave it away and I am very fortunate.
Thank you very much.


>From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
>
>OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition MR-2's
>remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't want to
>loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs it,
>well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
>
>Just let me know ...
>
>Carlos
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Feb  6 22:05:29 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:05:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Goodies
In-Reply-To: <004a01c3ec27$a855f0b0$13773242@CopyTech>
References: <s021f395.026@mail.anderson.edu>
	<004a01c3ec27$a855f0b0$13773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <40240199.2070901@xs4all.nl>

Carlos your post made me look for my 'The Stillness of Dawn' record by 
Nakamichi, a 'High-Com II Demonstration Record'... 'Limited Edition  - 
Not For Sale'!  Found it a few years ago in a local second hand record 
store in the sound effects section.... only $2!
Anyone else oen these? Or other Nak records like this? Catalog id 'NAK-100'!
I have to hook it up to my turntable with my High Comm II and record it 
on a good tape!

Wouter

El Magnifico wrote:

>  
> This morning I received a very nice gift from Mr. Alan Guyes, of 
> Virginia. Mr. Guyes is the buyer of audio/video equipment at 
> Audiotronics. They're a former Nakamichi dealer in that same state. As 
> good dealers of the cassette heyday era in the 80's, they were 
> fortunate enough to be taken to Japan by the Nakamichi corporation in 
> order to have some good time. They were welcome at the famous 
> Nakamichi Corporate Concert Hall and a quartet played for them some 
> Bach concertos. The program was recorded live with some Naks mics on 
> various 1000 ZXL with dolby C. These originals were given to the 
> attendants.
>  
> Mr. Guyes was kind enough to send me a copy of this concert that he 
> dubbed from his CR 7 into a fine tuned BX 300. The results, music and 
> sound are amazing !!!! I played it back today, as I write this e mail, 
> on my Tandberg 3014 A. Simply amazing !
>  
> Also, he send me 2 photos: one of the Nakamichi brothers: Ted & Niro 
> in front of the Nakamichi Research Center in Tokyo and another one of 
> the quartet playing the concertos in the Nak Concert Hall. Circa: 1985.
>  
> Just wanted to share this honor with the rest of the gang.
>  
> Carlos
>  





From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb  7 02:12:15 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:12:15 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
References: <BAY13-F86Ec4wNvsWwm00058165@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c3ed17$6cced1b0$0f773242@CopyTech>

Enjoy it ! I'm glad you receive it intact .

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale


> Dear Carlos;
> Sorry for this post but I like Nakers know how wonderful you are.
> I had your MR-2 and two extra new BASF tapes.
> Your Nak sounds beautifully when playing a tape I recorded about 20 years
> ago.
> You paid more for shipping. I try to share when I order the Marathon
tapes.
> You virtually gave it away and I am very fortunate.
> Thank you very much.
>
>
> >From: "Carlitos Jr." <copytec at coqui.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] MR-2's for sale
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:33:00 -0600
> >
> >OK you guys. Many of you know that I still have 3 top condition MR-2's
> >remaining of my duplication years. These decks are mint. I don't want to
> >loose it all,so, if any of you needs one or know somebody who needs it,
> >well, I 'll sell it for $50.00 each plus shipping (around 15.00).
> >
> >Just let me know ...
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> >
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb  7 02:41:26 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:41:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Goodies
References: <s021f395.026@mail.anderson.edu><004a01c3ec27$a855f0b0$13773242@CopyTech>
	<40240199.2070901@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <000b01c3ed1b$80a25cd0$0f773242@CopyTech>

I have a cassette recording from Nakamichi-Sheffield Labs that I bought from
Mr. Tooley 2 years ago. Real time recording "James Newton Howard and
Friends" (musicians from TOTO). I have the CD from Sheffield too. Amazing,
crispy clear sound. The only drawback: over the average hiss content.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Goodies


> Carlos your post made me look for my 'The Stillness of Dawn' record by
> Nakamichi, a 'High-Com II Demonstration Record'... 'Limited Edition  -
> Not For Sale'!  Found it a few years ago in a local second hand record
> store in the sound effects section.... only $2!
> Anyone else oen these? Or other Nak records like this? Catalog id
'NAK-100'!
> I have to hook it up to my turntable with my High Comm II and record it
> on a good tape!
>
> Wouter
>
> El Magnifico wrote:
>
> >
> > This morning I received a very nice gift from Mr. Alan Guyes, of
> > Virginia. Mr. Guyes is the buyer of audio/video equipment at
> > Audiotronics. They're a former Nakamichi dealer in that same state. As
> > good dealers of the cassette heyday era in the 80's, they were
> > fortunate enough to be taken to Japan by the Nakamichi corporation in
> > order to have some good time. They were welcome at the famous
> > Nakamichi Corporate Concert Hall and a quartet played for them some
> > Bach concertos. The program was recorded live with some Naks mics on
> > various 1000 ZXL with dolby C. These originals were given to the
> > attendants.
> >
> > Mr. Guyes was kind enough to send me a copy of this concert that he
> > dubbed from his CR 7 into a fine tuned BX 300. The results, music and
> > sound are amazing !!!! I played it back today, as I write this e mail,
> > on my Tandberg 3014 A. Simply amazing !
> >
> > Also, he send me 2 photos: one of the Nakamichi brothers: Ted & Niro
> > in front of the Nakamichi Research Center in Tokyo and another one of
> > the quartet playing the concertos in the Nak Concert Hall. Circa: 1985.
> >
> > Just wanted to share this honor with the rest of the gang.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
>
>
>
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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 00:06:03 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:06:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Factory calibration?
Message-ID: <20040206230603.57323.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com>

Does Nakamichi factory calibrate there decks to a
specific brand of tape at the factory,even the decks
with a manual bias control?I am awaiting my CR-3A from
ebay.Thanks for any help,Keith H.

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From ti at amb.org  Sat Feb  7 00:10:15 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:10:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Factory calibration?
In-Reply-To: <20040206230603.57323.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> from "Keith
	Hugo" at Feb 06, 2004 03:06:03 PM
Message-ID: <200402062310.XAA07428@amb.org>

Keith Hugo writes:
> Does Nakamichi factory calibrate there decks to a
> specific brand of tape at the factory,even the decks
> with a manual bias control?I am awaiting my CR-3A from
> ebay.Thanks for any help,Keith H.

I believe they calibrate them to their own brand of cassettes
(Nakamichi EX, SX and ZX), which are supposedly just OEM versions
of the TDK AD, SA and MA.

-Ti
-- 
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   2 4 6


From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb  7 06:46:22 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:46:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Up Date
References: <BAY13-F86Ec4wNvsWwm00058165@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002801c3ed3d$b8bce140$e3773242@CopyTech>

The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:

Randall Greseth
Roy Svensson

The following guys were on hold. You can now send your funds to receive your
set:

Brian Stocker
Kannan (second set for your friend)
Gary Beyer
Harshad Khatri
Scott Caldwell

Check, MO or cash to:

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

Thanks !



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sat Feb  7 05:02:11 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:02:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 680 Schematics..
In-Reply-To: <000801c3ecdc$6e1906c0$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
References: <000801c3ecdc$6e1906c0$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
Message-ID: <40246343.3090903@rcn.com>

FKelly wrote:
> Good Morning:
> 
> Does anyone have a copy of the schematics for a  680 that they can fax or email me?
> 
> I have the owners manual but not the schematics and I am trying to trace a problem of not being able to record on the left channel. It will play back but not record.
> 
> Thanks....Frank
> 

Service manual of the 680ZX used to be on the naks.com
support site. Ask Wouter for permission to download it.

-- Ron




From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sat Feb  7 06:53:11 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:53:11 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D390@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I should look
for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much treble), on a
budget.

	Regards,
	
	Tom Siomopoulos.


From mdevera at compuserve.com  Sat Feb  7 07:23:18 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:23:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers: Shure, Michell etc
In-Reply-To: <003701c3ecd2$1baa9fc0$45773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001f01c3ed42$e09966c0$1e01000a@c994264f>

You can never forget Astor's Corner in S'Phile ... (grin)

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of El Magnifico
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:56 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] lady Nakkers: Shure, Michell etc


 
Well, does anybody remember that oriental reviewer at the now defunct Fi
Magazine ? I don't recall her name now ... but I will. Maybe was Dayna B
or something like that ...

Carlos




From RTLehe at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 14:17:09 2004
From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 08:17:09 EST
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers
Message-ID: <130.2ad560ba.2d563f55@aol.com>

I showed Gerald's note, which she read with a chuckle.  She also is a music 
loving pianist and utterly indifferent to sonic fidelity beyond a certain basic 
minimum.

Tad
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb  7 18:29:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:29:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D390@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001301c3ed9f$e03182f0$34773242@CopyTech>

I use to have a Koetsu Black mc cartridge for long. The price was $669.00
about 2- years ago. When it died, I installed a Grado of $50.00 and that's
the one that still running today. Grado has always been one of the best for
the price. They also have 1k+ wood cartridges too ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:53 PM
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge


> Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
> audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I should
look
> for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
> highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much treble), on a
> budget.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Siomopoulos.
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Feb  7 14:58:05 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 07:58:05 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Prep)
Message-ID: <004e01c3ed82$691b15e0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>


Greetings,

Just catching up on a few NakTalk digests, reading that many NakTalkers are now receiving their Marathon Tapes project discs.  Received my set yesterday, and I'm previewing as I write this email.

Nice compilation, excellent reproduction & duplication.  A really nice outcome to our group effort.

To make some swift progress on the playlist, I can pick out the obvious tracks from the original webpage info, but many of the final tracks are listed as "to be determined'.  So, what I need is for each contributor to email me directly with essential info that was written on the transit sheets we were hand writing as the tapes passed along to each person.  Carlos mis-placed the original lists during his journies to/from California last year).  The sooner we have responses to me, the sooner we'll have a complete playlist.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Email me directly with the vital info for your contribution, and the track placement on disc at:

kjbleus at charter.net

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Examples....

1)    "There'll be Some Changes Made", performed by Diahann Carroll with the Duke Ellington Orchestra 
          Ron Hoffman, Framingham, Massachussetts, USA 
          Nak CR7A, recording made 1 July 2002 

2)    "Vibraciones Positivas", performed by YaYa, produced and engineered by El Magnifico 
          Carlos Guzman, Puerto Rico 
          Nak Dragon, recording made 31 May 2002 

3)


Disc Two

1)    "?????" Jazz instrumental

2)    "Rann Na Mana", performed by Capercaille (Scottish modern folk-rock group, singing in Gaelic) 
          Graham Nelson, Liverpool, England UK 
          Nak ZX9, recording made 5 July 2002 

3)    "Mi Madre, Mi Hija", performed by Santana, remastered by MoFi Sound Labs 
        K.J. Bleus, Madison, Wisconsin USA 
         Nak ZX7, recording made 16 June 2002        

3)    "Too Many Ups And Downs", performed by Terry Evans 
          John R. Walker, Isle of Portland, England, UK 
          Nak 700II, recording made 18 July 2002 

4)

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


I'll update with a progress report as I have a better draft of the playlist.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net




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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:43:29 -0500
From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tapes
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>


Just received my set. What can I say that hasn't been
said before? It's just loverly!

Mr. Blues... How are you doing with the re-arranged
track list? I am all ready to go with the artwork and
am breathlessly awaiting your input.

-- Ron


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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sat Feb  7 15:22:18 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 09:22:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D390@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D390@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <4024F49A.7020905@rcn.com>

Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:
> Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
> audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I should look
> for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
> highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much treble), on a
> budget.
> 
> 	Regards,
> 	
> 	Tom Siomopoulos.

The high output Ortofons (say. MC-20 or a successor model)
should do nicely for your taste: mellow, sweet and not at
all forward. I am not sure what they go for these days.

My own taste goes for analytical, accurate sound; something
akin to what one hears in second row center in a concert. I
prefer the Shure V-15 series cartridges -- bright and
articulate. You can get the latest (V-15VMR, I think) for
about $300.

-- Ron




From RTLehe at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 15:46:44 2004
From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:46:44 EST
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers
Message-ID: <12d.3a9878b3.2d565454@aol.com>

Hit send before proofing.  It was my wife who read Gerald's note with 
amusement, having the same indifference to audio as his wife.

Tad
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sat Feb  7 15:53:09 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 09:53:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers
In-Reply-To: <130.2ad560ba.2d563f55@aol.com>
References: <130.2ad560ba.2d563f55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4024FBD5.7050106@rcn.com>

RTLehe at aol.com wrote:

> I showed Gerald's note, which she read with a chuckle.  She also is a music 
> loving pianist and utterly indifferent to sonic fidelity beyond a certain basic 
> minimum.
> 
> Tad

On the subject of 'Ladies and High Fidelity'. I recall
comments made to me by two ladies that I greatly admire.

The first: many years ago, I got a call from a lady that
wanted a sound system 'for her work'. Turned out she was
the foremost song writer (lyrics and music) in the
country, a very versatile artist that has dabbled in stage
appearances, concerts and recordings, a highly respected
serious poet as well. "Others" she said "quaff sound as
champagne. All *I* want is to hear the recording".

The second memory concerns my sister. She was a pianist
of unusual ability and headed towards a career as a
concert pianist, until a blood clot in her right wrist
necessitated an operation that put an end to that
ambition. She wanted a simple sound system and chose a
MONO [gasp] system... "I don't need an audiophile
system." she explained "It always sounds exactly right
-- in my head".

BTW, I designed, manufactured, sold and installed sound
systems for a living for quite a few years. During all
those years I do not recall a single woman as a high
quality sound system client. Not one, not ever.

-- Ron





From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb  7 15:54:54 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:54:54 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
In-Reply-To: <4024F49A.7020905@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3ed8a$58acdf60$5d70893e@oemcomputer>

I'd add to Ron's comments that you can slowly upgrade using the Ortofon
route as they have different quality styli in the same body shell.  Hence,
when you could afford it you could buy the MC-30 or MC-40.  (I also believe
there is a MC-40SE, or something like that.)  I have the 40 on my GL78.
Does a cracking job.  All the better because I can slip out the stylus and
pop in the MC-78 for when I want to play 78 rpm records.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: 07 February 2004 14:22
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
>
>
> Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:
> > Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
> > audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I
> should look
> > for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
> > highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much
> treble), on a
> > budget.
> >
> > 	Regards,
> >
> > 	Tom Siomopoulos.
>
> The high output Ortofons (say. MC-20 or a successor model)
> should do nicely for your taste: mellow, sweet and not at
> all forward. I am not sure what they go for these days.
>
> My own taste goes for analytical, accurate sound; something
> akin to what one hears in second row center in a concert. I
> prefer the Shure V-15 series cartridges -- bright and
> articulate. You can get the latest (V-15VMR, I think) for
> about $300.
>
> -- Ron
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb  7 21:17:27 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:17:27 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers
References: <130.2ad560ba.2d563f55@aol.com> <4024FBD5.7050106@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <002701c3edb7$6890bd20$97773242@CopyTech>

Have a nyone seen Whoopie Goldberg system ? It was showed in an Audio Video
Interior issue years ago. Over $50,000 in gear that includes her surround
system driven by Krells and Martin Logans !!!!

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] lady Nakkers


> RTLehe at aol.com wrote:
>
> > I showed Gerald's note, which she read with a chuckle.  She also is a
music
> > loving pianist and utterly indifferent to sonic fidelity beyond a
certain basic
> > minimum.
> >
> > Tad
>
> On the subject of 'Ladies and High Fidelity'. I recall
> comments made to me by two ladies that I greatly admire.
>
> The first: many years ago, I got a call from a lady that
> wanted a sound system 'for her work'. Turned out she was
> the foremost song writer (lyrics and music) in the
> country, a very versatile artist that has dabbled in stage
> appearances, concerts and recordings, a highly respected
> serious poet as well. "Others" she said "quaff sound as
> champagne. All *I* want is to hear the recording".
>
> The second memory concerns my sister. She was a pianist
> of unusual ability and headed towards a career as a
> concert pianist, until a blood clot in her right wrist
> necessitated an operation that put an end to that
> ambition. She wanted a simple sound system and chose a
> MONO [gasp] system... "I don't need an audiophile
> system." she explained "It always sounds exactly right
> -- in my head".
>
> BTW, I designed, manufactured, sold and installed sound
> systems for a living for quite a few years. During all
> those years I do not recall a single woman as a high
> quality sound system client. Not one, not ever.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  7 17:14:54 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:14:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
Message-ID: <BAY2-F171nlXT2UACfQ0004f08a@hotmail.com>

None better than Grado for your purposes..


>From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
>Reply-To: ra.ah at rcn.com,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
>Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 09:22:18 -0500
>
>Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:
>>Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
>>audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I should 
>>look
>>for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
>>highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much treble), on a
>>budget.
>>
>>	Regards,
>>
>>	Tom Siomopoulos.
>
>The high output Ortofons (say. MC-20 or a successor model)
>should do nicely for your taste: mellow, sweet and not at
>all forward. I am not sure what they go for these days.
>
>My own taste goes for analytical, accurate sound; something
>akin to what one hears in second row center in a concert. I
>prefer the Shure V-15 series cartridges -- bright and
>articulate. You can get the latest (V-15VMR, I think) for
>about $300.
>
>-- Ron
>
>
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Feb  7 22:44:01 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:44:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] moving magnet cartridge
Message-ID: <25188-40255C21-1196@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

many audiophiliacs consider the mid-level audio-technica cartridges as
excellent choices.

thank you very much,
gerald



From mdevera at compuserve.com  Sat Feb  7 23:22:22 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:22:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] moving magnet cartridge
In-Reply-To: <25188-40255C21-1196@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <003d01c3edc8$dc047e70$1e01000a@c994264f>

Clearaudio Beta Mkll gets my vote here. I've started there and moved up
their line ..



From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Feb  6 20:08:12 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:08:12 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers: Shure, Michell etc
In-Reply-To: <s0239f7a.000@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000001c3ece4$912c3d00$6176893e@oemcomputer>

Mark

She sounds wonderful ... give me her address and I'll arrange for my divorce
immediately!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: 06 February 2004 07:54
> To: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu; audiotalk-request at naks.com;
> naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] lady Nakkers: Shure, Michell etc
>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> You know, this is an interesting issue, that Gra' in Liverpool has
> mentioned before.  Somehow, women are more practical and see audio gear
> as an extension of the same list to which blenders, microwaves and
> vacuum-cleaners belong.  I.E. A means to an end and simply an appliance
> that gets the job done.  One of the few exceptions was my ex-wife (with
> whom I remain the best of friends) has a passion for nude tube amps,
> vinyl, turntables (particualry Michell and the classic Transcriptors
> designs) and panel speakers.  She's just about to buy a Gyrodec SE.
> What can I say?  There's no fooling her with sound.  She'll quicly
> identify a metal from a ferric, MP3 from reality and a Nak from the
> ordinary.  And she also likes decent moving coils, but when I gave her
> one of Ron's posts to read about the Shure V15VMR (I think it was) she
> auditioned it, and has already bought it ahead of the turntable!!!  And
> by the way, she prefer cassette to any other method of recording!!!!!
> Yeah!!!  For reference, she's 35 (grew up in the cassette generation but
> not is averse to new technology) and walks into EVERY real high-fi store
> she sees.
>
> Nonetheless, she's still better than me at keeping the music in focus
> (and not just the sound).
>
> I better post this on audiotalk too, because even though we couldn't
> buy from Jim, it was he who who piqued her interest in Michells.
> Admission at last....
>
> So, believe me, they exist.  Most, she learned from me (and you guys).
> Perhaps audiophiles are made......not born!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>
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From guckux at gmx.de  Fri Feb  6 23:31:34 2004
From: guckux at gmx.de (Stefan)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:31:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Need simple help
Message-ID: <402415C6.1050107@gmx.de>

Guckux

One year ago I get from a friend an old Nakamichi 582 - a dream get 
reality, I have a Nakamichi Tape deck!

But I haven't any manual with it - can anyone help me?
First simple question: Which tapes are meant with the Band selector of 
SX, EX and ZX? I know, it should be CRO2, Metal and s.th. else...


From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb  7 11:50:00 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:50:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D390@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000001c3ed68$22b254c0$7d814c51@oemcomputer>

What is your budget, Tom??

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> Sent: 07 February 2004 05:53
> To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail)
> Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
> 
> 
> Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
> audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I 
> should look
> for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
> highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much treble), on a
> budget.
> 
> 	Regards,
> 	
> 	Tom Siomopoulos.
>
> 
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb  7 16:51:06 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:51:06 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] POWER CABLE COLOURS/COLORS
In-Reply-To: <000501c3ed8a$58acdf60$5d70893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000801c3ed92$32469340$5d70893e@oemcomputer>

Guys

Please forgive this off-topic enquiry but, like Tom, AudioTalk has rejected
my message.

Would someone remind me, please?

Black
White
Green

These are not the colours I'm used to seeing in the UK!  Which is Live,
which Neutral and which is Ground/Earth?

Green = Earth?
Black = Live?
White = Neutral?

Gra'
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb  7 22:25:14 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:25:14 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] lady Nakkers
In-Reply-To: <002701c3edb7$6890bd20$97773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000001c3edc0$e04926a0$d0844c51@oemcomputer>

Interesting.  Somehow can't seem to hear her saying "Go and buy me
something, darling ... here's some money ..."  I'd have thought she was the
kind of cat to say "No, I wanna hear it first!"

The BBC Music magazine ran a few feature about top pro' classical musicians
sound systems - it was interesting to see how some of them had very modest
gear ... and (to keep this on topic) I didn't see ONE Nak cassette deck!!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 07 February 2004 20:17
> To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] lady Nakkers
>
>
> Have a nyone seen Whoopie Goldberg system ? It was showed in an
> Audio Video
> Interior issue years ago. Over $50,000 in gear that includes her surround
> system driven by Krells and Martin Logans !!!!
>
> Carlos
>
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From ti at amb.org  Sun Feb  8 02:06:45 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:06:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Need simple help
In-Reply-To: <402415C6.1050107@gmx.de> from "Stefan" at Feb 06,
	2004 11:31:34 PM
Message-ID: <200402080106.BAA17540@amb.org>

Stefan writes:
> First simple question: Which tapes are meant with the Band selector of 
> SX, EX and ZX? I know, it should be CRO2, Metal and s.th. else...

EX = Standard (type I)
SX = High bias, CrO2 (type II)
ZX = Metal (type IV)

-Ti
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From hisself at ol-jim.com  Sun Feb  8 04:44:43 2004
From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:44:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] POWER CABLE COLOURS/COLORS
In-Reply-To: <000801c3ed92$32469340$5d70893e@oemcomputer>
References: <000501c3ed8a$58acdf60$5d70893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <40256A5B.18052.156C992B@localhost>

> These are not the colours I'm used to seeing in the UK!  Which is
> Live, which Neutral and which is Ground/Earth?
> 
> Green = Earth?
> Black = Live?
> White = Neutral?
> 
> Gra'


You got it, Gra'!   For our 117v, Green is grounded directly to the box/conduit/earth.  
White is the neutral, and Black is the hot side.

Since we developed the transmission of electricity, I don';t understand why the rest of 
the world cannot follow our lead. This 220v, 50 hertz stuff is just wrong!

Ol' Jim, hisself

hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com



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rest of your Bill of Rights.



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Feb  8 05:44:45 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:44:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] the missng link 
Message-ID: <7783-4025BEBD-1398@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

hi,i would like to comment on an often underlooked part of our
mega-dollar audiophile systems,OUR EARS! The greatest  G. Nelson has
Posted an Link to a hearing test on the greatest Wouters  Audiotalk
page.Are your ears the weakest link in your system? Once i had "golden
ears",but after years of real world abuse,there may not be much point in
going after those tweeks and refinements that are supposed to make our
NAKS sound that much better.

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Feb  8 06:37:21 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:37:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
Message-ID: <7791-4025CB11-462@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

some while ago,i  made a post declaring my intent to store my Mint Nak
RX303  for investment purposes,and to be able to enjoy it at some later
time . Subsequently I was deluged and bombarded with replies stating ,in
effect,that Naks melted down in storage,and thus must be used immediatly
if not sooner. Well I dont know of too many consumer appliances,from a
Volkswagen on down to a microwave,that are resistant to long term
storage in a reasonably cool dry place.Is there something in the
charecter,or make up, of a Vintage Nakamichi that  makes it autoimmune
to Putting Away in a cool dry place with silicone absorbant or
something?

thank you very much,
gerald



From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Sun Feb  8 07:04:26 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 01:04:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
References: <7791-4025CB11-462@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <005701c3ee09$6831b3f0$6601a8c0@cn593434a>

Gerald,

I am storing a new in box DR-10 in a cool dry place and intend to keep it
there until;

1) I need it to play tapes, or
2) someone makes me an offer that I cannot refuse.

Until then, it will stay new-in-box.  I may pull it out once or twice a year
to see that it powers up and that the capstans spin, but other than that it
will remain new in the box with all of its original packings.

After saying that, I will say that there is indeed wisdom in using gas and
oil powered machines on a regular basis, but Naks have very little oil and
no gas.  The rubber and plastic parts will harden with time if used or not,
so my philosophy is to use my unused Nak as little as possible, and I am
sticking to it.  Nothing stays young forever in this world and my opinion
may be wrong in the end, but that is the one I feel is the best given the
experiences I have seen.  Best of luck with yours.
Dean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 12:37 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak


> some while ago,i  made a post declaring my intent to store my Mint Nak
> RX303  for investment purposes,and to be able to enjoy it at some later
> time . Subsequently I was deluged and bombarded with replies stating ,in
> effect,that Naks melted down in storage,and thus must be used immediatly
> if not sooner. Well I dont know of too many consumer appliances,from a
> Volkswagen on down to a microwave,that are resistant to long term
> storage in a reasonably cool dry place.Is there something in the
> charecter,or make up, of a Vintage Nakamichi that  makes it autoimmune
> to Putting Away in a cool dry place with silicone absorbant or
> something?
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From ti at amb.org  Sun Feb  8 07:07:20 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:07:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
In-Reply-To: <7791-4025CB11-462@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net> from "Gerald G."
	at Feb 07, 2004 11:37:21 PM
Message-ID: <200402080607.GAA18986@amb.org>

Gerald G. writes:
> some while ago,i  made a post declaring my intent to store my Mint Nak
> RX303  for investment purposes,and to be able to enjoy it at some later
> time . Subsequently I was deluged and bombarded with replies stating ,in
> effect,that Naks melted down in storage,and thus must be used immediatly
> if not sooner. Well I dont know of too many consumer appliances,from a
> Volkswagen on down to a microwave,that are resistant to long term
> storage in a reasonably cool dry place.Is there something in the
> charecter,or make up, of a Vintage Nakamichi that  makes it autoimmune
> to Putting Away in a cool dry place with silicone absorbant or
> something?

Any machinery with moving parts and electronics, whether be it a tape
deck or a car, will "rot" if not used.

Use the car as an example, if not run for a long time, the tires
will flat-spot where it sits, the fuel will gel up, gaskets and seals
would dry up and develop leaks, all the oil and lubrication in the
engine will completely drain into the sump, causing metal-to-metal
contact between moving parts (which at best would cause premature wear
when you eventually start it again, and at worse it might seize up)...

Not all that different for a tape deck really, and Nakamichi isn't
any different than other brands.  If you don't at least power it up
and let things run periodically, the lubrication in the moving
parts will harden, the belts (if any) would become stretched in a
certain shape, the gears might bind, and some electronics will lose
their tolerance (especially electrolytic capacitors).

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6


From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Feb  8 12:00:48 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:00:48 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] POWER CABLE COLOURS/COLORS
References: <000501c3ed8a$58acdf60$5d70893e@oemcomputer>
	<40256A5B.18052.156C992B@localhost>
Message-ID: <001101c3ee32$ceffec40$43a34d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

as long as earth-green shouldnt matter about the others polarity
p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" <hisself at ol-jim.com>
To: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] POWER CABLE COLOURS/COLORS


> > These are not the colours I'm used to seeing in the UK!  Which is
> > Live, which Neutral and which is Ground/Earth?
> >
> > Green = Earth?
> > Black = Live?
> > White = Neutral?
> >
> > Gra'
>
>
> You got it, Gra'!   For our 117v, Green is grounded directly to the
box/conduit/earth.
> White is the neutral, and Black is the hot side.
>
> Since we developed the transmission of electricity, I don';t understand
why the rest of
> the world cannot follow our lead. This 220v, 50 hertz stuff is just wrong!
>
> Ol' Jim, hisself
>
> hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com
>
>
>
> Gun Control is life insurance for those Government Officials scheming to
steal the
> rest of your Bill of Rights.
>
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Feb  8 12:04:30 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:04:30 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
References: <200402080607.GAA18986@amb.org>
Message-ID: <002301c3ee33$535e7d30$43a34d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

the only thing is the belts will deteriorate,whether used or not
p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak


> Gerald G. writes:
> > some while ago,i  made a post declaring my intent to store my Mint Nak
> > RX303  for investment purposes,and to be able to enjoy it at some later
> > time . Subsequently I was deluged and bombarded with replies stating ,in
> > effect,that Naks melted down in storage,and thus must be used immediatly
> > if not sooner. Well I dont know of too many consumer appliances,from a
> > Volkswagen on down to a microwave,that are resistant to long term
> > storage in a reasonably cool dry place.Is there something in the
> > charecter,or make up, of a Vintage Nakamichi that  makes it autoimmune
> > to Putting Away in a cool dry place with silicone absorbant or
> > something?
>
> Any machinery with moving parts and electronics, whether be it a tape
> deck or a car, will "rot" if not used.
>
> Use the car as an example, if not run for a long time, the tires
> will flat-spot where it sits, the fuel will gel up, gaskets and seals
> would dry up and develop leaks, all the oil and lubrication in the
> engine will completely drain into the sump, causing metal-to-metal
> contact between moving parts (which at best would cause premature wear
> when you eventually start it again, and at worse it might seize up)...
>
> Not all that different for a tape deck really, and Nakamichi isn't
> any different than other brands.  If you don't at least power it up
> and let things run periodically, the lubrication in the moving
> parts will harden, the belts (if any) would become stretched in a
> certain shape, the gears might bind, and some electronics will lose
> their tolerance (especially electrolytic capacitors).
>
> -Ti
> --
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb  8 18:52:18 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:52:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
References: <200402080607.GAA18986@amb.org>
Message-ID: <001101c3ee6c$4c8ccb40$48773242@CopyTech>

Gerald: My experience with storing electronic components has not been
pleasant. 3 years ago when I use to have almost 70 pieces, most of them were
stored properly but many of them developed some kind of malaise with lack of
use. If you are going to store your 303, just be sure to run it at least 3
times a year. Even thoug, it is not guaranteed against defects. I bought a
1000 ZXL that was stored in a closset for 10 years. Never played a full C-90
before storing it. When she woke up again, many electronic components were
"gone" including the expensive eprom.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak


> Gerald G. writes:
> > some while ago,i  made a post declaring my intent to store my Mint Nak
> > RX303  for investment purposes,and to be able to enjoy it at some later
> > time . Subsequently I was deluged and bombarded with replies stating ,in
> > effect,that Naks melted down in storage,and thus must be used immediatly
> > if not sooner. Well I dont know of too many consumer appliances,from



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Feb  8 16:19:04 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:19:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] POWER CABLE COLOURS/COLORS
In-Reply-To: <001101c3ee32$ceffec40$43a34d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <000501c3ed8a$58acdf60$5d70893e@oemcomputer>	<40256A5B.18052.156C992B@localhost>
	<001101c3ee32$ceffec40$43a34d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <40265368.6040300@rcn.com>


Not really. Correct line and neutral connections do matter.

-- Ron


p r wrote:
> as long as earth-green shouldnt matter about the others polarity
> p
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" <hisself at ol-jim.com>
> To: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
> Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] POWER CABLE COLOURS/COLORS
> 
> 
> 
>>>These are not the colours I'm used to seeing in the UK!  Which is
>>>Live, which Neutral and which is Ground/Earth?
>>>
>>>Green = Earth?
>>>Black = Live?
>>>White = Neutral?
>>>
>>>Gra'
>>
>>
>>You got it, Gra'!   For our 117v, Green is grounded directly to the
> 
> box/conduit/earth.
> 
>>White is the neutral, and Black is the hot side.
>>
>>Since we developed the transmission of electricity, I don';t understand
> 
> why the rest of
> 
>>the world cannot follow our lead. This 220v, 50 hertz stuff is just wrong!
>>
>>Ol' Jim, hisself
>>
>>hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Gun Control is life insurance for those Government Officials scheming to
> 
> steal the
> 
>>rest of your Bill of Rights.
>>




From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Feb  8 16:26:31 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:26:31 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000a01c3ee57$ee2edd40$803e4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

in that case the lead shouldnt be used as it is probably a usa 120v lead!, not rated for 240v
phill
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Feb  8 16:29:51 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:29:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
In-Reply-To: <002301c3ee33$535e7d30$43a34d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <200402080607.GAA18986@amb.org>
	<002301c3ee33$535e7d30$43a34d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <402655EF.9090602@rcn.com>


Really? How about hardening grease? Moisture
accumulating inside motors, corroding bearings?
Electrolytic capacitors developing leakage due to
non-use? Glue on PCB (specifically on Naks)
developing leakage? Internal batteries dying?
Exposed copper oxidizing? Etc., etc..

If you *must* store electronic equipment make sure
to include lots of desiccant in the box. Seal the
box well. Keep away from humidity. Keep at cool (NOT
cold) temperature. Run for a few hours every three
or four months. Pray often.

-- Ron


p r wrote:

> the only thing is the belts will deteriorate,whether used or not
> p
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
> 
> 
> 
>>Gerald G. writes:
>>
>>>some while ago,i  made a post declaring my intent to store my Mint Nak
>>>RX303  for investment purposes,and to be able to enjoy it at some later
>>>time . Subsequently I was deluged and bombarded with replies stating ,in
>>>effect,that Naks melted down in storage,and thus must be used immediatly
>>>if not sooner. Well I dont know of too many consumer appliances,from a
>>>Volkswagen on down to a microwave,that are resistant to long term
>>>storage in a reasonably cool dry place.Is there something in the
>>>charecter,or make up, of a Vintage Nakamichi that  makes it autoimmune
>>>to Putting Away in a cool dry place with silicone absorbant or
>>>something?
>>
>>Any machinery with moving parts and electronics, whether be it a tape
>>deck or a car, will "rot" if not used.
>>
>>Use the car as an example, if not run for a long time, the tires
>>will flat-spot where it sits, the fuel will gel up, gaskets and seals
>>would dry up and develop leaks, all the oil and lubrication in the
>>engine will completely drain into the sump, causing metal-to-metal
>>contact between moving parts (which at best would cause premature wear
>>when you eventually start it again, and at worse it might seize up)...
>>
>>Not all that different for a tape deck really, and Nakamichi isn't
>>any different than other brands.  If you don't at least power it up
>>and let things run periodically, the lubrication in the moving
>>parts will harden, the belts (if any) would become stretched in a
>>certain shape, the gears might bind, and some electronics will lose
>>their tolerance (especially electrolytic capacitors).
>>
>>-Ti
>>--
>> R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>> |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>>   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>>   2 4 6





From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Feb  8 16:35:22 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:35:22 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
References: <200402080607.GAA18986@amb.org><002301c3ee33$535e7d30$43a34d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
	<402655EF.9090602@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3ee59$2ac1f480$803e4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

dont forget the solder oxidising

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak


>
> Really? How about hardening grease? Moisture
> accumulating inside motors, corroding bearings?
> Electrolytic capacitors developing leakage due to
> non-use? Glue on PCB (specifically on Naks)
> developing leakage? Internal batteries dying?
> Exposed copper oxidizing? Etc., etc..
>
> If you *must* store electronic equipment make sure
> to include lots of desiccant in the box. Seal the
> box well. Keep away from humidity. Keep at cool (NOT
> cold) temperature. Run for a few hours every three
> or four months. Pray often.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> p r wrote:
>
> > the only thing is the belts will deteriorate,whether used or not
> > p
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
> >
> >
> >
> >>Gerald G. writes:
> >>
> >>>some while ago,i  made a post declaring my intent to store my Mint Nak
> >>>RX303  for investment purposes,and to be able to enjoy it at some later
> >>>time . Subsequently I was deluged and bombarded with replies stating
,in
> >>>effect,that Naks melted down in storage,and thus must be used
immediatly
> >>>if not sooner. Well I dont know of too many consumer appliances,from a
> >>>Volkswagen on down to a microwave,that are resistant to long term
> >>>storage in a reasonably cool dry place.Is there something in the
> >>>charecter,or make up, of a Vintage Nakamichi that  makes it autoimmune
> >>>to Putting Away in a cool dry place with silicone absorbant or
> >>>something?
> >>
> >>Any machinery with moving parts and electronics, whether be it a tape
> >>deck or a car, will "rot" if not used.
> >>
> >>Use the car as an example, if not run for a long time, the tires
> >>will flat-spot where it sits, the fuel will gel up, gaskets and seals
> >>would dry up and develop leaks, all the oil and lubrication in the
> >>engine will completely drain into the sump, causing metal-to-metal
> >>contact between moving parts (which at best would cause premature wear
> >>when you eventually start it again, and at worse it might seize up)...
> >>
> >>Not all that different for a tape deck really, and Nakamichi isn't
> >>any different than other brands.  If you don't at least power it up
> >>and let things run periodically, the lubrication in the moving
> >>parts will harden, the belts (if any) would become stretched in a
> >>certain shape, the gears might bind, and some electronics will lose
> >>their tolerance (especially electrolytic capacitors).
> >>
> >>-Ti
> >>--
> >> R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
> >> |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
> >>   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
> >>   2 4 6
>
>
>
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Feb  8 16:36:09 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:36:09 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
References: <200402080607.GAA18986@amb.org><002301c3ee33$535e7d30$43a34d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
	<402655EF.9090602@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c3ee59$46944cd0$803e4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

i would keep it in a vacuum ?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak


>
> Really? How about hardening grease? Moisture
> accumulating inside motors, corroding bearings?
> Electrolytic capacitors developing leakage due to
> non-use? Glue on PCB (specifically on Naks)
> developing leakage? Internal batteries dying?
> Exposed copper oxidizing? Etc., etc..
>
> If you *must* store electronic equipment make sure
> to include lots of desiccant in the box. Seal the
> box well. Keep away from humidity. Keep at cool (NOT
> cold) temperature. Run for a few hours every three
> or four months. Pray often.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> p r wrote:
>
> > the only thing is the belts will deteriorate,whether used or not
> > p
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
> >
> >
> >
> >>Gerald G. writes:
> >>
> >>>some while ago,i  made a post declaring my intent to store my Mint Nak
> >>>RX303  for investment purposes,and to be able to enjoy it at some later
> >>>time . Subsequently I was deluged and bombarded with replies stating
,in
> >>>effect,that Naks melted down in storage,and thus must be used
immediatly
> >>>if not sooner. Well I dont know of too many consumer appliances,from a
> >>>Volkswagen on down to a microwave,that are resistant to long term
> >>>storage in a reasonably cool dry place.Is there something in the
> >>>charecter,or make up, of a Vintage Nakamichi that  makes it autoimmune
> >>>to Putting Away in a cool dry place with silicone absorbant or
> >>>something?
> >>
> >>Any machinery with moving parts and electronics, whether be it a tape
> >>deck or a car, will "rot" if not used.
> >>
> >>Use the car as an example, if not run for a long time, the tires
> >>will flat-spot where it sits, the fuel will gel up, gaskets and seals
> >>would dry up and develop leaks, all the oil and lubrication in the
> >>engine will completely drain into the sump, causing metal-to-metal
> >>contact between moving parts (which at best would cause premature wear
> >>when you eventually start it again, and at worse it might seize up)...
> >>
> >>Not all that different for a tape deck really, and Nakamichi isn't
> >>any different than other brands.  If you don't at least power it up
> >>and let things run periodically, the lubrication in the moving
> >>parts will harden, the belts (if any) would become stretched in a
> >>certain shape, the gears might bind, and some electronics will lose
> >>their tolerance (especially electrolytic capacitors).
> >>
> >>-Ti
> >>--
> >> R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
> >> |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
> >>   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
> >>   2 4 6
>
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb  8 19:16:32 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:16:32 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3ee57$ee2edd40$803e4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <000901c3ee6f$adcbc8e0$c5d44c51@oemcomputer>

Anyone out there expert with MS Outlook and MS Word that can offer me
advice, please contact off-line.  I'm  trying to match the Cyrillic fonts
used in Outlook with those used by Word to get printable Cyrillic o/p from
Word

Thanks

Gra'

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Feb  8 21:31:46 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:31:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] thank you 
Message-ID: <23079-40269CB2-3256@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

thank you the greatest wouter for the  best ,the  and  most fun naktalk
site.thanks for letting me contribute cause i know that even a small
amount ($)like mine can add up if enough of us do it,and of course its
helping to make the naktalk so great.

thank you very much,
gerald



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Feb  8 22:19:16 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:19:16 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D392@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Well I don't want to spend nore than $150 - $200 Australian. I currently
have an ortofon OMB10 installed on my Sony linear tracking - or Biotracer as
Sony call it - turntable, the X555ES. I'm starting to think that it could be
incorrectly alligned. If a cartridge is not alligned properly in the sense
that if you look at it from the front of the turntable and you notice that
the cartridge is very slightly tilted on an angle in either direction, what
result would that have on sound quality?

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gimli [mailto:gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2004 9:50 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge


What is your budget, Tom??

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> Sent: 07 February 2004 05:53
> To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail)
> Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
> 
> 
> Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
> audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I 
> should look
> for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
> highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much treble), on a
> budget.
> 
> 	Regards,
> 	
> 	Tom Siomopoulos.
>
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb  8 22:56:06 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:56:06 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Moving magnet cartridge - If this doesn't interest
	you, don't read it!  :o)
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D392@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001001c3ee8e$5a3511e0$70df4c51@oemcomputer>

That could make a lot of difference, Tom.   If you mean that the angle of
the cartridge is not parallel with the record surface when you look at the
cartridge from the front, then that would mean the stylus will be engaging
one side of the record's groove more than the other, creating distortions to
the sound, not to mention uneven wear on the groove and stylus.

I highly recommend the purchase of a "Geo-Disc" by Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab
as this tool enables one to set up a cartridge on the turntable arm VERY
quickly.  It's a fabulous tool.  Having just fitted a VTA attachment for my
Rega RB300 yesterday, I was using the Geo-Disc to re-set the cartridge.
(By the way, I don't think I recommend the VTA's for Rega's, at least not
the screw thread ones as I have bought.  Too fiddly!  Have to release the
arm fixing nut before the VTA can be adjusted!  And on my TT that means the
arm goes out of line every time as the whole for it is bigger than the Rega
arm's base tube...)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> Sent: 08 February 2004 21:19
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
>
>
> Well I don't want to spend nore than $150 - $200 Australian. I currently
> have an ortofon OMB10 installed on my Sony linear tracking - or
> Biotracer as
> Sony call it - turntable, the X555ES. I'm starting to think that
> it could be
> incorrectly alligned. If a cartridge is not alligned properly in the sense
> that if you look at it from the front of the turntable and you notice that
> the cartridge is very slightly tilted on an angle in either
> direction, what
> result would that have on sound quality?
>
> 	Tom.
>
>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Feb  8 23:34:53 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:34:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D392@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D392@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <4026B98D.2000503@rcn.com>


First and foremost, it will reduce stereo separation. In
addition, it will increase distortion and record wear.

-- Ron

Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:
> Well I don't want to spend nore than $150 - $200 Australian. I currently
> have an ortofon OMB10 installed on my Sony linear tracking - or Biotracer as
> Sony call it - turntable, the X555ES. I'm starting to think that it could be
> incorrectly alligned. If a cartridge is not alligned properly in the sense
> that if you look at it from the front of the turntable and you notice that
> the cartridge is very slightly tilted on an angle in either direction, what
> result would that have on sound quality?
> 
> 	Tom.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gimli [mailto:gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2004 9:50 
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
> 
> 
> What is your budget, Tom??
> 
> Gra'
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
>>Sent: 07 February 2004 05:53
>>To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail)
>>Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
>>
>>
>>Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
>>audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I 
>>should look
>>for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
>>highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much treble), on a
>>budget.
>>
>>	Regards,
>>	
>>	Tom Siomopoulos.
>>
>>
> 
> ---
>




From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Feb  8 23:44:54 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:44:54 +1100 
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D395@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

This is good feedback. The information that all of you are giving me is why
I'm asking these questions, I am experiencing a little distortion. I have
not attempted to adjust the tonearm on the turntable but from what I can see
there is nothing I can see that can let me adjust the tonearm in that way.
Now here is the silly question, can I place very thin spacers between the
headshell and the cartridge to try and balance it out?

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com]
Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 9:35 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge



First and foremost, it will reduce stereo separation. In
addition, it will increase distortion and record wear.

-- Ron

Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:
> Well I don't want to spend nore than $150 - $200 Australian. I currently
> have an ortofon OMB10 installed on my Sony linear tracking - or Biotracer
as
> Sony call it - turntable, the X555ES. I'm starting to think that it could
be
> incorrectly alligned. If a cartridge is not alligned properly in the sense
> that if you look at it from the front of the turntable and you notice that
> the cartridge is very slightly tilted on an angle in either direction,
what
> result would that have on sound quality?
> 
> 	Tom.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gimli [mailto:gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2004 9:50 
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
> 
> 
> What is your budget, Tom??
> 
> Gra'
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
>>Sent: 07 February 2004 05:53
>>To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail)
>>Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
>>
>>
>>Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
>>audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I 
>>should look
>>for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
>>highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much treble), on a
>>budget.
>>
>>	Regards,
>>	
>>	Tom Siomopoulos.
>>
>>
> 
> ---
>


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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 01:33:53 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 00:33:53 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D395@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000701c3eea4$64d2f520$21d54c51@oemcomputer>

Tom

Yes, that will help.

Also, see if you can move the arm head.  They sometimes have a little give
in them ... even when they're not supposed to!  I had the same problem with
my GL75 but soon found that I could twist the head.  (Ditto the SME arm ...)

There is another record - Hi Fi New & Record Review test record, created by
The Cartridge Man, which helps, too.  It offers test tones to help you
discover which track the distortion is coming from, so that you can be sure
your remedy is working and not just transferring the problem to the other
side!  (It includes a number of tests that are all generally very useful if
you want to wring out the very last drop of potential from your cartridge
and arm.)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> Sent: 08 February 2004 22:45
> To: 'ra.ah at rcn.com'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
>
>
> This is good feedback. The information that all of you are giving
> me is why
> I'm asking these questions, I am experiencing a little distortion. I have
> not attempted to adjust the tonearm on the turntable but from
> what I can see
> there is nothing I can see that can let me adjust the tonearm in that way.
> Now here is the silly question, can I place very thin spacers between the
> headshell and the cartridge to try and balance it out?
>
> 	Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com]
> Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 9:35
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
>
>
>
> First and foremost, it will reduce stereo separation. In
> addition, it will increase distortion and record wear.
>
> -- Ron
>
> Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:
> > Well I don't want to spend nore than $150 - $200 Australian. I currently
> > have an ortofon OMB10 installed on my Sony linear tracking - or
> Biotracer
> as
> > Sony call it - turntable, the X555ES. I'm starting to think
> that it could
> be
> > incorrectly alligned. If a cartridge is not alligned properly
> in the sense
> > that if you look at it from the front of the turntable and you
> notice that
> > the cartridge is very slightly tilted on an angle in either direction,
> what
> > result would that have on sound quality?
> >
> > 	Tom.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gimli [mailto:gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> > Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2004 9:50
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
> >
> >
> > What is your budget, Tom??
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >>Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> >>Sent: 07 February 2004 05:53
> >>To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail)
> >>Subject: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi all, sorry I'm posting this question on naktalk but I was rejected on
> >>audiotalk. I would like to ask the group what brand and model I
> >>should look
> >>for in moving magnet cartridges that can provide decent bass and natural
> >>highs (not very high high frequency - I don't like too much
> treble), on a
> >>budget.
> >>
> >>	Regards,
> >>
> >>	Tom Siomopoulos.
> >>
> >>
> >
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>
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Feb  9 03:14:21 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:14:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Track 10, CD2
Message-ID: <7781-4026ECFD-3737@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

Wow,Incredible, having fun listening to it again i actually wanted to
get up and look out the window to see which dogs were outside barking!

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Feb  9 04:01:46 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:01:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Spacers between headshell and cartridge
Message-ID: <7785-4026F81A-1919@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

hi-in reference to your inquiry about achieving your desired results by
using spacers.A long time ago stereophile ran an article reccomending
the use of soundboard between the headshell and cartridge.it was
supposed to add a lot of detail to the sound.i have always done it
since,but dont really know if it helps that much.

thank you very much,
gerald



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Feb  9 08:24:58 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:24:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need simple help
Message-ID: <s0275201.082@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Ti,  Howzit!

In answer to your question, herewith the following information:

Nakamichi used (reputedly) centre runs of TDK tape for their in-house
brand.  Their brands were as follows:

EX = TDK AD
SX = TDK SA
ZX = TDK MA

Bear in mind that Nakamichi also sported "EX II" and "SX II" in their
line-up.  These were TDK AD-X (long discontinued) and SA-X
respectively.

Hope this helps.

Marc


>>> ti at amb.org 02/08/04 03:06AM >>>
Stefan writes:
> First simple question: Which tapes are meant with the Band selector
of 
> SX, EX and ZX? I know, it should be CRO2, Metal and s.th. else...

EX = Standard (type I)
SX = High bias, CrO2 (type II)
ZX = Metal (type IV)

-Ti
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Feb  8 06:11:20 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:11:20 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Prep)
References: <004e01c3ed82$691b15e0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <003001c3ee02$161c3b00$51299bca@aisha>


Hi Bleus & Carlos, 

Somehow my post to naktalk got rejected lately.

My contribution is "Brazil" played by "Pink Martini".  

Carlos, I've sent the envelope last Jan 29 and it should be there anytime soon.

Thanks,
Salim SM


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: KJ Bleus ; Magnifico 
  Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 8:58 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Prep)



  Greetings,

  Just catching up on a few NakTalk digests, reading that many NakTalkers are now receiving their Marathon Tapes project discs.  Received my set yesterday, and I'm previewing as I write this email.

  Nice compilation, excellent reproduction & duplication.  A really nice outcome to our group effort.

  To make some swift progress on the playlist, I can pick out the obvious tracks from the original webpage info, but many of the final tracks are listed as "to be determined'.  So, what I need is for each contributor to email me directly with essential info that was written on the transit sheets we were hand writing as the tapes passed along to each person.  Carlos mis-placed the original lists during his journies to/from California last year).  The sooner we have responses to me, the sooner we'll have a complete playlist.

  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

  Email me directly with the vital info for your contribution, and the track placement on disc at:

  kjbleus at charter.net

  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

  Examples....

  1)    "There'll be Some Changes Made", performed by Diahann Carroll with the Duke Ellington Orchestra 
            Ron Hoffman, Framingham, Massachussetts, USA 
            Nak CR7A, recording made 1 July 2002 

  2)    "Vibraciones Positivas", performed by YaYa, produced and engineered by El Magnifico 
            Carlos Guzman, Puerto Rico 
            Nak Dragon, recording made 31 May 2002 

  3)


  Disc Two

  1)    "?????" Jazz instrumental

  2)    "Rann Na Mana", performed by Capercaille (Scottish modern folk-rock group, singing in Gaelic) 
            Graham Nelson, Liverpool, England UK 
            Nak ZX9, recording made 5 July 2002 

  3)    "Mi Madre, Mi Hija", performed by Santana, remastered by MoFi Sound Labs 
          K.J. Bleus, Madison, Wisconsin USA 
           Nak ZX7, recording made 16 June 2002        

  3)    "Too Many Ups And Downs", performed by Terry Evans 
            John R. Walker, Isle of Portland, England, UK 
            Nak 700II, recording made 18 July 2002 

  4)

  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


  I'll update with a progress report as I have a better draft of the playlist.

  Regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA
  kjbleus at charter.net
   



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
  To: <naktalk at naks.com>
  Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:01 PM
  Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18

  Message: 9
  Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:43:29 -0500
  From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tapes
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>


  Just received my set. What can I say that hasn't been
  said before? It's just loverly!

  Mr. Blues... How are you doing with the re-arranged
  track list? I am all ready to go with the artwork and
  am breathlessly awaiting your input.

  -- Ron





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From rjkent at comcast.net  Mon Feb  9 12:58:47 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 03:58:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Phono Cartridge
Message-ID: <000e01c3ef04$139deb50$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Tom,

The most elemental question: are you running your phono output through a normal phono pre-amp stage?  If you have made an unusual system configuration (for instance recording directly into your computer) that does not use a phono pre-amp, you would not be utilizing the typical RIAA equalization circuitry, and the sound would seem very distorted.

Robert Kent

>
> This is good feedback. The information that all of you are giving
> me is why
> I'm asking these questions, I am experiencing a little distortion. I have
> not attempted to adjust the tonearm on the turntable but from
> what I can see
> there is nothing I can see that can let me adjust the tonearm in that way.
> Now here is the silly question, can I place very thin spacers between the
> headshell and the cartridge to try and balance it out?
>
> Tom.
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Feb  8 18:39:36 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 00:39:36 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
References: <7791-4025CB11-462@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c3ee6a$86031980$3a299bca@aisha>


Hi, my experience shows that old Nak mechanism (pre BX) needs to be played
routinely every now and then to avoid 'random' problems (from hardened
rubber to faulty logic ICs !) .

The newer Sankyos seem to be as happy in storage and fires up whenever you
need it.  However, I saw head 'rot' on 3 long stored CRs especially on
record part.  Overall I'd suggest to play a clean tape at least 1-2 times a
month.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald G.
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak


some while ago,i  made a post declaring my intent to store my Mint Nak
RX303  for investment purposes,and to be able to enjoy it at some later
time . Subsequently I was deluged and bombarded with replies stating ,in
effect,that Naks melted down in storage,and thus must be used immediatly
if not sooner. Well I dont know of too many consumer appliances,from a
Volkswagen on down to a microwave,that are resistant to long term
storage in a reasonably cool dry place.Is there something in the
charecter,or make up, of a Vintage Nakamichi that  makes it autoimmune
to Putting Away in a cool dry place with silicone absorbant or
something?

thank you very much,
gerald





From RTLehe at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 14:30:50 2004
From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:30:50 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
Message-ID: <119.2eb4beee.2d58e58a@aol.com>

What exactly do you mean by head rot?

Tad
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Feb  9 18:12:12 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:12:12 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
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Message-ID: <002301c3ef2f$dc263a20$58299bca@aisha>


Some small scaling / pitting (looks like rust) on the head surface.  Not
sure what caused it, but definitely was not hardened tape residue as I
initially thought !  On one CR3 the pit happened to be on one channel's
record gap, causing a HF level drop .. rendering the deck useless for
recording.  The other 2 CRs were lucky enough that the pit developed
relatively away from head gap.

On capstans I think some tape residue can get bonded so hard that harsh /
careless cleaning can easily chip the capstans' surface.  Once damage is
done, the deck will be happily eating your favorite tapes !

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: RTLehe at aol.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak


What exactly do you mean by head rot?

Tad






From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Feb  9 19:24:11 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 10:24:11 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
Message-ID: <3dba2a93dbb9db.3dbb9db3dba2a9@vsnl.net>

Salim 
I think only in your country as well as in India, this could happen - being a basic metallurgist - tape head is made up of Ni-cu alloy quite corrosion resistant. Unless some of the tape cleaning solution or environment directly deposits stong acidic solutions this cannot happen. Looks more like acid rain scenerio!
I have been watching this discussion  and my beliefs more on the mechanical stuff deterioration like rubber belts/ pinch rllars and corrosion and grease hardening ( this is because of the grease is 20 year old - modern greases may not freez like them probably) than Electrolytic cap going bad - I have not seen anything like that excepting bad Indian made capacitors made 25 -30 years back. Modern capacitors ( even Indian make )live much longer and have better properties. But 1000ZXL/ 700 ZXL/ZXE or 700 models which are more than 25 years old will definitely have problems due entirely to both mechanical and electronic. 
I have seen recent cassette Deck 1'( of Robert) which are infact well made looks fantastic inside and I have seen one Bx300 literally unused sound fabulous without any of these malaise as well mint ZX9 blowing its bias osc / Dolby ( known Orange cap problem) !
kannan
PS : better use the Nak regularly rather than keep it as a treasure forever!
----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 9:12 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak

> 
> Some small scaling / pitting (looks like rust) on the head 
> surface.  Not
> sure what caused it, but definitely was not hardened tape residue 
> as I
> initially thought !  On one CR3 the pit happened to be on one 
> channel'srecord gap, causing a HF level drop .. rendering the deck 
> useless for
> recording.  The other 2 CRs were lucky enough that the pit developed
> relatively away from head gap.
> 
> On capstans I think some tape residue can get bonded so hard that 
> harsh /
> careless cleaning can easily chip the capstans' surface.  Once 
> damage is
> done, the deck will be happily eating your favorite tapes !
> 
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RTLehe at aol.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
> 
> 
> What exactly do you mean by head rot?
> 
> Tad
> 
> 
> 
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Feb  9 22:27:49 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:27:49 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Phono Cartridge
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D399@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Kent, yes I am running the TT through a normal phono stage on my pre-amp
(Denon).
 
    Tom. 

-----Original Message-----
From: rjkent at comcast.net [mailto:rjkent at comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 10:59 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Phono Cartridge


Tom,
 
The most elemental question: are you running your phono output through a
normal phono pre-amp stage?  If you have made an unusual system
configuration (for instance recording directly into your computer) that does
not use a phono pre-amp, you would not be utilizing the typical RIAA
equalization circuitry, and the sound would seem very distorted.
 
Robert Kent
 
>
> This is good feedback. The information that all of you are giving
> me is why
> I'm asking these questions, I am experiencing a little distortion. I have
> not attempted to adjust the tonearm on the turntable but from
> what I can see
> there is nothing I can see that can let me adjust the tonearm in that way.
> Now here is the silly question, can I place very thin spacers between the
> headshell and the cartridge to try and balance it out?
>
> Tom.
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Feb  9 22:29:08 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:29:08 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Spacers between headshell and cartridge
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D39A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Gerald. I'm sorry to ask such an obvious question but what exactly is a
soundboard?

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net]
Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 2:02 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Spacers between headshell and cartridge


hi-in reference to your inquiry about achieving your desired results by
using spacers.A long time ago stereophile ran an article reccomending
the use of soundboard between the headshell and cartridge.it was
supposed to add a lot of detail to the sound.i have always done it
since,but dont really know if it helps that much.

thank you very much,
gerald

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  9 23:01:42 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:01:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Spacers between headshell and cartridge
Message-ID: <BAY2-F43VPAnPEw8WYc0001814f@hotmail.com>

For years I ran Grados with the soundboard..as Joe Grado said the sound 
would degenerate if it was not used...I had a model XTZ..I later changed to 
Audio Technica OC-9...VPI HW-19-TNT..& ET 2 arm...Wisa pump..and ten gallon 
storage tank......analog heaven!


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Spacers between headshell and cartridge
>Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:29:08 +1100
>
>Hi Gerald. I'm sorry to ask such an obvious question but what exactly is a
>soundboard?
>
>	Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net]
>Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 2:02
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Spacers between headshell and cartridge
>
>
>hi-in reference to your inquiry about achieving your desired results by
>using spacers.A long time ago stereophile ran an article reccomending
>the use of soundboard between the headshell and cartridge.it was
>supposed to add a lot of detail to the sound.i have always done it
>since,but dont really know if it helps that much.
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Feb 10 01:51:46 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:51:46 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
References: <3dba2a93dbb9db.3dbb9db3dba2a9@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <002201c3ef70$9db27600$c4299bca@aisha>


Kannan,

It may not be rust - although sure looks like it - but more like the head
material is 'falling off'.  Well, I'm just reporting the fact ....
coincidentally I witness them only on CR3/4s and none on other naks (I
always bring small magnifying glass during that period of Nak hunting).
Probably some production years QC problem.

Another interesting tidbits: having replaced visibly leaking electrolytics
on adcom 555ii preamp (shorting several line inputs and creating horrible
crosstalk), I 'googled' adcom and found several owners complaining about
popping noise when switching sources - dc related - coming from same caps
problem area ?  And this is on 90's high quality japanese sourced caps !

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak


Salim
I think only in your country as well as in India, this could happen - being
a basic metallurgist - tape head is made up of Ni-cu alloy quite corrosion
resistant. Unless some of the tape cleaning solution or environment directly
deposits stong acidic solutions this cannot happen. Looks more like acid
rain scenerio!
I have been watching this discussion  and my beliefs more on the mechanical
stuff deterioration like rubber belts/ pinch rllars and corrosion and grease
hardening ( this is because of the grease is 20 year old - modern greases
may not freez like them probably) than Electrolytic cap going bad - I have
not seen anything like that excepting bad Indian made capacitors made 25 -30
years back. Modern capacitors ( even Indian make )live much longer and have
better properties. But 1000ZXL/ 700 ZXL/ZXE or 700 models which are more
than 25 years old will definitely have problems due entirely to both
mechanical and electronic.
I have seen recent cassette Deck 1'( of Robert) which are infact well made
looks fantastic inside and I have seen one Bx300 literally unused sound
fabulous without any of these malaise as well mint ZX9 blowing its bias osc
/ Dolby ( known Orange cap problem) !
kannan
PS : better use the Nak regularly rather than keep it as a treasure forever!
----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 9:12 am




From kjbleus at charter.net  Tue Feb 10 02:30:03 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:30:03 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)
Message-ID: <001b01c3ef75$6b0249b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Greetings,

With Salim's reply, we have all but one Marathon Tapes music track identified.

Disc 2, Track 2-7 continues to be a mystery!  Whom ever contributed this music, please contact us with details.  With that accomplished, I believe we're close to completion.  Good work and results!  Please preview the playlist at the website:

 http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

Best regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb 10 07:18:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:18:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Marathon Tapes Project UPDATE
Message-ID: <002701c3ef9d$a297ff00$26773242@CopyTech>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: El Magnifico 
To: KJ Bleus 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: Marathon Tapes Project UPDATE


Mr Bleus:

Just returning from your Marathon Tape web page. I have to congratulate you for such a wonderful work. Thank you very much for your dedication and time.

UP DATE:

The following funds were received and the sets are en-route:

Harshad Khatri
Brian Stocker
Nick Gornostayev
Stan Targowski
Dr. Mike Martorana
Gary Johnson

The following members are the only ones that I haven't received the funds and are on hold:

Tayfur Gunay - contacted me
Bill Wheatley
Kelvin
Sven Schroeder
Richard Hess - check in the mail
Salim Marzuki - check in the mail
Isy Fidelman
Jim Wallace
David Foley
Ed Noyes
Fred Lifton
Richard Obenauf
Marc Hugo
Karl Heinz Herrmann
Terence Finn
Fred Moss
Gary Beyer
Kannan - friend's set

If any of the above has changed his mind, don't worry, just let me know in order to send the set to another member. For those of you outside of the US: a good option is using Western Union. It's cheaper for many of you in Europe.

If there's any mistake from the list above, please accept my apologies and let me know so.

Regards,

Carlos
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From gwmunger at bestweb.net  Tue Feb 10 03:34:24 2004
From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:34:24 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Phono Cartridge Set-Up
Message-ID: <40284330.3a04.0@bestweb.net>

Tom, yes, you can usually add very small spacers between the headshell and phono
cartridge, in order to maintain proper cartridge/stylus position, or VTA (Vertical
Tracking Angle), although there are a few exceptions, since some cartridge/
headshell designs do not allow for adding spacers. You also might note that
by adding spacers, you are adding weight (mass) to the stylus, which aan require
counter-weight adjustment (but that adjustment, in fact, may not necessarily
counter all of the factors which are affected when you add mass to the tonearm).


Also, there are other stylus position-related factors that can affect sonic
performance, besides VTA. It is also important to position the cartridge, so
that the stylus is generally  perpendicular to the center grove (half-way throught
the side) in the middle of a 12" LP. This issue, and related topics requires
more detailed discussion than I think is appropriate for the Nak forum, so you
may contact me directly via email should you want to take this topic further.


I have spent considerable time & $$ building a Nak-Dragon-class turntable from
scratch, (and I incude the platter, strobe and even the bearing), with the help
of a (DIY) Do-It-Yourself group on the web, and along the way, I have have developed
some knowledge (but I still have a way to go) of the issues involved. The improvement
you seek may well be worth the trouble to investigate further.

George Munger

> This is good feedback. The information that all of you are giving me is why
I'm asking these questions, I am experiencing a little distortion. I have not
attempted to adjust the tonearm on the turntable but from what I can see there
is nothing I can see that can let me adjust the tonearm in that way.
>> Now here is the silly question, can I place very thin spacers between the
headshell and the cartridge to try and balance it out?
>>
>> Tom.
>>


From gwmunger at bestweb.net  Tue Feb 10 04:03:12 2004
From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:03:12 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Moving magnet cartridge
Message-ID: <402849f0.3f24.0@bestweb.net>

I do not know the cost in Australian currency, but you may want to check out
the Sumiko 'Blue Point Special' (make sure it is the 'Special' model); but be
aware, it does not have a user-replaceable stylus. I have heard it and thought
it linear and fairly nutral, for the price, as sold in the USA.

Before you spend bucks on another cartridge, you might also try to inspect the
stylus for wear under a microscope.  If it is coated with residue (but otherwise
in good shape), that could contribute to poor performance. 'LAST' once manufactured
(and may continue to do so) an effective stylus cleaner, designed to remove
the residue.

I must also add that my previous comments regarding the cartridge position in
the middle grove, do not necessarily pertain to a linear tracking arm, as it
is (if properly set-up) should ALWAYS be at the proper angle, regardless at
what groove position on the LP, the stylus is positioned.

Regards, George Munger



>Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:19:16 +1100 
>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: Moving magnet cartridge
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>Well I don't want to spend nore than $150 - $200 Australian. I currently have
an ortofon OMB10 installed on my Sony linear tracking - or Biotracer as Sony
call it - turntable, the X555ES. I'm starting to think that it could be incorrectly
alligned. If a cartridge is not alligned properly in the sense
>that if you look at it from the front of the turntable and you notice that
the cartridge is very slightly tilted on an angle in either direction, what
result would that have on sound quality?
>
>	Tom.


From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Feb 10 06:09:11 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:09:11 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
Message-ID: <3e09a4c3e08d10.3e08d103e09a4c@vsnl.net>


Salim

Interesting titbits on leaky electrolytic caps! There can be two reasons for it - similar to Orange Caps which came from some japanese source these would have come from a source with probably bad process in place or QC related. Another possiblity is Adcom designer goofed up with lower voltage Cap at the peak voltage crossing thelimit of caps - I am not able to guess. electrolytic can be very troublesome but I have not seen any Nak having problem in that area.
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak

> 
> Kannan,
> 
> It may not be rust - although sure looks like it - but more like 
> the head
> material is 'falling off'.  Well, I'm just reporting the fact ....
> coincidentally I witness them only on CR3/4s and none on other 
> naks (I
> always bring small magnifying glass during that period of Nak 
> hunting).Probably some production years QC problem.
> 
> Another interesting tidbits: having replaced visibly leaking 
> electrolyticson adcom 555ii preamp (shorting several line inputs 
> and creating horrible
> crosstalk), I 'googled' adcom and found several owners complaining 
> aboutpopping noise when switching sources - dc related - coming 
> from same caps
> problem area ?  And this is on 90's high quality japanese sourced 
> caps !
> 
> Cheers,
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
> 
> 
> Salim
> I think only in your country as well as in India, this could 
> happen - being
> a basic metallurgist - tape head is made up of Ni-cu alloy quite 
> corrosionresistant. Unless some of the tape cleaning solution or 
> environment directly
> deposits stong acidic solutions this cannot happen. Looks more 
> like acid
> rain scenerio!
> I have been watching this discussion  and my beliefs more on the 
> mechanicalstuff deterioration like rubber belts/ pinch rllars and 
> corrosion and grease
> hardening ( this is because of the grease is 20 year old - modern 
> greasesmay not freez like them probably) than Electrolytic cap 
> going bad - I have
> not seen anything like that excepting bad Indian made capacitors 
> made 25 -30
> years back. Modern capacitors ( even Indian make )live much longer 
> and have
> better properties. But 1000ZXL/ 700 ZXL/ZXE or 700 models which 
> are more
> than 25 years old will definitely have problems due entirely to both
> mechanical and electronic.
> I have seen recent cassette Deck 1'( of Robert) which are infact 
> well made
> looks fantastic inside and I have seen one Bx300 literally unused 
> soundfabulous without any of these malaise as well mint ZX9 
> blowing its bias osc
> / Dolby ( known Orange cap problem) !
> kannan
> PS : better use the Nak regularly rather than keep it as a 
> treasure forever!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 9:12 am
> 
> 
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From ti at amb.org  Tue Feb 10 06:55:31 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:55:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Phono Cartridge Set-Up
In-Reply-To: <40284330.3a04.0@bestweb.net> from "geochapp20" at Feb 09,
	2004 09:34:24 PM
Message-ID: <200402100555.FAA17012@amb.org>

geochapp20 writes:
> Tom, yes, you can usually add very small spacers between the headshell and phono
> cartridge, in order to maintain proper cartridge/stylus position, or VTA (Vertical
> Tracking Angle), although there are a few exceptions, since some cartridge/
> headshell designs do not allow for adding spacers. You also might note that
> by adding spacers, you are adding weight (mass) to the stylus, which aan require
> counter-weight adjustment (but that adjustment, in fact, may not necessarily
> counter all of the factors which are affected when you add mass to the tonearm).

Adding spacers will also increase the arm/cartridge assembly's effective
mass, which, along with the stylus cantilever's elastic suspension,
comprise a resonant system.  Increasing the effective mass (even though
the tracking force is correctly adjusted) will lower the resonant frequency.
You want that resonant frequency to be within the 8-12Hz range, low enough
not to be excited by music program material on the record, but high enough
not to be excited by record warps and eccentricities.

This is the reason a cartridge must be matched to the arm.  Cartridges
with highly compliant moving systems work better with low mass arms
whereare low compliance cartridges work better with higher mass arms.

> Also, there are other stylus position-related factors that can affect sonic
> performance, besides VTA. It is also important to position the cartridge, so
> that the stylus is generally  perpendicular to the center grove (half-way throught
> the side) in the middle of a 12" LP. This issue, and related topics requires
> more detailed discussion than I think is appropriate for the Nak forum, so you
> may contact me directly via email should you want to take this topic further.

Yes, there are special cartridge alignment protractors designed for
this purpose.

-Ti
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Feb 10 09:26:36 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:26:36 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D39E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Howdy all.
 
    I received the CD's today and let me tell you all something, Carlos you
are a genius, this is a masterpiece. What quality, I was just amazed at the
sound quality, and I can pretty much say that we all have great tastes in
music. I loved each and every track, such a colourful variety. Now who is
the Marc Almond fan (track 8 disc 2), c'mon own up, don't worry I'm a Marc
Almond fan too. What is the name of the track? It's just brilliant
 
    Well it's back to listening to the masterpiece while I'm studying for my
Microsoft exam.... well at least I'll enjoy the music.
 
    Take care all,
 
    Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: KJ Bleus [mailto:kjbleus at charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 12:30 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Cc: KJ Bleus; Magnifico
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)


Greetings,
 
With Salim's reply, we have all but one Marathon Tapes music track
identified.
 
Disc 2, Track 2-7 continues to be a mystery!  Whom ever contributed this
music, please contact us with details.  With that accomplished, I believe
we're close to completion.  Good work and results!  Please preview the
playlist at the website:
 
  http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html
<http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html> 
 
Best regards,
 
Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net <mailto:kjbleus at charter.net> 
 
 

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb 10 17:45:25 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:45:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D39E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <005d01c3eff5$48dfac30$57773242@CopyTech>

Thanks Tom. The real geniuses are all of you who made some wonderful contributions. I just put them in order ... Bleus, how do you compare the Revox Files to our masterpiece ? 

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Thomas Siomopoulos 
  To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:26 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)


  Howdy all.

      I received the CD's today and let me tell you all something, Carlos you are a genius, this is a masterpiece. What quality, I was just amazed at the sound quality, and I can pretty much say that we all have great tastes in music. I loved each and every track, such a colourful variety. Now who is the Marc Almond fan (track 8 disc 2), c'mon own up, don't worry I'm a Marc Almond fan too. What is the name of the track? It's just brilliant

      Well it's back to listening to the masterpiece while I'm studying for my Microsoft exam.... well at least I'll enjoy the music.

      Take care all,

      Tom Siomopoulos.
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Feb 10 14:48:58 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:48:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
In-Reply-To: <3e09a4c3e08d10.3e08d103e09a4c@vsnl.net>
References: <3e09a4c3e08d10.3e08d103e09a4c@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <4028E14A.8080409@rcn.com>


Kannan,

The original note pertained to Aluminum electrolytic capacitor
that are left unused for long periods. These caps have a very
thin dielectric layer, consisting of aluminum oxide coating on
thin aluminum foil 'plates'. When new, they are almost shorted.
In the factory, voltage is applied. This starts the oxidation
process, during which the capacitor forms the oxide layer.

When left unused for an extended period, the oxide layer
deteriorates and the capacitor becomes first, leaky and then,
shorted. Sometimes, if the power supply can take it, the
capacitor will 'reform' and heal itself. But, in most cases,
it needs to be replaced.

The above has nothing to do with Naks in particular. It is
true for all equipment that uses electrolytic capacitors.

-- Ron



kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> Salim
> 
> Interesting titbits on leaky electrolytic caps! There can be two reasons for it - similar to Orange Caps which came from some japanese source these would have come from a source with probably bad process in place or QC related. Another possiblity is Adcom designer goofed up with lower voltage Cap at the peak voltage crossing thelimit of caps - I am not able to guess. electrolytic can be very troublesome but I have not seen any Nak having problem in that area.
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 4:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
> 
> 
>>Kannan,
>>
>>It may not be rust - although sure looks like it - but more like 
>>the head
>>material is 'falling off'.  Well, I'm just reporting the fact ....
>>coincidentally I witness them only on CR3/4s and none on other 
>>naks (I
>>always bring small magnifying glass during that period of Nak 
>>hunting).Probably some production years QC problem.
>>
>>Another interesting tidbits: having replaced visibly leaking 
>>electrolyticson adcom 555ii preamp (shorting several line inputs 
>>and creating horrible
>>crosstalk), I 'googled' adcom and found several owners complaining 
>>aboutpopping noise when switching sources - dc related - coming 
>>from same caps
>>problem area ?  And this is on 90's high quality japanese sourced 
>>caps !
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Salim SM
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:24 AM
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
>>
>>
>>Salim
>>I think only in your country as well as in India, this could 
>>happen - being
>>a basic metallurgist - tape head is made up of Ni-cu alloy quite 
>>corrosionresistant. Unless some of the tape cleaning solution or 
>>environment directly
>>deposits stong acidic solutions this cannot happen. Looks more 
>>like acid
>>rain scenerio!
>>I have been watching this discussion  and my beliefs more on the 
>>mechanicalstuff deterioration like rubber belts/ pinch rllars and 
>>corrosion and grease
>>hardening ( this is because of the grease is 20 year old - modern 
>>greasesmay not freez like them probably) than Electrolytic cap 
>>going bad - I have
>>not seen anything like that excepting bad Indian made capacitors 
>>made 25 -30
>>years back. Modern capacitors ( even Indian make )live much longer 
>>and have
>>better properties. But 1000ZXL/ 700 ZXL/ZXE or 700 models which 
>>are more
>>than 25 years old will definitely have problems due entirely to both
>>mechanical and electronic.
>>I have seen recent cassette Deck 1'( of Robert) which are infact 
>>well made
>>looks fantastic inside and I have seen one Bx300 literally unused 
>>soundfabulous without any of these malaise as well mint ZX9 
>>blowing its bias osc
>>/ Dolby ( known Orange cap problem) !
>>kannan
>>PS : better use the Nak regularly rather than keep it as a 
>>treasure forever!
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
>>Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 9:12 am




From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Feb 10 15:02:00 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:02:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Phono Cartridge Set-Up
In-Reply-To: <200402100555.FAA17012@amb.org>
References: <200402100555.FAA17012@amb.org>
Message-ID: <4028E458.4020308@rcn.com>

Ti Kan wrote:

> geochapp20 writes:
> 
>>Tom, yes, you can usually add very small spacers between the headshell and phono
>>cartridge, in order to maintain proper cartridge/stylus position, or VTA (Vertical
>>Tracking Angle), although there are a few exceptions, since some cartridge/
>>headshell designs do not allow for adding spacers. You also might note that
>>by adding spacers, you are adding weight (mass) to the stylus, which aan require
>>counter-weight adjustment (but that adjustment, in fact, may not necessarily
>>counter all of the factors which are affected when you add mass to the tonearm).
> 
> 
> Adding spacers will also increase the arm/cartridge assembly's effective
> mass, which, along with the stylus cantilever's elastic suspension,
> comprise a resonant system.

While your point is correct, one should consider the magnitudes
under discussion. A high-compliance-cartridge/low-mass arm
combination will have an effective mass of 10g to 15g. The
spacer(s) will add to that a tiny fraction of a gram. The
effect on resonant point will be -- maybe -- a fraction of a
Hertz. With correct arm damping (a given in high quality arms
under discussion), this is a very low Q resonance, anyway. In
addition, the exact resonance frequency is not critical. Thus,
while correct in theory, the effect is insignificant in practice.

Many high end arms come with an assortment of spacers, to allow
for correct VTA adjustment with various height cartridges. Some
spacer mass is already included in the resonant frequency
calculation.

-- Ron


>  Increasing the effective mass (even though
> the tracking force is correctly adjusted) will lower the resonant frequency.
> You want that resonant frequency to be within the 8-12Hz range, low enough
> not to be excited by music program material on the record, but high enough
> not to be excited by record warps and eccentricities.
> 
> This is the reason a cartridge must be matched to the arm.  Cartridges
> with highly compliant moving systems work better with low mass arms
> whereare low compliance cartridges work better with higher mass arms.
> 
> 
>>Also, there are other stylus position-related factors that can affect sonic
>>performance, besides VTA. It is also important to position the cartridge, so
>>that the stylus is generally  perpendicular to the center grove (half-way throught
>>the side) in the middle of a 12" LP. This issue, and related topics requires
>>more detailed discussion than I think is appropriate for the Nak forum, so you
>>may contact me directly via email should you want to take this topic further.
> 
> 
> Yes, there are special cartridge alignment protractors designed for
> this purpose.
> 
> -Ti





From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Tue Feb 10 16:32:45 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:32:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] A couple of Questions please...
Message-ID: <000801c3efeb$21e33fc0$931a0cd0@r7g1f8>

Can anyone tell me if there is a website for Revox vintage cassette decks.  I am shopping for one on ebay, but would like to see the model "line-up" for cassette decks so I know what I'm shopping for.  Or...can someone educate me on what the best is I should look for.  (this is just to accompany my NAK 680ZX!!!) 

Also, probably a question for audiotalk, but...with all the talk of tape recording gear etc.  why is the old TEAC brand rarely mentioned??  I have a TEAC 6010 which I have had for years and works great.

Randall in Seattle
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From turnerr at uncw.edu  Tue Feb 10 17:23:06 2004
From: turnerr at uncw.edu (Turner, Randy)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:23:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL
Message-ID: <4E15FCC7981F7A4CA5AA0DEF4B2141C905C36F92@UNCWMAILVS2.dcs.uncw.edu>

Hello Nakkers,
 
I have a Nak 700ZXL that was given to me by my uncle to sell for him on
ebay about a year ago.  It sold during xmas and was shipped.  The buyer
refused the deck because the transport had fallen into the deck.  I got
it back and left it in a closet for the year and pulled it out about a
month ago to inspect and fix to resell.  As I inspected it, I concluded
that UPS must have sent this thing for quite a fall (wished I followed
up on the insurance, but did not).  The transport had definitely fallen
into the housing and the power transformer had come loose and banged
around.  
 
So I found a Service Manual and went into it.  Disassembled the deck and
found that when the transport fell in, it damaged the board behind it, I
think the auto-calibration board.  I traced and retraced the printout on
the board and feel pretty confident that I resoldered all the broken
traces.
 
The transport was released from the spacers that attach it to the front
of the deck.  Actually rescrewing the transport in place seemed a good
fit.  
 
Where I stand now, I've got maybe 20 hours in this thing and do not care
to do anymore.  It seems to me that the main problem left is that the
clutch for the transport to change from Play, FF, RW, Stop, etc. is
either in need of a new servo motor or something for I can force it into
doing these things, but it will not move by itself.
 
There are some other issues as to condition of the front cover having a
crack to the right side of the swing-up panel and the top having some
scuffs, but that's all I can really tell.  The deck powers up fine and
all the lights seem to be working.... 
 
Beyond that I do not what to say, for the Service Manual does not take
the deck through flow charts of "what's wrong - try this" it's all
inclusive of the decks workings.  What I want to do is offer it for sell
here for $250 to any takers, before I go back to ebay, since I've been
snooping here for a while and think this group deserves a chance 1st.
 
If there is a serious buyer here I can probably get together some
pictures in short order.
 
Randy Turner
Wilmington, NC
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Feb 10 17:27:59 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:27:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
Message-ID: <3f585ae3f5d257.3f5d2573f585ae@vsnl.net>

Thanks Ron for the explanation . 
But this( leaky Cans) should not be the case with every Aluminum electrolytics as large number of these cans are kept in store for months or years before purchased by a customer. And hobbyists like us may have something in our stock even after purchasing for years. Do you think that these caps are having a good chance to leak? I have not seen any kind of warning( in DIY circle ) that if Aluminum electrolytic capacitor gets stored without applying a voltage , it would become unusable? 
Or is it a good possiblity for most of the Electrolytics? Since Aluminum oxide is very tenaciuos of oxides albeit thin, I assume that it should not be easy to break out?
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:48 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak

> 
> Kannan,
> 
> The original note pertained to Aluminum electrolytic capacitor
> that are left unused for long periods. These caps have a very
> thin dielectric layer, consisting of aluminum oxide coating on
> thin aluminum foil 'plates'. When new, they are almost shorted.
> In the factory, voltage is applied. This starts the oxidation
> process, during which the capacitor forms the oxide layer.
> 
> When left unused for an extended period, the oxide layer
> deteriorates and the capacitor becomes first, leaky and then,
> shorted. Sometimes, if the power supply can take it, the
> capacitor will 'reform' and heal itself. But, in most cases,
> it needs to be replaced.
> 
> The above has nothing to do with Naks in particular. It is
> true for all equipment that uses electrolytic capacitors.
> 
> -- Ron




From roleo at telus.net  Tue Feb 10 19:04:58 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:04:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-5a
References: <001b01c3ef75$6b0249b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <001a01c3f000$65b9d690$6401a8c0@desktop>

I recently purchased a CR-5a on E-bay and wondered what remotes work with this deck.  Anyone know?

Any opinions on this little brother of the CR-7?

-- Roland


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: KJ Bleus ; Magnifico 
  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 5:30 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)


  Greetings,

  With Salim's reply, we have all but one Marathon Tapes music track identified.

  Disc 2, Track 2-7 continues to be a mystery!  Whom ever contributed this music, please contact us with details.  With that accomplished, I believe we're close to completion.  Good work and results!  Please preview the playlist at the website:

   http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

  Best regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA
  kjbleus at charter.net




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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Feb 10 19:12:54 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:12:54 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)
References: <001b01c3ef75$6b0249b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <00ab01c3f001$8164b440$d9299bca@aisha>


Thanks much Bleus for the quick update !

On the final list I noticed 5 missing names: Damon Josz, Jim Simpson, John
Smokevitch, Marc Hugo ... maybe one is the misterious contributor ?  I
remember Ezio from Italy was out on vacation at that moment ... and never
returned to naktalk !

>From old mail archives : John S already sent his piece to Carlos, but it was
Jim who rescued the lost M1 tape and sent it to PR.  Finally Ed also wanted
to join M1 .... hmmm, ok, let's wait.  =)

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: KJ Bleus
To: naktalk at naks.com
Cc: KJ Bleus ; Magnifico
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:30 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)


Greetings,

With Salim's reply, we have all but one Marathon Tapes music track
identified.

Disc 2, Track 2-7 continues to be a mystery!  Whom ever contributed this
music, please contact us with details.  With that accomplished, I believe
we're close to completion.  Good work and results!  Please preview the
playlist at the website:

 http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

Best regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net





From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Feb 10 19:35:03 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:35:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
In-Reply-To: <3f585ae3f5d257.3f5d2573f585ae@vsnl.net>
References: <3f585ae3f5d257.3f5d2573f585ae@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <40292457.6070908@rcn.com>


The effect is universal to all aluminum foil electrolytics.
However, there are many manufacturing and material choices
in use and I am sure that different makes are differently
susceptible. I, too, have used electrolytics after years of
storage that were still good. I also had many that were
good when put in the drawer but bad when finally taken
out. I have found that applying DC from a constant current
supply can reform electrolytics to like-new condition.

All this is one more reason why tantalum caps are so much
better for supply filtering.

-- Ron

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> Thanks Ron for the explanation . 
> But this( leaky Cans) should not be the case with every Aluminum electrolytics as large number of these cans are kept in store for months or years before purchased by a customer. And hobbyists like us may have something in our stock even after purchasing for years. Do you think that these caps are having a good chance to leak? I have not seen any kind of warning( in DIY circle ) that if Aluminum electrolytic capacitor gets stored without applying a voltage , it would become unusable? 
> Or is it a good possiblity for most of the Electrolytics? Since Aluminum oxide is very tenaciuos of oxides albeit thin, I assume that it should not be easy to break out?
> kannan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:48 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
> 
> 
>>Kannan,
>>
>>The original note pertained to Aluminum electrolytic capacitor
>>that are left unused for long periods. These caps have a very
>>thin dielectric layer, consisting of aluminum oxide coating on
>>thin aluminum foil 'plates'. When new, they are almost shorted.
>>In the factory, voltage is applied. This starts the oxidation
>>process, during which the capacitor forms the oxide layer.
>>
>>When left unused for an extended period, the oxide layer
>>deteriorates and the capacitor becomes first, leaky and then,
>>shorted. Sometimes, if the power supply can take it, the
>>capacitor will 'reform' and heal itself. But, in most cases,
>>it needs to be replaced.
>>
>>The above has nothing to do with Naks in particular. It is
>>true for all equipment that uses electrolytic capacitors.
>>
>>-- Ron






From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Feb 10 19:38:47 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:38:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-5a
Message-ID: <3f7bfca3f7c04e.3f7c04e3f7bfca@vsnl.net>

Any deck will work with RM 5 / RM 200 generally - I have not seen Cr 5 service manual but CR 7 can work with these and I guess CR 5 should. another interesting truth is buy any TA 2/3/4 and their remote will work with these after you make a 8 Pin DIN connector ends with cable connecting one to one connection between them - then connect this cable to TA  series receivers and Cr 5. 
Better way to asses this is to look at Cr 5 manual!
kannan
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Any opinions on this little brother of the CR-7?

-- Roland


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  To: naktalk at naks.com=20
  Cc: KJ Bleus ; Magnifico=20
  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 5:30 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)


  Greetings,

  With Salim's reply, we have all but one Marathon Tapes music track =
identified.

  Disc 2, Track 2-7 continues to be a mystery!  Whom ever contributed =
this music, please contact us with details.  With that accomplished, I =
believe we're close to completion.  Good work and results!  Please =
preview the playlist at the website:

   http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

  Best regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA
  kjbleus at charter.net




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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 20:00:09 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:00:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
In-Reply-To: <3f585ae3f5d257.3f5d2573f585ae@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <20040210190009.10743.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com>

Sony must use cheapest, most poorly made aluminum
capacitors in the world.  They are notorious for
needing all their caps replaced after just a few
years.  If you catch them in time you can save a lot
of hassle repairing the circuit board traces that get
eaten away by the leaking electrolyt.  I have done a
fair amount of repair in my earlier days and have
never seen that type of failure in other brands, but,
I've seen in Sony camcorders, TVs, monitors and VCRs. 
I will never buy another Sony product again.  I think
it planned failure.  That way you'll be in the market
for another wonderful Sony product.  They must have
realized about 20 years ago that they were hurting
their future sales by making products that didn't go
bad.  If your TV works, why buy another one, right.

Fortunately I have never seen a Nak use the same caps
that Sony use and have never seen 

Unfortuately Naks have a variety of other problems
such as the orange cap disease, brown glue disease and
small rubber idler disease.

Scott J.


--- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> Thanks Ron for the explanation . 
> But this( leaky Cans) should not be the case with
> every Aluminum electrolytics as large number of
> these cans are kept in store for months or years
> before purchased by a customer. And hobbyists like
> us may have something in our stock even after
> purchasing for years. Do you think that these caps
> are having a good chance to leak? I have not seen
> any kind of warning( in DIY circle ) that if
> Aluminum electrolytic capacitor gets stored without
> applying a voltage , it would become unusable? 
> Or is it a good possiblity for most of the
> Electrolytics? Since Aluminum oxide is very
> tenaciuos of oxides albeit thin, I assume that it
> should not be easy to break out?
> kannan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:48 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
> 
> > 
> > Kannan,
> > 
> > The original note pertained to Aluminum
> electrolytic capacitor
> > that are left unused for long periods. These caps
> have a very
> > thin dielectric layer, consisting of aluminum
> oxide coating on
> > thin aluminum foil 'plates'. When new, they are
> almost shorted.
> > In the factory, voltage is applied. This starts
> the oxidation
> > process, during which the capacitor forms the
> oxide layer.
> > 
> > When left unused for an extended period, the oxide
> layer
> > deteriorates and the capacitor becomes first,
> leaky and then,
> > shorted. Sometimes, if the power supply can take
> it, the
> > capacitor will 'reform' and heal itself. But, in
> most cases,
> > it needs to be replaced.
> > 
> > The above has nothing to do with Naks in
> particular. It is
> > true for all equipment that uses electrolytic
> capacitors.
> > 
> > -- Ron
> 
> 
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From kevin at jameskev.plus.com  Tue Feb 10 20:33:22 2004
From: kevin at jameskev.plus.com (kevin at jameskev.plus.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:33:22 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak CR 5a
Message-ID: <20040210192640.jameskev@Plus.Net>


Roland,

Follow the link below and download the Nak CR-7a/CR-5a product information. It will tell you everything you need to know.

http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/

regards,
Kevin   

>>>>>>
I recently purchased a CR-5a on E-bay and wondered what remotes work with this deck.  Anyone know?
 
Any opinions on this little brother of the CR-7?
 
-- Roland



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Feb 10 21:41:30 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:41:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-5a
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3f000$65b9d690$6401a8c0@desktop>
References: <001b01c3ef75$6b0249b0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<001a01c3f000$65b9d690$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <402941FA.7030002@rcn.com>


The CR-5 will work with the wired RM-5 remote control. It
will also work with the CA-7 IR system remote control and
with Nakamichi's IR receiver/transmitter remote controls
(RM-200? I am not sure). Also, from many (most?) after
market 8 channel IR receiver/transmitter remote controls.
It will NOT work with the CR-7 remote control, since it
lacks the internal IR receiver that the CR-7 incorporates.

Sonically, the CR-5 is essentially very real close to the
CR-7, while lacking some of the latter's amenities. I am
sure you will enjoy it.

-- Ron


Roland Alford wrote:
> I recently purchased a CR-5a on E-bay and wondered what remotes work with this deck.  Anyone know?
> 
> Any opinions on this little brother of the CR-7?
> 
> -- Roland
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: KJ Bleus 
>   To: naktalk at naks.com 
>   Cc: KJ Bleus ; Magnifico 
>   Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 5:30 PM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)
> 
> 
>   Greetings,
> 
>   With Salim's reply, we have all but one Marathon Tapes music track identified.
> 
>   Disc 2, Track 2-7 continues to be a mystery!  Whom ever contributed this music, please contact us with details.  With that accomplished, I believe we're close to completion.  Good work and results!  Please preview the playlist at the website:
> 
>    http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html
> 
>   Best regards,
> 
>   Bleus de Nakker
>   Madison, Wisc USA
>   kjbleus at charter.net
>




From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 21:41:43 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:41:43 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
Message-ID: <001c01c3f016$4b44c250$9a4c4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi ho
just got a bx 300e, the o\p section seems very noisy, i thought naks were made better than this!, compared to my 700
phill
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From merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com  Tue Feb 10 16:35:26 2004
From: merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com (merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:35:26 +0100
Subject: Antwort: [naktalk] A couple of Questions please...
Message-ID: <OF687A32A7.E97BB3C1-ONC1256E36.00559510-C1256E36.0055A4DB@bayer.de>






Go to www.Revox.net

Great page.

Merten


                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
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Can anyone tell me if there is a website for Revox vintage cassette decks.  I am
shopping for one on ebay, but would like to see the model "line-up" for cassette
decks so I know what I'm shopping for.  Or...can someone educate me on what the
best is I should look for.  (this is just to accompany my NAK 680ZX!!!)

Also, probably a question for audiotalk, but...with all the talk of tape
recording gear etc.  why is the old TEAC brand rarely mentioned??  I have a TEAC
6010 which I have had for years and works great.

Randall in Seattle
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Feb 10 22:15:40 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:15:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
Message-ID: <3f868563f80d57.3f80d573f86856@vsnl.net>

Thanks Scott and Ron for the insight. I had not tried to repair anything other than Naks seriously, so I am spoilt with seeing reasonably good components. However I happen to notice Capacitor failures in a Mcintosh Amplifier though! I noticed a failure of diode bridge on a TA 3A and very poor solder quality as well! When I opened a SR 4A - I noticed how well it was made compared to this TA 3A. I am lucky not to find an Electrolytic cap failures an any audio equipment so far but now I should keep my eyes open to this fact!
kannan 

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:00 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak

> Sony must use cheapest, most poorly made aluminum
> capacitors in the world.  They are notorious for
> needing all their caps replaced after just a few
> years.  If you catch them in time you can save a lot
> of hassle repairing the circuit board traces that get
> eaten away by the leaking electrolyt.  I have done a
> fair amount of repair in my earlier days and have
> never seen that type of failure in other brands, but,
> I've seen in Sony camcorders, TVs, monitors and VCRs. 
> I will never buy another Sony product again.  I think
> it planned failure.  That way you'll be in the market
> for another wonderful Sony product.  They must have
> realized about 20 years ago that they were hurting
> their future sales by making products that didn't go
> bad.  If your TV works, why buy another one, right.
> 
> Fortunately I have never seen a Nak use the same caps
> that Sony use and have never seen 
> 
> Unfortuately Naks have a variety of other problems
> such as the orange cap disease, brown glue disease and
> small rubber idler disease.
> 
> Scott J.




From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Feb 10 22:22:24 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:22:24 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D39F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

The BX300 uses the next generation mechanisms made by Sankyo, yes they are a
tad noisy compared to the genuine nak mechanisms. 
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: p r [mailto:phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 7:42 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e


hi ho
just got a bx 300e, the o\p section seems very noisy, i thought naks were
made better than this!, compared to my 700
phill

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 11 02:35:19 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:35:19 -0800
Subject: Antwort: [naktalk] A couple of Questions please...
References: <OF687A32A7.E97BB3C1-ONC1256E36.00559510-C1256E36.0055A4DB@bayer.de>
Message-ID: <005d01c3f03f$4f8be540$21773242@CopyTech>

As long as you can speak German ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: Antwort: [naktalk] A couple of Questions please...


>
>
>
>
>
> Go to www.Revox.net
>
> Great page.
>
> Merten
>
>
>
>
>
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>               naktalk-bounces at naks.com
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>               16:33
>               Bitte antworten an Talk
>               about Nakamichi Cassette

>               Decks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if there is a website for Revox vintage cassette decks.
I am
> shopping for one on ebay, but would like to see the model "line-up" for
cassette
> decks so I know what I'm shopping for.  Or...can someone educate me on
what the
> best is I should look for.  (this is just to accompany my NAK 680ZX!!!)
>
> Also, probably a question for audiotalk, but...with all the talk of tape
> recording gear etc.  why is the old TEAC brand rarely mentioned??  I have
a TEAC
> 6010 which I have had for years and works great.
>
> Randall in Seattle
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Feb 10 22:30:20 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:30:20 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] A couple of Questions please...
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D3A0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I'm not too sure about the Teac question, I always thought that it was a
swear work here at naktalk. I own several pieces of Teac gear - X700R,
X1000R and a A3340S. You cant half tell that I'm into open reel decks :)
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Babin/Greseth [mailto:jvbrhg at seanet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 2:33 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] A couple of Questions please...


Can anyone tell me if there is a website for Revox vintage cassette decks.
I am shopping for one on ebay, but would like to see the model "line-up" for
cassette decks so I know what I'm shopping for.  Or...can someone educate me
on what the best is I should look for.  (this is just to accompany my NAK
680ZX!!!) 
 
Also, probably a question for audiotalk, but...with all the talk of tape
recording gear etc.  why is the old TEAC brand rarely mentioned??  I have a
TEAC 6010 which I have had for years and works great.
 
Randall in Seattle

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Feb 10 22:33:00 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:33:00 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D3A1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Stop you're making me blush :)

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 3:45 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)


Thanks Tom. The real geniuses are all of you who made some wonderful
contributions. I just put them in order ... Bleus, how do you compare the
Revox Files to our masterpiece ? 
 
Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>  
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>  
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)

Howdy all.
 
    I received the CD's today and let me tell you all something, Carlos you
are a genius, this is a masterpiece. What quality, I was just amazed at the
sound quality, and I can pretty much say that we all have great tastes in
music. I loved each and every track, such a colourful variety. Now who is
the Marc Almond fan (track 8 disc 2), c'mon own up, don't worry I'm a Marc
Almond fan too. What is the name of the track? It's just brilliant
 
    Well it's back to listening to the masterpiece while I'm studying for my
Microsoft exam.... well at least I'll enjoy the music.
 
    Take care all,
 
    Tom Siomopoulos.

 

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 23:03:42 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:03:42 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D39F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <003601c3f021$bf1642c0$b7bb4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

i was meaning the audio noise is quite hi, looking at the solder it reminds me of  sony equipment-horendous dry joints in the making, dissapointment all round
looks like later naks are not built as good as expected-oh well as fleetwood mac would say
the service manual is on its way for the 300e
actual sound quality is good though!, my expectations may have been a bit to high
phill
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Thomas Siomopoulos 
  To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:22 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] bx-300e


  The BX300 uses the next generation mechanisms made by Sankyo, yes they are a tad noisy compared to the genuine nak mechanisms. 
   
      Tom.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: p r [mailto:phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk]
    Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 7:42 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e


    hi ho
    just got a bx 300e, the o\p section seems very noisy, i thought naks were made better than this!, compared to my 700
    phill


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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Tue Feb 10 23:11:32 2004
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:11:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] service manual for nakamichi tuner 430
Message-ID: <002b01c3f022$d71c0d40$aac86391@p4t533c>

Hi all,

do we have a service manual for the nakamichi 430 tuner somewhere on the nak site?
or does someone have this manual? I'am busy recovering a vintage 430 tuner so a service manual would be very welcome.

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From mdunn at cantares.on.ca  Tue Feb 10 23:27:20 2004
From: mdunn at cantares.on.ca (Michael Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:27:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Timer switch
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D39F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D39F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <a05100305bc4f09a8ef6d@[64.7.131.185]>

    What does the Play/Rec Timer switch found on many (all?) Naks do? 
(apart from auto-playing when the power is turned on)

thx
Michael



From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 23:50:12 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:50:12 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Timer switch
In-Reply-To: <a05100305bc4f09a8ef6d@[64.7.131.185]>
Message-ID: <000a01c3f028$3e37aca0$4a6e893e@oemcomputer>

If you connect the power supply of your cassette to an audio timer, using
those switches will allow you to play or record at a time of your choosing
by setting the automatic timer to switch on at that moment.  Very useful for
dubbing off the radio during working hours when you have to be somewhere
that's not anywhere near your tuner or cassette deck!  You might also use
your cassette deck in conjunction with the timer to wake you up to music
after a night's sleep ...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael Dunn
> Sent: 10 February 2004 22:27
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Timer switch
>
>
>     What does the Play/Rec Timer switch found on many (all?) Naks do?
> (apart from auto-playing when the power is turned on)
>
> thx
> Michael
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 23:48:27 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:48:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Timer switch
In-Reply-To: <a05100305bc4f09a8ef6d@[64.7.131.185]>
Message-ID: <20040210224827.78698.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com>

What does it do?  It does three things.
When in the play position it auto plays when it's
turned on.  When in the Rec position it auto records
when it's turned on.  When in the middle position it
shouldn't do anything when it's turned on, but, on a
lot of my MR-1's when it's in the middle position it
still auto records when it's turned on.  This feature
is VERY annoying and is usually cured by spraying it
full of contact cleaner and moving the switch back and
forth about 20 times.  


Scott J.



--- Michael Dunn <mdunn at cantares.on.ca> wrote:
>     What does the Play/Rec Timer switch found on
> many (all?) Naks do? 
> (apart from auto-playing when the power is turned
> on)
> 
> thx
> Michael
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Feb 11 00:04:09 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:04:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
In-Reply-To: <003601c3f021$bf1642c0$b7bb4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D39F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<003601c3f021$bf1642c0$b7bb4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <40296369.70201@rcn.com>


IME, the BX-300 is as quiet (electrically) as any Nak deck.

-- Ron


p r wrote:
> i was meaning the audio noise is quite hi, looking at the solder it reminds me of  sony equipment-horendous dry joints in the making, dissapointment all round
> looks like later naks are not built as good as expected-oh well as fleetwood mac would say
> the service manual is on its way for the 300e
> actual sound quality is good though!, my expectations may have been a bit to high
> phill
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Thomas Siomopoulos 
>   To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
>   Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:22 PM
>   Subject: RE: [naktalk] bx-300e
> 
> 
>   The BX300 uses the next generation mechanisms made by Sankyo, yes they are a tad noisy compared to the genuine nak mechanisms. 
>    
>       Tom.
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: p r [mailto:phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk]
>     Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 7:42 
>     To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>     Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
> 
> 
>     hi ho
>     just got a bx 300e, the o\p section seems very noisy, i thought naks were made better than this!, compared to my 700
>     phill




From mdunn at cantares.on.ca  Wed Feb 11 01:38:09 2004
From: mdunn at cantares.on.ca (Michael Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:38:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Timer switch, bias selector
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3f028$3e37aca0$4a6e893e@oemcomputer>
References: <000a01c3f028$3e37aca0$4a6e893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <a05100308bc4f29305e48@[64.7.131.185]>

    Thx for the Timer answers guys!  Next question:

    I assume the EX/SX/ZX buttons on my BX-1 are bias switches for 
normal/CrO2/metal tapes???  Yes?

Michael


From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Feb 11 01:37:52 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:37:52 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Timer switch, bias selector
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D3A6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Absolutely. Ex=Normal, SX=Chrome/high, ZX=Metal.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Dunn [mailto:mdunn at cantares.on.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 11:38 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Timer switch, bias selector


    Thx for the Timer answers guys!  Next question:

    I assume the EX/SX/ZX buttons on my BX-1 are bias switches for 
normal/CrO2/metal tapes???  Yes?

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Feb 11 02:04:02 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:04:02 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Timer switch, bias selector
Message-ID: <3f89ac33f8d245.3f8d2453f89ac3@vsnl.net>

Wouter 
The Nakamichi idiosyncrasies and its unusal features - similar to one question being repeatedly asked like the one below - should be in your new site
kannan
PS I notice that cassette Deck 1 shows the tape types as Type I Type II etc with both bias and equalization in one. switch This is a great departure from their practice of keeping seperate switch for bias selection and equalization (70/120 uSec). Sometimes it is covenient to select 70 uSec equalization for type I tape to record and play to reduce tape hiss!
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:37 pm
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Timer switch, bias selector

> Absolutely. Ex=Normal, SX=Chrome/high, ZX=Metal.
> 
> 	Tom.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dunn [mdunn at cantares.on.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 11:38 
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Timer switch, bias selector
> 
> 
>    Thx for the Timer answers guys!  Next question:
> 
>    I assume the EX/SX/ZX buttons on my BX-1 are bias switches for 
> normal/CrO2/metal tapes???  Yes?
> 
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From fkelly at irpgroup.com  Wed Feb 11 02:11:53 2004
From: fkelly at irpgroup.com (Frank Kelly Jr)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:11:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem 580 Signal drop out.. Help
Message-ID: <000801c3f03c$0a4c9180$3adde944@pittpa.adelphia.net>

I have a Nak 580 in the office and during play back the signal just disappears. The meters register nothing. If I push stop then play the signal comes back for awhile then drop out again. I check the cassette on a different deck ( Denon 740) my other Nak a 680 is in the shop getting new belts and cleaned up.

Any suggestions as what is happening to the 580.

Thanks
Frank
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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Wed Feb 11 02:16:55 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:16:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Marathon Tapes Project UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <002701c3ef9d$a297ff00$26773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040211021655.01371220@mail.sireconnect.de>

Hi there!

At 22:18 09.02.2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Targowski Dr. Mike Martorana Gary Johnson   The following members are the
>only ones that I  haven't received the funds and are on hold:

...

If this is the list for the belated ones on the waiting list:
Put me on it. Dunno if that was forgotten somehow?
Anyhow, I want to be queued!

Best regards, JO
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Feb 11 02:40:31 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:40:31 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Problem 580 Signal drop out.. Help
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D3A8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

My guess would be capstain belt is loose and not keeping the tension even
across the heads. Try opening the unit and while playing the tape lightly
touch the far most left capstain (looking from above), and see if that
brings the sound back.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Kelly Jr [mailto:fkelly at irpgroup.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:12 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Problem 580 Signal drop out.. Help


I have a Nak 580 in the office and during play back the signal just
disappears. The meters register nothing. If I push stop then play the signal
comes back for awhile then drop out again. I check the cassette on a
different deck ( Denon 740) my other Nak a 680 is in the shop getting new
belts and cleaned up.
 
Any suggestions as what is happening to the 580.
 
Thanks
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Wed Feb 11 05:55:04 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:55:04 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tapes Project
Message-ID: <001d01c3f05b$36dc8e20$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Carlos,

I've been listening to the Marathon Tapes discs, maybe twelve times now during the last few days.  Transposed to cassette too, and it sounds excellent coming from a Nak deck!  I haven't yet even opened the Revox files disc!  Maybe this weekend I will do a comparison. 
 
Marathon Tapes is phenomenal.  You arranged the music in a sequence that is really nice.  Still no reply from the mystery contributor, disc 2, 2-7.  Anyone have a clue who might have been the originator of the mystery music track?

Regards,

Bleus


Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:45:25 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c3eff5$48dfac30$57773242 at CopyTech>
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Thanks Tom. The real geniuses are all of you who made some wonderful contributions. I just put them in order ... Bleus, how do you compare the Revox Files to our masterpiece ? 

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From helmut.seiwald at stz-egs.de  Wed Feb 11 08:15:44 2004
From: helmut.seiwald at stz-egs.de (Helmut_Seiwald)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:15:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-5
Message-ID: <4029D6A0.9030902@stz-egs.de>

Hello,
I bought a beautiful LX-5 last year at ebay. Until now I used it only as 
a stand alone unit with headphones where it sounds really good with my 
old tapes from an 480. Now I changed my decks and connected the LX-5 to 
my stereo unit. Using the normal output plugs via the amplifier the 
sound is rather bad and the level on both channels is significantly 
different (cables and amplifier inputs are o.k. since it works well with 
the 480). Any ideas, where I could search the failure? Maybe a symptome 
of the legendary orange caps?
Thanks, Helmut

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From merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com  Wed Feb 11 08:39:29 2004
From: merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com (merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:39:29 +0100
Subject: Antwort: Re: Antwort: [naktalk] A couple of Questions please...
Message-ID: <OF2894DB18.A8C1AF93-ONC1256E37.002A0419-C1256E37.002A1155@bayer.de>






The pictures will do  :-)

Merten


                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
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As long as you can speak German ...

Carlos

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From: <merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: Antwort: [naktalk] A couple of Questions please...


>
>
>
>
>
> Go to www.Revox.net
>
> Great page.
>
> Merten
>
>
>
>
>
>                                                 An: "Talk about Nakamichi
Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
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couple of Questions please...
>
>               naktalk-bounces at naks.com
>               Received :  10.02.2004
>               16:33
>               Bitte antworten an Talk
>               about Nakamichi Cassette

>               Decks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if there is a website for Revox vintage cassette decks.
I am
> shopping for one on ebay, but would like to see the model "line-up" for
cassette
> decks so I know what I'm shopping for.  Or...can someone educate me on
what the
> best is I should look for.  (this is just to accompany my NAK 680ZX!!!)
>
> Also, probably a question for audiotalk, but...with all the talk of tape
> recording gear etc.  why is the old TEAC brand rarely mentioned??  I have
a TEAC
> 6010 which I have had for years and works great.
>
> Randall in Seattle
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Feb 11 10:14:20 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:14:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] service manual for nakamichi tuner 430
In-Reply-To: <002b01c3f022$d71c0d40$aac86391@p4t533c>
References: <002b01c3f022$d71c0d40$aac86391@p4t533c>
Message-ID: <14470.212.78.179.234.1076490860.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>


Hi Noirman,
I'm sorry but it is not there :-(
Wouter

> do we have a service manual for the nakamichi 430 tuner somewhere on the
> nak site?



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Feb 11 12:55:45 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:55:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: audiophile blank tapes: JAY
Message-ID: <s02a346a.047@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Jay,

Yes, that's right(they would be considered goo)..  I just had a good
look at this ebay auction.  These are "CE" (Chrome Extra) and slot in
between "Chrome Record II" and CS II or "Chrome Super II".  After this,
is the CM II (Chrome Maxima II) beofre you get to the esteemed Reference
Maxima TP II.

I have used these occasionally and must say, they provided very nice
results.  I know Graham uses them too as they are quite widely available
in the UK.

I am able to get Chrome Record II, CE II, CM II and Ref Maxima TPII in
RSA.  NO sign of CS II or Metal Maxima TP IV unfortunately.

Jay, for US$9.00 for the lot, this is not a bad price as it stands
presently.

Good luck on your acquisitions!!

Marc



>>> Jay <jay at benach.com> 02/10/04 05:25AM >>>
hi again... so
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076586728&category=14962


would be considered 'good', but not the level of the reference maxima?




--On Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:25 PM +0200 Mark Hugo
<Mhugo at sunint.co.za> 
wrote:

> Greetings Jay,
>
> Thanks for the note and the llink - which I have visited.  I saw the
> reference to the "Reference Master" from BASF and although it has a
> different wrapper from the European wrapper, it refers to the three
part
> construction and the azimuth stabilizer.  As a consequence, I'm
willing
> to bet that they are exactly the same tape.
>
> You also ask if BASF are no longer made and if they are now replaced
by
> EMTEC. Yes, this is correct, and it is well to note that there has
been
> absolutely no drop in quality that I have noticed.  I have purchased
CEs
> (Chrome Extra) and their more affordable chrome, the "Chrome Record
II"
> in the very pretty blue wrapper, and the quality is excellent and
the
> product is identical to the previous "BASF" item.
>
> What I have noticed is that they have pared down their range of
tapes
> considerably.  The CE is still there, the CS (Chrome Super) and CM
> (Chrome Maxima) are not and they seem to be continuing with the
Reference
> Maxima/Reference Master.  The Metal Maxima TP IV (predominantly
purple
> wrapper) is discontinued.  BASF/EMTEC tapes are characterised by
their
> durability.  As a company, they were one of the few (Scotch and
Memorex
> were also exceptions) that made genuine chromium dioxide tape
> formulations which required a very high bias current.  Internal
power
> supplies of at least 15VA.  The user in turn had to be very careful
not
> to use too much recording level or saturation (obvious in upper
> frequencies) would be reached very quickly.  As a consequence, these
"
> genuine chromes" from the eighties, into early nineties had the
lowest
> noise floor of any cassette and rewarded with no dolby recordings of
> unusual dynamics and realism.  I have some Chrome Extras and Chrome
> Supers from around 1984-1993 that still sound fantastic and they have
had
> many, many runs through the various decks I use.  The modern
BASF/EMTECs
> are unfortunately doped ferrics, also known as "pseudochromes". 
They
> trade off a slightly higher noise floor for a greater affinity for
the
> searing treble energy of the better Japanese type IIs.  (The short
> version is that the modern CS and CM are much more like Maxell
XL-II,
> Fuji K2 and TDK-SA-X than before).
>
> Incidentally, the Maximas (Chrome, Ref and Metal) would be
practically
> impossible to counterfeit because of their construction and the
engaving
> on the tape hubs!!
>
> Here's a pic of the 'Maxima TPII and I'll see if I can get a
definitive
> answer on the 2 products.
>
> All the best,
>
> Marc Hugo
>
>>>> Jay <jay at benach.com> 07/15/03 03:26PM >>>
> very, VERY much appeciated.  i am also thinking that BASF is no
longer
> the name on these things, I think it is Emtec?  are thes they
>
> http://www.jrpro.com/aud-prod.htm 
>
>
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Mark Hugo wrote:
>
>> Hi Jay,
>>
>> You know, I think the "Reference Master" might be the same as the
BASF
>> Reference Maxima ( I'll locate a pic of the Maxima and send it
through
>> to your direct address for comparison).  I have seen the Reference
>> Master on sale at a couple of north American media e-commerce sites
and
>> would tentatively think they are the same.  I don't know why they
would
>> use a different name - perhaps Nissan had already bagged the name
>> "Maxima" !!  I shall try to find out whether they are the same tapes
and
>> get back to you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> Jay <jay at benach.com> 07/15/03 12:11AM >>>
>> where do i get
Incidentallyntly, any stocks of BASF Chrome Maxima, Reference Maxima
>> TPII and Metal Maxima TP IV should be purchased if you come across
>> them.  Both the latter
>> are three piece constructions and have the Azimuth Stabilizer.  They
are
>> beautifully
>> built, highly durable and superb sounding.
>> "
>>
>> and would you include the Reference Master II in this grouping?
>>
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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Wed Feb 11 14:54:54 2004
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:54:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem 580 Signal drop out.. Help
Message-ID: <F7EDFCE625F7CC4AB3C0374E38807A501AF899@EMSS09M08.us.lmco.com>

The other issue with these is the play button lite.  If the light is
going out you loose Audio.  IF this is a problem when you replace the
bulb also put a 1K resistor in parallel so it will continue to work when
the next blub burns out.
 
Kurtis

	-----Original Message-----
	From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]
On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
	Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:41 PM
	To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
	Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem 580 Signal drop out.. Help
	
	
	My guess would be capstain belt is loose and not keeping the
tension even across the heads. Try opening the unit and while playing
the tape lightly touch the far most left capstain (looking from above),
and see if that brings the sound back.
	 
	    Tom.

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Frank Kelly Jr [mailto:fkelly at irpgroup.com]
		Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:12 
		To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
		Subject: [naktalk] Problem 580 Signal drop out.. Help
		
		
		I have a Nak 580 in the office and during play back the
signal just disappears. The meters register nothing. If I push stop then
play the signal comes back for awhile then drop out again. I check the
cassette on a different deck ( Denon 740) my other Nak a 680 is in the
shop getting new belts and cleaned up.
		 
		Any suggestions as what is happening to the 580.
		 
		Thanks
		Frank

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Feb 11 15:18:36 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:18:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-5
In-Reply-To: <4029D6A0.9030902@stz-egs.de>
References: <4029D6A0.9030902@stz-egs.de>
Message-ID: <402A39BC.2040907@rcn.com>

Helmut_Seiwald wrote:
> Hello,
> I bought a beautiful LX-5 last year at ebay. Until now I used it only as 
> a stand alone unit with headphones where it sounds really good with my 
> old tapes from an 480. Now I changed my decks and connected the LX-5 to 
> my stereo unit. Using the normal output plugs via the amplifier the 
> sound is rather bad and the level on both channels is significantly 
> different (cables and amplifier inputs are o.k. since it works well with 
> the 480). Any ideas, where I could search the failure? Maybe a symptome 
> of the legendary orange caps?
> Thanks, Helmut

The place to look for would be the circuitry between the
headphones output and the line output.

Unfortunately, I cannot be more specific. the schematic
is missing from the LX-5 service manual I downloaded from
the Naks.com site a long time ago. However, if you have
the complete service manual, you can locate the headphone
output and the line output on the schematic. There is
usually a small number of components between the two,
that should be checked on the bench. Based on your
description, I would check coupling capacitors first.

Good luck,

-- Ron

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From peter.sherer at kodak.com  Wed Feb 11 15:36:58 2004
From: peter.sherer at kodak.com (peter.sherer at kodak.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:36:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Owners Manual, 660ZX
Message-ID: <OFD8FD4174.3F39A6D5-ON85256E37.00502B78@kodak.com>

Hello:  Can anyone direct me to a source for an owner's manual for a 660ZX
deck that I recently purchased off of EBay?  Your assistance would be most
appreciated.  Thank you.



Peter Sherer
Coating and Drying Hardware Unit
Support & Coating Technology Division
B-23, 5th fl, MC 24334, X26030




From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Feb 11 15:56:18 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:56:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] BASF CE II/Ref Maxima TP II
Message-ID: <s02a5ebe.086@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Sorry Jay,

I realise I wasn't particularly explicit when I wrote to you - the CE
is a respectable chrome, quiter than the Record II, and with a better
damped shell.  It lacks the effervescence of the Chrome Super II which
take more treble energy and is a very fine type type II in general.  

The Chrome Maxima II is a very handsome cassette, with particulalry
upfront sound, able to take still more HF (than CS II), but well
balanced in general.  The mechanism is very smooth (fully see-through)
and quiet.

The Reference Maxima is an altogether different and superior order of
tape - somewhat lower in coercivity (needing the head current of a
high-end deck to get the most out of it), but rewarding the recordist
with copies whose powerful tonality sparkles with detail.  The mechanism
may be the best in existence.  Be assured also that this tape will
deliver a long life to the owner. I have several that I use as
demonstration cassetttes and with countless cycles to their credit still
sound as spectacular as their first day.

Recordings I have on TP II have been made on 682ZX, 480Z, Cassette Deck
One, CR 7 and DR 1.....and some other non-Naks.  Pioneer CT-S640S (not
too shabby, actually - hanging my head low here - but the dynamics with
Dolby S are amazing!!), Technics RS-AZ7 (very good with expectedly fine
bass; TASCAM 112 - a bit grainy, but on the whole good, a very meritable
performance - by no means a waste of a tape!! heh heh!

Jay, the CEs are fine for the money, but you would find it  worthwhile
to hunt down some of these Ref Maxima's / Masters (as they seem to be
called in the USA).

Cheers,

Marc

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Feb 11 17:15:33 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:15:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with LX-5
Message-ID: <4128bd2412c81c.412c81c4128bd2@vsnl.net>

Generally Nak Headphone amp is after the line amplifier( so that the output volume control works for both).Its other models ( it should be same here for LX 5 as well) a wire or connection takes off from output of the Pot goes to line out terminals.  Aheadphone drive amp sits between this and the head phone output. So in your case there is a good possibility of bad connections rather than any citcuitry involved. The Head phone out itself is lower in output impedance and infact connected to your amplifier' iinput. So first open and see the wiring between the main circuit board and the line out connectors inside the LX5 chassis. You might find th ereason very quickly
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 6:18 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with LX-5

> Helmut_Seiwald wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I bought a beautiful LX-5 last year at ebay. Until now I used it 
> only as 
> > a stand alone unit with headphones where it sounds really good 
> with my 
> > old tapes from an 480. Now I changed my decks and connected the 
> LX-5 to 
> > my stereo unit. Using the normal output plugs via the amplifier 
> the 
> > sound is rather bad and the level on both channels is 
> significantly 
> > different (cables and amplifier inputs are o.k. since it works 
> well with 
> > the 480). Any ideas, where I could search the failure? Maybe a 
> symptome 
> > of the legendary orange caps?
> > Thanks, Helmut
> 
> The place to look for would be the circuitry between the
> headphones output and the line output.
> 
> Unfortunately, I cannot be more specific. the schematic
> is missing from the LX-5 service manual I downloaded from
> the Naks.com site a long time ago. However, if you have
> the complete service manual, you can locate the headphone
> output and the line output on the schematic. There is
> usually a small number of components between the two,
> that should be checked on the bench. Based on your
> description, I would check coupling capacitors first.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> -- Ron
> 
>



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Feb 12 05:08:32 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:08:32 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Owners Manual, 660ZX
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D3AD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Peter. I have a copy of the 670ZX manual but not the 660ZX, is that ok?
The pdf file is about 2.3 meg in size, can you email server accept that size
attachment?

	Regards,

	Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: peter.sherer at kodak.com [mailto:peter.sherer at kodak.com]
Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2004 1:37 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Owners Manual, 660ZX


Hello:  Can anyone direct me to a source for an owner's manual for a 660ZX
deck that I recently purchased off of EBay?  Your assistance would be most
appreciated.  Thank you.



Peter Sherer
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Support & Coating Technology Division
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Thu Feb 12 05:41:46 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:41:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] test tapes
Message-ID: <402ABDBA.13711.3532E09@localhost>

Does anyone have a suggestion of where I could look for new test 
tapes?  Specifically, I'd like to replace my azimuth alignment tape and 
my dolby playback level tape.  There don't seem to be many sources for 
these anymore.

Cheers,
Tim



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 07:27:18 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:27:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] test tapes
In-Reply-To: <402ABDBA.13711.3532E09@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040212062718.55285.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>

Go to my web page
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
and scroll down to the section "Nakamichi Calibration
Tapes"  There you will find two links.

What ever you do, do not buy the tapes that
Electronix.com sells.  I have one and it is one of the
worst recorded tapes I have ever seen.  Not worth the
$20 the sell it for.

Scott J.

--- timbarrett at cox.net wrote:
> Does anyone have a suggestion of where I could look
> for new test 
> tapes?  Specifically, I'd like to replace my azimuth
> alignment tape and 
> my dolby playback level tape.  There don't seem to
> be many sources for 
> these anymore.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tim
> 
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From telefunkenfan at terra.com  Thu Feb 12 08:33:03 2004
From: telefunkenfan at terra.com (Salguero  NEstor)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:33:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Analog Peak Meter Problem - 670ZX
Message-ID: <CDEPLMGDLCMIFEAA@whowhere.com>

I have recently acquired one of these decks. Very impressive machine. It works great except for the right channel peak analog meter. The meter is frozen. I tried to manually adjust it, to no avail. Looks like it will need to be replaced.

Any suggestions on parts sources or do any fellow Nak enthusiast have a used meter assembly for sale?

Finally, I also need replacement bulbs (specs, voltage) for the meter assembly and cassette well illumination.

Thanks so much for your help,

Nestor



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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 09:07:59 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:07:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL
Message-ID: <20040212080759.26205.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,  
 
         I am new to this list, and believe me, I am thrilled! I have a 670ZX, DR10 and recently got a 1000ZXL from a friend. The first two decks are working. The 1000 powers up but non of the indicators are working, except the 120uS light and the bulb in the casette compartment. The motors are not working and the controls dont respond. I am not sure what is the problem thought I suspect it could be the power supply. This deck has been sitting in strorage for quite some time. Does anyone know where I can get the schematic for this deck? Grateful thanks to anyone who can help me. 
 
Bala Ganesh
Singapore


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From helmut.seiwald at stz-egs.de  Thu Feb 12 12:04:41 2004
From: helmut.seiwald at stz-egs.de (Helmut_Seiwald)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:04:41 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Output-Problem and Service Manual
Message-ID: <402B5DC9.8020506@stz-egs.de>

Hello,
thanks for your help so far.
I already looked in my service manual (PDF-doc I got from members of the 
list), but it ends with page 29.
Valuable information for me should be  on pages 41-47 (Mainboard layout) 
and  57+63 (Diagrams of the amplifier section).
Does anyone has the specified pages (or the complete manual)?
Best regards
Helmut

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From mwhipple at charter.net  Thu Feb 12 17:09:09 2004
From: mwhipple at charter.net (mwhipple at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:09:09 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
Message-ID: <200402121608.i1CG881Y062795@mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net>

Hi,

I can record directly from my Dragon to my PC or I can go through my amp first 
and then to the PC.  Is one method better than the other or not recommended?

Thank you,
Matt



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Feb 12 17:49:50 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:49:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
In-Reply-To: <200402121608.i1CG881Y062795@mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <200402121608.i1CG881Y062795@mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <402BAEAE.3070304@rcn.com>

mwhipple at charter.net wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I can record directly from my Dragon to my PC or I can go through my amp first 
> and then to the PC.  Is one method better than the other or not recommended?
> 
> Thank you,
> Matt

Either way will work. Depending on your amp quality, it could
cause some sonic deterioration. Usually, though, whatever
difference the amp may make is completely swamped by the sound
card, so, in practical terms, the two methods are identical.

-- Ron




From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Thu Feb 12 19:39:16 2004
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:39:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [offtopic]  service manual for nakamichi tuner 430
References: <002b01c3f022$d71c0d40$aac86391@p4t533c>
	<14470.212.78.179.234.1076490860.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <003901c3f197$84db0dd0$aac86391@p4t533c>

Hi Wouter,

do you want a copy of the user manual from the Nak tuner 430.(or is it
already there)
I've got the original here so i can scan if you like.

Regards Norman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] service manual for nakamichi tuner 430


>
> Hi Noirman,
> I'm sorry but it is not there :-(
> Wouter
>
> > do we have a service manual for the nakamichi 430 tuner somewhere on the
> > nak site?
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Thu Feb 12 19:47:21 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:47:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
References: <200402121608.i1CG881Y062795@mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net>
	<402BAEAE.3070304@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <001801c3f198$a6426d00$f41b0cd0@r7g1f8>

Is only when recording from vinyl to hard drive that you need a preamp due
to the low  signal output put of a turntable?  Or does a NAK have a preamp
in it???  Or both??









----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving to PC


> mwhipple at charter.net wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I can record directly from my Dragon to my PC or I can go through my amp
first
> > and then to the PC.  Is one method better than the other or not
recommended?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Matt
>
> Either way will work. Depending on your amp quality, it could
> cause some sonic deterioration. Usually, though, whatever
> difference the amp may make is completely swamped by the sound
> card, so, in practical terms, the two methods are identical.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb 12 23:58:26 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:58:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL
References: <20040212080759.26205.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c3f1bb$b9c994c0$99773242@CopyTech>

Hello Bala and welcome to the 1000 ZXL world. Parts and labor for this type of machine is expensive an scarce. There's a friend in Jankarta, Salim Marzuky, that has been lucky with one. Mine was a nightmare ...

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bala Ganesh Chandra 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:07 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL


  Hi everyone,  

           I am new to this list, and believe me, I am thrilled! I have a 670ZX, DR10 and recently got a 1000ZXL from a friend. The first two decks are working. The 1000 powers up but non of the indicators are working, except the 120uS light and the bulb in the casette compartment. The motors are not working and the controls dont respond. I am not sure what is the problem thought I suspect it could be the power supply. This deck has been sitting in strorage for quite some time. Does anyone know where I can get the schematic for this deck? Grateful thanks to anyone who can help me. 

  Bala Ganesh
  Singapore


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From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Thu Feb 12 20:21:42 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:21:42 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
Message-ID: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCAEIOCCAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

Hello to all,
		I have become interested in hi fi again after a number of years spent
raising family/work etc. and was amazed at how digitally oriented everything
had become and my old analogue gear is now looking very dated.
Then I find a web site dedicated to 20 year old technology and am intrigued
to find that Nakamichi decks are still held in such high esteem.
Well the point of this is that I would like to see why Nakamichi has gained
such a following. Basically what would you advise as the best course to dip
a toe in the water please, I still have a large collection of vinyl and
would ideally like to make recordings of these to save wear and tear as well
as play tapes previously recorded on other machines.
I have looked on ebay for a while and different models have turned up
ranging from 50 GBP to 400 GBP ($95 to $760) and I don't have the sort of
funds to just dive in at the top end.
I live in the United Kingdom.
Any help or advice would be appreciated.
Regards.
Doug Locke.



From ti at amb.org  Thu Feb 12 20:49:56 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:49:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
In-Reply-To: <001801c3f198$a6426d00$f41b0cd0@r7g1f8> from "Babin/Greseth" at
	Feb 12, 2004 10:47:21 AM
Message-ID: <200402121949.TAA13244@amb.org>

Babin/Greseth writes:
> Is only when recording from vinyl to hard drive that you need a preamp due
> to the low  signal output put of a turntable?  Or does a NAK have a preamp
> in it???  Or both??

To answer this, the concept of "preamp" has to be clarified and
compared to the relative signal levels involved in the audio
amplification chain.

In a typical audio preamp, there are two amplification stages:

1. For turtable phono (MM) input, this stage has an RIAA equalization
   frequency response curve (bass boost and treble cut) to complement
   the recording.  It has approximately 40dB of gain (about 100x) at 1KHz.
   This amplifies the output of a MM cartridge from nominal 1.5mV to
   about 150mV which is on par with the "line out" levels of CD players,
   tape decks, tuners, etc.

   For low output MC cartridges, a pre-preamp or step-up transformer
   is employed prior to the phono MM input to boost the level up to
   par with those of MM cartridges.  Some preamps' phono amp stage
   has switchable gain for MM or MC cartridges.

2. The output of the phono stage, as well as the inputs from the tape
   deck, tuner, CD player, etc., are selected by the "Selector" switch
   on the preamp, then controlled by a volume control potentiometer,
   and then fed into second "line" stage amplifier that provides an
   additional 20dB (10x) of gain.  This brings the signal level
   up to a nominal 1.5V which is the "pre-out" level appropriate
   for connection to the input of a power amplifier.

And then there is more amplification in the power amp:

3. The power amplifier has an additional amount of gain, typically
   around 25dB to 30dB (approximately 26x to 30x) to get the level
   high enough to drive the speakers.

These "nominal" voltage values are not typical listening levels, but
a level that's considered to be a reference level for full output (read
"pretty darn loud").

The computer sound card's "line input" typically has an input sensitivity
that is appropriate for direct connection from a CD player, tape deck, 
or tuner, but not appropriate for a MM or MC phono cartridge (not to
mention that it doesn't have the required RIAA equalization curve).
Thus, a separate phono stage (or the phono stage within a preamp) is
required for connection from a turntable.

Whatever you connect to the "line" input of your computer's sound card,
you control the volume using the software mixer's "line" and "master"
volume controls.

If you connect the output (the "pre-out") of an audio preamp into the
line input of the sound card, you will need to set the volume control
on the preamp typically to about halfway, so that it won't overload
the sound card's input and cause clipping.

The Nakamichi tape decks, or most other cassette decks for that matter
does not contain a "preamp" in it in the classic sense, but it provides
enough amplification internally to bring the tape head's output level
to the "line" level.

Hope this answers your questions.

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From mwhipple at charter.net  Thu Feb 12 20:53:01 2004
From: mwhipple at charter.net (mwhipple at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:53:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
Message-ID: <200402121953.i1CJr1Bo082804@mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net>

As far as I know a pre-amp is not necessary. I've recorded right my NAK to my soundcard.

> 
> From: "Babin/Greseth" <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
> Date: 2004/02/12 Thu PM 01:47:21 EST
> To: <ra.ah at rcn.com>,  "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
> 
> Is only when recording from vinyl to hard drive that you need a preamp due
> to the low  signal output put of a turntable?  Or does a NAK have a preamp
> in it???  Or both??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
> 
> 
> > mwhipple at charter.net wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I can record directly from my Dragon to my PC or I can go through my amp
> first
> > > and then to the PC.  Is one method better than the other or not
> recommended?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Matt
> >
> > Either way will work. Depending on your amp quality, it could
> > cause some sonic deterioration. Usually, though, whatever
> > difference the amp may make is completely swamped by the sound
> > card, so, in practical terms, the two methods are identical.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
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From peter.sherer at kodak.com  Thu Feb 12 21:02:06 2004
From: peter.sherer at kodak.com (peter.sherer at kodak.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:02:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
Message-ID: <OF36B95AA4.468BA3DB-ON85256E38.006BDACF@kodak.com>


Doug:  Your situation sounds just like mine.  I recently had my college
aged daughter introduce us to EBay, which she used to purchase text books.
Years ago I owned a Nakamichi 480, which failed and I discarded.  When I
got onto EBay and found out that Naks were traded fairly regularly, I
decided I wanted to replace the 480 but within a limited budget.  I
eventually decided to focus on the 660ZX to 680ZX series because it sounded
to me like they are some of the most robust decks in terms of transport and
recording finesse for the money.  I eventually decided that 680 series was
too expensive for my budget, (I really did not need the 1/2 speed feature)
and I had to compromise my desire to get Dolby C.  So, I ended up with a
660 (basic difference between it and 670 is tape monitor).  Deck is
enroute, we'll see if it all works out.

I used Naks.com and Sonicsense.com as resources, I suggest you use them as
references in your search.  Good luck!


Peter Sherer
Coating and Drying Hardware Unit
Support & Coating Technology Division
B-23, 5th fl, MC 24334, X26030




From ti at amb.org  Thu Feb 12 21:07:05 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:07:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
In-Reply-To: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCAEIOCCAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com> from
	"Doug Locke" at Feb 12, 2004 07:21:42 PM
Message-ID: <200402122007.UAA13376@amb.org>

Doug Locke writes:
> 		I have become interested in hi fi again after a number of years spent
> raising family/work etc. and was amazed at how digitally oriented everything
> had become and my old analogue gear is now looking very dated.

Fear not.  Despite the marketing hype about digital this and digital
that, audio technology really hasn't fundamentally changed in the
past couple of decades.

> Then I find a web site dedicated to 20 year old technology and am intrigued
> to find that Nakamichi decks are still held in such high esteem.
> Well the point of this is that I would like to see why Nakamichi has gained
> such a following.

In a word: performance.  Nakamichi made some of the best performing
and sounding cassette tape decks, and that is why they are what they are.

> Basically what would you advise as the best course to dip
> a toe in the water please, I still have a large collection of vinyl and
> would ideally like to make recordings of these to save wear and tear as well
> as play tapes previously recorded on other machines.
> I have looked on ebay for a while and different models have turned up
> ranging from 50 GBP to 400 GBP ($95 to $760) and I don't have the sort of
> funds to just dive in at the top end.

You should pick the best deck that your budget allows.  For playback
of tapes that were recorded on other decks, a Nakamichi Dragon is
highly preferable due to its NAAC feature (which automatically adjusts
the tape head azimuth to match the tape).  Otherwise, almost any Nakamichi
could be worthy of consideration.  Of course, you should be careful
when shopping to buy one that is in good condition.  Nakamichi no longer
makes cassette decks and replacment parts for old models are becoming
scarce, so don't buy anything that's going to need repairs to get you
going.

Go to the archives of this email list and peruse at your leisure.  I think
you'll find a lot of useful information there.

-Ti
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 12 21:27:52 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:27:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
Message-ID: <BAY2-F8lyCNB57QmBuq0001cd62@hotmail.com>

Peter:

Do you have relatives in Greenwich, Conn? Or Chicago, Ill?

Neil


>From: peter.sherer at kodak.com
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:02:06 -0500
>
>
>Doug:  Your situation sounds just like mine.  I recently had my college
>aged daughter introduce us to EBay, which she used to purchase text books.
>Years ago I owned a Nakamichi 480, which failed and I discarded.  When I
>got onto EBay and found out that Naks were traded fairly regularly, I
>decided I wanted to replace the 480 but within a limited budget.  I
>eventually decided to focus on the 660ZX to 680ZX series because it sounded
>to me like they are some of the most robust decks in terms of transport and
>recording finesse for the money.  I eventually decided that 680 series was
>too expensive for my budget, (I really did not need the 1/2 speed feature)
>and I had to compromise my desire to get Dolby C.  So, I ended up with a
>660 (basic difference between it and 670 is tape monitor).  Deck is
>enroute, we'll see if it all works out.
>
>I used Naks.com and Sonicsense.com as resources, I suggest you use them as
>references in your search.  Good luck!
>
>
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From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr  Thu Feb 12 22:06:02 2004
From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (ymj.lombard)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:06:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600
Message-ID: <00d701c3f1ac$05bb5d60$2f52fb51@lombard>

Hello,
I'm trying to buy a 600 or 600 II cassette deck. 
I've been on eBay several times, but I couldn't find one for sale in Europe; and the few on sale in the US are only shippable in north america.
Does anyone has one for sale and shippable to France?
It has to have a black front panel in good looking condition.
Thank's for any answer
Regards 
Yves
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 22:11:58 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:11:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
In-Reply-To: <200402121949.TAA13244@amb.org>
Message-ID: <20040212211158.68962.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com>

The sound card in my computer sucks.  I tried going in
directly on the Line in and was disgusted by all the
noise.  It's not audiable when using computer
speakers, but, when I burned a CD and listened to it
through headphones (Stax Lambda electrostats) I was
disgusted.  

Now I run my Nak MR-1 XLR outputs into my Sony
PCM-2700 DAT machine's XLR inputs and then take the
coax digital SPDIF output into the computer.  This
gives me two huge advantages.  1) The A/D converters
are no longer in the extremely noise computer case. 2)
Now I have a record level knob and really nice VU
meters with peak hold and margin indication (a little
digital display on the side tells me how much margin I
have from the highier peak to digital clipping.)
I can walk away and when I come back I can tell if I
clipped.

The sound quality is now excellent.  Although I think
Stephen doesn't like the PCM-2700, but, rather the
earlier PCM-2500.  To me I think it sounds great to my
bronze (not Golden) ears.

Scott J.



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Feb 12 22:23:01 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:23:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600
Message-ID: <43426da434198f.434198f43426da@vsnl.net>

Hi I am curious why you are looking only for 600 model while there are plenty of other models ( generally I would suggest three head later models due entirely due to vailablity of spare parts - they record much better than probably 600 series?)
kannan
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Feb 12 22:34:14 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:34:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [offtopic]  service manual for nakamichi tuner 430
In-Reply-To: <003901c3f197$84db0dd0$aac86391@p4t533c>
References: <002b01c3f022$d71c0d40$aac86391@p4t533c>	<14470.212.78.179.234.1076490860.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
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Message-ID: <402BF156.9010802@xs4all.nl>

Hi Norman,
If you have time to scan it please do, i think it is not such a 
'popular' unit (also for find) but who knows someone may as for a manual 
again!
Regards,
Wouter

Norman van Wijnen wrote:

>Hi Wouter,
>
>do you want a copy of the user manual from the Nak tuner 430.(or is it
>already there)
>I've got the original here so i can scan if you like.
>
>Regards Norman
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] service manual for nakamichi tuner 430
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Noirman,
>>I'm sorry but it is not there :-(
>>Wouter
>>
>>    
>>
>>>do we have a service manual for the nakamichi 430 tuner somewhere on the
>>>nak site?
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Feb 12 23:14:31 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:14:31 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
In-Reply-To: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCAEIOCCAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3f1b5$96ae8460$9a6b893e@oemcomputer>

Doug

Be aware that a lot of the guys in this "club" have considerable engineering
ability to keep their Nak's going.  (I'm not one of them!)  And even then,
they still have problems getting spares for their beloved machines when they
break ... because the spares are no longer manufactured and, if they exist
at all, they are premium priced because of their rarity or else already
installed in another machine that would have to be cannibalised to get the
part.  In other words, going into Nak's at this stage is a labour of love
.... and financial risk.

Having said that, once you've heard an "on song" Nak' make a recording and
play it back you'll know what all the fuss is about!   Even the modest 2
head decks will out perform most other old makes with three heads.

Even so, some do argue that some of the ReVox cassette machines are the
equal (some argue the better) of most Nakamichi decks.  I'm not about to
offer a view on this except to say the ReVox machines are damned good and
highly reliable if regularly serviced.  Their advantage is that spare parts
are still readily available, although I'd expect them to go the same way as
Nakamichi eventually, as digital recording equipment slowly replaces all
those ReVox machines used by airports, the Police, recording and radio
stations, etc..

Graham  (also in the UK)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Doug Locke
> Sent: 12 February 2004 19:22
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
>
>
> Hello to all,
> 		I have become interested in hi fi again after a
> number of years spent
> raising family/work etc. and was amazed at how digitally oriented
> everything
> had become and my old analogue gear is now looking very dated.
> Then I find a web site dedicated to 20 year old technology and am
> intrigued
> to find that Nakamichi decks are still held in such high esteem.
> Well the point of this is that I would like to see why Nakamichi
> has gained
> such a following. Basically what would you advise as the best
> course to dip
> a toe in the water please, I still have a large collection of vinyl and
> would ideally like to make recordings of these to save wear and
> tear as well
> as play tapes previously recorded on other machines.
> I have looked on ebay for a while and different models have turned up
> ranging from 50 GBP to 400 GBP ($95 to $760) and I don't have the sort of
> funds to just dive in at the top end.
> I live in the United Kingdom.
> Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> Regards.
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Feb 12 23:24:36 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:24:36 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
Message-ID: <002101c3f1b6$ff8b3180$76e94f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
just got a 300e working again and thought you may be interested:-
the idler needed the surface hardness removing.... ff\rew non existant.
and is now fine may not need changing as often as reported, and the sliders where making horendous noise wd40 sorted -ok i know lots of contributors will complain about using wd40 but i reckon its fine for this purpose,as long as kept away from rubber bits and pieces.
phill
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 00:18:55 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:18:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
In-Reply-To: <002101c3f1b6$ff8b3180$76e94f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <20040212231855.19211.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com>

The rubber idlers are so cheap why would you want to
bother resurfacing it.  Just replace it, it will last
longer between servicing.

WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  No where on the can does it
say it's a lubricant.  It stops squeaks (but doesn't
necessarily lubricate), displaces moisture, cleans and
protects.  

The WD in WD-40 stands are Water Displace and that's
what it was developed to do.

And apparently it is ok to injest in small quantities.
 The cans says, "USDA APPROVED for food processing
facilities."  Don't try this at home.

Spraying that stuff into to a pot (slider) is the
worst place to use the stuff.  As the petroleum
distillates evaporate it leaves a nasty film that is
notorious for getting gooey and attracting dust.  A
contact cleaner should have been used, especially one
containing a few percent of cramolin oil.

Scott J.

--- p r <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> hi
> just got a 300e working again and thought you may be
> interested:-
> the idler needed the surface hardness removing....
> ff\rew non existant.
> and is now fine may not need changing as often as
> reported, and the sliders where making horendous
> noise wd40 sorted -ok i know lots of contributors
> will complain about using wd40 but i reckon its fine
> for this purpose,as long as kept away from rubber
> bits and pieces.
> phill
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Feb 13 00:24:46 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:24:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
References: <20040212231855.19211.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3f1bf$66cffc60$76e94f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

im in uk difficult getting them ! took 5min to resurface how long would it
take to get\find one?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx-300e


> The rubber idlers are so cheap why would you want to
> bother resurfacing it.  Just replace it, it will last
> longer between servicing.
>
> WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  No where on the can does it
> say it's a lubricant.  It stops squeaks (but doesn't
> necessarily lubricate), displaces moisture, cleans and
> protects.
>
> The WD in WD-40 stands are Water Displace and that's
> what it was developed to do.
>
> And apparently it is ok to injest in small quantities.
>  The cans says, "USDA APPROVED for food processing
> facilities."  Don't try this at home.
>
> Spraying that stuff into to a pot (slider) is the
> worst place to use the stuff.  As the petroleum
> distillates evaporate it leaves a nasty film that is
> notorious for getting gooey and attracting dust.  A
> contact cleaner should have been used, especially one
> containing a few percent of cramolin oil.
>
> Scott J.
>
> --- p r <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > hi
> > just got a 300e working again and thought you may be
> > interested:-
> > the idler needed the surface hardness removing....
> > ff\rew non existant.
> > and is now fine may not need changing as often as
> > reported, and the sliders where making horendous
> > noise wd40 sorted -ok i know lots of contributors
> > will complain about using wd40 but i reckon its fine
> > for this purpose,as long as kept away from rubber
> > bits and pieces.
> > phill
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Feb 13 00:26:10 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:26:10 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
References: <20040212231855.19211.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c3f1bf$99541d60$76e94f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

i am in the real world wd40 is fine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx-300e


> The rubber idlers are so cheap why would you want to
> bother resurfacing it.  Just replace it, it will last
> longer between servicing.
>
> WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  No where on the can does it
> say it's a lubricant.  It stops squeaks (but doesn't
> necessarily lubricate), displaces moisture, cleans and
> protects.
>
> The WD in WD-40 stands are Water Displace and that's
> what it was developed to do.
>
> And apparently it is ok to injest in small quantities.
>  The cans says, "USDA APPROVED for food processing
> facilities."  Don't try this at home.
>
> Spraying that stuff into to a pot (slider) is the
> worst place to use the stuff.  As the petroleum
> distillates evaporate it leaves a nasty film that is
> notorious for getting gooey and attracting dust.  A
> contact cleaner should have been used, especially one
> containing a few percent of cramolin oil.
>
> Scott J.
>
> --- p r <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > hi
> > just got a 300e working again and thought you may be
> > interested:-
> > the idler needed the surface hardness removing....
> > ff\rew non existant.
> > and is now fine may not need changing as often as
> > reported, and the sliders where making horendous
> > noise wd40 sorted -ok i know lots of contributors
> > will complain about using wd40 but i reckon its fine
> > for this purpose,as long as kept away from rubber
> > bits and pieces.
> > phill
> > >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 13 02:10:26 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:10:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
Message-ID: <BAY2-F48HCxxPotmbGp0000f371@hotmail.com>

My cousin stupidly used WD-40 on his RX-202...needless to say the deck was 
all F-ed up..had to spend a great deal to repair the damage it had done.


>From: "p r" <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx-300e
>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:26:10 -0000
>
>i am in the real world wd40 is fine
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx-300e
>
>
> > The rubber idlers are so cheap why would you want to
> > bother resurfacing it.  Just replace it, it will last
> > longer between servicing.
> >
> > WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  No where on the can does it
> > say it's a lubricant.  It stops squeaks (but doesn't
> > necessarily lubricate), displaces moisture, cleans and
> > protects.
> >
> > The WD in WD-40 stands are Water Displace and that's
> > what it was developed to do.
> >
> > And apparently it is ok to injest in small quantities.
> >  The cans says, "USDA APPROVED for food processing
> > facilities."  Don't try this at home.
> >
> > Spraying that stuff into to a pot (slider) is the
> > worst place to use the stuff.  As the petroleum
> > distillates evaporate it leaves a nasty film that is
> > notorious for getting gooey and attracting dust.  A
> > contact cleaner should have been used, especially one
> > containing a few percent of cramolin oil.
> >
> > Scott J.
> >
> > --- p r <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > hi
> > > just got a 300e working again and thought you may be
> > > interested:-
> > > the idler needed the surface hardness removing....
> > > ff\rew non existant.
> > > and is now fine may not need changing as often as
> > > reported, and the sliders where making horendous
> > > noise wd40 sorted -ok i know lots of contributors
> > > will complain about using wd40 but i reckon its fine
> > > for this purpose,as long as kept away from rubber
> > > bits and pieces.
> > > phill
> > > >
> > 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 13 07:24:09 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:24:09 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600
References: <43426da434198f.434198f43426da@vsnl.net>
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Yves:

I'm with Kannan here. Most of the 600 series I have seen at e.bay are not in
good condition. I use to have one 600 II and sold it for peanuts. You know,
it is one of those models that were not that popular. The advantage is that
it is cheap as the 1000 and 700 Tri Tracers. But, for the money and under
100.00. choose a 582 or 480. Anyway, the belts and parts still available ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600


> Hi I am curious why you are looking only for 600 model while there are
plenty of other models ( generally I would suggest three head later models
due entirely due to vailablity of spare parts - they record much better than
probably 600 series?)
> kannan
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> Hello,
> I'm trying to buy a 600 or 600 II cassette deck.=20
> I've been on eBay several times, but I couldn't find one for sale in =
> Europe; and the few on sale in the US are only shippable in north =
> america.
> Does anyone has one for sale and shippable to France?
> It has to have a black front panel in good looking condition.
> Thank's for any answer
> Regards=20
> Yves
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 13 07:28:08 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:28:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
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That's right, Gra. At least you can find new parts for a Revox G-36 40 years
old tube open reel and 35 years old Revox A 77. Not so with less than 20
years old Naks.unfortunately ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.


> Doug
>
> Be aware that a lot of the guys in this "club" have considerable
engineering
> ability to keep their Nak's going.  (I'm not one of them!)  And even then,
> they still have problems getting spares for their beloved machines when
they
> break ... because the spares are no longer manufactured and, if they exist
> at all, they are premium priced because of their rarity or else already
> installed in another machine that would have to be cannibalised to get the
> part.  In other words, going into Nak's at this stage is a labour of love
> .... and financial risk.
>
> Having said that, once you've heard an "on song" Nak' make a recording and
> play it back you'll know what all the fuss is about!   Even the modest 2
> head decks will out perform most other old makes with three heads.
>
> Even so, some do argue that some of the ReVox cassette machines are the
> equal (some argue the better) of most Nakamichi decks.  I'm not about to
> offer a view on this except to say the ReVox machines are damned good and
> highly reliable if regularly serviced.  Their advantage is that spare
parts
> are still readily available, although I'd expect them to go the same way
as
> Nakamichi eventually, as digital recording equipment slowly replaces all
> those ReVox machines used by airports, the Police, recording and radio
> stations, etc..
>
> Graham  (also in the UK)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Doug Locke
> > Sent: 12 February 2004 19:22
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
> >
> >
> > Hello to all,
> > I have become interested in hi fi again after a
> > number of years spent
> > raising family/work etc. and was amazed at how digitally oriented
> > everything
> > had become and my old analogue gear is now looking very dated.
> > Then I find a web site dedicated to 20 year old technology and am
> > intrigued
> > to find that Nakamichi decks are still held in such high esteem.
> > Well the point of this is that I would like to see why Nakamichi
> > has gained
> > such a following. Basically what would you advise as the best
> > course to dip
> > a toe in the water please, I still have a large collection of vinyl and
> > would ideally like to make recordings of these to save wear and
> > tear as well
> > as play tapes previously recorded on other machines.
> > I have looked on ebay for a while and different models have turned up
> > ranging from 50 GBP to 400 GBP ($95 to $760) and I don't have the sort
of
> > funds to just dive in at the top end.
> > I live in the United Kingdom.
> > Any help or advice would be appreciated.
> > Regards.
> > Doug Locke.
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 13 07:30:18 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:30:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape
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Old Jim Himself
Richard Hess

Finally got your funds and sets are en-route.

Thanks,

Carlos


From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Feb 13 04:07:18 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:07:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
Message-ID: <21747-402C3F66-2493@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

what happened to the audiotalk? am i the only amateur that wants to ask
the greatest nakkers advice and questions?these men are really ,i dont
know,they are so very great people with nearly encyclopedic knowledge of
audio eingeering .i always donate to wouters site because i am so very
fortunate to recieve replies from these astute,learned men.many
misconceptions which i previously(and erroneously) held have been
rectified by these men devoted to the advancement of audio excellence.in
just the short one year i have been in these rooms i have learned so
very much,although it is a chore to try to understand them,even though
they are very careful to try and scale down the very technical nature of
their  information  to make it available to the amateur.really,of course
i understand that most nakkers anymore are skilled in electronics,is
there anyone like me who just wants a great nak and a fun time? i think
perhaps thats the common ground-even the best nakkers want a great nak
and a fun time!


 

thank you very much,
gerald



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 04:14:51 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:14:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
In-Reply-To: <000901c3f1bf$66cffc60$76e94f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <20040213031451.76178.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com>

I bought a bag of 10 for $0.57 each.  As long as they
are not stretched and stores in a cool place they last
a long time.  Once they are stretched, as they are on
the idler wheel, they start to degrade.

Scott J.

--- p r <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> im in uk difficult getting them ! took 5min to
> resurface how long would it
> take to get\find one?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx-300e
> 
> 
> > The rubber idlers are so cheap why would you want
> to
> > bother resurfacing it.  Just replace it, it will
> last
> > longer between servicing.
> >
> > WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  No where on the can
> does it
> > say it's a lubricant.  It stops squeaks (but
> doesn't
> > necessarily lubricate), displaces moisture, cleans
> and
> > protects.
> >
> > The WD in WD-40 stands are Water Displace and
> that's
> > what it was developed to do.
> >
> > And apparently it is ok to injest in small
> quantities.
> >  The cans says, "USDA APPROVED for food processing
> > facilities."  Don't try this at home.
> >
> > Spraying that stuff into to a pot (slider) is the
> > worst place to use the stuff.  As the petroleum
> > distillates evaporate it leaves a nasty film that
> is
> > notorious for getting gooey and attracting dust. 
> A
> > contact cleaner should have been used, especially
> one
> > containing a few percent of cramolin oil.
> >
> > Scott J.
> >
> > --- p r <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > hi
> > > just got a 300e working again and thought you
> may be
> > > interested:-
> > > the idler needed the surface hardness
> removing....
> > > ff\rew non existant.
> > > and is now fine may not need changing as often
> as
> > > reported, and the sliders where making horendous
> > > noise wd40 sorted -ok i know lots of
> contributors
> > > will complain about using wd40 but i reckon its
> fine
> > > for this purpose,as long as kept away from
> rubber
> > > bits and pieces.
> > > phill
> > > >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Feb 13 04:36:19 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:36:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
Message-ID: <21750-402C4633-985@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

what happened to audiotalk-only a few posts this month.isnt there
anybody who wants to talk about pre-recorded  cassettes? i have a
collection of over 200 mint prercorded cassettes. my latest find was an
angel EMI digital recording of Khachaturian Violin Concerrto
Tchaikovsky;meditation with itzhak Perlman and the Israel Phiharmonic.
(zubin Mehta). what an interesting work!i havent seen this one around
very much.heres what the liner notes say; Angels XDR(expanded Dynamic
Range) cassettes are the result of major advances in the science of sond
reproduction(cassette is dated 1984)....Ever stage of manufacturing
employs state of the art technology.  ,Angels one inch wide duplicating
master tape permits side by side tracking to achieve optimum stero
"image",wider frequency and dynamic range,and maximum clarity.
Sophisticated duplicating master is prepared directly from the digital
master,with no intervening steps.to assure optimum quality, all cassetes
are monitered during manufacture by highly sensitive electronic scanning
devices. XDR cassettes are recorded on tape produced by Capitol Magnetic
products Division,incorporating latest advancements in magnetic
oxides...(notes,for best playback use type 1 E.Q "normal" or 10
microseconds and Dolby B type noise reduction settings on your tape
deck.XDR cassettes incorporate Dolby professional headroom Extension (HX
PRO) -this does not require further decoding in playback....   this is
one of the worst cassetes i have heard in my collection,and not the
fault of the tape which is mint.awefull,unlistenable,and too bad because
what an interesting piece! if anybody wants it for their archives let me
know and i will send it to them at cost of shipping .i wont ever buy
angel digital cassettes again!

thank you very much,
gerald



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 13 05:12:48 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:12:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
Message-ID: <BAY2-F41Ywlib4g3Sv000000142@hotmail.com>

Their Lp's were nothing to write home about either!


>From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:36:19 -0600 (CST)
>
>what happened to audiotalk-only a few posts this month.isnt there
>anybody who wants to talk about pre-recorded  cassettes? i have a
>collection of over 200 mint prercorded cassettes. my latest find was an
>angel EMI digital recording of Khachaturian Violin Concerrto
>Tchaikovsky;meditation with itzhak Perlman and the Israel Phiharmonic.
>(zubin Mehta). what an interesting work!i havent seen this one around
>very much.heres what the liner notes say; Angels XDR(expanded Dynamic
>Range) cassettes are the result of major advances in the science of sond
>reproduction(cassette is dated 1984)....Ever stage of manufacturing
>employs state of the art technology.  ,Angels one inch wide duplicating
>master tape permits side by side tracking to achieve optimum stero
>"image",wider frequency and dynamic range,and maximum clarity.
>Sophisticated duplicating master is prepared directly from the digital
>master,with no intervening steps.to assure optimum quality, all cassetes
>are monitered during manufacture by highly sensitive electronic scanning
>devices. XDR cassettes are recorded on tape produced by Capitol Magnetic
>products Division,incorporating latest advancements in magnetic
>oxides...(notes,for best playback use type 1 E.Q "normal" or 10
>microseconds and Dolby B type noise reduction settings on your tape
>deck.XDR cassettes incorporate Dolby professional headroom Extension (HX
>PRO) -this does not require further decoding in playback....   this is
>one of the worst cassetes i have heard in my collection,and not the
>fault of the tape which is mint.awefull,unlistenable,and too bad because
>what an interesting piece! if anybody wants it for their archives let me
>know and i will send it to them at cost of shipping .i wont ever buy
>angel digital cassettes again!
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Feb 13 06:20:10 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:20:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] thanks for the encouragement
Message-ID: <4313-402C5E8A-2977@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>

thanks to everyone who encouraged me take my mint rx-303 out of
mothballs and to use it.i feel a little more connected to the room and
their great dragons and other  top of the line units.the autoreverse is
fun  to watch.  tri-tracer-its gonna be my dubbing deck.

thank you very much,
gerald



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Feb 13 08:56:16 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:56:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: BASF CE II/Ref Maxima TP II: Jay
Message-ID: <s02c9f5b.080@mroute.sunint.co.za>

You're right Jay - 

Only one way to be sure.... (great line from Aliens.....except, no
nuking going on here!!) and that's to compare the two, side by side.  So
a new BASF Reference Maxima TP II - 90 is coming your way.  Please send
me your postal address either on or off-list and I'll get it off this
weekend!!

Cheers,

Marc




>>> Jay <jay at benach.com> 02/11/04 05:28PM >>>
thanks for your replies.  i have about 12 90 min Reference Master 
cassettes.  I might be able to hunt down a few more, but are we really
sure 
that Reference Master is the same as those Reference Maxima TP II ?

who knows.....



--On Wednesday, February 11, 2004 4:56 PM +0200 Mark Hugo 
<Mhugo at sunint.co.za> wrote:

> Sorry Jay,
>
> I realise I wasn't particularly explicit when I wrote to you - the
CE
> is a respectable chrome, quiter than the Record II, and with a
better
> damped shell.  It lacks the effervescence of the Chrome Super II
which
> take more treble energy and is a very fine type type II in general.
>
> The Chrome Maxima II is a very handsome cassette, with particulalry
> upfront sound, able to take still more HF (than CS II), but well
> balanced in general.  The mechanism is very smooth (fully
see-through)
> and quiet.
>
> The Reference Maxima is an altogether different and superior order
of
> tape - somewhat lower in coercivity (needing the head current of a
> high-end deck to get the most out of it), but rewarding the
recordist
> with copies whose powerful tonality sparkles with detail.  The
mechanism
> may be the best in existence.  Be assured also that this tape will
> deliver a long life to the owner. I have several that I use as
> demonstration cassetttes and with countless cycles to their credit
still
> sound as spectacular as their first day.
>
> Recordings I have on TP II have been made on 682ZX, 480Z, Cassette
Deck
> One, CR 7 and DR 1.....and some other non-Naks.  Pioneer CT-S640S
(not
> too shabby, actually - hanging my head low here - but the dynamics
with
> Dolby S are amazing!!), Technics RS-AZ7 (very good with expectedly
fine
> bass; TASCAM 112 - a bit grainy, but on the whole good, a very
meritable
> performance - by no means a waste of a tape!! heh heh!
>
> Jay, the CEs are fine for the money, but you would find it 
worthwhile
> to hunt down some of these Ref Maxima's / Masters (as they seem to
be
> called in the USA).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Feb 13 09:32:56 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:32:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk: pre-recorded cassettes (Angel) Jerry
Message-ID: <s02ca7eb.022@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Howzit Jerry,

I nearly fell off my chair laughing at your brilliant, hilarious post
about the Khachaturian Violin Concerto pre-recorded cassette.  All that
exquisite technological hurble-flurble about the prowess with which the
mastering process is imbued - only to discover that the outcome is utter
dreck!!!!!  I don't know the work itself - it sounds interesting and I'm
a big fan of Perlman, either in classical or jazz guise.  I have quite a
lot of interesting pre-recorded cassettes too, and one thing is clear to
me.....sometimes you get an absolute winner, and sometimes the results
are quite uninspiring.  Thankfully, the latter is much less usual but
the best recorded tapes are frequently quite unexpected - i.e. they make
no special claims as to sonic performance.

Have you been gathering pre-recordeds over the years or are you
actively adding to your collection presently?  If so, what are your
favourite sources?

By the way, I think "audiotalk" is temporarily down - not sure of the
reason, but I received some kind of rejection last week when I intended
something to be read by someone on that list.....

Cheers,

Marc




>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 02/13/04 05:36AM >>>
what happened to audiotalk-only a few posts this month.isnt there
anybody who wants to talk about pre-recorded  cassettes? i have a
collection of over 200 mint prercorded cassettes. my latest find was
an
angel EMI digital recording of Khachaturian Violin Concerrto
Tchaikovsky;meditation with itzhak Perlman and the Israel Phiharmonic.
(zubin Mehta). what an interesting work!i havent seen this one around
very much.heres what the liner notes say; Angels XDR(expanded Dynamic
Range) cassettes are the result of major advances in the science of
sond
reproduction(cassette is dated 1984)....Ever stage of manufacturing
employs state of the art technology.  ,Angels one inch wide
duplicating
master tape permits side by side tracking to achieve optimum stero
"image",wider frequency and dynamic range,and maximum clarity.
Sophisticated duplicating master is prepared directly from the digital
master,with no intervening steps.to assure optimum quality, all
cassetes
are monitered during manufacture by highly sensitive electronic
scanning
devices. XDR cassettes are recorded on tape produced by Capitol
Magnetic
products Division,incorporating latest advancements in magnetic
oxides...(notes,for best playback use type 1 E.Q "normal" or 10
microseconds and Dolby B type noise reduction settings on your tape
deck.XDR cassettes incorporate Dolby professional headroom Extension
(HX
PRO) -this does not require further decoding in playback....   this is
one of the worst cassetes i have heard in my collection,and not the
fault of the tape which is mint.awefull,unlistenable,and too bad
because
what an interesting piece! if anybody wants it for their archives let
me
know and i will send it to them at cost of shipping .i wont ever buy
angel digital cassettes again!

thank you very much,
gerald

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Feb 13 12:46:32 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:46:32 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <004101c3f227$08ec0e00$f1064f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
on the can i have it say:-
many uses.
light lubricant
rust protector
penetrating oil
releasing agent
electrical insulator
damp starter
light degreaser.
trouble is is doesnt make toast
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Fri Feb 13 14:00:31 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:00:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
Message-ID: <s02c842e.068@mail.anderson.edu>

Philip,
 
You ARE in the real world, and cannot escape its consequences.  WD40 is almost the worst thing to spray into potentiometers.  They will be gummed up badly in 9 months to a year, and have to be replaced in a year and a half to two years.  It will take more contact cleaner to clean them out now than if you would have cleaned them properly to begin with.  Just a reminder to all of us on the list; there is no such thing as a dumb question.  You could have saved yourself much grief if you would have asked if using WD40 was a good or bad idea, before using it.  I only wish WD40 would make a disclaimer that it should NOT be used on potentiometers.  But then again, they may own stock in a number of companies that make potentiometers.  
 
I'd recommend CAIG Laboratories DeoxIT D5 spray to clean the WD40 and other contaminants out of the pot(entiometer).  Follow up with PreservIT P5, or if you really want to get aggressive, use ProGold G5.  The "5" in all these products stands for 5% solution.  They also have 100, which means 100% solution.  Since this has not been sitting and collecting crud for a long time, the 5% solutions should be fine.  
 
You were wise not to get any WD40 on any rubber or plastic parts.  Don't think there should be any problem with the PC (printed circuit) boards either.  
 
A little over 30 years ago, there was quite a "cult" following in the audio field for Cramolin, which was the early name for CAIG Labs products.  Since then, there have been many large companies use their products to keep electrical/electronic equipment operating longer because of less signal flow problems.  
 
Yes, you are in the REAL world!  You can run, but you can't hide!  I'm not sure if there are replacement pots available, and if they are, how much they are.  Good luck!
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth
 
P.S.  I don't own stock in CAIG Labs, not even sure if they are publicly traded.  Just been very satisfied with the results of usage of their products.


>>> phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk 02/12/04 06:26PM >>>
i am in the real world wd40 is fine

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx-300e


> The rubber idlers are so cheap why would you want to
> bother resurfacing it.  Just replace it, it will last
> longer between servicing.
>
> WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  No where on the can does it
> say it's a lubricant.  It stops squeaks (but doesn't
> necessarily lubricate), displaces moisture, cleans and
> protects.
>
> The WD in WD-40 stands are Water Displace and that's
> what it was developed to do.
>
> And apparently it is ok to injest in small quantities.
>  The cans says, "USDA APPROVED for food processing
> facilities."  Don't try this at home.
>
> Spraying that stuff into to a pot (slider) is the
> worst place to use the stuff.  As the petroleum
> distillates evaporate it leaves a nasty film that is
> notorious for getting gooey and attracting dust.  A
> contact cleaner should have been used, especially one
> containing a few percent of cramolin oil.
>
> Scott J.
>
> --- p r <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > hi
> > just got a 300e working again and thought you may be
> > interested:-
> > the idler needed the surface hardness removing....
> > ff\rew non existant.
> > and is now fine may not need changing as often as
> > reported, and the sliders where making horendous
> > noise wd40 sorted -ok i know lots of contributors
> > will complain about using wd40 but i reckon its fine
> > for this purpose,as long as kept away from rubber
> > bits and pieces.
> > phill
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 13 19:04:49 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:04:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk: pre-recorded cassettes (Angel) Jerry
References: <s02ca7eb.022@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <003101c3f25b$dfe94ba0$16773242@CopyTech>

Gerald:

As a tape duplicator myself for almost 10 years, I can only say that I have
never bought a pre-recorded cassette in my life because they were simply
crap. Not so with the latest generation when the HX PRO was introduced for
commercial duplication and the best advancement was the Digital Bin.
Unfortunately, these kind of improvements arrived too late when the cassette
was fading away.

Prior to the digital bin, the master was recorded using a master maker open
reel tape deck, usually Studer or Otari at 3 3/4 speed on a 1/2" or 1" tape.
Lot of noise was introduced at the masters. Then, the masters were run on
this bin loop where the tape ran for many hours until the heads were dirty
or the splicing tape fall off. The pancakes, usually 14,000 ' , ran
simultaneously on the slaves. IN the old days, the speed was 32:1.

When I started, the equipment was much better and with excellent results:
the master maker now incorporates dolby and an extended frequency board
specially for those masters made at 3 3/4" ips eliminating floor noise and
increasing the freq. response. Amazing difference. Then came the DolbyHX PRO
for the slaves and that was much better. The duplication speed increased to
80:1 and even 128:1 with the digital bins. Now, no more master tape was
needed: just a computer with a hard disk where you download up to 10
different masters ready for duplication. NO master tape means no master
degradation.

And the rest is history. The best systems were Electrosound from the US but
for me Lyrec from Denmark was the best and one of the most populars. Tape
loaders were very important and for over 25 years King was number one until
Concept Design form North Carolina took over. Then came the double pancake
loaders and etc ... Expensive machines but very precise. I changed my Kings
790 for the CD 9000. Much better ...

Then, the tapes were printed: offset or pad printing. The offset was much
better and the prefered one was Apex from Florida and Roldex from California
as the clear winners printing up to 100 pieces per minute double sided. The
printing plates were made from a print out art in a black room.

The packaging was more delicate: this machine took the insert and cassette,
put it inside the norelco boxes and closed it. Very, very expensive and
difficult to run. Usually this process was done by hand if you could afford
it.

Last, but no least, came the over-wrapping with Scandia as the clear winner
from New Jersey or Marden Edwards from England. Big reliable monsters that
run for ever, almost mechanically. UP to 100 wraps per minute ... That is
really fast.

That's roughly the process. Many tape and norelco boxes were lost in each
run and the profits, by 1995, was almost none.

Then came the CD, but that's another story ...

Carlos





angel EMI digital recording of Khachaturian Violin Concerrto
> Tchaikovsky;meditation with itzhak Perlman and the Israel Phiharmonic.
> (zubin Mehta). what an interesting work!i havent seen this one around
> very much.heres what the liner notes say; Angels XDR(expanded Dynamic
> Range) cassettes are the result of major advances in the science of
> sond
> reproduction(cassette is dated 1984)....Ever stage of manufacturing
> employs state of the art technology.  ,Angels one inch wide
> duplicating
> master tape permits side by side tracking to achieve optimum stero
> "image",wider frequency and dynamic range,and maximum clarity.
> Sophisticated duplicating master is prepared directly from the digital
> master,with no intervening steps.to assure optimum quality, all
> cassetes
> are monitered during manufacture by highly sensitive electronic
> scanning
> devices. XDR cassettes are recorded on tape produced by Capitol
> Magnetic
> products Division,incorporating latest advancements in magnetic
> oxides...(notes,for best playback use type 1 E.Q "normal" or 10
> microseconds and Dolby B type noise reduction settings on your tape
> deck.XDR cassettes incorporate Dolby professional headroom Extension
> (HX
> PRO) -this does not require further decoding in playback....   this is
> one of the worst cassetes i have heard in my collection,and not the
> fault of the tape which is mint.awefull,unlistenable,and too bad
> because
> what an interesting piece! if anybody wants it for their archives let
> me
> know and i will send it to them at cost of shipping .i wont ever buy
> angel digital cassettes again!
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 13 15:47:01 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:47:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk: pre-recorded cassettes (Angel) Jerry
Message-ID: <BAY2-F173yztG3C2GJU0003c22c@hotmail.com>

Now that Tower Records is headed to the trash bin of history.....on a recent 
trip to the "branch" store at 66th Street & Broadway I came upon a small 
table with a huge sign......SALE......any four 3.99.............of course it 
was referring to audio cassettes........maybe I counted 50 pieces 
total....although there may have been more before I happened on that 
table..........point is I can remember when Russ Soloman brought his company 
to NYC..........no CDs.......and walls full of cassettes!!!..........plenty 
of Audiophile labels too........like  the name "In-Sync" before it was 
bastardized by a group of boys......... remember the RCA .5 series of 
re-mastered half speeds?

The list is endless.....all carried by Tower.....and the 
Lps..........!!!!!!!!!

Sorry things turned out as they did Mr. Soloman......your operation was 
indeed loved and coveted by many.

Neil Lipes


>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <jerryjg at webtv.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] audiotalk: pre-recorded cassettes (Angel) Jerry
>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:32:56 +0200
>
>Howzit Jerry,
>
>I nearly fell off my chair laughing at your brilliant, hilarious post
>about the Khachaturian Violin Concerto pre-recorded cassette.  All that
>exquisite technological hurble-flurble about the prowess with which the
>mastering process is imbued - only to discover that the outcome is utter
>dreck!!!!!  I don't know the work itself - it sounds interesting and I'm
>a big fan of Perlman, either in classical or jazz guise.  I have quite a
>lot of interesting pre-recorded cassettes too, and one thing is clear to
>me.....sometimes you get an absolute winner, and sometimes the results
>are quite uninspiring.  Thankfully, the latter is much less usual but
>the best recorded tapes are frequently quite unexpected - i.e. they make
>no special claims as to sonic performance.
>
>Have you been gathering pre-recordeds over the years or are you
>actively adding to your collection presently?  If so, what are your
>favourite sources?
>
>By the way, I think "audiotalk" is temporarily down - not sure of the
>reason, but I received some kind of rejection last week when I intended
>something to be read by someone on that list.....
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc
>
>
>
>
> >>> jerryjg at webtv.net 02/13/04 05:36AM >>>
>what happened to audiotalk-only a few posts this month.isnt there
>anybody who wants to talk about pre-recorded  cassettes? i have a
>collection of over 200 mint prercorded cassettes. my latest find was
>an
>angel EMI digital recording of Khachaturian Violin Concerrto
>Tchaikovsky;meditation with itzhak Perlman and the Israel Phiharmonic.
>(zubin Mehta). what an interesting work!i havent seen this one around
>very much.heres what the liner notes say; Angels XDR(expanded Dynamic
>Range) cassettes are the result of major advances in the science of
>sond
>reproduction(cassette is dated 1984)....Ever stage of manufacturing
>employs state of the art technology.  ,Angels one inch wide
>duplicating
>master tape permits side by side tracking to achieve optimum stero
>"image",wider frequency and dynamic range,and maximum clarity.
>Sophisticated duplicating master is prepared directly from the digital
>master,with no intervening steps.to assure optimum quality, all
>cassetes
>are monitered during manufacture by highly sensitive electronic
>scanning
>devices. XDR cassettes are recorded on tape produced by Capitol
>Magnetic
>products Division,incorporating latest advancements in magnetic
>oxides...(notes,for best playback use type 1 E.Q "normal" or 10
>microseconds and Dolby B type noise reduction settings on your tape
>deck.XDR cassettes incorporate Dolby professional headroom Extension
>(HX
>PRO) -this does not require further decoding in playback....   this is
>one of the worst cassetes i have heard in my collection,and not the
>fault of the tape which is mint.awefull,unlistenable,and too bad
>because
>what an interesting piece! if anybody wants it for their archives let
>me
>know and i will send it to them at cost of shipping .i wont ever buy
>angel digital cassettes again!
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Fri Feb 13 16:08:50 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:08:50 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
References: <200402121949.TAA13244@amb.org>
Message-ID: <000801c3f243$49b78380$1c1d0cd0@r7g1f8>

Ti Kan-

Thanks for that very complete explanation!  I appreciate it.

Randall in Seattle
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Cc: <ra.ah at rcn.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving to PC


> Babin/Greseth writes:
> > Is only when recording from vinyl to hard drive that you need a preamp
due
> > to the low  signal output put of a turntable?  Or does a NAK have a
preamp
> > in it???  Or both??
>
> To answer this, the concept of "preamp" has to be clarified and
> compared to the relative signal levels involved in the audio
> amplification chain.
>
> In a typical audio preamp, there are two amplification stages:
>
> 1. For turtable phono (MM) input, this stage has an RIAA equalization
>    frequency response curve (bass boost and treble cut) to complement
>    the recording.  It has approximately 40dB of gain (about 100x) at 1KHz.
>    This amplifies the output of a MM cartridge from nominal 1.5mV to
>    about 150mV which is on par with the "line out" levels of CD players,
>    tape decks, tuners, etc.
>
>    For low output MC cartridges, a pre-preamp or step-up transformer
>    is employed prior to the phono MM input to boost the level up to
>    par with those of MM cartridges.  Some preamps' phono amp stage
>    has switchable gain for MM or MC cartridges.
>
> 2. The output of the phono stage, as well as the inputs from the tape
>    deck, tuner, CD player, etc., are selected by the "Selector" switch
>    on the preamp, then controlled by a volume control potentiometer,
>    and then fed into second "line" stage amplifier that provides an
>    additional 20dB (10x) of gain.  This brings the signal level
>    up to a nominal 1.5V which is the "pre-out" level appropriate
>    for connection to the input of a power amplifier.
>
> And then there is more amplification in the power amp:
>
> 3. The power amplifier has an additional amount of gain, typically
>    around 25dB to 30dB (approximately 26x to 30x) to get the level
>    high enough to drive the speakers.
>
> These "nominal" voltage values are not typical listening levels, but
> a level that's considered to be a reference level for full output (read
> "pretty darn loud").
>
> The computer sound card's "line input" typically has an input sensitivity
> that is appropriate for direct connection from a CD player, tape deck,
> or tuner, but not appropriate for a MM or MC phono cartridge (not to
> mention that it doesn't have the required RIAA equalization curve).
> Thus, a separate phono stage (or the phono stage within a preamp) is
> required for connection from a turntable.
>
> Whatever you connect to the "line" input of your computer's sound card,
> you control the volume using the software mixer's "line" and "master"
> volume controls.
>
> If you connect the output (the "pre-out") of an audio preamp into the
> line input of the sound card, you will need to set the volume control
> on the preamp typically to about halfway, so that it won't overload
> the sound card's input and cause clipping.
>
> The Nakamichi tape decks, or most other cassette decks for that matter
> does not contain a "preamp" in it in the classic sense, but it provides
> enough amplification internally to bring the tape head's output level
> to the "line" level.
>
> Hope this answers your questions.
>
> -Ti
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From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr  Fri Feb 13 19:50:32 2004
From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (ymj.lombard)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:50:32 +0100
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600
Message-ID: <001601c3f262$425ffe90$2752fa51@lombard>

Carlos and Kannan,
I'd like to make you feel better about my search.
I have already a 670ZX - 3 head as you know. I recently fixed it with the
wonderful help from Tom and it's working and sounding fine.

The 600 is a piece I'm missing for my System One. I already have 610, 620
and 630. So I'd like to complement the set. I know the 600 isn't as good as
other Naks. That's the reason why in 80 I bought the 670 instead of the 600.

If you wish it's a kind of collector wish, but I'm still trying to find one
in working conditions.

Thank's for your warning and advices. I really appreciate.
Regards
Yves


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600


> Yves:
>
> I'm with Kannan here. Most of the 600 series I have seen at e.bay are not
in
> good condition. I use to have one 600 II and sold it for peanuts. You
know,
> it is one of those models that were not that popular. The advantage is
that
> it is cheap as the 1000 and 700 Tri Tracers. But, for the money and under
> 100.00. choose a 582 or 480. Anyway, the belts and parts still available
...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600
>
>
> > Hi I am curious why you are looking only for 600 model while there are
> plenty of other models ( generally I would suggest three head later models
> due entirely due to vailablity of spare parts - they record much better
than
> probably 600 series?)
> > kannan
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> >
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> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >
> > Hello,
> > I'm trying to buy a 600 or 600 II cassette deck.=20
> > I've been on eBay several times, but I couldn't find one for sale in =
> > Europe; and the few on sale in the US are only shippable in north =
> > america.
> > Does anyone has one for sale and shippable to France?
> > It has to have a black front panel in good looking condition.
> > Thank's for any answer
> > Regards=20
> > Yves
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> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thank's for any =
> > answer</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
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From mwhipple at charter.net  Fri Feb 13 20:36:12 2004
From: mwhipple at charter.net (mwhipple at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:36:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
Message-ID: <200402131936.i1DJaCqV040033@mxsf21.cluster1.charter.net>

Ditto.  Thank you very much!

Matt

> 
> From: "Babin/Greseth" <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
> Date: 2004/02/13 Fri AM 10:08:50 EST
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Archiving to PC
> 
> Ti Kan-
> 
> Thanks for that very complete explanation!  I appreciate it.
> 
> Randall in Seattle




From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb 14 00:56:19 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:56:19 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600
References: <001601c3f262$425ffe90$2752fa51@lombard>
Message-ID: <000e01c3f28c$fa9d4560$18773242@CopyTech>

If that is the case, go ahead. That machine is actually selling cheap at
e.bay but be careful. Try to get one in pristine conditions.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ymj.lombard" <ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:50 AM
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600


> Carlos and Kannan,
> I'd like to make you feel better about my search.
> I have already a 670ZX - 3 head as you know. I recently fixed it with the
> wonderful help from Tom and it's working and sounding fine.
>
> The 600 is a piece I'm missing for my System One. I already have 610, 620
> and 630. So I'd like to complement the set. I know the 600 isn't as good
as
> other Naks. That's the reason why in 80 I bought the 670 instead of the
600.
>
> If you wish it's a kind of collector wish, but I'm still trying to find
one
> in working conditions.
>
> Thank's for your warning and advices. I really appreciate.
> Regards
> Yves
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600
>
>
> > Yves:
> >
> > I'm with Kannan here. Most of the 600 series I have seen at e.bay are
not
> in
> > good condition. I use to have one 600 II and sold it for peanuts. You
> know,
> > it is one of those models that were not that popular. The advantage is
> that
> > it is cheap as the 1000 and 700 Tri Tracers. But, for the money and
under
> > 100.00. choose a 582 or 480. Anyway, the belts and parts still available
> ...
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600
> >
> >
> > > Hi I am curious why you are looking only for 600 model while there are
> > plenty of other models ( generally I would suggest three head later
models
> > due entirely due to vailablity of spare parts - they record much better
> than
> > probably 600 series?)
> > > kannan
> > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C3F1B4.6745C9A0"
> > >
> > >
> > > ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C3F1B4.6745C9A0
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > I'm trying to buy a 600 or 600 II cassette deck.=20
> > > I've been on eBay several times, but I couldn't find one for sale in =
> > > Europe; and the few on sale in the US are only shippable in north =
> > > america.
> > > Does anyone has one for sale and shippable to France?
> > > It has to have a black front panel in good looking condition.
> > > Thank's for any answer
> > > Regards=20
> > > Yves
> > > ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C3F1B4.6745C9A0
> > > Content-Type: text/html;
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > >
> > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> > > <HTML><HEAD>
> > > <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> > > charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> > > <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
> > > <STYLE></STYLE>
> > > </HEAD>
> > > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I'm trying to&nbsp;buy a
600
> =
> > > or 600 II=20
> > > cassette deck. </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I've been on eBay several =
> > > times, but I=20
> > > couldn't find one for sale in Europe; and the few on sale in the US
are
> =
> > > only=20
> > > shippable in north america.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Does anyone has one for
sale
> =
> > > and=20
> > > shippable to France?</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>It has to have a black
front
> =
> > > panel in=20
> > > good looking condition.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thank's for any =
> > > answer</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
> > > size=3D2>Yves</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
>
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From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Fri Feb 13 21:11:14 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:11:14 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f1b5$96ae8460$9a6b893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCCEJICCAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

Thanks to everyone offering advice, even with the reservations about parts
etc a Nakamichi deck still appears something worth having a listen to. Just
have to see what turns up in the near future I suppose.

Regards
Doug.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Nelson
Sent: 12 February 2004 22:15
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Advice regarding Naks.


Doug

Be aware that a lot of the guys in this "club" have considerable engineering
ability to keep their Nak's going.  (I'm not one of them!)  And even then,
they still have problems getting spares for their beloved machines when they
break ... because the spares are no longer manufactured and, if they exist
at all, they are premium priced because of their rarity or else already
installed in another machine that would have to be cannibalised to get the
part.  In other words, going into Nak's at this stage is a labour of love
.... and financial risk.

Having said that, once you've heard an "on song" Nak' make a recording and
play it back you'll know what all the fuss is about!   Even the modest 2
head decks will out perform most other old makes with three heads.

Even so, some do argue that some of the ReVox cassette machines are the
equal (some argue the better) of most Nakamichi decks.  I'm not about to
offer a view on this except to say the ReVox machines are damned good and
highly reliable if regularly serviced.  Their advantage is that spare parts
are still readily available, although I'd expect them to go the same way as
Nakamichi eventually, as digital recording equipment slowly replaces all
those ReVox machines used by airports, the Police, recording and radio
stations, etc..

Graham  (also in the UK)




From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Fri Feb 13 21:42:59 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:42:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <s02cf094.091@mail.anderson.edu>

Phillip,
 
If it really says electrical insulator on the can, there is going to be "trouble in River City".  Sounds like it will be making toast out of the pots.  You don't want to restrict conductivity, you want to enhance conductivity.  Sounds like it won't take as long as I thought to cause sound degradation.  Didn't remember this aspect of WD40, no wonder I don't have any near my equipment.  Still should be able to flush that stuff out if you don't wait too much longer.  Hope you catch it in time.
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth


>>> phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk 02/13/04 06:46AM >>>

hi
on the can i have it say:-
many uses.
light lubricant
rust protector
penetrating oil
releasing agent
electrical insulator
damp starter
light degreaser.
trouble is is doesnt make toast
p

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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 22:15:06 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:15:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <004101c3f227$08ec0e00$f1064f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <20040213211506.51199.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com>

light lubricant?  My can doesn't say lubricant.  Must
be a UK thing.  They probably got sued here in the US
for saying lubricant when it isn't and they took it
off.

electrical insulator?  Again my can doesn't say that,
and what does that mean?  Is that a good thing or a
bad thing.

damp starter?  What's that?

You're right it doesn't make toast, but, my can says
it turns perfectly good tape decks into heaps of
garbage... Ok, so I added that one myself.



--- p r <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> hi
> on the can i have it say:-
> many uses.
> light lubricant
> rust protector
> penetrating oil
> releasing agent
> electrical insulator
> damp starter
> light degreaser.
> trouble is is doesnt make toast
> p
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From altonrex at io.com  Fri Feb 13 23:44:15 2004
From: altonrex at io.com (Alton Rex)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:44:15 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] NAK model 350 Cassette
Message-ID: <NFBBJAHFNIFEBECGLOLNKELJDCAA.altonrex@io.com>

I am seeking a 12vdc line transformer with a 4 pin DIN connector for my used
NAK. If anyone has one for sale or knows of an after-market substitute for
the factory part #AD-550 U, I'd sure like to hear from you.

Thanks!
`alton
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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 14 00:31:55 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:31:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3A counter question.
Message-ID: <20040213233155.897.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com>

Just recieved my Nak CR-3A cassette deck today and i
have a question about the counter,when you fast
forward a 90 Minute tape all the way to the end the
counter only reads 2300 instead of 4500 for 45 minutes
which all my other non-nak decks do.Is this normal and
why and what does this mean?Why would it read 2300 for
a 45 minute per side tape?Thanks for any help,Keith H.

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Feb 14 03:49:40 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:49:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casstes mastering processes
Message-ID: <10791-402D8CC4-1713@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

Thank you the greatest Carlito(El Magnifico) for the very thourough and
comprehensive run down on cassettes.I Just Got A Album .Its a Radio
Shack Stereo demonstration record.here are the production notes; 1) The
master o this album was played back pon this swiss made A80 studer
machine.The First heaD,LOCATED BEFORE THE HEAD WHICH FEEDS THE
CONSOLE,SCANS THE RECORDED INFORMATION FOR LOUD OR SOFT PASSEGES IN THE
MUSIC.tHIS INFORMATION PROGRAMS the computer on the cutting lathe to
allow proper spacing of the grooves.The Studer tape Machine Is a
Precision Instrument Capable of Handling Tapr Gently at any of the
Currently used Speeds.it is Built with the precsion of a Swiss watch. 2)
>From the neve Console,the Finally Adjusted Sound is Transferred to the
Master Discon this German Made Neumann Cutting Lathe,which is Legendary
For Flawless and Dependable Service . The Particular Nemann  is Also
Equipped With a SX-74 Cutting Head and a Video Groove-Scanning
System.The Groove Impression being Made by the small Video Camera
Mounted  Abve the Turntable and is Monitered on the screen...3)The
Second of the Two Playback heads on the Machine Feeds the Neve
Console,which is the Quintessence of Anything Available Today.It Has
Been Custom Built to Capitol Specifications by the English Based Firmand
Specifically designed for Disc MasteringThe High quality workmanship in
This Piece of Equiment has resulted in Extremly Low Ditortion and Noise.
As it is being Fed Through This ConsoleDuring the Tape to Disc
Transfer,the Sound is Adjusted and Modified as Desired  )The heart of
The Entie Process (this is) the Point where the First Dsc Impression is
made...The Job of This (pictured o album) Cutting Head is to Trasfer
Perfectly the Electrical Information into Mechanical Movement Which is
Engraved onto the Master Disc b means f a Small Sapphire Cutting Stylus.
well-hopr this is f interest to you,i havent heard he album yet,but i
would guess it does sound extroardinaly good.

thank you very much,
gerald




From mskidmore at alamedanet.net  Sat Feb 14 04:16:05 2004
From: mskidmore at alamedanet.net (Michael Skidmore)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:16:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a TD-800 user manual
Message-ID: <a05200f07bc53419c0045@[12.155.176.231]>

Hi, brand new here...

I picked up a TD-800 freshly serviced from a fellow Deadhead taping 
friend in San Diego, Neil Sturtevant who formerly worked at Directed 
Electronics, the A/D/S only factory authorized service place.  I'm 
installing it in my 944 along with a eclipse Cd head unit and would 
like to read a user manual to see the install diagrams (and I like 
knowing all the details.) I don't really need a service manual but 
willing to pick one up if any are out there.

Looked through last few months of archives and didn't find a link nor 
phone number but did see a reference to a guy in CA who scans manuals 
for cash. Please email if you read this.

Great resource you guys maintain here, I have a Nak DR-3 home player 
and CDC-3A CD player at home as well, so I guess I'm a naker as well.
-- 
_________________________________________________________
Michael O. Skidmore
Alameda CA				C:(510) 205-1719


AIM: MchlSkidmore
_________________________________________________________


From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 14 04:25:02 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:25:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Having problem with my new CR-3A,Help!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <20040214032502.8467.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com>

Got my new/used but in perfect cosmetic condition Nak
CR-3A cassette deck today i bought off ebay,problem is
when i play or record the deck goes into stop mode
about 1/2 way through the tape,could this be a tape
problem like the tape being to tight because it seems
to do it only with my newer TDK SA and SA-X tapes and
it seems to run fine with any of my Maxell's or is it
a deck problem that will probably start doing this
with any tape eventually?Thanks for any help anyone
can give me..Keith H.  

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb 14 22:07:28 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:07:28 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casstes mastering processes
References: <10791-402D8CC4-1713@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c3f33e$8de28360$0a773242@CopyTech>

Neumann has been the standard mastering console and the only analogue one
that has been specially designed for cutting discs. The Neve DTC, digital
mastering console is a thing of the past. It is an old 16 bit transfer
console of the early 90's. The Studer A-80 is the standard for master
playback along with the Ampex. The cutting computer was common in the last
days of the LP's during the 80's. The Neumann cutting lathe was kind of
standard but for me the Ortofon was the clear winner. Scully was the other
big player in this field... and bla, bla, bla... All this shit was useless
if the mastering engineer cutting the disc was a mediocre one. Stan Ricker
use to be one of the best. The very best,unfortunately, were never given
credit for. In those years of the 60's and 70's the mastering was taken by
granted until Doug Sax of The Mastering Lab in Hollywood, CA had enough
balls to establish the first freelance mastering house in the US. Bernie
Grundman use to work for A&M records until people start realizing how good
his sound was and opened his own business with a partner on the Sunset
Blvd.; Hollywood. In New York, Sterling Sound was one of the first from
where Bob Ludwig, Greg Calbi, Ted Jensen and other good ones came out from.
Masterdisk, is one of the most famous and etc ...

Carlos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:49 PM
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casstes mastering processes


> Thank you the greatest Carlito(El Magnifico) for the very thourough and
> comprehensive run down on cassettes.I Just Got A Album .Its a Radio
> Shack Stereo demonstration record.here are the production notes; 1) The
> master o this album was played back pon this swiss made A80 studer
> machine.The First heaD,LOCATED BEFORE THE HEAD WHICH FEEDS THE
> CONSOLE,SCANS THE RECORDED INFORMATION FOR LOUD OR SOFT PASSEGES IN THE
> MUSIC.tHIS INFORMATION PROGRAMS the computer on the cutting lathe to
> allow proper spacing of the grooves.The Studer tape Machine Is a
> Precision Instrument Capable of Handling Tapr Gently at any of the
> Currently used Speeds.it is Built with the precsion of a Swiss watch. 2)
> >From the neve Console,the Finally Adjusted Sound is Transferred to the
> Master Discon this German Made Neumann Cutting Lathe,which is Legendary
> For Flawless and Dependable Service . The Particular Nemann  is Also
> Equipped With a SX-74 Cutting Head and a Video Groove-Scanning
> System.The Groove Impression being Made by the small Video Camera
> Mounted  Abve the Turntable and is Monitered on the screen...3)The
> Second of the Two Playback heads on the Machine Feeds the Neve
> Console,which is the Quintessence of Anything Available Today.It Has
> Been Custom Built to Capitol Specifications by the English Based Firmand
> Specifically designed for Disc MasteringThe High quality workmanship in
> This Piece of Equiment has resulted in Extremly Low Ditortion and Noise.
> As it is being Fed Through This ConsoleDuring the Tape to Disc
> Transfer,the Sound is Adjusted and Modified as Desired  )The heart of
> The Entie Process (this is) the Point where the First Dsc Impression is
> made...The Job of This (pictured o album) Cutting Head is to Trasfer
> Perfectly the Electrical Information into Mechanical Movement Which is
> Engraved onto the Master Disc b means f a Small Sapphire Cutting Stylus.
> well-hopr this is f interest to you,i havent heard he album yet,but i
> would guess it does sound extroardinaly good.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
>
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From hisself at ol-jim.com  Sun Feb 15 00:57:21 2004
From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:57:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
In-Reply-To: <20040212231855.19211.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <002101c3f1b6$ff8b3180$76e94f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <402E6F91.30614.142309B9@localhost>

 WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  No where on the can does it
> say it's a lubricant.  It stops squeaks (but doesn't
> necessarily lubricate), displaces moisture, cleans and
> protects.  
> 
> The WD in WD-40 stands are Water Displace and that's
> what it was developed to do.

FWIW- years ago, NASA sent WD-40 to their materials lab for analysis and testing. At 
that time, WD-40 consisted of kerosene and perfume in a spray can!

Not a lubricant, just plain old kerosene - good for fueling jet engines.

Ol' Jim, hisself

hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com



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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Sun Feb 15 01:54:19 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:54:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Having problem with my new CR-3A,Help!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <s02e7cf5.038@mail.anderson.edu>

Keith,

If those SA and SA-X tapes are sonically welded, instead of the 5-screw assembly, then they could be the culprits.  I had some problems with 90's and some 60's in the 1999-2000 time frame, when TDK first changed to the sonically welded shells.  Theoretically, this should make a stiffer shell so the tape path should be more stable.  If everything is not perfectly aligned, then there will be binding of the tape flow.  With the 5-screw assembly, the shell could be tweaked by grabbing each end of the shell with each hand and slightly twisting in opposite directions (clockwise with the right hand and counter-clockwise with the left hand, then doing the opposite) until you hear a faint "snap".  You don't want to twist too hard and hear a loud "snap"; that would mean the shell piece(s) cracked (not a good thing to do).  The sonically welded shells do not lend themselves to this kind of fix.  Another technique is to smack the cassette down on a flat surface, being sure to keep the face of the cassette flat (parallel to the counter).  Again, you don't want to do this too hard, or something will break, which again, is not a good idea.  Some SA and MA tapes, of more recent manufacture, I purchased in late 2001 or early 2002, seem to have improved on this problem, as they have not jammed or bind enough to cause increased wow & flutter.  Hope this helps on this question.

In answer to your previous question concerning the 4500 tape counter reading of non-Nak decks for a 90 minute cassette, as opposed to the 2300 counter reading for your CR-3A:  this is normal.  At least that's the case for the digital readouts.  The mechanical readouts for my 550 & 680ZX are around 760-770.  Don't remember the model number of the TEAC deck from 1979 or 1980, but its mechanical counter was almost identical to the 550.  That was quite a surprise to me, as it was possible to have a 10-15 count difference for 90 minute cassette within the same model of any manufacturer back in the 1970's and early 1980's.  Not sure how the manufacturers decided on how to track the counter increment for tape flow.  On equipment made specifically for industrial audio/visual use, the count was incremented one for every two revolutions of the supply spindle, which is a really coarse reading for the beginning of the tape.  A lot of tape passes the record/play head(s) for two revolutions of a full pancake on the supply side.  At the end of the tape, on the supply side, not much tape passes the heads for two revolutions of the supply spindle.  The digital counters, reading higher numbers than the mechanical counters, makes it easier to (re-)locate specific places on a tape, plus they don't have the slippage of drive belts involved with the mechanical counters.  Not to worry, your CR-3A is reading out just like the rest of the Nakamichi digital readouts!

Enjoy the music!

Kent Merideth

>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 02/13/04 10:25PM >>>
Got my new/used but in perfect cosmetic condition Nak
CR-3A cassette deck today i bought off ebay,problem is
when i play or record the deck goes into stop mode
about ½ way through the tape,could this be a tape
problem like the tape being to tight because it seems
to do it only with my newer TDK SA and SA-X tapes and
it seems to run fine with any of my Maxell's or is it
a deck problem that will probably start doing this
with any tape eventually?Thanks for any help anyone
can give me..Keith H.  

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Feb 15 03:25:17 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:25:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] casette mastering processes
Message-ID: <29659-402ED88D-1695@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

unbelievable carlos, you are a living compendium of recording
history.will you consent for your head to be cryogenically freeze dried
for posterity? or at least write a book about the history of recording
for future audiophiles.amazing and thanks

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Feb 15 03:44:21 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:44:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] some new prerecorded cassettes
Message-ID: <29661-402EDD05-1225@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

hi went to the thrift stores today and did o.k           i found one
mint tdk ma-110 metal tape that has been rcorded on once,and 5 mint
sealed classical tapes.one tape,a radio shack audiophile recording was
mediocre.  the other four were ampex classical tapes.the first ampex
tape i lstened to was tchaikovsky serenade for strings in d minor, and
also e-major-it was good but not great. The next tape was one of the
best organ music tapes ihave ever heard.The Bach Fuque in D Minor was
tremendous.Organist Eberhardt Krauss.but it still doesnt match the one i
recentl found- Phillips Fugue in d minor by Daniel Chorzempa atthe organ
of our ladys church ,Breda. Havent heard the other two yet.

thank you very much,
gerald



From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 15 08:24:32 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:24:32 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] bx-300e
References: <002101c3f1b6$ff8b3180$76e94f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
	<402E6F91.30614.142309B9@localhost>
Message-ID: <000b01c3f394$c234dea0$2e773242@CopyTech>

Heu Old Jim:

That's exactly how it is smell !!!!! When I visited Revox at Elm Hill Pike
in Nashville, TN, I found that all the technicians had a can of WD 40. I
asked why they use it for and they answered: just for cleaning. Exactly:
that's what I used it for: cleaning the metal cabinets of the audio
components. Nothing better than that old formula for get rid off the dirt
and old tape gum.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" <hisself at ol-jim.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx-300e


> WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT.  No where on the can does it
> > say it's a lubricant.  It stops squeaks (but doesn't
> > necessarily lubricate), displaces moisture, cleans and
> > protects.
> >
> > The WD in WD-40 stands are Water Displace and that's
> > what it was developed to do.
>
> FWIW- years ago, NASA sent WD-40 to their materials lab for analysis and
testing. At
> that time, WD-40 consisted of kerosene and perfume in a spray can!
>
> Not a lubricant, just plain old kerosene - good for fueling jet engines.
>
> Ol' Jim, hisself
>
> hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com
>
>
>
> Gun Control is life insurance for those Government Officials scheming to
steal the
> rest of your Bill of Rights.
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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 15 04:23:39 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:23:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Remote control for CR-3A cassette deck?
Message-ID: <20040215032339.92183.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com>

What kind of Remote Control does the Nak CR-3A
cassette deck have and does anyone know where i can
find one? I bought a used CR-3A off ebay but i did'nt
get a remote with it.Thanks for any help anyone can
give me..Keith H. 

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 15 08:35:08 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:35:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] casette mastering processes
References: <29659-402ED88D-1695@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c3f396$3d43bfc0$2e773242@CopyTech>

Ha,ha,ha !!!!!!!! You have my day. I enjoy this page so much ... I have made
friends from all around the world: Gra from England, Bleus from Madison, Ron
from the skirts of Bose, Nick from Russia, Marc from South Africa and the
rest of the gang ... it is amazing ... I was just talking to my wife Carolyn
about how many  friends that I have never seen from around the globe I
have... it is become like a family. I know Gra and Bleus for over 3 years
now as if I have been together with them since high school.

Amazing .... Excuse me: I'm gonna drink a shot of Royal Salute for all of
you !!! Cheers !!!!

Carlos
The Tape Man
aka El Magnifico

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:25 PM
Subject: [naktalk] casette mastering processes


> unbelievable carlos, you are a living compendium of recording
> history.will you consent for your head to be cryogenically freeze dried
> for posterity? or at least write a book about the history of recording
> for future audiophiles.amazing and thanks
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 15 08:35:59 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:35:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] some new prerecorded cassettes
References: <29661-402EDD05-1225@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <002301c3f396$5b8d0b80$2e773242@CopyTech>

You are a lucky man. !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:44 PM
Subject: [naktalk] some new prerecorded cassettes


> hi went to the thrift stores today and did o.k           i found one
> mint tdk ma-110 metal tape that has been rcorded on once,and 5 mint
> sealed classical tapes.one tape,a radio shack audiophile recording was
> mediocre.  the other four were ampex classical tapes.the first ampex
> tape i lstened to was tchaikovsky serenade for strings in d minor, and
> also e-major-it was good but not great. The next tape was one of the
> best organ music tapes ihave ever heard.The Bach Fuque in D Minor was
> tremendous.Organist Eberhardt Krauss.but it still doesnt match the one i
> recentl found- Phillips Fugue in d minor by Daniel Chorzempa atthe organ
> of our ladys church ,Breda. Havent heard the other two yet.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 15 08:41:25 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:41:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Up Date
References: <000601c3e517$d9451e60$210fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>
Message-ID: <002a01c3f397$1e58c050$2e773242@CopyTech>

Fred Moss
Karl-Heinz Herrmann
Gary Beyer

Your funds has been received and your sets are en-route.

Thanks,

Carlos
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Sun Feb 15 04:41:54 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:41:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Remote control for CR-3A cassette deck?
Message-ID: <s02ea443.092@mail.anderson.edu>

Keith,

The CR-3A uses wired remotes, which I think are models RM-5 and RM-200.  There is also an add on wireless (transmitter and receiver) combination, but has gone for more than $150.00, for the cheapest one I remember on eBay.  Can't recall the exact model number of that unit, but think it is RM-580.  Perhaps some of the others on the list will remember.

Enjoy the music!

Kent Merideth

>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 02/14/04 10:23PM >>>
What kind of Remote Control does the Nak CR-3A
cassette deck have and does anyone know where i can
find one? I bought a used CR-3A off ebay but i did'nt
get a remote with it.Thanks for any help anyone can
give me..Keith H. 

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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Feb 15 05:51:44 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:51:44 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] So Many Years.....
Message-ID: <001601c3f37f$695a5630$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Carlos, its been more than 3 years, more like almost 5 years since we first were introduced.  Do you remember the scene back then?  Its like just yesterday, we started a bit turbulently, I challenged your wisdom, and you kicked my ass.  It was quite a splash when I arrived on NakTalk.  After an energetic verbal duel, which we agreed to peacefully truce, then we became friends and started the NakTree (see emails below from June 1999).  Nice that Wouter archived most (but not all, esp missing the Apr/May 1999 postings) of the classic oldie NakTalk digests, just for rememberances like ours, eh?  So many years ago, and still we're at it as aging collectors with Nak decks and occasional NakTalking.  What ever became of the NakFest in Puerto Rico ideas?  Just a distant memory now :-}} 

Cheers,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Message: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:35:08 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] casette mastering processes
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3f396$3d43bfc0$2e773242 at CopyTech>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Ha,ha,ha !!!!!!!! You have my day. I enjoy this page so much ... I have made
friends from all around the world: Gra from England, Bleus from Madison, Ron
from the skirts of Bose, Nick from Russia, Marc from South Africa and the
rest of the gang ... it is amazing ... I was just talking to my wife Carolyn
about how many  friends that I have never seen from around the globe I
have... it is become like a family. I know Gra and Bleus for over 3 years
now as if I have been together with them since high school.

Amazing .... Excuse me: I'm gonna drink a shot of Royal Salute for all of
you !!! Cheers !!!!

Carlos
The Tape Man
aka El Magnifico

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

[NakTalk] NakYakker of the month....\
The BlueSwapper blueswapper at angelfire.com 
Mon Jan 31 17:59:41 CET 2000 
Since its the last day of January 2000, I thought we should lean on the lighter side of life, and start a NakYakker  <like smile, grin, laugh, stitch-in-the-side kind of reation>  of the month award.  Here's my nomination...

Would you believe that there is now a new breed of Nak Dragon in existence?  Nak Dragon III??  For sale to the highest bidder???  Have a look at this hilarious ebay advert:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=249906292

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

NAKAMICHI! Worlds #1 Rated Cassette Deck! Nakamichi Dragon DR-3! Mint perfect condition.
Reason for selling is no room on the rack. Fully loaded with all the Nakamichi bells & whistles serious audiophiles are used to. Twin Head MPX, Dolby, Microprocessor control, Digital display panel, Silent touch controls. Etc etc etc.... Really is a very nice unit. It bothers me to part with it, But I would rather see it put to use then collect dust. Originally retailed over 1500.00$ Low reserve. 

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Ho, Ho, Ho!!! (I'm sure the Tape Man will agree!!!)  To think that some novice is wetting his pants bidding over this pseudo-deck has got me rolling on the floor!  Only on ebay can you find such entertainment.  

Look out for your fledgling Nak friends, and encourage them to consult the Unofficial Nakamichi Website before committing themselves to claws of phantom dragons.  This has been a public service announcement from the studio desk of Mr Blues....

---
Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

     


----- Original Message -----
From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <copytec at coqui.net>
Cc: <naktalk at mail.geocities.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Cassette Tree


Carlos!  I'm interested in getting a Nak recorded cassette tape tree
going.  I'm an avid blues music collector.  I've got a bunch of '60s blues,
several of which could be a source (vinyl & compact disc).  I'm particularly
into British Blues (Mayall, The Cream, Blind Faith), and Chicago-style Blues
(Little Walter, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Buddy Guy).  If you (or anyone
else) wants to correspond about getting some music sharing going, I'm up for
that!  Contact me directly if you're interested.........
>> Ahh ! just what I was looking for! I'm anxious to start one since in Puerto
Rico we already have begun. I'll contact you direct for details but it would
be nice if other members of this list become interested.
No matter what music genre you prefer, it will be real nice. Perhaps we can
fix an international net. What do you think about "The Nak Tree" as a name?

>> Thanks!!!

>> Carlos
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:46:25   Carlos wrote:
>
> Hello Nak Lovers:
>
> I'm wondering : is there're any cassette tree group or "music" club in
this list to share cassettes around ? If not, I'm interested to start one.
After all, doesn't make sense to have all these machines here taking dust in
a corner. We can exchange all kind of genres specifying the deck we recorded
in, dolby type (if used) and the music of course. Any ideas? Comments?
>
> Carlos
> Puerto Rico
>
>
 


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb 15 12:49:20 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:49:20 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3f396$3d43bfc0$2e773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000201c3f3b9$bf66f1c0$de7b893e@oemcomputer>

High school .... I remember!  You were the guy who used to sniff WD40 behind
the bike sheds ...

Grinham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 15 February 2004 07:35
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] casette mastering processes
>
>
> Ha,ha,ha !!!!!!!! You have my day. I enjoy this page so much ...
> I have made
> friends from all around the world: Gra from England, Bleus from
> Madison, Ron
> from the skirts of Bose, Nick from Russia, Marc from South Africa and the
> rest of the gang ... it is amazing ... I was just talking to my
> wife Carolyn
> about how many  friends that I have never seen from around the globe I
> have... it is become like a family. I know Gra and Bleus for over 3 years
> now as if I have been together with them since high school.
>
> Amazing .... Excuse me: I'm gonna drink a shot of Royal Salute for all of
> you !!! Cheers !!!!
>
> Carlos
> The Tape Man
> aka El Magnifico
>
>
>
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From FabFourFan at nme.com  Sat Feb 14 03:49:15 2004
From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:49:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Nak 600
In-Reply-To: <00d701c3f1ac$05bb5d60$2f52fb51@lombard>
References: <00d701c3f1ac$05bb5d60$2f52fb51@lombard>
Message-ID: <ru2r205t49fer64678o672hihijcd712rv@4ax.com>

Yves,

I have a black 600II (US) which runs slow IIRC but looks fine.
If this will work for you (I mean fit into your plans) just let me know.
I have the original box and would be pleased to help it find a good
home!  Shipping to France should be no problem.

Mike Patrick
Phila PA USA


On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:06:02 +0100, you wrote:

>Hello,
>I'm trying to buy a 600 or 600 II cassette deck. 
>I've been on eBay several times, but I couldn't find one for sale in Europe; and the few on sale in the US are only shippable in north america.
>Does anyone has one for sale and shippable to France?
>It has to have a black front panel in good looking condition.
>Thank's for any answer
>Regards 
>Yves





From guckux at gmx.de  Sun Feb 15 13:17:14 2004
From: guckux at gmx.de (Stefan)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:17:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] New Owner of Nakamichi 582
Message-ID: <402F634A.9090003@gmx.de>

Guckux

A good friend was giving up the cassette technology... and found with me 
a happy new Nakamichi owner - a dream of 20years get reality! ;-)

So I own a Nakamichi 582, not in perfect state, sometimes one ligt of 
the VU-meters is dark, and sometimes one VU didn't work properly...

Doesn't matter, it is running with a good sound so far. But missing the 
manual I have a few questions:

- Has anyone the manual in electronic form for me?
- What are SX, EX and ZX tape types?

Thanks for your answers!


From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Feb 15 14:29:36 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:29:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] New Owner of Nakamichi 582
In-Reply-To: <402F634A.9090003@gmx.de>
References: <402F634A.9090003@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <402F7440.4030408@rcn.com>

Stefan wrote:
> Guckux
> 
> A good friend was giving up the cassette technology... and found with me 
> a happy new Nakamichi owner - a dream of 20years get reality! ;-)
> 
> So I own a Nakamichi 582, not in perfect state, sometimes one ligt of 
> the VU-meters is dark, and sometimes one VU didn't work properly...
> 
> Doesn't matter, it is running with a good sound so far. But missing the 
> manual I have a few questions:
> 
> - Has anyone the manual in electronic form for me?
> - What are SX, EX and ZX tape types?
> 
> Thanks for your answers!

Wouter has the 582 users manual on his site. Ask him for
permission to download. The file is over 4MB. If you can
accept files of this size, I can also email it to you.

EX is type I tape: ferric, such as TDK D
SX is type II tape: CrO2, such as TDK SA.
ZX is type IV tape, Metal, such as TDK MA.

-- Ron






From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Feb 15 16:30:56 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:30:56 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: So Many Years.....
Message-ID: <002501c3f3d8$b50b2d80$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Carlos, its been more than 3 years, more like almost 5 years since we first
were introduced.  Do you remember the scene back then?  Its like just
yesterday; we started a bit turbulently, I challenged your wisdom, and you
kicked my ass.  It was quite a splash when I arrived on NakTalk.  After an
energetic verbal duel, which we agreed to peacefully truce, we then became
friends and started the NakTree (see emails below from June 1999).  Nice
that Wouter archived most (but not all, esp missing the Apr/May 1999
postings) of the classic oldie NakTalk digests, just for rememberances like
ours, eh?  So many years ago, and still we're at it as aging collectors with
Nak decks and the occasional NakTalking.  What ever became of the NakFest in
Puerto Rico ideas?  Just a distant memory now, for some of us :-}}

Cheers,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Message: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:35:08 -0800
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] casette mastering processes
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3f396$3d43bfc0$2e773242 at CopyTech>
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Ha,ha,ha !!!!!!!! You have my day. I enjoy this page so much ... I have made
friends from all around the world: Gra from England, Bleus from Madison, Ron
from the skirts of Bose, Nick from Russia, Marc from South Africa and the
rest of the gang ... it is amazing ... I was just talking to my wife Carolyn
about how many  friends that I have never seen from around the globe I
have... it is become like a family. I know Gra and Bleus for over 3 years
now as if I have been together with them since high school.

Amazing .... Excuse me: I'm gonna drink a shot of Royal Salute for all of
you !!! Cheers !!!!

Carlos
The Tape Man
aka El Magnifico

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

[NakTalk] NakYakker of the month....\
The BlueSwapper blueswapper at angelfire.com
Mon Jan 31 17:59:41 CET 2000
Since its the last day of January 2000, I thought we should lean on the
lighter side of life, and start a NakYakker  <like smile, grin, laugh,
stitch-in-the-side kind of reation>  of the month award.  Here's my
nomination...

Would you believe that there is now a new breed of Nak Dragon in existence?
Nak Dragon III??  For sale to the highest bidder???  Have a look at this
hilarious ebay advert:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=249906292

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

NAKAMICHI! Worlds #1 Rated Cassette Deck! Nakamichi Dragon DR-3! Mint
perfect condition.
Reason for selling is no room on the rack. Fully loaded with all the
Nakamichi bells & whistles serious audiophiles are used to. Twin Head MPX,
Dolby, Microprocessor control, Digital display panel, Silent touch controls.
Etc etc etc.... Really is a very nice unit. It bothers me to part with it,
But I would rather see it put to use then collect dust. Originally retailed
over 1500.00$ Low reserve.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Ho, Ho, Ho!!! (I'm sure the Tape Man will agree!!!)  To think that some
novice is wetting his pants bidding over this pseudo-deck has got me rolling
on the floor!  Only on ebay can you find such entertainment.

Look out for your fledgling Nak friends, and encourage them to consult the
Unofficial Nakamichi Website before committing themselves to claws of
phantom dragons.  This has been a public service announcement from the
studio desk of Mr Blues....

---
Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


----- Original Message -----
From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <copytec at coqui.net>
Cc: <naktalk at mail.geocities.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Cassette Tree


Carlos!  I'm interested in getting a Nak recorded cassette tape tree
going.  I'm an avid blues music collector.  I've got a bunch of '60s blues,
several of which could be a source (vinyl & compact disc).  I'm particularly
into British Blues (Mayall, The Cream, Blind Faith), and Chicago-style Blues
(Little Walter, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Buddy Guy).  If you (or anyone
else) wants to correspond about getting some music sharing going, I'm up for
that!  Contact me directly if you're interested.........

>> Ahh ! just what I was looking for! I'm anxious to start one since in
Puerto
Rico we already have begun. I'll contact you direct for details but it would
be nice if other members of this list become interested.
No matter what music genre you prefer, it will be real nice. Perhaps we can
fix an international net. What do you think about "The Nak Tree" as a name?

>> Thanks!!!

>> Carlos
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:46:25   Carlos wrote:
>
> Hello Nak Lovers:
>
> I'm wondering : is there're any cassette tree group or "music" club in
this list to share cassettes around ? If not, I'm interested to start one.
After all, doesn't make sense to have all these machines here taking dust in
a corner. We can exchange all kind of genres specifying the deck we recorded
in, dolby type (if used) and the music of course. Any ideas? Comments?
>
> Carlos
> Puerto Rico
>
>




From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 15 23:18:06 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:18:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] So Many Years.....
References: <001601c3f37f$695a5630$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <002701c3f411$970367b0$16773242@CopyTech>

Jesus ! Time goes by faster than you expected. Yeah, I remember our turbulent introduction, ha, ha, ha !!!! You misunderstanded me and I reply a little violent but look how everything turned out. I still wear from time to time my Nakamichi T - Shirt and listen to the Cream tape ... ahhh! so much memories. Remember the pest RRRaaaayyymond ? Ha ! All of us has fade away for a while and then come back again. We have lost a couple of good contributors from back then too but we have gain new ones.

NakFest in Puerto Rico ? Well, just visit www.revox.net and you'll see what bunch of fanatics are capable of ... They rented a room in a hotel and exhibited their gear, but best of all: they do a kind of convention every year and you have to see their collection. It is simply amazing. All the members take their systems with them for exhibition !!! Wow ! It is just impressive. I contacted the man there but maybe he doesn't speak English and I don't speak German !

We have to do something like that, not the whole collection, but at least with our best models or so ... It could be excellent. We can plan that and definetely make an "on side" recording of the next Marathon Tape or so.

What ever happened with the guys up in California ? Are they gonna do the reunion ?

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: Magnifico 
  Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 8:51 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] So Many Years.....


  Carlos, its been more than 3 years, more like almost 5 years since we first were introduced.  Do you remember the scene back then?  Its like just yesterday, we started a bit turbulently, I challenged your wisdom, and you kicked my ass.  It was quite a splash when I arrived on NakTalk.  After an energetic verbal duel, which we agreed to peacefully truce, then we became friends and started the NakTree (see emails below from June 1999).  Nice that Wouter archived most (but not all, esp missing the Apr/May 1999 postings) of the classic oldie NakTalk digests, just for rememberances like ours, eh?  So many years ago, and still we're at it as aging collectors with Nak decks and occasional NakTalking.  What ever became of the NakFest in Puerto Rico ideas?  Just a distant memory now :-}} 

  Cheers,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA
  kjbleus at charter.net

  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

  Message: 8
  Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:35:08 -0800
  From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] casette mastering processes
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Message-ID: <001d01c3f396$3d43bfc0$2e773242 at CopyTech>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  Ha,ha,ha !!!!!!!! You have my day. I enjoy this page so much ... I have made
  friends from all around the world: Gra from England, Bleus from Madison, Ron
  from the skirts of Bose, Nick from Russia, Marc from South Africa and the
  rest of the gang ... it is amazing ... I was just talking to my wife Carolyn
  about how many  friends that I have never seen from around the globe I
  have... it is become like a family. I know Gra and Bleus for over 3 years
  now as if I have been together with them since high school.

  Amazing .... Excuse me: I'm gonna drink a shot of Royal Salute for all of
  you !!! Cheers !!!!

  Carlos
  The Tape Man
  aka El Magnifico

  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

  [NakTalk] NakYakker of the month....\
  The BlueSwapper blueswapper at angelfire.com 
  Mon Jan 31 17:59:41 CET 2000 
  Since its the last day of January 2000, I thought we should lean on the lighter side of life, and start a NakYakker  <like smile, grin, laugh, stitch-in-the-side kind of reation>  of the month award.  Here's my nomination...

  Would you believe that there is now a new breed of Nak Dragon in existence?  Nak Dragon III??  For sale to the highest bidder???  Have a look at this hilarious ebay advert:

  http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=249906292

  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

  NAKAMICHI! Worlds #1 Rated Cassette Deck! Nakamichi Dragon DR-3! Mint perfect condition.
  Reason for selling is no room on the rack. Fully loaded with all the Nakamichi bells & whistles serious audiophiles are used to. Twin Head MPX, Dolby, Microprocessor control, Digital display panel, Silent touch controls. Etc etc etc.... Really is a very nice unit. It bothers me to part with it, But I would rather see it put to use then collect dust. Originally retailed over 1500.00$ Low reserve. 

  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

  Ho, Ho, Ho!!! (I'm sure the Tape Man will agree!!!)  To think that some novice is wetting his pants bidding over this pseudo-deck has got me rolling on the floor!  Only on ebay can you find such entertainment.  

  Look out for your fledgling Nak friends, and encourage them to consult the Unofficial Nakamichi Website before committing themselves to claws of phantom dragons.  This has been a public service announcement from the studio desk of Mr Blues....

  ---
  Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
  http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

       


----- Original Message -----
From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <copytec at coqui.net>
Cc: <naktalk at mail.geocities.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Cassette Tree


Carlos!  I'm interested in getting a Nak recorded cassette tape tree
going.  I'm an avid blues music collector.  I've got a bunch of '60s blues,
several of which could be a source (vinyl & compact disc).  I'm particularly
into British Blues (Mayall, The Cream, Blind Faith), and Chicago-style Blues
(Little Walter, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Buddy Guy).  If you (or anyone
else) wants to correspond about getting some music sharing going, I'm up for
that!  Contact me directly if you're interested.........
>> Ahh ! just what I was looking for! I'm anxious to start one since in Puerto
Rico we already have begun. I'll contact you direct for details but it would
be nice if other members of this list become interested.
No matter what music genre you prefer, it will be real nice. Perhaps we can
fix an international net. What do you think about "The Nak Tree" as a name?

>> Thanks!!!

>> Carlos
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:46:25   Carlos wrote:
>
> Hello Nak Lovers:
>
> I'm wondering : is there're any cassette tree group or "music" club in
this list to share cassettes around ? If not, I'm interested to start one.
After all, doesn't make sense to have all these machines here taking dust in
a corner. We can exchange all kind of genres specifying the deck we recorded
in, dolby type (if used) and the music of course. Any ideas? Comments?
>
> Carlos
> Puerto Rico
>
>
 





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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 15 23:22:06 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:22:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes
References: <000201c3f3b9$bf66f1c0$de7b893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004901c3f412$25a07fd0$16773242@CopyTech>

Gra':

In PR they use to sniff shoemaker's glue inside a paper bag !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:49 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes


> High school .... I remember!  You were the guy who used to sniff WD40
behind
> the bike sheds ...
>
> Grinham
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > Sent: 15 February 2004 07:35
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] casette mastering processes
> >
> >
> > Ha,ha,ha !!!!!!!! You have my day. I enjoy this page so much ...
> > I have made
> > friends from all around the world: Gra from England, Bleus from
> > Madison, Ron
> > from the skirts of Bose, Nick from Russia, Marc from South Africa and
the
> > rest of the gang ... it is amazing ... I was just talking to my
> > wife Carolyn
> > about how many  friends that I have never seen from around the globe I
> > have... it is become like a family. I know Gra and Bleus for over 3
years
> > now as if I have been together with them since high school.
> >
> > Amazing .... Excuse me: I'm gonna drink a shot of Royal Salute for all
of
> > you !!! Cheers !!!!
> >
> > Carlos
> > The Tape Man
> > aka El Magnifico
> >
> >
> >
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb 15 19:48:28 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:48:28 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes
In-Reply-To: <004901c3f412$25a07fd0$16773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000c01c3f3f4$4cf4fe80$c971893e@oemcomputer>

Much the same here!  Only, when I was at school it was more like Aspirin and
Coca Cola or, if you knew someone who knew someone, a shared joint of Mary
Jane ... not that I have personal experience of these thing, of course...
(nose a little longer) ... Those days I got high listening to Bridge Over
Troubled Water, Focus Pocus or some piece by J S Bach playing back through
the headphones from my first cassette machine ....  Music (and radio) has
been my primary relaxant ever since

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 15 February 2004 22:22
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes
>
>
> Gra':
>
> In PR they use to sniff shoemaker's glue inside a paper bag !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes
>
>
> > High school .... I remember!  You were the guy who used to sniff WD40
> behind
> > the bike sheds ...
> >
> > Grinham
> >
>
>
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb 15 19:48:25 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:48:25 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] So Many Years.....
In-Reply-To: <002701c3f411$970367b0$16773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000701c3f3f4$4b38f6a0$c971893e@oemcomputer>

There's a memory .... "RRRaaaayyymond" - I scared him off with my virtual
Colombian mafia friends!  Never realised the power of suggestion was quite
so strong ...

Grinham
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of El Magnifico
  Sent: 15 February 2004 22:18
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] So Many Years.....


  Jesus ! Time goes by faster than you expected. Yeah, I remember our
turbulent introduction, ha, ha, ha !!!! You misunderstanded me and I reply a
little violent but look how everything turned out. I still wear from time to
time my Nakamichi T - Shirt and listen to the Cream tape ... ahhh! so much
memories. Remember the pest RRRaaaayyymond ? Ha ! All of us has fade away
for a while and then come back again. We have lost a couple of good
contributors from back then too but we have gain new ones.

  NakFest in Puerto Rico ? Well, just visit www.revox.net and you'll see
what bunch of fanatics are capable of ... They rented a room in a hotel and
exhibited their gear, but best of all: they do a kind of convention every
year and you have to see their collection. It is simply amazing. All the
members take their systems with them for exhibition !!! Wow ! It is just
impressive. I contacted the man there but maybe he doesn't speak English and
I don't speak German !

  We have to do something like that, not the whole collection, but at least
with our best models or so ... It could be excellent. We can plan that and
definetely make an "on side" recording of the next Marathon Tape or so.

  What ever happened with the guys up in California ? Are they gonna do the
reunion ?

  Carlos
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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Sat Feb 14 08:15:09 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:15:09 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
References: <BAY2-F41Ywlib4g3Sv000000142@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301c3f2ca$48c45d90$888ee2c3@fredporter>

At least CD has brought some consistency!

----- Original Message -----
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:12 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] audiotalk


> Their Lp's were nothing to write home about either!
>
>
> >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
> >Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:36:19 -0600 (CST)
> >
> >what happened to audiotalk-only a few posts this month.isnt there
> >anybody who wants to talk about pre-recorded  cassettes? i have a
> >collection of over 200 mint prercorded cassettes. my latest find was an
> >angel EMI digital recording of Khachaturian Violin Concerrto
> >Tchaikovsky;meditation with itzhak Perlman and the Israel Phiharmonic.
> >(zubin Mehta). what an interesting work!i havent seen this one around
> >very much.heres what the liner notes say; Angels XDR(expanded Dynamic
> >Range) cassettes are the result of major advances in the science of sond
> >reproduction(cassette is dated 1984)....Ever stage of manufacturing
> >employs state of the art technology.  ,Angels one inch wide duplicating
> >master tape permits side by side tracking to achieve optimum stero
> >"image",wider frequency and dynamic range,and maximum clarity.
> >Sophisticated duplicating master is prepared directly from the digital
> >master,with no intervening steps.to assure optimum quality, all cassetes
> >are monitered during manufacture by highly sensitive electronic scanning
> >devices. XDR cassettes are recorded on tape produced by Capitol Magnetic
> >products Division,incorporating latest advancements in magnetic
> >oxides...(notes,for best playback use type 1 E.Q "normal" or 10
> >microseconds and Dolby B type noise reduction settings on your tape
> >deck.XDR cassettes incorporate Dolby professional headroom Extension (HX
> >PRO) -this does not require further decoding in playback....   this is
> >one of the worst cassetes i have heard in my collection,and not the
> >fault of the tape which is mint.awefull,unlistenable,and too bad because
> >what an interesting piece! if anybody wants it for their archives let me
> >know and i will send it to them at cost of shipping .i wont ever buy
> >angel digital cassettes again!
> >
> >thank you very much,
> >gerald
> >
>
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Feb 15 20:28:44 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:28:44 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
References: <BAY2-F41Ywlib4g3Sv000000142@hotmail.com>
	<002301c3f2ca$48c45d90$888ee2c3@fredporter>
Message-ID: <000701c3f3f9$ed6ce990$df1d4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

how true


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sinclair Forrest" <thsinclair at localdial.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] audiotalk


> At least CD has brought some consistency!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] audiotalk
>
>
> > Their Lp's were nothing to write home about either!
> >
> >
> > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
> > >Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:36:19 -0600 (CST)
> > >
> > >what happened to audiotalk-only a few posts this month.isnt there
> > >anybody who wants to talk about pre-recorded  cassettes? i have a
> > >collection of over 200 mint prercorded cassettes. my latest find was an
> > >angel EMI digital recording of Khachaturian Violin Concerrto
> > >Tchaikovsky;meditation with itzhak Perlman and the Israel Phiharmonic.
> > >(zubin Mehta). what an interesting work!i havent seen this one around
> > >very much.heres what the liner notes say; Angels XDR(expanded Dynamic
> > >Range) cassettes are the result of major advances in the science of
sond
> > >reproduction(cassette is dated 1984)....Ever stage of manufacturing
> > >employs state of the art technology.  ,Angels one inch wide duplicating
> > >master tape permits side by side tracking to achieve optimum stero
> > >"image",wider frequency and dynamic range,and maximum clarity.
> > >Sophisticated duplicating master is prepared directly from the digital
> > >master,with no intervening steps.to assure optimum quality, all
cassetes
> > >are monitered during manufacture by highly sensitive electronic
scanning
> > >devices. XDR cassettes are recorded on tape produced by Capitol
Magnetic
> > >products Division,incorporating latest advancements in magnetic
> > >oxides...(notes,for best playback use type 1 E.Q "normal" or 10
> > >microseconds and Dolby B type noise reduction settings on your tape
> > >deck.XDR cassettes incorporate Dolby professional headroom Extension
(HX
> > >PRO) -this does not require further decoding in playback....   this is
> > >one of the worst cassetes i have heard in my collection,and not the
> > >fault of the tape which is mint.awefull,unlistenable,and too bad
because
> > >what an interesting piece! if anybody wants it for their archives let
me
> > >know and i will send it to them at cost of shipping .i wont ever buy
> > >angel digital cassettes again!
> > >
> > >thank you very much,
> > >gerald
> > >
> >
>
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> >
>
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> > >Maintain your account here:
http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >
>
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> >
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> > Plan your next US getaway to one of the super destinations here.
> > http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx
> >
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb 15 20:46:18 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:46:18 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
In-Reply-To: <002301c3f2ca$48c45d90$888ee2c3@fredporter>
Message-ID: <000001c3f3fc$616ac040$bdc987d9@oemcomputer>

Not in the work of engineers, though - they can still produce lousy CDs as
some of them did LPs or cassettes ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Sinclair Forrest
> Sent: 14 February 2004 07:15
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] audiotalk
>
>
> At least CD has brought some consistency!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] audiotalk
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> > Their Lp's were nothing to write home about either!
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From richard.simpson at airways.co.nz  Sun Feb 15 21:05:28 2004
From: richard.simpson at airways.co.nz (Simpson, Richard)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:05:28 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Having problem with my new CR-3A,Help!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <04Feb15.210550nzdt.326436@netgate.airways.co.nz>

I was having a similar problem on my DR-3 which would stop during
recording.  This was 'fixed' by fast forwarding and rewinding the tape
beforehand.  I was recording onto new that had been in storage for quite
a long time.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 14 February 2004 4:25 p.m.
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Having problem with my new CR-3A,Help!!!!!!!

Got my new/used but in perfect cosmetic condition Nak
CR-3A cassette deck today i bought off ebay,problem is
when i play or record the deck goes into stop mode
about 1/2 way through the tape,could this be a tape
problem like the tape being to tight because it seems
to do it only with my newer TDK SA and SA-X tapes and
it seems to run fine with any of my Maxell's or is it
a deck problem that will probably start doing this
with any tape eventually?Thanks for any help anyone
can give me..Keith H.  

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb 16 01:37:39 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:37:39 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] So Many Years.....
References: <000701c3f3f4$4b38f6a0$c971893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001601c3f425$1596d680$92773242@CopyTech>

I remember that, Gra', very well ... Ha !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gimli 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:48 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] So Many Years.....


  There's a memory .... "RRRaaaayyymond" - I scared him off with my virtual Colombian mafia friends!  Never realised the power of suggestion was quite so strong ... 

  Grinham
    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico
    Sent: 15 February 2004 22:18
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] So Many Years.....


    Jesus ! Time goes by faster than you expected. Yeah, I remember our turbulent introduction, ha, ha, ha !!!! You misunderstanded me and I reply a little violent but look how everything turned out. I still wear from time to time my Nakamichi T - Shirt and listen to the Cream tape ... ahhh! so much memories. Remember the pest RRRaaaayyymond ? Ha ! All of us has fade away for a while and then come back again. We have lost a couple of good contributors from back then too but we have gain new ones.

    NakFest in Puerto Rico ? Well, just visit www.revox.net and you'll see what bunch of fanatics are capable of ... They rented a room in a hotel and exhibited their gear, but best of all: they do a kind of convention every year and you have to see their collection. It is simply amazing. All the members take their systems with them for exhibition !!! Wow ! It is just impressive. I contacted the man there but maybe he doesn't speak English and I don't speak German !

    We have to do something like that, not the whole collection, but at least with our best models or so ... It could be excellent. We can plan that and definetely make an "on side" recording of the next Marathon Tape or so.

    What ever happened with the guys up in California ? Are they gonna do the reunion ?

    Carlos


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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb 16 01:41:19 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:41:19 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
References: <000001c3f3fc$616ac040$bdc987d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002201c3f425$98247800$92773242@CopyTech>

Amazingly worst... Most of the CD's coming out today has all their possible
bits squashed down by those digital compressor/limiters and normalizers. It
is very rare now to find something worth listening too. The pressure from
the producers and the volume competition is something real. Red Hot Chili
Peppers Californication and the last 2 records from Santana are a vivid
example of  how bad a CD can sound .

Carlos

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From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] audiotalk


> Not in the work of engineers, though - they can still produce lousy CDs as
> some of them did LPs or cassettes ...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Sinclair Forrest
> > Sent: 14 February 2004 07:15
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] audiotalk
> >
> >
> > At least CD has brought some consistency!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:12 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] audiotalk
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> >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 21:50:17 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:50:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes
Message-ID: <BAY2-F65trOONEIdO8D00044649@hotmail.com>

As William Jefferson Clinton said....I did not inhale!


>From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes
>Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:48:28 -0000
>
>Much the same here!  Only, when I was at school it was more like Aspirin 
>and
>Coca Cola or, if you knew someone who knew someone, a shared joint of Mary
>Jane ... not that I have personal experience of these thing, of course...
>(nose a little longer) ... Those days I got high listening to Bridge Over
>Troubled Water, Focus Pocus or some piece by J S Bach playing back through
>the headphones from my first cassette machine ....  Music (and radio) has
>been my primary relaxant ever since
>
>Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > Sent: 15 February 2004 22:22
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes
> >
> >
> > Gra':
> >
> > In PR they use to sniff shoemaker's glue inside a paper bag !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:49 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] cassette mastering processes
> >
> >
> > > High school .... I remember!  You were the guy who used to sniff WD40
> > behind
> > > the bike sheds ...
> > >
> > > Grinham
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From ti at amb.org  Sun Feb 15 22:19:47 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:19:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] So Many Years.....
In-Reply-To: <002701c3f411$970367b0$16773242@CopyTech> from "El Magnifico" at
	Feb 15, 2004 02:18:06 PM
Message-ID: <200402152119.VAA19643@amb.org>

El Magnifico writes:
> What ever happened with the guys up in California ? Are they gonna do =
> the reunion ?

The San Francisco bay area meet is on!  We have been exchanging emails
privately discussing date/time/venue, etc.  It's set for March 13.
Many of us are bringing Nak and other equipment to the meet.  We are
still trying to figure out an agenda, but maybe we could do something
like a "Marathon Tape West".

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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Feb 16 00:14:57 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:14:57 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f3fc$616ac040$bdc987d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000001c3f419$86edd880$08924c51@oemcomputer>

This is the GeoDisc I was talking about earlier - seems it;s been out of
production but been re-released.
http://store.securehosting.com/stores/sh204131/shophome.php?itemprcd=geodisc

Gra'

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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Sat Feb 14 08:20:43 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:20:43 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk: pre-recorded cassettes (Angel) Jerry
References: <s02ca7eb.022@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <002e01c3f2cb$0fd424b0$888ee2c3@fredporter>

Over here in Jersey, Channel Islands, the only source of pre-recorded ones
are second-hand ones from a Music and Video Exchange outlet, but they don't
seem to get many in these days.  I have had some absolute bargains from
there over the years, such as a Decca tape of Bruckner's 9th conducted by
Mehta for £0.10p!
    I agree with you about the variability - something of a lottery, and the
tragedy is that it needn't have been if the record companies really had
taken the care the EMI notes suggest.  One of the main problems was the crap
housings they put the tape in.

Sinclair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <jerryjg at webtv.net>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] audiotalk: pre-recorded cassettes (Angel) Jerry


> Howzit Jerry,
>
> I nearly fell off my chair laughing at your brilliant, hilarious post
> about the Khachaturian Violin Concerto pre-recorded cassette.  All that
> exquisite technological hurble-flurble about the prowess with which the
> mastering process is imbued - only to discover that the outcome is utter
> dreck!!!!!  I don't know the work itself - it sounds interesting and I'm
> a big fan of Perlman, either in classical or jazz guise.  I have quite a
> lot of interesting pre-recorded cassettes too, and one thing is clear to
> me.....sometimes you get an absolute winner, and sometimes the results
> are quite uninspiring.  Thankfully, the latter is much less usual but
> the best recorded tapes are frequently quite unexpected - i.e. they make
> no special claims as to sonic performance.
>
> Have you been gathering pre-recordeds over the years or are you
> actively adding to your collection presently?  If so, what are your
> favourite sources?
>
> By the way, I think "audiotalk" is temporarily down - not sure of the
> reason, but I received some kind of rejection last week when I intended
> something to be read by someone on that list.....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
> >>> jerryjg at webtv.net 02/13/04 05:36AM >>>
> what happened to audiotalk-only a few posts this month.isnt there
> anybody who wants to talk about pre-recorded  cassettes? i have a
> collection of over 200 mint prercorded cassettes. my latest find was
> an
> angel EMI digital recording of Khachaturian Violin Concerrto
> Tchaikovsky;meditation with itzhak Perlman and the Israel Phiharmonic.
> (zubin Mehta). what an interesting work!i havent seen this one around
> very much.heres what the liner notes say; Angels XDR(expanded Dynamic
> Range) cassettes are the result of major advances in the science of
> sond
> reproduction(cassette is dated 1984)....Ever stage of manufacturing
> employs state of the art technology.  ,Angels one inch wide
> duplicating
> master tape permits side by side tracking to achieve optimum stero
> "image",wider frequency and dynamic range,and maximum clarity.
> Sophisticated duplicating master is prepared directly from the digital
> master,with no intervening steps.to assure optimum quality, all
> cassetes
> are monitered during manufacture by highly sensitive electronic
> scanning
> devices. XDR cassettes are recorded on tape produced by Capitol
> Magnetic
> products Division,incorporating latest advancements in magnetic
> oxides...(notes,for best playback use type 1 E.Q "normal" or 10
> microseconds and Dolby B type noise reduction settings on your tape
> deck.XDR cassettes incorporate Dolby professional headroom Extension
> (HX
> PRO) -this does not require further decoding in playback....   this is
> one of the worst cassetes i have heard in my collection,and not the
> fault of the tape which is mint.awefull,unlistenable,and too bad
> because
> what an interesting piece! if anybody wants it for their archives let
> me
> know and i will send it to them at cost of shipping .i wont ever buy
> angel digital cassettes again!
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Mon Feb 16 02:42:26 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:42:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] California Nakathon
Message-ID: <002201c3f42e$221636e0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Carlos,

Yes, we have identified 8 members of Naktalk in the San Francisco area that are interested in getting togethar for a Nakfest.  We are set to meet on Saturday March 13.  I am hosting this first meeting at my home in Lafayette.  I have listed the members that are planning to attend below.  If we have missed anyone that would like to attend, please let us know.

Several of the participants are bringing pieces of gear for comparison, including Naks of course, but other high end or interesting gear as well.  We have a few true experts in the group that I'm sure you will recognize as regular contributors to Naktalk from the list below.

Our agenda is anticipated to include the following:
1.  Production of a mini-marathon tape (that I'm sure we will be happy to share with other Naktalk members after we get it figured out).  This will probably include a couple of selections from each of us since there are only 8 so far. 
2.  A listening comparison of different decks using the same source tape....probably with earphones.
3.  Some just plain listening enjoyment.
4.  Some drooling over some of Jim Volpatti's high end gear.
5.  Some pot luck food and beverage.  

We should have a great time, and will report on the event afterwards.

Current list of attendees:
Mike deVera (father of the plan)
Jim Volpatti
Ti Kan
Kannan
Mathew Brody
Carl C
Faud aka Compudude
Robert Kent (host)

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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 16 04:04:40 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:04:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
Message-ID: <20040216030440.21814.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com>

Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
been having problems with the deck going into stop
mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
like there straining.So does anyone else experience
these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H. 

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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Feb 16 06:57:52 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:57:52 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
References: <3e09a4c3e08d10.3e08d103e09a4c@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <002601c3f459$7a9d4620$1d299bca@aisha>


Hi Kannan,

As we speak about rust ... I discovered that my 680z rec *and* pb heads were
almost completely covered with white + greenish icky stuff !  Last I
remembered playing that deck was only about 2-3 months ago.  After cleaning,
I noticed that the 'rust' originated from those bronze lines on pb head
parallel to tape path.  As a metallurgist can you recommend any solution to
be applied to those material (ni + cu ? or the material in between) if we
are to store it for a longer time ?  WD40 perhaps ??

The last tape played on it was either BASF or Memorex type I (I know, I
shouldn't have).  Is there any distant possibility that the tape residue
coming from specific formulation might speed up corrosion process ?  That
was the first time I witness such 'rust' happening so fast.  In fact, a
nearby 581's heads are still ok despite the same idle time & environment but
with only TDK and maxell diet.

Sorry if double sent ... my post still got rejected intermittently (orange
caps on naktalk ? =)

Best regards,
Salim SM



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Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak



Salim

Interesting titbits on leaky electrolytic caps! There can be two reasons for
it - similar to Orange Caps which came from some japanese source these would
have come from a source with probably bad process in place or QC related.
Another possiblity is Adcom designer goofed up with lower voltage Cap at the
peak voltage crossing thelimit of caps - I am not able to guess.
electrolytic can be very troublesome but I have not seen any Nak having
problem in that area.
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak

>
> Kannan,
>
> It may not be rust - although sure looks like it - but more like
> the head
> material is 'falling off'.  Well, I'm just reporting the fact ....
> coincidentally I witness them only on CR3/4s and none on other
> naks (I
> always bring small magnifying glass during that period of Nak
> hunting).Probably some production years QC problem.
>
> Another interesting tidbits: having replaced visibly leaking
> electrolyticson adcom 555ii preamp (shorting several line inputs
> and creating horrible
> crosstalk), I 'googled' adcom and found several owners complaining
> aboutpopping noise when switching sources - dc related - coming
> from same caps
> problem area ?  And this is on 90's high quality japanese sourced
> caps !
>
> Cheers,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
>
>
> Salim
> I think only in your country as well as in India, this could
> happen - being
> a basic metallurgist - tape head is made up of Ni-cu alloy quite
> corrosionresistant. Unless some of the tape cleaning solution or
> environment directly
> deposits stong acidic solutions this cannot happen. Looks more
> like acid
> rain scenerio!
> I have been watching this discussion  and my beliefs more on the
> mechanicalstuff deterioration like rubber belts/ pinch rllars and
> corrosion and grease
> hardening ( this is because of the grease is 20 year old - modern
> greasesmay not freez like them probably) than Electrolytic cap
> going bad - I have
> not seen anything like that excepting bad Indian made capacitors
> made 25 -30
> years back. Modern capacitors ( even Indian make )live much longer
> and have
> better properties. But 1000ZXL/ 700 ZXL/ZXE or 700 models which
> are more
> than 25 years old will definitely have problems due entirely to both
> mechanical and electronic.
> I have seen recent cassette Deck 1'( of Robert) which are infact
> well made
> looks fantastic inside and I have seen one Bx300 literally unused
> soundfabulous without any of these malaise as well mint ZX9
> blowing its bias osc
> / Dolby ( known Orange cap problem) !
> kannan
> PS : better use the Nak regularly rather than keep it as a
> treasure forever!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Feb 16 07:48:49 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:48:49 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL
References: <20040212080759.26205.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<002d01c3f1bb$b9c994c0$99773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <002701c3f459$7bc23e20$1d299bca@aisha>


Howdy neighbor Bala,

Welcome to the S&M world ! =)  You can order the service manual from
www.schaltungsdienst.de for a very reasonable cost.  It's about 100 pages
long and with lots of small-print and double page schematics so I think the
manual is worth getting for your zxl.  Apart from 2-3 unobtainable chips the
rest mostly consist of regular logic IC and opamps.  But be prepared for
hard work and long nights !  1000 ZXL is a pain to troubleshoot and repair,
especially if this is one of your first project ...  Like Carlos said, I've
been mostly lucky with the ZXLs.

Please contact me off list if you have more detailed question.  I'm not a
real tech - only a hardcore nakmania - but maybe some of my experience will
be beneficial.  All I can say right now is that the lamps are DC powered
(unlike 482), so part of your power supply is still working.  Non responding
control mght caused by dead play/rew etc indicator lamps.  Are you sure the
main motor / right hand capstan is not turning when you switch the deck on ?
Heavy ...

Best regards,
Salim SM / Jakarta


----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL


Hello Bala and welcome to the 1000 ZXL world. Parts and labor for this type
of machine is expensive an scarce. There's a friend in Jankarta, Salim
Marzuky, that has been lucky with one. Mine was a nightmare ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Bala Ganesh Chandra
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:07 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL


Hi everyone,

         I am new to this list, and believe me, I am thrilled! I have a
670ZX, DR10 and recently got a 1000ZXL from a friend. The first two decks
are working. The 1000 powers up but non of the indicators are working,
except the 120uS light and the bulb in the casette compartment. The motors
are not working and the controls dont respond. I am not sure what is the
problem thought I suspect it could be the power supply. This deck has been
sitting in strorage for quite some time. Does anyone know where I can get
the schematic for this deck? Grateful thanks to anyone who can help me.

Bala Ganesh
Singapore



From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Feb 16 08:07:21 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:07:21 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
References: <20040216030440.21814.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c3f45b$85ff2cc0$1d299bca@aisha>


Hi Keith,

I used to have a BX 300 with similar symptom (still has rubber idler vs CR's
gear).  It was cured by cleaning the tiny contacts inside the reel motor ...
very difficult to disassembly though !

You might want to try to spray the motor through the small opening hole from
the front side (after opening the black backplate) and push pull the shaft a
bit while turning cw/ccw.  Be careful not to make a mess of cleaner spray
inside your deck !  I guiltily admit sprayed WD 40 ... followed by contact
cleaner.  Best solution is to replace the motor altogether if this first aid
stuff failed.

Make sure deck is unplugged and spray with the deck facing upward.

Good luck !
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Hugo
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:04 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's


Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
been having problems with the deck going into stop
mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
like there straining.So does anyone else experience
these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H.

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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Sat Feb 14 08:10:03 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:10:03 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
References: <21750-402C4633-985@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c3f2c9$926cad90$888ee2c3@fredporter>

Hi Gerald

I too have a large collection of prerecorded tapes.   I found a lot of EMI
tapes to be less than satisfactory and the XDR ones did not live up to the
hype of their liner notes.  There are exceptions - I have one of Riccardo
Muti conducting Prokofiev's 'Ivan the Terrible' which is okay and Jeffrey
Tate conducting Mozart symphonies which is also very good.  But when I was
buying pre-recorded tapes regularly, I avoided EMI on the whole.  One
particular fault was pulsing on massed orchestral strings.
     Chrome tapes could be okay, but many Deutsche Gramophon ones suffer
horrible print through.  I think they used BASF stock which was rather prone
to it.  Some of the ferric oxide pre-digital ones (eg Abbado's LSO recording
of 'The Rite of Spring') sound better than their later digital remastering
on chrome tape.  Another good one is Karajan's 1977 recording of Beethoven's
'Eroica'.  DG tapes were sometimes transferred at too low a level, although
Philips were generally worse in this respect.
    Of the major players, Decca were far and away the best.  I have some
tapes which I'm sure would give CD a run for its money in an A-B comparison,
and might even sound better.
    For all their variability, though, cassettes don't suffer from the
dreaded surface noise of records and are a much better bet than CDs in harsh
environments such as cars.

Happy listening,
Sinclair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 3:36 AM
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk


> what happened to audiotalk-only a few posts this month.isnt there
> anybody who wants to talk about pre-recorded  cassettes? i have a
> collection of over 200 mint prercorded cassettes. my latest find was an
> angel EMI digital recording of Khachaturian Violin Concerrto
> Tchaikovsky;meditation with itzhak Perlman and the Israel Phiharmonic.
> (zubin Mehta). what an interesting work!i havent seen this one around
> very much.heres what the liner notes say; Angels XDR(expanded Dynamic
> Range) cassettes are the result of major advances in the science of sond
> reproduction(cassette is dated 1984)....Ever stage of manufacturing
> employs state of the art technology.  ,Angels one inch wide duplicating
> master tape permits side by side tracking to achieve optimum stero
> "image",wider frequency and dynamic range,and maximum clarity.
> Sophisticated duplicating master is prepared directly from the digital
> master,with no intervening steps.to assure optimum quality, all cassetes
> are monitered during manufacture by highly sensitive electronic scanning
> devices. XDR cassettes are recorded on tape produced by Capitol Magnetic
> products Division,incorporating latest advancements in magnetic
> oxides...(notes,for best playback use type 1 E.Q "normal" or 10
> microseconds and Dolby B type noise reduction settings on your tape
> deck.XDR cassettes incorporate Dolby professional headroom Extension (HX
> PRO) -this does not require further decoding in playback....   this is
> one of the worst cassetes i have heard in my collection,and not the
> fault of the tape which is mint.awefull,unlistenable,and too bad because
> what an interesting piece! if anybody wants it for their archives let me
> know and i will send it to them at cost of shipping .i wont ever buy
> angel digital cassettes again!
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Feb 16 10:15:47 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:15:47 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] audiotalk
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3f2c9$926cad90$888ee2c3@fredporter>
Message-ID: <000001c3f46d$76738280$618b4c51@oemcomputer>

Sinclair said:
" For all their variability, though, cassettes don't suffer from the dreaded
surface noise of records and are a much better bet than CDs in harsh
environments such as cars."

Surface noise on records:  Highly recommend a decent record cleaner as an
investment for preserving records and cleaning up old ones.  If there is
physical damage, of course, it won't stop the noise caused by that but, if
the noise is due to dirt in (or on) the grooves, a record cleaner can do
wonders.  Even then ... I have some records that, for all their popping and
clicking, I still prefer to the "spotless" CD because the latter, in some
instances, has lost the richness of the tonal qualities of the original on
LP - e.g. I've Bridge Over Troubled Water on CD and two copies on vinyl.
The CD is okay but it lacks the tonal detail of the vinyl versions and, I am
told, the depth of "sound stage".  (I can't always judge the stereo effects,
having only the one ear.)  For example ... sometimes it's difficult to tell
when one is hearing a flute, recorder or a whistle!  Or, if the guitar is
playing with metal or nylon strings.

Which reminds me ... I recently bought in a sale a couple of DDD classical
CDs.  Good conductors and soloists.  The fact that they were, for all that,
at half price should have registered a warning.  But it didn't!    Oh, they
are horrible!  Talk about harsh!  The piano sounds like it's encased in a
metal box, not a wooden one, and the violins sound like they're out of an
electronic keyboard.  That'll teach me not to listen before I buy ...

Gra'


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From ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr  Mon Feb 16 14:10:19 2004
From: ymj.lombard at wanadoo.fr (ymj.lombard)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:10:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Happy with the marathon tape
Message-ID: <000d01c3f48e$3a479910$49c23551@lombard>

Hello,
I received the CD's a couple of days ago, but wanted to listen to them before acknowledging the receipt.

What else can I say that has not been said already.
I'm very impressed by the sound quality and enthousisatic by the variety of the musics.

Thank's again to all the contributors and especially to Carlos. Great achievement!

Regards
Yves
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb 16 23:27:26 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:27:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] So Many Years.....
References: <200402152119.VAA19643@amb.org>
Message-ID: <001401c3f4dc$0f38d0b0$bc773242@CopyTech>

Please, do so ! It would be very interesting ... Good luck !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] So Many Years.....


> El Magnifico writes:
> > What ever happened with the guys up in California ? Are they gonna do =
> > the reunion ?
>
> The San Francisco bay area meet is on!  We have been exchanging emails
> privately discussing date/time/venue, etc.  It's set for March 13.
> Many of us are bringing Nak and other equipment to the meet.  We are
> still trying to figure out an agenda, but maybe we could do something
> like a "Marathon Tape West".
>
> -Ti
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb 16 23:30:13 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:30:13 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] California Nakathon
References: <002201c3f42e$221636e0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <002e01c3f4dc$728c36c0$bc773242@CopyTech>

Congratulations ! I'm sorry I'm so far away ... but I use to be in Napa for 6 months last year,so, I know it would be a nice time.

Good luck !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:42 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] California Nakathon


  Carlos,

  Yes, we have identified 8 members of Naktalk in the San Francisco area that are interested in getting togethar for a Nakfest.  We are set to meet on Saturday March 13.  I am hosting this first meeting at my home in Lafayette.  I have listed the members that are planning to attend below.  If we have missed anyone that would like to attend, please let us know.

  Several of the participants are bringing pieces of gear for comparison, including Naks of course, but other high end or interesting gear as well.  We have a few true experts in the group that I'm sure you will recognize as regular contributors to Naktalk from the list below.

  Our agenda is anticipated to include the following:
  1.  Production of a mini-marathon tape (that I'm sure we will be happy to share with other Naktalk members after we get it figured out).  This will probably include a couple of selections from each of us since there are only 8 so far. 
  2.  A listening comparison of different decks using the same source tape....probably with earphones.
  3.  Some just plain listening enjoyment.
  4.  Some drooling over some of Jim Volpatti's high end gear.
  5.  Some pot luck food and beverage.  

  We should have a great time, and will report on the event afterwards.

  Current list of attendees:
  Mike deVera (father of the plan)
  Jim Volpatti
  Ti Kan
  Kannan
  Mathew Brody
  Carl C
  Faud aka Compudude
  Robert Kent (host)

  Robert Kent



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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Feb 16 23:38:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:38:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Happy with the marathon tape
References: <000d01c3f48e$3a479910$49c23551@lombard>
Message-ID: <007501c3f4dd$8b766dd0$bc773242@CopyTech>

So, it made it alive to France, ah ? I'm very happy for that and please enjpy it ! Just be prepared for the next project in summer ...

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ymj.lombard 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 5:10 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Happy with the marathon tape


  Hello,
  I received the CD's a couple of days ago, but wanted to listen to them before acknowledging the receipt.

  What else can I say that has not been said already.
  I'm very impressed by the sound quality and enthousisatic by the variety of the musics.

  Thank's again to all the contributors and especially to Carlos. Great achievement!

  Regards
  Yves


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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 16 20:16:29 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:16:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E
Message-ID: <BAY9-F412tcJaqNzr7h0006f241@hotmail.com>

Going for 700 GBP in 3 hours on ebay UK. Who said there's no interest in 
quality cassette decks any more ?

George

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Feb 16 20:52:55 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:52:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: dragon article
Message-ID: <40311F97.6010006@xs4all.nl>

This message by Fuad was too big to send to all so i've placed the image 
on the server:

http://www.naks.com/new/retro_Dragon_article.jpg

Thanks Fuad!

Wouter

> Subject:
> dragon article
> From:
> Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
> Date:
> Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:52:36 -0500
>
> To:
> naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I am not sure if this attachment will be accepted, but a friend mailed me
>this article about the Dragon published recently in Hifi-Choice magazine.
>
>_Fuad
>  
>


From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net  Mon Feb 16 21:23:36 2004
From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:23:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] (off topic) potentiometers
Message-ID: <000a01c3f4ca$c1f1db50$aac86391@p4t533c>

Hi naktalkers,

how can i determine if  the volume potentiometer (from a nakamichi 410 Preamp) is a Logarithmisch or a Linear one. 
Is there a code for both of them?

Regards Norman
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Feb 16 21:33:06 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:33:06 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] (off topic) potentiometers
References: <000a01c3f4ca$c1f1db50$aac86391@p4t533c>
Message-ID: <001401c3f4cc$158fd7c0$d3d54d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

99% it will be a log one
phill
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Norman van Wijnen 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:23 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] (off topic) potentiometers


  Hi naktalkers,
   
  how can i determine if  the volume potentiometer (from a nakamichi 410 Preamp) is a Logarithmisch or a Linear one. 
  Is there a code for both of them?
   
  Regards Norman


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From ti at amb.org  Mon Feb 16 21:34:35 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:34:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] (off topic) potentiometers
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3f4ca$c1f1db50$aac86391@p4t533c> from "Norman van Wijnen"
	at Feb 16, 2004 09:23:36 PM
Message-ID: <200402162034.UAA11679@amb.org>

Norman van Wijnen writes:
> how can i determine if  the volume potentiometer (from a nakamichi 410 =
> Preamp) is a Logarithmisch or a Linear one.=20
> Is there a code for both of them?

Most volume control pots are "audio taper" (logarithmic).  Often this
is labeled on the pot itself with an A suffix (such as 50K-A or
something like that).  If you're not sure, you can always measure
the resistance profile using a multimeter, over the full range of the
control.

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Feb 16 21:36:52 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:36:52 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] (off topic) potentiometers
References: <000a01c3f4ca$c1f1db50$aac86391@p4t533c>
Message-ID: <003e01c3f4cc$9bfc1300$d3d54d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

if you really want to check put slider in middle of travel and reading on an ohm-meter  from slider to one of the ends should be half value printed on as resistance , ie 47k should read  about 24k if a linear pot , chances are that its a log
p
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  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:23 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] (off topic) potentiometers


  Hi naktalkers,
   
  how can i determine if  the volume potentiometer (from a nakamichi 410 Preamp) is a Logarithmisch or a Linear one. 
  Is there a code for both of them?
   
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Feb 16 22:08:35 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:08:35 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette'
	s
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0621E2FE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I have noticed that the Maxell's have a much smoother flow than the TDK's,
in general the Maxell's are smoother and quieter.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 2:05 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's


Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
been having problems with the deck going into stop
mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
like there straining.So does anyone else experience
these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H. 


From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Feb 16 22:31:00 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:31:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0621E2FE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <002a01c3f4d4$2c62c360$ea0e4c51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

i still prefer tdk tapes in general, although the ud xlI i have from the 70s
sound wonderful, tdk metals are excellent especially the diecast shell ones
very easy ff\rew
p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's


> I have noticed that the Maxell's have a much smoother flow than the TDK's,
> in general the Maxell's are smoother and quieter.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 2:05
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
>
>
> Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
> been having problems with the deck going into stop
> mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
> played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
> SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
> TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
> XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
> this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
> tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
> two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
> fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
> and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
> like there straining.So does anyone else experience
> these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
> the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
> of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H.
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Feb 16 23:02:16 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:02:16 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank
	cassette'	s
Message-ID: <48948194898c41.4898c414894819@vsnl.net>

People who have used older Nak mechanism in very good spool drive idler may not feel any of these so called Cassette tape brand specific problems! I could not imagine a solid reason for Nak decision to go far Sankyo mechanism - their older mechanism is very sturdy and forgiving. 

Another fact is sometimes the optical sensor behind take up spool needs cleaning if the drives already having gear drive and the idler is not the reason-you can see the optical sensor as a black round spot behind the take up spool drive pully- use methyl alcohol. I have also noticed Gear drive motor conrole pot needs adjustment if you want stronger pull. The volatge across the spool motor without load should be 2.5 V ( under load it goes up to even 4.5 V!) So try these other remedies as the spool drive should not stop for any new tape whatever friction they offer!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Date: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:08 pm
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette'	s

> I have noticed that the Maxell's have a much smoother flow than 
> the TDK's,
> in general the Maxell's are smoother and quieter.
> 
> 	Tom.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Hugo [valman13440 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 2:05 
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank 
> cassette's
> 
> Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
> been having problems with the deck going into stop
> mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
> played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
> SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
> TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
> XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
> this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
> tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
> two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
> fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
> and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
> like there straining.So does anyone else experience
> these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
> the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
> of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H. 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Feb 16 23:30:30 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:30:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
Message-ID: <48972cd4897cea.4897cea48972cd@vsnl.net>

Hi Salim
I could not reply you immediately as I was out of san jose for few days. The Greenish colour suggests acid attack - some sulphuric acid  ? Since cu gets converted to sulphate then it becomes greenish - terrible to imagine that your Deck is attacked by acids? Do not use any chemicals without knowing what it is? I have not seen any Nak with such attack anywhehere in India or here in US. Check the environment you store them and also the cassettes ( if they are old used cassettes check them inside their shells- anything still lurking behind. Are you having some shelf with some chemicals behind where you store your deck. Check all these carefully. If necessary check the cassette deck mechanism whether the previous owners or the fellow who sold you this deck had sprayed some chemicals on the gear parts which is seeping in  to the head area? - one Cr7 that I saw in India had bottom fully corroded - the steel cabinet parts - as the deck was kept above a fridge? no wonder the atmosph
ere is full of moist salty hot air which can corrode zinc plated steel sheet metal - My friend is in Bombay - a sea port with lot of salty air. This will not attack head as it is a cu ni alloy but acidic chemical will eat the head within hours?
check - if necsaay clean the gears etc with water moistened cloth which take away acid substances
regards
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak

> 
> Hi Kannan,
> 
> As we speak about rust ... I discovered that my 680z rec *and* pb 
> heads were
> almost completely covered with white + greenish icky stuff !  Last I
> remembered playing that deck was only about 2-3 months ago.  After 
> cleaning,I noticed that the 'rust' originated from those bronze 
> lines on pb head
> parallel to tape path.  As a metallurgist can you recommend any 
> solution to
> be applied to those material (ni + cu ? or the material in 
> between) if we
> are to store it for a longer time ?  WD40 perhaps ??
> 
> The last tape played on it was either BASF or Memorex type I (I 
> know, I
> shouldn't have).  Is there any distant possibility that the tape 
> residuecoming from specific formulation might speed up corrosion 
> process ?  That
> was the first time I witness such 'rust' happening so fast.  In 
> fact, a
> nearby 581's heads are still ok despite the same idle time & 
> environment but
> with only TDK and maxell diet.
> 
> Sorry if double sent ... my post still got rejected intermittently 
> (orangecaps on naktalk ? =)
> 
> Best regards,
> Salim SM




From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Feb 16 23:44:46 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:44:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0621E2FE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000d01c3f4de$7a034ea0$82634f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

noticed  the bx300 doesnt have a clutch on the take up reel?
p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's


> I have noticed that the Maxell's have a much smoother flow than the TDK's,
> in general the Maxell's are smoother and quieter.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 2:05
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
>
>
> Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
> been having problems with the deck going into stop
> mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
> played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
> SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
> TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
> XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
> this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
> tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
> two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
> fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
> and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
> like there straining.So does anyone else experience
> these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
> the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
> of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H.
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Tue Feb 17 00:17:55 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:17:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK
	blank	cassette'	s
In-Reply-To: <48948194898c41.4898c414894819@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <40310953.28439.122488@localhost>

I believe that Nak's switch to the Sankyo mechanism was a cost-saving move.  The 480 style 
mechanism is wonderful but large and expensive, and at that time there was lots of competition in 
the cassette deck market.  They were simply trying to compete better in the market place.

> People who have used older Nak mechanism in very good spool drive
> idler may not feel any of these so called Cassette tape brand specific
> problems! I could not imagine a solid reason for Nak decision to go
> far Sankyo mechanism - their older mechanism is very sturdy and
> forgiving. 
> 
> Another fact is sometimes the optical sensor behind take up spool
> needs cleaning if the drives already having gear drive and the idler
> is not the reason-you can see the optical sensor as a black round spot
> behind the take up spool drive pully- use methyl alcohol. I have also
> noticed Gear drive motor conrole pot needs adjustment if you want
> stronger pull. The volatge across the spool motor without load should
> be 2.5 V ( under load it goes up to even 4.5 V!) So try these other
> remedies as the spool drive should not stop for any new tape whatever
> friction they offer! kannan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:08 pm
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank
> cassette'	s
> 
> > I have noticed that the Maxell's have a much smoother flow than the
> > TDK's, in general the Maxell's are smoother and quieter.
> > 
> > 	Tom.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keith Hugo [valman13440 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 2:05 
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank 
> > cassette's
> > 
> > Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
> > been having problems with the deck going into stop
> > mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
> > played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
> > SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
> > TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
> > XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
> > this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
> > tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
> > two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
> > fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
> > and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
> > like there straining.So does anyone else experience
> > these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
> > the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
> > of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H. 





From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Feb 17 00:26:10 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:26:10 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDKblank	cassette'	s
References: <40310953.28439.122488@localhost>
Message-ID: <000901c3f4e4$42c8c2c0$82634f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

akai did the same in the 80s-using 'starr' machanics, usually found in 'in
car' cassettes players !
p

----- Original Message -----
From: <timbarrett at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDKblank
cassette' s


> I believe that Nak's switch to the Sankyo mechanism was a cost-saving
move.  The 480 style
> mechanism is wonderful but large and expensive, and at that time there was
lots of competition in
> the cassette deck market.  They were simply trying to compete better in
the market place.
>
> > People who have used older Nak mechanism in very good spool drive
> > idler may not feel any of these so called Cassette tape brand specific
> > problems! I could not imagine a solid reason for Nak decision to go
> > far Sankyo mechanism - their older mechanism is very sturdy and
> > forgiving.
> >
> > Another fact is sometimes the optical sensor behind take up spool
> > needs cleaning if the drives already having gear drive and the idler
> > is not the reason-you can see the optical sensor as a black round spot
> > behind the take up spool drive pully- use methyl alcohol. I have also
> > noticed Gear drive motor conrole pot needs adjustment if you want
> > stronger pull. The volatge across the spool motor without load should
> > be 2.5 V ( under load it goes up to even 4.5 V!) So try these other
> > remedies as the spool drive should not stop for any new tape whatever
> > friction they offer! kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> > Date: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:08 pm
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank
> > cassette' s
> >
> > > I have noticed that the Maxell's have a much smoother flow than the
> > > TDK's, in general the Maxell's are smoother and quieter.
> > >
> > > Tom.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Keith Hugo [valman13440 at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 2:05
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank
> > > cassette's
> > >
> > > Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
> > > been having problems with the deck going into stop
> > > mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
> > > played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
> > > SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
> > > TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
> > > XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
> > > this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
> > > tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
> > > two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
> > > fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
> > > and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
> > > like there straining.So does anyone else experience
> > > these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
> > > the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
> > > of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H.
>
>
>
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Feb 17 02:51:23 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:51:23 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Storing a Nak
References: <48972cd4897cea.4897cea48972cd@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000601c3f4f8$b26472a0$05299bca@aisha>


Hi Kannan,

Thanks for your detailed explanation !  I'd tend to suspect any chemicals
inside tape shell or even possible change of tape formulation as I've had
this deck longer than the others and has been fine prior to this old
memorex/basf tragedy.  All other metallic parts inside deck was checked OK
and also a nearby 581 was completely unaffected.

Do you notice that the material surrounding rec head 'main surface' is
usually the one that start to fell apart ?  It looks more like a chemical
compound instead of solid metal.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Storing a Nak


Hi Salim
I could not reply you immediately as I was out of san jose for few days. The
Greenish colour suggests acid attack - some sulphuric acid  ? Since cu gets
converted to sulphate then it becomes greenish - terrible to imagine that
your Deck is attacked by acids? Do not use any chemicals without knowing
what it is? I have not seen any Nak with such attack anywhehere in India or
here in US. Check the environment you store them and also the cassettes ( if
they are old used cassettes check them inside their shells- anything still
lurking behind. Are you having some shelf with some chemicals behind where
you store your deck. Check all these carefully. If necessary check the
cassette deck mechanism whether the previous owners or the fellow who sold
you this deck had sprayed some chemicals on the gear parts which is seeping
in  to the head area? - one Cr7 that I saw in India had bottom fully
corroded - the steel cabinet parts - as the deck was kept above a fridge? no
wonder the atmosph
ere is full of moist salty hot air which can corrode zinc plated steel sheet
metal - My friend is in Bombay - a sea port with lot of salty air. This will
not attack head as it is a cu ni alloy but acidic chemical will eat the head
within hours?
check - if necsaay clean the gears etc with water moistened cloth which take
away acid substances
regards
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki smarzuki at indosat.net.id




From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Feb 17 03:23:08 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:23:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3f4de$7a034ea0$82634f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0621E2FE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<000d01c3f4de$7a034ea0$82634f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <40317B0C.7070107@rcn.com>


The usual slip clutch is replaced by electrical slippage
in the take up reel motor. Works better than mechanical
clutch.

-- Ron


p r wrote:

> noticed  the bx300 doesnt have a clutch on the take up reel?
> p
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
> 
> 
> 
>>I have noticed that the Maxell's have a much smoother flow than the TDK's,
>>in general the Maxell's are smoother and quieter.
>>
>>Tom.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 2:05
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
>>
>>
>>Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
>>been having problems with the deck going into stop
>>mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
>>played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
>>SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
>>TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
>>XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
>>this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
>>tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
>>two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
>>fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
>>and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
>>like there straining.So does anyone else experience
>>these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
>>the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
>>of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H.





From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Tue Feb 17 03:53:10 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:53:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0621E2FE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000401c3f501$2dd7ddc0$811b0cd0@r7g1f8>

I agree.  I just purchased a dozen TDK MA90s and while they have good sound
and good headroom, their mechanism is not as smooth as Maxell XLIIs.

Randall in Seattle


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's


> I have noticed that the Maxell's have a much smoother flow than the TDK's,
> in general the Maxell's are smoother and quieter.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 2:05
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
>
>
> Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
> been having problems with the deck going into stop
> mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
> played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
> SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
> TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
> XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
> this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
> tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
> two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
> fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
> and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
> like there straining.So does anyone else experience
> these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
> the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
> of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H.
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Feb 17 06:03:11 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 01:03:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3
Message-ID: <001201c3f513$5b09ab90$516623c8@g8nsv>

Hi guys!!!
I have been offered a Nakamichi CR-3 in excellent condition for less than US$100. I want to know if it is a good price and what kind of machine should I expect. Is it similar to the LX-5???? What similarities does it have with the CR-7????
The same person is seling a McIntosh 2105 power amp and an Accuphase E-202 Integrated amp for US$500 both of them....can you tell me the quality of these machines too and if it is a good price to get them even though I don'thave a place to put them right now???
I would appreciate your help as soon as possible. I have to answer by Friday at the most.

Isy
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Feb 17 11:23:28 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 04:23:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Super-Nak
Message-ID: <2885-4031EBA0-6584@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

Has anyone ever heard of a Super-modifed Nak-deck?i mean something like
a high end Nak,modified with,for example,an expensive outboard power
supply,refitted with wonder-caps,litz-wired,sorbathaned,or i dont know
what else...

thank you very much,
gerald



From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Feb 17 14:11:06 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:11:06 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0621E2FE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au><000d01c3f4de$7a034ea0$82634f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
	<40317B0C.7070107@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3f557$82d9d660$6da84d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

cheers-thanks for info
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's


>
> The usual slip clutch is replaced by electrical slippage
> in the take up reel motor. Works better than mechanical
> clutch.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> p r wrote:
>
> > noticed  the bx300 doesnt have a clutch on the take up reel?
> > p
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank
cassette's
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have noticed that the Maxell's have a much smoother flow than the
TDK's,
> >>in general the Maxell's are smoother and quieter.
> >>
> >>Tom.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Keith Hugo [mailto:valman13440 at yahoo.com]
> >>Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 2:05
> >>To: naktalk at naks.com
> >>Subject: [naktalk] Anybody else have problems with TDK blank cassette's
> >>
> >>
> >>Bought a mint condition CR-3A from ebay and i have
> >>been having problems with the deck going into stop
> >>mode after about 70% of a side of a 90 minute tape is
> >>played and this was happening only when a TDK SA-X or
> >>SA tape is being used (These are the newer generation
> >>TDK's)But low and behold when i use a Maxell XLII or
> >>XLII-S tape it runs fine,no going into stop mode.Could
> >>this be?Could the TDK's just be put together to
> >>tight?I have noticed that on this CR-3A and my other
> >>two decks (Other Brands)that the Maxell's rewind and
> >>fast forward alot quicker and quieter than the TDK's
> >>and also the TDK's make the motors in the decks sound
> >>like there straining.So does anyone else experience
> >>these problems with TDK tapes and could the really be
> >>the cause of my CR-3A going into stop mode after 70%
> >>of a side is played?Thanks and peace..Keith H.
>
>
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From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com  Tue Feb 17 14:31:29 2004
From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:31:29 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] marathon magic
Message-ID: <D594367B02A8994A92A6B36C734CFA610FCF44@uec16.ue.com>

nak'rs,
discs recieved...music played...ears pleased...fun had. great job Carlos, all.
a


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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 17 14:56:52 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:56:52 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] A few questions if I may!
Message-ID: <008201c3f55d$e64a52a0$714b7ad5@oemcomputer>

Just coming up for air, a few questions if I may:

Is the 1.5 the same Mechanically as the DR2?

If no to the above, does anybody have access to a DR2 S/Manual?
(I have a 1.5)

Re the T100: Other than the relay, any other common problems?
anybody had one suffer the Orange Cap syndrome?
 
Always working and sometimes lurking.
Ask me and I may know!

Best regards

Terry
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From mdunn at cantares.on.ca  Tue Feb 17 15:46:45 2004
From: mdunn at cantares.on.ca (Michael Dunn)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:46:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] marathon magic
In-Reply-To: <D594367B02A8994A92A6B36C734CFA610FCF44@uec16.ue.com>
References: <D594367B02A8994A92A6B36C734CFA610FCF44@uec16.ue.com>
Message-ID: <a05100302bc57d9a7b0d4@[64.7.131.32]>

    I'm new here.  What is this Marathon of which you speak?

thx
Michael



From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Feb 17 19:07:05 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:07:05 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] A few questions if I may!
References: <008201c3f55d$e64a52a0$714b7ad5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002101c3f580$daa0dbe0$76299bca@aisha>


Hi Terry,

Not 100% sure here, but mechanically they should be similar with pb amp located behind mechanism.  I use both DR2 and Deck 1 but only have Deck 1 service manual.  Let me know if you need info from the manual and I'll look it up for you.  

Unfortunately still no experience with T100.  :(

Best regards,
Salim SM


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Terence Finn 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:56 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] A few questions if I may!


  Just coming up for air, a few questions if I may:

  Is the 1.5 the same Mechanically as the DR2?

  If no to the above, does anybody have access to a DR2 S/Manual?
  (I have a 1.5)

  Re the T100: Other than the relay, any other common problems?
  anybody had one suffer the Orange Cap syndrome?

  Always working and sometimes lurking.
  Ask me and I may know!

  Best regards

  Terry

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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 17 19:32:08 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:32:08 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] A few questions if I may!
References: <008201c3f55d$e64a52a0$714b7ad5@oemcomputer>
	<002101c3f580$daa0dbe0$76299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <006f01c3f584$5bf559c0$83358751@oemcomputer>

Thanks Salim

Will wait and see if I get any further reponse from the Nak Net!

Regards

Terry
terry at affinityaudio.com

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From BADANTH at aol.com  Tue Feb 17 20:25:36 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:25:36 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)
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Has anyone discovered the mystery track seven, disc two yet?

Anthony
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Feb 17 20:30:44 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:30:44 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] A few questions if I may!
Message-ID: <4a778274a70b56.4a70b564a77827@vsnl.net>

I have just made alignment check on Cassette Deck 1 which is similar to probably DR 1 since circuit is similar to many naks like CR 3 excepting playback first stage amp is seperated from the main board and fitted behind the mechanism - closer to the Play head!!! However mechanism has now Azimuth adjust facility which is similar in nature to CR 7 but no motor drive. So I assume most of Casette Deck 1.5 should be similar or exactly identical to DR 2 - i mean the schematics here - while outside shape only is the differnce. So same Service manual should do. Afer trouble shooting few Naks - you can always use a different service manual comfortably anyway! These machines were built long after Orange cap period of Nak history so they do not suffer from that disease but electronic failures are possible ( I have noticed dead spot on Spool drive motor, Capstan belt sagging which may require spare parts. I have noticed failures in Spool motor Drive circuit on BX 300 but not on CR series
 ( excepting CR 7/ CR 5 which uses Bx 300 type discrete motor drive circuit) DR and CD series all have Sony IC based Motor Drive IC which seem much more robust. I noticed a failure of CMOS switch which forms a part of Level switching circuit for CR 3 -A toshiba IC and no more produced- Still MCM and few others carry that IC luckily! I expect minimal problems as far as Cassette Deck / DR series decks compared to earlier machines but their dolby IC seems less transparent than Bx 300 series. Finally Cassette Deck series early production lot seem to have bad  Capstan  motors ( or Reel motors ) made by panasonic and Nak in the middle changed back to their original mabuchi motors - You can see naktalk archive Stephen' posting on that issue
T 100 seems to have major parts problem - its display is special and no longer available. The equpment will be useless if the display fails!
kannan
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Hi Terry,

Not 100% sure here, but mechanically they should be similar with pb amp located behind mechanism.  I use both DR2 and Deck 1 but only have Deck 1 service manual.  Let me know if you need info from the manual and I'll look it up for you.  

Unfortunately still no experience with T100.  :(

Best regards,
Salim SM


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Terence Finn 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:56 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] A few questions if I may!


  Just coming up for air, a few questions if I may:

  Is the 1.5 the same Mechanically as the DR2?

  If no to the above, does anybody have access to a DR2 S/Manual?
  (I have a 1.5)

  Re the T100: Other than the relay, any other common problems?
  anybody had one suffer the Orange Cap syndrome?

  Always working and sometimes lurking.
  Ask me and I may know!

  Best regards

  Terry


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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Not 100% sure here, but mechanically they 
should be similar with pb amp located behind mechanism.&nbsp; I use both DR2 and 
Deck 1 but only have Deck 1 service manual.&nbsp; Let me know if you need info 
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Unfortunately still no experience with 
T100.&nbsp; :(</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Salim SM</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=Tpfinn at btinternet.com href="mailto:Tpfinn at btinternet.com">Terence 
  Finn</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=naktalk at naks.com 
  href="mailto:naktalk at naks.com">naktalk at naks.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:56 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [naktalk] A few questions if I 
  may!</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Just coming up for air, a&nbsp;few questions if I 
  may:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Is the 1.5 the same Mechanically&nbsp;as the 
  DR2?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>If no to the above, does&nbsp;anybody have access to a 
  DR2 S/Manual?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>(I have a 1.5)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Re the T100: Other than the&nbsp;relay, any other 
  common problems?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>anybody had one suffer the Orange Cap 
  syndrome?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Always&nbsp;working and sometimes 
lurking.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Ask me and I may know!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Best regards</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Terry</FONT></DIV>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb 17 20:53:32 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:53:32 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tapes Project (Playlist Update)
In-Reply-To: <5b.47762f91.2d63c4b0@aol.com>
References: <5b.47762f91.2d63c4b0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1077047612.4032713cdb69f@mail.ce.net>

Beat you to it BAD! ;-) Nobody yet has mentioned the slightly off speed at the 
end of one track. It sounds like that track had some problem with the original 
recording. I'm at work so don't have access at present. So, name that cut! No 
prizes ;-)

John T.

Quoting BADANTH at aol.com:

> Has anyone discovered the mystery track seven, disc two yet?
> 
> Anthony
> 





From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 17 21:32:07 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:32:07 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] A few questions if I may!
References: <4a778274a70b56.4a70b564a77827@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <007801c3f595$1d3ee820$c3b07ad5@oemcomputer>

Thank you Kannan

I appreciate you taking the time.

If I can return the favour let me know

Regards

Terry
terry at affinityaudio.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] A few questions if I may!


> I have just made alignment check on Cassette Deck 1 which is similar to
probably DR 1 since circuit is similar to many naks like CR 3 excepting
playback first stage amp is seperated from the main board and fitted behind
the mechanism - closer to the Play head!!! However mechanism has now Azimuth
adjust facility which is similar in nature to CR 7 but no motor drive. So I
assume most of Casette Deck 1.5 should be similar or exactly identical to DR
2 - i mean the schematics here - while outside shape only is the differnce.
So same Service manual should do. Afer trouble shooting few Naks - you can
always use a different service manual comfortably anyway! These machines
were built long after Orange cap period of Nak history so they do not suffer
from that disease but electronic failures are possible ( I have noticed dead
spot on Spool drive motor, Capstan belt sagging which may require spare
parts. I have noticed failures in Spool motor Drive circuit on BX 300 but
not on CR series
>  ( excepting CR 7/ CR 5 which uses Bx 300 type discrete motor drive
circuit) DR and CD series all have Sony IC based Motor Drive IC which seem
much more robust. I noticed a failure of CMOS switch which forms a part of
Level switching circuit for CR 3 -A toshiba IC and no more produced- Still
MCM and few others carry that IC luckily! I expect minimal problems as far
as Cassette Deck / DR series decks compared to earlier machines but their
dolby IC seems less transparent than Bx 300 series. Finally Cassette Deck
series early production lot seem to have bad  Capstan  motors ( or Reel
motors ) made by panasonic and Nak in the middle changed back to their
original mabuchi motors - You can see naktalk archive Stephen' posting on
that issue
> T 100 seems to have major parts problem - its display is special and no
longer available. The equpment will be useless if the display fails!
> kannan
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Mon Feb 16 22:38:40 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:38:40 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] WD-40
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From ti at amb.org  Tue Feb 17 22:25:30 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:25:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] WD-40
In-Reply-To: <19909588@rosencrantz.reed.edu> from "Fred Lifton" at Feb 16,
	2004 01:30:11 PM
Message-ID: <200402172125.VAA23214@amb.org>

Fred Lifton writes:
> So, what was the name (again) of the preferred products for electronics? I know

You can always look at the archives.

But anyway, check out Caig Laboratories http://www.caig.com
for the appropriate electronics contact enhancers.

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Feb 17 22:31:02 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:31:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Super-Nak
In-Reply-To: <2885-4031EBA0-6584@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
References: <2885-4031EBA0-6584@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <40328816.9080903@xs4all.nl>

I only remember someone modifying a 680ZX with Dragon direct drive 
motors... I can find the email iabout this subject if soneone is interested.
It was a former Nakamichi USA engineer if i recall right.
Wouter

Gerald G. wrote:

>Has anyone ever heard of a Super-modifed Nak-deck?i mean something like
>a high end Nak,modified with,for example,an expensive outboard power
>supply,refitted with wonder-caps,litz-wired,sorbathaned,or i dont know
>what else...
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
>  
>



From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com  Tue Feb 17 22:35:51 2004
From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:35:51 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] marathon magic
Message-ID: <D594367B02A8994A92A6B36C734CFA610FCF46@uec16.ue.com>

Michael,
taping project put together by some subscribers here. see.... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html
andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Dunn [mailto:mdunn at cantares.on.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:47 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] marathon magic


    I'm new here.  What is this Marathon of which you speak?

thx
Michael




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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Feb 17 22:39:49 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:39:49 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] WD-40
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Fred said:
>
>
> I used be a bicycle mechanic and even then I would try to talk
> people out of
> using WD-40. The stuff is a dirt magnet..... Dust
> and dirt adhere to it, creating a nasty stickly slurry that
> wreaked havoc on
> bike parts.
>

Too late!   I found that out for myself the hard way ...  One dirty bike
chain to clean ...

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 18 00:21:37 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:21:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] WD-40
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1089xRGg3bHlw00049ebf@hotmail.com>

Fred:

I am not a member of the NRA..but believe your comment' s do not belong on 
this site .


>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] WD-40
>Date: 16 Feb 2004 13:30:11 PST
>
>I used be a bicycle mechanic and even then I would try to talk people out 
>of
>using WD-40. The stuff is a dirt magnet, which does indeed make it good for
>cleaning, but beware if you didn't get it all flushed/wiped off afterwards. 
>Dust
>and dirt adhere to it, creating a nasty stickly slurry that wreaked havoc 
>on
>bike parts. I shudder to think what it does to precision electronics.
>
>So, what was the name (again) of the preferred products for electronics? I 
>know
>it was just posted on the list, but I lost the post.
>best wishes to all,
>Fred
>
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Feb 18 00:28:53 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:28:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Super-Nak
Message-ID: <4a7a0394a78cea.4a78cea4a7a039@vsnl.net>

There are many opportunities to electronically tweak a Nak like many other such projects for Amplifiers / Cd players etc. One such thing what Stephen posted more than year ago -is to use special Polyustrene/ polyproplene capacitors addition to Electrolytic caps in signal path in parellel, power supply mod using low noise fast rectifiers / Polyproplene caps bypassing and ofcourse beefing up the power supply / finally substituting TLO84/ NJM 4558 type op amps with OP 275. I had tried few of things with sound modifications particularly on an old Dragon which came to my possession in non working condition. After Op 275 replacement and some coupling caps by pass the HF end acquired better quality and transparency. Unless you look for it it won't matter or I would say that it was subtle change. He also suggested silver wire cable replacement of stock sheilded cables carrying signal back and forth - particularly in dragon , One can also try some playaback amp mod with  circuit simil
ar to 700 ZXE (full discrete first stage) or 1000ZXL type with double matched fet front end. 
It reqires good amount of time and money if somebody is seriuos about it?
kannan 

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From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Super-Nak

> I only remember someone modifying a 680ZX with Dragon direct drive 
> motors... I can find the email iabout this subject if soneone is 
> interested.It was a former Nakamichi USA engineer if i recall right.
> Wouter
> 
> Gerald G. wrote:
> 
> >Has anyone ever heard of a Super-modifed Nak-deck?i mean 
> something like
> >a high end Nak,modified with,for example,an expensive outboard power
> >supply,refitted with wonder-caps,litz-wired,sorbathaned,or i dont 
> know>what else...
> >
> >thank you very much,
> >gerald
> >  
> >
> 
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 00:32:48 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:32:48 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] WD-40
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F1089xRGg3bHlw00049ebf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3f5ae$5a2fc2e0$ab68893e@oemcomputer>

NRA - isn't that the Nakaphiliacs Rehabilitation Association?

Grinham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: 17 February 2004 23:22
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] WD-40
> 
> 
> Fred:
> 
> I am not a member of the NRA..but believe your comment' s do not 
> belong on 
> this site .
> 
> 
> >From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] WD-40
> >Date: 16 Feb 2004 13:30:11 PST
> >
> >I used be a bicycle mechanic and even then I would try to talk 
> people out 
> >of
> >using WD-40. The stuff is a dirt magnet, which does indeed make 
> it good for
> >cleaning, but beware if you didn't get it all flushed/wiped off 
> afterwards. 
> >Dust
> >and dirt adhere to it, creating a nasty stickly slurry that 
> wreaked havoc 
> >on
> >bike parts. I shudder to think what it does to precision electronics.
> >
> >So, what was the name (again) of the preferred products for 
> electronics? I 
> >know
> >it was just posted on the list, but I lost the post.
> >best wishes to all,
> >Fred
> >
> >"Guns are population control for NRA members, that's the only reason to 
> >keep
> >them legal."
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 00:37:45 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:37:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Super-Nak
In-Reply-To: <4a7a0394a78cea.4a78cea4a7a039@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <20040217233745.52504.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>

For more information, including quotes from Stephen
Sank go to my web page
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
and scroll down to "Souping up your deck"

Scott J.

--- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> There are many opportunities to electronically tweak
> a Nak like many other such projects for Amplifiers /
> Cd players etc. One such thing what Stephen posted
> more than year ago -is to use special Polyustrene/
> polyproplene capacitors addition to Electrolytic
> caps in signal path in parellel, power supply mod
> using low noise fast rectifiers / Polyproplene caps
> bypassing and ofcourse beefing up the power supply /
> finally substituting TLO84/ NJM 4558 type op amps
> with OP 275. I had tried few of things with sound
> modifications particularly on an old Dragon which
> came to my possession in non working condition.
> After Op 275 replacement and some coupling caps by
> pass the HF end acquired better quality and
> transparency. Unless you look for it it won't matter
> or I would say that it was subtle change. He also
> suggested silver wire cable replacement of stock
> sheilded cables carrying signal back and forth -
> particularly in dragon , One can also try some
> playaback amp mod with  circuit simil
> ar to 700 ZXE (full discrete first stage) or 1000ZXL
> type with double matched fet front end. 
> It reqires good amount of time and money if somebody
> is seriuos about it?
> kannan 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:31 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Super-Nak
> 
> > I only remember someone modifying a 680ZX with
> Dragon direct drive 
> > motors... I can find the email iabout this subject
> if soneone is 
> > interested.It was a former Nakamichi USA engineer
> if i recall right.
> > Wouter
> > 
> > Gerald G. wrote:
> > 
> > >Has anyone ever heard of a Super-modifed
> Nak-deck?i mean 
> > something like
> > >a high end Nak,modified with,for example,an
> expensive outboard power
> > >supply,refitted with
> wonder-caps,litz-wired,sorbathaned,or i dont 
> > know>what else...
> > >
> > >thank you very much,
> > >gerald
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 01:13:52 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:13:52 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed Dragon
	deck "
In-Reply-To: <20040217233745.52504.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3f5b4$16d23860$ab68893e@oemcomputer>

Guys

Want a laugh?  Go see
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&category=478
4

Gra'


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 01:16:28 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:16:28 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed Dragon
	deck "
Message-ID: <000101c3f5b4$74498700$ab68893e@oemcomputer>

Heavens!  There's a rash of  'em ....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3274705447&category=277
95



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From hisself at ol-jim.com  Wed Feb 18 01:26:22 2004
From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:26:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
	Dragon	deck "
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f5b4$16d23860$ab68893e@oemcomputer>
References: <20040217233745.52504.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40326ADE.15331.28188D5@localhost>

> Guys
> 
> Want a laugh?  Go see
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&catego
> ry=478 4
> 
> Gra'
> 

Wow!  I have an LX-5.  Better than a Dragon??  I'm some impressed!

Maybe I should buy another one to replace my BX-2.


Ol' Jim, hisself

hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com



Gun Control is life insurance for those Government Officials scheming to steal the 
rest of your Bill of Rights.



From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 01:37:31 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:37:31 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the
	famedDragon	deck "
In-Reply-To: <40326ADE.15331.28188D5@localhost>
Message-ID: <000001c3f5b7$649c6fe0$ab68893e@oemcomputer>

Why stop at two, Jim?!  <<grin>>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ol' Jim, hisself
> Sent: 18 February 2004 00:26
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the
> famedDragon deck "
> 
> 
>
> Wow!  I have an LX-5.  Better than a Dragon??  I'm some impressed!
> 
> Maybe I should buy another one to replace my BX-2.
> 
> 
> Ol' Jim, hisself
> 
> hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com
> 
> >
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Feb 18 02:23:03 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:23:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed Dragon
	deck "
In-Reply-To: <000001c3f5b4$16d23860$ab68893e@oemcomputer>
References: <000001c3f5b4$16d23860$ab68893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <4032BE77.4080801@rcn.com>


And when we're through laughing, let us reflect on what
kind of a person sells their integrity, such as it is,
for 67 bucks.

Makes you pause, no?

-- Ron


Nelson wrote:

> Guys
> 
> Want a laugh?  Go see
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&category=478
> 4
> 
> Gra'





From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 18 06:28:14 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:28:14 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
	Dragondeck "
References: <000001c3f5b4$16d23860$ab68893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002b01c3f5e0$47993c10$0e363242@CopyTech>

Ha ! Hey Gra: what the hell is going on in that side of the world ? Or maybe
we have been overestimating the Dragon and this fellow knows something we
don't ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
Dragondeck "


> Guys
>
> Want a laugh?  Go see
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&category=478
> 4
>
> Gra'
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 18 06:33:59 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:33:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
	Dragondeck "
References: <000101c3f5b4$74498700$ab68893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000801c3f5e0$d04c5a10$0e363242@CopyTech>

I can't believe this shit. I have seen this fever spreading out lately as
well as those dumbs who buys a 1000 Tri Tracer in an estate and confuse it
with the 1000 ZXL and then pretends to start the bid at $600.00 !!!! Go
figures ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:16 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
Dragondeck "


> Heavens!  There's a rash of  'em ....
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3274705447&category=277
> 95
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Wed Feb 18 02:33:31 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:33:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
	Dragondeck "
References: <000001c3f5b4$16d23860$ab68893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <005601c3f5bf$381c8e20$6601a8c0@cn593434a>

Oh yeah.  That's a good one.  Let's see, and I quote, "This unit is
sonically, mechanically, and electrically superior to the Nakamichi Dragon."
Let's think about this beautiful statement a bit.

Sonically superior could be taken to mean that when strapped to the roof of
your car at 60mph with the door open, the LX-5 makes a more pleasing
whistling sound!

Mechanically superior could mean that the LX-5 is easier to fix if broken.

And electrically superior could mean that the prongs on the power plug are
more robust and therefore harder to bend making difficult insertion into the
power outlet a thing of the past.

dino ;-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
Dragondeck "


> Guys
>
> Want a laugh?  Go see
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&category=478
> 4
>
> Gra'
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 18 06:44:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:44:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
	Dragondeck "
References: <000001c3f5b4$16d23860$ab68893e@oemcomputer>
	<4032BE77.4080801@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c3f5e2$399165f0$0e363242@CopyTech>

ON the other hand, there's a 1000 ZXL at e bay right now that the bidding
has gone over $1,600 already !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wouldn't be surprised to see
this baby gone for nearly $1,800 or so. Shit ! People are getting nuts these
days ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
Dragondeck "


>
> And when we're through laughing, let us reflect on what
> kind of a person sells their integrity, such as it is,
> for 67 bucks.
>
> Makes you pause, no?
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> Nelson wrote:
>
> > Guys
> >
> > Want a laugh?  Go see
> >
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&category=478
> > 4
> >
> > Gra'
>
>
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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Wed Feb 18 03:01:03 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:01:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3f4de$7a034ea0$82634f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <002601c3f5c3$108056e0$1e01000a@c994264f>

Gents, I received my eBay-won (unseen) Dragon from Stephen's shop. He
gave me a head's up that there was scratches on the cassette door. The
scratches show the bright aluminum below the black surface. What's has
been the best touch-up I can do, or does anyone have a mint-condition
spare Dragon door I can purchase. 



From gwmunger at bestweb.net  Wed Feb 18 03:18:58 2004
From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:18:58 EST
Subject: [naktalk] NakCrak.orgy
Message-ID: <4032cb92.11cd.0@bestweb.net>

Ya know, if you Nakkers keep up this level of of joking-around up, I just may
have to take out more health insurance, just in case I bust a gut. Maybe Wouter
can have a separate site called NakCrak.orgy or something?

Later.
George Munger 

"Long (very long) Live Analog !", because that is what we are.

>
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:13:52 -0000
>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed Dragon
deck "
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>Guys
>
>Want a laugh?  Go see
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&category=478

>4
>
>Gra'
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:16:28 -0000
>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed Dragon
deck "
>
>Heavens!  There's a rash of  'em ....
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3274705447&category=277

>95
>
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:26:22 -0500
>From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" <hisself at ol-jim.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed Dragon
deck "
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Guys
>> 
>> Want a laugh?  Go see
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&catego
>> ry=478 4
>> 
>> Gra'
>> 
>
>Wow!  I have an LX-5.  Better than a Dragon??  I'm some impressed!
>
>Maybe I should buy another one to replace my BX-2.
>
>
>Ol' Jim, hisself
>
>hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com
>
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:37:31 -0000
>From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed Dragon
deck "
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>Why stop at two, Jim?!  <<grin>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of Ol' Jim, hisself
>> Sent: 18 February 2004 00:26
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the
>> famedDragon deck "
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Wow!  I have an LX-5.  Better than a Dragon??  I'm some impressed!
>> 
>> Maybe I should buy another one to replace my BX-2.
>> 
>> 
>> Ol' Jim, hisself
>> 
>> hisself at ol-jim.com                   http://www.ol-jim.com
>> 
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:23:03 -0500
>From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the
>	famed Dragon	deck "
>
>And when we're through laughing, let us reflect on what
>kind of a person sells their integrity, such as it is,
>for 67 bucks.
>
>Makes you pause, no?
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>Nelson wrote:
>
>
>Message: 14
>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:28:14 -0800
>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed Dragondeck
"
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>Ha ! Hey Gra: what the hell is going on in that side of the world ? Or maybe

>we have been overestimating the Dragon and this fellow knows something we
>don't ...
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:13 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
>Dragondeck "
>
>
>> Guys
>>
>> Want a laugh?  Go see
>>
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&category=478

>> 4
>>
>> Gra'
>>
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>Message: 15
>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:33:59 -0800
>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the
>	famed	Dragondeck "
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
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>I can't believe this shit. I have seen this fever spreading out lately as
>well as those dumbs who buys a 1000 Tri Tracer in an estate and confuse it

>with the 1000 ZXL and then pretends to start the bid at $600.00 !!!! Go
>figures ...
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:16 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
>Dragondeck "
>
>
>> Heavens!  There's a rash of  'em ....
>>
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3274705447&category=277

>> 95
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>Message: 16
>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:33:31 -0500
>From: "Dean Bauer" <dbauer45 at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the
>	famed	Dragondeck "
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
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>Oh yeah.  That's a good one.  Let's see, and I quote, "This unit is
>sonically, mechanically, and electrically superior to the Nakamichi Dragon."

>Let's think about this beautiful statement a bit.
>
>Sonically superior could be taken to mean that when strapped to the roof of

>your car at 60mph with the door open, the LX-5 makes a more pleasing
>whistling sound!
>
>Mechanically superior could mean that the LX-5 is easier to fix if broken.

>
>And electrically superior could mean that the prongs on the power plug are

>more robust and therefore harder to bend making difficult insertion into the

>power outlet a thing of the past.
>
>dino ;-)
>


From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 18 09:39:03 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:39:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Last Call
References: <20040212062718.55285.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003301c3f5fa$aa9ef880$31773242@CopyTech>

Kannan and Terry Finn: your funds has arrived and your sets are en route:

Eddy Pollet
Tayfur Gunay
Bill Wheatley
Kelvin
David Foley
Ed Noyes
Fred Lifton
Richard Obenauf
Marc Hugo

Are you guys still interested in the set ? If not, just let me know off the
list please. I can use it for other people that are on the waiting list.
Again, people outside of the US can use Western Union: fast, reliable and
cheap.

Your help with this matter would be fully appreciated.

Carlos



From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 08:17:13 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:17:13 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?
References: <002601c3f5c3$108056e0$1e01000a@c994264f>
Message-ID: <002301c3f5ef$3c8ba740$f3374c51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

if the aluminium is anodised then there is a chemical liquid that will
re-anodise it, used it when building mixer systems, may be avaiable from
metal finishers, if its plastic ?
phlll
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike deVera" <mdevera at compuserve.com>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:01 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?


> Gents, I received my eBay-won (unseen) Dragon from Stephen's shop. He
> gave me a head's up that there was scratches on the cassette door. The
> scratches show the bright aluminum below the black surface. What's has
> been the best touch-up I can do, or does anyone have a mint-condition
> spare Dragon door I can purchase.
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Feb 18 14:35:21 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:35:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?
In-Reply-To: <002301c3f5ef$3c8ba740$f3374c51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <002601c3f5c3$108056e0$1e01000a@c994264f>
	<002301c3f5ef$3c8ba740$f3374c51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <40336A19.9030606@rcn.com>

I use permanent black felt pen, such as 'Sharpie'.
Available from office supply and hobby stores for,
IIRC, 89 cents. Paint the scratch lightly, then
very lightly wipe off. Can't say the scratch
disappears completely, but almost. And the 'repair'
lasts for many, many years.

-- Ron


p r wrote:
> if the aluminium is anodised then there is a chemical liquid that will
> re-anodise it, used it when building mixer systems, may be avaiable from
> metal finishers, if its plastic ?
> phlll
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike deVera" <mdevera at compuserve.com>
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:01 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?
> 
> 
> 
>>Gents, I received my eBay-won (unseen) Dragon from Stephen's shop. He
>>gave me a head's up that there was scratches on the cassette door. The
>>scratches show the bright aluminum below the black surface. What's has
>>been the best touch-up I can do, or does anyone have a mint-condition
>>spare Dragon door I can purchase.
>>




From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 14:44:07 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:44:07 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?
References: <002601c3f5c3$108056e0$1e01000a@c994264f><002301c3f5ef$3c8ba740$f3374c51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
	<40336A19.9030606@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3f625$483065a0$2bd74d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

all the pen\markers ive tried leave a dark\blueish tint,but not used
specialist ones just 'permanant markers'
p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?


> I use permanent black felt pen, such as 'Sharpie'.
> Available from office supply and hobby stores for,
> IIRC, 89 cents. Paint the scratch lightly, then
> very lightly wipe off. Can't say the scratch
> disappears completely, but almost. And the 'repair'
> lasts for many, many years.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> p r wrote:
> > if the aluminium is anodised then there is a chemical liquid that will
> > re-anodise it, used it when building mixer systems, may be avaiable from
> > metal finishers, if its plastic ?
> > phlll
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike deVera" <mdevera at compuserve.com>
> > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:01 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?
> >
> >
> >
> >>Gents, I received my eBay-won (unseen) Dragon from Stephen's shop. He
> >>gave me a head's up that there was scratches on the cassette door. The
> >>scratches show the bright aluminum below the black surface. What's has
> >>been the best touch-up I can do, or does anyone have a mint-condition
> >>spare Dragon door I can purchase.
> >>
>
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Wed Feb 18 16:59:41 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:59:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Aluminum Repair
Message-ID: <000c01c3f638$38bf79e0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Mike,

The chemical treatment for aluminum is called Aluminum Black by Birchwood Casey.....it is used by gunsmiths:
http://www.basspro-shops.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=34239&hvarDept=400&hvarEvent=&hvarClassCode=4&hvarSubCode=12&hvarTarget=browse

You might also try Super Black....seems to be a laquer based paint in a felt-tip pen.  You can paint it on and wipe off the excess leaving a deposit in the scratch....takes a little practice, but you can remove goofs with laquer thinner:
http://www.basspro-shops.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=34241&hvarDept=400&hvarEvent=&hvarClassCode=4&hvarSubCode=12&hvarTarget=browse

Also, I have had good results on very small dings with a standard laundry marker pen, such as Sharpie by Sanford.

Robert Kent

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike deVera" <mdevera at compuserve.com>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:01 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?
> Gents, I received my eBay-won (unseen) Dragon from Stephen's shop. He
> gave me a head's up that there was scratches on the cassette door. The
> scratches show the bright aluminum below the black surface. What's has
> been the best touch-up I can do, or does anyone have a mint-condition
> spare Dragon door I can purchase.
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 17:13:57 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:13:57 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Aluminum Repair
References: <000c01c3f638$38bf79e0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <002601c3f63a$36aa4390$8c144c51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
if i had known this stuff was available-i had a sonab amp all ally extrusion case that was badly marked-this would have been ideal
p
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: Mike de Vera ; naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:59 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Aluminum Repair


  Hi Mike,
   
  The chemical treatment for aluminum is called Aluminum Black by Birchwood Casey.....it is used by gunsmiths:
  http://www.basspro-shops.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=34239&hvarDept=400&hvarEvent=&hvarClassCode=4&hvarSubCode=12&hvarTarget=browse
   
  You might also try Super Black....seems to be a laquer based paint in a felt-tip pen.  You can paint it on and wipe off the excess leaving a deposit in the scratch....takes a little practice, but you can remove goofs with laquer thinner:
  http://www.basspro-shops.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=34241&hvarDept=400&hvarEvent=&hvarClassCode=4&hvarSubCode=12&hvarTarget=browse
   
  Also, I have had good results on very small dings with a standard laundry marker pen, such as Sharpie by Sanford.
   
  Robert Kent
   
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Mike deVera" <mdevera at compuserve.com>
  To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:01 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Best Touch-Up Paint?
  > Gents, I received my eBay-won (unseen) Dragon from Stephen's shop. He
  > gave me a head's up that there was scratches on the cassette door. The
  > scratches show the bright aluminum below the black surface. What's has
  > been the best touch-up I can do, or does anyone have a mint-condition
  > spare Dragon door I can purchase.


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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Wed Feb 18 17:32:38 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:32:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] WD-40
Message-ID: <s0335232.078@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Fred,
 
I'll just copy and paste the two paragraphs from my previous response on the electrical/electronics cleaners/enhancers I have had good experiences with:
 
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I'd recommend CAIG Laboratories DeoxIT D5 spray to clean the WD40 and other contaminants out of the pot(entiometer).  Follow up with PreservIT P5, or if you really want to get aggressive, use ProGold G5.  The "5" in all these products stands for 5% solution.  They also have 100, which means 100% solution.  Since this has not been sitting and collecting crud for a long time, the 5% solutions should be fine.
 
A little over 30 years ago, there was quite a "cult" following in the audio field for Cramolin, which was the early name for CAIG Labs products.  Since then, there have been many large companies use their products to keep electrical/electronic equipment operating longer because of less signal flow problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
If you want to visit the CAIG Laboratories web site:
 
http://www.caig.com/
 
Quite a few years ago, I purchased them from MCM:  www.mcminone.com.
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth
 
 


>>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/16/04 04:30PM >>>
I used be a bicycle mechanic and even then I would try to talk people out of
using WD-40. The stuff is a dirt magnet, which does indeed make it good for
cleaning, but beware if you didn't get it all flushed/wiped off afterwards. Dust
and dirt adhere to it, creating a nasty stickly slurry that wreaked havoc on
bike parts. I shudder to think what it does to precision electronics. 

So, what was the name (again) of the preferred products for electronics? I know
it was just posted on the list, but I lost the post.
best wishes to all,
Fred

"Guns are population control for NRA members, that's the only reason to keep
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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Wed Feb 18 23:49:48 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:49:48 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
	Dragondeck "
References: <000001c3f5b4$16d23860$ab68893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002c01c3f671$837b9e80$fe8ee2c3@fredporter>

Yes, I had one (a laugh that is) when I saw that!

Sinclair
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:13 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
Dragondeck "


> Guys
>
> Want a laugh?  Go see
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078147784&category=478
> 4
>
> Gra'
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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Wed Feb 18 23:50:31 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:50:31 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
	Dragondeck "
References: <000101c3f5b4$74498700$ab68893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003301c3f671$9d204160$fe8ee2c3@fredporter>

And to think I passed up a CR-4 for a Dragon!
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:16 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE Super-Nak ???? Quote: "Better than the famed
Dragondeck "


> Heavens!  There's a rash of  'em ....
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3274705447&category=277
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From jablue at swindiana.net  Wed Feb 18 23:56:44 2004
From: jablue at swindiana.net (Jim Blue)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:56:44 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
In-Reply-To: <200402181100.i1IB0Nju006221@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <KHEBLDPLHIOKAFMFJJLLKEMLCBAA.jablue@swindiana.net>


Hello everyone,

I have been lurking here for some time now soaking up information as fast as
I can about the great decks.
 I purchased, on e-bay, a 581 from Ol' Jim, hisself and as this was my first
Nak deck consider myself very fortunate to be able to experience it.
Certainly sounds superior to CD's to my old ears.

The reason for my e-mail is the recent thread of making fun of the "dumb"
people overbidding on e-bay. I was fortunate to have connected with a
honest, intelligent person when I bought my machine. Not everyone is that
fortunate and rather than making fun of people you should be working harder
to educate them.

I still have a lot to learn about my Nak and look forward to learning from
the people in this group. I do not want to learn how to belittle people for
entertainment. I'd rather listen to music for my entertainment.

Thanks,

Jim Blue




From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Feb 19 01:35:21 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:35:21 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
In-Reply-To: <KHEBLDPLHIOKAFMFJJLLKEMLCBAA.jablue@swindiana.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3f680$41ecf180$1671893e@oemcomputer>

Fair point, Jim, but I doubt the people paying too much for Nak's are doing
so out of ignorance.  It may seem they have more money than sense!  But more
as like, they just enjoy spending their money, the thrill of an auction and
the buzz of winning.  If that seems plain daft ... well, that's an opinion
and probably one that's just as valid as spending more money than one may
have had to do except one wants that thrill NOW rather than later, when a
more reasonable price could be had.  There is also a big difference in
values of Nakamichi decks depending on which country to live in, too.  UK
prices for, say, a CR-7 will seem crazy to many of the guys in the USA
because they can be at 50% or much more on top of what you would expect to
pay for the same deck in the US.  However, Nak decks have always been more
expensive in the UK and the service engineer in the UK is one of the few
remaining in the World where there are still some stocks of spares available
at reasonable prices (although they are rapidly running out) which makes
owning a Nak in the UK slightly more cost effective than having one in the
USA, where the rarity value of spares tends to be exploited rather more
rigorously than they are in the UK!  There are also folk out there who are
buying Nakamichi decks not to use them but simply to collect them, and some
of them don't care how much they pay just so long as it looks pretty!  (I
know of a guy in Holland who has THREE gold plated Dragon's.  My guy
reaction is to say "What the H#ll does he need three of them for, and why
gold plated?"  The answer is probably for the same reason that some folk
like to wear a $1k Rolex and others will be happy with a $30 Swatch ... they
both tell the time just as accurately ... but some folk feel good wearing
$1k and others prefer to spend as little as possible for something that's
just as accurate a time piece ...

Now, in this virtual club you will find a bunch of folk who do not collect
Naks as show pieces.  They generally buy Nak's to use them ... because they
are largely the finest cassette decks ever made in terms of recording and
playback quality.  The engineers amongst the group may  also admire them for
their design and other engineering qualities.  But the over-riding
consideration is "Do they faithfully record and play back the music that one
can otherwise hear from the tuner, CD player or record deck?"  Yes, they do.
In other words, most of the guys are PRACTICAL, down-to-earth fellows who
love their music and enjoy true hi fidelity.  They love their Nak's because
these machines indulge their love of music and hi fi.  So, being practical
chaps, they can be scornful of folk who are not so "practical", who may be
machismo collectors, who will buy at any price just to win the auction and
own a bit of audio history.  These guys don't want museum pieces, they want
working machines.  And I'd bet my last shirt that almost every one of the
regular contributors will desert their Nak's just as soon as it is no longer
cost-effective to keep them working.  Some have already begun because it is
no longer cost effective to keep some Nak's running because the spares have
run out.

Thence, if you want to find great knowledge about the Nak's, you must rub
shoulders with a lot of folk who have that practical nature and their scorn
for the pure collectors goes with the territory.

Besides, most of the guys reserve the bulk of their ire not for the people
who pay too much for a Nak, but for the crooks who flog dead ones as "mint"
or otherwise misrepresent the goods they are selling, like that #####
(con-artiste?) who claims a CR-4 is better than a Dragon.

Back to the music ... Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings ... Excuse me while
I go for the box of paper hankies ...

Cheers

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim Blue
> Sent: 18 February 2004 22:57
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have been lurking here for some time now soaking up information
> as fast as
> I can about the great decks.
>  I purchased, on e-bay, a 581 from Ol' Jim, hisself and as this
> was my first
> Nak deck consider myself very fortunate to be able to experience it.
> Certainly sounds superior to CD's to my old ears.
>
> The reason for my e-mail is the recent thread of making fun of the "dumb"
> people overbidding on e-bay. I was fortunate to have connected with a
> honest, intelligent person when I bought my machine. Not everyone is that
> fortunate and rather than making fun of people you should be
> working harder
> to educate them.
>
> I still have a lot to learn about my Nak and look forward to learning from
> the people in this group. I do not want to learn how to belittle
> people for
> entertainment. I'd rather listen to music for my entertainment.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Blue
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Feb 19 02:11:18 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:11:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
References: <000001c3f680$41ecf180$1671893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006501c3f685$48b8a6d0$b45aba8c@johnnyrotten>

Great stuff Gra'! When I first saw the movie Platoon I couldn't wait to find
out what the music was on the big screen. The 1st. viewing thrilled me,
seeing it years later made me feel almost sick.

Your Limey buddy ;-)
JT

Back to the music ... Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings ... Excuse me while
I go for the box of paper hankies ...

Cheers

Gra'





From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Feb 19 02:12:11 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:12:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 51
In-Reply-To: naktalk-request@naks.com's message of Thu, 19 Feb 2004
	01:48:39 +0100
Message-ID: <48-40340D6B-502@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

wow-i finally found how to continue a thread!,thanks graham for that
very precise echoe of my sentiments on Nak-collecting.it reminds me of
the story of a vintage musical instrument collector,who shall remain
nameless(after the goldrush,harvest)who literally has bought every piece
of the vintage FENDER amps he can find.He now needs a warehouse to store
them all.yes it is a good investment to buy three gold plated
dragons,and yes, it is "hording'.From what i understand these machines
must be played regularly.hope hes doing that.

thank you very much,
gerald



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 19 02:17:25 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:17:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1247pIzEIMlgH0000b66d@hotmail.com>

Jim:

The bottom line here is that the seller is engaging in the boldest form of 
"puffery" or embellishment I have ever seen...the fact that some of the 
group react as they do is normal..I truly believe this seller is at best a 
fool and at worst a thief..because he establishes his own reality.

Neil
PS....E-Bay is most times a body of water full of sharks.


>From: "Jim Blue" <jablue at swindiana.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:56:44 -0600
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I have been lurking here for some time now soaking up information as fast 
>as
>I can about the great decks.
>  I purchased, on e-bay, a 581 from Ol' Jim, hisself and as this was my 
>first
>Nak deck consider myself very fortunate to be able to experience it.
>Certainly sounds superior to CD's to my old ears.
>
>The reason for my e-mail is the recent thread of making fun of the "dumb"
>people overbidding on e-bay. I was fortunate to have connected with a
>honest, intelligent person when I bought my machine. Not everyone is that
>fortunate and rather than making fun of people you should be working harder
>to educate them.
>
>I still have a lot to learn about my Nak and look forward to learning from
>the people in this group. I do not want to learn how to belittle people for
>entertainment. I'd rather listen to music for my entertainment.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim Blue
>
>
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Thu Feb 19 02:18:27 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:18:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
References: <KHEBLDPLHIOKAFMFJJLLKEMLCBAA.jablue@swindiana.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c3f686$474c7730$6601a8c0@cn593434a>

Jim,

I think that if you read carefully, you will find that the fun is being
directed at the antics of the seller, not the buyer.  Though I will agree
with you that education is perhaps the nobelest of endevours.  And for
everything in between, caveat emptor!  (with my apologies in advance if I
happened to not know the exact latin spelling).

Dean


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Blue" <jablue at swindiana.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:56 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50


>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have been lurking here for some time now soaking up information as fast
as
> I can about the great decks.
>  I purchased, on e-bay, a 581 from Ol' Jim, hisself and as this was my
first
> Nak deck consider myself very fortunate to be able to experience it.
> Certainly sounds superior to CD's to my old ears.
>
> The reason for my e-mail is the recent thread of making fun of the "dumb"
> people overbidding on e-bay. I was fortunate to have connected with a
> honest, intelligent person when I bought my machine. Not everyone is that
> fortunate and rather than making fun of people you should be working
harder
> to educate them.
>
> I still have a lot to learn about my Nak and look forward to learning from
> the people in this group. I do not want to learn how to belittle people
for
> entertainment. I'd rather listen to music for my entertainment.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Blue
>
>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Feb 19 03:33:59 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:33:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F1247pIzEIMlgH0000b66d@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F1247pIzEIMlgH0000b66d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40342097.9050301@rcn.com>

neil lipes wrote:
> Jim:
> 
> The bottom line here is that the seller is engaging in the boldest form 
> of "puffery" or embellishment I have ever seen...the fact that some of 
> the group react as they do is normal..I truly believe this seller is at 
> best a fool and at worst a thief..because he establishes his own reality.
> 
> Neil
> PS....E-Bay is most times a body of water full of sharks.

I always thought it was more akin to a body of water filled
with leeches.

-- Ron

> 
> 
>> From: "Jim Blue" <jablue at swindiana.net>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:56:44 -0600
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have been lurking here for some time now soaking up information as 
>> fast as
>> I can about the great decks.
>>  I purchased, on e-bay, a 581 from Ol' Jim, hisself and as this was my 
>> first
>> Nak deck consider myself very fortunate to be able to experience it.
>> Certainly sounds superior to CD's to my old ears.
>>
>> The reason for my e-mail is the recent thread of making fun of the "dumb"
>> people overbidding on e-bay. I was fortunate to have connected with a
>> honest, intelligent person when I bought my machine. Not everyone is that
>> fortunate and rather than making fun of people you should be working 
>> harder
>> to educate them.
>>
>> I still have a lot to learn about my Nak and look forward to learning 
>> from
>> the people in this group. I do not want to learn how to belittle 
>> people for
>> entertainment. I'd rather listen to music for my entertainment.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim Blue




From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb 19 08:29:59 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:29:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
References: <000001c3f680$41ecf180$1671893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002401c3f6ba$2e83ded0$5a773242@CopyTech>

Holy shit, Gra', you got poet today and I liked it very much. Yes Jim, I was
the one who called these ignorant sellers dumb because that's exactlty how
they act. Most of the sellers we have seen lately at e.bay don't know shit
about what they are selling and tends to confused (some times on purpose)
the buyer with misrepresentations and disparate crazy adjectives. Yesterday,
you just saw a bunch of examples but I can give you one: Many people are
making a fortune with e.bay. They are estate liquidators that buy everything
from a t-shirt to a car. Usually, they don't even know what they are buying.
In the case of a Nakamichi; they find one of these decks in the package. As
soon as they see the brand "Nakamichi" they believe they have discovered
gold in San Francisco as in the gold rush era. Immediately, they take it to
e.bay, many times with the excuse " I don't know nothing about electronics
and don't have the equipment to test it but it turned on and the lights are
working" Most of the time this is bullshit. They are selling one of the
least desirable naks or sometimes it is just a "junker". I found one
yesterday saying: "MR-1 Pro Deck: Best cassette ever made?" For us, in this
Nak hobby, that's simply ridiculous and misleading but for any other person
looking for a Nak deck seems appealing.

You have to be careful, especially now with this e.bay frenzy. I never
forget a guy from Canada saying that his Revox B 710 MK II was mint and
almost never used. I bought it and when the deck arrived it didn't even run
!!!! I don't have to tell you that safe harbor or him did absolutely nothing
and the buyer, in this case me, after spending $400+ in the machine send it
to TN for repairs.

So, hang on for a while with this bunch of maniacs and you'll learn a lot
about this ancient art of cassette recording and Nak collecting.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50


> Fair point, Jim, but I doubt the people paying too much for Nak's are
doing
> so out of ignorance.  It may seem they have more money than sense! ...



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Feb 19 05:14:30 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:14:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] for sale- 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN"
Message-ID: <28384-40343826-1364@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

in light of the recent events on e-bay,i have been encouraged to list my
tri-tracer starting at 700 dollars u.s.- Heres the ad. what do you
think?...  For auction ,Nakamichi 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN".This machine
uses all-non sourced 'DRAGON" components!Sonically,it is very difficult
to tell the difference between these two decks while listening to both
at the same time.    This  "DRAGGUN"deck weighs MORE than the
"DRAGON'!  Side by side you really could not tell the difference between
the two decks unless you actually looked.Listening comparisons at the
famed BELLVUE institution   published results confirming that in
blind-deaf a-b  audtions of the two components,both were so sonically
different they actually sounded the same.The tests were repeated with
both channels inverted and the judges underwater in g-string bikinis and
the results were the same.    also ,the 700 tri-tracer is noisier(when
strapped to the hood of your vehicle at speeds in excess of 40 mph,)of
course,if you wont be going over 35 that wont matter much.bidding starts
at the redicoulous price of 700 dollars and free shippng is available
for a nominal charge.


thank you very much,
gerald



From mdevera at compuserve.com  Thu Feb 19 07:56:23 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:56:23 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] If you can't hear the 15k tone,
	does that mean you're deaf?
In-Reply-To: <002401c3f6ba$2e83ded0$5a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000701c3f6b5$7cff3780$1e01000a@c994264f>

A Dragon has a separate 40Hz tone and a 15kHz tone for calibration. I
hear the 40Hz tone, but not the 15k bias tone. There is a 15 kHz tone
correct? Gosh - I would hate to think my hearing is starting to slip. 

There is a nice hearing test on Siemens's website. It states I don't
have a hearing impairment ... Please visit it. My results are skewed
against me since I used speakers with a TV in the background.

http://www.hearing-siemens.com/00_en/50_besserhoeren/54_Hoertest/54_heor
test1.jsp

I filled the low three panels - give it a run, and give us a feedback ..




From ti at amb.org  Thu Feb 19 08:31:26 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:31:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] If you can't hear the 15k tone,
In-Reply-To: <000701c3f6b5$7cff3780$1e01000a@c994264f> from "Mike deVera" at
	Feb 18, 2004 10:56:23 PM
Message-ID: <200402190731.HAA06839@amb.org>

Mike deVera writes:
> A Dragon has a separate 40Hz tone and a 15kHz tone for calibration. I
> hear the 40Hz tone, but not the 15k bias tone. There is a 15 kHz tone
> correct? Gosh - I would hate to think my hearing is starting to slip. 

It's 400Hz and 15KHz.  Anyway, the 15KHz tone is 20dB attenuated
compared to the 400Hz tone, so it's going to be a lot "fainter"
in level.  I can hear the 15KHz tone distinctly, and it's easier
to hear when you switch the tape monitor to "source", so that the
tone is not buried in tape hiss.  Use good quality headphones with
useful response to well above 15KHz.

-Ti
-- 
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   2 4 6


From lists at richardhess.com  Thu Feb 19 08:35:55 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:35:55 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
In-Reply-To: <000701c3f6b5$7cff3780$1e01000a@c994264f>
References: <002401c3f6ba$2e83ded0$5a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1>

I don't know if you guys were laughing at me for hoarding, but I found two 
more really well-cared-for Dragons (same seller) and couldn't resist 
grabbing them. However, but one is showing its age a bit and the pressure 
roller arm sleeve bearings are gummed up.

Anyone know the best way of freeing them up and relubricating them?

How do those little brass retainers come off?

I have the service manual and it's not clear.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Richard

(Dragonlover)
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm




From ti at amb.org  Thu Feb 19 08:42:18 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:42:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1> from "Richard L.
	Hess" at Feb 18, 2004 11:35:55 PM
Message-ID: <200402190742.HAA06990@amb.org>

Richard L. Hess writes:
> (Dragonlover)
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm

Wow, there's an impressive room of equipment!

-Ti
-- 
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   2 4 6


From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Feb 19 09:02:18 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:02:18 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <000201c3f6be$b1cc9620$7978893e@oemcomputer>

No Richard, I'm sure no one's laughing at YOU 'cos you hoard 'em to play
later, when the current one is broken!  :o)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Richard L. Hess
> Sent: 19 February 2004 07:36
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
>
>
> I don't know if you guys were laughing at me for hoarding, but I
> found two
> more really well-cared-for Dragons (same seller) and couldn't resist
> grabbing them. However, but one is showing its age a bit and the pressure
> roller arm sleeve bearings are gummed up.
>
> Anyone know the best way of freeing them up and relubricating them?
>
> How do those little brass retainers come off?
>
> I have the service manual and it's not clear.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Richard
>
> (Dragonlover)
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
>
>
>
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From lists at richardhess.com  Thu Feb 19 09:25:47 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:25:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
In-Reply-To: <000201c3f6be$b1cc9620$7978893e@oemcomputer>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040219002405.0550b008@127.0.0.1>

At 08:02 AM 2/19/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>No Richard, I'm sure no one's laughing at YOU 'cos you hoard 'em to play
>later, when the current one is broken!  :o)
>
>Gra'


Thanks...that makes me feel better. They do a great job...it's amazing how 
many people want to hear their grandparent's voices! The auto-azimuth makes 
my life easier.

Also thanks for the kind words Ti Kan.

Anyone have an answer to lubing the pressure roller arm sleeve bearing?

Cheers,

Richard




From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Thu Feb 19 13:00:29 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:00:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] for sale- 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN"
Message-ID: <s0345f25.013@mail.anderson.edu>

Gerald,
 
You either need to get out more often, or start writing professionally, provided you don't already do that.  You do have a talent here.  Thanks for the bright spot in a gloomy, for me, time.
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth


>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 02/18/04 11:14PM >>>
in light of the recent events on e-bay,i have been encouraged to list my
tri-tracer starting at 700 dollars u.s.- Heres the ad. what do you
think?...  For auction ,Nakamichi 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN".This machine
uses all-non sourced 'DRAGON" components!Sonically,it is very difficult
to tell the difference between these two decks while listening to both
at the same time.    This  "DRAGGUN"deck weighs MORE than the
"DRAGON'!  Side by side you really could not tell the difference between
the two decks unless you actually looked.Listening comparisons at the
famed BELLVUE institution   published results confirming that in
blind-deaf a-b  audtions of the two components,both were so sonically
different they actually sounded the same.The tests were repeated with
both channels inverted and the judges underwater in g-string bikinis and
the results were the same.    also ,the 700 tri-tracer is noisier(when
strapped to the hood of your vehicle at speeds in excess of 40 mph,)of
course,if you wont be going over 35 that wont matter much.bidding starts
at the redicoulous price of 700 dollars and free shippng is available
for a nominal charge.


thank you very much,
gerald

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From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:44:13 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Ultimate playback Nak
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From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Thu Feb 19 14:24:52 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:24:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Ultimate playback Nak
In-Reply-To: <19953944@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <403472D4.2301.46A38CA@localhost>

wow, Fred, that sounds like fun.  And I've always liked magnepans, they're just easy  
on the ears.  Sounds like you need a deck with auto playback azimuth, of course, but 
you'll have difficulty finding a working Dragon within the budget you've set for 
yourself.  Why not go really eccentric and pick up a Nak TD-1200 car deck?  It's 
playback only, line output, auto azimuth, and has a good tuner to boot.  

Make sure the stylus on your B&O is still good, they're getting hard to find.

On 17 Feb 2004 at 15:36, Fred Lifton wrote:

Date sent:      	17 Feb 2004 15:36:10 PST
From:           	Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
To:             	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:        	[naktalk] Ultimate playback Nak
Send reply to:  	Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
	<mailto:naktalk-request at naks.com?subject=unsubscribe>
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> Hello all,
> I'm currently putting together a new system for upstairs. Since I am a
> poor audiophile (sniff, sniff) I have set myself the challenge of
> doing the whole system from ebay, all vintage components for under
> $1000. So far I have a pair of Magnepan MGII-i, an Adcom 555 power
> amp, Luxman C-02 pre-amp, B&0 6002 turntable, a crappy Kenwood tuner
> (who cares about FM anymore?) and (for fun) a Luxman graphic EQ with
> lots of pretty lights. Guess what's missing? (other than a sub)
> 
> Right, the Nak! So here's the question: what is the ideal Nak for
> playback only? I have a CR3a downstairs on my "main" system that I use
> for recording. So, my criteria for the second deck, in order, are: 1.
> Great, warm, natural sound 2. Reliability (low cost of ownership) 3.
> Low, low price 4. Cool retro styling (LX series?)
> 
> What do your collective brains think, oh wise ones?
> 
> (BTW, yes, I am still under a thousand! ;-)
> 
> looking forward to your responses,
> best,
> Fred
> 
> "Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class" Al Capone
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Feb 19 14:42:24 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:42:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Ultimate playback Nak
Message-ID: <s034d973.095@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Fred,

I would suggest a Nakamichi with playback azimuth control.  One with
classical Nak looks - that's a bit harder.  A Dragon of course is a
logical choice but will not be budget friendly.  Some of the nicer DR-1s
around can still cost quite a bit.  Putting aside playback azimuth for a
second and considering retro-styling more, I would certainly rate either
the LX series or one of the 680s.

You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting terrestrial
digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where you
are!! 

Cheers,

Marc


>>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/18/04 01:36AM >>>
Hello all,
I'm currently putting together a new system for upstairs. Since I am a
poor
audiophile (sniff, sniff) I have set myself the challenge of doing the
whole
system from ebay, all vintage components for under $1000. So far I have
a pair
of Magnepan MGII-i, an Adcom 555 power amp, Luxman C-02 pre-amp, B&0
6002
turntable, a crappy Kenwood tuner (who cares about FM anymore?) and
(for fun) a
Luxman graphic EQ with lots of pretty lights. Guess what's missing?
(other than
a sub)

Right, the Nak! So here's the question: what is the ideal Nak for
playback only?
I have a CR3a downstairs on my "main" system that I use for recording.
So, my
criteria for the second deck, in order, are:
1. Great, warm, natural sound
2. Reliability (low cost of ownership)
3. Low, low price
4. Cool retro styling (LX series?)

What do your collective brains think, oh wise ones?

(BTW, yes, I am still under a thousand! ;-)

looking forward to your responses,
best,
Fred

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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Feb 19 14:43:17 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:43:17 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Ultimate playback Nak
References: <19953944@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <004c01c3f6f3$4afd35a0$c1299bca@aisha>


Hi Fred,

An LX5 would suit all your points especially that you didn't mention
recording facility.  The problem is finding one with a good paint condition.
Re-painting both doors helped a lot but faded knobs still distract
attention.  Interestingly my LX is among one of the least problematic Naks
that I have.

If you like the looks, Cass deck 1 can also be had for low price on ebay.
Its play head trim is unique (in ebay language: better than a dragon !) in
that it's manually adjusted.  Very handy for playback.

Cheers,
Salim SM (big fan of kenwood tuners =)


----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Lifton
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 6:36 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Ultimate playback Nak


Hello all,
I'm currently putting together a new system for upstairs. Since I am a poor
audiophile (sniff, sniff) I have set myself the challenge of doing the whole
system from ebay, all vintage components for under $1000. So far I have a
pair
of Magnepan MGII-i, an Adcom 555 power amp, Luxman C-02 pre-amp, B&0 6002
turntable, a crappy Kenwood tuner (who cares about FM anymore?) and (for
fun) a
Luxman graphic EQ with lots of pretty lights. Guess what's missing? (other
than
a sub)

Right, the Nak! So here's the question: what is the ideal Nak for playback
only?
I have a CR3a downstairs on my "main" system that I use for recording. So,
my
criteria for the second deck, in order, are:
1. Great, warm, natural sound
2. Reliability (low cost of ownership)
3. Low, low price
4. Cool retro styling (LX series?)

What do your collective brains think, oh wise ones?

(BTW, yes, I am still under a thousand! ;-)

looking forward to your responses,
best,
Fred



From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Feb 19 15:18:40 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:18:40 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
References: <002401c3f6ba$2e83ded0$5a773242@CopyTech>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <004d01c3f6f3$4bacaf80$c1299bca@aisha>


Hi Richard,

What a nice studio !

Getting the brass retainer out is easy ... putting them back where they
properly belong, without help of nak guide height jig, is a completely
different story.  I'd strongly suggest to leave them where they are, and try
to work out the jammed arm manually back and forth carefully and slowly with
small drop of alcohol / lubricant until they loosen up a bit.

Messing tape guide in a regular nak is not a real sin, but completely
unacceptable in a dragon .. as it can easily result in an increasing
appetite to eat tapes, either forward direction or reverse.  The combination
of reverse directions, swinging tape guides and tilting pb head leaves very
little room for misalignment.

If you have the Nak jig then you can wiggle out the brass retainer using
screwdriver as a wedge.  I messed with the righthand guide once and it was
almost full time job to set it correctly.  =)

Good luck !
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard L. Hess
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?


I don't know if you guys were laughing at me for hoarding, but I found two
more really well-cared-for Dragons (same seller) and couldn't resist
grabbing them. However, but one is showing its age a bit and the pressure
roller arm sleeve bearings are gummed up.

Anyone know the best way of freeing them up and relubricating them?

How do those little brass retainers come off?

I have the service manual and it's not clear.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Richard

(Dragonlover)
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm





From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 19 15:48:36 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:48:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] for sale- 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN"
Message-ID: <BAY2-F517TWSEVU29Ah0001ca21@hotmail.com>

Jerry:

I love this!!!

You should get paid for this kind of copywriting!


>From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] for sale- 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN"
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:14:30 -0600 (CST)
>
>in light of the recent events on e-bay,i have been encouraged to list my
>tri-tracer starting at 700 dollars u.s.- Heres the ad. what do you
>think?...  For auction ,Nakamichi 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN".This machine
>uses all-non sourced 'DRAGON" components!Sonically,it is very difficult
>to tell the difference between these two decks while listening to both
>at the same time.    This  "DRAGGUN"deck weighs MORE than the
>"DRAGON'!  Side by side you really could not tell the difference between
>the two decks unless you actually looked.Listening comparisons at the
>famed BELLVUE institution   published results confirming that in
>blind-deaf a-b  audtions of the two components,both were so sonically
>different they actually sounded the same.The tests were repeated with
>both channels inverted and the judges underwater in g-string bikinis and
>the results were the same.    also ,the 700 tri-tracer is noisier(when
>strapped to the hood of your vehicle at speeds in excess of 40 mph,)of
>course,if you wont be going over 35 that wont matter much.bidding starts
>at the redicoulous price of 700 dollars and free shippng is available
>for a nominal charge.
>
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Feb 19 16:56:30 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:56:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] If you can't hear the 15k tone,
	does that mean you're deaf?
Message-ID: <4dd556d4dd6bad.4dd6bad4dd556d@vsnl.net>

Mike 
it is normal for many adults not being able to hear 15 Khz tone! It is believed that only small kids can hear such high frequency tones while even older kids cannot hear above 14 Khz normally and 20 Khz tone is still worse. Despite such short comings human hearing perceives hormonics beyond 30- to 40 Khz in blind tests. So do not worry these and such signals - above 10 Khz part - are generally in -40 dB range in music! No wonder even we could enjoy many low end cassette players with less than perfect HF capabilities!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike deVera <mdevera at compuserve.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:56 pm
Subject: [naktalk] If you can't hear the 15k tone,	does that mean you're deaf?

> A Dragon has a separate 40Hz tone and a 15kHz tone for 
> calibration. I
> hear the 40Hz tone, but not the 15k bias tone. There is a 15 kHz tone
> correct? Gosh - I would hate to think my hearing is starting to 
> slip. 
> 
> There is a nice hearing test on Siemens's website. It states I don't
> have a hearing impairment ... Please visit it. My results are skewed
> against me since I used speakers with a TV in the background.
> 
> http://www.hearing-
> siemens.com/00_en/50_besserhoeren/54_Hoertest/54_heortest1.jsp
> 
> I filled the low three panels - give it a run, and give us a 
> feedback ..
> 
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From roleo at telus.net  Thu Feb 19 17:01:25 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:01:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM 
References: <19953944@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <003101c3f701$a0c8ad80$6401a8c0@desktop>

Hi Fred!

When it comes to your search for a Nak Deck, I'm not exactly sure what "Low, Low Price" translates
to in Dollars, but there are some great deals to be had in cassette decks --- to me, it seems
prices are dropping.  I just picked up a mint CR-5a for $225.00 this past week, and I saw a DR-1 in
excellent condition go for $189.00.  Not long ago (just a few months) these would have cost double.

Dragons and CR-7's still command the price they have for a while, but if you're on a budget but
have time on your side, keep watching and anything is possible.  A good place to look is the Single
Cassette Deck section of E-bay, as they appear on the market.

http://electronics.listings.ebay.com/Cassette-Decks_Single-Cassette_W0QQlotrZ1QQsacategoryZ4784QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsocolumnlayoutZ3

Sometimes a buyer will have a "Buy It Now" price that is very reasonable.  Checking here allows you
to see them all as they appear on "the Bay".  It also allows you find Nakamichi's that are listed
with mis-spelt words -- such as Nackamichi, Nakamich or Nakmichi.   In addition they also appear
here (usually an hour) before they are available by a word search.

On the subject of FM -- "Who Cares about FM anymore?"  the answer is, I do!!

I have always loved FM since I was a kid and I'm getting back into it.  I have two Nakamichi
tuners, but want to find a good Pioneer Receiver from the late 70's as well -- they had great
tuners and great sound.

Just picked up a Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna and look forward to mounting it in a good spot
outside.  I'm hoping it will be an improvement to cable FM (I also have Satellite -- but not
impressed with the sound), but the best part is picking up stations that aren't available by Cable.
I live in Vancouver, north of Seattle.  Maybe on a good day I'll pick up Oregon? -- we'll see.

Anybody else FM freaks?

-- Roland




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:36 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Ultimate playback Nak


> Hello all,
> I'm currently putting together a new system for upstairs. Since I am a poor
> audiophile (sniff, sniff) I have set myself the challenge of doing the whole
> system from ebay, all vintage components for under $1000. So far I have a pair
> of Magnepan MGII-i, an Adcom 555 power amp, Luxman C-02 pre-amp, B&0 6002
> turntable, a crappy Kenwood tuner (who cares about FM anymore?) and (for fun) a
> Luxman graphic EQ with lots of pretty lights. Guess what's missing? (other than
> a sub)
>
> Right, the Nak! So here's the question: what is the ideal Nak for playback only?
> I have a CR3a downstairs on my "main" system that I use for recording. So, my
> criteria for the second deck, in order, are:
> 1. Great, warm, natural sound
> 2. Reliability (low cost of ownership)
> 3. Low, low price
> 4. Cool retro styling (LX series?)
>
> What do your collective brains think, oh wise ones?
>
> (BTW, yes, I am still under a thousand! ;-)
>
> looking forward to your responses,
> best,
> Fred
>
> "Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class" Al Capone
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Feb 19 17:34:30 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:34:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM
Message-ID: <4de47d54de1336.4de13364de47d5@vsnl.net>

My sincere suggestion is getting only a three head Nak ( they are far ahead of 2 head naks)as the prices are down right now. Generally look for trouble free one unless you are equipped to troubleshoot yourself
Be prepared to spend up to 200 $- you will find nice ones
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Roland Alford <roleo at telus.net>
Date: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:01 am
Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM

> Hi Fred!
> 
> When it comes to your search for a Nak Deck, I'm not exactly sure 
> what "Low, Low Price" translates
> to in Dollars, but there are some great deals to be had in 
> cassette decks --- to me, it seems
> prices are dropping.  I just picked up a mint CR-5a for $225.00 
> this past week, and I saw a DR-1 in
> excellent condition go for $189.00.  Not long ago (just a few 
> months) these would have cost double.
> 
> Dragons and CR-7's still command the price they have for a while, 
> but if you're on a budget but
> have time on your side, keep watching and anything is possible.  A 
> good place to look is the Single
> Cassette Deck section of E-bay, as they appear on the market.
> 
> http://electronics.listings.ebay.com/Cassette-Decks_Single-
> Cassette_W0QQlotrZ1QQsacategoryZ4784QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsocolumnlayoutZ3
> Sometimes a buyer will have a "Buy It Now" price that is very 
> reasonable.  Checking here allows you
> to see them all as they appear on "the Bay".  It also allows you 
> find Nakamichi's that are listed
> with mis-spelt words -- such as Nackamichi, Nakamich or Nakmichi.  
> In addition they also appear
> here (usually an hour) before they are available by a word search.
> 
> On the subject of FM -- "Who Cares about FM anymore?"  the answer 
> is, I do!!
> 
> I have always loved FM since I was a kid and I'm getting back into 
> it.  I have two Nakamichi
> tuners, but want to find a good Pioneer Receiver from the late 
> 70's as well -- they had great
> tuners and great sound.
> 
> Just picked up a Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna and look forward to 
> mounting it in a good spot
> outside.  I'm hoping it will be an improvement to cable FM (I also 
> have Satellite -- but not
> impressed with the sound), but the best part is picking up 
> stations that aren't available by Cable.
> I live in Vancouver, north of Seattle.  Maybe on a good day I'll 
> pick up Oregon? -- we'll see.
> 
> Anybody else FM freaks?
> 
> -- Roland
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:36 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Ultimate playback Nak
> 
> 
> > Hello all,
> > I'm currently putting together a new system for upstairs. Since 
> I am a poor
> > audiophile (sniff, sniff) I have set myself the challenge of 
> doing the whole
> > system from ebay, all vintage components for under $1000. So far 
> I have a pair
> > of Magnepan MGII-i, an Adcom 555 power amp, Luxman C-02 pre-amp, 
> B&0 6002
> > turntable, a crappy Kenwood tuner (who cares about FM anymore?) 
> and (for fun) a
> > Luxman graphic EQ with lots of pretty lights. Guess what's 
> missing? (other than
> > a sub)
> >
> > Right, the Nak! So here's the question: what is the ideal Nak 
> for playback only?
> > I have a CR3a downstairs on my "main" system that I use for 
> recording. So, my
> > criteria for the second deck, in order, are:
> > 1. Great, warm, natural sound
> > 2. Reliability (low cost of ownership)
> > 3. Low, low price
> > 4. Cool retro styling (LX series?)
> >
> > What do your collective brains think, oh wise ones?
> >
> > (BTW, yes, I am still under a thousand! ;-)
> >
> > looking forward to your responses,
> > best,
> > Fred
> >
> > "Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class" Al Capone
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Thu Feb 19 18:08:00 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:08:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM
References: <4de47d54de1336.4de13364de47d5@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001901c3f70a$f23ccb70$e66523c8@g8nsv>

I can suggest a LX-5...I have seen 2 or 3 going for less than US$100 the
last 2 weeks. It is a good cassette player, 3 head and very easy to use. I
own one and love it. By the way I also have a Dragon, a 1000ZXL, CR-7 and
680ZX so I can compare it to these ones and trust me it is really good.

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM


> My sincere suggestion is getting only a three head Nak ( they are far
ahead of 2 head naks)as the prices are down right now. Generally look for
trouble free one unless you are equipped to troubleshoot yourself
> Be prepared to spend up to 200 $- you will find nice ones
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roland Alford <roleo at telus.net>
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:01 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM
>
> > Hi Fred!
> >
> > When it comes to your search for a Nak Deck, I'm not exactly sure
> > what "Low, Low Price" translates
> > to in Dollars, but there are some great deals to be had in
> > cassette decks --- to me, it seems
> > prices are dropping.  I just picked up a mint CR-5a for $225.00
> > this past week, and I saw a DR-1 in
> > excellent condition go for $189.00.  Not long ago (just a few
> > months) these would have cost double.
> >
> > Dragons and CR-7's still command the price they have for a while,
> > but if you're on a budget but
> > have time on your side, keep watching and anything is possible.  A
> > good place to look is the Single
> > Cassette Deck section of E-bay, as they appear on the market.
> >
> > http://electronics.listings.ebay.com/Cassette-Decks_Single-
> >
Cassette_W0QQlotrZ1QQsacategoryZ4784QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsocolumnlayoutZ
3
> > Sometimes a buyer will have a "Buy It Now" price that is very
> > reasonable.  Checking here allows you
> > to see them all as they appear on "the Bay".  It also allows you
> > find Nakamichi's that are listed
> > with mis-spelt words -- such as Nackamichi, Nakamich or Nakmichi.
> > In addition they also appear
> > here (usually an hour) before they are available by a word search.
> >
> > On the subject of FM -- "Who Cares about FM anymore?"  the answer
> > is, I do!!
> >
> > I have always loved FM since I was a kid and I'm getting back into
> > it.  I have two Nakamichi
> > tuners, but want to find a good Pioneer Receiver from the late
> > 70's as well -- they had great
> > tuners and great sound.
> >
> > Just picked up a Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna and look forward to
> > mounting it in a good spot
> > outside.  I'm hoping it will be an improvement to cable FM (I also
> > have Satellite -- but not
> > impressed with the sound), but the best part is picking up
> > stations that aren't available by Cable.
> > I live in Vancouver, north of Seattle.  Maybe on a good day I'll
> > pick up Oregon? -- we'll see.
> >
> > Anybody else FM freaks?
> >
> > -- Roland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:36 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Ultimate playback Nak
> >
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > > I'm currently putting together a new system for upstairs. Since
> > I am a poor
> > > audiophile (sniff, sniff) I have set myself the challenge of
> > doing the whole
> > > system from ebay, all vintage components for under $1000. So far
> > I have a pair
> > > of Magnepan MGII-i, an Adcom 555 power amp, Luxman C-02 pre-amp,
> > B&0 6002
> > > turntable, a crappy Kenwood tuner (who cares about FM anymore?)
> > and (for fun) a
> > > Luxman graphic EQ with lots of pretty lights. Guess what's
> > missing? (other than
> > > a sub)
> > >
> > > Right, the Nak! So here's the question: what is the ideal Nak
> > for playback only?
> > > I have a CR3a downstairs on my "main" system that I use for
> > recording. So, my
> > > criteria for the second deck, in order, are:
> > > 1. Great, warm, natural sound
> > > 2. Reliability (low cost of ownership)
> > > 3. Low, low price
> > > 4. Cool retro styling (LX series?)
> > >
> > > What do your collective brains think, oh wise ones?
> > >
> > > (BTW, yes, I am still under a thousand! ;-)
> > >
> > > looking forward to your responses,
> > > best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > "Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class" Al Capone
> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------
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From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com  Thu Feb 19 18:16:14 2004
From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:16:14 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM 
Message-ID: <D594367B02A8994A92A6B36C734CFA610FCF4A@uec16.ue.com>

oh yeah
  back in the 70's, the ol' brushed aluminum face, some with nice
wooden cabinets...they were to die for. back in the days when i
never had enough $$$ to consider such a purchase. many good brands
to choose from. wasnt difficult to make a good choice as a good
number of mfrs were turning out decent audio product. those were
the days! these days shopping for good audio is is a p.i.a., too
many choices, too many crappy units geared for mass market. much
less quality going into the tuner section.
  i have a few vintage recievers which i still use....great stuff!

-----Original Message-----
From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:01 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM 



On the subject of FM -- "Who Cares about FM anymore?"  the answer is, I do!!

I have always loved FM since I was a kid and I'm getting back into it.  I have two Nakamichi
tuners, but want to find a good Pioneer Receiver from the late 70's as well -- they had great
tuners and great sound.

Just picked up a Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna and look forward to mounting it in a good spot
outside.  I'm hoping it will be an improvement to cable FM (I also have Satellite -- but not
impressed with the sound), but the best part is picking up stations that aren't available by Cable.
I live in Vancouver, north of Seattle.  Maybe on a good day I'll pick up Oregon? -- we'll see.

Anybody else FM freaks?

-- Roland






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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Thu Feb 19 18:41:33 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:41:33 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM 
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Message-ID: <004701c3f70f$9dc4db00$431d0cd0@r7g1f8>

Yah Andy, I think FM is great.  I recently got a Magnum entry level tuner.
The sound is better than my Mac MR 74 !!!



Randall in Seattle
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> oh yeah
>   back in the 70's, the ol' brushed aluminum face, some with nice
> wooden cabinets...they were to die for. back in the days when i
> never had enough $$$ to consider such a purchase. many good brands
> to choose from. wasnt difficult to make a good choice as a good
> number of mfrs were turning out decent audio product. those were
> the days! these days shopping for good audio is is a p.i.a., too
> many choices, too many crappy units geared for mass market. much
> less quality going into the tuner section.
>   i have a few vintage recievers which i still use....great stuff!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:01 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM
>
>
>
> On the subject of FM -- "Who Cares about FM anymore?"  the answer is, I
do!!
>
> I have always loved FM since I was a kid and I'm getting back into it.  I
have two Nakamichi
> tuners, but want to find a good Pioneer Receiver from the late 70's as
well -- they had great
> tuners and great sound.
>
> Just picked up a Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna and look forward to mounting
it in a good spot
> outside.  I'm hoping it will be an improvement to cable FM (I also have
Satellite -- but not
> impressed with the sound), but the best part is picking up stations that
aren't available by Cable.
> I live in Vancouver, north of Seattle.  Maybe on a good day I'll pick up
Oregon? -- we'll see.
>
> Anybody else FM freaks?
>
> -- Roland
>
>
>
>
>
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 19 20:23:43 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:23:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20040219192343.9302.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>

I forgot how I got them off my deck, but, I can tell
you from experience you don't want to remove them.

Put the deck in play mode (without a tape) so the
pressure rollers should be against the capstans (but
probably aren't since the grease is so hard) and pull
the plug on the deck.  This should leave the mechanism
in the play mode.  This will give you a little more
wiggle room on the pressure rollers.  Soak the area in
alcohol or any other solvent that can dissolve the
grease, but, don't use the stronger stuff that can
melt the plastics (MEK, Acetone, etc.)  You know what,
you should play it safe and just use 99% alcohol.

Repeatedly push the pressure rollers down to help work
the grease loose and let the alcohol in.  It may help
to heat up the shaft with a small light bulb or
something.  Not too hot or it could melt the plastic.

After a few hours (or days) it should be free enough. 
Oil it with a fresh lubricant.


--- "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com> wrote:
> I don't know if you guys were laughing at me for
> hoarding, but I found two 
> more really well-cared-for Dragons (same seller) and
> couldn't resist 
> grabbing them. However, but one is showing its age a
> bit and the pressure 
> roller arm sleeve bearings are gummed up.
> 
> Anyone know the best way of freeing them up and
> relubricating them?
> 
> How do those little brass retainers come off?
> 
> I have the service manual and it's not clear.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Richard
> 
> (Dragonlover)
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> 
> 
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From lists at richardhess.com  Thu Feb 19 20:40:57 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:40:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
In-Reply-To: <20040219192343.9302.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040219192343.9302.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1077219657.403511495576f@aaryn.lunarpages.com>

Thank you, Scott...sounds good to me!

Cheers,

Richard
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Quoting Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>:

> I forgot how I got them off my deck, but, I can tell
> you from experience you don't want to remove them.
> 
> Put the deck in play mode (without a tape) so the
> pressure rollers should be against the capstans (but
> probably aren't since the grease is so hard) and pull
> the plug on the deck.  This should leave the mechanism
> in the play mode.  This will give you a little more
> wiggle room on the pressure rollers.  Soak the area in
> alcohol or any other solvent that can dissolve the
> grease, but, don't use the stronger stuff that can
> melt the plastics (MEK, Acetone, etc.)  You know what,
> you should play it safe and just use 99% alcohol.
> 
> Repeatedly push the pressure rollers down to help work
> the grease loose and let the alcohol in.  It may help
> to heat up the shaft with a small light bulb or
> something.  Not too hot or it could melt the plastic.
> 
> After a few hours (or days) it should be free enough. 
> Oil it with a fresh lubricant.
> 
> 
> --- "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com> wrote:
> > I don't know if you guys were laughing at me for
> > hoarding, but I found two 
> > more really well-cared-for Dragons (same seller) and
> > couldn't resist 
> > grabbing them. However, but one is showing its age a
> > bit and the pressure 
> > roller arm sleeve bearings are gummed up.
> > 
> > Anyone know the best way of freeing them up and
> > relubricating them?
> > 
> > How do those little brass retainers come off?
> > 
> > I have the service manual and it's not clear.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > (Dragonlover)
> > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> > 
> > 
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From hpyjax at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 19 17:49:17 2004
From: hpyjax at sbcglobal.net (hpyjax)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:49:17 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] " Nakamichi Cassette 2" model
Message-ID: <000e01c3f708$515e27f0$ed95fea9@yourw04gtxld67>

I had a question from an individual about a deck. 
 He said the model was simply called " Nakamichi Cassette 2" model.
Can you tell if it goes by another number or name?
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Thu Feb 19 19:25:21 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:25:21 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
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From richard at richardhess.com  Thu Feb 19 18:51:37 2004
From: richard at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:51:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
In-Reply-To: <004d01c3f6f3$4bacaf80$c1299bca@aisha>
References: <002401c3f6ba$2e83ded0$5a773242@CopyTech>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1>
	<004d01c3f6f3$4bacaf80$c1299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <1077213097.4034f7a9cb1df@aaryn.lunarpages.com>

Thank you, Salim, for the kind words and for the information. I may send it 
through TAP electronics after your description.

I'd love to get a set of gauges, but I fear it's probably prohibitive.

Cheers,

Richard
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Quoting Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>:

> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> What a nice studio !
> 
> Getting the brass retainer out is easy ... putting them back where they
> properly belong, without help of nak guide height jig, is a completely
> different story.  I'd strongly suggest to leave them where they are, and try
> to work out the jammed arm manually back and forth carefully and slowly with
> small drop of alcohol / lubricant until they loosen up a bit.
> 
> Messing tape guide in a regular nak is not a real sin, but completely
> unacceptable in a dragon .. as it can easily result in an increasing
> appetite to eat tapes, either forward direction or reverse.  The combination
> of reverse directions, swinging tape guides and tilting pb head leaves very
> little room for misalignment.
> 
> If you have the Nak jig then you can wiggle out the brass retainer using
> screwdriver as a wedge.  I messed with the righthand guide once and it was
> almost full time job to set it correctly.  =)
> 
> Good luck !
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard L. Hess
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:35 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
> 
> 
> I don't know if you guys were laughing at me for hoarding, but I found two
> more really well-cared-for Dragons (same seller) and couldn't resist
> grabbing them. However, but one is showing its age a bit and the pressure
> roller arm sleeve bearings are gummed up.
> 
> Anyone know the best way of freeing them up and relubricating them?
> 
> How do those little brass retainers come off?
> 
> I have the service manual and it's not clear.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Richard
> 
> (Dragonlover)
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
> 
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 20 00:54:23 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:54:23 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Playback Naks and FM 
References: <19953944@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
	<003101c3f701$a0c8ad80$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <003001c3f743$b40b8830$38773242@CopyTech>

Well Roland, I can say that besides the heavy breathing caused by single end
noise reduction or expander used by this satellite stations, I can say that
I'm happy with the results so far. I use Direct TV and run a DAT of 120
minutes for recording with the kind of music I want to record that day.
After that, I transfer it to my SADIE mastering system and from there to CD.
I don't have to tell you that the results are amazing and the people who
listen to it got impressed at such a nice collection of music. Ha ! Usually,
the music is non stop with nice crossfades. Other times this is over-done or
simply not done at all.

I ahven't bought a CD lately and this is why. 80 minutes of many music I
don't have is attractive. I tried the same with FM but I quit.

Carlos
>
> Anybody else FM freaks?
>
> -- Roland



From jmo at sireconnect.de  Thu Feb 19 20:54:16 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:54:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] If you can't hear the 15k tone,does that mean
	you're deaf?
In-Reply-To: <000701c3f6b5$7cff3780$1e01000a@c994264f>
References: <002401c3f6ba$2e83ded0$5a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040219205416.01387610@mail.sireconnect.de>

At 22:56 18.02.2004 -0800, Mike deVera wrote:
>A Dragon has a separate 40Hz tone and a 15kHz tone for calibration. I
>hear the 40Hz tone, but not the 15k bias tone. There is a 15 kHz tone
>correct? Gosh - I would hate to think my hearing is starting to slip. 


Well.. hearing definitely decays with age, that much is known. I have an
LX-3 (an LX-5 soon, you infected me already folks), maybe I once can get a
hand on a manual and find out if I have a tone on that at all, whatever
Hertz. 

Besides the nicely arranged tones, those I found already :)


>There is a nice hearing test on Siemens's website. It states I don't
>have a hearing impairment ... Please visit it. My results are skewed
>against me since I used speakers with a TV in the background.
>
>http://www.hearing-siemens.com/00_en/50_besserhoeren/54_Hoertest/54_heor
>test1.jsp
>
>I filled the low three panels - give it a run, and give us a feedback ..

I filled 2 panels on the left and 1 on the other two. Walkman earphones and
a loud computer. Funny, it tells me I have a medium to severe impairment
with these values, which should technically be better than yours...
Actually I don't think my hearing is that bad. I still hear the 16400 (I
believe) sync signal frequency my tv puts out and am not exactly Walkman
generation (well, technically I am, but I never was into pain a lot).

I'd recommend getting a real test if you're worried. Those computer tests
depend *a*fat*lot* on your sound hardware and generally aren't to be
considered usable. (Actually, they must be considered nearly worthless.)

Regards, jo




From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Feb 19 21:35:48 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:35:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] " Nakamichi Cassette 2" model
Message-ID: <4e084a54e070f4.4e070f44e084a5@vsnl.net>

There is model called "Cassette Deck 2" in Nakamichi range - a 2 head model similar to DR 3.
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From GeorgeC at simba.com  Thu Feb 19 23:04:04 2004
From: GeorgeC at simba.com (George Chow @ Simba)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:04:04 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] " Nakamichi Cassette 2" model
Message-ID: <565E45C65BC9D046BFE4A1B108F9EF744DD0AE@maple.orbital.com>

Hi,

Nakamichi had a small line of cassette deck that were named "CassetteDeck"
(note the missing space). There were three models: 1, 1.5 and 2. I had a 1.5
and only sold it recently.

The line only existed for about 2-3 years and was renamed the DR series
later. The mapping is as follows:

	CassetteDeck 1 -> DR-1
	CassetteDeck 1.5 -> DR-2
	CassetteDeck 2 -> DR-3

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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:49 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] " Nakamichi Cassette 2" model


I had a question from an individual about a deck. 
 He said the model was simply called " Nakamichi Cassette 2" model.
Can you tell if it goes by another number or name?
Thank you


From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 20 01:00:47 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:00:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
Message-ID: <BAY2-F125WYmNdrM0ed0001c108@hotmail.com>

Jim:

One of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written.


>From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:11:18 -0500
>
>Great stuff Gra'! When I first saw the movie Platoon I couldn't wait to 
>find
>out what the music was on the big screen. The 1st. viewing thrilled me,
>seeing it years later made me feel almost sick.
>
>Your Limey buddy ;-)
>JT
>
>Back to the music ... Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings ... Excuse me 
>while
>I go for the box of paper hankies ...
>
>Cheers
>
>Gra'
>
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From richard.simpson at airways.co.nz  Fri Feb 20 01:13:30 2004
From: richard.simpson at airways.co.nz (Simpson, Richard)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:13:30 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] 2 head bias callibration
Message-ID: <04Feb20.011451nzdt.326417@netgate.airways.co.nz>

Does anyone have any words of wisdom about setting the record bias on a
2 head Nak?

I stick to TDK-SA or SAX tape and have set the bias by comparing the
playback to the source.  By starting with the extreme bias settings I
can get things OK but it requires I choose a good loop track, patience
and concentration.

Is there a way of using say an external signal generator and the level
meters to do this more scientifically?

 

Any advice will be appreciated

 

Richard Simpson



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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Feb 20 01:23:03 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:23:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
References: <BAY2-F125WYmNdrM0ed0001c108@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c3f749$5aa175b0$2a106343@johnnyrotten>

10-4 on that, beautiful!

John T.
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Jim:

One of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written.


>From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:11:18 -0500
>
>Great stuff Gra'! When I first saw the movie Platoon I couldn't wait to
>find
>out what the music was on the big screen. The 1st. viewing thrilled me,
>seeing it years later made me feel almost sick.
>
>Your Limey buddy ;-)
>JT
>
>Back to the music ... Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings ... Excuse me
>while
>I go for the box of paper hankies ...
>
>Cheers
>
>Gra'
>
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Fri Feb 20 01:24:22 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:24:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
References: <20015175@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <002b01c3f747$e3c3bb20$6401a8c0@dougbpc>

To anyone who enjoys FM radio and music, but does not live in the
Philadelphia, PA area, you can check out one of the finest examples of
public radio on this planet or anywhere else at;

www.xpn.org

and follow the link to "Listen Live".  WXPN is hosted by the University of
Pennsylvania.  It is the singular light that is otherwise radio darkness in
the Philly region.  And don't miss the "World Cafe"...music from around the
world.

Dean


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:16 PM
Subject: [naktalk] radio options


> --- You wrote:
> You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting terrestrial
> digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
> options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where you
> are!!
> --- end of quote ---
>
> Alright. I live in Portland, Oregon. Like most cities in America now,
virtually
> all the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel or another mega mass
media
> conglomerate. So, unless you like Brittany Spears, Limp Bizkit or Toby
Keith,
> the radio options here are basically nothing or NPR. I love NPR, but I
certainly
> don't need to listen to it in high fidelity. There is one college station
with a
> signal that reaches my house but it's so lo-fi that it actually sounds
worse on
> a good system.
>
> Basically, years of unregulated corporate expansion and insider, special
> interest politics have all but killed FM in this country. That's really a
shame
> since music needs lots of free, open exchange and exposure to thrive.
Actually,
> I think you can link the demise of the cassette format to the demise of
FM.
> (Hah, and you thought I was way off topic!). I used to keep a tape in my
deck
> when I listened to the radio so that I could quickly hit record if I heard
a
> cool new song. I would trade these tapes with my friends and so we would
learn
> about new bands and new music.
>
> Okay, now I'll get off my soapbox.
>
> (funny aside, as I was typing this screed, NPR went off the air and the
faint
> signal of the adjacent station became audible. I think it's Brittany.
> Seriously.)
>
> best to all,
> Fred
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Feb 20 01:54:39 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:54:39 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] for sale- 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN"
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D3BA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

LOL, I like it. It will fit right in with the other e-bay listings.

	Tom. 

-----Original Message-----
From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net]
Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2004 3:15 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] for sale- 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN"


in light of the recent events on e-bay,i have been encouraged to list my
tri-tracer starting at 700 dollars u.s.- Heres the ad. what do you
think?...  For auction ,Nakamichi 700 tri-tracer "DRAGGUN".This machine
uses all-non sourced 'DRAGON" components!Sonically,it is very difficult
to tell the difference between these two decks while listening to both
at the same time.    This  "DRAGGUN"deck weighs MORE than the
"DRAGON'!  Side by side you really could not tell the difference between
the two decks unless you actually looked.Listening comparisons at the
famed BELLVUE institution   published results confirming that in
blind-deaf a-b  audtions of the two components,both were so sonically
different they actually sounded the same.The tests were repeated with
both channels inverted and the judges underwater in g-string bikinis and
the results were the same.    also ,the 700 tri-tracer is noisier(when
strapped to the hood of your vehicle at speeds in excess of 40 mph,)of
course,if you wont be going over 35 that wont matter much.bidding starts
at the redicoulous price of 700 dollars and free shippng is available
for a nominal charge.


thank you very much,
gerald

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 20 02:51:51 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:51:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
Message-ID: <BAY2-F147bdEIQFo10C00025a01@hotmail.com>

On second thought...more beautiful and introspective than Schubert's 
Impromtus.(sp)


>From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:23:03 -0500
>
>10-4 on that, beautiful!
>
>John T.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
>
>
>Jim:
>
>One of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written.
>
>
> >From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 50
> >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:11:18 -0500
> >
> >Great stuff Gra'! When I first saw the movie Platoon I couldn't wait to
> >find
> >out what the music was on the big screen. The 1st. viewing thrilled me,
> >seeing it years later made me feel almost sick.
> >
> >Your Limey buddy ;-)
> >JT
> >
> >Back to the music ... Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings ... Excuse me
> >while
> >I go for the box of paper hankies ...
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Gra'
> >
> >
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Feb 20 12:30:56 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:30:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
Message-ID: <s0360c23.021@mroute.sunint.co.za>

But Fred, Britney's cool too!!!!!  Seriously, thanks for the detailed
and interesting response.  I must say that if you're wanting variety,
the various pay-stations are fine but, radio is a different thing - that
can be "company" too.  We have a brilliant show on one of the sations
here on Friday nights between 10 and midnight that covers more serious
rock and in general the creative forces in contemporary music from the
early 70s into the 80s.  Often I record it.  The two guys that host it
are so knowledgable that the info becomes as important as the music.  To
me that's what really good radio is all about. The majority of stations
are commercial - trash "music", illiterate presenters and the sound is
excessively compressed.

I had seen some of Geralds favourite groups a couple of weeks ago, so I
know he would enjoy it - ELP, Tijs van Leer, Camel, Focus, Caravan etc. 
And tons of others from a prolific period.


>>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/19/04 08:16PM >>>
--- You wrote:
You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting terrestrial
digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where you
are!! 
--- end of quote ---

Alright. I live in Portland, Oregon. Like most cities in America now,
virtually
all the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel or another mega mass
media
conglomerate. So, unless you like Brittany Spears, Limp Bizkit or Toby
Keith,
the radio options here are basically nothing or NPR. I love NPR, but I
certainly
don't need to listen to it in high fidelity. There is one college
station with a
signal that reaches my house but it's so lo-fi that it actually sounds
worse on
a good system. 

Basically, years of unregulated corporate expansion and insider,
special
interest politics have all but killed FM in this country. That's really
a shame
since music needs lots of free, open exchange and exposure to thrive.
Actually,
I think you can link the demise of the cassette format to the demise of
FM.
(Hah, and you thought I was way off topic!). I used to keep a tape in
my deck
when I listened to the radio so that I could quickly hit record if I
heard a
cool new song. I would trade these tapes with my friends and so we
would learn
about new bands and new music.

Okay, now I'll get off my soapbox.

(funny aside, as I was typing this screed, NPR went off the air and the
faint
signal of the adjacent station became audible. I think it's Brittany.
Seriously.)

best to all,
Fred
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 20 15:39:37 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:39:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
Message-ID: <BAY2-F84pQN1RmpS31b000012ce@hotmail.com>

Mark:

Back in the day....NYC radio was way ahead with a female jock named Allison 
Steele(sp)...that was FM at it's greatest!  Even the now dreadful WCBS/FM 
was in the late 60's/70's the best oldies station in the nation...the jock 
was Gus Gosert(sp?) very few commercial breaks and the quality of the 
records was unbeatable...  today WCBS/FM is top 40/ and top 20/oldies....and 
it is RARE to hear anything recorded in the 50's.....Gus and Allison are are 
both gone now...but millions of listeners in the NYC area will never forget 
them.

Neil Lipes


>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:30:56 +0200
>
>But Fred, Britney's cool too!!!!!  Seriously, thanks for the detailed
>and interesting response.  I must say that if you're wanting variety,
>the various pay-stations are fine but, radio is a different thing - that
>can be "company" too.  We have a brilliant show on one of the sations
>here on Friday nights between 10 and midnight that covers more serious
>rock and in general the creative forces in contemporary music from the
>early 70s into the 80s.  Often I record it.  The two guys that host it
>are so knowledgable that the info becomes as important as the music.  To
>me that's what really good radio is all about. The majority of stations
>are commercial - trash "music", illiterate presenters and the sound is
>excessively compressed.
>
>I had seen some of Geralds favourite groups a couple of weeks ago, so I
>know he would enjoy it - ELP, Tijs van Leer, Camel, Focus, Caravan etc.
>And tons of others from a prolific period.
>
>
> >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/19/04 08:16PM >>>
>--- You wrote:
>You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting terrestrial
>digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
>options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where you
>are!!
>--- end of quote ---
>
>Alright. I live in Portland, Oregon. Like most cities in America now,
>virtually
>all the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel or another mega mass
>media
>conglomerate. So, unless you like Brittany Spears, Limp Bizkit or Toby
>Keith,
>the radio options here are basically nothing or NPR. I love NPR, but I
>certainly
>don't need to listen to it in high fidelity. There is one college
>station with a
>signal that reaches my house but it's so lo-fi that it actually sounds
>worse on
>a good system.
>
>Basically, years of unregulated corporate expansion and insider,
>special
>interest politics have all but killed FM in this country. That's really
>a shame
>since music needs lots of free, open exchange and exposure to thrive.
>Actually,
>I think you can link the demise of the cassette format to the demise of
>FM.
>(Hah, and you thought I was way off topic!). I used to keep a tape in
>my deck
>when I listened to the radio so that I could quickly hit record if I
>heard a
>cool new song. I would trade these tapes with my friends and so we
>would learn
>about new bands and new music.
>
>Okay, now I'll get off my soapbox.
>
>(funny aside, as I was typing this screed, NPR went off the air and the
>faint
>signal of the adjacent station became audible. I think it's Brittany.
>Seriously.)
>
>best to all,
>Fred
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Fri Feb 20 15:46:24 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 06:46:24 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
References: <BAY2-F84pQN1RmpS31b000012ce@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c3f7c0$505c17a0$b61a0cd0@r7g1f8>

Has anyone every listened to WFMT in Chicago?  One of the greatest classical
FM stations ever.  Non Pareil.

Randall in Seattle


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options


> Mark:
>
> Back in the day....NYC radio was way ahead with a female jock named
Allison
> Steele(sp)...that was FM at it's greatest!  Even the now dreadful WCBS/FM
> was in the late 60's/70's the best oldies station in the nation...the jock
> was Gus Gosert(sp?) very few commercial breaks and the quality of the
> records was unbeatable...  today WCBS/FM is top 40/ and top
20/oldies....and
> it is RARE to hear anything recorded in the 50's.....Gus and Allison are
are
> both gone now...but millions of listeners in the NYC area will never
forget
> them.
>
> Neil Lipes
>
>
> >From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
> >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:30:56 +0200
> >
> >But Fred, Britney's cool too!!!!!  Seriously, thanks for the detailed
> >and interesting response.  I must say that if you're wanting variety,
> >the various pay-stations are fine but, radio is a different thing - that
> >can be "company" too.  We have a brilliant show on one of the sations
> >here on Friday nights between 10 and midnight that covers more serious
> >rock and in general the creative forces in contemporary music from the
> >early 70s into the 80s.  Often I record it.  The two guys that host it
> >are so knowledgable that the info becomes as important as the music.  To
> >me that's what really good radio is all about. The majority of stations
> >are commercial - trash "music", illiterate presenters and the sound is
> >excessively compressed.
> >
> >I had seen some of Geralds favourite groups a couple of weeks ago, so I
> >know he would enjoy it - ELP, Tijs van Leer, Camel, Focus, Caravan etc.
> >And tons of others from a prolific period.
> >
> >
> > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/19/04 08:16PM >>>
> >--- You wrote:
> >You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting terrestrial
> >digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
> >options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where you
> >are!!
> >--- end of quote ---
> >
> >Alright. I live in Portland, Oregon. Like most cities in America now,
> >virtually
> >all the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel or another mega mass
> >media
> >conglomerate. So, unless you like Brittany Spears, Limp Bizkit or Toby
> >Keith,
> >the radio options here are basically nothing or NPR. I love NPR, but I
> >certainly
> >don't need to listen to it in high fidelity. There is one college
> >station with a
> >signal that reaches my house but it's so lo-fi that it actually sounds
> >worse on
> >a good system.
> >
> >Basically, years of unregulated corporate expansion and insider,
> >special
> >interest politics have all but killed FM in this country. That's really
> >a shame
> >since music needs lots of free, open exchange and exposure to thrive.
> >Actually,
> >I think you can link the demise of the cassette format to the demise of
> >FM.
> >(Hah, and you thought I was way off topic!). I used to keep a tape in
> >my deck
> >when I listened to the radio so that I could quickly hit record if I
> >heard a
> >cool new song. I would trade these tapes with my friends and so we
> >would learn
> >about new bands and new music.
> >
> >Okay, now I'll get off my soapbox.
> >
> >(funny aside, as I was typing this screed, NPR went off the air and the
> >faint
> >signal of the adjacent station became audible. I think it's Brittany.
> >Seriously.)
> >
> >best to all,
> >Fred
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Fri Feb 20 16:12:13 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:12:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
Message-ID: <s035dd8b.042@mail.anderson.edu>

All the time I was attending Valparaiso Technical Institute ('72-'74) on the west side of Valpo, not the University on the east side of town.  One of our instructors ran proof-of-performance tests for the FCC.  I commented to him about how good the signal was from that station.  Mr. Wiggins said he ran the tests on them one time and was impressed with their quality and NON-use of compression.  Also said their budget was very high, mainly because of so much community support, both individual and corporate.  I really miss that station.  Have never heard another station that good since.  We aren't connected to cable or satellite, so that option is out.  
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth


>>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 02/20/04 09:46AM >>>
Has anyone every listened to WFMT in Chicago?  One of the greatest classical
FM stations ever.  Non Pareil.

Randall in Seattle


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From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options


> Mark:
>
> Back in the day....NYC radio was way ahead with a female jock named
Allison
> Steele(sp)...that was FM at it's greatest!  Even the now dreadful WCBS/FM
> was in the late 60's/70's the best oldies station in the nation...the jock
> was Gus Gosert(sp?) very few commercial breaks and the quality of the
> records was unbeatable...  today WCBS/FM is top 40/ and top
20/oldies....and
> it is RARE to hear anything recorded in the 50's.....Gus and Allison are
are
> both gone now...but millions of listeners in the NYC area will never
forget
> them.
>
> Neil Lipes
>
>
> >From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
> >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:30:56 +0200
> >
> >But Fred, Britney's cool too!!!!!  Seriously, thanks for the detailed
> >and interesting response.  I must say that if you're wanting variety,
> >the various pay-stations are fine but, radio is a different thing - that
> >can be "company" too.  We have a brilliant show on one of the sations
> >here on Friday nights between 10 and midnight that covers more serious
> >rock and in general the creative forces in contemporary music from the
> >early 70s into the 80s.  Often I record it.  The two guys that host it
> >are so knowledgable that the info becomes as important as the music.  To
> >me that's what really good radio is all about. The majority of stations
> >are commercial - trash "music", illiterate presenters and the sound is
> >excessively compressed.
> >
> >I had seen some of Geralds favourite groups a couple of weeks ago, so I
> >know he would enjoy it - ELP, Tijs van Leer, Camel, Focus, Caravan etc.
> >And tons of others from a prolific period.
> >
> >
> > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/19/04 08:16PM >>>
> >--- You wrote:
> >You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting terrestrial
> >digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
> >options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where you
> >are!!
> >--- end of quote ---
> >
> >Alright. I live in Portland, Oregon. Like most cities in America now,
> >virtually
> >all the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel or another mega mass
> >media
> >conglomerate. So, unless you like Brittany Spears, Limp Bizkit or Toby
> >Keith,
> >the radio options here are basically nothing or NPR. I love NPR, but I
> >certainly
> >don't need to listen to it in high fidelity. There is one college
> >station with a
> >signal that reaches my house but it's so lo-fi that it actually sounds
> >worse on
> >a good system.
> >
> >Basically, years of unregulated corporate expansion and insider,
> >special
> >interest politics have all but killed FM in this country. That's really
> >a shame
> >since music needs lots of free, open exchange and exposure to thrive.
> >Actually,
> >I think you can link the demise of the cassette format to the demise of
> >FM.
> >(Hah, and you thought I was way off topic!). I used to keep a tape in
> >my deck
> >when I listened to the radio so that I could quickly hit record if I
> >heard a
> >cool new song. I would trade these tapes with my friends and so we
> >would learn
> >about new bands and new music.
> >
> >Okay, now I'll get off my soapbox.
> >
> >(funny aside, as I was typing this screed, NPR went off the air and the
> >faint
> >signal of the adjacent station became audible. I think it's Brittany.
> >Seriously.)
> >
> >best to all,
> >Fred
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Feb 20 16:25:56 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:25:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
Message-ID: <s0364339.023@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Randall......you're very lucky to have something like that - a
dedicated classical music station.  There's just not enough on the air.

We have Classic FM here but it's more like pop classics and there are
only so many times you can listen to Nessun Dorma sung by Charlotte
Church (I don't mean to pick on her specifically), Elvira Madigan (the
only Mozart album the have there apart from Eine Kleine Nacht Musik and
the second movement from the clarinet convcerto or !st mvt from Symph
40) or basically all the lollipops to be found on a "Classical
Experience" album before you yearn for some late Beethoven Quartets or
some real brain food.  All they are doing is trying to up the listenship
as usual.

That's me, off my soapbox now!!

So, you're lucky Randall and of course, so is Graham (and anyone in the
UK) with Radio 3 and the original Classic FM.

Cheers,

Marc


>>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 02/20/04 04:46PM >>>
Has anyone every listened to WFMT in Chicago?  One of the greatest
classical
FM stations ever.  Non Pareil.

Randall in Seattle


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options


> Mark:
>
> Back in the day....NYC radio was way ahead with a female jock named
Allison
> Steele(sp)...that was FM at it's greatest!  Even the now dreadful
WCBS/FM
> was in the late 60's/70's the best oldies station in the nation...the
jock
> was Gus Gosert(sp?) very few commercial breaks and the quality of
the
> records was unbeatable...  today WCBS/FM is top 40/ and top
20/oldies....and
> it is RARE to hear anything recorded in the 50's.....Gus and Allison
are
are
> both gone now...but millions of listeners in the NYC area will never
forget
> them.
>
> Neil Lipes
>
>
> >From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
> >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:30:56 +0200
> >
> >But Fred, Britney's cool too!!!!!  Seriously, thanks for the
detailed
> >and interesting response.  I must say that if you're wanting
variety,
> >the various pay-stations are fine but, radio is a different thing -
that
> >can be "company" too.  We have a brilliant show on one of the
sations
> >here on Friday nights between 10 and midnight that covers more
serious
> >rock and in general the creative forces in contemporary music from
the
> >early 70s into the 80s.  Often I record it.  The two guys that host
it
> >are so knowledgable that the info becomes as important as the music.
 To
> >me that's what really good radio is all about. The majority of
stations
> >are commercial - trash "music", illiterate presenters and the sound
is
> >excessively compressed.
> >
> >I had seen some of Geralds favourite groups a couple of weeks ago,
so I
> >know he would enjoy it - ELP, Tijs van Leer, Camel, Focus, Caravan
etc.
> >And tons of others from a prolific period.
> >
> >
> > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/19/04 08:16PM >>>
> >--- You wrote:
> >You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting
terrestrial
> >digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
> >options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where
you
> >are!!
> >--- end of quote ---
> >
> >Alright. I live in Portland, Oregon. Like most cities in America
now,
> >virtually
> >all the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel or another mega
mass
> >media
> >conglomerate. So, unless you like Brittany Spears, Limp Bizkit or
Toby
> >Keith,
> >the radio options here are basically nothing or NPR. I love NPR, but
I
> >certainly
> >don't need to listen to it in high fidelity. There is one college
> >station with a
> >signal that reaches my house but it's so lo-fi that it actually
sounds
> >worse on
> >a good system.
> >
> >Basically, years of unregulated corporate expansion and insider,
> >special
> >interest politics have all but killed FM in this country. That's
really
> >a shame
> >since music needs lots of free, open exchange and exposure to
thrive.
> >Actually,
> >I think you can link the demise of the cassette format to the demise
of
> >FM.
> >(Hah, and you thought I was way off topic!). I used to keep a tape
in
> >my deck
> >when I listened to the radio so that I could quickly hit record if
I
> >heard a
> >cool new song. I would trade these tapes with my friends and so we
> >would learn
> >about new bands and new music.
> >
> >Okay, now I'll get off my soapbox.
> >
> >(funny aside, as I was typing this screed, NPR went off the air and
the
> >faint
> >signal of the adjacent station became audible. I think it's
Brittany.
> >Seriously.)
> >
> >best to all,
> >Fred
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From mithao at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 20 16:27:01 2004
From: mithao at hotmail.com (Minh Pham)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:27:01 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
Message-ID: <BAY13-F23wQ1N8Pik3Y00000bab@hotmail.com>

Yes, I am listening with my old Proton 440. I sometimes switch to WMUA on 
Saturday nights to enjoy "the sound of Brazil".
WFMT is the best radio station in Chicago I think people working in there 
truly love music.
Minh


>From: "Babin/Greseth" <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 06:46:24 -0800
>
>Has anyone every listened to WFMT in Chicago?  One of the greatest 
>classical
>FM stations ever.  Non Pareil.
>
>Randall in Seattle
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 6:39 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
>
>
> > Mark:
> >
> > Back in the day....NYC radio was way ahead with a female jock named
>Allison
> > Steele(sp)...that was FM at it's greatest!  Even the now dreadful 
>WCBS/FM
> > was in the late 60's/70's the best oldies station in the nation...the 
>jock
> > was Gus Gosert(sp?) very few commercial breaks and the quality of the
> > records was unbeatable...  today WCBS/FM is top 40/ and top
>20/oldies....and
> > it is RARE to hear anything recorded in the 50's.....Gus and Allison are
>are
> > both gone now...but millions of listeners in the NYC area will never
>forget
> > them.
> >
> > Neil Lipes
> >
> >
> > >From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
> > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:30:56 +0200
> > >
> > >But Fred, Britney's cool too!!!!!  Seriously, thanks for the detailed
> > >and interesting response.  I must say that if you're wanting variety,
> > >the various pay-stations are fine but, radio is a different thing - 
>that
> > >can be "company" too.  We have a brilliant show on one of the sations
> > >here on Friday nights between 10 and midnight that covers more serious
> > >rock and in general the creative forces in contemporary music from the
> > >early 70s into the 80s.  Often I record it.  The two guys that host it
> > >are so knowledgable that the info becomes as important as the music.  
>To
> > >me that's what really good radio is all about. The majority of stations
> > >are commercial - trash "music", illiterate presenters and the sound is
> > >excessively compressed.
> > >
> > >I had seen some of Geralds favourite groups a couple of weeks ago, so I
> > >know he would enjoy it - ELP, Tijs van Leer, Camel, Focus, Caravan etc.
> > >And tons of others from a prolific period.
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/19/04 08:16PM >>>
> > >--- You wrote:
> > >You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting terrestrial
> > >digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
> > >options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where you
> > >are!!
> > >--- end of quote ---
> > >
> > >Alright. I live in Portland, Oregon. Like most cities in America now,
> > >virtually
> > >all the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel or another mega mass
> > >media
> > >conglomerate. So, unless you like Brittany Spears, Limp Bizkit or Toby
> > >Keith,
> > >the radio options here are basically nothing or NPR. I love NPR, but I
> > >certainly
> > >don't need to listen to it in high fidelity. There is one college
> > >station with a
> > >signal that reaches my house but it's so lo-fi that it actually sounds
> > >worse on
> > >a good system.
> > >
> > >Basically, years of unregulated corporate expansion and insider,
> > >special
> > >interest politics have all but killed FM in this country. That's really
> > >a shame
> > >since music needs lots of free, open exchange and exposure to thrive.
> > >Actually,
> > >I think you can link the demise of the cassette format to the demise of
> > >FM.
> > >(Hah, and you thought I was way off topic!). I used to keep a tape in
> > >my deck
> > >when I listened to the radio so that I could quickly hit record if I
> > >heard a
> > >cool new song. I would trade these tapes with my friends and so we
> > >would learn
> > >about new bands and new music.
> > >
> > >Okay, now I'll get off my soapbox.
> > >
> > >(funny aside, as I was typing this screed, NPR went off the air and the
> > >faint
> > >signal of the adjacent station became audible. I think it's Brittany.
> > >Seriously.)
> > >
> > >best to all,
> > >Fred
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Fri Feb 20 16:48:05 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:48:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
References: <BAY13-F23wQ1N8Pik3Y00000bab@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c3f7c8$ee16d720$b61a0cd0@r7g1f8>

One of the Big things that I always appreciated about it was their INTEGRITY
as a MUSIC station.  Advertisements, though very important, are heavily
screened.  No silly music, ditties, no extra loud car salesmen etc.  Like I
always say...in life there is First Class and no class,  not much more.

Randall
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Minh Pham" <mithao at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options


> Yes, I am listening with my old Proton 440. I sometimes switch to WMUA on
> Saturday nights to enjoy "the sound of Brazil".
> WFMT is the best radio station in Chicago I think people working in there
> truly love music.
> Minh
>
>
> >From: "Babin/Greseth" <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
> >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 06:46:24 -0800
> >
> >Has anyone every listened to WFMT in Chicago?  One of the greatest
> >classical
> >FM stations ever.  Non Pareil.
> >
> >Randall in Seattle
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 6:39 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
> >
> >
> > > Mark:
> > >
> > > Back in the day....NYC radio was way ahead with a female jock named
> >Allison
> > > Steele(sp)...that was FM at it's greatest!  Even the now dreadful
> >WCBS/FM
> > > was in the late 60's/70's the best oldies station in the nation...the
> >jock
> > > was Gus Gosert(sp?) very few commercial breaks and the quality of the
> > > records was unbeatable...  today WCBS/FM is top 40/ and top
> >20/oldies....and
> > > it is RARE to hear anything recorded in the 50's.....Gus and Allison
are
> >are
> > > both gone now...but millions of listeners in the NYC area will never
> >forget
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Neil Lipes
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
> > > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:30:56 +0200
> > > >
> > > >But Fred, Britney's cool too!!!!!  Seriously, thanks for the detailed
> > > >and interesting response.  I must say that if you're wanting variety,
> > > >the various pay-stations are fine but, radio is a different thing -
> >that
> > > >can be "company" too.  We have a brilliant show on one of the sations
> > > >here on Friday nights between 10 and midnight that covers more
serious
> > > >rock and in general the creative forces in contemporary music from
the
> > > >early 70s into the 80s.  Often I record it.  The two guys that host
it
> > > >are so knowledgable that the info becomes as important as the music.
> >To
> > > >me that's what really good radio is all about. The majority of
stations
> > > >are commercial - trash "music", illiterate presenters and the sound
is
> > > >excessively compressed.
> > > >
> > > >I had seen some of Geralds favourite groups a couple of weeks ago, so
I
> > > >know he would enjoy it - ELP, Tijs van Leer, Camel, Focus, Caravan
etc.
> > > >And tons of others from a prolific period.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/19/04 08:16PM >>>
> > > >--- You wrote:
> > > >You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting terrestrial
> > > >digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
> > > >options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where
you
> > > >are!!
> > > >--- end of quote ---
> > > >
> > > >Alright. I live in Portland, Oregon. Like most cities in America now,
> > > >virtually
> > > >all the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel or another mega
mass
> > > >media
> > > >conglomerate. So, unless you like Brittany Spears, Limp Bizkit or
Toby
> > > >Keith,
> > > >the radio options here are basically nothing or NPR. I love NPR, but
I
> > > >certainly
> > > >don't need to listen to it in high fidelity. There is one college
> > > >station with a
> > > >signal that reaches my house but it's so lo-fi that it actually
sounds
> > > >worse on
> > > >a good system.
> > > >
> > > >Basically, years of unregulated corporate expansion and insider,
> > > >special
> > > >interest politics have all but killed FM in this country. That's
really
> > > >a shame
> > > >since music needs lots of free, open exchange and exposure to thrive.
> > > >Actually,
> > > >I think you can link the demise of the cassette format to the demise
of
> > > >FM.
> > > >(Hah, and you thought I was way off topic!). I used to keep a tape in
> > > >my deck
> > > >when I listened to the radio so that I could quickly hit record if I
> > > >heard a
> > > >cool new song. I would trade these tapes with my friends and so we
> > > >would learn
> > > >about new bands and new music.
> > > >
> > > >Okay, now I'll get off my soapbox.
> > > >
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Fri Feb 20 18:52:25 2004
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:52:25 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 56
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri Feb 20 19:27:46 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:27:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 2 head bias callibration
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Richard
Bias adjustment always have to accompany level adjsutment as well to get correct Doby level - otherwise Dolby Nr will cause mistracking. secondly 2 head machines you need to record and replay to get the actual signal which makes it difficult for not so experienced DIYselfers! For Naks you also need 400Hz level tape to set the meter/ play back level etc before you try to attempt bias adjustment making the task bit very crazy sometimes!!!
If your 2 head nak has no previous adjustment  after it left factory - then record 15 Khz signal at -20 dB, First supply 400hz signal on record input keeping the Player in record pause mode and measure play side output - adjust the record input controls to obtain 500 mV and check the VU shows 0dB, then apply 15 Khz signal at -20 dB or rec/ pause - play out put show 40-50mV ( ordinary DMM's or analog multimeter will be off and so very good wide bandwidth DMM' like fluke 87 or VTVM of atleast 100Khz response!) and then adjust bias pots - appropriate to the tape type -get recorded signal output at the same level when played back
It is good practice to check the distortion after bias adjust procedure. Good luck
kannan 


Does anyone have any words of wisdom about setting the record bias on a 2 head Nak?

I stick to TDK-SA or SAX tape and have set the bias by comparing the playback to the source.  By starting with the extreme bias settings I can get things OK but it requires I choose a good loop track, patience and concentration.

Is there a way of using say an external signal generator and the level meters to do this more scientifically?


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Does anyone have any words of wisdom about setting the record bias on a
2 head Nak?

I stick to TDK-SA or SAX tape and have set the bias by comparing the
playback to the source.  By starting with the extreme bias settings I
can get things OK but it requires I choose a good loop track, patience
and concentration.

Is there a way of using say an external signal generator and the level
meters to do this more scientifically?

=20

Any advice will be appreciated

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Feb 20 19:38:42 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:38:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] radio options
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Lower (Slower) Delaware has a very fine classical station in WSCL. Studio's at 
University of Maryland in Salisbury, MD with two towers in southern Delaware.
www.wscl.org

John T. 

Quoting Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>:

> Hi Randall......you're very lucky to have something like that - a
> dedicated classical music station.  There's just not enough on the air.
> 
> We have Classic FM here but it's more like pop classics and there are
> only so many times you can listen to Nessun Dorma sung by Charlotte
> Church (I don't mean to pick on her specifically), Elvira Madigan (the
> only Mozart album the have there apart from Eine Kleine Nacht Musik and
> the second movement from the clarinet convcerto or !st mvt from Symph
> 40) or basically all the lollipops to be found on a "Classical
> Experience" album before you yearn for some late Beethoven Quartets or
> some real brain food.  All they are doing is trying to up the listenship
> as usual.
> 
> That's me, off my soapbox now!!
> 
> So, you're lucky Randall and of course, so is Graham (and anyone in the
> UK) with Radio 3 and the original Classic FM.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> >>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 02/20/04 04:46PM >>>
> Has anyone every listened to WFMT in Chicago?  One of the greatest
> classical
> FM stations ever.  Non Pareil.
> 
> Randall in Seattle
> 
> 
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> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 6:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
> 
> 
> > Mark:
> >
> > Back in the day....NYC radio was way ahead with a female jock named
> Allison
> > Steele(sp)...that was FM at it's greatest!  Even the now dreadful
> WCBS/FM
> > was in the late 60's/70's the best oldies station in the nation...the
> jock
> > was Gus Gosert(sp?) very few commercial breaks and the quality of
> the
> > records was unbeatable...  today WCBS/FM is top 40/ and top
> 20/oldies....and
> > it is RARE to hear anything recorded in the 50's.....Gus and Allison
> are
> are
> > both gone now...but millions of listeners in the NYC area will never
> forget
> > them.
> >
> > Neil Lipes
> >
> >
> > >From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] radio options
> > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:30:56 +0200
> > >
> > >But Fred, Britney's cool too!!!!!  Seriously, thanks for the
> detailed
> > >and interesting response.  I must say that if you're wanting
> variety,
> > >the various pay-stations are fine but, radio is a different thing -
> that
> > >can be "company" too.  We have a brilliant show on one of the
> sations
> > >here on Friday nights between 10 and midnight that covers more
> serious
> > >rock and in general the creative forces in contemporary music from
> the
> > >early 70s into the 80s.  Often I record it.  The two guys that host
> it
> > >are so knowledgable that the info becomes as important as the music.
>  To
> > >me that's what really good radio is all about. The majority of
> stations
> > >are commercial - trash "music", illiterate presenters and the sound
> is
> > >excessively compressed.
> > >
> > >I had seen some of Geralds favourite groups a couple of weeks ago,
> so I
> > >know he would enjoy it - ELP, Tijs van Leer, Camel, Focus, Caravan
> etc.
> > >And tons of others from a prolific period.
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/19/04 08:16PM >>>
> > >--- You wrote:
> > >You said  "who cares about FM anymore?"   Are you getting
> terrestrial
> > >digital (DAB).  I not altogether happy with the various SAT radio
> > >options I have lived with.  Tell us about your radio options where
> you
> > >are!!
> > >--- end of quote ---
> > >
> > >Alright. I live in Portland, Oregon. Like most cities in America
> now,
> > >virtually
> > >all the radio stations are owned by Clear Channel or another mega
> mass
> > >media
> > >conglomerate. So, unless you like Brittany Spears, Limp Bizkit or
> Toby
> > >Keith,
> > >the radio options here are basically nothing or NPR. I love NPR, but
> I
> > >certainly
> > >don't need to listen to it in high fidelity. There is one college
> > >station with a
> > >signal that reaches my house but it's so lo-fi that it actually
> sounds
> > >worse on
> > >a good system.
> > >
> > >Basically, years of unregulated corporate expansion and insider,
> > >special
> > >interest politics have all but killed FM in this country. That's
> really
> > >a shame
> > >since music needs lots of free, open exchange and exposure to
> thrive.
> > >Actually,
> > >I think you can link the demise of the cassette format to the demise
> of
> > >FM.
> > >(Hah, and you thought I was way off topic!). I used to keep a tape
> in
> > >my deck
> > >when I listened to the radio so that I could quickly hit record if
> I
> > >heard a
> > >cool new song. I would trade these tapes with my friends and so we
> > >would learn
> > >about new bands and new music.
> > >
> > >Okay, now I'll get off my soapbox.
> > >
> > >(funny aside, as I was typing this screed, NPR went off the air and
> the
> > >faint
> > >signal of the adjacent station became audible. I think it's
> Brittany.
> > >Seriously.)
> > >
> > >best to all,
> > >Fred
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From mdunn at cantares.on.ca  Fri Feb 20 20:06:27 2004
From: mdunn at cantares.on.ca (Michael Dunn)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:06:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 2 head bias callibration
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    What about machines like my Cassette Deck 2 that have front-panel 
bias trims?



    At 10:27 AM -0800 2004/2/20, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
>Richard
>Bias adjustment always have to accompany level adjsutment as well to 
>get correct Doby level - otherwise Dolby Nr will cause mistracking. 
>secondly 2 head machines you need to record and replay to get the 
>actual signal which makes it difficult for not so experienced 
>DIYselfers! For Naks you also need 400Hz level tape to set the 
>meter/ play back level etc before you try to attempt bias adjustment 
>making the task bit very crazy sometimes!!!


From arclists at richardhess.com  Thu Feb 19 20:55:56 2004
From: arclists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:55:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
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	<5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1>
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Thank you, Salim, for the kind words and for the information. I may send it 
through TAP electronics after your description.

I'd love to get a set of gauges, but I fear it's probably prohibitive.

Cheers,

Richard

-- 

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http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ 


Quoting Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>:

> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> What a nice studio !
> 
> Getting the brass retainer out is easy ... putting them back where they
> properly belong, without help of nak guide height jig, is a completely
> different story.  I'd strongly suggest to leave them where they are, and try
> to work out the jammed arm manually back and forth carefully and slowly with
> small drop of alcohol / lubricant until they loosen up a bit.
> 
> Messing tape guide in a regular nak is not a real sin, but completely
> unacceptable in a dragon .. as it can easily result in an increasing
> appetite to eat tapes, either forward direction or reverse.  The combination
> of reverse directions, swinging tape guides and tilting pb head leaves very
> little room for misalignment.
> 
> If you have the Nak jig then you can wiggle out the brass retainer using
> screwdriver as a wedge.  I messed with the righthand guide once and it was
> almost full time job to set it correctly.  =)
> 
> Good luck !
> Salim SM
> 
> 
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> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:35 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
> 
> 
> I don't know if you guys were laughing at me for hoarding, but I found two
> more really well-cared-for Dragons (same seller) and couldn't resist
> grabbing them. However, but one is showing its age a bit and the pressure
> roller arm sleeve bearings are gummed up.
> 
> Anyone know the best way of freeing them up and relubricating them?
> 
> How do those little brass retainers come off?
> 
> I have the service manual and it's not clear.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Richard
> 
> (Dragonlover)
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Feb 20 23:54:49 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:54:49 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 56
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Fred said:
> (aside: I actually fell for my wife on the basis of a mixed tape 
> she sent me.
> Who could say no to a gal who can put Ella, Tom Waits and the 
> Ramones on the
> same tape and make it sound right?)
Fred, has she got a twin sister?!

Gra'
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Feb 21 04:06:28 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:06:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] NAK Clock Radios / other Radios
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Hi GREATEST NAkTAlKERS. I Just sold my NAK clock Radio 1 on e-bay for
56.00.It was scratched up and had a replacement speaker ,although it
worked well.It came With a Stereo Companion Speaker.Speaking Of
Radios,My Favourite is My KLH Vintage Tube Radio With   Extra Speaker. I
think this is the one im gonna  have Perpetually piped in my Coffin.KLH
still Makes a Radio That Is Much Like The OLD  Solid State KLH   and i
am going to get one.        They are 100.00 for the Single unit,and a
additional speaker unit is available.Who has a Bose Radio?I Just Bought
the greatest little GPX Mini-Sysytem With F.m Tuner/
C/D at Albertsons.It was on Closeout for 79.00. I LOVE it! Also Highly
recomeend the SONY      GFD-G55 Boombox Radio-The best Portable in
Years.Keep on Nakkin! 

  

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Feb 21 04:52:50 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:52:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded tapes VS.Dubbed from L.P.
Message-ID: <27577-4036D612-1292@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

Hi,i would like to apologise for being in denial and mad at the greatest
CARLOS for calling My Collection of 300  of my Pre-Recorded
tapes,Qoute-"CRAP". Well,i just came across some casettes on very good
MAXELL tape recorded on Probably only a Very Good Quality Casette deck
with the source being some old Outstanding Quality LONDON/R.C.A and
Mercury L.P.'s,and  ,of Course Carlos was right,these tapes win hands
down over the  Pre-Recorded Tapes I HAve in My Collection.NOT to say
these Pre-recorded Tapes have no Value as Archive Documents,because Many
of these GreAT RECORDINGS ARE nO lONGER BEING PRODUCED,BUT,ALTHOUGH I
HAVENT COMPARED THEM TO MANY OF MY best pRE-rECORDED cASSTETTES,THESE
DUBBED FROM L.P. CASSETTES ORIGINAL RECORDINGS ARE- CLEARLY sUPERIOR.

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Feb 21 05:13:10 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:13:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] KAROAKE(audiotalk)
Message-ID: <27581-4036DAD6-185@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

hi,what about KAROAKE? This is an AUDIOTALK Topic.I Went to A karaoke
Bar to Have a fun Time and Goof-off,and i was confronted by a bunch of
serious singer-wanna-be's who looked down on my antics.these people were
zeros,  but they took this KAROAKE stuff as seriously as if they were
multi-platinum recording artists.

thank you very much,
gerald



From m_a_r_k_e at netzero.com  Sat Feb 21 15:41:29 2004
From: m_a_r_k_e at netzero.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 07:41:29 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] KAROAKE(audiotalk)
Message-ID: <001101c3f888$ccf42960$45493542@compaq>

Karoake is a lot of fun. Almost a must have for a party. I have a
Karoake machine. Come on over!

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald G.
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:13 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] KAROAKE(audiotalk)

hi,what about KAROAKE? This is an AUDIOTALK Topic.I Went to A karaoke
Bar to Have a fun Time and Goof-off,and i was confronted by a bunch of
serious singer-wanna-be's who looked down on my antics.these people were
zeros,  but they took this KAROAKE stuff as seriously as if they were
multi-platinum recording artists.

thank you very much,
gerald

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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sat Feb 21 19:13:52 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:13:52 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?
References: <002401c3f6ba$2e83ded0$5a773242@CopyTech>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1>
	<004d01c3f6f3$4bacaf80$c1299bca@aisha>
	<1077220556.403514ccc835a@aaryn.lunarpages.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c3f8a6$76b5ee80$d9299bca@aisha>


Looks like someone noticed our needs ... a bit pricey indeed :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078654273&category=4784

also the less required torque tape:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3078655888&category=4784

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard L. Hess
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon pressure roller arm sleeve bearings gummed up?


Thank you, Salim, for the kind words and for the information. I may send it
through TAP electronics after your description.

I'd love to get a set of gauges, but I fear it's probably prohibitive.

Cheers,

Richard

--

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http://www.richardhess.com/tape/


Quoting Salim Marzuki smarzuki at indosat.net.id:




From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 22 00:42:26 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:42:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Tuner FM Fever
References: <002401c3f6ba$2e83ded0$5a773242@CopyTech><5.2.1.1.2.20040218233316.0243a748@127.0.0.1><004d01c3f6f3$4bacaf80$c1299bca@aisha><1077220556.403514ccc835a@aaryn.lunarpages.com>
	<000c01c3f8a6$76b5ee80$d9299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <000d01c3f8d4$5fb1d130$94773242@CopyTech>

Since I'm not an FM fanatic, I have a pristine condition Carver TX 10 Tuner
that may need a new home. I have no use for it.

A Parasound CDP 1000 CD player. Have 5 CD players ...

MY beloved Tandberg 3014 A with manual and a new set of belts installed. New
output transistors and IC's.

All in very good condition. Very nice prices. Please reply off-list if
interested.

Thanks,

Carlos



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Feb 21 22:31:59 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:31:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] digital vinyl pressings versus analog
Message-ID: <29933-4037CE4F-19@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

is it true to say that the best of the digital pressings are better than
the worst of the analog,but the best analog vinyl recordings are a lot
better than the best digital pressings?

thank you very much,
gerald



From kc_flyer at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 22 01:48:04 2004
From: kc_flyer at hotmail.com (Randy Peterson)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:48:04 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Please Remove Me
Message-ID: <BAY9-F54Wt2H7ufgzqb00004bc3@hotmail.com>

Please remove me form your mailing list

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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Sun Feb 22 04:17:01 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:17:01 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak CD players, Nak v. Luxman
Message-ID: <20089753@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sun Feb 22 05:59:48 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:59:48 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nak CD players, Nak v. Luxman
In-Reply-To: <20089753@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEBNCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Unless you want to match the CD player to other equipment you have, IMHO,
most CD/DVD players on the market today, even the $100 ones, will outperform
CDP-2A class machine from Nakamichi or Luxman from the 80's, and will be
able to play more formats (CD-R/RW's, MP3's, etc).

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Fred Lifton
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:08 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nak CD players, Nak v. Luxman


What do you all think of the Nak CD players? I'm looking at a CDP-2A. Any
thoughts on how late 80's Nak stuff (tape or cd player) compares to Luxman
of
the same vintage?
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Feb 22 08:21:23 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:21:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] dubbed from l.p.  VS. pr-recorded
Message-ID: <27441-40385873-1996@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

hi- still looking for feedback about the best  pre-recorded cassette
tapes Vis-a-Vie dubbed from l.p  tapes.i have been comparing some of my
best pre-recorded tapes with some excellent dubbed from l.p.
cassestes,and although some pre-recorded tapes are very dynamic and
sound excellent,there seems to be less of a "vieled" sound in the dubbed
from l.p.tapes,they are brighter,have more prescence,but not necessarily
more richness or "ambience" 

thank you very much,
gerald



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb 22 13:13:10 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:13:10 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] dubbed from l.p.  VS. pr-recorded
In-Reply-To: <27441-40385873-1996@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000801c3f93d$3c993260$45fe4c51@oemcomputer>

Have to say, when I've dubbed from LP to cassette the results have always
been better/more pleasing to the ear than the pre-recorded version.
However, I suspect that this may well have generally been because I used a
better quality tape to record onto.  Otherwise, I have a few pre-recorded
tapes that sound jolly fine!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 22 February 2004 07:21
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] dubbed from l.p. VS. pr-recorded
>
>
> hi- still looking for feedback about the best  pre-recorded cassette
> tapes Vis-a-Vie dubbed from l.p  tapes.i have been comparing some of my
> best pre-recorded tapes with some excellent dubbed from l.p.
> cassestes,and although some pre-recorded tapes are very dynamic and
> sound excellent,there seems to be less of a "vieled" sound in the dubbed
> from l.p.tapes,they are brighter,have more prescence,but not necessarily
> more richness or "ambience"
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
>
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From chaoboy at theriver.com  Sun Feb 22 14:41:35 2004
From: chaoboy at theriver.com (Tyson F Nuss, esq.)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:41:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dual-shaft car head units?
In-Reply-To: <200402221100.i1MB0Sjv026402@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200402221100.i1MB0Sjv026402@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600bc5e5cf9228e@[206.97.60.196]>

Greets, all!

Does anyone know if Nak produced mobile audio head units/decks in the 
dual-shaft configuration (i.e., one big knob on each side), aside 
from the legendary TD-1200II series (and their little sister, the 
TD-800)?

In case you're wondering, my car's dashboard is designed to accept a 
dual-shaft type of head unit, and it would be VERY difficult to 
modify for installation of a modern, DIN-style chassis; furthermore, 
while I'm not ready to spend big bux right now on a custom system 
with the extensive dash mods required, I'd still appreciate having a 
deck with better sound quality than the old Sony unit that came 
installed in the car when I bought it, and I remember my old Nak 
TD-700 DIN-chassis model quite fondly (still have it, in fact, albeit 
needing probably-nominal service to make the tape transport load 
tapes properly).

For this application, an obvious choice is the Nakamichi 
TD-1200II/-800 models.  However, these models are hard to find, 
nevermind affordably, and may not work in my dash, as the head unit 
is mounted with its face sunken into a "well" in the dash, which 
allows a blank plate to be snapped in front of the well, giving the 
appearance of no radio; however, the depth and short height of this 
well may interfere with access to the slide-out drawer for tape 
loading in the 1200/800.

Furthermore, cassette playback quality is less a concern to me than 
the quality of the tuner (not a mobile Nak strong point %^) and of 
overall sonic output, as well as the presence of an auxiliary 
line-level input; since dual-shaft CD player decks are dimensionally 
impossible %^J, I intend to use either a Discman, remote CD changer, 
or more likely an iPod that I can plug into the deck's Aux line-in 
jack, and I would prefer to avoid having to use an RF coupler, 
cassette adapter, or short-range FM transmitter gizmo just to play 
modern media thru my oldeskoole dual-shaft deck.  If I have to use a 
cassette adapter, then cassette performance becomes more important 
(at least from the playback head to the output signal; the transport 
itself can be knackered so long as it doesn't induce any noise %^).

In lieu of other dual-shaft Nak decks, can anyone recommend 
other-brand models which I might consider (e.g., I know Soundstream 
and Proton offered dual-shaft units, and have heard good word on some 
dual-shaft Harman/Kardon and early Concord (!) units).


Much obliged!
-- 
Tyson F Nuss
Webmaster & Mac Guru
http://HTDoctor.com/
mailto:Webmaster at HTDoctor.com
phone:520/629-4491


From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Feb 22 14:51:23 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:51:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Please Remove Me
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F54Wt2H7ufgzqb00004bc3@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY9-F54Wt2H7ufgzqb00004bc3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4038B3DB.1030802@rcn.com>

Randy Peterson wrote:

> Please remove me form your mailing list

Your request has reached the readership, none of which
can do anything about it. I suggest you view Naks.com
for instructions on how to unsubscribe.

-- Ron




From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 22 19:15:51 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:15:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] dubbed from l.p.  VS. pr-recorded
References: <27441-40385873-1996@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001901c3f96f$e86ab820$73773242@CopyTech>

Again, Gerald, I never bought a pre-recorded cassette tape myself. I use to
buy my LP's with a companion blank tape in order to record it. 10 out of 10
times my domestic copy sounded superior to the pre-recorded version. I
already explained why this was as is/. When the cassette sound finally made
its best, it was already fading out and the CD was the king.

When I was younger and selling car audio gear, Nakamichi send us a couple of
Reference Recording tapes for demo. One of the favorites was the "James
Newton Howard and Friends" . It was recorded by Sheffield direct to the
masters and duplicated by Reference Recording sponsored by Nakamichi.
Duplication was real time with dolby C.

I made my own direct from the Sheffield CD to my Revox B 215 with dolby B on
a TDK MA cassette tape . I found my guys fighting for that copy at the
moment of demo over the original one. By the way, Sheffield used TDK SA tape
and shell for their cassettes. .... and we are talking about a very special
duplication and recording. Imagine the high speed ones done at a bin loop
... no way Jose.

Carlos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:21 PM
Subject: [naktalk] dubbed from l.p. VS. pr-recorded


> hi- still looking for feedback about the best  pre-recorded cassette
> tapes Vis-a-Vie dubbed from l.p  tapes.i have been comparing some of my
> best pre-recorded tapes with some excellent dubbed from l.p.
> cassestes,and although some pre-recorded tapes are very dynamic and
> sound excellent,there seems to be less of a "vieled" sound in the dubbed
> from l.p.tapes,they are brighter,have more prescence,but not necessarily
> more richness or "ambience"
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 22 19:20:28 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:20:28 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dual-shaft car head units?
References: <200402221100.i1MB0Sjv026402@zebra.naks.com>
	<a05210600bc5e5cf9228e@[206.97.60.196]>
Message-ID: <002901c3f970$8d963270$73773242@CopyTech>

Tyson:

That's not a limitation for a good car installer these days. They can
practically fix anything into everything. It will come at a price, of
course, but they can even modify your dash in order to accept any kind of
radio chassis without disturbing the appearance.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tyson F Nuss, esq." <chaoboy at theriver.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:41 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Dual-shaft car head units?


> Greets, all!
>
> Does anyone know if Nak produced mobile audio head units/decks in the
> dual-shaft configuration (i.e., one big knob on each side), aside
> from the legendary TD-1200II series (and their little sister, the
> TD-800)? ...
>



From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Feb 22 17:54:56 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:54:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Pre-Recorded
Message-ID: <000d01c3f964$9a148df0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Gerald,

I can't offer too much about pre-recorded cassette tapes because I have very few of them.  For years, I dubbed my vinyls onto cassette for everyday listening to preserve the LPs.  Then along came CDs, and with them the 'remastered' and re-released albums from yesteryear.  I find that my old dubbed cassettes sound way richer than current CD re-releases of the same material.  Since I made them from brand new LPs at the time, there is also very little surface noise.  Even my own cassette to cassette copies (Dragon to CR-7) sound better than many of the new CDs.

I am now dubbing from some of my LP collection to CD and cassette, but doing it digitally at the trusty old computer.  Even my 'new' CDs sound better than the pre-recorded ones.  My most recent example is a Moody Blues Anthology CD from Polydor.  They don't say in the insert what source materials they used to re-master from, but the original releases were from several different labels including Decca, Sony, Threshold, and Polygram, so they likely used LPs or CDs as source rather than studio tape.  My own dubs from my now vintage Moody Blues LPs are far richer.....even after applying a click and pop filter.  It sounds to me like the commercial CD suffers from some rather heavy handed filtering.  The most notable losses are in the higher frequencies.

Unfortunately I always stayed away from the pre-recorded cassettes, because I suspected the quality would be mediocre.  After reading some of the recent Naktalk discussion on found treasures amongst the 'garbage', I may have missed a bet?

Robert Kent
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From lists at richardhess.com  Sun Feb 22 20:34:43 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:34:43 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CD quality (was Pre-Recorded)
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3f964$9a148df0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040222112129.04f2bdd0@127.0.0.1>

At 08:54 AM 2/22/2004 -0800, rjkent at comcast.net wrote:
>Hi Gerald,
>
>I can't offer too much about pre-recorded cassette tapes because I have 
>very few of them.  For years, I dubbed my vinyls onto cassette for 
>everyday listening to preserve the LPs.  Then along came CDs, and with 
>them the 'remastered' and re-released albums from yesteryear.  I find that 
>my old dubbed cassettes sound way richer than current CD re-releases of 
>the same material.  Since I made them from brand new LPs at the time, 
>there is also very little surface noise.  Even my own cassette to cassette 
>copies (Dragon to CR-7) sound better than many of the new CDs.
>
>I am now dubbing from some of my LP collection to CD and cassette, but 
>doing it digitally at the trusty old computer.  Even my 'new' CDs sound 
>better than the pre-recorded ones.  My most recent example is a Moody 
>Blues Anthology CD from Polydor.  They don't say in the insert what source 
>materials they used to re-master from, but the original releases were from 
>several different labels including Decca, Sony, Threshold, and Polygram, 
>so they likely used LPs or CDs as source rather than studio tape.  My own 
>dubs from my now vintage Moody Blues LPs are far richer.....even after 
>applying a click and pop filter.  It sounds to me like the commercial CD 
>suffers from some rather heavy handed filtering.  The most notable losses 
>are in the higher frequencies.

Robert,

While I don't want to get into an LP vs CD debate, I must commend you for 
properly analyzing the problem with CDs. No one would assume (at first) 
that the CDs released by the major labels were not the very best they could 
be, but, on the other hand, we were all tempted to blame the format by 
saying "CDs don't sound as good as LPs."

Well, Robert, by making your own CDs that sound better than released CDs 
you're proving that the sound on the CD is not a limitation of the format.

I would like to offer up some examples of sound quality:

Original Cast "South Pacific" WAS released on a good-sounding CD at one 
point. The current one has some horrid problems.

Original Cast "Man of LaMancha" was released on CD (at least the copy I 
have) without the professional mastering of the LP. On the other hand, I 
also think (but I'm not 100% certain) that the tape was recorded with 
"Ampex Master Equalization" (aka "AME") and was NOT properly played back.

On the other hand -- and I'll admit to being prejudiced because of my 
involvement -- Alan Silverman did an absolutely WONDERFUL job of restoring 
Judy Collins's 1963 and 1964 albums "3" and "The Judy Collins Concert" now 
called simply "4" from the original master tapes.

What was interesting was that he/Elektra/Judy did NOT have an LP copy to 
use as a reference. When I sent him a lovingly restored CD of a pristine 
(sealed) vinyl copy that I obtained about ten years ago, he said it caused 
him to rethink his mastering strategy. I highly commend this as a very good 
example of what can be done with 40 year old analog master tapes when you 
take the time and care. The CD sounds far better than the LP in the 
normal-LP-nasties way and sounds essentially the same as regards the sonic 
presentation and the musicality.

We have "modern" standards being imposed on CDs that don't relate to the 
original musicality. I had two of my master recordings released on CD about 
two years ago and it was a big tug-of-war with the mastering engineer 
between his interpretation of the record label's "standards" and my desire 
(and the original artist's desire) for a pristine transfer. Some of the 
organ windchest noise was removed by Cedar. It WASN'T tape hiss--it was 
windchest noise, oh well. Even from the late 70s when I adopted Dolby A, my 
15 in/s two tracks' noise floor was well below the ambient in most churches 
with pipe organs (with the organ on).

(end of rant--thanks!)

Cheers,

Richard 




From britri at comcast.net  Mon Feb 23 03:41:30 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:41:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dual-shaft car head units?
References: <200402221100.i1MB0Sjv026402@zebra.naks.com>
	<a05210600bc5e5cf9228e@[206.97.60.196]>
Message-ID: <4039685A.6030006@comcast.net>

What kind of a car do you have?

They make so many kits for every dash out there so that a dual shaft can 
be adapted into a DIN hole very easily

Brian

Tyson F Nuss, esq. wrote:

> Greets, all!
>
> Does anyone know if Nak produced mobile audio head units/decks in the 
> dual-shaft configuration (i.e., one big knob on each side), aside from 
> the legendary TD-1200II series (and their little sister, the TD-800)?
>
> In case you're wondering, my car's dashboard is designed to accept a 
> dual-shaft type of head unit, and it would be VERY difficult to modify 
> for installation of a modern, DIN-style chassis; furthermore, while 
> I'm not ready to spend big bux right now on a custom system with the 
> extensive dash mods required, I'd still appreciate having a deck with 
> better sound quality than the old Sony unit that came installed in the 
> car when I bought it, and I remember my old Nak TD-700 DIN-chassis 
> model quite fondly (still have it, in fact, albeit needing 
> probably-nominal service to make the tape transport load tapes properly).
>
> For this application, an obvious choice is the Nakamichi 
> TD-1200II/-800 models.  However, these models are hard to find, 
> nevermind affordably, and may not work in my dash, as the head unit is 
> mounted with its face sunken into a "well" in the dash, which allows a 
> blank plate to be snapped in front of the well, giving the appearance 
> of no radio; however, the depth and short height of this well may 
> interfere with access to the slide-out drawer for tape loading in the 
> 1200/800.
>
> Furthermore, cassette playback quality is less a concern to me than 
> the quality of the tuner (not a mobile Nak strong point %^) and of 
> overall sonic output, as well as the presence of an auxiliary 
> line-level input; since dual-shaft CD player decks are dimensionally 
> impossible %^J, I intend to use either a Discman, remote CD changer, 
> or more likely an iPod that I can plug into the deck's Aux line-in 
> jack, and I would prefer to avoid having to use an RF coupler, 
> cassette adapter, or short-range FM transmitter gizmo just to play 
> modern media thru my oldeskoole dual-shaft deck.  If I have to use a 
> cassette adapter, then cassette performance becomes more important (at 
> least from the playback head to the output signal; the transport 
> itself can be knackered so long as it doesn't induce any noise %^).
>
> In lieu of other dual-shaft Nak decks, can anyone recommend 
> other-brand models which I might consider (e.g., I know Soundstream 
> and Proton offered dual-shaft units, and have heard good word on some 
> dual-shaft Harman/Kardon and early Concord (!) units).
>
>
> Much obliged!





From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Feb 23 09:14:56 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:14:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Loop test
Message-ID: <s039d2a9.013@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Testing time of loop

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From chaoboy at theriver.com  Mon Feb 23 14:40:58 2004
From: chaoboy at theriver.com (Tyson F Nuss, esq.)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:40:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dual-shaft car head units?
Message-ID: <a05210601bc5fa4a67e3d@[206.97.60.196]>

In response to a couple responses, namely...

Quoth Carlos:
>That's not a limitation for a good car installer these days. They can
>practically fix anything into everything. It will come at a price, of
>course, but they can even modify your dash in order to accept any kind of
>radio chassis without disturbing the appearance.

...and Quoth Brian:
>What kind of a car do you have?
>
>They make so many kits for every dash out there so that a dual shaft can
>be adapted into a DIN hole very easily

I understand and appreciate your suggestions; my original post was 
pretty long already, so I wasn't gonna get into this, but since you 
brought it up...

I recently purchased a 1979 Lancia Zagato (in brief, a Lancia of this 
era was essentially an upscale Fiat, sorta like Acuras are to Hondas 
nowadays), and would like to upgrade from the Sony dual-shaft head 
unit that came with the car, strictly as a DIY on-the-cheap project. 
I already did pretty well with my last cheap-but-good DIY install 
with 100% used, reconditioned or closeout gear in my late, lamented 
Audi 5000 wagon, years ago -- a Nak TD-700 deck running to a Hafler 
6-channel amp under the tailgate floor, powering four Advent ICT 4" 
drivers (GREAT clarity and stereo imaging, wish they still sold these 
drivers here) and a 6" dia. Bazooka tube sub in the back, all -- so 
I'm primed to tackle a cheap-but-good upgrade on the Lancia myself.

Since few people are at all familiar with this car, let alone its 
dashboard in particular (nevermind finding a prefab kit anywhere! 
%^), I'll explain the problem.  First, as I said, the dash was 
designed to accept a dual-shaft head unit, mounted from behind such 
that the faceplate and knobs are sunken into a 2-3" deep "well" in 
the dash fascia.  This well, and the entire face of the head unit 
along with it, can be covered with a plastic blank plate, which gives 
the appearance of "no radio installed"; however, even with this 
stealth plate snapped in place, the large volume/tuning knobs (of a 
dual-shaft head unit) and lower row of preset buttons are still 
accessible "by feel" from underneath, thanks to a well-placed notch 
along the lower edge of the well (also used to grip the plate when 
pulling it off for full access).

Theoretically, I could saw away the shaft apertures in the plastic of 
the dash fascia, and in the metal behind that, to fashion a DIN-sized 
opening to accept, say, my old TD-700 (assuming I got its tape 
transport repaired %^); however, screws adjacent to the shaft 
apertures hold the dash fascia's entire center section (everything 
between the gauges and the glovebox) in place, so then I'd have to 
modify the plastic fascia itself to keep it securely attached to the 
rest of the dash by some other means (not readily apparent, and I've 
looked already).  Honestly, all that is a bit more surgery than I 
care to undertake myself or pay a professional big $$$ to custom-fab 
for me at this point.

In other news, searching old Usenet posts on Google, I've refreshed 
my memory that Proton and Soundstream both once offered 
audiophile-quality dual-shaft units with good tape sections and good 
Schotz FM tuners (whereas Nak decks were never really known nor 
bought for radio reception %^), possibly with Aux line inputs as 
well, so I might be looking for one of those on eBay.  I still 
suspect the Nak TD-1200/800 models might pose a problem, unless their 
slide-out tape drawers could still accept cassettes if the entire top 
side is obstructed out to 2-3" away from the faceplate, covered by 
the top wall of the dash well I described above.


Thx for your advice,
- Tyson


From britri at comcast.net  Mon Feb 23 18:37:35 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:37:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dual-shaft car head units?
References: <a05210601bc5fa4a67e3d@[206.97.60.196]>
Message-ID: <403A3A5F.5040408@comcast.net>

Check out old concord decks too.  1 of the best systems for a while was 
a concord deck tapped directly off the head and run into a sep preamp 
(audiomobile brand, I think).. I don't recall where the tuner output was 
picked up.  However they were used because this was pre nak and the best 
1 to use at the time.  

Or, try to find a nak 250 and some ads 2002's (that is what I have in my 
disabled full size van and when you get to a vacation site you can 
disconnect, place in your room, cabin, etc and enjoy) .  Excellent sound 
and imaging and no annoying licenseplate rattling bass.

Yeah, its an 80's thing but so are good naks!

Does anybody else do or did this?

Brian

Tyson F Nuss, esq. wrote:

> In response to a couple responses, namely...
>
> Quoth Carlos:
>
>> That's not a limitation for a good car installer these days. They can
>> practically fix anything into everything. It will come at a price, of
>> course, but they can even modify your dash in order to accept any kind of
>> radio chassis without disturbing the appearance.
>
>
> ...and Quoth Brian:
>
>> What kind of a car do you have?
>>
>> They make so many kits for every dash out there so that a dual shaft can
>> be adapted into a DIN hole very easily
>
>
> I understand and appreciate your suggestions; my original post was 
> pretty long already, so I wasn't gonna get into this, but since you 
> brought it up...
>
> I recently purchased a 1979 Lancia Zagato (in brief, a Lancia of this 
> era was essentially an upscale Fiat, sorta like Acuras are to Hondas 
> nowadays), and would like to upgrade from the Sony dual-shaft head 
> unit that came with the car, strictly as a DIY on-the-cheap project. I 
> already did pretty well with my last cheap-but-good DIY install with 
> 100% used, reconditioned or closeout gear in my late, lamented Audi 
> 5000 wagon, years ago -- a Nak TD-700 deck running to a Hafler 
> 6-channel amp under the tailgate floor, powering four Advent ICT 4" 
> drivers (GREAT clarity and stereo imaging, wish they still sold these 
> drivers here) and a 6" dia. Bazooka tube sub in the back, all -- so 
> I'm primed to tackle a cheap-but-good upgrade on the Lancia myself.
>
> Since few people are at all familiar with this car, let alone its 
> dashboard in particular (nevermind finding a prefab kit anywhere! %^), 
> I'll explain the problem.  First, as I said, the dash was designed to 
> accept a dual-shaft head unit, mounted from behind such that the 
> faceplate and knobs are sunken into a 2-3" deep "well" in the dash 
> fascia.  This well, and the entire face of the head unit along with 
> it, can be covered with a plastic blank plate, which gives the 
> appearance of "no radio installed"; however, even with this stealth 
> plate snapped in place, the large volume/tuning knobs (of a dual-shaft 
> head unit) and lower row of preset buttons are still accessible "by 
> feel" from underneath, thanks to a well-placed notch along the lower 
> edge of the well (also used to grip the plate when pulling it off for 
> full access).
>
> Theoretically, I could saw away the shaft apertures in the plastic of 
> the dash fascia, and in the metal behind that, to fashion a DIN-sized 
> opening to accept, say, my old TD-700 (assuming I got its tape 
> transport repaired %^); however, screws adjacent to the shaft 
> apertures hold the dash fascia's entire center section (everything 
> between the gauges and the glovebox) in place, so then I'd have to 
> modify the plastic fascia itself to keep it securely attached to the 
> rest of the dash by some other means (not readily apparent, and I've 
> looked already).  Honestly, all that is a bit more surgery than I care 
> to undertake myself or pay a professional big $$$ to custom-fab for me 
> at this point.
>
> In other news, searching old Usenet posts on Google, I've refreshed my 
> memory that Proton and Soundstream both once offered 
> audiophile-quality dual-shaft units with good tape sections and good 
> Schotz FM tuners (whereas Nak decks were never really known nor bought 
> for radio reception %^), possibly with Aux line inputs as well, so I 
> might be looking for one of those on eBay.  I still suspect the Nak 
> TD-1200/800 models might pose a problem, unless their slide-out tape 
> drawers could still accept cassettes if the entire top side is 
> obstructed out to 2-3" away from the faceplate, covered by the top 
> wall of the dash well I described above.
>
>
> Thx for your advice,
> - Tyson
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Mon Feb 23 19:22:44 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:22:44 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
Message-ID: <20127900@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb 24 00:13:01 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:13:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dual-shaft car head units?
References: <a05210601bc5fa4a67e3d@[206.97.60.196]>
Message-ID: <000f01c3fa62$9592f100$39773242@CopyTech>

I use to have a Soundstream unit in an Impulse that I use to have any moons
ago and it was simply amazing, specially the cassette deck. Nice ergonomics
too.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tyson F Nuss, esq." <chaoboy at theriver.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dual-shaft car head units?


> In response to a couple responses, namely...
>
> Quoth Carlos:
> >That's not a limitation for a good car installer these days. They can
> >practically fix anything into everything. It will come at a price, of
> >course, but they can even modify your dash in order to accept any kind of
> >radio chassis without disturbing the appearance.
>
> ...and Quoth Brian:
> >What kind of a car do you have?
> >
> >They make so many kits for every dash out there so that a dual shaft can
> >be adapted into a DIN hole very easily
>
> I understand and appreciate your suggestions; my original post was
> pretty long already, so I wasn't gonna get into this, but since you
> brought it up...
>
> I recently purchased a 1979 Lancia Zagato (in brief, a Lancia of this
> era was essentially an upscale Fiat, sorta like Acuras are to Hondas
> nowadays), and would like to upgrade from the Sony dual-shaft head
> unit that came with the car, strictly as a DIY on-the-cheap project.
> I already did pretty well with my last cheap-but-good DIY install
> with 100% used, reconditioned or closeout gear in my late, lamented
> Audi 5000 wagon, years ago -- a Nak TD-700 deck running to a Hafler
> 6-channel amp under the tailgate floor, powering four Advent ICT 4"
> drivers (GREAT clarity and stereo imaging, wish they still sold these
> drivers here) and a 6" dia. Bazooka tube sub in the back, all -- so
> I'm primed to tackle a cheap-but-good upgrade on the Lancia myself.
>
> Since few people are at all familiar with this car, let alone its
> dashboard in particular (nevermind finding a prefab kit anywhere!
> %^), I'll explain the problem.  First, as I said, the dash was
> designed to accept a dual-shaft head unit, mounted from behind such
> that the faceplate and knobs are sunken into a 2-3" deep "well" in
> the dash fascia.  This well, and the entire face of the head unit
> along with it, can be covered with a plastic blank plate, which gives
> the appearance of "no radio installed"; however, even with this
> stealth plate snapped in place, the large volume/tuning knobs (of a
> dual-shaft head unit) and lower row of preset buttons are still
> accessible "by feel" from underneath, thanks to a well-placed notch
> along the lower edge of the well (also used to grip the plate when
> pulling it off for full access).
>
> Theoretically, I could saw away the shaft apertures in the plastic of
> the dash fascia, and in the metal behind that, to fashion a DIN-sized
> opening to accept, say, my old TD-700 (assuming I got its tape
> transport repaired %^); however, screws adjacent to the shaft
> apertures hold the dash fascia's entire center section (everything
> between the gauges and the glovebox) in place, so then I'd have to
> modify the plastic fascia itself to keep it securely attached to the
> rest of the dash by some other means (not readily apparent, and I've
> looked already).  Honestly, all that is a bit more surgery than I
> care to undertake myself or pay a professional big $$$ to custom-fab
> for me at this point.
>
> In other news, searching old Usenet posts on Google, I've refreshed
> my memory that Proton and Soundstream both once offered
> audiophile-quality dual-shaft units with good tape sections and good
> Schotz FM tuners (whereas Nak decks were never really known nor
> bought for radio reception %^), possibly with Aux line inputs as
> well, so I might be looking for one of those on eBay.  I still
> suspect the Nak TD-1200/800 models might pose a problem, unless their
> slide-out tape drawers could still accept cassettes if the entire top
> side is obstructed out to 2-3" away from the faceplate, covered by
> the top wall of the dash well I described above.
>
>
> Thx for your advice,
> - Tyson
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Mon Feb 23 20:15:55 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:15:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
In-Reply-To: <20127900@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
References: <20127900@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <403A516B.9080802@rcn.com>

Fred Lifton wrote:

> --- Stan wrote:
> Unless you want to match the CD player to other equipment you have, IMHO,
> most CD/DVD players on the market today, even the $100 ones, will outperform
> CDP-2A class machine from Nakamichi or Luxman from the 80's, and will be
> able to play more formats (CD-R/RW's, MP3's, etc).
> --- end of quote ---
> 
> I must respectfully disagree with Stan. I currently have a 6 mos. old $150 Sony
> DVD/CD player and a Luxman D-117 CD player (late 80's vintage, sadly post Alpine
> take-over). There is a very dramatic, pronounced difference in the sound between
> them. I'll spare you the usual audiophile descriptors (presence, separation,
> imaging), suffice to say the Luxman sounds vastly superior. I suspect the
> difference lies in the DAC and line amplification. All the oversampling in the
> world can't make up for a shoddy signal path. 
> 
> Anyone else have any thoughts? Luxman cassette decks v. Naks?
> best,
> Fred

Don't know about Nak vs. Luxman CD machines. However...

In general, Stan is correct. Most $150 modern CD players easily 
outperform vintage units that used to cost several times as much
  (or, at least, should). Note that key words are 'in general'
and 'most'. Not 'always' and not 'every'.

The reason is that today's audiophile op amps are cheap, yet
easily sound better than vintage discrete circuits.  Same
holds true for DACs, transports, etc. Modern digital components
(i. e. processors), packaging (i.e. SMT) and manufacturing (i.e.
high density PCBs) techniques have reduced cost while improving
performance.

-- Ron





From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Feb 24 08:57:51 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:57:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
Message-ID: <s03b2034.029@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Sure Fred - I must say, I have not really examined that closely the
comparative performance of the current flock of entry level DVD players
that also happen to play upteen other formats as I would automatically
prefer a dedicated CD player from an output electronics point of view to
play CDs and therefore never use my DVD player to perform this
function.

I have heard very impressive multi-bit CD players from the eighties -
on of which was a Denon DCD-3560.  It was their flagship model with, as
far as I remember had dual LAMBDA 20-bit DACs.  I believe it featured
seperate PSs for mechanism and electronics.  I would be surprised if
modern multi-format dinki-toys sound as powerful, rich or revealing as
this beast did.

Just my half-pennies worth on quite a discursive subject.  Sadly I
never did hear a Luxman cassette deck!!  What are the desirable models
to look out for?

Cheers,

Marc

>>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/23/04 08:13PM >>>
--- Stan wrote:
Unless you want to match the CD player to other equipment you have,
IMHO,
most CD/DVD players on the market today, even the $100 ones, will
outperform
CDP-2A class machine from Nakamichi or Luxman from the 80's, and will
be
able to play more formats (CD-R/RW's, MP3's, etc).
--- end of quote ---

I must respectfully disagree with Stan. I currently have a 6 mos. old
$150 Sony
DVD/CD player and a Luxman D-117 CD player (late 80's vintage, sadly
post Alpine
take-over). There is a very dramatic, pronounced difference in the
sound between
them. I'll spare you the usual audiophile descriptors (presence,
separation,
imaging), suffice to say the Luxman sounds vastly superior. I suspect
the
difference lies in the DAC and line amplification. All the oversampling
in the
world can't make up for a shoddy signal path. 

Anyone else have any thoughts? Luxman cassette decks v. Naks?
best,
Fred

"Mankind will not be free until the last king is strangled with the
entrails of
the last priest." Attributed by Edward Abbey to Louisa May Alcott
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue Feb 24 10:18:16 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:18:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
References: <s03b2034.029@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000e01c3fab7$23265620$1410a8c0@tg>

Hugo,

Luxman made  impressive cass. decks in that era and I own one of them ;
unfortunately due to extremely complicated electronics it still can not be
repaired (failure in auto tape tuning and in consequent recording)

You can check this amazing machine at ;

http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/k-05.htm

Electronics used inside are surprisingly minimum in double as much as used
in NAK ZX9!!!
Also, this deck (with 3 head) has pad lifter and perfrorms self/automatic
demagnetizing!!!

Get one if you can, but never seen on auctions for so many years.

CD players, other than having "upsampler" inbuilt/outbuilt, I can also
suggest TEAC VDRSx20 20bit DAC, which has "digital input" to use its DAC
with other digital media such as DAT etc. For a CD player I have always
found it interesting.. This model is expecially well known with warm bass
performance.

Keep Nakking!!
T.Gunay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman


> Sure Fred - I must say, I have not really examined that closely the
> comparative performance of the current flock of entry level DVD players
> that also happen to play upteen other formats as I would automatically
> prefer a dedicated CD player from an output electronics point of view to
> play CDs and therefore never use my DVD player to perform this
> function.
>
> I have heard very impressive multi-bit CD players from the eighties -
> on of which was a Denon DCD-3560.  It was their flagship model with, as
> far as I remember had dual LAMBDA 20-bit DACs.  I believe it featured
> seperate PSs for mechanism and electronics.  I would be surprised if
> modern multi-format dinki-toys sound as powerful, rich or revealing as
> this beast did.
>
> Just my half-pennies worth on quite a discursive subject.  Sadly I
> never did hear a Luxman cassette deck!!  What are the desirable models
> to look out for?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
> >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/23/04 08:13PM >>>
> --- Stan wrote:
> Unless you want to match the CD player to other equipment you have,
> IMHO,
> most CD/DVD players on the market today, even the $100 ones, will
> outperform
> CDP-2A class machine from Nakamichi or Luxman from the 80's, and will
> be
> able to play more formats (CD-R/RW's, MP3's, etc).
> --- end of quote ---
>
> I must respectfully disagree with Stan. I currently have a 6 mos. old
> $150 Sony
> DVD/CD player and a Luxman D-117 CD player (late 80's vintage, sadly
> post Alpine
> take-over). There is a very dramatic, pronounced difference in the
> sound between
> them. I'll spare you the usual audiophile descriptors (presence,
> separation,
> imaging), suffice to say the Luxman sounds vastly superior. I suspect
> the
> difference lies in the DAC and line amplification. All the oversampling
> in the
> world can't make up for a shoddy signal path.
>
> Anyone else have any thoughts? Luxman cassette decks v. Naks?
> best,
> Fred
>
> "Mankind will not be free until the last king is strangled with the
> entrails of
> the last priest." Attributed by Edward Abbey to Louisa May Alcott
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From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se  Tue Feb 24 13:29:44 2004
From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:29:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tapes
In-Reply-To: <40229CE1.8000702@rcn.com>
References: <BAY2-F54ydnmKLjqOnX0000e461@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <403B51C8.29745.F089C3@localhost>

I have listened to my CD`s some days, and they are so good!
very interesting music and fantastic sound quality.
Thank´s to all which make this thing happen.
Roy




From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb 24 19:19:27 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:19:27 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tapes
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Message-ID: <001c01c3fb02$bd91c820$02773242@CopyTech>

Thanks ! Enjoy it !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon tapes


> I have listened to my CD`s some days, and they are so good!
> very interesting music and fantastic sound quality.
> Thank´s to all which make this thing happen.
> Roy
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb 24 21:37:10 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:37:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
References: <s03b2034.029@mroute.sunint.co.za>
	<000e01c3fab7$23265620$1410a8c0@tg>
Message-ID: <001701c3fb15$fd5b2600$4b773242@CopyTech>

Nice deck. Too bad you can not fix it !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman


> Hugo,
>
> Luxman made  impressive cass. decks in that era and I own one of them ;
> unfortunately due to extremely complicated electronics it still can not be
> repaired (failure in auto tape tuning and in consequent recording)
>
> You can check this amazing machine at ;
>
> http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/k-05.htm
>
> Electronics used inside are surprisingly minimum in double as much as used
> in NAK ZX9!!!
> Also, this deck (with 3 head) has pad lifter and perfrorms self/automatic
> demagnetizing!!!
>
> Get one if you can, but never seen on auctions for so many years.
>
> CD players, other than having "upsampler" inbuilt/outbuilt, I can also
> suggest TEAC VDRSx20 20bit DAC, which has "digital input" to use its DAC
> with other digital media such as DAT etc. For a CD player I have always
> found it interesting.. This model is expecially well known with warm bass
> performance.
>
> Keep Nakking!!
> T.Gunay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:57 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
>
>
> > Sure Fred - I must say, I have not really examined that closely the
> > comparative performance of the current flock of entry level DVD players
> > that also happen to play upteen other formats as I would automatically
> > prefer a dedicated CD player from an output electronics point of view to
> > play CDs and therefore never use my DVD player to perform this
> > function.
> >
> > I have heard very impressive multi-bit CD players from the eighties -
> > on of which was a Denon DCD-3560.  It was their flagship model with, as
> > far as I remember had dual LAMBDA 20-bit DACs.  I believe it featured
> > seperate PSs for mechanism and electronics.  I would be surprised if
> > modern multi-format dinki-toys sound as powerful, rich or revealing as
> > this beast did.
> >
> > Just my half-pennies worth on quite a discursive subject.  Sadly I
> > never did hear a Luxman cassette deck!!  What are the desirable models
> > to look out for?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/23/04 08:13PM >>>
> > --- Stan wrote:
> > Unless you want to match the CD player to other equipment you have,
> > IMHO,
> > most CD/DVD players on the market today, even the $100 ones, will
> > outperform
> > CDP-2A class machine from Nakamichi or Luxman from the 80's, and will
> > be
> > able to play more formats (CD-R/RW's, MP3's, etc).
> > --- end of quote ---
> >
> > I must respectfully disagree with Stan. I currently have a 6 mos. old
> > $150 Sony
> > DVD/CD player and a Luxman D-117 CD player (late 80's vintage, sadly
> > post Alpine
> > take-over). There is a very dramatic, pronounced difference in the
> > sound between
> > them. I'll spare you the usual audiophile descriptors (presence,
> > separation,
> > imaging), suffice to say the Luxman sounds vastly superior. I suspect
> > the
> > difference lies in the DAC and line amplification. All the oversampling
> > in the
> > world can't make up for a shoddy signal path.
> >
> > Anyone else have any thoughts? Luxman cassette decks v. Naks?
> > best,
> > Fred
> >
> > "Mankind will not be free until the last king is strangled with the
> > entrails of
> > the last priest." Attributed by Edward Abbey to Louisa May Alcott
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > Maintain your account here:
> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >
> > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be
subject
> > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or
> more
> > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the
use
> of the
> > named recipient/s.
> >
> > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute,
> disclose
> > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in
> reliance on it.
> > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by
> replying to
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> > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss
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> > from the use of this email or attachments.
> >
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Feb 24 17:42:02 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:42:02 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
References: <s03b2034.029@mroute.sunint.co.za><000e01c3fab7$23265620$1410a8c0@tg>
	<001701c3fb15$fd5b2600$4b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001401c3faf5$21223f90$c39a4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

i have a luxman kx-101  (from after alpine bought them out), its an entry
level one i think, looks good but plasticky? compared to solid decks like
the old naks and top pioneer etc
phill
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman


> Nice deck. Too bad you can not fix it !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
>
>
> > Hugo,
> >
> > Luxman made  impressive cass. decks in that era and I own one of them ;
> > unfortunately due to extremely complicated electronics it still can not
be
> > repaired (failure in auto tape tuning and in consequent recording)
> >
> > You can check this amazing machine at ;
> >
> > http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/k-05.htm
> >
> > Electronics used inside are surprisingly minimum in double as much as
used
> > in NAK ZX9!!!
> > Also, this deck (with 3 head) has pad lifter and perfrorms
self/automatic
> > demagnetizing!!!
> >
> > Get one if you can, but never seen on auctions for so many years.
> >
> > CD players, other than having "upsampler" inbuilt/outbuilt, I can also
> > suggest TEAC VDRSx20 20bit DAC, which has "digital input" to use its DAC
> > with other digital media such as DAT etc. For a CD player I have always
> > found it interesting.. This model is expecially well known with warm
bass
> > performance.
> >
> > Keep Nakking!!
> > T.Gunay
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:57 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
> >
> >
> > > Sure Fred - I must say, I have not really examined that closely the
> > > comparative performance of the current flock of entry level DVD
players
> > > that also happen to play upteen other formats as I would automatically
> > > prefer a dedicated CD player from an output electronics point of view
to
> > > play CDs and therefore never use my DVD player to perform this
> > > function.
> > >
> > > I have heard very impressive multi-bit CD players from the eighties -
> > > on of which was a Denon DCD-3560.  It was their flagship model with,
as
> > > far as I remember had dual LAMBDA 20-bit DACs.  I believe it featured
> > > seperate PSs for mechanism and electronics.  I would be surprised if
> > > modern multi-format dinki-toys sound as powerful, rich or revealing as
> > > this beast did.
> > >
> > > Just my half-pennies worth on quite a discursive subject.  Sadly I
> > > never did hear a Luxman cassette deck!!  What are the desirable models
> > > to look out for?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/23/04 08:13PM >>>
> > > --- Stan wrote:
> > > Unless you want to match the CD player to other equipment you have,
> > > IMHO,
> > > most CD/DVD players on the market today, even the $100 ones, will
> > > outperform
> > > CDP-2A class machine from Nakamichi or Luxman from the 80's, and will
> > > be
> > > able to play more formats (CD-R/RW's, MP3's, etc).
> > > --- end of quote ---
> > >
> > > I must respectfully disagree with Stan. I currently have a 6 mos. old
> > > $150 Sony
> > > DVD/CD player and a Luxman D-117 CD player (late 80's vintage, sadly
> > > post Alpine
> > > take-over). There is a very dramatic, pronounced difference in the
> > > sound between
> > > them. I'll spare you the usual audiophile descriptors (presence,
> > > separation,
> > > imaging), suffice to say the Luxman sounds vastly superior. I suspect
> > > the
> > > difference lies in the DAC and line amplification. All the
oversampling
> > > in the
> > > world can't make up for a shoddy signal path.
> > >
> > > Anyone else have any thoughts? Luxman cassette decks v. Naks?
> > > best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > "Mankind will not be free until the last king is strangled with the
> > > entrails of
> > > the last priest." Attributed by Edward Abbey to Louisa May Alcott
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> > > Maintain your account here:
> > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> > >
> > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be
> subject
> > > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one
or
> > more
> > > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the
> use
> > of the
> > > named recipient/s.
> > >
> > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy,
distribute,
> > disclose
> > > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in
> > reliance on it.
> > > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by
> > replying to
> > > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from
your
> > computer.
> > >
> > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses
are
> > present
> > > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any
loss
> or
> > damage arising
> > > from the use of this email or attachments.
> > >
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Feb 24 17:44:21 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:44:21 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] replys
Message-ID: <001f01c3faf5$73f76330$c39a4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
can i reply to an individuals email i receive to have it sent throughout nakstalk or do i use the address at the end of the email-mailinglist?
phill
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Tue Feb 24 21:01:01 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:01:01 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
In-Reply-To: <001701c3fb15$fd5b2600$4b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEECFCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Sorry guys for the confusion ...

My reply was regarding Nak CDP-2 CD which I still claim was nothing special.
Yes, OMS-5/7 were great, same for 3560, but this one was not, and can be
outclassed by most crappy decks on the market today.

I had at one point of time a Denon 1560, and it was a wonderful unit, not to
mention 3560, which at $2500 at the time was their top of the line. Yes,
tehre were decks on the market 10 years ago that were great, but it was not
CDP-2 equivalent.

As far as Luxman, I used to own in early 80's, their, 5K-50M unit. It was
absolutelly awesome. But again, it costed more than most Nak's on the market
at that time. It was in the ZX-9 price range. Was it better than ZX-9 - NO.
Was it better than LX-5, for sure [I can see flames coming out].

Peace.

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of El Magnifico
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:37 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman


Nice deck. Too bad you can not fix it !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman


> Hugo,
>
> Luxman made  impressive cass. decks in that era and I own one of them ;
> unfortunately due to extremely complicated electronics it still can not be
> repaired (failure in auto tape tuning and in consequent recording)
>
> You can check this amazing machine at ;
>
> http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/k-05.htm
>
> Electronics used inside are surprisingly minimum in double as much as used
> in NAK ZX9!!!
> Also, this deck (with 3 head) has pad lifter and perfrorms self/automatic
> demagnetizing!!!
>
> Get one if you can, but never seen on auctions for so many years.
>
> CD players, other than having "upsampler" inbuilt/outbuilt, I can also
> suggest TEAC VDRSx20 20bit DAC, which has "digital input" to use its DAC
> with other digital media such as DAT etc. For a CD player I have always
> found it interesting.. This model is expecially well known with warm bass
> performance.
>
> Keep Nakking!!
> T.Gunay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:57 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
>
>
> > Sure Fred - I must say, I have not really examined that closely the
> > comparative performance of the current flock of entry level DVD players
> > that also happen to play upteen other formats as I would automatically
> > prefer a dedicated CD player from an output electronics point of view to
> > play CDs and therefore never use my DVD player to perform this
> > function.
> >
> > I have heard very impressive multi-bit CD players from the eighties -
> > on of which was a Denon DCD-3560.  It was their flagship model with, as
> > far as I remember had dual LAMBDA 20-bit DACs.  I believe it featured
> > seperate PSs for mechanism and electronics.  I would be surprised if
> > modern multi-format dinki-toys sound as powerful, rich or revealing as
> > this beast did.
> >
> > Just my half-pennies worth on quite a discursive subject.  Sadly I
> > never did hear a Luxman cassette deck!!  What are the desirable models
> > to look out for?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/23/04 08:13PM >>>
> > --- Stan wrote:
> > Unless you want to match the CD player to other equipment you have,
> > IMHO,
> > most CD/DVD players on the market today, even the $100 ones, will
> > outperform
> > CDP-2A class machine from Nakamichi or Luxman from the 80's, and will
> > be
> > able to play more formats (CD-R/RW's, MP3's, etc).
> > --- end of quote ---
> >
> > I must respectfully disagree with Stan. I currently have a 6 mos. old
> > $150 Sony
> > DVD/CD player and a Luxman D-117 CD player (late 80's vintage, sadly
> > post Alpine
> > take-over). There is a very dramatic, pronounced difference in the
> > sound between
> > them. I'll spare you the usual audiophile descriptors (presence,
> > separation,
> > imaging), suffice to say the Luxman sounds vastly superior. I suspect
> > the
> > difference lies in the DAC and line amplification. All the oversampling
> > in the
> > world can't make up for a shoddy signal path.
> >
> > Anyone else have any thoughts? Luxman cassette decks v. Naks?
> > best,
> > Fred
> >
> > "Mankind will not be free until the last king is strangled with the
> > entrails of
> > the last priest." Attributed by Edward Abbey to Louisa May Alcott
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> > Maintain your account here:
> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
> >
========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >
> > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be
subject
> > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or
> more
> > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the
use
> of the
> > named recipient/s.
> >
> > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute,
> disclose
> > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in
> reliance on it.
> > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by
> replying to
> > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your
> computer.
> >
> > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are
> present
> > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss
or
> damage arising
> > from the use of this email or attachments.
> >
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> >
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From bobf at oodg.net  Tue Feb 24 22:00:04 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:00:04 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
In-Reply-To: <001401c3faf5$21223f90$c39a4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <200402242058.AOJ72982@ms9.verisignmail.com>

IMHO:
The best reason for buying the KX-101 was the DBX decoder.
If you happened to own an Alpine car deck and recorded on the Luxman
you got a recording with a dynamic range well above anything else. 

I also had some DBX encoded vinyl and they had almost CD dynamic range 
when played through the Luxman.  But like the previous poster said they 
were not as solid as the NAK.  The motor that drives the retracting 
faceplate was slightly underpowered and the big failure point.

Other than that and a few cleanings my Luxman performed flawlessly
for 30 years.  I bought the NAK only because it was a Dragon and since DBX
died out.  Real shame they would not license the technology as that, and the
three levels available, is what killed DBX

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of p r
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 08:42
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman

i have a luxman kx-101  (from after alpine bought them out), its an entry
level one i think, looks good but plasticky? compared to solid decks like
the old naks and top pioneer etc phill
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman


> Nice deck. Too bad you can not fix it !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
>
>
> > Hugo,
> >
> > Luxman made  impressive cass. decks in that era and I own one of 
> > them ; unfortunately due to extremely complicated electronics it 
> > still can not
be
> > repaired (failure in auto tape tuning and in consequent recording)
> >
> > You can check this amazing machine at ;
> >
> > http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/k-05.htm
> >
> > Electronics used inside are surprisingly minimum in double as much 
> > as
used
> > in NAK ZX9!!!
> > Also, this deck (with 3 head) has pad lifter and perfrorms
self/automatic
> > demagnetizing!!!
> >
> > Get one if you can, but never seen on auctions for so many years.
> >
> > CD players, other than having "upsampler" inbuilt/outbuilt, I can 
> > also suggest TEAC VDRSx20 20bit DAC, which has "digital input" to 
> > use its DAC with other digital media such as DAT etc. For a CD 
> > player I have always found it interesting.. This model is expecially 
> > well known with warm
bass
> > performance.
> >
> > Keep Nakking!!
> > T.Gunay
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:57 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] re: Nak CD players. Luxman
> >
> >
> > > Sure Fred - I must say, I have not really examined that closely 
> > > the comparative performance of the current flock of entry level 
> > > DVD
players
> > > that also happen to play upteen other formats as I would 
> > > automatically prefer a dedicated CD player from an output 
> > > electronics point of view
to
> > > play CDs and therefore never use my DVD player to perform this 
> > > function.
> > >
> > > I have heard very impressive multi-bit CD players from the 
> > > eighties - on of which was a Denon DCD-3560.  It was their 
> > > flagship model with,
as
> > > far as I remember had dual LAMBDA 20-bit DACs.  I believe it 
> > > featured seperate PSs for mechanism and electronics.  I would be 
> > > surprised if modern multi-format dinki-toys sound as powerful, 
> > > rich or revealing as this beast did.
> > >
> > > Just my half-pennies worth on quite a discursive subject.  Sadly I 
> > > never did hear a Luxman cassette deck!!  What are the desirable 
> > > models to look out for?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > > >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 02/23/04 08:13PM >>>
> > > --- Stan wrote:
> > > Unless you want to match the CD player to other equipment you 
> > > have, IMHO, most CD/DVD players on the market today, even the $100 
> > > ones, will outperform CDP-2A class machine from Nakamichi or 
> > > Luxman from the 80's, and will be able to play more formats 
> > > (CD-R/RW's, MP3's, etc).
> > > --- end of quote ---
> > >
> > > I must respectfully disagree with Stan. I currently have a 6 mos. 
> > > old $150 Sony DVD/CD player and a Luxman D-117 CD player (late 
> > > 80's vintage, sadly post Alpine take-over). There is a very 
> > > dramatic, pronounced difference in the sound between them. I'll 
> > > spare you the usual audiophile descriptors (presence, separation, 
> > > imaging), suffice to say the Luxman sounds vastly superior. I 
> > > suspect the difference lies in the DAC and line amplification. All 
> > > the
oversampling
> > > in the
> > > world can't make up for a shoddy signal path.
> > >
> > > Anyone else have any thoughts? Luxman cassette decks v. Naks?
> > > best,
> > > Fred
> > >
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> > > the entrails of the last priest." Attributed by Edward Abbey to 
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed Feb 25 15:28:28 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:28:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] dbx deck / car audio
Message-ID: <597-403CB10C-170@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

hi wth the recent posts regarding the dbx deck and car audio,let me
mention that i have an excellent condition teac v-95 rx dbx computer
logic deck.very solid build and should provide years of service,moderate
usage.ths in case anyone has some old dbx encoded stuff or something.i
will be putting it on e-bay,my tri-tracer blows it away.  Also have a
mint in box,never used alpine c.d.a. this is a passive c.d. f..m. car
deck that retailed for 700.00 in the mid-90's.i got it with a linear
power amp that i proceeded to "modify"(i fried it by hooking it up
wrong).i cant use the deck cause i need something that plays
cdrw's.anyone think they might be able to use it or know someone who
can-im open to interesting trades on both items.need reciever ,need
headphone amp,t.t. cartridge.

thank you very much,
gerald



From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Wed Feb 25 21:38:52 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:38:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 or Deck 1.5
Message-ID: <000a01c3fbdf$677b2bb0$3f6523c8@g8nsv>

Hi guys!!!

I was wondering which one would you choose and why: the CR-3 or the Deck 1.5....

Isy
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Feb 25 22:49:09 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:49:09 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 or Deck 1.5
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3fbdf$677b2bb0$3f6523c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <000901c3fbe9$32847880$57e34c51@oemcomputer>

CR-3 ... because I always thought that Deck 1.5 was damned stupid name for a
quality cassette deck!  I mean, what idiot Marketing person thought if
that?!

Gra'
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  Hi guys!!!

  I was wondering which one would you choose and why: the CR-3 or the Deck
1.5....

  Isy
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From john_194600 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 23:44:01 2004
From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:44:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Recommend Service Shop in Dallas Fort Worth Area
Message-ID: <20040225224401.79529.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>

Can anyone recommend someone to service my decks in
the DFW Area.

Thanks,

John

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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Feb 26 00:55:02 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:55:02 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 or Deck 1.5
References: <000901c3fbe9$32847880$57e34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003301c3fbfa$e1ee6a40$97299bca@aisha>


Think positive Gra' ... he could've named it CR-1.5 !

Isy, Cass Deck and DR series has a slight advantage of having shorter pb
head cable (3 head version only ?) so it may sound 'better'.  My reason to
pick CD series is that I can stack another component neatly on top of it. =)

Salim SM


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Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:49 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-3 or Deck 1.5


CR-3 ... because I always thought that Deck 1.5 was damned stupid name for a
quality cassette deck!  I mean, what idiot Marketing person thought if
that?!

Gra'
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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Isy Fidelman
Sent: 25 February 2004 20:39
To: Naktalk mailinglist
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 or Deck 1.5


Hi guys!!!

I was wondering which one would you choose and why: the CR-3 or the Deck
1.5....

Isy



From lists at richardhess.com  Thu Feb 26 04:40:23 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:40:23 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Upcoming Dragon Demo on NBC TV in the US: Princess Diana
 tapes :-)
In-Reply-To: <003301c3fbfa$e1ee6a40$97299bca@aisha>
References: <000901c3fbe9$32847880$57e34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040225193659.03f89df0@127.0.0.1>

I can finally talk about it: In early December, I transferred about seven 
hours of cassette tapes to CD-R for NBC's show Dateline -- it was the 
interviews that were the basis of Andrew Morton's books on Princess Diana.

I am now just finishing up the cleanup of the tapes. The Dragons are so 
good in play azimuth. I found on all six cassettes that we're taking 
material from, the summed L+R provided the best signal.

More info and a link or two at http://www.richardhess.com/tape/projects.htm

Cheers,

Richard




From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Thu Feb 26 05:25:56 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:25:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak NR-100
Message-ID: <004a01c3fc20$a4d06660$9c6523c8@g8nsv>

Hey guys!!!

By any chance anyone has the Uer's manual of the Dolby Processor NR-100???

If so, please contact me privately at fidelman at telcel.net.ve

Thanks a lot in advance

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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Thu Feb 26 08:30:03 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:30:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Recommend Service Shop in Dallas Fort Worth Area
In-Reply-To: <20040225224401.79529.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601c3fc3a$59d65fb0$1e01000a@c994264f>

I don't know if there is a shop in DFW, but if you're willing to send it
to New Mexico, at least you know it will be in good hands.

Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
Talking Dog Transducer Company
http://stephensank.com
5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87111


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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:44 PM
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Can anyone recommend someone to service my decks in
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Thanks,

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Feb 26 14:34:13 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:34:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Upcoming Dragon Demo on NBC TV in the US: Princess
	Diana tapes :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040225193659.03f89df0@127.0.0.1>
References: <000901c3fbe9$32847880$57e34c51@oemcomputer>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20040225193659.03f89df0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <1077802453.403df5d520c50@mail.ce.net>

WOW! that's heavy stuff. What a Privilege! Did you at any point wonder how she 
might feel about it? Were they all mono recordings recorded on both channels 
hence the L+R giving best playback results?

John T.

Quoting "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>:

> I can finally talk about it: In early December, I transferred about seven 
> hours of cassette tapes to CD-R for NBC's show Dateline -- it was the 
> interviews that were the basis of Andrew Morton's books on Princess Diana.
> 
> I am now just finishing up the cleanup of the tapes. The Dragons are so 
> good in play azimuth. I found on all six cassettes that we're taking 
> material from, the summed L+R provided the best signal.
> 
> More info and a link or two at http://www.richardhess.com/tape/projects.htm
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Richard
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Feb 27 02:12:04 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:12:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] nak-talk paysite
Message-ID: <18512-403E9964-2605@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>

hi just wondering about the possibiities of the best NAK site ever going
to a PAY basis.Think of the possibilities of a site with Revenue! Stuff
like A.B Comparisons of Different Decks by PROS-(OBTW,The Late J. Hirsch
Stereophile reviewer comes to mind-he had a great review in this months
SOUND AND VISION Magazine).    We love our NAKS,we spend hundreds upon
hundreds(except the nak-mongerers who hord/collect all the DRAGONS;they
spend thousands!).I Like to write off the wall kinda crap,and im
thankful that The gratest Wooter is working on a  Page that is like "THE
NEW AUDIOTALK" so i dont have to use the NAKTALK page except for
technical issues.

thank you very much,
gerald



From lists at richardhess.com  Fri Feb 27 04:56:49 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:56:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Upcoming Dragon Demo on NBC TV in the US:
	Princess Diana tapes :-)
In-Reply-To: <1077802453.403df5d520c50@mail.ce.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040225193659.03f89df0@127.0.0.1>
	<000901c3fbe9$32847880$57e34c51@oemcomputer>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20040225193659.03f89df0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040226195346.058b1e00@127.0.0.1>

Hi, John,

Yes, it was recorded in mono--it appeared with a mono cassette 
recorder--nothing more--nothing special is my take on it.

It was a Privilege, indeed.

She willing consented to be interviewed. These are NOT secret recordings. 
The tape recorder was obviously in plain sight during the interview as the 
interviewer apparently leaned over to check the tape more than once.

She wanted her story told. This is definitely telling her story in her own 
words.

If I hadn't done it, someone else would have. Someone might have cleaned 
them up better than I, but I suspect a lot would have cleaned them up 
less-well--and not all the cassette restorers I know use Dragons 
<smile>...in fact, few do. The Tascam 122B is the general machine something 
like that would be played on.

Cheers,

Richard

At 08:34 AM 2/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>WOW! that's heavy stuff. What a Privilege! Did you at any point wonder how 
>she
>might feel about it? Were they all mono recordings recorded on both channels
>hence the L+R giving best playback results?
>
>John T.




From mmcree at digitalsystems.tv  Fri Feb 27 00:55:22 2004
From: mmcree at digitalsystems.tv (mmcree)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:55:22 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL
Message-ID: <000801c3fcc4$0046b7d0$0202a8c0@CPQ14954210161>

I have Nakamichi 700ZXL cassette deck I bought new in the 80's.  I've used it maybe a total of 20 hours.  It's in perfect shape.  What is this unit worth now and whats the best avenue in which to sell.   Please advise at this address.  Thanks.....                      mmcree at digitalsystems.tv
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From salimarz at indosat.net.id  Wed Feb 25 15:44:21 2004
From: salimarz at indosat.net.id (salimarz)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:44:21 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
Message-ID: <001701c3fbad$db7b22e0$58299bca@aisha>


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080135398&category=3284

... and this old nak should sound a bit better than $100 dvd player ... =)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080474475&category=14975

cheers,
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri Feb 27 15:34:03 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:34:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
In-Reply-To: <001701c3fbad$db7b22e0$58299bca@aisha>
References: <001701c3fbad$db7b22e0$58299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <403F555B.9090409@rcn.com>

salimarz wrote:
> [....]
> ... and this old nak should sound a bit better than $100 dvd player ... =)
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080474475&category=14975
> 
> cheers,
> salim sm
>

Yea, but does it sound even remotely as good as a modern
$1000 player?

-- Ron




From boblai at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 27 17:01:15 2004
From: boblai at yahoo.com (Bob Lai)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:01:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] service manual for CR1A
Message-ID: <20040227160115.96722.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com>

HI
 
Are there service manuals on NAKS.com? I have a CR1A 
that doesn't FF/REW/Play.
 
Perhaps its a simple bulb or resistor change...
 
thanks
Bob


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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Feb 27 17:09:03 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:09:03 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] service manual for CR1A
References: <20040227160115.96722.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c3fd4c$04e3b6c0$60f74f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

if only !- ive got several manuals from usa sellers on ebay, search consumer electronics for service\manuals\nakamichi etc
phill
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  Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:01 PM
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  HI

  Are there service manuals on NAKS.com? I have a CR1A 
  that doesn't FF/REW/Play.

  Perhaps its a simple bulb or resistor change...

  thanks
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb 28 07:45:48 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:45:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
References: <001701c3fbad$db7b22e0$58299bca@aisha> <403F555B.9090409@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <002601c3fdc6$805657c0$95773242@CopyTech>

Ron, I think you have a point there. The person who's willing to pay this
amount for such a unit is purely a whim or as a collection thing only. I
doubt it is simply for sound. Even a modern thing for half that price would
sound as good as that. Even though, it is beautiful but not as impressive as
the Turntable cousin.

Carlos

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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


> salimarz wrote:
> > [....]
> > ... and this old nak should sound a bit better than $100 dvd player ...
=)
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080474475&category=14975
> >
> > cheers,
> > salim sm
> >
>
> Yea, but does it sound even remotely as good as a modern
> $1000 player?
>
> -- Ron
>
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat Feb 28 03:56:23 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:56:23 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
In-Reply-To: <002601c3fdc6$805657c0$95773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEDDCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

I am with Carlos here ... Why do you compare an e-bay, who knows what
condition it is in, $1,025 asking price player to a $100 DVD player?

My point WAS that a CDP-2A class CD player can be easily outperformed by
current mainstream CD/DVD player. Again CDP-2A, which in my opinion was
average to say the least.

Sure, assume that Denon 3560 was the same class, and compare its electronics
to current crappy offerings. Denon 3560, if I can remeber right was a $3,000
unit !!! Same for Nak CD Dragon.

OK, flame off ... Peace with everyone.

Stan

P.S. - for Audio I still use great equipment. For DVD I use $70 Akai unit
bought in the Indian district of Chicago, so that I can watch PAL/NTSC and
Region 0-6 movies on my NTSC TV. It can play MP3, SACD (I believe). It
cannot match my SONY ES single disc player in audio quality, but it can play
any disc I buy around the world.

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Behalf Of El Magnifico
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:46 AM
To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


Ron, I think you have a point there. The person who's willing to pay this
amount for such a unit is purely a whim or as a collection thing only. I
doubt it is simply for sound. Even a modern thing for half that price would
sound as good as that. Even though, it is beautiful but not as impressive as
the Turntable cousin.

Carlos

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Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


> salimarz wrote:
> > [....]
> > ... and this old nak should sound a bit better than $100 dvd player ...
=)
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080474475&category=14975
> >
> > cheers,
> > salim sm
> >
>
> Yea, but does it sound even remotely as good as a modern
> $1000 player?
>
> -- Ron
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb 28 08:17:01 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:17:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEDDCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c3fdca$dcd7fef0$1f773242@CopyTech>

Stan:

The guy of the bid says that the price for this Dragon CD Player was $9,000
!!!!!!!!! Is that right or it is similar to the last night statement I found
at e.bay advertising a 1000 Tri Tracer saying: "1000 Tri Ttracer. Same to
ZXL. Starting bid $1,095.00 " Jesus Christ ! What the hell is going on with
the people there. Again, lack of knowledge or simply a deliberated
misleading ?

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


> I am with Carlos here ... Why do you compare an e-bay, who knows what
> condition it is in, $1,025 asking price player to a $100 DVD player?
>
> My point WAS that a CDP-2A class CD player can be easily outperformed by
> current mainstream CD/DVD player. Again CDP-2A, which in my opinion was
> average to say the least.
>
> Sure, assume that Denon 3560 was the same class, and compare its
electronics
> to current crappy offerings. Denon 3560, if I can remeber right was a
$3,000
> unit !!! Same for Nak CD Dragon.
>
> OK, flame off ... Peace with everyone.
>
> Stan
>
> P.S. - for Audio I still use great equipment. For DVD I use $70 Akai unit
> bought in the Indian district of Chicago, so that I can watch PAL/NTSC and
> Region 0-6 movies on my NTSC TV. It can play MP3, SACD (I believe). It
> cannot match my SONY ES single disc player in audio quality, but it can
play
> any disc I buy around the world.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:46 AM
> To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
>
>
> Ron, I think you have a point there. The person who's willing to pay this
> amount for such a unit is purely a whim or as a collection thing only. I
> doubt it is simply for sound. Even a modern thing for half that price
would
> sound as good as that. Even though, it is beautiful but not as impressive
as
> the Turntable cousin.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
>
>
> > salimarz wrote:
> > > [....]
> > > ... and this old nak should sound a bit better than $100 dvd player
...
> =)
> > >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080474475&category=14975
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > salim sm
> > >
> >
> > Yea, but does it sound even remotely as good as a modern
> > $1000 player?
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Feb 28 04:00:18 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:00:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] e-bay terminology 101
Message-ID: <24375-40401252-1353@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

1)WORKS=DOESNT WORK AND NEVER HAS 2)    WORKS WELL=WORKED ONCE, I CANT
REMEMBER WHEN.3) WORKS EXCELLENT=    IT WORKED PRETTY GOOD BEFORE MY KID
JAMMED A PENUT BUTTER SANDWICH IN IT 4)WORKS PERFECT=DOESNT WORK AND
NEVER WILL

thank you very much,
gerald



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb 28 11:54:35 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:54:35 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] e-bay terminology 101
In-Reply-To: <24375-40401252-1353@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000301c3fde9$40f7e120$756e893e@oemcomputer>

Love it, Gerald!  :o)))

But seriously, e-Bay isn't entirely full of shysters.  I occasionally trade
stuff there but have mostly bought things.  In almost 70 purchases, I've
only bought one item that has proven a really duff! And frankly, that was my
own fault for being lured by a cosmetically perfect piece of equipment (a
Weston Master V light meter) and ignoring the warning sign of "not tested -
my Mum and I don't know if it works ..." and it doesn't!  (Okay, the price I
paid was much less than one would normally have to cough up for one of these
on eBay but I've just been quoted 121 Euro to have it repaired and
overhauled ("good for another 25 years...") Idon't think so .... )

But then, I've bought stuff from my local Curry's electrical store and some
of them have proven duff or, in one case, second hand sold as new!  E.g
dangerously damaged microwave oven, a fax/answering machine that messages
already had recorded on the tape ...)

Indeed, my ZX-9 proved to be even better than I had expected AND it was
delivered personally from Holland!  (That's how I come to have a Tom van der
Hoff modified machine.)

Gra'



> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 28 February 2004 03:00
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] e-bay terminology 101
>
>
> 1)WORKS=DOESNT WORK AND NEVER HAS 2)    WORKS WELL=WORKED ONCE, I CANT
> REMEMBER WHEN.3) WORKS EXCELLENT=    IT WORKED PRETTY GOOD BEFORE MY KID
> JAMMED A PENUT BUTTER SANDWICH IN IT 4)WORKS PERFECT=DOESNT WORK AND
> NEVER WILL
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sat Feb 28 16:12:49 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:12:49 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEDDCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002001c3fe0d$54953380$09299bca@aisha>


Whoa ... I think I remembered to put a smiley there !!!  Was not meant as a
reply to CDP2 argument, hence the new thread.  I'm fortunate enough not able
to hear significant difference between various cd players ... to my ear OMS7
or MB1s still sounds as good as, if not better than, recent 'budget king'
marantz 6x or nad 54x.

With regard to $100 dvd players ... the ones I heard sound noticably thin /
lean compared to that two old Naks.  Almost same impression on early denon
dvd 3000 ($800 few moons ago !) that once received rave reviews.

Anyway ... I also agree with Carlos that Dragon turntable is much sexier
than its CD counterpart.

Cheers n peace,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Targowski
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


I am with Carlos here ... Why do you compare an e-bay, who knows what
condition it is in, $1,025 asking price player to a $100 DVD player?

My point WAS that a CDP-2A class CD player can be easily outperformed by
current mainstream CD/DVD player. Again CDP-2A, which in my opinion was
average to say the least.

Sure, assume that Denon 3560 was the same class, and compare its electronics
to current crappy offerings. Denon 3560, if I can remeber right was a $3,000
unit !!! Same for Nak CD Dragon.

OK, flame off ... Peace with everyone.

Stan

P.S. - for Audio I still use great equipment. For DVD I use $70 Akai unit
bought in the Indian district of Chicago, so that I can watch PAL/NTSC and
Region 0-6 movies on my NTSC TV. It can play MP3, SACD (I believe). It
cannot match my SONY ES single disc player in audio quality, but it can play
any disc I buy around the world.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of El Magnifico
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:46 AM
To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


Ron, I think you have a point there. The person who's willing to pay this
amount for such a unit is purely a whim or as a collection thing only. I
doubt it is simply for sound. Even a modern thing for half that price would
sound as good as that. Even though, it is beautiful but not as impressive as
the Turntable cousin.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


> salimarz wrote:
> > [....]
> > ... and this old nak should sound a bit better than $100 dvd player ...
=)
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080474475&category=14975
> >
> > cheers,
> > salim sm
> >
>
> Yea, but does it sound even remotely as good as a modern
> $1000 player?
>
> -- Ron
>
>




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb 28 17:55:20 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:55:20 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR7, Nak 480 and Nak 600
In-Reply-To: <000301c3fde9$40f7e120$756e893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000101c3fe1b$a6a4dbe0$9a6f893e@oemcomputer>

Guys

Lest you've not s een them, here in are reviews of the CR7, Nak 480 and Nak
600 decks, plus a whole lot more besides.
http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldeintro.html

Graham

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Feb 28 18:43:05 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:43:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] JVC DD-V9
Message-ID: <4040D329.5060703@xs4all.nl>

Hi ALL,

Bought a JVC DD-V9 together with a Technics SL-15 today just because 
they came across my path and i couldn't resiet for the price!
The SL-15 i knew from the 80's, but the DD-V9 is less familiar with me, 
i knew the DD-9 but this one??
It has the 'BEST' tuning which is something like ABLE i think?
Anyone has experience with this one?

Wouter


From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Feb 28 19:25:21 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:25:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
Message-ID: <s040f93b.072@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Great Post Stan,

You're right - I mean apples with apples, after all the 3560 was the
proverbial brick outhouse, although very handsome and just so good in
every way.  And for $3000 it should be.  Never heard those other decks
though.  But you raised a chuckle with me when I consider your $70 Akai
DVD (all singing, dancing etc) against my Singer DVD which of course
does all those other formats very nicely.  But a Singer for heavens
sake!!!  I was expecting overlocking too!!  And buttons????  Yup, got
those.......

Cheers,

Marc





>>> stan.targowski at comcast.net 02/28/04 04:56AM >>>
I am with Carlos here ... Why do you compare an e-bay, who knows what
condition it is in, $1,025 asking price player to a $100 DVD player?

My point WAS that a CDP-2A class CD player can be easily outperformed
by
current mainstream CD/DVD player. Again CDP-2A, which in my opinion
was
average to say the least.

Sure, assume that Denon 3560 was the same class, and compare its
electronics
to current crappy offerings. Denon 3560, if I can remeber right was a
$3,000
unit !!! Same for Nak CD Dragon.

OK, flame off ... Peace with everyone.

Stan

P.S. - for Audio I still use great equipment. For DVD I use $70 Akai
unit
bought in the Indian district of Chicago, so that I can watch PAL/NTSC
and
Region 0-6 movies on my NTSC TV. It can play MP3, SACD (I believe). It
cannot match my SONY ES single disc player in audio quality, but it can
play
any disc I buy around the world.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
Behalf Of El Magnifico
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:46 AM
To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


Ron, I think you have a point there. The person who's willing to pay
this
amount for such a unit is purely a whim or as a collection thing only.
I
doubt it is simply for sound. Even a modern thing for half that price
would
sound as good as that. Even though, it is beautiful but not as
impressive as
the Turntable cousin.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


> salimarz wrote:
> > [....]
> > ... and this old nak should sound a bit better than $100 dvd player
...
=)
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080474475&category=14975

> >
> > cheers,
> > salim sm
> >
>
> Yea, but does it sound even remotely as good as a modern
> $1000 player?
>
> -- Ron
>
>
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat Feb 28 19:30:25 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:30:25 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] JVC DD-V9 [or DD-VR9]
In-Reply-To: <4040D329.5060703@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEDGCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Wouter - I do have DD-99, (and KD-A8, TD-V66, KD-A77 to name a few). Always
liked the JVC's.

I am assuming you are referring to JVC DD-VR9. It is a very solid deck circa
1985/1986 (same era as DD-VR77 and KD-V6). Built as a tank, but had a lot of
competition at the time. Way over priced at list, great deal at discount
places.

- 3 heads
- Direct Drive and autoreverse
- Dolby B&C
- BEST (auto-calibration system)
- W&F 0.035% WRMS
- FR=25-18+/-3db on type IV and II, and 25-17 on type I
- 16 lbs
- list price of $800 (at the time, HK491 was $825, Pioneer CT-A9X was $800,
Nakamichi BX-300 was $695 and RX-505 was $1,090.n (Remember them discounted
at $299 at J&R Music World and WDS in Wisconsin.

Hope this helps.

Stan



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Behalf Of Wouter Heijke
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 11:43 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] JVC DD-V9


Hi ALL,

Bought a JVC DD-V9 together with a Technics SL-15 today just because
they came across my path and i couldn't resiet for the price!
The SL-15 i knew from the 80's, but the DD-V9 is less familiar with me,
i knew the DD-9 but this one??
It has the 'BEST' tuning which is something like ABLE i think?
Anyone has experience with this one?

Wouter
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Feb 28 19:33:51 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:33:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] e-bay terminology 101
Message-ID: <s040fb47.078@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Great Gerald!!!

This reminds me of the ads for houses by estate agents
(realtors).....you just have to understand the terminology......."cute
and cosy" (cramped, don't think of swinging a cat, buddy); "gardener's
dream" (you'll need a team of Ghurkas to hack your way to the front
door).....etc

Cheers,

Marc



>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 02/28/04 05:00AM >>>
1)WORKS=DOESNT WORK AND NEVER HAS 2)    WORKS WELL=WORKED ONCE, I CANT
REMEMBER WHEN.3) WORKS EXCELLENT=    IT WORKED PRETTY GOOD BEFORE MY
KID
JAMMED A PENUT BUTTER SANDWICH IN IT 4)WORKS PERFECT=DOESNT WORK AND
NEVER WILL

thank you very much,
gerald

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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat Feb 28 20:12:02 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:12:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
In-Reply-To: <s040f93b.072@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEDHCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Marc - actaully I love the AKAI. It is great for what it does. An
improvement over my previous unit - APEX, which played PAL on NTSC but only
region 0 and 1. (another brand you will never find on the same page as BMW.
(Both were less than my MIT left channel interconnect alone on the home
reference CD.)

And yes. I am not sure if I have ever seen a deck build more like "brick
outhouse" (love the phrase in the context) than 3560. Even their lesser 1560
was an awesome unit.

I think the units, $100 ones, have great digital sections, but what they
lack is the electronics to match them.

Stan

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Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:25 PM
To: stan.targowski at comcast.net; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


Great Post Stan,

You're right - I mean apples with apples, after all the 3560 was the
proverbial brick outhouse, although very handsome and just so good in
every way.  And for $3000 it should be.  Never heard those other decks
though.  But you raised a chuckle with me when I consider your $70 Akai
DVD (all singing, dancing etc) against my Singer DVD which of course
does all those other formats very nicely.  But a Singer for heavens
sake!!!  I was expecting overlocking too!!  And buttons????  Yup, got
those.......

Cheers,

Marc





>>> stan.targowski at comcast.net 02/28/04 04:56AM >>>
I am with Carlos here ... Why do you compare an e-bay, who knows what
condition it is in, $1,025 asking price player to a $100 DVD player?

My point WAS that a CDP-2A class CD player can be easily outperformed
by
current mainstream CD/DVD player. Again CDP-2A, which in my opinion
was
average to say the least.

Sure, assume that Denon 3560 was the same class, and compare its
electronics
to current crappy offerings. Denon 3560, if I can remeber right was a
$3,000
unit !!! Same for Nak CD Dragon.

OK, flame off ... Peace with everyone.

Stan

P.S. - for Audio I still use great equipment. For DVD I use $70 Akai
unit
bought in the Indian district of Chicago, so that I can watch PAL/NTSC
and
Region 0-6 movies on my NTSC TV. It can play MP3, SACD (I believe). It
cannot match my SONY ES single disc player in audio quality, but it can
play
any disc I buy around the world.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of El Magnifico
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:46 AM
To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


Ron, I think you have a point there. The person who's willing to pay
this
amount for such a unit is purely a whim or as a collection thing only.
I
doubt it is simply for sound. Even a modern thing for half that price
would
sound as good as that. Even though, it is beautiful but not as
impressive as
the Turntable cousin.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


> salimarz wrote:
> > [....]
> > ... and this old nak should sound a bit better than $100 dvd player
...
=)
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080474475&category=14975

> >
> > cheers,
> > salim sm
> >
>
> Yea, but does it sound even remotely as good as a modern
> $1000 player?
>
> -- Ron
>
>
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From ti at amb.org  Sat Feb 28 22:09:44 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:09:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] JVC DD-V9
In-Reply-To: <4040D329.5060703@xs4all.nl> from "Wouter Heijke" at Feb 28,
	2004 06:43:05 PM
Message-ID: <200402282109.VAA20584@amb.org>

Wouter Heijke writes:
> Bought a JVC DD-V9 together with a Technics SL-15 today just because 
> they came across my path and i couldn't resiet for the price!
> The SL-15 i knew from the 80's, but the DD-V9 is less familiar with me, 
> i knew the DD-9 but this one??
> It has the 'BEST' tuning which is something like ABLE i think?
> Anyone has experience with this one?

If I recall correctly, that is like ABLE without the azimuth calibration
part.  I think BEST stands for "Bias EQ Sensitivity Tuning".

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Feb 29 03:05:05 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:05:05 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Production Dates
Message-ID: <000801c3fe68$732f9d20$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hey Wouter,

Did you ever get enough registration data to develope a correlation between serial numbers and production years for the various Naks?  I just registered a couple more.

Robert Kent
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Feb 29 03:01:22 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:01:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] recent e-bay experience
Message-ID: <22763-40415602-1140@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

amazing luck for nelson and his e-bay acquisitions.imsure a lot of it
isknowing what to look for and what to ask,which i guess i dont know yet
cause ive been dicked 4 out of 5 times buying now.Most recent i bought a
1970,s am telephone radio from a seller with 99 percent and 1000
sales.He claimed it worked.When i recieved it it did not work;when i
e-mailed him this is what he said-Quote-"did you try turning it  on,i
think those knobs on the front do that",and    "there werent many a.m.
stations back then".well id love to blast him with a negative,but he
would retaliate and ruin my small positive rating i have worked so hard
for.by the way,i just ran across only my second quadrophonic
pre-recorded tape ever.its a "project 3 " tape by tona mottola who now
is married to the girl i actually wanted-THALIA

thank you very much,
gerald



From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Feb 29 11:45:44 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:45:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Production Dates
In-Reply-To: <000801c3fe68$732f9d20$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
References: <000801c3fe68$732f9d20$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <4041C2D8.1030907@xs4all.nl>

Hi Robert,
Yes it is possible to see but all depends on how many of each Nak were 
registered and how many had production info listed on the back of the Nak.
What you do is go to the registration viewer and put the email address 
you registered your Naks with and one of the serial numbers you registered.
You'll then see a list of the Naks you registered and you can click on 
each of them which brings you to the overview page with your nak listed 
next to all the other Naks of the same type listed and their production 
info.
Have a look here, it's a bit spartanic but works pretty well:

http://www.naks.com/register/view.html

When i finish the new site i'll work on some functionality to predict 
the date your Nak was produced also based on what others registered.
It's also nice to use for a pricing reference to see what others paid 
for thsir Naks.

Enjoy,

Wouter

rjkent at comcast.net wrote:

> Hey Wouter,
>  
> Did you ever get enough registration data to develope a correlation 
> between serial numbers and production years for the various Naks?  I 
> just registered a couple more.
>  
> Robert Kent
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Feb 29 13:51:17 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:51:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Production Dates
In-Reply-To: <4041C2D8.1030907@xs4all.nl>
References: <000801c3fe68$732f9d20$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
	<4041C2D8.1030907@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <4041E045.10708@rcn.com>


So, if I registered a CR-7 and now want to buy a Dragon, I
can't see the data for Dragons? Why not just make the
information available to all (or, at least, to all NakTalk
list members)?

-- Ron


Wouter Heijke wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Yes it is possible to see but all depends on how many of each Nak were 
> registered and how many had production info listed on the back of the Nak.
> What you do is go to the registration viewer and put the email address 
> you registered your Naks with and one of the serial numbers you registered.
> You'll then see a list of the Naks you registered and you can click on 
> each of them which brings you to the overview page with your nak listed 
> next to all the other Naks of the same type listed and their production 
> info.
> Have a look here, it's a bit spartanic but works pretty well:
> 
> http://www.naks.com/register/view.html
> 
> When i finish the new site i'll work on some functionality to predict 
> the date your Nak was produced also based on what others registered.
> It's also nice to use for a pricing reference to see what others paid 
> for thsir Naks.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Wouter
> 
> rjkent at comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> Hey Wouter,
>>  
>> Did you ever get enough registration data to develope a correlation 
>> between serial numbers and production years for the various Naks?  I 
>> just registered a couple more.
>>  
>> Robert Kent




From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Feb 29 14:03:10 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:03:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] JVC DD-V9
In-Reply-To: <200402282109.VAA20584@amb.org>
References: <200402282109.VAA20584@amb.org>
Message-ID: <4041E30E.6020609@xs4all.nl>

Yes you're right Ti, it also records other tones like Naks do, different 
one's shortly after each other.
It's actually a nice deck, makes good tapes:

http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/dd-v9.htm

Mine's upper part (here grey) is greenish brushed metal, quite different!
I also love it's meters.
This is definetly one that will be listed on the vintagecassete site!

Wouter

Ti Kan wrote:

>Wouter Heijke writes:
>  
>
>>Bought a JVC DD-V9 together with a Technics SL-15 today just because 
>>they came across my path and i couldn't resiet for the price!
>>The SL-15 i knew from the 80's, but the DD-V9 is less familiar with me, 
>>i knew the DD-9 but this one??
>>It has the 'BEST' tuning which is something like ABLE i think?
>>Anyone has experience with this one?
>>    
>>
>
>If I recall correctly, that is like ABLE without the azimuth calibration
>part.  I think BEST stands for "Bias EQ Sensitivity Tuning".
>
>-Ti
>  
>



From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Feb 29 14:41:45 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:41:45 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] faults
Message-ID: <001401c3fec9$c5dd6b90$e3394d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
got a lux cassette that has the 'orange' capacitors and wont erase\record looks like those dreaded caps turn up in other makes as well
phill
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 29 17:49:23 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:49:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Another Auto Azimuth Control
In-Reply-To: <4041E30E.6020609@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20040229164923.78156.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>

I was looking over the other decks on that japanese site that someone
posted a link to earlier.

On page 3
http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck3.html
There is a Marantz SD-930 that has "MAAC"
Marantz Auto Azimuth Control.

Does anyone know how that works?  Is it like NAAC on the Dragon?

Scott J.





--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Yes you're right Ti, it also records other tones like Naks do,
> different 
> one's shortly after each other.
> It's actually a nice deck, makes good tapes:
> 
> http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/dd-v9.htm
> 
> Mine's upper part (here grey) is greenish brushed metal, quite
> different!
> I also love it's meters.
> This is definetly one that will be listed on the vintagecassete
> site!
> 
> Wouter
> 
> Ti Kan wrote:
> 
> >Wouter Heijke writes:
> >  
> >
> >>Bought a JVC DD-V9 together with a Technics SL-15 today just
> because 
> >>they came across my path and i couldn't resiet for the price!
> >>The SL-15 i knew from the 80's, but the DD-V9 is less familiar
> with me, 
> >>i knew the DD-9 but this one??
> >>It has the 'BEST' tuning which is something like ABLE i think?
> >>Anyone has experience with this one?
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >If I recall correctly, that is like ABLE without the azimuth
> calibration
> >part.  I think BEST stands for "Bias EQ Sensitivity Tuning".
> >
> >-Ti
> >  
> >
> 
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Feb 29 17:57:10 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:57:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Production Dates
Message-ID: <001201c3fee5$1299a190$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Thanks Wouter!

Very Nice!

I see the Dragon and CR-7 are still the most heavily registered (over 50 Dragons).

A couple of the Naks I have registered did not have the production date sticker on the back.

On your lists, the serial numbers of all Naks registered by other contributors are blanked out, and they don't appear to be listed in order of production date.  So for now, you cannot use the lists to estimate your date of production?

A suggestion (easy for me....you do all the work!):  If the listes were sorted in ascending or descending order of production, it would be easy to estimate the date of production within a year or so.

Robert Kent
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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Sun Feb 29 20:50:29 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:50:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Production Dates
In-Reply-To: <4041C2D8.1030907@xs4all.nl>
References: <000801c3fe68$732f9d20$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
	<000801c3fe68$732f9d20$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040229205029.01381d58@mail.sireconnect.de>

At 11:45 29.02.2004 +0100, Wouter Heijke wrote:
>What you do is go to the registration viewer and put the email address 
>you registered your Naks with and one of the serial numbers you registered.
>You'll then see a list of the Naks you registered and you can click on 
>each of them which brings you to the overview page with your nak listed 
>next to all the other Naks of the same type listed and their production 
>info.
>Have a look here, it's a bit spartanic but works pretty well:
>
>http://www.naks.com/register/view.html

If I don't find mine there, does that mean I should re-register?

>When i finish the new site i'll work on some functionality to predict 
>the date your Nak was produced also based on what others registered.
>It's also nice to use for a pricing reference to see what others paid 
>for thsir Naks.

If you give me the datafiles I could do something in perl for you that
spits out the closest registration numbers with the respective dates.
Depends on if your site allows perl cgi.

Regards, Jo

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Mar  1 03:16:55 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:16:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
Message-ID: <22763-40429D17-2437@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

hi,i just seperated my digital casettes from my analog.there are those
digitally mastered,and those remastered digitally from analog
recordings.wondering about your experence with these two types compared
to analog.Many of my analog pre-recorded tapes sound rich warm and
wonderful,if slightly vieled compared to l.p..          Also looking for
input on old musical heritage society  pre-recorded cassettes,as these
types comprise a good part of my collection.

thank you very much,
gerald



From ti at amb.org  Mon Mar  1 07:46:11 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:46:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest
Message-ID: <200403010646.GAA10780@amb.org>

Hi all,

If you live in the San Francisco Cali bay area, and have not been
included in our offline email exchanges about the upcoming
mini Nak-fest, please let me know and we'll add you to the list.

The group is going to meet on March 13 and we're planning to have
some fun getting acquainted, talk audio, play with gear, make
our own edition of the Marathon Tape to share with the Naktalk
community; and of course, enjoy some music.

-Ti
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   2 4 6


From mdevera at compuserve.com  Mon Mar  1 08:06:11 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:06:11 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest
In-Reply-To: <200403010646.GAA10780@amb.org>
Message-ID: <001201c3ff5b$b0012e00$1e01000a@c994264f>

Please contact Robert Kent off-line for his address. We had a fun time
meeting today - camaraderie with a learning experience. 

Kannan let us in on some secret recording tweaks, while Ti was armed
with a digital meter measuring outputs on two Dragons, adjusting the
internal azimuth. These guys are dangerous. I had to disarm them with
some Starbucks and vinyl-spinning. 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Ti Kan
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:46 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest


 
Hi all,

If you live in the San Francisco Cali bay area, and have not been
included in our offline email exchanges about the upcoming mini
Nak-fest, please let me know and we'll add you to the list.

The group is going to meet on March 13 and we're planning to have some
fun getting acquainted, talk audio, play with gear, make our own edition
of the Marathon Tape to share with the Naktalk community; and of course,
enjoy some music.

-Ti
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From christian.hansen at 62modelo.de  Mon Mar  1 10:02:23 2004
From: christian.hansen at 62modelo.de (Christian Hansen)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:02:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Another Auto Azimuth Control
In-Reply-To: <20040229164923.78156.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <27B8A52D-6B5F-11D8-ADED-000393DB3296@62modelo.de>

Hi Scott,

yes, the pictures tell that; try this page (as you seem to understand 
some japanese...):

http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sd-930.html

And the Marantz SD930 is from 1983, Dragon from 1982 - pretty close, as 
is MAAC and NAAC.

Christian



From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Mar  1 13:43:55 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:43:55 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest
References: <001201c3ff5b$b0012e00$1e01000a@c994264f>
Message-ID: <000601c3ff8a$dc9dba80$bf299bca@aisha>


Guys, don't forget to take digipics !!  To be included on Bleus' terrific
Nakpage.

Missing the fun (and starbucks =)
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike deVera
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest


Please contact Robert Kent off-line for his address. We had a fun time
meeting today - camaraderie with a learning experience.

Kannan let us in on some secret recording tweaks, while Ti was armed
with a digital meter measuring outputs on two Dragons, adjusting the
internal azimuth. These guys are dangerous. I had to disarm them with
some Starbucks and vinyl-spinning.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Ti Kan
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:46 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest



Hi all,

If you live in the San Francisco Cali bay area, and have not been
included in our offline email exchanges about the upcoming mini
Nak-fest, please let me know and we'll add you to the list.

The group is going to meet on March 13 and we're planning to have some
fun getting acquainted, talk audio, play with gear, make our own edition
of the Marathon Tape to share with the Naktalk community; and of course,
enjoy some music.

-Ti
--
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6




From gwmunger at bestweb.net  Mon Mar  1 14:31:21 2004
From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (geochapp20)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:31:21 EST
Subject: [naktalk] TAKE NOTE re ebay closed auction SCAM
Message-ID: <40433b29.14cca.0@bestweb.net>

PLEASE TAKE NOTE: I bid on a recent ebay Studer PR99 reel-to-reel auction but
I was not the high bidder. A day or 2 later I received an email appearing as
if sent by the ebay seller, indicating that the high bidder was not able to
pay and that the
item was being offered to me with a 15% discount and free shipping. That seemed
like a great deal, right? Especially for a PR99 in good shape, but because the
ebay auction description included the phone number to reach the seller (for
questions about the PR99) and in my effort to respond quickly, I decided to
phone that number, instead of replying directly to the email offer. That turned
out to be a good idea, because when I reached the ebay seller by phone, he kindly
explained that someone was sending phony 'runner-up' offers to just about everyone
who bid. In fact, the auction had completed smoothly and the unit was already
shipped! BE CAREFUL!

Suggestion: Don't respond directly to the email offer and instead, go back to
the original ebay auction and click on  the 'Contact the Seller' button to email
directly to the true seller. Be cautious with this type of offer. Also, if ANY

offer sounds like 'a bargain' or sounds too good to be true, it may very well
be.

George Munger
I love analog; that is what I am.


From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Mar  1 15:48:18 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:48:18 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] e-bay terminology 101
References: <s040fb47.078@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <015301c3ff9c$3c6c08c0$ca299bca@aisha>


LOL !  And maybe we should collect nak's funniest auction ...

As for this 'rolls royce' of CD players ... I believe the seller honestly
thought so ?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3800322757&category=32
72

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Hugo
To: naktalk at naks.com ; jerryjg at webtv.net
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] e-bay terminology 101


Great Gerald!!!

This reminds me of the ads for houses by estate agents
(realtors).....you just have to understand the terminology......."cute
and cosy" (cramped, don't think of swinging a cat, buddy); "gardener's
dream" (you'll need a team of Ghurkas to hack your way to the front
door).....etc

Cheers,

Marc



>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 02/28/04 05:00AM >>>
1)WORKS=DOESNT WORK AND NEVER HAS 2)    WORKS WELL=WORKED ONCE, I CANT
REMEMBER WHEN.3) WORKS EXCELLENT=    IT WORKED PRETTY GOOD BEFORE MY
KID
JAMMED A PENUT BUTTER SANDWICH IN IT 4)WORKS PERFECT=DOESNT WORK AND
NEVER WILL

thank you very much,
gerald





From ttlinden at juno.com  Mon Mar  1 16:38:51 2004
From: ttlinden at juno.com (ttlinden at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:38:51 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] TAKE NOTE re ebay closed auction SCAM
Message-ID: <20040301.073932.489.236973@webmail10.lax.untd.com>


The same thing happened to me - I had bid on a couple of Dragon's. I lost the bid...a few days later, I received 2 offers to sell the unit direct for $420.00...I remembered the warnings from E-bay and did not respond...I should have forwarded the solicitation to E-bay but deleted the messages too fast.
Thanks for the tip...


From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Mar  1 17:43:39 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Mon,  1 Mar 2004 11:43:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest
In-Reply-To: <001201c3ff5b$b0012e00$1e01000a@c994264f>
References: <001201c3ff5b$b0012e00$1e01000a@c994264f>
Message-ID: <1078159419.4043683b86b55@mail.ce.net>

Now, that's my idea of fun!

John T.

Quoting Mike deVera <mdevera at compuserve.com>:

> Please contact Robert Kent off-line for his address. We had a fun time
> meeting today - camaraderie with a learning experience. 
> 
> Kannan let us in on some secret recording tweaks, while Ti was armed
> with a digital meter measuring outputs on two Dragons, adjusting the
> internal azimuth. These guys are dangerous. I had to disarm them with
> some Starbucks and vinyl-spinning. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
> Behalf Of Ti Kan
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:46 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest
> 
> 
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> If you live in the San Francisco Cali bay area, and have not been
> included in our offline email exchanges about the upcoming mini
> Nak-fest, please let me know and we'll add you to the list.
> 
> The group is going to meet on March 13 and we're planning to have some
> fun getting acquainted, talk audio, play with gear, make our own edition
> of the Marathon Tape to share with the Naktalk community; and of course,
> enjoy some music.
> 
> -Ti
> -- 
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Mon Mar  1 19:22:45 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:22:45 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] CDP-2a vs. WalMart
Message-ID: <20356739@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Mar  1 20:09:07 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:09:07 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
Message-ID: <5e21b5f5e22358.5e223585e21b5f@vsnl.net>

Another secret was that Mike sent his wife and kid away( during our visit) to discuss what other naks would be a  nice addition to his collection ? I donot know how much his wife would think we ( Ti and myself)are responsible for his future acquisitions! I wish Mike a lot of successful startup stocks so that his wife would not mind his naka wishes. (Jokes apart ) he has very nice table setup and I requested him to tape my one two LP collection from a local garage sale!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: jmtooley at ce.net
Date: Monday, March 1, 2004 8:43 am
Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest

> Now, that's my idea of fun!
> 
> John T.
> 
> Quoting Mike deVera <mdevera at compuserve.com>:
> 
> > Please contact Robert Kent off-line for his address. We had a 
> fun time
> > meeting today - camaraderie with a learning experience. 
> > 
> > Kannan let us in on some secret recording tweaks, while Ti was armed
> > with a digital meter measuring outputs on two Dragons, adjusting the
> > internal azimuth. These guys are dangerous. I had to disarm them 
> with> some Starbucks and vinyl-spinning. 
> > 




From paulkoo at comcast.net  Mon Mar  1 20:20:25 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:20:25 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
Message-ID: <030120041920.8252.334d@comcast.net>

Has anyone looked at the Telarc web site www.telarc.com for the discontinued pre-recorded cassettes that are digitally mastered using TDK SA?  They are selling it for $2 each.  I had ordered a few and am very satisfied with the quality.

Paul
> hi,i just seperated my digital casettes from my analog.there are those
> digitally mastered,and those remastered digitally from analog
> recordings.wondering about your experence with these two types compared
> to analog.Many of my analog pre-recorded tapes sound rich warm and
> wonderful,if slightly vieled compared to l.p..          Also looking for
> input on old musical heritage society  pre-recorded cassettes,as these
> types comprise a good part of my collection.
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Mon Mar  1 20:22:12 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:22:12 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] CDP-2a vs. WalMart
In-Reply-To: <20356739@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMEDPCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Fred - interesting comments. Glad to hear you like the CDP-2A.

Your comment prompted me to put together a big comparo of CD/DVD players in
my house in the near future. I will play the following against each other
...

- APEX 500 CD/DVD/MP3 etc - $100
- Sony 310 CD/DVD/MP3 etc - $100
- AKAI DVPS760 - CD/DVD/MP3 etc - $70
- SONY XA20ES CD - $600 (in 1998)
- SONY ($120 unit from 5 years ago)
- Adcom 575 (i think about $500 in 1989)
- SONY MXD-D40 CD/MD Combo ($200 in 2004)
- SONY Discman ($130 in 2003)
- Nakamichi CR4A cassette recorded off the best sounding deck (I assume it
will be XA20ES) using Maxell MX-S tape.
- AMC (i think model 7) ($250 in 2001)

Will use Adcom 5500 amp, Adcom 565 pre-amp, MIT-2 interconnects, and Mirage
1295 speakers, and Senheiser 600 headphones.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Fred Lifton
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:12 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] CDP-2a vs. WalMart


--- You wrote:
stan.targowski at comcast.net 02/28/04 04:56AM >>>
I am with Carlos here ... Why do you compare an e-bay, who knows what
condition it is in, $1,025 asking price player to a $100 DVD player?

My point WAS that a CDP-2A class CD player can be easily outperformed
by
current mainstream CD/DVD player. Again CDP-2A, which in my opinion
was
average to say the least.
--- end of quote ---

Hi all,
Never one to shy away from a controversy, let me add some fuel to Stan's
flame.
In A/B tests, my newly acquired CDP-2a still sounds better than my Sony
DVD-go-ahead-and-stick-the-kitchen-sink-in-it-it'll-play-the-damn-thing
player.
The Nak just sounds, well, warmer, and it images better. The Sony sounds
thin
and smeary by comparison. I'm sure compared to all the engineers and
producers
on this list I have a badly dented tin ear (hey, nothing sounds as good as
live
music ear-drums be damned), but that's just the way it sounds to me. Maybe
my
Sony is particulary crappy--even though I sprang for the fancier
"Progressive
Scan" model.

BTW, Gerald forgot one very important Ebay term in his lexicon: Mint!=I
rubbed
shoe-black into the scratches and ran the old spoon I use to pry open the
tape
door through the dishwasher. ;-)

Fred
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Mar  1 20:36:39 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:36:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] e-bay terminology 101
References: <s040fb47.078@mroute.sunint.co.za>
	<015301c3ff9c$3c6c08c0$ca299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <001b01c3ffc4$93c6d460$ec6423c8@g8nsv>

This one is really good Salim...jejejejeje

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] e-bay terminology 101


>
> LOL !  And maybe we should collect nak's funniest auction ...
>
> As for this 'rolls royce' of CD players ... I believe the seller honestly
> thought so ?
>
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3800322757&category=32
> 72
>
> Cheers,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Hugo
> To: naktalk at naks.com ; jerryjg at webtv.net
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] e-bay terminology 101
>
>
> Great Gerald!!!
>
> This reminds me of the ads for houses by estate agents
> (realtors).....you just have to understand the terminology......."cute
> and cosy" (cramped, don't think of swinging a cat, buddy); "gardener's
> dream" (you'll need a team of Ghurkas to hack your way to the front
> door).....etc
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> >>> jerryjg at webtv.net 02/28/04 05:00AM >>>
> 1)WORKS=DOESNT WORK AND NEVER HAS 2)    WORKS WELL=WORKED ONCE, I CANT
> REMEMBER WHEN.3) WORKS EXCELLENT=    IT WORKED PRETTY GOOD BEFORE MY
> KID
> JAMMED A PENUT BUTTER SANDWICH IN IT 4)WORKS PERFECT=DOESNT WORK AND
> NEVER WILL
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Mar  1 21:30:11 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Mon,  1 Mar 2004 15:30:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
In-Reply-To: <5e21b5f5e22358.5e223585e21b5f@vsnl.net>
References: <5e21b5f5e22358.5e223585e21b5f@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <1078173011.40439d534e8e6@mail.ce.net>

I'm looking forward to Marathon Tape S.F. CD's when you guys get it all 
together.

John T.

Quoting kannan_s at vsnl.com:

> Another secret was that Mike sent his wife and kid away( during our visit) to
> discuss what other naks would be a  nice addition to his collection ? I donot
> know how much his wife would think we ( Ti and myself)are responsible for his
> future acquisitions! I wish Mike a lot of successful startup stocks so that
> his wife would not mind his naka wishes. (Jokes apart ) he has very nice
> table setup and I requested him to tape my one two LP collection from a local
> garage sale!
> kannan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jmtooley at ce.net
> Date: Monday, March 1, 2004 8:43 am
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest
> 
> > Now, that's my idea of fun!
> > 
> > John T.
> > 
> > Quoting Mike deVera <mdevera at compuserve.com>:
> > 
> > > Please contact Robert Kent off-line for his address. We had a 
> > fun time
> > > meeting today - camaraderie with a learning experience. 
> > > 
> > > Kannan let us in on some secret recording tweaks, while Ti was armed
> > > with a digital meter measuring outputs on two Dragons, adjusting the
> > > internal azimuth. These guys are dangerous. I had to disarm them 
> > with> some Starbucks and vinyl-spinning. 
> > > 
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Mar  2 02:39:18 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:39:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
References: <030120041920.8252.334d@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000901c3fff7$2e949400$7f773242@CopyTech>

Yes, these cassettes are good. Most of them sounds like a CD. I bought 20 at
1.99 and are transferring them to CD.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulkoo at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk


> Has anyone looked at the Telarc web site www.telarc.com for the
discontinued pre-recorded cassettes that are digitally mastered using TDK
SA?  They are selling it for $2 each.  I had ordered a few and am very
satisfied with the quality.
>
> Paul
> > hi,i just seperated my digital casettes from my analog.there are those
> > digitally mastered,and those remastered digitally from analog
> > recordings.wondering about your experence with these two types compared
> > to analog.Many of my analog pre-recorded tapes sound rich warm and
> > wonderful,if slightly vieled compared to l.p..          Also looking for
> > input on old musical heritage society  pre-recorded cassettes,as these
> > types comprise a good part of my collection.
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald
> >
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Mon Mar  1 22:36:30 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:36:30 EST
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
Message-ID: <60.3b930c6f.2d7506de@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/1/2004 4:34:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
copytec at coqui.net writes:

> Has anyone looked at the Telarc web site www.telarc.com for the
> discontinued pre-recorded cassettes that are digitally mastered using TDK
> SA?  They are selling it for $2 each.  I had ordered a few and am very
> satisfied with the quality.
> >
> >Paul
> 

Any particular selections you recommend?

Anthony
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Mar  2 02:42:58 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:42:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
References: <5e21b5f5e22358.5e223585e21b5f@vsnl.net>
	<1078173011.40439d534e8e6@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c3fff7$b1306650$7f773242@CopyTech>

I'll be doing the mastering and duplication for the San Francisco chapter of
Nakamaniacs. It would be one CD. What about other guys ? Are there any other
group of guys living close that can make the same ? Unfortunately, I'm
isolate in this island. What about our comrades in England ?

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part


> I'm looking forward to Marathon Tape S.F. CD's when you guys get it all
> together.
>
> John T.



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Mar  1 23:15:42 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:15:42 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3fff7$b1306650$7f773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000001c3ffda$bca529c0$a1df883e@oemcomputer>

Sorry, no CD making gear at the moment.  May be when I sell the CR-7 ...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 02 March 2004 01:43
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
>
>
> I'll be doing the mastering and duplication for the San Francisco
> chapter of
> Nakamaniacs. It would be one CD. What about other guys ? Are
> there any other
> group of guys living close that can make the same ? Unfortunately, I'm
> isolate in this island. What about our comrades in England ?
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
>
>
> > I'm looking forward to Marathon Tape S.F. CD's when you guys get it all
> > together.
> >
> > John T.
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From jberger at well.com  Mon Mar  1 23:27:08 2004
From: jberger at well.com (John Berger)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:27:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Parts Nak 480 for a good home
In-Reply-To: <200402281100.i1SB0Dju014233@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200402281100.i1SB0Dju014233@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0403011416520.14757@well.com>

I have a 'parts' Nak 480 (black) that I'd like to offer up here to a good
home for the cost of shipping & handling (US only, please).  I figure that
will probably run about $20-25 for double boxing and UPS.

The biggest problem is that the pinch roller assembly does not swing into
place when Play is pressed.  If you reach inside and force it up, the deck
will start moving, but the pinch rollers never press on the capistans.
I've tried disassembling and cleaning, but haven't found the magic spot
yet, and I've given up on investing more time to fix this(I have a 582 and
a CR-7 to keep me busy...).

Preference given to the person who gives the most creative answers to what
they plan on using it for.



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Mar  2 02:03:34 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:03:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] prerecorded cassette talk
Message-ID: <1544-4043DD66-2585@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

hi,just listened to my only telarc"Quintessence"   cassette.this on is
excellent PLUS! 2 dollars is a bargain for these,thanks for the lead
Paul.        The Notes on this tape indicate it was recorded DAAD on a
TDK SA Type 2 cassette,using Dolby HX PRO and B Noise ReductionIts a
1990 Empire Brass recording ofCalled Baroque Brass Festival(Bach
Vivaldi,Teleman).                  Another Exceptional Sound quality
tape of mine is a SQN 7 Star Chrome Series recording of Carlos
Montoya-its a direct to disc recording(whats that mean?).Here are some
liner notes; ..lifetime garuntee,digital/audiophile master
sources,quality swiss cassette(5 screw,with molding tolerances to the
micron level-super quiet liner to elimnate tape drag and mechanical
noise..a tape head cleansing leader to remove oxide residue).

thank you very much,
gerald



From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Mar  2 02:09:58 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:09:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
References: <030120041920.8252.334d@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <009101c3fff3$14fd3460$21106343@johnnyrotten>

That is one hell of a deal! The Vivaldi 4 Seasons with Silverstein is
superb! I wonder how the SACD CD sounds?
Their Ein Straussfest: Music of the Strauss family on CD is wonderful, play
it on New Years Day! This on their gold CD at $15.99 is great.
I just ordered 8 of the cassettes and 2 CD's.

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: <paulkoo at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk


Has anyone looked at the Telarc web site www.telarc.com for the discontinued
pre-recorded cassettes that are digitally mastered using TDK SA?  They are
selling it for $2 each.  I had ordered a few and am very satisfied with the
quality.

Paul
> hi,i just seperated my digital casettes from my analog.there are those
> digitally mastered,and those remastered digitally from analog
> recordings.wondering about your experence with these two types compared
> to analog.Many of my analog pre-recorded tapes sound rich warm and
> wonderful,if slightly vieled compared to l.p..          Also looking for
> input on old musical heritage society  pre-recorded cassettes,as these
> types comprise a good part of my collection.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Mar  2 07:49:54 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:49:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
References: <000001c3ffda$bca529c0$a1df883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001a01c40022$9206e530$38773242@CopyTech>

You don't need that, Gra, just a good cassette recorder. I'll do the rest.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part


> Sorry, no CD making gear at the moment.  May be when I sell the CR-7 ...
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > Sent: 02 March 2004 01:43
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
> >
> >
> > I'll be doing the mastering and duplication for the San Francisco
> > chapter of
> > Nakamaniacs. It would be one CD. What about other guys ? Are
> > there any other
> > group of guys living close that can make the same ? Unfortunately, I'm
> > isolate in this island. What about our comrades in England ?
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
> >
> >
> > > I'm looking forward to Marathon Tape S.F. CD's when you guys get it
all
> > > together.
> > >
> > > John T.
> >
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  2 03:46:34 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:46:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Another Auto Azimuth Control
In-Reply-To: <27B8A52D-6B5F-11D8-ADED-000393DB3296@62modelo.de>
Message-ID: <20040302024634.84260.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com>

> http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sd-930.html
I just fed that Japanese web page into the the web page translator in
Alta Vista and it looks like the Marantz SD-930 unit does Auto
Azimuth Correction just like Nak does and I think even better.  They
split both the right and left channels and compare the phase of Left1
to Left2 and Right1 to Right2.  Nak only splits the ... left channel
I think and compares the phase of just that one channel.  To actually
rotate the head Marantz uses a piezo electric motor right in the head
mounting block.  Very elegant.  They claim that they can adjust in
3/100th of a second.  It sounds like they continuously adjusting
azimuth instead of the Nakamichi way where it only readjusts if there
is a 3 second gap in the music or after x many seconds after hitting
play.  I forget the scheme they have, but, it was sometimes very
annoying on my TD-1200II.  I had this one tape where it worked great
on the first few songs and then totally blow it on this one song.  I
would have to hit stop then play and wait for it to readjust.  

Does anyone have a Marantz SD-930.  Or should I ask has anyone ever
seen this deck.  I suspect they were outrageously expensive and as
rare as hens teeth.

The Marantz however is only a unidirectional deck, unlike the Dragon
which will play and correct for azimuth in both direction, but,
record in only 1 direction.

The Marantz also 



--- Christian Hansen <christian.hansen at 62modelo.de> wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> 
> yes, the pictures tell that; try this page (as you seem to
> understand 
> some japanese...):
> 
> http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sd-930.html
> 
> And the Marantz SD930 is from 1983, Dragon from 1982 - pretty
> close, as 
> is MAAC and NAAC.
> 
> Christian
> 
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From lists at richardhess.com  Tue Mar  2 04:25:57 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:25:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Parts Nak 480 for a good home
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0403011416520.14757@well.com>
References: <200402281100.i1SB0Dju014233@zebra.naks.com>
	<200402281100.i1SB0Dju014233@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040301192440.0390d008@127.0.0.1>

Is this a similar arrangement to the Dragon?

I've been told -- since I got a Dragon with this problem -- that it's 
merely gummy lube on the pinch roller arm pivots...now cleaning it is 
another matter, but look at posts with my name in it for the last two or 
three weeks and you'll see some great advice.

Cheers,

Richard

At 02:27 PM 3/1/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>I have a 'parts' Nak 480 (black) that I'd like to offer up here to a good
>home for the cost of shipping & handling (US only, please).  I figure that
>will probably run about $20-25 for double boxing and UPS.
>
>The biggest problem is that the pinch roller assembly does not swing into
>place when Play is pressed.  If you reach inside and force it up, the deck
>will start moving, but the pinch rollers never press on the capistans.
>I've tried disassembling and cleaning, but haven't found the magic spot
>yet, and I've given up on investing more time to fix this(I have a 582 and
>a CR-7 to keep me busy...).




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Mar  2 06:08:23 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:08:23 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Parts Nak 480 for a good home
Message-ID: <24e71d24bd31.24bd3124e71d@indosat.net.id>


Same problem but with lower risk in fixing:

1. Tolerance for tape path error is larger due to single direction and no rotating pb head (no swinging guide but it's irrelevant)
2. Use of nut instead of brass 'stopper' for height adjustment.

Overall a nice pb deck for the price !!  

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2004 10:25 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts Nak 480 for a good home

> Is this a similar arrangement to the Dragon?
> 
> I've been told -- since I got a Dragon with this problem -- that 
> it's 
> merely gummy lube on the pinch roller arm pivots...now cleaning it 
> is 
> another matter, but look at posts with my name in it for the last 
> two or 
> three weeks and you'll see some great advice.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Richard
> 
> At 02:27 PM 3/1/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >I have a 'parts' Nak 480 (black) that I'd like to offer up here 
> to a good





From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Mar  2 06:16:44 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:16:44 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Another Auto Azimuth Control
Message-ID: <2507c224d80e.24d80e2507c2@indosat.net.id>


Very impressive!!  Any spec of head gap width or dyn range sans dbx ?  

Scott, have you tried to align the 1200's head ?  I used the subsonic button to 'disable' the NAAC and it sounds good most of the time (needing only minor correction to get accurate if I turn the auto az on).

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:46 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another Auto Azimuth Control

> > http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sd-930.html
> I just fed that Japanese web page into the the web page translator in
> Alta Vista and it looks like the Marantz SD-930 unit does Auto
> Azimuth Correction just like Nak does and I think even better.  They
> split both the right and left channels and compare the phase of Left1
> to Left2 and Right1 to Right2.  Nak only splits the ... left channel
> I think and compares the phase of just that one channel.  To actually
> rotate the head Marantz uses a piezo electric motor right in the head
> mounting block.  Very elegant.  They claim that they can adjust in
> 3/100th of a second.  It sounds like they continuously adjusting
> azimuth instead of the Nakamichi way where it only readjusts if there
> is a 3 second gap in the music or after x many seconds after hitting
> play.  I forget the scheme they have, but, it was sometimes very
> annoying on my TD-1200II.  I had this one tape where it worked great
> on the first few songs and then totally blow it on this one song.  I
> would have to hit stop then play and wait for it to readjust.  
> 
> Does anyone have a Marantz SD-930.  Or should I ask has anyone ever
> seen this deck.  I suspect they were outrageously expensive and as
> rare as hens teeth.
> 
> The Marantz however is only a unidirectional deck, unlike the Dragon
> which will play and correct for azimuth in both direction, but,
> record in only 1 direction.
> 
> The Marantz also 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Christian Hansen <christian.hansen at 62modelo.de> wrote:
> > Hi Scott,
> > 
> > yes, the pictures tell that; try this page (as you seem to
> > understand 
> > some japanese...):
> > 
> > http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sd-930.html
> > 
> > And the Marantz SD930 is from 1983, Dragon from 1982 - pretty
> > close, as 
> > is MAAC and NAAC.
> > 
> > Christian
> > 
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  2 06:42:30 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:42:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Another Auto Azimuth Control
In-Reply-To: <2507c224d80e.24d80e2507c2@indosat.net.id>
Message-ID: <20040302054230.89032.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>

It did have head gap width specs:  0.7uM on the playback and 4uM on
the record.  It has Dolby B, C and DBX.

I have not tried aligning the head on the TD-1200II.  Maybe I'll try
that and see if it helps.  

That web site lists the price of the Nak Dragon at 260,000 Yen.  The
Marantz SD-930 is ONLY 180,000 Yen.  That's like $2360 for the Dragon
and $1640 for the SD-930 if converted today.

SJ
--- smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote:
> 
> Very impressive!!  Any spec of head gap width or dyn range sans dbx
> ?  
> 
> Scott, have you tried to align the 1200's head ?  I used the
> subsonic button to 'disable' the NAAC and it sounds good most of
> the time (needing only minor correction to get accurate if I turn
> the auto az on).
> 
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:46 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another Auto Azimuth Control
> 
> > > http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sd-930.html
> > I just fed that Japanese web page into the the web page
> translator in
> > Alta Vista and it looks like the Marantz SD-930 unit does Auto
> > Azimuth Correction just like Nak does and I think even better. 
> They
> > split both the right and left channels and compare the phase of
> Left1
> > to Left2 and Right1 to Right2.  Nak only splits the ... left
> channel
> > I think and compares the phase of just that one channel.  To
> actually
> > rotate the head Marantz uses a piezo electric motor right in the
> head
> > mounting block.  Very elegant.  They claim that they can adjust
> in
> > 3/100th of a second.  It sounds like they continuously adjusting
> > azimuth instead of the Nakamichi way where it only readjusts if
> there
> > is a 3 second gap in the music or after x many seconds after
> hitting
> > play.  I forget the scheme they have, but, it was sometimes very
> > annoying on my TD-1200II.  I had this one tape where it worked
> great
> > on the first few songs and then totally blow it on this one song.
>  I
> > would have to hit stop then play and wait for it to readjust.  
> > 
> > Does anyone have a Marantz SD-930.  Or should I ask has anyone
> ever
> > seen this deck.  I suspect they were outrageously expensive and
> as
> > rare as hens teeth.
> > 
> > The Marantz however is only a unidirectional deck, unlike the
> Dragon
> > which will play and correct for azimuth in both direction, but,
> > record in only 1 direction.
> > 
> > The Marantz also 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Christian Hansen <christian.hansen at 62modelo.de> wrote:
> > > Hi Scott,
> > > 
> > > yes, the pictures tell that; try this page (as you seem to
> > > understand 
> > > some japanese...):
> > > 
> > > http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sd-930.html
> > > 
> > > And the Marantz SD930 is from 1983, Dragon from 1982 - pretty
> > > close, as 
> > > is MAAC and NAAC.
> > > 
> > > Christian
> > > 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Mar  2 08:06:26 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:06:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
Message-ID: <s0444ea2.041@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Sounds good Paul, thanks for the link.

Marc

>>> paulkoo at comcast.net 03/01/04 09:20PM >>>
Has anyone looked at the Telarc web site www.telarc.com for the
discontinued pre-recorded cassettes that are digitally mastered using
TDK SA?  They are selling it for $2 each.  I had ordered a few and am
very satisfied with the quality.

Paul
> hi,i just seperated my digital casettes from my analog.there are
those
> digitally mastered,and those remastered digitally from analog
> recordings.wondering about your experence with these two types
compared
> to analog.Many of my analog pre-recorded tapes sound rich warm and
> wonderful,if slightly vieled compared to l.p..          Also looking
for
> input on old musical heritage society  pre-recorded cassettes,as
these
> types comprise a good part of my collection.
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar  2 09:26:15 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:26:15 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
In-Reply-To: <001a01c40022$9206e530$38773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000001c40030$0738a700$eb78893e@oemcomputer>

ZX-9 do??

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 02 March 2004 06:50
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
>
>
> You don't need that, Gra, just a good cassette recorder. I'll do the rest.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
>
>
> > Sorry, no CD making gear at the moment.  May be when I sell the CR-7 ...
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > > Sent: 02 March 2004 01:43
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll be doing the mastering and duplication for the San Francisco
> > > chapter of
> > > Nakamaniacs. It would be one CD. What about other guys ? Are
> > > there any other
> > > group of guys living close that can make the same ? Unfortunately, I'm
> > > isolate in this island. What about our comrades in England ?
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
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> > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:30 PM
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> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm looking forward to Marathon Tape S.F. CD's when you guys get it
> all
> > > > together.
> > > >
> > > > John T.
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Mar  2 09:46:29 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:46:29 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Parts Nak 480 for a good home
References: <200402281100.i1SB0Dju014233@zebra.naks.com><200402281100.i1SB0Dju014233@zebra.naks.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20040301192440.0390d008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <002d01c40032$dad8e9b0$c8cd4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
just had same problem with a 480 i got off ebay, and it was the mode belt
slipping , impressed with the 480 good mechanics
phill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts Nak 480 for a good home


> Is this a similar arrangement to the Dragon?
>
> I've been told -- since I got a Dragon with this problem -- that it's
> merely gummy lube on the pinch roller arm pivots...now cleaning it is
> another matter, but look at posts with my name in it for the last two or
> three weeks and you'll see some great advice.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
> At 02:27 PM 3/1/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >I have a 'parts' Nak 480 (black) that I'd like to offer up here to a good
> >home for the cost of shipping & handling (US only, please).  I figure
that
> >will probably run about $20-25 for double boxing and UPS.
> >
> >The biggest problem is that the pinch roller assembly does not swing into
> >place when Play is pressed.  If you reach inside and force it up, the
deck
> >will start moving, but the pinch rollers never press on the capistans.
> >I've tried disassembling and cleaning, but haven't found the magic spot
> >yet, and I've given up on investing more time to fix this(I have a 582
and
> >a CR-7 to keep me busy...).
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Mar  2 19:00:22 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:00:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
References: <000001c40030$0738a700$eb78893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001601c40080$3bec43d0$2d773242@CopyTech>

Of course. If you get together with a couple of fellows from England and do
your own Nak Fest, like the guys in SF, you send me the master and I do the
rest for you.

Carlos

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Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part


> ZX-9 do??
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > Sent: 02 March 2004 06:50
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
> >
> >
> > You don't need that, Gra, just a good cassette recorder. I'll do the
rest.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:15 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
> >
> >
> > > Sorry, no CD making gear at the moment.  May be when I sell the CR-7
...
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > > > Sent: 02 March 2004 01:43
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'll be doing the mastering and duplication for the San Francisco
> > > > chapter of
> > > > Nakamaniacs. It would be one CD. What about other guys ? Are
> > > > there any other
> > > > group of guys living close that can make the same ? Unfortunately,
I'm
> > > > isolate in this island. What about our comrades in England ?
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:30 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] SF bay area mini Nak-fest - the fun part
> > > >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed Mar  3 04:26:27 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:26:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded tape talk
Message-ID: <22766-40455063-1584@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

of course the major cassette and lp labels that are the most desirable
are london FFR,RCA Red Seal (lsc-living presence) and Victrola,as well
as Mercury (dont know if Cassettes were made in Living Presence or
Golden Import).My Question is,has anyone had any pleasant experiences
with the likes of Phillips,Columbia,CBS Masterworks , Deutsche
Grammaphone,or MHS? iI have quite a few of these.If I Remember Correctly
from my old cd and tape guide,there are some gems among these labels?I
havent gone through many of my my tape and mint sealed LP collection to
compare them .As yet they dont compare to my rca,s and london ffr,s with
some of the columbia masterworks being actually bad,and a regular london
(nott FFr)being better than the Phillips and Deutshe Grammaphone,which
were very good sounding and keepers.

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed Mar  3 04:56:55 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:56:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] funniest e-bay ads
Message-ID: <22764-40455787-3947@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

good idea-heres my submission.current e-bay auction #3800766503
Chinon camera               "Camera and Flash work well....camera not
tested so sold as is"  - guess he means it works well when it works
well?!

thank you very much,
gerald



From kjbleus at charter.net  Wed Mar  3 05:11:00 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:11:00 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Sound of Nakamichi Cassette
Message-ID: <000f01c400d5$8a309410$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

What do you guys think about this Nakamichi manufactured cassette from 1986?  Worthy music recording sampler??  Maybe we should pool our funds, get this cassette, and remaster to duplicate so we all can share the music.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3082281151&category=4784

Comments?  Who's willing to front the funds to get us a classic cassette??

It may be a steep and costly bidding competition!!!

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  3 05:35:15 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 23:35:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sound of Nakamichi Cassette
Message-ID: <BAY2-F61uLn5U9T3TGJ00009aa7@hotmail.com>

I have six of these...it is worth the money!


>From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <Naktalk at naks.com>, <NakChatt at yahoogroups.com>
>CC: KJ Bleus <kjbleus at charter.net>
>Subject: [naktalk] Sound of Nakamichi Cassette
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:11:00 -0600
>
>What do you guys think about this Nakamichi manufactured cassette from 
>1986?  Worthy music recording sampler??  Maybe we should pool our funds, 
>get this cassette, and remaster to duplicate so we all can share the music.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3082281151&category=4784
>
>Comments?  Who's willing to front the funds to get us a classic cassette??
>
>It may be a steep and costly bidding competition!!!
>
>Regards,
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Mar  3 07:55:44 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:55:44 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] funniest e-bay ads
References: <22764-40455787-3947@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000601c400ec$8d0f79a0$94299bca@aisha>


a-ha !  a good contender:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080049563&category=3282

"This one has Direct Linear Reception Circuit and Pentacle Circuit.No one
actually knows what these circuits do but if you need them they are included
in this tuner."

I 'met' a person off ebay the other day who confessed he go 'garage-saling'
every weekend and make money from auctions ... even invited me to do so.
Interesting new profession.

By the way,  is audiotalk still running ?

cheers,
salim sm


----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald G.
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: [naktalk] funniest e-bay ads


good idea-heres my submission.current e-bay auction #3800766503
Chinon camera               "Camera and Flash work well....camera not
tested so sold as is"  - guess he means it works well when it works
well?!

thank you very much,
gerald





From michael.martorana at ntlworld.com  Wed Mar  3 00:43:36 2004
From: michael.martorana at ntlworld.com (Michael G Martorana)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:43:36 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Session
Message-ID: <00d501c400b0$2f07c920$b73e6b51@gigabyte>

Dear Carlos

Finally had a chance to listen to the Marathon tape.  What can I say that has not been said before!  Thank you Carlos, and to all of you involved in creating this sonic masterpiece.

Best wishes

Michael
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Mar  4 04:13:01 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:13:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] AudioTalk Page Back Online!
Message-ID: <17869-40469EBD-1625@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

hi,AudioTalk is Back Up.Thanks for letting me rent (1/2 rant ,1/4 vent)
space on the tekkie page whilst' t'was down. I would have exploded.
Hopefully  lots of fun on audioTalk with some serious and some light
audio issues.Feel free to ignore me  anytime.

thank you very much,
gerald



From neilasimon at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  4 15:15:21 2004
From: neilasimon at yahoo.com (neilasimon at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:15:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR7E
Message-ID: <20040304141521.1314.qmail@web60301.mail.yahoo.com>

 
I recently acquired a wonderful CR7E but have no manual.   Can anyone advise me where I can get hold of one?
Neil Simon, Hatfield UK.


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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Mar  5 04:19:37 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:19:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] using the nak to play other tapedecks and c.d's
Message-ID: <7064-4047F1C9-3803@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>

i was just sitting around with two much time on my hands and no
immidiate opportunities to go out with paris hilton,and i thought of
using those little devices you play portable C.d.'s through the car
stereo tape Deck to Play all Kinds of Stuff through the Nak Circuitry.if
you could get the door closed against the wire and dont use the
auto-reverse on the DRAGON!

thank you very much,
gerald



From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Fri Mar  5 05:18:55 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 00:18:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape!!!!
Message-ID: <000e01c40268$fd4a0f00$b96723c8@g8nsv>

Yestreday I received my Marathon Tape cds (thanks a lot for being the messenger Bleus!!!).
It is simply awesome.....the selection is really great and fun to listen to and the processing job is done impecable.
Thanks to all of you who participated in this project (I wasn't able this time...) and special thanks to carlos for doing the masterization which included moving from Puerto Rico and back....jejeje
It is really briliant....
Hope to see you all back in Marathon Tape II...

Isy

Hey Carlos how can I get in touch with you??? Please write me eprsonally to fidelman at telcel.net.ve

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Mar  5 08:30:24 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:30:24 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR7E
References: <20040304141521.1314.qmail@web60301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c40283$b98a81d0$8f064f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
unless someone on nakchat has one a seller on usa ebay has a multitude of nak manuals 'techman777'
p
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  I recently acquired a wonderful CR7E but have no manual.   Can anyone advise me where I can get hold of one?
  Neil Simon, Hatfield UK.


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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  5 11:42:59 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 05:42:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR7E
Message-ID: <BAY2-F157E9Hg4BzfDK00020799@hotmail.com>

Yes....purchased one from him for my 505.


>From: "p r" <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7E
>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:30:24 -0000
>
>hi
>unless someone on nakchat has one a seller on usa ebay has a multitude of 
>nak manuals 'techman777'
>p
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Mar  5 16:32:49 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:32:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL
References: <000f01c400d5$8a309410$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <001a01c402c7$1e809ff0$1c773242@CopyTech>

Well folks, after a long consideration I have decide to sell my 1000 ZXL as is. As you know, the machine needs repairs but I'm not interested anymore. Cosmetics is 10, original manual and carton with some brand new BASF Reference II cassettes are included. Don't ask me what it has, because I don't know. Since it looks like new, you can even use her for parts or anything you like.

The other day a machine like this was sold for over $600.00 at ebay for parts and the cosmetics were  not good. I'm just asking $395.00 to help me cover the repair expenses I invested in her. How much it would cost to fix her ? I don't know either, but at this price we can not ask many questions, do we ?

By the way, a perfect Tandberg 3014 A with manual is available for $450.00

Thanks.

Carlos
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From lyra at abc.lt  Fri Mar  5 13:38:36 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:38:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL
References: <000f01c400d5$8a309410$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<001a01c402c7$1e809ff0$1c773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <002001c402ae$c754b940$040310ac@lyra2>

Hi Carlos,

I am interested in your Tandberg 3014A. Please contact me at lyra at abc.lt

Thanks,
Tadas

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  Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 17:32
  Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL


  Well folks, after a long consideration I have decide to sell my 1000 ZXL as is. As you know, the machine needs repairs but I'm not interested anymore. Cosmetics is 10, original manual and carton with some brand new BASF Reference II cassettes are included. Don't ask me what it has, because I don't know. Since it looks like new, you can even use her for parts or anything you like.

  The other day a machine like this was sold for over $600.00 at ebay for parts and the cosmetics were  not good. I'm just asking $395.00 to help me cover the repair expenses I invested in her. How much it would cost to fix her ? I don't know either, but at this price we can not ask many questions, do we ?

  By the way, a perfect Tandberg 3014 A with manual is available for $450.00

  Thanks.

  Carlos


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From RTLehe at aol.com  Fri Mar  5 15:12:50 2004
From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 09:12:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] using the nak to play other tapedecks and c.d's
Message-ID: <5DDEC88B.77F3AF19.0004E774@aol.com>

What good circuitry means is that it degrades the signal less than bad circuitry.  No matter how good the Dragon circuitry is, putting it between the CD and the amp will not be an improvement over a direct connection from the CD to the amp. Dragons are not magical signal enhancers.  Stick with dreaming of Paris Hilton.

Tad


From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Mar  5 15:13:45 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:13:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] nak "front end" for my cheapo gear
Message-ID: <7064-40488B19-4646@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>

hi,will playing my 200 dollar c.d.  player or my average quality tape
deck through my NAK using the lttle cd to casstte adaptor that looks
like a tape with a cord and mini jack, and some patch cord adapters,
turn the set up into a lush sounding line level pre-amped nakamichi rich
luscious sound?if so i just found a new use for my tri-tracer!it will be
my dubbing deck and front end for various other components.An wat to get
a line level out of my moving magnet turntable to run it throughthe NAK
as well?

thank you very much,
gerald



From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Fri Mar  5 20:54:43 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:54:43 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Parts source
Message-ID: <20508796@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From jochi at qwest.net  Fri Mar  5 22:59:32 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:59:32 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape
Message-ID: <001701c402fd$24312b00$0400000a@uswest.net>

My CR-7 deck refuses to auto calibrate Sony SR Type IV metal tape.  The deck has just returned from a complete checkup and alignment with Stephen Sank.  The CR-7 records and plays beautifully.  The CR-7 calibrates type I and type II tapes just fine.    But whenever I try to auto calibrate a Sony Metal SR tape, the auto calibration lights start blinking signaling that calibration cannot be done.  

The owner's manual says calibration will not occur if the CR-7 detects an inferior tape or tape cassette housing.  So I tried other type IV tapes.  The TDK MA tapes all calibrate.  Fuji metal tapes will calibrate.  Most, but not all, Maxell Metal tapes will calibrate.  

So my questions are:
1.  Any thoughts on why the Sony Metal tapes will not calibrate (I just bought a whole bunch of these otherwise fine tapes).
2.  Is there any way to overcome the auto calibrate feature of the CR-7, ie. is there any way to do a manual calibration as I do on my CR-4 and my 682ZX ???

Thank you for any thoughts.

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From chaoboy at theriver.com  Sat Mar  6 01:00:36 2004
From: chaoboy at theriver.com (Tyson F Nuss, esq.)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:00:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: using the nak to play other tapedecks and c.d's
In-Reply-To: <200403051103.i25B1rjv008248@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200403051103.i25B1rjv008248@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <a06020402bc6eba1133b7@[206.97.60.196]>

Indeed, that was the setup I was using in my former Audi 5000S wagon: 
a portable Discman, plugged into a cassette adapter, played through 
my Nak TD-700, pre-outs going to a Hafler 6-channel amp under the 
cargo bay floor, with two channels bridged and powering a 6" SAS 
Bazooka subwoofer tube, the other channels driving four Advent 4.0i 
4" ICT drivers (*loved* the clarity, range and imaging of the Nak 
with those unusual, non-crossover, inductively-coupled 
midrange+tweeter drivers, too bad Advent/Jensen gave up on marketing 
them here).

Suffice to say, even using that Discman with a cassette adapter, I 
was quite well pleased, and passengers were astonished, by the sound 
quality and presence of my system!  Others' gear may have been louder 
overall or had more thump (y'know, the usual testosterone-driven 
system specs these days %^), but mine had a visceral "power" to be 
reckoned with, in ways other than measurable by sheer Amps, dBs, and 
bass output.  Heck, sometimes we'd prefer going out to my car for a 
good listen to some stirring or just-plain-new material one of us had 
just obtained on CD (and sometimes wouldn't even leave the driveway! 
%^)...

Only reason I'm looking to vary from that setup in my current car is 
that its shaft-mount-era dashboard isn't readily amenable to modern 
DIN-chassis head units such as the TD-700, and as long as I'm likely 
to switch to a shaft-mount head unit, I might as well look for one 
with a proper Aux/CD line-level input and a better tuner section than 
most/all mobile Naks tended to have.  Still, I must say again for the 
record, a cassette adapter sounded *plenty* nice on that good ol' 
TD-700...

%^D,
- Tyson

At 12:03pm +0100 3/5/04, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:
>Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:19:37 -0600 (CST)
>From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Subject: [naktalk] using the nak to play other tapedecks and c.d's
>
>i was just sitting around with two much time on my hands and no
>immidiate opportunities to go out with paris hilton,and i thought of
>using those little devices you play portable C.d.'s through the car
>stereo tape Deck to Play all Kinds of Stuff through the Nak Circuitry.if
>you could get the door closed against the wire and dont use the
>auto-reverse on the DRAGON!
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald


From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Mar  6 03:54:20 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 18:54:20 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape
Message-ID: <64f1b2664f28fc.64f28fc64f1b26@vsnl.net>

Hi Jon
If it had just returned from Stephen - you can as well ask him about this?
However you can calibrate with any other metal tape and record on Sony SR tape - it should record allright. check whether it recognizes the Sony Sr as type Iv tape first? One reason that comes to my mind - you should check which phase of calibration it errors out? First it aligns azimuth/ second level and then bias. If bias fails there is good possiblity that bias oscillator is in trouble - other than that it can be anything ? needs head alignment and recalibrating the deck as per service manual. You need good lot of alignment tapes/ gauges - and special CR 7 alignment electronic jig ! It is not easy as many nak three head decks anyway
send it back to Stephen.
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My CR-7 deck refuses to auto calibrate Sony SR Type IV metal tape.  The =
deck has just returned from a complete checkup and alignment with =
Stephen Sank.  The CR-7 records and plays beautifully.  The CR-7 =
calibrates type I and type II tapes just fine.    But whenever I try to =
auto calibrate a Sony Metal SR tape, the auto calibration lights start =
blinking signaling that calibration cannot be done. =20

The owner's manual says calibration will not occur if the CR-7 detects =
an inferior tape or tape cassette housing.  So I tried other type IV =
tapes.  The TDK MA tapes all calibrate.  Fuji metal tapes will =
calibrate.  Most, but not all, Maxell Metal tapes will calibrate. =20

So my questions are:
1.  Any thoughts on why the Sony Metal tapes will not calibrate (I just =
bought a whole bunch of these otherwise fine tapes).
2.  Is there any way to overcome the auto calibrate feature of the CR-7, =
ie. is there any way to do a manual calibration as I do on my CR-4 and =
my 682ZX ???

Thank you for any thoughts.

Jon Ochi
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<DIV>My CR-7 deck refuses to auto calibrate Sony SR Type IV metal =
tape.&nbsp;=20
The deck has just returned from a complete checkup and alignment with =
Stephen=20
Sank.&nbsp;&nbsp;The CR-7&nbsp;records and plays beautifully.&nbsp;=20
The&nbsp;CR-7 calibrates type I and type II tapes just=20
fine.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<STRONG>B</STRONG>ut whenever I try to auto =

calibrate a Sony Metal SR tape, the auto calibration lights start =
blinking=20
signaling that calibration cannot be done.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The owner's manual says calibration will not occur if the CR-7 =
detects an=20
inferior tape or tape cassette housing.&nbsp; So I tried other type IV=20
tapes.&nbsp; The TDK MA tapes all calibrate.&nbsp; Fuji metal tapes will =

calibrate.&nbsp; Most, but not all, Maxell Metal tapes will =
calibrate.&nbsp;=20
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>So my questions are:</DIV>
<DIV>1.&nbsp; Any thoughts on why the Sony Metal tapes will not =
calibrate (I=20
just bought a whole bunch of these otherwise fine tapes).</DIV>
<DIV>2.&nbsp; Is there any way to overcome the auto calibrate feature of =
the=20
CR-7, ie. is there any way to do a manual calibration as I do on my CR-4 =
and my=20
682ZX ???</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for any thoughts.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Sat Mar  6 04:04:35 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:04:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sound of Nakamichi Cassette
Message-ID: <s048f985.055@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Bleus and all other Naktalkers,

Due to physical problems, from too much crawling and twisting, while installing more cabling at AU, have not been keeping up with Naktalk for the past week.  This message is as far as I could access from home tonight.  My e-mail access from home leaves a lot to be desired, the internet access is very slow (14.4 kbaud), but eventually comes through.  Also, I get kicked off fairly regularly, sometimes right in the middle of a message or accessing a web page.  Ah, but life goes on!  I have been bidding on this item, with $25.00 as my (kent47) high bid.  If someone else wants to keep going, I'm out after that.

Enjoy the music!

Kent Merideth  

>>> kjbleus at charter.net 03/02/04 11:11PM >>>

What do you guys think about this Nakamichi manufactured cassette from 1986?  Worthy music recording sampler??  Maybe we should pool our funds, get this cassette, and remaster to duplicate so we all can share the music.
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3082281151&category=4784
 
Comments?  Who's willing to front the funds to get us a classic cassette??
 
It may be a steep and costly bidding competition!!!
 
Regards,
 
Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net
 
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Sat Mar  6 05:23:26 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:23:26 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL
Message-ID: <bd.3d428933.2d7aac3e@aol.com>



••••••••••••• Original Message •••••••••••••

Hi Carlos,

I am interested in your Tandberg 3014A. Please contact me at lyra at abc.lt

Thanks,
Tadas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: El Magnifico 
To: naktalk at naks.com ; NakChatt at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 17:32
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL


Well folks, after a long consideration I have decide to sell my 1000 ZXL as 
is. As you know, the machine needs repairs but I'm not interested anymore. 
Cosmetics is 10, original manual and carton with some brand new BASF Reference II 
cassettes are included. Don't ask me what it has, because I don't know. Since 
it looks like new, you can even use her for parts or anything you like.

The other day a machine like this was sold for over $600.00 at ebay for parts 
and the cosmetics were  not good. I'm just asking $395.00 to help me cover 
the repair expenses I invested in her. How much it would cost to fix her ? I 
don't know either, but at this price we can not ask many questions, do we ?

By the way, a perfect Tandberg 3014 A with manual is available for $450.00

Thanks.

Carlos



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From jochi at qwest.net  Sat Mar  6 07:00:19 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:00:19 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape
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Kannan,

Thank you for your kind response.  Your idea of using any metal tape to
calibrate is a good one.  And, yes, the Sony Metal should be close.

I think I will ask Stephen.  That is also a good idea.  I hate to have pack
it up again to send it back and then be without it for two months, but if
that is what it takes.   No one ever said it is easy to get everything
right!!!

Regards,
Jon
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape


> Hi Jon
> If it had just returned from Stephen - you can as well ask him about this?
> However you can calibrate with any other metal tape and record on Sony SR
tape - it should record allright. check whether it recognizes the Sony Sr as
type Iv tape first? One reason that comes to my mind - you should check
which phase of calibration it errors out? First it aligns azimuth/ second
level and then bias. If bias fails there is good possiblity that bias
oscillator is in trouble - other than that it can be anything ? needs head
alignment and recalibrating the deck as per service manual. You need good
lot of alignment tapes/ gauges - and special CR 7 alignment electronic jig !
It is not easy as many nak three head decks anyway
> send it back to Stephen.
> kannan
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> My CR-7 deck refuses to auto calibrate Sony SR Type IV metal tape.  The =
> deck has just returned from a complete checkup and alignment with =
> Stephen Sank.  The CR-7 records and plays beautifully.  The CR-7 =
> calibrates type I and type II tapes just fine.    But whenever I try to =
> auto calibrate a Sony Metal SR tape, the auto calibration lights start =
> blinking signaling that calibration cannot be done. =20
>
> The owner's manual says calibration will not occur if the CR-7 detects =
> an inferior tape or tape cassette housing.  So I tried other type IV =
> tapes.  The TDK MA tapes all calibrate.  Fuji metal tapes will =
> calibrate.  Most, but not all, Maxell Metal tapes will calibrate. =20
>
> So my questions are:
> 1.  Any thoughts on why the Sony Metal tapes will not calibrate (I just =
> bought a whole bunch of these otherwise fine tapes).
> 2.  Is there any way to overcome the auto calibrate feature of the CR-7, =
> ie. is there any way to do a manual calibration as I do on my CR-4 and =
> my 682ZX ???
>
> Thank you for any thoughts.
>
> Jon Ochi
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> <DIV>My CR-7 deck refuses to auto calibrate Sony SR Type IV metal =
> tape.&nbsp;=20
> The deck has just returned from a complete checkup and alignment with =
> Stephen=20
> Sank.&nbsp;&nbsp;The CR-7&nbsp;records and plays beautifully.&nbsp;=20
> The&nbsp;CR-7 calibrates type I and type II tapes just=20
> fine.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<STRONG>B</STRONG>ut whenever I try to auto =
>
> calibrate a Sony Metal SR tape, the auto calibration lights start =
> blinking=20
> signaling that calibration cannot be done.&nbsp; </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>The owner's manual says calibration will not occur if the CR-7 =
> detects an=20
> inferior tape or tape cassette housing.&nbsp; So I tried other type IV=20
> tapes.&nbsp; The TDK MA tapes all calibrate.&nbsp; Fuji metal tapes will =
>
> calibrate.&nbsp; Most, but not all, Maxell Metal tapes will =
> calibrate.&nbsp;=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>So my questions are:</DIV>
> <DIV>1.&nbsp; Any thoughts on why the Sony Metal tapes will not =
> calibrate (I=20
> just bought a whole bunch of these otherwise fine tapes).</DIV>
> <DIV>2.&nbsp; Is there any way to overcome the auto calibrate feature of =
> the=20
> CR-7, ie. is there any way to do a manual calibration as I do on my CR-4 =
> and my=20
> 682ZX ???</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Thank you for any thoughts.</DIV>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Mar  6 21:10:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:10:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL
References: <000f01c400d5$8a309410$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><001a01c402c7$1e809ff0$1c773242@CopyTech>
	<002001c402ae$c754b940$040310ac@lyra2>
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Both machines are gone. Thanks all for the courtesy.

Carlos
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From calijente at gmx.net  Sat Mar  6 20:51:15 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:51:15 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] nak "front end" for my cheapo gear
In-Reply-To: <7064-40488B19-4646@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000201c403b4$663f7d50$177cce80@Tweezzy>

I think this setup will not work at all. 

In order for the cassette adapter to work, the two heads (the one in the
cassette adapter and the playback head in your tape recorder) must be
perfectly aligned (gap to gap). This is not possible with a three-head
Nakamichi, because the gap of the cassette adaptor head falls right in
between the record and the playback heads. Besides, the tape-pad lifter will
prevent the two heads from getting into direct contact anyway. 

In addition to that, having a big metallic object (the cassette adapter
head) pressing against the delicate head assembly of your 700 might damage
it, so I would not try this if I were you.

Cheers,

Gabe

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:14 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] nak "front end" for my cheapo gear
> 
> 
> hi,will playing my 200 dollar c.d.  player or my average 
> quality tape deck through my NAK using the lttle cd to 
> casstte adaptor that looks like a tape with a cord and mini 
> jack, and some patch cord adapters, turn the set up into a 
> lush sounding line level pre-amped nakamichi rich luscious 
> sound?if so i just found a new use for my tri-tracer!it will 
> be my dubbing deck and front end for various other 
> components.An wat to get a line level out of my moving magnet 
> turntable to run it throughthe NAK as well?
> 
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Sat Mar  6 21:35:26 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:35:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape
Message-ID: <200403061535_MC3-1-7448-6DD1@compuserve.com>

Hi Jonathan,

I recently got one cr-7 which is not in a good shape (needs idler
replacement etc). And found one used Sony SR 90 metal cassette (possibly
from early 90's). My cr-7 did not have any problem with the calibration. 

But one thing I remembered that my Akai deck used to "eat" this tape,
possibly because of the SR tape's bad quality (plastic shell w/o screws,
maybe thin tape). Therefore it maybe better not using this tape at all.

_Fuad



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Kannan,

Thank you for your kind response.  Your idea of using any metal tape to
calibrate is a good one.  And, yes, the Sony Metal should be close.

I think I will ask Stephen.  That is also a good idea.  I hate to have pack
it up again to send it back and then be without it for two months, but if
that is what it takes.   No one ever said it is easy to get everything
right!!!

Regards,
Jon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape


> Hi Jon
> If it had just returned from Stephen - you can as well ask him about
this?
> However you can calibrate with any other metal tape and record on Sony SR
tape - it should record allright. check whether it recognizes the Sony Sr
as
type Iv tape first? One reason that comes to my mind - you should check
which phase of calibration it errors out? First it aligns azimuth/ second
level and then bias. If bias fails there is good possiblity that bias
oscillator is in trouble - other than that it can be anything ? needs head
alignment and recalibrating the deck as per service manual. You need good
lot of alignment tapes/ gauges - and special CR 7 alignment electronic jig
!
It is not easy as many nak three head decks anyway
> send it back to Stephen.
> kannan
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> My CR-7 deck refuses to auto calibrate Sony SR Type IV metal tape.  The =
> deck has just returned from a complete checkup and alignment with =
> Stephen Sank.  The CR-7 records and plays beautifully.  The CR-7 =
> calibrates type I and type II tapes just fine.    But whenever I try to =
> auto calibrate a Sony Metal SR tape, the auto calibration lights start =
> blinking signaling that calibration cannot be done. =20
>
> The owner's manual says calibration will not occur if the CR-7 detects =
> an inferior tape or tape cassette housing.  So I tried other type IV =
> tapes.  The TDK MA tapes all calibrate.  Fuji metal tapes will =
> calibrate.  Most, but not all, Maxell Metal tapes will calibrate. =20
>
> So my questions are:
> 1.  Any thoughts on why the Sony Metal tapes will not calibrate (I just =
> bought a whole bunch of these otherwise fine tapes).
> 2.  Is there any way to overcome the auto calibrate feature of the CR-7,
=
> ie. is there any way to do a manual calibration as I do on my CR-4 and =
> my 682ZX ???
>
> Thank you for any thoughts.
>
> Jon Ochi
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> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <DIV>My CR-7 deck refuses to auto calibrate Sony SR Type IV metal =
> tape.&nbsp;=20
> The deck has just returned from a complete checkup and alignment with =
> Stephen=20
> Sank.&nbsp;&nbsp;The CR-7&nbsp;records and plays beautifully.&nbsp;=20
> The&nbsp;CR-7 calibrates type I and type II tapes just=20
> fine.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<STRONG>B</STRONG>ut whenever I try to auto
=
>
> calibrate a Sony Metal SR tape, the auto calibration lights start =
> blinking=20
> signaling that calibration cannot be done.&nbsp; </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>The owner's manual says calibration will not occur if the CR-7 =
> detects an=20
> inferior tape or tape cassette housing.&nbsp; So I tried other type IV=20
> tapes.&nbsp; The TDK MA tapes all calibrate.&nbsp; Fuji metal tapes will
=
>
> calibrate.&nbsp; Most, but not all, Maxell Metal tapes will =
> calibrate.&nbsp;=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>So my questions are:</DIV>
> <DIV>1.&nbsp; Any thoughts on why the Sony Metal tapes will not =
> calibrate (I=20
> just bought a whole bunch of these otherwise fine tapes).</DIV>
> <DIV>2.&nbsp; Is there any way to overcome the auto calibrate feature of
=
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=
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From cobra2 at online.no  Sun Mar  7 12:09:57 2004
From: cobra2 at online.no (Arne Karlsen)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:09:57 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
Message-ID: <000c01c40434$ba000330$8812200a@MAIN>

Hello!
Please help...
Some time ago, I downloaded some user & service-manuals
from the "Naks" site...
Now I need the user & service-manual for the "CasetteDeck 1"
Can anybody help? (I have a large mail-box; cobra2 at online dot no)
Best regards

Arne Karlsen
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From georgeross at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar  7 12:17:51 2004
From: georgeross at blueyonder.co.uk (George Ross)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:17:51 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
References: <000c01c40434$ba000330$8812200a@MAIN>
Message-ID: <001901c40435$d435f420$66782852@psn3t>

Hi Guys

I'm new to this group, and Arne's question raises an interesting point...where on the Nak's site can you download such info?  I'm looking for the user and service manuals for a DR1.  Any help welcomed!

Best regards

George
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  From: Arne Karlsen 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:09 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!


  Hello!
  Please help...
  Some time ago, I downloaded some user & service-manuals
  from the "Naks" site...
  Now I need the user & service-manual for the "CasetteDeck 1"
  Can anybody help? (I have a large mail-box; cobra2 at online dot no)
  Best regards

  Arne Karlsen
  NORWAY 


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From mithao at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  7 15:12:45 2004
From: mithao at hotmail.com (Minh Pham)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:12:45 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
Message-ID: <BAY14-F10u45XijWQK30000865d@hotmail.com>

Hi;
This is a weak point of this group. I know they have a complete Nakamichi 
manuals. But for some reasons ( one reason is to worry someone will sell 
them on Ebay) we can not download anything from this site.
I don't see Yamaha information selling on Ebay because its website has them 
for all.
Sadly;
Mithao


>From: "George Ross" <georgeross at blueyonder.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Arne Karlsen" <cobra2 at online.no>,        "Talk about Nakamichi 
>Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
>Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:17:51 -0000
>
>Hi Guys
>
>I'm new to this group, and Arne's question raises an interesting 
>point...where on the Nak's site can you download such info?  I'm looking 
>for the user and service manuals for a DR1.  Any help welcomed!
>
>Best regards
>
>George
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Arne Karlsen
>   To: naktalk at naks.com
>   Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:09 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
>
>
>   Hello!
>   Please help...
>   Some time ago, I downloaded some user & service-manuals
>   from the "Naks" site...
>   Now I need the user & service-manual for the "CasetteDeck 1"
>   Can anybody help? (I have a large mail-box; cobra2 at online dot no)
>   Best regards
>
>   Arne Karlsen
>   NORWAY
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  7 21:51:56 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 21:51:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
In-Reply-To: <000c01c40434$ba000330$8812200a@MAIN>
References: <000c01c40434$ba000330$8812200a@MAIN>
Message-ID: <404B8B6C.4020804@xs4all.nl>

Hi,
There have never been Cassette Deck 1 (1.5 or 2!) owners or user manuals 
available (besides a Ducth owners manual. If your Dutch is ok then i'd 
be happy to make it available for you).
If anyone is willing to scan their manual, please do and i'll make it 
available. Please take notice that this site has no relations with 
Nakamichi, so has no access to any material by them!

Wouter

Arne Karlsen wrote:

> Hello!
> Please help...
> Some time ago, I downloaded some user & service-manuals
> from the "Naks" site...
> Now I need the user & service-manual for the "CasetteDeck 1"
> Can anybody help? (I have a large mail-box; cobra2 at online dot no)
> Best regards
>  
> Arne Karlsen
> NORWAY 
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From cobra2 at online.no  Mon Mar  8 03:16:53 2004
From: cobra2 at online.no (Arne Karlsen)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 03:16:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
Message-ID: <000601c404b3$6c3fe3c0$8812200a@MAIN>

Hmm, dutch is not much usable...but thanks for the offer.
Will probably have to search ebay.

BTW, I have butchered a RX-202, if anyone need a part, drop a line
to cobra2 at online.no ! (Just this month, feb-04).

Arne Karlsen
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From ttlinden at juno.com  Mon Mar  8 05:43:08 2004
From: ttlinden at juno.com (ttlinden at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 04:43:08 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
Message-ID: <20040307.204333.489.245585@webmail15.lax.untd.com>


I have a rx202 that won't take up the tape...what part do I need??
Any help from the 'butchered' unit??


From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Mar  8 08:42:54 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 07:42:54 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 / 9
In-Reply-To: <404B8B6C.4020804@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <000001c404e0$f7e85380$04d04c51@oemcomputer>

Guys

I'm looking for a dust cap that covers one pair of the L and R bias knobs on
my ZX-9.   I think one of my little "darling" little boys has pinched the
one that WAS there and I doubt if it will ever be found again ...

Can anyone help?

Gra'

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Mar  8 08:50:57 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:50:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!: Owner's Manual: Wouter
Message-ID: <s04c420d.027@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Wouter,

I have the manual for the Cassette Deck One.   I will scan it and then
contact you.  If you prefer I can write it to CD-R and send it on to
Netherlands.  This can be done this week.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 03/07/04 10:51PM >>>
Hi,
There have never been Cassette Deck 1 (1.5 or 2!) owners or user
manuals 
available (besides a Ducth owners manual. If your Dutch is ok then i'd

be happy to make it available for you).
If anyone is willing to scan their manual, please do and i'll make it 
available. Please take notice that this site has no relations with 
Nakamichi, so has no access to any material by them!

Wouter

Arne Karlsen wrote:

> Hello!
> Please help...
> Some time ago, I downloaded some user & service-manuals
> from the "Naks" site...
> Now I need the user & service-manual for the "CasetteDeck 1"
> Can anybody help? (I have a large mail-box; cobra2 at online dot no)
> Best regards
>  
> Arne Karlsen
> NORWAY 
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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  8 12:34:17 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:34:17 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 / 9 bias knobs
References: <000001c404e0$f7e85380$04d04c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <SEA2-DAV44LFAMBGI4E0001315e@hotmail.com>

Hi all,
I was not able to contribute nowadays (too much Nak-freaks out there...
:-)))

But I would need also those (all the 3 pairs) caps if there are any...not so
estethic, but probably useful...
It is only a weak joke from me, but if someone has many of them, then I
would be really interested...

Keep on Nakkin'!
Best regards,
István
(Hungary)

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 / 9


> Guys
>
> I'm looking for a dust cap that covers one pair of the L and R bias knobs
on
> my ZX-9.   I think one of my little "darling" little boys has pinched the
> one that WAS there and I doubt if it will ever be found again ...
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Gra'
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Mon Mar  8 17:14:35 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:14:35 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Parts source (forwarded from Fred Lifton)
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From cobra2 at online.no  Mon Mar  8 18:29:56 2004
From: cobra2 at online.no (Arne Karlsen)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:29:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!: Owner's Manual: Wouter
Message-ID: <000601c40532$f94b45a0$8812200a@MAIN>

Thanx again, but I have decided to sell the deck.
It is very lightly used, new in Dec.92, made in Japan.
I have cleaned the transport, and changed the 5 orange caps I found, to
wima and silver-mica types.
By-passed(paralell) some of the psu-caps, and bypassed the 
bi-polar "Muse" caps with 100nF, and added a "x2" cap for mains-filtering.

Have also some circuit-boards & front-panel for a RX-202....

Arne Karlsen
NORWAY
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From christian.hansen at 62modelo.de  Mon Mar  8 12:39:56 2004
From: christian.hansen at 62modelo.de (Christian Hansen)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:39:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
In-Reply-To: <000c01c40434$ba000330$8812200a@MAIN>
Message-ID: <52A6395C-70F5-11D8-9E51-000393DB3296@62modelo.de>

Hello Arne, hello George, hi all

Cassette Deck 1 and DR 1 are technically identic machines. I have a 
Cassette Deck 1 with the original Owner's manual 
(english/french/german), but not the Service manual. But there is a 
german distributor who sells these things (where I got the manual for 
my ZX 7). I just looked and found the Service Manual for Cassette Deck 
1 on their list. The URL is:

http://www.schaltungsdienst.de/

By clicking on the british banner you get the site in english language. 
Hope that helps. If not, I could try to order it for you, send it to 
Norway and you pay me the money back ('bout 15 Euro as far as I 
remember).

I have no scanner of my own, but if Wouter would like to get the 
Owner's Manual of Cassette Deck 1 for his great NAK-site I could try to 
find one with such a machine and scan it.

Best regards

Christian
Berlin, Germany



From christian.hansen at 62modelo.de  Mon Mar  8 18:15:37 2004
From: christian.hansen at 62modelo.de (Christian Hansen)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:15:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1...help!
In-Reply-To: <000c01c40434$ba000330$8812200a@MAIN>
Message-ID: <37A675BC-7124-11D8-9E51-000393DB3296@62modelo.de>

Hello Arne, hello George, hi all

Cassette Deck 1 and DR 1 are technically identic machines. I have a 
Cassette Deck 1 with the original Owner's manual 
(english/french/german), but no Service manual. There is a german 
distributor who sells these things (where I got the manual for my ZX 7, 
by the way). I just looked and found the Service Manual for Cassette 
Deck 1 on their list. The URL is:

http://www.schaltungsdienst.de/

By clicking on the british banner you get the site in english language. 
Hope that helps. If not, I could try to order it for you, send it to 
Norway and you pay me the money back ('bout 15 Euro as far as I 
remember).

I have no scanner of my own, but if Wouter would like to get the 
Owner's Manual of Cassette Deck 1 for his great NAK-site I could try to 
find one with such a machine and scan it.

Best regards

Christian
Berlin, Germany



From jochi at qwest.net  Tue Mar  9 07:00:08 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:00:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape
References: <200403061535_MC3-1-7448-6DD1@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c4059b$c73007e0$0400000a@uswest.net>

Fuad,

Thanks for sharing  your experiences with Sony SR metal tape.  It is
possible the Sony tapes are of lower quality plastic shells, for, as you
point out, the shells have now screws.  Whether or not the tape itself is
thin, I do not know.  I do think fine recordings can be made with the tape.
And since your CR-7 could calibrate the Sonys, I assume there is no inherent
reason why my CR-7 should not be able to calibrate the tapes.  And my 682zx
machines which are manual calibration, seem to have no trouble with
calibration.  Nor do the Sony tapes have any problem being eaten with either
model tape deck.

Again, I do appreciate your experiences.  I will continue to seek answers to
the problems I have experienced.

Regards,
Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape


> Hi Jonathan,
>
> I recently got one cr-7 which is not in a good shape (needs idler
> replacement etc). And found one used Sony SR 90 metal cassette (possibly
> from early 90's). My cr-7 did not have any problem with the calibration.
>
> But one thing I remembered that my Akai deck used to "eat" this tape,
> possibly because of the SR tape's bad quality (plastic shell w/o screws,
> maybe thin tape). Therefore it maybe better not using this tape at all.
>
> _Fuad
>
>
>
> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
> Precedence: list
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:00:19 -0800
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> References: <64f1b2664f28fc.64f28fc64f1b26 at vsnl.net>
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <002501c40340$4e8759e0$0400000a at uswest.net>
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>
> Kannan,
>
> Thank you for your kind response.  Your idea of using any metal tape to
> calibrate is a good one.  And, yes, the Sony Metal should be close.
>
> I think I will ask Stephen.  That is also a good idea.  I hate to have
pack
> it up again to send it back and then be without it for two months, but if
> that is what it takes.   No one ever said it is easy to get everything
> right!!!
>
> Regards,
> Jon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 will not auto calibrate metal tape
>
>
> > Hi Jon
> > If it had just returned from Stephen - you can as well ask him about
> this?
> > However you can calibrate with any other metal tape and record on Sony
SR
> tape - it should record allright. check whether it recognizes the Sony Sr
> as
> type Iv tape first? One reason that comes to my mind - you should check
> which phase of calibration it errors out? First it aligns azimuth/ second
> level and then bias. If bias fails there is good possiblity that bias
> oscillator is in trouble - other than that it can be anything ? needs head
> alignment and recalibrating the deck as per service manual. You need good
> lot of alignment tapes/ gauges - and special CR 7 alignment electronic jig
> !
> It is not easy as many nak three head decks anyway
> > send it back to Stephen.
> > kannan
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
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> >
> > ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C402BA.15C32660
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >
> > My CR-7 deck refuses to auto calibrate Sony SR Type IV metal tape.  The
=
> > deck has just returned from a complete checkup and alignment with =
> > Stephen Sank.  The CR-7 records and plays beautifully.  The CR-7 =
> > calibrates type I and type II tapes just fine.    But whenever I try to
=
> > auto calibrate a Sony Metal SR tape, the auto calibration lights start =
> > blinking signaling that calibration cannot be done. =20
> >
> > The owner's manual says calibration will not occur if the CR-7 detects =
> > an inferior tape or tape cassette housing.  So I tried other type IV =
> > tapes.  The TDK MA tapes all calibrate.  Fuji metal tapes will =
> > calibrate.  Most, but not all, Maxell Metal tapes will calibrate. =20
> >
> > So my questions are:
> > 1.  Any thoughts on why the Sony Metal tapes will not calibrate (I just
=
> > bought a whole bunch of these otherwise fine tapes).
> > 2.  Is there any way to overcome the auto calibrate feature of the CR-7,
> =
> > ie. is there any way to do a manual calibration as I do on my CR-4 and =
> > my 682ZX ???
> >
> > Thank you for any thoughts.
> >
> > Jon Ochi
> > ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C402BA.15C32660
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> > <STYLE></STYLE>
> > </HEAD>
> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> > <DIV>My CR-7 deck refuses to auto calibrate Sony SR Type IV metal =
> > tape.&nbsp;=20
> > The deck has just returned from a complete checkup and alignment with =
> > Stephen=20
> > Sank.&nbsp;&nbsp;The CR-7&nbsp;records and plays beautifully.&nbsp;=20
> > The&nbsp;CR-7 calibrates type I and type II tapes just=20
> > fine.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<STRONG>B</STRONG>ut whenever I try to auto
> =
> >
> > calibrate a Sony Metal SR tape, the auto calibration lights start =
> > blinking=20
> > signaling that calibration cannot be done.&nbsp; </DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV>The owner's manual says calibration will not occur if the CR-7 =
> > detects an=20
> > inferior tape or tape cassette housing.&nbsp; So I tried other type
IV=20
> > tapes.&nbsp; The TDK MA tapes all calibrate.&nbsp; Fuji metal tapes will
> =
> >
> > calibrate.&nbsp; Most, but not all, Maxell Metal tapes will =
> > calibrate.&nbsp;=20
> > </DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV>So my questions are:</DIV>
> > <DIV>1.&nbsp; Any thoughts on why the Sony Metal tapes will not =
> > calibrate (I=20
> > just bought a whole bunch of these otherwise fine tapes).</DIV>
> > <DIV>2.&nbsp; Is there any way to overcome the auto calibrate feature of
> =
> > the=20
> > CR-7, ie. is there any way to do a manual calibration as I do on my CR-4
> =
> > and my=20
> > 682ZX ???</DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV>Thank you for any thoughts.</DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV>Jon Ochi</DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
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> <
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Mar  9 16:34:45 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:34:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
In-Reply-To: <000901c3fff7$2e949400$7f773242@CopyTech>
References: <030120041920.8252.334d@comcast.net>
	<000901c3fff7$2e949400$7f773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <404DE415.9000309@rcn.com>


Following the discussion of the Telark cassettes, I ordered 10
of them with the intent of ordering a few more if, indeed, they
turn out to be as good as claimed here.

They arrived yesterday. I haven't listened to them all as yet,
but did listen to some. My conclusion was that they are, indeed,
at least better than average. At places, they are *much* better
than average (for example, Vivaldi's Four Seasons). So far,
though, nowhere do they sound truly G R E A T.

One of the cassettes I ordered is of the Verdi Requiem. This is
one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. I already have
three different performances of this work. The one I like best is
the Robert Shaw/Atlanta SO issue: the performance is awesome,
with sonics to match. I have a copy, recorded from a mid-range
Denon CD player to my CR-7, on TDK metal cassette (that was a
slight improvement on the Type II tape that I had made
previously).

The cassette I ordered from Telark is of the same performance,
on type II tape. I figured that, for 2 bucks, it would be
interesting to compare it to the recording of the same master,
that I made at home, from the CD to the CR-7.

Conclusion: kudos to the CR-7!!! My home recording is audibly
superiour (sonically) to this original Telark cassette. From
memory, I can state that my previous tape of the same CD, on
type II cassette, was also superiour (it was almost -- but not
quite -- as good as the metal tape).

Anyone want to buy a slightly used pre-recorded cassette of the
Verdi Requiem for $1.99?   :-).

-- Ron




El Magnifico wrote:

> Yes, these cassettes are good. Most of them sounds like a CD. I bought 20 at
> 1.99 and are transferring them to CD.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <paulkoo at comcast.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
> 
> 
> 
>>Has anyone looked at the Telarc web site www.telarc.com for the
> 
> discontinued pre-recorded cassettes that are digitally mastered using TDK
> SA?  They are selling it for $2 each.  I had ordered a few and am very
> satisfied with the quality.
> 
>>Paul
>>
>>>hi,i just seperated my digital casettes from my analog.there are those
>>>digitally mastered,and those remastered digitally from analog
>>>recordings.wondering about your experence with these two types compared
>>>to analog.Many of my analog pre-recorded tapes sound rich warm and
>>>wonderful,if slightly vieled compared to l.p..          Also looking for
>>>input on old musical heritage society  pre-recorded cassettes,as these
>>>types comprise a good part of my collection.
>>>
>>>thank you very much,
>>>gerald





From bobobozo at netzero.com  Wed Mar 10 00:39:06 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:39:06 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] tape supply
Message-ID: <20040309.153944.489.280472@webmail15.lax.untd.com>


 It is becoming obvious that the cassette tape format won't die on its
own, so it appears the tape manufacturers are cutting back.
  Stores that used to have barrels full of them, now carry only a smidgen in some far off corner.
  Does anyone know what manufacturers are going to continue to make
cassette tapes? Where can get good deals on Internet? etc. etc.
  thanks


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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 01:43:55 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:43:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEDHCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20040310004355.11935.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com>

The aren't too many chipsets around, so some players price differences still end up using the same chipset at the heart. What differs is the surrounding electronics, and the care and attention to preserving the signal ( ground, PS, components, layout..etc). BTW, any idea who could have designed Nak CD players? I am not too keen when some brands go into a variety of fields . Though it makes business sense, many a times, in doing so , they seemed to have lost focus on their core business. 
 
Bala Ganesh
Stan Targowski <stan.targowski at comcast.net> wrote:
Marc - actaully I love the AKAI. It is great for what it does. An
improvement over my previous unit - APEX, which played PAL on NTSC but only
region 0 and 1. (another brand you will never find on the same page as BMW.
(Both were less than my MIT left channel interconnect alone on the home
reference CD.)

And yes. I am not sure if I have ever seen a deck build more like "brick
outhouse" (love the phrase in the context) than 3560. Even their lesser 1560
was an awesome unit.

I think the units, $100 ones, have great digital sections, but what they
lack is the electronics to match them.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Mark Hugo
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:25 PM
To: stan.targowski at comcast.net; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


Great Post Stan,

You're right - I mean apples with apples, after all the 3560 was the
proverbial brick outhouse, although very handsome and just so good in
every way. And for $3000 it should be. Never heard those other decks
though. But you raised a chuckle with me when I consider your $70 Akai
DVD (all singing, dancing etc) against my Singer DVD which of course
does all those other formats very nicely. But a Singer for heavens
sake!!! I was expecting overlocking too!! And buttons???? Yup, got
those.......

Cheers,

Marc





>>> stan.targowski at comcast.net 02/28/04 04:56AM >>>
I am with Carlos here ... Why do you compare an e-bay, who knows what
condition it is in, $1,025 asking price player to a $100 DVD player?

My point WAS that a CDP-2A class CD player can be easily outperformed
by
current mainstream CD/DVD player. Again CDP-2A, which in my opinion
was
average to say the least.

Sure, assume that Denon 3560 was the same class, and compare its
electronics
to current crappy offerings. Denon 3560, if I can remeber right was a
$3,000
unit !!! Same for Nak CD Dragon.

OK, flame off ... Peace with everyone.

Stan

P.S. - for Audio I still use great equipment. For DVD I use $70 Akai
unit
bought in the Indian district of Chicago, so that I can watch PAL/NTSC
and
Region 0-6 movies on my NTSC TV. It can play MP3, SACD (I believe). It
cannot match my SONY ES single disc player in audio quality, but it can
play
any disc I buy around the world.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of El Magnifico
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:46 AM
To: ra.ah at rcn.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


Ron, I think you have a point there. The person who's willing to pay
this
amount for such a unit is purely a whim or as a collection thing only.
I
doubt it is simply for sound. Even a modern thing for half that price
would
sound as good as that. Even though, it is beautiful but not as
impressive as
the Turntable cousin.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fa: more deck info than you'll ever need


> salimarz wrote:
> > [....]
> > ... and this old nak should sound a bit better than $100 dvd player
...
=)
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080474475&category=14975

> >
> > cheers,
> > salim sm
> >
>
> Yea, but does it sound even remotely as good as a modern
> $1000 player?
>
> -- Ron
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar 10 05:54:01 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:54:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
References: <030120041920.8252.334d@comcast.net><000901c3fff7$2e949400$7f773242@CopyTech>
	<404DE415.9000309@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4065b$b545af10$a0773242@CopyTech>

As I said before: my home recording tapes were always superior to
pre-recorded cassettes no matter wht brand they were. As Ron, from all those
I bought, results has been mixed: some good, some fair and 2 excellent. I
discovered that unfortunately, not all were loaded in Shape Mark 10 shells.
And of course: TDK SA tape were used but to be playback with normal eq.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk


>
> Following the discussion of the Telark cassettes, I ordered 10
> of them with the intent of ordering a few more if, indeed, they
> turn out to be as good as claimed here.
>
> They arrived yesterday. I haven't listened to them all as yet,
> but did listen to some. My conclusion was that they are, indeed,
> at least better than average. At places, they are *much* better
> than average (for example, Vivaldi's Four Seasons). So far,
> though, nowhere do they sound truly G R E A T.
>
> One of the cassettes I ordered is of the Verdi Requiem. This is
> one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. I already have
> three different performances of this work. The one I like best is
> the Robert Shaw/Atlanta SO issue: the performance is awesome,
> with sonics to match. I have a copy, recorded from a mid-range
> Denon CD player to my CR-7, on TDK metal cassette (that was a
> slight improvement on the Type II tape that I had made
> previously).
>
> The cassette I ordered from Telark is of the same performance,
> on type II tape. I figured that, for 2 bucks, it would be
> interesting to compare it to the recording of the same master,
> that I made at home, from the CD to the CR-7.
>
> Conclusion: kudos to the CR-7!!! My home recording is audibly
> superiour (sonically) to this original Telark cassette. From
> memory, I can state that my previous tape of the same CD, on
> type II cassette, was also superiour (it was almost -- but not
> quite -- as good as the metal tape).
>
> Anyone want to buy a slightly used pre-recorded cassette of the
> Verdi Requiem for $1.99?   :-).
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
>
> El Magnifico wrote:
>
> > Yes, these cassettes are good. Most of them sounds like a CD. I bought
20 at
> > 1.99 and are transferring them to CD.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <paulkoo at comcast.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-recorded casette talk
> >
> >
> >
> >>Has anyone looked at the Telarc web site www.telarc.com for the
> >
> > discontinued pre-recorded cassettes that are digitally mastered using
TDK
> > SA?  They are selling it for $2 each.  I had ordered a few and am very
> > satisfied with the quality.
> >
> >>Paul
> >>
> >>>hi,i just seperated my digital casettes from my analog.there are those
> >>>digitally mastered,and those remastered digitally from analog
> >>>recordings.wondering about your experence with these two types compared
> >>>to analog.Many of my analog pre-recorded tapes sound rich warm and
> >>>wonderful,if slightly vieled compared to l.p..          Also looking
for
> >>>input on old musical heritage society  pre-recorded cassettes,as these
> >>>types comprise a good part of my collection.
> >>>
> >>>thank you very much,
> >>>gerald
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From roleo at telus.net  Wed Mar 10 02:19:36 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:19:36 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5a Manual
References: <030120041920.8252.334d@comcast.net><000901c3fff7$2e949400$7f773242@CopyTech>
	<404DE415.9000309@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4063d$c0f4fff0$6401a8c0@desktop>

Just received my CR-5 today, and from my brief listening, it sound GREAT!

Just wondered if anyone has the pdf manual for it that they could e-mail me.

If you do, please e-mail direct to me at

roleo at telus.net

Also, without opening up the deck, is it possible to tell if this is a gear driven or idler driven
deck? (Perhaps by the serial # like the CR-7)

Also, does this require the EQ upgrade as does the CR-7?

Thanx,
Roland



From fast_algorithms at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 02:39:30 2004
From: fast_algorithms at yahoo.com (Wai-Sze Tam)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:39:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] tape supply
In-Reply-To: <20040309.153944.489.280472@webmail15.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20040310013930.93864.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

    I came across World Class Tapes through the
search engine mama.com:

http://www.worldclasstapes.com/cassettes.php

    They carry TDK SA-X, SM-X, Maxell MS, and BASF
Super Chrome w/Shape Mark X (Ten)� Shell.

    I haven't tried them yet because Google directed
me to a different site which is more expensive, and I 
bought some 40 TDK SM-60 tapes from that expensive
site. I won't use Google any more.

Regards,

Wai-Sze

--- bobobozo at netzero.com wrote:
> 
>  It is becoming obvious that the cassette tape
> format won't die on its
> own, so it appears the tape manufacturers are
> cutting back.
>   Stores that used to have barrels full of them, now
> carry only a smidgen in some far off corner.
>   Does anyone know what manufacturers are going to
> continue to make
> cassette tapes? Where can get good deals on
> Internet? etc. etc.
>   thanks
> 
> 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Mar 10 07:46:03 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:46:03 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] tape supply
Message-ID: <s04ed5dd.086@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Bob, Hi,

At the risk of sending out information on this that other members have
seen a few times before would you like me to e-mail you information
cocerning current manufacturers, existing lines, and e-mail and retail
sources, direct to your e-mail address?

Don't worry about manufacturers attempting to manipulate the market;
most of them have burnt fingers to prove the futility of that.  In the
end, if theres a buck to made, they'll line up with the rest of 'em.

But fear not, there are worthwhile tapes to be had out there!!

Marc

>>> bobobozo at netzero.com 03/10/04 01:39AM >>>

 It is becoming obvious that the cassette tape format won't die on its
own, so it appears the tape manufacturers are cutting back.
  Stores that used to have barrels full of them, now carry only a
smidgen in some far off corner.
  Does anyone know what manufacturers are going to continue to make
cassette tapes? Where can get good deals on Internet? etc. etc.
  thanks


bob charlanza
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From gomez at owlhouse.org  Wed Mar 10 15:02:44 2004
From: gomez at owlhouse.org (Gomez Addams)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:02:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] dead MR-2 transport
Message-ID: <9A88EF14-729B-11D8-BDBD-0003933E677E@owlhouse.org>

  Does anyone have any experience troubleshooting logic-solenoid controls
on Naks (without the schematics or manuals) or have any idea what common
points of failure might be?

  My MR-2 mysteriously and abruptly stopped working recently.  The last
time I used it, it worked fine, the next time, nothing.  It doesn't seem
to have failed during use.  It's on well-protected power.

  Here are the symptoms: starting from the Stop state, whenever any 
transport
button is pressed (such as FF, RW, or Play) the tape twitches briefly, 
and
the transport immediately returns to the Stop state.  It will not play 
or
record or FF/RW any tape for love nor money.

  Based on the behavior, I kind of suspect a problem with the tape 
tension
sensing mechanism, ie; however it detects the end of the tape, either
through reel motor BEMF load or some mechanical sensor I haven't spotted
yet.

  Anybody got any ideas?  I know I could replace it for $40 - $150 on 
eBay,
but I don't have much money right now or for the foreseeable future.

  - Bill "Gomez" Lemieux

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Mar 10 15:45:51 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:45:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] dead MR-2 transport
In-Reply-To: <9A88EF14-729B-11D8-BDBD-0003933E677E@owlhouse.org>
References: <9A88EF14-729B-11D8-BDBD-0003933E677E@owlhouse.org>
Message-ID: <404F2A1F.5010106@rcn.com>

Gomez Addams wrote:
>  Does anyone have any experience troubleshooting logic-solenoid controls
> on Naks (without the schematics or manuals) or have any idea what common
> points of failure might be?
> 
>  My MR-2 mysteriously and abruptly stopped working recently.  The last
> time I used it, it worked fine, the next time, nothing.  It doesn't seem
> to have failed during use.  It's on well-protected power.
> 
>  Here are the symptoms: starting from the Stop state, whenever any 
> transport
> button is pressed (such as FF, RW, or Play) the tape twitches briefly, and
> the transport immediately returns to the Stop state.  It will not play or
> record or FF/RW any tape for love nor money.
> 
>  Based on the behavior, I kind of suspect a problem with the tape tension
> sensing mechanism, ie; however it detects the end of the tape, either
> through reel motor BEMF load or some mechanical sensor I haven't spotted
> yet.
> 
>  Anybody got any ideas?  I know I could replace it for $40 - $150 on eBay,
> but I don't have much money right now or for the foreseeable future.
> 
>  - Bill "Gomez" Lemieux

The EOT (End Of Tape) sensing is done inside the transport.
There is a small PCB behind the cassette well -- not easy
to get to.

What is wrong is anybody's guess. One possibility is that
the control motor has developed a dead spot and/or the
control motor leaf contacts are dirty. Then, because the
transport fails to move the tape, the EOT sensor (which is
working fine) reverts it to the STOP state within a few
seconds.

If you are familiar with the transport, you can test to
see if this is the case. Get to the rear of the transport.
After pushing PLAY, try to help the motor move the
transport to the PLAY state. Also, try spraying the
contact with a contact cleaner and gently pushing the
movable leaf against the stationary one to get some
rubbing motion. If any of this improves the situation (not
necessarily curing the problem), it's time to take the
control motor out and overhaul it.

Good luck,

-- Ron





From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 17:29:08 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:29:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] dead MR-2 transport
In-Reply-To: <9A88EF14-729B-11D8-BDBD-0003933E677E@owlhouse.org>
Message-ID: <20040310162908.14026.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>

Gomez,
Does the transport (head assembly) move up and down when going
between play & stop?  If the transport moves then you can rule out
the mode motor.  

Are the capstan shafts turning?  On the MR-1 they start turning as
soon as the deck is turned on, I'm not sure about the MR-2.  If the
capstan doesn't turn then the tape can't move.

If the mode motor and the capstan are ok then check the reel hubs. 
With the cassette door off try helping out the reel hubs in play.  If
you can get them to rotate and the deck doesn't go back into stop
mode then it's the idler motor and I will bet money that you have a
rubber idler and not the gear idler.  

Check out my web page for more info on the idler.
http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html

If that's it contact me off line and I'll get you a replacement tire.

Scott 

--- Gomez Addams <gomez at owlhouse.org> wrote:
>   Does anyone have any experience troubleshooting logic-solenoid
> controls
> on Naks (without the schematics or manuals) or have any idea what
> common
> points of failure might be?
> 
>   My MR-2 mysteriously and abruptly stopped working recently.  The
> last
> time I used it, it worked fine, the next time, nothing.  It doesn't
> seem
> to have failed during use.  It's on well-protected power.
> 
>   Here are the symptoms: starting from the Stop state, whenever any
> 
> transport
> button is pressed (such as FF, RW, or Play) the tape twitches
> briefly, 
> and
> the transport immediately returns to the Stop state.  It will not
> play 
> or
> record or FF/RW any tape for love nor money.
> 
>   Based on the behavior, I kind of suspect a problem with the tape 
> tension
> sensing mechanism, ie; however it detects the end of the tape,
> either
> through reel motor BEMF load or some mechanical sensor I haven't
> spotted
> yet.
> 
>   Anybody got any ideas?  I know I could replace it for $40 - $150
> on 
> eBay,
> but I don't have much money right now or for the foreseeable
> future.
> 
>   - Bill "Gomez" Lemieux
> 
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From fast_algorithms at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 18:04:51 2004
From: fast_algorithms at yahoo.com (Wai-Sze Tam)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:04:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Certified Nakamichi Technician
In-Reply-To: <20040309.153944.489.280472@webmail15.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20040310170451.24750.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

    Does any one know of a reputed Certified Nakamichi
Technician in the San Francisco Bay Area, California ?


Regards,

Wai-Sze

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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Wed Mar 10 18:12:35 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:12:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette to CD
Message-ID: <001c01c406c2$e1fea2c0$411a0cd0@r7g1f8>

Nak Talkers-

I'm confused.  I bought some of those wonderful Telarc cassettes too.  I think they are a bargain at twice the price.

What, however, could possibly be derived from transferring them to CD?  I have never tried tape to CD.  I must still be stuck in the analog mindset!!!

Is this being done on a PC or on a CD recorder as part of a sound system?

Your thoughts please.

Randall in Seattle
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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Wed Mar 10 18:22:37 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:22:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Certified Nakamichi Technician
In-Reply-To: <20040310170451.24750.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c406c4$497afc90$1e01000a@c994264f>

Email Kannan .. kannan_s at vsnl.com - He's close. 

We're having a NakFest this Sat. Contact me offline if you're
interested.

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Behalf Of Wai-Sze Tam
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:05 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Certified Nakamichi Technician


Hello,

    Does any one know of a reputed Certified Nakamichi Technician in the
San Francisco Bay Area, California ?


Regards,

Wai-Sze

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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Wed Mar 10 18:36:34 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:36:34 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Bay Area NakFest This Saturday
In-Reply-To: <20040310162908.14026.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c406c6$3bbf4aa0$1e01000a@c994264f>

To All: We are excited to create the Bay Area NakTalk Marathon (though
it will be created in one location by a group of Nakkers) this Saturday.


Listed below are the attendees who will bring great music to create this
wonderful tape. Carlos was kind to volunteer some time out of his
schedule to duplicate our efforts onto CD. 

If any of you have any particular artist or music genre request, let us
know, since this effort is for the Nak community. 
 
Robert - the host, with a hundred pounds or so full of Nak decks and
other audio gear / great music
Fuad - 700zxe / CA-5 / SPC-1 / great music 
Kannan - Multimeter / great music / 582?
Jim - AKG cans / ICs / Reference CD player / great music 
Mike - HeadRoom Max / HD-600 Cardas / ICs / SACD player / great music 
Ti - TDK MA-XG master recording tape / great music 
Paul - CR-7A / great music

Any other SF Bay Area locals, please RSVP Robert Kent as soon as
possible. So that we can accommodate the attendees. 




From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar 10 21:21:36 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:21:36 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette to CD
In-Reply-To: <001c01c406c2$e1fea2c0$411a0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <000001c406dd$49beda00$29d7883e@oemcomputer>

Randall

Don't forget not everyone have cassette players in their cars - some have
only CD/radios.  So, for them, the idea of transferring from tape to CD for
replay in the car makes sense.

Graham
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Of Babin/Greseth
  Sent: 10 March 2004 17:13
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: [naktalk] Cassette to CD


  Nak Talkers-

  I'm confused.  I bought some of those wonderful Telarc cassettes too.  I
think they are a bargain at twice the price.

  What, however, could possibly be derived from transferring them to CD?  I
have never tried tape to CD.  I must still be stuck in the analog mindset!!!

  Is this being done on a PC or on a CD recorder as part of a sound system?

  Your thoughts please.

  Randall in Seattle
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Wed Mar 10 22:39:10 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:39:10 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] weird auto-reverse deck
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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Wed Mar 10 22:31:42 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:31:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette to CD
In-Reply-To: <001c01c406c2$e1fea2c0$411a0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040310223142.013969d8@mail.sireconnect.de>

Hi there,



At 09:12 10.03.2004 -0800, you wrote:

>What, however, could possibly be derived from transferring them to CD?

Well, something that sometimes sounds better than a professionally mastered
CD, something you can listen to without fear of abrasion, something you can
rather easily duplicate, something you can lend without fear it gets stuck
and tangled in your bud's inferior hardware, something you can play without
fear it gets eaten by your aging hardware, something you can play at your
10 years younger girlfriend's place ... :o)

>   Nak Talkers-      a bargain at twice the  price.      I must still  be
>stuck in the analog mindset!!!   Is this being done on a PC or on a CD
>recorder as part  of a sound system?   Your thoughts please.   Randall in
>Seattle

That depends. Mainly on your components. You generally can go with your
tape output into a soundcard line input on your PC. Advantages: On good
soundcards you can sample with up to 96 kHz sampling frequency and then
downsample, which can be sonically superior to sampling directly with the
target frequency of a CD (44,1 kHz), especially if you want to fiddle with
the resulting wave files before downsampling and burning to cd (like
reducing hiss or hum, applying EQ et cetera).
The advantage of using a HiFi CD recorder (if you own such a beast, that
obviously is) might be less noise of the components (a PC isn't exactly
High End in that respect), so generally superior hardware aimed at and
optimized for HiFi. Obviously, no or at least less opportunities to work on
the outcome, also no possibility of archiving *truly* lossless (as wave
file), because audio CDs have no CRC (they use "oversampling" which is
techspeak for "guessing" to fill errors).

Then, in the end, your ears decide.

'nuff thought for now, regards, joerg


From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Wed Mar 10 23:03:52 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:03:52 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette to CD
References: <000001c406dd$49beda00$29d7883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002001c406eb$92f30da0$fd1a0cd0@r7g1f8>

Thanks for the heads up.  I'm in the analog ages!!!

Randall
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gimli 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:21 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette to CD


  Randall

  Don't forget not everyone have cassette players in their cars - some have only CD/radios.  So, for them, the idea of transferring from tape to CD for replay in the car makes sense.

  Graham
    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Babin/Greseth
    Sent: 10 March 2004 17:13
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: [naktalk] Cassette to CD


    Nak Talkers-

    I'm confused.  I bought some of those wonderful Telarc cassettes too.  I think they are a bargain at twice the price.

    What, however, could possibly be derived from transferring them to CD?  I have never tried tape to CD.  I must still be stuck in the analog mindset!!!

    Is this being done on a PC or on a CD recorder as part of a sound system?

    Your thoughts please.

    Randall in Seattle


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From Paulkoo at comcast.net  Thu Mar 11 00:23:51 2004
From: Paulkoo at comcast.net (Paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:23:51 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Certified Nakamichi Technician
Message-ID: <031020042323.7682.6725@comcast.net>

I used Adam Liberman at Liberman Sound in El Cerrito.  He does not have the quickest turnaround but he is very complete and precise with repairs and calibration.  The hourly rate is $110 per hour.
> Hello,
> 
>     Does any one know of a reputed Certified Nakamichi
> Technician in the San Francisco Bay Area, California ?
> 
> 
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Mar 11 01:03:42 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:03:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] bay area NakFet This saturday
Message-ID: <1291-404FACDE-734@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

Request blue Note jazz.Once had the Sonny Rollins L.P. side One track
One.Greatest!  OR     request percussion(exotic drums,woodblocks,"rain
and water" sounds[like daffos]).please let me know where and when to
send the money order .i can hardly wait!

thank you very much,
gerald



From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Mar 11 05:19:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:19:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Bay Area NakFest This Saturday
References: <000901c406c6$3bbf4aa0$1e01000a@c994264f>
Message-ID: <001401c40720$079e9dc0$28773242@CopyTech>

All the best guys !

Carlos

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To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Bay Area NakFest This Saturday


> To All: We are excited to create the Bay Area NakTalk Marathon (though
> it will be created in one location by a group of Nakkers) this Saturday.
>
>
> Listed below are the attendees who will bring great music to create this
> wonderful tape. Carlos was kind to volunteer some time out of his
> schedule to duplicate our efforts onto CD.
>
> If any of you have any particular artist or music genre request, let us
> know, since this effort is for the Nak community.
>
> Robert - the host, with a hundred pounds or so full of Nak decks and
> other audio gear / great music
> Fuad - 700zxe / CA-5 / SPC-1 / great music
> Kannan - Multimeter / great music / 582?
> Jim - AKG cans / ICs / Reference CD player / great music
> Mike - HeadRoom Max / HD-600 Cardas / ICs / SACD player / great music
> Ti - TDK MA-XG master recording tape / great music
> Paul - CR-7A / great music
>
> Any other SF Bay Area locals, please RSVP Robert Kent as soon as
> possible. So that we can accommodate the attendees.
>
>
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Mar 11 01:44:39 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:44:39 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5a Manual
Message-ID: <6bf219c6becdc0.6becdc06bf219c@vsnl.net>

Hi Roland
Do you want the Cr 5 user manual or service manual. CR 7 user manual has CR-5 part as well and I have a copy of that PDf downloaded from Nak FTP site. It is a 7 mb file and let me know whether that size file can sent to your email box? 
The gear drive can be seen from top by removing the top cover of the Cr 5 and peeping through the top gap between the black front covering plate and the back mechanism plate- you may need a torch to look into. The gear drive makes a distinctive sound if you had experienced it already?
I doubt any Cr 5 got the gear upgrade? but it does not require any record equalization correction on its record circuit!
 hope this info helps
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Roland Alford <roleo at telus.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2004 5:19 pm
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5a Manual

> Just received my CR-5 today, and from my brief listening, it sound 
> GREAT!
> Just wondered if anyone has the pdf manual for it that they could 
> e-mail me.
> 
> If you do, please e-mail direct to me at
> 
> roleo at telus.net
> 
> Also, without opening up the deck, is it possible to tell if this 
> is a gear driven or idler driven
> deck? (Perhaps by the serial # like the CR-7)
> 
> Also, does this require the EQ upgrade as does the CR-7?
> 
> Thanx,
> Roland
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Mar 11 08:41:55 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:41:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette to CD
Message-ID: <s050346a.005@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Randall,

I have been thinking that for many with new cars that only have CD
changers/front loaders, transferring analogue to CD format makes some
sense.  Also if you have a CD changer at home, it could be handy too. 
Of course, you could be sharing the music with a friend (but of course
we never do that!!!!!).

Cheers,

Marc

>>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 03/10/04 07:12PM >>>
Nak Talkers-

I'm confused.  I bought some of those wonderful Telarc cassettes too. 
I think they are a bargain at twice the price.

What, however, could possibly be derived from transferring them to CD? 
I have never tried tape to CD.  I must still be stuck in the analog
mindset!!!

Is this being done on a PC or on a CD recorder as part of a sound
system?

Your thoughts please.

Randall in Seattle

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Mar 11 10:11:26 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:11:26 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] weird auto-reverse deck
References: <20649928@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
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looks similar to the akai auto reverse head mechanism
p
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:26 PM
Subject: [naktalk] weird auto-reverse deck


> Hi all,
> anyone familiar with those old Luxman deck:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3083796371&category=4784
>
> >From the pictures it appears to have a pivoting playback head for
auto-reverse.
> How did this mechanism work compared to other Nak solutions? This is
clearly a
> post-Alpine model, but hey, I've an Alpine 7618 that's outlasted 2 cars.
>
> I'm not interested in buying this deck. Too much fiddley mechanics and
that
> seller looks awful. But I am intrigued by the device and wonder about it's
> performance.
>
> Any ideas?
>
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From wjw at warwick.net  Thu Mar 11 12:28:40 2004
From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 06:28:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette to CD
References: <s050346a.005@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <40504D68.D8DEDCE@warwick.net>

      It can be done either way, Randall- but using a good soundcard and computer software
will undoubtably give you the better sounding CD, because it will allow you to remove some
tape hiss if necessary, maximize your volume levels, and a variety of many other things.
   I believe that both Philips (who was the 1st) and Sony make stand alone recorders that
will take analog sources and burn them to CD and can hook right into your sound system.  But
I'm not familiar with the quality of the results, as I've never used them.
     There are computer softwares, such as Soundforge or Cool Edit, that will cost you a
little, or a lot, depending on the version- and you also need a good soundcard to get the
best results.
     I've been using Soundforge for a while now, and it's an excellent software.  The 4.5
version, if you can still find it, would be suitable and cheaper than their latest version.
There's also an extra Noise Reduction plug-in that's really necessary to get the best
results, especially if doing LP transfers.
     There may be freeware out there by now that does a good job.
A little time on the Net should yield good results as to what's out there in the way of less
expensive or free software, and signing up to some message boards where people discuss
analog-digital transfer should also yield some good tips and info.
                                               Bill



>
> Randall wrote:
>
> I'm confused.  I bought some of those wonderful Telarc cassettes too.
> I think they are a bargain at twice the price.
>
> What, however, could possibly be derived from transferring them to CD?
> I have never tried tape to CD.  I must still be stuck in the analog
> mindset!!!
>
> Is this being done on a PC or on a CD recorder as part of a sound
> system?
>
> Your thoughts please.
>
> Randall in Seattle
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Thu Mar 11 18:39:07 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:39:07 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Don't torch your Nak
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From LOPNOLA at aol.com  Thu Mar 11 23:33:25 2004
From: LOPNOLA at aol.com (LOPNOLA at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:33:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape supply
Message-ID: <19482636.0112A61F.0016D5E1@aol.com>

Bob, Try www.arcal.com.

They are reasonable and the service is good.  Also, the people are nice.  They also have CD supplies if you need them, but usually I use CDDimensions (www.cddimensions.com) for that.

Good Luck

Larry Phillips
The Electrice Ear
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Mar 13 19:38:29 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:38:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] News
Message-ID: <004601c4092a$617069d0$1b773242@CopyTech>

Hello Fellows:

The final copy of the Marathon Tape project was mail today to Wouter Heijke
as the closing finale to this wonderful collective effort. Unfortunately,
those who never replied, lost the opportunity to hold one of these sets. No
more would be made.

The next Marathon Project, would start as soon as every one interested
record a selection in a Chrome tape, this time with Dolby B, and send it to
me for final compilation. We have concluded that this way is safer, faster
and cheaper. Date for submission of materials would be announce later.

Today, the guys in the Bay Area of San Francisco are conducting their
Marathon Tape version and this one will also be distribute to those
interested. Ti Kan, Robert Kent and Mike deVera are in charge of this
project. Contact them for details.

Mr. Bleus has notified me that he has done an special edition version of the
Marathon Tape in a 100 minutes cassette that includes 3 extra selections
from Kannan. The set includes a beautiful jcard art and information. Those
interested contact Mr. Bleus direct for further arrangements. This is
wonderful as I already made my tape and reel to reel version of the project
itself.

Those are the news. See ya' later.

Carlos








From BADANTH at aol.com  Sat Mar 13 15:37:13 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:37:13 EST
Subject: [naktalk] News
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Thanks again for a job well done!

Anthony
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From ktl at bornet.net  Sat Mar 13 16:52:36 2004
From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:52:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 481 Repair.
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Hello
I have problems with my 481, so I would need some sort of schematic and
possible translation to equivalent semiconductors.
There is one transistor burned out. Its labeled Q413 on the PCB, anyone that
have a repairmanual or schematic, i would be grateful.


With best regards

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Mar 13 17:22:07 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:22:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] News
References: <004601c4092a$617069d0$1b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <007901c40917$54ddb410$ed220f9d@johnnyrotten>

Great Carlos, many thanks.

John T.
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Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 1:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] News


Hello Fellows:

The final copy of the Marathon Tape project was mail today to Wouter Heijke
as the closing finale to this wonderful collective effort. Unfortunately,
those who never replied, lost the opportunity to hold one of these sets. No
more would be made.

The next Marathon Project, would start as soon as every one interested
record a selection in a Chrome tape, this time with Dolby B, and send it to
me for final compilation. We have concluded that this way is safer, faster
and cheaper. Date for submission of materials would be announce later.

Today, the guys in the Bay Area of San Francisco are conducting their
Marathon Tape version and this one will also be distribute to those
interested. Ti Kan, Robert Kent and Mike deVera are in charge of this
project. Contact them for details.

Mr. Bleus has notified me that he has done an special edition version of the
Marathon Tape in a 100 minutes cassette that includes 3 extra selections
from Kannan. The set includes a beautiful jcard art and information. Those
interested contact Mr. Bleus direct for further arrangements. This is
wonderful as I already made my tape and reel to reel version of the project
itself.

Those are the news. See ya' later.

Carlos






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From timbarrett at cox.net  Sat Mar 13 17:31:59 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:31:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 481 Repair.
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Tomas -

Q413 is a 2SD471 and is responsible for pulling one end of the Reel Motor to ground during Fast 
Forward.  During Rewind this same end of the motor is pulled to 24V by Q402.  The other side of the 
motor is always tied to 12V.

Since each of these transistors bears the full current of the motor during Fast Forward and Rewind, 
you'd be wise to check the condition of the motor; it may be the root cause of the problem.

I have a full PDF of the 481 manual if you want a copy (4.5 meg, I don't think it's emailable) or I can 
send the pertinent page of the schematic if you would like it.  Contact me off-list.

Tim

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> Hello
> I have problems with my 481, so I would need some sort of schematic
> and possible translation to equivalent semiconductors. There is one
> transistor burned out. Its labeled Q413 on the PCB, anyone that have a
> repairmanual or schematic, i would be grateful.
> 
> 
> With best regards
> 
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Sat Mar 13 23:41:46 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:41:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] mic naks
Message-ID: <20746331@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From lists at richardhess.com  Sun Mar 14 01:25:30 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:25:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] mic naks
In-Reply-To: <20746331@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040313154559.03e3ef28@127.0.0.1>

At 02:28 PM 3/13/2004 -0800, Fred Lifton wrote:
>Hello all,
>Looking through Naks.com, it looks like the only non-portable Naks with mic
>inputs are the 700 and 1000 series. Is that right? What, then, is the best way
>to get mic input into a Nak? A simple adapter or is there more to it.
>Ignorantly,
>Fred


Hello, Fred,

To get a mic into a Nak or any device with line-level inputs, you need a 
microphone preamplifier.

This is the subject of much discussion in places like rec.audio.pro.

If you want to use two mics, you'll need two mic preamps...but often if you 
use more than two mics, you'll need/want a mic mixer.

This is also the subject of much discussion in places like rec.audio.pro.

A small Spirit by Soundcraft mixer (I have a Folio Notepad with four mic 
inputs http://www.soundcraft.com/product_sheet.asp?product_id=1 ) or a 
small Mackie mixer (I have a 1604-VLZ) might serve you well, although there 
are people who say the Mackies don't sound that good (I haven't noticed 
that, honestly, if you keep the levels within reason).

If I was buying today, I'd probably get the Mackie 1402-VLZ-PRO
http://www.mackie.com/products/1402vlzpro/index.html

For a two-mic and some line solution, the Compact-4 from Soundcraft, which 
is brand new, looks interesting, but I haven't had my hands on one. I don't 
see a way to sub mic inputs for line inputs, sadly, even though it looks 
modular.

It has six mic inputs.

You will need to understand the gain structure to avoid internal noise or 
overload, but after that, it's pretty simple to run a mixer. They're very 
flexible. The two I mentioned also provide 48V "Phantom" power to power 
condenser microphones.

Good luck!

Richard




From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Mar 15 01:44:11 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:44:11 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Akai Reference Master GX-95 
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040313154559.03e3ef28@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <000001c40a26$a212e9c0$e0de4c51@oemcomputer>

Spotted some rave reviews for this deck, including one where the owner
claimed it bettered his CR7!

Anyone know this machine?  Are they any good??  I see they sell quite cheap.

Gra'

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Mar 15 09:39:09 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:39:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Akai Reference Master GX-95
Message-ID: <s05587d0.013@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Gra'

The GX-95 RM and GX-95 II RM are reputedly excellent machines, and have
discrete three head layouts, dual cap etc. They also feature the
controversial GX ferrite layered heads which from what I could
understand was an extremely hard synthetic glass-like crystal.  The
effect of this layering was to protect the head from wear, and I
suppose, the development of any head originated ferric corrosion.  It
possibly would also lessen the adherence of accumulated oxide particles
and dirt.  But the long, and indeed, for all practical purposes,
unlimited life of the head was the main attractive feature.

Also, reading between the lines a bit, this head design which was used
in all the better Akais for years was their own version of Pioneer's
"X-Tal" treated heads used in their CT-F1000 and CT-F1250.  Later
Pioneer used only hard permalloy heads and occasionally (such as in
their 1984-86 CT-7A and CT-9A) a ribbon sendust design.

The main downside of acquiring one of these machines is that Akai went
belly-up some years ago and parts don't appear to be availble.

I have heard that very deep bass without significant head-bumps (such
as thatr experienced on 3-head Naks) was not possible with these decks,
but have no first hand knowledge of that aspect.

There is a member on this list with a GX-8 which is a similar (slightly
earlier - 1988>) machine, but without the discrete heads and with dbx. 
Otherwise, it's a very elegant and apparently competent deck.

Cheers,

Marc




>>> gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 03/15/04 02:44AM >>>
Spotted some rave reviews for this deck, including one where the owner
claimed it bettered his CR7!

Anyone know this machine?  Are they any good??  I see they sell quite
cheap.

Gra'

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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Mar 15 14:03:14 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:03:14 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Akai Reference Master GX-95
References: <s05587d0.013@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000e01c40a8d$e0c83460$8e299bca@aisha>


Either Misha or Matyas experimented with this long time ago and mentioned
that distortion creeps in significantly earlier with Akai G&X head compared
to Naks.  Both Akai & Pioneer (also Revox !) used a 'sandwich' RP head
instead of completely discrete ones.  The G&X looks indestructible though.

Gra', since you live in the land of Arcam, why don't you hunt for that rare
Delta (?) deck ?  I read the designer aimed to improve upon Nak sound
quality - and very proud of the result !

Cheers,
Salim SM


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To: naktalk at naks.com ; gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai Reference Master GX-95


Hi Gra'

The GX-95 RM and GX-95 II RM are reputedly excellent machines, and have
discrete three head layouts, dual cap etc. They also feature the
controversial GX ferrite layered heads which from what I could
understand was an extremely hard synthetic glass-like crystal.  The
effect of this layering was to protect the head from wear, and I
suppose, the development of any head originated ferric corrosion.  It
possibly would also lessen the adherence of accumulated oxide particles
and dirt.  But the long, and indeed, for all practical purposes,
unlimited life of the head was the main attractive feature.





From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Mon Mar 15 19:16:58 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:16:58 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] 2-head Naks
Message-ID: <20780238@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Mar 15 19:42:34 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:42:34 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers' meet
Message-ID: <72d1d4672d07fd.72d07fd72d1d46@vsnl.net>

I expected somebody else would post a glimpse about this meet ? Since nobody had done it; let me take this opportunity to give all a glimpse of last saturday meet! 7 naktalkers  Paul/ Jim/Mike / Ti / kannan/ Faud and Robert attended the meet and we taped 74 min of music using Robert' CR7 as the main recording machine. The sources were CD Transport/ DA seperates of Jim as well as Mike' Sony SACD player. The tracks included a special track for Gerald- selecetd by Robert.  We also recorded one track using standard power chord and the same track with a special powerchord brought by Jim. So guys who are going to get this tape or CD; check out the difference! Infact Robert felt that he could hear a significant improvement with Jim' power chord! Mike/ Ti and Robert - team would send the master to Carlos, while some photos and details will be posted through  Bleus website( as I heard)- So waite for more info.
Faud brought his CR 7 and 700ZXE while Ti khan had brought his Dragon which we used later to listen to the master tape after the recording. 
The photos will show the impressive 700ZXE ! It is definitely an eye catcher among the Naks!
There were some demonstrations by Jim to show differences in his Cd player with a special power chord that he sells. We tried to guess whether Paul' CR 7 had gear mod done without opening its covers and we were succesful comparing the sound of his with Faud'! Fortunately Paul' Cr 7 had the gear mod already done while Fuad' definitely needed a gear mod upgrade. I had tried to show how Ti khan' Dragon calibration is accurate with my Fluke' Graphical Multimeter.  We spent good amount of time getting to know each other as well seeing Robert' house around.  Robert' great looking house was a nice venue for such an occasion - we are all thankful to him for his generous offer of hosting it! We also auditioned his newly acquired speaker pair! We generally chatted in the evening about SF hi end Audio shops of the past/ present - Mike Paul and Jim were old Sanfrancisco residents and could easily relate to their experiences with audio related shops salesmen etc. Oh this was a good fun t
hrough out - wish we could have spent more time. when I reached home it was 10.30 PM.
wait and see/ hear more!
Thanks Wouter once again for bringing this group together ! Thanks to Carlos and Bleus to help us pass our experiences to others in this Group!
Thanks for Mike in this idea of a meet in the bay area!
kannan



From mdevera at compuserve.com  Mon Mar 15 20:27:35 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (mdevera at compuserve.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:27:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
	meet
Message-ID: <191690-22004311519273538@M2W071.mail2web.com>

Kannan, I was pressed into labor as soon as I stepped in after our dinner,
and there was a server crash on early Sunday morning at a client;'s site -
very late hours there.

I need to gather all the photos, and I have my notes on the recording
session. So far Bob email me his, and I still need Ti and Fuad photos.

I've been swamped to say the least. I've been meaning to post something
worhwhile, and I will ...

Mike

Original Message:
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:42:34 -0800
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Mar 16 00:52:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:52:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
	/Naktalkers'meet
References: <191690-22004311519273538@M2W071.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <002501c40ae8$98fa08b0$b0773242@CopyTech>

Congratulations for a job well done, specially getting together to meet each
other is even better and impressive. I just hope that one of these days we
could make an "international" meeting somewhere.

I'm looking forward to receive the master.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mdevera at compuserve.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
/Naktalkers'meet


> Kannan, I was pressed into labor as soon as I stepped in after our dinner,
> and there was a server crash on early Sunday morning at a client;'s site -
> very late hours there.
>
> I need to gather all the photos, and I have my notes on the recording
> session. So far Bob email me his, and I still need Ti and Fuad photos.
>
> I've been swamped to say the least. I've been meaning to post something
> worhwhile, and I will ...
>
> Mike
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:42:34 -0800
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Mar 15 22:02:34 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:02:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
	meet
In-Reply-To: <72d1d4672d07fd.72d07fd72d1d46@vsnl.net>
References: <72d1d4672d07fd.72d07fd72d1d46@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <405619EA.4090700@xs4all.nl>

No Thanks!
Just great to hear you guys having a good time, wish i could have been 
around to join, specially San Francisco which is one of my favorite 
towns around, been there many times visiting my friends and strolling 
around record stores on Haight St. (Amoeba!) and other places!

Wouter

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:

>I expected somebody else would post a glimpse about this meet ? Since nobody had done it; let me take this opportunity to give all a glimpse of last saturday meet! 7 naktalkers  Paul/ Jim/Mike / Ti / kannan/ Faud and Robert attended the meet and we taped 74 min of music using Robert' CR7 as the main recording machine. The sources were CD Transport/ DA seperates of Jim as well as Mike' Sony SACD player. The tracks included a special track for Gerald- selecetd by Robert.  We also recorded one track using standard power chord and the same track with a special powerchord brought by Jim. So guys who are going to get this tape or CD; check out the difference! Infact Robert felt that he could hear a significant improvement with Jim' power chord! Mike/ Ti and Robert - team would send the master to Carlos, while some photos and details will be posted through  Bleus website( as I heard)- So waite for more info.
>Faud brought his CR 7 and 700ZXE while Ti khan had brought his Dragon which we used later to listen to the master tape after the recording. 
>The photos will show the impressive 700ZXE ! It is definitely an eye catcher among the Naks!
>There were some demonstrations by Jim to show differences in his Cd player with a special power chord that he sells. We tried to guess whether Paul' CR 7 had gear mod done without opening its covers and we were succesful comparing the sound of his with Faud'! Fortunately Paul' Cr 7 had the gear mod already done while Fuad' definitely needed a gear mod upgrade. I had tried to show how Ti khan' Dragon calibration is accurate with my Fluke' Graphical Multimeter.  We spent good amount of time getting to know each other as well seeing Robert' house around.  Robert' great looking house was a nice venue for such an occasion - we are all thankful to him for his generous offer of hosting it! We also auditioned his newly acquired speaker pair! We generally chatted in the evening about SF hi end Audio shops of the past/ present - Mike Paul and Jim were old Sanfrancisco residents and could easily relate to their experiences with audio related shops salesmen etc. Oh this was a good fun t
>hrough out - wish we could have spent more time. when I reached home it was 10.30 PM.
>wait and see/ hear more!
>Thanks Wouter once again for bringing this group together ! Thanks to Carlos and Bleus to help us pass our experiences to others in this Group!
>Thanks for Mike in this idea of a meet in the bay area!
>kannan
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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Mon Mar 15 22:31:02 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (mdevera at compuserve.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:31:02 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
	/Naktalkers'meet
Message-ID: <39020-22004311521312888@M2W093.mail2web.com>

Wouter, call us and we'll take you to your heart's desire. S.F., Berkeley,
San Jose, Mill Valley - Amoeba, Rasputin's, Grooves, Starlight, Analog
Room, Flat Plastic Sound, Jazz Quarter, Big Al's, Recycled, Village. 

Yes, call it a vinyl renaissance in the Bay Area.
     

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Wouter Heijke wheijke at xs4all.nl
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:02:34 +0100
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
/Naktalkers'meet


 
No Thanks!
Just great to hear you guys having a good time, wish i could have been 
around to join, specially San Francisco which is one of my favorite 
towns around, been there many times visiting my friends and strolling 
around record stores on Haight St. (Amoeba!) and other places!

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From ti at amb.org  Mon Mar 15 23:59:12 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:59:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
	meet
In-Reply-To: <72d1d4672d07fd.72d07fd72d1d46@vsnl.net> from "kannan_s@vsnl.com"
	at Mar 15, 2004 10:42:34 AM
Message-ID: <200403152259.WAA22419@amb.org>

Hi all,

Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape ready.

To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:

	http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/

These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
different site.

The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
stage.

Have fun!

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6


From ti at amb.org  Tue Mar 16 00:37:35 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:37:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
In-Reply-To: <200403152259.WAA22419@amb.org> from "Ti Kan" at Mar 15,
	2004 02:59:12 PM
Message-ID: <200403152337.XAA22646@amb.org>

Sorry about the lack of captions to the pictures, I threw the pics
up quickly so you can all have a look.

The group photo "dsc00768.jpg" is as follows:

Standing from left to right:
Kannan S., Paul Koo, Faud "compudude", Mike deVera, Robert Kent, Ti Kan
Sitting: Jim Volpatti

Looking at the pictures I realized that I should have taken more
of the people rather than the equipment.  Hopefully the other
cameras there will fill in the gaps.

Many thanks to Robert for hosting this event.  Your beautiful and
expansive house is perfect for this gathering.  Thanks to Mike deVera
for creating this event, and being a good "traffic cop" to keep our
mini marathon tape session going smoothly.  Thanks to all who came,
it was a joy meeting all of you and it was great seeing all of the
cool NakGear and other equipment that you brought.

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6

I wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
> the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape ready.
> 
> To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:
> 
> 	http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/
> 
> These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
> other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
> different site.
> 
> The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
> stage.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> -Ti



From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Mar 16 06:12:45 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:12:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
	/Naktalkers'meet
References: <200403152259.WAA22419@amb.org>
Message-ID: <002f01c40b15$5150b900$0d363242@CopyTech>

Thank you, Ti. I already printed my glossy photo of all of you to be hang in
my mastering suite. The photo would be call: "Nations United by Music".

Now seriously: we need to plan an international meeting and I offer Puerto
Rico as the place to meet, unless somebody else has any other proposition.
That would be a great excuse for vacations.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
/Naktalkers'meet


> Hi all,
>
> Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
> the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape ready.
>
> To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:
>
> http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/
>
> These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
> other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
> different site.
>
> The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
> stage.
>
> Have fun!
>
> -Ti
> -- 
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Mar 16 02:27:03 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:27:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
References: <200403152337.XAA22646@amb.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c40af5$ca12c6f0$93220f9d@johnnyrotten>

The speakers, what are the speakers! ;-) KEF's?

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'


Sorry about the lack of captions to the pictures, I threw the pics
up quickly so you can all have a look.

The group photo "dsc00768.jpg" is as follows:

Standing from left to right:
Kannan S., Paul Koo, Faud "compudude", Mike deVera, Robert Kent, Ti Kan
Sitting: Jim Volpatti

Looking at the pictures I realized that I should have taken more
of the people rather than the equipment.  Hopefully the other
cameras there will fill in the gaps.

Many thanks to Robert for hosting this event.  Your beautiful and
expansive house is perfect for this gathering.  Thanks to Mike deVera
for creating this event, and being a good "traffic cop" to keep our
mini marathon tape session going smoothly.  Thanks to all who came,
it was a joy meeting all of you and it was great seeing all of the
cool NakGear and other equipment that you brought.

-Ti
--
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6

I wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
> the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape ready.
>
> To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:
>
> http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/
>
> These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
> other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
> different site.
>
> The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
> stage.
>
> Have fun!
>
> -Ti

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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Mar 16 04:07:43 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:07:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
References: <200403152337.XAA22646@amb.org>
Message-ID: <002d01c40b03$dd439de0$9a6723c8@g8nsv>

What a great idea come true this was....
Simply excellent!!!!
I have to congratulate all you people who were part of this.....
Well done guys!!!

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'


> Sorry about the lack of captions to the pictures, I threw the pics
> up quickly so you can all have a look.
>
> The group photo "dsc00768.jpg" is as follows:
>
> Standing from left to right:
> Kannan S., Paul Koo, Faud "compudude", Mike deVera, Robert Kent, Ti Kan
> Sitting: Jim Volpatti
>
> Looking at the pictures I realized that I should have taken more
> of the people rather than the equipment.  Hopefully the other
> cameras there will fill in the gaps.
>
> Many thanks to Robert for hosting this event.  Your beautiful and
> expansive house is perfect for this gathering.  Thanks to Mike deVera
> for creating this event, and being a good "traffic cop" to keep our
> mini marathon tape session going smoothly.  Thanks to all who came,
> it was a joy meeting all of you and it was great seeing all of the
> cool NakGear and other equipment that you brought.
>
> -Ti
> --
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
>
> I wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
> > the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape
ready.
> >
> > To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:
> >
> > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/
> >
> > These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
> > other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
> > different site.
> >
> > The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
> > stage.
> >
> > Have fun!
> >
> > -Ti
>
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Mar 16 04:11:17 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:11:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping/Naktalkers'meet
References: <200403152259.WAA22419@amb.org>
	<002f01c40b15$5150b900$0d363242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <003501c40b04$5cae0660$9a6723c8@g8nsv>

Great idea Carlos!!!!

I would really enjoy visiting Puerto Rico.....

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon
taping/Naktalkers'meet


> Thank you, Ti. I already printed my glossy photo of all of you to be hang
in
> my mastering suite. The photo would be call: "Nations United by Music".
>
> Now seriously: we need to plan an international meeting and I offer Puerto
> Rico as the place to meet, unless somebody else has any other proposition.
> That would be a great excuse for vacations.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
> /Naktalkers'meet
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
> > the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape
ready.
> >
> > To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:
> >
> > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/
> >
> > These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
> > other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
> > different site.
> >
> > The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
> > stage.
> >
> > Have fun!
> >
> > -Ti
> > --
> >  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
> >  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
> >    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
> >    2 4 6
> >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 16 04:14:34 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:14:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
Message-ID: <BAY2-F32Gvr3DpxB9xw00043fc3@hotmail.com>

YES!

But what about us guys here in NYC??


>From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping 
>/Naktalkers'
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:07:43 -0400
>
>What a great idea come true this was....
>Simply excellent!!!!
>I have to congratulate all you people who were part of this.....
>Well done guys!!!
>
>Isy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping 
>/Naktalkers'
>
>
> > Sorry about the lack of captions to the pictures, I threw the pics
> > up quickly so you can all have a look.
> >
> > The group photo "dsc00768.jpg" is as follows:
> >
> > Standing from left to right:
> > Kannan S., Paul Koo, Faud "compudude", Mike deVera, Robert Kent, Ti Kan
> > Sitting: Jim Volpatti
> >
> > Looking at the pictures I realized that I should have taken more
> > of the people rather than the equipment.  Hopefully the other
> > cameras there will fill in the gaps.
> >
> > Many thanks to Robert for hosting this event.  Your beautiful and
> > expansive house is perfect for this gathering.  Thanks to Mike deVera
> > for creating this event, and being a good "traffic cop" to keep our
> > mini marathon tape session going smoothly.  Thanks to all who came,
> > it was a joy meeting all of you and it was great seeing all of the
> > cool NakGear and other equipment that you brought.
> >
> > -Ti
> > --
> >  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
> >  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
> >    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
> >    2 4 6
> >
> > I wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
> > > the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape
>ready.
> > >
> > > To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:
> > >
> > > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/
> > >
> > > These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
> > > other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
> > > different site.
> > >
> > > The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
> > > stage.
> > >
> > > Have fun!
> > >
> > > -Ti
> >
> > 
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Tue Mar 16 05:45:11 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:45:11 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Nakathon
Message-ID: <002601c40b11$778c27c0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hello from the San Francisco Area.  As mentioned in some prior posts by Kannan, Ti, and Mike, our Mini-Marathon meeting was a great success.  I want to thank all the guests to my house (Kannan, Ti Kan, Mike deVera, Jim Volpati, Fuad, Paul Koo) for all their contributions, and for a great educational experience for me personally..as probably the least technically accomplished participant.

 

The meeting lasted from about 11:00am to about 9:00pm.  We had a great gathering of Nakamichi hardware (probably 14 decks or so).  We also had the opportunity to drool over some other high end gear brought along by Jim and Mike.  Kannan gave us a tutorial on the use of a scopemeter for adjusting a Dragon..how cool!

 

The Mini-Marathon tape is wonderfull!  It doesn't have quite the international flavor as the original marathon project, but the variety is good never the less.  If you enjoyed the first one, you will enjoy this one as well.  I am just finishing up a few master copies for our participants (thanks to Kannan for donating the TDK MA-XG tapes for each of us!!!).  As soon as our copies are done, I will mail the master to Carlos for pressing...Carlos, please send me your mailing address in PR again...I seem to have misplaced it.

 

Mike deVera has the track list, and will send that to El Magnifico also.

 

For Gerald..I included one track of serious percussion...enjoy.

 

John T.  ..the new speakers we used for auditioning our marathon project are Audes 037.1 floor standers.  They are made in Estonia, and although I have had them only for a few weeks now, I find them clean over the full range, plenty of base, and easy to listen to on most source material.  We had one selection that came through a little harsh.  The build quality is very good.  Here is a link to their site:

http://www.audes.ee/?id=1179

 

Of course for mastering, we used some Sennheiser HD-600s and Mikes Headroom Max headamp.  As Kannan mentioned, we sourced our selections on CD and SACD from Jim's (Resolution Audio) and Mike's (Sony SACD) gorgeous players onto my CR-7A which was fairly recently overhauled and calibrated at ESL.  Our master sound engineer, Kannan, did an excellent job!

 

The following links are to a few more snapshots of the gathering:

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks001.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks002.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks003.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks004.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks005.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks006.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks007.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks008.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks009.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks010.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks011.jpg

http://www.members.aol.com/rkentscuba/SFNaks012.jpg

 

Special thanks to Mike deVera as the driving force behind this endeavor!

 

Robert Kent
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Mar 16 05:51:55 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:51:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Bay Area Nak-Fest
Message-ID: <26990-405687EB-2903@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

Congratulations on the Succesful Bay area NakFest.Immensly enjoyable to
hear about it and to see the wonderful pictures. I Lived all over the
Bay area frm1978 to 1991,And You gentleman are very fortunate to live
and Nak there!

thank you very much,
gerald



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Mar 16 09:03:27 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:03:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 2-head Naks
Message-ID: <s056d0fc.071@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Howzit Fred,

Both those decks are really great 2-head machines thanks to the
assymetrical double capstan drive and classic Nak mechanisms.  I have a
480Z (would have preferred silver too) and it's a really impressive
deck.  The   480 doesn't have the Dolby C, but that was a bit of an
add-on with the Z model, which is inclinded to suffer from hardened
brown glue syndrome (HBGS).  So, my 480 series hasn't given a days
trouble.

Many hanker after CR-7s and ZX-9 (sure I do too) but I would be
thrilled to get a really unblemished silver 482Z.  

Some think the LX-3 is the best Nak 2-header.  It might just be.  I
don't think it has too many notable achillies heels, if any.

Good luck!!

Marc



>>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 03/15/04 08:03PM >>>
Hi all,
Well, I think I've narrowed down my newest Nak to an LX-3 or a silver
480. Do
you wise gurus have any advice on purchasing one of these? Any
particular
weaknesses to look out for?

Also, may have mentioned this before, but would anyone like a not
completely
functional Sony TC-K81? I honestly don't remember what's wrong with it,
but
there may have been an issue with finding a part. If you're interested,
it's
yours for the cost of shipping. I just need it out of the basement (or
so I'm
told, ahem...)

thanks one and all,
Fred
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Tue Mar 16 09:02:46 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:02:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
  /Naktalkers'
Message-ID: <200403160303_MC3-1-7654-7E9A@compuserve.com>

I also would like to extend my thanks to Mike as the organizer of this
meeting and Robert, our host. I have enjoyed the event all together  and
looking forward to see other gatherings in other parts of the world as
well. I also would like to thank Kannan, who gave me very useful
information about the decks. I got a gear-mod kit from him for my cr7a,
which I have already installed keeping his directions fresh in mind. 

I also picked up a lot of audiophile info, listening to Jim and Mike. Jim
has brought a supply of nice interconnects and impressive looking power
supply cables and the opus cd-player.

I have just loaded the pictures from my camera, there are 33 pics all
together around 6MB. I will mail them to Mike and Ti soon in 3 parts.

_Fuad




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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:37:35 -0800 (PST)
To: naktalk at naks.com
In-Reply-To: <200403152259.WAA22419 at amb.org> from "Ti Kan" at Mar 15,
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Sorry about the lack of captions to the pictures, I threw the pics
up quickly so you can all have a look.

The group photo "dsc00768.jpg" is as follows:

Standing from left to right:
Kannan S., Paul Koo, Faud "compudude", Mike deVera, Robert Kent, Ti Kan
Sitting: Jim Volpatti

Looking at the pictures I realized that I should have taken more
of the people rather than the equipment.  Hopefully the other
cameras there will fill in the gaps.

Many thanks to Robert for hosting this event.  Your beautiful and
expansive house is perfect for this gathering.  Thanks to Mike deVera
for creating this event, and being a good "traffic cop" to keep our
mini marathon tape session going smoothly.  Thanks to all who came,
it was a joy meeting all of you and it was great seeing all of the
cool NakGear and other equipment that you brought.

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6

I wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
> the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape
ready.
> 
> To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:
> 
>       http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/
> 
> These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
> other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
> different site.
> 
> The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
> stage.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> -Ti
<




From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue Mar 16 10:28:05 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:28:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
References: <200403152337.XAA22646@amb.org>
Message-ID: <00fb01c40b38$fce2c290$1410a8c0@tg>

Very nice gathering!!! Picts show how cool was the audio gear, so were you
guys!!!
Congrads... It should be so interesting to calibrate Dragon professionally!!
Best to All.
Tayfur

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'


> Sorry about the lack of captions to the pictures, I threw the pics
> up quickly so you can all have a look.
>
> The group photo "dsc00768.jpg" is as follows:
>
> Standing from left to right:
> Kannan S., Paul Koo, Faud "compudude", Mike deVera, Robert Kent, Ti Kan
> Sitting: Jim Volpatti
>
> Looking at the pictures I realized that I should have taken more
> of the people rather than the equipment.  Hopefully the other
> cameras there will fill in the gaps.
>
> Many thanks to Robert for hosting this event.  Your beautiful and
> expansive house is perfect for this gathering.  Thanks to Mike deVera
> for creating this event, and being a good "traffic cop" to keep our
> mini marathon tape session going smoothly.  Thanks to all who came,
> it was a joy meeting all of you and it was great seeing all of the
> cool NakGear and other equipment that you brought.
>
> -Ti
> --
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
>
> I wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
> > the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape
ready.
> >
> > To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:
> >
> > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/
> >
> > These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
> > other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
> > different site.
> >
> > The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
> > stage.
> >
> > Have fun!
> >
> > -Ti
>
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From ti at amb.org  Tue Mar 16 10:44:14 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:44:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c40b38$fce2c290$1410a8c0@tg> from "Tayfur Gunay" at Mar 16,
	2004 11:28:05 AM
Message-ID: <200403160944.JAA00252@amb.org>

I just added a bunch more pictures from Fuad and Robert Kent.
Check it out:

	http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Mar 16 17:56:23 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:56:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping/Naktalkers'meet
In-Reply-To: <003501c40b04$5cae0660$9a6723c8@g8nsv>
References: <200403152259.WAA22419@amb.org>
	<002f01c40b15$5150b900$0d363242@CopyTech>
	<003501c40b04$5cae0660$9a6723c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <1079456183.405731b7ca374@mail.ce.net>

I'll second that!!! ;-)

John T.

Quoting Isy Fidelman <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>:

> Great idea Carlos!!!!
> 
> I would really enjoy visiting Puerto Rico.....
> 
> Isy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon
> taping/Naktalkers'meet
> 
> 
> > Thank you, Ti. I already printed my glossy photo of all of you to be hang
> in
> > my mastering suite. The photo would be call: "Nations United by Music".
> >
> > Now seriously: we need to plan an international meeting and I offer
> Puerto
> > Rico as the place to meet, unless somebody else has any other
> proposition.
> > That would be a great excuse for vacations.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
> > /Naktalkers'meet
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
> > > the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape
> ready.
> > >
> > > To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:
> > >
> > > http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/
> > >
> > > These are just photos from my camera.  There are more photos from
> > > other cameras which we will be collecting and putting on a
> > > different site.
> > >
> > > The two circuit board shots are of Mike's Sony SACD player's analog
> > > stage.
> > >
> > > Have fun!
> > >
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Tue Mar 16 19:13:27 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:13:27 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Mar 16 19:20:43 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:20:43 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
Message-ID: <7488382748444e.748444e7488382@vsnl.net>

That one is 700ZXE - really fantastic looking with its bigger brother 700ZXL. This machine belongs to Fuad and I will be getting it today to align its head and will surely listen to it! its Red indicators make it a truly awsome machine to keep in your Audio Cabinet.

The power chord is supposed to clean up 120V Ac line's hormonics !!!! All power lines carry quite a lot of noise in the form of hormonics of 60Hz ( in the other world 220V -50Hz!) The cable is supposed to hold ferrite particles to absorb and damp the hormonics 1 better still; we can ask Jim volpatti to give us a guide to what that damn chord will do to your AC input
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:59 am
Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest

> Hi all,
> Wow, that is a truly awesome table full of gear. I had to wipe the 
> drool off my
> keyboard. What is that giant Nak? I've never seen such a thing 
> before. My god.
> 
> So what was the word on the performance of that power cord (which 
> I'm assuming
> is that immense black cable in a couple of the pics)? I confess I 
> don'tunderstand how a power-cord could make a difference. Sort of 
> goes against common
> sense, since the wiring in the house is going to be all 10, 12, 14 
> gauge Romex
> anyway (or worse, as in my house, knob-and-tube circa 1920). So 
> how does a few
> feet of ultra-high quality connector make a difference? I'm very 
> curious to
> know!
> 
> Anyway, looks like a wonderful event. Perhaps we can have a 
> Pacific Northwest
> Nakfest some day? The beer's better up here ;-)
> best,
> Fred
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar 16 19:33:44 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:33:44 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
In-Reply-To: <200403160944.JAA00252@amb.org>
Message-ID: <000001c40b85$36ca4cc0$849a4c51@oemcomputer>

Well, it sure looks like you guys were warm enough!  It's not freezing here
in the Uk but it sure ain't warm enough for shorts ... unless you're playing
football, of course!  (And I gave that up years ago ... or rather, it gave
me up ...)

Must say I'm tempted by the idea of an International Nak Fest' ... I could
do with a good holiday, too.  Either that or I'm going to have my own
Hemlock party!!

Gra'

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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar 16 19:40:58 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:40:58 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
In-Reply-To: <7488382748444e.748444e7488382@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000001c40b86$38ed1040$849a4c51@oemcomputer>

Interesting.   I've used Ferrite clamps on interconnects but never used them
on power cables.  (Have to say I didn't notice a  damned thing when I had
them on the interconnects, nor on the speaker cables.  At least nothing in
comparison with what I heard when I started experimenting with various mains
conditioners, one for audio, one for computers and one for telecoms
equipment.  Don't ask me about measured responses - I don't have the gear
and I'd not know how to use it if I had!!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 16 March 2004 18:21
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
>
>
> That one is 700ZXE - really fantastic looking with its bigger
> brother 700ZXL. This machine belongs to Fuad and I will be
> getting it today to align its head and will surely listen to it!
> its Red indicators make it a truly awsome machine to keep in your
> Audio Cabinet.
>
> The power chord is supposed to clean up 120V Ac line's hormonics
> !!!! All power lines carry quite a lot of noise in the form of
> hormonics of 60Hz ( in the other world 220V -50Hz!) The cable is
> supposed to hold ferrite particles to absorb and damp the
> hormonics 1 better still; we can ask Jim volpatti to give us a
> guide to what that damn chord will do to your AC input
> kannan
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Tue Mar 16 19:54:28 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:54:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping
	/Naktalkers'
Message-ID: <s0570730.036@mail.anderson.edu>

Gra,
 
If your sewing machine has a cross-stitch feature, that should lock
your hem in place, so your fabric doesn't come undone.   ;o)   
Personally, I'm not sure you have any fabric left to come undone!    ;oP
  Don't tell me it takes one without fabric to know one without fabric,
as I don't give a rip about this cloak-and-dagger stuff.  Think I need
to take my medications as I'm three sheets to the wind and feel like I
need to be hung out to dry.  Amazing what drinking a 2-liter bottle of
Dr. Pepper and eating 4 ounces of Dove Dark chocolate will do to the
synapses; at least that's the excuse I'll use this time.  (All that from
hemlock?)  Think I'll go dry out now.  
 
Best Buy, I mean Good Bye,
 
Kent Merideth from central Indiana (Who want's to do a Nakfest in the
area?)  Enjoy the Music!


>>> gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 03/16/04 01:33PM >>>
Well, it sure looks like you guys were warm enough!  It's not freezing
here
in the Uk but it sure ain't warm enough for shorts ... unless you're
playing
football, of course!  (And I gave that up years ago ... or rather, it
gave
me up ...)

Must say I'm tempted by the idea of an International Nak Fest' ... I
could
do with a good holiday, too.  Either that or I'm going to have my own
Hemlock party!!

Gra'

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Mar 16 20:14:07 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:14:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
In-Reply-To: <000001c40b85$36ca4cc0$849a4c51@oemcomputer>
References: <000001c40b85$36ca4cc0$849a4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1079464447.405751ff32d94@mail.ce.net>

Gra'

Meet you in San Juan but forget bringing a cassette deck. Maybe my Sony D3 DAT 
or MiniDisc player ;-) I know I'll recognise you as we will be the two tourists 
without hats getting burnt.

John T.

Quoting Gimli <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>:

> Well, it sure looks like you guys were warm enough!  It's not freezing here
> in the Uk but it sure ain't warm enough for shorts ... unless you're
> playing
> football, of course!  (And I gave that up years ago ... or rather, it gave
> me up ...)
> 
> Must say I'm tempted by the idea of an International Nak Fest' ... I could
> do with a good holiday, too.  Either that or I'm going to have my own
> Hemlock party!!
> 
> Gra'
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From fast_algorithms at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 16 20:46:33 2004
From: fast_algorithms at yahoo.com (Wai-Sze Tam)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:46:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] DBX Tape Noise Reduction Unit
Message-ID: <20040316194633.88917.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>

   Does a Nakamichi deck ever need an external tape
noise reduction unit, like the one made by DBX, to
reduce tape hiss ? Would such units distort the warmth
of the Nakamichi sound ?

   I recently bought a used 1000 ZXL, and it can
connect to an external noise reduction unit. Besides,
its own dolby system has no effect on the sound at
all.


Regards,

Wai-Sze

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar 16 20:54:19 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:54:19 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping/Naktalkers'
In-Reply-To: <s0570730.036@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <000a01c40b90$783bd600$aad9883e@oemcomputer>

Jeesh!  I'd heard about Asprin and Coke but never before about Dr Pepper and
dark chocolate ... I'm outta here to the local store for supplies ...
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Kent Merideth
  Sent: 16 March 2004 18:54
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon
taping/Naktalkers'


  Gra,

  If your sewing machine has a cross-stitch feature, that should lock your
hem in place, so your fabric doesn't come undone.   ;o)    Personally, I'm
not sure you have any fabric left to come undone!    ;oP   Don't tell me it
takes one without fabric to know one without fabric, as I don't give a rip
about this cloak-and-dagger stuff.  Think I need to take my medications as
I'm three sheets to the wind and feel like I need to be hung out to dry.
Amazing what drinking a 2-liter bottle of Dr. Pepper and eating 4 ounces of
Dove Dark chocolate will do to the synapses; at least that's the excuse I'll
use this time.  (All that from hemlock?)  Think I'll go dry out now.

  Best Buy, I mean Good Bye,

  Kent Merideth from central Indiana (Who want's to do a Nakfest in the
area?)  Enjoy the Music!


  >>> gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 03/16/04 01:33PM >>>
  Well, it sure looks like you guys were warm enough!  It's not freezing
here
  in the Uk but it sure ain't warm enough for shorts ... unless you're
playing
  football, of course!  (And I gave that up years ago ... or rather, it gave
  me up ...)

  Must say I'm tempted by the idea of an International Nak Fest' ... I could
  do with a good holiday, too.  Either that or I'm going to have my own
  Hemlock party!!

  Gra'

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar 17 01:27:55 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:27:55 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
References: <7488382748444e.748444e7488382@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c40bb6$b15e7ed0$1a773242@CopyTech>

Yes. The 2 big ZXL machines are really awesome but full of things to go
wrong, specifically the recording circuits of the 700 ZXL and 1000 ZXL. I
use to have both and with all honesty these monsters are the most impressive
looking machines ever made in the history of cassette recording. Period.
Unfortunately, expensive to buy in good condition, difficult to come buy and
crazy to keep them running. My 700 ZXL is in Canada now and the 1000 ZXL in
New York.

ON the other hand, the 700 ZXE is far more reliable than its cousin ZXL.
Even though, I think a mint condition monster like these ones at the right
price could make anyone, including me, commit a crazy thing !

Carlos

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From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest


> That one is 700ZXE - really fantastic looking with its bigger brother
700ZXL. This machine belongs to Fuad and I will be getting it today to align
its head and will surely listen to it! its Red indicators make it a truly
awsome machine to keep in your Audio Cabinet.
>
> The power chord is supposed to clean up 120V Ac line's hormonics !!!! All
power lines carry quite a lot of noise in the form of hormonics of 60Hz ( in
the other world 220V -50Hz!) The cable is supposed to hold ferrite particles
to absorb and damp the hormonics 1 better still; we can ask Jim volpatti to
give us a guide to what that damn chord will do to your AC input
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:59 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
>
> > Hi all,
> > Wow, that is a truly awesome table full of gear. I had to wipe the
> > drool off my
> > keyboard. What is that giant Nak? I've never seen such a thing
> > before. My god.
> >
> > So what was the word on the performance of that power cord (which
> > I'm assuming
> > is that immense black cable in a couple of the pics)? I confess I
> > don'tunderstand how a power-cord could make a difference. Sort of
> > goes against common
> > sense, since the wiring in the house is going to be all 10, 12, 14
> > gauge Romex
> > anyway (or worse, as in my house, knob-and-tube circa 1920). So
> > how does a few
> > feet of ultra-high quality connector make a difference? I'm very
> > curious to
> > know!
> >
> > Anyway, looks like a wonderful event. Perhaps we can have a
> > Pacific Northwest
> > Nakfest some day? The beer's better up here ;-)
> > best,
> > Fred
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar 17 01:31:25 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:31:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
References: <000001c40b85$36ca4cc0$849a4c51@oemcomputer>
	<1079464447.405751ff32d94@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c40bb7$2e6fb510$1a773242@CopyTech>

Yep. I think that it would be a little difficult to bring down machines due
to excessive package regulations. In case somebody wants to bring something
like that, it has to be ship in advance, otherwise, we'll use my old Dragon
and Revox decks.

The Tandberg left to Lithuania... sniff !

Carlos

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'


> Gra'
>
> Meet you in San Juan but forget bringing a cassette deck. Maybe my Sony D3
DAT
> or MiniDisc player ;-) I know I'll recognise you as we will be the two
tourists
> without hats getting burnt.
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting Gimli <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>:
>
> > Well, it sure looks like you guys were warm enough!  It's not freezing
here
> > in the Uk but it sure ain't warm enough for shorts ... unless you're
> > playing
> > football, of course!  (And I gave that up years ago ... or rather, it
gave
> > me up ...)
> >
> > Must say I'm tempted by the idea of an International Nak Fest' ... I
could
> > do with a good holiday, too.  Either that or I'm going to have my own
> > Hemlock party!!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Mar 16 21:57:27 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:57:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] hemlock,soda and chocolate
Message-ID: <27259-40576A37-1331@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

Hemlock?Graham NO!Dont Do It! RISEN is much Quicker and more
effective.Also,may I suggest Twinkies and ho-hos as a more effective
means to your objectives  than dove bars and dr.pepper,although the two
taken together may intensify the effects.

thank you very much,
gerald



From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Tue Mar 16 22:56:28 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:56:28 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 21
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Mar 17 00:06:27 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:06:27 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
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did someone say they were paying for flights to puerto rico?
phill
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar 17 00:43:33 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:43:33 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
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Ah!  There's the rub!  :o)
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  did someone say they were paying for flights to puerto rico?
  phill
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From cobra2 at online.no  Wed Mar 17 01:42:30 2004
From: cobra2 at online.no (Arne Karlsen)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:42:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 2-head Naks
Message-ID: <003101c40bb8$bac7a2b0$8812200a@MAIN>

My first Naka was the LX-3, a great machine that made my teacher at that time forget about his reel to reel Tandberg!

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Mar 17 15:49:52 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:49:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
In-Reply-To: <000001c40b85$36ca4cc0$849a4c51@oemcomputer>
References: <000001c40b85$36ca4cc0$849a4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <40586590.4080000@rcn.com>

Gimli wrote:

> Well, it sure looks like you guys were warm enough!  It's not freezing here
> in the Uk but it sure ain't warm enough for shorts ...

Count your blessings, Graham. I am just back in, from
shoveling my driveway.

-- Ron, from snowy Massachusetts






  unless you're playing
> football, of course!  (And I gave that up years ago ... or rather, it gave
> me up ...)
> 
> Must say I'm tempted by the idea of an International Nak Fest' ... I could
> do with a good holiday, too.  Either that or I'm going to have my own
> Hemlock party!!
> 
> Gra'
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Mar 17 16:01:44 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:01:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
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References: <7488382748444e.748444e7488382@vsnl.net>
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I am always amused by the Tweak Society, but never more
so than by the power cord chapter.

Even assuming the power cord 'cleans up harmonics' (it
does not), why would you want to do that? If what you
want to clean up is RFI, than any well designed piece
of equipment (and, yes, Nak decks are well designed)
will contain the appropriate filters. I don't know about
the 700ZXL, but the CR-7 has one filter on the power
transformer primary, plus a filter on each and every
secondary, right before the rectifiers. These filters,
of course, are an overkill -- accomplishing more than
any line cord could ever hope to.

Nonetheless, there is always someone that 'hears' the
"huge" difference an expensive line cord can make...
LOL...

-- Ron





kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:

> That one is 700ZXE - really fantastic looking with its bigger brother 700ZXL. This machine belongs to Fuad and I will be getting it today to align its head and will surely listen to it! its Red indicators make it a truly awsome machine to keep in your Audio Cabinet.
> 
> The power chord is supposed to clean up 120V Ac line's hormonics !!!! All power lines carry quite a lot of noise in the form of hormonics of 60Hz ( in the other world 220V -50Hz!) The cable is supposed to hold ferrite particles to absorb and damp the hormonics 1 better still; we can ask Jim volpatti to give us a guide to what that damn chord will do to your AC input
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:59 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
> 
> 
>>Hi all,
>>Wow, that is a truly awesome table full of gear. I had to wipe the 
>>drool off my
>>keyboard. What is that giant Nak? I've never seen such a thing 
>>before. My god.
>>
>>So what was the word on the performance of that power cord (which 
>>I'm assuming
>>is that immense black cable in a couple of the pics)? I confess I 
>>don'tunderstand how a power-cord could make a difference. Sort of 
>>goes against common
>>sense, since the wiring in the house is going to be all 10, 12, 14 
>>gauge Romex
>>anyway (or worse, as in my house, knob-and-tube circa 1920). So 
>>how does a few
>>feet of ultra-high quality connector make a difference? I'm very 
>>curious to
>>know!
>>
>>Anyway, looks like a wonderful event. Perhaps we can have a 
>>Pacific Northwest
>>Nakfest some day? The beer's better up here ;-)
>>best,
>>Fred





From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Wed Mar 17 16:52:38 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:52:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] DBX Tape Noise Reduction Unit
In-Reply-To: <20040316194633.88917.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040316194633.88917.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040317104008.02c04ec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 14:46 2004/03/16, you wrote:
>    Does a Nakamichi deck ever need an external tape
>noise reduction unit, like the one made by DBX, to
>reduce tape hiss ?

It depends how much hiss you can tolerate when listening to your tapes. 
Typical use of the external loop on the 1000ZXL is with the NR-100 Dolby C 
adapter. You could instead connect a dbx unit there if you felt you needed it.

>Would such units distort the warmth
>of the Nakamichi sound ?

Noise reduction units typically increase non-linearities in frequency 
response. This is less of a problem with decks that exhibit very flat 
frequency response to start with such as the 1000ZXL. Warmth is something 
that is difficult to quantify. Your opinion on this is as good as any other 
person's.


>    I recently bought a used 1000 ZXL, and it can
>connect to an external noise reduction unit. Besides,
>its own dolby system has no effect on the sound at
>all.

Built-in Dolby B has minimal effect on sound quality but it does reduce 
tape hiss significantly. I personally like Dolby B on a properly calibrated 
deck.


>Regards,
>
>Wai-Sze

Enjoy your 1000ZXL.

-Marc




From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Mar 17 17:12:29 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:12:29 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] dbx
Message-ID: <000c01c40c3a$a58415f0$8b9c4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

i have used a dbx 117 unit  (a few years ago) and it reduced the noise tremendously, low frequencys can catch them out and introduce 'breathing effects' but a high pass filter is fitted to some models to overcome this,( ok it was the 70's).
the 117 was a manual type where you set it to compress when recording and expand when playing back by means of a pot-twas a basic one-a 119 went for silly money on ebay a few months ago.
still got the 117, when i got it i noticed the supply to the ic's was outside their voltage rating and got them recalled for differant\correct transformers to be fitted-oops
phill
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Mar 17 17:22:25 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:22:25 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] dbx2
Message-ID: <001201c40c3c$08803ed0$8b9c4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

the main idea behind using dbx was to limit the dynamic range to the level that the tape systems could handle, in the 70's it wasnt very good\high, modern decks are far better in this respect, 
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From merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com  Wed Mar 17 17:19:27 2004
From: merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com (merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:19:27 +0100
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
Message-ID: <OF77187FB6.D88B9C7E-ONC1256E5A.005746DA-C1256E5A.0059AC3C@bayer.de>






Hello Nakkers,

Now I am curious how good my English is...

Nonetheless, there is always someone that 'hears' the
"huge" difference an expensive line cord can make...
LOL...

Don't laugh out loud. A good powerchord is clearly audible. And it is not about
the filtering. It is about the flow of current and induction and resistance.
Even the plug is important. A good cable must ensure that induction and
resistance are low. This leads to the same effect that a good electromagnetic
shielding has. No interference. Also what is important is the current potential.
Make sure that your system is plugged in only ONE power bar. If you use two, you
have different current potentials (two wall outlets). And that is audible.
Optimum is if you have all the same powerchords all the same length to be sure
your system is properly wired. To make you laugh even more: If you start with
the powerchords/bars, you will, in most cases, hear a better effect than if you
change say a speakercable or interconnect. No shit.

You might want to check out HMS. They are a cable manufacturer from Germany who
also have distribution in the U.S. There is a nice review on 6moons.com

Merten, from 25°C Germany.


                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       
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I am always amused by the Tweak Society, but never more
so than by the power cord chapter.

Even assuming the power cord 'cleans up harmonics' (it
does not), why would you want to do that? If what you
want to clean up is RFI, than any well designed piece
of equipment (and, yes, Nak decks are well designed)
will contain the appropriate filters. I don't know about
the 700ZXL, but the CR-7 has one filter on the power
transformer primary, plus a filter on each and every
secondary, right before the rectifiers. These filters,
of course, are an overkill -- accomplishing more than
any line cord could ever hope to.

Nonetheless, there is always someone that 'hears' the
"huge" difference an expensive line cord can make...
LOL...

-- Ron





kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:

> That one is 700ZXE - really fantastic looking with its bigger brother 700ZXL.
This machine belongs to Fuad and I will be getting it today to align its head
and will surely listen to it! its Red indicators make it a truly awsome machine
to keep in your Audio Cabinet.
>
> The power chord is supposed to clean up 120V Ac line's hormonics !!!! All
power lines carry quite a lot of noise in the form of hormonics of 60Hz ( in the
other world 220V -50Hz!) The cable is supposed to hold ferrite particles to
absorb and damp the hormonics 1 better still; we can ask Jim volpatti to give us
a guide to what that damn chord will do to your AC input
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:59 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>Wow, that is a truly awesome table full of gear. I had to wipe the
>>drool off my
>>keyboard. What is that giant Nak? I've never seen such a thing
>>before. My god.
>>
>>So what was the word on the performance of that power cord (which
>>I'm assuming
>>is that immense black cable in a couple of the pics)? I confess I
>>don'tunderstand how a power-cord could make a difference. Sort of
>>goes against common
>>sense, since the wiring in the house is going to be all 10, 12, 14
>>gauge Romex
>>anyway (or worse, as in my house, knob-and-tube circa 1920). So
>>how does a few
>>feet of ultra-high quality connector make a difference? I'm very
>>curious to
>>know!
>>
>>Anyway, looks like a wonderful event. Perhaps we can have a
>>Pacific Northwest
>>Nakfest some day? The beer's better up here ;-)
>>best,
>>Fred



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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Mar 17 21:30:28 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:30:28 -0500
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
In-Reply-To: <OF77187FB6.D88B9C7E-ONC1256E5A.005746DA-C1256E5A.0059AC3C@bayer.de>
References: <OF77187FB6.D88B9C7E-ONC1256E5A.005746DA-C1256E5A.0059AC3C@bayer.de>
Message-ID: <4058B564.9080603@rcn.com>

merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com wrote:
> 
> Hello Nakkers,
> 
> Now I am curious how good my English is...

You English is excellent, Merten.

>> Nonetheless, there is always someone that 'hears' the
>> "huge" difference an expensive line cord can make...
>> LOL...
> 
> Don't laugh out loud.

Well, as you know, this subject comes up once in a while and
I find it funny every time... I realize, though, that I am in
the minority here -- many NakTalkers swear by their line cords
(let alone, their speaker cables).

> A good powerchord is clearly audible.

Only in sighted tests. Never in the history of mankind was a
line cord audibly identified in a blind test.

> And it is not about
> the filtering. It is about the flow of current and induction and resistance.
> Even the plug is important. A good cable must ensure that induction and
> resistance are low.

I wonder why you thing that line cord resistance is of any
consequence whatsoever. As to inductance -- how can it be
important at 60Hz (or 50Hz)?

> This leads to the same effect that a good electromagnetic
> shielding has. No interference.  Also what is important is the current potential.

I am not sure what 'current potential' is. The term doesn't
appear in any of my engineering and/or physics books.

> Make sure that your system is plugged in only ONE power bar. If you use two, you
> have different current potentials (two wall outlets). And that is audible.

I assume you are referring to ground loops. If so, you are quite 
correct. However, this has nothing to do with line cords.

> Optimum is if you have all the same powerchords all the same length to be sure
> your system is properly wired.

This is a new one on me. Why on earth would line cords need to be
of the same length?

> To make you laugh even more: If you start with
> the powerchords/bars, you will, in most cases, hear a better effect than if you
> change say a speakercable or interconnect. No shit.

Well, if the power cords are good (as all original cords from
reputable manufacturers are), you will hear no difference at
all from expensive esoteric cords. Interconnects and speaker
cables are an entirely different story -- let's not go there
right now...

> You might want to check out HMS. They are a cable manufacturer from Germany who
> also have distribution in the U.S. There is a nice review on 6moons.com

Ah, The Reviews... NOW, I am really laughing...

-- Ron


> 
> Merten, from 25°C Germany.
> 
> 
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>                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I am always amused by the Tweak Society, but never more
> so than by the power cord chapter.
> 
> Even assuming the power cord 'cleans up harmonics' (it
> does not), why would you want to do that? If what you
> want to clean up is RFI, than any well designed piece
> of equipment (and, yes, Nak decks are well designed)
> will contain the appropriate filters. I don't know about
> the 700ZXL, but the CR-7 has one filter on the power
> transformer primary, plus a filter on each and every
> secondary, right before the rectifiers. These filters,
> of course, are an overkill -- accomplishing more than
> any line cord could ever hope to.
> 
> Nonetheless, there is always someone that 'hears' the
> "huge" difference an expensive line cord can make...
> LOL...
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> 
> 
>>That one is 700ZXE - really fantastic looking with its bigger brother 700ZXL.
> 
> This machine belongs to Fuad and I will be getting it today to align its head
> and will surely listen to it! its Red indicators make it a truly awsome machine
> to keep in your Audio Cabinet.
> 
>>The power chord is supposed to clean up 120V Ac line's hormonics !!!! All
> 
> power lines carry quite a lot of noise in the form of hormonics of 60Hz ( in the
> other world 220V -50Hz!) The cable is supposed to hold ferrite particles to
> absorb and damp the hormonics 1 better still; we can ask Jim volpatti to give us
> a guide to what that damn chord will do to your AC input
> 
>>kannan
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
>>Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:59 am
>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>Wow, that is a truly awesome table full of gear. I had to wipe the
>>>drool off my
>>>keyboard. What is that giant Nak? I've never seen such a thing
>>>before. My god.
>>>
>>>So what was the word on the performance of that power cord (which
>>>I'm assuming
>>>is that immense black cable in a couple of the pics)? I confess I
>>>don'tunderstand how a power-cord could make a difference. Sort of
>>>goes against common
>>>sense, since the wiring in the house is going to be all 10, 12, 14
>>>gauge Romex
>>>anyway (or worse, as in my house, knob-and-tube circa 1920). So
>>>how does a few
>>>feet of ultra-high quality connector make a difference? I'm very
>>>curious to
>>>know!
>>>
>>>Anyway, looks like a wonderful event. Perhaps we can have a
>>>Pacific Northwest
>>>Nakfest some day? The beer's better up here ;-)
>>>best,
>>>Fred
> 




From BMWJPC at aol.com  Thu Mar 18 02:41:58 2004
From: BMWJPC at aol.com (BMWJPC at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:41:58 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Some expert advice on blank tapes please?
Message-ID: <1f0.1bc39224.2d8a5866@aol.com>

What are the differences between the quality/thickness of 60min, 90min and 
100min tapes?  Also, do you HEAR a difference?

Secondly, I've experienced an odd phenomenon with some recently purchased 
blank tapes. I am able to turn the reels with my pinky finger (to take up slack 
tape) on both reels with (as an example) side A facing me. When I turn the tape 
around (side B facing me), I can only turn one reel freely.

In other words, a given reel will accept my manually turning it (with the tip 
of my finger) form one side of the cassette but offers great resistance when 
I try to turn the same reel from the other side of the tape. Yes, I am turning 
it in the "proper" direction.  If I use a pencil or some such device, the 
resistance is less.  I've tried this with my older tapes (it is a habit I 
developed long ago to take out slack tape before playing) and the reels move like 
Swiss watch parts - NO resistance.  

Think the new tapes are bad?  They sound just fine and the deck does not seem 
to be straining (that I can tell).    

Thanks for your wisdom!
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Mar 18 05:31:48 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:31:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] DBX Deck TeacV-95 Rx
Message-ID: <29273-40592634-3350@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

Hi,if anyone needs a TEAC  V-95 rx    Compulogic deck in Xcellent shape
for their old DBX encoded tapes i got one.i wonder if the DBX Section
Can Be Isolated from the rest of the deck and used as a stand alone
noise reduction unit?ok-who said there are no stupid questions?

thank you very much,
gerald



From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 18 06:37:38 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:37:38 -0500
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
References: <OF77187FB6.D88B9C7E-ONC1256E5A.005746DA-C1256E5A.0059AC3C@bayer.de>
	<4058B564.9080603@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <001601c40cab$204329f0$6401a8c0@cn593434a>

Fellow Nakkers,

This chatter has forced me to come out of hiding.  You must believe me as
this is the honest truth.  By the way, my first Nakamichi was a model 480
purchased in 1980 and which I still own because I just love great machines
and have trouble parting with them.

I am a man of considerable means and my main love in this life is music and
audio gear of all sorts.  I have read the high end "tweak" magazines along
with those written by the "grounded" electronics engineers.  My education is
based in the sciences and my chosen occupation is chemistry, though you
could call it a hobby.  Once again, the "means" are considerable and
although I could if I wished coast through life, my conscience implores me
to contribute to society with at least some of the talent God has provided
to me.  So here I am with the capability of independent thought (provided by
the grace of God and education), the love of music, and the means to explore
the "tweaks".  I must also mention that I am stingy with my money.  Who
isn't?  So here is what I have done independently, because I have learned to
not accept the hype that comes from sales based claims.  Keep in mind the
rule of diminishing returns.  That last bit of performance from your gear
will cost an arm, a leg, and quite possibly a few more body parts!

I grew up in the suburbs of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the '70s and
watched from a distance the construction of the Limerick nuclear power
plant. Much later, when I came to be aware that things like the quality of
power cords might possibly influence my perception of the sound I so loved,
I moved my residence to just across the Schuykill river from Limerick.  I
must say that at the time, the lack of 60Hz harmonics in my audio gear due
to my proximity to the power plant was a profound revelation.  But still, I
was not fully satisfied.  The discord in my music enjoyment became apparent
when bi-wiring of amps and speakers became common place in the '90s.  When
it finally dawned on me that the Peach Bottom nuke was only tens of miles
away, I had them run a dedicated line to listening room so that I could run
the main amps from Limerick and the rest of the system from Peach Bottom.
There was a certain clarity of sound as a result, but there was also a
nagging ground loop problem.  So how to fix it?  Simple enough really.  Move
to West Chester, PA, midway between the two nukes!  Ground loop solved!
Length of the "power cords" solved!  Talk about balance!  You really must
hear it for yourself.

One last remark...should you have the opportunity to close in on a power
source like a nuclear or coal fired power plant and thus shorten the "power
cord" to your audio system, by all means buy it an any cost.  You won't
regret it.

And one last remark for you "tweakers" who sell the outrageously priced
nonsense.  I have yet to hear any mention about the irregular current that
flows from our sun through our solar system in the form of ionized
protons...the same ones that power the aroras.  You guys just haven't
thought of that yet, huh?

Totally and Most Humbly and Honestly Provided,
Dean


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest


> merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com wrote:
> >
> > Hello Nakkers,
> >
> > Now I am curious how good my English is...
>
> You English is excellent, Merten.
>
> >> Nonetheless, there is always someone that 'hears' the
> >> "huge" difference an expensive line cord can make...
> >> LOL...
> >
> > Don't laugh out loud.
>
> Well, as you know, this subject comes up once in a while and
> I find it funny every time... I realize, though, that I am in
> the minority here -- many NakTalkers swear by their line cords
> (let alone, their speaker cables).
>
> > A good powerchord is clearly audible.
>
> Only in sighted tests. Never in the history of mankind was a
> line cord audibly identified in a blind test.
>
> > And it is not about
> > the filtering. It is about the flow of current and induction and
resistance.
> > Even the plug is important. A good cable must ensure that induction and
> > resistance are low.
>
> I wonder why you thing that line cord resistance is of any
> consequence whatsoever. As to inductance -- how can it be
> important at 60Hz (or 50Hz)?
>
> > This leads to the same effect that a good electromagnetic
> > shielding has. No interference.  Also what is important is the current
potential.
>
> I am not sure what 'current potential' is. The term doesn't
> appear in any of my engineering and/or physics books.
>
> > Make sure that your system is plugged in only ONE power bar. If you use
two, you
> > have different current potentials (two wall outlets). And that is
audible.
>
> I assume you are referring to ground loops. If so, you are quite
> correct. However, this has nothing to do with line cords.
>
> > Optimum is if you have all the same powerchords all the same length to
be sure
> > your system is properly wired.
>
> This is a new one on me. Why on earth would line cords need to be
> of the same length?
>
> > To make you laugh even more: If you start with
> > the powerchords/bars, you will, in most cases, hear a better effect than
if you
> > change say a speakercable or interconnect. No shit.
>
> Well, if the power cords are good (as all original cords from
> reputable manufacturers are), you will hear no difference at
> all from expensive esoteric cords. Interconnects and speaker
> cables are an entirely different story -- let's not go there
> right now...
>
> > You might want to check out HMS. They are a cable manufacturer from
Germany who
> > also have distribution in the U.S. There is a nice review on 6moons.com
>
> Ah, The Reviews... NOW, I am really laughing...
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> >
> > Merten, from 25°C Germany.
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >                                                 An: Talk about Nakamichi
Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >                                                 Kopie:
> >                                                 Thema:   Re: [naktalk]
Re: SF Nakfest
> >
> >               naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> >               Received :  17.03.2004
> >               16:02
> >               Bitte antworten an ra.ah;
> >               Bitte antworten an Talk
> >               about Nakamichi Cassette
> >               Decks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am always amused by the Tweak Society, but never more
> > so than by the power cord chapter.
> >
> > Even assuming the power cord 'cleans up harmonics' (it
> > does not), why would you want to do that? If what you
> > want to clean up is RFI, than any well designed piece
> > of equipment (and, yes, Nak decks are well designed)
> > will contain the appropriate filters. I don't know about
> > the 700ZXL, but the CR-7 has one filter on the power
> > transformer primary, plus a filter on each and every
> > secondary, right before the rectifiers. These filters,
> > of course, are an overkill -- accomplishing more than
> > any line cord could ever hope to.
> >
> > Nonetheless, there is always someone that 'hears' the
> > "huge" difference an expensive line cord can make...
> > LOL...
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>That one is 700ZXE - really fantastic looking with its bigger brother
700ZXL.
> >
> > This machine belongs to Fuad and I will be getting it today to align its
head
> > and will surely listen to it! its Red indicators make it a truly awsome
machine
> > to keep in your Audio Cabinet.
> >
> >>The power chord is supposed to clean up 120V Ac line's hormonics !!!!
All
> >
> > power lines carry quite a lot of noise in the form of hormonics of 60Hz
( in the
> > other world 220V -50Hz!) The cable is supposed to hold ferrite particles
to
> > absorb and damp the hormonics 1 better still; we can ask Jim volpatti to
give us
> > a guide to what that damn chord will do to your AC input
> >
> >>kannan
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> >>Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:59 am
> >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>Wow, that is a truly awesome table full of gear. I had to wipe the
> >>>drool off my
> >>>keyboard. What is that giant Nak? I've never seen such a thing
> >>>before. My god.
> >>>
> >>>So what was the word on the performance of that power cord (which
> >>>I'm assuming
> >>>is that immense black cable in a couple of the pics)? I confess I
> >>>don'tunderstand how a power-cord could make a difference. Sort of
> >>>goes against common
> >>>sense, since the wiring in the house is going to be all 10, 12, 14
> >>>gauge Romex
> >>>anyway (or worse, as in my house, knob-and-tube circa 1920). So
> >>>how does a few
> >>>feet of ultra-high quality connector make a difference? I'm very
> >>>curious to
> >>>know!
> >>>
> >>>Anyway, looks like a wonderful event. Perhaps we can have a
> >>>Pacific Northwest
> >>>Nakfest some day? The beer's better up here ;-)
> >>>best,
> >>>Fred
> >
>
>
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 17 07:12:40 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (carl c)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:12:40 -0800
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
In-Reply-To: <001601c40cab$204329f0$6401a8c0@cn593434a>
Message-ID: <000101c40be6$ddaea390$0702a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>

Perhaps Dean is related to Professor Lirpa?

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Dean Bauer
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:38 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest

Fellow Nakkers,

This chatter has forced me to come out of hiding.  You must believe me
as
this is the honest truth.  By the way, my first Nakamichi was a model
480
purchased in 1980 and which I still own because I just love great
machines
and have trouble parting with them.

I am a man of considerable means and my main love in this life is music
and
audio gear of all sorts.  I have read the high end "tweak" magazines
along
with those written by the "grounded" electronics engineers.  My
education is
based in the sciences and my chosen occupation is chemistry, though you
could call it a hobby.  Once again, the "means" are considerable and
although I could if I wished coast through life, my conscience implores
me
to contribute to society with at least some of the talent God has
provided
to me.  So here I am with the capability of independent thought
(provided by
the grace of God and education), the love of music, and the means to
explore
the "tweaks".  I must also mention that I am stingy with my money.  Who
isn't?  So here is what I have done independently, because I have
learned to
not accept the hype that comes from sales based claims.  Keep in mind
the
rule of diminishing returns.  That last bit of performance from your
gear
will cost an arm, a leg, and quite possibly a few more body parts!

I grew up in the suburbs of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the '70s and
watched from a distance the construction of the Limerick nuclear power
plant. Much later, when I came to be aware that things like the quality
of
power cords might possibly influence my perception of the sound I so
loved,
I moved my residence to just across the Schuykill river from Limerick.
I
must say that at the time, the lack of 60Hz harmonics in my audio gear
due
to my proximity to the power plant was a profound revelation.  But
still, I
was not fully satisfied.  The discord in my music enjoyment became
apparent
when bi-wiring of amps and speakers became common place in the '90s.
When
it finally dawned on me that the Peach Bottom nuke was only tens of
miles
away, I had them run a dedicated line to listening room so that I could
run
the main amps from Limerick and the rest of the system from Peach
Bottom.
There was a certain clarity of sound as a result, but there was also a
nagging ground loop problem.  So how to fix it?  Simple enough really.
Move
to West Chester, PA, midway between the two nukes!  Ground loop solved!
Length of the "power cords" solved!  Talk about balance!  You really
must
hear it for yourself.

One last remark...should you have the opportunity to close in on a power
source like a nuclear or coal fired power plant and thus shorten the
"power
cord" to your audio system, by all means buy it an any cost.  You won't
regret it.

And one last remark for you "tweakers" who sell the outrageously priced
nonsense.  I have yet to hear any mention about the irregular current
that
flows from our sun through our solar system in the form of ionized
protons...the same ones that power the aroras.  You guys just haven't
thought of that yet, huh?

Totally and Most Humbly and Honestly Provided,
Dean


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest


> merten.hermann at bayermaterialscience.com wrote:
> >
> > Hello Nakkers,
> >
> > Now I am curious how good my English is...
>
> You English is excellent, Merten.
>
> >> Nonetheless, there is always someone that 'hears' the
> >> "huge" difference an expensive line cord can make...
> >> LOL...
> >
> > Don't laugh out loud.
>
> Well, as you know, this subject comes up once in a while and
> I find it funny every time... I realize, though, that I am in
> the minority here -- many NakTalkers swear by their line cords
> (let alone, their speaker cables).
>
> > A good powerchord is clearly audible.
>
> Only in sighted tests. Never in the history of mankind was a
> line cord audibly identified in a blind test.
>
> > And it is not about
> > the filtering. It is about the flow of current and induction and
resistance.
> > Even the plug is important. A good cable must ensure that induction
and
> > resistance are low.
>
> I wonder why you thing that line cord resistance is of any
> consequence whatsoever. As to inductance -- how can it be
> important at 60Hz (or 50Hz)?
>
> > This leads to the same effect that a good electromagnetic
> > shielding has. No interference.  Also what is important is the
current
potential.
>
> I am not sure what 'current potential' is. The term doesn't
> appear in any of my engineering and/or physics books.
>
> > Make sure that your system is plugged in only ONE power bar. If you
use
two, you
> > have different current potentials (two wall outlets). And that is
audible.
>
> I assume you are referring to ground loops. If so, you are quite
> correct. However, this has nothing to do with line cords.
>
> > Optimum is if you have all the same powerchords all the same length
to
be sure
> > your system is properly wired.
>
> This is a new one on me. Why on earth would line cords need to be
> of the same length?
>
> > To make you laugh even more: If you start with
> > the powerchords/bars, you will, in most cases, hear a better effect
than
if you
> > change say a speakercable or interconnect. No shit.
>
> Well, if the power cords are good (as all original cords from
> reputable manufacturers are), you will hear no difference at
> all from expensive esoteric cords. Interconnects and speaker
> cables are an entirely different story -- let's not go there
> right now...
>
> > You might want to check out HMS. They are a cable manufacturer from
Germany who
> > also have distribution in the U.S. There is a nice review on
6moons.com
>
> Ah, The Reviews... NOW, I am really laughing...
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> >
> > Merten, from 25°C Germany.
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >                                                 An: Talk about
Nakamichi
Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >                                                 Kopie:
> >                                                 Thema:   Re:
[naktalk]
Re: SF Nakfest
> >
> >               naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> >               Received :  17.03.2004
> >               16:02
> >               Bitte antworten an ra.ah;
> >               Bitte antworten an Talk
> >               about Nakamichi Cassette
> >               Decks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am always amused by the Tweak Society, but never more
> > so than by the power cord chapter.
> >
> > Even assuming the power cord 'cleans up harmonics' (it
> > does not), why would you want to do that? If what you
> > want to clean up is RFI, than any well designed piece
> > of equipment (and, yes, Nak decks are well designed)
> > will contain the appropriate filters. I don't know about
> > the 700ZXL, but the CR-7 has one filter on the power
> > transformer primary, plus a filter on each and every
> > secondary, right before the rectifiers. These filters,
> > of course, are an overkill -- accomplishing more than
> > any line cord could ever hope to.
> >
> > Nonetheless, there is always someone that 'hears' the
> > "huge" difference an expensive line cord can make...
> > LOL...
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>That one is 700ZXE - really fantastic looking with its bigger
brother
700ZXL.
> >
> > This machine belongs to Fuad and I will be getting it today to align
its
head
> > and will surely listen to it! its Red indicators make it a truly
awsome
machine
> > to keep in your Audio Cabinet.
> >
> >>The power chord is supposed to clean up 120V Ac line's hormonics
!!!!
All
> >
> > power lines carry quite a lot of noise in the form of hormonics of
60Hz
( in the
> > other world 220V -50Hz!) The cable is supposed to hold ferrite
particles
to
> > absorb and damp the hormonics 1 better still; we can ask Jim
volpatti to
give us
> > a guide to what that damn chord will do to your AC input
> >
> >>kannan
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> >>Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:59 am
> >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>Wow, that is a truly awesome table full of gear. I had to wipe the
> >>>drool off my
> >>>keyboard. What is that giant Nak? I've never seen such a thing
> >>>before. My god.
> >>>
> >>>So what was the word on the performance of that power cord (which
> >>>I'm assuming
> >>>is that immense black cable in a couple of the pics)? I confess I
> >>>don'tunderstand how a power-cord could make a difference. Sort of
> >>>goes against common
> >>>sense, since the wiring in the house is going to be all 10, 12, 14
> >>>gauge Romex
> >>>anyway (or worse, as in my house, knob-and-tube circa 1920). So
> >>>how does a few
> >>>feet of ultra-high quality connector make a difference? I'm very
> >>>curious to
> >>>know!
> >>>
> >>>Anyway, looks like a wonderful event. Perhaps we can have a
> >>>Pacific Northwest
> >>>Nakfest some day? The beer's better up here ;-)
> >>>best,
> >>>Fred
> >
>
>
>
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>
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Mar 18 09:37:28 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:37:28 -0000
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
In-Reply-To: <001601c40cab$204329f0$6401a8c0@cn593434a>
Message-ID: <000b01c40cc4$3ee784a0$ef7f893e@oemcomputer>

Dean said:
>
> One last remark...should you have the opportunity to close in on a power
> source like a nuclear or coal fired power plant and thus shorten
> the "power
> cord" to your audio system, by all means buy it an any cost.  You won't
> regret it.
>
> And one last remark for you "tweakers" who sell the outrageously priced
> nonsense.  I have yet to hear any mention about the irregular current that
> flows from our sun through our solar system in the form of ionized
> protons...the same ones that power the aroras.  You guys just haven't
> thought of that yet, huh?
>
> Totally and Most Humbly and Honestly Provided,
> Dean
>
>
Do you mean aroras or auras?    I have noticed that different bits of kit
have different auras - some good, some bad.  The bad ones sound bad.
However, this can easily be tweaked, as I suspect the aroras can be, by
using Reiki - one just turns on the Reiki power, preferably calling in the
"highest" source, focusing the power through your head and centring it
within your body and then smoothing the Reiki force out through your hands
across the equipment so that this healing power can do its magic on the
auras of the equipment and improve the sound.  Of course, before this can be
accomplished perfectly, one must have paid out at least $1000 to have
acquired the Reiki Masters qualification - Level 1 or Level 2 just won't do.
But when you have the MASTERS certificate you can then apply Reiki healing
to your buddy's equipment at a distance, from NY to London, if you like,
without ever having to travel to touch the gear.

May the Force be with you, too ...

Grinham
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Mar 18 09:40:20 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:40:20 -0000
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
In-Reply-To: <4058B564.9080603@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c40cc4$a56fafe0$ef7f893e@oemcomputer>

Hey Ron, sit down on the toilet before you read this ... but I just got an
e-Mail from The Cable company selling a special AC power cable that's
designed JUST FOR DVD players...

Gra'

>
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Thu Mar 18 15:52:31 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:52:31 -0500
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
Message-ID: <s0597177.035@mail.anderson.edu>

Carl,
 
Don't forget the most important part about the doctor's (Ph.D.) title,
it's:  Professor "I" Lirpa.  Of course, the "I" stands for the numeral
one, as in April 1, for the uninitiated.  Don't think I would want to be
buying a car from Dean.  Would probably claim it gets 100 miles to the
gallon, due to the balanced ionization.  But that would only be if it
was parked in his driveway for a given period of time, exactly midway
between the two nuclear power plants.   ;oP
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth
 
 


>>> c123666 at comcast.net 03/17/04 01:12AM >>>
Perhaps Dean is related to Professor Lirpa?

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Dean Bauer
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:38 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest

Fellow Nakkers,

This chatter has forced me to come out of hiding.  You must believe me
as
this is the honest truth.  By the way, my first Nakamichi was a model
480
purchased in 1980 and which I still own because I just love great
machines
and have trouble parting with them.

I am a man of considerable means and my main love in this life is
music
and
audio gear of all sorts.  I have read the high end "tweak" magazines
along
with those written by the "grounded" electronics engineers.  My
education is
based in the sciences and my chosen occupation is chemistry, though
you
could call it a hobby.  Once again, the "means" are considerable and
although I could if I wished coast through life, my conscience
implores
me
to contribute to society with at least some of the talent God has
provided
to me.  So here I am with the capability of independent thought
(provided by
the grace of God and education), the love of music, and the means to
explore
the "tweaks".  I must also mention that I am stingy with my money. 
Who
isn't?  So here is what I have done independently, because I have
learned to
not accept the hype that comes from sales based claims.  Keep in mind
the
rule of diminishing returns.  That last bit of performance from your
gear
will cost an arm, a leg, and quite possibly a few more body parts!

I grew up in the suburbs of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the '70s and
watched from a distance the construction of the Limerick nuclear power
plant. Much later, when I came to be aware that things like the
quality
of
power cords might possibly influence my perception of the sound I so
loved,
I moved my residence to just across the Schuykill river from Limerick.
I
must say that at the time, the lack of 60Hz harmonics in my audio gear
due
to my proximity to the power plant was a profound revelation.  But
still, I
was not fully satisfied.  The discord in my music enjoyment became
apparent
when bi-wiring of amps and speakers became common place in the '90s.
When
it finally dawned on me that the Peach Bottom nuke was only tens of
miles
away, I had them run a dedicated line to listening room so that I
could
run
the main amps from Limerick and the rest of the system from Peach
Bottom.
There was a certain clarity of sound as a result, but there was also a
nagging ground loop problem.  So how to fix it?  Simple enough really.
Move
to West Chester, PA, midway between the two nukes!  Ground loop
solved!
Length of the "power cords" solved!  Talk about balance!  You really
must
hear it for yourself.

One last remark...should you have the opportunity to close in on a
power
source like a nuclear or coal fired power plant and thus shorten the
"power
cord" to your audio system, by all means buy it an any cost.  You
won't
regret it.

And one last remark for you "tweakers" who sell the outrageously
priced
nonsense.  I have yet to hear any mention about the irregular current
that
flows from our sun through our solar system in the form of ionized
protons...the same ones that power the aroras.  You guys just haven't
thought of that yet, huh?

Totally and Most Humbly and Honestly Provided,
Dean
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 17 20:09:25 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (carl c)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:09:25 -0800
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
In-Reply-To: <s0597177.035@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <000a01c40c53$60616130$0702a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>

Kent,
Do you by any chance know anybody that has tried one of PrLirpa's fabled
tonearms?  My recollection is they would allow a cartridge to track the
Grand  Canyon.
 
I kid you not; exemplary stuff.
 
Carl
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Kent Merideth
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:53 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
 
Carl,
 
Don't forget the most important part about the doctor's (Ph.D.) title,
it's:  Professor "I" Lirpa.  Of course, the "I" stands for the numeral
one, as in April 1, for the uninitiated.  Don't think I would want to be
buying a car from Dean.  Would probably claim it gets 100 miles to the
gallon, due to the balanced ionization.  But that would only be if it
was parked in his driveway for a given period of time, exactly midway
between the two nuclear power plants.   ;oP
 
Enjoy the music!
 
Kent Merideth
 
 


>>> c123666 at comcast.net 03/17/04 01:12AM >>>
Perhaps Dean is related to Professor Lirpa?

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]
<mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com%5d>  On
Behalf Of Dean Bauer
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:38 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest

Fellow Nakkers,

This chatter has forced me to come out of hiding.  You must believe me
as
this is the honest truth.  By the way, my first Nakamichi was a model
480
purchased in 1980 and which I still own because I just love great
machines
and have trouble parting with them.

I am a man of considerable means and my main love in this life is music
and
audio gear of all sorts.  I have read the high end "tweak" magazines
along
with those written by the "grounded" electronics engineers.  My
education is
based in the sciences and my chosen occupation is chemistry, though you
could call it a hobby.  Once again, the "means" are considerable and
although I could if I wished coast through life, my conscience implores
me
to contribute to society with at least some of the talent God has
provided
to me.  So here I am with the capability of independent thought
(provided by
the grace of God and education), the love of music, and the means to
explore
the "tweaks".  I must also mention that I am stingy with my money.  Who
isn't?  So here is what I have done independently, because I have
learned to
not accept the hype that comes from sales based claims.  Keep in mind
the
rule of diminishing returns.  That last bit of performance from your
gear
will cost an arm, a leg, and quite possibly a few more body parts!

I grew up in the suburbs of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the '70s and
watched from a distance the construction of the Limerick nuclear power
plant. Much later, when I came to be aware that things like the quality
of
power cords might possibly influence my perception of the sound I so
loved,
I moved my residence to just across the Schuykill river from Limerick.
I
must say that at the time, the lack of 60Hz harmonics in my audio gear
due
to my proximity to the power plant was a profound revelation.  But
still, I
was not fully satisfied.  The discord in my music enjoyment became
apparent
when bi-wiring of amps and speakers became common place in the '90s.
When
it finally dawned on me that the Peach Bottom nuke was only tens of
miles
away, I had them run a dedicated line to listening room so that I could
run
the main amps from Limerick and the rest of the system from Peach
Bottom.
There was a certain clarity of sound as a result, but there was also a
nagging ground loop problem.  So how to fix it?  Simple enough really.
Move
to West Chester, PA, midway between the two nukes!  Ground loop solved!
Length of the "power cords" solved!  Talk about balance!  You really
must
hear it for yourself.

One last remark...should you have the opportunity to close in on a power
source like a nuclear or coal fired power plant and thus shorten the
"power
cord" to your audio system, by all means buy it an any cost.  You won't
regret it.

And one last remark for you "tweakers" who sell the outrageously priced
nonsense.  I have yet to hear any mention about the irregular current
that
flows from our sun through our solar system in the form of ionized
protons...the same ones that power the aroras.  You guys just haven't
thought of that yet, huh?

Totally and Most Humbly and Honestly Provided,
Dean
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From cobra2 at online.no  Fri Mar 19 02:26:39 2004
From: cobra2 at online.no (Arne Karlsen)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:26:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby-S:  retro-fit or external?
Message-ID: <000601c40d51$3ab355c0$8812200a@MAIN>

Have anybody tried this?
I have the Dolby S modules from a scrapped Sony, and wondered
if it was possible to retro-fit them inside my Nak, or (simpler), make
an external "module"...
Any pitfalls? Adjustments?

Arne
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Fri Mar 19 03:41:13 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:41:13 EST
Subject: Antwort: Re: [naktalk] Re: SF Nakfest
Message-ID: <12e.3d2e1a46.2d8bb7c9@aol.com>

I BELEIVE THIS GUY DEAN ABOUT HIS BELEIF IN GOD! AND EDUCATION!!  BUT REST 
HIS WRITINGS IN PURE NONSENSE!! AND DONT!! MAKE ANY SENSE!! THANKS!

WITH BEST REGARDS!
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Mar 19 06:21:07 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:21:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] nuclear and  telekenetic Phantom power,
	and audiophile power cords.
Message-ID: <26040-405A8343-12163@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>

hi,congratuulations on achieving ground zero of audio purity through
nuclear power management and reiki transmogrified and recombitant audio
energy.I recently purchased an certificate of  enlightenment(19.95
through the Spiritual Center of Marin,Ca) that has enabled me to
actually achieve the perfect sound balance and clarity with no equipment
whatsoever.,You see,the electro-magnetic audio energy is initiialized in
essentially reikien   form and fashion,however insted of being
"channeled",the energy is "perverted",for lack of a better term , and is
disproportiontly atrophied in a sort of "embryonic stasis".Time being
irrelevant in audio transmisson,and by that I am referring to the double
helix nature of the eienstinian space-time continuam,the basic elements
are "reconstituted"kind of like powdered eggs.Of course,remembering
Entropy and the 2nd Law,the audio information is actually not at a stage
which is acsessible at this point-being essentially  an "oatmeal mush"
or "porridge" if you will.fortunatlly,as i am certified translucent
,omnipresent and omnicient, i am able to 'absorb' this discordant and
chaotic    information and transform it into the "absolute sound".Just
this afternoon i heard an exquisite    bhethhoven violoin concerto-an
ACTUAL Bheethoven Violinconcerto!.......In all sincerity however,i think
a cord like the one that the bay area nakker is selling is THE BEST
idea!why have a cheap 29 cent power cord on my beloved RX303?i waant one
of his powercords and i will get one as soonas i find out how to order
one.

thank you very much,
gerald



From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Mar 19 06:39:27 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:39:27 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby-S:  retro-fit or external?
References: <000601c40d51$3ab355c0$8812200a@MAIN>
Message-ID: <003d01c40d74$8b94aac0$c24b4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

that will be a tricky one
p
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 1:26 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Dolby-S: retro-fit or external?


  Have anybody tried this?
  I have the Dolby S modules from a scrapped Sony, and wondered
  if it was possible to retro-fit them inside my Nak, or (simpler), make
  an external "module"...
  Any pitfalls? Adjustments?

  Arne


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From cobra2 at online.no  Fri Mar 19 08:56:55 2004
From: cobra2 at online.no (Arne Karlsen)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:56:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby-S:  retro-fit or external?
Message-ID: <001001c40d87$bf7b6e60$8812200a@MAIN>

Not much optimism...
The modules have 11 pins; Gnd,+/-6V,input,feedback,line-out,amp-out,rec-out,"zl1","zl3",nc....
And I have the schematics from where they came...
But I do not know how they are controlled.
Can mail pictures & schematics if someone feel the urge....

Arne
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From kh1 at khherrmann.de  Fri Mar 19 14:00:36 2004
From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:00:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD inlays
Message-ID: <20040319140036.21079f06.kh1@khherrmann.de>


Hi,

I just received the CD's (circuitious route to Europe) -- I hadn't really time to listen in yet, but the first glimpses are great. A very wide variety of music -- thank to all involved!

I missed an Inlay for the CD's so I just made one up from Mr. Blues information on his webpage and put them at:

http://khherrmann.de/Naks/


Grab them, comment on them, give me a nice graphic if you want a spiffier Frontpage. Like photos of two of you in running gear passing on a tape...... 


K.-H.






From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Mar 19 15:12:26 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:12:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD inlays
References: <20040319140036.21079f06.kh1@khherrmann.de>
Message-ID: <002f01c40dbc$35654ae0$eb240f9d@johnnyrotten>

Karl-Heinz,

Copied, nice job, many thanks!

John T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" <kh1 at khherrmann.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:00 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD inlays



Hi,

I just received the CD's (circuitious route to Europe) -- I hadn't really
time to listen in yet, but the first glimpses are great. A very wide variety
of music -- thank to all involved!

I missed an Inlay for the CD's so I just made one up from Mr. Blues
information on his webpage and put them at:

http://khherrmann.de/Naks/


Grab them, comment on them, give me a nice graphic if you want a spiffier
Frontpage. Like photos of two of you in running gear passing on a tape......


K.-H.




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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Mar 19 15:19:09 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:19:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD inlays
References: <20040319140036.21079f06.kh1@khherrmann.de>
	<002f01c40dbc$35654ae0$eb240f9d@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <00e901c40dbd$25c4efe0$1410a8c0@tg>

Yes Karl-Heinz, last missing part completed.thanks a lot!!!
Tayfur

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD inlays


> Karl-Heinz,
>
> Copied, nice job, many thanks!
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" <kh1 at khherrmann.de>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:00 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD inlays
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I just received the CD's (circuitious route to Europe) -- I hadn't really
> time to listen in yet, but the first glimpses are great. A very wide
variety
> of music -- thank to all involved!
>
> I missed an Inlay for the CD's so I just made one up from Mr. Blues
> information on his webpage and put them at:
>
> http://khherrmann.de/Naks/
>
>
> Grab them, comment on them, give me a nice graphic if you want a spiffier
> Frontpage. Like photos of two of you in running gear passing on a
tape......
>
>
> K.-H.
>
>
>
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From gwmunger at bestweb.net  Fri Mar 19 15:58:01 2004
From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (GEORGE)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:58:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby-S
References: <200403191100.i2JB0Vju002874@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c40dc2$94130ef0$3501b3d8@MN13683>

If Dolby-S is what you seek, I think that an outboard unit already exists
(from mfgr unknown - perhaps Sony)? A retrofit, with your extra Dolby-S
circuit seems most difficult, inboard or out.

Happy quieting, George Munger



From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Fri Mar 19 17:52:17 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:52:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] nuclear and  telekenetic Phantom power,and
	audiophile power cords.
Message-ID: <s05adefe.039@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Gerald,
 
I want to know what university you received your B.S. (we all know what
that stands for!) degree from.  Also, where the subsequent M.S. (More of
the Same!) degree was awarded.  It appears you are nearing the
acquisition of your Ph.D. (Piled higher and Deeper!), with only your
dissertation to be completed.  When does your "creative writing mode"
run down?  Are you sure you don't live near Wacko, Texas?  Maybe I
misspelled the city, but it seems to fit(Wacko that is, not Waco).  
;oP
 
Your gift of creative communication is, at times, a breath of fresh
air, in a society that quite often forgets how to really laugh.  By the
way, I don't think Einstein liked powdered eggs, especially since he was
an "egghead".
 
Enjoy the Music!
 
Kent
 
              
 
 


>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 03/19/04 12:21AM >>>
hi,congratuulations on achieving ground zero of audio purity through
nuclear power management and reiki transmogrified and recombitant
audio
energy.I recently purchased an certificate of  enlightenment(19.95
through the Spiritual Center of Marin,Ca) that has enabled me to
actually achieve the perfect sound balance and clarity with no
equipment
whatsoever.,You see,the electro-magnetic audio energy is initiialized
in
essentially reikien   form and fashion,however insted of being
"channeled",the energy is "perverted",for lack of a better term , and
is
disproportiontly atrophied in a sort of "embryonic stasis".Time being
irrelevant in audio transmisson,and by that I am referring to the
double
helix nature of the eienstinian space-time continuam,the basic
elements
are "reconstituted"kind of like powdered eggs.Of course,remembering
Entropy and the 2nd Law,the audio information is actually not at a
stage
which is acsessible at this point-being essentially  an "oatmeal mush"
or "porridge" if you will.fortunatlly,as i am certified translucent
,omnipresent and omnicient, i am able to 'absorb' this discordant and
chaotic    information and transform it into the "absolute sound".Just
this afternoon i heard an exquisite    bhethhoven violoin concerto-an
ACTUAL Bheethoven Violinconcerto!.......In all sincerity however,i
think
a cord like the one that the bay area nakker is selling is THE BEST
idea!why have a cheap 29 cent power cord on my beloved RX303?i waant
one
of his powercords and i will get one as soonas i find out how to order
one.

thank you very much,
gerald

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Mar 19 21:03:10 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:03:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] nuclear and  telekenetic Phantom power,and
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0audiophile_power_cords.?=
Message-ID: <27258-405B51FE-4678@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

hi,righto,sorry for being such an idiot

thank you very much,
gerald



From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Fri Mar 19 21:40:42 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:40:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] nuclear and  telekenetic Phantom power,and    
	audiophile power cords.
Message-ID: <s05b148d.060@mail.anderson.edu>

Gerald,
 
My comments were not meant to be derogatory or demeaning.  You are not
an ID ten T (ID10T).  As I indicated, you are occasionally a breath of
fresh air.  Your creative writing often gives me a good chuckle,
sometimes even laughing out loud; a couple times I ended up with tears
in my eyes from laughing so hard.  If you felt I was trying to belittle
you, I apologize.  It was not intended that way.  Do not abandon your
writing skills.  Hope everyone has a great weekend!
 
Enjoy the Music!
 
Kent


>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 03/19/04 03:03PM >>>
hi,righto,sorry for being such an idiot

thank you very much,
gerald

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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Mar 20 02:41:13 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:41:13 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: San Fran NakFest 
Message-ID: <006601c40e1c$6dfd3380$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Greetings NakTalk friends,

I'm catching up with some NakTalk reading and enjoying the posts about the west coast gathering.  You guys appeared to have had a splendid time together.  All of the photos posted on Ti's pages are excellent.  Congratulations on the successful holding of the first Mini-Nakfest in the San Francisco metro area!  I posted a link to Ti's pages on the Marathon Tapes Project webpage, for all us Nakkers to conveniently access the San Fran NakFest photos:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

Indeed, seeing all of those Nak cassette decks together is an awesome sight!!!

Best regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA



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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:25 PM
Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 19

Message: 8
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:59:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] San Fran - mini Nak marathon taping/Naktalkers' meet


Hi all,

Indeed the SF bay area NakFest was a resounding success.  We enjoyed
the meeting and have our TDK MA-XG master of the Mini Marathon Tape ready.

To get a glimpse of what the event like, check out:

http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks/

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Mar 20 06:58:41 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 07:58:41 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] nuclear and  telekenetic Phantom
	power,andaudiophile power cords.
Message-ID: <s05bf9c1.074@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Agreed Kent,

Gerald .......what can we say, find a publisher.  Runyon, S.J.
Perelman, Alan Coren - they need your esteemed company!!

To quote Cleese, "I laughed until I stopped."  

Have a great weekend!!!

Marc

>>> khmerideth at anderson.edu 03/19/04 06:52PM >>>
Hello Gerald,
 
I want to know what university you received your B.S. (we all know
what
that stands for!) degree from.  Also, where the subsequent M.S. (More
of
the Same!) degree was awarded.  It appears you are nearing the
acquisition of your Ph.D. (Piled higher and Deeper!), with only your
dissertation to be completed.  When does your "creative writing mode"
run down?  Are you sure you don't live near Wacko, Texas?  Maybe I
misspelled the city, but it seems to fit(Wacko that is, not Waco).  
;oP
 
Your gift of creative communication is, at times, a breath of fresh
air, in a society that quite often forgets how to really laugh.  By
the
way, I don't think Einstein liked powdered eggs, especially since he
was
an "egghead".
 
Enjoy the Music!
 
Kent
 
              
 
 


>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 03/19/04 12:21AM >>>
hi,congratuulations on achieving ground zero of audio purity through
nuclear power management and reiki transmogrified and recombitant
audio
energy.I recently purchased an certificate of  enlightenment(19.95
through the Spiritual Center of Marin,Ca) that has enabled me to
actually achieve the perfect sound balance and clarity with no
equipment
whatsoever.,You see,the electro-magnetic audio energy is initiialized
in
essentially reikien   form and fashion,however insted of being
"channeled",the energy is "perverted",for lack of a better term , and
is
disproportiontly atrophied in a sort of "embryonic stasis".Time being
irrelevant in audio transmisson,and by that I am referring to the
double
helix nature of the eienstinian space-time continuam,the basic
elements
are "reconstituted"kind of like powdered eggs.Of course,remembering
Entropy and the 2nd Law,the audio information is actually not at a
stage
which is acsessible at this point-being essentially  an "oatmeal mush"
or "porridge" if you will.fortunatlly,as i am certified translucent
,omnipresent and omnicient, i am able to 'absorb' this discordant and
chaotic    information and transform it into the "absolute sound".Just
this afternoon i heard an exquisite    bhethhoven violoin concerto-an
ACTUAL Bheethoven Violinconcerto!.......In all sincerity however,i
think
a cord like the one that the bay area nakker is selling is THE BEST
idea!why have a cheap 29 cent power cord on my beloved RX303?i waant
one
of his powercords and i will get one as soonas i find out how to order
one.

thank you very much,
gerald

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From jbkb at comcast.net  Sat Mar 20 16:01:36 2004
From: jbkb at comcast.net (JBKB)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:01:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Bummed Newbie on the boards...
Message-ID: <MPEILMNMFDMNLGGBLJCDAEEHCBAA.jbkb@comcast.net>

Howdy fellow tape lovers!
Im new to this board, but joined with one specific purpose...to hopefully
get some help/guidance.
I just purchased a Nak 1.5 cassette deck off ebay, it looked to be in
excellent condition, BUT
After only playing about 5 tapes on it, the capstan motor failed, I took it
to my local (only) Nak repair center for it to sit for 3 weeks
before they called and told me the part is no longer available from
Nakamichi...So at present Im totally SOL.
I have over 1500 hours of Live music I NEED to get off these tapes and onto
servers.
My question is...

Can any of you fine audiophiles help me to locate parts for my Nak 1.5?
Refurbs will work if no new ones are available...ANY help OR suggestions is
greatly appreciated!!!
Thx in advance folks.
Sincerely
-Jerm
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Mar 20 15:44:25 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (copytec at coqui.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:44:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco - mini Nak marathon taping /Naktalkers'
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I'm in Toronto, right now, and Canada is full of snow now. Too cold for me.
Carlos




Mensaje citado por Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>:

> Gimli wrote:
> 
> > Well, it sure looks like you guys were warm enough!  It's not freezing
> here
> > in the Uk but it sure ain't warm enough for shorts ...
> 
> Count your blessings, Graham. I am just back in, from
> shoveling my driveway.
> 
> -- Ron, from snowy Massachusetts
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   unless you're playing
> > football, of course!  (And I gave that up years ago ... or rather, it gave
> > me up ...)
> > 
> > Must say I'm tempted by the idea of an International Nak Fest' ... I could
> > do with a good holiday, too.  Either that or I'm going to have my own
> > Hemlock party!!
> > 
> > Gra'
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Sat Mar 20 16:57:34 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:57:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD inlays
References: <20040319140036.21079f06.kh1@khherrmann.de>
Message-ID: <009001c40e94$0f3b4df0$6401a8c0@cn593434a>

Karl,

Thanks very much for the inlays.  Very nice.

Dean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" <kh1 at khherrmann.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:00 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD inlays


>
> Hi,
>
> I just received the CD's (circuitious route to Europe) -- I hadn't really
time to listen in yet, but the first glimpses are great. A very wide variety
of music -- thank to all involved!
>
> I missed an Inlay for the CD's so I just made one up from Mr. Blues
information on his webpage and put them at:
>
> http://khherrmann.de/Naks/
>
>
> Grab them, comment on them, give me a nice graphic if you want a spiffier
Frontpage. Like photos of two of you in running gear passing on a tape......
>
>
> K.-H.
>
>
>
>
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Sat Mar 20 17:08:51 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:08:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] nuclear and  telekenetic Phantom power,
	and audiophile power cords.
References: <26040-405A8343-12163@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <00e901c40e95$a2e77410$6401a8c0@cn593434a>

Gerald,

Thanks for that.  In the new internet parlance; ROTFLMAO.

Dean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 12:21 AM
Subject: [naktalk] nuclear and telekenetic Phantom power,and audiophile
power cords.


> hi,congratuulations on achieving ground zero of audio purity through
> nuclear power management and reiki transmogrified and recombitant audio
> energy.I recently purchased an certificate of  enlightenment(19.95
> through the Spiritual Center of Marin,Ca) that has enabled me to
> actually achieve the perfect sound balance and clarity with no equipment
> whatsoever.,You see,the electro-magnetic audio energy is initiialized in
> essentially reikien   form and fashion,however insted of being
> "channeled",the energy is "perverted",for lack of a better term , and is
> disproportiontly atrophied in a sort of "embryonic stasis".Time being
> irrelevant in audio transmisson,and by that I am referring to the double
> helix nature of the eienstinian space-time continuam,the basic elements
> are "reconstituted"kind of like powdered eggs.Of course,remembering
> Entropy and the 2nd Law,the audio information is actually not at a stage
> which is acsessible at this point-being essentially  an "oatmeal mush"
> or "porridge" if you will.fortunatlly,as i am certified translucent
> ,omnipresent and omnicient, i am able to 'absorb' this discordant and
> chaotic    information and transform it into the "absolute sound".Just
> this afternoon i heard an exquisite    bhethhoven violoin concerto-an
> ACTUAL Bheethoven Violinconcerto!.......In all sincerity however,i think
> a cord like the one that the bay area nakker is selling is THE BEST
> idea!why have a cheap 29 cent power cord on my beloved RX303?i waant one
> of his powercords and i will get one as soonas i find out how to order
> one.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Mar 20 17:27:49 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:27:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Bummed Newbie on the boards...
Message-ID: <7b02f087b04b95.7b04b957b02f08@vsnl.net>

Hi
You need not worry as there are plenty of Cr3 or Dr2 would come by on ebay whose capstan motor could be used and watch for non working or partially working machines for this purpose. I do not know whether Two head naks like Cr2 capstan motor would be allright 
or send an email to: Melissa Bradley <melissa at nakusa.com>
of Nak US parts who might tell you that it is available The address and Ph numbers are
NAK USA, INC.
 
 1500 OLYMPIC BLVD.
 SANTA MONICA, CA 90404
(310) 392-1155 EXT. 231
(310) 392-1030 FAX
Do not give up and you will find a suitable part soon - 
kannan
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Howdy fellow tape lovers!
Im new to this board, but joined with one specific purpose...to hopefully
get some help/guidance.
I just purchased a Nak 1.5 cassette deck off ebay, it looked to be in
excellent condition, BUT
After only playing about 5 tapes on it, the capstan motor failed, I took it
to my local (only) Nak repair center for it to sit for 3 weeks
before they called and told me the part is no longer available from
Nakamichi...So at present Im totally SOL.
I have over 1500 hours of Live music I NEED to get off these tapes and onto
servers.
My question is...

Can any of you fine audiophiles help me to locate parts for my Nak 1.5?
Refurbs will work if no new ones are available...ANY help OR suggestions is
greatly appreciated!!!
Thx in advance folks.
Sincerely
-Jerm

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From RTLehe at aol.com  Sat Mar 20 23:11:09 2004
From: RTLehe at aol.com (RTLehe at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:11:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby-S:  retro-fit or external?
Message-ID: <5726098A.1C39E8E3.0004E774@aol.com>

Transplanting a brain would be easier


From bobf at oodg.net  Thu Mar 18 18:29:12 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:29:12 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] weird auto-reverse deck
In-Reply-To: <20649928@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <200403181728.AQG46692@ms9.verisignmail.com>

IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - 
This is similar to my LX-102 Deck.

They had the DBX-3 chip set and did an excellent job in both record and
playback.
Advantage of the KX-105  over the LX-102 is that it does not have the
retracting 
faceplate that required regular maintenance.

As for performance I really think it would do well but the mechanism was a
bit
fragile if it has been abused.  The LX series had more metal in the
mechanism.

And yes my Alpine 7618 and all the tri amp equipment finally went with the
third car it 
was installed in.  I have not had anything as nice, in the car, since.
IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO -


Bob Folline


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Lifton
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 13:27
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] weird auto-reverse deck

Hi all,
anyone familiar with those old Luxman deck:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3083796371&category=4784

>From the pictures it appears to have a pivoting playback head for
auto-reverse.
How did this mechanism work compared to other Nak solutions? This is clearly
a post-Alpine model, but hey, I've an Alpine 7618 that's outlasted 2 cars.

I'm not interested in buying this deck. Too much fiddley mechanics and that
seller looks awful. But I am intrigued by the device and wonder about it's
performance.

Any ideas?

Fred Lifton
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Mar 21 07:17:53 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:17:53 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] weird auto-reverse deck
References: <200403181728.AQG46692@ms9.verisignmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c40f0c$3f091300$da299bca@aisha>


Also similar to Teac reverse system.  Nakamichi paid huge amount of detail
into tape azimuth and didn't like moving the head a bit, so its solutions -
Dragon and 505 udar - was supposedly more precise .. and much more expensive
!!

I'm using 7618 + 5959 and lost interest to upgrade for years now.
Dangerous.  =)

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Folline
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 12:29 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] weird auto-reverse deck


IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO -
This is similar to my LX-102 Deck.

They had the DBX-3 chip set and did an excellent job in both record and
playback.
Advantage of the KX-105  over the LX-102 is that it does not have the
retracting
faceplate that required regular maintenance.

As for performance I really think it would do well but the mechanism was a
bit
fragile if it has been abused.  The LX series had more metal in the
mechanism.

And yes my Alpine 7618 and all the tri amp equipment finally went with the
third car it
was installed in.  I have not had anything as nice, in the car, since.
IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO - IMHO -


Bob Folline


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Lifton
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 13:27
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] weird auto-reverse deck

Hi all,
anyone familiar with those old Luxman deck:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3083796371&category=4784

>From the pictures it appears to have a pivoting playback head for
auto-reverse.
How did this mechanism work compared to other Nak solutions? This is clearly
a post-Alpine model, but hey, I've an Alpine 7618 that's outlasted 2 cars.

I'm not interested in buying this deck. Too much fiddley mechanics and that
seller looks awful. But I am intrigued by the device and wonder about it's
performance.

Any ideas?

Fred Lifton
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Mar 21 07:23:53 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:23:53 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] nice pics of my rooms  ...
Message-ID: <001f01c40f0d$155fae00$da299bca@aisha>


... in my dream.  Too bad there's no Nak on it.

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15805 

Cheers,
Salim SM




From cobra2 at online.no  Sun Mar 21 14:39:38 2004
From: cobra2 at online.no (Arne Karlsen)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:39:38 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby-S:  retro-fit or external?
Message-ID: <000601c40f49$f4ddeab0$8812200a@MAIN>

Well, I'm not a brain-surgeon, but a electronics-technician....

And I think it is easier....will try, when I find the time.

Arne K
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Mar 21 16:43:10 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] nice pics of my room
Message-ID: <9441-405DB80E-2501@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>

hi,thanks salim for excellent link to those pics.     heres one for
you,except i dont cut and paste yet.   pocketcalculatorshow.com

thank you very much,
gerald



From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 21 16:44:20 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:44:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby-S:  retro-fit or external?
In-Reply-To: <000601c40f49$f4ddeab0$8812200a@MAIN>
Message-ID: <20040321154420.31175.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com>

Are there independent encode and decode channels like in a 3-head
decks or is must they be switched back and forth like in a 2 head
deck?

If there are independent encode and decode channels then I don't see
any reason why your couldn't use them on a Nak MR-1 or any other deck
with NR loops jacks on the back.  The signals are probably already at
line level and all you would need is a power supply (+15V & -15V
probably) and a set of cables.  Dolby S on a Nak would be sweet. 
Next would be trying to figure out how to modify a Nak for HX Pro 
:-) , not that Nak decks need any help in the headroom department.

SJ


--- Arne Karlsen <cobra2 at online.no> wrote:
> Well, I'm not a brain-surgeon, but a electronics-technician....
> 
> And I think it is easier....will try, when I find the time.
> 
> Arne K
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From britri at comcast.net  Mon Mar 22 08:54:25 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:54:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: check these brand new decks
References: <20040316194633.88917.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>
	<6.0.3.0.2.20040317104008.02c04ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <405E9BB1.7080403@comcast.net>

selling for as much or more than a good 2 head nak!  Get to the home 
 page and browse for a minute!

http://www.jackbergsales.com/electronics/SanyoCassetteRecordingDeck.htm

Brian

Marc Denis wrote:

> At 14:46 2004/03/16, you wrote:
>
>>    Does a Nakamichi deck ever need an external tape
>> noise reduction unit, like the one made by DBX, to
>> reduce tape hiss ?
>
>
> It depends how much hiss you can tolerate when listening to your 
> tapes. Typical use of the external loop on the 1000ZXL is with the 
> NR-100 Dolby C adapter. You could instead connect a dbx unit there if 
> you felt you needed it.
>
>> Would such units distort the warmth
>> of the Nakamichi sound ?
>
>
> Noise reduction units typically increase non-linearities in frequency 
> response. This is less of a problem with decks that exhibit very flat 
> frequency response to start with such as the 1000ZXL. Warmth is 
> something that is difficult to quantify. Your opinion on this is as 
> good as any other person's.
>
>
>>    I recently bought a used 1000 ZXL, and it can
>> connect to an external noise reduction unit. Besides,
>> its own dolby system has no effect on the sound at
>> all.
>
>
> Built-in Dolby B has minimal effect on sound quality but it does 
> reduce tape hiss significantly. I personally like Dolby B on a 
> properly calibrated deck.
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Wai-Sze
>
>
> Enjoy your 1000ZXL.
>
> -Marc
>
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Mar 22 12:25:16 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:25:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic
References: <20040319140036.21079f06.kh1@khherrmann.de>
	<002f01c40dbc$35654ae0$eb240f9d@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <017c01c41000$59dc22e0$1410a8c0@tg>

Hi to All,

Anyone who has experience with this machine ;

Harman/Kardon CD-491

As commented it is as good as Tandberg 3014 and Dragon???

Any comments highly appreciated.

Thanks
Tayfur
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From cobra2 at online.no  Mon Mar 22 20:43:12 2004
From: cobra2 at online.no (Arne Karlsen)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:43:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic
Message-ID: <000601c41045$e95cd6e0$8812200a@MAIN>

That what I was going to get, back in '82, when the guy at the
"asylum" told me;" there are tape-decks, and there is NAKAMICHI"
I walked out with a LX-3...

Arne K
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Mar 22 20:51:31 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:51:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] check out these brand new decks
Message-ID: <11725-405F43C3-5091@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

WOW! what some people wont do to turn a profit! I would be willing to
wager that ths this jack ace  got a sizeable  supply of these new old
stock crummy machines at probably less than 20.00 each and hes trying to
make over 150.00 on each deck!

thank you very much,
gerald



From britri at comcast.net  Mon Mar 22 22:36:42 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:36:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic
References: <20040319140036.21079f06.kh1@khherrmann.de>	<002f01c40dbc$35654ae0$eb240f9d@johnnyrotten>
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 22 23:37:30 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:37:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <017c01c41000$59dc22e0$1410a8c0@tg>
Message-ID: <20040322223730.58805.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com>

A friend of mine has one of those CD-491 decks.  It's a beautiful
deck, but, my friends had a strange noise that occasionally popped up
on one of the channels.  I think it would go away if you bang on the
deck.  The recordings sounded great, for a non-Nak, but, it looked
like a major pain in the butt to work on.  I believe his deck is now
dead and he doesn't have the knowledge nor the time to work on it. 
At least with Naks you have a support group you can ask for advice if
it ever needs TLC.

Scott J.

--- Tayfur Gunay <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi to All,
> 
> Anyone who has experience with this machine ;
> 
> Harman/Kardon CD-491
> 
> As commented it is as good as Tandberg 3014 and Dragon???
> 
> Any comments highly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Tayfur
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Tue Mar 23 00:33:27 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:33:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Modifying a Calibrating Nak for PB
	Azimuth Adjust
Message-ID: <405F77C7.8050807@verizon.net>

Hi Folks,

I have 3 Naks - a ZX-7 (one of ESLabs' resto-overhaul machines), a 
682ZX, and a CR-7A. I've been intrigued with the idea of modifying a ZX 
series deck with a PB Head Azimuth adjust - like on the CR-7A; to be 
more accurate like on the DR-1 (a manual knob vs the motorized version 
on the 7A). Even though I don't use it very often; its a real nice 
feature to have. I do my own alignments and minor mechanical work on my 
Naks, but, haven't figured out a reasonably easy way to do the mod. 
Anyone have any ideas ? I think that Jeffrey's guys do or have done this 
mod before.

Mark Barrett
sharpei at verizon.net


From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Mar 23 01:33:07 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:33:07 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Modifying a Calibrating Nak for PB
	Azimuth Adjust
Message-ID: <7d5c7697d5dce8.7d5dce87d5c769@vsnl.net>

There are two issues with Zx7 - if you were to modify -the first one is its record head azimuth is adjustable and you have to have a fixed playback head incase you want to use its azimuth calibration facility to calibrate record level & bias correctly. Socond is that you need different play head mount to shift the azimuth adjust wedge behind the record head to play head keeping the record azimuth fixed. Eslabs should be having correct parts and it is a good idea to ask eslabs to undertake this job as you need alignment gauges and tapes incase you try this mod!
I would buy a new Dragon from ebay which has anyway auto azimuth facility - for the same cost of modding!!! 
kannan

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From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
Date: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:33 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Modifying a Calibrating Nak for PB	Azimuth Adjust

> Hi Folks,
> 
> I have 3 Naks - a ZX-7 (one of ESLabs' resto-overhaul machines), a 
> 682ZX, and a CR-7A. I've been intrigued with the idea of modifying 
> a ZX 
> series deck with a PB Head Azimuth adjust - like on the CR-7A; to 
> be 
> more accurate like on the DR-1 (a manual knob vs the motorized 
> version 
> on the 7A). Even though I don't use it very often; its a real nice 
> feature to have. I do my own alignments and minor mechanical work 
> on my 
> Naks, but, haven't figured out a reasonably easy way to do the 
> mod. 
> Anyone have any ideas ? I think that Jeffrey's guys do or have 
> done this 
> mod before.
> 
> Mark Barrett
> sharpei at verizon.net
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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Tue Mar 23 04:27:27 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:27:27 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20040322.192824.3638.3005910@webmail14.lax.untd.com>


Here is a recent quote from a Nak-er:
Built-in Dolby B has minimal effect on sound quality but it does 
> reduce tape hiss significantly. I personally like Dolby B on a 
> properly calibrated deck.
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Wai-Sze
>
Since I am a newbie to this club, I was wondering if any definite postings on the preferences of Dolby B, C, or S have been made.
  I'd like to leave DBX out of this one.
  I bought a Sony KE1ES deck really cheap. It has a lot of the gizmos, including Dolby S and a bias of 160.
  Sounds terrible...very artifactic (made it up); sounds like a cheap or early cd player.
   On the other hand, my old ears have a difficult time hearing the difference between Dolby C recorded tape when played back on Dolby B.
   Now, in my car, those extra highs are a blessing to overcome motor and road noise.
   After all is said and done, I am leaning toward recording in Dolby B.
   Specs be damned, any good Cd sounds good in whichever Dolby you use.
   I haven't made up my mind about dubbing LPs yet. When it comes to LPs I still tolerate some clicks and pops because there is so much more weight to the music and it rarely sounds sterile. 
   But older decks sound sweet regardless of the dolby used whereas my first venture with a new deck was ridic.
    My old tapes made 20 years ago on a NAK LX-3, still hold up. As do the ones from an AIWA 6900 (shoulda kept that one). My current second system deck is an Onkyo 2080 and it is musical! (But, then again, I never heard a Tandberg cassette deck).
    Any thoughts or suggestions?
   


bob charlanza
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 07:43:15 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:43:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
Message-ID: <20040323064315.97518.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>

I wonder if any one there has a CR-5 user manual which is in a PDF or another printable format who would like to send me. Also I have a couple of questions to ask:
What is the part no/supplier or voltage/wattage of the lamp which is placed behind the cassette compartment.
It seems that what ever I do I cannot calibrate any tape with my CR-5. The bias adjust is all the way turned clockwise, but I still have too much high frequency when I switch the monitor from source to tape.
 
Thanks for a great site!
 
Kind Regards,
Dariush.
 

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From ti at amb.org  Tue Mar 23 08:32:05 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:32:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20040322.192824.3638.3005910@webmail14.lax.untd.com> from
	"bobobozo@netzero.com" at Mar 23, 2004 03:27:27 AM
Message-ID: <200403230732.HAA08214@amb.org>

I used to use Dolby C a lot with my non-Nak decks, and it works well enough.
However, ever since I got a Nak I found that unless you record at too low
a level, noise reduction is rarely necessary.  Playing a tape recorded
with Dolby on a different deck than the one it was recorded on often
results in mismatched reference levels, so the decoded result is sub-optimal.

If you do use Dolby NR, you should always play with the same type (B, C,
whatever) that the tape was recorded with.  Otherwise the high
frequencies sound *very* unnatural.

-Ti
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bobobozo at netzero.com writes:
> Here is a recent quote from a Nak-er:
> Built-in Dolby B has minimal effect on sound quality but it does 
> > reduce tape hiss significantly. I personally like Dolby B on a 
> > properly calibrated deck.
> >
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Wai-Sze
> >
> Since I am a newbie to this club, I was wondering if any definite postings on the preferences of Dolby B, C, or S have been made.
>   I'd like to leave DBX out of this one.
>   I bought a Sony KE1ES deck really cheap. It has a lot of the gizmos, including Dolby S and a bias of 160.
>   Sounds terrible...very artifactic (made it up); sounds like a cheap or early cd player.
>    On the other hand, my old ears have a difficult time hearing the difference between Dolby C recorded tape when played back on Dolby B.
>    Now, in my car, those extra highs are a blessing to overcome motor and road noise.
>    After all is said and done, I am leaning toward recording in Dolby B.
>    Specs be damned, any good Cd sounds good in whichever Dolby you use.
>    I haven't made up my mind about dubbing LPs yet. When it comes to LPs I still tolerate some clicks and pops because there is so much more weight to the music and it rarely sounds sterile. 
>    But older decks sound sweet regardless of the dolby used whereas my first venture with a new deck was ridic.
>     My old tapes made 20 years ago on a NAK LX-3, still hold up. As do the ones from an AIWA 6900 (shoulda kept that one). My current second system deck is an Onkyo 2080 and it is musical! (But, then again, I never heard a Tandberg cassette deck).
>     Any thoughts or suggestions?



From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue Mar 23 09:01:58 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:01:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic
References: <000601c41045$e95cd6e0$8812200a@MAIN>
Message-ID: <006301c410ad$21929e20$1410a8c0@tg>

Thanks a lot to all those for their valuable comments.

TG
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arne Karlsen 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 9:43 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic


  That what I was going to get, back in '82, when the guy at the
  "asylum" told me;" there are tape-decks, and there is NAKAMICHI"
  I walked out with a LX-3...

  Arne K


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From 112orion at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 21 15:27:52 2004
From: 112orion at earthlink.net (Jim Cooley)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:27:52 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] nak decks
Message-ID: <001001c40f50$b212e6c0$0201a8c0@cooley.org>

My Dual Tracer 500 is finally beyond repair. I would like another Nak, if that is still feasible. Are there reasons to purchase a newer digital deck, instead of analog? I am not familiar with many models. Are there any to avoid? Are any better than others? How about parts availability. I have read that belts might no longer be available. Currently, I am considering a 1000 Tri Tracer, a ZX-7, and a BX-125.
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Tue Mar 23 14:23:49 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:23:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] nak decks
Message-ID: <s05ff422.090@mail.anderson.edu>

Out of the decks you mentioned, the ZX-7 would be the one I suggest. 
The 1000TT parts are harder to locate; the BX-125 with its 2-head design
yields heads that will not last as long as the 3-head decks.  Also, the
BX-125 only has a single (affects both channels simultaneously) bias
fine tune control.  The other two have independent adjustments for each
channel for level setting and for bias, which gives a better chance of
getting the best quality signal transfer (what you put in is what you
get out).  You will probably pay more for the ZX-7 than a 1000TT, but it
should last longer and give you a better recording.  If you are
interested in using Dolby C, it is included on the ZX-7 and BX-125, not
on the 1000TT.  Most important of all, the 1000TT is not capable of
recording on metal (ZX) tapes; the ZX-7 and BX-125 are.  The ZX-7 is in
the range of decks that need to have the orange-colored Mylar capacitors
replaced.  They have a bad tendency of changing values, which causes
signal degradation, or failure.  The most critical circuit is the record
bias, which will negatively affect the sound, regardless of what
manufacturer's deck it is played back on.  So there you have it; the
1000TT has poor parts availability and cannot record metal tapes, the
ZX-7 needs to have the orange-colored Mylar capacitors in the signal
paths replaced, the BX-125 heads will not last as long as the others
(plus cannot monitor off tape to set bias easily).  Others may have
better observations and other deck suggestions.
 
Don't forget why we're even bothering to keep Nakin'; it's to enjoy the
music!
 
Kent  

>>> 112orion at earthlink.net 3/21/04 9:27:52 AM >>>

My Dual Tracer 500 is finally beyond repair. I would like another Nak,
if that is still feasible. Are there reasons to purchase a newer digital
deck, instead of analog? I am not familiar with many models. Are there
any to avoid? Are any better than others? How about parts availability.
I have read that belts might no longer be available. Currently, I am
considering a 1000 Tri Tracer, a ZX-7, and a BX-125.

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar 23 15:28:28 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:28:28 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] nak decks
In-Reply-To: <001001c40f50$b212e6c0$0201a8c0@cooley.org>
Message-ID: <000301c410e3$1bfb6f60$e3924c51@oemcomputer>

Jim

Parts is the problem with any Nakamichi cassette deck.  There are some parts
still available, generally for newer models but they can cost a body part to
buy!  Otherwise, it seems a lot of the guys get their parts by buying other
decks, dead or alive, with the same parts they need and cannibalising.  This
may sound like heresy to some but, in your position, if I felt I needed to
stay with analogue, I'd consider a ReVox as parts are still readily
available, esp. for the B215 machines.  On the other hand, as prices of
Nak's are dropping, some really nice machines may be picked up for very
little outlay, which you could run/use until they drop dead.

Graham


  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: 21 March 2004 14:28
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] nak decks


  My Dual Tracer 500 is finally beyond repair. I would like another Nak, if
that is still feasible. Are there reasons to purchase a newer digital deck,
instead of analog? I am not familiar with many models. Are there any to
avoid? Are any better than others? How about parts availability. I have read
that belts might no longer be available. Currently, I am considering a 1000
Tri Tracer, a ZX-7, and a BX-125.
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue Mar 23 15:32:55 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:32:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] nak decks
References: <000301c410e3$1bfb6f60$e3924c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00f401c410e3$bfc2c5d0$1410a8c0@tg>

In the cradle of those Naks, prices for Dragon still around USD 1300 !!!
Hard to believe......

http://www.hifido.co.jp/indexe.html

TG

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:28 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak decks


  Jim

  Parts is the problem with any Nakamichi cassette deck.  There are some parts still available, generally for newer models but they can cost a body part to buy!  Otherwise, it seems a lot of the guys get their parts by buying other decks, dead or alive, with the same parts they need and cannibalising.  This may sound like heresy to some but, in your position, if I felt I needed to stay with analogue, I'd consider a ReVox as parts are still readily available, esp. for the B215 machines.  On the other hand, as prices of Nak's are dropping, some really nice machines may be picked up for very little outlay, which you could run/use until they drop dead.

  Graham


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    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Cooley
    Sent: 21 March 2004 14:28
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] nak decks


    My Dual Tracer 500 is finally beyond repair. I would like another Nak, if that is still feasible. Are there reasons to purchase a newer digital deck, instead of analog? I am not familiar with many models. Are there any to avoid? Are any better than others? How about parts availability. I have read that belts might no longer be available. Currently, I am considering a 1000 Tri Tracer, a ZX-7, and a BX-125.


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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Mar 23 18:25:32 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:25:32 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
References: <20040323064315.97518.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003601c41100$0aea0e80$ba299bca@aisha>


There's no rating on CR7's lamp (should be similar lamp to CR5), but it's
connected straight to 12V.  Old Naks with lamp on cassette door usually use
14V 60mA bulb.  BTW other CR use led.

Sorry can't help much on bias problem.  Might be a component problem (or bad
pot) if it is way off for *all* tape types.  If the bias setting already
correct (ex/zx), is it giving similar recorded level when you compare tape
and source ?

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Mohseni Dariush
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:43 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.


I wonder if any one there has a CR-5 user manual which is in a PDF or
another printable format who would like to send me. Also I have a couple of
questions to ask:
What is the part no/supplier or voltage/wattage of the lamp which is placed
behind the cassette compartment.
It seems that what ever I do I cannot calibrate any tape with my CR-5. The
bias adjust is all the way turned clockwise, but I still have too much high
frequency when I switch the monitor from source to tape.

Thanks for a great site!

Kind Regards,
Dariush.





From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Mar 23 20:38:08 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:38:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
Message-ID: <7f2cdf67f31362.7f313627f2cdf6@vsnl.net>

Hi
 you better register your Nak on Naks.com site and Wouter would help you get the manual. If you have a signal source - try recording 400 Hz first and check whether level is fine and try recording 10 Khz and if you find that recording signal ( source / tape switch ) input - out put is matching if not you can directly adjust the bias presets in side the circuit board to get it correct. There is a good chance that somebody had tried these pots causing bias to come down or Bias oscillator might be weaker causing output to fall from the orginal level. It is better that some Nak technician look over if you are not electronically inclined.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.

> 
> There's no rating on CR7's lamp (should be similar lamp to CR5), 
> but it's
> connected straight to 12V.  Old Naks with lamp on cassette door 
> usually use
> 14V 60mA bulb.  BTW other CR use led.
> 
> Sorry can't help much on bias problem.  Might be a component 
> problem (or bad
> pot) if it is way off for *all* tape types.  If the bias setting 
> alreadycorrect (ex/zx), is it giving similar recorded level when 
> you compare tape
> and source ?
> 
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mohseni Dariush
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:43 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
> 
> 
> I wonder if any one there has a CR-5 user manual which is in a PDF or
> another printable format who would like to send me. Also I have a 
> couple of
> questions to ask:
> What is the part no/supplier or voltage/wattage of the lamp which 
> is placed
> behind the cassette compartment.
> It seems that what ever I do I cannot calibrate any tape with my 
> CR-5. The
> bias adjust is all the way turned clockwise, but I still have too 
> much high
> frequency when I switch the monitor from source to tape.
> 
> Thanks for a great site!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Dariush.
> 
> 
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 20:54:49 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:54:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
In-Reply-To: <003601c41100$0aea0e80$ba299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <20040323195449.61581.qmail@web80809.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Salim,
 
Thank you for the information. I have not tried other types of tapes (they are difficult to find.) I have tried tdk-sa, tdk-sax, maxell xl11, tdk-sm, and tdk-smx. All type 2 tapes and the results are nearly the same with tdk-sa having closer high frequency to the source but still too much of it. There should be some controls inside the box (pot or cap) to regulate the bias.
 
Kind Regards,
Dariush.

Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id> wrote:

There's no rating on CR7's lamp (should be similar lamp to CR5), but it's
connected straight to 12V. Old Naks with lamp on cassette door usually use
14V 60mA bulb. BTW other CR use led.

Sorry can't help much on bias problem. Might be a component problem (or bad
pot) if it is way off for *all* tape types. If the bias setting already
correct (ex/zx), is it giving similar recorded level when you compare tape
and source ?

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Mohseni Dariush
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:43 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.


I wonder if any one there has a CR-5 user manual which is in a PDF or
another printable format who would like to send me. Also I have a couple of
questions to ask:
What is the part no/supplier or voltage/wattage of the lamp which is placed
behind the cassette compartment.
It seems that what ever I do I cannot calibrate any tape with my CR-5. The
bias adjust is all the way turned clockwise, but I still have too much high
frequency when I switch the monitor from source to tape.

Thanks for a great site!

Kind Regards,
Dariush.



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From calijente at gmx.net  Tue Mar 23 21:36:39 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:36:39 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] IC replacement
Message-ID: <003a01c41116$8c6ef090$137cce80@Tweezzy>

Hi all,

Does anybody know what the best replacement for MJM 4558DD is? 

I have a CR2 whose line in amplifier (IC 302) burned out and I was wandering
what I could replace it with. Does anybody know a source of good low noise
dual operational amplifiers? I temporarily replaced it with an old TL 082
(the only dual op. amp. I could find at the local Radio Shack store) to get
it work, but I know this is not the best solution (not that I plan to start
recording on my CR2, but still...).

Thank you in advance,

Gabe





From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Tue Mar 23 22:41:53 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:41:53 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] IC replacement
References: <003a01c41116$8c6ef090$137cce80@Tweezzy>
Message-ID: <06f901c4111f$a91b8d30$22b132d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <calijente at gmx.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:36 AM
Subject: [naktalk] IC replacement


> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody know what the best replacement for MJM 4558DD is?
>
> I have a CR2 whose line in amplifier (IC 302) burned out and I was
wandering
> what I could replace it with. Does anybody know a source of good low noise
> dual operational amplifiers? I temporarily replaced it with an old TL 082
> (the only dual op. amp. I could find at the local Radio Shack store) to
get
> it work, but I know this is not the best solution (not that I plan to
start
> recording on my CR2, but still...).
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Gabe
>
>
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From ti at amb.org  Tue Mar 23 22:46:57 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:46:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: IC replacement
Message-ID: <200403232146.VAA16568@amb.org>

In my previous response, I forgot to mention that if you choose
the Analog Devices AD8620 you will need to use a SOIC-8 to DIP-8
adapter, because the AD8620 only comes in a SOIC-8 package (surface
mount).  The adapter can be found at Mouser or Browndog
http://www.browndog.com

I would recommend this swap only if you are adept at soldering a
surface mount device.  It requires a very fine soldering tip, magnifying
glass, and good soldering skills.

-Ti
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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Tue Mar 23 22:52:30 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:52:30 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20040323.135309.489.587898@webmail10.lax.untd.com>


>From a recent message:
The ZX-7 is in
the range of decks that need to have the orange-colored Mylar capacitors
replaced.  They have a bad tendency of changing values, which causes
signal degradation, or failure. 

What is this capacitor stuff all about.
As you know I'm a newbie.
My main deck is a Cr-7 and is a very late model, so I haven't had to upgrade it in any way.
  However, I am about venture into a 700 tri-tracer.
  Perhaps I should have left well enough alone.
   bob charlanza

bob charlanza
610.775.9354 wknds
570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m.
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From ti at amb.org  Tue Mar 23 22:56:17 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:56:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: IC replacement
Message-ID: <200403232156.VAA16758@amb.org>

I forgot to mention that if you choose the Analog Devices AD8620 you
will need to use a SOIC-8 to DIP-8 adapter, because the AD8620 only
comes in a SOIC-8 package (surface mount).  The adapter can be found
at Mouser http://www.mouser.com or Browndog http://www.browndog.com

I would recommend this swap only if you are adept at soldering a
surface mount device.  It requires a very fine soldering tip, magnifying
glass, and good soldering skills.

-Ti
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   2 4 6

Ti Kan wrote:
> calijente at gmx.net writes:
> > Does anybody know what the best replacement for MJM 4558DD is?
> >
> > I have a CR2 whose line in amplifier (IC 302) burned out and I was wandering
> > what I could replace it with. Does anybody know a source of good low noise
> > dual operational amplifiers? I temporarily replaced it with an old TL 082
> > (the only dual op. amp. I could find at the local Radio Shack store) to get
> > it work, but I know this is not the best solution (not that I plan to start
> > recording on my CR2, but still...).
> 
> The Burr-Brown (now TI) OPA2132, is a good choice (has FET inputs).
> Otherwise, NE5532 is a good older generation bipolar input low noise
> dual op amp.  If the supply voltage is less than 26V single
> or +/-13V dual, you can use the excellent FET-input Analog Devices AD8620.
> 
> For sources of these, try:
> http://www.digikey.com
> http://www.newark.com
> http://www.mouser.com



From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 22:57:31 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:57:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
In-Reply-To: <7f2cdf67f31362.7f313627f2cdf6@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <20040323215731.67254.qmail@web80810.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Kannan,
 
Thank you for your input. I have registered my other Nak (cr-3) with Naks.com, I will do the same with cr-5. So far as I know Nak cr-5 don't have any oscillators to generate any signals (unlike cr-7.) . The level seems to be correct when I switch between source / tape. 
If I knew which pot / cap to adjust, I could do it myself.
I have already changed the idler tire on the cr-5 myself. This mechanism is smoother and less noisy than the cr-3 which uses gears but it needs to be changed every two years.
kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
Hi
you better register your Nak on Naks.com site and Wouter would help you get the manual. If you have a signal source - try recording 400 Hz first and check whether level is fine and try recording 10 Khz and if you find that recording signal ( source / tape switch ) input - out put is matching if not you can directly adjust the bias presets in side the circuit board to get it correct. There is a good chance that somebody had tried these pots causing bias to come down or Bias oscillator might be weaker causing output to fall from the orginal level. It is better that some Nak technician look over if you are not electronically inclined.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki 
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.

> 
> There's no rating on CR7's lamp (should be similar lamp to CR5), 
> but it's
> connected straight to 12V. Old Naks with lamp on cassette door 
> usually use
> 14V 60mA bulb. BTW other CR use led.
> 
> Sorry can't help much on bias problem. Might be a component 
> problem (or bad
> pot) if it is way off for *all* tape types. If the bias setting 
> alreadycorrect (ex/zx), is it giving similar recorded level when 
> you compare tape
> and source ?
> 
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mohseni Dariush
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:43 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
> 
> 
> I wonder if any one there has a CR-5 user manual which is in a PDF or
> another printable format who would like to send me. Also I have a 
> couple of
> questions to ask:
> What is the part no/supplier or voltage/wattage of the lamp which 
> is placed
> behind the cassette compartment.
> It seems that what ever I do I cannot calibrate any tape with my 
> CR-5. The
> bias adjust is all the way turned clockwise, but I still have too 
> much high
> frequency when I switch the monitor from source to tape.
> 
> Thanks for a great site!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Dariush.
> 
> 
> 
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> http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Mar 23 23:27:50 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:27:50 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] IC replacement
Message-ID: <7f393987f35a34.7f35a347f39398@vsnl.net>

You can use OP275 - a better quality opamp. NJM4558 is a bipolar amp and you can use any low noise Bipolar like NE5532. Since line in amp in record circuit handles high level signal - the use of any decent opamp will do unless - you hear a sound difference with differing opamps?
best of luck - but why that opamp burnt out - I am rather cusrious to know?
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: calijente at gmx.net
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:36 pm
Subject: [naktalk] IC replacement

> Hi all,
> 
> Does anybody know what the best replacement for MJM 4558DD is? 
> 
> I have a CR2 whose line in amplifier (IC 302) burned out and I was 
> wanderingwhat I could replace it with. Does anybody know a source 
> of good low noise
> dual operational amplifiers? I temporarily replaced it with an old 
> TL 082
> (the only dual op. amp. I could find at the local Radio Shack 
> store) to get
> it work, but I know this is not the best solution (not that I plan 
> to start
> recording on my CR2, but still...).
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Mar 23 23:50:15 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:50:15 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
Message-ID: <7f335437f3a154.7f3a1547f33543@vsnl.net>

Hi Dariush
You need an external signal generator or  a test Cd ( available at MCM electronics) with Sine wave signals of different frequencies including 20 Khz. you also need CR 5 service manual to do this. One who trying this also should have some understanding of electronics as well! recently I found an IC TA9145P was not working due to failed PS bypass capacitor. With this faulty working chip I cold not set different level setting for differing type of tapes on the CR 3A! So your problem could be due to seomething that we normally might have not expected?. It is better to get this done by a nak technician who has the tools and knowledge to do it straightaway. Few of us had spent hours of our time learning the inside of Nak decks and money as well as few screwed up Naks on the way to learning the ropes! best of luck
kannan 
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Hello Kannan,
 
Thank you for your input. I have registered my other Nak (cr-3) with Naks.com, I will do the same with cr-5. So far as I know Nak cr-5 don't have any oscillators to generate any signals (unlike cr-7.) . The level seems to be correct when I switch between source / tape. 
If I knew which pot / cap to adjust, I could do it myself.
I have already changed the idler tire on the cr-5 myself. This mechanism is smoother and less noisy than the cr-3 which uses gears but it needs to be changed every two years.
kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
Hi
you better register your Nak on Naks.com site and Wouter would help you get the manual. If you have a signal source - try recording 400 Hz first and check whether level is fine and try recording 10 Khz and if you find that recording signal ( source / tape switch ) input - out put is matching if not you can directly adjust the bias presets in side the circuit board to get it correct. There is a good chance that somebody had tried these pots causing bias to come down or Bias oscillator might be weaker causing output to fall from the orginal level. It is better that some Nak technician look over if you are not electronically inclined.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki 
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.

> 
> There's no rating on CR7's lamp (should be similar lamp to CR5), 
> but it's
> connected straight to 12V. Old Naks with lamp on cassette door 
> usually use
> 14V 60mA bulb. BTW other CR use led.
> 
> Sorry can't help much on bias problem. Might be a component 
> problem (or bad
> pot) if it is way off for *all* tape types. If the bias setting 
> alreadycorrect (ex/zx), is it giving similar recorded level when 
> you compare tape
> and source ?
> 
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mohseni Dariush
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:43 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
> 
> 
> I wonder if any one there has a CR-5 user manual which is in a PDF or
> another printable format who would like to send me. Also I have a 
> couple of
> questions to ask:
> What is the part no/supplier or voltage/wattage of the lamp which 
> is placed
> behind the cassette compartment.
> It seems that what ever I do I cannot calibrate any tape with my 
> CR-5. The
> bias adjust is all the way turned clockwise, but I still have too 
> much high
> frequency when I switch the monitor from source to tape.
> 
> Thanks for a great site!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Dariush.
> 
> 
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
> ========= Register your Nak today! 
> http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> --------------------------=========
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> Maintain your account here: 
> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
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<DIV>Hello Kannan,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for your input. I have registered my other Nak (cr-3) with Naks.com, I will do the same with cr-5. So far as I know Nak cr-5 don't have any oscillators to generate any signals (unlike cr-7.) . The level seems to be correct when I switch between source / tape. </DIV>
<DIV>If I knew which pot / cap to adjust, I&nbsp;could&nbsp;do it myself.</DIV>
<DIV>I have already changed the&nbsp;idler tire on the cr-5 myself. This mechanism is&nbsp;smoother and less noisy&nbsp;than the cr-3 which uses gears but it needs to be changed every two years.</DIV>
<DIV><B><I>kannan_s at vsnl.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi<BR>you better register your Nak on Naks.com site and Wouter would help you get the manual. If you have a signal source - try recording 400 Hz first and check whether level is fine and try recording 10 Khz and if you find that recording signal ( source / tape switch ) input - out put is matching if not you can directly adjust the bias presets in side the circuit board to get it correct. There is a good chance that somebody had tried these pots causing bias to come down or Bias oscillator might be weaker causing output to fall from the orginal level. It is better that some Nak technician look over if you are not electronically inclined.<BR>kannan<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Salim Marzuki <SMARZUKI at INDOSAT.NET.ID><BR>Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:25 am<BR>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual &amp; few questions.<BR><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; There's no rating on CR7's!
  lamp
 (should be similar lamp to CR5), <BR>&gt; but it's<BR>&gt; connected straight to 12V. Old Naks with lamp on cassette door <BR>&gt; usually use<BR>&gt; 14V 60mA bulb. BTW other CR use led.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Sorry can't help much on bias problem. Might be a component <BR>&gt; problem (or bad<BR>&gt; pot) if it is way off for *all* tape types. If the bias setting <BR>&gt; alreadycorrect (ex/zx), is it giving similar recorded level when <BR>&gt; you compare tape<BR>&gt; and source ?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Salim SM<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; From: Mohseni Dariush<BR>&gt; To: naktalk at naks.com<BR>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:43 PM<BR>&gt; Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual &amp; few questions.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I wonder if any one there has a CR-5 user manual which is in a PDF or<BR>&gt; another printable format who would like to send me. Also I have a <BR>&gt; couple of<BR>&gt; questions to ask:<BR>&gt; What is the part no/supplier or
 voltage/wattage of the lamp which <BR>&gt; is placed<BR>&gt; behind the cassette compartment.<BR>&gt; It seems that what ever I do I cannot calibrate any tape with my <BR>&gt; CR-5. The<BR>&gt; bias adjust is all the way turned clockwise, but I still have too <BR>&gt; much high<BR>&gt; frequency when I switch the monitor from source to tape.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks for a great site!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Kind Regards,<BR>&gt; Dariush.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ========---------------------------------------------------------<BR>&gt; ========= Register your Nak today! <BR>&gt; http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------<BR>&gt; --------------------------=========<BR>&gt; Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist<BR>&gt; Maintain your account here: <BR>&gt; http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------<BR>&gt; ------------------------------------------=========<BR>&gt;
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From mdunn at cantares.on.ca  Wed Mar 24 00:41:00 2004
From: mdunn at cantares.on.ca (Michael Dunn)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:41:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] IC replacement
In-Reply-To: <7f393987f35a34.7f35a347f39398@vsnl.net>
References: <7f393987f35a34.7f35a347f39398@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <a05100303bc867ab531a8@[192.168.2.142]>

    IMO, the OPA2134 is better than any mentioned below.  I can supply 
some at a reasonable cost if you don't want to order from a 
distributor (check Digikey.com).  I also have OP275s and OP285s...



    At 2:27 PM -0800 2004/3/23, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
>You can use OP275 - a better quality opamp. NJM4558 is a bipolar amp 
>and you can use any low noise Bipolar like NE5532. Since line in amp 
>in record circuit handles high level signal - the use of any decent 
>opamp will do unless - you hear a sound difference with differing 
>opamps?
>best of luck - but why that opamp burnt out - I am rather cusrious to know?
>kannan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: calijente at gmx.net
>Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:36 pm
>Subject: [naktalk] IC replacement
>
>>  Hi all,
>>
>>  Does anybody know what the best replacement for MJM 4558DD is?
>>
>>  I have a CR2 whose line in amplifier (IC 302) burned out and I was
>>  wanderingwhat I could replace it with. Does anybody know a source
>>  of good low noise
>>  dual operational amplifiers? I temporarily replaced it with an old
>>  TL 082
>>  (the only dual op. amp. I could find at the local Radio Shack
>>  store) to get
>>  it work, but I know this is not the best solution (not that I plan
>>  to start
>>  recording on my CR2, but still...).
>>
>>  Thank you in advance,
>>
>>  Gabe
>>
>>
>>
>>  ========---------------------------------------------------------
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>>  http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
>>  --------------------------=========
>>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
>>  Maintain your account here:
>>  http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
>>  ------------------------------------------=========
>>
>
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 02:36:09 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:36:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
In-Reply-To: <7f335437f3a154.7f3a1547f33543@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <20040324013609.23237.qmail@web80803.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Kannan,
 
Thank you for your reply. I forgot to mention in my e-mail that when I turn the bias pot, the amount of high frequency changes, so it is working. But it seems that I need to find the pot / cap inside the box the regulate the bias. I can use intra FM station frequency to generate a high frequency signal. 
 
This is all great! There is good camaraderie between the Nak users. And I have learned a lot since I started communicating with other Nak users.
 
Kind Regards,
Dariush. 

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
Hi Dariush
You need an external signal generator or a test Cd ( available at MCM electronics) with Sine wave signals of different frequencies including 20 Khz. you also need CR 5 service manual to do this. One who trying this also should have some understanding of electronics as well! recently I found an IC TA9145P was not working due to failed PS bypass capacitor. With this faulty working chip I cold not set different level setting for differing type of tapes on the CR 3A! So your problem could be due to seomething that we normally might have not expected?. It is better to get this done by a nak technician who has the tools and knowledge to do it straightaway. Few of us had spent hours of our time learning the inside of Nak decks and money as well as few screwed up Naks on the way to learning the ropes! best of luck
kannan 
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Hello Kannan,

Thank you for your input. I have registered my other Nak (cr-3) with Naks.com, I will do the same with cr-5. So far as I know Nak cr-5 don't have any oscillators to generate any signals (unlike cr-7.) . The level seems to be correct when I switch between source / tape. 
If I knew which pot / cap to adjust, I could do it myself.
I have already changed the idler tire on the cr-5 myself. This mechanism is smoother and less noisy than the cr-3 which uses gears but it needs to be changed every two years.
kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
Hi
you better register your Nak on Naks.com site and Wouter would help you get the manual. If you have a signal source - try recording 400 Hz first and check whether level is fine and try recording 10 Khz and if you find that recording signal ( source / tape switch ) input - out put is matching if not you can directly adjust the bias presets in side the circuit board to get it correct. There is a good chance that somebody had tried these pots causing bias to come down or Bias oscillator might be weaker causing output to fall from the orginal level. It is better that some Nak technician look over if you are not electronically inclined.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki 
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.

> 
> There's no rating on CR7's lamp (should be similar lamp to CR5), 
> but it's
> connected straight to 12V. Old Naks with lamp on cassette door 
> usually use
> 14V 60mA bulb. BTW other CR use led.
> 
> Sorry can't help much on bias problem. Might be a component 
> problem (or bad
> pot) if it is way off for *all* tape types. If the bias setting 
> alreadycorrect (ex/zx), is it giving similar recorded level when 
> you compare tape
> and source ?
> 
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mohseni Dariush
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:43 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
> 
> 
> I wonder if any one there has a CR-5 user manual which is in a PDF or
> another printable format who would like to send me. Also I have a 
> couple of
> questions to ask:
> What is the part no/supplier or voltage/wattage of the lamp which 
> is placed
> behind the cassette compartment.
> It seems that what ever I do I cannot calibrate any tape with my 
> CR-5. The
> bias adjust is all the way turned clockwise, but I still have too 
> much high
> frequency when I switch the monitor from source to tape.
> 
> Thanks for a great site!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Dariush.
> 
> 
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
> ========= Register your Nak today! 
> http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> --------------------------=========
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> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
> ------------------------------------------=========
> 

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Hello Kannan,

 

Thank you for your input. I have registered my other Nak (cr-3) with Naks.com, I will do the same with cr-5. So far as I know Nak cr-5 don't have any oscillators to generate any signals (unlike cr-7.) . The level seems to be correct when I switch between source / tape. 

If I knew which pot / cap to adjust, I could do it myself.

I have already changed the idler tire on the cr-5 myself. This mechanism is smoother and less noisy than the cr-3 which uses gears but it needs to be changed every two years.

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:

Hi
you better register your Nak on Naks.com site and Wouter would help you get the manual. If you have a signal source - try recording 400 Hz first and check whether level is fine and try recording 10 Khz and if you find that recording signal ( source / tape switch ) input - out put is matching if not you can directly adjust the bias presets in side the circuit board to get it correct. There is a good chance that somebody had tried these pots causing bias to come down or Bias oscillator might be weaker causing output to fall from the orginal level. It is better that some Nak technician look over if you are not electronically inclined.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki 
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.

> 
> There's no rating on CR7's!
lamp
(should be similar lamp to CR5), 
> but it's
> connected straight to 12V. Old Naks with lamp on cassette door 
> usually use
> 14V 60mA bulb. BTW other CR use led.
> 
> Sorry can't help much on bias problem. Might be a component 
> problem (or bad
> pot) if it is way off for *all* tape types. If the bias setting 
> alreadycorrect (ex/zx), is it giving similar recorded level when 
> you compare tape
> and source ?
> 
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mohseni Dariush
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:43 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
> 
> 
> I wonder if any one there has a CR-5 user manual which is in a PDF or
> another printable format who would like to send me. Also I have a 
> couple of
> questions to ask:
> What is the part no/supplier or
voltage/wattage of the lamp which 
> is placed
> behind the cassette compartment.
> It seems that what ever I do I cannot calibrate any tape with my 
> CR-5. The
> bias adjust is all the way turned clockwise, but I still have too 
> much high
> frequency when I switch the monitor from source to tape.
> 
> Thanks for a great site!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Dariush.
> 
> 
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> --------------------------=========
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Mar 24 03:50:04 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 02:50:04 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
References: <20040323.135309.489.587898@webmail10.lax.untd.com>
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i thought the orange caps were polypropolene-tha annotation on the cct
diagram is pp next to them
phill
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>
> >From a recent message:
> The ZX-7 is in
> the range of decks that need to have the orange-colored Mylar capacitors
> replaced.  They have a bad tendency of changing values, which causes
> signal degradation, or failure.
>
> What is this capacitor stuff all about.
> As you know I'm a newbie.
> My main deck is a Cr-7 and is a very late model, so I haven't had to
upgrade it in any way.
>   However, I am about venture into a 700 tri-tracer.
>   Perhaps I should have left well enough alone.
>    bob charlanza
>
> bob charlanza
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> 570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m.
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From calijente at gmx.net  Wed Mar 24 04:56:26 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:56:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
In-Reply-To: <200403232156.VAA16758@amb.org>
Message-ID: <001501c41153$fbd38e40$137cce80@Tweezzy>

I have checked the data sheets of all opamps you guys recommended and they
are all great! 

OPA 2134 has the lowest distortions (<0.0008%) and a very low noise (8
nV/sqrt Hz);
OP 275 has lower noise (6 nV/sqrt Hz) but bigger distortions (0.006%);
AD 8620 also has a very low noise (6 nV/sqrt Hz) and low distortions
(0.006%); I never used SMD's so I am not at all proficient in this kind of
soldering.

All of them are way better then the current TL 082 (<0.02 % harmonic
distortions and 16 nV/sqrt Hz noise). 

I will probably go for OPA 2134, but I am not sure yet.

I might not notice any difference in the sound quality, but at least I would
know I did the best I could ;-)

Thanks to all of you guys for the useful info,
Gabe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:56 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Cc: calijente at gmx.net
> Subject: Re: IC replacement
> 
> 
> I forgot to mention that if you choose the Analog Devices 
> AD8620 you will need to use a SOIC-8 to DIP-8 adapter, 
> because the AD8620 only comes in a SOIC-8 package (surface 
> mount).  The adapter can be found at Mouser 
> http://www.mouser.com or Browndog > http://www.browndog.com
> 
> I 
> would recommend this swap only if 
> you are adept at soldering a surface mount device.  It 
> requires a very fine soldering tip, magnifying glass, and 
> good soldering skills.
> 
> -Ti
> -- 
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
> 
> Ti Kan wrote:
> > calijente at gmx.net writes:
> > > Does anybody know what the best replacement for MJM 4558DD is?
> > >
> > > I have a CR2 whose line in amplifier (IC 302) burned out 
> and I was 
> > > wandering what I could replace it with. Does anybody know 
> a source 
> > > of good low noise dual operational amplifiers? I temporarily 
> > > replaced it with an old TL 082 (the only dual op. amp. I 
> could find 
> > > at the local Radio Shack store) to get it work, but I 
> know this is 
> > > not the best solution (not that I plan to start recording 
> on my CR2, 
> > > but still...).
> > 
> > The Burr-Brown (now TI) OPA2132, is a good choice (has FET inputs). 
> > Otherwise, NE5532 is a good older generation bipolar input 
> low noise 
> > dual op amp.  If the supply voltage is less than 26V single 
> or +/-13V 
> > dual, you can use the excellent FET-input Analog Devices AD8620.
> > 
> > For sources of these, try:
> > http://www.digikey.com
> > http://www.newark.com
> > http://www.mouser.com
> 
> 





From calijente at gmx.net  Wed Mar 24 04:56:26 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:56:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] IC replacement
In-Reply-To: <7f393987f35a34.7f35a347f39398@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001601c41153$fc1fd980$137cce80@Tweezzy>


> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] IC replacement

> luck - but why that opamp burnt out - I am rather cusrious to 
> know? kannan

I don't know what actually happened there (ageing, maybe?!) The symptoms
were:
1) High irregular noise on the left channel in recording mode, superimposed
on the input signal (the right channel was OK)
2) Noise level increased by reducing the recording level from the line in
pot and diminished by increasing the recording level

I initially suspected the orange cap disease, but I couldn't spot any orange
cap in my CR2. I localized the malfunction in the line in amplifier
(injecting the signal directly into the dolby circuit provided a noiseless
output signal). I then suspected the electrolytic capacitors, the rec
level/balance potentiometers and all the passive components, cold solder
joints, cables etc. The IC was the last thing I was thinking about. Finally,
replacing the op amp with TL 082 solved the problem.

Gabe





From lyra at abc.lt  Wed Mar 24 07:13:33 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:13:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
References: <001501c41153$fbd38e40$137cce80@Tweezzy>
Message-ID: <002901c41167$231ea0d0$c93ffea9@Tado>

Hi Gabe!

Lower measured distortion doesn't mean better sound or performance. It can
be achieved using lot of negative feedback, which have bad effect on sound
quality.

Best regards,
Tadas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <calijente at gmx.net>
To: "'Ti Kan'" <ti at amb.org>; <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:56 AM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement


> I have checked the data sheets of all opamps you guys recommended and they
> are all great!
>
> OPA 2134 has the lowest distortions (<0.0008%) and a very low noise (8
> nV/sqrt Hz);
> OP 275 has lower noise (6 nV/sqrt Hz) but bigger distortions (0.006%);
> AD 8620 also has a very low noise (6 nV/sqrt Hz) and low distortions
> (0.006%); I never used SMD's so I am not at all proficient in this kind of
> soldering.
>
> All of them are way better then the current TL 082 (<0.02 % harmonic
> distortions and 16 nV/sqrt Hz noise).
>
> I will probably go for OPA 2134, but I am not sure yet.
>
> I might not notice any difference in the sound quality, but at least I
would
> know I did the best I could ;-)
>
> Thanks to all of you guys for the useful info,
> Gabe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:56 PM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Cc: calijente at gmx.net
> > Subject: Re: IC replacement
> >
> >
> > I forgot to mention that if you choose the Analog Devices
> > AD8620 you will need to use a SOIC-8 to DIP-8 adapter,
> > because the AD8620 only comes in a SOIC-8 package (surface
> > mount).  The adapter can be found at Mouser
> > http://www.mouser.com or Browndog > http://www.browndog.com
> >
> > I
> > would recommend this swap only if
> > you are adept at soldering a surface mount device.  It
> > requires a very fine soldering tip, magnifying glass, and
> > good soldering skills.
> >
> > -Ti
> > -- 
> >  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
> >  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
> >    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
> >    2 4 6
> >
> > Ti Kan wrote:
> > > calijente at gmx.net writes:
> > > > Does anybody know what the best replacement for MJM 4558DD is?
> > > >
> > > > I have a CR2 whose line in amplifier (IC 302) burned out
> > and I was
> > > > wandering what I could replace it with. Does anybody know
> > a source
> > > > of good low noise dual operational amplifiers? I temporarily
> > > > replaced it with an old TL 082 (the only dual op. amp. I
> > could find
> > > > at the local Radio Shack store) to get it work, but I
> > know this is
> > > > not the best solution (not that I plan to start recording
> > on my CR2,
> > > > but still...).
> > >
> > > The Burr-Brown (now TI) OPA2132, is a good choice (has FET inputs).
> > > Otherwise, NE5532 is a good older generation bipolar input
> > low noise
> > > dual op amp.  If the supply voltage is less than 26V single
> > or +/-13V
> > > dual, you can use the excellent FET-input Analog Devices AD8620.
> > >
> > > For sources of these, try:
> > > http://www.digikey.com
> > > http://www.newark.com
> > > http://www.mouser.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From ti at amb.org  Wed Mar 24 07:56:15 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:56:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
In-Reply-To: <002901c41167$231ea0d0$c93ffea9@Tado> from "Tadas Motiejunas" at
	Mar 24, 2004 08:13:33 AM
Message-ID: <200403240656.GAA19233@amb.org>

Yes, you are right that the distortion specification bears little
relevance to the sound unless it's grossly high.

A lot of negative feedback is basically a given for simple op amp
gain stages.  Most op amps have an open loop gain of well over 100dB...

However, that alone isn't necessarily that terrible if the op amp has
good gain-bandwidth product, slew rate and settling time performance.
Harmonic distortion, noise, DC offset, output drive capability, and
other factors should all be considered when choosing an op amp.

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6

Tadas Motiejunas writes:
> Lower measured distortion doesn't mean better sound or performance. It can
> be achieved using lot of negative feedback, which have bad effect on sound
> quality.




From sharpei at verizon.net  Wed Mar 24 10:18:19 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:18:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk subject: Nak Decks
Message-ID: <4061525B.9020300@verizon.net>

The ZX-7 is a fine deck and would be my #2 choice. My 1st choice would 
be the CR-7A. I have both as well as a 682ZX and my CR-7A seems to make 
just a little bit better tape than the other 2 decks. I can achieve the 
same level of performance with the other two, but, its not as easy to 
do. I believe the CR-7 meters have the highest resolution of any of the 
Nak decks (number of segments). Along with the quick response time and 
peak hold feature; I believe that allows very accurate setting of the 
record level. And, once properly aligned, the autocal circuitry seems to 
be unusually accurate. Add in the PB azimuth adjust and real time 
digital tape counter and you have my favorite Nak.
On the ZX-7, I have to be very careful about record levels with high 
bias tape to avoid oversaturating the tape. And to get peak high freq 
response on high bias tapes, I have to be very particular about the bias 
and level cal just before recording.

Mark


From sharpei at verizon.net  Wed Mar 24 10:26:13 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:26:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Dolby C
Message-ID: <40615435.4030508@verizon.net>

I've heard a bit of talk here about Dolby - using it, only using "B", 
not using it, etc. I'm a big fan of Dolby C because it provides 
substantially more noise reduction and it also incorporates 
anti-saturation circuits to give more headroom on the tape, improving 
high freq response. In the Audio magazine review of the ZX-7 (1980 or 81 
I believe), the +/- 3db level dropoff for high bias tape went from 
approx 11kHz (no Dolby) to over 20kHz (with Dolby C) at a record level 
defined as "Dolby Level" - probably 0 to +1 dB.
In short:
If the deck is aligned and you'll be playing it on that deck or other 
known aligned decks, I recommend using it. If the deck is out of 
alignment, be careful as Dolby C is much less forgiving if it mistracks. 
Use Dolby B instead.

Mark


From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Wed Mar 24 14:23:22 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:23:22 EST
Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
Message-ID: <9d.46101efc.2d92e5ca@aol.com>

HI GUYS!  RECENTLY BROUGHT A REVOX B-710 MK1  , IT POWERS UP BUT NONE OF THE 
TRANSPORT BUTTON IS WORKING ANY HELP WITH  A SERIVCE MANUAL THAT CAN BE SENT 
VIA EMAIL WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED AS ONE NICE SOUL SEND ME ONE FOR  MY 
NAKAMICHI RX-505!   SORRY TO BOTHER YOU GUYS WITH THIS REVOX I KNOW ITS A NAK TAPE 
DECK SITE BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE OTHER TAPE DECKS SURELY SOME ONE HAS  A 
SPARE SERVICE MANUAL IN PDF FORM THAT THEY CAN SEND ME??!!   SAD! TO SAY THEIR 
IS NO ENGLISH SITE LIKE THIS GREAT NAK TALK WE HAVE THE ONE I FOUND WAS IN 
GERMAN! AND LEFT A MESSAGE THERE BUT NO ONE RESPONDED!  I CAN FIND REVOX USA PHONE 
NUMBER!   I THINK THE IC THAT CONTROL THE TAPE TRANSPORT LOGIC IS OUT HENCE 
ITS NOT WORK ALLOWING THE TAPE DECK TO PLAY/RECORD / FAST FOWARD , ETC. THE 
TAPEDECK IS IN ALMOST MINT CONDITION COSMETICALLY! AND LOOKS EVEN BETTER MADE 
THEN MY NAKAMICHI DRAGON!

ANY HELP!! TO MAKE IT WORK WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!! THE PRE-AMP SECTION 
IS NOT WORKING EITHER!! WOW!! TALK ABOUT A LOTS OF PROBLEM!!

THANKS GUYS!!

WITH BEST REGARDS!
ALI
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Mar 24 14:59:03 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:59:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
In-Reply-To: <200403240656.GAA19233@amb.org>
References: <200403240656.GAA19233@amb.org>
Message-ID: <40619427.3050907@rcn.com>

Ti Kan wrote:
> Yes, you are right that the distortion specification bears little
> relevance to the sound unless it's grossly high.
> 
> A lot of negative feedback is basically a given for simple op amp
> gain stages.  Most op amps have an open loop gain of well over 100dB...
> 
> However, that alone isn't necessarily that terrible if the op amp has
> good gain-bandwidth product, slew rate and settling time performance.
> Harmonic distortion, noise, DC offset, output drive capability, and
> other factors should all be considered when choosing an op amp.
> 
> -Ti

Quite true. However, it seems to me that searching for
the ultimate op-amp for a CR-2 is a waste of time. I
doubt the change from the TL-082 will make any audible
difference whatsoever. There are too many other factors
that will completely swamp it.

BTW, I find that slurs against NFB is usually made by
people that have no idea what NFB is.

-- Ron




From lyra at abc.lt  Wed Mar 24 15:29:41 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:29:41 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
References: <200403240656.GAA19233@amb.org> <40619427.3050907@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c411ac$71ee5b70$040310ac@lyra2>

Dear Ron,

This time you overshoot, I know what NFB is very well :) And the difference
between various op-amps is clearly audible. What are these factors that will
completely swamp it? If your proposition is right, there is even no
difference what cassette tape is used, because the difference will be
swamped anyway? No offence was meant.

Regards,
Tadas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 15:59
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement


>
> Quite true. However, it seems to me that searching for
> the ultimate op-amp for a CR-2 is a waste of time. I
> doubt the change from the TL-082 will make any audible
> difference whatsoever. There are too many other factors
> that will completely swamp it.
>
> BTW, I find that slurs against NFB is usually made by
> people that have no idea what NFB is.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
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From Waynekellner2003 at aol.com  Wed Mar 24 15:35:33 2004
From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com (Waynekellner2003 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:35:33 EST
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1e9.1c131135.2d92f6b5@aol.com>

I have a CR2A deck that I purchased off EBAY. It did not have a drive belt 
when I received it. Does anyone have the belt dimensions? And, does anyone have 
the Nakamichi part number for the belt? I am thinking of putting a generic 
belt on rather than a Nak belt. Any comments? Thanks to all. 
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From calijente at gmx.net  Wed Mar 24 18:08:36 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:08:36 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
In-Reply-To: <200403240656.GAA19233@amb.org>
Message-ID: <000e01c411c2$a614dfd0$137cce80@Tweezzy>

I fully agree with you guys, there are many parameters to take into
consideration when you choose an op amp. 

However, in this particular context (replacing an opamp in a given audio
application) I thought THD and noise were the most relevant, even though
they might not dramatically influence the quality of sound.

It's better to compare somethimg then nothing, or isn't it?

Gabe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ti Kan
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:56 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
> 
> 
> Yes, you are right that the distortion specification bears 
> little relevance to the sound unless it's grossly high.
> 
> A lot of negative feedback is basically a given for simple op 
> amp gain stages.  Most op amps have an open loop gain of well 
> over 100dB...
> 
> However, that alone isn't necessarily that terrible if the op 
> amp has good gain-bandwidth product, slew rate and settling 
> time performance. Harmonic distortion, noise, DC offset, 
> output drive capability, and other factors should all be 
> considered when choosing an op amp.
> 
> -Ti
> -- 
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
> 
> Tadas Motiejunas writes:
> > Lower measured distortion doesn't mean better sound or 
> performance. It 
> > can be achieved using lot of negative feedback, which have 
> bad effect 
> > on sound quality.
> 




From calijente at gmx.net  Wed Mar 24 18:08:36 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:08:36 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1e9.1c131135.2d92f6b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c411c2$a7e5cf40$137cce80@Tweezzy>

Capstan belt part number is OC80034A. I will measure it for you when I get
home, if this helps.
 
Gabe

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Waynekellner2003 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:36 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)


I have a CR2A deck that I purchased off EBAY. It did not have a drive belt
when I received it. Does anyone have the belt dimensions? And, does anyone
have the Nakamichi part number for the belt? I am thinking of putting a
generic belt on rather than a Nak belt. Any comments? Thanks to all.  

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From calijente at gmx.net  Wed Mar 24 18:08:36 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:08:36 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
In-Reply-To: <40619427.3050907@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c411c2$a79bf500$137cce80@Tweezzy>

> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:59 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement

> Quite true. However, it seems to me that searching for
> the ultimate op-amp for a CR-2 is a waste of time. 

As a hobbyist, I 100% disagree. BTW, that's why you sold yours? ;-)

I
> doubt the change from the TL-082 will make any audible 
> difference whatsoever. 

I doubt, too. I will do it, though. Isn't this wasting of time and money on
things you don't really need the definition of the word "hobby"?
On ther other hand, today is the line in amplifier in my CR-2 but tomorrow
might be (knock the wood) the playback amp in my MR-1, so wouldn't be nice
to be prepared?...

Bay the way, is NJM 072DE (the pb amp in MR-1) a direct equivalent of TL
082?
  
Gabe




From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 24 18:54:34 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:54:34 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
Message-ID: <BAY99-F25WJnyb3cPrn0002f94d@hotmail.com>

Here is one source for Revox instruction and service manuals. Downloading of 
files is limited to a specific time of day (23:00 to 06:00 GMT+1)  so be 
sure to take note of that. I see the B710 service manual listed in the top 
group as being about 9MB in size.

http://www.schori.info/b200s/smdownload.htm

I think Studer-Revox still has a parts distribution center located in 
Nashville, Tennessee and I've also heard of one in England though I can't 
remember the name. If I find the address of either I'll post it.

Bob



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>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:23:22 EST
>

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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Wed Mar 24 19:08:05 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:08:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
Message-ID: <s0618845.008@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello all Naktalkers and you Revolting ReVoxers (I'm included in that
too!),
 
The Nashville information is:
 
Jack Clark in Nashville.
JM Tech Arts
1515-Elm Hill Pike, #203
Nashville, Tn. 37210
615-365-9030

At least that's what it was in the Fall of 2000, when my B-215 was
tuned up and calibrated.
 
Enjoy the Music!
 
Kent

>>> bwana747 at hotmail.com 3/24/04 12:54:34 PM >>>

Here is one source for Revox instruction and service manuals.
Downloading of 
files is limited to a specific time of day (23:00 to 06:00 GMT+1)  so
be 
sure to take note of that. I see the B710 service manual listed in the
top 
group as being about 9MB in size.

http://www.schori.info/b200s/smdownload.htm 

I think Studer-Revox still has a parts distribution center located in 
Nashville, Tennessee and I've also heard of one in England though I
can't 
remember the name. If I find the address of either I'll post it.

Bob



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>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com 
>Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:23:22 EST
>

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Mar 24 19:14:37 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:14:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement- look at your issues carefully
Message-ID: <80cd71f80cad85.80cad8580cd71f@vsnl.net>

Since Opamp design issues are a lot; including gain bandwidth product/ unity gain stability and source impedance - simple statement " as a hobbyist; I would replace an opamp with another opamp and that is correct and nobody can say anything about it!" is too simplistic and does not have any scientific basis. unfortunately Opamps are designed for different purposes and not entirely for audio application in core. As a hobbyist you are supposed to read and understand the theory behind opamp design issues if you want a logical arguement among your peers! Ron is an audio designer with large number of years of experience and I find his arguement and hypothesis on opamp or negative feedback holds true. The replacement isues will be different if the opamap involved is in differnt application and you have to look at specific application for correct replacement or a better replacement- if you know exactly what is that "better" mean? Just because somebody says OPA 2104 is great I do not
 believe that it will do wonders in your simple 20db straight gain Audio application - mind you large bandwidth opamps also require care in PCB design/ powersupply bypass / power supply impedance issues. If the opamp is oscillating in Mhz region - as hobbyists you will not even know that the amp is oscillating!!!  
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: calijente at gmx.net
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:08 am
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement

> Quite true. However, it seems to me that searching for
> > the ultimate op-amp for a CR-2 is a waste of time. 
 
> As a hobbyist, I 100% disagree. BTW, that's why you sold yours? ;-)
> 
> I
> > doubt the change from the TL-082 will make any audible 
> > difference whatsoever. 
> 
> I doubt, too. I will do it, though. Isn't this wasting of time and 
> money on
> things you don't really need the definition of the word "hobby"?
> On ther other hand, today is the line in amplifier in my CR-2 but 
> tomorrowmight be (knock the wood) the playback amp in my MR-1, so 
> wouldn't be nice
> to be prepared?...
> 
> Bay the way, is NJM 072DE (the pb amp in MR-1) a direct equivalent 
> of TL
> 082?
>  
> Gabe
> 
>



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Mar 24 19:16:48 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:16:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
Message-ID: <80cf2ba80cd71e.80cd71e80cf2ba@vsnl.net>

Look at what source impedance and gain -this noise and distortin are stated with other associated nvironment conditions are to be looked at - not just noise and distortion figure per se!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: calijente at gmx.net
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:08 am
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement

> I fully agree with you guys, there are many parameters to take into
> consideration when you choose an op amp. 
> 
> However, in this particular context (replacing an opamp in a given 
> audioapplication) I thought THD and noise were the most relevant, 
> even though
> they might not dramatically influence the quality of sound.
> 
> It's better to compare somethimg then nothing, or isn't it?
> 
> Gabe
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> > [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ti Kan
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:56 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, you are right that the distortion specification bears 
> > little relevance to the sound unless it's grossly high.
> > 
> > A lot of negative feedback is basically a given for simple op 
> > amp gain stages.  Most op amps have an open loop gain of well 
> > over 100dB...
> > 
> > However, that alone isn't necessarily that terrible if the op 
> > amp has good gain-bandwidth product, slew rate and settling 
> > time performance. Harmonic distortion, noise, DC offset, 
> > output drive capability, and other factors should all be 
> > considered when choosing an op amp.
> > 
> > -Ti
> > -- 
> >  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
> >  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
> >    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
> >    2 4 6
> > 
> > Tadas Motiejunas writes:
> > > Lower measured distortion doesn't mean better sound or 
> > performance. It 
> > > can be achieved using lot of negative feedback, which have 
> > bad effect 
> > > on sound quality.
> > 
> 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Mar 24 19:18:10 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:18:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <80ccfd480cdaee.80cdaee80ccfd4@vsnl.net>

Since Nakamichi original belt is something very important here as it involves capstan drive - a very critical replacement!
kannan
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Capstan belt part number is OC80034A. I will measure it for you when I get
home, if this helps.
 
Gabe

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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:36 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)


I have a CR2A deck that I purchased off EBAY. It did not have a drive belt
when I received it. Does anyone have the belt dimensions? And, does anyone
have the Nakamichi part number for the belt? I am thinking of putting a
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Mar 24 19:43:48 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:43:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
Message-ID: <80d488c80cdcf6.80cdcf680d488c@vsnl.net>

Hi Dariush. 
It is not that simple turning a pot inside will make your deck work the way it is designed. Eventhought it is very simple to let you know that - open up the cover ; you will see three sets of presets 6 in numbers -each set of two is for one type tape say zx for metal tape (left and right channel) SX for Type II and Ex for type I tape- clearly marked on top of the row of preet as Bias 
/ then one more three sets for Level. Check level first and adjust left/ right for one tape using 400 Hz signal then adjust bias using 15 Khz signal in record mode. read the service manual for understanding whatever i say here!


But even before that you are supposed to set up head height and azimuth - if it is a three head - seperately for record/ play heads?????
If you do not mind completely going crazy with touching these pots , go ahead but atleast get a service manual before doing this as well as note dwon the present position of pots in a piece of paper before you try this!
kannan

Hi Kannan,
 
Thank you for your reply. I forgot to mention in my e-mail that when I turn the bias pot, the amount of high frequency changes, so it is working. But it seems that I need to find the pot / cap inside the box the regulate the bias. I can use intra FM station frequency to generate a high frequency signal. 
 
This is all great! There is good camaraderie between the Nak users. And I have learned a lot since I started communicating with other Nak users.
 
Kind Regards,
Dariush. 

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
Hi Dariush
You need an external signal generator or a test Cd ( available at MCM electronics) with Sine wave signals of different frequencies including 20 Khz. you also need CR 5 service manual to do this. One who trying this also should have some understanding of electronics as well! recently I found an IC TA9145P was not working due to failed PS bypass capacitor. With this faulty working chip I cold not set different level setting for differing type of tapes on the CR 3A! So your problem could be due to seomething that we normally might have not expected?. It is better to get this done by a nak technician who has the tools and knowledge to do it straightaway. Few of us had spent hours of our time learning the inside of Nak decks and money as well as few screwed up Naks on the way to learning the ropes! best of luck
kannan 

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Mar 24 19:52:30 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:52:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
In-Reply-To: <000f01c411c2$a79bf500$137cce80@Tweezzy>
References: <000f01c411c2$a79bf500$137cce80@Tweezzy>
Message-ID: <4061D8EE.5020300@rcn.com>

calijente at gmx.net wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:59 AM
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
> 
> 
>>Quite true. However, it seems to me that searching for
>>the ultimate op-amp for a CR-2 is a waste of time. 
> 
> 
> As a hobbyist, I 100% disagree. BTW, that's why you sold yours? ;-)

I got it with the express intention of fixing it, doing a series
of recordings and selling. Mission accomplished on all counts...

>> I
>>doubt the change from the TL-082 will make any audible 
>>difference whatsoever. 
> 
> 
> I doubt, too. I will do it, though. Isn't this wasting of time and money on
> things you don't really need the definition of the word "hobby"?
> On ther other hand, today is the line in amplifier in my CR-2 but tomorrow
> might be (knock the wood) the playback amp in my MR-1, so wouldn't be nice
> to be prepared?...

By all means, do whatever you like. The discussion, though,
centered on the audibility of op-amp unpgrades.

> Bay the way, is NJM 072DE (the pb amp in MR-1) a direct equivalent of TL
> 082?

I am under the impressions that it's the equivalent to
the TL-072. Naks use both TL-072 and TL-082 op-amps. Be
aware, though, that some of them are specially selected
for specific attributes. Selected op-amps have  different
Nak P/Ns.

-- Ron

>   
> Gabe
> 





From calijente at gmx.net  Wed Mar 24 20:00:02 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:00:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement- look at your issues carefully
In-Reply-To: <80cd71f80cad85.80cad8580cd71f@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c411d2$36f5a890$137cce80@Tweezzy>

Kannan,

I feel anger in your message and I don't feel good knowing that I induced
such a reaction.

I just want to mention that I haven't questioned anybody's proficiency
(neither yours, nor Ron's) and I've never said what you quote and imply in
your answer.

Peace,
Gabe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:15 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement- look at your 
> issues carefully
> 
> 
> Since Opamp design issues are a lot; including gain bandwidth 
> product/ unity gain stability and source impedance - simple 
> statement " as a hobbyist; I would replace an opamp with 
> another opamp and that is correct and nobody can say anything 
> about it!" is too simplistic and does not have any scientific 
> basis. unfortunately Opamps are designed for different 
> purposes and not entirely for audio application in core. As a 
> hobbyist you are supposed to read and understand the theory 
> behind opamp design issues if you want a logical arguement 
> among your peers! Ron is an audio designer with large number 
> of years of experience and I find his arguement and 
> hypothesis on opamp or negative feedback holds true. The 
> replacement isues will be different if the opamap involved is 
> in differnt application and you have to look at specific 
> application for correct replacement or a better replacement- 
> if you know exactly what is that "better" mean? Just because 
> somebody says OPA 2104 is great I do not  believe that it 
> will do wonders in your simple 20db straight gain Audio 
> application - mind you large bandwidth opamps also require 
> care in PCB design/ powersupply bypass / power supply 
> impedance issues. If the opamp is oscillating in Mhz region - 
> as hobbyists you will not even know that the amp is oscillating!!!  
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: calijente at gmx.net
> Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:08 am
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement
> 
> > Quite true. However, it seems to me that searching for
> > > the ultimate op-amp for a CR-2 is a waste of time.
>  
> > As a hobbyist, I 100% disagree. BTW, that's why you sold yours? ;-)
> > 
> > I
> > > doubt the change from the TL-082 will make any audible
> > > difference whatsoever. 
> > 
> > I doubt, too. I will do it, though. Isn't this wasting of time and
> > money on
> > things you don't really need the definition of the word "hobby"?
> > On ther other hand, today is the line in amplifier in my CR-2 but 
> > tomorrowmight be (knock the wood) the playback amp in my MR-1, so 
> > wouldn't be nice
> > to be prepared?...
> > 
> > Bay the way, is NJM 072DE (the pb amp in MR-1) a direct equivalent
> > of TL
> > 082?
> >  
> > Gabe
> > 
> >
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 20:08:56 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:08:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Manual & few questions.
In-Reply-To: <80d488c80cdcf6.80cdcf680d488c@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <20040324190856.5146.qmail@web80807.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Kannan,
 
Thank you for the help. I think you are right. I need to get the service manual for CR-5 before attempting any adjustments.
 
Kind Regards,
Dariush.

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
Hi Dariush. 
It is not that simple turning a pot inside will make your deck work the way it is designed. Eventhought it is very simple to let you know that - open up the cover ; you will see three sets of presets 6 in numbers -each set of two is for one type tape say zx for metal tape (left and right channel) SX for Type II and Ex for type I tape- clearly marked on top of the row of preet as Bias 
/ then one more three sets for Level. Check level first and adjust left/ right for one tape using 400 Hz signal then adjust bias using 15 Khz signal in record mode. read the service manual for understanding whatever i say here!


But even before that you are supposed to set up head height and azimuth - if it is a three head - seperately for record/ play heads?????
If you do not mind completely going crazy with touching these pots , go ahead but atleast get a service manual before doing this as well as note dwon the present position of pots in a piece of paper before you try this!
kannan

Hi Kannan,

Thank you for your reply. I forgot to mention in my e-mail that when I turn the bias pot, the amount of high frequency changes, so it is working. But it seems that I need to find the pot / cap inside the box the regulate the bias. I can use intra FM station frequency to generate a high frequency signal. 

This is all great! There is good camaraderie between the Nak users. And I have learned a lot since I started communicating with other Nak users.

Kind Regards,
Dariush. 

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
Hi Dariush
You need an external signal generator or a test Cd ( available at MCM electronics) with Sine wave signals of different frequencies including 20 Khz. you also need CR 5 service manual to do this. One who trying this also should have some understanding of electronics as well! recently I found an IC TA9145P was not working due to failed PS bypass capacitor. With this faulty working chip I cold not set different level setting for differing type of tapes on the CR 3A! So your problem could be due to seomething that we normally might have not expected?. It is better to get this done by a nak technician who has the tools and knowledge to do it straightaway. Few of us had spent hours of our time learning the inside of Nak decks and money as well as few screwed up Naks on the way to learning the ropes! best of luck
kannan 

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar 24 20:29:46 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:29:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
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Message-ID: <000a01c411d6$5df61b60$d8c14c51@oemcomputer>

The main UK ReVox man is Brian at RevoxService.co.uk

That is, Brian Reeves
184 Finney Lane
Cheadle
Cheshire
SK8 3PU
UK
+44-161-449-2349

Gra'


> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of bwana747 _
> Sent: 24 March 2004 17:55
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
>
>
> Here is one source for Revox instruction and service manuals.
> Downloading of
> files is limited to a specific time of day (23:00 to 06:00 GMT+1)  so be
> sure to take note of that. I see the B710 service manual listed
> in the top
> group as being about 9MB in size.
>
> http://www.schori.info/b200s/smdownload.htm
>
> I think Studer-Revox still has a parts distribution center located in
> Nashville, Tennessee and I've also heard of one in England though I can't
> remember the name. If I find the address of either I'll post it.
>
> Bob
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Mar 24 20:48:00 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:48:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement- look at your issues
	carefully
Message-ID: <80da1ec80d9eac.80d9eac80da1ec@vsnl.net>


I am sorry if you have seen some anger in my message - i did not mean any such feelings.
 Fortunately I had the opportunity to hear large number of nakamichi decks in different working conditions and also tried opamp replacement in my Dragon an year back. I had tried to understand large number of design books and mods in Audio Amatuere ( not very clear about the spelling!!!) articles. I would not say that I am very proficient in design of audio circuit either - but I know Ron is excellent source of information here on design issues.
I have to bring one of my recent experience here. Recently I spent one day in aligning a simple Bx1 head / playback level/ record parameters. It resulted in wonderful sound of that machine without ever replacing any component! I could not believe my ears when I heard a recording made on that machine. Sometimes what you perceive is to be done scientifically basing on all the important parameters involved and if you do not do that; your conclusions will be wrong. So I had to react  to statement of yours that hobbyists are supposed to experiment with opamap replacement and that is the purpose of this audio hobby( I may not be very accurate here but that is what I felt that it implied seeing your posting)
 You can try to look beyond simple Opamp replacement is what I am trying to say here and that would result in better quality of your CR 2. And sometimes some of these opamp replacement would result in malfunction of the circuit even without you ever realizing it!
Thanks for your posting as this forum is for people to express their views and we have wonderful arguements for and against mine or Ron' believes here as well!
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: calijente at gmx.net
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:00 am
Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement- look at your issues carefully

> Kannan,
> 
> I feel anger in your message and I don't feel good knowing that I 
> inducedsuch a reaction.
> 
> I just want to mention that I haven't questioned anybody's proficiency
> (neither yours, nor Ron's) and I've never said what you quote and 
> imply in
> your answer.
> 
> Peace,
> Gabe
> 

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From Waynekellner2003 at aol.com  Wed Mar 24 20:49:32 2004
From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com (Waynekellner2003 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:49:32 EST
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1d6.1d1a2aa1.2d93404c@aol.com>

Thanks for answering my question. I'd be grateful if you would measure and 
send me the measurements. Do you know where I can get a belt at a reasonable 
price? I called one place (ES Labs) and they want nearly $30 for it. I thought 
that to be a bit expensive. 
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From Waynekellner2003 at aol.com  Wed Mar 24 21:05:08 2004
From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com (Waynekellner2003 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:05:08 EST
Subject: [naktalk] NAK CR2A Belt
Message-ID: <160.2d481d74.2d9343f4@aol.com>

I sent a response back to naktalk but I didn't see your email address when it 
came back to me. 

Thanks for getting me the part number. I would really appreciate getting the 
dimensions, if you would be so kind. I contacted ES Labs (I think) and was 
quoted $27 (includes delivery) for the belt. I thought that to be quite 
expensive. Do you know where I can get this belt for a more reasonable price? hanks you.
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Mar 24 21:07:53 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:07:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <80da9e080d4d22.80d4d2280da9e0@vsnl.net>

You can try Melissa at nak US parts 
Melissa Bradley <melissa at nakusa.com>
 NAK USA, INC.
1500 OLYMPIC BLVD.
SANTA MONICA, CA 90404
 (310) 392-1155 EXT. 231
 (310) 392-1030 FAX 
The part cost may be cheaper than that probably
try it
kannan
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Thanks for answering my question. I'd be grateful if you would measure and 
send me the measurements. Do you know where I can get a belt at a reasonable 
price? I called one place (ES Labs) and they want nearly $30 for it. I thought 
that to be a bit expensive. 

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From britri at comcast.net  Wed Mar 24 21:42:48 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:42:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] check out all this cr@#
References: <11725-405F43C3-5091@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <4061F2C8.8070807@comcast.net>

go to

http://www.jackbergsales.com/electronics/electronics-8-track.htm

Ya know 8 trax are louder cuz they are bigger!

or, if you have a few minutes and want a blast from the pastt

http://www.jackbergsales.com/electronics

Brian

Gerald G. wrote:

>WOW! what some people wont do to turn a profit! I would be willing to
>wager that ths this jack ace  got a sizeable  supply of these new old
>stock crummy machines at probably less than 20.00 each and hes trying to
>make over 150.00 on each deck!
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From ti at amb.org  Wed Mar 24 23:37:52 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:37:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: IC replacement
Message-ID: <200403242237.WAA26744@amb.org>

Kannan is right in that one cannot blindly substitute op amps in an
"ad hoc" fashion.  Many op amps have peculiar requirements about
its surrounding circuitry and will misbehave if misused.

That said, I think the models we've mentioned so far, the TL082,
TL072, NE5532, OP275, OPA2132, OPA2134 should all be relatively "safe"
replacements for the MJ4558.

The AD8620 may be an exception not only because of its packaging and
power supply requirements, but also due to its high bandwidth.
Careful circuit board layout around this op amp, power supply bypassing,
and feedback compensation capacitance are all important to make it
stable.  If you are equipped with a square wave generator and oscilloscope
you could observe whether an oscillation or ringing is present and
other circuit mods may be required to make things work correctly.
I think this was what Kannan was trying to say.

-Ti
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From calijente at gmx.net  Thu Mar 25 02:02:07 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:02:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement- look at your issuescarefully
In-Reply-To: <80da1ec80d9eac.80d9eac80da1ec@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c41204$cfa9d700$137cce80@Tweezzy>

Thanks for your postings, too! All your arguments were reasonable and
compelling. Maybe my divagations about hobbies and hobbyists sounded like
off-the-wall counterarguments, but not this was my intention.

Cheers,
Gabe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:48 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement- look at 
> your issuescarefully
> 
> 
> 
> I am sorry if you have seen some anger in my message - i did 
> not mean any such feelings.  Fortunately I had the 
> opportunity to hear large number of nakamichi decks in 
> different working conditions and also tried opamp replacement 
> in my Dragon an year back. I had tried to understand large 
> number of design books and mods in Audio Amatuere ( not very 
> clear about the spelling!!!) articles. I would not say that I 
> am very proficient in design of audio circuit either - but I 
> know Ron is excellent source of information here on design 
> issues. I have to bring one of my recent experience here. 
> Recently I spent one day in aligning a simple Bx1 head / 
> playback level/ record parameters. It resulted in wonderful 
> sound of that machine without ever replacing any component! I 
> could not believe my ears when I heard a recording made on 
> that machine. Sometimes what you perceive is to be done 
> scientifically basing on all the important parameters 
> involved and if you do not do that; your conclusions will be 
> wrong. So I had to react  to statement of yours that 
> hobbyists are supposed to experiment with opamap replacement 
> and that is the purpose of this audio hobby( I may not be 
> very accurate here but that is what I felt that it implied 
> seeing your posting)  You can try to look beyond simple Opamp 
> replacement is what I am trying to say here and that would 
> result in better quality of your CR 2. And sometimes some of 
> these opamp replacement would result in malfunction of the 
> circuit even without you ever realizing it! Thanks for your 
> posting as this forum is for people to express their views 
> and we have wonderful arguements for and against mine or Ron' 
> believes here as well! kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: calijente at gmx.net
> Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:00 am
> Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] RE: IC replacement- look at your 
> issues carefully
> 
> > Kannan,
> > 
> > I feel anger in your message and I don't feel good knowing that I
> > inducedsuch a reaction.
> > 
> > I just want to mention that I haven't questioned anybody's 
> proficiency 
> > (neither yours, nor Ron's) and I've never said what you quote and 
> > imply in your answer.
> > 
> > Peace,
> > Gabe




From calijente at gmx.net  Thu Mar 25 02:02:07 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:02:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt
In-Reply-To: <160.2d481d74.2d9343f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801c41204$cf5ffcc0$137cce80@Tweezzy>

I tried to measure it as accurately as possible. It's a flat belt with the
following dimensions: 

Outer diameter: 55.4 mm

Thickness: 0.475 mm

Width: 5 mm

 

I don't know any specific supplier other then the two already mentioned
here. You can try to search by size at different suppliers, like MCM
(http://mcm.newark.com/) or so. Let us know if you find something.

 

I noticed that RX 202 uses a capstan drive with the same part number
(OC80034A), so other idea would be to ask if someone has a spare capstan
drive for RX 202. About one month ago someone offered remaining parts from a
deceased RX 202 on Naktalk, but I can't recall who and I don't find the
message...

 

Gabe

-----Original Message-----
From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com [mailto:Waynekellner2003 at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:05 PM
To: calijente at gmx.net; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: NAK CR2A Belt


I sent a response back to naktalk but I didn't see your email address when
it came back to me. 
 
Thanks for getting me the part number. I would really appreciate getting the
dimensions, if you would be so kind. I contacted ES Labs (I think) and was
quoted $27 (includes delivery) for the belt. I thought that to be quite
expensive. Do you know where I can get this belt for a more reasonable
price? hanks you.

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 25 02:15:26 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:15:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt
Message-ID: <BAY2-F16iSnRMWuLn5U000084b6@hotmail.com>

Contact Melissa @ NakUSA


>From: <calijente at gmx.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <Waynekellner2003 at aol.com>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt
>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:02:07 -0600
>
>I tried to measure it as accurately as possible. It's a flat belt with the
>following dimensions:
>
>Outer diameter: 55.4 mm
>
>Thickness: 0.475 mm
>
>Width: 5 mm
>
>
>
>I don't know any specific supplier other then the two already mentioned
>here. You can try to search by size at different suppliers, like MCM
>(http://mcm.newark.com/) or so. Let us know if you find something.
>
>
>
>I noticed that RX 202 uses a capstan drive with the same part number
>(OC80034A), so other idea would be to ask if someone has a spare capstan
>drive for RX 202. About one month ago someone offered remaining parts from 
>a
>deceased RX 202 on Naktalk, but I can't recall who and I don't find the
>message...
>
>
>
>Gabe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com [mailto:Waynekellner2003 at aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:05 PM
>To: calijente at gmx.net; naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: NAK CR2A Belt
>
>
>I sent a response back to naktalk but I didn't see your email address when
>it came back to me.
>
>Thanks for getting me the part number. I would really appreciate getting 
>the
>dimensions, if you would be so kind. I contacted ES Labs (I think) and was
>quoted $27 (includes delivery) for the belt. I thought that to be quite
>expensive. Do you know where I can get this belt for a more reasonable
>price? hanks you.
>
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From macses at comcast.net  Thu Mar 25 04:50:51 2004
From: macses at comcast.net (Steve Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:50:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt
References: <BAY2-F16iSnRMWuLn5U000084b6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4121c$5e457110$5c27aa43@down>

Replacement belts can also be purchased at
http://www.iglou.com/studiosound/cassette.htm

Need to know the size,  they are low priced , and good service. I have
purchased several times from them,  normally get several different sizes and
use the closest match. It can be a bit tricky getting the exact match, so
good luck.

Steve


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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Fri Mar 26 03:38:29 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:38:29 EST
Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
Message-ID: <97.45c191c6.2d94f1a5@aol.com>

DEAR BOB!! MANY THANKS FOR THE KIND HELP!  YOU GUYS ARE FANTASTIC!!!!!   
AGAIN!!..... THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! VERY MUCH!!

WITH BEST REGARDS!
ALI
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Fri Mar 26 03:39:52 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:39:52 EST
Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
Message-ID: <1de.1ba6cdb3.2d94f1f8@aol.com>

DEAR KENT!, 
BOB!!  AND GRAHAM,        MANY THANKS FOR THE KIND HELP!  WITH SERVICE MANUAL 
SITE IT WAS GREAT!!  AND EVERYTHING WENT SO SMOOTHLY!!!! YOU GUYS ARE 
FANTASTIC!!!!!   AGAIN!!..... THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! VERY MUCH!!

WITH BEST REGARDS!
ALI
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Fri Mar 26 03:40:24 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:40:24 EST
Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL FOR REVOX B-710 MK1 PLEASE HELP!
Message-ID: <c4.868910d.2d94f218@aol.com>

DEAR KENT!, 
BOB!!  AND GRAHAM,        MANY THANKS FOR THE KIND HELP!  WITH SERVICE MANUAL 
SITE IT WAS GREAT!!  AND EVERYTHING WENT SO SMOOTHLY!!!! YOU GUYS ARE 
FANTASTIC!!!!!   AGAIN!!..... THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! VERY MUCH!!

WITH BEST REGARDS!
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From Waynekellner2003 at aol.com  Fri Mar 26 17:31:08 2004
From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com (Waynekellner2003 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:31:08 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NAK CR2A Belt
Message-ID: <80.7ea676b.2d95b4cc@aol.com>

I tried to measure it as accurately as possible. It’s a flat belt with the 
following dimensions: 
Outer diameter: 55.4 mm
Thickness: 0.475 mm
Width: 5 mm
 
I don’t know any specific supplier other then the two already mentioned here. 
You can try to search by size at different suppliers, like MCM 
(http://mcm.newark.com/) or so. Let us know if you find something.
 
I noticed that RX 202 uses a capstan drive with the same part number 
(OC80034A), so other idea would be to ask if someone has a spare capstan drive for RX 
202. About one month ago someone offered remaining parts from a deceased RX 
202 on Naktalk, but I can’t recall who and I don’t find the message...
Does anyone on this site have an extra belt and would be willing to part with 
it? 
 
Gabe
-----Original Message-----
From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com [mailto:Waynekellner2003 at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:05 PM
To: calijente at gmx.net; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: NAK CR2A Belt


I sent a response back to naktalk but I didn't see your email address when it 
came back to me. 

Thanks for getting me the part number. I would really appreciate getting the 
dimensions, if you would be so kind. I contacted ES Labs (I think) and was 
quoted $27 (includes delivery) for the belt. I thought that to be quite 
expensive. Do you know where I can get this belt for a more reasonable price? hanks you.
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From Waynekellner2003 at aol.com  Fri Mar 26 17:38:27 2004
From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com (Waynekellner2003 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:38:27 EST
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt
Message-ID: <139.2cdf45c4.2d95b683@aol.com>

Steve, do you know the part number/s for the belt I need?

Replacement belts can also be purchased at
http://www.iglou.com/studiosound/cassette.htm

Need to know the size,  they are low priced , and good service. I have
purchased several times from them,  normally get several different sizes and
use the closest match. It can be a bit tricky getting the exact match, so
good luck.

Steve
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Mar 26 19:07:36 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:07:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <40647168.6090907@verizon.net>

Folks,

I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like to 
hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder and 
harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning nobody 
is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK MA 
left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a surprising 
tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've cleaned 
up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After hearing 
some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I switched 
over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell MS (studio 
version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell any 
difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means there 
isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it doesn't 
seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA and was a 
surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay ?

Mark


From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri Mar 26 19:35:08 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:35:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <844091f843e921.843e921844091f@vsnl.net>

Mark
True metal tapes have vanished and I find people are actually fighting it out on ebay to catch few available metal tapes! However I have not known any problem with TDK SA or TDK SA-X tapes. I found TDK SA-X tapes to be very good and only Maxell XL II S had serious dropout problems.
kannan 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:07 am
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes

> Folks,
> 
> I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like 
> to 
> hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder 
> and 
> harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning 
> nobody 
> is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK 
> MA 
> left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a 
> surprising 
> tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've 
> cleaned 
> up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After 
> hearing 
> some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I 
> switched 
> over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell MS 
> (studio 
> version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell 
> any 
> difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means there 
> isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it 
> doesn't 
> seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA and 
> was a 
> surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay ?
> 
> Mark




From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Mar 27 01:08:37 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:08:37 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Modifying a Calibrating Nak for
	PBAzimuth Adjust
References: <7d5c7697d5dce8.7d5dce87d5c769@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <00aa01c4138f$a79d2000$78773242@CopyTech>

No Kannan, for much less, I'm sure ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Modifying a Calibrating Nak for
PBAzimuth Adjust


> There are two issues with Zx7 - if you were to modify -the first one is
its record head azimuth is adjustable and you have to have a fixed playback
head incase you want to use its azimuth calibration facility to calibrate
record level & bias correctly. Socond is that you need different play head
mount to shift the azimuth adjust wedge behind the record head to play head
keeping the record azimuth fixed. Eslabs should be having correct parts and
it is a good idea to ask eslabs to undertake this job as you need alignment
gauges and tapes incase you try this mod!
> I would buy a new Dragon from ebay which has anyway auto azimuth
facility - for the same cost of modding!!!
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:33 pm
> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Modifying a Calibrating Nak for PB
Azimuth Adjust
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I have 3 Naks - a ZX-7 (one of ESLabs' resto-overhaul machines), a
> > 682ZX, and a CR-7A. I've been intrigued with the idea of modifying
> > a ZX
> > series deck with a PB Head Azimuth adjust - like on the CR-7A; to
> > be
> > more accurate like on the DR-1 (a manual knob vs the motorized
> > version
> > on the 7A). Even though I don't use it very often; its a real nice
> > feature to have. I do my own alignments and minor mechanical work
> > on my
> > Naks, but, haven't figured out a reasonably easy way to do the
> > mod.
> > Anyone have any ideas ? I think that Jeffrey's guys do or have
> > done this
> > mod before.
> >
> > Mark Barrett
> > sharpei at verizon.net
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri Mar 26 21:25:45 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:25:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Modifying a Calibrating Nak for
	PBAzimuth Adjust
Message-ID: <8446ef984471a0.84471a08446ef9@vsnl.net>


Thanks Carlos 
You really understood my point!!!!
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>

> No Kannan, for much less, I'm sure ...
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Modifying a Calibrating 
> Nak for
> PBAzimuth Adjust
> 
> 
> > There are two issues with Zx7 - if you were to modify -the first 
> one is

>> it is a good idea to ask eslabs to undertake this job as you need 
> alignmentgauges and tapes incase you try this mod!


> > I would buy a new Dragon from ebay which has anyway auto azimuth
> facility - for the same cost of modding!!!
> > kannan



From jochi at qwest.net  Sat Mar 27 00:19:54 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:19:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
References: <844091f843e921.843e921844091f@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001701c41388$d91db7e0$0400000a@uswest.net>

Kannan,

In your reply to Mark, you said, "Only XLII-S had serious dropout problems."
I have two questions:

1.  What do you mean when you say "serious?"
2.  Did the "serious dropout problems" apply to all XLII-S cassettes or was
it only certain batches?

Maxell XLII-S cassette tapes used to be considered better than XLII tapes.
I have had no trouble so far with my XLII-S tapes, but I wonder what kinds
of problems I should be prepared for.

Thanks for any insight,
Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes


> Mark
> True metal tapes have vanished and I find people are actually fighting it
out on ebay to catch few available metal tapes! However I have not known any
problem with TDK SA or TDK SA-X tapes. I found TDK SA-X tapes to be very
good and only Maxell XL II S had serious dropout problems.
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
> Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:07 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like
> > to
> > hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder
> > and
> > harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning
> > nobody
> > is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK
> > MA
> > left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a
> > surprising
> > tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've
> > cleaned
> > up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After
> > hearing
> > some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I
> > switched
> > over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell MS
> > (studio
> > version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell
> > any
> > difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means there
> > isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it
> > doesn't
> > seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA and
> > was a
> > surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> > Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay ?
> >
> > Mark
>
>
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Mar 27 00:03:25 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:03:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <844d728844d3ea.844d3ea844d728@vsnl.net>

Jon

I had bought about 20 Maxell XL IIS tapes in India about 2 years back and found that almost 40% of the tapes had Droputs - Absolutely bad patches of drop outs. While I had used XLII many times which are very consistant and I would not hesitate to buy it. I stopped buying XLII S because of one experience. However if the tape is very reputed and commands premium I do not expect such problem in large numbers. However  I have never noticed dropouts in TDK SA or SAX tapes while I found such tapes as CD Base or CD it generally do not have decent recording qualities. If your experience is a good one - it may be that my purchase may belong  to a specific production lot and may not be observed here?
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>
Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes

> Kannan,
> 
> In your reply to Mark, you said, "Only XLII-S had serious dropout 
> problems."I have two questions:
> 
> 1.  What do you mean when you say "serious?"
> 2.  Did the "serious dropout problems" apply to all XLII-S 
> cassettes or was
> it only certain batches?
> 
> Maxell XLII-S cassette tapes used to be considered better than 
> XLII tapes.
> I have had no trouble so far with my XLII-S tapes, but I wonder 
> what kinds
> of problems I should be prepared for.
> 
> Thanks for any insight,
> Jon
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> 
> 
> > Mark
> > True metal tapes have vanished and I find people are actually 
> fighting it
> out on ebay to catch few available metal tapes! However I have not 
> known any
> problem with TDK SA or TDK SA-X tapes. I found TDK SA-X tapes to 
> be very
> good and only Maxell XL II S had serious dropout problems.
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
> > Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:07 am
> > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like
> > > to
> > > hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder
> > > and
> > > harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning
> > > nobody
> > > is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK
> > > MA
> > > left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a
> > > surprising
> > > tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've
> > > cleaned
> > > up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After
> > > hearing
> > > some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I
> > > switched
> > > over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell MS
> > > (studio
> > > version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell
> > > any
> > > difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means there
> > > isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it
> > > doesn't
> > > seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA and
> > > was a
> > > surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> > > Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay ?
> > >
> > > Mark
> >
> >
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From jochi at qwest.net  Sat Mar 27 01:32:09 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:32:09 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
References: <844d728844d3ea.844d3ea844d728@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001201c41392$f0f111a0$0400000a@uswest.net>

Kannan,

I recently purchased many XLII-S tapes through www.cheapbatteries.com  I
think this source has very good prices.

These tapes have given me zero problems so far although the rolling
mechanism is not as silky smooth as say Maxell MX tapes.  On the label the
small print says, "Made in England."  I do not know if it means the tape
itself is made in England or if the cassette is assembled in England from
tape made in Japan.  (I have Maxell UR Type I tapes which state on the
label:  "Assembled in Korea with Japan and US components.")

I do remember a post from someone who noted that tapes made in certain
countries in Europe were to be avoided.  The poster did not mention England.
If I do have problems with the English made XLII-S tapes I will certainly
notify everyone, but so far, so good.

Jon




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes


> Jon
>
> I had bought about 20 Maxell XL IIS tapes in India about 2 years back and
found that almost 40% of the tapes had Droputs - Absolutely bad patches of
drop outs. While I had used XLII many times which are very consistant and I
would not hesitate to buy it. I stopped buying XLII S because of one
experience. However if the tape is very reputed and commands premium I do
not expect such problem in large numbers. However  I have never noticed
dropouts in TDK SA or SAX tapes while I found such tapes as CD Base or CD it
generally do not have decent recording qualities. If your experience is a
good one - it may be that my purchase may belong  to a specific production
lot and may not be observed here?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>
> Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
>
> > Kannan,
> >
> > In your reply to Mark, you said, "Only XLII-S had serious dropout
> > problems."I have two questions:
> >
> > 1.  What do you mean when you say "serious?"
> > 2.  Did the "serious dropout problems" apply to all XLII-S
> > cassettes or was
> > it only certain batches?
> >
> > Maxell XLII-S cassette tapes used to be considered better than
> > XLII tapes.
> > I have had no trouble so far with my XLII-S tapes, but I wonder
> > what kinds
> > of problems I should be prepared for.
> >
> > Thanks for any insight,
> > Jon
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> >
> >
> > > Mark
> > > True metal tapes have vanished and I find people are actually
> > fighting it
> > out on ebay to catch few available metal tapes! However I have not
> > known any
> > problem with TDK SA or TDK SA-X tapes. I found TDK SA-X tapes to
> > be very
> > good and only Maxell XL II S had serious dropout problems.
> > > kannan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
> > > Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:07 am
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like
> > > > to
> > > > hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder
> > > > and
> > > > harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning
> > > > nobody
> > > > is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK
> > > > MA
> > > > left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a
> > > > surprising
> > > > tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've
> > > > cleaned
> > > > up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After
> > > > hearing
> > > > some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I
> > > > switched
> > > > over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell MS
> > > > (studio
> > > > version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell
> > > > any
> > > > difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means there
> > > > isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it
> > > > doesn't
> > > > seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA and
> > > > was a
> > > > surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> > > > Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay ?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Mar 27 01:07:20 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:07:20 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
References: <844d728844d3ea.844d3ea844d728@vsnl.net>
	<001201c41392$f0f111a0$0400000a@uswest.net>
Message-ID: <001901c4138f$79454390$d1554f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

i have some die-cast, tdk metal tapes, im thimking of putting them in a safe
deposit box!
p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes


> Kannan,
>
> I recently purchased many XLII-S tapes through www.cheapbatteries.com  I
> think this source has very good prices.
>
> These tapes have given me zero problems so far although the rolling
> mechanism is not as silky smooth as say Maxell MX tapes.  On the label the
> small print says, "Made in England."  I do not know if it means the tape
> itself is made in England or if the cassette is assembled in England from
> tape made in Japan.  (I have Maxell UR Type I tapes which state on the
> label:  "Assembled in Korea with Japan and US components.")
>
> I do remember a post from someone who noted that tapes made in certain
> countries in Europe were to be avoided.  The poster did not mention
England.
> If I do have problems with the English made XLII-S tapes I will certainly
> notify everyone, but so far, so good.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
>
>
> > Jon
> >
> > I had bought about 20 Maxell XL IIS tapes in India about 2 years back
and
> found that almost 40% of the tapes had Droputs - Absolutely bad patches of
> drop outs. While I had used XLII many times which are very consistant and
I
> would not hesitate to buy it. I stopped buying XLII S because of one
> experience. However if the tape is very reputed and commands premium I do
> not expect such problem in large numbers. However  I have never noticed
> dropouts in TDK SA or SAX tapes while I found such tapes as CD Base or CD
it
> generally do not have decent recording qualities. If your experience is a
> good one - it may be that my purchase may belong  to a specific production
> lot and may not be observed here?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>
> > Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:19 pm
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> >
> > > Kannan,
> > >
> > > In your reply to Mark, you said, "Only XLII-S had serious dropout
> > > problems."I have two questions:
> > >
> > > 1.  What do you mean when you say "serious?"
> > > 2.  Did the "serious dropout problems" apply to all XLII-S
> > > cassettes or was
> > > it only certain batches?
> > >
> > > Maxell XLII-S cassette tapes used to be considered better than
> > > XLII tapes.
> > > I have had no trouble so far with my XLII-S tapes, but I wonder
> > > what kinds
> > > of problems I should be prepared for.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any insight,
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mark
> > > > True metal tapes have vanished and I find people are actually
> > > fighting it
> > > out on ebay to catch few available metal tapes! However I have not
> > > known any
> > > problem with TDK SA or TDK SA-X tapes. I found TDK SA-X tapes to
> > > be very
> > > good and only Maxell XL II S had serious dropout problems.
> > > > kannan
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
> > > > Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:07 am
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> > > >
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like
> > > > > to
> > > > > hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder
> > > > > and
> > > > > harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning
> > > > > nobody
> > > > > is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK
> > > > > MA
> > > > > left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a
> > > > > surprising
> > > > > tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've
> > > > > cleaned
> > > > > up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After
> > > > > hearing
> > > > > some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I
> > > > > switched
> > > > > over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell MS
> > > > > (studio
> > > > > version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell
> > > > > any
> > > > > difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means there
> > > > > isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA and
> > > > > was a
> > > > > surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> > > > > Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 27 02:21:26 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:21:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
In-Reply-To: <001701c41388$d91db7e0$0400000a@uswest.net>
Message-ID: <20040327012126.81366.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>

I am not Mark, but, I wanted to say that I personally never used the
Maxell XLII-S, but, have used their MX tapes (metal bias), but, only
two.  I had serious drop outs on both of them!  When "I" say serious,
I mean that a brand new tape should not have sections where the audio
level changes by more than a couple dB for more than 1/10 second. 
When I first listened to recordings I made on these two Maxell MX
tapes I had this happen several times.  After the first one I was
annoyed, but, let it pass.  By the third and fourth drop out on the
first tape I was pissed!  What the &%$% was that!  I took the tape
out rewound it with my finger and found the reason for the drop out. 
There's this chunk that was rock hard embedded in the tape.  I know
it was rock hard because I took an exacto knife and scratched it.  It
felt like a rock.  I'm think'n, "what's this doing to my tape heads?"
 There were several of these things on both tapes.  Those were the
last Maxell tapes I ever bought!

Scott J.
--- Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net> wrote:
> Kannan,
> 
> In your reply to Mark, you said, "Only XLII-S had serious dropout
> problems."
> I have two questions:
> 
> 1.  What do you mean when you say "serious?"
> 2.  Did the "serious dropout problems" apply to all XLII-S
> cassettes or was
> it only certain batches?
> 
> Maxell XLII-S cassette tapes used to be considered better than XLII
> tapes.
> I have had no trouble so far with my XLII-S tapes, but I wonder
> what kinds
> of problems I should be prepared for.
> 
> Thanks for any insight,
> Jon
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> 
> 
> > Mark
> > True metal tapes have vanished and I find people are actually
> fighting it
> out on ebay to catch few available metal tapes! However I have not
> known any
> problem with TDK SA or TDK SA-X tapes. I found TDK SA-X tapes to be
> very
> good and only Maxell XL II S had serious dropout problems.
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
> > Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:07 am
> > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also
> like
> > > to
> > > hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting
> harder
> > > and
> > > harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning
> > > nobody
> > > is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1
> TDK
> > > MA
> > > left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a
> > > surprising
> > > tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've
> > > cleaned
> > > up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After
> > > hearing
> > > some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I
> > > switched
> > > over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell
> MS
> > > (studio
> > > version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell
> > > any
> > > difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means
> there
> > > isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it
> > > doesn't
> > > seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA
> and
> > > was a
> > > surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> > > Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay
> ?
> > >
> > > Mark
> >
> >
> >
>
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat Mar 27 03:31:35 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:31:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Subject Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <4064E787.7070205@verizon.net>

Back in the 80's (I had Aiwa decks) I used TDK SA, SA-X, MA exclusively. 
Nowadays, I mainly use Maxell XLII for high bias. Haven't used an SA in 
years. Have tried a few of the SA-X. I guess my main concern in looking 
for good tapes is no dropout problems. I've heard this afflicts some or 
all of the TDK line. The only TDK tape I've used extensively in recent 
times is the MA. I have several well-played MA's and they sound just as 
clear and bright as the day I made the recording. I did buy 20 of the 
XLII-S tapes several months ago. I had problems with approx 1/3 of the 
batch rewinding/fast-forwarding, but they sound very good.
Incidentally, in the 1993 (?) ratings of various tapes; Consumer Reports 
had the TDK SA-X as the top high bias tape with an overall score of 87. 
#2 in the list might surprise some : its the Fuji DR-II; a tape still 
available. In the Metal category there were some surprises as well - in 
order they were:
Sony Metal ES 94
Sony Metal Master 93
TDK MA-XG 93
Fuji Metal FR 92 (this one surprised me)
Maxell MX-S 89
- the TDK MA-X was #7 with a score of 88
- #8 was the (Realistic) RS Supertape M-IV 86 (another surprise)
- the venerable TDK MA was #11 with a score of 86

- one other interesting point: Fuji scored #1 in normal bias, #2 in high 
bias, and #4 in metal bias and were rated above average in dropouts.
I love metal tapes - they have great headroom and, at least to my ears, 
give crystal highs. I had hoped TDK might wait a few more years to stop 
making the MA's. The Alan Parsons Project sound real good on metal tapes !
Cheers,

Mark


From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Mar 27 06:34:00 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:34:00 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes (Maxell XLIIS)
Message-ID: <000e01c413bd$1bf36860$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Kannan & John,

I've used Maxell XLIIS cassettes for nearly 20 years now, and I honestly have never had one of these cassettes perform poorly with dropouts or inherent cassette mechanism failure.  A few have fallen due to poor use in factory issue auto cassette decks (I graduated to exclusively using Nak mobile decks back in 1989, no probs since then).  Really must state my opinion that Maxell XLIIS have been the most reliable CrO2 bias type cassette I have used.  Performed superbly in my Marantz and Nakamichi decks.  I've probably got about 200 XLIIS 60's, 90's, and maybe 30 100's in my cassette collection.  Some of the 60's and 90's have history with me back to 1985/86, and those still perform well.  I've been dabbling with other brands of cassettes during the winter months, even getting into some serious use of metal bias cassettes.  The super quality metals, like TDK MA-XG, MA-EX, Sony Metal Master, Maxell MX, MX-S are clearly at the highest plateau of potential performance.  Still though, the mainstay brand of cassette for everyday use in my studio, remains Maxell XLIIS.  These are almost all Japanese manufactured cassettes, with some of the later purchases and exchanges I've made (last couple years) being the UK/European editions.

Regards,

K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA



Message: 9
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:32:09 -0800
From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
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Kannan,

I recently purchased many XLII-S tapes through www.cheapbatteries.com  I
think this source has very good prices.

These tapes have given me zero problems so far although the rolling
mechanism is not as silky smooth as say Maxell MX tapes.  On the label the
small print says, "Made in England."  I do not know if it means the tape
itself is made in England or if the cassette is assembled in England from
tape made in Japan.  (I have Maxell UR Type I tapes which state on the
label:  "Assembled in Korea with Japan and US components.")

I do remember a post from someone who noted that tapes made in certain
countries in Europe were to be avoided.  The poster did not mention England.
If I do have problems with the English made XLII-S tapes I will certainly
notify everyone, but so far, so good.

Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes


> Jon
>
> I had bought about 20 Maxell XL IIS tapes in India about 2 years back and
found that almost 40% of the tapes had Droputs - Absolutely bad patches of
drop outs. While I had used XLII many times which are very consistant and I
would not hesitate to buy it. I stopped buying XLII S because of one
experience. However if the tape is very reputed and commands premium I do
not expect such problem in large numbers. However  I have never noticed
dropouts in TDK SA or SAX tapes while I found such tapes as CD Base or CD it
generally do not have decent recording qualities. If your experience is a
good one - it may be that my purchase may belong  to a specific production
lot and may not be observed here?
>
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Sat Mar 27 06:42:51 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:42:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Tapes
Message-ID: <001801c413be$58996b60$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Mark,

I've been using TDK SA and then SA-X tapes since they were introduced.....I believe about 30 years now.  I've never experienced any drop-outs.  My oldest tapes still play wonderfully.  All of the TDKs I have are screw shells....none welded.  More recently, I have also been using Maxell XLIIS tapes......no problems so far,  and TDK MA.....very nice sounding!

Most recently we were treated to some TDK MA-XGs that Kannan donated to our SF Area Nakathon....those are nice tapes!

You might go back into the Nahtalk archives about 1 year for some threads on this subject.  Kent Meredith in particular has a great deal of experience with all of these tapes, and there are some lengthy discussions in the archives.

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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Sat Mar 27 07:02:01 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:02:01 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes (Maxell XLIIS)
References: <000e01c413bd$1bf36860$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <003e01c413c1$096c39c0$ae6423c8@g8nsv>

I have been using TDK SA and SA-X for a long time here in Venezuela.....Even though here the type I cassette was the one you could find everywhere, the SA and SA-X were also very common.A couple of weeks ago I bought 10 of these but thte quality of both the shell and the tape was terrible; no screws, a very thin shell: it was a total waste of money.

Thanks to our Mr. Bleus, I was introduced to the Maxell XLII-S and these a re wonderful cassettes. I can say that the best CrO2 cassettes I've ever tried. Got like 20 of them through ebay and i am really very happy.

Isy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: KJ Bleus 
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:34 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tapes (Maxell XLIIS)


  Kannan & John, 

  I've used Maxell XLIIS cassettes for nearly 20 years now, and I honestly have never had one of these cassettes perform poorly with dropouts or inherent cassette mechanism failure.  A few have fallen due to poor use in factory issue auto cassette decks (I graduated to exclusively using Nak mobile decks back in 1989, no probs since then).  Really must state my opinion that Maxell XLIIS have been the most reliable CrO2 bias type cassette I have used.  Performed superbly in my Marantz and Nakamichi decks.  I've probably got about 200 XLIIS 60's, 90's, and maybe 30 100's in my cassette collection.  Some of the 60's and 90's have history with me back to 1985/86, and those still perform well.  I've been dabbling with other brands of cassettes during the winter months, even getting into some serious use of metal bias cassettes.  The super quality metals, like TDK MA-XG, MA-EX, Sony Metal Master, Maxell MX, MX-S are clearly at the highest plateau of potential performance.  Still though, the mainstay brand of cassette for everyday use in my studio, remains Maxell XLIIS.  These are almost all Japanese manufactured cassettes, with some of the later purchases and exchanges I've made (last couple years) being the UK/European editions.

  Regards,

  K.J. Bleus
  Madison, Wisc USA



  Message: 9
  Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:32:09 -0800
  From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Message-ID: <001201c41392$f0f111a0$0400000a at uswest.net>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  Kannan,

  I recently purchased many XLII-S tapes through www.cheapbatteries.com  I
  think this source has very good prices.

  These tapes have given me zero problems so far although the rolling
  mechanism is not as silky smooth as say Maxell MX tapes.  On the label the
  small print says, "Made in England."  I do not know if it means the tape
  itself is made in England or if the cassette is assembled in England from
  tape made in Japan.  (I have Maxell UR Type I tapes which state on the
  label:  "Assembled in Korea with Japan and US components.")

  I do remember a post from someone who noted that tapes made in certain
  countries in Europe were to be avoided.  The poster did not mention England.
  If I do have problems with the English made XLII-S tapes I will certainly
  notify everyone, but so far, so good.

  Jon

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
  To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes


  > Jon
  >
  > I had bought about 20 Maxell XL IIS tapes in India about 2 years back and
  found that almost 40% of the tapes had Droputs - Absolutely bad patches of
  drop outs. While I had used XLII many times which are very consistant and I
  would not hesitate to buy it. I stopped buying XLII S because of one
  experience. However if the tape is very reputed and commands premium I do
  not expect such problem in large numbers. However  I have never noticed
  dropouts in TDK SA or SAX tapes while I found such tapes as CD Base or CD it
  generally do not have decent recording qualities. If your experience is a
  good one - it may be that my purchase may belong  to a specific production
  lot and may not be observed here?
  >
  >



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Mar 27 10:33:00 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:33:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Subject Cassette Tapes
In-Reply-To: <4064E787.7070205@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000001c413de$7e9cf6e0$31d44c51@oemcomputer>

Personally, I've not experienced drop-out on TDK SA or SA-X.  My gripe with
them is that the older ones I have seem to have lost some of their top-end,
while the newer (European made) ones have badly made shells such that I have
to alter the azimuth setting when I flip over the tape to record on side B
after side A.  (I am using a ZX9.)  In contrast, my EMTEC Chrome tapes seem
to have more longevity and I don't have a problem with the shell.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark & Michelle Barrett
> Sent: 27 March 2004 02:32
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Subject Cassette Tapes
>
>
> Back in the 80's (I had Aiwa decks) I used TDK SA, SA-X, MA exclusively.
> Nowadays, I mainly use Maxell XLII for high bias. Haven't used an SA in
> years. Have tried a few of the SA-X. I guess my main concern in looking
> for good tapes is no dropout problems. I've heard this afflicts some or
> all of the TDK line. The only TDK tape I've used extensively in recent
> times is the MA. I have several well-played MA's and they sound just as
> clear and bright as the day I made the recording. I did buy 20 of the
> XLII-S tapes several months ago. I had problems with approx 1/3 of the
> batch rewinding/fast-forwarding, but they sound very good.
> Incidentally, in the 1993 (?) ratings of various tapes; Consumer Reports
> had the TDK SA-X as the top high bias tape with an overall score of 87.
> #2 in the list might surprise some : its the Fuji DR-II; a tape still
> available. In the Metal category there were some surprises as well - in
> order they were:
> Sony Metal ES 94
> Sony Metal Master 93
> TDK MA-XG 93
> Fuji Metal FR 92 (this one surprised me)
> Maxell MX-S 89
> - the TDK MA-X was #7 with a score of 88
> - #8 was the (Realistic) RS Supertape M-IV 86 (another surprise)
> - the venerable TDK MA was #11 with a score of 86
>
> - one other interesting point: Fuji scored #1 in normal bias, #2 in high
> bias, and #4 in metal bias and were rated above average in dropouts.
> I love metal tapes - they have great headroom and, at least to my ears,
> give crystal highs. I had hoped TDK might wait a few more years to stop
> making the MA's. The Alan Parsons Project sound real good on metal tapes !
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 27 10:46:57 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:46:57 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <BAY9-F25OHYcRbKR2OC00023478@hotmail.com>

That poster was me and it was regarding TDK cassettes made in Luxembourg - 
both the audio and the VHS are total crap. The UK Maxells are great - no 
probs whatosever.

George

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:32:09 -0800

Kannan,

I recently purchased many XLII-S tapes through www.cheapbatteries.com  I
think this source has very good prices.

These tapes have given me zero problems so far although the rolling
mechanism is not as silky smooth as say Maxell MX tapes.  On the label the
small print says, "Made in England."  I do not know if it means the tape
itself is made in England or if the cassette is assembled in England from
tape made in Japan.  (I have Maxell UR Type I tapes which state on the
label:  "Assembled in Korea with Japan and US components.")

I do remember a post from someone who noted that tapes made in certain
countries in Europe were to be avoided.  The poster did not mention England.
If I do have problems with the English made XLII-S tapes I will certainly
notify everyone, but so far, so good.

Jon

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From kevin at jameskev.plus.com  Sat Mar 27 12:04:29 2004
From: kevin at jameskev.plus.com (Kevin James)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:04:29 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members
Message-ID: <004101c413eb$47a7fb50$43ceae51@OWNERKJ>

During the night of 24/25 March 2004 two Nak decks were stolen from my home in North Bedfordshire, UK. The details are:
1. BX125E, serial no. 76815
2. CR 5E (unfortunately I had bought this deck only a few weeks before and had not made a note of the serial number)
Both decks in mint condition and unboxed.

They were part of a large haul including Michel Gyrodec (silver & black finish) / SMEIV (silver finish) / AT-OC9 /Gyropower, Musical Fidelity Nu Vista M3 amp and Nu Vista 3D cd, Meridian 601 dac, 602 cd transport and 204 tuner, Proac Response 3.5 (Light Oak veneer) and Proac Studio 200 speakers (Yew veneer), mf and meridian remotes, various Nordost and Chord cables & interconnects etc.

Please be cautious if offered any second hand equipment which includes a combination of the above items (I have receipts for all the stolen items and the burglar doesn't!)

Please also advise me by e-mail if you become aware of any information which might help the police recover these items. 

Best regards,
Kevin James
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From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Sat Mar 27 12:07:29 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:07:29 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
References: <40647168.6090907@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <012c01c413eb$b28a58f0$5e6132d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>

Hi Guys,

This is my first post.

Last November I purchased an immaculate and recently serviced 700 ZXL
including RM-300 remote and NR-100 external Dolby C from my friendly local
dealer.

It compliments my 582 and LX-3.

I thought I should probably buy a few new quality tapes to demonstrate this
deck to my friends.

I live in Sydney Australia and was shocked to find the tape supply situation
had changed significantly since I last bought tape.

Needless to say, I have been hording cassettes ever since but its getting
harder.

This is some of what I have been able to buy to date:

TDK MA-XG 60 & 90 (3 each)

MA-X 110 (3)

TDK MA-X 90 (5)

TDK MA-90 (about 70)

TDK MA-60 (about 10 but some still out there)

TDK SA-X 90 (2)

TDK SA-100 (12)

TDK SA-90 (about 60 but plenty still out there)

TDK SA-60 (about 10 but plenty still out there)

TDK  AD-120 (100 odd but still a few out there) I use these for a 2 hour
radio show; Stormy Monday on 2MBS FM.

TDK AD-90 (10 for $8)

Sony Metal XR 60 & 90 (4 & 3 each)

Fuji  Z II 90 (35 @ $2 each and the best chrome tape you can buy)

Fuji Z 60 (16)

Fuji DR-II 90 (9)

Maxell XL-II 110 (17)

Maxell XL-II 100 (2)

Maxell XL-II 90 (2)

Maxell XL-II 60 (2)

plus many more lower grade tapes.

Its been fun puting a collection of blank tapes together and I will continue
to buy better quality tapes if I can find them.

I am 40 years old and recieved my first cassette recorder (Sanyo) when I was
9 years old. These little buggers have been with me a long time.
I do not think I can give up on this recording medium.

Regards,

Rob








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:07 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes


> Folks,
>
> I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like to
> hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder and
> harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning nobody
> is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK MA
> left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a surprising
> tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've cleaned
> up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After hearing
> some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I switched
> over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell MS (studio
> version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell any
> difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means there
> isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it doesn't
> seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA and was a
> surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay ?
>
> Mark
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From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Sat Mar 27 12:47:46 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:47:46 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Chrome VS Metal
Message-ID: <015e01c413f1$52f39e00$5e6132d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>

I have been playing with my tapedecks.

Perhaps its the 2nd bottle of merlot, but I am convinced that my taped records sound better on chrome cassettes than metal but CDs sound much better on metal. Am I mad?

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From wjw at warwick.net  Sat Mar 27 13:10:25 2004
From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:10:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Chrome VS Metal
References: <015e01c413f1$52f39e00$5e6132d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>
Message-ID: <40656F31.583F7FCD@warwick.net>

The only way to properly determine this is to have a 3rd
bottle of merlot and conduct a survey among the dancing pink
elephants;-).

Robert Stynes wrote:

> I have been playing with my tapedecks. Perhaps its the 2nd
> bottle of merlot, but I am convinced that my taped records
> sound better on chrome cassettes than metal but CDs sound
> much better on metal. Am I mad? Rob
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From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Sat Mar 27 13:17:31 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:17:31 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Chrome VS Metal
References: <015e01c413f1$52f39e00$5e6132d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>
	<40656F31.583F7FCD@warwick.net>
Message-ID: <018f01c413f5$7b5e9d50$5e6132d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>

Thanks Bill,

You give me the will to go on.

Rob
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Wheatley 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 11:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Chrome VS Metal


  The only way to properly determine this is to have a 3rd bottle of merlot and conduct a survey among the dancing pink elephants;-). 
  Robert Stynes wrote: 

    I have been playing with my tapedecks. Perhaps its the 2nd bottle of merlot, but I am convinced that my taped records sound better on chrome cassettes than metal but CDs sound much better on metal. Am I mad? Rob 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Mar 27 18:06:19 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:06:19 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk ii
References: <001801c413be$58996b60$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <003801c4141d$d3ba5e30$56773242@CopyTech>

Robert:

Have you send the SF master to me ? I haven't receive it yet.

On other news:

Those who are interested to contribute in the Marathon Tape Mark II, it's time to start cleaning & aligning your decks. Please choose a very nice sounding selection, no longer than 5 minutes and this time we are going to use dolby B. Please, no dolby C or S.

Choose a nice CRO2 tape and send it to me. Due to some logistic problems we got into last time, now every interested contributor would send the tape with his choosen selection to me in order to be included in the final masters. I already have an Olivia Newton John crispy sounding selection from a friend in New York that it's going to be included. NO Classical Music (too long) or Hip-Hop allowed. Just Jazz, Rock or related music. If you choose an LP, please avoid those scratchy ones and do so if you have a high quality t-table only.

The project must be completed and running by summer,so, get up and record your selections now.

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

Thanks !
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:42 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Tapes


  Most recently we were treated to some TDK MA-XGs that Kannan donated to our SF Area Nakathon....those are nice tapes!

  Robert Kent


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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Mar 27 14:44:58 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:44:58 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members
In-Reply-To: <004101c413eb$47a7fb50$43ceae51@OWNERKJ>
Message-ID: <000a01c41401$b2266500$8edd4c51@oemcomputer>

Very sorry to hear this bad news, Kevin.  That's a lot of quality gear,
which sounds more like a professional job than some opportunist junky
looking to make a few Quid to score some more drugs.  May be an idea to
consider if they were particularly looking out for quality audio gear or if
they took a variety of other high value items.  If the former it's likely
that they were taken by someone who knows you had the equipment.  In that
case,be thinking about visitors, esp. tradesmen, who will have been inside
your house and may have noted what you have, not least some of the people
who will have known you had bought the NuVista gear ...

Also recommend you regularly search eBay for them ...

Best of luck - hope you get it all back.

Graham


 -----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Kevin James
Sent: 27 March 2004 11:04
To: Naktalk at naks.com
Cc: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members


  During the night of 24/25 March 2004 two Nak decks were stolen from my
home in North Bedfordshire, UK. The details are:
  1. BX125E, serial no. 76815
  2. CR 5E (unfortunately I had bought this deck only a few weeks before and
had not made a note of the serial number)
  Both decks in mint condition and unboxed.

  They were part of a large haul including Michel Gyrodec (silver & black
finish) / SMEIV (silver finish) / AT-OC9 /Gyropower, Musical Fidelity Nu
Vista M3 amp and Nu Vista 3D cd, Meridian 601 dac, 602 cd transport and 204
tuner, Proac Response 3.5 (Light Oak veneer) and Proac Studio 200 speakers
(Yew veneer), mf and meridian remotes, various Nordost and Chord cables &
interconnects etc.

  Please be cautious if offered any second hand equipment which includes a
combination of the above items (I have receipts for all the stolen items and
the burglar doesn't!)

  Please also advise me by e-mail if you become aware of any information
which might help the police recover these items.

  Best regards,
  Kevin James
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Mar 27 15:58:53 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:58:53 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] dropout
Message-ID: <001c01c4140c$05a15a00$84074c51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
are 'we' sure its the tape thats the problem in all these cases, the tape transport has some influence in this, loss of tension etc
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat Mar 27 17:48:36 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:48:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Subject - Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <4065B064.3020206@verizon.net>

The 20 XLII-S tapes I bought sound really nice, comparable to metal 
tape. The problem is...they too were discontinued by Maxell last year 
(at least here in the USA). No metal tapes.....no XLII-S.....this is 
becoming a problem !

Mark


From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat Mar 27 17:56:18 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:56:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Marathon Tape Mark II
Message-ID: <4065B232.5060600@verizon.net>

Carlos,

I am interested in sending a contribution. I aligned all 3 of my Naks in 
the last couple of weeks. Since I just recently started reading Naktalk; 
I'm unsure how this Marathon Tape thing works (?). I'm guessing you put 
together a master tape with everyone's contribution on it ? Do you then 
send it around ?
Tape length ? Number of selections ?
My contribution(s) would probably be Alan Parsons Project or The Moody 
Blues stuff - from LP's. The turntable is a Technics with a very nice 
cartridge - the ADC XLM Mk II and a new stylus. Any preference on decks 
- I could do it on any of my 3: ZX-7, 682ZX, CR-7A ?
Where are you ?

Mark Barrett
sharpei at verizon.net


From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Mar 27 18:20:52 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:20:52 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 
	Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk II)
References: <200403271402.i2RE2aju007503@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <005901c4141f$db382cd0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Carlos!

As we discussed one-on-one recently, I'm sending you my contribution for the
prospective Nak Marathon Tape, Mk II project.  I'm motivated, and recording
the music right now (heard of the '60's group, Traffic?  Just inducted into
the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame last week).  Let's ee now, the selection should
be less than five minutes, utilizing  Dolby B NR, on CrO2 tape.  I'm using
Maxell XLII cassette, vintage Japanese manufactured from the mid 1990's.
This time I'll record from MFSL UltraDisc to my Nak 680ZX deck.

Hopefully, you'll get enough NakTalkers contributions to make a full
cassette tape of great tunes, comparable to our original marathon tapes
project.  I recommend that others contact you ASAP to reserve a slot on the
final project recording space available.  Thanks for furthering the spirit
of sharing good music world-wide, through the collective use of our classic
Nak cassette deck gear.

Cannelure en musique ! ! !
 (Groove to the music!!!)

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:02 AM
Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41


>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:06:19 -0800
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk II
> To: <rjkent at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
>
>
> Robert:
>
> Have you send the SF master to me ? I haven't receive it yet.
>
> On other news:
>
> Those who are interested to contribute in the Marathon Tape Mark II, it's
time to start cleaning & aligning your decks. Please choose a very nice
sounding selection, no longer than 5 minutes and this time we are going to
use dolby B. Please, no dolby C or S.
>
> Choose a nice CRO2 tape and send it to me. Due to some logistic problems
we got into last time, now every interested contributor would send the tape
with his choosen selection to me in order to be included in the final
masters. I already have an Olivia Newton John crispy sounding selection from
a friend in New York that it's going to be included. NO Classical Music (too
long) or Hip-Hop allowed. Just Jazz, Rock or related music. If you choose an
LP, please avoid those scratchy ones and do so if you have a high quality
t-table only.
>
> The project must be completed and running by summer,so, get up and record
your selections now.
>
> Carlos J Guzman
> 51 Calle Batey
> Luquillo, PR 00773
>
> Thanks !

>
>
> End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
> ***************************************
>




From rolandpibb at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 27 18:16:56 2004
From: rolandpibb at yahoo.com (Roland Pibb :))
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:16:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Recording level on BX-2
Message-ID: <20040327171656.72644.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello.

I just purchased a BX-2 at a garage sale and I am very
impressed, it makes nice recordings, but like
everything else I own, I would like to tweak a little
if I could.

I'm using Maxell XL-II tapes and taping from CD and
I'm wondering where I should max out the peaks. 
Should the music hold at 0 with peaks at +3 or is this
too high/too low.  Dolby B on or off? etc

I don't have a manual so any and all input is
appreciated.

Cheers.

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Mar 27 18:32:43 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:32:43 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13,
	Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk II)
In-Reply-To: <005901c4141f$db382cd0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <000201c41421$8333c1a0$63d64c51@oemcomputer>

I'll be contributing.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of KJ Bleus
> Sent: 27 March 2004 17:21
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Cc: Carlos Guzman
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41 (Marathon Tape
> Mk II)
>
>
> Carlos!
>
> As we discussed one-on-one recently, I'm sending you my
> contribution for the
> prospective Nak Marathon Tape, Mk II project.  I'm motivated, and
> recording
> the music right now (heard of the '60's group, Traffic?  Just
> inducted into
> the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame last week).  Let's ee now, the
> selection should
> be less than five minutes, utilizing  Dolby B NR, on CrO2 tape.  I'm using
> Maxell XLII cassette, vintage Japanese manufactured from the mid 1990's.
> This time I'll record from MFSL UltraDisc to my Nak 680ZX deck.
>
> Hopefully, you'll get enough NakTalkers contributions to make a full
> cassette tape of great tunes, comparable to our original marathon tapes
> project.  I recommend that others contact you ASAP to reserve a
> slot on the
> final project recording space available.  Thanks for furthering the spirit
> of sharing good music world-wide, through the collective use of
> our classic
> Nak cassette deck gear.
>
> Cannelure en musique ! ! !
>  (Groove to the music!!!)
>
> Bleus de Nakker
> Madison, Wisc USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:02 AM
> Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
>
>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:06:19 -0800
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk II
> > To: <rjkent at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> >
> >
> > Robert:
> >
> > Have you send the SF master to me ? I haven't receive it yet.
> >
> > On other news:
> >
> > Those who are interested to contribute in the Marathon Tape
> Mark II, it's
> time to start cleaning & aligning your decks. Please choose a very nice
> sounding selection, no longer than 5 minutes and this time we are going to
> use dolby B. Please, no dolby C or S.
> >
> > Choose a nice CRO2 tape and send it to me. Due to some logistic problems
> we got into last time, now every interested contributor would
> send the tape
> with his choosen selection to me in order to be included in the final
> masters. I already have an Olivia Newton John crispy sounding
> selection from
> a friend in New York that it's going to be included. NO Classical
> Music (too
> long) or Hip-Hop allowed. Just Jazz, Rock or related music. If
> you choose an
> LP, please avoid those scratchy ones and do so if you have a high quality
> t-table only.
> >
> > The project must be completed and running by summer,so, get up
> and record
> your selections now.
> >
> > Carlos J Guzman
> > 51 Calle Batey
> > Luquillo, PR 00773
> >
> > Thanks !
>
> >
> >
> > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
> > ***************************************
> >
>
>
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Sat Mar 27 19:03:57 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:03:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13,
	Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk II)
References: <000201c41421$8333c1a0$63d64c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002701c41425$e4429210$3f6423c8@g8nsv>

Me too...already selected a nice piece from Arturo Sandoval to put some
latin groove on the final project....jejejeje

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Carlos Guzman" <6feet-under at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13,Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk
II)


> I'll be contributing.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of KJ Bleus
> > Sent: 27 March 2004 17:21
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Cc: Carlos Guzman
> > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41 (Marathon Tape
> > Mk II)
> >
> >
> > Carlos!
> >
> > As we discussed one-on-one recently, I'm sending you my
> > contribution for the
> > prospective Nak Marathon Tape, Mk II project.  I'm motivated, and
> > recording
> > the music right now (heard of the '60's group, Traffic?  Just
> > inducted into
> > the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame last week).  Let's ee now, the
> > selection should
> > be less than five minutes, utilizing  Dolby B NR, on CrO2 tape.  I'm
using
> > Maxell XLII cassette, vintage Japanese manufactured from the mid 1990's.
> > This time I'll record from MFSL UltraDisc to my Nak 680ZX deck.
> >
> > Hopefully, you'll get enough NakTalkers contributions to make a full
> > cassette tape of great tunes, comparable to our original marathon tapes
> > project.  I recommend that others contact you ASAP to reserve a
> > slot on the
> > final project recording space available.  Thanks for furthering the
spirit
> > of sharing good music world-wide, through the collective use of
> > our classic
> > Nak cassette deck gear.
> >
> > Cannelure en musique ! ! !
> >  (Groove to the music!!!)
> >
> > Bleus de Nakker
> > Madison, Wisc USA
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:02 AM
> > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:06:19 -0800
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk II
> > > To: <rjkent at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert:
> > >
> > > Have you send the SF master to me ? I haven't receive it yet.
> > >
> > > On other news:
> > >
> > > Those who are interested to contribute in the Marathon Tape
> > Mark II, it's
> > time to start cleaning & aligning your decks. Please choose a very nice
> > sounding selection, no longer than 5 minutes and this time we are going
to
> > use dolby B. Please, no dolby C or S.
> > >
> > > Choose a nice CRO2 tape and send it to me. Due to some logistic
problems
> > we got into last time, now every interested contributor would
> > send the tape
> > with his choosen selection to me in order to be included in the final
> > masters. I already have an Olivia Newton John crispy sounding
> > selection from
> > a friend in New York that it's going to be included. NO Classical
> > Music (too
> > long) or Hip-Hop allowed. Just Jazz, Rock or related music. If
> > you choose an
> > LP, please avoid those scratchy ones and do so if you have a high
quality
> > t-table only.
> > >
> > > The project must be completed and running by summer,so, get up
> > and record
> > your selections now.
> > >
> > > Carlos J Guzman
> > > 51 Calle Batey
> > > Luquillo, PR 00773
> > >
> > > Thanks !
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
> > > ***************************************
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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From baladur at gmx.net  Sat Mar 27 19:56:29 2004
From: baladur at gmx.net (j.gruber)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:56:29 +0100
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette
	Tapes
References: <BAY9-F25OHYcRbKR2OC00023478@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4142d$36e97590$5e4a8450@jpn5r0wpmx2bqe>

hi guys!
A lot of hifi units are labeled "made in japan"AND"manufactured in taiwan"
or where ever.
As I researched ,"made in" only means -where the "brands" origin is, rsp.
where it is registered.
jens
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Valkov" <g_valkov at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette
Tapes


> That poster was me and it was regarding TDK cassettes made in Luxembourg -
> both the audio and the VHS are total crap. The UK Maxells are great - no
> probs whatosever.
>
> George
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:32:09 -0800
>
> Kannan,
>
> I recently purchased many XLII-S tapes through www.cheapbatteries.com  I
> think this source has very good prices.
>
> These tapes have given me zero problems so far although the rolling
> mechanism is not as silky smooth as say Maxell MX tapes.  On the label the
> small print says, "Made in England."  I do not know if it means the tape
> itself is made in England or if the cassette is assembled in England from
> tape made in Japan.  (I have Maxell UR Type I tapes which state on the
> label:  "Assembled in Korea with Japan and US components.")
>
> I do remember a post from someone who noted that tapes made in certain
> countries in Europe were to be avoided.  The poster did not mention
England.
> If I do have problems with the English made XLII-S tapes I will certainly
> notify everyone, but so far, so good.
>
> Jon
>
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Sat Mar 27 20:53:48 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:53:48 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk ii
Message-ID: <12e.3dedfcfa.2d9735cc@aol.com>

I'd like to contribute this time around but have a couple of questions. I 
have no idea the last time my new CR7 was aligned since I purchased it, is there 
any way to tell? Is this alignment something I can do or will this be 
something for Mr. Sank? It sounds beautiful to me and I clean and demagnetize 
regularly. Also, would there be any objection to some type of hard rock music? I don't 
mean the bang your head kind with the screaming banshees, just something 
mellow done by a heavier type band. 

Thanks,
Anthony
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat Mar 27 21:01:15 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:01:15 -0600
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject:
	CassetteTapes
In-Reply-To: <000b01c4142d$36e97590$5e4a8450@jpn5r0wpmx2bqe>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAELACBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

I haven't seen a unit/tape where there would be a logical AND of "made in X"
and "manufactured in Y". I.e., following your logic, every TDK, SONY,
Toyota, SEIKO would be "Made in Japan" as this is the location of the
company HQ.

In watch industry, there is a lot that needs to be satisfied to say "Swiss
Made". Typically you see "Swiss Movement" AND "made in Taiwan".

In car industry, the US dealer stickers expressly state which parts of the
car / how much content was made where.

With electronics I have typically seen "Made in Malaysia" [or some other far
East country].

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of j.gruber
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:56 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject:
CassetteTapes


hi guys!
A lot of hifi units are labeled "made in japan"AND"manufactured in taiwan"
or where ever.
As I researched ,"made in" only means -where the "brands" origin is, rsp.
where it is registered.
jens
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Valkov" <g_valkov at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette
Tapes


> That poster was me and it was regarding TDK cassettes made in Luxembourg -
> both the audio and the VHS are total crap. The UK Maxells are great - no
> probs whatosever.
>
> George
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:32:09 -0800
>
> Kannan,
>
> I recently purchased many XLII-S tapes through www.cheapbatteries.com  I
> think this source has very good prices.
>
> These tapes have given me zero problems so far although the rolling
> mechanism is not as silky smooth as say Maxell MX tapes.  On the label the
> small print says, "Made in England."  I do not know if it means the tape
> itself is made in England or if the cassette is assembled in England from
> tape made in Japan.  (I have Maxell UR Type I tapes which state on the
> label:  "Assembled in Korea with Japan and US components.")
>
> I do remember a post from someone who noted that tapes made in certain
> countries in Europe were to be avoided.  The poster did not mention
England.
> If I do have problems with the English made XLII-S tapes I will certainly
> notify everyone, but so far, so good.
>
> Jon
>
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From baladur at gmx.net  Sat Mar 27 21:46:34 2004
From: baladur at gmx.net (j.gruber)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:46:34 +0100
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** RE: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re:
	[naktalk] Naktalk Subject:CassetteTapes
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAELACBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000801c4143d$51122240$47418450@jpn5r0wpmx2bqe>

Hi Stan,good evening,
Here is an example from a portable transistor.
That is what I meant.Several portable transistors from the mid 80s are
identically produced.
I.e.:
lasonic
crown
intersound
goldstar
unisef
There are several examples for hifi components too.
An example for naks :  The first nak I had was a "elac700 tri tracer " [the
mkI]
This one was labeled :
["MADE BY ELAC ELECTROACUSTIK KIEL GERMANY"
manufactured in japan by nakamichi corp]
Maybe this was examples are limited on
consumer electronics,I don`t know.
Best wishes
Jens


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** RE: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk]
Naktalk Subject:CassetteTapes


> I haven't seen a unit/tape where there would be a logical AND of "made in
X"
> and "manufactured in Y". I.e., following your logic, every TDK, SONY,
> Toyota, SEIKO would be "Made in Japan" as this is the location of the
> company HQ.
>
> In watch industry, there is a lot that needs to be satisfied to say "Swiss
> Made". Typically you see "Swiss Movement" AND "made in Taiwan".
>
> In car industry, the US dealer stickers expressly state which parts of the
> car / how much content was made where.
>
> With electronics I have typically seen "Made in Malaysia" [or some other
far
> East country].
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of j.gruber
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:56 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject:
> CassetteTapes
>
>
> hi guys!
> A lot of hifi units are labeled "made in japan"AND"manufactured in taiwan"
> or where ever.
> As I researched ,"made in" only means -where the "brands" origin is, rsp.
> where it is registered.
> jens
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Valkov" <g_valkov at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:46 AM
> Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette
> Tapes
>
>
> > That poster was me and it was regarding TDK cassettes made in
Luxembourg -
> > both the audio and the VHS are total crap. The UK Maxells are great - no
> > probs whatosever.
> >
> > George
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
> > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:32:09 -0800
> >
> > Kannan,
> >
> > I recently purchased many XLII-S tapes through www.cheapbatteries.com  I
> > think this source has very good prices.
> >
> > These tapes have given me zero problems so far although the rolling
> > mechanism is not as silky smooth as say Maxell MX tapes.  On the label
the
> > small print says, "Made in England."  I do not know if it means the tape
> > itself is made in England or if the cassette is assembled in England
from
> > tape made in Japan.  (I have Maxell UR Type I tapes which state on the
> > label:  "Assembled in Korea with Japan and US components.")
> >
> > I do remember a post from someone who noted that tapes made in certain
> > countries in Europe were to be avoided.  The poster did not mention
> England.
> > If I do have problems with the English made XLII-S tapes I will
certainly
> > notify everyone, but so far, so good.
> >
> > Jon
> >
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From kevin at jameskev.plus.com  Sat Mar 27 22:31:20 2004
From: kevin at jameskev.plus.com (Kevin James)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:31:20 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members
References: <000a01c41401$b2266500$8edd4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003801c41442$d9873390$e2ccae51@OWNERKJ>

Hi Graham,

Thanks for the comment. I was thinking along the same lines as you. The police seem to prefer the opportunist junky/traveller theory but it doesn't stack up with me. None of my furniture was damaged or stolen and a lot of the audio gear would have been too heavy for one guy to carry. Also there was no malicious damage inside the house (graffiti or smashed things) except for the patio door which they forced to get in.

I should correct one piece of information from the first message. The finish of the Michel Gyrodec should be bronze and black not silver and black. The SME IV arm was silver.
I have dug out serial numbers for some of the stolen items and these are:

MF Nu Vista M3 amp: s/n M300104
MF Nu Vista 3D cd: s/n 3D00111
Proac Studio 200 speakers: s/n P14451
Hitachi FT-MD 5500 tuner: s/n 70007991
Marantz CD63 K1 signature cd: s/n SVO 29532002756

Members - don't get stung with any of these items.

rgds,
Kevin James
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gimli 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members


  Very sorry to hear this bad news, Kevin.  That's a lot of quality gear, which sounds more like a professional job than some opportunist junky looking to make a few Quid to score some more drugs.  May be an idea to consider if they were particularly looking out for quality audio gear or if they took a variety of other high value items.  If the former it's likely that they were taken by someone who knows you had the equipment.  In that case,be thinking about visitors, esp. tradesmen, who will have been inside your house and may have noted what you have, not least some of the people who will have known you had bought the NuVista gear ... 

  Also recommend you regularly search eBay for them ... 

  Best of luck - hope you get it all back.

  Graham

   
   -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin James
  Sent: 27 March 2004 11:04
  To: Naktalk at naks.com
  Cc: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members


    During the night of 24/25 March 2004 two Nak decks were stolen from my home in North Bedfordshire, UK. The details are:
    1. BX125E, serial no. 76815
    2. CR 5E (unfortunately I had bought this deck only a few weeks before and had not made a note of the serial number)
    Both decks in mint condition and unboxed.

    They were part of a large haul including Michel Gyrodec (silver & black finish) / SMEIV (silver finish) / AT-OC9 /Gyropower, Musical Fidelity Nu Vista M3 amp and Nu Vista 3D cd, Meridian 601 dac, 602 cd transport and 204 tuner, Proac Response 3.5 (Light Oak veneer) and Proac Studio 200 speakers (Yew veneer), mf and meridian remotes, various Nordost and Chord cables & interconnects etc.

    Please be cautious if offered any second hand equipment which includes a combination of the above items (I have receipts for all the stolen items and the burglar doesn't!)

    Please also advise me by e-mail if you become aware of any information which might help the police recover these items. 

    Best regards,
    Kevin James


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Mar 27 23:49:59 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:49:59 -0000
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk] Naktalk
	Subject:CassetteTapes
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAELACBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000101c4144d$d553e920$60ec4c51@oemcomputer>

Different countries have different labelling laws.  I believe the label
"Made in Britain" when it is used in the UK means that the product was
assembled here.  The parts may or may not have been manufactured in the UK.
E.g. clothes may say "Made in Britain" but the cloth from which they were
made could have come from, say, India.  Although, I notice that Toyota and
Nissan tend to say their cars are "assembled" in their UK factories, which
they are using many parts shipped in from abroad.  Otherwise, UK car makers
don't generally say from which country the components of the car were made -
they don't have to specify this.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Stan Targowski
> Sent: 27 March 2004 20:01
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [naktalk] Naktalk
> Subject:CassetteTapes
>
>
> I haven't seen a unit/tape where there would be a logical AND of
> "made in X"
> and "manufactured in Y". I.e., following your logic, every TDK, SONY,
> Toyota, SEIKO would be "Made in Japan" as this is the location of the
> company HQ.
>
> In watch industry, there is a lot that needs to be satisfied to say "Swiss
> Made". Typically you see "Swiss Movement" AND "made in Taiwan".
>
> In car industry, the US dealer stickers expressly state which parts of the
> car / how much content was made where.
>
> With electronics I have typically seen "Made in Malaysia" [or
> some other far
> East country].
>
> Stan
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Mar 28 10:20:06 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:20:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13,
	Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk II)
References: <200403271402.i2RE2aju007503@zebra.naks.com>
	<005901c4141f$db382cd0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <001501c4149d$7abf60c0$3b773242@CopyTech>

Good !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Carlos Guzman" <6feet-under at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:20 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk
II)


> Carlos!
>
> As we discussed one-on-one recently, I'm sending you my contribution for
the
> prospective Nak Marathon Tape, Mk II project.  I'm motivated, and
recording
> the music right now (heard of the '60's group, Traffic?  Just inducted
into
> the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame last week).  Let's ee now, the selection
should
> be less than five minutes, utilizing  Dolby B NR, on CrO2 tape.  I'm using
> Maxell XLII cassette, vintage Japanese manufactured from the mid 1990's.
> This time I'll record from MFSL UltraDisc to my Nak 680ZX deck.
>
> Hopefully, you'll get enough NakTalkers contributions to make a full
> cassette tape of great tunes, comparable to our original marathon tapes
> project.  I recommend that others contact you ASAP to reserve a slot on
the
> final project recording space available.  Thanks for furthering the spirit
> of sharing good music world-wide, through the collective use of our
classic
> Nak cassette deck gear.
>
> Cannelure en musique ! ! !
>  (Groove to the music!!!)
>
> Bleus de Nakker
> Madison, Wisc USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:02 AM
> Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
>
>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:06:19 -0800
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk II
> > To: <rjkent at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> >
> >
> > Robert:
> >
> > Have you send the SF master to me ? I haven't receive it yet.
> >
> > On other news:
> >
> > Those who are interested to contribute in the Marathon Tape Mark II,
it's
> time to start cleaning & aligning your decks. Please choose a very nice
> sounding selection, no longer than 5 minutes and this time we are going to
> use dolby B. Please, no dolby C or S.
> >
> > Choose a nice CRO2 tape and send it to me. Due to some logistic problems
> we got into last time, now every interested contributor would send the
tape
> with his choosen selection to me in order to be included in the final
> masters. I already have an Olivia Newton John crispy sounding selection
from
> a friend in New York that it's going to be included. NO Classical Music
(too
> long) or Hip-Hop allowed. Just Jazz, Rock or related music. If you choose
an
> LP, please avoid those scratchy ones and do so if you have a high quality
> t-table only.
> >
> > The project must be completed and running by summer,so, get up and
record
> your selections now.
> >
> > Carlos J Guzman
> > 51 Calle Batey
> > Luquillo, PR 00773
> >
> > Thanks !
>
> >
> >
> > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
> > ***************************************
> >
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Mar 28 10:21:07 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:21:07 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13,
	Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk II)
References: <000201c41421$8333c1a0$63d64c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001f01c4149d$9efe8d80$3b773242@CopyTech>

I knew you will ... You always do and I'm glad.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Carlos Guzman" <6feet-under at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13,Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk
II)


> I'll be contributing.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of KJ Bleus
> > Sent: 27 March 2004 17:21
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Cc: Carlos Guzman
> > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41 (Marathon Tape
> > Mk II)
> >
> >
> > Carlos!
> >
> > As we discussed one-on-one recently, I'm sending you my
> > contribution for the
> > prospective Nak Marathon Tape, Mk II project.  I'm motivated, and
> > recording
> > the music right now (heard of the '60's group, Traffic?  Just
> > inducted into
> > the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame last week).  Let's ee now, the
> > selection should
> > be less than five minutes, utilizing  Dolby B NR, on CrO2 tape.  I'm
using
> > Maxell XLII cassette, vintage Japanese manufactured from the mid 1990's.
> > This time I'll record from MFSL UltraDisc to my Nak 680ZX deck.
> >
> > Hopefully, you'll get enough NakTalkers contributions to make a full
> > cassette tape of great tunes, comparable to our original marathon tapes
> > project.  I recommend that others contact you ASAP to reserve a
> > slot on the
> > final project recording space available.  Thanks for furthering the
spirit
> > of sharing good music world-wide, through the collective use of
> > our classic
> > Nak cassette deck gear.
> >
> > Cannelure en musique ! ! !
> >  (Groove to the music!!!)
> >
> > Bleus de Nakker
> > Madison, Wisc USA
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:02 AM
> > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:06:19 -0800
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk II
> > > To: <rjkent at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert:
> > >
> > > Have you send the SF master to me ? I haven't receive it yet.
> > >
> > > On other news:
> > >
> > > Those who are interested to contribute in the Marathon Tape
> > Mark II, it's
> > time to start cleaning & aligning your decks. Please choose a very nice
> > sounding selection, no longer than 5 minutes and this time we are going
to
> > use dolby B. Please, no dolby C or S.
> > >
> > > Choose a nice CRO2 tape and send it to me. Due to some logistic
problems
> > we got into last time, now every interested contributor would
> > send the tape
> > with his choosen selection to me in order to be included in the final
> > masters. I already have an Olivia Newton John crispy sounding
> > selection from
> > a friend in New York that it's going to be included. NO Classical
> > Music (too
> > long) or Hip-Hop allowed. Just Jazz, Rock or related music. If
> > you choose an
> > LP, please avoid those scratchy ones and do so if you have a high
quality
> > t-table only.
> > >
> > > The project must be completed and running by summer,so, get up
> > and record
> > your selections now.
> > >
> > > Carlos J Guzman
> > > 51 Calle Batey
> > > Luquillo, PR 00773
> > >
> > > Thanks !
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
> > > ***************************************
> > >
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Mar 28 10:23:27 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:23:27 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk ii
References: <12e.3dedfcfa.2d9735cc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004601c4149d$f2b3b0e0$3b773242@CopyTech>

If it sounds good, then it is ok. Unless you have some worn parts in the drive mechanism, you wouldn't need anything. Just record your selection and you are in.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BADANTH at aol.com 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 11:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk ii


  I'd like to contribute this time around but have a couple of questions. I have no idea the last time my new CR7 was aligned since I purchased it, is there any way to tell? Is this alignment something I can do or will this be something for Mr. Sank? It sounds beautiful to me and I clean and demagnetize regularly. Also, would there be any objection to some type of hard rock music? I don't mean the bang your head kind with the screaming banshees, just something mellow done by a heavier type band. 

  Thanks,
  Anthony 


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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Mar 28 10:34:44 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:34:44 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk ii
References: <12e.3dedfcfa.2d9735cc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008601c4149f$860ea9c0$3b773242@CopyTech>

Marathon Tape Mark ii is finally here !

Again, here're the rules:

NO ALIGNING TONES OF ANY KIND, PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Selection under 5 minutes
Dolby B encoded
NO more than +4 db of constant level
No Rap, Classical or Hip Hop
Crome Tape Only - Metal Accepted
Try to use the shortest tape possible as the tapes wouldn't be returned.
No Nak deck, no problem. All brands accepted.
Final product would be a CD.
As of today, you can start sending the material to me.
Deadline: May 31 2004

Send it Air Mail to:

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

Don't wait until last moment. It would be more difficult for me. This time I'll include the selections in each of the volumes according to the receival date order. This year could be 3 volumes.

That's all by now.

Carlos

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Mar 28 10:36:46 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:36:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13,
	Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk II)
References: <200403271402.i2RE2aju007503@zebra.naks.com>
	<005901c4141f$db382cd0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <00a201c4149f$ce7ef980$3b773242@CopyTech>

Very nice, Bleus. Yes, I'm familiar with that group. Just try to use a
clean, nice sounding selection. The better the sound, less digital
manipulation of the sound I'll have to do in the mastering.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Carlos Guzman" <6feet-under at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:20 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41 (Marathon Tape Mk
II)


> Carlos!
>
> As we discussed one-on-one recently, I'm sending you my contribution for
the
> prospective Nak Marathon Tape, Mk II project.  I'm motivated, and
recording
> the music right now (heard of the '60's group, Traffic?  Just inducted
into
> the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame last week).  Let's ee now, the selection
should
> be less than five minutes, utilizing  Dolby B NR, on CrO2 tape.  I'm using
> Maxell XLII cassette, vintage Japanese manufactured from the mid 1990's.
> This time I'll record from MFSL UltraDisc to my Nak 680ZX deck.
>
> Hopefully, you'll get enough NakTalkers contributions to make a full
> cassette tape of great tunes, comparable to our original marathon tapes
> project.  I recommend that others contact you ASAP to reserve a slot on
the
> final project recording space available.  Thanks for furthering the spirit
> of sharing good music world-wide, through the collective use of our
classic
> Nak cassette deck gear.
>
> Cannelure en musique ! ! !
>  (Groove to the music!!!)
>
> Bleus de Nakker
> Madison, Wisc USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:02 AM
> Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
>
>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:06:19 -0800
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk II
> > To: <rjkent at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> >
> >
> > Robert:
> >
> > Have you send the SF master to me ? I haven't receive it yet.
> >
> > On other news:
> >
> > Those who are interested to contribute in the Marathon Tape Mark II,
it's
> time to start cleaning & aligning your decks. Please choose a very nice
> sounding selection, no longer than 5 minutes and this time we are going to
> use dolby B. Please, no dolby C or S.
> >
> > Choose a nice CRO2 tape and send it to me. Due to some logistic problems
> we got into last time, now every interested contributor would send the
tape
> with his choosen selection to me in order to be included in the final
> masters. I already have an Olivia Newton John crispy sounding selection
from
> a friend in New York that it's going to be included. NO Classical Music
(too
> long) or Hip-Hop allowed. Just Jazz, Rock or related music. If you choose
an
> LP, please avoid those scratchy ones and do so if you have a high quality
> t-table only.
> >
> > The project must be completed and running by summer,so, get up and
record
> your selections now.
> >
> > Carlos J Guzman
> > 51 Calle Batey
> > Luquillo, PR 00773
> >
> > Thanks !
>
> >
> >
> > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 41
> > ***************************************
> >
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Mar 28 10:41:03 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:41:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Marathon Tape Mark II
References: <4065B232.5060600@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00a801c414a0$6803d120$3b773242@CopyTech>

Gents:

I do have another idea:

Since the guys of the west coast has just finished their Nakathon project,
why we don't make this program as one of this year's Marathon's Tape Volumes
? That way, we don't have to make 2 different projects. Incorporating this
Volume from the west coast as a bonus would be exciting !

What do you all think about it ? At the mean time, the seven guys involved
in this project don't need to send any further contribution to the Marathon
MK II Saga.

Carlos



From ti at amb.org  Sun Mar 28 08:45:19 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:45:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Marathon Tape Mark II
In-Reply-To: <00a801c414a0$6803d120$3b773242@CopyTech> from "El Magnifico" at
	Mar 28, 2004 12:41:03 AM
Message-ID: <200403280645.GAA23231@amb.org>

Hi Carlos,

Sounds like a fine plan to me...  You might want to label that particular
CD as the "San Francisco bay area volume" or somesuch :)

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6

El Magnifico writes:
> Gents:
> I do have another idea:
> Since the guys of the west coast has just finished their Nakathon project,
> why we don't make this program as one of this year's Marathon's Tape Volumes
> ? That way, we don't have to make 2 different projects. Incorporating this
> Volume from the west coast as a bonus would be exciting !
> 
> What do you all think about it ? At the mean time, the seven guys involved
> in this project don't need to send any further contribution to the Marathon
> MK II Saga.



From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Mar 28 09:04:13 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:04:13 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon II  and SF Marathon
Message-ID: <000c01c41492$e090e730$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Carlos,

My contribution for Marathon II is in the mail on Monday morning.

Is it possible the SF Marathon Master Tape got miss-directed while you were in Toronto?  If it doesn't turn up soon, let me know.  I can send along my copy (Dolby B), but I would really like to get that back.

Thanks for your efforts in these wonderful projects!!!!

Robert Kent
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From ThomasHuropp at web.de  Sun Mar 28 13:51:42 2004
From: ThomasHuropp at web.de (ThomasHuropp at web.de)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:51:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Please Help!
Message-ID: <4066BC4D.AA74EC2@web.de>

I need the technical specifications for my DRAGON urgently, because the
capstan drives refuse to do their job and my local service station wants
to repair this and also do an overall-checkup... if you can - please,
HELP!

Thank you,

Thomas



From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Mar 28 19:51:13 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:51:13 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Marathon Tape Mark II
References: <200403280645.GAA23231@amb.org>
Message-ID: <000f01c414ed$437aea30$45773242@CopyTech>

Sure: It could say: " Volume iii: San Francisco Nakathon" or "The San
Francisco Session"

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Marathon Tape Mark II


> Hi Carlos,
>
> Sounds like a fine plan to me...  You might want to label that particular
> CD as the "San Francisco bay area volume" or somesuch :)
>
> -Ti
> -- 
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
>
> El Magnifico writes:
> > Gents:
> > I do have another idea:
> > Since the guys of the west coast has just finished their Nakathon
project,
> > why we don't make this program as one of this year's Marathon's Tape
Volumes
> > ? That way, we don't have to make 2 different projects. Incorporating
this
> > Volume from the west coast as a bonus would be exciting !
> >
> > What do you all think about it ? At the mean time, the seven guys
involved
> > in this project don't need to send any further contribution to the
Marathon
> > MK II Saga.
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Mar 28 19:53:22 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:53:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon II  and SF Marathon
References: <000c01c41492$e090e730$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <003201c414ed$97bcbd30$45773242@CopyTech>

I asked my wife this morning amd nothinh has shown up yet in the mail. I'll check again and let you know. Let's give it this week. By the way, Robert, if you send the SF session, we wouldn't need and extra contribution since the bay's tape would become a whole volume by itself.

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 11:04 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon II and SF Marathon


  Hi Carlos,

  My contribution for Marathon II is in the mail on Monday morning.

  Is it possible the SF Marathon Master Tape got miss-directed while you were in Toronto?  If it doesn't turn up soon, let me know.  I can send along my copy (Dolby B), but I would really like to get that back.

  Thanks for your efforts in these wonderful projects!!!!

  Robert Kent


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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Mar 28 16:18:17 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:18:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX (Playback Wow & Flutter???)
Message-ID: <001701c414cf$842109c0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Here's the deal, I've got a really nice classic Nak 680ZX deck, record and playback results are excellent. Only thing that annoys me is that the deck has the left flourescent level meter fluctuating ever so slightly where no signal is recorded as the cassettes are in playback. This is evident when a cassette, is starting from the leader tape and into the actual magnetic tape, and is apparent until music recorded on the cassette begins. Standard speed setting, no extra buttons pushed, just basic playback with type II/IV bias cassettes.

Symptoms are: Before the actual recording or playback commences, during the silent leading twenty seconds or so, I can observe this little wiggle variation in the left meter. Only during playback, not evident during record activities. I hear no difference, even with headphones. Next step for me is to do an analysis with my T-100 analyzer, wow, flutter, azimuth variations. I'm speculating that the level meter itself is deteriorating, or (shudder) perhaps the forshadowing of problems with the dreaded orange capacitor disease within the 680ZX.

Any speculative opinions from you NakTalkers is appreciated as I further my quest.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Sun Mar 28 17:33:38 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:33:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX (Playback Wow & Flutter???)
In-Reply-To: <001701c414cf$842109c0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <4066AA02.14508.670A7A@localhost>


>From what I can glean from the schematic it seems unlikely that the problem is in the level 
meter circuit itself.  It appears that the audio feed for the level meters comes from the line 
amp itself, so you the level meters should be displaying the same thing that you hear in 
your headphones.  If this is so, then perhaps the meters are displaying something that your 
headphones can't reproduce or that you can't hear.  An oscilloscope would be useful for 
seeing this.

If I were going to play long odds, I would bet on your left channel dolby I.C. being the 
culprit.

tim


> 
> Here's the deal, I've got a really nice classic Nak 680ZX deck, record
> and playback results are excellent. Only thing that annoys me isthat
> the deck has the leftflourescent level meter fluctuating ever so
> slightly where no signal is recorded as the cassettes are in playback.
> This is evident when a cassette,is starting from the leader tape and
> into the actual magnetic tape,and is apparent untilmusic recorded on
> the cassette begins. Standard speed setting, no extra buttons pushed,
> just basic playback with type II/IV bias cassettes.
> 
> Symptoms are: Before the actual recording or playbackcommences, during
> the silent leading twenty seconds or so, I can observe this little
> wiggle variation in the left meter. Only during playback, not evident
> during record activities. I hear no difference, even with headphones.
> Next step for me is to do an analysis with my T-100 analyzer, wow,
> flutter, azimuth variations.I'm speculating that the level meter
> itself is deteriorating, or (shudder) perhaps the forshadowing of
> problems with the dreaded orange capacitor disease within the 680ZX.
> 
> Any speculative opinions from you NakTalkers is appreciated as I
> further my quest.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bleus de Nakker
> Madison, Wisc USA





From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Sun Mar 28 17:38:24 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:38:24 EST
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1 TRANSPORT
	BUTTONS DONT WORK!!
Message-ID: <2b.537b5aa7.2d984b70@aol.com>

Hi Guys!      First I want to thank, Kent, Graham and another nice na kker 
who helped me get the serivce manual for this revox b-710 Mk1 cassette deck.  
Unfortunately, the revox manual has NO! trouble shooting guide and is very 
vague! they have no mention on how to fix the machine if the fast forward, rewind , 
play and record button dont work!  I have replaced the micro processor 
MK-3870/20  only to see the spool motors running haywire! at full speed! even when 
the deck the  set in OFF position, this replacement micro processor has the 
same number as the orginal one!  Also the mic pre-amp in not working!

Iam sorry to be asking about help for this revox machine as I could not find 
revox fans talk forum  like we have for nakamichi  here. I know lots of you 
nice nakkers must have one of this machine as its equal of nakamichis as I have 
Nakamichi Dragon but the quality of this revox is way ahead of the Nakamichis! 
sorry to say that but to my eye revox looks much much better built with no 
plastic and no belts!! whereas the dragon has plastic everywhere even in the 
tape transport gears inside! one would have expected a little better quality 
parts considering it sold for so much!!!  anyway!  I dont want to start a argument 
its my own opinion and everyone has a right to disagree with me!!  and dont 
get me wrong even with all the plastic the Dragon still sound fantastic and 
works well!  but oh that revox!! it just shouts  QUALITY!! WITH 4 MOTORS!! WISH 
SOMEONE CAN ADVICE ME AS TO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS BEAUTY!!  I AM VERY CAREFUL 
TO SEND IT OUT FOR REPAIRS AS I HAVE HEARD LOTS OF SCARY STORIES,  IF YOU 
NICE SOULS KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS BEAUTY AS TOT WHY?!! ITS NOT REWINDING, 
FAST FOWARDING, PLAYING AND RECORDING I.E NONE OF THE TAPE TRANSPORT BUTTONS 
ARE WORKING!! IT POWERS UP! THE HEAD LIFTING CIRCUIT IS WORKING  WHICH ENGAGES 
THE HEADS AND THE CAPSTAN MOTORS ARE WORKING BUT WHEN YOU PUT THE LEVER IN OFF 
POSITION THEY CONTINUE TO ROTATE AND DONT STOP! THE COUNTER SEEMS TO BE 
WORKING TOO! AND COSMETICALLY ITS IN MINT CONDITION !!


Sorry! to bother you nice nakkers with my problems with this Revox but any 
kind HELP! to bring this beauty to work again will be greatly appreciated, I am 
handy with tools and have knowledge of electronics if someone can guide me 
step by step I think together we can get this ONE OF THE BEST CASSETTE MACHINE 
EVER BUILT TO WORK AGAIN!!! THAT WOULD BE A DREAM COME TRUE!!

WITH MANY THANKS! 
ALI
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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Sun Mar 28 20:22:44 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:22:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
References: <20040327012126.81366.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c414f1$aac35b60$9e8ee2c3@fredporter>

I've used a lot of Maxell MX tapes as well as XLII and I-S and never had any
problems.  That was a good few years ago when they were housed in the heavy
duty black shells.

Sinclair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes


> I am not Mark, but, I wanted to say that I personally never used the
> Maxell XLII-S, but, have used their MX tapes (metal bias), but, only
> two.  I had serious drop outs on both of them!  When "I" say serious,
> I mean that a brand new tape should not have sections where the audio
> level changes by more than a couple dB for more than 1/10 second.
> When I first listened to recordings I made on these two Maxell MX
> tapes I had this happen several times.  After the first one I was
> annoyed, but, let it pass.  By the third and fourth drop out on the
> first tape I was pissed!  What the &%$% was that!  I took the tape
> out rewound it with my finger and found the reason for the drop out.
> There's this chunk that was rock hard embedded in the tape.  I know
> it was rock hard because I took an exacto knife and scratched it.  It
> felt like a rock.  I'm think'n, "what's this doing to my tape heads?"
>  There were several of these things on both tapes.  Those were the
> last Maxell tapes I ever bought!
>
> Scott J.
> --- Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net> wrote:
> > Kannan,
> >
> > In your reply to Mark, you said, "Only XLII-S had serious dropout
> > problems."
> > I have two questions:
> >
> > 1.  What do you mean when you say "serious?"
> > 2.  Did the "serious dropout problems" apply to all XLII-S
> > cassettes or was
> > it only certain batches?
> >
> > Maxell XLII-S cassette tapes used to be considered better than XLII
> > tapes.
> > I have had no trouble so far with my XLII-S tapes, but I wonder
> > what kinds
> > of problems I should be prepared for.
> >
> > Thanks for any insight,
> > Jon
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> >
> >
> > > Mark
> > > True metal tapes have vanished and I find people are actually
> > fighting it
> > out on ebay to catch few available metal tapes! However I have not
> > known any
> > problem with TDK SA or TDK SA-X tapes. I found TDK SA-X tapes to be
> > very
> > good and only Maxell XL II S had serious dropout problems.
> > > kannan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
> > > Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:07 am
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
> > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting
> > harder
> > > > and
> > > > harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning
> > > > nobody
> > > > is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1
> > TDK
> > > > MA
> > > > left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a
> > > > surprising
> > > > tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've
> > > > cleaned
> > > > up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After
> > > > hearing
> > > > some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I
> > > > switched
> > > > over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell
> > MS
> > > > (studio
> > > > version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell
> > > > any
> > > > difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means
> > there
> > > > isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it
> > > > doesn't
> > > > seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA
> > and
> > > > was a
> > > > surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> > > > Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay
> > ?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Sun Mar 28 20:28:15 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:28:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members
References: <000a01c41401$b2266500$8edd4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006301c414f2$703ca400$9e8ee2c3@fredporter>

Possibly warn e-bay and give them the details?

Sinclair
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gimli 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 2:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members


  Very sorry to hear this bad news, Kevin.  That's a lot of quality gear, which sounds more like a professional job than some opportunist junky looking to make a few Quid to score some more drugs.  May be an idea to consider if they were particularly looking out for quality audio gear or if they took a variety of other high value items.  If the former it's likely that they were taken by someone who knows you had the equipment.  In that case,be thinking about visitors, esp. tradesmen, who will have been inside your house and may have noted what you have, not least some of the people who will have known you had bought the NuVista gear ... 

  Also recommend you regularly search eBay for them ... 

  Best of luck - hope you get it all back.

  Graham

   
   -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin James
  Sent: 27 March 2004 11:04
  To: Naktalk at naks.com
  Cc: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members


    During the night of 24/25 March 2004 two Nak decks were stolen from my home in North Bedfordshire, UK. The details are:
    1. BX125E, serial no. 76815
    2. CR 5E (unfortunately I had bought this deck only a few weeks before and had not made a note of the serial number)
    Both decks in mint condition and unboxed.

    They were part of a large haul including Michel Gyrodec (silver & black finish) / SMEIV (silver finish) / AT-OC9 /Gyropower, Musical Fidelity Nu Vista M3 amp and Nu Vista 3D cd, Meridian 601 dac, 602 cd transport and 204 tuner, Proac Response 3.5 (Light Oak veneer) and Proac Studio 200 speakers (Yew veneer), mf and meridian remotes, various Nordost and Chord cables & interconnects etc.

    Please be cautious if offered any second hand equipment which includes a combination of the above items (I have receipts for all the stolen items and the burglar doesn't!)

    Please also advise me by e-mail if you become aware of any information which might help the police recover these items. 

    Best regards,
    Kevin James


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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Mar 28 21:05:15 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:05:15 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1 TRANSPORT
	BUTTONS DONT WORK!!
References: <2b.537b5aa7.2d984b70@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001701c414fa$94fcee00$4b299bca@aisha>


Hi Ali,

If I'm not mistaken http://www.revox.net has a forum for ReVoxers just like
us here.  I'm not familiar with 710 to offer any help.  I agree that the all
metal ReVox transport looks quality and may outlast Nak transport - even my
ancient Akai never gave any stuck roller arm or other regular Nak problems !
However, I believe Naks still have a slight edge when it comes to sound
quality ... and that without considering the magical sound of ZXLs yet.
Some say ReVox sounds 'warmer' but to me Nak is more accurate.

BTW 710 mkII retailed for $1,999, more expensive than Dragon at the same
time.  Talking about plastics, I found not 1, but 2 Dragons which NAAC
didn't work simply because of a broken plastic pin (or notch) inside auto az
motor !!

Good luck with your repair,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1 TRANSPORT
BUTTONS DONT WORK!!


Hi Guys!      First I want to thank, Kent, Graham and another nice na kker
who helped me get the serivce manual for this revox b-710 Mk1 cassette deck.
Unfortunately, the revox manual has NO! trouble shooting guide and is very
vague! they have no mention on how to fix the machine if the fast forward,
rewind , play and record button dont work!  I have replaced the micro
processor MK-3870/20  only to see the spool motors running haywire! at full
speed! even when the deck the  set in OFF position, this replacement micro
processor has the same number as the orginal one!  Also the mic pre-amp in
not working!

Iam sorry to be asking about help for this revox machine as I could not find
revox fans talk forum  like we have for nakamichi  here. I know lots of you
nice nakkers must have one of this machine as its equal of nakamichis as I
have Nakamichi Dragon but the quality of this revox is way ahead of the
Nakamichis! sorry to say that but to my eye revox looks much much better
built with no plastic and no belts!! whereas the dragon has plastic
everywhere even in the tape transport gears inside! one would have expected
a little better quality parts considering it sold for so much!!!  anyway!  I
dont want to start a argument its my own opinion and everyone has a right to
disagree with me!!  and dont get me wrong even with all the plastic the
Dragon still sound fantastic and works well!  but oh that revox!! it just
shouts  QUALITY!! WITH 4 MOTORS!! WISH SOMEONE CAN ADVICE ME AS TO WHAT IS
WRONG WITH THIS BEAUTY!!  I AM VERY CAREFUL TO SEND IT OUT FOR REPAIRS AS I
HAVE HEARD LOTS OF SCARY STORIES,  IF YOU NICE SOULS KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH
THIS BEAUTY AS TOT WHY?!! ITS NOT REWINDING, FAST FOWARDING, PLAYING AND
RECORDING I.E NONE OF THE TAPE TRANSPORT BUTTONS ARE WORKING!! IT POWERS UP!
THE HEAD LIFTING CIRCUIT IS WORKING  WHICH ENGAGES THE HEADS AND THE CAPSTAN
MOTORS ARE WORKING BUT WHEN YOU PUT THE LEVER IN OFF POSITION THEY CONTINUE
TO ROTATE AND DONT STOP! THE COUNTER SEEMS TO BE WORKING TOO! AND
COSMETICALLY ITS IN MINT CONDITION !!


Sorry! to bother you nice nakkers with my problems with this Revox but any
kind HELP! to bring this beauty to work again will be greatly appreciated, I
am handy with tools and have knowledge of electronics if someone can guide
me step by step I think together we can get this ONE OF THE BEST CASSETTE
MACHINE EVER BUILT TO WORK AGAIN!!! THAT WOULD BE A DREAM COME TRUE!!

WITH MANY THANKS!
ALI





From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Mar 28 21:26:33 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:26:33 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX (Playback Wow & Flutter???)
References: <4066AA02.14508.670A7A@localhost>
Message-ID: <001801c414fa$95d72160$4b299bca@aisha>


Not sure if this will help, but I used to check for (pb) orange disease by
hitting 'play' with no tapes inside.  If meter shows activity there's a good
chance some oranges, or lytics, needs to be replaced, usually in dolby area.
Likewise I check rec caps problem by recording blank tape with no input
signal.

Apart from the dreaded caps, I found several 4066 problems on my 680z, and
stupidly fried some meter circuit logic ICs in the progress (wrong meter
cable plugged into PS =), but even then they're all easily obtainable.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: timbarrett at cox.net
To: KJ Bleus ; naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX (Playback Wow & Flutter???)



>From what I can glean from the schematic it seems unlikely that the problem
is in the level
meter circuit itself.  It appears that the audio feed for the level meters
comes from the line
amp itself, so you the level meters should be displaying the same thing that
you hear in
your headphones.  If this is so, then perhaps the meters are displaying
something that your
headphones can't reproduce or that you can't hear.  An oscilloscope would be
useful for
seeing this.

If I were going to play long odds, I would bet on your left channel dolby
I.C. being the
culprit.

tim


>
> Here's the deal, I've got a really nice classic Nak 680ZX deck, record
> and playback results are excellent. Only thing that annoys me isthat
> the deck has the leftflourescent level meter fluctuating ever so
> slightly where no signal is recorded as the cassettes are in playback.




From albert.claes at cnh.com  Fri Mar 26 12:40:23 2004
From: albert.claes at cnh.com (CLAES Albert)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:40:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1.5
Message-ID: <C73A11BF1E75D511869E0002A560AE920734DB4F@EU1TORNTD04>

Dear All,

I have a trouble with a K7 Nakamichi 1.5.
While playing  a tape, the K7 stops.
It can play during 3 or 45 mintes without stop but most of time I have 3 or 4 stops on 45 minutes. 

What to do ?
Test with a lot of trade mark K7, the same results.

Thanks to advice or where to repair this material.




CLAES Albert
Phone ..32  4 240 92 14 
Fax      ..32  4 240 92 36



From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar 28 21:50:12 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:50:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dolby HX Pro (Kent's message)
Message-ID: <40672C74.5050107@xs4all.nl>

Hi Everyone,
This message is my Kent, it bounced because of the attachments, so i 
placed those on the server for you to download:

http://www.naks.com/new/Dolby_HX_Pro_High_Fidelity_Trade_News_Oct_1982_p30.pdf
http://www.naks.com/new/Dolby_HX_Pro_High_Fidelity_Trade_News_Oct_1982_p32.pdf
http://www.naks.com/new/Dolby_HX_Pro_R-E_Mar_1989_p84.pdf
http://www.naks.com/new/Dolby_HX_Pro_R-E_Mar_1989_p85.pdf

The original message is also included below.

Enjoy,
Wouter

> Calling all Naktalkers,
>  
> I finally got the two articles, concerning Dolby HX Pro, scanned, with 
> a lot of help.  I'm not saying I'm the least knowledgeable person 
> about computers and peripherals, but when that person dies...........
>  
> There should be four pages attached to this message; two pages for 
> each article.  They are in PDF.  Let's see if I can do it correctly 
> the first time.
>  
> Enjoy the Music!
>  
> Kent




From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar 28 22:17:38 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:17:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Set for Wouter
In-Reply-To: <00fc01c3dfcf$9c2d88c0$53773242@CopyTech>
References: <13734.212.78.179.234.1074079746.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<00fc01c3dfcf$9c2d88c0$53773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <406732E2.6010806@xs4all.nl>

Hi Carlos and all other Marathon Tape Maniacs!

I received the 2-cd pack last week and today i finally found the time to 
put them into my cd player (FYI: Sony XA-50ES with lcaudio clock-mod) 
and i must say they sound REALLY GREAT!
I was really amazed by the quality of the recordings and also the nice 
'packaging' and the certificate that came with it!
Also thanks to Karl-Heinz for the nice looking inlay's, they made the 
set complete, thanks!

So thank you all for this nice gift, it will be in my cd player the next 
days, and will make me think about the MkII project and my contribution 
to it....

Wouter
 
El Magnifico wrote:

>Wouter:
>
>On behalf of the Marathon Tape Maniacs we want to sent you a set as a gift
>for your kind support. Please let me know your address off list. I'll cover
>the expenses.
>
>Carlos and the rest of the gang !
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Mar 29 02:27:46 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:27:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1
	TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT WORK!!
References: <2b.537b5aa7.2d984b70@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002601c41524$a976fd10$45773242@CopyTech>

This is a friendly advice, Ali. You have to contact a Revox technician for that. Here in the US, Nashville, TN, is a very good technician. A former Revox service engineer and my experience with him has been very pleasant. Fast, accurate and affordable. The repair cost for a unit like that is between $200-$350.00.

You can do it yourself, if you want, but at the end is gonna be very time consuming, frustrating and you gonna spend money in parts that perhaps you don't need. 

Carlos



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BOEING747600 at aol.com 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:38 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1 TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT WORK!!


  Hi Guys!      First I want to thank, Kent, Graham and another nice na kker who helped me get the serivce manual for this revox b-710 Mk1 cassette deck.  Unfortunately, the revox manual has NO! trouble shooting guide and is very vague! they have no mention on how to fix the machine if the fast forward, rewind , play and record button dont work!  I have replaced the micro processor MK-3870/20  only to see the spool motors running haywire! at full speed! even when the deck the  set in OFF position, this replacement micro processor has the same number as the orginal one!  Also the mic pre-amp in not working!

  Iam sorry to be asking about help for this revox machine as I could not find revox fans talk forum  like we have for nakamichi  here. I know lots of you nice nakkers must have one of this machine as its equal of nakamichis as I have Nakamichi Dragon but the quality of this revox is way ahead of the Nakamichis! sorry to say that but to my eye revox looks much much better built with no plastic and no belts!! whereas the dragon has plastic everywhere even in the tape transport gears inside! one would have expected a little better quality parts considering it sold for so much!!!  anyway!  I dont want to start a argument its my own opinion and everyone has a right to disagree with me!!  and dont get me wrong even with all the plastic the Dragon still sound fantastic and works well!  but oh that revox!! it just shouts  QUALITY!! WITH 4 MOTORS!! WISH SOMEONE CAN ADVICE ME AS TO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS BEAUTY!!  I AM VERY CAREFUL TO SEND IT OUT FOR REPAIRS AS I HAVE HEARD LOTS OF SCARY STORIES,  IF YOU NICE SOULS KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS BEAUTY AS TOT WHY?!! ITS NOT REWINDING, FAST FOWARDING, PLAYING AND RECORDING I.E NONE OF THE TAPE TRANSPORT BUTTONS ARE WORKING!! IT POWERS UP! THE HEAD LIFTING CIRCUIT IS WORKING  WHICH ENGAGES THE HEADS AND THE CAPSTAN MOTORS ARE WORKING BUT WHEN YOU PUT THE LEVER IN OFF POSITION THEY CONTINUE TO ROTATE AND DONT STOP! THE COUNTER SEEMS TO BE WORKING TOO! AND COSMETICALLY ITS IN MINT CONDITION !!


  Sorry! to bother you nice nakkers with my problems with this Revox but any kind HELP! to bring this beauty to work again will be greatly appreciated, I am handy with tools and have knowledge of electronics if someone can guide me step by step I think together we can get this ONE OF THE BEST CASSETTE MACHINE EVER BUILT TO WORK AGAIN!!! THAT WOULD BE A DREAM COME TRUE!!

  WITH MANY THANKS! 
  ALI


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Mar 28 22:40:37 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:40:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1
	TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT WORK!!
In-Reply-To: <001701c414fa$94fcee00$4b299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <000e01c41504$ece1f3e0$4eaa4e51@oemcomputer>

I had a look at that forum, Salim ... Ah! Ich nicht sprechan si Deutch! 

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Salim Marzuki
> Sent: 28 March 2004 20:05
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1
> TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT WORK!!
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ali,
> 
> If I'm not mistaken http://www.revox.net has a forum for ReVoxers 
> just like
> us here.  I'm not familiar with 710 to offer any help.  I agree 
> that the all
> metal ReVox transport looks quality and may outlast Nak transport 
> - even my
> ancient Akai never gave any stuck roller arm or other regular Nak 
> problems !
> However, I believe Naks still have a slight edge when it comes to sound
> quality ... and that without considering the magical sound of ZXLs yet.
> Some say ReVox sounds 'warmer' but to me Nak is more accurate.
> 
> BTW 710 mkII retailed for $1,999, more expensive than Dragon at the same
> time.  Talking about plastics, I found not 1, but 2 Dragons which NAAC
> didn't work simply because of a broken plastic pin (or notch) 
> inside auto az
> motor !!
> 
> Good luck with your repair,
> Salim SM
> 
>
> 
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Mar 29 03:17:46 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:17:46 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1TRANSPORTBUTTONS
	DONT WORK!!
References: <000e01c41504$ece1f3e0$4eaa4e51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001601c4152b$a51350a0$a1299bca@aisha>


I know ... in fact I got it from an ebay description (2hrs left, item
#3085751290,  nice B215):

"By the way, http://www.revox.net is a great resource for Revox, and
although the site is in German, the forums accept English and I've gotten
some fairly obscure questions answered there. It also lists the complete
line of equipment produced by Revox."

To be honest I haven't tried, but it's worth a shot posting there (but don't
use the online translation into Deutch from altavista etc, you gain easily
more enemies without knowing !  =)

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Nelson
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:40 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710
MK1TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT WORK!!


I had a look at that forum, Salim ... Ah! Ich nicht sprechan si Deutch!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Salim Marzuki




From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Mar 29 07:36:45 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:36:45 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX (Playback Wow & Flutter???)
References: <001701c414cf$842109c0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <001801c4154f$d2efb120$81c04d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

possibly dry joints on the display itself
p
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:18 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680ZX (Playback Wow & Flutter???)


  Here's the deal, I've got a really nice classic Nak 680ZX deck, record and playback results are excellent. Only thing that annoys me is that the deck has the left flourescent level meter fluctuating ever so slightly where no signal is recorded as the cassettes are in playback. This is evident when a cassette, is starting from the leader tape and into the actual magnetic tape, and is apparent until music recorded on the cassette begins. Standard speed setting, no extra buttons pushed, just basic playback with type II/IV bias cassettes.

  Symptoms are: Before the actual recording or playback commences, during the silent leading twenty seconds or so, I can observe this little wiggle variation in the left meter. Only during playback, not evident during record activities. I hear no difference, even with headphones. Next step for me is to do an analysis with my T-100 analyzer, wow, flutter, azimuth variations. I'm speculating that the level meter itself is deteriorating, or (shudder) perhaps the forshadowing of problems with the dreaded orange capacitor disease within the 680ZX.

  Any speculative opinions from you NakTalkers is appreciated as I further my quest.

  Regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA


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From stephen806 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 29 12:55:25 2004
From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:55:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1.5
In-Reply-To: <C73A11BF1E75D511869E0002A560AE920734DB4F@EU1TORNTD04>
Message-ID: <20040329105525.77676.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com>

The problem is most definitely being caused by
excessive carbon deposits in the reel drive motor. 
The motor(#CA80728A) should either be replaced, or
should be carefully disassembled & have it's brushes &
commutator(the contact "hub" the brushes "ride")
carefully scraped clean of the black carbon build-up. 
Then lightly lubricate with an electronic-grade
silicone spray oil & re-assemble.  Best done by
someone with d.c. motor rebuilding experience, of
course.

--- CLAES Albert <albert.claes at cnh.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I have a trouble with a K7 Nakamichi 1.5.
> While playing  a tape, the K7 stops.
> It can play during 3 or 45 mintes without stop but
> most of time I have 3 or 4 stops on 45 minutes. 
> 
> What to do ?
> Test with a lot of trade mark K7, the same results.
> 
> Thanks to advice or where to repair this material.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> CLAES Albert
> Phone ..32  4 240 92 14 
> Fax      ..32  4 240 92 36
> 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Mar 29 17:46:25 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:46:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!
Message-ID: <87b7ed787bce0e.87bce0e87b7ed7@vsnl.net>

Hi guys very interesting item 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3088204698&category=64598
Description goes like this "Here's a rare chance to get a BRAND NEW Nakamichi Coffee Mug! Sportls the classic raymond loewy designed Nakamichi Logo! The Nakamichi mug is precisely callibrated to contain just the right amount of coffee or beverage of your choice to enjoy while listening to a single side of a C-30, C-60 or C-90 cassette. (C120 cassettes are not recommended, because warmer beverages will be too cool by the time you reach the end of the side, and the tape is too thin!) The Nakamichi mug has continously adjustable azimuth, and is easily rotated to align with your table top and to line up with your bottom lip to minimize dribble. Playback equalization is standard, despite what you may have heard. The gap at the top is as wide as possible to allow as much input and output as the dynamics may require. Not compatible with dolby b,c, hx, hx pro nor dbx. NO RESERVE! High Bidder Wins! Buyer Pays Shipping. Credit cards accepted via Paypal.com "
kannan



From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Mar 29 19:55:13 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:55:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!
In-Reply-To: <87b7ed787bce0e.87bce0e87b7ed7@vsnl.net>
References: <87b7ed787bce0e.87bce0e87b7ed7@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <40686301.7070109@xs4all.nl>

Well... I must admit... I was given a Nak mug one time by one of our 
Naktalk members and my cup of coffee never tasted better!
It is the white version with red lettering which actually looks better i 
think!
So i would say, go for it!

Wouter

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:

>Hi guys very interesting item 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3088204698&category=64598
>Description goes like this "Here's a rare chance to get a BRAND NEW Nakamichi Coffee Mug! Sportls the classic raymond loewy designed Nakamichi Logo! The Nakamichi mug is precisely callibrated to contain just the right amount of coffee or beverage of your choice to enjoy while listening to a single side of a C-30, C-60 or C-90 cassette. (C120 cassettes are not recommended, because warmer beverages will be too cool by the time you reach the end of the side, and the tape is too thin!) The Nakamichi mug has continously adjustable azimuth, and is easily rotated to align with your table top and to line up with your bottom lip to minimize dribble. Playback equalization is standard, despite what you may have heard. The gap at the top is as wide as possible to allow as much input and output as the dynamics may require. Not compatible with dolby b,c, hx, hx pro nor dbx. NO RESERVE! High Bidder Wins! Buyer Pays Shipping. Credit cards accepted via Paypal.com "
>kannan
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Mar 29 19:55:15 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:55:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1.5
In-Reply-To: <20040329105525.77676.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101c415b6$fd698a40$e6e74c51@oemcomputer>

Warm welcome back, Stephen!  Presume you've been hibernating through the
Winter?  (Newbies note, Stephen is not only an ace Nakamichi engineer he is
also a bear!)   We've missed you!!!

Gra'

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Mar 29 19:56:45 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:56:45 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!
In-Reply-To: <87b7ed787bce0e.87bce0e87b7ed7@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000101c415b7$335c4520$e6e74c51@oemcomputer>

Nice find, Kannan!  I like it!

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 29 March 2004 16:46
> To: naktalk
> Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!
>
>
> Hi guys very interesting item
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3088204698&cate
gory=64598
Description goes like this "Here's a rare chance to get a BRAND NEW
Nakamichi Coffee Mug! Sportls the classic raymond loewy designed Nakamichi
Logo! The Nakamichi mug is precisely callibrated to contain just the right
amount of coffee or beverage of your choice to enjoy while listening to a
single side of a C-30, C-60 or C-90 cassette. (C120 cassettes are not
recommended, because warmer beverages will be too cool by the time you reach
the end of the side, and the tape is too thin!) The Nakamichi mug has
continously adjustable azimuth, and is easily rotated to align with your
table top and to line up with your bottom lip to minimize dribble. Playback
equalization is standard, despite what you may have heard. The gap at the
top is as wide as possible to allow as much input and output as the dynamics
may require. Not compatible with dolby b,c, hx, hx pro nor dbx. NO RESERVE!
High Bidder Wins! Buyer Pays Shipping. Credit cards accepted via Paypal.com
"
kannan

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From roleo at telus.net  Mon Mar 29 20:11:04 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:11:04 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!
References: <87b7ed787bce0e.87bce0e87b7ed7@vsnl.net>
	<40686301.7070109@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <003f01c415b9$337fe7d0$6401a8c0@desktop>

I agree -- I have always preferred analog coffee --- it's much warmer!

I find with digital coffee the bits and numbers (especially the 1's) tend to get stuck in my teeth!
I have to floss and demagnetize more often. It drives me nuts!

Of course my gold fillings allow for better transfer of taste no matter what I am drinking.

-- Roland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!


Well... I must admit... I was given a Nak mug one time by one of our Naktalk members and my cup of
coffee never tasted better!
It is the white version with red lettering which actually looks better i  think!

So i would say, go for it!

 Wouter



From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Mon Mar 29 20:13:18 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:13:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members
Message-ID: <s0682105.023@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Kevin,
 
I'm hoping there are more "silent observers" in the UK, and the EU,
that can pick up on this and help catch these "professionals".  Sounds
like they had a plan and were watching for your travels.  Any help we
can supply in pursuit of these culprits, will be gladly given. 
Otherwise, I will not be able to end my communiques properly, (Enjoy the
Music!).  Let's make the perpetrators "face the music!"
 
Kent Merideth (Somewhere in central Indiana where the WigWam still
stands!)

>>> kevin at jameskev.plus.com 3/27/04 4:31:20 PM >>>

Hi Graham,
 
Thanks for the comment. I was thinking along the same lines as you. The
police seem to prefer the opportunist junky/traveller theory but it
doesn't stack up with me. None of my furniture was damaged or stolen and
a lot of the audio gear would have been too heavy for one guy to carry.
Also there was no malicious damage inside the house (graffiti or smashed
things) except for the patio door which they forced to get in.
 
I should correct one piece of information from the first message. The
finish of the Michel Gyrodec should be bronze and black not silver and
black. The SME IV arm was silver.
I have dug out serial numbers for some of the stolen items and these
are:
 
MF Nu Vista M3 amp: s/n M300104
MF Nu Vista 3D cd: s/n 3D00111
Proac Studio 200 speakers: s/n P14451
Hitachi FT-MD 5500 tuner: s/n 70007991
Marantz CD63 K1 signature cd: s/n SVO 29532002756
 
Members - don't get stung with any of these items.
 
rgds,
Kevin James
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gimli 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members


Very sorry to hear this bad news, Kevin.  That's a lot of quality gear,
which sounds more like a professional job than some opportunist junky
looking to make a few Quid to score some more drugs.  May be an idea to
consider if they were particularly looking out for quality audio gear or
if they took a variety of other high value items.  If the former it's
likely that they were taken by someone who knows you had the equipment. 
In that case,be thinking about visitors, esp. tradesmen, who will have
been inside your house and may have noted what you have, not least some
of the people who will have known you had bought the NuVista gear ... 
 
Also recommend you regularly search eBay for them ... 
 
Best of luck - hope you get it all back.
 
Graham

 
 -----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Kevin James
Sent: 27 March 2004 11:04
To: Naktalk at naks.com 
Cc: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [naktalk] Stolen Naks alert: for UK members


During the night of 24/25 March 2004 two Nak decks were stolen from my
home in North Bedfordshire, UK. The details are:
1. BX125E, serial no. 76815
2. CR 5E (unfortunately I had bought this deck only a few weeks before
and had not made a note of the serial number)
Both decks in mint condition and unboxed.
 
They were part of a large haul including Michel Gyrodec (silver & black
finish) / SMEIV (silver finish) / AT-OC9 /Gyropower, Musical Fidelity Nu
Vista M3 amp and Nu Vista 3D cd, Meridian 601 dac, 602 cd transport and
204 tuner, Proac Response 3.5 (Light Oak veneer) and Proac Studio 200
speakers (Yew veneer), mf and meridian remotes, various Nordost and
Chord cables & interconnects etc.
 
Please be cautious if offered any second hand equipment which includes
a combination of the above items (I have receipts for all the stolen
items and the burglar doesn't!)
 
Please also advise me by e-mail if you become aware of any information
which might help the police recover these items. 
 
Best regards,
Kevin James


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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Mon Mar 29 20:21:06 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:21:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Marathon Tape Mark II ( S-P-A-M 4.9/4.5 )
Message-ID: <s06822d9.059@mail.anderson.edu>

Carlos,
 
Sounds good to me.  Think I have some TDK SM10 tapes I could use. 
Still have to come up with something apropos I've recorded lately.  Put
me on the list.  Enjoy the Music!
 
Kent

>>> copytec at coqui.net 3/28/04 3:41:03 AM >>>

Gents:

I do have another idea:

Since the guys of the west coast has just finished their Nakathon
project,
why we don't make this program as one of this year's Marathon's Tape
Volumes
? That way, we don't have to make 2 different projects. Incorporating
this
Volume from the west coast as a bonus would be exciting !

What do you all think about it ? At the mean time, the seven guys
involved
in this project don't need to send any further contribution to the
Marathon
MK II Saga.

Carlos

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Mar 30 00:29:50 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:29:50 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Marathon Tape Mark II ( S-P-A-M 4.9/4.5 )
References: <s06822d9.059@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <005701c415dd$5a40d310$08773242@CopyTech>

Good !
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kent Merideth 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Marathon Tape Mark II ( S-P-A-M 4.9/4.5 )


  Carlos,

  Sounds good to me.  Think I have some TDK SM10 tapes I could use.  Still have to come up with something apropos I've recorded lately.  Put me on the list.  Enjoy the Music!

  Kent

  >>> copytec at coqui.net 3/28/04 3:41:03 AM >>>

  Gents:

  I do have another idea:

  Since the guys of the west coast has just finished their Nakathon project,
  why we don't make this program as one of this year's Marathon's Tape Volumes
  ? That way, we don't have to make 2 different projects. Incorporating this
  Volume from the west coast as a bonus would be exciting !

  What do you all think about it ? At the mean time, the seven guys involved
  in this project don't need to send any further contribution to the Marathon
  MK II Saga.

  Carlos

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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Mon Mar 29 21:25:23 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:25:23 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] vintage audio cables
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Mon Mar 29 21:08:48 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:08:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!
Message-ID: <200403291408_MC3-1-79C0-DBA6@compuserve.com>

Hi Kannan,
There is also a "nakamichi beach-towel" I saw yesterday on ebay. I am
actually planning to bid for that. Hey, the summer is almost here!
_Fuad

Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
>
Hi guys very interesting item 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3088204698&category=6459
8
Description goes like this "Here's a rare chance to get a BRAND NEW
Nakamichi Coffee Mug! Sportls the classic raymond loewy designed Nakamichi
Logo! The Nakamichi mug is precisely callibrated to contain just the right
amount of coffee or beverage of your choice to enjoy while listening to a
single side of a C-30, C-60 or C-90 cassette. (C120 cassettes are not
recommended, because warmer beverages will be too cool by the time you
reach the end of the side, and the tape is too thin!) The Nakamichi mug has
continously adjustable azimuth, and is easily rotated to align with your
table top and to line up with your bottom lip to minimize dribble. Playback
equalization is standard, despite what you may have heard. The gap at the
top is as wide as possible to allow as much input and output as the
dynamics may require. Not compatible with dolby b,c, hx, hx pro nor dbx. NO
RESERVE! High Bidder Wins! Buyer Pays Shipping. Credit cards accepted via
Paypal.com "
kannan
<




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Mar 29 22:27:15 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:27:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!
In-Reply-To: <200403291408_MC3-1-79C0-DBA6@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <000001c415cc$39cf11c0$90a34e51@oemcomputer>

Fuad

If you get it we want pictures posted of you wrapped in it!

Gra'

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> Behalf Of compudude
> Sent: 29 March 2004 20:09
> To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!
> 
> 
> Hi Kannan,
> There is also a "nakamichi beach-towel" I saw yesterday on ebay. I am
> actually planning to bid for that. Hey, the summer is almost here!
> _Fuad
> 
> 

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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 30 07:27:47 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:27:47 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1
	TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT WORK!!
Message-ID: <BAY99-F12EUrMSFica10001aa19@hotmail.com>

I haven't had the chance to download or view the Revox manual yet but it 
sounds to me that the problem is with the cable(s) between the control 
buttons and the circuit board(s) or one or more of the pushbutton switches 
behind the control buttons. The first thing I'd check is to be sure the 
wiring isn't reversed or offset at the connectors at either end. Then I'd 
check the wiring for the motor servo feeback and for the solenoids which 
engage the tape transport mechanism. The runaway motors sounds like either 
the transport isn't engaging and the motors are freewheeling, or that the 
motor servo circuit is being bypassed and the motors aren't being regulated. 
However, the fast spinning motors could also be simply (and most likely) be 
the deck being stuck in either fast-forward or reverse mode because of a 
shorted rewind or fast-forward switch. If the wiring is okay I'd check and 
clean the rewind or fast-forward switch depending on which direction the 
spool motors are turning. Also, try gently slowing the spinning spindle 
(using your fingertip) to see if simulating reaching the end of tape will 
cause the deck to click into stop mode. If it does, or tries to, you'll know 
the motors are spinning because something is causing it to stick in 
fast-forward or rewind mode. If so, it's most likely a bad switch behind the 
button used to select that mode.

Most of my work using Revox decks has been with the open reel models (A-77, 
B-77 etc.) so I can't be more specific. Once I have a chance to look at the 
manual I'll let you know if I find any more clues.

Good luck,

Bob


>From: BOEING747600 at aol.com
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1 
>TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT WORK!!
>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:38:24 EST
>
>Hi Guys!      First I want to thank, Kent, Graham and another nice na kker
>who helped me get the serivce manual for this revox b-710 Mk1 cassette 
>deck.
>Unfortunately, the revox manual has NO! trouble shooting guide and is very
>vague! they have no mention on how to fix the machine if the fast forward, 
>rewind ,
>play and record button dont work!  I have replaced the micro processor
>MK-3870/20  only to see the spool motors running haywire! at full speed! 
>even when
>the deck the  set in OFF position, this replacement micro processor has the
>same number as the orginal one!  Also the mic pre-amp in not working!
>

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From chaoboy at theriver.com  Tue Mar 30 12:54:05 2004
From: chaoboy at theriver.com (Tyson F Nuss, esq.)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:54:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji Cassette Tapes
In-Reply-To: <200403270024.i2R0OBjv005345@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200403270024.i2R0OBjv005345@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <a06020403bc8ef8d63b31@[206.97.60.196]>

FWIW, I clearly recall Fuji FR Metal tapes performing quite well in 
some audio magazine (Stereo Review, IIRC?) group-comparison test of 
cassette brands over a decade ago.  That comparo review had my eyes 
peeled for Fuji FR Metals (among others I can't recall) around town, 
and I finally scored a dozen or so at ~half price when a local 
upscale department store was closing out its AV department.  I was 
not in any way disappointed in those tapes' performance at all, 
myself, and I found the matte-black "corduroy textured" ribbed shell 
design rather aesthetically classy as well (also quite heavy, rigid 
and sturdy! %^).  I see these are still apparently available here and 
there; for instance:

<http://www.adelcom.net/FUJICassetteTape.htm>
<http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/product-1277.htm>

Oh, and also FWIW:
<http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user/wes/W/Info/tapes>


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>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:07:36 -0500
>From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
>
>I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like to
>hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder and
>harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning nobody
>is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK MA
>left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a surprising
>tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them...


>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:31:35 -0500
>From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
>
>Incidentally, in the 1993 (?) ratings of various tapes; Consumer Reports
>had the TDK SA-X as the top high bias tape with an overall score of 87.
>#2 in the list might surprise some : its the Fuji DR-II; a tape still
>available. In the Metal category there were some surprises as well - in
>order they were:
>Sony Metal ES 94
>Sony Metal Master 93
>TDK MA-XG 93
>Fuji Metal FR 92 (this one surprised me)
>Maxell MX-S 89
>- the TDK MA-X was #7 with a score of 88
>- #8 was the (Realistic) RS Supertape M-IV 86 (another surprise)
>- the venerable TDK MA was #11 with a score of 86
>
>- one other interesting point: Fuji scored #1 in normal bias, #2 in high
>bias, and #4 in metal bias and were rated above average in dropouts.


From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Tue Mar 30 14:17:05 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:17:05 EST
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1
	TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT ...
Message-ID: <67.254a6e54.2d9abf41@aol.com>

Dear Bob,   Thanks for your kind reply it was much appreciated!  This deck 
has really stumped me!  No amount of replacing the  ICs in the logic pcb seems 
to help!  There are like 55 Integrated circuits  in the BEAUTIFUL! BEAST!  LOL! 
  which make it sound more like a computer than a tapedeck!!  Anyway!  I 
decided to go about in a logically way to locate the problem!  First I checked the 
power supply and check for voltages coming from the power transformer and 
output voltages going to the deck and guess what all voltages are there! only the 
+ 22 volts shows as +25 volts and the -22 volts and -26 volts going to the 
micro processor pcb board. the 5 volts , the 10 volts line voltages are all 
there again the 5 volts is exactly 4.96 volts and the 10 volts line read 10.58 
volts without any load so I am assuming these volts will drop once the load is 
applied i.e. solenoids engaged . Except for one small electrolytic capacitor in 
the power supply I replaced all the electrolytic capacitors in the power 
supply even replaced the + and - adjustable voltage regulators  the old capacitors 
and the voltage regulators were all fine but I heard stephen sank the famed 
Nakamichi Engineer mentioned the other day to replace the german electrolytic 
capacitors all these were replaced with NTE american capacitors as were the 
regulators but with no! solution to the problem at hand!

I even replaced like 10 ICs !!! in the micro processor logic board again with 
no luck!!  The new micro processor when plugged in the easy plug in/plug out 
socket makes the tape deck solenoid enaged with spool motors running at full 
speed!!! with NO! cassette in the machine! and with the power to the machine 
turned off!! As mentioned above replacing the IC has no effect! the only 
development  was that the capstan motor dont turn off even with the power on/off 
switch in off position!  The dual direct drive capstan motor have seperate 
electronics to run them and seems to me their main running is not controlled by the 
micro processor. I will check on the tape transport button you maybe right! 
this tape deck has come from a smokers home as you can smell the tobacco smell! 
maybe the smoke has made it way to the back of the switch and has coated the 
contacts!! Thats  very good thinking on your part!   I  REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR 
TAKING TIME TO WRITE ME! I WANT TO FIX THIS TAPEDECK MYSELF AND LEARN AT THE 
SAME TIME!!  TOGETHER! WE WILL GET THIS  BEAUTIFUL TAPE DECK FIXED!!....... THAT 
WOULD BE A DREAM COME TRUE!!  I REALLY LOVE THIS BEAUTY!!  Even more than my 
Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck. Thanks Bob! Please get back with me with more 
ideas as to why this beauty is behaving the way it is!!!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 30 15:03:20 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:03:20 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <BAY9-F43aTijlqzUrIz000536ae@hotmail.com>

Wow, that Stanley site looks real good - they've got also Maxell MX and MX-S 
and even TDK MA-XG !

George

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From: "Tyson F Nuss, esq." <chaoboy at theriver.com>
Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji Cassette Tapes
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:54:05 -0700

FWIW, I clearly recall Fuji FR Metal tapes performing quite well in some 
audio magazine (Stereo Review, IIRC?) group-comparison test of cassette 
brands over a decade ago.  That comparo review had my eyes peeled for Fuji 
FR Metals (among others I can't recall) around town, and I finally scored a 
dozen or so at ~half price when a local upscale department store was closing 
out its AV department.  I was not in any way disappointed in those tapes' 
performance at all, myself, and I found the matte-black "corduroy textured" 
ribbed shell design rather aesthetically classy as well (also quite heavy, 
rigid and sturdy! %^).  I see these are still apparently available here and 
there; for instance:

<http://www.adelcom.net/FUJICassetteTape.htm>
<http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/product-1277.htm>

Oh, and also FWIW:
<http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user/wes/W/Info/tapes>


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Mar 30 15:12:42 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:12:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1
	TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT WORK!!
In-Reply-To: <BAY99-F12EUrMSFica10001aa19@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY99-F12EUrMSFica10001aa19@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1080652362.4069724a3252b@mail.ce.net>

Does the B 710 have a dummy remote plug like the A77?

Quoting bwana747 _ <bwana747 at hotmail.com>:

> I haven't had the chance to download or view the Revox manual yet but it 
> sounds to me that the problem is with the cable(s) between the control 
> buttons and the circuit board(s) or one or more of the pushbutton switches 
> behind the control buttons. The first thing I'd check is to be sure the 
> wiring isn't reversed or offset at the connectors at either end. Then I'd 
> check the wiring for the motor servo feeback and for the solenoids which 
> engage the tape transport mechanism. The runaway motors sounds like either 
> the transport isn't engaging and the motors are freewheeling, or that the 
> motor servo circuit is being bypassed and the motors aren't being regulated.
> 
> However, the fast spinning motors could also be simply (and most likely) be
> 
> the deck being stuck in either fast-forward or reverse mode because of a 
> shorted rewind or fast-forward switch. If the wiring is okay I'd check and 
> clean the rewind or fast-forward switch depending on which direction the 
> spool motors are turning. Also, try gently slowing the spinning spindle 
> (using your fingertip) to see if simulating reaching the end of tape will 
> cause the deck to click into stop mode. If it does, or tries to, you'll know
> 
> the motors are spinning because something is causing it to stick in 
> fast-forward or rewind mode. If so, it's most likely a bad switch behind the
> 
> button used to select that mode.
> 
> Most of my work using Revox decks has been with the open reel models (A-77,
> 
> B-77 etc.) so I can't be more specific. Once I have a chance to look at the
> 
> manual I'll let you know if I find any more clues.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] PLEASE HELP! WITH BROKEN REVOX B 710 MK1 
> >TRANSPORTBUTTONS DONT WORK!!
> >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:38:24 EST
> >
> >Hi Guys!      First I want to thank, Kent, Graham and another nice na kker
> >who helped me get the serivce manual for this revox b-710 Mk1 cassette 
> >deck.
> >Unfortunately, the revox manual has NO! trouble shooting guide and is very
> >vague! they have no mention on how to fix the machine if the fast forward,
> 
> >rewind ,
> >play and record button dont work!  I have replaced the micro processor
> >MK-3870/20  only to see the spool motors running haywire! at full speed! 
> >even when
> >the deck the  set in OFF position, this replacement micro processor has
> the
> >same number as the orginal one!  Also the mic pre-amp in not working!
> >
> 
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Tue Mar 30 19:48:54 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:48:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on
  ebay!!!!
Message-ID: <200403301249_MC3-1-7A21-C004@compuserve.com>

Graham, not a problem!
Maybe even without the towel!!
_Fuad

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Fuad

If you get it we want pictures posted of you wrapped in it!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of compudude
> Sent: 29 March 2004 20:09
> To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug ! found on ebay!!!!
> 
> 
> Hi Kannan,
> There is also a "nakamichi beach-towel" I saw yesterday on ebay. I am
> actually planning to bid for that. Hey, the summer is almost here!
> _Fuad
> 
> <




From BADANTH at aol.com  Wed Mar 31 01:51:24 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:51:24 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Storage
Message-ID: <11f.2ca0b3db.2d9b61fc@aol.com>

I'm looking for some type of storage for my cassette collection and wondered 
what any of you might recommend. I'm somewhat limited in space but need 
something to hold anywhere from 500 to 1000 tapes. Anybody have any suggestions or 
recommendations?

Thanks,
Anthony

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From jmcalli at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 02:21:10 2004
From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:21:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service
Message-ID: <20040331002110.84505.qmail@web41313.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know if the Nakamichi factory in Japan
handles maintenance of their older cassette decks,
etc.?  I live in Japan but don't know how to contact
them.  I have a Dragon cassette deck and a Dragon
turntable which that I purchased in 1984 and I'd like
to have some routine cleaning and service.

When I originally bought them I had some problems with
the Dragon deck.  Nakamichi sent a factory service
representative to my house! (I lived near Tokyo). 
Turned out that the Dragon was perfect but my
television set was producing a strong electromagnetic
field which interfered with the auto azimuth control
on the Dragon.

Anyway, I hope their fantastic customer service isn't
completely dead.  Anyone know what type of services
they provide in Japan?

James 


From jberger at well.com  Wed Mar 31 04:07:36 2004
From: jberger at well.com (John Berger)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:07:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 530 Receiver on eBay
In-Reply-To: <200403271402.i2RE1uju007491@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200403271402.i2RE1uju007491@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0403301803410.17786@well.com>

I ran across this one today, and it was one that I had never seen (and I
was working in a Nak dealer at the time!)  Anyone have any more
information about it?  I'm assuming that the amplifier section is a
carrover from the 410 series, but that's just a wild guess.

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3088216251&category=3279>

Sure would look good paired with a 582...


From baladur at gmx.net  Wed Mar 31 04:20:36 2004
From: baladur at gmx.net (j.gruber)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 04:20:36 +0200
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 530 Receiver on eBay
References: <200403271402.i2RE1uju007491@zebra.naks.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0403301803410.17786@well.com>
Message-ID: <000401c416c6$c17b1060$9e4e8450@jpn5r0wpmx2bqe>

look here:



http://listeninn.com/Website/2nd%20Hand%20page/IntAmp/Secondhand(rightframe)
(Used%20Hifi)(IntAmp)(Nakamichi%20530).htm

jens







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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:07 AM
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 530 Receiver on eBay


> I ran across this one today, and it was one that I had never seen (and I
> was working in a Nak dealer at the time!)  Anyone have any more
> information about it?  I'm assuming that the amplifier section is a
> carrover from the 410 series, but that's just a wild guess.
>
>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3088216251&category=3279
>
>
> Sure would look good paired with a 582...
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From gwmunger at bestweb.net  Wed Mar 31 04:33:58 2004
From: gwmunger at bestweb.net (GEORGE)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:33:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Auto azimuth Nak Dragon coffe mug
References: <200403301000.i2UA0Uju024830@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <004901c416c8$9f854c80$fb04b3d8@MN13683>

I bet a quarter (25 cents US) that the mug has a very high WOW value along
with an unusually fast FLUTTER rate (a.k.a. BPS; antiquated phrase = 'Blinks
Per Second'). At-away- Kannan.
George Munger
I believe in analog because that is what we are.

  > Hi guys very interesting item
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3088204698&category=6459
> 8
> Description goes like this "Here's a rare chance to get a BRAND NEW
> Nakamichi Coffee Mug! Sportls the classic raymond loewy designed Nakamichi
> Logo! The Nakamichi mug is precisely callibrated to contain just the right
> amount of coffee or beverage of your choice to enjoy while listening to a
> single side of a C-30, C-60 or C-90 cassette. (C120 cassettes are not
> recommended, because warmer beverages will be too cool by the time you
> reach the end of the side, and the tape is too thin!) The Nakamichi mug
has
> continously adjustable azimuth, and is easily rotated to align with your
> table top and to line up with your bottom lip to minimize dribble.
Playback
> equalization is standard, despite what you may have heard. The gap at the
> top is as wide as possible to allow as much input and output as the
> dynamics may require. Not compatible with dolby b,c, hx, hx pro nor dbx.
NO
> RESERVE! High Bidder Wins! Buyer Pays Shipping. Credit cards accepted via
> Paypal.com "
> kannan



From andrewmillner at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 31 09:26:57 2004
From: andrewmillner at hotmail.com (Andrew Millner)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:26:57 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Storage
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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Wed Mar 31 23:30:35 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:30:35 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20040331.133124.13605.122937@webmail17.lax.untd.com>



I am looking for a reputable Nak repairman in the Northeast that I can drive to...
NYC-D.C. corridor
and/or A-B-E area.
You would think there has to be one in Philly!
please help
thanks

bob charlanza
610.775.9354 wknds
570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m.
epcn2001 at hotmail.com (work)
epcommunitynews.com (website)


From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Mar 31 23:49:50 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:49:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20040331.133124.13605.122937@webmail17.lax.untd.com>
References: <20040331.133124.13605.122937@webmail17.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <406B3CFE.9070408@rcn.com>


Jeff Galin, of ES Labs, is in CT.

-- Ron


bobobozo at netzero.com wrote:
> 
> I am looking for a reputable Nak repairman in the Northeast that I can drive to...
> NYC-D.C. corridor
> and/or A-B-E area.
> You would think there has to be one in Philly!
> please help
> thanks
> 
> bob charlanza
> 610.775.9354 wknds
> 570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m.
> epcn2001 at hotmail.com (work)
> epcommunitynews.com (website)




From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Mar 31 23:58:49 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:58:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service- Japan
Message-ID: <8b5eec88b5c217.8b5c2178b5eec8@vsnl.net>

I am surprised that nobody had replied this request? I think there should be nak japan website like the US site. However _ The Singapore address seems the headquarters? Servicing of Nak products - try your luck with any of these 
the following is from " http://www.nakamichi.com/ "
------------------------
-------------------------
Nakamichi Offices - Worldwide  
Nakamichi Operational Headquarters 
146 Robinson Road 
#01-01 
Singapore 068909 
Phone: (65) 6221 0010 
Fax: (65) 6221 0012 
 
Nakamichi Sales Corporation 
The Grande Building
23-3, Higashi 2-Chrome
Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150-0011
Japan
Phone : 81 (3) 6418 0920
Fax : 81 (3) 3499 1826
 
Sound View International Limited 
9/F The Grande Building 
398 Kwun Tong Road 
Kwun Tong, Kowloon 
Hong Kong 
Phone: (852) 2501 5435 
Fax: (852) 2515 9881 
 
Zhongshan Kawa Nakamichi Trading Limited Company 
12/F, Room 1205-1206, Times Square 
(3 Huai Hai Road, 
Shanghai (200021) 
PRC 
Phone: (8621) 63856684 
Fax: (8621) 63910330 
 
Nakamichi UK Limited 
2nd Floor, 12 Park Place 
London SW1A 1LP 
United Kingdom 
Phone: 44 (0) 207 647 6200 
Fax: 44 (0) 207 495 2804 
 
------------------------
-------------------------
Kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: James McAllister <jmcalli at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service

> Does anyone know if the Nakamichi factory in Japan
> handles maintenance of their older cassette decks,
> etc.?  I live in Japan but don't know how to contact
> them.  I have a Dragon cassette deck and a Dragon
> turntable which that I purchased in 1984 and I'd like
> to have some routine cleaning and service.
> 
> When I originally bought them I had some problems with
> the Dragon deck.  Nakamichi sent a factory service
> representative to my house! (I lived near Tokyo). 
> Turned out that the Dragon was perfect but my
> television set was producing a strong electromagnetic
> field which interfered with the auto azimuth control
> on the Dragon.
> 
> Anyway, I hope their fantastic customer service isn't
> completely dead.  Anyone know what type of services
> they provide in Japan?
> 
> James 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Apr  1 00:06:30 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:06:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service- UK
In-Reply-To: <8b5eec88b5c217.8b5c2178b5eec8@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000601c4176c$6bf8f0c0$e3fa4c51@oemcomputer>

As I understand it, Bowers & Wilkins are the official engineers for repairs
of Nak cassette machines in the UK.  I have understood Nakamichi's London
address is simply a sales office.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 31 March 2004 22:59
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service- Japan
>
>
> I am surprised that nobody had replied this request? I think
> there should be nak japan website like the US site. However _ The
> Singapore address seems the headquarters? Servicing of Nak
> products - try your luck with any of these
> the following is from " http://www.nakamichi.com/ "
> ------------------------
> -------------------------
> Nakamichi Offices - Worldwide
> Nakamichi Operational Headquarters
> 146 Robinson Road
> #01-01
> Singapore 068909
> Phone: (65) 6221 0010
> Fax: (65) 6221 0012
>
> Nakamichi Sales Corporation
> The Grande Building
> 23-3, Higashi 2-Chrome
> Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150-0011
> Japan
> Phone : 81 (3) 6418 0920
> Fax : 81 (3) 3499 1826
>
> Sound View International Limited
> 9/F The Grande Building
> 398 Kwun Tong Road
> Kwun Tong, Kowloon
> Hong Kong
> Phone: (852) 2501 5435
> Fax: (852) 2515 9881
>
> Zhongshan Kawa Nakamichi Trading Limited Company
> 12/F, Room 1205-1206, Times Square
> (3 Huai Hai Road,
> Shanghai (200021)
> PRC
> Phone: (8621) 63856684
> Fax: (8621) 63910330
>
> Nakamichi UK Limited
> 2nd Floor, 12 Park Place
> London SW1A 1LP
> United Kingdom
> Phone: 44 (0) 207 647 6200
> Fax: 44 (0) 207 495 2804
>
> ------------------------
> -------------------------
> Kannan
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 02:40:09 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:40:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service- Japan
In-Reply-To: <8b5eec88b5c217.8b5c2178b5eec8@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <20040401004009.66940.qmail@web41408.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Kannan, 
 
              I am living in Singapore and I have in my hands a near dead (methinks) 1000ZXL. I dont think Nak is interested in repairing these things now that they seem to have shifted their interests to other areas? Just like a few days ago I called Teac and my mentioned their open reel decks, the tech spoke as if he wanted to have nothing to do with them! I am looking though for someone who can help me get this machine up and running again and I am not sure. Anyone you or anyone knows of, esp around Asia?
 
Bala Ganesh

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
I am surprised that nobody had replied this request? I think there should be nak japan website like the US site. However _ The Singapore address seems the headquarters? Servicing of Nak products - try your luck with any of these 
the following is from " http://www.nakamichi.com/ "
------------------------
-------------------------
Nakamichi Offices - Worldwide 
Nakamichi Operational Headquarters 
146 Robinson Road 
#01-01 
Singapore 068909 
Phone: (65) 6221 0010 
Fax: (65) 6221 0012 

Nakamichi Sales Corporation 
The Grande Building
23-3, Higashi 2-Chrome
Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150-0011
Japan
Phone : 81 (3) 6418 0920
Fax : 81 (3) 3499 1826

Sound View International Limited 
9/F The Grande Building 
398 Kwun Tong Road 
Kwun Tong, Kowloon 
Hong Kong 
Phone: (852) 2501 5435 
Fax: (852) 2515 9881 

Zhongshan Kawa Nakamichi Trading Limited Company 
12/F, Room 1205-1206, Times Square 
(3 Huai Hai Road, 
Shanghai (200021) 
PRC 
Phone: (8621) 63856684 
Fax: (8621) 63910330 

Nakamichi UK Limited 
2nd Floor, 12 Park Place 
London SW1A 1LP 
United Kingdom 
Phone: 44 (0) 207 647 6200 
Fax: 44 (0) 207 495 2804 

------------------------
-------------------------
Kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: James McAllister 
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service

> Does anyone know if the Nakamichi factory in Japan
> handles maintenance of their older cassette decks,
> etc.? I live in Japan but don't know how to contact
> them. I have a Dragon cassette deck and a Dragon
> turntable which that I purchased in 1984 and I'd like
> to have some routine cleaning and service.
> 
> When I originally bought them I had some problems with
> the Dragon deck. Nakamichi sent a factory service
> representative to my house! (I lived near Tokyo). 
> Turned out that the Dragon was perfect but my
> television set was producing a strong electromagnetic
> field which interfered with the auto azimuth control
> on the Dragon.
> 
> Anyway, I hope their fantastic customer service isn't
> completely dead. Anyone know what type of services
> they provide in Japan?
> 
> James 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
> ========= Register your Nak today! 
> http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> --------------------------=========
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> Maintain your account here: 
> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Apr  1 03:28:48 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:28:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service- Japan
Message-ID: <8b65ac98b6498a.8b6498a8b65ac9@vsnl.net>

Hi Bala
I know your frustrations considering I faced similar predicament just few years back and one reason why I learned to take care of my Naks myself - at the cost of my time and very expensive gadgets/ tapes. 1000zxl somehow is a wrong product at this present time to hold as many critical spares are not available - I can't blame Nakamichi for it as it is nearly 35 year old product! It has only cosmetic value right now and Person like Carlos ( in US )had given up that product  as there is no way to repair it even in US !. 
CR 7 or a Dragon is better bet right now for next ten year stint - I cannot predict any chances beyond that point !
Kannan 
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Hi Kannan, 
 
              I am living in Singapore and I have in my hands a near dead (methinks) 1000ZXL. I dont think Nak is interested in repairing these things now that they seem to have shifted their interests to other areas? Just like a few days ago I called Teac and my mentioned their open reel decks, the tech spoke as if he wanted to have nothing to do with them! I am looking though for someone who can help me get this machine up and running again and I am not sure. Anyone you or anyone knows of, esp around Asia?
 
Bala Ganesh

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
I am surprised that nobody had replied this request? I think there should be nak japan website like the US site. However _ The Singapore address seems the headquarters? Servicing of Nak products - try your luck with any of these 
the following is from " http://www.nakamichi.com/ "
------------------------
-------------------------
Nakamichi Offices - Worldwide 
Nakamichi Operational Headquarters 
146 Robinson Road 
#01-01 
Singapore 068909 
Phone: (65) 6221 0010 
Fax: (65) 6221 0012 

Nakamichi Sales Corporation 
The Grande Building
23-3, Higashi 2-Chrome
Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150-0011
Japan
Phone : 81 (3) 6418 0920
Fax : 81 (3) 3499 1826

Sound View International Limited 
9/F The Grande Building 
398 Kwun Tong Road 
Kwun Tong, Kowloon 
Hong Kong 
Phone: (852) 2501 5435 
Fax: (852) 2515 9881 

Zhongshan Kawa Nakamichi Trading Limited Company 
12/F, Room 1205-1206, Times Square 
(3 Huai Hai Road, 
Shanghai (200021) 
PRC 
Phone: (8621) 63856684 
Fax: (8621) 63910330 

Nakamichi UK Limited 
2nd Floor, 12 Park Place 
London SW1A 1LP 
United Kingdom 
Phone: 44 (0) 207 647 6200 
Fax: 44 (0) 207 495 2804 

------------------------
-------------------------
Kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: James McAllister 
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service

> Does anyone know if the Nakamichi factory in Japan
> handles maintenance of their older cassette decks,
> etc.? I live in Japan but don't know how to contact
> them. I have a Dragon cassette deck and a Dragon
> turntable which that I purchased in 1984 and I'd like
> to have some routine cleaning and service.
> 
> When I originally bought them I had some problems with
> the Dragon deck. Nakamichi sent a factory service
> representative to my house! (I lived near Tokyo). 
> Turned out that the Dragon was perfect but my
> television set was producing a strong electromagnetic
> field which interfered with the auto azimuth control
> on the Dragon.
> 
> Anyway, I hope their fantastic customer service isn't
> completely dead. Anyone know what type of services
> they provide in Japan?
> 
> James 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
> ========= Register your Nak today! 
> http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> --------------------------=========
> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: 
> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------
> ------------------------------------------=========
> 

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<DIV>Hi Kannan, </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am living in Singapore and I have in my hands a near dead (methinks) 1000ZXL. I dont think Nak is interested in repairing these things now that they seem to have shifted their interests to other areas? Just like a few days ago I called Teac and my mentioned their open reel decks, the tech spoke as if he wanted to have nothing to do with them! I am looking though for someone who can help me get this machine up and running again and I am not sure. Anyone you or anyone knows of, esp around Asia?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Bala Ganesh<BR><BR><B><I>kannan_s at vsnl.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I am surprised that nobody had replied this request? I think there should be nak japan website like the US site. However _ The Singapore address seems the headquarters? Servicing of Nak products - try your luck with any of these <BR>the following is from " http://www.nakamichi.com/ "<BR>------------------------<BR>-------------------------<BR>Nakamichi Offices - Worldwide <BR>Nakamichi Operational Headquarters <BR>146 Robinson Road <BR>#01-01 <BR>Singapore 068909 <BR>Phone: (65) 6221 0010 <BR>Fax: (65) 6221 0012 <BR><BR>Nakamichi Sales Corporation <BR>The Grande Building<BR>23-3, Higashi 2-Chrome<BR>Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150-0011<BR>Japan<BR>Phone : 81 (3) 6418 0920<BR>Fax : 81 (3) 3499 1826<BR><BR>Sound View International Limited <BR>9/F The Grande Building <BR>398 Kwun Tong Road <BR>Kwun Tong, Kowloon <BR>Hong Kong <BR>Phone: (852) 2501 5435 <BR>Fax: (852) 2515 9881 <BR><BR>Zho!
 ngshan
 Kawa Nakamichi Trading Limited Company <BR>12/F, Room 1205-1206, Times Square <BR>(3 Huai Hai Road, <BR>Shanghai (200021) <BR>PRC <BR>Phone: (8621) 63856684 <BR>Fax: (8621) 63910330 <BR><BR>Nakamichi UK Limited <BR>2nd Floor, 12 Park Place <BR>London SW1A 1LP <BR>United Kingdom <BR>Phone: 44 (0) 207 647 6200 <BR>Fax: 44 (0) 207 495 2804 <BR><BR>------------------------<BR>-------------------------<BR>Kannan<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: James McAllister <JMCALLI at YAHOO.COM><BR>Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 pm<BR>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service<BR><BR>&gt; Does anyone know if the Nakamichi factory in Japan<BR>&gt; handles maintenance of their older cassette decks,<BR>&gt; etc.? I live in Japan but don't know how to contact<BR>&gt; them. I have a Dragon cassette deck and a Dragon<BR>&gt; turntable which that I purchased in 1984 and I'd like<BR>&gt; to have some routine cleaning and service.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; When I originally bought them I had s!
 ome
 problems with<BR>&gt; the Dragon deck. Nakamichi sent a factory service<BR>&gt; representative to my house! (I lived near Tokyo). <BR>&gt; Turned out that the Dragon was perfect but my<BR>&gt; television set was producing a strong electromagnetic<BR>&gt; field which interfered with the auto azimuth control<BR>&gt; on the Dragon.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Anyway, I hope their fantastic customer service isn't<BR>&gt; completely dead. Anyone know what type of services<BR>&gt; they provide in Japan?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; James <BR>&gt; ========---------------------------------------------------------<BR>&gt; ========= Register your Nak today! <BR>&gt; http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------<BR>&gt; --------------------------=========<BR>&gt; Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist<BR>&gt; Maintain your account here: <BR>&gt; http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------<BR>&gt; ------------------------------------------=========<BR>&gt;
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Apr  1 19:07:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:07:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service- Japan
References: <8b65ac98b6498a.8b6498a8b65ac9@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <004401c4180b$c020f9f0$43773242@CopyTech>

Ohh, yes you can fix it for only $1,500-$2,000. That was my quote from ES
Labs. I have no doubt that it would come out better than new, but does it
really worth it ?

Naahhh. I don't think so ...

Carlos

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Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:28 PM
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> Hi Bala
> I know your frustrations considering I faced similar predicament just few
years back and one reason why I learned to take care of my Naks myself - at
the cost of my time and very expensive gadgets/ tapes. 1000zxl somehow is a
wrong product at this present time to hold as many critical spares are not
available - I can't blame Nakamichi for it as it is nearly 35 year old
product! It has only cosmetic value right now and Person like Carlos ( in
US )had given up that product  as there is no way to repair it even in US !.
> CR 7 or a Dragon is better bet right now for next ten year stint - I
cannot predict any chances beyond that point !
> Kannan
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> Hi Kannan,
>
>               I am living in Singapore and I have in my hands a near dead
(methinks) 1000ZXL. I dont think Nak is interested in repairing these things
now that they seem to have shifted their interests to other areas? Just like
a few days ago I called Teac and my mentioned their open reel decks, the
tech spoke as if he wanted to have nothing to do with them! I am looking
though for someone who can help me get this machine up and running again and
I am not sure. Anyone you or anyone knows of, esp around Asia?
>
> Bala Ganesh
>
> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> I am surprised that nobody had replied this request? I think there should
be nak japan website like the US site. However _ The Singapore address seems
the headquarters? Servicing of Nak products - try your luck with any of
these
> the following is from " http://www.nakamichi.com/ "
> ------------------------
> -------------------------
> Nakamichi Offices - Worldwide
> Nakamichi Operational Headquarters
> 146 Robinson Road
> #01-01
> Singapore 068909
> Phone: (65) 6221 0010
> Fax: (65) 6221 0012
>
> Nakamichi Sales Corporation
> The Grande Building
> 23-3, Higashi 2-Chrome
> Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150-0011
> Japan
> Phone : 81 (3) 6418 0920
> Fax : 81 (3) 3499 1826
>
> Sound View International Limited
> 9/F The Grande Building
> 398 Kwun Tong Road
> Kwun Tong, Kowloon
> Hong Kong
> Phone: (852) 2501 5435
> Fax: (852) 2515 9881
>
> Zhongshan Kawa Nakamichi Trading Limited Company
> 12/F, Room 1205-1206, Times Square
> (3 Huai Hai Road,
> Shanghai (200021)
> PRC
> Phone: (8621) 63856684
> Fax: (8621) 63910330
>
> Nakamichi UK Limited
> 2nd Floor, 12 Park Place
> London SW1A 1LP
> United Kingdom
> Phone: 44 (0) 207 647 6200
> Fax: 44 (0) 207 495 2804
>
> ------------------------
> -------------------------
> Kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James McAllister
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 pm
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service
>
> > Does anyone know if the Nakamichi factory in Japan
> > handles maintenance of their older cassette decks,
> > etc.? I live in Japan but don't know how to contact
> > them. I have a Dragon cassette deck and a Dragon
> > turntable which that I purchased in 1984 and I'd like
> > to have some routine cleaning and service.
> >
> > When I originally bought them I had some problems with
> > the Dragon deck. Nakamichi sent a factory service
> > representative to my house! (I lived near Tokyo).
> > Turned out that the Dragon was perfect but my
> > television set was producing a strong electromagnetic
> > field which interfered with the auto azimuth control
> > on the Dragon.
> >
> > Anyway, I hope their fantastic customer service isn't
> > completely dead. Anyone know what type of services
> > they provide in Japan?
> >
> > James
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> <DIV>Hi Kannan, </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp
;&nbsp; I am living in Singapore and I have in my hands a near dead
(methinks) 1000ZXL. I dont think Nak is interested in repairing these things
now that they seem to have shifted their interests to other areas? Just like
a few days ago I called Teac and my mentioned their open reel decks, the
tech spoke as if he wanted to have nothing to do with them! I am looking
though for someone who can help me get this machine up and running again and
I am not sure. Anyone you or anyone knows of, esp around Asia?</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Bala Ganesh<BR><BR><B><I>kannan_s at vsnl.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I am surprised that nobody had replied this
request? I think there should be nak japan website like the US site. However
_ The Singapore address seems the headquarters? Servicing of Nak products -
try your luck with any of these <BR>the following is from "
http://www.nakamichi.com/
"<BR>------------------------<BR>-------------------------<BR>Nakamichi
Offices - Worldwide <BR>Nakamichi Operational Headquarters <BR>146 Robinson
Road <BR>#01-01 <BR>Singapore 068909 <BR>Phone: (65) 6221 0010 <BR>Fax: (65)
6221 0012 <BR><BR>Nakamichi Sales Corporation <BR>The Grande
Building<BR>23-3, Higashi 2-Chrome<BR>Shibuya-ku, Tokyo
150-0011<BR>Japan<BR>Phone : 81 (3) 6418 0920<BR>Fax : 81 (3) 3499
1826<BR><BR>Sound View International Limited <BR>9/F The Grande Building
<BR>398 Kwun Tong Road <BR>Kwun Tong, Kowloon <BR>Hong Kong <BR>Phone: (852)
2501 5435 <BR>Fax: (852) 2515 9881 <BR><BR>Zho!
>  ngshan
>  Kawa Nakamichi Trading Limited Company <BR>12/F, Room 1205-1206, Times
Square <BR>(3 Huai Hai Road, <BR>Shanghai (200021) <BR>PRC <BR>Phone: (8621)
63856684 <BR>Fax: (8621) 63910330 <BR><BR>Nakamichi UK Limited <BR>2nd
Floor, 12 Park Place <BR>London SW1A 1LP <BR>United Kingdom <BR>Phone: 44
(0) 207 647 6200 <BR>Fax: 44 (0) 207 495 2804
<BR><BR>------------------------<BR>-------------------------<BR>Kannan<BR><
BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: James McAllister
<JMCALLI at YAHOO.COM><BR>Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 pm<BR>Subject:
[naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service<BR><BR>&gt; Does anyone know if the
Nakamichi factory in Japan<BR>&gt; handles maintenance of their older
cassette decks,<BR>&gt; etc.? I live in Japan but don't know how to
contact<BR>&gt; them. I have a Dragon cassette deck and a Dragon<BR>&gt;
turntable which that I purchased in 1984 and I'd like<BR>&gt; to have some
routine cleaning and service.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; When I originally bought them
I had s!
>  ome
>  problems with<BR>&gt; the Dragon deck. Nakamichi sent a factory
service<BR>&gt; representative to my house! (I lived near Tokyo). <BR>&gt;
Turned out that the Dragon was perfect but my<BR>&gt; television set was
producing a strong electromagnetic<BR>&gt; field which interfered with the
auto azimuth control<BR>&gt; on the Dragon.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Anyway, I hope
their fantastic customer service isn't<BR>&gt; completely dead. Anyone know
what type of services<BR>&gt; they provide in Japan?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; James
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Apr  1 15:57:43 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:57:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <s06c3c03.045@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Bob,

Please provide us your physical addess and the type of burglar alarm
you have installed.  Seriously, that's a really nice stash of tapes and
I must say, that I am also very impressed with Fuji's ZII and Metal Z
cassettes.  They are excellent performers with all decks, dolby freindly
and sound animated and "alive".  By the way, that's a fatastic price for
the TDK AD-90s!!!  Lucky!!

I'm unashamedly hoarding too.  I just got a couple of boxes of Sony
Super Metal Masters (C60s) in Antananrivo, Madagascar.  Heh Heh!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> rastynes at iprimus.com.au 03/27/04 01:07PM >>>
Hi Guys,

This is my first post.

Last November I purchased an immaculate and recently serviced 700 ZXL
including RM-300 remote and NR-100 external Dolby C from my friendly
local
dealer.

It compliments my 582 and LX-3.

I thought I should probably buy a few new quality tapes to demonstrate
this
deck to my friends.

I live in Sydney Australia and was shocked to find the tape supply
situation
had changed significantly since I last bought tape.

Needless to say, I have been hording cassettes ever since but its
getting
harder.

This is some of what I have been able to buy to date:

TDK MA-XG 60 & 90 (3 each)

MA-X 110 (3)

TDK MA-X 90 (5)

TDK MA-90 (about 70)

TDK MA-60 (about 10 but some still out there)

TDK SA-X 90 (2)

TDK SA-100 (12)

TDK SA-90 (about 60 but plenty still out there)

TDK SA-60 (about 10 but plenty still out there)

TDK  AD-120 (100 odd but still a few out there) I use these for a 2
hour
radio show; Stormy Monday on 2MBS FM.

TDK AD-90 (10 for $8)

Sony Metal XR 60 & 90 (4 & 3 each)

Fuji  Z II 90 (35 @ $2 each and the best chrome tape you can buy)

Fuji Z 60 (16)

Fuji DR-II 90 (9)

Maxell XL-II 110 (17)

Maxell XL-II 100 (2)

Maxell XL-II 90 (2)

Maxell XL-II 60 (2)

plus many more lower grade tapes.

Its been fun puting a collection of blank tapes together and I will
continue
to buy better quality tapes if I can find them.

I am 40 years old and recieved my first cassette recorder (Sanyo) when
I was
9 years old. These little buggers have been with me a long time.
I do not think I can give up on this recording medium.

Regards,

Rob








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:07 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes


> Folks,
>
> I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like
to
> hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder
and
> harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning
nobody
> is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK MA
> left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a
surprising
> tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've
cleaned
> up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After
hearing
> some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I
switched
> over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell MS
(studio
> version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can tell any
> difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means there
> isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it
doesn't
> seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA and
was a
> surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay ?
>
> Mark
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Apr  1 16:47:09 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:47:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Ideas
Message-ID: <1458-406C2B6D-2539@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>

hi,hope i dont come across as trying to be iconoclastic or a "trend
bucker" but i had a suggestion for somone with a really good f.m.tuner
and Antenna(not the person),maybe to put a selection on the marathon
tape from possibly a good Jazz Station.It might be fun to compare the
sound to c.d.or Vinyl.Also would love to hear a selecton from a 2 head
nak as i have two heads(also not personally).Also Mark Hugo,2 boxes of
new metals?awesome,can i get some or do i have to go to Madagascar?

thank you very much,
gerald



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Apr  1 16:48:03 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:48:03 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassettes (Maxell XLII-S): Bleus, Kannan, Jon,
	Mark and Scott
Message-ID: <s06c47cc.003@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Kannan, Jon, Mark and Scott and Bleus,

Kannan, I'm really sorry to hear that you had a bad experience with
Maxell XLII-S.  I would certainly write it off to a dud batch, although
based on recall, that couldn't have been a frequent phenomena. It's
reputation has always been a good one in general.  My personal
experience has been a very positive one, as with Mr Bleus, and have
quite a few (not 200 though!!) going back to 1984 when they said "High
Epitaxial" on them (no sign of the veritable "Black Magnetite"!!  I
would say, it's my favourite type II.

In line with George's experience, the English ones made at the
Shropshire plant are perfect - have quite a lot of them, and their long,
distinguished pedigree shows through.  I only have a dozen or so Maxell
MXs, all from the eighties, and thankfully have not been through the
horror described by Scott.  In fact, I have always thought very highly
of them - more or less a standard to judge others.  MX-S are basically
reference metals - no hassles there either.  I can scarcely imagine
better performance from a metal.  I have no Vertex.  I do have MA-XGs
(superb, more neutral than MX-S) and Sony SMM (testing tonight).  

My view is that mechanisms as good as those on dual capstan Nakamichis
tend to reduce the differences to be experienced from quantum leaps in
cassette construction and fomulation.  However, the complex formulas
such as double doping (on Fuji best chromes and TDK SA-X to name just a
couple) require better cassette decks to get the best performance from
them.  Top end decks have more in the way of VA going to the record
heads.  Apparently, Japanese decks in the late 70s into 80s standardised
on 12 VA because this current would be insufficient to properly
magnetise the natural chromes (not doped ferrics/pseudochromes) being
produced by BASFin Germany!!  Talk about industry collusion!!  Nakamichi
always did their own thing though and did not adhere to this standard. 
BASF sales suffered and gained a reputation for sounding "dull" and
saturating quickly (distorting from too much level).  This was utterly
undeserved though.  Those with Naks, ReVox and Tandberg (and
Alpine/Alpage, lest I forget) knew how to make them cook though.

Cheers,

Marc


>>> kjbleus at charter.net 03/27/04 07:34AM >>>
Kannan & John,

I've used Maxell XLIIS cassettes for nearly 20 years now, and I
honestly have never had one of these cassettes perform poorly with
dropouts or inherent cassette mechanism failure.  A few have fallen due
to poor use in factory issue auto cassette decks (I graduated to
exclusively using Nak mobile decks back in 1989, no probs since then). 
Really must state my opinion that Maxell XLIIS have been the most
reliable CrO2 bias type cassette I have used.  Performed superbly in my
Marantz and Nakamichi decks.  I've probably got about 200 XLIIS 60's,
90's, and maybe 30 100's in my cassette collection.  Some of the 60's
and 90's have history with me back to 1985/86, and those still perform
well.  I've been dabbling with other brands of cassettes during the
winter months, even getting into some serious use of metal bias
cassettes.  The super quality metals, like TDK MA-XG, MA-EX, Sony Metal
Master, Maxell MX, MX-S are clearly at the highest plateau of potential
performance.  Still though, the mainstay brand of cassette for everyday
use in my studio, remains Maxell XLIIS.  These are almost all Japanese
manufactured cassettes, with some of the later purchases and exchanges
I've made (last couple years) being the UK/European editions.

Regards,

K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA



Message: 9
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:32:09 -0800
From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <001201c41392$f0f111a0$0400000a at uswest.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Kannan,

I recently purchased many XLII-S tapes through www.cheapbatteries.com 
I
think this source has very good prices.

These tapes have given me zero problems so far although the rolling
mechanism is not as silky smooth as say Maxell MX tapes.  On the label
the
small print says, "Made in England."  I do not know if it means the
tape
itself is made in England or if the cassette is assembled in England
from
tape made in Japan.  (I have Maxell UR Type I tapes which state on the
label:  "Assembled in Korea with Japan and US components.")

I do remember a post from someone who noted that tapes made in certain
countries in Europe were to be avoided.  The poster did not mention
England.
If I do have problems with the English made XLII-S tapes I will
certainly
notify everyone, but so far, so good.

Jon

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> Jon
>
> I had bought about 20 Maxell XL IIS tapes in India about 2 years back
and
found that almost 40% of the tapes had Droputs - Absolutely bad patches
of
drop outs. While I had used XLII many times which are very consistant
and I
would not hesitate to buy it. I stopped buying XLII S because of one
experience. However if the tape is very reputed and commands premium I
do
not expect such problem in large numbers. However  I have never
noticed
dropouts in TDK SA or SAX tapes while I found such tapes as CD Base or
CD it
generally do not have decent recording qualities. If your experience is
a
good one - it may be that my purchase may belong  to a specific
production
lot and may not be observed here?
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Thu Apr  1 17:01:47 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:01:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Ideas
Message-ID: <s06be89c.062@mail.anderson.edu>

Gerald,
 
Madagascar?  Why not Madelectriccar?  (That's mad electric car, not mad
a gas car!)  You are one sick dude!  But, I've been told it takes one to
know one.   ;o]   Are you sure you don't have antennae on both heads (of
the deck)?  Seriously, I like your idea, provided it is a good quality
FM station.  As for the brokerage service you are requesting from Marc,
that sounds like a great idea to me, but how does Marc feel about being
a broker, especially with all the negative spin brokers (Wall Street)
are getting these days?  As always, Enjoy the Music!
 
Kent

>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 4/1/04 9:47:09 AM >>>

hi,hope i dont come across as trying to be iconoclastic or a "trend
bucker" but i had a suggestion for somone with a really good f.m.tuner
and Antenna(not the person),maybe to put a selection on the marathon
tape from possibly a good Jazz Station.It might be fun to compare the
sound to c.d.or Vinyl.Also would love to hear a selecton from a 2 head
nak as i have two heads(also not personally).Also Mark Hugo,2 boxes of
new metals?awesome,can i get some or do i have to go to Madagascar?

thank you very much,
gerald

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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Apr  1 19:45:36 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:45:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Ideas
In-Reply-To: <1458-406C2B6D-2539@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000001c41811$2385d2e0$65c187d9@oemcomputer>

Nice idea!  Although must confess that there are no decent jazz FM stations
in the UK.  At least, no jazz being broadcast without it first having the
life compressed out of it.  Having said that, the classical BBC Radio 3 does
some jazz broadcasts esp. on a Sunday, when the sound isn't so lifeless.
They can be worth a try.

However, for my piece I think I will buck the trend and have recorded off
vinyl a solo voice with one instrument - Sinead O'Connor singing "Scarlet
Ribbons".  Not exactly a hip tune!  However, you'll be pressed to hear a
version quite as good as this one in terms of emotional power ...

Gra'

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> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 01 April 2004 15:47
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Ideas
>
>
> hi,hope i dont come across as trying to be iconoclastic or a "trend
> bucker" but i had a suggestion for somone with a really good f.m.tuner
> and Antenna(not the person),maybe to put a selection on the marathon
> tape from possibly a good Jazz Station.It might be fun to compare the
> sound to c.d.or Vinyl.Also would love to hear a selecton from a 2 head
> nak as i have two heads(also not personally).Also Mark Hugo,2 boxes of
> new metals?awesome,can i get some or do i have to go to Madagascar?
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Apr  2 00:17:45 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:17:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Nakathon
References: <s06be89c.062@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <000c01c41837$297ad440$34773242@CopyTech>

Received the San Francisco's Master today. Listened to side A already. So
far, so good. Will work with it on the weekend. By next week the first
volume of this year's Marathon Tape would be ready.

Carlos



From BADANTH at aol.com  Thu Apr  1 20:40:19 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:40:19 EST
Subject: [naktalk] SF Nakathon
Message-ID: <dc.70d5c72.2d9dbc13@aol.com>

My selection is on the way Carlos, I hope you find it satisfactory.

Regards,
Anthony
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Apr  2 07:11:29 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:11:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Nakathon
References: <dc.70d5c72.2d9dbc13@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001901c41870$f614d260$ba773242@CopyTech>

Thanks!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
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  Subject: Re: [naktalk] SF Nakathon


  My selection is on the way Carlos, I hope you find it satisfactory.

  Regards,
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Fri Apr  2 03:32:01 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:32:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Question About Bias Adjustment
References: <200403301000.i2UA0Uju024830@zebra.naks.com>
	<004901c416c8$9f854c80$fb04b3d8@MN13683>
Message-ID: <003101c41852$4c836180$6401a8c0@cn593434a>

Here is a question for the group.  Please help if you can.

I have recently picked up a used 582 in very good condition.  It records and
plays back without any trouble at all with my current supply of Maxell
tapes.  I went searching for metal tapes, found some apparently new TDK
MA-90, and purchased 10 of them.  With new metal tapes in hand, next I
adjusted the Record level for the TDK tape as described in the manual.  It
needed only a small tweak as the deck had been setup for the Maxell brand.
Next, I did the bias adjustment, also described in the manual, and here is
what I observed.  The bias adjustment can not be set low enough to get the
level down to 0 dB.  The adjustment screw stops at an indicated bias level
of +3 dB in the left channel and +4 dB in the right channel.

So here is the question.  What effect, if any, will this have on recorded
music?  Lower signal to noise?  More distortion?  Is there any way to
correct this problem?  When I did the bias adjustment with the much older
Maxell MA-90 tape, I was just able to get the bias reading to 0 dB in both
channels with very little adjustment room to spare.

Thanks very much, and I must say that I absolutely enjoy every minute
reading the treads on this group.  The love and passion that springs forth
is because music is a beautiful temptress.  The rest is just hormones.  At
this moment, the 582 is pumping out the sounds of the pop group Chicago from
their release numbered 13, which I recored onto lowly Maxell UDXL-I with my
480 way back in the early 1980's and it sounds just a vibrant today as it
did back then.  The 480 is currently in the shop getting rid of orange cap
disease.

And while I am typing, one more question.  A few years ago, I had the good
fortune to marry a woman who also has a passion for good music and she
happens to own a Maxell model HE-44 head demagnetizer.  Not a traditional
demagnitizer, it is built into a cassette case which you pop into your deck.
It is activated when you press Play.  It demags only the PB head.  Does
anyone have familiarity with this beast and dare I use it on my new and
priceless 582?

Thanks again,
Dean



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri Apr  2 03:59:22 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:59:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Question About Bias Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <003101c41852$4c836180$6401a8c0@cn593434a>
References: <200403301000.i2UA0Uju024830@zebra.naks.com>	<004901c416c8$9f854c80$fb04b3d8@MN13683>
	<003101c41852$4c836180$6401a8c0@cn593434a>
Message-ID: <406CC8FA.3080508@rcn.com>


Are you sure you adjusted the bias *exactly* as explained
in the manual? There are two points showing 0db, only one of
each is correct. Possibly, you are close to the (incorrect)
low bias point.

If the bias it set too low, the high frequencies will be
exaggerated and distortion will be increased.

You may use your wifes demagnetizer. Unfortunately, it will
not demagnetize the complete tape path, only the PB head
(quite important, but not enough). The wand type is preferable.

-- Ron



Dean Bauer wrote:

> Here is a question for the group.  Please help if you can.
> 
> I have recently picked up a used 582 in very good condition.  It records and
> plays back without any trouble at all with my current supply of Maxell
> tapes.  I went searching for metal tapes, found some apparently new TDK
> MA-90, and purchased 10 of them.  With new metal tapes in hand, next I
> adjusted the Record level for the TDK tape as described in the manual.  It
> needed only a small tweak as the deck had been setup for the Maxell brand.
> Next, I did the bias adjustment, also described in the manual, and here is
> what I observed.  The bias adjustment can not be set low enough to get the
> level down to 0 dB.  The adjustment screw stops at an indicated bias level
> of +3 dB in the left channel and +4 dB in the right channel.
> 
> So here is the question.  What effect, if any, will this have on recorded
> music?  Lower signal to noise?  More distortion?  Is there any way to
> correct this problem?  When I did the bias adjustment with the much older
> Maxell MA-90 tape, I was just able to get the bias reading to 0 dB in both
> channels with very little adjustment room to spare.
> 
> Thanks very much, and I must say that I absolutely enjoy every minute
> reading the treads on this group.  The love and passion that springs forth
> is because music is a beautiful temptress.  The rest is just hormones.  At
> this moment, the 582 is pumping out the sounds of the pop group Chicago from
> their release numbered 13, which I recored onto lowly Maxell UDXL-I with my
> 480 way back in the early 1980's and it sounds just a vibrant today as it
> did back then.  The 480 is currently in the shop getting rid of orange cap
> disease.
> 
> And while I am typing, one more question.  A few years ago, I had the good
> fortune to marry a woman who also has a passion for good music and she
> happens to own a Maxell model HE-44 head demagnetizer.  Not a traditional
> demagnitizer, it is built into a cassette case which you pop into your deck.
> It is activated when you press Play.  It demags only the PB head.  Does
> anyone have familiarity with this beast and dare I use it on my new and
> priceless 582?
> 
> Thanks again,
> Dean





From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Fri Apr  2 05:08:13 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:08:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Question About Bias Adjustment
References: <200403301000.i2UA0Uju024830@zebra.naks.com>	<004901c416c8$9f854c80$fb04b3d8@MN13683><003101c41852$4c836180$6401a8c0@cn593434a>
	<406CC8FA.3080508@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <004101c4185f$bd05f320$6401a8c0@cn593434a>

Ron,

Thanks for you response.  The 582 manual instructs to set the 15 kHz tone
level "within one dB of the 0 dB mark".  The 582 has analoge meters.  Can
you provide a more detailed description of which marking on the meter
represents zero?  The +3 and +4 dB readings I described are to the right
hand (+) side of indicated "0" on my deck.  Thanks for your help as I am not
a tape deck technician.

Dean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question About Bias Adjustment


>
> Are you sure you adjusted the bias *exactly* as explained
> in the manual? There are two points showing 0db, only one of
> each is correct. Possibly, you are close to the (incorrect)
> low bias point.
>
> If the bias it set too low, the high frequencies will be
> exaggerated and distortion will be increased.
>
> You may use your wifes demagnetizer. Unfortunately, it will
> not demagnetize the complete tape path, only the PB head
> (quite important, but not enough). The wand type is preferable.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
> Dean Bauer wrote:
>
> > Here is a question for the group.  Please help if you can.
> >
> > I have recently picked up a used 582 in very good condition.  It records
and
> > plays back without any trouble at all with my current supply of Maxell
> > tapes.  I went searching for metal tapes, found some apparently new TDK
> > MA-90, and purchased 10 of them.  With new metal tapes in hand, next I
> > adjusted the Record level for the TDK tape as described in the manual.
It
> > needed only a small tweak as the deck had been setup for the Maxell
brand.
> > Next, I did the bias adjustment, also described in the manual, and here
is
> > what I observed.  The bias adjustment can not be set low enough to get
the
> > level down to 0 dB.  The adjustment screw stops at an indicated bias
level
> > of +3 dB in the left channel and +4 dB in the right channel.
> >
> > So here is the question.  What effect, if any, will this have on
recorded
> > music?  Lower signal to noise?  More distortion?  Is there any way to
> > correct this problem?  When I did the bias adjustment with the much
older
> > Maxell MA-90 tape, I was just able to get the bias reading to 0 dB in
both
> > channels with very little adjustment room to spare.
> >
> > Thanks very much, and I must say that I absolutely enjoy every minute
> > reading the treads on this group.  The love and passion that springs
forth
> > is because music is a beautiful temptress.  The rest is just hormones.
At
> > this moment, the 582 is pumping out the sounds of the pop group Chicago
from
> > their release numbered 13, which I recored onto lowly Maxell UDXL-I with
my
> > 480 way back in the early 1980's and it sounds just a vibrant today as
it
> > did back then.  The 480 is currently in the shop getting rid of orange
cap
> > disease.
> >
> > And while I am typing, one more question.  A few years ago, I had the
good
> > fortune to marry a woman who also has a passion for good music and she
> > happens to own a Maxell model HE-44 head demagnetizer.  Not a
traditional
> > demagnitizer, it is built into a cassette case which you pop into your
deck.
> > It is activated when you press Play.  It demags only the PB head.  Does
> > anyone have familiarity with this beast and dare I use it on my new and
> > priceless 582?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Dean
>
>
>
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Apr  2 05:22:03 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:22:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Marathon Tape
Message-ID: <001f01c41861$abe8c6b0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hey Carlos,

Great to hear our master tape finally arrived.....I was getting worried.  I guess Priority Mail doesn't always mean 'Priority'.  I also sent along a separate selection on another tape, but you certainly don't need to use it unless you have room in your final mix.  I think the idea of the SF Session CD is a great one.

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Apr  2 06:12:33 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:12:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2) Antennas
Message-ID: <3597-406CE831-3973@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

1)hi,perhaps a request for FM Stereo on the new   marathon tape is not a
great idea after all.Could even a very high quality F.M tuner and
antenna be considered a high fidelity audio device given all the noise
from the stereo decoding?2)From what i can gather ,the antenna is the
weakest link in many otherwise outstanding tuner  coupled discrete
component systems,and apparently even an average  tuner with a first
rate antenna woud be preferable to a great tuner with a cheap
antenna.That gets me to thinking about the heirarchy of audio components
to be considered when upgrading systems.I might make a post regarding
this topic on AUDIOTALK.

thank you very much,
gerald



From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Apr  2 08:57:55 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:57:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2) Antennas
In-Reply-To: <3597-406CE831-3973@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001001c4187f$d2d98340$53d14c51@oemcomputer>

I think in some parts of the World FM can still carry a real hi fi signal
but the best radio broadcast signals are, I believe, generally carried these
days are in the digital domain, carried by cable, terrestrial or satellite,
with the latter probably being the best.  Trouble is, in the UK, the best is
generally the classical BBC radio 3 programme, which isn't suitable for the
tape ... unless it's their Sunday jazz

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 02 April 2004 05:13
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2) Antennas
>
>
> 1)hi,perhaps a request for FM Stereo on the new   marathon tape is not a
> great idea after all.Could even a very high quality F.M tuner and
> antenna be considered a high fidelity audio device given all the noise
> from the stereo decoding?2)From what i can gather ,the antenna is the
> weakest link in many otherwise outstanding tuner  coupled discrete
> component systems,and apparently even an average  tuner with a first
> rate antenna woud be preferable to a great tuner with a cheap
> antenna.That gets me to thinking about the heirarchy of audio components
> to be considered when upgrading systems.I might make a post regarding
> this topic on AUDIOTALK.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Apr  2 10:24:55 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:24:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UR made in Korea: Jon
Message-ID: <s06d3f8c.072@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Jon,

I meant to respond yesterday on your noting that Maxell UR are on
occasion made in Korea.  Hitachi-Maxell has had a plant in Korea for
many years, since the early eighties ('81 I think).  As early as then
therefore many of their type Is were made off-shore in Seoul, Korea. 
The Maxell LNs (Blue and white, later orange) ( and another type I which
I forget for the moment, but coule be "UL") from '82/'83 were all made
in Korea.  This also applies to the range of Hitachi tapes that
paralleled Maxell's range.  The chromes and metals were made in Japan.

Japan's relationship with Korea of course is historical, and those
business ties remain in many ways.

Nonetheless, there were certainly no quality gripes about these tapes. 
In my opinion, they were all the match of TDKs venerable "D" which was
much loved by us early (please read 'poor') tapers.......

Sony established SKC Magnetics for SKM Industrial, and their cassettes
were straightforward clones of Sony.  Right down to the mechanisms,
appearance, hubs, rollers.....everything.  Unfortunately, as with all
manaufacturers, their range has been somewhat reduced now, but they are
still worth hunting down, particulalry the QX and ZX Metal Tech.

Marc

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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  2 12:43:11 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 02:43:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service- Japan
In-Reply-To: <004401c4180b$c020f9f0$43773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20040402104311.91857.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>

Who are theses ES labs people?
Bala

El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
Ohh, yes you can fix it for only $1,500-$2,000. That was my quote from ES
Labs. I have no doubt that it would come out better than new, but does it
really worth it ?

Naahhh. I don't think so ...

Carlos

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From: 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service- Japan


> Hi Bala
> I know your frustrations considering I faced similar predicament just few
years back and one reason why I learned to take care of my Naks myself - at
the cost of my time and very expensive gadgets/ tapes. 1000zxl somehow is a
wrong product at this present time to hold as many critical spares are not
available - I can't blame Nakamichi for it as it is nearly 35 year old
product! It has only cosmetic value right now and Person like Carlos ( in
US )had given up that product as there is no way to repair it even in US !.
> CR 7 or a Dragon is better bet right now for next ten year stint - I
cannot predict any chances beyond that point !
> Kannan
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>
> Hi Kannan,
>
> I am living in Singapore and I have in my hands a near dead
(methinks) 1000ZXL. I dont think Nak is interested in repairing these things
now that they seem to have shifted their interests to other areas? Just like
a few days ago I called Teac and my mentioned their open reel decks, the
tech spoke as if he wanted to have nothing to do with them! I am looking
though for someone who can help me get this machine up and running again and
I am not sure. Anyone you or anyone knows of, esp around Asia?
>
> Bala Ganesh
>
> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:
> I am surprised that nobody had replied this request? I think there should
be nak japan website like the US site. However _ The Singapore address seems
the headquarters? Servicing of Nak products - try your luck with any of
these
> the following is from " http://www.nakamichi.com/ "
> ------------------------
> -------------------------
> Nakamichi Offices - Worldwide
> Nakamichi Operational Headquarters
> 146 Robinson Road
> #01-01
> Singapore 068909
> Phone: (65) 6221 0010
> Fax: (65) 6221 0012
>
> Nakamichi Sales Corporation
> The Grande Building
> 23-3, Higashi 2-Chrome
> Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150-0011
> Japan
> Phone : 81 (3) 6418 0920
> Fax : 81 (3) 3499 1826
>
> Sound View International Limited
> 9/F The Grande Building
> 398 Kwun Tong Road
> Kwun Tong, Kowloon
> Hong Kong
> Phone: (852) 2501 5435
> Fax: (852) 2515 9881
>
> Zhongshan Kawa Nakamichi Trading Limited Company
> 12/F, Room 1205-1206, Times Square
> (3 Huai Hai Road,
> Shanghai (200021)
> PRC
> Phone: (8621) 63856684
> Fax: (8621) 63910330
>
> Nakamichi UK Limited
> 2nd Floor, 12 Park Place
> London SW1A 1LP
> United Kingdom
> Phone: 44 (0) 207 647 6200
> Fax: 44 (0) 207 495 2804
>
> ------------------------
> -------------------------
> Kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James McAllister
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 pm
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service
>
> > Does anyone know if the Nakamichi factory in Japan
> > handles maintenance of their older cassette decks,
> > etc.? I live in Japan but don't know how to contact
> > them. I have a Dragon cassette deck and a Dragon
> > turntable which that I purchased in 1984 and I'd like
> > to have some routine cleaning and service.
> >
> > When I originally bought them I had some problems with
> > the Dragon deck. Nakamichi sent a factory service
> > representative to my house! (I lived near Tokyo).
> > Turned out that the Dragon was perfect but my
> > television set was producing a strong electromagnetic
> > field which interfered with the auto azimuth control
> > on the Dragon.
> >
> > Anyway, I hope their fantastic customer service isn't
> > completely dead. Anyone know what type of services
> > they provide in Japan?
> >
> > James
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> Hi Kannan, 

>  

>
            
;  I am living in Singapore and I have in my hands a near dead
(methinks) 1000ZXL. I dont think Nak is interested in repairing these things
now that they seem to have shifted their interests to other areas? Just like
a few days ago I called Teac and my mentioned their open reel decks, the
tech spoke as if he wanted to have nothing to do with them! I am looking
though for someone who can help me get this machine up and running again and
I am not sure. Anyone you or anyone knows of, esp around Asia?

>  

> Bala Ganesh

kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:

> BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I am surprised that nobody had replied this
request? I think there should be nak japan website like the US site. However
_ The Singapore address seems the headquarters? Servicing of Nak products -
try your luck with any of these 
the following is from "
http://www.nakamichi.com/
"
------------------------
-------------------------
Nakamichi
Offices - Worldwide 
Nakamichi Operational Headquarters 
146 Robinson
Road 
#01-01 
Singapore 068909 
Phone: (65) 6221 0010 
Fax: (65)
6221 0012 

Nakamichi Sales Corporation 
The Grande
Building
23-3, Higashi 2-Chrome
Shibuya-ku, Tokyo
150-0011
Japan
Phone : 81 (3) 6418 0920
Fax : 81 (3) 3499
1826

Sound View International Limited 
9/F The Grande Building

398 Kwun Tong Road 
Kwun Tong, Kowloon 
Hong Kong 
Phone: (852)
2501 5435 
Fax: (852) 2515 9881 

Zho!
> ngshan
> Kawa Nakamichi Trading Limited Company 
12/F, Room 1205-1206, Times
Square 
(3 Huai Hai Road, 
Shanghai (200021) 
PRC 
Phone: (8621)
63856684 
Fax: (8621) 63910330 

Nakamichi UK Limited 
2nd
Floor, 12 Park Place 
London SW1A 1LP 
United Kingdom 
Phone: 44
(0) 207 647 6200 
Fax: 44 (0) 207 495 2804


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Kannan
<
BR>----- Original Message -----
From: James McAllister

Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:21 pm
Subject:
[naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Service

> Does anyone know if the
Nakamichi factory in Japan
> handles maintenance of their older
cassette decks,
> etc.? I live in Japan but don't know how to
contact
> them. I have a Dragon cassette deck and a Dragon
>
turntable which that I purchased in 1984 and I'd like
> to have some
routine cleaning and service.
> 
> When I originally bought them
I had s!
> ome
> problems with
> the Dragon deck. Nakamichi sent a factory
service
> representative to my house! (I lived near Tokyo). 
>
Turned out that the Dragon was perfect but my
> television set was
producing a strong electromagnetic
> field which interfered with the
auto azimuth control
> on the Dragon.
> 
> Anyway, I hope
their fantastic customer service isn't
> completely dead. Anyone know
what type of services
> they provide in Japan?
> 
> James

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri Apr  2 15:49:18 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:49:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Question About Bias Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <004101c4185f$bd05f320$6401a8c0@cn593434a>
References: <200403301000.i2UA0Uju024830@zebra.naks.com>	<004901c416c8$9f854c80$fb04b3d8@MN13683><003101c41852$4c836180$6401a8c0@cn593434a>	<406CC8FA.3080508@rcn.com>
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Dean, see page 12 of the manual. As you increase bias from
minimum, the output level will increase, go past the 0db
indication, reach a maximum, then start to decrease. The
correct point is at 0db WHILE THE METER READING IS
DECREASING. If you adjust to 0db as the meter reading is
increasing, bias will be grossly misadjusted.

This may be a bit confusing to the uninitiated. Just read
that whole page in the manual, carefully -- it will become
clearer.

Good luck,

-- Ron


Dean Bauer wrote:
> Ron,
> 
> Thanks for you response.  The 582 manual instructs to set the 15 kHz tone
> level "within one dB of the 0 dB mark".  The 582 has analoge meters.  Can
> you provide a more detailed description of which marking on the meter
> represents zero?  The +3 and +4 dB readings I described are to the right
> hand (+) side of indicated "0" on my deck.  Thanks for your help as I am not
> a tape deck technician.
> 
> Dean
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question About Bias Adjustment
> 
> 
> 
>>Are you sure you adjusted the bias *exactly* as explained
>>in the manual? There are two points showing 0db, only one of
>>each is correct. Possibly, you are close to the (incorrect)
>>low bias point.
>>
>>If the bias it set too low, the high frequencies will be
>>exaggerated and distortion will be increased.
>>
>>You may use your wifes demagnetizer. Unfortunately, it will
>>not demagnetize the complete tape path, only the PB head
>>(quite important, but not enough). The wand type is preferable.
>>
>>-- Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>Dean Bauer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Here is a question for the group.  Please help if you can.
>>>
>>>I have recently picked up a used 582 in very good condition.  It records
> 
> and
> 
>>>plays back without any trouble at all with my current supply of Maxell
>>>tapes.  I went searching for metal tapes, found some apparently new TDK
>>>MA-90, and purchased 10 of them.  With new metal tapes in hand, next I
>>>adjusted the Record level for the TDK tape as described in the manual.
> 
> It
> 
>>>needed only a small tweak as the deck had been setup for the Maxell
> 
> brand.
> 
>>>Next, I did the bias adjustment, also described in the manual, and here
> 
> is
> 
>>>what I observed.  The bias adjustment can not be set low enough to get
> 
> the
> 
>>>level down to 0 dB.  The adjustment screw stops at an indicated bias
> 
> level
> 
>>>of +3 dB in the left channel and +4 dB in the right channel.
>>>
>>>So here is the question.  What effect, if any, will this have on
> 
> recorded
> 
>>>music?  Lower signal to noise?  More distortion?  Is there any way to
>>>correct this problem?  When I did the bias adjustment with the much
> 
> older
> 
>>>Maxell MA-90 tape, I was just able to get the bias reading to 0 dB in
> 
> both
> 
>>>channels with very little adjustment room to spare.
>>>
>>>Thanks very much, and I must say that I absolutely enjoy every minute
>>>reading the treads on this group.  The love and passion that springs
> 
> forth
> 
>>>is because music is a beautiful temptress.  The rest is just hormones.
> 
> At
> 
>>>this moment, the 582 is pumping out the sounds of the pop group Chicago
> 
> from
> 
>>>their release numbered 13, which I recored onto lowly Maxell UDXL-I with
> 
> my
> 
>>>480 way back in the early 1980's and it sounds just a vibrant today as
> 
> it
> 
>>>did back then.  The 480 is currently in the shop getting rid of orange
> 
> cap
> 
>>>disease.
>>>
>>>And while I am typing, one more question.  A few years ago, I had the
> 
> good
> 
>>>fortune to marry a woman who also has a passion for good music and she
>>>happens to own a Maxell model HE-44 head demagnetizer.  Not a
> 
> traditional
> 
>>>demagnitizer, it is built into a cassette case which you pop into your
> 
> deck.
> 
>>>It is activated when you press Play.  It demags only the PB head.  Does
>>>anyone have familiarity with this beast and dare I use it on my new and
>>>priceless 582?
>>>
>>>Thanks again,
>>>Dean




From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Apr  2 15:53:00 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:53:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Bias Adjustment for Nak 582
Message-ID: <406D703C.3030708@verizon.net>

Hi Dean,

I would like you to try something and report back with what happens for 
your 582.

1. Insert the TDK MA tape and place the deck in rec/pause.

2. Set the test tone switch to 15kHz.

3. Start recording (you should just have to hit play from rec/pause).

4. Flip the tape monitor switch between tape and source. Note the 
readings. (With the tape monitor in source - they should be around 0dB, 
perhaps a slight bit lower). If the source level is high - it could 
indicate the test tone level is high or the 15kHz meter level is high.

5. With the tape monitor switch in tape - adjust the bias level pots to 
obtain the minimum reading on the meters. You'll need to try both CCW 
and CW directions (on my ZX7, CCW gives increases the bias current which 
decreases the meter reading; on my 682ZX, CCW decreases the bias current 
which increases the meter reading). Anyway, adjust bias to obtain the 
lowest reading possible on the meters.

6. Set the test tone switch to 400Hz for level calibration. Adjust rec 
cal pots to obtain 0dB on the meters.

7. Set the test tone switch to 15kHz and re-perform the bias cal. If you 
can get lower meter readings now, set at 0dB or re-perform bias and 
level cal a couple of times 'till you can obtain 0dB.

If you are unable to get the 15kHz level down to 0dB (and the 15kHz tone 
level in source was ok in step 4):

1. Set the test tone switch to 400Hz. Now, adjust the bias cal pots (not 
the rec cal) to obtain minimum readings on the meters with the 400Hz 
test tone. (Bias levels affects rec level cal and vice versa).

2. With the 400Hz test tone, now adjust rec level cal pots to obtain 0dB.

3. Set the test tone switch to 15kHz, note readings and attempt to 
adjust the bias cal pots to obtain 0dB.

4. If this does not work, note and report back with your readings, then 
proceed as follows:

1. Set the test tone switch to 400Hz, adjust rec cal pots to obtain +2 
to +3 dB on the meters (the higher you can go the better).

2. With the test tone switch still at 400Hz, adjust the bias cal pots to 
maximize the meter level (you'll likely have to try both directions).

3. Adjust rec cal pots to obtain 0dB.

4. Set the test tone switch to 15kHz and note the readings. Adjust bias 
cal pots to obtain 0dB on the meters (if possible).

5. If you were able to obtain 0dB with the bias cal, readjust level cal 
and bias cal to obtain 0dB per the manual. If not, report back with your 
notes and readings.

Mark


From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Apr  2 16:00:53 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:00:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <406D7215.7050406@verizon.net>

I love the metal tapes. I particularly like the Fuji Metal FR, Maxell 
MX-S, and the TDK MA. Used to also like the TDK MA-X and the MA-R, but, 
haven't used either of those in 20 years. I keep my eyes peeled for the 
MA-X because they were made until several years ago, but, haven't really 
been able to find any. And now that's becoming true for the other metals 
I mentioned above.
Does anyone know of a US source for any of the above ? How about the SKC 
(SKM Limited) tapes?

Mark


From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Apr  2 16:15:04 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:15:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Subject: 682ZX Alignment Question 
Message-ID: <406D7568.8080000@verizon.net>

Hi Folks,

Have a question regarding 682ZX auto rec level calibration during the 
alignment process.
I'm paraphrasing pg 25 of the 682ZX service manual a bit.

You short 2 of the IC's on the auto rec level board and disconnect the 
auto rec cal motor.
You then record the 15kHz and 400Hz test tones onto metal, high bias, 
and normal bias tapes (allowing the deck to auto adjust azimuth for each 
one). You adjust the bias cal pots for 0dB meter indication and the rec 
level pots for 90mV (metal and high bias) and 100mV (EXII which is 
normal bias).
You then connect the auto azimuth align motor to the auto rec level 
connection, place the deck in auto cal and adjust VR902 to stop the auto 
azimuth motor from rotating. You then reconnect everything and insert a 
high bias tape and verify 0dB (per the meters) with 400Hz tone and 15kHz 
tone.
All of this works fine - however, if I check the levels with the VTVM I 
get 100mV after autocal no matter what tape type I'm using. I've tried 
different flavors of the alignment, but, still end up with the same 
100mV. The VR902 position is different for normal bias (to stop rotation 
of the auto-azimuth motor) then for the other 2 tape types. It appears 
the deck is storing the 100mV value - and its the last tape type cal'd 
in the procedure.
Unless one of you have an idea of what I'm overlooking; it would seem 
that I should adjust normal bias pot level and VR902 in the procedure 
for 90mV. I have tried this and it works. I don't use normal tape except 
for alignments I do, so, maybe thats ok.
Anyone have an idea of what I'm doing wrong ?

Thanks,

Mark


From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Fri Apr  2 16:59:57 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:59:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk ii ( S-P-A-M 4.6/4.5 )
Message-ID: <s06d39b9.031@mail.anderson.edu>

Carlos,
 
My selection, "Theme From St. Elsewhere" by Dave Grusin, taken from
"The Sound of Nakamichi", which is "For Demonstration Purposes Only--Not
for Resale" tape I won the bid for on eBay a few weeks ago.  Recent
things I recorded live have been proving difficult to get clearance to
include in this Mk ii tape.  It was recorded from my Dragon (Dolby C) to
my ZX-9 (Side A:  no N.R., Side B:  Dolby B) on I Lirpa, I mean April 1.
 Just finished it before midnight!  The tape is in the mail.  Have a
great weekend and enjoy the Music!
 
Best regards,
 
Kent

>>> copytec at coqui.net 3/28/04 3:34:44 AM >>>

Marathon Tape Mark ii is finally here !
 
Again, here're the rules:
 
NO ALIGNING TONES OF ANY KIND, PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Selection under 5 minutes
Dolby B encoded
NO more than +4 db of constant level
No Rap, Classical or Hip Hop
Crome Tape Only - Metal Accepted
Try to use the shortest tape possible as the tapes wouldn't be
returned.
No Nak deck, no problem. All brands accepted.
Final product would be a CD.
As of today, you can start sending the material to me.
Deadline: May 31 2004
 
Send it Air Mail to:
 
Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773
 
Don't wait until last moment. It would be more difficult for me. This
time I'll include the selections in each of the volumes according to the
receival date order. This year could be 3 volumes.
 
That's all by now.
 
Carlos
 
 



From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Apr  2 17:39:50 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:39:50 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ES Labs
Message-ID: <001601c418c8$bcbc0120$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Bala,

ES Labs....ESL....Electronic Sevice Labs.....they are located in Wethersfield Connecticut.  The owner is Jeffrey Galin  (jeff at nakamichi.us).  They can do complete restorations of Nakamichi gear.....they do them very well, but they are not inexpensive, and they are not fast.  They will do lesser repairs if you request them, but they generally quote based on a better than factory new restoration, with all recommended upgrades, defective parts replacements, and complete factory spec adjustment.  They have worked on a Dragon and a CR7 for me with spectacular results, and I am still waiting for an RX-505 that I am hoping will be equally amazing.

If have a cherished Nak that you would like to have completely restored .....they are the place to go.

Robert Kent


Who are theses ES labs people?
Bala

El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
Ohh, yes you can fix it for only $1,500-$2,000. That was my quote from ES
Labs. I have no doubt that it would come out better than new, but does it
really worth it ?

Naahhh. I don't think so ...

Carlos
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri Apr  2 18:18:43 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:18:43 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Question About Bias Adjustment
Message-ID: <8eca5238ed04bd.8ed04bd8eca523@vsnl.net>

>From your description of the problem - I suspect bias oscillator is not functioning at its top efficiency. Sometimes the Orange Caps start their failures in this way. Also there is a possibility of the two important transistors in the bias Oscillator may be the cause. The Bias Oscillator check in service manual recommends a test to determine the current through Erase coil. If you can do that - requires HF VTVM and not regular DMM'. The current Bias Oscillator peak voltage is lesser now then that originally set when 582 was calibrated in the factory ( 25 years back or more).
Please note that the bias calibration uses 20dB boost to show the meter in 0dB position - this +3 dB in recorded signal is infact not that bad and you would find your 582 would record nicely in that position. You may not hear any abnormal increase in HF with this and you can use it without worrying as it is. However I suspect this may deteriorate soon- I am not sure how soon!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Bauer <dbauer45 at comcast.net>
Date: Thursday, April 1, 2004 5:32 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Question About Bias Adjustment

> Here is a question for the group.  Please help if you can.
> 
> I have recently picked up a used 582 in very good condition.  It 
> records and
> plays back without any trouble at all with my current supply of Maxell
> tapes.  I went searching for metal tapes, found some apparently 
> new TDK
> MA-90, and purchased 10 of them.  With new metal tapes in hand, 
> next I
> adjusted the Record level for the TDK tape as described in the 
> manual.  It
> needed only a small tweak as the deck had been setup for the 
> Maxell brand.
> Next, I did the bias adjustment, also described in the manual, and 
> here is
> what I observed.  The bias adjustment can not be set low enough to 
> get the
> level down to 0 dB.  The adjustment screw stops at an indicated 
> bias level
> of +3 dB in the left channel and +4 dB in the right channel.
> 
> So here is the question.  What effect, if any, will this have on 
> recordedmusic?  Lower signal to noise?  More distortion?  Is there 
> any way to
> correct this problem?  When I did the bias adjustment with the 
> much older
> Maxell MA-90 tape, I was just able to get the bias reading to 0 dB 
> in both
> channels with very little adjustment room to spare.
> 
> Thanks very much, and I must say that I absolutely enjoy every minute
> reading the treads on this group.  The love and passion that 
> springs forth
> is because music is a beautiful temptress.  The rest is just 
> hormones.  At
> this moment, the 582 is pumping out the sounds of the pop group 
> Chicago from
> their release numbered 13, which I recored onto lowly Maxell UDXL-
> I with my
> 480 way back in the early 1980's and it sounds just a vibrant 
> today as it
> did back then.  The 480 is currently in the shop getting rid of 
> orange cap
> disease.
> 
> And while I am typing, one more question.  A few years ago, I had 
> the good
> fortune to marry a woman who also has a passion for good music and she
> happens to own a Maxell model HE-44 head demagnetizer.  Not a 
> traditionaldemagnitizer, it is built into a cassette case which 
> you pop into your deck.
> It is activated when you press Play.  It demags only the PB head.  
> Doesanyone have familiarity with this beast and dare I use it on 
> my new and
> priceless 582?
> 
> Thanks again,
> Dean
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri Apr  2 18:33:58 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:33:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Subject: 682ZX Alignment Question
Message-ID: <8ed16358ece90a.8ece90a8ed1635@vsnl.net>

I have not done calibration of 682. I had done that on 670 and studied the 680 service manual to do. 
What I suspect in your case is that- nakamichi might have recommended slightly different level for normal tape - about 1 dB which is not very different anyway - level calibration at 0dB or +1 dB. What you notice when the mnachine doing calibration is different from your manual calibration and that is normal as the machine does not use different level input for different tape - it uses the same level 400Hz tone for all tapes.

Howver it will use -20dB level for 15 Khz bias calibration but will boost the meter to show that as 0dB as the meter is accurate at that range not at -20dB range!. So what you have done is perfectly allright.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 6:15 am
Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Subject: 682ZX Alignment Question

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Have a question regarding 682ZX auto rec level calibration during 
> the 
> alignment process.
> I'm paraphrasing pg 25 of the 682ZX service manual a bit.
> 
> You short 2 of the IC's on the auto rec level board and disconnect 
> the 
> auto rec cal motor.
> You then record the 15kHz and 400Hz test tones onto metal, high 
> bias, 
> and normal bias tapes (allowing the deck to auto adjust azimuth 
> for each 
> one). You adjust the bias cal pots for 0dB meter indication and 
> the rec 
> level pots for 90mV (metal and high bias) and 100mV (EXII which is 
> normal bias).
> You then connect the auto azimuth align motor to the auto rec 
> level 
> connection, place the deck in auto cal and adjust VR902 to stop 
> the auto 
> azimuth motor from rotating. You then reconnect everything and 
> insert a 
> high bias tape and verify 0dB (per the meters) with 400Hz tone and 
> 15kHz 
> tone.
> All of this works fine - however, if I check the levels with the 
> VTVM I 
> get 100mV after autocal no matter what tape type I'm using. I've 
> tried 
> different flavors of the alignment, but, still end up with the 
> same 
> 100mV. The VR902 position is different for normal bias (to stop 
> rotation 
> of the auto-azimuth motor) then for the other 2 tape types. It 
> appears 
> the deck is storing the 100mV value - and its the last tape type 
> cal'd 
> in the procedure.
> Unless one of you have an idea of what I'm overlooking; it would 
> seem 
> that I should adjust normal bias pot level and VR902 in the 
> procedure 
> for 90mV. I have tried this and it works. I don't use normal tape 
> except 
> for alignments I do, so, maybe thats ok.
> Anyone have an idea of what I'm doing wrong ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Fri Apr  2 18:38:53 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:38:53 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2) Antennas
References: <001001c4187f$d2d98340$53d14c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002901c418d0$fced70a0$49299bca@aisha>


Gerald, Graham ... FM is fine !  especially if you use this:  =)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3089024276

Cheers,
SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Gimli
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2) Antennas


I think in some parts of the World FM can still carry a real hi fi signal
but the best radio broadcast signals are, I believe, generally carried these
days are in the digital domain, carried by cable, terrestrial or satellite,
with the latter probably being the best.  Trouble is, in the UK, the best is
generally the classical BBC radio 3 programme, which isn't suitable for the
tape ... unless it's their Sunday jazz

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 02 April 2004 05:13
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2) Antennas
>
>
> 1)hi,perhaps a request for FM Stereo on the new   marathon tape is not a
> great idea after all.Could even a very high quality F.M tuner and
> antenna be considered a high fidelity audio device given all the noise
> from the stereo decoding?2)From what i can gather ,the antenna is the
> weakest link in many otherwise outstanding tuner  coupled discrete
> component systems,and apparently even an average  tuner with a first
> rate antenna woud be preferable to a great tuner with a cheap
> antenna.That gets me to thinking about the heirarchy of audio components
> to be considered when upgrading systems.I might make a post regarding
> this topic on AUDIOTALK.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Apr  2 19:04:28 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:04:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2) Antennas
In-Reply-To: <002901c418d0$fced70a0$49299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <000601c418d4$8f032d60$1a964c51@oemcomputer>

I'll have two ...

:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Salim Marzuki
> Sent: 02 April 2004 17:39
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2)
> Antennas
> 
> 
> 
> Gerald, Graham ... FM is fine !  especially if you use this:  =)
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3089024276
> 
> Cheers,
> SM
> 
> 
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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Fri Apr  2 05:51:26 2004
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:51:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Question About Bias Adjustment
Message-ID: <57B4EC21.1E6199F7.026D48C1@netscape.net>

Hi, Dean,


>And while I am typing, one more question.  A few years ago, I had the good
>fortune to marry a woman who also has a passion for good music and she
>happens to own a Maxell model HE-44 head demagnetizer.  Not a traditional
>demagnitizer, it is built into a cassette case which you pop into your deck.
>It is activated when you press Play.  It demags only the PB head.  Does
>anyone have familiarity with this beast and dare I use it on my new and
>priceless 582?
>

I have been using this Maxell device for more than 10 years already on my non-Naks (conbination head) decks with very good results. It is quite useful for the job. Just be careful to turn the volume, headphone and level controls down to zero when using it. The same gadget from TDK - HD-01 was reviewed in Audio March 1979 (I enclosed a Deja-Vu file with the article if it manages to come through).

With best wishes,

Nicholas.

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Apr  1 00:07:29 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:07:29 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] It's sooo quiet here.
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D42C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Howdy all, hope all is well. What happened to the development of the naktalk
marathon cd covers, any update yet?

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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Apr  2 23:30:02 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:30:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2) Antennas
In-Reply-To: <000601c418d4$8f032d60$1a964c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOENCCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

What if you made a bet on it? Is there any e-bay policy that the guy would
be in violation of if he cannot come up with the merchandise? Just curious
...

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Nelson
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:04 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2)
Antennas


I'll have two ...

:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Salim Marzuki
> Sent: 02 April 2004 17:39
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1)FM broadcast request for marathon tapes.2)
> Antennas
>
>
>
> Gerald, Graham ... FM is fine !  especially if you use this:  =)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3089024276
>
> Cheers,
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Apr  3 04:46:26 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:46:26 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] SF Marathon Tape
References: <001f01c41861$abe8c6b0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <001901c41925$dc5922d0$26773242@CopyTech>

I received the other one today. I'll return back the other.

Thanks,

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:22 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] SF Marathon Tape


  Hey Carlos,

  Great to hear our master tape finally arrived.....I was getting worried.  I guess Priority Mail doesn't always mean 'Priority'.  I also sent along a separate selection on another tape, but you certainly don't need to use it unless you have room in your final mix.  I think the idea of the SF Session CD is a great one.

  Robert Kent


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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Apr  3 04:49:13 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:49:13 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk ii ( S-P-A-M 4.6/4.5 )
References: <s06d39b9.031@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <004801c41926$401ed2b0$26773242@CopyTech>

Very Good !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kent Merideth" <khmerideth at anderson.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Mk ii ( S-P-A-M 4.6/4.5 )


> Carlos,
>
> My selection, "Theme From St. Elsewhere" by Dave Grusin, taken from
> "The Sound of Nakamichi", which is "For Demonstration Purposes Only--Not
> for Resale" tape I won the bid for on eBay a few weeks ago.  Recent
> things I recorded live have been proving difficult to get clearance to
> include in this Mk ii tape.  It was recorded from my Dragon (Dolby C) to
> my ZX-9 (Side A:  no N.R., Side B:  Dolby B) on I Lirpa, I mean April 1.
>  Just finished it before midnight!  The tape is in the mail.  Have a
> great weekend and enjoy the Music!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kent
>
> >>> copytec at coqui.net 3/28/04 3:34:44 AM >>>
>
> Marathon Tape Mark ii is finally here !
>
> Again, here're the rules:
>
> NO ALIGNING TONES OF ANY KIND, PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Selection under 5 minutes
> Dolby B encoded
> NO more than +4 db of constant level
> No Rap, Classical or Hip Hop
> Crome Tape Only - Metal Accepted
> Try to use the shortest tape possible as the tapes wouldn't be
> returned.
> No Nak deck, no problem. All brands accepted.
> Final product would be a CD.
> As of today, you can start sending the material to me.
> Deadline: May 31 2004
>
> Send it Air Mail to:
>
> Carlos J Guzman
> 51 Calle Batey
> Luquillo, PR 00773
>
> Don't wait until last moment. It would be more difficult for me. This
> time I'll include the selections in each of the volumes according to the
> receival date order. This year could be 3 volumes.
>
> That's all by now.
>
> Carlos
>
>
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Sat Apr  3 04:28:15 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:28:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Bias Adjustment for Nak 582
References: <406D703C.3030708@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <007001c41923$51ddb2d0$6401a8c0@cn593434a>

Mark,

First of all, thanks for the detailed instructions.  I followed them and recorded the results and notes within your original message below.  Please scroll down to view.  My additions are in blue font and slightly larger.  I hope they come through the e-mail as easily read.  Basically, I am nearing the point where a trip to the shop may be the best recourse, but if you do know of any other at-home adjustments and have the time for a reply, I would be most appreciative.

By the way, last night I set up the turntable and 582 to record some old vinyl onto the new TDK metal tapes and don't ya know that the phono section of my Rowland preamp delivers nothing but static?  This music habit of mine is in a wallet emptying phase.

On a much brighter note, that guy Robert Fripp and his band King Crimson has invented some remarkable music (noise to some).  The 'Larks Tongue in Aspic' recording is a must have for any of you who enjoy the experimental days of rock in the 70's.  It has me typing to the beat!  And for those of you who remember, that LP features the incredibly new (at the time) stylings of Bill Bruford on the drum set.  I guess I like it a little bit, huh?

Thanks again very much,
Dean


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark & Michelle Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:53 AM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Bias Adjustment for Nak 582


> Hi Dean,
> 
> I would like you to try something and report back with what happens for 
> your 582.
> 
> 1. Insert the TDK MA tape and place the deck in rec/pause.
> 
> 2. Set the test tone switch to 15kHz.
> 
> 3. Start recording (you should just have to hit play from rec/pause).
> 
> 4. Flip the tape monitor switch between tape (L +3 dB, R +4 dB) and source (both channels 0 dB) . Note the 
> readings. (With the tape monitor in source - they should be around 0dB, 
> perhaps a slight bit lower). If the source level is high - it could 
> indicate the test tone level is high or the 15kHz meter level is high.
> 
> 5. With the tape monitor switch in tape - adjust the bias level pots to 
> obtain the minimum reading on the meters. You'll need to try both CCW 
> and CW directions (on my ZX7, CCW gives increases the bias current which 
> decreases the meter reading; on my 682ZX, CCW decreases the bias current 
> which increases the meter reading). Anyway, adjust bias to obtain the 
> lowest reading possible on the meters.
> 
> 6. Set the test tone switch to 400Hz for level calibration. Adjust rec 
> cal pots to obtain 0dB on the meters.
> 
> 7. Set the test tone switch to 15kHz and re-perform the bias cal. If you 
> can get lower meter readings now, set at 0dB or re-perform bias and 
> level cal a couple of times 'till you can obtain 0dB.
> 
> If you are unable to get the 15kHz level down to 0dB (and the 15kHz tone 
> level in source was ok in step 4):  Minimum indicated levels are L +3 dB, R +4 dB
> 
> 1. Set the test tone switch to 400Hz. Now, adjust the bias cal pots (not 
> the rec cal) to obtain minimum readings on the meters with the 400Hz 
> test tone. (Bias levels affects rec level cal and vice versa).
> 
> 2. With the 400Hz test tone, now adjust rec level cal pots to obtain 0dB.  Can not be adjusted to high enough level, L -7 dB, R -7 dB, so I set to zero using bias adjustment.
> 
> 3. Set the test tone switch to 15kHz, note readings (off scale high on both channels) and attempt to 
> adjust the bias cal pots to obtain 0dB (lowest are L +5 dB, R +8 dB).
> 
> 4. If this does not work, note and report back with your readings, then 
> proceed as follows:
> 
> 1. Set the test tone switch to 400Hz, adjust rec cal pots to obtain +2 
> to +3 dB on the meters (the higher you can go the better) (Obtained L +1, R +3).
> 
> 2. With the test tone switch still at 400Hz, adjust the bias cal pots to 
> maximize the meter level (you'll likely have to try both directions) (L +2 dB, R +1 dB).
> 
> 3. Adjust rec cal pots to obtain 0dB.
> 
> 4. Set the test tone switch to 15kHz and note the readings (L +6 dB, R offscale +10 dB???).
. Adjust bias 
> cal pots to obtain 0dB on the meters (if possible) (L +3 dB, R +3 dB).
.
> 
> 5. If you were able to obtain 0dB with the bias cal, readjust level cal 
> and bias cal to obtain 0dB per the manual. If not, report back with your 
> notes and readings.
> 
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat Apr  3 21:02:50 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:02:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Subject: Maxell MS and TDK SM Test Results
Message-ID: <406F0A5A.5040609@verizon.net>

Folks,

Saw a post recently asking about Maxell MS tapes. I bought a 10 pack of 
the MS-60's a couple of months ago. These are the studio version of the 
XLII with a shell comparable to the XLII-S. Anyway, I've used all of 
them as of this morning - the last one had a bad shell/reel hub similar 
to what I've encountered on the more recent XLII-S tapes. This was the 
only one of the batch that had this problem. Other than that,  I could 
tell no difference in sound quality to the standard XLII.
I also bought a couple of the TDK SM-20's to test. These are the studio 
version of the SA, but, supposedly have a better endurance binder (which 
binds the magnetic coating to the polyester tape base). I tested both of 
these in my ZX-7. I found them both to be surprisingly detailed with 
excellent headroom. I might add that I have headroom problems in the 
ZX-7 with TDK SA and SA-X tape - I have to bias cal very carefully and 
set the record levels 0 to +3 on peaks to avoid high freq rolloff with 
these tapes. I did not find this to be an issue with the SM. The high 
end was excellent. The sound quality, clarity, and detail is on par (in 
my opinion) with the Maxell XLII-S (which was probably the best 
non-metal tape I've ever used once you get rid of the bad shells/reel 
hubs). A very pleasant surprise, particularly with all the durability 
problems I've heard about regarding TDK tape.
Still looking for TDK MA-X or MA's. If anyone knows of a source, please 
let me know.

Mark


From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  3 21:32:04 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:32:04 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Subject: Maxell MS and TDK SM Test Results
Message-ID: <BAY9-F15VCgFKmccjqD00050b9c@hotmail.com>

Guys,

I don't know if it's my computer, but this is the fourth message both from 
naktalk and audiotalk which I receive as a blank, with no body text at all, 
but when I hit Reply it comes up. Any ideas whre the problem is ?

George


----Original Message Follows----
From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Subject: Maxell MS and TDK SM Test Results
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:02:50 -0500

Folks,

Saw a post recently asking about Maxell MS tapes. I bought a 10 pack of the 
MS-60's a couple of months ago. These are the studio version of the XLII 
with a shell comparable to the XLII-S. Anyway, I've used all of them as of 
this morning - the last one had a bad shell/reel hub similar to what I've 
encountered on the more recent XLII-S tapes. This was the only one of the 
batch that had this problem. Other than that,  I could tell no difference in 
sound quality to the standard XLII.
I also bought a couple of the TDK SM-20's to test. These are the studio 
version of the SA, but, supposedly have a better endurance binder (which 
binds the magnetic coating to the polyester tape base). I tested both of 
these in my ZX-7. I found them both to be surprisingly detailed with 
excellent headroom. I might add that I have headroom problems in the ZX-7 
with TDK SA and SA-X tape - I have to bias cal very carefully and set the 
record levels 0 to +3 on peaks to avoid high freq rolloff with these tapes. 
I did not find this to be an issue with the SM. The high end was excellent. 
The sound quality, clarity, and detail is on par (in my opinion) with the 
Maxell XLII-S (which was probably the best non-metal tape I've ever used 
once you get rid of the bad shells/reel hubs). A very pleasant surprise, 
particularly with all the durability problems I've heard about regarding TDK 
tape.
Still looking for TDK MA-X or MA's. If anyone knows of a source, please let 
me know.

Mark
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From britri at comcast.net  Sat Apr  3 22:08:08 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:08:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Cassette Tapes
References: <40647168.6090907@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <406F19A8.6030002@comcast.net>

I don't know where you are located,  however I am in Stockton,  CA, near 
Sacramento, and pick up TDK MA at Tower Records all the time. The stock 
appears to be refreshed occasionally too.

Brian

Mark C. Barrett wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like to 
> hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder and 
> harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning nobody 
> is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK MA 
> left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a surprising 
> tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them. And, I've cleaned 
> up their supply of Maxell MX-S tapes -another favorite. After hearing 
> some bad reports on TDK SA and SA-X durability (dropouts), I switched 
> over to the venerable Maxell XLII. I've also tried the Maxell MS 
> (studio version of the XLII) and the TDK SM. I don't know if I can 
> tell any difference between the XLII and the MS (which probably means 
> there isn't!), but, I was pleasantly surprised with the TDK SM - it 
> doesn't seem to be as prone to high freq saturation as the standard SA 
> and was a surprisingly clear, pretty tape.
> Anyone know of any other source of metal tapes other than eBay ?
>
> Mark
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From BMWJPC at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 22:43:32 2004
From: BMWJPC at aol.com (BMWJPC at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:43:32 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Question for Mark / sharpei@verizon.net re XLII-S
Message-ID: <1ec.1d006b72.2da07bf4@aol.com>

I posted a message/question awhile back with no replies regarding what you 
seem to be describing re the maxell XLII-S problems with cassette shell and reel 
hubs.  Can you explain the "problem" you encountered with these?  Is there a 
"fix"?

Thanks.
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Apr  3 22:50:04 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:50:04 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Question for Mark / sharpei@verizon.net re XLII-S
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if your q requiest a responece form nak then ok oterhwise tough  tough shit























































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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
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  Subject: [naktalk] Question for Mark / sharpei at verizon.net re XLII-S


  I posted a message/question awhile back with no replies regarding what you seem to be describing re the maxell XLII-S problems with cassette shell and reel hubs.  Can you explain the "problem" you encountered with these?  Is there a "fix"?

  Thanks. 


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From BMWJPC at aol.com  Sat Apr  3 23:07:17 2004
From: BMWJPC at aol.com (BMWJPC at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:07:17 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Question for Mark / sharpei@verizon.net re XLII-S
Message-ID: <46.4aeb7683.2da08185@aol.com>

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Apr  4 13:03:45 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 13:03:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Question for Mark / sharpei@verizon.net re
	XLII-S
Message-ID: <s07007be.031@mroute.sunint.co.za>

On the Maxell XLII-S 90 and 100 from approx 2000, either Japanese or
British in my experience, on occasion, they can make a bit of a racket
when being rewound or fast-forwarded.  Yet, in play, they are quite
silent.  It may be a batch inconsistency, although for a tape of such
quaity is not really pardonable.  Nonetheless, when winding the cassette
slowly forward or back with a pen produces no unusual friction or noise
and the results in use are up to the normal (excellent) standard.

This has not applied to every one - perhaps 1 in 5 or 10....

As I say, this benign anomaly has been my experience and it has not
thwarted my enthusiasm for the type.

Regards,

Marc

>>> BMWJPC at aol.com 04/03/04 10:43PM >>>
I posted a message/question awhile back with no replies regarding what
you 
seem to be describing re the maxell XLII-S problems with cassette shell
and reel 
hubs.  Can you explain the "problem" you encountered with these?  Is
there a 
"fix"?

Thanks.

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Apr  4 13:11:15 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 13:11:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Question for Mark / sharpei@verizon.net re
	XLII-S
Message-ID: <s0700982.043@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Phillip,

The question was indeed to the group, of which you are a member.  It is
not particulalry tough and I have answered it.

Marc

>>> phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk 04/03/04 10:50PM >>>
if your q requiest a responece form nak then ok oterhwise tough  tough
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  I posted a message/question awhile back with no replies regarding
what you seem to be describing re the maxell XLII-S problems with
cassette shell and reel hubs.  Can you explain the "problem" you
encountered with these?  Is there a "fix"?

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From sharpei at verizon.net  Sun Apr  4 18:32:53 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 11:32:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S Cassette Shell/Reel Hub Problems
Message-ID: <407038B5.2030501@verizon.net>

In answer to the questions about the XLII-S problems:

Last spring I bought 20 of the XLII-S90's from tape.com. I've used 15 of 
them. I immediately started having problems with FF/RW in all 3 of my 
Naks and car deck. Some would play fine but, slow or no FF/RW. The 
affected tapes would also make a rattling noise from one or both of the 
reel hubs. Others would even play slow. I asked Stephen Sank about it 
and he replied that the later XLII-S batches suffer from the problem. Of 
the 15 tapes I've used, roughly 1/3 were bad enough to throw away. These 
particular tapes were manufactured last year and say "Made in England" 
on the back. Of the remaining 10 or so, that I've recorded; they're the 
best non-metal tape I've heard - at least to my ears. I also might 
mention that 1 of 10 Maxell MS-60 tapes I bought had the same problem.

Mark


From pieboy at att.net  Sun Apr  4 23:34:45 2004
From: pieboy at att.net (pieboy at att.net)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:34:45 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette Deck Manual
Message-ID: <040420042134.8208.40707F750002945C000020102161243646FF86909D9A96@att.net>

I purchased a used Dragon cassette deck last week, which I bought from the original owner's son. Although we found the box, the owner's manual for this machine has not yet been located. Does anyone have a jpeg of the pages from the manual on adjusting the bias and level controls and using the 400 Hz and 15 kHz test tones? Or if anyone has a text description of how to operate these functions that would be fine too. 

Although I've been fooling around with magnetic tape decks since 1968, I've never before run into one where I thought I actual needed a manual! Thanks for any and all help!

Best regards,
John Derven
(triceratops)
Eugene, Oregon





From prof at stephenellison.com  Mon Apr  5 00:09:35 2004
From: prof at stephenellison.com (stephen ellison)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:09:35 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette Deck Manual
In-Reply-To: <040420042134.8208.40707F750002945C000020102161243646FF86909D9A96@att.net>
Message-ID: <000401c41a91$879d2760$6401a8c0@ellisondev1>

Here is a link to downloading a Dragon manual.
http://members.lycos.nl/audiofriends/manuals/Nakamichi%20Dragon.pdf
Good luck. BYW, if you ever find an additional "play button" for one,
let me know.  Mine decided to find another universe to inhabit.

Stephen Ellison
University of Colorado @ Denver
Department of English







From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Apr  5 03:01:46 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:01:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 99 ways to IMPROVE your hi-fi
Message-ID: <24726-4070AFFA-3192@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>

hi-i am Now reading a book from the late sixties and early seventies
published by SAMS. the title is listed in subject header.there are ten
pages on TAPE,which i thought i would relay over the next few days.the
information will be transcribed word for word.Interested in comments
even to 'please stop"...........                LESS PRINT THROUGH-
print Through is a tapenprblem thats heard as ghostly echo during
playback.The cause is easy to trace.The magnetic field of one layer of
tape passes to an adjacent layer and transfers (or 'prints through")
part of the program.There are several cures,and the ones to use depend
on how valuable you consider a particular recording.The first step is
not only the easiest but the most important for minimzing print
through.Do not record at excessivly high levels.In turning the recorder
gain  control up into distortion,or maximum,region,the chances for print
through are multiplied.if your tape equipment is of high quality,and it
produces little noise at low recording levels,then reduced recording
gain can also be a problem.Another solution is to use special low print
through tape.it might be worth the extra cost f you intend to store
important tapes fpr long periods.   It is well to remember that even
regular tapes are less suceptible to print through if they are
occasionally played.playing tends to break up the layers that remain
storede in direct contact.    A final tip is used by some broadcast
techs.They never rewind a tape immidiatly after playing.Fast motion of
the transport tends to pack tape layers tightly together and storing
tape in this condition favors print through.It is prevented by rewinding
the reel immidiatly before the next playback.     TOMMOROW<SPLICING

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Apr  5 03:51:22 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:51:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] archives,recent marathon
Message-ID: <5311-4070BB9A-2254@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

just going through the great Naktalk Archives.What a wealth of
information! I came across some 2001 archives where Steven sank was
doing some talking about nak and mac.All this while enjoying Marathon
tape one,especially track three and that lovely voice i am in love with
her.I thought i would do two posts tonight cause its Sunday and slooow.

thank you very much,
gerald



From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Apr  5 08:09:52 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:09:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S Cassette Shell/Reel Hub Problems
References: <407038B5.2030501@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001301c41ad4$9cfb99a0$82773242@CopyTech>

That's a tape loading problem. Usually this over-tightness takes place when
the tape is loaded way too fast in the shell. Another cause may be a
defective shell.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark & Michelle Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S Cassette Shell/Reel Hub Problems


> In answer to the questions about the XLII-S problems:
>
> Last spring I bought 20 of the XLII-S90's from tape.com. I've used 15 of
> them. I immediately started having problems with FF/RW in all 3 of my
> Naks and car deck. Some would play fine but, slow or no FF/RW. The
> affected tapes would also make a rattling noise from one or both of the
> reel hubs. Others would even play slow. I asked Stephen Sank about it
> and he replied that the later XLII-S batches suffer from the problem. Of
> the 15 tapes I've used, roughly 1/3 were bad enough to throw away. These
> particular tapes were manufactured last year and say "Made in England"
> on the back. Of the remaining 10 or so, that I've recorded; they're the
> best non-metal tape I've heard - at least to my ears. I also might
> mention that 1 of 10 Maxell MS-60 tapes I bought had the same problem.
>
> Mark
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Apr  5 04:09:28 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:09:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] SF Nakathon
Message-ID: <5310-4070BFD8-3368@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

Dear Sir,
just listening again at a time of more liesure than the first brief few
auditions of tape one -of the most recent marathon tape.It is nothing
short of astonishing! What a brilliant Talent you are to produce this
stunning acievement!thank you! thank you!I was so much wanting to
contribute to the new marathonproject,however want to be able to have my
NAKS calibrated professinally  and "tuned up" first,and that will
porbably run hundreds of dollars.

thank you very much,
gerald



From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Apr  5 08:20:36 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:20:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MK ii
References: <5311-4070BB9A-2254@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <004e01c41ad6$1c5a25d0$82773242@CopyTech>

Marathon Mark ii News:

The San Francisco volume is done. Some edition was necessary due to its
lenght, but the sound is very good and the musical selection; simply
exquisite. This may be Vol. 3 for this year's project.

The Vol. 1 has 5 selections in it already. People are sending their
materials very soon and that is very good because I'm recording it in the
order I receive it into my workstation. The assembly, mastering and
sequencing are done at the same time, meaning that when the last selection
for this volume is received the project is ready at the same time.

So, keep sending the masters if you want to be part of this Marathon Tape Mk
ii.

Thanks,

Carlos




From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Apr  5 08:23:54 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:23:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] SF Nakathon
References: <5310-4070BFD8-3368@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <006001c41ad6$92420420$82773242@CopyTech>

Gerald:

Just send your selection as is. I'll take care of the rest. You are welcome
to contribute. In the mean time, I want to tell everybody that you don't
have to send your machines back to the shop in order to contribute. That's
why I do the mastering for: I correct any sound deficiencies.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: [naktalk] SF Nakathon


> Dear Sir,
> just listening again at a time of more liesure than the first brief few
> auditions of tape one -of the most recent marathon tape.It is nothing
> short of astonishing! What a brilliant Talent you are to produce this
> stunning acievement!thank you! thank you!I was so much wanting to
> contribute to the new marathonproject,however want to be able to have my
> NAKS calibrated professinally  and "tuned up" first,and that will
> porbably run hundreds of dollars.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Mon Apr  5 04:49:58 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:49:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] marathon Volume 1 CD 2
Message-ID: <40709116.16067.100FC83@localhost>

Help!

I've put together what I think is a nice set of CD covers for the first 
marathon tape project, but I don't have the title or artist for selection 
number 8 on CD 2, nor who the contributor is.  Can someone help me?  
That is all I'm lacking to get this done.

Tim



From m_a_r_k_e at netzero.com  Mon Apr  5 05:20:00 2004
From: m_a_r_k_e at netzero.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:20:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Coffee Mug Fetches Big Bucks
Message-ID: <000001c41abc$e5250940$9d8af004@compaq>


Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item# 3088204698: Nakamichi
Coffee Mug Not Cassette Deck Dragon

I saw this item for sale at eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and
thought that you might be interested.

Title of item:       Nakamichi Coffee Mug Not Cassette Deck Dragon
Seller:              josephaud
Starts:              Mar-28-04 17:51:35 PST
Ends:                Apr-04-04 18:51:35 PDT
Price:               Currently $17.530000

To bid on the item, go to:
http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=777701&l
oc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26ite
m%3D3088204698%26category%3D64598%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1


Item Description:
Here's a rare chance to get a BRAND NEW Nakamichi Coffee Mug! Sportls
the classic raymond loewy  designed Nakamichi Logo!
The Nakamichi mug is precisely callibrated to contain just the right
amount of coffee or beverage of your choice to enjoy while listening to
a single side of a C-30, C-60 or C-90 cassette. (C120 cassettes are not
recommended, because warmer beverages will be too cool by the time you
reach the end of the side, and the tape is too thin!) 
The Nakamichi mug has continously adjustable azimuth, and is easily
rotated to align with your table top and to line up with your bottom lip
to minimize dribble. Playback equalization is  standard, despite what
you may have heard. The gap at the top is as wide as possible to allow
as much input and output as the dynamics may require. Not compatible
with dolby b,c, hx, hx pro nor dbx. 
NO RESERVE!
High Bidder Wins!
Buyer Pays Shipping. Credit cards accepted via Paypal.com

Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com





From pieboy at att.net  Mon Apr  5 04:58:54 2004
From: pieboy at att.net (pieboy at att.net)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 02:58:54 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette Deck Manual
Message-ID: <040520040258.831.4070CB6D000D527E0000033F2160376223FF86909D9A96@att.net>

Got it! Thanks Stephen! I'll keep a lookout for a play button, too.

Best regards,
John Derven





> Here is a link to downloading a Dragon manual.
> http://members.lycos.nl/audiofriends/manuals/Nakamichi%20Dragon.pdf
> Good luck. BYW, if you ever find an additional "play button" for one,
> let me know.  Mine decided to find another universe to inhabit.
> 
> Stephen Ellison
> University of Colorado @ Denver
> Department of English
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  5 20:53:32 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:53:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] What tools/tapes are needed?
In-Reply-To: <406D703C.3030708@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20040405185332.19392.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>


Hello Mark,

You mentioned in one of your e-mails that you are doing your own alignment/adjustments on your Naks. What tools / tapes do you use to do this, and from where can I buy these?

Kind regards,

Dariush.


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From BADANTH at aol.com  Mon Apr  5 21:19:01 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:19:01 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S Cassette Shell/Reel Hub Problems
Message-ID: <1e8.1d18718d.2da30b25@aol.com>

I have recently purchased a large quantity of these tapes and hope this is 
not the case. Mine are also made in England and do have some noise issues during 
rewind and FF but seem to play fine. I've also got some made in Japan which 
seem much quieter but sound the same. If you do have problems they do have a 
lifetime warranty just return it to where you purchased or to Maxell of America 
for a replacement. I know it may seem like a hassle and in some cases it may 
not be worth the trouble but it may be worth it to some.

Regards,
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Apr  6 00:45:03 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:45:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] marathon Volume 1 CD 2
References: <40709116.16067.100FC83@localhost>
Message-ID: <005201c41b5f$a33948e0$1bb50642@johnnyrotten>

Everything is listed below.

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html


John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <timbarrett at cox.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: [naktalk] marathon Volume 1 CD 2


Help!

I've put together what I think is a nice set of CD covers for the first 
marathon tape project, but I don't have the title or artist for selection 
number 8 on CD 2, nor who the contributor is.  Can someone help me?  
That is all I'm lacking to get this done.

Tim

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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Tue Apr  6 04:41:29 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:41:29 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Lirpa-esque Luxman deck
Message-ID: <21488280@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Tue Apr  6 05:01:14 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:01:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on e-Bay
In-Reply-To: <21488280@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFGEOACBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

There is a CR4 currently listed for < $30. Does anyone know anything about
that seller or this particular item?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3088645537&
rd=1

I have a CR4, and wouldn't mind getting a backup unit especially in that
price range.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Stan





From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Apr  6 06:36:42 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:36:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 99 ways to improve your Hi-Fi Part Two
Message-ID: <26740-407233DA-1767@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

Hi,wondering if anyone has ever repaired one of their favourite
cassettes that had been eaten or broken?NICE SPLICE - Some handy
recordists can take ordinary scissors and splicing tape and neatly join
two strips of magnetic tape.But for most of us ,some secial technique
and mechanica assistance make the job easier.They eliminate the two
pitfalls of poor splice-an annoying "plop",and a snag as the spliced
tape rides over the recording heads.Never use ordinary cellophane
tape.It will run and ooze between tape layers and stick them
together.Avoid magnetized tools in cutting the tape>A razor or scossors
could record a pop on the tape as you cut.If you can pick up a pin with
your cutting tool,demagetize the tool(using a tape head demagnetizer).
Tape can be joined with two types of cuts ,so you'll have to choose
between them. Diagonal-This is the usual splice,achieved by cuting the
tape ends at a 45 degree angle.The advantage of this cut occurs when
different tapes (meaning those with different backgroung noise
levels)are spliced.The cut slides gradually over the playback head and
you will hear a blend between noise levels.Ther is no abrupt transition
RIGHT ANGLE-In this splice,tape ends are cut squarely.The benefit here
is that you lose the least amount of program material.This is important
when editing is close-when attempting to edit out a single
click,syllable,or other brief interval.When using the right angle cut,be
sure to leave no space between the tape ends.It causes a click on
playback.To find the Exact point of a splice on the uncut tape,audtion
the tape,then stop the unwanted bit just before it rides over the
playback head.It may require a lttle practce,but it is not difficult(try
to remove the head cover if you can).Use a grease pencil("china marker"
sold in stationary stores)to make a dot where you wil cut.Once the
undesired tape s excised,use an editing block to make the splice.The
block acts as a jig an aligns the tapes perfectly for making the cut and
pressin on the adhesive patch.Do not overlap the tape endsThey must butt
together with o intervening space.The adhesive tape is applied only to
the shiny side of the tape,then pressed into a firm bond by rubbing with
the fingernail.Final step is to remove the sticky edges of theadhesive
tape to prevent snagging in the machine.Use scissors to undercut the
tapeIf you want to do the job semiautomatically,use a gibson girl
cutter.This device is more convienient than the simpler editing block
and delivers just the right amount of indentation.The Spliced tape is
tight wasted at the undercut. BROKEN TAPE-For tapes that have
accidentally broken,use a Butt Splice to disturb the recordings as
little as possible.The ragged ends are directly butted together using an
editing block.there should be absolutely no space or overlap at the
joined ends.Undercut the splice as already described.The major problem
with broken tape is the stretch that occurs just before the break is
suffered.It creates a "wow" in the program that cannot be eliminated by
the butt splice.If wow is too objectionable,you may have to remove a
stretched section of tape and sacrifice some program material.
TOMMOROW>Clean heads,degaussing,pressure pads
by the way,is stuff like editing blocks,splcing tape and tape head
demagnetiers still being produced,or is it something else to look for
and hord?

thank you very much,
gerald



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Apr  6 08:36:42 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:36:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: reply ?  Thanks Phill
Message-ID: <s0726c27.078@mroute.sunint.co.za>



>>> Mark Hugo 04/06/04 08:12AM >>>
No worries Phill, to be honest it sure didn't sound like you!!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> "p r" <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk> 04/04/04 03:53PM >>>
hi
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like someone is sending bogus emails,  its not from me.
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From bobf at oodg.net  Tue Apr  6 07:54:37 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:54:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Lirpa-esque Luxman KX-102 deck
Message-ID: <200404060554.ASA06218@ms9.netsolmail.com>

I have had a KX-102 since new.  So glad to help in any way I can.
The KX-102's big claim to fame was the DBX record and playback.

But first your questions.

Yes the motorized faceplate was really coll for people with children 
because you could disable the faceplate and it locked down all the 
controls so they could not be played with.  Other than that it was a 
big hassle and required periodic maintanance and cleaning to keep it 
working smoothly.

As for the Dolby it was Dolby B only with the addition of DBX and 
DBX disk.  DBX is a dynamic compression and expansion somewhat like 
MP3 is today.  DBX disk was a really cool idea in that you could take
LP record and compress the recording then expand it back out in a way 
that allowed a cheaper turntable to really sound great.

DBX disk is a pass through setting where you route the turntable to the 
deck then monitor the deck to the speakers so it can decode the disk 
for playback while you do or dont record things.

I think the reason DBX did not last was there were three different 
levels of DBX encoding and you had to have the complimentary chip to
properly decode.  Otherwise the sound was greatly compressed and 
distorted.  If you had an Alpine DBX deck in your car and a Luxman
at home they were the largest compression and worked great together.
Yamaha used the DBX 2 chip set and it seemed nobody else had anything
that matched it.  Since there were many more Yamaha units sold than
Luxman they were the standard.  And since all the professional recorded
DBX tapes and disks were using DBX 3 they never sounded right.  But 
those of us with Alpine and Luxman thought it was the greatest thing.

As for the Azimuth correction hole it is essential if your DBX recorded 
shell is slightly warped or not properly centered.  You were suposed to 
use a small screwdriver to set he tracking then of course you had to 
recalibrate everything for next time. The upper end cassetes back then 
had a hole that matched the set screw.

Yes the auto calibration was cool and seemed to work very well.
Then you told it to store the settings and you could use the memory
setting the next time.  Since CMOS memory was used back then the 
batteries were used to save the calibration settings for later.
If the batteries went you just replaced them and calibrated again 
next time you used it.

If you don't yet have a manual reply directly back to me and I will
be glad to copy it and send it on.  I actually may even have an 
electronic copy of the manual.

Let me know if you have more questions.

Bob Folline

---- Original message ----
>Date: 05 Apr 2004 19:23:57 PDT
>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)  
>Subject: [naktalk] Lirpa-esque Luxman deck  
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>Hello all,
>Okay, no funny stuff this time. Well, no very funny stuff. I just acquired a
>Luxman KX-102, a three-head deck from the mid-80's. It certainly is a
>time-capsule. The aesthetics are very 80's: big, back-lit clear lexan 
controls
>that look cool and are hard to read, a motorized face-plate that retracts 
when
>you switch the deck on, and lots of computerized stuff including a very
>impressive "computer tuning system" which automatically records test-tones 
for
>bias, eq and "cal" (? some sort of dolby calibration?). It appears to record
>tones, test them and then calibrate over and over until it believes it's 
right.
>Pretty spiffy. I sort of love that ergonomics and logic are largely 
irrelevant
>to the front panel design in favor of making it look really, really 
futuristic.
>
>The transport appears pretty crude: single capstan, nylon guides. The sound 
is
>pretty good. Nice separation, very quiet, nowhere near the warmth and 
definition
>of my "steven sanktified" CR-3a, tho.
>
>One thing I can't figure out is the "play skew" which appears to be nothing 
more
>than a hole in the cassette door cover. The hole is labeled "this is for 
subtle
>adjustment of the playback azimuth of the tape recorded by other decks". 
There
>is no set screw behind the hole, which is covered by the cassette's shell 
when
>you put a tape in. So, question one: what is this? Do I really adjust this
>precision device by poking it with a very small stick?
>
>Question 2: On the back there is a small space to put two AA batteries. A 
light
>on the front tells you if the batteries are dead. Again, what in the world?
>Something for the computer memory? I don't think they had bubble memory back
>then...
>
>Question 3: The deck has three settings for NR: "dbx tape", "dbx disc" and
>"dolby NR". But is that dolby b or c?
>
>So, if anyone knows anything about this strange beast I'd love to hear it. If
>anyone knows of a source for a manual I'd be elated.
>best,
>Fred
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From bsamonte at nyc.rr.com  Sat Apr  3 15:00:37 2004
From: bsamonte at nyc.rr.com (Benedict Samonte)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:00:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] HI!
Message-ID: <200404031300.i33D0YS6026392@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

 

 Hi Hello to everyone, just registered with Naks.com. Presently have a CR-5A
and waiting for a CR-7A. Glad to have found this site for NAK enthusiasts.
Can't wait to exchange ideas with you guys.

Regards

Ben

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From burketg at comcast.net  Fri Apr  2 21:13:01 2004
From: burketg at comcast.net (Gary Burkett)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:13:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] nak 682zx specs
Message-ID: <000801c418e6$8514e3e0$803ca043@BURKETG>

I'm looking for a site where I can finf specs on the 682zx and maybe download them. Any help would be appreciated    
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From lnag_83 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  5 20:40:50 2004
From: lnag_83 at yahoo.com (PABLO TORRES)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 682zx service manual
Message-ID: <20040405184050.40332.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi:
I just bought a 682zx and I would like to learn how to use and
calibrate this deck correctly,does anyone know where can I download the
service manual for the 682zx?

tia

lnag_83

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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Tue Apr  6 22:51:09 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:51:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] HI! and Welcome
In-Reply-To: <200404031300.i33D0YS6026392@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMEOECBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Welcome to the list Ben !!! This is for sure THE place to exchange ideas
about Naks.

Hope you will enjoy your new CR-7A. This is one of the ultimate machines
Nakamichi has produced - many of us here would dare to say this would be the
best sounding unit you can buy today [considering that the 1000ZXx and
700ZXx are extremely expensive to maintain].

I own CR-2A and CR-4A, and several JVC, Pioneer, Denon, and Harman Kardon
top of the line decks from the mid 80's.

Stan
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Benedict Samonte
  Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 7:01 AM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] HI!



   Hi Hello to everyone, just registered with Naks.com. Presently have a
CR-5A and waiting for a CR-7A. Glad to have found this site for NAK
enthusiasts.  Can't wait to exchange ideas with you guys.

  Regards

  Ben
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Apr  6 23:03:03 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:03:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMEOECBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <200404031300.i33D0YS6026392@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040406165636.0197d540@psulias.psu.edu>

After an increasing number of my CD-Rs have been failing over the years, 
and the untimely death of my Philips component CD-R recorder, I hooked up 
the old CR-2 to the main system once again.  I once again have a tape deck 
in my car and will be doing lots of LP taping, much less of a hassle then 
recording them onto the computer and burning them to CD.

Two questions.
1. Are metal tapes and high quality Type II tapes like the XLIIS 
extinct?  Can't find any metal tapes and XLIIS are "limited quantities".

2. While I've been very happy with my CR-2 over the years, I'd like to pick 
up a "NAAC" deck, especially for my collection of live tapes which have 
come from hundreds of different decks.  Which decks have this feature, and 
is the quality increase significant? I used to record my shows to computer, 
run some NR over them, and then burn them, but I just don't have the time 
anymore.

Thanks!



From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Tue Apr  6 23:11:14 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:11:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040406165636.0197d540@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOEOFCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Derrick - metals and high quality type II's are already relatively difficult
to get. You may still be able to come by TDK MA, but these are not the way
they used to be. I have seen many people stocking up on Maxell XL-II's, and
TDK SA-X's. If you find tapes you like, get them.

As far as NAAC, Dragon is the only deck that has it available (I am not sure
about 1000ZXL - but this is IMHO not worth considering in 2004). You have
decks like DR-1, and Cassette-Deck 1, with manual playback azymuth control
available. And if you should be using tapes recorded on other decks, this is
a great feature.

Stan

P.S. - academically, the only other deck that comes to mind with Auto
Azimuth, was Marantz model from mid 80's with MAAC ...

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:03 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Hello


After an increasing number of my CD-Rs have been failing over the years,
and the untimely death of my Philips component CD-R recorder, I hooked up
the old CR-2 to the main system once again.  I once again have a tape deck
in my car and will be doing lots of LP taping, much less of a hassle then
recording them onto the computer and burning them to CD.

Two questions.
1. Are metal tapes and high quality Type II tapes like the XLIIS
extinct?  Can't find any metal tapes and XLIIS are "limited quantities".

2. While I've been very happy with my CR-2 over the years, I'd like to pick
up a "NAAC" deck, especially for my collection of live tapes which have
come from hundreds of different decks.  Which decks have this feature, and
is the quality increase significant? I used to record my shows to computer,
run some NR over them, and then burn them, but I just don't have the time
anymore.

Thanks!

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Apr  6 23:23:18 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:23:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOEOFCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040406165636.0197d540@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040406171814.01988ae0@psulias.psu.edu>

I just pitched tons of tapes, most of which had been replaced, were in 
terrible shape, or just nothing I'd listen too again.  Luckily I had the 
foresight to hold onto all the metals and XLIIS.  Unfortunately, I pitched 
all the regular XLII.

One nice thing I've noticed is that you can get just about any used, 
pre-recorded tape for about $1 these days.  A great option for an album you 
aren't %100 sold on.

Does the CR-7 have manual az?  Those seem to be a little cheaper than the 
DRAGONs, although, there always seem to be far more DRAGONS for sale on ebay.

Was looking for some of the old STASIS amps, man those things have 
certainly held their value!

At 04:11 PM 4/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Derrick - metals and high quality type II's are already relatively difficult
>to get. You may still be able to come by TDK MA, but these are not the way
>they used to be. I have seen many people stocking up on Maxell XL-II's, and
>TDK SA-X's. If you find tapes you like, get them.
>
>As far as NAAC, Dragon is the only deck that has it available (I am not sure
>about 1000ZXL - but this is IMHO not worth considering in 2004). You have
>decks like DR-1, and Cassette-Deck 1, with manual playback azymuth control
>available. And if you should be using tapes recorded on other decks, this is
>a great feature.
>
>Stan
>
>P.S. - academically, the only other deck that comes to mind with Auto
>Azimuth, was Marantz model from mid 80's with MAAC ...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:03 PM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: [naktalk] Hello
>
>
>After an increasing number of my CD-Rs have been failing over the years,
>and the untimely death of my Philips component CD-R recorder, I hooked up
>the old CR-2 to the main system once again.  I once again have a tape deck
>in my car and will be doing lots of LP taping, much less of a hassle then
>recording them onto the computer and burning them to CD.
>
>Two questions.
>1. Are metal tapes and high quality Type II tapes like the XLIIS
>extinct?  Can't find any metal tapes and XLIIS are "limited quantities".
>
>2. While I've been very happy with my CR-2 over the years, I'd like to pick
>up a "NAAC" deck, especially for my collection of live tapes which have
>come from hundreds of different decks.  Which decks have this feature, and
>is the quality increase significant? I used to record my shows to computer,
>run some NR over them, and then burn them, but I just don't have the time
>anymore.
>
>Thanks!
>
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  6 23:29:49 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:29:49 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
Message-ID: <BAY9-F59B5TMnYMuwba00083bd7@hotmail.com>

1000ZXL has no playback azimuth adjustment. CR-7 is the best one with manual 
pb azimuth adjustment.

George

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:11:14 -0500

Derrick - metals and high quality type II's are already relatively difficult
to get. You may still be able to come by TDK MA, but these are not the way
they used to be. I have seen many people stocking up on Maxell XL-II's, and
TDK SA-X's. If you find tapes you like, get them.

As far as NAAC, Dragon is the only deck that has it available (I am not sure
about 1000ZXL - but this is IMHO not worth considering in 2004). You have
decks like DR-1, and Cassette-Deck 1, with manual playback azymuth control
available. And if you should be using tapes recorded on other decks, this is
a great feature.

Stan

P.S. - academically, the only other deck that comes to mind with Auto
Azimuth, was Marantz model from mid 80's with MAAC ...

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:03 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Hello


After an increasing number of my CD-Rs have been failing over the years,
and the untimely death of my Philips component CD-R recorder, I hooked up
the old CR-2 to the main system once again.  I once again have a tape deck
in my car and will be doing lots of LP taping, much less of a hassle then
recording them onto the computer and burning them to CD.

Two questions.
1. Are metal tapes and high quality Type II tapes like the XLIIS
extinct?  Can't find any metal tapes and XLIIS are "limited quantities".

2. While I've been very happy with my CR-2 over the years, I'd like to pick
up a "NAAC" deck, especially for my collection of live tapes which have
come from hundreds of different decks.  Which decks have this feature, and
is the quality increase significant? I used to record my shows to computer,
run some NR over them, and then burn them, but I just don't have the time
anymore.

Thanks!

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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Tue Apr  6 23:32:57 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:32:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040406171814.01988ae0@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOEOGCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Good for you. Personally, I prefer XLIIS to XLII. And for me nothing beats a
good metal. It is sad, but cassette technology is fading away ...

CR7 has automatic recording azymuth and a manual playback azymuth.

STASIS amps were pretty good. You can still get a good deal on SR-3 or TA-4
receivers which incorporated STASIS.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:23 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello


I just pitched tons of tapes, most of which had been replaced, were in
terrible shape, or just nothing I'd listen too again.  Luckily I had the
foresight to hold onto all the metals and XLIIS.  Unfortunately, I pitched
all the regular XLII.

One nice thing I've noticed is that you can get just about any used,
pre-recorded tape for about $1 these days.  A great option for an album you
aren't %100 sold on.

Does the CR-7 have manual az?  Those seem to be a little cheaper than the
DRAGONs, although, there always seem to be far more DRAGONS for sale on
ebay.

Was looking for some of the old STASIS amps, man those things have
certainly held their value!

At 04:11 PM 4/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Derrick - metals and high quality type II's are already relatively
difficult
>to get. You may still be able to come by TDK MA, but these are not the way
>they used to be. I have seen many people stocking up on Maxell XL-II's, and
>TDK SA-X's. If you find tapes you like, get them.
>
>As far as NAAC, Dragon is the only deck that has it available (I am not
sure
>about 1000ZXL - but this is IMHO not worth considering in 2004). You have
>decks like DR-1, and Cassette-Deck 1, with manual playback azymuth control
>available. And if you should be using tapes recorded on other decks, this
is
>a great feature.
>
>Stan
>
>P.S. - academically, the only other deck that comes to mind with Auto
>Azimuth, was Marantz model from mid 80's with MAAC ...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:03 PM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: [naktalk] Hello
>
>
>After an increasing number of my CD-Rs have been failing over the years,
>and the untimely death of my Philips component CD-R recorder, I hooked up
>the old CR-2 to the main system once again.  I once again have a tape deck
>in my car and will be doing lots of LP taping, much less of a hassle then
>recording them onto the computer and burning them to CD.
>
>Two questions.
>1. Are metal tapes and high quality Type II tapes like the XLIIS
>extinct?  Can't find any metal tapes and XLIIS are "limited quantities".
>
>2. While I've been very happy with my CR-2 over the years, I'd like to pick
>up a "NAAC" deck, especially for my collection of live tapes which have
>come from hundreds of different decks.  Which decks have this feature, and
>is the quality increase significant? I used to record my shows to computer,
>run some NR over them, and then burn them, but I just don't have the time
>anymore.
>
>Thanks!
>
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>
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Tue Apr  6 23:51:38 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:51:38 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
Message-ID: <15a.31d1846f.2da4806a@aol.com>

I'd recommend the CR7 which I happen to have for playing back all those 
tapes. This feature really makes almost any tape sound good no matter where it was 
recorded. Also, I've been using Xll-S and am quite happy with the results. As 
for all your live tapes do you do any tape trading? ;<)

Regards,
Anthony

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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Tue Apr  6 23:53:03 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:53:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
References: <200404031300.i33D0YS6026392@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
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Hi Derrick,

Your comments about CD-Rs failing are interesting.  I have quite a few now,
and so far so good with no signs of failing, but maybe it's only a matter of
time.

I prefer tape in the car to CD.  Apart from the risk of damaging CDs, I find
the unit in our Volvo 850 (the dedicated unit that came with the car)
temperamental in that it won't play if the weather is cold and sometimes
doesn't want to eject discs.  I believe that some of the Nak car units are
also iffy in cold weather, and maybe there are others as well.  Tape doesn't
suffer from the same problems.

With regard to NAAC, there is only the Dragon where home decks are
concerned.  I have one and can heartily recommend it - it certainly makes a
difference to some tapes.  The Cassette Deck 1, the Dr-1 and the CR-7 all
have manual playback azimuth control, the CR-7 adjustable via the remote.

Regards,
Sinclair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:03 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Hello


> After an increasing number of my CD-Rs have been failing over the years,
> and the untimely death of my Philips component CD-R recorder, I hooked up
> the old CR-2 to the main system once again.  I once again have a tape deck
> in my car and will be doing lots of LP taping, much less of a hassle then
> recording them onto the computer and burning them to CD.
>
> Two questions.
> 1. Are metal tapes and high quality Type II tapes like the XLIIS
> extinct?  Can't find any metal tapes and XLIIS are "limited quantities".
>
> 2. While I've been very happy with my CR-2 over the years, I'd like to
pick
> up a "NAAC" deck, especially for my collection of live tapes which have
> come from hundreds of different decks.  Which decks have this feature, and
> is the quality increase significant? I used to record my shows to
computer,
> run some NR over them, and then burn them, but I just don't have the time
> anymore.
>
> Thanks!
>
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Wed Apr  7 00:23:11 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:23:11 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] orange cap disease
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From wjw at warwick.net  Wed Apr  7 00:46:08 2004
From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:46:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] orange cap disease
References: <21520135@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <40733330.D7E0C69C@warwick.net>

What exactly are the 'symptoms' of a deck with orange cap disease?  Will it be
noticable in the recording/playback quality?  I think my CR-4A might have it.
Somethings wrong, but I'm not sure what, so I've been using my Cassette Deck 1.  All
the moving parts are OK, the heads and tape path is clean, but the record quality on
my CR-4 seems to have gone downhill.

Fred Lifton wrote:

> Hello all,
> I'm wondering if other vintage japanese gear suffers from orange cap disease. Is
> there a way to visually tell if the caps are bad? I know with a "can" type cap,
> the top bulges when they're blown.
> thanks,
> Fred
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Wed Apr  7 01:53:54 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:53:54 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Grand Cru cables
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Wed Apr  7 01:51:40 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:51:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Tools Needed for Nak Alignments
Message-ID: <4073428C.6070707@verizon.net>

Dariush,

Many, if not all, of the Nakamichi cal tapes are no longer available. In 
most cases, acceptable substitutes can be found from Teac, Sony, or JVC 
calibration tapes. I have both Nakamichi and Teac cal tapes. The Teac 
cal tapes can be found at www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html. You can 
email Ofelia Hernandez -> ohernandez at teac.com -> for pricing and 
ordering. You'll need the following tapes:

1. Azimuth tape - Nakamichi specifies a 15kHz azimuth tape. Teac makes 
several azimuth tapes, none of which are 15kHz. Any 10kHz or better 
azimuth tape will be perfectly fine for a Nak. I use the Teac MTT-114NBL 
14kHz azimuth tape. The MTT-114N, 10kHz is also acceptable.

2. You'll need a Playback Level tape - 400Hz. Nakamichi specifies the 
DA9005 400Hz tape, very hard to find. You can use any Dolby Level tape 
(Teac MTT-150 is what I use), however, the reference fluxivity 
measurement is different between Nakamichi and Dolby Level tapes. They 
both are recorded at 200nWb/m fluxivity - but the measurement standards 
are different. Nakamichi uses the IEC/DIN reference, and Dolby Level 
tapes all use the ANSI reference. 200nWb/m Ansi is equivalent to 
225nWb/m IEC/DIN, which means you'll need to adjust the playback level 
for +0.83dB if you're using a Dolby Level tape. For a 90mV playback 
level (682ZX, ZX-7. ZX-9, etc); you would adjust to 99mV. For the CR-7A 
@ 350mV playback level, you'd adjust to 385mV.

3. You'll need a 3kHz speed tape - I use the Teac MTT-111 (and also have 
a Nak speed tape as well).

4. You'll optionally need a tape for adjusting head height. Nak 
specifies the 1kHz Track Alignment tape, DA9007. I was lucky enough to 
find one. You can also use a low freq azimuth tape - anything at or 
under 1kHz, but you adjust for max output,  not min (as the manual 
specifies).

5. You'll need an o-scope for azimuth - I use a BK Precision 1476. A 
basic 5mHz scope will do. You should be able to pick one up on eBay for 
around $50. Along with that, you'll need a true RMS voltmeter.

6. The service manual is a must have ! There's a guy on eBay selling 
them for around $17 in the cassette deck section.

7. And, maybe the hardest thing to obtain, is an instrument for 
generating 400Hz and 15kHz test tones for meter level calibration (and 
record azimuth alignment on your CR-5A). If you can find one; a 
Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer is perfect, but, they're not easy to find 
and expensive. You can also use a function generator. Or, you can use 
this as an excuse to buy a ZX-7, ZX-9, 582, 582Z, CR-4A, or 682ZX, that 
has these test tones built in and can be used to supply the test tones 
to your CR-5A for this purpose.

8. Finally, if this is something you decided to learn to do; do not be 
afraid to ask for help or advice. Jeffrey (ESLabs) and Stephen Sank have 
spent much generous time giving me pointers when I ran into problems. 
They read this forum; additionally there are other readers here that 
will be more than willing to help.

Mark


From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Apr  7 02:15:59 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:15:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Tools Needed for Nak Alignments
Message-ID: <94cb0b894cc584.94cc58494cb0b8@vsnl.net>

I should add that you better collect atleast 8 -15 nakamichi 3 heads including a Dragon/ CR 7 so that the costs incurred on these rare and expensive alignment tapes / gages- ( He forgot to mention Play head height adjustment gauge/ record head height adjust gauge block / stroke check gauge from Nak if they are available)and test instruments are justifiable!!!!
Kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2004 4:51 pm
Subject: [naktalk] Tools Needed for Nak Alignments

> Dariush,
> 
> Many, if not all, of the Nakamichi cal tapes are no longer 
> available. In 
> most cases, acceptable substitutes can be found from Teac, Sony, 
> or JVC 
> calibration tapes. I have both Nakamichi and Teac cal tapes. The 
> Teac 
> cal tapes can be found at www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html. You 
> can 
> email Ofelia Hernandez -> ohernandez at teac.com -> for pricing and 
> ordering. You'll need the following tapes:
> 
> 1. Azimuth tape - Nakamichi specifies a 15kHz azimuth tape. Teac 
> makes 
> several azimuth tapes, none of which are 15kHz. Any 10kHz or 
> better 
> azimuth tape will be perfectly fine for a Nak. I use the Teac MTT-
> 114NBL 
> 14kHz azimuth tape. The MTT-114N, 10kHz is also acceptable.
> 
> 2. You'll need a Playback Level tape - 400Hz. Nakamichi specifies 
> the 
> DA9005 400Hz tape, very hard to find. You can use any Dolby Level 
> tape 
> (Teac MTT-150 is what I use), however, the reference fluxivity 
> measurement is different between Nakamichi and Dolby Level tapes. 
> They 
> both are recorded at 200nWb/m fluxivity - but the measurement 
> standards 
> are different. Nakamichi uses the IEC/DIN reference, and Dolby 
> Level 
> tapes all use the ANSI reference. 200nWb/m Ansi is equivalent to 
> 225nWb/m IEC/DIN, which means you'll need to adjust the playback 
> level 
> for +0.83dB if you're using a Dolby Level tape. For a 90mV 
> playback 
> level (682ZX, ZX-7. ZX-9, etc); you would adjust to 99mV. For the 
> CR-7A 
> @ 350mV playback level, you'd adjust to 385mV.
> 
> 3. You'll need a 3kHz speed tape - I use the Teac MTT-111 (and 
> also have 
> a Nak speed tape as well).
> 
> 4. You'll optionally need a tape for adjusting head height. Nak 
> specifies the 1kHz Track Alignment tape, DA9007. I was lucky 
> enough to 
> find one. You can also use a low freq azimuth tape - anything at 
> or 
> under 1kHz, but you adjust for max output,  not min (as the manual 
> specifies).
> 
> 5. You'll need an o-scope for azimuth - I use a BK Precision 1476. 
> A 
> basic 5mHz scope will do. You should be able to pick one up on 
> eBay for 
> around $50. Along with that, you'll need a true RMS voltmeter.
> 
> 6. The service manual is a must have ! There's a guy on eBay 
> selling 
> them for around $17 in the cassette deck section.
> 
> 7. And, maybe the hardest thing to obtain, is an instrument for 
> generating 400Hz and 15kHz test tones for meter level calibration 
> (and 
> record azimuth alignment on your CR-5A). If you can find one; a 
> Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer is perfect, but, they're not easy 
> to find 
> and expensive. You can also use a function generator. Or, you can 
> use 
> this as an excuse to buy a ZX-7, ZX-9, 582, 582Z, CR-4A, or 682ZX, 
> that 
> has these test tones built in and can be used to supply the test 
> tones 
> to your CR-5A for this purpose.
> 
> 8. Finally, if this is something you decided to learn to do; do 
> not be 
> afraid to ask for help or advice. Jeffrey (ESLabs) and Stephen 
> Sank have 
> spent much generous time giving me pointers when I ran into 
> problems. 
> They read this forum; additionally there are other readers here 
> that 
> will be more than willing to help.
> 
> Mark
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Apr  7 02:19:42 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:19:42 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] orange cap disease
Message-ID: <94c95ae94c7836.94c783694c95ae@vsnl.net>

Are you able to calibrate using the calibration knob in front? 
I have seen a green cap on CR 3 going bad! Ofcourse we do not see manyof these orange caps on later Naks though.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Wheatley <wjw at warwick.net>
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2004 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] orange cap disease

> What exactly are the 'symptoms' of a deck with orange cap disease? 
> Will it be
> noticable in the recording/playback quality?  I think my CR-4A 
> might have it.
> Somethings wrong, but I'm not sure what, so I've been using my 
> Cassette Deck 1.  All
> the moving parts are OK, the heads and tape path is clean, but the 
> record quality on
> my CR-4 seems to have gone downhill.
> 
> Fred Lifton wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> > I'm wondering if other vintage japanese gear suffers from orange 
> cap disease. Is
> > there a way to visually tell if the caps are bad? I know with a 
> "can" type cap,
> > the top bulges when they're blown.
> > thanks,
> > Fred
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Wed Apr  7 03:48:28 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:48:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naks & Cassettes....
Message-ID: <003901c41c42$8227c440$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Howdy Derek,

I'm curious whether you have a Philips CDR with single or dual tray.  I possess a CDR765 dual tray, which has served me well since 1998.  Still used regulary to trnspose discs to Nak deck & cassettes.  What kind of mobile deck do you use in the auto, I'm curious.

Regarding high quality cassettes, they are becoming more and more scarce.  Doing a google.com search on "Maxell XLIIS, or MX-S" will get you some potential sources to check into.  Alas, the MX/MX-S metals are not really available, except from a sole UK seller.  More likely found on ebay.com sold to the highest bidder.  For XLIIS, there are one or two sources still hiding in virtual warehouses, one of which, if enough are purchased (like 500+), can be had for  ~$0.75 per cassette.  Amazing if one could muster enough collaborators, eh?  Still, one can buy at under $1 each if you buy 100+  Alas, those are the UK manufactured version, some of which are said to be sub-par in quality.  Ever wonder where the ebay.com sellers get their merchandise for resale?  You gotta dig deep into the internet to find the really good deals on overstocks and discontinues!  I agree with Tom and others, you might go after a good classic Nak with manual controls for azimuth and calibration.  Those decks are the ones that are built to last, and can be repaired reasonably.  Fun to use also.

One last comment, I just perused your PSU virtual map library, and that's an impressive piece of work.   Being an old cartographer (studied under Robinson & Morrison, student taught w/ DiBiase at UW Madison during the 1980's), I congratulate you and your staff on a work of art and true informational resource made available to the public at large via the web.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:03 PM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: [naktalk] Hello
>
>
>After an increasing number of my CD-Rs have been failing over the years,
>and the untimely death of my Philips component CD-R recorder, I hooked up
>the old CR-2 to the main system once again.  I once again have a tape deck
>in my car and will be doing lots of LP taping, much less of a hassle then
>recording them onto the computer and burning them to CD.
>
>Two questions.
>1. Are metal tapes and high quality Type II tapes like the XLIIS
>extinct?  Can't find any metal tapes and XLIIS are "limited quantities".
>
>2. While I've been very happy with my CR-2 over the years, I'd like to pick
>up a "NAAC" deck, especially for my collection of live tapes which have
>come from hundreds of different decks.  Which decks have this feature, and
>is the quality increase significant? I used to record my shows to computer,
>run some NR over them, and then burn them, but I just don't have the time
>anymore.
>
>Thanks!
>
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed Apr  7 04:40:06 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:40:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 99 ways to improve your hi-fi, Part Three
Message-ID: <5311-40736A06-5069@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

CLEAN HEADS-Even tiny deposits on tape heads produce vast differences in
recorder performance.Tape sheds oxide partices as it passes through
heads and the accmulation prevents the tape from making intimate
contact.it causes loss of highfrequencies,muffled r squealing sounds,or
changes in playing speed.Since head cleaning is so important,virtually
all equipment manufacturers allow quick access to heads,usually through
a removable cover.Apply the reccommended cleaner (which often may be
ordinary rubbing alchocol) on a cotton swab or "q-tip".the cleaner is
applied directly yo the hiny finish of the head.While youre at it remove
any oxide or dirt from any item along the route of the tape(like metal
posts or guides).How often do you clean heads?About every four weeks
should b adequate.it is an easy job that has a significant effect on
sound.Clean the heads more often if you are a heavy tape listener.
DEGAUSSING-If a tape recorder is operated in perfect electrical
balance,its metal parts would never become magnetized.Various
signals-record,playback, and bias-alternate between plus and minus,which
produces a net magnetizing force of zero.But recorders,like most man
made devices ,are far from perfect and unsymmetrical electrical signals
tend to magnetize parts in the transport mechanism.The result is an
increase in noise and hiss in both playback and record.Fortunately,with
a degauseer it is easy to rid a transport of residual magnetism in
moments.The job should be done about once a month.If youre planning to
record an important program,or play back a valuable tape,first degauss
the machne.Otherwise you might cause tape deterioration in both
cases.The principle of the degausser is this:A thick coil of wire draws
heavy current from the a.c. line and converts it into powerfull magnetic
fields.Since the fields alternate sixty times a ecnd,metal molecues on
the transport are jumbled out of their magnetized state.But the
degausser can inflict harm if not used correctly.If you turn it off
while holding it close to the recorder,you coud stop the action at a
critical instant and worsen the condition.The prper technique is
remarkably easy.Start by holding the degausser at least three feet from
the transport and plug it in.Sloowy walk toward the machine and hold the
degausser tip very close to the various heads(dont scratch them).After
severalseconds move over other metal parts,like guides and posts.After
you"ve demagnetized them  sloowly retreat.wait untill you are at least
three feet away before unplugging the degausser. { im not sure how much
of this information still applies to NAKS}

thank you very much,
gerald



From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Wed Apr  7 05:04:28 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 03:04:28 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Tools Needed for Nak Alignments
Message-ID: <21529586@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Wed Apr  7 04:54:59 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:54:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, Stasis
Message-ID: <001601c41c4b$b7e6fcf0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Derrick,

 

Not to beat a dead horse here, since several responses have already been posted, but I have both a CR-7 and a Dragon, and find them both excellent on playback.  A properly functional NAAC mechanism (Dragon) is very hard to beat for playback...particularly if you have a variety of older tapes made on different machines over the years.  The manual Playback Azimuth on the CR-7, DR-1, and Cassette Deck One is great, but you have to take the time to fool with it each time you feed in a different tape type.

 

The Automatic Calibration circuitry for recording on the CR-7 is also a wonderful feature for obtaining the best possible recording quality.

 

I find dubbing from Dragon to CR-7 is extremely good at delivering tape copies with very little loss.....great for archiving those old beat up tapes from your glove compartment!

 

As for Stasis...the TA-4A has a very nice sounding amplifier section.....although when you look inside, the build quality is a little sloppy.  Kannan recently helped me out with a capacitor modification to the treble control circuitry on mine to extend the treble range a bit for my aging ears.  It plays wonderfully.!!! Kannan spoke highly of the TA-3A also...and they are generally going to go for a little less on ebay.  I have never listened to Nak separates, but the PA-5 and PA-7 power amps seem to command fairly high prices on ebay.  If memory serves me, some posts over the past year or so were critical of the build quality of some of the later Nak preamps, but favorable to the earlier 410.

 

Robert Kent

 

----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:23 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello

 

Does the CR-7 have manual az?  Those seem to be a little cheaper than the
DRAGONs, although, there always seem to be far more DRAGONS for sale on
ebay.

Was looking for some of the old STASIS amps, man those things have
certainly held their value!
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Apr  7 03:14:27 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:14:27 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
References: <200404031300.i33D0YS6026392@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <002501c41c3d$ac8b2740$43299bca@aisha>


Hi Derrick, Sinclair,

Very interesting topic !  I thought my CD player has gone bad, i.e. the
laser getting weak, when it first can't read some of previously-fine CD-Rs.
However, lately I noticed that some type of the cheap bulk CD-Rs
consistently fail in less than one year !!  Really annoying.  Derrick, may I
know what brand that you found faulty ?

I remember there's a review of various CD-Rs which put less 'stress' on
laser eye (upon read), but can't recall if there's any test of real life
shelf time.

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Sinclair Forrest
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello


Hi Derrick,

Your comments about CD-Rs failing are interesting.  I have quite a few now,
and so far so good with no signs of failing, but maybe it's only a matter of
time.

I prefer tape in the car to CD.  Apart from the risk of damaging CDs, I find
the unit in our Volvo 850 (the dedicated unit that came with the car)
temperamental in that it won't play if the weather is cold and sometimes
doesn't want to eject discs.  I believe that some of the Nak car units are
also iffy in cold weather, and maybe there are others as well.  Tape doesn't
suffer from the same problems.

With regard to NAAC, there is only the Dragon where home decks are
concerned.  I have one and can heartily recommend it - it certainly makes a
difference to some tapes.  The Cassette Deck 1, the Dr-1 and the CR-7 all
have manual playback azimuth control, the CR-7 adjustable via the remote.

Regards,
Sinclair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:03 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Hello


> After an increasing number of my CD-Rs have been failing over the years,
> and the untimely death of my Philips component CD-R recorder, I hooked up
> the old CR-2 to the main system once again.  I once again have a tape deck




From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  7 11:23:58 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:23:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, Stasis
Message-ID: <BAY2-F37PO7FZ7231TB0004ef7c@hotmail.com>

Bob:

Back in the day...I purchased both PA-7 and CA-7 (remote) amps....after 
awhile I realized that beautiful as they were the sound quality left 
something to desire...I traded both for Audio Research gear and never looked 
back...the ARC was so superior in every way!

I did however keep my RX-505 and ST-7 Tuner.


>From: <rjkent at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <Naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, Stasis
>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:54:59 -0700
>
>Hi Derrick,
>
>
>
>Not to beat a dead horse here, since several responses have already been 
>posted, but I have both a CR-7 and a Dragon, and find them both excellent 
>on playback.  A properly functional NAAC mechanism (Dragon) is very hard to 
>beat for playback...particularly if you have a variety of older tapes made 
>on different machines over the years.  The manual Playback Azimuth on the 
>CR-7, DR-1, and Cassette Deck One is great, but you have to take the time 
>to fool with it each time you feed in a different tape type.
>
>
>
>The Automatic Calibration circuitry for recording on the CR-7 is also a 
>wonderful feature for obtaining the best possible recording quality.
>
>
>
>I find dubbing from Dragon to CR-7 is extremely good at delivering tape 
>copies with very little loss.....great for archiving those old beat up 
>tapes from your glove compartment!
>
>
>
>As for Stasis...the TA-4A has a very nice sounding amplifier 
>section.....although when you look inside, the build quality is a little 
>sloppy.  Kannan recently helped me out with a capacitor modification to the 
>treble control circuitry on mine to extend the treble range a bit for my 
>aging ears.  It plays wonderfully.!!! Kannan spoke highly of the TA-3A 
>also...and they are generally going to go for a little less on ebay.  I 
>have never listened to Nak separates, but the PA-5 and PA-7 power amps seem 
>to command fairly high prices on ebay.  If memory serves me, some posts 
>over the past year or so were critical of the build quality of some of the 
>later Nak preamps, but favorable to the earlier 410.
>
>
>
>Robert Kent
>
>
>
>----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:23 PM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello
>
>
>
>Does the CR-7 have manual az?  Those seem to be a little cheaper than the
>DRAGONs, although, there always seem to be far more DRAGONS for sale on
>ebay.
>
>Was looking for some of the old STASIS amps, man those things have
>certainly held their value!
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Apr  7 14:56:48 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:56:48 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, Stasis
References: <BAY2-F37PO7FZ7231TB0004ef7c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c41c9f$ca3ba1e0$cd299bca@aisha>


Neil,

Just curious, was your ARC a tube amp ?  If so, what other SS amps did you
prefer over Nak's stasis PA5/7 ?  If not, could you please tell me a bit
what area of this ARC solid state amp that was superior ?

In subjectively comparing PA7 with old Adcom, Rotel, B&K, Bryston and Aragon
SS amps, imho the Nak is somewhat more 'balanced'.  Powerful bass, good HF
extension but not harsh, slightly warm but never dull.  A not-so-fair
comparison of stasis receivers (SR 3/4) leave current crop of Yamaha Denon
AV receivers in the dust ... these SRs are more like audiophile receivers.
I never tried a ReVox or Tandberg receiver though.

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: neil lipes
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon, CR-7, Stasis


Bob:

Back in the day...I purchased both PA-7 and CA-7 (remote) amps....after
awhile I realized that beautiful as they were the sound quality left
something to desire...I traded both for Audio Research gear and never looked
back...the ARC was so superior in every way!

I did however keep my RX-505 and ST-7 Tuner.


>From: <rjkent at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: rjkent at comcast.net,        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>naktalk at naks.com




From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Apr  7 15:25:30 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:25:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <15a.31d1846f.2da4806a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040407092353.01a08e80@psulias.psu.edu>

I wish I could do tape trading, I really enjoyed it, but time is just at a 
premium these days.

At 05:51 PM 4/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I'd recommend the CR7 which I happen to have for playing back all those 
>tapes. This feature really makes almost any tape sound good no matter 
>where it was recorded. Also, I've been using Xll-S and am quite happy with 
>the results. As for all your live tapes do you do any tape trading? ;<)
>
>Regards,
>Anthony
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Apr  7 15:32:13 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:32:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <004a01c41c21$89c27ea0$4e8ee2c3@fredporter>
References: <200404031300.i33D0YS6026392@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040406165636.0197d540@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040407092612.01a3c428@psulias.psu.edu>

It is strange, and it's not just disks made on one machine.  Most of the 
failures are on computer CD-Rs which are now pushing 6-7 years old.  I lost 
some really good shows, pisses me off.  But some were made with the 
aforementioned Philips CD-R recorder, which made very nice recordings. I 
suppose it's possible the Philips machine was having problems before it 
finally became totally inoperative, so the disks wouldn't burn properly. 
I've tried playing them on various machines, and they don't work on any of 
them.


At 10:53 PM 4/6/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Derrick,
>
>Your comments about CD-Rs failing are interesting.  I have quite a few now,
>and so far so good with no signs of failing, but maybe it's only a matter of
>time.
>
>I prefer tape in the car to CD.  Apart from the risk of damaging CDs, I find
>the unit in our Volvo 850 (the dedicated unit that came with the car)
>temperamental in that it won't play if the weather is cold and sometimes
>doesn't want to eject discs.  I believe that some of the Nak car units are
>also iffy in cold weather, and maybe there are others as well.  Tape doesn't
>suffer from the same problems.
>
>With regard to NAAC, there is only the Dragon where home decks are
>concerned.  I have one and can heartily recommend it - it certainly makes a
>difference to some tapes.  The Cassette Deck 1, the Dr-1 and the CR-7 all
>have manual playback azimuth control, the CR-7 adjustable via the remote.
>
>Regards,
>Sinclair



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Apr  7 15:43:13 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:43:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Hello: Tape Trading
Message-ID: <s07421a0.093@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Here's something to blow the cobwebs off the "Naktree" list, but I too
would love to do some tape-trading.  I was just recording a programme
from radio the other evening - Face the Music - on SAfm, and the first
20 minutes was South African blues, which I though Mr Bleus would really
enjoy (just an example).  

I think, orginally, the idea of trading was centred around live music
events, but I haven't any of those.  But any variation on a theme would
be of interest to me!!!!   Including what Jerry was talking about
recording from radio.  I know he was referring at the time to radio
takes for a marathon tape, but I for one would love to have some nice
tapes "off air" for instance from live classical concerts from Britains
famous BBC 3.

Cheers all,

Marc



>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 04/07/04 03:25PM >>>
I wish I could do tape trading, I really enjoyed it, but time is just
at a 
premium these days.

At 05:51 PM 4/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I'd recommend the CR7 which I happen to have for playing back all
those 
>tapes. This feature really makes almost any tape sound good no matter

>where it was recorded. Also, I've been using Xll-S and am quite happy
with 
>the results. As for all your live tapes do you do any tape trading?
;<)
>
>Regards,
>Anthony
>
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Apr  7 15:49:31 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:49:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <002501c41c3d$ac8b2740$43299bca@aisha>
References: <200404031300.i33D0YS6026392@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040406165636.0197d540@psulias.psu.edu>
	<004a01c41c21$89c27ea0$4e8ee2c3@fredporter>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040407094432.01a08500@psulias.psu.edu>

The main culprits for computer CD-R seem to be Imation and the cheap silver 
disks I've got in trades.  The only brand I haven't had any failures with 
is Kodak gold, and some of those are over 5 years old.  The Audio CD-Rs 
have failed at about 1 in 10, mostly Memorex and Imation.  Maxells seem to 
be pretty solid, although not immune.

I should note this is an attrition problem of over 6 years of CD-R burning 
and trading, not a sudden loss.  It is just now getting to the point where 
it seems systemic rather than bad luck.

At 08:14 AM 4/7/2004 +0700, you wrote:

>Hi Derrick, Sinclair,
>
>Very interesting topic !  I thought my CD player has gone bad, i.e. the
>laser getting weak, when it first can't read some of previously-fine CD-Rs.
>However, lately I noticed that some type of the cheap bulk CD-Rs
>consistently fail in less than one year !!  Really annoying.  Derrick, may I
>know what brand that you found faulty ?
>
>I remember there's a review of various CD-Rs which put less 'stress' on
>laser eye (upon read), but can't recall if there's any test of real life
>shelf time.
>
>Salim SM



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Apr  7 16:01:40 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:01:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks & Cassettes....
In-Reply-To: <003901c41c42$8227c440$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040407095114.01a36728@psulias.psu.edu>

Thank you for the compliment, I appreciate it.  It took a lot of work to 
get that baby off the ground, and putting up with a lot of flak from the 
"higher ups" that thought Flash technology would never take off!  It's been 
up for about 4-5 years.  I know Dr. Dibiase in passing, I usually see him 
at conferences and that type of thing, he seems like a nice fellow and has 
really put PSU at the forefront of World-wide GIS education.  GIS and 
Computers have certainly revolutionized cartography, some for the good, 
some for the bad (like %99 of the maps you see on the internet!).


I had the first Philips CD-R, single tray unit.  Can't remember the 
model.  I've had it for about 4 years I'd say.  It did make very nice 
recordings.  Some of the recordings I made off of "audiophile" records 
sound absolutely terrific.  I think I may have hooked into a good tape 
source, I'll let you guys know how it goes. :)

At 08:48 PM 4/6/2004 -0500, KJ Bleus wrote:
>Howdy Derek,
>
>I'm curious whether you have a Philips CDR with single or dual tray.  I 
>possess a CDR765 dual tray, which has served me well since 1998.  Still 
>used regulary to trnspose discs to Nak deck & cassettes.  What kind of 
>mobile deck do you use in the auto, I'm curious.
>
>Regarding high quality cassettes, they are becoming more and more 
>scarce.  Doing a google.com search on "Maxell XLIIS, or MX-S" will get you 
>some potential sources to check into.  Alas, the MX/MX-S metals are not 
>really available, except from a sole UK seller.  More likely found on 
>ebay.com sold to the highest bidder.  For XLIIS, there are one or two 
>sources still hiding in virtual warehouses, one of which, if enough are 
>purchased (like 500+), can be had for  ~$0.75 per cassette.  Amazing if 
>one could muster enough collaborators, eh?  Still, one can buy at under $1 
>each if you buy 100+  Alas, those are the UK manufactured version, some of 
>which are said to be sub-par in quality.  Ever wonder where the ebay.com 
>sellers get their merchandise for resale?  You gotta dig deep into the 
>internet to find the really good deals on overstocks and discontinues!  I 
>agree with Tom and others, you might go after a good classic Nak with 
>manual controls for azimuth and calibration.  Those decks are the ones 
>that are built to last, and can be repaired reasonably.  Fun to use also.
>
>One last comment, I just perused your PSU virtual map library, and that's 
>an impressive piece of work.   Being an old cartographer (studied under 
>Robinson & Morrison, student taught w/ DiBiase at UW Madison during the 
>1980's), I congratulate you and your staff on a work of art and true 
>informational resource made available to the public at large via the web.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bleus de Nakker
>Madison, Wisc USA
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Wed Apr  7 17:09:14 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:09:14 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Hello: Tape Trading
Message-ID: <1ca.1dee9f78.2da5739a@aol.com>

Count me in...

Anthony

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From fast_algorithms at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  7 22:23:27 2004
From: fast_algorithms at yahoo.com (Wai-Sze Tam)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:23:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone
In-Reply-To: <023201c41c18$d0643f00$8d3442cf@steve>
Message-ID: <20040407202327.62746.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

     I am doing some live voice recording at church.
I want to upgrade my microphone so that I can capture
the beautiful sound on my ZX-7.

     Would someone know any good voice-grade
microphone and microphone pre-amplifier ? I currently
connect a Aiwa clip-on microphone to my Sony WDM-6
portable cassette recorder (captures the microphone
sound), and then to my ZX-7.

     I saw a Nakamichi microphone on sale at eBay. I
don't know how good that is compared to today's
products on the market.

     My budget is within $500.

Regards,

Wai-Sze

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From c123666 at comcast.net  Wed Apr  7 23:52:00 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (carl c)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:52:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone
In-Reply-To: <20040407202327.62746.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c41cea$918b3180$1c02a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>

Nakamichi cm300 are good quality microphones, are not very expensive,
and have internal battery power so that is less cabling/complication.
Having said that they sound like solid state/electronic things; good
value for the money but that is it.

Nakamichi 700 mics are a big step up but rather rare...good solid state
mic..

Non Nak values..

Shure has at least one quality condenser mic; sm81??  Audio Technica has
a few in that price range including a tube microphone (might be more
expensive, not sure).  You can get a pair of decent quality condenser
mics from either of these companies.

Used only...much better quality

AKG C460B microphone preamplifiers, various capsules (CK1, CK61, et al)
AKG C451 (original with component capsules, NOT the current units)..use
CK1, CK2 capsules....There are a few others in this range but these are
probably the easiest to find as the price really started going up at
retail for something materially better than these mics.

You might be able to find a pair of the above mics in your price range
if you shop around.  They require phantom powering so keep that in mind.

EBAY is a good source but a better source might be to just find some of
the pro shops with an online presence and make known your budget and
what you wish to accomplish.  You will probably get a few suggestions
and solutions from those people.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Wai-Sze Tam
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:23 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone

Hello,

     I am doing some live voice recording at church.
I want to upgrade my microphone so that I can capture
the beautiful sound on my ZX-7.

     Would someone know any good voice-grade
microphone and microphone pre-amplifier ? I currently
connect a Aiwa clip-on microphone to my Sony WDM-6
portable cassette recorder (captures the microphone
sound), and then to my ZX-7.

     I saw a Nakamichi microphone on sale at eBay. I
don't know how good that is compared to today's
products on the market.

     My budget is within $500.

Regards,

Wai-Sze

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From c123666 at comcast.net  Wed Apr  7 23:53:32 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (carl c)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:53:32 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone
In-Reply-To: <20040407202327.62746.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c41cea$c7ff9f80$1c02a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>

The only thing I know about microphone preamps for the ZX7 is the
Nakamichi unit.  I used one and found it rather noisey; perhaps it
required servicing.  A little shopping can find much better units out
there than the Nak.


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Wai-Sze Tam
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:23 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone

Hello,

     I am doing some live voice recording at church.
I want to upgrade my microphone so that I can capture
the beautiful sound on my ZX-7.

     Would someone know any good voice-grade
microphone and microphone pre-amplifier ? I currently
connect a Aiwa clip-on microphone to my Sony WDM-6
portable cassette recorder (captures the microphone
sound), and then to my ZX-7.

     I saw a Nakamichi microphone on sale at eBay. I
don't know how good that is compared to today's
products on the market.

     My budget is within $500.

Regards,

Wai-Sze

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Apr  8 00:21:51 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:21:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone
In-Reply-To: <20040407202327.62746.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c41cee$b9b8b2a0$14994c51@oemcomputer>

Recommended you search through the archive for messages regarding
microphones - Stephen Sank is something of an expert in that field and has
previously offered advice on what to use.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Wai-Sze Tam
> Sent: 07 April 2004 21:23
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone
>
>
> Hello,
>
>      I am doing some live voice recording at church.
> I want to upgrade my microphone so that I can capture
> the beautiful sound on my ZX-7.
>
>      Would someone know any good voice-grade
> microphone and microphone pre-amplifier ? I currently
> connect a Aiwa clip-on microphone to my Sony WDM-6
> portable cassette recorder (captures the microphone
> sound), and then to my ZX-7.
>
>      I saw a Nakamichi microphone on sale at eBay. I
> don't know how good that is compared to today's
> products on the market.
>
>      My budget is within $500.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wai-Sze
>
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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Thu Apr  8 00:33:09 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:33:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
References: <200404031300.i33D0YS6026392@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com><5.1.0.14.2.20040406165636.0197d540@psulias.psu.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040407092612.01a3c428@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <004601c41cf0$4ea34c30$3a8ee2c3@fredporter>

Mine have been made on a Pioneer PDR-509 using mostly TDK discs, a few of
Pioneer's own and one Sony.  I date my recordings so I can keep an eye on
how long they last before any problems manifest themselves.  Having only
recently acquired a computer CD writer, it's too early to draw conclusions
about discs made on it.

It will also be interesting to see how DVD recordable discs last.  I'm using
the Philips +R/RW system, about which I have few complaints.  The discs have
reached a price point where they are now cheaper than video tape.

Sinclair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello


> It is strange, and it's not just disks made on one machine.  Most of the
> failures are on computer CD-Rs which are now pushing 6-7 years old.  I
lost
> some really good shows, pisses me off.  But some were made with the
> aforementioned Philips CD-R recorder, which made very nice recordings. I
> suppose it's possible the Philips machine was having problems before it
> finally became totally inoperative, so the disks wouldn't burn properly.
> I've tried playing them on various machines, and they don't work on any of
> them.
>
>
> At 10:53 PM 4/6/2004 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hi Derrick,
> >
> >Your comments about CD-Rs failing are interesting.  I have quite a few
now,
> >and so far so good with no signs of failing, but maybe it's only a matter
of
> >time.
> >
> >I prefer tape in the car to CD.  Apart from the risk of damaging CDs, I
find
> >the unit in our Volvo 850 (the dedicated unit that came with the car)
> >temperamental in that it won't play if the weather is cold and sometimes
> >doesn't want to eject discs.  I believe that some of the Nak car units
are
> >also iffy in cold weather, and maybe there are others as well.  Tape
doesn't
> >suffer from the same problems.
> >
> >With regard to NAAC, there is only the Dragon where home decks are
> >concerned.  I have one and can heartily recommend it - it certainly makes
a
> >difference to some tapes.  The Cassette Deck 1, the Dr-1 and the CR-7 all
> >have manual playback azimuth control, the CR-7 adjustable via the remote.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Sinclair
>
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  8 00:41:45 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:41:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Microphone
In-Reply-To: <00c701c41cea$c7ff9f80$1c02a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>
Message-ID: <20040407224145.6260.qmail@web80809.mail.yahoo.com>

I have used Audio Technica AT822 with very good results. The mic's output goes a Sony Walkman pro WM-D6C's mic input (acts as a mic pre amp.) The output from Sony goes to an effect engine (TC Electronic M300) and the out put from the engine goes to my Nak CR-5 or CR-3. The output of AT822 is not high enough for either the Naks or for the engine. This arrangement should work with ZX-7. Link to AT822:
 
http://www.audio-technica.com/prodpro/profiles/AT822.html
 
This mic is a stereo cardioid type design with frequency response of 30Hz-20kHz. You can find the mic in many outlets. Price around $300.
 
Good luck!
 
Regards,
Dariush.
 

Hello,

I am doing some live voice recording at church.
I want to upgrade my microphone so that I can capture
the beautiful sound on my ZX-7.

Would someone know any good voice-grade
microphone and microphone pre-amplifier ? I currently
connect a Aiwa clip-on microphone to my Sony WDM-6
portable cassette recorder (captures the microphone
sound), and then to my ZX-7.

I saw a Nakamichi microphone on sale at eBay. I
don't know how good that is compared to today's
products on the market.

My budget is within $500.

Regards,

Wai-Sze

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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Apr  8 00:46:35 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:46:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <004601c41cf0$4ea34c30$3a8ee2c3@fredporter>
Message-ID: <000001c41cf2$2e1359e0$4073893e@oemcomputer>

I don't mean to sound smug about CDs and DVDs but I'm playing vinyl and
shellac that's as old or older than me, and I'm 48 ... so much for the
indestructible new formats, eh?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Sinclair Forrest
> Sent: 07 April 2004 23:33
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello
>
>
> Mine have been made on a Pioneer PDR-509 using mostly TDK discs, a few of
> Pioneer's own and one Sony.  I date my recordings so I can keep an eye on
> how long they last before any problems manifest themselves.  Having only
> recently acquired a computer CD writer, it's too early to draw conclusions
> about discs made on it.
>
> It will also be interesting to see how DVD recordable discs last.
>  I'm using
> the Philips +R/RW system, about which I have few complaints.  The
> discs have
> reached a price point where they are now cheaper than video tape.
>
> Sinclair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello
>
>
> > It is strange, and it's not just disks made on one machine.  Most of the
> > failures are on computer CD-Rs which are now pushing 6-7 years old.  I
> lost
> > some really good shows, pisses me off.  But some were made with the
> > aforementioned Philips CD-R recorder, which made very nice recordings. I
> > suppose it's possible the Philips machine was having problems before it
> > finally became totally inoperative, so the disks wouldn't burn properly.
> > I've tried playing them on various machines, and they don't
> work on any of
> > them.
> >
>
>
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Thu Apr  8 00:51:00 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:51:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Alignment Tools
Message-ID: <407485D4.1060108@verizon.net>

A couple of points here folks,

1. The mentioned "gauges" - ie. Tilt Check Gauge, Stroke Check Gauge,
RCD Mounting Gauge, Tape Travelling Cassette Gauge are not needed nor
mentioned in any part of the Electrical Alignment Procedures in any of
my Nak Service Manuals. These particular tools are hard to come by and
cost some premium $$. They are typically only needed for
disassembly/head replacement. I had assumed this was beyond the scope of
most casual Nak enthusiasts with regard to alignments.
2. PB Head Height - at least in the electrical alignment is adjusted
using the Nak 1kHz Track Alignment tape DA09007. It can also be adjusted
using a 1kHz or lower azimuth tape and adjusting for max output.
Finally, Teac makes a head height adjustment cal cassette they say is
the same in functionality and purpose to the DA09007 cassette. I do not
remember the part #. And RCD Head Height is adjusted by applying a 400Hz
tone in RCD mode and adjusting the height for max output.
3. Justify the costs: I have 3 Naks - the 682ZX, ZX-7, and CR-7A. A
typical alignment costs $125-150 per deck. That's a minimum of $375.
But, wait there's shipping costs - probably around $40-50 per deck for
both ways. So, if you pay to align on a yearly basis - I would be
pushing the $500 mark for all 3 of my decks. Since I have an electronics
and process control background, I can spend that $500 one time on a set
of cal tapes, service manuals, and test equipment to do my own
alignments.
4. Despite my justification in #3 above, the truth is I've been
fascinated by tape decks since I first saw my stepfather's AKAI
reel-reel more than 23 years ago. I enjoy working on my Naks - and
particularly enjoy being able to record a tape on any one of the 3 and
being able to enjoy perfect playback of that same tape on the other 2.
5. The one caveat I failed to mention is - Be prepared to make mistakes.
It will happen. And you'll either have to fix it or pay to have it
fixed. That's the risk part.
6. I do believe its important to align the decks on a yearly or every 2
year basis. Most purchased decks off of eBay or wherever need to be
aligned (unless the ad specifically says so). You'll definately hear a
difference in sound quality.

Mark




From BADANTH at aol.com  Thu Apr  8 01:00:56 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:00:56 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
Message-ID: <1c4.175b0a81.2da5e228@aol.com>

HAHAHA!!! ;<) I'm with you on the format thing. I've got just about all of my 
music on  "Vintage Media"... 

Anthony

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From sharpei at verizon.net  Thu Apr  8 01:40:24 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:40:24 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Tape Trading
Message-ID: <40749168.3010607@verizon.net>

I too, would be interested in doing a bit of tape trading. Everything I 
have is on excellent condition vinyl:
I have the following:
- The Alan Parsons Project - all albums with the exception of "Eve"
- The Moody Blues - 8 of their first 9 albums
- a couple of albums of Gerry Rafferty (City to City, Night Owl, and 
Sleepwalking), Procul Harum, and Barclay James Harvest

I would be interested in trading tapes for some other early progressive 
rock - maybe something like King Crimson, Emerson Lake & Palmer; 
something in that genre.

And I also have a few Gordon Lightfoot albums (I know, you're laughing !).

Mark


From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Apr  8 03:02:40 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:02:40 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
References: <000001c41cf2$2e1359e0$4073893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004301c41d05$33f12460$31299bca@aisha>


Just try to back up your data or marathon tape on that shellacs ... =)

Seriously, tape dropouts now seems reasonable compared to these CD-Rs, even
30 yr old maxell still delivers (esp on an L100 =).  I use TDK discs for
data, pushing 8yrs and still reading fine - maybe because of the 1x burn
speed, but I wonder about the integrity of its content.  This 40x speed
recording is just too good to be true !

To be fair, CD pressings seem to last longer, so far I only have 1 or 2 that
are faulty (flaky surface / corrosion ?).

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Gimli
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 5:46 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello


I don't mean to sound smug about CDs and DVDs but I'm playing vinyl and
shellac that's as old or older than me, and I'm 48 ... so much for the
indestructible new formats, eh?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Sinclair Forrest
> Sent: 07 April 2004 23:33
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello
>
>
> Mine have been made on a Pioneer PDR-509 using mostly TDK discs, a few of
> Pioneer's own and one Sony.  I date my recordings so I can keep an eye on
> how long they last before any problems manifest themselves.  Having only
> recently acquired a computer CD writer, it's too early to draw conclusions
> about discs made on it.
>




From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu Apr  8 04:48:52 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:48:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R 
Message-ID: <000a01c41d14$06ea3420$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Neil, Salim, Marc, Gra, Anthony, Derrick, Sinclair,

I have been comparing my TA-4A with some vintage Yamaha (A-760 Int.  & a newer  AX-596 Int.), vintage Luxman (TP-117 Pre & M-117 Power), and current B&K (AVR-507, Ref 30 & 125.x).  I find the TA-4A holds up very well in comparison with the B&K (it is ever so slightly warmer), and very favorably with my old Yamaha gear (the A-760 is a little under powered....so not a fair comparison perhaps).
I am very happy with the TA-4A, and plan to hang on to it for good long time.  In fact, I have been considering adding a surround decoder/amp or decoder and amp to it for rear, center and sub capability to bring it into the current decade.
On a different string subject, I have a little weekend place in Pacific Grove, Ca. (near Monterey), and have found the FM availability down there to be quite good in variety and signal strength, so I have been trying out different tuners and receivers.  I haven't tried the TA-4A there yet, but I have a Yamaha T-760 (matching my amp), and it suffers a bit as to features, stereo sep. and signal lock.  I have tried a Yamaha T-950, and it is very good......very nice sounding, good stereo discrimination and signal lock.  I have a Luxman T-117 on the way, and am looking forward to comparing it with the newer Yamaha.  Once I get the best tuner in place, I am hoping to start doing some off air recording with one of my Naks. 
Lastly, I am not at all happy to hear about CD-R failures.  I still haven't recovered from the fact that my collection of Laserdiscs is dying a slow death from disc rot.  With them you can actually see the deterioration of the foil layer within the disk.  It shows up as little spots scattered all over the disks, and an accompanying loss of signal.  If this problem turns out to be widespread with CD-Rs and DVD-Rs, it may postpone the death of the cassette format?  I for one will be very happy that I generally make tapes of all of my CD compilations.

Robert Kent
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Thu Apr  8 05:03:42 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:03:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R 
In-Reply-To: <000a01c41d14$06ea3420$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEPBCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

I remember my experiences with TA-2A and TA-4A receivers while shopping for
new gear in 1989. I was comparing TA-4A to Adcom 545/500 (Amp/Tuner-PreAmp)
Combo, and TA-2A to Adcom 535/500. In both cases I prefered the sound of
Nakamchi gear.

I remember at the time I already had very sweet sounding, yet even more
inefficient Magnepan speakers, and these [Adcom and Nakamichi] were the
least expensive "high current" units that could drive them. I do not know
the numbers, but relatively more expensive recivers from Denon or Yamaha,
with twice the power rating of Nakamichi, simply did not have enough current
to drive these speakers.

At the end I settled for TA-2A, [TA-4A was better, but twice the cost] and,
sound-wise, it served me very well for several years. Now I use its tuner
section with my bedroom gear. It is a very decent tuner. As far as tuners
go, I found that the antena makes a huge difference. My Yamaha 992 receiver
is hooked up to a large external antena, and it seems to make the 992 the
best sounding tuner in the house.

Stan
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of rjkent at comcast.net
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:49 PM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R


  Neil, Salim, Marc, Gra, Anthony, Derrick, Sinclair,

  I have been comparing my TA-4A with some vintage Yamaha (A-760 Int.  & a
newer  AX-596 Int.), vintage Luxman (TP-117 Pre & M-117 Power), and current
B&K (AVR-507, Ref 30 & 125.x).  I find the TA-4A holds up very well in
comparison with the B&K (it is ever so slightly warmer), and very favorably
with my old Yamaha gear (the A-760 is a little under powered....so not a
fair comparison perhaps).
  I am very happy with the TA-4A, and plan to hang on to it for good long
time.  In fact, I have been considering adding a surround decoder/amp or
decoder and amp to it for rear, center and sub capability to bring it into
the current decade.
  On a different string subject, I have a little weekend place in Pacific
Grove, Ca. (near Monterey), and have found the FM availability down there to
be quite good in variety and signal strength, so I have been trying out
different tuners and receivers.  I haven't tried the TA-4A there yet, but I
have a Yamaha T-760 (matching my amp), and it suffers a bit as to features,
stereo sep. and signal lock.  I have tried a Yamaha T-950, and it is very
good......very nice sounding, good stereo discrimination and signal lock.  I
have a Luxman T-117 on the way, and am looking forward to comparing it with
the newer Yamaha.  Once I get the best tuner in place, I am hoping to start
doing some off air recording with one of my Naks.
  Lastly, I am not at all happy to hear about CD-R failures.  I still
haven't recovered from the fact that my collection of Laserdiscs is dying a
slow death from disc rot.  With them you can actually see the deterioration
of the foil layer within the disk.  It shows up as little spots scattered
all over the disks, and an accompanying loss of signal.  If this problem
turns out to be widespread with CD-Rs and DVD-Rs, it may postpone the death
of the cassette format?  I for one will be very happy that I generally make
tapes of all of my CD compilations.

  Robert Kent
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From mdunn at cantares.on.ca  Thu Apr  8 05:30:17 2004
From: mdunn at cantares.on.ca (Michael Dunn)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:30:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
In-Reply-To: <000a01c41d14$06ea3420$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
References: <000a01c41d14$06ea3420$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <a05100301bc9a75a95cb6@[192.168.2.142]>

    At 7:48 PM -0700 2004/4/7, <rjkent at comcast.net> wrote:
>Lastly, I am not at all happy to hear about CD-R failures.  I still 
>haven't recovered from the fact that my collection of Laserdiscs is 
>dying a slow death from disc rot.  With them you can actually see 
>the deterioration of the foil layer within the disk.  It shows up as 
>little spots scattered all over the disks, and an accompanying loss 
>of signal.  If this problem turns out to be widespread with CD-Rs 
>and DVD-Rs, it may postpone the death of the cassette format?  I for 
>one will be very happy that I generally make tapes of all of my CD 
>compilations.

    Pressed CDs are prone to this to varying degrees.  I've seen some 
that are very bad.  High humidity probably makes things worse.  My 
own collection is fine though.

    CD-Rs should actually be MORE durable.  Unfortunately, good 
quality CD-Rs are virtually unavailable now since Kodak dropped out. 
Mitsui is the only remaining quality manufacturer, and they're almost 
impossible to find.  They probably also make the best DVDs, not that 
I've tried them.

    On a commercial note, I do have a large collection of Kodaks I am 
willing to partly liquidate.  I have 80min silver/gold discs that I 
would let go for, say, U$3ea.  I have a smaller number of pure gold 
74min discs that I could sell for U$5ea.  Write me directly if 
interested...


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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Apr  8 05:47:20 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:47:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 99 ways to improve your hi-fi
Message-ID: <15385-4074CB48-896@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

TAPE SPEED-absolute speed accuracy is not critical in much home
recording.Since the same error affects both playback and recording,there
may be no audible difference.Long term changes in recorder speed however
can make early recordings made on the machine sound too slow on
playback.If taps from another machine are played,the speed error may
also introduce annoying differences.Most disturbing of all is the
attempt to play commercially recorded material on a machine which is off
speed.Speed problems,usually slowing of the transport with age-generally
point to aging in the drive system.Rubber rollers,clutches,beltsand
other componentswhich mechanically operate the recorder should be
checked for wear and replaced.on some recorders,usually of very low cost
manufacturer,tape speed varies with the amount of tape on the reel.Most
home recorders deliver constant tape speed through a rubber roller which
presses the tape against a turning metal shaft. HEAD ALIGNMENT-it is
impossible to achieve good high frequency responce without careful
headalignment to insure that the head gaps lie at right angles to the
direction of tape movement.Called "azimuth" adjustment ,its escribed in
the service literature for the machine.if loss of highs is severe and
you are sure that the transport is free of foriegn matter,realignment
might be appropriate.One precaution though,you might deteriorate the
quality of tapes recorded earlier on the machine.Yet,if you are
convinced that high frequency loss is excessive,or that you want the
recorder to operate with maxium quality on pre-recorded tapes,then head
realignment is desirable.You should have the instructions provided by
the manufacturer.they show where the adjustments are for vertical height
and azimuth alignment.Head height  should be checked to insure that each
track is fully covered by the heads.Azimuth is adjusted by using a
specially pre-recorded tape.An output or AC voltmeter is used to moniter
the effect of headposition as you do the job.You will be adjusting the
head for maximum responce to the high-frequency test signalrecorded on
the tape.EXCESSIVE HUM-When HUM during playback and record is
objectionable,a common cause is a strong magnetic field induced in the
heads.As with magnetic phono cartridges,tape heads contain a fine coil
of wire that is susceptible to electromagnetic radiation.Two sources are
a power transformer in a nearby amplifier,and the radiation of a
flourescent lamp.Try moving the tape transport awayfrom these sources to
minimize any pickup.Often,a few feet produces satisfactory improvement
Tommorw-final post-wow and flutter,rubber belts 

thank you very much,
gerald



From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Apr  8 09:44:52 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:44:52 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Tape Trading
References: <40749168.3010607@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001901c41d3d$60ec3580$d7bc4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
ive emerson.l.p
works vol2,trilogy, brain salad surgery,
if you want them taping let me know
p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Michelle Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:40 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Tape Trading


> I too, would be interested in doing a bit of tape trading. Everything I
> have is on excellent condition vinyl:
> I have the following:
> - The Alan Parsons Project - all albums with the exception of "Eve"
> - The Moody Blues - 8 of their first 9 albums
> - a couple of albums of Gerry Rafferty (City to City, Night Owl, and
> Sleepwalking), Procul Harum, and Barclay James Harvest
>
> I would be interested in trading tapes for some other early progressive
> rock - maybe something like King Crimson, Emerson Lake & Palmer;
> something in that genre.
>
> And I also have a few Gordon Lightfoot albums (I know, you're laughing !).
>
> Mark
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Apr  8 09:55:35 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:55:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Tape Trading
References: <40749168.3010607@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002001c41d3e$e01cacd0$d7bc4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hey ive 'stars on 45' if anyone wants a copy,dont all rush at once!
p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Michelle Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:40 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Tape Trading


> I too, would be interested in doing a bit of tape trading. Everything I
> have is on excellent condition vinyl:
> I have the following:
> - The Alan Parsons Project - all albums with the exception of "Eve"
> - The Moody Blues - 8 of their first 9 albums
> - a couple of albums of Gerry Rafferty (City to City, Night Owl, and
> Sleepwalking), Procul Harum, and Barclay James Harvest
>
> I would be interested in trading tapes for some other early progressive
> rock - maybe something like King Crimson, Emerson Lake & Palmer;
> something in that genre.
>
> And I also have a few Gordon Lightfoot albums (I know, you're laughing !).
>
> Mark
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Apr  8 10:06:59 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:06:59 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Tape Trading
References: <40749168.3010607@verizon.net>
	<001901c41d3d$60ec3580$d7bc4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <006c01c41d40$7852a0d0$1010a8c0@tg>

Mark,

To laugh or show respect????
Like many other albums "If You could read my mind" and and songs "Cobwebs
and Dust" "Dream Street Rose" being my hits from this Canadian artist who
had it own way with poetic lyrics and melodic tunes...
Tayfur


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From: "p r" <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Tape Trading


> hi
> ive emerson.l.p
> works vol2,trilogy, brain salad surgery,
> if you want them taping let me know
> p
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark & Michelle Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:40 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Tape Trading
>
>
> > I too, would be interested in doing a bit of tape trading. Everything I
> > have is on excellent condition vinyl:
> > I have the following:
> > - The Alan Parsons Project - all albums with the exception of "Eve"
> > - The Moody Blues - 8 of their first 9 albums
> > - a couple of albums of Gerry Rafferty (City to City, Night Owl, and
> > Sleepwalking), Procul Harum, and Barclay James Harvest
> >
> > I would be interested in trading tapes for some other early progressive
> > rock - maybe something like King Crimson, Emerson Lake & Palmer;
> > something in that genre.
> >
> > And I also have a few Gordon Lightfoot albums (I know, you're laughing
!).
> >
> > Mark
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From chaoboy at theriver.com  Thu Apr  8 14:36:08 2004
From: chaoboy at theriver.com (Tyson F Nuss, esq.)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 05:36:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji Cassette Tapes
Message-ID: <a06020403bc9af66295f9@[206.97.60.196]>

(NOTE: in light of recent posts asking where to find metal-bias tapes 
and bemoaning their alleged "scarcity", just thought I'd repost the 
following %^):

FWIW, I clearly recall Fuji FR Metal tapes performing quite well in 
some audio magazine (Stereo Review, IIRC?) group-comparison test of 
cassettes over a decade ago.  That comparo review had my eyes peeled 
for Fuji FR Metals (among other make-models I can't recall now) 
around town, and I finally scored a dozen or so at ~half price when a 
local upscale department store was closing out its AV department.  I 
was not in any way disappointed in those tapes' performance at all, 
myself, and I found the matte-black "corduroy textured" ribbed shell 
design rather aesthetically classy as well (also quite heavy, rigid 
and sturdy! %^).  I see these are still apparently available here and 
there; for instance:

<http://www.adelcom.net/FUJICassetteTape.htm>
<http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/product-1277.htm>

Oh, and also FWIW:
<http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user/wes/W/Info/tapes>


Kind regards,
--
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Webmaster & Mac Guru
http://HTDoctor.com/
mailto:Webmaster at HTDoctor.com
phone:520/629-4491

>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:07:36 -0500
>From: "Mark C. Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
>
>I'm always on the lookout for blank tapes for my 3 Naks. Also like to
>hear what other Nak'ers are using. Quality tape is getting harder and
>harder to find. It appears TDK has discontinued the MA, meaning nobody
>is manufacturing metal bias tapes. Too bad. I think I have 1 TDK MA
>left. I've been using the Fuji Metal FR's which has been a surprising
>tape. The local audio shop here has a bunch of them...


>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:31:35 -0500
>From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
>
>Incidentally, in the 1993 (?) ratings of various tapes; Consumer Reports
>had the TDK SA-X as the top high bias tape with an overall score of 87.
>#2 in the list might surprise some : its the Fuji DR-II; a tape still
>available. In the Metal category there were some surprises as well - in
>order they were:
>Sony Metal ES 94
>Sony Metal Master 93
>TDK MA-XG 93
>Fuji Metal FR 92 (this one surprised me)
>Maxell MX-S 89
>- the TDK MA-X was #7 with a score of 88
>- #8 was the (Realistic) RS Supertape M-IV 86 (another surprise)
>- the venerable TDK MA was #11 with a score of 86
>
>- one other interesting point: Fuji scored #1 in normal bias, #2 in high
>bias, and #4 in metal bias and were rated above average in dropouts.


From chaoboy at theriver.com  Thu Apr  8 15:19:41 2004
From: chaoboy at theriver.com (Tyson F Nuss, esq.)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 06:19:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] More on Fuji cassettes
Message-ID: <a06020404bc9af9694c0c@[206.97.60.196]>

Some more Fuji cassette info...

In my previous (re)post, note the quoted messages stating that in 
Consumer Reports' comparo test, not only was Fuji FR Metal rated 4th 
among metal-bias tapes (type IV, bested only by a single point for 
TDK MA-XG and Sony Metal Master, and the top-rated Sony Metal ES by 
two points), but Fuji DR-II scored 2nd in chrome-bias (type II, 
bested only by TDK SA-X), and had fewer dropouts than average.  Those 
DR-IIs appear plentiful and cheap still (knocking on wood) and even 
the FR-II (apparently the DR-II tape stock loaded into the nicer FR 
Metal shells) is available here and there.

Fuji DR-II 90:
<http://www.outpost.com/product/408754>
<http://www.outpost.com/product/3718416>
Google "fuji dr ii" (include the "quotes") for plenty more sources...

Fuji FR Metal 60, FR-II 90, and DR-II 60/90:
<http://www.adelcom.net/FUJICassetteTape.htm>

Maxell tape-
XLII-90: <http://www.outpost.com/product/1863585>
XLII-60: <http://www.outpost.com/product/1863596>

For those in the UK:
<http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/category-53.htm>

Enjoy!
-- 
Tyson F Nuss
Webmaster & Mac Guru
http://HTDoctor.com/
mailto:Webmaster at HTDoctor.com
phone:520/629-4491


From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Apr  8 15:44:02 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:44:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <000001c41cf2$2e1359e0$4073893e@oemcomputer>
References: <004601c41cf0$4ea34c30$3a8ee2c3@fredporter>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040408094223.01a3f670@psulias.psu.edu>

Ya can't play those in the car though! :)
I've never had any trouble playing a pre-recorded CD, save one British Jimi 
Hendrix CD which seemed to weigh about 2x as much as a regular CD.

At 11:46 PM 4/7/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>I don't mean to sound smug about CDs and DVDs but I'm playing vinyl and
>shellac that's as old or older than me, and I'm 48 ... so much for the
>indestructible new formats, eh?
>
>Gra'



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Apr  8 15:53:38 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:53:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEPBCBAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <000a01c41d14$06ea3420$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040408094724.01a34780@psulias.psu.edu>

I still use my TA-2A amp section (use a different pre).  It's 50 watts 
would out drive other units triple the wattage from Onkyo, Luxman, Yamaha, 
Sony, Denon etc.  Very clean sound at low output too.  With Klipsch 
speakers, I've never had to use anywhere near the max output, and rarely 
even use 1/2 (only when the wife is out of the house).  14 years and still 
going strong.

At 10:03 PM 4/7/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I remember my experiences with TA-2A and TA-4A receivers while shopping 
>for new gear in 1989. I was comparing TA-4A to Adcom 545/500 
>(Amp/Tuner-PreAmp) Combo, and TA-2A to Adcom 535/500. In both cases I 
>prefered the sound of Nakamchi gear.
>
>I remember at the time I already had very sweet sounding, yet even more 
>inefficient Magnepan speakers, and these [Adcom and Nakamichi] were the 
>least expensive "high current" units that could drive them. I do not know 
>the numbers, but relatively more expensive recivers from Denon or Yamaha, 
>with twice the power rating of Nakamichi, simply did not have enough 
>current to drive these speakers.
>
>At the end I settled for TA-2A, [TA-4A was better, but twice the cost] 
>and, sound-wise, it served me very well for several years. Now I use its 
>tuner section with my bedroom gear. It is a very decent tuner. As far as 
>tuners go, I found that the antena makes a huge difference. My Yamaha 992 
>receiver is hooked up to a large external antena, and it seems to make the 
>992 the best sounding tuner in the house.
>
>Stan



From Trevor.Birch at btclick.com  Thu Apr  8 17:49:37 2004
From: Trevor.Birch at btclick.com (Trevor Birch)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:49:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] User Manual (English) for Nakamaichi DR-2
Message-ID: <003001c41d81$194e8720$05828251@BIRCHTLT1>

Can anyone sell me an English User Manual or good photocopy for a DR-2?

Regards Trevor Birch
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Apr  8 21:48:44 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:48:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
References: <000a01c41d14$06ea3420$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
	<a05100301bc9a75a95cb6@[192.168.2.142]>
Message-ID: <000701c41da2$809bad10$58773242@CopyTech>

Taiyo Yuden is the best by far as they were the inventors of the CDR media.
More expensive than others, but in my experience, it worth every penny.
Mitsui is also good.

Carlos

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From: "Michael Dunn" <mdunn at cantares.on.ca>
To: <rjkent at comcast.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:30 PM
Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs


>     At 7:48 PM -0700 2004/4/7, <rjkent at comcast.net> wrote:
> >Lastly, I am not at all happy to hear about CD-R failures.  I still
> >haven't recovered from the fact that my collection of Laserdiscs is
> >dying a slow death from disc rot.  With them you can actually see
> >the deterioration of the foil layer within the disk.  It shows up as
> >little spots scattered all over the disks, and an accompanying loss
> >of signal.  If this problem turns out to be widespread with CD-Rs
> >and DVD-Rs, it may postpone the death of the cassette format?  I for
> >one will be very happy that I generally make tapes of all of my CD
> >compilations.
>
>     Pressed CDs are prone to this to varying degrees.  I've seen some
> that are very bad.  High humidity probably makes things worse.  My
> own collection is fine though.
>
>     CD-Rs should actually be MORE durable.  Unfortunately, good
> quality CD-Rs are virtually unavailable now since Kodak dropped out.
> Mitsui is the only remaining quality manufacturer, and they're almost
> impossible to find.  They probably also make the best DVDs, not that
> I've tried them.
>
>     On a commercial note, I do have a large collection of Kodaks I am
> willing to partly liquidate.  I have 80min silver/gold discs that I
> would let go for, say, U$3ea.  I have a smaller number of pure gold
> 74min discs that I could sell for U$5ea.  Write me directly if
> interested...
>
>
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From bjgrady at pacbell.net  Thu Apr  8 18:45:27 2004
From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (john)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:45:27 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
In-Reply-To: <000701c41da2$809bad10$58773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <200404081646.i38GkrjG002285@mtaw6.prodigy.net>

Actually not expensive as u think. Try:

http://www.american-digital.com/


Cal John.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of El Magnifico
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:49 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs

Taiyo Yuden is the best by far as they were the inventors of the CDR media.
More expensive than others, but in my experience, it worth every penny.
Mitsui is also good.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Dunn" <mdunn at cantares.on.ca>
To: <rjkent at comcast.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:30 PM
Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs


>     At 7:48 PM -0700 2004/4/7, <rjkent at comcast.net> wrote:
> >Lastly, I am not at all happy to hear about CD-R failures.  I still
> >haven't recovered from the fact that my collection of Laserdiscs is
> >dying a slow death from disc rot.  With them you can actually see
> >the deterioration of the foil layer within the disk.  It shows up as
> >little spots scattered all over the disks, and an accompanying loss
> >of signal.  If this problem turns out to be widespread with CD-Rs
> >and DVD-Rs, it may postpone the death of the cassette format?  I for
> >one will be very happy that I generally make tapes of all of my CD
> >compilations.
>
>     Pressed CDs are prone to this to varying degrees.  I've seen some
> that are very bad.  High humidity probably makes things worse.  My
> own collection is fine though.
>
>     CD-Rs should actually be MORE durable.  Unfortunately, good
> quality CD-Rs are virtually unavailable now since Kodak dropped out.
> Mitsui is the only remaining quality manufacturer, and they're almost
> impossible to find.  They probably also make the best DVDs, not that
> I've tried them.
>
>     On a commercial note, I do have a large collection of Kodaks I am
> willing to partly liquidate.  I have 80min silver/gold discs that I
> would let go for, say, U$3ea.  I have a smaller number of pure gold
> 74min discs that I could sell for U$5ea.  Write me directly if
> interested...
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Dunn     | Surround Sound Decoder & Stereo Enhancer
> Cantares         | Self-Amplified Speakers, Test Equipment
> 272 Louisa St.   | Ambisonic Surround Sound CDs and Recording
> Kitchener, Ont.  | (519) 744-9395
> N2H 5M9          | mdunn at cantares.on.ca
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Thu Apr  8 19:02:11 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:02:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
Message-ID: <s0753f54.054@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Derrick!

That's why we have Naks and ReVoxes (and a few other quality decks), so
we can dub them onto cassette tapes and play them on the go.  It is
easier to change out cassettes than CD's (those easily scratched
surfaces) and they don't skip like CD's do.  It's that time of year
again, when the pot holes start swallowing up the VW Beatles!  Keep
Nakin', keep dubin' and Enjoy the Music!

Kent

>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 4/8/04 8:44:02 AM >>>
Ya can't play those in the car though! :)
I've never had any trouble playing a pre-recorded CD, save one British
Jimi 
Hendrix CD which seemed to weigh about 2x as much as a regular CD.

At 11:46 PM 4/7/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>I don't mean to sound smug about CDs and DVDs but I'm playing vinyl
and
>shellac that's as old or older than me, and I'm 48 ... so much for
the
>indestructible new formats, eh?
>
>Gra'

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Apr  8 19:04:50 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:04:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tri-Tracer
In-Reply-To: <200404081646.i38GkrjG002285@mtaw6.prodigy.net>
References: <000701c41da2$809bad10$58773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040408130334.01a11640@psulias.psu.edu>

Does anyone know the specs of the 1000s?  FR, S/N, etc?
Thanks,



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Apr  8 19:12:47 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:12:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
In-Reply-To: <s0753f54.054@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040408130626.019fbe38@psulias.psu.edu>

The one thing that is far superior with CD-R is the ability to totally 
eradicate hiss off tapes and eliminate pops and cracks from LPs.  I used to 
have a "mini-studio" with my computer with a digital soundcard, and a DAC 
(or ADC i guess :) ) hooked up to a tape deck and phono.  Made sweet 
recordings but was kind of time intense.

I did make a tape of Steve Miller G.H. last night using Maxell MX and Dolby 
C.  Sounded very nice on replay.  Of course the car player on has Dolby B 
(forgot about that) so had to play it straight.  Still sounded pretty good.

At 12:02 PM 4/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Derrick!
>
>That's why we have Naks and ReVoxes (and a few other quality decks), so
>we can dub them onto cassette tapes and play them on the go.  It is
>easier to change out cassettes than CD's (those easily scratched
>surfaces) and they don't skip like CD's do.  It's that time of year
>again, when the pot holes start swallowing up the VW Beatles!  Keep
>Nakin', keep dubin' and Enjoy the Music!
>
>Kent



From mdunn at cantares.on.ca  Thu Apr  8 20:36:23 2004
From: mdunn at cantares.on.ca (Michael Dunn)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:36:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
In-Reply-To: <200404081646.i38GkrjG002285@mtaw6.prodigy.net>
References: <200404081646.i38GkrjG002285@mtaw6.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <a05100306bc9b4b6eb04f@[192.168.2.142]>

    At 9:45 AM -0700 2004/4/8, john wrote:
>Actually not expensive as u think. Try:
>
>http://www.american-digital.com/
>
>
>Cal John.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
>Of El Magnifico
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:49 PM
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
>
>Taiyo Yuden is the best by far as they were the inventors of the CDR media.

    So what?  I've discovered nothing about them so far that would 
lead me to believe they're anything great, though probably a lot 
better than the bulk of the garbage being sold these days...

    I'll stick with Kodak & Mitsui.  I value my data and music.

    Sorry for the OT...



From sharpei at verizon.net  Thu Apr  8 23:47:11 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:47:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Emtec and SKC Cassettes
Message-ID: <4075C85F.7050906@verizon.net>

Does anyone have experience with the Emtec Chrome Extra II or Chrome 
Super II cassettes in their Naks ?

Regarding SKC Cassttes, is their a source in the US for them ?

Mark


From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Apr  9 01:17:03 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 00:17:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Emtec and SKC Cassettes
In-Reply-To: <4075C85F.7050906@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000201c41dbf$9a2e4860$3570893e@oemcomputer>

Yes.  I find them excellent and certainly with better made shells than the
European TDK SA's I have been using!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark & Michelle Barrett
> Sent: 08 April 2004 22:47
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Emtec and SKC Cassettes
>
>
> Does anyone have experience with the Emtec Chrome Extra II or Chrome
> Super II cassettes in their Naks ?
>
> Regarding SKC Cassttes, is their a source in the US for them ?
>
> Mark
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Apr  9 01:22:47 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:22:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Tape Trading
Message-ID: <17144-4075DEC7-731@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

hi,i do have the favourite of all time Procal Harem album-the one with
"Simple Sister"-my favourite procal harem cut of all time.It also has
"Conqiustador". I Remember   DEMANDING that my parents buy me the last
Procol harem album -"Grand Hotel"    i still Have it 30 years
later,scratched beyond recognition.My Favourite song on the album was
"bringing home the bacon!" ...favourite  E.L.P. album?-TARKUS! When i
dropped orange sunshine,purple haze or whatever,this was the album we
listened to on my homemade klipsh copies and my dual with the Fischer
Reciever.along with plenty of ATOMIC ROOSTeR!(death walks behind you)!
Best album?-"Sticky Fingers!!!"  wowowowow 1976!High school graduation
and we were TOKIN!!!!

thank you very much,
gerald



From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Apr  9 01:46:19 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 00:46:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Tape Trading
References: <17144-4075DEC7-731@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c41dc3$b0cdc4c0$023b4d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

mothers of invention 'absolutly free' did it for me!,
p

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:22 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Tape Trading


> hi,i do have the favourite of all time Procal Harem album-the one with
> "Simple Sister"-my favourite procal harem cut of all time.It also has
> "Conqiustador". I Remember   DEMANDING that my parents buy me the last
> Procol harem album -"Grand Hotel"    i still Have it 30 years
> later,scratched beyond recognition.My Favourite song on the album was
> "bringing home the bacon!" ...favourite  E.L.P. album?-TARKUS! When i
> dropped orange sunshine,purple haze or whatever,this was the album we
> listened to on my homemade klipsh copies and my dual with the Fischer
> Reciever.along with plenty of ATOMIC ROOSTeR!(death walks behind you)!
> Best album?-"Sticky Fingers!!!"  wowowowow 1976!High school graduation
> and we were TOKIN!!!!
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Apr  9 02:13:18 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:13:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: naktalk-request@naks.com's message of Fri, 9 Apr 2004 02:05:40
	+0200
Message-ID: <17135-4075EA9E-1688@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

Thrashed  VInyl?Ive got an entire collection.all Hendrix oriinally
bought- Monterey,Axis Bold as love,Isle of Wight ,Voodoo Child,even the
post houmous release"Midnight Lightning".Lots of
Zappa-Apostrophe,Overnight Sensation,others i cant remember.

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Apr  9 02:19:13 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:19:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Procol Harum -robin trower?
Message-ID: <17135-4075EC01-1695@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

sorry for too many posts but im away from my library-wasnt it Robin
trower who was lead guitar for Procol Harum? Bridge of Sighs was great

thank you very much,
gerald



From chaoboy at theriver.com  Fri Apr  9 05:03:24 2004
From: chaoboy at theriver.com (Tyson F Nuss, esq.)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:03:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Gold CD-R media
Message-ID: <a06020400bc9bb9936d1a@[206.97.60.196]>

IMHO, the CD-R media definitely worth paying extra for would be, not 
so much brand-specific, but any discs with a pure-gold reflector 
layer (not just "gold" in the name or label color -- check the specs 
before buying!), rather than the aluminum typically used.  A thicker 
or scratch-resistant label-side coating is worthwhile as well.

An appreciation of the layers comprising CD media helps in 
understanding exactly why these properties are desirable.  The bulk 
of the media, the clear polycarbonate plastic disc itself, comprises 
the bottom layer.  On top of that is a whisper-thin data layer (the 
pits and bumps representing 1s and 0s), topped by an also-thin 
reflective layer (typically aluminum) and all sealed against the 
elements by yet another thin layer, this time of lacquer.  Notice all 
those thin layers sitting on one side of the disc?  Surprisingly, the 
"data" side of a disc is the most robust and resistant to damage; 
it's the *label* side that needs the most careful handling and 
protection!

"Disc rot" is most commonly a problem where the aluminum reflective 
layer begins to oxidize, typically because of a scratch or pit on the 
label side, or due to separation or delamination of the label-side 
lacquer or other layers.  That label layer, typically just a thin 
coat of lacquer with some printing ink or textured pseudo-printing, 
is all that protects the reflective and data layers from exposure to 
the elements.

Whilst one can often buff out slight scratches that impede laser 
tracking on the data side of a disc (slightly misleading term, since 
the data is read from that side but actually resides very lightly on 
the opposite, "label" side) and thus restore a disc to full 
readability (or at least well enough to duplicate the data onto fresh 
media right away), a scratch on the label side can be deadly.  If a 
label-side scratch isn't deep enough to scrape away at either the 
reflector or data layers themselves, it at least breaches the lacquer 
seal and allows the aluminum to begin to oxidize, eventually 
rendering the data unreadable.

However, discs which have a pure-gold reflective layer are 
invulnerable to "disc rot", per se, because gold, being an inert 
metal, will not oxidize or corrode, even if the label-side lacquer is 
scratched/breached.  This is the same reason why gold-plated 
cable-connecter contacts are desirable -- not becuase of gold's 
conductive properties, but because of its nonoxidatng, noncorroding 
properties.  Also, any media with a thicker coating of lacquer or 
some other, more robust and scratch-resistant label-side coating can 
help -- better yet if you can find gold-reflector media with robust 
label-side sealant, so not only will the reflector resist rot, you'd 
also run less risk of gouging into the reflector or data layer 
materials themselves.

Happy burning!
-- 
Tyson F Nuss
Webmaster & Mac Guru
http://HTDoctor.com/
mailto:Webmaster at HTDoctor.com
phone:520/629-4491


From wjw at warwick.net  Fri Apr  9 05:19:58 2004
From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:19:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Gold CD-R media
References: <a06020400bc9bb9936d1a@[206.97.60.196]>
Message-ID: <4076165D.57B76831@warwick.net>

So is it a good idea to apply a paper CD label to the label side of the disc
to help protect it, or could the glue on the paper labels also eventually have
an effect on the disc?

"Tyson F Nuss, esq." wrote:

> IMHO, the CD-R media definitely worth paying extra for would be, not
> so much brand-specific, but any discs with a pure-gold reflector
> layer (not just "gold" in the name or label color -- check the specs
> before buying!), rather than the aluminum typically used.  A thicker
> or scratch-resistant label-side coating is worthwhile as well.
>
> An appreciation of the layers comprising CD media helps in
> understanding exactly why these properties are desirable.  The bulk
> of the media, the clear polycarbonate plastic disc itself, comprises
> the bottom layer.  On top of that is a whisper-thin data layer (the
> pits and bumps representing 1s and 0s), topped by an also-thin
> reflective layer (typically aluminum) and all sealed against the
> elements by yet another thin layer, this time of lacquer.  Notice all
> those thin layers sitting on one side of the disc?  Surprisingly, the
> "data" side of a disc is the most robust and resistant to damage;
> it's the *label* side that needs the most careful handling and
> protection!
>
> "Disc rot" is most commonly a problem where the aluminum reflective
> layer begins to oxidize, typically because of a scratch or pit on the
> label side, or due to separation or delamination of the label-side
> lacquer or other layers.  That label layer, typically just a thin
> coat of lacquer with some printing ink or textured pseudo-printing,
> is all that protects the reflective and data layers from exposure to
> the elements.
>
> Whilst one can often buff out slight scratches that impede laser
> tracking on the data side of a disc (slightly misleading term, since
> the data is read from that side but actually resides very lightly on
> the opposite, "label" side) and thus restore a disc to full
> readability (or at least well enough to duplicate the data onto fresh
> media right away), a scratch on the label side can be deadly.  If a
> label-side scratch isn't deep enough to scrape away at either the
> reflector or data layers themselves, it at least breaches the lacquer
> seal and allows the aluminum to begin to oxidize, eventually
> rendering the data unreadable.
>
> However, discs which have a pure-gold reflective layer are
> invulnerable to "disc rot", per se, because gold, being an inert
> metal, will not oxidize or corrode, even if the label-side lacquer is
> scratched/breached.  This is the same reason why gold-plated
> cable-connecter contacts are desirable -- not becuase of gold's
> conductive properties, but because of its nonoxidatng, noncorroding
> properties.  Also, any media with a thicker coating of lacquer or
> some other, more robust and scratch-resistant label-side coating can
> help -- better yet if you can find gold-reflector media with robust
> label-side sealant, so not only will the reflector resist rot, you'd
> also run less risk of gouging into the reflector or data layer
> materials themselves.
>
> Happy burning!
> --
> Tyson F Nuss
> Webmaster & Mac Guru
> http://HTDoctor.com/
> mailto:Webmaster at HTDoctor.com
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Apr  9 08:39:33 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:39:33 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
References: <200404081646.i38GkrjG002285@mtaw6.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <000901c41dfd$8007e930$99773242@CopyTech>

Yes John. I buy them from NRS in Brooklyn.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john" <bjgrady at pacbell.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs


> Actually not expensive as u think. Try:
>
> http://www.american-digital.com/
>
>
> Cal John.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of El Magnifico
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:49 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
>
> Taiyo Yuden is the best by far as they were the inventors of the CDR
media.
> More expensive than others, but in my experience, it worth every penny.
> Mitsui is also good.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Dunn" <mdunn at cantares.on.ca>
> To: <rjkent at comcast.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:30 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
>
>
> >     At 7:48 PM -0700 2004/4/7, <rjkent at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >Lastly, I am not at all happy to hear about CD-R failures.  I still
> > >haven't recovered from the fact that my collection of Laserdiscs is
> > >dying a slow death from disc rot.  With them you can actually see
> > >the deterioration of the foil layer within the disk.  It shows up as
> > >little spots scattered all over the disks, and an accompanying loss
> > >of signal.  If this problem turns out to be widespread with CD-Rs
> > >and DVD-Rs, it may postpone the death of the cassette format?  I for
> > >one will be very happy that I generally make tapes of all of my CD
> > >compilations.
> >
> >     Pressed CDs are prone to this to varying degrees.  I've seen some
> > that are very bad.  High humidity probably makes things worse.  My
> > own collection is fine though.
> >
> >     CD-Rs should actually be MORE durable.  Unfortunately, good
> > quality CD-Rs are virtually unavailable now since Kodak dropped out.
> > Mitsui is the only remaining quality manufacturer, and they're almost
> > impossible to find.  They probably also make the best DVDs, not that
> > I've tried them.
> >
> >     On a commercial note, I do have a large collection of Kodaks I am
> > willing to partly liquidate.  I have 80min silver/gold discs that I
> > would let go for, say, U$3ea.  I have a smaller number of pure gold
> > 74min discs that I could sell for U$5ea.  Write me directly if
> > interested...
> >
> >
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From lists at richardhess.com  Fri Apr  9 05:31:22 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:31:22 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Gold CD-R media
In-Reply-To: <4076165D.57B76831@warwick.net>
References: <a06020400bc9bb9936d1a@[206.97.60.196]>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040408203028.064eb3e0@127.0.0.1>

At 11:19 PM 4/8/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>So is it a good idea to apply a paper CD label to the label side of the disc
>to help protect it, or could the glue on the paper labels also eventually have
>an effect on the disc?

Archival practice is to write just in the center hub and not on the gold 
and definitely do not use paper labels if you're concerned about longevity.

Good luck!

Richard
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/  




From wjw at warwick.net  Fri Apr  9 05:47:13 2004
From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:47:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Gold CD-R media
References: <a06020400bc9bb9936d1a@[206.97.60.196]>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20040408203028.064eb3e0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <40761CC1.18A7AFCE@warwick.net>

Thanks.

"Richard L. Hess" wrote:

> At 11:19 PM 4/8/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >So is it a good idea to apply a paper CD label to the label side of the disc
> >to help protect it, or could the glue on the paper labels also eventually have
> >an effect on the disc?
>
> Archival practice is to write just in the center hub and not on the gold
> and definitely do not use paper labels if you're concerned about longevity.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Richard
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Apr  9 08:50:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:50:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
References: <200404081646.i38GkrjG002285@mtaw6.prodigy.net>
	<a05100306bc9b4b6eb04f@[192.168.2.142]>
Message-ID: <001701c41dfe$e33cd550$99773242@CopyTech>

Well, in my experience, from 1,016 CDR masters we send to Cinram for
duplication, we didn't have any laser/incompatibility with TY. Not so with
the others. Also, TY tends to play anywhere. I used Kodak; their "gold"
cdr's were very good, and I still have about 200's of it. Also, and as I
said: Mitsui is great but we experienced better results with TY.  BASF and
APOGEE were very good master materials also, but we have to remember that
most of these brands are made by another party. At the end, all we cared was
the low percentage of rejects from the pressing plant and TY was always on
the money.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Dunn" <mdunn at cantares.on.ca>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs


>     At 9:45 AM -0700 2004/4/8, john wrote:
> >Actually not expensive as u think. Try:
> >
> >http://www.american-digital.com/
> >
> >
> >Cal John.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf
> >Of El Magnifico
> >Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:49 PM
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
> >
> >Taiyo Yuden is the best by far as they were the inventors of the CDR
media.
>
>     So what?  I've discovered nothing about them so far that would
> lead me to believe they're anything great, though probably a lot
> better than the bulk of the garbage being sold these days...
>
>     I'll stick with Kodak & Mitsui.  I value my data and music.
>
>     Sorry for the OT...
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Fri Apr  9 07:06:39 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 05:06:39 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
Message-ID: <21615134@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  9 12:27:02 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 06:27:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1421shdlml0TD000015a8@hotmail.com>

Fred:

Count me in!

Neil


>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
>Date: 08 Apr 2004 21:48:29 PDT
>
>Hi all,
>thought I'd jump in here. When I have time (which is rarely *sigh*), I've 
>been
>working on a magnum opus of sorts: a mixed tape that traces historically 
>what I
>believe to be the best of American music. I really think that music is the 
>best
>thing our country/culture has to offer the world, so I wanted to make a 
>tape
>that shows the history, breadth and above all amazing talent that American
>musicians have displayed over the years. It will be a two volume set: tape 
>1 for
>"roots" (up to 1960), tape 2 for "modern" (1960-present). The tape will be
>accompanied by a track list with my commentary. I'll post a web-page soon 
>with
>the track list. I figure that, despite the murderous efforts of our current
>administration, probably the best thing Americans can do these days is to 
>reach
>out across our borders and show the world what is good, honorable and true 
>about
>our culture.
>
>Technical stuff: I'll record the tracks on my freshly "Stephen Sanktified" 
>CR3a.
>My sources are CD and vinyl (which I warn you is not always in very good 
>shape),
>played by a B&O TT with an MMC2 cart and a Rotel RCD-855 player running 
>through
>my HK PT-2300 pre. I'll dub copies using either my new Luxman KX-102 or (if 
>it
>actually shows up) a new LX-3. I'll have both these decks serviced by 
>Stephen so
>they should be in good shape to serve for playback. I'm not yet sure what 
>I'll
>be using for media, I need to go tape shopping... So expect decent "mid-fi"
>quality, not Carlos' magic.
>
>Here's what I propose: I'll send the tapes to any Nakker who wants them and 
>who
>agrees to send me some music from their country/culture. It needn't be as
>extensive as what I'm doing, just a good selection. That's it! 
>Realistically,
>I'm probably 2-3 months from completing this project so you have lots of 
>time to
>come up with tracks.
>
>Sorry for the long post, been thinking about this for awhile.
>
>best,
>Fred
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri Apr  9 13:39:10 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 07:39:10 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Procol Harum -robin trower?
Message-ID: <145.2671dec2.2da7e55e@aol.com>

Yes, Robin Trower is correct and don't forget "Too Rolling Stoned" from that 
same "Bridge of Sighs" album.

Anthony

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From chaoboy at theriver.com  Fri Apr  9 14:38:06 2004
From: chaoboy at theriver.com (Tyson F Nuss, esq.)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 05:38:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] "Enhanced" listening picks (Was: Tape Trading)
Message-ID: <a06020402bc9c3a43ad72@[206.97.60.196]>

Heh. I may be giving away my age (or lack thereof %^) here, but my 
choice for "enhanced" listening back in Tha Daye of such 
experimentation was, bar none, Fields of the Nephilim (on CD, by my 
time %^).  I remember one occasion with some friends, sitting in a 
dark room with candles and rapt in the aural spell they weave, 
another friend entered and asked what was up, to which I answered, 
"Oh, just watching the Nephilim..." (followed by bemused assent from 
the rest of the listening audience %^).

Just thinking of their songs now gives me a touch of the same 
goosebump-inducing tingle of pleasure I get from listening to them, 
even to this day (and even sans the aforementioned enhancements %^); 
time and familiarity have not diluted their emotive impact and 
mastery one bit.  It's the kind of music where not only is the work 
brilliantly executed as a whole, but each part of the orchestration 
is compelling and fascinating in itself -- one reviewer characterized 
it as having (paraphrasing) the unmistakable quality of a singularly 
unified vision borne of a bona fide mad genius.  Indeed, I am still 
discovering new layers and nuances after all this time...

Although lumped loosely into the "gothic rock" subgenre, their 
incomparable recordings could more accurately be said to have 
influenced the genre, rather than vice-versa, and IMHO have yet to be 
matched.  Their earliest works, circa the 1987 _Dawnrazor_ album, are 
a bit primitive, and more comparable to early gothic rock standards 
of that era (e.g., Sisters of Mercy), but still with a flavor all 
their own -- imagine the soundtrack to a supernatural spaghetti 
western scripted by H.P. Lovecraft...  Perhaps not to everyone's 
tastes, and the gutteral elocution of these early vocals took a bit 
of getting used to at first.  However, by the time of the 
ground-breaking single "Psychonaut" and subsequent albums _The 
Nephilim_ and _Elizium_, their music had matured (and the still-deep 
vocals had mellowed %^) to a point comparable to their progressive 
rock forebears (e.g., Pink Floyd).

Anyway, enough of my waxing rhapsodic...  If this has piqued your 
interest, I recommend the _Elizium_ album as your first foray; by the 
time you get through "Paradise Regained", the third movement of the 
opening suite, you'll wonder what spirit just moved through you, and 
you may be hooked... %^J

Oh, and I have a couple mp3s (truncated in the interest of Fair Use %^) here:
<http://HTDr.com/x/Nephilim-Psychonaut-clip.mp3> (1.9MB)
<http://HTDr.com/x/Nephilim-The_Watchman-clip.mp3> (1.7MB)
(I recommend downloading each full file first and then listening to 
your local copy, since I can't vouch for my server's ability to 
stream consistently enough for smooth playback %^)

Finally, the official website for Fields of the Nephilim (now revived 
as the vocalist/lyricist's sole project, but with historical info on 
the band's earlier incarnation) is here: 
<http://www.fields-of-the-nephilim.com/> (and the Flash intro 
following the "X.U.L." link is actually worthwhile %^).


Happy listening,
- Tye

>Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 00:46:19 +0100
>From: "p r" <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk>
>
>mothers of invention 'absolutly free' did it for me!,
>p
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:22 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Tape Trading
>
>  > hi,i do have the favourite of all time Procal Harem album-the one with
>  > "Simple Sister"-my favourite procal harem cut of all time.It also has
>  > "Conqiustador". I Remember   DEMANDING that my parents buy me the last
>  > Procol harem album -"Grand Hotel"    i still Have it 30 years
>  > later,scratched beyond recognition.My Favourite song on the album was
>  > "bringing home the bacon!" ...favourite  E.L.P. album?-TARKUS! When i
>  > dropped orange sunshine,purple haze or whatever,this was the album we
>  > listened to on my homemade klipsh copies and my dual with the Fischer
>  > Reciever.along with plenty of ATOMIC ROOSTeR!(death walks behind you)!
>  > Best album?-"Sticky Fingers!!!"  wowowowow 1976!High school graduation
>  > and we were TOKIN!!!!
>  >
>  > thank you very much,
>  > gerald


From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Apr  9 15:14:25 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:14:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Question on cartridge for transfer to tape
Message-ID: <17134-4076A1B1-2956@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>

hi,i want to order a cartridge needle for an old sure cartridge.It says
"V" on it and nothing else. is this the 5?the needle is 100.00
dollars.is it worth it for this cartridge or should i  et a different
one?my budget is just about 100.00,so if anyone has a mint used one they
wanna get rid of ,or can reccommend one,i would sure appreciate that,as
i"m trying to get my phillips 212  together for the maraton tape  and
the deadline is the end of this month.

thank you very much,
gerald



From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Apr  9 20:24:50 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:24:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
References: <21615134@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <000901c41e5f$f2bf3480$9b773242@CopyTech>

Very good Fred. I'm looking forward to receive a copy of those.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:48 PM
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading


> Hi all,
> thought I'd jump in here. When I have time (which is rarely *sigh*), I've
been
> working on a magnum opus of sorts: a mixed tape that traces historically
what I
> believe to be the best of American music. I really think that music is the
best
> thing our country/culture has to offer the world, so I wanted to make a
tape
> that shows the history, breadth and above all amazing talent that American
> musicians have displayed over the years. It will be a two volume set: tape
1 for
> "roots" (up to 1960), tape 2 for "modern" (1960-present). The tape will be
> accompanied by a track list with my commentary. I'll post a web-page soon
with
> the track list. I figure that, despite the murderous efforts of our
current
> administration, probably the best thing Americans can do these days is to
reach
> out across our borders and show the world what is good, honorable and true
about
> our culture.
>
> Technical stuff: I'll record the tracks on my freshly "Stephen Sanktified"
CR3a.
> My sources are CD and vinyl (which I warn you is not always in very good
shape),
> played by a B&O TT with an MMC2 cart and a Rotel RCD-855 player running
through
> my HK PT-2300 pre. I'll dub copies using either my new Luxman KX-102 or
(if it
> actually shows up) a new LX-3. I'll have both these decks serviced by
Stephen so
> they should be in good shape to serve for playback. I'm not yet sure what
I'll
> be using for media, I need to go tape shopping... So expect decent
"mid-fi"
> quality, not Carlos' magic.
>
> Here's what I propose: I'll send the tapes to any Nakker who wants them
and who
> agrees to send me some music from their country/culture. It needn't be as
> extensive as what I'm doing, just a good selection. That's it!
Realistically,
> I'm probably 2-3 months from completing this project so you have lots of
time to
> come up with tracks.
>
> Sorry for the long post, been thinking about this for awhile.
>
> best,
> Fred
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  9 21:33:17 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:33:17 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Emtec and SKC Cassettes
Message-ID: <BAY9-F2525v7iwpMRCs000776d7@hotmail.com>

The EMTECs are IMHO the best currently produced cassette tapes, especially 
their Reference Maxima series, both chrome and metal - sadly discontinued 
about 18 months or so ago. The Chrome Super are better than the Chrome 
Extra.

George
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Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Subject: Emtec and SKC Cassettes
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:47:11 -0500

Does anyone have experience with the Emtec Chrome Extra II or Chrome Super 
II cassettes in their Naks ?

Regarding SKC Cassttes, is their a source in the US for them ?

Mark
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  9 21:39:43 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:39:43 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
Message-ID: <BAY9-F60zocTiczax3700004656@hotmail.com>

Maybe it's not a coincidence that TY's Thats tapes were quite good as well.

George


----Original Message Follows----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:50:00 -0700

Well, in my experience, from 1,016 CDR masters we send to Cinram for
duplication, we didn't have any laser/incompatibility with TY. Not so with
the others. Also, TY tends to play anywhere. I used Kodak; their "gold"
cdr's were very good, and I still have about 200's of it. Also, and as I
said: Mitsui is great but we experienced better results with TY.  BASF and
APOGEE were very good master materials also, but we have to remember that
most of these brands are made by another party. At the end, all we cared was
the low percentage of rejects from the pressing plant and TY was always on
the money.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Dunn" <mdunn at cantares.on.ca>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs


 >     At 9:45 AM -0700 2004/4/8, john wrote:
 > >Actually not expensive as u think. Try:
 > >
 > >http://www.american-digital.com/
 > >
 > >
 > >Cal John.
 > >
 > >
 > >-----Original Message-----
 > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf
 > >Of El Magnifico
 > >Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:49 PM
 > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
 > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: CD-Rs
 > >
 > >Taiyo Yuden is the best by far as they were the inventors of the CDR
media.
 >
 >     So what?  I've discovered nothing about them so far that would
 > lead me to believe they're anything great, though probably a lot
 > better than the bulk of the garbage being sold these days...
 >
 >     I'll stick with Kodak & Mitsui.  I value my data and music.
 >
 >     Sorry for the OT...
 >
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Apr  9 21:40:52 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:40:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tools Needed for Nak Alignments
Message-ID: <1081329251.3298.19.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-255-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>

A couple of points here folks,

1. The mentioned "gauges" - ie. Tilt Check Gauge, Stroke Check Gauge,
RCD Mounting Gauge, Tape Travelling Cassette Gauge are not needed nor
mentioned in any part of the Electrical Alignment Procedures in any of
my Nak Service Manuals. These particular tools are hard to come by and
cost some premium $$. They are typically only needed for
disassembly/head replacement. I had assumed this was beyond the scope of
most casual Nak enthusiasts. 
2. PB Head Height - at least in the electrical alignment is adjusted
using the Nak 1kHz Track Alignment tape DA09007. It can also be adjusted
using a 1kHz or lower azimuth tape and adjusting for max output.
Finally, Teac makes a head height adjustment cal cassette they say is
the same in functionality and purpose to the DA09007 cassette. I do not
remember the part #. And RCD Head Height is adjusted by applying a 400Hz
tone in RCD mode and adjusting the height for max output.
3. Justify the costs: I have 3 Naks - the 682ZX, ZX-7, and CR-7A. A
typical alignment costs $125-150 per deck. That's a minimum of $375.
But, wait there's shipping costs - probably around $40-50 per deck for
both ways. So, if you pay to align on a yearly basis - I would be
pushing the $500 mark for all 3 of my decks. Since I have an electronics
and process control background, I can spend that $500 one time on a set
of cal tapes, service manuals, and test equipment to do my own
alignments.
4. Despite my justification in #3 above, the truth is I've been
fascinated by tape decks since I first saw my stepfather's AKAI
reel-reel more than 23 years ago. I enjoy working on my Naks - and
particularly enjoy being able to record a tape on any one of the 3 and
being able to enjoy perfect playback of that same tape on the other 2.
5. The one caveat I failed to mention is - Be prepared to make mistakes.
It will happen. And you'll either have to fix it or pay to have it
fixed. That's the risk part.
6. I do believe its important to align the decks on a yearly or every 2
year basis. Most purchased decks off of eBay or wherever need to be
aligned (unless the ad specifically says so). You'll definately hear a
difference in sound quality.

Mark

2. 



From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Apr  9 21:41:05 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:41:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Procol Harum - Robin Trower
In-Reply-To: <200404091000.i39A0ev0002606@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200404091000.i39A0ev0002606@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <1081539651.3297.6.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-248-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>

I dug out one of my Procol Harum albums - "The Best of Procol Harum"
(1972). It does, indeed, list Robin Trower on guitar starting with the
release of "Homburg" in Oct 1967. It does not list him as a member for
their 1st hit - "A Whiter Shade of Pale" (April 1967).

They're an interesting band. Gary Brooker (vocals) also did "Limelight"
for The Alan Parsons Project album "Stereotomy" in 1985. There's no such
thing as a bad APP song; even so, "Limelight" is one of my all-time
favorites.

Mark
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:19:13 -0500
> From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> Subject: [naktalk] Procol Harum -robin trower?
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Message-ID: <17135-4075EC01-1695 at storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
> 
> sorry for too many posts but im away from my library-wasnt it Robin
> trower who was lead guitar for Procol Harum? Bridge of Sighs was great
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald




From bobf at oodg.net  Fri Apr  9 21:15:03 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:15:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040408094724.01a34780@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <200404091913.ASL23819@ms9.netsolmail.com>

Same impact here using my Nakamichi 7 series stack.
PA7A Stasis AMP 
CA7A-II
etc.

Driving Martin Logan Quests.  It drives you out of the house before 
it runs out of power.  But it puts out a tremendous amount of heat so 
if you don't have a fan on it you can trip the thermal overload after 
about a half hour. 

I have been using this since 1984 with only a broken output terminal 
and finally a bad power relay on the PA7 as issues.

Now I am replacing the entire setup with Proceed gear in my theatre.
My Nakamichi will now provide through the house music.  Should sound
nice if I can ever finish things.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 06:54
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R

I still use my TA-2A amp section (use a different pre).  It's 50 watts would
out drive other units triple the wattage from Onkyo, Luxman, Yamaha, Sony,
Denon etc.  Very clean sound at low output too.  With Klipsch speakers, I've
never had to use anywhere near the max output, and rarely even use 1/2 (only
when the wife is out of the house).  14 years and still going strong.

At 10:03 PM 4/7/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I remember my experiences with TA-2A and TA-4A receivers while shopping 
>for new gear in 1989. I was comparing TA-4A to Adcom 545/500
>(Amp/Tuner-PreAmp) Combo, and TA-2A to Adcom 535/500. In both cases I 
>prefered the sound of Nakamchi gear.
>
>I remember at the time I already had very sweet sounding, yet even more 
>inefficient Magnepan speakers, and these [Adcom and Nakamichi] were the 
>least expensive "high current" units that could drive them. I do not 
>know the numbers, but relatively more expensive recivers from Denon or 
>Yamaha, with twice the power rating of Nakamichi, simply did not have 
>enough current to drive these speakers.
>
>At the end I settled for TA-2A, [TA-4A was better, but twice the cost] 
>and, sound-wise, it served me very well for several years. Now I use 
>its tuner section with my bedroom gear. It is a very decent tuner. As 
>far as tuners go, I found that the antena makes a huge difference. My 
>Yamaha 992 receiver is hooked up to a large external antena, and it 
>seems to make the
>992 the best sounding tuner in the house.
>
>Stan

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 10 16:01:33 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:01:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R
Message-ID: <BAY2-F46J3GOeym8YhA00003c9c@hotmail.com>

Bob:

Looking back I wish I had kept the Nak PA-7 and Ca-7A...but I needed the 
money to trade up to Audio Research gear..which I've been thrilled 
with...but the cosmetic look and feel of the Nak gear is without equal...and 
the ability of remote control was NICE! and truth be told..the sound was far 
from shabby! Those Nak amps are now collector items in mint condition .....


>From: "Bob Folline" <bobf at oodg.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R
>Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:15:03 -0700
>
>Same impact here using my Nakamichi 7 series stack.
>PA7A Stasis AMP
>CA7A-II
>etc.
>
>Driving Martin Logan Quests.  It drives you out of the house before
>it runs out of power.  But it puts out a tremendous amount of heat so
>if you don't have a fan on it you can trip the thermal overload after
>about a half hour.
>
>I have been using this since 1984 with only a broken output terminal
>and finally a bad power relay on the PA7 as issues.
>
>Now I am replacing the entire setup with Proceed gear in my theatre.
>My Nakamichi will now provide through the house music.  Should sound
>nice if I can ever finish things.
>
>Bob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
>Of Derrick Beckner
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 06:54
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R
>
>I still use my TA-2A amp section (use a different pre).  It's 50 watts 
>would
>out drive other units triple the wattage from Onkyo, Luxman, Yamaha, Sony,
>Denon etc.  Very clean sound at low output too.  With Klipsch speakers, 
>I've
>never had to use anywhere near the max output, and rarely even use 1/2 
>(only
>when the wife is out of the house).  14 years and still going strong.
>
>At 10:03 PM 4/7/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >I remember my experiences with TA-2A and TA-4A receivers while shopping
> >for new gear in 1989. I was comparing TA-4A to Adcom 545/500
> >(Amp/Tuner-PreAmp) Combo, and TA-2A to Adcom 535/500. In both cases I
> >prefered the sound of Nakamchi gear.
> >
> >I remember at the time I already had very sweet sounding, yet even more
> >inefficient Magnepan speakers, and these [Adcom and Nakamichi] were the
> >least expensive "high current" units that could drive them. I do not
> >know the numbers, but relatively more expensive recivers from Denon or
> >Yamaha, with twice the power rating of Nakamichi, simply did not have
> >enough current to drive these speakers.
> >
> >At the end I settled for TA-2A, [TA-4A was better, but twice the cost]
> >and, sound-wise, it served me very well for several years. Now I use
> >its tuner section with my bedroom gear. It is a very decent tuner. As
> >far as tuners go, I found that the antena makes a huge difference. My
> >Yamaha 992 receiver is hooked up to a large external antena, and it
> >seems to make the
> >992 the best sounding tuner in the house.
> >
> >Stan
>
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat Apr 10 16:14:14 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:14:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Question on Cartridge for Transfer to Tape
Message-ID: <40780136.8070300@verizon.net>

Gerald,

Sounds as if you may have a Shure V15. They made a whole bunch of 
different flavors of it. Its one of the great cartridges of our time. 
You'll need to know the cartridge model specifics (V15 Series III, 
V15VxMR, etc) to know what the exact stylus replacement should be. I 
would try www.needledoctor.com - they have an extensive selection of 
cartridges and replacement stylii. In addition, they have a .pdf 
reference guide for the Shure cartridges which specifies the replacement 
stylus. Looking at it quickly, a VN35MR, VN45MR, or VN5MR will cover the 
different V15's. You **probably** can use any of the above stylii on 
yours (it does not have to be specific). For example, I have an ADC XLM 
Mk II cartridge. The "stock" stylus for it is the "XLM Improved MkII" 
stylus. I can use any of the following stylii: RXM, VLM MkIII, Y/X 
MkIII, QLM MkIII, Series 2, Series 4, and probably the LMA1/LMA3 series. 
I'm currently running a Y/X MkIII on the cartridge now. From what little 
I've read, it seems cartridge quality is **generally** more important 
than stylus quality (at least thats my perception). You can put a $50 
stylus on a $200 cartridge and get much better sound than putting a $200 
stylus on a $50 cartridge as a general rule. I'm not sure why but, may 
have something to do with the coil/magnet quality in the cartridge. And 
now I'm rambling.....

Mark


From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sat Apr 10 17:33:43 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:33:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Question on cartridge for transfer to tape
In-Reply-To: <17134-4076A1B1-2956@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
References: <17134-4076A1B1-2956@storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040410110803.02879ec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 09:14 2004/04/09, you wrote:
>hi,i want to order a cartridge needle for an old sure cartridge.It says
>"V" on it and nothing else. is this the 5?the needle is 100.00
>dollars.is it worth it for this cartridge or should i  et a different
>one?my budget is just about 100.00,so if anyone has a mint used one they
>wanna get rid of ,or can reccommend one,i would sure appreciate that,as
>i"m trying to get my phillips 212  together for the maraton tape  and
>the deadline is the end of this month.
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald

Gerald,

like Mark Barrett said in a different post, chances are you are using one 
generation or the other of the Shure V15 Series of cartridges. Based on the 
age of the Philips 212 and assuming this cartridge has been on it since day 
one, it's probably a V15 Type II or V15 Type III cartridge. I disagree with 
Mark on the subject of interchangeability. What is true to a large extent 
with one brand (ADC) is not necessarily true with other brands such as 
Shure. Shure have always made different stylus models for their cartridges 
(e.g. robust disc-jockey needles, some to play 78 RPM records, etc...) but 
IMHO these were not interchangeable between different generations such as 
Type II or Type III Series of V15 cartridges. I think the most recent V15 
Series were called Type V.

It is not unusual to pay up to 80% of the cost of a whole new cartridge to 
buy a new stylus for it. If you can get the original stylus made by Shure 
rather than a compatible copy made by some other manufacturer, I would 
advise buying the original since the quality is typically far superior and 
the cost not necessarily that much more. Using the better stylus provides 
better sound while protecting your record collection from premature wear.

Cheers,

-Marc




From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 10 19:12:07 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:12:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Question on cartridge for transfer to tape
Message-ID: <BAY2-F16bYAGeZNeH0R00004077@hotmail.com>

Mark:

Here is my 2cents....obtain an AT OC-9...not too expensive...and will yield 
results that will embarrass the Shure piece...IMHO.

Neil


>From: Marc Denis <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question on cartridge for transfer to tape
>Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:33:43 -0400
>
>At 09:14 2004/04/09, you wrote:
>>hi,i want to order a cartridge needle for an old sure cartridge.It says
>>"V" on it and nothing else. is this the 5?the needle is 100.00
>>dollars.is it worth it for this cartridge or should i  et a different
>>one?my budget is just about 100.00,so if anyone has a mint used one they
>>wanna get rid of ,or can reccommend one,i would sure appreciate that,as
>>i"m trying to get my phillips 212  together for the maraton tape  and
>>the deadline is the end of this month.
>>
>>thank you very much,
>>gerald
>
>Gerald,
>
>like Mark Barrett said in a different post, chances are you are using one 
>generation or the other of the Shure V15 Series of cartridges. Based on the 
>age of the Philips 212 and assuming this cartridge has been on it since day 
>one, it's probably a V15 Type II or V15 Type III cartridge. I disagree with 
>Mark on the subject of interchangeability. What is true to a large extent 
>with one brand (ADC) is not necessarily true with other brands such as 
>Shure. Shure have always made different stylus models for their cartridges 
>(e.g. robust disc-jockey needles, some to play 78 RPM records, etc...) but 
>IMHO these were not interchangeable between different generations such as 
>Type II or Type III Series of V15 cartridges. I think the most recent V15 
>Series were called Type V.
>
>It is not unusual to pay up to 80% of the cost of a whole new cartridge to 
>buy a new stylus for it. If you can get the original stylus made by Shure 
>rather than a compatible copy made by some other manufacturer, I would 
>advise buying the original since the quality is typically far superior and 
>the cost not necessarily that much more. Using the better stylus provides 
>better sound while protecting your record collection from premature wear.
>
>Cheers,
>
>-Marc
>
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat Apr 10 22:15:05 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:15:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Homemade Substitutes for Nak Adjustment Gauges ???
Message-ID: <1081628105.3483.5.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-248-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>

Hi All,

I was going thru some of the Naktalk archives - July03 specifically -
and saw a post inquiring if its possible to make homemade substitutes of
some or all of the Nak gauges. I've been wondering the same thing. It
seems that a Tape Travelling Cassette could be easily made from a normal
bias cassette. But, what about the gauges for head replacement ?
Specifically, the Tilt Check and Stroke Check Gauges ? Anyone have any
ideas ?
I know that Teac has some listed on their cal tape website, but, I
wonder if they can be used successfully on Nakamichis (?).

Mark



From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Apr 11 05:16:53 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:16:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: MFSL Recordings on Cassette Tape
Message-ID: <000201c41f73$96f38ba0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

A little something from a thread happening on NakChatt.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA


----- Forwarded Messages -----

      From:  "MrBleus" <blueswapper at angelfire.com> 
      Date:  Sat Apr 10, 2004  9:43 pm
      Subject:  Re: MFSL 1:1 Tapes on Nak

      --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:
     
                    
           
      Michael,

      I hold one MFSL cassette, Blind Faith's self-titled album. This
      commercial cassette plays back nicely on my Nak decks, more crisply
      on the ZX7 than the 680ZX. I haven't tried that cassette in the 550
      or RX505 yet after all these years, got that cassette back in about
      1995 (maybe will do that tomorrow, on a Sunday afternoon).

      I must say that the quality of my home prepped cassettes of MFSL
      UltraDisc remastered albums exceeeds the sound repro of the MFSL
      cassette. I have the Blind Faith album in both MFSL releases,
      UltraDisc 1987 (Japanese JVC manufactured), and UltraDisc II 1992
      (also JVC, but manufactured in the USA). I've recorded many MFSL
      titles over the years on my Nak decks, and the very finest comes from
      the ZX7 using Maxell metal cassette, which I can manually adjust the
      azimuth, bias and level calibration to my personal tweaked desire.
      Playback on my Naks, including mobile Nak TD560 are crystal clear,
      the warmth and depth of the original analog recording with the
      crispness of the MFSL digital remastering. No doubt, for personal
      use on synchronized decks, the MFSL recordings are the best music
      I've recorded over the years.

      Best regards,

      Bleus de Nakker
      Madison, Wisc USA


      --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "grandquartz" <lenaw at f...> wrote:

      > Hi Bleus:

      > Thanks for your suggestions and tips on how to clean the
      > pinch rollers.

      > At the same time, anybody in the forum has any listening
      > experience(s) with the MFSL ( mobile fidelity sound lab ) real-time
      > 1:1 pre-recorded tapes on any Nak deck so far? According to the
      > engineer who used to work in MFSL ( I forgot the website now ) he
      > used BASF tapes and JVC machines to produce those tapes because he
      > claims that NAK won't agree to make modification on their decks
      > based on BASF tapes.
      >
      > I saw a whole lot of MFSL ( sealed ) available in ebay but
      > the asking prices are even more than to get a DRAGON !!!
      >
      > I heard that the metal tapes make by Sheffield Lab for Nakamichi
      > ( Dolby B & C ) are very nice but don't have any to listen
      > to so far.
      >
      > Thanks again.
      >
      > Regards,
      >
      > Michael

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Apr 11 06:08:02 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:08:02 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] budget cartridges
Message-ID: <16957-4078C4A2-1724@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

hi,thanks for the advice on the cartridge.oc-9 sounds great but is out
of the question as i would need a phono pre-amp.From info. i have
scrambled up ,i gather that 350.00 is the entry level for some very good
high output moving coils including the Dynavector,which is reputed to
have a forward balance..and the Sumiko Blue Point,which is reported to
be unspectacular,but evenly balanced.Also reccomended is the two grado
models;the Gold and the Platinum at this price point.Also mentioned are
the denon line ofcartridges but as of now i dont kow anything about
these It seems my bet bet would be the 100+ dollar shure v15 needle
replacement for the  old v15.i will call the needle doctor and find out
which iteration i have.

thank you very much,
gerald



From c123666 at comcast.net  Sun Apr 11 06:15:13 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (carl c)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:15:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] budget cartridges
In-Reply-To: <16957-4078C4A2-1724@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <007301c41f7b$99d3f5a0$1c02a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>

The Denon DL160 is a fine cartridge and a used Dynavector 10x4 for
around 200 is great, too; both are high output and can use MM phono
stages just fine.  The DL160 can be had for less than 200 new with
shipping via mail order at several places one of which is the Needle
Doctor.



-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald G.
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:08 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] budget cartridges

hi,thanks for the advice on the cartridge.oc-9 sounds great but is out
of the question as i would need a phono pre-amp.From info. i have
scrambled up ,i gather that 350.00 is the entry level for some very good
high output moving coils including the Dynavector,which is reputed to
have a forward balance..and the Sumiko Blue Point,which is reported to
be unspectacular,but evenly balanced.Also reccomended is the two grado
models;the Gold and the Platinum at this price point.Also mentioned are
the denon line ofcartridges but as of now i dont kow anything about
these It seems my bet bet would be the 100+ dollar shure v15 needle
replacement for the  old v15.i will call the needle doctor and find out
which iteration i have.

thank you very much,
gerald

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 11 06:25:21 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:25:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] budget cartridges
Message-ID: <BAY2-F128JXrRjbDt3H000042f0@hotmail.com>

Jerry:

The OC-9 can be run with no load 47K or loaded down with 100 as I run 
it...you do not need a head amp!!


>From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] budget cartridges
>Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:08:02 -0500
>
>hi,thanks for the advice on the cartridge.oc-9 sounds great but is out
>of the question as i would need a phono pre-amp.From info. i have
>scrambled up ,i gather that 350.00 is the entry level for some very good
>high output moving coils including the Dynavector,which is reputed to
>have a forward balance..and the Sumiko Blue Point,which is reported to
>be unspectacular,but evenly balanced.Also reccomended is the two grado
>models;the Gold and the Platinum at this price point.Also mentioned are
>the denon line ofcartridges but as of now i dont kow anything about
>these It seems my bet bet would be the 100+ dollar shure v15 needle
>replacement for the  old v15.i will call the needle doctor and find out
>which iteration i have.
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Apr 11 06:37:59 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:37:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tapes Project (Webpage Updates)
Message-ID: <00aa01c41f7e$c4b40910$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Minor informational updates to Nak Marathon Tapes Project webpage, particularly revisions to playlist selection recorded times.  Thanks to Kent Merideth for doing a cross-referenced quality check (a few mins/secs off on three tracks).  Anything else anyone detects, let me know.  So, we have the final info for the original Marathon Tapes Project!

Enjoy and refer to the webpage whenever you want details.  Marathon Mk II sub-page can be created as Magnifico comes up with info on the selections, etc.  Time is on our side, groove to the music!!!

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Apr 11 06:40:08 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:40:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....
Message-ID: <00ae01c41f7f$118fa230$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Just wondering whether any of you Nakkers have experiences with Sheffield Labs compact disc recordings.  I'm hopeful to grab a Sheffield Labs jazz sampler listed on the auctions tonight......

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4006066975&rd=1

Seems that there are some other nice samplers on Sheffiled Labs label, including a 'Prime Cuts', and a 'Pop Music Experience'.  I'm researching a bit on the releases, most now out of print.  Found a couple references for Sheffield Labs, but no real reviews of the quality of results coming out of these gold discs.  Any comments or opinions are appreciated.

K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at chater.net


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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Apr 11 07:08:15 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 06:08:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....
References: <00ae01c41f7f$118fa230$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <003601c41f82$ff457c90$37764d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hi
i have the  thelma houston 'ive got the music in me' on sheffield labs sounds ok
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: KJ Bleus 
  Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 5:40 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....


  Just wondering whether any of you Nakkers have experiences with Sheffield Labs compact disc recordings.  I'm hopeful to grab a Sheffield Labs jazz sampler listed on the auctions tonight......
   
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4006066975&rd=1
   
  Seems that there are some other nice samplers on Sheffiled Labs label, including a 'Prime Cuts', and a 'Pop Music Experience'.  I'm researching a bit on the releases, most now out of print.  Found a couple references for Sheffield Labs, but no real reviews of the quality of results coming out of these gold discs.  Any comments or opinions are appreciated.
   
  K.J. Bleus
  Madison, Wisc USA
  kjbleus at chater.net
   

   


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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Apr 11 07:29:23 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 06:29:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....
References: <00ae01c41f7f$118fa230$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
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oops 12in-lp
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  Cc: KJ Bleus 
  Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 5:40 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....


  Just wondering whether any of you Nakkers have experiences with Sheffield Labs compact disc recordings.  I'm hopeful to grab a Sheffield Labs jazz sampler listed on the auctions tonight......
   
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4006066975&rd=1
   
  Seems that there are some other nice samplers on Sheffiled Labs label, including a 'Prime Cuts', and a 'Pop Music Experience'.  I'm researching a bit on the releases, most now out of print.  Found a couple references for Sheffield Labs, but no real reviews of the quality of results coming out of these gold discs.  Any comments or opinions are appreciated.
   
  K.J. Bleus
  Madison, Wisc USA
  kjbleus at chater.net
   

   


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From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Apr 11 09:54:39 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:54:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Shure V-15
Message-ID: <002301c41f9a$3e2b5b70$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Gerald,

A little more info for you:  The V-15 Type III came fitted with a VN35E Biradial stylus.  It could also accept the VN3-G Spherical stylus, or the VN78E which was specifically engineered for 78rpm records.  The V-15 Type came with a VN45HE hypereliptical stylus.  It could also accept the VN4G sperical, or the VN478E....again, engineered for 78s.

In addition to the Spin Doctor, you might try these sources:
Shure product history:  http://www.shure.com/phono_shure_history.html  Shure sells stylus replacements direct, but I don't know if they have out of production models....their web site is not very user friendly either.
Mantra Audio:  https://shop.mantra-audio.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Shure_3.html
Microphone Solutions:  http://music1online.com/phoncar.html
KAB:  http://www.kabusa.com/index_pc.htm

I am still using my Type IV in one set-up, and find it quite adequate.  I also have their newer V15VxMR which takes  a VN5xMR cartridge in another system.  It also works very well, although maybe not well enough to justify its cost.  There are a fair number of aftermarket stylus around, but I would not recommend them because the fit of the stylus shaft into the cartridge has a very close friction fit tollerance.  Any miss-match could affect output, and also could lead to damage during installation or removal.

Hope this helps.....by the way, I still have my Type III also.  If you have any pictures, I might be able to compare them to see if it matches  the III or IV.

Robert Kent
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Apr 11 12:41:08 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:41:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] sheffield labs
Message-ID: <7637-407920C4-186@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

no,no experience with sheffield labs,but i have had black labs and and
they very even balanced though somewhat noisy...but seriously,lots of
sheffield on AUDIOGON.

thank you very much,
gerald



From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sun Apr 11 13:22:13 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:22:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c41f7f$118fa230$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
References: <00ae01c41f7f$118fa230$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040411070151.0284dec0@pop.iquebec.com>

My experience with Sheffield Lab CDs is with the early titles. These were 
made from the tapes that were recorded while making the original 
direct-to-disc vynils. The vynils are IMHO much better, the CDs adding an 
objectionable amount of tape hiss. My favorite titles on vynil were Harry 
James' "The King James Version" (fabulous big band recording using only two 
microphones) and the Lincoln Mayorga/Amanda McBroom "Growing up in 
Hollywood Town" (lots of emotion in her voice; I get goosebumps when I 
listen to "The Rose"). On CD, the "James Newton Howard and Friends" is well 
done. The music is of limited interest to my taste but it sure does sound 
great. I think this one is an original digital recording. Watch out for 
very loud subsonic information at the beginning of the first track. Your 
amp may lose control of your woofers. The "Creme de la Creme" sampler CD 
offers a good cross-section of the early recordings.

Cheers,

-Marc


At 00:40 2004/04/11, you wrote:
>Just wondering whether any of you Nakkers have experiences with Sheffield 
>Labs compact disc recordings.  I'm hopeful to grab a Sheffield Labs jazz 
>sampler listed on the auctions tonight......
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4006066975&rd=1>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4006066975&rd=1
>
>Seems that there are some other nice samplers on Sheffiled Labs label, 
>including a 'Prime Cuts', and a 'Pop Music Experience'.  I'm researching a 
>bit on the releases, most now out of print.  Found a couple references for 
>Sheffield Labs, but no real reviews of the quality of results coming out 
>of these gold discs.  Any comments or opinions are appreciated.
>
>K.J. Bleus
>Madison, Wisc USA
><mailto:kjbleus at chater.net>kjbleus at chater.net
>
>
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Apr 11 14:25:51 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:25:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] three blind mice
Message-ID: <001301c41fc0$20b6f6a0$789a4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

anyone remember the 'three blind mice'. record label from the 70s, they were being used as demo discs at harrogate audio fairs, (japanese direct discs) i was so impressed i bought a couple,unfortunatly they only had jazz selection
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Apr 11 14:42:44 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:42:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] cartridge
Message-ID: <001e01c41fc2$7c9f07d0$789a4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

im using an audio technics 110e sounds fine for £15, also have a dynavector 20b but i save that for sunday listening!
p
ps just got some nakamichi dat tapes from japan. bet they sound better than the run of the mill ones,(not)
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Apr 11 19:42:40 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:42:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tapes Project (Webpage Updates)
References: <00aa01c41f7e$c4b40910$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <001201c41fec$63afe030$31773242@CopyTech>

Bleus:

The actual status of Marathon Tape Mark II is this:

Vol 1:

Orquesta Nova - Son de la Loma-El Magnifico-Revox B 710 MK II
Olivia Newton John-Heart Attack-Jay Benesch-Revox B 215
Lone Justice-Shelter-Gary Beyer-Nak BX 300
Traffic-Giving to You-Mr. Bleus-Nak ZX-7
Linda Ronstadt-Talk to me of Mendocino-Tim Barrett-Nak ZX-7
Deep Purple-Hush-Tony Boysick-Nak CR-7
Dave Grusin-Theme from St. Elsewhere-Kent Merideth-Nak ZX-9

As you can see, this is the actual order for Vol.1 As soon as the rest arrives, I would add it to the vol 1 until is done. The rest goes to Vol. 2 in the same manner. Vol. 3 is the SF Nakathon and it is ready. I has nearly 80 minutes of music but the info has to be supplied by the guys of the west. There would be no Vol. 4,so, if you are interested to participate send your contribution ASAP. Perhaps next year for mark iii project we may have 4 volumes, but not this year.

I'm going to make a humble suggestion: try to choose a selection hard to find or groups not so "commercial". The sound quality is important too. This way our project would have more "value". Until now, the vol. 1 is sounding amazing.

Thanks,

Carlos

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  Cc: KJ Bleus 
  Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:37 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tapes Project (Webpage Updates)


  Minor informational updates to Nak Marathon Tapes Project webpage, particularly revisions to playlist selection recorded times.  Thanks to Kent Merideth for doing a cross-referenced quality check (a few mins/secs off on three tracks).  Anything else anyone detects, let me know.  So, we have the final info for the original Marathon Tapes Project!

  Enjoy and refer to the webpage whenever you want details.  Marathon Mk II sub-page can be created as Magnifico comes up with info on the selections, etc.  Time is on our side, groove to the music!!!

  Regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA



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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Apr 11 19:57:18 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:57:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tapes Project (Webpage Updates)
References: <00aa01c41f7e$c4b40910$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <002001c41fee$6ee51180$31773242@CopyTech>

Technical Information for the Marathon Project Series:

For those of you interested in tech notes, here're some:

The Marathon Tape Series are a mutual collaboration between the NakTalk group of cassette lovers around the world united by the music and the love for their Nakamichi decks. People from different countries send their contribution once a year to make what we know as: The Marathon Tape Project. Now in its second generation, this year the project would be composed of 3 volumes on CD's each one containing over 70 minutes of music. (Bleus, you can elaborate on these liner notes, please ...)

Now, the tech info:

Each cassette master received is then transfer on real time without NR decoding.

Playback Deck: Nakamichi Dragon
Mastering System: SADiE Disk Editor version 3.8

Mastering Outboard:

Oram High Definition Mastering Eq.
Oram Mastering Compressor (not used)
Oram VU Signal Analyzer
NTI Mastering Eq.
TC Electronics Finalizer MK ii
Z System 8.8 Digital Detangler
Apogee UV-22 Converter
EAD Converter series iii

Playback & Monitoring:

Unison Research Tube Pre-Amp Mystery One (Italy)
Spectral Power Amp (class a)
Tannoy Mastering Monitors 
All wiring by LAT & Canare
The actual burning of the production master is done in a vintage Yamaha.

That's all.

Carlos


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Apr 11 17:00:26 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:00:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Shure V-15
In-Reply-To: <002301c41f9a$3e2b5b70$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <001001c41fd5$b8c611a0$46c187d9@oemcomputer>

Mantra Audio tend to be VERY competitive, too - got a superb price for a
Shure needle for my VST V (which I'm not using at the moment - good as it
is, I much prefer the DNM Reca. )

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of rjkent at comcast.net
  Sent: 11 April 2004 08:55
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Shure V-15


  Gerald,

  A little more info for you:  The V-15 Type III came fitted with a VN35E
Biradial stylus.  It could also accept the VN3-G Spherical stylus, or the
VN78E which was specifically engineered for 78rpm records.  The V-15 Type
came with a VN45HE hypereliptical stylus.  It could also accept the VN4G
sperical, or the VN478E....again, engineered for 78s.

  In addition to the Spin Doctor, you might try these sources:
  Shure product history:  http://www.shure.com/phono_shure_history.html
Shure sells stylus replacements direct, but I don't know if they have out of
production models....their web site is not very user friendly either.
  Mantra Audio:
https://shop.mantra-audio.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Shure_3.html
  Microphone Solutions:  http://music1online.com/phoncar.html
  KAB:  http://www.kabusa.com/index_pc.htm

  I am still using my Type IV in one set-up, and find it quite adequate.  I
also have their newer V15VxMR which takes  a VN5xMR cartridge in another
system.  It also works very well, although maybe not well enough to justify
its cost.  There are a fair number of aftermarket stylus around, but I would
not recommend them because the fit of the stylus shaft into the cartridge
has a very close friction fit tollerance.  Any miss-match could affect
output, and also could lead to damage during installation or removal.

  Hope this helps.....by the way, I still have my Type III also.  If you
have any pictures, I might be able to compare them to see if it matches  the
III or IV.

  Robert Kent
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Apr 11 18:15:19 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:15:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....
References: <00ae01c41f7f$118fa230$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <003001c41fe0$2f46f010$58b50642@johnnyrotten>

I have the Lincoln Mayorga CD and album "The Missing Linc".

John T.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: KJ Bleus 
  Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:40 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....


  Just wondering whether any of you Nakkers have experiences with Sheffield Labs compact disc recordings.  I'm hopeful to grab a Sheffield Labs jazz sampler listed on the auctions tonight......

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4006066975&rd=1

  Seems that there are some other nice samplers on Sheffiled Labs label, including a 'Prime Cuts', and a 'Pop Music Experience'.  I'm researching a bit on the releases, most now out of print.  Found a couple references for Sheffield Labs, but no real reviews of the quality of results coming out of these gold discs.  Any comments or opinions are appreciated.

  K.J. Bleus
  Madison, Wisc USA
  kjbleus at chater.net





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From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Apr 11 18:44:07 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:44:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: v15
References: <7637-40791E7F-178@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c41fe4$35a2e910$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Gerald,

Did you think this was an older cartridge?.....it really looks like my
V15VxMR, except the label on the side is missing. I don't know if the big V
appears on any other models. It does not look like my TypeIII at all, and
has a passing resemblance to my TypeIV.

I'm sending along pictures of my V15Vx, V15 TypeIII, and V15 TypeIV in three
separate emails to you off forum.  Hope this helps.  By the way, if it is a
V15Vx, the stylus retails for about $200.  They show up infrequently on
ebay.  I sold an extra one I had last year for about $125 if I recall
correctly.

Robert Kent

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <rjkent at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 3:31 AM
Subject: v15


> hi,Robert and thank you very kindly  for the much welcomed info.on my
> shure.enclosed is a picture of the cartridge,the shure site was not
> accesible to web t.v.thanks for he links to the cartridge needle place
> as well since shure is high price dealing directfromwhat igleane on a
> brief visit to shure.com.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald




From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Apr 11 18:47:40 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:47:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Sheffield Labs
Message-ID: <003401c41fe4$b43d7e70$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>



Hi Blues,

I have a pair of Sheffield Labs Gold series classicals with Erich Leinsdorf and the LA Philharmonic performing Stravinsky, Wagner, Prokofiev, and Debussy.  The quality is excellent, and they are in fact, gold.  Good luck!

Robert Kent

Message: 3
   Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:02:43 -0000
   From: "MrBleus" <kjbleus at lycos.com>
Subject: Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....

Subject: Re: Sheffield Labs Recordings.....

Just wondering whether any of you Nakkers have experiences with 
Sheffield Labs compact disc recordings.  I'm hopeful to grab a 
Sheffield Labs jazz experience listed on the auctions tonight......
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Apr 11 22:17:13 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:17:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] vintage 1000zxl article
Message-ID: <11710-4079A7C9-638@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>

h,i just picked up a few old pop. sci. mags from 1980. fri.,i got one
for an article on vintage handheld computers as i have a couple of eally
great ones...well, while leafing through the mag.,i found an article
pertaing to the then new release of the mighty 1000zxl at the summer
C.E.S. show in Chicago in 1980.Most info. given in the half page article
is already known to most of you,or is in the Nak archives-hereis one
intetesting tidbit-"the deck is designed to prevent obsolescence".if
anyone wants a photo of the article(im not sure how well it will
photograph),or any requests to transcribe it in fuul,let me know.In case
pop.sci sells reprints,the issue is Nov.1980.

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Apr 11 22:32:18 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:32:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] vintage 1000zxl article
Message-ID: <18580-4079AB52-617@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

sorry,but make that popular ELECTRONICS,not pop. sci.-aret those old
ssues great,i highly reccomend browsing through some if you can get
youre hands on any.there is a great article on "super discs" and the
recording companies from early 1980,s roducing master quality p.'s that
i may provide a summary of on AUDIOTALK later.

thank you very much,
gerald



From sharpei at verizon.net  Mon Apr 12 00:59:50 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:59:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The Magnificant Nakamichi 682ZX
Message-ID: <4079CDE6.1020505@verizon.net>

Folks,

The last couple of weeks I've been rediscovering my 682ZX. Prior to 2 
weeks ago, I had it as my playback deck in the excersise room. The ZX-7 
and CR-7A were the decks used for recording.... for no particular 
reason. Anyway, 2 weeks ago I did the yearly alignments and when the 
682ZX was finished; I decided to put it in the living room with the 
CR-7A so I could make comparisons on its recording ability vs the other 
2 decks (the ZX-7 went into the exercise room). So, in the last 2 weeks, 
I've burned 4 LP's onto tape with the 682ZX and, I guess, had forgotten 
how well it records ! Wow ! Just a few minutes ago I finished burning a 
mint copy of "On the Threshold of a Dream" LP (the Moody Blues, 1969) 
onto an XLII-S. I need a cigarette !

Mark


From prof at stephenellison.com  Mon Apr 12 04:42:38 2004
From: prof at stephenellison.com (stephen ellison)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:42:38 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 fix
Message-ID: <000201c42037$d525c950$6501a8c0@ellisondev1>

Hi
I've used my 700 ZXE and Dragon for many happy years but always wanted
to add a 505.  Finally have one but the slide mechanism does not
operate.  Service manual is of no help.  Does anyone know what
mechanical means propels the tray in and out?  The gears turn once I
placed the drive belt back on, but the tray remains stationary.
Thanks

Stephen Ellison
University of Colorado @ Denver
Department of English





From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Mon Apr 12 05:13:25 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:13:25 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 fix
Message-ID: <1e8.1da5d741.2dab6355@aol.com>

Hi Stephen,    I am pretty sure what the problem is!!   I had the same 
problem with mine! and was able to fix it like new!. There is big white plastic gear 
with a stud with a metal sleeve on it! which mates in the reversing lever, 
there is a good chance the stud on this gear  has broken off! rendering the auto 
reverse mechanism useless! The part is available from Nakamichi USA! for a 
reasonable price but ti put it inside you will have to almost!!  disassemble the 
whole unit!  you can do it! but it is going to take a lot of patient and 
courage as it  not going to be a piece of cake! that is for sure as I find out the 
hard way! but the good news is that I was able to fix and the deck worked 
like new!  Thanks!

With Best Regards!
Ali 
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Mon Apr 12 05:31:20 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:31:20 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 fix
Message-ID: <1ef.1dceab9e.2dab6788@aol.com>

Hi Again Stephen,   I forgot to mention that this big white gear also control 
the tape eject functions i.e. it slides the cassette tray out of the cassette 
deck for you to load the cassette tape and also does the auto reverse duties 
.  Hope this helps you to fix it!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From lists at richardhess.com  Mon Apr 12 06:13:10 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:13:10 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon azimuth motor clunks
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040411210617.024b6648@127.0.0.1>

Hi,

One of my Dragons seems to clunk when it cannot find azimuth on a low-level 
tape. This is new.

Any thoughts on where to look? Common causes?

When the level goes up, the machine locks in.

The clunking is new. It has me worried.

This machine received an NOS complete mechanism about two years ago at TAP 
Electronics in the LA area.

I have the service manual.

Cheers,

Richard




From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Apr 12 06:57:00 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 00:57:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tapes Project (Webpage Updates)
References: <00aa01c41f7e$c4b40910$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<001201c41fec$63afe030$31773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <00fd01c4204a$9aa0ba70$9e6523c8@g8nsv>

Very interesting indeed how it is going....

Carlos, I need you to send me a phone number since FEDEX is asking for that to do the deliver to Puerto Rico from Venezuela......can you sendit to me please????

Is there anything I can send you from Venezuela that you would like????

Best regards

isy
fidelman at telcel.net.ve

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 1:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tapes Project (Webpage Updates)


  Bleus:

  The actual status of Marathon Tape Mark II is this:

  Vol 1:

  Orquesta Nova - Son de la Loma-El Magnifico-Revox B 710 MK II
  Olivia Newton John-Heart Attack-Jay Benesch-Revox B 215
  Lone Justice-Shelter-Gary Beyer-Nak BX 300
  Traffic-Giving to You-Mr. Bleus-Nak ZX-7
  Linda Ronstadt-Talk to me of Mendocino-Tim Barrett-Nak ZX-7
  Deep Purple-Hush-Tony Boysick-Nak CR-7
  Dave Grusin-Theme from St. Elsewhere-Kent Merideth-Nak ZX-9

  As you can see, this is the actual order for Vol.1 As soon as the rest arrives, I would add it to the vol 1 until is done. The rest goes to Vol. 2 in the same manner. Vol. 3 is the SF Nakathon and it is ready. I has nearly 80 minutes of music but the info has to be supplied by the guys of the west. There would be no Vol. 4,so, if you are interested to participate send your contribution ASAP. Perhaps next year for mark iii project we may have 4 volumes, but not this year.

  I'm going to make a humble suggestion: try to choose a selection hard to find or groups not so "commercial". The sound quality is important too. This way our project would have more "value". Until now, the vol. 1 is sounding amazing.

  Thanks,

  Carlos

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: KJ Bleus 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Cc: KJ Bleus 
    Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:37 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tapes Project (Webpage Updates)


    Minor informational updates to Nak Marathon Tapes Project webpage, particularly revisions to playlist selection recorded times.  Thanks to Kent Merideth for doing a cross-referenced quality check (a few mins/secs off on three tracks).  Anything else anyone detects, let me know.  So, we have the final info for the original Marathon Tapes Project!

    Enjoy and refer to the webpage whenever you want details.  Marathon Mk II sub-page can be created as Magnifico comes up with info on the selections, etc.  Time is on our side, groove to the music!!!

    Regards,

    Bleus de Nakker
    Madison, Wisc USA



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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Mon Apr 12 07:37:23 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:37:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt --Late response..!
Message-ID: <200404120137_MC3-1-7D10-CC9D@compuserve.com>

Sorry for the late response, but I have some useful info for you:

Couple years ago I have downloaded a software, that finds the equivalent
belt from PRB (Projector Recorder Belt Corporation) Line. You can search
for a particular model of a brand (this can be a cassette deck, VCR or
projector). But this program covers only older models. There is only one
belt is listed under RX-202 selection, which is FRM 6.1.

Some of the replacement belts (also tires/idlers) are still available from
action-electronics.com.

I looked up couple other decks:
LX5 and ZX7: FRM 9.2, SCQ 4.8, SCY 9.0
680ZX: same 3 belts + SCY 4.2

SF area naktalkers may be able to find these belts in local Fry's stores. I
have seen the PRB catalog with cross-reference in the Sunnyvale Fry's store
as well.

_Fuad

Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
>

I tried to measure it as accurately as possible. It's a flat belt with the
following dimensions: 

Outer diameter: 55.4 mm

Thickness: 0.475 mm

Width: 5 mm

 

I don't know any specific supplier other then the two already mentioned
here. You can try to search by size at different suppliers, like MCM
(http://mcm.newark.com/) or so. Let us know if you find something.

 

I noticed that RX 202 uses a capstan drive with the same part number
(OC80034A), so other idea would be to ask if someone has a spare capstan
drive for RX 202. About one month ago someone offered remaining parts from
a
deceased RX 202 on Naktalk, but I can't recall who and I don't find the
message...

 

Gabe

-----Original Message-----
From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com [mailto:Waynekellner2003 at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:05 PM
To: calijente at gmx.net; naktalk at naks.com
Subject: NAK CR2A Belt


I sent a response back to naktalk but I didn't see your email address when
it came back to me. 
 
Thanks for getting me the part number. I would really appreciate getting
the
dimensions, if you would be so kind. I contacted ES Labs (I think) and was
quoted $27 (includes delivery) for the belt. I thought that to be quite
expensive. Do you know where I can get this belt for a more reasonable
price? hanks you.
<




From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Apr 12 08:10:35 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:10:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] budget cartridges
Message-ID: <s07a4f06.017@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Gerald,

The Denon DL 304 is within your budget and won many awards from the British press.  It's excellent.  The cheaper 103 is spherical (don't let that put you off - the Japanese broadcasters use it for their radio stations).  Unfortunately, all these need step-up amps as they are low output.  Perhaps have a look on e-bay (or recalling your expereinces!!!) a couple of local dealerships that may have previously owned MC stages gojng for a decent price.

Good luck!!

Marc

>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 04/11/04 06:08AM >>>
hi,thanks for the advice on the cartridge.oc-9 sounds great but is out
of the question as i would need a phono pre-amp.From info. i have
scrambled up ,i gather that 350.00 is the entry level for some very good
high output moving coils including the Dynavector,which is reputed to
have a forward balance..and the Sumiko Blue Point,which is reported to
be unspectacular,but evenly balanced.Also reccomended is the two grado
models;the Gold and the Platinum at this price point.Also mentioned are
the denon line ofcartridges but as of now i dont kow anything about
these It seems my bet bet would be the 100+ dollar shure v15 needle
replacement for the  old v15.i will call the needle doctor and find out
which iteration i have.

thank you very much,
gerald

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From c123666 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 12 08:29:41 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (carl c)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:29:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] budget cartridges
In-Reply-To: <s07a4f06.017@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <005b01c42057$89adf860$1c02a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>

The DL304 was unavailable when I tried to order one through several
outlets; ie, discontinued.  The DL301, DL103R, DL103, and DLS1 are all
available; all are low output.  The 103r is probably the best buy of the
bunch with the best being the dls1 but it is over 600 bucks.  The
DL103D, likewise, is also no longer available; it is sought after and
sells quickly on the used market.

The DL160 is available for something like 160 and is high output and
very highly regarded; available through quite a few places including US
outlets such as the needle doctor.


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Mark Hugo
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:11 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com; jerryjg at webtv.net
Subject: Re: [naktalk] budget cartridges

Hi Gerald,

The Denon DL 304 is within your budget and won many awards from the
British press.  It's excellent.  The cheaper 103 is spherical (don't let
that put you off - the Japanese broadcasters use it for their radio
stations).  Unfortunately, all these need step-up amps as they are low
output.  Perhaps have a look on e-bay (or recalling your expereinces!!!)
a couple of local dealerships that may have previously owned MC stages
gojng for a decent price.

Good luck!!

Marc

>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 04/11/04 06:08AM >>>
hi,thanks for the advice on the cartridge.oc-9 sounds great but is out
of the question as i would need a phono pre-amp.From info. i have
scrambled up ,i gather that 350.00 is the entry level for some very good
high output moving coils including the Dynavector,which is reputed to
have a forward balance..and the Sumiko Blue Point,which is reported to
be unspectacular,but evenly balanced.Also reccomended is the two grado
models;the Gold and the Platinum at this price point.Also mentioned are
the denon line ofcartridges but as of now i dont kow anything about
these It seems my bet bet would be the 100+ dollar shure v15 needle
replacement for the  old v15.i will call the needle doctor and find out
which iteration i have.

thank you very much,
gerald

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From masonmjs at runbox.com  Mon Apr 12 15:24:07 2004
From: masonmjs at runbox.com (Mike Mason)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:24:07 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt --Late response..!
Message-ID: <E1BD1Pz-0007Ew-Mk@odie.runbox.com>

Hi all,

I'm looking for a complete set of belts for a Nak 600, anybody got any ideas ??

Thanks
Mike
(British nak appreciation society)


> Sorry for the late response, but I have some useful info for you:
> 
> Couple years ago I have downloaded a software, that finds the equivalent
> belt from PRB (Projector Recorder Belt Corporation) Line. You can search
> for a particular model of a brand (this can be a cassette deck, VCR or
> projector). But this program covers only older models. There is only one
> belt is listed under RX-202 selection, which is FRM 6.1.
> 
> Some of the replacement belts (also tires/idlers) are still available from
> action-electronics.com.
> 
> I looked up couple other decks:
> LX5 and ZX7: FRM 9.2, SCQ 4.8, SCY 9.0
> 680ZX: same 3 belts + SCY 4.2
> 
> SF area naktalkers may be able to find these belts in local Fry's stores. I
> have seen the PRB catalog with cross-reference in the Sunnyvale Fry's store
> as well.
> 
> _Fuad
> 
> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> >
> 
> I tried to measure it as accurately as possible. It's a flat belt with the
> following dimensions: 
> 
> Outer diameter: 55.4 mm
> 
> Thickness: 0.475 mm
> 
> Width: 5 mm
> 
>  
> 
> I don't know any specific supplier other then the two already mentioned
> here. You can try to search by size at different suppliers, like MCM
> (http://mcm.newark.com/) or so. Let us know if you find something.
> 
>  
> 
> I noticed that RX 202 uses a capstan drive with the same part number
> (OC80034A), so other idea would be to ask if someone has a spare capstan
> drive for RX 202. About one month ago someone offered remaining parts from
> a
> deceased RX 202 on Naktalk, but I can't recall who and I don't find the
> message...
> 
>  
> 
> Gabe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Waynekellner2003 at aol.com [mailto:Waynekellner2003 at aol.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:05 PM
> To: calijente at gmx.net; naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: NAK CR2A Belt
> 
> 
> I sent a response back to naktalk but I didn't see your email address when
> it came back to me. 
>  
> Thanks for getting me the part number. I would really appreciate getting
> the
> dimensions, if you would be so kind. I contacted ES Labs (I think) and was
> quoted $27 (includes delivery) for the belt. I thought that to be quite
> expensive. Do you know where I can get this belt for a more reasonable
> price? hanks you.
> <
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Apr 12 16:07:50 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:07:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] budget cartridges
In-Reply-To: <005b01c42057$89adf860$1c02a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>
References: <s07a4f06.017@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412100713.01b52318@psulias.psu.edu>

You could also try the Ortofon series of high output MC carts.

At 11:29 PM 4/11/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>The DL304 was unavailable when I tried to order one through several
>outlets; ie, discontinued.  The DL301, DL103R, DL103, and DLS1 are all
>available; all are low output.  The 103r is probably the best buy of the
>bunch with the best being the dls1 but it is over 600 bucks.  The
>DL103D, likewise, is also no longer available; it is sought after and
>sells quickly on the used market.
>
>The DL160 is available for something like 160 and is high output and
>very highly regarded; available through quite a few places including US
>outlets such as the needle doctor.



From BADANTH at aol.com  Mon Apr 12 20:37:45 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:37:45 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Idler Tire Replacement
Message-ID: <12f.3f1be9ba.2dac3bf9@aol.com>

I'm looking to order some spare Idler tires and want to make sure these are 
the right ones. They are from MCM and are as follows: 

Manufacturer Part No.:
32-5665 
Manufacturer Name:
MCM     
Part Description:
IDLER TIRE 14.22 X 9.6 X 2.06   

I'm pretty sure these were highly recomended by members of this list but just 
want to be sure.

Thanks,
Anthony
    
    
    
    

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From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Apr 12 20:46:47 2004
From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:46:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
Message-ID: <OF0B8A6796.E7D4BE6F-ON86256E74.0066FF77-86256E74.00672952@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com>

What kind of a response do you expect when you insult roughly half of the 
people that read this? Lets keep on topic OK?

Gary


>>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)

I figure that, despite the murderous efforts of our current 
administration, probably the best thing Americans can do these days is to 
reach out across our borders and show the world what is good, honorable 
and true about
our culture.<<
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Apr 12 20:58:34 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:58:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 and 1000 ?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412145543.01b81d88@psulias.psu.edu>

I think I'd like to get a hold of a 1000 series deck to record onto my 
computer.  Should be easy to store or hook into my main system if I so 
desire and has manual playback azimuth.  How much would one in decent shape 
expect to go for?

I'd probably sell my CR-2, which is in outstanding condition.  Was bought 
from a Nak dealer who had it in his home.  What would be a reasonable price 
to ask for this?

Thanks,



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Apr 12 20:59:21 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:59:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412145836.01b91140@psulias.psu.edu>

I think this came up a while ago, but what deck would be ideal to buy for 
HX Pro playback?



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Mon Apr 12 21:52:55 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:52:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
In-Reply-To: <OF0B8A6796.E7D4BE6F-ON86256E74.0066FF77-86256E74.00672952@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF0B8A6796.E7D4BE6F-ON86256E74.0066FF77-86256E74.00672952@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <407AF397.5070705@rcn.com>


I strongly disagree with you. I think Fred insulted not half,
but just about every American here. OTOH, one of the great
aspects of the American heritage is anyone's right to say
whatever is on their mind, even if uninformed, crass or
disagreeable to the rest of us

Peace,

-- Ron


gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote:
> What kind of a response do you expect when you insult roughly half of the 
> people that read this? Lets keep on topic OK?
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
>>>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> 
> 
> I figure that, despite the murderous efforts of our current 
> administration, probably the best thing Americans can do these days is to 
> reach out across our borders and show the world what is good, honorable 
> and true about
> our culture.<<




From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Mon Apr 12 21:56:45 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:56:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO
Message-ID: <s07aae48.059@mail.anderson.edu>

Derrick,

HX Pro is not a noise reduction system, it is a variable bias circuit,
which allows a higher level signal to be recorded before reaching
saturation and reducing intermodulation distortion.  The high
frequencies are most impacted by this technique, but also helps improve
the quality of the whole audio frequency spectrum.  Since there is no
encoding to be decoded, any tape deck can play back an HX Pro recorded
tape (including the "lowly" boombox--sorry Gerald).  You can find some
background information on HX Pro at the following URL's:

http://www.naks.com/new/Dolby_HX_Pro_High_Fidelity_Trade_News_Oct_1982_p30.pdf

http://www.naks.com/new/Dolby_HX_Pro_High_Fidelity_Trade_News_Oct_1982_p32.pdf

http://www.naks.com/new/Dolby_HX_Pro_R-E_Mar_1989_p84.pdf 
http://www.naks.com/new/Dolby_HX_Pro_R-E_Mar_1989_p85.pdf 

Not sure why Nakamichi never jumped on the HX Pro bandwagon, other than
they had the best combination of mechanics and electronics and did not
want to "muck" things up with more circuitry.  They had spent so much of
their resources on nearly perfecting the recording process to the
original IEC standards, they did not adopt the second iteration of the
(relaxed specifications) standard.  Wonder if they tried the HX Pro
circuitry and if there were any negative consequences.  Other than
"Nakamichi decks were so good, they did not need HX Pro" (I really
wonder if they could have been better and had less circuitry with HX
Pro), does anyone out there have a handle on the Nakamichi/HX Pro
dynamics?  Would be nice to have some reliable reference articles/sites
for us to read.

But don't worry about which decks are HX Pro compatible for playback,
they all are.  Keep Nakin' and Enjoy the Music!

Kent

>>> dgb100n at psulias.psu.edu 4/12/04 1:59:21 PM >>>
I think this came up a while ago, but what deck would be ideal to buy
for 
HX Pro playback?

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Apr 12 22:12:29 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:12:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
In-Reply-To: <407AF397.5070705@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000201c420ca$7b10d5c0$1d6b893e@oemcomputer>

No insult taken here, mate!     But then, I'm a Brit!!  :o)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: 12 April 2004 20:53
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape trading
>
>
>
> I strongly disagree with you. I think Fred insulted not half,
> but just about every American here. OTOH, one of the great
> aspects of the American heritage is anyone's right to say
> whatever is on their mind, even if uninformed, crass or
> disagreeable to the rest of us
>
> Peace,
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote:
> > What kind of a response do you expect when you insult roughly
> half of the
> > people that read this? Lets keep on topic OK?
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >>>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> >
> >
> > I figure that, despite the murderous efforts of our current
> > administration, probably the best thing Americans can do these
> days is to
> > reach out across our borders and show the world what is good, honorable
> > and true about
> > our culture.<<
>
>
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Mon Apr 12 22:16:36 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:16:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412145836.01b91140@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412145836.01b91140@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040412161013.027d7ec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 14:59 2004/04/12, you wrote:
>I think this came up a while ago, but what deck would be ideal to buy for 
>HX Pro playback?

HX Pro is not an encoding process. It is used only during recording. It 
dynamically affects bias while recording to help frequency response at the 
highest frequencies. No compression is used. Distortion is somewhat 
increased because of the reduced bias. This is why Nakamichi never used it. 
HX Pro tapes can be played back on any deck with Dolby B or C according to 
type of encoding used.




From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Mon Apr 12 22:09:11 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:09:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] three blind mice
In-Reply-To: <001301c41fc0$20b6f6a0$789a4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <001301c41fc0$20b6f6a0$789a4f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040412155928.02817ec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 08:25 2004/04/11, you wrote:
>anyone remember the 'three blind mice'. record label from the 70s, they 
>were being used as demo discs at harrogate audio fairs, (japanese direct 
>discs) i was so impressed i bought a couple,unfortunatly they only had 
>jazz selection
>phill

I have 15 or 16 of them on LP and a couple I bought again on CD. I don't 
think they were direct-to-disc, just very well done recordings stamped on 
first rate vinyl. "Midnight Sugar" is probably the most famous of them but 
I really like "Greensleeves" the most I think. "Greensleeves" was, I 
believe, their first digital recording. Says "PCM" right on the label of 
the LP. I got both LP and CD version of this one. Really good music and 
great sound.

-Marc




From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Apr 12 22:22:12 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:22:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040412161013.027d7ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412145836.01b91140@psulias.psu.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040412145836.01b91140@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412162132.01b7dfb8@psulias.psu.edu>

I was under the impression that you needed an HX Pro deck to get the best 
results from the process, but I may be mistaken.  Wouldn't be the first 
time. :)

At 04:16 PM 4/12/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>At 14:59 2004/04/12, you wrote:
>>I think this came up a while ago, but what deck would be ideal to buy for 
>>HX Pro playback?
>
>HX Pro is not an encoding process. It is used only during recording. It 
>dynamically affects bias while recording to help frequency response at the 
>highest frequencies. No compression is used. Distortion is somewhat 
>increased because of the reduced bias. This is why Nakamichi never used 
>it. HX Pro tapes can be played back on any deck with Dolby B or C 
>according to type of encoding used.
>
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Mon Apr 12 22:57:50 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:57:50 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
Message-ID: <21724257@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 12 23:04:28 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:04:28 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 and 1000 ?
Message-ID: <BAY9-F14kYZv8M84X6w000092cf@hotmail.com>

Derrick,

Hate to disappoint you, but none of the 1000 series has any sort of playback 
azimuth adjustment, manual or automatic.

George
----Original Message Follows----
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Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 and 1000 ?
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:58:34 -0400

I think I'd like to get a hold of a 1000 series deck to record onto my 
computer.  Should be easy to store or hook into my main system if I so 
desire and has manual playback azimuth.  How much would one in decent shape 
expect to go for?

I'd probably sell my CR-2, which is in outstanding condition.  Was bought 
from a Nak dealer who had it in his home.  What would be a reasonable price 
to ask for this?

Thanks,

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Apr 12 23:17:17 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:17:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 and 1000 ?
Message-ID: <9d441c69d43c33.9d43c339d441c6@vsnl.net>

I also recommend avoiding 1000 as you will not be able to find any spare parts- there are plenty of Nak 3 heads of second generation which will sound better than Nak 1000( sbjective openion / I accept other views as well!) and surpass 1000 specs.
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: George Valkov <g_valkov at hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:04 pm
Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-2 and 1000 ?

> Derrick,
> 
> Hate to disappoint you, but none of the 1000 series has any sort 
> of playback 
> azimuth adjustment, manual or automatic.
> 
> George
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 and 1000 ?
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:58:34 -0400
> 
> I think I'd like to get a hold of a 1000 series deck to record 
> onto my 
> computer.  Should be easy to store or hook into my main system if 
> I so 
> desire and has manual playback azimuth.  How much would one in 
> decent shape 
> expect to go for?
> 
> I'd probably sell my CR-2, which is in outstanding condition.  Was 
> bought 
> from a Nak dealer who had it in his home.  What would be a 
> reasonable price 
> to ask for this?
> 
> Thanks,
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 12 23:17:28 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (carl c)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:17:28 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
In-Reply-To: <21724257@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <008b01c420d3$94dd35d0$1c02a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>

Same reason we don't discuss politics at the bar....


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Fred Lifton
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 1:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape trading

Hello all,
I didn't see Gary's whole post (snipped below), but someone brought it
to my
attention off-list. First of all, I had absolutely no intention of
insulting
anyone. My little aside was a jab at our (US) political leaders, not at
anyone's
personal politics. Indeed, I think it's a sad state of affairs when
political
criticism is automatically viewed as a personal attack. It's not, so
please
don't take it that way. 

Moreover, it seems to me that Naktalk is about more than the purely
technical
aspects of Naks and cassette recording. I think part of why we love the
cassette
medium is that it allows self-expression. I love tapes because I can
record
songs on them that reflect me, my life, my views, my place in the world,
my
society. I can put all that on a tiny cassette, send it half way around
the
world and know that someone else can hear all of that  when they play it
back
(esp. if they use a nice deck!). 

Many of the posters on this list have stressed that enjoying the music
is the
bottom line. I agree wholeheartedly and want to contribute to that
enjoyment. I
think it's really wonderful that Naktalk is so international and (much
as I hate
the term), "multi-cultural." So, by all means lets stay "on topic" and
talk
about music, cassettes and the beautiful Naks we love so well. But let's
also
enjoy all of the different perspectives, people and politics that this
list
encompasses. Enjoying the music means embracing difference, and I'm
happy to
keep doing that. 

I'd even consider trading for a tape of "republican" music, though I
draw the
line at Toby Keith ;-)

peace and respect to all of you,
sincerely 
Fred Lifton

--- You wrote:
<Gary sed>
--- Excerpt:

What kind of a response do you expect when you insult roughly half of
the people
that read this? Lets keep on topic OK? 

Gary 


>>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
 
I figure that, despite the murderous efforts of our current
administration,
probably the best thing Americans can do these days is to reach out
across our
borders and show the world what is good, honorable and true about
 our culture.<<
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Apr 12 23:26:03 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:26:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 and 1000 ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F14kYZv8M84X6w000092cf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412172515.01b7dde8@psulias.psu.edu>

Ah, I read that wrong, record head azimuth.  Jeez, wrong again.

At 09:04 PM 4/12/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>Derrick,
>
>Hate to disappoint you, but none of the 1000 series has any sort of 
>playback azimuth adjustment, manual or automatic.



From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Tue Apr 13 00:09:38 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:09:38 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
In-Reply-To: <21724257@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCKEBOCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

Hello Fred
Apologies to all for being off subject in the forum, and I would not like to
add fuel to any fire, but personally I am heartened by the fact that you
have shown that allegiance to your country does not mean "blind allegiance".
Being a Brit puts me in the strange position of supporting most of the aims
but in despair at the means and misrepresentations that were made. I wonder
if the 700 freshly killed people in Fallugia and their relatives are happy
at being liberated!
Again I will stress that I do not wish to offend anyone, but think that a
gentle airing of personal views on such an important matter can only add to
the forum.
Peaceful regards,
Doug Locke.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Fred Lifton
Sent: 12 April 2004 21:39
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape trading


Hello all,
I didn't see Gary's whole post (snipped below), but someone brought it to my
attention off-list. First of all, I had absolutely no intention of insulting
anyone. My little aside was a jab at our (US) political leaders, not at
anyone's
personal politics. Indeed, I think it's a sad state of affairs when
political
criticism is automatically viewed as a personal attack. It's not, so please
don't take it that way.

Moreover, it seems to me that Naktalk is about more than the purely
technical
aspects of Naks and cassette recording. I think part of why we love the
cassette
medium is that it allows self-expression. I love tapes because I can record
songs on them that reflect me, my life, my views, my place in the world, my
society. I can put all that on a tiny cassette, send it half way around the
world and know that someone else can hear all of that  when they play it
back
(esp. if they use a nice deck!).

Many of the posters on this list have stressed that enjoying the music is
the
bottom line. I agree wholeheartedly and want to contribute to that
enjoyment. I
think it's really wonderful that Naktalk is so international and (much as I
hate
the term), "multi-cultural." So, by all means lets stay "on topic" and talk
about music, cassettes and the beautiful Naks we love so well. But let's
also
enjoy all of the different perspectives, people and politics that this list
encompasses. Enjoying the music means embracing difference, and I'm happy to
keep doing that.

I'd even consider trading for a tape of "republican" music, though I draw
the
line at Toby Keith ;-)

peace and respect to all of you,
sincerely
Fred Lifton

--- You wrote:
<Gary sed>
--- Excerpt:

What kind of a response do you expect when you insult roughly half of the
people
that read this? Lets keep on topic OK?

Gary


>>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)

I figure that, despite the murderous efforts of our current administration,
probably the best thing Americans can do these days is to reach out across
our
borders and show the world what is good, honorable and true about
 our culture.<<
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From britri at comcast.net  Tue Apr 13 00:33:52 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:33:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
References: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCKEBOCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
Message-ID: <407B1950.5090509@comcast.net>

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Apr 13 00:56:37 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:56:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
In-Reply-To: <407B1950.5090509@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000401c420e1$68f2f5a0$f7e84c51@oemcomputer>

WOW THERE!  We have enough conflict in the World without it spilling over
here, too!  We all love sharing our experiences of Nak's and (personally)
I'm not too bothered if people share their other views off topic, so long as
it's intelligently or wittily put,but I don't want to share e-mails flaming
one or another.   C'mon, guys - PEACE or at atleast, let's have a truce!!

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Brian Stocker
  Sent: 12 April 2004 23:34
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape trading


  DEAR DOUG,

  STOP WASTING OUR TIME WITH YOUR OFF TOPIC THOUGHTS.  I HATE IT WHEN
SOMEBODY APOLOGIZES AND THEN RESUMES TO DO THAT FOR WHICH THE APOLOGY
REPRESENTS!

  THAT'S LIKE THINKING THAT A GENTLE AIRING OF YOUR PERSONAL INTESTINAL
GASSES CAN ONLY ADD TO A PACKED ELEVATOR!

  Doug Locke wrote:

Hello Fred
Apologies to all for being off subject in the forum, and I would not like to
add fuel to any fire, but personally I am heartened by the fact that you
have shown that allegiance to your country does not mean "blind allegiance".
Being a Brit puts me in the strange position of supporting most of the aims
but in despair at the means and misrepresentations that were made. I wonder
if the 700 freshly killed people in Fallugia and their relatives are happy
at being liberated!
Again I will stress that I do not wish to offend anyone, but think that a
gentle airing of personal views on such an important matter can only add to
the forum.
Peaceful regards,
Doug Locke.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Fred Lifton
Sent: 12 April 2004 21:39
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape trading


Hello all,
I didn't see Gary's whole post (snipped below), but someone brought it to my
attention off-list. First of all, I had absolutely no intention of insulting
anyone. My little aside was a jab at our (US) political leaders, not at
anyone's
personal politics. Indeed, I think it's a sad state of affairs when
political
criticism is automatically viewed as a personal attack. It's not, so please
don't take it that way.

Moreover, it seems to me that Naktalk is about more than the purely
technical
aspects of Naks and cassette recording. I think part of why we love the
cassette
medium is that it allows self-expression. I love tapes because I can record
songs on them that reflect me, my life, my views, my place in the world, my
society. I can put all that on a tiny cassette, send it half way around the
world and know that someone else can hear all of that  when they play it
back
(esp. if they use a nice deck!).

Many of the posters on this list have stressed that enjoying the music is
the
bottom line. I agree wholeheartedly and want to contribute to that
enjoyment. I
think it's really wonderful that Naktalk is so international and (much as I
hate
the term), "multi-cultural." So, by all means lets stay "on topic" and talk
about music, cassettes and the beautiful Naks we love so well. But let's
also
enjoy all of the different perspectives, people and politics that this list
encompasses. Enjoying the music means embracing difference, and I'm happy to
keep doing that.

I'd even consider trading for a tape of "republican" music, though I draw
the
line at Toby Keith ;-)

peace and respect to all of you,
sincerely
Fred Lifton

--- You wrote:
<Gary sed>
--- Excerpt:

What kind of a response do you expect when you insult roughly half of the
people
that read this? Lets keep on topic OK?

Gary


  From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)

I figure that, despite the murderous efforts of our current administration,
probably the best thing Americans can do these days is to reach out across
our
borders and show the world what is good, honorable and true about
 our culture.<<
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From enoyes at snet.net  Tue Apr 13 01:20:43 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:20:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Idler Tire Replacement
In-Reply-To: <12f.3f1be9ba.2dac3bf9@aol.com>
References: <12f.3f1be9ba.2dac3bf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <407B244B.3010303@snet.net>

Those are the ones. At $.49 each they are a bargain! Ed

BADANTH at aol.com wrote:

> I'm looking to order some spare Idler tires and want to make sure 
> these are the right ones. They are from MCM and are as follows:
>
> Manufacturer Part No.:
> 32-5665
> Manufacturer Name:
> MCM
> Part Description:
> IDLER TIRE 14.22 X 9.6 X 2.06
>
> I'm pretty sure these were highly recomended by members of this list 
> but just want to be sure.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
>
>
>
>
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 13 01:42:16 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:42:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
Message-ID: <BAY2-F99QUlWM07wrbZ00039553@hotmail.com>

Hey Brian:

Who stepped on your Glans?.....Who elected you GOD?...The man did nothing 
wrong....maybe a stay in the former Soviet Union is just what you need to 
fully appreciate the meaning of FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!

Lets all move on and stop beating the horse to death!


>From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape trading
>Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:33:52 -0700
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Tue Apr 13 03:22:52 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:22:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Forum
Message-ID: <000a01c420f5$d80f6360$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi All,

Please keep in mind that this forum is graciously hosted as a gathering place for Nakamichi enthusiasts.......it is not a political forum.  Wouter has put a great deal of effort and money into providing this forum for all of our enjoyment.  I'm sure everyone has political views, and opinions on other wide ranging topics as well. But one of the reasons this forum has been so successful, and so helpfull to all of us is that it focuses on Nakamichi and closely related topics.

Incidentally, Wouter does have a PayPal account for those inclined to help out occasionally.

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From ti at amb.org  Tue Apr 13 03:31:52 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] HX PRO
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412145836.01b91140@psulias.psu.edu> from
	"Derrick Beckner" at Apr 12, 2004 02:59:21 PM
Message-ID: <200404130131.BAA19506@amb.org>

Derrick Beckner writes:
> I think this came up a while ago, but what deck would be ideal to buy for 
> HX Pro playback?

HX Pro is a record-only thing.  You can play tapes recorded on a deck
with HX Pro on any deck, whether the playback deck has HX Pro or not.

-Ti
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   2 4 6


From msyoder at border.net  Tue Apr 13 15:28:14 2004
From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:28:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: budget cartridge
Message-ID: <008b01c4215b$3035f6c0$89f4c1cf@jnorris.ttu.edu>

I'm late to this thread about cartridges.  I've heard good things about the
Audio Technica AT95E  if you're talking about the $45-$50 range.  I seem to
recall something about Linn mounting this on their lowest priced turntable
(Basik?) a few years ago.  Another good one that I have used, for around
$70, is the Goldring Elektra.  My current one is the Shure M97xE in my NAD
533 turntable (Rega 2 "clone") and it sounds pretty breathtaking for a $85
cartridge!!

Hope this is the kind of info you're looking for.

Michael Yoder




From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Tue Apr 13 04:15:28 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:15:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
Message-ID: <s07b070a.085@mail.anderson.edu>

Gra'

Amen, brother!  On with the SHO (5-speed), and that's no bull (but it is
a Taurus)!  Back to enjoying the music.

Kent

P.S.  That's a 1995 Ford Taurus SHO (Super High Output) 5-speed MANUAL
transmission, not select-a-slop.

>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 04/12/04 5:56 PM >>>
WOW THERE!  We have enough conflict in the World without it spilling
over
here, too!  We all love sharing our experiences of Nak's and
(personally)
I'm not too bothered if people share their other views off topic, so
long as
it's intelligently or wittily put,but I don't want to share e-mails
flaming
one or another.   C'mon, guys - PEACE or at atleast, let's have a
truce!!

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf
Of Brian Stocker
  Sent: 12 April 2004 23:34
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape trading


  DEAR DOUG,

  STOP WASTING OUR TIME WITH YOUR OFF TOPIC THOUGHTS.  I HATE IT WHEN
SOMEBODY APOLOGIZES AND THEN RESUMES TO DO THAT FOR WHICH THE APOLOGY
REPRESENTS!

  THAT'S LIKE THINKING THAT A GENTLE AIRING OF YOUR PERSONAL INTESTINAL
GASSES CAN ONLY ADD TO A PACKED ELEVATOR!

  Doug Locke wrote:

Hello Fred
Apologies to all for being off subject in the forum, and I would not
like to
add fuel to any fire, but personally I am heartened by the fact that you
have shown that allegiance to your country does not mean "blind
allegiance".
Being a Brit puts me in the strange position of supporting most of the
aims
but in despair at the means and misrepresentations that were made. I
wonder
if the 700 freshly killed people in Fallugia and their relatives are
happy
at being liberated!
Again I will stress that I do not wish to offend anyone, but think that
a
gentle airing of personal views on such an important matter can only add
to
the forum.
Peaceful regards,
Doug Locke.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Fred Lifton
Sent: 12 April 2004 21:39
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape trading


Hello all,
I didn't see Gary's whole post (snipped below), but someone brought it
to my
attention off-list. First of all, I had absolutely no intention of
insulting
anyone. My little aside was a jab at our (US) political leaders, not at
anyone's
personal politics. Indeed, I think it's a sad state of affairs when
political
criticism is automatically viewed as a personal attack. It's not, so
please
don't take it that way.

Moreover, it seems to me that Naktalk is about more than the purely
technical
aspects of Naks and cassette recording. I think part of why we love the
cassette
medium is that it allows self-expression. I love tapes because I can
record
songs on them that reflect me, my life, my views, my place in the world,
my
society. I can put all that on a tiny cassette, send it half way around
the
world and know that someone else can hear all of that  when they play it
back
(esp. if they use a nice deck!).

Many of the posters on this list have stressed that enjoying the music
is
the
bottom line. I agree wholeheartedly and want to contribute to that
enjoyment. I
think it's really wonderful that Naktalk is so international and (much
as I
hate
the term), "multi-cultural." So, by all means lets stay "on topic" and
talk
about music, cassettes and the beautiful Naks we love so well. But let's
also
enjoy all of the different perspectives, people and politics that this
list
encompasses. Enjoying the music means embracing difference, and I'm
happy to
keep doing that.

I'd even consider trading for a tape of "republican" music, though I
draw
the
line at Toby Keith ;-)

peace and respect to all of you,
sincerely
Fred Lifton

--- You wrote:
<Gary sed>
--- Excerpt:

What kind of a response do you expect when you insult roughly half of
the
people
that read this? Lets keep on topic OK?

Gary


  From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)

I figure that, despite the murderous efforts of our current
administration,
probably the best thing Americans can do these days is to reach out
across
our
borders and show the world what is good, honorable and true about
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Tue Apr 13 08:19:12 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:19:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt --Late response..!
Message-ID: <200404130219_MC3-1-7D91-9800@compuserve.com>

Hi Mike,

According to the PRB catalog, only one FRW 10.1is needed for the Nak 600.
For 600ii, there is also OX 5.9 in the list.
You may be able to  order these from action-electronics.com.

_Fuad


Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
>

Hi all,

I'm looking for a complete set of belts for a Nak 600, anybody got any
ideas ??

Thanks
Mike
(British nak appreciation society)


> Sorry for the late response, but I have some useful info for you:
> 
> Couple years ago I have downloaded a software, that finds the equivalent
> belt from PRB (Projector Recorder Belt Corporation) Line. You can search
> for a particular model of a brand (this can be a cassette deck, VCR or
> projector). But this program covers only older models. There is only one
> belt is listed under RX-202 selection, which is FRM 6.1.
> 
> Some of the replacement belts (also tires/idlers) are still available
from
> action-electronics.com.
> 
> I looked up couple other decks:
> LX5 and ZX7: FRM 9.2, SCQ 4.8, SCY 9.0
> 680ZX: same 3 belts + SCY 4.2
> 
> SF area naktalkers may be able to find these belts in local Fry's stores.
I
> have seen the PRB catalog with cross-reference in the Sunnyvale Fry's
store
> as well.
> 
> _Fuad
> 
> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> >
> 
> I tried to measure it as accurately as possible. It's a flat belt with
the
> following dimensions: 
> 
> Outer diameter: 55.4 mm
> 
> Thickness: 0.475 mm
> 
> Width: 5 mm
> 
>  
> 
> I don't know any specific supplier other then the two already mentioned
> here. You can try to search by size at different suppliers, like MCM
> (http://mcm.newark.com/) or so. Let us know if you find something.
> 
>  
> <




From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Tue Apr 13 09:22:39 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:22:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
In-Reply-To: <407B1950.5090509@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCGECCCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

Tsk tsk, SHOUTING VERY LOUDLY DOESNT MAKE YOUR OPINIONS ANY MORE VALID.
My apologies were meant to convey the fact that I understood that my
comments were off subject, but felt that they were still worth making.
I personally hate it when people rant first and think second.

Doug Locke.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Brian Stocker
  Sent: 12 April 2004 23:34
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape trading


  DEAR DOUG,

  STOP WASTING OUR TIME WITH YOUR OFF TOPIC THOUGHTS.  I HATE IT WHEN
SOMEBODY APOLOGIZES AND THEN RESUMES TO DO THAT FOR WHICH THE APOLOGY
REPRESENTS!

  THAT'S LIKE THINKING THAT A GENTLE AIRING OF YOUR PERSONAL INTESTINAL
GASSES CAN ONLY ADD TO A PACKED ELEVATOR!


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From masonmjs at runbox.com  Tue Apr 13 12:14:13 2004
From: masonmjs at runbox.com (Mike Mason)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:14:13 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt --Late response..!
Message-ID: <E1BDKvl-0007ss-Kb@fetch-bak.runbox.com>

_Faud,

Thanks for the information, any chance of sending me the link to the software you mentioned, or is it too old now ??

Also, any information on website addresses for Nak spares would also be welcome, we are a bit isolated over in Europe.

Thanks again
Mike



> Hi Mike,
> 
> According to the PRB catalog, only one FRW 10.1is needed for the Nak 600.
> For 600ii, there is also OX 5.9 in the list.
> You may be able to  order these from action-electronics.com.
> 
> _Fuad
> 
> 
> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> >
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm looking for a complete set of belts for a Nak 600, anybody got any
> ideas ??
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
> (British nak appreciation society)
> 
> 
> > Sorry for the late response, but I have some useful info for you:
> > 
> > Couple years ago I have downloaded a software, that finds the equivalent
> > belt from PRB (Projector Recorder Belt Corporation) Line. You can search
> > for a particular model of a brand (this can be a cassette deck, VCR or
> > projector). But this program covers only older models. There is only one
> > belt is listed under RX-202 selection, which is FRM 6.1.
> > 
> > Some of the replacement belts (also tires/idlers) are still available
> from
> > action-electronics.com.
> > 
> > I looked up couple other decks:
> > LX5 and ZX7: FRM 9.2, SCQ 4.8, SCY 9.0
> > 680ZX: same 3 belts + SCY 4.2
> > 
> > SF area naktalkers may be able to find these belts in local Fry's stores.
> I
> > have seen the PRB catalog with cross-reference in the Sunnyvale Fry's
> store
> > as well.
> > 
> > _Fuad
> > 
> > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> > >
> > 
> > I tried to measure it as accurately as possible. It's a flat belt with
> the
> > following dimensions: 
> > 
> > Outer diameter: 55.4 mm
> > 
> > Thickness: 0.475 mm
> > 
> > Width: 5 mm
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I don't know any specific supplier other then the two already mentioned
> > here. You can try to search by size at different suppliers, like MCM
> > (http://mcm.newark.com/) or so. Let us know if you find something.
> > 
> >  
> > <
> 
> 
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Apr 13 15:25:41 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:25:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
In-Reply-To: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCKEBOCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
References: <21724257@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413091645.01cfcef0@psulias.psu.edu>

You might want to watch the news sometime, the Islamic militias are the one 
who initiated this fight by killing civilians and sniping at soldiers at 
every opportunity.  You've fallen into the Islamic Jihadists trap.  The 
Jihadists provoke the US and allies (or Israel) into retaliation then they 
hide themselves in civilian clothes behind civilian human shields.  Then 
when women and children get killed it's the evil imperialists fault, never 
mind that the Jihadists deliberately orchestrate the deaths of their own 
women and children for P.R. and propoganda points.   They also deliberately 
target non-combat personnel (contractors, Japanese medics, etc).  Get your 
head out of your arse.  You can disagree with the war, that's your right, 
but at least have a intelligent reason to be against it.

Now can you stop with the thinly veiled "apologies", and can we get back to 
tapes.

At 11:09 PM 4/12/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello Fred
>Apologies to all for being off subject in the forum, and I would not like to
>add fuel to any fire, but personally I am heartened by the fact that you
>have shown that allegiance to your country does not mean "blind allegiance".
>Being a Brit puts me in the strange position of supporting most of the aims
>but in despair at the means and misrepresentations that were made. I wonder
>if the 700 freshly killed people in Fallugia and their relatives are happy
>at being liberated!
>Again I will stress that I do not wish to offend anyone, but think that a
>gentle airing of personal views on such an important matter can only add to
>the forum.
>Peaceful regards,
>Doug Locke.



From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Tue Apr 13 16:42:33 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:42:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413091645.01cfcef0@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCMECGCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

Excuse me, but I believe my email was in support of an already expressed
opinion.
May I make the point that as far as I am aware, this forum is not solely for
the use by Americans in favour of every aspect of American foreign policy.
I would welcome the chance to discuss the matter intelligently and look
forward to any posts that do so.
On the subject of tape decks I will freely admit to needing to improve my
knowledge and joined this group to do so, but am offended by being treated
as being unable to understand the complexity of world events and needing an
insulting lecture in order to do so.
Perhaps with your superior appreciation of world events you could clarify
why Iraq was invaded, wasn't there something about liberating the people and
allowing them freedom of choice mentioned somewhere in amongst the rhetoric.
Or is that freedom of choice as long as it is in the "right" direction. What
if the majority of the population want an Islamic state, will you be happy
to see this.
And in case I am labelled as an advocate for Islam, I am a English white
Christian who just happens to care what happens in my name.


With a rather muffled voice deep within my own trousers
Doug Locke.

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: 13 April 2004 14:26
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] tape trading


You might want to watch the news sometime, the Islamic militias are the one
who initiated this fight by killing civilians and sniping at soldiers at
every opportunity.  You've fallen into the Islamic Jihadists trap.  The
Jihadists provoke the US and allies (or Israel) into retaliation then they
hide themselves in civilian clothes behind civilian human shields.  Then
when women and children get killed it's the evil imperialists fault, never
mind that the Jihadists deliberately orchestrate the deaths of their own
women and children for P.R. and propoganda points.   They also deliberately
target non-combat personnel (contractors, Japanese medics, etc).  Get your
head out of your arse.  You can disagree with the war, that's your right,
but at least have a intelligent reason to be against it.

Now can you stop with the thinly veiled "apologies", and can we get back to
tapes.




From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Apr 13 17:20:51 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:20:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Iraq
In-Reply-To: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCMECGCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413091645.01cfcef0@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413104848.01d0e190@psulias.psu.edu>

Yes, sorry, it's only you that are allowed "freedom of speech", so sorry 
for voicing my opinion.
Your off the cuff, oh so smarmy, remark about 700 liberated Iraqis 
warranted an insulting explanation.  If you want an intelligent 
conversation about an issue offer up some less inflamitory remarks.

At any rate, that hopefully behind us, if the Iraqis allow the rebuilding 
process to run its course, allow a political infrastructure to be put into 
place, and democratically elect a party that supports Islamic law, I 
suppose we have no say in the matter.  But right now the US does have a say 
in the matter, which is we don't want some Islamic terrorist to take over 
the country and install another Taliban type dictatorship of the fanatical. 
Closing down a newspaper that is printing calls to arms against Allied 
forces, UN workers, etc, isn't infringing on Freedom of Speech, it's 
keeping the public safety, which is part of the three inalienable rights, 
above that of speech, Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (if you 
want to get technical :) ).

However, Islamic Law, as practiced in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran is 
inherently opposite to whole program of Human Rights that the UN is trying, 
however meekly, to establish.  It's like going back to the 10th Century 
Europe with power-mad popes and marauding inquisitors.  I wouldn't wish 
that on anyone.  There are two serious issues with "Islamic Law".  A) 
Shia's and Shite's have two different interpretations of said laws.  B) I 
can guarantee that democratic elections will disappear, or become farcical 
as soon as it's time for the 2nd election.  This is typical of any "Cult of 
Personality" regime, not just religious ones.  Look at the old Iraq, Iran, 
Turkmenistan.

If it means anything to you, I think using weapons of mass destruction as 
the reason for invading Iraq was Chicken Shit.  There were many legitimate 
reasons to go into Iraq which the UN should have used years before 
now.  Human Rights violations a mile long, attacking US/UK planes, 
violating no-fly zones, openly inciting anti-western violence around the 
world, openly paying off families of Palistinian suicide bombers.  But the 
world "public opinion" could only be mobilized by invoking a threat to 
their own self-interest, not the fact that Hussein had been butchering tens 
of thousands of people a year, nameless, faceless, Iraqi people.  Not 
Americans, Germans of French people, that would have stirred some 
action.  I don't know if the US should be the worlds policeman or not, but 
I can sure as hell tell you the UN should be, and it's doing a pathetic 
job.  Frankly, it would be hard for the UN to be any more ineffective than 
it is.

For the record, I have no beef with Islam, I have a beef with nut-jobs that 
invoke Islam as a call to arms for whatever violent agenda they 
embrace.  Even the lowest KKK white trash would have second thoughts about 
using a church for a weapons depot/fort.  These guys go out of their way to 
put Mosques directly in the line of fire just so they can accuse western 
forces of being "Anti-Muslum".  These fellows aren't dummies when it come 
to manipulating the court of public opinion.

(OK, am I ranting?  probably, sorry).

At 03:42 PM 4/13/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>Excuse me, but I believe my email was in support of an already expressed
>opinion.
>May I make the point that as far as I am aware, this forum is not solely for
>the use by Americans in favour of every aspect of American foreign policy.
>I would welcome the chance to discuss the matter intelligently and look
>forward to any posts that do so.
>On the subject of tape decks I will freely admit to needing to improve my
>knowledge and joined this group to do so, but am offended by being treated
>as being unable to understand the complexity of world events and needing an
>insulting lecture in order to do so.
>Perhaps with your superior appreciation of world events you could clarify
>why Iraq was invaded, wasn't there something about liberating the people and
>allowing them freedom of choice mentioned somewhere in amongst the rhetoric.
>Or is that freedom of choice as long as it is in the "right" direction. What
>if the majority of the population want an Islamic state, will you be happy
>to see this.
>And in case I am labelled as an advocate for Islam, I am a English white
>Christian who just happens to care what happens in my name.
>
>
>With a rather muffled voice deep within my own trousers
>Doug Locke.



From BADANTH at aol.com  Tue Apr 13 18:04:43 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:04:43 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] tape trading
Message-ID: <c.26630cfe.2dad699b@aol.com>

Would anyone like to trade tapes instead of barbs? I'm sorry I asked about 
tape trading and had no idea it was such a political hotbed. I'm talking audio 
music cassettes not video of some terrorist's cry for a war with the world. 
Let's refrain from this ridiculous banter and stick to the topic please.

Thank you,
Anthony

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From bookfairy at rockbridge.net  Tue Apr 13 19:26:10 2004
From: bookfairy at rockbridge.net (bookfairy at rockbridge.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:26:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] blank cassette history website...
Message-ID: <20040413172610781.AAA1648@ns.rockbridge.net@mail.rockbridge.net>

  Inspired by someone's comment to "dig deep into the web" for deals on blank high bias cassettes, I found:
www.dysoplex.com.  
Click on "The BTG" for blank tape guide.  
The author of the website is working on compiling histories and pictures of "all" blank tapes everywhere....
--James Bakner.  



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Apr 13 19:45:26 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:45:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] blank cassette history website...
In-Reply-To: <20040413172610781.AAA1648%ns.rockbridge.net@mail.rockbridg e.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413134237.01d47bc0@psulias.psu.edu>

I have a few of those Denon HD-7s (ranks 2nd all-time according to this 
guy) and they have held up very, very well.  Going on 15 years old and 
still sound great.  They were pretty expensive though, about $3.00 a piece 
in the mid/late-80s.  Also have some tape called a TRIAD which has held up 
pretty well.  Personally I never cared for TDK tapes.

At 01:26 PM 4/13/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>   Inspired by someone's comment to "dig deep into the web" for deals on 
> blank high bias cassettes, I found:
>www.dysoplex.com.
>Click on "The BTG" for blank tape guide.
>The author of the website is working on compiling histories and pictures 
>of "all" blank tapes everywhere....
>--James Bakner.
>
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Penn State Map Library
1 Paterno Library
dgb at psulias.psu.edu
http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/




From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Tue Apr 13 20:19:49 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:19:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Iraq
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413104848.01d0e190@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCAECLCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

The point I was trying to make was that I support whole heartedly any
attempt to bring peace and democracy into a very imperfect world, but the
present tactics of trying to force your view of democracy on someone at the
point of a gun would appear very questionable and unworkable in the long
term.
If you have your child/father/mother/brother blown into small bloody pieces
(just collateral damage? )you must have difficulty in believing that it was
in your best interest.
Say that 50 Islamic militants were "holed" up in an American suburb, would
you condone bombing, shelling and machine gunning the area and killing over
700 American residents? If we accept that the militants are trying to
provoke American forces into killing civilians, then they are being very
successful at the moment!
You maintain that America is being the world's policeman because of the UN's
weakness, I failed to notice any intervention when thousands of Rwandans
were being slaughtered. In this case by the way, all western nations were
culpable, not just America.
The Allied Forces made themselves guardians of the Iraqi people by invading
their country and whether they like it or not have a duty to protect
innocent lives. Dead is dead whoever kills you.
May I also point out that Saddam Hussein put in place a secular state
(albeit admittedly despotic) and actually repressed the Shiite majority in
favour of the Sunni's. America and the UK supported Saddam during the time
he was fighting Iran because he was opposed to an Islamic state. The current
resurgence of Islamic militants in Iraq has only been made possible because
of Saddam's downfall.
In Britain there have been many instances of terrorism over the years with
the IRA bombing our cities and shooting our soldiers, the principal external
source of finance for the IRA during this time was America. Would you
support us sending in helicopter gunships to Northern Ireland and blowing up
republican supporters, or taking out a few troublesome catholic priests
perhaps?

I reiterate, the objectives of making the world more democratic and peaceful
I fully support, but until we show an even handed approach we certainly
cannot claim any moral high ground.

America has the resources to be an incredible force for good in the world,
but I believe that along with the power goes the responsibility to exercise
that power carefully.

Doug Locke.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: 13 April 2004 16:21
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Iraq


Yes, sorry, it's only you that are allowed "freedom of speech", so sorry
for voicing my opinion.
Your off the cuff, oh so smarmy, remark about 700 liberated Iraqis
warranted an insulting explanation.  If you want an intelligent
conversation about an issue offer up some less inflamitory remarks.

At any rate, that hopefully behind us, if the Iraqis allow the rebuilding
process to run its course, allow a political infrastructure to be put into
place, and democratically elect a party that supports Islamic law, I
suppose we have no say in the matter.  But right now the US does have a say
in the matter, which is we don't want some Islamic terrorist to take over
the country and install another Taliban type dictatorship of the fanatical.
Closing down a newspaper that is printing calls to arms against Allied
forces, UN workers, etc, isn't infringing on Freedom of Speech, it's
keeping the public safety, which is part of the three inalienable rights,
above that of speech, Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (if you
want to get technical :) ).

However, Islamic Law, as practiced in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran is
inherently opposite to whole program of Human Rights that the UN is trying,
however meekly, to establish.  It's like going back to the 10th Century
Europe with power-mad popes and marauding inquisitors.  I wouldn't wish
that on anyone.  There are two serious issues with "Islamic Law".  A)
Shia's and Shite's have two different interpretations of said laws.  B) I
can guarantee that democratic elections will disappear, or become farcical
as soon as it's time for the 2nd election.  This is typical of any "Cult of
Personality" regime, not just religious ones.  Look at the old Iraq, Iran,
Turkmenistan.

If it means anything to you, I think using weapons of mass destruction as
the reason for invading Iraq was Chicken Shit.  There were many legitimate
reasons to go into Iraq which the UN should have used years before
now.  Human Rights violations a mile long, attacking US/UK planes,
violating no-fly zones, openly inciting anti-western violence around the
world, openly paying off families of Palistinian suicide bombers.  But the
world "public opinion" could only be mobilized by invoking a threat to
their own self-interest, not the fact that Hussein had been butchering tens
of thousands of people a year, nameless, faceless, Iraqi people.  Not
Americans, Germans of French people, that would have stirred some
action.  I don't know if the US should be the worlds policeman or not, but
I can sure as hell tell you the UN should be, and it's doing a pathetic
job.  Frankly, it would be hard for the UN to be any more ineffective than
it is.

For the record, I have no beef with Islam, I have a beef with nut-jobs that
invoke Islam as a call to arms for whatever violent agenda they
embrace.  Even the lowest KKK white trash would have second thoughts about
using a church for a weapons depot/fort.  These guys go out of their way to
put Mosques directly in the line of fire just so they can accuse western
forces of being "Anti-Muslum".  These fellows aren't dummies when it come
to manipulating the court of public opinion.

(OK, am I ranting?  probably, sorry).




From ti at amb.org  Tue Apr 13 20:48:42 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Please stop OT posts
In-Reply-To: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCAECLCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com> from
	"Doug Locke" at Apr 13, 2004 07:19:49 PM
Message-ID: <200404131848.SAA25633@amb.org>

Gents (and Ladies?),

I am for freedom of speech, but there are many more appropriate
venues for such discussions.  This list is called NAKtalk for a reason.
Sit on your fingers and keep posts on-topic please!

-Ti
-- 
 R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
   2 4 6


From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Apr 13 20:55:25 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:55:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Iraq
In-Reply-To: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCAECLCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413104848.01d0e190@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413142952.01cece40@psulias.psu.edu>

Iraq isn't a democracy yet, and guns are the only instruments these guys 
are going to respond to.  Unfortunately a very small pct of the population 
is making life hell for the vast majority, except the Kurds who seem to be 
going on their merry way with few problems.

I don't think anyone brushes off civilian casualties as collateral damage 
anymore.  The US/UK forces and weapons are specifically built to avoid 
collateral damage and our forces are routinely put into harms way to 
minimize collateral damage.  Otherwise, we'd call in the B-52s and level 
these towns.  End of problem.  The problem terrorist/guerilla groups 
present are that they don't care about civilian casualties, theirs or any 
others, so they deliberately use them to die for propaganda 
benefits.  Would I blame them (guerillas) if I were an Iraqi who was just 
trying to get back to a normal life?  Yep, sure would.  Even if the US/UK 
were over their for the worst possible reason, say stealing Iraqi oil, they 
still wouldn't want to be killing Iraqis or promoting unrest.

Of course the number of civilian casualties varies dramatically. The Iraqis 
claim %95 civilian, the US forces claim %5 civilian. I'm sure the number is 
somewhere in between.

I didn't say the US is being the worlds policeman.   I said I don't know if 
it should be.  Yes, the atrocities in Africa, every day, Yugoslavia, etc 
are terrible, and the UN does nothing, ever.  Even with an African SG, the 
UN does nothing about Africa.  The US does attempt to make a difference 
when it's possible in Africa, which is only when a coastal nation is 
involved (Liberia, Somalia for example), the US cannot access Rwanda or 
Uganda without violating other nations sovreignty, nations that don't 
particularly like us.

I certainly don't condone the IRA;s actions, but that's kind of a chicken 
or the egg debate there, and it seems to be getting resolved.

The whole Iran-Iraq war situation was very complex and fought under 
dramatically different global situations than today.  Yes, we didn't want 
Iran to win the war for a number of reasons, regional stability, the whole 
hostage thing, and the fact that Iran was a Soviet-supported state (which 
by default forced us to support Iraq).  In the early 80s the US was 
fighting to stave off losing the entire middle-east to the Soviets.

At 07:19 PM 4/13/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>The point I was trying to make was that I support whole heartedly any
>attempt to bring peace and democracy into a very imperfect world, but the
>present tactics of trying to force your view of democracy on someone at the
>point of a gun would appear very questionable and unworkable in the long
>term.
>If you have your child/father/mother/brother blown into small bloody pieces
>(just collateral damage? )you must have difficulty in believing that it was
>in your best interest.
>Say that 50 Islamic militants were "holed" up in an American suburb, would
>you condone bombing, shelling and machine gunning the area and killing over
>700 American residents? If we accept that the militants are trying to
>provoke American forces into killing civilians, then they are being very
>successful at the moment!
>You maintain that America is being the world's policeman because of the UN's
>weakness, I failed to notice any intervention when thousands of Rwandans
>were being slaughtered. In this case by the way, all western nations were
>culpable, not just America.
>The Allied Forces made themselves guardians of the Iraqi people by invading
>their country and whether they like it or not have a duty to protect
>innocent lives. Dead is dead whoever kills you.
>May I also point out that Saddam Hussein put in place a secular state
>(albeit admittedly despotic) and actually repressed the Shiite majority in
>favour of the Sunni's. America and the UK supported Saddam during the time
>he was fighting Iran because he was opposed to an Islamic state. The current
>resurgence of Islamic militants in Iraq has only been made possible because
>of Saddam's downfall.
>In Britain there have been many instances of terrorism over the years with
>the IRA bombing our cities and shooting our soldiers, the principal external
>source of finance for the IRA during this time was America. Would you
>support us sending in helicopter gunships to Northern Ireland and blowing up
>republican supporters, or taking out a few troublesome catholic priests
>perhaps?
>
>I reiterate, the objectives of making the world more democratic and peaceful
>I fully support, but until we show an even handed approach we certainly
>cannot claim any moral high ground.
>
>America has the resources to be an incredible force for good in the world,
>but I believe that along with the power goes the responsibility to exercise
>that power carefully.
>
>Doug Locke.



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Apr 13 20:55:47 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:55:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Please stop OT posts
In-Reply-To: <200404131848.SAA25633@amb.org>
References: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCAECLCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413145539.01cb3060@psulias.psu.edu>

OK, sorry.  I'm done.

At 11:48 AM 4/13/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Gents (and Ladies?),
>
>I am for freedom of speech, but there are many more appropriate
>venues for such discussions.  This list is called NAKtalk for a reason.
>Sit on your fingers and keep posts on-topic please!
>
>-Ti
>--
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
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Penn State Map Library
1 Paterno Library
dgb at psulias.psu.edu
http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/




From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Apr 13 21:07:52 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:07:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Please stop OT posts
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413145539.01cb3060@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCAECLCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040413145539.01cb3060@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <407C3A88.1090104@rcn.com>


Aw, all right... Just make sure it doesn't happen again.

-- Ron


Derrick Beckner wrote:
> OK, sorry.  I'm done.
> 
> At 11:48 AM 4/13/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> 
>> Gents (and Ladies?),
>>
>> I am for freedom of speech, but there are many more appropriate
>> venues for such discussions.  This list is called NAKtalk for a reason.
>> Sit on your fingers and keep posts on-topic please!
>>
>> -Ti
>> -- 
>>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>>    2 4 6
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 
>>
> 
> Derrick Beckner
> Maps Specialist
> Penn State Map Library
> 1 Paterno Library
> dgb at psulias.psu.edu
> http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/
>




From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Tue Apr 13 21:42:51 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:42:51 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] back to tapes and music...
Message-ID: <21763125@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From sharpei at verizon.net  Tue Apr 13 21:38:51 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:38:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tape Trading
Message-ID: <407C41CB.2000806@verizon.net>

I would be very interested in trading tape.

I'm looking for U2, King Crimson, and Emerson Lake & Palmer. I would 
prefer tapes made from vinyl.
I have the following - all on vinyl:

the Alan Parsons Project:
Tales of Mystery and Imagination Edgar Allan Poe
Pyramid
The Turn of a Friendly Card
Eye in the Sky
Ammonia Avenue
Vulture Culture
Stereotomy
Gaudi
The Best of
The Best of vol II

The Moody Blues:
Days of Future Passed
In Search of the Lost Chord
On the Threshold of a Dream
To Our Childrens' Children
A Question of Balance
Every Good Boy Deserves Favour
Seventh Sojourn
Long Distance Voyager

Procol Harum:
A Salty Dog
Grand Hotel
The Best of
Procol Harum the Collection - a 2 album set of greatest hits

King Crimson:
In the Court of the Crimson King - just got this one yesterday; its 
surprisingly (very) good !

Mark Barrett
sharpei at verizon.net


From sharpei at verizon.net  Tue Apr 13 21:43:57 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:43:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Substitute for LX-3 Cam Control Motor ?
Message-ID: <407C42FD.7050208@verizon.net>

Folks,

Does anyone know the specs and/or an acceptable substitute motor for the 
early series cam control motor (LX-3/5, 680 series, ZX series, etc) ? 
Jeffrey has some (I'm guessing ) NOS stock spares at ESLabs for $75 
each. I thought maybe a generic Mabuchi or something similar could be 
used in its place. But, I have no idea what all of the specs are for the 
Nak motor. Since its the same part # as the Auto Azimuth/Level adjust 
motors in my 682ZX, I would assume its a DC servomotor, reversible (cw 
and ccw), and 12vdc (?). As for torque and speed; I have no idea. Anyone 
have a guess ?

Mark


From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Apr 13 21:48:50 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:48:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] back to tapes and music...
In-Reply-To: <21763125@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
References: <21763125@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <407C4422.1040608@rcn.com>

Fred Lifton wrote:

> Okay, folks. 
> [.........]
> 
> I have lots of old, recorded on cassettes. In many cases, I think the cassette
> may be worth more than the music contained thereon ("Leonard Nimoy sings" was
> funny the first couple of times...). So, two questions: 
> 1) is there any major sonic degradation when "taping over" an already recorded
> cassette? 

Theoretically, no. In practice, it depends on quality of
erasure prior to re-recording.

> Would it make sense to "erase" the tape first by recording a zero db
> signal?

Yes, but not by recording zero signal -- the result will be
essentially the same as direct re-recording.

However, bulk erasing the cassette will ensure minimum noise
level and zero DC on the resulting blank cassette.

It is important that bulk eraser be done correctly: eraser
switched ON away from cassette, *slowly* brought close, moved
about slowly and smoothly, then slowly and smoothly removed to
a safe distance before switching off.

> 2) For mastering, are "old stock" cassettes really that much
> better than what's available now?

I don't know. I assume it depends on the specific cassettes.

-- Ron






From BADANTH at aol.com  Tue Apr 13 21:54:32 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:54:32 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tape Trading
Message-ID: <1d4.1edea867.2dad9f78@aol.com>

I sent you an email off list...

Anthony

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From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Tue Apr 13 22:01:49 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:01:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Iraq
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413142952.01cece40@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCGECNCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

You refuse to answer the questions.
I reiterate, would you just call it unavoidable if hundreds of American
residents were accidentally killed while your military forces attempted to
overcome a small force of terrorists. Would you be so sanguine and
dismissive if your daughter lay dead on the floor killed by an American
bullet. It is very easy to dismiss someone else's death in far away country.

"The US/UK forces and weapons are specifically built to avoid collateral
damage" is a phrase that is almost obscene in its casual dismissal of the
reality of war. It also means that you believe it is possible to fire
rockets and shells into built up areas without incurring civilian
casualties.

Is there not some small warning bell ringing when only the closest "friend"
of the USA reluctantly supports the current policy but adopts a much softer
approach in the areas it controls. There are some very nasty evil people in
the world, but two wrongs do not make a right.
One major bonus out of this, I can much better understand how the present
situation has arisen and am less surprised by the turn of events.

Perhaps we should just agree to disagree over this and leave the area for
those wishing to talk about tape decks?

Doug Locke.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: 13 April 2004 19:55
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Iraq


Iraq isn't a democracy yet, and guns are the only instruments these guys
are going to respond to.  Unfortunately a very small pct of the population
is making life hell for the vast majority, except the Kurds who seem to be
going on their merry way with few problems.

I don't think anyone brushes off civilian casualties as collateral damage
anymore.  The US/UK forces and weapons are specifically built to avoid
collateral damage and our forces are routinely put into harms way to
minimize collateral damage.  Otherwise, we'd call in the B-52s and level
these towns.  End of problem.  The problem terrorist/guerilla groups
present are that they don't care about civilian casualties, theirs or any
others, so they deliberately use them to die for propaganda
benefits.  Would I blame them (guerillas) if I were an Iraqi who was just
trying to get back to a normal life?  Yep, sure would.  Even if the US/UK
were over their for the worst possible reason, say stealing Iraqi oil, they
still wouldn't want to be killing Iraqis or promoting unrest.

Of course the number of civilian casualties varies dramatically. The Iraqis
claim %95 civilian, the US forces claim %5 civilian. I'm sure the number is
somewhere in between.

I didn't say the US is being the worlds policeman.   I said I don't know if
it should be.  Yes, the atrocities in Africa, every day, Yugoslavia, etc
are terrible, and the UN does nothing, ever.  Even with an African SG, the
UN does nothing about Africa.  The US does attempt to make a difference
when it's possible in Africa, which is only when a coastal nation is
involved (Liberia, Somalia for example), the US cannot access Rwanda or
Uganda without violating other nations sovreignty, nations that don't
particularly like us.

I certainly don't condone the IRA;s actions, but that's kind of a chicken
or the egg debate there, and it seems to be getting resolved.

The whole Iran-Iraq war situation was very complex and fought under
dramatically different global situations than today.  Yes, we didn't want
Iran to win the war for a number of reasons, regional stability, the whole
hostage thing, and the fact that Iran was a Soviet-supported state (which
by default forced us to support Iraq).  In the early 80s the US was
fighting to stave off losing the entire middle-east to the Soviets.

At 07:19 PM 4/13/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>The point I was trying to make was that I support whole heartedly any
>attempt to bring peace and democracy into a very imperfect world, but the
>present tactics of trying to force your view of democracy on someone at the
>point of a gun would appear very questionable and unworkable in the long
>term.
>If you have your child/father/mother/brother blown into small bloody pieces
>(just collateral damage? )you must have difficulty in believing that it was
>in your best interest.
>Say that 50 Islamic militants were "holed" up in an American suburb, would
>you condone bombing, shelling and machine gunning the area and killing over
>700 American residents? If we accept that the militants are trying to
>provoke American forces into killing civilians, then they are being very
>successful at the moment!
>You maintain that America is being the world's policeman because of the
UN's
>weakness, I failed to notice any intervention when thousands of Rwandans
>were being slaughtered. In this case by the way, all western nations were
>culpable, not just America.
>The Allied Forces made themselves guardians of the Iraqi people by invading
>their country and whether they like it or not have a duty to protect
>innocent lives. Dead is dead whoever kills you.
>May I also point out that Saddam Hussein put in place a secular state
>(albeit admittedly despotic) and actually repressed the Shiite majority in
>favour of the Sunni's. America and the UK supported Saddam during the time
>he was fighting Iran because he was opposed to an Islamic state. The
current
>resurgence of Islamic militants in Iraq has only been made possible because
>of Saddam's downfall.
>In Britain there have been many instances of terrorism over the years with
>the IRA bombing our cities and shooting our soldiers, the principal
external
>source of finance for the IRA during this time was America. Would you
>support us sending in helicopter gunships to Northern Ireland and blowing
up
>republican supporters, or taking out a few troublesome catholic priests
>perhaps?
>
>I reiterate, the objectives of making the world more democratic and
peaceful
>I fully support, but until we show an even handed approach we certainly
>cannot claim any moral high ground.
>
>America has the resources to be an incredible force for good in the world,
>but I believe that along with the power goes the responsibility to exercise
>that power carefully.
>
>Doug Locke.

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From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Tue Apr 13 22:09:29 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:09:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Iraq
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040413142952.01cece40@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCMECOCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

Having read the other emails, look forward to the chance for a specific area
for discussion.
Will keep quiet on this from now on.
Doug locke.



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Apr 13 23:05:11 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:05:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Substitute for LX-3 Cam Control Motor ?
In-Reply-To: <407C42FD.7050208@verizon.net>
References: <407C42FD.7050208@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <407C5607.80906@rcn.com>

Mark & Michelle Barrett wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> Does anyone know the specs and/or an acceptable substitute motor for the 
> early series cam control motor (LX-3/5, 680 series, ZX series, etc) ? 
> Jeffrey has some (I'm guessing ) NOS stock spares at ESLabs for $75 
> each. I thought maybe a generic Mabuchi or something similar could be 
> used in its place. But, I have no idea what all of the specs are for the 
> Nak motor. Since its the same part # as the Auto Azimuth/Level adjust 
> motors in my 682ZX, I would assume its a DC servomotor, reversible (cw 
> and ccw), and 12vdc (?). As for torque and speed; I have no idea. Anyone 
> have a guess ?
> 

I would venture a guess that it's a 12VDC motor (not servo).
Reversible, of course (since it's a DC motor, this is true,
almost by definition). Torque and speed are not that critical.
(If the old one is electrically viable, you can measure
resistance and inductance and try to come close with the
substitute.) Size and correct mounting screw locations are.
Such a motor, from Mabuchi or similar, would cost about a buck
apiece in 100 quantity.

Many motors can be rebuilt to last another life time. I have
successfully rebuilt several control motors from Sankyo
transports. I was not that lucky with reel motors -- about half
could not be resurrected.

-- Ron




From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Apr 14 07:04:43 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:04:43 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Iraq
References: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCMECOCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c421de$00453b50$24773242@CopyTech>

About time, my friend. THANKS.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Locke" <doug at whiteapple.u-net.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Iraq


> Having read the other emails, look forward to the chance for a specific
area
> for discussion.
> Will keep quiet on this from now on.
> Doug locke.
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Apr 14 07:05:45 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:05:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Please stop OT posts
References: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCAECLCEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040413145539.01cb3060@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <003901c421de$2540da40$24773242@CopyTech>

Thank you. It was getting very annoying for many in this list.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Please stop OT posts


> OK, sorry.  I'm done.
>
> At 11:48 AM 4/13/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >Gents (and Ladies?),
> >
> >I am for freedom of speech, but there are many more appropriate
> >venues for such discussions.  This list is called NAKtalk for a reason.
> >Sit on your fingers and keep posts on-topic please!
> >
> >-Ti
> >--
> >  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
> >  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
> >    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
> >    2 4 6
>
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>
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> 1 Paterno Library
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> http://www.libraries.psu.edu/maps/
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Wed Apr 14 07:55:34 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:55:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt --Late response..!
Message-ID: <200404140155_MC3-1-7DF1-850D@compuserve.com>

Hi Mike,

I can mail you the installation program (790KB) if you wish, you (or anyone
who is interested) can contact me offline. It is a DOS based program and
did not work on my laptop, but runs fine on my old win95 PC. 

Sorry, but I am not really familiar with any resources, other than the ones
mentioned on naktalk. You can also search the archives for the European
resources. 

Thanks,
_Fuad

Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
>

_Faud,

Thanks for the information, any chance of sending me the link to the
software you mentioned, or is it too old now ??

Also, any information on website addresses for Nak spares would also be
welcome, we are a bit isolated over in Europe.

Thanks again
Mike



> Hi Mike,
> 
> According to the PRB catalog, only one FRW 10.1is needed for the Nak 600.
> For 600ii, there is also OX 5.9 in the list.
> You may be able to  order these from action-electronics.com.
> 
> _Fuad
> 
> 
> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> >
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm looking for a complete set of belts for a Nak 600, anybody got any
> ideas ??
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
> (British nak appreciation society)
> 
> 
> > Sorry for the late response, but I have some useful info for you:
> > 
> > Couple years ago I have downloaded a software, that finds the
equivalent
> > belt from PRB (Projector Recorder Belt Corporation) Line. You can
search
> > for a particular model of a brand (this can be a cassette deck, VCR or
> > projector). But this program covers only older models. There is only
one
> > belt is listed under RX-202 selection, which is FRM 6.1.
> > 
> > Some of the replacement belts (also tires/idlers) are still available
> from
> > action-electronics.com.
> > 
> > I looked up couple other decks:
> > LX5 and ZX7: FRM 9.2, SCQ 4.8, SCY 9.0
> > 680ZX: same 3 belts + SCY 4.2
> > 
> > SF area naktalkers may be able to find these belts in local Fry's
stores.
> I
> > have seen the PRB catalog with cross-reference in the Sunnyvale Fry's
> store
> > as well.
> > 
> > _Fuad
> > 
> > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> > >
> > 
> > I tried to measure it as accurately as possible. It's a flat belt with
> the
> > following dimensions: 
> > 
> > Outer diameter: 55.4 mm
> > 
> > Thickness: 0.475 mm
> > 
> > Width: 5 mm
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I don't know any specific supplier other then the two already mentioned
> > here. You can try to search by size at different suppliers, like MCM
> > (http://mcm.newark.com/) or so. Let us know if you find something.
> > 
> >  
> > <
> <



From masonmjs at runbox.com  Wed Apr 14 08:26:23 2004
From: masonmjs at runbox.com (Mike Mason)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:26:23 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] blank cassette history website...
Message-ID: <E1BDdqp-0000YC-WE@fetch-bak.runbox.com>

Nice one James, looks like very interesting reading, and very helpfull for verifying the authenticity of so-called 'classic' cassettes.  Needless to say, it's on my Favourites list now.

Thanks
Mike



>   Inspired by someone's comment to "dig deep into the web" for deals on blank high bias cassettes, I found:
> www.dysoplex.com.  
> Click on "The BTG" for blank tape guide.  
> The author of the website is working on compiling histories and pictures of "all" blank tapes everywhere....
> --James Bakner.  
> 
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From masonmjs at runbox.com  Wed Apr 14 08:28:57 2004
From: masonmjs at runbox.com (Mike Mason)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:28:57 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK CR2A Belt --Late response..!
Message-ID: <E1BDdtJ-0002kV-V5@odie.runbox.com>

Hi Faud,

Yes that would be great thanks - email address is masonmjs at runbox.com

Thanks
Mike


> Hi Mike,
> 
> I can mail you the installation program (790KB) if you wish, you (or anyone
> who is interested) can contact me offline. It is a DOS based program and
> did not work on my laptop, but runs fine on my old win95 PC. 
> 
> Sorry, but I am not really familiar with any resources, other than the ones
> mentioned on naktalk. You can also search the archives for the European
> resources. 
> 
> Thanks,
> _Fuad
> 
> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> >
> 
> _Faud,
> 
> Thanks for the information, any chance of sending me the link to the
> software you mentioned, or is it too old now ??
> 
> Also, any information on website addresses for Nak spares would also be
> welcome, we are a bit isolated over in Europe.
> 
> Thanks again
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi Mike,
> > 
> > According to the PRB catalog, only one FRW 10.1is needed for the Nak 600.
> > For 600ii, there is also OX 5.9 in the list.
> > You may be able to  order these from action-electronics.com.
> > 
> > _Fuad
> > 
> > 
> > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> > >
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm looking for a complete set of belts for a Nak 600, anybody got any
> > ideas ??
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Mike
> > (British nak appreciation society)
> > 
> > 
> > > Sorry for the late response, but I have some useful info for you:
> > > 
> > > Couple years ago I have downloaded a software, that finds the
> equivalent
> > > belt from PRB (Projector Recorder Belt Corporation) Line. You can
> search
> > > for a particular model of a brand (this can be a cassette deck, VCR or
> > > projector). But this program covers only older models. There is only
> one
> > > belt is listed under RX-202 selection, which is FRM 6.1.
> > > 
> > > Some of the replacement belts (also tires/idlers) are still available
> > from
> > > action-electronics.com.
> > > 
> > > I looked up couple other decks:
> > > LX5 and ZX7: FRM 9.2, SCQ 4.8, SCY 9.0
> > > 680ZX: same 3 belts + SCY 4.2
> > > 
> > > SF area naktalkers may be able to find these belts in local Fry's
> stores.
> > I
> > > have seen the PRB catalog with cross-reference in the Sunnyvale Fry's
> > store
> > > as well.
> > > 
> > > _Fuad
> > > 
> > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I tried to measure it as accurately as possible. It's a flat belt with
> > the
> > > following dimensions: 
> > > 
> > > Outer diameter: 55.4 mm
> > > 
> > > Thickness: 0.475 mm
> > > 
> > > Width: 5 mm
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I don't know any specific supplier other then the two already mentioned
> > > here. You can try to search by size at different suppliers, like MCM
> > > (http://mcm.newark.com/) or so. Let us know if you find something.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > <
> > <
> 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Apr 14 08:49:52 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:49:52 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] blank cassette history website...
Message-ID: <s07cfb3c.032@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Brilliant!!!!

Well done James....I'll visit this shortly!!

Marc

>>> bookfairy at rockbridge.net 04/13/04 07:26PM >>>
  Inspired by someone's comment to "dig deep into the web" for deals on blank high bias cassettes, I found:
www.dysoplex.com.  
Click on "The BTG" for blank tape guide.  
The author of the website is working on compiling histories and pictures of "all" blank tapes everywhere....
--James Bakner.  

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From bobf at oodg.net  Wed Apr 14 02:38:40 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:38:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F46J3GOeym8YhA00003c9c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200404140037.ASV88261@ms9.netsolmail.com>

I looked at selling my Nak stack but it would bring only 
$2k-$3k.  And for that I could not possibly come close to the
quality in a through the home system.  So I will use the PA-7 to
drive the Martin Logans in my living room and for the rest of the
house I have a cheaper 12 channel amp.  And since the Nak allows me 
selections of outputs and inputs I get all the features for only
the cost of the 12 channel amp.  

And as you say the best of all is one remote code does it all.


Bob
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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of neil lipes
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 07:02
To: naktalk at naks.com; dbqer at yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R

Bob:

Looking back I wish I had kept the Nak PA-7 and Ca-7A...but I needed the
money to trade up to Audio Research gear..which I've been thrilled
with...but the cosmetic look and feel of the Nak gear is without equal...and
the ability of remote control was NICE! and truth be told..the sound was far
from shabby! Those Nak amps are now collector items in mint condition .....


>From: "Bob Folline" <bobf at oodg.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R
>Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:15:03 -0700
>
>Same impact here using my Nakamichi 7 series stack.
>PA7A Stasis AMP
>CA7A-II
>etc.
>
>Driving Martin Logan Quests.  It drives you out of the house before it 
>runs out of power.  But it puts out a tremendous amount of heat so if 
>you don't have a fan on it you can trip the thermal overload after 
>about a half hour.
>
>I have been using this since 1984 with only a broken output terminal 
>and finally a bad power relay on the PA7 as issues.
>
>Now I am replacing the entire setup with Proceed gear in my theatre.
>My Nakamichi will now provide through the house music.  Should sound 
>nice if I can ever finish things.
>
>Bob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On 
>Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 06:54
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stasis, Yamaha, Luxman, B&K, FM, CD-R
>
>I still use my TA-2A amp section (use a different pre).  It's 50 watts 
>would out drive other units triple the wattage from Onkyo, Luxman, 
>Yamaha, Sony, Denon etc.  Very clean sound at low output too.  With 
>Klipsch speakers, I've never had to use anywhere near the max output, 
>and rarely even use 1/2 (only when the wife is out of the house).  14 
>years and still going strong.
>
>At 10:03 PM 4/7/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >I remember my experiences with TA-2A and TA-4A receivers while 
> >shopping for new gear in 1989. I was comparing TA-4A to Adcom 545/500
> >(Amp/Tuner-PreAmp) Combo, and TA-2A to Adcom 535/500. In both cases I 
> >prefered the sound of Nakamchi gear.
> >
> >I remember at the time I already had very sweet sounding, yet even 
> >more inefficient Magnepan speakers, and these [Adcom and Nakamichi] 
> >were the least expensive "high current" units that could drive them. 
> >I do not know the numbers, but relatively more expensive recivers 
> >from Denon or Yamaha, with twice the power rating of Nakamichi, 
> >simply did not have enough current to drive these speakers.
> >
> >At the end I settled for TA-2A, [TA-4A was better, but twice the 
> >cost] and, sound-wise, it served me very well for several years. Now 
> >I use its tuner section with my bedroom gear. It is a very decent 
> >tuner. As far as tuners go, I found that the antena makes a huge 
> >difference. My Yamaha 992 receiver is hooked up to a large external 
> >antena, and it seems to make the
> >992 the best sounding tuner in the house.
> >
> >Stan
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Wed Apr 14 11:03:50 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:03:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3 Substitute Control Cam Motor
Message-ID: <1081933429.3294.16.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-248-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>

Ron,

I have a bit of electronics experience at rebuilding and in a previous
career, extensive experience with motors and generators. How would a
person go about rebuilding a small DC motor (like a Nak control cam
motor or auto azimuth/level adjust motor) ? are there kits available ?

Mark



From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com  Wed Apr 14 14:37:15 2004
From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:37:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tape Trading
Message-ID: <D594367B02A8994A92A6B36C734CFA610FCF84@uec16.ue.com>

hey Mark,
dont be afraid to try any of the King Crimson albums. they're way out they're &
are still making great music today.
enjoy,
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark & Michelle Barrett [mailto:sharpei at verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tape Trading



I'm looking for U2, King Crimson, and Emerson Lake & Palmer. I would 
prefer tapes made from vinyl.
I have the following - all on vinyl:


...King Crimson:
In the Court of the Crimson King - just got this one yesterday; its 
surprisingly (very) good !

Mark Barrett
sharpei at verizon.net


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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Wed Apr 14 15:07:18 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:07:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback Settings...
Message-ID: <002c01c42221$6b671780$501b0cd0@r7g1f8>

Some help please:

On my 680ZX it has L and R input/record levels plus a "master".  I have "played around with the settings and set the L and R at about 3pm and then I reduce the "master" to about two pm.  Does this sound right? or is there a better method.

I usually record with dolby and then playback without.

On playback, I crank the output pot to about 4pm and then reduce the volume with the preamp volume control.  Does these methods sound like GAP (generally accepted procedures?)  I'm open to all suggestions.  I tend to make my recordings a little on the "hot" side, that is to say into the 0 to 3-4-5+ range.


Also-A belated thanks to whom ever put the Telarc prerecorded tape sale website info on parade.  I bought several and they're just great for the price.  Brings me back!!!

Randall in Seattle
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Apr 14 15:20:04 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:20:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3 Substitute Control Cam Motor
In-Reply-To: <1081933429.3294.16.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-248-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>
References: <1081933429.3294.16.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-248-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>
Message-ID: <407D3A84.8080301@rcn.com>

Mark C. Barrett wrote:
> Ron,
> 
> I have a bit of electronics experience at rebuilding and in a previous
> career, extensive experience with motors and generators. How would a
> person go about rebuilding a small DC motor (like a Nak control cam
> motor or auto azimuth/level adjust motor) ? are there kits available ?
> 
> Mark

In a nutshell: take the motor apart, clean, lubricate
and reassemble. No kit necessary.

The Sankyo motor is held together with two bent tabs.
Take apart by bending them up and pulling the rear cover
and rotor out. Make absolutely sure that it can be
reassembled in exactly the same way: mark red dot
location, cover orientation, etc.

Once out, carefully spring the brushes away from the
commutator and separate back cover from rotor. Note
exact location of brushes with respect to rotor.

Clean commutator until bright and shiny. I do this by
clamping the rotor in a drill, pressing a pad of 0000
steel wool on segments while rotating at medium speed.
I then clean *thoroughly*, making sure no steel wool
shavings remain. Let bearings soak in some light oil.
Spray commutator with contact cleaner with lubricant.
Reassemble exactly as it was.

Whole thing takes 10 - 15 minutes.

-- Ron




From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Apr 14 17:39:34 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:39:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Record and Playback Settings...
Message-ID: <s07d7769.027@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Randall,

I have (amongst others) a 682ZX and as a machine, it should behave very similarly to your deck. Firstly, there should be no need to encode with Dolby (B in your case) and then encode/playback without.  Although, you get a 10dB lift in the HF, it is only lifts to signals of low amplitude.  As a consequence, this raises the noise floor quite a lot and reduces the effective dynamic range.  Additionally, Nakamichi Dolby systems are so well implemented that there should be no need to use this approach as a panacea for HF losses during encoding.  In fact, many users find the effects of the Nak EQ and the fine dolby NR, when used as intended (record and playback with  the same dolby settings) to result in playback either imperceptible from the original source, or slightly brighter.

To a large extent this matter can be managed (if you prefer a slightly livelier playback) by selecting a tape type that verges on the side of brightness or "vivid" (if that is a preference).  In this case, I would recommend Maxell XLII-S, TDK SA-X or the new pro version SM-X, Sony UX-S as examples.  Also a nice fresh sounding type one would be TDK AD.  Help us out, what tape type are you using?

I have never found specific combinations of the L/R channel level controls and the master to be better or worse than another and yours sound fine to me.  I'm referring to the possibility of changes or increases in noise levels from the electronics of the machine - but none detected on headphones (recording a zero signal and playing back and/or switching between sources and tape on the front panel.

Finally, I think that, unless you are recording with metal tape, your rec levels may be on the high side.  You need to avoid any possibility of high frequency distortion as most cassettes take lass treble than mid/bass before they saturate/distort.  Metal in general will take more of a hammering and Nak heads are the best type to get this job done.  There are a handful of tapes that will take punishing levels before showing any stress (or the deck flames out first!!!) for instance either Sony Metal Master or Super Metal Master probably have no peers in this respect.  For the best results with most tapes and especially type Is and IIs, allow the peaks to reach 0dB.  Metals will tolerate your high levels in general!!

When playing back, increase output from the tape deck as you're doing, and pull back on the amp.  4 o'clock is max or close to max.

Enjoy the music (a bit of plagiarism from one of our members!!!)

Marc



>>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 04/14/04 03:07PM >>>
Some help please:

On my 680ZX it has L and R input/record levels plus a "master".  I have "played around with the settings and set the L and R at about 3pm and then I reduce the "master" to about two pm.  Does this sound right? or is there a better method.

I usually record with dolby and then playback without.

On playback, I crank the output pot to about 4pm and then reduce the volume with the preamp volume control.  Does these methods sound like GAP (generally accepted procedures?)  I'm open to all suggestions.  I tend to make my recordings a little on the "hot" side, that is to say into the 0 to 3-4-5+ range.


Also-A belated thanks to whom ever put the Telarc prerecorded tape sale website info on parade.  I bought several and they're just great for the price.  Brings me back!!!

Randall in Seattle

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Apr 15 04:33:15 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:33:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] magnetic bulk tape erasure
Message-ID: <11747-407DF46B-836@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>

hi,thanks for the post on erasing.i just two days ago got a old vintage
realistic tape eraser mint in the original box(for 1.00!) and i was
really happy to see that topic posted.Can i Use this to "DEGAUSS" my
tape heads?does anyone here do that to their Naks?,

thank you very much,
gerald



From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Thu Apr 15 19:14:36 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:14:36 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] tape erasers
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 15 22:03:56 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:03:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
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Message-ID: <20040415200356.10141.qmail@web80805.mail.yahoo.com>


Hello Naktalkers,

Has any of you used TDK AM cassette tape? I tried to get some information from their technical support without any success. Back in the 90's TDK used to produce the AR series which was type 1 tape and had excellent MOL, SOL and signal/noise. You could easily record up to +7db reference dolby 0. I am hoping that their AM series has the same quality, unlike the D series which is good only for voice recording.

Kind Regards,

Dariush.

		
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From calijente at gmx.net  Thu Apr 15 22:10:55 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:10:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape erasers
In-Reply-To: <21845903@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <000f01c42325$c386ccd0$137cce80@Tweezzy>

I have no experience with this particular one. I just want to point out
that, technically speaking, this is "wave a wand", too. You erase the tape
not by keeping it in there, but by sliding it in and out.

Cheers,
Gabe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Lifton
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:55 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] tape erasers
> 
> 
> So I've found several commercial "tape erasers" on the web. 
> They mostly appear to be "stick the tape in" sort of devices 
> rather than "wave a wand" sort of devices. Here's one 
> example: http://www.datadev.com/qm230.html
> 
> Would a device like this be the best way to go for audio applications?
> 
> BTW, still working on setting up a "politics and music" forum 
> for interested nakkers. Stay tuned...
> 
> regards,
> Fred 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Apr 15 22:49:45 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:49:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
Message-ID: <a220418a224ec6.a224ec6a220418@vsnl.net>

Surprisingly TDK D tape can produce spectacular results on Naks - I have used that tape on CR 7 with great results to record FM programs in India. I used 70uSec equalization to reduce non dolby response to have lower noise. If use Dolby C this tape can produce unbelievable results on a Nak CR 7 / Dragon or such bias / level calibrating types of Naks! Only short coming of this tape is inability to take higher peaks like Metals!
kannan


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Has any of you used TDK AM cassette tape? I tried to get some information from their technical support without any success. Back in the 90's TDK used to produce the AR series which was type 1 tape and had excellent MOL, SOL and signal/noise. You could easily record up to +7db reference dolby 0. I am hoping that their AM series has the same quality, unlike the D series which is good only for voice recording.

Kind Regards,

Dariush.

		
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<P>Has any of you used TDK AM cassette tape? I tried to get some information from their technical support without any success. Back in the 90's TDK used to produce the AR series which was type 1 tape and had excellent MOL, SOL and signal/noise. You could easily record up to +7db reference dolby 0. I am hoping that their AM series has the same quality, unlike the D series which is good only for voice recording.</P>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri Apr 16 00:26:16 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:26:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] tape erasers
In-Reply-To: <21845903@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
References: <21845903@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <407F0C08.1070705@rcn.com>

Fred Lifton wrote:
> So I've found several commercial "tape erasers" on the web. They mostly appear
> to be "stick the tape in" sort of devices rather than "wave a wand" sort of
> devices. Here's one example:
> http://www.datadev.com/qm230.html
> Would a device like this be the best way to go for audio applications?

I wouldn't recommend it. It appears it erases with
permanent magnets; meaning, it essentially records DC on
your tape.

Better erasers are plugged into the AC line and use 60Hz
(or 50Hz, for out friends across the pond) magnetic field
to erase with AC. If you remove the cassette from the
magnetic field slowly before switching the demagnetizer
off, the cassette is left with close to zero magnetization,
ensuring lowest possible noise and distortion for subsequent
recordings.

I use the Rat Shack 'heavy duty' bulk eraser. It does a
reasonable job -- even with 1/2" video tape.

> BTW, still working on setting up a "politics and music" forum for interested
> nakkers. Stay tuned...

I am doing my best to stay away. Please don't get me started  :-).

-- Ron

> 
> regards,
> Fred




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Apr 16 01:35:36 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:35:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
In-Reply-To: <a220418a224ec6.a224ec6a220418@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000201c42342$5a9bf340$a6d9883e@oemcomputer>

I concur.  Indeed, in my opinion, TDK reproduces bass as well as most metals
and BETTER than TDK SA..  However, as Kannan says, it can't hack it on the
high peaks.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 15 April 2004 21:50
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
>
>
> Surprisingly TDK D tape can produce spectacular results on Naks -
> I have used that tape on CR 7 with great results to record FM
> programs in India. I used 70uSec equalization to reduce non dolby
> response to have lower noise. If use Dolby C this tape can
> produce unbelievable results on a Nak CR 7 / Dragon or such bias
> / level calibrating types of Naks! Only short coming of this tape
> is inability to take higher peaks like Metals!
> kannan
>
>
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>
> Hello Naktalkers,
>
> Has any of you used TDK AM cassette tape? I tried to get some
> information from their technical support without any success.
> Back in the 90's TDK used to produce the AR series which was type
> 1 tape and had excellent MOL, SOL and signal/noise. You could
> easily record up to +7db reference dolby 0. I am hoping that
> their AM series has the same quality, unlike the D series which
> is good only for voice recording.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Dariush.
>
>
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> Back in the 90's TDK used to produce the AR series which was type
> 1 tape and had excellent MOL, SOL and signal/noise. You could
> easily record up to +7db reference dolby 0. I am hoping that
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From enoyes at snet.net  Fri Apr 16 04:04:10 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:04:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3 Substitute Control Cam Motor
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References: <1081933429.3294.16.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-248-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>
Message-ID: <407F3F1A.1000403@snet.net>

Hi Mark, The main problem is simply carbon build up from the commutators 
to the copper brushes located on the shaft behind the wire coils. 
Eventually the build up becomes bad to the point where continuity is 
lost in places and the motor becomes intermittent due to dead spots. If 
you pry back the tabs on the back of the motor, you can pull the nylon 
back plate off and the whole internal assembly as well. Then it's just a 
matter of cleaning up the copper plates really well until they are shiny 
and new looking. As long as it's apart, it's always a good idea to oil 
the front and back bearings too. It all goes back together the opposite 
of how it came apart and should be like new when you're done!

Ed

Mark C. Barrett wrote:

>Ron,
>
>I have a bit of electronics experience at rebuilding and in a previous
>career, extensive experience with motors and generators. How would a
>person go about rebuilding a small DC motor (like a Nak control cam
>motor or auto azimuth/level adjust motor) ? are there kits available ?
>
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Apr 16 04:16:42 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:16:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers
Message-ID: <18919-407F420A-3523@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

hi,is it ok to use those cheap radio shack tape head demagnetizers in
the Nak.? is it really necessary to demagnetize about once a month or
more?anybody have info. on Degausser machines?

thank you very much,
gerald



From ti at amb.org  Fri Apr 16 05:14:17 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] tape head demagnetizers
In-Reply-To: <18919-407F420A-3523@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net> from "Gerald
	G." at Apr 15, 2004 09:16:42 PM
Message-ID: <200404160314.DAA13762@amb.org>

Gerald G. writes:
> hi,is it ok to use those cheap radio shack tape head demagnetizers in
> the Nak.?

Yes, they work just fine.

> is it really necessary to demagnetize about once a month or
> more?anybody have info. on Degausser machines?

How often you need to demagnetize depends on how much you use the
machine.

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From peterschwartzman at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 16 07:02:14 2004
From: peterschwartzman at yahoo.com (Peter Schwartzman)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Quality of "Cassette Deck 2"... Orange Caps?
Message-ID: <20040416050214.20239.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com>

How does this deck shake out compared to others in the Nak line?  One big question I have is whether this deck has any of the dreaded orange caps that must be replaced.  Thanks, Peter S.

		
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri Apr 16 12:59:53 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:59:53 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] BX 2 Recommendation
Message-ID: <a0.a44fb92.2db116a9@aol.com>

Does anyone have one of these and would you recommend it as a second or third 
deck? How are they to maintain and how do they perform?

Thanks,
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Apr 16 17:40:47 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:40:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-2 Pressure Pad Lifter ??
Message-ID: <407FFE7F.5070306@verizon.net>

Hi All,

Looking thru the Naks database at the MR series; the MR-2 is listed as 
having the pressure pad lifter. Is this on the level ?
I thought only the double capstan Naks had the pressure pad lifter (?).

Mark


From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Apr 16 17:51:04 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:51:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 for Trade
Message-ID: <408000E8.6010509@verizon.net>

Hi All,

I have a Nak TD-700 that I bought a year ago. I'm looking to trade it 
for a LX-3 or LX-5 in good condition. I would also consider a CR-3A, 
MR-1, or BX-300.
I replaced the belts in the TD-700 last summer, aligned it, and stuck it 
in my '94 Jetta. I then took it out of the Jetta in October just before 
trading my '94 Jetta in on a new '03 Jetta TDI. The deck has been stored 
in an Eclipse box since. The original wiring harness is gone, but, 
there's enough wiring to hook it up properly. It worked great in my '94 
Jetta. I thought I would see if any of my fellow Nakkers were interested 
before posting it for trade on rec.audio.marketplace and then the eBay 
thing. Email me if interested.
Maybe this is not the proper venue for this; if so, I apologize.

Mark
sharpei at verizon.net


From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 16 23:30:57 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:30:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Cheap High quality tapes!
In-Reply-To: <1081329251.3298.19.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-255-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20040416213057.88810.qmail@web80805.mail.yahoo.com>


Hello Naktalkers,

Check this site:

www.tapewarehouse.com

They have Fuji Z11 for $1.39! Also TDK SA, AM, SAX,... going cheap while stock lasts.

Regards,

Dariush.

		
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From thsinclair at localdial.com  Sat Apr 17 00:49:20 2004
From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:49:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
References: <20040415200356.10141.qmail@web80805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002601c42405$0ff075f0$ca8ee2c3@fredporter>

I disagree that TDK 'D' is only good for voice recording.  It can be fine with music - on the right machine.

Sinclair
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:03 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.


  Hello Naktalkers,

  Has any of you used TDK AM cassette tape? I tried to get some information from their technical support without any success. Back in the 90's TDK used to produce the AR series which was type 1 tape and had excellent MOL, SOL and signal/noise. You could easily record up to +7db reference dolby 0. I am hoping that their AM series has the same quality, unlike the D series which is good only for voice recording.

  Kind Regards,

  Dariush.



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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 17 01:13:31 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:13:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
In-Reply-To: <002601c42405$0ff075f0$ca8ee2c3@fredporter>
Message-ID: <20040416231331.80821.qmail@web80806.mail.yahoo.com>

My statement was relative. TDK SAX or TDK MA typically have at least 10 more db dynamic range. This is caused by higher modulation noise and lower MOL/SOL in TDK D. Hence it is not good for recoding high dynamic range music like classical.
 
Dariush.
 
 
Sinclair Forrest <thsinclair at localdial.com> wrote:
I disagree that TDK 'D' is only good for voice recording.  It can be fine with music - on the right machine.
 
Sinclair
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To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.



Hello Naktalkers,

Has any of you used TDK AM cassette tape? I tried to get some information from their technical support without any success. Back in the 90's TDK used to produce the AR series which was type 1 tape and had excellent MOL, SOL and signal/noise. You could easily record up to +7db reference dolby 0. I am hoping that their AM series has the same quality, unlike the D series which is good only for voice recording.

Kind Regards,

Dariush.


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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Apr 17 04:22:44 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:22:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Vintage 1979 $1800.00 list OPTONICA RT-6905 Cassette Deck
Message-ID: <16697-408094F4-1069@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

I just HAD to run this by the greatest Nakkers.As I was "perusing"  an
olden issue of POP. SCI. dated DEC.1979;amongst the  faboulous nostalic
ads for Bone Phones and Vintage computerized games(i have a collection)
ETC.,I came upon this article referencing  an $1800.00 list price
cassette deck made by OPTONICA.it looks like a 1000     ZXL clone.here
is what the article says;.."Its got enough controls to confuse an
astronaut,but this programmable cassette deck doesn't need your help.It
holds up to a weeeks worth of play/record times handles Metal or
Conventional tape,and evensearches for a particular song."-If anyone
wants a E-mail pic of this deck i will beglad to send one.thanks

thank you very much,
gerald



From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Sat Apr 17 05:18:52 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:18:52 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Vintage 1979 $1800.00 list OPTONICA RT-6905 Cassette
	Deck
Message-ID: <8a.886882b.2db1fc1c@aol.com>

Hi Gerald,   A pic of this beauty will be appreciated!  Thanks for letting us 
know!   I have never heard about it!  

Best Regards!
Ali
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Apr 17 08:13:14 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:13:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
Message-ID: <s080e736.008@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Dariush,

TDK D is a repectable type 1 with a reliable mechanism (with inner and outer shell reinforcement ribs since 1991 - could be the IIC) and a very durable tape itself.

It has a quite a fresh, upbeat, vital sound and delivers consistent figures under test, although the fomulation has changed quite often over the years.  As a bog standard type 1, I would rate it ahead of Sony HF and slightly ahead for most applications of Maxell UR.  Of course it depends how you use it and whether you calibrate the deck to the type.  It's streets ahead of it's own sibling, the "B", which I would regard as TDK 'voice' grade type I.  Actually, I find D very good for recording commercial (often quite compressed) music without dolby!!

However, your point that D is no match for SA-X or MA from the same stable is clear.  If the figures don't speak for themselves, which they always should to an extent (sensitivity, max treble level, max bass/mid, dynamic range etc) then listening immediately will.  SA-X and metals in general are serious Nak-food.

Have a great weekend!!

Marc

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From bluesky246 at comcast.net  Sat Apr 17 01:06:46 2004
From: bluesky246 at comcast.net (bluesky246)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:06:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 100
Message-ID: <000801c42407$7e7d04f0$0a00a8c0@MOO>

I just bought a nak bx 100 for a few dollars, got it home and it ate my tapes, worked very poorly.  I cleaned the heads and the rollers but no good.

I thought it might be the belt but seems real hard to get to.
Then I was told by someone that it isnt the belts that go bad but the...... shoot cant thing what a guy posted and said it was.

It just wont do much of anything rewind,  play FF.  I alwasy wanted to own one of the naks and now am stumped as to how to get it up and running any help MUCH MUCH appreciated

thanks,  JOHN
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Thu Apr 15 22:34:44 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:34:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
In-Reply-To: <20040415200356.10141.qmail@web80805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMEBLCCAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

It is my understanding that AM has the AD tape inside. It is a very good
tape. I have used AM and SM-X, and have been very happy with both.

IMHO, AM is an excellent, and very neutral type I tape. I remember AR and
AR-X. These were a little brighter and more forgiving tapes, that really
shined on top end decks.

Stan
  -----Original Message-----
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Of Mohseni Dariush
  Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:04 PM
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.


  Hello Naktalkers,

  Has any of you used TDK AM cassette tape? I tried to get some information
from their technical support without any success. Back in the 90's TDK used
to produce the AR series which was type 1 tape and had excellent MOL, SOL
and signal/noise. You could easily record up to +7db reference dolby 0. I am
hoping that their AM series has the same quality, unlike the D series which
is good only for voice recording.

  Kind Regards,

  Dariush.



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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 17 10:49:48 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:49:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Vintage 1979 $1800.00 list OPTONICA RT-6905 Cassette
	Deck
References: <16697-408094F4-1069@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <SEA2-DAV666sBPo5X3a00013239@hotmail.com>

Hello Gerald,
though I did never ever see any Nak 1000ZXL in live (on pictures only), I
would be very happy to compare that Optonica with the most complex Nak.

May I ask you to send me a picture (or more, if you have) to my email?
sandorpistike at hotmail.com

Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
István Sándor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 4:22 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Vintage 1979 $1800.00 list OPTONICA RT-6905 Cassette Deck


> I just HAD to run this by the greatest Nakkers.As I was "perusing"  an
> olden issue of POP. SCI. dated DEC.1979;amongst the  faboulous nostalic
> ads for Bone Phones and Vintage computerized games(i have a collection)
> ETC.,I came upon this article referencing  an $1800.00 list price
> cassette deck made by OPTONICA.it looks like a 1000     ZXL clone.here
> is what the article says;.."Its got enough controls to confuse an
> astronaut,but this programmable cassette deck doesn't need your help.It
> holds up to a weeeks worth of play/record times handles Metal or
> Conventional tape,and evensearches for a particular song."-If anyone
> wants a E-mail pic of this deck i will beglad to send one.thanks
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Apr 17 11:41:14 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:41:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 100
References: <000801c42407$7e7d04f0$0a00a8c0@MOO>
Message-ID: <002301c42460$204eec00$f2244d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

reel idler ?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 12:06 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 100


  I just bought a nak bx 100 for a few dollars, got it home and it ate my tapes, worked very poorly.  I cleaned the heads and the rollers but no good.
   
  I thought it might be the belt but seems real hard to get to.
  Then I was told by someone that it isnt the belts that go bad but the...... shoot cant thing what a guy posted and said it was.
   
  It just wont do much of anything rewind,  play FF.  I alwasy wanted to own one of the naks and now am stumped as to how to get it up and running any help MUCH MUCH appreciated
   
  thanks,  JOHN


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From sten.tolf at umehus23.ac.se  Sat Apr 17 13:24:21 2004
From: sten.tolf at umehus23.ac.se (Sten Tolf)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:24:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 32
References: <200404170912.i3H9Bbv1004017@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c4246e$87f79a10$0300a8c0@primary>

  Hello all, since you are talking about vintage equipment sometimes, try
this site
  www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mug/review.htm
  it's a site both in russian and english and you need a plugin which is
provided on the site.
  Here you can find lots of equipment with pictures an all.

  Regards / Sten Tolf

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  >    2. Nakamichi MR-2 Pressure Pad Lifter ?? (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
  >    3. TD-700 for Trade (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
  >    4. Cheap High quality tapes! (Mohseni Dariush)
  >    5. Re: TDK AM series. (Sinclair Forrest)
  >    6. Re: TDK AM series. (Mohseni Dariush)
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  >    9. Re: TDK AM series. (Mark Hugo)
  >   10. Nakamichi BX 100 (bluesky246)
  >   11. RE: TDK AM series. (Stan Targowski)
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Apr 17 14:13:30 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:13:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 100
Message-ID: <s0813ba3.070@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Yes, it must be the idler tire.  The BX and CR series (I think) had undersized tires and need to have an upgrades to a gear drive, which Nakamichi put together as kits complete as a ex-factory modification.  I don't know that much about it......perhaps someone can assist??  

Marc

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sat Apr 17 15:18:04 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:18:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 100
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The idler has nothing to do with FF and REW.

The deck probably simply needs regular maintenance service.
Same as with any fine machine, including your car and vacuum
cleaner...

One of the things to do is replace the idler. This should be
done every couple of years or so. Where to get the idler and
how to do it has been covered here many, many times. Peruse the
archives. In addition, it's a good idea to check (and service
as necessary) the control and reel motors.

There is no real need to upgrade to the gear drive -- especially
since the kit is likely to cost more than your BX-100. If you buy
now, say, 4 rubber idler tires (at about 60 cents apiece) you'll
be set for life.

-- Ron



Mark Hugo wrote:
> Yes, it must be the idler tire.  The BX and CR series (I think) had undersized tires and need to have an upgrades to a gear drive, which Nakamichi put together as kits complete as a ex-factory modification.  I don't know that much about it......perhaps someone can assist??  
> 
> Marc
> 




From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Apr 17 15:51:50 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:51:50 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 100
References: <s0813ba3.070@mroute.sunint.co.za> <40812E8C.8000301@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000701c42483$22786dd0$25614254@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

the idler drives the reels in ff\rew, if nothing to do with it why then
advise replacing it?
p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 100


>
> The idler has nothing to do with FF and REW.
>
> The deck probably simply needs regular maintenance service.
> Same as with any fine machine, including your car and vacuum
> cleaner...
>
> One of the things to do is replace the idler. This should be
> done every couple of years or so. Where to get the idler and
> how to do it has been covered here many, many times. Peruse the
> archives. In addition, it's a good idea to check (and service
> as necessary) the control and reel motors.
>
> There is no real need to upgrade to the gear drive -- especially
> since the kit is likely to cost more than your BX-100. If you buy
> now, say, 4 rubber idler tires (at about 60 cents apiece) you'll
> be set for life.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
> Mark Hugo wrote:
> > Yes, it must be the idler tire.  The BX and CR series (I think) had
undersized tires and need to have an upgrades to a gear drive, which
Nakamichi put together as kits complete as a ex-factory modification.  I
don't know that much about it......perhaps someone can assist??
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sat Apr 17 16:36:34 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:36:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 100
In-Reply-To: <000701c42483$22786dd0$25614254@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <s0813ba3.070@mroute.sunint.co.za> <40812E8C.8000301@rcn.com>
	<000701c42483$22786dd0$25614254@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <408140F2.10300@rcn.com>


You're right, that first line in my response came out
completely wrong. The idler does drive the reels, in all
modes of operation. This is why I suggested replacing it.
Just ignore that first line.

-- Ron


p r wrote:
> the idler drives the reels in ff\rew, if nothing to do with it why then
> advise replacing it?
> p
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX 100
> 
> 
> 
>>The idler has nothing to do with FF and REW.
>>
>>The deck probably simply needs regular maintenance service.
>>Same as with any fine machine, including your car and vacuum
>>cleaner...
>>
>>One of the things to do is replace the idler. This should be
>>done every couple of years or so. Where to get the idler and
>>how to do it has been covered here many, many times. Peruse the
>>archives. In addition, it's a good idea to check (and service
>>as necessary) the control and reel motors.
>>
>>There is no real need to upgrade to the gear drive -- especially
>>since the kit is likely to cost more than your BX-100. If you buy
>>now, say, 4 rubber idler tires (at about 60 cents apiece) you'll
>>be set for life.
>>
>>-- Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>Mark Hugo wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, it must be the idler tire.  The BX and CR series (I think) had
> 
> undersized tires and need to have an upgrades to a gear drive, which
> Nakamichi put together as kits complete as a ex-factory modification.  I
> don't know that much about it......perhaps someone can assist??
> 
>>>Marc




From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat Apr 17 17:56:55 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:56:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Alignment Copies
Message-ID: <408153C7.9010801@verizon.net>

Hi All,

Would anyone be willing to provide me with copies of the (electrical) 
alignment portion of the LX-3 Service Manual ?

Alternatively, I have a LX-5 Service Manual. I know that much is the 
same between the 2 machines. If all of the test points and ref voltages 
are the same, I would just use it.

Thanks,

Mark
sharpei at verizon.net


From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Apr 17 18:50:46 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:50:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Alignment Copies
Message-ID: <a4f8404a4fdb8c.a4fdb8ca4f8404@vsnl.net>

LX 3 is a 2 head while LX 5 is a 3 head machine. In 3 Head Nakmichis you can calibrate while the recording is done using monitor switch while LX3 requires you to record and then play back - adjust the preset without exactly how much to adjust! This is a bit tediuos and not the same. also the manual will be a lot different electrically- while machanism and its electrical controls may be same.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
Date: Saturday, April 17, 2004 8:56 am
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Alignment Copies

> Hi All,
> 
> Would anyone be willing to provide me with copies of the 
> (electrical) 
> alignment portion of the LX-3 Service Manual ?
> 
> Alternatively, I have a LX-5 Service Manual. I know that much is 
> the 
> same between the 2 machines. If all of the test points and ref 
> voltages 
> are the same, I would just use it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> sharpei at verizon.net
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From pieboy at att.net  Sat Apr 17 19:48:48 2004
From: pieboy at att.net (pieboy at att.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:48:48 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Head Cleaning on Naks
Message-ID: <041720041748.16638.40816DFF000D0F0D000040FE2160376021FF86909D9A96@att.net>

I have used various head cleaning chemicals on my assorted (Sony, Akai, Uher, Tandberg, etc) tape decks over the years, but now that I have a Nakamichi Dragon I would like to know what the Nak experts recommend for head cleaning. My thought was always that pure ethyl alchohol (the 200 proof industrial stuff) would be a good choice due to the absence of additives, etc. I have occasionally used Teac rubber cleaner/renewer (nasty smelling but effective)
for the pinch wheel, but have generally avoided commercial head-cleaning preparations because the contents could contain almost anything. What are your thoughts/recommendations?

Thanks in advance,
triceratops



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Apr 17 20:29:48 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:29:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Password
Message-ID: <s08193c7.043@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi All,

Does anyone have / know the password for the naktalk archives?

Thanks,

Marc

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Apr 17 20:40:04 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:40:04 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Password
Message-ID: <a508db4a5082c1.a5082c1a508db4@vsnl.net>

Mark
each member has seperate password - you can infact ask naktalk archive entry web page to send you the first timepassword to your default email of Naktalk. Once you ask naktalk list server to send - it will send an initial password to your email id. then you can create your own and access archive. your login will be your email id itself
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
Date: Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:29 am
Subject: [naktalk] Password

> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have / know the password for the naktalk archives?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Marc
> 
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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Sat Apr 17 21:12:35 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:12:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Alignment Copies
In-Reply-To: <408153C7.9010801@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040417211235.0137ee00@mail.sireconnect.de>

At 10:56 17.04.2004 -0500, Mark & Michelle Barrett wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Would anyone be willing to provide me with copies of the (electrical) 
>alignment portion of the LX-3 Service Manual ?

If you obtain one, I'd be very glad if you contacted me. I already tried to
get one, had an offer, but that was never mailed. Didn't get around to
asking again.

I got an LX-3 and LX-5 and not the slightest clue about alignment or BIAS
adjust for those, not even all the functions they offer. Is your LX-5
manual in electronic form? If so, I'd be more than happy if you'd share.

Best regards, Joerg


From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Apr 17 22:02:38 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:02:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Password
Message-ID: <s081a991.071@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Very many thanks Kannan!!

You're up late - it must be 2 in the morning in Bangalore!!!

Thanks again,

Marc

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From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat Apr 17 22:31:08 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:31:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3 Manual
Message-ID: <4081940C.40408@verizon.net>

Well....
I think I may have wrongly articulated my request. Let me retry:

1. I just bought an LX-3.

2. I want to align the LX-3 just like I do my other 3 Naks.
    -> I have manuals for my other 3 machines (682ZX, ZX-7, CR-7A)
    -> I also have other Nak manuals including one for the LX-5.

3. I have 3 options:
    a) I can buy a LX-3 Service Manual from techman777
    b) I can ask for a copy of the alignment portion of the LX-3 manual 
from someone on this site.
    c) I can ask someone here for the specific differences regarding 
test points, meter level reference voltages, pb level reference 
voltages, etc. and use the LX-5 manual as a guide.
       -> for example, the ZX-7 and LX-5 are very similar with regard to 
test points, meter level reference voltages, pb level reference 
voltages, etc. However, I wouldn't know for the LX-3. Does it utilize 
the same test points MS-25/26 ? Do you adjust meter level ref voltage to 
90mV as on the ZX-7 & LX-5 or is it a different value ? Playback level 
on the LX-5 & ZX-7 is also adjusted to 90mV at MS-25/26. Is it the same 
for the LX-3 ?

I gather from reading the posts there the support.naks.com is no longer 
operational. I know there used to be manuals there. I would very much 
appreciate any help you all can give me.

Thanks,

Mark
sharpei at verizon.net


From sharpei at verizon.net  Sun Apr 18 03:07:39 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:07:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3/5 Alignment Copies for Joerg
Message-ID: <4081D4DB.9070803@verizon.net>

Joerg,

I purchased an LX-5 service manual from techman777 off of eBay last year 
as I was aligning an LX-5 for a guy who'd just bought it from another 
seller. In fact, that same deck is on eBay now - its the one that says 
"aligned" in the title. Anyway, the manual is lots of pages, probably 
too much for me to scan and email. The alignment portion, however, is 
only 5 or 6 pages and I could scan that and email it. Alternatively, I 
could write it up in Microsoft Word format and post it........somewhere 
(??). I've actually thought about doing that for some of the other decks 
like the 682ZX as it has a rather complex alignment procedure if you 
follow the service manual.

Mark


From sharpei at verizon.net  Sun Apr 18 03:11:39 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:11:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cleaning Fluids for Naks
Message-ID: <4081D5CB.308@verizon.net>

I use American Recorder S-721H Professional Audio Tape Head Cleaning 
Fluid on my Naks. Its available from www.americanrecorder.com
Its an excellent cleaner and is actually good for the pinch rollers.
The website has a good description of the product. It was suggested to 
me a few years ago by a local high end audio shop.

Mark


From jmo at sireconnect.de  Sun Apr 18 12:21:42 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:21:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3/5 Alignment Copies for Joerg
In-Reply-To: <4081D4DB.9070803@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040418122142.01368908@mail.sireconnect.de>

Dear Mark,

At 20:07 17.04.2004 -0500, Mark & Michelle Barrett wrote:
>I purchased an LX-5 service manual from techman777 off of eBay last year 
>as I was aligning an LX-5 for a guy who'd just bought it from another 
>seller. In fact, that same deck is on eBay now - its the one that says 
>"aligned" in the title. Anyway, the manual is lots of pages, probably 
>too much for me to scan and email. The alignment portion, however, is 
>only 5 or 6 pages and I could scan that and email it. Alternatively, I 
>could write it up in Microsoft Word format and post it........somewhere 
>(??). I've actually thought about doing that for some of the other decks 
>like the 682ZX as it has a rather complex alignment procedure if you 
>follow the service manual.

That'd be great. I'd also appreciate the part (shouldn't be more than one
page I'd wager) about "using the master fader" (it's a mysterium for me),
but that isn't a priority, and only if you're at it anyway.
I don't care about the format (Word, pdf, jpg scans), I'd take whatever is
most convenient for you.

Also, I believe the community would appreciate that offer... resources are
running thinner it seems. Nakamichi shouldn't mind, but there might be
copyright issues, if so, Wouter probably would know it. You might want to
check with him before putting that online.

Best regards, Jörg
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Sun Apr 18 16:21:31 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:21:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes
Message-ID: <40828EEB.9090406@verizon.net>

Hi,

Here's my top 5 list of tapes...with comments:

1. TDK MA: the best tape of all time. I've never had a bad one. Even the 
recent ones were outstanding. TDK, can we convince you to bring these back ?

2.  Maxell MX-S: Just as good as the TDK MA. The shell may even be 
better. Another great metal tape that I miss.

3. Fuji FR Metal: This is the surprise. The #4 rated metal tape of all 
time (Consumer Reports early 90's). It scored one point below the TDK 
MA-XG ! I've found a collection of these that I've been using in my 
Naks. A very neutral sounding metal tape.

4. TDK SM: This is the studio version of the SA. However, its much 
better - not having dropouts, high freq saturation problems, etc like 
the SA. It may have a better binder, doing a better job of holding the 
magnetic coating on the tape base. Whatever the case, for depth and 
detail, it rivals the great Maxell XLII-S. A recent and pleasant surprise.

5. Maxell XLII-S: The greatest non-metal tape of all time ! For depth 
and detail; its hard to believe this is not a metal tape. I rate it just 
below the TDK SM because recent production runs have case/reel hub problems.

6. Maxell XLII: Even though this is #6 on my list, its a very, very good 
tape. Its just a little behind the XLII-S for soft detail in my Naks. 
For durability, it may have no rival. While I prefer other tapes on this 
list; this tape is how I grade others. And you can get it at Walmart !

Well, that's my 2 cents.

Mark Barrett
Nakamichi Enthusiast
Nak 682ZX, ZX-7, CR-7A, & LX-3
Brazil, IN


From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 18 18:04:58 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:04:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] A newer "Dragon" owner!!!
Message-ID: <Law10-OE20EFk2H3b9800011113@hotmail.com>

Shalom Folks!

Yes..it's amazing, that after so many years, the unit looks and works
marvelous good, was used "ONCE"...and kept in the box!

Seriously...I was very afraid...that maybe after so many year un-used...,
was connected to the 220 Ac mains here in Israel, and hooked to my lovely
ARC - SP 9 Mk2 Control unit, and...the recorded cassette made during the
late 70ties, in my once owned 1000 Mk-2 deck, sound so well after so
many...many...years, I agree TDK first SA edition. Amazing... During this
week I will record for the first time, and I will be happy informing to all
of you the results!

Please...any "Tips"...will be heart fully welcome...Thanks!

Sincerely, from Israel "Terra Santa"...!

ALEX!



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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sun Apr 18 19:15:13 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:15:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3 Manual
Message-ID: <a58cb43a58d050.a58d050a58cb43@vsnl.net>

You better get a copy - whatever the source is -of LX3 manaul - for alignment issues. Howver I think I have a copy of 480 Service manaul - again that is a two head with Nak original Dual capstan mechanism- will give you some ideas how to do the alignment. If you are lucky it may be having same electronic schematics pobably but not the same layout. You have to contact me off list so that I can post you the service manaul - or make you download from my own yahoo group account for such a purpose.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
Date: Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:31 pm
Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-3 Manual

> Well....
> I think I may have wrongly articulated my request. Let me retry:
> 
> 1. I just bought an LX-3.
> 
> 2. I want to align the LX-3 just like I do my other 3 Naks.
>    -> I have manuals for my other 3 machines (682ZX, ZX-7, CR-7A)
>    -> I also have other Nak manuals including one for the LX-5.
> 
> 3. I have 3 options:
>    a) I can buy a LX-3 Service Manual from techman777
>    b) I can ask for a copy of the alignment portion of the LX-3 
> manual 
> from someone on this site.
>    c) I can ask someone here for the specific differences 
> regarding 
> test points, meter level reference voltages, pb level reference 
> voltages, etc. and use the LX-5 manual as a guide.
>       -> for example, the ZX-7 and LX-5 are very similar with 
> regard to 
> test points, meter level reference voltages, pb level reference 
> voltages, etc. However, I wouldn't know for the LX-3. Does it 
> utilize 
> the same test points MS-25/26 ? Do you adjust meter level ref 
> voltage to 
> 90mV as on the ZX-7 & LX-5 or is it a different value ? Playback 
> level 
> on the LX-5 & ZX-7 is also adjusted to 90mV at MS-25/26. Is it the 
> same 
> for the LX-3 ?
> 
> I gather from reading the posts there the support.naks.com is no 
> longer 
> operational. I know there used to be manuals there. I would very 
> much 
> appreciate any help you all can give me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> sharpei at verizon.net
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 18 19:28:28 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:28:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes
Message-ID: <BAY2-F69Ndje4tMViZB00064fb0@hotmail.com>

How about HX-S?


>From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: btg at dysoplex.com, NakTalk <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes
>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:21:31 -0500
>
>Hi,
>
>Here's my top 5 list of tapes...with comments:
>
>1. TDK MA: the best tape of all time. I've never had a bad one. Even the 
>recent ones were outstanding. TDK, can we convince you to bring these back 
>?
>
>2.  Maxell MX-S: Just as good as the TDK MA. The shell may even be better. 
>Another great metal tape that I miss.
>
>3. Fuji FR Metal: This is the surprise. The #4 rated metal tape of all time 
>(Consumer Reports early 90's). It scored one point below the TDK MA-XG ! 
>I've found a collection of these that I've been using in my Naks. A very 
>neutral sounding metal tape.
>
>4. TDK SM: This is the studio version of the SA. However, its much better - 
>not having dropouts, high freq saturation problems, etc like the SA. It may 
>have a better binder, doing a better job of holding the magnetic coating on 
>the tape base. Whatever the case, for depth and detail, it rivals the great 
>Maxell XLII-S. A recent and pleasant surprise.
>
>5. Maxell XLII-S: The greatest non-metal tape of all time ! For depth and 
>detail; its hard to believe this is not a metal tape. I rate it just below 
>the TDK SM because recent production runs have case/reel hub problems.
>
>6. Maxell XLII: Even though this is #6 on my list, its a very, very good 
>tape. Its just a little behind the XLII-S for soft detail in my Naks. For 
>durability, it may have no rival. While I prefer other tapes on this list; 
>this tape is how I grade others. And you can get it at Walmart !
>
>Well, that's my 2 cents.
>
>Mark Barrett
>Nakamichi Enthusiast
>Nak 682ZX, ZX-7, CR-7A, & LX-3
>Brazil, IN
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From ordwaw1 at comcast.net  Sun Apr 18 21:00:23 2004
From: ordwaw1 at comcast.net (ORDWAW1)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:00:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes - howe about TDK HX-S?
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F69Ndje4tMViZB00064fb0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIECHCCAA.ordwaw1@comcast.net>

Same here Neil. I bought a few of these in 1987/9 time frame, but never
tried them with Nakamichi gear. Would be curious to hear any comments about
them. It was supposed to be metal like type II tape - if I recall correctly,
at the time more expensive than SA-X and XL-IIS.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of neil lipes
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:28 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes


How about HX-S?


>From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: btg at dysoplex.com, NakTalk <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes
>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:21:31 -0500
>
>Hi,
>
>Here's my top 5 list of tapes...with comments:
>
>1. TDK MA: the best tape of all time. I've never had a bad one. Even the
>recent ones were outstanding. TDK, can we convince you to bring these back
>?
>
>2.  Maxell MX-S: Just as good as the TDK MA. The shell may even be better.
>Another great metal tape that I miss.
>
>3. Fuji FR Metal: This is the surprise. The #4 rated metal tape of all time
>(Consumer Reports early 90's). It scored one point below the TDK MA-XG !
>I've found a collection of these that I've been using in my Naks. A very
>neutral sounding metal tape.
>
>4. TDK SM: This is the studio version of the SA. However, its much better -
>not having dropouts, high freq saturation problems, etc like the SA. It may
>have a better binder, doing a better job of holding the magnetic coating on
>the tape base. Whatever the case, for depth and detail, it rivals the great
>Maxell XLII-S. A recent and pleasant surprise.
>
>5. Maxell XLII-S: The greatest non-metal tape of all time ! For depth and
>detail; its hard to believe this is not a metal tape. I rate it just below
>the TDK SM because recent production runs have case/reel hub problems.
>
>6. Maxell XLII: Even though this is #6 on my list, its a very, very good
>tape. Its just a little behind the XLII-S for soft detail in my Naks. For
>durability, it may have no rival. While I prefer other tapes on this list;
>this tape is how I grade others. And you can get it at Walmart !
>
>Well, that's my 2 cents.
>
>Mark Barrett
>Nakamichi Enthusiast
>Nak 682ZX, ZX-7, CR-7A, & LX-3
>Brazil, IN
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Apr 18 22:59:14 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:59:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Vintage 1979 $1800.00 list OPTONICA RT-6905 Cassette
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Deck?=
Message-ID: <13004-4082EC22-1788@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

hi,i dont have a scanner,but i will e-mail a pic jst as soon as i get my
digi-cam fired up.sorry for the delay.i will send a photocopy if you
want too,but all it said in the clip was what i posted.thanks

thank you very much,
gerald



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 18 23:41:20 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:41:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes - howe about TDK HX-S?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F149VuMhvqgStM00023e12@hotmail.com>

Stan:

I have a Nak RX-505....back when new J&R Music World here in NYC was selling 
what appeared to be tens of thousands of TDK HX-S tapes over a period of 
time...one of my buddies who ran the audio dept there said most 
"audiophiles" embrased this model for it's seer performance...as good as 
metal and with less wear on the reproductive chain.....I personally bemoaned 
the day the tapes became NLA...as they were the BEST I have ever used....you 
should hear the tapes today that were recorded on in 1985..no loss 
whatsoever....but hey as they say that was "back in the day!"


>From: "ORDWAW1" <ordwaw1 at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes - howe about TDK HX-S?
>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:00:23 -0500
>
>Same here Neil. I bought a few of these in 1987/9 time frame, but never
>tried them with Nakamichi gear. Would be curious to hear any comments about
>them. It was supposed to be metal like type II tape - if I recall 
>correctly,
>at the time more expensive than SA-X and XL-IIS.
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of neil lipes
>Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:28 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes
>
>
>How about HX-S?
>
>
> >From: Mark & Michelle Barrett <sharpei at verizon.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: btg at dysoplex.com, NakTalk <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] Mark's Top 5 Cassettes
> >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:21:31 -0500
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Here's my top 5 list of tapes...with comments:
> >
> >1. TDK MA: the best tape of all time. I've never had a bad one. Even the
> >recent ones were outstanding. TDK, can we convince you to bring these 
>back
> >?
> >
> >2.  Maxell MX-S: Just as good as the TDK MA. The shell may even be 
>better.
> >Another great metal tape that I miss.
> >
> >3. Fuji FR Metal: This is the surprise. The #4 rated metal tape of all 
>time
> >(Consumer Reports early 90's). It scored one point below the TDK MA-XG !
> >I've found a collection of these that I've been using in my Naks. A very
> >neutral sounding metal tape.
> >
> >4. TDK SM: This is the studio version of the SA. However, its much better 
>-
> >not having dropouts, high freq saturation problems, etc like the SA. It 
>may
> >have a better binder, doing a better job of holding the magnetic coating 
>on
> >the tape base. Whatever the case, for depth and detail, it rivals the 
>great
> >Maxell XLII-S. A recent and pleasant surprise.
> >
> >5. Maxell XLII-S: The greatest non-metal tape of all time ! For depth and
> >detail; its hard to believe this is not a metal tape. I rate it just 
>below
> >the TDK SM because recent production runs have case/reel hub problems.
> >
> >6. Maxell XLII: Even though this is #6 on my list, its a very, very good
> >tape. Its just a little behind the XLII-S for soft detail in my Naks. For
> >durability, it may have no rival. While I prefer other tapes on this 
>list;
> >this tape is how I grade others. And you can get it at Walmart !
> >
> >Well, that's my 2 cents.
> >
> >Mark Barrett
> >Nakamichi Enthusiast
> >Nak 682ZX, ZX-7, CR-7A, & LX-3
> >Brazil, IN
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From rosiemalloy at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 19 00:09:55 2004
From: rosiemalloy at hotmail.com (rosie malloy)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:09:55 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] new person alert
Message-ID: <BAY17-F30yvIqMCt4Uz0008698a@hotmail.com>

Hello everybody.

I'm new to all this but just needed a little help.  I've got a fiesta (my 
first car) and i was wonder which stereo would I be best putting in it.  
Might seem like a stupid question but i'm not the Brains of Britain when it 
comes to anything to do with cars!!

Would be grateful of any help. Thank-you.

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 00:22:32 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:22:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new person alert
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-F30yvIqMCt4Uz0008698a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101c42593$a45b8ce0$888b4c51@oemcomputer>

My buddies will probably flame me for saying this but, unless your car is
devoid of engine or wind and road noise inside the cabin, and very few are
(I know Fiesta's aren't) then there is not much point in buying some exotic
sound system equivalent to the gear you might keep in your lounge.    Having
said that, personally, if I didn't already have a reasonable "Ford"
radio/cassette machine installed, I'd probably still go for a
radio/cassette, or better still, radio/cassette/CD based system, and if that
were possible, a DAB radio tuner rather than FM, too .... if only for the
greater choice of interesting programmes!

BTW, all - This will interest you.  A rather well off friend of mine, an
owner of a big Northern research agency, recently treated herself to one of
those £1.2k state-of-the-art combined satellite navigation and music centres
for her car.  One of those systems that talks to you.  Never guess what!  It
was fitted as STANDARD with a CASSETTE player, not a CD or MD.  She blew her
top when she realised, having assumed it would be a CD/radio music system.

Gra'

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> Behalf Of rosie malloy
> Sent: 18 April 2004 23:10
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] new person alert
>
>
> Hello everybody.
>
> I'm new to all this but just needed a little help.  I've got a fiesta (my
> first car) and i was wonder which stereo would I be best putting in it.
> Might seem like a stupid question but i'm not the Brains of
> Britain when it
> comes to anything to do with cars!!
>
> Would be grateful of any help. Thank-you.
>
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 19 09:14:34 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:14:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon's Unable to set Level/Bias?
Message-ID: <Law10-OE22Edyt3cew8000231b3@hotmail.com>

Shalom Folks,

I'm a new member, registered from yesterday, when I received a "Boxed" Nak.
Dragon!

The previous owner, suddenly passed away, so his widow ask me to came home
to take away his boxed cassette deck, which under my recommendation, my very
close friend just away from us...acquired in 1984, from a store in
Switzerland. Of course factory wired for Israel 220 V.ac.

He use it "ONCE"...and decided that cassette media is not for him...! after
that one use...the unit was boxed again by his wife...in 1984..., and never
use it till today that I hooked to my tube equipment.

However..., I load with a TDK SA-100 new cassette, switched to
"Tape"...Rec/pause...push level...begin to record however is impossible to
obtain the "0" calibration...still very low only 2 segments and not
equally...I push Bias...now..the segments come very close to the "0"
calibration mark, again each knob not equally set up.
I try a Fuji DR-100 normal cassette also brand new...here is amazing...! The
level just show one bar...?, the bias the left goes up till almost 40...,
however...the right one barely moves?

I decided to leave the unit "ON"...for a few days continuously...with my
heart fully hope, that after 20 years of NOT been used, the
electronics...will be "ALIVE"...again?

Please, Folks...any expertise advice...will make me extremely happy!

Thanks in advance, for your polite & accurately response.

Sincerely,

ALEX!

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From masonmjs at runbox.com  Mon Apr 19 09:01:08 2004
From: masonmjs at runbox.com (Mike Mason)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 07:01:08 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon's Unable to set Level/Bias?
Message-ID: <E1BFSmC-0002yx-JA@odie.runbox.com>

Shalom Alex,

Lucky you with a "new" Dragon.

I'm new here too, so no expert advice to be found here, but have you thought about de-gaussing (de-magnetizing) the heads before you start.  Since the unit has been "under wraps" for the last twenty years, it's possible for anything to happen.

Actually, I don't want to worry you but the dielectric in all Electrolytic capacitors is known to need re-forming (you do this by applying the power in small ammounts, up to the working voltage) after not being powered for little more than 5 years, so yours is a definite candidate for that.  This I would say is the most likely candidate since the deck has literally never been used.

I expect there are dozens of these little devices in there (not to mention the smoothing capacitors in the Power supply), so it may need a good service (sounds like you got it cheap, so I reckon a service is money well spent).

Hope you get it sorted anyway, good luck.

Mike


> Shalom Folks,
> 
> I'm a new member, registered from yesterday, when I received a "Boxed" Nak.
> Dragon!
> 
> The previous owner, suddenly passed away, so his widow ask me to came home
> to take away his boxed cassette deck, which under my recommendation, my very
> close friend just away from us...acquired in 1984, from a store in
> Switzerland. Of course factory wired for Israel 220 V.ac.
> 
> He use it "ONCE"...and decided that cassette media is not for him...! after
> that one use...the unit was boxed again by his wife...in 1984..., and never
> use it till today that I hooked to my tube equipment.
> 
> However..., I load with a TDK SA-100 new cassette, switched to
> "Tape"...Rec/pause...push level...begin to record however is impossible to
> obtain the "0" calibration...still very low only 2 segments and not
> equally...I push Bias...now..the segments come very close to the "0"
> calibration mark, again each knob not equally set up.
> I try a Fuji DR-100 normal cassette also brand new...here is amazing...! The
> level just show one bar...?, the bias the left goes up till almost 40...,
> however...the right one barely moves?
> 
> I decided to leave the unit "ON"...for a few days continuously...with my
> heart fully hope, that after 20 years of NOT been used, the
> electronics...will be "ALIVE"...again?
> 
> Please, Folks...any expertise advice...will make me extremely happy!
> 
> Thanks in advance, for your polite & accurately response.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> ALEX!
> 
> ALEX!
> 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Apr 19 10:29:50 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:29:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] new person alert
Message-ID: <s083aa2d.025@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Heheheheh!!!  Cassette strikes back!!!!!

Marc

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From sharpei at verizon.net  Mon Apr 19 11:11:04 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:11:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Mark's Top 5 Cassettes - What about TDK HX-S
In-Reply-To: <200404190723.i3J7Mxv0016338@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200404190723.i3J7Mxv0016338@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <1082365864.7927.5.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-248-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>

I've only used one of these; the local audio shop, where I get the Fuji
FR Metals, digs one up from time to time. I recorded Gerry Rafferty's
"City to City" album on it. I noticed that I had some problems with
level mismatches with it - on both the ZX-7 and CR-7A. I've only had
this sort of problem with one other tape - the Denon HD8. This same
local audio shop has a bunch of those and the HD7's.
Anyway, due to my lack of experience with the HX-S; that's why it didn't
make my list. The same is true with the BASF Chrome Maxima (there are
people who'll tell you this was the best high bias tape of all time) and
the Fuji DR-II.

Mark





From sharpei at verizon.net  Mon Apr 19 11:18:42 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark C. Barrett)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:18:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Top High Bias Tapes & Current Availability
Message-ID: <1082366322.7927.14.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-248-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>

This is how the top 9 high bias tapes lined up in the Consumer Reports
test of 10+ years ago:

1. TDK SA-X
2. Fuji DR-II
3. BASF Chrome Maxima
4. Maxell XLII-S
5. Sony ES II
6. Sony UX Turbo
7. Sony UX Pro
8. BASF Chrome Super II
9. Maxell XLII

Despite my current gloom about metal tape availability in the U.S.; its
interesting to note that 5 of the above are still available:
TDK SA-X
Fuji DR-II
Maxell XLII-S
Emtec Chrome Super II
Maxell XLII

Mark



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Apr 19 16:42:38 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 07:42:38 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon's Unable to set Level/Bias?
Message-ID: <a72b90ba72bd5e.a72bd5ea72b90b@vsnl.net>

Check whether  you had pushed SX tape selector button on top of these calibration buttons. And if you have the user manual read and understand the steps for calibration. Finally your incase you had been doing the calibration step properly - record head may be slightly misaligned - requires Nak head alignment tapes / gauges etc. 
Incase you feel record head misalignment - try only this steps
1. Note down record head azimuth alignment screw correct location of the slot- left most single white screw- remove the cover.
2. Set the bias level knobs in the center. set rec play mode on sx type tape and set level - whatever its position note it . atleast it should be near zero dB.
3.set bias - adjust this screw only half turn either way noting down your turning direction. 
4. Now you may find bias indicator showing increas and if that happens adjust more in that direction toget both left / right meter indicator reach max. then start adjusting bias knob to get the correct bias 
5. use a small flat screw driver to do this slowly
This should be fine
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Mason <masonmjs at runbox.com>
Date: Monday, April 19, 2004 0:01 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon's Unable to set Level/Bias?

> Shalom Alex,
> 
> Lucky you with a "new" Dragon.
> 
> I'm new here too, so no expert advice to be found here, but have 
> you thought about de-gaussing (de-magnetizing) the heads before 
> you start.  Since the unit has been "under wraps" for the last 
> twenty years, it's possible for anything to happen.
> 
> Actually, I don't want to worry you but the dielectric in all 
> Electrolytic capacitors is known to need re-forming (you do this 
> by applying the power in small ammounts, up to the working 
> voltage) after not being powered for little more than 5 years, so 
> yours is a definite candidate for that.  This I would say is the 
> most likely candidate since the deck has literally never been used.
> 
> I expect there are dozens of these little devices in there (not to 
> mention the smoothing capacitors in the Power supply), so it may 
> need a good service (sounds like you got it cheap, so I reckon a 
> service is money well spent).
> 
> Hope you get it sorted anyway, good luck.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> > Shalom Folks,
> > 
> > I'm a new member, registered from yesterday, when I received a 
> "Boxed" Nak.
> > Dragon!
> > 
> > The previous owner, suddenly passed away, so his widow ask me to 
> came home
> > to take away his boxed cassette deck, which under my 
> recommendation, my very
> > close friend just away from us...acquired in 1984, from a store in
> > Switzerland. Of course factory wired for Israel 220 V.ac.
> > 
> > He use it "ONCE"...and decided that cassette media is not for 
> him...! after
> > that one use...the unit was boxed again by his wife...in 
> 1984..., and never
> > use it till today that I hooked to my tube equipment.
> > 
> > However..., I load with a TDK SA-100 new cassette, switched to
> > "Tape"...Rec/pause...push level...begin to record however is 
> impossible to
> > obtain the "0" calibration...still very low only 2 segments and not
> > equally...I push Bias...now..the segments come very close to the "0"
> > calibration mark, again each knob not equally set up.
> > I try a Fuji DR-100 normal cassette also brand new...here is 
> amazing...! The
> > level just show one bar...?, the bias the left goes up till 
> almost 40...,
> > however...the right one barely moves?
> > 
> > I decided to leave the unit "ON"...for a few days 
> continuously...with my
> > heart fully hope, that after 20 years of NOT been used, the
> > electronics...will be "ALIVE"...again?
> > 
> > Please, Folks...any expertise advice...will make me extremely happy!
> > 
> > Thanks in advance, for your polite & accurately response.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > ALEX!
> > 
> > ALEX!
> > 
> > 
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Mon Apr 19 19:21:01 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:21:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Vintage 1979 $1800.00 list OPTONICA RT-6905
	Cassette     Deck
Message-ID: <s083c443.022@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Gerald,

Thank you for your reply and efforts.  Whenever you get a round to it
(round TUIT), will be fine.  I'll wait until you send the digi-cam file,
to see if I need a photocopy.  You had me scared on that part 1 of 3
parts for political discussion!  ;o)        Also suspect you were joking
about storing all your equipment for the summer, because of the audible
competition from the AC.  Even if it was really bad, you could always
use headphones.  Keep Nakin' and Enjoy the Music!

Best regards,

Kent

>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 4/18/04 3:59:14 PM >>>
hi,i dont have a scanner,but i will e-mail a pic jst as soon as i get
my
digi-cam fired up.sorry for the delay.i will send a photocopy if you
want too,but all it said in the clip was what i posted.thanks

thank you very much,
gerald

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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 19 20:05:39 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:05:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
In-Reply-To: <1081329251.3298.19.camel@evrtwa1-ar9-4-65-255-090.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20040419180539.6948.qmail@web90004.mail.scd.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark,
 
Thank you for your information. After reading your e-mail, I went and checked my cassette collection and there was only one TDK D.( I always calibrate the tape before recording.)
The bass was very good but the sound was somehow not very good and perhaps a bit thin. Back in June 1993, Audio magazine tested 51 different tapes. Here is some interesting findings:
 
Type 1 tapes: Out of 14 tapes shown,
1- Maxell XL1, Sony ES-1 tie with 72%
3- TDK DS-X 67%
4-TDK D 55%
 
Type 2 tapes: Out of 23 tapes,
1- Fuji Z11 85%
2- Fuji FR-11x Pro 80%
3- TDK SAX 79%
Sony UX-Pro, Fuji DR-11, Fuji FR-11x  78%
7- Sony UX 77%
8- TDK SA, Maxell XL11 76%
 
Type 4 tapes: Out of 14 tapes,
 
1- TDK MA-XG 92%
2- Sony Metal Master 91%
3- Maxell MX 88%
4- Sony Metal SR, Maxell MS-S  87%
6- TDK MA-X, Maxell Metal Vertex  86%,
8- TDK MA  85%
 
The numbers are absolute so one can compare among different types. So we can say that Fuji Z11 ties with TDK MA both with  85%. This is a very interesting report. I advise Nalktalkers who are interested in tape performance to read it:
 
http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/review.htm
 
At the bottom of the page:
 
Mass Tape Test - 51 Cassettes: The Second Greatest Cassette Test Ever.- Audio, 1993, No. 6, p. 38 
 
You need to install DjVu in order to read it.
 
Regards,
Dariush.
 
 

Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za> wrote:
Hi Dariush,

TDK D is a respectable type 1 with a reliable mechanism (with inner and outer shell reinforcement ribs since 1991 - could be the IIC) and a very durable tape itself.

It has a quite a fresh, upbeat, vital sound and delivers consistent figures under test, although the formulation has changed quite often over the years. As a bog standard type 1, I would rate it ahead of Sony HF and slightly ahead for most applications of Maxell UR. Of course it depends how you use it and whether you calibrate the deck to the type. It's streets ahead of it's own sibling, the "B", which I would regard as TDK 'voice' grade type I. Actually, I find D very good for recording commercial (often quite compressed) music without dolby!!

However, your point that D is no match for SA-X or MA from the same stable is clear. If the figures don't speak for themselves, which they always should to an extent (sensitivity, max treble level, max bass/mid, dynamic range etc) then listening immediately will. SA-X and metals in general are serious Nak-food.

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 19 21:16:06 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:16:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon's Unable to set Level/Bias?
References: <a72b90ba72bd5e.a72bd5ea72b90b@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <LAW10-OE53979pHKQ0800023ab0@hotmail.com>

Shalom Kannan,

I just returned from the city, the Nak was left "ON"...for 13 hours, and
NOW...all begin to work as intended...Only my apologies, for my
mistake...the Fuji DR Type 2 is ALSO a "SX" cassette, and NOT a NORMAL
one...that I wrote! I will leave for at least a week continuously "POWER
ON"...and seems me that all will return to work marvelous...! Only tomorrow
I will listen Playback only...NOT record nothing, and a day after I will
record music.

All of you will be very well informed!

Thanks so much for your Noble & Honest input...! I really appreciated!
Bravo!!!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon's Unable to set Level/Bias?


> Check whether  you had pushed SX tape selector button on top of these
calibration buttons. And if you have the user manual read and understand the
steps for calibration. Finally your incase you had been doing the
calibration step properly - record head may be slightly misaligned -
requires Nak head alignment tapes / gauges etc.
> Incase you feel record head misalignment - try only this steps
> 1. Note down record head azimuth alignment screw correct location of the
slot- left most single white screw- remove the cover.
> 2. Set the bias level knobs in the center. set rec play mode on sx type
tape and set level - whatever its position note it . atleast it should be
near zero dB.
> 3.set bias - adjust this screw only half turn either way noting down your
turning direction.
> 4. Now you may find bias indicator showing increas and if that happens
adjust more in that direction toget both left / right meter indicator reach
max. then start adjusting bias knob to get the correct bias
> 5. use a small flat screw driver to do this slowly
> This should be fine
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Mason <masonmjs at runbox.com>
> Date: Monday, April 19, 2004 0:01 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon's Unable to set Level/Bias?
>
> > Shalom Alex,
> >
> > Lucky you with a "new" Dragon.
> >
> > I'm new here too, so no expert advice to be found here, but have
> > you thought about de-gaussing (de-magnetizing) the heads before
> > you start.  Since the unit has been "under wraps" for the last
> > twenty years, it's possible for anything to happen.
> >
> > Actually, I don't want to worry you but the dielectric in all
> > Electrolytic capacitors is known to need re-forming (you do this
> > by applying the power in small ammounts, up to the working
> > voltage) after not being powered for little more than 5 years, so
> > yours is a definite candidate for that.  This I would say is the
> > most likely candidate since the deck has literally never been used.
> >
> > I expect there are dozens of these little devices in there (not to
> > mention the smoothing capacitors in the Power supply), so it may
> > need a good service (sounds like you got it cheap, so I reckon a
> > service is money well spent).
> >
> > Hope you get it sorted anyway, good luck.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > > Shalom Folks,
> > >
> > > I'm a new member, registered from yesterday, when I received a
> > "Boxed" Nak.
> > > Dragon!
> > >
> > > The previous owner, suddenly passed away, so his widow ask me to
> > came home
> > > to take away his boxed cassette deck, which under my
> > recommendation, my very
> > > close friend just away from us...acquired in 1984, from a store in
> > > Switzerland. Of course factory wired for Israel 220 V.ac.
> > >
> > > He use it "ONCE"...and decided that cassette media is not for
> > him...! after
> > > that one use...the unit was boxed again by his wife...in
> > 1984..., and never
> > > use it till today that I hooked to my tube equipment.
> > >
> > > However..., I load with a TDK SA-100 new cassette, switched to
> > > "Tape"...Rec/pause...push level...begin to record however is
> > impossible to
> > > obtain the "0" calibration...still very low only 2 segments and not
> > > equally...I push Bias...now..the segments come very close to the "0"
> > > calibration mark, again each knob not equally set up.
> > > I try a Fuji DR-100 normal cassette also brand new...here is
> > amazing...! The
> > > level just show one bar...?, the bias the left goes up till
> > almost 40...,
> > > however...the right one barely moves?
> > >
> > > I decided to leave the unit "ON"...for a few days
> > continuously...with my
> > > heart fully hope, that after 20 years of NOT been used, the
> > > electronics...will be "ALIVE"...again?
> > >
> > > Please, Folks...any expertise advice...will make me extremely happy!
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance, for your polite & accurately response.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > ALEX!
> > >
> > > ALEX!
> > >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 19 21:24:18 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:24:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
References: <20040419180539.6948.qmail@web90004.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Law10-OE20HvoFOAmEa000123a4@hotmail.com>

Shalom Folks!

Concerning all the tapes from 11 years ago...TODAY...all the cheaper or newer models, are far better that 11 years earlier!

SO...here in Israel, is possible to obtain, Fuji DR type 2, or as branded in Japan, Axia (To my knowledge...far better that the "Export" branded Fuji)...much cheaper that the "Premium" brands as TDK/Maxell?Scotch, etc...!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mohseni Dariush 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK AM series.


    Hi Mark,

    Thank you for your information. After reading your e-mail, I went and checked my cassette collection and there was only one TDK D.( I always calibrate the tape before recording.)
    The bass was very good but the sound was somehow not very good and perhaps a bit thin. Back in June 1993, Audio magazine tested 51 different tapes. Here is some interesting findings:

    Type 1 tapes: Out of 14 tapes shown,
    1- Maxell XL1, Sony ES-1 tie with 72%
    3- TDK DS-X 67%
    4-TDK D 55%

    Type 2 tapes: Out of 23 tapes,
    1- Fuji Z11 85%
    2- Fuji FR-11x Pro 80%
    3- TDK SAX 79%
    Sony UX-Pro, Fuji DR-11, Fuji FR-11x  78%
    7- Sony UX 77%
    8- TDK SA, Maxell XL11 76%

    Type 4 tapes: Out of 14 tapes,

    1- TDK MA-XG 92%
    2- Sony Metal Master 91%
    3- Maxell MX 88%
    4- Sony Metal SR, Maxell MS-S  87%
    6- TDK MA-X, Maxell Metal Vertex  86%,
    8- TDK MA  85%

    The numbers are absolute so one can compare among different types. So we can say that Fuji Z11 ties with TDK MA both with  85%. This is a very interesting report. I advise Nalktalkers who are interested in tape performance to read it:

    http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/review.htm

    At the bottom of the page:

    Mass Tape Test - 51 Cassettes: The Second Greatest Cassette Test Ever.- Audio, 1993, No. 6, p. 38 

    You need to install DjVu in order to read it.

    Regards,
    Dariush.



    Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za> wrote:
      Hi Dariush,

      TDK D is a respectable type 1 with a reliable mechanism (with inner and outer shell reinforcement ribs since 1991 - could be the IIC) and a very durable tape itself.

      It has a quite a fresh, upbeat, vital sound and delivers consistent figures under test, although the formulation has changed quite often over the years. As a bog standard type 1, I would rate it ahead of Sony HF and slightly ahead for most applications of Maxell UR. Of course it depends how you use it and whether you calibrate the deck to the type. It's streets ahead of it's own sibling, the "B", which I would regard as TDK 'voice' grade type I. Actually, I find D very good for recording commercial (often quite compressed) music without dolby!!

      However, your point that D is no match for SA-X or MA from the same stable is clear. If the figures don't speak for themselves, which they! always should to an extent (sensitivity, max treble level, max bass/mid, dynamic range etc) then listening immediately will. SA-X and metals in general are serious Nak-food.

      Have a great weekend!!

      Marc




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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 22:38:04 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:38:04 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
In-Reply-To: <Law10-OE20HvoFOAmEa000123a4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101c4264e$3715d9e0$72c54c51@oemcomputer>

Guys

I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I was would
like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to listen to
music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone rings!  So, I
was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling headphones as, I
understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let the music sing
through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, like a telephone
ringing.

Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?

Gra'
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Apr 19 22:59:08 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:59:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
References: <000101c4264e$3715d9e0$72c54c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006001c42651$28ce4630$b1b10642@johnnyrotten>

Have the telephone bell ringer hooked up to AC and terminated in your metal chair. You will hear the bell! ;-)

Fellow limey,
John T.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:38 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


  Guys

  I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I was would like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to listen to music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone rings!  So, I was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling headphones as, I understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let the music sing through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, like a telephone ringing.

  Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?

  Gra'



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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 23:06:45 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:06:45 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
In-Reply-To: <006001c42651$28ce4630$b1b10642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer>

mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of John M. Tooley
  Sent: 19 April 2004 21:59
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


  Have the telephone bell ringer hooked up to AC and terminated in your
metal chair. You will hear the bell! ;-)

  Fellow limey,
  John T.
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    From: Nelson
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:38 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


    Guys

    I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I was
would like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to listen
to music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone rings!  So,
I was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling headphones as, I
understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let the music sing
through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, like a telephone
ringing.

    Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?

    Gra'
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 19 23:16:15 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:16:15 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
Message-ID: <BAY9-F4nCPPY8O9FrYR0006c7c0@hotmail.com>

Gra',

Recently I came across a good review of some new noise-cancelling 
Sennheisers, but I can't find it out. I think the model number was something 
like HD-250, but I could be wrong.

George


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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:38:04 +0100

Guys

I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I was would
like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to listen to
music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone rings!  So, I
was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling headphones as, I
understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let the music sing
through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, like a telephone
ringing.

Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?

Gra'
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Apr 19 23:18:07 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:18:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
References: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003601c42653$f836f9b0$b1b10642@johnnyrotten>

Your easy ;-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gimli 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:06 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


  mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
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    Sent: 19 April 2004 21:59
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


    Have the telephone bell ringer hooked up to AC and terminated in your metal chair. You will hear the bell! ;-)

    Fellow limey,
    John T.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Nelson 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:38 PM
      Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


      Guys

      I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I was would like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to listen to music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone rings!  So, I was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling headphones as, I understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let the music sing through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, like a telephone ringing.

      Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?

      Gra'


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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 23:18:00 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:18:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F4nCPPY8O9FrYR0006c7c0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c42653$cb6bd7c0$72c54c51@oemcomputer>

Hi George

I have heard a little about these phones but not seen any reviews yet.  Any
idea where you saw the review?

Gra'



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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of George Valkov
> Sent: 19 April 2004 22:16
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
>
>
> Gra',
>
> Recently I came across a good review of some new noise-cancelling
> Sennheisers, but I can't find it out. I think the model number
> was something
> like HD-250, but I could be wrong.
>
> George
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:38:04 +0100
>
> Guys
>
> I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I
> was would
> like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to listen to
> music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone rings!  So, I
> was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling headphones as, I
> understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let the music sing
> through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, like
> a telephone
> ringing.
>
> Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?
>
> Gra'
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 23:19:13 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:19:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
In-Reply-To: <003601c42653$f836f9b0$b1b10642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <000601c42653$f691ae20$72c54c51@oemcomputer>

And cheap, tell the girls!
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of John M. Tooley
  Sent: 19 April 2004 22:18
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


  Your easy ;-)
    ----- Original Message -----
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    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:06 PM
    Subject: RE: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


    mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
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Behalf Of John M. Tooley
      Sent: 19 April 2004 21:59
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      Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


      Have the telephone bell ringer hooked up to AC and terminated in your
metal chair. You will hear the bell! ;-)

      Fellow limey,
      John T.

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From david at djfol.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 23:25:40 2004
From: david at djfol.freeserve.co.uk (David Foley)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:25:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Help please with CR1E
Message-ID: <018101c42654$ddae1be0$70e64d51@p4>

I fairly recently purchased a CR1E which although modest by many comparisons
wasa big step up in quality from my previous deck.

I began to enjoy and rediscover many pre-recorded recordings and picked up
many in charity shops for very little outlay.

This weekend the deck developed a fault. On loading with a pre-recorded
cassette, the 'pause' and 'play' buttons both lit up and nothing will
operate - no play, no fast forward! Nor will the deck let me eject the
tape!! Help!!! I've tried switching the deck off, leaving it for some hours
and then powering up again - to no avail.

Any advice or helpful comments will be much appreciated.

Best Wishes
David



From calijente at gmx.net  Mon Apr 19 23:25:03 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:25:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
In-Reply-To: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000a01c42654$c92d15e0$137cce80@Tweezzy>

What's your phone number again? :) 
Gabe

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Gimli
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:07 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of
John M. Tooley
Sent: 19 April 2004 21:59
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


Have the telephone bell ringer hooked up to AC and terminated in your metal
chair. You will hear the bell! ;-)
 
Fellow limey,
John T.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Nelson <mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>  
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>  
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes

Guys
 
I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I was would
like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to listen to
music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone rings!  So, I
was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling headphones as, I
understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let the music sing
through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, like a telephone
ringing.
 
Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?
 
Gra'

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 23:26:53 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:26:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
In-Reply-To: <000a01c42654$c92d15e0$137cce80@Tweezzy>
Message-ID: <000501c42655$09033fa0$72c54c51@oemcomputer>

Message911
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of calijente at gmx.net
  Sent: 19 April 2004 22:25
  To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


  What's your phone number again? :)
  Gabe
    -----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Gimli
    Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:07 PM
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    Subject: RE: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


    mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
      -----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of John M. Tooley
      Sent: 19 April 2004 21:59
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      Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


      Have the telephone bell ringer hooked up to AC and terminated in your
metal chair. You will hear the bell! ;-)

      Fellow limey,
      John T.

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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Tue Apr 20 00:30:53 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:30:53 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] noise canceling phones
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 04:53:16 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:53:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
References: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer>
	<003601c42653$f836f9b0$b1b10642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <Law10-OE27c4ugR85rX0001f531@hotmail.com>

Please...don't be stupid...!

We want to have a serious forum here...I hope???
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John M. Tooley 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


  Your easy ;-)
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gimli 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:06 PM
    Subject: RE: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


    mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
      -----Original Message-----
      From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley
      Sent: 19 April 2004 21:59
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


      Have the telephone bell ringer hooked up to AC and terminated in your metal chair. You will hear the bell! ;-)

      Fellow limey,
      John T.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Nelson 
        To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
        Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:38 PM
        Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


        Guys

        I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I was would like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to listen to music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone rings!  So, I was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling headphones as, I understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let the music sing through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, like a telephone ringing.

        Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?

        Gra'


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 04:59:44 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:59:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Help please with CR1E
References: <018101c42654$ddae1be0$70e64d51@p4>
Message-ID: <Law10-OE13e8gGnJgIq00016817@hotmail.com>

Shalom David!

Two days earlier I received a Dragon unit, that 20 years was boxed and
un-used!

I leave Powered ON...when was connected, and ALL the
faults..."Automatically"...(Don't ask me HOW???) disappears. Try doing the
same...or IF was used regularly...maybe your model have Rubber Belts, change
them!!!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Foley" <david at djfol.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:25 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Help please with CR1E


> I fairly recently purchased a CR1E which although modest by many
comparisons
> wasa big step up in quality from my previous deck.
>
> I began to enjoy and rediscover many pre-recorded recordings and picked up
> many in charity shops for very little outlay.
>
> This weekend the deck developed a fault. On loading with a pre-recorded
> cassette, the 'pause' and 'play' buttons both lit up and nothing will
> operate - no play, no fast forward! Nor will the deck let me eject the
> tape!! Help!!! I've tried switching the deck off, leaving it for some
hours
> and then powering up again - to no avail.
>
> Any advice or helpful comments will be much appreciated.
>
> Best Wishes
> David
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 04:15:14 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:15:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
Message-ID: <BAY2-F14eKzGZuNY1SW000194a4@hotmail.com>

GET A LIFE AND LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:53:16 +0200
>
>Please...don't be stupid...!
>
>We want to have a serious forum here...I hope???
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: John M. Tooley
>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>   Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:18 PM
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
>
>
>   Your easy ;-)
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Gimli
>     To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>     Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:06 PM
>     Subject: RE: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
>
>
>     mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
>Behalf Of John M. Tooley
>       Sent: 19 April 2004 21:59
>       To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>       Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
>
>
>       Have the telephone bell ringer hooked up to AC and terminated in 
>your metal chair. You will hear the bell! ;-)
>
>       Fellow limey,
>       John T.
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: Nelson
>         To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>         Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:38 PM
>         Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
>
>
>         Guys
>
>         I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I 
>was would like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to 
>listen to music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone 
>rings!  So, I was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling 
>headphones as, I understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let 
>the music sing through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, 
>like a telephone ringing.
>
>         Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?
>
>         Gra'
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Apr 20 06:01:43 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:01:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Help please with CR1E
In-Reply-To: <Law10-OE13e8gGnJgIq00016817@hotmail.com>
References: <018101c42654$ddae1be0$70e64d51@p4>
	<Law10-OE13e8gGnJgIq00016817@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4084A0A7.20203@rcn.com>


'Fraid not, Alex. You see, your Dragon may have had some leaky 
electrolytics. Leaving it on for a while would tend to fix
this problem. Actually, cycling it (one hour on, one hour off)
would have been far better.

David's problem, though, could be a control motor that has
developed a dead spot. Leaving the unit on in this condition is
not such a good idea. A better approach would be to open the
unit up and try to manually help the motor spin up. If this
helps, it's due for cleaning (at least), overhaul (maybe) or
replacement (worst case).

-- Ron


Alex Cozac wrote:
> Shalom David!
> 
> Two days earlier I received a Dragon unit, that 20 years was boxed and
> un-used!
> 
> I leave Powered ON...when was connected, and ALL the
> faults..."Automatically"...(Don't ask me HOW???) disappears. Try doing the
> same...or IF was used regularly...maybe your model have Rubber Belts, change
> them!!!
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Foley" <david at djfol.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:25 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Help please with CR1E
> 
> 
> 
>>I fairly recently purchased a CR1E which although modest by many
> 
> comparisons
> 
>>wasa big step up in quality from my previous deck.
>>
>>I began to enjoy and rediscover many pre-recorded recordings and picked up
>>many in charity shops for very little outlay.
>>
>>This weekend the deck developed a fault. On loading with a pre-recorded
>>cassette, the 'pause' and 'play' buttons both lit up and nothing will
>>operate - no play, no fast forward! Nor will the deck let me eject the
>>tape!! Help!!! I've tried switching the deck off, leaving it for some
> 
> hours
> 
>>and then powering up again - to no avail.
>>
>>Any advice or helpful comments will be much appreciated.
>>
>>Best Wishes
>>David




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 09:10:47 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:10:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Help please with CR1E
References: <018101c42654$ddae1be0$70e64d51@p4><Law10-OE13e8gGnJgIq00016817@hotmail.com>
	<4084A0A7.20203@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <LAW10-OE41GLdsJHRp5000244f2@hotmail.com>

Shalom Ron,

Your knowledge is 100% better that mine. Just now I'm "Working"...with my
Gifted for Free Dragon, I'm recoding from a CD, using a new Fuji DR/2 Chrome
type cassette 100 minutes length, and all work flawless...Seems that the 36
continuously "OM"...really help. Of course before I clean very carefully and
tediously the head and all that contact with the tape, and after so  degauss
all with my "100% Professionally...Hand-D-Mag" Demagnetizer.
Something very interesting... In "Source"...the bars are equal, in
"Tape"...are lower and NOT so equally!...Seems me that definitively...I must
stack on TDK SA brand cassette. This much cheaper Fuji DR/2 type...works
however my feeling is that my Nak Dragon....the matching is NOT 100%!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help please with CR1E


>
> 'Fraid not, Alex. You see, your Dragon may have had some leaky
> electrolytics. Leaving it on for a while would tend to fix
> this problem. Actually, cycling it (one hour on, one hour off)
> would have been far better.
>
> David's problem, though, could be a control motor that has
> developed a dead spot. Leaving the unit on in this condition is
> not such a good idea. A better approach would be to open the
> unit up and try to manually help the motor spin up. If this
> helps, it's due for cleaning (at least), overhaul (maybe) or
> replacement (worst case).
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> Alex Cozac wrote:
> > Shalom David!
> >
> > Two days earlier I received a Dragon unit, that 20 years was boxed and
> > un-used!
> >
> > I leave Powered ON...when was connected, and ALL the
> > faults..."Automatically"...(Don't ask me HOW???) disappears. Try doing
the
> > same...or IF was used regularly...maybe your model have Rubber Belts,
change
> > them!!!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Foley" <david at djfol.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:25 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Help please with CR1E
> >
> >
> >
> >>I fairly recently purchased a CR1E which although modest by many
> >
> > comparisons
> >
> >>wasa big step up in quality from my previous deck.
> >>
> >>I began to enjoy and rediscover many pre-recorded recordings and picked
up
> >>many in charity shops for very little outlay.
> >>
> >>This weekend the deck developed a fault. On loading with a pre-recorded
> >>cassette, the 'pause' and 'play' buttons both lit up and nothing will
> >>operate - no play, no fast forward! Nor will the deck let me eject the
> >>tape!! Help!!! I've tried switching the deck off, leaving it for some
> >
> > hours
> >
> >>and then powering up again - to no avail.
> >>
> >>Any advice or helpful comments will be much appreciated.
> >>
> >>Best Wishes
> >>David
>
>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Apr 20 08:26:33 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:26:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series.
Message-ID: <s084df6c.047@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Dariush,

This is fascinating!!  I would love to have a copy of that Audio mag report/test.  Equally, I have some tests here performed also in the early 90s by What Hi-Fi Magazine.  Am just out of town till the end of the week, but perhaps we can do an exchange!!!  I'll contact you when I get back.

Cheers,

Marc



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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 10:08:21 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:08:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
Message-ID: <LAW10-OE50t24UVvjMa00003f9a@hotmail.com>

Shalom Nak...Folks!

I'm very disappointed with the " Dragon's Ergonomics"...such EXTREMELY
UN-CLEAR buttons on Dolby/Eq/Tape-Source...etc. I MUST...look very slow and
careful if it's "IN"...or "OUT"...! !!!NOT LIGHTS AT ALL...SHOWING IF IS
ENGAGED OR NOT!!!

Niro Nakamichi in this "Human Ergonometric Design...REALLY FAIL!

That is my conclusion!

Sincerely,

ALEX!


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From bobobozo at netzero.net  Mon Apr 19 17:37:20 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.net (bobobozo at netzero.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:37:20 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20040419.083750.28639.396164@webmail10.lax.untd.com>



Hi:
Are there amy pdf s of Nak 700 manual and/or service manuals available?
  What is the skivvy on these old beauts?
   Any history or myths I should know about?
  thanks

bob charlanza
610.775.9354 wknds
570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m.
epcn2001 at hotmail.com (work)
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From ordwaw1 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 19 20:44:01 2004
From: ordwaw1 at comcast.net (ORDWAW1)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:44:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series - current tapes better than 11 years ago
	(?)
In-Reply-To: <Law10-OE20HvoFOAmEa000123a4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEECMCCAA.ordwaw1@comcast.net>

Alex - have to disagree with you regarding current tapes being better than
11 years ago.

I would much rather take the TDK SA or SA-X from 1993 than the models I can
buy now. At a minimum, the cassette shells used to have screws, and were
much more reliable. This same holds true for Maxell, Sony, etc.

Secondly, many of the tapes that I used to buy in the past are no longer
available. TDK MA-X/MA-XG, TDK AR-X, Sony Metal Master, Sony Metal ES, etc.
And none of the tapes currently on the market, less or more expensive,
provide similar quality.

I have never been to Israel, but knowing what is available in North America,
Europe, and Japan - I can't think that you will get there much more.

Stan
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Alex Cozac
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:24 PM
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK AM series.


  Shalom Folks!

  Concerning all the tapes from 11 years ago...TODAY...all the cheaper or
newer models, are far better that 11 years earlier!

  SO...here in Israel, is possible to obtain, Fuji DR type 2, or as branded
in Japan, Axia (To my knowledge...far better that the "Export" branded
Fuji)...much cheaper that the "Premium" brands as TDK/Maxell?Scotch, etc...!

  Sincerely,

  ALEX!
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Mohseni Dariush
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:05 PM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK AM series.


      Hi Mark,

      Thank you for your information. After reading your e-mail, I went and
checked my cassette collection and there was only one TDK D.( I always
calibrate the tape before recording.)
      The bass was very good but the sound was somehow not very good and
perhaps a bit thin. Back in June 1993, Audio magazine tested 51 different
tapes. Here is some interesting findings:

      Type 1 tapes: Out of 14 tapes shown,
      1- Maxell XL1, Sony ES-1 tie with 72%
      3- TDK DS-X 67%
      4-TDK D 55%

      Type 2 tapes: Out of 23 tapes,
      1- Fuji Z11 85%
      2- Fuji FR-11x Pro 80%
      3- TDK SAX 79%
      Sony UX-Pro, Fuji DR-11, Fuji FR-11x  78%
      7- Sony UX 77%
      8- TDK SA, Maxell XL11 76%

      Type 4 tapes: Out of 14 tapes,

      1- TDK MA-XG 92%
      2- Sony Metal Master 91%
      3- Maxell MX 88%
      4- Sony Metal SR, Maxell MS-S  87%
      6- TDK MA-X, Maxell Metal Vertex  86%,
      8- TDK MA  85%

      The numbers are absolute so one can compare among different types. So
we can say that Fuji Z11 ties with TDK MA both with  85%. This is a very
interesting report. I advise Nalktalkers who are interested in tape
performance to read it:

      http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/review.htm

      At the bottom of the page:

      Mass Tape Test - 51 Cassettes: The Second Greatest Cassette Test
Ever.- Audio, 1993, No. 6, p. 38

      You need to install DjVu in order to read it.

      Regards,
      Dariush.



      Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za> wrote:
        Hi Dariush,

        TDK D is a respectable type 1 with a reliable mechanism (with inner
and outer shell reinforcement ribs since 1991 - could be the IIC) and a very
durable tape itself.

        It has a quite a fresh, upbeat, vital sound and delivers consistent
figures under test, although the formulation has changed quite often over
the years. As a bog standard type 1, I would rate it ahead of Sony HF and
slightly ahead for most applications of Maxell UR. Of course it depends how
you use it and whether you calibrate the deck to the type. It's streets
ahead of it's own sibling, the "B", which I would regard as TDK 'voice'
grade type I. Actually, I find D very good for recording commercial (often
quite compressed) music without dolby!!

        However, your point that D is no match for SA-X or MA from the same
stable is clear. If the figures don't speak for themselves, which they!
always should to an extent (sensitivity, max treble level, max bass/mid,
dynamic range etc) then listening immediately will. SA-X and metals in
general are serious Nak-food.

        Have a great weekend!!

        Marc




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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Apr 20 09:14:50 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:14:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
Message-ID: <s084ea25.013@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Shalom Alex,

In a way, you're right.  Nakamichi never considered, or perhaps a better word is "prioritsed" ease of use in that sense.   Their main concerns lay under the bonnet (hood, for our US friends).  I have a 480Z and I have to peer very closely to check EQ and NR settings, to make sure all is in order.

But in the end, it's worth it!!

Cheers,

Marc

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From TSmith1315 at aol.com  Mon Apr 19 04:37:45 2004
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:37:45 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] W&F Analyzer
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Just an FYI for anyone interested...

BPI wow & flutter analyzer on ebay, and cheap at the moment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=58286&item=3810084086

I have no affiliation with the seller, just a heads up for fellow tapers.

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Apr 20 09:28:04 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:28:04 +0200
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Hi Bob,

One thing I will say (and I don't own one) is that the 700TT is a bit tricky to get parts for but it sometimes can be done (I think Jeff Galin on the US East coast can help sometimes).  But they do sound brilliant!!  A friend did a recording for me onto top=flight BASF tape without Dolby and this cassette sounds rich, warn and detailed.  Utterly realistic.

Good luck,

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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 09:34:05 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:34:05 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
Message-ID: <BAY9-F60aebG6NdrxYE0003d6c4@hotmail.com>

Well Alex, If you're so disappointed with the Dragon, I'd be willing to help 
you out  - just send it to me and you'll never have to face its ugly front 
panel again. I'll even pay for the shipping -:).

George


----Original Message Follows----
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:08:21 +0200

Shalom Nak...Folks!

I'm very disappointed with the " Dragon's Ergonomics"...such EXTREMELY
UN-CLEAR buttons on Dolby/Eq/Tape-Source...etc. I MUST...look very slow and
careful if it's "IN"...or "OUT"...! !!!NOT LIGHTS AT ALL...SHOWING IF IS
ENGAGED OR NOT!!!

Niro Nakamichi in this "Human Ergonometric Design...REALLY FAIL!

That is my conclusion!

Sincerely,

ALEX!


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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Apr 20 09:26:40 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:26:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] W&F Analyzer
References: <1dc.1f4c435a.2db49579@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003301c426a8$d2e59900$f8e44d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

shame he only post it to the us, and ended very cheap!
p
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:37 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] W&F Analyzer


  Just an FYI for anyone interested...

  BPI wow & flutter analyzer on ebay, and cheap at the moment.

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Apr 20 09:38:49 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:38:49 +0100
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i must agree, recordings made on my 700 sound far better than any others,
a seller on ebay is 'selling' belts for the 700 but they are not actual nak
replacements these are the only parts ive seen for the deck
p



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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject)


> Hi Bob,
>
> One thing I will say (and I don't own one) is that the 700TT is a bit
tricky to get parts for but it sometimes can be done (I think Jeff Galin on
the US East coast can help sometimes).  But they do sound brilliant!!  A
friend did a recording for me onto top=flight BASF tape without Dolby and
this cassette sounds rich, warn and detailed.  Utterly realistic.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Marc
>
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From masonmjs at runbox.com  Tue Apr 20 09:47:57 2004
From: masonmjs at runbox.com (Mike Mason)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:47:57 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
Message-ID: <E1BFpz4-0005g9-1e@fetch-bak.runbox.com>

Shalom Alex,

Quit griping (look up English slang), you got the unit for nothing (??), and it's what it sounds like that matters.  Anyway, its 20 years old - whadya expect ??.

Mike
(extremely jealous)


> Shalom Nak...Folks!
> 
> I'm very disappointed with the " Dragon's Ergonomics"...such EXTREMELY
> UN-CLEAR buttons on Dolby/Eq/Tape-Source...etc. I MUST...look very slow and
> careful if it's "IN"...or "OUT"...! !!!NOT LIGHTS AT ALL...SHOWING IF IS
> ENGAGED OR NOT!!!
> 
> Niro Nakamichi in this "Human Ergonometric Design...REALLY FAIL!
> 
> That is my conclusion!
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> ALEX!
> 
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 10:56:57 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:56:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
References: <BAY9-F60aebG6NdrxYE0003d6c4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Law10-OE25r2WX9pIQz000243c5@hotmail.com>

Shalom my Dear Buddy George!

Soon you will receive some "DIGIT PHOTOS"...of my received totally FREE
Dragon! Be 100% sure! I intend to kept...FIRST...!, in memory of my passed
away friend and previous owner!

All the best!

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Valkov" <g_valkov at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed


> Well Alex, If you're so disappointed with the Dragon, I'd be willing to
help
> you out  - just send it to me and you'll never have to face its ugly front
> panel again. I'll even pay for the shipping -:).
>
> George
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:08:21 +0200
>
> Shalom Nak...Folks!
>
> I'm very disappointed with the " Dragon's Ergonomics"...such EXTREMELY
> UN-CLEAR buttons on Dolby/Eq/Tape-Source...etc. I MUST...look very slow
and
> careful if it's "IN"...or "OUT"...! !!!NOT LIGHTS AT ALL...SHOWING IF IS
> ENGAGED OR NOT!!!
>
> Niro Nakamichi in this "Human Ergonometric Design...REALLY FAIL!
>
> That is my conclusion!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ALEX!
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 11:09:08 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:09:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK AM series - current tapes better than 11 years
	ago(?)
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEECMCCAA.ordwaw1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <LAW10-OE63R2uVX1KBy00024237@hotmail.com>

Lovely Stan,

I 100% agree with your basically point of view! During the 80 > 90ties, the cassette saga was very high, and the leading brands really market notable better Cassette Housing; that today, however my currently "AXIA"..Japan's local market cassettes all write in Japanese language, remain with screws...of course the cheaper Sony "Normal" type NO MORE screws...to expensive al welded, something NOT GOOD...throw away and buy a new one...or another brand.
BUT...the tape coating itself...is far better that those from the 90ties. I strongly agree that NO MORE LIMITED EXOTIC METAL HOUSING..was to expensive to made...and to my common sense they DON'T sold those expensive cassettes in great quantity. Just finish to hear automatically the two sides of my today's recorded cassette and the machine works miracle well! TILL WHEN????????!

Sincerely;

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK AM series - current tapes better than 11 years ago(?)


  Alex - have to disagree with you regarding current tapes being better than 11 years ago.

  I would much rather take the TDK SA or SA-X from 1993 than the models I can buy now. At a minimum, the cassette shells used to have screws, and were much more reliable. This same holds true for Maxell, Sony, etc. 

  Secondly, many of the tapes that I used to buy in the past are no longer available. TDK MA-X/MA-XG, TDK AR-X, Sony Metal Master, Sony Metal ES, etc. And none of the tapes currently on the market, less or more expensive, provide similar quality. 

  I have never been to Israel, but knowing what is available in North America, Europe, and Japan - I can't think that you will get there much more. 

  Stan   
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    Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:24 PM
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK AM series.


    Shalom Folks!

    Concerning all the tapes from 11 years ago...TODAY...all the cheaper or newer models, are far better that 11 years earlier!

    SO...here in Israel, is possible to obtain, Fuji DR type 2, or as branded in Japan, Axia (To my knowledge...far better that the "Export" branded Fuji)...much cheaper that the "Premium" brands as TDK/Maxell?Scotch, etc...!

    Sincerely,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Mohseni Dariush 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:05 PM
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK AM series.


        Hi Mark,

        Thank you for your information. After reading your e-mail, I went and checked my cassette collection and there was only one TDK D.( I always calibrate the tape before recording.)
        The bass was very good but the sound was somehow not very good and perhaps a bit thin. Back in June 1993, Audio magazine tested 51 different tapes. Here is some interesting findings:

        Type 1 tapes: Out of 14 tapes shown,
        1- Maxell XL1, Sony ES-1 tie with 72%
        3- TDK DS-X 67%
        4-TDK D 55%

        Type 2 tapes: Out of 23 tapes,
        1- Fuji Z11 85%
        2- Fuji FR-11x Pro 80%
        3- TDK SAX 79%
        Sony UX-Pro, Fuji DR-11, Fuji FR-11x  78%
        7- Sony UX 77%
        8- TDK SA, Maxell XL11 76%

        Type 4 tapes: Out of 14 tapes,

        1- TDK MA-XG 92%
        2- Sony Metal Master 91%
        3- Maxell MX 88%
        4- Sony Metal SR, Maxell MS-S  87%
        6- TDK MA-X, Maxell Metal Vertex  86%,
        8- TDK MA  85%

        The numbers are absolute so one can compare among different types. So we can say that Fuji Z11 ties with TDK MA both with  85%. This is a very interesting report. I advise Nalktalkers who are interested in tape performance to read it:

        http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/review.htm

        At the bottom of the page:

        Mass Tape Test - 51 Cassettes: The Second Greatest Cassette Test Ever.- Audio, 1993, No. 6, p. 38 

        You need to install DjVu in order to read it.

        Regards,
        Dariush.



        Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za> wrote:
          Hi Dariush,

          TDK D is a respectable type 1 with a reliable mechanism (with inner and outer shell reinforcement ribs since 1991 - could be the IIC) and a very durable tape itself.

          It has a quite a fresh, upbeat, vital sound and delivers consistent figures under test, although the formulation has changed quite often over the years. As a bog standard type 1, I would rate it ahead of Sony HF and slightly ahead for most applications of Maxell UR. Of course it depends how you use it and whether you calibrate the deck to the type. It's streets ahead of it's own sibling, the "B", which I would regard as TDK 'voice' grade type I. Actually, I find D very good for recording commercial (often quite compressed) music without dolby!!

          However, your point that D is no match for SA-X or MA from the same stable is clear. If the figures don't speak for themselves, which they! always should to an extent (sensitivity, max treble level, max bass/mid, dynamic range etc) then listening immediately will. SA-X and metals in general are serious Nak-food.

          Have a great weekend!!

          Marc




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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 11:14:49 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:14:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
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Shalom Mike,

OK...I knew that was boxed for 20 years! However...the "Human
Design"...fail!!! Sorry!
Don't tell me that for Niro Nakamichi...was "IMPOSSIBLE"...to add some bar
light...which will show if per example the Dolby is IN or OUT...B or
C...etc...! For the Original retailed price...was possible to add such
common sense conveniences...Did you agree...Mike?!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mason" <masonmjs at runbox.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed


> Shalom Alex,
>
> Quit griping (look up English slang), you got the unit for nothing (??),
and it's what it sounds like that matters.  Anyway, its 20 years old -
whadya expect ??.
>
> Mike
> (extremely jealous)
>
>
> > Shalom Nak...Folks!
> >
> > I'm very disappointed with the " Dragon's Ergonomics"...such EXTREMELY
> > UN-CLEAR buttons on Dolby/Eq/Tape-Source...etc. I MUST...look very slow
and
> > careful if it's "IN"...or "OUT"...! !!!NOT LIGHTS AT ALL...SHOWING IF IS
> > ENGAGED OR NOT!!!
> >
> > Niro Nakamichi in this "Human Ergonometric Design...REALLY FAIL!
> >
> > That is my conclusion!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > ALEX!
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 12:19:15 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:19:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] It's true?
Message-ID: <Law10-OE27BceuVDTdc0001f8df@hotmail.com>

Folks!

Now I'm listening cassettes, and seems me that the Dragon "WIND"...the
leader cleaning tape, till the beginning of the tape...isn't that true?

I'm listening old TDK-SA 90 minutes made in US and Japan, from the middle
80ties, that was made by during my once owned Nak. Tri tracer 100/2.
However..maybe I'm wrong...but...with this Dragon..those old tapes, sounds a
little bit muddily...! Or maybe I'm wrong! For an a very long time those two
dozens tapes that were recorded with the 1000/2, was not played.

Sincerely,

ALEX!


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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Apr 20 16:12:32 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:12:32 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
References: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer>
	<003601c42653$f836f9b0$b1b10642@johnnyrotten>
	<Law10-OE27c4ugR85rX0001f531@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c426e1$9d6ed500$34299bca@aisha>


Please watch your language, other than shared Nak interest we're here as
friends.  This Nak group has its own rule and if you hope everybody to
follow your rules go make your own group.

Regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Cozac
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks

Please...don't be stupid...!

We want to have a serious forum here...I hope???
----- Original Message -----
From: John M. Tooley


Your easy ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Gimli
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks


mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of
John M. Tooley




From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Apr 20 18:05:36 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:05:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
In-Reply-To: <007d01c426e1$9d6ed500$34299bca@aisha>
References: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer>	<003601c42653$f836f9b0$b1b10642@johnnyrotten>	<Law10-OE27c4ugR85rX0001f531@hotmail.com>
	<007d01c426e1$9d6ed500$34299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <40854A50.9030107@rcn.com>


Salim,

Please do not be angry with Alex. What we have here is a clash of 
cultures. Alex's response came in the wake of friendly bantering
between Graham and two other gentlemen. I am sure Alex was kidding
and intended no offense; However, in the translation -- and
lacking the customary smiley face  -- it came across as a crass
remark.

Remember, 'shalom' means 'peace'.

-- Ron


Salim Marzuki wrote:

> Please watch your language, other than shared Nak interest we're here as
> friends.  This Nak group has its own rule and if you hope everybody to
> follow your rules go make your own group.
> 
> Regards,
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Cozac
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> 
> Please...don't be stupid...!
> 
> We want to have a serious forum here...I hope???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John M. Tooley
> 
> 
> Your easy ;-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gimli
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> 
> 
> mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> John M. Tooley
>




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Apr 20 18:27:27 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:27:27 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
References: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer>
	<003601c42653$f836f9b0$b1b10642@johnnyrotten>
	<Law10-OE27c4ugR85rX0001f531@hotmail.com>
	<007d01c426e1$9d6ed500$34299bca@aisha> <40854A50.9030107@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <001301c426f4$5f769860$60299bca@aisha>


Well, the use of red big bold letters is usually far from friendly.  In any
case I might be wrong and let's continue naktalking in friendly manner !

Peace,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Ron
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks


Salim,

Please do not be angry with Alex. What we have here is a clash of
cultures. Alex's response came in the wake of friendly bantering
between Graham and two other gentlemen. I am sure Alex was kidding
and intended no offense; However, in the translation -- and
lacking the customary smiley face  -- it came across as a crass
remark.

Remember, 'shalom' means 'peace'.

-- Ron






From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Tue Apr 20 20:26:41 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:26:41 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] mic for spectrum analyzer
Message-ID: <22033370@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 18:54:08 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:54:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
References: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer><003601c42653$f836f9b0$b1b10642@johnnyrotten><Law10-OE27c4ugR85rX0001f531@hotmail.com>
	<007d01c426e1$9d6ed500$34299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <Law10-OE61wWpSWerOc000246cc@hotmail.com>

Dear Salim,

Did you mean to me? I dislike very much what people wrote! Like you, I want
to read all what really concerns to the Nak fans!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


>
> Please watch your language, other than shared Nak interest we're here as
> friends.  This Nak group has its own rule and if you hope everybody to
> follow your rules go make your own group.
>
> Regards,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Cozac
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>
> Please...don't be stupid...!
>
> We want to have a serious forum here...I hope???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John M. Tooley
>
>
> Your easy ;-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gimli
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>
>
> mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
> John M. Tooley
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Apr 20 18:05:58 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:05:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
In-Reply-To: <007d01c426e1$9d6ed500$34299bca@aisha>
References: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer>
	<003601c42653$f836f9b0$b1b10642@johnnyrotten>
	<Law10-OE27c4ugR85rX0001f531@hotmail.com>
	<007d01c426e1$9d6ed500$34299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <1082477158.40854a66583bc@mail.ce.net>

Lighten up guys! Lifes to short ;-)

John T.

Quoting Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>:

> 
> Please watch your language, other than shared Nak interest we're here as
> friends.  This Nak group has its own rule and if you hope everybody to
> follow your rules go make your own group.
> 
> Regards,
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Cozac
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> 
> Please...don't be stupid...!
> 
> We want to have a serious forum here...I hope???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John M. Tooley
> 
> 
> Your easy ;-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gimli
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> 
> 
> mmmMMMmmmm .... you know, I just might enjoy that ....  :o)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
> Of
> John M. Tooley
> 
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From bobf at oodg.net  Tue Apr 20 20:32:48 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:32:48 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] noise canceling phones
In-Reply-To: <21999955@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <200404201831.ATR44814@ms9.netsolmail.com>

I love the Bose Noise canceling phones I have.

But ... since the ring volume on the phone is set low, and
the passive portion on the headset is good, I do not hear the 
phone over the music.  I play the music quite low since it does not
have noise to overcome but still occasionally miss calls.

I do set my cell phone on the desk in front of me and I hear it
since the ring tone is higher pitched.

You can often find the Bose phones on eBay at a good savings over the $300+
asking price from Bose.

Bob Folline

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Lifton
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 15:11
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] noise canceling phones

I just wear ear-bud type headphones when I'm working. Music sounds lousy and
I can still hear the phone (or saw).

I believe Dr. Lirpa developed some headphones that worked on the principle
of eliminating noise at the source. Unfortunately they were quite heavy when
fully loaded and there were considerable lawsuits.

best,
Fred

--- You wrote:
  I work in a cramped open plan office.  There's a lot of noise!  I was
would like to take a cassette walkman into the office sometimes, to listen
to music while I work.  But I still need to know when the phone rings!  So,
I was thinking about getting some of those noise cancelling headphones as, I
understand, they take out the ambient droning noise, let the music sing
through the silence but don't cancel out the sudden noises, like a telephone
ringing.

  Any recommendations on noise cancelling headphones?

  Gra'
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 23:15:05 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:15:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
References: <000501c42652$387b6080$72c54c51@oemcomputer><003601c42653$f836f9b0$b1b10642@johnnyrotten><Law10-OE27c4ugR85rX0001f531@hotmail.com><007d01c426e1$9d6ed500$34299bca@aisha>
	<40854A50.9030107@rcn.com> <001301c426f4$5f769860$60299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <LAW10-OE5564Jmn8eeG0000d7aa@hotmail.com>

First of all Thanks so much Ron for your kindly help that you provide for
me, and your culture explanation. That was exactly what I mean...among
Graham and the other two educated members/Nak owners. Sincerely I dislike
very much such "Nonsense"...battering. First to my knowledge, my dear Salim,
I don't use Red Bolds letters!.

Shalom to Ron and Salim, continue all enjoying our Naks...!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


>
> Well, the use of red big bold letters is usually far from friendly.  In
any
> case I might be wrong and let's continue naktalking in friendly manner !
>
> Peace,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>
>
> Salim,
>
> Please do not be angry with Alex. What we have here is a clash of
> cultures. Alex's response came in the wake of friendly bantering
> between Graham and two other gentlemen. I am sure Alex was kidding
> and intended no offense; However, in the translation -- and
> lacking the customary smiley face  -- it came across as a crass
> remark.
>
> Remember, 'shalom' means 'peace'.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Apr 20 22:55:51 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:55:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
In-Reply-To: <LAW10-OE50t24UVvjMa00003f9a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c42719$dd91c4c0$7fac87d9@oemcomputer>

Heart full Disappointed?   Alex, behave!  You don't look a gift horse in the
mouth ...  Next, you'll be complaining because the widow didn't bother
getting the Orange caps replaced before she gave it to you ...  :o)

Grinham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alex Cozac
> Sent: 20 April 2004 09:08
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Heart full Disappointed
>
>
> Shalom Nak...Folks!
>
> I'm very disappointed with the " Dragon's Ergonomics"...such EXTREMELY
> UN-CLEAR buttons on Dolby/Eq/Tape-Source...etc. I MUST...look
> very slow and
> careful if it's "IN"...or "OUT"...! !!!NOT LIGHTS AT ALL...SHOWING IF IS
> ENGAGED OR NOT!!!
>
> Niro Nakamichi in this "Human Ergonometric Design...REALLY FAIL!
>
> That is my conclusion!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ALEX!
>
>
>
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 21 00:42:16 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:42:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Noise-cancelling headphones
Message-ID: <BAY9-F24jYhAOylhgnF000387eb@hotmail.com>

Graham,

It's the May issue of Hi-Fi News, page 49. They're called Sennheiser 
NoiseGard PXC 250 (at least I got the 250 bit right in my first email -:). 
RRP is 89.95 pounds. They're based on the PX series, i.e. they are a "ultra 
compact fold-flat model weighing only 65g". Ken Kessler claims "The closed 
cups also endow the headphone with acceptable bass yet still allow you to 
hear in-flight staff asking if you can stomach a BA cheese roll" - I guess 
you might be able to hear your phone ringing after all -:). You should be 
able to see tham at sennheiser.co.uk.

George

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From jmo at sireconnect.de  Wed Apr 21 00:02:50 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:02:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F4nCPPY8O9FrYR0006c7c0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040421000250.01386a30@mail.sireconnect.de>

At 21:16 19.04.2004 +0000, George Valkov wrote:
>Recently I came across a good review of some new noise-cancelling 
>Sennheisers, but I can't find it out. I think the model number was something 
>like HD-250, but I could be wrong.

Could be you've read about the Sennheiser PXC 250. It's rather light,
foldable and with a 3,5mm plug. It's supposed to be a little bass-intense
to compensate for a lack thereof with mp3-players. It's also said to be a
really good for HiFi, given the design goals. It's probably not High End,
however.
I have the PX 100 (open, light version without noise compensation) and I
like it. I can't say anything about the NoiseGuard stuff; if, how or how
good it works, although I read it's working mostly on frequencies < 1000Hz
(subway rumble etc).

regards, Joerg


From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Tue Apr 20 23:25:11 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:25:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...
In-Reply-To: <LAW10-OE5564Jmn8eeG0000d7aa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEDFCCAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Alex - welcome to the list. Seems you have become a dominant participant in
the discussions over the last few days. Let me share with you a few
observations ...

As Salim has indicated, this is a discussion list, but also, over the course
of the years, several of us have become friends. The exchange of e-mails
between Graham and the other members was actually funny. I think it was
relatively surprising to see your 'friendly reply'. I read your reply the
same way as Salim. [And even though you disagree, your reply was dispayed in
my MS Outlook using 18 point arial font in bold and red in the first line.]

Again, since this is a friendly list, Ron, used the 'honey' approach to
ensure that Salim and you will be friends. Trust me, the this was not
nonsense battering.

My reply may be more direct, but I hope it will be taken as constructive
feedback.

We are all happy to have a new Dragon owner on the list.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Alex Cozac
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:15 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


First of all Thanks so much Ron for your kindly help that you provide for
me, and your culture explanation. That was exactly what I mean...among
Graham and the other two educated members/Nak owners. Sincerely I dislike
very much such "Nonsense"...battering. First to my knowledge, my dear Salim,
I don't use Red Bolds letters!.

Shalom to Ron and Salim, continue all enjoying our Naks...!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes


>
> Well, the use of red big bold letters is usually far from friendly.  In
any
> case I might be wrong and let's continue naktalking in friendly manner !
>
> Peace,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>
>
> Salim,
>
> Please do not be angry with Alex. What we have here is a clash of
> cultures. Alex's response came in the wake of friendly bantering
> between Graham and two other gentlemen. I am sure Alex was kidding
> and intended no offense; However, in the translation -- and
> lacking the customary smiley face  -- it came across as a crass
> remark.
>
> Remember, 'shalom' means 'peace'.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 21 12:52:34 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:52:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEDFCCAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV546tfUDbbk00000601@hotmail.com>

Dear Stan,

I already Learn...! No more observations...or something equal! I will
read...and if I don't like it...NO REPLY from me! May way of point will be
the VERY BEST...to all our Nak fans!!!
By the way...today, I for the first time record from my turntable, I have an
a very extensive library of near 13,000 Lp records. Using a new TDX-SA-X 100
made in US (Seems me that the shell was made there, the tape came from
Japan), THE RESULTS IS AMAZING...!

All the best to all Nak fans!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:25 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...


> Alex - welcome to the list. Seems you have become a dominant participant
in
> the discussions over the last few days. Let me share with you a few
> observations ...
>
> As Salim has indicated, this is a discussion list, but also, over the
course
> of the years, several of us have become friends. The exchange of e-mails
> between Graham and the other members was actually funny. I think it was
> relatively surprising to see your 'friendly reply'. I read your reply the
> same way as Salim. [And even though you disagree, your reply was dispayed
in
> my MS Outlook using 18 point arial font in bold and red in the first
line.]
>
> Again, since this is a friendly list, Ron, used the 'honey' approach to
> ensure that Salim and you will be friends. Trust me, the this was not
> nonsense battering.
>
> My reply may be more direct, but I hope it will be taken as constructive
> feedback.
>
> We are all happy to have a new Dragon owner on the list.
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alex Cozac
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:15 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
>
>
> First of all Thanks so much Ron for your kindly help that you provide for
> me, and your culture explanation. That was exactly what I mean...among
> Graham and the other two educated members/Nak owners. Sincerely I dislike
> very much such "Nonsense"...battering. First to my knowledge, my dear
Salim,
> I don't use Red Bolds letters!.
>
> Shalom to Ron and Salim, continue all enjoying our Naks...!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
>
>
> >
> > Well, the use of red big bold letters is usually far from friendly.  In
> any
> > case I might be wrong and let's continue naktalking in friendly manner !
> >
> > Peace,
> > Salim SM
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >
> >
> > Salim,
> >
> > Please do not be angry with Alex. What we have here is a clash of
> > cultures. Alex's response came in the wake of friendly bantering
> > between Graham and two other gentlemen. I am sure Alex was kidding
> > and intended no offense; However, in the translation -- and
> > lacking the customary smiley face  -- it came across as a crass
> > remark.
> >
> > Remember, 'shalom' means 'peace'.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Wed Apr 21 18:52:57 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:52:57 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters
Message-ID: <22073155@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Apr 21 19:38:37 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:38:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters
Message-ID: <aaf19e3aaef81c.aaef81caaf19e3@vsnl.net>

Fred 
I also saw " stupid" in red bold letters on my browser and it is not the question of red color or bold letter but such expressions on a newly joined list is not a cultural issue. In any culture, you are to observe others actions when you join new before using words denigrating the intelligence - even as a joke. I also feel bit out of place in US as far as response is concerned but I do not use words such as "stupid" unless i am very comfortable with the group! 
I once again do not blame Alex but again he is using words like "Nonsense - " and I think he should better avoid such words till we are comfortable with him!!!

Oh Yeah, We are equally jealous of him acquiring a mint Dragon!!!

Alex- good luck with your Dragon - it is a great machine and ergonomics is not what you expect in a Nak anyway!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:32 am
Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters

> Hi all,
> A quick note from a computer professional: it's entirely possible 
> that one
> person's email client will format an email differently than it was 
> originallyintended by the sender (as appears to have been the case 
> with the recent
> exchange between Alex, Salim, etc). There are so many interactions 
> between MIME
> types, default settings and various servers that's it's hard to be 
> sure what you
> send is what is received. That's why I stick to plain text and, 
> hopefully, clear
> english. Of course, since this list is so international it also 
> pays to read
> between the lines and give non-native speakers the benefit of the 
> doubt...shalom to all,
> Fred
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Wed Apr 21 20:59:12 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:59:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters
Message-ID: <s0867e49.012@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Fred,

Well put, Fred.  Also, plain text takes less memory.  Better all the
way around.  Don't forget why we are keeping these Nak decks going; it's
to "Enjoy the Music!"

Shalom to all, indeed,

Kent

>>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 4/21/04 11:32:18 AM >>>
Hi all,
A quick note from a computer professional: it's entirely possible that
one
person's email client will format an email differently than it was
originally
intended by the sender (as appears to have been the case with the
recent
exchange between Alex, Salim, etc). There are so many interactions
between MIME
types, default settings and various servers that's it's hard to be sure
what you
send is what is received. That's why I stick to plain text and,
hopefully, clear
english. Of course, since this list is so international it also pays to
read
between the lines and give non-native speakers the benefit of the
doubt...
shalom to all,
Fred
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Thu Apr 22 01:54:00 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:54:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] discussion board
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 21 23:06:55 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:06:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters
References: <aaf19e3aaef81c.aaef81caaf19e3@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV989zbgpDI600000a1a@hotmail.com>

Shalom to all of you!

Shame on me...for make so many trouble! My promise that NEVER more I will
use such words!
Also...again and again...sincerely I never mean to offense/offend any body.
I just wrote, I'm newer computer user, also I was born in Peru, South
America, immigrated in 1963 to Israel, and can be that still with me the
"Peruvian Mentality"... and my bad reply was a product of that.
For so...my polite & deep apologies, if some of you feel uncomfortable with
my words. Be Nak buddies again and al, what happen is history...! OK...?

The boxed Dragon was received as a gift...from the widow of an a seriously
music lover together with 80% of his equipment, which now I'm enjoying...and
consist in a ARC SP-9 Series 2 control unit + a Dynaco St-70 also Series 2
by Panor + 10,000 Lp records (All that he owned!),
McIntosh MR-78 with original cabinet tuner, the Nak Dragon with 2 dozens of
TDK-SA-X 100 un-opened cassettes, shell made in US...seems me that the tape
came from Japan and finally his Dual CS-701 /Shure V-15 type 3 MR turntable.
Please I ask very heart fully NOT to hate me because the NAK Dragon don't
cost me nothing...! All will be with me till I will pass also to an a better
life... (I'm 60 year old!).

PS...Today for the first time I recorded from a turntable source...Really
Amazing!

Be in touch, and enjoy your Nak!

Cheers...

ALEX!

----- Original Message -----
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] big red bold letters


> Fred
> I also saw " stupid" in red bold letters on my browser and it is not the
question of red color or bold letter but such expressions on a newly joined
list is not a cultural issue. In any culture, you are to observe others
actions when you join new before using words denigrating the intelligence -
even as a joke. I also feel bit out of place in US as far as response is
concerned but I do not use words such as "stupid" unless i am very
comfortable with the group!
> I once again do not blame Alex but again he is using words like
"Nonsense - " and I think he should better avoid such words till we are
comfortable with him!!!
>
> Oh Yeah, We are equally jealous of him acquiring a mint Dragon!!!
>
> Alex- good luck with your Dragon - it is a great machine and ergonomics is
not what you expect in a Nak anyway!
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:32 am
> Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters
>
> > Hi all,
> > A quick note from a computer professional: it's entirely possible
> > that one
> > person's email client will format an email differently than it was
> > originallyintended by the sender (as appears to have been the case
> > with the recent
> > exchange between Alex, Salim, etc). There are so many interactions
> > between MIME
> > types, default settings and various servers that's it's hard to be
> > sure what you
> > send is what is received. That's why I stick to plain text and,
> > hopefully, clear
> > english. Of course, since this list is so international it also
> > pays to read
> > between the lines and give non-native speakers the benefit of the
> > doubt...shalom to all,
> > Fred
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Wed Apr 21 19:58:16 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:58:16 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Listening to Nakamichi recorded tapes
Message-ID: <103.43c5d174.2db81038@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/19/2004 9:54:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
alexcozac at hotmail.com writes:

> Please...don't be stupid...!
>   
> We want to have a serious forum here...I hope???
> 

Apparently too serious... ;>)

I also received the big red one and would hope that this issue is resolved 
and Alex can slay his new Dragon with the help of this forum! ;<)
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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Thu Apr 22 23:39:24 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:39:24 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] other brands
Message-ID: <20040422.143931.28639.451898@webmail10.lax.untd.com>



I know we are all proud of the marvels of our Nakamichis. But I thought it might be fun to list other decks we've come across that gave NAKs a run for their money.
  Here are my three: Onkyo 2080, Aiwa 6900 and BICs with the 33/4 speeds. Wonderful sounding decks. 
   thanks 

bob charlanza
610.775.9354 wknds
570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m.
epcn2001 at hotmail.com (work)
epcommunitynews.com (website)


From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Apr 22 16:19:46 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:19:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 1
In-Reply-To: <22092376@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040422101822.032eb510@psulias.psu.edu>

How would you compare the Receiver 1 vs the TA-4A?

How about the Cassette Deck 1 compared to say the CR or RX series?

Thanks.



From bobf at oodg.net  Wed Apr 21 20:11:30 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:11:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Noise-cancelling headphones
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F24jYhAOylhgnF000387eb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200404211810.ATV15572@ms9.netsolmail.com>

They are available in the US at
http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=004924

For only $149.95 although likely discounted elsewhere.

Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of George Valkov
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 15:42
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Noise-cancelling headphones

Graham,

It's the May issue of Hi-Fi News, page 49. They're called Sennheiser
NoiseGard PXC 250 (at least I got the 250 bit right in my first email -:). 
RRP is 89.95 pounds. They're based on the PX series, i.e. they are a "ultra
compact fold-flat model weighing only 65g". Ken Kessler claims "The closed
cups also endow the headphone with acceptable bass yet still allow you to
hear in-flight staff asking if you can stomach a BA cheese roll" - I guess
you might be able to hear your phone ringing after all -:). You should be
able to see tham at sennheiser.co.uk.

George

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From fkelly at irpgroup.com  Thu Apr 22 21:45:47 2004
From: fkelly at irpgroup.com (FKelly)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:45:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Playback Head for a Nak 680
Message-ID: <000801c428a2$6b10e9a0$270fa8c0@irpgroup.comq5>

Does anyone have a 680 playback head - in good condition? Mine is bad. The left channel is only putting our 20% what the right does. It was check at a local authorized center (Pittsburgh) and the head is the problem. I have a MR-2 and a 580 deck as well as a Dennon 740 maybe a DR 760 can't remember.

Any help?
Thanks Frank
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From bobf at oodg.net  Wed Apr 21 17:28:45 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:28:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] mic for spectrum analyzer
In-Reply-To: <22033370@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <200404211527.ATU63367@ms9.netsolmail.com>

Fred,

Any good Electret microphone should work well.  The big thing is to
get a microphone that is within 0.5 dB across the audible range.  Check the
specs
sheet before you buy.

I remember the manual for the EQ specified a type of microphone they were
calibrated
to.  Did you get the manual with the EQ?

I put a query out to my sound tech to see if he remembers what they used.
I will let you know IF I get a reply from him.

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Lifton
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:06
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] mic for spectrum analyzer

Hello all,
So, unlike some lucky members of this list (Hi Bob!), I can't afford a
specially set-up room for audio. To help me counteract some of the
deficiences of my room, I got myself an old Luxman eq with a spectrum
analyzer. Problem is, it didn't come with a microphone for the analyzer.
Does anyone know what kind of mic would be appropriate?

Any ideas deeply appreciated.
thx,
Fred
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Apr 22 03:29:50 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:29:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...
Message-ID: <22746-4087200E-734@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

13,000 albums? thats inconcievable.how does one amass a collection lke
that,and where on earth do you keep them all?thats up there with julio
iglesias "knowing" 100,000 women. 

thank you very much,
gerald



From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Fri Apr 23 12:50:52 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:50:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 1
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040422101822.032eb510@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <22092376@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040422101822.032eb510@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040423063000.02a72ec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 10:19 2004/04/22, you wrote:
>How would you compare the Receiver 1 vs the TA-4A?

Except for cosmetics, Receiver 1 is pretty much the same as the more recent 
RE-1. It compares more or less to TA-3A in the TA series (i.e. just below 
TA-4A).


>How about the Cassette Deck 1 compared to say the CR or RX series?

Except for cosmetics, CassetteDeck 1 is pretty much the same as the more 
recent DR-1 and DR-10. It is similar to a CR-3 but with the added benefit 
of manual playback azimuth adjustment, an unusual but quite usefull 
feature, especially if you intend to play tapes recorded on other decks. 
It's a 3-head dual-capstan design so it is somewhat mechanically similar to 
the older RX-505 but, of course, it lacks the UDAR (Uni-Directional 
Auto-Reverse) feature of the RX series.


>Thanks.

Cheers!

-Marc




From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Fri Apr 23 12:55:13 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:55:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...
In-Reply-To: <22746-4087200E-734@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
References: <22746-4087200E-734@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040423065216.0286fec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 21:29 2004/04/21, you wrote:
>13,000 albums? thats inconcievable.how does one amass a collection lke
>that,and where on earth do you keep them all?thats up there with julio
>iglesias "knowing" 100,000 women.
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald

Gerald,

I suppose it's like asking "how do you fit four elephants in a VW Beetle?". 
Simple. "Two on the front seats, two on the back seat." ;-)

Cheers.

-Marc




From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri Apr 23 15:27:51 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:27:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040423065216.0286fec0@pop.iquebec.com>
References: <22746-4087200E-734@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
	<6.0.3.0.2.20040423065216.0286fec0@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <408919D7.1080906@rcn.com>

Marc Denis wrote:
> At 21:29 2004/04/21, you wrote:
> 
>> 13,000 albums? thats inconcievable.how does one amass a collection lke
>> that,and where on earth do you keep them all?thats up there with julio
>> iglesias "knowing" 100,000 women.
>>
>> thank you very much,
>> gerald
> 
> 
> Gerald,
> 
> I suppose it's like asking "how do you fit four elephants in a VW 
> Beetle?". Simple. "Two on the front seats, two on the back seat." ;-)
> 

Funny... The way it was told to me, the question was, how
does one fit four giraffes in a Beetle (Answer: two in the
front, two in the back). The *second* question was, how does
one fit four elephants in a Beetle (answer: one can't. It's
filled with giraffes).

More to the topic: I have about 750 LP, a couple of hundred
CDs and maybe 200 or so audio cassettes. Also, a smattering
of music related videos (ballet, opera, etc.). In all, just
over 1000 recordings. I am often at a loss, going through a
catalog and trying to decide what I'd like to get that I don't
already have... I have no idea what I'd get if confronted with
the task of buying 12,000 additional recordings. Anyone have
a suggestion?

-- Ron

-- Ron




From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Apr 23 16:57:43 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:57:43 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Head Refurbishment
Message-ID: <001401c42943$5562ea30$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Frank,

 

I'm not sure about the problem with your heads, but another option is refurbishing if you can't locate a source for new ones.  See the following link for Summertone.com that does head refurbishment.

 

http://www.summertone.com/frame.htm

 

Robert Kent

 

Does anyone have a 680 playback head - in good condition? Mine is bad. The left channel is only putting our 20% what the right does. It was check at a local authorized center (Pittsburgh) and the head is the problem. I have a MR-2 and a 580 deck as well as a Dennon 740 maybe a DR 760 can't remember.

Any help?
Thanks Frank
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Apr 23 17:27:36 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:27:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1, CR, RX, TA-4A, Receiver 1
Message-ID: <001d01c42947$81b9a2a0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Derrick,

I have 3 Cassette Deck 1s that I use exclusively for playback.  I find them to be very good, although not as good as the 3-head CR decks ( I have a 3 , 4, 5 & 7), assuming everthing is in good working order and correctly alligned.  The very nice feature of the Cassette Deck 1 is, of course, the manual Playback Azimuth adjustment.  In the CR decks, that is not available until you get to the CR-7.  The DR-1 also has this feature, and is essentially the same deck as the Cassette Deck 1, but with the more classic Nak styling even though it was produced after the Cassette Deck 1.  I also have an RX-505 that is returning from ESL after a complete re-build.....I will let you know about how it compares.  It had a tape path problem when I got it, so I never got to give it a proper evaluation.

The TA-4A is a very nice receiver unit.  I am using mine as an integrated amplifier only, and find it has a very clean sound at all volume levels.  It is full featured except that it only accomodates MM phono inputs.  New remotes for it are still available from B&W.  I have never heard a Receiver 1 in person, but I believe it was introduced more or less concurrently with the Cassette Deck 1 as part of their early Music Bank concept, and the styling was a radical departure from the classic Nak look.  The TA-4A is Nak all the way in appearance, and is a great match for a CR-7 or a Dragon.  Kannan helped me out with a modification to the treble control circuit on mine to boost the treble response a bit....maybe my high freq. hearing is not what it used to be.  My only criticism of the TA-4A is the interior build quality looks a little bit sloppy compared to the Nak cassette decks I have looked at. 

Robert Kent 

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Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 1
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How would you compare the Receiver 1 vs the TA-4A?

How about the Cassette Deck 1 compared to say the CR or RX series?

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Apr 23 17:36:22 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:36:22 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 10,000 Albums
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Alex, Gerald,

Lets see.....at about 1.5 inches for an average 10 albums, that is 1500 lineal inches, or 125 feet of shelf space for 10,000 albums, or 162.5 feet for 13,000 albums......not inceivable, but a lot more shelf space than I have.  Alex, you are one lucky guy!  Welcome to NakTalk.

Robert Kent


13,000 albums? thats inconcievable.how does one amass a collection lke
that,and where on earth do you keep them all?thats up there with julio
iglesias "knowing" 100,000 women. 

thank you very much,
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri Apr 23 19:12:50 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:12:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1, CR, RX, TA-4A, Receiver 1
Message-ID: <ae7647dae759c0.ae759c0ae7647d@vsnl.net>

I am fortunate to hear most of Robert' cassette decks including his 670ZX - fantastic sounding ( rally incredible sound from this Deck in playback!!!). 
Cassette Deck 1' manual azimuth adjust is a definite plus if you cannot afford CR7 or Dragon.
However TA 4A is a special receiver - it has Threshold' stasis topology for its main power amp( Nelson Pass Design - Even Nelson Pass comments that nakamichi executed the design well on all their Stasis topology amplifiers). And Receiver series with strange HTA ( hormonic Time alignment !!!!) is not a great amplifiers or recievers as mentioned by few of our nak specialists. Receiver series also notorious for failures . My suggestion is to look for SR or TA series recievers and they are very nice sounding as well as very good in driving most of the difficult speakers out there and you will not be disappointed ( including their Phono preamp section!) I have a TA 3A and is definitely a worthwhile acquisition for me.
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Hi Derrick,

I have 3 Cassette Deck 1s that I use exclusively for playback.  I find =
them to be very good, although not as good as the 3-head CR decks ( I =
have a 3 , 4, 5 & 7), assuming everthing is in good working order and =
correctly alligned.  The very nice feature of the Cassette Deck 1 is, of =
course, the manual Playback Azimuth adjustment.  In the CR decks, that =
is not available until you get to the CR-7.  The DR-1 also has this =
feature, and is essentially the same deck as the Cassette Deck 1, but =
with the more classic Nak styling even though it was produced after the =
Cassette Deck 1.  I also have an RX-505 that is returning from ESL after =
a complete re-build.....I will let you know about how it compares.  It =
had a tape path problem when I got it, so I never got to give it a =
proper evaluation.

The TA-4A is a very nice receiver unit.  I am using mine as an =
integrated amplifier only, and find it has a very clean sound at all =
volume levels.  It is full featured except that it only accomodates MM =
phono inputs.  New remotes for it are still available from B&W.  I have =
never heard a Receiver 1 in person, but I believe it was introduced more =
or less concurrently with the Cassette Deck 1 as part of their early =
Music Bank concept, and the styling was a radical departure from the =
classic Nak look.  The TA-4A is Nak all the way in appearance, and is a =
great match for a CR-7 or a Dragon.  Kannan helped me out with a =
modification to the treble control circuit on mine to boost the treble =
response a bit....maybe my high freq. hearing is not what it used to be. =
 My only criticism of the TA-4A is the interior build quality looks a =
little bit sloppy compared to the Nak cassette decks I have looked at.=20

Robert Kent=20

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:19:46 -0400
From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 1
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
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How would you compare the Receiver 1 vs the TA-4A?

How about the Cassette Deck 1 compared to say the CR or RX series?

Thanks.

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but with the more classic Nak styling even though it was produced after =
the=20
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after a=20
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tape path problem when I got it, so I never got to give it a proper=20
evaluation.</FONT></DIV>
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accomodates=20
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believe it=20
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part of=20
their early Music Bank concept, and the styling was a radical departure =
from the=20
classic Nak look.&nbsp; The TA-4A is Nak all the way in appearance, and =
is a=20
great match for a CR-7 or a Dragon.&nbsp; Kannan helped me out with a=20
modification to the treble control circuit on mine to boost the treble =
response=20
a bit....maybe my high freq. hearing is not what it used to be.&nbsp; My =
only=20
criticism of the TA-4A is the interior build quality looks a little bit =
sloppy=20
compared to the Nak cassette decks I have looked at.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Robert Kent</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri Apr 23 19:17:26 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:17:26 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Head Refurbishment
Message-ID: <ae774d9ae76459.ae76459ae774d9@vsnl.net>

Your 680 can use heads from any of the older Nak mechanism ( 3 head decks) like 582, 682,lX5 670, 660 even 482. The mounting is same. secondly our deck has to be examined for Playback amp as well as some other part of the circuitry - since the problem may not be with the heads alone. Also check with Melissa at nak Us parts - they may have a new head suitable for your 680 / you can also try at Bowers and wilkens of UK Nak spare parts division whether they a have new spares. 
kannan

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Hi Frank,

=20

I'm not sure about the problem with your heads, but another option is =
refurbishing if you can't locate a source for new ones.  See the =
following link for Summertone.com that does head refurbishment.

=20

http://www.summertone.com/frame.htm

=20

Robert Kent

=20

Does anyone have a 680 playback head - in good condition? Mine is bad. =
The left channel is only putting our 20% what the right does. It was =
check at a local authorized center (Pittsburgh) and the head is the =
problem. I have a MR-2 and a 580 deck as well as a Dennon 740 maybe a DR =
760 can't remember.

Any help?
Thanks Frank

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Frank,</FONT></P>
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not sure about=20
the problem with your heads, but another option is refurbishing if you =
can=92t=20
locate a source for new ones.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>See=20
the following link for Summertone.com that does head =
refurbishment.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
size=3D3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><A=20
href=3D"http://www.summertone.com/frame.htm"><FONT=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3>Robert =

Kent</FONT></P>
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size=3D3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3>Does =
anyone have a=20
680 playback head - in good condition? Mine is bad. The left channel is =
only=20
putting our 20% what the right does. It was check at a local authorized =
center=20
(<?xml:namespace prefix =3D st1 ns =3D =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"=20
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is the=20
problem. I have a MR-2 and a 580 deck as well as a Dennon 740 maybe a DR =
760=20
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Apr 23 19:55:49 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:55:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  MS IE6
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Message-ID: <000001c4295c$35e756a0$6fd2883e@oemcomputer>

Excuse the off topic but I have need for some help (off line)

I have found that when I click on a link within a eBay Search email, IE6
starts to open but doesn't hen quite manage it!  This problem has only
started recently.  I have tried re-installing IE6 but that hasn't cured the
problem.  An ideas anyone?

Gra'

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 23 11:06:51 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:06:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...
References: <22746-4087200E-734@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV63bAwSyEV40000187f@hotmail.com>

Shalom Gerald,

Yes it's amazing...I'm now 60 year old, and till I will finish hearing all
those 10,000 albums received from the widow of my very heart fully passed
away buddy...100% sure I will meet him "There"...! before I will listen all
such quantity.
Only two items I own by myself, a Philips CD850 Mk-2 player and from my
passed away Daddy, his lovely and in our family since 1958; the JBL "Paragon
Ranger 4400" speaker system.

Cheers...;

ALEX!
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> 13,000 albums? thats inconcievable.how does one amass a collection lke
> that,and where on earth do you keep them all?thats up there with julio
> iglesias "knowing" 100,000 women.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 23 14:06:27 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:06:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...
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	<6.0.3.0.2.20040423065216.0286fec0@pop.iquebec.com>
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Hi...!

It's very simple...disposing old/unused cloths..., mine and from all my 4
kids + wife! Filling in all the "free" space with such quantity of Lp 12
inch records...after many hours of strong war with all my
"Lovely"...family!!! Folks!!! NOT an a easy goal...be 100% sure!!!

Cheers...!

ALEX!
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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...


> At 21:29 2004/04/21, you wrote:
> >13,000 albums? thats inconcievable.how does one amass a collection lke
> >that,and where on earth do you keep them all?thats up there with julio
> >iglesias "knowing" 100,000 women.
> >
> >thank you very much,
> >gerald
>
> Gerald,
>
> I suppose it's like asking "how do you fit four elephants in a VW
Beetle?".
> Simple. "Two on the front seats, two on the back seat." ;-)
>
> Cheers.
>
> -Marc
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 23 16:48:56 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:48:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...
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Hi Ron,

Be 100% sure that "Acquiring"...such quantity..my wife will divorce...;
after so... kill me!
However; as was completely FREE....the pain was less "Unnoticed"...if you
know what I mean!?

Cheers...,

ALEX!
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From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Welcome to the list Alex ...


> Marc Denis wrote:
> > At 21:29 2004/04/21, you wrote:
> >
> >> 13,000 albums? thats inconcievable.how does one amass a collection lke
> >> that,and where on earth do you keep them all?thats up there with julio
> >> iglesias "knowing" 100,000 women.
> >>
> >> thank you very much,
> >> gerald
> >
> >
> > Gerald,
> >
> > I suppose it's like asking "how do you fit four elephants in a VW
> > Beetle?". Simple. "Two on the front seats, two on the back seat." ;-)
> >
>
> Funny... The way it was told to me, the question was, how
> does one fit four giraffes in a Beetle (Answer: two in the
> front, two in the back). The *second* question was, how does
> one fit four elephants in a Beetle (answer: one can't. It's
> filled with giraffes).
>
> More to the topic: I have about 750 LP, a couple of hundred
> CDs and maybe 200 or so audio cassettes. Also, a smattering
> of music related videos (ballet, opera, etc.). In all, just
> over 1000 recordings. I am often at a loss, going through a
> catalog and trying to decide what I'd like to get that I don't
> already have... I have no idea what I'd get if confronted with
> the task of buying 12,000 additional recordings. Anyone have
> a suggestion?
>
> -- Ron
>
> -- Ron
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 23 19:18:42 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:18:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 10,000 Albums
References: <002601c42948$bba567a0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV64vPdLFYxc00001c88@hotmail.com>

Shalom Bob!

You are 100% right...for such space that was needed... my wife...till yet NOT 100% happier!
However...That is...she will need to learn to be very patiently....!

Cheers, and thanks for your sincerely welcome of me, to the Nak. fans...!

ALEX! 
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  Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 5:36 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] 10,000 Albums


  Alex, Gerald,

  Lets see.....at about 1.5 inches for an average 10 albums, that is 1500 lineal inches, or 125 feet of shelf space for 10,000 albums, or 162.5 feet for 13,000 albums......not inceivable, but a lot more shelf space than I have.  Alex, you are one lucky guy!  Welcome to NakTalk.

  Robert Kent


  13,000 albums? thats inconcievable.how does one amass a collection lke
  that,and where on earth do you keep them all?thats up there with julio
  iglesias "knowing" 100,000 women. 

  thank you very much,
  gerald



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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Apr 23 16:15:37 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:15:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: 13,000 lp collection ...
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV989zbgpDI600000a1a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEECCCAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Alex -  what an interesting journey thru life, from Peru to Israel ...

Same as others on the list, I am impressed with this huge collection of
Lp's. Seems like 10,000 came from your friend. What kind of music do you
like listening to? Is there any specific genre of music that all these Lp's
represent.

Personally, I have around 1,200 CD's, and I am all over the board, from
Classic to Rap, from Pop to Jazz, from Rock to French Contemporary.

Cheers,

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Alex Cozac
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:07 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] big red bold letters


Shalom to all of you!

Shame on me...for make so many trouble! My promise that NEVER more I will
use such words!
Also...again and again...sincerely I never mean to offense/offend any body.
I just wrote, I'm newer computer user, also I was born in Peru, South
America, immigrated in 1963 to Israel, and can be that still with me the
"Peruvian Mentality"... and my bad reply was a product of that.
For so...my polite & deep apologies, if some of you feel uncomfortable with
my words. Be Nak buddies again and al, what happen is history...! OK...?

The boxed Dragon was received as a gift...from the widow of an a seriously
music lover together with 80% of his equipment, which now I'm enjoying...and
consist in a ARC SP-9 Series 2 control unit + a Dynaco St-70 also Series 2
by Panor + 10,000 Lp records (All that he owned!),
McIntosh MR-78 with original cabinet tuner, the Nak Dragon with 2 dozens of
TDK-SA-X 100 un-opened cassettes, shell made in US...seems me that the tape
came from Japan and finally his Dual CS-701 /Shure V-15 type 3 MR turntable.
Please I ask very heart fully NOT to hate me because the NAK Dragon don't
cost me nothing...! All will be with me till I will pass also to an a better
life... (I'm 60 year old!).

PS...Today for the first time I recorded from a turntable source...Really
Amazing!

Be in touch, and enjoy your Nak!

Cheers...

ALEX!

----- Original Message -----
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] big red bold letters


> Fred
> I also saw " stupid" in red bold letters on my browser and it is not the
question of red color or bold letter but such expressions on a newly joined
list is not a cultural issue. In any culture, you are to observe others
actions when you join new before using words denigrating the intelligence -
even as a joke. I also feel bit out of place in US as far as response is
concerned but I do not use words such as "stupid" unless i am very
comfortable with the group!
> I once again do not blame Alex but again he is using words like
"Nonsense - " and I think he should better avoid such words till we are
comfortable with him!!!
>
> Oh Yeah, We are equally jealous of him acquiring a mint Dragon!!!
>
> Alex- good luck with your Dragon - it is a great machine and ergonomics is
not what you expect in a Nak anyway!
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:32 am
> Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters
>
> > Hi all,
> > A quick note from a computer professional: it's entirely possible
> > that one
> > person's email client will format an email differently than it was
> > originallyintended by the sender (as appears to have been the case
> > with the recent
> > exchange between Alex, Salim, etc). There are so many interactions
> > between MIME
> > types, default settings and various servers that's it's hard to be
> > sure what you
> > send is what is received. That's why I stick to plain text and,
> > hopefully, clear
> > english. Of course, since this list is so international it also
> > pays to read
> > between the lines and give non-native speakers the benefit of the
> > doubt...shalom to all,
> > Fred
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Apr 23 16:22:25 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:22:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 1
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040423063000.02a72ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMEECCCAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

>From personal listenning experience with many of the NAK receivers, I find
TA-4A to be probably the best sounding Nak receiver ever made. The only
other that I am thinking about would be an older SR-3.

Both the TA series (excluding TA-1A) as well as SR series incorporated
STASIS technology licensed from Threshold. These receivers had a unique
capability to drive very inefficient speakers with a lot of juice and very
low distortion. Even, a 2x50W TA-2A was able to pump more current to my
Magenepans, than most of the Denon, Yamaha, JVC etc receivers rated 2x100
Watts or more.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Marc Denis
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 5:51 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Receiver 1


At 10:19 2004/04/22, you wrote:
>How would you compare the Receiver 1 vs the TA-4A?

Except for cosmetics, Receiver 1 is pretty much the same as the more recent
RE-1. It compares more or less to TA-3A in the TA series (i.e. just below
TA-4A).


>How about the Cassette Deck 1 compared to say the CR or RX series?

Except for cosmetics, CassetteDeck 1 is pretty much the same as the more
recent DR-1 and DR-10. It is similar to a CR-3 but with the added benefit
of manual playback azimuth adjustment, an unusual but quite usefull
feature, especially if you intend to play tapes recorded on other decks.
It's a 3-head dual-capstan design so it is somewhat mechanically similar to
the older RX-505 but, of course, it lacks the UDAR (Uni-Directional
Auto-Reverse) feature of the RX series.


>Thanks.

Cheers!

-Marc


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From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Fri Apr 23 10:10:11 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:10:11 +1000
Subject: [naktalk]Blank cassettes
Message-ID: <024e01c4290a$67c2fbe0$a06032d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>

Hi guys,

I posted a list of new quality cassettes I was able to buy in Sydney a few weeks ago. I am interested to know what other Nakker's are stocking up on.

I had a nice experience recently in my quest. At Len Wallis Audio (a large Sydney Hi-Fi store) I asked after some better tapes and was given(!) a couple of  TDK  SA-X 90's from the early 90's in a gold & white wrapper and a TDK MA-X 60 with Japanese wrapper from the late 80's.

It goes to show its worth asking! 
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Apr 23 16:39:21 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:39:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA60's, Sony SR Metals, Maxell XLII-S at samgoody.com
Message-ID: <40892A99.2020103@verizon.net>

Hi Fellow Nakkers:

Goto www.samgoody.com

Click on "Electronics"

click on "Start Shopping"

click on "Accessory Store" bottom row, 2nd from right

click on "Recordable Media" top row, 2nd from right

on the right is "Blank Audio Cassettes"

you'll know what to do from here

My eyes popped as they have the following tapes:

Sony Metal SR100's    $0.99    I haven't seen these for awhile. Look at 
the price !

Maxell XLII-S 60's      $1.19   not quite as good as cheapbatteries.com, 
but, a close 2nd

TDK SA90                  $0.99   I don't use these, but, the price 
looks good !

*TDK MA 60's              $0.99   My favorite tape and I can't believe 
the price ! And I had to use bold here !*

TDK MA-XG 90's        $9.99   Better than the $12.99 you'll pay on eBay. 
Not sure of stock, though because I tried to buy one and it came back as 
something to the effect of "may not be in stock" - I'm guessing this 
means they have to check.

There's an outfit on eBay that continually sells boxes of 10 TDK MA60's 
for $29.99 Buy-It-Now. I have to admit that its crossed my mind that 
they may be getting it here and reselling.

Anyway, I ordered 15 of the MA's this morning. And I thought I should 
share this find with all of you.

Mark
sharpei at verizon.net




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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Fri Apr 23 19:11:46 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:11:46 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20040423.101212.491.54015@webmail22.lax.untd.com>


I thought it was Wilt Chamberlain who said he knew 100,000 women.
Hard to believe there are two of them!
bob
P.S.
 Still looking for any infor on 700 tri-tracer..
copies of manual and/or service manual; anecdotes, tips etc.
 best to all


bob charlanza
610.775.9354 wknds
570.420.4334 weekdays 2-11 p.m.
epcn2001 at hotmail.com (work)
epcommunitynews.com (website)


From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Apr 23 19:32:55 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:32:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] other brands
In-Reply-To: <20040422.143931.28639.451898@webmail10.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEEECCAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Some that come to mind ...

Tandberg CD-3014A
Revox - 215
Teac Z-7000/6000/5000, 8030S
Luxman 5K50M, K-05
AIWA AD-F 990
Bang and Olufsen - Beocord 9000
Onkyo 2090
SONY TCK-7ES
Pioneer CT-95, CT-93, CT-A9X, CT-F1250
Technics RS-B100

Great side with pictures ==> http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/deck.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of bobobozo at netzero.com
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] other brands




I know we are all proud of the marvels of our Nakamichis. But I thought it
might be fun to list other decks we've come across that gave NAKs a run for
their money.
  Here are my three: Onkyo 2080, Aiwa 6900 and BICs with the 33/4 speeds.
Wonderful sounding decks.
   thanks

bob charlanza
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri Apr 23 17:35:26 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:35:26 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Idler Tire Replacement Help
Message-ID: <11b.30fa8225.2dba91be@aol.com>

I recently picked up a BX 2 which needs a new idler tire but I've found a 
slight problem. After taking off the hub I noticed there was no black washer on 
the shaft, is there supposed to be? If so, what can I do to replace the one 
that's missing? 

Thanks,
Anthony
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Apr 23 20:54:09 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:54:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Test Points for Nak LX-3
Message-ID: <40896651.8070701@verizon.net>

Hey,

Could someone lookup the test points for the LX-3 in their service 
manual ? I need the ones where you hook up the VTVM to read volts for 
meter level and playback level. I also need the ref voltage (I'm 
guessing its 90mV or 100mV).

Thanks a bunch,

Mark
sharpei at verizon.net


From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Fri Apr 23 23:14:40 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:14:40 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] new music
Message-ID: <22173981@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:19:41 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Lux Mic
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Apr 24 09:10:27 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:10:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver 1/Cassette Deck One
Message-ID: <s08a2f15.012@mroute.sunint.co.za>

I have a Cassette Deck One and apart from having to replace the capstan motor as soon as I got it (the Mitsubishi motors did not last), it is a truly excellent machine.  It features very fine (green) metering, and the ability to make the best of the toughest tape formulations.  Due to the lack of manual metering of the CR-4 (and the DD which is not especially missed, but is potentially a bonus) Marc is right - it's roughly on a par with the CR-3.  However, the manual azimuth correction takes into a different and superior league in terms of flexibility with other decks recordings.  I have also grown very fond of it's smooth designer looks and the scratch-resistent casing.  I would love to have one of the silver CD series.

Cheers,

Marc Hugoi

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 23 22:24:00 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:24:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: 13,000 lp collection ...
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEECCCAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV311k39iyP600001eab@hotmail.com>

Seriously..., I was lucky that my lovely suddenly passed away friend, 70%
was classic, 20% jazz, and sadly only 10% American country...by my part
mostly of my 3,000 records, are Latin's/south America music. Yes I was born
in Peru...and during 1963 immigrated to Israel...till I received mostly of
my "Newer" presently in use gear I own a Marantz 7c/8b combo...with a
Technics SL-120 table fitted with a Rega RB-300 and today's a Ortofon
Jubilee Mc cartridge. Only the Technics came with me during 1973 was a new
product...first fitted with the legendary SME series 2 3009 arm...however
always an a Ortofon cartridge, in the beginning such earlier SPU some MM
ones till I sell the SME with an Ortofon MC-20 Mc cartridge (Those blue
plastic housing), and decided in 1990 to acquire my presently Rega RB-300
arm...better suitable for those newer metal bodies Ortofons...before this
currently in use Jubilee I use the 7,500 one!
I like 90% listen analogue instead CD's.

Cheers...,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: 13,000 lp collection ...


> Alex -  what an interesting journey thru life, from Peru to Israel ...
>
> Same as others on the list, I am impressed with this huge collection of
> Lp's. Seems like 10,000 came from your friend. What kind of music do you
> like listening to? Is there any specific genre of music that all these
Lp's
> represent.
>
> Personally, I have around 1,200 CD's, and I am all over the board, from
> Classic to Rap, from Pop to Jazz, from Rock to French Contemporary.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alex Cozac
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:07 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] big red bold letters
>
>
> Shalom to all of you!
>
> Shame on me...for make so many trouble! My promise that NEVER more I will
> use such words!
> Also...again and again...sincerely I never mean to offense/offend any
body.
> I just wrote, I'm newer computer user, also I was born in Peru, South
> America, immigrated in 1963 to Israel, and can be that still with me the
> "Peruvian Mentality"... and my bad reply was a product of that.
> For so...my polite & deep apologies, if some of you feel uncomfortable
with
> my words. Be Nak buddies again and al, what happen is history...! OK...?
>
> The boxed Dragon was received as a gift...from the widow of an a seriously
> music lover together with 80% of his equipment, which now I'm
enjoying...and
> consist in a ARC SP-9 Series 2 control unit + a Dynaco St-70 also Series 2
> by Panor + 10,000 Lp records (All that he owned!),
> McIntosh MR-78 with original cabinet tuner, the Nak Dragon with 2 dozens
of
> TDK-SA-X 100 un-opened cassettes, shell made in US...seems me that the
tape
> came from Japan and finally his Dual CS-701 /Shure V-15 type 3 MR
turntable.
> Please I ask very heart fully NOT to hate me because the NAK Dragon don't
> cost me nothing...! All will be with me till I will pass also to an a
better
> life... (I'm 60 year old!).
>
> PS...Today for the first time I recorded from a turntable source...Really
> Amazing!
>
> Be in touch, and enjoy your Nak!
>
> Cheers...
>
> ALEX!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] big red bold letters
>
>
> > Fred
> > I also saw " stupid" in red bold letters on my browser and it is not the
> question of red color or bold letter but such expressions on a newly
joined
> list is not a cultural issue. In any culture, you are to observe others
> actions when you join new before using words denigrating the
intelligence -
> even as a joke. I also feel bit out of place in US as far as response is
> concerned but I do not use words such as "stupid" unless i am very
> comfortable with the group!
> > I once again do not blame Alex but again he is using words like
> "Nonsense - " and I think he should better avoid such words till we are
> comfortable with him!!!
> >
> > Oh Yeah, We are equally jealous of him acquiring a mint Dragon!!!
> >
> > Alex- good luck with your Dragon - it is a great machine and ergonomics
is
> not what you expect in a Nak anyway!
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:32 am
> > Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > A quick note from a computer professional: it's entirely possible
> > > that one
> > > person's email client will format an email differently than it was
> > > originallyintended by the sender (as appears to have been the case
> > > with the recent
> > > exchange between Alex, Salim, etc). There are so many interactions
> > > between MIME
> > > types, default settings and various servers that's it's hard to be
> > > sure what you
> > > send is what is received. That's why I stick to plain text and,
> > > hopefully, clear
> > > english. Of course, since this list is so international it also
> > > pays to read
> > > between the lines and give non-native speakers the benefit of the
> > > doubt...shalom to all,
> > > Fred
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 23 22:28:49 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:28:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA60's, Sony SR Metals,
	Maxell XLII-S at samgoody.com
References: <40892A99.2020103@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV37EnKS7vzx00001e76@hotmail.com>

Shalom Mark,

Please advice me "Why"...you refuse to use the TDK-SA type? To my knowledge..all the Nak's are 100% biased for this specific tape. If really sound superb (As in my case...!), why to use others, that maybe will not be 100% matched! Your expertise opinion will be welcome. Thanks...!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark & Michelle Barrett 
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  Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:39 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA60's, Sony SR Metals, Maxell XLII-S at samgoody.com


  Hi Fellow Nakkers:

  Goto www.samgoody.com

  Click on "Electronics"

  click on "Start Shopping"

  click on "Accessory Store" bottom row, 2nd from right

  click on "Recordable Media" top row, 2nd from right

  on the right is "Blank Audio Cassettes"

  you'll know what to do from here

  My eyes popped as they have the following tapes:

  Sony Metal SR100's    $0.99    I haven't seen these for awhile. Look at the price !

  Maxell XLII-S 60's      $1.19   not quite as good as cheapbatteries.com, but, a close 2nd

  TDK SA90                  $0.99   I don't use these, but, the price looks good !

  TDK MA 60's              $0.99   My favorite tape and I can't believe the price ! And I had to use bold here !

  TDK MA-XG 90's        $9.99   Better than the $12.99 you'll pay on eBay. Not sure of stock, though because I tried to buy one and it came back as something to the effect of "may not be in stock" - I'm guessing this means they have to check.

  There's an outfit on eBay that continually sells boxes of 10 TDK MA60's for $29.99 Buy-It-Now. I have to admit that its crossed my mind that they may be getting it here and reselling.

  Anyway, I ordered 15 of the MA's this morning. And I thought I should share this find with all of you.

  Mark
  sharpei at verizon.net







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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri Apr 23 21:32:40 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:32:40 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Idler Tire Replacement Help
Message-ID: <1d1.1f342ed9.2dbac958@aol.com>

I decided to put it back together and everything works beautifully! It didn't 
look like it had been taken apart before so maybe there was no washer in the 
first place. I cleaned, lubed and demagnetized and it is working just fine. I 
did notice the idler tire I replaced had little ridges on it and seemed to be 
in good shape. The replacement tire doesn't have ridges and appears to be the 
same size. 

Also, this unit could use some touch up on the case does anyone know what or 
where to get something to cover the scratches etc.? This makes 3 Naks in the 
stable now and I'm sure to buy more at these prices... ;<)

Thanks again,
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 24 01:38:32 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:38:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] new music
References: <22173981@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV9FopYC98Bi0000203e@hotmail.com>

Shalom Fred,

You in your way, are 100% completely right! However, I don't buy such 10,000
records, I received as a Gift...and emotional was needed to "Clean"...such
space in the house of my very close friend. The idea is very simple...as I'm
a free person an a Pensioner, each day I listen 10 hours continuously music,
the records was ordered by A > Z compositors second name. Really Fred I
don't know if till I will pass away I will hear all such quantity of
records...however I start!

Cheers...,

ALEX!
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Subject: [naktalk] new music


> --- You wrote:
> More to the topic: I have about 750 LP, a couple of hundred
> CDs and maybe 200 or so audio cassettes. Also, a smattering
> of music related videos (ballet, opera, etc.). In all, just
> over 1000 recordings. I am often at a loss, going through a
> catalog and trying to decide what I'd like to get that I don't
> already have... I have no idea what I'd get if confronted with
> the task of buying 12,000 additional recordings. Anyone have
> a suggestion?
>
> -- Ron
> --- end of quote ---
>
> Well, I always find someone new and interesting at Miles of Music.com.
Check out
> "Trailer Bride". Bet you don't have any really good band-saw players
yet...
>
> enjoy the new music
> Fred
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From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Sat Apr 24 00:45:02 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:45:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Lux Mic
In-Reply-To: <22176603@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
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You wrote:Also, could a measurement mic like the above Behringer be used to
record simple,
poorly played acoustic guitar and off-key vocals?

Never stopped Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen in their later years!

Doug Locke.




From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat Apr 24 03:30:55 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:30:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak LX-3 Record Logic Problem
Message-ID: <4089C34F.3@verizon.net>

HI Folks,

Just bought an LX-3 "everything works" off eBay and it arrived today. 
After a major cleaning and a partial alignment; the deck plays just 
fine. However, it will not record. Pushing rec + play puts the deck in 
some unknown mode - the head assy lifts, but, there's no movement from 
the reels - the tape will not advance. As I said, it plays, ff's, rw's 
fine. I removed the front cover and cassette well faceplates and noticed 
the control cam gear does not exactly line up in "S" and "PY" when in 
those modes - its close though. In rec + play, the cam gear almost lines 
up in the "CU" position. Using an LX-5 service manual, I performed the 
cam offset adjustment with VR's 602 & 603. It now lines up in "S" and 
"PY" on the mark. "PS" and "FF" are close. Rec + Play still gives "CU" 
(not "R" as I think it should).
Does anyone have an idea of what may be wrong ?
I guess the only suspicion I have is maybe I have a defective component 
on the Control Switch PCB assy associated with the rec button (??) 
although the red light next to the rec button lites up. The only thing 
I'm for sure of is that the cam gear is displaying "CU" when rec+play is 
pushed and it should be displaying "R" which leads me to believe it is 
not getting into Rec mode.
I could use any of your suggestions.
Thanks,

Mark


From srudick at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 24 04:59:03 2004
From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:59:03 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Head Refurbishment
Message-ID: <BAY16-F8n9pmzpEI0Z20002946b@hotmail.com>

Left channel is putting out 20% of what the right channel is putting out?
I would say that there is a 20% chance it�s the head, and an 80% chance the 
service center is clueless.

Steve Rudick
Audiotech
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Your 680 can use heads from any of the older Nak mechanism ( 3 head decks) 
like 582, 682,lX5 670, 660 even 482. The mounting is same. secondly our deck 
has to be examined for Playback amp as well as some other part of the 
circuitry - since the problem may not be with the heads alone. Also check 
with Melissa at nak Us parts - they may have a new head suitable for your 
680 / you can also try at Bowers and wilkens of UK Nak spare parts division 
whether they a have new spares.
kannan

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Apr 24 11:46:25 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:46:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA60's, Sony SR Metals,Maxell XLII-S (TDK
	SA)
Message-ID: <s08a53a1.094@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Alex, Shalom and a wonderful weekend to you in the Holy Land,

I'm a different Mark....but on your question re TDK SA, you are right, the Nakamichis internal trim pots are indeed usually default set to match up TKD SA with Nakamichi's own (erstwhile) SX.

However, I have often personally found SA to be a bit of a handful in practice.  While every audio magazine like them a lot (What Hi-Fi Magazine regulalry gave them 5 star ratings), the reality is that they have a limited headroom - i.e. show distortion of high frequencies at higher recording levels.  If you are recording without Dolby, this can be a nuisance.  I have since learned how to handle them more sympathetically.  Since they are very quiet tapes, and have demonstrated this "delicateness", I increase bias (turn anti-clockwise) and drop recording levels to peak at no higher than 0dB.  In a way, it behaves similalry to the natural chromes from BASF in the eighties.

As a consequence, I have gravitated to other type IIs and in particular, the market equivalent from Maxell, the XLII.  I would go so far as to say, that Maxell's UDII behaves almost identically to SA.

Beware of erratic quality in binders on this tape type from the Luxembourg plant, which results in drop-outs.

Good luck!!

Marc 



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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Apr 24 14:05:44 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:05:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] other brands: Bob, Stan
Message-ID: <s08a744c.066@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Bob

Top decks from other companies......

I would concur with all those mentioned by Stan .... and offer a few more....

Aiwa AD-F009 and AD-S9000/7000 (the F-660 and 770 were no sluggards!!)
Akai GX-6 and GX-8; GX-7, GX-95 and 95II
TEAC V-8000S & V-6030S (gives away only DD to V8030S)
Technics RS-B808/828/905/945/965 (Seldom sold 2nd-hand); the RS-AZ7 deserves credit for the head
Alpage/Alpine AL-85 and 90 (but pretty well any...very rare)
Harmon-Kardon TD 491, TD 4800S
Onkyo (agree on the 2090) ..the 2058 neat too as is the later 2800
Pioneer CT-91a (the dual cap Dolby S decks are worthwhile but lightly built)
Tandberg B 710
JVC- TD1010TN and 1050TN
Yamaha KX-930, KX-1200
NAD 6300 Monitor
Denon DRM-800a


I'm sure I left some out........!!

Cheers,

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Apr 24 19:56:23 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:56:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Lux Mic
In-Reply-To: <MDBBIBMCAKPBEBACKACCIEIECEAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
Message-ID: <000901c42a25$748bebe0$f2ca4c51@oemcomputer>

Oh, so true, Doug!    I just wish Dylan hadn't mic'd up his harmonica at
all!   :o)

(Just to clear about this, I LOVE harmonica playing ... when they are played
well!  If anyone has any really decent live or off-record/CD recordings of
wild country or blues playing that they'd lay down on a Nak' I may be
interested to swap tapes ...)

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Doug Locke
> Sent: 23 April 2004 23:45
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Lux Mic
>
>
> You wrote:Also, could a measurement mic like the above Behringer
> be used to
> record simple,
> poorly played acoustic guitar and off-key vocals?
>
> Never stopped Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen in their later years!
>
> Doug Locke.



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Apr 24 20:01:08 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:01:08 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA60's, Sony SR Metals,Maxell XLII-S (TDKSA)
In-Reply-To: <s08a53a1.094@mroute.sunint.co.za>
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I would also add that the modern TDK SA's (at least, those made in Europe)
have very poorly made cases.

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: 24 April 2004 10:46
> To: alexcozac at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK MA60's, Sony SR Metals,Maxell XLII-S (TDKSA)
>
>
> Hi Alex, Shalom and a wonderful weekend to you in the Holy Land,
>
> I'm a different Mark....but on your question re TDK SA, you are
> right, the Nakamichis internal trim pots are indeed usually
> default set to match up TKD SA with Nakamichi's own (erstwhile) SX.
>
> However, I have often personally found SA to be a bit of a
> handful in practice.  While every audio magazine like them a lot
> (What Hi-Fi Magazine regulalry gave them 5 star ratings), the
> reality is that they have a limited headroom - i.e. show
> distortion of high frequencies at higher recording levels.  If
> you are recording without Dolby, this can be a nuisance.  I have
> since learned how to handle them more sympathetically.  Since
> they are very quiet tapes, and have demonstrated this
> "delicateness", I increase bias (turn anti-clockwise) and drop
> recording levels to peak at no higher than 0dB.  In a way, it
> behaves similalry to the natural chromes from BASF in the eighties.
>
> As a consequence, I have gravitated to other type IIs and in
> particular, the market equivalent from Maxell, the XLII.  I would
> go so far as to say, that Maxell's UDII behaves almost identically to SA.
>
> Beware of erratic quality in binders on this tape type from the
> Luxembourg plant, which results in drop-outs.
>
> Good luck!!
>
> Marc
>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Apr 24 20:09:47 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:09:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk]Blank cassettes: stockpiling what....
Message-ID: <s08ac9a1.074@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Rob

Well, you did very well at that store (Len Wallis) in Sydney!!  Any shop that palms off a a couple of beauts like that is worth punting.

The types I'm getting decent amounts of here (RSA) when I get the chance are SKC ZX Metal Tech, BASF Reference Maxima TPII, BASF Chrome Maxima CMII, BASF Chrome Record II and if I can lay my hands on them, JVC AF-II.  The other types worth getting here (although I'm not falling over specially for them, as there seems to be an ongoing availibility, are TDK SA, SKC CD Super Chrome, Sony UX and then normal ranges of type Is. Maxell UDI seems hard to find now, TDK only pops up occasionally, MA I haven't seen for a while.  AD can still be had.......(not at your wonderful prices though!!).

I was across in Madagascar last month and snapped up some Sony Super Metal Master 60s, Maxell XLII-S 90s(the 2-packs), Maxell XLII 60and 90s, Sony Metal XR 90s, and some BASF Ferro Maximas.  There were Fuji tapes of good quality, including the very fine Metal Z-90, but the prices were uniformly high and only available at all the Fuji photolabs dotted around.  37 000 Malagasy Francs to be precise, which converts to about US $5.44 per piece.  I nearly forgot - I also managed to find three Maxell XLI-S 60s.  Those were the equivalent of US $3.23.  Steep, but of course utterly unavailable anywhere else, and a thrilling performer.

By the way, I just tried out one of those Sony Super Metal Masters today.....more on that on a seperate post.

Cheers,

Marc



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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 24 11:56:32 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:56:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Head Refurbishment
References: <BAY16-F8n9pmzpEI0Z20002946b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV500LxA56iY00002388@hotmail.com>

Maybe...using my common sense.., lift the left gain control (If it's same as
my Dragon...?), till you can hear equally both channels! Also clean very
deep and conscientious all the heads and other items + using a good
Demagnetizer...leave off all "Magnetized"...around..1 Maybe can help, Or the
head is seriously not aligned! That is what came to my head...I can be very
wrong also!!!

All the best,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
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> Left channel is putting out 20% of what the right channel is putting out?
> I would say that there is a 20% chance it’s the head, and an 80% chance
the
> service center is clueless.
>
> Steve Rudick
> Audiotech
> Authorized Nakamichi Service Center
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>
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> Your 680 can use heads from any of the older Nak mechanism ( 3 head decks)
> like 582, 682,lX5 670, 660 even 482. The mounting is same. secondly our
deck
> has to be examined for Playback amp as well as some other part of the
> circuitry - since the problem may not be with the heads alone. Also check
> with Melissa at nak Us parts - they may have a new head suitable for your
> 680 / you can also try at Bowers and wilkens of UK Nak spare parts
division
> whether they a have new spares.
> kannan
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> Hi Frank,
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> I'm not sure about the problem with your heads, but another option is =
> refurbishing if you can't locate a source for new ones.  See the =
> following link for Summertone.com that does head refurbishment.
>
> =20
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> =20
>
> Robert Kent
>
> =20
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> Does anyone have a 680 playback head - in good condition? Mine is bad. =
> The left channel is only putting our 20% what the right does. It was =
> check at a local authorized center (Pittsburgh) and the head is the =
> problem. I have a MR-2 and a 580 deck as well as a Dennon 740 maybe a DR =
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Apr 25 02:17:14 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:17:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk]Blank cassettes: stockpiling what....
Message-ID: <27068-408B038A-1194@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

marc,you are a true connisieur of high quality tape-and i wanted to let
you know just how much i enjoy learning and reading from your fantastic
and informative posts.I scavenenge the local thrift stores for used mint
quality tapes,and if i dont get them there,i dont get them.I am Sooo
happy today to get thirty mint quality MAXALL XL2 90,s for less than 10
dollars.they were recorded once and such excellent recordings!.!
hesitate to re-record over this great music,although i am not a huge fan
of this kind of music.thought i would catalog my library- 200 hours of
superbly recorded 7 and 1/4 inch reel to reel ROCK.,85 Mint sealed
classical and Jazz L.P,s,90 excellent condition L.P.,s,200 excllent
condition pre-recorded cassettes.by the way,i finally convinced my rich
doctor brother to get a dragon,and i told hin to Sanctify it after he
gets it.anyone have a line on a solid used DRAGON?

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Apr 25 03:05:44 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:05:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] noise cancelling headphones
Message-ID: <27068-408B0EE8-1258@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

hi,recent esteemed and most valued member posted an inquiry into the
modern phenonomena -NOISE CANCELLING  headphones.Well,if you want to try
them cheap try RADIO  SHACK . COM-i recomend typing in AIWA NOISE
CANCELING HEADPHONES into the search,they are on sale for 39.99 dollars
and seem to be excellent entry level headphones.i was tempted to get a
set at 39.99 at my local radio shack-they only had one left,except i
need new brakepads and  a refurbished car amp(linear powre)-150.00

thank you very much,
gerald



From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 05:21:19 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:21:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: 13,000 lp collection ...
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV311k39iyP600001eab@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040425032119.97339.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, 
 
          I just think its amazing you got the Dragon, and the Dragon of tuners the Mac MR78. What ever you do, dont loose these two..
 
Bala

Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com> wrote:
Seriously..., I was lucky that my lovely suddenly passed away friend, 70%
was classic, 20% jazz, and sadly only 10% American country...by my part
mostly of my 3,000 records, are Latin's/south America music. Yes I was born
in Peru...and during 1963 immigrated to Israel...till I received mostly of
my "Newer" presently in use gear I own a Marantz 7c/8b combo...with a
Technics SL-120 table fitted with a Rega RB-300 and today's a Ortofon
Jubilee Mc cartridge. Only the Technics came with me during 1973 was a new
product...first fitted with the legendary SME series 2 3009 arm...however
always an a Ortofon cartridge, in the beginning such earlier SPU some MM
ones till I sell the SME with an Ortofon MC-20 Mc cartridge (Those blue
plastic housing), and decided in 1990 to acquire my presently Rega RB-300
arm...better suitable for those newer metal bodies Ortofons...before this
currently in use Jubilee I use the 7,500 one!
I like 90% listen analogue instead CD's.

Cheers...,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Targowski" 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: 13,000 lp collection ...


> Alex - what an interesting journey thru life, from Peru to Israel ...
>
> Same as others on the list, I am impressed with this huge collection of
> Lp's. Seems like 10,000 came from your friend. What kind of music do you
> like listening to? Is there any specific genre of music that all these
Lp's
> represent.
>
> Personally, I have around 1,200 CD's, and I am all over the board, from
> Classic to Rap, from Pop to Jazz, from Rock to French Contemporary.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alex Cozac
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:07 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] big red bold letters
>
>
> Shalom to all of you!
>
> Shame on me...for make so many trouble! My promise that NEVER more I will
> use such words!
> Also...again and again...sincerely I never mean to offense/offend any
body.
> I just wrote, I'm newer computer user, also I was born in Peru, South
> America, immigrated in 1963 to Israel, and can be that still with me the
> "Peruvian Mentality"... and my bad reply was a product of that.
> For so...my polite & deep apologies, if some of you feel uncomfortable
with
> my words. Be Nak buddies again and al, what happen is history...! OK...?
>
> The boxed Dragon was received as a gift...from the widow of an a seriously
> music lover together with 80% of his equipment, which now I'm
enjoying...and
> consist in a ARC SP-9 Series 2 control unit + a Dynaco St-70 also Series 2
> by Panor + 10,000 Lp records (All that he owned!),
> McIntosh MR-78 with original cabinet tuner, the Nak Dragon with 2 dozens
of
> TDK-SA-X 100 un-opened cassettes, shell made in US...seems me that the
tape
> came from Japan and finally his Dual CS-701 /Shure V-15 type 3 MR
turntable.
> Please I ask very heart fully NOT to hate me because the NAK Dragon don't
> cost me nothing...! All will be with me till I will pass also to an a
better
> life... (I'm 60 year old!).
>
> PS...Today for the first time I recorded from a turntable source...Really
> Amazing!
>
> Be in touch, and enjoy your Nak!
>
> Cheers...
>
> ALEX!
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:38 PM
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> > Fred
> > I also saw " stupid" in red bold letters on my browser and it is not the
> question of red color or bold letter but such expressions on a newly
joined
> list is not a cultural issue. In any culture, you are to observe others
> actions when you join new before using words denigrating the
intelligence -
> even as a joke. I also feel bit out of place in US as far as response is
> concerned but I do not use words such as "stupid" unless i am very
> comfortable with the group!
> > I once again do not blame Alex but again he is using words like
> "Nonsense - " and I think he should better avoid such words till we are
> comfortable with him!!!
> >
> > Oh Yeah, We are equally jealous of him acquiring a mint Dragon!!!
> >
> > Alex- good luck with your Dragon - it is a great machine and ergonomics
is
> not what you expect in a Nak anyway!
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:32 am
> > Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > A quick note from a computer professional: it's entirely possible
> > > that one
> > > person's email client will format an email differently than it was
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> > > with the recent
> > > exchange between Alex, Salim, etc). There are so many interactions
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 25 12:59:02 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:59:02 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: 13,000 lp collection ...
References: <20040425032119.97339.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10tHA1nYmo00002c02@hotmail.com>

Hi...Bala!

Don't worry, will be with me till...!

Regards,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bala Ganesh Chandra 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 5:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: 13,000 lp collection ...


  Well, 

            I just think its amazing you got the Dragon, and the Dragon of tuners the Mac MR78. What ever you do, dont loose these two..

  Bala

  Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com> wrote:
    Seriously..., I was lucky that my lovely suddenly passed away friend, 70%
    was classic, 20% jazz, and sadly only 10% American country...by my part
    mostly of my 3,000 records, are Latin's/south America music. Yes I was born
    in Peru...and during 1963 immigrated to Israel...till I received mostly of
    my "Newer" presently in use gear I own a Marantz 7c/8b combo...with a
    Technics SL-120 table fitted with a Rega RB-300 and today's a Ortofon
    Jubilee Mc cartridge. Only the Technics came with me during 1973 was a new
    product...first fitted with the legendary SME series 2 3009 arm...however
    always an a Ortofon cartridge, in the beginning such earlier SPU some MM
    ones till I sell the SME with an Ortofon MC-20 Mc cartridge (Those blue
    plastic housing), and decided in 1990 to acquire my presently Rega RB-300
    arm...better suitable for those newer metal bodies Ortofons...before this
    currently in use Jubilee I use the 7,500 one!
    I like 90% listen analogue instead CD's.

    Cheers...,

    ALEX!
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Stan Targowski" 
    To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
    Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:15 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] RE: 13,000 lp collection ...


    > Alex - what an interesting journey thru life, from Peru to Israel ..
    >
    > Same as others on the list, I am impressed with this huge collection of
    > Lp's. Seems like 10,000 came from your friend. What kind of music do you
    > like listening to? Is there any specific genre of music that all these
    Lp's
    > represent.
    >
    > Personally, I have around 1,200 CD's, and I am all over the board, from
    > Classic to Rap, from Pop to Jazz, from Rock to French Contemporary.
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Stan
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
    > Behalf Of Alex Cozac
    > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:07 PM
    > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    > Subject: Re: [naktalk] big red bold letters
    >
    >
    > Shalom to all of you!
    >
    > Shame on me...for make so many trouble! My promise that NEVER more I will
    > use such words!
    > Also...again and again...sincerely I never mean to offense/offend any
    body.
    > I just wrote, I'm newer computer user, also I was born in Peru, South
    > America, immigrated in 1963 to Israel, and can be that still with me the
    > "Peruvian Mentality"... and my bad reply was a product of that.
    > For so...my polite & deep apologies, if some of you feel uncomfortable
    with
    > my words. Be Nak buddies again and al, what happen is history...! OK...?
    >
    > The boxed Dragon was received as a gift...from the widow ! of an a seriously
    > music lover together with 80% of his equipment, which now I'm
    enjoying...and
    > consist in a ARC SP-9 Series 2 control unit + a Dynaco St-70 also Series 2
    > by Panor + 10,000 Lp records (All that he owned!),
    > McIntosh MR-78 with original cabinet tuner, the Nak Dragon with 2 dozens
    of
    > TDK-SA-X 100 un-opened cassettes, shell made in US...seems me that the
    tape
    > came from Japan and finally his Dual CS-701 /Shure V-15 type 3 MR
    turntable.
    > Please I ask very heart fully NOT to hate me because the NAK Dragon don't
    > cost me nothing...! All will be with me till I will pass also to an a
    better
    > life... (I'm 60 year old!).
    >
    > PS...Today for the first time I recorded from a turntable source...Really
    > Amazing!
    >
    > Be in touch, and enjoy your Nak!
    >
    > Cheers...
    >
    > ALEX!
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: 
    > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
    > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:38 PM
    > Subject: Re: [naktalk] big red bold letters
    >
    >
    > > Fred
    > > I also saw " stupid" in red bold letters on my browser and it is not the
    > question of red color or bold letter but such expressions on a newly
    joined
    > list is not a cultural issue. In any culture, you are to observe others
    > actions when you join new before using words denigrating the
    intelligence -
    > even as a joke. I also feel bit out of place in US as far as response is
    > concerned but I do not use words such as "stupid" unless i am very
    > comfortable with the group!
    > > I once again do not blame Alex but again he is using words like
    > "Nonsense - " and I think he should better avoid such words till we are
    > comfortable with him!!!
    > >
    > > Oh Yeah, We are eq! ually jealous of him acquiring a mint Dragon!!!
    > >
    > > Alex- good luck with your Dragon - it is a great machine and ergonomics
    is
    > not what you expect in a Nak anyway!
    > > kannan
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
    > > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:32 am
    > > Subject: [naktalk] big red bold letters
    > >
    > > > Hi all,
    > > > A quick note from a computer professional: it's entirely possible
    > > > that one
    > > > person's email client will format an email differently than it was
    > > > originallyintended by the sender (as appears to have been the case
    > > > with the recent
    > > > exchange between Alex, Salim, etc). There are so many interactions
    > > > between MIME
    > > > types, default settings and various servers that's it's hard to be
    > > > sure what you
    > > > send is what is received. That's why I stick to plain text and,
    > > > hopefully, clear
    > > > english. Of course, since this list is so international it also
    > > > pays to read
    > > > between the lines and give non-native speakers the benefit of the
    > > > doubt...shalom to all,
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 14:17:27 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 05:17:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA60's, Sony SR Metals,Maxell XLII-S (TDKSA)
In-Reply-To: <000a01c42a26$1e9f59a0$f2ca4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20040425121727.7964.qmail@web90009.mail.scd.yahoo.com>

 Hi Guys,

I have started using Fuji Z11 recently. It is a
wonderful tape. Beats TDK SA/SAX, Maxell XL11 hands
down. In terms of head room, it is on par with TDK MA.
It is the best type 2 tape available. I have tried it
on my Sony Walkman Pro (recorded on Nak Cr5) and the
replay is excellent. Audio magazine back in June 93
tested 51 different tapes, and Z11 beats all type 2
tapes and ties with TDK MA with 85%. The only better
tapes were all type 4 tapes.

Happy recording,
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Apr 26 13:47:50 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:47:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA60's, Sony SR Metals,Maxell
	XLII-S...FUJI!!
Message-ID: <s08d1312.073@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Dariush,

I'm glad you're enjoying the Fuji tapes.  They have great characteristics and a particulalry zesty, fresh, upbeat tonal signature!!  Even the DR I is an utterly lively example of a ferric.

Look out for KII from Fuji which, as far as I remember, predates the Z series - better max mid/bass levels.  But none of them are slouches.  They even have exciting wrappers!!

Cheers,

Marc

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Apr 25 18:05:48 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:05:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] noise canceling headphones
Message-ID: <14651-408BE1DC-1067@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

the model of the 49.99 AIWA is HPCN-5,and l also i found a SONY MDR
CN-5.Might be able to get them at 1 800 "the shack".Also available on
line is the 50th ANNV> LMTD. EDIT. Koss PRO 4AA reissue.remember these?

thank you very much,
gerald



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Apr 26 18:07:56 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:07:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk]Blank cassettes: stockpiling what....
Message-ID: <s08d5014.011@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Jerry,

Many thanks for your very kind words - yes I have made learning about (and scavenging about for !!) tapes a bit of a hobby.  Partly, it's from the fear that one day, they will be all but unavailable!! But as I have progresses, I have discovered that what makes magnetic recording so much fun is that each tape has a character of it's own.  Combine this with the various different types of music, noise reduction, etc and you have endless permutations to tantalise the ear.  

Now, you have a formidable collection yourself - those vigin LPs !! What a possession!!  The reel-reel tapes too.  As for those XLIIs, they will serve you well - they are hardy, yet very fine performers.  Yes, it is a pity to record over someones cherished compilations but if they are not likely to be listened to much by you, then you could justify recording over them, one at a time!!  (Starting with the one you like the least!!).

Cheers,

Marc



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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Apr 26 03:42:17 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:42:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <13076-408C68F9-2871@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

oh me..were getting a Dragon WHEEEEEE! is it okay to get one of these
exotic machines.are they reliable enough for an average consumer to
depend on years upon years of trouble free service?my brother wants one
and were going to get it sanctified,however,i am concerned that  this
machine may be too sophisticated and tempermental,and that we may be
better off with a diffirent Nak.however,if if the coast is clear,then
all systems are GO and we are wanting a Nakamchi Dragon if someone here
has a mint one for sale.

thank you very much,
gerald



From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Apr 27 12:13:43 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:13:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL
Message-ID: <20040427101343.GB2210@perolinux.peromarta.org>


Dear all,

I own a 1000ZXL for about a year now, I got off ebay. It needs some
repair, as even though mechanics seem to work fine, has some electronic
faults. Noise cracks and pops after 40 min or so, VU meters stop working,
very bad distorsion when recording, machine unable to align and
calibrate, etc. Unit is cosmetically mint.

I can't find anybody to service the unit in Spain or Europe, and I am
thinking in sending the unit to ESLABS, I am sure you all know. They
estimate 1500$ for the repair to begin with.

So, before I spend that ammount of cash, (plus s&h from Spain, thats
another 500$ or so! ), any feedback regarding them will be very much
appreciated. Can they fix these machines? Are they really that good?

Any input - even for alternatives, wil be very much appreciated. I have
the service manual, but I am overwhelmed with the complexity of the
machine. Maybe somebody out there can trough some light ...

Thanks and

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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Mon Apr 26 20:23:13 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:23:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] TDK Tapes
Message-ID: <000801c42bbb$89ce64a0$961d0cd0@r7g1f8>

Hello Nak Fans-

A while back someone posted at hit for SamGoody for TDK tapes.

The TDK MAX G90 intrigues me.  I've never heard of it.  Sam Goody is out of stock.  They sell for $9.99 each.  Anybody familiar with them or know where to get them?

Randall in Seattle
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From rolandpibb at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 27 04:47:58 2004
From: rolandpibb at yahoo.com (Roland Pibb)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] XL-II Warbled on side A only?
Message-ID: <20040427024758.66557.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a NAK BX-2 and made some nice recordings with a
2 pack of XL-II I bought.  They sounded good enough,
that when I saw a 5 pack of XL-II for cheap, I snapped
it up.

However, I have noticed that on each of the 5 tapes,
(after recording)  Quite a large portion of each 'A'
side is warbled, but not on side 'B'.

I can't imagine that my deck would decide to record
one side better than another.  Am I correct in
assuming that it's the cassette?  

Cheers,


Rollie


	
		
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Sun Apr 25 16:19:38 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:19:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: TDK SA Cassettes
Message-ID: <408BC8FA.3080100@verizon.net>

Hi Everyone,

Alex, I used the TDK SA quite extensively in the early-mid 1980's. I had 
Aiwa decks and found it to be an excellent sounding tape. No other high 
bias tape performed as well in those two Aiwas as the SA. However, I'm 
pretty sure they were factory biased for the SA. In the last few years, 
I've had headroom problems with the TDK SA in my Naks - most notably 
with my ZX-7. I also have headroom problems, to a lesser extent, with 
the SA-X (which I've used more frequently). I believe there may be a 
couple of reasons:

1. When calibrating with a 15kHz test tone, I notice the TDK SA and SA-X 
need a higher bias current than the Maxell XLII and XLII-S tapes to 
achieve the 0dB (indicated; actually -20dB) level. This leads me to 
believe that more bias current required with the TDK tapes leads to 
inherently less headroom. This is all just a theory.
2. The ZX-7 meters are not as accurate as my other Naks. And I align per 
the service manuals, adjusting test tone levels, meter test tone 
display, and meter input levels. My experience here suggests the 
metering is slower responding and not as accurate as my CR-7A or 682ZX; 
meaning my peaks recorded on the ZX-7 display just a little higher on 
the CR-7A, though this varies with the music content. Setting the rec 
level down on the ZX-7 also seems to help.

Stephen Sank told me a little bit different way to optimize the bias on 
the ZX-7 when calibrating the deck prior to recording. It essentially 
involves adjusting the bias pots - with the 400Hz test tone - to 
maximize the 400Hz meter level. Once you find that point, you then 
adjust the level pots to 0dB; and then - with 15kHz tone - adjust the 
bias pots for the indicated 0dB. This different way of optimizing bias 
does seem to help with the TDK tapes.
I've also heard - but not experienced for myself - dropouts with the TDK 
SA. I've only used 1 or 2 in the last few years, so, I really don't 
know. I've also heard this affects the entire TDK line, though I haven't 
seen it on any of my MA's, and I have a bunch of well-used ones.

Finally, to blow #1 and #2 above out of the water; I've had excellent 
results with the TDK SM. This is the studio verision of the SA and I've 
found it to be an outstanding tape ! I haven't seen the headroom 
problems with it, while the clarity and detail rival the Maxell XLII-S 
with the quiteness that Mark (Hugo) mentioned in his post. I'm guessing 
the binder is probably different than the SA, but, don't know if that 
fully explains why its so much better than the SA.

Mark



From sharpei at verizon.net  Sun Apr 25 16:34:54 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:34:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape
Message-ID: <408BCC8E.6070607@verizon.net>

Hi Folks,

What's everyone's experience with the Sony Metal SR tapes ? Is the C100 
length too thin ?

Mark


From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue Apr 27 13:21:08 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:21:08 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL
References: <20040427101343.GB2210@perolinux.peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <005e01c42c49$d8a56810$1010a8c0@tg>

With some little chance, you can try B&W in UK (Europe) who must cost
cheaper.

http://www.classic-nakamichi.com

Good luck...
Tayfur
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From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL


>
> Dear all,
>
> I own a 1000ZXL for about a year now, I got off ebay. It needs some
> repair, as even though mechanics seem to work fine, has some electronic
> faults. Noise cracks and pops after 40 min or so, VU meters stop working,
> very bad distorsion when recording, machine unable to align and
> calibrate, etc. Unit is cosmetically mint.
>
> I can't find anybody to service the unit in Spain or Europe, and I am
> thinking in sending the unit to ESLABS, I am sure you all know. They
> estimate 1500$ for the repair to begin with.
>
> So, before I spend that ammount of cash, (plus s&h from Spain, thats
> another 500$ or so! ), any feedback regarding them will be very much
> appreciated. Can they fix these machines? Are they really that good?
>
> Any input - even for alternatives, wil be very much appreciated. I have
> the service manual, but I am overwhelmed with the complexity of the
> machine. Maybe somebody out there can trough some light ...
>
> Thanks and
>
> --
> Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> powered by myISP       skype:lperoma      (we didn't have the contract)
> http://peromarta.org                     http://peebles-engineering.com
>
>
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> que nos deben siempre llegan con tres semanas de retraso.
>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Apr 27 13:22:51 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:22:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] XL-II Warbled on side A only?
Message-ID: <s08e5ec1.091@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Rollie,

I have only ever encountered something like this with TDK CDing II/74s.  It also only happened with one tape.

I would (if you haven't already) record something on another (totally different) tape and see if the problem presents itself or not.

Then repeat the same exercise with the offending tapes on another deck.

Then you'll know that there is a definite anomaly with either the deck or the tapes.

Best of luck,

Marc

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Apr 27 13:29:07 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:29:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK Tapes
Message-ID: <s08e6037.001@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Howzit Randall,

If Sam Goody is out of stock, then I don't know of another sources in the US. However, for very interesting tapes from yesteryear (all new, of course) try:

http://www.adelcom.net/pro-tape.htm        BLUZ BROS. OLDER TAPES � FUJI, DENON ETC 


These guys, the last trime I looked had a the whole range of Taiyo Yudens cassettes including their metals (That's Metal Suono is the equivalent of the MA-XG and about the same price), as well as some of the ES range from Sony, including UC-X and UCX-S.

Otherwise, you'll have to try some of the British sites and see if they do mail order.

Cheers,

Marc

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Apr 27 21:29:45 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:29:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL
References: <20040427101343.GB2210@perolinux.peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <003901c42c8d$ffbca320$3e773242@CopyTech>

Luis:

Unfortunately, that's the reality of having a 1000 ZXL. It cost a fortune to
keep them running. You were lucky; they quoted me $2,000 for repairs and
with all honesty, and no matter how wonderful this machine is, it doesn't
worth it. And then adding the shipping cost from Spain to the US back and
forth ... ooofff ! Forget it !

Stephen Sank is another option. Less expensive, but, unless you refurbish
the whole machine as Jeff recommends, you are just throwing money away.

My advise: sell it as is and stay away from those old ZXL's. I'm dead
serious.

Carlos

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From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:13 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL


>
> Dear all,
>
> I own a 1000ZXL for about a year now, I got off ebay. It needs some
> repair, as even though mechanics seem to work fine, has some electronic
> faults. Noise cracks and pops after 40 min or so, VU meters stop working,
> very bad distorsion when recording, machine unable to align and
> calibrate, etc. Unit is cosmetically mint.
>
> I can't find anybody to service the unit in Spain or Europe, and I am
> thinking in sending the unit to ESLABS, I am sure you all know. They
> estimate 1500$ for the repair to begin with.
>
> So, before I spend that ammount of cash, (plus s&h from Spain, thats
> another 500$ or so! ), any feedback regarding them will be very much
> appreciated. Can they fix these machines? Are they really that good?
>
> Any input - even for alternatives, wil be very much appreciated. I have
> the service manual, but I am overwhelmed with the complexity of the
> machine. Maybe somebody out there can trough some light ...
>
> Thanks and
>
> -- 
> Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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>
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Apr 27 20:07:35 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:07:35 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL
References: <20040427101343.GB2210@perolinux.peromarta.org>
	<003901c42c8d$ffbca320$3e773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <002101c42c82$84ee5900$06299bca@aisha>


Hi Luis,

You can try 'first aid' attempt by replacing problematic orange caps to see
if there's valuable life left on your ZXL.  Please be warned that eventhough
this may solve one or two problems, it will still take months before this
monster 'settles down' - with some attentions required every now and then.
I can understand if ES Labs wants to refurbish the whole unit, it simply
give more peace of mind !

You can do these yourself if you can successfully suck solder out without
damaging trace on old pcb, otherwise ask your local service buddy to do it
for you.  Those PP 'orange' caps that needs to be replaced are everywhere,
and my suggestion is to start with pb problem:

1. PB amp board, to address noise cracks and pops upon playback.
2. FL indicator board 'A' (tricky! needs to open the complete front panel),
only 2 or 3 caps there but can render the whole display useless.  Also
replace that single small lytic cap.

If playback can be cured then proceed to record part ... the tough one.

1. Rec dolby and eq amp boards for rec signal, only a few on detector pcb.
2. CPU pcb 'B' (upper) all the ones in front, near rec head connector.(for
bias and rec signal)
3. CPU pcb 'A" (bottom) on rear side, near 4556 op amp, for test tones.

Hopefully deck can auto align by now so it may be worth keeping: several
'follow up' problems, in my case, usually involve some easy to find ICs.
However, heavier problems such as unable to memorize alignment type may
require difficult to find parts ... and I have to agree with Carlos to sadly
let it go.

Good luck !
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico
To: Luis Peromarta ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL


Luis:

Unfortunately, that's the reality of having a 1000 ZXL. It cost a fortune to
keep them running. You were lucky; they quoted me $2,000 for repairs and
with all honesty, and no matter how wonderful this machine is, it doesn't
worth it. And then adding the shipping cost from Spain to the US back and
forth ... ooofff ! Forget it !

Stephen Sank is another option. Less expensive, but, unless you refurbish
the whole machine as Jeff recommends, you are just throwing money away.

My advise: sell it as is and stay away from those old ZXL's. I'm dead
serious.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:13 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL


>
> Dear all,
>
> I own a 1000ZXL for about a year now, I got off ebay. It needs some
> repair, as even though mechanics seem to work fine, has some electronic
> faults. Noise cracks and pops after 40 min or so, VU meters stop working,
> very bad distorsion when recording, machine unable to align and
> calibrate, etc. Unit is cosmetically mint.
>
> I can't find anybody to service the unit in Spain or Europe, and I am
> thinking in sending the unit to ESLABS, I am sure you all know. They
> estimate 1500$ for the repair to begin with.
>
> So, before I spend that ammount of cash, (plus s&h from Spain, thats
> another 500$ or so! ), any feedback regarding them will be very much
> appreciated. Can they fix these machines? Are they really that good?
>
> Any input - even for alternatives, wil be very much appreciated. I have
> the service manual, but I am overwhelmed with the complexity of the
> machine. Maybe somebody out there can trough some light ...
>
> Thanks and
>
> --
> Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 27 16:49:04 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:49:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] XL-II Warbled on side A only?
References: <s08e5ec1.091@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV38mz6UuEhj00004b87@hotmail.com>

Hi Mark & Rollie,

Mi happens twice with such "3 Packs"...Fuji DR-2 100. one side my earlier
Kenwood 5010 deck was unable to record...after that I "Discovered"...that
half wide side of the cassette, was "Emulsion Coating OFF"... if you can
understand what I mind? Very rare however...happens!!!

Acquired a another brand and throw to the garbage those defectives ones!!!

Cheers...,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <rolandpibb at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] XL-II Warbled on side A only?


> Hi Rollie,
>
> I have only ever encountered something like this with TDK CDing II/74s.
It also only happened with one tape.
>
> I would (if you haven't already) record something on another (totally
different) tape and see if the problem presents itself or not.
>
> Then repeat the same exercise with the offending tapes on another deck.
>
> Then you'll know that there is a definite anomaly with either the deck or
the tapes.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Marc
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 27 17:14:42 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:14:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: TDK SA Cassettes
References: <408BC8FA.3080100@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV25DC0AHmKq00004bc6@hotmail.com>

Shalom to you Mark, and to all our lovely Nak.fans/owners!

Really, as I already wrote with my Free gifted Dragon unit, was two dozens
of "Americans"..made SA-X100. Once during the 90ties, I read that TDK opens
an a "American" factory, for the entire TDK line, could be that today do not
exist anymore...because the extremely low selling of this kind of media...?,
however I'm 100% sure that ONLY the Shell/Housing...was made in US, and the
coated emulsion tape came form Japan. As I already know... for sure that I
will use very barely my received Dragon, because such extensively library of
Lp records received...I will record only music that I can't have in my
possession already...and with today (I yet use/record 3 tapes...for get
experience...!, with the Dragon), till I will pass to an a much better
life...don't see myself acquiring more cassettes.
However after been reading my 3 languages received instructions, the English
translation...(A lot of mistakes... there!), pushing "Tape/Source" top
selector when the Level Selector was ON...I found that during
"Source"...goes till the bars below "0" calibration... however the "Bias"
one is just tune to "0" calibration...? (Is wrote in my received
instructions...that depending on the "Room Temperature"...IT'S POSSIBLE THAT
WILL OCCUR SOME VARIATIONS...among Source & Tape selection...!), so I
calibrated ALSO TAPE POSITION...the "Level"...as is show when "Source"..is
push. And leave in that manner! To my hears with my received cassettes it's
just fine.

Happy enjoyment with your Naks!

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Michelle Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: TDK SA Cassettes


> Hi Everyone,
>
> Alex, I used the TDK SA quite extensively in the early-mid 1980's. I had
> Aiwa decks and found it to be an excellent sounding tape. No other high
> bias tape performed as well in those two Aiwas as the SA. However, I'm
> pretty sure they were factory biased for the SA. In the last few years,
> I've had headroom problems with the TDK SA in my Naks - most notably
> with my ZX-7. I also have headroom problems, to a lesser extent, with
> the SA-X (which I've used more frequently). I believe there may be a
> couple of reasons:
>
> 1. When calibrating with a 15kHz test tone, I notice the TDK SA and SA-X
> need a higher bias current than the Maxell XLII and XLII-S tapes to
> achieve the 0dB (indicated; actually -20dB) level. This leads me to
> believe that more bias current required with the TDK tapes leads to
> inherently less headroom. This is all just a theory.
> 2. The ZX-7 meters are not as accurate as my other Naks. And I align per
> the service manuals, adjusting test tone levels, meter test tone
> display, and meter input levels. My experience here suggests the
> metering is slower responding and not as accurate as my CR-7A or 682ZX;
> meaning my peaks recorded on the ZX-7 display just a little higher on
> the CR-7A, though this varies with the music content. Setting the rec
> level down on the ZX-7 also seems to help.
>
> Stephen Sank told me a little bit different way to optimize the bias on
> the ZX-7 when calibrating the deck prior to recording. It essentially
> involves adjusting the bias pots - with the 400Hz test tone - to
> maximize the 400Hz meter level. Once you find that point, you then
> adjust the level pots to 0dB; and then - with 15kHz tone - adjust the
> bias pots for the indicated 0dB. This different way of optimizing bias
> does seem to help with the TDK tapes.
> I've also heard - but not experienced for myself - dropouts with the TDK
> SA. I've only used 1 or 2 in the last few years, so, I really don't
> know. I've also heard this affects the entire TDK line, though I haven't
> seen it on any of my MA's, and I have a bunch of well-used ones.
>
> Finally, to blow #1 and #2 above out of the water; I've had excellent
> results with the TDK SM. This is the studio verision of the SA and I've
> found it to be an outstanding tape ! I haven't seen the headroom
> problems with it, while the clarity and detail rival the Maxell XLII-S
> with the quiteness that Mark (Hugo) mentioned in his post. I'm guessing
> the binder is probably different than the SA, but, don't know if that
> fully explains why its so much better than the SA.
>
> Mark
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 27 20:34:49 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:34:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL
References: <20040427101343.GB2210@perolinux.peromarta.org>
	<003901c42c8d$ffbca320$3e773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV632ZN9KAy400004e22@hotmail.com>

Dear Luis & Carlos!

As we speak the same native language Spanish. What you wrote...it's truth
also to others complicate & expensive units, per example...my gifted Dragon!

All that is always true,when you have "Once Made"...and NOT more existence
factories!!!

Saludos,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL


> Luis:
>
> Unfortunately, that's the reality of having a 1000 ZXL. It cost a fortune
to
> keep them running. You were lucky; they quoted me $2,000 for repairs and
> with all honesty, and no matter how wonderful this machine is, it doesn't
> worth it. And then adding the shipping cost from Spain to the US back and
> forth ... ooofff ! Forget it !
>
> Stephen Sank is another option. Less expensive, but, unless you refurbish
> the whole machine as Jeff recommends, you are just throwing money away.
>
> My advise: sell it as is and stay away from those old ZXL's. I'm dead
> serious.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:13 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL
>
>
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I own a 1000ZXL for about a year now, I got off ebay. It needs some
> > repair, as even though mechanics seem to work fine, has some electronic
> > faults. Noise cracks and pops after 40 min or so, VU meters stop
working,
> > very bad distorsion when recording, machine unable to align and
> > calibrate, etc. Unit is cosmetically mint.
> >
> > I can't find anybody to service the unit in Spain or Europe, and I am
> > thinking in sending the unit to ESLABS, I am sure you all know. They
> > estimate 1500$ for the repair to begin with.
> >
> > So, before I spend that ammount of cash, (plus s&h from Spain, thats
> > another 500$ or so! ), any feedback regarding them will be very much
> > appreciated. Can they fix these machines? Are they really that good?
> >
> > Any input - even for alternatives, wil be very much appreciated. I have
> > the service manual, but I am overwhelmed with the complexity of the
> > machine. Maybe somebody out there can trough some light ...
> >
> > Thanks and
> >
> > --
> > Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Luis Peromarta         yahoo:lperoma         Rome wasn't built in a day
> > powered by myISP       skype:lperoma      (we didn't have the contract)
> > http://peromarta.org                     http://peebles-engineering.com
> >
> >
> > Las cartas de amor, los contratos de negocios y el dinero
> > que nos deben siempre llegan con tres semanas de retraso.
> >
> > Primera Ley Postal
> >
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From cs006e1811 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr 27 23:05:54 2004
From: cs006e1811 at blueyonder.co.uk (Cecily Smith)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:05:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] nak dr-3
Message-ID: <000801c42c9b$937221a0$8c212252@default>

I have a dr-3 that stops when playing and recording. Can anyone tell me what is causing the problem and where can I find parts and how to install.


Thanks
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Apr 27 15:23:43 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:23:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
In-Reply-To: <13076-408C68F9-2871@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040427092315.025f1c38@psulias.psu.edu>

Dude, run to ebay.  There were like 8 Dragon's for sale yesterday, going 
for under $500.

At 08:42 PM 4/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>oh me..were getting a Dragon WHEEEEEE! is it okay to get one of these
>exotic machines.are they reliable enough for an average consumer to
>depend on years upon years of trouble free service?my brother wants one
>and were going to get it sanctified,however,i am concerned that  this
>machine may be too sophisticated and tempermental,and that we may be
>better off with a diffirent Nak.however,if if the coast is clear,then
>all systems are GO and we are wanting a Nakamchi Dragon if someone here
>has a mint one for sale.
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
>
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From pauro at tin.it  Tue Apr 27 18:45:07 2004
From: pauro at tin.it (P. Rossi)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:45:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Service for 1000ZXL
References: <20040427101343.GB2210@perolinux.peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <001401c42c76$ff757f70$abd0fea9@microsoft>

Hi Luis,

I'm in Rome, Italy. There is a center that still repairs nakamichi cassette
decks. They were the official nakamichi repair center for center&south Italy
in the 80's
I had them recently, abot 5 years ago, check my 682 and zx-7.
The only problem is if they still can find the pieces for your 1000zxl and
the cost.

If you want I can try to find out for you.

Let me know

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL


>
> Dear all,
>
> I own a 1000ZXL for about a year now, I got off ebay. It needs some
> repair, as even though mechanics seem to work fine, has some electronic
> faults. Noise cracks and pops after 40 min or so, VU meters stop working,
> very bad distorsion when recording, machine unable to align and
> calibrate, etc. Unit is cosmetically mint.
>
> I can't find anybody to service the unit in Spain or Europe, and I am
> thinking in sending the unit to ESLABS, I am sure you all know. They
> estimate 1500$ for the repair to begin with.
>
> So, before I spend that ammount of cash, (plus s&h from Spain, thats
> another 500$ or so! ), any feedback regarding them will be very much
> appreciated. Can they fix these machines? Are they really that good?
>
> Any input - even for alternatives, wil be very much appreciated. I have
> the service manual, but I am overwhelmed with the complexity of the
> machine. Maybe somebody out there can trough some light ...
>
> Thanks and
>
> -- 
> Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Luis Peromarta         yahoo:lperoma         Rome wasn't built in a day
> powered by myISP       skype:lperoma      (we didn't have the contract)
> http://peromarta.org                     http://peebles-engineering.com
>
>
> Las cartas de amor, los contratos de negocios y el dinero
> que nos deben siempre llegan con tres semanas de retraso.
>
> Primera Ley Postal
>
> -- 
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From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Tue Apr 27 13:50:43 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:50:43 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Best looking deck
Message-ID: <00e501c42c4d$df7d95f0$143432d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>

Hi guys,

What do you think is the best looking Nak? (as opposed to best sounding)

 My vote goes to my 700 ZXL although I have never seen a gold 1000 ZXL Ltd in the flesh.

Any thoughts?
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Apr 27 20:32:12 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:32:12 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
References: <13076-408C68F9-2871@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <003201c42c85$f573dc60$06299bca@aisha>


Surprisingly, imho Dragons belong more to the reliable group of Naks.  Once
the heads and tape path are properly set up they keep chugging along very
well.  Pay close attention to pb head condition as that convenient auto
reverse feature enables single tape to be played for hours.

Happy hunting =)
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald G.
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon


oh me..were getting a Dragon WHEEEEEE! is it okay to get one of these
exotic machines.are they reliable enough for an average consumer to
depend on years upon years of trouble free service?my brother wants one
and were going to get it sanctified,however,i am concerned that  this
machine may be too sophisticated and tempermental,and that we may be
better off with a diffirent Nak.however,if if the coast is clear,then
all systems are GO and we are wanting a Nakamchi Dragon if someone here
has a mint one for sale.

thank you very much,
gerald





From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Tue Apr 27 20:36:49 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:36:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk]Blank cassettes
Message-ID: <s08e6202.017@mail.anderson.edu>

This is only my personal opinion on those TDK tapes, but if those are
the one's with shiny black shells, with large clear windows and clear
openings over the two tape guide rollers, they are the best quality
shells and tape they made, short of the MA-XG series.  Use those tapes
for some really demanding music and I think you'll be quite favorably
impressed.  Enjoy the Music!

Kent

>>> rastynes at iprimus.com.au 4/23/04 3:10:11 AM >>>
Hi guys,

I posted a list of new quality cassettes I was able to buy in Sydney a
few weeks ago. I am interested to know what other Nakker's are stocking
up on.

I had a nice experience recently in my quest. At Len Wallis Audio (a
large Sydney Hi-Fi store) I asked after some better tapes and was
given(!) a couple of  TDK  SA-X 90's from the early 90's in a gold &
white wrapper and a TDK MA-X 60 with Japanese wrapper from the late
80's.

It goes to show its worth asking! 


From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Tue Apr 27 21:49:59 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:49:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape
Message-ID: <200404271550_MC3-1-80DC-502E@compuserve.com>

Hi Mark,

Couple months ago someone posted that his cr7 was not able to
auto-calibrate using this tape. I found a metal SR at home and my cr7 was
actually able to auto-calibrate. 

But I had trouble with this tape years ago with my Akai deck. The tape
inside maybe OK, but the plastic-shell is cheap quality and the Akai used
to "eat" it! 
I would not recommend this type. Since it is 100 minutes, it is more likely
to have problems (mine was 90min)..

_Fuad


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>
Hi Folks,

What's everyone's experience with the Sony Metal SR tapes ? Is the C100 
length too thin ?

Mark
<




From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com  Tue Apr 27 20:44:03 2004
From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:44:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Portable tape player (Walkman style) availability
Message-ID: <OF044DFF3E.EA4A883C-ON86256E83.00669124-86256E83.0066E8FE@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com>

Are there any quality Walkman style cassette players still available? I 
currently have a Toshiba KT-4538 that is on its third belt and I'm afraid 
she doesn't have too many years left in her. I would really hate to be 
without a portable when she goes...

Gary
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Apr 27 21:30:39 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:30:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Wally world 1.00 pre-recorded cassettes
Message-ID: <27069-408EB4DF-2929@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

hi,just thought i would rush right home and tell all my good friends
here who like rock that wal-mart has 1.00 pre-recorded cassetes
now,first time ive seen them,for 1.00.,and i picked up about 20.00 worth
and im very pleased.some of the stuff i got was 2 cassetee graham parker
anthology,boston -dont lookback,best of kansas,stanley
turrntine,starship-miracles,jeff beck-shapes of things,gang green-you
got it,deep purple-smoke on the water&Shades,kinks-think
visual,springsteen-the wildthe innocent,roger daltry live at carnegie
hall,adrianbelew,ronnie wood-slide on this, and David lee roth -little
aint enough.i only listened to one and it sounds good-springsteen.many
of these appear to be DDA specially marketed for continous sale at
Wal-marts at these prices,nd others appear to be re-priced originally
produced tapes wth original liner notes.

thank you very much,
gerald



From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Apr 27 21:00:00 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:00:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL
In-Reply-To: <002101c42c82$84ee5900$06299bca@aisha>
References: <20040427101343.GB2210@perolinux.peromarta.org>
	<003901c42c8d$ffbca320$3e773242@CopyTech>
	<002101c42c82$84ee5900$06299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <20040427190000.GB9233@perolinux.peromarta.org>

Salim,

Thanks for the inputs. I am willing and able to work n the machine, I
consider myself suitable for tha job - I got a Master degree in
electronics, but have no experience whatsoever in these kind of
machines, and all I could find in the service manual is "use this test
machine" and "use that other aligment gauge".

So I am ready to try your suggestions, and come back to you - if you
don't mind - with my results.

Thanks again, LP.



El 28/04/04 a las  1:07, smarzuki at indosat.net.id dijo : 

> 
> Hi Luis,
> 
> You can try 'first aid' attempt by replacing problematic orange caps to see
> if there's valuable life left on your ZXL.  Please be warned that eventhough
> this may solve one or two problems, it will still take months before this
> monster 'settles down' - with some attentions required every now and then.
> I can understand if ES Labs wants to refurbish the whole unit, it simply
> give more peace of mind !
> 
> You can do these yourself if you can successfully suck solder out without
> damaging trace on old pcb, otherwise ask your local service buddy to do it
> for you.  Those PP 'orange' caps that needs to be replaced are everywhere,
> and my suggestion is to start with pb problem:
> 
> 1. PB amp board, to address noise cracks and pops upon playback.
> 2. FL indicator board 'A' (tricky! needs to open the complete front panel),
> only 2 or 3 caps there but can render the whole display useless.  Also
> replace that single small lytic cap.
> 
> If playback can be cured then proceed to record part ... the tough one.
> 
> 1. Rec dolby and eq amp boards for rec signal, only a few on detector pcb.
> 2. CPU pcb 'B' (upper) all the ones in front, near rec head connector.(for
> bias and rec signal)
> 3. CPU pcb 'A" (bottom) on rear side, near 4556 op amp, for test tones.
> 
> Hopefully deck can auto align by now so it may be worth keeping: several
> 'follow up' problems, in my case, usually involve some easy to find ICs.
> However, heavier problems such as unable to memorize alignment type may
> require difficult to find parts ... and I have to agree with Carlos to sadly
> let it go.
> 
> Good luck !
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico
> To: Luis Peromarta ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL
> 
> 
> Luis:
> 
> Unfortunately, that's the reality of having a 1000 ZXL. It cost a fortune to
> keep them running. You were lucky; they quoted me $2,000 for repairs and
> with all honesty, and no matter how wonderful this machine is, it doesn't
> worth it. And then adding the shipping cost from Spain to the US back and
> forth ... ooofff ! Forget it !
> 
> Stephen Sank is another option. Less expensive, but, unless you refurbish
> the whole machine as Jeff recommends, you are just throwing money away.
> 
> My advise: sell it as is and stay away from those old ZXL's. I'm dead
> serious.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:13 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Service for 1000ZXL
> 
> 
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I own a 1000ZXL for about a year now, I got off ebay. It needs some
> > repair, as even though mechanics seem to work fine, has some electronic
> > faults. Noise cracks and pops after 40 min or so, VU meters stop working,
> > very bad distorsion when recording, machine unable to align and
> > calibrate, etc. Unit is cosmetically mint.
> >
> > I can't find anybody to service the unit in Spain or Europe, and I am
> > thinking in sending the unit to ESLABS, I am sure you all know. They
> > estimate 1500$ for the repair to begin with.
> >
> > So, before I spend that ammount of cash, (plus s&h from Spain, thats
> > another 500$ or so! ), any feedback regarding them will be very much
> > appreciated. Can they fix these machines? Are they really that good?
> >
> > Any input - even for alternatives, wil be very much appreciated. I have
> > the service manual, but I am overwhelmed with the complexity of the
> > machine. Maybe somebody out there can trough some light ...
> >
> > Thanks and
> >
> > --
> > Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement
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> 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Apr 28 00:16:22 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:16:22 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <b3aee22b3add22.b3add22b3aee22@vsnl.net>

Sorry Salim
Dragon may need attention once in a while atleast because of 
1. Orange Caps
2. Auto azimuth can be troublesome coupled with DD Motor control as well as undocumented Nak modification to its circuit to get the DD motor to track.
3. after years of use Some Dragons exhibit reverse play problems - I have noticed same on atleast 3 Dragons.
As usual Dragon if not used regularly can cause the grease on pinch rolar arm to freeze. Dragons are not easy to repair by novice electronic techies! and imagine if the spool drive idler goes bad - you have to open the DD motor to pull out the idler wheel - which I did - I know how tricky is that part!!! 
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon

> 
> Surprisingly, imho Dragons belong more to the reliable group of 
> Naks.  Once
> the heads and tape path are properly set up they keep chugging 
> along very
> well.  Pay close attention to pb head condition as that convenient 
> autoreverse feature enables single tape to be played for hours.
> 
> Happy hunting =)
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald G.
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:42 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
> 
> 
> oh me..were getting a Dragon WHEEEEEE! is it okay to get one of these
> exotic machines.are they reliable enough for an average consumer to
> depend on years upon years of trouble free service?my brother 
> wants one
> and were going to get it sanctified,however,i am concerned that  this
> machine may be too sophisticated and tempermental,and that we may be
> better off with a diffirent Nak.however,if if the coast is clear,then
> all systems are GO and we are wanting a Nakamchi Dragon if someone 
> herehas a mint one for sale.
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
> 
> 
> 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Apr 28 08:39:19 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:39:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best looking deck
Message-ID: <s08f6fe6.074@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Rob,

My vote for the pageant winner goes to the champagne gold finish DR-10 (orient markets only), 1st runner-up: the rare silver finsih Cassette Deck 2 and second runner-up, concurring with you, the 700 ZXL/ZXE.

Cheers,

Marc

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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Apr 28 19:23:18 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:23:18 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
References: <b3aee22b3add22.b3add22b3aee22@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000801c42d45$80202480$0f299bca@aisha>


Hi Kannan,

I was thinking if we were to split Naks into 2 groups with each group having
equal number of decks: less reliable decks ... and relatively tough ones.
Here in my experience Dragons fell into the latter group, and not
'temperamental' ... especially if the sensitive tape path and head alignment
has been Sanktified !

For example the more problematic group were filled with, surprise =), ZXLs,
as well as RXs and rubber idler decks.  While LX5 and CR4, once set-up,
almost never need having their cover re-opened.  I also encountered some
reverse play problem, which usually caused by sticky retracting / swinging
guides - but once lubed, the problem gone almost for good.

Totally agree that they're quite stuffed inside which make maneuvers
difficult !  Speaking of replacing old idler rubber, my 'favorite' is a dead
cass well bulb on zxl ... so much hassle over that !#$%^&

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon


Sorry Salim
Dragon may need attention once in a while atleast because of
1. Orange Caps
2. Auto azimuth can be troublesome coupled with DD Motor control as well as
undocumented Nak modification to its circuit to get the DD motor to track.
3. after years of use Some Dragons exhibit reverse play problems - I have
noticed same on atleast 3 Dragons.
As usual Dragon if not used regularly can cause the grease on pinch rolar
arm to freeze. Dragons are not easy to repair by novice electronic techies!
and imagine if the spool drive idler goes bad - you have to open the DD
motor to pull out the idler wheel - which I did - I know how tricky is that
part!!!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon

>
> Surprisingly, imho Dragons belong more to the reliable group of
> Naks.  Once
> the heads and tape path are properly set up they keep chugging
> along very




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 28 01:40:59 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:40:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk]Blank cassettes
References: <s08e6202.017@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV46fyz5b6KZ00005221@hotmail.com>

Shalom,

My received two dozens ones, are mat black shell; narrow window..and sounds
lovely!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Merideth" <khmerideth at anderson.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk]Blank cassettes


> This is only my personal opinion on those TDK tapes, but if those are
> the one's with shiny black shells, with large clear windows and clear
> openings over the two tape guide rollers, they are the best quality
> shells and tape they made, short of the MA-XG series.  Use those tapes
> for some really demanding music and I think you'll be quite favorably
> impressed.  Enjoy the Music!
>
> Kent
>
> >>> rastynes at iprimus.com.au 4/23/04 3:10:11 AM >>>
> Hi guys,
>
> I posted a list of new quality cassettes I was able to buy in Sydney a
> few weeks ago. I am interested to know what other Nakker's are stocking
> up on.
>
> I had a nice experience recently in my quest. At Len Wallis Audio (a
> large Sydney Hi-Fi store) I asked after some better tapes and was
> given(!) a couple of  TDK  SA-X 90's from the early 90's in a gold &
> white wrapper and a TDK MA-X 60 with Japanese wrapper from the late
> 80's.
>
> It goes to show its worth asking!
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 28 02:02:10 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 02:02:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
References: <b3aee22b3add22.b3add22b3aee22@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV190giSftNt00005374@hotmail.com>

Shalom,

Certainly I agree, as mine received Dragon was 20 years boxed, and after 36
hours of continuously warm up powered on, my first played cassette, when
came reversed automatically, I hear an a loudly wrhirrrrrrrr...sound. I
stopped the machine, open the cassette loaded section...pull out the
cassette cover and extremely lighter I spray to the lover plastic/Teflon
gear very...very lighter a Silicone oil, wait 10 minutes, close the cassette
lid, loaded with the same cassette, and press play + reverse and
continuously button...leaving the machine to play the cassette of 100
minutes X-5 times. From the third time change directions quickly and in
silence...the "Auto azimuth" arrow blinks very briefly each time the
direction was changed and today, all work extremely silent. For so...it's
100 true that the grease freeze after the years,,,however if used it more or
less continuously...all the lubricated electronics parts will service you
loyal.

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon


> Sorry Salim
> Dragon may need attention once in a while atleast because of
> 1. Orange Caps
> 2. Auto azimuth can be troublesome coupled with DD Motor control as well
as undocumented Nak modification to its circuit to get the DD motor to
track.
> 3. after years of use Some Dragons exhibit reverse play problems - I have
noticed same on atleast 3 Dragons.
> As usual Dragon if not used regularly can cause the grease on pinch rolar
arm to freeze. Dragons are not easy to repair by novice electronic techies!
and imagine if the spool drive idler goes bad - you have to open the DD
motor to pull out the idler wheel - which I did - I know how tricky is that
part!!!
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:32 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
>
> >
> > Surprisingly, imho Dragons belong more to the reliable group of
> > Naks.  Once
> > the heads and tape path are properly set up they keep chugging
> > along very
> > well.  Pay close attention to pb head condition as that convenient
> > autoreverse feature enables single tape to be played for hours.
> >
> > Happy hunting =)
> > Salim SM
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gerald G.
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:42 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
> >
> >
> > oh me..were getting a Dragon WHEEEEEE! is it okay to get one of these
> > exotic machines.are they reliable enough for an average consumer to
> > depend on years upon years of trouble free service?my brother
> > wants one
> > and were going to get it sanctified,however,i am concerned that  this
> > machine may be too sophisticated and tempermental,and that we may be
> > better off with a diffirent Nak.however,if if the coast is clear,then
> > all systems are GO and we are wanting a Nakamchi Dragon if someone
> > herehas a mint one for sale.
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
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> >
>
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From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com  Tue Apr 27 23:42:56 2004
From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:42:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Best looking deck
Message-ID: <D594367B02A8994A92A6B36C734CFA610FCF8D@uec16.ue.com>

hey R,
i like the look of my 660zx w/it's old style level meters & the
massive rack handles. the lx5 also has a cool look.
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Stynes [mailto:rastynes at iprimus.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:51 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Best looking deck


Hi guys,

What do you think is the best looking Nak? (as opposed to best sounding)

 My vote goes to my 700 ZXL although I have never seen a gold 1000 ZXL Ltd in the flesh.

Any thoughts?


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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Tue Apr 27 22:49:13 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:49:13 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] dolby s
Message-ID: <20040427.134926.29787.9648@webmail19.lax.untd.com>



OK.
Here's something to chew on. Sony puts out poor sounding decks (in my opinion) but they include Dolby S, giving an 80 db SN. Specs alone would indicate that's the ultimate and we can only surmise how our NAKS would sound.
  So I scouted the Net and found that Dolby does make an outboard dolby system with b, c and s. About $450.
  Can't anyone make them cheaper? Or can some enterprising type get chips and update outboards, at least.
   The other thing I dunno anything about it the the Sony decks have a bias of 160...why, what does that do?
  thanks
    bob

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Apr 28 19:43:13 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:43:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
In-Reply-To: <000801c42d45$80202480$0f299bca@aisha>
References: <b3aee22b3add22.b3add22b3aee22@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040428134245.02666790@psulias.psu.edu>

FWIW, my lowly CR-2 has been nothing but a champ.

At 12:23 AM 4/29/2004 +0700, you wrote:

>Hi Kannan,
>
>I was thinking if we were to split Naks into 2 groups with each group having
>equal number of decks: less reliable decks ... and relatively tough ones.
>Here in my experience Dragons fell into the latter group, and not
>'temperamental' ... especially if the sensitive tape path and head alignment
>has been Sanktified !
>
>For example the more problematic group were filled with, surprise =), ZXLs,
>as well as RXs and rubber idler decks.  While LX5 and CR4, once set-up,
>almost never need having their cover re-opened.  I also encountered some
>reverse play problem, which usually caused by sticky retracting / swinging
>guides - but once lubed, the problem gone almost for good.
>
>Totally agree that they're quite stuffed inside which make maneuvers
>difficult !  Speaking of replacing old idler rubber, my 'favorite' is a dead
>cass well bulb on zxl ... so much hassle over that !#$%^&
>
>Cheers,
>Salim SM
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
>
>
>Sorry Salim
>Dragon may need attention once in a while atleast because of
>1. Orange Caps
>2. Auto azimuth can be troublesome coupled with DD Motor control as well as
>undocumented Nak modification to its circuit to get the DD motor to track.
>3. after years of use Some Dragons exhibit reverse play problems - I have
>noticed same on atleast 3 Dragons.
>As usual Dragon if not used regularly can cause the grease on pinch rolar
>arm to freeze. Dragons are not easy to repair by novice electronic techies!
>and imagine if the spool drive idler goes bad - you have to open the DD
>motor to pull out the idler wheel - which I did - I know how tricky is that
>part!!!
>kannan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
>Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:32 am
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
>
> >
> > Surprisingly, imho Dragons belong more to the reliable group of
> > Naks.  Once
> > the heads and tape path are properly set up they keep chugging
> > along very
>
>
>========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed Apr 28 03:16:40 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:16:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <14659-408F05F8-331@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

thanks KANNAN,i am scared away from the mighty Dragon now.I own an
RX-303,would you say its susceptible to most of the problems of the
dragon(it being an auto reverse deck)and with the azimuth?i know from
previous information that the RX-303 doesn't have the dreaded orange
caps though.Also,what would you Nakkies(naksters,nakamaniacs)consider
the best compromise in a late model three head Nak deck- for
reliability,sound and parts availability(price notwithstanding).

thank you very much,
gerald



From masonmjs at runbox.com  Wed Apr 28 02:58:39 2004
From: masonmjs at runbox.com (Mike Mason)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:58:39 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Best looking deck
Message-ID: <E1BIdPL-0005T6-VM@fetch-bak.runbox.com>

Hi there,

Well the 700 ZXL is certainly nice, but a bit too big for my liking.  I reckon that the 600 series were pretty flashy in a retro kind of way, and that the overall winner for me is either the LX3 or LX5 (both pretty much the same looking).

I like the un-cluttered look, and the combination of silver and black colouring.  (together with good performance obviously).

Mike


> Hi guys,
> 
> What do you think is the best looking Nak? (as opposed to best sounding)
> 
>  My vote goes to my 700 ZXL although I have never seen a gold 1000 ZXL Ltd in the flesh.
> 
> Any thoughts?
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From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 28 17:47:38 2004
From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:47:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <408FD21A.8000600@sbcglobal.net>

Kannan said:

 "Dragons are not easy to repair by novice electronic techies!"

Ken says:

"My dragon was easy to fix!!  I just mailed it to Kannan! Works fine now."

:-)))

Ken





From jochi at qwest.net  Wed Apr 28 02:15:47 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:15:47 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape
References: <200404271550_MC3-1-80DC-502E@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <004601c42cb5$f4a0d420$0400000a@uswest.net>

Fuad and Mark,

I am the person that posted a short while back, concerned as to why my CR-7
would not calibrate the Sony SR-100 tapes.  By the way, I had purchased the
tapes at Stereo Advantage which is the same as Sam Goody as far as I can
tell.

Anyway, I bought a bunch of those tapes.  Some have calibrated and some not.
I wondered why the inconsistency since I had just had my CR-7 overhauled by
Stephen Sank.  So I asked Stephen who said he holds Sony tapes generally in
very low regard, both sonically and durability-wise.  He thinks even
mid-grade Maxells are superior to Sony's high grades.  Personally, I think
the Sony SR-100 sound fine, but I am concerned about the quality control
because of the calibration issue.  From my own experience with the Maxell
XLII-S tapes fabricated in England, the spool mechanism is not as smooth as
it could be, but the tape sounds fine.  I am kind of like Mark Hugo in
believing that each tape has its own personality and you have to figure out
each tape.  I also like the Emtec Chrome Extras for being smooth, but the
ones I have are very slightly hissy in terms of background.  But the Emtec
Reference Maxima IIs are the best---smooth, quiet, great dynamics, fabulous
tape but very hard to find.

Jon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape


> Hi Mark,
>
> Couple months ago someone posted that his cr7 was not able to
> auto-calibrate using this tape. I found a metal SR at home and my cr7 was
> actually able to auto-calibrate.
>
> But I had trouble with this tape years ago with my Akai deck. The tape
> inside maybe OK, but the plastic-shell is cheap quality and the Akai used
> to "eat" it!
> I would not recommend this type. Since it is 100 minutes, it is more
likely
> to have problems (mine was 90min)..
>
> _Fuad
>
>
> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> >
> Hi Folks,
>
> What's everyone's experience with the Sony Metal SR tapes ? Is the C100
> length too thin ?
>
> Mark
> <
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Apr 29 00:12:35 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:12:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <b5b857bb5b104f.b5b104fb5b857b@vsnl.net>

Hi Gerald
do not get scared - like any other electro mechanical equipment, Nak cassette decks have their weak spots! So do not expect a miracle when you buy xxx model and expect to be trouble free. Fortunately there are few surviving Nak techs around to service Dragons and - well spares are not bad as far as Dragon is concerned. However be prepared to spend money - unlike 1500$ range for 1000ZXL! -incase you buy a Dragon. I still consider Dragon as number 1 and CR7 as the number 2 machine to own. If you cannot afford these two any other Nak three head would be fine. 
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:16 pm
Subject: [naktalk] wanted mint Nak Dragon

> thanks KANNAN,i am scared away from the mighty Dragon now.I own an
> RX-303,would you say its susceptible to most of the problems of the
> dragon(it being an auto reverse deck)and with the azimuth?i know from
> previous information that the RX-303 doesn't have the dreaded orange
> caps though.Also,what would you Nakkies(naksters,nakamaniacs)consider
> the best compromise in a late model three head Nak deck- for
> reliability,sound and parts availability(price notwithstanding).
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From masonmjs at runbox.com  Wed Apr 28 04:09:38 2004
From: masonmjs at runbox.com (Mike Mason)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 02:09:38 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Best looking deck
Message-ID: <E1BIeW2-000780-Hi@fetch-bak.runbox.com>

Hi there,

Well the 700 ZXL is certainly nice, but a bit too big for my liking.  I reckon that the 600 series were pretty flashy in a retro kind of way, and that the overall winner for me is either the LX3 or LX5 (both pretty much the same looking).

I like the un-cluttered look, and the combination of silver and black colouring.  (together with good performance obviously).

Mike


> Hi guys,
> 
> What do you think is the best looking Nak? (as opposed to best sounding)
> 
>  My vote goes to my 700 ZXL although I have never seen a gold 1000 ZXL Ltd in the flesh.
> 
> Any thoughts?
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From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Thu Apr 29 00:27:28 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:27:28 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Best looking deck
References: <E1BIdPL-0005T6-VM@fetch-bak.runbox.com>
Message-ID: <01ed01c42d6f$fdf86230$143432d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>

Hi Mike,

No argument over the size of the 700 ZXL. I also have a non-working LX 3.
I'm happy just to look at it. Like a mini 700 ZXL but alot more plastic.

Rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mason" <masonmjs at runbox.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best looking deck


> Hi there,
>
> Well the 700 ZXL is certainly nice, but a bit too big for my liking.  I
reckon that the 600 series were pretty flashy in a retro kind of way, and
that the overall winner for me is either the LX3 or LX5 (both pretty much
the same looking).
>
> I like the un-cluttered look, and the combination of silver and black
colouring.  (together with good performance obviously).
>
> Mike
>
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > What do you think is the best looking Nak? (as opposed to best sounding)
> >
> >  My vote goes to my 700 ZXL although I have never seen a gold 1000 ZXL
Ltd in the flesh.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu Apr 29 01:45:11 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:45:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Best Looking
Message-ID: <001001c42d7a$d949a9c0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hey Andy,

I agree with you.  I have a 670zx.  It has very nice ergonomics, great classic look slightly less "transformer" looking than the Dragon and CR series.  The VU meters are great.  Mine happens to perform extremely well also.

Robert Kent


From: "Dundis, Andy" <Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best looking deck
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <D594367B02A8994A92A6B36C734CFA610FCF8D at uec16.ue.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

hey R,
i like the look of my 660zx w/it's old style level meters & the
massive rack handles. the lx5 also has a cool look.
A

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From timbarrett at cox.net  Thu Apr 29 02:50:17 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:50:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] collections
Message-ID: <40901909.6887.4E1021@localhost>

This recent talk of albums and CD's got me to looking over my stuff, and 
finding things that I'd completely forgot about.  One of them is on the 
table now, Pink Floyd's 'Meddle'.  Wow, it's been a long time.  Anyway, 
there's about 600 vinyl albums and about 400 CD's.  It's amazing what 
time and a failing memory can do for a person!  Makes me wonder what 
else I've got lying about that remains to be refound.



From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Thu Apr 29 03:28:59 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:28:59 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Prettiest Nak
Message-ID: <22368574@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From kjbleus at charter.net  Thu Apr 29 05:34:00 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:34:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
Message-ID: <008701c42d9a$d06b8f60$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Greetings....

I posted an email on NakChatt a few months ago, about an obscure (at least in the USA) Japanese edition of TDK metal type IV cassette manufactured from the mid 1990's.  I'm wondering if any NakTalkers have thoughts or factual specification info for the TDK MA-EX cassette.  Read below in my earlier email for details that I've gathered recently.  Also, I'm slowly doing a comparison spreadsheet of most high end metal type IV cassettes from the '80s and '90s.  Email me if you have comments or want to contribute to the analysis.  Someday soon, I will post on my Nak CyberSpot website.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html


--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:

Just wondering if any of you NakChatters has performance info for the 
TDK MA-EX cassette, which was manufactured during the early to mid 
1990's.  I believe these cassettes were only sold retail in Japan 
(maybe other east asian market).

Only info I have is from a Japanese collectors website, no apparent 
reviews in magazines, et cetera.  Does anyone have comparable specs 
for the MA-EX?  What I do know is this:

MOL 315 Hz = +6.5 dB

MOL 10 KHz = 0 dB!!!

Dynamic Range = +65 dB

Bias Noise = -58.5 dB

I'm doing a comparison of several metal cassettes of the era (TDK MA-
R, MA-XG, MA-EX, Maxell MX, MX-S, Sony MetalMaster, Super Metal 
Master, Nakamichi ZX, PDM 1100, others.  Any info you all may be 
able to share is appreciated.

Regards,

K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus @charter.net

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:

I've been studying some of the oldie articles from Audio Magazine 
(you know, the Audio Magazine of the 1980s was the very best formated 
and contributors par excellence!!!), and one of the early '90s 
articles by Howard Robertson, determined that the TDK MA-XG (green 
top of case) has the finest specifications overall.  I've got a few 
of those, and the specs exceed the MA-R's capability!  I'm amazed at 
the very excellent repro ability of these cassettes.  I still tend to 
use Maxell MS-X for my favorites (I've got a few boses remaining), 
but now I'm experimenting with TDK products.  Most recently the TDK 
MA-EX (Japanses edition). Dabbling with some Sony products too.

So, my question to you, when you get high-end cassettes in Australia, 
where do you find them, and where is the originating manufacturing 
country?

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:

Another nice piece of reference info.....

http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm

When you want to have a visual of almost any classic cassette tape, in the original wrapper!

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Apr 29 11:43:47 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:43:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
Message-ID: <s090ea7d.047@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Jon,

I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However, I don't have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection.  In terms of "high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from GoldStar (before they re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also have one or two BASF Reference Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any problems that might arise from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e. They are holding up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would expect from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day they were recorded.

I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  I do however remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both MX-S, and  XLII-S from a point of view of neutrality and faith to the source after calibrating carefully.  He also reported on the Metal Vertex as being the only cassette in his experience to have modulation noise that could be attributed to the tapes mechanism.

On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the best and most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are somewhat sweeping.  There are variations to be sure, but considering the width of product ranges, the span of years and the enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it doesn't seem  likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on either excellence or indifference.

I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal Master.  I have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not Maxell Metal Vertex or TDK MA-EX.

If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front rank of super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the references I have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an ability to soak up the most abusive levels with ease.  I append a couple of impressions on this tape that I inluded in an e-mail yesterday to my ex-wife for whom I did the recording.

*****************************
I tested it first on the Nakamichi 682ZX with  two tracks, both by Vangelis - th original full length "Alpha" and the "Hymne" also from the Portraits album.   As you know I have used some pretty special tapes in the past, talking genuine type IV metals - like TDK MA-X and the venerable MA-XG, Maxell MX-S etc.  Serious media by any measurement.  But this blew me away.  I looked up the specs and set the rec levels accordingly to max out at the indicated levels per the 1993 What Hi-Fi tape test guide for the type.  (Way higher than ferrics and chromes).  The recording was done with  Dolby B as is your preference.  I could not believe the detail, stereo seperation and sheer breathtaking power of the replay.  Even with mere Dolby B, the background is utterly quiet and the dynamic range is easily the most potent I have ever heard.  Resolution is of the first order, and yet the occasional edginess and sibilance that one gets (more with vocals) with, say Sony Metal-ES is not in evidence.  I then recorded your first classical item, being Beethoven's Symphony No 7.    I could choose either the London Philharmonic with Barry Wordsworth or a DGG cutting with the Vienna Philharmonic conducted by, I think, Carlos Kleiber.  I chose the former, being I felt a slightly cleaner recording  and artistically a bit more neutral.  Being a a C-60, I only got three movements of the 39 minute work on the one side and the fouth movement on the second side.  This leaves me with 23 minutes of precious metal to work with.

The sound is clean, clean, clean.  I was so impressed by the results of your recording on Sony SMM that I ended up unintentionally listening from beginning to end, somehow bolted to the chair.  I found I was hearing many things I had never heard before.   The clarity level is simply outrageously good.  

*********************************
Jon, speaking of other Sonys, I can't think why anyone wouldn't enjoy the exuberance of UX, UX-Pro or UX-S.  They are good media, particulalry the latter.  I also use ZX (a cheap and cheerful type 1 that is a solid mimic of a TDK D - and no less durable).  

I'll see if I can find that reference to the quality and durability of Sony's and point you in the right direction, link-wise.

Cheers,

Marc



>>> jochi at qwest.net 04/28/04 02:15AM >>>
Fuad and Mark,

I am the person that posted a short while back, concerned as to why my CR-7
would not calibrate the Sony SR-100 tapes.  By the way, I had purchased the
tapes at Stereo Advantage which is the same as Sam Goody as far as I can
tell.

Anyway, I bought a bunch of those tapes.  Some have calibrated and some not.
I wondered why the inconsistency since I had just had my CR-7 overhauled by
Stephen Sank.  So I asked Stephen who said he holds Sony tapes generally in
very low regard, both sonically and durability-wise.  He thinks even
mid-grade Maxells are superior to Sony's high grades.  Personally, I think
the Sony SR-100 sound fine, but I am concerned about the quality control
because of the calibration issue.  From my own experience with the Maxell
XLII-S tapes fabricated in England, the spool mechanism is not as smooth as
it could be, but the tape sounds fine.  I am kind of like Mark Hugo in
believing that each tape has its own personality and you have to figure out
each tape.  I also like the Emtec Chrome Extras for being smooth, but the
ones I have are very slightly hissy in terms of background.  But the Emtec
Reference Maxima IIs are the best---smooth, quiet, great dynamics, fabulous
tape but very hard to find.

Jon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape


> Hi Mark,
>
> Couple months ago someone posted that his cr7 was not able to
> auto-calibrate using this tape. I found a metal SR at home and my cr7 was
> actually able to auto-calibrate.
>
> But I had trouble with this tape years ago with my Akai deck. The tape
> inside maybe OK, but the plastic-shell is cheap quality and the Akai used
> to "eat" it!
> I would not recommend this type. Since it is 100 minutes, it is more
likely
> to have problems (mine was 90min)..
>
> _Fuad
>
>
> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com 
> >
> Hi Folks,
>
> What's everyone's experience with the Sony Metal SR tapes ? Is the C100
> length too thin ?
>
> Mark
> <
>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Apr 29 11:08:07 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:08:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
Message-ID: <s090e227.060@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Jon,

I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However, I don't have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection.  In terms of "high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from GoldStar (before they re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also have one or two BASF Reference Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any problems that might arise from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e. They are holding up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would expect from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day they were recorded.

I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  I do however remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both MX-S, and  XLII-S from a point of view of neutrality and faith to the source after calibrating carefully.  He also reported on the Metal Vertex as being the only cassette in his experience to have modulation noise that could be attributed to the tapes mechanism.

On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the best and most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are somewhat sweeping.  There are variations to be sure, but considering the width of product ranges, the span of years and the enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it doesn't seem  likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on either excellence or indifference.

I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal Master.  I have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not Maxell Metal Vertex or TDK MA-EX.

If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front rank of super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the references I have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an ability to soak up the most abusive levels with ease.  I append a couple of impressions on this tape that I inluded in an e-mail yesterday to my ex-wife for whom I did the recording.

*****************************
I tested it first on the Nakamichi 682ZX with  two tracks, both by Vangelis - th original full length "Alpha" and the "Hymne" also from the Portraits album.   As you know I have used some pretty special tapes in the past, talking genuine type IV metals - like TDK MA-X and the venerable MA-XG, Maxell MX-S etc.  Serious media by any measurement.  But this blew me away.  I looked up the specs and set the rec levels accordingly to max out at the indicated levels per the 1993 What Hi-Fi tape test guide for the type.  (Way higher than ferrics and chromes).  The recording was done with  Dolby B as is your preference.  I could not believe the detail, stereo seperation and sheer breathtaking power of the replay.  Even with mere Dolby B, the background is utterly quiet and the dynamic range is easily the most potent I have ever heard.  Resolution is of the first order, and yet the occasional edginess and sibilance that one gets (more with vocals) with, say Sony Metal-ES is not in evidence.  I then recorded your first classical item, being Beethoven's Symphony No 7.    I could choose either the London Philharmonic with Barry Wordsworth or a DGG cutting with the Vienna Philharmonic conducted by, I think, Carlos Kleiber.  I chose the former, being I felt a slightly cleaner recording  and artistically a bit more neutral.  Being a a C-60, I only got three movements of the 39 minute work on the one side and the fouth movement on the second side.  This leaves me with 23 minutes of precious metal to work with.

The sound is clean, clean, clean.  I was so impressed by the results of your recording on Sony SMM that I ended up unintentionally listening from beginning to end, somehow bolted to the chair.  I found I was hearing many things I had never heard before.   The clarity level is simply outrageously good.  

*********************************
Jon, speaking of other Sonys, I can't think why anyone wouldn't enjoy the exuberance of UX, UX-Pro or UX-S.  They are good media, particulalry the latter.  I also use ZX (a cheap and cheerful type 1 that is a solid mimic of a TDK D - and no less durable).  

I'll see if I can find that reference to the quality and durability of Sony's and point you in the right direction, link-wise.

Cheers,

Marc



>>> jochi at qwest.net 04/28/04 02:15AM >>>
Fuad and Mark,

I am the person that posted a short while back, concerned as to why my CR-7
would not calibrate the Sony SR-100 tapes.  By the way, I had purchased the
tapes at Stereo Advantage which is the same as Sam Goody as far as I can
tell.

Anyway, I bought a bunch of those tapes.  Some have calibrated and some not.
I wondered why the inconsistency since I had just had my CR-7 overhauled by
Stephen Sank.  So I asked Stephen who said he holds Sony tapes generally in
very low regard, both sonically and durability-wise.  He thinks even
mid-grade Maxells are superior to Sony's high grades.  Personally, I think
the Sony SR-100 sound fine, but I am concerned about the quality control
because of the calibration issue.  From my own experience with the Maxell
XLII-S tapes fabricated in England, the spool mechanism is not as smooth as
it could be, but the tape sounds fine.  I am kind of like Mark Hugo in
believing that each tape has its own personality and you have to figure out
each tape.  I also like the Emtec Chrome Extras for being smooth, but the
ones I have are very slightly hissy in terms of background.  But the Emtec
Reference Maxima IIs are the best---smooth, quiet, great dynamics, fabulous
tape but very hard to find.

Jon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape


> Hi Mark,
>
> Couple months ago someone posted that his cr7 was not able to
> auto-calibrate using this tape. I found a metal SR at home and my cr7 was
> actually able to auto-calibrate.
>
> But I had trouble with this tape years ago with my Akai deck. The tape
> inside maybe OK, but the plastic-shell is cheap quality and the Akai used
> to "eat" it!
> I would not recommend this type. Since it is 100 minutes, it is more
likely
> to have problems (mine was 90min)..
>
> _Fuad
>
>
> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com 
> >
> Hi Folks,
>
> What's everyone's experience with the Sony Metal SR tapes ? Is the C100
> length too thin ?
>
> Mark
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Apr 29 13:47:06 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:47:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
Message-ID: <s091076f.037@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Mr Bleus,

I don't have a MA-EX unfortunaltely.  However, those are extraordinary figures for it - everything points to it being a superb performer.  Those numbers are, on balance, better then the MA-XG!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> kjbleus at charter.net 04/29/04 05:34AM >>>
Greetings....

I posted an email on NakChatt a few months ago, about an obscure (at least in the USA) Japanese edition of TDK metal type IV cassette manufactured from the mid 1990's.  I'm wondering if any NakTalkers have thoughts or factual specification info for the TDK MA-EX cassette.  Read below in my earlier email for details that I've gathered recently.  Also, I'm slowly doing a comparison spreadsheet of most high end metal type IV cassettes from the '80s and '90s.  Email me if you have comments or want to contribute to the analysis.  Someday soon, I will post on my Nak CyberSpot website.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html 


--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:

Just wondering if any of you NakChatters has performance info for the 
TDK MA-EX cassette, which was manufactured during the early to mid 
1990's.  I believe these cassettes were only sold retail in Japan 
(maybe other east asian market).

Only info I have is from a Japanese collectors website, no apparent 
reviews in magazines, et cetera.  Does anyone have comparable specs 
for the MA-EX?  What I do know is this:

MOL 315 Hz = +6.5 dB

MOL 10 KHz = 0 dB!!!

Dynamic Range = +65 dB

Bias Noise = -58.5 dB

I'm doing a comparison of several metal cassettes of the era (TDK MA-
R, MA-XG, MA-EX, Maxell MX, MX-S, Sony MetalMaster, Super Metal 
Master, Nakamichi ZX, PDM 1100, others.  Any info you all may be 
able to share is appreciated.

Regards,

K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus @charter.net

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:

I've been studying some of the oldie articles from Audio Magazine 
(you know, the Audio Magazine of the 1980s was the very best formated 
and contributors par excellence!!!), and one of the early '90s 
articles by Howard Robertson, determined that the TDK MA-XG (green 
top of case) has the finest specifications overall.  I've got a few 
of those, and the specs exceed the MA-R's capability!  I'm amazed at 
the very excellent repro ability of these cassettes.  I still tend to 
use Maxell MS-X for my favorites (I've got a few boses remaining), 
but now I'm experimenting with TDK products.  Most recently the TDK 
MA-EX (Japanses edition). Dabbling with some Sony products too.

So, my question to you, when you get high-end cassettes in Australia, 
where do you find them, and where is the originating manufacturing 
country?

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:

Another nice piece of reference info.....

http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm 

When you want to have a visual of almost any classic cassette tape, in the original wrapper!

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu Apr 29 19:46:14 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:46:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
Message-ID: <b7b41fdb7b2dfb.b7b2dfbb7b41fd@vsnl.net>

My experience with Sony metal SR tape is equally good using my 582 in Inida. Ifound Sony metal tapes nowhere near even average while their CD base or name like that was not great tape ( even TDK tapes called CDit - or the vice versa? - or equally average in record quality even with bias level calibration)
I actually try to use on calibrating type of machines say dragon/ CR7 or 582 where you can tweak the bias using in built 15 Khz tone. Even without any tweaking I got good results with Sony metal SR tape. I do not mind examining the tape which gave problem - If Jon could send me the tape, I can try finding out why it is not calibrationg - what you can do is try calibrating with Cr 7 and when it fails send me the tape as it is - also let me know which action fails ( like Azimuth/ level or bias - CR 7 will show these phases of calibration and once the first step - azimuth aligment is acceptable it goes to next phase of calibration namely level setting and finally bias setting. Once first cycle is OK, it goes through this second time to get it to more accurate calibration, Jon you can contact me off list incase interested?
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:43 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM

> Hi Jon,
> 
> I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However, 
> I don't have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection. 
> In terms of "high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from 
> GoldStar (before they re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell 
> (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also have one or two BASF Reference 
> Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any problems that might arise 
> from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e. They are holding 
> up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would expect 
> from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day 
> they were recorded.
> 
> I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  I do 
> however remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both 
> MX-S, and  XLII-S from a point of view of neutrality and faith to 
> the source after calibrating carefully.  He also reported on the 
> Metal Vertex as being the only cassette in his experience to have 
> modulation noise that could be attributed to the tapes mechanism.
> 
> On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the 
> shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the 
> best and most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are 
> somewhat sweeping.  There are variations to be sure, but 
> considering the width of product ranges, the span of years and the 
> enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it doesn't seem  
> likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on either 
> excellence or indifference.
> 
> I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal 
> Master.  I have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not 
> Maxell Metal Vertex or TDK MA-EX.
> 
> If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front rank of 
> super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the 
> references I have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an 
> ability to soak up the most abusive levels with ease.  I append a 
> couple of impressions on this tape that I inluded in an e-mail 
> yesterday to my ex-wife for whom I did the recording.
> 
> *****************************
> I tested it first on the Nakamichi 682ZX with  two tracks, both by 
> Vangelis - th original full length "Alpha" and the "Hymne" also 
> from the Portraits album.   As you know I have used some pretty 
> special tapes in the past, talking genuine type IV metals - like 
> TDK MA-X and the venerable MA-XG, Maxell MX-S etc.  Serious media 
> by any measurement.  But this blew me away.  I looked up the specs 
> and set the rec levels accordingly to max out at the indicated 
> levels per the 1993 What Hi-Fi tape test guide for the type.  (Way 
> higher than ferrics and chromes).  The recording was done with  
> Dolby B as is your preference.  I could not believe the detail, 
> stereo seperation and sheer breathtaking power of the replay.  
> Even with mere Dolby B, the background is utterly quiet and the 
> dynamic range is easily the most potent I have ever heard.  
> Resolution is of the first order, and yet the occasional edginess 
> and sibilance that one gets (more with vocals) with, say Sony 
> Metal-ES is not in evid!
> ence.  I then recorded your first classical item, being 
> Beethoven's Symphony No 7.    I could choose either the London 
> Philharmonic with Barry Wordsworth or a DGG cutting with the 
> Vienna Philharmonic conducted by, I think, Carlos Kleiber.  I 
> chose the former, being I felt a slightly cleaner recording  and 
> artistically a bit more neutral.  Being a a C-60, I only got three 
> movements of the 39 minute work on the one side and the fouth 
> movement on the second side.  This leaves me with 23 minutes of 
> precious metal to work with.
> 
> The sound is clean, clean, clean.  I was so impressed by the 
> results of your recording on Sony SMM that I ended up 
> unintentionally listening from beginning to end, somehow bolted to 
> the chair.  I found I was hearing many things I had never heard 
> before.   The clarity level is simply outrageously good.  
> 
> *********************************
> Jon, speaking of other Sonys, I can't think why anyone wouldn't 
> enjoy the exuberance of UX, UX-Pro or UX-S.  They are good media, 
> particulalry the latter.  I also use ZX (a cheap and cheerful type 
> 1 that is a solid mimic of a TDK D - and no less durable).  
> 
> I'll see if I can find that reference to the quality and 
> durability of Sony's and point you in the right direction, link-wise.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marc




From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Thu Apr 29 03:11:52 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:11:52 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Prettiest Nak
Message-ID: <134.2e45568d.2dc1b058@aol.com>

  THE  NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL I IS THE BEST LOOKING  NAKAMICHI MADE ATLEAST IN MY 
OPNION THE OTHER TAPE DECK WHICH LOOK FANTASTIC IS THE  REVOX B 710 , B&0 ?!! 
FORGET IT!!!! THEY LOOK UGLY!! AND LOOK DATED WITH HORIZONTAL OPERATION.    
DRAGON IS ALSO PRETTY I HAVE THAT ONE TOO! :)


BEST REGARDS!
aLI
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From rolandpibb at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 29 03:12:20 2004
From: rolandpibb at yahoo.com (Roland Pibb)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:12:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Best looking deck
Message-ID: <20040429011220.10300.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com>

As for the best looking Nakamichi decks...

I would have to say the 682ZX is definately the nicest
looking rack deck.

The RX505 gets a nod for the biggest WOW! factor deck.
 I still remember the little rush I got the first time
I hit the reverse button on the demo unit in the shop!

The ZX-7 and CR-7 are definately cool looking decks,
as is the 482Z, and maybe it's just because I'm used
to looking at my own back yard, but I like the simple
elegance of the BX-2.



	
		
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Apr 29 04:25:11 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:25:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] "Sank"tified DRagon, Most pragmatic 3 head Nak
Message-ID: <3864-40906787-735@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

hi,before i jump in up to my neck and get  a DRAGON,what does it cost to
have a dragon done by Steven Sank? Does this include replacement of the
Dreadful Orange Caps?all total with shipping what would be the
approximate cost for a Orange cap replacement and a total tune-up? Also
asking votes for the al around single most trustworthy,repairable, and
best sounding Nak -price not an issue,only rquirement;later model 3 head
nak.

thank you very much,
gerald



From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Thu Apr 29 04:33:03 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:33:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Prettiest Nak
In-Reply-To: <22368574@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFGEFHCCAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

I have to give my vote to CR-7. The look of this deck says "I mean
business". Yet, when the lights are turned off, beautiful grean LED's dance
to the rythm of music.

The close runner up would be 680ZX.

Stan

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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:07 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Prettiest Nak


Hello all,
I'd have to give my vote to the LX3/5. I like the simplicity and symmetry.
It
really evokes the early eighties/late seventies ideas about what the future
would look like. I could see it on the set  of Kubrick's 2001.

Overall, though, I don't think any manufacturer can touch B&O.

happy listening
Fred
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From lalobo1966 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 29 16:11:49 2004
From: lalobo1966 at yahoo.com (La Lobo)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:11:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581
Message-ID: <20040429141149.79007.qmail@web41802.mail.yahoo.com>

I am new to the list and absolutely new to hi-fi stuff
and Nak. Wish me luck. :)

I am planning to buy 25 years old Nak 581. Has any of
you got this model? How does it sound? What are the
things I need to look for or check when I am buying?
Any peculiarities of this series?

It seemed to be in perfect condition except looks, as
in, color looks faded and all that. But that's not an
issue, suites me fine. It worked fine
till yesterday when I got it home for trial. I plugged
it and played it and sound was so warm and so real.
And I decided to buy it immediately. But the next
morning when I powered the deck, the
capstone was not rotating. I put the cassette and head
moved up but came down again sensing some problem. I
talked to a techie, who is a old hand
at Nak. It looked like belt problem, but saw that all
three belts are in the correct position. Am going to
take it for repairing. Seems like motor isn't working.


But don't know what to make of this? The price is
$200. What do you think of this?

If there is some URL where this info is available, let
me know, I will check out there.

Thanks in advance,
Lobo


	
		
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Thu Apr 29 01:34:02 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:34:02 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sony Metal SR, Maxell XLII-S, etc
Message-ID: <40903F6A.7020705@verizon.net>

Jon,

I've never used Sony tapes, but, I know that many hold the Sony Metal ES 
and Metal Master in high regard - I thought I'd ask about the SR.
Stephen has very good advice about Maxell tapes - the XLII in 
particular. I had talked with him about tapes a while back and he 
suggested the XLII will handle peaks in excess of +7 on a CR-7A. I 
tested that on my ZX-7; a deck I frequently have headroom problems with 
high bias TDK tapes. I also found the XLII to be able to handle those +7 
peaks with no high freq rolloff ! Outstanding !
I do, however, prefer the XLII-S over it in terms of detail and "pretty 
sound" (for lack of a better description). The XLII-S - and I've had the 
same reel hub problems you describe - is the best non-metal tape I've 
ever heard. Unfortunately, I've not had the pleasure of recording or 
listening to the BASF Chrome Maxima II - a tape that many say is the 
best high bias tape of all time. I've hunted for some, but, have never 
been able to find any. I am interested in trying the Emtec Chrome Super 
II and will in the near future.
Another high bias tape that I want more experience with is the Fuji 
DR-II. I've tried 2 older ones so far and were pleased with the results. 
This was the 2nd highest rated high bias tape in Consumer Reports' tape 
test 10+ years ago. They are also quite cheap ! American Recordable 
Media has them for $0.45 and $0.58 C60 and C90, respectively. 
Outpost.com has 5 of the C90's for $5.99 and tapeworld.com has both the 
C60's and C90's for $0.99. If they're that good of a tape; they're a 
steal for that price. My problem is I can't keep from buying metals !
My 2nd problem is that I have a tendency to ramble......

Mark


From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Apr 29 19:02:47 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:02:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cost of  Dragon modification/tuneup
Message-ID: <2972-40913537-508@storefull-3295.bay.webtv.net>

hi,can anyone tell me what i can expect to spend for a complete orage
cap replacement and a tuneup/alignment for Nak Dragon?

thank you very much,
gerald



From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Thu Apr 29 19:30:28 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:30:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
Message-ID: <200404291330_MC3-1-8113-4FFF@compuserve.com>

Hi Bleus,

I think the ma-ex is still in production in Japan. I bought some over a
year ago when I was visiting Japan. The guy at the shop explained that tdk
feels "obligated" to continue manufacturing metal tapes. Probably they
don't make much profit selling them. They retail around $3 (90min) each.

The cassette is obviously not as good as ma-xg, but performs better than
the regular ma.
I gave one ma-ex to Kannan for him to try during the SF nak-fest. Kannan,
what is your opinion about it?

Thanks,
_Fuad

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Greetings....

I posted an email on NakChatt a few months ago, about an obscure (at least
in the USA) Japanese edition of TDK metal type IV cassette manufactured
from the mid 1990's.  I'm wondering if any NakTalkers have thoughts or
factual specification info for the TDK MA-EX cassette.  Read below in my
earlier email for details that I've gathered recently.  Also, I'm slowly
doing a comparison spreadsheet of most high end metal type IV cassettes
from the '80s and '90s.  Email me if you have comments or want to
contribute to the analysis.  Someday soon, I will post on my Nak CyberSpot
website.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html


--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:

Just wondering if any of you NakChatters has performance info for the 
TDK MA-EX cassette, which was manufactured during the early to mid 
1990's.  I believe these cassettes were only sold retail in Japan 
(maybe other east asian market).

Only info I have is from a Japanese collectors website, no apparent 
reviews in magazines, et cetera.  Does anyone have comparable specs 
for the MA-EX?  What I do know is this:

MOL 315 Hz = +6.5 dB

MOL 10 KHz = 0 dB!!!

Dynamic Range = +65 dB

Bias Noise = -58.5 dB

I'm doing a comparison of several metal cassettes of the era (TDK MA-
R, MA-XG, MA-EX, Maxell MX, MX-S, Sony MetalMaster, Super Metal 
Master, Nakamichi ZX, PDM 1100, others.  Any info you all may be 
able to share is appreciated.

Regards,

K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus @charter.net

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:

I've been studying some of the oldie articles from Audio Magazine 
(you know, the Audio Magazine of the 1980s was the very best formated 
and contributors par excellence!!!), and one of the early '90s 
articles by Howard Robertson, determined that the TDK MA-XG (green 
top of case) has the finest specifications overall.  I've got a few 
of those, and the specs exceed the MA-R's capability!  I'm amazed at 
the very excellent repro ability of these cassettes.  I still tend to 
use Maxell MS-X for my favorites (I've got a few boses remaining), 
but now I'm experimenting with TDK products.  Most recently the TDK 
MA-EX (Japanses edition). Dabbling with some Sony products too.

So, my question to you, when you get high-end cassettes in Australia, 
where do you find them, and where is the originating manufacturing 
country?

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:

Another nice piece of reference info.....

http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm

When you want to have a visual of almost any classic cassette tape, in the
original wrapper!

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net
<




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Fri Apr 30 03:31:33 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:31:33 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Prettiest Nak
References: <22368574@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <001a01c42e53$00da8260$57299bca@aisha>


I'm with Fred on both counts here.  LX is the sleekest looking deck ever, I
wish the cover was aluminum instead of plastic.  700 has that same good
look, but inflated in size.  3rd place is for sloping silver 600.

However, I think Nak Soundspaces are as cool looking as B&O's.

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Lifton
To: naktalk at naks.com

Hello all,
I'd have to give my vote to the LX3/5. I like the simplicity and symmetry.
It
really evokes the early eighties/late seventies ideas about what the future
would look like. I could see it on the set  of Kubrick's 2001.

Overall, though, I don't think any manufacturer can touch B&O.

happy listening
Fred




From kjbleus at charter.net  Fri Apr 30 04:50:35 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:50:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette
Message-ID: <001001c42e5d$ea0fb270$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Mark, Jon, et al......

I have a few words about the Sony Super Metal Master cassette performance from personal experience.  To get into the mood, I just popped the SSMM into my 680ZX tonight, and playback on the Cream's  "Wheels of Fire" (from DCC Remastered series source).  Its magnificient, better than the direct digital source.  From that album, Cream's 'Passing the Time' (extended instrumental version) is especially impressive.  Well, some of you Nakkers know about me and Cream's music, I just cannot get enough of that improv instrumental jazz & blues music.  But by using a SSMM cassette to record this album, I decided to test to the limits of my Nak deck's capabilities.  Maxx + bias and the SSMM held it rock steady.  Its like pristine vinyl which yields warm and deep feeling into the music through and through.  Yet the clarity is stunning.  I certainly appreciate the excellence that Sony placed into the SSMM design.  The ceramic shell and internal transport mechanism construction is rock solid.  Definately, NakTalkers should strive to possess at least one SSMM cassette in their collection as a reference standard.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W



Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:08:07 +0200
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <jochi at qwest.net>

Hi Jon,

I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However, I don't have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection.  In terms of "high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from GoldStar (before they re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also have one or two BASF Reference Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any problems that might arise from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e. They are holding up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would expect from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day they were recorded.

I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  I do however remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both MX-S, and  XLII-S from a point of view of neutrality and faith to the source after calibrating carefully.  He also reported on the Metal Vertex as being the only cassette in his experience to have modulation noise that could be attributed to the tapes mechanism.

On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the best and most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are somewhat sweeping.  There are variations to be sure, but considering the width of product ranges, the span of years and the enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it doesn't seem  likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on either excellence or indifference.

I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal Master.  I have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not Maxell Metal Vertex or TDK MA-EX.

If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front rank of super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the references I have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an ability to soak up the most abusive levels with ease.
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Fri Apr 30 06:04:22 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:04:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
References: <20040429160753.95363.qmail@web40913.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c42e68$3862ebe0$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Mighty tough to locate these little gems.  Last winter, I bought three
ten-packs, at a reasonable cost of ~ $5.50 USD each.  My connection was
getting the MA-EX cassettes from a dealer in Nagano, Japan.  Source dried
up, I was told, so likely these are pretty much gone into the hands of the
chosen few.  Keep an eye on ebay.com, where sellers sometimes offer a single
cassette at a time, ocassionally getting as much as $20 a piece for the
MA-EX cassette.  Maybe worth that price, the MA-EX is an extra special
cassette to behold when used in a quality nakamichi cassette deck!

Regards,

Bleus


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wai-Sze Tam" <fast_algorithms at yahoo.com>
To: <kjbleus at charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)


>     I suppose we can no longer buy those TDK MA-EX
> cassettes. Right ?
>
> --- KJ Bleus <kjbleus at charter.net> wrote:
> > Greetings....
> >
> > I posted an email on NakChatt a few months ago,
> > about an obscure (at least in the USA) Japanese
> > edition of TDK metal type IV cassette manufactured
> > from the mid 1990's.  I'm wondering if any
> > NakTalkers have thoughts or factual specification
> > info for the TDK MA-EX cassette.  Read below in my
> > earlier email for details that I've gathered
> > recently.  Also, I'm slowly doing a comparison
> > spreadsheet of most high end metal type IV cassettes
> > from the '80s and '90s.  Email me if you have
> > comments or want to contribute to the analysis.
> > Someday soon, I will post on my Nak CyberSpot
> > website.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bleus de Nakker
> > Madison, Wisc USA
> > Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W
> >
> >
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html
> >
> >
> > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus"
> > <blueswapper at a...> wrote:
> >
> > Just wondering if any of you NakChatters has
> > performance info for the
> > TDK MA-EX cassette, which was manufactured during
> > the early to mid
> > 1990's.  I believe these cassettes were only sold
> > retail in Japan
> > (maybe other east asian market).
> >
> > Only info I have is from a Japanese collectors
> > website, no apparent
> > reviews in magazines, et cetera.  Does anyone have
> > comparable specs
> > for the MA-EX?  What I do know is this:
> >
> > MOL 315 Hz = +6.5 dB
> >
> > MOL 10 KHz = 0 dB!!!
> >
> > Dynamic Range = +65 dB
> >
> > Bias Noise = -58.5 dB
> >
> > I'm doing a comparison of several metal cassettes of
> > the era (TDK MA-
> > R, MA-XG, MA-EX, Maxell MX, MX-S, Sony MetalMaster,
> > Super Metal
> > Master, Nakamichi ZX, PDM 1100, others.  Any info
> > you all may be
> > able to share is appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > K.J. Bleus
> > Madison, Wisc USA
> > kjbleus @charter.net
> >
> > --- End forwarded message ---
> >
> > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus"
> > <blueswapper at a...> wrote:
> >
> > I've been studying some of the oldie articles from
> > Audio Magazine
> > (you know, the Audio Magazine of the 1980s was the
> > very best formated
> > and contributors par excellence!!!), and one of the
> > early '90s
> > articles by Howard Robertson, determined that the
> > TDK MA-XG (green
> > top of case) has the finest specifications overall.
> > I've got a few
> > of those, and the specs exceed the MA-R's
> > capability!  I'm amazed at
> > the very excellent repro ability of these cassettes.
> >  I still tend to
> > use Maxell MS-X for my favorites (I've got a few
> > boses remaining),
> > but now I'm experimenting with TDK products.  Most
> > recently the TDK
> > MA-EX (Japanses edition). Dabbling with some Sony
> > products too.
> >
> > So, my question to you, when you get high-end
> > cassettes in Australia,
> > where do you find them, and where is the originating
> > manufacturing
> > country?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bleus de Nakker
> > Madison, Wisc USA
> >
> > --- End forwarded message ---
> >
> > --- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus"
> > <blueswapper at a...> wrote:
> >
> > Another nice piece of reference info.....
> >
> >
> http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm
> >
> > When you want to have a visual of almost any classic
> > cassette tape, in the original wrapper!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bleus de Nakker
> > Madison, Wisc USA
> > kjbleus at charter.net
> >
> > --- End forwarded message --->
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Apr 30 10:00:02 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:00:02 +0200
Subject: [naktalk]  SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals
Message-ID: <s09223ab.025@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Alex,

>From time to time the issue of excessive head-wear from the use of type IV tapes arises.  Kannan is a professional metallurgist, so he may be able to give us some definitive input on the subject.  

I think that you may be right, on the matter of using metals on car units, walkmans and other portables.

However, the combination of extra fine metal particles (as all tapes including metals have evolved particle sizes have become smaller) and super-hard permalloy heads, the likelihood of additional wear from abrasion is acknowledged less and less.  Nakamichi (certainly the later models) had a triple lamination on the heads, as well as sporting the padlifter on dual capstan models which significantly reduces wear of any sort.

As far as the standards possible on the different types are concerned, that is an interesting matter.  Audiophiles, who were the main naysayers of the cassette medium when it was conceived (some never changed) begrudgingly admitted in the early eighties when metals became more prevalent, that metals used on good decks elevated the format to a level that merited serious consideration as a quality carrier.

The difference between good chromes and metals is not in the frequency responses (that's more a function of the deck) but in the flatness of that response at the frequency extremes and the considerably greater dynamic range possible with metals.  Metals will absorb more recording level before saturating than other types and the difference is quite considerable.  The tonal character is also more assertive overall.  The catch is that many decks cannot manage to magnetise metals sufficiently to take advantage of their characteristics.  Cheaper decks are almost always out of their depth with metals.  Nakamichis love them.

Good dynamic range with chromes is however possible, but this is mainly thanks to the fact that they are quiter as a rule than metals - take your tapes for instance.  The TDK SA-X delivers close to metal dynamics by virtue of its it low bias/modulation figures.  However, you should still be wary about pushing them too far over the 0dB recording level.

I encourage you to experiment with a metal if you can find one (and I agree, don't put it in the car) and I think your ears will have some surprises left for you!!

Good luck!!

Marc


>>> "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 04/30/04 07:05AM >>>
Shalom Folks!

I only want to know..."The Why"...loving Metal coated cassettes?
I really "HATE"...all metal cassettes! Can't be use it safely (Head ruining!!!), on my Radio/Cassette car unit. For my Training hears (Not a Golden Ones...!), type 2 Chrome formulated;  satisfied 100% me. As "Writing"...on my Dragon's specifications NOBODY can hear any difference among 21,000 or 22,000 Kilohertz.

Any cute opinion please?

ALEX! 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: Mhugo at sunint.co.za ; jochi at qwest.net 
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:50 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette


  Mark, Jon, et al......

  I have a few words about the Sony Super Metal Master cassette performance from personal experience.  To get into the mood, I just popped the SSMM into my 680ZX tonight, and playback on the Cream's  "Wheels of Fire" (from DCC Remastered series source).  Its magnificient, better than the direct digital source.  >From that album, Cream's 'Passing the Time' (extended instrumental version) is especially impressive.  Well, some of you Nakkers know about me and Cream's music, I just cannot get enough of that improv instrumental jazz & blues music.  But by using a SSMM cassette to record this album, I decided to test to the limits of my Nak deck's capabilities.  Maxx + bias and the SSMM held it rock steady.  Its like pristine vinyl which yields warm and deep feeling into the music through and through.  Yet the clarity is stunning.  I certainly appreciate the excellence that Sony placed into the SSMM design.  The ceramic shell and internal transport mechanism construction is rock solid.  Definately, NakTalkers should strive to possess at least one SSMM cassette in their collection as a reference standard.

  Regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA
  Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W



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From kjbleus at charter.net  Fri Apr 30 17:23:09 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:23:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Rer: Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
Message-ID: <003a01c42ec7$0b7b5c20$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Hello Fuad,

When you visited Japan, by chance did you observe any other cassettes still on the store shelves?  I'm particularly wondering about the Sony Metal Master and Super Metal Master cassettes.  Do you have any ideas on mail order businesses in Japan that we might try to contact?  Seems to me that if we want to procure these excellent cassettes, we'll need to establish a purchasing connection within Japan.  I wish my old friend who used to live in Nagano (mainland isle, northwest of Tokyo) still had connections (he now lives in New Zealand).  Five years ago, I received oodles of music goodies from him, like a complete set of Japanese edition remastered Pink Floyd and Cream albums.  I can affirm thjat these compact discs make ever so good sources for Nak recorded cassettes!!!!!

Kannan,

I'm curious regarding your impressions of the TDK MA-EX cassette.  Any particular thoughts comparing the EX to the XG, or SSMM?

Regards to all,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:30:28 -0400
From: compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>


Hi Bleus,

I think the ma-ex is still in production in Japan. I bought some over a
year ago when I was visiting Japan. The guy at the shop explained that tdk
feels "obligated" to continue manufacturing metal tapes. Probably they
don't make much profit selling them. They retail around $3 (90min) each.

The cassette is obviously not as good as ma-xg, but performs better than
the regular ma. I gave one ma-ex to Kannan for him to try during the SF nak-fest. Kannan,
what is your opinion about it?

Thanks,
Fuad


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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri Apr 30 20:13:39 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:13:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk]  SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals
Message-ID: <b9899c1b99010f.b99010fb9899c1@vsnl.net>

Hi Marc / Alex
The Permalloy ( even super hard ) cannot take log term abrasion as much as what Sendust can handle ( Akai Glass heads are the ultimate in tape head with ultimate resistance to wear but with other performance issues so no compettitin to both these )- one reason Sendust became popular in the eighties with metal tapes in to the market. But sendust heads are not great in distortion performance compared to Permalloys and Nakamichi took the innovative path of using Permelloy heads but with Pressure pad lifter - single most reason why Nak heads are working for a decade or more.
 I think tape formulations have been improving as well and I think modern metal tapes will not harm the heads any worse than Psuedo Chrome tapes- as the most of the current crops of Chrome tapes are actually without any Chrome dioxide in them!!! Also metal tape particles are finest to reduce their abrasiveness as well. You have to also look at quality of pressure pads themselves to abrasion of Heads.
I also found two head Naks like Bx1/125/2/150 CR1/2 DR3/Dr8 etc use sendust heads without pressure pad lifter have head wear problem akin to many other cassette decks. So I always recommend three head Naks or atleast older two head Naks with Dual capstan drive with pressure pad lifter for long term performance like 480/580 or LX3. 
>From what I perceived from large observation of Cassette Deck test reports- that metal tapes have much better 0dB IM distortion figures than Chrome tapes. Ofcourse they also have better frequency response charecteristics than Chrome. Couple them with Nak's wide gap record head - you can make virtually fantastic recording rivelling 15 IPS spool tape performance ( using Nak recording with Dolby C)But when price is more than two and half times regular chrome price - metal tapes are pricier for normal car use!
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
Date: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:00 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk]  SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals

> Hi Alex,
> 
> >From time to time the issue of excessive head-wear from the use 
> of type IV tapes arises.  Kannan is a professional metallurgist, 
> so he may be able to give us some definitive input on the subject. 
> 
> 
> I think that you may be right, on the matter of using metals on 
> car units, walkmans and other portables.
> 
> However, the combination of extra fine metal particles (as all 
> tapes including metals have evolved particle sizes have become 
> smaller) and super-hard permalloy heads, the likelihood of 
> additional wear from abrasion is acknowledged less and less.  
> Nakamichi (certainly the later models) had a triple lamination on 
> the heads, as well as sporting the padlifter on dual capstan 
> models which significantly reduces wear of any sort.
> 
> As far as the standards possible on the different types are 
> concerned, that is an interesting matter.  Audiophiles, who were 
> the main naysayers of the cassette medium when it was conceived 
> (some never changed) begrudgingly admitted in the early eighties 
> when metals became more prevalent, that metals used on good decks 
> elevated the format to a level that merited serious consideration 
> as a quality carrier.
> 
> The difference between good chromes and metals is not in the 
> frequency responses (that's more a function of the deck) but in 
> the flatness of that response at the frequency extremes and the 
> considerably greater dynamic range possible with metals.  Metals 
> will absorb more recording level before saturating than other 
> types and the difference is quite considerable.  The tonal 
> character is also more assertive overall.  The catch is that many 
> decks cannot manage to magnetise metals sufficiently to take 
> advantage of their characteristics.  Cheaper decks are almost 
> always out of their depth with metals.  Nakamichis love them.
> 
> Good dynamic range with chromes is however possible, but this is 
> mainly thanks to the fact that they are quiter as a rule than 
> metals - take your tapes for instance.  The TDK SA-X delivers 
> close to metal dynamics by virtue of its it low bias/modulation 
> figures.  However, you should still be wary about pushing them too 
> far over the 0dB recording level.
> 
> I encourage you to experiment with a metal if you can find one 
> (and I agree, don't put it in the car) and I think your ears will 
> have some surprises left for you!!
> 
> Good luck!!
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> >>> "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 04/30/04 07:05AM >>>
> Shalom Folks!
> 
> I only want to know..."The Why"...loving Metal coated cassettes?
> I really "HATE"...all metal cassettes! Can't be use it safely 
> (Head ruining!!!), on my Radio/Cassette car unit. For my Training 
> hears (Not a Golden Ones...!), type 2 Chrome formulated;  
> satisfied 100% me. As "Writing"...on my Dragon's specifications 
> NOBODY can hear any difference among 21,000 or 22,000 Kilohertz.
> 
> Any cute opinion please?
> 
> ALEX! 
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: KJ Bleus 
>  To: naktalk at naks.com 
>  Cc: Mhugo at sunint.co.za ; jochi at qwest.net 
>  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:50 AM
>  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette
> 
> 
>  Mark, Jon, et al......
> 
>  I have a few words about the Sony Super Metal Master cassette 
> performance from personal experience.  To get into the mood, I 
> just popped the SSMM into my 680ZX tonight, and playback on the 
> Cream's  "Wheels of Fire" (from DCC Remastered series source).  
> Its magnificient, better than the direct digital source.  >From 
> that album, Cream's 'Passing the Time' (extended instrumental 
> version) is especially impressive.  Well, some of you Nakkers know 
> about me and Cream's music, I just cannot get enough of that 
> improv instrumental jazz & blues music.  But by using a SSMM 
> cassette to record this album, I decided to test to the limits of 
> my Nak deck's capabilities.  Maxx + bias and the SSMM held it rock 
> steady.  Its like pristine vinyl which yields warm and deep 
> feeling into the music through and through.  Yet the clarity is 
> stunning.  I certainly appreciate the excellence that Sony placed 
> into the SSMM design.  The ceramic shell and internal transport 
> mechanism construction is rock s!
> olid.  Definately, NakTalkers should strive to possess at least 
> one SSMM cassette in their collection as a reference standard.
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Bleus de Nakker
>  Madison, Wisc USA




From kjbleus at charter.net  Fri Apr 30 22:02:55 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:02:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Analog Cassette vs Compact Disc......
Message-ID: <002401c42eee$20b5b550$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Another little article from the www that some of you may find interesting:

http://www.dolby.com/cassette/ssurvey.html

Regards to all,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 30 07:05:47 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:05:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette
References: <001001c42e5d$ea0fb270$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV42xdZjfNLn000075f2@hotmail.com>

Shalom Folks!

I only want to know..."The Why"...loving Metal coated cassettes?
I really "HATE"...all metal cassettes! Can't be use it safely (Head ruining!!!), on my Radio/Cassette car unit. For my Training hears (Not a Golden Ones...!), type 2 Chrome formulated;  satisfied 100% me. As "Writing"...on my Dragon's specifications NOBODY can hear any difference among 21,000 or 22,000 Kilohertz.

Any cute opinion please?

ALEX! 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Cc: Mhugo at sunint.co.za ; jochi at qwest.net 
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:50 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette


  Mark, Jon, et al......

  I have a few words about the Sony Super Metal Master cassette performance from personal experience.  To get into the mood, I just popped the SSMM into my 680ZX tonight, and playback on the Cream's  "Wheels of Fire" (from DCC Remastered series source).  Its magnificient, better than the direct digital source.  >From that album, Cream's 'Passing the Time' (extended instrumental version) is especially impressive.  Well, some of you Nakkers know about me and Cream's music, I just cannot get enough of that improv instrumental jazz & blues music.  But by using a SSMM cassette to record this album, I decided to test to the limits of my Nak deck's capabilities.  Maxx + bias and the SSMM held it rock steady.  Its like pristine vinyl which yields warm and deep feeling into the music through and through.  Yet the clarity is stunning.  I certainly appreciate the excellence that Sony placed into the SSMM design.  The ceramic shell and internal transport mechanism construction is rock solid.  Definately, NakTalkers should strive to possess at least one SSMM cassette in their collection as a reference standard.

  Regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA
  Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W



  Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:08:07 +0200
  From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
  To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <jochi at qwest.net>

  Hi Jon,

  I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However, I don't have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection.  In terms of "high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from GoldStar (before they re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also have one or two BASF Reference Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any problems that might arise from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e. They are holding up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would expect from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day they were recorded.

  I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  I do however remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both MX-S, and  XLII-S from a point of view of neutrality and faith to the source after calibrating carefully.  He also reported on the Metal Vertex as being the only cassette in his experience to have modulation noise that could be attributed to the tapes mechanism.

  On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the best and most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are somewhat sweeping.  There are variations to be sure, but considering the width of product ranges, the span of years and the enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it doesn't seem  likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on either excellence or indifference.

  I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal Master.  I have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not Maxell Metal Vertex or TDK MA-EX.

  If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front rank of super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the references I have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an ability to soak up the most abusive levels with ease.


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 30 12:17:22 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:17:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk]  SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals
References: <s09223ab.024@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV48ox7nyeKz0000791f@hotmail.com>

Shalom Mark!

Your knowledge really/heart fully surprise me!

As written on the "Multi-Language" Dragon's user manual, I can go till +5 dB
recording level (metal's till 8dB...!), I take ultimate care that only at
the "Highest" levels touch the +5dB, mainly remain among 3 > 4 dB level,
using my received TDX SA-X100 cassettes.

My lovely Mark...be 100% sure that these received cassettes satisfied me
very...very...much!
Second issue...Don't needed to spell money on more cassettes!

Again, thanks so much for ample my knowledge....Bravo!!! Mark.

Remain well!

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <alexcozac at hotmail.com>; <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: <jochi at qwest.net>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals


Hi Alex,

>From time to time the issue of excessive head-wear from the use of type IV
tapes arises.  Kannan is a professional metallurgist, so he may be able to
give us some definitive input on the subject.

I think that you may be right, on the matter of using metals on car units,
walkmans and other portables.

However, the combination of extra fine metal particles (as all tapes
including metals have evolved particle sizes have become smaller) and
super-hard permalloy heads, the likelihood of additional wear from abrasion
is acknowledged less and less.  Nakamichi (certainly the later models) had a
triple lamination on the heads, as well as sporting the padlifter on dual
capstan models which significantly reduces wear of any sort.

As far as the standards possible on the different types are concerned, that
is an interesting matter.  Audiophiles, who were the main naysayers of the
cassette medium when it was conceived (some never changed) begrudgingly
admitted in the early eighties when metals became more prevalent, that
metals used on good decks elevated the format to a level that merited
serious consideration as a quality carrier.

The difference between good chromes and metals is not in the frequency
responses (that's more a function of the deck) but in the flatness of that
response at the frequency extremes and the considerably greater dynamic
range possible with metals.  Metals will absorb more recording level before
saturating than other types and the difference is quite considerable.  The
tonal character is also more assertive overall.  The catch is that many
decks cannot manage to magnetise metals sufficiently to take advantage of
their characteristics.  Cheaper decks are almost always out of their depth
with metals.  Nakamichis love them.

Good dynamic range with chromes is however possible, but this is mainly
thanks to the fact that they are quiter as a rule than metals - take your
tapes for instance.  The TDK SA-X delivers close to metal dynamics by virtue
of its it low bias/modulation figures.  However, you should still be wary
about pushing them too far over the 0dB recording level.

I encourage you to experiment with a metal if you can find one (and I agree,
don't put it in the car) and I think your ears will have some surprises left
for you!!

Good luck!!

Marc


>>> "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 04/30/04 07:05AM >>>
Shalom Folks!

I only want to know..."The Why"...loving Metal coated cassettes?
I really "HATE"...all metal cassettes! Can't be use it safely (Head
ruining!!!), on my Radio/Cassette car unit. For my Training hears (Not a
Golden Ones...!), type 2 Chrome formulated;  satisfied 100% me. As
"Writing"...on my Dragon's specifications NOBODY can hear any difference
among 21,000 or 22,000 Kilohertz.

Any cute opinion please?

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: KJ Bleus
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Cc: Mhugo at sunint.co.za ; jochi at qwest.net
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:50 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette


  Mark, Jon, et al......

  I have a few words about the Sony Super Metal Master cassette performance
from personal experience.  To get into the mood, I just popped the SSMM into
my 680ZX tonight, and playback on the Cream's  "Wheels of Fire" (from DCC
Remastered series source).  Its magnificient, better than the direct digital
source.  >From that album, Cream's 'Passing the Time' (extended instrumental
version) is especially impressive.  Well, some of you Nakkers know about me
and Cream's music, I just cannot get enough of that improv instrumental jazz
& blues music.  But by using a SSMM cassette to record this album, I decided
to test to the limits of my Nak deck's capabilities.  Maxx + bias and the
SSMM held it rock steady.  Its like pristine vinyl which yields warm and
deep feeling into the music through and through.  Yet the clarity is
stunning.  I certainly appreciate the excellence that Sony placed into the
SSMM design.  The ceramic shell and internal transport mechanism
construction is rock solid.  Definately, NakTalkers should strive to possess
at least one SSMM cassette in their collection as a reference standard.

  Regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA
  Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W



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From mdunn at cantares.on.ca  Fri Apr 30 01:01:10 2004
From: mdunn at cantares.on.ca (Michael Dunn)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:01:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] "THATS" cassettes?????
In-Reply-To: <40828EEB.9090406@verizon.net>
References: <40828EEB.9090406@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <a05100305bcb739502627@[192.168.2.142]>

    I've come across some cassettes called "THATS" ---- metal, 
apparently connected to Maxell in some way.  Anyone know anything?

Michael




From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri Apr 30 02:15:32 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:15:32 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sony Metal SR, Maxell XLII-S, etc
Message-ID: <15d.33d89fc9.2dc2f4a4@aol.com>

I too like the Maxell XLll & S they sound very good across the board. Very 
nice highs and great bass/lows. I've also tried the FUJI DRll's and find they 
lack the highs you get with the others mentioned. I've just picked up the TDK 
MA's that were on sale and am having trouble getting use to the extreme highs 
I'm hearing. I've tried both dolby B and C and it appears to my ears that dolby 
B sounds best. 

Regards,
Anthony

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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri Apr 30 02:16:44 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:16:44 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Prettiest Nak
Message-ID: <10f.2f30d7fb.2dc2f4ec@aol.com>

I vote for the one sitting on my rack, a CR7...



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From mdunn at cantares.on.ca  Fri Apr 30 04:43:21 2004
From: mdunn at cantares.on.ca (Michael Dunn)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:43:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] "THATS" cassettes?????
Message-ID: <a05100308bcb76dbc7ce8@[192.168.2.142]>

    I've come across some cassettes called "THATS" ---- metal, 
apparently connected to Maxell in some way.  Anyone know anything?

Michael




From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Fri Apr 30 08:39:44 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:39:44 +1000
Subject: [naktalk]Blank cassettes
References: <s08e6202.017@mail.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <002a01c42e7d$ed444300$025186cb@yourns7nxr4r4g>

Hi Kent,

These are indeed the tapes you describe and appear to be beautifully made. I
am just about to give one go in my 700 ZXL.

Do you think Miles Davis' Bitches Brew will be demanding enough?

Regards, Rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kent Merideth" <khmerideth at anderson.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk]Blank cassettes


> This is only my personal opinion on those TDK tapes, but if those are
> the one's with shiny black shells, with large clear windows and clear
> openings over the two tape guide rollers, they are the best quality
> shells and tape they made, short of the MA-XG series.  Use those tapes
> for some really demanding music and I think you'll be quite favorably
> impressed.  Enjoy the Music!
>
> Kent
>
> >>> rastynes at iprimus.com.au 4/23/04 3:10:11 AM >>>
> Hi guys,
>
> I posted a list of new quality cassettes I was able to buy in Sydney a
> few weeks ago. I am interested to know what other Nakker's are stocking
> up on.
>
> I had a nice experience recently in my quest. At Len Wallis Audio (a
> large Sydney Hi-Fi store) I asked after some better tapes and was
> given(!) a couple of  TDK  SA-X 90's from the early 90's in a gold &
> white wrapper and a TDK MA-X 60 with Japanese wrapper from the late
> 80's.
>
> It goes to show its worth asking!
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Apr 30 17:50:16 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:50:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] tapes
Message-ID: <001301c42eca$d5701360$e2b94d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

hey someone is on a tape buying mission on ebay (not me),
a word of information-£22.50 charges were required on 10 tapes from usa,  from japan wasnt charged for some dat tapes
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From sarvasu108 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 30 19:37:04 2004
From: sarvasu108 at yahoo.com (Richard Durham)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:37:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 2 Questions about my 550
Message-ID: <20040430173704.40749.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone,

I just bought a 550 from someone in the UK (I'm in the
US) and I have two questions:

1. All functions appear normal (i.e. superb) except
for the fact that there is a rythmic mechanical click
coming from the cassette compartment when Play is
pushed, about 3 times per second without a cassette in
the compartment and about once per second with a
cassette in. I wonder whether this is something that I
might tackle, never having gone inside of a tape
machine before, or whether it's something that I
should send the unit to someone else to take care of?

2. I need an AC adapter/power supply. I wonder whether
simply one of those transformers you can get for
operating 12V appliances from house current would do,
since I do have the 12V power cord, or whether that
wouldn't be the highest-quality juice for it, or...? 

Any suggestions or comments?

Thanks very much,
Don



	
		
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 30 20:02:48 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:02:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
In-Reply-To: <008701c42d9a$d06b8f60$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <20040430180248.77909.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
Mr. Bleus,
 
If you go to this site:
http://www.tdk.com/support/recmedia/index.html#specs
 
and under specification select MA, you will see that the same spec. you quoted for MA-EX is duplicated for MA.
 
Does this mean the two types are identical? Perhaps not. But may be it means that they use the same formulation.
 
Regards,
Dariush
 
 

 

Just wondering if any of you NakChatters has performance info for the 
TDK MA-EX cassette, which was manufactured during the early to mid 
1990's.  I believe these cassettes were only sold retail in Japan 
(maybe other east asian market).
 
Only info I have is from a Japanese collectors website, no apparent 
reviews in magazines, et cetera.  Does anyone have comparable specs 
for the MA-EX?  What I do know is this:
 
MOL 315 Hz = +6.5 dB
 
MOL 10 KHz = 0 dB!!!
 
Dynamic Range = +65 dB
 
Bias Noise = -58.5 dB
 
I'm doing a comparison of several metal cassettes of the era (TDK MA-
R, MA-XG, MA-EX, Maxell MX, MX-S, Sony MetalMaster, Super Metal 
Master, Nakamichi ZX, PDM 1100, others.  Any info you all may be 
able to share is appreciated.
 
Regards,
 
K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus @charter.net

--- End forwarded message ---

--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:
 
I've been studying some of the oldie articles from Audio Magazine 
(you know, the Audio Magazine of the 1980s was the very best formated 
and contributors par excellence!!!), and one of the early '90s 
articles by Howard Robertson, determined that the TDK MA-XG (green 
top of case) has the finest specifications overall.  I've got a few 
of those, and the specs exceed the MA-R's capability!  I'm amazed at 
the very excellent repro ability of these cassettes.  I still tend to 
use Maxell MS-X for my favorites (I've got a few boses remaining), 
but now I'm experimenting with TDK products.  Most recently the TDK 
MA-EX (Japanses edition). Dabbling with some Sony products too.
 
So, my question to you, when you get high-end cassettes in Australia, 
where do you find them, and where is the originating manufacturing 
country?
 
Regards,
 
Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
 
--- End forwarded message ---
 
--- In NakChatt at yahoogroups.com, "MrBleus" <blueswapper at a...> wrote:
 
Another nice piece of reference info.....

http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm

When you want to have a visual of almost any classic cassette tape, in the original wrapper!

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
kjbleus at charter.net

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 30 21:27:00 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:27:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk]  SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals
References: <b9899c1b99010f.b99010fb9899c1@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV62fa98lnU800007c6b@hotmail.com>

Dear Kannan,

Fantastic....! I will print this issue of you. Always learning. I will check
if I can obtain latest fabricated metal cassettes here in Israel.

Thanks and continue informing to all of us, with your State of the Art
knowledge! Bravo!!!

regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals


> Hi Marc / Alex
> The Permalloy ( even super hard ) cannot take log term abrasion as much as
what Sendust can handle ( Akai Glass heads are the ultimate in tape head
with ultimate resistance to wear but with other performance issues so no
compettitin to both these )- one reason Sendust became popular in the
eighties with metal tapes in to the market. But sendust heads are not great
in distortion performance compared to Permalloys and Nakamichi took the
innovative path of using Permelloy heads but with Pressure pad lifter -
single most reason why Nak heads are working for a decade or more.
>  I think tape formulations have been improving as well and I think modern
metal tapes will not harm the heads any worse than Psuedo Chrome tapes- as
the most of the current crops of Chrome tapes are actually without any
Chrome dioxide in them!!! Also metal tape particles are finest to reduce
their abrasiveness as well. You have to also look at quality of pressure
pads themselves to abrasion of Heads.
> I also found two head Naks like Bx1/125/2/150 CR1/2 DR3/Dr8 etc use
sendust heads without pressure pad lifter have head wear problem akin to
many other cassette decks. So I always recommend three head Naks or atleast
older two head Naks with Dual capstan drive with pressure pad lifter for
long term performance like 480/580 or LX3.
> >From what I perceived from large observation of Cassette Deck test
reports- that metal tapes have much better 0dB IM distortion figures than
Chrome tapes. Ofcourse they also have better frequency response
charecteristics than Chrome. Couple them with Nak's wide gap record head -
you can make virtually fantastic recording rivelling 15 IPS spool tape
performance ( using Nak recording with Dolby C)But when price is more than
two and half times regular chrome price - metal tapes are pricier for normal
car use!
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> Date: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:00 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk]  SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals
>
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > >From time to time the issue of excessive head-wear from the use
> > of type IV tapes arises.  Kannan is a professional metallurgist,
> > so he may be able to give us some definitive input on the subject.
> >
> >
> > I think that you may be right, on the matter of using metals on
> > car units, walkmans and other portables.
> >
> > However, the combination of extra fine metal particles (as all
> > tapes including metals have evolved particle sizes have become
> > smaller) and super-hard permalloy heads, the likelihood of
> > additional wear from abrasion is acknowledged less and less.
> > Nakamichi (certainly the later models) had a triple lamination on
> > the heads, as well as sporting the padlifter on dual capstan
> > models which significantly reduces wear of any sort.
> >
> > As far as the standards possible on the different types are
> > concerned, that is an interesting matter.  Audiophiles, who were
> > the main naysayers of the cassette medium when it was conceived
> > (some never changed) begrudgingly admitted in the early eighties
> > when metals became more prevalent, that metals used on good decks
> > elevated the format to a level that merited serious consideration
> > as a quality carrier.
> >
> > The difference between good chromes and metals is not in the
> > frequency responses (that's more a function of the deck) but in
> > the flatness of that response at the frequency extremes and the
> > considerably greater dynamic range possible with metals.  Metals
> > will absorb more recording level before saturating than other
> > types and the difference is quite considerable.  The tonal
> > character is also more assertive overall.  The catch is that many
> > decks cannot manage to magnetise metals sufficiently to take
> > advantage of their characteristics.  Cheaper decks are almost
> > always out of their depth with metals.  Nakamichis love them.
> >
> > Good dynamic range with chromes is however possible, but this is
> > mainly thanks to the fact that they are quiter as a rule than
> > metals - take your tapes for instance.  The TDK SA-X delivers
> > close to metal dynamics by virtue of its it low bias/modulation
> > figures.  However, you should still be wary about pushing them too
> > far over the 0dB recording level.
> >
> > I encourage you to experiment with a metal if you can find one
> > (and I agree, don't put it in the car) and I think your ears will
> > have some surprises left for you!!
> >
> > Good luck!!
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > >>> "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 04/30/04 07:05AM >>>
> > Shalom Folks!
> >
> > I only want to know..."The Why"...loving Metal coated cassettes?
> > I really "HATE"...all metal cassettes! Can't be use it safely
> > (Head ruining!!!), on my Radio/Cassette car unit. For my Training
> > hears (Not a Golden Ones...!), type 2 Chrome formulated;
> > satisfied 100% me. As "Writing"...on my Dragon's specifications
> > NOBODY can hear any difference among 21,000 or 22,000 Kilohertz.
> >
> > Any cute opinion please?
> >
> > ALEX!
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: KJ Bleus
> >  To: naktalk at naks.com
> >  Cc: Mhugo at sunint.co.za ; jochi at qwest.net
> >  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:50 AM
> >  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette
> >
> >
> >  Mark, Jon, et al......
> >
> >  I have a few words about the Sony Super Metal Master cassette
> > performance from personal experience.  To get into the mood, I
> > just popped the SSMM into my 680ZX tonight, and playback on the
> > Cream's  "Wheels of Fire" (from DCC Remastered series source).
> > Its magnificient, better than the direct digital source.  >From
> > that album, Cream's 'Passing the Time' (extended instrumental
> > version) is especially impressive.  Well, some of you Nakkers know
> > about me and Cream's music, I just cannot get enough of that
> > improv instrumental jazz & blues music.  But by using a SSMM
> > cassette to record this album, I decided to test to the limits of
> > my Nak deck's capabilities.  Maxx + bias and the SSMM held it rock
> > steady.  Its like pristine vinyl which yields warm and deep
> > feeling into the music through and through.  Yet the clarity is
> > stunning.  I certainly appreciate the excellence that Sony placed
> > into the SSMM design.  The ceramic shell and internal transport
> > mechanism construction is rock s!
> > olid.  Definately, NakTalkers should strive to possess at least
> > one SSMM cassette in their collection as a reference standard.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> >  Bleus de Nakker
> >  Madison, Wisc USA
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Apr 30 06:45:26 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:45:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] pic files
Message-ID: <10338-4091D9E6-684@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

is it not possible to add a pic. to a e-mail addressed to Naktalk? id
like to show everyone  the Optonica 6905.

thank you very much,
gerald

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sat May  1 03:47:30 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:47:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV42xdZjfNLn000075f2@hotmail.com>
References: <001001c42e5d$ea0fb270$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
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Metal cassettes offer more than just extended high frequency
response. i.e., lower distortion and more headroom. They are
not any more abrasive than CrO2 cassettes and do not 'ruin'
heads.

-- Ron


Alex Cozac wrote:

> Shalom Folks!
> 
> I only want to know..."The Why"...loving Metal coated cassettes?
> I really "HATE"...all metal cassettes! Can't be use it safely (Head ruining!!!), on my Radio/Cassette car unit. For my Training hears (Not a Golden Ones...!), type 2 Chrome formulated;  satisfied 100% me. As "Writing"...on my Dragon's specifications NOBODY can hear any difference among 21,000 or 22,000 Kilohertz.
> 
> Any cute opinion please?
> 
> ALEX! 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: KJ Bleus 
>   To: naktalk at naks.com 
>   Cc: Mhugo at sunint.co.za ; jochi at qwest.net 
>   Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:50 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette
> 
> 
>   Mark, Jon, et al......
> 
>   I have a few words about the Sony Super Metal Master cassette performance from personal experience.  To get into the mood, I just popped the SSMM into my 680ZX tonight, and playback on the Cream's  "Wheels of Fire" (from DCC Remastered series source).  Its magnificient, better than the direct digital source.  >From that album, Cream's 'Passing the Time' (extended instrumental version) is especially impressive.  Well, some of you Nakkers know about me and Cream's music, I just cannot get enough of that improv instrumental jazz & blues music.  But by using a SSMM cassette to record this album, I decided to test to the limits of my Nak deck's capabilities.  Maxx + bias and the SSMM held it rock steady.  Its like pristine vinyl which yields warm and deep feeling into the music through and through.  Yet the clarity is stunning.  I certainly appreciate the excellence that Sony placed into the SSMM design.  The ceramic shell and internal transport mechanism construction is rock
 solid.  Definately, NakTalkers should strive to possess at least one SSMM cassette in their collection as a reference standard.
> 
>   Regards,
> 
>   Bleus de Nakker
>   Madison, Wisc USA
>   Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W
> 
> 
> 
>   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:08:07 +0200
>   From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
>   To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <jochi at qwest.net>
> 
>   Hi Jon,
> 
>   I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However, I don't have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection.  In terms of "high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from GoldStar (before they re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also have one or two BASF Reference Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any problems that might arise from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e. They are holding up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would expect from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day they were recorded.
> 
>   I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  I do however remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both MX-S, and  XLII-S from a point of view of neutrality and faith to the source after calibrating carefully.  He also reported on the Metal Vertex as being the only cassette in his experience to have modulation noise that could be attributed to the tapes mechanism.
> 
>   On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the best and most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are somewhat sweeping.  There are variations to be sure, but considering the width of product ranges, the span of years and the enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it doesn't seem  likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on either excellence or indifference.
> 
>   I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal Master.  I have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not Maxell Metal Vertex or TDK MA-EX.
> 
>   If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front rank of super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the references I have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an ability to soak up the most abusive levels with ease.





From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sat May  1 04:21:02 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:21:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] "THATS" cassettes?????
In-Reply-To: <a05100305bcb739502627@[192.168.2.142]>
References: <40828EEB.9090406@verizon.net>
	<a05100305bcb739502627@[192.168.2.142]>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040430221221.02888e68@pop.iquebec.com>

At 19:01 2004/04/29, you wrote:
>    I've come across some cassettes called "THATS" ---- metal, apparently 
> connected to Maxell in some way.  Anyone know anything?

I believe Thats is a major OEM manufacturer of tapes in Asia. Don't think 
there is a connection with Maxell but I may be totally wrong. I know for a 
fact that the first generation of Teac branded cassettes that were sold in 
North America in the early to mid eighties were made by Thats. I still have 
a bunch of C-46 Teac Metal cassettes from that era and they are fine tapes.




From ti at amb.org  Sat May  1 05:39:47 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:39:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] "THATS" cassettes?????
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040430221221.02888e68@pop.iquebec.com> from "Marc
	Denis" at Apr 30, 2004 10:21:02 PM
Message-ID: <200405010339.DAA21195@amb.org>

Marc Denis writes:
> At 19:01 2004/04/29, you wrote:
> >    I've come across some cassettes called "THATS" ---- metal, apparently 
> > connected to Maxell in some way.  Anyone know anything?
> 
> I believe Thats is a major OEM manufacturer of tapes in Asia. Don't think 
> there is a connection with Maxell but I may be totally wrong. I know for a 
> fact that the first generation of Teac branded cassettes that were sold in 
> North America in the early to mid eighties were made by Thats. I still have 
> a bunch of C-46 Teac Metal cassettes from that era and they are fine tapes.

If I am not mistaken, Thats tapes are manufactured by Taiyo Yuden,
which is known today for fairly good quality CD-R media.  I've heard
some favorable reviews of Thats tapes in the past, but this brand
was not sold in the US.

-Ti
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From ti at amb.org  Sat May  1 05:49:37 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:49:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] pic files
In-Reply-To: <10338-4091D9E6-684@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net> from "Gerald
	G." at Apr 29, 2004 11:45:26 PM
Message-ID: <200405010349.DAA21360@amb.org>

Gerald G. writes:
> is it not possible to add a pic. to a e-mail addressed to Naktalk? id
> like to show everyone  the Optonica 6905.

Well you just did attach a pic... and it worked fine.  However I'd
suggest putting the pic on a web site somewhere and post a link
to it the next time.  Much more bandwidth-friendly that way, both
for the naktalk server and for individual recipents.

BTW, that Optonica deck looks to be quite the beast.  I think it
wins the award of sheer size and number of dials and buttons.

-Ti
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat May  1 07:31:42 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 07:31:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk]  SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals
Message-ID: <s093526d.004@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Kannan,

Fantastic response, as expected!!  Thanks so much.

Best wishes,

Marc

>>> kannan_s at vsnl.com 04/30/04 08:13PM >>>
Hi Marc / Alex
The Permalloy ( even super hard ) cannot take log term abrasion as much as what Sendust can handle ( Akai Glass heads are the ultimate in tape head with ultimate resistance to wear but with other performance issues so no compettitin to both these )- one reason Sendust became popular in the eighties with metal tapes in to the market. But sendust heads are not great in distortion performance compared to Permalloys and Nakamichi took the innovative path of using Permelloy heads but with Pressure pad lifter - single most reason why Nak heads are working for a decade or more.
 I think tape formulations have been improving as well and I think modern metal tapes will not harm the heads any worse than Psuedo Chrome tapes- as the most of the current crops of Chrome tapes are actually without any Chrome dioxide in them!!! Also metal tape particles are finest to reduce their abrasiveness as well. You have to also look at quality of pressure pads themselves to abrasion of Heads.
I also found two head Naks like Bx1/125/2/150 CR1/2 DR3/Dr8 etc use sendust heads without pressure pad lifter have head wear problem akin to many other cassette decks. So I always recommend three head Naks or atleast older two head Naks with Dual capstan drive with pressure pad lifter for long term performance like 480/580 or LX3. 
>From what I perceived from large observation of Cassette Deck test reports- that metal tapes have much better 0dB IM distortion figures than Chrome tapes. Ofcourse they also have better frequency response charecteristics than Chrome. Couple them with Nak's wide gap record head - you can make virtually fantastic recording rivelling 15 IPS spool tape performance ( using Nak recording with Dolby C)But when price is more than two and half times regular chrome price - metal tapes are pricier for normal car use!
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
Date: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:00 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk]  SSMM Cassette; Head wear from metals

> Hi Alex,
> 
> >From time to time the issue of excessive head-wear from the use 
> of type IV tapes arises.  Kannan is a professional metallurgist, 
> so he may be able to give us some definitive input on the subject. 
> 
> 
> I think that you may be right, on the matter of using metals on 
> car units, walkmans and other portables.
> 
> However, the combination of extra fine metal particles (as all 
> tapes including metals have evolved particle sizes have become 
> smaller) and super-hard permalloy heads, the likelihood of 
> additional wear from abrasion is acknowledged less and less.  
> Nakamichi (certainly the later models) had a triple lamination on 
> the heads, as well as sporting the padlifter on dual capstan 
> models which significantly reduces wear of any sort.
> 
> As far as the standards possible on the different types are 
> concerned, that is an interesting matter.  Audiophiles, who were 
> the main naysayers of the cassette medium when it was conceived 
> (some never changed) begrudgingly admitted in the early eighties 
> when metals became more prevalent, that metals used on good decks 
> elevated the format to a level that merited serious consideration 
> as a quality carrier.
> 
> The difference between good chromes and metals is not in the 
> frequency responses (that's more a function of the deck) but in 
> the flatness of that response at the frequency extremes and the 
> considerably greater dynamic range possible with metals.  Metals 
> will absorb more recording level before saturating than other 
> types and the difference is quite considerable.  The tonal 
> character is also more assertive overall.  The catch is that many 
> decks cannot manage to magnetise metals sufficiently to take 
> advantage of their characteristics.  Cheaper decks are almost 
> always out of their depth with metals.  Nakamichis love them.
> 
> Good dynamic range with chromes is however possible, but this is 
> mainly thanks to the fact that they are quiter as a rule than 
> metals - take your tapes for instance.  The TDK SA-X delivers 
> close to metal dynamics by virtue of its it low bias/modulation 
> figures.  However, you should still be wary about pushing them too 
> far over the 0dB recording level.
> 
> I encourage you to experiment with a metal if you can find one 
> (and I agree, don't put it in the car) and I think your ears will 
> have some surprises left for you!!
> 
> Good luck!!
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> >>> "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 04/30/04 07:05AM >>>
> Shalom Folks!
> 
> I only want to know..."The Why"...loving Metal coated cassettes?
> I really "HATE"...all metal cassettes! Can't be use it safely 
> (Head ruining!!!), on my Radio/Cassette car unit. For my Training 
> hears (Not a Golden Ones...!), type 2 Chrome formulated;  
> satisfied 100% me. As "Writing"...on my Dragon's specifications 
> NOBODY can hear any difference among 21,000 or 22,000 Kilohertz.
> 
> Any cute opinion please?
> 
> ALEX! 
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: KJ Bleus 
>  To: naktalk at naks.com 
>  Cc: Mhugo at sunint.co.za ; jochi at qwest.net 
>  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:50 AM
>  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette
> 
> 
>  Mark, Jon, et al......
> 
>  I have a few words about the Sony Super Metal Master cassette 
> performance from personal experience.  To get into the mood, I 
> just popped the SSMM into my 680ZX tonight, and playback on the 
> Cream's  "Wheels of Fire" (from DCC Remastered series source).  
> Its magnificient, better than the direct digital source.  >From 
> that album, Cream's 'Passing the Time' (extended instrumental 
> version) is especially impressive.  Well, some of you Nakkers know 
> about me and Cream's music, I just cannot get enough of that 
> improv instrumental jazz & blues music.  But by using a SSMM 
> cassette to record this album, I decided to test to the limits of 
> my Nak deck's capabilities.  Maxx + bias and the SSMM held it rock 
> steady.  Its like pristine vinyl which yields warm and deep 
> feeling into the music through and through.  Yet the clarity is 
> stunning.  I certainly appreciate the excellence that Sony placed 
> into the SSMM design.  The ceramic shell and internal transport 
> mechanism construction is rock s!
> olid.  Definately, NakTalkers should strive to possess at least 
> one SSMM cassette in their collection as a reference standard.
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Bleus de Nakker
>  Madison, Wisc USA


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat May  1 04:23:08 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 04:23:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] pic files
References: <10338-4091D9E6-684@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV150QUUBPcZ000000bf@hotmail.com>

Really looks as an a very complicated pro unit?

----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:45 AM
Subject: [naktalk] pic files


> is it not possible to add a pic. to a e-mail addressed to Naktalk? id
> like to show everyone  the Optonica 6905.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat May  1 06:16:43 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 06:16:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette
References: <001001c42e5d$ea0fb270$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><BAY18-DAV42xdZjfNLn000075f2@hotmail.com>
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Shalom Ron,

You are speaking of the Lasted Metal ones! However, the older or first ones
were extremely abrasive. Such More...!, that I will hear from my received
TDK SA-X100 to my hears it's no relevant...and always but always any copied
source will be less that the Original one.. per example the Lp or Cd will
sound better that the same on a  recorded tape...sorry always a copy; loose
something!

Cheers.

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette


>
> Metal cassettes offer more than just extended high frequency
> response. i.e., lower distortion and more headroom. They are
> not any more abrasive than CrO2 cassettes and do not 'ruin'
> heads.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> Alex Cozac wrote:
>
> > Shalom Folks!
> >
> > I only want to know..."The Why"...loving Metal coated cassettes?
> > I really "HATE"...all metal cassettes! Can't be use it safely (Head
ruining!!!), on my Radio/Cassette car unit. For my Training hears (Not a
Golden Ones...!), type 2 Chrome formulated;  satisfied 100% me. As
"Writing"...on my Dragon's specifications NOBODY can hear any difference
among 21,000 or 22,000 Kilohertz.
> >
> > Any cute opinion please?
> >
> > ALEX!
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: KJ Bleus
> >   To: naktalk at naks.com
> >   Cc: Mhugo at sunint.co.za ; jochi at qwest.net
> >   Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:50 AM
> >   Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impressions of SSMM Cassette
> >
> >
> >   Mark, Jon, et al......
> >
> >   I have a few words about the Sony Super Metal Master cassette
performance from personal experience.  To get into the mood, I just popped
the SSMM into my 680ZX tonight, and playback on the Cream's  "Wheels of
Fire" (from DCC Remastered series source).  Its magnificient, better than
the direct digital source.  >From that album, Cream's 'Passing the Time'
(extended instrumental version) is especially impressive.  Well, some of you
Nakkers know about me and Cream's music, I just cannot get enough of that
improv instrumental jazz & blues music.  But by using a SSMM cassette to
record this album, I decided to test to the limits of my Nak deck's
capabilities.  Maxx + bias and the SSMM held it rock steady.  Its like
pristine vinyl which yields warm and deep feeling into the music through and
through.  Yet the clarity is stunning.  I certainly appreciate the
excellence that Sony placed into the SSMM design.  The ceramic shell and
internal transport mechanism construction is rock
>  solid.  Definately, NakTalkers should strive to possess at least one SSMM
cassette in their collection as a reference standard.
> >
> >   Regards,
> >
> >   Bleus de Nakker
> >   Madison, Wisc USA
> >   Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W
> >
> >
> >
> >   Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:08:07 +0200
> >   From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> >   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
> >   To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <jochi at qwest.net>
> >
> >   Hi Jon,
> >
> >   I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However, I
don't have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection.  In terms
of "high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from GoldStar (before they
re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also
have one or two BASF Reference Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any
problems that might arise from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e.
They are holding up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would
expect from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day they
were recorded.
> >
> >   I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  I do
however remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both MX-S, and
XLII-S from a point of view of neutrality and faith to the source after
calibrating carefully.  He also reported on the Metal Vertex as being the
only cassette in his experience to have modulation noise that could be
attributed to the tapes mechanism.
> >
> >   On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the
shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the best and
most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are somewhat sweeping.  There
are variations to be sure, but considering the width of product ranges, the
span of years and the enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it
doesn't seem  likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on
either excellence or indifference.
> >
> >   I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal Master.
I have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not Maxell Metal Vertex or
TDK MA-EX.
> >
> >   If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front rank of
super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the references I
have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an ability to soak up the most
abusive levels with ease.
>
>
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From rastynes at iprimus.com.au  Sat May  1 06:57:51 2004
From: rastynes at iprimus.com.au (Robert Stynes)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 14:57:51 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] pic files
References: <10338-4091D9E6-684@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <007d01c42f38$dc2da730$596232d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>

Hi Gerald,

My goodness, that Optonica 6905 is a very impressive unit! Do you know what
it cost new? Where were they sold? Amazing....

Regards, Rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: [naktalk] pic files


> is it not possible to add a pic. to a e-mail addressed to Naktalk? id
> like to show everyone  the Optonica 6905.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
>


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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Sat May  1 07:43:16 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 01:43:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
Message-ID: <200405010143_MC3-1-8123-2A70@compuserve.com>

Hi Bleus,

Last time visited Japan I believe tdk ma-ex was the ONLY metal tape
available. There were sony cd-ix I and II in various packages and lengths
(from 10min to150min). Fuji tapes sell as Axia, which came in funky colors
and packages. Maxell was also available in normal and chrome types only. 

In Tokyo there is a district called Akihabara where all the electronics
shops are located. Here you can see the latest products and all models
available on the market. In my first visit in late 80's, bigger shops had
show-rooms dedicated to cassette-decks only! That was when I bought my A&D
gx-z9000 (a nicer looking akai gx-8) with dbx. Naks were too expensive for
my budget. 

When I compare my last visit with my first one, I really didn't see any
good quality stereo equipment I would like to buy. Of course the $5,000+
high end components are there, but the quality mid-price components are all
gone. There are very few of them and many not made in Japan anymore. The
dvd's, flat displays, tiny mp3 players, digital cameras and cell phones are
dominating the market.

On e-bay there is a Japanese guy who sells blank cassettes direct from
Japan. I bought some FeCr tapes from him some time ago. I actually still
have couple friends there, please contact me off-list if you want me to get
more info.

Regards,
_Fuad


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:23:09 -0500
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Hello Fuad,

When you visited Japan, by chance did you observe any other cassettes still
on the store shelves?  I'm particularly wondering about the Sony Metal
Master and Super Metal Master cassettes.  Do you have any ideas on mail
order businesses in Japan that we might try to contact?  Seems to me that
if we want to procure these excellent cassettes, we'll need to establish a
purchasing connection within Japan.  I wish my old friend who used to live
in Nagano (mainland isle, northwest of Tokyo) still had connections (he now
lives in New Zealand).  Five years ago, I received oodles of music goodies
from him, like a complete set of Japanese edition remastered Pink Floyd and
Cream albums.  I can affirm thjat these compact discs make ever so good
sources for Nak recorded cassettes!!!!!

Kannan,

I'm curious regarding your impressions of the TDK MA-EX cassette.  Any
particular thoughts comparing the EX to the XG, or SSMM?

Regards to all,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:30:28 -0400
From: compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>


Hi Bleus,

I think the ma-ex is still in production in Japan. I bought some over a
year ago when I was visiting Japan. The guy at the shop explained that tdk
feels "obligated" to continue manufacturing metal tapes. Probably they
don't make much profit selling them. They retail around $3 (90min) each.

The cassette is obviously not as good as ma-xg, but performs better than
the regular ma. I gave one ma-ex to Kannan for him to try during the SF
nak-fest. Kannan,
what is your opinion about it?

Thanks,
Fuad


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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat May  1 23:33:55 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:33:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] pic files - Optionica ...
In-Reply-To: <007d01c42f38$dc2da730$596232d2@yourns7nxr4r4g>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEGCCCAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Gerald - what are the features on this unit? Are they geared to getting the
best sound experience (level, bias, eq with tone controls, azymuth, etc.),
or are they usabiliy features as weekly/monthly timer, tape scan,
programming tracks, etc. What are the specs?

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Robert Stynes
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:58 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] pic files


Hi Gerald,

My goodness, that Optonica 6905 is a very impressive unit! Do you know what
it cost new? Where were they sold? Amazing....

Regards, Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: [naktalk] pic files


> is it not possible to add a pic. to a e-mail addressed to Naktalk? id
> like to show everyone  the Optonica 6905.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun May  2 02:02:37 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 19:02:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] naks and headphones
Message-ID: <26779-40943A9D-493@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

 Yours truly very fortunate to have found a vintage set of toshiba
"cross field 2 way stereo phones" at the local thrift store today for
2.00.They sound just great through my boombox-wondering how nice they
will be through the 700 tri-tracer!Just a little anti-bacterial soap,and
they look like new! I/4 inch stereo jack-and mini jack adaptor
included-it seems Reagans "trickle down economics" is working for guys
like me!-im a republican now!ha ha..

thank you very much,
gerald



From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon May  3 01:04:27 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 00:04:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] naks and headphones
In-Reply-To: <26779-40943A9D-493@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c43099$d13111c0$92de883e@oemcomputer>

Republican/Tory Trickle Down economics theory?  Hmm... I always thought it
was sh#t that rolled down hill !   Guys at the bottom of the hill live in it
and those at the top keep smelling of the roses whose roots grows so well in
it!!    :o)

But seriously ... nice prize there, Gerald!  You seem to have the thrift
shopping down to a fine art!

Cheers!!

Gra'






> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 02 May 2004 01:03
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] naks and headphones
>
>
>  Yours truly very fortunate to have found a vintage set of toshiba
> "cross field 2 way stereo phones" at the local thrift store today for
> 2.00.They sound just great through my boombox-wondering how nice they
> will be through the 700 tri-tracer!Just a little anti-bacterial soap,and
> they look like new! I/4 inch stereo jack-and mini jack adaptor
> included-it seems Reagans "trickle down economics" is working for guys
> like me!-im a republican now!ha ha..
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
> =
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon May  3 05:32:01 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:32:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] optonica/headphones
Message-ID: <3672-4095BD31-189@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>

i dont know - i suspect you may be right about the optonica being an
office machine primarily,although at 1800,i bet its specs were pretty
impressive too,Also,i would like to mention to graham and others
interested to check out the headphone amp by ASL.its an "MG OTL" tube
unit and the item# is( E-Bay) 3094625692-Can you visualize this unit
with a nice pair of headphones/BTW,my Rx-303 "trickled down to me mint
for 20.00 at the salvation army,and my 700 ri-tracer for 9.99 in
excellent shape!still i would give it all away right now to be the
trickler and not the tricklee,of course,a lot of things are donated
cause people have died,in which case i am glad to be just poor and not
dead X-l=

thank you very much,
gerald



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue May  4 01:22:50 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:22:50 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] This is a test please ignore!
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Tom Siomopoulos


From jochi at qwest.net  Tue May  4 08:10:10 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:10:10 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
References: <s090ea7d.047@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <001901c4319e$74fdcb40$0400000a@uswest.net>

Hello Mark,

I have been out of town.  But I did want to respond to your thoughtful
E-mail.  Call it indecisiveness, but I have enjoyed most of the marquee
brand tapes at different times for different reasons, including Type I, Type
II and Type IV.  I have used Nakamichi 3-head decks and Studer A-710 3-head
decks.  My method of judging relies on my ears, not meters or mechanical
devices, so all opinions are just that.
I am just so grateful to have analog recordings to play for me and to share
with others.  We analog tape devotees are a vanishing breed.

I agree with you about making sweeping statements.  Different tapes do have
different personalities and one must get to know each one.

My CR-7 seems to be calibrating the Sony SR-100s quite consistently now (see
my E-mail to Kannan).  And I do like the Sony tape so life is good.

Regards,
Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM


> Hi Jon,
>
> I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However, I don't
have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection.  In terms of
"high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from GoldStar (before they
re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also
have one or two BASF Reference Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any
problems that might arise from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e.
They are holding up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would
expect from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day they
were recorded.
>
> I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  I do however
remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both MX-S, and  XLII-S
from a point of view of neutrality and faith to the source after calibrating
carefully.  He also reported on the Metal Vertex as being the only cassette
in his experience to have modulation noise that could be attributed to the
tapes mechanism.
>
> On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the
shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the best and
most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are somewhat sweeping.  There
are variations to be sure, but considering the width of product ranges, the
span of years and the enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it
doesn't seem  likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on
either excellence or indifference.
>
> I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal Master.  I
have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not Maxell Metal Vertex or
TDK MA-EX.
>
> If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front rank of
super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the references I
have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an ability to soak up the most
abusive levels with ease.  I append a couple of impressions on this tape
that I inluded in an e-mail yesterday to my ex-wife for whom I did the
recording.
>
> *****************************
> I tested it first on the Nakamichi 682ZX with  two tracks, both by
Vangelis - th original full length "Alpha" and the "Hymne" also from the
Portraits album.   As you know I have used some pretty special tapes in the
past, talking genuine type IV metals - like TDK MA-X and the venerable
MA-XG, Maxell MX-S etc.  Serious media by any measurement.  But this blew me
away.  I looked up the specs and set the rec levels accordingly to max out
at the indicated levels per the 1993 What Hi-Fi tape test guide for the
type.  (Way higher than ferrics and chromes).  The recording was done with
Dolby B as is your preference.  I could not believe the detail, stereo
seperation and sheer breathtaking power of the replay.  Even with mere Dolby
B, the background is utterly quiet and the dynamic range is easily the most
potent I have ever heard.  Resolution is of the first order, and yet the
occasional edginess and sibilance that one gets (more with vocals) with, say
Sony Metal-ES is not in evid!
>  ence.  I then recorded your first classical item, being Beethoven's
Symphony No 7.    I could choose either the London Philharmonic with Barry
Wordsworth or a DGG cutting with the Vienna Philharmonic conducted by, I
think, Carlos Kleiber.  I chose the former, being I felt a slightly cleaner
recording  and artistically a bit more neutral.  Being a a C-60, I only got
three movements of the 39 minute work on the one side and the fouth movement
on the second side.  This leaves me with 23 minutes of precious metal to
work with.
>
> The sound is clean, clean, clean.  I was so impressed by the results of
your recording on Sony SMM that I ended up unintentionally listening from
beginning to end, somehow bolted to the chair.  I found I was hearing many
things I had never heard before.   The clarity level is simply outrageously
good.
>
> *********************************
> Jon, speaking of other Sonys, I can't think why anyone wouldn't enjoy the
exuberance of UX, UX-Pro or UX-S.  They are good media, particulalry the
latter.  I also use ZX (a cheap and cheerful type 1 that is a solid mimic of
a TDK D - and no less durable).
>
> I'll see if I can find that reference to the quality and durability of
Sony's and point you in the right direction, link-wise.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> >>> jochi at qwest.net 04/28/04 02:15AM >>>
> Fuad and Mark,
>
> I am the person that posted a short while back, concerned as to why my
CR-7
> would not calibrate the Sony SR-100 tapes.  By the way, I had purchased
the
> tapes at Stereo Advantage which is the same as Sam Goody as far as I can
> tell.
>
> Anyway, I bought a bunch of those tapes.  Some have calibrated and some
not.
> I wondered why the inconsistency since I had just had my CR-7 overhauled
by
> Stephen Sank.  So I asked Stephen who said he holds Sony tapes generally
in
> very low regard, both sonically and durability-wise.  He thinks even
> mid-grade Maxells are superior to Sony's high grades.  Personally, I think
> the Sony SR-100 sound fine, but I am concerned about the quality control
> because of the calibration issue.  From my own experience with the Maxell
> XLII-S tapes fabricated in England, the spool mechanism is not as smooth
as
> it could be, but the tape sounds fine.  I am kind of like Mark Hugo in
> believing that each tape has its own personality and you have to figure
out
> each tape.  I also like the Emtec Chrome Extras for being smooth, but the
> ones I have are very slightly hissy in terms of background.  But the Emtec
> Reference Maxima IIs are the best---smooth, quiet, great dynamics,
fabulous
> tape but very hard to find.
>
> Jon
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 12:49 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape
>
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Couple months ago someone posted that his cr7 was not able to
> > auto-calibrate using this tape. I found a metal SR at home and my cr7
was
> > actually able to auto-calibrate.
> >
> > But I had trouble with this tape years ago with my Akai deck. The tape
> > inside maybe OK, but the plastic-shell is cheap quality and the Akai
used
> > to "eat" it!
> > I would not recommend this type. Since it is 100 minutes, it is more
> likely
> > to have problems (mine was 90min)..
> >
> > _Fuad
> >
> >
> > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
> > >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > What's everyone's experience with the Sony Metal SR tapes ? Is the C100
> > length too thin ?
> >
> > Mark
> > <
> >
> >
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From jochi at qwest.net  Tue May  4 08:19:26 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:19:26 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
References: <b7b41fdb7b2dfb.b7b2dfbb7b41fd@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c4319f$c0988a80$0400000a@uswest.net>

Kannan,

Thank you for your generous offer to examine my Sony SR-100 tapes when they
do not calibrate.  However, something unexpected has happened.

When I tried to calibrate my first Sony SR-100, the CR-7 would not calibrate
the tape.  So I tried another one.  Same thing happened.  A third produced
the same result yet again.

I decided to try a TDK MA which calibrated fine.  One Maxell MX-S calibrated
and one did not.  Since the TDK MA calibrated first time, I have used TDK
MAs when recording with a metal tape.

But I just tried calibrating a Sony SR-100 again.  It worked fine.  I tried
NINE more SR-100s and they all calibrated.  So I am now wondering if there
was a sticky something or other that is no longer sticky.  I do not know
what other explanation there might be, but the Sony SR-100s seem to all be
calibrating now!!!

But thank you again for your kind offer, Kannan.

Regards,
Jon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM


> My experience with Sony metal SR tape is equally good using my 582 in
Inida. Ifound Sony metal tapes nowhere near even average while their CD base
or name like that was not great tape ( even TDK tapes called CDit - or the
vice versa? - or equally average in record quality even with bias level
calibration)
> I actually try to use on calibrating type of machines say dragon/ CR7 or
582 where you can tweak the bias using in built 15 Khz tone. Even without
any tweaking I got good results with Sony metal SR tape. I do not mind
examining the tape which gave problem - If Jon could send me the tape, I can
try finding out why it is not calibrationg - what you can do is try
calibrating with Cr 7 and when it fails send me the tape as it is - also let
me know which action fails ( like Azimuth/ level or bias - CR 7 will show
these phases of calibration and once the first step - azimuth aligment is
acceptable it goes to next phase of calibration namely level setting and
finally bias setting. Once first cycle is OK, it goes through this second
time to get it to more accurate calibration, Jon you can contact me off list
incase interested?
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:43 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
>
> > Hi Jon,
> >
> > I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However,
> > I don't have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection.
> > In terms of "high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from
> > GoldStar (before they re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell
> > (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also have one or two BASF Reference
> > Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any problems that might arise
> > from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e. They are holding
> > up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would expect
> > from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day
> > they were recorded.
> >
> > I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  I do
> > however remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both
> > MX-S, and  XLII-S from a point of view of neutrality and faith to
> > the source after calibrating carefully.  He also reported on the
> > Metal Vertex as being the only cassette in his experience to have
> > modulation noise that could be attributed to the tapes mechanism.
> >
> > On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the
> > shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the
> > best and most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are
> > somewhat sweeping.  There are variations to be sure, but
> > considering the width of product ranges, the span of years and the
> > enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it doesn't seem
> > likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on either
> > excellence or indifference.
> >
> > I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal
> > Master.  I have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not
> > Maxell Metal Vertex or TDK MA-EX.
> >
> > If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front rank of
> > super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the
> > references I have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an
> > ability to soak up the most abusive levels with ease.  I append a
> > couple of impressions on this tape that I inluded in an e-mail
> > yesterday to my ex-wife for whom I did the recording.
> >
> > *****************************
> > I tested it first on the Nakamichi 682ZX with  two tracks, both by
> > Vangelis - th original full length "Alpha" and the "Hymne" also
> > from the Portraits album.   As you know I have used some pretty
> > special tapes in the past, talking genuine type IV metals - like
> > TDK MA-X and the venerable MA-XG, Maxell MX-S etc.  Serious media
> > by any measurement.  But this blew me away.  I looked up the specs
> > and set the rec levels accordingly to max out at the indicated
> > levels per the 1993 What Hi-Fi tape test guide for the type.  (Way
> > higher than ferrics and chromes).  The recording was done with
> > Dolby B as is your preference.  I could not believe the detail,
> > stereo seperation and sheer breathtaking power of the replay.
> > Even with mere Dolby B, the background is utterly quiet and the
> > dynamic range is easily the most potent I have ever heard.
> > Resolution is of the first order, and yet the occasional edginess
> > and sibilance that one gets (more with vocals) with, say Sony
> > Metal-ES is not in evid!
> > ence.  I then recorded your first classical item, being
> > Beethoven's Symphony No 7.    I could choose either the London
> > Philharmonic with Barry Wordsworth or a DGG cutting with the
> > Vienna Philharmonic conducted by, I think, Carlos Kleiber.  I
> > chose the former, being I felt a slightly cleaner recording  and
> > artistically a bit more neutral.  Being a a C-60, I only got three
> > movements of the 39 minute work on the one side and the fouth
> > movement on the second side.  This leaves me with 23 minutes of
> > precious metal to work with.
> >
> > The sound is clean, clean, clean.  I was so impressed by the
> > results of your recording on Sony SMM that I ended up
> > unintentionally listening from beginning to end, somehow bolted to
> > the chair.  I found I was hearing many things I had never heard
> > before.   The clarity level is simply outrageously good.
> >
> > *********************************
> > Jon, speaking of other Sonys, I can't think why anyone wouldn't
> > enjoy the exuberance of UX, UX-Pro or UX-S.  They are good media,
> > particulalry the latter.  I also use ZX (a cheap and cheerful type
> > 1 that is a solid mimic of a TDK D - and no less durable).
> >
> > I'll see if I can find that reference to the quality and
> > durability of Sony's and point you in the right direction, link-wise.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
>
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From mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com  Tue May  4 08:32:00 2004
From: mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com (Mikhail Zaydman)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:32:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Blank Cassette Tape (TDK MA-EX)
Message-ID: <20040504063200.93378.qmail@web80706.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Mr. Bleus,

 

I am willing to part with the TDK MA-EX tape for comparison with other high grade metal tapes: TDK MA-XG, Maxell MX-S, Sony SMM, etc.

Please email me your mailing address and I'll ship it to you on Saturday.

I have received the TDK MA-EX tapes almost a year ago from Japan. It was almost impossible to locate them, but it was completely impossible to ship them here directly. So, the tapes were shipped to my co-worker's friend in another country who finally shipped them here. The price was $5.50 per tape (shipping not included).

Before I got the TDK MA-EX tapes, I almost always used Maxell MX-S, sometimes XLII-S.

Very rare for very important recordings I still use MA-XG. After a few recordings MA-EX became my favorite tape for almost any occasion. 

BTW, if anybody from NakTalk forum is interested, I am running the auctions on eBay for a box of TDK MA-EX 90 min and 3 boxes of BASF Reference II Master 90 min tapes. These tapes (MA-EX) are very rare and I am not going to sell many of them.

 

Best regards,

Mikhail

 

mzaydman at ziplip.com

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue May  4 16:50:44 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 07:50:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
Message-ID: <be41781be45b21.be45b21be41781@vsnl.net>

Hi Jon
Now I remember having similar incidence with my CR 7 - ( In india about two years back). You have to clean your head with preferably MEK solution as some tape that you palyed earlier had deposited oxide layer on top of either play head or record head. Also I would suggest cleaning the pinch rollars as well inacse of this problem. So try this step next time and you will find the problem vanish!
thanks for your info
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>
Date: Monday, May 3, 2004 11:19 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM

> Kannan,
> 
> Thank you for your generous offer to examine my Sony SR-100 tapes 
> when they
> do not calibrate.  However, something unexpected has happened.
> 
> When I tried to calibrate my first Sony SR-100, the CR-7 would not 
> calibratethe tape.  So I tried another one.  Same thing happened.  
> A third produced
> the same result yet again.
> 
> I decided to try a TDK MA which calibrated fine.  One Maxell MX-S 
> calibratedand one did not.  Since the TDK MA calibrated first 
> time, I have used TDK
> MAs when recording with a metal tape.
> 
> But I just tried calibrating a Sony SR-100 again.  It worked fine. 
> I tried
> NINE more SR-100s and they all calibrated.  So I am now wondering 
> if there
> was a sticky something or other that is no longer sticky.  I do 
> not know
> what other explanation there might be, but the Sony SR-100s seem 
> to all be
> calibrating now!!!
> 
> But thank you again for your kind offer, Kannan.
> 
> Regards,
> Jon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
> 
> 
> > My experience with Sony metal SR tape is equally good using my 
> 582 in
> Inida. Ifound Sony metal tapes nowhere near even average while 
> their CD base
> or name like that was not great tape ( even TDK tapes called CDit -
> or the
> vice versa? - or equally average in record quality even with bias 
> levelcalibration)
> > I actually try to use on calibrating type of machines say 
> dragon/ CR7 or
> 582 where you can tweak the bias using in built 15 Khz tone. Even 
> withoutany tweaking I got good results with Sony metal SR tape. I 
> do not mind
> examining the tape which gave problem - If Jon could send me the 
> tape, I can
> try finding out why it is not calibrationg - what you can do is try
> calibrating with Cr 7 and when it fails send me the tape as it is -
> also let
> me know which action fails ( like Azimuth/ level or bias - CR 7 
> will show
> these phases of calibration and once the first step - azimuth 
> aligment is
> acceptable it goes to next phase of calibration namely level 
> setting and
> finally bias setting. Once first cycle is OK, it goes through this 
> secondtime to get it to more accurate calibration, Jon you can 
> contact me off list
> incase interested?
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> > Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:43 am
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal SR Tape: Impressions of SSMM
> >
> > > Hi Jon,
> > >
> > > I have no negative experiences with Sony SR or Metal XR.  However,
> > > I don't have any 100 minute versions of either to my recollection.
> > > In terms of "high-end" 100 minute tapes, I have used some from
> > > GoldStar (before they re-branded to LG), TDK SA-X, and Maxell
> > > (mainly MX-S and XLII-S).  I also have one or two BASF Reference
> > > Maxima TPII-100.  None of these show any problems that might arise
> > > from tape thickness and tensile strength.  i.e. They are holding
> > > up to the rigours of normal use very well, and as I would expect
> > > from tapes with these pedigrees; they sound as good as they day
> > > they were recorded.
> > >
> > > I don't know why Stephen holds Sony cassettes in low regard.  
> I do
> > > however remember him finding that Maxell XLII was superior to both
> > > MX-S, and  XLII-S from a point of view of neutrality and faith to
> > > the source after calibrating carefully.  He also reported on the
> > > Metal Vertex as being the only cassette in his experience to have
> > > modulation noise that could be attributed to the tapes mechanism.
> > >
> > > On the Sony issue, I have read at least one view that bemoaned the
> > > shortage of blank Sony media because in his opinion they made the
> > > best and most durable tapes!!  I think all these views are
> > > somewhat sweeping.  There are variations to be sure, but
> > > considering the width of product ranges, the span of years and the
> > > enlightened self-interest of the manufacturer it doesn't seem
> > > likely that one company would have an ongoing monopoly on either
> > > excellence or indifference.
> > >
> > > I'm more or less done on testing the esteemed Sony Super Metal
> > > Master.  I have used TDK MA-XG and That's Metal SUONO but not
> > > Maxell Metal Vertex or TDK MA-EX.
> > >
> > > If you have any doubt about these Sonys being in the front 
> rank of
> > > super-tapes, put those to bed right away.  According to the
> > > references I have, they have a dynamic range of 64.4dB and an
> > > ability to soak up the most abusive levels with ease.  I 
> append a
> > > couple of impressions on this tape that I inluded in an e-mail
> > > yesterday to my ex-wife for whom I did the recording.
> > >
> > > *****************************
> > > I tested it first on the Nakamichi 682ZX with  two tracks, 
> both by
> > > Vangelis - th original full length "Alpha" and the "Hymne" also
> > > from the Portraits album.   As you know I have used some pretty
> > > special tapes in the past, talking genuine type IV metals - like
> > > TDK MA-X and the venerable MA-XG, Maxell MX-S etc.  Serious media
> > > by any measurement.  But this blew me away.  I looked up the specs
> > > and set the rec levels accordingly to max out at the indicated
> > > levels per the 1993 What Hi-Fi tape test guide for the type.  (Way
> > > higher than ferrics and chromes).  The recording was done with
> > > Dolby B as is your preference.  I could not believe the detail,
> > > stereo seperation and sheer breathtaking power of the replay.
> > > Even with mere Dolby B, the background is utterly quiet and the
> > > dynamic range is easily the most potent I have ever heard.
> > > Resolution is of the first order, and yet the occasional edginess
> > > and sibilance that one gets (more with vocals) with, say Sony
> > > Metal-ES is not in evid!
> > > ence.  I then recorded your first classical item, being
> > > Beethoven's Symphony No 7.    I could choose either the London
> > > Philharmonic with Barry Wordsworth or a DGG cutting with the
> > > Vienna Philharmonic conducted by, I think, Carlos Kleiber.  I
> > > chose the former, being I felt a slightly cleaner recording  and
> > > artistically a bit more neutral.  Being a a C-60, I only got three
> > > movements of the 39 minute work on the one side and the fouth
> > > movement on the second side.  This leaves me with 23 minutes of
> > > precious metal to work with.
> > >
> > > The sound is clean, clean, clean.  I was so impressed by the
> > > results of your recording on Sony SMM that I ended up
> > > unintentionally listening from beginning to end, somehow 
> bolted to
> > > the chair.  I found I was hearing many things I had never heard
> > > before.   The clarity level is simply outrageously good.
> > >
> > > *********************************
> > > Jon, speaking of other Sonys, I can't think why anyone wouldn't
> > > enjoy the exuberance of UX, UX-Pro or UX-S.  They are good media,
> > > particulalry the latter.  I also use ZX (a cheap and cheerful type
> > > 1 that is a solid mimic of a TDK D - and no less durable).
> > >
> > > I'll see if I can find that reference to the quality and
> > > durability of Sony's and point you in the right direction, 
> link-wise.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Marc
> >
> >
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Wed May  5 00:46:09 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 17:46:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk]Blank cassettes
Message-ID: <s097d6fb.092@mail.anderson.edu>

Hello Rob,

Sorry for the long delay, but we are trying a new SPAM filtering
program and things weren't going very well.  Friday was a disaster;
couldn't get things out of quarantine, whitelist or blacklist them.

I think you may already have made up your mind, through your ears.  Let
us know how pleased you are with the results.  Suspect it will be very
positive.  Hope your ZXL doesn't get too temperamental.  When they work
well, those are very special recordings.  

Enjoy the Music!

Kent

>>> rastynes at iprimus.com.au 4/30/04 1:39:44 AM >>>
Hi Kent,

These are indeed the tapes you describe and appear to be beautifully
made. I
am just about to give one go in my 700 ZXL.

Do you think Miles Davis' Bitches Brew will be demanding enough?

Regards, Rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kent Merideth" <khmerideth at anderson.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk]Blank cassettes


> This is only my personal opinion on those TDK tapes, but if those
are
> the one's with shiny black shells, with large clear windows and
clear
> openings over the two tape guide rollers, they are the best quality
> shells and tape they made, short of the MA-XG series.  Use those
tapes
> for some really demanding music and I think you'll be quite
favorably
> impressed.  Enjoy the Music!
>
> Kent
>
> >>> rastynes at iprimus.com.au 4/23/04 3:10:11 AM >>>
> Hi guys,
>
> I posted a list of new quality cassettes I was able to buy in Sydney
a
> few weeks ago. I am interested to know what other Nakker's are
stocking
> up on.
>
> I had a nice experience recently in my quest. At Len Wallis Audio (a
> large Sydney Hi-Fi store) I asked after some better tapes and was
> given(!) a couple of  TDK  SA-X 90's from the early 90's in a gold &
> white wrapper and a TDK MA-X 60 with Japanese wrapper from the late
> 80's.
>
> It goes to show its worth asking!
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Tue May  4 19:10:54 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:10:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] optonica/headphones
Message-ID: <200405041311_MC3-1-8181-EA91@compuserve.com>

Hi Gerald,

If I remember correctly, an Optonica deck was for sale on ebay couple years
ago and I think Stephen Sank was commenting something like "please don't
buy this junk and expect me to repair it"! Maybe someone can dig it ot of
the naktalk archives.

Regards,
_Fuad


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i dont know - i suspect you may be right about the optonica being an
office machine primarily,although at 1800,i bet its specs were pretty
impressive too,Also,i would like to mention to graham and others
interested to check out the headphone amp by ASL.its an "MG OTL" tube
unit and the item# is( E-Bay) 3094625692-Can you visualize this unit
with a nice pair of headphones/BTW,my Rx-303 "trickled down to me mint
for 20.00 at the salvation army,and my 700 ri-tracer for 9.99 in
excellent shape!still i would give it all away right now to be the
trickler and not the tricklee,of course,a lot of things are donated
cause people have died,in which case i am glad to be just poor and not
dead X-l=

thank you very much,
gerald

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From sarvasu108 at yahoo.com  Wed May  5 07:05:57 2004
From: sarvasu108 at yahoo.com (Richard Durham)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Can Anyone Help Make this Click Go Away?
Message-ID: <20040505050557.78030.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone,

Can anybody give me any pointers on dealing with the
steady click I hear coming from the cassette
compartment of my newly acquired 550?

The happens when I press PLAY and goes about once per
second with a cassette in and about thrice per second
with no cassette. (Apparently the deck had sat awhile,
perhaps several months, in case that might have
anything to do with it.)

Thanks again,
Don




	
		
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed May  5 18:45:15 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:45:15 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
References: <20040505050557.78030.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c432c0$5820c9f0$59773242@CopyTech>

Hello Guys:

The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with contributions
from members of this list and other friends that are not members but has
offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a contributor from
Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song. Mr Ochi
send a very nice Blues selection too.

This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members as the
first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll proceed to
duplicate and send the copies to those interested.

Thanks,

Carlos



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed May  5 19:19:09 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:19:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
Message-ID: <c04df43c04b995.c04b995c04df43@vsnl.net>

Hi Carlos
I am happy that different contributors have contributed to marathon tape this time. One reason that you find lower interest is that the medium is dying a slow death and no new young people listen to this medium anymore. Only middle aged men like us (? ) are still using this medium. Interestingly I meet people who are 50 years or older buying up Naks through ebay as the prices have dropped to affordable levels! it is ofcourse a way to fulfil their dreams to own a top cassette deck of their time!
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:45 am
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update

> Hello Guys:
> 
> The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with 
> contributionsfrom members of this list and other friends that are 
> not members but has
> offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a 
> contributor from
> Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song. 
> Mr Ochi
> send a very nice Blues selection too.
> 
> This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members 
> as the
> first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll 
> proceed to
> duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu May  6 00:34:36 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:34:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
References: <c04df43c04b995.c04b995c04df43@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001801c432f1$25bc96c0$17773242@CopyTech>

I guess you are right, Kannan. For you to have an idea, one of the
contributors send a selection from Tom Jones "It's not unusual" ! The track
only had 2 minutes of duration,so, with the magic of edition I made a
version of 4 minutes and you have to hear it ! Simply amazing. As I said,
there're a lot of surprises in this project.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Hi Carlos
> I am happy that different contributors have contributed to marathon tape
this time. One reason that you find lower interest is that the medium is
dying a slow death and no new young people listen to this medium anymore.
Only middle aged men like us (? ) are still using this medium. Interestingly
I meet people who are 50 years or older buying up Naks through ebay as the
prices have dropped to affordable levels! it is ofcourse a way to fulfil
their dreams to own a top cassette deck of their time!
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:45 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
> > Hello Guys:
> >
> > The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with
> > contributionsfrom members of this list and other friends that are
> > not members but has
> > offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a
> > contributor from
> > Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> > Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song.
> > Mr Ochi
> > send a very nice Blues selection too.
> >
> > This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> > unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members
> > as the
> > first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll
> > proceed to
> > duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Wed May  5 15:45:02 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:45:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Need help choosing NAK
Message-ID: <4098EFDE.9090301@bellsouth.net>

I'm looking to buy my first NAK and would like an opinion or two
from experienced NAK owners/repairers. It would be used primarily
to listen to existing tapes, some made on other machines, some
commercially produced vintage tapes, jazz, classical, some ethnic folk.
Occasional recording may be done, but playback is most important.
I am not technically sophisticated, meaning I am looking for the most
reliable deck needing the least repair as I can not repair them myself nor
do I know anyone who could at this point. Also, a deck that doesn't need
extensive tweaking for best performance--something somewhat automatic
in its operation, if that exists. Lastly, is there a source from which 
to buy
these decks that checks them out properly before sale? Price is really not
an issue, so any model is possible.
Thank you very much,
Mike



Your help will be most appreciated.




From bobf at oodg.net  Wed May  5 19:17:26 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:17:26 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
In-Reply-To: <002b01c432c0$5820c9f0$59773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <200405051716.AVK94746@ms9.netsolmail.com>

This sounds like something I will be very interested in.

I think I missed the early posting so could you please 
repeat directly to me.  Maybe I can contribute as well.
remove NOSPAM below for address direct

Thank you,

Bobf at NOSPAM.oodg.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of El Magnifico
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 09:45
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update

Hello Guys:

The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with contributions
from members of this list and other friends that are not members but has
offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a contributor from
Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song. Mr Ochi
send a very nice Blues selection too.

This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members as the
first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll proceed to
duplicate and send the copies to those interested.

Thanks,

Carlos

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From lyra at abc.lt  Wed May  5 20:16:39 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:16:39 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
References: <c04df43c04b995.c04b995c04df43@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000701c432cd$1c2f4180$5a0310ac@Tado>

Hi Kannan,

I am only 30 years old and I am still using cassette tapes (and have many
contemporaries who still use or start using cassettes again). And interest
is growing. I think the format almost died many years ago and now it is
discovered by many again.

Tadas


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From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Hi Carlos
> I am happy that different contributors have contributed to marathon tape
this time. One reason that you find lower interest is that the medium is
dying a slow death and no new young people listen to this medium anymore.
Only middle aged men like us (? ) are still using this medium. Interestingly
I meet people who are 50 years or older buying up Naks through ebay as the
prices have dropped to affordable levels! it is ofcourse a way to fulfil
their dreams to own a top cassette deck of their time!
> kannan



From srudick at hotmail.com  Wed May  5 12:24:16 2004
From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:24:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Can Anyone Help Make this Click Go Away?
Message-ID: <BAY16-F6ZoL31vHu62p00001a5e@hotmail.com>

It's a reed relay cycled open and closed by a revolving magnet on the tape 
counter. It's part of the auto stop circuit and totally normal. Once the 
'clicking' stops, the transport reverts back to the 'stop' mode from 
whatever mode it was in.

Steve Rudick
Auiotech/Mtl Qc.
Authorized Nak Service

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Hi Everyone,

Can anybody give me any pointers on dealing with the
steady click I hear coming from the cassette
compartment of my newly acquired 550?

The happens when I press PLAY and goes about once per
second with a cassette in and about thrice per second
with no cassette. (Apparently the deck had sat awhile,
perhaps several months, in case that might have
anything to do with it.)

Thanks again,
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From vasantha020563 at btopenworld.com  Wed May  5 22:18:22 2004
From: vasantha020563 at btopenworld.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?VASANTHA=20PERERA?=)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:18:22 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
In-Reply-To: <001801c432f1$25bc96c0$17773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20040505201822.52309.qmail@web86310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi guys!
I've been following your discussions with interest and I'd like to put my problem to you. My MR-2 makes a nasty mechanical noise when I press play with a tape inside; without a tape it is noise free. There is more noise with Maxell metal tapes than with TDK-MA's(the Maxells feel looser when lightly shaken-not stirred...sorry!). On rewind and fast-forward operations we're once again o.k. I bought this second hand from the U.S ( I'm in the U.K ); I read in one of this forum's letters that none use would make the lubricant go solid and I'm wondering if this could be the cause? If not then I'll have to send it to B&W for a service, it would be a shame to do that if I could just oil the little bugger myself! I also have an MR-1, which I bought for it's balanced operation to go with a pair of active Spendor BC1A's. Then I bought a Linn LK1 pre-amp thinking it was also balanced because of the XLR in's and out's, now I realis it's not balanced I'm left in a quandry over which cables to get.
 This is my second system and I also factored a Camdridge CD-6(BALANCED OUTPUT) and a Thorens 160, for which the LK1 would be a phono stage. I've been using the MR-1 in my first system for the time being and find that connection to an unbalanced amp has to be via it's decoder output and it's encoder input. Meanwhile the led meter does not function in this mode when recording or anything else and the recording levels and output levels don't function; making for distorted recording even with Metal tapes, not to mention lesser types. When I had the input and output plugged into it's decoder section the led meter worked but recording and output levels remained ineffectual and it wouldn't record at all because of it's balanced operation recieving an unencoded unbalanced source. Will all these problems dissappear once it is connected to a balanced amp and source? How do I use it with the LK1 and the BC1'S without losing the benefits of a balanced operation? Should I get a mixer and put the
 whole lot through that? Help! Somebody please help! My mind is exploding with all this!       Sam.   
El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:I guess you are right, Kannan. For you to have an idea, one of the
contributors send a selection from Tom Jones "It's not unusual" ! The track
only had 2 minutes of duration,so, with the magic of edition I made a
version of 4 minutes and you have to hear it ! Simply amazing. As I said,
there're a lot of surprises in this project.

Carlos

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Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Hi Carlos
> I am happy that different contributors have contributed to marathon tape
this time. One reason that you find lower interest is that the medium is
dying a slow death and no new young people listen to this medium anymore.
Only middle aged men like us (? ) are still using this medium. Interestingly
I meet people who are 50 years or older buying up Naks through ebay as the
prices have dropped to affordable levels! it is ofcourse a way to fulfil
their dreams to own a top cassette deck of their time!
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico 
> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:45 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
> > Hello Guys:
> >
> > The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with
> > contributionsfrom members of this list and other friends that are
> > not members but has
> > offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a
> > contributor from
> > Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> > Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song.
> > Mr Ochi
> > send a very nice Blues selection too.
> >
> > This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> > unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members
> > as the
> > first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll
> > proceed to
> > duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed May  5 23:49:34 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:49:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Need help choosing NAK
In-Reply-To: <4098EFDE.9090301@bellsouth.net>
References: <4098EFDE.9090301@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4099616E.6090108@rcn.com>

Michael Moore wrote:
> I'm looking to buy my first NAK and would like an opinion or two
> from experienced NAK owners/repairers. It would be used primarily
> to listen to existing tapes, some made on other machines, some
> commercially produced vintage tapes, jazz, classical, some ethnic folk.
> Occasional recording may be done, but playback is most important.
> I am not technically sophisticated, meaning I am looking for the most
> reliable deck needing the least repair as I can not repair them myself nor
> do I know anyone who could at this point. Also, a deck that doesn't need
> extensive tweaking for best performance--something somewhat automatic
> in its operation, if that exists. Lastly, is there a source from which 
> to buy
> these decks that checks them out properly before sale? Price is really not
> an issue, so any model is possible.
> Thank you very much,
> Mike

Since price is not an issue but ease of operation is, I
would suggest a Dragon. Try to find one that has been
serviced and aligned properly and is in good condition.
It will then only require occasional routine maintenance
(head cleaning and demagnetizing), just like any other
high end deck.

-- Ron




From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu May  6 00:12:01 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:12:01 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
Message-ID: <c068ad5c0641bc.c0641bcc068ad5@vsnl.net>

Thanks Tadas
I am talking about 15 -20 year olds who are the decisive market force for Music recording who is either burning MP3' or copying the music to iPOD's. But you and me will be left with only Normal bias blank Cassettes probably produced in India or Indonesia in future!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt>
Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update

> Hi Kannan,
> 
> I am only 30 years old and I am still using cassette tapes (and 
> have many
> contemporaries who still use or start using cassettes again). And 
> interestis growing. I think the format almost died many years ago 
> and now it is
> discovered by many again.
> 
> Tadas
> 
> 




From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu May  6 00:18:33 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:18:33 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help choosing NAK
Message-ID: <c06669ac06c06e.c06c06ec06669a@vsnl.net>

I cannot say that whatever I recommend below is truly maintanence free for a decade but can be effectively used for high quality reproduction of tapes made anywhere else - with the help of Play back head azimuth. I also would go for 3 heads with Dual capstan ( with gear Drive ) and also latest production dates to obtain as new as possible. Cassette Deck1 / DR1 models fit the bill. While Dragon + send it for service for good next decade listen. CR 7A will be another with gear mod/ service update for checking DD motor health and rec equalization correction. Of these first two would be cheaper while the later two would be in the 700 -1100$ range of cost outflow.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net>
Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 6:45 am
Subject: [naktalk] Need help choosing NAK

> I'm looking to buy my first NAK and would like an opinion or two
> from experienced NAK owners/repairers. It would be used primarily
> to listen to existing tapes, some made on other machines, some
> commercially produced vintage tapes, jazz, classical, some ethnic 
> folk.Occasional recording may be done, but playback is most important.
> I am not technically sophisticated, meaning I am looking for the most
> reliable deck needing the least repair as I can not repair them 
> myself nor
> do I know anyone who could at this point. Also, a deck that 
> doesn't need
> extensive tweaking for best performance--something somewhat automatic
> in its operation, if that exists. Lastly, is there a source from 
> which 
> to buy
> these decks that checks them out properly before sale? Price is 
> really not
> an issue, so any model is possible.
> Thank you very much,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> Your help will be most appreciated.
> 
> 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Thu May  6 00:30:33 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:30:33 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
Message-ID: <c06c2b9c068a44.c068a44c06c2b9@vsnl.net>

Sam
I remeber receiving one BX 125 with a ton of oil inside the idler drive for the spool when I read your request for a simple filling in oil solution to your MR2. Incase it has a idler friction drive with a worn rubber tire , oil addition would cause the mechanism to completely stop functioning. Pull out the door cover - I hope you have an user manual handy with you? Once you remove the main door cover you can see two small blacl screws on top extremse of th eblack back plate behind the cassette well. remove these two screws you will be able able to see the espool drive in action Now try to find out what is happening - do you see gears or just plain rubber idler drives the spool by friction? I think you may get a better idea of what happens when you play a tape on your MR 2!
I do not understand why can't you use unbalanced input and out line connection available next to balanced input connectors on your MR1?
kannan
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Hi guys!
I've been following your discussions with interest and I'd like to put my problem to you. My MR-2 makes a nasty mechanical noise when I press play with a tape inside; without a tape it is noise free. There is more noise with Maxell metal tapes than with TDK-MA's(the Maxells feel looser when lightly shaken-not stirred...sorry!). On rewind and fast-forward operations we're once again o.k. I bought this second hand from the U.S ( I'm in the U.K ); I read in one of this forum's letters that none use would make the lubricant go solid and I'm wondering if this could be the cause? If not then I'll have to send it to B&W for a service, it would be a shame to do that if I could just oil the little bugger myself! I also have an MR-1, which I bought for it's balanced operation to go with a pair of active Spendor BC1A's. Then I bought a Linn LK1 pre-amp thinking it was also balanced because of the XLR in's and out's, now I realis it's not balanced I'm left in a quandry over which cables!
  to get.
 This is my second system and I also factored a Camdridge CD-6(BALANCED OUTPUT) and a Thorens 160, for which the LK1 would be a phono stage. I've been using the MR-1 in my first system for the time being and find that connection to an unbalanced amp has to be via it's decoder output and it's encoder input. Meanwhile the led meter does not function in this mode when recording or anything else and the recording levels and output levels don't function; making for distorted recording even with Metal tapes, not to mention lesser types. When I had the input and output plugged into it's decoder section the led meter worked but recording and output levels remained ineffectual and it wouldn't record at all because of it's balanced operation recieving an unencoded unbalanced source. Will all these problems dissappear once it is connected to a balanced amp and source? How do I use it with the LK1 and the BC1'S without losing the benefits of a balanced operation? Should I get a mixer an!
 d put the
 whole lot through that? Help! Somebody please help! My mind is exploding with all this!       Sam.   
El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:I guess you are right, Kannan. For you to have an idea, one of the
contributors send a selection from Tom Jones "It's not unusual" ! The track
only had 2 minutes of duration,so, with the magic of edition I made a
version of 4 minutes and you have to hear it ! Simply amazing. As I said,
there're a lot of surprises in this project.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Hi Carlos
> I am happy that different contributors have contributed to marathon tape
this time. One reason that you find lower interest is that the medium is
dying a slow death and no new young people listen to this medium anymore.
Only middle aged men like us (? ) are still using this medium. Interestingly
I meet people who are 50 years or older buying up Naks through ebay as the
prices have dropped to affordable levels! it is ofcourse a way to fulfil
their dreams to own a top cassette deck of their time!
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico 
> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:45 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
> > Hello Guys:
> >
> > The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with
> > contributionsfrom members of this list and other friends that are
> > not members but has
> > offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a
> > contributor from
> > Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> > Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song.
> > Mr Ochi
> > send a very nice Blues selection too.
> >
> > This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> > unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members
> > as the
> > first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll
> > proceed to
> > duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------
> > ========= Register your Nak today!
> > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> > --------------------------=========
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> > Maintain your account here:
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> >
>
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<DIV>Hi guys!<BR>I've been following your discussions with interest and I'd like to put my problem to you. My MR-2 makes a nasty mechanical noise when I press play with a tape inside; without a tape it is noise free. There is more noise with Maxell metal tapes than with TDK-MA's(the Maxells feel looser when lightly shaken-not stirred...sorry!). On rewind and fast-forward operations we're once again o.k. I bought this second hand from the U.S ( I'm in the U.K ); I read in one of this forum's letters that none use would make the lubricant go solid and I'm wondering if this could be the cause? If not then I'll have to send it to B&amp;W for a service, it would be a shame to do that if I could just oil the little bugger myself! I also have an MR-1, which I bought for it's balanced operation to go with a pair of active Spendor BC1A's. Then I bought a Linn LK1 pre-amp thinking it was also balanced because of the XLR in's and out's, now I realis it's not balanced I'm left in a quan!
 dry over
 which cables to get. This is my second system and I also factored a Camdridge CD-6(BALANCED OUTPUT) and a Thorens 160, for which the LK1 would be a phono stage. I've been using the MR-1 in my first system for the time being and find that connection to an unbalanced amp has to be via it's decoder output and it's encoder input. Meanwhile the led meter does not function in this mode when recording or anything else and the recording levels and output levels don't function; making for distorted recording even with Metal tapes, not to mention lesser types. When I had the input and output plugged into it's decoder section the led meter worked but recording and output levels remained ineffectual and it wouldn't record at all because of it's balanced operation recieving an unencoded unbalanced source. Will all these problems dissappear once it is connected to a balanced amp and source? How do I use it with the LK1 and the BC1'S without losing the benefits of a balanced operation? Sh!
 ould I
 get a mixer and put the whole lot through that? Help! Somebody please help! My mind is exploding with all this!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sam.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><B><I>El Magnifico &lt;copytec at coqui.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I guess you are right, Kannan. For you to have an idea, one of the<BR>contributors send a selection from Tom Jones "It's not unusual" ! The track<BR>only had 2 minutes of duration,so, with the magic of edition I made a<BR>version of 4 minutes and you have to hear it ! Simply amazing. As I said,<BR>there're a lot of surprises in this project.<BR><BR>Carlos<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <KANNAN_S at VSNL.COM><BR>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <NAKTALK at NAKS.COM><BR>Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:19 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Hi Carlos<BR>&gt; I am happy that different contributors have contributed to marathon tape<BR>this time. One reason that you find lower interest is that the medium is<BR>dying a slow death and no new young people listen to this medium anymore.<BR>Only middle aged men like us (? ) are still using thi!
 s medium.
 Interestingly<BR>I meet people who are 50 years or older buying up Naks through ebay as the<BR>prices have dropped to affordable levels! it is ofcourse a way to fulfil<BR>their dreams to own a top cassette deck of their time!<BR>&gt; kannan<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; From: El Magnifico <COPYTEC at COQUI.NET><BR>&gt; Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:45 am<BR>&gt; Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Hello Guys:<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with<BR>&gt; &gt; contributionsfrom members of this list and other friends that are<BR>&gt; &gt; not members but has<BR>&gt; &gt; offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a<BR>&gt; &gt; contributor from<BR>&gt; &gt; Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from<BR>&gt; &gt; Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song.<BR>&gt; &gt; Mr Ochi<BR>&gt; &gt; send a very nice Blues selection too.<BR>&g!
 t;
 &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; This project is sounding even better that the original one, but<BR>&gt; &gt; unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members<BR>&gt; &gt; as the<BR>&gt; &gt; first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll<BR>&gt; &gt; proceed to<BR>&gt; &gt; duplicate and send the copies to those interested.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Thanks,<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Carlos<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; ========---------------------------------------------------------<BR>&gt; &gt; ========= Register your Nak today!<BR>&gt; &gt; http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------<BR>&gt; &gt; --------------------------=========<BR>&gt; &gt; Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist<BR>&gt; &gt; Maintain your account here:<BR>&gt; &gt; http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------<BR>&gt; &gt; ------------------------------------------=========<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu May  6 07:20:45 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 22:20:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
References: <200405051716.AVK94746@ms9.netsolmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c43329$e2db8710$10773242@CopyTech>

Send your contributions to:

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

No more than 5 minutes of music, on CrO2 tape.

Thanks !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Folline" <bobf at oodg.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> This sounds like something I will be very interested in.
>
> I think I missed the early posting so could you please
> repeat directly to me.  Maybe I can contribute as well.
> remove NOSPAM below for address direct
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bobf at NOSPAM.oodg.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of El Magnifico
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 09:45
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
> Hello Guys:
>
> The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with contributions
> from members of this list and other friends that are not members but has
> offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a contributor
from
> Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song. Mr Ochi
> send a very nice Blues selection too.
>
> This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members as the
> first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll proceed to
> duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu May  6 05:14:43 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:14:43 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] This is another test - please ignore.
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4B4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>



Tom Siomopoulos


From kjbleus at charter.net  Thu May  6 06:18:48 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:18:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MkII Update
Message-ID: <001d01c43321$3ab38f40$6501a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

You know, Carlos, its difficult for me to imagine that the new Marathon MkII will be even better than the original.  I've been transposing Marathon Tapes Project MkI to cassette (I'm doing some recordings this evening for my buddies), and tweaking the best out of my ZX-7 deck and metal cassettes to get a phenomenal sound from the tracks coming from your MkI CDRs.  And by playing these tunes over and over, I've come to a rather endearing feeling about the music and playlist sequence.  So, my friend, I'll be eagerly awaiting the new Marathon MkII, and then it will be a time for enjoyment and comparison!  What do the other NakTalkers have to say about the music????

Regards to all,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W


--------- Forwarded Message ---------

DATE: Thu, 6 May 2004 00:36:05 
From: naktalk-request at naks.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
Hello Guys:

The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with contributions
from members of this list and other friends that are not members but has
offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a contributor from
Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song. Mr Ochi
send a very nice Blues selection too.

This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members as the
first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll proceed to
duplicate and send the copies to those interested.

Thanks,

Carlos
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu May  6 15:38:25 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 06:38:25 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon
Message-ID: <000e01c4336f$68c47b30$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Mr.Bleus,

I agree with you completely......the playlist sequence flows very well.  I think most of us discovered some new artists to enjoy.  I pull mine out and take a listen about once a month and I'm amazed each time.  I am really eagerly looking forward to MkII, and from El Magnifico's description, it too promises to be an amazing source of newly discovered artistry......can't wait.

Robert Kent

You know, Carlos, its difficult for me to imagine that the new Marathon MkII will be even better than the original.  I've been transposing Marathon Tapes Project MkI to cassette (I'm doing some recordings this evening for my buddies), and tweaking the best out of my ZX-7 deck and metal cassettes to get a phenomenal sound from the tracks coming from your MkI CDRs.  And by playing these tunes over and over, I've come to a rather endearing feeling about the music and playlist sequence.  So, my friend, I'll be eagerly awaiting the new Marathon MkII, and then it will be a time for enjoyment and comparison!  What do the other NakTalkers have to say about the music????

Regards to all,

Bleus de Nakker
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From vasantha020563 at btopenworld.com  Thu May  6 19:58:46 2004
From: vasantha020563 at btopenworld.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?VASANTHA=20PERERA?=)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:58:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
In-Reply-To: <c06c2b9c068a44.c068a44c06c2b9@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <20040506175846.36630.qmail@web86301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Kannan
Thanks for the reply and tip. I'll get on to it as soon as I get some food inside me( just got home from work). The answer to the MR-1 question is that it has an encoder and a decoder as well as balanced XLR and JACKs. When the output is taken from the decoder it decodes the balanced signal into an unbalanced one and this is good for me so I am using that. However the input if unbalanced needs to be encoded into a balanced one, so the decoder section was no good for that and I had to take my input cables out of there and put them into the encoder to be able to record. When I tried the outputs in the encoder I couldn't hear the Nak play; and unfortuanatly I don't have a manual handy I had to figure this out by trial and error. Looked on EBAY for one but no luck so far. If anybody has a MR-1 0r MR-2 manual or both I'd be eternally greatful if they could make them available for a download.         Sam.  
kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote:Sam
I remeber receiving one BX 125 with a ton of oil inside the idler drive for the spool when I read your request for a simple filling in oil solution to your MR2. Incase it has a idler friction drive with a worn rubber tire , oil addition would cause the mechanism to completely stop functioning. Pull out the door cover - I hope you have an user manual handy with you? Once you remove the main door cover you can see two small blacl screws on top extremse of th eblack back plate behind the cassette well. remove these two screws you will be able able to see the espool drive in action Now try to find out what is happening - do you see gears or just plain rubber idler drives the spool by friction? I think you may get a better idea of what happens when you play a tape on your MR 2!
I do not understand why can't you use unbalanced input and out line connection available next to balanced input connectors on your MR1?
kannan
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Hi guys!
I've been following your discussions with interest and I'd like to put my problem to you. My MR-2 makes a nasty mechanical noise when I press play with a tape inside; without a tape it is noise free. There is more noise with Maxell metal tapes than with TDK-MA's(the Maxells feel looser when lightly shaken-not stirred...sorry!). On rewind and fast-forward operations we're once again o.k. I bought this second hand from the U.S ( I'm in the U.K ); I read in one of this forum's letters that none use would make the lubricant go solid and I'm wondering if this could be the cause? If not then I'll have to send it to B&W for a service, it would be a shame to do that if I could just oil the little bugger myself! I also have an MR-1, which I bought for it's balanced operation to go with a pair of active Spendor BC1A's. Then I bought a Linn LK1 pre-amp thinking it was also balanced because of the XLR in's and out's, now I realis it's not balanced I'm left in a quandry over which cables!
to get.
This is my second system and I also factored a Camdridge CD-6(BALANCED OUTPUT) and a Thorens 160, for which the LK1 would be a phono stage. I've been using the MR-1 in my first system for the time being and find that connection to an unbalanced amp has to be via it's decoder output and it's encoder input. Meanwhile the led meter does not function in this mode when recording or anything else and the recording levels and output levels don't function; making for distorted recording even with Metal tapes, not to mention lesser types. When I had the input and output plugged into it's decoder section the led meter worked but recording and output levels remained ineffectual and it wouldn't record at all because of it's balanced operation recieving an unencoded unbalanced source. Will all these problems dissappear once it is connected to a balanced amp and source? How do I use it with the LK1 and the BC1'S without losing the benefits of a balanced operation? Should I get a mixer an!
d put the
whole lot through that? Help! Somebody please help! My mind is exploding with all this! Sam. 
El Magnifico wrote:I guess you are right, Kannan. For you to have an idea, one of the
contributors send a selection from Tom Jones "It's not unusual" ! The track
only had 2 minutes of duration,so, with the magic of edition I made a
version of 4 minutes and you have to hear it ! Simply amazing. As I said,
there're a lot of surprises in this project.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Hi Carlos
> I am happy that different contributors have contributed to marathon tape
this time. One reason that you find lower interest is that the medium is
dying a slow death and no new young people listen to this medium anymore.
Only middle aged men like us (? ) are still using this medium. Interestingly
I meet people who are 50 years or older buying up Naks through ebay as the
prices have dropped to affordable levels! it is ofcourse a way to fulfil
their dreams to own a top cassette deck of their time!
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico 
> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:45 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
> > Hello Guys:
> >
> > The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with
> > contributionsfrom members of this list and other friends that are
> > not members but has
> > offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a
> > contributor from
> > Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> > Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song.
> > Mr Ochi
> > send a very nice Blues selection too.
> >
> > This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> > unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members
> > as the
> > first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll
> > proceed to
> > duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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Hi guys!
I've been following your discussions with interest and I'd like to put my problem to you. My MR-2 makes a nasty mechanical noise when I press play with a tape inside; without a tape it is noise free. There is more noise with Maxell metal tapes than with TDK-MA's(the Maxells feel looser when lightly shaken-not stirred...sorry!). On rewind and fast-forward operations we're once again o.k. I bought this second hand from the U.S ( I'm in the U.K ); I read in one of this forum's letters that none use would make the lubricant go solid and I'm wondering if this could be the cause? If not then I'll have to send it to B&W for a service, it would be a shame to do that if I could just oil the little bugger myself! I also have an MR-1, which I bought for it's balanced operation to go with a pair of active Spendor BC1A's. Then I bought a Linn LK1 pre-amp thinking it was also balanced because of the XLR in's and out's, now I realis it's not balanced I'm left in a quan!
dry over
which cables to get. This is my second system and I also factored a Camdridge CD-6(BALANCED OUTPUT) and a Thorens 160, for which the LK1 would be a phono stage. I've been using the MR-1 in my first system for the time being and find that connection to an unbalanced amp has to be via it's decoder output and it's encoder input. Meanwhile the led meter does not function in this mode when recording or anything else and the recording levels and output levels don't function; making for distorted recording even with Metal tapes, not to mention lesser types. When I had the input and output plugged into it's decoder section the led meter worked but recording and output levels remained ineffectual and it wouldn't record at all because of it's balanced operation recieving an unencoded unbalanced source. Will all these problems dissappear once it is connected to a balanced amp and source? How do I use it with the LK1 and the BC1'S without losing the benefits of a balanced operation? Sh!
ould I
get a mixer and put the whole lot through that? Help! Somebody please help! My mind is exploding with all this!       Sam.   
El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
I guess you are right, Kannan. For you to have an idea, one of the
contributors send a selection from Tom Jones "It's not unusual" ! The track
only had 2 minutes of duration,so, with the magic of edition I made a
version of 4 minutes and you have to hear it ! Simply amazing. As I said,
there're a lot of surprises in this project.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Hi Carlos
> I am happy that different contributors have contributed to marathon tape
this time. One reason that you find lower interest is that the medium is
dying a slow death and no new young people listen to this medium anymore.
Only middle aged men like us (? ) are still using thi!
s medium.
Interestingly
I meet people who are 50 years or older buying up Naks through ebay as the
prices have dropped to affordable levels! it is ofcourse a way to fulfil
their dreams to own a top cassette deck of their time!
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico 
> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:45 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
> > Hello Guys:
> >
> > The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with
> > contributionsfrom members of this list and other friends that are
> > not members but has
> > offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a
> > contributor from
> > Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> > Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song.
> > Mr Ochi
> > send a very nice Blues selection too.
&g!
t;
>
> > This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> > unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members
> > as the
> > first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll
> > proceed to
> > duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From lyra at abc.lt  Thu May  6 09:10:30 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:10:30 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
References: <c068ad5c0641bc.c0641bcc068ad5@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <009401c43339$37901b40$040310ac@lyra2>

Kannan,

Thanks, now I feel much older :) And you are absolutely right, 15-20 year
olds usually use computers and other digital "devices" for music recording
and listening. And we need to stock up enough quantity of cassettes for the
future. I already made that and still keep buying :)

Tadas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 01:12
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Thanks Tadas
> I am talking about 15 -20 year olds who are the decisive market force for
Music recording who is either burning MP3' or copying the music to iPOD's.
But you and me will be left with only Normal bias blank Cassettes probably
produced in India or Indonesia in future!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt>
> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 11:16 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
> > Hi Kannan,
> >
> > I am only 30 years old and I am still using cassette tapes (and
> > have many
> > contemporaries who still use or start using cassettes again). And
> > interestis growing. I think the format almost died many years ago
> > and now it is
> > discovered by many again.
> >
> > Tadas
> >
> >
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri May  7 02:29:32 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:29:32 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
Message-ID: <001a01c433ca$5ec3ff10$35773242@CopyTech>

Hello Fellows:

Here I have a message from the Nak Doctor himself and asked very kindly to
pass it on to you, guys.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
To: <copytec at coqui.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: CD rot?? YES!!


Carlos,

Feel free to pass this on to the guys.

http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLOGY//XML/1700_High_Tech/233d65cc-7357-4bf1-bae7-97bb82206c8e.html

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin

"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975!
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Fri May  7 00:44:19 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:44:19 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] old folks
Message-ID: <22628310@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri May  7 02:30:48 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 10:30:48 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] This is the final test.
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4BC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Sorry guys but I have had a little trouble receiving e-mails from this
wonderful forum. I promise this is the last test.
	
	Regards

Tom Siomopoulos 


From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri May  7 02:42:59 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 17:42:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] old folks
Message-ID: <c2427e2c244ab5.c244ab5c2427e2@vsnl.net>

Fred
 I can define the Young as one who can listen iPOD for serious listening like my son. He listens to his Punk Rock/ rap bands music using MP3 player from his computer through his Bose Roomate speakers quite loudly. he even connected my main stereo to his computer sometimes- to listen to his MP3s. He doesnot care how it sounds but it should be pretty loud!
In that sense 40 years old is young????? . 
I have a minidisc player for listening during my exercise walk in the late evening as nothing else would be as convenient as that though!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thursday, May 6, 2004 3:20 pm
Subject: [naktalk] old folks

> Well, I'm 40 (is that middle aged yet?) and I have two Naks and an 
> iPod. I love
> them all. The iPod is great when I'm working on the house as it 
> slips into the
> toolbelt and gives me 10 straight hours of music. Try that with a Nak.
> 
> On the other hand, it also sounds like an MP3 player, so when I 
> want to turn up
> the system, turn down the lights and drift away into the music I 
> use my Naks.
> Try that with iPod.
> 
> That said, the AAC format that Apple is using now really does 
> sound pretty good.
> I'm not giving up tapes, though.
> best wishes,
> Fred
> --- Tadas wrote:
> Kannan,
> 
> Thanks, now I feel much older :) And you are absolutely right, 15-
> 20 year
> olds usually use computers and other digital "devices" for music 
> recordingand listening. And we need to stock up enough quantity of 
> cassettes for the
> future. I already made that and still keep buying :)
> 
> Tadas
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri May  7 02:59:09 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 10:59:09 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] old folks
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4BE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I guess I must be a child then - only 33 years old. But if you were to take
a look at my equipment you would think it was owned by an older man - Beta
hi-fi, 8mm PCM hi-fi & VHS hi-fi vcrs, 3 open reel decks with tons of tape,
tons of vinyl and two TT, 5 nak decks, 2 high-com II units, DAT unit, 2
minidisc units (one portable) and a Partridge in a pari tree :)

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com]
Sent: Friday, 7 May 2004 10:43 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] old folks


Fred
 I can define the Young as one who can listen iPOD for serious listening
like my son. He listens to his Punk Rock/ rap bands music using MP3 player
from his computer through his Bose Roomate speakers quite loudly. he even
connected my main stereo to his computer sometimes- to listen to his MP3s.
He doesnot care how it sounds but it should be pretty loud!
In that sense 40 years old is young????? . 
I have a minidisc player for listening during my exercise walk in the late
evening as nothing else would be as convenient as that though!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thursday, May 6, 2004 3:20 pm
Subject: [naktalk] old folks

> Well, I'm 40 (is that middle aged yet?) and I have two Naks and an 
> iPod. I love
> them all. The iPod is great when I'm working on the house as it 
> slips into the
> toolbelt and gives me 10 straight hours of music. Try that with a Nak.
> 
> On the other hand, it also sounds like an MP3 player, so when I 
> want to turn up
> the system, turn down the lights and drift away into the music I 
> use my Naks.
> Try that with iPod.
> 
> That said, the AAC format that Apple is using now really does 
> sound pretty good.
> I'm not giving up tapes, though.
> best wishes,
> Fred
> --- Tadas wrote:
> Kannan,
> 
> Thanks, now I feel much older :) And you are absolutely right, 15-
> 20 year
> olds usually use computers and other digital "devices" for music 
> recordingand listening. And we need to stock up enough quantity of 
> cassettes for the
> future. I already made that and still keep buying :)
> 
> Tadas
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From GalloRF at aol.com  Fri May  7 03:49:30 2004
From: GalloRF at aol.com (GalloRF at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:49:30 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
Message-ID: <5b.4debc750.2dcc452a@aol.com>

Greetings from Sydney Australia
I know know if this is the right way to enter into the forum so pls excuse me 
if I've bypassed the correct protocols.
I am seeking assistance for repair of my Nak ZX-7. 
The Nak agents here have been changing like a revolving door and support for 
a piece of 'old' equipment like this is non-existent. There are so called 
'approved repairers' but they are new folk appointed by the new agents and sadly 
don't have access to the circuit diagrams or the service manuals. 
The unit was working fine up until a few months ago when in the process of 
recording I noticed a sharp pungent smell coming from the unit. When I turned 
off the unit and replayed my recorded passage, all I got was noice, similar to 
the noise you get when tuning in between radio stations. It will not record now 
but plays back other tapes OK.
Can anyone out there shed some light on this anomaly. Where do I go to secure 
a copy of the service manual and circuit diagrmas for this unit, so at least 
I can get a qualified technician to fix it??
Regards from downunder
Robert  
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From m_a_r_k_e at netzero.com  Fri May  7 06:24:01 2004
From: m_a_r_k_e at netzero.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:24:01 -0700
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Wally world 1.00 pre-recorded cassettes
Message-ID: <000001c433eb$2675c500$374b3542@compaq>

I stopped by Wal-mart today. No luck in finding any cassettes for $1.00

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald G.
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 12:31 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Wally world 1.00 pre-recorded cassettes

hi,just thought i would rush right home and tell all my good friends
here who like rock that wal-mart has 1.00 pre-recorded cassetes
now,first time ive seen them,for 1.00.,and i picked up about 20.00 worth
and im very pleased.some of the stuff i got was 2 cassetee graham parker
anthology,boston -dont lookback,best of kansas,stanley
turrntine,starship-miracles,jeff beck-shapes of things,gang green-you
got it,deep purple-smoke on the water&Shades,kinks-think
visual,springsteen-the wildthe innocent,roger daltry live at carnegie
hall,adrianbelew,ronnie wood-slide on this, and David lee roth -little
aint enough.i only listened to one and it sounds good-springsteen.many
of these appear to be DDA specially marketed for continous sale at
Wal-marts at these prices,nd others appear to be re-priced originally
produced tapes wth original liner notes.

thank you very much,
gerald

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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri May  7 14:49:34 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 08:49:34 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Touch up paint
Message-ID: <12c.41108396.2dccdfde@aol.com>


Can anyone recommend a touch up paint for the metal top of these decks?

Thanks,
Anthony
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri May  7 19:14:33 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 13:14:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Touch up paint
In-Reply-To: <12c.41108396.2dccdfde@aol.com>
References: <12c.41108396.2dccdfde@aol.com>
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BADANTH at aol.com wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a touch up paint for the metal top of these decks?
> 
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> 

I use Rustoleum Satin black in spray cans. It protects the metal and 
prevents corrosion. In appearance it's very similar to the original
and if the job is done right, will leave the cover looking like new.

-- Ron




From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Fri May  7 19:55:40 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 17:55:40 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] politics and music
Message-ID: <22658169@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From timbarrett at cox.net  Fri May  7 21:57:27 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 15:57:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
In-Reply-To: <5b.4debc750.2dcc452a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <409BB1E7.2925.17C6CA@localhost>

Greetings, Robert!

There are a limited number of items that can produce a pungent odor when they fail without 
affecting the machine's ability to playback and move tape, and I place my bet on the bias 
oscillator.  It's located on the main PC board and will be near where the erase head cable 
plugs into the board.  I suggest you have your technician check Q301, Q302, C303, R305 
and R306.  And if any of C305, C306, or C307 are orange in color, replace them too.  Let's 
hope the bias oscillator transformer T301 survived because it may be difficult to find a 
replacement for that.

If you have been following the conversations for a while, you may have read about the 
'orange cap disease' that afflicts some naks.  My ZX-7 contracted it, and if yours also has 
these capacitors in it I urge you to consider replacing them.  I believe I found about 30 of 
them in mine, and it's a much happier nak now that they've been banished.

Tim


From:           	GalloRF at aol.com
Date sent:      	Thu, 6 May 2004 21:49:30 EDT
Subject:        	Re: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
To:             	naktalk at naks.com
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Greetings from Sydney Australia
I know know if this is the rightway to enter into the forum so pls excuse me if I've bypassed 
the correct protocols.
I am seeking assistance for repair of my Nak ZX-7. 
The Nak agents here have been changing like a revolving door and support for a piece of 
'old' equipment like this is non-existent. There are so called 'approved repairers' but they 
are new folk appointed by the new agents and sadly don't have access to the circuit 
diagrams or the service manuals. 
The unit was working fine up until a few months ago when in the process of recording I 
noticed a sharp pungent smell coming from the unit.WhenI turned off the unit and 
replayed my recorded passage, all I got was noice, similar to the noise you get when tuning 
in between radio stations.It will not record now but plays back other tapes OK.
Can anyone out there shed some light on this anomaly. Where doI go to securea copy of 
the service manual and circuit diagrmas for this unit, so at least I can get a qualified 
technician to fix it??
Regards from downunder
Robert




From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Fri May  7 22:56:50 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 13:56:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ZX 7 trouble
Message-ID: <c4028c2c400abd.c400abdc4028c2@vsnl.net>

Hi Robert 
you can look up this page 
http://support.naks.com/orange/
for an explanation of Bias Oscillator failure due to Orange cap. I generally find two switching transistors and Bias Oscillator transistors as well need replacement as they might have died. Generally the nothing happens to the Bias Osc coil ( actually it is a transformer!) Hope this helps your tech!
Kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: timbarrett at cox.net
Date: Friday, May 7, 2004 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!

> Greetings, Robert!
> 
> There are a limited number of items that can produce a pungent 
> odor when they fail without 
> affecting the machine's ability to playback and move tape, and I 
> place my bet on the bias 
> oscillator.  It's located on the main PC board and will be near 
> where the erase head cable 
> plugs into the board.  I suggest you have your technician check 
> Q301, Q302, C303, R305 
> and R306.  And if any of C305, C306, or C307 are orange in color, 
> replace them too.  Let's 
> hope the bias oscillator transformer T301 survived because it may 
> be difficult to find a 
> replacement for that.
> 
> If you have been following the conversations for a while, you may 
> have read about the 
> 'orange cap disease' that afflicts some naks.  My ZX-7 contracted 
> it, and if yours also has 
> these capacitors in it I urge you to consider replacing them.  I 
> believe I found about 30 of 
> them in mine, and it's a much happier nak now that they've been 
> banished.
> Tim
> 
> 
> From:           	GalloRF at aol.com
> Date sent:      	Thu, 6 May 2004 21:49:30 EDT
> Subject:        	Re: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
> To:             	naktalk at naks.com
> Send reply to:  	Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
> <naktalk at naks.com>	<')" >naktalk-request at naks.com?subject=unsubscribe>
> 	<')" >naktalk-request at naks.com?subject=subscribe>
> 
> 
> Greetings from Sydney Australia
> I know know if this is the rightway to enter into the forum so pls 
> excuse me if I've bypassed 
> the correct protocols.
> I am seeking assistance for repair of my Nak ZX-7. 
> The Nak agents here have been changing like a revolving door and 
> support for a piece of 
> 'old' equipment like this is non-existent. There are so called 
> 'approved repairers' but they 
> are new folk appointed by the new agents and sadly don't have 
> access to the circuit 
> diagrams or the service manuals. 
> The unit was working fine up until a few months ago when in the 
> process of recording I 
> noticed a sharp pungent smell coming from the unit.WhenI turned 
> off the unit and 
> replayed my recorded passage, all I got was noice, similar to the 
> noise you get when tuning 
> in between radio stations.It will not record now but plays back 
> other tapes OK.
> Can anyone out there shed some light on this anomaly. Where doI go 
> to securea copy of 
> the service manual and circuit diagrmas for this unit, so at least 
> I can get a qualified 
> technician to fix it??
> Regards from downunder
> Robert
> 
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat May  8 01:11:58 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 18:11:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] dolby unit
Message-ID: <13402-409C17BE-11344@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>

i just got a outboard dolby unit working with meters.its an CONCORD DBA
10.it has rec. and play calibration.i dont need it.does anybody want it
or should i put it on e-bay.

thank you very much,
gerald



From paulkoo at comcast.net  Fri May  7 18:07:16 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 16:07:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] old folks
Message-ID: <050720041607.17603.409BB434000E35A2000044C32200750784FF909094938A9E@comcast.net>

Hi Kannan,

Just so happen that I was listening to my wife's iPOD last night (AAC @320 bps).  The sound is really passable as compared to CDs.  Perhaps this make me a young person?  I have connected the iPOD to my main system with fair results. If you were to entertain at home the iPOD works better than a CD juke box and definitely better than flipping cassettes every 45 minutes.

Paul (turning 50)
> Fred
>  I can define the Young as one who can listen iPOD for serious listening like my 
> son. He listens to his Punk Rock/ rap bands music using MP3 player from his 
> computer through his Bose Roomate speakers quite loudly. he even connected my 
> main stereo to his computer sometimes- to listen to his MP3s. He doesnot care 
> how it sounds but it should be pretty loud!
> In that sense 40 years old is young????? . 
> I have a minidisc player for listening during my exercise walk in the late 
> evening as nothing else would be as convenient as that though!
> kannan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2004 3:20 pm
> Subject: [naktalk] old folks
> 
> > Well, I'm 40 (is that middle aged yet?) and I have two Naks and an 
> > iPod. I love
> > them all. The iPod is great when I'm working on the house as it 
> > slips into the
> > toolbelt and gives me 10 straight hours of music. Try that with a Nak.
> > 
> > On the other hand, it also sounds like an MP3 player, so when I 
> > want to turn up
> > the system, turn down the lights and drift away into the music I 
> > use my Naks.
> > Try that with iPod.
> > 
> > That said, the AAC format that Apple is using now really does 
> > sound pretty good.
> > I'm not giving up tapes, though.
> > best wishes,
> > Fred
> > --- Tadas wrote:
> > Kannan,
> > 
> > Thanks, now I feel much older :) And you are absolutely right, 15-
> > 20 year
> > olds usually use computers and other digital "devices" for music 
> > recordingand listening. And we need to stock up enough quantity of 
> > cassettes for the
> > future. I already made that and still keep buying :)
> > 
> > Tadas
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri May  7 19:07:00 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 12:07:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
Message-ID: <409BC234.7040706@verizon.net>

Folks,

Lately, I've been trying to stockpile metal tapes as I find they're 
quickly becoming less available; more quickly than I anticipated. The 
Sony Metal-SR's at Sam Goody's are gone in the last day or two. One 
quandry I'm caught up in is whether or not I want to purchase any 
"premium" metals like the MA-XG or the MA-EX. All of my experience with 
metals are with the TDK MA, Fuji FR Metal, Maxell MX, and Maxell MX-S. 
Years ago, I had used the MA-X and the MA-R. But, thats it. My 
"standard" metal and best frame of reference is the TDK MA. The question 
I put to all of you is "Are the premium metal tapes worth it ?"
Here's some data for you to peruse which compares some of the various 
metals with the good 'ole TDK MA as a reference.

Tape                    TDK MA    Sony Metal Master    TDK MA-XG    TDK 
MA-EX
                   
Coercitivity            1160                1150                        
    1140                    1160
Remanence             3200                3600                        
     3400                    3200
MOL @ 315 HZ    +6.5dB            +7.5dB                        
+7.5dB                +6.5dB
MOL @ 10kHz        0dB               +2dB                            
+0.5dB                0dB

As you can see, there's not alot of difference in specs. The numbers for 
the MA-EX lead me to wonder if this is simply MA or MA-X tape in a 
higher quality shell (?). Are they worth the $7.50 per tape starting 
price on eBay ? The famous MA-XG looks a bit better. And the Sony Metal 
Master is impressive.
I wish I had these same numbers for the MX-S, MA-X, and the Fuji FR Metal.
I'm not trying to draw absolute conclusions here, just comparing. 
Sometimes, the specs don't tell everything.

Lastly, I'm looking for MA-X and some (slightly) better priced MA-EX 
blanks if anyone knows of sources.

Mark         



From sharpei at verizon.net  Sat May  8 20:15:45 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 13:15:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 & TDK SA-X Headroom
Message-ID: <409D23D1.2050304@verizon.net>

I thought I'd ask everyone with manual or semi-auto calibrating Naks how 
they adjust the bias and level cal when using TDK SA or SA-X tape ?

I've always had headroom problems with TDK SA-X and my ZX-7. This is one 
of ESLabs' restoration overhaul machines I bought almost 3 years ago. 
The problem I have is high freq rolloff with the SA-X tape. I'm 99.9% 
sure its not an alignment problem because (1) the deck has always done 
it, even when I first bought it; (2) I align the deck yearly with Teac 
and Nak calibration tapes - which doesn't change the behavior; and (3) 
it doesn't do it with Maxell XLII & XLII-S tapes.
I've tried different methods of calibrating the deck when I use SA-X (a 
tape I've traditionally liked) and about the only way I get good 
source/tape monitoring matches is by calibrating the level to between 0 
to +1dB and the bias cal to approx +3dB indicated meter level. Now, 
decreasing the bias current theoretically increases distortion in the 
recording although I don't notice it at +3dB (indicated - no idea what 
the real level is) and it sounds like proper high freq response.
I do believe the SA & SA-X formulation needs a higher bias current the 
Maxell XLII/XLII-S formulations and I wonder if that higher bias current 
limits the headroom.
Just thought I'd ask if anyone else has a similar problem; if so, how do 
you handle it ?

Mark


From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat May  8 22:37:52 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat,  8 May 2004 22:37:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
Message-ID: <5852510.1084048672464.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

Don't underestimate the worth of a good quality shell - one of the problems with the current European batches of the TDK SA is indifferent quality control on a poorly designed cheap shell, which affects the azimuth alignment of tape to record head.
Graham





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Message date : May 08 2004, 10:13 AM
>From : "Mark & Michelle Barrett" 
To : "NakTalk" , "Kannan (NakTalk)" , "K.J. Bleus" , BADANTH at aol.com, "Mark Hugo" , "Stephen Sank" , "NakTalk" 
Copy to : 
Subject : [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
Folks,

Lately, I've been trying to stockpile metal tapes as I find they're 
quickly becoming less available; more quickly than I anticipated. The 
Sony Metal-SR's at Sam Goody's are gone in the last day or two. One 
quandry I'm caught up in is whether or not I want to purchase any 
"premium" metals like the MA-XG or the MA-EX. All of my experience with 
metals are with the TDK MA, Fuji FR Metal, Maxell MX, and Maxell MX-S. 
Years ago, I had used the MA-X and the MA-R. But, thats it. My 
"standard" metal and best frame of reference is the TDK MA. The question 
I put to all of you is "Are the premium metal tapes worth it ?"
Here's some data for you to peruse which compares some of the various 
metals with the good 'ole TDK MA as a reference.

Tape TDK MA Sony Metal Master TDK MA-XG TDK 
MA-EX

Coercitivity 1160 1150 
1140 1160
Remanence 3200 3600 
3400 3200
MOL @ 315 HZ +6.5dB +7.5dB 
+7.5dB +6.5dB
MOL @ 10kHz 0dB +2dB 
+0.5dB 0dB

As you can see, there's not alot of difference in specs. The numbers for 
the MA-EX lead me to wonder if this is simply MA or MA-X tape in a 
higher quality shell (?). Are they worth the $7.50 per tape starting 
price on eBay ? The famous MA-XG looks a bit better. And the Sony Metal 
Master is impressive.
I wish I had these same numbers for the MX-S, MA-X, and the Fuji FR Metal.
I'm not trying to draw absolute conclusions here, just comparing. 
Sometimes, the specs don't tell everything.

Lastly, I'm looking for MA-X and some (slightly) better priced MA-EX 
blanks if anyone knows of sources.

Mark 

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun May  9 10:21:07 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 10:21:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
Message-ID: <s09e0622.001@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Very true Graham,

This is part, and an important part of what makes the BASF tapes so special to my mind, in particular the CMII and the TPII (roughly parallel with SA-X and SM-X respectively).

Cheers,

Marc

>>> Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> 05/08/04 10:37PM >>>
Don't underestimate the worth of a good quality shell - one of the problems with the current European batches of the TDK SA is indifferent quality control on a poorly designed cheap shell, which affects the azimuth alignment of tape to record head.
Graham





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Message date : May 08 2004, 10:13 AM
>From : "Mark & Michelle Barrett" 
To : "NakTalk" , "Kannan (NakTalk)" , "K.J. Bleus" , BADANTH at aol.com, "Mark Hugo" , "Stephen Sank" , "NakTalk" 
Copy to : 
Subject : [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
Folks,

Lately, I've been trying to stockpile metal tapes as I find they're 
quickly becoming less available; more quickly than I anticipated. The 
Sony Metal-SR's at Sam Goody's are gone in the last day or two. One 
quandry I'm caught up in is whether or not I want to purchase any 
"premium" metals like the MA-XG or the MA-EX. All of my experience with 
metals are with the TDK MA, Fuji FR Metal, Maxell MX, and Maxell MX-S. 
Years ago, I had used the MA-X and the MA-R. But, thats it. My 
"standard" metal and best frame of reference is the TDK MA. The question 
I put to all of you is "Are the premium metal tapes worth it ?"
Here's some data for you to peruse which compares some of the various 
metals with the good 'ole TDK MA as a reference.

Tape TDK MA Sony Metal Master TDK MA-XG TDK 
MA-EX

Coercitivity 1160 1150 
1140 1160
Remanence 3200 3600 
3400 3200
MOL @ 315 HZ +6.5dB +7.5dB 
+7.5dB +6.5dB
MOL @ 10kHz 0dB +2dB 
+0.5dB 0dB

As you can see, there's not alot of difference in specs. The numbers for 
the MA-EX lead me to wonder if this is simply MA or MA-X tape in a 
higher quality shell (?). Are they worth the $7.50 per tape starting 
price on eBay ? The famous MA-XG looks a bit better. And the Sony Metal 
Master is impressive.
I wish I had these same numbers for the MX-S, MA-X, and the Fuji FR Metal.
I'm not trying to draw absolute conclusions here, just comparing. 
Sometimes, the specs don't tell everything.

Lastly, I'm looking for MA-X and some (slightly) better priced MA-EX 
blanks if anyone knows of sources.

Mark 

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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sun May  9 13:02:27 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 07:02:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
In-Reply-To: <001a01c433ca$5ec3ff10$35773242@CopyTech>
References: <001a01c433ca$5ec3ff10$35773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040509061649.02463f58@pop.iquebec.com>

Quote from the article:

"Also, like wine, discs should be stored in a cool, dry place."

This is fundamentally wrong: wine should not be stored in a dry place. 
Cool, yes, but not dry, unless your only concern is the longevity of the 
labels on your bottles...

Opening quote from same article:

"Dan Koster was unpacking some of his more than 2,000 CDs after a move when 
he noticed something strange. Some of the discs, which he always took good 
care of, wouldn't play properly."

Interesting coincidence. Maybe he should have considered that his CD player 
possibly got out of alignment during the move before pressing the panic 
button regarding his entire CD collection...

IMHO, the "hold up to the light" test does not mean much about the age of a 
CD. Many brand new discs show lots of pinholes when you hold them up to the 
light. This is nothing new. It has been like that since CD first existed.

Don't know about CD-Rs but I am certainly not worried about the future of 
my collection of stamped CDs. To be honest, I am much more concerned about 
the influence of sloppy journalism on the citizens of this planet.

Cheers,

-Marc



At 20:29 2004/05/06, you wrote:
>Hello Fellows:
>
>Here I have a message from the Nak Doctor himself and asked very kindly to
>pass it on to you, guys.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <jeff at nakamichi.us>
>To: <copytec at coqui.net>
>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:09 AM
>Subject: CD rot?? YES!!
>
>
>Carlos,
>
>Feel free to pass this on to the guys.
>
>http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLOGY//XML/1700_High_Tech/233d65cc-7357-4bf1-bae7-97bb82206c8e.html
>
>Sincerely,
>Jeff Galin
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From ti at amb.org  Sun May  9 13:48:34 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 04:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040509061649.02463f58@pop.iquebec.com> from "Marc
	Denis" at May 09, 2004 07:02:27 AM
Message-ID: <200405091148.LAA29305@amb.org>

I won't comment on the original article in question, but "CD rot" is
a real problem with some CDs where the lacquer and certain chemicals
in the booklet reacts to cause corrosion of the aluminum media surface.
The damage is not "pinholes" but clearly discernable discoloration and
deterioration of the media.  See this article:

	http://foetusized.org/cdrot.html

If you do a Google search on "cd rot" you will also find other relavant
info.

-Ti
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Marc Denis writes:
> Don't know about CD-Rs but I am certainly not worried about the future of 
> my collection of stamped CDs. To be honest, I am much more concerned about 
> the influence of sloppy journalism on the citizens of this planet.



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon May 10 00:12:11 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:12:11 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4C4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I can certainly agree with that. I just discovered on the weekend that one
of my cd started to "rot", I was lucky to get it in time before it reached
the audio data and simply copied it to a Maxell recordable.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org]
Sent: Sunday, 9 May 2004 9:49 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!


I won't comment on the original article in question, but "CD rot" is
a real problem with some CDs where the lacquer and certain chemicals
in the booklet reacts to cause corrosion of the aluminum media surface.
The damage is not "pinholes" but clearly discernable discoloration and
deterioration of the media.  See this article:

	http://foetusized.org/cdrot.html

If you do a Google search on "cd rot" you will also find other relavant
info.

-Ti
-- 
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 |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
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   2 4 6

Marc Denis writes:
> Don't know about CD-Rs but I am certainly not worried about the future of 
> my collection of stamped CDs. To be honest, I am much more concerned about

> the influence of sloppy journalism on the citizens of this planet.

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon May 10 01:37:31 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:37:31 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4C7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Robert. I have a ZX9 and about 6 years ago it did the same thing. Can you
tell me what state are the fader and mute lamps are when you engage record
mode? From memory my unit would self-fade itself down and the mute lamp
would stay on constantly and eventually there would be a smell. The smell
came from the erase bias circuit, there are two offending AND YES THEY ARE
ORANGE caps. What happens is that the caps would stop working causing the
oscillating to cease and driving the transistors fully on - that's the
smell. I have a copy of the e-mail at home that was sent to me by the great
Stephen Sank - STEPHEN WHERE ARE YOU?, with the reference number of which
caps you need to replace. I will dig it up tonight and e-mail you as soon as
possible with the details.
 
    Take care for now.
    
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: GalloRF at aol.com [mailto:GalloRF at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 7 May 2004 11:50 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!


Greetings from Sydney Australia
I know know if this is the right way to enter into the forum so pls excuse
me if I've bypassed the correct protocols.
I am seeking assistance for repair of my Nak ZX-7. 
The Nak agents here have been changing like a revolving door and support for
a piece of 'old' equipment like this is non-existent. There are so called
'approved repairers' but they are new folk appointed by the new agents and
sadly don't have access to the circuit diagrams or the service manuals. 
The unit was working fine up until a few months ago when in the process of
recording I noticed a sharp pungent smell coming from the unit. When I
turned off the unit and replayed my recorded passage, all I got was noice,
similar to the noise you get when tuning in between radio stations. It will
not record now but plays back other tapes OK.
Can anyone out there shed some light on this anomaly. Where do I go to
secure a copy of the service manual and circuit diagrmas for this unit, so
at least I can get a qualified technician to fix it??
Regards from downunder
Robert  
 

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon May 10 06:50:30 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 21:50:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
References: <5852510.1084048672464.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <002201c4364a$5307b3b0$09773242@CopyTech>

When you are a former tape duplicator as I am, you'll understand how important is a good quality shell. The best use to be Shape Mark 10 that were widely used by Telarc. For an "everyday" use, Lenco was among the favorites, then came Michelex from Singapore and so on.

The difference was according to the recording process: in cassette or bin loop duplication. For in cassette, you don't have an idea how much important the shell quality was; sometimes more than the tape itself. Bin loop, well, the tape played a key part in the quality. Sonic welded C-0's could be used with good success. Not so with in-cassette recording machines; 5 screw type were imperative.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Graham Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 1:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes


  Don't underestimate the worth of a good quality shell - one of the problems with the current European batches of the TDK SA is indifferent quality control on a poorly designed cheap shell, which affects the azimuth alignment of tape to record head.

  Graham






    ========================================
    Message date : May 08 2004, 10:13 AM
    From : "Mark & Michelle Barrett" 
    To : "NakTalk" , "Kannan (NakTalk)" , "K.J. Bleus" , BADANTH at aol.com, "Mark Hugo" , "Stephen Sank" , "NakTalk" 
    Copy to : 
    Subject : [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
    Folks,

    Lately, I've been trying to stockpile metal tapes as I find they're 
    quickly becoming less available; more quickly than I anticipated. The 
    Sony Metal-SR's at Sam Goody's are gone in the last day or two. One 
    quandry I'm caught up in is whether or not I want to purchase any 
    "premium" metals like the MA-XG or the MA-EX. All of my experience with 
    metals are with the TDK MA, Fuji FR Metal, Maxell MX, and Maxell MX-S. 
    Years ago, I had used the MA-X and the MA-R. But, thats it. My 
    "standard" metal and best frame of reference is the TDK MA. The question 
    I put to all of you is "Are the premium metal tapes worth it ?"
    Here's some data for you to peruse which compares some of the various 
    metals with the good 'ole TDK MA as a reference.

    Tape TDK MA Sony Metal Master TDK MA-XG TDK 
    MA-EX

    Coercitivity 1160 1150 
    1140 1160
    Remanence 3200 3600 
    3400 3200
    MOL @ 315 HZ +6.5dB +7.5dB 
    +7.5dB +6.5dB
    MOL @ 10kHz 0dB +2dB 
    +0.5dB 0dB

    As you can see, there's not alot of difference in specs. The numbers for 
    the MA-EX lead me to wonder if this is simply MA or MA-X tape in a 
    higher quality shell (?). Are they worth the $7.50 per tape starting 
    price on eBay ? The famous MA-XG looks a bit better. And the Sony Metal 
    Master is impressive.
    I wish I had these same numbers for the MX-S, MA-X, and the Fuji FR Metal.
    I'm not trying to draw absolute conclusions here, just comparing. 
    Sometimes, the specs don't tell everything.

    Lastly, I'm looking for MA-X and some (slightly) better priced MA-EX 
    blanks if anyone knows of sources.

    Mark 

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon May 10 11:42:53 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:42:53 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4D2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Robert. I dug up the document and found the info, however, the document does
not refer to the actual capacitor number - eg C101, but it does tell me the
values. First of all the part of the circuit that is at fault is the
erase/bias oscillator and the capacitor values are 0.0047ufd/50v. When I was
working on my ZX9 I found that resistor R310 which is in that circuit was
giving off the smell, the two capacitors are right near the resistor. God
bless Nakamichi for clearly marking out on the PCB the different sections,
it won't take too long to find the circuit and yes it is on the main PCB.
 
    Let me know how you go.
 
    Cheers,
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 10 May 2004 9:38 AM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!


Hi Robert. I have a ZX9 and about 6 years ago it did the same thing. Can you
tell me what state are the fader and mute lamps are when you engage record
mode? From memory my unit would self-fade itself down and the mute lamp
would stay on constantly and eventually there would be a smell. The smell
came from the erase bias circuit, there are two offending AND YES THEY ARE
ORANGE caps. What happens is that the caps would stop working causing the
oscillating to cease and driving the transistors fully on - that's the
smell. I have a copy of the e-mail at home that was sent to me by the great
Stephen Sank - STEPHEN WHERE ARE YOU?, with the reference number of which
caps you need to replace. I will dig it up tonight and e-mail you as soon as
possible with the details.
 
    Take care for now.
    
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: GalloRF at aol.com [mailto:GalloRF at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 7 May 2004 11:50 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!


Greetings from Sydney Australia
I know know if this is the right way to enter into the forum so pls excuse
me if I've bypassed the correct protocols.
I am seeking assistance for repair of my Nak ZX-7. 
The Nak agents here have been changing like a revolving door and support for
a piece of 'old' equipment like this is non-existent. There are so called
'approved repairers' but they are new folk appointed by the new agents and
sadly don't have access to the circuit diagrams or the service manuals. 
The unit was working fine up until a few months ago when in the process of
recording I noticed a sharp pungent smell coming from the unit. When I
turned off the unit and replayed my recorded passage, all I got was noice,
similar to the noise you get when tuning in between radio stations. It will
not record now but plays back other tapes OK.
Can anyone out there shed some light on this anomaly. Where do I go to
secure a copy of the service manual and circuit diagrmas for this unit, so
at least I can get a qualified technician to fix it??
Regards from downunder
Robert  
 

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From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com  Mon May 10 14:58:28 2004
From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 07:58:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
Message-ID: <D594367B02A8994A92A6B36C734CFA610D6FD7@uec16.ue.com>

it is unfortunate & disheartening to realize that this medium, intially
touted as the last word on prerecorded music & basically bulletproof,
subscribes to the same ol' syndrome of obsolensce (planned?) where 1/10
of a lousy cent per lot is saved by, among other things, not giving the
vunerable label side of CDs & CD-Rs alittle extra protection & thus extending
it's life tenfold or more. music deserves better than that. there, i feel
better now.
a

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 5:12 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!


I can certainly agree with that. I just discovered on the weekend that one
of my cd started to "rot", I was lucky to get it in time before it reached
the audio data and simply copied it to a Maxell recordable.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ti Kan [mailto:ti at amb.org]
Sent: Sunday, 9 May 2004 9:49 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!


I won't comment on the original article in question, but "CD rot" is
a real problem with some CDs where the lacquer and certain chemicals
in the booklet reacts to cause corrosion of the aluminum media surface.
The damage is not "pinholes" but clearly discernable discoloration and
deterioration of the media.  See this article:

	http://foetusized.org/cdrot.html

If you do a Google search on "cd rot" you will also find other relavant
info.

-Ti
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   2 4 6

Marc Denis writes:
> Don't know about CD-Rs but I am certainly not worried about the future of 
> my collection of stamped CDs. To be honest, I am much more concerned about

> the influence of sloppy journalism on the citizens of this planet.

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun May  9 18:24:19 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 11:24:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] outboard dolby encoder
Message-ID: <16247-409E5B33-311@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>

hi,i just got  a dolby encoding unit,Concord dba 10.i am wondering if
anyone uses these and if they may be better quality than the dolby
circuit in a NAK.thisone has record/play calibration and V.U.
meters.also,is dolby for cassette only,or can i use this unit to encode
for my reel to reel?

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue May 11 00:23:18 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:23:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] rewinding / F.F.' ing NAK
Message-ID: <16252-40A000D6-77@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>

hi,last night i just ruined a nice akai deck by dropping it out of the
truck onto the asphalt.i guess i was due a sacrifice to the audio
gods-but it still rewinds and F.F's very well,and that got me to
thinking,and i just wanted to see if this is a sToOpiD idea or a good
one;why not save wear and tear on my revered,exalted and cherished
RX-303 and use this AKai unit as a dedicated rewinder/F.F'er like those
units they sell for the V.C.R. Also,still looking for info on the dolby
encoding unit i picked up-can i use it for reel to reel? for NAK?

thank you very much,
gerald



From jochi at qwest.net  Tue May 11 01:14:07 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:14:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
References: <s09e0622.001@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000b01c436e4$7f0cb880$0400000a@uswest.net>

Marc,

I have read that the main difference between SA-X and SM mastering tape is
that the SM has a better anti-resonance shell than SA-X.

In the same article, the author states the same comparison with Maxell--the
MS mastering tape is XL-II with a better anti-resonance shell.

http://www.audiotools.com/cass.html

In your E-mail you mention Emtec as having good shells.  What is the
difference between the shells of CMII  and TPII?  And by the way, TPII is I
believe also called Reference II Maxima.  Am I right on this?

What are you calling CMII?  Emtec makes a Reference II Master which is a
type II chrome tape, and Emtec makes a Chrome Extra which is a chrome type
ii tape also.  The Reference II Master is superier to the Chrome Extra
although the Chrome Extra does have a very smooth running shell.

But what is the difference between the Reference
II Master and the Reference II Maxima?  Is the difference mainly in shells
or what?

Thank you for any light you can shed
on this.

Regards,
Jon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes


> Very true Graham,
>
> This is part, and an important part of what makes the BASF tapes so
special to my mind, in particular the CMII and the TPII (roughly parallel
with SA-X and SM-X respectively).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
> >>> Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> 05/08/04 10:37PM >>>
> Don't underestimate the worth of a good quality shell - one of the
problems with the current European batches of the TDK SA is indifferent
quality control on a poorly designed cheap shell, which affects the azimuth
alignment of tape to record head.
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>
> ========================================
> Message date : May 08 2004, 10:13 AM
> >From : "Mark & Michelle Barrett"
> To : "NakTalk" , "Kannan (NakTalk)" , "K.J. Bleus" , BADANTH at aol.com,
"Mark Hugo" , "Stephen Sank" , "NakTalk"
> Copy to :
> Subject : [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
> Folks,
>
> Lately, I've been trying to stockpile metal tapes as I find they're
> quickly becoming less available; more quickly than I anticipated. The
> Sony Metal-SR's at Sam Goody's are gone in the last day or two. One
> quandry I'm caught up in is whether or not I want to purchase any
> "premium" metals like the MA-XG or the MA-EX. All of my experience with
> metals are with the TDK MA, Fuji FR Metal, Maxell MX, and Maxell MX-S.
> Years ago, I had used the MA-X and the MA-R. But, thats it. My
> "standard" metal and best frame of reference is the TDK MA. The question
> I put to all of you is "Are the premium metal tapes worth it ?"
> Here's some data for you to peruse which compares some of the various
> metals with the good 'ole TDK MA as a reference.
>
> Tape TDK MA Sony Metal Master TDK MA-XG TDK
> MA-EX
>
> Coercitivity 1160 1150
> 1140 1160
> Remanence 3200 3600
> 3400 3200
> MOL @ 315 HZ +6.5dB +7.5dB
> +7.5dB +6.5dB
> MOL @ 10kHz 0dB +2dB
> +0.5dB 0dB
>
> As you can see, there's not alot of difference in specs. The numbers for
> the MA-EX lead me to wonder if this is simply MA or MA-X tape in a
> higher quality shell (?). Are they worth the $7.50 per tape starting
> price on eBay ? The famous MA-XG looks a bit better. And the Sony Metal
> Master is impressive.
> I wish I had these same numbers for the MX-S, MA-X, and the Fuji FR Metal.
> I'm not trying to draw absolute conclusions here, just comparing.
> Sometimes, the specs don't tell everything.
>
> Lastly, I'm looking for MA-X and some (slightly) better priced MA-EX
> blanks if anyone knows of sources.
>
> Mark
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Tue May 11 13:47:52 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:47:52 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] rewinding / F.F.' ing NAK
References: <16252-40A000D6-77@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000901c4374d$ca915c70$c0814f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

im sure it can be used with reel2reel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 11:23 PM
Subject: [naktalk] rewinding / F.F.' ing NAK


> hi,last night i just ruined a nice akai deck by dropping it out of the
> truck onto the asphalt.i guess i was due a sacrifice to the audio
> gods-but it still rewinds and F.F's very well,and that got me to
> thinking,and i just wanted to see if this is a sToOpiD idea or a good
> one;why not save wear and tear on my revered,exalted and cherished
> RX-303 and use this AKai unit as a dedicated rewinder/F.F'er like those
> units they sell for the V.C.R. Also,still looking for info on the dolby
> encoding unit i picked up-can i use it for reel to reel? for NAK?
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From sad124 at wowway.com  Sun May  9 00:03:57 2004
From: sad124 at wowway.com (Scott Duncan)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:03:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
Message-ID: <000801c43548$5cba7ee0$f9c12f45@VALUED20606295>

I'm sure this has been asked before. But, What is the difference between the CR-7, CR-7A?
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From jmcalli at yahoo.com  Tue May 11 14:21:28 2004
From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 05:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] outboard dolby encoder
In-Reply-To: <16247-409E5B33-311@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20040511122128.27064.qmail@web41303.mail.yahoo.com>

I suspect you can use it with your reel-to-reel.  I
have a Teac outboard Dolby B that I use with my Teac
reel-to-reel.  Your Concord unit sounds similar to my
Teac.

James

--- "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net> wrote:
> hi,i just got  a dolby encoding unit,Concord dba
> 10.i am wondering if
> anyone uses these and if they may be better quality
> than the dolby
> circuit in a NAK.thisone has record/play calibration
> and V.U.
> meters.also,is dolby for cassette only,or can i use
> this unit to encode
> for my reel to reel?
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
> 
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue May 11 15:00:44 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:00:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
In-Reply-To: <000801c43548$5cba7ee0$f9c12f45@VALUED20606295>
References: <000801c43548$5cba7ee0$f9c12f45@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <40A0CE7C.8040906@rcn.com>

Scott Duncan wrote:
> I'm sure this has been asked before. But, What is the difference between the CR-7, CR-7A?

The CR-7A is designed for the American market (115VAC). The
CR-7E is designed for the European market (either 220VAC or
240VAC). CR-7 has dual primary power transformer with a
110VAC-220VAC selector switch. Other than the power
transformer, main fuse and said switch, all these models
are alike.

-- Ron





From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Tue May 11 15:11:44 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:11:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] outboard dolby encoder
In-Reply-To: <16247-409E5B33-311@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
References: <16247-409E5B33-311@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040511090150.0299bec0@pop.iquebec.com>

Gerald,

I used to own an outboard Dolby unit (Teac AN-180) which I was using with 
an open-reel deck (Revox A-77 Mk III). They worked fine together. However, 
you need a Dolby Level 400 Hz Playback Calibration tape to get the pair to 
effectively work together before getting into Record Calibration mode using 
the 400 Hz oscillator which should normally be built into the outboard 
Dolby unit. The calibration tape may be costly to get. My old Teac unit 
came with calibration tapes in both cassette and open-reel formats. I sold 
off everything some 25 years ago and obviously sold the essential 
calibration tapes as part of the package.

I don't think there is any advantage in using this unit instead of the one 
built into your Nak decks. In case you are wondering, if the unit only says 
"Dolby System", this is "Dolby B".

Regards,

-Marc


At 12:24 2004/05/09, you wrote:
>hi,i just got  a dolby encoding unit,Concord dba 10.i am wondering if
>anyone uses these and if they may be better quality than the dolby
>circuit in a NAK.thisone has record/play calibration and V.U.
>meters.also,is dolby for cassette only,or can i use this unit to encode
>for my reel to reel?
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Tue May 11 14:59:45 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:59:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] rewinding / F.F.' ing NAK
In-Reply-To: <16252-40A000D6-77@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
References: <16252-40A000D6-77@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040511083808.024b5ac0@pop.iquebec.com>

Gerald,

regarding the use of the Akai deck to rewind your cassettes and save wear 
and tear on the RX-303, bear in mind that, depending on the condition of 
the Akai deck, you may increase the wear and tear on your precious tapes by 
doing so. Personnally, I would not bother, or take the chance, depending 
how you look at it.

Regards,

-Marc


At 18:23 2004/05/10, you wrote:
>hi,last night i just ruined a nice akai deck by dropping it out of the
>truck onto the asphalt.i guess i was due a sacrifice to the audio
>gods-but it still rewinds and F.F's very well,and that got me to
>thinking,and i just wanted to see if this is a sToOpiD idea or a good
>one;why not save wear and tear on my revered,exalted and cherished
>RX-303 and use this AKai unit as a dedicated rewinder/F.F'er like those
>units they sell for the V.C.R. Also,still looking for info on the dolby
>encoding unit i picked up-can i use it for reel to reel? for NAK?
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
>
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Tue May 11 15:23:18 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:23:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
In-Reply-To: <000801c43548$5cba7ee0$f9c12f45@VALUED20606295>
References: <000801c43548$5cba7ee0$f9c12f45@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040511091227.0294b5b0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 18:03 2004/05/08, you wrote:
>I'm sure this has been asked before. But, What is the difference between 
>the CR-7, CR-7A?

Scott,

"A" stands for "America". It identifies the unit as meeting the electrical 
and safety standards of North America. Performance is the same. 
Unoffically, this was an easy way to spot a gray market unit that may have 
creeped into the USA. In Canada, units with and without the "A" were sold 
through the official channels.

There were also a CR-7E and a CR-7O sold in other countries.

Regards,

-Marc




From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Tue May 11 20:43:41 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:43:41 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] ergonomics
Message-ID: <22809705@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Tue May 11 21:14:13 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:14:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ergonomics
References: <22809705@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <SEA2-DAV59w0NRehQNL0000b912@hotmail.com>

Hello Fred,
you are totally right...
Though it is not about Naks, but sorry, I must shout it:
Nowadays many guys doesn't even know how a simple machine works.
It IS terrible...
Too much automated parts take away all the fun of "tweaking" machines.
Referring to the same issue: nowadays many car-drivers does not know how to
change a battery in their car. Of course, cars are usually reliable this
time.
But many people DOES believe that the computers and the automatics will
solve ANY problems for them. And sometimes it results in tragedy. Just
because people does not know what is Physics all about..

Sorry for crying...
István
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
To: <Naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:19 PM
Subject: [naktalk] ergonomics


> Hi all,
> Ever since Alex posted his light-hearted complaints about his Dragon's
> ergonomics, I've been thinking about this subject. I currently have an
LX-3
> stacked on top of a Luxman KX-102. Granted, the Nak is a simpler deck in
terms
> of features, but nonetheless it is a laid out in a way that is logical.
The
> controls are easy to see and manipulate. I can't really say the same about
the
> Luxman, though I love it dearly. Some controls on this deck (I
affectionately
> call it The Lirpa) are hard to see and some indicators lights are quite
distant
> from the switches that control them. So, I would say the Nak has good
ergonomics
> while the Lux does not. However, I wouldn't say that either one is "easy
to
> use".
>
> In other words, you have to know at least a little bit about what you're
doing
> when you use either one of these machines. You have to have read the
owner's
> manual and it helps to understand how magnetic tape works in principle.
These
> days, I think a lot of people just don't care how things work. I know for
a fact
> most folks never read an owner's manual. As a result, designers jump
through all
> sorts of hoops to automate everything. I'm thinking, for example, of all
the
> technology that goes into making my VCR set its clock automatically.  Is
it
> really that hard to push a few buttons on a remote to get rid of the
blinking
> 12:00? No. It is not. But most people won't do it. And so we end up with
these
> complex machines that do all sorts of things behind the scenes that the
user
> can't control. (Think of Microsoft Word). This isn't ergonomics, this is
just
> dumbing down.
>
> Okay, off the soapbox and back to work.
> Happy listening everyone!
> Fred
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Wed May 12 02:05:17 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 00:05:17 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Fallen Akai
Message-ID: <22824115@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From bobf at oodg.net  Wed May 12 01:23:53 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:23:53 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
In-Reply-To: <000801c43548$5cba7ee0$f9c12f45@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <200405112323.AWD50668@ms9.netsolmail.com>

As someone who has owned both I remember the CR-7 being available 
when I purchased my CR-5.  I was planning to trade my CR-5 in for 
a CR-7 but the dealer suggested I wait for the CR-7A.  I did wait 
for about 5 years then held off again with the announcement of the 
CR-7AII.

As for changes the CR-7 to CR-7A added more noise filtering in the 
power section but not much more.  The CR-7AII was a complete upgrade.

I have been very happy with the CR-7AII and really like the ability to
record directly from tape to tape.

I still have my CR-7AII and the manuals if you want more information 
on that.

Bob Folline

________________________________

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Duncan
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 15:04
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
	
	
I'm sure this has been asked before. But, What is the difference between the
CR-7, CR-7A?





From bobobozo at netzero.com  Tue May 11 23:39:06 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:39:06 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] cd to tape
Message-ID: <20040511.143908.27881.196974@webmail20.lax.untd.com>


Ok:
  One you expert gurus out there can walk me through this one:
  1. We get CDs with 100 db etc. and all the aliasing and such.
   2. Often they sound better when put on tape...ala Bob Carver and his tests years ago showing that euphonic distortion often is preferred. I think there is something to this.
   But here is the question:
    3. What do I really miss when I tape an alleged 100 db to a cassette whose specs are 50 db (60db with dolby) etc.
   Psycho-aucustically, I think very little, but does it mean that a tape deck recording at 60 db w/dolby is going to render a CD and LP the same?
   On that score, LPs usually sound better when recorded.
   Just something to kick around.
   thanks
     bob 


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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue May 11 15:39:57 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:39:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <409D23D1.2050304@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040511093640.03186e10@psulias.psu.edu>

Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the world I 
should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should on a DAT 
deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck can be had 
for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice XLIIs or similar 
tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they pretty stable?  



From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue May 11 19:48:20 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:48:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] outboard dolby encoder
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040511090150.0299bec0@pop.iquebec.com>
References: <16247-409E5B33-311@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
	<6.0.3.0.2.20040511090150.0299bec0@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <1084297700.40a111e405db3@mail.ce.net>

I have a TEAC AN-180 Dolby B unit with calibration reel of tape and owners 
manual if anybody is interestwd in buying same.

John T.

Quoting Marc Denis <marcdenis at iquebec.com>:

> Gerald,
> 
> I used to own an outboard Dolby unit (Teac AN-180) which I was using with 
> an open-reel deck (Revox A-77 Mk III). They worked fine together. However, 
> you need a Dolby Level 400 Hz Playback Calibration tape to get the pair to 
> effectively work together before getting into Record Calibration mode using
> 
> the 400 Hz oscillator which should normally be built into the outboard 
> Dolby unit. The calibration tape may be costly to get. My old Teac unit 
> came with calibration tapes in both cassette and open-reel formats. I sold 
> off everything some 25 years ago and obviously sold the essential 
> calibration tapes as part of the package.
> 
> I don't think there is any advantage in using this unit instead of the one 
> built into your Nak decks. In case you are wondering, if the unit only says
> 
> "Dolby System", this is "Dolby B".
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Marc
> 
> 
> At 12:24 2004/05/09, you wrote:
> >hi,i just got  a dolby encoding unit,Concord dba 10.i am wondering if
> >anyone uses these and if they may be better quality than the dolby
> >circuit in a NAK.thisone has record/play calibration and V.U.
> >meters.also,is dolby for cassette only,or can i use this unit to encode
> >for my reel to reel?
> >
> >thank you very much,
> >gerald
> >
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From kemppie at studenten.net  Wed May 12 10:10:09 2004
From: kemppie at studenten.net (kemppie)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:10:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
References: <200405112323.AWD50668@ms9.netsolmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c437f8$8b3770e0$9600000a@lan>

Hello,

I have a CR-7E(urope). Is there a difference between this machine and yours
?
Could you sent me the spec of your machine.
Sent it if you would to kemppie at hetnet.nl (10 mb)

Laurens
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Folline" <bobf at oodg.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:23 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7


> As someone who has owned both I remember the CR-7 being available
> when I purchased my CR-5.  I was planning to trade my CR-5 in for
> a CR-7 but the dealer suggested I wait for the CR-7A.  I did wait
> for about 5 years then held off again with the announcement of the
> CR-7AII.
>
> As for changes the CR-7 to CR-7A added more noise filtering in the
> power section but not much more.  The CR-7AII was a complete upgrade.
>
> I have been very happy with the CR-7AII and really like the ability to
> record directly from tape to tape.
>
> I still have my CR-7AII and the manuals if you want more information
> on that.
>
> Bob Folline
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Duncan
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 15:04
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
>
>
> I'm sure this has been asked before. But, What is the difference between
the
> CR-7, CR-7A?
>
>
>
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Wed May 12 14:11:16 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:11:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
In-Reply-To: <200405112323.AWD50668@ms9.netsolmail.com>
References: <000801c43548$5cba7ee0$f9c12f45@VALUED20606295>
	<200405112323.AWD50668@ms9.netsolmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040512080857.02860900@pop.iquebec.com>

Bob,

never heard of a CR-7AII before. Do you mind sending a picture, details? 
Thanks.

Regards,

-Marc



At 19:23 2004/05/11, you wrote:
>As someone who has owned both I remember the CR-7 being available
>when I purchased my CR-5.  I was planning to trade my CR-5 in for
>a CR-7 but the dealer suggested I wait for the CR-7A.  I did wait
>for about 5 years then held off again with the announcement of the
>CR-7AII.
>
>As for changes the CR-7 to CR-7A added more noise filtering in the
>power section but not much more.  The CR-7AII was a complete upgrade.
>
>I have been very happy with the CR-7AII and really like the ability to
>record directly from tape to tape.
>
>I still have my CR-7AII and the manuals if you want more information
>on that.
>
>Bob Folline




From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Wed May 12 15:59:03 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 06:59:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
References: <200405112323.AWD50668@ms9.netsolmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001c43829$48deebc0$521d0cd0@r7g1f8>

What is a CR-7AII ?? I've never hear of that model.

Randall
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Folline" <bobf at oodg.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7


> As someone who has owned both I remember the CR-7 being available
> when I purchased my CR-5.  I was planning to trade my CR-5 in for
> a CR-7 but the dealer suggested I wait for the CR-7A.  I did wait
> for about 5 years then held off again with the announcement of the
> CR-7AII.
>
> As for changes the CR-7 to CR-7A added more noise filtering in the
> power section but not much more.  The CR-7AII was a complete upgrade.
>
> I have been very happy with the CR-7AII and really like the ability to
> record directly from tape to tape.
>
> I still have my CR-7AII and the manuals if you want more information
> on that.
>
> Bob Folline
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Duncan
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 15:04
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
>
>
> I'm sure this has been asked before. But, What is the difference between
the
> CR-7, CR-7A?
>
>
>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed May 12 16:24:07 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:24:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
In-Reply-To: <200405112323.AWD50668@ms9.netsolmail.com>
References: <200405112323.AWD50668@ms9.netsolmail.com>
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Bob, you must be mistaken. I have a service manual for the
CR-7, CR-7A and CR-7E. The ONLY difference is in the power
transformer and fuse rating, plus a slide switch in the
CR-7. See my previous response in this thread.

In addition, I have never heard of a CR-7II. I would be much
interested in any details you can come up with -- specs,
brochure, etc. Much obliged,

-- Ron


Bob Folline wrote:
> As someone who has owned both I remember the CR-7 being available 
> when I purchased my CR-5.  I was planning to trade my CR-5 in for 
> a CR-7 but the dealer suggested I wait for the CR-7A.  I did wait 
> for about 5 years then held off again with the announcement of the 
> CR-7AII.
> 
> As for changes the CR-7 to CR-7A added more noise filtering in the 
> power section but not much more.  The CR-7AII was a complete upgrade.
> 
> I have been very happy with the CR-7AII and really like the ability to
> record directly from tape to tape.
> 
> I still have my CR-7AII and the manuals if you want more information 
> on that.
> 
> Bob Folline
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Duncan
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 15:04
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
> 	
> 	
> I'm sure this has been asked before. But, What is the difference between the
> CR-7, CR-7A?




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed May 12 19:44:57 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:44:57 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040511093640.03186e10@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <002601c43848$d77227c0$f2d54c51@oemcomputer>

But there are DATs and there are DATs, some sounding much better than
others.  All depends on their in-built DAC.  Some would argue, for example,
that the early Sony DATs sound far far better than the more modern ones.

Gra'

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> Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
>
>
> Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in
> the world I
> should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should on a DAT
> deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck can be had
> for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice XLIIs or similar
> tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they pretty
> stable?
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed May 12 17:44:59 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:44:59 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] outboard dolby encoder
Message-ID: <BAY18-F486QR7j1HaKt0001b9f2@hotmail.com>

Lovely Folks!

I really agree with Marc!

Any Built IN Dolby B noise reduction, inside any expensive Nakamichi unit, 
is very reliable and do not need to be improved, and much easier to 
calibrate also!

Enjoy your Nak...!

ALEX!





>From: Marc Denis <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] outboard dolby encoder
>Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:11:44 -0400
>
>Gerald,
>
>I used to own an outboard Dolby unit (Teac AN-180) which I was using with 
>an open-reel deck (Revox A-77 Mk III). They worked fine together. However, 
>you need a Dolby Level 400 Hz Playback Calibration tape to get the pair to 
>effectively work together before getting into Record Calibration mode using 
>the 400 Hz oscillator which should normally be built into the outboard 
>Dolby unit. The calibration tape may be costly to get. My old Teac unit 
>came with calibration tapes in both cassette and open-reel formats. I sold 
>off everything some 25 years ago and obviously sold the essential 
>calibration tapes as part of the package.
>
>I don't think there is any advantage in using this unit instead of the one 
>built into your Nak decks. In case you are wondering, if the unit only says 
>"Dolby System", this is "Dolby B".
>
>Regards,
>
>-Marc
>
>
>At 12:24 2004/05/09, you wrote:
>>hi,i just got  a dolby encoding unit,Concord dba 10.i am wondering if
>>anyone uses these and if they may be better quality than the dolby
>>circuit in a NAK.thisone has record/play calibration and V.U.
>>meters.also,is dolby for cassette only,or can i use this unit to encode
>>for my reel to reel?
>>
>>thank you very much,
>>gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed May 12 18:01:31 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:01:31 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] ergonomics
Message-ID: <BAY18-F43Ga2sVFkrDE0001bacf@hotmail.com>

Lovely Fred!

After reading 5 times the received Owner Manual, NOW...Y really enjoy my 
Dragon!

My passed away Daddy, ALWAYS...teach me to read very well any Instruction 
(Stereo or Car per example!), before I intend to use it. So I always do what 
he teach me!

However, all of you must agree, that the Dragon Ergonometics, (Per 
example...NO Lights on Eg, Dolby in -out, B or C...etc), really till today I 
can not understand the WHY Niro do not load such conveniences?.

However...the RESULTS...is what acount! And such RESULTS...are Superb!!!

Happy Listening!

ALEX!





>From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] ergonomics
>Date: 11 May 2004 11:19:06 PDT
>
>Hi all,
>Ever since Alex posted his light-hearted complaints about his Dragon's
>ergonomics, I've been thinking about this subject. I currently have an LX-3
>stacked on top of a Luxman KX-102. Granted, the Nak is a simpler deck in 
>terms
>of features, but nonetheless it is a laid out in a way that is logical. The
>controls are easy to see and manipulate. I can't really say the same about 
>the
>Luxman, though I love it dearly. Some controls on this deck (I 
>affectionately
>call it The Lirpa) are hard to see and some indicators lights are quite 
>distant
>from the switches that control them. So, I would say the Nak has good 
>ergonomics
>while the Lux does not. However, I wouldn't say that either one is "easy to
>use".
>
>In other words, you have to know at least a little bit about what you're 
>doing
>when you use either one of these machines. You have to have read the 
>owner's
>manual and it helps to understand how magnetic tape works in principle. 
>These
>days, I think a lot of people just don't care how things work. I know for a 
>fact
>most folks never read an owner's manual. As a result, designers jump 
>through all
>sorts of hoops to automate everything. I'm thinking, for example, of all 
>the
>technology that goes into making my VCR set its clock automatically.  Is it
>really that hard to push a few buttons on a remote to get rid of the 
>blinking
>12:00? No. It is not. But most people won't do it. And so we end up with 
>these
>complex machines that do all sorts of things behind the scenes that the 
>user
>can't control. (Think of Microsoft Word). This isn't ergonomics, this is 
>just
>dumbing down.
>
>Okay, off the soapbox and back to work.
>Happy listening everyone!
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed May 12 18:14:24 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:14:24 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] outboard dolby encoder
Message-ID: <BAY18-F4uqPA1PWDDD90001be0a@hotmail.com>

Dear Gerald,

Sorry to write you the truth...!

You spell your money!

The built in Dolby on any modern Nak, is same or better that your Concord!

However...., enjoy playing.

Regards,

ALEX!





>From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] outboard dolby encoder
>Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 11:24:19 -0500
>
>hi,i just got  a dolby encoding unit,Concord dba 10.i am wondering if
>anyone uses these and if they may be better quality than the dolby
>circuit in a NAK.thisone has record/play calibration and V.U.
>meters.also,is dolby for cassette only,or can i use this unit to encode
>for my reel to reel?
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed May 12 19:54:52 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:54:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <002601c43848$d77227c0$f2d54c51@oemcomputer>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040511093640.03186e10@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040512135255.03199280@psulias.psu.edu>

I've been seeing Sony 75ES going for well under $100.
Is it even possible for a "cheap" DAT to sound worse than a high end 
cassette?  Not a rhetorical question, I really don't know. :)

At 06:44 PM 5/12/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>But there are DATs and there are DATs, some sounding much better than
>others.  All depends on their in-built DAC.  Some would argue, for example,
>that the early Sony DATs sound far far better than the more modern ones.
>
>Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> > Sent: 11 May 2004 14:40
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> > Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> >
> >
> > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in
> > the world I
> > should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should on a DAT
> > deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck can be had
> > for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice XLIIs or similar
> > tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they pretty
> > stable?
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed May 12 22:26:35 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:26:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040511093640.03186e10@psulias.psu.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040512135255.03199280@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <000e01c4385f$6becb4e0$fd934d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

just got rid of a dtc-1000es sony dat and it didnt sound any better than a
good nak
phill
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


> I've been seeing Sony 75ES going for well under $100.
> Is it even possible for a "cheap" DAT to sound worse than a high end
> cassette?  Not a rhetorical question, I really don't know. :)
>
> At 06:44 PM 5/12/2004 +0100, you wrote:
> >But there are DATs and there are DATs, some sounding much better than
> >others.  All depends on their in-built DAC.  Some would argue, for
example,
> >that the early Sony DATs sound far far better than the more modern ones.
> >
> >Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> > > Sent: 11 May 2004 14:40
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> > >
> > >
> > > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in
> > > the world I
> > > should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should on a
DAT
> > > deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck can be
had
> > > for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice XLIIs or similar
> > > tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they pretty
> > > stable?
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From bobf at oodg.net  Wed May 12 23:22:21 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:22:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
In-Reply-To: <40A23387.9040006@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <200405122121.AWG15233@ms9.netsolmail.com>

Ok All after going home to review my stuff I started scraping the 
egg off my face. The Nakamichi stuff is just now coming out of boxes 
for use.

My equipment has been in storage for three years and I "popped-off" 
from memory.  Please accept my humble apology.  I shuffled my 
CA-5 history for CA-7.  DOH!

Again sorry for the quick and inaccurate response.

Bob

------------------------------------------------
Long version below for those already not bored:

So here is the real story as told by my purchase records.
In 1985 I purchased a Nakamichi stack with the CA-5 control Amp.
I subsequently upgraded that to a PA-5 to a PA-7. The CA-5A was 
available then and they were to have upgraded my CA-5 power supply
to the CA-5A.  Since I show not receipt for this I expect it was
never done.  But when it returned from service it did sound better
with lower noise floor.  (Man I was wrong about everything).

After owning the CA-5 or 5A for over 10 years I finally decided I
wanted to be able to record from my Luxman deck to my Nakamichi 
deck.  The then new CA-5A II (not CA-7A II), could allow you to 
record from deck to deck.  But the dealer gave me a Stereo Review 
article about the CA-7A II about to be released and how it would 
give me both remote and updated chassis.  Two years I went in and 
bought the CA-7A as it was about to be discontinued.  So what I have 
is a CA-7A and an article two years earlier telling me all about the 
CA-5AII.

Why I hung on to all this for so many years I don't know.  But I have 
some great Nakamichi brochures to confuse myself.

The best thing about the CA-7A is that it controls the entire stack 
of Nakamichi equipment even though most do not have wireless remotes.
It came with al the cables to connect to Tuner, 2 - Tape, CD, and a 
remote power controller for everything.  If only I had purchased the 
interface so I could control my MB-2 CD at the time.  Unfortunately 
the RC-1 adapter is not longer available so my MB-2 needs it's own 
remote.  And this remote does not do power on/off control.




From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Wed May 12 23:55:45 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:55:45 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-s
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu May 13 00:24:10 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:24:10 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4DD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

That is a good question. I have listened to many naks and compared to my
Tascam DA30 they are equal in clarity and sonic performance. The DAT has
that typical clear crisp digital sound but sounding a little too crisp at
times, the naks however sound nice and warm. I love both the DAT & Naks,
that is why I switch from one to another from time to time.

	Tom.

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Sent: Thursday, 13 May 2004 3:55 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


I've been seeing Sony 75ES going for well under $100.
Is it even possible for a "cheap" DAT to sound worse than a high end 
cassette?  Not a rhetorical question, I really don't know. :)

At 06:44 PM 5/12/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>But there are DATs and there are DATs, some sounding much better than
>others.  All depends on their in-built DAC.  Some would argue, for example,
>that the early Sony DATs sound far far better than the more modern ones.
>
>Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> > Sent: 11 May 2004 14:40
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> >
> >
> > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in
> > the world I
> > should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should on a DAT
> > deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck can be had
> > for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice XLIIs or similar
> > tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they pretty
> > stable?
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu May 13 00:46:21 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:46:21 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4DE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Derrick that is a good question. Brand new dat tapes are fine, I usually buy
the TDK brand and have not problem whatsoever - provided that the DAT unit
is in good shape, however, I recently received a bunch of 50 dat tapes from
a studio from Hollywood and found that some of the tapes could not be
recorded over properly. The problem was that at the beginning of the tape -
usually around the start to 30 minute mark - the playback would result in
random drop-outs. Surprised I was that these were the Maxell brand!??!!? I
don't blame Maxell but it could be the fault of poorly stored tapes in areas
of high humidity or high temperatures. These only happened on the 120 min
tapes. If you are planning to purchase a DAT, use the DDS computer grade dat
(if your unit allows you to do so). These work without fail on my Tascam and
I can get up to 5 hours of high quality 48 KHz sample rate recording time on
a DDS4! 

	The debate still goes on about whether you should purchase a Nak or
a DAT. My argument is this, if you have hundreds of cassettes and want to
listen to them - get the Nak Dragon or CR7. Tapes can be played almost
anywhere, in the car, at home, in your walkman etc. The Dragon/CR7A make
killer recordings - as do all of the Naks, when you play a tape recorded on
a Nak into your car you won't know yourself, the sound is simply amazing. If
you are into archiving music such as making a digital copy of your favourite
cd's then get the DAT. Not only will you get an almost exact copy of the cd
onto DAT tape but you can record many hours onto one single tape, great if
you are planning to tape a radio program that may be several hours long.

	I hope I have not bored you with all this yapping but at the same
time I hope I have helped.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Derrick Beckner [mailto:dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2004 11:40 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the world I 
should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should on a DAT 
deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck can be had 
for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice XLIIs or similar 
tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they pretty stable?  

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu May 13 01:18:26 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:18:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4385f$6becb4e0$fd934d51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <000701c43877$6d6de9c0$f9d04c51@oemcomputer>

One of the better DAT's, I have heard, reputedly second only to a PCM2500.
But did it sound any worse than a good Nak?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of p r
> Sent: 12 May 2004 21:27
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
>
>
> just got rid of a dtc-1000es sony dat and it didnt sound any better than a
> good nak
> phill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
>
>
> > I've been seeing Sony 75ES going for well under $100.
> > Is it even possible for a "cheap" DAT to sound worse than a high end
> > cassette?  Not a rhetorical question, I really don't know. :)
> >
> > At 06:44 PM 5/12/2004 +0100, you wrote:
> > >But there are DATs and there are DATs, some sounding much better than
> > >others.  All depends on their in-built DAC.  Some would argue, for
> example,
> > >that the early Sony DATs sound far far better than the more
> modern ones.
> > >
> > >Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> > > > Sent: 11 May 2004 14:40
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in
> > > > the world I
> > > > should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should on a
> DAT
> > > > deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck can be
> had
> > > > for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice XLIIs
> or similar
> > > > tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they pretty
> > > > stable?
> > > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu May 13 01:18:24 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:18:24 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040512135255.03199280@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <000601c43877$6c59baa0$f9d04c51@oemcomputer>

Worse?  "Worse" is very subjective!  When the bl##dy thing was working I'd
say my Sony PCM2500, recording analogue i/p, would replay as well as the
best Naks I've heard, and I've heard a ZX9 and a CR7.   But that's a
personal view.    However, whilst you may buy one of those for less than
$200, you can't dub in digital from your CD player (mind you, if you've ever
heard a PCM2500 you'd not worry about it being a digital i/p anyway!) and
you get two massive boxes instead of one smaller box.

Gra'



> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> Sent: 12 May 2004 18:55
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
>
>
> I've been seeing Sony 75ES going for well under $100.
> Is it even possible for a "cheap" DAT to sound worse than a high end
> cassette?  Not a rhetorical question, I really don't know. :)
>
> At 06:44 PM 5/12/2004 +0100, you wrote:
> >But there are DATs and there are DATs, some sounding much better than
> >others.  All depends on their in-built DAC.  Some would argue,
> for example,
> >that the early Sony DATs sound far far better than the more modern ones.
> >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu May 13 01:18:29 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:18:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
In-Reply-To: <200405122121.AWG15233@ms9.netsolmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c43877$6f5c4c40$f9d04c51@oemcomputer>

A "senior moment", Bob?  :o[)

Grinham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Bob Folline
> Sent: 12 May 2004 22:22
> To: ra.ah at rcn.com; 'Marc Denis'; 'kemppie'
> Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
> 
> 
> Ok All after going home to review my stuff I started scraping the 
> egg off my face. The Nakamichi stuff is just now coming out of boxes 
> for use.
> 
> My equipment has been in storage for three years and I "popped-off" 
> from memory.  Please accept my humble apology.  I shuffled my 
> CA-5 history for CA-7.  DOH!
> 
> Again sorry for the quick and inaccurate response.
> 
> Bob
> 
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed May 12 16:29:18 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:29:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040511093640.03186e10@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040511093640.03186e10@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <40A234BE.1080303@rcn.com>

Derrick Beckner wrote:

> Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the 
> world I should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should 
> on a DAT deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck 
> can be had for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice XLIIs or 
> similar tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they 
> pretty stable? 

Quality cassettes sound better than DAT. In addition, editing
is easier. OTOH, DAT if less critical and requires less
fiddling in use. For non-critical listening, DAT is probably
just as good or better.

For someone like me, that already has a fair collection of
cassettes and no DATs (and for whom sound quality is an
important factor) the choice is a no brainer.

-- Ron





From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Wed May 12 23:55:36 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:55:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-s
In-Reply-To: <22861794@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
References: <22861794@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <40A29D58.4020901@bellsouth.net>

Thanks Fred--Just picked up 60 of them
Mike

Fred Lifton wrote:

>Just found a place that has about 400 of the officially discontinued XLII-s
>left:
>http://www.daleproaudio.com
>
>They were a $1.79 a pop for 100 minute.
>
>Thought y'all might want to know.
>best,
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From bobf at oodg.net  Thu May 13 00:19:07 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:19:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi serial-parallel adapters NEEDED
Message-ID: <200405122218.AWG30914@ms9.netsolmail.com>

Does anyone have a Nakamichi Remote control adapter they can part with?

I believe I need the RC-1 but it may be the RC-3 to connect the 
Nakamichi MB-2 to my CA-7A (NOT CA7AII ;-)  ).

If you have or can lead me to such an animal it would be much 
appreciated.

Bob Folline




From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu May 13 02:34:38 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:34:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs. NAK
Message-ID: <13114-40A2C29E-1203@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

hi,thank you people,excellent discussion of naks/dats  and answering
many questions i was going to ask you! you mentioned Dragon and
CR-7,what about Lx-3(im nearly decided as to which upgrade to make on my
Rx-303)?

thank you very much,
gerald



From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu May 13 09:08:09 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:08:09 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
References: <002601c43848$d77227c0$f2d54c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006a01c438b9$0f8f47d0$1010a8c0@tg>

Agree to Graham, that DAT's have always been much much better than
any monster cass. decks, with no limitation in frequency response which
is the main reason why still used by mastering studios.they are very stable
with the mechanism and recoding media used.
Tayfur

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


> But there are DATs and there are DATs, some sounding much better than
> others.  All depends on their in-built DAC.  Some would argue, for
example,
> that the early Sony DATs sound far far better than the more modern ones.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> > Sent: 11 May 2004 14:40
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> >
> >
> > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in
> > the world I
> > should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should on a DAT
> > deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck can be had
> > for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice XLIIs or similar
> > tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they pretty
> > stable?
> >
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu May 13 09:27:13 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:27:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <40A234BE.1080303@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <002601c438bb$b5fe53c0$4667893e@oemcomputer>

Another side of the coin, of course, is that you can stick a portable DAT in
your pocket, with a mic in the other, and discretely get some nice bootleg
recordings of live bands/singers without anyone knowing you're doing it!
Try that with a Dragon ... or any of the "portable" Nak's hung over your
shoulder...

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: 12 May 2004 15:29
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
>
>
> Derrick Beckner wrote:
>
> > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the
> > world I should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should
> > on a DAT deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck
> > can be had for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice
> XLIIs or
> > similar tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they
> > pretty stable?
>
> Quality cassettes sound better than DAT. In addition, editing
> is easier. OTOH, DAT if less critical and requires less
> fiddling in use. For non-critical listening, DAT is probably
> just as good or better.
>
> For someone like me, that already has a fair collection of
> cassettes and no DATs (and for whom sound quality is an
> important factor) the choice is a no brainer.
>
> -- Ron
>
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Thu May 13 15:21:23 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:21:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi serial-parallel adapters NEEDED
In-Reply-To: <200405122218.AWG30914@ms9.netsolmail.com>
References: <200405122218.AWG30914@ms9.netsolmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040513090629.027d4280@pop.iquebec.com>

Bob,

the converter you need is definitely the RC-1, not the RC-3. RC-3 is for 
tape decks only.

FYI, use of MB-2's own remote controller is not possible if RC-1 is used. 
Only the CA-7A's remote controller will work when RC-1 is used. Some 
functions are not available on MB-2's front panel and can only be accessed 
from its own remote controller. It may be a good idea to evaluate for 
yourself if you feel these functions are usefull before investing in an 
RC-1. Knowing this, you may feel a learning remote controller into which 
you could program the keys of both the CA-7A's and the MB-2's remotes might 
be a more enjoyable investment.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

-Marc


At 18:19 2004/05/12, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a Nakamichi Remote control adapter they can part with?
>
>I believe I need the RC-1 but it may be the RC-3 to connect the
>Nakamichi MB-2 to my CA-7A (NOT CA7AII ;-)  ).
>
>If you have or can lead me to such an animal it would be much
>appreciated.
>
>Bob Folline




From copytec at coqui.net  Thu May 13 18:50:49 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:50:49 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
References: <002601c438bb$b5fe53c0$4667893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002001c4390a$7280b3f0$5d773242@CopyTech>

Well, I have been using DAT machines since its first appearance as they
immediately replaced the open reel decks as mastering machines in project
studios and big studios as well. Problem is, sometimes the tapes are not
compatible in all DAT machines, obliging the mastering studios to keep 2 or
3 different brand machines on stock for playback. Sound ? well, even
recording analog has less noise and more dynamic room than a cassette. Also,
no matter how good cassette you have, it has never been considered as a
"pro" medium to do masters (with some very rare ocassions).

Durability ? Better than a cassette, I'm afraid.

Carlos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:27 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


> Another side of the coin, of course, is that you can stick a portable DAT
in
> your pocket, with a mic in the other, and discretely get some nice bootleg
> recordings of live bands/singers without anyone knowing you're doing it!
> Try that with a Dragon ... or any of the "portable" Nak's hung over your
> shoulder...
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron
> > Sent: 12 May 2004 15:29
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> >
> >
> > Derrick Beckner wrote:
> >
> > > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the
> > > world I should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should
> > > on a DAT deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck
> > > can be had for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice
> > XLIIs or
> > > similar tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they
> > > pretty stable?
> >
> > Quality cassettes sound better than DAT. In addition, editing
> > is easier. OTOH, DAT if less critical and requires less
> > fiddling in use. For non-critical listening, DAT is probably
> > just as good or better.
> >
> > For someone like me, that already has a fair collection of
> > cassettes and no DATs (and for whom sound quality is an
> > important factor) the choice is a no brainer.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri May 14 00:59:52 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:59:52 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4EB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Carlos, if you have a DAT that can record on 98% of the tapes eg, DAT & DDS
grade, and find that with one or two brands and certain length say 120 min
that your recorder cannot record music on it properly (music drops out then
in then out) for the first 30-45 mins on the tape, would the machine be at
fault or the tape?

	Regards,

	Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 2:51 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


Well, I have been using DAT machines since its first appearance as they
immediately replaced the open reel decks as mastering machines in project
studios and big studios as well. Problem is, sometimes the tapes are not
compatible in all DAT machines, obliging the mastering studios to keep 2 or
3 different brand machines on stock for playback. Sound ? well, even
recording analog has less noise and more dynamic room than a cassette. Also,
no matter how good cassette you have, it has never been considered as a
"pro" medium to do masters (with some very rare ocassions).

Durability ? Better than a cassette, I'm afraid.

Carlos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:27 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


> Another side of the coin, of course, is that you can stick a portable DAT
in
> your pocket, with a mic in the other, and discretely get some nice bootleg
> recordings of live bands/singers without anyone knowing you're doing it!
> Try that with a Dragon ... or any of the "portable" Nak's hung over your
> shoulder...
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron
> > Sent: 12 May 2004 15:29
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> >
> >
> > Derrick Beckner wrote:
> >
> > > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the
> > > world I should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should
> > > on a DAT deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck
> > > can be had for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice
> > XLIIs or
> > > similar tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they
> > > pretty stable?
> >
> > Quality cassettes sound better than DAT. In addition, editing
> > is easier. OTOH, DAT if less critical and requires less
> > fiddling in use. For non-critical listening, DAT is probably
> > just as good or better.
> >
> > For someone like me, that already has a fair collection of
> > cassettes and no DATs (and for whom sound quality is an
> > important factor) the choice is a no brainer.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri May 14 01:03:55 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:03:55 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4EC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Oh I forgot to mention one other thing, the tapes in question are not new.

Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 9:00 
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


Carlos, if you have a DAT that can record on 98% of the tapes eg, DAT & DDS
grade, and find that with one or two brands and certain length say 120 min
that your recorder cannot record music on it properly (music drops out then
in then out) for the first 30-45 mins on the tape, would the machine be at
fault or the tape?

	Regards,

	Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 2:51 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


Well, I have been using DAT machines since its first appearance as they
immediately replaced the open reel decks as mastering machines in project
studios and big studios as well. Problem is, sometimes the tapes are not
compatible in all DAT machines, obliging the mastering studios to keep 2 or
3 different brand machines on stock for playback. Sound ? well, even
recording analog has less noise and more dynamic room than a cassette. Also,
no matter how good cassette you have, it has never been considered as a
"pro" medium to do masters (with some very rare ocassions).

Durability ? Better than a cassette, I'm afraid.

Carlos


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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:27 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


> Another side of the coin, of course, is that you can stick a portable DAT
in
> your pocket, with a mic in the other, and discretely get some nice bootleg
> recordings of live bands/singers without anyone knowing you're doing it!
> Try that with a Dragon ... or any of the "portable" Nak's hung over your
> shoulder...
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron
> > Sent: 12 May 2004 15:29
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> >
> >
> > Derrick Beckner wrote:
> >
> > > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the
> > > world I should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should
> > > on a DAT deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck
> > > can be had for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice
> > XLIIs or
> > > similar tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they
> > > pretty stable?
> >
> > Quality cassettes sound better than DAT. In addition, editing
> > is easier. OTOH, DAT if less critical and requires less
> > fiddling in use. For non-critical listening, DAT is probably
> > just as good or better.
> >
> > For someone like me, that already has a fair collection of
> > cassettes and no DATs (and for whom sound quality is an
> > important factor) the choice is a no brainer.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri May 14 01:42:16 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:42:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <002001c4390a$7280b3f0$5d773242@CopyTech>
References: <002601c438bb$b5fe53c0$4667893e@oemcomputer>
	<002001c4390a$7280b3f0$5d773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <40A407D8.6060000@rcn.com>

El Magnifico wrote:

> Well, I have been using DAT machines since its first appearance as they
> immediately replaced the open reel decks as mastering machines in project
> studios and big studios as well. Problem is, sometimes the tapes are not
> compatible in all DAT machines, obliging the mastering studios to keep 2 or
> 3 different brand machines on stock for playback. Sound ? well, even
> recording analog has less noise and more dynamic room than a cassette. Also,
> no matter how good cassette you have, it has never been considered as a
> "pro" medium to do masters (with some very rare ocassions).
> 
> Durability ? Better than a cassette, I'm afraid.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> 
> 
> 
>>Another side of the coin, of course, is that you can stick a portable DAT
> 
> in
> 
>>your pocket, with a mic in the other, and discretely get some nice bootleg
>>recordings of live bands/singers without anyone knowing you're doing it!
>>Try that with a Dragon ... or any of the "portable" Nak's hung over your
>>shoulder...
>>
>>Gra'
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>>Behalf Of Ron
>>>Sent: 12 May 2004 15:29
>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
>>>
>>>
>>>Derrick Beckner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the
>>>>world I should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should
>>>>on a DAT deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck
>>>>can be had for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice
>>>
>>>XLIIs or
>>>
>>>>similar tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they
>>>>pretty stable?
>>>
>>>Quality cassettes sound better than DAT. In addition, editing
>>>is easier. OTOH, DAT if less critical and requires less
>>>fiddling in use. For non-critical listening, DAT is probably
>>>just as good or better.
>>>
>>>For someone like me, that already has a fair collection of
>>>cassettes and no DATs (and for whom sound quality is an
>>>important factor) the choice is a no brainer.
>>>
>>>-- Ron


Interesting...

Some years ago, one of the audio magazines ran a listening
test, pitching DAT against cassettes (using a middle of the
road deck -- a Denon, I think). The listening panel preferred
the cassette sound quality by a wide margin. I suspect the
cassette would have won easier had they used a CR-7, 3014A
or 710.

They did not compare second or third generation. DAT *should*
be better, though I am not sure by how much -- it's a lossy
format and each DAT generation creates its own artifacts.

Durability --  yes, DAT should be better. Though I am still
enjoying 25 year old cassettes. The only failures I have ever 
experienced were of *pre-recorded* cassettes. Failures of blank
cassettes that I recorded myself: zero.

I suppose a big factor in the choice is whether one already has
a cassette collection.

-- Ron





From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 13 14:33:10 2004
From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:33:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
Message-ID: <003301c438e6$740b55f0$6401a8c0@DOCTOR>

Just wanted to throw in my two cents. I have a nice Dragon tweaked by
Kannan, and I have a nice Fostex D-5  DAT. I record in my home studio with a
Tascam TSR 8, 8 track 1/2 inch at 15 ips. I mix to a Teac X2000R 1/4 stereo
at 7.5 ips. I use DBX Pro on both machines. The board is a Mackie 8 buss 24
channel. I record mostly close miked since the room is not the best suited
for blues and rock. Anyway, I have also mixed directly to the dragon and the
DAT from the Tascam. There is no doubt in my mind that you lose some of the
natural sound of strings, the warmth of a voice, the overall smooth sound
and the decay of instruments when I mix to the DAT. The dragon holds on to
this sound. The dragon amazes me in its ability to capture the essence of
the master tape running at 15 ips on a cassette. Incredible feat of
engineering. The Teac X2000R gets slightly better dynamics from the Tascam
vs the dragon. The DAT gets the dynamics, but it still sounds filtered to
me. So, in my opinion, if you are going to record from an analog source, get
a dragon.

Now, if I record with my Fostex digital 8 track hard drive recorder, I use
the DAT to mix. I stay in the digital domain and burn the cd's from the DAT
mix. Once the music hits 16/44, you might as well stay there. The digital
recorder is excellent in itself. I just don't think it sounds as real and
natural as the Tascam. 24 /96 and DSD seem to solve the problems I hear with
16/44. But at that point, I just prefer the "sound" of tape. My preference.
I don't have a DSD recorder. Wish I did!

Ken



From BADANTH at aol.com  Thu May 13 21:23:29 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:23:29 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] CR1A Playback Trouble
Message-ID: <14.29664061.2dd52531@aol.com>

I just pulled out my CR1A deck to give it a workout and cleaning but ran into 
some trouble. Upon start up the deck worked perfectly and played the tape 
with no problem. After I stopped the tape to rewind/fast forward it would not 
play again. The stop button light was lit and it wouldn't play,FF or RW until I 
turned off the power and tried again. This time the tape played fine until I 
stopped it again and it did the same thing as before and locked up. Can anyone 
tell me what may be the problem and how I may be able to fix it?

Thanks,
Anthony
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri May 14 06:24:54 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naks page on Naks website
Message-ID: <7721-40A44A16-2250@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net>

i have been studying the naks page of all the different naks,their
features and pictures.i am starting to understand the heirarchy of the
nak family and why direct drive is preferred to belts,and belts to
gears,also,about the other desired features like servo
capstanmoters,etc.I'm still one confused mo-fo about azimuth
adjustment,bias calibration.maybe sometime someone somwhere someplace
can write a post about bias and azimuth 101,and what is best type,auto
or manuel.On the naks where no adjustment is listed-is there actually no
adjustment at all?

thank you very much,
gerald



From roleo at telus.net  Fri May 14 07:12:26 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:12:26 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi serial-parallel adapters NEEDED
References: <200405122218.AWG30914@ms9.netsolmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c43972$0c4dd960$6401a8c0@desktop>

Bob, would this work?

      Nakamichi RC-2 Remote Signal Converter Dragon  


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=3096225099&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Folline" <bobf at oodg.net>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:19 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi serial-parallel adapters NEEDED


> Does anyone have a Nakamichi Remote control adapter they can part with?
> 
> I believe I need the RC-1 but it may be the RC-3 to connect the 
> Nakamichi MB-2 to my CA-7A (NOT CA7AII ;-)  ).
> 
> If you have or can lead me to such an animal it would be much 
> appreciated.
> 
> Bob Folline
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri May 14 17:45:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:45:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D4EB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000701c439ca$80070fe0$33773242@CopyTech>

It could simply be incompatibility between the tape and the machine or
perhaps a faulty tape. It's very common to see tapes that don't paly well on
this machine but sounds excellent on another.

For example: I have a very old trusted Panasonic 3700 professional DAT
player that sometimes do not play some DAT tape good. I then play it on a
domestic Sony 75 ES and everything is cool.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


> Carlos, if you have a DAT that can record on 98% of the tapes eg, DAT &
DDS
> grade, and find that with one or two brands and certain length say 120 min
> that your recorder cannot record music on it properly (music drops out
then
> in then out) for the first 30-45 mins on the tape, would the machine be at
> fault or the tape?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Siomopoulos.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 2:51
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
>
>
> Well, I have been using DAT machines since its first appearance as they
> immediately replaced the open reel decks as mastering machines in project
> studios and big studios as well. Problem is, sometimes the tapes are not
> compatible in all DAT machines, obliging the mastering studios to keep 2
or
> 3 different brand machines on stock for playback. Sound ? well, even
> recording analog has less noise and more dynamic room than a cassette.
Also,
> no matter how good cassette you have, it has never been considered as a
> "pro" medium to do masters (with some very rare ocassions).
>
> Durability ? Better than a cassette, I'm afraid.
>
> Carlos
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
>
>
> > Another side of the coin, of course, is that you can stick a portable
DAT
> in
> > your pocket, with a mic in the other, and discretely get some nice
bootleg
> > recordings of live bands/singers without anyone knowing you're doing it!
> > Try that with a Dragon ... or any of the "portable" Nak's hung over your
> > shoulder...
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron
> > > Sent: 12 May 2004 15:29
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> > >
> > >
> > > Derrick Beckner wrote:
> > >
> > > > Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the
> > > > world I should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I
should
> > > > on a DAT deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT
deck
> > > > can be had for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice
> > > XLIIs or
> > > > similar tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they
> > > > pretty stable?
> > >
> > > Quality cassettes sound better than DAT. In addition, editing
> > > is easier. OTOH, DAT if less critical and requires less
> > > fiddling in use. For non-critical listening, DAT is probably
> > > just as good or better.
> > >
> > > For someone like me, that already has a fair collection of
> > > cassettes and no DATs (and for whom sound quality is an
> > > important factor) the choice is a no brainer.
> > >
> > > -- Ron
> > >
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri May 14 17:49:28 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:49:28 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
References: <002601c438bb$b5fe53c0$4667893e@oemcomputer><002001c4390a$7280b3f0$5d773242@CopyTech>
	<40A407D8.6060000@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c439cb$0b4e9460$33773242@CopyTech>

Well, Ron, at this moment in time I honestly can not say the contrary. One
thing I can tell you; you played a cassette 100 times and do the same with a
DAT tape. The DAT degradation is far less than an analog tape. But if you
ask me what I prefer for archiving purposes, then, I'll always choose the
1/2" open reel tape. Never a cassette tape.

Carlos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon


> El Magnifico wrote:
>
> > Well, I have been using DAT machines since its first appearance as they
> > immediately replaced the open reel decks as mastering machines in
project
> > studios and big studios as well. Problem is, sometimes the tapes are not
> > compatible in all DAT machines, obliging the mastering studios to keep 2
or
> > 3 different brand machines on stock for playback. Sound ? well, even
> > recording analog has less noise and more dynamic room than a cassette.
Also,
> > no matter how good cassette you have, it has never been considered as a
> > "pro" medium to do masters (with some very rare ocassions).
> >
> > Durability ? Better than a cassette, I'm afraid.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:27 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> >
> >
> >
> >>Another side of the coin, of course, is that you can stick a portable
DAT
> >
> > in
> >
> >>your pocket, with a mic in the other, and discretely get some nice
bootleg
> >>recordings of live bands/singers without anyone knowing you're doing it!
> >>Try that with a Dragon ... or any of the "portable" Nak's hung over your
> >>shoulder...
> >>
> >>Gra'
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >>>Behalf Of Ron
> >>>Sent: 12 May 2004 15:29
> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Derrick Beckner wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Still scoping out alternative to CD-Rs.  Is there any reason in the
> >>>>world I should spend 5 times as much on a Dragon or CR-7 than I should
> >>>>on a DAT deck?  I was astounded to find just how cheap a nice DAT deck
> >>>>can be had for.  The media isn't any more expensive than a nice
> >>>
> >>>XLIIs or
> >>>
> >>>>similar tape.  Is there a high failure rate with tapes or are they
> >>>>pretty stable?
> >>>
> >>>Quality cassettes sound better than DAT. In addition, editing
> >>>is easier. OTOH, DAT if less critical and requires less
> >>>fiddling in use. For non-critical listening, DAT is probably
> >>>just as good or better.
> >>>
> >>>For someone like me, that already has a fair collection of
> >>>cassettes and no DATs (and for whom sound quality is an
> >>>important factor) the choice is a no brainer.
> >>>
> >>>-- Ron
>
>
> Interesting...
>
> Some years ago, one of the audio magazines ran a listening
> test, pitching DAT against cassettes (using a middle of the
> road deck -- a Denon, I think). The listening panel preferred
> the cassette sound quality by a wide margin. I suspect the
> cassette would have won easier had they used a CR-7, 3014A
> or 710.
>
> They did not compare second or third generation. DAT *should*
> be better, though I am not sure by how much -- it's a lossy
> format and each DAT generation creates its own artifacts.
>
> Durability --  yes, DAT should be better. Though I am still
> enjoying 25 year old cassettes. The only failures I have ever
> experienced were of *pre-recorded* cassettes. Failures of blank
> cassettes that I recorded myself: zero.
>
> I suppose a big factor in the choice is whether one already has
> a cassette collection.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri May 14 17:50:42 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:50:42 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: submission
Message-ID: <001f01c439cb$36bbfb10$33773242@CopyTech>

Thank you, Frank. Time is running out and the masters are almost done. Your
contribution is very welcome.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Lifton" <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>
To: <copytec at coqui.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:19 PM
Subject: submission


> Hello Carlos,
> Wanted to let you know I mailed a submission for Marathon II today. I used
USPS.
> I hope it gets to you by the deadline. I forgot to indicate on my note
with the
> tape the length of the track. It's 3'01".
> I'm looking forward to the results of the compilation.
> best,
> Fred
>



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri May 14 15:50:21 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:50:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <000601c43877$6c59baa0$f9d04c51@oemcomputer>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040512135255.03199280@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040514094742.0322cc38@psulias.psu.edu>

I'd be burning the original (LP, CD, Tape) onto my computer and then 
outputting at 48Khz to the DAT.  Digital to digital copying seems to be 
somewhat overrated if you ask me.  Some of the best sounding CDs I have are 
my own LP to CD-R recordings.

At 12:18 AM 5/13/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>Worse?  "Worse" is very subjective!  When the bl##dy thing was working I'd
>say my Sony PCM2500, recording analogue i/p, would replay as well as the
>best Naks I've heard, and I've heard a ZX9 and a CR7.   But that's a
>personal view.    However, whilst you may buy one of those for less than
>$200, you can't dub in digital from your CD player (mind you, if you've ever
>heard a PCM2500 you'd not worry about it being a digital i/p anyway!) and
>you get two massive boxes instead of one smaller box.
>
>Gra'



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun May 16 12:17:08 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:17:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
Message-ID: <s0a75bd0.034@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Excellent post Ken.  

Pretty well says it all.  I have heard this sort of comparison before (Sony DAT vs CR7E in that case ex a master tape running at 15ips - a TEAC 2000 something) and my opinion at the time was precisely the same.  I think it's not the bandwidth of DAT which is potentialy very widethat is the problem, but the length of the digital word.  Also, I believe the mechanisms on DAT are very delicate......

Cheers,

Marc

>>> kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net 05/13/04 02:33PM >>>
Just wanted to throw in my two cents. I have a nice Dragon tweaked by
Kannan, and I have a nice Fostex D-5  DAT. I record in my home studio with a
Tascam TSR 8, 8 track 1/2 inch at 15 ips. I mix to a Teac X2000R 1/4 stereo
at 7.5 ips. I use DBX Pro on both machines. The board is a Mackie 8 buss 24
channel. I record mostly close miked since the room is not the best suited
for blues and rock. Anyway, I have also mixed directly to the dragon and the
DAT from the Tascam. There is no doubt in my mind that you lose some of the
natural sound of strings, the warmth of a voice, the overall smooth sound
and the decay of instruments when I mix to the DAT. The dragon holds on to
this sound. The dragon amazes me in its ability to capture the essence of
the master tape running at 15 ips on a cassette. Incredible feat of
engineering. The Teac X2000R gets slightly better dynamics from the Tascam
vs the dragon. The DAT gets the dynamics, but it still sounds filtered to
me. So, in my opinion, if you are going to record from an analog source, get
a dragon.

Now, if I record with my Fostex digital 8 track hard drive recorder, I use
the DAT to mix. I stay in the digital domain and burn the cd's from the DAT
mix. Once the music hits 16/44, you might as well stay there. The digital
recorder is excellent in itself. I just don't think it sounds as real and
natural as the Tascam. 24 /96 and DSD seem to solve the problems I hear with
16/44. But at that point, I just prefer the "sound" of tape. My preference.
I don't have a DSD recorder. Wish I did!

Ken

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From bobf at oodg.net  Sat May 15 02:14:08 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:14:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi serial-parallel adapters NEEDED
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040513090629.027d4280@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <200405150013.AWM00446@ms9.netsolmail.com>

Mark,

Thank you for the suggestion.  I will definitely look at what is and is not
supported 
before purchase.  I already have an RTI remote that handles everything
except 
the power and was not aware the RC-1 did away with the remote working.

What I am trying to do is be able to control the MB2 with either my Proceed
Theatre
for the Theatre or with the CA-7 for the through house system.

Again thank you for the input,

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Marc Denis
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 06:21
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi serial-parallel adapters NEEDED

Bob,

the converter you need is definitely the RC-1, not the RC-3. RC-3 is for
tape decks only.

FYI, use of MB-2's own remote controller is not possible if RC-1 is used. 
Only the CA-7A's remote controller will work when RC-1 is used. Some
functions are not available on MB-2's front panel and can only be accessed
from its own remote controller. It may be a good idea to evaluate for
yourself if you feel these functions are usefull before investing in an
RC-1. Knowing this, you may feel a learning remote controller into which you
could program the keys of both the CA-7A's and the MB-2's remotes might be a
more enjoyable investment.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

-Marc


At 18:19 2004/05/12, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a Nakamichi Remote control adapter they can part with?
>
>I believe I need the RC-1 but it may be the RC-3 to connect the 
>Nakamichi MB-2 to my CA-7A (NOT CA7AII ;-)  ).
>
>If you have or can lead me to such an animal it would be much 
>appreciated.
>
>Bob Folline


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From bobf at oodg.net  Sat May 15 02:19:30 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:19:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi serial-parallel adapters NEEDED
In-Reply-To: <003c01c43972$0c4dd960$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <200405150018.AWM01113@ms9.netsolmail.com>

Roland,

No this converter is the opposite direction from what I would use.
But it is good to see that at least some of them are coming up for sale.

Thank you,

Bob 



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Of Roland Alford
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 22:12
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi serial-parallel adapters NEEDED

Bob, would this work?

      Nakamichi RC-2 Remote Signal Converter Dragon  


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=3096225099
&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


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Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:19 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi serial-parallel adapters NEEDED


> Does anyone have a Nakamichi Remote control adapter they can part with?
> 
> I believe I need the RC-1 but it may be the RC-3 to connect the 
> Nakamichi MB-2 to my CA-7A (NOT CA7AII ;-)  ).
> 
> If you have or can lead me to such an animal it would be much 
> appreciated.
> 
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From bobf at oodg.net  Sat May 15 02:25:33 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:25:33 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
In-Reply-To: <000801c43877$6f5c4c40$f9d04c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <200405150024.AWM01899@ms9.netsolmail.com>

But I was sure the Nakamichi stack would wear out before the mind did. ;-)

Bob 

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 16:18
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7

A "senior moment", Bob?  :o[)

Grinham

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> Behalf Of Bob Folline
> Sent: 12 May 2004 22:22
> To: ra.ah at rcn.com; 'Marc Denis'; 'kemppie'
> Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
> 
> 
> Ok All after going home to review my stuff I started scraping the egg 
> off my face. The Nakamichi stuff is just now coming out of boxes for 
> use.
> 
> My equipment has been in storage for three years and I "popped-off" 
> from memory.  Please accept my humble apology.  I shuffled my
> CA-5 history for CA-7.  DOH!
> 
> Again sorry for the quick and inaccurate response.
> 
> Bob
> 
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri May 14 16:01:08 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:01:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <006a01c438b9$0f8f47d0$1010a8c0@tg>
References: <002601c43848$d77227c0$f2d54c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040514095212.03231208@psulias.psu.edu>

I could literally buy two DATs for less than a CR-7 or a Dragon.  The 
"cool" factor favors the CR-7 or Dragon (especially with the TA-4s remote 
accommodating the manual azimuth adjustment), but practicality and 
performance seem to be leaning towards DAT.  DAT also seems to have a much 
longer life in front of it than high-performance cassettes do.

On a related note, I've discovered that my old Philips CDR 760, the first 
component CDR on the market, will play, quite literally, any CD-R.  A 
couple that were giving me problems, (not loading at all) would play fine 
in it, but not in any CD-ROMs, my NAD (not surprising) or my car 
(surprising).  Definately time to consider a universal player.  I have the 
above mentioned Philips that doesn't record anymore, the NAD 541 HDCD which 
sounds terrific, but doesn't do CD-Rs, and a Mitsubishi DD-6000 HDCD/24-96 
DVD player which only does HDCD/CD/DVD, not DVD-A or CD/DVD-R.  And I'm 
running out of room to put these things!

At 10:08 AM 5/13/2004 +0300, Tayfur Gunay wrote:
>Agree to Graham, that DAT's have always been much much better than
>any monster cass. decks, with no limitation in frequency response which
>is the main reason why still used by mastering studios.they are very stable
>with the mechanism and recoding media used.
>Tayfur



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun May 16 13:43:36 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:43:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040514095212.03231208@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <000201c43b3b$066666a0$c7dd883e@oemcomputer>

A couple of points:

1	High performance cassette ain't dead just yet - ReVox are still supporting
their massive international fleet of B215 machines.  Quite apart from home
audio and radio station applications, wherein they are fading, they are
still used heavily for service applications - e.g. airports, police,
emergency services.  I dare say these will be phased out, too, eventually,
but I'd wager they'll take a little longer than it does for the home audio
and radio stations (where I understand MD has taken over as the voice
recording medium for commercials and news reportage.)   Also, Tandberg are
still making their 3014 cassette decks to special order.

2	DAT's won't last much longer in the recording industry or radio as hard
disk (and, to some extend MD in radio stations) are taking over its place.
The software will still be available for a while yet though in the form of
the back-up tapes for computers. but I'd guess they're on the wane, too.

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Derrick Beckner
> Sent: 14 May 2004 15:01
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
> Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT vs The Dragon
>
>
> I could literally buy two DATs for less than a CR-7 or a Dragon.  The
> "cool" factor favors the CR-7 or Dragon (especially with the TA-4s remote
> accommodating the manual azimuth adjustment), but practicality and
> performance seem to be leaning towards DAT.  DAT also seems to
> have a much
> longer life in front of it than high-performance cassettes do.
>
> On a related note, I've discovered that my old Philips CDR 760, the first
> component CDR on the market, will play, quite literally, any CD-R.  A
> couple that were giving me problems, (not loading at all) would play fine
> in it, but not in any CD-ROMs, my NAD (not surprising) or my car
> (surprising).  Definately time to consider a universal player.  I
> have the
> above mentioned Philips that doesn't record anymore, the NAD 541
> HDCD which
> sounds terrific, but doesn't do CD-Rs, and a Mitsubishi DD-6000
> HDCD/24-96
> DVD player which only does HDCD/CD/DVD, not DVD-A or CD/DVD-R.  And I'm
> running out of room to put these things!
>
>
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From enoyes at snet.net  Mon May 17 04:03:20 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 22:03:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DAT's all folks
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040514095212.03231208@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <002601c43848$d77227c0$f2d54c51@oemcomputer>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040514095212.03231208@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <40A81D68.60608@snet.net>

Before everyone becomes too in love with DAT's, let me share the 
realities of 12 years of professional and home use with everything from 
Fostex D-30 time code decks to Tascams to The Panasonic SV-3700/3800, to 
the Sony 2500 to the even the little Tascam DA-P1 and Sony D7. I've used 
them and at it's best, the format can be the de facto 16 bit digital 
standard. The Sony decks with SBM can do even better with a resolution 
that approaches 20 bit.

Problem is that the format is anything but stable! Yes, they are used 
for mastering, but in that purpose the tape only has to be able to play 
or literally the time it takes to master the 2 track mix for release 
purposes. This is a good thing as DAT's have a nasty reputation for 
developing dropouts over time. "Diginoise" is the term that DAT heads 
use to refer to this sound (bzzzttt... crunch... bbzzzzttt.... 
chhhhzzzttt). Interestingly, time seems to have little to do with this 
problem. while more likely to affect older tapes, I have some 12 year 
old live masters that recently transferred to CD-R perfectly while a 
couple of 2 year old tapes would not play. The transports on the decks 
require a tremendous degree of accuracy in tracking, and there can also 
be interchange problems between machines. The decks may or may not age 
well too. I had one tape that misthreaded in the field before dumping 
out of record about ten minutes into the recording. It would not play 
those first ten minutes on any deck I ever came across and then about a 
year ago played that section perfectly on my consumer Sony home deck 
(which could never play it before... I guess the heads are worn just to 
perfection). You will also find that generally speaking the pro industry 
can't wait to drop the DAT format and move on. Far more stuff goes out 
now on CD-R than DAT now and it seems that manufacturers are much slower 
to offer new decks... it's a sign.

I would be willing to bet that my cassettes will continue to play in 
twenty years while I will be hard pressed to find even one DAT tape that 
will be able to do the same. At least, it there are analog cassette 
dropouts they will  not come in the form of outlandishly nasty sounding 
noises.

Ed

Derrick Beckner wrote:

> I could literally buy two DATs for less than a CR-7 or a Dragon.  The 
> "cool" factor favors the CR-7 or Dragon (especially with the TA-4s 
> remote accommodating the manual azimuth adjustment), but practicality 
> and performance seem to be leaning towards DAT.  DAT also seems to 
> have a much longer life in front of it than high-performance cassettes 
> do.
>
> On a related note, I've discovered that my old Philips CDR 760, the 
> first component CDR on the market, will play, quite literally, any 
> CD-R.  A couple that were giving me problems, (not loading at all) 
> would play fine in it, but not in any CD-ROMs, my NAD (not surprising) 
> or my car (surprising).  Definately time to consider a universal 
> player.  I have the above mentioned Philips that doesn't record 
> anymore, the NAD 541 HDCD which sounds terrific, but doesn't do CD-Rs, 
> and a Mitsubishi DD-6000 HDCD/24-96 DVD player which only does 
> HDCD/CD/DVD, not DVD-A or CD/DVD-R.  And I'm running out of room to 
> put these things!
>
> At 10:08 AM 5/13/2004 +0300, Tayfur Gunay wrote:
>
>> Agree to Graham, that DAT's have always been much much better than
>> any monster cass. decks, with no limitation in frequency response which
>> is the main reason why still used by mastering studios.they are very 
>> stable
>> with the mechanism and recoding media used.
>> Tayfur
>
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Mon May 17 05:17:45 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (carl c)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 20:17:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] DAT's all folks
In-Reply-To: <40A81D68.60608@snet.net>
Message-ID: <006301c43bbd$8979b8d0$1c02a8c0@home66xww4hjhp>

A/B comparisons on live recordings consistently showed us that a good
analogue master sounds better than the DAT master.  We made analogue
masters on a Nak ZX9 as well as a Technics R & B RS1700 reel to reel.
We always preferred the analogue masters to the DAT masters.  We were
taping Zero concerts back in the early 90s.  The main thing with DAT is
that it is very convenient and there is no tape to tape noise build up
with each successive recording generation.  Essentially, DAT is more
convenient and less expensive than quality analogue gear.



-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Edward Noyes
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:03 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] DAT's all folks

Before everyone becomes too in love with DAT's, let me share the 
realities of 12 years of professional and home use with everything from 
Fostex D-30 time code decks to Tascams to The Panasonic SV-3700/3800, to

the Sony 2500 to the even the little Tascam DA-P1 and Sony D7. I've used

them and at it's best, the format can be the de facto 16 bit digital 
standard. The Sony decks with SBM can do even better with a resolution 
that approaches 20 bit.

Problem is that the format is anything but stable! Yes, they are used 
for mastering, but in that purpose the tape only has to be able to play 
or literally the time it takes to master the 2 track mix for release 
purposes. This is a good thing as DAT's have a nasty reputation for 
developing dropouts over time. "Diginoise" is the term that DAT heads 
use to refer to this sound (bzzzttt... crunch... bbzzzzttt.... 
chhhhzzzttt). Interestingly, time seems to have little to do with this 
problem. while more likely to affect older tapes, I have some 12 year 
old live masters that recently transferred to CD-R perfectly while a 
couple of 2 year old tapes would not play. The transports on the decks 
require a tremendous degree of accuracy in tracking, and there can also 
be interchange problems between machines. The decks may or may not age 
well too. I had one tape that misthreaded in the field before dumping 
out of record about ten minutes into the recording. It would not play 
those first ten minutes on any deck I ever came across and then about a 
year ago played that section perfectly on my consumer Sony home deck 
(which could never play it before... I guess the heads are worn just to 
perfection). You will also find that generally speaking the pro industry

can't wait to drop the DAT format and move on. Far more stuff goes out 
now on CD-R than DAT now and it seems that manufacturers are much slower

to offer new decks... it's a sign.

I would be willing to bet that my cassettes will continue to play in 
twenty years while I will be hard pressed to find even one DAT tape that

will be able to do the same. At least, it there are analog cassette 
dropouts they will  not come in the form of outlandishly nasty sounding 
noises.

Ed

Derrick Beckner wrote:

> I could literally buy two DATs for less than a CR-7 or a Dragon.  The 
> "cool" factor favors the CR-7 or Dragon (especially with the TA-4s 
> remote accommodating the manual azimuth adjustment), but practicality 
> and performance seem to be leaning towards DAT.  DAT also seems to 
> have a much longer life in front of it than high-performance cassettes

> do.
>
> On a related note, I've discovered that my old Philips CDR 760, the 
> first component CDR on the market, will play, quite literally, any 
> CD-R.  A couple that were giving me problems, (not loading at all) 
> would play fine in it, but not in any CD-ROMs, my NAD (not surprising)

> or my car (surprising).  Definately time to consider a universal 
> player.  I have the above mentioned Philips that doesn't record 
> anymore, the NAD 541 HDCD which sounds terrific, but doesn't do CD-Rs,

> and a Mitsubishi DD-6000 HDCD/24-96 DVD player which only does 
> HDCD/CD/DVD, not DVD-A or CD/DVD-R.  And I'm running out of room to 
> put these things!
>
> At 10:08 AM 5/13/2004 +0300, Tayfur Gunay wrote:
>
>> Agree to Graham, that DAT's have always been much much better than
>> any monster cass. decks, with no limitation in frequency response
which
>> is the main reason why still used by mastering studios.they are very 
>> stable
>> with the mechanism and recoding media used.
>> Tayfur
>
>
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From Tzzydzzy at aol.com  Mon May 17 01:58:46 2004
From: Tzzydzzy at aol.com (Tzzydzzy at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:58:46 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Test Points for Nak LX-3
Message-ID: <20.2995071a.2dd95a36@aol.com>

Meter Level Calibration:  400 Hz to input jacks.  VTVM to TPL2, TPR2 on Dolby 
NR PCB.  Adjust Main PCB VR110 VR 210 so that 0 db segment illuminates.  
Adjust input level controls to obtain 90 Mv on VTVM then decrease generator output 
by 20db.  Check that -20db segment illuminates.

For playback level usse same proceudre with 400 hz level tape and adjust VR 
101 and VR201 on main pcb .  VTVM Level is 90 mv.  


In a message dated 4/23/2004 3:11:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sharpei at verizon.net writes:
Could someone lookup the test points for the LX-3 in their service 
manual ? I need the ones where you hook up the VTVM to read volts for 
meter level and playback level. I also need the ref voltage (I'm 
guessing its 90mV or 100mV).
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue May 18 00:04:39 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 18:04:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] posting problems
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A response I posted to AudioTalk a couple of days ago just
came back, because the naks.com server rejected it. Has
anyone else seen this problem?

-- Ron






From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue May 18 08:15:59 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:15:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] posting problems
Message-ID: <s0a9c656.061@mroute.sunint.co.za>

I'll give it a shot Ron!!!!!

Marc

>>> Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com> 05/18/04 12:04AM >>>

A response I posted to AudioTalk a couple of days ago just
came back, because the naks.com server rejected it. Has
anyone else seen this problem?

-- Ron




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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue May 18 13:05:12 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:05:12 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Before buying a Dragon
References: <002601c43848$d77227c0$f2d54c51@oemcomputer>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040514095212.03231208@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <003601c43cc8$092f0a20$1010a8c0@tg>

Dear Nakkers,

I know some of you have Dragon. In the recent marathon tape project had the
chance to listen Dragon recodings thanks to Carlos. I'm about to get a nice
Dragon shortly. I'd like to know what visual /optical and audible tests shud
I perform to be sure about mechanical and sonic condition of the unit. I
appreciate your valuable help (especailly Kannan and Ken and Carlos and also
others too). I mean, I am not an expert also not will have the chance to
check the unit professionally. For instance, other than cosmetic apperrence,
what points shud be checked. I appreciate your detailed help.

Thanks alot to anyone who have a couple lines to drop.

Tayfur



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue May 18 18:43:20 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:43:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Before buying a Dragon
Message-ID: <d46ee58d47106a.d47106ad46ee58@vsnl.net>


Hi Tayfur
Whenever you are buying a Dragon - check whether it plays a tape on reverse after first side is complete automatically. Generally Dragon can have azimuth tracking or reverse play ( again Azimuth tracking problem on one direction)problems. They both need expert attention. Sometimes it can also show problems in Dolby and play circuits because of Orange cap problem. Always assume that you may have spend a bit on maintanence issue afte you purchase !
What I gave Mr Ken was a mint Dragon( absolutely mint) - and it gave few problems after a month of use! 
Anyway spend an hour with dragon playing and recording if at all possible ( ebay purchase - assume that the Dragon needs technician attention asap!) before buying it.
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Tayfur Gunay <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:05 am
Subject: [naktalk] Before buying a Dragon

> Dear Nakkers,
> 
> I know some of you have Dragon. In the recent marathon tape 
> project had the
> chance to listen Dragon recodings thanks to Carlos. I'm about to 
> get a nice
> Dragon shortly. I'd like to know what visual /optical and audible 
> tests shud
> I perform to be sure about mechanical and sonic condition of the 
> unit. I
> appreciate your valuable help (especailly Kannan and Ken and 
> Carlos and also
> others too). I mean, I am not an expert also not will have the 
> chance to
> check the unit professionally. For instance, other than cosmetic 
> apperrence,what points shud be checked. I appreciate your detailed 
> help.
> Thanks alot to anyone who have a couple lines to drop.
> 
> Tayfur
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Tue May 18 19:20:54 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:20:54 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: posting problems
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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue May 18 18:01:59 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:01:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [nakmart] Nakamichi Pre-recorded Test tape
In-Reply-To: <006901c3a906$8b725650$1210a8c0@TG>
References: <6.1bd275aa.2ce2bc29@aol.com> <006901c3a906$8b725650$1210a8c0@TG>
Message-ID: <20040518160159.GB6415@peromarta.org>

Dear friends,

After some hours working on a Nak 1000ZXL, changing 55 PP caps, and most 
logic gates and opamps, I bought a dead ZXL back to life.

I need test tapes to align the mosnter - which is not too bad, but have
no idea which p/n should I get, and whether or not Nakamichi can supply
them, or what would be a good replacement.

Thanks for the inputs, and best rgds, LP.




El 12/11/03 a las 12:20, t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr dijo : 

> Would suggest the tape(S) of Teac Group,other than BASF;  reason is Teac provides two individual tapes; one for calibration tape (MTT356U $79.80) and another for alignment (MTT111N $28.00), while BASF does it on one tape only, @  $165.00.
> 
> I think, Teac, both money&quality-wise, is preferable!!!
> 
> Best to all.
> Tayfur
> 

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue May 18 18:52:05 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:52:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha KX-690
In-Reply-To: <d46ee58d47106a.d47106ad46ee58@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040518124540.00bcea50@psulias.psu.edu>

Just bought up this deck (haven't received it yet) to try out the HX Pro 
and Dolby S features.  Has some other nice things like Play Trim, which 
sounds a bit like Playhead Azimuth, real-time counter, 3 head, 3 motor, 
dual capistan, auto bias adjustment for recording, and a recently built 
model (1997-2000 or so).  Figured if nothing else it'd be good for getting 
the most out of my live tapes, most of which were trades with people with 
suspect decks, and which the Nak doesn't like much, and for the car.  Did 
some research and Yamaha decks, at least the top enders, seem to be pretty 
well regarded, and much cheaper than the high end Naks, Teacs, 
etc.  Anybody have experience with Yamaha decks?

Also, if there are any tecchies, there is an awsome Onkyo Integra TA-2090 
on ebay.  Non functioning, but the bid is at only .99 and the Buy it now is 
only $100.  This thing was up there with the Dragon back in the day, and 
also has dbx and HX Pro.



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue May 18 22:42:32 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:42:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: posting problems
In-Reply-To: <23035211@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
References: <23035211@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <40AA7538.1090207@rcn.com>


Has to be some elusive bug with Naks.com. After bouncing
my post, it passed -- and displayed -- my question about
the posting problem... Hope Wouter can track it down.

-- Ron


> Hi Ron,
> I've had no luck posting to audiotalk either. Just bounces back after awhile. I
> wrote to Wouter, but so far nothing. I just send plain text, so I'm not sure
> what the problem is. Probably a permissions/authentication thing is my wild
> guess.
> 
> Fred
> 
> --- You wrote:
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 18:04:39 -0400
> From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] posting problems
> To: AudioTalk <audiotalk at naks.com>,	Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
> 	Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <40A936F7.2060609 at rcn.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> 
> 
> A response I posted to AudioTalk a couple of days ago just
> came back, because the naks.com server rejected it. Has
> anyone else seen this problem?
> 
> -- Ron
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed May 19 08:46:28 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:46:28 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha KX-690
Message-ID: <s0ab1eeb.023@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Doug,

The KX-690 was the last double capstan deck made by Yamaha.  Once it was discontinued, their line-up was led by the KX-580/580SE.  In general, Yamaha decks last a long time and are built well, with not too much plastic.  They have somewhat clunky transports a la Pioneer but this does not detract from solid performances and reliability.  Once you get used to the control set, they are quite nice to use.  The play trim is an electronic remedy for the mechanical shortcomings that create azimuth error and, as such, is not an azimuth correction but a sort of pseudo-acoustic panelbeating.  It's similar to FLEX circuitry on Pioneers, but is effected before the bias trap I think.  My dad's KX-393 is a very compatible playback machine for recordings I make on my TASCAM, Nakamichis and Pioneer.  It also makes pretty good recordings itself provided you keep the recording levels well under control.

The Onkyo 2090 was Onkyos best machine (their last shot at a superdeck, the TA-611 in Champagne Gold retailed for around UK Sterling 470.00).  The 2090 was not seriously aiming for the top-end Nak market (perhaps by the salespeople!!) but more at Harmon-Kardon's CD 491, Yamaha KX-1200 and with a push and a shove, a TEAC V-7000.  Darn good and probably a cigar, but not quite a Havana!!

Best wishes,

Marc


>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 05/18/04 06:52PM >>>
Just bought up this deck (haven't received it yet) to try out the HX Pro 
and Dolby S features.  Has some other nice things like Play Trim, which 
sounds a bit like Playhead Azimuth, real-time counter, 3 head, 3 motor, 
dual capistan, auto bias adjustment for recording, and a recently built 
model (1997-2000 or so).  Figured if nothing else it'd be good for getting 
the most out of my live tapes, most of which were trades with people with 
suspect decks, and which the Nak doesn't like much, and for the car.  Did 
some research and Yamaha decks, at least the top enders, seem to be pretty 
well regarded, and much cheaper than the high end Naks, Teacs, 
etc.  Anybody have experience with Yamaha decks?

Also, if there are any tecchies, there is an awsome Onkyo Integra TA-2090 
on ebay.  Non functioning, but the bid is at only .99 and the Buy it now is 
only $100.  This thing was up there with the Dragon back in the day, and 
also has dbx and HX Pro.

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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed May 19 15:59:25 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:59:25 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody need a CR1/2 BX spare pb head
Message-ID: <000c01c43da9$7f21b7a0$8f299bca@aisha>


May need to cut and paste to view the page.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31197&item=3816256294&
rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

and there are two of em:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31197&item=3816256291

Good luck,
Salim SM




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed May 19 16:11:00 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 21:11:00 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Anybody need a CR/BX idler gear kit
Message-ID: <002301c43dab$1d993ba0$8f299bca@aisha>


Complete with spare head, capstan and so on:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3816256296&rd=1

Intermezzo: It's only a cassette deck and you pay for what ?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3814876609&rd=1

Cheers,
Salim SM

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu May 20 12:45:43 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:45:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Correction: Onkyo and Yamaha: Doug
Message-ID: <s0aca894.030@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Howdy,

I just needed to correct myself on yesterdays post: the Onkyo I referred to as the last of their good decks is the K-611 and does not bear the TA prefix.

On the Yamahas current GX rec/pb head: it is not as good as the rather fine amorphous designs that they used in models KX-530 upwards from 88/89 into the mid-nineties; i.e. 530, 630 and 930.  Those heads take more level without distortion, are a bit quieter and have better extreme treble characteristics on rec and playback.  I referring to very high HF/low amplitude signals.

Cheers,

Marc

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu May 20 17:22:36 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:22:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Correction: Onkyo and Yamaha: Doug
Message-ID: <s0ace96f.076@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Doug,

The KX-690 which retailed for UK Sterling 400.00 has the "good" heads.  They are identical to the heads used on the KX-500 of '87 and the KX-530, 630 series of '89 onwards.  It's a twelve layer amorphous rec head and playback head, electronically separate but siamesed together to eliminate mutual alignment, azimuth and zenith errors. Yamaha probably used up the balance of their decent three head dual cap mechanisms built when cassette was at it's height and called it a day with the -690.

I'm glad to hear that report about the Onkyo.  I have to admit a real weakness for their mid-eighties designs, such as the 2035, 2058 etc.  I know that tape traders really rated them for a near unbeatable combination of sonics, hardiness and value for money.  Watch out also for the TA-2600 and TA-2800 of the early nineties.  Perhaps a bit too much plastic for diehard Onkyo enthusiasts but well built and purposeful as always.

Cheers,

Marc



>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 05/20/04 03:30PM >>>
Stereo Review ca. 1988 listed the Onkyo deck I referred to as one of the 
top 5 available decks, finishing third I believe, to the Dragon and a 
Revox, and above an H-K and Tandberg.  The H-K was pretty outmatched from 
what I recall of the article.  I'll look over it tonight for additional 
wisdom.

So is the KX-690 the "good" head or the "bad" head. :)

At 12:45 PM 5/20/2004 +0200, Mark Hugo wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>I just needed to correct myself on yesterdays post: the Onkyo I referred 
>to as the last of their good decks is the K-611 and does not bear the TA 
>prefix.
>
>On the Yamahas current GX rec/pb head: it is not as good as the rather 
>fine amorphous designs that they used in models KX-530 upwards from 88/89 
>into the mid-nineties; i.e. 530, 630 and 930.  Those heads take more level 
>without distortion, are a bit quieter and have better extreme treble 
>characteristics on rec and playback.  I referring to very high HF/low 
>amplitude signals.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc

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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Fri May 21 02:16:27 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:16:27 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] NAD 6155
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From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri May 21 05:41:46 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:41:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] NAD 6155
References: <23111010@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <002401c43ee5$8abbc190$a7773242@CopyTech>

Fred:

I receive your music contribution for the Marathon Tape Mark II today.
Thanks !

Carlos

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To: <Naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: [naktalk] NAD 6155


> Hi all,
> Anyone interested in a working example of a NAD 6155? It's a solid little
deck
> with play-trim and some other nice features. Works well, though the FF and
RR
> are a little weak, so probably a new belt is on order. $50 plus shipping.
>
> Also, Bob F. very kindly gave me a copy of his Luxman KX-102 owner's
manual. I
> said I'd make an electronic version available to interested Naktalkers,
which I
> hereby do. If you want a .pdf copy or are interested in the NAD just email
me
> off list (fred.lifton at reed.edu).
> best,
> Fred
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri May 21 18:05:44 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:05:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes: Jon
Message-ID: <s0ae4506.074@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Jon,

Sorry to have neglected getting back to.

Your info on the TDK tapes is right.  The Maxell MS tape I haven't come across, but I'll look at your like and I sill try to get a few samples of the Maxell MS.  The XL has a good shell as it is, but with more damping you can't go wrong.

You are right, the TPII is indeed the Reference Maxima from BASF/EMTEC.  TP stands for "Top Precision" and is an epithet that BASF used for both the Reference Maxima and the Metal Maxima (TPIV) since they had the same mechanisms.  If you peer closely, the shell of the TPIV (Metal Maxima) (if you ever come across one is a deep purple colour.  The Reference Maxima's shell is black.  But nonetheless, the design is the same.

The Reference Master is to my knowledge the same tape as the Reference Maxima but is named differently in the US market.  (I have never owned the former but have seen it photographed and have seen references to it that mention the three-piece machanism).  I don't know why it is differently named in the US, possibly Nissan had bagged the name for themselves already and were worried that people would get mixed up between a cassette and a four-door family taxi.  I just guessing although I wouldn't put it past them.  More cretinous things have happened!!  

The CMII is the BASF / EMTEC Chrome Maxima II.  This a wonderful tape with a beautiful see-through mechanism - two piece, not three as in the Reference Maxima.  Nonetheless, it bears the legend Azimuth Accurate Mechanism (or words to that effect) and has 5 screws bolting it together.  Running in rewind mode on your deck, you will note, it is brilliantly silent and smooth.

The Type II Cassette Hierarchy in BASF is (not all are still made) in descending order:

Reference Maxima TPII (Reference Master in USA)
Chrome Maxima CMII
Chrome Super CSII
Chrome Extra CEII
Chrome Record II

All these tapes will give you plenty of satisfaction.  Many users believe the Ref Maxima to be the best type II around.  However, there are other very fine ones, so that is a subjective issue.  You mentioned the CE - it is a highly dependable chrome - and the easiest BASF to find.  For instance, in Europe it can be a better bet than a TDK SA because of the dubious TDK shells there.

Hope this helps!!

Regards,

Marc




>>> jochi at qwest.net 05/11/04 01:14AM >>>
Marc,

I have read that the main difference between SA-X and SM mastering tape is
that the SM has a better anti-resonance shell than SA-X.

In the same article, the author states the same comparison with Maxell--the
MS mastering tape is XL-II with a better anti-resonance shell.

http://www.audiotools.com/cass.html 

In your E-mail you mention Emtec as having good shells.  What is the
difference between the shells of CMII  and TPII?  And by the way, TPII is I
believe also called Reference II Maxima.  Am I right on this?

What are you calling CMII?  Emtec makes a Reference II Master which is a
type II chrome tape, and Emtec makes a Chrome Extra which is a chrome type
ii tape also.  The Reference II Master is superier to the Chrome Extra
although the Chrome Extra does have a very smooth running shell.

But what is the difference between the Reference
II Master and the Reference II Maxima?  Is the difference mainly in shells
or what?

Thank you for any light you can shed
on this.

Regards,
Jon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes


> Very true Graham,
>
> This is part, and an important part of what makes the BASF tapes so
special to my mind, in particular the CMII and the TPII (roughly parallel
with SA-X and SM-X respectively).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
> >>> Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> 05/08/04 10:37PM >>>
> Don't underestimate the worth of a good quality shell - one of the
problems with the current European batches of the TDK SA is indifferent
quality control on a poorly designed cheap shell, which affects the azimuth
alignment of tape to record head.
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>
> ========================================
> Message date : May 08 2004, 10:13 AM
> >From : "Mark & Michelle Barrett"
> To : "NakTalk" , "Kannan (NakTalk)" , "K.J. Bleus" , BADANTH at aol.com,
"Mark Hugo" , "Stephen Sank" , "NakTalk"
> Copy to :
> Subject : [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
> Folks,
>
> Lately, I've been trying to stockpile metal tapes as I find they're
> quickly becoming less available; more quickly than I anticipated. The
> Sony Metal-SR's at Sam Goody's are gone in the last day or two. One
> quandry I'm caught up in is whether or not I want to purchase any
> "premium" metals like the MA-XG or the MA-EX. All of my experience with
> metals are with the TDK MA, Fuji FR Metal, Maxell MX, and Maxell MX-S.
> Years ago, I had used the MA-X and the MA-R. But, thats it. My
> "standard" metal and best frame of reference is the TDK MA. The question
> I put to all of you is "Are the premium metal tapes worth it ?"
> Here's some data for you to peruse which compares some of the various
> metals with the good 'ole TDK MA as a reference.
>
> Tape TDK MA Sony Metal Master TDK MA-XG TDK
> MA-EX
>
> Coercitivity 1160 1150
> 1140 1160
> Remanence 3200 3600
> 3400 3200
> MOL @ 315 HZ +6.5dB +7.5dB
> +7.5dB +6.5dB
> MOL @ 10kHz 0dB +2dB
> +0.5dB 0dB
>
> As you can see, there's not alot of difference in specs. The numbers for
> the MA-EX lead me to wonder if this is simply MA or MA-X tape in a
> higher quality shell (?). Are they worth the $7.50 per tape starting
> price on eBay ? The famous MA-XG looks a bit better. And the Sony Metal
> Master is impressive.
> I wish I had these same numbers for the MX-S, MA-X, and the Fuji FR Metal.
> I'm not trying to draw absolute conclusions here, just comparing.
> Sometimes, the specs don't tell everything.
>
> Lastly, I'm looking for MA-X and some (slightly) better priced MA-EX
> blanks if anyone knows of sources.
>
> Mark
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat May 22 10:01:51 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:01:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Gold Limited edition - lest no one's seen this
	already ...
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 GUYS!

Go see/drawl/scoff @
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5701018557&ssPageName=ADM
E:B:SS:US:1

Looking at it, it's no wonder some folk would buy it not to play but just to
look at!  Like a piece of art or jewellery, it's a thing of beauty when
presented thus.

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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Sat May 22 17:10:08 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:10:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Gold Limited edition - lest no one's seen
	thisalready ...
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Totally agree with you Graham....It is a tresure.....

Isy
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> GUYS!
>
> Go see/drawl/scoff @
>
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> E:B:SS:US:1
>
> Looking at it, it's no wonder some folk would buy it not to play but just
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun May 23 04:19:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 19:19:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Gold Limited edition - lest no one's
	seenthisalready ...
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	<004201c4400e$e1a20cb0$b96623c8@g8nsv>
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I don't even want to see it. It just bring so many bad memories to me ... Ha
!

Carlos

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> Totally agree with you Graham....It is a tresure.....
>
> Isy
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From bobf at oodg.net  Wed May 19 00:46:28 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:46:28 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha KX-690
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040518124540.00bcea50@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <200405182245.AWT94781@ms9.netsolmail.com>

Note:   The following information came from Stereo magazines of the mid
1980's.
I owned the Luxman deck and the Alpine high end auto system and base
confirmation
of the existence of three DBX chips on my personal listening and the
literature
that came with my Alpine car deck.

I tested and considered 2 Yamaha decks and the Luxman deck when I purchased
my
Luxman in 1984.

And ...
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------

One think to note if purchasing the Yamaha for DBX is that while an
excellent deck.
IMHO better than my Luxman, but it uses the mid range DBX chip.  Thus the
DBX 
playback is not the same as prerecorded DBX tapes or records.

So in my opinion I would not consider this deck for DBX but would only
consider it
for non-DBX recording and playback.  You can sure record your own DBX but
the 
playback will only sounds 100% when used with the Yamaha or several others
that
used the "DBX 2" chip set.  

I think the 3 different DBX chips were one of the reasons that DBX did not
do well.
DBX, Luxman, Alpine and selected others used the high end "DBX 3" chip.
Most commercial
DBX recording, but not all, used the "DBX 3" chip set.  Several mass market
sets
used the "DBX 1" chip that IMHO made no difference at all over Dolby.  In
fact with a 
pre-recorded DBX cassette it seemed to breath like a heave azimuth problem.

But again this is only my Humble Opinion and I have been wrong before.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Derrick Beckner
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 09:52
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha KX-690

Just bought up this deck (haven't received it yet) to try out the HX Pro and
Dolby S features.  Has some other nice things like Play Trim, which sounds a
bit like Playhead Azimuth, real-time counter, 3 head, 3 motor, dual
capistan, auto bias adjustment for recording, and a recently built model
(1997-2000 or so).  Figured if nothing else it'd be good for getting the
most out of my live tapes, most of which were trades with people with
suspect decks, and which the Nak doesn't like much, and for the car.  Did
some research and Yamaha decks, at least the top enders, seem to be pretty
well regarded, and much cheaper than the high end Naks, Teacs, etc.  Anybody
have experience with Yamaha decks?

Also, if there are any tecchies, there is an awsome Onkyo Integra TA-2090 on
ebay.  Non functioning, but the bid is at only .99 and the Buy it now is
only $100.  This thing was up there with the Dragon back in the day, and
also has dbx and HX Pro.

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From luis at peromarta.org  Wed May 19 01:39:54 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 01:39:54 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha KX-690
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040518124540.00bcea50@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <d46ee58d47106a.d47106ad46ee58@vsnl.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040518124540.00bcea50@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <20040518233953.GA11975@peromarta.org>

Yamaha's "Play Trim" is more of a "fine tune" eq setting. No azimuth
correction on yamahas - except for your own screwdriver ...

rgds, LP.

El 18/05/04 a las 12:52, dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu dijo : 

> Just bought up this deck (haven't received it yet) to try out the HX Pro 
> and Dolby S features.  Has some other nice things like Play Trim, which 
> sounds a bit like Playhead Azimuth,


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From BADANTH at aol.com  Wed May 19 13:01:18 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:01:18 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] CR1A Playback Trouble
Message-ID: <cf.d08ea87.2ddc987e@aol.com>

I just wanted to make sure my question was received by the list with all the 
email trouble lately. 

I just pulled out my CR1A deck to give it a workout and cleaning but ran into 
some trouble. Upon start up the deck worked perfectly and played the tape 
with no problem. After I stopped the tape to rewind/fast forward it would not 
play again. The stop button light was lit and it wouldn't play,FF or RW until I 
turned off the power and tried again. This time the tape played fine until I 
stopped it again and it did the same thing as before and locked up. Can anyone 
tell me what may be the problem and how I may be able to fix it?

Thanks,
Anthony




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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu May 20 14:09:40 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:09:40 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Before buying a Dragon
References: <d46ee58d47106a.d47106ad46ee58@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <002001c43e63$547b55f0$1010a8c0@tg>

Thanks alot Kannan.

Yes, you are right with azimuth tracking problem with Dragon. First time had
the chance to check Dragon. Checked its playing, recording with different
brands. I must say I was so disappointed with Dragon. I agree to Alex that
so much plastic materials used on the deck; frequency response in recording
also poor. For sure deck might need alignment but anyhow Dragon just
sucks!!! Replaced it with ZX9; it just blows away 10 times Dragon. Its not
an exaggeration.
One who uses Zx9 knows how beyond this deck is.

Thanks again for your valuable comments.
Tayfur



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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Before buying a Dragon


>
> Hi Tayfur
> Whenever you are buying a Dragon - check whether it plays a tape on
reverse after first side is complete automatically. Generally Dragon can
have azimuth tracking or reverse play ( again Azimuth tracking problem on
one direction)problems. They both need expert attention. Sometimes it can
also show problems in Dolby and play circuits because of Orange cap problem.
Always assume that you may have spend a bit on maintanence issue afte you
purchase !
> What I gave Mr Ken was a mint Dragon( absolutely mint) - and it gave few
problems after a month of use!
> Anyway spend an hour with dragon playing and recording if at all possible
( ebay purchase - assume that the Dragon needs technician attention asap!)
before buying it.
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tayfur Gunay <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:05 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Before buying a Dragon
>
> > Dear Nakkers,
> >
> > I know some of you have Dragon. In the recent marathon tape
> > project had the
> > chance to listen Dragon recodings thanks to Carlos. I'm about to
> > get a nice
> > Dragon shortly. I'd like to know what visual /optical and audible
> > tests shud
> > I perform to be sure about mechanical and sonic condition of the
> > unit. I
> > appreciate your valuable help (especailly Kannan and Ken and
> > Carlos and also
> > others too). I mean, I am not an expert also not will have the
> > chance to
> > check the unit professionally. For instance, other than cosmetic
> > apperrence,what points shud be checked. I appreciate your detailed
> > help.
> > Thanks alot to anyone who have a couple lines to drop.
> >
> > Tayfur
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu May 20 14:33:39 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:33:39 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha KX-690
References: <s0ab1eeb.023@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <006e01c43e66$ae3f8040$1010a8c0@tg>

I have Yamaha's two monster decks;

KX-1200
K-1020

First I owned K-1020, which is the father of KX-1200.  K-1020 making
incredible recordings. After my Naks, its my second star. These are the
brands I tested Yamaha 1020 and blowed the away. (Sony ES (not TCK 3/6AES) ,
Teac 8030, Pioneers (Not CT-91/93/95), Nad 6300 monitor, Technics RSB965,
Revox H1-alike B215)

I have always wanted to have KX-1200 assuming Amorphous head design at 24000
Khz will beat my K-1020 (which has sanddust). Great surprise KX-1200 failed
in many high responses. Father was the winner. So, being very affordable
machine 1020 is still around 150 Euro. Get one and see the winners
performance!!!

Best wishes...
Tayfur

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yamaha KX-690


> Hi Doug,
>
> The KX-690 was the last double capstan deck made by Yamaha.  Once it was
discontinued, their line-up was led by the KX-580/580SE.  In general, Yamaha
decks last a long time and are built well, with not too much plastic.  They
have somewhat clunky transports a la Pioneer but this does not detract from
solid performances and reliability.  Once you get used to the control set,
they are quite nice to use.  The play trim is an electronic remedy for the
mechanical shortcomings that create azimuth error and, as such, is not an
azimuth correction but a sort of pseudo-acoustic panelbeating.  It's similar
to FLEX circuitry on Pioneers, but is effected before the bias trap I think.
My dad's KX-393 is a very compatible playback machine for recordings I make
on my TASCAM, Nakamichis and Pioneer.  It also makes pretty good recordings
itself provided you keep the recording levels well under control.
>
> The Onkyo 2090 was Onkyos best machine (their last shot at a superdeck,
the TA-611 in Champagne Gold retailed for around UK Sterling 470.00).  The
2090 was not seriously aiming for the top-end Nak market (perhaps by the
salespeople!!) but more at Harmon-Kardon's CD 491, Yamaha KX-1200 and with a
push and a shove, a TEAC V-7000.  Darn good and probably a cigar, but not
quite a Havana!!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Marc
>
>
> >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 05/18/04 06:52PM >>>
> Just bought up this deck (haven't received it yet) to try out the HX Pro
> and Dolby S features.  Has some other nice things like Play Trim, which
> sounds a bit like Playhead Azimuth, real-time counter, 3 head, 3 motor,
> dual capistan, auto bias adjustment for recording, and a recently built
> model (1997-2000 or so).  Figured if nothing else it'd be good for getting
> the most out of my live tapes, most of which were trades with people with
> suspect decks, and which the Nak doesn't like much, and for the car.  Did
> some research and Yamaha decks, at least the top enders, seem to be pretty
> well regarded, and much cheaper than the high end Naks, Teacs,
> etc.  Anybody have experience with Yamaha decks?
>
> Also, if there are any tecchies, there is an awsome Onkyo Integra TA-2090
> on ebay.  Non functioning, but the bid is at only .99 and the Buy it now
is
> only $100.  This thing was up there with the Dragon back in the day, and
> also has dbx and HX Pro.
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From Michael.Schreiber at wideviewpics.de  Tue May 18 23:55:32 2004
From: Michael.Schreiber at wideviewpics.de (Michael Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:55:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [nakmart] Nakamichi Pre-recorded Test tape
References: <6.1bd275aa.2ce2bc29@aol.com> <006901c3a906$8b725650$1210a8c0@TG>
	<20040518160159.GB6415@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <009201c43d23$063765a0$0700a8c0@schreibtisch>

Hi Luis,

I use test-cassettes from a German company called BUROSCH
http://www.burosch.de/deutsch/shop/index.html
then go = Messgeräte
then go = Audio Testcassette

To my knowledge Nak, EMTEC and all the other major brands do not produce
audio testcassettes anymore.
If I'm wrong, please send informations on dealers etc.

Best regards
Michael Schreiber


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To: "Buy/sell/trade/share Nakamichi Cassette Deck related goods"
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Cc: <naktalk at naks.com>; <juan-jose.vilas at hp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:01 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [nakmart] Nakamichi Pre-recorded Test tape


> Dear friends,
>
> After some hours working on a Nak 1000ZXL, changing 55 PP caps, and most
> logic gates and opamps, I bought a dead ZXL back to life.
>
> I need test tapes to align the mosnter - which is not too bad, but have
> no idea which p/n should I get, and whether or not Nakamichi can supply
> them, or what would be a good replacement.
>
> Thanks for the inputs, and best rgds, LP.
>
>
>
>
> El 12/11/03 a las 12:20, t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr dijo :
>
> > Would suggest the tape(S) of Teac Group,other than BASF;  reason is Teac
provides two individual tapes; one for calibration tape (MTT356U $79.80) and
another for alignment (MTT111N $28.00), while BASF does it on one tape only,
@  $165.00.
> >
> > I think, Teac, both money&quality-wise, is preferable!!!
> >
> > Best to all.
> > Tayfur
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed May 19 19:29:03 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:29:03 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Before buying a Dragon
Message-ID: <BAY18-F35YIxmuWMUe7000356a9@hotmail.com>

Hello to all of You!

When I receive my gifte Dragon after 20 years of been storage, fist refuse 
to calibrate my also received TDK-X100 cassettes, so I leave it ON for 36 
hours continuosly, and after so the Calibration work as intended, also for 
the first time I decided to use the Auto-Reverse facility, and when change 
the side...make a big Gear noise..., I spray very little Prestone Silicone 
spray after that the door was disembleded, to all the lower white Teflon 
type gears at the bottom, wait 3 minutes, a second lightly spray waith 3 
more minutes, mount back the door, clean and degause all the heads, and from 
there work fine!

Enjoy your Dragon!

Sincerely,

ALEX!





>From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Before buying a Dragon
>Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:43:20 -0700
>
>
>Hi Tayfur
>Whenever you are buying a Dragon - check whether it plays a tape on reverse 
>after first side is complete automatically. Generally Dragon can have 
>azimuth tracking or reverse play ( again Azimuth tracking problem on one 
>direction)problems. They both need expert attention. Sometimes it can also 
>show problems in Dolby and play circuits because of Orange cap problem. 
>Always assume that you may have spend a bit on maintanence issue afte you 
>purchase !
>What I gave Mr Ken was a mint Dragon( absolutely mint) - and it gave few 
>problems after a month of use!
>Anyway spend an hour with dragon playing and recording if at all possible ( 
>ebay purchase - assume that the Dragon needs technician attention asap!) 
>before buying it.
>kannan
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Tayfur Gunay <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
>Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:05 am
>Subject: [naktalk] Before buying a Dragon
>
> > Dear Nakkers,
> >
> > I know some of you have Dragon. In the recent marathon tape
> > project had the
> > chance to listen Dragon recodings thanks to Carlos. I'm about to
> > get a nice
> > Dragon shortly. I'd like to know what visual /optical and audible
> > tests shud
> > I perform to be sure about mechanical and sonic condition of the
> > unit. I
> > appreciate your valuable help (especailly Kannan and Ken and
> > Carlos and also
> > others too). I mean, I am not an expert also not will have the
> > chance to
> > check the unit professionally. For instance, other than cosmetic
> > apperrence,what points shud be checked. I appreciate your detailed
> > help.
> > Thanks alot to anyone who have a couple lines to drop.
> >
> > Tayfur
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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Thu May 20 06:26:56 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 21:26:56 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Cap-Replaced Calibrated Clean Dragon
In-Reply-To: <002301c43dab$1d993ba0$8f299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <000601c43e22$b169af00$1e01000a@c994264f>

Gents, I would like to put this out among us before it gets to eBay. I had a
Dragon recently done by Mr Sank. He's replaced the all 36 orange caps,
replaced some op-amps, and replaced a cmos. The face has nicks (by the
direction LED), about a 8.5 out of 10. 
 
I only have a copy of the manual to accompany, but it's a sought after model
with a switchable 120v/240v switch. Please let me know off-line if you are
interested. I'm offering it up for $650 + shipping.
 
Kannan and Ti Kan have seen it, and liked the work done by Stephen. In fact,
Ti opened it and calibrated his Dragon against this one. I own a CR-7a and a
CR-4a. I just won a a/d/s/ C-4 on eBay, so a deck has to go. I'm in the SF
Bay Area - Mike  
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu May 20 15:30:18 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:30:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Correction: Onkyo and Yamaha: Doug
In-Reply-To: <s0aca894.030@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040520092544.035f8268@psulias.psu.edu>

Stereo Review ca. 1988 listed the Onkyo deck I referred to as one of the 
top 5 available decks, finishing third I believe, to the Dragon and a 
Revox, and above an H-K and Tandberg.  The H-K was pretty outmatched from 
what I recall of the article.  I'll look over it tonight for additional 
wisdom.

So is the KX-690 the "good" head or the "bad" head. :)

At 12:45 PM 5/20/2004 +0200, Mark Hugo wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>I just needed to correct myself on yesterdays post: the Onkyo I referred 
>to as the last of their good decks is the K-611 and does not bear the TA 
>prefix.
>
>On the Yamahas current GX rec/pb head: it is not as good as the rather 
>fine amorphous designs that they used in models KX-530 upwards from 88/89 
>into the mid-nineties; i.e. 530, 630 and 930.  Those heads take more level 
>without distortion, are a bit quieter and have better extreme treble 
>characteristics on rec and playback.  I referring to very high HF/low 
>amplitude signals.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu May 20 18:21:09 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:21:09 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Couple more Yamaha questions
In-Reply-To: <20040413172610781.AAA1648%ns.rockbridge.net@mail.rockbridg e.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040520121902.03593f58@psulias.psu.edu>

I know this is a Nak forum, but you all seem very wise in the way of the 
tape. :)

The KX-690 has "Double Dolby NR" and "Double HX Pro" and "160Khz recording 
Bias".
Any idea what the merits of such things are?
Thanks,



From GalloRF at aol.com  Fri May 21 07:15:13 2004
From: GalloRF at aol.com (GalloRF at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 01:15:13 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] ZX 7 trouble
Message-ID: <1db.220e5003.2ddeea61@aol.com>

Hello Kannan
Apologies for the trady response, and thank you for your suggestions.
I'll follow them through and advise outcome.
Cheers
Robert 

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From GalloRF at aol.com  Fri May 21 07:17:33 2004
From: GalloRF at aol.com (GalloRF at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 01:17:33 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
Message-ID: <1aa.24429e98.2ddeeaed@aol.com>

G'Day Tom 
My apologies for not responding earlier. I've been travelling on business 
over the past month and only now catching up with my emails.
Thank you so much for your response.
I've lost faith in the technicians recommended by the Nakamichi agent here so 
I'm going to attempt the surgery myself. I wonder if I can refer to you for 
more quidance over the next few weeks if i become unstuck.
Cheers
Robert

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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Fri May 21 07:50:17 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 22:50:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Sank-Certified Dragon Looking for a New Home ...
In-Reply-To: <d46ee58d47106a.d47106ad46ee58@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <000001c43ef7$7eff20b0$1e01000a@c994264f>

Gents, I would like to put this out among us before it gets to eBay. I had a
Dragon recently done by Mr Sank. He's replaced the all 36 orange caps,
replaced some op-amps, and replaced a cmos. The face has nicks (by the
direction LED), about a 8.5 out of 10. 
 
I only have a copy of the manual to accompany, but it's a sought after model
with a switchable 120v/240v switch. Please let me know off-line if you are
interested. I'm offering it up for $650 + shipping.
 
Kannan and Ti Kan have seen it, and liked the work done by Stephen. In fact,
Ti opened it and calibrated his Dragon against this one. I own a CR-7a and a
CR-4a. I just won a a/d/s/ C-4 on eBay, so a deck has to go. I'm in the SF
Bay Area - Mike  




From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri May 21 12:45:36 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:45:36 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
References: <20040505050557.78030.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com>
	<002b01c432c0$5820c9f0$59773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001201c43f22$cc38a9c0$1010a8c0@tg>

Carlos,

Is the project still ongoing???? CanI send my recording done on ZX9??
Whats your full adress??
Best regards,
Tayfur

----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Hello Guys:
>
> The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with contributions
> from members of this list and other friends that are not members but has
> offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a contributor
from
> Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song. Mr Ochi
> send a very nice Blues selection too.
>
> This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members as the
> first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll proceed to
> duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri May 21 12:40:09 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:40:09 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
References: <200405112323.AWD50668@ms9.netsolmail.com>
	<40A23387.9040006@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <001101c43f22$cba73f30$1010a8c0@tg>

Hi Ron,

Any possibility to have the service manual for the CR7 by e-mail.

Thanks for your response.
Tayfur
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7


>
> Bob, you must be mistaken. I have a service manual for the
> CR-7, CR-7A and CR-7E. The ONLY difference is in the power
> transformer and fuse rating, plus a slide switch in the
> CR-7. See my previous response in this thread.
>
> In addition, I have never heard of a CR-7II. I would be much
> interested in any details you can come up with -- specs,
> brochure, etc. Much obliged,
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> Bob Folline wrote:
> > As someone who has owned both I remember the CR-7 being available
> > when I purchased my CR-5.  I was planning to trade my CR-5 in for
> > a CR-7 but the dealer suggested I wait for the CR-7A.  I did wait
> > for about 5 years then held off again with the announcement of the
> > CR-7AII.
> >
> > As for changes the CR-7 to CR-7A added more noise filtering in the
> > power section but not much more.  The CR-7AII was a complete upgrade.
> >
> > I have been very happy with the CR-7AII and really like the ability to
> > record directly from tape to tape.
> >
> > I still have my CR-7AII and the manuals if you want more information
> > on that.
> >
> > Bob Folline
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf
> > Of Scott Duncan
> > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 15:04
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7
> >
> >
> > I'm sure this has been asked before. But, What is the difference between
the
> > CR-7, CR-7A?
>
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri May 21 14:27:13 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:27:13 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
Message-ID: <019001c43f2e$f29d7f30$1010a8c0@tg>

Anyone ever felt, while recording with some Nakamichi decks (I experienced
the same with RX505, ZX9) , especially in the beginning of the tape (or
between tracks when no sound heard) theres a very slight background sound as
if reflecting the sound on the other side of the tape.I'm talking about a
deck of which heads already aligned and everything is OK.This could be
because of structure of the head block. Not same for CR DR series etc as
those have different structure.
Any comments / experience???
Tayfur



From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat May 22 17:05:17 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:05:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Gold Limited edition - lest no one's seen
	thisalready ...
References: <000f01c43fd3$0a85b280$88e54c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000c01c4400e$31f89130$38b40642@johnnyrotten>

Graham,

Don't waste your time discussing this with your wife as you have the 
blessing of the Naktalk members to go ahead and throw the required amount of 
money needed to purchase this beautiful beast. Please don't think beyond the 
purchase about unavailable parts and round trip shipping to New Mexico for 
tuning! ;-)

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 4:01 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Gold Limited edition - lest no one's seen 
thisalready ...


> GUYS!
>
> Go see/drawl/scoff @
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5701018557&ssPageName=ADM
> E:B:SS:US:1
>
> Looking at it, it's no wonder some folk would buy it not to play but just 
> to
> look at!  Like a piece of art or jewellery, it's a thing of beauty when
> presented thus.
>
> Gra'
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From hifiman at dsl.pipex.com  Sat May 22 22:10:31 2004
From: hifiman at dsl.pipex.com (hifiman)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 21:10:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Auto reverse.....
Message-ID: <002b01c44038$db05c070$04805651@STUDY>

So Nakamichi were beaten to the 'flip-over' method of auto-reverse by
Akai....
 
I have never heard of this before.....  the   AKAI CS50 
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5700149731&categor
y=4784&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1>
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Sun May 23 02:00:32 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:00:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Gold Limited edition - lest no
	one's	seenthisalready ...
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From vasantha020563 at btopenworld.com  Sun May 23 14:04:53 2004
From: vasantha020563 at btopenworld.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?VASANTHA=20PERERA?=)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:04:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Gold Limited edition - lest no one's
	seenthisalready ...
In-Reply-To: <002e01c4406c$5cf51df0$7a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20040523120453.45547.qmail@web86305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hey! Guys  
If you keep this up they're going to rename this site JACK-amichi.          Sam.
El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:I don't even want to see it. It just bring so many bad memories to me ... Ha
!

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Isy Fidelman" 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Gold Limited edition - lest no one's
seenthisalready ...


> Totally agree with you Graham....It is a tresure.....
>
> Isy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" 
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 4:01 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Gold Limited edition - lest no one's seen
> thisalready ...
>
>
> > GUYS!
> >
> > Go see/drawl/scoff @
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5701018557&ssPageName=ADM
> > E:B:SS:US:1
> >
> > Looking at it, it's no wonder some folk would buy it not to play but
just
> to
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From jochi at qwest.net  Mon May 24 02:45:03 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:45:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes: Jon
References: <s0ae4506.074@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000801c44128$5a760dc0$0400000a@uswest.net>

Marc,

Thank you for the very thorough explanation about BASF/Emtec tapes.  I find
the shells and roller mechanisms on the BASF/Emtec to be as good as or
better than any other brand.  The Reference II Master is as good as or
better  than any Type II tape on the market IMHO.   But my opinion is
subjective and not derived from any technical or other "objective" criteria.
I agree with you there are other very fine tapes on the market.

One nice feature of the Chrome II Extra tape is, according to Emtec, that
the shell is able to withstand very high temperatures--185 degrees
Fahrenheit, making this particular cassette ideal for carrying around in
cars in the summertime.

http://products.emtec-group.com/en/en/Consumer_Media/Taping/Audio_Tapes/Chrome_Extra_Ii/

The Ferro I Extra is a Type I tape that also has the high temperature
capacity.  I find the Ferro I Extra to have a very smooth rolling mechanism
also.  The sound of the tape is also very good, although, like all Type I
tapes, the background is more noisy than Type II tapes.

In sum, the BASF/Emtec line seems to be less well known, but IMHO is very
high quality across the entire product line.
Your observations help confirm my own opinion derived from what my ears tell
me.

Thanks again for sharing your experiences.

Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes: Jon


> Hi Jon,
>
> Sorry to have neglected getting back to.
>
> Your info on the TDK tapes is right.  The Maxell MS tape I haven't come
across, but I'll look at your like and I sill try to get a few samples of
the Maxell MS.  The XL has a good shell as it is, but with more damping you
can't go wrong.
>
> You are right, the TPII is indeed the Reference Maxima from BASF/EMTEC.
TP stands for "Top Precision" and is an epithet that BASF used for both the
Reference Maxima and the Metal Maxima (TPIV) since they had the same mechani
sms.  If you peer closely, the shell of the TPIV (Metal Maxima) (if you ever
come across one is a deep purple colour.  The Reference Maxima's shell is
black.  But nonetheless, the design is the same.
>
> The Reference Master is to my knowledge the same tape as the Reference
Maxima but is named differently in the US market.  (I have never owned the
former but have seen it photographed and have seen references to it that
mention the three-piece machanism).  I don't know why it is differently
named in the US, possibly Nissan had bagged the name for themselves already
and were worried that people would get mixed up between a cassette and a
four-door family taxi.  I just guessing although I wouldn't put it past
them.  More cretinous things have happened!!
>
> The CMII is the BASF / EMTEC Chrome Maxima II.  This a wonderful tape with
a beautiful see-through mechanism - two piece, not three as in the Reference
Maxima.  Nonetheless, it bears the legend Azimuth Accurate Mechanism (or
words to that effect) and has 5 screws bolting it together.  Running in
rewind mode on your deck, you will note, it is brilliantly silent and
smooth.
>
> The Type II Cassette Hierarchy in BASF is (not all are still made) in
descending order:
>
> Reference Maxima TPII (Reference Master in USA)
> Chrome Maxima CMII
> Chrome Super CSII
> Chrome Extra CEII
> Chrome Record II
>
> All these tapes will give you plenty of satisfaction.  Many users believe
the Ref Maxima to be the best type II around.  However, there are other very
fine ones, so that is a subjective issue.  You mentioned the CE - it is a
highly dependable chrome - and the easiest BASF to find.  For instance, in
Europe it can be a better bet than a TDK SA because of the dubious TDK
shells there.
>
> Hope this helps!!
>
> Regards,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
> >>> jochi at qwest.net 05/11/04 01:14AM >>>
> Marc,
>
> I have read that the main difference between SA-X and SM mastering tape is
> that the SM has a better anti-resonance shell than SA-X.
>
> In the same article, the author states the same comparison with
Maxell--the
> MS mastering tape is XL-II with a better anti-resonance shell.
>
> http://www.audiotools.com/cass.html
>
> In your E-mail you mention Emtec as having good shells.  What is the
> difference between the shells of CMII  and TPII?  And by the way, TPII is
I
> believe also called Reference II Maxima.  Am I right on this?
>
> What are you calling CMII?  Emtec makes a Reference II Master which is a
> type II chrome tape, and Emtec makes a Chrome Extra which is a chrome type
> ii tape also.  The Reference II Master is superier to the Chrome Extra
> although the Chrome Extra does have a very smooth running shell.
>
> But what is the difference between the Reference
> II Master and the Reference II Maxima?  Is the difference mainly in shells
> or what?
>
> Thank you for any light you can shed
> on this.
>
> Regards,
> Jon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>; <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 1:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
>
>
> > Very true Graham,
> >
> > This is part, and an important part of what makes the BASF tapes so
> special to my mind, in particular the CMII and the TPII (roughly parallel
> with SA-X and SM-X respectively).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > >>> Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> 05/08/04 10:37PM >>>
> > Don't underestimate the worth of a good quality shell - one of the
> problems with the current European batches of the TDK SA is indifferent
> quality control on a poorly designed cheap shell, which affects the
azimuth
> alignment of tape to record head.
> > Graham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ========================================
> > Message date : May 08 2004, 10:13 AM
> > >From : "Mark & Michelle Barrett"
> > To : "NakTalk" , "Kannan (NakTalk)" , "K.J. Bleus" , BADANTH at aol.com,
> "Mark Hugo" , "Stephen Sank" , "NakTalk"
> > Copy to :
> > Subject : [naktalk] Discussion of Premium Metal Tapes
> > Folks,
> >
> > Lately, I've been trying to stockpile metal tapes as I find they're
> > quickly becoming less available; more quickly than I anticipated. The
> > Sony Metal-SR's at Sam Goody's are gone in the last day or two. One
> > quandry I'm caught up in is whether or not I want to purchase any
> > "premium" metals like the MA-XG or the MA-EX. All of my experience with
> > metals are with the TDK MA, Fuji FR Metal, Maxell MX, and Maxell MX-S.
> > Years ago, I had used the MA-X and the MA-R. But, thats it. My
> > "standard" metal and best frame of reference is the TDK MA. The question
> > I put to all of you is "Are the premium metal tapes worth it ?"
> > Here's some data for you to peruse which compares some of the various
> > metals with the good 'ole TDK MA as a reference.
> >
> > Tape TDK MA Sony Metal Master TDK MA-XG TDK
> > MA-EX
> >
> > Coercitivity 1160 1150
> > 1140 1160
> > Remanence 3200 3600
> > 3400 3200
> > MOL @ 315 HZ +6.5dB +7.5dB
> > +7.5dB +6.5dB
> > MOL @ 10kHz 0dB +2dB
> > +0.5dB 0dB
> >
> > As you can see, there's not alot of difference in specs. The numbers for
> > the MA-EX lead me to wonder if this is simply MA or MA-X tape in a
> > higher quality shell (?). Are they worth the $7.50 per tape starting
> > price on eBay ? The famous MA-XG looks a bit better. And the Sony Metal
> > Master is impressive.
> > I wish I had these same numbers for the MX-S, MA-X, and the Fuji FR
Metal.
> > I'm not trying to draw absolute conclusions here, just comparing.
> > Sometimes, the specs don't tell everything.
> >
> > Lastly, I'm looking for MA-X and some (slightly) better priced MA-EX
> > blanks if anyone knows of sources.
> >
> > Mark
> >
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From GalloRF at aol.com  Fri May 21 08:29:32 2004
From: GalloRF at aol.com (GalloRF at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 02:29:32 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
Message-ID: <1e5.20e4aef7.2ddefbcc@aol.com>

Tom
Your description is spot on. I've yet to retrieve the ZX7 from the workshop 
but from memory it was doing something very similar. 
For the time being I'll go through this and your later email with the 
alterations suggested.
Many thanks for your input
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon May 24 23:17:51 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:17:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
In-Reply-To: <019001c43f2e$f29d7f30$1010a8c0@tg>
Message-ID: <002701c441d4$925913c0$bf65893e@oemcomputer>

I have heard this before but not with my ZX9.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Tayfur Gunay
> Sent: 21 May 2004 13:27
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
>
>
> Anyone ever felt, while recording with some Nakamichi decks (I experienced
> the same with RX505, ZX9) , especially in the beginning of the tape (or
> between tracks when no sound heard) theres a very slight
> background sound as
> if reflecting the sound on the other side of the tape.I'm talking about a
> deck of which heads already aligned and everything is OK.This could be
> because of structure of the head block. Not same for CR DR series etc as
> those have different structure.
> Any comments / experience???
> Tayfur
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon May 24 23:17:53 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:17:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
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May the Force be with you, Robert!

Gra'
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  Sent: 21 May 2004 06:18
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!


  G'Day Tom
  My apologies for not responding earlier. I've been travelling on business
over the past month and only now catching up with my emails.
  Thank you so much for your response.
  I've lost faith in the technicians recommended by the Nakamichi agent here
so I'm going to attempt the surgery myself. I wonder if I can refer to you
for more quidance over the next few weeks if i become unstuck.
  Cheers
  Robert

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue May 25 04:14:40 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:14:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
References: <20040505050557.78030.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com><002b01c432c0$5820c9f0$59773242@CopyTech>
	<001201c43f22$cc38a9c0$1010a8c0@tg>
Message-ID: <004a01c441fe$0b0a2790$c1773242@CopyTech>

Yes. You can send it to me. Deadline is May 31.

Thanks,

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Carlos,
>
> Is the project still ongoing???? CanI send my recording done on ZX9??
> Whats your full adress??
> Best regards,
> Tayfur
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:45 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
>
> > Hello Guys:
> >
> > The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with
contributions
> > from members of this list and other friends that are not members but has
> > offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a contributor
> from
> > Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> > Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song. Mr
Ochi
> > send a very nice Blues selection too.
> >
> > This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> > unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members as
the
> > first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll proceed to
> > duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue May 25 01:12:10 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:12:10 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Auto reverse.....
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D502@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Akai may have introduced this feature before Nakamichi but the Akai deck
look so bad compared to the Nak RX... and would not sound as good too. Just
my 2 cents
 
    Tom. 

-----Original Message-----
From: hifiman [mailto:hifiman at dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: Sunday, 23 May 2004 6:11 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Auto reverse.....


So Nakamichi were beaten to the 'flip-over' method of auto-reverse by
Akai....
 
I have never heard of this before.....  the   AKAI CS50 
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5700149731&category=47
84&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1>
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue May 25 01:12:44 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:12:44 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D503@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Not a problem Robert, I'll try and help you as much as possible.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: GalloRF at aol.com [mailto:GalloRF at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 21 May 2004 3:18 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: CD rot?? YES!!


G'Day Tom 
My apologies for not responding earlier. I've been travelling on business
over the past month and only now catching up with my emails.
Thank you so much for your response.
I've lost faith in the technicians recommended by the Nakamichi agent here
so I'm going to attempt the surgery myself. I wonder if I can refer to you
for more quidance over the next few weeks if i become unstuck.
Cheers
Robert
 
-------------------------------------------
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Principal

DHI Pty Ltd
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Australia
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue May 25 01:18:11 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:18:11 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D504@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Yep this ha certainly happened to me on many nak decks. The funny thing
though is that it does not do it on all tapes, it does it on certain vintage
tapes - around 1981-1985, and not on all of them. Strange one this as I
cannot pin-point the cause. I have a Sank calibrated RX505 and the problem
occurs, then I take the tape out and put it in my BX300 - same thing! I
would not worry Tayfur because the sound is so dull it is almost
unnoticeable. 

	Regards,

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr]
Sent: Friday, 21 May 2004 10:27 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording


Anyone ever felt, while recording with some Nakamichi decks (I experienced
the same with RX505, ZX9) , especially in the beginning of the tape (or
between tracks when no sound heard) theres a very slight background sound as
if reflecting the sound on the other side of the tape.I'm talking about a
deck of which heads already aligned and everything is OK.This could be
because of structure of the head block. Not same for CR DR series etc as
those have different structure.
Any comments / experience???
Tayfur

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue May 25 01:28:01 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:28:01 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] CR1A Playback Trouble
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D505@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I'm taking a guess here Anthony but I would say that the deck may have a
problem with the cam motor/mode sensor section. If you take a look inside
the unit you will see at the mechanism that there is a motor that turns when
a function is initiated, that is to say when you press play or FF. There are
three switches that send the binary code back to the microprocessor to let
it know what mode the mechanism is at, perhaps these switches are dirty and
need a gentle clean to allow the contacts to work again.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: BADANTH at aol.com [mailto:BADANTH at aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2004 9:01 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1A Playback Trouble


I just wanted to make sure my question was received by the list with all the
email trouble lately. 

I just pulled out my CR1A deck to give it a workout and cleaning but ran
into some trouble. Upon start up the deck worked perfectly and played the
tape with no problem. After I stopped the tape to rewind/fast forward it
would not play again. The stop button light was lit and it wouldn't play,FF
or RW until I turned off the power and tried again. This time the tape
played fine until I stopped it again and it did the same thing as before and
locked up. Can anyone tell me what may be the problem and how I may be able
to fix it?

Thanks,
Anthony






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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue May 25 01:30:19 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:30:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
In-Reply-To: <004a01c441fe$0b0a2790$c1773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <004c01c441e7$13968960$bf65893e@oemcomputer>

Carlos

My tape is in the post to you ... sent on Saturday.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 25 May 2004 03:15
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
>
> Yes. You can send it to me. Deadline is May 31.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
>
> > Carlos,
> >
> > Is the project still ongoing???? CanI send my recording done on ZX9??
> > Whats your full adress??
> > Best regards,
> > Tayfur
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:45 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
> >
> >
> > > Hello Guys:
> > >
> > > The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with
> contributions
> > > from members of this list and other friends that are not
> members but has
> > > offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a
> contributor
> > from
> > > Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also from
> > > Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song. Mr
> Ochi
> > > send a very nice Blues selection too.
> > >
> > > This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> > > unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members as
> the
> > > first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll proceed to
> > > duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue May 25 01:33:51 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:33:51 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D506@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Carlos, I hope that my tape will reach you in time. Sorry about not taking
an interest, this is purely due to the fact that I was not receiving any
e-mail from naktalk and had no idea. What is your postal address again?

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:15 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


Yes. You can send it to me. Deadline is May 31.

Thanks,

Carlos


From sharpei at verizon.net  Tue May 25 01:24:00 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:24:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Simpler EQ Adjust ?
Message-ID: <40B28410.1090502@verizon.net>

Folks,

Found out my ZX-7 eq has been super-tuned for best performance with 
Maxell XLII tape. Great (and I asked for it at the time), but, it limits 
my flexibility with other tapes. The only method I know of for adjusting 
the record amp eq is the cut bias jumper-test/adjust-resolder bias 
jumper method specified in the service manual. I hear there's a better 
(and possibly simpler ?) way. Can one of you give me direction ?

Mark
sharpei at verizon.net


From icarus6 at telusplanet.net  Mon May 24 22:27:45 2004
From: icarus6 at telusplanet.net (Stanley Waterman)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:27:45 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Cap-Replaced Calibrated Clean Dragon
References: <000601c43e22$b169af00$1e01000a@c994264f>
Message-ID: <001401c441cd$92ba4ac0$22ba7ec7@ab.hsia.telus.net>

MessageHello,
I am interested and would like your phone number so i can call you about the details.
Stanley
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:26 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Cap-Replaced Calibrated Clean Dragon


  Gents, I would like to put this out among us before it gets to eBay. I had a Dragon recently done by Mr Sank. He's replaced the all 36 orange caps, replaced some op-amps, and replaced a cmos. The face has nicks (by the direction LED), about a 8.5 out of 10. 

  I only have a copy of the manual to accompany, but it's a sought after model with a switchable 120v/240v switch. Please let me know off-line if you are interested. I'm offering it up for $650 + shipping.

  Kannan and Ti Kan have seen it, and liked the work done by Stephen. In fact, Ti opened it and calibrated his Dragon against this one. I own a CR-7a and a CR-4a. I just won a a/d/s/ C-4 on eBay, so a deck has to go. I'm in the SF Bay Area - Mike  


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From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:47:10 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] CR1A Playback Trouble
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I'll give it a try, thanks. I'm glad someone answered my email I was worried 
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue May 25 11:10:45 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:10:45 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D504@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <00f501c44238$2bb60f10$1010a8c0@tg>

Tom,

The funnier thing, the very low back-sound you hear is, play head just
"so-called reflects" the sound on the other side of the tape (if the other
side is blank you do not hear that!!!). More, I do not hear such thing while
playing back the same on my Revox!! As I mentioned this is the result of
topology/structure of the head block of some Naks.

To the attention of those who noticed so far.

Regards,
Tayfur
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:18 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Backsound while recording


> Yep this ha certainly happened to me on many nak decks. The funny thing
> though is that it does not do it on all tapes, it does it on certain
vintage
> tapes - around 1981-1985, and not on all of them. Strange one this as I
> cannot pin-point the cause. I have a Sank calibrated RX505 and the problem
> occurs, then I take the tape out and put it in my BX300 - same thing! I
> would not worry Tayfur because the sound is so dull it is almost
> unnoticeable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr]
> Sent: Friday, 21 May 2004 10:27
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
>
>
> Anyone ever felt, while recording with some Nakamichi decks (I experienced
> the same with RX505, ZX9) , especially in the beginning of the tape (or
> between tracks when no sound heard) theres a very slight background sound
as
> if reflecting the sound on the other side of the tape.I'm talking about a
> deck of which heads already aligned and everything is OK.This could be
> because of structure of the head block. Not same for CR DR series etc as
> those have different structure.
> Any comments / experience???
> Tayfur
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Tue May 25 11:16:36 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 04:16:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS, TDK SM, and TDK SA-X High Bias Tapes
Message-ID: <40B30EF4.3000300@verizon.net>

Jon,

I've tried the Maxell MS & TDK SM cassettes recently.
The Maxell MS is marketed as an XLII formulation tape in a high quality 
shell. I bought a box of them 2 months ago and found it to be virtually 
identical to the XLII in performance. The shell is heavier and reminds 
me - in more ways than one (!) to the XLII-S tapes I have. The last 
cassette in the box (1 of 10) had the same shell/reel hub problem I've 
encountered in the recent XLII-S cassettes. As for the readily available 
XLII - its not my favorite high bias tape, but, its very, very durable 
and a very neutral sounding tape.
The TDK SM is marketed as the SA formulation thats more durable and 
designed for heavier use. I'm guessing the tape uses a different binder 
than the standard SA to give it better durability. I bought a couple of 
these and was very impressed in the performance and sound quality of the 
tape. It reminded me of the older SA's - low noise and crisp. I have not 
fared well with modern SA's - which is why the SM impressed me so much. 
SA's sound horrible in my ZX-7, though I haven't tried them in my other 
Naks.
I did pleasantly renew my likeness for the TDK SA-X. I had bought a box 
of these 2 years ago, but, had gotten rid of most of them because they 
too sounded horrible in the ZX-7. After finding out that my ZX-7 eq was 
tweaked for Maxell tapes, I tried a couple of the remaining SA-X in my 
682ZX and they sounded amazing ! Very delicate, good detail; as good as 
the XLII-S which has been my "standard" high bias tape as of late. As I 
said, both of these SA-X's are 2 years old, well played, and once 
previously recorded on. I found no evidence of dropouts or anything 
other than fine performance from these SA-X's.

Mark
sharpei at verizon.net


From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Tue May 25 15:45:53 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:45:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] What are the symptoms of orange cap disease in a Dragon?
Message-ID: <40B34E11.9020103@bellsouth.net>

What are the audible and, if any, visible symptoms of
orange cap disease in a Dragon? Do they all have it?
Are later made Dragons less prone or immune?
Mike





From srudick at hotmail.com  Tue May 25 16:54:04 2004
From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:54:04 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
Message-ID: <BAY16-F85WayJTVIlvv00043836@hotmail.com>

The problem has to be caused by improper head height alignment, either on 
the record or playback deck. Think about this. Other than some sort of RF 
interference, which is not likely - THERE CAN BE NO OTHER CAUSE!

Steve Rudick
Audiotech/Montreal
Authorized Nakamichi Service

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Tom,

The funnier thing, the very low back-sound you hear is, play head just
&quot;so-called reflects&quot; the sound on the other side of the tape (if 
the other
side is blank you do not hear that!!!). More, I do not hear such thing while
playing back the same on my Revox!! As I mentioned this is the result of
topology/structure of the head block of some Naks.

To the attention of those who noticed so far.

Regards,
Tayfur
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To: &quot;'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'&quot; 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:18 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Backsound while recording


&gt; Yep this ha certainly happened to me on many nak decks. The funny thing
&gt; though is that it does not do it on all tapes, it does it on certain
vintage
&gt; tapes - around 1981-1985, and not on all of them. Strange one this as I
&gt; cannot pin-point the cause. I have a Sank calibrated RX505 and the 
problem
&gt; occurs, then I take the tape out and put it in my BX300 - same thing! I
&gt; would not worry Tayfur because the sound is so dull it is almost
&gt; unnoticeable.
&gt;
&gt; Regards,
&gt;
&gt; Tom.
&gt;
&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr]
&gt; Sent: Friday, 21 May 2004 10:27
&gt; To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
&gt; Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Anyone ever felt, while recording with some Nakamichi decks (I 
experienced
&gt; the same with RX505, ZX9) , especially in the beginning of the tape (or
&gt; between tracks when no sound heard) theres a very slight background 
sound
as
&gt; if reflecting the sound on the other side of the tape.I'm talking about 
a
&gt; deck of which heads already aligned and everything is OK.This could be
&gt; because of structure of the head block. Not same for CR DR series etc 
as
&gt; those have different structure.
&gt; Any comments / experience???
&gt; Tayfur
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From jochi at qwest.net  Tue May 25 18:14:18 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:14:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
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Tayfur,

It sounds like you are hearing print-through, ie. the recorded tape is
simply magnetizing the adjacent layer of tape.  You could do a test to check
this by using a much thicker tape, eg. a 20 minute or 30 minute tape.  The
theory would be that the thicker tape would help prevent the magnetization
from printing through.

This website has some Q & A that might be useful to you.

http://vsg.cape.com/~pbaum/magtape.htm#bleed-through

Good luck with the problem.
Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Backsound while recording


> Tom,
>
> The funnier thing, the very low back-sound you hear is, play head just
> "so-called reflects" the sound on the other side of the tape (if the other
> side is blank you do not hear that!!!). More, I do not hear such thing
while
> playing back the same on my Revox!! As I mentioned this is the result of
> topology/structure of the head block of some Naks.
>
> To the attention of those who noticed so far.
>
> Regards,
> Tayfur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:18 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
>
>
> > Yep this ha certainly happened to me on many nak decks. The funny thing
> > though is that it does not do it on all tapes, it does it on certain
> vintage
> > tapes - around 1981-1985, and not on all of them. Strange one this as I
> > cannot pin-point the cause. I have a Sank calibrated RX505 and the
problem
> > occurs, then I take the tape out and put it in my BX300 - same thing! I
> > would not worry Tayfur because the sound is so dull it is almost
> > unnoticeable.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr]
> > Sent: Friday, 21 May 2004 10:27
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
> >
> >
> > Anyone ever felt, while recording with some Nakamichi decks (I
experienced
> > the same with RX505, ZX9) , especially in the beginning of the tape (or
> > between tracks when no sound heard) theres a very slight background
sound
> as
> > if reflecting the sound on the other side of the tape.I'm talking about
a
> > deck of which heads already aligned and everything is OK.This could be
> > because of structure of the head block. Not same for CR DR series etc as
> > those have different structure.
> > Any comments / experience???
> > Tayfur
> >
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From timbarrett at cox.net  Tue May 25 18:00:31 2004
From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:00:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
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Tayfur- 

Sounds like print-through to me, which I used to hear on some of my old reel to reel 
tapes but have not heard on a cassette tape.  At least not yet.  Maybe it's time to dig 
some very old ones out and give a careful listen.

Tim

On 25 May 2004 at 12:10, Tayfur Gunay wrote:

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> Tom,
> 
> The funnier thing, the very low back-sound you hear is, play head just
> "so-called reflects" the sound on the other side of the tape (if the
> other side is blank you do not hear that!!!). More, I do not hear such
> thing while playing back the same on my Revox!! As I mentioned this is
> the result of topology/structure of the head block of some Naks.
> 
> To the attention of those who noticed so far.
> 
> Regards,
> Tayfur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:18 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
> 
> 
> > Yep this ha certainly happened to me on many nak decks. The funny
> > thing though is that it does not do it on all tapes, it does it on
> > certain
> vintage
> > tapes - around 1981-1985, and not on all of them. Strange one this
> > as I cannot pin-point the cause. I have a Sank calibrated RX505 and
> > the problem occurs, then I take the tape out and put it in my BX300
> > - same thing! I would not worry Tayfur because the sound is so dull
> > it is almost unnoticeable.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tayfur Gunay [mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr]
> > Sent: Friday, 21 May 2004 10:27
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
> >
> >
> > Anyone ever felt, while recording with some Nakamichi decks (I
> > experienced the same with RX505, ZX9) , especially in the beginning
> > of the tape (or between tracks when no sound heard) theres a very
> > slight background sound
> as
> > if reflecting the sound on the other side of the tape.I'm talking
> > about a deck of which heads already aligned and everything is
> > OK.This could be because of structure of the head block. Not same
> > for CR DR series etc as those have different structure. Any comments
> > / experience??? Tayfur
> >
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue May 25 19:54:56 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:54:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F85WayJTVIlvv00043836@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c44281$6426df20$2f924c51@oemcomputer>

Yup, that's what it was going on with the deck I had doing the same (a first
generation Sony.)  You could just hear the other track playing backwards!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Steve Rudick
> Sent: 25 May 2004 15:54
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
>
>
> The problem has to be caused by improper head height alignment, either on
> the record or playback deck. Think about this. Other than some sort of RF
> interference, which is not likely - THERE CAN BE NO OTHER CAUSE!
>
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Tue May 25 20:32:00 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:32:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
In-Reply-To: <000001c44281$6426df20$2f924c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20040525183200.1394.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com>

If it's playing backwards you aren't hearing print through!  Print
through would be forwards, but, ahead or behind by a couple seconds. 
If it's backwards I can think of two reasons.  1)  The track
alignment is off with the tracks too far inward.  To cure this the
head height needs to be adjusted and then the azimuth since that will
get screwed up in the process.  If this were the case you would only
hear the backsound in one channel, not both.  The other possible
cause 2) would be electronic crosstalk between the forward and
reverse head gaps.  This of course means that the head has four gaps
and the only Nak with that is the Dragon.  There is an analog switch
that switches between the forward set of head gaps and the reverse
set of head gaps before the head amplifier.  If this switch is leaky
you will heard what's coming out of the other set.  It could also be
that dreaded brown glue that has become slightly conductive.  The
tiny wires from the head to the circuit board are sometimes glued
down to the board with that crappy brown glue and when it starts to
become conductive it will mix all the signals together a little bit. 


What deck is having this problem?

Scott J.


--- Gimli <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Yup, that's what it was going on with the deck I had doing the same
> (a first
> generation Sony.)  You could just hear the other track playing
> backwards!
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Steve Rudick
> > Sent: 25 May 2004 15:54
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
> >
> >
> > The problem has to be caused by improper head height alignment,
> either on
> > the record or playback deck. Think about this. Other than some
> sort of RF
> > interference, which is not likely - THERE CAN BE NO OTHER CAUSE!
> >
> > Steve Rudick
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed May 26 01:48:33 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:48:33 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
References: <004c01c441e7$13968960$bf65893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006d01c442b2$caeabd90$3e773242@CopyTech>

Thank you !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Carlos
>
> My tape is in the post to you ... sent on Saturday.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > Sent: 25 May 2004 03:15
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update
> >
> >
> > Yes. You can send it to me. Deadline is May 31.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update
> >
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > Is the project still ongoing???? CanI send my recording done on ZX9??
> > > Whats your full adress??
> > > Best regards,
> > > Tayfur
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:45 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello Guys:
> > > >
> > > > The Marathon Project has taken a very interesting turn with
> > contributions
> > > > from members of this list and other friends that are not
> > members but has
> > > > offered their cooperation. The flash news is that we have a
> > contributor
> > > from
> > > > Cuba who send me a copy of the Bam Bam group. What a sound ! Also
from
> > > > Venezuela we have a contribution from Isy with a very native song.
Mr
> > Ochi
> > > > send a very nice Blues selection too.
> > > >
> > > > This project is sounding even better that the original one, but
> > > > unfortunately, has not awaken the same interest within the members
as
> > the
> > > > first one. Anyway, the deadline is May 31. After that, I'll proceed
to
> > > > duplicate and send the copies to those interested.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed May 26 01:49:08 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:49:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D506@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <007101c442b2$df385780$3e773242@CopyTech>

No problem:

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

Thanks!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Carlos, I hope that my tape will reach you in time. Sorry about not taking
> an interest, this is purely due to the fact that I was not receiving any
> e-mail from naktalk and had no idea. What is your postal address again?
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:15
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
>
> Yes. You can send it to me. Deadline is May 31.
>
> Thanks,
>
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue May 25 23:00:35 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:00:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
In-Reply-To: <20040525183200.1394.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c4429b$532f7640$2f924c51@oemcomputer>

Exactly, Scott - head alignment.  That was the cause of the problem in my
case.   I don't use the deck any more.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Scott Johnson
> Sent: 25 May 2004 19:32
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
>
>
> If it's playing backwards you aren't hearing print through!  Print
> through would be forwards, but, ahead or behind by a couple seconds.
> If it's backwards I can think of two reasons.  1)  The track
> alignment is off with the tracks too far inward.  To cure this the
> head height needs to be adjusted and then the azimuth since that will
> get screwed up in the process.  If this were the case you would only
> hear the backsound in one channel, not both.  The other possible
> cause 2) would be electronic crosstalk between the forward and
> reverse head gaps.  This of course means that the head has four gaps
> and the only Nak with that is the Dragon.  There is an analog switch
> that switches between the forward set of head gaps and the reverse
> set of head gaps before the head amplifier.  If this switch is leaky
> you will heard what's coming out of the other set.  It could also be
> that dreaded brown glue that has become slightly conductive.  The
> tiny wires from the head to the circuit board are sometimes glued
> down to the board with that crappy brown glue and when it starts to
> become conductive it will mix all the signals together a little bit.
>
>
> What deck is having this problem?
>
> Scott J.
>
>
> --- Gimli <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Yup, that's what it was going on with the deck I had doing the same
> > (a first
> > generation Sony.)  You could just hear the other track playing
> > backwards!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Steve Rudick
> > > Sent: 25 May 2004 15:54
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Backsound while recording
> > >
> > >
> > > The problem has to be caused by improper head height alignment,
> > either on
> > > the record or playback deck. Think about this. Other than some
> > sort of RF
> > > interference, which is not likely - THERE CAN BE NO OTHER CAUSE!
> > >
> > > Steve Rudick
> > > Audiotech/Montreal
> > > Authorized Nakamichi Service
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed May 26 02:52:13 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:52:13 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Graham where are you
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D50F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Sorry folks about the off topic..

Gra', I've been trying to e-mail you but I think they are not going through.
Are you receiving e-mails from me? If not what e-mail address should I be
sending to?

	Regards

Tom Siomopoulos
 


From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed May 26 03:19:47 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:19:47 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Update
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D510@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

The cassette is on it's way Carlos, I only hope it gets there in time.

	Regards,

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2004 9:49 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update


No problem:

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

Thanks!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Update


> Carlos, I hope that my tape will reach you in time. Sorry about not taking
> an interest, this is purely due to the fact that I was not receiving any
> e-mail from naktalk and had no idea. What is your postal address again?
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:15
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Update
>
>
> Yes. You can send it to me. Deadline is May 31.
>
> Thanks,
>
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed May 26 02:21:07 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:21:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] tdk ma110
Message-ID: <8462-40B3E2F3-1792@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

i hate to ask this,since there have been so many posts on the
tdk-ma-110,but i just got the last two three packs at a local store for
7.50 each.if i recall,this IS still in production,and ,but how do some
of you think it rates?Are they still fairly easy to find elsewhere?

thank you very much,
gerald



From britri at comcast.net  Wed May 26 17:43:11 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:43:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] tdk ma110
References: <8462-40B3E2F3-1792@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <40B4BB0F.2000201@comcast.net>

I can still buy 'em at Tower records in CA

Brian

Gerald G. wrote:

>i hate to ask this,since there have been so many posts on the
>tdk-ma-110,but i just got the last two three packs at a local store for
>7.50 each.if i recall,this IS still in production,and ,but how do some
>of you think it rates?Are they still fairly easy to find elsewhere?
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From holly at yarbrough.com  Wed May 26 18:27:51 2004
From: holly at yarbrough.com (Holly Yarbrough Burnett)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:27:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Silver Finish A3223-03207
In-Reply-To: <200405261000.i4QA0Ov1011520@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20040526162751.49803.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello!
 
I'm new to this list, and just purchased a Nak BX-125 Silver Finish A3223-03207. It looks great, sounds great, and seems quite clean inside. I need it to transfer some archived cassette recordings to digital. 
 
Before I do, can any of you reccomend any steps I should take to make sure I get the cleanest output possible? I'm definitely not a techie, so I can't do anything too complex, but if there is simple cleaning and demagnetizing I can easily accomplish, I'd love to.
 
Also, do any of you have any idea what this deck might be worth? 
 
Warm regards,
 
Holly Yarbrough
 
holly at yarbrough.com
615.228.9218
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From dariushmo at yahoo.com  Wed May 26 18:59:20 2004
From: dariushmo at yahoo.com (Mohseni Dariush)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] tdk ma110
In-Reply-To: <8462-40B3E2F3-1792@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20040526165920.48464.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com>

These are great tapes. My local store had them on sale
and I bought few. Even though the base is thinner and
may not be as durable as 60's and 90 minutes, the
formulation is the same. They are not in production
anymore. So buy as much as you can!

Cheers!
--- "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net> wrote:
> i hate to ask this,since there have been so many
> posts on the
> tdk-ma-110,but i just got the last two three packs
> at a local store for
> 7.50 each.if i recall,this IS still in
> production,and ,but how do some
> of you think it rates?Are they still fairly easy to
> find elsewhere?
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu May 27 09:03:45 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:03:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] tdk ma110
Message-ID: <s0b5aeff.026@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Gerald,

Buy all the metals that you can get your hands on!!  110 minute tapes have never given me any grief.  The TDK MA has a very nice balance of virtues with a very high affinity for undistorted treble level.  The price is very fair too.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> britri at comcast.net 05/26/04 05:43PM >>>
I can still buy 'em at Tower records in CA

Brian

Gerald G. wrote:

>i hate to ask this,since there have been so many posts on the
>tdk-ma-110,but i just got the last two three packs at a local store for
>7.50 each.if i recall,this IS still in production,and ,but how do some
>of you think it rates?Are they still fairly easy to find elsewhere?
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Thu May 27 00:39:07 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:39:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLIIS-100 available cheap
Message-ID: <40B51C8B.1080308@bellsouth.net>

For those interested in this tape, totalmedia.com is having a
special on these at $12.90 for ten.
Mike





From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu May 27 11:58:37 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:58:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLIIS-100 available cheap
Message-ID: <s0b5d7f7.042@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Excellent prices for a superb tape.  A dollar twenty-nine is a bargain of note for our well-placed American friends.  Mr Bleu's ? Time to tuck in again?

Marc

>>> 3ld at bellsouth.net 05/27/04 12:39AM >>>
For those interested in this tape, totalmedia.com is having a
special on these at $12.90 for ten.
Mike



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From pauro at tin.it  Thu May 27 15:14:44 2004
From: pauro at tin.it (P. Rossi)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:14:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS, TDK SM, and TDK SA-X High Bias Tapes
References: <40B30EF4.3000300@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <004201c443ec$93d88540$abd0fea9@microsoft>

Hi Mark,
I own a 682zx and a zx-7, the first one brought new in 1982. Most of my
tapes have been recorded between 1982 and 1989. My experience is the
following:
I've mainly used maxell  xlii-s first and second generation, tdk sa/ sa-x/
ad and sony ux-s. I have more then 200 cassettes.
I have noticed that almoust all of my sony and some tdk cassettes (mainly
SA) have some droupouts during playback while the maxell ones are in better
condition. I tried re-taping on one of these (SA) but had always dropouts,
while using a new TDK SA just opened this didn't happen. I think that some
tapes or more stable in time while others after many years lose their audio
properties.
Now, I have red about the orange cap desease, so I don't undestand if the
reason of these dropouts can be caused by the caps that must be replaced or
are only caused by these tapes.

About six years ago I had the decks checked by nakamichy dealer in Rome,
Italy, where I live.

Since you own the same decks I would like to know your experience, if you
replaced the caps and if eventually you have the service manual of these
decks. I was thinking to  replace the caps on mine.
Any suggestions are welcomed

Thanks
Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark & Michelle Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: "NakTalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:16 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS, TDK SM, and TDK SA-X High Bias Tapes


> Jon,
>
> I've tried the Maxell MS & TDK SM cassettes recently.
> The Maxell MS is marketed as an XLII formulation tape in a high quality
> shell. I bought a box of them 2 months ago and found it to be virtually
> identical to the XLII in performance. The shell is heavier and reminds
> me - in more ways than one (!) to the XLII-S tapes I have. The last
> cassette in the box (1 of 10) had the same shell/reel hub problem I've
> encountered in the recent XLII-S cassettes. As for the readily available
> XLII - its not my favorite high bias tape, but, its very, very durable
> and a very neutral sounding tape.
> The TDK SM is marketed as the SA formulation thats more durable and
> designed for heavier use. I'm guessing the tape uses a different binder
> than the standard SA to give it better durability. I bought a couple of
> these and was very impressed in the performance and sound quality of the
> tape. It reminded me of the older SA's - low noise and crisp. I have not
> fared well with modern SA's - which is why the SM impressed me so much.
> SA's sound horrible in my ZX-7, though I haven't tried them in my other
> Naks.
> I did pleasantly renew my likeness for the TDK SA-X. I had bought a box
> of these 2 years ago, but, had gotten rid of most of them because they
> too sounded horrible in the ZX-7. After finding out that my ZX-7 eq was
> tweaked for Maxell tapes, I tried a couple of the remaining SA-X in my
> 682ZX and they sounded amazing ! Very delicate, good detail; as good as
> the XLII-S which has been my "standard" high bias tape as of late. As I
> said, both of these SA-X's are 2 years old, well played, and once
> previously recorded on. I found no evidence of dropouts or anything
> other than fine performance from these SA-X's.
>
> Mark
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu May 27 15:15:03 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:15:03 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582Z
References: <40B51C8B.1080308@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c443ec$a0c20830$1010a8c0@tg>

Hello Folks,

Anybody knows about 582Z machines.
It has the popular mechanism of better Naks. How is their recording
performance, how little hidden 400/15khz tons function???(by screw driver or
otherwise???)

Thanks...
Tayfur



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu May 27 20:23:04 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:23:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582Z
In-Reply-To: <001c01c443ec$a0c20830$1010a8c0@tg>
References: <40B51C8B.1080308@bellsouth.net>
	<001c01c443ec$a0c20830$1010a8c0@tg>
Message-ID: <40B63208.50600@rcn.com>


I used to own a 582 (with the analog meters). It was a super
deck. I still have -- and regularly play --  many of the tapes
recorded on that machine.

-- Ron


Tayfur Gunay wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> 
> Anybody knows about 582Z machines.
> It has the popular mechanism of better Naks. How is their recording
> performance, how little hidden 400/15khz tons function???(by screw driver or
> otherwise???)
> 
> Thanks...
> Tayfur
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From ti at amb.org  Thu May 27 22:00:41 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:00:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
Message-ID: <200405272000.UAA05329@amb.org>

I've been using 91% isopropyl alcohol before but I'm running out.

It's been mentioned here that MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) is a
better cleaner.  Any other opinions?

The local Tap Plastics store has one gallon sizes but that's much
more than I need.  Where does one get smaller quantities of MEK?
Or, for that matter, any other suitable cleaning solution in a
reasonable quantity and price?

-Ti
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From bonarigo at hhmi.org  Thu May 27 18:42:24 2004
From: bonarigo at hhmi.org (Bonarigo, Marc)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:42:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 problem
Message-ID: <FD8E3C343183DB4F8B6A512E931F6061021CF7D4@hqexch1.hhmi.org>

I have a BX-1 I bought about 20 years ago when I was in college.  A few years
ago (just as I bought a CD burner to transfer my old tapes to CD), a problem
cropped up.   When I put a cassette in and press PLAY, the little light on
the rocker panel goes back to STOP after a second or two and then after
another second or two goes back to PLAY and PAUSE and then back to STOP and
so on.  When it gets into this endless loop, I am unable to eject the tape.
If I cut off the power, the light returns to STOP, but I am still unable to
eject the tape.

I recently put a new idler wheel on, but that didn't solve the problem.  Does
anyone have a clue as what might be causing this problem and/or what the fix
might be?

Thanks
--marc



From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Thu May 27 21:28:16 2004
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:28:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582Z
Message-ID: <F7EDFCE625F7CC4AB3C0374E38807A5001346A3B@emss09m08.us.lmco.com>

I had a 581 and now have a 582 and CR-7A.  The 581 & 582 are very nice
machines.  I felt no need to upgrade until I got a CR-7A really cheap.
The CR-7A is the best I've heard, I have not heard a Dragon.  The 7A is
more open on the top end.  I don't want to make you think the 582 is
bad, it was better than any tape deck I heard until I got the CR-7A.
The 582 will make you more than happy.

Kurtis

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:23 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582Z



I used to own a 582 (with the analog meters). It was a super deck. I
still have -- and regularly play --  many of the tapes recorded on that
machine.

-- Ron


Tayfur Gunay wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> 
> Anybody knows about 582Z machines.
> It has the popular mechanism of better Naks. How is their recording 
> performance, how little hidden 400/15khz tons function???(by screw 
> driver or
> otherwise???)
> 
> Thanks...
> Tayfur
> 
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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Thu May 27 22:11:43 2004
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:11:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
Message-ID: <F7EDFCE625F7CC4AB3C0374E38807A5001346A3E@emss09m08.us.lmco.com>

There is just about only one product I recommend from Radio Shack and it
is their Professional Head Cleaning Solution.  Comes in a little glass
bottle.  Very good cleaner and dries with virtually no residue, much
better than isoproply alcohol.

Kurt

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Ti Kan
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:01 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent


I've been using 91% isopropyl alcohol before but I'm running out.

It's been mentioned here that MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) is a better
cleaner.  Any other opinions?

The local Tap Plastics store has one gallon sizes but that's much more
than I need.  Where does one get smaller quantities of MEK? Or, for that
matter, any other suitable cleaning solution in a reasonable quantity
and price?

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From ti at amb.org  Thu May 27 22:47:13 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:47:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
In-Reply-To: <F7EDFCE625F7CC4AB3C0374E38807A5001346A3E@emss09m08.us.lmco.com>
	from "Bahr, Kurtis" at May 27, 2004 04:11:43 PM
Message-ID: <200405272047.UAA05549@amb.org>

Bahr, Kurtis writes:
> There is just about only one product I recommend from Radio Shack and it
> is their Professional Head Cleaning Solution.  Comes in a little glass
> bottle.  Very good cleaner and dries with virtually no residue, much
> better than isoproply alcohol.

Does Radio Shack still sell this?  I tried searching http://www.radioshack.com
with keywords "cleaning solution" or "tape head cleaner" and the only matches
are those kits that comes with a cleaning cassette, and then there is a
"contact cleaner pen" which is probably not appropriate.

-Ti
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri May 28 00:01:04 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:01:04 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 problem
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D51B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Marc, I think it is the mode switch inside the unit that is attached to the
mechanism. It is a sensor that has three copper contacts and that sends the
binary code back to the micrprocessor to tell it what mode the mechanism is
in. Try carefully cleaning the contact with alcohol, this may solve the
problem. The other cause may be the motor that the sensor is attached, it
may not be moving properly.

	Hope this helps.

	Tom. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bonarigo, Marc [mailto:bonarigo at hhmi.org]
Sent: Friday, 28 May 2004 2:42 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 problem


I have a BX-1 I bought about 20 years ago when I was in college.  A few
years
ago (just as I bought a CD burner to transfer my old tapes to CD), a problem
cropped up.   When I put a cassette in and press PLAY, the little light on
the rocker panel goes back to STOP after a second or two and then after
another second or two goes back to PLAY and PAUSE and then back to STOP and
so on.  When it gets into this endless loop, I am unable to eject the tape.
If I cut off the power, the light returns to STOP, but I am still unable to
eject the tape.

I recently put a new idler wheel on, but that didn't solve the problem.
Does
anyone have a clue as what might be causing this problem and/or what the fix
might be?

Thanks
--marc

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri May 28 00:04:19 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:04:19 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS, TDK SM, and TDK SA-X High Bias Tapes
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D51C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Paul I have had the same experience with the TDK SA tapes, I strongly
believe that your deck is in fine condition and it is the tape that is
causing the dropouts. I have over 700 tapes and I too have a vast range of
Maxell and TDK and the Maxell seem to be better for the long life factor.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: P. Rossi [mailto:pauro at tin.it]
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell MS, TDK SM, and TDK SA-X High Bias Tapes


Hi Mark,
I own a 682zx and a zx-7, the first one brought new in 1982. Most of my
tapes have been recorded between 1982 and 1989. My experience is the
following:
I've mainly used maxell  xlii-s first and second generation, tdk sa/ sa-x/
ad and sony ux-s. I have more then 200 cassettes.
I have noticed that almoust all of my sony and some tdk cassettes (mainly
SA) have some droupouts during playback while the maxell ones are in better
condition. I tried re-taping on one of these (SA) but had always dropouts,
while using a new TDK SA just opened this didn't happen. I think that some
tapes or more stable in time while others after many years lose their audio
properties.
Now, I have red about the orange cap desease, so I don't undestand if the
reason of these dropouts can be caused by the caps that must be replaced or
are only caused by these tapes.

About six years ago I had the decks checked by nakamichy dealer in Rome,
Italy, where I live.

Since you own the same decks I would like to know your experience, if you
replaced the caps and if eventually you have the service manual of these
decks. I was thinking to  replace the caps on mine.
Any suggestions are welcomed

Thanks
Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark & Michelle Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: "NakTalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:16 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS, TDK SM, and TDK SA-X High Bias Tapes


> Jon,
>
> I've tried the Maxell MS & TDK SM cassettes recently.
> The Maxell MS is marketed as an XLII formulation tape in a high quality
> shell. I bought a box of them 2 months ago and found it to be virtually
> identical to the XLII in performance. The shell is heavier and reminds
> me - in more ways than one (!) to the XLII-S tapes I have. The last
> cassette in the box (1 of 10) had the same shell/reel hub problem I've
> encountered in the recent XLII-S cassettes. As for the readily available
> XLII - its not my favorite high bias tape, but, its very, very durable
> and a very neutral sounding tape.
> The TDK SM is marketed as the SA formulation thats more durable and
> designed for heavier use. I'm guessing the tape uses a different binder
> than the standard SA to give it better durability. I bought a couple of
> these and was very impressed in the performance and sound quality of the
> tape. It reminded me of the older SA's - low noise and crisp. I have not
> fared well with modern SA's - which is why the SM impressed me so much.
> SA's sound horrible in my ZX-7, though I haven't tried them in my other
> Naks.
> I did pleasantly renew my likeness for the TDK SA-X. I had bought a box
> of these 2 years ago, but, had gotten rid of most of them because they
> too sounded horrible in the ZX-7. After finding out that my ZX-7 eq was
> tweaked for Maxell tapes, I tried a couple of the remaining SA-X in my
> 682ZX and they sounded amazing ! Very delicate, good detail; as good as
> the XLII-S which has been my "standard" high bias tape as of late. As I
> said, both of these SA-X's are 2 years old, well played, and once
> previously recorded on. I found no evidence of dropouts or anything
> other than fine performance from these SA-X's.
>
> Mark
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From ti at amb.org  Fri May 28 00:20:52 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:20:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
In-Reply-To: <F7EDFCE625F7CC4AB3C0374E38807A5001346A3E@emss09m08.us.lmco.com>
	from "Bahr, Kurtis" at May 27, 2004 04:11:43 PM
Message-ID: <200405272220.WAA05922@amb.org>

Bahr, Kurtis writes:
> There is just about only one product I recommend from Radio Shack and it
> is their Professional Head Cleaning Solution.  Comes in a little glass
> bottle.  Very good cleaner and dries with virtually no residue, much
> better than isoproply alcohol.

Ah!  Found it:
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=44-1113

Does anyone know what the ingredient in this is?

-Ti
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri May 28 00:53:07 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:53:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 problem
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D51B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D51B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <40B67153.9000300@rcn.com>


More likely, the 'other cause': possibly, the control
motor has developed a dead spot. Try to press Stop,
while manually helping it along. If it moves (just a
little bit) and you can then eject the cassette, that
would be the case. Remedy: rebuilding the motor. Most
of them can be brought back to life.

-- Ron


Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:
> Marc, I think it is the mode switch inside the unit that is attached to the
> mechanism. It is a sensor that has three copper contacts and that sends the
> binary code back to the micrprocessor to tell it what mode the mechanism is
> in. Try carefully cleaning the contact with alcohol, this may solve the
> problem. The other cause may be the motor that the sensor is attached, it
> may not be moving properly.
> 
> 	Hope this helps.
> 
> 	Tom. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bonarigo, Marc [mailto:bonarigo at hhmi.org]
> Sent: Friday, 28 May 2004 2:42 
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 problem
> 
> 
> I have a BX-1 I bought about 20 years ago when I was in college.  A few
> years
> ago (just as I bought a CD burner to transfer my old tapes to CD), a problem
> cropped up.   When I put a cassette in and press PLAY, the little light on
> the rocker panel goes back to STOP after a second or two and then after
> another second or two goes back to PLAY and PAUSE and then back to STOP and
> so on.  When it gets into this endless loop, I am unable to eject the tape.
> If I cut off the power, the light returns to STOP, but I am still unable to
> eject the tape.
> 
> I recently put a new idler wheel on, but that didn't solve the problem.
> Does
> anyone have a clue as what might be causing this problem and/or what the fix
> might be?
> 
> Thanks
> --marc




From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri May 28 00:57:35 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:57:35 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
In-Reply-To: <200405272000.UAA05329@amb.org>
References: <200405272000.UAA05329@amb.org>
Message-ID: <40B6725F.1070007@rcn.com>

Ti Kan wrote:

> I've been using 91% isopropyl alcohol before but I'm running out.
> 
> It's been mentioned here that MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) is a
> better cleaner.  Any other opinions?
> 
> The local Tap Plastics store has one gallon sizes but that's much
> more than I need.  Where does one get smaller quantities of MEK?
> Or, for that matter, any other suitable cleaning solution in a
> reasonable quantity and price?
> 
> -Ti

Home Depot sells quart cans of MEK for about $5. Be careful
with the stuff -- it's strong medicine. It will remove paint
and damage plastic, which explains why it's such a good
cleaner.

-- Ron





From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Fri May 28 01:38:47 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:38:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
In-Reply-To: <200405272000.UAA05329@amb.org>
References: <200405272000.UAA05329@amb.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040527192341.02983c40@pop.iquebec.com>

At 16:00 2004/05/27, you wrote:
>I've been using 91% isopropyl alcohol before but I'm running out.
>
>It's been mentioned here that MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) is a
>better cleaner.  Any other opinions?
>
>The local Tap Plastics store has one gallon sizes but that's much
>more than I need.  Where does one get smaller quantities of MEK?
>Or, for that matter, any other suitable cleaning solution in a
>reasonable quantity and price?
>
>-Ti
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>    2 4 6

I have used methyl hydrate with success for years. You can buy it by the 
gallon for a few bucks but a half-liter bottle costs about a dollar at the 
hardware store (e.g. Canadian Tire up here). It's naturally clear but some 
imaginative business people add blue or pink coloring to it and sell it as 
fondue fuel for two or three times the price. It is also sold clear in very 
small bottles as gas line anti-freeze for winter use in your car. The one 
thing that you have to be careful when using it for head cleaning is that 
it dissolves the paint that is used to write part numbers on the side of 
some tape heads. I use it for pinch rollers too. I am sure some people 
would disagree saying that it is too strong for that but it sure keeps 
pinch rollers clean and it evaporates quickly.




From kjbleus at charter.net  Fri May 28 07:45:48 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:45:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Cassettes, etc.....
Message-ID: <003d01c44477$079181f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Burning the midnight oil here.....

You know, those Maxell XLIIS cassettes are adorable.  I've got six ten-packs stored away, mostly the Japanese editions from early 1990's.  Now I'm seeking classic (early 1990's) MX-S cassettes for my stash.  Honestly, you guys should get serious and grab up the XLIIS cassettes while you can, those prices are quite looking good.  Here's another source that might be appealing to your Nakkers......

http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/ta

Check out the bottom of the page for XLIIS 60/90/100 pricing.

Just for something to discuss, I rated the earlier generation XLIIS cassette as my all time favorite, based on many years of durable and pleasing results.  I've been using Maxell cassettes for more than twenty-five years now (since 1976, in fact before XLIIS was introduced).  These classic Maxell products are the most durable around, in my opinion......

http://www.dysoplex.com/btg/top5s.html

Have a great weekend, my friends!!!

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:58:37 +0200
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XLIIS-100 available cheap
To: <3ld at bellsouth.net>, <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <s0b5d7f7.042 at mroute.sunint.co.za>
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Excellent prices for a superb tape.  A dollar twenty-nine is a bargain of note for our well-placed American friends.  Mr Bleus ? Time to tuck in again?

Marc

>>> 3ld at bellsouth.net 05/27/04 12:39AM >>>
For those interested in this tape, totalmedia.com is having a
special on these at $12.90 for ten.
Mike
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From masonmjs at runbox.com  Thu May 27 22:42:26 2004
From: masonmjs at runbox.com (Mike Mason)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:42:26 +0100 (GMT/BST)
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
In-Reply-To: <200405272000.UAA05329@amb.org>
References: <200405272000.UAA05329@amb.org>
Message-ID: <E1BTRhq-000600-Ia@odie.runbox.com>

Hi Ti,

MEK is a particularly nasty solvent which I know about from my R.A.F. days.  I don't recall what it was used for specifically, but I would'nt have it anywhere near my NAK, I actually think it can disolve plastic too.

My advice, DONT USE IT.

Regards
Mike


> I've been using 91% isopropyl alcohol before but I'm running out.
> 
> It's been mentioned here that MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) is a
> better cleaner.  Any other opinions?
> 
> The local Tap Plastics store has one gallon sizes but that's much
> more than I need.  Where does one get smaller quantities of MEK?
> Or, for that matter, any other suitable cleaning solution in a
> reasonable quantity and price?
> 
> -Ti
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From jochi at qwest.net  Fri May 28 02:07:10 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:07:10 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
References: <200405272000.UAA05329@amb.org>
Message-ID: <000f01c44447$b9ace8a0$0500000a@uswest.net>

Here is a recommendation I got from Audiogon.  The product is made by MG
Chemicals.  It is called Audio Video Head Cleaner.
I bought mine from Mar Vac Electronics in Costa Mesa CA, 949-650-2001.  In
March of 2003, an 8.8 oz. bottle cost $6.  Also recommended was a product
for the pinch rollers called "Rubber Renue."  An 8 oz bottle cost $9.30.  I
also bought their cotton swabs for $3.10 per 100 count.  The products have
worked well for me, but I do not know how they compare with MEK.

The bottle contains the warning:  "Caution, Contents may catch fire.  Do not
smoke.  Contains Isopropanol Cas# 67-63-0, Hexane Isomers Cas# 8030-30-6,
1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane  cas# 811-972.  The website also contains links to
MSDS sheets.  The stuff claims to leave zero residue.

http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/407c.html

It seems to work fine, but I have not used it long enough to say if there
are any long-term drawbacks. . . so far, none.  Perhaps some of the chemists
could tell us what this stuff is.  I think isopropanol is another name for
isopropyl alcohol.  I think the tetrafluoroethane is some kind of
fluorocarbon like in refrigerators and air conditioners.  None of these
chemicals are good for you I am sure.

But the MEK is not too good for you either.  I think they use it in paint
and glue removing solutions.

One 8 oz little bottle is probably a multi-lifetime supply!

Good luck.

Jon Ochi



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:00 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent


> I've been using 91% isopropyl alcohol before but I'm running out.
>
> It's been mentioned here that MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) is a
> better cleaner.  Any other opinions?
>
> The local Tap Plastics store has one gallon sizes but that's much
> more than I need.  Where does one get smaller quantities of MEK?
> Or, for that matter, any other suitable cleaning solution in a
> reasonable quantity and price?
>
> -Ti
> -- 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri May 28 01:52:28 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:52:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
References: <F7EDFCE625F7CC4AB3C0374E38807A5001346A3E@emss09m08.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <002001c44445$abed14d0$17b50642@johnnyrotten>

Kurt,

I agree, great stuff! Keep the cap tight.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bahr, Kurtis" <kurtis.bahr at lmco.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent


> There is just about only one product I recommend from Radio Shack and it
> is their Professional Head Cleaning Solution.  Comes in a little glass
> bottle.  Very good cleaner and dries with virtually no residue, much
> better than isoproply alcohol.
>
> Kurt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
> Behalf Of Ti Kan
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:01 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
>
>
> I've been using 91% isopropyl alcohol before but I'm running out.
>
> It's been mentioned here that MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) is a better
> cleaner.  Any other opinions?
>
> The local Tap Plastics store has one gallon sizes but that's much more
> than I need.  Where does one get smaller quantities of MEK? Or, for that
> matter, any other suitable cleaning solution in a reasonable quantity
> and price?
>
> -Ti
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri May 28 01:58:38 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:58:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
References: <200405272220.WAA05922@amb.org>
Message-ID: <004101c44446$8819acc0$17b50642@johnnyrotten>

At the price, exclusive Russia vodka! Hey, it don't taste bad, sorta like 
Smirnoff!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent


> Bahr, Kurtis writes:
>> There is just about only one product I recommend from Radio Shack and it
>> is their Professional Head Cleaning Solution.  Comes in a little glass
>> bottle.  Very good cleaner and dries with virtually no residue, much
>> better than isoproply alcohol.
>
> Ah!  Found it:
> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=44-1113
>
> Does anyone know what the ingredient in this is?
>
> -Ti
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri May 28 10:24:55 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:24:55 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582Z
References: <F7EDFCE625F7CC4AB3C0374E38807A5001346A3B@emss09m08.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c4448d$4201aca0$1010a8c0@tg>

Thanks anyone replied / shared his opinions.

I agree these machines make very nice lively recording. My reference with
recording quality, it shud be "omni-matching"
either with other brands or in your car stereo. Being just good in itself
(which I felt for CR7) is not my preference.

My other reference player is Revox, and 582Z highly passed the tests.

Tayfur
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bahr, Kurtis" <kurtis.bahr at lmco.com>
To: <ra.ah at rcn.com>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582Z


> I had a 581 and now have a 582 and CR-7A.  The 581 & 582 are very nice
> machines.  I felt no need to upgrade until I got a CR-7A really cheap.
> The CR-7A is the best I've heard, I have not heard a Dragon.  The 7A is
> more open on the top end.  I don't want to make you think the 582 is
> bad, it was better than any tape deck I heard until I got the CR-7A.
> The 582 will make you more than happy.
>
> Kurtis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:23 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582Z
>
>
>
> I used to own a 582 (with the analog meters). It was a super deck. I
> still have -- and regularly play --  many of the tapes recorded on that
> machine.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> Tayfur Gunay wrote:
> > Hello Folks,
> >
> > Anybody knows about 582Z machines.
> > It has the popular mechanism of better Naks. How is their recording
> > performance, how little hidden 400/15khz tons function???(by screw
> > driver or
> > otherwise???)
> >
> > Thanks...
> > Tayfur
> >
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From jmcalli at yahoo.com  Fri May 28 11:00:45 2004
From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 02:00:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
In-Reply-To: <000f01c44447$b9ace8a0$0500000a@uswest.net>
Message-ID: <20040528090045.39115.qmail@web41315.mail.yahoo.com>

Isopropyl alcohol (propanol) is the main ingredient in
"rubbing alcohol."  The exact percentage varies.  Very
cheap and readily available.  Here's a link that list
99% isopropyl alcohol, as well as lesser
concentrations.

http://www.first-aid-product.com/industrial/isopropyl-alcohol.htm

James

--- Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net> wrote:
> I think
> isopropanol is another name for
> isopropyl alcohol.  I think the tetrafluoroethane is
> some kind of
> fluorocarbon like in refrigerators and air
> conditioners.  None of these
> chemicals are good for you I am sure.
> 
> But the MEK is not too good for you either.  I think
> they use it in paint
> and glue removing solutions.
> 
> One 8 oz little bottle is probably a multi-lifetime
> supply!
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Jon Ochi
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:00 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
> 
> 
> > I've been using 91% isopropyl alcohol before but
> I'm running out.
> >
> > It's been mentioned here that MEK (methyl ethyl
> ketone) is a
> > better cleaner.  Any other opinions?
> >
> > The local Tap Plastics store has one gallon sizes
> but that's much
> > more than I need.  Where does one get smaller
> quantities of MEK?
> > Or, for that matter, any other suitable cleaning
> solution in a
> > reasonable quantity and price?
> >
> > -Ti
> > -- 
> >  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Fri May 28 13:41:40 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 06:41:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Head cleaner solvent (91% Solution)
Message-ID: <010201c444a8$be791fa0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Its gotta be 91% solution isopropyl alcohol.  I've been getting the industrial strength pint bottles from partsexpress.com, very reasonable pricing.  Actually partsexpress has all of the goodies required for astute cassette deck cleaning.

Regarding 91% isoprop, here's what is listed on the back label of the TechSpry brand bottle:

Non-ozone depleting
safe on plastics
rapid evaporating
zero residue
non-corrosive

My advice, use 91% (or higher) isoprop for your cleaning chores.  Also, check back into the NakTalk message archives for previous threads on the head cleaning subject.

Regards,

K.J. Bleus
Madison, Wisc USA



Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:57:35 -0400
From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <40B6725F.1070007 at rcn.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Ti Kan wrote:

> I've been using 91% isopropyl alcohol before but I'm running out.
> 
> It's been mentioned here that MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) is a
> better cleaner.  Any other opinions?
> 
> The local Tap Plastics store has one gallon sizes but that's much
> more than I need.  Where does one get smaller quantities of MEK?
> Or, for that matter, any other suitable cleaning solution in a
> reasonable quantity and price?
> 
> -Ti

Home Depot sells quart cans of MEK for about $5. Be careful
with the stuff -- it's strong medicine. It will remove paint
and damage plastic, which explains why it's such a good
cleaner.

-- Ron



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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Fri May 28 13:59:56 2004
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:59:56 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
Message-ID: <BAY9-F12U6HtXto6rvs0007fecb@hotmail.com>

Smirnoff ain't Russian vodka, but it's still OK.


----Original Message Follows----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:58:38 -0400

At the price, exclusive Russia vodka! Hey, it don't taste bad, sorta like 
Smirnoff!


----- Original Message ----- From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent


>Bahr, Kurtis writes:
>>There is just about only one product I recommend from Radio Shack and it
>>is their Professional Head Cleaning Solution.  Comes in a little glass
>>bottle.  Very good cleaner and dries with virtually no residue, much
>>better than isoproply alcohol.
>
>Ah!  Found it:
>http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=44-1113
>
>Does anyone know what the ingredient in this is?
>
>-Ti
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri May 28 13:22:52 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:22:52 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 problem
Message-ID: <12b.429fcd47.2de87b0c@aol.com>

I'm having a similar problem with my CR1a and have been told to try the same 
fix. Unfortunately I've been unable to try this procedure yet, but would love 
to hear if it's worked for you.

Regards,
Anthony

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From BADANTH at aol.com  Fri May 28 13:23:56 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:23:56 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
Message-ID: <138.2f9ff717.2de87b4c@aol.com>

I've used this product too with good results.



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From christopher.winter at siemens.com  Fri May 28 13:29:52 2004
From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter Christopher)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:29:52 +0200
Subject: AW: [naktalk] BX-1 problem
Message-ID: <01D01E6BE11A9446860268017C32F1F4059F989F@bbuv0exa.ffmk.ww011.siemens.net>

Hello Marc,

I had the same trouble with my BX-100 (with gear drive) and found that the
problem was (at first glance) caused by a defective transistor on the mainboard
(in the polarity-reversing circuit).
After replacing this transistor, the unit worked for some days and then showed
a similar problem. I then disassembled the complete drive-mechanism.

I've found that the grease on the cam-unit has hardened, so I applied new grease
(I used pure silicon grease) after removing the old residues.
Then I connected to cam-motor to a power-supply and found that the torque was
far too low to drive the cam-unit reliably.
Furthermore the torque differed very much with the direction rotation (CW, CCW).
So I kept the motor running in each direction for about a day per direction and
repeated this about 2 times. This was done with the motor alone - it isn't a good idea
to "burn in" the cam-mechanismn this way...
I then checked the torque which was far better then before.
I reassembled the unit, and since then (about 6 months ago today) there have been
no problems with the deck.
It seems to me that the magnetization of the motor's field magnets weakens over
years of non-operation.

Hope this helps!

Christopher


BTW.: The cassette door is locked by a small lever that prevents opening when the
tape is running. Don't try to open the door with a tool or manual force - it's better
(as Ron pointed out) to help the motor getting back into the end-position by turning
the gear with your fingers.

-----Message-----
[naktalk] BX-1 problem

I have a BX-1 I bought about 20 years ago when I was in college.  A few years
ago (just as I bought a CD burner to transfer my old tapes to CD), a problem
cropped up.   When I put a cassette in and press PLAY, the little light on
the rocker panel goes back to STOP after a second or two and then after
another second or two goes back to PLAY and PAUSE and then back to STOP and
so on.  When it gets into this endless loop, I am unable to eject the tape.
If I cut off the power, the light returns to STOP, but I am still unable to
eject the tape.

I recently put a new idler wheel on, but that didn't solve the problem.  Does
anyone have a clue as what might be causing this problem and/or what the fix
might be?

Thanks
--marc



From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com  Fri May 28 16:28:51 2004
From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:28:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Backsound while recording
Message-ID: <OF736B4D7F.36E02E90-ON86256EA2.004F832F-86256EA2.004F8BE8@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com>

I have very recently noticed a problem with recordings I was making on my 
BX-300 and one particular tape type. This deck was aligned by Stephen Sank 
about 6 months ago, so alignment shouldn't be the problem. What I was 
hearing was remnants of stuff I recorded on the same tape at an earlier 
time. It only happens at the beginning of the tape and it fades in and out 
of the left channel quickly and randomly. It is "forwards" audio, not 
"backwards". The problem goes away after about a minute or two. A quick 
look at the tape shows lots of wrinkles at the beginning of the tape. 
After the two minute point, the tape looks smooth and wrinkle free. I must 
point out, this is a well used tape that I use to record a certain radio 
show on, once per week. If I had to guess how many times it had been used, 
I would say 15-25. This is one of the Maxell XLII 110 minute cassettes, 
which probably has a lot to do with the problem.  I have already thrown 
out another of these well used tapes after I noticed garbled audio at the 
beginning of the recording and subsequently discovered the wrinkling. So, 
in my case the question is, what causes this wrinkling?

I had a problem with a Pioneer deck years ago when it's erase head was 
worn out. In that case a replacement head took care of the problem. With 
that deck, the previous material was present, at a low level, throughout 
the new recording. 

Gary


>>From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
Subject: [naktalk] Backsound while recording

Anyone ever felt, while recording with some Nakamichi decks (I experienced
the same with RX505, ZX9) , especially in the beginning of the tape (or
between tracks when no sound heard) theres a very slight background sound 
as
if reflecting the sound on the other side of the tape.I'm talking about a
deck of which heads already aligned and everything is OK.This could be
because of structure of the head block. Not same for CR DR series etc as
those have different structure.
Any comments / experience???
Tayfur<<
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From slms100 at compuserve.com  Fri May 28 18:24:58 2004
From: slms100 at compuserve.com (Sven L.M. Schroeder)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:24:58 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
Message-ID: <IGEKLPADNGNNAFFHLJJKKELOFCAA.slms100@compuserve.com>

> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:07:10 -0700
> From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
>
> Here is a recommendation I got from Audiogon.  The product is made by MG
> Chemicals.  It is called Audio Video Head Cleaner.
> I bought mine from Mar Vac Electronics in Costa Mesa CA, 949-650-2001.  In
> March of 2003, an 8.8 oz. bottle cost $6.  Also recommended was a product
> for the pinch rollers called "Rubber Renue."  An 8 oz bottle cost $9.30.
I
> also bought their cotton swabs for $3.10 per 100 count.  The products have
> worked well for me, but I do not know how they compare with MEK.
>
> The bottle contains the warning:  "Caution, Contents may catch fire.  Do
not
> smoke.  Contains Isopropanol Cas# 67-63-0, Hexane Isomers Cas# 8030-30-6,
> 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane  cas# 811-972.  The website also contains links
to
> MSDS sheets.  The stuff claims to leave zero residue.
>
> http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/407c.html
>
> It seems to work fine, but I have not used it long enough to say if there
> are any long-term drawbacks. . . so far, none.  Perhaps some of the
chemists
> could tell us what this stuff is.

OK - that's me then, I guess!

> I think isopropanol is another name for isopropyl alcohol.

Yep, that's correct. Isopropanol = propane-2-ol = CH3-CH(OH)-CH3 = isopropyl
alcohol = 'IPA'
Highly flammable.

> I think the tetrafluoroethane is some kind of fluorocarbon like in
refrigerators and air conditioners.

Yup, also correct. It's CF3-CFH2 = HFC134a, which is a hydrofluorocarbon
(HFC, sometimes also called hydrofluoroalkane, HFA). These are the
replacements for previously used chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs, also known as
Freons and under other tradenames), which have been banned (Montreal
protocol, etc) because they release chlorine (Cl) atoms/radicals when
irradiated with ultraviolet light in the stratosphere [the Cl atoms/radicals
then take part in the destruction of stratospheric ozone, creating the
'ozone hole'...].

Note that the tetrafluoroethane is a gas - and it is used here only as a
propellant in the aerosol formulation of the head cleaning agent - it's not
part of the liquid formulation. It's not flammable.

HFCs don't destruct ozone, but they still have significant global warming
potential - which is why they are ultimately going to be phased out as well!
So it's a good idea to minimise use of the aerosol. Or go for the liquid
formulation!

The hexanes (the dimethylbutanes, the methylpentanes, and the n-hexane) are
alkanes with a chain length of 6 carbon atoms - part of the more volatile
component of gasoline. Highly flammable.

Here's what the National Safety Council (www.nsc.org) says about n-hexane:

"N-hexane (CAS #110-54-3) is a chemical made from crude oil. It is used in
laboratories, primarily when it is mixed with similar chemicals to produce
solvents. Common names for these solvents are commercial hexane, mixed
hexanes, petroleum ether, and petroleum naphtha. The major use for solvents
containing n-hexane is to extract vegetable oils from crops such as
soybeans, flax, peanuts, and safflower seed. They are also used as cleaning
agents in the textile, furniture, shoemaking, and printing industries,
particularly rotogravure printing. N-hexane is also an ingredient of special
glues that are used in the roofing, shoe, and leather industries. N-hexane
is used in binding books, working leather, shaping pills and tablets,
canning, manufacturing tires, and making baseballs. Consumer products that
contain small amounts of n-hexane include gasoline, rubber cement, typeover
correction fluids, nonmercury thermometers, alcohol preparations, and
aerosols in perfumes. N-hexane is also a component of preparations such as
paint thinners, general purpose solvents, degreasing agents, or cleaners.

n-hexane is a colorless liquid with a slightly disagreeable odor. It
evaporates very easily into the air and dissolves only slightly in water. It
is highly flammable, and its vapors can be explosive. It may be ignited by
heat, sparks, and flames. Flammable vapor may spread away from a spill.
N-hexane can react vigorously with oxidizing materials such as liquid
chlorine, concentrated oxygen, and sodium hypochlorite. It will attack some
forms of plastics, rubber, and coatings. It is insoluble in water and
miscible with alcohol, chloroform, and ether. It is incompatible with strong
oxidizers. Synonyms for n-hexane are hexane and hexyl hydride.

Health effects:

The only people known to have suffered the health effects of n-hexane were
exposed to it at work. Exposure to n-hexane can cause toxicity in peripheral
nerves, muscle wasting, and atrophy. It can cause numbness to the feet and
hands and muscle weakness in the feet and lower legs, which can lead to
paralysis of the arms and legs. It can also cause dermatitis, nausea,
confusion, jaundice, and coma."

> None of these chemicals are good for you I am sure.

*** I definitely would not ingest/inhale/apply to skin any of them in
significant quantities! ***

But I also would not panic - the small quantities typically applied in a
tape head clean with a cotton swab (ie, less than 0.1 millilitres) are not
going to do much damage to the average person's system if they are
accidentally touched or if their fumes are inhaled. Unless of course your
system happens to be particularly sensitive to one or more of the compounds
involved...

Except for the tetrafluoroethane they are all very flammable - so don't
clean you Nak at your fireplace, next to a burning candle or while you have
a cigarette in your mouth!

> But the MEK is not too good for you either.  I think they use it in paint
and glue removing solutions.

Here's what the National Safety Council (www.nsc.org) has to say:

"Methyl ethyl ketone (CAS #78-93-3) is a colorless liquid with an
acetone-like odor. It is used as a solvent for coatings, adhesives, magnetic
tapes, printing inks, and pesticide formulations; as an extraction solvent
for hardwood pulping and vegetable oil; as a fragrance and flavoring agent
in candy and perfumes; as a catalyst in the production of hydrazine; and as
a sterilizer for bacterial spores on surgical instruments, hypodermic
needles and syringes, and dental instruments. It is used in surface coating,
fabric coating, lacquering, and varnishing. It is used in the manufacture of
colorless synthetic resins, smokeless powder, artificial leather,
lubricating oils, paint removers, cements, adhesives, and cleaning fluids."

It's a favourite of 'sniffers' as far as I know. I have been told of people
who developed an addiction to sniffing it through occupational exposure (in
a coating plant)! So looking at the potential impact on your and other
household member's health I would avoid it; unless there is a good reason
why it's strongly preferred for cleaning the heads of our beloved Naks!

> One 8 oz little bottle is probably a multi-lifetime supply!

I would certainly think so. I have a similarly small bottle of turntable
pickup cleaning fluid with me since 1984, and I think it will outlast my
Thorens...

Happy cleaning!

Sven

> Good luck.
>
> Jon Ochi

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From mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com  Sat May 29 07:54:00 2004
From: mikhail_zaydman at yahoo.com (Mikhail Zaydman)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Head cleaner solvent
Message-ID: <20040529055400.87488.qmail@web80710.mail.yahoo.com>

Buy S-721H  head guide and roller cleaner/rejuvinator  from American Recorders:
 
http://store.yahoo.com/usrecordingmedia-store/profs7headgu.html
 
Mikhail
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From lklein4 at ameritech.net  Sat May 29 15:30:05 2004
From: lklein4 at ameritech.net (John Klein)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 09:30:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] adjusting the tape drive block - Cassette Deck 1
Message-ID: <000801c44581$0e8fcf60$6601a8c0@hp>

how is this done? when i follow the directions to clean the unit the drive works when the > is pushed. if a tape is placed in the unit it will fast forward and reverse but the drive block will not engage when the > is pushed ... it simply returns to its resting position.
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun May 30 12:20:27 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 12:20:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS, TDK SM, and TDK SA-X High Bias Tapes
Message-ID: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Paul,

I have very few tapes with drop-out issues, but like Tom have had some experiences of this happening on one specific TDK SA C-90.  It's a modern one, made in, perhaps, 1997.  I can not explain it - it has never been used in a car or been exposed to dynamic or environmental hardship (so it's genetic...yeah!!!!).  Seriously, though, I have very few tapes that have intermittent serious drop-outs such as that - in some cases, it's more a case of overall wear, but this is also not easily noticable despite many, many (hundreds) of passes.  And if you have a FLEX circuit or playtrim, then it is not an issue at all.

Again, like Tom, it would Maxell that prove the hardiest and seem impervious to the passing of time.  From the earliest LNs (predating UR) to the latest MX-S and XLII-S - close to bullet proof.

Go well,

Marc



>>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 05/28/04 12:04AM >>>
Paul I have had the same experience with the TDK SA tapes, I strongly
believe that your deck is in fine condition and it is the tape that is
causing the dropouts. I have over 700 tapes and I too have a vast range of
Maxell and TDK and the Maxell seem to be better for the long life factor.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: P. Rossi [mailto:pauro at tin.it] 
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell MS, TDK SM, and TDK SA-X High Bias Tapes


Hi Mark,
I own a 682zx and a zx-7, the first one brought new in 1982. Most of my
tapes have been recorded between 1982 and 1989. My experience is the
following:
I've mainly used maxell  xlii-s first and second generation, tdk sa/ sa-x/
ad and sony ux-s. I have more then 200 cassettes.
I have noticed that almoust all of my sony and some tdk cassettes (mainly
SA) have some droupouts during playback while the maxell ones are in better
condition. I tried re-taping on one of these (SA) but had always dropouts,
while using a new TDK SA just opened this didn't happen. I think that some
tapes or more stable in time while others after many years lose their audio
properties.
Now, I have red about the orange cap desease, so I don't undestand if the
reason of these dropouts can be caused by the caps that must be replaced or
are only caused by these tapes.

About six years ago I had the decks checked by nakamichy dealer in Rome,
Italy, where I live.

Since you own the same decks I would like to know your experience, if you
replaced the caps and if eventually you have the service manual of these
decks. I was thinking to  replace the caps on mine.
Any suggestions are welcomed

Thanks
Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark & Michelle Barrett" <sharpei at verizon.net>
To: "NakTalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:16 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MS, TDK SM, and TDK SA-X High Bias Tapes


> Jon,
>
> I've tried the Maxell MS & TDK SM cassettes recently.
> The Maxell MS is marketed as an XLII formulation tape in a high quality
> shell. I bought a box of them 2 months ago and found it to be virtually
> identical to the XLII in performance. The shell is heavier and reminds
> me - in more ways than one (!) to the XLII-S tapes I have. The last
> cassette in the box (1 of 10) had the same shell/reel hub problem I've
> encountered in the recent XLII-S cassettes. As for the readily available
> XLII - its not my favorite high bias tape, but, its very, very durable
> and a very neutral sounding tape.
> The TDK SM is marketed as the SA formulation thats more durable and
> designed for heavier use. I'm guessing the tape uses a different binder
> than the standard SA to give it better durability. I bought a couple of
> these and was very impressed in the performance and sound quality of the
> tape. It reminded me of the older SA's - low noise and crisp. I have not
> fared well with modern SA's - which is why the SM impressed me so much.
> SA's sound horrible in my ZX-7, though I haven't tried them in my other
> Naks.
> I did pleasantly renew my likeness for the TDK SA-X. I had bought a box
> of these 2 years ago, but, had gotten rid of most of them because they
> too sounded horrible in the ZX-7. After finding out that my ZX-7 eq was
> tweaked for Maxell tapes, I tried a couple of the remaining SA-X in my
> 682ZX and they sounded amazing ! Very delicate, good detail; as good as
> the XLII-S which has been my "standard" high bias tape as of late. As I
> said, both of these SA-X's are 2 years old, well played, and once
> previously recorded on. I found no evidence of dropouts or anything
> other than fine performance from these SA-X's.
>
> Mark
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From rpendleton at graphiconverting.com.naks.com  Sun May 30 05:56:24 2004
From: rpendleton at graphiconverting.com.naks.com (rpendleton)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 20:56:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] bx 300 transport problems
Message-ID: <000801c445fa$13d54120$d902a8c0@maintenance>

I have a BX 300 that I bought new but haven't used for 6 years or so.I am having trouble with the play, fast/forward and rewind.The wheels turn very weakly or not at all.I wish to get my old buddy back into good shape as I have about 300 tapes I recorded over the years and it is a lot of good stuff I haven't heard in a long time.I am looking for info on manuals or good repair shops in the Southern Calif. area.Thanks for any info. Dave Curry

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun May 30 06:55:23 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 23:55:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental  fundumentals 
Message-ID: <4997-40B9693B-898@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

whats the  WORST NAK ever made?

thank you very much,
gerald



From sharpei at verizon.net  Sun May 30 16:16:58 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 09:16:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Head Cleaner Solvents
Message-ID: <40B9ECDA.1050908@verizon.net>

Folks,

I use American Recorder S-721H Professional Audio Tape Head Cleaning 
Fluid. Go to www.americanrecorder.com -> click on cleaners and it'll be 
listed and you'll see a small picture of it with a link to a review on 
the right.
I've been using this for a few years now. Its excellent and, unlike 
alcohol or most other cleaners, its good for the pinch rollers.

Mark
sharpei at verizon.net



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun May 30 22:22:13 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 15:22:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: naktalk-request@naks.com's message of Sun, 11 Apr 2004
	12:00:47 +0200
Message-ID: <10034-40BA4275-583@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>

dear sir, just had an opportunity to review this file i had saved into
"storage" on my MSN WEB TV.I'm finnaly getting an opportunity to
transfer sme of this data to parchment.want to thank you for excellent
info. on the shure v-15.i m going to try a replacement aftermarket
stylus(the cheapest possible) to determine if the v-15 is ruined or
not.if the v-15 is ruined,i can recoup some of my expenditure from
selling it on e-bay.No reply ncessary,but if you have any specific
information onreplacement aftermarket  V-15 stlus,i would appreciate
that very much,thank you,

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon May 31 01:44:45 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:44:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naaks Museum
Message-ID: <21469-40BA71ED-1433@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>

if someone wants to start  a Naks Museeum,i will donate my 700
tri-tracer to start it off.

thank you very much,
gerald






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From ti at amb.org  Tue Jun  1 22:34:15 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
In-Reply-To: <000f01c44447$b9ace8a0$0500000a@uswest.net> from "Jonathan Ochi"
	at May 27, 2004 05:07:10 PM
Message-ID: <200406012034.UAA15782@amb.org>

Thanks for all your responses.

I went to Radio Shack and bought a bottle of the professional head cleaner
solvent, part number 44-1113 (2 fl. oz).

The package says that the ingredients are:
Isopropanol (67-63-0), Ethanol (64-17-5), Methanol (2.8%) (67-56-1).

-Ti
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 09:48:23 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:48:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!
In-Reply-To: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>

Guys

I'm being bounced and receiving nasty e-mails because some b****d has been
using my nelson3.freeserve.co.uk address to cover their SPAM.   Any ideas
how I should deal with this?

Gra'
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Jun  3 01:22:08 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:22:08 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Hello is anyone out there?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D52C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hello everyone, just testing to see if anyone is out there.

Tom. 


From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jun  3 14:03:31 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:03:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] Hello is anyone out there?
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D52C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au
	>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D52C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <6785.212.78.179.234.1086264211.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Yes, i'm here!

Just like our Naks computers also need some attention sometimes... Naktalk
was too quiet for me, so i checked the server and gave sendmail/mailman a
kick and now everything is fine again!

Wouter

> Hello everyone, just testing to see if anyone is out there.
>
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From sad124 at wowway.com  Thu Jun  3 02:56:13 2004
From: sad124 at wowway.com (Scott Duncan)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:56:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Echo Audio
Message-ID: <000801c44905$92ec99a0$f9c12f45@VALUED20606295>

I just bought a Nak CR-7A from Echo Audio in Protland, Oregon.  They said everything is calibrated to Nakamichi specs (they claimed one of their techs is Nakamichi trained).  I used to have a "Sanktified" CR-7 but unfortunately sold it. The tapes made from the "Sanktified" CR-7 play back great on the CR-7 from Echo. The unit also records great, but I'm wondering if I should have Mr. Sank give it a once over?  Does anyone know about Echo Audio? Do they have Nakamichi trained techs?  Would there be any need for me to send it to Mr. Sank? Thanks.
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jun  3 14:17:55 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu,  3 Jun 2004 08:17:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!
In-Reply-To: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
References: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1086265075.40bf16f3ec76e@mail.ce.net>

Gra'

Get a big stick!

Quoting Gimli <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>:

> Guys
> 
> I'm being bounced and receiving nasty e-mails because some b****d has been
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jun  3 14:17:01 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu,  3 Jun 2004 08:17:01 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaner solvent
In-Reply-To: <200406012034.UAA15782@amb.org>
References: <200406012034.UAA15782@amb.org>
Message-ID: <1086265021.40bf16bda0c7d@mail.ce.net>

Try it with lime juice!

Quoting Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>:

> Thanks for all your responses.
> 
> I went to Radio Shack and bought a bottle of the professional head cleaner
> solvent, part number 44-1113 (2 fl. oz).
> 
> The package says that the ingredients are:
> Isopropanol (67-63-0), Ethanol (64-17-5), Methanol (2.8%) (67-56-1).
> 
> -Ti
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Jun  3 14:47:38 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:47:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!
In-Reply-To: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
References: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <40BF1DEA.8060507@rcn.com>

Gimli wrote:
> Guys
> 
> I'm being bounced and receiving nasty e-mails because some b****d has been
> using my nelson3.freeserve.co.uk address to cover their SPAM.   Any ideas
> how I should deal with this?
> 
> Gra'

How annoying!!!

How about contacting freeserve? They should be able to close the account.

-- Ron







From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Jun  3 14:48:35 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:48:35 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] bx 300 transport problems
References: <000801c445fa$13d54120$d902a8c0@maintenance>
Message-ID: <004e01c44969$2e578d60$fa299bca@aisha>


I believe what you need is a simple rubber gear replacement - although you need to be careful in the process.  This rubber idler needs to be replaced every 2-3 years, a permanent solution would be to replace the rubber idler system with a plastic gear system but will cost a lot.  

Replacing the belt drive as well will be useful in the long run.  I will try to send a pdf copy of service manual soon.

Best regards,
Salim SM


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rpendleton 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:56 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] bx 300 transport problems


  I have a BX 300 that I bought new but haven't used for 6 years or so.I am having trouble with the play, fast/forward and rewind.The wheels turn very weakly or not at all.I wish to get my old buddy back into good shape as I have about 300 tapes I recorded over the years and it is a lot of good stuff I haven't heard in a long time.I am looking for info on manuals or good repair shops in the Southern Calif. area.Thanks for any info. Dave Curry

  My e-mail is dcurry at nctimes.net

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jun  3 19:34:06 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:34:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Echo Audio
References: <000801c44905$92ec99a0$f9c12f45@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <003601c44990$f92cfd50$3a773242@CopyTech>

Yes, they do have one guy that is a former Nak technician. Unfortunately, my expreince with them was not so positive. I bought a 700 ZXL that supposely was mint. Later on it came out with a distortion on right channel that after severla trips to Oregon and New Mexico, nobody got with it and I sold it to a friend in Canada for peanuts.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott Duncan 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:56 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Echo Audio


  I just bought a Nak CR-7A from Echo Audio in Protland, Oregon.  They said everything is calibrated to Nakamichi specs (they claimed one of their techs is Nakamichi trained).  I used to have a "Sanktified" CR-7 but unfortunately sold it. The tapes made from the "Sanktified" CR-7 play back great on the CR-7 from Echo. The unit also records great, but I'm wondering if I should have Mr. Sank give it a once over?  Does anyone know about Echo Audio? Do they have Nakamichi trained techs?  Would there be any need for me to send it to Mr. Sank? Thanks.


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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Jun  3 20:27:56 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:27:56 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!
References: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
	<40BF1DEA.8060507@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <001001c44998$8a537b40$cc299bca@aisha>


Are you sure is not virus related ?  I've been receiving virus email from
myself using my yahoo id !  It's getting really ridiculous.


----- Original Message -----
From: Ron
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: help!!!


Gimli wrote:
> Guys
>
> I'm being bounced and receiving nasty e-mails because some b****d has been
> using my nelson3.freeserve.co.uk address to cover their SPAM.   Any ideas
> how I should deal with this?
>
> Gra'

How annoying!!!

How about contacting freeserve? They should be able to close the account.

-- Ron





From luis at peromarta.org  Thu Jun  3 14:45:48 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:45:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!
In-Reply-To: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za>
	<000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org>


SPAMASSASSIN.

www.spamassassin.org

Good luck. LP.

El 02/06/04 a las  8:48, gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk dijo : 

> Guys
> 
> I'm being bounced and receiving nasty e-mails because some b****d has been
> using my nelson3.freeserve.co.uk address to cover their SPAM.   Any ideas
> how I should deal with this?
> 
> Gra'

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 19:27:23 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:27:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental  fundumentals 
References: <4997-40B9693B-898@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001601c44990$088070d0$507b4254@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

dragon!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 5:55 AM
Subject: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental fundumentals


> whats the  WORST NAK ever made?
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 19:29:10 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:29:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] bx 300 transport problems
References: <000801c445fa$13d54120$d902a8c0@maintenance>
	<004e01c44969$2e578d60$fa299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <004201c44990$482f8a90$507b4254@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

just rescued a bx2 idler, but they are available from nak\b&w in uk £12
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Salim Marzuki 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Cc: dcurry at nctimes.net 
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx 300 transport problems


   
  I believe what you need is a simple rubber gear replacement - although you need to be careful in the process.  This rubber idler needs to be replaced every 2-3 years, a permanent solution would be to replace the rubber idler system with a plastic gear system but will cost a lot.  
   
  Replacing the belt drive as well will be useful in the long run.  I will try to send a pdf copy of service manual soon.
   
  Best regards,
  Salim SM
   
   
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: rpendleton 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:56 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] bx 300 transport problems


    I have a BX 300 that I bought new but haven't used for 6 years or so.I am having trouble with the play, fast/forward and rewind.The wheels turn very weakly or not at all.I wish to get my old buddy back into good shape as I have about 300 tapes I recorded over the years and it is a lot of good stuff I haven't heard in a long time.I am looking for info on manuals or good repair shops in the Southern Calif. area.Thanks for any info. Dave Curry
     
    My e-mail is dcurry at nctimes.net



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From richard at richardhess.com  Thu Jun  3 20:48:08 2004
From: richard at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Thu,  3 Jun 2004 11:48:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!
In-Reply-To: <001001c44998$8a537b40$cc299bca@aisha>
References: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
	<40BF1DEA.8060507@rcn.com> <001001c44998$8a537b40$cc299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <1086288488.40bf726869047@www.richardhess.com>

I like Spam Assassin that runs on my servers Popfile.sourceforge.net that is
open source software to deal with incoming.

I have contacted both the California state attorney general's office and the
Ontario RCMP (when my servers were located in Ontario) about stealing my email
address.

Bottom line...it's not worth raising your blood pressure over. It's happening to
everyone. The rats are trying to bog down email and annoy everyone.

Make sure your virus sigs are up to date and just know you're not the only one
going through this.

Cheers,

Richard
--

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http://www.richardhess.com/


Quoting Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>:

>
> Are you sure is not virus related ?  I've been receiving virus email from
> myself using my yahoo id !  It's getting really ridiculous.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: help!!!
>
>
> Gimli wrote:
> > Guys
> >
> > I'm being bounced and receiving nasty e-mails because some b****d has been
> > using my nelson3.freeserve.co.uk address to cover their SPAM.   Any ideas
> > how I should deal with this?
> >
> > Gra'
>
> How annoying!!!
>
> How about contacting freeserve? They should be able to close the account.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
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From jhkim at pentamicro.com  Fri Jun  4 04:13:08 2004
From: jhkim at pentamicro.com (=?utf-8?Q?=EA=B9=80=EC=A2=85=ED=98=84=28Jonghyeon_Kim=29?=)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:13:08 +0900
Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - Noise when 
References: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer><40BF1DEA.8060507@rcn.com>
	<001001c44998$8a537b40$cc299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <10de01c449d9$7a66b9e0$1901a8c0@jhkim>

HI all.

I purchased a DRAGON which is mint condition.

When a cassette tape is inserted, my DRAGON generate some noise performing taking up operation.

but when a cassette is not inserted, the noise is not generated; taking up operation is performed without any noise.(except spindle motor noise which is very low)

Do all dragon do this?

Thanks.

Jonghyein Kim
Seoul, Korea



From pieboy at att.net  Fri Jun  4 07:21:18 2004
From: pieboy at att.net (pieboy at att.net)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:21:18 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Echo Audio
Message-ID: <060420040521.4114.40C006CE0008724E00001012216028130297010D0A079F@att.net>

As a resident of Eugene, Oregon I have visited Echo Audio in Portland, Oregon countless times. As far as I know it is the best used audio shop in the universe, and I have bought and sold equipment there regularly over the years.

As I understand it, the owner of Echo previously worked in another audio store. Both he and his former associate were Nak trained; and that store was an authorized Nak service center so they received service jobs from all over the region. 

Although I have never had Echo service a piece of Nak gear or bought a piece of used Nak gear there, I would be totally confident doing so. 

Best regards, 
John Derven 
Eugene, Oregon



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I just bought a Nak CR-7A from Echo Audio in Protland, Oregon.  They said everything is calibrated to Nakamichi specs (they claimed one of their techs is Nakamichi trained).  I used to have a "Sanktified" CR-7 but unfortunately sold it. The tapes made from the "Sanktified" CR-7 play back great on the CR-7 from Echo. The unit also records great, but I'm wondering if I should have Mr. Sank give it a once over?  Does anyone know about Echo Audio? Do they have Nakamichi trained techs?  Would there be any need for me to send it to Mr. Sank? Thanks.
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From bsamonte at nyc.rr.com  Fri Jun  4 01:57:07 2004
From: bsamonte at nyc.rr.com (Benedict Samonte)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:57:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Echo Audio
Message-ID: <200406032357.i53Nv6S6017000@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

 

Hi Scott, I'm quite new to the forum but I'm learning a lot from the
veterans here. I too bought a Nak ZX-7  from Echo Audio through 

Audiogon.  It was well packaged when I received it (Oregon to NY). The unit
was what they described "Specs out beautifully". I made 

Some tape recordings and the ZX-7 can rival a CR-7A, but not exceed it but
close (I have a CR-7A, CR-5A and a BX-300).  Echo Audio's 

Nakamichi trained tech is Kurt Doslu. He was very professional when I was
dealing with him through e-mail. I do believe that there is 30-day

Warranty if there's any problem. Hope this helps..

Regards,

Ben

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From christos at ISI.EDU  Fri Jun  4 15:34:57 2004
From: christos at ISI.EDU (Christos Papadopoulos)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:34:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for owners' manual for an AV-1
Message-ID: <200406041334.i54DYv614015@boreas.isi.edu>

I am looking for the owner's manual for a Nakamichi AV-1
receiver. The Nak service center does not have an electronic
copy (I was actually surprised they responded). Does anyone
have one? I am willing to pay for copying and mailing expenses.

One more question: does anyone know if there is a procedure to
switch between the composite and S-video inputs/output in this
receiver, or are they all active at the same time?

Thanks!

Christos.


From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 18:39:49 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:39:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!
In-Reply-To: <1086288488.40bf726869047@www.richardhess.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c44a52$8d5d6b60$67e64c51@oemcomputer>

Thanks for that, Richard - reassuring ... I think!  :o)

Mind you ... just because I'm paranoiac doesn't mean they aren't out to get
me!!

Grinham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Richard L. Hess
> Sent: 03 June 2004 19:48
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: help!!!
>
>
> I like Spam Assassin that runs on my servers
> Popfile.sourceforge.net that is
> open source software to deal with incoming.
>
> I have contacted both the California state attorney general's
> office and the
> Ontario RCMP (when my servers were located in Ontario) about
> stealing my email
> address.
>
> Bottom line...it's not worth raising your blood pressure over.
> It's happening to
> everyone. The rats are trying to bog down email and annoy everyone.
>
> Make sure your virus sigs are up to date and just know you're not
> the only one
> going through this.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
> --
>
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> http://www.richardhess.com/
>
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Fri Jun  4 20:41:37 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:41:37 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - Noise when
References: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
	<40BF1DEA.8060507@rcn.com> <001001c44998$8a537b40$cc299bca@aisha>
	<10de01c449d9$7a66b9e0$1901a8c0@jhkim>
Message-ID: <006901c44a63$920782c0$8e299bca@aisha>


Hello,

If not mistaken, that slack takeup sound are coming from somewhat hardened
idler rubber behind cassette well - and not a reason to worry.  It happened
to many old naks and the solution would be to replace the very hard to find
rubber idler, and go through the pain in getting that little wheel out !

Personally I would wait until the idler can't drive the reel anymore (ff rew
gets very slow) before attempting the repair.  If the rubber did not became
rock hard it would still be possible to clean or scrape the hardened surface
slowly and carefully.

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: 김종현 (Jonghyeon Kim)
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:13 AM
Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - Noise when


HI all.

I purchased a DRAGON which is mint condition.

When a cassette tape is inserted, my DRAGON generate some noise performing
taking up operation.

but when a cassette is not inserted, the noise is not generated; taking up
operation is performed without any noise.(except spindle motor noise which
is very low)

Do all dragon do this?

Thanks.

Jonghyein Kim
Seoul, Korea





From menelaos at stls.verio.net  Fri Jun  4 19:03:38 2004
From: menelaos at stls.verio.net (Menelaos Karamichalis)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:03:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!
In-Reply-To: <001001c44998$8a537b40$cc299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10406041202130.48880-100000@admin.starnet.net>

The email address is being spoofed.  The ISP of freeserve.co.uk cannot do
anything about this, unfortunately, since the email is not originating
from there.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: help!!!
> 
> 
> Gimli wrote:
> > Guys
> >
> > I'm being bounced and receiving nasty e-mails because some b****d has been
> > using my nelson3.freeserve.co.uk address to cover their SPAM.   Any ideas
> > how I should deal with this?
> >
> > Gra'

RX202



From trevor.birch at btclick.com  Fri Jun  4 19:20:55 2004
From: trevor.birch at btclick.com (Trevor Birch)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:20:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted - AV-8 User Manual
Message-ID: <003b01c44a58$4b87e070$5f4f8251@BIRCHTLT1>

Can anyone help me with either an electronic or good quality photocopy of a Anaemic AV-8 Amplifier Manual? AV-10 would be next best thing.

Regards Trevor Birch
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From virusman at comcast.net  Fri Jun  4 23:03:50 2004
From: virusman at comcast.net (virusman at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 21:03:50 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 581 service manual
Message-ID: <060420042103.18424.40C0E3B600071522000047F82200734076020E039C9A9D0790@comcast.net>

I am looking for a service manual for a Nak 581 tape deck.  It has very diminished audio output and I wish to repair it.

thanks


From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sat Jun  5 15:55:34 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:55:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for owners' manual for an AV-1
In-Reply-To: <200406041334.i54DYv614015@boreas.isi.edu>
References: <200406041334.i54DYv614015@boreas.isi.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040605093620.027beec0@pop.iquebec.com>

Christos,

I believe the composite and S-Video inputs/outputs run in parallel and are 
active at all times. There is no internal conversion possible between the 
two video standards in the AV-1.

Sorry, no manual.

Regards,

-Marc


At 09:34 2004/06/04, you wrote:
>I am looking for the owner's manual for a Nakamichi AV-1
>receiver. The Nak service center does not have an electronic
>copy (I was actually surprised they responded). Does anyone
>have one? I am willing to pay for copying and mailing expenses.
>
>One more question: does anyone know if there is a procedure to
>switch between the composite and S-video inputs/output in this
>receiver, or are they all active at the same time?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Christos.
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  5 18:03:33 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:03:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - Noise when
References: <000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer><40BF1DEA.8060507@rcn.com><001001c44998$8a537b40$cc299bca@aisha>
	<10de01c449d9$7a66b9e0$1901a8c0@jhkim>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV11tpXv8CD4000294b5@hotmail.com>

Hi Kim!

Mine 20 years un-used Dragon recently received have the same noise, was
extremely easy eliminated with the Prestone Silicone Spray lubrication, you
only need to spray extremely lightly to the lower white plastic (Teflon!),
gears with the cassette cover off, better as I do it, to insert an a old
cassette for protected the heads from any spray contact!

I'm 100% sure that will work...!!!

Please inform us if after such treatment..NO MORE noise?

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "김종현(Jonghyeon Kim)" <jhkim at pentamicro.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 4:13 AM
Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - Noise when


> HI all.
>
> I purchased a DRAGON which is mint condition.
>
> When a cassette tape is inserted, my DRAGON generate some noise performing
taking up operation.
>
> but when a cassette is not inserted, the noise is not generated; taking up
operation is performed without any noise.(except spindle motor noise which
is very low)
>
> Do all dragon do this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jonghyein Kim
> Seoul, Korea
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  5 18:05:48 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:05:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental  fundumentals
References: <4997-40B9693B-898@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
	<001601c44990$088070d0$507b4254@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV24ecm9t0CI000001f7@hotmail.com>

WHY??????????????????????

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "p r" <phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental fundumentals


> dragon!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 5:55 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental fundumentals
>
>
> > whats the  WORST NAK ever made?
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald
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From bobf at oodg.net  Sun Jun  6 03:19:10 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:19:10 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!
Message-ID: <200406060119.AYM46273@ms9.netsolmail.com>

I work in network security and there is actually an easy fix.
If your ISP, and so many others including mine, will require
login to send the problem will be gone.

I really don't know why more don't do this as they already have
everything necessary to do so if they require login to receive.

Try to convince them they need to require logins to send mail.

Good luck,

Bob Folline
---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:03:38 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Menelaos Karamichalis <menelaos at stls.verio.net>  
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:  help!!!  
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>The email address is being spoofed.  The ISP of freeserve.co.uk cannot do
>anything about this, unfortunately, since the email is not originating
>from there.
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ron
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: help!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Gimli wrote:
>> > Guys
>> >
>> > I'm being bounced and receiving nasty e-mails because some b****d has 
been
>> > using my nelson3.freeserve.co.uk address to cover their SPAM.   Any ideas
>> > how I should deal with this?
>> >
>> > Gra'
>
>RX202
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed Jun  9 03:56:22 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:56:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape
Message-ID: <26839-40C66E46-186@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net>

I am positively DYING in anticipation of the new marathon tapes.Please,i
know it takes time but i am SO looking forward to it!

thank you very much,
gerald



From jberger at well.com  Wed Jun  9 18:26:30 2004
From: jberger at well.com (John Berger)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0406090924450.15129@well.com>

I picked up a BX-150 at a thrift store for $20 yesterday, after seeing
that it was showing symptoms of a worn idler wheel.  I figured that I
could fix it for another $5, but now I can't find any of the emails from
the list that gave sources.  Anyone have a pointer for me?



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Jun  9 19:16:07 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:16:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 for trade/sale
In-Reply-To: <4997-40B9693B-898@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040609130804.027bc760@psulias.psu.edu>

Hi all,

I'm looking to find a second Yamaha KX-690 (or possibly another quality 
Dolby S deck) for which I'd trade a CR-2 which is in outstanding condition, 
save the obligatory stacking marks on the top. Regularly cleaned and used 
sparingly  but consistently over the years. Bought 2nd hand from an 
authorized Nak dealer (was his wife's deck).

If someone wants to buy it outright, I'd consider offers.  Would like $100 
for it.

Thanks,



From BADANTH at aol.com  Wed Jun  9 20:57:41 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:57:41 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?
Message-ID: <d8.c9bdf77.2df8b7a5@aol.com>

MCM is where I got mine 
http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/support/search/searchResults.jsp?action=0&First=0&QText=32-5665+&x=16&y=8

Hope it works out....
Anthony

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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 21:47:04 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:47:04 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0406090924450.15129@well.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c44e5a$8a89b400$bcd14f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

there is an ebay seller that sells spare idlers
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Berger" <jberger at well.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:26 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?


> I picked up a BX-150 at a thrift store for $20 yesterday, after seeing
> that it was showing symptoms of a worn idler wheel.  I figured that I
> could fix it for another $5, but now I can't find any of the emails from
> the list that gave sources.  Anyone have a pointer for me?
>
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 21:46:29 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:46:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0406090924450.15129@well.com>
Message-ID: <000701c44e5a$75760af0$bcd14f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

from other contributors nakamichi .com should be able to help (mellisa)?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Berger" <jberger at well.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:26 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?


> I picked up a BX-150 at a thrift store for $20 yesterday, after seeing
> that it was showing symptoms of a worn idler wheel.  I figured that I
> could fix it for another $5, but now I can't find any of the emails from
> the list that gave sources.  Anyone have a pointer for me?
>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Jun 10 01:18:25 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:18:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c44e5a$8a89b400$bcd14f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0406090924450.15129@well.com>
	<000b01c44e5a$8a89b400$bcd14f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>
Message-ID: <40C79AC1.9000409@rcn.com>

LOL... They went on ebay for $17 or some such amount... You can
get them from MCM for 60 cents or so.

-- Ron



p r wrote:
> there is an ebay seller that sells spare idlers
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Berger" <jberger at well.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:26 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?
> 
> 
> 
>>I picked up a BX-150 at a thrift store for $20 yesterday, after seeing
>>that it was showing symptoms of a worn idler wheel.  I figured that I
>>could fix it for another $5, but now I can't find any of the emails from
>>the list that gave sources.  Anyone have a pointer for me?




From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jun 10 02:11:35 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:11:35 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] remote control units for CR-7A
Message-ID: <20040610001136.KXSN96.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Which model numbers work with a Nakamichi CR-7A?  On a Google search, I can across a German site that listed a RM-5 and a RM-200.

I thought that the correct remote model was RM-7C

Will a RM-7 work with a CR-7A?

Roland



From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Jun 10 14:58:50 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:58:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] remote control units for CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <20040610001136.KXSN96.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
References: <20040610001136.KXSN96.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <40C85B0A.201@rcn.com>


The RM-7C is the one that came with my CR-7a

-- Ron



rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:

> Which model numbers work with a Nakamichi CR-7A?  On a Google search, I can across a German site that listed a RM-5 and a RM-200.
> 
> I thought that the correct remote model was RM-7C
> 
> Will a RM-7 work with a CR-7A?
> 
> Roland
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 16:23:55 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:23:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Remote
Message-ID: <000a01c44ef6$8ffc3b50$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Roland,

The RM-200 will definitely operate the CR-7s basic transport functions, but of course, it is wired.  The RM-7C gives you the basic transport functions plus the azimuth adjustment, and it is infrared rather than wired.  I don't have an RM-5, but the CR-7 owners manual lists it as an option to the RM-7C.

I'm not sure if either Jeff at ESL or B&W in England has any of these for sale, but I got an RM-7C from Jeff at the time he re-built my CR-7A, and I got a brand new remote for my TA-4A receiver from B&W earlier this year.

Robert Kent
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 16:59:00 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:59:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Idler Tire and Gear Upgrade
Message-ID: <000b01c44efb$7d893b80$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi John,

MCM is definitely the best source for the idler tires, and the link posted by Anthony takes you right to the correct part number.  The changing of the idler tire is easy to accomplish if you have a little bit of dexterity.  It is located on the idler wheel behind the rear cover in the cassette well.  To insure proper seating of the tire in the wheel, you need to remove the wheel, being very careful not to break the shaft assembly and not to lose the retaining washer or bearing washer.  Simply pull off the old one and replace it with the new one, and reinstall the wheel, retaining washer,  and rear cover plate.

Here is a link to a good discussion of the problem with the BX, CR, and MR idler tires and the gear modification upgrade:
http://www.sonicsense.com/nakfaq42.htm#gearkit

The gear mod is not that hard to do if you are mechanically inclined.  I did one on a CR-5 recently and was successful.  There is a service bulletin from Nakamichi on the replacement proceedure, ( I can fax a copy, but I do not have an electronic version), but it is not exact as to relationships of all deck components depending on which deck you are working on, and keeping all the dangling bundles of wires organized so you can get them back in the right place is important.  I got a little coaching from Kannan when I did mine, and it certainly helped.

I also had ESL do a gear mod on my CR-7 and it came out great!

Robert Kent

Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Berger <jberger at well.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?
To: naktalk at naks.com
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0406090924450.15129 at well.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I picked up a BX-150 at a thrift store for $20 yesterday, after seeing
that it was showing symptoms of a worn idler wheel.  I figured that I
could fix it for another $5, but now I can't find any of the emails from
the list that gave sources.  Anyone have a pointer for me?
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 17:02:48 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:02:48 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] BX, CR, MR Idler
Message-ID: <000a01c44efb$fee588f0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi John,

MCM is definitely the best source for the idler tires, and the link posted by Anthony takes you right to the correct part number.  The changing of the idler tire is easy to accomplish if you have a little bit of dexterity.  It is located on the idler wheel behind the rear cover in the cassette well.  To insure proper seating of the tire in the wheel, you need to remove the wheel, being very careful not to break the shaft assembly and not to lose the retaining washer or bearing washer.  Simply pull off the old one and replace it with the new one, and reinstall the wheel, retaining washer,  and rear cover plate.

Here is a link to a good discussion of the problem with the BX, CR, and MR idler tires and the gear modification upgrade:
http://www.sonicsense.com/nakfaq42.htm#gearkit

The gear mod is not that hard to do if you are mechanically inclined.  I did one on a CR-5 recently and was successful.  There is a service bulletin from Nakamichi on the replacement proceedure, ( I can fax a copy, but I do not have an electronic version), but it is not exact as to relationships of all deck components depending on which deck you are working on, and keeping all the dangling bundles of wires organized so you can get them back in the right place is important.  I got a little coaching from Kannan when I did mine, and it certainly helped.

I also had ESL do a gear mod on my CR-7 and it came out great!

Robert Kent

Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Berger <jberger at well.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Source for idler wheels?
To: naktalk at naks.com
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0406090924450.15129 at well.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I picked up a BX-150 at a thrift store for $20 yesterday, after seeing
that it was showing symptoms of a worn idler wheel.  I figured that I
could fix it for another $5, but now I can't find any of the emails from
the list that gave sources.  Anyone have a pointer for me?
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 10 21:28:50 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:28:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] remote control units for CR-7A
References: <20040610001136.KXSN96.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
	<40C85B0A.201@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV58S3v7xq7e0002e2a3@hotmail.com>

Hello to all of you!

Only for your files, once I own a 1000/2, from 1978, and remain with me the
remote control using 5 meter cable, which I use it with my Dragon!
Of course, the RM-200 will fit much better, to all the reverse that the
Dragon has..., however such old item works with the ultimate Dragon!!!
That's is really amazing...?

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] remote control units for CR-7A


>
> The RM-7C is the one that came with my CR-7a
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
> rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:
>
> > Which model numbers work with a Nakamichi CR-7A?  On a Google search, I
can across a German site that listed a RM-5 and a RM-200.
> >
> > I thought that the correct remote model was RM-7C
> >
> > Will a RM-7 work with a CR-7A?
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
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From g_kalba at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 10 22:28:25 2004
From: g_kalba at hotmail.com (Gregg Kalba)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:28:25 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Jammed cassette
Message-ID: <BAY22-F9KV014bBza2C00022bde@hotmail.com>

I've got a CR-2A with a cassette jammed in the well.  Tape transport is in 
the 'play' position, so I can't simply press the door release to remove the 
cassette.  I can see some tape spooled out from the cassette, too.  It's a 
mess.

I was wondering if this was an easy problem to fix - by myself - or if I 
needed to send it to a professional?

Any advice appreciated!

Thanks,
Gregg

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From bobf at oodg.net  Thu Jun 10 22:49:27 2004
From: bobf at oodg.net (Bob Folline)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:49:27 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] remote control units for CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <20040610001136.KXSN96.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <200406102049.AZB17585@ms9.netsolmail.com>

I have an RM-7C with my CA-7A.

Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of rjlbjk at cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 17:12
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] remote control units for CR-7A

Which model numbers work with a Nakamichi CR-7A?  On a Google search, I can
across a German site that listed a RM-5 and a RM-200.

I thought that the correct remote model was RM-7C

Will a RM-7 work with a CR-7A?

Roland

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From oldaudiofun at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 05:37:58 2004
From: oldaudiofun at yahoo.com (Denise Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:37:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door
Message-ID: <20040611033758.52848.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
   I recently bought a nak zx-7 and the cassette door is in fine shape,
but you can stick your finger through the window in the door. By this
I mean that there is nothing covering that opening. Is this the way
they were made or has the plastic (I'm assuming) covering/window
disappeared on mine.
    Well, just hoping some of you knowledgable knak guys or zx-7 
owners could help me out. 
     Thanks.

		
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jun 11 09:40:59 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:40:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door
In-Reply-To: <20040611033758.52848.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c44f87$708d3c60$3274893e@oemcomputer>

That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to BlueTak a
piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old CD jewel
case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially spoil the
value of the machine.)

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Denise Paul
  Sent: 11 June 2004 04:38
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door


  Hi,
     I recently bought a nak zx-7 and the cassette door is in fine shape,
  but you can stick your finger through the window in the door. By this
  I mean that there is nothing covering that opening. Is this the way
  they were made or has the plastic (I'm assuming) covering/window
  disappeared on mine.
      Well, just hoping some of you knowledgable knak guys or zx-7
  owners could help me out.
       Thanks.


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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Jun 11 09:54:30 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:54:30 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door
References: <000001c44f87$708d3c60$3274893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006101c44f89$567664d0$1010a8c0@tg>

The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp causing heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when touched!!!)
Tayfur
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door


  That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to BlueTak a piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old CD jewel case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially spoil the value of the machine.)

  Gra'
    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Denise Paul
    Sent: 11 June 2004 04:38
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door


    Hi,
       I recently bought a nak zx-7 and the cassette door is in fine shape,
    but you can stick your finger through the window in the door. By this
    I mean that there is nothing covering that opening. Is this the way
    they were made or has the plastic (I'm assuming) covering/window
    disappeared on mine.
        Well, just hoping some of you knowledgable knak guys or zx-7 
    owners could help me out. 
         Thanks.


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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Fri Jun 11 15:30:36 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:30:36 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door
References: <000001c44f87$708d3c60$3274893e@oemcomputer>
	<006101c44f89$567664d0$1010a8c0@tg>
Message-ID: <001a01c44fbe$42dee160$4c299bca@aisha>


I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.  Considering the
lamp is located above the gap then it won't serve quite well as ventilation.
Only zx and lx models have no plastic cover, the rest including latter model
dragon are sealed.  My suggestion is not to touch the bulb. =)

Have a nice weekend !
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Tayfur Gunay
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door


The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp causing
heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when touched!!!)
Tayfur
----- Original Message -----
From: Nelson
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door


That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to BlueTak a
piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old CD jewel
case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially spoil the
value of the machine.)

Gra'




From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Jun 12 14:16:55 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:16:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you that it
is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through the open
area on the door.  Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to always protect
in sensitive innards from dust, etc.  Also, if I'm not using the NakStack
(my little term, a stack of  Nak gear from bottom to top consisting of:
680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I place a nice
clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and whatever.

Best regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA


----- Original Message -----
From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>

>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: zx-7 door (Salim Marzuki)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:30:36 +0700
> From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <001a01c44fbe$42dee160$4c299bca at aisha>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
> I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.  Considering the
> lamp is located above the gap then it won't serve quite well as
ventilation.
> Only zx and lx models have no plastic cover, the rest including latter
model
> dragon are sealed.  My suggestion is not to touch the bulb. =)
>
> Have a nice weekend !
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tayfur Gunay
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
>
>
> The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp causing
> heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
> Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when touched!!!)
> Tayfur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nelson
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door
>
>
> That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to BlueTak a
> piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old CD jewel
> case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially spoil the
> value of the machine.)
>
> Gra'
>
>
>
>
>
> End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
> ***************************************
>




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 12 15:45:58 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:45:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com>
	<003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV64opcnvy3J0002ffb1@hotmail.com>

Hello Bleus!

A stupid enquire!
Explain me very logically..THE WHY to have stacked so many Nak units?
On or two suffice!!!!

Thanks so much, and continue your happing listening

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:16 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


> I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you that it
> is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through the open
> area on the door.  Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to always
protect
> in sensitive innards from dust, etc.  Also, if I'm not using the NakStack
> (my little term, a stack of  Nak gear from bottom to top consisting of:
> 680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I place a
nice
> clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and whatever.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bleus de Nakker
> Madison, Wisc USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
>
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: zx-7 door (Salim Marzuki)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:30:36 +0700
> > From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Message-ID: <001a01c44fbe$42dee160$4c299bca at aisha>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> >
> > I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.  Considering
the
> > lamp is located above the gap then it won't serve quite well as
> ventilation.
> > Only zx and lx models have no plastic cover, the rest including latter
> model
> > dragon are sealed.  My suggestion is not to touch the bulb. =)
> >
> > Have a nice weekend !
> > Salim SM
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tayfur Gunay
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> >
> >
> > The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp causing
> > heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
> > Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when
touched!!!)
> > Tayfur
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Nelson
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> >
> >
> > That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to BlueTak
a
> > piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old CD jewel
> > case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially spoil
the
> > value of the machine.)
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
> > ***************************************
> >
>
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Sat Jun 12 23:54:33 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:54:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door
Message-ID: <200406121754_MC3-1-848E-2ED6@compuserve.com>

Hi Salim,

The gap on the cassette door maybe just cosmetic on some models, but I
agree with Tayfur on the heat generated by the lamp. I believe, this lamp
is the major source for early wearing/hardening of the idler-tire in the
mechanism. If you leave the deck running for a long time, even without
playing a tape in it, the heat emitted from the lamp keeps baking the idler
wheel and hardens the plastic. The gap on the door will definitely help
with ventilation especially if there is no cassette in it.

_Fuad



Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
>


I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.  Considering the
lamp is located above the gap then it won't serve quite well as
ventilation.
Only zx and lx models have no plastic cover, the rest including latter
model
dragon are sealed.  My suggestion is not to touch the bulb. =)

Have a nice weekend !
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Tayfur Gunay
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door


The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp causing
heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when touched!!!)
Tayfur
----- Original Message -----
From: Nelson
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door


That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to BlueTak a
piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old CD jewel
case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially spoil the
value of the machine.)

Gra'

<




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Jun 13 07:09:08 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:09:08 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com>
	<003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <002301c45111$316f7b20$07299bca@aisha>


The nice part is that it never needs cleaning ! =)   I still prefer larger
glass door of older models 680 etc though than latter mini viewing area.
The one on zx is so small we can barely see the tape label.  Bleus, we
almost have the same view in our room ... nakstack, cassette inside zx and
plastic covered naks ... =)  The plastic part is ugly, but beats cleaning a
sloping 610 all the time.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: KJ Bleus
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you that it
is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through the open
area on the door.  Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to always protect
in sensitive innards from dust, etc.  Also, if I'm not using the NakStack
(my little term, a stack of  Nak gear from bottom to top consisting of:
680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I place a nice
clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and whatever.

Best regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA





From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Jun 13 07:42:14 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:42:14 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door
References: <200406121754_MC3-1-848E-2ED6@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <002401c45111$321ef500$07299bca@aisha>


Hi Fuad,

I agree with the heat generated and that it's bad for cassette shell ... but
I think it's a bit far away from the rubber idler to cause any real damage.
The ones that fail miserably are from BX models which do not use any lamp at
all.  While it's unfair to compare BX smaller idler size, I experienced only
1 out of maybe 15 old naks that is totally useless hard as rock idler - and
it's from ancient 482, which again did not use lamp in the well.  I think
age has more to do with it.

I only disagree that Nak cleverly left the cassette cover open as a
ventilation purpose - as most of their decks are already very hot on the
inside and Nak never give any real thought to help dissipate the heat more
effectively.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Compudude
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door


Hi Salim,

The gap on the cassette door maybe just cosmetic on some models, but I
agree with Tayfur on the heat generated by the lamp. I believe, this lamp
is the major source for early wearing/hardening of the idler-tire in the
mechanism. If you leave the deck running for a long time, even without
playing a tape in it, the heat emitted from the lamp keeps baking the idler
wheel and hardens the plastic. The gap on the door will definitely help
with ventilation especially if there is no cassette in it.

_Fuad



Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
>


I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.  Considering the




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Jun 13 07:56:49 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:56:49 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com>
	<003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<BAY18-DAV64opcnvy3J0002ffb1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002501c45111$32acdd20$07299bca@aisha>


Greetings Alex, at least now the word stupid is not in bold red font. =)
Regarding the so many naks unit, it's only hobby and some of us consider
naks as our collection while his/her primary listening source may come from
cd/lp/radio.  Some other hunt for vintage audio stuff and well, some people
even collect stamps that can't even be useful at all ...

However I never recall seeing any group whose interest is collecting vintage
TV =)

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Cozac
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


Hello Bleus!

A stupid enquire!
Explain me very logically..THE WHY to have stacked so many Nak units?
On or two suffice!!!!

Thanks so much, and continue your happing listening

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com




From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 13 11:11:18 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:11:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com><003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<BAY18-DAV64opcnvy3J0002ffb1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV14gyAlXVp1000034bc@hotmail.com>

Alex,
it is something like love...
I have also some of them:
TT1000 (the oldest), BX1 (the smallest), RX505 (the most interesing), and a
ZX7 (the very first, and best for me).
Furthermore, I have one MTD3 still in its box, and an old, but rock solid
TD400. This TD400 works on my tabletop (not in the car...)

Should everything be logic?
Best to you all.

István
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


> Hello Bleus!
>
> A stupid enquire!
> Explain me very logically..THE WHY to have stacked so many Nak units?
> On or two suffice!!!!
>
> Thanks so much, and continue your happing listening
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Cc: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:16 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
>
>
> > I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you that
it
> > is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through the open
> > area on the door.  Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to always
> protect
> > in sensitive innards from dust, etc.  Also, if I'm not using the
NakStack
> > (my little term, a stack of  Nak gear from bottom to top consisting of:
> > 680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I place a
> nice
> > clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and whatever.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Bleus de Nakker
> > Madison, Wisc USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >    1. Re: zx-7 door (Salim Marzuki)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:30:36 +0700
> > > From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Message-ID: <001a01c44fbe$42dee160$4c299bca at aisha>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > >
> > > I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.  Considering
> the
> > > lamp is located above the gap then it won't serve quite well as
> > ventilation.
> > > Only zx and lx models have no plastic cover, the rest including latter
> > model
> > > dragon are sealed.  My suggestion is not to touch the bulb. =)
> > >
> > > Have a nice weekend !
> > > Salim SM
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tayfur Gunay
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > >
> > >
> > > The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp
causing
> > > heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
> > > Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when
> touched!!!)
> > > Tayfur
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Nelson
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > >
> > >
> > > That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to
BlueTak
> a
> > > piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old CD
jewel
> > > case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially spoil
> the
> > > value of the machine.)
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
> > > ***************************************
> > >
> >
> >
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Jun 13 00:13:48 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:13:48 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com><003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
	<BAY18-DAV64opcnvy3J0002ffb1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c450ca$88e4d310$c43e4254@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

happy!>?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


> Hello Bleus!
>
> A stupid enquire!
> Explain me very logically..THE WHY to have stacked so many Nak units?
> On or two suffice!!!!
>
> Thanks so much, and continue your happing listening
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Cc: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:16 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
>
>
> > I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you that
it
> > is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through the open
> > area on the door.  Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to always
> protect
> > in sensitive innards from dust, etc.  Also, if I'm not using the
NakStack
> > (my little term, a stack of  Nak gear from bottom to top consisting of:
> > 680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I place a
> nice
> > clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and whatever.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Bleus de Nakker
> > Madison, Wisc USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >    1. Re: zx-7 door (Salim Marzuki)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:30:36 +0700
> > > From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Message-ID: <001a01c44fbe$42dee160$4c299bca at aisha>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > >
> > > I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.  Considering
> the
> > > lamp is located above the gap then it won't serve quite well as
> > ventilation.
> > > Only zx and lx models have no plastic cover, the rest including latter
> > model
> > > dragon are sealed.  My suggestion is not to touch the bulb. =)
> > >
> > > Have a nice weekend !
> > > Salim SM
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tayfur Gunay
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > >
> > >
> > > The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp
causing
> > > heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
> > > Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when
> touched!!!)
> > > Tayfur
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Nelson
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > >
> > >
> > > That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to
BlueTak
> a
> > > piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old CD
jewel
> > > case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially spoil
> the
> > > value of the machine.)
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
> > > ***************************************
> > >
> >
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 13 13:00:37 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:00:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com><003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><BAY18-DAV64opcnvy3J0002ffb1@hotmail.com>
	<BAY22-DAV14gyAlXVp1000034bc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV378mGbGxMY00000dea@hotmail.com>

Dear Sandor,

OK...I agree, this week my eldest son gave me as my 60 years birthday,
retuning from US...a Nikon D-70 Kit digital camera, (I'm a jubilate
professional technical photographer), to my specific need...TO MUCH CAMERA!
However, today concerning Audio I still owning 5 tables!

If, you love it...receive my heart fully bless on your lovely Nak.
collection! Bravo!!!

Happy Listening!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sándor István" <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks


> Alex,
> it is something like love...
> I have also some of them:
> TT1000 (the oldest), BX1 (the smallest), RX505 (the most interesing), and
a
> ZX7 (the very first, and best for me).
> Furthermore, I have one MTD3 still in its box, and an old, but rock solid
> TD400. This TD400 works on my tabletop (not in the car...)
>
> Should everything be logic?
> Best to you all.
>
> István
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
>
>
> > Hello Bleus!
> >
> > A stupid enquire!
> > Explain me very logically..THE WHY to have stacked so many Nak units?
> > On or two suffice!!!!
> >
> > Thanks so much, and continue your happing listening
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Cc: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:16 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
> >
> >
> > > I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you
that
> it
> > > is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through the
open
> > > area on the door.  Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to always
> > protect
> > > in sensitive innards from dust, etc.  Also, if I'm not using the
> NakStack
> > > (my little term, a stack of  Nak gear from bottom to top consisting
of:
> > > 680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I place a
> > nice
> > > clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and
whatever.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Bleus de Nakker
> > > Madison, Wisc USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Today's Topics:
> > > >
> > > >    1. Re: zx-7 door (Salim Marzuki)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:30:36 +0700
> > > > From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Message-ID: <001a01c44fbe$42dee160$4c299bca at aisha>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.
Considering
> > the
> > > > lamp is located above the gap then it won't serve quite well as
> > > ventilation.
> > > > Only zx and lx models have no plastic cover, the rest including
latter
> > > model
> > > > dragon are sealed.  My suggestion is not to touch the bulb. =)
> > > >
> > > > Have a nice weekend !
> > > > Salim SM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tayfur Gunay
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp
> causing
> > > > heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
> > > > Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when
> > touched!!!)
> > > > Tayfur
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Nelson
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to
> BlueTak
> > a
> > > > piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old CD
> jewel
> > > > case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially
spoil
> > the
> > > > value of the machine.)
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
> > > > ***************************************
> > > >
> > >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 13 13:07:56 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:07:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com><003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><BAY18-DAV64opcnvy3J0002ffb1@hotmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV27OON9zMYs00030583@hotmail.com>

Thanks Salim, I hear that you live in a country that speak Spanish...?, as I
born in Lima/Peru!
I agree, I today have a "Collection"...of 5 tables, that is to much,
however..., each 3 month I rotate them for keeping running well!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


>
> Greetings Alex, at least now the word stupid is not in bold red font. =)
> Regarding the so many naks unit, it's only hobby and some of us consider
> naks as our collection while his/her primary listening source may come
from
> cd/lp/radio.  Some other hunt for vintage audio stuff and well, some
people
> even collect stamps that can't even be useful at all ...
>
> However I never recall seeing any group whose interest is collecting
vintage
> TV =)
>
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Cozac
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
>
>
> Hello Bleus!
>
> A stupid enquire!
> Explain me very logically..THE WHY to have stacked so many Nak units?
> On or two suffice!!!!
>
> Thanks so much, and continue your happing listening
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
>
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 13 13:09:23 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:09:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com><003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
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Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV63dsRQ4Dsd00000675@hotmail.com>

I really agree!, also my received Dragon..the window is for my "Taste"...to
small!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


>
> The nice part is that it never needs cleaning ! =)   I still prefer larger
> glass door of older models 680 etc though than latter mini viewing area.
> The one on zx is so small we can barely see the tape label.  Bleus, we
> almost have the same view in our room ... nakstack, cassette inside zx and
> plastic covered naks ... =)  The plastic part is ugly, but beats cleaning
a
> sloping 610 all the time.
>
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: KJ Bleus
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
>
>
> I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you that it
> is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through the open
> area on the door.  Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to always
protect
> in sensitive innards from dust, etc.  Also, if I'm not using the NakStack
> (my little term, a stack of  Nak gear from bottom to top consisting of:
> 680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I place a
nice
> clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and whatever.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bleus de Nakker
> Madison, Wisc USA
>
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jun 13 13:20:24 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:20:24 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV378mGbGxMY00000dea@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer>

I think with some older equipment there is also a beauty in the engineering
and quality of finish that is often hard to find in modern things.  The same
level of genius may be hidden within the plastic shell and computer chip but
it is not so tangible as a piece of solid metal that has been finely
crafted, that can be touched and seen.  For this reason my favourite record
deck is STILL my Lenco L78, although most of my playing is still done on the
Oracle Delphi.  However, whilst for holiday type snaps I may use an Olympus
Mju II, for "serious" pictures I'll dig out an ancient Pentax ES.  To be
sure, the old Pentax is not as technically advanced as most modern day SLRs
nor maybe as easy to use in some respects, but it FEELS good to use it.

Having said that, I actually prefer the "feel" of my ancient Aiwa cassette
decks even to my ZX-9, esp. the AD1800.  However, I would no more seriously
record music on them than I would take pictures with an all original 1930s
Leica.  Lovely piece of engineering but it just ain't up to doing the job.
not by today's (or even recent yesterdays!) standards.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alex Cozac
> Sent: 13 June 2004 12:01
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
>
>
> Dear Sandor,
>
> OK...I agree, this week my eldest son gave me as my 60 years birthday,
> retuning from US...a Nikon D-70 Kit digital camera, (I'm a jubilate
> professional technical photographer), to my specific need...TO
> MUCH CAMERA!
> However, today concerning Audio I still owning 5 tables!
>
> If, you love it...receive my heart fully bless on your lovely Nak.
> collection! Bravo!!!
>
> Happy Listening!
>
> ALEX!
>
>
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Jun 13 13:22:49 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:22:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10  (A Cozac)
Message-ID: <001001c45138$c2e51cf0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Hello Alex!!!

Sure, I have a special thing about my Nakamichi audio gear, I like to stack the equipment near me while I work on the computer in my studio.  Very functional for me to have all of my audio gear within an arms length.  So, I refer to my 'NakStack' with good intent, and perhaps you'll also consider stacking your gear for practical purposes.  Besides that, when one stacks several classic Nakamichi components together, it is an awesome sight to see!  Have a look at my NakStack by returning to the Nak Marathon Tape website, at the bottom of that page you will see what I mean (a photo image is often worth thoasands of words).  Enjoy.......

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

Best regards to my NakTalking buddies around the world,

Bleus



----- Original Message ----- 

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:45:58 +0200
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV64opcnvy3J0002ffb1 at hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello Bleus!

A stupid enquire!
Explain me very logically.. THE WHY to have stacked so many Nak units?
One or two suffice!!!!

Thanks so much, and continue your happing listening

Sincerely,

ALEX!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:16 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


> I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you that it
> is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through the open
> area on the door.  Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to always protect
> in sensitive innards from dust, etc.  Also, if I'm not using the NakStack
> (my little term, a stack of  Nak gear from bottom to top consisting of:
> 680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I place a
> nice clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and whatever.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bleus de Nakker
> Madison, Wisc USA
>
>
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Jun 13 13:54:56 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:54:56 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com>
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Message-ID: <003401c45153$e3a6a060$c5299bca@aisha>


Alex, that would be my neighbor naktalk fellow Mariano from the Philippines
!  Myself like many Indonesians are limited to little English and a few of
Dutch words.

For me it's becoming irrational hobby as I also have a hard time dusting the
20 nak decks here ... but even then it's very difficult to even let go my
LX5.  And worse I recently bought a samsung dvd player (how can they be so
cheap??) to play mp3 collection for many many hours of music.  To my
untrained ears the songs still sound good if compressed at 224kb/s.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Cozac
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


Thanks Salim, I hear that you live in a country that speak Spanish...?, as I
born in Lima/Peru!
I agree, I today have a "Collection"...of 5 tables, that is to much,
however..., each 3 month I rotate them for keeping running well!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salim Marzuki" smarzuki at indosat.net.id




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 13 19:02:55 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:02:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
References: <200406121001.i5CA1Hjs014262@zebra.naks.com><003501c45077$276446f0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6><BAY18-DAV64opcnvy3J0002ffb1@hotmail.com><002501c45111$32acdd20$07299bca@aisha><BAY18-DAV27OON9zMYs00030583@hotmail.com>
	<003401c45153$e3a6a060$c5299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV66dvQBJO6x0002ddf3@hotmail.com>

Lovely Salim,

No DVD till this moment, with so many Lp records, that I received from my
passed away friend (The ex-Dragon owner!), believe me, till I also will be
"There"...!, I really hope that I will hear all his lovely collection!, I'm
proud that I have 5 tables, in reserve, and one for use, each 3 month making
rotation for keep running them in perfectly conditions.

Happy listening, and all my best wishes!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10


>
> Alex, that would be my neighbor naktalk fellow Mariano from the
Philippines
> !  Myself like many Indonesians are limited to little English and a few of
> Dutch words.
>
> For me it's becoming irrational hobby as I also have a hard time dusting
the
> 20 nak decks here ... but even then it's very difficult to even let go my
> LX5.  And worse I recently bought a samsung dvd player (how can they be so
> cheap??) to play mp3 collection for many many hours of music.  To my
> untrained ears the songs still sound good if compressed at 224kb/s.
>
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Cozac
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 6:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
>
>
> Thanks Salim, I hear that you live in a country that speak Spanish...?, as
I
> born in Lima/Peru!
> I agree, I today have a "Collection"...of 5 tables, that is to much,
> however..., each 3 month I rotate them for keeping running well!
>
> Happy listening,
>
> ALEX!
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 13 19:19:13 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:19:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com>

Lovely Graham,

I see, that you are from UK, the Mom of my son's girlfriend, came from
Liverpool. only for your Knowledge, it's possible that as my son is a
Computer Programmer, both, will be live in UK, soon. He is waiting for some
reply for obtain a job there!.

Concerning my oldie tables, I own a Dual CS-721, Garrard 3001-Mk2/SME 3009/2
Improved, Pro-Ject 609, Thorens TD-160, and currently in use a Technics
SL-120-Rega RB-300-Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge, hooked to my passed away
gifted ARC-SP9/Mk 2 pre amp and Dynaco ST-70 also series 2 power + from our
home and with us since 1954 LBL "Hartsfield" system cabinet speaker, ONLY
one, YES...I listen Mono!!!. my Cd is a Philips CD-850 Mk=2 player and a
McIntosh (Also from him...!) MR-78 tuner, and of course the Dragon.

All the best,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks


> I think with some older equipment there is also a beauty in the
engineering
> and quality of finish that is often hard to find in modern things.  The
same
> level of genius may be hidden within the plastic shell and computer chip
but
> it is not so tangible as a piece of solid metal that has been finely
> crafted, that can be touched and seen.  For this reason my favourite
record
> deck is STILL my Lenco L78, although most of my playing is still done on
the
> Oracle Delphi.  However, whilst for holiday type snaps I may use an
Olympus
> Mju II, for "serious" pictures I'll dig out an ancient Pentax ES.  To be
> sure, the old Pentax is not as technically advanced as most modern day
SLRs
> nor maybe as easy to use in some respects, but it FEELS good to use it.
>
> Having said that, I actually prefer the "feel" of my ancient Aiwa cassette
> decks even to my ZX-9, esp. the AD1800.  However, I would no more
seriously
> record music on them than I would take pictures with an all original 1930s
> Leica.  Lovely piece of engineering but it just ain't up to doing the job.
> not by today's (or even recent yesterdays!) standards.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Alex Cozac
> > Sent: 13 June 2004 12:01
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
> >
> >
> > Dear Sandor,
> >
> > OK...I agree, this week my eldest son gave me as my 60 years birthday,
> > retuning from US...a Nikon D-70 Kit digital camera, (I'm a jubilate
> > professional technical photographer), to my specific need...TO
> > MUCH CAMERA!
> > However, today concerning Audio I still owning 5 tables!
> >
> > If, you love it...receive my heart fully bless on your lovely Nak.
> > collection! Bravo!!!
> >
> > Happy Listening!
> >
> > ALEX!
> >
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Jun 13 21:56:37 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:56:37 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer>
	<BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha>


Goodness, how lucky you are to get some of those collectibles from your
friend + thousands of LPs.  I believe it would be wise to stock up some
replacement stylus to hear all that !  Re: mono listening, you definitely
need your dragon to playback tapes, otherwise the highs will be easily
messed up.

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Cozac
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks


Lovely Graham,

I see, that you are from UK, the Mom of my son's girlfriend, came from
Liverpool. only for your Knowledge, it's possible that as my son is a
Computer Programmer, both, will be live in UK, soon. He is waiting for some
reply for obtain a job there!.

Concerning my oldie tables, I own a Dual CS-721, Garrard 3001-Mk2/SME 3009/2
Improved, Pro-Ject 609, Thorens TD-160, and currently in use a Technics
SL-120-Rega RB-300-Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge, hooked to my passed away
gifted ARC-SP9/Mk 2 pre amp and Dynaco ST-70 also series 2 power + from our
home and with us since 1954 LBL "Hartsfield" system cabinet speaker, ONLY
one, YES...I listen Mono!!!. my Cd is a Philips CD-850 Mk=2 player and a
McIntosh (Also from him...!) MR-78 tuner, and of course the Dragon.

All the best,

ALEX!
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" naktalk at naks.com




From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Jun 13 21:52:37 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:52:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
Message-ID: <20040613195235.HML14696.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Is there a cure for nakstack or is it a disease that cannot be controlled other than feeding it.

Currently, I only own one deck, a CR-7A but I did own a BX-300 and a AIWA AD-6400 in the past.

The BX-300 was sent early to its grave by yours truly.  See, I wanted to 'fix' it because it would stop either using the fast forward or reverse buttons but I never new about those pesky little wheels.  Well, after four days of 'fixing' it, I put all back together for the nth time.  I plugged the deck in, hit the power switch and it promptly smoked with a few sparkles for effect.

I recorded a lot with that BX-300 in the early 80's and I try and play those tapes on the CR-7A.  No comparison.  I read a lot on the CR-7A before I bought.  I'm glad I did.  I think my second deck is going to be the same.

Anyone out there own a 1000XL?

Roland



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jun 13 22:57:49 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:57:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <20040613195235.HML14696.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c45189$163bbe40$0a79893e@oemcomputer>

The cure is not easy ... but it's as Nancy Reagan used to say about dope
.... "Just say NO" !!  However, the withdrawal symptoms are bad ...
typically the withdrawing NakStacker comes out with the shakes, cold sweats
and a craving for anything with ther Nakamichi logo on it.  They often sign
up for eBay and track Nakamichi kit for sale and it takes all their strength
of will not to bid for them ...  The best way to tackle this is to bid
early, not late, which allows one to get the craving out of the system
whilst having a low probability of winning the auction.  However, that is
precisely how I won my ZX-9 - the guy who won it backed out of the sale and
the owner offered it to me ... However, I am now in remission, having sold
the CR-7.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: 13 June 2004 20:53
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
>
>
> Is there a cure for nakstack or is it a disease that cannot be
> controlled other than feeding it.
>
> Currently, I only own one deck, a CR-7A but I did own a BX-300
> and a AIWA AD-6400 in the past.
>
> The BX-300 was sent early to its grave by yours truly.  See, I
> wanted to 'fix' it because it would stop either using the fast
> forward or reverse buttons but I never new about those pesky
> little wheels.  Well, after four days of 'fixing' it, I put all
> back together for the nth time.  I plugged the deck in, hit the
> power switch and it promptly smoked with a few sparkles for effect.
>
> I recorded a lot with that BX-300 in the early 80's and I try and
> play those tapes on the CR-7A.  No comparison.  I read a lot on
> the CR-7A before I bought.  I'm glad I did.  I think my second
> deck is going to be the same.
>
> Anyone out there own a 1000XL?
>
> Roland
>
>
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Jun 14 05:14:16 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:14:16 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D549@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Alex, can you reply to me to my e-mail address. I am interested in your
opinion on the D-70. I am a Nikon owner of 2 cameras and I am thinking of
going digital.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 13 June 2004 9:01 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks


Dear Sandor,

OK...I agree, this week my eldest son gave me as my 60 years birthday,
retuning from US...a Nikon D-70 Kit digital camera, (I'm a jubilate
professional technical photographer), to my specific need...TO MUCH CAMERA!
However, today concerning Audio I still owning 5 tables!

If, you love it...receive my heart fully bless on your lovely Nak.
collection! Bravo!!!

Happy Listening!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sándor István" <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks


> Alex,
> it is something like love...
> I have also some of them:
> TT1000 (the oldest), BX1 (the smallest), RX505 (the most interesing), 
> and
a
> ZX7 (the very first, and best for me).
> Furthermore, I have one MTD3 still in its box, and an old, but rock 
> solid TD400. This TD400 works on my tabletop (not in the car...)
>
> Should everything be logic?
> Best to you all.
>
> István
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
>
>
> > Hello Bleus!
> >
> > A stupid enquire!
> > Explain me very logically..THE WHY to have stacked so many Nak 
> > units? On or two suffice!!!!
> >
> > Thanks so much, and continue your happing listening
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Cc: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:16 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
> >
> >
> > > I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you
that
> it
> > > is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through 
> > > the
open
> > > area on the door.  Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to 
> > > always
> > protect
> > > in sensitive innards from dust, etc.  Also, if I'm not using the
> NakStack
> > > (my little term, a stack of  Nak gear from bottom to top 
> > > consisting
of:
> > > 680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I 
> > > place a
> > nice
> > > clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and
whatever.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Bleus de Nakker
> > > Madison, Wisc USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Today's Topics:
> > > >
> > > >    1. Re: zx-7 door (Salim Marzuki)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:30:36 +0700
> > > > From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Message-ID: <001a01c44fbe$42dee160$4c299bca at aisha>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.
Considering
> > the
> > > > lamp is located above the gap then it won't serve quite well as
> > > ventilation.
> > > > Only zx and lx models have no plastic cover, the rest including
latter
> > > model
> > > > dragon are sealed.  My suggestion is not to touch the bulb. =)
> > > >
> > > > Have a nice weekend !
> > > > Salim SM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tayfur Gunay
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp
> causing
> > > > heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
> > > > Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when
> > touched!!!)
> > > > Tayfur
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Nelson
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's the way they come.  Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to
> BlueTak
> > a
> > > > piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old 
> > > > CD
> jewel
> > > > case.  (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially
spoil
> > the
> > > > value of the machine.)
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Jun 14 05:19:11 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:19:11 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Jammed cassette
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D54A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Gregg. I had the same problem on my 480 many years ago. What I did was
remove the top cover of the unit (power removed of course) and carefully
with my fingers moved the flywheel in the opposite direction of the tape
path. It sounds like the tape got stuck around the capstans and wound itself
around them. While you are at it carefully move the cam motor back to the
stop position so that there is no damage to the heads or pinch rollers. This
will take a little bit of time but you will get that tape out.

	Let me know how you go.

	Cheers,

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Kalba [mailto:g_kalba at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 6:28 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Jammed cassette


I've got a CR-2A with a cassette jammed in the well.  Tape transport is in 
the 'play' position, so I can't simply press the door release to remove the 
cassette.  I can see some tape spooled out from the cassette, too.  It's a 
mess.

I was wondering if this was an easy problem to fix - by myself - or if I 
needed to send it to a professional?

Any advice appreciated!

Thanks,
Gregg

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From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Sun Jun 13 22:37:47 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:37:47 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Remote
References: <000a01c44ef6$8ffc3b50$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <004401c45186$49dc0500$f00198de@tec>

Hi Robert

You mention obtaining parts from B&W. Can you email me their contact details please. I would like to have a spare rec/play head for my 600.

Regards

Donald Sangster (New Zealand)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:23 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Remote


  Hi Roland,

  The RM-200 will definitely operate the CR-7s basic transport functions, but of course, it is wired.  The RM-7C gives you the basic transport functions plus the azimuth adjustment, and it is infrared rather than wired.  I don't have an RM-5, but the CR-7 owners manual lists it as an option to the RM-7C.

  I'm not sure if either Jeff at ESL or B&W in England has any of these for sale, but I got an RM-7C from Jeff at the time he re-built my CR-7A, and I got a brand new remote for my TA-4A receiver from B&W earlier this year.

  Robert Kent


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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Mon Jun 14 07:45:30 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 01:45:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door
Message-ID: <200406140145_MC3-1-849A-DE34@compuserve.com>

Salim,
I actually meant the lamp heat is a general problem for any cassette-deck
having it close to the idler-tire. I particularly had the cr-7 in mind when
writing this, I don't have a zx-7. All the Akai's I own have the same
problem as well.

_Fuad


Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
>

Hi Fuad,

I agree with the heat generated and that it's bad for cassette shell ...
but
I think it's a bit far away from the rubber idler to cause any real damage.
The ones that fail miserably are from BX models which do not use any lamp
at
all.  While it's unfair to compare BX smaller idler size, I experienced
only
1 out of maybe 15 old naks that is totally useless hard as rock idler - and
it's from ancient 482, which again did not use lamp in the well.  I think
age has more to do with it.

I only disagree that Nak cleverly left the cassette cover open as a
ventilation purpose - as most of their decks are already very hot on the
inside and Nak never give any real thought to help dissipate the heat more
effectively.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Compudude
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door


Hi Salim,

The gap on the cassette door maybe just cosmetic on some models, but I
agree with Tayfur on the heat generated by the lamp. I believe, this lamp
is the major source for early wearing/hardening of the idler-tire in the
mechanism. If you leave the deck running for a long time, even without
playing a tape in it, the heat emitted from the lamp keeps baking the idler
wheel and hardens the plastic. The gap on the door will definitely help
with ventilation especially if there is no cassette in it.

_Fuad


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 14 10:06:31 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:06:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer><BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com>
	<001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV581fii6jss000315ca@hotmail.com>

Hi Salim,

Yes I already have 5 new stylus, for my cartridges! So...I hope that before
I will pass away, I will be able to listen such quantity of records, NO...I
disagree with you, with the Dragon the Treble sounds amazing! Depends NOT
only from the source (Dragon), but also from the Control Unit in my case;
this amazing Audio Research SP-9 series 2 unit.

Cheers,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks


>
> Goodness, how lucky you are to get some of those collectibles from your
> friend + thousands of LPs.  I believe it would be wise to stock up some
> replacement stylus to hear all that !  Re: mono listening, you definitely
> need your dragon to playback tapes, otherwise the highs will be easily
> messed up.
>
> Cheers,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Cozac
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
>
>
> Lovely Graham,
>
> I see, that you are from UK, the Mom of my son's girlfriend, came from
> Liverpool. only for your Knowledge, it's possible that as my son is a
> Computer Programmer, both, will be live in UK, soon. He is waiting for
some
> reply for obtain a job there!.
>
> Concerning my oldie tables, I own a Dual CS-721, Garrard 3001-Mk2/SME
3009/2
> Improved, Pro-Ject 609, Thorens TD-160, and currently in use a Technics
> SL-120-Rega RB-300-Ortofon Jubilee Mc cartridge, hooked to my passed away
> gifted ARC-SP9/Mk 2 pre amp and Dynaco ST-70 also series 2 power + from
our
> home and with us since 1954 LBL "Hartsfield" system cabinet speaker, ONLY
> one, YES...I listen Mono!!!. my Cd is a Philips CD-850 Mk=2 player and a
> McIntosh (Also from him...!) MR-78 tuner, and of course the Dragon.
>
> All the best,
>
> ALEX!
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From ti at amb.org  Mon Jun 14 10:02:39 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 01:02:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Remote
In-Reply-To: <004401c45186$49dc0500$f00198de@tec> from "Donald Sangster" at
	Jun 14, 2004 08:37:47 AM
Message-ID: <200406140802.IAA06839@amb.org>

Donald Sangster writes:
> You mention obtaining parts from B&W. Can you email me their contact =
> details please. I would like to have a spare rec/play head for my 600.

Try http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htm
for contact information.

-Ti
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Mon Jun 14 19:30:14 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:30:14 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Stak
Message-ID: <23795493@rosencrantz.reed.edu>

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From roleo at telus.net  Mon Jun 14 17:01:47 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:01:47 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer><BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com><001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha>
	<BAY18-DAV581fii6jss000315ca@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c45220$83ddaa70$6401a8c0@desktop>

I am considering getting a Nakamichi ST-7 Stereo Tuner and CA-7a Preamp, (upgrading from my RE-1
Receiver).

Has anyone here used either of these, and is the quality as good as a say.....a high end Pioneer or
Marantz receiver from the late 1970's?

I particularly am interested in the overall quietness of the preamp, as well as the phono stage,
plus the sound quality of the FM.

What would you recommend for a power amp to go with these?

Thanx,
Roland



From matt_mccaslin at eptek.com  Mon Jun 14 18:32:53 2004
From: matt_mccaslin at eptek.com (Matt McCaslin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:32:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] parts question 480Z
Message-ID: <000001c4522d$3ec1f100$6300a8c0@eptek.com>

Hello,

 

I'm a new member to the board.  Thanks for having a detailed place to search
for help with some quality equipment!!

 

I am trying to repair a couple of decks for my grandfather.  I already got a
482Z back in good condition in all aspects. 

 

I have a 480Z, however, that needs more help.  I have found replacements for
all the rubber except the pinch rollers.  Is there a source I am missing??

 

They seem to be small in size   11mm OD x 6.8mm H x 2mm ID.   Any help on
this will be greatly appreciated.  

 

I am also interested in service manuals for 482Z and 480Z.

 

Thanks again very much!

 

_______________________

Matt McCaslin

Director of Engineering

Enhanced Production Technologies, Inc.

(512) 759-2009 ext 203

 

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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Jun 14 20:23:48 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:23:48 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door
References: <200406140145_MC3-1-849A-DE34@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <000401c4523c$bd2bdba0$fb299bca@aisha>


Hi Fuad,

If I remember correctly CR7's rubber idler would be the worst affected by
the heat since there's a bulb sitting right next to it !  Can't imagine why
Nak didn't think about the heat.  Now I understand why my akai F90 rubber
was also very brittle.  Lower (latter ?) CR3/4 use LED for backlight
illumination.  In the case of ZX the rubber idler is located behind at least
2 steel plates away from the bulb.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Compudude
To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: [naktalk] zx-7 door


Salim,
I actually meant the lamp heat is a general problem for any cassette-deck
having it close to the idler-tire. I particularly had the cr-7 in mind when
writing this, I don't have a zx-7. All the Akai's I own have the same
problem as well.

_Fuad





From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Jun 14 21:42:49 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:42:49 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer>
	<BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com>
	<001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha>
	<BAY18-DAV581fii6jss000315ca@hotmail.com>
	<000701c45220$83ddaa70$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <002901c45247$e2db6040$fb299bca@aisha>


Stephen really hated CA7 saying that it might wake up neighborhood dogs
with its screechy sound ....  I'll never forget that clear description.  =)

Anyway I use both RE-1 and ST-7, and the tuner section is no comparison.  I
don't know if my RE tuner needs some realignment but it compares really bad
against other standalone FM units.  I may have a hard time comparing cd
players - but for tuners it's almost like comparing decks, to me each have
distinct sound.  Imo, the best part of RE-1 is its power amp section, I did
try cross connection with my old adcom gfp-1a + gfa-2 and found that RE's
preamp side slightly degrade the sound when connected to gfa amp, relative
to the other combination of adcom pre + RE-1 amp.

Back to CA7 ... I'm 90% sure it's better than blue marantz receiver.  Even
my onkyo preamp (which Stephen incidentally also hated =) gives better sound
than 2325's pre section !  Granted, the 2325 is not in its best condition,
where I initially thought all the crackle noise was coming from power amp.
However, the 2325 amp was very quiet when connected to onkyo pre.

Apart from that, to my ear CA7 sounds quite neutral (tone circuit bypassed)
and as good, if not better, compared to onkyo pre, apt holman and also adcom
555ii that I really hesitate to sell.  Build quality has that ridiculous Nak
overkill using two toroids for totally separate dual mono pre.  Loved its
remote capability, esp to control old nak decks.  Phono pre was quiet and
good enough, plus you have that cartridge loading switch.  Highly
recommended.  My biggest complaint is the lack of headphone output !  If you
can't find a matching PA amp, I tried aragon 8002 with even better results.
Not sure what would be the perfect amp match, but even with a lowly adcom
535 the music is enjoyable.  I would definitely use CA with RE's amp section
while waiting for a nice PA5/7ii to show up.

Although ST7 is not my favorite tuner, it sounds very good and has that
wonderful rotary dial feel, very unlike kenwood rotary knob.

Hope that helps ... and you're not bored =)
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Roland Alford
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:01 PM
Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...


I am considering getting a Nakamichi ST-7 Stereo Tuner and CA-7a Preamp,
(upgrading from my RE-1
Receiver).

Has anyone here used either of these, and is the quality as good as a
say.....a high end Pioneer or
Marantz receiver from the late 1970's?

I particularly am interested in the overall quietness of the preamp, as well
as the phono stage,
plus the sound quality of the FM.

What would you recommend for a power amp to go with these?

Thanx,
Roland







From rjlbjk at cox.net  Mon Jun 14 21:11:54 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:11:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
Message-ID: <20040614191152.LUYD3786.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Has anyone had the pleasure of using a Revox B215?  I've had people who have used one tell me that it favors comparable to the CR-7, that is, it records just as well and doesn't have the belt/roller problems that will eventually plague all Naks.

Thoughts anyone?

Roland



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 23:38:21 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:38:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
In-Reply-To: <20040614191152.LUYD3786.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <005001c45257$ea28eec0$52de883e@oemcomputer>

Some would argue that it RECORDS better than a CR7 - the response is dead
flat.  However, playback may not be better.   I recall Carlos used to record
using his B215 and replay using his Dragon.  You still doing that, Carlos?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: 14 June 2004 20:12
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
>
>
> Has anyone had the pleasure of using a Revox B215?  I've had
> people who have used one tell me that it favors comparable to the
> CR-7, that is, it records just as well and doesn't have the
> belt/roller problems that will eventually plague all Naks.
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
> Roland
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jun 15 00:06:00 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:06:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT:   STEPHEN SANK
In-Reply-To: <002901c45247$e2db6040$fb299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <005301c4525b$c6c02800$52de883e@oemcomputer>

Stephen

I am not sure I still have the correct e-mail address for you as I have
written a several times but not received an acknowledgement.   I am seeking
your help with the SONY MDP-510 you sold me.  The inherited fault appears to
have developed to the extent that the drawer now will not open at all as it
continually searchers for the disc that it thinks is in the drawer.
Powering off and on does not help.

I have an engineer here who can help if I can get my hands on the schematic.
As you worked on this one, and others, do you have a schematic that I can
have/borrow??

Cheers

Graham

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jun 15 04:28:08 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:28:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
References: <005001c45257$ea28eec0$52de883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002101c45280$663d6e50$19773242@CopyTech>

Yes. I also prefer the Tandberg 3014 A for recording but not for playback.
The Dragon or any other NAK with manual azymuth adj. tends to offer more
flexibility and better "highs" than its european counterparts. For me, I
prefer to have the best of both worlds and I simply love to have the
commodity of playing a C-100 cassette non stop with my Dragon.

One big advantage, though, that these machines has over the Nak, is that no
matter where you playback the cassettes recorded in a Revox or Tandberg,
sounds terrific anywhere else (as long as they are properly calibrated). It
amaze me everytime. With the NAKs, well, it's better to stay within Nak
territory if you recorded in it.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215


> Some would argue that it RECORDS better than a CR7 - the response is dead
> flat.  However, playback may not be better.   I recall Carlos used to
record
> using his B215 and replay using his Dragon.  You still doing that, Carlos?
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > Sent: 14 June 2004 20:12
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
> >
> >
> > Has anyone had the pleasure of using a Revox B215?  I've had
> > people who have used one tell me that it favors comparable to the
> > CR-7, that is, it records just as well and doesn't have the
> > belt/roller problems that will eventually plague all Naks.
> >
> > Thoughts anyone?
> >
> > Roland
> >
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Jun 15 04:46:07 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:46:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
References: <005001c45257$ea28eec0$52de883e@oemcomputer>
	<002101c45280$663d6e50$19773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <002501c45282$e9837870$d76423c8@g8nsv>

Any preference between teh Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 Carlos????

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215


> Yes. I also prefer the Tandberg 3014 A for recording but not for playback.
> The Dragon or any other NAK with manual azymuth adj. tends to offer more
> flexibility and better "highs" than its european counterparts. For me, I
> prefer to have the best of both worlds and I simply love to have the
> commodity of playing a C-100 cassette non stop with my Dragon.
>
> One big advantage, though, that these machines has over the Nak, is that
no
> matter where you playback the cassettes recorded in a Revox or Tandberg,
> sounds terrific anywhere else (as long as they are properly calibrated).
It
> amaze me everytime. With the NAKs, well, it's better to stay within Nak
> territory if you recorded in it.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
>
>
> > Some would argue that it RECORDS better than a CR7 - the response is
dead
> > flat.  However, playback may not be better.   I recall Carlos used to
> record
> > using his B215 and replay using his Dragon.  You still doing that,
Carlos?
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > > Sent: 14 June 2004 20:12
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anyone had the pleasure of using a Revox B215?  I've had
> > > people who have used one tell me that it favors comparable to the
> > > CR-7, that is, it records just as well and doesn't have the
> > > belt/roller problems that will eventually plague all Naks.
> > >
> > > Thoughts anyone?
> > >
> > > Roland
> > >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Jun 15 06:00:07 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:00:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] WEIGHT  
Message-ID: <3180-40CE7447-5829@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net>

HI,,i just weighed my 700 tri-tracer;30 pounds.   rx-202;21 pounds.thats
50 pounds of Nak,and hopefully i will be gaining some weight!

thank you very much,
gerald



From roleo at telus.net  Mon Jun 14 22:14:00 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:14:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer><BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com><001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha><BAY18-DAV581fii6jss000315ca@hotmail.com><000701c45220$83ddaa70$6401a8c0@desktop>
	<002901c45247$e2db6040$fb299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <000501c4524c$21b727a0$6401a8c0@desktop>

Thanx Salim!!

That's very helpful.

By the way can older cassette decks plug directly into the back of the CA-7 (via DIN type plugs)
for remote capability?

-- Roland

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...


>
> Stephen really hated CA7 saying that it might wake up neighborhood dogs
> with its screechy sound ....  I'll never forget that clear description.  =)
>
> Anyway I use both RE-1 and ST-7, and the tuner section is no comparison.  I
> don't know if my RE tuner needs some realignment but it compares really bad
> against other standalone FM units.  I may have a hard time comparing cd
> players - but for tuners it's almost like comparing decks, to me each have
> distinct sound.  Imo, the best part of RE-1 is its power amp section, I did
> try cross connection with my old adcom gfp-1a + gfa-2 and found that RE's
> preamp side slightly degrade the sound when connected to gfa amp, relative
> to the other combination of adcom pre + RE-1 amp.
>
> Back to CA7 ... I'm 90% sure it's better than blue marantz receiver.  Even
> my onkyo preamp (which Stephen incidentally also hated =) gives better sound
> than 2325's pre section !  Granted, the 2325 is not in its best condition,
> where I initially thought all the crackle noise was coming from power amp.
> However, the 2325 amp was very quiet when connected to onkyo pre.
>
> Apart from that, to my ear CA7 sounds quite neutral (tone circuit bypassed)
> and as good, if not better, compared to onkyo pre, apt holman and also adcom
> 555ii that I really hesitate to sell.  Build quality has that ridiculous Nak
> overkill using two toroids for totally separate dual mono pre.  Loved its
> remote capability, esp to control old nak decks.  Phono pre was quiet and
> good enough, plus you have that cartridge loading switch.  Highly
> recommended.  My biggest complaint is the lack of headphone output !  If you
> can't find a matching PA amp, I tried aragon 8002 with even better results.
> Not sure what would be the perfect amp match, but even with a lowly adcom
> 535 the music is enjoyable.  I would definitely use CA with RE's amp section
> while waiting for a nice PA5/7ii to show up.
>
> Although ST7 is not my favorite tuner, it sounds very good and has that
> wonderful rotary dial feel, very unlike kenwood rotary knob.
>
> Hope that helps ... and you're not bored =)
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roland Alford
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:01 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
>
>
> I am considering getting a Nakamichi ST-7 Stereo Tuner and CA-7a Preamp,
> (upgrading from my RE-1
> Receiver).
>
> Has anyone here used either of these, and is the quality as good as a
> say.....a high end Pioneer or
> Marantz receiver from the late 1970's?
>
> I particularly am interested in the overall quietness of the preamp, as well
> as the phono stage,
> plus the sound quality of the FM.
>
> What would you recommend for a power amp to go with these?
>
> Thanx,
> Roland
>
>
>
>
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Jun 14 22:30:11 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:30:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
References: <20040614191152.LUYD3786.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <003501c4524e$64cd2830$74b50642@johnnyrotten>

I have two B215's, both Sanktified and both wonderful machines with parts 
still very much available. I wouldn't go back to Naks. I've had four, 600, 
700, 700 II and ZXL and always felt that they operated at their limits. 
Also, the ZXL was repaired twice but any shipping of this delicate machine 
made it unusable. Not so the ReVox's as they appear much more stable and 
don't need that tweaking that Naks. appear to require. Remember also that 
some Nak. parts are as rare as hen's teeth! Buyer beware!

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215


> Has anyone had the pleasure of using a Revox B215?  I've had people who 
> have used one tell me that it favors comparable to the CR-7, that is, it 
> records just as well and doesn't have the belt/roller problems that will 
> eventually plague all Naks.
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
> Roland
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Jun 15 06:03:04 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 0:03:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] WEIGHT
Message-ID: <20040615040302.SAJA26998.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Very good Jerry, now if you lived in Europe, that would be how many grams?


> 
> From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> Date: 2004/06/15 Tue AM 12:00:07 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] WEIGHT
> 
> HI,,i just weighed my 700 tri-tracer;30 pounds.   rx-202;21 pounds.thats
> 50 pounds of Nak,and hopefully i will be gaining some weight!
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Jun 15 12:26:33 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:26:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] weight
Message-ID: <26440-40CECED9-4842@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>

sorry,its the rx-303 that is 21 pounds.i dont know how many liters that
would be,i don't have a perversion chart

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Jun 15 12:36:50 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:36:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] weight
Message-ID: <26443-40CED142-3747@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>

ok,i finally figured it out.50 pounds would be about 1/4 of a graham.
:-]

thank you very much,
gerald



From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Tue Jun 15 13:05:05 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:05:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer>
	<BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com>
	<001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha>
	<BAY18-DAV581fii6jss000315ca@hotmail.com>
	<000701c45220$83ddaa70$6401a8c0@desktop>
	<002901c45247$e2db6040$fb299bca@aisha>
	<000501c4524c$21b727a0$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <001901c452c8$9dd90980$0e92fea9@wdrewes>

If you supply us with a fax no (off line)I can send you a 6page
compatability brochure for remote control through or by means of the remotes
of the various Amp types eg TAseries,CA7,  AMP 1 series to the various
'old'decks right up to MR1 types(Including the OMS-7 and the more modern CDP
CD players as well ).As well the Nak adapters required(RC series) with
different room activation capabilities(.RS5 and RS7 off the CA 7)
The practical side of the CA 7 is unbelievable for remote unit switching
either direct or through the RC adapters (and RS adapters)
regards
walter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland Alford" <roleo at telus.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...


> Thanx Salim!!
>
> That's very helpful.
>
> By the way can older cassette decks plug directly into the back of the
CA-7 (via DIN type plugs)
> for remote capability?
>
> -- Roland
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
>
>
> >
> > Stephen really hated CA7 saying that it might wake up neighborhood dogs
> > with its screechy sound ....  I'll never forget that clear description.
=)
> >
> > Anyway I use both RE-1 and ST-7, and the tuner section is no comparison.
I
> > don't know if my RE tuner needs some realignment but it compares really
bad
> > against other standalone FM units.  I may have a hard time comparing cd
> > players - but for tuners it's almost like comparing decks, to me each
have
> > distinct sound.  Imo, the best part of RE-1 is its power amp section, I
did
> > try cross connection with my old adcom gfp-1a + gfa-2 and found that
RE's
> > preamp side slightly degrade the sound when connected to gfa amp,
relative
> > to the other combination of adcom pre + RE-1 amp.
> >
> > Back to CA7 ... I'm 90% sure it's better than blue marantz receiver.
Even
> > my onkyo preamp (which Stephen incidentally also hated =) gives better
sound
> > than 2325's pre section !  Granted, the 2325 is not in its best
condition,
> > where I initially thought all the crackle noise was coming from power
amp.
> > However, the 2325 amp was very quiet when connected to onkyo pre.
> >
> > Apart from that, to my ear CA7 sounds quite neutral (tone circuit
bypassed)
> > and as good, if not better, compared to onkyo pre, apt holman and also
adcom
> > 555ii that I really hesitate to sell.  Build quality has that ridiculous
Nak
> > overkill using two toroids for totally separate dual mono pre.  Loved
its
> > remote capability, esp to control old nak decks.  Phono pre was quiet
and
> > good enough, plus you have that cartridge loading switch.  Highly
> > recommended.  My biggest complaint is the lack of headphone output !  If
you
> > can't find a matching PA amp, I tried aragon 8002 with even better
results.
> > Not sure what would be the perfect amp match, but even with a lowly
adcom
> > 535 the music is enjoyable.  I would definitely use CA with RE's amp
section
> > while waiting for a nice PA5/7ii to show up.
> >
> > Although ST7 is not my favorite tuner, it sounds very good and has that
> > wonderful rotary dial feel, very unlike kenwood rotary knob.
> >
> > Hope that helps ... and you're not bored =)
> > Salim SM
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roland Alford
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:01 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
> >
> >
> > I am considering getting a Nakamichi ST-7 Stereo Tuner and CA-7a Preamp,
> > (upgrading from my RE-1
> > Receiver).
> >
> > Has anyone here used either of these, and is the quality as good as a
> > say.....a high end Pioneer or
> > Marantz receiver from the late 1970's?
> >
> > I particularly am interested in the overall quietness of the preamp, as
well
> > as the phono stage,
> > plus the sound quality of the FM.
> >
> > What would you recommend for a power amp to go with these?
> >
> > Thanx,
> > Roland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Tue Jun 15 13:07:52 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:07:52 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
References: <20040614191152.LUYD3786.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
	<003501c4524e$64cd2830$74b50642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <002101c452c9$016029c0$0e92fea9@wdrewes>

 You should have tried the more modern Dragon and CR7.Then we'll be talking!
Walter
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215


> I have two B215's, both Sanktified and both wonderful machines with parts
> still very much available. I wouldn't go back to Naks. I've had four, 600,
> 700, 700 II and ZXL and always felt that they operated at their limits.
> Also, the ZXL was repaired twice but any shipping of this delicate machine
> made it unusable. Not so the ReVox's as they appear much more stable and
> don't need that tweaking that Naks. appear to require. Remember also that
> some Nak. parts are as rare as hen's teeth! Buyer beware!
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 3:11 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
>
>
> > Has anyone had the pleasure of using a Revox B215?  I've had people who
> > have used one tell me that it favors comparable to the CR-7, that is, it
> > records just as well and doesn't have the belt/roller problems that will
> > eventually plague all Naks.
> >
> > Thoughts anyone?
> >
> > Roland
> >
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Jun 15 14:09:25 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:09:25 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer>
	<BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com>
	<001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha>
	<BAY18-DAV581fii6jss000315ca@hotmail.com>
	<000701c45220$83ddaa70$6401a8c0@desktop>
	<002901c45247$e2db6040$fb299bca@aisha>
	<000501c4524c$21b727a0$6401a8c0@desktop>
	<001901c452c8$9dd90980$0e92fea9@wdrewes>
Message-ID: <001f01c452d1$9a77c700$11299bca@aisha>


Thanks Walter !!  In short, almost every Nak deck prior to the newer
Cassette Deck 1 and DR series are controllable by the preamp.  The CA7
remote even has 'azimuth' buttons for CR7 as well as reverse button for
Dragon, and it allows both deck to be connected at the same time  =).

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: wme drewes
To: Roland Alford ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...


If you supply us with a fax no (off line)I can send you a 6page
compatability brochure for remote control through or by means of the remotes
of the various Amp types eg TAseries,CA7,  AMP 1 series to the various
'old'decks right up to MR1 types(Including the OMS-7 and the more modern CDP
CD players as well ).As well the Nak adapters required(RC series) with
different room activation capabilities(.RS5 and RS7 off the CA 7)
The practical side of the CA 7 is unbelievable for remote unit switching
either direct or through the RC adapters (and RS adapters)
regards
walter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland Alford" <roleo at telus.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...


> Thanx Salim!!
>
> That's very helpful.
>
> By the way can older cassette decks plug directly into the back of the
CA-7 (via DIN type plugs)
> for remote capability?
>
> -- Roland




From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jun 15 19:02:50 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:02:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
References: <005001c45257$ea28eec0$52de883e@oemcomputer><002101c45280$663d6e50$19773242@CopyTech>
	<002501c45282$e9837870$d76423c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <001e01c452fa$98121500$4d773242@CopyTech>

I can happily live with either one, Isy. The Tandberg tends to be more
reliable and the recording azymuth adj. helps a lot. Both have parts and
service available and the 3014-A can still be purchase on special order
basis at $4,000 !!!!!!!

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215


> Any preference between teh Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 Carlos????
>
> Isy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
>
>
> > Yes. I also prefer the Tandberg 3014 A for recording but not for
playback.
> > The Dragon or any other NAK with manual azymuth adj. tends to offer more
> > flexibility and better "highs" than its european counterparts. For me, I
> > prefer to have the best of both worlds and I simply love to have the
> > commodity of playing a C-100 cassette non stop with my Dragon.
> >
> > One big advantage, though, that these machines has over the Nak, is that
> no
> > matter where you playback the cassettes recorded in a Revox or Tandberg,
> > sounds terrific anywhere else (as long as they are properly calibrated).
> It
> > amaze me everytime. With the NAKs, well, it's better to stay within Nak
> > territory if you recorded in it.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
> >
> >
> > > Some would argue that it RECORDS better than a CR7 - the response is
> dead
> > > flat.  However, playback may not be better.   I recall Carlos used to
> > record
> > > using his B215 and replay using his Dragon.  You still doing that,
> Carlos?
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > > > Sent: 14 June 2004 20:12
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone had the pleasure of using a Revox B215?  I've had
> > > > people who have used one tell me that it favors comparable to the
> > > > CR-7, that is, it records just as well and doesn't have the
> > > > belt/roller problems that will eventually plague all Naks.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Roland
> > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jun 15 19:05:23 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:05:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
References: <20040614191152.LUYD3786.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
	<003501c4524e$64cd2830$74b50642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <002f01c452fa$f2cf25a0$4d773242@CopyTech>

Unfortunately for NAK, I agree 100% with John here. Most of you know that I
used to have over 20 decks in my collection, now down to 3: 2 Revoxes (B 215
& B 710 II) and one Dragon. That's it. 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL ??? Forget it
man ! Big headaches in a can.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215


> I have two B215's, both Sanktified and both wonderful machines with parts
> still very much available. I wouldn't go back to Naks. I've had four, 600,
> 700, 700 II and ZXL and always felt that they operated at their limits.
> Also, the ZXL was repaired twice but any shipping of this delicate machine
> made it unusable. Not so the ReVox's as they appear much more stable and
> don't need that tweaking that Naks. appear to require. Remember also that
> some Nak. parts are as rare as hen's teeth! Buyer beware!
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 3:11 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs. Revox B215
>
>
> > Has anyone had the pleasure of using a Revox B215?  I've had people who
> > have used one tell me that it favors comparable to the CR-7, that is, it
> > records just as well and doesn't have the belt/roller problems that will
> > eventually plague all Naks.
> >
> > Thoughts anyone?
> >
> > Roland
> >
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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Jun 15 20:42:53 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:42:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Test unit
Message-ID: <20040615184253.GA4887@peromarta.org>

Dear friends,

I am continuing to service my old 1000XZL, and as you can easily forsee
... need a M-9057 Test unit. Any hint on where I can get one? Any one built it
himself ? If not, I will start my drawing ....



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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 15 22:15:23 2004
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (mark8559 at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:15:23 PDT
Subject: [naktalk] Interesting item on eBay web site item# 5704221732:
	Nakamichi Dragon "Near Mint"
Message-ID: <200406152015.i5FKFNk2012349@mx42.sjc.ebay.com>

Guess the Dragon cassette deck is once again fetching big bucks.

Title of item:       Nakamichi Dragon "Near Mint"
Seller:              barter_1
Starts:              Jun-10-04 13:48:12 PDT
Ends:                Jun-15-04 13:48:12 PDT
Price:               Currently $1,000.00

To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=777701&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D5704221732%26category%3D64598%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1


Item Description:
You are bidding on a beautifull Nakamichi Dragon cassette deck.&nbsp; If you are looking to buy one of these, then you already know that its probably the finest tape deck ever made!&nbsp; Not only is this deck perfect for recording but its also the best at play back due to the azimuth correction capabilities.&nbsp; I am the second owner of this deck.&nbsp; The person I bought it from didnt use it much and since I have had it, Its been babied.&nbsp; I am meticulous about cleaning the tape transport.&nbsp; The pics dont do it justice, the deck is just about flawless "when it was in my stereo cabinet, nothing was on top of it so as not to scratch it.&nbsp; Good luck bidding!&nbsp; The deck comes with the original cleaning kit, soft cloth that says Nakamichi on it, and the original patch cords.&nbsp; These items have never been used.
Buyer pays shipping costs and insurance is required.&nbsp; I will not be responsable for the item once its been shipped.&nbsp; 
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
&nbsp;

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jun 16 00:08:59 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:08:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] weight
In-Reply-To: <26443-40CED142-3747@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <003001c45325$5baa4f80$09c887d9@oemcomputer>

Hey!  Who told you how much I weigh?  That's about right ...

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 15 June 2004 11:37
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] weight
>
>
> ok,i finally figured it out.50 pounds would be about 1/4 of a graham.
> :-]
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jun 16 09:29:55 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:29:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT:   STEPHEN SANK
In-Reply-To: <005301c4525b$c6c02800$52de883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000c01c45373$b849b840$2bd94c51@oemcomputer>

No reply!  I guess Stephen's not monitoring the NakList messages at the
moment.

Does anyone else have an e-mail for him?  The last I had was
bk11 at thuntek.net but doesn't seem to be working for me.

Cheers

Graham

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> Behalf Of Nelson
> Sent: 14 June 2004 23:06
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] OT: STEPHEN SANK
>
>
> Stephen
>
> I am not sure I still have the correct e-mail address for you as I have
> written a several times but not received an acknowledgement.   I
> am seeking
> your help with the SONY MDP-510 you sold me.  The inherited fault
> appears to
> have developed to the extent that the drawer now will not open at
> all as it
> continually searchers for the disc that it thinks is in the drawer.
> Powering off and on does not help.
>
> I have an engineer here who can help if I can get my hands on the
> schematic.
> As you worked on this one, and others, do you have a schematic that I can
> have/borrow??
>
> Cheers
>
> Graham
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jun 16 20:53:59 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:53:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OT:   STEPHEN SANK
In-Reply-To: <000c01c45373$b849b840$2bd94c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000f01c453d3$486ca0e0$6962893e@oemcomputer>

No worries, Stephen (if you're reading this) - I'm sorted.    Jeff @ ESL
came up with the solution for me.

Cheers  (and thanks again to Jeff!)

Gra'



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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gimli
> Sent: 16 June 2004 08:30
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: STEPHEN SANK
>
>
> No reply!  I guess Stephen's not monitoring the NakList messages at the
> moment.
>
> Does anyone else have an e-mail for him?  The last I had was
> bk11 at thuntek.net but doesn't seem to be working for me.
>
> Cheers
>
> Graham
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Nelson
> > Sent: 14 June 2004 23:06
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: STEPHEN SANK
> >
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > I am not sure I still have the correct e-mail address for you as I have
> > written a several times but not received an acknowledgement.   I
> > am seeking
> > your help with the SONY MDP-510 you sold me.  The inherited fault
> > appears to
> > have developed to the extent that the drawer now will not open at
> > all as it
> > continually searchers for the disc that it thinks is in the drawer.
> > Powering off and on does not help.
> >
> > I have an engineer here who can help if I can get my hands on the
> > schematic.
> > As you worked on this one, and others, do you have a schematic
> that I can
> > have/borrow??
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Graham
> >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Jun 17 01:54:05 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:54:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] OT:   STEPHEN SANK
Message-ID: <21564-40D0DD9D-1384@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

hi,Graham,no reply necessary,but i was thinking of you cause i just
pulled up the capercaille tape after not hearing it for a few months.
what a pleasure! you looked about average weight from your pic on the
marathon page.i am guessin you recorded that tape on your gyrodec into
your cr-7a ..it sounds  lovely. 

thank you very much,
gerald



From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jun 17 09:22:35 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:22:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] capercaille tape
In-Reply-To: <21564-40D0DD9D-1384@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001201c4543b$dc67a480$bac34c51@oemcomputer>

Hi Gerald

No, I recorded it from a pre-production Rega Jupiter II CD player into my
modified ZX-9.   (I sold the CR-7a.  BTW, my record deck isn't a Gyrodec,
lovely though they are, but an Oracle Delphi II.  I believe both decks have
a lot in common.)

Cheers

Gra'

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> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 17 June 2004 00:54
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] OT: STEPHEN SANK
>
>
> hi,Graham,no reply necessary,but i was thinking of you cause i just
> pulled up the capercaille tape after not hearing it for a few months.
> what a pleasure! you looked about average weight from your pic on the
> marathon page.i am guessin you recorded that tape on your gyrodec into
> your cr-7a ..it sounds  lovely.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From kevin at jameskev.plus.com  Wed Jun 16 14:55:30 2004
From: kevin at jameskev.plus.com (Kevin James)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:55:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem 
Message-ID: <03bb01c453a1$355ddb40$6acdae51@OWNERKJ>


Can anybody help me with an intermittent Dragon playback problem which has been frustrating me for the past few weeks.
Sometimes I can load a tape and play it back without a hitch. At other times when I load a tape and press the play button all I get is a whirring noise for a second or two and then the deck switches to reverse play, whirs again for a second or two and then stops. Has anyone any idea what could be causing this?

The deck had a full rebuild, carried out by the B&W Nakamichi technicians in the UK about 3 years ago, and has had moderate use since.

When it works it sounds great!

regards,
Kevin James


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From ti at amb.org  Thu Jun 17 10:25:11 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:25:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem
In-Reply-To: <03bb01c453a1$355ddb40$6acdae51@OWNERKJ> from "Kevin James" at
	Jun 16, 2004 01:55:30 PM
Message-ID: <200406170825.IAA24891@amb.org>

Kevin James writes:
> Can anybody help me with an intermittent Dragon playback problem which =
> has been frustrating me for the past few weeks.
> Sometimes I can load a tape and play it back without a hitch. At other =
> times when I load a tape and press the play button all I get is a =
> whirring noise for a second or two and then the deck switches to reverse =
> play, whirs again for a second or two and then stops. Has anyone any =
> idea what could be causing this?

Do you have auto-reverse switch turned on?
Seems like the end-of-tape detector is being triggered.  Does the tape
you have seem unusually "tight" to turn?  Maybe the reel drive idler
is slipping.

-Ti
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From mrao at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jun 17 10:22:53 2004
From: mrao at bigpond.net.au (Murli Rao)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:22:53 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Comparison Tandberg 3014 and 3014A
References: <200406161001.i5GA16ju001217@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <003801c45444$4abe47b0$236d8890@MURLIWXP>

Hi All,

Can anyone provide any insight into the difference between Tandberg 3014 and
Tandberg 3014A?

Cheers
Murli



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 13:41:57 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:41:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem
References: <03bb01c453a1$355ddb40$6acdae51@OWNERKJ>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV40xPs68K8r00011e88@hotmail.com>

Hello Kevin,

I really hope...!, that my advice will remedy your un-happiness!!!
When I received my gifted Dragon, after been for 20 years "Boxed"...(Only when was acquired in 1984...recorded and play only ONE cassette!), and as you already mentioned that is "USED MODERATE"...since the was "rebuilt" in UK, try to leave ON for 3 days continuously, so the heat will leave out all the humid...from the machine, and after that load an a very OLD un-usable cassette, (For keep the heads/pinch rollers...etc clean!), spray extremely light a WB-40, to all the white Teflon gear, below the heads/etc..., the machine STAY ON ALL THE TIME...!, wait for 5 minutes, after so put again the door (Which was take it away...before do any spray on the white Teflon gears, below the heads!); and I hope that after this treatment...! your machine will work as intended again!

Only Kevin, inform me if my advice works!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kevin James 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:55 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem 



  Can anybody help me with an intermittent Dragon playback problem which has been frustrating me for the past few weeks.
  Sometimes I can load a tape and play it back without a hitch. At other times when I load a tape and press the play button all I get is a whirring noise for a second or two and then the deck switches to reverse play, whirs again for a second or two and then stops. Has anyone any idea what could be causing this?

  The deck had a full rebuild, carried out by the B&W Nakamichi technicians in the UK about 3 years ago, and has had moderate use since.

  When it works it sounds great!

  regards,
  Kevin James




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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 13:45:25 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:45:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem
References: <03bb01c453a1$355ddb40$6acdae51@OWNERKJ>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV543E1ioWwr00038802@hotmail.com>

Hi Kevin!

I just Tim's letter, look very carefully that the reverse button is 100% OFF, You MUST look that with plenty of light, as it's very difficulty to sow at once!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kevin James 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:55 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem 



  Can anybody help me with an intermittent Dragon playback problem which has been frustrating me for the past few weeks.
  Sometimes I can load a tape and play it back without a hitch. At other times when I load a tape and press the play button all I get is a whirring noise for a second or two and then the deck switches to reverse play, whirs again for a second or two and then stops. Has anyone any idea what could be causing this?

  The deck had a full rebuild, carried out by the B&W Nakamichi technicians in the UK about 3 years ago, and has had moderate use since.

  When it works it sounds great!

  regards,
  Kevin James




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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Thu Jun 17 13:39:55 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:39:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RM-100 remote for sale!!!!
Message-ID: <004b01c4545f$d10839a0$186623c8@g8nsv>

Hi my friends!!!!

I am offering a brand new Nakamichi Remote model RM-100 up for sale....Found it at a friend's house....no manual, no box but fully functional and in perfect cosmetic condition. Asking price US$35 plus shipping.
I am offering it here before putting it up for bid on ebay.
If anybodyu is interested please contact me off the list to fidelman at telcel/net/ve
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jun 17 14:03:39 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:03:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] Orkut community
Message-ID: <21072.212.78.179.234.1087473819.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi Everyone,

For those of you who have joined orkut (http://www.orkut.com), i've
created a Nakamichi comminity.
So join and we'll meet there!

Wouter


From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Jun 17 17:15:52 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:15:52 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem
References: <200406170825.IAA24891@amb.org>
Message-ID: <004101c4547e$12722720$d1299bca@aisha>


Hi Kevin,

It sure sounds like mode control belt is slipping (approximately located
behind tape counter).  However, replacing it is not a very easy task.

If you're handy with opening deck and mechanical stuff you might want to
open the cover to see if you can safely replace the belt yourself.  Dragon
does not use belt for its capstans so there should be only one belt visible
from the top and it is connecting small motor near the bottom to the large
white plastic gear.  To confirm that this is your real problem, try pushing
play while giving the large gear a slight careful nudge to the left (from
front side).

Ime it is easier to replace it from the bottom side, but take a look from
the top first to see if you're comfortable changing it yourself.

Good luck !
Salim SM.


----- Original Message -----
From: Ti Kan
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem


Kevin James writes:
> Can anybody help me with an intermittent Dragon playback problem which =
> has been frustrating me for the past few weeks.
> Sometimes I can load a tape and play it back without a hitch. At other =
> times when I load a tape and press the play button all I get is a =
> whirring noise for a second or two and then the deck switches to reverse =
> play, whirs again for a second or two and then stops. Has anyone any =
> idea what could be causing this?

Do you have auto-reverse switch turned on?
Seems like the end-of-tape detector is being triggered.  Does the tape
you have seem unusually "tight" to turn?  Maybe the reel drive idler
is slipping.

-Ti
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From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Thu Jun 17 22:24:12 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:24:12 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem 
References: <03bb01c453a1$355ddb40$6acdae51@OWNERKJ>
Message-ID: <005a01c454a9$0e651bd0$361098de@tec>

This sounds like a slipping or loose belt to me. I had a similar problem on a Technics 3 head deck, solved by fitting a new correctly tensioned belt.

Donald
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kevin James 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 12:55 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Intermittent playback problem 



  Can anybody help me with an intermittent Dragon playback problem which has been frustrating me for the past few weeks.
  Sometimes I can load a tape and play it back without a hitch. At other times when I load a tape and press the play button all I get is a whirring noise for a second or two and then the deck switches to reverse play, whirs again for a second or two and then stops. Has anyone any idea what could be causing this?

  The deck had a full rebuild, carried out by the B&W Nakamichi technicians in the UK about 3 years ago, and has had moderate use since.

  When it works it sounds great!

  regards,
  Kevin James




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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jun 19 00:08:31 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:08:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Orkut community
In-Reply-To: <21072.212.78.179.234.1087473819.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001d01c45580$cab2b220$c2a04e51@oemcomputer>

Wouter, you realise people have to be invited via Orkut before they can join
... Wanna invite me?!  :o)

Gra'

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> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke
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> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Orkut community
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> For those of you who have joined orkut (http://www.orkut.com), i've
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> So join and we'll meet there!
>
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From roleo at telus.net  Sat Jun 19 07:40:39 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:40:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Hitachi High end deck?
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer><BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com><001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha><BAY18-DAV581fii6jss000315ca@hotmail.com><000701c45220$83ddaa70$6401a8c0@desktop><002901c45247$e2db6040$fb299bca@aisha><000501c4524c$21b727a0$6401a8c0@desktop><001901c452c8$9dd90980$0e92fea9@wdrewes>
	<001f01c452d1$9a77c700$11299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <000701c455bf$f45c7130$6401a8c0@desktop>

Check out this Hitachi on E-bay. Even has meters for Bias and Sensitivity:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3822422843

-- Roland

    


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From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...


> 
> Thanks Walter !!  In short, almost every Nak deck prior to the newer
> Cassette Deck 1 and DR series are controllable by the preamp.  The CA7
> remote even has 'azimuth' buttons for CR7 as well as reverse button for
> Dragon, and it allows both deck to be connected at the same time  =).
> 
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wme drewes
> To: Roland Alford ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
> 
> 
> If you supply us with a fax no (off line)I can send you a 6page
> compatability brochure for remote control through or by means of the remotes
> of the various Amp types eg TAseries,CA7,  AMP 1 series to the various
> 'old'decks right up to MR1 types(Including the OMS-7 and the more modern CDP
> CD players as well ).As well the Nak adapters required(RC series) with
> different room activation capabilities(.RS5 and RS7 off the CA 7)
> The practical side of the CA 7 is unbelievable for remote unit switching
> either direct or through the RC adapters (and RS adapters)
> regards
> walter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland Alford" <roleo at telus.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
> 
> 
> > Thanx Salim!!
> >
> > That's very helpful.
> >
> > By the way can older cassette decks plug directly into the back of the
> CA-7 (via DIN type plugs)
> > for remote capability?
> >
> > -- Roland
> 
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Jun 20 13:24:57 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (p r)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:24:57 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Hitachi High end deck?
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer><BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com><001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha><BAY18-DAV581fii6jss000315ca@hotmail.com><000701c45220$83ddaa70$6401a8c0@desktop><002901c45247$e2db6040$fb299bca@aisha><000501c4524c$21b727a0$6401a8c0@desktop><001901c452c8$9dd90980$0e92fea9@wdrewes><001f01c452d1$9a77c700$11299bca@aisha>
	<000701c455bf$f45c7130$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <000701c456b9$37abf010$65d74f51@prn2wpgkw5ajjd>

they should stick to making tractors-had a d-3500 and it was rubbish
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From: "Roland Alford" <roleo at telus.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:40 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Hitachi High end deck?


> Check out this Hitachi on E-bay. Even has meters for Bias and Sensitivity:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3822422843
>
> -- Roland
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
>
>
> >
> > Thanks Walter !!  In short, almost every Nak deck prior to the newer
> > Cassette Deck 1 and DR series are controllable by the preamp.  The CA7
> > remote even has 'azimuth' buttons for CR7 as well as reverse button for
> > Dragon, and it allows both deck to be connected at the same time  =).
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Salim SM
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: wme drewes
> > To: Roland Alford ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
> >
> >
> > If you supply us with a fax no (off line)I can send you a 6page
> > compatability brochure for remote control through or by means of the
remotes
> > of the various Amp types eg TAseries,CA7,  AMP 1 series to the various
> > 'old'decks right up to MR1 types(Including the OMS-7 and the more modern
CDP
> > CD players as well ).As well the Nak adapters required(RC series) with
> > different room activation capabilities(.RS5 and RS7 off the CA 7)
> > The practical side of the CA 7 is unbelievable for remote unit switching
> > either direct or through the RC adapters (and RS adapters)
> > regards
> > walter
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roland Alford" <roleo at telus.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 and CA-7a Opinions please...
> >
> >
> > > Thanx Salim!!
> > >
> > > That's very helpful.
> > >
> > > By the way can older cassette decks plug directly into the back of the
> > CA-7 (via DIN type plugs)
> > > for remote capability?
> > >
> > > -- Roland
> >
> >
> >
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sun Jun 20 14:15:51 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:15:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hitachi High end deck?
In-Reply-To: <000701c455bf$f45c7130$6401a8c0@desktop>
References: <000601c45138$6bfd5740$1571893e@oemcomputer>
	<BAY18-DAV58vW81Z2ak00030c65@hotmail.com>
	<001f01c45180$8a0ba820$bc299bca@aisha>
	<BAY18-DAV581fii6jss000315ca@hotmail.com>
	<000701c45220$83ddaa70$6401a8c0@desktop>
	<002901c45247$e2db6040$fb299bca@aisha>
	<000501c4524c$21b727a0$6401a8c0@desktop>
	<001901c452c8$9dd90980$0e92fea9@wdrewes>
	<001f01c452d1$9a77c700$11299bca@aisha>
	<000701c455bf$f45c7130$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040620080524.02a07b68@pop.iquebec.com>

At 01:40 2004/06/19, you wrote:
>Check out this Hitachi on E-bay. Even has meters for Bias and Sensitivity:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3822422843
>
>-- Roland

Meters only show what's happening with auto calibration feature. No manual 
adjustments there. D-5500 built in the late seventies was later replaced by 
D-5500M which was compatible with metal tape. I have owned a D-3300M which 
was its slightly scaled down version and I liked it a lot at the time. I 
sold it to a friend who used it for some 15 years but had to give it up a 
few years ago because parts were no longer available.




From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 10:11:10 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:11:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D549@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <20040621081110.46382.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok this sounds so much like my Nak collection.. 1000ZXL, 700 and 700II, ZX670, ZX 680 and DR10. Or my reel to reel deck collection which stands at 15. 
 
BG

Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au> wrote:
Alex, can you reply to me to my e-mail address. I am interested in your
opinion on the D-70. I am a Nikon owner of 2 cameras and I am thinking of
going digital.

Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 13 June 2004 9:01 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks


Dear Sandor,

OK...I agree, this week my eldest son gave me as my 60 years birthday,
retuning from US...a Nikon D-70 Kit digital camera, (I'm a jubilate
professional technical photographer), to my specific need...TO MUCH CAMERA!
However, today concerning Audio I still owning 5 tables!

If, you love it...receive my heart fully bless on your lovely Nak.
collection! Bravo!!!

Happy Listening!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S�ndor Istv�n" 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: having many Naks


> Alex,
> it is something like love...
> I have also some of them:
> TT1000 (the oldest), BX1 (the smallest), RX505 (the most interesing), 
> and
a
> ZX7 (the very first, and best for me).
> Furthermore, I have one MTD3 still in its box, and an old, but rock 
> solid TD400. This TD400 works on my tabletop (not in the car...)
>
> Should everything be logic?
> Best to you all.
>
> Istv�n
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Cozac" 
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
>
>
> > Hello Bleus!
> >
> > A stupid enquire!
> > Explain me very logically..THE WHY to have stacked so many Nak 
> > units? On or two suffice!!!!
> >
> > Thanks so much, and continue your happing listening
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "KJ Bleus" 
> > To: 
> > Cc: "KJ Bleus" 
> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:16 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
> >
> >
> > > I've been using a Nak ZX-7 for a few years now, and I can tell you
that
> it
> > > is very enjoyable to closely view the cassettes running through 
> > > the
open
> > > area on the door. Usually, I keep a cassette in the ZX-7, to 
> > > always
> > protect
> > > in sensitive innards from dust, etc. Also, if I'm not using the
> NakStack
> > > (my little term, a stack of Nak gear from bottom to top 
> > > consisting
of:
> > > 680-ZX, ZX-7, T-100, MX-100) for an extended period of time, I 
> > > place a
> > nice
> > > clear vinyl cover to protect all of the goodies from dust and
whatever.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Bleus de Nakker
> > > Madison, Wisc USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Today's Topics:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Re: zx-7 door (Salim Marzuki)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:30:36 +0700
> > > > From: Salim Marzuki 
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
> > > > Message-ID: <001a01c44fbe$42dee160$4c299bca at aisha>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that it has a real purpose other than cosmetics.
Considering
> > the
> > > > lamp is located above the gap then it won't serve quite well as
> > > ventilation.
> > > > Only zx and lx models have no plastic cover, the rest including
latter
> > > model
> > > > dragon are sealed. My suggestion is not to touch the bulb. =)
> > > >
> > > > Have a nice weekend !
> > > > Salim SM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tayfur Gunay
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The gap left on purpose to eliminate overheating. The pilot lamp
> causing
> > > > heat is to some extend ventilated by this gap.
> > > > Suggest leave as it is!!! (You'll feel how hot that lamp when
> > touched!!!)
> > > > Tayfur
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Nelson
> > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] zx-7 door
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's the way they come. Personally, for my ZX-9, I prefer to
> BlueTak
> > a
> > > > piece of clear plastic over the gap, one that I cut from an old 
> > > > CD
> jewel
> > > > case. (BlueTak so as not to glue it permanently and potentially
spoil
> > the
> > > > value of the machine.)
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10
> > > > ***************************************
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 02:57:19 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:57:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Comparison Tandberg 3014 and 3014A
Message-ID: <BAY99-F145N1JncW8OY00003789@hotmail.com>

High Fidelity magazine (USA) has test reports on the 3014 in the August, 
1984 issue and the 3014A in the February, 1986 issue. Here's are excerpts I  
condensed from the 3014A review which may help:

"To the eye the 3014A is identical but there are a number of refinements 
(including) more sophisticated recording and output circuits, better parts 
such as polystyrene capacitors and close tolerance resistors in key sections 
of the signal path. Tandberg has made the remote control standard with the 
3014A model, a savings of $100 to the buyer." High Fidelity also mentioned 
that the owner's manual was revised so that things were explained more 
clearly.

Other specifications mentioned in the 3014A review which both models may or 
may not share are:
Dolby B & C, multiplex filter, Tandberg DynEq (dynamic equalization) 
circuitry,  point to point repeat function selectable between two points on 
a tape, fast winds at constant speed for tape wrap uniformity and easier 
searching, and  8-bit microprocessor control.

Bob




>Can anyone provide any insight into the difference between Tandberg 3014 
>and
>Tandberg 3014A?
>
>Cheers
>Murli
>

_________________________________________________________________
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 09:32:55 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:32:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV34H49KOlAQ00001a4d@hotmail.com>

>spray extremely light a WB-40, to all the white Teflon gear,
Don't you mean WD-40?  The gear are nylon, not Teflon and why would
you spray a water displacer (WD-40) on the nylon gears.  Those gears
are only adjusted during calibration of the record and playback head
height and azimuth! and are typically not lubricated in the first
place.

I sure hope Kevin didn't follow your advice.

If you wanted to lubricate them, then you should have used a
lubricant!  WD-40 is NOT a lubricant and should NOT be used like it
is.  If your deck was going into storage it might be a good idea to
apply a tin coat of WD-40 to the heads though, since it will
displace any water that is there and when it dries into a thick gooey
mess it will protect the heads from moisture and rust.  Of course it
will need to be cleaned off before use with denatured alcohol, MEK or
just about any other solvent that does not leave a residue.

The proper points to lube are pinch roller pivot shafts (very common
for these to gum up on the classis Nak mechanism), cam motor pulley
shaft, reel hub shaft and capstan shafts.  If any of these have dried
oil on them, they should be soaked in MEK, >99% alcohol or similar
solvent to remove the old oil, before being relubricated.

SJ.

My deepest Apologies!

This is the Lubricant that I use...NOT the WD-40!

Was my mistake, however this really work!

To all those Nak. owners, that also love Photography, here is my second try
of my received Nikon D-70, in manual position speed 1/10 + a NOT original
Nikon flash, nut my excellent vintage one Metz CT-34/4. totally Auto, and
not "Dedicated", F-11, at 70mm telephoto lens setting and less that one
meter from the Dragon. Sent as it!!!! No correction at all!!!

I hope that a Photo, will speak more that 1,000 words!!! All you agree????

Happy listening,

ALEX!

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From mrao at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jun 22 11:39:10 2004
From: mrao at bigpond.net.au (Murli Rao)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:39:10 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Comparison Tandberg 3014 and 3014A
References: <200406220756.i5M7twUs025840@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <000901c4583c$c7171fc0$236d8890@MURLIWXP>

Bob,

Thanks for your effort in digging up the info. It was very helpful

I have PDF copies of technical reviews of 3014A and Nak CR7 which appeared
on Australian Hi-Fi magazine. If anyone is interested please feel free to
email me and I will forward these reviews.

Cheers
Murli

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:56 PM
Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 23


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>    2. Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40! (Alex Cozac)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:57:19 -0500
> From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Comparison Tandberg 3014 and 3014A
> To: mrao at bigpond.net.au, naktalk at naks.com
> Message-ID: <BAY99-F145N1JncW8OY00003789 at hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> High Fidelity magazine (USA) has test reports on the 3014 in the August,
> 1984 issue and the 3014A in the February, 1986 issue. Here's are excerpts
I
> condensed from the 3014A review which may help:
>
> "To the eye the 3014A is identical but there are a number of refinements
> (including) more sophisticated recording and output circuits, better parts
> such as polystyrene capacitors and close tolerance resistors in key
sections
> of the signal path. Tandberg has made the remote control standard with the
> 3014A model, a savings of $100 to the buyer." High Fidelity also mentioned
> that the owner's manual was revised so that things were explained more
> clearly.
>
> Other specifications mentioned in the 3014A review which both models may
or
> may not share are:
> Dolby B & C, multiplex filter, Tandberg DynEq (dynamic equalization)
> circuitry,  point to point repeat function selectable between two points
on
> a tape, fast winds at constant speed for tape wrap uniformity and easier
> searching, and  8-bit microprocessor control.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> >Can anyone provide any insight into the difference between Tandberg 3014
> >and
> >Tandberg 3014A?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Murli
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:32:55 +0200
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
> To: <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>, "Thomas Siomopoulos"
> <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>, "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>,
> "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>, <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>, KJ Bleus
> <kjbleus at charter.net>, Arthur Salvatore <arthur at high-endaudio.com>
> Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV34H49KOlAQ00001a4d at hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255"
>
> >spray extremely light a WB-40, to all the white Teflon gear,
> Don't you mean WD-40?  The gear are nylon, not Teflon and why would
> you spray a water displacer (WD-40) on the nylon gears.  Those gears
> are only adjusted during calibration of the record and playback head
> height and azimuth! and are typically not lubricated in the first
> place.
>
> I sure hope Kevin didn't follow your advice.
>
> If you wanted to lubricate them, then you should have used a
> lubricant!  WD-40 is NOT a lubricant and should NOT be used like it
> is.  If your deck was going into storage it might be a good idea to
> apply a tin coat of WD-40 to the heads though, since it will
> displace any water that is there and when it dries into a thick gooey
> mess it will protect the heads from moisture and rust.  Of course it
> will need to be cleaned off before use with denatured alcohol, MEK or
> just about any other solvent that does not leave a residue.
>
> The proper points to lube are pinch roller pivot shafts (very common
> for these to gum up on the classis Nak mechanism), cam motor pulley
> shaft, reel hub shaft and capstan shafts.  If any of these have dried
> oil on them, they should be soaked in MEK, >99% alcohol or similar
> solvent to remove the old oil, before being relubricated.
>
> SJ.
>
> My deepest Apologies!
>
> This is the Lubricant that I use...NOT the WD-40!
>
> Was my mistake, however this really work!
>
> To all those Nak. owners, that also love Photography, here is my second
try
> of my received Nikon D-70, in manual position speed 1/10 + a NOT original
> Nikon flash, nut my excellent vintage one Metz CT-34/4. totally Auto, and
> not "Dedicated", F-11, at 70mm telephoto lens setting and less that one
> meter from the Dragon. Sent as it!!!! No correction at all!!!
>
> I hope that a Photo, will speak more that 1,000 words!!! All you agree????
>
> Happy listening,
>
> ALEX!
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jun 23 04:15:40 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:15:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
	<20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>

Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were produced. The
first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume generated from the
San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.

The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
shipping remains the same as last project:

$10.00 domestic
$20.00 international

Those interested already know what to do:

send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...

Thanks !

Carlos



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Jun 23 05:03:33 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:03:33 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D582@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Money order is in the post Carlos, hoep it gets there soon.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:16 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Importance: High


Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were produced. The
first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume generated from the
San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.

The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
shipping remains the same as last project:

$10.00 domestic
$20.00 international

Those interested already know what to do:

send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...

Thanks !

Carlos

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jun 23 10:42:00 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:42:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D582@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <003101c458fd$f400a670$8d773242@CopyTech>

Thanks !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Money order is in the post Carlos, hoep it gets there soon.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:16
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> Importance: High
>
>
> Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were produced.
The
> first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume generated from
the
> San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
> promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
>
> The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
> shipping remains the same as last project:
>
> $10.00 domestic
> $20.00 international
>
> Those interested already know what to do:
>
> send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
>
> Carlos J Guzman
> 51 Calle Batey
> Luquillo, PR 00773
>
> All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
>
> Thanks !
>
> Carlos
>
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From britri at comcast.net  Tue Jun 22 19:36:39 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:36:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Comparison Tandberg 3014 and 3014A
References: <BAY99-F145N1JncW8OY00003789@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40D86E27.7090506@comcast.net>

What an incredible machine.  I am a heretic (may not be the right word) 
for having this along with my nak 1, but knew I had to have this when I 
was a boy.

Anybody else besides Carlos love this machine?

Brian

bwana747 _ wrote:

> High Fidelity magazine (USA) has test reports on the 3014 in the 
> August, 1984 issue and the 3014A in the February, 1986 issue. Here's 
> are excerpts I  condensed from the 3014A review which may help:
>
> "To the eye the 3014A is identical but there are a number of 
> refinements (including) more sophisticated recording and output 
> circuits, better parts such as polystyrene capacitors and close 
> tolerance resistors in key sections of the signal path. Tandberg has 
> made the remote control standard with the 3014A model, a savings of 
> $100 to the buyer." High Fidelity also mentioned that the owner's 
> manual was revised so that things were explained more clearly.
>
> Other specifications mentioned in the 3014A review which both models 
> may or may not share are:
> Dolby B & C, multiplex filter, Tandberg DynEq (dynamic equalization) 
> circuitry,  point to point repeat function selectable between two 
> points on a tape, fast winds at constant speed for tape wrap 
> uniformity and easier searching, and  8-bit microprocessor control.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>> Can anyone provide any insight into the difference between Tandberg 
>> 3014 and
>> Tandberg 3014A?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Murli
>>
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 22:43:38 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:43:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
Message-ID: <BAY2-F148ZhCl8aii080007db88@hotmail.com>

The finast chemicals for all things electronic are made by Caig Labs..none 
finer!


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>,        "Thomas Siomopoulos" 
><Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>,        "Scott Johnson" 
><p9019 at yahoo.com>,        "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>, 
><kannan_s at vsnl.com>
>CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>,        KJ Bleus 
><kjbleus at charter.net>,        Arthur Salvatore <arthur at high-endaudio.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:32:55 +0200
>
> >spray extremely light a WB-40, to all the white Teflon gear,
>Don't you mean WD-40?  The gear are nylon, not Teflon and why would
>you spray a water displacer (WD-40) on the nylon gears.  Those gears
>are only adjusted during calibration of the record and playback head
>height and azimuth! and are typically not lubricated in the first
>place.
>
>I sure hope Kevin didn't follow your advice.
>
>If you wanted to lubricate them, then you should have used a
>lubricant!  WD-40 is NOT a lubricant and should NOT be used like it
>is.  If your deck was going into storage it might be a good idea to
>apply a tin coat of WD-40 to the heads though, since it will
>displace any water that is there and when it dries into a thick gooey
>mess it will protect the heads from moisture and rust.  Of course it
>will need to be cleaned off before use with denatured alcohol, MEK or
>just about any other solvent that does not leave a residue.
>
>The proper points to lube are pinch roller pivot shafts (very common
>for these to gum up on the classis Nak mechanism), cam motor pulley
>shaft, reel hub shaft and capstan shafts.  If any of these have dried
>oil on them, they should be soaked in MEK, >99% alcohol or similar
>solvent to remove the old oil, before being relubricated.
>
>SJ.
>
>My deepest Apologies!
>
>This is the Lubricant that I use...NOT the WD-40!
>
>Was my mistake, however this really work!
>
>To all those Nak. owners, that also love Photography, here is my second try
>of my received Nikon D-70, in manual position speed 1/10 + a NOT original
>Nikon flash, nut my excellent vintage one Metz CT-34/4. totally Auto, and
>not "Dedicated", F-11, at 70mm telephoto lens setting and less that one
>meter from the Dragon. Sent as it!!!! No correction at all!!!
>
>I hope that a Photo, will speak more that 1,000 words!!! All you agree????
>
>Happy listening,
>
>ALEX!
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Jun 23 02:05:31 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:05:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer><20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org>
	<001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000601c458b5$cccd7bc0$5bb50642@johnnyrotten>

10-4 Carlos my ReVox buddy, looking forward to hearing it. Put me down for 
one order, check to follow.

Many thanks,
John T.
Delaware

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:15 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were produced. 
> The
> first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume generated from 
> the
> San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
> promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
>
> The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
> shipping remains the same as last project:
>
> $10.00 domestic
> $20.00 international
>
> Those interested already know what to do:
>
> send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
>
> Carlos J Guzman
> 51 Calle Batey
> Luquillo, PR 00773
>
> All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
>
> Thanks !
>
> Carlos
>
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 02:27:00 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:27:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer><20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org>
	<001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001a01c458b8$cd547eb0$6601a8c0@cn593434a>

Carlos,

Please include one set for me.  Your check will be on its way tomorrow.
Thanks very much and I wait with great anticipation for this latest set.

Dean Bauer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:15 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were produced.
The
> first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume generated from
the
> San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
> promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
>
> The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
> shipping remains the same as last project:
>
> $10.00 domestic
> $20.00 international
>
> Those interested already know what to do:
>
> send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
>
> Carlos J Guzman
> 51 Calle Batey
> Luquillo, PR 00773
>
> All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
>
> Thanks !
>
> Carlos
>
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 03:06:45 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:06:45 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Message-ID: <1e.2cb15f17.2e0a31a5@aol.com>

Excellent! Check's in the mail Carlos...

Thanks again for your hard work,
Anthony

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jun 23 17:59:54 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:59:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Comparison Tandberg 3014 and 3014A
References: <BAY99-F145N1JncW8OY00003789@hotmail.com>
	<40D86E27.7090506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001101c4593b$20a84e20$1a773242@CopyTech>

Your are not heretic, Brian, just smart ... Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Stocker" <britri at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Comparison Tandberg 3014 and 3014A


> What an incredible machine.  I am a heretic (may not be the right word)
> for having this along with my nak 1, but knew I had to have this when I
> was a boy.
>
> Anybody else besides Carlos love this machine?
>
> Brian
>
> bwana747 _ wrote:
>
> > High Fidelity magazine (USA) has test reports on the 3014 in the
> > August, 1984 issue and the 3014A in the February, 1986 issue. Here's
> > are excerpts I  condensed from the 3014A review which may help:
> >
> > "To the eye the 3014A is identical but there are a number of
> > refinements (including) more sophisticated recording and output
> > circuits, better parts such as polystyrene capacitors and close
> > tolerance resistors in key sections of the signal path. Tandberg has
> > made the remote control standard with the 3014A model, a savings of
> > $100 to the buyer." High Fidelity also mentioned that the owner's
> > manual was revised so that things were explained more clearly.
> >
> > Other specifications mentioned in the 3014A review which both models
> > may or may not share are:
> > Dolby B & C, multiplex filter, Tandberg DynEq (dynamic equalization)
> > circuitry,  point to point repeat function selectable between two
> > points on a tape, fast winds at constant speed for tape wrap
> > uniformity and easier searching, and  8-bit microprocessor control.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Can anyone provide any insight into the difference between Tandberg
> >> 3014 and
> >> Tandberg 3014A?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Murli
> >>
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter
> > to win a trip to NY
> >
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> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jun 23 18:00:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:00:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer><20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org><001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
	<001a01c458b8$cd547eb0$6601a8c0@cn593434a>
Message-ID: <001f01c4593b$38f48cf0$1a773242@CopyTech>

NO problem, Dean.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Bauer" <dbauer45 at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Carlos,
>
> Please include one set for me.  Your check will be on its way tomorrow.
> Thanks very much and I wait with great anticipation for this latest set.
>
> Dean Bauer
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:15 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were produced.
> The
> > first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume generated from
> the
> > San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
> > promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
> >
> > The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
> > shipping remains the same as last project:
> >
> > $10.00 domestic
> > $20.00 international
> >
> > Those interested already know what to do:
> >
> > send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
> >
> > Carlos J Guzman
> > 51 Calle Batey
> > Luquillo, PR 00773
> >
> > All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jun 23 18:00:17 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:00:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer><20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org><001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
	<000601c458b5$cccd7bc0$5bb50642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <001901c4593b$2e5918b0$1a773242@CopyTech>

Sure thing !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> 10-4 Carlos my ReVox buddy, looking forward to hearing it. Put me down for
> one order, check to follow.
>
> Many thanks,
> John T.
> Delaware
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:15 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were produced.
> > The
> > first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume generated from
> > the
> > San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
> > promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
> >
> > The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
> > shipping remains the same as last project:
> >
> > $10.00 domestic
> > $20.00 international
> >
> > Those interested already know what to do:
> >
> > send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
> >
> > Carlos J Guzman
> > 51 Calle Batey
> > Luquillo, PR 00773
> >
> > All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
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> >
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jun 23 18:00:57 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:00:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <1e.2cb15f17.2e0a31a5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003201c4593b$45fc1f30$1a773242@CopyTech>

Thanks, Tony !

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BADANTH at aol.com 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 6:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


  Excellent! Check's in the mail Carlos...

  Thanks again for your hard work,
  Anthony




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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 23 17:57:44 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:57:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
References: <BAY2-F148ZhCl8aii080007db88@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV52shK8YeQV00003b40@hotmail.com>

I agree with you! However, I can't obtain Craig Labs items, here in Israel!
So this Prestone with Silicone spray, do the job well!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!


> The finast chemicals for all things electronic are made by Caig Labs..none
> finer!
>
>
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>,        "Thomas Siomopoulos"
> ><Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>,        "Scott Johnson"
> ><p9019 at yahoo.com>,        "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>,
> ><kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> >CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>,        KJ
Bleus
> ><kjbleus at charter.net>,        Arthur Salvatore <arthur at high-endaudio.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
> >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:32:55 +0200
> >
> > >spray extremely light a WB-40, to all the white Teflon gear,
> >Don't you mean WD-40?  The gear are nylon, not Teflon and why would
> >you spray a water displacer (WD-40) on the nylon gears.  Those gears
> >are only adjusted during calibration of the record and playback head
> >height and azimuth! and are typically not lubricated in the first
> >place.
> >
> >I sure hope Kevin didn't follow your advice.
> >
> >If you wanted to lubricate them, then you should have used a
> >lubricant!  WD-40 is NOT a lubricant and should NOT be used like it
> >is.  If your deck was going into storage it might be a good idea to
> >apply a tin coat of WD-40 to the heads though, since it will
> >displace any water that is there and when it dries into a thick gooey
> >mess it will protect the heads from moisture and rust.  Of course it
> >will need to be cleaned off before use with denatured alcohol, MEK or
> >just about any other solvent that does not leave a residue.
> >
> >The proper points to lube are pinch roller pivot shafts (very common
> >for these to gum up on the classis Nak mechanism), cam motor pulley
> >shaft, reel hub shaft and capstan shafts.  If any of these have dried
> >oil on them, they should be soaked in MEK, >99% alcohol or similar
> >solvent to remove the old oil, before being relubricated.
> >
> >SJ.
> >
> >My deepest Apologies!
> >
> >This is the Lubricant that I use...NOT the WD-40!
> >
> >Was my mistake, however this really work!
> >
> >To all those Nak. owners, that also love Photography, here is my second
try
> >of my received Nikon D-70, in manual position speed 1/10 + a NOT original
> >Nikon flash, nut my excellent vintage one Metz CT-34/4. totally Auto, and
> >not "Dedicated", F-11, at 70mm telephoto lens setting and less that one
> >meter from the Dragon. Sent as it!!!! No correction at all!!!
> >
> >I hope that a Photo, will speak more that 1,000 words!!! All you
agree????
> >
> >Happy listening,
> >
> >ALEX!
> >
> ><< PHOTOS420.jpg >>
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From hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar  Wed Jun 23 18:04:31 2004
From: hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar (Horacio Groppa)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:04:31 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Trouble with auto-calibration
Message-ID: <006a01c4593b$c87a0940$cc762ac8@thyny>

Hola,

My CR-7 refuses to calibrate for EX tapes.
I've tryed with TDK A, TDK D, Maxell UR,
Fuji DR as well as with a couple of "old"
TDK AD and TDK AR tapes with no results.

Calibration for SX and ZX works fine with
TDK SA and TDK MA tapes respectively.

What may be wrong? Hints and/or ideas
shall be welcome. Thank you.

Horacio
Buenos Aires



From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jun 23 22:53:42 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:53:42 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer><20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org><001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
	<000601c458b5$cccd7bc0$5bb50642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <002001c45964$2b7e84d0$10773242@CopyTech>

Hey Gra' and Tom Siomopoulos:

What kind of deck did you use for the Marathon Tape contribution ?

Thanks,

Carlos


From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Wed Jun 23 19:28:54 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:28:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
In-Reply-To: <001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>	<20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org>
	<001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <40D9BDD6.7080605@bellsouth.net>

Looking forward to it very much.
Check is on the way.
Michael Moore


El Magnifico wrote:

>Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were produced. The
>first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume generated from the
>San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
>promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
>
>The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
>shipping remains the same as last project:
>
>$10.00 domestic
>$20.00 international
>
>Those interested already know what to do:
>
>send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
>
>Carlos J Guzman
>51 Calle Batey
>Luquillo, PR 00773
>
>All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
>
>Thanks !
>
>Carlos
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jun 23 19:56:19 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:56:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Message-ID: <20040623175619.BUMA3786.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Just what is this Marathon Tape thing?  I somehow came into the middle of it and people are sending money to Carlos or whomever.


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/06/23 Wed PM 04:53:42 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> 
> Hey Gra' and Tom Siomopoulos:
> 
> What kind of deck did you use for the Marathon Tape contribution ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jun 24 02:42:34 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:42:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>	<20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org><001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
	<40D9BDD6.7080605@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <000901c45984$24676ed0$44773242@CopyTech>

Thanks Mike !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Looking forward to it very much.
> Check is on the way.
> Michael Moore
>
>
> El Magnifico wrote:
>
> >Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were produced.
The
> >first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume generated from
the
> >San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
> >promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
> >
> >The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
> >shipping remains the same as last project:
> >
> >$10.00 domestic
> >$20.00 international
> >
> >Those interested already know what to do:
> >
> >send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
> >
> >Carlos J Guzman
> >51 Calle Batey
> >Luquillo, PR 00773
> >
> >All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
> >
> >Thanks !
> >
> >Carlos
> >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Jun 24 00:24:45 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:45 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D587@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Carlos. I used my Sanktified RX505.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:54 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


Hey Gra' and Tom Siomopoulos:

What kind of deck did you use for the Marathon Tape contribution ?

Thanks,

Carlos
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 00:32:13 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:32:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Message-ID: <000001c45971$ee8cd500$3b974c51@oemcomputer>

I used a Tom van den Hoff modified ZX-9

Gra'

On 23/06/04 23:24:45, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks (naktalk at naks.com)
wrote:
> Hi Carlos. I used my Sanktified RX505.
>

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 00:36:22 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:36:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
In-Reply-To: <001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000101c45972$82b106c0$3b974c51@oemcomputer>

Yes please - I'll have some money sent to you.

Cheers

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 23 June 2004 03:16
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> Importance: High
>
>
> Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were
> produced. The
> first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume
> generated from the
> San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
> promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
>
> The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
> shipping remains the same as last project:
>
> $10.00 domestic
> $20.00 international
>
> Those interested already know what to do:
>
> send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
>
> Carlos J Guzman
> 51 Calle Batey
> Luquillo, PR 00773
>
> All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
>
> Thanks !
>
> Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jun 24 06:54:07 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:54:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D587@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001701c459a7$48991920$48773242@CopyTech>

Sure thing, Tom.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Hi Carlos. I used my Sanktified RX505.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:54
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> Hey Gra' and Tom Siomopoulos:
>
> What kind of deck did you use for the Marathon Tape contribution ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jun 24 06:55:41 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:55:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45971$ee8cd500$3b974c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002301c459a7$80c1c6d0$48773242@CopyTech>

Gra: You also forgot the details of your recording: title & artist. You
better stop drinking that 20 years old Royal Salute !

Carlos

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From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> I used a Tom van den Hoff modified ZX-9
>
> Gra'
>
> On 23/06/04 23:24:45, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
(naktalk at naks.com)
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jun 24 06:58:48 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:58:48 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000101c45972$82b106c0$3b974c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002d01c459a7$efb47c90$48773242@CopyTech>

By the way, this time you have the honors of closing Vol. 1 with your
"celtic" thing. The sound was excellent. Before yours, come Tom with the
"Stars" thing. Very good also.

Congratulations !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Yes please - I'll have some money sent to you.
>
> Cheers
>
> Graham
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > Sent: 23 June 2004 03:16
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > Importance: High
> >
> >
> > Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were
> > produced. The
> > first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume
> > generated from the
> > San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
> > promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
> >
> > The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
> > shipping remains the same as last project:
> >
> > $10.00 domestic
> > $20.00 international
> >
> > Those interested already know what to do:
> >
> > send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
> >
> > Carlos J Guzman
> > 51 Calle Batey
> > Luquillo, PR 00773
> >
> > All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From lists at richardhess.com  Thu Jun 24 04:45:44 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:45:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV52shK8YeQV00003b40@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F148ZhCl8aii080007db88@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040623194515.05455c00@127.0.0.1>

Alex, I think it's Caig labs--maybe you can obtain that? <smile>

Cheers, Richard

At 05:57 PM 6/23/2004 +0200, you wrote:
>I agree with you! However, I can't obtain Craig Labs items, here in Israel!
>So this Prestone with Silicone spray, do the job well!!!




From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 10:30:28 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:30:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
In-Reply-To: <002301c459a7$80c1c6d0$48773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001001c459c5$814923a0$f8de883e@oemcomputer>

Hi Carlos

I recorded onto an EMTEC CE II Chrome Extra C90 a piece of a record -
Scarlet Ribbons sung by Sinead O'Connor.  It's solo voice with a whistle and
very emotional.  Might make a nice piece to end on, if you feel the quality
is okay.  (I believe you will.  It was played on an Oracle Delphi II, with
OL modified & silver re-wired Rega RB300 arm with a DNM Reca cartridge.)
I also recorded a short extract of jazz straight off the FM radio - BBC
Radio 3.  It's in mono because I was using an unmodified Leak Trough Line
III.  It's fade in and out.  This tube tuner is around 35 years old.

I don't know if you used both or just one of them.

Cheers

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 24 June 2004 05:56
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> Gra: You also forgot the details of your recording: title & artist. You
> better stop drinking that 20 years old Royal Salute !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > I used a Tom van den Hoff modified ZX-9
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > On 23/06/04 23:24:45, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 24 00:16:54 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:16:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
Message-ID: <BAY2-F38unLBKKBZW6T0000de5c@hotmail.com>

They ship worldwide!


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:57:44 +0200
>
>I agree with you! However, I can't obtain Craig Labs items, here in Israel!
>So this Prestone with Silicone spray, do the job well!!!
>
>Happy Listening,
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:43 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
>
>
> > The finast chemicals for all things electronic are made by Caig 
>Labs..none
> > finer!
> >
> >
> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>,        "Thomas Siomopoulos"
> > ><Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>,        "Scott Johnson"
> > ><p9019 at yahoo.com>,        "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>,
> > ><kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > >CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>,        KJ
>Bleus
> > ><kjbleus at charter.net>,        Arthur Salvatore 
><arthur at high-endaudio.com>
> > >Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
> > >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:32:55 +0200
> > >
> > > >spray extremely light a WB-40, to all the white Teflon gear,
> > >Don't you mean WD-40?  The gear are nylon, not Teflon and why would
> > >you spray a water displacer (WD-40) on the nylon gears.  Those gears
> > >are only adjusted during calibration of the record and playback head
> > >height and azimuth! and are typically not lubricated in the first
> > >place.
> > >
> > >I sure hope Kevin didn't follow your advice.
> > >
> > >If you wanted to lubricate them, then you should have used a
> > >lubricant!  WD-40 is NOT a lubricant and should NOT be used like it
> > >is.  If your deck was going into storage it might be a good idea to
> > >apply a tin coat of WD-40 to the heads though, since it will
> > >displace any water that is there and when it dries into a thick gooey
> > >mess it will protect the heads from moisture and rust.  Of course it
> > >will need to be cleaned off before use with denatured alcohol, MEK or
> > >just about any other solvent that does not leave a residue.
> > >
> > >The proper points to lube are pinch roller pivot shafts (very common
> > >for these to gum up on the classis Nak mechanism), cam motor pulley
> > >shaft, reel hub shaft and capstan shafts.  If any of these have dried
> > >oil on them, they should be soaked in MEK, >99% alcohol or similar
> > >solvent to remove the old oil, before being relubricated.
> > >
> > >SJ.
> > >
> > >My deepest Apologies!
> > >
> > >This is the Lubricant that I use...NOT the WD-40!
> > >
> > >Was my mistake, however this really work!
> > >
> > >To all those Nak. owners, that also love Photography, here is my second
>try
> > >of my received Nikon D-70, in manual position speed 1/10 + a NOT 
>original
> > >Nikon flash, nut my excellent vintage one Metz CT-34/4. totally Auto, 
>and
> > >not "Dedicated", F-11, at 70mm telephoto lens setting and less that one
> > >meter from the Dragon. Sent as it!!!! No correction at all!!!
> > >
> > >I hope that a Photo, will speak more that 1,000 words!!! All you
>agree????
> > >
> > >Happy listening,
> > >
> > >ALEX!
> > >
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jun 24 05:38:09 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:38:09 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Best metal tape brand
Message-ID: <20040624033807.FGCT26998.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

What brand metal tape do you think is the best to use with a Nakamichi CR-7A?

I have some vintage TDK-SA90's that work just fine.  I received a box of 10 Sony metal tapes today and I was completely amazed at the extended high end that it was able to record.

Just wondering if there is that much of a difference in brands.  I bought a box of 10 for $30.

Roland



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 24 06:45:58 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:45:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
References: <BAY2-F148ZhCl8aii080007db88@hotmail.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20040623194515.05455c00@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV20iP9XGOla00004660@hotmail.com>

Hi Rich!

Yes I add a "R", to the name!. However, as I already wrote, this obtainable
here Prestone Silicone Lube, really help me! Yesterday I listen 10 hours
only Cassettes, with the "Autoreverse" playback feature, and NO noises at
all.
How was the photo? The original 800 Nikon strobe is extremely expensive, for
so "Few" "Flash/Strobe" use that I will do it, what I already have "Only
with Central hot shoe possibility", and in full Manual is enough for my
needs!

All my best wishes, and long life Rich!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!


> Alex, I think it's Caig labs--maybe you can obtain that? <smile>
>
> Cheers, Richard
>
> At 05:57 PM 6/23/2004 +0200, you wrote:
> >I agree with you! However, I can't obtain Craig Labs items, here in
Israel!
> >So this Prestone with Silicone spray, do the job well!!!
>
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From kemppie at studenten.net  Thu Jun 24 08:02:48 2004
From: kemppie at studenten.net (kemppie)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:02:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45971$ee8cd500$3b974c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001901c459b0$e2c69dc0$9600000a@lan>

Hi Gra'

I have a ZX-9 also: what dit Tom do with your ZX-9,
maybe he can do it do mine also !

Laurens

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:32 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> I used a Tom van den Hoff modified ZX-9
>
> Gra'
>
> On 23/06/04 23:24:45, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
(naktalk at naks.com)
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jun 24 19:35:31 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:35:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <001001c459c5$814923a0$f8de883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002001c45a11$a64f3850$24773242@CopyTech>

Thanks, Gra'. I selected the Scarlet Ribbons for closing.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:30 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Hi Carlos
>
> I recorded onto an EMTEC CE II Chrome Extra C90 a piece of a record -
> Scarlet Ribbons sung by Sinead O'Connor.  It's solo voice with a whistle
and
> very emotional.  Might make a nice piece to end on, if you feel the
quality
> is okay.  (I believe you will.  It was played on an Oracle Delphi II, with
> OL modified & silver re-wired Rega RB300 arm with a DNM Reca cartridge.)
> I also recorded a short extract of jazz straight off the FM radio - BBC
> Radio 3.  It's in mono because I was using an unmodified Leak Trough Line
> III.  It's fade in and out.  This tube tuner is around 35 years old.
>
> I don't know if you used both or just one of them.
>
> Cheers
>
> Graham
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > Sent: 24 June 2004 05:56
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> > Gra: You also forgot the details of your recording: title & artist. You
> > better stop drinking that 20 years old Royal Salute !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:32 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> > > I used a Tom van den Hoff modified ZX-9
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > On 23/06/04 23:24:45, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > (naktalk at naks.com)
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jun 24 20:21:44 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:21:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000101c45972$82b106c0$3b974c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <005601c45a18$1b125e00$24773242@CopyTech>

All right gentlemen:

The info for the Marathon Tape MK II has been released to Mr. Bleus in order
to publish it trough his very informative side.

Volume II is from the San Francisco's Session,so, the guys at the west coast
will have to publish that info once they receive their copies, since some
selections were left out due to time limitations.

Congratulations to all those who participated. Together we made history
again.

Carlos



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Jun 24 15:45:15 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:45:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best metal tape brand
Message-ID: <s0daf716.007@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Roland,

Any metal tape will outperform your SAs of any vintage.  Sony Metal SR, XR and ES are all very good and also diffrerent from each other.  That's the fun of magnetic recording - is that each tape has a slightly different sonic signature.  That's why I find digital recording a crashing bore.

By the way, that's a good price on those metals.  Well done!!

Marc



>>> rjlbjk at cox.net 06/24/04 05:38AM >>>
What brand metal tape do you think is the best to use with a Nakamichi CR-7A?

I have some vintage TDK-SA90's that work just fine.  I received a box of 10 Sony metal tapes today and I was completely amazed at the extended high end that it was able to record.

Just wondering if there is that much of a difference in brands.  I bought a box of 10 for $30.

Roland

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 17:36:40 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:36:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
In-Reply-To: <001901c459b0$e2c69dc0$9600000a@lan>
Message-ID: <000001c45a01$0b6a4ec0$81c787d9@oemcomputer>

Hi Laurens

To be honest, I really don't know what he did to the deck.  He used to
modify various decks.  Wouter had his CR-7 done, I believe.  Whatever he did
it improves the quality at the high end.  In my view, the effect on the ZX-9
was to give a richer, fuller sound to that which I got from my bog-standard
CR-7, but I'd love to hear Wouter's CR-7 ...

I seem to recall that, in the archives somewhere, are some pictures Wouter
took of his CR-7 after the modification was done?

Presently, however, Tom is not working on Nak's because he is still in the
employ of Trans Tec who will no longer service the machines.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kemppie
> Sent: 24 June 2004 07:03
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> Hi Gra'
>
> I have a ZX-9 also: what dit Tom do with your ZX-9,
> maybe he can do it do mine also !
>
> Laurens
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > I used a Tom van den Hoff modified ZX-9
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > On 23/06/04 23:24:45, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Thu Jun 24 15:32:21 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:32:21 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Best metal tape brand
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I've been using TDK MA's with good results.

Anthony
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 24 17:59:26 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:59:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
References: <BAY2-F38unLBKKBZW6T0000de5c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV38ox7nyeKz0000004a@hotmail.com>

Today I already know! However, my present in use Prestone, do so well the
job!!!, that till this can will be empty...I have for a while! Thanks so
much for your noble advice!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!


> They ship worldwide!
>
>
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
> >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:57:44 +0200
> >
> >I agree with you! However, I can't obtain Craig Labs items, here in
Israel!
> >So this Prestone with Silicone spray, do the job well!!!
> >
> >Happy Listening,
> >
> >ALEX!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:43 PM
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
> >
> >
> > > The finast chemicals for all things electronic are made by Caig
> >Labs..none
> > > finer!
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>,        "Thomas Siomopoulos"
> > > ><Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>,        "Scott Johnson"
> > > ><p9019 at yahoo.com>,        "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>,
> > > ><kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > > >CC: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>,        KJ
> >Bleus
> > > ><kjbleus at charter.net>,        Arthur Salvatore
> ><arthur at high-endaudio.com>
> > > >Subject: [naktalk] Sorry!!! This Lubricant I use...NOT WD-40!
> > > >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:32:55 +0200
> > > >
> > > > >spray extremely light a WB-40, to all the white Teflon gear,
> > > >Don't you mean WD-40?  The gear are nylon, not Teflon and why would
> > > >you spray a water displacer (WD-40) on the nylon gears.  Those gears
> > > >are only adjusted during calibration of the record and playback head
> > > >height and azimuth! and are typically not lubricated in the first
> > > >place.
> > > >
> > > >I sure hope Kevin didn't follow your advice.
> > > >
> > > >If you wanted to lubricate them, then you should have used a
> > > >lubricant!  WD-40 is NOT a lubricant and should NOT be used like it
> > > >is.  If your deck was going into storage it might be a good idea to
> > > >apply a tin coat of WD-40 to the heads though, since it will
> > > >displace any water that is there and when it dries into a thick gooey
> > > >mess it will protect the heads from moisture and rust.  Of course it
> > > >will need to be cleaned off before use with denatured alcohol, MEK or
> > > >just about any other solvent that does not leave a residue.
> > > >
> > > >The proper points to lube are pinch roller pivot shafts (very common
> > > >for these to gum up on the classis Nak mechanism), cam motor pulley
> > > >shaft, reel hub shaft and capstan shafts.  If any of these have dried
> > > >oil on them, they should be soaked in MEK, >99% alcohol or similar
> > > >solvent to remove the old oil, before being relubricated.
> > > >
> > > >SJ.
> > > >
> > > >My deepest Apologies!
> > > >
> > > >This is the Lubricant that I use...NOT the WD-40!
> > > >
> > > >Was my mistake, however this really work!
> > > >
> > > >To all those Nak. owners, that also love Photography, here is my
second
> >try
> > > >of my received Nikon D-70, in manual position speed 1/10 + a NOT
> >original
> > > >Nikon flash, nut my excellent vintage one Metz CT-34/4. totally Auto,
> >and
> > > >not "Dedicated", F-11, at 70mm telephoto lens setting and less that
one
> > > >meter from the Dragon. Sent as it!!!! No correction at all!!!
> > > >
> > > >I hope that a Photo, will speak more that 1,000 words!!! All you
> >agree????
> > > >
> > > >Happy listening,
> > > >
> > > >ALEX!
> > > >
> > > ><< PHOTOS420.jpg >>
> > >
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From josephj69 at juno.com  Fri Jun 25 05:58:04 2004
From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:58:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static coming
	from one channel
Message-ID: <20040624.235805.-519533.2.josephj69@juno.com>

Hi guys, 

I know I haven't posted in ages, but I recall that many people here, like
Stephen and Kanan, have been
helpful in the past when my gear started acting up.  So I'm going to bug
you with my problems again.  :)

I'm having a problem with a newly acquired (used) Audio Note M-Zero
preamp. There is a scratchy sounding static-like noise coming out of the
right channel. The noise does not shift channels, even if I turn the
balance control all the way to left. It does get louder when I turn up
the volume. The sound is generally constant – not just when I touch the
volume control. I also notice that the right channel is slightly louder
than the left channel, requiring adjustment of the balance control to an
off-center position. The former owner never had a problem, so this could
have occurred in transit. The unit looks mint and unabused, and cannot be
more than a few years old. 

I have tried the unit with different amplifiers, with different cables,
and using different source components, so I have isolated the problem to
the preamp itself. I have also tried setting up the unit in different
rooms in the house, so I don't believe this is an interaction with an
external component. The static does shift channels if I reverse the Left
and Right interconnect cables to the amplifier. 

While I am not technically inclined, my guess is that something is wrong
with the volume control pot. However, I am not sure whether this is
something that can be cured with simple contact cleaner. Does the fact
the static is in only one channel (and does not move even when the
balance control is adjusted) indicate that there is a problem with
something other than the volume control? 

For those who aren’t familiar, the M-Zero is a fairly simple affair using
one tube in the output stage. I have since dropped in my old Antique
Sound Lab Wave Line 1 preamp, which is a very similar single-tube design.
Not only is the static gone, but I noticed that there is less background
hiss in both channels with the ASL when the volume is turned up. 

I guess my questions are as follows: 

[1] Do you think the problem is indeed with the volume control pot? 

[2] If it is the volume control, is it something that basic contact
cleaner can remedy? 

[3] If replacement of the pot is absolutely necessary, I will have to pay
someone to do the work. I am not skilled at soldering, and I don’t have
the necessary tools. If I must pay for service, should I have it replaced
with an actual attenuator, and if so, is there a suitable drop-in
replacement for the M-Zero? I would think the M-One or M-Two use a better
attenuator, so I’m hoping there's a direct drop in part. I have e-mailed
Audio Note UK on this, but so far no response. 

I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to cover all bases. If anyone
has any advice or input, I would greatly appreciate it. 

Thanks in advance, 
Joe

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From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl  Fri Jun 25 10:24:42 2004
From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:24:42 UT
Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Catalogue
Message-ID: <200406250824.i5P8ObsV024606@smtp10.hccnet.nl>

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From lyra at abc.lt  Fri Jun 25 10:36:17 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:36:17 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static
	comingfrom one channel
References: <20040624.235805.-519533.2.josephj69@juno.com>
Message-ID: <005301c45a8f$7c39ea50$040310ac@lyra2>

Hi Joe,

I think you have to replace the tube. Tung-Sol 6111WA is recommended.

Tadas


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From: <josephj69 at juno.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 06:58
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static comingfrom
one channel


Hi guys,

I know I haven't posted in ages, but I recall that many people here, like
Stephen and Kanan, have been
helpful in the past when my gear started acting up.  So I'm going to bug
you with my problems again.  :)

I'm having a problem with a newly acquired (used) Audio Note M-Zero
preamp. There is a scratchy sounding static-like noise coming out of the
right channel. The noise does not shift channels, even if I turn the
balance control all the way to left. It does get louder when I turn up
the volume. The sound is generally constant - not just when I touch the
volume control. I also notice that the right channel is slightly louder
than the left channel, requiring adjustment of the balance control to an
off-center position. The former owner never had a problem, so this could
have occurred in transit. The unit looks mint and unabused, and cannot be
more than a few years old.

I have tried the unit with different amplifiers, with different cables,
and using different source components, so I have isolated the problem to
the preamp itself. I have also tried setting up the unit in different
rooms in the house, so I don't believe this is an interaction with an
external component. The static does shift channels if I reverse the Left
and Right interconnect cables to the amplifier.

While I am not technically inclined, my guess is that something is wrong
with the volume control pot. However, I am not sure whether this is
something that can be cured with simple contact cleaner. Does the fact
the static is in only one channel (and does not move even when the
balance control is adjusted) indicate that there is a problem with
something other than the volume control?

For those who aren't familiar, the M-Zero is a fairly simple affair using
one tube in the output stage. I have since dropped in my old Antique
Sound Lab Wave Line 1 preamp, which is a very similar single-tube design.
Not only is the static gone, but I noticed that there is less background
hiss in both channels with the ASL when the volume is turned up.

I guess my questions are as follows:

[1] Do you think the problem is indeed with the volume control pot?

[2] If it is the volume control, is it something that basic contact
cleaner can remedy?

[3] If replacement of the pot is absolutely necessary, I will have to pay
someone to do the work. I am not skilled at soldering, and I don't have
the necessary tools. If I must pay for service, should I have it replaced
with an actual attenuator, and if so, is there a suitable drop-in
replacement for the M-Zero? I would think the M-One or M-Two use a better
attenuator, so I'm hoping there's a direct drop in part. I have e-mailed
Audio Note UK on this, but so far no response.

I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to cover all bases. If anyone
has any advice or input, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,
Joe

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 25 12:07:33 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:07:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Catalogue
References: <200406250824.i5P8ObsV024606@smtp10.hccnet.nl>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV9yGz2stY3U00004f42@hotmail.com>

Shalom Jannis!

Try to clean very carefully all pinch rollers, and heads! I use pure 100
alcohol! and works well, I ALWAYS...clean all theses important sector after
playing or recording 5 100 minutes cassettes.

Happy listening,
ALEX!
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Catalogue


> Hello fellow naktalkers.
>
> Has any of u ever seen this?
>
> http://www.audiofederation.com/catalog/index.htm
>
>
> BTW. I just discoovered that one of my two CR7s is chewing tapes. Is there
an easy and cheap solution to this problem or must the deck be serviced by a
Nak technician?
>
> Jannis


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 25 12:14:10 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:14:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has
	staticcomingfrom one channel
References: <20040624.235805.-519533.2.josephj69@juno.com>
	<005301c45a8f$7c39ea50$040310ac@lyra2>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV16yVzt2YAT00005001@hotmail.com>

Hi Joe!

I own a ARC-SP-9/2,and after that was gifted received by me..., I exchanged
those Chinese 6DJ8 tubes, by NOS ones Mullard UK 6DJ8...and from
there...flawless sound!!!
For so...before expelling money, acquire the necessary tube, preferable NOS
one, made in US...if possible!!!, and maybe...all will be OK again! Audio
Note...use highly quality pots!, to my sole knowledge...SO...the tube may be
the reason of all your problems!!!

Inform us, the results...please...Joe! Thanks!!!

ALEX!
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From: "Tadas Motiejunas" <lyra at abc.lt>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has
staticcomingfrom one channel


> Hi Joe,
>
> I think you have to replace the tube. Tung-Sol 6111WA is recommended.
>
> Tadas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <josephj69 at juno.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 06:58
> Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static
comingfrom
> one channel
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I know I haven't posted in ages, but I recall that many people here, like
> Stephen and Kanan, have been
> helpful in the past when my gear started acting up.  So I'm going to bug
> you with my problems again.  :)
>
> I'm having a problem with a newly acquired (used) Audio Note M-Zero
> preamp. There is a scratchy sounding static-like noise coming out of the
> right channel. The noise does not shift channels, even if I turn the
> balance control all the way to left. It does get louder when I turn up
> the volume. The sound is generally constant - not just when I touch the
> volume control. I also notice that the right channel is slightly louder
> than the left channel, requiring adjustment of the balance control to an
> off-center position. The former owner never had a problem, so this could
> have occurred in transit. The unit looks mint and unabused, and cannot be
> more than a few years old.
>
> I have tried the unit with different amplifiers, with different cables,
> and using different source components, so I have isolated the problem to
> the preamp itself. I have also tried setting up the unit in different
> rooms in the house, so I don't believe this is an interaction with an
> external component. The static does shift channels if I reverse the Left
> and Right interconnect cables to the amplifier.
>
> While I am not technically inclined, my guess is that something is wrong
> with the volume control pot. However, I am not sure whether this is
> something that can be cured with simple contact cleaner. Does the fact
> the static is in only one channel (and does not move even when the
> balance control is adjusted) indicate that there is a problem with
> something other than the volume control?
>
> For those who aren't familiar, the M-Zero is a fairly simple affair using
> one tube in the output stage. I have since dropped in my old Antique
> Sound Lab Wave Line 1 preamp, which is a very similar single-tube design.
> Not only is the static gone, but I noticed that there is less background
> hiss in both channels with the ASL when the volume is turned up.
>
> I guess my questions are as follows:
>
> [1] Do you think the problem is indeed with the volume control pot?
>
> [2] If it is the volume control, is it something that basic contact
> cleaner can remedy?
>
> [3] If replacement of the pot is absolutely necessary, I will have to pay
> someone to do the work. I am not skilled at soldering, and I don't have
> the necessary tools. If I must pay for service, should I have it replaced
> with an actual attenuator, and if so, is there a suitable drop-in
> replacement for the M-Zero? I would think the M-One or M-Two use a better
> attenuator, so I'm hoping there's a direct drop in part. I have e-mailed
> Audio Note UK on this, but so far no response.
>
> I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to cover all bases. If anyone
> has any advice or input, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe
>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri Jun 25 14:26:58 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:26:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static coming
	from one channel
In-Reply-To: <20040624.235805.-519533.2.josephj69@juno.com>
References: <20040624.235805.-519533.2.josephj69@juno.com>
Message-ID: <40DC1A12.3090900@rcn.com>

josephj69 at juno.com wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>I know I haven't posted in ages, but I recall that many people here, like
>Stephen and Kanan, have been
>helpful in the past when my gear started acting up.  So I'm going to bug
>you with my problems again.  :)
>
>I'm having a problem with a newly acquired (used) Audio Note M-Zero
>preamp. There is a scratchy sounding static-like noise coming out of the
>right channel. The noise does not shift channels, even if I turn the
>balance control all the way to left. It does get louder when I turn up
>the volume. The sound is generally constant - not just when I touch the
>volume control. I also notice that the right channel is slightly louder
>than the left channel, requiring adjustment of the balance control to an
>off-center position. The former owner never had a problem, so this could
>have occurred in transit. The unit looks mint and unabused, and cannot be
>more than a few years old.
>
>I have tried the unit with different amplifiers, with different cables,
>and using different source components, so I have isolated the problem to
>the preamp itself. I have also tried setting up the unit in different
>rooms in the house, so I don't believe this is an interaction with an
>external component. The static does shift channels if I reverse the Left
>and Right interconnect cables to the amplifier.
>
>While I am not technically inclined, my guess is that something is wrong
>with the volume control pot. However, I am not sure whether this is
>something that can be cured with simple contact cleaner. Does the fact
>the static is in only one channel (and does not move even when the
>balance control is adjusted) indicate that there is a problem with
>something other than the volume control?
>
>For those who aren't familiar, the M-Zero is a fairly simple affair using
>one tube in the output stage. I have since dropped in my old Antique
>Sound Lab Wave Line 1 preamp, which is a very similar single-tube design.
>Not only is the static gone, but I noticed that there is less background
>hiss in both channels with the ASL when the volume is turned up.
>
>I guess my questions are as follows:
>
>[1] Do you think the problem is indeed with the volume control pot?

Not necessarily. Could be any component between the input
and the volume control. I am not familiar with the circuit, but
if the volume control follows the tube, it could be the tube. I
would also suspect any cap or resistor. As to the hiss, I would
 certainly suspect the tube.

>[2] If it is the volume control, is it something that basic contact
>cleaner can remedy?
>
Normally, yes. Especially if the noise is present in any control setting.

>[3] If replacement of the pot is absolutely necessary, I will have to pay
>someone to do the work. I am not skilled at soldering, and I don't have
>the necessary tools. If I must pay for service, should I have it replaced
>with an actual attenuator ...
>
The volume control *is* an actual attenuator.

-- Ron

>... and if so, is there a suitable drop-in
>replacement for the M-Zero? I would think the M-One or M-Two use a better
>attenuator, so I'm hoping there's a direct drop in part. I have e-mailed
>Audio Note UK on this, but so far no response.
>
>I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to cover all bases. If anyone
>has any advice or input, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Joe
>  
>




From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Jun 25 13:25:34 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 7:25:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static coming
Message-ID: <20040625112535.BWAN29186.lakermmtao01.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Joe,

My guess is still the volume or balance pots.  Most of those pots are ganged which means that even though you are turning one knob, there are two pots attached to one shaft so both turn at the same time.

I had a Nikko pre-amp that use to do the same thing.


> 
> From: josephj69 at juno.com
> Date: 2004/06/24 Thu PM 11:58:04 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static coming
> 	from one channel
> 
> Hi guys, 
> 
> I know I haven't posted in ages, but I recall that many people here, like
> Stephen and Kanan, have been
> helpful in the past when my gear started acting up.  So I'm going to bug
> you with my problems again.  :)
> 
> I'm having a problem with a newly acquired (used) Audio Note M-Zero
> preamp. There is a scratchy sounding static-like noise coming out of the
> right channel. The noise does not shift channels, even if I turn the
> balance control all the way to left. It does get louder when I turn up
> the volume. The sound is generally constant – not just when I touch the
> volume control. I also notice that the right channel is slightly louder
> than the left channel, requiring adjustment of the balance control to an
> off-center position. The former owner never had a problem, so this could
> have occurred in transit. The unit looks mint and unabused, and cannot be
> more than a few years old. 
> 
> I have tried the unit with different amplifiers, with different cables,
> and using different source components, so I have isolated the problem to
> the preamp itself. I have also tried setting up the unit in different
> rooms in the house, so I don't believe this is an interaction with an
> external component. The static does shift channels if I reverse the Left
> and Right interconnect cables to the amplifier. 
> 
> While I am not technically inclined, my guess is that something is wrong
> with the volume control pot. However, I am not sure whether this is
> something that can be cured with simple contact cleaner. Does the fact
> the static is in only one channel (and does not move even when the
> balance control is adjusted) indicate that there is a problem with
> something other than the volume control? 
> 
> For those who aren’t familiar, the M-Zero is a fairly simple affair using
> one tube in the output stage. I have since dropped in my old Antique
> Sound Lab Wave Line 1 preamp, which is a very similar single-tube design.
> Not only is the static gone, but I noticed that there is less background
> hiss in both channels with the ASL when the volume is turned up. 
> 
> I guess my questions are as follows: 
> 
> [1] Do you think the problem is indeed with the volume control pot? 
> 
> [2] If it is the volume control, is it something that basic contact
> cleaner can remedy? 
> 
> [3] If replacement of the pot is absolutely necessary, I will have to pay
> someone to do the work. I am not skilled at soldering, and I don’t have
> the necessary tools. If I must pay for service, should I have it replaced
> with an actual attenuator, and if so, is there a suitable drop-in
> replacement for the M-Zero? I would think the M-One or M-Two use a better
> attenuator, so I’m hoping there's a direct drop in part. I have e-mailed
> Audio Note UK on this, but so far no response. 
> 
> I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to cover all bases. If anyone
> has any advice or input, I would greatly appreciate it. 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> Joe
> 
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From josephj69 at juno.com  Fri Jun 25 15:46:20 2004
From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:46:20 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static coming fr
	om one channel
Message-ID: <20040625.064651.4802.105235@webmail23.lax.untd.com>


Tadas, Alex, Ron... I think you're all correct.  It probably is the tube.  I received a reply from Audio Note UK today, and they said it's just a noisy 6111WA tube that needs replacement.  Since it's the only tue in the unit, there's really no guesswork involved.  

Does anyone have a suggestion on a good NOS 6111WA tube?  Since it's only one little tube, cost is not a major concern.  

Thanks again, 
Joe


-- Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com> wrote:
josephj69 at juno.com wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>I know I haven't posted in ages, but I recall that many people here, like
>Stephen and Kanan, have been
>helpful in the past when my gear started acting up.  So I'm going to bug
>you with my problems again.  :)
>
>I'm having a problem with a newly acquired (used) Audio Note M-Zero
>preamp. There is a scratchy sounding static-like noise coming out of the
>right channel. The noise does not shift channels, even if I turn the
>balance control all the way to left. It does get louder when I turn up
>the volume. The sound is generally constant - not just when I touch the
>volume control. I also notice that the right channel is slightly louder
>than the left channel, requiring adjustment of the balance control to an
>off-center position. The former owner never had a problem, so this could
>have occurred in transit. The unit looks mint and unabused, and cannot be
>more than a few years old.
>
>I have tried the unit with different amplifiers, with different cables,
>and using different source components, so I have isolated the problem to
>the preamp itself. I have also tried setting up the unit in different
>rooms in the house, so I don't believe this is an interaction with an
>external component. The static does shift channels if I reverse the Left
>and Right interconnect cables to the amplifier.
>
>While I am not technically inclined, my guess is that something is wrong
>with the volume control pot. However, I am not sure whether this is
>something that can be cured with simple contact cleaner. Does the fact
>the static is in only one channel (and does not move even when the
>balance control is adjusted) indicate that there is a problem with
>something other than the volume control?
>
>For those who aren't familiar, the M-Zero is a fairly simple affair using
>one tube in the output stage. I have since dropped in my old Antique
>Sound Lab Wave Line 1 preamp, which is a very similar single-tube design.
>Not only is the static gone, but I noticed that there is less background
>hiss in both channels with the ASL when the volume is turned up.
>
>I guess my questions are as follows:
>
>[1] Do you think the problem is indeed with the volume control pot?

Not necessarily. Could be any component between the input
and the volume control. I am not familiar with the circuit, but
if the volume control follows the tube, it could be the tube. I
would also suspect any cap or resistor. As to the hiss, I would
 certainly suspect the tube.

>[2] If it is the volume control, is it something that basic contact
>cleaner can remedy?
>
Normally, yes. Especially if the noise is present in any control setting.

>[3] If replacement of the pot is absolutely necessary, I will have to pay
>someone to do the work. I am not skilled at soldering, and I don't have
>the necessary tools. If I must pay for service, should I have it replaced
>with an actual attenuator ...
>
The volume control *is* an actual attenuator.

-- Ron

>... and if so, is there a suitable drop-in
>replacement for the M-Zero? I would think the M-One or M-Two use a better
>attenuator, so I'm hoping there's a direct drop in part. I have e-mailed
>Audio Note UK on this, but so far no response.
>
>I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to cover all bases. If anyone
>has any advice or input, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Joe
>  
>


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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 25 16:08:24 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:08:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero hasstaticcomingfrom
	one channel
Message-ID: <BAY2-F42FYsDSzhxRz3000092fa@hotmail.com>

Joe:

My ARC Sp-15 Mk2 has the Russian 6922 tubes......I have over 15K hours on 
those babies...and the sound is still FAB!

Also have ARC V-140 monos in black with the Kt-90 tubes...mint...up for sale 
with about 450 hours on them...need room...apts in NYC are not known for 
their size....I want these to go to a good home!

Neil


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero 
>hasstaticcomingfrom one channel
>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:14:10 +0200
>
>Hi Joe!
>
>I own a ARC-SP-9/2,and after that was gifted received by me..., I exchanged
>those Chinese 6DJ8 tubes, by NOS ones Mullard UK 6DJ8...and from
>there...flawless sound!!!
>For so...before expelling money, acquire the necessary tube, preferable NOS
>one, made in US...if possible!!!, and maybe...all will be OK again! Audio
>Note...use highly quality pots!, to my sole knowledge...SO...the tube may 
>be
>the reason of all your problems!!!
>
>Inform us, the results...please...Joe! Thanks!!!
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tadas Motiejunas" <lyra at abc.lt>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has
>staticcomingfrom one channel
>
>
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > I think you have to replace the tube. Tung-Sol 6111WA is recommended.
> >
> > Tadas
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <josephj69 at juno.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 06:58
> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static
>comingfrom
> > one channel
> >
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I know I haven't posted in ages, but I recall that many people here, 
>like
> > Stephen and Kanan, have been
> > helpful in the past when my gear started acting up.  So I'm going to bug
> > you with my problems again.  :)
> >
> > I'm having a problem with a newly acquired (used) Audio Note M-Zero
> > preamp. There is a scratchy sounding static-like noise coming out of the
> > right channel. The noise does not shift channels, even if I turn the
> > balance control all the way to left. It does get louder when I turn up
> > the volume. The sound is generally constant - not just when I touch the
> > volume control. I also notice that the right channel is slightly louder
> > than the left channel, requiring adjustment of the balance control to an
> > off-center position. The former owner never had a problem, so this could
> > have occurred in transit. The unit looks mint and unabused, and cannot 
>be
> > more than a few years old.
> >
> > I have tried the unit with different amplifiers, with different cables,
> > and using different source components, so I have isolated the problem to
> > the preamp itself. I have also tried setting up the unit in different
> > rooms in the house, so I don't believe this is an interaction with an
> > external component. The static does shift channels if I reverse the Left
> > and Right interconnect cables to the amplifier.
> >
> > While I am not technically inclined, my guess is that something is wrong
> > with the volume control pot. However, I am not sure whether this is
> > something that can be cured with simple contact cleaner. Does the fact
> > the static is in only one channel (and does not move even when the
> > balance control is adjusted) indicate that there is a problem with
> > something other than the volume control?
> >
> > For those who aren't familiar, the M-Zero is a fairly simple affair 
>using
> > one tube in the output stage. I have since dropped in my old Antique
> > Sound Lab Wave Line 1 preamp, which is a very similar single-tube 
>design.
> > Not only is the static gone, but I noticed that there is less background
> > hiss in both channels with the ASL when the volume is turned up.
> >
> > I guess my questions are as follows:
> >
> > [1] Do you think the problem is indeed with the volume control pot?
> >
> > [2] If it is the volume control, is it something that basic contact
> > cleaner can remedy?
> >
> > [3] If replacement of the pot is absolutely necessary, I will have to 
>pay
> > someone to do the work. I am not skilled at soldering, and I don't have
> > the necessary tools. If I must pay for service, should I have it 
>replaced
> > with an actual attenuator, and if so, is there a suitable drop-in
> > replacement for the M-Zero? I would think the M-One or M-Two use a 
>better
> > attenuator, so I'm hoping there's a direct drop in part. I have e-mailed
> > Audio Note UK on this, but so far no response.
> >
> > I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to cover all bases. If 
>anyone
> > has any advice or input, I would greatly appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Joe
> >
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From michael.martorana at ntlworld.com  Sat Jun 26 02:45:28 2004
From: michael.martorana at ntlworld.com (Michael G Martorana)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 01:45:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Marathon Tape II
Message-ID: <014b01c45b16$e0ac1a80$a3a70152@Michael>


Hi Carlos

could I please have a set of the Marathon Tape II,  I'll send the money by post.

Cheers

Michael


> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 23 June 2004 03:16
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> Importance: High
>
>
> Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were
> produced. The
> first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume
> generated from the
> San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
> promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
>
> The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
> shipping remains the same as last project:
>
> $10.00 domestic
> $20.00 international
>
> Those interested already know what to do:
>
> send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
>
> Carlos J Guzman
> 51 Calle Batey
> Luquillo, PR 00773
>
> All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
>
> Thanks !
>
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From sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net  Sat Jun 26 07:20:17 2004
From: sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net (Steve Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:20:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck 2 "counter search" button
Message-ID: <001601c45b3d$4711fb70$0200a8c0@down>

 I recently acquired a Cassette Deck 2 at a garage sale of all places. I notice it has a "counter search" button. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what its function is, I cant seem to figure it out.
The deck itself is very simple, similar to my CR-1 that's now on Ebay so I can make room for the new acquisition. 
I also noticed the capstan continues to spin on the cassette deck 2 until its turned off, I'm guessing due to the gear drive? So now I feel more compelled to turn off the machine when not in use.
All seems to be working great on the new deck, oh yeah and the best part was it was stacked on top of a Sony CD Changer and I walked away with both for $15.00. Best garage sale in a long time.

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jun 26 21:26:39 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:26:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Marathon Tape II
References: <014b01c45b16$e0ac1a80$a3a70152@Michael>
Message-ID: <002901c45bb3$aa945d20$45773242@CopyTech>

Sure Mike. Thanks !
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael G Martorana 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:45 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Marathon Tape II



  Hi Carlos

  could I please have a set of the Marathon Tape II,  I'll send the money by post.

  Cheers

  Michael


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
  > Behalf Of El Magnifico
  > Sent: 23 June 2004 03:16
  > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
  > Importance: High
  >
  >
  > Marathon tape mark II mastering is ready. Only 2 volumes were
  > produced. The
  > first one has 17 tracks and the second one is the volume
  > generated from the
  > San Francisco's session. A superb work of art and sound, the Mark II
  > promised to be in the same standard as volume 1.
  >
  > The cooperation fee for duplication, mastering, labeling, materials and
  > shipping remains the same as last project:
  >
  > $10.00 domestic
  > $20.00 international
  >
  > Those interested already know what to do:
  >
  > send me an email confirming your set and send your check to:
  >
  > Carlos J Guzman
  > 51 Calle Batey
  > Luquillo, PR 00773
  >
  > All in US FUNDS ONLY, please. I can't do nothing with euros $$ ...
  >
  > Thanks !
  >
  > Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jun 26 21:29:13 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:29:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Marathon MkII (Bleus Request)
Message-ID: <004801c45bb3$dd8f5bd0$45773242@CopyTech>

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: KJ Bleus 
To: El Magnifico 
Cc: KJ Bleus 
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: Marathon MkII (Bleus Request)


Carlos,

Marathon MkII web page is partially updated, somewhat incomplete due to missing info.  Good enough though to get things moving forward.  Let's announce that there is a playlist now posted.  You should post an email to NakTalk with the vital web link......

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon2004.html

Regards,

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From georgeross at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jun 26 11:40:43 2004
From: georgeross at blueyonder.co.uk (George Ross)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:40:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck 2 "counter search" button
References: <001601c45b3d$4711fb70$0200a8c0@down>
Message-ID: <001601c45b61$a667eac0$66782852@psn3t>

Quite a bargain!

The counter search, when pressed, will rewind the tape to 0000, ie wherever you chose to zero the tape.

Cheers

George
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Schmidt 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 6:20 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck 2 "counter search" button


   I recently acquired a Cassette Deck 2 at a garage sale of all places. I notice it has a "counter search" button. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what its function is, I cant seem to figure it out.
  The deck itself is very simple, similar to my CR-1 that's now on Ebay so I can make room for the new acquisition. 
  I also noticed the capstan continues to spin on the cassette deck 2 until its turned off, I'm guessing due to the gear drive? So now I feel more compelled to turn off the machine when not in use.
  All seems to be working great on the new deck, oh yeah and the best part was it was stacked on top of a Sony CD Changer and I walked away with both for $15.00. Best garage sale in a long time.

  Steve


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From lyra at abc.lt  Sat Jun 26 12:07:17 2004
From: lyra at abc.lt (Tadas Motiejunas)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:07:17 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static coming
	from one channel
References: <20040625.064651.4802.105235@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <005301c45b65$5cc86d00$040310ac@lyra2>

Dear Joe,

Tung-Sol 6111WA is great, but rare. If you won't be able to find it at your
location, please let me know, I still have some of them.

Have a nice weekend!

Tadas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <josephj69 at juno.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 16:46
Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static coming
from one channel


>
> Tadas, Alex, Ron... I think you're all correct.  It probably is the tube.
I received a reply from Audio Note UK today, and they said it's just a noisy
6111WA tube that needs replacement.  Since it's the only tue in the unit,
there's really no guesswork involved.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on a good NOS 6111WA tube?  Since it's only
one little tube, cost is not a major concern.
>
> Thanks again,
> Joe
>
>
> -- Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com> wrote:
> josephj69 at juno.com wrote:
>
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >I know I haven't posted in ages, but I recall that many people here, like
> >Stephen and Kanan, have been
> >helpful in the past when my gear started acting up.  So I'm going to bug
> >you with my problems again.  :)
> >
> >I'm having a problem with a newly acquired (used) Audio Note M-Zero
> >preamp. There is a scratchy sounding static-like noise coming out of the
> >right channel. The noise does not shift channels, even if I turn the
> >balance control all the way to left. It does get louder when I turn up
> >the volume. The sound is generally constant - not just when I touch the
> >volume control. I also notice that the right channel is slightly louder
> >than the left channel, requiring adjustment of the balance control to an
> >off-center position. The former owner never had a problem, so this could
> >have occurred in transit. The unit looks mint and unabused, and cannot be
> >more than a few years old.
> >
> >I have tried the unit with different amplifiers, with different cables,
> >and using different source components, so I have isolated the problem to
> >the preamp itself. I have also tried setting up the unit in different
> >rooms in the house, so I don't believe this is an interaction with an
> >external component. The static does shift channels if I reverse the Left
> >and Right interconnect cables to the amplifier.
> >
> >While I am not technically inclined, my guess is that something is wrong
> >with the volume control pot. However, I am not sure whether this is
> >something that can be cured with simple contact cleaner. Does the fact
> >the static is in only one channel (and does not move even when the
> >balance control is adjusted) indicate that there is a problem with
> >something other than the volume control?
> >
> >For those who aren't familiar, the M-Zero is a fairly simple affair using
> >one tube in the output stage. I have since dropped in my old Antique
> >Sound Lab Wave Line 1 preamp, which is a very similar single-tube design.
> >Not only is the static gone, but I noticed that there is less background
> >hiss in both channels with the ASL when the volume is turned up.
> >
> >I guess my questions are as follows:
> >
> >[1] Do you think the problem is indeed with the volume control pot?
>
> Not necessarily. Could be any component between the input
> and the volume control. I am not familiar with the circuit, but
> if the volume control follows the tube, it could be the tube. I
> would also suspect any cap or resistor. As to the hiss, I would
>  certainly suspect the tube.
>
> >[2] If it is the volume control, is it something that basic contact
> >cleaner can remedy?
> >
> Normally, yes. Especially if the noise is present in any control setting.
>
> >[3] If replacement of the pot is absolutely necessary, I will have to pay
> >someone to do the work. I am not skilled at soldering, and I don't have
> >the necessary tools. If I must pay for service, should I have it replaced
> >with an actual attenuator ...
> >
> The volume control *is* an actual attenuator.
>
> -- Ron
>
> >... and if so, is there a suitable drop-in
> >replacement for the M-Zero? I would think the M-One or M-Two use a better
> >attenuator, so I'm hoping there's a direct drop in part. I have e-mailed
> >Audio Note UK on this, but so far no response.
> >
> >I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to cover all bases. If anyone
> >has any advice or input, I would greatly appreciate it.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Joe
> >
> >
>
>
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Jun 27 05:48:04 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:48:04 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Marathon MkII (Bleus Request)
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5A0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hey Bleus, my details need changing. The song I sent was called "Lost in the
stars" performed by Martin L. Gore, and it was recorded on a RX505.
 
    Thanks again guys for the top work that you are doing.
 
    Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] 
Sent: Sunday, 27 June 2004 5:29 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Marathon MkII (Bleus Request)


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From: KJ Bleus <mailto:kjbleus at charter.net>  
To: El  <mailto:copytec at coqui.net> Magnifico 
Cc: KJ Bleus <mailto:kjbleus at charter.net>  
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: Marathon MkII (Bleus Request)

Carlos,
 
Marathon MkII web page is partially updated, somewhat incomplete due to
missing info.  Good enough though to get things moving forward.  Let's
announce that there is a playlist now posted.  You should post an email to
NakTalk with the vital web link......
 
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon2004.html
<http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon2004.html> 
 
Regards,
 
Bleus de Nakker
 
 

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From teethrus at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun 27 16:41:05 2004
From: teethrus at bigpond.net.au (Nick Mega)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:41:05 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
Message-ID: <40DEDC81.2070107@bigpond.net.au>

Hi Guys
I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback 
sound is not right...
the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its azimuth 
and head height.
Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust 
this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would 
generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then play it 
thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes in my 
theory only do it gently.
Any help will be apprecited
Cheers
Nick mega
Australia


From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Jun 28 00:15:23 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5A1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record two test
tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz tone at
around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that it is in
good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head deck this
procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded the tones on
a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback the 400Hz
reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height until both
needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you need to
playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles point to
(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting your
alignment back into place. I have used this method before on my BX300, 680ZX
and my ZX9 with no trouble. 

	Hope this helps you out Nick.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Mega [mailto:teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


Hi Guys
I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback 
sound is not right...
the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its azimuth 
and head height.
Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust 
this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would 
generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then play it 
thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes in my 
theory only do it gently.
Any help will be apprecited
Cheers
Nick mega
Australia
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Jun 27 22:02:43 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (pr)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:02:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
References: <40DEDC81.2070107@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <000501c45c81$b5a013c0$2e3c4d51@prqlvobza2uqae>

you should have a test tone made on an  accuratly set deck firdt of all
perhaps you know or have a cerrectly set deck to record it on
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Mega" <teethrus at bigpond.net.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 3:41 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


> Hi Guys
> I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback
> sound is not right...
> the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its azimuth
> and head height.
> Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust
> this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would
> generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then play it
> thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes in my
> theory only do it gently.
> Any help will be apprecited
> Cheers
> Nick mega
> Australia
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 28 04:28:48 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:28:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
Message-ID: <BAY2-F8v4IofvXYouAo00037fd5@hotmail.com>

Tom:

How do I do this on my RX-505?

Neil


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
>
>Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record two test
>tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz tone at
>around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that it is in
>good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head deck this
>procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded the tones on
>a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback the 400Hz
>reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height until both
>needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you need to
>playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles point to
>(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting your
>alignment back into place. I have used this method before on my BX300, 
>680ZX
>and my ZX9 with no trouble.
>
>	Hope this helps you out Nick.
>
>	Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Mega [mailto:teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
>Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>
>
>Hi Guys
>I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback
>sound is not right...
>the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its azimuth
>and head height.
>Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust
>this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would
>generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then play it
>thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes in my
>theory only do it gently.
>Any help will be apprecited
>Cheers
>Nick mega
>Australia
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Mon Jun 28 14:01:07 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 05:01:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5A1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000d01c45d07$98800ee0$bb1a0cd0@r7g1f8>

Tom-

I have a 680ZX and I am familiar with the 400Hz test tone "calibrate
procedure", but how on the 680 do I use the 15KHz tone to further adjust?
Does this require getting into the tape well and doing some professional
adjustment?  Please explain.

Randall in Seattle




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


> Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record two test
> tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz tone at
> around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that it is in
> good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head deck this
> procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded the tones
on
> a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback the 400Hz
> reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height until both
> needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you need to
> playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles point to
> (or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting your
> alignment back into place. I have used this method before on my BX300,
680ZX
> and my ZX9 with no trouble.
>
> Hope this helps you out Nick.
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Mega [mailto:teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
> Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>
>
> Hi Guys
> I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback
> sound is not right...
> the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its azimuth
> and head height.
> Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust
> this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would
> generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then play it
> thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes in my
> theory only do it gently.
> Any help will be apprecited
> Cheers
> Nick mega
> Australia
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From phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 14:36:32 2004
From: phillip at mottob777.fsnet.co.uk (pr)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:36:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5A1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<000d01c45d07$98800ee0$bb1a0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <000701c45d0c$8b3da440$76ba4f51@prqlvobza2uqae>

with the 15k signal adj the azimuth for max output
----- Original Message -----
From: "Babin/Greseth" <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


> Tom-
>
> I have a 680ZX and I am familiar with the 400Hz test tone "calibrate
> procedure", but how on the 680 do I use the 15KHz tone to further adjust?
> Does this require getting into the tape well and doing some professional
> adjustment?  Please explain.
>
> Randall in Seattle
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 3:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>
>
> > Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record two
test
> > tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz tone at
> > around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that it is in
> > good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head deck this
> > procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded the tones
> on
> > a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback the
400Hz
> > reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height until
both
> > needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you need to
> > playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles point
to
> > (or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting your
> > alignment back into place. I have used this method before on my BX300,
> 680ZX
> > and my ZX9 with no trouble.
> >
> > Hope this helps you out Nick.
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick Mega [mailto:teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
> > Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys
> > I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback
> > sound is not right...
> > the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its azimuth
> > and head height.
> > Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust
> > this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would
> > generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then play it
> > thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes in my
> > theory only do it gently.
> > Any help will be apprecited
> > Cheers
> > Nick mega
> > Australia
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Mon Jun 28 14:54:06 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:54:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck 2 "counter search" button
In-Reply-To: <001601c45b3d$4711fb70$0200a8c0@down>
References: <001601c45b3d$4711fb70$0200a8c0@down>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040628084342.0243c120@pop.iquebec.com>

At 01:20 2004/06/26, you wrote:
>  I recently acquired a Cassette Deck 2 at a garage sale of all places. I 
> notice it has a "counter search" button. I was wondering if anyone could 
> tell me what its function is, I cant seem to figure it out.

As someone else mentioned, this is a "search for zero" feature. Wherever 
you had set zero on the counter, the transport will fast forward or rewind 
to this position when you press the button.

>The deck itself is very simple, similar to my CR-1 that's now on Ebay so I 
>can make room for the new acquisition.
>I also noticed the capstan continues to spin on the cassette deck 2 until 
>its turned off, I'm guessing due to the gear drive? So now I feel more 
>compelled to turn off the machine when not in use.

Not related to gear drive. Just to provide marginally faster startup when 
play is pressed. By all means, turn off your CassetteDeck2 when it is not 
in use. If this model has one weakness, this is it. Capstan motors die 
prematurely when machine is left on all the time such as when it is turned 
on by system remote when listening to the radio for hours. I seem to 
remember this was later corrected with the introduction of DR-3 which 
replaced Deck2.

>All seems to be working great on the new deck, oh yeah and the best part 
>was it was stacked on top of a Sony CD Changer and I walked away with both 
>for $15.00. Best garage sale in a long time.
>
>Steve




From imemine2 at att.net  Mon Jun 28 17:15:33 2004
From: imemine2 at att.net (J Chojnowski)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:15:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer>
	<20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org>
	<001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <40E03615.9429815@att.net>

Hi Carlos

Please include me for one set of Marathon Tape MK II.  The check is in
the mail (I hate saying that) and thanks again for your efforts.

joe C - Joseph Chojnowski



From britri at comcast.net  Mon Jun 28 20:37:19 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:37:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5A1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	<000d01c45d07$98800ee0$bb1a0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <40E0655F.10209@comcast.net>

I just bought one of these from ebay and now I see another.  They were 
discussed often for a spell on naktalk and have not heard much about 
them lately.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5707030471&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5707030471&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1>

I just bought this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5706216534&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5706216534&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1>

I don't really need it.   Does anybody want to buy it?

Brian
Stockton/CA




From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jun 29 03:29:24 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:29:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer><20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org><001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
	<40E03615.9429815@att.net>
Message-ID: <001001c45d78$8432b1b0$3c773242@CopyTech>

No problem !

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J Chojnowski" <imemine2 at att.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Hi Carlos
>
> Please include me for one set of Marathon Tape MK II.  The check is in
> the mail (I hate saying that) and thanks again for your efforts.
>
> joe C - Joseph Chojnowski
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Jun 29 00:26:38 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:26:38 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5A5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

It's pretty much the same procedure but with one extra step (this applies to
all nak 3 head units). After you have accurately adjusted the playback head
height and azimuth, you then need to do the record head. Grab yourself a
good blank tape and pop it in your RX505, adjust the eq/bias and turn off
any noise reduction (no B or C). Connect a frequency generator or plug your
pc into the line in of your deck, press the monitor switch to source and
generate the 400Hz tone, adjust record levels until they read 0dB on the
meters. Now press the record button on your deck and press the monitor
switch to tape and look at the meters, are they at 0dB? if not then you need
to adjust the head height screw for the record head until it reaches 0dB (or
close to it). After you have done this you will need to pump in a 15KHz tone
to your deck and this time the levels should be adjusted until the meters
show -20dB. Now continue recording onto the blank tape and look at the
meters, are they at 15KHz? If not adjust your azimuth screw for the record
head until they read -20dB (or close to it).

	Well that's about it, the last thing you should do is record some
music onto your blank tape and play it on another deck and listen to the
quality. If you like what you hear then pat yourself on the back, if you
don't like what you hear then repeat the process - you may have not adjusted
something quite right.

	Please only do this if your deck has been messed around with, do not
adjust the screws if you machine is ok - just my 2 cents.

	Regards,

	Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:29 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


Tom:

How do I do this on my RX-505?

Neil


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
>
>Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record two test
>tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz tone at
>around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that it is in
>good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head deck this
>procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded the tones on
>a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback the 400Hz
>reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height until both
>needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you need to
>playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles point to
>(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting your
>alignment back into place. I have used this method before on my BX300, 
>680ZX
>and my ZX9 with no trouble.
>
>	Hope this helps you out Nick.
>
>	Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Mega [mailto:teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
>Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>
>
>Hi Guys
>I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback
>sound is not right...
>the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its azimuth
>and head height.
>Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust
>this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would
>generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then play it
>thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes in my
>theory only do it gently.
>Any help will be apprecited
>Cheers
>Nick mega
>Australia
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Jun 29 02:15:46 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:15:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
Message-ID: <c54c90c58cd0.c58cd0c54c90@vsnl.net>

Hi Tom and others
the assumption here is that Meter level calibration is fine as well as playback level calibration - which may not be true in most of the used cassette decks! However I have also seen Used Naks in almost pristine alignment and recording condition! 
 A good calibration ( to get to the top performance of any nak ) requires original Nak gauges and alignment tapes plus high bandwidth DMM or AC VTVM / signal generator! The 15 Khz sine wave tone will not be read off exactly as -20 db by many multimeters. Many DIY selfers will get confused over indication of less than -30 to -35dB of perfectly correct -20db 15 Khz signal( Nak meters themselves will show as -30db excepting 582 ' analog meter). 

Any one having correctly aligned deck with regular alignment tapes can make approximate calibration tapes for level and azimuth (while head height cannot be adjusted without orginal Nak tape nor we can duplicate that tape?) you can get to meter level adjustment/ playback level adjustment probably very near record bias & level adjustment using such tapes. 

Also note this find - I found the play azimuth was changing from start of tape to one quarter of very good TDK MA 90 Tape- on Cassette Deck 1. You go to the end of tape the record azimuth change caused the 15 Khz output to fall to 40% of orginal!  So I had adjusted the record head azimuth using the middle portion of MA tape so that the error is equally distributed from the beginning to end. If the capstan belt is slightly slack you will find Azimuth is changing depending on Capstan speed differential continuously- While recorded music does not show variation on listening!!!! So the capstan belt and other associated parts should be functioning well to make the calibration work for you!

 Try peaking of signals on both the channel for 15 Khz azimuth adjustment will do( both should raise not one channel increase while the other decrease which is due to head heigh misalignment - ignore meter reading on Nak decks or your multi meter! 
Sorry for interrupting and this posting is in no way criticizing Tom' guidance which is excellent and informative.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 3:26 pm
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M

> It's pretty much the same procedure but with one extra step (this 
> applies to
> all nak 3 head units). After you have accurately adjusted the 
> playback head
> height and azimuth, you then need to do the record head. Grab 
> yourself a
> good blank tape and pop it in your RX505, adjust the eq/bias and 
> turn off
> any noise reduction (no B or C). Connect a frequency generator or 
> plug your
> pc into the line in of your deck, press the monitor switch to 
> source and
> generate the 400Hz tone, adjust record levels until they read 0dB 
> on the
> meters. Now press the record button on your deck and press the monitor
> switch to tape and look at the meters, are they at 0dB? if not 
> then you need
> to adjust the head height screw for the record head until it 
> reaches 0dB (or
> close to it). After you have done this you will need to pump in a 
> 15KHz tone
> to your deck and this time the levels should be adjusted until the 
> metersshow -20dB. Now continue recording onto the blank tape and 
> look at the
> meters, are they at 15KHz? If not adjust your azimuth screw for 
> the record
> head until they read -20dB (or close to it).
> 
> 	Well that's about it, the last thing you should do is record some
> music onto your blank tape and play it on another deck and listen 
> to the
> quality. If you like what you hear then pat yourself on the back, 
> if you
> don't like what you hear then repeat the process - you may have 
> not adjusted
> something quite right.
> 
> 	Please only do this if your deck has been messed around with, do not
> adjust the screws if you machine is ok - just my 2 cents.
> 
> 	Regards,
> 
> 	Tom Siomopoulos.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neil lipes [neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:29 
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> 
> 
> Tom:
> 
> How do I do this on my RX-505?
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> >From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
> >
> >Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record 
> two test
> >tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz 
> tone at
> >around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that 
> it is in
> >good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head deck this
> >procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded 
> the tones on
> >a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback 
> the 400Hz
> >reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height 
> until both
> >needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you need to
> >playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles 
> point to
> >(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting 
> your>alignment back into place. I have used this method before on 
> my BX300, 
> >680ZX
> >and my ZX9 with no trouble.
> >
> >	Hope this helps you out Nick.
> >
> >	Tom.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Nick Mega [teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
> >Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >
> >
> >Hi Guys
> >I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback
> >sound is not right...
> >the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its 
> azimuth>and head height.
> >Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust
> >this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would
> >generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then 
> play it
> >thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes 
> in my
> >theory only do it gently.
> >Any help will be apprecited
> >Cheers
> >Nick mega
> >Australia
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 29 08:34:31 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:34:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
References: <c54c90c58cd0.c58cd0c54c90@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV3PrvCWO6hm00015335@hotmail.com>

Dear Kannan!

A stupid question!

It's possible that this can happen with my barely used Dragon? As the
playback head I  REALLY HOPE..., is monitoring himself during ALL the
recording/playback cassette length?

Thanks for such noble information!

Happy listening.

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


> Hi Tom and others
> the assumption here is that Meter level calibration is fine as well as
playback level calibration - which may not be true in most of the used
cassette decks! However I have also seen Used Naks in almost pristine
alignment and recording condition!
>  A good calibration ( to get to the top performance of any nak ) requires
original Nak gauges and alignment tapes plus high bandwidth DMM or AC VTVM /
signal generator! The 15 Khz sine wave tone will not be read off exactly
as -20 db by many multimeters. Many DIY selfers will get confused over
indication of less than -30 to -35dB of perfectly correct -20db 15 Khz
signal( Nak meters themselves will show as -30db excepting 582 ' analog
meter).
>
> Any one having correctly aligned deck with regular alignment tapes can
make approximate calibration tapes for level and azimuth (while head height
cannot be adjusted without orginal Nak tape nor we can duplicate that tape?)
you can get to meter level adjustment/ playback level adjustment probably
very near record bias & level adjustment using such tapes.
>
> Also note this find - I found the play azimuth was changing from start of
tape to one quarter of very good TDK MA 90 Tape- on Cassette Deck 1. You go
to the end of tape the record azimuth change caused the 15 Khz output to
fall to 40% of orginal!  So I had adjusted the record head azimuth using the
middle portion of MA tape so that the error is equally distributed from the
beginning to end. If the capstan belt is slightly slack you will find
Azimuth is changing depending on Capstan speed differential continuously-
While recorded music does not show variation on listening!!!! So the capstan
belt and other associated parts should be functioning well to make the
calibration work for you!
>
>  Try peaking of signals on both the channel for 15 Khz azimuth adjustment
will do( both should raise not one channel increase while the other decrease
which is due to head heigh misalignment - ignore meter reading on Nak decks
or your multi meter!
> Sorry for interrupting and this posting is in no way criticizing Tom'
guidance which is excellent and informative.
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 3:26 pm
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>
> > It's pretty much the same procedure but with one extra step (this
> > applies to
> > all nak 3 head units). After you have accurately adjusted the
> > playback head
> > height and azimuth, you then need to do the record head. Grab
> > yourself a
> > good blank tape and pop it in your RX505, adjust the eq/bias and
> > turn off
> > any noise reduction (no B or C). Connect a frequency generator or
> > plug your
> > pc into the line in of your deck, press the monitor switch to
> > source and
> > generate the 400Hz tone, adjust record levels until they read 0dB
> > on the
> > meters. Now press the record button on your deck and press the monitor
> > switch to tape and look at the meters, are they at 0dB? if not
> > then you need
> > to adjust the head height screw for the record head until it
> > reaches 0dB (or
> > close to it). After you have done this you will need to pump in a
> > 15KHz tone
> > to your deck and this time the levels should be adjusted until the
> > metersshow -20dB. Now continue recording onto the blank tape and
> > look at the
> > meters, are they at 15KHz? If not adjust your azimuth screw for
> > the record
> > head until they read -20dB (or close to it).
> >
> > Well that's about it, the last thing you should do is record some
> > music onto your blank tape and play it on another deck and listen
> > to the
> > quality. If you like what you hear then pat yourself on the back,
> > if you
> > don't like what you hear then repeat the process - you may have
> > not adjusted
> > something quite right.
> >
> > Please only do this if your deck has been messed around with, do not
> > adjust the screws if you machine is ok - just my 2 cents.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tom Siomopoulos.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: neil lipes [neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:29
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >
> >
> > Tom:
> >
> > How do I do this on my RX-505?
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> > >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
> > >
> > >Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record
> > two test
> > >tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz
> > tone at
> > >around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that
> > it is in
> > >good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head deck this
> > >procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded
> > the tones on
> > >a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback
> > the 400Hz
> > >reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height
> > until both
> > >needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you need to
> > >playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles
> > point to
> > >(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting
> > your>alignment back into place. I have used this method before on
> > my BX300,
> > >680ZX
> > >and my ZX9 with no trouble.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps you out Nick.
> > >
> > > Tom.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Nick Mega [teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
> > >Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
> > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Guys
> > >I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback
> > >sound is not right...
> > >the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its
> > azimuth>and head height.
> > >Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust
> > >this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would
> > >generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then
> > play it
> > >thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes
> > in my
> > >theory only do it gently.
> > >Any help will be apprecited
> > >Cheers
> > >Nick mega
> > >Australia
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Jun 29 08:11:36 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:11:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
Message-ID: <c95a9dc8f618.c8f618c95a9d@vsnl.net>

Not a stupid question Alex - without questions we cannot learn ! Even Dragon may need attention but its auto azimuth corrects continuously and so better off than many other non correcting decks!!
If it plays all those tapes wonderfully why worry?
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M

> Dear Kannan!
> 
> A stupid question!
> 
> It's possible that this can happen with my barely used Dragon? As the
> playback head I  REALLY HOPE..., is monitoring himself during ALL the
> recording/playback cassette length?
> 
> Thanks for such noble information!
> 
> Happy listening.
> 
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:15 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> 
> 
> > Hi Tom and others
> > the assumption here is that Meter level calibration is fine as 
> well as
> playback level calibration - which may not be true in most of the used
> cassette decks! However I have also seen Used Naks in almost pristine
> alignment and recording condition!
> >  A good calibration ( to get to the top performance of any nak ) 
> requiresoriginal Nak gauges and alignment tapes plus high 
> bandwidth DMM or AC VTVM /
> signal generator! The 15 Khz sine wave tone will not be read off 
> exactlyas -20 db by many multimeters. Many DIY selfers will get 
> confused over
> indication of less than -30 to -35dB of perfectly correct -20db 15 Khz
> signal( Nak meters themselves will show as -30db excepting 582 ' 
> analogmeter).
> >
> > Any one having correctly aligned deck with regular alignment 
> tapes can
> make approximate calibration tapes for level and azimuth (while 
> head height
> cannot be adjusted without orginal Nak tape nor we can duplicate 
> that tape?)
> you can get to meter level adjustment/ playback level adjustment 
> probablyvery near record bias & level adjustment using such tapes.
> >
> > Also note this find - I found the play azimuth was changing from 
> start of
> tape to one quarter of very good TDK MA 90 Tape- on Cassette Deck 
> 1. You go
> to the end of tape the record azimuth change caused the 15 Khz 
> output to
> fall to 40% of orginal!  So I had adjusted the record head azimuth 
> using the
> middle portion of MA tape so that the error is equally distributed 
> from the
> beginning to end. If the capstan belt is slightly slack you will find
> Azimuth is changing depending on Capstan speed differential 
> continuously-
> While recorded music does not show variation on listening!!!! So 
> the capstan
> belt and other associated parts should be functioning well to make the
> calibration work for you!
> >
> >  Try peaking of signals on both the channel for 15 Khz azimuth 
> adjustmentwill do( both should raise not one channel increase 
> while the other decrease
> which is due to head heigh misalignment - ignore meter reading on 
> Nak decks
> or your multi meter!
> > Sorry for interrupting and this posting is in no way criticizing 
> Tom'guidance which is excellent and informative.
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> > Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 3:26 pm
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >
> > > It's pretty much the same procedure but with one extra step (this
> > > applies to
> > > all nak 3 head units). After you have accurately adjusted the
> > > playback head
> > > height and azimuth, you then need to do the record head. Grab
> > > yourself a
> > > good blank tape and pop it in your RX505, adjust the eq/bias and
> > > turn off
> > > any noise reduction (no B or C). Connect a frequency generator or
> > > plug your
> > > pc into the line in of your deck, press the monitor switch to
> > > source and
> > > generate the 400Hz tone, adjust record levels until they read 0dB
> > > on the
> > > meters. Now press the record button on your deck and press the 
> monitor> > switch to tape and look at the meters, are they at 0dB? 
> if not
> > > then you need
> > > to adjust the head height screw for the record head until it
> > > reaches 0dB (or
> > > close to it). After you have done this you will need to pump 
> in a
> > > 15KHz tone
> > > to your deck and this time the levels should be adjusted until the
> > > metersshow -20dB. Now continue recording onto the blank tape and
> > > look at the
> > > meters, are they at 15KHz? If not adjust your azimuth screw for
> > > the record
> > > head until they read -20dB (or close to it).
> > >
> > > Well that's about it, the last thing you should do is record some
> > > music onto your blank tape and play it on another deck and listen
> > > to the
> > > quality. If you like what you hear then pat yourself on the back,
> > > if you
> > > don't like what you hear then repeat the process - you may have
> > > not adjusted
> > > something quite right.
> > >
> > > Please only do this if your deck has been messed around with, 
> do not
> > > adjust the screws if you machine is ok - just my 2 cents.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Tom Siomopoulos.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: neil lipes [neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:29
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom:
> > >
> > > How do I do this on my RX-505?
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> > > >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
> > > >
> > > >Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record
> > > two test
> > > >tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz
> > > tone at
> > > >around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that
> > > it is in
> > > >good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head 
> deck this
> > > >procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded
> > > the tones on
> > > >a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback
> > > the 400Hz
> > > >reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height
> > > until both
> > > >needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you 
> need to
> > > >playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles
> > > point to
> > > >(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting
> > > your>alignment back into place. I have used this method before on
> > > my BX300,
> > > >680ZX
> > > >and my ZX9 with no trouble.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps you out Nick.
> > > >
> > > > Tom.
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Nick Mega [teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
> > > >Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
> > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > >Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hi Guys
> > > >I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and 
> playback> > >sound is not right...
> > > >the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its
> > > azimuth>and head height.
> > > >Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i 
> can adjust
> > > >this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured 
> i would
> > > >generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then
> > > play it
> > > >thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes
> > > in my
> > > >theory only do it gently.
> > > >Any help will be apprecited
> > > >Cheers
> > > >Nick mega
> > > >Australia
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 29 09:54:10 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:54:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
References: <c95a9dc8f618.c8f618c95a9d@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV17JXsNQptg0000f63b@hotmail.com>

Bravo...my dear Friend!

Now I'm very happy!, of course that "TILL"...today all works flawless!!!

All my best wishes, and be well always!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


> Not a stupid question Alex - without questions we cannot learn ! Even
Dragon may need attention but its auto azimuth corrects continuously and so
better off than many other non correcting decks!!
> If it plays all those tapes wonderfully why worry?
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:34 pm
> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>
> > Dear Kannan!
> >
> > A stupid question!
> >
> > It's possible that this can happen with my barely used Dragon? As the
> > playback head I  REALLY HOPE..., is monitoring himself during ALL the
> > recording/playback cassette length?
> >
> > Thanks for such noble information!
> >
> > Happy listening.
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >
> >
> > > Hi Tom and others
> > > the assumption here is that Meter level calibration is fine as
> > well as
> > playback level calibration - which may not be true in most of the used
> > cassette decks! However I have also seen Used Naks in almost pristine
> > alignment and recording condition!
> > >  A good calibration ( to get to the top performance of any nak )
> > requiresoriginal Nak gauges and alignment tapes plus high
> > bandwidth DMM or AC VTVM /
> > signal generator! The 15 Khz sine wave tone will not be read off
> > exactlyas -20 db by many multimeters. Many DIY selfers will get
> > confused over
> > indication of less than -30 to -35dB of perfectly correct -20db 15 Khz
> > signal( Nak meters themselves will show as -30db excepting 582 '
> > analogmeter).
> > >
> > > Any one having correctly aligned deck with regular alignment
> > tapes can
> > make approximate calibration tapes for level and azimuth (while
> > head height
> > cannot be adjusted without orginal Nak tape nor we can duplicate
> > that tape?)
> > you can get to meter level adjustment/ playback level adjustment
> > probablyvery near record bias & level adjustment using such tapes.
> > >
> > > Also note this find - I found the play azimuth was changing from
> > start of
> > tape to one quarter of very good TDK MA 90 Tape- on Cassette Deck
> > 1. You go
> > to the end of tape the record azimuth change caused the 15 Khz
> > output to
> > fall to 40% of orginal!  So I had adjusted the record head azimuth
> > using the
> > middle portion of MA tape so that the error is equally distributed
> > from the
> > beginning to end. If the capstan belt is slightly slack you will find
> > Azimuth is changing depending on Capstan speed differential
> > continuously-
> > While recorded music does not show variation on listening!!!! So
> > the capstan
> > belt and other associated parts should be functioning well to make the
> > calibration work for you!
> > >
> > >  Try peaking of signals on both the channel for 15 Khz azimuth
> > adjustmentwill do( both should raise not one channel increase
> > while the other decrease
> > which is due to head heigh misalignment - ignore meter reading on
> > Nak decks
> > or your multi meter!
> > > Sorry for interrupting and this posting is in no way criticizing
> > Tom'guidance which is excellent and informative.
> > > kannan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> > > Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 3:26 pm
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> > >
> > > > It's pretty much the same procedure but with one extra step (this
> > > > applies to
> > > > all nak 3 head units). After you have accurately adjusted the
> > > > playback head
> > > > height and azimuth, you then need to do the record head. Grab
> > > > yourself a
> > > > good blank tape and pop it in your RX505, adjust the eq/bias and
> > > > turn off
> > > > any noise reduction (no B or C). Connect a frequency generator or
> > > > plug your
> > > > pc into the line in of your deck, press the monitor switch to
> > > > source and
> > > > generate the 400Hz tone, adjust record levels until they read 0dB
> > > > on the
> > > > meters. Now press the record button on your deck and press the
> > monitor> > switch to tape and look at the meters, are they at 0dB?
> > if not
> > > > then you need
> > > > to adjust the head height screw for the record head until it
> > > > reaches 0dB (or
> > > > close to it). After you have done this you will need to pump
> > in a
> > > > 15KHz tone
> > > > to your deck and this time the levels should be adjusted until the
> > > > metersshow -20dB. Now continue recording onto the blank tape and
> > > > look at the
> > > > meters, are they at 15KHz? If not adjust your azimuth screw for
> > > > the record
> > > > head until they read -20dB (or close to it).
> > > >
> > > > Well that's about it, the last thing you should do is record some
> > > > music onto your blank tape and play it on another deck and listen
> > > > to the
> > > > quality. If you like what you hear then pat yourself on the back,
> > > > if you
> > > > don't like what you hear then repeat the process - you may have
> > > > not adjusted
> > > > something quite right.
> > > >
> > > > Please only do this if your deck has been messed around with,
> > do not
> > > > adjust the screws if you machine is ok - just my 2 cents.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Tom Siomopoulos.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: neil lipes [neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:29
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom:
> > > >
> > > > How do I do this on my RX-505?
> > > >
> > > > Neil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> > > > >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
> > > > >
> > > > >Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record
> > > > two test
> > > > >tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz
> > > > tone at
> > > > >around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that
> > > > it is in
> > > > >good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head
> > deck this
> > > > >procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded
> > > > the tones on
> > > > >a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback
> > > > the 400Hz
> > > > >reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height
> > > > until both
> > > > >needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you
> > need to
> > > > >playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles
> > > > point to
> > > > >(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting
> > > > your>alignment back into place. I have used this method before on
> > > > my BX300,
> > > > >680ZX
> > > > >and my ZX9 with no trouble.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps you out Nick.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom.
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Nick Mega [teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
> > > > >Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
> > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > >Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi Guys
> > > > >I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and
> > playback> > >sound is not right...
> > > > >the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its
> > > > azimuth>and head height.
> > > > >Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i
> > can adjust
> > > > >this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured
> > i would
> > > > >generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then
> > > > play it
> > > > >thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes
> > > > in my
> > > > >theory only do it gently.
> > > > >Any help will be apprecited
> > > > >Cheers
> > > > >Nick mega
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Jun 29 01:26:51 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:26:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Just what is it?
Message-ID: <20040628232650.PYES27959.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Okay, I came in half way through the movie and don't have a clue what the storyline would be.

What is this Marathon II thingy?  I know I want it, so how do I get it?

Roland

Roland



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 29 02:29:20 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:29:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
Message-ID: <BAY2-F2277NPzgXYhdB000361e7@hotmail.com>

Tom:

Wise words...my deck is not broken..so I will not "fix" it!

Neil

PS..The Nak has taken a back seat these days so to speak...I'm getting back 
into open reel...had my Teac X2000R tuned up by the Teac factory...(new 
belt, four new heads, pinch rollers, lube, and complete calibration)...man 
do I love "dem" 10.5 inch reels...analog bliss!!

Neil


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:26:38 +1000
>
>It's pretty much the same procedure but with one extra step (this applies 
>to
>all nak 3 head units). After you have accurately adjusted the playback head
>height and azimuth, you then need to do the record head. Grab yourself a
>good blank tape and pop it in your RX505, adjust the eq/bias and turn off
>any noise reduction (no B or C). Connect a frequency generator or plug your
>pc into the line in of your deck, press the monitor switch to source and
>generate the 400Hz tone, adjust record levels until they read 0dB on the
>meters. Now press the record button on your deck and press the monitor
>switch to tape and look at the meters, are they at 0dB? if not then you 
>need
>to adjust the head height screw for the record head until it reaches 0dB 
>(or
>close to it). After you have done this you will need to pump in a 15KHz 
>tone
>to your deck and this time the levels should be adjusted until the meters
>show -20dB. Now continue recording onto the blank tape and look at the
>meters, are they at 15KHz? If not adjust your azimuth screw for the record
>head until they read -20dB (or close to it).
>
>	Well that's about it, the last thing you should do is record some
>music onto your blank tape and play it on another deck and listen to the
>quality. If you like what you hear then pat yourself on the back, if you
>don't like what you hear then repeat the process - you may have not 
>adjusted
>something quite right.
>
>	Please only do this if your deck has been messed around with, do not
>adjust the screws if you machine is ok - just my 2 cents.
>
>	Regards,
>
>	Tom Siomopoulos.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:29
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>
>
>Tom:
>
>How do I do this on my RX-505?
>
>Neil
>
>
> >From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
> >
> >Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record two test
> >tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz tone at
> >around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that it is in
> >good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head deck this
> >procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded the tones 
>on
> >a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback the 
>400Hz
> >reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height until 
>both
> >needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you need to
> >playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles point 
>to
> >(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting your
> >alignment back into place. I have used this method before on my BX300,
> >680ZX
> >and my ZX9 with no trouble.
> >
> >	Hope this helps you out Nick.
> >
> >	Tom.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Nick Mega [mailto:teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
> >Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >
> >
> >Hi Guys
> >I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback
> >sound is not right...
> >the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its azimuth
> >and head height.
> >Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust
> >this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would
> >generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then play it
> >thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes in my
> >theory only do it gently.
> >Any help will be apprecited
> >Cheers
> >Nick mega
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 11:18:08 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:18:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static coming
	from one channel
In-Reply-To: <005301c45b65$5cc86d00$040310ac@lyra2>
Message-ID: <20040629091808.12398.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com>

Seriously, go for the AN M1 or M2 pre amp if you can. Its really different and sounds very nice. Makes a killer combi with my Nak 680. 
 
BG

Tadas Motiejunas <lyra at abc.lt> wrote:
Dear Joe,

Tung-Sol 6111WA is great, but rare. If you won't be able to find it at your
location, please let me know, I still have some of them.

Have a nice weekend!

Tadas


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Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 16:46
Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Please help - Audio Note M-Zero has static coming
from one channel


>
> Tadas, Alex, Ron... I think you're all correct. It probably is the tube.
I received a reply from Audio Note UK today, and they said it's just a noisy
6111WA tube that needs replacement. Since it's the only tue in the unit,
there's really no guesswork involved.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on a good NOS 6111WA tube? Since it's only
one little tube, cost is not a major concern.
>
> Thanks again,
> Joe
>
>
> -- Ron wrote:
> josephj69 at juno.com wrote:
>
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >I know I haven't posted in ages, but I recall that many people here, like
> >Stephen and Kanan, have been
> >helpful in the past when my gear started acting up. So I'm going to bug
> >you with my problems again. :)
> >
> >I'm having a problem with a newly acquired (used) Audio Note M-Zero
> >preamp. There is a scratchy sounding static-like noise coming out of the
> >right channel. The noise does not shift channels, even if I turn the
> >balance control all the way to left. It does get louder when I turn up
> >the volume. The sound is generally constant - not just when I touch the
> >volume control. I also notice that the right channel is slightly louder
> >than the left channel, requiring adjustment of the balance control to an
> >off-center position. The former owner never had a problem, so this could
> >have occurred in transit. The unit looks mint and unabused, and cannot be
> >more than a few years old.
> >
> >I have tried the unit with different amplifiers, with different cables,
> >and using different source components, so I have isolated the problem to
> >the preamp itself. I have also tried setting up the unit in different
> >rooms in the house, so I don't believe this is an interaction with an
> >external component. The static does shift channels if I reverse the Left
> >and Right interconnect cables to the amplifier.
> >
> >While I am not technically inclined, my guess is that something is wrong
> >with the volume control pot. However, I am not sure whether this is
> >something that can be cured with simple contact cleaner. Does the fact
> >the static is in only one channel (and does not move even when the
> >balance control is adjusted) indicate that there is a problem with
> >something other than the volume control?
> >
> >For those who aren't familiar, the M-Zero is a fairly simple affair using
> >one tube in the output stage. I have since dropped in my old Antique
> >Sound Lab Wave Line 1 preamp, which is a very similar single-tube design.
> >Not only is the static gone, but I noticed that there is less background
> >hiss in both channels with the ASL when the volume is turned up.
> >
> >I guess my questions are as follows:
> >
> >[1] Do you think the problem is indeed with the volume control pot?
>
> Not necessarily. Could be any component between the input
> and the volume control. I am not familiar with the circuit, but
> if the volume control follows the tube, it could be the tube. I
> would also suspect any cap or resistor. As to the hiss, I would
> certainly suspect the tube.
>
> >[2] If it is the volume control, is it something that basic contact
> >cleaner can remedy?
> >
> Normally, yes. Especially if the noise is present in any control setting.
>
> >[3] If replacement of the pot is absolutely necessary, I will have to pay
> >someone to do the work. I am not skilled at soldering, and I don't have
> >the necessary tools. If I must pay for service, should I have it replaced
> >with an actual attenuator ...
> >
> The volume control *is* an actual attenuator.
>
> -- Ron
>
> >... and if so, is there a suitable drop-in
> >replacement for the M-Zero? I would think the M-One or M-Two use a better
> >attenuator, so I'm hoping there's a direct drop in part. I have e-mailed
> >Audio Note UK on this, but so far no response.
> >
> >I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to cover all bases. If anyone
> >has any advice or input, I would greatly appreciate it.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Joe
> >
> >
>
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Jun 29 15:22:43 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:22:43 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5AA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I know what you mean, I'm a X-1000R owner.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2004 10:29 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


Tom:

Wise words...my deck is not broken..so I will not "fix" it!

Neil

PS..The Nak has taken a back seat these days so to speak...I'm getting back 
into open reel...had my Teac X2000R tuned up by the Teac factory...(new 
belt, four new heads, pinch rollers, lube, and complete calibration)...man 
do I love "dem" 10.5 inch reels...analog bliss!!

Neil


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:26:38 +1000
>
>It's pretty much the same procedure but with one extra step (this 
>applies
>to
>all nak 3 head units). After you have accurately adjusted the playback head
>height and azimuth, you then need to do the record head. Grab yourself a
>good blank tape and pop it in your RX505, adjust the eq/bias and turn off
>any noise reduction (no B or C). Connect a frequency generator or plug your
>pc into the line in of your deck, press the monitor switch to source and
>generate the 400Hz tone, adjust record levels until they read 0dB on the
>meters. Now press the record button on your deck and press the monitor
>switch to tape and look at the meters, are they at 0dB? if not then you 
>need
>to adjust the head height screw for the record head until it reaches 0dB 
>(or
>close to it). After you have done this you will need to pump in a 15KHz 
>tone
>to your deck and this time the levels should be adjusted until the meters
>show -20dB. Now continue recording onto the blank tape and look at the
>meters, are they at 15KHz? If not adjust your azimuth screw for the record
>head until they read -20dB (or close to it).
>
>	Well that's about it, the last thing you should do is record some 
>music onto your blank tape and play it on another deck and listen to 
>the quality. If you like what you hear then pat yourself on the back, 
>if you don't like what you hear then repeat the process - you may have 
>not adjusted something quite right.
>
>	Please only do this if your deck has been messed around with, do not

>adjust the screws if you machine is ok - just my 2 cents.
>
>	Regards,
>
>	Tom Siomopoulos.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:29
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>
>
>Tom:
>
>How do I do this on my RX-505?
>
>Neil
>
>
> >From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
> >
> >Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record two 
> >test tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz 
> >tone at around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck 
> >that it is in good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two 
> >head deck this procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have 
> >recorded the tones
>on
> >a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback the
>400Hz
> >reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height until
>both
> >needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you need to 
> >playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles 
> >point
>to
> >(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting 
> >your alignment back into place. I have used this method before on my 
> >BX300, 680ZX and my ZX9 with no trouble.
> >
> >	Hope this helps you out Nick.
> >
> >	Tom.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Nick Mega [mailto:teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
> >Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
> >
> >
> >Hi Guys
> >I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and playback 
> >sound is not right... the frquency response does not seem to be flat 
> >so i figure its azimuth and head height.
> >Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i can adjust
> >this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured i would
> >generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then play it
> >thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes in my
> >theory only do it gently.
> >Any help will be apprecited
> >Cheers
> >Nick mega
> >Australia
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Jun 29 19:43:17 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:43:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <d5921dd546ea.d546ead5921d@vsnl.net>

Hi John
bit tough to answer with small details. Try first ZX type tape ( that is type IV metal tape position) Keep bias/ level knobs at the center ( bit difficult unless you try rotating full and find out what is the middle Position. ) try Calibrating it with record pause mode / press level button with monitor switch in tape position, you should be able to adjust this to correct level ( check whether level button pressed with monitor switch to source show steady 0dB or any where near 0dB first - this would show the tone generator is fine!) Then try bias adjustment. If the metal tape position works, there is less likely to have problem with bias oscillator. Try now some other type II tape ( like Maxell XL II or TDK SA tape)and check both level / bias can be calibrated. Finally try TDK SA-X; it should work. Observe what ever happen on these steps and report to get an idea of the problem if any. I have noticed record head misalignment sometimes cause one channel problem. There is likel
y problem in some caps on one channel but I have not noticed anything of that sort - when compared to head misalignment.
Finally answer to your other question - yes there is another set of adjustment preset pots inside to set the bias center position- but generally require no attention
hope this helps
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: pieboy at att.net
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:56 am
Subject: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon

> Hi Kannan,
> 
> I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, but I can not 
> correctly adjust the bias on one channel using the SX tape 
> position (the bias reads about one or two bars two high on the 
> meter for that channel). I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape 
> positions because I don't have appropriate blank tapes, but I will 
> try those soon to see if the problem affects those too. 
> 
> My questions:
> 
> 1. Is there a coarse adjustment for the bias inside the machine to 
> set the range for the front panel control? 2. Is this problem 
> something a technically competent non-expert (like myself) might 
> be able to adjust? 
> 3. Is it more likely a bad or out-of-spec part that must be 
> replaced before the machine will work properly? 
> 4. Is this a common problem?
> 
> Thanks for your consideration!
> 
> Best regards, 
> John Derven 
> Eugene, Oregon



From ti at amb.org  Tue Jun 29 22:05:44 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Just what is it?
In-Reply-To: <20040628232650.PYES27959.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
	from "rjlbjk@cox.net" at Jun 28, 2004 07:26:51 PM
Message-ID: <200406292005.UAA08800@amb.org>

rjlbjk at cox.net writes:
> Okay, I came in half way through the movie and don't have a clue what the storyline would be.
> What is this Marathon II thingy?  I know I want it, so how do I get it?

A short summary:

A number of naktalk members selected music of interest, recorded onto
good quality tapes on their Naks, sent the tapes to Carlos who then
masters them into a CD set.

We had one round of this previously, and this is the 2nd edition.

If you want a copy of the CD set, just let Carlos know and send him
a check for $10 (US funds only): email: copytec at coqui.net

-Ti
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 29 23:19:06 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:19:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon
References: <d5921dd546ea.d546ead5921d@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV7zcwxZDH3g00019b78@hotmail.com>

Hi John!

Me happen, when I received my Dragon, after being boxed for 20 years! You
don't mention if you use it regularly...or like my gifted one, so long being
not used? If belongs like mine...long time boxed/not used, I remedy this "NO
calibration, leaving "Powered ON"...for 36 hours continuously, after that
all work wonderful, also as our lovely friend Kannan, states, I move the 6
knobs near the middle position, and FROM there I began first calibrate the
Level and after the Bias. Now...all is perfect!!!

Good Luck!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:43 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon


> Hi John
> bit tough to answer with small details. Try first ZX type tape ( that is
type IV metal tape position) Keep bias/ level knobs at the center ( bit
difficult unless you try rotating full and find out what is the middle
Position. ) try Calibrating it with record pause mode / press level button
with monitor switch in tape position, you should be able to adjust this to
correct level ( check whether level button pressed with monitor switch to
source show steady 0dB or any where near 0dB first - this would show the
tone generator is fine!) Then try bias adjustment. If the metal tape
position works, there is less likely to have problem with bias oscillator.
Try now some other type II tape ( like Maxell XL II or TDK SA tape)and check
both level / bias can be calibrated. Finally try TDK SA-X; it should work.
Observe what ever happen on these steps and report to get an idea of the
problem if any. I have noticed record head misalignment sometimes cause one
channel problem. There is likel
> y problem in some caps on one channel but I have not noticed anything of
that sort - when compared to head misalignment.
> Finally answer to your other question - yes there is another set of
adjustment preset pots inside to set the bias center position- but generally
require no attention
> hope this helps
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pieboy at att.net
> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:56 am
> Subject: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon
>
> > Hi Kannan,
> >
> > I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, but I can not
> > correctly adjust the bias on one channel using the SX tape
> > position (the bias reads about one or two bars two high on the
> > meter for that channel). I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape
> > positions because I don't have appropriate blank tapes, but I will
> > try those soon to see if the problem affects those too.
> >
> > My questions:
> >
> > 1. Is there a coarse adjustment for the bias inside the machine to
> > set the range for the front panel control? 2. Is this problem
> > something a technically competent non-expert (like myself) might
> > be able to adjust?
> > 3. Is it more likely a bad or out-of-spec part that must be
> > replaced before the machine will work properly?
> > 4. Is this a common problem?
> >
> > Thanks for your consideration!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > John Derven
> > Eugene, Oregon
>
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 17:02:06 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:02:06 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Just what is it?
Message-ID: <15c.38185985.2e12de6e@aol.com>

It's a collection of music recorded by members on their Naks or other 
equipment and transfered to CD. Carlos is the man to see, I'm sure he'll chime in....

Anthony

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From pieboy at att.net  Tue Jun 29 18:00:51 2004
From: pieboy at att.net (pieboy at att.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:00:51 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon 
Message-ID: <062920041600.17427.40E192330009545600004413215876675597010D0A079F@att.net>

Hi Kannan,


I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, but I can not correctly adjust the bias on one channel using the SX tape position (the bias reads about one or two bars too high on the meter for that channel). I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape positions because I don't have appropriate blank tapes, but I will try those soon to see if the problem affects those too. 

 

My questions:


1. Is there a coarse adjustment for the bias inside the machine to set the range for the front panel control? 

2. Is this problem something a technically competent non-expert (like myself) might be able to adjust? 

3. Is it more likely a bad or out-of-spec part that must be replaced before the machine will work properly? 

4. Is this a common problem?

 

Thanks for your consideration!

Best regards, 
John Derven 
Eugene, Oregon


 




From pieboy at att.net  Wed Jun 30 04:57:19 2004
From: pieboy at att.net (pieboy at att.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:57:19 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <063020040257.25961.40E22C0E000B0EF100006569216037596497010D0A079F@att.net>

Hi Kannan,

Thanks for your detailed response. I'll make the additional tests this weekend and report back. Thanks for your help!

Best regards, 
John Derven 



-------------- Original message from kannan_s at vsnl.com: -------------- 
> Hi John 
> bit tough to answer with small details. Try first ZX type tape ( that is type IV 
> metal tape position) Keep bias/ level knobs at the center ( bit difficult unless 
> you try rotating full and find out what is the middle Position. ) try 
> Calibrating it with record pause mode / press level button with monitor switch 
> in tape position, you should be able to adjust this to correct level ( check 
> whether level button pressed with monitor switch to source show steady 0dB or 
> any where near 0dB first - this would show the tone generator is fine!) Then try 
> bias adjustment. If the metal tape position works, there is less likely to have 
> problem with bias oscillator. Try now some other type II tape ( like Maxell XL 
> II or TDK SA tape)and check both level / bias can be calibrated. Finally try TDK 
> SA-X; it should work. Observe what ever happen on these steps and report to get 
> an idea of the problem if any. I have noticed record head misalignment sometimes 
> cause one channel problem. There is likel 
> y problem in some caps on one channel but I have not noticed anything of that 
> sort - when compared to head misalignment. 
> Finally answer to your other question - yes there is another set of adjustment 
> preset pots inside to set the bias center position- but generally require no 
> attention 
> hope this helps 
> kannan 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: pieboy at att.net 
> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:56 am 
> Subject: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon 
> 
> > Hi Kannan, 
> > 
> > I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, but I can not 
> > correctly adjust the bias on one channel using the SX tape 
> > position (the bias reads about one or two bars two high on the 
> > meter for that channel). I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape 
> > positions because I don't have appropriate blank tapes, but I will 
> > try those soon to see if the problem affects those too. 
> > 
> > My questions: 
> > 
> > 1. Is there a coarse adjustment for the bias inside the machine to 
> > set the range for the front panel control? 2. Is this problem 
> > something a technically competent non-expert (like myself) might 
> > be able to adjust? 
> > 3. Is it more likely a bad or out-of-spec part that must be 
> > replaced before the machine will work properly? 
> > 4. Is this a common problem? 
> > 
> > Thanks for your consideration! 
> > 
> > Best regards, 
> > John Derven 
> > Eugene, Oregon 
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jun 30 23:27:34 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:27:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <s0b9d1a1.050@mroute.sunint.co.za><000201c44875$fae67fc0$c0844c51@oemcomputer><20040603124548.GA5144@peromarta.org><001f01c458c7$fb7806e0$53773242@CopyTech>
	<40E03615.9429815@att.net>
Message-ID: <003a01c45ee9$16c77da0$1a773242@CopyTech>

The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few weeks
until all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived already. Thanks
for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll take care
of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the results
again.

We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution from Cuba,
EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside guests who
contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.

I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those interested sent
your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for the Mark ii
version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate those
members who have send some "extra" in order to help me with the project. My
special thanks to you, guys.

Thanks again !

Carlos



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jun 30 21:16:10 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:16:10 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <e41bd7e4124f.e4124fe41bd7@vsnl.net>

Hi John
hope you have Dragon User manual which will explain some of the steps in order. When Dragon' monitor switch is in Source mode( normal mode is tape mode when you press play you can hear the tape playing through tape out sockets or Headphone jack while in source mode you can hear what ever signal is sent through input sockets !) - press level button and then bias button - check the meter shows 0db for 400 Hz level tone signal and 15 Khz bias signal on bothe the channel. Sometime they may show differently due to malfunctining tone generator or needing internal adjustment of tone signal. 
hope this information is useful before you start your tests!
kannan
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Hi Kannan,

Thanks for your detailed response. I'll make the additional tests this weekend and report back. Thanks for your help!

Best regards, 
John Derven 



-------------- Original message from kannan_s at vsnl.com: -------------- 
> Hi John 
> bit tough to answer with small details. Try first ZX type tape ( that is type IV 
> metal tape position) Keep bias/ level knobs at the center ( bit difficult unless 
> you try rotating full and find out what is the middle Position. ) try 
> Calibrating it with record pause mode / press level button with monitor switch 
> in tape position, you should be able to adjust this to correct level ( check 
> whether level button pressed with monitor switch to source show steady 0dB or 
> any where near 0dB first - this would show the tone generator is fine!) Then try 
> bias adjustment. If the metal tape position works, there is less likely to have 
> problem with bias oscillator. Try now some other type II tape ( like Maxell XL 
> II or TDK SA tape)and check both level / bias can be calibrated. Finally try TDK 
> SA-X; it should work. Observe what ever happen on these steps and report to get 
> an idea of the problem if any. I have noticed record head misalignment sometimes 
> cause one channel problem. There is likel 
> y problem in some caps on one channel but I have not noticed anything of that 
> sort - when compared to head misalignment. 
> Finally answer to your other question - yes there is another set of adjustment 
> preset pots inside to set the bias center position- but generally require no 
> attention 
> hope this helps 
> kannan 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: pieboy at att.net 
> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:56 am 
> Subject: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon 
> 
> > Hi Kannan, 
> > 
> > I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, but I can not 
> > correctly adjust the bias on one channel using the SX tape 
> > position (the bias reads about one or two bars two high on the 
> > meter for that channel). I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape 
> > positions because I don't have appropriate blank tapes, but I will 
> > try those soon to see if the problem affects those too. 
> > 
> > My questions: 
> > 
> > 1. Is there a coarse adjustment for the bias inside the machine to 
> > set the range for the front panel control? 2. Is this problem 
> > something a technically competent non-expert (like myself) might 
> > be able to adjust? 
> > 3. Is it more likely a bad or out-of-spec part that must be 
> > replaced before the machine will work properly? 
> > 4. Is this a common problem? 
> > 
> > Thanks for your consideration! 
> > 
> > Best regards, 
> > John Derven 
> > Eugene, Oregon 
> 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 
> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register 
> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 
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<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Thanks for your detailed response. I'll make the additional tests this weekend and report back. Thanks for your help!<BR><BR>Best regards, <BR>John Derven <BR></P><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from kannan_s at vsnl.com: -------------- <BR>&gt; Hi John <BR>&gt; bit tough to answer with small details. Try first ZX type tape ( that is type IV <BR>&gt; metal tape position) Keep bias/ level knobs at the center ( bit difficult unless <BR>&gt; you try rotating full and find out what is the middle Position. ) try <BR>&gt; Calibrating it with record pause mode / press level button with monitor switch <BR>&gt; in tape position, you should be able to adjust this to correct level ( check <BR>&gt; whether level button pressed with monitor switch to source show steady 0dB or <BR>&gt; any where near 0dB first - this would show the tone generator is fine!) Then try <BR>&gt; bias adjustment. If the metal tape position works, there is less likely to have <BR>&gt; problem with bias oscillator. Try now some other type II tape ( like Maxell XL <BR>&gt; II or TDK SA tape!
 )and check both level / bias can be calibrated. Finally try TDK <BR>&gt; SA-X; it should work. Observe what ever happen on these steps and report to get <BR>&gt; an idea of the problem if any. I have noticed record head misalignment sometimes <BR>&gt; cause one channel problem. There is likel <BR>&gt; y problem in some caps on one channel but I have not noticed anything of that <BR>&gt; sort - when compared to head misalignment. <BR>&gt; Finally answer to your other question - yes there is another set of adjustment <BR>&gt; preset pots inside to set the bias center position- but generally require no <BR>&gt; attention <BR>&gt; hope this helps <BR>&gt; kannan <BR>&gt; ----- Original Message ----- <BR>&gt; From: pieboy at att.net <BR>&gt; Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:56 am <BR>&gt; Subject: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Hi Kannan, <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, but I can not <BR>&gt; &gt; correctly adjust the bia!
 s on one channel using the SX tape <BR>&gt; &gt; position (the bias re

ads about one or two bars two high on the <BR>&gt; &gt; meter for that channel). I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape <BR>&gt; &gt; positions because I don't have appropriate blank tapes, but I will <BR>&gt; &gt; try those soon to see if the problem affects those too. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; My questions: <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 1. Is there a coarse adjustment for the bias inside the machine to <BR>&gt; &gt; set the range for the front panel control? 2. Is this problem <BR>&gt; &gt; something a technically competent non-expert (like myself) might <BR>&gt; &gt; be able to adjust? <BR>&gt; &gt; 3. Is it more likely a bad or out-of-spec part that must be <BR>&gt; &gt; replaced before the machine will work properly? <BR>&gt; &gt; 4. Is this a common problem? <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Thanks for your consideration! <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Best regards, <BR>&gt; &gt; John Derven <BR>&gt; &gt; Eugene, Oregon <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ========-------------------------------------!
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jun 30 21:19:18 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:19:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Message-ID: <e5a59de5ba0a.e5ba0ae5a59d@vsnl.net>

Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can post the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end , all of us who sent money know that it had reached. 
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II

> The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few 
> weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived 
> already. Thanks
> for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll 
> take care
> of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the 
> resultsagain.
> 
> We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution 
> from Cuba,
> EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside 
> guests who
> contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
> Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> 
> I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those 
> interested sent
> your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for 
> the Mark ii
> version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
> authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate 
> thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with 
> the project. My
> special thanks to you, guys.
> 
> Thanks again !
> 
> Carlos
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 21:57:43 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:57:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
In-Reply-To: <001101c45ef7$16716600$1a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000001c45edc$81b2a0c0$70d7883e@oemcomputer>

Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you by the
weekend, I expect.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> Jay Benach
> R. Obenauf
> Robert J. Kent
> Tim Barrett
> Brian Stocker
> Mike Moore
> Tony Boysick
> Jon Ochi
> John "revox" Tooley
> Ti Kan
> Dean Bauer
>
> That's all by now ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can post
> the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end ,
> all of us who
> sent money know that it had reached.
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
> > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
> > > already. Thanks
> > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
> > > take care
> > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> > > resultsagain.
> > >
> > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
> > > from Cuba,
> > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > > guests who
> > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
> > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> > >
> > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > > interested sent
> > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> > > the Mark ii
> > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
> > > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
> > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
> > > the project. My
> > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > >
> > > Thanks again !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Jun 30 23:54:53 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:54:53 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5B3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Carlos, I take it my money order has not arrived yet? 

	Regards,

	Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Thursday, 1 July 2004 9:08 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


Jay Benach
R. Obenauf
Robert J. Kent
Tim Barrett
Brian Stocker
Mike Moore
Tony Boysick
Jon Ochi
John "revox" Tooley
Ti Kan
Dean Bauer

That's all by now ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can post
the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end , all of us who
sent money know that it had reached.
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
> > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
> > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
> > already. Thanks
> > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
> > take care
> > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> > resultsagain.
> >
> > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
> > from Cuba,
> > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > guests who
> > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
> > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> >
> > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > interested sent
> > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> > the Mark ii
> > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
> > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
> > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
> > the project. My
> > special thanks to you, guys.
> >
> > Thanks again !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jun 30 21:23:52 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:23:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Message-ID: <20040630192350.YKDL29186.lakermmtao01.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

I do not have the address to send the money.

could someone please repost and I'll get it out tomorrow.

Also, can PayPal be used, I'll do it right now!!

Roland


> 
> From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Date: 2004/06/30 Wed PM 03:19:18 EDT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> 
> Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can post the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end , all of us who sent money know that it had reached. 
> kannan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> 
> > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few 
> > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived 
> > already. Thanks
> > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll 
> > take care
> > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the 
> > resultsagain.
> > 
> > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution 
> > from Cuba,
> > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside 
> > guests who
> > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
> > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> > 
> > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those 
> > interested sent
> > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for 
> > the Mark ii
> > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
> > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate 
> > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with 
> > the project. My
> > special thanks to you, guys.
> > 
> > Thanks again !
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
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> > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  1 01:07:58 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:07:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <e5a59de5ba0a.e5ba0ae5a59d@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001101c45ef7$16716600$1a773242@CopyTech>

Jay Benach
R. Obenauf
Robert J. Kent
Tim Barrett
Brian Stocker
Mike Moore
Tony Boysick
Jon Ochi
John "revox" Tooley
Ti Kan
Dean Bauer

That's all by now ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can post
the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end , all of us who
sent money know that it had reached.
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
> > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
> > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
> > already. Thanks
> > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
> > take care
> > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> > resultsagain.
> >
> > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
> > from Cuba,
> > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > guests who
> > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
> > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> >
> > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > interested sent
> > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> > the Mark ii
> > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
> > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
> > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
> > the project. My
> > special thanks to you, guys.
> >
> > Thanks again !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
> > --------------------------=========
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> > Maintain your account here:
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> >
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 00:08:46 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:08:46 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon
References: <e41bd7e4124f.e4124fe41bd7@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV16AM9r5h1i000102bf@hotmail.com>

Mine shows a bar less at 400 Hz and exactly 0db at 15Khz! In my "3
languages" instructions, book, is writing that due "Temperatures
changes"...! it's acceptable such little discrepancy.
I really don't intend to open the cover for a "Bar" less at 400 hz
discrepancy! I can live with such unnoticed discrepancy!, as I tune any tape
exactly at "Tape" position 100% identically as show at "Source" position...,
and it's 100 fine!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon


> Hi John
> hope you have Dragon User manual which will explain some of the steps in
order. When Dragon' monitor switch is in Source mode( normal mode is tape
mode when you press play you can hear the tape playing through tape out
sockets or Headphone jack while in source mode you can hear what ever signal
is sent through input sockets !) - press level button and then bias button -
check the meter shows 0db for 400 Hz level tone signal and 15 Khz bias
signal on bothe the channel. Sometime they may show differently due to
malfunctining tone generator or needing internal adjustment of tone signal.
> hope this information is useful before you start your tests!
> kannan
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> Hi Kannan,
>
> Thanks for your detailed response. I'll make the additional tests this
weekend and report back. Thanks for your help!
>
> Best regards,
> John Derven
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message from kannan_s at vsnl.com: -------------- 
> > Hi John
> > bit tough to answer with small details. Try first ZX type tape ( that is
type IV
> > metal tape position) Keep bias/ level knobs at the center ( bit
difficult unless
> > you try rotating full and find out what is the middle Position. ) try
> > Calibrating it with record pause mode / press level button with monitor
switch
> > in tape position, you should be able to adjust this to correct level (
check
> > whether level button pressed with monitor switch to source show steady
0dB or
> > any where near 0dB first - this would show the tone generator is fine!)
Then try
> > bias adjustment. If the metal tape position works, there is less likely
to have
> > problem with bias oscillator. Try now some other type II tape ( like
Maxell XL
> > II or TDK SA tape)and check both level / bias can be calibrated. Finally
try TDK
> > SA-X; it should work. Observe what ever happen on these steps and report
to get
> > an idea of the problem if any. I have noticed record head misalignment
sometimes
> > cause one channel problem. There is likel
> > y problem in some caps on one channel but I have not noticed anything of
that
> > sort - when compared to head misalignment.
> > Finally answer to your other question - yes there is another set of
adjustment
> > preset pots inside to set the bias center position- but generally
require no
> > attention
> > hope this helps
> > kannan
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: pieboy at att.net
> > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:56 am
> > Subject: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon
> >
> > > Hi Kannan,
> > >
> > > I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, but I can not
> > > correctly adjust the bias on one channel using the SX tape
> > > position (the bias reads about one or two bars two high on the
> > > meter for that channel). I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape
> > > positions because I don't have appropriate blank tapes, but I will
> > > try those soon to see if the problem affects those too.
> > >
> > > My questions:
> > >
> > > 1. Is there a coarse adjustment for the bias inside the machine to
> > > set the range for the front panel control? 2. Is this problem
> > > something a technically competent non-expert (like myself) might
> > > be able to adjust?
> > > 3. Is it more likely a bad or out-of-spec part that must be
> > > replaced before the machine will work properly?
> > > 4. Is this a common problem?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your consideration!
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > John Derven
> > > Eugene, Oregon
> >
> >
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> <P>&nbsp;</P>
> <P>Thanks for your detailed response. I'll make the additional tests this
weekend and report back. Thanks for your help!<BR><BR>Best regards, <BR>John
Derven <BR></P><BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
#1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from
kannan_s at vsnl.com: -------------- <BR>&gt; Hi John <BR>&gt; bit tough to
answer with small details. Try first ZX type tape ( that is type IV <BR>&gt;
metal tape position) Keep bias/ level knobs at the center ( bit difficult
unless <BR>&gt; you try rotating full and find out what is the middle
Position. ) try <BR>&gt; Calibrating it with record pause mode / press level
button with monitor switch <BR>&gt; in tape position, you should be able to
adjust this to correct level ( check <BR>&gt; whether level button pressed
with monitor switch to source show steady 0dB or <BR>&gt; any where near 0dB
first - this would show the tone generator is fine!) Then try <BR>&gt; bias
adjustment. If the metal tape position works, there is less likely to have
<BR>&gt; problem with bias oscillator. Try now some other type II tape (
like Maxell XL <BR>&gt; II or TDK SA tape!
>  )and check both level / bias can be calibrated. Finally try TDK <BR>&gt;
SA-X; it should work. Observe what ever happen on these steps and report to
get <BR>&gt; an idea of the problem if any. I have noticed record head
misalignment sometimes <BR>&gt; cause one channel problem. There is likel
<BR>&gt; y problem in some caps on one channel but I have not noticed
anything of that <BR>&gt; sort - when compared to head misalignment.
<BR>&gt; Finally answer to your other question - yes there is another set of
adjustment <BR>&gt; preset pots inside to set the bias center position- but
generally require no <BR>&gt; attention <BR>&gt; hope this helps <BR>&gt;
kannan <BR>&gt; ----- Original Message ----- <BR>&gt; From: pieboy at att.net
<BR>&gt; Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:56 am <BR>&gt; Subject: Bias
Adjustment on Nak Dragon <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Hi Kannan, <BR>&gt; &gt;
<BR>&gt; &gt; I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, but I can not
<BR>&gt; &gt; correctly adjust the bia!
>  s on one channel using the SX tape <BR>&gt; &gt; position (the bias re
>
> ads about one or two bars two high on the <BR>&gt; &gt; meter for that
channel). I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape <BR>&gt; &gt; positions because
I don't have appropriate blank tapes, but I will <BR>&gt; &gt; try those
soon to see if the problem affects those too. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; My
questions: <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 1. Is there a coarse adjustment for
the bias inside the machine to <BR>&gt; &gt; set the range for the front
panel control? 2. Is this problem <BR>&gt; &gt; something a technically
competent non-expert (like myself) might <BR>&gt; &gt; be able to adjust?
<BR>&gt; &gt; 3. Is it more likely a bad or out-of-spec part that must be
<BR>&gt; &gt; replaced before the machine will work properly? <BR>&gt; &gt;
4. Is this a common problem? <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Thanks for your
consideration! <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Best regards, <BR>&gt; &gt; John
Derven <BR>&gt; &gt; Eugene, Oregon <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  1 06:00:12 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:00:12 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <e5a59de5ba0a.e5ba0ae5a59d@vsnl.net>
	<001101c45ef7$16716600$1a773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000901c45f1f$eaa87530$4d773242@CopyTech>

ALSO ... Kannan & J. Chojnowski came in the mail today.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Jay Benach
> R. Obenauf
> Robert J. Kent
> Tim Barrett
> Brian Stocker
> Mike Moore
> Tony Boysick
> Jon Ochi
> John "revox" Tooley
> Ti Kan
> Dean Bauer
>
> That's all by now ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can post
> the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end , all of us
who
> sent money know that it had reached.
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
> > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
> > > already. Thanks
> > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
> > > take care
> > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> > > resultsagain.
> > >
> > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
> > > from Cuba,
> > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > > guests who
> > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
> > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> > >
> > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > > interested sent
> > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> > > the Mark ii
> > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
> > > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
> > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
> > > the project. My
> > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > >
> > > Thanks again !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  1 06:00:27 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:00:27 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45edc$81b2a0c0$70d7883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000f01c45f1f$f20b0590$4d773242@CopyTech>

No problem, Gra'.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you by the
> weekend, I expect.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> > Jay Benach
> > R. Obenauf
> > Robert J. Kent
> > Tim Barrett
> > Brian Stocker
> > Mike Moore
> > Tony Boysick
> > Jon Ochi
> > John "revox" Tooley
> > Ti Kan
> > Dean Bauer
> >
> > That's all by now ...
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> > > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can
post
> > the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end ,
> > all of us who
> > sent money know that it had reached.
> > > kannan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >
> > > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
> > > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
> > > > already. Thanks
> > > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
> > > > take care
> > > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> > > > resultsagain.
> > > >
> > > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
> > > > from Cuba,
> > > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > > > guests who
> > > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
> > > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> > > >
> > > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > > > interested sent
> > > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> > > > the Mark ii
> > > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
> > > > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
> > > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
> > > > the project. My
> > > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again !
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  1 06:03:29 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:03:29 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5B3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <001d01c45f20$5f5c8e70$4d773242@CopyTech>

Not yet, Tom.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Carlos, I take it my money order has not arrived yet?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Siomopoulos.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Thursday, 1 July 2004 9:08
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> Jay Benach
> R. Obenauf
> Robert J. Kent
> Tim Barrett
> Brian Stocker
> Mike Moore
> Tony Boysick
> Jon Ochi
> John "revox" Tooley
> Ti Kan
> Dean Bauer
>
> That's all by now ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can post
> the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end , all of us
who
> sent money know that it had reached.
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
> > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
> > > already. Thanks
> > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
> > > take care
> > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> > > resultsagain.
> > >
> > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
> > > from Cuba,
> > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > > guests who
> > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
> > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> > >
> > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > > interested sent
> > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> > > the Mark ii
> > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
> > > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
> > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
> > > the project. My
> > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > >
> > > Thanks again !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Jul  1 04:47:22 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:47:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] marathon 2 
Message-ID: <29622-40E37B3A-1320@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>

el magnifico-,my mony is on the way to you tommorow.save a set for me
please. I am sorry I couldnt contribute,but I couldnt find my
gear..really! Its here somewhere in my little apartment
,presumably,buried under tons of books,toys, games,stuffed animals
,models (not the fashion kind) and lots of other e-bay junk. Let me be
the first to mention a possible marathon 3 ,and i will certainly
contribute to thaT ,THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE HARD WORK AND EXPERTICE!

thank you very much,
gerald



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Jul  1 05:23:48 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:23:48 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5B5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Thanks Carlos for the info.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Thursday, 1 July 2004 2:03 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


Not yet, Tom.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Carlos, I take it my money order has not arrived yet?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Siomopoulos.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
> Sent: Thursday, 1 July 2004 9:08
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> Jay Benach
> R. Obenauf
> Robert J. Kent
> Tim Barrett
> Brian Stocker
> Mike Moore
> Tony Boysick
> Jon Ochi
> John "revox" Tooley
> Ti Kan
> Dean Bauer
>
> That's all by now ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can post
> the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end , all of us
who
> sent money know that it had reached.
> > kannan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
> > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
> > > already. Thanks
> > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
> > > take care
> > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> > > resultsagain.
> > >
> > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
> > > from Cuba,
> > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > > guests who
> > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
> > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> > >
> > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > > interested sent
> > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> > > the Mark ii
> > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but no
> > > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
> > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
> > > the project. My
> > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > >
> > > Thanks again !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jul  1 03:09:17 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:09:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45edc$81b2a0c0$70d7883e@oemcomputer>
	<000f01c45f1f$f20b0590$4d773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <007201c45f08$08c21250$d7b50642@johnnyrotten>

Don't believe him Carlos, Gra'. says the same thing to his three ex. wives 
about their child support! ;-)

John T. (aka Johnny ReVox)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> No problem, Gra'.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
>> Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you by the
>> weekend, I expect.
>>
>> Gra'
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
>> > Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
>> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>> >
>> >
>> > Jay Benach
>> > R. Obenauf
>> > Robert J. Kent
>> > Tim Barrett
>> > Brian Stocker
>> > Mike Moore
>> > Tony Boysick
>> > Jon Ochi
>> > John "revox" Tooley
>> > Ti Kan
>> > Dean Bauer
>> >
>> > That's all by now ...
>> >
>> > Carlos
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
>> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>> >
>> >
>> > > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can
> post
>> > the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end ,
>> > all of us who
>> > sent money know that it had reached.
>> > > kannan
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
>> > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
>> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>> > >
>> > > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
>> > > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
>> > > > already. Thanks
>> > > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
>> > > > take care
>> > > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
>> > > > resultsagain.
>> > > >
>> > > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
>> > > > from Cuba,
>> > > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
>> > > > guests who
>> > > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer, Tascam,
>> > > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
>> > > > interested sent
>> > > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
>> > > > the Mark ii
>> > > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but 
>> > > > no
>> > > > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
>> > > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
>> > > > the project. My
>> > > > special thanks to you, guys.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks again !
>> > > >
>> > > > Carlos
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From pieboy at att.net  Thu Jul  1 06:16:40 2004
From: pieboy at att.net (pieboy at att.net)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 04:16:40 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <070120040416.11754.40E390280001952900002DEA216028130297010D0A079F@att.net>

Hi Kannan,

Thanks for the tip. I do have a manual (thanks to NakTalk member Stephen Ellison, who directed me to the correct site to download a copy). I will check the source function as you suggested, to make sure the test tone signals are uniform. I greatly appreciate all your help. 

Best regards, 
John Derven 
Eugene, Oregon



-------------- Original message from kannan_s at vsnl.com: -------------- 
> Hi John 
> hope you have Dragon User manual which will explain some of the steps in order. 
> When Dragon' monitor switch is in Source mode( normal mode is tape mode when you 
> press play you can hear the tape playing through tape out sockets or Headphone 
> jack while in source mode you can hear what ever signal is sent through input 
> sockets !) - press level button and then bias button - check the meter shows 0db 
> for 400 Hz level tone signal and 15 Khz bias signal on bothe the channel. 
> Sometime they may show differently due to malfunctining tone generator or 
> needing internal adjustment of tone signal. 
> hope this information is useful before you start your tests! 
> kannan 
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> Hi Kannan, 
> 
> Thanks for your detailed response. I'll make the additional tests this weekend 
> and report back. Thanks for your help! 
> 
> Best regards, 
> John Derven 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message from kannan_s at vsnl.com: -------------- 
> > Hi John 
> > bit tough to answer with small details. Try first ZX type tape ( that is type 
> IV 
> > metal tape position) Keep bias/ level knobs at the center ( bit difficult 
> unless 
> > you try rotating full and find out what is the middle Position. ) try 
> > Calibrating it with record pause mode / press level button with monitor switch 
> > in tape position, you should be able to adjust this to correct level ( check 
> > whether level button pressed with monitor switch to source show steady 0dB or 
> > any where near 0dB first - this would show the tone generator is fine!) Then 
> try 
> > bias adjustment. If the metal tape position works, there is less likely to 
> have 
> > problem with bias oscillator. Try now some other type II tape ( like Maxell XL 
> > II or TDK SA tape)and check both level / bias can be calibrated. Finally try 
> TDK 
> > SA-X; it should work. Observe what ever happen on these steps and report to 
> get 
> > an idea of the problem if any. I have noticed record head misalignment 
> sometimes 
> > cause one channel problem. There is likel 
> > y problem in some caps on one channel but I have not noticed anything of that 
> > sort - when compared to head misalignment. 
> > Finally answer to your other question - yes there is another set of adjustment 
> > preset pots inside to set the bias center position- but generally require no 
> > attention 
> > hope this helps 
> > kannan 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: pieboy at att.net 
> > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:56 am 
> > Subject: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon 
> > 
> > > Hi Kannan, 
> > > 
> > > I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, but I can not 
> > > correctly adjust the bias on one channel using the SX tape 
> > > position (the bias reads about one or two bars two high on the 
> > > meter for that channel). I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape 
> > > positions because I don't have appropriate blank tapes, but I will 
> > > try those soon to see if the problem affects those too. 
> > > 
> > > My questions: 
> > > 
> > > 1. Is there a coarse adjustment for the bias inside the machine to 
> > > set the range for the front panel control? 2. Is this problem 
> > > something a technically competent non-expert (like myself) might 
> > > be able to adjust? 
> > > 3. Is it more likely a bad or out-of-spec part that must be 
> > > replaced before the machine will work properly? 
> > > 4. Is this a common problem? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your consideration! 
> > > 
> > > Best regards, 
> > > John Derven 
> > > Eugene, Oregon 
> > 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
Hi Kannan,

> 


> 
Thanks for your detailed response. I'll make the additional tests this 
> weekend and report back. Thanks for your help!

Best regards, 
John 
> Derven 



> 
-------------- Original message from kannan_s at vsnl.com: -------------- 
> 
> Hi John 
> bit tough to answer with small details. Try first ZX 
> type tape ( that is type IV 
> metal tape position) Keep bias/ level knobs 
> at the center ( bit difficult unless 
> you try rotating full and find out 
> what is the middle Position. ) try 
> Calibrating it with record pause 
> mode / press level button with monitor switch 
> in tape position, you 
> should be able to adjust this to correct level ( check 
> whether level 
> button pressed with monitor switch to source show steady 0dB or 
> any 
> where near 0dB first - this would show the tone generator is fine!) Then try 
> 
> bias adjustment. If the metal tape position works, there is less likely 
> to have 
> problem with bias oscillator. Try now some other type II tape ( 
> like Maxell XL 
> II or TDK SA tape! 
> )and check both level / bias can be calibrated. Finally try TDK 
> SA-X; 
> it should work. Observe what ever happen on these steps and report to get 
> 
> an idea of the problem if any. I have noticed record head misalignment 
> sometimes 
> cause one channel problem. There is likel 
> y problem 
> in some caps on one channel but I have not noticed anything of that 
> 
> sort - when compared to head misalignment. 
> Finally answer to your other 
> question - yes there is another set of adjustment 
> preset pots inside to 
> set the bias center position- but generally require no 
> attention 
> 
> hope this helps 
> kannan 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: pieboy at att.net 
> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:56 am 
> 
> Subject: Bias Adjustment on Nak Dragon 
> 
> > Hi 
> Kannan, 
> > 
> > I have a Nak Dragon that seems to work well, 
> but I can not 
> > correctly adjust the bia! 
> s on one channel using the SX tape 
> > position (the bias re 
> 
> ads about one or two bars two high on the 
> > meter for that channel). 
> I haven't tried the EX or ZX tape 
> > positions because I don't have 
> appropriate blank tapes, but I will 
> > try those soon to see if the 
> problem affects those too. 
> > 
> > My questions: 
> 
> > 
> > 1. Is there a coarse adjustment for the bias inside the 
> machine to 
> > set the range for the front panel control? 2. Is this 
> problem 
> > something a technically competent non-expert (like myself) 
> might 
> > be able to adjust? 
> > 3. Is it more likely a bad 
> or out-of-spec part that must be 
> > replaced before the machine will 
> work properly? 
> > 4. Is this a common problem? 
> > 
> 
> > Thanks for your consideration! 
> > 
> > Best regards, 
> 
> > John Derven 
> > Eugene, Oregon 
> 
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  1 13:11:09 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 04:11:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] marathon 2 
References: <29622-40E37B3A-1320@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c45f5c$1dbef3e0$0b773242@CopyTech>

No problem.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <Naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:47 PM
Subject: [naktalk] marathon 2


> el magnifico-,my mony is on the way to you tommorow.save a set for me
> please. I am sorry I couldnt contribute,but I couldnt find my
> gear..really! Its here somewhere in my little apartment
> ,presumably,buried under tons of books,toys, games,stuffed animals
> ,models (not the fashion kind) and lots of other e-bay junk. Let me be
> the first to mention a possible marathon 3 ,and i will certainly
> contribute to thaT ,THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE HARD WORK AND EXPERTICE!
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  1 13:14:48 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 04:14:48 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45edc$81b2a0c0$70d7883e@oemcomputer><000f01c45f1f$f20b0590$4d773242@CopyTech>
	<007201c45f08$08c21250$d7b50642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <002301c45f5c$a047b360$0b773242@CopyTech>

The famous "check is in the mail" old story, ah ?

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Don't believe him Carlos, Gra'. says the same thing to his three ex. wives
> about their child support! ;-)
>
> John T. (aka Johnny ReVox)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > No problem, Gra'.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> >> Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you by the
> >> weekend, I expect.
> >>
> >> Gra'
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> >> > Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
> >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jay Benach
> >> > R. Obenauf
> >> > Robert J. Kent
> >> > Tim Barrett
> >> > Brian Stocker
> >> > Mike Moore
> >> > Tony Boysick
> >> > Jon Ochi
> >> > John "revox" Tooley
> >> > Ti Kan
> >> > Dean Bauer
> >> >
> >> > That's all by now ...
> >> >
> >> > Carlos
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can
> > post
> >> > the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end ,
> >> > all of us who
> >> > sent money know that it had reached.
> >> > > kannan
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> >> > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >> > >
> >> > > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
> >> > > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
> >> > > > already. Thanks
> >> > > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
> >> > > > take care
> >> > > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> >> > > > resultsagain.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
> >> > > > from Cuba,
> >> > > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> >> > > > guests who
> >> > > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer,
Tascam,
> >> > > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> >> > > > interested sent
> >> > > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> >> > > > the Mark ii
> >> > > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but
> >> > > > no
> >> > > > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
> >> > > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
> >> > > > the project. My
> >> > > > special thanks to you, guys.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks again !
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Carlos
> >> > > >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 11:58:01 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:58:01 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45edc$81b2a0c0$70d7883e@oemcomputer><000f01c45f1f$f20b0590$4d773242@CopyTech>
	<007201c45f08$08c21250$d7b50642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV11hCl8aii000022f1d@hotmail.com>

Oye Carlos!

NO PUEDO CREERLO...! Vaya asunto, que te has metido! El Messiah...llegara
antes, que los cheques!!!

Buena Suerte!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Don't believe him Carlos, Gra'. says the same thing to his three ex. wives
> about their child support! ;-)
>
> John T. (aka Johnny ReVox)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > No problem, Gra'.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> >> Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you by the
> >> weekend, I expect.
> >>
> >> Gra'
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> >> > Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
> >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jay Benach
> >> > R. Obenauf
> >> > Robert J. Kent
> >> > Tim Barrett
> >> > Brian Stocker
> >> > Mike Moore
> >> > Tony Boysick
> >> > Jon Ochi
> >> > John "revox" Tooley
> >> > Ti Kan
> >> > Dean Bauer
> >> >
> >> > That's all by now ...
> >> >
> >> > Carlos
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you can
> > post
> >> > the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end ,
> >> > all of us who
> >> > sent money know that it had reached.
> >> > > kannan
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> >> > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >> > >
> >> > > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a few
> >> > > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has arrived
> >> > > > already. Thanks
> >> > > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so, they'll
> >> > > > take care
> >> > > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> >> > > > resultsagain.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a contribution
> >> > > > from Cuba,
> >> > > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> >> > > > guests who
> >> > > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer,
Tascam,
> >> > > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of Naks.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> >> > > > interested sent
> >> > > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> >> > > > the Mark ii
> >> > > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders but
> >> > > > no
> >> > > > authentication certificate could be included. I really appreciate
> >> > > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me with
> >> > > > the project. My
> >> > > > special thanks to you, guys.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks again !
> >> > > >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 12:28:11 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:28:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Many Nak. Dragon for sell!
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV4ZtOXzDwE800022a73@hotmail.com>


http://www.audioweb.com/Directory/ModelInfo.asp?modelid=9101


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 12:31:38 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:31:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Spare parts for many Naks! in Germany!!!
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5IBXEHt3V500022de0@hotmail.com>


http://www.sofort-bieten.com/cat-27795/Audio_Hi_Fi/Kassettendecks/Nakamichi/


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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  1 15:12:25 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:12:25 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45edc$81b2a0c0$70d7883e@oemcomputer><000f01c45f1f$f20b0590$4d773242@CopyTech><007201c45f08$08c21250$d7b50642@johnnyrotten>
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Este es el segundo que hacemos y al igual que el primero ha sido todo un
éxito !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Oye Carlos!
>
> NO PUEDO CREERLO...! Vaya asunto, que te has metido! El Messiah...llegara
> antes, que los cheques!!!
>
> Buena Suerte!!!
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Don't believe him Carlos, Gra'. says the same thing to his three ex.
wives
> > about their child support! ;-)
> >
> > John T. (aka Johnny ReVox)
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> > > No problem, Gra'.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >
> > >
> > >> Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you by the
> > >> weekend, I expect.
> > >>
> > >> Gra'
> > >>
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > >> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > >> > Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
> > >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Jay Benach
> > >> > R. Obenauf
> > >> > Robert J. Kent
> > >> > Tim Barrett
> > >> > Brian Stocker
> > >> > Mike Moore
> > >> > Tony Boysick
> > >> > Jon Ochi
> > >> > John "revox" Tooley
> > >> > Ti Kan
> > >> > Dean Bauer
> > >> >
> > >> > That's all by now ...
> > >> >
> > >> > Carlos
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you
can
> > > post
> > >> > the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end ,
> > >> > all of us who
> > >> > sent money know that it had reached.
> > >> > > kannan
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > >> > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a
few
> > >> > > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has
arrived
> > >> > > > already. Thanks
> > >> > > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so,
they'll
> > >> > > > take care
> > >> > > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> > >> > > > resultsagain.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a
contribution
> > >> > > > from Cuba,
> > >> > > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > >> > > > guests who
> > >> > > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer,
> Tascam,
> > >> > > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of
Naks.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > >> > > > interested sent
> > >> > > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> > >> > > > the Mark ii
> > >> > > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders
but
> > >> > > > no
> > >> > > > authentication certificate could be included. I really
appreciate
> > >> > > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me
with
> > >> > > > the project. My
> > >> > > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks again !
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Carlos
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
========---------------------------------------------------------
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> > >> > > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul  1 19:53:26 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:53:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
In-Reply-To: <007201c45f08$08c21250$d7b50642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <000d01c45f94$4f73bc80$df77893e@oemcomputer>

Damn!  John's found out my real identity!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> Sent: 01 July 2004 02:09
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> 
> 
> Don't believe him Carlos, Gra'. says the same thing to his three 
> ex. wives 
> about their child support! ;-)
> 
> John T. (aka Johnny ReVox)
> 
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul  1 19:53:28 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:53:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
In-Reply-To: <002301c45f5c$a047b360$0b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000e01c45f94$506f81a0$df77893e@oemcomputer>

WHAT?!   I resemble that comment!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 01 July 2004 12:15
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> The famous "check is in the mail" old story, ah ?
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Don't believe him Carlos, Gra'. says the same thing to his
> three ex. wives
> > about their child support! ;-)
> >
> > John T. (aka Johnny ReVox)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> > > No problem, Gra'.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >
> > >
> > >> Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you by the
> > >> weekend, I expect.
> > >>
> > >> Gra'
> > >>
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > >> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > >> > Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
> > >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Jay Benach
> > >> > R. Obenauf
> > >> > Robert J. Kent
> > >> > Tim Barrett
> > >> > Brian Stocker
> > >> > Mike Moore
> > >> > Tony Boysick
> > >> > Jon Ochi
> > >> > John "revox" Tooley
> > >> > Ti Kan
> > >> > Dean Bauer
> > >> >
> > >> > That's all by now ...
> > >> >
> > >> > Carlos
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time.
> If you can
> > > post
> > >> > the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end ,
> > >> > all of us who
> > >> > sent money know that it had reached.
> > >> > > kannan
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > >> > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll
> take a few
> > >> > > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks
> has arrived
> > >> > > > already. Thanks
> > >> > > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now,
> so, they'll
> > >> > > > take care
> > >> > > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love the
> > >> > > > resultsagain.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a
> contribution
> > >> > > > from Cuba,
> > >> > > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > >> > > > guests who
> > >> > > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer,
> Tascam,
> > >> > > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course:
> lot of Naks.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > >> > > > interested sent
> > >> > > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing for
> > >> > > > the Mark ii
> > >> > > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special
> orders but
> > >> > > > no
> > >> > > > authentication certificate could be included. I really
> appreciate
> > >> > > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to
> help me with
> > >> > > > the project. My
> > >> > > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks again !
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Carlos
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > > > =========          Register your Nak today!
> > >> > > >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 22:50:58 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:50:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45edc$81b2a0c0$70d7883e@oemcomputer><000f01c45f1f$f20b0590$4d773242@CopyTech><007201c45f08$08c21250$d7b50642@johnnyrotten><BAY18-DAV11hCl8aii000022f1d@hotmail.com>
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Emocionate....Felicitaciones!!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Este es el segundo que hacemos y al igual que el primero ha sido todo un
> éxito !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Oye Carlos!
> >
> > NO PUEDO CREERLO...! Vaya asunto, que te has metido! El
Messiah...llegara
> > antes, que los cheques!!!
> >
> > Buena Suerte!!!
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> > > Don't believe him Carlos, Gra'. says the same thing to his three ex.
> wives
> > > about their child support! ;-)
> > >
> > > John T. (aka Johnny ReVox)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >
> > >
> > > > No problem, Gra'.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you by
the
> > > >> weekend, I expect.
> > > >>
> > > >> Gra'
> > > >>
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]O
n
> > > >> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > > >> > Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
> > > >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Jay Benach
> > > >> > R. Obenauf
> > > >> > Robert J. Kent
> > > >> > Tim Barrett
> > > >> > Brian Stocker
> > > >> > Mike Moore
> > > >> > Tony Boysick
> > > >> > Jon Ochi
> > > >> > John "revox" Tooley
> > > >> > Ti Kan
> > > >> > Dean Bauer
> > > >> >
> > > >> > That's all by now ...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Carlos
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > > >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If you
> can
> > > > post
> > > >> > the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end ,
> > > >> > all of us who
> > > >> > sent money know that it had reached.
> > > >> > > kannan
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > >> > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take a
> few
> > > >> > > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has
> arrived
> > > >> > > > already. Thanks
> > > >> > > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so,
> they'll
> > > >> > > > take care
> > > >> > > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love
the
> > > >> > > > resultsagain.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a
> contribution
> > > >> > > > from Cuba,
> > > >> > > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of outside
> > > >> > > > guests who
> > > >> > > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer,
> > Tascam,
> > > >> > > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of
> Naks.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > > >> > > > interested sent
> > > >> > > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing
for
> > > >> > > > the Mark ii
> > > >> > > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special orders
> but
> > > >> > > > no
> > > >> > > > authentication certificate could be included. I really
> appreciate
> > > >> > > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me
> with
> > > >> > > > the project. My
> > > >> > > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Thanks again !
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Carlos
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul  2 02:51:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:51:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45edc$81b2a0c0$70d7883e@oemcomputer><000f01c45f1f$f20b0590$4d773242@CopyTech><007201c45f08$08c21250$d7b50642@johnnyrotten><BAY18-DAV11hCl8aii000022f1d@hotmail.com><000b01c45f6d$0dd0fad0$16773242@CopyTech>
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Message-ID: <001601c45fce$a842ac60$32773242@CopyTech>

Sí, debes pedir uno para que te emociones más ! Ja !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Emocionate....Felicitaciones!!!!
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Este es el segundo que hacemos y al igual que el primero ha sido todo un
> > éxito !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> > > Oye Carlos!
> > >
> > > NO PUEDO CREERLO...! Vaya asunto, que te has metido! El
> Messiah...llegara
> > > antes, que los cheques!!!
> > >
> > > Buena Suerte!!!
> > >
> > > ALEX!
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:09 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't believe him Carlos, Gra'. says the same thing to his three ex.
> > wives
> > > > about their child support! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > John T. (aka Johnny ReVox)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:00 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > No problem, Gra'.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you by
> the
> > > > >> weekend, I expect.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Gra'
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
[mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]O
> n
> > > > >> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > > > >> > Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
> > > > >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Jay Benach
> > > > >> > R. Obenauf
> > > > >> > Robert J. Kent
> > > > >> > Tim Barrett
> > > > >> > Brian Stocker
> > > > >> > Mike Moore
> > > > >> > Tony Boysick
> > > > >> > Jon Ochi
> > > > >> > John "revox" Tooley
> > > > >> > Ti Kan
> > > > >> > Dean Bauer
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > That's all by now ...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Carlos
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > > > >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> > > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If
you
> > can
> > > > > post
> > > > >> > the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end ,
> > > > >> > all of us who
> > > > >> > sent money know that it had reached.
> > > > >> > > kannan
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > >> > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll take
a
> > few
> > > > >> > > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has
> > arrived
> > > > >> > > > already. Thanks
> > > > >> > > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so,
> > they'll
> > > > >> > > > take care
> > > > >> > > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna love
> the
> > > > >> > > > resultsagain.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a
> > contribution
> > > > >> > > > from Cuba,
> > > > >> > > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of
outside
> > > > >> > > > guests who
> > > > >> > > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have Pioneer,
> > > Tascam,
> > > > >> > > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot of
> > Naks.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > > > >> > > > interested sent
> > > > >> > > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are doing
> for
> > > > >> > > > the Mark ii
> > > > >> > > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special
orders
> > but
> > > > >> > > > no
> > > > >> > > > authentication certificate could be included. I really
> > appreciate
> > > > >> > > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help me
> > with
> > > > >> > > > the project. My
> > > > >> > > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Thanks again !
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Carlos
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > ========---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >> > > > =========          Register your Nak today!
> > > > >> > > >
> > > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------
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> > > > >> > > > Maintain your account here:
> > > > >> > > >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  2 02:21:00 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 02:21:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
References: <000001c45edc$81b2a0c0$70d7883e@oemcomputer><000f01c45f1f$f20b0590$4d773242@CopyTech><007201c45f08$08c21250$d7b50642@johnnyrotten><BAY18-DAV11hCl8aii000022f1d@hotmail.com><000b01c45f6d$0dd0fad0$16773242@CopyTech><BAY18-DAV4YwQkVPn7100026371@hotmail.com>
	<001601c45fce$a842ac60$32773242@CopyTech>
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Gracias Hermano! Pero, estoy corto en dinero...MAS..., me han regalado
10,000 discos!!!
Asi...que hasta cuando "Estirare la Pata" (Dicho Peruano...cuando cerrare
los ojos, pa siempre!!!), NO se...si terminare de oir todo lo que me han
regalado? Tengo 61 anios de edad!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II


> Sí, debes pedir uno para que te emociones más ! Ja !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
>
>
> > Emocionate....Felicitaciones!!!!
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> >
> >
> > > Este es el segundo que hacemos y al igual que el primero ha sido todo
un
> > > éxito !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:58 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oye Carlos!
> > > >
> > > > NO PUEDO CREERLO...! Vaya asunto, que te has metido! El
> > Messiah...llegara
> > > > antes, que los cheques!!!
> > > >
> > > > Buena Suerte!!!
> > > >
> > > > ALEX!
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:09 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Don't believe him Carlos, Gra'. says the same thing to his three
ex.
> > > wives
> > > > > about their child support! ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > John T. (aka Johnny ReVox)
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:00 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > No problem, Gra'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Check, or cheque, is in the post, Carlos.  Should be with you
by
> > the
> > > > > >> weekend, I expect.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Gra'
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]O
> > n
> > > > > >> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > > > > >> > Sent: 01 July 2004 00:08
> > > > > >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Jay Benach
> > > > > >> > R. Obenauf
> > > > > >> > Robert J. Kent
> > > > > >> > Tim Barrett
> > > > > >> > Brian Stocker
> > > > > >> > Mike Moore
> > > > > >> > Tony Boysick
> > > > > >> > Jon Ochi
> > > > > >> > John "revox" Tooley
> > > > > >> > Ti Kan
> > > > > >> > Dean Bauer
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > That's all by now ...
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Carlos
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > > > > >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:19 PM
> > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > Thanks a lot Carlos for very quick turnaround this time. If
> you
> > > can
> > > > > > post
> > > > > >> > the list of people whose funds have arrived by this week end
,
> > > > > >> > all of us who
> > > > > >> > sent money know that it had reached.
> > > > > >> > > kannan
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> > > From: El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > >> > > Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:27 pm
> > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape: MK II
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > The Marathon Set Mk. II is under production now. It'll
take
> a
> > > few
> > > > > >> > > > weeksuntil all the sets are done. Most of the checks has
> > > arrived
> > > > > >> > > > already. Thanks
> > > > > >> > > > for the "speedy" process. My kids are off school now, so,
> > > they'll
> > > > > >> > > > take care
> > > > > >> > > > of the replication process. I'm sure you all are gonna
love
> > the
> > > > > >> > > > resultsagain.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > We have 2 contributors who are Grammy winners and a
> > > contribution
> > > > > >> > > > from Cuba,
> > > > > >> > > > EGREM Recording Studios ... We also have a couple of
> outside
> > > > > >> > > > guests who
> > > > > >> > > > contributed using their own non-nak decks. We have
Pioneer,
> > > > Tascam,
> > > > > >> > > > Technics, Tandberg the usual Revoxes and of course: lot
of
> > > Naks.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > I'll try to liquidate all sets at once, so please; those
> > > > > >> > > > interested sent
> > > > > >> > > > your funds ASAP in order to know how many sets we are
doing
> > for
> > > > > >> > > > the Mark ii
> > > > > >> > > > version. Mark i version could be arrange under special
> orders
> > > but
> > > > > >> > > > no
> > > > > >> > > > authentication certificate could be included. I really
> > > appreciate
> > > > > >> > > > thosemembers who have send some "extra" in order to help
me
> > > with
> > > > > >> > > > the project. My
> > > > > >> > > > special thanks to you, guys.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Thanks again !
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Carlos
> > > > > >> > > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul  2 09:22:04 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:22:04 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak Turntable
In-Reply-To: <002301c45f5c$a047b360$0b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000a01c46005$46444a00$adae4e51@oemcomputer>

I see there is another Nak Dragon turntable on eBay at the mo', complete
with an un-named cartridge (allegedly bought for $600) and a Perreaux SM2
pre-amp.  It's hit over $1.3k with 5 days to go but it's not hit the
reserve!

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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul  2 13:37:23 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:37:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] marathon 2 
References: <29622-40E37B3A-1320@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c46028$f19022d0$08773242@CopyTech>

Tom: Your funds arrived today. Thanks.

Carlos


From britri at comcast.net  Fri Jul  2 16:40:01 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:40:01 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cd/cassette player
References: <c95a9dc8f618.c8f618c95a9d@vsnl.net>
	<BAY18-DAV17JXsNQptg0000f63b@hotmail.com>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  2 16:50:41 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:50:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
Message-ID: <BAY2-F2RmTg9kD9zWyH0004de84@hotmail.com>

All:

I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact me...I will 
ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.

neil

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jul  3 02:00:15 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:00:15 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
References: <29622-40E37B3A-1320@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c46090$b907a6a0$6d773242@CopyTech>

Hello Folks:

I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It is a 2 legged
transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%

My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no replacements for
it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. Thanks God the MK
ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !

Carlos



From ti at amb.org  Fri Jul  2 22:58:20 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:58:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
In-Reply-To: <000b01c46090$b907a6a0$6d773242@CopyTech> from "El Magnifico" at
	Jul 02, 2004 05:00:15 PM
Message-ID: <200407022058.UAA26991@amb.org>

El Magnifico writes:
> I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It is a 2 legged
> transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
> 
> My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no replacements for
> it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. Thanks God the MK
> ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !

If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More likely
a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is it possible for you
to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?

-Ti
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From enoyes at snet.net  Sat Jul  3 02:57:05 2004
From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:57:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] cd/cassette player
In-Reply-To: <40E573C1.2030504@comcast.net>
References: <c95a9dc8f618.c8f618c95a9d@vsnl.net>	<BAY18-DAV17JXsNQptg0000f63b@hotmail.com>
	<40E573C1.2030504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <40E60461.3060605@snet.net>

Hi Brian, It's a rather poor excuse for a Nakamichi with performance 
that falls well short of the namesake.

Best, Ed

Brian Stocker wrote:

> i saw this on the bay.  Does it do any of the 2 functions well or is 
> it junk?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3824603488&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3824603488&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1>
>
> happy independence day
>
> Brian
>
> Alex Cozac wrote:
>
>>Bravo...my dear Friend!
>>
>>Now I'm very happy!, of course that "TILL"...today all works flawless!!!
>>
>>All my best wishes, and be well always!!!
>>
>>ALEX!
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:11 AM
>>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Not a stupid question Alex - without questions we cannot learn ! Even
>>>    
>>>
>>Dragon may need attention but its auto azimuth corrects continuously and so
>>better off than many other non correcting decks!!
>>  
>>
>>>If it plays all those tapes wonderfully why worry?
>>>kannan
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>>Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:34 pm
>>>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>>Dear Kannan!
>>>>
>>>>A stupid question!
>>>>
>>>>It's possible that this can happen with my barely used Dragon? As the
>>>>playback head I  REALLY HOPE..., is monitoring himself during ALL the
>>>>recording/playback cassette length?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for such noble information!
>>>>
>>>>Happy listening.
>>>>
>>>>ALEX!
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
>>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:15 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Tom and others
>>>>>the assumption here is that Meter level calibration is fine as
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>well as
>>>>playback level calibration - which may not be true in most of the used
>>>>cassette decks! However I have also seen Used Naks in almost pristine
>>>>alignment and recording condition!
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>> A good calibration ( to get to the top performance of any nak )
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>requiresoriginal Nak gauges and alignment tapes plus high
>>>>bandwidth DMM or AC VTVM /
>>>>signal generator! The 15 Khz sine wave tone will not be read off
>>>>exactlyas -20 db by many multimeters. Many DIY selfers will get
>>>>confused over
>>>>indication of less than -30 to -35dB of perfectly correct -20db 15 Khz
>>>>signal( Nak meters themselves will show as -30db excepting 582 '
>>>>analogmeter).
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>Any one having correctly aligned deck with regular alignment
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>tapes can
>>>>make approximate calibration tapes for level and azimuth (while
>>>>head height
>>>>cannot be adjusted without orginal Nak tape nor we can duplicate
>>>>that tape?)
>>>>you can get to meter level adjustment/ playback level adjustment
>>>>probablyvery near record bias & level adjustment using such tapes.
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>Also note this find - I found the play azimuth was changing from
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>start of
>>>>tape to one quarter of very good TDK MA 90 Tape- on Cassette Deck
>>>>1. You go
>>>>to the end of tape the record azimuth change caused the 15 Khz
>>>>output to
>>>>fall to 40% of orginal!  So I had adjusted the record head azimuth
>>>>using the
>>>>middle portion of MA tape so that the error is equally distributed
>>>>from the
>>>>beginning to end. If the capstan belt is slightly slack you will find
>>>>Azimuth is changing depending on Capstan speed differential
>>>>continuously-
>>>>While recorded music does not show variation on listening!!!! So
>>>>the capstan
>>>>belt and other associated parts should be functioning well to make the
>>>>calibration work for you!
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>> Try peaking of signals on both the channel for 15 Khz azimuth
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>adjustmentwill do( both should raise not one channel increase
>>>>while the other decrease
>>>>which is due to head heigh misalignment - ignore meter reading on
>>>>Nak decks
>>>>or your multi meter!
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>Sorry for interrupting and this posting is in no way criticizing
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>Tom'guidance which is excellent and informative.
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>kannan
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>>>>>Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 3:26 pm
>>>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's pretty much the same procedure but with one extra step (this
>>>>>>applies to
>>>>>>all nak 3 head units). After you have accurately adjusted the
>>>>>>playback head
>>>>>>height and azimuth, you then need to do the record head. Grab
>>>>>>yourself a
>>>>>>good blank tape and pop it in your RX505, adjust the eq/bias and
>>>>>>turn off
>>>>>>any noise reduction (no B or C). Connect a frequency generator or
>>>>>>plug your
>>>>>>pc into the line in of your deck, press the monitor switch to
>>>>>>source and
>>>>>>generate the 400Hz tone, adjust record levels until they read 0dB
>>>>>>on the
>>>>>>meters. Now press the record button on your deck and press the
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>monitor> > switch to tape and look at the meters, are they at 0dB?
>>>>if not
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>then you need
>>>>>>to adjust the head height screw for the record head until it
>>>>>>reaches 0dB (or
>>>>>>close to it). After you have done this you will need to pump
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>in a
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>15KHz tone
>>>>>>to your deck and this time the levels should be adjusted until the
>>>>>>metersshow -20dB. Now continue recording onto the blank tape and
>>>>>>look at the
>>>>>>meters, are they at 15KHz? If not adjust your azimuth screw for
>>>>>>the record
>>>>>>head until they read -20dB (or close to it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well that's about it, the last thing you should do is record some
>>>>>>music onto your blank tape and play it on another deck and listen
>>>>>>to the
>>>>>>quality. If you like what you hear then pat yourself on the back,
>>>>>>if you
>>>>>>don't like what you hear then repeat the process - you may have
>>>>>>not adjusted
>>>>>>something quite right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please only do this if your deck has been messed around with,
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>do not
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>adjust the screws if you machine is ok - just my 2 cents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tom Siomopoulos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: neil lipes [neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:29
>>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tom:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How do I do this on my RX-505?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>>>>>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>>>>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>two test
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>tone at
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>it is in
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>deck this
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>>procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>the tones on
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>the 400Hz
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>until both
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>need to
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>>playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>point to
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>your>alignment back into place. I have used this method before on
>>>>>>my BX300,
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>680ZX
>>>>>>>and my ZX9 with no trouble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hope this helps you out Nick.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Nick Mega [teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
>>>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Guys
>>>>>>>I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>playback> > >sound is not right...
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>>the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>azimuth>and head height.
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>can adjust
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>>this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>i would
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>>>generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>play it
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>in my
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>theory only do it gently.
>>>>>>>Any help will be apprecited
>>>>>>>Cheers
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jul  3 09:27:14 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 00:27:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
References: <200407022058.UAA26991@amb.org>
Message-ID: <000901c460cf$2a343da0$6d773242@CopyTech>

You know what Ti ? After posting the message, I figure that out. I think it
is a resistor. It looks like an small transistor but only with 2 legs. I
guess the numbers are referred to 100.00 ohms and 5% of tolerance, if I'm
correct. We replaced a transistor,  2 capacitors and put a new fuse in the
left channel board where a capacitor melts down. It turns on and everything
looks fine except for these 2 things that gets really hot.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts


> El Magnifico writes:
> > I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It is a 2 legged
> > transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
> >
> > My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no replacements
for
> > it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. Thanks God the
MK
> > ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !
>
> If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More likely
> a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is it possible for you
> to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jul  3 09:28:28 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 00:28:28 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cd/cassette player
References: <c95a9dc8f618.c8f618c95a9d@vsnl.net>	<BAY18-DAV17JXsNQptg0000f63b@hotmail.com><40E573C1.2030504@comcast.net>
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Hey Ed  ! Where you been ? Welcome back.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Edward Noyes 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 5:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd/cassette player


  Hi Brian, It's a rather poor excuse for a Nakamichi with performance that falls well short of the namesake.

  Best, Ed

  Brian Stocker wrote:

    i saw this on the bay.  Does it do any of the 2 functions well or is it junk?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3824603488&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

    happy independence day

    Brian

    Alex Cozac wrote:

Bravo...my dear Friend!

Now I'm very happy!, of course that "TILL"...today all works flawless!!!

All my best wishes, and be well always!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


  Not a stupid question Alex - without questions we cannot learn ! Even
    Dragon may need attention but its auto azimuth corrects continuously and so
better off than many other non correcting decks!!
  If it plays all those tapes wonderfully why worry?
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M

    Dear Kannan!

A stupid question!

It's possible that this can happen with my barely used Dragon? As the
playback head I  REALLY HOPE..., is monitoring himself during ALL the
recording/playback cassette length?

Thanks for such noble information!

Happy listening.

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


      Hi Tom and others
the assumption here is that Meter level calibration is fine as
        well as
playback level calibration - which may not be true in most of the used
cassette decks! However I have also seen Used Naks in almost pristine
alignment and recording condition!
       A good calibration ( to get to the top performance of any nak )
        requiresoriginal Nak gauges and alignment tapes plus high
bandwidth DMM or AC VTVM /
signal generator! The 15 Khz sine wave tone will not be read off
exactlyas -20 db by many multimeters. Many DIY selfers will get
confused over
indication of less than -30 to -35dB of perfectly correct -20db 15 Khz
signal( Nak meters themselves will show as -30db excepting 582 '
analogmeter).
      Any one having correctly aligned deck with regular alignment
        tapes can
make approximate calibration tapes for level and azimuth (while
head height
cannot be adjusted without orginal Nak tape nor we can duplicate
that tape?)
you can get to meter level adjustment/ playback level adjustment
probablyvery near record bias & level adjustment using such tapes.
      Also note this find - I found the play azimuth was changing from
        start of
tape to one quarter of very good TDK MA 90 Tape- on Cassette Deck
1. You go
to the end of tape the record azimuth change caused the 15 Khz
output to
fall to 40% of orginal!  So I had adjusted the record head azimuth
using the
middle portion of MA tape so that the error is equally distributed
from the
beginning to end. If the capstan belt is slightly slack you will find
Azimuth is changing depending on Capstan speed differential
continuously-
While recorded music does not show variation on listening!!!! So
the capstan
belt and other associated parts should be functioning well to make the
calibration work for you!
       Try peaking of signals on both the channel for 15 Khz azimuth
        adjustmentwill do( both should raise not one channel increase
while the other decrease
which is due to head heigh misalignment - ignore meter reading on
Nak decks
or your multi meter!
      Sorry for interrupting and this posting is in no way criticizing
        Tom'guidance which is excellent and informative.
      kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 3:26 pm
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M

        It's pretty much the same procedure but with one extra step (this
applies to
all nak 3 head units). After you have accurately adjusted the
playback head
height and azimuth, you then need to do the record head. Grab
yourself a
good blank tape and pop it in your RX505, adjust the eq/bias and
turn off
any noise reduction (no B or C). Connect a frequency generator or
plug your
pc into the line in of your deck, press the monitor switch to
source and
generate the 400Hz tone, adjust record levels until they read 0dB
on the
meters. Now press the record button on your deck and press the
          monitor> > switch to tape and look at the meters, are they at 0dB?
if not
      then you need
to adjust the head height screw for the record head until it
reaches 0dB (or
close to it). After you have done this you will need to pump
          in a
      15KHz tone
to your deck and this time the levels should be adjusted until the
metersshow -20dB. Now continue recording onto the blank tape and
look at the
meters, are they at 15KHz? If not adjust your azimuth screw for
the record
head until they read -20dB (or close to it).

Well that's about it, the last thing you should do is record some
music onto your blank tape and play it on another deck and listen
to the
quality. If you like what you hear then pat yourself on the back,
if you
don't like what you hear then repeat the process - you may have
not adjusted
something quite right.

Please only do this if your deck has been messed around with,
          do not
      adjust the screws if you machine is ok - just my 2 cents.

Regards,

Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: neil lipes [neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:29
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


Tom:

How do I do this on my RX-505?

Neil


          From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:15:23 +1000

Nick here's what you need to do. First of all you need to record
            two test
          tones on a blank tape, a 400Hz reference tone at 0dB and a 15KHz
            tone at
          around -20dB. You need to record these on an existing deck that
            it is in
          good shape (not the 580M). Now since the 580M is a two head
            deck this
      procedure is going to be fairly quick. After you have recorded
            the tones on
          a good quality tape, pop it in the 580M and press play. Playback
            the 400Hz
          reference tone and with your screwdriver adjust the head height
            until both
          needles point to (or close to) 0dB. After this procedure you
            need to
      playback the 15KHz tone and adjust the Azimuth until both needles
            point to
          (or close to) -20dB. This is a rough but not a bad way of getting
            your>alignment back into place. I have used this method before on
my BX300,
          680ZX
and my ZX9 with no trouble.

Hope this helps you out Nick.

Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Mega [teethrus at bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 12:41
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth on 580 M


Hi Guys
I bought a 580 some time ago off ebay and the recorded and
            playback> > >sound is not right...
      the frquency response does not seem to be flat so i figure its
            azimuth>and head height.
          Now i know its difficult but is there a proceedure where i
            can adjust
      this myself.. i will need a frequency generator so i figured
            i would
      generate the frequency(s) on my pc record that to cd and then
            play it
          thru my cd player as i am taping it.... feel free to shoot holes
            in my
          theory only do it gently.
Any help will be apprecited
Cheers
Nick mega
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From ti at amb.org  Sat Jul  3 06:26:24 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:26:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
In-Reply-To: <000901c460cf$2a343da0$6d773242@CopyTech> from "El Magnifico" at
	Jul 03, 2004 12:27:14 AM
Message-ID: <200407030426.EAA07012@amb.org>

Does it seem to work correctly now?  A very hot resistor "might" still
indicate that something is amiss.  But then sometimes a resistor is
designed to run hot.  If the part in question is a power resistor
then that would be a clue.  You should only replace it with another resistor
with similar power ratings.

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El Magnifico writes:
> You know what Ti ? After posting the message, I figure that out. I think it
> is a resistor. It looks like an small transistor but only with 2 legs. I
> guess the numbers are referred to 100.00 ohms and 5% of tolerance, if I'm
> correct. We replaced a transistor,  2 capacitors and put a new fuse in the
> left channel board where a capacitor melts down. It turns on and everything
> looks fine except for these 2 things that gets really hot.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts
> 
> 
> > El Magnifico writes:
> > > I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It is a 2 legged
> > > transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
> > >
> > > My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no replacements
> for
> > > it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. Thanks God the
> MK
> > > ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !
> >
> > If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More likely
> > a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is it possible for you
> > to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?



From jmo at sireconnect.de  Sat Jul  3 03:27:57 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 03:27:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
In-Reply-To: <200407022058.UAA26991@amb.org>
References: <000b01c46090$b907a6a0$6d773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040703032757.015ec508@mail.sireconnect.de>

At 13:58 02.07.2004 -0700, Ti Kan wrote:
>El Magnifico writes:
>> I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It is a 2 legged
>> transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
>> 
>> My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no replacements for
>> it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. Thanks God the MK
>> ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !
>
>If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More likely
>a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is it possible for you
>to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?

You're probably right, Ti.
Look at this one:
http://www.rhopoint.co.uk/components/PR/Pdfs/mp850.pdf

regards, jo


From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Jul  3 06:59:49 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 0:59:49 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
Message-ID: <20040703045947.IGAL26998.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

I think you're right.

Here's a link to a place that lists the MP808

http://www.hkinventory.com/public/OfferInventResult.asp


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/07/03 Sat AM 03:27:14 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts
> 
> You know what Ti ? After posting the message, I figure that out. I think it
> is a resistor. It looks like an small transistor but only with 2 legs. I
> guess the numbers are referred to 100.00 ohms and 5% of tolerance, if I'm
> correct. We replaced a transistor,  2 capacitors and put a new fuse in the
> left channel board where a capacitor melts down. It turns on and everything
> looks fine except for these 2 things that gets really hot.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts
> 
> 
> > El Magnifico writes:
> > > I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It is a 2 legged
> > > transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
> > >
> > > My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no replacements
> for
> > > it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. Thanks God the
> MK
> > > ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !
> >
> > If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More likely
> > a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is it possible for you
> > to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?
> >
> > -Ti
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From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 1:10:49 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
Message-ID: <20040703051047.LPRD5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Ti,

It's a power resistor on a TO-220 package.  All transistor have at least three leads.

Go here and select the top link.  It will bring up some product by Caddock.  On the very first page will show the MP808.  Is this the part you are talking about?  If so, an larger electronics shop should be able to get it for you.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=mp808+transistor&fr=my_top





> 
> From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
> Date: 2004/07/02 Fri PM 04:58:20 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts
> 
> El Magnifico writes:
> > I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It is a 2 legged
> > transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
> > 
> > My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no replacements for
> > it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. Thanks God the MK
> > ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !
> 
> If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More likely
> a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is it possible for you
> to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?
> 
> -Ti
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jul  3 23:10:43 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:10:43 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
References: <200407030426.EAA07012@amb.org>
Message-ID: <000701c46142$341abd80$0b773242@CopyTech>

Exactly. Since we opened it, I wish to replace both.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts


> Does it seem to work correctly now?  A very hot resistor "might" still
> indicate that something is amiss.  But then sometimes a resistor is
> designed to run hot.  If the part in question is a power resistor
> then that would be a clue.  You should only replace it with another
resistor
> with similar power ratings.
>
> -Ti
> -- 
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
>
> El Magnifico writes:
> > You know what Ti ? After posting the message, I figure that out. I think
it
> > is a resistor. It looks like an small transistor but only with 2 legs. I
> > guess the numbers are referred to 100.00 ohms and 5% of tolerance, if
I'm
> > correct. We replaced a transistor,  2 capacitors and put a new fuse in
the
> > left channel board where a capacitor melts down. It turns on and
everything
> > looks fine except for these 2 things that gets really hot.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts
> >
> >
> > > El Magnifico writes:
> > > > I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It is a 2
legged
> > > > transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
> > > >
> > > > My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no
replacements
> > for
> > > > it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. Thanks God
the
> > MK
> > > > ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !
> > >
> > > If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More likely
> > > a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is it possible for
you
> > > to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jul  3 23:22:23 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:22:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
References: <200407030426.EAA07012@amb.org>
Message-ID: <004401c46143$d534d8d0$0b773242@CopyTech>

Definetely is a power resistor, Ti.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts


> Does it seem to work correctly now?  A very hot resistor "might" still
> indicate that something is amiss.  But then sometimes a resistor is
> designed to run hot.  If the part in question is a power resistor
> then that would be a clue.  You should only replace it with another
resistor
> with similar power ratings.
>
> -Ti
> -- 
>  R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
>  |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>    | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>    2 4 6
>
> El Magnifico writes:
> > You know what Ti ? After posting the message, I figure that out. I think
it
> > is a resistor. It looks like an small transistor but only with 2 legs. I
> > guess the numbers are referred to 100.00 ohms and 5% of tolerance, if
I'm
> > correct. We replaced a transistor,  2 capacitors and put a new fuse in
the
> > left channel board where a capacitor melts down. It turns on and
everything
> > looks fine except for these 2 things that gets really hot.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts
> >
> >
> > > El Magnifico writes:
> > > > I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It is a 2
legged
> > > > transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
> > > >
> > > > My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no
replacements
> > for
> > > > it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. Thanks God
the
> > MK
> > > > ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !
> > >
> > > If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More likely
> > > a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is it possible for
you
> > > to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?
>
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sat Jul  3 22:26:27 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:26:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] cd/cassette player
In-Reply-To: <40E573C1.2030504@comcast.net>
References: <c95a9dc8f618.c8f618c95a9d@vsnl.net>
	<BAY18-DAV17JXsNQptg0000f63b@hotmail.com>
	<40E573C1.2030504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040703161133.021670b0@pop.iquebec.com>

CP-1 was companion to the RS-1 mini-receiver/speaker package. It is more a 
lifestyle product than a hi-fi piece. The cassette section is an 
auto-reverse side-loading job of the caliber you would find in an average 
car stereo. It is Dolby B only. The CD player section is nothing special 
either. Function buttons are not always quite responsive, presumably 
because it uses a slow microprocessor. I have owned the RS-1/CP-1 package 
for as long as they have existed. It's in my office and I don't use very 
often. The sound does not hurt my ears but I would not rate it much higher 
than this. To the best of my knowledge, there never was a service manual 
produced for it.

-Marc


At 10:40 2004/07/02, you wrote:
>i saw this on the bay.  Does it do any of the 2 functions well or is it junk?
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3824603488&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3824603488&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
>
>happy independence day
>
>Brian




From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Jul  3 16:41:49 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 07:41:49 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
Message-ID: <10de41110e453a.10e453a10de411@vsnl.net>

"MP" indicates Caddock power resistor - the series refers power rating generally 5 -20 W rating They can run quite hot which is normal. One can look at Caddock website or Micheal percy catalogue for the item. If the circuit works it should be fine
kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
Date: Friday, July 2, 2004 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts

> Does it seem to work correctly now?  A very hot resistor "might" still
> indicate that something is amiss.  But then sometimes a resistor is
> designed to run hot.  If the part in question is a power resistor
> then that would be a clue.  You should only replace it with 
> another resistor
> with similar power ratings.
> 
> -Ti
> -- 
> R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
> |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
>   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
>   2 4 6
> 
> El Magnifico writes:
> > You know what Ti ? After posting the message, I figure that out. 
> I think it
> > is a resistor. It looks like an small transistor but only with 2 
> legs. I
> > guess the numbers are referred to 100.00 ohms and 5% of 
> tolerance, if I'm
> > correct. We replaced a transistor,  2 capacitors and put a new 
> fuse in the
> > left channel board where a capacitor melts down. It turns on and 
> everything> looks fine except for these 2 things that gets really hot.
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts
> > 
> > 
> > > El Magnifico writes:
> > > > I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It 
> is a 2 legged
> > > > transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
> > > >
> > > > My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no 
> replacements> for
> > > > it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp. 
> Thanks God the
> > MK
> > > > ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !
> > >
> > > If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More 
> likely> > a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is 
> it possible for you
> > > to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?
> 
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Jul  4 03:43:49 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:43:49 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5BD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

A BX200?! Is there such a beast?

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 3 July 2004 12:51 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Deck


All:

I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact me...I will 
ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.

neil

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Jul  4 03:44:18 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:44:18 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] marathon 2 
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5BE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Thanks Carlos for the info.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] 
Sent: Friday, 2 July 2004 9:37 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] marathon 2 


Tom: Your funds arrived today. Thanks.

Carlos
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sun Jul  4 04:08:16 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:08:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5BD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5BD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040703220753.0233b4b8@pop.iquebec.com>

I was wondering too...

At 21:43 2004/07/03, you wrote:
>A BX200?! Is there such a beast?
>
>         Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Saturday, 3 July 2004 12:51 AM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Deck
>
>
>All:
>
>I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact me...I will
>ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
>
>neil




From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri Jul  2 22:15:16 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:15:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F2RmTg9kD9zWyH0004de84@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F2RmTg9kD9zWyH0004de84@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40E5C254.8060107@rcn.com>

neil lipes wrote:

> All:
>
> I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact me...I 
> will ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
>
> neil
>
Depending on where you are, I'd like to take advantage of your offer.
I have a BX-100 that I's like to bring back to life. Where are you
located?

Regards,

-- Ron




From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Jul  4 10:14:14 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 10:14:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
Message-ID: <s0e7d88e.052@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Bet you all it's a dyslexically challenged BX100.

Marc

>>> ra.ah at rcn.com 07/02/04 10:15PM >>>
neil lipes wrote:

> All:
>
> I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact
me...I 
> will ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
>
> neil
>
Depending on where you are, I'd like to take advantage of your offer.
I have a BX-100 that I's like to bring back to life. Where are you
located?

Regards,

-- Ron


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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Jul  4 10:23:07 2004
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From calijente at gmx.net  Sat Jul  3 20:17:27 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:17:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F2RmTg9kD9zWyH0004de84@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003201c46129$ffe297d0$837cce80@Tweezzy>

Hi Neil,

I am not familiar with BX-200, but assuming that it is similar to the rest
of BX series, I would need the reel motor assembly (CA80728A), if still
available. I can accommodate the whole deck, if you don't have time to
disassemble it.

Thank you,

Gabe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:51 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Deck
> 
> 
> All:
> 
> I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please 
> contact me...I will 
> ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
> 
> neil
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From britri at comcast.net  Sat Jul  3 18:52:30 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:52:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cd/cassette player
References: <c95a9dc8f618.c8f618c95a9d@vsnl.net>	<BAY18-DAV17JXsNQptg0000f63b@hotmail.com>	<40E573C1.2030504@comcast.net>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  4 05:51:45 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:51:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
Message-ID: <BAY2-F32CbkSFGMrbma0007e300@hotmail.com>

Ron:

Sorry it was a BX-2...and am sorry to report that it was disposed of...but 
living in NYC one never knows what one can run across...this deck was just 
put out with the trash by someone...so I'm always peeking in trash put our 
for disposal....20 years ago I found a Roberts 1040 ..just what I could have 
used as I too had this deck from new in 62!

Neil


>From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck
>Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:15:16 -0400
>
>neil lipes wrote:
>
>>All:
>>
>>I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact me...I 
>>will ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
>>
>>neil
>>
>Depending on where you are, I'd like to take advantage of your offer.
>I have a BX-100 that I's like to bring back to life. Where are you
>located?
>
>Regards,
>
>-- Ron
>
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From roleo at telus.net  Sun Jul  4 06:06:05 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:06:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
References: <BAY2-F2RmTg9kD9zWyH0004de84@hotmail.com>
	<40E5C254.8060107@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4617c$3a6764b0$6401a8c0@desktop>

I would be interested in just seeing a picture of a BX-200. 

I've seen BX-100, BX-125, BX-150 and of course one of my favorites, a BX-300.    

Could the BX-200 be something that was only released in Japan?  Perhaps a scaled down BX-300?

-- Roland A. 

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck


> neil lipes wrote:
> 
> > All:
> >
> > I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact me...I 
> > will ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
> >
> > neil
> >
> Depending on where you are, I'd like to take advantage of your offer.
> I have a BX-100 that I's like to bring back to life. Where are you
> located?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- Ron
> 
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  4 05:46:24 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:46:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
Message-ID: <BAY2-F24u4dl1YzgHso0000a0e2@hotmail.com>

It was a BX-2...sorry.


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Deck
>Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:43:49 +1000
>
>A BX200?! Is there such a beast?
>
>	Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: neil lipes [mailto:neillipes628 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Saturday, 3 July 2004 12:51 AM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Deck
>
>
>All:
>
>I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact me...I will
>ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
>
>neil
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Jul  4 07:51:30 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 1:51:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
Message-ID: <20040704055130.WJYY12076.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

I've only had my CR-7A for three months or so and I've yet to clean or demagnetize the heads.  It probably has less than 15 hours since I've own it.

In my younger days of audio (late 70's), I seem to recall cleaning the heads with a simple Q-tip but I recall a lubricant to polish the heads after cleaning.

Is this still an accepted practice of cleaning and lubricating the heads?

Roland



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul  4 15:37:23 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:37:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
In-Reply-To: <s0e7d88e.052@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <001901c461cc$09dcbb60$a38e4c51@oemcomputer>

No mate, that's the XB010.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: 04 July 2004 09:14
> To: naktalk at naks.com; ra.ah at rcn.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck
>
>
> Bet you all it's a dyslexically challenged BX100.
>
> Marc
>
> >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 07/02/04 10:15PM >>>
> neil lipes wrote:
>
> > All:
> >
> > I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact
> me...I
> > will ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
> >
> > neil
> >
> Depending on where you are, I'd like to take advantage of your offer.
> I have a BX-100 that I's like to bring back to life. Where are you
> located?
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Ron
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jul  4 19:05:46 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 10:05:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Parts
References: <10de41110e453a.10e453a10de411@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c461e9$2675dff0$07773242@CopyTech>

Thanks, Kannan !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts


> "MP" indicates Caddock power resistor - the series refers power rating
generally 5 -20 W rating They can run quite hot which is normal. One can
look at Caddock website or Micheal percy catalogue for the item. If the
circuit works it should be fine
> kannan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ti Kan <ti at amb.org>
> Date: Friday, July 2, 2004 9:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts
>
> > Does it seem to work correctly now?  A very hot resistor "might" still
> > indicate that something is amiss.  But then sometimes a resistor is
> > designed to run hot.  If the part in question is a power resistor
> > then that would be a clue.  You should only replace it with
> > another resistor
> > with similar power ratings.
> >
> > -Ti
> > -- 
> > R 1 3 5  Ti Kan
> > |_|_|_|  http://www.amb.org/ti
> >   | | |  Vorsprung durch Technik
> >   2 4 6
> >
> > El Magnifico writes:
> > > You know what Ti ? After posting the message, I figure that out.
> > I think it
> > > is a resistor. It looks like an small transistor but only with 2
> > legs. I
> > > guess the numbers are referred to 100.00 ohms and 5% of
> > tolerance, if I'm
> > > correct. We replaced a transistor,  2 capacitors and put a new
> > fuse in the
> > > left channel board where a capacitor melts down. It turns on and
> > everything> looks fine except for these 2 things that gets really hot.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parts
> > >
> > >
> > > > El Magnifico writes:
> > > > > I need the following part for one of my mastering eq's. It
> > is a 2 legged
> > > > > transistor like with the part number: MP 808 / 100.0 / 5%
> > > > >
> > > > > My local sources don't carry it and apparently there're no
> > replacements> for
> > > > > it. If somebody finds it, I'll fully appreciate the hekp.
> > Thanks God the
> > > MK
> > > > > ii Marathon Set were mastered before he "blew" away !
> > > >
> > > > If it's two-legged, then it's probably not a transistor.  More
> > likely> > a resistor or capacitor based on your description.  Is
> > it possible for you
> > > > to post a digital photo of it, so we may help identify what it is?
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Jul  4 20:12:13 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:12:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
Message-ID: <s0e864a2.038@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Ecaxlty Gra,

Thta's awht I meatn!!

Rmca

>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 07/04/04 03:37PM >>>
No mate, that's the XB010.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
> Sent: 04 July 2004 09:14
> To: naktalk at naks.com; ra.ah at rcn.com 
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck
>
>
> Bet you all it's a dyslexically challenged BX100.
>
> Marc
>
> >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 07/02/04 10:15PM >>>
> neil lipes wrote:
>
> > All:
> >
> > I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact
> me...I
> > will ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
> >
> > neil
> >
> Depending on where you are, I'd like to take advantage of your
offer.
> I have a BX-100 that I's like to bring back to life. Where are you
> located?
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Ron
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  4 21:54:53 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:54:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
References: <20040704055130.WJYY12076.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV7qLpHkatd400036059@hotmail.com>

Hi Roland!

I still using "Q"- tip, dipped with pure alcohol solution since 1961, when I
received my first Reel to Reel tape a Revox A-36 one. However this spray one
it's better, sprayed to a "Q"- tip and since earlier 80's, works superbly
with all my tapes decks, today I use it only with my received Dragon one.

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:51 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication


> I've only had my CR-7A for three months or so and I've yet to clean or
demagnetize the heads.  It probably has less than 15 hours since I've own
it.
>
> In my younger days of audio (late 70's), I seem to recall cleaning the
heads with a simple Q-tip but I recall a lubricant to polish the heads after
cleaning.
>
> Is this still an accepted practice of cleaning and lubricating the heads?
>
> Roland
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Sun Jul  4 15:36:25 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:36:25 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] US Independence Day Greetings
Message-ID: <1a0.268018ef.2e1961d9@aol.com>

Thanks, and to all of you I wish the same...

Anthony
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Jul  4 15:48:11 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 9:48:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Deck
Message-ID: <20040704134811.NCTO17721.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

I get it.  It erases your tapes as it records.


> 
> From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> Date: 2004/07/04 Sun AM 04:14:14 EDT
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>,  <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Deck
> 
> Bet you all it's a dyslexically challenged BX100.
> 
> Marc
> 
> >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 07/02/04 10:15PM >>>
> neil lipes wrote:
> 
> > All:
> >
> > I have just found a BX-200..if anyone wants this please contact
> me...I 
> > will ship to a person in need of parts for the cost of shipping.
> >
> > neil
> >
> Depending on where you are, I'd like to take advantage of your offer.
> I have a BX-100 that I's like to bring back to life. Where are you
> located?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- Ron
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 01:23:22 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
In-Reply-To: <20040704055130.WJYY12076.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20040704232322.18832.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>

Use any head cleaning fluid, MEK or alcohol.  If you use alcohol,
make sure it is > 98% pure.  Anything less contains water.  The
alcohol will evaporate very quickly and leave the water to rust the
heads.  :-(

Way back when Nakamichi was located in Torrance I used to pick up my
parts at the service counter and they used to sell Intraclean P/N
S-711.  They said that Nakamichi doesn't officially endorse the
stuff, but, the guy did say that they it in the service department.

I think it's now called S-721 and its made by American Recorder.
http://americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=12&products_id=108&osCsid=04748c0242312e65a9ae1de2b2a383f1
$10 for a 2 ounce bottle that will last a lifetime.

I have never heard of anyone recommending a lubricant after cleaning
the heads.  Although if you are going to put a deck into storage for
a while and it might be humid I would recommend a little bit of a
light oil to keep them from rusting, but, clean it off completely
before use.  Or throw a dissicant in the cassette area before packing
it up.

Scott J.

--- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:
> I've only had my CR-7A for three months or so and I've yet to clean
> or demagnetize the heads.  It probably has less than 15 hours since
> I've own it.
> 
> In my younger days of audio (late 70's), I seem to recall cleaning
> the heads with a simple Q-tip but I recall a lubricant to polish
> the heads after cleaning.
> 
> Is this still an accepted practice of cleaning and lubricating the
> heads?
> 
> Roland
> 
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From manning_mark at msn.com  Sun Jul  4 22:34:58 2004
From: manning_mark at msn.com (M Manning)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:34:58 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] DR2 instruction manual
Message-ID: <BAY4-F129DBqqtJ1BEz0003063b@hotmail.com>

Hello Everyone

This is my first post as I have just acquired a DR2.  Does anyone have a pdf 
instruction manual they could share with me?

Many thanks

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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Mon Jul  5 01:57:05 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 19:57:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
Message-ID: <20040704235705.DLHP3786.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Thanks Scott!!


> 
> From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/07/04 Sun PM 07:23:22 EDT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
> 
> Use any head cleaning fluid, MEK or alcohol.  If you use alcohol,
> make sure it is > 98% pure.  Anything less contains water.  The
> alcohol will evaporate very quickly and leave the water to rust the
> heads.  :-(
> 
> Way back when Nakamichi was located in Torrance I used to pick up my
> parts at the service counter and they used to sell Intraclean P/N
> S-711.  They said that Nakamichi doesn't officially endorse the
> stuff, but, the guy did say that they it in the service department.
> 
> I think it's now called S-721 and its made by American Recorder.
> http://americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=12&products_id=108&osCsid=04748c0242312e65a9ae1de2b2a383f1
> $10 for a 2 ounce bottle that will last a lifetime.
> 
> I have never heard of anyone recommending a lubricant after cleaning
> the heads.  Although if you are going to put a deck into storage for
> a while and it might be humid I would recommend a little bit of a
> light oil to keep them from rusting, but, clean it off completely
> before use.  Or throw a dissicant in the cassette area before packing
> it up.
> 
> Scott J.
> 
> --- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:
> > I've only had my CR-7A for three months or so and I've yet to clean
> > or demagnetize the heads.  It probably has less than 15 hours since
> > I've own it.
> > 
> > In my younger days of audio (late 70's), I seem to recall cleaning
> > the heads with a simple Q-tip but I recall a lubricant to polish
> > the heads after cleaning.
> > 
> > Is this still an accepted practice of cleaning and lubricating the
> > heads?
> > 
> > Roland
> > 
> >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  5 04:22:16 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 22:22:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
Message-ID: <BAY2-F42eozsL0yBhUp0006a6ff@hotmail.com>

Head lube is available from the Last Factory in Livermore California..this 
stuff is excellent..but extremely expensive..but hey if it works the money 
is secondary!

Neil

PS Gunshots going off here in NYC..this is not exactly how I wanted to bring 
in the 4th!


>From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
>Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Use any head cleaning fluid, MEK or alcohol.  If you use alcohol,
>make sure it is > 98% pure.  Anything less contains water.  The
>alcohol will evaporate very quickly and leave the water to rust the
>heads.  :-(
>
>Way back when Nakamichi was located in Torrance I used to pick up my
>parts at the service counter and they used to sell Intraclean P/N
>S-711.  They said that Nakamichi doesn't officially endorse the
>stuff, but, the guy did say that they it in the service department.
>
>I think it's now called S-721 and its made by American Recorder.
>http://americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=12&products_id=108&osCsid=04748c0242312e65a9ae1de2b2a383f1
>$10 for a 2 ounce bottle that will last a lifetime.
>
>I have never heard of anyone recommending a lubricant after cleaning
>the heads.  Although if you are going to put a deck into storage for
>a while and it might be humid I would recommend a little bit of a
>light oil to keep them from rusting, but, clean it off completely
>before use.  Or throw a dissicant in the cassette area before packing
>it up.
>
>Scott J.
>
>--- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:
> > I've only had my CR-7A for three months or so and I've yet to clean
> > or demagnetize the heads.  It probably has less than 15 hours since
> > I've own it.
> >
> > In my younger days of audio (late 70's), I seem to recall cleaning
> > the heads with a simple Q-tip but I recall a lubricant to polish
> > the heads after cleaning.
> >
> > Is this still an accepted practice of cleaning and lubricating the
> > heads?
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
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From swsomers at triframe.net  Mon Jul  5 17:31:19 2004
From: swsomers at triframe.net (Steve W. Somers)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:31:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
Message-ID: <40E97447.AA6FD2F@triframe.net>

To all Who may be Interested!

I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A
NAK unused and untouched. It came from a
estate liquidation since he passed away a short
time ago. It has the product manual & discrip-
tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, &
Manual, and Remote for unit.

It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot
available upon request. Asking price is 2,500.
If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on
EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any
of you want it, now is a good time to get it at
a locked in price before its off to Ebay.

Best Regards,

Steve W. Somers
(800) 341-0376
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From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  6 10:27:38 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:27:38 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
References: <40E97447.AA6FD2F@triframe.net>
Message-ID: <003201c46333$19f84740$ef597ad5@oemcomputer>

I do like some one with a sense of humour , don't you !

Terry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve W. Somers 
  To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 4:31 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


  To all Who may be Interested! 
  I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
  NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
  estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
  time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
  tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
  Manual, and Remote for unit. 

  It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
  available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
  If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
  EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
  of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
  a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 

  Best Regards, 

  Steve W. Somers 
  (800) 341-0376 



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From jdieguez at gts.tsc.uvigo.es  Tue Jul  6 11:51:49 2004
From: jdieguez at gts.tsc.uvigo.es (Javi Dieguez)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:51:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
Message-ID: <004701c4633e$db9713d0$333113ac@gts.tsc.uvigo.es>

hi !

excuse me to post this here, but i could not get to the nakmart list anymore
(is it still active?)

i have a pretty nice dragon for auction (upgraded by stephen sank last year)
here is the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3825479204

the starting price is about half of what i paid for it.

thanks for the space.

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From ti at amb.org  Tue Jul  6 13:10:01 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:10:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
In-Reply-To: <004701c4633e$db9713d0$333113ac@gts.tsc.uvigo.es> from "Javi
	Dieguez" at Jul 06, 2004 11:51:49 AM
Message-ID: <200407061110.LAA15179@amb.org>

Javi Dieguez writes:
> excuse me to post this here, but i could not get to the nakmart list =
> anymore
> (is it still active?)

The nakmart list does not exist any more.

-Ti
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Tue Jul  6 14:57:11 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:57:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay for a
	new NAK(?)
In-Reply-To: <40E97447.AA6FD2F@triframe.net>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEGECDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Something I started wondering about ... Say Nakamichi was to reissue a
limited edition of one of their decks ... How much would you most pay for a
brand new copy of each of the below?

CR7 - ?
ZX-9 - ?
680ZX - ?
Dragon - ?

And how would your answer differ today, than let's say 4 years ago? I.e.,
would you have paid more then?



  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Steve W. Somers
  Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:31 AM
  To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
  Importance: High


  To all Who may be Interested!
  I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A
  NAK unused and untouched. It came from a
  estate liquidation since he passed away a short
  time ago. It has the product manual & discrip-
  tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, &
  Manual, and Remote for unit.

  It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot
  available upon request. Asking price is 2,500.
  If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on
  EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any
  of you want it, now is a good time to get it at
  a locked in price before its off to Ebay.

  Best Regards,

  Steve W. Somers
  (800) 341-0376
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul  6 19:24:47 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:24:47 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay for
	anew NAK(?)
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEGECDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c4637e$235db770$46773242@CopyTech>

I wouldn't  pay more than $500.00 today. In the heyday era of the cassette, I would have pay up to $1,500 for it !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stan Targowski 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:57 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay for anew NAK(?)


  Something I started wondering about ... Say Nakamichi was to reissue a limited edition of one of their decks ... How much would you most pay for a brand new copy of each of the below? 

  CR7 - ?
  ZX-9 - ?
  680ZX - ?
  Dragon - ?

  And how would your answer differ today, than let's say 4 years ago? I.e., would you have paid more then?



    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Steve W. Somers
    Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:31 AM
    To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
    Importance: High


    To all Who may be Interested! 
    I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
    NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
    estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
    time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
    tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
    Manual, and Remote for unit. 

    It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
    available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
    If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
    EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
    of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
    a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 

    Best Regards, 

    Steve W. Somers 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul  6 19:28:54 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:28:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
References: <40E97447.AA6FD2F@triframe.net>
Message-ID: <005f01c4637e$b75a6400$46773242@CopyTech>

Good luck, my dear Steve, but in order to avoid you a des-ilussion, don't expect a single bid at that starting amount. No matter how good the condition is, these decks high prices era and crazy bids are long gone my friend.

Just wait and see ...

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve W. Somers 
  To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:31 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


  To all Who may be Interested! 
  I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
  NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
  estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
  time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
  tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
  Manual, and Remote for unit. 

  It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
  available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
  If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
  EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
  of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
  a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 

  Best Regards, 

  Steve W. Somers 
  (800) 341-0376 



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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul  6 19:29:27 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:29:27 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
References: <40E97447.AA6FD2F@triframe.net>
	<003201c46333$19f84740$ef597ad5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <007901c4637e$ca425370$46773242@CopyTech>

Yep ! I really enjoy it !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Terence Finn 
  To: swsomers at triframe.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


  I do like some one with a sense of humour , don't you !

  Terry
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Steve W. Somers 
    To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 4:31 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


    To all Who may be Interested! 
    I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
    NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
    estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
    time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
    tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
    Manual, and Remote for unit. 

    It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
    available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
    If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
    EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
    of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
    a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 

    Best Regards, 

    Steve W. Somers 
    (800) 341-0376 



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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul  6 19:35:11 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:35:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
References: <004701c4633e$db9713d0$333113ac@gts.tsc.uvigo.es>
Message-ID: <00a201c4637f$975fa240$46773242@CopyTech>

I really love these guys: never contribute, never share anything, but use our venue for selling their stuff.

I don't care and it is good to receive Nak offers but it would be better if at least they share something with us and stay for a while opening a new subject or something. As Bleus said once: "It's not fair".

Anyway, good luck selling your Dragon Pal ! 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Javi Dieguez 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:51 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon


  hi !

  excuse me to post this here, but i could not get to the nakmart list anymore
  (is it still active?)

  i have a pretty nice dragon for auction (upgraded by stephen sank last year)
  here is the link
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3825479204

  the starting price is about half of what i paid for it.

  thanks for the space.




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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Tue Jul  6 16:35:17 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:35:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay for a
	new NAK(?)
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEGECDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <40E97447.AA6FD2F@triframe.net>
	<BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEGECDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040706101725.02166338@pop.iquebec.com>

Why satisfy yourself with just a reissue? Build the perfect deck! Something 
with a bunch of (defeatable) features like...

-a 1000ZXL for its auto-calibration and auto record azimuth...
-a CR-7 for its manual playback azimuth, its real-time counter, its 
subsonic filter, its auto tape selector...
-a Dragon for its auto playback azimuth, its manual calibration, its 
auto-reverse ability...
-a 682ZX for half-speed compatibilty...
-with gear drive, Dolby B, C, S and dbx II...
-the look of a 700ZXL but with blue LEDs, to be trendy...
-and dual well, of course! ;-)

For the price, Dragon came after the 1000ZXL and was about half of its 
price... CR-7 came after Dragon and was about 20% percent less. Do I see a 
trend there or what?

Cheers!

-Marc


At 08:57 2004/07/06, you wrote:
>Something I started wondering about ... Say Nakamichi was to reissue a 
>limited edition of one of their decks ... How much would you most pay for 
>a brand new copy of each of the below?
>
>CR7 - ?
>ZX-9 - ?
>680ZX - ?
>Dragon - ?
>
>And how would your answer differ today, than let's say 4 years ago? I.e., 
>would you have paid more then?
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf 
>Of Steve W. Somers
>Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:31 AM
>To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
>Importance: High
>
>To all Who may be Interested!
>
>I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A
>NAK unused and untouched. It came from a
>estate liquidation since he passed away a short
>time ago. It has the product manual & discrip-
>tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, &
>Manual, and Remote for unit.
>
>It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot
>available upon request. Asking price is 2,500.
>If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on
>EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any
>of you want it, now is a good time to get it at
>a locked in price before its off to Ebay.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Steve W. Somers
>(800) 341-0376
>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Tue Jul  6 16:42:10 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:42:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
In-Reply-To: <00a201c4637f$975fa240$46773242@CopyTech>
References: <004701c4633e$db9713d0$333113ac@gts.tsc.uvigo.es>
	<00a201c4637f$975fa240$46773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <40EABA42.8080504@rcn.com>


He did say, 'Thanks for the space'....


El Magnifico wrote:

> I really love these guys: never contribute, never share anything, but 
> use our venue for selling their stuff.
>  
> I don't care and it is good to receive Nak offers but it would be 
> better if at least they share something with us and stay for a while 
> opening a new subject or something. As Bleus said once: "It's not fair".
>  
> Anyway, good luck selling your Dragon Pal !
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Javi Dieguez <mailto:jdieguez at gts.tsc.uvigo.es>
>     To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
>     Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:51 AM
>     Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
>
>     hi !
>      
>     excuse me to post this here, but i could not get to the nakmart
>     list anymore
>     (is it still active?)
>      
>     i have a pretty nice dragon for auction (upgraded by stephen sank
>     last year)
>     here is the link
>     http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3825479204
>     <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3825479204>
>      
>     the starting price is about half of what i paid for it.
>      
>     thanks for the space.
>      
>




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 18:40:38 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:40:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
References: <40E97447.AA6FD2F@triframe.net>
	<005f01c4637e$b75a6400$46773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV15zPZrIkyP0003f42d@hotmail.com>

I really agree with Carlos!

I received a better one a "Dragon"...as a gift...FREE!!!!!

That's is much better!!!!?

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: swsomers at triframe.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


  Good luck, my dear Steve, but in order to avoid you a des-ilussion, don't expect a single bid at that starting amount. No matter how good the condition is, these decks high prices era and crazy bids are long gone my friend.

  Just wait and see ...

  Carlos
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Steve W. Somers 
    To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:31 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


    To all Who may be Interested! 
    I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
    NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
    estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
    time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
    tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
    Manual, and Remote for unit. 

    It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
    available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
    If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
    EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
    of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
    a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 

    Best Regards, 

    Steve W. Somers 
    (800) 341-0376 



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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Jul  6 16:38:14 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:38:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
In-Reply-To: <00a201c4637f$975fa240$46773242@CopyTech>
References: <004701c4633e$db9713d0$333113ac@gts.tsc.uvigo.es>
	<00a201c4637f$975fa240$46773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20040706143814.GB29027@peromarta.org>

Dear all,

Well, only this time I have to say, I was happy to find a nice dragon
nearby. I made a deal with him, and got me the dragon I was looking
for.

Will let you know if it's as good as advertised. Best rgds, LP.



El 06/07/04 a las 10:35, copytec at coqui.net dijo : 

> I really love these guys: never contribute, never share anything, but use our venue for selling their stuff.
> 
> I don't care and it is good to receive Nak offers but it would be better if at least they share something with us and stay for a while opening a new subject or something. As Bleus said once: "It's not fair".
> 
> Anyway, good luck selling your Dragon Pal ! 

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From calijente at gmx.net  Tue Jul  6 17:58:14 2004
From: calijente at gmx.net (calijente at gmx.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:58:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] marathon 2 
In-Reply-To: <002b01c46028$f19022d0$08773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001901c46372$0cb88f60$837cce80@Tweezzy>

Carlos,

I would like a copy of Marathon Set Mk. II, if it is not too late. I will
send my chek right away, if this is OK with you.

Thank you,

Gabe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 5:37 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] marathon 2 
> 
> 
> Tom: Your funds arrived today. Thanks.
> 
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Jul  6 18:07:30 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:07:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay for
	a
Message-ID: <20040706160731.FCXE9233.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

There's a law in technology that says performance will increase 20% per year while price drops 30% per year.

I'd pay $450.
> 
> From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> Date: 2004/07/06 Tue AM 08:57:11 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay for a
> 	new NAK(?)
> 
> Something I started wondering about ... Say Nakamichi was to reissue a
> limited edition of one of their decks ... How much would you most pay for a
> brand new copy of each of the below?
> 
> CR7 - ?
> ZX-9 - ?
> 680ZX - ?
> Dragon - ?
> 
> And how would your answer differ today, than let's say 4 years ago? I.e.,
> would you have paid more then?
> 
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
> Of Steve W. Somers
>   Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:31 AM
>   To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com
>   Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
>   Importance: High
> 
> 
>   To all Who may be Interested!
>   I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A
>   NAK unused and untouched. It came from a
>   estate liquidation since he passed away a short
>   time ago. It has the product manual & discrip-
>   tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, &
>   Manual, and Remote for unit.
> 
>   It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot
>   available upon request. Asking price is 2,500.
>   If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on
>   EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any
>   of you want it, now is a good time to get it at
>   a locked in price before its off to Ebay.
> 
>   Best Regards,
> 
>   Steve W. Somers
>   (800) 341-0376
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Jul  6 18:13:27 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:13:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
Message-ID: <20040706161329.MEOP923.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

I'm Portuguese and French.  I understand the value of 'free'.


> 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> Date: 2004/07/06 Tue PM 12:40:38 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
> 
> I really agree with Carlos!
> 
> I received a better one a "Dragon"...as a gift...FREE!!!!!
> 
> That's is much better!!!!?
> 
> ALEX!
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: El Magnifico 
>   To: swsomers at triframe.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:28 PM
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
> 
> 
>   Good luck, my dear Steve, but in order to avoid you a des-ilussion, don't expect a single bid at that starting amount. No matter how good the condition is, these decks high prices era and crazy bids are long gone my friend.
> 
>   Just wait and see ...
> 
>   Carlos
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: Steve W. Somers 
>     To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
>     Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:31 AM
>     Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
> 
> 
>     To all Who may be Interested! 
>     I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
>     NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
>     estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
>     time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
>     tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
>     Manual, and Remote for unit. 
> 
>     It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
>     available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
>     If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
>     EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
>     of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
>     a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 
> 
>     Best Regards, 
> 
>     Steve W. Somers 
>     (800) 341-0376 
> 
> 
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From hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar  Tue Jul  6 17:30:43 2004
From: hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar (Horacio Groppa)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:30:43 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings
Message-ID: <01b801c46377$9afc4aa0$41582ac8@thyny>

Hola,

My CR-7 came with a booklet about these tapes.
It's just a catalog showing the sleeves and
contents of each cassette, but also has
some curious data like
"...Sheffield Lab performances are produced
from Sheffield's own live, un-edited 2-track
analog master tapes which were recorded
simultaneously with the original direct disc
performances..."

Can someone comment or tell us more about
these tapes?

BTW, If any of you want a scanned copy of the
booklet, just let me know.

Horacio
Buenos Aires




From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Jul  6 18:09:11 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:09:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
Message-ID: <20040706160913.YLDS5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Agreed, I don't think he'd get more than $1000, if that.  There are just too many pristine used decks with low hours.  It's not like the heads wear out in 100 hours, I bet you can get over 3,000 hours without replacing them.


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/07/06 Tue PM 01:28:54 EDT
> To: <swsomers at triframe.net>, 
>         "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
> 
> Good luck, my dear Steve, but in order to avoid you a des-ilussion, don't expect a single bid at that starting amount. No matter how good the condition is, these decks high prices era and crazy bids are long gone my friend.
> 
> Just wait and see ...
> 
> Carlos
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Steve W. Somers 
>   To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
>   Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:31 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
> 
> 
>   To all Who may be Interested! 
>   I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
>   NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
>   estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
>   time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
>   tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
>   Manual, and Remote for unit. 
> 
>   It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
>   available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
>   If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
>   EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
>   of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
>   a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 
> 
>   Best Regards, 
> 
>   Steve W. Somers 
>   (800) 341-0376 
> 
> 
> 
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 20:31:24 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:31:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
References: <20040706160913.YLDS5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV15oBDXmDQO0003fe77@hotmail.com>

I Think; that "Maybe"...!; if you Steve, will obtain $:500.00. for it..., will be fair enough!
Don't forget...that you sell it with NO warranty of any kind, and hard to obtain spare parts, if something happen...(And will happen!!!!). Take look at eBay...for the more expensive per example Dragon..., the start bid is around $:400.00.

However, my best wishes and good luck!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjlbjk at cox.net 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 6:09 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


  Agreed, I don't think he'd get more than $1000, if that.  There are just too many pristine used decks with low hours.  It's not like the heads wear out in 100 hours, I bet you can get over 3,000 hours without replacing them.


  > 
  > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
  > Date: 2004/07/06 Tue PM 01:28:54 EDT
  > To: <swsomers at triframe.net>, 
  >         "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
  > 
  > Good luck, my dear Steve, but in order to avoid you a des-ilussion, don't expect a single bid at that starting amount. No matter how good the condition is, these decks high prices era and crazy bids are long gone my friend.
  > 
  > Just wait and see ...
  > 
  > Carlos
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Steve W. Somers 
  >   To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
  >   Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:31 AM
  >   Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
  > 
  > 
  >   To all Who may be Interested! 
  >   I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
  >   NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
  >   estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
  >   time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
  >   tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
  >   Manual, and Remote for unit. 
  > 
  >   It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
  >   available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
  >   If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
  >   EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
  >   of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
  >   a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 
  > 
  >   Best Regards, 
  > 
  >   Steve W. Somers 
  >   (800) 341-0376 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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  Good luck, my dear Steve, but in order to avoid you a des-ilussion, don't expect a single bid at that starting amount. No matter how good the condition is, these decks high prices era and crazy bids are long gone my friend.

  Just wait and see ...

  Carlos
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Steve W. Somers 
    To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:31 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


    To all Who may be Interested! 
    I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
    NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
    estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
    time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
    tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
    Manual, and Remote for unit. 

    It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
    available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
    If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
    EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
    of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
    a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 

    Best Regards, 

    Steve W. Somers 
    (800) 341-0376 



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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 20:32:48 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:32:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay fora
References: <20040706160731.FCXE9233.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV14EsGmjm080004028d@hotmail.com>

OK...! also I agree!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjlbjk at cox.net 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 6:07 PM
  Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay fora


  There's a law in technology that says performance will increase 20% per year while price drops 30% per year.

  I'd pay $450.
  > 
  > From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
  > Date: 2004/07/06 Tue AM 08:57:11 EDT
  > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay for a
  > new NAK(?)
  > 
  > Something I started wondering about ... Say Nakamichi was to reissue a
  > limited edition of one of their decks ... How much would you most pay for a
  > brand new copy of each of the below?
  > 
  > CR7 - ?
  > ZX-9 - ?
  > 680ZX - ?
  > Dragon - ?
  > 
  > And how would your answer differ today, than let's say 4 years ago? I.e.,
  > would you have paid more then?
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
  > Of Steve W. Somers
  >   Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:31 AM
  >   To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com
  >   Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
  >   Importance: High
  > 
  > 
  >   To all Who may be Interested!
  >   I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A
  >   NAK unused and untouched. It came from a
  >   estate liquidation since he passed away a short
  >   time ago. It has the product manual & discrip-
  >   tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, &
  >   Manual, and Remote for unit.
  > 
  >   It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot
  >   available upon request. Asking price is 2,500.
  >   If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on
  >   EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any
  >   of you want it, now is a good time to get it at
  >   a locked in price before its off to Ebay.
  > 
  >   Best Regards,
  > 
  >   Steve W. Somers
  >   (800) 341-0376
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  Something I started wondering about ... Say Nakamichi was to reissue a limited edition of one of their decks ... How much would you most pay for a brand new copy of each of the below? 

  CR7 - ?
  ZX-9 - ?
  680ZX - ?
  Dragon - ?

  And how would your answer differ today, than let's say 4 years ago? I.e., would you have paid more then?



    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Steve W. Somers
    Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:31 AM
    To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
    Importance: High


    To all Who may be Interested! 
    I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
    NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
    estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
    time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
    tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
    Manual, and Remote for unit. 

    It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
    available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
    If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
    EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
    of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
    a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 

    Best Regards, 

    Steve W. Somers 
    (800) 341-0376 



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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Jul  6 19:49:14 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
Message-ID: <12720-40EAE61A-261@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck left idle
for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase. Assuming it was
stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and humidity  ,it
would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile before any
assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.

thank you very much,
gerald



From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Jul  6 20:15:24 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:15:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
Message-ID: <13191a9131a565.131a56513191a9@vsnl.net>

Carlos
I am happy that some members use it for whatever purpose - better than doing nothing!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2004 7:42 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon

> 
> He did say, 'Thanks for the space'....
> 
> 
> El Magnifico wrote:
> 
> > I really love these guys: never contribute, never share 
> anything, but 
> > use our venue for selling their stuff.
> >  
> > I don't care and it is good to receive Nak offers but it would 
> be 
> > better if at least they share something with us and stay for a 
> while 
> > opening a new subject or something. As Bleus said once: "It's 
> not fair".
> >  
> > Anyway, good luck selling your Dragon Pal !
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Javi Dieguez <')" >jdieguez at gts.tsc.uvigo.es>
> >     To: naktalk at naks.com <')" >naktalk at naks.com>
> >     Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:51 AM
> >     Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
> >
> >     hi !
> >      
> >     excuse me to post this here, but i could not get to the nakmart
> >     list anymore
> >     (is it still active?)
> >      
> >     i have a pretty nice dragon for auction (upgraded by stephen 
> sank>     last year)
> >     here is the link
> >     
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3825479204>     <" target="l">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3825479204>
> >      
> >     the starting price is about half of what i paid for it.
> >      
> >     thanks for the space.
> >      
> >
> 
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Jul  6 21:01:50 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:01:50 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] DR2 instruction manual
References: <BAY4-F129DBqqtJ1BEz0003063b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401c4638b$b2a9e860$23299bca@aisha>


Hi Mark,  sorry I don't have the manual - but you can contact Wouter / list
owner directly to download 'almost similar' model's manual such as CR or BX.
There's not much info on the user manual, in any case I'm sure nakfellas
here will help you with questions on the deck.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: M Manning
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 3:34 AM
Subject: [naktalk] DR2 instruction manual


Hello Everyone

This is my first post as I have just acquired a DR2.  Does anyone have a pdf
instruction manual they could share with me?

Many thanks

Mark





From hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar  Tue Jul  6 19:14:46 2004
From: hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar (Horacio Groppa)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:14:46 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] RE: New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay
Message-ID: <020101c4637c$f89c3da0$41582ac8@thyny>

Stan,

Four years ago I would have gladly paid $1700 for such a unit. Today is hard to say, probably no more than $300.

Rgds
Horacio
-----Mensaje original-----
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:57:11 -0500
From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!! - What would you pay
for a new NAK(?)
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFAEGECDAA.stan.targowski at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Something I started wondering about ... Say Nakamichi was to reissue a
limited edition of one of their decks ... How much would you most pay for a
brand new copy of each of the below?

CR7 - ?
ZX-9 - ?
680ZX - ?
Dragon - ?

And how would your answer differ today, than let's say 4 years ago? I.e.,
would you have paid more then?



From jberger at well.com  Tue Jul  6 21:00:59 2004
From: jberger at well.com (John Berger)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:00:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings
In-Reply-To: <200407061733.i66HXYUq021274@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200407061733.i66HXYUq021274@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0407061151150.12918@well.com>

In the '70's and '80's, Sheffield Labs mad a series of well-regarded
direct-to-disc recordings (probably the most famous were "I've Got The
Music In Me", with Thelma Houston [I believe she's Whitney Houston's
aunt]) and "Discovered Again" with Dave Grusin; these were often used as
demo recordings at higher-end audio shops, as they had great dynamics and
sound quality.

As they were recording the sessions directly to the master disc, they also
ran tape to record it.  Nakamichi made arrangements with them to run
real-time copies from the master tapes to Nakamichi ZX metal tapes (I
don't recall if they were Dolby B or C; I think that they were using C by
this time).

Although the cassettes were available, they did not sell very well, as
people had a preconceived notion of what pre-recorded cassette sound
quality was.

These analog master tapes were also used when Sheffield re-released the
albums to CD several years after that.

John

Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:30:43 -0300
From: Horacio Groppa <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings

Hola,

My CR-7 came with a booklet about these tapes.
It's just a catalog showing the sleeves and
contents of each cassette, but also has
some curious data like
"...Sheffield Lab performances are produced
from Sheffield's own live, un-edited 2-track
analog master tapes which were recorded
simultaneously with the original direct disc
performances..."

Can someone comment or tell us more about
these tapes?

BTW, If any of you want a scanned copy of the
booklet, just let me know.

Horacio
Buenos Aires



From swsomers at triframe.net  Tue Jul  6 19:55:30 2004
From: swsomers at triframe.net (Steve W. Somers)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:55:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR-7A Available & Posted on Ebay
Message-ID: <40EAE792.1524993A@triframe.net>

Hi All,

Terry from the nakatalk user group allowed us to post
this listing about the new NAK CR-7A  we are selling
on Ebay. The URL is provided below, and  thank you
Terry for allowing us this courtesy. (Steve W. Somers)

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708241703&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW



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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Wed Jul  7 00:16:31 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:16:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0407061151150.12918@well.com>
References: <200407061733.i66HXYUq021274@zebra.naks.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0407061151150.12918@well.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040706181311.0245fae0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 15:00 2004/07/06, you wrote:
>In the '70's and '80's, Sheffield Labs mad a series of well-regarded
>direct-to-disc recordings (probably the most famous were "I've Got The
>Music In Me", with Thelma Houston [I believe she's Whitney Houston's
>aunt]) and "Discovered Again" with Dave Grusin; these were often used as
>demo recordings at higher-end audio shops, as they had great dynamics and
>sound quality.
>
>As they were recording the sessions directly to the master disc, they also
>ran tape to record it.  Nakamichi made arrangements with them to run
>real-time copies from the master tapes to Nakamichi ZX metal tapes (I
>don't recall if they were Dolby B or C; I think that they were using C by
>this time).

I own two titles: "Crème de la Crème" and "The Sound of Nakamichi". Both 
are Dolby C. Tape is TDK MA which is the same as Nakamichi ZX.


>Although the cassettes were available, they did not sell very well, as
>people had a preconceived notion of what pre-recorded cassette sound
>quality was.
>
>These analog master tapes were also used when Sheffield re-released the
>albums to CD several years after that.
>
>John
>
>Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:30:43 -0300
>From: Horacio Groppa <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings
>
>Hola,
>
>My CR-7 came with a booklet about these tapes.
>It's just a catalog showing the sleeves and
>contents of each cassette, but also has
>some curious data like
>"...Sheffield Lab performances are produced
>from Sheffield's own live, un-edited 2-track
>analog master tapes which were recorded
>simultaneously with the original direct disc
>performances..."
>
>Can someone comment or tell us more about
>these tapes?
>
>BTW, If any of you want a scanned copy of the
>booklet, just let me know.
>
>Horacio
>Buenos Aires
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From manning_mark at msn.com  Tue Jul  6 22:26:07 2004
From: manning_mark at msn.com (M Manning)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:26:07 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] DR2 instruction manual
Message-ID: <BAY4-F17ZSPGNkY5Tet000452ed@hotmail.com>

Thanks Salim

Wouter has already provided the manual.

Regards

Mark


>From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR2 instruction manual
>Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:01:50 +0700
>
>
>Hi Mark,  sorry I don't have the manual - but you can contact Wouter / list
>owner directly to download 'almost similar' model's manual such as CR or 
>BX.
>There's not much info on the user manual, in any case I'm sure nakfellas
>here will help you with questions on the deck.
>
>Best regards,
>Salim SM
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: M Manning
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 3:34 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] DR2 instruction manual
>
>
>Hello Everyone
>
>This is my first post as I have just acquired a DR2.  Does anyone have a 
>pdf
>instruction manual they could share with me?
>
>Many thanks
>
>Mark
>
>
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Jul  6 22:45:43 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:45:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR-7A Available & Posted on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <40EAE792.1524993A@triframe.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040706164249.03c814d0@psulias.psu.edu>

I would be shocked to see that thing go.  If he started the bids out around 
$400, he might have doubled his money to $800.  Maybe.

At 12:55 PM 7/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Terry from the nakatalk user group allowed us to post
>this listing about the new NAK CR-7A  we are selling
>on Ebay. The URL is provided below, and  thank you
>Terry for allowing us this courtesy. (Steve W. Somers)
>
> 
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708241703&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708241703&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 
>
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 22:59:22 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:59:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
Message-ID: <BAY2-F9jLFqElMVwfTM0004583c@hotmail.com>

Gerry:

I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is in possession 
of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4 hundred is 
crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used for years is 
the death knell for these things.

A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my wife....I put it 
away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory box.
I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to give myself an 
early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up to original 
spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were n/g, four heads 
were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop was the Teac 
service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my work on my 
Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and $$$$$ to 
bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic component of this 
age and dollar amount.

I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.

Neil


>From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
>Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
>
>Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck left idle
>for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase. Assuming it was
>stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and humidity  ,it
>would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile before any
>assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Jul  6 23:46:18 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:46:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Metal master tapes
Message-ID: <20040706214620.DOBR5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Gents, a few weeks ago, I bought some Sony SR100 metal tapes and I was impressed, very impressed on how much better they sounded over my TDK SA-C90 tapes.  But, I learned that the 'SR' was not the real good stuff from Sony so I sold them.

There is a metal master tape on eBay right now and I'm wondering, what is a decent price to pay for a tape of that quality?

Also, where do you gents buy your metal tapes?  I'm having a hard time finding any online site that even carries metal tapes.

Roland



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jul  7 01:17:05 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:17:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] I blush in the company of geniuses
Message-ID: <20040706231705.HRZJ25349.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

The only reason I bought a Nakamichi CR-7A was because I owned a BX-300 some 15 years ago.  I broke it one day when I tried to 'fix' it.

I am so impressed with the breadth and depth of knowledge by the members of this group.  I feel I have little to offer in the way of useful information but I want to chime in even if it's just relaying information to be useful to the group.

My sincere thanks for this group and the members who so readily offer advice and respectful opinions.

Carry on!

Roland



From HerbChong at compuserve.com  Wed Jul  7 01:32:24 2004
From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:32:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings
Message-ID: <200407061932_MC3-1-8606-62AC@compuserve.com>

Message text written by Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>These analog master tapes were also used when Sheffield re-released the
albums to CD several years after that.<

they also released LPs made from the tapes too.

Herb...



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul  7 09:52:59 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:52:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] I blush in the company of geniuses
In-Reply-To: <20040706231705.HRZJ25349.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <001301c463f7$6c28c660$e2c34c51@oemcomputer>

Hey Roland - having nothing useful to offer has never stopped me!!!  :o[)

Grinham

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: 07 July 2004 00:17
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] I blush in the company of geniuses
> 
> 
> The only reason I bought a Nakamichi CR-7A was because I owned a 
> BX-300 some 15 years ago.  I broke it one day when I tried to 'fix' it.
> 
> I am so impressed with the breadth and depth of knowledge by the 
> members of this group.  I feel I have little to offer in the way 
> of useful information but I want to chime in even if it's just 
> relaying information to be useful to the group.
> 
> My sincere thanks for this group and the members who so readily 
> offer advice and respectful opinions.
> 
> Carry on!
> 
> Roland
> 
> 
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From marilorn at abeam.ocn.ne.jp  Wed Jul  7 23:31:43 2004
From: marilorn at abeam.ocn.ne.jp (Lorne Spry)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:31:43 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Metal master tapes
In-Reply-To: <200407071001.i67A0mUs023978@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200407071001.i67A0mUs023978@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <p0611040dbd1215b8fcfb@[219.51.72.43]>

Roland wrote:

>Also, where do you gents buy your metal tapes?  I'm having a hard 
>time finding any online site that even carries metal tapes.

The simple answer is that I DON'T buy them. In Japan they have 
vanished - as have all the quality Type II high bias tapes. Two years 
ago I warned an old friend and fellow Nak owner in Canada about what 
was happening here. I suggested that it was also going to happen in 
the world market, but he was unimpressed. 'Lots around here' he said.

My advise hang onto ANY quality tape you have!!!

Metal Master was so expensive in Japan that I never considered it. 
About - I can't remember - $20 a pop.

Some of the last metal I saw was TDK MA EX. I bought a box of it. It 
vanished soon after. Then I found some  Sony ES metal that was being 
flogged out to to make room for the crud they sell to the junior 
highschool girls in the city who still use big sisters' cassette 
Walkmans.  I liked it, so I drove over to the Sony office and asked 
about how to get more of it. CAN'T. No production. Stopped. Over.

So these days I'll take any good Type II I can get. And after TDK AD 
II disappeared off the shelves, that leaves only a rather mid-grade 
Sony - CDing IX. At least it is quiet and I don't use Dolby with it.

>Gents, a few weeks ago, I bought some Sony SR100 metal tapes and I 
>was impressed, very impressed on how much better they sounded over 
>my TDK SA-C90 tapes.  But, I learned that the 'SR' was not the real 
>good stuff from Sony so I sold them.

I think that you blew it, mate.

>There is a metal master tape on eBay right now and I'm wondering, 
>what is a decent price to pay for a tape of that quality?

Well, it was at least 2000 yen for a 90 min. blank here. It was not 
sold in volume. It may have been cheaper in Akihabara. It was so 
expensive that it was NOT on the shelves but rather in the counter 
cabinet along with expensive hardware. I have never auditioned it. A 
clerk who was himself a tape fan said it was great.


Lorne in Sendai Japan


From greynolds at newsguy.com  Wed Jul  7 14:39:29 2004
From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:39:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 16
References: <200407071001.i67A0mUr023978@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <002101c4641f$75f104f0$15eeb3a4@tfcorp.tfn.com>

>Hi All,
>
>Terry from the nakatalk user group allowed us to post
>this listing about the new NAK CR-7A  we are selling
>on Ebay. The URL is provided below, and  thank you
>Terry for allowing us this courtesy. (Steve W. Somers)
>
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=57082417
03&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&catego
ry=64598&item=5708241703&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>

Reading this listing is good for a good laugh:

"Please Note; with the amount of watchers climbing fast who are reviewed in
our "My Ebay", we expect a active bidding process at the end of this offer
if the "Buy it Now" option is not utilized."

Where's the box?  A "brand new" must have the box...

Assuming it's brand new, I'm not sure that taking it out of the box and
packing is exactly the brightest idea (other than the suggestion from
another poster that it ought to be confirmed whether it works.

I think most people are watching it (myself included) to see if anyone
actually bids on the thing.

The guys feedback doesn't exactly inspire confidence either.

Good luck, but I'd be shocked if you get a buyer.
--
Geoffrey Reynolds



From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Jul  7 16:27:33 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:27:33 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] I blush in the company of geniuses
References: <001301c463f7$6c28c660$e2c34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00b501c4642e$cf481f20$c7299bca@aisha>


Not really Gra'... you  did wake Ron up from time to time with tweak topics
=)

SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Nelson
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] I blush in the company of geniuses


Hey Roland - having nothing useful to offer has never stopped me!!!  :o[)

Grinham

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> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  8 01:26:24 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:26:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
References: <004701c4633e$db9713d0$333113ac@gts.tsc.uvigo.es><00a201c4637f$975fa240$46773242@CopyTech>
	<40EABA42.8080504@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <001801c46479$d2cdf570$4f773242@CopyTech>

You know what I meant, Ron ...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon


>
> He did say, 'Thanks for the space'....
>
>
> El Magnifico wrote:
>
> > I really love these guys: never contribute, never share anything, but
> > use our venue for selling their stuff.
> >
> > I don't care and it is good to receive Nak offers but it would be
> > better if at least they share something with us and stay for a while
> > opening a new subject or something. As Bleus said once: "It's not fair".
> >
> > Anyway, good luck selling your Dragon Pal !
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Javi Dieguez <mailto:jdieguez at gts.tsc.uvigo.es>
> >     To: naktalk at naks.com <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
> >     Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:51 AM
> >     Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
> >
> >     hi !
> >
> >     excuse me to post this here, but i could not get to the nakmart
> >     list anymore
> >     (is it still active?)
> >
> >     i have a pretty nice dragon for auction (upgraded by stephen sank
> >     last year)
> >     here is the link
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3825479204
> >
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=382547920
4>
> >
> >     the starting price is about half of what i paid for it.
> >
> >     thanks for the space.
> >
> >
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  8 01:30:40 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:30:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
References: <20040706160913.YLDS5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <006501c4647a$6b2d86f0$4f773242@CopyTech>

Ohh, you are still generous ... ! Ha !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjlbjk at cox.net 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:09 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


  Agreed, I don't think he'd get more than $1000, if that.  There are just too many pristine used decks with low hours.  It's not like the heads wear out in 100 hours, I bet you can get over 3,000 hours without replacing them.


  > 
  > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
  > Date: 2004/07/06 Tue PM 01:28:54 EDT
  > To: <swsomers at triframe.net>, 
  >         "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
  > 
  > Good luck, my dear Steve, but in order to avoid you a des-ilussion, don't expect a single bid at that starting amount. No matter how good the condition is, these decks high prices era and crazy bids are long gone my friend.
  > 
  > Just wait and see ...
  > 
  > Carlos
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Steve W. Somers 
  >   To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
  >   Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:31 AM
  >   Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!
  > 
  > 
  >   To all Who may be Interested! 
  >   I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
  >   NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
  >   estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
  >   time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
  >   tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
  >   Manual, and Remote for unit. 
  > 
  >   It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
  >   available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
  >   If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
  >   EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
  >   of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
  >   a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 
  > 
  >   Best Regards, 
  > 
  >   Steve W. Somers 
  >   (800) 341-0376 
  > 
  > 
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  Good luck, my dear Steve, but in order to avoid you a des-ilussion, don't expect a single bid at that starting amount. No matter how good the condition is, these decks high prices era and crazy bids are long gone my friend.

  Just wait and see ...

  Carlos
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Steve W. Somers 
    To: naktalk at naks.com ; naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:31 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR7-A Deck!!


    To all Who may be Interested! 
    I have a brand new, yes a brand new CR7-A 
    NAK unused and untouched. It came from a 
    estate liquidation since he passed away a short 
    time ago. It has the product manual & discrip- 
    tion of all the NAK's made, Warrant Card, & 
    Manual, and Remote for unit. 

    It is an incredible find & have digital snapshot 
    available upon request. Asking price is 2,500. 
    If no one snatches it here, it will be posted on 
    EBay for a starting bid of 2,500.00, So if any 
    of you want it, now is a good time to get it at 
    a locked in price before its off to Ebay. 

    Best Regards, 

    Steve W. Somers 
    (800) 341-0376 



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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  8 01:32:57 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:32:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
References: <13191a9131a565.131a56513191a9@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <007f01c4647a$bc746970$4f773242@CopyTech>

I guess you are right, but let's just define "Members" ... Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon


> Carlos
> I am happy that some members use it for whatever purpose - better than
doing nothing!
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2004 7:42 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
>
> >
> > He did say, 'Thanks for the space'....
> >
> >
> > El Magnifico wrote:
> >
> > > I really love these guys: never contribute, never share
> > anything, but
> > > use our venue for selling their stuff.
> > >
> > > I don't care and it is good to receive Nak offers but it would
> > be
> > > better if at least they share something with us and stay for a
> > while
> > > opening a new subject or something. As Bleus said once: "It's
> > not fair".
> > >
> > > Anyway, good luck selling your Dragon Pal !
> > >
> > >     ----- Original Message -----
> > >     From: Javi Dieguez <')" >jdieguez at gts.tsc.uvigo.es>
> > >     To: naktalk at naks.com <')" >naktalk at naks.com>
> > >     Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:51 AM
> > >     Subject: [naktalk] FA: better than new dragon
> > >
> > >     hi !
> > >
> > >     excuse me to post this here, but i could not get to the nakmart
> > >     list anymore
> > >     (is it still active?)
> > >
> > >     i have a pretty nice dragon for auction (upgraded by stephen
> > sank>     last year)
> > >     here is the link
> > >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=3825479204>
<"
target="l">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item
=3825479204>
> > >
> > >     the starting price is about half of what i paid for it.
> > >
> > >     thanks for the space.
> > >
> > >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  8 01:33:59 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:33:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings
References: <200407061733.i66HXYUq021274@zebra.naks.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0407061151150.12918@well.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c4647a$e18a2010$4f773242@CopyTech>

Dolby C, John.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Berger" <jberger at well.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:00 PM
Subject: re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings


> In the '70's and '80's, Sheffield Labs mad a series of well-regarded
> direct-to-disc recordings (probably the most famous were "I've Got The
> Music In Me", with Thelma Houston [I believe she's Whitney Houston's
> aunt]) and "Discovered Again" with Dave Grusin; these were often used as
> demo recordings at higher-end audio shops, as they had great dynamics and
> sound quality.
>
> As they were recording the sessions directly to the master disc, they also
> ran tape to record it.  Nakamichi made arrangements with them to run
> real-time copies from the master tapes to Nakamichi ZX metal tapes (I
> don't recall if they were Dolby B or C; I think that they were using C by
> this time).
>
> Although the cassettes were available, they did not sell very well, as
> people had a preconceived notion of what pre-recorded cassette sound
> quality was.
>
> These analog master tapes were also used when Sheffield re-released the
> albums to CD several years after that.
>
> John
>
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:30:43 -0300
> From: Horacio Groppa <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings
>
> Hola,
>
> My CR-7 came with a booklet about these tapes.
> It's just a catalog showing the sleeves and
> contents of each cassette, but also has
> some curious data like
> "...Sheffield Lab performances are produced
> from Sheffield's own live, un-edited 2-track
> analog master tapes which were recorded
> simultaneously with the original direct disc
> performances..."
>
> Can someone comment or tell us more about
> these tapes?
>
> BTW, If any of you want a scanned copy of the
> booklet, just let me know.
>
> Horacio
> Buenos Aires
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  8 01:38:41 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
References: <BAY2-F9jLFqElMVwfTM0004583c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a601c4647b$8991b840$4f773242@CopyTech>

You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2 years ago
for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed that the
deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the original carton
inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but, it required
more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix her completely.
The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her back to
specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go figures !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A


> Gerry:
>
> I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is in possession
> of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4 hundred is
> crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used for years is
> the death knell for these things.
>
> A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my wife....I put it
> away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory box.
> I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to give myself
an
> early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up to original
> spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were n/g, four heads
> were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop was the Teac
> service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my work on my
> Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and $$$$$ to
> bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic component of this
> age and dollar amount.
>
> I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> >
> >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck left idle
> >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase. Assuming it was
> >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and humidity  ,it
> >would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile before any
> >assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
> >
> >thank you very much,
> >gerald
> >
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jul  7 15:58:15 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 9:58:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR-7A Available & Posted on Ebay
Message-ID: <20040707135821.HOBO27959.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

I would have bid to $575 myself.  With the abundance of superb used decks, you can get one for $450-$500


> 
> From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> Date: 2004/07/06 Tue PM 04:45:43 EDT
> To: swsomers at triframe.net, 
>         Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Nakamichi CR-7A Available & Posted on Ebay
> 
> I would be shocked to see that thing go.  If he started the bids out around 
> $400, he might have doubled his money to $800.  Maybe.
> 
> At 12:55 PM 7/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >Terry from the nakatalk user group allowed us to post
> >this listing about the new NAK CR-7A  we are selling
> >on Ebay. The URL is provided below, and  thank you
> >Terry for allowing us this courtesy. (Steve W. Somers)
> >
> > 
> ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708241703&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708241703&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 
> >
> >
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> 
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From hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar  Wed Jul  7 17:33:39 2004
From: hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar (Horacio Groppa)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:33:39 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Reference Recordings
Message-ID: <018401c4643f$52684960$301b2ac8@thyny>

Kent,

Thank you for your juicy comments. I think your
original message did not reach the list, so I'm
forwarding it. Horacio

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Kent Merideth <khmerideth at anderson.edu>
Para: hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>
Fecha: martes 6 de julio de 2004 19:20
Asunto: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Reference Recordings


Hello Horacio and all naktalkers,

I've been out of circulation for a number of reasons, but am trying to
catch up with my huge backlog of about 1 month of messages.  

These Sheffield Lab recordings were made in the mid '70's through early
'80's.  The master recordings were made directly to a high quality
lacquer disc on specially upgraded cutting lathes.  These masters were
plated to make stampers for production.  Not sure how many stampers
could be made from each master, but each plating process would add a
little more pitting and/or burnishing (hiss or surface noise) to the
master stamper.  These made for some really incredible recordings in
sound quality.  "The Missing Linc", was the first recording I heard
which made the piano sound like it was really in my listening area; not
just some reasonable facsimile.  Sheffield made 2-track analog
"safety"(backup) master tapes of these performances.  Just a side note
on the "I've Got the Music In Me" album; they ran a few rehearsals to
get levels so the cutting engineer could get a feel for how much space
he needed to allow for proper groove separation.  When they did the
actual take, the group, "Thelma Houston and Pressure Cooker", really
"got down" and increased their energy output, which resulted in
cross-talk from adjacent grooves.  Still was/is a great representation
of the high technical quality of music that can be captured in the
analog format.  In a direct comparison to the production direct-to-disc
records, the tapes lost just a slight bit in the high frequencies, which
was really hard to differentiate, at times.  If I had to make a choice
between the tape and the CD, both made from the analog tapes, I'd opt
for the tape, just my preference.

I would like to get a scanned copy of the Reference Tape Catalog. 
Please send it to:  khmerideth at anderson.edu.  Thank you very much for
the offer of this copy.  Have a great week and Enjoy the Music!

Best regards,

Kent Merideth



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jul  7 18:54:27 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:54:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] I blush in the company of geniuses
Message-ID: <20040707165428.VANM29186.lakermmtao01.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

hahahahaha, thanks for the laugh!!


> 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2004/07/07 Wed AM 03:52:59 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] I blush in the company of geniuses
> 
> Hey Roland - having nothing useful to offer has never stopped me!!!  :o[)
> 
> Grinham
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > Sent: 07 July 2004 00:17
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] I blush in the company of geniuses
> > 
> > 
> > The only reason I bought a Nakamichi CR-7A was because I owned a 
> > BX-300 some 15 years ago.  I broke it one day when I tried to 'fix' it.
> > 
> > I am so impressed with the breadth and depth of knowledge by the 
> > members of this group.  I feel I have little to offer in the way 
> > of useful information but I want to chime in even if it's just 
> > relaying information to be useful to the group.
> > 
> > My sincere thanks for this group and the members who so readily 
> > offer advice and respectful opinions.
> > 
> > Carry on!
> > 
> > Roland
> > 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Jul  8 08:07:29 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:07:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Metal master tapes
Message-ID: <s0ed00d8.056@mroute.sunint.co.za>

HI Roland,

You might regret getting rid of those Sony Metal SR tapes.  They will
be hard to replace, and of course, it's no surprise that they
outperformed your SAs.  The same applies to Sony Metal XR.

Type IVs in general are very hard to find.  The Sony Metal Master and
Sony Super Metal Master will be next to impossible to find in any
numbers, other than the occasional "one".  In cases such as those,
prices will be very variable and usually pretty high.  The great
super-metals such as Maxell Metal Vertex, TDK MA-XG, That's Metal Suono
and Sony SMM cost US$10 US$16 when they were sold new.  Expect to pay
(for new examples) between that and double now.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> rjlbjk at cox.net 07/06/04 11:46PM >>>
Gents, a few weeks ago, I bought some Sony SR100 metal tapes and I was
impressed, very impressed on how much better they sounded over my TDK
SA-C90 tapes.  But, I learned that the 'SR' was not the real good stuff
from Sony so I sold them.

There is a metal master tape on eBay right now and I'm wondering, what
is a decent price to pay for a tape of that quality?

Also, where do you gents buy your metal tapes?  I'm having a hard time
finding any online site that even carries metal tapes.

Roland

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  8 09:48:08 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:48:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Metal master tapes
References: <s0ed00d8.056@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV17cW2zrmqR00003154@hotmail.com>

Shalom Folks!

Please...WHY...to "Look Forward"..for the "Impossible Task"????
Type 2 suffices me, and most of our Nak. fans!
Trying to find "Scarce" samples of metal type!!!!!
Please...stop...playing, and listen more music!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <rjlbjk at cox.net>; <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal master tapes


> HI Roland,
>
> You might regret getting rid of those Sony Metal SR tapes.  They will
> be hard to replace, and of course, it's no surprise that they
> outperformed your SAs.  The same applies to Sony Metal XR.
>
> Type IVs in general are very hard to find.  The Sony Metal Master and
> Sony Super Metal Master will be next to impossible to find in any
> numbers, other than the occasional "one".  In cases such as those,
> prices will be very variable and usually pretty high.  The great
> super-metals such as Maxell Metal Vertex, TDK MA-XG, That's Metal Suono
> and Sony SMM cost US$10 US$16 when they were sold new.  Expect to pay
> (for new examples) between that and double now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
> >>> rjlbjk at cox.net 07/06/04 11:46PM >>>
> Gents, a few weeks ago, I bought some Sony SR100 metal tapes and I was
> impressed, very impressed on how much better they sounded over my TDK
> SA-C90 tapes.  But, I learned that the 'SR' was not the real good stuff
> from Sony so I sold them.
>
> There is a metal master tape on eBay right now and I'm wondering, what
> is a decent price to pay for a tape of that quality?
>
> Also, where do you gents buy your metal tapes?  I'm having a hard time
> finding any online site that even carries metal tapes.
>
> Roland
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From jochi at qwest.net  Thu Jul  8 05:08:06 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:08:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
References: <BAY2-F42eozsL0yBhUp0006a6ff@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901c46498$ca846f60$0500000a@uswest.net>

Neil,

Thanks for sharing with us  your information about the Last Factory Tape
Head Treatment (THT).  I E-mailed the Last Factory with several questions.
I thought others might be interested in the informative response from Walter
Davies, Director of R & D.  I think I am going to take the plunge and try
the THT.

Following are my questions followed after by his answers:

Your website states "one treatment lasts the entire tape."  I presume you
are referring to reel tape.    I have questions about using the Tape Head
Treatment on cassette decks.

1.  Should the treatment be applied each time a cassette is played
regardless of whether it is a 60 minute tape or a 90 minute tape or a 110
minute tape?

2.  Does frequency of application depend upon the type of tape used?    In
other words should treatment be applied more often if a type IV metal tape
is used as opposed to a type II Chrome tape or a type I Ferric tape?

3.  How many treatments are there in one bottle?

4.  Does it matter what brand of deck?  I have both several Studer and
several Nakamichi decks.

5.  Does the use of the Head Treatment eliminate the need to use a tape head
cleaner?  If not, how frequently should the tape heads be cleaned?

6.  Does the regular use of the Head Treatment result in any residue
build-up of any kind over time?  If so, what type of solvent should be used
to clean off the residue--isopropyl alcohol?  MBK?

Thank you,
Jon Ochi

Hello Mr. Ochi,

Thank you ro your message and questions.  Yes, the THT was designed
originally for R-R decks, but it works beautifully in cassette decks
as well.
1.  Application?  The treatment is applied to heads and guides just
prior to playback, regardless of the length of tape.  The treatment is
consumed during the process of playing a tape.  However, the surfaces
of the heads and guides will not accept more than is sufficient for
playback (or record) purposes.

2.  We have never found application interval to be dependent upon the
type or composition of the oxide layer of the tape.  A single treat-
ment is sufficient for the passage in one direction of any type of tape.

4.  Number of treatments per bottle?  A single bottle usually lasts a
recordist two to three years - many hundreds of applications.

5.  Need for head cleaning?  The mere process of applying the treat-
ment romoves loose oxide and debris from the heads and guides.  In
practice, I clean the heads, guides, capstan(s), and idler(s) at the
end of a recording or listeneng session if there is any sign of debris
on the mechanism.  If everything appears (and performs) as clean, then
I shut down without the cleaning step.

6.  Build up?  I have been using the treatment on my own decks since
the mid 80's and have never had any buildup or residue.  Nor have there
been any reports from any of the hundreds of engineers or operators
that use it on a regular basis.

I hope that these responses are helpful and not too wordy.

With Best Regards,

Walter Davies
Dir. R & D
The LAST Factory


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication


> Head lube is available from the Last Factory in Livermore California..this
> stuff is excellent..but extremely expensive..but hey if it works the money
> is secondary!
>
> Neil
>
> PS Gunshots going off here in NYC..this is not exactly how I wanted to
bring
> in the 4th!
>
>
> >From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
> >Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Use any head cleaning fluid, MEK or alcohol.  If you use alcohol,
> >make sure it is > 98% pure.  Anything less contains water.  The
> >alcohol will evaporate very quickly and leave the water to rust the
> >heads.  :-(
> >
> >Way back when Nakamichi was located in Torrance I used to pick up my
> >parts at the service counter and they used to sell Intraclean P/N
> >S-711.  They said that Nakamichi doesn't officially endorse the
> >stuff, but, the guy did say that they it in the service department.
> >
> >I think it's now called S-721 and its made by American Recorder.
>
>http://americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=12&products_id=1
08&osCsid=04748c0242312e65a9ae1de2b2a383f1
> >$10 for a 2 ounce bottle that will last a lifetime.
> >
> >I have never heard of anyone recommending a lubricant after cleaning
> >the heads.  Although if you are going to put a deck into storage for
> >a while and it might be humid I would recommend a little bit of a
> >light oil to keep them from rusting, but, clean it off completely
> >before use.  Or throw a dissicant in the cassette area before packing
> >it up.
> >
> >Scott J.
> >
> >--- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:
> > > I've only had my CR-7A for three months or so and I've yet to clean
> > > or demagnetize the heads.  It probably has less than 15 hours since
> > > I've own it.
> > >
> > > In my younger days of audio (late 70's), I seem to recall cleaning
> > > the heads with a simple Q-tip but I recall a lubricant to polish
> > > the heads after cleaning.
> > >
> > > Is this still an accepted practice of cleaning and lubricating the
> > > heads?
> > >
> > > Roland
> > >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  8 04:39:16 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:39:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
Message-ID: <BAY2-F12Y6VGE1fp9f1000295ea@hotmail.com>

Carlos:

I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with the well worn 
saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"

Neil
Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!


>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
>Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
>
>You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2 years ago
>for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed that the
>deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the original carton
>inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but, it required
>more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix her 
>completely.
>The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her back to
>specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go figures !
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
>
>
> > Gerry:
> >
> > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is in 
>possession
> > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4 hundred is
> > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used for years 
>is
> > the death knell for these things.
> >
> > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my wife....I put 
>it
> > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory box.
> > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to give myself
>an
> > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up to 
>original
> > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were n/g, four 
>heads
> > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop was the 
>Teac
> > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my work on my
> > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and $$$$$ to
> > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic component of 
>this
> > age and dollar amount.
> >
> > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > >
> > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck left idle
> > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase. Assuming it was
> > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and humidity  
>,it
> > >would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile before any
> > >assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
> > >
> > >thank you very much,
> > >gerald
> > >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  8 04:50:28 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:50:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Metal master tapes
Message-ID: <BAY2-F20b8Le5b2h6uB00014bc8@hotmail.com>

J&R Music World here in NYC still has TDK Metal tape...as does Capital 
Electronics on Duane Street..both within walking distance of "ground zero"

Neil


>From: Lorne Spry <marilorn at abeam.ocn.ne.jp>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>CC: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Metal master tapes
>Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:31:43 +0000
>
>Roland wrote:
>
>>Also, where do you gents buy your metal tapes?  I'm having a hard time 
>>finding any online site that even carries metal tapes.
>
>The simple answer is that I DON'T buy them. In Japan they have vanished - 
>as have all the quality Type II high bias tapes. Two years ago I warned an 
>old friend and fellow Nak owner in Canada about what was happening here. I 
>suggested that it was also going to happen in the world market, but he was 
>unimpressed. 'Lots around here' he said.
>
>My advise hang onto ANY quality tape you have!!!
>
>Metal Master was so expensive in Japan that I never considered it. About - 
>I can't remember - $20 a pop.
>
>Some of the last metal I saw was TDK MA EX. I bought a box of it. It 
>vanished soon after. Then I found some  Sony ES metal that was being 
>flogged out to to make room for the crud they sell to the junior highschool 
>girls in the city who still use big sisters' cassette Walkmans.  I liked 
>it, so I drove over to the Sony office and asked about how to get more of 
>it. CAN'T. No production. Stopped. Over.
>
>So these days I'll take any good Type II I can get. And after TDK AD II 
>disappeared off the shelves, that leaves only a rather mid-grade Sony - 
>CDing IX. At least it is quiet and I don't use Dolby with it.
>
>>Gents, a few weeks ago, I bought some Sony SR100 metal tapes and I was 
>>impressed, very impressed on how much better they sounded over my TDK 
>>SA-C90 tapes.  But, I learned that the 'SR' was not the real good stuff 
>>from Sony so I sold them.
>
>I think that you blew it, mate.
>
>>There is a metal master tape on eBay right now and I'm wondering, what is 
>>a decent price to pay for a tape of that quality?
>
>Well, it was at least 2000 yen for a 90 min. blank here. It was not sold in 
>volume. It may have been cheaper in Akihabara. It was so expensive that it 
>was NOT on the shelves but rather in the counter cabinet along with 
>expensive hardware. I have never auditioned it. A clerk who was himself a 
>tape fan said it was great.
>
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  8 11:42:25 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:42:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
References: <BAY2-F42eozsL0yBhUp0006a6ff@hotmail.com>
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To my superb " State of the art Cleaning"...solutions Mad!!

Till I will pass always (After...SO...what happen to my Dragon...Doesn't
matter more!!!), I will use my current in use spray! Really and very
sincerely I don't mind to enter so DEEP...in this matter!

Regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication


> Neil,
>
> Thanks for sharing with us  your information about the Last Factory Tape
> Head Treatment (THT).  I E-mailed the Last Factory with several questions.
> I thought others might be interested in the informative response from
Walter
> Davies, Director of R & D.  I think I am going to take the plunge and try
> the THT.
>
> Following are my questions followed after by his answers:
>
> Your website states "one treatment lasts the entire tape."  I presume you
> are referring to reel tape.    I have questions about using the Tape Head
> Treatment on cassette decks.
>
> 1.  Should the treatment be applied each time a cassette is played
> regardless of whether it is a 60 minute tape or a 90 minute tape or a 110
> minute tape?
>
> 2.  Does frequency of application depend upon the type of tape used?    In
> other words should treatment be applied more often if a type IV metal tape
> is used as opposed to a type II Chrome tape or a type I Ferric tape?
>
> 3.  How many treatments are there in one bottle?
>
> 4.  Does it matter what brand of deck?  I have both several Studer and
> several Nakamichi decks.
>
> 5.  Does the use of the Head Treatment eliminate the need to use a tape
head
> cleaner?  If not, how frequently should the tape heads be cleaned?
>
> 6.  Does the regular use of the Head Treatment result in any residue
> build-up of any kind over time?  If so, what type of solvent should be
used
> to clean off the residue--isopropyl alcohol?  MBK?
>
> Thank you,
> Jon Ochi
>
> Hello Mr. Ochi,
>
> Thank you ro your message and questions.  Yes, the THT was designed
> originally for R-R decks, but it works beautifully in cassette decks
> as well.
> 1.  Application?  The treatment is applied to heads and guides just
> prior to playback, regardless of the length of tape.  The treatment is
> consumed during the process of playing a tape.  However, the surfaces
> of the heads and guides will not accept more than is sufficient for
> playback (or record) purposes.
>
> 2.  We have never found application interval to be dependent upon the
> type or composition of the oxide layer of the tape.  A single treat-
> ment is sufficient for the passage in one direction of any type of tape.
>
> 4.  Number of treatments per bottle?  A single bottle usually lasts a
> recordist two to three years - many hundreds of applications.
>
> 5.  Need for head cleaning?  The mere process of applying the treat-
> ment romoves loose oxide and debris from the heads and guides.  In
> practice, I clean the heads, guides, capstan(s), and idler(s) at the
> end of a recording or listeneng session if there is any sign of debris
> on the mechanism.  If everything appears (and performs) as clean, then
> I shut down without the cleaning step.
>
> 6.  Build up?  I have been using the treatment on my own decks since
> the mid 80's and have never had any buildup or residue.  Nor have there
> been any reports from any of the hundreds of engineers or operators
> that use it on a regular basis.
>
> I hope that these responses are helpful and not too wordy.
>
> With Best Regards,
>
> Walter Davies
> Dir. R & D
> The LAST Factory
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
>
>
> > Head lube is available from the Last Factory in Livermore
California..this
> > stuff is excellent..but extremely expensive..but hey if it works the
money
> > is secondary!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > PS Gunshots going off here in NYC..this is not exactly how I wanted to
> bring
> > in the 4th!
> >
> >
> > >From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning and lubrication
> > >Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Use any head cleaning fluid, MEK or alcohol.  If you use alcohol,
> > >make sure it is > 98% pure.  Anything less contains water.  The
> > >alcohol will evaporate very quickly and leave the water to rust the
> > >heads.  :-(
> > >
> > >Way back when Nakamichi was located in Torrance I used to pick up my
> > >parts at the service counter and they used to sell Intraclean P/N
> > >S-711.  They said that Nakamichi doesn't officially endorse the
> > >stuff, but, the guy did say that they it in the service department.
> > >
> > >I think it's now called S-721 and its made by American Recorder.
> >
>
>http://americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=12&products_id=1
> 08&osCsid=04748c0242312e65a9ae1de2b2a383f1
> > >$10 for a 2 ounce bottle that will last a lifetime.
> > >
> > >I have never heard of anyone recommending a lubricant after cleaning
> > >the heads.  Although if you are going to put a deck into storage for
> > >a while and it might be humid I would recommend a little bit of a
> > >light oil to keep them from rusting, but, clean it off completely
> > >before use.  Or throw a dissicant in the cassette area before packing
> > >it up.
> > >
> > >Scott J.
> > >
> > >--- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:
> > > > I've only had my CR-7A for three months or so and I've yet to clean
> > > > or demagnetize the heads.  It probably has less than 15 hours since
> > > > I've own it.
> > > >
> > > > In my younger days of audio (late 70's), I seem to recall cleaning
> > > > the heads with a simple Q-tip but I recall a lubricant to polish
> > > > the heads after cleaning.
> > > >
> > > > Is this still an accepted practice of cleaning and lubricating the
> > > > heads?
> > > >
> > > > Roland
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  8 11:47:03 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:47:03 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
References: <BAY2-F12Y6VGE1fp9f1000295ea@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV28HqS5C74a000324e5@hotmail.com>

Amazing Carlos!

My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was acquired
in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3 days, and after
"My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless! How a an more
expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant price for enjoy
again???, I really can't understand that!

Regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A


> Carlos:
>
> I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with the well
worn
> saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
>
> Neil
> Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
>
>
> >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> >
> >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2 years ago
> >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed that the
> >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the original carton
> >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but, it required
> >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix her
> >completely.
> >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her back to
> >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go figures !
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> >
> > > Gerry:
> > >
> > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is in
> >possession
> > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4 hundred
is
> > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used for years
> >is
> > > the death knell for these things.
> > >
> > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my wife....I put
> >it
> > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory box.
> > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to give
myself
> >an
> > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up to
> >original
> > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were n/g, four
> >heads
> > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop was the
> >Teac
> > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my work on my
> > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and $$$$$
to
> > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic component of
> >this
> > > age and dollar amount.
> > >
> > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck left
idle
> > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase. Assuming it
was
> > > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and humidity
> >,it
> > > >would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile before any
> > > >assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
> > > >
> > > >thank you very much,
> > > >gerald
> > > >
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu Jul  8 16:02:23 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:02:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Metal Tape
Message-ID: <001401c464f4$320988e0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Neil, Kent, Horatio,

Do you know if the TDK metal tapes from J&R Music World have the welded shells or the screw attached shells?  I have some TDK MA tapes that have the welded shells....can't remember now where I got them from!  Although they seem to work very well, I just like the shells with screws better.

On a different subject, does anyone know if Caig Laboratories has any products similar to the Last THT for lubricating tape heads?  I know they have a cleaner called CaiKleen A/V.  Would using their ProGold Conditioner on heads be a bad idea?

And thanks also to Kent for the great history on the Sheffield Labs recordings.....very informative!  Horatio, if you are reading this, I too would appreciate a PDF of the listing.  My email is rjkent at comcast.net.

Robert J Kent

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul  8 19:21:10 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:21:10 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
References: <BAY2-F12Y6VGE1fp9f1000295ea@hotmail.com>
	<BAY18-DAV28HqS5C74a000324e5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301c4650f$f7286130$61773242@CopyTech>

Luck is a very part of it, plus the 1000 ZXL is a much more complex machine
with older technology.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A


> Amazing Carlos!
>
> My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was acquired
> in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3 days, and after
> "My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless! How a an more
> expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant price for enjoy
> again???, I really can't understand that!
>
> Regards,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
>
>
> > Carlos:
> >
> > I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with the well
> worn
> > saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
> >
> > Neil
> > Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
> >
> >
> > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> > >
> > >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2 years
ago
> > >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed that
the
> > >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the original
carton
> > >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but, it
required
> > >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix her
> > >completely.
> > >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her back to
> > >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go figures !
> > >
> > >Carlos
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gerry:
> > > >
> > > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is in
> > >possession
> > > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4
hundred
> is
> > > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used for
years
> > >is
> > > > the death knell for these things.
> > > >
> > > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my wife....I
put
> > >it
> > > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory box.
> > > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to give
> myself
> > >an
> > > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up to
> > >original
> > > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were n/g, four
> > >heads
> > > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop was the
> > >Teac
> > > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my work on
my
> > > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and $$$$$
> to
> > > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic component of
> > >this
> > > > age and dollar amount.
> > > >
> > > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > > >
> > > > Neil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck left
> idle
> > > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase. Assuming it
> was
> > > > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and humidity
> > >,it
> > > > >would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile before any
> > > > >assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
> > > > >
> > > > >thank you very much,
> > > > >gerald
> > > > >
> > > >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Jul  8 18:41:13 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:41:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
Message-ID: <11719-40ED7929-3194@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>

I was recently going through my stock of tapes for recording,which are
nearly all Maxell type II's with some TDK SA's also,when i found a few
odd cassettes. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone has any
comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90 3)MAXell XLII-S 100
4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony HF-S 60 8)TRIAD EM-X
90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been discussed and are in the
archives,and are on on some of the tape sites listed by naktalkers,but i
thought it may be fun to review their relative merits/deficiencies

thank you very much,
gerald



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Jul  9 00:00:59 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:00:59 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5DA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Gerald. I have all but the triad em-x. I've used these tapes on some of
my Naks and they come up trumps, crystal clear sound. The Denon HD-8 shell
is not too bad compared to the rest of the tapes listed in your e-mail but
still a decent tape. The other tapes I cannot fault.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: jerryjg at webtv.net [mailto:jerryjg at webtv.net]
Sent: Friday, 9 July 2004 2:41 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES


I was recently going through my stock of tapes for recording,which are
nearly all Maxell type II's with some TDK SA's also,when i found a few
odd cassettes. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone has any
comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90 3)MAXell XLII-S 100
4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony HF-S 60 8)TRIAD EM-X
90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been discussed and are in the
archives,and are on on some of the tape sites listed by naktalkers,but i
thought it may be fun to review their relative merits/deficiencies

thank you very much,
gerald

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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jul  8 17:44:57 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:44:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
Message-ID: <20040708154458.HWXL5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Carlos,

I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I placed a 'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The price I was given for an overhaul was astronomical.  Full overhaul was like $1000 and they would sell me the remote for $100 new and they would look for a door cover.

ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty much needing a complete overhaul.

On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were 30lbs. of complex mechanical Esherism. 

It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30% improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.

There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks and the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/07/08 Thu PM 01:21:10 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> 
> Luck is a very part of it, plus the 1000 ZXL is a much more complex machine
> with older technology.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> 
> 
> > Amazing Carlos!
> >
> > My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was acquired
> > in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3 days, and after
> > "My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless! How a an more
> > expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant price for enjoy
> > again???, I really can't understand that!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> >
> > > Carlos:
> > >
> > > I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with the well
> > worn
> > > saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
> > >
> > > Neil
> > > Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> > > >
> > > >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2 years
> ago
> > > >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed that
> the
> > > >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the original
> carton
> > > >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but, it
> required
> > > >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix her
> > > >completely.
> > > >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her back to
> > > >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go figures !
> > > >
> > > >Carlos
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Gerry:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is in
> > > >possession
> > > > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4
> hundred
> > is
> > > > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used for
> years
> > > >is
> > > > > the death knell for these things.
> > > > >
> > > > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my wife....I
> put
> > > >it
> > > > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory box.
> > > > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to give
> > myself
> > > >an
> > > > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up to
> > > >original
> > > > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were n/g, four
> > > >heads
> > > > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop was the
> > > >Teac
> > > > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my work on
> my
> > > > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and $$$$$
> > to
> > > > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic component of
> > > >this
> > > > > age and dollar amount.
> > > > >
> > > > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck left
> > idle
> > > > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase. Assuming it
> > was
> > > > > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and humidity
> > > >,it
> > > > > >would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile before any
> > > > > >assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >thank you very much,
> > > > > >gerald
> > > > > >
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From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Thu Jul  8 22:14:56 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:14:56 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
References: <11719-40ED7929-3194@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <002f01c46528$3d76a760$ad1c98de@tec>

Hi y'all

TDK's SA - X's are excellent 70 uS tapes, the bigger brother of SA's. The
Maxell XLII's are similar.

Regards

Donald
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:41 AM
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES


> I was recently going through my stock of tapes for recording,which are
> nearly all Maxell type II's with some TDK SA's also,when i found a few
> odd cassettes. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone has any
> comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90 3)MAXell XLII-S 100
> 4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony HF-S 60 8)TRIAD EM-X
> 90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been discussed and are in the
> archives,and are on on some of the tape sites listed by naktalkers,but i
> thought it may be fun to review their relative merits/deficiencies
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Fri Jul  9 03:01:53 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:01:53 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] nak 700 vs. 700 II
Message-ID: <20040708.180235.2930.274365@webmail13.lax.untd.com>



In a recent fit of emotionalism I bought a NAK 700, which is going to need some work.
  But a seller of a 700 II says it is much better by far.
  Now I am having doubts. This was going to be a nostalga thing anyway.
  ------
  On another note, why do the NAK 480 models seem inferior to some of the other standards? I had an LX-3 that worked and sounded beautiful for many years. Still playing some of the tapes made on it.
   -------
thanks
 bob
   

bob charlanza
610.775.9354 wknds
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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Fri Jul  9 03:07:42 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:07:42 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
Message-ID: <20040708.180748.2930.274444@webmail13.lax.untd.com>


I figure a lot of you guys -- like myself -- have been taping records for a lot of years.
  I used to make my own cleaning stuff from grain alcohol, but selling it is outlawed in Pennsylvania unless you go through a big hassle.
  Do any of you know how I can get some?
   Or, if you have another solution (pun intended).
    I do not have a cleaning machine, so perhaps you can enlighten me on that score ie: vs hand cleaning records.
   thanks
    for any help
bob


bob charlanza
610.775.9354 wknds
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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Fri Jul  9 03:10:24 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:10:24 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UR
Message-ID: <20040708.181053.2930.274482@webmail13.lax.untd.com>


 I just upon a chache of Maxell UR (120 bias) that are selling for $4 for a pack of seven (90 mins.). 
  I am making some not critical vocal tapes for the car.
  I have used Maxell high bias most of my life, but now am curious if I should consider buying more of these URs for critical recordings.
   Any notions?
  thanks
    bob


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From fractal2000 at terra.com.br  Fri Jul  9 08:28:32 2004
From: fractal2000 at terra.com.br (Daniel Ravazzi)
Date: Fri,  9 Jul 2004 03:28:32 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
Message-ID: <I0KNBK$72FA7AA4AB30E540B1A224B8DB1A44BB@terra.com.br>

Hello all,

By the way, as you told about tapes...maybe any guy also use DCC decks...I have some new tapes available in stock. I listed one at Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14962&item=5708107010&rd=1

Thanks in advance,
Daniel


Data: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:41:13 -0500
Assunto: [naktalk] TAPES

> I was recently going through my stock of tapes for recording,which are
> nearly all Maxell type II's with some TDK SA's also,when i found a few
> odd cassettes. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone has any
> comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90 3)MAXell XLII-S 100
> 4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony HF-S 60 8)TRIAD EM-X
> 90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been discussed and are in the
> archives,and are on on some of the tape sites listed by naktalkers,but i
> thought it may be fun to review their relative merits/deficiencies
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 13:19:47 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:19:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
References: <11719-40ED7929-3194@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>
	<002f01c46528$3d76a760$ad1c98de@tec>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV11xVn3Qzh600001ed0@hotmail.com>

Hello Donald!

Be very confidently...with my free gifted Dragon, was included 12 cassettes
TDK SA-X-100, and till today I use 3 of them and really I completely agree
with you! My received ones were "Shell" made in US, tape in Japan, and was
obtained trough US dealer...20 years ago!!!

Be 100% happy with them!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald Sangster" <donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] TAPES


> Hi y'all
>
> TDK's SA - X's are excellent 70 uS tapes, the bigger brother of SA's. The
> Maxell XLII's are similar.
>
> Regards
>
> Donald
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:41 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
>
>
> > I was recently going through my stock of tapes for recording,which are
> > nearly all Maxell type II's with some TDK SA's also,when i found a few
> > odd cassettes. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone has any
> > comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90 3)MAXell XLII-S 100
> > 4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony HF-S 60 8)TRIAD EM-X
> > 90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been discussed and are in the
> > archives,and are on on some of the tape sites listed by naktalkers,but i
> > thought it may be fun to review their relative merits/deficiencies
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 13:30:27 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:30:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UR
References: <20040708.181053.2930.274482@webmail13.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5O1eVGiSu50000140a@hotmail.com>

Again Hello Bobby!

UR...was the cheapest "Normal" type Maxell tapes, and was to my needs very
Inferior!

Try to find something better!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bobobozo at netzero.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:10 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UR


>
>  I just upon a chache of Maxell UR (120 bias) that are selling for $4 for
a pack of seven (90 mins.).
>   I am making some not critical vocal tapes for the car.
>   I have used Maxell high bias most of my life, but now am curious if I
should consider buying more of these URs for critical recordings.
>    Any notions?
>   thanks
>     bob
>
>
> bob charlanza
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Jul  9 12:52:57 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:52:57 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UR
References: <20040708.181053.2930.274482@webmail13.lax.untd.com>
	<BAY18-DAV5O1eVGiSu50000140a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <009001c465a2$e77b2090$1010a8c0@tg>

Would suggest, as normal bias, TDK CDing; its superior to most normal tapes.
You'll decrease your calibration knobs!!!

Best to all.
Tayfur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell UR


> Again Hello Bobby!
>
> UR...was the cheapest "Normal" type Maxell tapes, and was to my needs very
> Inferior!
>
> Try to find something better!!!
>
> Happy Listening,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bobobozo at netzero.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:10 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UR
>
>
> >
> >  I just upon a chache of Maxell UR (120 bias) that are selling for $4
for
> a pack of seven (90 mins.).
> >   I am making some not critical vocal tapes for the car.
> >   I have used Maxell high bias most of my life, but now am curious if I
> should consider buying more of these URs for critical recordings.
> >    Any notions?
> >   thanks
> >     bob
> >
> >
> > bob charlanza
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From erie at shelbyvilledesign.com  Fri Jul  9 14:02:01 2004
From: erie at shelbyvilledesign.com (erie)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 07:02:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700II parts deck?
Message-ID: <40EE8939.7030603@shelbyvilledesign.com>

Hello everyone, been a while since I've subbed and am looking forward to 
getting my
700II up and running, is there a pdf of the service manual or schematics 
available yet?
And/or does anyone know of a parts deck available? need at the least a 
power supply board...


erie patsellis


From lornespry at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 14:12:51 2004
From: lornespry at yahoo.com (Lorne Spry)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
Message-ID: <20040709121251.96543.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com>

naktalk at naks.com

gerald  wrote:

[SNIP. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone
has any
comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90
3)MAXell XLII-S 100
4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony
HF-S 60 8)TRIAD EM-X
90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been
discussed and are in the
archives,and are on on some of the tape sites[SNIP]

MAXELL XLII-S is an excellent Type II tape. When the
marketing strategy that is already at least two years
old hits the rest of the planet, this tape stock will
be better than anything new available in terms of
dynamic range. Later emulsion formulae may have
improved the noise factor, but at what cost to dynamic
range, if any, is beyond my scope on things. And I do
say 'MAY have improved'.

Normally speaking, and according to an ex-student of
mine who is a Sony engineer, cassettes containing over
74 minutes should be considered carefully because the
thickness of the tape is often reduced. Serveral
problems can occur including stretching, and maybe
bleed through signal. That being said, I never found
any problem with XLS-S 100.

I have some of these tapes which I bought in Japan
some eight or so years ago, and I am saving them for
special projects along with the last TDK AD-2 I found
available and almost any high quality Type II tape
from some years before now.

Incidently TDK-2 was THE LAST tape sold here in Sendai
which carried some specifications on the wrapper. Not
a single remaining tape still manufactured and sold at
Sendai's largest electronics dealer carries any
technical data on the wrapper except for the type and
bias � normal or high. A search on the net for Sony
specs (among others) produced no specs whatsoever.

Get the message, ladies and gentlemen on the Nak-list
� THE INDUSTRY WANTS TO DROP YOU OFF! NOW! It has not
the slightest interest in producing this medium for
the relatively few who remain using it. It will up up
to third party ventures to broker  the production
facilities and create a retro-market � IF the big
companies will even allow it. Once cassette tape is
seen as a niche market for apparent antiquarians as
opposed to a distraction from DVD and CD recorder
sales,  the road will be open. Until then hang onto to
good stock.

As we all have observed, retro-markets have already
stimulated new production of vacuum tubes, cloth
covered wire and other stuff which many assumed had
passed into obsolescence and history . If this does
not happen to tape as well, eventually (very soon) we
will be left with mediocre tape, which while being
perhaps more quiet than tape of say 15-20 years ago,
is less able to entertain.

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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul  9 18:53:24 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:53:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
References: <20040708154458.HWXL5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c465d5$40c7eca0$4c773242@CopyTech>

Yes. ES Labs don't simply fix the problem. They want to overhaul the whole
machine in order to guarantee their job. I understand that, but in most of
the cases is simply un-practical and make no sense. Otherwise, they are a
superb service shop, but not for my own needs ... unfortunately.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A


> Carlos,
>
> I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I placed a
'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The price I was given for
an overhaul was astronomical.  Full overhaul was like $1000 and they would
sell me the remote for $100 new and they would look for a door cover.
>
> ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty much
needing a complete overhaul.
>
> On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were 30lbs.
of complex mechanical Esherism.
>
> It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30%
improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
>
> There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks and
the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/08 Thu PM 01:21:10 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> > Luck is a very part of it, plus the 1000 ZXL is a much more complex
machine
> > with older technology.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> >
> > > Amazing Carlos!
> > >
> > > My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was
acquired
> > > in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3 days, and
after
> > > "My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless! How a an more
> > > expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant price for
enjoy
> > > again???, I really can't understand that!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > ALEX!
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > >
> > >
> > > > Carlos:
> > > >
> > > > I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with the
well
> > > worn
> > > > saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
> > > >
> > > > Neil
> > > > Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2
years
> > ago
> > > > >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed
that
> > the
> > > > >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the original
> > carton
> > > > >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but, it
> > required
> > > > >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix her
> > > > >completely.
> > > > >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her back
to
> > > > >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go figures
!
> > > > >
> > > > >Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gerry:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is in
> > > > >possession
> > > > > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4
> > hundred
> > > is
> > > > > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used for
> > years
> > > > >is
> > > > > > the death knell for these things.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my
wife....I
> > put
> > > > >it
> > > > > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory
box.
> > > > > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to
give
> > > myself
> > > > >an
> > > > > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up to
> > > > >original
> > > > > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were n/g,
four
> > > > >heads
> > > > > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop was
the
> > > > >Teac
> > > > > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my work
on
> > my
> > > > > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and
$$$$$
> > > to
> > > > > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic
component of
> > > > >this
> > > > > > age and dollar amount.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neil
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
<naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck
left
> > > idle
> > > > > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase.
Assuming it
> > > was
> > > > > > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul  9 18:37:43 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:37:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <20040708154458.HWXL5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c465d3$0f1d4da0$44f04c51@oemcomputer>

Even so, nevertheless it is arguable that none of the modern DOMESTIC
formats can yet equal the quality of a really good cassette deck and
software for recording quality or, for that matter, longevity.  Come to
that, I am not totally convinced that some of the modern hard drive studio
equipment does as good a job as good old fashioned reel to reel, either!  I
think some of the worst classical CDs I have are DDD whereas the best I have
are usually AAD.  And not one of my digital mastered vinyls is anything like
as good as the best of my analogue recordings, some of which are as old as I
am!  There is so often a hard harshness to digital recordings that is NOT
life-like at all, not unless you are comparing with a live, fully miked up
and amplified stage performance!!  It is no wonder, I think, that some
people are going back to tube amps as their inherent "weakness" (or
"strength", if you are a tube affectionado) often softens the hardness of
the digital recordings, making them sound much better than they are!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: 08 July 2004 16:45
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
>
>
> Carlos,
>
> I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I
> placed a 'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The
> price I was given for an overhaul was astronomical.  Full
> overhaul was like $1000 and they would sell me the remote for
> $100 new and they would look for a door cover.
>
> ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty
> much needing a complete overhaul.
>
> On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were
> 30lbs. of complex mechanical Esherism.
>
> It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be
> a 30% improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
>
> There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own
> Naks and the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent
> of a Dragon.
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Jul  9 15:15:17 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:15:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
In-Reply-To: <20040708154458.HWXL5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709091157.03c9c8b0@psulias.psu.edu>

Yea, but I have two Mitsubishi VCRs from the mid/late-80s that are still 
going strong while I've had Panasonic some other garbage as bedroom VCRs 
break after a few hours of play.  There's only so cheap something can be 
and still be "good".

I'd still pay $500 for a new Dragon, no doubt.


>On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were 30lbs. 
>of complex mechanical Esherism.
>
>It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30% 
>improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
>
>There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks and 
>the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 15:19:56 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:19:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
Message-ID: <BAY2-F42BmNyekNLlHR000a0ba7@hotmail.com>

To me folks..the greatest tape of all time was the now long nla..HX-S!


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] TAPES
>Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:19:47 +0200
>
>Hello Donald!
>
>Be very confidently...with my free gifted Dragon, was included 12 cassettes
>TDK SA-X-100, and till today I use 3 of them and really I completely agree
>with you! My received ones were "Shell" made in US, tape in Japan, and was
>obtained trough US dealer...20 years ago!!!
>
>Be 100% happy with them!!!
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Donald Sangster" <donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] TAPES
>
>
> > Hi y'all
> >
> > TDK's SA - X's are excellent 70 uS tapes, the bigger brother of SA's. 
>The
> > Maxell XLII's are similar.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Donald
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:41 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
> >
> >
> > > I was recently going through my stock of tapes for recording,which are
> > > nearly all Maxell type II's with some TDK SA's also,when i found a few
> > > odd cassettes. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone has any
> > > comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90 3)MAXell XLII-S 100
> > > 4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony HF-S 60 8)TRIAD 
>EM-X
> > > 90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been discussed and are in the
> > > archives,and are on on some of the tape sites listed by naktalkers,but 
>i
> > > thought it may be fun to review their relative merits/deficiencies
> > >
> > > thank you very much,
> > > gerald
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 15:27:15 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:27:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
Message-ID: <BAY2-F16ts6n5bEgMad0001d267@hotmail.com>

Lorne:

There is even a resurgence of interest in open reel decks!...now if only 
Teac will tool up for a new era of consumer ANALOG decks!  (more and more 
recording artists are laying down tracks with analog decks....)...hummm it 
only took "the rest" of them 20 years to "discover" that the sound of analog 
is far "better" than the digits!

Neil
Absolutely beautiful day here in NYC!


>From: Lorne Spry <lornespry at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
>Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
>
>naktalk at naks.com
>
>gerald  wrote:
>
>[SNIP. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone
>has any
>comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90
>3)MAXell XLII-S 100
>4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony
>HF-S 60 8)TRIAD EM-X
>90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been
>discussed and are in the
>archives,and are on on some of the tape sites[SNIP]
>
>MAXELL XLII-S is an excellent Type II tape. When the
>marketing strategy that is already at least two years
>old hits the rest of the planet, this tape stock will
>be better than anything new available in terms of
>dynamic range. Later emulsion formulae may have
>improved the noise factor, but at what cost to dynamic
>range, if any, is beyond my scope on things. And I do
>say 'MAY have improved'.
>
>Normally speaking, and according to an ex-student of
>mine who is a Sony engineer, cassettes containing over
>74 minutes should be considered carefully because the
>thickness of the tape is often reduced. Serveral
>problems can occur including stretching, and maybe
>bleed through signal. That being said, I never found
>any problem with XLS-S 100.
>
>I have some of these tapes which I bought in Japan
>some eight or so years ago, and I am saving them for
>special projects along with the last TDK AD-2 I found
>available and almost any high quality Type II tape
>from some years before now.
>
>Incidently TDK-2 was THE LAST tape sold here in Sendai
>which carried some specifications on the wrapper. Not
>a single remaining tape still manufactured and sold at
>Sendai's largest electronics dealer carries any
>technical data on the wrapper except for the type and
>bias � normal or high. A search on the net for Sony
>specs (among others) produced no specs whatsoever.
>
>Get the message, ladies and gentlemen on the Nak-list
>� THE INDUSTRY WANTS TO DROP YOU OFF! NOW! It has not
>the slightest interest in producing this medium for
>the relatively few who remain using it. It will up up
>to third party ventures to broker  the production
>facilities and create a retro-market � IF the big
>companies will even allow it. Once cassette tape is
>seen as a niche market for apparent antiquarians as
>opposed to a distraction from DVD and CD recorder
>sales,  the road will be open. Until then hang onto to
>good stock.
>
>As we all have observed, retro-markets have already
>stimulated new production of vacuum tubes, cloth
>covered wire and other stuff which many assumed had
>passed into obsolescence and history . If this does
>not happen to tape as well, eventually (very soon) we
>will be left with mediocre tape, which while being
>perhaps more quiet than tape of say 15-20 years ago,
>is less able to entertain.
>
>Lorne in Sendai Japan
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 15:33:36 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:33:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
Message-ID: <BAY2-F25qoMIOGCvqQ7000233bb@hotmail.com>

Bob:

Contact Harry Weisfield at VPI Industries. They are located in Cliffwood, 
New Jersey.

I have been a user of VPI cleaning machines for over 20 years, and have had 
excellent results with the "secret potion" he sells for the machines!

Neil


>From: "bobobozo at netzero.com" <bobobozo at netzero.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
>Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:07:42 GMT
>
>
>I figure a lot of you guys -- like myself -- have been taping records for a 
>lot of years.
>   I used to make my own cleaning stuff from grain alcohol, but selling it 
>is outlawed in Pennsylvania unless you go through a big hassle.
>   Do any of you know how I can get some?
>    Or, if you have another solution (pun intended).
>     I do not have a cleaning machine, so perhaps you can enlighten me on 
>that score ie: vs hand cleaning records.
>    thanks
>     for any help
>bob
>
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Jul  9 18:26:30 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:26:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
Message-ID: <20040709162630.PQCU923.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

I hear you.  I wouldn't mind just sending it in for a tune-up with mechanical alignment and electrical tuning and though should only cost $150.

There was a lady on this board whom I contacted some months ago and gave me the name of a 'cassette specialist' who worked for Nakamichi in California.

If I can dig it up, I'll post it.  She told me about having belts replaced and some minor part, with complete tuning, the bill was only $130.


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 12:53:24 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> 
> Yes. ES Labs don't simply fix the problem. They want to overhaul the whole
> machine in order to guarantee their job. I understand that, but in most of
> the cases is simply un-practical and make no sense. Otherwise, they are a
> superb service shop, but not for my own needs ... unfortunately.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> 
> 
> > Carlos,
> >
> > I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I placed a
> 'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The price I was given for
> an overhaul was astronomical.  Full overhaul was like $1000 and they would
> sell me the remote for $100 new and they would look for a door cover.
> >
> > ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty much
> needing a complete overhaul.
> >
> > On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were 30lbs.
> of complex mechanical Esherism.
> >
> > It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30%
> improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
> >
> > There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks and
> the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > Date: 2004/07/08 Thu PM 01:21:10 EDT
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > >
> > > Luck is a very part of it, plus the 1000 ZXL is a much more complex
> machine
> > > with older technology.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > >
> > >
> > > > Amazing Carlos!
> > > >
> > > > My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was
> acquired
> > > > in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3 days, and
> after
> > > > "My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless! How a an more
> > > > expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant price for
> enjoy
> > > > again???, I really can't understand that!
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > ALEX!
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Carlos:
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with the
> well
> > > > worn
> > > > > saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > > Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2
> years
> > > ago
> > > > > >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed
> that
> > > the
> > > > > >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the original
> > > carton
> > > > > >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but, it
> > > required
> > > > > >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix her
> > > > > >completely.
> > > > > >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her back
> to
> > > > > >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go figures
> !
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gerry:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is in
> > > > > >possession
> > > > > > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4
> > > hundred
> > > > is
> > > > > > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used for
> > > years
> > > > > >is
> > > > > > > the death knell for these things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my
> wife....I
> > > put
> > > > > >it
> > > > > > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory
> box.
> > > > > > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to
> give
> > > > myself
> > > > > >an
> > > > > > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up to
> > > > > >original
> > > > > > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were n/g,
> four
> > > > > >heads
> > > > > > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop was
> the
> > > > > >Teac
> > > > > > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my work
> on
> > > my
> > > > > > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and
> $$$$$
> > > > to
> > > > > > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic
> component of
> > > > > >this
> > > > > > > age and dollar amount.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck
> left
> > > > idle
> > > > > > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase.
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Jul  9 18:44:44 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:44:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
Message-ID: <20040709164445.RAXE17721.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Nelson,

Very well put!!  It's funny that the human brain takes a long period of time to adjust to sounds that it is not accustomed.   

Like digital,  I hated it at first because the sound engineers simply were not doing a good job with the available equipment.  Over the years, they and the equipment became very, very good.  Again, the brain takes time to adjust and the brain being what it is looks for faults.  After a few years, I started 'hearing' those fault and describe the sound as you have done.  Artificial is a good word also.

I cherish my 300+ albums and 600+ 45's and the CR-7A that records them.

Good thought!
> 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 12:37:43 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> 
> Even so, nevertheless it is arguable that none of the modern DOMESTIC
> formats can yet equal the quality of a really good cassette deck and
> software for recording quality or, for that matter, longevity.  Come to
> that, I am not totally convinced that some of the modern hard drive studio
> equipment does as good a job as good old fashioned reel to reel, either!  I
> think some of the worst classical CDs I have are DDD whereas the best I have
> are usually AAD.  And not one of my digital mastered vinyls is anything like
> as good as the best of my analogue recordings, some of which are as old as I
> am!  There is so often a hard harshness to digital recordings that is NOT
> life-like at all, not unless you are comparing with a live, fully miked up
> and amplified stage performance!!  It is no wonder, I think, that some
> people are going back to tube amps as their inherent "weakness" (or
> "strength", if you are a tube affectionado) often softens the hardness of
> the digital recordings, making them sound much better than they are!
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > Sent: 08 July 2004 16:45
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I
> > placed a 'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The
> > price I was given for an overhaul was astronomical.  Full
> > overhaul was like $1000 and they would sell me the remote for
> > $100 new and they would look for a door cover.
> >
> > ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty
> > much needing a complete overhaul.
> >
> > On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were
> > 30lbs. of complex mechanical Esherism.
> >
> > It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be
> > a 30% improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
> >
> > There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own
> > Naks and the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent
> > of a Dragon.
> >
> >
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sat Jul 10 06:39:06 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:39:06 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
References: <20040709162630.PQCU923.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <000001c46639$87460ae0$1a299bca@aisha>


A lady on this board ??  Are you sure it was naktalk ?


----- Original Message -----
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A


> I hear you.  I wouldn't mind just sending it in for a tune-up with
mechanical alignment and electrical tuning and though should only cost $150.
>
> There was a lady on this board whom I contacted some months ago and gave
me the name of a 'cassette specialist' who worked for Nakamichi in
California.
>
> If I can dig it up, I'll post it.  She told me about having belts replaced
and some minor part, with complete tuning, the bill was only $130.
>
>




From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Jul 10 01:27:22 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:27:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
Message-ID: <20040709232723.KYME25349.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Derrick,

I might have given the wrong tone to my message. 

I'm in complete agreement with you.


> 
> From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> Date: 2004/07/09 Fri AM 09:15:17 EDT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> 
> Yea, but I have two Mitsubishi VCRs from the mid/late-80s that are still 
> going strong while I've had Panasonic some other garbage as bedroom VCRs 
> break after a few hours of play.  There's only so cheap something can be 
> and still be "good".
> 
> I'd still pay $500 for a new Dragon, no doubt.
> 
> 
> >On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were 30lbs. 
> >of complex mechanical Esherism.
> >
> >It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30% 
> >improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
> >
> >There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks and 
> >the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Sat Jul 10 01:54:46 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:54:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
References: <20040708.180748.2930.274444@webmail13.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c46610$1d93c570$6501a8c0@dougpc>

Bob,

You can get absolute alcohol from any of the chemical vending houses.  Look
up the phone number or website for Fisher Scientific and ask them for
non-denatured absolute alcohol (100% ethanol) or constanst boiling
non-denatured alcohol (95% ethanol and 5%water).  You might be able to buy
as little as a pint for very little cash and it will last forever.  By the
way, if you do manage to get some, resist the urge to sample it internally.
High percentage alcohol will burn the lining of your mouth and esophagus on
contact.  We chemists call it heat of hydration.
Good luck,
Dean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bobobozo at netzero.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:07 PM
Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question


>
> I figure a lot of you guys -- like myself -- have been taping records for
a lot of years.
>   I used to make my own cleaning stuff from grain alcohol, but selling it
is outlawed in Pennsylvania unless you go through a big hassle.
>   Do any of you know how I can get some?
>    Or, if you have another solution (pun intended).
>     I do not have a cleaning machine, so perhaps you can enlighten me on
that score ie: vs hand cleaning records.
>    thanks
>     for any help
> bob
>
>
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat Jul 10 02:15:23 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:15:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A - Lady on the board????
In-Reply-To: <20040709162630.PQCU923.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEHICDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Dig it out please ... Lady on the board, this is a new one ... Sure it was
not Graham?

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:27 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A


I hear you.  I wouldn't mind just sending it in for a tune-up with
mechanical alignment and electrical tuning and though should only cost $150.

There was a lady on this board whom I contacted some months ago and gave me
the name of a 'cassette specialist' who worked for Nakamichi in California.

If I can dig it up, I'll post it.  She told me about having belts replaced
and some minor part, with complete tuning, the bill was only $130.


>
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 12:53:24 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
>
> Yes. ES Labs don't simply fix the problem. They want to overhaul the whole
> machine in order to guarantee their job. I understand that, but in most of
> the cases is simply un-practical and make no sense. Otherwise, they are a
> superb service shop, but not for my own needs ... unfortunately.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
>
>
> > Carlos,
> >
> > I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I placed a
> 'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The price I was given
for
> an overhaul was astronomical.  Full overhaul was like $1000 and they would
> sell me the remote for $100 new and they would look for a door cover.
> >
> > ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty much
> needing a complete overhaul.
> >
> > On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were 30lbs.
> of complex mechanical Esherism.
> >
> > It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30%
> improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
> >
> > There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks
and
> the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > Date: 2004/07/08 Thu PM 01:21:10 EDT
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > >
> > > Luck is a very part of it, plus the 1000 ZXL is a much more complex
> machine
> > > with older technology.
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > >
> > >
> > > > Amazing Carlos!
> > > >
> > > > My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was
> acquired
> > > > in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3 days, and
> after
> > > > "My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless! How a an more
> > > > expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant price for
> enjoy
> > > > again???, I really can't understand that!
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > ALEX!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Carlos:
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with the
> well
> > > > worn
> > > > > saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > > Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2
> years
> > > ago
> > > > > >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed
> that
> > > the
> > > > > >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the
original
> > > carton
> > > > > >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but, it
> > > required
> > > > > >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix her
> > > > > >completely.
> > > > > >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her
back
> to
> > > > > >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go
figures
> !
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Carlos
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gerry:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is
in
> > > > > >possession
> > > > > > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4
> > > hundred
> > > > is
> > > > > > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used
for
> > > years
> > > > > >is
> > > > > > > the death knell for these things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my
> wife....I
> > > put
> > > > > >it
> > > > > > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory
> box.
> > > > > > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to
> give
> > > > myself
> > > > > >an
> > > > > > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up
to
> > > > > >original
> > > > > > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were
n/g,
> four
> > > > > >heads
> > > > > > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop
was
> the
> > > > > >Teac
> > > > > > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my
work
> on
> > > my
> > > > > > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and
> $$$$$
> > > > to
> > > > > > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic
> component of
> > > > > >this
> > > > > > > age and dollar amount.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck
> left
> > > > idle
> > > > > > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase.
> Assuming it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and
> humidity
> > > > > >,it
> > > > > > > >would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile
before
> any
> > > > > > > >assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >thank you very much,
> > > > > > > >gerald
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 10 12:55:47 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:55:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
In-Reply-To: <000d01c46610$1d93c570$6501a8c0@dougpc>
Message-ID: <000701c4666c$7495ec20$61894c51@oemcomputer>

And the great thing about it is, if the cleaning doesn't help make the
machine sound better all  you have to do is drink the alcohol and EVERYTHING
then sounds like it's made in Heaven.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Dean Bauer
> Sent: 10 July 2004 00:55
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] vinyl question
>
>
> Bob,
>
> You can get absolute alcohol from any of the chemical vending
> houses.  Look
> up the phone number or website for Fisher Scientific and ask them for
> non-denatured absolute alcohol (100% ethanol) or constanst boiling
> non-denatured alcohol (95% ethanol and 5%water).  You might be able to buy
> as little as a pint for very little cash and it will last forever.  By the
> way, if you do manage to get some, resist the urge to sample it
> internally.
> High percentage alcohol will burn the lining of your mouth and
> esophagus on
> contact.  We chemists call it heat of hydration.
> Good luck,
> Dean
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bobobozo at netzero.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:07 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
>
>
> >
> > I figure a lot of you guys -- like myself -- have been taping
> records for
> a lot of years.
> >   I used to make my own cleaning stuff from grain alcohol, but
> selling it
> is outlawed in Pennsylvania unless you go through a big hassle.
> >   Do any of you know how I can get some?
> >    Or, if you have another solution (pun intended).
> >     I do not have a cleaning machine, so perhaps you can enlighten me on
> that score ie: vs hand cleaning records.
> >    thanks
> >     for any help
> > bob
> >
> >
> > bob charlanza
> > 610.775.9354 wknds
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 10 12:55:49 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:55:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A - Lady on the board????
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEHICDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000801c4666c$75f66680$61894c51@oemcomputer>

Only at weekends, darling -  that's when the skirts come out!

Gertrude

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Stan Targowski
> Sent: 10 July 2004 01:15
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A - Lady on the board????
>
>
> Dig it out please ... Lady on the board, this is a new one ... Sure it was
> not Graham?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:27 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
>
>
> I hear you.  I wouldn't mind just sending it in for a tune-up with
> mechanical alignment and electrical tuning and though should only
> cost $150.
>
> There was a lady on this board whom I contacted some months ago
> and gave me
> the name of a 'cassette specialist' who worked for Nakamichi in
> California.
>
> If I can dig it up, I'll post it.  She told me about having belts replaced
> and some minor part, with complete tuning, the bill was only $130.
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 12:53:24 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> > Yes. ES Labs don't simply fix the problem. They want to
> overhaul the whole
> > machine in order to guarantee their job. I understand that, but
> in most of
> > the cases is simply un-practical and make no sense. Otherwise,
> they are a
> > superb service shop, but not for my own needs ... unfortunately.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I placed a
> > 'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The price I was given
> for
> > an overhaul was astronomical.  Full overhaul was like $1000 and
> they would
> > sell me the remote for $100 new and they would look for a door cover.
> > >
> > > ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty much
> > needing a complete overhaul.
> > >
> > > On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's
> were 30lbs.
> > of complex mechanical Esherism.
> > >
> > > It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30%
> > improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
> > >
> > > There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks
> and
> > the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > Date: 2004/07/08 Thu PM 01:21:10 EDT
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > > Luck is a very part of it, plus the 1000 ZXL is a much more complex
> > machine
> > > > with older technology.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Amazing Carlos!
> > > > >
> > > > > My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was
> > acquired
> > > > > in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3
> days, and
> > after
> > > > > "My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless!
> How a an more
> > > > > expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant
> price for
> > enjoy
> > > > > again???, I really can't understand that!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > ALEX!
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess the final word on this situation can be summed
> up with the
> > well
> > > > > worn
> > > > > > saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2
> > years
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the
> original
> > > > carton
> > > > > > >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he
> said, but, it
> > > > required
> > > > > > >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody
> could fix her
> > > > > > >completely.
> > > > > > >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her
> back
> > to
> > > > > > >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go
> figures
> > !
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gerry:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is
> in
> > > > > > >possession
> > > > > > > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay
> more than 3-4
> > > > hundred
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used
> for
> > > > years
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > the death knell for these things.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my
> > wife....I
> > > > put
> > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and
> the factory
> > box.
> > > > > > > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to
> > give
> > > > > myself
> > > > > > >an
> > > > > > > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring
> the deck up
> to
> > > > > > >original
> > > > > > > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were
> n/g,
> > four
> > > > > > >heads
> > > > > > > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop
> was
> > the
> > > > > > >Teac
> > > > > > > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my
> work
> > on
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used
> require work and
> > $$$$$
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic
> > component of
> > > > > > >this
> > > > > > > > age and dollar amount.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a
> stored deck
> > left
> > > > > idle
> > > > > > > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase.
> > Assuming it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and
> > humidity
> > > > > > >,it
> > > > > > > > >would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile
> before
> > any
> > > > > > > > >assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >thank you very much,
> > > > > > > > >gerald
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jul 10 17:31:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:31:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
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That would be helpful, though.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A


> I hear you.  I wouldn't mind just sending it in for a tune-up with
mechanical alignment and electrical tuning and though should only cost $150.
>
> There was a lady on this board whom I contacted some months ago and gave
me the name of a 'cassette specialist' who worked for Nakamichi in
California.
>
> If I can dig it up, I'll post it.  She told me about having belts replaced
and some minor part, with complete tuning, the bill was only $130.
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 12:53:24 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> > Yes. ES Labs don't simply fix the problem. They want to overhaul the
whole
> > machine in order to guarantee their job. I understand that, but in most
of
> > the cases is simply un-practical and make no sense. Otherwise, they are
a
> > superb service shop, but not for my own needs ... unfortunately.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I placed a
> > 'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The price I was given
for
> > an overhaul was astronomical.  Full overhaul was like $1000 and they
would
> > sell me the remote for $100 new and they would look for a door cover.
> > >
> > > ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty much
> > needing a complete overhaul.
> > >
> > > On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were
30lbs.
> > of complex mechanical Esherism.
> > >
> > > It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30%
> > improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
> > >
> > > There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks
and
> > the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > Date: 2004/07/08 Thu PM 01:21:10 EDT
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > > Luck is a very part of it, plus the 1000 ZXL is a much more complex
> > machine
> > > > with older technology.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Amazing Carlos!
> > > > >
> > > > > My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was
> > acquired
> > > > > in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3 days,
and
> > after
> > > > > "My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless! How a an
more
> > > > > expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant price
for
> > enjoy
> > > > > again???, I really can't understand that!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > ALEX!
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with
the
> > well
> > > > > worn
> > > > > > saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
<naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2
> > years
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the
original
> > > > carton
> > > > > > >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but,
it
> > > > required
> > > > > > >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix
her
> > > > > > >completely.
> > > > > > >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her
back
> > to
> > > > > > >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go
figures
> > !
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gerry:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is
in
> > > > > > >possession
> > > > > > > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than
3-4
> > > > hundred
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used
for
> > > > years
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > the death knell for these things.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my
> > wife....I
> > > > put
> > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the
factory
> > box.
> > > > > > > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to
> > give
> > > > > myself
> > > > > > >an
> > > > > > > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck
up to
> > > > > > >original
> > > > > > > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were
n/g,
> > four
> > > > > > >heads
> > > > > > > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop
was
> > the
> > > > > > >Teac
> > > > > > > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my
work
> > on
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work
and
> > $$$$$
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic
> > component of
> > > > > > >this
> > > > > > > > age and dollar amount.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored
deck
> > left
> > > > > idle
> > > > > > > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase.
> > Assuming it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and
> > humidity
> > > > > > >,it
> > > > > > > > >would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile
before
> > any
> > > > > > > > >assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >thank you very much,
> > > > > > > > >gerald
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jul 10 17:32:45 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:32:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A - Lady on the board????
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFKEHICDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003201c46693$268fcb00$0f773242@CopyTech>

Ha,ha,ha, !!!! Poor Gra' !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A - Lady on the board????


> Dig it out please ... Lady on the board, this is a new one ... Sure it was
> not Graham?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:27 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
>
>
> I hear you.  I wouldn't mind just sending it in for a tune-up with
> mechanical alignment and electrical tuning and though should only cost
$150.
>
> There was a lady on this board whom I contacted some months ago and gave
me
> the name of a 'cassette specialist' who worked for Nakamichi in
California.
>
> If I can dig it up, I'll post it.  She told me about having belts replaced
> and some minor part, with complete tuning, the bill was only $130.
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 12:53:24 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> > Yes. ES Labs don't simply fix the problem. They want to overhaul the
whole
> > machine in order to guarantee their job. I understand that, but in most
of
> > the cases is simply un-practical and make no sense. Otherwise, they are
a
> > superb service shop, but not for my own needs ... unfortunately.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I placed a
> > 'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The price I was given
> for
> > an overhaul was astronomical.  Full overhaul was like $1000 and they
would
> > sell me the remote for $100 new and they would look for a door cover.
> > >
> > > ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty much
> > needing a complete overhaul.
> > >
> > > On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were
30lbs.
> > of complex mechanical Esherism.
> > >
> > > It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30%
> > improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
> > >
> > > There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks
> and
> > the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > Date: 2004/07/08 Thu PM 01:21:10 EDT
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > > Luck is a very part of it, plus the 1000 ZXL is a much more complex
> > machine
> > > > with older technology.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Amazing Carlos!
> > > > >
> > > > > My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was
> > acquired
> > > > > in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3 days,
and
> > after
> > > > > "My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless! How a an
more
> > > > > expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant price
for
> > enjoy
> > > > > again???, I really can't understand that!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > ALEX!
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with
the
> > well
> > > > > worn
> > > > > > saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
<naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2
> > years
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the
> original
> > > > carton
> > > > > > >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but,
it
> > > > required
> > > > > > >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix
her
> > > > > > >completely.
> > > > > > >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her
> back
> > to
> > > > > > >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go
> figures
> > !
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gerry:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is
> in
> > > > > > >possession
> > > > > > > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than
3-4
> > > > hundred
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used
> for
> > > > years
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > the death knell for these things.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my
> > wife....I
> > > > put
> > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the
factory
> > box.
> > > > > > > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to
> > give
> > > > > myself
> > > > > > >an
> > > > > > > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck
up
> to
> > > > > > >original
> > > > > > > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were
> n/g,
> > four
> > > > > > >heads
> > > > > > > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop
> was
> > the
> > > > > > >Teac
> > > > > > > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my
> work
> > on
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work
and
> > $$$$$
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic
> > component of
> > > > > > >this
> > > > > > > > age and dollar amount.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored
deck
> > left
> > > > > idle
> > > > > > > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase.
> > Assuming it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and
> > humidity
> > > > > > >,it
> > > > > > > > >would still be better to check it and run it  for awhile
> before
> > any
> > > > > > > > >assumption is made that  it is in perfect working order.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >thank you very much,
> > > > > > > > >gerald
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Jul 10 18:01:14 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:01:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Potpourri (The Dragon & The Flower)
References: <200407092251.i69MpoUq000882@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <016201c46697$21208250$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Digging through the internet last evening, this is what I found.......

http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/
Apparently this valuation table has been updated recently, I like what I see in regards to the value of my Nak gear collection :-}}


Nakamichi (essential info)
Japanese manufacturer, originally founded in 1948 by Etsuro Nakamichi (affectionally known as "the Dragon") and later headed by his sons (the famous Nakamichi brothers, Ted and Niro), originally set up to act as an manufacturer of electric household products but quickly became known as a developer and later manufacturer of quality audio products, in particular their cassette desks where well known but in fact the company also made some spectacular other products and managed to ammass a brand loyality second to none. Today they are more geared toward high quality "lifestyle" systems" a la Bang & Olufsen, but hey also manufacture a range of CD changers available for Hi-fi, computer or car audio use and indeed have a big in-car audio range, unusually enough parts of that range are designed and built in the USA, company went into bankrupcy protection in 2002 but seems to have re-emerged after a reorganisation. Niro Nakamichi, one of the Nakamichi brothers and the principal designer of the company during their golden era left the corp. in 1998 to set up Mechanical Research Corp.. For background information and info on their older products you could also wisit the Nakmichi Club of Japan. Official homepage. Nakamichi America Corporation


Another curious Nakamichi website......

http://www.ikuyo-nakamichi.com/e_profile.html
Anyone listened to the music of Ikuyo Nakamichi?????


All for now, its been a busy summer for me.  Here's hoping all my Nak friends are doing all right.

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W

kjbleus at charter.net

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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Sat Jul 10 19:07:26 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:07:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Potpourri (The Dragon & The Flower)
In-Reply-To: <016201c46697$21208250$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
References: <200407092251.i69MpoUq000882@zebra.naks.com>
	<016201c46697$21208250$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040710125243.0215d2f0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 12:01 2004/07/10, you wrote:
>Digging through the internet last evening, this is what I found.......
>
><http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/>http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/
>Apparently this valuation table has been updated recently, I like what I 
>see in regards to the value of my Nak gear collection :-}}
>
>
>Nakamichi (essential info)
>Japanese manufacturer, originally founded in 1948 by Etsuro Nakamichi 
>(affectionally known as "the Dragon") and later headed by his sons (the 
>famous Nakamichi brothers, Ted and Niro), originally set up to act as an 
>manufacturer of electric household products but quickly became known as a 
>developer and later manufacturer of quality audio products, in particular 
>their cassette desks where well known but in fact the company also made 
>some spectacular other products and managed to ammass a brand loyality 
>second to none. Today they are more geared toward high quality "lifestyle" 
>systems" a la <http://audiotools.com/b.html#bogo>Bang & Olufsen, but hey 
>also manufacture a range of CD changers available for Hi-fi, computer or 
>car audio use and indeed have a big in-car audio range, unusually enough 
>parts of that range are designed and built in the USA, company went into 
>bankrupcy protection in 2002 but seems to have re-emerged after a 
>reorganisation. Niro Nakamichi, one of the Nakamichi brothers and the 
>principal designer of the company during their golden era left the corp. 
>in 1998 to set up <http://audiotools.com/m.html#niro>Mechanical Research 
>Corp.. For background information and info on their older products you 
>could also wisit the 
><http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak.html>Nakmichi Club of Japan. 
><http://www.nakamichi.co.jp/>Official homepage. 
><http://www.nakamichi.com/>Nakamichi America Corporation
>
>Another curious Nakamichi website......
>
><http://www.ikuyo-nakamichi.com/e_profile.html>http://www.ikuyo-nakamichi.com/e_profile.html
>Anyone listened to the music of Ikuyo Nakamichi?????
>
>
>All for now, its been a busy summer for me.  Here's hoping all my Nak 
>friends are doing all right.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bleus de Nakker
>Madison, Wisc USA
>Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W
>
><mailto:kjbleus at charter.net>kjbleus at charter.net
>

Hi Bleus,

Nice to hear from you.

To the best of my knowledge, Ted Nakamichi is Niro's son, not his brother. 
Niro's brother, Osamu, was president of Nakamichi America for some time in 
the nineties.

Regards,

-Marc




From amugisha at sprint.ca  Sat Jul 10 13:35:38 2004
From: amugisha at sprint.ca (Andrew Mugisha)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:35:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
References: <20040709121251.96543.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015901c46672$069d6620$4d9b6395@homeandrew>

Maxell XLII-S 90 worked for me. I recorded most of my 200+ tapes in the 80s
on Marantz and TEAC decks on an audiophile rig. I used a lot of TDK SA as it
was supposed to be 'easy' on the heads. Now I mostly play on NAK CR 3A (a
nightmare for reliability) and Kenwood 6030. Of all the different type tapes
I have however I always take notice when I pop a Scotch XSM IV metal tape
(into any dec) which I thought was cheap metal back then (should have bought
a ton ).

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lorne Spry" <lornespry at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:12 AM
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES


> naktalk at naks.com
>
> gerald  wrote:
>
> [SNIP. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone
> has any
> comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90
> 3)MAXell XLII-S 100
> 4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony
> HF-S 60 8)TRIAD EM-X
> 90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been
> discussed and are in the
> archives,and are on on some of the tape sites[SNIP]
>
> MAXELL XLII-S is an excellent Type II tape. When the
> marketing strategy that is already at least two years
> old hits the rest of the planet, this tape stock will
> be better than anything new available in terms of
> dynamic range. Later emulsion formulae may have
> improved the noise factor, but at what cost to dynamic
> range, if any, is beyond my scope on things. And I do
> say 'MAY have improved'.
>
> Normally speaking, and according to an ex-student of
> mine who is a Sony engineer, cassettes containing over
> 74 minutes should be considered carefully because the
> thickness of the tape is often reduced. Serveral
> problems can occur including stretching, and maybe
> bleed through signal. That being said, I never found
> any problem with XLS-S 100.
>
> I have some of these tapes which I bought in Japan
> some eight or so years ago, and I am saving them for
> special projects along with the last TDK AD-2 I found
> available and almost any high quality Type II tape
> from some years before now.
>
> Incidently TDK-2 was THE LAST tape sold here in Sendai
> which carried some specifications on the wrapper. Not
> a single remaining tape still manufactured and sold at
> Sendai's largest electronics dealer carries any
> technical data on the wrapper except for the type and
> bias - normal or high. A search on the net for Sony
> specs (among others) produced no specs whatsoever.
>
> Get the message, ladies and gentlemen on the Nak-list
> - THE INDUSTRY WANTS TO DROP YOU OFF! NOW! It has not
> the slightest interest in producing this medium for
> the relatively few who remain using it. It will up up
> to third party ventures to broker  the production
> facilities and create a retro-market - IF the big
> companies will even allow it. Once cassette tape is
> seen as a niche market for apparent antiquarians as
> opposed to a distraction from DVD and CD recorder
> sales,  the road will be open. Until then hang onto to
> good stock.
>
> As we all have observed, retro-markets have already
> stimulated new production of vacuum tubes, cloth
> covered wire and other stuff which many assumed had
> passed into obsolescence and history . If this does
> not happen to tape as well, eventually (very soon) we
> will be left with mediocre tape, which while being
> perhaps more quiet than tape of say 15-20 years ago,
> is less able to entertain.
>
> Lorne in Sendai Japan
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Jul 10 14:39:40 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 8:39:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
Message-ID: <20040710123940.XFCJ9233.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

I wonder how they know?

> We chemists call it heat of hydration.
> Good luck,
> Dean
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bobobozo at netzero.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:07 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
> 
> 
> >
> > I figure a lot of you guys -- like myself -- have been taping records for
> a lot of years.
> >   I used to make my own cleaning stuff from grain alcohol, but selling it
> is outlawed in Pennsylvania unless you go through a big hassle.
> >   Do any of you know how I can get some?
> >    Or, if you have another solution (pun intended).
> >     I do not have a cleaning machine, so perhaps you can enlighten me on
> that score ie: vs hand cleaning records.
> >    thanks
> >     for any help
> > bob
> >
> >
> > bob charlanza
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From amugisha at sprint.ca  Sat Jul 10 13:07:45 2004
From: amugisha at sprint.ca (Andrew Mugisha)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:07:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
References: <BAY2-F25qoMIOGCvqQ7000233bb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <010501c4666e$21d7e810$4d9b6395@homeandrew>

I have tried lens spray cleaner on vinyl and wow - it works great.  In a
pump spray bottle - just sprayed and wiped with a soft lint free cloth.
Funny thing is it was not that good on eye glasses so I use this bottle on
every old record I pull out. It maybe an expensive way if you want to clean
loads of vinyl

The bottle I have is by CLAIRNETT made out here in Canada- do not know if
available in US but I am sure there are equivalents. It says:

Lens Cleaner
anti-reflection
anti static
recommended especially for all anti reflection plastic and glass lenses
computer screens,cameras, compact discs (never tried),

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] vinyl question


> Bob:
>
> Contact Harry Weisfield at VPI Industries. They are located in Cliffwood,
> New Jersey.
>
> I have been a user of VPI cleaning machines for over 20 years, and have
had
> excellent results with the "secret potion" he sells for the machines!
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: "bobobozo at netzero.com" <bobobozo at netzero.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] vinyl question
> >Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:07:42 GMT
> >
> >
> >I figure a lot of you guys -- like myself -- have been taping records for
a
> >lot of years.
> >   I used to make my own cleaning stuff from grain alcohol, but selling
it
> >is outlawed in Pennsylvania unless you go through a big hassle.
> >   Do any of you know how I can get some?
> >    Or, if you have another solution (pun intended).
> >     I do not have a cleaning machine, so perhaps you can enlighten me on
> >that score ie: vs hand cleaning records.
> >    thanks
> >     for any help
> >bob
> >
> >
> >bob charlanza
> >610.775.9354 wknds
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Jul 10 14:41:05 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 8:41:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A - Lady on the board????
Message-ID: <20040710124105.JZSM29176.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Stan,

If you go to the naks.com page, I either found her name under the 'read' secton or the archives.  I'll try and find the name but it's on my PC.  I use my laptop 99% of the time.


> 
> From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 08:15:23 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A - Lady on the board????
> 
> Dig it out please ... Lady on the board, this is a new one ... Sure it was
> not Graham?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:27 AM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> 
> 
> I hear you.  I wouldn't mind just sending it in for a tune-up with
> mechanical alignment and electrical tuning and though should only cost $150.
> 
> There was a lady on this board whom I contacted some months ago and gave me
> the name of a 'cassette specialist' who worked for Nakamichi in California.
> 
> If I can dig it up, I'll post it.  She told me about having belts replaced
> and some minor part, with complete tuning, the bill was only $130.
> 
> 
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 12:53:24 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> > Yes. ES Labs don't simply fix the problem. They want to overhaul the whole
> > machine in order to guarantee their job. I understand that, but in most of
> > the cases is simply un-practical and make no sense. Otherwise, they are a
> > superb service shop, but not for my own needs ... unfortunately.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> >
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > I have to back up what you say.  ES Labs contacted me when I placed a
> > 'wanted' ad for a remote and a front door cover.  The price I was given
> for
> > an overhaul was astronomical.  Full overhaul was like $1000 and they would
> > sell me the remote for $100 new and they would look for a door cover.
> > >
> > > ES Labs is probably a very good choice for decks that are pretty much
> > needing a complete overhaul.
> > >
> > > On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's were 30lbs.
> > of complex mechanical Esherism.
> > >
> > > It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will be a 30%
> > improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
> > >
> > > There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all own Naks
> and
> > the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a Dragon.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > Date: 2004/07/08 Thu PM 01:21:10 EDT
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > > Luck is a very part of it, plus the 1000 ZXL is a much more complex
> > machine
> > > > with older technology.
> > > >
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Amazing Carlos!
> > > > >
> > > > > My gifted Dragon, really play one 90 minutes SA cassette when was
> > acquired
> > > > > in 1984, and after so boxed for 20 years, I plug on for 3 days, and
> > after
> > > > > "My Heart full Treatment"...works till today flawless! How a an more
> > > > > expensive Nak as the 1000ZXL...was needed a an exorbitant price for
> > enjoy
> > > > > again???, I really can't understand that!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > ALEX!
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:39 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess the final word on this situation can be summed up with the
> > well
> > > > > worn
> > > > > > saying: "All that glitters is not gold!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > Waiting for the next brown out here in NYC!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:41 -0700
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >You got a point here, Neil. I bought "an almost new" 1000 ZXL 2
> > years
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >for  peanuts. It was from an estate sale and the seller claimed
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > >deck necer played a full C-90 tape and that it was in the
> original
> > > > carton
> > > > > > >inside a closset for almost 10 years. It was as he said, but, it
> > > > required
> > > > > > >more than $800.00 just to make her play and nobody could fix her
> > > > > > >completely.
> > > > > > >The last quote from ES Labs was for $2,000 in order to get her
> back
> > to
> > > > > > >specs. And this was suppose to be a "like new" deck ... go
> figures
> > !
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Carlos
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:59 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gerry:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think you are wasting your breath..Steve thinks that he is
> in
> > > > > > >possession
> > > > > > > > of the holy grail...anyone stupid enough to pay more than 3-4
> > > > hundred
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > crazy...especially in light of the fact that sitting un-used
> for
> > > > years
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > the death knell for these things.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A good example is my Teac X2000R..I baby it like I do my
> > wife....I
> > > > put
> > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > > away for a few years in a plastic storage bag and the factory
> > box.
> > > > > > > > I went to use it this past December...guess what ...I had to
> > give
> > > > > myself
> > > > > > >an
> > > > > > > > early Christmas gift...like 700.00 bucks to bring the deck up
> to
> > > > > > >original
> > > > > > > > spec...the belt needed to be replaced, pinch roller's were
> n/g,
> > four
> > > > > > >heads
> > > > > > > > were changed, a complete lube and re-calibration... The shop
> was
> > the
> > > > > > >Teac
> > > > > > > > service center here in New Jersey..they have always done my
> work
> > on
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > Teac's...they told me decks that are not used require work and
> > $$$$$
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bring them back...I would never purchase any electronic
> > component of
> > > > > > >this
> > > > > > > > age and dollar amount.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I continue to use my 505 at least a few times per month.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:49:14 -0500
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Hi Steve.Be aware that bad things may happen to a stored deck
> > left
> > > > > idle
> > > > > > > > >for all this time which has elapsed since its purchase.
> > Assuming it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > >stored in an ideal environment free of dirt,dust ,heat and
> > humidity
> > > > > > >,it
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> before
> > any
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> > > > > > > > >
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From britri at comcast.net  Sat Jul 10 16:36:34 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:36:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
References: <20040708154458.HWXL5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Jul 10 19:24:12 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:24:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Potpourri (The Dragon & The Flower)
Message-ID: <20040710172414.PJVV5935.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

KJ Bleus, awesome post!  Thank you and going to bookmark those sites right away.

Roland


> 
> From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> Date: 2004/07/10 Sat PM 12:01:14 EDT
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Potpourri (The Dragon & The Flower)
> 
> Digging through the internet last evening, this is what I found.......
> 
> http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/
> Apparently this valuation table has been updated recently, I like what I see in regards to the value of my Nak gear collection :-}}
> 
> 
> Nakamichi (essential info)
> Japanese manufacturer, originally founded in 1948 by Etsuro Nakamichi (affectionally known as "the Dragon") and later headed by his sons (the famous Nakamichi brothers, Ted and Niro), originally set up to act as an manufacturer of electric household products but quickly became known as a developer and later manufacturer of quality audio products, in particular their cassette desks where well known but in fact the company also made some spectacular other products and managed to ammass a brand loyality second to none. Today they are more geared toward high quality "lifestyle" systems" a la Bang & Olufsen, but hey also manufacture a range of CD changers available for Hi-fi, computer or car audio use and indeed have a big in-car audio range, unusually enough parts of that range are designed and built in the USA, company went into bankrupcy protection in 2002 but seems to have re-emerged after a reorganisation. Niro Nakamichi, one of the Nakamichi brothers and the principal designer of the company during their golden era left the corp. in 1998 to set up Mechanical Research Corp.. For background information and info on their older products you could also wisit the Nakmichi Club of Japan. Official homepage. Nakamichi America Corporation
> 
> 
> Another curious Nakamichi website......
> 
> http://www.ikuyo-nakamichi.com/e_profile.html
> Anyone listened to the music of Ikuyo Nakamichi?????
> 
> 
> All for now, its been a busy summer for me.  Here's hoping all my Nak friends are doing all right.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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From Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu  Sat Jul 10 20:14:55 2004
From: Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu (Fred Lifton)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:14:55 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Jul 10 19:34:10 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:34:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Potpourri (The Dragon & The Flower)
Message-ID: <20040710173410.OMSM26998.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Gee, after looking at the site I'm a little disappointed.

No CR-7A listing


> 
> From: "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net>
> Date: 2004/07/10 Sat PM 12:01:14 EDT
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Potpourri (The Dragon & The Flower)
> 
> Digging through the internet last evening, this is what I found.......
> 
> http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/
> Apparently this valuation table has been updated recently, I like what I see in regards to the value of my Nak gear collection :-}}
> 
> 
> Nakamichi (essential info)
> Japanese manufacturer, originally founded in 1948 by Etsuro Nakamichi (affectionally known as "the Dragon") and later headed by his sons (the famous Nakamichi brothers, Ted and Niro), originally set up to act as an manufacturer of electric household products but quickly became known as a developer and later manufacturer of quality audio products, in particular their cassette desks where well known but in fact the company also made some spectacular other products and managed to ammass a brand loyality second to none. Today they are more geared toward high quality "lifestyle" systems" a la Bang & Olufsen, but hey also manufacture a range of CD changers available for Hi-fi, computer or car audio use and indeed have a big in-car audio range, unusually enough parts of that range are designed and built in the USA, company went into bankrupcy protection in 2002 but seems to have re-emerged after a reorganisation. Niro Nakamichi, one of the Nakamichi brothers and the principal designer of the company during their golden era left the corp. in 1998 to set up Mechanical Research Corp.. For background information and info on their older products you could also wisit the Nakmichi Club of Japan. Official homepage. Nakamichi America Corporation
> 
> 
> Another curious Nakamichi website......
> 
> http://www.ikuyo-nakamichi.com/e_profile.html
> Anyone listened to the music of Ikuyo Nakamichi?????
> 
> 
> All for now, its been a busy summer for me.  Here's hoping all my Nak friends are doing all right.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> Madison, Wisc USA
> Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W
> 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Jul 10 21:18:23 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:18:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] New CR-7A
Message-ID: <16c7f5a16c80af.16c80af16c7f5a@vsnl.net>

Just because DVD players cost about 30 bucks here in FRy' electronics store does not mean the value of Dragon can go down or for that matter 1000ZXL. Thes are magnificent machines - made with very good Engineering Design ,good amount of material of value going in to them. I would pay 500$ for dragon without blinking -
CR 7A is equally an important Nak and worth the money.
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: rjlbjk at cox.net
Date: Friday, July 9, 2004 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A

> Derrick,
> 
> I might have given the wrong tone to my message. 
> 
> I'm in complete agreement with you.
> 
> 
> > 
> > From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> > Date: 2004/07/09 Fri AM 09:15:17 EDT
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] New CR-7A
> > 
> > Yea, but I have two Mitsubishi VCRs from the mid/late-80s that 
> are still 
> > going strong while I've had Panasonic some other garbage as 
> bedroom VCRs 
> > break after a few hours of play.  There's only so cheap 
> something can be 
> > and still be "good".
> > 
> > I'd still pay $500 for a new Dragon, no doubt.
> > 
> > 
> > >On the topic of older technology, we all remember when VCR's 
> were 30lbs. 
> > >of complex mechanical Esherism.
> > >
> > >It's like my post of two days ago, technology says there will 
> be a 30% 
> > >improvement every year while dropping 20% in price.
> > >
> > >There is a romance with older equipment and that's why we all 
> own Naks and 
> > >the like.  We might even scoff at a $500 new equivalent of a 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Jul 10 13:25:43 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:25:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TAPES;Neil
Message-ID: <s0f1136b.027@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Neil,

That's was indeed a fine and unusual tape.  A metal formula of very high coercivity requiring relatively low rec head currents.  12VA would apparently get the job done, making this a metal that we could use on decks like the 700TT - and still get the benefits of a type IV.  Just too cool!!!

What a pity TDK stopped making it.....

Cheers,

MH

>>> neillipes628 at hotmail.com 07/09/04 03:19PM >>>
To me folks..the greatest tape of all time was the now long nla..HX-S!


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] TAPES
>Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:19:47 +0200
>
>Hello Donald!
>
>Be very confidently...with my free gifted Dragon, was included 12 cassettes
>TDK SA-X-100, and till today I use 3 of them and really I completely agree
>with you! My received ones were "Shell" made in US, tape in Japan, and was
>obtained trough US dealer...20 years ago!!!
>
>Be 100% happy with them!!!
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Donald Sangster" <donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] TAPES
>
>
> > Hi y'all
> >
> > TDK's SA - X's are excellent 70 uS tapes, the bigger brother of SA's. 
>The
> > Maxell XLII's are similar.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Donald
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:41 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] TAPES
> >
> >
> > > I was recently going through my stock of tapes for recording,which are
> > > nearly all Maxell type II's with some TDK SA's also,when i found a few
> > > odd cassettes. i wou;ld like to mention these to see if anyone has any
> > > comments on them.1)DENON HD-8 60 2) MAXELL UDII 90 3)MAXell XLII-S 100
> > > 4)TDK SA-X 100 5)SONYUX-PRO90 6) TDK SD 90 7) Sony HF-S 60 8)TRIAD 
>EM-X
> > > 90.I know some of these,if not all ,have been discussed and are in the
> > > archives,and are on on some of the tape sites listed by naktalkers,but 
>i
> > > thought it may be fun to review their relative merits/deficiencies
> > >
> > > thank you very much,
> > > gerald
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Jul 10 13:18:38 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:18:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UR
Message-ID: <s0f11360.022@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Bob,

I would not use standard type Is for critical music recordings.  Maxell UR specs are Max Bass/Mid Level +2.7dB; Max Treble Level +3.3dB, a dynamic range of 54.9dB.  UR has a -5.2dB SAT 10kHz figure.  (The point at which treble overloads.)  This indicates, in short, a somewhat dull sounding ferric with limited headroom and not terribly quiet either.  In it's favour, it has a reliable mechanism and is very durable.

You can use type Is for critical recordings, but as a minimum you should be looking at TDK AD and AR, BASF Ferro Maxima and Maxell UD-1.  Using the Maxell UD-1 as an example, this has a 10kHz SAT figure of +2.5dB!!  Rather good.  This will result in a very fresh, clean sound with no audible distortion provided your level peaks stay below this number.

The high-end type Is from a decade or more ago, such as Maxell XLI and XLI-S, TDK AD-X and AR-X and Sony HFS and HF-ES, are no longer made.   You might be lucky and find the odd one going on e-bay.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> bobobozo at netzero.com 07/09/04 03:10AM >>>

 I just upon a chache of Maxell UR (120 bias) that are selling for $4 for a pack of seven (90 mins.). 
  I am making some not critical vocal tapes for the car.
  I have used Maxell high bias most of my life, but now am curious if I should consider buying more of these URs for critical recordings.
   Any notions?
  thanks
    bob


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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Jul 11 11:36:09 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:36:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
Message-ID: <s0f12640.009@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Fred,

I think the death of cassette has, in some ways already happened (insofar as the major manufacturers are not handling it (the manufacture of decks and tapes) as a growth or development area.  However, it's ultimate demise has basically gone as far as it's going to go and thus rumours of it's death are grossly exaggerated.    There's still money being made on some basic cassette machines and the sale of basic ferric and chrome cassettes.  No R+D means it costs very little to carry on doing that.

It all started happening in the early nineties when cassette deck manufacturers were exasperated with the cassette deck market.  Despite minidisc and DCC being available (and energetically marketing), it just refused to die.  They wanted to kill the medium because they could not make money out of selling a minimal amount of machines every year and the better machines just didn't break very often.  Just to stay competitive, manufacturers made sure their decks sounded extremely good, were simple to use and contained many operating conveniences.  Think of things such as CD Synchro recording, time balance/elapsed counters, system remote control, timer recording, auto calibration, Dolby S NR, auto-reverse systems and even noise reduction in the digital domain.  

The same hardware manufacturers came up with DCC and Minidisc to try to ween people off analogue with anti-cassette recording epithets like "horrible", "noisy", "clunky"' and just simply "old" (always a useful rallying call when trying to seduce younger buyers). The audio magazines who accepted the advertising of the hardware companies became part of the propaganda campaign!!  Mind you, if you remember (and it continues to this day) manufacturers and their advertising execs are obsessed with the work "digital".  Even your microwave is digital (yup, the timer....), the food processor etc.  Samsung and LG never miss an opportunity to tell you that their goodies work on binary only.

With the advent of the CD player in the home and the CD front loader/shuttle in cars, the raison d'etre of a recording medium was disappearing.  No longer was there a need to record a reference tape from a pristine LP to protect it from wear and tear.  The CD could be played at home, time without number.  No longer was there a need to record tapes for the car, because you could load 6-12 of the little silver discs into your shuttle.  So, in a way, this put paid to the need to record, per se.  With any medium (be it MD, DCC or CD-R).

I'm talking about the rank and file chap in the street.  Not the enthusiast such as ourselves who recognised the ease of assembling cassette based compliations, preferred the more realistic analogue dynamics and warmth etc.

However, I don't think it will go the way of the 8-track.  The sheer numbers sold of the format will see to its survival for one purpose or another.  It remains easy to use, capable of astonishing fidelity in the right machines, light, portable and inexpensive.  

I like technology, but so much of it is superfluous.  I, for one, will not be buying an i-Pod.  It's just another think to dust, insure, get knocked over or develop a virus (not to mention that bane of music in this age of high resolution formats like DVD-A and SACD, the data-reduced file).  If I win one, I'll flog it off, quick as a flash to some poor little rich kid's father!! It might look like cake, but it's really rye-vita, and I'm there to cheer them on!!

Have a great Sunday!!

Marc


>>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 07/10/04 08:14PM >>>
Hi all,
boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported the other
day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track? Strangely, the
same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low prices for
formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?

Fred
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From msyoder at border.net  Sun Jul 11 14:05:16 2004
From: msyoder at border.net (Michael S. Yoder)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:05:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Death of Cassette?
Message-ID: <003a01c4673f$598e11e0$2db1d7a8@jnorris.ttu.edu>

I went to the local Toyota dealership to look at the brand new 2004 basic
Tacoma pickup truck, and found that the sound system that comes with the
option package has radio and cassette, not CD.  I'm not sure what kind of
sign this is, or what the company's marketing people are thinking.

For what it's worth. . . .

Michael

>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:36:09 +0200
>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>Message-ID: <s0f12640.009 at mroute.sunint.co.za>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi Fred,
>
>I think the death of cassette has, in some ways already happened (insofar
as the major manufacturers are not handling it (the manufacture of decks and
tapes) as a growth or development area.  However, it's ultimate demise has
basically gone as far as it's going to go and thus rumours of it's death are
grossly exaggerated.    There's still money being made on some basic
cassette machines and the sale of basic ferric and chrome cassettes.  No R+D
means it costs very little to carry on doing that.




From britri at comcast.net  Sun Jul 11 17:27:01 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <24369862@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
Message-ID: <40F15C45.2010501@comcast.net>

This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk 
members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the 
1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by 
side.  Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it 
would appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of 
getting a matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after 
 >25 years and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).

Brian

Fred Lifton wrote:

>Hi all,
>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported the other
>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track? Strangely, the
>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low prices for
>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 11 18:47:40 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:47:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Death of Cassette?
In-Reply-To: <003a01c4673f$598e11e0$2db1d7a8@jnorris.ttu.edu>
Message-ID: <000001c46766$c7831c00$c0834c51@oemcomputer>

Michael

Funny you should mention that but a friend of mine recently bought a top of
range state of the art in-car navigation system which came complete with ...
you guessed it, a cassette player!  She was mortified!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael S. Yoder
> Sent: 11 July 2004 13:05
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Death of Cassette?
>
>
> I went to the local Toyota dealership to look at the brand new 2004 basic
> Tacoma pickup truck, and found that the sound system that comes with the
> option package has radio and cassette, not CD.  I'm not sure what kind of
> sign this is, or what the company's marketing people are thinking.
>
> For what it's worth. . . .
>
> Michael
>
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:36:09 +0200
> >From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Message-ID: <s0f12640.009 at mroute.sunint.co.za>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> >Hi Fred,
> >
> >I think the death of cassette has, in some ways already happened (insofar
> as the major manufacturers are not handling it (the manufacture
> of decks and
> tapes) as a growth or development area.  However, it's ultimate demise has
> basically gone as far as it's going to go and thus rumours of
> it's death are
> grossly exaggerated.    There's still money being made on some basic
> cassette machines and the sale of basic ferric and chrome
> cassettes.  No R+D
> means it costs very little to carry on doing that.
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 11 18:47:42 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:47:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
In-Reply-To: <40F15C45.2010501@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000101c46766$c8c07e00$c0834c51@oemcomputer>

Ron, remind me - which model of Tandberg is that?

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Brian Stocker
> Sent: 11 July 2004 16:27
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> 
> 
> This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk 
> members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the 
> 1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by 
> side.  Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it 
> would appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of 
> getting a matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after 
>  >25 years and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> 
> Brian
> 
> Fred Lifton wrote:
> 
> >Hi all,
> >boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR 
> reported the other
> >day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track? 
> Strangely, the
> >same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low 
> prices for
> >formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> >
> >Fred
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sun Jul 11 19:25:45 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:25:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
In-Reply-To: <000101c46766$c8c07e00$c0834c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFCEHOCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Tandberg TD-20?

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Nelson
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:48 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


Ron, remind me - which model of Tandberg is that?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Brian Stocker
> Sent: 11 July 2004 16:27
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> 
> 
> This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk 
> members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the 
> 1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by 
> side.  Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it 
> would appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of 
> getting a matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after 
>  >25 years and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> 
> Brian
> 
> Fred Lifton wrote:
> 
> >Hi all,
> >boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR 
> reported the other
> >day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track? 
> Strangely, the
> >same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low 
> prices for
> >formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> >
> >Fred
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 11 19:48:00 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:48:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F39UmpyXiyjckD0004063f@hotmail.com>

In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube Roberts 1040 
from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open reel media 
and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!

Neil


>From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
>
>This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk 
>members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the 
>1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by side.  
>Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it would 
>appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of getting a 
>matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after >25 years 
>and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
>
>Brian
>
>Fred Lifton wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported the 
>>other
>>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track? Strangely, 
>>the
>>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low prices 
>>for
>>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
>>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Jul 11 20:31:38 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:31:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Death of Cassette?
Message-ID: <20040711183137.JVVH25843.lakermmtao10.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Michael, I just got rid of my '98 Tacoma last year.  When it was new, it came with AM/FM/Cassette.  CD was optional and it fit into a slot under the radio.

My wife's 2004 Avalon has AM/FM/CD/Cassette as standard.

The cassette is not dead, one live the cassette!!


> 
> From: "Michael S. Yoder" <msyoder at border.net>
> Date: 2004/07/11 Sun AM 08:05:16 EDT
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Death of Cassette?
> 
> I went to the local Toyota dealership to look at the brand new 2004 basic
> Tacoma pickup truck, and found that the sound system that comes with the
> option package has radio and cassette, not CD.  I'm not sure what kind of
> sign this is, or what the company's marketing people are thinking.
> 
> For what it's worth. . . .
> 
> Michael
> 
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:36:09 +0200
> >From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >To: <Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu>, <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Message-ID: <s0f12640.009 at mroute.sunint.co.za>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> >Hi Fred,
> >
> >I think the death of cassette has, in some ways already happened (insofar
> as the major manufacturers are not handling it (the manufacture of decks and
> tapes) as a growth or development area.  However, it's ultimate demise has
> basically gone as far as it's going to go and thus rumours of it's death are
> grossly exaggerated.    There's still money being made on some basic
> cassette machines and the sale of basic ferric and chrome cassettes.  No R+D
> means it costs very little to carry on doing that.
> 
> 
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From erie at shelbyvilledesign.com  Sun Jul 11 21:37:43 2004
From: erie at shelbyvilledesign.com (erie)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:37:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
Message-ID: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com>

anybody bidding on this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1

erie


From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 22:01:44 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com>
Message-ID: <20040711200144.36035.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>

guys, 
 
         I bought a nak 1000ZXL not too long ago. problem is, its not working. the owner has told me it has been in storage for some time. The unit powers on, but not all the indicators are working. Also, the motors do not seem to be working and thus the deck doesnt respond to any functions. Anyone has any idea what could be the common fault with this deck? I have a hunch the power supply could be out, but I am not too sure yet- i have not opened it up. Judging from its look and weight, I think there should be enough parts to give anyone a fit! Anyone can help please?
 
BG

erie <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com> wrote:
anybody bidding on this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Jul 11 23:01:51 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:01:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] cosmetic parts
Message-ID: <40F1AABF.9030401@xs4all.nl>

Hi All!

There have been several posts on the list about replacement (spare) 
parts like belts that are available online.
I've been thinking about the more hard to get parts, cosmetic parts, 
mechanical parts or ....
Would it be possible to find or produce them ourselves, or have them 
produced? Anyone who has any ideas in this direction?
Stripping a Nak for parts is the last thing most of us want to do i think.

Please share your ideas!

Wouter



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 12 00:20:24 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:20:24 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] cosmetic parts
In-Reply-To: <40F1AABF.9030401@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001401c46795$430b0440$e163893e@oemcomputer>

Wouter

I'm interested ... if it's economic.  I don't mean "cheap", I mean good
value compared to having to buy another machine for cannibalising.
Currently my interest is purely in keeping my ZX9 going ...

Gra'

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> Sent: 11 July 2004 22:02
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] cosmetic parts
>
>
> Hi All!
>
> There have been several posts on the list about replacement (spare)
> parts like belts that are available online.
> I've been thinking about the more hard to get parts, cosmetic parts,
> mechanical parts or ....
> Would it be possible to find or produce them ourselves, or have them
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>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 12 03:52:08 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <BAY2-F39UmpyXiyjckD0004063f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV14yWpI9nCL0000c97e@hotmail.com>

When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one was Revox
tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a Revox A-700 and
my last one was a Crown 822.
I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700 Mk-1, after
in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for an a good
newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received Dragon!.

Happy listening!

ALEX!
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube Roberts 1040
> from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open reel media
> and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> >
> >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk
> >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by side.
> >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it would
> >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of getting
a
> >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after >25 years
> >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >Fred Lifton wrote:
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported the
> >>other
> >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track? Strangely,
> >>the
> >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low prices
> >>for
> >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> >>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jul 12 06:59:44 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:59:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <24369862@rosencrantz.reed.edu> <40F15C45.2010501@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c467cd$0cf9ca70$80773242@CopyTech>

It looks really nice. It gives a feel of a "radio station at home" look. I
use to have to Revox B 77 side by side and looks simply awesome.
Have Technics 1700 r-r now and they look even more impressive with
capability of playing 6 hours of continuous music among them both with their
auto-reverse mode. That's what I call "long play".

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Stocker" <britri at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk
> members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> 1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by
> side.  Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it
> would appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of
> getting a matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after
>  >25 years and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
>
> Brian
>
> Fred Lifton wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported the
other
> >day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track? Strangely,
the
> >same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low prices
for
> >formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> >
> >Fred
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jul 12 07:04:02 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:04:02 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <20040711200144.36035.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c467cd$a6bf0670$80773242@CopyTech>

Sent it to ES Labs. The expected service tab would be between $1,500 - $2,000 if those described are the only problems. I have said many times fellows: stay away from those machines. They are very time and money consuming plus many parts are not available anymore.

We have a friend in Indonesia in this list that knows more about that model than most of us. For me, just get rid off her.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bala Ganesh Chandra 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


  guys, 

           I bought a nak 1000ZXL not too long ago. problem is, its not working. the owner has told me it has been in storage for some time. The unit powers on, but not all the indicators are working. Also, the motors do not seem to be working and thus the deck doesnt respond to any functions. Anyone has any idea what could be the common fault with this deck? I have a hunch the power supply could be out, but I am not too sure yet- i have not opened it up. Judging from its look and weight, I think there should be enough parts to give anyone a fit! Anyone can help please?

  BG

  erie <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com> wrote:
    anybody bidding on this?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jul 12 07:06:05 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:06:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <BAY2-F39UmpyXiyjckD0004063f@hotmail.com>
	<BAY18-DAV14yWpI9nCL0000c97e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901c467cd$f02268c0$80773242@CopyTech>

Problem is, that from Israel to this part of the world you'll have to spend
more on shipping than on what the machine worth now, Alex.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one was Revox
> tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a Revox A-700
and
> my last one was a Crown 822.
> I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700 Mk-1,
after
> in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for an a good
> newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
> I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received Dragon!.
>
> Happy listening!
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>
>
> > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube Roberts 1040
> > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open reel
media
> > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> > >
> > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk
> > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by
side.
> > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it would
> > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of
getting
> a
> > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after >25
years
> > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > >
> > >Brian
> > >
> > >Fred Lifton wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hi all,
> > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported
the
> > >>other
> > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track?
Strangely,
> > >>the
> > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low
prices
> > >>for
> > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > >>
> > >>Fred
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jul 12 07:08:53 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com>
Message-ID: <005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech>

Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics technician".
It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget it. Is
not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I know
what I'm talking about ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> anybody bidding on this?
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1
>
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Jul 12 04:04:29 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:04:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <24369862@rosencrantz.reed.edu> <40F15C45.2010501@comcast.net>
	<001a01c467cd$0cf9ca70$80773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001601c467b4$915f69a0$856423c8@g8nsv>

I totally agree Carlos....I also have a Technics 1700 and found some new
Maxell reels here in Caracas for peanuts. Great sound, an impressive look
and they are going for a lot of money on ebay too....jejejeje

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> It looks really nice. It gives a feel of a "radio station at home" look. I
> use to have to Revox B 77 side by side and looks simply awesome.
> Have Technics 1700 r-r now and they look even more impressive with
> capability of playing 6 hours of continuous music among them both with
their
> auto-reverse mode. That's what I call "long play".
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Stocker" <britri at comcast.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>
>
> > This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk
> > members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> > 1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by
> > side.  Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it
> > would appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of
> > getting a matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after
> >  >25 years and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Fred Lifton wrote:
> >
> > >Hi all,
> > >boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported
the
> other
> > >day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track?
Strangely,
> the
> > >same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low prices
> for
> > >formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > >
> > >Fred
> >
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Jul 12 04:17:00 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:17:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cosmetic parts
Message-ID: <17058e01706f88.1706f8817058e0@vsnl.net>

Having needed few parts when I gather few non working Naks - I found that the best would be to buy cheaper CR 1A/ BX1 decks - you can almost get working very nice ones for almost 25 $ -30 $ including shipping ! I actually removed a Nak microprocessor from one CR 1A to repair another CR 3A!- the guy had plugged in wrong connector on wrong sockets of this CR 3. I also gathered Cam mode motor of this Deck to replace another CR 3A. Since this deck( CR1) needed a Dolby Chip (almost mint) - that would have costed me 35$ from nak parts?- not worth 40$ to spend a deck that you can get it for 10$ off ebay. So buying CR 1 or Bx 1 would be useful including top cover , front knobs etc. Not a bad idea as many CR 1 /Bx1' and even CR 3 and Bx 100/125 etc are being thrown out in US for a song!
CR 7 Bx 300 or CR 4/5 parts can come off these cheap beauties. Also I noticed some of these 2 head decks have very good play/ record heads and were infact amzing when they were calibrated! I have a Cr 2A which is as good as another CR 3A.  anybody is interested in buying this?
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:20 pm
Subject: RE: [naktalk] cosmetic parts

> Wouter
> 
> I'm interested ... if it's economic.  I don't mean "cheap", I mean 
> goodvalue compared to having to buy another machine for cannibalising.
> Currently my interest is purely in keeping my ZX9 going ...
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke
> > Sent: 11 July 2004 22:02
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] cosmetic parts
> >
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > There have been several posts on the list about replacement (spare)
> > parts like belts that are available online.
> > I've been thinking about the more hard to get parts, cosmetic parts,
> > mechanical parts or ....
> > Would it be possible to find or produce them ourselves, or have them
> > produced? Anyone who has any ideas in this direction?
> > Stripping a Nak for parts is the last thing most of us want to 
> do i think.
> >
> > Please share your ideas!
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 12 06:17:50 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:17:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <BAY2-F39UmpyXiyjckD0004063f@hotmail.com><BAY18-DAV14yWpI9nCL0000c97e@hotmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV3fkppuUdPs0000ce96@hotmail.com>

Yes Carlos...! I completely agree with you!!!

Thanks and happy listening!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> Problem is, that from Israel to this part of the world you'll have to
spend
> more on shipping than on what the machine worth now, Alex.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>
>
> > When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one was
Revox
> > tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a Revox A-700
> and
> > my last one was a Crown 822.
> > I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700 Mk-1,
> after
> > in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for an a
good
> > newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
> > I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received
Dragon!.
> >
> > Happy listening!
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >
> >
> > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube Roberts
1040
> > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open reel
> media
> > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> > > >
> > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any
naktalk
> > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by
> side.
> > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it
would
> > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of
> getting
> > a
> > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after >25
> years
> > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > > >
> > > >Brian
> > > >
> > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Hi all,
> > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported
> the
> > > >>other
> > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track?
> Strangely,
> > > >>the
> > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low
> prices
> > > >>for
> > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > > >>
> > > >>Fred
> > >
> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Jul 11 23:35:27 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:35:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UR
References: <20040708.181053.2930.274482@webmail13.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c4678e$ff33ac50$60b20642@johnnyrotten>

You could get XL II's for almost the same price which would be far superior 
to UR's.

John T.
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell UR


>
> I just upon a chache of Maxell UR (120 bias) that are selling for $4 for a 
> pack of seven (90 mins.).
>  I am making some not critical vocal tapes for the car.
>  I have used Maxell high bias most of my life, but now am curious if I 
> should consider buying more of these URs for critical recordings.
>   Any notions?
>  thanks
>    bob
>
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 12 03:39:55 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:39:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F18vpTyxxfFzgJ0008e8c8@hotmail.com>

Alex:

Do you have enough for a "minyen"?


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
>
>When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one was Revox
>tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a Revox A-700 
>and
>my last one was a Crown 822.
>I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700 Mk-1, after
>in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for an a good
>newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
>I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received Dragon!.
>
>Happy listening!
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>
>
> > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube Roberts 1040
> > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open reel 
>media
> > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> > >
> > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk
> > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by 
>side.
> > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it would
> > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of 
>getting
>a
> > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after >25 
>years
> > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > >
> > >Brian
> > >
> > >Fred Lifton wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hi all,
> > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported 
>the
> > >>other
> > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track? 
>Strangely,
> > >>the
> > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low 
>prices
> > >>for
> > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > >>
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Jul 12 11:58:34 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:58:34 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] NonNakTalk
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Message-ID: <01d001c467f6$cc3ad540$1010a8c0@tg>

Hi,

Anyone has experience with the CD player "Arcam CD73" ???

I appreciate any comments !!!

Thanks and regards,
Tayfur


From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Mon Jul 12 14:24:53 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:24:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech>
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com>
	<005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040712082150.02112ec0@pop.iquebec.com>

... but when you get one working right, this is the best Nak recorder ever 
made!

-Marc

At 01:08 2004/07/12, you wrote:
>Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics technician".
>It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget it. Is
>not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I know
>what I'm talking about ...
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
> > anybody bidding on this?
> >
> >
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1
> >
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jul 12 14:41:55 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:41:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040712082150.02112ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com><005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech>
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I totally agree!
Only from looking at the pictures i would stay away from this one, usually
Naks neglected like this one are not any better on the inside... If you
buy it you can use it to sell it for parts... I'd be interested in a 220V
capable powersupply ;-)
My Dragon was like this, on the inside the AutoAzimuth motor was missing!!
Quite some money and a lot of hours by Tom van der Hoff later it is
working flawlessly.
Still i prefer my 1000ZXL!
Wouter

> ... but when you get one working right, this is the best Nak recorder ever
> made!
>
> -Marc
>
> At 01:08 2004/07/12, you wrote:
>>Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics
>> technician".
>>It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget it.
>> Is
>>not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I know
>>what I'm talking about ...
>>
>>Carlos
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
>>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
>>Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>>
>>
>> > anybody bidding on this?
>> >
>> >
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1
>> >
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Jul 12 14:40:34 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:40:34 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com>
	<005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <003801c46810$9fa9fe60$b3299bca@aisha>


I agree ... this one looks like it needs more luck than a lot of work !!

Or ... if you're a diehard diy living nearby with time to kill and can get
the deck for ridiculously low price, it would be a neat project to use just
the playback amp *board* and install it inside, say, a 482.  I believe what
sets ZXLs' special sound apart from the breed mostly came from this pb amp.

The a.b.l.e. recording part is just p.i.t.a.

cheers,
your friend from indonesia =)


----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics technician".
> It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget it.
Is
> not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I know
> what I'm talking about ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
> > anybody bidding on this?
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195
&rd=1






From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Jul 12 15:08:51 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:08:51 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <20040711200144.36035.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<003d01c467cd$a6bf0670$80773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <004701c46811$610b9be0$b3299bca@aisha>


Carlos, add about $500 to send it from Singapore to Connecticut !!

Anyway, there's another ZXL sold for only $250 also from singapore in the
naks.com 'read message' area (guilty, I actually searched for that lady on
naktalk .. =)

Bala, if you want to work on the deck you'll definitely need a ZXL service
manual from www.schaltungsdienst.de .  This is one hell of a complicated
deck with almost every single logic ICs inside are waiting to fail.  Be
prepared to spend a lot of time working on it.  ES labs's approach in
replacing the whole innards can be reasonable with 1000 zxl.  Iirc, there
was a post to 'recycle' the electrolytics by leaving the deck on for a long
time, have you tried this ?

You'd first want to check the PS voltages, get the transport working again,
then the playback part and finally (don't get high hopes here) the record
section.  I would be happy enough if I can get the deck back working for
playback only.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


Sent it to ES Labs. The expected service tab would be between $1,500 -
$2,000 if those described are the only problems. I have said many times
fellows: stay away from those machines. They are very time and money
consuming plus many parts are not available anymore.

We have a friend in Indonesia in this list that knows more about that model
than most of us. For me, just get rid off her.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bala Ganesh Chandra
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


  guys,

           I bought a nak 1000ZXL not too long ago. problem is, its not
working. the owner has told me it has been in storage for some time. The
unit powers on, but not all the indicators are working. Also, the motors do
not seem to be working and thus the deck doesnt respond to any functions.
Anyone has any idea what could be the common fault with this deck? I have a
hunch the power supply could be out, but I am not too sure yet- i have not
opened it up. Judging from its look and weight, I think there should be
enough parts to give anyone a fit! Anyone can help please?

  BG






From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Jul 12 14:45:36 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:45:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com>
	<005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <001e01c4680e$2173bb00$0ab40642@johnnyrotten>

At the current asking price, a nice parts machine.

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics technician".
> It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget it. 
> Is
> not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I know
> what I'm talking about ...
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
>> anybody bidding on this?
>>
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1
>>
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Jul 12 15:40:52 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:40:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
In-Reply-To: <s0f12640.009@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040712093227.0263fb20@psulias.psu.edu>

Most 8-tracks weren't recorders, which hastened it's early demise.  Plus 8 
Track quality was truly horrible and had many tracks that "Cha-Chunked" 
right in the middle.  Gotta love that!  I don't think cassettes will die 
anytime soon, but I think as a hi-fi media it's going to be a tiny 
niche.  Probably the ultimate demise will be cheap, hour+ digital recorders 
for the office that require no media.


>However, I don't think it will go the way of the 8-track.  The sheer 
>numbers sold of the format will see to its survival for one purpose or 
>another.  It remains easy to use, capable of astonishing fidelity in the 
>right machines, light, portable and inexpensive.
>
>I like technology, but so much of it is superfluous.  I, for one, will not 
>be buying an i-Pod.  It's just another think to dust, insure, get knocked 
>over or develop a virus (not to mention that bane of music in this age of 
>high resolution formats like DVD-A and SACD, the data-reduced file).  If I 
>win one, I'll flog it off, quick as a flash to some poor little rich kid's 
>father!! It might look like cake, but it's really rye-vita, and I'm there 
>to cheer them on!!
>
>Have a great Sunday!!
>
>Marc
>
>
> >>> Fred.Lifton at directory.reed.edu 07/10/04 08:14PM >>>
>Hi all,
>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported the other
>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track? Strangely, the
>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low prices for
>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
>
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From britri at comcast.net  Mon Jul 12 15:43:04 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:43:04 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Death of Cassette?
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Jul 12 15:45:52 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:45:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Death of Cassette?
In-Reply-To: <003a01c4673f$598e11e0$2db1d7a8@jnorris.ttu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040712094457.02649ee8@psulias.psu.edu>

There are still quite a few entry level cars that only come with cassette, 
if that!

At 07:05 AM 7/11/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I went to the local Toyota dealership to look at the brand new 2004 basic
>Tacoma pickup truck, and found that the sound system that comes with the
>option package has radio and cassette, not CD.  I'm not sure what kind of
>sign this is, or what the company's marketing people are thinking.
>
>For what it's worth. . . .
>
>Michael



From george.valkov at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 16:21:39 2004
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:21:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040712082150.02112ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
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You mean "IF" not "when"......

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:24:53 -0400, Marc Denis <marcdenis at iquebec.com> wrote:
> ... but when you get one working right, this is the best Nak recorder ever
> made!
> 
> -Marc
> 
> At 01:08 2004/07/12, you wrote:
> >Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics technician".
> >It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget it. Is
> >not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I know
> >what I'm talking about ...
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
> >Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
> >
> >
> > > anybody bidding on this?
> > >
> > >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1
> > >
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Jul 12 17:31:10 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:31:10 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
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UPS charges $860-1330 to my place, too bad he only ships within US ... =)  .

Come to think of it, $50 is a good deal if lights are on and motor running,
at least psu & logic board are working. If buyer gets very lucky all he need
to do is replace the cam control belt.

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> At the current asking price, a nice parts machine.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>




From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Mon Jul 12 17:54:03 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:54:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <518b7b104071207215be7ec8c@mail.gmail.com>
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Not sure what you mean by "IF" not "when". I am not sure since English is 
not my first language. Anyway, IMHO, 1000ZXL is the best cassette recorder 
ever made and Dragon is the best player. CR-7 is an interesting compromise 
between the two. I had all three at one point or the other. I kept the 
1000ZXL. Others may choose otherwise (or even prefer ZX-7 or ZX-9). That's 
fine. The 1000ZXL certainly does not break more often than the Dragon or 
the CR-7. All three are very sophisticated machines and are no toys to play 
with when time comes to service them. 1000ZXL is the oldest model of the 
three so parts may be harder to get. Unfortunately, it will soon be true of 
all models. The seller on eBay does not ship outside the USA. Otherwise, I 
might consider it for parts. It should go for cheap since the description 
does not leave much hope to the buyer. $5 worth of packaging should kill it 
for good.

Regards,

-Marc

At 10:21 2004/07/12, you wrote:
>You mean "IF" not "when"......
>
>On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:24:53 -0400, Marc Denis <marcdenis at iquebec.com> wrote:
> > ... but when you get one working right, this is the best Nak recorder ever
> > made!
> >
> > -Marc
> >
> > At 01:08 2004/07/12, you wrote:
> > >Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics technician".
> > >It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget 
> it. Is
> > >not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I know
> > >what I'm talking about ...
> > >
> > >Carlos
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
> > >Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
> > >
> > >
> > > > anybody bidding on this?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=57084 
> 33195&rd=1
> > > >
> > > > erie
> > > > 
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From erie at shelbyvilledesign.com  Mon Jul 12 16:38:13 2004
From: erie at shelbyvilledesign.com (erie)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:38:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
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I wouldn't even consider it now, as I already have next winters projects 
lined up and the wife would kill
me if I bought any more when I get to it projects. Judging by everyones 
response to send it to ESL, I take is
Stephen isn't doing Nak Service anymore?

erie


From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 12 22:43:44 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:43:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <BAY2-F18vpTyxxfFzgJ0008e8c8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV11H61tsLby000128e7@hotmail.com>

 Do you have enough for a "minyen"?

Please...What you really mean? As my native language is Spanish!

Thanks so much Neil,

ALEX!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> Alex:
>
> Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
>
>
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
> >
> >When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one was
Revox
> >tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a Revox A-700
> >and
> >my last one was a Crown 822.
> >I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700 Mk-1,
after
> >in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for an a good
> >newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
> >I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received
Dragon!.
> >
> >Happy listening!
> >
> >ALEX!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >
> >
> > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube Roberts
1040
> > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open reel
> >media
> > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> > > >
> > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any
naktalk
> > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by
> >side.
> > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it
would
> > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of
> >getting
> >a
> > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after >25
> >years
> > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > > >
> > > >Brian
> > > >
> > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Hi all,
> > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported
> >the
> > > >>other
> > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track?
> >Strangely,
> > > >>the
> > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low
> >prices
> > > >>for
> > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > > >>
> > > >>Fred
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 13 03:12:18 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:12:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <24369862@rosencrantz.reed.edu>
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Yep, Dr. Fidelman, I still have many BASF open reel sealed boxes for future
recording enjoyment. What I really like form this 1700 is the capability of
playing "hot" 1/4 tk. tapes without the familiar "thump" muffled sound of
the adjacent tracks, like the B 77 for example.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> I totally agree Carlos....I also have a Technics 1700 and found some new
> Maxell reels here in Caracas for peanuts. Great sound, an impressive look
> and they are going for a lot of money on ebay too....jejejeje
>
> Isy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>
>
> > It looks really nice. It gives a feel of a "radio station at home" look.
I
> > use to have to Revox B 77 side by side and looks simply awesome.
> > Have Technics 1700 r-r now and they look even more impressive with
> > capability of playing 6 hours of continuous music among them both with
> their
> > auto-reverse mode. That's what I call "long play".
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Stocker" <britri at comcast.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >
> >
> > > This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any naktalk
> > > members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> > > 1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by
> > > side.  Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay,
it
> > > would appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of
> > > getting a matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible
after
> > >  >25 years and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > Fred Lifton wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi all,
> > > >boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR reported
> the
> > other
> > > >day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track?
> Strangely,
> > the
> > > >same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low
prices
> > for
> > > >formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > > >
> > > >Fred
> > >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 13 03:14:27 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:14:27 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] NonNakTalk
References: <20040708.181053.2930.274482@webmail13.lax.untd.com><003c01c4678e$ff33ac50$60b20642@johnnyrotten>
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I use to sell Arcam in my former store. Those are very simple but nice
sounding piece of equipment. I still have an Arcam One and still going and
going.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:58 AM
Subject: [naktalk] NonNakTalk


> Hi,
>
> Anyone has experience with the CD player "Arcam CD73" ???
>
> I appreciate any comments !!!
>
> Thanks and regards,
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 13 03:17:09 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:17:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com><005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040712082150.02112ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c46877$2199c8e0$41773242@CopyTech>

Exactly ! I agree.  Problem is to get one reliable enough to give you years
of trouble free enjoyment; and that my friend, is almost impossible to find.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Denis" <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> ... but when you get one working right, this is the best Nak recorder ever
> made!
>
> -Marc
>
> At 01:08 2004/07/12, you wrote:
> >Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics
technician".
> >It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget it.
Is
> >not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I know
> >what I'm talking about ...
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
> >Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
> >
> >
> > > anybody bidding on this?
> > >
> > >
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=570843319
5&rd=1
> > >
> > > erie
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 13 03:24:17 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:24:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com><005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech>
	<001e01c4680e$2173bb00$0ab40642@johnnyrotten>
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Maybe, John. Problem with these monsters is that most of the time, the
critical parts (those you can not find anywhere) are those who aren't
working ! Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> At the current asking price, a nice parts machine.
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
> > Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics
technician".
> > It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget
it.
> > Is
> > not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I know
> > what I'm talking about ...
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
> >
> >
> >> anybody bidding on this?
> >>
> >>
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1
> >>
> >> erie
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Jul 13 02:52:49 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:52:49 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com>
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Message-ID: <002c01c46873$bbecc2c0$49299bca@aisha>


Considering the increasing amount of Naks that 'needs work', Stephen might
be very busy indeed and backlogged on this Nak job !  I believe he's still
accepting the work if you can contact him by phone.  For me it's
prohibitively expensive to send a deck to either NM or Conn.

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> I wouldn't even consider it now, as I already have next winters projects
> lined up and the wife would kill
> me if I bought any more when I get to it projects. Judging by everyones
> response to send it to ESL, I take is
> Stephen isn't doing Nak Service anymore?
>
> erie
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Jul 13 05:50:40 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:50:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <24369862@rosencrantz.reed.edu><40F15C45.2010501@comcast.net><001a01c467cd$0cf9ca70$80773242@CopyTech><001601c467b4$915f69a0$856423c8@g8nsv>
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Message-ID: <005401c4688c$916d0e10$936423c8@g8nsv>

It is a wonderful piece of equipment....very heavy and well built and easy
to keep it working....
I really enjoy it a lot. Got some Ampex 456 also....

Isy
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> Yep, Dr. Fidelman, I still have many BASF open reel sealed boxes for
future
> recording enjoyment. What I really like form this 1700 is the capability
of
> playing "hot" 1/4 tk. tapes without the familiar "thump" muffled sound of
> the adjacent tracks, like the B 77 for example.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>
>
> > I totally agree Carlos....I also have a Technics 1700 and found some new
> > Maxell reels here in Caracas for peanuts. Great sound, an impressive
look
> > and they are going for a lot of money on ebay too....jejejeje
> >
> > Isy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >
> >
> > > It looks really nice. It gives a feel of a "radio station at home"
look.
> I
> > > use to have to Revox B 77 side by side and looks simply awesome.
> > > Have Technics 1700 r-r now and they look even more impressive with
> > > capability of playing 6 hours of continuous music among them both with
> > their
> > > auto-reverse mode. That's what I call "long play".
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian Stocker" <britri at comcast.net>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:27 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > >
> > >
> > > > This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any
naktalk
> > > > members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> > > > 1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by
> > > > side.  Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay,
> it
> > > > would appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking
of
> > > > getting a matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible
> after
> > > >  >25 years and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > Fred Lifton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Hi all,
> > > > >boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR
reported
> > the
> > > other
> > > > >day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track?
> > Strangely,
> > > the
> > > > >same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low
> prices
> > > for
> > > > >formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > > > >
> > > > >Fred
> > > >
> > >
> >
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From TRANSPLATA at aol.com  Mon Jul 12 21:34:14 2004
From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:34:14 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <66.42c3ec62.2e2441b6@aol.com>

To everyone:
Somebody mentioned that Stephen Sanks no longer  serviced Naks not to long 
ago. Can anybody verify this. My 700ZXL has mad cap  desease and needs to be 
sanktified
Thanks for any input.
Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles 
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 00:51:09 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:51:09 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F37z35ZgR1zRL20000fff1@hotmail.com>

I thought you were Hebrew..living in Isreal.


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:43:44 +0200
>
>  Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
>
>Please...What you really mean? As my native language is Spanish!
>
>Thanks so much Neil,
>
>ALEX!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:39 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>
>
> > Alex:
> >
> > Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
> >
> >
> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
> > >
> > >When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one was
>Revox
> > >tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a Revox 
>A-700
> > >and
> > >my last one was a Crown 822.
> > >I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700 Mk-1,
>after
> > >in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for an a 
>good
> > >newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
> > >I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received
>Dragon!.
> > >
> > >Happy listening!
> > >
> > >ALEX!
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > >
> > >
> > > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube Roberts
>1040
> > > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open reel
> > >media
> > > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
> > > >
> > > > Neil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any
>naktalk
> > > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of the
> > > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side by
> > >side.
> > > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it
>would
> > > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of
> > >getting
> > >a
> > > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after >25
> > >years
> > > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > > > >
> > > > >Brian
> > > > >
> > > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Hi all,
> > > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR 
>reported
> > >the
> > > > >>other
> > > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track?
> > >Strangely,
> > > > >>the
> > > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low
> > >prices
> > > > >>for
> > > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Fred
> > > >
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From michael.martorana at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 13 01:11:27 2004
From: michael.martorana at ntlworld.com (Michael G Martorana)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:11:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Pre-recorded cassettes
Message-ID: <001b01c46865$93179b80$a3a70152@Michael>

Hi all,

I have noticed that charity shops and full of pre-recorded cassettes going for a song, here is Scotland you can pick them up for 99 pence. I guess that most people no longer use their cassettes and have moved on to CD, minidisk, MP3 or what ever and are selling or giving them away. What I was wondering is whether they are worth buying up at these prices, are they a better bet than 2nd hand LPs?
I never purchased pre-recorded tapes in the past believing them to be inferior to LP's or CD's. However, on Saturday my curiosity got the better of me and I bought a pre-recorded tape of  "Reg strikes back" by Elton John.  According to the insert it was recorded on chrome tape with Dolby B and playing it back on either my Nak or my Walkman I was surprised that it sounded very good.   It probably does not sound as good as a LP but not having either a LP or CD version of it I don't know for sure.  It certainly sounded less annoying than some second hand LPs I have purchased with all their pops and crackles.  Has any one made any comparisons of pre-recorded cassettes with LP, CD or tapes made at home from CD or LP?   Does anyone know what machine and chrome tape would have been used to make pre-recorded cassettes.  Were they recorded at actual playback speed or faster?

Best regards

Michael
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Jul 13 01:18:48 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:18:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
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Carlos my friend,

I can imagine that to be the case. Buy three used 1000 ZXL's and all three 
have a dead logic chip or some other un-replaceable part(s). But at the 
current price on eBay we kid ourselves that this deck might just need a new 
belt! NOT! ;-) I imported a ZXL from UK directly to Stephen in NM. It was 
220 volt only. Stephen did his usual stellar job, not to mention that this 
took a year ;-), of restoring this beast. It was received by me out of 
whack, these watch like machines really do not understand UPS, FedEx rules 
and are very, very easily damaged. The only day that I enjoyed this deck was 
the day that it was sold!

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> Maybe, John. Problem with these monsters is that most of the time, the
> critical parts (those you can not find anywhere) are those who aren't
> working ! Ha !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
>> At the current asking price, a nice parts machine.
>>
>> John T.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>> To: <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
>> <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>>
>>
>> > Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics
> technician".
>> > It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget
> it.
>> > Is
>> > not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I 
>> > know
>> > what I'm talking about ...
>> >
>> > Carlos
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
>> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
>> > Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>> >
>> >
>> >> anybody bidding on this?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1
>> >>
>> >> erie
>> >>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 04:46:07 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:46:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
Message-ID: <BAY2-F37i5ww5e7TgW500011d55@hotmail.com>

All:

There is a factory service center here in NYC....Technitron Electronic..see 
Mike...still listed on the Nak website for repairs. They fixed my ST-7 years 
ago.

Neil


>From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:52:49 +0700
>
>
>Considering the increasing amount of Naks that 'needs work', Stephen might
>be very busy indeed and backlogged on this Nak job !  I believe he's still
>accepting the work if you can contact him by phone.  For me it's
>prohibitively expensive to send a deck to either NM or Conn.
>
>Salim SM
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
> > I wouldn't even consider it now, as I already have next winters projects
> > lined up and the wife would kill
> > me if I bought any more when I get to it projects. Judging by everyones
> > response to send it to ESL, I take is
> > Stephen isn't doing Nak Service anymore?
> >
> > erie
> > 
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From sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net  Tue Jul 13 04:51:31 2004
From: sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net (Steve Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:51:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
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Message-ID: <002801c46884$4e220280$0200a8c0@down>

I went from LPS to CDs and skipped the cassette era in its heyday. In the
past year I have stepped back and started to pick up cassettes at second
hand stores, yard sales and the like. So when looking for a decent cassette
deck I kept seeing info about the Naks. The cassette to me was always low
end alternative to LPS and CDs. I have since changed my position after
acquiring several low end NAKs. I now laugh when I see a cassette for sale
in a second hand store for 50cents with the same title in stores on the CD
rack goes for 16.95. After transferring some of my cassette collection to CD
for use in the car and whenever, I find the sound hard to tell apart from
the 16.95 counter part CD.

So in closeing, thanks for the great info the members here give , Death to
the cassette just means life to me!

Steve


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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jul 13 09:08:00 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:08:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <000d01c46868$092ba800$16b40642@johnnyrotten>
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com><005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech><001e01c4680e$2173bb00$0ab40642@johnnyrotten><005801c46878$1ed89090$41773242@CopyTech>
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Yes, you have to be lucky.
I imported my 1000ZXL from San Francisco to Amsterdam myself. Packaged it
there myself and checked it in with me as luggage on e commercial flight.
Little did i know then... But it arrived here flawlessly, it had some
problems but they were just regular problems (orange cap etc).
What i know is that the 'plugin' boards are the most sensitive part of the
ZXL decks, they can cause a lot of strange problems. I know a friends
700ZXL lost one channel, but sometimes when he switched source/tape it
came back... it appeared that the switch moved the one of the boards
slightly!!
Wouter

> Carlos my friend,
>
> I can imagine that to be the case. Buy three used 1000 ZXL's and all three
> have a dead logic chip or some other un-replaceable part(s). But at the
> current price on eBay we kid ourselves that this deck might just need a
> new
> belt! NOT! ;-) I imported a ZXL from UK directly to Stephen in NM. It was
> 220 volt only. Stephen did his usual stellar job, not to mention that this
> took a year ;-), of restoring this beast. It was received by me out of
> whack, these watch like machines really do not understand UPS, FedEx rules
> and are very, very easily damaged. The only day that I enjoyed this deck
> was
> the day that it was sold!
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
>> Maybe, John. Problem with these monsters is that most of the time, the
>> critical parts (those you can not find anywhere) are those who aren't
>> working ! Ha !
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>>
>>
>>> At the current asking price, a nice parts machine.
>>>
>>> John T.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>>> To: <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
>>> <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>>>
>>>
>>> > Stay away from it. This is not a machine to play "electronics
>> technician".
>>> > It is a whole nightmare and it would make you spend a fortune. Forget
>> it.
>>> > Is
>>> > not even worth the shipping charges (nearly $100.00). Believe me, I
>>> > know
>>> > what I'm talking about ...
>>> >
>>> > Carlos
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
>>> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:37 PM
>>> > Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> anybody bidding on this?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5708433195&rd=1
>>> >>
>>> >> erie
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Jul 13 09:17:05 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:17:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] reel to reels
Message-ID: <18504-40F38C71-6053@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>

long as youre are on the subject of reel to reels,i would like to join
in the discussion.I have an akai gx 280d with  glass heads in perfect
shape.It  sounds sterile compared to,like,a TEAC,but its pretty good for
rock .I also have a couple of the old  tube type  reel to reels and
these geezers are a lot of fun,and they sound pretty mellow too- great
for acoustic guitar and stuff. (8-o)

thank you very much,
gerald



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul 13 09:41:00 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:41:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Pre-recorded cassettes
In-Reply-To: <001b01c46865$93179b80$a3a70152@Michael>
Message-ID: <001201c468ac$be29f1a0$1968893e@oemcomputer>

Personally, I'd not touch a 2nd hand cassette unless I knew where it came
from, how well it had been looked after ... and even then, I'd be wary.
Nasty, flaking old cassette tapes can muck up a cassette deck.  Now, with
2nd hand LPs, I can clean them on my Moth record cleaning machine and will
dare to put most of them thereafter straight on my Oracle Delphi II or, if
it's a 78rpm, my GL78.

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Michael G Martorana
  Sent: 13 July 2004 00:11
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Pre-recorded cassettes


  Hi all,

  I have noticed that charity shops and full of pre-recorded cassettes going
for a song, here is Scotland you can pick them up for 99 pence. I guess that
most people no longer use their cassettes and have moved on to CD, minidisk,
MP3 or what ever and are selling or giving them away. What I was wondering
is whether they are worth buying up at these prices, are they a better bet
than 2nd hand LPs?
  I never purchased pre-recorded tapes in the past believing them to be
inferior to LP's or CD's. However, on Saturday my curiosity got the better
of me and I bought a pre-recorded tape of  "Reg strikes back" by Elton John.
According to the insert it was recorded on chrome tape with Dolby B and
playing it back on either my Nak or my Walkman I was surprised that it
sounded very good.   It probably does not sound as good as a LP but not
having either a LP or CD version of it I don't know for sure.  It certainly
sounded less annoying than some second hand LPs I have purchased with all
their pops and crackles.  Has any one made any comparisons of pre-recorded
cassettes with LP, CD or tapes made at home from CD or LP?   Does anyone
know what machine and chrome tape would have been used to make pre-recorded
cassettes.  Were they recorded at actual playback speed or faster?

  Best regards

  Michael
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From luis at peromarta.org  Tue Jul 13 09:53:58 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:53:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <004701c46811$610b9be0$b3299bca@aisha>
References: <20040711200144.36035.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<003d01c467cd$a6bf0670$80773242@CopyTech>
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Message-ID: <20040713075358.GB17335@peromarta.org>

Folks,

As some of you are aware of, I have been working on a ZXL for about a
year now. When I got mine, it was dead. Since, and with the very
valuable help of Salim and others, I managed to change over 60 metalized
PP caps, all logic IC chips (>50) and some opamps. Most front panel
lamps are replaced too, as they where all starting to fail.

One you know - more or less - what to do, I managed to do it in about
100 hours. That brought the deck back to life. Almost.

That's to start with. Then, I had to buid myself a M9058 test unit to
"command" the monster and adjust it. And that's some work that needs
proper skills. Believe me.

And there it is, waiting for some final touches that will make it start
recording again, which has not happend yet.

At least it's keeping me very entertained, so if you like spending
countless hours playing around with electronics, then it's the toy you
need.

My 2c.

Best rgds, LP.


El 12/07/04 a las 20:08, smarzuki at indosat.net.id dijo : 

> 
> Carlos, add about $500 to send it from Singapore to Connecticut !!
> 
> Anyway, there's another ZXL sold for only $250 also from singapore in the
> naks.com 'read message' area (guilty, I actually searched for that lady on
> naktalk .. =)
> 
> Bala, if you want to work on the deck you'll definitely need a ZXL service
> manual from www.schaltungsdienst.de .  This is one hell of a complicated
> deck with almost every single logic ICs inside are waiting to fail.  Be
> prepared to spend a lot of time working on it.  ES labs's approach in
> replacing the whole innards can be reasonable with 1000 zxl.  Iirc, there
> was a post to 'recycle' the electrolytics by leaving the deck on for a long
> time, have you tried this ?
> 
> You'd first want to check the PS voltages, get the transport working again,
> then the playback part and finally (don't get high hopes here) the record
> section.  I would be happy enough if I can get the deck back working for
> playback only.
> 
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
> 
> 
> Sent it to ES Labs. The expected service tab would be between $1,500 -
> $2,000 if those described are the only problems. I have said many times
> fellows: stay away from those machines. They are very time and money
> consuming plus many parts are not available anymore.
> 
> We have a friend in Indonesia in this list that knows more about that model
> than most of us. For me, just get rid off her.
> 
> Carlos
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bala Ganesh Chandra
>   To: naktalk at naks.com
>   Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:01 PM
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
> 
> 
>   guys,
> 
>            I bought a nak 1000ZXL not too long ago. problem is, its not
> working. the owner has told me it has been in storage for some time. The
> unit powers on, but not all the indicators are working. Also, the motors do
> not seem to be working and thus the deck doesnt respond to any functions.
> Anyone has any idea what could be the common fault with this deck? I have a
> hunch the power supply could be out, but I am not too sure yet- i have not
> opened it up. Judging from its look and weight, I think there should be
> enough parts to give anyone a fit! Anyone can help please?
> 
>   BG
> 
> 
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 13 19:23:47 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:23:47 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com><005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech><6.1.2.0.2.20040712082150.02112ec0@pop.iquebec.com><518b7b104071207215be7ec8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040712113422.020f9ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c468fe$298c29d0$66773242@CopyTech>

I'm really sorry, Marc, but I can never agree with your statement below.
>From all the decks I have ever had in my former collection of 20+ pieces,
both ZXL's , the 700 and 1000, has been a totally nightmare to keep running
constantly. And I'm talking about almost "10" machines. The junkie ones, as
the model at ebay, are even worst; forget it man !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Denis" <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


 The 1000ZXL certainly does not break more often than the Dragon or
> the CR-7.



From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 13 19:24:56 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:24:56 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com><005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech><6.1.2.0.2.20040712082150.02112ec0@pop.iquebec.com><518b7b104071207215be7ec8c@mail.gmail.com><40F2A255.7080601@shelbyvilledesign.com>
	<002c01c46873$bbecc2c0$49299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <006401c468fe$51e46140$66773242@CopyTech>

For me too and I'm much closer than you, Salim.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


>
> Considering the increasing amount of Naks that 'needs work', Stephen might
> be very busy indeed and backlogged on this Nak job !  I believe he's still
> accepting the work if you can contact him by phone.  For me it's
> prohibitively expensive to send a deck to either NM or Conn.
>
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
> > I wouldn't even consider it now, as I already have next winters projects
> > lined up and the wife would kill
> > me if I bought any more when I get to it projects. Judging by everyones
> > response to send it to ESL, I take is
> > Stephen isn't doing Nak Service anymore?
> >
> > erie
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 13 19:27:23 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:27:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com><005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech><001e01c4680e$2173bb00$0ab40642@johnnyrotten><005801c46878$1ed89090$41773242@CopyTech>
	<000d01c46868$092ba800$16b40642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <007a01c468fe$a92f5590$66773242@CopyTech>

Ha,ha,ha !!!!!!!!!!! Oh shit, John, you made my day. That's exactly the way
I felt the day I got rid off my "almost new 1000 ZXL".

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> Carlos my friend,
 The only day that I enjoyed this deck was
> the day that it was sold!
>
> John T.



From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Tue Jul 13 16:59:13 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:59:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <004d01c468fe$298c29d0$66773242@CopyTech>
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com>
	<005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040712082150.02112ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
	<518b7b104071207215be7ec8c@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040713105732.023f6ec0@pop.iquebec.com>

Carlos,

I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)

Best regards,

-Marc


At 13:23 2004/07/13, you wrote:
>I'm really sorry, Marc, but I can never agree with your statement below.
> >From all the decks I have ever had in my former collection of 20+ pieces,
>both ZXL's , the 700 and 1000, has been a totally nightmare to keep running
>constantly. And I'm talking about almost "10" machines. The junkie ones, as
>the model at ebay, are even worst; forget it man !
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marc Denis" <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:54 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
>  The 1000ZXL certainly does not break more often than the Dragon or
> > the CR-7.
>
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Tue Jul 13 14:57:32 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:57:32 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
References: <66.42c3ec62.2e2441b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002001c468f0$12670e40$e8299bca@aisha>


Is that so ?  Why don't you give him a call ?  The last number I see is
505-332-0336 (last march).

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: <TRANSPLATA at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank


> To everyone:
> Somebody mentioned that Stephen Sanks no longer  serviced Naks not to long
> ago. Can anybody verify this. My 700ZXL has mad cap  desease and needs to
be
> sanktified
> Thanks for any input.
> Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
>




From george.valkov at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 17:59:26 2004
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:59:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <002001c468f0$12670e40$e8299bca@aisha>
References: <66.42c3ec62.2e2441b6@aol.com>
	<002001c468f0$12670e40$e8299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <518b7b10407130859717e2af8@mail.gmail.com>

No one said Stephen is no longer servicing Nakamichis. Someone asked
the question "If you are all recommending ES Labs to do work on my
deck, does that mean Stephen is no longer doing Naks?" And someone
else who didin't bother to read the initial message carefully has now
blown it all out of proportion.

George

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:57:32 +0700, Salim Marzuki
<smarzuki at indosat.net.id> wrote:
> 
> Is that so ?  Why don't you give him a call ?  The last number I see is
> 505-332-0336 (last march).
> 
> Salim SM
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <TRANSPLATA at aol.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:34 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> 
> > To everyone:
> > Somebody mentioned that Stephen Sanks no longer  serviced Naks not to long
> > ago. Can anybody verify this. My 700ZXL has mad cap  desease and needs to
> be
> > sanktified
> > Thanks for any input.
> > Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
> >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Tue Jul 13 18:07:56 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:07:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl for parts.-e bay
Message-ID: <27927-40F408DC-1332@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>

if any of you guys needs me to get that nak for you here in the
states,and then to forward it overseas to you,then i can do that, since
the seller will not ship to overseas.that goes for other stuff too.just
a donation of a nice bit of music would suffice for the trouble,or maybe
you can find something  from overseas that is hard to get here.

thank you very much,
gerald



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Jul 13 15:30:30 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:30:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Pre-recorded cassettes
In-Reply-To: <001201c468ac$be29f1a0$1968893e@oemcomputer>
References: <001b01c46865$93179b80$a3a70152@Michael>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040713092818.0264dad0@psulias.psu.edu>

Many of the "late model" pre-recorded cassettes sound very nice.  HX Pro, 
Dolby, Chrome tape and "Digilog" went a long way towards closing the 
quality gap.  Anything that doesn't at least have dolby sounds like crap 
generally.  You can also usually get a clue from the color of the actual 
tape.  The lighter the color (tan) the worse the sound.

At 08:41 AM 7/13/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>Personally, I'd not touch a 2nd hand cassette unless I knew where it came 
>from, how well it had been looked after ... and even then, I'd be 
>wary.  Nasty, flaking old cassette tapes can muck up a cassette 
>deck.  Now, with 2nd hand LPs, I can clean them on my Moth record cleaning 
>machine and will dare to put most of them thereafter straight on my Oracle 
>Delphi II or, if it's a 78rpm, my GL78.
>
>Gra'
>-----Original Message-----



From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul 13 16:52:14 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:52:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <40F3F71E.3080407@bellsouth.net>

A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and 
is really
thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on 
cassettes in
the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to 
tape
from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A 
to Dragon
combination for this. What would you all recommend?
If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know 
directly.
It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or 
attended to by
someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and 
could
repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally 
(Atlanta) as far as
I know.)
Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
Mike Moore





From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 18:31:36 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <006401c468fe$51e46140$66773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20040713163136.19458.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, I think this beau is going to be resigned to the RIP list like the Tandberg r2r decks? Those decks use a logic board based on an obsolete 12v logic IC. Looking at the schematics, I think it shouldnt be too much work designing a replacement circuit. But with the 1000ZXL, i dont know guys but I think we have to wake those engineers from retirement to come up with something. Also, today I hauled in up and powered it on. The small bulb on the cassette compartment lights up. And the 70uS indicator lights up. Thats it. I load a cassette, and nothing happens. I switch the eq switch but the indicator refuses to change. Even the vu display doesnt light up. Under the bonnnet, the motors are not turning. I have this fear that the power supply may have given the ghost as the power regulators are not warm. I see four power regulators and they are all stone cold. What could have gone wrong?
 
Regards, 
BG

El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
For me too and I'm much closer than you, Salim.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


>
> Considering the increasing amount of Naks that 'needs work', Stephen might
> be very busy indeed and backlogged on this Nak job ! I believe he's still
> accepting the work if you can contact him by phone. For me it's
> prohibitively expensive to send a deck to either NM or Conn.
>
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erie" 
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
> > I wouldn't even consider it now, as I already have next winters projects
> > lined up and the wife would kill
> > me if I bought any more when I get to it projects. Judging by everyones
> > response to send it to ESL, I take is
> > Stephen isn't doing Nak Service anymore?
> >
> > erie
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Jul 13 19:09:53 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:09:53 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <19068d31905876.190587619068d3@vsnl.net>

Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham ???)
kannan


----- Original Message -----
From: george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:59 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank

> No one said Stephen is no longer servicing Nakamichis. Someone asked
> the question "If you are all recommending ES Labs to do work on my
> deck, does that mean Stephen is no longer doing Naks?" And someone
> else who didin't bother to read the initial message carefully has now
> blown it all out of proportion.
> 
> George
> 
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:57:32 +0700, Salim Marzuki
> <smarzuki at indosat.net.id> wrote:
> > 
> > Is that so ?  Why don't you give him a call ?  The last number I 
> see is
> > 505-332-0336 (last march).
> > 
> > Salim SM
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <TRANSPLATA at aol.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:34 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> > 
> > > To everyone:
> > > Somebody mentioned that Stephen Sanks no longer  serviced Naks 
> not to long
> > > ago. Can anybody verify this. My 700ZXL has mad cap  desease 
> and needs to
> > be
> > > sanktified
> > > Thanks for any input.
> > > Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
> > >
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From khmerideth at anderson.edu  Tue Jul 13 19:30:29 2004
From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:30:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <s0f3d600.042@mail.anderson.edu>

Or me; I'm waiting to hear how my RX-505 and 700ZXE are coming along and
the payment for the sale of my 1000ZXL.  E-mails unanswered, but I'm
still Enjoying the Music!

Kent Merideth

>>> kannan_s at vsnl.com 7/13/04 12:09:53 PM >>>
Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham
???)
kannan


----- Original Message -----
From: george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:59 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank

> No one said Stephen is no longer servicing Nakamichis. Someone asked
> the question "If you are all recommending ES Labs to do work on my
> deck, does that mean Stephen is no longer doing Naks?" And someone
> else who didin't bother to read the initial message carefully has
now
> blown it all out of proportion.
> 
> George
> 
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:57:32 +0700, Salim Marzuki
> <smarzuki at indosat.net.id> wrote:
> > 
> > Is that so ?  Why don't you give him a call ?  The last number I 
> see is
> > 505-332-0336 (last march).
> > 
> > Salim SM
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <TRANSPLATA at aol.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:34 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> > 
> > > To everyone:
> > > Somebody mentioned that Stephen Sanks no longer  serviced Naks 
> not to long
> > > ago. Can anybody verify this. My 700ZXL has mad cap  desease 
> and needs to
> > be
> > > sanktified
> > > Thanks for any input.
> > > Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 13 23:10:18 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:10:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <40F19707.8050309@shelbyvilledesign.com><005301c467ce$54bec990$80773242@CopyTech><6.1.2.0.2.20040712082150.02112ec0@pop.iquebec.com><518b7b104071207215be7ec8c@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.2.20040712113422.020f9ec0@pop.iquebec.com><004d01c468fe$298c29d0$66773242@CopyTech>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040713105732.023f6ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4691d$ce013450$3b773242@CopyTech>

Yes, perhaps you are one of the few "lucky" ones who have been bless with a
perfect working ZXL. I'm happy for you.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Denis" <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> Carlos,
>
> I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Marc
>
>
> At 13:23 2004/07/13, you wrote:
> >I'm really sorry, Marc, but I can never agree with your statement below.
> > >From all the decks I have ever had in my former collection of 20+
pieces,
> >both ZXL's , the 700 and 1000, has been a totally nightmare to keep
running
> >constantly. And I'm talking about almost "10" machines. The junkie ones,
as
> >the model at ebay, are even worst; forget it man !
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Marc Denis" <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:54 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
> >
> >
> >  The 1000ZXL certainly does not break more often than the Dragon or
> > > the CR-7.
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 13 23:13:20 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:13:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
References: <19068d31905876.190587619068d3@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <002301c4691e$3a1a6440$3b773242@CopyTech>

Good question ... I wonder why ... especially Gra' ... Ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank


> Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham ???)
> kannan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:59 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>
> > No one said Stephen is no longer servicing Nakamichis. Someone asked
> > the question "If you are all recommending ES Labs to do work on my
> > deck, does that mean Stephen is no longer doing Naks?" And someone
> > else who didin't bother to read the initial message carefully has now
> > blown it all out of proportion.
> >
> > George
> >
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:57:32 +0700, Salim Marzuki
> > <smarzuki at indosat.net.id> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is that so ?  Why don't you give him a call ?  The last number I
> > see is
> > > 505-332-0336 (last march).
> > >
> > > Salim SM
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <TRANSPLATA at aol.com>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:34 AM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> > >
> > > > To everyone:
> > > > Somebody mentioned that Stephen Sanks no longer  serviced Naks
> > not to long
> > > > ago. Can anybody verify this. My 700ZXL has mad cap  desease
> > and needs to
> > > be
> > > > sanktified
> > > > Thanks for any input.
> > > > Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
> > > >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 21:10:22 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:10:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <BAY2-F37z35ZgR1zRL20000fff1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV14GJ5OGQOu00018a3b@hotmail.com>

Shalom Neil!

No...you are wrong! I born in Lima/Peru, in 1963 I immigrated to Israel. I
will extremely pleased, when you so kindly can explain me exactly in "Plain
" English the mean of your words?
By the way...I just returned from being at one store and had the opportunity
to buy 7 Fuji DR-2-100 type 2 brand new cassettes for $: 0.50 each one! As
really I don't want to use those superb SA-X-100 that was received together
with the Dragon..., for give as a gift to my close friends. These Fuji
DR/2-100 it's also OK for me!!!

Regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> I thought you were Hebrew..living in Isreal.
>
>
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:43:44 +0200
> >
> >  Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
> >
> >Please...What you really mean? As my native language is Spanish!
> >
> >Thanks so much Neil,
> >
> >ALEX!
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:39 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >
> >
> > > Alex:
> > >
> > > Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
> > > >
> > > >When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one was
> >Revox
> > > >tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a Revox
> >A-700
> > > >and
> > > >my last one was a Crown 822.
> > > >I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700 Mk-1,
> >after
> > > >in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for an a
> >good
> > > >newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
> > > >I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received
> >Dragon!.
> > > >
> > > >Happy listening!
> > > >
> > > >ALEX!
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube
Roberts
> >1040
> > > > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open
reel
> > > >media
> > > > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any
> >naktalk
> > > > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of
the
> > > > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines side
by
> > > >side.
> > > > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, it
> >would
> > > > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking of
> > > >getting
> > > >a
> > > > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after
>25
> > > >years
> > > > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Brian
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Hi all,
> > > > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR
> >reported
> > > >the
> > > > > >>other
> > > > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track?
> > > >Strangely,
> > > > > >>the
> > > > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by low
> > > >prices
> > > > > >>for
> > > > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Fred
> > > > >
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Jul 13 20:56:57 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:56:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <18faa7d18fcd5b.18fcd5b18faa7d@vsnl.net>

Hi
 I have a wonderful CR 3A in its original box - condition is excellent ( because of bit of scratches - I cannot call it mint), fully aligned by me both heads and bias level calibration using original Nak calibration tapes and gauges. Now I can gaurantee its working for 6 months as well can calibrate it for a particular tape if you need - say Maxell XL II S !
Let me know - I can take pictures and send you the Digital photos. This deck is for a person who bought a CR 3 A earlier and he wanted one more deck ( I can check up with him before I say yes to you incase you want it). The price is 225$ + shipping ( double box - by fedex ground should be around 20$ max)
let me know what you think
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:52 am
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak

> A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my 
> recommendation) and 
> is really
> thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of 
> recording on 
> cassettes in
> the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record 
> tape to 
> tape
> from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a 
> CR-4A 
> to Dragon
> combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let 
> me know 
> directly.
> It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or 
> attended to by
> someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically 
> sophisticated and 
> could
> repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally 
> (Atlanta) as far as
> I know.)
> Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
> Mike Moore
> 
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Tue Jul 13 21:00:31 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:00:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
Message-ID: <18fb20018faa7c.18faa7c18fb200@vsnl.net>

Hi Bala
as Salim suggested - get the service manual first before trying anything and you would find answers easily provided you understand some basic Tape deck schematics. Good chance the power supply fuse or some regulating transistors may need replacement. Without schematics you will not be able to touch it.
kannan
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Well, I think this beau is going to be resigned to the RIP list like the Tandberg r2r decks? Those decks use a logic board based on an obsolete 12v logic IC. Looking at the schematics, I think it shouldnt be too much work designing a replacement circuit. But with the 1000ZXL, i dont know guys but I think we have to wake those engineers from retirement to come up with something. Also, today I hauled in up and powered it on. The small bulb on the cassette compartment lights up. And the 70uS indicator lights up. Thats it. I load a cassette, and nothing happens. I switch the eq switch but the indicator refuses to change. Even the vu display doesnt light up. Under the bonnnet, the motors are not turning. I have this fear that the power supply may have given the ghost as the power regulators are not warm. I see four power regulators and they are all stone cold. What could have gone wrong?
 
Regards, 
BG

El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
For me too and I'm much closer than you, Salim.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


>
> Considering the increasing amount of Naks that 'needs work', Stephen might
> be very busy indeed and backlogged on this Nak job ! I believe he's still
> accepting the work if you can contact him by phone. For me it's
> prohibitively expensive to send a deck to either NM or Conn.
>
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erie" 
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
>
>
> > I wouldn't even consider it now, as I already have next winters projects
> > lined up and the wife would kill
> > me if I bought any more when I get to it projects. Judging by everyones
> > response to send it to ESL, I take is
> > Stephen isn't doing Nak Service anymore?
> >
> > erie
> >
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<DIV>Well, I think this beau is going to be resigned to the RIP list like the Tandberg r2r decks? Those decks use a logic board based on an obsolete 12v logic IC. Looking at the schematics, I think it shouldnt be too much work designing a replacement circuit. But with the 1000ZXL, i dont know guys but I think we have to wake those engineers from retirement to come up with something. Also, today I hauled in up and powered it on. The small bulb on the cassette compartment lights up. And the 70uS indicator lights up. Thats it. I load a cassette, and nothing happens. I switch the eq switch but the indicator refuses to change. Even the vu display doesnt light up. Under the bonnnet, the motors are not turning. I have this fear that the power supply may have given the ghost as the power regulators are not warm. I see four power regulators and they are all stone cold. What could have gone wrong?</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards, </DIV>
<DIV>BG<BR><BR><B><I>El Magnifico &lt;copytec at coqui.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">For me too and I'm much closer than you, Salim.<BR><BR>Carlos<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Salim Marzuki" <SMARZUKI at INDOSAT.NET.ID><BR>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <NAKTALK at NAKS.COM><BR>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:52 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay<BR><BR><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Considering the increasing amount of Naks that 'needs work', Stephen might<BR>&gt; be very busy indeed and backlogged on this Nak job ! I believe he's still<BR>&gt; accepting the work if you can contact him by phone. For me it's<BR>&gt; prohibitively expensive to send a deck to either NM or Conn.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Salim SM<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; From: "erie" <ERIE at SHELBYVILLEDESIGN.COM><BR>&gt; To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <NAKTALK at NAKS.COM><BR>&gt; Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:38 PM<BR>&gt; Subject: Re: [naktalk!
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 zxl on ebay<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; I wouldn't even consider it now, as I already have next winters projects<BR>&gt; &gt; lined up and the wife would kill<BR>&gt; &gt; me if I bought any more when I get to it projects. Judging by everyones<BR>&gt; &gt; response to send it to ESL, I take is<BR>&gt; &gt; Stephen isn't doing Nak Service anymore?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; erie<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>========---------------------------------------------------------=========<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ========---------------------------------------------------------=========<BR>&gt; Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register<BR>&gt; ========---------------------------------------------------------=========<BR>&gt; Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist<BR>&gt; Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk<BR>&gt;
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul 13 21:31:27 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:31:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
In-Reply-To: <40F3F71E.3080407@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <000501c4690f$fda6a7c0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>

I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course, it's
no slouch as a recorder, too.)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael Moore
> Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
>
>
> A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
> is really
> thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
> cassettes in
> the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
> tape
> from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
> to Dragon
> combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
> directly.
> It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
> attended to by
> someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
> could
> repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
> (Atlanta) as far as
> I know.)
> Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
> Mike Moore
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul 13 21:31:29 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:31:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <002301c4691e$3a1a6440$3b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000601c4690f$fedc68a0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>

I resemble that comment!

Gra' :o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 13 July 2004 22:13
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> 
> 
> Good question ... I wonder why ... especially Gra' ... Ha !
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> 
> 
> > Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham ???)
> > kannan
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:59 am
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> >
> > > No one said Stephen is no longer servicing Nakamichis. Someone asked
> > > the question "If you are all recommending ES Labs to do work on my
> > > deck, does that mean Stephen is no longer doing Naks?" And someone
> > > else who didin't bother to read the initial message carefully has now
> > > blown it all out of proportion.
> > >
> > > George
> > 
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From cestmoi at att.net  Tue Jul 13 19:25:23 2004
From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:25:23 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <19068d31905876.190587619068d3@vsnl.net>
References: <19068d31905876.190587619068d3@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040713112339.01cc9ec0@postoffice.att.net>

I've had the same problem.  I find that calling him (505-332-0336) a few 
times during the day will usually get me in touch with him.  Apparently 
he's really busy.
--Richard

At 11:09 AM 7/13/2004, you wrote:
>Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham ???)
>kannan



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 20:57:58 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:57:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F38BofN2DzTWtT000067ad@hotmail.com>

Alex:

During WW2 my Uncle escaped Nazi Germany and was able to get to Lima, Peru.
I always got a kick out of telling friends that my Uncle was from Peru.
Did you know that just after the founding of Israel the national language 
was almost Yiddish, and not Hebrew? Bet ya didn't know that!

Neil


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:10:22 +0200
>
>Shalom Neil!
>
>No...you are wrong! I born in Lima/Peru, in 1963 I immigrated to Israel. I
>will extremely pleased, when you so kindly can explain me exactly in "Plain
>" English the mean of your words?
>By the way...I just returned from being at one store and had the 
>opportunity
>to buy 7 Fuji DR-2-100 type 2 brand new cassettes for $: 0.50 each one! As
>really I don't want to use those superb SA-X-100 that was received together
>with the Dragon..., for give as a gift to my close friends. These Fuji
>DR/2-100 it's also OK for me!!!
>
>Regards,
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:51 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>
>
> > I thought you were Hebrew..living in Isreal.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:43:44 +0200
> > >
> > >  Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
> > >
> > >Please...What you really mean? As my native language is Spanish!
> > >
> > >Thanks so much Neil,
> > >
> > >ALEX!
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:39 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Alex:
> > > >
> > > > Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
> > > > >
> > > > >When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one 
>was
> > >Revox
> > > > >tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a Revox
> > >A-700
> > > > >and
> > > > >my last one was a Crown 822.
> > > > >I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700 
>Mk-1,
> > >after
> > > > >in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for an 
>a
> > >good
> > > > >newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
> > > > >I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received
> > >Dragon!.
> > > > >
> > > > >Happy listening!
> > > > >
> > > > >ALEX!
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube
>Roberts
> > >1040
> > > > > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open
>reel
> > > > >media
> > > > > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neil
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
><naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there any
> > >naktalk
> > > > > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal of
>the
> > > > > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines 
>side
>by
> > > > >side.
> > > > > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, 
>it
> > >would
> > > > > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking 
>of
> > > > >getting
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible after
> >25
> > > > >years
> > > > > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Brian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>Hi all,
> > > > > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR
> > >reported
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >>other
> > > > > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 8-track?
> > > > >Strangely,
> > > > > > >>the
> > > > > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by 
>low
> > > > >prices
> > > > > > >>for
> > > > > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Fred
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 21:00:18 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:00:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <BAY2-F68qI4AAnzmsSC00018ee9@hotmail.com>

Ever hear of the phone?...a fellow named Bell gave his genius to us all.


>From: "Kent Merideth" <khmerideth at anderson.edu>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>, <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:30:29 -0500
>
>Or me; I'm waiting to hear how my RX-505 and 700ZXE are coming along and
>the payment for the sale of my 1000ZXL.  E-mails unanswered, but I'm
>still Enjoying the Music!
>
>Kent Merideth
>
> >>> kannan_s at vsnl.com 7/13/04 12:09:53 PM >>>
>Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham
>???)
>kannan
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com>
>Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:59 am
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>
> > No one said Stephen is no longer servicing Nakamichis. Someone asked
> > the question "If you are all recommending ES Labs to do work on my
> > deck, does that mean Stephen is no longer doing Naks?" And someone
> > else who didin't bother to read the initial message carefully has
>now
> > blown it all out of proportion.
> >
> > George
> >
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:57:32 +0700, Salim Marzuki
> > <smarzuki at indosat.net.id> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is that so ?  Why don't you give him a call ?  The last number I
> > see is
> > > 505-332-0336 (last march).
> > >
> > > Salim SM
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <TRANSPLATA at aol.com>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:34 AM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> > >
> > > > To everyone:
> > > > Somebody mentioned that Stephen Sanks no longer  serviced Naks
> > not to long
> > > > ago. Can anybody verify this. My 700ZXL has mad cap  desease
> > and needs to
> > > be
> > > > sanktified
> > > > Thanks for any input.
> > > > Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
> > > >
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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Tue Jul 13 21:38:33 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WME Drewes)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:38:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
References: <19068d31905876.190587619068d3@vsnl.net>
	<6.1.1.1.0.20040713112339.01cc9ec0@postoffice.att.net>
Message-ID: <00a101c46910$fc4e4e40$ca231ec4@drewescomp>

Me not tink vely cleva to give Mr.Sank telipone numba on internet.De whole
world will now phone him and he not able to do no woerk at all..Him need
vely much concentration ,no inteluption!
Wal


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From: "Richard Obenauf" <cestmoi at att.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank


> I've had the same problem.  I find that calling him (505-332-0336) a few
> times during the day will usually get me in touch with him.  Apparently
> he's really busy.
> --Richard
>
> At 11:09 AM 7/13/2004, you wrote:
> >Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham ???)
> >kannan
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 23:49:51 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:49:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <000501c4690f$fda6a7c0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV11JEL845tl00019a77@hotmail.com>

Yes Graham!, The "Biggest" feature of the Dragon...is that CAN ply back
tapes recorded on others units, not necessary Nak's, however older ones type
"Two-Heads"...which NOT imperative the Rec/Play combination head is 100%
aligned! I once buy a Teak 450 deck top loading, that you can "Guard" or
"Kept"...on the top at list 6 cassettes for be much more easy changing among
them, and as was a "Two Head"...I acquired used and the previous owner move
the alignment..., NOW...after more of 3 decades I'm happy that with my
Dragon such cassette is listenable! Only for information to all of you!!!
the "Real" Dragon's feature!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


> I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
> from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
> Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,
it's
> no slouch as a recorder, too.)
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> >
> > A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
> > is really
> > thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
> > cassettes in
> > the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
> > tape
> > from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
> > to Dragon
> > combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> > If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
> > directly.
> > It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
> > attended to by
> > someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
> > could
> > repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
> > (Atlanta) as far as
> > I know.)
> > Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
> > Mike Moore
> >
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 23:53:12 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:53:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
References: <BAY2-F38BofN2DzTWtT000067ad@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12pcMW0ay100019383@hotmail.com>

Amazing...Neil! Thanks so much for your heart fully information!

Regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


> Alex:
>
> During WW2 my Uncle escaped Nazi Germany and was able to get to Lima,
Peru.
> I always got a kick out of telling friends that my Uncle was from Peru.
> Did you know that just after the founding of Israel the national language
> was almost Yiddish, and not Hebrew? Bet ya didn't know that!
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:10:22 +0200
> >
> >Shalom Neil!
> >
> >No...you are wrong! I born in Lima/Peru, in 1963 I immigrated to Israel.
I
> >will extremely pleased, when you so kindly can explain me exactly in
"Plain
> >" English the mean of your words?
> >By the way...I just returned from being at one store and had the
> >opportunity
> >to buy 7 Fuji DR-2-100 type 2 brand new cassettes for $: 0.50 each one!
As
> >really I don't want to use those superb SA-X-100 that was received
together
> >with the Dragon..., for give as a gift to my close friends. These Fuji
> >DR/2-100 it's also OK for me!!!
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >ALEX!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:51 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >
> >
> > > I thought you were Hebrew..living in Isreal.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:43:44 +0200
> > > >
> > > >  Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
> > > >
> > > >Please...What you really mean? As my native language is Spanish!
> > > >
> > > >Thanks so much Neil,
> > > >
> > > >ALEX!
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:39 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Alex:
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > > > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
> > > > > >
> > > > > >When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one
> >was
> > > >Revox
> > > > > >tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a
Revox
> > > >A-700
> > > > > >and
> > > > > >my last one was a Crown 822.
> > > > > >I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700
> >Mk-1,
> > > >after
> > > > > >in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for
an
> >a
> > > >good
> > > > > >newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
> > > > > >I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received
> > > >Dragon!.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Happy listening!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >ALEX!
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube
> >Roberts
> > > >1040
> > > > > > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open
> >reel
> > > > > >media
> > > > > > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> ><naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there
any
> > > >naktalk
> > > > > > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal
of
> >the
> > > > > > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines
> >side
> >by
> > > > > >side.
> > > > > > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay,
> >it
> > > >would
> > > > > > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking
> >of
> > > > > >getting
> > > > > >a
> > > > > > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible
after
> > >25
> > > > > >years
> > > > > > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Brian
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>Hi all,
> > > > > > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR
> > > >reported
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >>other
> > > > > > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the
8-track?
> > > > > >Strangely,
> > > > > > > >>the
> > > > > > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by
> >low
> > > > > >prices
> > > > > > > >>for
> > > > > > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>Fred
> > > > > > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jul 13 23:33:12 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:33:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <00a101c46910$fc4e4e40$ca231ec4@drewescomp>
Message-ID: <001901c46920$ffb15c20$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>

No worries - he'll change the number and go ex-directory!  :o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of WME Drewes
> Sent: 13 July 2004 20:39
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>
>
> Me not tink vely cleva to give Mr.Sank telipone numba on internet.De whole
> world will now phone him and he not able to do no woerk at all..Him need
> vely much concentration ,no inteluption!
> Wal
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Obenauf" <cestmoi at att.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>
>
> > I've had the same problem.  I find that calling him (505-332-0336) a few
> > times during the day will usually get me in touch with him.  Apparently
> > he's really busy.
> > --Richard
> >
> > At 11:09 AM 7/13/2004, you wrote:
> > >Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham ???)
> > >kannan
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul 13 21:39:06 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:39:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
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From Jo2jo64 at aol.com  Tue Jul 13 21:47:35 2004
From: Jo2jo64 at aol.com (Jo2jo64 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:47:35 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
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i aglee!
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 22:23:06 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:23:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <000d01c4691d$ce013450$3b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <20040713202306.1047.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,  
 
            Its 4am here I have just about strippped another of my misbehaving Naks - A 700.  As Kanna said, I dont think there's much I can do without the schematic. Anyone has a copy of it? Or where I do I order it. I got a source here, a German website suggested by another member here. I might get it there, if all else fails. I've just has a painful night with cassettes- a reminder why I decided to move into to r2r. Years back, when I used a Aiwa F990, I simply loved the sound. It was warm, a little coloured. But it was very nice. And there was a slight roll off at the very high freq. But it was ok. Tonight, well letting my 1000ZXL bake, I turned on the 700 and the sound wasnt too bad. But at times, the deck stopped playing. I hit the play button, it plays for a few seconds then stops. And there seems to be quite a bit of noise, while I play a blank tape. So while in the mood, I powered up my 680 and did some recording on it, A total disappointment. Dad just got this deck for a
 small sum - perfectly working . But during recording, when I switch to monitor tape, the sound was very rolled off on the high frequencies- like I was recording with a filthy dirty head. But I checked all my settings, and scrubbed the heads spanking clean. When I play older pre-recorded, the highs seem ok, so no worn heads here. Then I switch to a DR10. The DR10 exhibited a very tinny sound. Was still slightly rolled off, and the sound wasnt impressive at all. Gosh I am just getting so exasperated with my bunch of misbehaving naks. 
 
BG
 
P.S In case all those pros out there point at the blank I used, I opened a new TDK MA-X 60. 

El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
Yes, perhaps you are one of the few "lucky" ones who have been bless with a
perfect working ZXL. I'm happy for you.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Denis" 
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


> Carlos,
>
> I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Marc
>
>
> At 13:23 2004/07/13, you wrote:
> >I'm really sorry, Marc, but I can never agree with your statement below.
> > >From all the decks I have ever had in my former collection of 20+
pieces,
> >both ZXL's , the 700 and 1000, has been a totally nightmare to keep
running
> >constantly. And I'm talking about almost "10" machines. The junkie ones,
as
> >the model at ebay, are even worst; forget it man !
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Marc Denis" 
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
> >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:54 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
> >
> >
> > The 1000ZXL certainly does not break more often than the Dragon or
> > > the CR-7.
> >
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From cestmoi at att.net  Tue Jul 13 23:44:36 2004
From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:44:36 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <00a101c46910$fc4e4e40$ca231ec4@drewescomp>
References: <19068d31905876.190587619068d3@vsnl.net>
	<6.1.1.1.0.20040713112339.01cc9ec0@postoffice.att.net>
	<00a101c46910$fc4e4e40$ca231ec4@drewescomp>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040713153408.01ba5fe0@postoffice.att.net>

Is this a joke?

If you don't already know about http://www.stephensank.com, the first hit 
on google for "Stephen Sank" will take you here, where you can learn all 
sorts of ways of keeping him busy:

http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm

Naktalk is a limited list of people who deal with people like Steve.  He's 
the one who has posted his number on the internet; I've simply reminded a 
few of his customers (and potential customers) of it.  If you haven't had 
the pleasure of doing business with him, I can highly recommend his work, 
not only on Naks but also on ribbon microphones and on pretty much every 
kind of high-end electronic.  He's also a super-nice guy.

--Richard

At 01:38 PM 7/13/2004, you wrote:
>Me not tink vely cleva to give Mr.Sank telipone numba on internet.De whole
>world will now phone him and he not able to do no woerk at all..Him need
>vely much concentration ,no inteluption!
>Wal



From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jul 14 03:16:51 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:51 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <000501c4690f$fda6a7c0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001c01c46940$3ff65c30$81773242@CopyTech>

Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use
the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


> I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
> from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
> Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,
it's
> no slouch as a recorder, too.)
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> >
> > A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
> > is really
> > thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
> > cassettes in
> > the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
> > tape
> > from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
> > to Dragon
> > combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> > If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
> > directly.
> > It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
> > attended to by
> > someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
> > could
> > repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
> > (Atlanta) as far as
> > I know.)
> > Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
> > Mike Moore
> >
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jul 14 03:17:40 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:17:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
References: <000601c4690f$fedc68a0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002001c46940$5c229450$81773242@CopyTech>

Oohhh, poor Gra !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank


> I resemble that comment!
>
> Gra' :o)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > Sent: 13 July 2004 22:13
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> >
> >
> > Good question ... I wonder why ... especially Gra' ... Ha !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> >
> >
> > > Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham
???)
> > > kannan
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:59 am
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> > >
> > > > No one said Stephen is no longer servicing Nakamichis. Someone asked
> > > > the question "If you are all recommending ES Labs to do work on my
> > > > deck, does that mean Stephen is no longer doing Naks?" And someone
> > > > else who didin't bother to read the initial message carefully has
now
> > > > blown it all out of proportion.
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> > > > George
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jul 14 03:24:21 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:24:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
References: <20040713202306.1047.qmail@web41414.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005201c46941$4c767980$81773242@CopyTech>

Don't get discoraged, Bala. Welcome to the world of old decks collecting. We are dealing with over 20 years old components and unfortunately they need all our attention, time and money to keep'em running.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bala Ganesh Chandra 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


  Hi everyone,  

              Its 4am here I have just about strippped another of my misbehaving Naks - A 700.  As Kanna said, I dont think there's much I can do without the schematic. Anyone has a copy of it? Or where I do I order it. I got a source here, a German website suggested by another member here. I might get it there, if all else fails. I've just has a painful night with cassettes- a reminder why I decided to move into to r2r. Years back, when I used a Aiwa F990, I simply loved the sound. It was warm, a little coloured. But it was very nice. And there was a slight roll off at the very high freq. But it was ok. Tonight, well letting my 1000ZXL bake, I turned on the 700 and the sound wasnt too bad. But at times, the deck stopped playing. I hit the play button, it plays for a few seconds then stops. And there seems to be quite a bit of noise, while I play a blank tape. So while in the mood, I powered up my 680 and di! d some recording on it, A total disappointment. Dad just got this deck for a small sum - perfectly working . But during recording, when I switch to monitor tape, the sound was very rolled off on the high frequencies- like I was recording with a filthy dirty head. But I checked all my settings, and scrubbed the heads spanking clean. When I play older pre-recorded, the highs seem ok, so no worn heads here. Then I switch to a DR10. The DR10 exhibited a very tinny sound. Was still slightly rolled off, and the sound wasnt impressive at all. Gosh I am just getting so exasperated with my bunch of misbehaving naks. 

  BG

  P.S In case all those pros out there point at the blank I used, I opened a new TDK MA-X 60. 

  El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
    Yes, perhaps you are one of the few "lucky" ones who have been bless with a
    perfect working ZXL. I'm happy for you.

    Carlos

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Marc Denis" 
    To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
    Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:59 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


    > Carlos,
    >
    > I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > -Marc
    >
    >
    > At 13:23 2004/07/13, you wrote:
    > >I'm really sorry, Marc, but I can never agree with your statement below.
    > > >From all the decks I have ever had in my former collection of 20+
    pieces,
    > >both ZXL's , the 700 and 1000, has been a totally nightmare to keep
    running
    > >constantly. And I'm talking about almost "10" machines. T! he junkie ones,
    as
    > >the model at ebay, are even worst; forget it man !
    > >
    > >Carlos
    > >
    > >----- Original Message -----
    > >From: "Marc Denis" 
    > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
    > >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:54 AM
    > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
    > >
    > >
    > > The 1000ZXL certainly does not break more often than the Dragon or
    > > > the CR-7.
    > >
    >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 00:20:22 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:20:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040713153408.01ba5fe0@postoffice.att.net>
Message-ID: <003101c46927$96b805a0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>

Hey, may be we should have a poll of our all time favourite Nakamichi
engineers ...

Points out of 0 to 5, where ...

0=He should leave the planet NOW
1=If I wasn't such a nice person I'd take out a contract on the S.O.B.
2=On balance, I'm a bit p###d off
3=On balance, I'm a happy bunny
4=He's my main man!
5=If I was a girl I'd want to marry him and have his children
6=I'm not saying in case I get sued.

for ...

Workmanship
Reliability
Guarantee
Aftersales service
Availability
	-	telephone
	-	e-mail
Just being a nice guy to do business with
Helpfulness
Generosity
Pricing
Speed of service
Honesty
Pays his debts

(Have I miseed any attributes?)


Oh, this could be fun ....

Gremlin (I ate after midnight) Grinham Graham



> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Richard Obenauf
> Sent: 13 July 2004 22:45
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>
>
> Is this a joke?
>
> If you don't already know about http://www.stephensank.com, the first hit
> on google for "Stephen Sank" will take you here, where you can learn all
> sorts of ways of keeping him busy:
>
> http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm
>
> Naktalk is a limited list of people who deal with people like
> Steve.  He's
> the one who has posted his number on the internet; I've simply reminded a
> few of his customers (and potential customers) of it.  If you haven't had
> the pleasure of doing business with him, I can highly recommend his work,
> not only on Naks but also on ribbon microphones and on pretty much every
> kind of high-end electronic.  He's also a super-nice guy.
>
> --Richard
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 00:22:42 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:22:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <002001c46940$5c229450$81773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <003701c46927$e9f057e0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>

Don't get me going or I'll end up all bitter and twisted!

Grinham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 14 July 2004 02:18
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>
>
> Oohhh, poor Gra !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>
>
> > I resemble that comment!
> >
> > Gra' :o)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of El Magnifico
> > > Sent: 13 July 2004 22:13
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> > >
> > >
> > > Good question ... I wonder why ... especially Gra' ... Ha !
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:09 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> > >
> > >
> > > > Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham
> ???)
> > > > kannan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: george valkov <george.valkov at gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:59 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> > > >
> > > > > No one said Stephen is no longer servicing Nakamichis.
> Someone asked
> > > > > the question "If you are all recommending ES Labs to do work on my
> > > > > deck, does that mean Stephen is no longer doing Naks?" And someone
> > > > > else who didin't bother to read the initial message carefully has
> now
> > > > > blown it all out of proportion.
> > > > >
> > > > > George
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Jul 14 01:12:44 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:12:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F38BofN2DzTWtT000067ad@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F38BofN2DzTWtT000067ad@hotmail.com>
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neil lipes wrote:

> Alex:
>
> During WW2 my Uncle escaped Nazi Germany and was able to get to Lima, 
> Peru.
> I always got a kick out of telling friends that my Uncle was from Peru.
> Did you know that just after the founding of Israel the national 
> language was almost Yiddish, and not Hebrew? Bet ya didn't know that! 


Neil, where did you hear that? Not only did I not know this, but I
seriously doubt it. One of the mainstays of the emerging Israel (circa
1948) was the emphasis on returning to original language of the Jewish
people -- Hebrew. Hebrew was the language heard 'on the street'.
Only a small faction (orthodox religious) and old people spoke Yiddish.
The orthodox wanted Yiddish because, to them, Hebrew was too holy
to be the commonly used language. No one else took them seriously.
This is well documented. 

-- Ron


>
>
> Neil
>
>
>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:10:22 +0200
>>
>> Shalom Neil!
>>
>> No...you are wrong! I born in Lima/Peru, in 1963 I immigrated to 
>> Israel. I
>> will extremely pleased, when you so kindly can explain me exactly in 
>> "Plain
>> " English the mean of your words?
>> By the way...I just returned from being at one store and had the 
>> opportunity
>> to buy 7 Fuji DR-2-100 type 2 brand new cassettes for $: 0.50 each 
>> one! As
>> really I don't want to use those superb SA-X-100 that was received 
>> together
>> with the Dragon..., for give as a gift to my close friends. These Fuji
>> DR/2-100 it's also OK for me!!!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ALEX!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>
>>
>> > I thought you were Hebrew..living in Isreal.
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>> > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:43:44 +0200
>> > >
>> > >  Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
>> > >
>> > >Please...What you really mean? As my native language is Spanish!
>> > >
>> > >Thanks so much Neil,
>> > >
>> > >ALEX!
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:39 AM
>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Alex:
>> > > >
>> > > > Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>> > > > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
>> > > > >
>> > > > >When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first 
>> one was
>> > >Revox
>> > > > >tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a 
>> Revox
>> > >A-700
>> > > > >and
>> > > > >my last one was a Crown 822.
>> > > > >I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 
>> 700 Mk-1,
>> > >after
>> > > > >in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting 
>> for an a
>> > >good
>> > > > >newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
>> > > > >I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received
>> > >Dragon!.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Happy listening!
>> > > > >
>> > > > >ALEX!
>> > > > >----- Original Message -----
>> > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>> > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube
>> Roberts
>> > >1040
>> > > > > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open
>> reel
>> > > > >media
>> > > > > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Neil
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
>> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>> <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there 
>> any
>> > >naktalk
>> > > > > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow 
>> appeal of
>> the
>> > > > > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching 
>> machines side
>> by
>> > > > >side.
>> > > > > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the 
>> bay, it
>> > >would
>> > > > > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am 
>> thinking of
>> > > > >getting
>> > > > >a
>> > > > > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible 
>> after
>> >25
>> > > > >years
>> > > > > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Brian
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >>Hi all,
>> > > > > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR
>> > >reported
>> > > > >the
>> > > > > > >>other
>> > > > > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 
>> 8-track?
>> > > > >Strangely,
>> > > > > > >>the
>> > > > > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive 
>> by low
>> > > > >prices
>> > > > > > >>for
>> > > > > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >>Fred
>> > > > > > 
>





From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jul 14 01:28:59 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:28:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <18fcd0e18f98af.18f98af18fcd0e@vsnl.net>

Richard 
Fotunately you do not have my experience. An email should be as good as a Phone call from a friend ( if you happened to have been one!!!) I would not disturb somebody who does not want to reply my email !!!!
Kannan
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Obenauf <cestmoi at att.net>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank

> Is this a joke?
> 
> If you don't already know about http://www.stephensank.com, the 
> first hit 
> on google for "Stephen Sank" will take you here, where you can 
> learn all 
> sorts of ways of keeping him busy:
> 
> http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm
> 
> Naktalk is a limited list of people who deal with people like 
> Steve.  He's 
> the one who has posted his number on the internet; I've simply 
> reminded a 
> few of his customers (and potential customers) of it.  If you 
> haven't had 
> the pleasure of doing business with him, I can highly recommend 
> his work, 
> not only on Naks but also on ribbon microphones and on pretty much 
> every 
> kind of high-end electronic.  He's also a super-nice guy.
> 
> --Richard
> 
> At 01:38 PM 7/13/2004, you wrote:
> >Me not tink vely cleva to give Mr.Sank telipone numba on 
> internet.De whole
> >world will now phone him and he not able to do no woerk at 
> all..Him need
> >vely much concentration ,no inteluption!
> >Wal
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jul 14 01:33:40 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:33:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <18fbde818fee4b.18fee4b18fbde8@vsnl.net>

Gra 
you might find more if you take your regular scotch and think!
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:20 pm
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank

> Hey, may be we should have a poll of our all time favourite Nakamichi
> engineers ...
> 
> Points out of 0 to 5, where ...
> 
> 0=He should leave the planet NOW
> 1=If I wasn't such a nice person I'd take out a contract on the S.O.B.
> 2=On balance, I'm a bit p###d off
> 3=On balance, I'm a happy bunny
> 4=He's my main man!
> 5=If I was a girl I'd want to marry him and have his children
> 6=I'm not saying in case I get sued.
> 
> for ...
> 
> Workmanship
> Reliability
> Guarantee
> Aftersales service
> Availability
> 	-	telephone
> 	-	e-mail
> Just being a nice guy to do business with
> Helpfulness
> Generosity
> Pricing
> Speed of service
> Honesty
> Pays his debts
> 
> (Have I miseed any attributes?)
> 
> 
> Oh, this could be fun ....
> 
> Gremlin (I ate after midnight) Grinham Graham
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Richard Obenauf
> > Sent: 13 July 2004 22:45
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> >
> >
> > Is this a joke?
> >
> > If you don't already know about http://www.stephensank.com, the 
> first hit
> > on google for "Stephen Sank" will take you here, where you can 
> learn all
> > sorts of ways of keeping him busy:
> >
> > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm
> >
> > Naktalk is a limited list of people who deal with people like
> > Steve.  He's
> > the one who has posted his number on the internet; I've simply 
> reminded a
> > few of his customers (and potential customers) of it.  If you 
> haven't had
> > the pleasure of doing business with him, I can highly recommend 
> his work,
> > not only on Naks but also on ribbon microphones and on pretty 
> much every
> > kind of high-end electronic.  He's also a super-nice guy.
> >
> > --Richard
> >
> >
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jul 14 01:34:35 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:34:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
Message-ID: <19103561912b48.1912b481910356@vsnl.net>

No wonder all nak collectors think of more than one Nak in their stable.
kannan
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Don't get discoraged, Bala. Welcome to the world of old decks =
collecting. We are dealing with over 20 years old components and =
unfortunately they need all our attention, time and money to keep'em =
running.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bala Ganesh Chandra=20
  To: naktalk at naks.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


  Hi everyone, =20

              Its 4am here I have just about strippped another of my =
misbehaving Naks - A 700.  As Kanna said, I dont think there's much I =
can do without the schematic. Anyone has a copy of it? Or where I do I =
order it. I got a source here, a German website suggested by another =
member here. I might get it there, if all else fails. I've just has a =
painful night with cassettes- a reminder why I decided to move into to =
r2r. Years back, when I used a Aiwa F990, I simply loved the sound. It =
was warm, a little coloured. But it was very nice. And there was a =
slight roll off at the very high freq. But it was ok. Tonight, well =
letting my 1000ZXL bake, I turned on the 700 and the sound wasnt too =
bad. But at times, the deck stopped playing. I hit the play button, it =
plays for a few seconds then stops. And there seems to be quite a bit of =
noise, while I play a blank tape. So while in the mood, I powered up my =
680 and di! d some recording on it, A total disappointment. Dad just got =
this deck for a small sum - perfectly working . But during recording, =
when I switch to monitor tape, the sound was very rolled off on the high =
frequencies- like I was recording with a filthy dirty head. But I =
checked all my settings, and scrubbed the heads spanking clean. When I =
play older pre-recorded, the highs seem ok, so no worn heads here. Then =
I switch to a DR10. The DR10 exhibited a very tinny sound. Was still =
slightly rolled off, and the sound wasnt impressive at all. Gosh I am =
just getting so exasperated with my bunch of misbehaving naks.=20

  BG

  P.S In case all those pros out there point at the blank I used, I =
opened a new TDK MA-X 60.=20

  El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net> wrote:
    Yes, perhaps you are one of the few "lucky" ones who have been bless =
with a
    perfect working ZXL. I'm happy for you.

    Carlos

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: "Marc Denis"=20
    To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:59 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay


    > Carlos,
    >
    > I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > -Marc
    >
    >
    > At 13:23 2004/07/13, you wrote:
    > >I'm really sorry, Marc, but I can never agree with your statement =
below.
    > > >From all the decks I have ever had in my former collection of =
20+
    pieces,
    > >both ZXL's , the 700 and 1000, has been a totally nightmare to =
keep
    running
    > >constantly. And I'm talking about almost "10" machines. T! he =
junkie ones,
    as
    > >the model at ebay, are even worst; forget it man !
    > >
    > >Carlos
    > >
    > >----- Original Message -----
    > >From: "Marc Denis"=20
    > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"=20
    > >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:54 AM
    > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
    > >
    > >
    > > The 1000ZXL certainly does not break more often than the Dragon =
or
    > > > the CR-7.
    > >
    >
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl =
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Hi everyone,&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  =
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Its=20
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A=20
  700.&nbsp; As Kanna said, I dont think there's much I can do without =
the=20
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source=20
  here, a German website suggested by another member here. I might get =
it there,=20
  if all else fails. I've just has a painful night with cassettes- a =
reminder=20
  why I decided to move into to r2r. Years back, when I used a Aiwa =
F990, I=20
  simply loved the sound. It was warm, a little coloured. But it was =
very nice.=20
  And there was a slight roll off at the very high freq. But it was ok. =
Tonight,=20
  well letting my 1000ZXL bake, I turned on the 700 and the sound wasnt =
too bad.=20
  But at times, the deck stopped playing. I hit the play button, it =
plays for a=20
  few seconds then stops. And there seems to be quite a bit of noise, =
while I=20
  play a blank tape.&nbsp;So while in the mood, I powered up my 680 and =
di! d=20
  some recording on it, A total disappointment.&nbsp;Dad just got this =
deck for=20
  a small sum - perfectly working . But during recording, when I switch =
to=20
  monitor tape, the sound was very rolled off on the high frequencies- =
like I=20
  was recording with a filthy dirty head. But I checked all my settings, =
and=20
  scrubbed the heads spanking clean. When I play older pre-recorded, the =
highs=20
  seem ok, so no worn heads here. Then I switch to a DR10. The DR10 =
exhibited a=20
  very tinny sound. Was still slightly rolled off, and the sound wasnt=20
  impressive at all. Gosh I am just getting so exasperated with my bunch =
of=20
  misbehaving naks. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>BG</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>P.S In case all those pros out there point at the blank I used, I =
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Wed Jul 14 02:22:41 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:22:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
In-Reply-To: <000501c4690f$fda6a7c0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>
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I would suggest the same. Play on the Dragon to get as much as possible out 
of the tape and record with the CR-4 after proper calibration with the 
built-in test tones.

Cheers!

-Marc

At 15:31 2004/07/13, you wrote:
>I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
>from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
>Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course, it's
>no slouch as a recorder, too.)
>
>Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> >
> > A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
> > is really
> > thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
> > cassettes in
> > the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
> > tape
> > from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
> > to Dragon
> > combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> > If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
> > directly.
> > It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
> > attended to by
> > someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
> > could
> > repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
> > (Atlanta) as far as
> > I know.)
> > Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
> > Mike Moore
> >
> >
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Jul 14 03:10:07 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:10:07 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
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Walter, the number's right below his name on his posts !  =)  Now that it'll
be more difficult to get results from Bell, let's hope we won't be needing
Ford's or Wright's invention to get in touch with him.

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "WME Drewes" <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank


> Me not tink vely cleva to give Mr.Sank telipone numba on internet.De whole
> world will now phone him and he not able to do no woerk at all..Him need
> vely much concentration ,no inteluption!
> Wal
>
>




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 06:39:33 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:39:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
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	<40F46C6C.7020002@rcn.com>
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Thanks Ron, for your expertise reply!...BRAVO!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?


>
> neil lipes wrote:
>
> > Alex:
> >
> > During WW2 my Uncle escaped Nazi Germany and was able to get to Lima,
> > Peru.
> > I always got a kick out of telling friends that my Uncle was from Peru.
> > Did you know that just after the founding of Israel the national
> > language was almost Yiddish, and not Hebrew? Bet ya didn't know that!
>
>
> Neil, where did you hear that? Not only did I not know this, but I
> seriously doubt it. One of the mainstays of the emerging Israel (circa
> 1948) was the emphasis on returning to original language of the Jewish
> people -- Hebrew. Hebrew was the language heard 'on the street'.
> Only a small faction (orthodox religious) and old people spoke Yiddish.
> The orthodox wanted Yiddish because, to them, Hebrew was too holy
> to be the commonly used language. No one else took them seriously.
> This is well documented.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> >
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:10:22 +0200
> >>
> >> Shalom Neil!
> >>
> >> No...you are wrong! I born in Lima/Peru, in 1963 I immigrated to
> >> Israel. I
> >> will extremely pleased, when you so kindly can explain me exactly in
> >> "Plain
> >> " English the mean of your words?
> >> By the way...I just returned from being at one store and had the
> >> opportunity
> >> to buy 7 Fuji DR-2-100 type 2 brand new cassettes for $: 0.50 each
> >> one! As
> >> really I don't want to use those superb SA-X-100 that was received
> >> together
> >> with the Dragon..., for give as a gift to my close friends. These Fuji
> >> DR/2-100 it's also OK for me!!!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> ALEX!
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:51 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >>
> >>
> >> > I thought you were Hebrew..living in Isreal.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >> > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:43:44 +0200
> >> > >
> >> > >  Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
> >> > >
> >> > >Please...What you really mean? As my native language is Spanish!
> >> > >
> >> > >Thanks so much Neil,
> >> > >
> >> > >ALEX!
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:39 AM
> >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Alex:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >> > > > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first
> >> one was
> >> > >Revox
> >> > > > >tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a
> >> Revox
> >> > >A-700
> >> > > > >and
> >> > > > >my last one was a Crown 822.
> >> > > > >I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak
> >> 700 Mk-1,
> >> > >after
> >> > > > >in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting
> >> for an a
> >> > >good
> >> > > > >newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
> >> > > > >I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my
received
> >> > >Dragon!.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Happy listening!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >ALEX!
> >> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> >> > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
> >> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube
> >> Roberts
> >> > >1040
> >> > > > > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire
open
> >> reel
> >> > > > >media
> >> > > > > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Neil
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
> >> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >> <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
> >> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there
> >> any
> >> > >naktalk
> >> > > > > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow
> >> appeal of
> >> the
> >> > > > > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching
> >> machines side
> >> by
> >> > > > >side.
> >> > > > > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the
> >> bay, it
> >> > >would
> >> > > > > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am
> >> thinking of
> >> > > > >getting
> >> > > > >a
> >> > > > > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible
> >> after
> >> >25
> >> > > > >years
> >> > > > > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >Brian
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >>Hi all,
> >> > > > > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR
> >> > >reported
> >> > > > >the
> >> > > > > > >>other
> >> > > > > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the
> >> 8-track?
> >> > > > >Strangely,
> >> > > > > > >>the
> >> > > > > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive
> >> by low
> >> > > > >prices
> >> > > > > > >>for
> >> > > > > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Fred
> >> > > > > >
> >
>
>
>
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Wed Jul 14 00:15:18 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:15:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
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From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:53:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Wed Jul 14 00:58:04 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:58:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jul 14 00:18:49 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:18:49 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <20040713221848.ISFK16724.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net>

Oh, so if I had a CR-7A (which I do) and a Dragon, I would use the CR-7A as the playback?  ;-)


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/07/13 Tue PM 09:16:51 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> 
> Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use
> the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> 
> 
> > I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
> > from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
> > Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,
> it's
> > no slouch as a recorder, too.)
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> > >
> > >
> > > A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
> > > is really
> > > thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
> > > cassettes in
> > > the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
> > > tape
> > > from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
> > > to Dragon
> > > combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> > > If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
> > > directly.
> > > It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
> > > attended to by
> > > someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
> > > could
> > > repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
> > > (Atlanta) as far as
> > > I know.)
> > > Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
> > > Mike Moore
> > >
> > >
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From TRANSPLATA at aol.com  Wed Jul 14 01:06:15 2004
From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:06:15 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <12a.46143396.2e25c4e7@aol.com>

Thank you for all your replies.Managed to speak with Stephen Sank and he  
informed me that he  has a 60 day waiting period for my 700ZXL
Many regards,
Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
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From cestmoi at att.net  Wed Jul 14 01:28:35 2004
From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:28:35 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <003101c46927$96b805a0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>
References: <6.1.1.1.0.20040713153408.01ba5fe0@postoffice.att.net>
	<003101c46927$96b805a0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040713171517.01cf4ec0@postoffice.att.net>

Although this seems like a risky little game to play, I have enough 
experience working with Steve over the past few years that I feel like I 
can stand behind this evaluation:

Workmanship - 4.5
Reliability - 4.5
Guarantee - 5
Aftersales service - 5
Availability
         -       telephone - 3
         -       e-mail - 2
Just being a nice guy to do business with - 5+
Helpfulness - 5+
Generosity - 5
Pricing - 4.5
Speed of service - 3
Honesty - 5
Pays his debts - I certainly consider him a friend, if that's what you mean

--Richard

At 04:20 PM 7/13/2004, you wrote:
>Hey, may be we should have a poll of our all time favourite Nakamichi
>engineers ...
>
>Points out of 0 to 5, where ...
>
>0=He should leave the planet NOW
>1=If I wasn't such a nice person I'd take out a contract on the S.O.B.
>2=On balance, I'm a bit p###d off
>3=On balance, I'm a happy bunny
>4=He's my main man!
>5=If I was a girl I'd want to marry him and have his children
>6=I'm not saying in case I get sued.



From jochi at qwest.net  Wed Jul 14 02:37:47 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:47 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
References: <BAY2-F37i5ww5e7TgW500011d55@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701c4693a$c94b6e40$0500000a@uswest.net>

Neil:

I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT) you
mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is more
present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it before
playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the stuff
helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on using
the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the THT.

Regards,
Jon



From erie at shelbyvilledesign.com  Wed Jul 14 03:33:13 2004
From: erie at shelbyvilledesign.com (erie)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:33:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <002b01c4693f$4dc79c80$2a299bca@aisha>
References: <19068d31905876.190587619068d3@vsnl.net>	<6.1.1.1.0.20040713112339.01cc9ec0@postoffice.att.net>	<00a101c46910$fc4e4e40$ca231ec4@drewescomp>
	<002b01c4693f$4dc79c80$2a299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <40F48D59.4070908@shelbyvilledesign.com>

Salim,
You are obviously not a pilot, any excuse to go flying is a good one....


erie


Salim Marzuki wrote:

>Walter, the number's right below his name on his posts !  =)  Now that it'll
>be more difficult to get results from Bell, let's hope we won't be needing
>Ford's or Wright's invention to get in touch with him.
>
>  
>



From mdevera at compuserve.com  Wed Jul 14 04:22:52 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:22:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
In-Reply-To: <40F43A5A.6070909@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <005201c46949$77673c80$1f01000a@c994264f>

A few comments from over here .. I know that it would be optimal to adjust
bias and record level by ear. Most of the Nakkers here with a relatively
good ear can do bias/level by ear - or some of the the penchant for deeper
electronics background can use a multi-tester.
 
I for one can do it by ear, but was always curious how close can a Nak deck
do it electronically. The CR-7a has auto calibration, and it's been
consistently spot-on in adjusting bias and level. A CR-4a has the same
technology, but requires hand tuning, but the LED meters are there to "dial
it in". Some of the older decks such as the ZX-9 and ZX-7 has the 40hz and
15kHz tones to do a bias/level by LED meters. I have been advised to stay
within those models due to age and parts availability. 
 
Moreover, since CR-7a has the auto calibration, that would be the crème of
the crop. A CR-4a has a great record head, bias/level meter, and a very nice
looking profile. I've owned a DR-1, DR-8 and a DR-10 in the past - These
newer crop of decks do not have the bias/level meters, but quite tunable by
ear, which is a time-consuming, and maybe daunting for a newbie .. 
 
Forgive me, if I do not mention the 682ZX, but I for one have hardly seen
one come up on the market as often as the venerable CR-7a. 
 
Mike
 

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Moore
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:39 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


I agree. I record with the CR-4A and play with the Dragon.
Sorry for the miscommunication. And my friend is looking to
do something similar. Thanks for the thought.
Mike




Nelson wrote:


I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record

from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the

Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course, it's

no slouch as a recorder, too.)



Gra'



  

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Behalf Of Michael Moore

Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52

To: naktalk at naks.com

Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak





A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and

is really

thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on

cassettes in

the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to

tape

from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A

to Dragon

combination for this. What would you all recommend?

If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know

directly.

It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or

attended to by

someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and

could

repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally

(Atlanta) as far as

I know.)

Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 09:56:55 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:56:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <000501c4690f$fda6a7c0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer><001c01c46940$3ff65c30$81773242@CopyTech>
	<40F45EF6.1020909@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV143melfSud0001ba85@hotmail.com>

Shalom Mike!

>From my sole "point of View"...owning two Dragon's is a waste of money! It's 100% Un-necessary!

Regards,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Moore 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  Greetings Carlos,
  Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
  Mike Moore


  El Magnifico wrote:

Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use
the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,
    it's
  no slouch as a recorder, too.)

Gra'

    -----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Michael Moore
Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
is really
thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
cassettes in
the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
tape
from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
to Dragon
combination for this. What would you all recommend?
If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
directly.
It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
attended to by
someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
could
repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
(Atlanta) as far as
I know.)
Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
Mike Moore




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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 09:37:11 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:37:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <18fbde818fee4b.18fee4b18fbde8@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <003101c46975$5fb36920$d5e94c51@oemcomputer>

Waddya think i was drinking when I wrote that?!  :o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com
> Sent: 14 July 2004 00:34
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>
>
> Gra
> you might find more if you take your regular scotch and think!
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:20 pm
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
>
> > Hey, may be we should have a poll of our all time favourite Nakamichi
> > engineers ...
> >
> > Points out of 0 to 5, where ...
> >
> > 0=He should leave the planet NOW
> > 1=If I wasn't such a nice person I'd take out a contract on the S.O.B.
> > 2=On balance, I'm a bit p###d off
> > 3=On balance, I'm a happy bunny
> > 4=He's my main man!
> > 5=If I was a girl I'd want to marry him and have his children
> > 6=I'm not saying in case I get sued.
> >
> > for ...
> >
> > Workmanship
> > Reliability
> > Guarantee
> > Aftersales service
> > Availability
> > 	-	telephone
> > 	-	e-mail
> > Just being a nice guy to do business with
> > Helpfulness
> > Generosity
> > Pricing
> > Speed of service
> > Honesty
> > Pays his debts
> >
> > (Have I miseed any attributes?)
> >
> >
> > Oh, this could be fun ....
> >
> > Gremlin (I ate after midnight) Grinham Graham
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Richard Obenauf
> > > Sent: 13 July 2004 22:45
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this a joke?
> > >
> > > If you don't already know about http://www.stephensank.com, the
> > first hit
> > > on google for "Stephen Sank" will take you here, where you can
> > learn all
> > > sorts of ways of keeping him busy:
> > >
> > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm
> > >
> > > Naktalk is a limited list of people who deal with people like
> > > Steve.  He's
> > > the one who has posted his number on the internet; I've simply
> > reminded a
> > > few of his customers (and potential customers) of it.  If you
> > haven't had
> > > the pleasure of doing business with him, I can highly recommend
> > his work,
> > > not only on Naks but also on ribbon microphones and on pretty
> > much every
> > > kind of high-end electronic.  He's also a super-nice guy.
> > >
> > > --Richard
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 09:37:13 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:37:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
In-Reply-To: <40F45EF6.1020909@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <003201c46975$61664940$d5e94c51@oemcomputer>

Dragon to ReVox more like, eh Carlos?!!

Gra'

  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Michael Moore
  Sent: 13 July 2004 23:15
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  Greetings Carlos,
  Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
  Mike Moore


  El Magnifico wrote:

Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use
the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,
    it's
  no slouch as a recorder, too.)

Gra'

    -----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Michael Moore
Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
is really
thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
cassettes in
the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
tape
from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
to Dragon
combination for this. What would you all recommend?
If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
directly.
It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
attended to by
someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
could
repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
(Atlanta) as far as
I know.)
Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 09:43:42 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:43:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
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Message-ID: <003701c46976$49278280$d5e94c51@oemcomputer>

No.  You'd use the CR7a for RECORDING and the Dragon for playback.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: 13 July 2004 23:19
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
>
>
> Oh, so if I had a CR-7A (which I do) and a Dragon, I would use
> the CR-7A as the playback?  ;-)
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue PM 09:16:51 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> > Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that
> you'll always use
> > the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> >
> > > I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be
> best to record
> > > from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
> > > Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.
> (Of course,
> > it's
> > > no slouch as a recorder, too.)
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > > Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my
> recommendation) and
> > > > is really
> > > > thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of
> recording on
> > > > cassettes in
> > > > the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to
> record tape to
> > > > tape
> > > > from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I
> use a CR-4A
> > > > to Dragon
> > > > combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> > > > If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home
> for, let me know
> > > > directly.
> > > > It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
> > > > attended to by
> > > > someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically
> sophisticated and
> > > > could
> > > > repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
> > > > (Atlanta) as far as
> > > > I know.)
> > > > Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
> > > > Mike Moore
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed Jul 14 13:05:12 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:05:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
Message-ID: <3804-40F51368-79@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>

this post is in in reply to a previous post by a Naktalker a few days
ago with questions about 50 cent charity store cassettes.Finally i feel
qualified to wax prophetic on a Naktalk topic ,as i am somewhat of an
expert on  this particular issue,having collected tapes for this last
ten years.I have ammassed a collection of over 500 tapes of all genres
of music.Most all of them are opened and played-a few are mint
sealed.Here are some of my guidelines for getting tapes at the junk
stores.First-be selective,be VERY selective,unless its something you
absolutely must have to fill a void in your collection.For those 300
tapes i have i have examined way more than 50 times that amount
probably.I will first look at a tape.Does it look like its in near mint
shape?Are the case and shell original and very clean?Next ,if the tape
is rewound,using your finger,wind the tape out- this takes a litte
while. Does the tape look clean,dark,lightly used and not distorted or
chewed up?Does the mechanism roll freely?checking these factors greatly
reduces,but does not eliminate your chances for getting a bad
tape-remember,most used tapes are no good. If the tape is in
mid-spool,then there may be a stretch or distortion.thats ok,as long as
it is confined to that one spot-again,roll it a little on both sides of
that spot and check.Look for batches of tapes from the same owner who
donated them and took care of them and did not play them to death.Learn
to recognize tapes that have been sitting there for awhile as opposed to
tapes that were recently brought out.In general,the  good tapes just put
out arent there because i have already found them and bought 'em-the
rest are trash.Bargain hunt-just last week i bought 17.00 worth of used
tapes for 10 cents each.Most of them arent any good,but i found some
real gems in that group too.Im not sure about the availability of good
program material at retail these days,but even if you can find them,they
are still as expensive as ever,plus there is a lot of good music in
there as well on some sturdy type 1 tapes that i can enjoy on a
non-critical listening basis on my mid-grade decks like my yamaha,or
even my tri-tracer.I suggest you buy a boombox or a guinea pig deck(you
can also use it as a rewinder to save wear on your good naks) to listen
to a good tape once or twice before you subject it to your dragon or
what not.what about quality of tapes?Stick with the analouge.the digital
domain really doesnt translate well to the cassettemedium,and although
there are some few digital cassettes that are clean and very
dynamic,nearly all of them are insipidly vapid.I best rap this up,some
of you are likely getting miffed at me taking up so much space on your
geek boxes.In conclusion let me say that there is some reall astounding
and fantastic music available on pre-recorded cassette.try the
Londons,rca red seals,and many many others.many  ,if not most times, you
will be disapointed and end up donating the tape back from whence it
came,but finding that special brilliant rich warm and vibrant classical
or jazz tape makes it worthwhile. It may give up a little in terms of
sonic quality Vis-a-Vis its L.P. incarnation( a little veiled perhaps)
but as we all know,L.P.'s are even harder to find  in perfect condition
used. there is also lots and lots of lightly used rock and country
western tapes out there-for how long i dont know,but this seems to be a
good time to look still,but you gotta be diligent,but the odds are good
you may find at least one nice tape the very first time you look. 

thank you very much,
gerald



From mdevera at compuserve.com  Wed Jul 14 09:15:06 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:15:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
In-Reply-To: <40F45EF6.1020909@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <007501c46972$4a0d7280$1f01000a@c994264f>

(play) Dragon to (record) CR-7 or Dragon to CR-4 or Dragon with any Nak deck
with bias/level calibration preferably with easily replaceable parts and
good service track record.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Moore
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:15 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


Greetings Carlos,
Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
Mike Moore


El Magnifico wrote:


Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use

the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.



Carlos



----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Nelson"  <mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
<graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>

To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"  <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>
<naktalk at naks.com>

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM

Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak





  

I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record

from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the

Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,

    

it's

  

no slouch as a recorder, too.)



Gra'



    

-----Original Message-----

From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On

Behalf Of Michael Moore

Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52

To: naktalk at naks.com

Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak





A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and

is really

thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on

cassettes in

the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to

tape

from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A

to Dragon

combination for this. What would you all recommend?

If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know

directly.

It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or

attended to by

someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and

could

repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally

(Atlanta) as far as

I know.)

Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,

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From mdevera at compuserve.com  Wed Jul 14 09:38:25 2004
From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:38:25 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
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I can somewhat agree - but to a Nak fan with the ability to purchase the
best of breed may not look at it as a waste, but the "ultimate" in dubbing
.. 
 
I personally had tried a Dragon as my playback, and a CR-7a as my record,
and I believe I achieved the highest level of quality in playback and
record, and never crossed my mind that it was a waste of money, may the
thought "overkill" was more appropriate ...
 
 

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Cozac
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:57 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


Shalom Mike!
 
>From my sole "point of View"...owning two Dragon's is a waste of money! It's
100% Un-necessary!
 
Regards,
 
ALEX!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Moore <mailto:3ld at bellsouth.net>  
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>  
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak

Greetings Carlos,
Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
Mike Moore


El Magnifico wrote:


Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use

the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.



Carlos



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From: "Nelson" "> <mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
<graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>

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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM

Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak





  

I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record

from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the

Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,

    

it's

  

no slouch as a recorder, too.)



Gra'



    

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On

Behalf Of Michael Moore

Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52

To: naktalk at naks.com

Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak





A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and

is really

thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on

cassettes in

the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to

tape

from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A

to Dragon

combination for this. What would you all recommend?

If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know

directly.

It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or

attended to by

someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and

could

repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally

(Atlanta) as far as

I know.)

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 12:32:30 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:32:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F108k69RKLpgTF00046e23@hotmail.com>

Ron:

I was told this by the best & most reliable source...my Grandfather who as a 
Zionist was there at the time.

In addition in all my years of contact with Rabbis in my youth, this same 
fact was shared with me.

A few years ago the radio personality, Bill Mazer shared stories of his many 
trips to Israel over the many years..this very subject came up and he 
related how the majority of Zionists wanted Yiddish as the new state 
language.

I can only go by what I believe to be true, and indeed I have never seen 
proof that Hebrew was the only language considered and eventually adopted.

Neil


>From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:12:44 -0400
>
>
>neil lipes wrote:
>
>>Alex:
>>
>>During WW2 my Uncle escaped Nazi Germany and was able to get to Lima, 
>>Peru.
>>I always got a kick out of telling friends that my Uncle was from Peru.
>>Did you know that just after the founding of Israel the national language 
>>was almost Yiddish, and not Hebrew? Bet ya didn't know that!
>
>
>Neil, where did you hear that? Not only did I not know this, but I
>seriously doubt it. One of the mainstays of the emerging Israel (circa
>1948) was the emphasis on returning to original language of the Jewish
>people -- Hebrew. Hebrew was the language heard 'on the street'.
>Only a small faction (orthodox religious) and old people spoke Yiddish.
>The orthodox wanted Yiddish because, to them, Hebrew was too holy
>to be the commonly used language. No one else took them seriously.
>This is well documented.
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>>
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:10:22 +0200
>>>
>>>Shalom Neil!
>>>
>>>No...you are wrong! I born in Lima/Peru, in 1963 I immigrated to Israel. 
>>>I
>>>will extremely pleased, when you so kindly can explain me exactly in 
>>>"Plain
>>>" English the mean of your words?
>>>By the way...I just returned from being at one store and had the 
>>>opportunity
>>>to buy 7 Fuji DR-2-100 type 2 brand new cassettes for $: 0.50 each one! 
>>>As
>>>really I don't want to use those superb SA-X-100 that was received 
>>>together
>>>with the Dragon..., for give as a gift to my close friends. These Fuji
>>>DR/2-100 it's also OK for me!!!
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>ALEX!
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:51 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>>
>>>
>>> > I thought you were Hebrew..living in Isreal.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>> > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:43:44 +0200
>>> > >
>>> > >  Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
>>> > >
>>> > >Please...What you really mean? As my native language is Spanish!
>>> > >
>>> > >Thanks so much Neil,
>>> > >
>>> > >ALEX!
>>> > >
>>> > >----- Original Message -----
>>> > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>>> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> > >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:39 AM
>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > Alex:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>> > > > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first one 
>>>was
>>> > >Revox
>>> > > > >tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a 
>>>Revox
>>> > >A-700
>>> > > > >and
>>> > > > >my last one was a Crown 822.
>>> > > > >I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 700 
>>>Mk-1,
>>> > >after
>>> > > > >in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting for 
>>>an a
>>> > >good
>>> > > > >newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
>>> > > > >I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my received
>>> > >Dragon!.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >Happy listening!
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >ALEX!
>>> > > > >----- Original Message -----
>>> > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>>> > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
>>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube
>>>Roberts
>>> > >1040
>>> > > > > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire open
>>>reel
>>> > > > >media
>>> > > > > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Neil
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
>>> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>>><naktalk at naks.com>
>>> > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are there 
>>>any
>>> > >naktalk
>>> > > > > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow appeal 
>>>of
>>>the
>>> > > > > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching machines 
>>>side
>>>by
>>> > > > >side.
>>> > > > > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the bay, 
>>>it
>>> > >would
>>> > > > > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am thinking 
>>>of
>>> > > > >getting
>>> > > > >a
>>> > > > > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible 
>>>after
>>> >25
>>> > > > >years
>>> > > > > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Brian
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >>Hi all,
>>> > > > > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as NPR
>>> > >reported
>>> > > > >the
>>> > > > > > >>other
>>> > > > > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 
>>>8-track?
>>> > > > >Strangely,
>>> > > > > > >>the
>>> > > > > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept alive by 
>>>low
>>> > > > >prices
>>> > > > > > >>for
>>> > > > > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
>>> > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > >>Fred
>>> > > > > >
>>
>
>
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From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:37:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
Message-ID: <BAY2-F22AylAQc9v3Dr000027dc@hotmail.com>

Use it on my 505 since new....as well as on my Teac X2000R.

neil


>From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
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>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:47 -0700
>
>Neil:
>
>I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT) you
>mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
>simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
>greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is more
>present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
>expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
>think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it 
>before
>playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the stuff
>helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on using
>the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the 
>THT.
>
>Regards,
>Jon
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Jul 14 14:28:58 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:28:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
In-Reply-To: <003701c4693a$c94b6e40$0500000a@uswest.net>
References: <BAY2-F37i5ww5e7TgW500011d55@hotmail.com>
	<003701c4693a$c94b6e40$0500000a@uswest.net>
Message-ID: <1089808138.40f5270a45ace@mail.ce.net>

I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur away from the 
heads make the sound better?

John T.

Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:

> Neil:
> 
> I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT) you
> mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
> simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
> greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is more
> present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
> expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
> think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
> before
> playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the stuff
> helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on using
> the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
> THT.
> 
> Regards,
> Jon
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Jul 14 14:31:50 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:31:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
In-Reply-To: <003201c46975$61664940$d5e94c51@oemcomputer>
References: <003201c46975$61664940$d5e94c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1089808310.40f527b6963e1@mail.ce.net>

Now your talking Gra'! ;-)

John T.

Quoting Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>:

> Dragon to ReVox more like, eh Carlos?!!
> 
> Gra'
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
> Of Michael Moore
>   Sent: 13 July 2004 23:15
>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> 
> 
>   Greetings Carlos,
>   Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
>   Mike Moore
> 
> 
>   El Magnifico wrote:
> 
> Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use
> the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.
> 
> Carlos
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> 
> 
>   I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
> from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
> Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,
>     it's
>   no slouch as a recorder, too.)
> 
> Gra'
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael Moore
> Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> 
> 
> A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
> is really
> thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
> cassettes in
> the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
> tape
> from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
> to Dragon
> combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
> directly.
> It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
> attended to by
> someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
> could
> repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
> (Atlanta) as far as
> I know.)
> Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
> Mike Moore
> 
> 
> 
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Jul 14 16:06:44 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:06:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F108k69RKLpgTF00046e23@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F108k69RKLpgTF00046e23@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40F53DF4.8080400@rcn.com>


Neil,

I am not surprised your view was shaped by Rabbis and/or older
people. These, however, were a tiny minority, with a skewed view
of Israeli culture. Your resources not withstanding, your view is
incorrect.

At the time, there was a single Yiddish newspaper in the whole of
Israel, vs. many dailies, two major PM newspapers and a horde
of  weeklies -- all in Hebrew. The spoken language in the street
was Hebrew. The language used for deliberations in the 'Provisional
National Council' (and later, the Knesset), was Hebrew. All
subtitles in movie theaters were in Hebrew. Radio was in Hebrew.
The vast majority of Israelis didn't speak Yiddish. In short, the
culture was Hebrew based. Yiddish was a niche language, same as
Ladino.

As I have already stated, Yiddish was 'pushed' by a small minority
in 'the fringe', that was taken seriously by no one. It was never even
close to being chosen.

Sorry to disrupt your long held belief...

-- Ron


neil lipes wrote:

> Ron:
>
> I was told this by the best & most reliable source...my Grandfather 
> who as a Zionist was there at the time.
>
> In addition in all my years of contact with Rabbis in my youth, this 
> same fact was shared with me.
> A few years ago the radio personality, Bill Mazer shared stories of 
> his many trips to Israel over the many years..this very subject came 
> up and he related how the majority of Zionists wanted Yiddish as the 
> new state language.
>
> I can only go by what I believe to be true, and indeed I have never 
> seen proof that Hebrew was the only language considered and eventually 
> adopted.
>
> Neil
>
>
>> From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:12:44 -0400
>>
>>
>> neil lipes wrote:
>>
>>> Alex:
>>>
>>> During WW2 my Uncle escaped Nazi Germany and was able to get to 
>>> Lima, Peru.
>>> I always got a kick out of telling friends that my Uncle was from Peru.
>>> Did you know that just after the founding of Israel the national 
>>> language was almost Yiddish, and not Hebrew? Bet ya didn't know that!
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil, where did you hear that? Not only did I not know this, but I
>> seriously doubt it. One of the mainstays of the emerging Israel (circa
>> 1948) was the emphasis on returning to original language of the Jewish
>> people -- Hebrew. Hebrew was the language heard 'on the street'.
>> Only a small faction (orthodox religious) and old people spoke Yiddish.
>> The orthodox wanted Yiddish because, to them, Hebrew was too holy
>> to be the commonly used language. No one else took them seriously.
>> This is well documented.
>>
>> -- Ron
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:10:22 +0200
>>>>
>>>> Shalom Neil!
>>>>
>>>> No...you are wrong! I born in Lima/Peru, in 1963 I immigrated to 
>>>> Israel. I
>>>> will extremely pleased, when you so kindly can explain me exactly 
>>>> in "Plain
>>>> " English the mean of your words?
>>>> By the way...I just returned from being at one store and had the 
>>>> opportunity
>>>> to buy 7 Fuji DR-2-100 type 2 brand new cassettes for $: 0.50 each 
>>>> one! As
>>>> really I don't want to use those superb SA-X-100 that was received 
>>>> together
>>>> with the Dragon..., for give as a gift to my close friends. These Fuji
>>>> DR/2-100 it's also OK for me!!!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> ALEX!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:51 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > I thought you were Hebrew..living in Isreal.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>>> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>>> > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:43:44 +0200
>>>> > >
>>>> > >  Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Please...What you really mean? As my native language is Spanish!
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Thanks so much Neil,
>>>> > >
>>>> > >ALEX!
>>>> > >
>>>> > >----- Original Message -----
>>>> > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>>>> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> > >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:39 AM
>>>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > Alex:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Do you have enough for a "minyen"?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>>>> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>>>> <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> > > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>>> > > > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:08 +0200
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >When I was younger...!!!, I also love R to R media, my first 
>>>> one was
>>>> > >Revox
>>>> > > > >tube A-36 after was changed by a A77 Mk-3 Dolby, after for a 
>>>> Revox
>>>> > >A-700
>>>> > > > >and
>>>> > > > >my last one was a Crown 822.
>>>> > > > >I enter to the cassette media during 1974 with my first Nak 
>>>> 700 Mk-1,
>>>> > >after
>>>> > > > >in 1979 the 1000 Mk-2, (Which is laying on the base waiting 
>>>> for an a
>>>> > >good
>>>> > > > >newer owner, any seriously offer...?)
>>>> > > > >I live in Israel and is a Multi-voltage one!. and now my 
>>>> received
>>>> > >Dragon!.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >Happy listening!
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >ALEX!
>>>> > > > >----- Original Message -----
>>>> > > > >From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>>>> > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:48 PM
>>>> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > In addition to my Nak 505, I have A Teac X2000R, and a tube
>>>> Roberts
>>>> > >1040
>>>> > > > > > from 1961`, which I purchased new...I continue to acquire 
>>>> open
>>>> reel
>>>> > > > >media
>>>> > > > > > and will never give up the format..ANALOG FOREVER!
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Neil
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >From: Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net>
>>>> > > > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>>>> <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> > > > > > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of cassette?
>>>> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:27:01 -0700
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >This might be best handled by audiotalk, however are 
>>>> there any
>>>> > >naktalk
>>>> > > > > > >members that are using r-r?  When we speak of the wow 
>>>> appeal of
>>>> the
>>>> > > > > > >1000zxl, consider the wow appeal of 2 10" matching 
>>>> machines side
>>>> by
>>>> > > > >side.
>>>> > > > > > >Two big Tandbergs can be had for less than $1,000 on the 
>>>> bay, it
>>>> > >would
>>>> > > > > > >appear!  I have Tandberg r-r next to my 3014a and am 
>>>> thinking of
>>>> > > > >getting
>>>> > > > >a
>>>> > > > > > >matching mate for it.  My Tandberg r-r sounds incredible 
>>>> after
>>>> >25
>>>> > > > >years
>>>> > > > > > >and I have NEVER had to service it (no belts).
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >Brian
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >Fred Lifton wrote:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >>Hi all,
>>>> > > > > > >>boy it's been quiet on the list lately. Could it be, as 
>>>> NPR
>>>> > >reported
>>>> > > > >the
>>>> > > > > > >>other
>>>> > > > > > >>day, that the cassette is about to go the way of the 
>>>> 8-track?
>>>> > > > >Strangely,
>>>> > > > > > >>the
>>>> > > > > > >>same story claimed that reel-to-reel was being kept 
>>>> alive by low
>>>> > > > >prices
>>>> > > > > > >>for
>>>> > > > > > >>formely high-zoot gear. Should we become "reel-talk"?
>>>> > > > > > >>
>>>> > > > > > >>Fred
>>>> > > > > >
>>>





From ra.ah at rcn.com  Wed Jul 14 16:17:25 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:17:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
In-Reply-To: <1089808138.40f5270a45ace@mail.ce.net>
References: <BAY2-F37i5ww5e7TgW500011d55@hotmail.com>	<003701c4693a$c94b6e40$0500000a@uswest.net>
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These vague claims (the bass has more authority; the mids have
more presence; the highs are more polite, or more delicate, or
more penetrating; sound stage is deeper, or mellower, or sweeter,
or something) are typical of the claims for various tweaks, as is
the ridiculously high price (what's in the stuff to make it worth
$5,120 per gallon?).

Of all the claims, I do believe the stuff is a mild lubricant, 
infinitesimally
reducing head wear and (possibly) tape flutter.

-- Ron


jmtooley at ce.net wrote:

>I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur away from the 
>heads make the sound better?
>
>John T.
>
>Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:
>
>  
>
>>Neil:
>>
>>I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT) you
>>mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
>>simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
>>greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is more
>>present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
>>expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
>>think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
>>before
>>playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the stuff
>>helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on using
>>the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
>>THT.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Jon
>>
>>    
>>





From rjkent at comcast.net  Wed Jul 14 16:44:16 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:44:16 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <002701c469b1$0a497290$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Greetings,

Regarding dubbing from one Nak to another, I agree that playing from a Dragon and recording to the CR-7 is the best possible combination.  This is the easiest way to get the best results because of the Dragon's auto playback azimuth adjust (NAAC), and the CR-7's auto bias and level calibration.  If you play back from a variety of tapes, and record to several different tape types, you can't beat the convenience or the quality of results.  Of course you can get very good results by reversing the lineup, but you then have to make all adjustments manually.  In either case, your decks have to be in proper working order.  Both my Dragon and CR-7 were re-built by Jeff at ESL.  They did a superb job, and although it was expensive, I am extremely happy with the results.

For those of you have ordered the Marathon Tape Project Mk II, the San Francisco Session master was recorded on my CR-7 using one of Kannan's donated TDK MA-XG tapes.

Robert Kent
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Wed Jul 14 17:24:01 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:24:01 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Tuners
Message-ID: <003401c469b6$978a8ae0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Off Air Recorders,

Some months ago, we had a string going on everyone's favorite tuners.  I have been evaluating digital tuners for quite awhile, and wanted to share my observations and get any feedback anyone might offer.  The three tuners I am currently using are the Nak ST-7, Yamaha TX-950, and Luxman T-117.  I brought them all together, placed them all in the same location, hooked them up to the same simple dipole antenna, and set all the settings as close to the same as possible (wide band, auto stereo, fine tuning, etc.), and ran through the FM band counting stations.  I listened with some Sennheiser HD-600s through a Corda head amp.  I live in an area with a lot of stations (San Francisco Area), but with poor reception (in a valley about 25 miles east of San Francisco).

I found my results similar to the evaluations on the Tuner Information Center web page  http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/index.html#links  with the Yamaha and Luxman in a close tie, and the Nak a little behind:
Yamaha TX-950:  Strong Stereo or Mono - 22 stations;  Okay with some decay - 15 stations;  Poor - 20 stations
Luxman T-117:  Strong Stereo or Mono - 24 stations;  Okay with some decay - 19 stations;  Poor - 17 stations
Nak ST-7:  Strong Stereo or Mono - 18 stations;  Okay with some decay - 12 stations;  Poor - 23 stations

The Yamaha has the best fine tuning with .01mhz steps using a smooth (non-click stop) knob, but it has no seek function. Its sensitivity and discrimination seemed quite good.  The Luxman has fine tuning in .025mhz steps using buttons, has good sensitivity, discrimination and a seek function.  The Nak tunes with .1mhz steps using a click stop knob, slightly less sensitivity and not as good discrimination, and it also has a seek function.  When hooked up to a cable source, the performance is nearly identical between the three.

Pre-sets:  Yamaha - 40, Luxman - 24, Nak - 16.  All three are easy to use, and look good.

I'm thinking of running a similar evaluation with the on-board tuner sections of the Nak TA-4A receiver, the Luxman TP-117 Pre-amp, and the B&K Ref 30 pre-amp, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

Robert Kent 

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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Wed Jul 14 18:03:58 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:03:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <002701c469b1$0a497290$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <004d01c469bc$2c9a62e0$0e92fea9@wdrewes>

I have also found that from Dragon to CR 7 is better than from Dragon to Dragon although all (of 6 units tweaked or being tweaked by Stephen) sound superb to my fading ears!  Whether the CR7 is inferior to the Dragon I dont know. But its established then, eh: Dragon to Inferior::or allways Superior to Inferior ::or Dragon to the Swiss thinga ma bob? That seems to be the what has been given as a definite in these musings in the last day or two!----Dont get ambushed by the African Crocodile!
My apologies for going slightly off topic 1): where can one get inner sleeves for records(the non PVC type). It seems to me that the latter damages the vinyl over time---- or is that a factor of the humidity we have here? I have this fantastic electric record washer that after the wash immediately vacums and dries the record and in so doing lifts any particles that remain on the cleaned record.One does not want to go through this procedure if the sleeve mucks everything up thereafter!
2) Can anyone tell me please whether a Nak TA-4A is very much different than a Nak SR 4A (as far as performance and musicality (WTMB)goes?
thanks
walter
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:44 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  Greetings,

  Regarding dubbing from one Nak to another, I agree that playing from a Dragon and recording to the CR-7 is the best possible combination.  This is the easiest way to get the best results because of the Dragon's auto playback azimuth adjust (NAAC), and the CR-7's auto bias and level calibration.  If you play back from a variety of tapes, and record to several different tape types, you can't beat the convenience or the quality of results.  Of course you can get very good results by reversing the lineup, but you then have to make all adjustments manually.  In either case, your decks have to be in proper working order.  Both my Dragon and CR-7 were re-built by Jeff at ESL.  They did a superb job, and although it was expensive, I am extremely happy with the results.

  For those of you have ordered the Marathon Tape Project Mk II, the San Francisco Session master was recorded on my CR-7 using one of Kannan's donated TDK MA-XG tapes.

  Robert Kent


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 18:57:45 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:57:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
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MessageMike!

I accept your cute point of thinking!

Regards,

ALEX!
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  From: Mike deVera 
  To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:38 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  I can somewhat agree - but to a Nak fan with the ability to purchase the best of breed may not look at it as a waste, but the "ultimate" in dubbing .. 

  I personally had tried a Dragon as my playback, and a CR-7a as my record, and I believe I achieved the highest level of quality in playback and record, and never crossed my mind that it was a waste of money, may the thought "overkill" was more appropriate ...


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    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac
    Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:57 AM
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


    Shalom Mike!

    From my sole "point of View"...owning two Dragon's is a waste of money! It's 100% Un-necessary!

    Regards,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Michael Moore 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:15 AM
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


      Greetings Carlos,
      Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
      Mike Moore


      El Magnifico wrote:

Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use
the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,
    it's
  no slouch as a recorder, too.)

Gra'

    -----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Michael Moore
Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
is really
thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
cassettes in
the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
tape
from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
to Dragon
combination for this. What would you all recommend?
If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
directly.
It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
attended to by
someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
could
repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
(Atlanta) as far as
I know.)
Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
Mike Moore




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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Wed Jul 14 15:16:33 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:16:33 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
References: <BAY2-F22AylAQc9v3Dr000027dc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <01e901c469a4$c91bc590$1010a8c0@tg>

Sounds interesting. Has any effect while recording???
Any frequency improvement felt???
Thanks.
Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment


> Use it on my 505 since new....as well as on my Teac X2000R.
>
> neil
>
>
> >From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:47 -0700
> >
> >Neil:
> >
> >I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT)
you
> >mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
> >simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
> >greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is more
> >present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
> >expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
> >think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
> >before
> >playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the
stuff
> >helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on
using
> >the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
> >THT.
> >
> >Regards,
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From britri at comcast.net  Wed Jul 14 16:59:23 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:59:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
References: <BAY2-F37i5ww5e7TgW500011d55@hotmail.com>	<003701c4693a$c94b6e40$0500000a@uswest.net>	<1089808138.40f5270a45ace@mail.ce.net>
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Is it possible that the very fact that you pass something with cleaning 
properties over the heads before each play (kinda awkward and much 
easier to clean a record than removing the head shell, by the way) what 
might make these amazing things happen.  Is THT the name for 
tetrahydrotoluene or something (chemists  it's been a long time since I 
have been around these substances but correct my nomenclature if I am wrong)

Brian

Ron wrote:

>
> These vague claims (the bass has more authority; the mids have
> more presence; the highs are more polite, or more delicate, or
> more penetrating; sound stage is deeper, or mellower, or sweeter,
> or something) are typical of the claims for various tweaks, as is
> the ridiculously high price (what's in the stuff to make it worth
> $5,120 per gallon?).
>
> Of all the claims, I do believe the stuff is a mild lubricant, 
> infinitesimally
> reducing head wear and (possibly) tape flutter.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> jmtooley at ce.net wrote:
>
>> I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur away 
>> from the heads make the sound better?
>>
>> John T.
>>
>> Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Neil:
>>>
>>> I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment 
>>> (THT) you
>>> mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
>>> simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
>>> greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is 
>>> more
>>> present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
>>> expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
>>> think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
>>> before
>>> playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the 
>>> stuff
>>> helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips 
>>> on using
>>> the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
>>> THT.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>   
>>
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From sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net  Wed Jul 14 17:25:44 2004
From: sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net (Steve Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:25:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
References: <3804-40F51368-79@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <007701c469b6$d4c4d410$0200a8c0@down>

Great advise, another quick check is the pressure pad, I have found some
with it missing.



Steve S


From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:05 AM
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


> this post is in in reply to a previous post by a Naktalker a few days
> ago with questions about 50 cent charity store cassettes.Finally i feel
> qualified to wax prophetic on a Naktalk topic ,as i am somewhat of an
> expert on  this particular issue,having collected tapes for this last
> ten years.I have ammassed a collection of over 500 tapes of all genres
> of music.Most all of them are opened and played-a few are mint
> sealed.Here are some of my guidelines for getting tapes at the junk
> stores.First-be selective,be VERY selective,unless its something you
> absolutely must have to fill a void in your collection.For those 300
> tapes i have i have examined way more than 50 times that amount
> probably.I will first look at a tape.Does it look like its in near mint
> shape?Are the case and shell original and very clean?Next ,if the tape
> is rewound,using your finger,wind the tape out- this takes a litte
> while. Does the tape look clean,dark,lightly used and not distorted or
> chewed up?Does the mechanism roll freely?checking these factors greatly
> reduces,but does not eliminate your chances for getting a bad
> tape-remember,most used tapes are no good. If the tape is in
> mid-spool,then there may be a stretch or distortion.thats ok,as long as
> it is confined to that one spot-again,roll it a little on both sides of
> that spot and check.Look for batches of tapes from the same owner who
> donated them and took care of them and did not play them to death.Learn
> to recognize tapes that have been sitting there for awhile as opposed to
> tapes that were recently brought out.In general,the  good tapes just put
> out arent there because i have already found them and bought 'em-the
> rest are trash.Bargain hunt-just last week i bought 17.00 worth of used
> tapes for 10 cents each.Most of them arent any good,but i found some
> real gems in that group too.Im not sure about the availability of good
> program material at retail these days,but even if you can find them,they
> are still as expensive as ever,plus there is a lot of good music in
> there as well on some sturdy type 1 tapes that i can enjoy on a
> non-critical listening basis on my mid-grade decks like my yamaha,or
> even my tri-tracer.I suggest you buy a boombox or a guinea pig deck(you
> can also use it as a rewinder to save wear on your good naks) to listen
> to a good tape once or twice before you subject it to your dragon or
> what not.what about quality of tapes?Stick with the analouge.the digital
> domain really doesnt translate well to the cassettemedium,and although
> there are some few digital cassettes that are clean and very
> dynamic,nearly all of them are insipidly vapid.I best rap this up,some
> of you are likely getting miffed at me taking up so much space on your
> geek boxes.In conclusion let me say that there is some reall astounding
> and fantastic music available on pre-recorded cassette.try the
> Londons,rca red seals,and many many others.many  ,if not most times, you
> will be disapointed and end up donating the tape back from whence it
> came,but finding that special brilliant rich warm and vibrant classical
> or jazz tape makes it worthwhile. It may give up a little in terms of
> sonic quality Vis-a-Vis its L.P. incarnation( a little veiled perhaps)
> but as we all know,L.P.'s are even harder to find  in perfect condition
> used. there is also lots and lots of lightly used rock and country
> western tapes out there-for how long i dont know,but this seems to be a
> good time to look still,but you gotta be diligent,but the odds are good
> you may find at least one nice tape the very first time you look.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From britri at comcast.net  Wed Jul 14 17:23:33 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:33 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
References: <003701c46927$e9f057e0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <40F54FF5.1000808@comcast.net>

Creative Tech that Stephen.  I remember a Mac CD player I sent him with 
troubles and he played it in the refrigerator for a spell, just to be 
sure it would operate in my igloo (just kidding about the igloo)

Brian

>  
>




From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com  Wed Jul 14 17:55:05 2004
From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:55:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
Message-ID: <OF065BB5B0.DC5764E7-ON86256ED1.00572C1C-86256ED1.0057711A@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com>

Can you possibly forward a schematic of the 1000ZXL circuit(s) you speak 
of? Who knows, I may see something I may be able to help with.

Gary



>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
To: naktalk at naks.com
Message-ID: <20040713163136.19458.qmail at web41403.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Well, I think this beau is going to be resigned to the RIP list like the 
Tandberg r2r decks? Those decks use a logic board based on an obsolete 12v 
logic IC. Looking at the schematics, I think it shouldnt be too much work 
designing a replacement circuit. But with the 1000ZXL, i dont know guys 
but I think we have to wake those engineers from retirement to come up 
with something. Also, today I hauled in up and powered it on. The small 
bulb on the cassette compartment lights up. And the 70uS indicator lights 
up. Thats it. I load a cassette, and nothing happens. I switch the eq 
switch but the indicator refuses to change. Even the vu display doesnt 
light up. Under the bonnnet, the motors are not turning. I have this fear 
that the power supply may have given the ghost as the power regulators are 
not warm. I see four power regulators and they are all stone cold. What 
could have gone wrong?
 
Regards, 
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From jochi at qwest.net  Wed Jul 14 19:28:59 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:28:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <002701c469b1$0a497290$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
	<004d01c469bc$2c9a62e0$0e92fea9@wdrewes>
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Walter,

Henry Wilhelm wrote a book called "The Permanence and Care of Color Photographs."  In that book he researches and tests the effects of storing archival quality images and negatives with various types of sleeves.  His top recommendation is Mylar.  PVC and polypropylene leave have varying degrees of interaction with the images OVER TIME.  

To my knowledge there are no manufacturers of mylar inner sleeves.  So I have gotten a tip from Duane aka The Disc Doctor.  Duane is a PhD chemist and makes the Disc Doctor Miracle Record Cleaner.  He does not trust plastic because of the migration of the plasticizers that come out of the plastic sleeves.  He recommends using acid-free paper.  You can go to your local printer and buy a good heavy weight paper that is ACID-FREE.  Have the printer cut the paper to size.  I use 24.25" by 12" but you may have it cut slightly smaller if you wish.

Once you have the paper, simply fold it in half and you have a sleeve.  Granted, it will be open on three sides, but you will have no long-term chemical interaction as you may have with plastic sleeves or non acid-free paper sleeves.

Of course, it goes without saying that a good cleaning is required even on brand new records because of the mold-release compounds used on the records.  The automatic cleaning machines work well as do the hand wash systems like Disc Doctor brushes.  I have a VPI HW-17 record cleaning machine, but I usually use the Disc Doctor brushes.  Either does an excellent job.

Good luck.

Jon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: wme drewes 
  To: rjkent at comcast.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  I have also found that from Dragon to CR 7 is better than from Dragon to Dragon although all (of 6 units tweaked or being tweaked by Stephen) sound superb to my fading ears!  Whether the CR7 is inferior to the Dragon I dont know. But its established then, eh: Dragon to Inferior::or allways Superior to Inferior ::or Dragon to the Swiss thinga ma bob? That seems to be the what has been given as a definite in these musings in the last day or two!----Dont get ambushed by the African Crocodile!
  My apologies for going slightly off topic 1): where can one get inner sleeves for records(the non PVC type). It seems to me that the latter damages the vinyl over time---- or is that a factor of the humidity we have here? I have this fantastic electric record washer that after the wash immediately vacums and dries the record and in so doing lifts any particles that remain on the cleaned record.One does not want to go through this procedure if the sleeve mucks everything up thereafter!
  2) Can anyone tell me please whether a Nak TA-4A is very much different than a Nak SR 4A (as far as performance and musicality (WTMB)goes?
  thanks
  walter
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: rjkent at comcast.net 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:44 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


    Greetings,

    Regarding dubbing from one Nak to another, I agree that playing from a Dragon and recording to the CR-7 is the best possible combination.  This is the easiest way to get the best results because of the Dragon's auto playback azimuth adjust (NAAC), and the CR-7's auto bias and level calibration.  If you play back from a variety of tapes, and record to several different tape types, you can't beat the convenience or the quality of results.  Of course you can get very good results by reversing the lineup, but you then have to make all adjustments manually.  In either case, your decks have to be in proper working order.  Both my Dragon and CR-7 were re-built by Jeff at ESL.  They did a superb job, and although it was expensive, I am extremely happy with the results.

    For those of you have ordered the Marathon Tape Project Mk II, the San Francisco Session master was recorded on my CR-7 using one of Kannan's donated TDK MA-XG tapes.

    Robert Kent


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From jochi at qwest.net  Wed Jul 14 19:50:27 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:50:27 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
References: <BAY2-F37i5ww5e7TgW500011d55@hotmail.com><003701c4693a$c94b6e40$0500000a@uswest.net>
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John,

Technically, I confess ignorance about how tape heads work.  So I have no
reply to your question.  I simply like the way it sounds, wanted to hear
from any other users, and wanted to learn more from others as to why it
sounds better.  Tape recording technology is a mature art form.  I have a
CR-7A which is at or near the top in Nakamichi technology.  If I wish to
improve the sound any more, tweaks are the only option left open to me.  To
my knowledge no significant  R & D is occurring in this technology which is
in a state of decline in terms of popularity.   So I appeal to other
Naktalkers to come forth with tweaks that have worked for them.  I will
decide whether or not I think such tweaks improve the sound for me.  I have
an open mind and willingly evaluate ideas.

  Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment


> I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur away from
the
> heads make the sound better?
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:
>
> > Neil:
> >
> > I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT)
you
> > mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
> > simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
> > greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is
more
> > present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
> > expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
> > think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
> > before
> > playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the
stuff
> > helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on
using
> > the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
> > THT.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jon
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 20:09:35 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:09:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
References: <3804-40F51368-79@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
	<007701c469b6$d4c4d410$0200a8c0@down>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV7RH9HWP5Rv0001e0f1@hotmail.com>

Hi Steve,

To my knowledge, either 1000ZXL and the Dragon, lift the tape, so the
missing pressure pad it's NOT necessary! You can play such cassettes with NO
problem! I hope that I'm not wrong? Any opinion?

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Schmidt" <sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


> Great advise, another quick check is the pressure pad, I have found some
> with it missing.
>
>
>
> Steve S
>
>
> From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:05 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
>
> > this post is in in reply to a previous post by a Naktalker a few days
> > ago with questions about 50 cent charity store cassettes.Finally i feel
> > qualified to wax prophetic on a Naktalk topic ,as i am somewhat of an
> > expert on  this particular issue,having collected tapes for this last
> > ten years.I have ammassed a collection of over 500 tapes of all genres
> > of music.Most all of them are opened and played-a few are mint
> > sealed.Here are some of my guidelines for getting tapes at the junk
> > stores.First-be selective,be VERY selective,unless its something you
> > absolutely must have to fill a void in your collection.For those 300
> > tapes i have i have examined way more than 50 times that amount
> > probably.I will first look at a tape.Does it look like its in near mint
> > shape?Are the case and shell original and very clean?Next ,if the tape
> > is rewound,using your finger,wind the tape out- this takes a litte
> > while. Does the tape look clean,dark,lightly used and not distorted or
> > chewed up?Does the mechanism roll freely?checking these factors greatly
> > reduces,but does not eliminate your chances for getting a bad
> > tape-remember,most used tapes are no good. If the tape is in
> > mid-spool,then there may be a stretch or distortion.thats ok,as long as
> > it is confined to that one spot-again,roll it a little on both sides of
> > that spot and check.Look for batches of tapes from the same owner who
> > donated them and took care of them and did not play them to death.Learn
> > to recognize tapes that have been sitting there for awhile as opposed to
> > tapes that were recently brought out.In general,the  good tapes just put
> > out arent there because i have already found them and bought 'em-the
> > rest are trash.Bargain hunt-just last week i bought 17.00 worth of used
> > tapes for 10 cents each.Most of them arent any good,but i found some
> > real gems in that group too.Im not sure about the availability of good
> > program material at retail these days,but even if you can find them,they
> > are still as expensive as ever,plus there is a lot of good music in
> > there as well on some sturdy type 1 tapes that i can enjoy on a
> > non-critical listening basis on my mid-grade decks like my yamaha,or
> > even my tri-tracer.I suggest you buy a boombox or a guinea pig deck(you
> > can also use it as a rewinder to save wear on your good naks) to listen
> > to a good tape once or twice before you subject it to your dragon or
> > what not.what about quality of tapes?Stick with the analouge.the digital
> > domain really doesnt translate well to the cassettemedium,and although
> > there are some few digital cassettes that are clean and very
> > dynamic,nearly all of them are insipidly vapid.I best rap this up,some
> > of you are likely getting miffed at me taking up so much space on your
> > geek boxes.In conclusion let me say that there is some reall astounding
> > and fantastic music available on pre-recorded cassette.try the
> > Londons,rca red seals,and many many others.many  ,if not most times, you
> > will be disapointed and end up donating the tape back from whence it
> > came,but finding that special brilliant rich warm and vibrant classical
> > or jazz tape makes it worthwhile. It may give up a little in terms of
> > sonic quality Vis-a-Vis its L.P. incarnation( a little veiled perhaps)
> > but as we all know,L.P.'s are even harder to find  in perfect condition
> > used. there is also lots and lots of lightly used rock and country
> > western tapes out there-for how long i dont know,but this seems to be a
> > good time to look still,but you gotta be diligent,but the odds are good
> > you may find at least one nice tape the very first time you look.
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 20:11:17 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:11:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
References: <BAY2-F37i5ww5e7TgW500011d55@hotmail.com><003701c4693a$c94b6e40$0500000a@uswest.net><1089808138.40f5270a45ace@mail.ce.net>
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Go forward Jon, BUT...beware of damaged!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment


> John,
>
> Technically, I confess ignorance about how tape heads work.  So I have no
> reply to your question.  I simply like the way it sounds, wanted to hear
> from any other users, and wanted to learn more from others as to why it
> sounds better.  Tape recording technology is a mature art form.  I have a
> CR-7A which is at or near the top in Nakamichi technology.  If I wish to
> improve the sound any more, tweaks are the only option left open to me.
To
> my knowledge no significant  R & D is occurring in this technology which
is
> in a state of decline in terms of popularity.   So I appeal to other
> Naktalkers to come forth with tweaks that have worked for them.  I will
> decide whether or not I think such tweaks improve the sound for me.  I
have
> an open mind and willingly evaluate ideas.
>
>   Jon
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
>
>
> > I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur away from
> the
> > heads make the sound better?
> >
> > John T.
> >
> > Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:
> >
> > > Neil:
> > >
> > > I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment
(THT)
> you
> > > mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
> > > simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
> > > greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is
> more
> > > present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
> > > expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.
I
> > > think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
> > > before
> > > playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the
> stuff
> > > helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on
> using
> > > the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using
the
> > > THT.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jon
> > >
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Jul 14 19:52:28 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:52:28 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <003201c46975$61664940$d5e94c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <005301c469cc$0b73cd80$0f299bca@aisha>


Apart from such taboo and misbehaved referencing to other brand of deck,
that was an interesting question: dragon is a killer playback deck and with
its rec adjust facility can be used as a good recorder too - how come (to
me) its recording result sounds inferior to CR7 or even ZX ?

BTW I think Carlos meant the best deck (not recorder) for playback.

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


> Dragon to ReVox more like, eh Carlos?!!
>
> Gra'
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf
> Of Michael Moore
>   Sent: 13 July 2004 23:15
>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
>
>
>   Greetings Carlos,
>   Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
>   Mike Moore
>
>
>   El Magnifico wrote:
>
> Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always
use
> the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Jul 14 19:55:54 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:55:54 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
References: <19068d31905876.190587619068d3@vsnl.net>
	<6.1.1.1.0.20040713112339.01cc9ec0@postoffice.att.net>
	<00a101c46910$fc4e4e40$ca231ec4@drewescomp>
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Message-ID: <005401c469cc$0bfa1480$0f299bca@aisha>


Hmm ... judging by the way I drive, people are lucky I'm not a pilot. =)

SM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "erie" <erie at shelbyvilledesign.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank


> Salim,
> You are obviously not a pilot, any excuse to go flying is a good one....
> 
> 
> erie
> 




From jochi at qwest.net  Wed Jul 14 20:06:24 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:06:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
References: <BAY2-F37i5ww5e7TgW500011d55@hotmail.com>	<003701c4693a$c94b6e40$0500000a@uswest.net><1089808138.40f5270a45ace@mail.ce.net>
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Ron,

Being non technical, I do not understand exactly how the THT works, but I do
believe you are correct that it acts as a mild lubricant.  I have a Studer
A710 deck which has a tendency to crinkle tapes if they are thin, such as a
TDK SA-X 100 or a Maxell XL-IIS 100.  After using the THT I tried many TDK
SA-X tapes, but could not get one to crinkle.  So yes, I do believe there is
a mild lubricant quality to the THT.

As to the "vague claims" concept, I agree there is imprecision in language,
but how else can one explain qualities that are somewhat ephemeral to begin
with?  I think we are entering the arena of aesthetics and tastes.   I
happen to have a Bachelor's degree in music theory and analysis.  In no way
does that make my tastes more valid than anyone else's.  However, my
preference is for musical expression over technical perfection.  Not that I
dislike technical perfection, but I prefer, if a choice had to be made, a
musically interesting rendition over and above a technical fireworks
display.  I prefer sequence and content over dazzle and awe.  (Of course,
music is never broken down into such precise and discrete categories.
Rather music presentation is always a mixture.)

Given my background and what I am willing to spend my money on, I simply
wanted to let people know my experience with a particular product.  My real
interest is hearing of other tweaks that I might evaluate on my own and
decide if I think the tweak could improve my system.  So thank you for you
comments.  Skeptics are important to the functioning of the planet.  I
consider myself to be one, too!

Jon

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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment


>
> These vague claims (the bass has more authority; the mids have
> more presence; the highs are more polite, or more delicate, or
> more penetrating; sound stage is deeper, or mellower, or sweeter,
> or something) are typical of the claims for various tweaks, as is
> the ridiculously high price (what's in the stuff to make it worth
> $5,120 per gallon?).
>
> Of all the claims, I do believe the stuff is a mild lubricant,
> infinitesimally
> reducing head wear and (possibly) tape flutter.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> jmtooley at ce.net wrote:
>
> >I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur away from
the
> >heads make the sound better?
> >
> >John T.
> >
> >Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Neil:
> >>
> >>I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT)
you
> >>mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
> >>simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
> >>greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is
more
> >>present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
> >>expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
> >>think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
> >>before
> >>playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the
stuff
> >>helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on
using
> >>the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
> >>THT.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Jon
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jul 14 19:45:25 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:45:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <20040714174527.WRKH9720.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

There's a guy on eBay that sells the paper sleeves,  100 sleeves for 12.95 plus $4 shipping.  It's not me but here's a link to the guy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4023937709&rd=1



> 
> From: "wme drewes" <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
> Date: 2004/07/14 Wed PM 12:03:58 EDT
> To: <rjkent at comcast.net>, 
>         "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> 
> I have also found that from Dragon to CR 7 is better than from Dragon to Dragon although all (of 6 units tweaked or being tweaked by Stephen) sound superb to my fading ears!  Whether the CR7 is inferior to the Dragon I dont know. But its established then, eh: Dragon to Inferior::or allways Superior to Inferior ::or Dragon to the Swiss thinga ma bob? That seems to be the what has been given as a definite in these musings in the last day or two!----Dont get ambushed by the African Crocodile!
> My apologies for going slightly off topic 1): where can one get inner sleeves for records(the non PVC type). It seems to me that the latter damages the vinyl over time---- or is that a factor of the humidity we have here? I have this fantastic electric record washer that after the wash immediately vacums and dries the record and in so doing lifts any particles that remain on the cleaned record.One does not want to go through this procedure if the sleeve mucks everything up thereafter!
> 2) Can anyone tell me please whether a Nak TA-4A is very much different than a Nak SR 4A (as far as performance and musicality (WTMB)goes?
> thanks
> walter
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: rjkent at comcast.net 
>   To: naktalk at naks.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:44 PM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> 
> 
>   Greetings,
> 
>   Regarding dubbing from one Nak to another, I agree that playing from a Dragon and recording to the CR-7 is the best possible combination.  This is the easiest way to get the best results because of the Dragon's auto playback azimuth adjust (NAAC), and the CR-7's auto bias and level calibration.  If you play back from a variety of tapes, and record to several different tape types, you can't beat the convenience or the quality of results.  Of course you can get very good results by reversing the lineup, but you then have to make all adjustments manually.  In either case, your decks have to be in proper working order.  Both my Dragon and CR-7 were re-built by Jeff at ESL.  They did a superb job, and although it was expensive, I am extremely happy with the results.
> 
>   For those of you have ordered the Marathon Tape Project Mk II, the San Francisco Session master was recorded on my CR-7 using one of Kannan's donated TDK MA-XG tapes.
> 
>   Robert Kent
> 
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 14 20:02:13 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:02:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental  fundumentals
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Message-ID: <01ac01c469cc$b6562400$1d02a8c0@mine>

Alex,
I got a response on the audiogon forum to chassis.  Here is a link to a
guy in Canada that makes and sells thick gauge copper chassis for about
the "right price".  Please take a look as the copper chassis would be my
first choice after the Plitron unless you have some technical reason for
not using copper.  Wooden external side covers could be made by me
before or after the fact.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3280&item=5708241
412&rd=1

Carl


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Behalf Of Alex Cozac
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:06 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental fundumentals

WHY??????????????????????

ALEX!
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental fundumentals


> dragon!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 5:55 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] fun-dumb-mental fundumentals
>
>
> > whats the  WORST NAK ever made?
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald
> >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 20:37:29 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:37:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
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No.  You'd use the CR7a for RECORDING and the Dragon for playback.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: 13 July 2004 23:19
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
>
>
> Oh, so if I had a CR-7A (which I do) and a Dragon, I would use
> the CR-7A as the playback?  ;-)
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue PM 09:16:51 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> > Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that
> you'll always use
> > the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> >
> > > I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be
> best to record
> > > from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
> > > Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.
> (Of course,
> > it's
> > > no slouch as a recorder, too.)
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > > Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my
> recommendation) and
> > > > is really
> > > > thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of
> recording on
> > > > cassettes in
> > > > the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to
> record tape to
> > > > tape
> > > > from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I
> use a CR-4A
> > > > to Dragon
> > > > combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> > > > If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home
> for, let me know
> > > > directly.
> > > > It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
> > > > attended to by
> > > > someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically
> sophisticated and
> > > > could
> > > > repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jul 14 20:50:39 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:50:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <1a0a99a1a0a06c.1a0a06c1a0a99a@vsnl.net>

Unfortunately I have to differ a bit here as my experience.

I had a chance to own Stephen' personal CR 7 ( fantastic rec replay when it arrived ) and mint Dragon - which finally went to another naktalk member ( Ken kirkpatrick - in TX). This Dragon records better than this CR 7. There are certain reasons ( like brand new components - unlike older machines with aged components)that I found to be responsible for record quality other than just heads/ alignment bias level issues - which is technical. So even lowly Cassette Deck 1  can record better than CR 7 or for that matter Robert Kent' 670ZX plays better than any dragon' I have heard. But because Dragon can align its head to any cassette - still it is a better choice for Playback but for recording - any three head Nak as the head is same and circuit is similar in most cases.
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I have also found that from Dragon to CR 7 is better than from Dragon to =
Dragon although all (of 6 units tweaked or being tweaked by Stephen) =
sound superb to my fading ears!  Whether the CR7 is inferior to the =
Dragon I dont know. But its established then, eh: Dragon to Inferior::or =
allways Superior to Inferior ::or Dragon to the Swiss thinga ma bob? =
That seems to be the what has been given as a definite in these musings =
in the last day or two!----Dont get ambushed by the African Crocodile!
My apologies for going slightly off topic 1): where can one get inner =
sleeves for records(the non PVC type). It seems to me that the latter =
damages the vinyl over time---- or is that a factor of the humidity we =
have here? I have this fantastic electric record washer that after the =
wash immediately vacums and dries the record and in so doing lifts any =
particles that remain on the cleaned record.One does not want to go =
through this procedure if the sleeve mucks everything up thereafter!
2) Can anyone tell me please whether a Nak TA-4A is very much different =
than a Nak SR 4A (as far as performance and musicality (WTMB)goes?
thanks
walter
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  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:44 PM
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  Greetings,

  Regarding dubbing from one Nak to another, I agree that playing from a =
Dragon and recording to the CR-7 is the best possible combination.  This =
is the easiest way to get the best results because of the Dragon's auto =
playback azimuth adjust (NAAC), and the CR-7's auto bias and level =
calibration.  If you play back from a variety of tapes, and record to =
several different tape types, you can't beat the convenience or the =
quality of results.  Of course you can get very good results by =
reversing the lineup, but you then have to make all adjustments =
manually.  In either case, your decks have to be in proper working =
order.  Both my Dragon and CR-7 were re-built by Jeff at ESL.  They did =
a superb job, and although it was expensive, I am extremely happy with =
the results.

  For those of you have ordered the Marathon Tape Project Mk II, the San =
Francisco Session master was recorded on my CR-7 using one of Kannan's =
donated TDK MA-XG tapes.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have also found that from Dragon to =
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Dragon to=20
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musings in=20
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Crocodile!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My apologies for going slightly off =
topic 1): where=20
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that the=20
latter damages the vinyl over time---- or is that a factor of the =
humidity we=20
have here? I have this fantastic electric record washer that after the=20
wash&nbsp;immediately vacums and dries the record and in so doing lifts =
any=20
particles that remain on the cleaned record.One does not want to go =
through this=20
procedure if the sleeve mucks everything up thereafter!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2) Can anyone tell me =
please&nbsp;whether a Nak=20
TA-4A is very much different than a Nak SR 4A (as far as performance and =

musicality (WTMB)goes?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>walter</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Greetings,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regarding dubbing from one Nak to =
another, I=20
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  possible combination.&nbsp;&nbsp;This is the easiest way to get the =
best=20
  results because of the Dragon's auto playback azimuth adjust (NAAC), =
and the=20
  CR-7's auto bias and level calibration.&nbsp; If you play back from a =
variety=20
  of tapes, and record to several different tape types, you can't beat =
the=20
  convenience or the quality of results.&nbsp; Of course you can =
get&nbsp;very=20
  good results by reversing the lineup, but you then have to make all=20
  adjustments manually.&nbsp; In either case, your decks have to be in =
proper=20
  working order.&nbsp; Both my Dragon and CR-7 were re-built by Jeff at=20
  ESL.&nbsp; They did a superb job, and although it was expensive, I am=20
  extremely happy with the results.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For those of you have ordered the =
Marathon Tape=20
  Project Mk II, the San Francisco Session master was recorded on my =
CR-7 using=20
  one of Kannan's donated TDK MA-XG tapes.</FONT></DIV>
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jul 14 20:56:22 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:56:22 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak SR 4A/ TA4A
Message-ID: <1a0fcd21a0a3d1.1a0a3d11a0fcd2@vsnl.net>

 SR 4A is less power ( 60 W RMS per Channel versus TA 4A 100 W). TA 4 A has remote switching of speakers/source etc while SR 4 does not have SR has toroidal transformer while TA 4 has EI type. TA 4 A can have bad workmanship ( of Taiwanese manufacture while SR is well built ( Japanese manufacture)
I was happy to look under the hood of SR 4A while TA 4A is terrible - !!!
Sound - both are remarkable
kannan
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I have also found that from Dragon to CR 7 is better than from Dragon to =
Dragon although all (of 6 units tweaked or being tweaked by Stephen) =
sound superb to my fading ears!  Whether the CR7 is inferior to the =
Dragon I dont know. But its established then, eh: Dragon to Inferior::or =
allways Superior to Inferior ::or Dragon to the Swiss thinga ma bob? =
That seems to be the what has been given as a definite in these musings =
in the last day or two!----Dont get ambushed by the African Crocodile!
My apologies for going slightly off topic 1): where can one get inner =
sleeves for records(the non PVC type). It seems to me that the latter =
damages the vinyl over time---- or is that a factor of the humidity we =
have here? I have this fantastic electric record washer that after the =
wash immediately vacums and dries the record and in so doing lifts any =
particles that remain on the cleaned record.One does not want to go =
through this procedure if the sleeve mucks everything up thereafter!
2) Can anyone tell me please whether a Nak TA-4A is very much different =
than a Nak SR 4A (as far as performance and musicality (WTMB)goes?
thanks
walter
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  From: rjkent at comcast.net=20
  To: naktalk at naks.com=20
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:44 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  Greetings,

  Regarding dubbing from one Nak to another, I agree that playing from a =
Dragon and recording to the CR-7 is the best possible combination.  This =
is the easiest way to get the best results because of the Dragon's auto =
playback azimuth adjust (NAAC), and the CR-7's auto bias and level =
calibration.  If you play back from a variety of tapes, and record to =
several different tape types, you can't beat the convenience or the =
quality of results.  Of course you can get very good results by =
reversing the lineup, but you then have to make all adjustments =
manually.  In either case, your decks have to be in proper working =
order.  Both my Dragon and CR-7 were re-built by Jeff at ESL.  They did =
a superb job, and although it was expensive, I am extremely happy with =
the results.

  For those of you have ordered the Marathon Tape Project Mk II, the San =
Francisco Session master was recorded on my CR-7 using one of Kannan's =
donated TDK MA-XG tapes.

  Robert Kent


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CR7 is=20
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Dragon to=20
Inferior::or allways Superior to Inferior ::or Dragon to the Swiss =
thinga ma=20
bob? That seems to be the what has been given as a definite in these =
musings in=20
the last day or two!----Dont get ambushed by the African =
Crocodile!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My apologies for going slightly off =
topic 1): where=20
can one get inner sleeves for records(the non PVC type). It seems to me =
that the=20
latter damages the vinyl over time---- or is that a factor of the =
humidity we=20
have here? I have this fantastic electric record washer that after the=20
wash&nbsp;immediately vacums and dries the record and in so doing lifts =
any=20
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through this=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2) Can anyone tell me =
please&nbsp;whether a Nak=20
TA-4A is very much different than a Nak SR 4A (as far as performance and =

musicality (WTMB)goes?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thanks</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Greetings,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regarding dubbing from one Nak to =
another, I=20
  agree that playing from a Dragon and recording to the CR-7 is the best =

  possible combination.&nbsp;&nbsp;This is the easiest way to get the =
best=20
  results because of the Dragon's auto playback azimuth adjust (NAAC), =
and the=20
  CR-7's auto bias and level calibration.&nbsp; If you play back from a =
variety=20
  of tapes, and record to several different tape types, you can't beat =
the=20
  convenience or the quality of results.&nbsp; Of course you can =
get&nbsp;very=20
  good results by reversing the lineup, but you then have to make all=20
  adjustments manually.&nbsp; In either case, your decks have to be in =
proper=20
  working order.&nbsp; Both my Dragon and CR-7 were re-built by Jeff at=20
  ESL.&nbsp; They did a superb job, and although it was expensive, I am=20
  extremely happy with the results.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For those of you have ordered the =
Marathon Tape=20
  Project Mk II, the San Francisco Session master was recorded on my =
CR-7 using=20
  one of Kannan's donated TDK MA-XG tapes.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 21:07:39 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:07:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
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Oh, Ron!  You're gonna tell me there is no Santa Claus next!

Baby Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: 14 July 2004 15:17
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
> 
> 
> 
> These vague claims (the bass has more authority; the mids have
> more presence; the highs are more polite, or more delicate, or
> more penetrating; sound stage is deeper, or mellower, or sweeter,
> or something) are typical of the claims for various tweaks, as is
> the ridiculously high price (what's in the stuff to make it worth
> $5,120 per gallon?).
> 
> Of all the claims, I do believe the stuff is a mild lubricant, 
> infinitesimally
> reducing head wear and (possibly) tape flutter.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> 
> jmtooley at ce.net wrote:
> 
> >I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur 
> away from the 
> >heads make the sound better?
> >
> >John T.
> >
> >Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Neil:
> >>
> >>I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head 
> Treatment (THT) you
> >>mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
> >>simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
> >>greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the 
> sound is more
> >>present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
> >>expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
> >>think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
> >>before
> >>playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory 
> says the stuff
> >>helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any 
> tips on using
> >>the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
> >>THT.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Jon
> >>
> 
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jul 14 21:07:41 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:07:41 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
In-Reply-To: <004d01c469bc$2c9a62e0$0e92fea9@wdrewes>
Message-ID: <006901c469d5$d5fb8e40$4ac787d9@oemcomputer>

"Whether the CR7 is inferior to the Dragon I dont know."  I recall Stephen
used to point out that the CR7 had a shorter signal path than the Dragon and
that that would influence it's ability to record more accurately.  However,
the Dragon's auto-azi' adjustment make the Dragon the better replayer.
However, I don't speak from personal experience.   Anyone disagree?

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
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Of wme drewes
  Sent: 14 July 2004 17:04
  To: rjkent at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  I have also found that from Dragon to CR 7 is better than from Dragon to
Dragon although all (of 6 units tweaked or being tweaked by Stephen) sound
superb to my fading ears!  Whether the CR7 is inferior to the Dragon I dont
know. But its established then, eh: Dragon to Inferior::or allways Superior
to Inferior ::or Dragon to the Swiss thinga ma bob? That seems to be the
what has been given as a definite in these musings in the last day or
two!----Dont get ambushed by the African Crocodile!
  My apologies for going slightly off topic 1): where can one get inner
sleeves for records(the non PVC type). It seems to me that the latter
damages the vinyl over time---- or is that a factor of the humidity we have
here? I have this fantastic electric record washer that after the wash
immediately vacums and dries the record and in so doing lifts any particles
that remain on the cleaned record.One does not want to go through this
procedure if the sleeve mucks everything up thereafter!
  2) Can anyone tell me please whether a Nak TA-4A is very much different
than a Nak SR 4A (as far as performance and musicality (WTMB)goes?
  thanks
  walter

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From sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net  Wed Jul 14 21:11:00 2004
From: sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net (Steve Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:11:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
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Thnaks Alex, now all I  need is the Dragon!

Steve S
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From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


> Hi Steve,
>
> To my knowledge, either 1000ZXL and the Dragon, lift the tape, so the
> missing pressure pad it's NOT necessary! You can play such cassettes with
NO
> problem! I hope that I'm not wrong? Any opinion?
>
> Happy listening,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Schmidt" <sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
>
> > Great advise, another quick check is the pressure pad, I have found some
> > with it missing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve S
> >
> >
> > From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:05 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> >
> >
> > > this post is in in reply to a previous post by a Naktalker a few days
> > > ago with questions about 50 cent charity store cassettes.Finally i
feel
> > > qualified to wax prophetic on a Naktalk topic ,as i am somewhat of an
> > > expert on  this particular issue,having collected tapes for this last
> > > ten years.I have ammassed a collection of over 500 tapes of all genres
> > > of music.Most all of them are opened and played-a few are mint
> > > sealed.Here are some of my guidelines for getting tapes at the junk
> > > stores.First-be selective,be VERY selective,unless its something you
> > > absolutely must have to fill a void in your collection.For those 300
> > > tapes i have i have examined way more than 50 times that amount
> > > probably.I will first look at a tape.Does it look like its in near
mint
> > > shape?Are the case and shell original and very clean?Next ,if the tape
> > > is rewound,using your finger,wind the tape out- this takes a litte
> > > while. Does the tape look clean,dark,lightly used and not distorted or
> > > chewed up?Does the mechanism roll freely?checking these factors
greatly
> > > reduces,but does not eliminate your chances for getting a bad
> > > tape-remember,most used tapes are no good. If the tape is in
> > > mid-spool,then there may be a stretch or distortion.thats ok,as long
as
> > > it is confined to that one spot-again,roll it a little on both sides
of
> > > that spot and check.Look for batches of tapes from the same owner who
> > > donated them and took care of them and did not play them to
death.Learn
> > > to recognize tapes that have been sitting there for awhile as opposed
to
> > > tapes that were recently brought out.In general,the  good tapes just
put
> > > out arent there because i have already found them and bought 'em-the
> > > rest are trash.Bargain hunt-just last week i bought 17.00 worth of
used
> > > tapes for 10 cents each.Most of them arent any good,but i found some
> > > real gems in that group too.Im not sure about the availability of good
> > > program material at retail these days,but even if you can find
them,they
> > > are still as expensive as ever,plus there is a lot of good music in
> > > there as well on some sturdy type 1 tapes that i can enjoy on a
> > > non-critical listening basis on my mid-grade decks like my yamaha,or
> > > even my tri-tracer.I suggest you buy a boombox or a guinea pig
deck(you
> > > can also use it as a rewinder to save wear on your good naks) to
listen
> > > to a good tape once or twice before you subject it to your dragon or
> > > what not.what about quality of tapes?Stick with the analouge.the
digital
> > > domain really doesnt translate well to the cassettemedium,and although
> > > there are some few digital cassettes that are clean and very
> > > dynamic,nearly all of them are insipidly vapid.I best rap this up,some
> > > of you are likely getting miffed at me taking up so much space on your
> > > geek boxes.In conclusion let me say that there is some reall
astounding
> > > and fantastic music available on pre-recorded cassette.try the
> > > Londons,rca red seals,and many many others.many  ,if not most times,
you
> > > will be disapointed and end up donating the tape back from whence it
> > > came,but finding that special brilliant rich warm and vibrant
classical
> > > or jazz tape makes it worthwhile. It may give up a little in terms of
> > > sonic quality Vis-a-Vis its L.P. incarnation( a little veiled perhaps)
> > > but as we all know,L.P.'s are even harder to find  in perfect
condition
> > > used. there is also lots and lots of lightly used rock and country
> > > western tapes out there-for how long i dont know,but this seems to be
a
> > > good time to look still,but you gotta be diligent,but the odds are
good
> > > you may find at least one nice tape the very first time you look.
> > >
> > > thank you very much,
> > > gerald
> > >
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Jul 14 21:16:29 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:16:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak SR 4A/ TA4A
In-Reply-To: <1a0fcd21a0a3d1.1a0a3d11a0fcd2@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040714151200.02623f78@psulias.psu.edu>

Really?  I though the TAs came out before the SRs, and were more likely to 
be built in Japan.  I'll have to check out my TA-4A tonight to see where it 
came from.

None the less, it's a truly outstanding receiver, particularly the amp of 
the TA4.  TA4 has tons of inputs as well.  Phono (MM or MC), 3 tapes, 2 or 
3 video, CD.  TA also has variable loudness, which is a neat little feature.

At 11:56 AM 7/14/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>  SR 4A is less power ( 60 W RMS per Channel versus TA 4A 100 W). TA 4 A 
> has remote switching of speakers/source etc while SR 4 does not have SR 
> has toroidal transformer while TA 4 has EI type. TA 4 A can have bad 
> workmanship ( of Taiwanese manufacture while SR is well built ( Japanese 
> manufacture)
>I was happy to look under the hood of SR 4A while TA 4A is terrible - !!!
>Sound - both are remarkable
>kannan
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jul 14 21:23:25 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:23:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RX505 better than a Dragon?!?!!?
Message-ID: <20040714192325.XYRT19953.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

I thought you guys would get a kick out of this.  FWIW, it's a pretty decent deal if you read the whole description.  I just got a kick out of his title.  RX505 better than a Dragon

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5709784219&category=64598&sspagename=rvi:1:1




From rjkent at comcast.net  Wed Jul 14 22:01:13 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:01:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] TA-4A vs SR-4A
Message-ID: <002a01c469dd$511695a0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Walter,

I agree with Kannan.  The TA-4A sounds extremely good, but when you look inside, the build quality is not as good as you might like to see.  I have not looked inside an SR-4A, but I have 7 Nak decks, and they all exhibit better quality worksmanship (wire organization, solder quality, etc.) than the TA-4A.  Having said that, I would not give up my TA-4A....I use it in my bedroom system with my RX-505, and it works extremely well.

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul 15 02:58:12 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:58:12 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <000501c4690f$fda6a7c0$c8a387d9@oemcomputer><001c01c46940$3ff65c30$81773242@CopyTech>
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As long as your both beasts are properly aligned, I don't see why you can not do so.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Moore 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  Greetings Carlos,
  Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
  Mike Moore


  El Magnifico wrote:

Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use
the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.

Carlos

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From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,
    it's
  no slouch as a recorder, too.)

Gra'

    -----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Michael Moore
Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
is really
thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
cassettes in
the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
tape
from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
to Dragon
combination for this. What would you all recommend?
If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
directly.
It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
attended to by
someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
could
repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
(Atlanta) as far as
I know.)
Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
Mike Moore




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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul 15 02:59:09 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:59:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
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Well, just use your ears and judgment. Always use the best sounding deck for
pb.

Carlos

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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


> Oh, so if I had a CR-7A (which I do) and a Dragon, I would use the CR-7A
as the playback?  ;-)
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue PM 09:16:51 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> > Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always
use
> > the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> >
> > > I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to
record
> > > from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
> > > Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of
course,
> > it's
> > > no slouch as a recorder, too.)
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > > Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation)
and
> > > > is really
> > > > thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording
on
> > > > cassettes in
> > > > the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record
tape to
> > > > tape
> > > > from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a
CR-4A
> > > > to Dragon
> > > > combination for this. What would you all recommend?
> > > > If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me
know
> > > > directly.
> > > > It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
> > > > attended to by
> > > > someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated
and
> > > > could
> > > > repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
> > > > (Atlanta) as far as
> > > > I know.)
> > > > Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
> > > > Mike Moore
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul 15 03:01:19 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:01:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <003201c46975$61664940$d5e94c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <007901c46a07$3de43da0$81773242@CopyTech>

Absolutely !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:37 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  Dragon to ReVox more like, eh Carlos?!!

  Gra'

    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Moore
    Sent: 13 July 2004 23:15
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


    Greetings Carlos,
    Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
    Mike Moore


    El Magnifico wrote:

Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always use
the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  I might be wrong in this but I'd have thought is might be best to record
from the Dragon to CR-4 rather than the other way around because the
Dragon's great strength is its ability to play back tapes.  (Of course,
    it's
  no slouch as a recorder, too.)

Gra'

    -----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Michael Moore
Sent: 13 July 2004 15:52
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


A friend of mine recently purchased a Dragon (on my recommendation) and
is really
thrilled with the sound on playback. He has done a lot of recording on
cassettes in
the past (on rather weak equipment) and would now like to record tape to
tape
from these and other commercially produced tapes he has. I use a CR-4A
to Dragon
combination for this. What would you all recommend?
If anyone has a deck they would like to find a new home for, let me know
directly.
It would have to be in very good shape (preferable "Sanktified" or
attended to by
someone knowledgeable, as he is not at all technically sophisticated and
could
repair nothing. We don't even have a great repair person locally
(Atlanta) as far as
I know.)
Thanks for the ideas/opinions/recommendations,
Mike Moore




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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul 15 03:03:47 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:03:47 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <002701c469b1$0a497290$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <00b601c46a07$95e47830$81773242@CopyTech>

Superb sound, I have to agree !

Carlos

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:44 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


  Greetings,

  Regarding dubbing from one Nak to another, I agree that playing from a Dragon and recording to the CR-7 is the best possible combination.  This is the easiest way to get the best results because of the Dragon's auto playback azimuth adjust (NAAC), and the CR-7's auto bias and level calibration.  If you play back from a variety of tapes, and record to several different tape types, you can't beat the convenience or the quality of results.  Of course you can get very good results by reversing the lineup, but you then have to make all adjustments manually.  In either case, your decks have to be in proper working order.  Both my Dragon and CR-7 were re-built by Jeff at ESL.  They did a superb job, and although it was expensive, I am extremely happy with the results.

  For those of you have ordered the Marathon Tape Project Mk II, the San Francisco Session master was recorded on my CR-7 using one of Kannan's donated TDK MA-XG tapes.

  Robert Kent


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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul 15 03:05:26 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:05:26 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <003201c46975$61664940$d5e94c51@oemcomputer>
	<005301c469cc$0b73cd80$0f299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <00e901c46a07$d1e35b30$81773242@CopyTech>

Yes, you are right Salim.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


>
> Apart from such taboo and misbehaved referencing to other brand of deck,
> that was an interesting question: dragon is a killer playback deck and
with
> its rec adjust facility can be used as a good recorder too - how come (to
> me) its recording result sounds inferior to CR7 or even ZX ?
>
> BTW I think Carlos meant the best deck (not recorder) for playback.
>
> Cheers,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
>
>
> > Dragon to ReVox more like, eh Carlos?!!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf
> > Of Michael Moore
> >   Sent: 13 July 2004 23:15
> >   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >   Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
> >
> >
> >   Greetings Carlos,
> >   Do you think Dragon to Dragon would be best?
> >   Mike Moore
> >
> >
> >   El Magnifico wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely right, Gra'. Basic recording rules states that you'll always
> use
> > the best recorder for playback and the other for recording.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Jul 15 00:56:01 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:56:01 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c469cd$46e76b00$0500000a@uswest.net>
References: <BAY2-F37i5ww5e7TgW500011d55@hotmail.com>	<003701c4693a$c94b6e40$0500000a@uswest.net><1089808138.40f5270a45ace@mail.ce.net>	<40F54074.1060902@rcn.com>
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Jon,

I, too, place a higher priority on musical content, rather than on 
technical
perfection. So, on that score, we are coming from the same place. 
However, I
am rather technical. Being an engineer, I tend to ask technical 
questions. When
a tweak is claimed to cause such and such an effect, I wonder why and -- 
when
an answer is not obvious -- whether the claim makes any sense at all.

In this case, you describe the effect of  THT as "The dynamic range seems
significantly greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; 
the sound is
more present in the room. Try as I might, I cannot explain how can 
lubricating
the head increase dynamic range, or improve the S/N ratio, or make the sound
more present. If anything, an additional layer of finite thickness 
between the head
and tape could cause the reverse effects.

Not that I doubt that this is what you are hearing. Not for a second. 
However,
what we hear (as a physical event) is filtered by our brain to produce 
what we
perceive (as a psychoacoustic phenomenon). IOW, human hearing is a very
poor measuring device for evaluating tweaks. (This is fully exploited by 
people
peddling various tweaks to 'believers'.)

One way to circumvent the problem is to conduct blind (better still, double
blind) listening tests. You'll be surprised how many emphatic claims 
disappear
in blind testing... People that swore a specific speaker cable is hugely 
superior
to lamp cord suddenly can't tell the two apart in blind tests, etc.. For 
THT ,
a blind test is kinda difficult to arrange; until this happens, I will 
remain a sceptic.
I am sure that you will continue to happily use THT -- why not? After 
all, your
choices are governed by what you hear, not what I think  :-).

Peace,

-- Ron


>Ron,
>
>Being non technical, I do not understand exactly how the THT works, but I do
>believe you are correct that it acts as a mild lubricant.  I have a Studer
>A710 deck which has a tendency to crinkle tapes if they are thin, such as a
>TDK SA-X 100 or a Maxell XL-IIS 100.  After using the THT I tried many TDK
>SA-X tapes, but could not get one to crinkle.  So yes, I do believe there is
>a mild lubricant quality to the THT.
>
>As to the "vague claims" concept, I agree there is imprecision in language,
>but how else can one explain qualities that are somewhat ephemeral to begin
>with?  I think we are entering the arena of aesthetics and tastes.   I
>happen to have a Bachelor's degree in music theory and analysis.  In no way
>does that make my tastes more valid than anyone else's.  However, my
>preference is for musical expression over technical perfection.  Not that I
>dislike technical perfection, but I prefer, if a choice had to be made, a
>musically interesting rendition over and above a technical fireworks
>display.  I prefer sequence and content over dazzle and awe.  (Of course,
>music is never broken down into such precise and discrete categories.
>Rather music presentation is always a mixture.)
>
>Given my background and what I am willing to spend my money on, I simply
>wanted to let people know my experience with a particular product.  My real
>interest is hearing of other tweaks that I might evaluate on my own and
>decide if I think the tweak could improve my system.  So thank you for you
>comments.  Skeptics are important to the functioning of the planet.  I
>consider myself to be one, too!
>
>Jon
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:17 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
>
>
>  
>
>>These vague claims (the bass has more authority; the mids have
>>more presence; the highs are more polite, or more delicate, or
>>more penetrating; sound stage is deeper, or mellower, or sweeter,
>>or something) are typical of the claims for various tweaks, as is
>>the ridiculously high price (what's in the stuff to make it worth
>>$5,120 per gallon?).
>>
>>Of all the claims, I do believe the stuff is a mild lubricant,
>>infinitesimally
>>reducing head wear and (possibly) tape flutter.
>>
>>-- Ron
>>
>>
>>jmtooley at ce.net wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur away from
>>>      
>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>heads make the sound better?
>>>
>>>John T.
>>>
>>>Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Neil:
>>>>
>>>>I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT)
>>>>        
>>>>
>you
>  
>
>>>>mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
>>>>simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
>>>>greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is
>>>>        
>>>>
>more
>  
>
>>>>present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
>>>>expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
>>>>think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
>>>>before
>>>>playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the
>>>>        
>>>>
>stuff
>  
>
>>>>helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on
>>>>        
>>>>
>using
>  
>
>>>>the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
>>>>THT.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Jon
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>





From ra.ah at rcn.com  Thu Jul 15 00:59:08 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:59:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
In-Reply-To: <006801c469d5$d4de3760$4ac787d9@oemcomputer>
References: <006801c469d5$d4de3760$4ac787d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <40F5BABC.3040706@rcn.com>


Of course, there is. I saw quite a few of them last December.

-- Ron

Nelson wrote:

>Oh, Ron!  You're gonna tell me there is no Santa Claus next!
>
>Baby Gra'
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of Ron
>>Sent: 14 July 2004 15:17
>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
>>
>>
>>
>>These vague claims (the bass has more authority; the mids have
>>more presence; the highs are more polite, or more delicate, or
>>more penetrating; sound stage is deeper, or mellower, or sweeter,
>>or something) are typical of the claims for various tweaks, as is
>>the ridiculously high price (what's in the stuff to make it worth
>>$5,120 per gallon?).
>>
>>Of all the claims, I do believe the stuff is a mild lubricant, 
>>infinitesimally
>>reducing head wear and (possibly) tape flutter.
>>
>>-- Ron
>>
>>
>>jmtooley at ce.net wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur 
>>>      
>>>
>>away from the 
>>    
>>
>>>heads make the sound better?
>>>
>>>John T.
>>>
>>>Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Neil:
>>>>
>>>>I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>Treatment (THT) you
>>    
>>
>>>>mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
>>>>simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
>>>>greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>sound is more
>>    
>>
>>>>present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
>>>>expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
>>>>think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
>>>>before
>>>>playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>says the stuff
>>    
>>
>>>>helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>tips on using
>>    
>>
>>>>the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
>>>>THT.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Jon
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>    
>>
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Thu Jul 15 02:45:14 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:45:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
In-Reply-To: <006801c469d5$d4de3760$4ac787d9@oemcomputer>
References: <40F54074.1060902@rcn.com>
	<006801c469d5$d4de3760$4ac787d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040714204344.02566b00@pop.iquebec.com>

There is definitely a Santa Claus. I saw him at the shopping mall last 
December. Kids were having their picture taken with him. He is for real.

At 15:07 2004/07/14, you wrote:
>Oh, Ron!  You're gonna tell me there is no Santa Claus next!
>
>Baby Gra'




From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Thu Jul 15 02:58:47 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:58:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak SR 4A/ TA4A
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040714151200.02623f78@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <1a0fcd21a0a3d1.1a0a3d11a0fcd2@vsnl.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040714151200.02623f78@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040714205221.02345830@pop.iquebec.com>

TAs definitely came after SRs. For the record, SR stood for Stasis Receiver 
while TA stood for Tuner Amplifier.

-Marc

At 15:16 2004/07/14, you wrote:
>Really?  I though the TAs came out before the SRs, and were more likely to 
>be built in Japan.  I'll have to check out my TA-4A tonight to see where 
>it came from.
>
>None the less, it's a truly outstanding receiver, particularly the amp of 
>the TA4.  TA4 has tons of inputs as well.  Phono (MM or MC), 3 tapes, 2 or 
>3 video, CD.  TA also has variable loudness, which is a neat little feature.
>
>At 11:56 AM 7/14/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>  SR 4A is less power ( 60 W RMS per Channel versus TA 4A 100 W). TA 4 A 
>> has remote switching of speakers/source etc while SR 4 does not have SR 
>> has toroidal transformer while TA 4 has EI type. TA 4 A can have bad 
>> workmanship ( of Taiwanese manufacture while SR is well built ( Japanese 
>> manufacture)
>>I was happy to look under the hood of SR 4A while TA 4A is terrible - !!!
>>Sound - both are remarkable
>>kannan
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Jul 15 03:21:49 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:21:49 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
References: <3804-40F51368-79@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
	<007701c469b6$d4c4d410$0200a8c0@down>
	<BAY18-DAV7RH9HWP5Rv0001e0f1@hotmail.com>
	<003801c469d6$4cec7820$0200a8c0@down>
Message-ID: <003d01c46a0c$c50c83a0$13299bca@aisha>


All dual capstan Naks have pressure pad lifter, even the 2 head models like
LX3.  That's what made Nak so proud of its precision tension / mechanism -
and made its pb head lasts longer.  Only newer 2 head models bx1/2/150 cr1/2
rx202 need pressure pads.

Just for fun I tried installing padlifters on some other dual capstan decks
with various results: unstable on S**y, quite good on A**i and no problem at
all for R***x.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Schmidt" <sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


> Thnaks Alex, now all I  need is the Dragon!
>
> Steve S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
>
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > To my knowledge, either 1000ZXL and the Dragon, lift the tape, so the
> > missing pressure pad it's NOT necessary! You can play such cassettes
with
> NO
> > problem! I hope that I'm not wrong? Any opinion?
> >
> > Happy listening,
> >
> > ALEX!




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Jul 15 03:31:29 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:31:29 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak SR 4A/ TA4A
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040714151200.02623f78@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <003e01c46a0c$c5bbfd80$13299bca@aisha>


I think SRs came out earlier.  Although it uses regular transformer, SR3 has
the same 'japanese built ruggedness look' compared to taiwanese RE series
(thinner pcb etc), however I can't hear significant difference between SR3
and 4.  Tuner sections on both SRs are now dead, finito, and I really can't
imagine how Nak at that point in time can be so consistent in producing very
bad quality tuners.

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak SR 4A/ TA4A


> Really?  I though the TAs came out before the SRs, and were more likely to
> be built in Japan.  I'll have to check out my TA-4A tonight to see where
it
> came from.
>
> None the less, it's a truly outstanding receiver, particularly the amp of
> the TA4.  TA4 has tons of inputs as well.  Phono (MM or MC), 3 tapes, 2 or
> 3 video, CD.  TA also has variable loudness, which is a neat little
feature.
>
> At 11:56 AM 7/14/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >  SR 4A is less power ( 60 W RMS per Channel versus TA 4A 100 W). TA 4 A
> > has remote switching of speakers/source etc while SR 4 does not have SR
> > has toroidal transformer while TA 4 has EI type. TA 4 A can have bad
> > workmanship ( of Taiwanese manufacture while SR is well built ( Japanese
> > manufacture)
> >I was happy to look under the hood of SR 4A while TA 4A is terrible - !!!
> >Sound - both are remarkable
> >kannan
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Jul 15 04:25:10 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:25:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] santa clause
Message-ID: <19686-40F5EB06-207@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>

i dont know how to tell you all this in a way that will not shatter your
childhood dreams,but i am afraid there really is no santa clause. i know
because i found out myself a couple of years ago and im nearly 100
percent certain i am right.You see,i was a good boy all year and i wrote
to santa asking for  the top of the line mark levinson amps and a pair
of martin logan monoliths.Needless to say,come christmas morning there
was nothing under the tree except some damn socks and a shirt.

thank you very much,
gerald



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 06:13:51 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:13:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
References: <3804-40F51368-79@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net><007701c469b6$d4c4d410$0200a8c0@down><BAY18-DAV7RH9HWP5Rv0001e0f1@hotmail.com><003801c469d6$4cec7820$0200a8c0@down>
	<003d01c46a0c$c50c83a0$13299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10HQq0APOi00021ef4@hotmail.com>

Sorry Salim!

You are a little bit wrong! The earliest ones 700 and 700/2 1000 and 1000/2
also use dual capstan system WITH NO PRESSURE PAD LIFTER!
Only for your cute information!, the newer ones YES!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


>
> All dual capstan Naks have pressure pad lifter, even the 2 head models
like
> LX3.  That's what made Nak so proud of its precision tension / mechanism -
> and made its pb head lasts longer.  Only newer 2 head models bx1/2/150
cr1/2
> rx202 need pressure pads.
>
> Just for fun I tried installing padlifters on some other dual capstan
decks
> with various results: unstable on S**y, quite good on A**i and no problem
at
> all for R***x.
>
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Schmidt" <sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
>
> > Thnaks Alex, now all I  need is the Dragon!
> >
> > Steve S
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> >
> >
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > To my knowledge, either 1000ZXL and the Dragon, lift the tape, so the
> > > missing pressure pad it's NOT necessary! You can play such cassettes
> with
> > NO
> > > problem! I hope that I'm not wrong? Any opinion?
> > >
> > > Happy listening,
> > >
> > > ALEX!
>
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Jul 15 07:10:44 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:10:44 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
Message-ID: <1b5bc185d1.185d11b5bc@indosat.net.id>


Thank you Alex ... I never had any experience with early naks, even those 'newer ones' to me are 'old nak mechanism' =)  In any case, even latest DR decks dual capstan sankyo mechanisms use padlifter, so no worries about missing pads unless you're interested with very early Naks.

Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes

> Sorry Salim!
> 
> You are a little bit wrong! The earliest ones 700 and 700/2 1000 
> and 1000/2
> also use dual capstan system WITH NO PRESSURE PAD LIFTER!
> Only for your cute information!, the newer ones YES!
> 
> Happy Listening,
> 
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> 
> 
> >
> > All dual capstan Naks have pressure pad lifter, even the 2 head 
> modelslike




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 09:02:15 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:02:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
References: <1b5bc185d1.185d11b5bc@indosat.net.id>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV17wbDz3zbw00008aba@hotmail.com>

Shalom Salim,

Thanks for your information, we always will learn!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


>
> Thank you Alex ... I never had any experience with early naks, even those
'newer ones' to me are 'old nak mechanism' =)  In any case, even latest DR
decks dual capstan sankyo mechanisms use padlifter, so no worries about
missing pads unless you're interested with very early Naks.
>
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:13 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
> > Sorry Salim!
> >
> > You are a little bit wrong! The earliest ones 700 and 700/2 1000
> > and 1000/2
> > also use dual capstan system WITH NO PRESSURE PAD LIFTER!
> > Only for your cute information!, the newer ones YES!
> >
> > Happy Listening,
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> >
> >
> > >
> > > All dual capstan Naks have pressure pad lifter, even the 2 head
> > modelslike
>
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 22:26:23 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:26:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
In-Reply-To: <40F54FF5.1000808@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20040714202623.33809.qmail@web41412.mail.yahoo.com>

Brian, 
 
         what model was yr CD player?
 
BG

Brian Stocker <britri at comcast.net> wrote:
Creative Tech that Stephen. I remember a Mac CD player I sent him with 
troubles and he played it in the refrigerator for a spell, just to be 
sure it would operate in my igloo (just kidding about the igloo)

Brian

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 23:00:02 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:00:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
Message-ID: <BAY2-F29UfdfdhNzW3l0003b6ec@hotmail.com>

Better clarity.


>From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:16:33 +0300
>
>Sounds interesting. Has any effect while recording???
>Any frequency improvement felt???
>Thanks.
>Tayfur
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:37 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
>
>
> > Use it on my 505 since new....as well as on my Teac X2000R.
> >
> > neil
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jonathan Ochi" <jochi at qwest.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
> > >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:37:47 -0700
> > >
> > >Neil:
> > >
> > >I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT)
>you
> > >mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
> > >simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
> > >greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is 
>more
> > >present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
> > >expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
> > >think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
> > >before
> > >playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the
>stuff
> > >helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on
>using
> > >the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
> > >THT.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Jon
> > >
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 22:25:23 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:25:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
In-Reply-To: <OF065BB5B0.DC5764E7-ON86256ED1.00572C1C-86256ED1.0057711A@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20040714202523.41225.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com>

I dont have the schematic at hand, at the moment. I am thinking of ordering it. As I last reported, I tried leaving it on for hours, but its still in coma. 
 
BG

gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote:

Can you possibly forward a schematic of the 1000ZXL circuit(s) you speak of? Who knows, I may see something I may be able to help with. 

Gary 



>>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 zxl on ebay
To: naktalk at naks.com
Message-ID: <20040713163136.19458.qmail at web41403.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Well, I think this beau is going to be resigned to the RIP list like the Tandberg r2r decks? Those decks use a logic board based on an obsolete 12v logic IC. Looking at the schematics, I think it shouldnt be too much work designing a replacement circuit. But with the 1000ZXL, i dont know guys but I think we have to wake those engineers from retirement to come up with something. Also, today I hauled in up and powered it on. The small bulb on the cassette compartment lights up. And the 70uS indicator lights up. Thats it. I load a cassette, and nothing happens. I switch the eq switch but the indicator refuses to change. Even the vu display doesnt light up. Under the bonnnet, the motors are not turning. I have this fear that the power supply may have given the ghost as the power regulators are not warm. I see four power regulators and they are all stone cold. What could have gone wrong?

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 23:03:05 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:03:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
Message-ID: <BAY2-F10ub5Uu5NrgXX0004e167@hotmail.com>

Some things do baffle us...take the following:

I placed a VPI brick on the power trans. of my Audio Research amps...and the 
sound did improve as far as focus...and no I was not drinking!

Neil


>From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Last Tape Head Treatment
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:17:25 -0400
>
>
>These vague claims (the bass has more authority; the mids have
>more presence; the highs are more polite, or more delicate, or
>more penetrating; sound stage is deeper, or mellower, or sweeter,
>or something) are typical of the claims for various tweaks, as is
>the ridiculously high price (what's in the stuff to make it worth
>$5,120 per gallon?).
>
>Of all the claims, I do believe the stuff is a mild lubricant, 
>infinitesimally
>reducing head wear and (possibly) tape flutter.
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>jmtooley at ce.net wrote:
>
>>I don't believe it. How can something that keeps tape furthur away from 
>>the heads make the sound better?
>>
>>John T.
>>
>>Quoting Jonathan Ochi <jochi at qwest.net>:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Neil:
>>>
>>>I did order, receive and use the Last Factory Tape Head Treatment (THT) 
>>>you
>>>mentioned several days ago.  I am quite impressed with the stuff.  You
>>>simply brush it on the heads.  The dynamic range seems significantly
>>>greater; the background is quieter; the bass is deeper; the sound is more
>>>present in the room.  Forty dollars (with shipping) seemed kind of
>>>expensive, but you only use a tiny amount of THT for each tape play.  I
>>>think the stuff is very nice and well worth the money.  I am using it
>>>before
>>>playing any and all tapes.  As a side benefit, Last Factory says the 
>>>stuff
>>>helps reduce wear on tape heads and guides.   Do you have any tips on 
>>>using
>>>the stuff?  Or do any other Naktalkers have any experience in using the
>>>THT.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Thu Jul 15 00:18:03 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:18:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] TA-4A vs SR-4A
In-Reply-To: <002a01c469dd$511695a0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFCEJKCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

In 1989 I was shopping for a receiver/amp. The TA series amps sounded great.
TA2 very close if not better than Adcom 535 and TA4 slightly thinner than
Adcom 555 (comparable prices at the time with addition of Adcom's
preamp/tuner). I have purchased TA2, and it has been maintenance disaster
ever since - made in Taiwan. I had an SR3 for a while and it was superior in
dependability compartment.

Stan
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of rjkent at comcast.net
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:01 PM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] TA-4A vs SR-4A


  Walter,

  I agree with Kannan.  The TA-4A sounds extremely good, but when you look
inside, the build quality is not as good as you might like to see.  I have
not looked inside an SR-4A, but I have 7 Nak decks, and they all exhibit
better quality worksmanship (wire organization, solder quality, etc.) than
the TA-4A.  Having said that, I would not give up my TA-4A....I use it in my
bedroom system with my RX-505, and it works extremely well.

  Robert Kent
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From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com  Wed Jul 14 17:58:09 2004
From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:58:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <OF52019953.815F6DBC-ON86256ED1.00578427-86256ED1.0057B90C@crnotes2.rockwellcollins.com>

I sent several e-mails before I finally picked up the phone and called. 
Reached him almost immediately and sent my deck in the next day. Received 
it back in less than 3 weeks!

Gary


Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <19068d31905876.190587619068d3 at vsnl.net>
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Why does he not reply mails from me particularly? ( or from Graham ???)
kannan
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jul 15 05:09:10 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:09:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] santa clause
Message-ID: <20040715030910.EHVL20527.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

You're the Gerald I've been looking for all this time!!

Santa dropped them off over here!!  You can pick them up next year.


> 
> From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> Date: 2004/07/14 Wed PM 10:25:10 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] santa clause
> 
> i dont know how to tell you all this in a way that will not shatter your
> childhood dreams,but i am afraid there really is no santa clause. i know
> because i found out myself a couple of years ago and im nearly 100
> percent certain i am right.You see,i was a good boy all year and i wrote
> to santa asking for  the top of the line mark levinson amps and a pair
> of martin logan monoliths.Needless to say,come christmas morning there
> was nothing under the tree except some damn socks and a shirt.
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Thu Jul 15 05:24:12 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:24:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals &
	Hi!
Message-ID: <001a01c46a1b$330bd050$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Hi, everybody--I am a new member, and have been watching the posts for the last couple of months just getting to know you all.  I thought this current thread was a good time to join the chorus!

I am a lifelong Nak enthusiast--my first deck was the 500, all I could afford as a 16 year old.  I still have some wonderful recordings made on UDXL-II's from that deck that are still vibrant and trouble-free.  It never did like TDK stuff.  Later, misdirected scholarship money in Grad school got me an LX-3,  which I eventually traded in on a NAD 6340 (don't ask!).  That deck shone with the Maxells, Sony UX-Pros and Sony Metal SR's, all of which are dropout-free despite years of neglect when I followed the popular stampede to CD and digital sound.

My return to analog was a kind of epiphany--I was doing a side-by-side comparison of some Chopin Preludes I had recently recorded digitally and some older analog ones just to hear how much my playing had changed (I'm a classical pianist).  In the interest of objectivity, I opened a bottle of wine, dimmed the lights and listened.  I made the decision then to return to analog.

Which Nak to get?  After much reflection, I was all set on a Dragon, but I wondered why so many of them were selling on EBay.  The ZX-9 captured my attention, as it was Nakamichi's reference recording deck, and recorded a wonderful piano.  Those are hard to find!  Then, I found Stephen Sank's name popping up all over the place.

I can assure you he is very much alive and well--after much generous consultation with him, I settled on a Sanktified CR-7.  My donor deck needed the gear drive mod and rec/eq circuit upgrade.  He also upgraded the Dolby circuits and power supply.  Brilliant work!

Best decks? Mr. Sank felt the CR-7 the best of the Naks (in terms of sound, design, construction and engineering), the Revox B215 second (more robust and more solidly built than the CR-7, but not quite as rich sounding),   Dragon 3rd, 1000ZXL 4th and ZX-9 last.  A pro-CR-7 British review is interesting: 

http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html

At this level of performance, I honestly think the audible differences are very personal, and depend largely on the skill of the individual operator.  Regardless, I am very happy with the result--Mr. Sank has a customer for life here!

Re the death of cassettes--some semi serious hunting has proved fruitful.  Over the last 6 months I have purchased 30 BASF Reference Master II's 60's, 20 Maxell XLIIS 100's, 20 Sony Metal SR 100's (with as many more as I want on condition of the seller's anonymity), 5 TDK MA-XG 90's, 20 Fuji ZII 60's, 40 TDK MA-90's, 50 DRII-90's, and one genuine Nak ZX-90.   There's still TONS of tape out there in warehouses!

If you're looking for excellent quality service manuals at a great price, check out the seller techman777 on EBay--I ordered about 7 reprints, and they're great!

I promise my future postings will be models of brevity ;-)
It's good to be a part of this group!

Best,

Paul Dingle

    

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From mahays at nwlink.com  Thu Jul 15 05:30:34 2004
From: mahays at nwlink.com (Mike Hays)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:30:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] new guy on the block
Message-ID: <005501c46a1c$1a1f3d60$0300a8c0@nwlink.com>

Hello,

I've been reading all of your posts for about a week and decided that I would jump in with my story.  I am a newbie to the "Nak" world.  I have known of them for years, but always considered them way too expensive for my budget.  Over the last few years I have been gradually building up my stereo system.  Two weeks ago I stopped in to the local thrift shop and spotted a Nak BX-2 for $9.  In testing every light worked, I could tell it was trying to spin but assumed the belts were bad.  I looked for info online and quickly discovered the idler tire problem and how to fix it with a new tire.  Two days later at the same thrift shop...a Nax BX-150 for $6 that seemed to have the same problem.  I bought it, came home and quickly ordered several tires from TCM (I think that's it).  Then, I couldn't believe it but one week later...same shop...a BX-125 in the same condition for $9.  I've cleaned up all three, replaced the idler tires and they work great!  From this website and others I have learned they are rather low end in the Nak lineup but seem pretty good to me.  My question is how much better are the more expensive/sophisticated models?  Do the three head units really sound that much better?  In other words, now that I'm hooked is it worth tracking down a "better" machine?  I do some recording of LPs, etc. and have used a minidisc to record live jazz.  I read one note that believed a good cassette deck can create a more pleasing recording than a minidisc...is that true?  Thanks for letting me ramble on a bit.  I enjoy learning from all you experts out there.

Mike H
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From ti at amb.org  Thu Jul 15 09:57:09 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:57:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] new guy on the block
In-Reply-To: <005501c46a1c$1a1f3d60$0300a8c0@nwlink.com> from "Mike Hays" at
	Jul 14, 2004 10:30:34 PM
Message-ID: <200407150757.HAA15896@amb.org>

Mike Hays writes:
> ...
> and others I have learned they are rather low end in the Nak lineup but =
> seem pretty good to me.  My question is how much better are the more =
> expensive/sophisticated models?  Do the three head units really sound =
> that much better?

There is no question that the higher 3-head models are superior.
As for "how much" better, you can compare specs, but it really boils
down to something much more subjective.  The difference may be minor
to some but "night and day" to others.  So, you really have to make
that decision for yourself.

Some of the higher Nak models have attractive features that are lacking
in the lower models, such as auto bias/level calibration (CR-7) or auto
playback azimuth correction (Dragon).  Several high-line models provide
manual bias/level calibration with built-in tone generators and allows
you to make meaningful adjustments by looking at the meters.  The Dragon
is also the only Nak to have dual direct-drive capstan motors (necessitated
by its auto reverse capability, but provides tangible benefits in and of
itself).  3-head Naks have Crystalloy heads with optimized gaps for
each of the record and playback heads, compared to a more compromised
design on 2-head units.

Even a 2-head Nak, if in good condition, can outperform most decks from
other makes in similar class, or even many other 3-head units.

> tracking down a "better" machine?  I do some recording of LPs, etc. and =
> have used a minidisc to record live jazz.  I read one note that believed =
> a good cassette deck can create a more pleasing recording than a =
> minidisc...is that true?

There is definitely a difference in sound between minidisc and analog
cassettes (especially when played on a Nak).  The minidisc employs lossy
data compression and has some audible digital artifacts.

A Nak cassette deck in good calibration, however, gives a much more
full, warm and pleasing sound yet lacks nothing in clarity.  You have to
take care to avoid saturating the tape when recording, but analog tapes
are much more graceful when pushed to the limit than any digital recording
medium.  Naks are usually very quiet so Dolby can be left "off" most
of the time.  Without the extra Dolby processing you get better sound

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 11:07:26 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:07:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] new guy on the block
References: <200407150757.HAA15896@amb.org>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV4h7ZgmfFSq000227dc@hotmail.com>

BRAVO TI!!!! 100% AGREE!!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] new guy on the block


> Mike Hays writes:
> > ...
> > and others I have learned they are rather low end in the Nak lineup but
=
> > seem pretty good to me.  My question is how much better are the more =
> > expensive/sophisticated models?  Do the three head units really sound =
> > that much better?
>
> There is no question that the higher 3-head models are superior.
> As for "how much" better, you can compare specs, but it really boils
> down to something much more subjective.  The difference may be minor
> to some but "night and day" to others.  So, you really have to make
> that decision for yourself.
>
> Some of the higher Nak models have attractive features that are lacking
> in the lower models, such as auto bias/level calibration (CR-7) or auto
> playback azimuth correction (Dragon).  Several high-line models provide
> manual bias/level calibration with built-in tone generators and allows
> you to make meaningful adjustments by looking at the meters.  The Dragon
> is also the only Nak to have dual direct-drive capstan motors
(necessitated
> by its auto reverse capability, but provides tangible benefits in and of
> itself).  3-head Naks have Crystalloy heads with optimized gaps for
> each of the record and playback heads, compared to a more compromised
> design on 2-head units.
>
> Even a 2-head Nak, if in good condition, can outperform most decks from
> other makes in similar class, or even many other 3-head units.
>
> > tracking down a "better" machine?  I do some recording of LPs, etc. and
=
> > have used a minidisc to record live jazz.  I read one note that believed
=
> > a good cassette deck can create a more pleasing recording than a =
> > minidisc...is that true?
>
> There is definitely a difference in sound between minidisc and analog
> cassettes (especially when played on a Nak).  The minidisc employs lossy
> data compression and has some audible digital artifacts.
>
> A Nak cassette deck in good calibration, however, gives a much more
> full, warm and pleasing sound yet lacks nothing in clarity.  You have to
> take care to avoid saturating the tape when recording, but analog tapes
> are much more graceful when pushed to the limit than any digital recording
> medium.  Naks are usually very quiet so Dolby can be left "off" most
> of the time.  Without the extra Dolby processing you get better sound
>
> -Ti
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 11:22:33 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:22:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals
	&Hi!
References: <001a01c46a1b$330bd050$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5r4zCcT7J700022936@hotmail.com>

If you're looking for excellent quality service manuals at a great price, check out the seller techman777 on EBay--I ordered about 7 reprints, and they're great!

Sure can. My address is

Mike Thomason
1724 Ashtree Ct
Fairfield, CA 94534-3964
USA

Have a great weekend.

Mike
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] 
  Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:38 AM
  To: Mike Thomason
  Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member: Nakamichi DRAGON Cassette Deck Service Manual


  Hi Mike!

  Just return from my trip to Lima Peru, inform me is I can send you the $:20.00 in cash, for receive a copy of the Service Instructions for my Nak. Dragon?

  Be well, and Thanks!!!

  ALEX!

  Sorry! Till today, no reply if he obtain my $:20.00 in cash and NO Dragon Service Manual copy arrive to my home address!!!

  So...think it...!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fugue 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:24 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals &Hi!


  Hi, everybody--I am a new member, and have been watching the posts for the last couple of months just getting to know you all.  I thought this current thread was a good time to join the chorus!

  I am a lifelong Nak enthusiast--my first deck was the 500, all I could afford as a 16 year old.  I still have some wonderful recordings made on UDXL-II's from that deck that are still vibrant and trouble-free.  It never did like TDK stuff.  Later, misdirected scholarship money in Grad school got me an LX-3,  which I eventually traded in on a NAD 6340 (don't ask!).  That deck shone with the Maxells, Sony UX-Pros and Sony Metal SR's, all of which are dropout-free despite years of neglect when I followed the popular stampede to CD and digital sound.

  My return to analog was a kind of epiphany--I was doing a side-by-side comparison of some Chopin Preludes I had recently recorded digitally and some older analog ones just to hear how much my playing had changed (I'm a classical pianist).  In the interest of objectivity, I opened a bottle of wine, dimmed the lights and listened.  I made the decision then to return to analog.

  Which Nak to get?  After much reflection, I was all set on a Dragon, but I wondered why so many of them were selling on EBay.  The ZX-9 captured my attention, as it was Nakamichi's reference recording deck, and recorded a wonderful piano.  Those are hard to find!  Then, I found Stephen Sank's name popping up all over the place.

  I can assure you he is very much alive and well--after much generous consultation with him, I settled on a Sanktified CR-7.  My donor deck needed the gear drive mod and rec/eq circuit upgrade.  He also upgraded the Dolby circuits and power supply.  Brilliant work!

  Best decks? Mr. Sank felt the CR-7 the best of the Naks (in terms of sound, design, construction and engineering), the Revox B215 second (more robust and more solidly built than the CR-7, but not quite as rich sounding),   Dragon 3rd, 1000ZXL 4th and ZX-9 last.  A pro-CR-7 British review is interesting: 

  http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html

  At this level of performance, I honestly think the audible differences are very personal, and depend largely on the skill of the individual operator.  Regardless, I am very happy with the result--Mr. Sank has a customer for life here!

  Re the death of cassettes--some semi serious hunting has proved fruitful.  Over the last 6 months I have purchased 30 BASF Reference Master II's 60's, 20 Maxell XLIIS 100's, 20 Sony Metal SR 100's (with as many more as I want on condition of the seller's anonymity), 5 TDK MA-XG 90's, 20 Fuji ZII 60's, 40 TDK MA-90's, 50 DRII-90's, and one genuine Nak ZX-90.   There's still TONS of tape out there in warehouses!

  If you're looking for excellent quality service manuals at a great price, check out the seller techman777 on EBay--I ordered about 7 reprints, and they're great!

  I promise my future postings will be models of brevity ;-)
  It's good to be a part of this group!

  Best,

  Paul Dingle

      




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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 11:36:48 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL 
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Can anyone direct me to where I can get a copy of the service manual for the 1000ZXL? I lost the link

 

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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Jul 15 11:22:19 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:22:19 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
References: <3804-40F51368-79@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net><007701c469b6$d4c4d410$0200a8c0@down><BAY18-DAV7RH9HWP5Rv0001e0f1@hotmail.com><003801c469d6$4cec7820$0200a8c0@down>
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Message-ID: <01ca01c46a50$7a695d70$1010a8c0@tg>

Salim,

Thats what I always wonder how it works after installing a proper(!) pad
lifter on the head with some other brands, (other than Nak.). Really does
the pad lifter dramatically improve frequency response especailly during
recording as I experienced with my ZX9 with numereous tests. Even (for those
who are interested!!!) direction of the pad lifter has an effect on higher
frequency response during recording. If you have once uninstalled and
reinstalled the pad lifter be sure about its right direction!!!
'appy listening!!!
Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


>
> All dual capstan Naks have pressure pad lifter, even the 2 head models
like
> LX3.  That's what made Nak so proud of its precision tension / mechanism -
> and made its pb head lasts longer.  Only newer 2 head models bx1/2/150
cr1/2
> rx202 need pressure pads.
>
> Just for fun I tried installing padlifters on some other dual capstan
decks
> with various results: unstable on S**y, quite good on A**i and no problem
at
> all for R***x.
>
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Schmidt" <sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
>
> > Thnaks Alex, now all I  need is the Dragon!
> >
> > Steve S
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> >
> >
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > To my knowledge, either 1000ZXL and the Dragon, lift the tape, so the
> > > missing pressure pad it's NOT necessary! You can play such cassettes
> with
> > NO
> > > problem! I hope that I'm not wrong? Any opinion?
> > >
> > > Happy listening,
> > >
> > > ALEX!
>
>
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Jul 15 11:45:47 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:45:47 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals
	&Hi!
References: <001a01c46a1b$330bd050$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <01da01c46a50$81f6f570$1010a8c0@tg>

Paul,

Once I heard , Mr. Etsuro Nakamichi preferred ZX9 for the live recording sessions.

To me, for live recordings, considering environmental facts, instruments' reality while recording, wider frequency response with less distortion etc etc, as done by many musicians, I do suggest you to use reel to reel machines for the best result....

'appy Nakking.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fugue 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:24 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals &Hi!


  Hi, everybody--I am a new member, and have been watching the posts for the last couple of months just getting to know you all.  I thought this current thread was a good time to join the chorus!

  I am a lifelong Nak enthusiast--my first deck was the 500, all I could afford as a 16 year old.  I still have some wonderful recordings made on UDXL-II's from that deck that are still vibrant and trouble-free.  It never did like TDK stuff.  Later, misdirected scholarship money in Grad school got me an LX-3,  which I eventually traded in on a NAD 6340 (don't ask!).  That deck shone with the Maxells, Sony UX-Pros and Sony Metal SR's, all of which are dropout-free despite years of neglect when I followed the popular stampede to CD and digital sound.

  My return to analog was a kind of epiphany--I was doing a side-by-side comparison of some Chopin Preludes I had recently recorded digitally and some older analog ones just to hear how much my playing had changed (I'm a classical pianist).  In the interest of objectivity, I opened a bottle of wine, dimmed the lights and listened.  I made the decision then to return to analog.

  Which Nak to get?  After much reflection, I was all set on a Dragon, but I wondered why so many of them were selling on EBay.  The ZX-9 captured my attention, as it was Nakamichi's reference recording deck, and recorded a wonderful piano.  Those are hard to find!  Then, I found Stephen Sank's name popping up all over the place.

  I can assure you he is very much alive and well--after much generous consultation with him, I settled on a Sanktified CR-7.  My donor deck needed the gear drive mod and rec/eq circuit upgrade.  He also upgraded the Dolby circuits and power supply.  Brilliant work!

  Best decks? Mr. Sank felt the CR-7 the best of the Naks (in terms of sound, design, construction and engineering), the Revox B215 second (more robust and more solidly built than the CR-7, but not quite as rich sounding),   Dragon 3rd, 1000ZXL 4th and ZX-9 last.  A pro-CR-7 British review is interesting: 

  http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html

  At this level of performance, I honestly think the audible differences are very personal, and depend largely on the skill of the individual operator.  Regardless, I am very happy with the result--Mr. Sank has a customer for life here!

  Re the death of cassettes--some semi serious hunting has proved fruitful.  Over the last 6 months I have purchased 30 BASF Reference Master II's 60's, 20 Maxell XLIIS 100's, 20 Sony Metal SR 100's (with as many more as I want on condition of the seller's anonymity), 5 TDK MA-XG 90's, 20 Fuji ZII 60's, 40 TDK MA-90's, 50 DRII-90's, and one genuine Nak ZX-90.   There's still TONS of tape out there in warehouses!

  If you're looking for excellent quality service manuals at a great price, check out the seller techman777 on EBay--I ordered about 7 reprints, and they're great!

  I promise my future postings will be models of brevity ;-)
  It's good to be a part of this group!

  Best,

  Paul Dingle

      




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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Thu Jul 15 16:06:21 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:06:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals
	&Hi!
References: <001a01c46a1b$330bd050$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <007b01c46a74$e89cd780$646423c8@g8nsv>

Hi Paul!!!

Nice to have a new Nak fan around.....I guess my advice would be to enjoy the music no matter what; at the end it is all about the music. The CR-7 is a fabulous deck; I also have one of this beauties. It has many features "to play with" and the recording capability is really amazing. You are really a lucky guy to have gotten one of the famous Sanktified CR-7; Stephen does a magnificent job (by the way Stephen, long time no hear!!!!).

The blank cassettes as you have said even though they are hard to find, are there.....just have to find the right place to get them....

Take care and enjoy Paul

Isy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fugue 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:24 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals &Hi!


  Hi, everybody--I am a new member, and have been watching the posts for the last couple of months just getting to know you all.  I thought this current thread was a good time to join the chorus!

  I am a lifelong Nak enthusiast--my first deck was the 500, all I could afford as a 16 year old.  I still have some wonderful recordings made on UDXL-II's from that deck that are still vibrant and trouble-free.  It never did like TDK stuff.  Later, misdirected scholarship money in Grad school got me an LX-3,  which I eventually traded in on a NAD 6340 (don't ask!).  That deck shone with the Maxells, Sony UX-Pros and Sony Metal SR's, all of which are dropout-free despite years of neglect when I followed the popular stampede to CD and digital sound.

  My return to analog was a kind of epiphany--I was doing a side-by-side comparison of some Chopin Preludes I had recently recorded digitally and some older analog ones just to hear how much my playing had changed (I'm a classical pianist).  In the interest of objectivity, I opened a bottle of wine, dimmed the lights and listened.  I made the decision then to return to analog.

  Which Nak to get?  After much reflection, I was all set on a Dragon, but I wondered why so many of them were selling on EBay.  The ZX-9 captured my attention, as it was Nakamichi's reference recording deck, and recorded a wonderful piano.  Those are hard to find!  Then, I found Stephen Sank's name popping up all over the place.

  I can assure you he is very much alive and well--after much generous consultation with him, I settled on a Sanktified CR-7.  My donor deck needed the gear drive mod and rec/eq circuit upgrade.  He also upgraded the Dolby circuits and power supply.  Brilliant work!

  Best decks? Mr. Sank felt the CR-7 the best of the Naks (in terms of sound, design, construction and engineering), the Revox B215 second (more robust and more solidly built than the CR-7, but not quite as rich sounding),   Dragon 3rd, 1000ZXL 4th and ZX-9 last.  A pro-CR-7 British review is interesting: 

  http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html

  At this level of performance, I honestly think the audible differences are very personal, and depend largely on the skill of the individual operator.  Regardless, I am very happy with the result--Mr. Sank has a customer for life here!

  Re the death of cassettes--some semi serious hunting has proved fruitful.  Over the last 6 months I have purchased 30 BASF Reference Master II's 60's, 20 Maxell XLIIS 100's, 20 Sony Metal SR 100's (with as many more as I want on condition of the seller's anonymity), 5 TDK MA-XG 90's, 20 Fuji ZII 60's, 40 TDK MA-90's, 50 DRII-90's, and one genuine Nak ZX-90.   There's still TONS of tape out there in warehouses!

  If you're looking for excellent quality service manuals at a great price, check out the seller techman777 on EBay--I ordered about 7 reprints, and they're great!

  I promise my future postings will be models of brevity ;-)
  It's good to be a part of this group!

  Best,

  Paul Dingle

      




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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Jul 15 15:18:53 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:18:53 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
References: <3804-40F51368-79@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
	<007701c469b6$d4c4d410$0200a8c0@down>
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Tayfur, how do you determine the direction of nak padlifter ??

In my case I used plastic 'padlifter' for other decks - these came in free
as pb head 'protector' cover when you buy new pb head, just slice out middle
portion for tape travel.  I'm a bit worried about getting metal plate near
delicate pb head (not to mention any possible magnet properties).

Regarding freq response improvement, imho Nak head was designed to provide
correct angle of tape to head contact without pressure pad - whereas other
decks' pb head gap location should come to optimum tape contact with the
help of pad.  Old mechanism Nak rec/pb measurement showed higher noise floor
and more solid / smooth FR with padlifter removed.  Interestingly it looks
like newer Sankyo mechanism has greater tape to head pressure.

Considering the expensive B215 sandwich head's price, I'll take that
possibly slight FR tradeoff to make its head lasts longer.

Best regards,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


> Salim,
>
> Thats what I always wonder how it works after installing a proper(!) pad
> lifter on the head with some other brands, (other than Nak.). Really does
> the pad lifter dramatically improve frequency response especailly during
> recording as I experienced with my ZX9 with numereous tests. Even (for
those
> who are interested!!!) direction of the pad lifter has an effect on higher
> frequency response during recording. If you have once uninstalled and
> reinstalled the pad lifter be sure about its right direction!!!
> 'appy listening!!!
> Tayfur
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
>
> >
> > All dual capstan Naks have pressure pad lifter, even the 2 head models
> like




From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul 15 19:24:38 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:24:38 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals
	&Hi!
References: <001a01c46a1b$330bd050$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <003f01c46a90$9c2d0ed0$58773242@CopyTech>

Welcome, Paul ! Thanks for that first posting. Hope to see you around soon.

Carlos
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  From: Fugue 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:24 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals &Hi!


  Hi, everybody--I am a new member, and have been watching the posts for the last couple of months just getting to know you all.  I thought this current thread was a good time to join the chorus!

  I am a lifelong Nak enthusiast--my first deck was the 500, all I could afford as a 16 year old.  I still have some wonderful recordings made on UDXL-II's from that deck that are still vibrant and trouble-free.  It never did like TDK stuff.  Later, misdirected scholarship money in Grad school got me an LX-3,  which I eventually traded in on a NAD 6340 (don't ask!).  That deck shone with the Maxells, Sony UX-Pros and Sony Metal SR's, all of which are dropout-free despite years of neglect when I followed the popular stampede to CD and digital sound.

  My return to analog was a kind of epiphany--I was doing a side-by-side comparison of some Chopin Preludes I had recently recorded digitally and some older analog ones just to hear how much my playing had changed (I'm a classical pianist).  In the interest of objectivity, I opened a bottle of wine, dimmed the lights and listened.  I made the decision then to return to analog.

  Which Nak to get?  After much reflection, I was all set on a Dragon, but I wondered why so many of them were selling on EBay.  The ZX-9 captured my attention, as it was Nakamichi's reference recording deck, and recorded a wonderful piano.  Those are hard to find!  Then, I found Stephen Sank's name popping up all over the place.

  I can assure you he is very much alive and well--after much generous consultation with him, I settled on a Sanktified CR-7.  My donor deck needed the gear drive mod and rec/eq circuit upgrade.  He also upgraded the Dolby circuits and power supply.  Brilliant work!

  Best decks? Mr. Sank felt the CR-7 the best of the Naks (in terms of sound, design, construction and engineering), the Revox B215 second (more robust and more solidly built than the CR-7, but not quite as rich sounding),   Dragon 3rd, 1000ZXL 4th and ZX-9 last.  A pro-CR-7 British review is interesting: 

  http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html

  At this level of performance, I honestly think the audible differences are very personal, and depend largely on the skill of the individual operator.  Regardless, I am very happy with the result--Mr. Sank has a customer for life here!

  Re the death of cassettes--some semi serious hunting has proved fruitful.  Over the last 6 months I have purchased 30 BASF Reference Master II's 60's, 20 Maxell XLIIS 100's, 20 Sony Metal SR 100's (with as many more as I want on condition of the seller's anonymity), 5 TDK MA-XG 90's, 20 Fuji ZII 60's, 40 TDK MA-90's, 50 DRII-90's, and one genuine Nak ZX-90.   There's still TONS of tape out there in warehouses!

  If you're looking for excellent quality service manuals at a great price, check out the seller techman777 on EBay--I ordered about 7 reprints, and they're great!

  I promise my future postings will be models of brevity ;-)
  It's good to be a part of this group!

  Best,

  Paul Dingle

      




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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jul 15 19:32:49 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:32:49 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
References: <001a01c46a1b$330bd050$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
	<007b01c46a74$e89cd780$646423c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <007c01c46a91$c0b44ba0$58773242@CopyTech>

Hello Fellows:

This time I would ask my fellow members of this list to look out for a good condition Yamaha Receiver 3020. I lost one at e.bay 6 months ago,so, if any of you find one, please, let me know. I'm also willing to trade some of my "treasures" for one of those. I currently have  a 2020 in my collection, but the 3020 is very rare.

Thanks,

Carlos
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From luis at peromarta.org  Thu Jul 15 13:35:37 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:35:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL
In-Reply-To: <20040715093648.61961.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY18-DAV4h7ZgmfFSq000227dc@hotmail.com>
	<20040715093648.61961.qmail@web41402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040715113537.GA25923@peromarta.org>

Dear all,

ebay's member "mobi-flo" sells good quality copies for 20 EUR.

Best rgds, LP.

El 15/07/04 a las  2:36, bg3009 at yahoo.com dijo : 

> 
> Can anyone direct me to where I can get a copy of the service manual for the 1000ZXL? I lost the link
> 
>  
> 
> BG
> 

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From BADANTH at aol.com  Thu Jul 15 15:01:34 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:01:34 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] new guy on the block
Message-ID: <158.39c377ae.2e27da2e@aol.com>

Welcome and congratulations, I too have found an inexpensive BX2 and now have 
it working beautifully. Compared to my CR7 I find it sounds almost as good 
when playing a tape recorded on the CR7 to my ears. When playing other tapes the 
CR7 sounds even better with it's adjustability. Whether it is worth the extra 
money depends on your ears and what you need it to do. I have hundreds of 
tapes that would sound terrible if not for the CR7's Azimuth Fine Tuning System 
which allows one to dial in the best sound.

Anthony

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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Jul 15 15:20:50 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:20:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] TA-4A vs SR-4A
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFCEJKCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <002a01c469dd$511695a0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040715091923.03846a60@psulias.psu.edu>

I also have a TA2 which has issues with the input selectors.  I now just 
use it in by office and use the Rec Out switch to run the signal to the 
computer and speakers.

At 05:18 PM 7/14/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>In 1989 I was shopping for a receiver/amp. The TA series amps sounded 
>great. TA2 very close if not better than Adcom 535 and TA4 slightly 
>thinner than Adcom 555 (comparable prices at the time with addition of 
>Adcom's preamp/tuner). I have purchased TA2, and it has been maintenance 
>disaster ever since - made in Taiwan. I had an SR3 for a while and it was 
>superior in dependability compartment.
>
>Stan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf 
>Of rjkent at comcast.net
>Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:01 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] TA-4A vs SR-4A
>
>Walter,
>
>I agree with Kannan.  The TA-4A sounds extremely good, but when you look 
>inside, the build quality is not as good as you might like to see.  I have 
>not looked inside an SR-4A, but I have 7 Nak decks, and they all exhibit 
>better quality worksmanship (wire organization, solder quality, etc.) than 
>the TA-4A.  Having said that, I would not give up my TA-4A....I use it in 
>my bedroom system with my RX-505, and it works extremely well.
>
>Robert Kent



From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Thu Jul 15 16:29:58 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:29:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
Message-ID: <40F694E6.1050104@bellsouth.net>

Does anyone use power conditioners with their Naks, like Monster 5100 or 
such?
Any favorites?
Mike





From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Thu Jul 15 17:09:27 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:09:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
Message-ID: <40F69E27.6000503@bellsouth.net>

As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price 
of $2000
and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on 
July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two 
days to go).
I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to 
be 1993)
and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also 
provided recent
eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check 
(I'm on the
hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
Here is, for your information, the reply:
"Hi There,
Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the 
little
circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle. 
So need to correct
it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top 
of it.
Hope that helps?
As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple 
of weeks
ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you 
mentioned.
These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents 
are often found.
Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not 
reduce price anymore.
I will be correcting the eBay listing
Best Regards,
AJKSomers"

What do you think, guys?
Mike




From kenkirk at gte.net  Thu Jul 15 15:58:36 2004
From: kenkirk at gte.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:58:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <200407141909.i6EJ9eUq026971@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <036801c46a73$d3ae5f20$6401a8c0@DOCTOR>

Kannan said:

"I had a chance to own Stephen' personal CR 7 ( fantastic rec replay when it
arrived ) and mint Dragon - which finally went to another naktalk member (
Ken kirkpatrick - in TX). This Dragon records better than this CR 7. "

Ken replies:

My "Kannanfied" Dragon continues to amaze me in its ability to capture the
essence of analog sound on cassette.  It rivals my mint Teac X2000R when
duping lp's and SACD's at a much lower cost and much higher convience. As
the cost of new and used vinyl continues to rise, the archiving of the best
vinyl to tape for playback gets more appealing. The difference bewteen the
live lp or SACD vs. the Dragon tape is so close only the best ears can tell
the difference. But it is a difference only, not necessarily worse than the
direct source. The slight plumping of the bass and compression of analog
tape is pleasing to my ears and very musical. There is no doubt my Dragon
makes a much better recording than my Fostex Dat recorder.

Anyway, anyone who is heavy into to vinyl should buy as mint a Dragon as you
can find and have it serviced and the orange caps replaced. And you should
stock up on the best  blank cassettes you can find. Also the prerecorded
cassettes on sale at Telarc for $1.99 are wonderful sounding with a Dragon.
I bought all of them and have found all that I have listened to so far to be
wonderful, even though they are digital sourced! Although these Dragons can
cost over a grand mint, they pay themselves off quickly when you start
duping your buddies vinyl! :-)

Also, sorry I missed the deadline for the marathon tape project. I will
submit next time!

Cheers, Ken


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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 19:10:50 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:10:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri Tracer
In-Reply-To: <007b01c46a76$29a23d00$5e299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <20040715171050.4015.qmail@web41410.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok guys, 
 
         After 3 days of almost nonstop work, my 700 Tri Tracer is playing smooth. It needs a new pinchwheel. And I never solved the play function not holding problem. God I seee some really old ICs on its logic board! But I am really awstruck my its sound. It sounds abit veiled and missing on the details but hey for 1970, this is way beyond my expectations. And its warm, pleasant. Ok, now onto the 680. 
 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jul 15 20:17:29 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:17:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
In-Reply-To: <007c01c46a91$c0b44ba0$58773242@CopyTech>
References: <001a01c46a1b$330bd050$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
	<007b01c46a74$e89cd780$646423c8@g8nsv>
	<007c01c46a91$c0b44ba0$58773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1089915449.40f6ca3915ad7@mail.ce.net>

Brother Carlos,

Your tastes and mine are very simular. The higher number Yamaha Receivers are a 
delight to the eye with their sleek silver uncluttered faceplates. I have a 
mint Yamaha CT-7000 Tuner which has these same sexy looks ;-) The closest thing 
I can find to a 3020 is a Service Manual on eBay,UK at
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=39791&item=5709384222&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V

This might be nice to have if/when you snag that model.

Cheers,
John (T.)

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Hello Fellows:
> 
> This time I would ask my fellow members of this list to look out for a good
> condition Yamaha Receiver 3020. I lost one at e.bay 6 months ago,so, if any
> of you find one, please, let me know. I'm also willing to trade some of my
> "treasures" for one of those. I currently have  a 2020 in my collection, but
> the 3020 is very rare.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carlos
> 





From mahays at nwlink.com  Thu Jul 15 19:43:14 2004
From: mahays at nwlink.com (Michael A Hays)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] new guy on the block
In-Reply-To: <200407150757.HAA15896@amb.org>
References: <005501c46a1c$1a1f3d60$0300a8c0@nwlink.com> from "Mike Hays"
	atJul 14, 2004 10:30:34 PM <200407150757.HAA15896@amb.org>
Message-ID: <55526.64.218.89.103.1089913394.squirrel@webmail.pacifier.com>

> Ti Kan,
Thanks for the very good information!  I have yet to try mic recording
with any of the three Naks yet, but am anxious to now give it a shot.  I
understand now how a 3-head NAK would likely sound more accurate with the
dedicated record and playback heads.  Now... how to explain to my wife why
I "need" to find one!  Thanks!

Mike H

Mike Hays writes:
>> ...
>> and others I have learned they are rather low end in the Nak lineup but
>> =
>> seem pretty good to me.  My question is how much better are the more =
>> expensive/sophisticated models?  Do the three head units really sound =
>> that much better?
>
> There is no question that the higher 3-head models are superior.
> As for "how much" better, you can compare specs, but it really boils
> down to something much more subjective.  The difference may be minor
> to some but "night and day" to others.  So, you really have to make
> that decision for yourself.
>
> Some of the higher Nak models have attractive features that are lacking
> in the lower models, such as auto bias/level calibration (CR-7) or auto
> playback azimuth correction (Dragon).  Several high-line models provide
> manual bias/level calibration with built-in tone generators and allows
> you to make meaningful adjustments by looking at the meters.  The Dragon
> is also the only Nak to have dual direct-drive capstan motors
> (necessitated
> by its auto reverse capability, but provides tangible benefits in and of
> itself).  3-head Naks have Crystalloy heads with optimized gaps for
> each of the record and playback heads, compared to a more compromised
> design on 2-head units.
>
> Even a 2-head Nak, if in good condition, can outperform most decks from
> other makes in similar class, or even many other 3-head units.
>
>> tracking down a "better" machine?  I do some recording of LPs, etc. and
>> =
>> have used a minidisc to record live jazz.  I read one note that believed
>> =
>> a good cassette deck can create a more pleasing recording than a =
>> minidisc...is that true?
>
> There is definitely a difference in sound between minidisc and analog
> cassettes (especially when played on a Nak).  The minidisc employs lossy
> data compression and has some audible digital artifacts.
>
> A Nak cassette deck in good calibration, however, gives a much more
> full, warm and pleasing sound yet lacks nothing in clarity.  You have to
> take care to avoid saturating the tape when recording, but analog tapes
> are much more graceful when pushed to the limit than any digital recording
> medium.  Naks are usually very quiet so Dolby can be left "off" most
> of the time.  Without the extra Dolby processing you get better sound
>
> -Ti
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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Thu Jul 15 21:27:25 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WME Drewes)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:27:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
References: <40F69E27.6000503@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <001901c46aa1$cc7f7300$c1241ec4@drewescomp>

Tooooo expensive!
walter


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:09 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price
> of $2000
> and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> days to go).
> I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
> be 1993)
> and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> provided recent
> eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check
> (I'm on the
> hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> Here is, for your information, the reply:
> "Hi There,
> Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the
> little
> circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> So need to correct
> it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top
> of it.
> Hope that helps?
> As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple
> of weeks
> ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> mentioned.
> These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> are often found.
> Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> reduce price anymore.
> I will be correcting the eBay listing
> Best Regards,
> AJKSomers"
>
> What do you think, guys?
> Mike
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul 15 22:59:40 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:59:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
In-Reply-To: <40F69E27.6000503@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <000001c46aae$a5491360$d3d14c51@oemcomputer>

Very doubtful that he'll get that price but ... hey!  There are some strange
people in the World and one of them just might bite!  After, who could have
predicted that someone would pay £6.4m for the football that David Beckham
sliced over the goal in England's penalty shoot-out against Portugal the
other week?  Complete madness!!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael Moore
> Sent: 15 July 2004 16:09
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>
>
> As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price
> of $2000
> and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> days to go).
> I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
> be 1993)
> and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> provided recent
> eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check
> (I'm on the
> hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> Here is, for your information, the reply:
> "Hi There,
> Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the
> little
> circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> So need to correct
> it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top
> of it.
> Hope that helps?
> As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple
> of weeks
> ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> mentioned.
> These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> are often found.
> Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> reduce price anymore.
> I will be correcting the eBay listing
> Best Regards,
> AJKSomers"
>
> What do you think, guys?
> Mike
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul 15 23:00:23 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:00:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
In-Reply-To: <40F694E6.1050104@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <000201c46aae$beebe180$d3d14c51@oemcomputer>

All my hi fi goes through one of two power conditioners.  Where I live the
mains juice is often "dirty" and with the right choice of mains filter, it
can make a big difference to the sound of some of the equipment ... although
I'm not sure it makes that much difference to my ZX9.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael Moore
> Sent: 15 July 2004 15:30
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
>
>
> Does anyone use power conditioners with their Naks, like Monster 5100 or
> such?
> Any favorites?
> Mike
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jul 15 22:59:42 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:59:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
In-Reply-To: <036801c46a73$d3ae5f20$6401a8c0@DOCTOR>
Message-ID: <000101c46aae$a68f9d20$d3d14c51@oemcomputer>

I had a "Kannanfied" CR7 and that was rather special, too!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Kenneth Kirkpatrick
> Sent: 15 July 2004 14:59
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
>
>
> Kannan said:
>
> "I had a chance to own Stephen' personal CR 7 ( fantastic rec
> replay when it
> arrived ) and mint Dragon - which finally went to another naktalk member (
> Ken kirkpatrick - in TX). This Dragon records better than this CR 7. "
>
> Ken replies:
>
> My "Kannanfied" Dragon continues to amaze me in its ability to capture the
> essence of analog sound on cassette.  It rivals my mint Teac X2000R when
> duping lp's and SACD's at a much lower cost and much higher convience. As
> the cost of new and used vinyl continues to rise, the archiving
> of the best
> vinyl to tape for playback gets more appealing. The difference bewteen the
> live lp or SACD vs. the Dragon tape is so close only the best
> ears can tell
> the difference. But it is a difference only, not necessarily
> worse than the
> direct source. The slight plumping of the bass and compression of analog
> tape is pleasing to my ears and very musical. There is no doubt my Dragon
> makes a much better recording than my Fostex Dat recorder.
>
> Anyway, anyone who is heavy into to vinyl should buy as mint a
> Dragon as you
> can find and have it serviced and the orange caps replaced. And you should
> stock up on the best  blank cassettes you can find. Also the prerecorded
> cassettes on sale at Telarc for $1.99 are wonderful sounding with
> a Dragon.
> I bought all of them and have found all that I have listened to
> so far to be
> wonderful, even though they are digital sourced! Although these
> Dragons can
> cost over a grand mint, they pay themselves off quickly when you start
> duping your buddies vinyl! :-)
>
> Also, sorry I missed the deadline for the marathon tape project. I will
> submit next time!
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 16 02:15:36 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:15:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
References: <40F69E27.6000503@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <001201c46aca$0537fd70$1a773242@CopyTech>

Good for them,  Mike, .don't loose your time. Many of the people selling at
ebay don't have the slightest idea of what the hell they are selling. They
wouldn't be able to sell the machine and apparently, they don't care either.
It's like having something that you don't really want to sell, but, if a
crazy one appears and pay me a ridiculous amount, then, it is gone.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:09 AM
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price
> of $2000
> and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> days to go).
> I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
> be 1993)
> and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> provided recent
> eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check
> (I'm on the
> hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> Here is, for your information, the reply:
> "Hi There,
> Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the
> little
> circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> So need to correct
> it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top
> of it.
> Hope that helps?
> As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple
> of weeks
> ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> mentioned.
> These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> are often found.
> Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> reduce price anymore.
> I will be correcting the eBay listing
> Best Regards,
> AJKSomers"
>
> What do you think, guys?
> Mike
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 16 02:17:10 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:17:10 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
References: <001a01c46a1b$330bd050$8902a8c0@WARBIRD><007b01c46a74$e89cd780$646423c8@g8nsv><007c01c46a91$c0b44ba0$58773242@CopyTech>
	<1089915449.40f6ca3915ad7@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <001801c46aca$3cf0ab40$1a773242@CopyTech>

Yes, I have a mint 2020, almost similar to the 3020 but lighter of course,
and less powerful. Right now they have a 2040 in acceptable condition but
the reserve is too high.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020


Brother Carlos,

Your tastes and mine are very simular. The higher number Yamaha Receivers
are a
delight to the eye with their sleek silver uncluttered faceplates. I have a
mint Yamaha CT-7000 Tuner which has these same sexy looks ;-) The closest
thing
I can find to a 3020 is a Service Manual on eBay,UK at
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=39791&item=5709384222&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V

This might be nice to have if/when you snag that model.

Cheers,
John (T.)

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Hello Fellows:
>
> This time I would ask my fellow members of this list to look out for a
good
> condition Yamaha Receiver 3020. I lost one at e.bay 6 months ago,so, if
any
> of you find one, please, let me know. I'm also willing to trade some of my
> "treasures" for one of those. I currently have  a 2020 in my collection,
but
> the 3020 is very rare.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
>



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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 16 02:18:18 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:18:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <200407141909.i6EJ9eUq026971@zebra.naks.com>
	<036801c46a73$d3ae5f20$6401a8c0@DOCTOR>
Message-ID: <002501c46aca$69966ae0$1a773242@CopyTech>

But you can still have your copies, anyway.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenneth Kirkpatrick" <kenkirk at gte.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:58 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak


> Kannan said:
>
> "I had a chance to own Stephen' personal CR 7 ( fantastic rec replay when
it
> arrived ) and mint Dragon - which finally went to another naktalk member (
> Ken kirkpatrick - in TX). This Dragon records better than this CR 7. "
>
> Ken replies:
>
> My "Kannanfied" Dragon continues to amaze me in its ability to capture the
> essence of analog sound on cassette.  It rivals my mint Teac X2000R when
> duping lp's and SACD's at a much lower cost and much higher convience. As
> the cost of new and used vinyl continues to rise, the archiving of the
best
> vinyl to tape for playback gets more appealing. The difference bewteen the
> live lp or SACD vs. the Dragon tape is so close only the best ears can
tell
> the difference. But it is a difference only, not necessarily worse than
the
> direct source. The slight plumping of the bass and compression of analog
> tape is pleasing to my ears and very musical. There is no doubt my Dragon
> makes a much better recording than my Fostex Dat recorder.
>
> Anyway, anyone who is heavy into to vinyl should buy as mint a Dragon as
you
> can find and have it serviced and the orange caps replaced. And you should
> stock up on the best  blank cassettes you can find. Also the prerecorded
> cassettes on sale at Telarc for $1.99 are wonderful sounding with a
Dragon.
> I bought all of them and have found all that I have listened to so far to
be
> wonderful, even though they are digital sourced! Although these Dragons
can
> cost over a grand mint, they pay themselves off quickly when you start
> duping your buddies vinyl! :-)
>
> Also, sorry I missed the deadline for the marathon tape project. I will
> submit next time!
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 16 02:19:35 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:19:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
References: <40F69E27.6000503@bellsouth.net>
	<001901c46aa1$cc7f7300$c1241ec4@drewescomp>
Message-ID: <002d01c46aca$942afdc0$1a773242@CopyTech>

Ahhh, come on Walter, you are too humble. The proper word would be
"ridiculous".

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WME Drewes" <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> Tooooo expensive!
> walter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:09 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>
>
> > As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price
> > of $2000
> > and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> > July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> > with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> > days to go).
> > I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
> > be 1993)
> > and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> > provided recent
> > eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check
> > (I'm on the
> > hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> > Here is, for your information, the reply:
> > "Hi There,
> > Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the
> > little
> > circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> > So need to correct
> > it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top
> > of it.
> > Hope that helps?
> > As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple
> > of weeks
> > ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> > mentioned.
> > These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> > are often found.
> > Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> > reduce price anymore.
> > I will be correcting the eBay listing
> > Best Regards,
> > AJKSomers"
> >
> > What do you think, guys?
> > Mike
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 16 02:21:46 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:21:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
References: <000001c46aae$a5491360$d3d14c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004701c46aca$e2df9ca0$1a773242@CopyTech>

This world is full of "fools", ha !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> Very doubtful that he'll get that price but ... hey!  There are some
strange
> people in the World and one of them just might bite!  After, who could
have
> predicted that someone would pay £6.4m for the football that David Beckham
> sliced over the goal in England's penalty shoot-out against Portugal the
> other week?  Complete madness!!
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > Sent: 15 July 2004 16:09
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> >
> >
> > As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price
> > of $2000
> > and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> > July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> > with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> > days to go).
> > I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
> > be 1993)
> > and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> > provided recent
> > eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check
> > (I'm on the
> > hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> > Here is, for your information, the reply:
> > "Hi There,
> > Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the
> > little
> > circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> > So need to correct
> > it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top
> > of it.
> > Hope that helps?
> > As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple
> > of weeks
> > ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> > mentioned.
> > These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> > are often found.
> > Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> > reduce price anymore.
> > I will be correcting the eBay listing
> > Best Regards,
> > AJKSomers"
> >
> > What do you think, guys?
> > Mike
> >
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jul 15 21:37:14 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:37:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
Message-ID: <20040715193715.QPOE21566.lakermmtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Michael,

What that seller forgot to mention is that it does not come with a box or the packing contents.

We had the fair price discussion a few weeks ago and I think $550 was tops for it.

There are plenty of working CR-7A that go on eBay for less than $450

We also had the discussion of how 'like new and stored' can add up to be quite a bit for repairs.

His price may be firm but so will his possession because it'll never leave it for that price.

If I were drunk $600 at best


> 
> From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2004/07/15 Thu AM 11:09:27 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> 
> As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price 
> of $2000
> and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on 
> July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two 
> days to go).
> I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to 
> be 1993)
> and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also 
> provided recent
> eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check 
> (I'm on the
> hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> Here is, for your information, the reply:
> "Hi There,
> Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the 
> little
> circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle. 
> So need to correct
> it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top 
> of it.
> Hope that helps?
> As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple 
> of weeks
> ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you 
> mentioned.
> These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents 
> are often found.
> Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not 
> reduce price anymore.
> I will be correcting the eBay listing
> Best Regards,
> AJKSomers"
> 
> What do you think, guys?
> Mike
> 
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 22:14:25 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:14:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
In-Reply-To: <001901c46aa1$cc7f7300$c1241ec4@drewescomp>
Message-ID: <20040715201425.76577.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com>

I think at this price, you can get a few very good reel to reel decks and tapes. Alot more reliable and sound. 
 
BG

WME Drewes <wdrewes at iafrica.com> wrote:
Tooooo expensive!
walter


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:09 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price
> of $2000
> and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> days to go).
> I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
> be 1993)
> and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> provided recent
> eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check
> (I'm on the
> hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> Here is, for your information, the reply:
> "Hi There,
> Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the
> little
> circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> So need to correct
> it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top
> of it.
> Hope that helps?
> As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple
> of weeks
> ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> mentioned.
> These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> are often found.
> Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> reduce price anymore.
> I will be correcting the eBay listing
> Best Regards,
> AJKSomers"
>
> What do you think, guys?
> Mike
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jul 15 23:08:52 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:08:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
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Graham

Who did you borrow £6.4m from?

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> Very doubtful that he'll get that price but ... hey!  There are some 
> strange
> people in the World and one of them just might bite!  After, who could 
> have
> predicted that someone would pay £6.4m for the football that David Beckham
> sliced over the goal in England's penalty shoot-out against Portugal the
> other week?  Complete madness!!
>
> Gra'
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>> Behalf Of Michael Moore
>> Sent: 15 July 2004 16:09
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>>
>>
>> As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price
>> of $2000
>> and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
>> July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
>> with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
>> days to go).
>> I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
>> be 1993)
>> and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
>> provided recent
>> eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check
>> (I'm on the
>> hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
>> Here is, for your information, the reply:
>> "Hi There,
>> Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the
>> little
>> circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
>> So need to correct
>> it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top
>> of it.
>> Hope that helps?
>> As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple
>> of weeks
>> ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
>> mentioned.
>> These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
>> are often found.
>> Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
>> reduce price anymore.
>> I will be correcting the eBay listing
>> Best Regards,
>> AJKSomers"
>>
>> What do you think, guys?
>> Mike
>>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jul 15 23:18:38 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:18:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
Message-ID: <20040715211836.PEEA1759.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Nelson,

Dirty lines can also prove to be a death knell waiting to happen.  Get yourself a line conditioner.  Take it from a guy who did Automation Engineering for 27 years.

Roland


> 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 05:00:23 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> 
> All my hi fi goes through one of two power conditioners.  Where I live the
> mains juice is often "dirty" and with the right choice of mains filter, it
> can make a big difference to the sound of some of the equipment ... although
> I'm not sure it makes that much difference to my ZX9.
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > Sent: 15 July 2004 15:30
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> >
> >
> > Does anyone use power conditioners with their Naks, like Monster 5100 or
> > such?
> > Any favorites?
> > Mike
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Thu Jul 15 22:14:24 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:14:24 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
Message-ID: <d6.f5225da.2e283fa0@aol.com>

Would you buy a new unused '63 Vette at it's original sticker price today? ;<
) Kind of a stretch but there may be someone willing to pay for an unused 
classic.

Anthony

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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jul 15 22:22:15 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:22:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service
	Manuals
Message-ID: <20040715202213.SBNM27456.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Isy,

We have some parallels on our return to the glorious world of analog.

I had a Stanton 881S cartridge hanging around for four years.  One day I decided to install it but promptly dropped my turntable on the floor and destroyed it.

That feat of numb fingers led me to purchase a Sony PS-X600 Biotracer turntable, a Shure V15vxMR cartridge, sold the Stanton, bought a CR-7A, 15 new TDK XA-MG tapes, 20 TDK SA90 tapes and few albums to add to my 300+ collection.

Without a doubt, that Shure V15 cartridge is testing my system and I can say that purchase alone equals the performance of my CR-7A.

I too started out looking for a Dragon as that was the cat's meow when I bought a BX300 in the early 80's.  Little did I know that a ZX-9 and CR-7A would equal or better it's performance,

I would still love to add a Dragon.  There is just so much reverance given to its stellar performance.  I would also like to add a B215 but I became recently poor.....okay, poorer after buying those MA-XG tapes.

Welcome to all new posters!!
> 
> From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
> Date: 2004/07/15 Thu AM 10:06:21 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals
> 	&Hi!
> 
> Hi Paul!!!
> 
> Nice to have a new Nak fan around.....I guess my advice would be to enjoy the music no matter what; at the end it is all about the music. The CR-7 is a fabulous deck; I also have one of this beauties. It has many features "to play with" and the recording capability is really amazing. You are really a lucky guy to have gotten one of the famous Sanktified CR-7; Stephen does a magnificent job (by the way Stephen, long time no hear!!!!).
> 
> The blank cassettes as you have said even though they are hard to find, are there.....just have to find the right place to get them....
> 
> Take care and enjoy Paul
> 
> Isy
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Fugue 
>   To: naktalk at naks.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:24 PM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service Manuals &Hi!
> 
> 
>   Hi, everybody--I am a new member, and have been watching the posts for the last couple of months just getting to know you all.  I thought this current thread was a good time to join the chorus!
> 
>   I am a lifelong Nak enthusiast--my first deck was the 500, all I could afford as a 16 year old.  I still have some wonderful recordings made on UDXL-II's from that deck that are still vibrant and trouble-free.  It never did like TDK stuff.  Later, misdirected scholarship money in Grad school got me an LX-3,  which I eventually traded in on a NAD 6340 (don't ask!).  That deck shone with the Maxells, Sony UX-Pros and Sony Metal SR's, all of which are dropout-free despite years of neglect when I followed the popular stampede to CD and digital sound.
> 
>   My return to analog was a kind of epiphany--I was doing a side-by-side comparison of some Chopin Preludes I had recently recorded digitally and some older analog ones just to hear how much my playing had changed (I'm a classical pianist).  In the interest of objectivity, I opened a bottle of wine, dimmed the lights and listened.  I made the decision then to return to analog.
> 
>   Which Nak to get?  After much reflection, I was all set on a Dragon, but I wondered why so many of them were selling on EBay.  The ZX-9 captured my attention, as it was Nakamichi's reference recording deck, and recorded a wonderful piano.  Those are hard to find!  Then, I found Stephen Sank's name popping up all over the place.
> 
>   I can assure you he is very much alive and well--after much generous consultation with him, I settled on a Sanktified CR-7.  My donor deck needed the gear drive mod and rec/eq circuit upgrade.  He also upgraded the Dolby circuits and power supply.  Brilliant work!
> 
>   Best decks? Mr. Sank felt the CR-7 the best of the Naks (in terms of sound, design, construction and engineering), the Revox B215 second (more robust and more solidly built than the CR-7, but not quite as rich sounding),   Dragon 3rd, 1000ZXL 4th and ZX-9 last.  A pro-CR-7 British review is interesting: 
> 
>   http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html
> 
>   At this level of performance, I honestly think the audible differences are very personal, and depend largely on the skill of the individual operator.  Regardless, I am very happy with the result--Mr. Sank has a customer for life here!
> 
>   Re the death of cassettes--some semi serious hunting has proved fruitful.  Over the last 6 months I have purchased 30 BASF Reference Master II's 60's, 20 Maxell XLIIS 100's, 20 Sony Metal SR 100's (with as many more as I want on condition of the seller's anonymity), 5 TDK MA-XG 90's, 20 Fuji ZII 60's, 40 TDK MA-90's, 50 DRII-90's, and one genuine Nak ZX-90.   There's still TONS of tape out there in warehouses!
> 
>   If you're looking for excellent quality service manuals at a great price, check out the seller techman777 on EBay--I ordered about 7 reprints, and they're great!
> 
>   I promise my future postings will be models of brevity ;-)
>   It's good to be a part of this group!
> 
>   Best,
> 
>   Paul Dingle
> 
>       
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 22:33:09 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:33:09 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] new guy on the block
Message-ID: <BAY2-F25wMis7hIYwu8000261bc@hotmail.com>

Do not do this at home ....unless you are sure of yourself!

I have an RX-505...I manually adjust the azimuth screw above the head block 
to produce the sound that is best for me. Since this adjustment is normally 
done by a tech with a scope doing this adjustment without knowing exactly 
what you are doing can lead to all kind of problems..but for me I was able 
to obtain great highs with only tiny adjustments.


>From: BADANTH at aol.com
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] new guy on the block
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:01:34 EDT
>
>Welcome and congratulations, I too have found an inexpensive BX2 and now 
>have
>it working beautifully. Compared to my CR7 I find it sounds almost as good
>when playing a tape recorded on the CR7 to my ears. When playing other 
>tapes the
>CR7 sounds even better with it's adjustability. Whether it is worth the 
>extra
>money depends on your ears and what you need it to do. I have hundreds of
>tapes that would sound terrible if not for the CR7's Azimuth Fine Tuning 
>System
>which allows one to dial in the best sound.
>
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From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:04:09 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <1cc.25d8127c.2e284b49@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/15/2004 4:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes:

> I had a "Kannanfied" CR7 and that was rather special, too!
> 
> Gra'
> 

What is a "Kannanfied" CR7 and how do I get my CR7 to be one?

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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 16 02:42:22 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:42:22 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
References: <1cc.25d8127c.2e284b49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009201c46acd$c34c6460$1a773242@CopyTech>

Just sent it to New Mexico with a blank check and 6 months later (if you are lucky) you'll have one.

Carlos
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  In a message dated 7/15/2004 4:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes:


    I had a "Kannanfied" CR7 and that was rather special, too!

    Gra'



  What is a "Kannanfied" CR7 and how do I get my CR7 to be one?

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul 16 00:27:25 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:27:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
In-Reply-To: <20040715211836.PEEA1759.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <000001c46aba$e7d3df60$798b4c51@oemcomputer>

Roland

Ah, you misunderstand me because I did not make myself clear.  I do use
mains conditioners - two of them.  In fact, the "lesser"! conditioner gets
its power from the bigger one - double scrubbing of the juice!    One of
them is an audiophile quality conditioner manufactured some years ago by the
now-defunct company Radar Developments, and the other (the big beast) is an
ex-BT (British Telecom) conditioner that was used to clean the power to
telecommunications equipment.  I also have a third one that I never use
these days - one for computer equipment.  This one degrades the sound in
some respects.  Whilst offering a "clean" sound stage, it flattens the
dynamic range of the music.  I was told by an engineer that this is because
it o/ps a square sine wave;  however, I've not a clue as to whether or not
this is correct!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: 15 July 2004 22:19
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
>
>
> Nelson,
>
> Dirty lines can also prove to be a death knell waiting to happen.
>  Get yourself a line conditioner.  Take it from a guy who did
> Automation Engineering for 27 years.
>
> Roland
>
>
> >
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 05:00:23 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> >
> > All my hi fi goes through one of two power conditioners.  Where
> I live the
> > mains juice is often "dirty" and with the right choice of mains
> filter, it
> > can make a big difference to the sound of some of the equipment
> ... although
> > I'm not sure it makes that much difference to my ZX9.
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > Sent: 15 July 2004 15:30
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone use power conditioners with their Naks, like
> Monster 5100 or
> > > such?
> > > Any favorites?
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
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From ti at amb.org  Fri Jul 16 00:37:34 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:37:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
In-Reply-To: <000001c46aba$e7d3df60$798b4c51@oemcomputer> from "Nelson" at Jul
	15, 2004 11:27:25 PM
Message-ID: <200407152237.WAA21726@amb.org>

Nelson writes:
> I also have a third one that I never use
> these days - one for computer equipment.  This one degrades the sound in
> some respects.  Whilst offering a "clean" sound stage, it flattens the
> dynamic range of the music.  I was told by an engineer that this is because
> it o/ps a square sine wave;  however, I've not a clue as to whether or not
> this is correct!

Many computer-grade UPSs and "power conditioners" output a "stepped"
facsimile of sine waves.  This is probably what you refer to as "square
sine wave".  These contains very high amount of high frequency harmonic
components and really are not appropriate for audio use.

-Ti
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul 16 00:52:53 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:52:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
In-Reply-To: <200407152237.WAA21726@amb.org>
Message-ID: <000601c46abe$761c1960$798b4c51@oemcomputer>

Thanks Ti - I understand what you mean by "stepped", and that's different
from "square", but stepped makes more sense to me in this context.  It's a
pity because this particular bit of kit contains a battery!    However, it
also contains a cooling fan ... and a noisy one at that, which ain't helpful
in those quiet patches of music!

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ti Kan
> Sent: 15 July 2004 23:38
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
>
>
> Nelson writes:
> > I also have a third one that I never use
> > these days - one for computer equipment.  This one degrades the sound in
> > some respects.  Whilst offering a "clean" sound stage, it flattens the
> > dynamic range of the music.  I was told by an engineer that
> this is because
> > it o/ps a square sine wave;  however, I've not a clue as to
> whether or not
> > this is correct!
>
> Many computer-grade UPSs and "power conditioners" output a "stepped"
> facsimile of sine waves.  This is probably what you refer to as "square
> sine wave".  These contains very high amount of high frequency harmonic
> components and really are not appropriate for audio use.
>
> -Ti
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul 16 01:06:30 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:06:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
In-Reply-To: <002f01c46aaf$ee9a30c0$17b40642@johnnyrotten>
Message-ID: <000d01c46ac0$5d9dbc20$798b4c51@oemcomputer>

I robbed the bank where I work .... ooops!  Dead give away ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of John M. Tooley
> Sent: 15 July 2004 22:09
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>
>
> Graham
>
> Who did you borrow £6.4m from?
>
> John T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>
>
> > Very doubtful that he'll get that price but ... hey!  There are some
> > strange
> > people in the World and one of them just might bite!  After, who could
> > have
> > predicted that someone would pay £6.4m for the football that
> David Beckham
> > sliced over the goal in England's penalty shoot-out against Portugal the
> > other week?  Complete madness!!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >> Behalf Of Michael Moore
> >> Sent: 15 July 2004 16:09
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> >> Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> >>
> >>
> >> As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a
> starting price
> >> of $2000
> >> and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> >> July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> >> with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> >> days to go).
> >> I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
> >> be 1993)
> >> and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> >> provided recent
> >> eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price
> reality check
> >> (I'm on the
> >> hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> >> Here is, for your information, the reply:
> >> "Hi There,
> >> Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you
> given me the
> >> little
> >> circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> >> So need to correct
> >> it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130
> at the top
> >> of it.
> >> Hope that helps?
> >> As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher
> price a couple
> >> of weeks
> >> ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> >> mentioned.
> >> These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> >> are often found.
> >> Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> >> reduce price anymore.
> >> I will be correcting the eBay listing
> >> Best Regards,
> >> AJKSomers"
> >>
> >> What do you think, guys?
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Fri Jul 16 01:37:28 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:37:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
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Michael Moore wrote:

> As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting 
> price of $2000
> and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on 
> July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two 
> days to go).
> I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought 
> to be 1993)
> and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also 
> provided recent
> eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality 
> check (I'm on the
> hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> Here is, for your information, the reply:
> "Hi There,
> Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me 
> the little
> circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle. 
> So need to correct
> it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the 
> top of it.
> Hope that helps?
> As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a 
> couple of weeks
> ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you 
> mentioned.
> These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents 
> are often found.
> Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not 
> reduce price anymore.
> I will be correcting the eBay listing
> Best Regards,
> AJKSomers"
>
> What do you think, guys? 


I think he'll be enjoying his 'new' CR-7 for years to come.

-- Ron

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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Jul 16 01:05:29 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:05:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
Message-ID: <20040715230527.SEPP19653.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Nelson,

A 'square' wave for power?  I've never heard of a power company sending out power in a 'square' wave.  I think someone is kidding you a bit.

Square waves on an oscilloscope look like a square and require a great deal of power because of line impedance to the destination and I'll guarantee you that it isn't going to look anywhere close to square when it gets there.

Most audio testing is done with a square wave generator.  A square wave is introduced to the input and the output must match it exactly.  That is how THD and frequency response is often measured.

My dear friend, what you really need is an impedance transformer from Stanton or Triad.

Roland


> 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 06:27:25 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> 
> Roland
> 
> Ah, you misunderstand me because I did not make myself clear.  I do use
> mains conditioners - two of them.  In fact, the "lesser"! conditioner gets
> its power from the bigger one - double scrubbing of the juice!    One of
> them is an audiophile quality conditioner manufactured some years ago by the
> now-defunct company Radar Developments, and the other (the big beast) is an
> ex-BT (British Telecom) conditioner that was used to clean the power to
> telecommunications equipment.  I also have a third one that I never use
> these days - one for computer equipment.  This one degrades the sound in
> some respects.  Whilst offering a "clean" sound stage, it flattens the
> dynamic range of the music.  I was told by an engineer that this is because
> it o/ps a square sine wave;  however, I've not a clue as to whether or not
> this is correct!
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > Sent: 15 July 2004 22:19
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> >
> >
> > Nelson,
> >
> > Dirty lines can also prove to be a death knell waiting to happen.
> >  Get yourself a line conditioner.  Take it from a guy who did
> > Automation Engineering for 27 years.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 05:00:23 EDT
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > >
> > > All my hi fi goes through one of two power conditioners.  Where
> > I live the
> > > mains juice is often "dirty" and with the right choice of mains
> > filter, it
> > > can make a big difference to the sound of some of the equipment
> > ... although
> > > I'm not sure it makes that much difference to my ZX9.
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > > Sent: 15 July 2004 15:30
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone use power conditioners with their Naks, like
> > Monster 5100 or
> > > > such?
> > > > Any favorites?
> > > > Mike
> > > >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 16 01:11:10 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:11:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
Message-ID: <BAY2-F16WZiW7MiUgjL00062d5b@hotmail.com>

Carlos:

I have found that the world of e-bay is a world of A-holes...sellers who 
take lots of junk and through puffery and outright deception turn the item 
or items into what amount to fools gold. And buyers who for the most part 
suspend all rational thought process's and bid on items far above what any 
rational person would do. Here is a good example...metal sensing tape used 
to reverse open reel decks, and in motion-picture exhibition where when 
attached to the edge of film stock causes the automation to trip and 
function (curtain, lights, music etc). I used to purchase roll's of this 
stuff and paid less than a dollar....Recently on e-pay some fool paid 12.00 
for one single roll! The seller took full advantage of the buyers stupidity.

I watched with fascination that auction for the CR-7...the outright 
arrogance of the seller was just unbelievable....this fool actually believes 
he is in position of the holy grail...but as we all know,PT Barnum had a 
word for these things!

Just some thoughts from a "hardened" NYC guy.

Neil


>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:15:36 -0700
>
>Good for them,  Mike, .don't loose your time. Many of the people selling at
>ebay don't have the slightest idea of what the hell they are selling. They
>wouldn't be able to sell the machine and apparently, they don't care 
>either.
>It's like having something that you don't really want to sell, but, if a
>crazy one appears and pay me a ridiculous amount, then, it is gone.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:09 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>
>
> > As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price
> > of $2000
> > and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> > July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> > with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> > days to go).
> > I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
> > be 1993)
> > and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> > provided recent
> > eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check
> > (I'm on the
> > hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> > Here is, for your information, the reply:
> > "Hi There,
> > Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the
> > little
> > circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> > So need to correct
> > it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top
> > of it.
> > Hope that helps?
> > As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple
> > of weeks
> > ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> > mentioned.
> > These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> > are often found.
> > Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> > reduce price anymore.
> > I will be correcting the eBay listing
> > Best Regards,
> > AJKSomers"
> >
> > What do you think, guys?
> > Mike
> >
> >
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Jul 16 06:51:16 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 0:51:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
Message-ID: <20040716045116.VUYG1759.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Nelson,

Perhaps the guy who bought this might be willing to pay.  Side not, the guys reserve on the auction was $300!!  I guess he could have added the '0'

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3283&item=5708773581&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


> 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 04:59:40 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> 
> Very doubtful that he'll get that price but ... hey!  There are some strange
> people in the World and one of them just might bite!  After, who could have
> predicted that someone would pay £6.4m for the football that David Beckham
> sliced over the goal in England's penalty shoot-out against Portugal the
> other week?  Complete madness!!
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > Sent: 15 July 2004 16:09
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> >
> >
> > As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price
> > of $2000
> > and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> > July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> > with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> > days to go).
> > I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought to
> > be 1993)
> > and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> > provided recent
> > eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality check
> > (I'm on the
> > hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> > Here is, for your information, the reply:
> > "Hi There,
> > Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me the
> > little
> > circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> > So need to correct
> > it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the top
> > of it.
> > Hope that helps?
> > As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a couple
> > of weeks
> > ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> > mentioned.
> > These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> > are often found.
> > Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> > reduce price anymore.
> > I will be correcting the eBay listing
> > Best Regards,
> > AJKSomers"
> >
> > What do you think, guys?
> > Mike
> >
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Jul 16 01:16:55 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:16:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
Message-ID: <20040715231654.XDTW25657.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Nelson,

The engineer is correct that being powered by a square waves will cause problems.  The AC/DC supply was never designed to handle square waves for power so the harmonics are going to cause a great deal of problems with your deck.

I am surprised that it runs at all.

Could you check again about that square wave supply?  Square waves look, well, square.  Sinusoidal looks like an 'S' twisted backwards and laying down.

England supply is 220V/50hz and I think in some places 220V/60hz.

Roland

> 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 06:27:25 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> 
> Roland
> 
> Ah, you misunderstand me because I did not make myself clear.  I do use
> mains conditioners - two of them.  In fact, the "lesser"! conditioner gets
> its power from the bigger one - double scrubbing of the juice!    One of
> them is an audiophile quality conditioner manufactured some years ago by the
> now-defunct company Radar Developments, and the other (the big beast) is an
> ex-BT (British Telecom) conditioner that was used to clean the power to
> telecommunications equipment.  I also have a third one that I never use
> these days - one for computer equipment.  This one degrades the sound in
> some respects.  Whilst offering a "clean" sound stage, it flattens the
> dynamic range of the music.  I was told by an engineer that this is because
> it o/ps a square sine wave;  however, I've not a clue as to whether or not
> this is correct!
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > Sent: 15 July 2004 22:19
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> >
> >
> > Nelson,
> >
> > Dirty lines can also prove to be a death knell waiting to happen.
> >  Get yourself a line conditioner.  Take it from a guy who did
> > Automation Engineering for 27 years.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 05:00:23 EDT
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > >
> > > All my hi fi goes through one of two power conditioners.  Where
> > I live the
> > > mains juice is often "dirty" and with the right choice of mains
> > filter, it
> > > can make a big difference to the sound of some of the equipment
> > ... although
> > > I'm not sure it makes that much difference to my ZX9.
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > > Sent: 15 July 2004 15:30
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone use power conditioners with their Naks, like
> > Monster 5100 or
> > > > such?
> > > > Any favorites?
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Jul 16 06:36:06 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 0:36:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
Message-ID: <20040716043608.HQCL26822.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Carlos,

Will do.  I subscribe to a Want Advertiser and visit the local Salvation Army thrift stores about twice a week.  Of course, I've never found anything of value there but I'll keep an eye out for you.  I believe a receiver is typically priced aroud $35 or less.


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 01:32:49 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
> 
> Hello Fellows:
> 
> This time I would ask my fellow members of this list to look out for a good condition Yamaha Receiver 3020. I lost one at e.bay 6 months ago,so, if any of you find one, please, let me know. I'm also willing to trade some of my "treasures" for one of those. I currently have  a 2020 in my collection, but the 3020 is very rare.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul 16 09:33:14 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:33:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
In-Reply-To: <20040715230527.SEPP19653.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <001401c46b07$275bfea0$bdd34c51@oemcomputer>

You  misunderstand - two nations divided by a  common language!  :o)
(Mark Twain)   I was not saying the Power company produced a square wave -
of course they don't - but that I was told a square wave was o/p by the
computer power conditioner.    Noisy, spiked but normal wave power goes into
the conditioner and clean but "square" (actually, stepped) wave comes outthe
other end.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> Sent: 16 July 2004 00:05
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
>
>
> Nelson,
>
> A 'square' wave for power?  I've never heard of a power company
> sending out power in a 'square' wave.  I think someone is kidding
> you a bit.
>
> Square waves on an oscilloscope look like a square and require a
> great deal of power because of line impedance to the destination
> and I'll guarantee you that it isn't going to look anywhere close
> to square when it gets there.
>
> Most audio testing is done with a square wave generator.  A
> square wave is introduced to the input and the output must match
> it exactly.  That is how THD and frequency response is often measured.
>
> My dear friend, what you really need is an impedance transformer
> from Stanton or Triad.
>
> Roland
>
>
> >
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 06:27:25 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> >
> > Roland
> >
> > Ah, you misunderstand me because I did not make myself clear.  I do use
> > mains conditioners - two of them.  In fact, the "lesser"!
> conditioner gets
> > its power from the bigger one - double scrubbing of the juice!    One of
> > them is an audiophile quality conditioner manufactured some
> years ago by the
> > now-defunct company Radar Developments, and the other (the big
> beast) is an
> > ex-BT (British Telecom) conditioner that was used to clean the power to
> > telecommunications equipment.  I also have a third one that I never use
> > these days - one for computer equipment.  This one degrades the sound in
> > some respects.  Whilst offering a "clean" sound stage, it flattens the
> > dynamic range of the music.  I was told by an engineer that
> this is because
> > it o/ps a square sine wave;  however, I've not a clue as to
> whether or not
> > this is correct!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > > Sent: 15 July 2004 22:19
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > >
> > >
> > > Nelson,
> > >
> > > Dirty lines can also prove to be a death knell waiting to happen.
> > >  Get yourself a line conditioner.  Take it from a guy who did
> > > Automation Engineering for 27 years.
> > >
> > > Roland
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 05:00:23 EDT
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > > >
> > > > All my hi fi goes through one of two power conditioners.  Where
> > > I live the
> > > > mains juice is often "dirty" and with the right choice of mains
> > > filter, it
> > > > can make a big difference to the sound of some of the equipment
> > > ... although
> > > > I'm not sure it makes that much difference to my ZX9.
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > > > Sent: 15 July 2004 15:30
> > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone use power conditioners with their Naks, like
> > > Monster 5100 or
> > > > > such?
> > > > > Any favorites?
> > > > > Mike
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 16 11:15:48 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:15:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
References: <20040715231654.XDTW25657.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV13eBBsQwY60002b32b@hotmail.com>

Shalom Roland,

Yes in South America is 220/60 Hz. England is 240/50Hz. Japan 100/60Hz. US &
Canada 117>125/60Hz. All Europe & Israel 220/50Hz. I'm not 100% sure,
maybe...' Central America is 117/60Hz.

Regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak


> Nelson,
>
> The engineer is correct that being powered by a square waves will cause
problems.  The AC/DC supply was never designed to handle square waves for
power so the harmonics are going to cause a great deal of problems with your
deck.
>
> I am surprised that it runs at all.
>
> Could you check again about that square wave supply?  Square waves look,
well, square.  Sinusoidal looks like an 'S' twisted backwards and laying
down.
>
> England supply is 220V/50hz and I think in some places 220V/60hz.
>
> Roland
>
> >
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 06:27:25 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> >
> > Roland
> >
> > Ah, you misunderstand me because I did not make myself clear.  I do use
> > mains conditioners - two of them.  In fact, the "lesser"! conditioner
gets
> > its power from the bigger one - double scrubbing of the juice!    One of
> > them is an audiophile quality conditioner manufactured some years ago by
the
> > now-defunct company Radar Developments, and the other (the big beast) is
an
> > ex-BT (British Telecom) conditioner that was used to clean the power to
> > telecommunications equipment.  I also have a third one that I never use
> > these days - one for computer equipment.  This one degrades the sound in
> > some respects.  Whilst offering a "clean" sound stage, it flattens the
> > dynamic range of the music.  I was told by an engineer that this is
because
> > it o/ps a square sine wave;  however, I've not a clue as to whether or
not
> > this is correct!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > > Sent: 15 July 2004 22:19
> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > >
> > >
> > > Nelson,
> > >
> > > Dirty lines can also prove to be a death knell waiting to happen.
> > >  Get yourself a line conditioner.  Take it from a guy who did
> > > Automation Engineering for 27 years.
> > >
> > > Roland
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 05:00:23 EDT
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > > >
> > > > All my hi fi goes through one of two power conditioners.  Where
> > > I live the
> > > > mains juice is often "dirty" and with the right choice of mains
> > > filter, it
> > > > can make a big difference to the sound of some of the equipment
> > > ... although
> > > > I'm not sure it makes that much difference to my ZX9.
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > > > Sent: 15 July 2004 15:30
> > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone use power conditioners with their Naks, like
> > > Monster 5100 or
> > > > > such?
> > > > > Any favorites?
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 16 13:47:30 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:47:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
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Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV2p67IsHtdc0002b898@hotmail.com>

 GBP 1,650.00 (Reserve met)
Approximately  US $3,057.53

My Lord!!!! Such price for a Garrard turntable!  No
cabinet/plinth/arm/cartridge.

Lord save the Queen!!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> Nelson,
>
> Perhaps the guy who bought this might be willing to pay.  Side not, the
guys reserve on the auction was $300!!  I guess he could have added the '0'
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3283&item=5708773581&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
>
> >
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 04:59:40 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> >
> > Very doubtful that he'll get that price but ... hey!  There are some
strange
> > people in the World and one of them just might bite!  After, who could
have
> > predicted that someone would pay £6.4m for the football that David
Beckham
> > sliced over the goal in England's penalty shoot-out against Portugal the
> > other week?  Complete madness!!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > Sent: 15 July 2004 16:09
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> > >
> > >
> > > As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting
price
> > > of $2000
> > > and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> > > July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> > > with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> > > days to go).
> > > I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought
to
> > > be 1993)
> > > and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> > > provided recent
> > > eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality
check
> > > (I'm on the
> > > hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> > > Here is, for your information, the reply:
> > > "Hi There,
> > > Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me
the
> > > little
> > > circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> > > So need to correct
> > > it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the
top
> > > of it.
> > > Hope that helps?
> > > As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a
couple
> > > of weeks
> > > ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> > > mentioned.
> > > These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> > > are often found.
> > > Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> > > reduce price anymore.
> > > I will be correcting the eBay listing
> > > Best Regards,
> > > AJKSomers"
> > >
> > > What do you think, guys?
> > > Mike
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 16 19:17:59 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:17:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
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Message-ID: <001401c46b58$d870c620$2d773242@CopyTech>

Well said, Ron !

Carlos

> > What do you think, guys? 
> 
> 
> I think he'll be enjoying his 'new' CR-7 for years to come.
> 
> -- Ron
> 



From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 16 19:27:20 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:27:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
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Message-ID: <002101c46b5a$26d023a0$2d773242@CopyTech>

Nice description, Neil and I have to agree with you. You hardly find any
serious guy there. The main problem is, as you said, junker hunters that
wants to live from e bay stupids. I know a guy form the west coast who
started the e bay business with only one computer and himself doing almost
everything while his wife raised to work every morning. Now, 2 years later,
that same guy has converted his garage into a full service office with 6
employees and his wife keep raising in the morning but only to go shopping
and hunting trash to re-sell at e.bay.

I have no problem with that, but, what really pissed me off is when I see a
shithead believing that he has the holy grail in his hands when it is clear
that he doesn't even have the slightest idea of what the hell he's doing. I
mean, I have seen people on the "embalming" section trying to sell trocar
buttons and empty fluid bottles as if they have discovered some hidden
treasure.
And the beat goes on ...

As long as people keep paying stupid amounts for the items, ass holes would
continue pushing their shit at ebay. Sometimes, and I have said this before,
you have some people that really don't care about the item in question but
simply bid in order to make you, the real collector, spend more on the
product simply because of a whim. Those are the ones that when winning a bid
by accident, then, retracts and make everyone loose money and time.

Well, life couldn't ne perfect ,eh ?

Carlos



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: <mikebaker at aoai.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> Carlos:
>
> I have found that the world of e-bay is a world of A-holes...sellers who
> take lots of junk and through puffery and outright deception turn the item
> or items into what amount to fools gold. And buyers who for the most part
> suspend all rational thought process's and bid on items far above what any
> rational person would do. Here is a good example...metal sensing tape used
> to reverse open reel decks, and in motion-picture exhibition where when
> attached to the edge of film stock causes the automation to trip and
> function (curtain, lights, music etc). I used to purchase roll's of this
> stuff and paid less than a dollar....Recently on e-pay some fool paid
12.00
> for one single roll! The seller took full advantage of the buyers
stupidity.
>
> I watched with fascination that auction for the CR-7...the outright
> arrogance of the seller was just unbelievable....this fool actually
believes
> he is in position of the holy grail...but as we all know,PT Barnum had a
> word for these things!
>
> Just some thoughts from a "hardened" NYC guy.
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:15:36 -0700
> >
> >Good for them,  Mike, .don't loose your time. Many of the people selling
at
> >ebay don't have the slightest idea of what the hell they are selling.
They
> >wouldn't be able to sell the machine and apparently, they don't care
> >either.
> >It's like having something that you don't really want to sell, but, if a
> >crazy one appears and pay me a ridiculous amount, then, it is gone.
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:09 AM
> >Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> >
> >
> > > As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting
price
> > > of $2000
> > > and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> > > July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> > > with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> > > days to go).
> > > I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought
to
> > > be 1993)
> > > and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> > > provided recent
> > > eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality
check
> > > (I'm on the
> > > hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> > > Here is, for your information, the reply:
> > > "Hi There,
> > > Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me
the
> > > little
> > > circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> > > So need to correct
> > > it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the
top
> > > of it.
> > > Hope that helps?
> > > As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a
couple
> > > of weeks
> > > ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> > > mentioned.
> > > These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> > > are often found.
> > > Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> > > reduce price anymore.
> > > I will be correcting the eBay listing
> > > Best Regards,
> > > AJKSomers"
> > >
> > > What do you think, guys?
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 16 19:28:39 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:28:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
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Message-ID: <003c01c46b5a$566e89d0$2d773242@CopyTech>

Thank you ! If you find such a receiver for $35.00, I'll go there in person
and pick it up myself, then, take you out to dinner !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
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Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020


> Carlos,
>
> Will do.  I subscribe to a Want Advertiser and visit the local Salvation
Army thrift stores about twice a week.  Of course, I've never found anything
of value there but I'll keep an eye out for you.  I believe a receiver is
typically priced aroud $35 or less.
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 01:32:49 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
> >
> > Hello Fellows:
> >
> > This time I would ask my fellow members of this list to look out for a
good condition Yamaha Receiver 3020. I lost one at e.bay 6 months ago,so, if
any of you find one, please, let me know. I'm also willing to trade some of
my "treasures" for one of those. I currently have  a 2020 in my collection,
but the 3020 is very rare.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
>
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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Fri Jul 16 17:08:23 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:08:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
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Correction! CR7   IS very nearly the holy grail!!
Walter
----- Original Message -----
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> Nice description, Neil and I have to agree with you. You hardly find any
> serious guy there. The main problem is, as you said, junker hunters that
> wants to live from e bay stupids. I know a guy form the west coast who
> started the e bay business with only one computer and himself doing almost
> everything while his wife raised to work every morning. Now, 2 years
later,
> that same guy has converted his garage into a full service office with 6
> employees and his wife keep raising in the morning but only to go shopping
> and hunting trash to re-sell at e.bay.
>
> I have no problem with that, but, what really pissed me off is when I see
a
> shithead believing that he has the holy grail in his hands when it is
clear
> that he doesn't even have the slightest idea of what the hell he's doing.
I
> mean, I have seen people on the "embalming" section trying to sell trocar
> buttons and empty fluid bottles as if they have discovered some hidden
> treasure.
> And the beat goes on ...
>
> As long as people keep paying stupid amounts for the items, ass holes
would
> continue pushing their shit at ebay. Sometimes, and I have said this
before,
> you have some people that really don't care about the item in question but
> simply bid in order to make you, the real collector, spend more on the
> product simply because of a whim. Those are the ones that when winning a
bid
> by accident, then, retracts and make everyone loose money and time.
>
> Well, life couldn't ne perfect ,eh ?
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Cc: <mikebaker at aoai.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>
>
> > Carlos:
> >
> > I have found that the world of e-bay is a world of A-holes...sellers who
> > take lots of junk and through puffery and outright deception turn the
item
> > or items into what amount to fools gold. And buyers who for the most
part
> > suspend all rational thought process's and bid on items far above what
any
> > rational person would do. Here is a good example...metal sensing tape
used
> > to reverse open reel decks, and in motion-picture exhibition where when
> > attached to the edge of film stock causes the automation to trip and
> > function (curtain, lights, music etc). I used to purchase roll's of this
> > stuff and paid less than a dollar....Recently on e-pay some fool paid
> 12.00
> > for one single roll! The seller took full advantage of the buyers
> stupidity.
> >
> > I watched with fascination that auction for the CR-7...the outright
> > arrogance of the seller was just unbelievable....this fool actually
> believes
> > he is in position of the holy grail...but as we all know,PT Barnum had a
> > word for these things!
> >
> > Just some thoughts from a "hardened" NYC guy.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> > >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:15:36 -0700
> > >
> > >Good for them,  Mike, .don't loose your time. Many of the people
selling
> at
> > >ebay don't have the slightest idea of what the hell they are selling.
> They
> > >wouldn't be able to sell the machine and apparently, they don't care
> > >either.
> > >It's like having something that you don't really want to sell, but, if
a
> > >crazy one appears and pay me a ridiculous amount, then, it is gone.
> > >
> > >Carlos
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:09 AM
> > >Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> > >
> > >
> > > > As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting
> price
> > > > of $2000
> > > > and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared
on
> > > > July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> > > > with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and
two
> > > > days to go).
> > > > I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought
> to
> > > > be 1993)
> > > > and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> > > > provided recent
> > > > eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality
> check
> > > > (I'm on the
> > > > hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> > > > Here is, for your information, the reply:
> > > > "Hi There,
> > > > Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me
> the
> > > > little
> > > > circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the
circle.
> > > > So need to correct
> > > > it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the
> top
> > > > of it.
> > > > Hope that helps?
> > > > As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a
> couple
> > > > of weeks
> > > > ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> > > > mentioned.
> > > > These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and
dents
> > > > are often found.
> > > > Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> > > > reduce price anymore.
> > > > I will be correcting the eBay listing
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > AJKSomers"
> > > >
> > > > What do you think, guys?
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 09:29:20 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:29:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
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Line conditioners are bascially noise filters which use L and C networks to filter out the noise injected by smps and motors and the like. The problem with commercial noise filters is that they use a certain amount of capacitance and maybe a small inductor which would reduce the noise, but to only a certain degree. My suggestion to you guys is to         
               1. Re-arrange your cabling. If your power amp is above 300 watts, let it have a dedicated wall socket. If its above 1000 watts, better to have dedicated breaker, and dedicated mains. 
 
               2. This maybe the harder part, but its best to built your own noise filter. In my setup, I have a three stage mains filter that uses three common mode chokes, and a network of capacitors. This network was originally used to cut the noise from a smps being injected back into the ac mains. 
 
With some modifications, I used one for my power amp, and one for my other components. Immdiately, the background backing very quiet, instruments had better seperation, the sound had more focus and was more dynamic. 
 
I cant overstate the importance of the AC supply, because it becomes the signal that drives the speakers and ultimately the music that we hear. 
 
BG

 
 
 
rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:
Nelson,

The engineer is correct that being powered by a square waves will cause problems. The AC/DC supply was never designed to handle square waves for power so the harmonics are going to cause a great deal of problems with your deck.

I am surprised that it runs at all.

Could you check again about that square wave supply? Square waves look, well, square. Sinusoidal looks like an 'S' twisted backwards and laying down.

England supply is 220V/50hz and I think in some places 220V/60hz.

Roland

> 
> From: "Nelson" 
> Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 06:27:25 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
> Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> 
> Roland
> 
> Ah, you misunderstand me because I did not make myself clear. I do use
> mains conditioners - two of them. In fact, the "lesser"! conditioner gets
> its power from the bigger one - double scrubbing of the juice! One of
> them is an audiophile quality conditioner manufactured some years ago by the
> now-defunct company Radar Developments, and the other (the big beast) is an
> ex-BT (British Telecom) conditioner that was used to clean the power to
> telecommunications equipment. I also have a third one that I never use
> these days - one for computer equipment. This one degrades the sound in
> some respects. Whilst offering a "clean" sound stage, it flattens the
> dynamic range of the music. I was told by an engineer that this is because
> it o/ps a square sine wave; however, I've not a clue as to whether or not
> this is correct!
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of rjlbjk at cox.net
> > Sent: 15 July 2004 22:19
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> >
> >
> > Nelson,
> >
> > Dirty lines can also prove to be a death knell waiting to happen.
> > Get yourself a line conditioner. Take it from a guy who did
> > Automation Engineering for 27 years.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Nelson" 
> > > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 05:00:23 EDT
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > >
> > > All my hi fi goes through one of two power conditioners. Where
> > I live the
> > > mains juice is often "dirty" and with the right choice of mains
> > filter, it
> > > can make a big difference to the sound of some of the equipment
> > ... although
> > > I'm not sure it makes that much difference to my ZX9.
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > > Sent: 15 July 2004 15:30
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] Power to the Nak
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone use power conditioners with their Naks, like
> > Monster 5100 or
> > > > such?
> > > > Any favorites?
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 16 14:32:19 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:32:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
Message-ID: <BAY2-F42X9rAw804b4M000eb103@hotmail.com>

Carlos:

In NYC there are tons of these places..too bad you live so far away!

Neil


>From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
>Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 0:36:06 -0400
>
>Carlos,
>
>Will do.  I subscribe to a Want Advertiser and visit the local Salvation 
>Army thrift stores about twice a week.  Of course, I've never found 
>anything of value there but I'll keep an eye out for you.  I believe a 
>receiver is typically priced aroud $35 or less.
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 01:32:49 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
> >
> > Hello Fellows:
> >
> > This time I would ask my fellow members of this list to look out for a 
>good condition Yamaha Receiver 3020. I lost one at e.bay 6 months ago,so, 
>if any of you find one, please, let me know. I'm also willing to trade some 
>of my "treasures" for one of those. I currently have  a 2020 in my 
>collection, but the 3020 is very rare.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Jul 16 17:20:42 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:20:42 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
References: <3804-40F51368-79@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net><007701c469b6$d4c4d410$0200a8c0@down><BAY18-DAV7RH9HWP5Rv0001e0f1@hotmail.com><003801c469d6$4cec7820$0200a8c0@down><003d01c46a0c$c50c83a0$13299bca@aisha><01ca01c46a50$7a695d70$1010a8c0@tg>
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Salim,

As far as i remember, while looking at the pad lifter from the top, the
thinner (difficult to detect but you can)  and longer border of the
rectangle will be at 12 o'clock position (not 6 o'clock position.).
This effect rec-head frequency accuracy and clarity.

On the other hand,  I dont think it is proper to instal plastic lifter on
the head; it shud be metal like.

BTW, speaking of Revox machines, sandwich head with Revox H1 / B215
models, without pad-lifter, has unbelievable frequency response to any type
cassete (including normal type). , even to some extend, better than Dragon
(sorry to say that).

English details in short in hifivision (attached photo) :
In the laboratoy, an amazing world record in silent mechanism which only
experienced with best Turntables:  0,016
After compared to Dragon (playback tests), mids both are the same, at highs
beats the Dragon, at bass Dragon beats..
Finally a superior machine, a reference class, better than DAT.

Keep on Nakkin'
Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


>
> Tayfur, how do you determine the direction of nak padlifter ??
>
> In my case I used plastic 'padlifter' for other decks - these came in free
> as pb head 'protector' cover when you buy new pb head, just slice out
middle
> portion for tape travel.  I'm a bit worried about getting metal plate near
> delicate pb head (not to mention any possible magnet properties).
>
> Regarding freq response improvement, imho Nak head was designed to provide
> correct angle of tape to head contact without pressure pad - whereas other
> decks' pb head gap location should come to optimum tape contact with the
> help of pad.  Old mechanism Nak rec/pb measurement showed higher noise
floor
> and more solid / smooth FR with padlifter removed.  Interestingly it looks
> like newer Sankyo mechanism has greater tape to head pressure.
>
> Considering the expensive B215 sandwich head's price, I'll take that
> possibly slight FR tradeoff to make its head lasts longer.
>
> Best regards,
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
>
> > Salim,
> >
> > Thats what I always wonder how it works after installing a proper(!) pad
> > lifter on the head with some other brands, (other than Nak.). Really
does
> > the pad lifter dramatically improve frequency response especailly during
> > recording as I experienced with my ZX9 with numereous tests. Even (for
> those
> > who are interested!!!) direction of the pad lifter has an effect on
higher
> > frequency response during recording. If you have once uninstalled and
> > reinstalled the pad lifter be sure about its right direction!!!
> > 'appy listening!!!
> > Tayfur
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> >
> >
> > >
> > > All dual capstan Naks have pressure pad lifter, even the 2 head models
> > like
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 16 17:57:19 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:57:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
Message-ID: <BAY2-F2lAeeZrvtDgw00002d63b@hotmail.com>

Walter:

If that is in fact the truth, then please tell me how to box one up when it 
is my time to meet my maker at heavens gate..surely I will be rewarded for 
bringing such a device to the next life!

Neil

PS...Listening to my 505 in the background playing some great 
music...Joachim's Hungarian Concerto for Violin, and my all time 
favorite...Sarasate's Zigeunerweisen..

Let the wave-form of analog continue forever!


>From: "wme drewes" <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:08:23 +0200
>
>Correction! CR7   IS very nearly the holy grail!!

Neil
>Walter
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
>
>
> > Nice description, Neil and I have to agree with you. You hardly find any
> > serious guy there. The main problem is, as you said, junker hunters that
> > wants to live from e bay stupids. I know a guy form the west coast who
> > started the e bay business with only one computer and himself doing 
>almost
> > everything while his wife raised to work every morning. Now, 2 years
>later,
> > that same guy has converted his garage into a full service office with 6
> > employees and his wife keep raising in the morning but only to go 
>shopping
> > and hunting trash to re-sell at e.bay.
> >
> > I have no problem with that, but, what really pissed me off is when I 
>see
>a
> > shithead believing that he has the holy grail in his hands when it is
>clear
> > that he doesn't even have the slightest idea of what the hell he's 
>doing.
>I
> > mean, I have seen people on the "embalming" section trying to sell 
>trocar
> > buttons and empty fluid bottles as if they have discovered some hidden
> > treasure.
> > And the beat goes on ...
> >
> > As long as people keep paying stupid amounts for the items, ass holes
>would
> > continue pushing their shit at ebay. Sometimes, and I have said this
>before,
> > you have some people that really don't care about the item in question 
>but
> > simply bid in order to make you, the real collector, spend more on the
> > product simply because of a whim. Those are the ones that when winning a
>bid
> > by accident, then, retracts and make everyone loose money and time.
> >
> > Well, life couldn't ne perfect ,eh ?
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Cc: <mikebaker at aoai.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> >
> >
> > > Carlos:
> > >
> > > I have found that the world of e-bay is a world of A-holes...sellers 
>who
> > > take lots of junk and through puffery and outright deception turn the
>item
> > > or items into what amount to fools gold. And buyers who for the most
>part
> > > suspend all rational thought process's and bid on items far above what
>any
> > > rational person would do. Here is a good example...metal sensing tape
>used
> > > to reverse open reel decks, and in motion-picture exhibition where 
>when
> > > attached to the edge of film stock causes the automation to trip and
> > > function (curtain, lights, music etc). I used to purchase roll's of 
>this
> > > stuff and paid less than a dollar....Recently on e-pay some fool paid
> > 12.00
> > > for one single roll! The seller took full advantage of the buyers
> > stupidity.
> > >
> > > I watched with fascination that auction for the CR-7...the outright
> > > arrogance of the seller was just unbelievable....this fool actually
> > believes
> > > he is in position of the holy grail...but as we all know,PT Barnum had 
>a
> > > word for these things!
> > >
> > > Just some thoughts from a "hardened" NYC guy.
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> > > >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:15:36 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Good for them,  Mike, .don't loose your time. Many of the people
>selling
> > at
> > > >ebay don't have the slightest idea of what the hell they are selling.
> > They
> > > >wouldn't be able to sell the machine and apparently, they don't care
> > > >either.
> > > >It's like having something that you don't really want to sell, but, 
>if
>a
> > > >crazy one appears and pay me a ridiculous amount, then, it is gone.
> > > >
> > > >Carlos
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:09 AM
> > > >Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting
> > price
> > > > > of $2000
> > > > > and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It 
>reappeared
>on
> > > > > July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> > > > > with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and
>two
> > > > > days to go).
> > > > > I was curious to know the serial number and production date 
>(thought
> > to
> > > > > be 1993)
> > > > > and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> > > > > provided recent
> > > > > eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality
> > check
> > > > > (I'm on the
> > > > > hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> > > > > Here is, for your information, the reply:
> > > > > "Hi There,
> > > > > Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given 
>me
> > the
> > > > > little
> > > > > circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the
>circle.
> > > > > So need to correct
> > > > > it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at 
>the
> > top
> > > > > of it.
> > > > > Hope that helps?
> > > > > As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a
> > couple
> > > > > of weeks
> > > > > ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> > > > > mentioned.
> > > > > These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and
>dents
> > > > > are often found.
> > > > > Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also 
>not
> > > > > reduce price anymore.
> > > > > I will be correcting the eBay listing
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > AJKSomers"
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think, guys?
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Fri Jul 16 23:44:55 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:44:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV2p67IsHtdc0002b898@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFCEKICDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

What am I missing here? Why would anyone pay more than $100 for this,
seriously?

To me a $1,850 CR7 sounds like a deal here ...

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Alex Cozac
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:48 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


 GBP 1,650.00 (Reserve met)
Approximately  US $3,057.53

My Lord!!!! Such price for a Garrard turntable!  No
cabinet/plinth/arm/cartridge.

Lord save the Queen!!!!

ALEX!
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From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
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Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] The dream dies hard


> Nelson,
>
> Perhaps the guy who bought this might be willing to pay.  Side not, the
guys reserve on the auction was $300!!  I guess he could have added the '0'
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3283&item=5708773581&
rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
>
> >
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 04:59:40 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> >
> > Very doubtful that he'll get that price but ... hey!  There are some
strange
> > people in the World and one of them just might bite!  After, who could
have
> > predicted that someone would pay £6.4m for the football that David
Beckham
> > sliced over the goal in England's penalty shoot-out against Portugal the
> > other week?  Complete madness!!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Michael Moore
> > > Sent: 15 July 2004 16:09
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
> > >
> > >
> > > As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting
price
> > > of $2000
> > > and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on
> > > July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> > > with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two
> > > days to go).
> > > I was curious to know the serial number and production date (thought
to
> > > be 1993)
> > > and emailed the seller the directions to ascertain these, and also
> > > provided recent
> > > eBay sale prices in the hope of generating a serious price reality
check
> > > (I'm on the
> > > hunt for a good CR-7A if you know of one).
> > > Here is, for your information, the reply:
> > > "Hi There,
> > > Well, I learned something new. Based on the information you given me
the
> > > little
> > > circle says (7-8-9) at the top, with (88) in the middle of the circle.
> > > So need to correct
> > > it on our listing. Also the serial number is: 11559 with A130 at the
top
> > > of it.
> > > Hope that helps?
> > > As far as the pricing goes, we had it listed for a higher price a
couple
> > > of weeks
> > > ago. So the pricing is firm. As far as a comparison on pricing you
> > > mentioned.
> > > These decks that are listed on eBay are not new and scratch and dents
> > > are often found.
> > > Even though this unit is not a 93, it is still new and will also not
> > > reduce price anymore.
> > > I will be correcting the eBay listing
> > > Best Regards,
> > > AJKSomers"
> > >
> > > What do you think, guys?
> > > Mike
> > >
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From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Jul 16 18:11:46 2004
From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:11:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] auto playback azymuth
References: <001401c46b07$275bfea0$bdd34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001401c46b4f$ae1b2720$75ca403e@ORGANISA5B32BA>

Hi All,

This is my first posting.

Could anyone tell me how effective the auto azymuth playback is on the
Nakamichi cassette decks?

 I am aware the Nakamichi Dragon has this facillity I don't know if other
Nak models have it.

I have over 20 years of TDK SA-X cassette tapes which were recorded on a
variety of machines and vary in quality of sound. It would be good to have
one good machine that could get the best out of each tape without having to
alter the azimuth all the time.

Thanks
Adam



From paulkoo at comcast.net  Fri Jul 16 19:54:43 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:54:43 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <071620041754.24178.40F816630002A91C00005E722200734830010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

Kannan lives in the SF bay area.  Mr. Sank lives in New Mexico.  Do not send blank check to New Mexico for Kannan.

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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Sat Jul 17 03:11:10 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WME Drewes)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:11:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
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Tayfur,that article in German ,says that the H1 is slightly superior on the
highs and beats the Dragon on the lows!Therefore nowhere in the range is the
Dragon superior!Now you should really be sorry!
Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


> Salim,
>
> As far as i remember, while looking at the pad lifter from the top, the
> thinner (difficult to detect but you can)  and longer border of the
> rectangle will be at 12 o'clock position (not 6 o'clock position.).
> This effect rec-head frequency accuracy and clarity.
>
> On the other hand,  I dont think it is proper to instal plastic lifter on
> the head; it shud be metal like.
>
> BTW, speaking of Revox machines, sandwich head with Revox H1 / B215
> models, without pad-lifter, has unbelievable frequency response to any
type
> cassete (including normal type). , even to some extend, better than Dragon
> (sorry to say that).
>
> English details in short in hifivision (attached photo) :
> In the laboratoy, an amazing world record in silent mechanism which only
> experienced with best Turntables:  0,016
> After compared to Dragon (playback tests), mids both are the same, at
highs
> beats the Dragon, at bass Dragon beats..
> Finally a superior machine, a reference class, better than DAT.
>
> Keep on Nakkin'
> Tayfur
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
>
> >
> > Tayfur, how do you determine the direction of nak padlifter ??
> >
> > In my case I used plastic 'padlifter' for other decks - these came in
free
> > as pb head 'protector' cover when you buy new pb head, just slice out
> middle
> > portion for tape travel.  I'm a bit worried about getting metal plate
near
> > delicate pb head (not to mention any possible magnet properties).
> >
> > Regarding freq response improvement, imho Nak head was designed to
provide
> > correct angle of tape to head contact without pressure pad - whereas
other
> > decks' pb head gap location should come to optimum tape contact with the
> > help of pad.  Old mechanism Nak rec/pb measurement showed higher noise
> floor
> > and more solid / smooth FR with padlifter removed.  Interestingly it
looks
> > like newer Sankyo mechanism has greater tape to head pressure.
> >
> > Considering the expensive B215 sandwich head's price, I'll take that
> > possibly slight FR tradeoff to make its head lasts longer.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Salim SM
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> >
> >
> > > Salim,
> > >
> > > Thats what I always wonder how it works after installing a proper(!)
pad
> > > lifter on the head with some other brands, (other than Nak.). Really
> does
> > > the pad lifter dramatically improve frequency response especailly
during
> > > recording as I experienced with my ZX9 with numereous tests. Even (for
> > those
> > > who are interested!!!) direction of the pad lifter has an effect on
> higher
> > > frequency response during recording. If you have once uninstalled and
> > > reinstalled the pad lifter be sure about its right direction!!!
> > > 'appy listening!!!
> > > Tayfur
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > All dual capstan Naks have pressure pad lifter, even the 2 head
models
> > > like
> >
> >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Jul 17 04:14:40 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:14:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
Message-ID: <28462-40F88B90-1337@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>

well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about a
lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
unable to be paralled by modern technology?

thank you very much,
gerald



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 17 06:00:22 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 06:00:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <28462-40F88B90-1337@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5Qez1enAqp0002fcca@hotmail.com>

One Think...! EXORBITANTLY EXPENSIVE...! Remember "Naked it"...! No cabinet,
arm, plinth, cartridge...you MUST add all those items...!

OK...I really hope that the seller WILL...?, find a Idiot; that will pay
such price! Around the world exist such type of humans!!!

Greetings,

ALEX!
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Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:14 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
> ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about a
> lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
> unable to be paralled by modern technology?
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 17 06:08:40 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 06:08:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] auto playback azymuth
References: <001401c46b07$275bfea0$bdd34c51@oemcomputer>
	<001401c46b4f$ae1b2720$75ca403e@ORGANISA5B32BA>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV4SZ3Zs3Mpw0002fd22@hotmail.com>

Hi Adam!

THAT'S the only Nak. that have such lovely & very effective feature!
In my particular case, I received as a gift, so always gift is better that
spell money...!, and during my entire life I begin with Nak in 1964, changed
for a better one also Nak. in 1969, during the 70ties and 80 ties cheaper
ones also Nak. 500 and later 600, among these two Naks. several, other
brands as Teac, Akai, Nad, and till received my Dragon a Kenwood 5010 one.
NOW...with the Dragon I can 100% be sure that ALL my recorded cassettes will
sound perfectly..., thanks to such "Autoazymuth" playback feature.

Adam continue posting, make us feel good!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:11 PM
Subject: [naktalk] auto playback azymuth


> Hi All,
>
> This is my first posting.
>
> Could anyone tell me how effective the auto azymuth playback is on the
> Nakamichi cassette decks?
>
>  I am aware the Nakamichi Dragon has this facillity I don't know if other
> Nak models have it.
>
> I have over 20 years of TDK SA-X cassette tapes which were recorded on a
> variety of machines and vary in quality of sound. It would be good to have
> one good machine that could get the best out of each tape without having
to
> alter the azimuth all the time.
>
> Thanks
> Adam
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From ti at amb.org  Sat Jul 17 05:44:33 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] auto playback azymuth
In-Reply-To: <001401c46b4f$ae1b2720$75ca403e@ORGANISA5B32BA> from "Adam
	Falcrest" at Jul 16, 2004 05:11:46 PM
Message-ID: <200407170344.DAA00989@amb.org>

Adam Falcrest writes:
> Could anyone tell me how effective the auto azymuth playback is on the
> Nakamichi cassette decks?

In a word, *very*!

>  I am aware the Nakamichi Dragon has this facillity I don't know if other
> Nak models have it.

Dragon is it.

> I have over 20 years of TDK SA-X cassette tapes which were recorded on a
> variety of machines and vary in quality of sound. It would be good to have
> one good machine that could get the best out of each tape without having to
> alter the azimuth all the time.

Dragon! :)

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sat Jul 17 07:45:33 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:45:33 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <1c084b51c07ee6.1c07ee61c084b5@vsnl.net>

Send your machine to new mexico and send the check to Me - San Jose???
kannan

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Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak

> Kannan lives in the SF bay area.  Mr. Sank lives in New Mexico.  
> Do not send blank check to New Mexico for Kannan.
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 17 10:58:16 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:58:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
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Gerald

There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
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> Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>
>
> well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
> ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about a
> lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
> unable to be paralled by modern technology?
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 17 13:37:29 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:37:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <002701c46bdc$32faf060$82dd883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5C8UO0ryOn00031589@hotmail.com>

Graham!

Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay, is the
Original one!
and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard, the
last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
(Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet I
sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match my today in
use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match 100% this
"Amazing" sounding cartridge.

Happy Listening!

ALEX!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> Gerald
>
> There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
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> > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >
> >
> > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
> > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about a
> > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
> > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Sat Jul 17 01:38:16 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:38:16 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
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Check's in the mail... ;<)

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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Jul 17 04:23:16 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:23:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
Message-ID: <20040717022316.YTGB13355.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Jerry,

It's not that the 301 is worth that kind of money for it's sonic value as it is for the opportunity to own a NIB unit.

Think of it, to be able to buy something new that is 40 years old and was considered to be the best in the business.

We could all argue whether that statement is true now.  I've never heard a 301, 401, TD124 to be able to say they are sonically superior to my Sony Biotracer, but I would pay up to $400 for the chance to find out.  $3,000?  Only if I was rich and nuts enough not to care.


> 
> From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> Date: 2004/07/16 Fri PM 10:14:40 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> 
> well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
> ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about a
> lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
> unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 17 06:23:50 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:23:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
Message-ID: <001201c46bb5$dcfe9160$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Hey, Gerald--you, Schubert Op.90 Impromptus played by Brendel on a 1975 Philips prerecorded cassette played by my Sanktified CR-7A , and my wife's exquisite bloody caesar's (lost count of how many....) helped me to riddle this mystery.

Methinks the high bidder is a collector that takes great delight in virgins....

This is becoming an uncomfortable analogy--if I extend this thought process to my own recent purchase I must be a necrophiliac--I bought a dead CR-7A on EBay, and petitioned Mr. Sank to resurrect it, which he did with profound grace!

Paul Dingle
Knee Deep in Absolut and CR-7's

 
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Sat Jul 17 07:51:18 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:51:18 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] auto playback azymuth
In-Reply-To: <200407170344.DAA00989@amb.org>
Message-ID: <008e01c46bc2$18568f90$1d02a8c0@mine>

Garrard 301/401 in custom plinths with an arm like an old SME 3009 go
for 1200 to 1400 on a regular basis and they have quite a following
amongst some people.  They are like by the Japanese crowd; the same
people that some of us laughed at 25 years ago when they were driving up
the prices of classic JBL, McIntosh, and Marantz gear.


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Ti Kan
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:45 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] auto playback azymuth

Adam Falcrest writes:
> Could anyone tell me how effective the auto azymuth playback is on the
> Nakamichi cassette decks?

In a word, *very*!

>  I am aware the Nakamichi Dragon has this facillity I don't know if
other
> Nak models have it.

Dragon is it.

> I have over 20 years of TDK SA-X cassette tapes which were recorded on
a
> variety of machines and vary in quality of sound. It would be good to
have
> one good machine that could get the best out of each tape without
having to
> alter the azimuth all the time.

Dragon! :)

-Ti
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From britri at comcast.net  Sat Jul 17 14:10:37 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:10:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
References: <BAY2-F42X9rAw804b4M000eb103@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40F9173D.4070200@comcast.net>

Carlos, tell us why you like them so much, please.  Is this your 
favorite receiver?

Brian

neil lipes wrote:

> Carlos:
>
> In NYC there are tons of these places..too bad you live so far away!
>
> Neil
>
>
>> From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
>> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 0:36:06 -0400
>>
>> Carlos,
>>
>> Will do.  I subscribe to a Want Advertiser and visit the local 
>> Salvation Army thrift stores about twice a week.  Of course, I've 
>> never found anything of value there but I'll keep an eye out for 
>> you.  I believe a receiver is typically priced aroud $35 or less.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
>> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 01:32:49 EDT
>> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
>> >
>> > Hello Fellows:
>> >
>> > This time I would ask my fellow members of this list to look out 
>> for a good condition Yamaha Receiver 3020. I lost one at e.bay 6 
>> months ago,so, if any of you find one, please, let me know. I'm also 
>> willing to trade some of my "treasures" for one of those. I currently 
>> have  a 2020 in my collection, but the 3020 is very rare.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Carlos
>> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Jul 17 19:42:14 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:42:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <28462-40F88B90-1337@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <004c01c46c25$65eee000$99b60642@johnnyrotten>

And rim drive at that, wobble wobble ;-) Give me a Thorens any day.

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
> ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about a
> lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
> unable to be paralled by modern technology?
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 17 14:48:39 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:48:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
Message-ID: <BAY2-F42NN79xavjrRZ00004a89@hotmail.com>

Kannan:

Hello from the city that refuses to sleep!

I bookmarked Mr.. Sanks web address, but I can not retrieve it. Would you be 
so kind as to forward it to me..the 505 is original never having any 
maladies...but ya never know when holy intervention might be needed ( 
usually that is my wife...but that's another story.....)

Many thanks!

Neil

Blue sky, white clouds, temps in the high 60s...and looking forward to the 
next Red Sox/Yankees get together here in NY...about all the Sox can produce 
is copious amounts of gas after consuming their favorite food.


>From: kannan_s at vsnl.com
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>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
>Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:45:33 -0700
>
>Send your machine to new mexico and send the check to Me - San Jose???
>kannan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: paulkoo at comcast.net
>Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:54 am
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak to Nak
>
> > Kannan lives in the SF bay area.  Mr. Sank lives in New Mexico.
> > Do not send blank check to New Mexico for Kannan.
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From luis at peromarta.org  Sat Jul 17 16:09:05 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:09:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV5C8UO0ryOn00031589@hotmail.com>
References: <002701c46bdc$32faf060$82dd883e@oemcomputer>
	<BAY18-DAV5C8UO0ryOn00031589@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040717140905.GA31982@peromarta.org>

Guys, I wonder why someone would like to buy Garrards, when there's
Thorens 125s and 160s out there for peanuts.

Any one fancies Thorens out there ?

LP.



El 17/07/04 a las 13:37, alexcozac at hotmail.com dijo : 

> Graham!
> 
> Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay, is the
> Original one!
> and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
> NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
> EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
> Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard, the
> last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
> amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
> (Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet I
> sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match my today in
> use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match 100% this
> "Amazing" sounding cartridge.
> 
> Happy Listening!
> 
> ALEX!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> 
> 
> > Gerald
> >
> > There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > > Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
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> > > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
> > > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about a
> > > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Sat Jul 17 07:49:31 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:49:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
In-Reply-To: <28462-40F88B90-1337@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <008d01c46bc1$dadc7e40$1d02a8c0@mine>

There already is a new Garrard and it is the model 501.  Do a search for
Loricraft and Garrard 501 and you will find it.  This company restores
and services 301 and 401 tables and sells them with warranties.  They
also sell custom plinths of various prices for the tables as well as
tonearms to mount.  Surprise, they like SME!

If you have to ask you cannot afford it.



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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald G.
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:15 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.

well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about a
lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
unable to be paralled by modern technology?

thank you very much,
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 17 14:55:35 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:55:35 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
Message-ID: <BAY2-F17qisrqB9eWdg0004ca1c@hotmail.com>

Alex:

I thought that Plessey the maker of Garrard was long out of business?

Tell me, I have a Garrard Zero One Hundred that I purchased in collage along 
with a Shure V-15 type 2..sitting in a wood base...what is this thing worth? 
I have not used it in many years and it sits in my closet.

I would like to sell it ..maybe to a collector of such things...I have been 
using a VPI/ET/OC9 combo for years for Lp playback.

Thanks

Neil


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:37:29 +0200
>
>Graham!
>
>Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay, is 
>the
>Original one!
>and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
>NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
>EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
>Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard, the
>last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
>amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
>(Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet I
>sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match my today 
>in
>use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match 100% this
>"Amazing" sounding cartridge.
>
>Happy Listening!
>
>ALEX!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>
>
> > Gerald
> >
> > There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > > Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > >
> > >
> > > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
> > > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about 
>a
> > > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
> > > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> > >
> > > thank you very much,
> > > gerald
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 17 23:52:43 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:52:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F17qisrqB9eWdg0004ca1c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201c46c48$638c4a00$f6cc4c51@oemcomputer>

Neil

Loricraft bought the Garrard brand.  They had long been renovators of old
Garrard's and, once they acquired the brand name, they created the 501 model
which, I have to say, looks very much like its from the Garrard lineage.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: 17 July 2004 13:56
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>
>
> Alex:
>
> I thought that Plessey the maker of Garrard was long out of business?
>
> Tell me, I have a Garrard Zero One Hundred that I purchased in
> collage along
> with a Shure V-15 type 2..sitting in a wood base...what is this
> thing worth?
> I have not used it in many years and it sits in my closet.
>
> I would like to sell it ..maybe to a collector of such things...I
> have been
> using a VPI/ET/OC9 combo for years for Lp playback.
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:37:29 +0200
> >
> >Graham!
> >
> >Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay, is
> >the
> >Original one!
> >and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
> >NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
> >EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
> >Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard, the
> >last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
> >amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
> >(Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet I
> >sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match
> my today
> >in
> >use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match
> 100% this
> >"Amazing" sounding cartridge.
> >
> >Happy Listening!
> >
> >ALEX!
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >
> >
> > > Gerald
> > >
> > > There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > > > Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for
> 100.00...    Folks
> > > > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so
> special about
> >a
> > > > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the
> moter that is
> > > > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> > > >
> > > > thank you very much,
> > > > gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 18 00:59:07 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:59:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <002701c46bdc$32faf060$82dd883e@oemcomputer><BAY18-DAV5C8UO0ryOn00031589@hotmail.com>
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Dear Luis!

Seems me that the only reason is "Scarce"!!! Thorens you may found a lot as
you described..., NEWER vintage Original Garrard NO!
I agree that Thorens, is more "Quiet Spinning" that the Garrard, BUT...the
rarity catch collectors!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
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From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> Guys, I wonder why someone would like to buy Garrards, when there's
> Thorens 125s and 160s out there for peanuts.
>
> Any one fancies Thorens out there ?
>
> LP.
>
>
>
> El 17/07/04 a las 13:37, alexcozac at hotmail.com dijo :
>
> > Graham!
> >
> > Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay, is
the
> > Original one!
> > and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
> > NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
> > EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
> > Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard, the
> > last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
> > amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
> > (Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet I
> > sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match my
today in
> > use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match 100%
this
> > "Amazing" sounding cartridge.
> >
> > Happy Listening!
> >
> > ALEX!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >
> >
> > > Gerald
> > >
> > > There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > > > Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...
Folks
> > > > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special
about a
> > > > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that
is
> > > > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> > > >
> > > > thank you very much,
> > > > gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:02:35 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:02:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <BAY2-F17qisrqB9eWdg0004ca1c@hotmail.com>
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Dear Neil!

The "Zero One Hundred" model, was a problematic model because the arm
"Pivoting", also no more Originally styli replacement. If after so long
still working, maximum $: 80.00.

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
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From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> Alex:
>
> I thought that Plessey the maker of Garrard was long out of business?
>
> Tell me, I have a Garrard Zero One Hundred that I purchased in collage
along
> with a Shure V-15 type 2..sitting in a wood base...what is this thing
worth?
> I have not used it in many years and it sits in my closet.
>
> I would like to sell it ..maybe to a collector of such things...I have
been
> using a VPI/ET/OC9 combo for years for Lp playback.
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:37:29 +0200
> >
> >Graham!
> >
> >Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay, is
> >the
> >Original one!
> >and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
> >NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
> >EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
> >Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard, the
> >last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
> >amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
> >(Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet I
> >sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match my today
> >in
> >use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match 100%
this
> >"Amazing" sounding cartridge.
> >
> >Happy Listening!
> >
> >ALEX!
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >
> >
> > > Gerald
> > >
> > > There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > > > Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...
Folks
> > > > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special
about
> >a
> > > > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that
is
> > > > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> > > >
> > > > thank you very much,
> > > > gerald
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jul 18 03:21:28 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:21:28 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
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The Yamaha 3020 is a very rare breed. It was available by special order only
in the 80's. It weights about 89 pounds with 300 w per ch. It is a big
sucker and very hard to find. The sound, well, it is good. I currently have
a 2020 and I'm happy with it. This receiver was not even advertised by
Yamaha. You knew about its existence because of the dealers only.

Carlos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Stocker" <britri at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020


> Carlos, tell us why you like them so much, please.  Is this your
> favorite receiver?
>
> Brian
>
> neil lipes wrote:
>
> > Carlos:
> >
> > In NYC there are tons of these places..too bad you live so far away!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >> From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
> >> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 0:36:06 -0400
> >>
> >> Carlos,
> >>
> >> Will do.  I subscribe to a Want Advertiser and visit the local
> >> Salvation Army thrift stores about twice a week.  Of course, I've
> >> never found anything of value there but I'll keep an eye out for
> >> you.  I believe a receiver is typically priced aroud $35 or less.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> >> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 01:32:49 EDT
> >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 3020
> >> >
> >> > Hello Fellows:
> >> >
> >> > This time I would ask my fellow members of this list to look out
> >> for a good condition Yamaha Receiver 3020. I lost one at e.bay 6
> >> months ago,so, if any of you find one, please, let me know. I'm also
> >> willing to trade some of my "treasures" for one of those. I currently
> >> have  a 2020 in my collection, but the 3020 is very rare.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Carlos
> >> >
> >> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 18 01:03:42 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:03:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
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Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV4G10Gai4om000034c0@hotmail.com>

100% agree!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:52 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> Neil
>
> Loricraft bought the Garrard brand.  They had long been renovators of old
> Garrard's and, once they acquired the brand name, they created the 501
model
> which, I have to say, looks very much like its from the Garrard lineage.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of neil lipes
> > Sent: 17 July 2004 13:56
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >
> >
> > Alex:
> >
> > I thought that Plessey the maker of Garrard was long out of business?
> >
> > Tell me, I have a Garrard Zero One Hundred that I purchased in
> > collage along
> > with a Shure V-15 type 2..sitting in a wood base...what is this
> > thing worth?
> > I have not used it in many years and it sits in my closet.
> >
> > I would like to sell it ..maybe to a collector of such things...I
> > have been
> > using a VPI/ET/OC9 combo for years for Lp playback.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > >Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:37:29 +0200
> > >
> > >Graham!
> > >
> > >Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay,
is
> > >the
> > >Original one!
> > >and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
> > >NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
> > >EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
> > >Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard,
the
> > >last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
> > >amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
> > >(Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet
I
> > >sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match
> > my today
> > >in
> > >use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match
> > 100% this
> > >"Amazing" sounding cartridge.
> > >
> > >Happy Listening!
> > >
> > >ALEX!
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gerald
> > > >
> > > > There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > > > > Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
> > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for
> > 100.00...    Folks
> > > > > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so
> > special about
> > >a
> > > > > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the
> > moter that is
> > > > > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> > > > >
> > > > > thank you very much,
> > > > > gerald
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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Jul 18 01:05:30 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:05:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
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I listened to quite a few Garrard 401s and owned a Thorens 124. Both
the Thorens and the Garrard were very quiet TTs. I do not  remember
any disadvantage of the Garrard's idler vs. the Thorens belt drive. The
Garrard used to come up to speed in half the time the Thorens did. In
general, the Garrard was rock steady. At the time, I really wanted to
upgrade to the 401, but didn't have the dough.

-- Ron


Alex Cozac wrote:

>Dear Luis!
>
>Seems me that the only reason is "Scarce"!!! Thorens you may found a lot as
>you described..., NEWER vintage Original Garrard NO!
>I agree that Thorens, is more "Quiet Spinning" that the Garrard, BUT...the
>rarity catch collectors!
>
>Happy listening,
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>
>
>  
>
>>Guys, I wonder why someone would like to buy Garrards, when there's
>>Thorens 125s and 160s out there for peanuts.
>>
>>Any one fancies Thorens out there ?
>>
>>LP.
>>
>>
>>
>>El 17/07/04 a las 13:37, alexcozac at hotmail.com dijo :
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Graham!
>>>
>>>Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay, is
>>>      
>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>Original one!
>>>and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
>>>NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
>>>EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
>>>Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard, the
>>>last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
>>>amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
>>>(Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet I
>>>sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match my
>>>      
>>>
>today in
>  
>
>>>use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match 100%
>>>      
>>>
>this
>  
>
>>>"Amazing" sounding cartridge.
>>>
>>>Happy Listening!
>>>
>>>ALEX!
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Gerald
>>>>
>>>>There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
>>>>
>>>>Gra'
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>>>>Behalf Of Gerald G.
>>>>>Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
>>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>>>>Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>Folks
>  
>
>>>>>,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>about a
>  
>
>>>>>lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>unable to be paralled by modern technology?
>>>>>
>>>>>thank you very much,
>>>>>gerald
>>>>>          
>>>>>





From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 18 04:56:39 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:56:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <002701c46bdc$32faf060$82dd883e@oemcomputer><BAY18-DAV5C8UO0ryOn00031589@hotmail.com>	<20040717140905.GA31982@peromarta.org><BAY18-DAV3YTjr8cU6x0003387a@hotmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV3fTkqhHSuE00034243@hotmail.com>

Shalom Ron!

Yes..the Garrard spin faster that any "Belt" drive table. But...the 301 to
80% of the Audiophiles in that era...was better that the last 401 model. The
Thorens 124 has the nice feature to "Stop/lifter" the platter, + a "Bubble"
to level the table 100%. Sorry but both tables have more "Rumble"...that any
newer Thorens and or Linn belt drive units.

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <ra.ah at rcn.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


>
> I listened to quite a few Garrard 401s and owned a Thorens 124. Both
> the Thorens and the Garrard were very quiet TTs. I do not  remember
> any disadvantage of the Garrard's idler vs. the Thorens belt drive. The
> Garrard used to come up to speed in half the time the Thorens did. In
> general, the Garrard was rock steady. At the time, I really wanted to
> upgrade to the 401, but didn't have the dough.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> Alex Cozac wrote:
>
> >Dear Luis!
> >
> >Seems me that the only reason is "Scarce"!!! Thorens you may found a lot
as
> >you described..., NEWER vintage Original Garrard NO!
> >I agree that Thorens, is more "Quiet Spinning" that the Garrard,
BUT...the
> >rarity catch collectors!
> >
> >Happy listening,
> >
> >ALEX!
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Luis Peromarta" <luis at peromarta.org>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:09 PM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Guys, I wonder why someone would like to buy Garrards, when there's
> >>Thorens 125s and 160s out there for peanuts.
> >>
> >>Any one fancies Thorens out there ?
> >>
> >>LP.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>El 17/07/04 a las 13:37, alexcozac at hotmail.com dijo :
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Graham!
> >>>
> >>>Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay,
is
> >>>
> >>>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>>Original one!
> >>>and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
> >>>NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
> >>>EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
> >>>Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard,
the
> >>>last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
> >>>amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
> >>>(Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet
I
> >>>sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match my
> >>>
> >>>
> >today in
> >
> >
> >>>use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match 100%
> >>>
> >>>
> >this
> >
> >
> >>>"Amazing" sounding cartridge.
> >>>
> >>>Happy Listening!
> >>>
> >>>ALEX!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>>Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
> >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Gerald
> >>>>
> >>>>There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
> >>>>
> >>>>Gra'
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >>>>>Behalf Of Gerald G.
> >>>>>Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
> >>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com
> >>>>>Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >Folks
> >
> >
> >>>>>,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >about a
> >
> >
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is
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> >>>>>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 18 11:49:53 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:49:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
In-Reply-To: <40F9B0BA.7070405@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <000801c46cac$936ebfa0$3b814c51@oemcomputer>

Vibrations from the motor, that's the hassle with the TD124, I think.   And,
of course, waiting for the damned machine to settle into a warm and steady
speed.  However, have to say that, coupled with a 12" SME arm, it was the
most exciting turntable I've used until I bought the Oracle Delphi.

Gra'

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> Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: 18 July 2004 00:06
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>
>
>
> I listened to quite a few Garrard 401s and owned a Thorens 124. Both
> the Thorens and the Garrard were very quiet TTs. I do not  remember
> any disadvantage of the Garrard's idler vs. the Thorens belt drive. The
> Garrard used to come up to speed in half the time the Thorens did. In
> general, the Garrard was rock steady. At the time, I really wanted to
> upgrade to the 401, but didn't have the dough.
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From c123666 at comcast.net  Sat Jul 17 21:20:53 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:20:53 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
In-Reply-To: <20040717140905.GA31982@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <00c701c46c33$33b999f0$1d02a8c0@mine>

Supposedly the fellow who runs Ikeda (who also did Fidelity Research
back in The Day) uses a Garrard idler wheel for voicing his cartridges
and so do other japanese manufacturers.  I would suppose that were the
301/401 inserted into a quality plinth with good isolation and vibration
absorbing characteristics as well as a suitable tonearm the results can
be very good.  The fact is that an idler wheel is a direct force on the
platter whereas a belt can lag although I don't know if this matters in
the real world.  I would suspect that to detect such minute issues that
one would have to have a system that most of us do not have and mine is
pretty darned good.

An article on Kondo said that an old Thorens TD125 and a SME arm was in
use at his shop.  Probably the arm calibration to the cartridge is more
important than the turntable assuming that the turntable is already of a
certain level of quality.  Lots of roads lead to Rome, no?


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Behalf Of Luis Peromarta
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:09 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.

Guys, I wonder why someone would like to buy Garrards, when there's
Thorens 125s and 160s out there for peanuts.

Any one fancies Thorens out there ?

LP.



El 17/07/04 a las 13:37, alexcozac at hotmail.com dijo : 

> Graham!
> 
> Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay,
is the
> Original one!
> and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again
totally
> NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
> EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
> Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard,
the
> last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
> amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR
stylus
> (Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet
I
> sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match my
today in
> use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match 100%
this
> "Amazing" sounding cartridge.
> 
> Happy Listening!
> 
> ALEX!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> 
> 
> > Gerald
> >
> > There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > > Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
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> > > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > >
> > >
> > > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...
Folks
> > > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special
about a
> > > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter
that is
> > > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> > >
> > > thank you very much,
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 17 22:30:18 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:30:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
Message-ID: <BAY2-F25FPMVJpTyGIN00038894@hotmail.com>

Paul how deep are your pockets?


>From: Fugue <fugue4all at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:23:50 -0400
>
>Hey, Gerald--you, Schubert Op.90 Impromptus played by Brendel on a 1975 
>Philips prerecorded cassette played by my Sanktified CR-7A , and my wife's 
>exquisite bloody caesar's (lost count of how many....) helped me to riddle 
>this mystery.
>
>Methinks the high bidder is a collector that takes great delight in 
>virgins....
>
>This is becoming an uncomfortable analogy--if I extend this thought process 
>to my own recent purchase I must be a necrophiliac--I bought a dead CR-7A 
>on EBay, and petitioned Mr. Sank to resurrect it, which he did with 
>profound grace!
>
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From michael.martorana at ntlworld.com  Sun Jul 18 02:42:15 2004
From: michael.martorana at ntlworld.com (Michael G Martorana)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:42:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re : Thorens turntables
Message-ID: <005901c46c60$1357d500$a3a70152@Michael>

Hi Luis

The Garrrard 401 (haven't heard a 301 or 501) is a very good sounding turntable if it is fitted to a good plinth eg SME otherwise is suffers from rumble courtesy of its rim drive. However, I have to admit having a soft spot for Thorens turntables.  My first turn table was a Thorens TD125 with a Grace G707 tonearm, which I purchased about 25years ago.  It was extermely well built and sounded very good indeed.  However, back in the 1970 & 80's, most of the British HiFi magazines were going on to how good the Linn Sondek was.  I remember reading a comparison of the Linn LP 12 + Grace G707 against a Harman Kardon ST-7 with its Rabco arm.  Both turntable were very similar in term of wow and flutter etc but apparently the Linn sounded much better.  But boy, did that ST-7 look beautiful or what!  I never believed that the Linn was so good until one day my local HiFi shop (James Kerr of Glasgow) got a Linn in.  I had purchased the TD125 from them and asked if I could bring it in and have a demo against the Linn with a Grace G707 arm and the same cartridge (a Micro Acoustics 2002-e).  I have to say that the Linn sounded a lot better than the Thorens.  I went home with my Thorens vowing to purchase a Linn when I had the funds,  I had been so impressed with it.   I finally purchased a Linn with a Linn Ittok arm about 5 years later and kept both turntables (Linn can't play 12inch singles) for 5 years, until one day I found a second hand Harman Kardon ST-7 going very cheap (£50!).  I purchased it on the spot after a quick listen.  It was just too beautiful to pass bye especially at that price!  Reluctantly I sold the TD125 to a friend who still uses it and is very happy with it.  Sometimes I think that I should have keep it, but it was just one turntable too many.  I still have cassettes made with the TD125 on my BX300E which sound superb.  
The ST-7 doesn't sound very good compared to either the TD125 or LP12, but in isolation is not bad. The Rabco parallel tracking arm is just so amazing to watch!   Sometimes good looks (and limited abilty) matter!!!  It looks absolutely great sitting besides my Lecson Pre/Power and Nakamichi LX-3!!

Michael

> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:09:05 +0200
> From: Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
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> Guys, I wonder why someone would like to buy Garrards, when there's
> Thorens 125s and 160s out there for peanuts.

> Any one fancies Thorens out there ?

> LP.

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From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Sun Jul 18 05:11:09 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:11:09 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <BAY2-F17qisrqB9eWdg0004ca1c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <035401c46c74$df654a60$ea4598de@tec>

Hi Neil

In my opinion such a machine (Zero 100) is worth zero. I used to own one as
a student also. I have 3 Garrard 301's sitting in my garage - price $20 each
at the time.

Regards

Donald

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Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> Alex:
>
> I thought that Plessey the maker of Garrard was long out of business?
>
> Tell me, I have a Garrard Zero One Hundred that I purchased in collage
along
> with a Shure V-15 type 2..sitting in a wood base...what is this thing
worth?
> I have not used it in many years and it sits in my closet.
>
> I would like to sell it ..maybe to a collector of such things...I have
been
> using a VPI/ET/OC9 combo for years for Lp playback.
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:37:29 +0200
> >
> >Graham!
> >
> >Yes...Today is a Newer Garrard, named 501...however THIS one in eBay, is
> >the
> >Original one!
> >and for such price...is exuberantly PRICEY!!!!! Again and Again totally
> >NAKED!!!, you MUST add all the necessary items, and the price came,
> >EXTREMELY PRICEY!!!!
> >Un-acceptable for me!, Once I own 3 times this same model 2 Garrard, the
> >last one was fitted to the Originally supplied SME cabinet...something
> >amazing in size, with a SME Series 3 arm, + Shure V-15 Type 3 MR stylus
> >(Which till today I have both in possession alone, the table & cabinet I
> >sold two decades ago), however no in use anymore, as can't match my today
> >in
> >use Ortofon Jubilee Mc Pricey cartridge, the Rega's RB-300 match 100%
this
> >"Amazing" sounding cartridge.
> >
> >Happy Listening!
> >
> >ALEX!
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:58 AM
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >
> >
> > > Gerald
> > >
> > > There IS a Garrard re-issue - the Garrad 501.
> > >
> > > Gra'
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Gerald G.
> > > > Sent: 17 July 2004 03:15
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...
Folks
> > > > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special
about
> >a
> > > > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that
is
> > > > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> > > >
> > > > thank you very much,
> > > > gerald
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 18 21:49:38 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:49:38 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
In-Reply-To: <00c701c46c33$33b999f0$1d02a8c0@mine>
Message-ID: <000701c46d00$5be55400$bea187d9@oemcomputer>

Luis said "The fact is that an idler wheel is a direct force on the platter
whereas a belt can lag although I don't know if this matters in the real
world. "

I think it depends on the kind of music you are used to hearing.  Some
instruments are more revealing of the weakness of a source than are others,
cassette recorders included.  The best of all, I think, is classical piano.
A sustained piano note has a purity about it that is easily spoiled by the
slightest variation of turntable, or cassette motor speed.  I had not
realised this until I noticed how much more realistic was piano music on my
Lenco turntable than it was on my supposedly superior belt drive Pink
Triangle PT TOO.  I hadn't noticed UN	TIL I heard the same piano music on
the Lenco.  I have since heard that the Garrard's do a great job with piano
music, too, and that some DD turntables, with a similarly high torque, do
piano better justice than many belt drive turntables, too.  (However, that
said, my main TT is still the belt driven, low torque, Oracle Delphi!  Even
so, the reason for that is because I get more from the Oracle in other
respects.  It is quieter (not that the Lenco, after I've tweaked it, is
noisy) but, most of all, I've been able to fit a decent arm to it, which
means I get more tonal colours from the records with the Delphi.    On the
other hand, it is damned difficult to get the Lenco L78 part from its
limiting tonearm to upgrade the arm or change it altogether!)

Similarly, my ZX9 records and replays piano brilliantly, probably better
than any other recorder I have used, including a CR7.

Gra'

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 19 00:08:38 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:08:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re : Thorens turntables
References: <005901c46c60$1357d500$a3a70152@Michael>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV69F0qnqEBQ0000a0fd@hotmail.com>

I agree with you Michael. The LP-12 is "Based"...in a Thorens, however maybe because his superior building...sounds much better that any Thorens, BUT...mostly with their own designed and built in Japan arms or much better with Naim's Aro ones + Naim's power supply. My close friend have such Linn's/Aro combo, with a Naim's Troika cartridge and I can guarantee you 100% that sound much better that his Thorens TD-126/3 with a SME series 3 Shure V-15/5/MR cartridge. Using his Naim's & ProAc 3.8 speaker system. That is the true!!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:42 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re : Thorens turntables


  Hi Luis

  The Garrrard 401 (haven't heard a 301 or 501) is a very good sounding turntable if it is fitted to a good plinth eg SME otherwise is suffers from rumble courtesy of its rim drive. However, I have to admit having a soft spot for Thorens turntables.  My first turn table was a Thorens TD125 with a Grace G707 tonearm, which I purchased about 25years ago.  It was extermely well built and sounded very good indeed.  However, back in the 1970 & 80's, most of the British HiFi magazines were going on to how good the Linn Sondek was.  I remember reading a comparison of the Linn LP 12 + Grace G707 against a Harman Kardon ST-7 with its Rabco arm.  Both turntable were very similar in term of wow and flutter etc but apparently the Linn sounded much better.  But boy, did that ST-7 look beautiful or what!  I never believed that the Linn was so good until one day my local HiFi shop (James Kerr of Glasgow) got a Linn in.  I had purchased the TD125 from them and asked if I could bring it in and have a demo against the Linn with a Grace G707 arm and the same cartridge (a Micro Acoustics 2002-e).  I have to say that the Linn sounded a lot better than the Thorens.  I went home with my Thorens vowing to purchase a Linn when I had the funds,  I had been so impressed with it.   I finally purchased a Linn with a Linn Ittok arm about 5 years later and kept both turntables (Linn can't play 12inch singles) for 5 years, until one day I found a second hand Harman Kardon ST-7 going very cheap (£50!).  I purchased it on the spot after a quick listen.  It was just too beautiful to pass bye especially at that price!  Reluctantly I sold the TD125 to a friend who still uses it and is very happy with it.  Sometimes I think that I should have keep it, but it was just one turntable too many.  I still have cassettes made with the TD125 on my BX300E which sound superb.  
  The ST-7 doesn't sound very good compared to either the TD125 or LP12, but in isolation is not bad. The Rabco parallel tracking arm is just so amazing to watch!   Sometimes good looks (and limited abilty) matter!!!  It looks absolutely great sitting besides my Lecson Pre/Power and Nakamichi LX-3!!

  Michael

  > Message: 9
  > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:09:05 +0200
  > From: Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org>
  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
  > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
  > Message-ID: <20040717140905.GA31982 at peromarta.org>
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

  > Guys, I wonder why someone would like to buy Garrards, when there's
  > Thorens 125s and 160s out there for peanuts.

  > Any one fancies Thorens out there ?

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 19 09:11:42 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:11:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
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Question from eBay MemberDear Nak. Fans!

As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.

I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!

ALEX!
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            Dear techman777,

            Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you already received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? Please, Mike, be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as soon as possible directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so much for your effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!

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From c123666 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 18 21:57:44 2004
From: c123666 at comcast.net (CC)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:57:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
In-Reply-To: <000701c46d00$5be55400$bea187d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <010801c46d01$7fd30ff0$1d02a8c0@mine>

I would bet that a Technics Mk II/IIA/III in a good plinth (NOT the
technics obsidian thing) with a correct arm would be a fine high end
table and run very quiet.  Technics knew how to make turntables and
those SP10 models are very, very good.  Still, the problem arises of
that it is a very complex electronic device that will be a doorstop one
day.  I believe this is why there are so many high end turntables; ie,
it does not take much to put together a massive non suspended turntable
as the motor can be bought from a few places.   The resources required
to design and produce something like a Technics SP10 is beyond the
capabilities of companies such as Rega, Linn and so on I would suspect.


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
Behalf Of Nelson
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 12:50 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.

Luis said "The fact is that an idler wheel is a direct force on the
platter
whereas a belt can lag although I don't know if this matters in the real
world. "

I think it depends on the kind of music you are used to hearing.  Some
instruments are more revealing of the weakness of a source than are
others,
cassette recorders included.  The best of all, I think, is classical
piano.
A sustained piano note has a purity about it that is easily spoiled by
the
slightest variation of turntable, or cassette motor speed.  I had not
realised this until I noticed how much more realistic was piano music on
my
Lenco turntable than it was on my supposedly superior belt drive Pink
Triangle PT TOO.  I hadn't noticed UN	TIL I heard the same piano music
on
the Lenco.  I have since heard that the Garrard's do a great job with
piano
music, too, and that some DD turntables, with a similarly high torque,
do
piano better justice than many belt drive turntables, too.  (However,
that
said, my main TT is still the belt driven, low torque, Oracle Delphi!
Even
so, the reason for that is because I get more from the Oracle in other
respects.  It is quieter (not that the Lenco, after I've tweaked it, is
noisy) but, most of all, I've been able to fit a decent arm to it, which
means I get more tonal colours from the records with the Delphi.    On
the
other hand, it is damned difficult to get the Lenco L78 part from its
limiting tonearm to upgrade the arm or change it altogether!)

Similarly, my ZX9 records and replays piano brilliantly, probably better
than any other recorder I have used, including a CR7.

Gra'

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From GalloRF at aol.com  Mon Jul 19 08:19:24 2004
From: GalloRF at aol.com (GalloRF at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:19:24 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems
Message-ID: <ba.5b246c09.2e2cc1ec@aol.com>

Hi Guys from Sydney Australia
I'm putting my hand up for asistance with my 700 Tri-tracer.
After the recent emails on this unit I've been inspired to clean mine up and 
to re-instate it from the garage to the living room.
It plays back other pre-recorded tapes wonderfully. However I notice a 
problem when I use the deck to record, and to play back the same tape used for the 
recording. The sound output is about half the volume of the signal strength 
used to record the tape with. I've tried different tapes, cleaning the heads, and 
fiddled with the usual tape, bias, and azemith adjustments.....all to no 
avail!
Can anyone shed some light on what is behind this fault??

Robert

   
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 19 10:30:14 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:30:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems
References: <ba.5b246c09.2e2cc1ec@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV4UNEnMeQlI0000a124@hotmail.com>

Dear Robert!

Try degaussing the heads! As was  sitting so many years at your garage, it's possible...however I'm not 100% sure, that will help! However deserves trying!
Robert inform us the results!

Happy Listening!

ALEX!
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  Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:19 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems


  Hi Guys from Sydney Australia
  I'm putting my hand up for asistance with my 700 Tri-tracer.
  After the recent emails on this unit I've been inspired to clean mine up and to re-instate it from the garage to the living room.
  It plays back other pre-recorded tapes wonderfully. However I notice a problem when I use the deck to record, and to play back the same tape used for the recording. The sound output is about half the volume of the signal strength used to record the tape with. I've tried different tapes, cleaning the heads, and fiddled with the usual tape, bias, and azemith adjustments.....all to no avail!
  Can anyone shed some light on what is behind this fault??

  Robert

     


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 19 10:35:45 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:35:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <010801c46d01$7fd30ff0$1d02a8c0@mine>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV34r0DkENvd0003a5c3@hotmail.com>

Maybe you are correct! As I own since 1975 a Technics SL-120, today fitted
with a Rega's RB-300/Ortofon Jubilee cartridge, and but never make any
problem at all!
I can send toy a Digit photo if you want?

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
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Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> I would bet that a Technics Mk II/IIA/III in a good plinth (NOT the
> technics obsidian thing) with a correct arm would be a fine high end
> table and run very quiet.  Technics knew how to make turntables and
> those SP10 models are very, very good.  Still, the problem arises of
> that it is a very complex electronic device that will be a doorstop one
> day.  I believe this is why there are so many high end turntables; ie,
> it does not take much to put together a massive non suspended turntable
> as the motor can be bought from a few places.   The resources required
> to design and produce something like a Technics SP10 is beyond the
> capabilities of companies such as Rega, Linn and so on I would suspect.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
> Behalf Of Nelson
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 12:50 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>
> Luis said "The fact is that an idler wheel is a direct force on the
> platter
> whereas a belt can lag although I don't know if this matters in the real
> world. "
>
> I think it depends on the kind of music you are used to hearing.  Some
> instruments are more revealing of the weakness of a source than are
> others,
> cassette recorders included.  The best of all, I think, is classical
> piano.
> A sustained piano note has a purity about it that is easily spoiled by
> the
> slightest variation of turntable, or cassette motor speed.  I had not
> realised this until I noticed how much more realistic was piano music on
> my
> Lenco turntable than it was on my supposedly superior belt drive Pink
> Triangle PT TOO.  I hadn't noticed UN TIL I heard the same piano music
> on
> the Lenco.  I have since heard that the Garrard's do a great job with
> piano
> music, too, and that some DD turntables, with a similarly high torque,
> do
> piano better justice than many belt drive turntables, too.  (However,
> that
> said, my main TT is still the belt driven, low torque, Oracle Delphi!
> Even
> so, the reason for that is because I get more from the Oracle in other
> respects.  It is quieter (not that the Lenco, after I've tweaked it, is
> noisy) but, most of all, I've been able to fit a decent arm to it, which
> means I get more tonal colours from the records with the Delphi.    On
> the
> other hand, it is damned difficult to get the Lenco L78 part from its
> limiting tonearm to upgrade the arm or change it altogether!)
>
> Similarly, my ZX9 records and replays piano brilliantly, probably better
> than any other recorder I have used, including a CR7.
>
> Gra'
>
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Jul 19 10:06:04 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:06:04 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D5FA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Robert. How does the recorded tape sound on other tape decks - assuming
you have another tape deck. My guess is that it too will play at half level.
How well does your 700 erase, try this simple test, grab hold of that tape
that you just recorded stuff on and record nothing on it then play back the
recording of nothing and listen for any traces of the old recording. Let me
know how you go.
 
    Regards,
 
    Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: GalloRF at aol.com [mailto:GalloRF at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2004 4:19 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems


Hi Guys from Sydney Australia
I'm putting my hand up for asistance with my 700 Tri-tracer.
After the recent emails on this unit I've been inspired to clean mine up and
to re-instate it from the garage to the living room.
It plays back other pre-recorded tapes wonderfully. However I notice a
problem when I use the deck to record, and to play back the same tape used
for the recording. The sound output is about half the volume of the signal
strength used to record the tape with. I've tried different tapes, cleaning
the heads, and fiddled with the usual tape, bias, and azemith
adjustments.....all to no avail!
Can anyone shed some light on what is behind this fault??
 
Robert
 
   

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Jul 19 14:45:32 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:45:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak to Nak/ The Best Nak / Metal Tapes/ Service
	Manuals &Hi!
Message-ID: <s0fbf948.067@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Paul,

Welcome to Naktalk .......and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post.  Never mind about a lack of brevity by the way.  You are not the only the one here recording live and on analogue tape, so, bravo.  By the way, dimmed lights and a bottle of wine is one of the most effective tweaks you can do to your system.  

Well done on the tape stock you acquired too!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> fugue4all at shaw.ca 07/15/04 05:24AM >>>
Hi, everybody--I am a new member, and have been watching the posts for the last couple of months just getting to know you all.  I thought this current thread was a good time to join the chorus!

I am a lifelong Nak enthusiast--my first deck was the 500, all I could afford as a 16 year old.  I still have some wonderful recordings made on UDXL-II's from that deck that are still vibrant and trouble-free.  It never did like TDK stuff.  Later, misdirected scholarship money in Grad school got me an LX-3,  which I eventually traded in on a NAD 6340 (don't ask!).  That deck shone with the Maxells, Sony UX-Pros and Sony Metal SR's, all of which are dropout-free despite years of neglect when I followed the popular stampede to CD and digital sound.

My return to analog was a kind of epiphany--I was doing a side-by-side comparison of some Chopin Preludes I had recently recorded digitally and some older analog ones just to hear how much my playing had changed (I'm a classical pianist).  In the interest of objectivity, I opened a bottle of wine, dimmed the lights and listened.  I made the decision then to return to analog.

Which Nak to get?  After much reflection, I was all set on a Dragon, but I wondered why so many of them were selling on EBay.  The ZX-9 captured my attention, as it was Nakamichi's reference recording deck, and recorded a wonderful piano.  Those are hard to find!  Then, I found Stephen Sank's name popping up all over the place.

I can assure you he is very much alive and well--after much generous consultation with him, I settled on a Sanktified CR-7.  My donor deck needed the gear drive mod and rec/eq circuit upgrade.  He also upgraded the Dolby circuits and power supply.  Brilliant work!

Best decks? Mr. Sank felt the CR-7 the best of the Naks (in terms of sound, design, construction and engineering), the Revox B215 second (more robust and more solidly built than the CR-7, but not quite as rich sounding),   Dragon 3rd, 1000ZXL 4th and ZX-9 last.  A pro-CR-7 British review is interesting: 

http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html 

At this level of performance, I honestly think the audible differences are very personal, and depend largely on the skill of the individual operator.  Regardless, I am very happy with the result--Mr. Sank has a customer for life here!

Re the death of cassettes--some semi serious hunting has proved fruitful.  Over the last 6 months I have purchased 30 BASF Reference Master II's 60's, 20 Maxell XLIIS 100's, 20 Sony Metal SR 100's (with as many more as I want on condition of the seller's anonymity), 5 TDK MA-XG 90's, 20 Fuji ZII 60's, 40 TDK MA-90's, 50 DRII-90's, and one genuine Nak ZX-90.   There's still TONS of tape out there in warehouses!

If you're looking for excellent quality service manuals at a great price, check out the seller techman777 on EBay--I ordered about 7 reprints, and they're great!

I promise my future postings will be models of brevity ;-)
It's good to be a part of this group!

Best,

Paul Dingle

    


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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jul 19 20:09:52 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:09:52 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
References: <BAY18-DAV5OSdb7n9xz00039f48@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002501c46dbb$970ab5f0$1b773242@CopyTech>

Question from eBay MemberWelcome to the real e.bay my friend. You are not the first one to be ripped off. Try going trough the mediation process of e.bay but I tell you in advance that they have never been of any help. Anyway, at least you can leave a negative feedback in order to simmer down your frustrations and perhaps you can try to push him out of ebay.

Carlos
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  Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:11 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


  Dear Nak. Fans!

  As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.

  I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!

  ALEX!
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  Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
  Subject: Question from eBay Member


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              Dear techman777,

              Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you already received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? Please, Mike, be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as soon as possible directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so much for your effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jul 19 20:12:14 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:12:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <010801c46d01$7fd30ff0$1d02a8c0@mine>
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I sincerely doubt about Linn as they have one of the most technically
advance shops in the high end industry. Perhaps they make more money with
their stupid tweaks that come out almost every week than spending a fortune
in research & designing a new table.

Carlos

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Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> I would bet that a Technics Mk II/IIA/III in a good plinth (NOT the
> technics obsidian thing) with a correct arm would be a fine high end
> table and run very quiet.  Technics knew how to make turntables and
> those SP10 models are very, very good.  Still, the problem arises of
> that it is a very complex electronic device that will be a doorstop one
> day.  I believe this is why there are so many high end turntables; ie,
> it does not take much to put together a massive non suspended turntable
> as the motor can be bought from a few places.   The resources required
> to design and produce something like a Technics SP10 is beyond the
> capabilities of companies such as Rega, Linn and so on I would suspect.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On
> Behalf Of Nelson
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 12:50 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
>
> Luis said "The fact is that an idler wheel is a direct force on the
> platter
> whereas a belt can lag although I don't know if this matters in the real
> world. "
>
> I think it depends on the kind of music you are used to hearing.  Some
> instruments are more revealing of the weakness of a source than are
> others,
> cassette recorders included.  The best of all, I think, is classical
> piano.
> A sustained piano note has a purity about it that is easily spoiled by
> the
> slightest variation of turntable, or cassette motor speed.  I had not
> realised this until I noticed how much more realistic was piano music on
> my
> Lenco turntable than it was on my supposedly superior belt drive Pink
> Triangle PT TOO.  I hadn't noticed UN TIL I heard the same piano music
> on
> the Lenco.  I have since heard that the Garrard's do a great job with
> piano
> music, too, and that some DD turntables, with a similarly high torque,
> do
> piano better justice than many belt drive turntables, too.  (However,
> that
> said, my main TT is still the belt driven, low torque, Oracle Delphi!
> Even
> so, the reason for that is because I get more from the Oracle in other
> respects.  It is quieter (not that the Lenco, after I've tweaked it, is
> noisy) but, most of all, I've been able to fit a decent arm to it, which
> means I get more tonal colours from the records with the Delphi.    On
> the
> other hand, it is damned difficult to get the Lenco L78 part from its
> limiting tonearm to upgrade the arm or change it altogether!)
>
> Similarly, my ZX9 records and replays piano brilliantly, probably better
> than any other recorder I have used, including a CR7.
>
> Gra'
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Jul 19 19:00:03 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:00:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
Message-ID: <1dacac51da882b.1da882b1dacac5@vsnl.net>

Alex
do not send cash to some unknown ebay seller ( it is risky and there is no record whatsoever about your remittance?) - but ask some our NAK US friends to send proper payment - provided somebody is willing to do it.
kannan
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  Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:11 AM
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  Dear Nak. Fans!

  As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, =
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Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And =
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Manual!.

  I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!

  ALEX!
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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              Dear techman777,

              Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D4>ALEX!</FONT></DIV>
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From lists at richardhess.com  Mon Jul 19 18:33:11 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:33:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
In-Reply-To: <002501c46dbb$970ab5f0$1b773242@CopyTech>
References: <BAY18-DAV5OSdb7n9xz00039f48@hotmail.com>
	<002501c46dbb$970ab5f0$1b773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1090254791.40fbf7c749868@aaryn.lunarpages.com>

He may be on vacation--I've bought several manuals from this vendor, leaving
positive feedback (and receiving same) on March 23, 2004 and October 07, 2003.
He has a few negatives, but about the same positive percentage >99% that I do
(I only have one negative, and it was over a Dragon, and I was the buyer!)

Cheers,

Richard
--

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http://www.richardhess.com/


Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Question from eBay MemberWelcome to the real e.bay my friend. You are not the
> first one to be ripped off. Try going trough the mediation process of e.bay
> but I tell you in advance that they have never been of any help. Anyway, at
> least you can leave a negative feedback in order to simmer down your
> frustrations and perhaps you can try to push him out of ebay.
>
> Carlos
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Alex Cozac
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>   Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:11 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
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>
>   Dear Nak. Fans!
>
>   As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, and
> also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike Thomason, as
> he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received the
> $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.
>
>   I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!
>
>   ALEX!
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From Colem at georgetown.edu  Mon Jul 19 15:38:01 2004
From: Colem at georgetown.edu (Michael Cole)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:38:01 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
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I've bought several manuals from Techman and never had a problem.  I'm 
sure he'll get back to you.

Mike

Alex Cozac wrote:

> Dear Nak. Fans!
>  
> As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, 
> and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike 
> Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And 
> he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service 
> Manual!.
>  
> I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!
>  
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Jul 19 16:44:32 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:44:32 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Cheating the electronics
Message-ID: <003901c46d9e$e7950560$1010a8c0@tg>

Hi Nakkers,

Last night I tried something while recording on my Nak 582Z ; it seemed to
happen the same with ZX9 too.

After adjusting all calibration levels, while recording on a normal tape,
fixed the 70/120 equalizer knob just between!!! Neither to 70 nor 120, just
between (just try it by your ears you'll feel the increase in both
channels).  Especailly trebles noticably increased, the tape being recorded
was normal tape and clarity was awsome; Just listened the same tape on
another cass. deck and it was effective on the tape directly. It could be
done with cheaper Naks (with 70/120 Eq) to achive better frequency from the
normal tape especially, though it seems a bit far from fidelity. Sure, its
your taste:)

Kannan; is such way cheating the electronics cause damage to the machine
somehow, or not???

Best to all ,
Tayfur



From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Jul 19 10:54:55 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:54:55 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
References: <3804-40F51368-79@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net><007701c469b6$d4c4d410$0200a8c0@down><BAY18-DAV7RH9HWP5Rv0001e0f1@hotmail.com><003801c469d6$4cec7820$0200a8c0@down><003d01c46a0c$c50c83a0$13299bca@aisha><01ca01c46a50$7a695d70$1010a8c0@tg><007b01c46a76$29a23d00$5e299bca@aisha><009501c46b48$7999b3b0$1010a8c0@tg>
	<001501c46b9a$f336b180$22211ec4@drewescomp>
Message-ID: <00f801c46d6e$10284040$1010a8c0@tg>

Walter,

First of all, I'm a Nakker, even a very recent one (a couple of years)
The reason is being the one trying more than 50-60 cass. decks of various
names and makes.

Myself always prefer my ears and physical and actual tests other than any
comments ;

I have had the both machines ; B215 / H1 and Dragon

For me recording quality is the reference ;
Both are beaten in all respects by ZX9,  OK!!!...
Dont be sorry!!!

KeeponNakkin'

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WME Drewes" <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes


> Tayfur,that article in German ,says that the H1 is slightly superior on
the
> highs and beats the Dragon on the lows!Therefore nowhere in the range is
the
> Dragon superior!Now you should really be sorry!
> Walter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
>
>
> > Salim,
> >
> > As far as i remember, while looking at the pad lifter from the top, the
> > thinner (difficult to detect but you can)  and longer border of the
> > rectangle will be at 12 o'clock position (not 6 o'clock position.).
> > This effect rec-head frequency accuracy and clarity.
> >
> > On the other hand,  I dont think it is proper to instal plastic lifter
on
> > the head; it shud be metal like.
> >
> > BTW, speaking of Revox machines, sandwich head with Revox H1 / B215
> > models, without pad-lifter, has unbelievable frequency response to any
> type
> > cassete (including normal type). , even to some extend, better than
Dragon
> > (sorry to say that).
> >
> > English details in short in hifivision (attached photo) :
> > In the laboratoy, an amazing world record in silent mechanism which only
> > experienced with best Turntables:  0,016
> > After compared to Dragon (playback tests), mids both are the same, at
> highs
> > beats the Dragon, at bass Dragon beats..
> > Finally a superior machine, a reference class, better than DAT.
> >
> > Keep on Nakkin'
> > Tayfur
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Tayfur, how do you determine the direction of nak padlifter ??
> > >
> > > In my case I used plastic 'padlifter' for other decks - these came in
> free
> > > as pb head 'protector' cover when you buy new pb head, just slice out
> > middle
> > > portion for tape travel.  I'm a bit worried about getting metal plate
> near
> > > delicate pb head (not to mention any possible magnet properties).
> > >
> > > Regarding freq response improvement, imho Nak head was designed to
> provide
> > > correct angle of tape to head contact without pressure pad - whereas
> other
> > > decks' pb head gap location should come to optimum tape contact with
the
> > > help of pad.  Old mechanism Nak rec/pb measurement showed higher noise
> > floor
> > > and more solid / smooth FR with padlifter removed.  Interestingly it
> looks
> > > like newer Sankyo mechanism has greater tape to head pressure.
> > >
> > > Considering the expensive B215 sandwich head's price, I'll take that
> > > possibly slight FR tradeoff to make its head lasts longer.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Salim SM
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> > >
> > >
> > > > Salim,
> > > >
> > > > Thats what I always wonder how it works after installing a proper(!)
> pad
> > > > lifter on the head with some other brands, (other than Nak.). Really
> > does
> > > > the pad lifter dramatically improve frequency response especailly
> during
> > > > recording as I experienced with my ZX9 with numereous tests. Even
(for
> > > those
> > > > who are interested!!!) direction of the pad lifter has an effect on
> > higher
> > > > frequency response during recording. If you have once uninstalled
and
> > > > reinstalled the pad lifter be sure about its right direction!!!
> > > > 'appy listening!!!
> > > > Tayfur
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:21 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] charity store pre-recorded cassettes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All dual capstan Naks have pressure pad lifter, even the 2 head
> models
> > > > like
> > >
> > >
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Mon Jul 19 19:40:58 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:40:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
Message-ID: <20040719174058.KNN29118.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Carlos,

Did you start a Buyer Complaint process?  I can provide the link if you need it.  Can you tell I've been through this before?


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/07/19 Mon PM 02:09:52 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
> 
> Question from eBay MemberWelcome to the real e.bay my friend. You are not the first one to be ripped off. Try going trough the mediation process of e.bay but I tell you in advance that they have never been of any help. Anyway, at least you can leave a negative feedback in order to simmer down your frustrations and perhaps you can try to push him out of ebay.
> 
> Carlos
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Alex Cozac 
>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>   Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:11 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
> 
> 
>   Dear Nak. Fans!
> 
>   As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.
> 
>   I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!
> 
>   ALEX!
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: aw-confirm at ebay.com 
>   To: alexcozac at hotmail.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
>   Subject: Question from eBay Member
> 
> 
>               This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and not through eBay.
> 
>              
>              
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>              
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> 
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> 
> 
>              
>              
> 
>               Dear techman777,
> 
>               Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you already received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? Please, Mike, be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as soon as possible directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so much for your effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!
> 
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Jul 19 21:05:42 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:05:42 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
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I also bought a couple of manuals last year with no problem Alex....it is really strange what is happening to you....maybe he is away....

Isy
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  From: Michael Cole 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


  I've bought several manuals from Techman and never had a problem.  I'm sure he'll get back to you.

  Mike

  Alex Cozac wrote:

    Dear Nak. Fans!

    As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.

    I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!

    ALEX!
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: aw-confirm at ebay.com 
    To: alexcozac at hotmail.com 
    Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
    Subject: Question from eBay Member


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                Dear techman777,

                Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you already received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? Please, Mike, be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as soon as possible directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so much for your effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Jul 19 21:51:50 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:51:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cheating the electronics
Message-ID: <1dcb0371dcc050.1dcc0501dcb037@vsnl.net>

Hi  Tayfur
you are not cheating electronics but causing a new rec equalization ( as well as play back equalization in playback circuit ) without the correct elements connected to form the correct rec Amp equalization charecteristics! You can look at the schematics and understand what I mean here. Your recorded sound may be having higher distortion etc incase you do this - not recommended. The switch in 582 itself can get damaged if you repeatedly try this and can cuase loose connections in some parts as the switch is 4 or 6 pole two way switch! I had more problems in some of these switches on 582 and used to find dolby selection is impossible after sometime. I also removed( 582') tape / source switch permanently as that switch gave  lot of trouble!
kannan


----- Original Message -----
From: Tayfur Gunay <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
Date: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:44 am
Subject: [naktalk] Cheating the electronics

> Hi Nakkers,
> 
> Last night I tried something while recording on my Nak 582Z ; it 
> seemed to
> happen the same with ZX9 too.
> 
> After adjusting all calibration levels, while recording on a 
> normal tape,
> fixed the 70/120 equalizer knob just between!!! Neither to 70 nor 
> 120, just
> between (just try it by your ears you'll feel the increase in both
> channels).  Especailly trebles noticably increased, the tape being 
> recordedwas normal tape and clarity was awsome; Just listened the 
> same tape on
> another cass. deck and it was effective on the tape directly. It 
> could be
> done with cheaper Naks (with 70/120 Eq) to achive better frequency 
> from the
> normal tape especially, though it seems a bit far from fidelity. 
> Sure, its
> your taste:)
> 
> Kannan; is such way cheating the electronics cause damage to the 
> machinesomehow, or not???
> 
> Best to all ,
> Tayfur
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Mon Jul 19 16:01:21 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:01:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
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I have a Rabco SL-8E brand new in box. I wonder if this guy would be 
interested...

My mother still owns the Garrard 301 that my dad acquired some 45 years 
ago. Still runs fine. Never replaced the idler or added a drop of oil. We 
replaced the Shure M-232 tonearm on it by one removed from a new Thorens 
TD-165 a few years ago.

I used to own a Garrard 401. I replaced it with a Linn LP12 in 1975. This 
old LP12 has seen many tonearms (SME 3009 original and S2, Grace 707, Keith 
Monks, Mayware Formula 4, Hadcock GH228...) and is still used by a friend 
with the original Ittok, a crazy expense at the time but one that has 
proved to be a worthwhile investment in the long run. I sold everything 
when I needed money to start in business. I now own a more recent vintage 
of the same LP12/Ittok combo and plan to keep it forever.

Long live moving coil cartridges.

-Marc


At 22:23 2004/07/16, you wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>It's not that the 301 is worth that kind of money for it's sonic value as 
>it is for the opportunity to own a NIB unit.
>
>Think of it, to be able to buy something new that is 40 years old and was 
>considered to be the best in the business.
>
>We could all argue whether that statement is true now.  I've never heard a 
>301, 401, TD124 to be able to say they are sonically superior to my Sony 
>Biotracer, but I would pay up to $400 for the chance to find 
>out.  $3,000?  Only if I was rich and nuts enough not to care.
>
>
> >
> > From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > Date: 2004/07/16 Fri PM 10:14:40 EDT
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> >
> > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
> > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about a
> > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
> > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > gerald




From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 20 04:57:02 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:57:02 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
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Message-ID: <004f01c46e05$3c585410$23773242@CopyTech>

Yes I did that and it was worthless. Anyway, I try to be more careful with
whom I deal with. You also find very good people in there too.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


> Carlos,
>
> Did you start a Buyer Complaint process?  I can provide the link if you
need it.  Can you tell I've been through this before?
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/19 Mon PM 02:09:52 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
> >
> > Question from eBay MemberWelcome to the real e.bay my friend. You are
not the first one to be ripped off. Try going trough the mediation process
of e.bay but I tell you in advance that they have never been of any help.
Anyway, at least you can leave a negative feedback in order to simmer down
your frustrations and perhaps you can try to push him out of ebay.
> >
> > Carlos
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Alex Cozac
> >   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >   Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:11 AM
> >   Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
> >
> >
> >   Dear Nak. Fans!
> >
> >   As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him,
and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike
Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he
received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.
> >
> >   I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!
> >
> >   ALEX!
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: aw-confirm at ebay.com
> >   To: alexcozac at hotmail.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
> >   Subject: Question from eBay Member
> >
> >
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> >
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eBay member through email violates eBay rules. It is also extremely unsafe
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> >
> >                     Never pay for your eBay item through instant cash
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Internet shoppers no protection against fraud.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >               Dear techman777,
> >
> >               Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time
ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you already
received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? Please, Mike,
be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as soon as possible
directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so much for your
effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 05:35:31 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:35:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
References: <20040717022316.YTGB13355.lakermmtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040719075153.02107ec0@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV3PwdPSAhHr000401b4@hotmail.com>

Dear Marc!

Sorry to write you this..."IT'S VERY STUPID"...NOT to oil the bearing, after
45 years!
Please, as I own 3 3001...make me FEEL good and RUSH to add 4 drops of oil,
depends of which 301 your Daddy acquire 45 years earlier, the very earlier
ones USE "Bicycle grease"...and have below the platter a hole, near the
bearing with a "Piston"...to squeeze grease, instead the "Improved
Ones"..."Off White" color...and platter with strobe surround, that use oil
instead such "Expensive Way"...grease with a Piston.
Take a look removing the platter, and look if have the Hole (For make
possible to introduce your finger to move the piston!) or Not!!
After that you so kindly will inform me, I will be able to Instruct you 100&
precisely what to do!

Thanks, and good luck!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Denis" <marcdenis at iquebec.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.


> I have a Rabco SL-8E brand new in box. I wonder if this guy would be
> interested...
>
> My mother still owns the Garrard 301 that my dad acquired some 45 years
> ago. Still runs fine. Never replaced the idler or added a drop of oil. We
> replaced the Shure M-232 tonearm on it by one removed from a new Thorens
> TD-165 a few years ago.
>
> I used to own a Garrard 401. I replaced it with a Linn LP12 in 1975. This
> old LP12 has seen many tonearms (SME 3009 original and S2, Grace 707,
Keith
> Monks, Mayware Formula 4, Hadcock GH228...) and is still used by a friend
> with the original Ittok, a crazy expense at the time but one that has
> proved to be a worthwhile investment in the long run. I sold everything
> when I needed money to start in business. I now own a more recent vintage
> of the same LP12/Ittok combo and plan to keep it forever.
>
> Long live moving coil cartridges.
>
> -Marc
>
>
> At 22:23 2004/07/16, you wrote:
> >Jerry,
> >
> >It's not that the 301 is worth that kind of money for it's sonic value as
> >it is for the opportunity to own a NIB unit.
> >
> >Think of it, to be able to buy something new that is 40 years old and was
> >considered to be the best in the business.
> >
> >We could all argue whether that statement is true now.  I've never heard
a
> >301, 401, TD124 to be able to say they are sonically superior to my Sony
> >Biotracer, but I would pay up to $400 for the chance to find
> >out.  $3,000?  Only if I was rich and nuts enough not to care.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> > > Date: 2004/07/16 Fri PM 10:14:40 EDT
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] 3000 dollar garrad t.t.
> > >
> > > well i sold a mint one(garrad 301) 15 years ago for 100.00...    Folks
> > > ,isnt it time for a garrad re-issue?whaT the hell is so special about
a
> > > lump of lead?was it special lead or something?was it the moter that is
> > > unable to be paralled by modern technology?
> > >
> > > thank you very much,
> > > gerald
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 05:39:17 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:39:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
References: <BAY18-DAV5OSdb7n9xz00039f48@hotmail.com>
	<40FBCEB9.3050807@georgetown.edu>
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Shalom Mike!

I really hope so!!!!!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Cole 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


  I've bought several manuals from Techman and never had a problem.  I'm sure he'll get back to you.

  Mike

  Alex Cozac wrote:

    Dear Nak. Fans!

    As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.

    I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!

    ALEX!
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: aw-confirm at ebay.com 
    To: alexcozac at hotmail.com 
    Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
    Subject: Question from eBay Member


                This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and not through eBay.

               
               
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                     If this email is an offer to directly sell you an item without bidding on and winning the item on eBay, please report it to us immediately and do not respond. An offer to sell an item directly to another eBay member through email violates eBay rules. It is also extremely unsafe to purchase an item through this email system regardless of the seller's claims or feedback, as you lose the benefit of eBay's purchase protection programs and risk losing your money.

                      Never pay for your eBay item through instant cash transfer services such as Western Union or MoneyGram. Such services offer Internet shoppers no protection against fraud.  


               
               

                Dear techman777,

                Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you already received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? Please, Mike, be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as soon as possible directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so much for your effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!

                            Please respond to the question on eBay by clicking the button below. 

                              
                     

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 05:46:04 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:46:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
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Shalom Rich!

I really hope that he will send me the Dragon's service manual, from which I
already pay...I agree, maybe in a "Wrong"...way Cash"! 3 times I acquired
Stereo items from British vendors trough eBay with NO problem at all...all
in Cash. Only this "American"..one a problem...?

Regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard L. Hess" <lists at richardhess.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


> He may be on vacation--I've bought several manuals from this vendor,
leaving
> positive feedback (and receiving same) on March 23, 2004 and October 07,
2003.
> He has a few negatives, but about the same positive percentage >99% that I
do
> (I only have one negative, and it was over a Dragon, and I was the buyer!)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
> --
>
> Richard L. Hess
> http://www.richardhess.com/
>
>
> Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:
>
> > Question from eBay MemberWelcome to the real e.bay my friend. You are
not the
> > first one to be ripped off. Try going trough the mediation process of
e.bay
> > but I tell you in advance that they have never been of any help. Anyway,
at
> > least you can leave a negative feedback in order to simmer down your
> > frustrations and perhaps you can try to push him out of ebay.
> >
> > Carlos
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Alex Cozac
> >   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >   Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:11 AM
> >   Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
> >
> >
> >   Dear Nak. Fans!
> >
> >   As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him,
and
> > also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike
Thomason, as
> > he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received
the
> > $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.
> >
> >   I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!
> >
> >   ALEX!
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: aw-confirm at ebay.com
> >   To: alexcozac at hotmail.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 05:48:09 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:48:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
References: <BAY18-DAV5OSdb7n9xz00039f48@hotmail.com><40FBCEB9.3050807@georgetown.edu>
	<005601c46dc3$64e4c0e0$8f6623c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV59qpcQIONz0004035c@hotmail.com>

Shalom Isy!

I really hope so!!!!!

Regards,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Isy Fidelman 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


  I also bought a couple of manuals last year with no problem Alex....it is really strange what is happening to you....maybe he is away....

  Isy
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Michael Cole 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:38 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


    I've bought several manuals from Techman and never had a problem.  I'm sure he'll get back to you.

    Mike

    Alex Cozac wrote:

      Dear Nak. Fans!

      As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.

      I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!

      ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: aw-confirm at ebay.com 
      To: alexcozac at hotmail.com 
      Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
      Subject: Question from eBay Member


                  This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and not through eBay.

                 
                 
                  Message From eBay Member   
                 
                 
                        
                       If this email is an offer to directly sell you an item without bidding on and winning the item on eBay, please report it to us immediately and do not respond. An offer to sell an item directly to another eBay member through email violates eBay rules. It is also extremely unsafe to purchase an item through this email system regardless of the seller's claims or feedback, as you lose the benefit of eBay's purchase protection programs and risk losing your money.

                        Never pay for your eBay item through instant cash transfer services such as Western Union or MoneyGram. Such services offer Internet shoppers no protection against fraud.  


                 
                 

                  Dear techman777,

                  Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you already received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? Please, Mike, be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as soon as possible directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so much for your effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!

                              Please respond to the question on eBay by clicking the button below. 

                                
                       

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 05:50:40 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:50:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
References: <1dacac51da882b.1da882b1dacac5@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV9ev6hNo6j300040675@hotmail.com>

OK...Kannan, I will "Wait"...a little more, maybe he is traveling?

Cheers,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


> Alex
> do not send cash to some unknown ebay seller ( it is risky and there is no
record whatsoever about your remittance?) - but ask some our NAK US friends
to send proper payment - provided somebody is willing to do it.
> kannan
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> Carlos
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>   From: Alex Cozac=20
>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks=20
>   Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:11 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
>
>
>   Dear Nak. Fans!
>
>   As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, =
> and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike =
> Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And =
> he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service =
> Manual!.
>
>   I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!
>
>   ALEX!
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: aw-confirm at ebay.com=20
>   To: alexcozac at hotmail.com=20
>   Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
>   Subject: Question from eBay Member
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> extremely unsafe to purchase an item through this email system =
> regardless of the seller's claims or feedback, as you lose the benefit =
> of eBay's purchase protection programs and risk losing your money.
>
>                     Never pay for your eBay item through instant cash =
> transfer services such as Western Union or MoneyGram. Such services =
> offer Internet shoppers no protection against fraud. =20
>
>
>             =20
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>
>               Dear techman777,
>
>               Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time =
> ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you =
> already received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? =
> Please, Mike, be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as =
> soon as possible directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so =
> much for your effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!
>
>                           Please respond to the question on eBay by =
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>   <DIV><U><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 =
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>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D4>As you may see at the =
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> eBay, and=20
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>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D4>I'm very...very =
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>   He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D4>ALEX!</FONT></DIV>
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Tue Jul 20 05:18:57 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:18:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Reply
Message-ID: <002401c46e08$4b9646f0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Alex and any new Naktalkers,

A friendly suggestion for submissions to Naktalk.  This has come up in the past, but it really cuts down on the extra lines in the forum if you edit out the previous items in the string except for the pertinent sections.....or just form a new submission with a quick reference to the topic in the subject line.  Some of the replies when you just hit 'reply' get quite long.....and it is not necessary to see the same postings over and over and over.

Also,  I too have bought many manuals from Techman without any problem at all.

Robert Kent

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 06:46:08 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:46:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Reply
References: <002401c46e08$4b9646f0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12047ybtQW00040cf4@hotmail.com>

Dear Robert!

I really hope...?, that he is traveling, and soon I will receive what I order from him????

Be well!

ALEX!
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  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
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  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:18 AM
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  Hi Alex and any new Naktalkers,

  A friendly suggestion for submissions to Naktalk.  This has come up in the past, but it really cuts down on the extra lines in the forum if you edit out the previous items in the string except for the pertinent sections.....or just form a new submission with a quick reference to the topic in the subject line.  Some of the replies when you just hit 'reply' get quite long.....and it is not necessary to see the same postings over and over and over.

  Also,  I too have bought many manuals from Techman without any problem at all.

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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue Jul 20 10:29:24 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:29:24 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Cheating the electronics
References: <1dcb0371dcc050.1dcc0501dcb037@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c46e33$a9f54ef0$1010a8c0@tg>

Kannan,

Your comments and advice always precious. Thanks for the clarification....

Tayfur
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From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheating the electronics


> Hi  Tayfur
> you are not cheating electronics but causing a new rec equalization ( as
well as play back equalization in playback circuit ) without the correct
elements connected to form the correct rec Amp equalization charecteristics!
You can look at the schematics and understand what I mean here. Your
recorded sound may be having higher distortion etc incase you do this - not
recommended. The switch in 582 itself can get damaged if you repeatedly try
this and can cuase loose connections in some parts as the switch is 4 or 6
pole two way switch! I had more problems in some of these switches on 582
and used to find dolby selection is impossible after sometime. I also
removed( 582') tape / source switch permanently as that switch gave  lot of
trouble!
> kannan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tayfur Gunay <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> Date: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:44 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Cheating the electronics
>
> > Hi Nakkers,
> >
> > Last night I tried something while recording on my Nak 582Z ; it
> > seemed to
> > happen the same with ZX9 too.
> >
> > After adjusting all calibration levels, while recording on a
> > normal tape,
> > fixed the 70/120 equalizer knob just between!!! Neither to 70 nor
> > 120, just
> > between (just try it by your ears you'll feel the increase in both
> > channels).  Especailly trebles noticably increased, the tape being
> > recordedwas normal tape and clarity was awsome; Just listened the
> > same tape on
> > another cass. deck and it was effective on the tape directly. It
> > could be
> > done with cheaper Naks (with 70/120 Eq) to achive better frequency
> > from the
> > normal tape especially, though it seems a bit far from fidelity.
> > Sure, its
> > your taste:)
> >
> > Kannan; is such way cheating the electronics cause damage to the
> > machinesomehow, or not???
> >
> > Best to all ,
> > Tayfur
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jul 20 12:44:52 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:44:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] Reply
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV12047ybtQW00040cf4@hotmail.com>
References: <002401c46e08$4b9646f0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
	<BAY18-DAV12047ybtQW00040cf4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <17451.212.178.7.62.1090320292.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

I hope so for you... He DID list quite a lot of new manuals today on ebay,
if that can be an indication he actually did it...
Wouter

> Dear Robert!
>
> I really hope...?, that he is traveling, and soon I will receive what I
> order from him????
>
> Be well!
>
> ALEX!
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>   To: naktalk at naks.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:18 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Reply
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>   Hi Alex and any new Naktalkers,
>
>   A friendly suggestion for submissions to Naktalk.  This has come up in
> the past, but it really cuts down on the extra lines in the forum if you
> edit out the previous items in the string except for the pertinent
> sections.....or just form a new submission with a quick reference to the
> topic in the subject line.  Some of the replies when you just hit
> 'reply' get quite long.....and it is not necessary to see the same
> postings over and over and over.
>
>   Also,  I too have bought many manuals from Techman without any problem
> at all.
>
>   Robert Kent
>
>
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From GalloRF at aol.com  Tue Jul 20 14:00:34 2004
From: GalloRF at aol.com (GalloRF at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:00:34 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems
Message-ID: <1d3.265a005f.2e2e6362@aol.com>

Thanks Tom
I've gone through your suggested procedure, and I've also degaussed the heads 
and tape contact parts around the transport as sugggested by Alex earlier. 
I noticed a marked difference with the treble response on playback of 
pre-recorded tapes. However the problem with tapes recorded on the machine persists.
Yes, the recording also sounded muffled on another machine (less than half 
the indicated signal strength on the recording run). The deck seems to erase 
pre-recorded material effectively with no trace of background sound. I also ran 
the same blank recording on the other machine and that was fine as well. 
Any other suggestions?


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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Jul 21 00:14:55 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:14:55 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D600@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Well the good news is that the erase circuitry is doing it's job correctly.
Whenever I have come across a machine that exhibits the same faults as yours
it is usually an indication that some components have gone bad - usually the
caps. I don't think that the heads are in any trouble - especially your
playback head and erase head. Could it be that your record head is not
aligned properly? Does the recording sound muffled on the 700? And the final
question is the recording level on both channels equal?
 
    Regards,
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: GalloRF at aol.com [mailto:GalloRF at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 July 2004 10:01 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems


Thanks Tom
I've gone through your suggested procedure, and I've also degaussed the
heads and tape contact parts around the transport as sugggested by Alex
earlier. 
I noticed a marked difference with the treble response on playback of
pre-recorded tapes. However the problem with tapes recorded on the machine
persists.
Yes, the recording also sounded muffled on another machine (less than half
the indicated signal strength on the recording run). The deck seems to erase
pre-recorded material effectively with no trace of background sound. I also
ran the same blank recording on the other machine and that was fine as well.

Any other suggestions?


Robert 


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 21 06:23:05 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:23:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] eBay View About Me for techman777
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV1f519AZwtc0004802e@hotmail.com>


http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=techman777


My Friends!

Amazing "BLA...BLA...BLA"!

But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 21 06:37:34 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:37:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] I sent him a "Reminder"
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12ukBKkI9j00047c75@hotmail.com>


http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/-N-.htm


My heart fully Friends!

Seems me that is the same vendor/seller Mike Thomason?
However I take a "Chance"...and sent him a "Reminder"...I hope that will
make "HIM"...feel NOT so comfortable!

I will wait for his "Educated" response.

Regards,

ALEX!


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From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: <mike at vintageaudiomanuals.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:30 AM
Subject: Reminder!!!!


> Sure can. My address is
>
> Mike Thomason
> 1724 Ashtree Ct
> Fairfield, CA 94534-3964
> USA
>
> Have a great weekend.
>
> Mike
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com]
>   Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:38 AM
>   To: Mike Thomason
>   Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member: Nakamichi DRAGON Cassette Deck
> Service Manual
>
>
>   Hi Mike!
>
>   Just return from my trip to Lima Peru, inform me is I can send you the
> $:20.00 in cash, for receive a copy of the Service Instructions for my
Nak.
> Dragon?
>
>   Be well, and Thanks!!!
>
>   ALEX!



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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Jul 21 06:19:08 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:19:08 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] eBay View About Me for techman777
References: <BAY18-DAV1f519AZwtc0004802e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c46eda$1e69e9c0$72299bca@aisha>


Hi Alex, he got almost 20 feedbacks a day and assuming he's processing same
number of manuals everyday, there may be little time left for individual
emails.  I don't think this is one of ebay's scam artist but more like that
one bad luck happens to any of us.  I hope it's only late delivery.  You're
still lucky not to face Stephen-like email delay =)

On ebay nice facts, I once waited almost a month for a reply - after rushing
to make instant payment with costly western union.  Cash is not collected,
seller can't be contacted and money can't be re-retrieved once sent.  Turned
out he's in a naval base somewhere and mostly 'on the road'.  On another
case, seller waited and did not reply my email before realising that I tried
to inform him that for registered mail he needs to go to post office to pick
up the envelope and sign up a release form.

In any case if you need another manual and you are outside the US, it's less
costly to get it through www.schaltungsdienst.de manual copy service in
Berlin.  I believe about $10-15 when the Euro was still weak, maybe a bit
more nowadays.

Good luck,
Salim !


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:23 AM
Subject: [naktalk] eBay View About Me for techman777


>
> http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=techman777
>
>
> My Friends!
>
> Amazing "BLA...BLA...BLA"!
>
>
But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> !!!!!!!!
>




From paulkoo at comcast.net  Tue Jul 20 16:49:37 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:49:37 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
Message-ID: <072020041449.1061.40FD31010001A4DD000004252200750784010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

No problem with techman.  Bought CR7A manual from him this year.  I would not send cash in mail under any circumstances.  

Paul


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From hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar  Tue Jul 20 19:44:20 2004
From: hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar (Horacio Groppa)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:44:20 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reply
Message-ID: <02f801c46e81$32723ac0$855a2ac8@thyny>

rjkent> Some of the replies when you just hit 'reply' get
rjkent> quite long.....and it is not necessary to see the
rjkent> same postings over and over and over.

You are right. That's completely unnecesary.

Saludos

Horacio



From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Wed Jul 21 02:35:36 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:35:36 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 582 no record
Message-ID: <p06010201bd235cb5bcaf@[192.168.0.7]>

I recently purchased on Ebay a LX-3 and  a 582 deck. The LX-3 works 
well but the 582 does not record. The transport and control lights 
operate OK but the cam turns to PY instead of Rec. Can anyone suggest 
clues to the fault please? I have a 581 manual which appears 
substantially the same although the 582 does not have a mechanical 
record switch on the main board as does my 581.

Is there a link to manuals or circuit diagrams for the LX-3 and 582?

I would also like to track down some calibration tapes.

Thanks

David
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PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597
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From GalloRF at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 02:56:31 2004
From: GalloRF at aol.com (GalloRF at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:56:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems
Message-ID: <60D63557.2A92BD2C.0016D6B3@aol.com>

Yes, the recording does sound muffled on the 700. It is hard to tell if the recording levels on both channels are the same as the needles on the meters hardly move. The left channel and right channel sound intensity through the headphones seem to indicate there is a slight variance.

Robert 


From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jul 21 05:39:12 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:39:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] I sent him a "Reminder"
Message-ID: <20040721033912.JPAS7562.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Alex,

Let me understand this.  You bid on the auction, you win and you've not received the item.

How long has it been since you paid for the auction and did he reply that the item would be sent?

I wouldn't let a single day go by after I've won an auction and not let the seller contact me.

I personally don't care if he went on vacation while he was running an auction.  It's irresponsible to run an auction and not be around for questions or problems afterwards.


> 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> Date: 2004/07/21 Wed AM 12:37:34 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] I sent him a "Reminder"
> 
> 
> http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/-N-.htm
> 
> 
> My heart fully Friends!
> 
> Seems me that is the same vendor/seller Mike Thomason?
> However I take a "Chance"...and sent him a "Reminder"...I hope that will
> make "HIM"...feel NOT so comfortable!
> 
> I will wait for his "Educated" response.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> ALEX!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> To: <mike at vintageaudiomanuals.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:30 AM
> Subject: Reminder!!!!
> 
> 
> > Sure can. My address is
> >
> > Mike Thomason
> > 1724 Ashtree Ct
> > Fairfield, CA 94534-3964
> > USA
> >
> > Have a great weekend.
> >
> > Mike
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com]
> >   Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:38 AM
> >   To: Mike Thomason
> >   Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member: Nakamichi DRAGON Cassette Deck
> > Service Manual
> >
> >
> >   Hi Mike!
> >
> >   Just return from my trip to Lima Peru, inform me is I can send you the
> > $:20.00 in cash, for receive a copy of the Service Instructions for my
> Nak.
> > Dragon?
> >
> >   Be well, and Thanks!!!
> >
> >   ALEX!
> 
> 
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 21 10:29:01 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:29:01 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] I sent him a "Reminder"
References: <20040721033912.JPAS7562.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV9xbHSYbEgk00048904@hotmail.com>

Hi!

Maybe...?, I don't make myself crystal clear understudied! I don't bid on
the auction, as you may noticed or maybe not...I ask him trough eBay send
his a letter, if $:20.00 is acceptable for him, HE AGREE...!, and reply me
IT'S FINE (His words!!!).
I went month and half visiting my native country Peru, and when I return...,
I ask him if he has a copy for me..?, and if I can send him the money in
cash...he reply SURE CAN...MY ADDRESS IS...
So The next day I have the Post office receipt dated;  June. 11. 2004, the
letter with the $:20.00 in one bill was sent certificated/registered... Till
today no replay from him if receive or NOT receive my envelope.

His sole way...!; make me very angry...at least Alex; I received or I don't
received your envelope! after that I scanned and sent him the receipt with
the number of the registered/certificate letter envelope which was sent by
First Class Air Mail!

That's all!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] I sent him a "Reminder"


> Alex,
>
> Let me understand this.  You bid on the auction, you win and you've not
received the item.
>
> How long has it been since you paid for the auction and did he reply that
the item would be sent?
>
> I wouldn't let a single day go by after I've won an auction and not let
the seller contact me.
>
> I personally don't care if he went on vacation while he was running an
auction.  It's irresponsible to run an auction and not be around for
questions or problems afterwards.
>
>
> >
> > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > Date: 2004/07/21 Wed AM 12:37:34 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: [naktalk] I sent him a "Reminder"
> >
> >
> > http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/-N-.htm
> >
> >
> > My heart fully Friends!
> >
> > Seems me that is the same vendor/seller Mike Thomason?
> > However I take a "Chance"...and sent him a "Reminder"...I hope that will
> > make "HIM"...feel NOT so comfortable!
> >
> > I will wait for his "Educated" response.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > ALEX!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > To: <mike at vintageaudiomanuals.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:30 AM
> > Subject: Reminder!!!!
> >
> >
> > > Sure can. My address is
> > >
> > > Mike Thomason
> > > 1724 Ashtree Ct
> > > Fairfield, CA 94534-3964
> > > USA
> > >
> > > Have a great weekend.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com]
> > >   Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:38 AM
> > >   To: Mike Thomason
> > >   Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member: Nakamichi DRAGON Cassette
Deck
> > > Service Manual
> > >
> > >
> > >   Hi Mike!
> > >
> > >   Just return from my trip to Lima Peru, inform me is I can send you
the
> > > $:20.00 in cash, for receive a copy of the Service Instructions for my
> > Nak.
> > > Dragon?
> > >
> > >   Be well, and Thanks!!!
> > >
> > >   ALEX!
> >
> >
> >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Jul 22 01:38:55 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:38:55 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 582 no record
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D605@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Interesting David, oh BTW good purchases. On the subject of the 582 from
memory the cam motor position can be adjusted by to trimpots near the cam
motor - sorry I don't have the service manual on me. Before you make this
adjustment see if you can force the cam postition into the right position
for record and check to see if recording is ok - i.e. press record/play and
with your finger move the cam slightly to the record mode. If this works you
can make the adjustment via these two trimpots - I think it was vr 401 &
402, they should be at or very near the cam motor.

	Hope this helps.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Thompson [mailto:wontulp at zoomnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2004 10:36 
To: Naktalk
Subject: [naktalk] 582 no record

The transport and control lights 
operate OK but the cam turns to PY instead of Rec. 


From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Jul 22 01:58:45 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:58:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] collectors casettes
Message-ID: <20524-40FF0335-870@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net>

hello everyone,today i just found a cassette to go in my special
collection along with my Cocoa Puffs mail away premium with Sonny
singing popular tunes, two Elvis original cassettes, Samantha Fox "i
wanna have some fun", the Spice girls ,and original Star Wars and 2001
soundtrack cassettes.The one I found today is "Pia Zadora singing with
the London Philharmionic ". The tape is in perfect mechanical
condition,but,is this safe to play in my deck..i mean,it wont break it
or anything will it?

thank you very much,
gerald

thank you very much,
gerald



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jul 21 13:44:19 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 7:44:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] I sent him a "Reminder"
Message-ID: <20040721114417.NGIV18630.lakermmtao10.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Alex,

Sorry, I did not understand and I never read your original post.

If it was certified mail, if there a way to track it and does certified mail in Peru come with a certain dollar value of insurance?  You just may be able to collect from your post office if it was lost.


> 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> Date: 2004/07/21 Wed AM 04:29:01 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] I sent him a "Reminder"
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Maybe...?, I don't make myself crystal clear understudied! I don't bid on
> the auction, as you may noticed or maybe not...I ask him trough eBay send
> his a letter, if $:20.00 is acceptable for him, HE AGREE...!, and reply me
> IT'S FINE (His words!!!).
> I went month and half visiting my native country Peru, and when I return...,
> I ask him if he has a copy for me..?, and if I can send him the money in
> cash...he reply SURE CAN...MY ADDRESS IS...
> So The next day I have the Post office receipt dated;  June. 11. 2004, the
> letter with the $:20.00 in one bill was sent certificated/registered... Till
> today no replay from him if receive or NOT receive my envelope.
> 
> His sole way...!; make me very angry...at least Alex; I received or I don't
> received your envelope! after that I scanned and sent him the receipt with
> the number of the registered/certificate letter envelope which was sent by
> First Class Air Mail!
> 
> That's all!
> 
> ALEX!


Roland



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jul 22 02:05:34 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:05:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] collectors casettes
Message-ID: <20040722000535.JDCJ12235.lakermmtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Jerry,

Just look at it.  I heard it is one step worse than the William Shatner cassette.

Exercise caution here.


> 
> From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> Date: 2004/07/21 Wed PM 07:58:45 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] collectors casettes
> 
> hello everyone,today i just found a cassette to go in my special
> collection along with my Cocoa Puffs mail away premium with Sonny
> singing popular tunes, two Elvis original cassettes, Samantha Fox "i
> wanna have some fun", the Spice girls ,and original Star Wars and 2001
> soundtrack cassettes.The one I found today is "Pia Zadora singing with
> the London Philharmionic ". The tape is in perfect mechanical
> condition,but,is this safe to play in my deck..i mean,it wont break it
> or anything will it?
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
> 
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Thu Jul 22 02:28:00 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:28:00 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 582 no record
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D605@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D605@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <p06010200bd24b585e83e@[192.168.0.7]>

Thanks for that, Tom. I did adjust the two trimpots 401 and 402. One 
adjusts the stop position and the other the play position. Then the 
other controls should then fall into line, but Rec does not. I will 
see if the cam will move there by hand, but it is a full half turn. 
Otherwise I will try replacing a cap and transistor.

David

>Interesting David, oh BTW good purchases. On the subject of the 582 from
>memory the cam motor position can be adjusted by to trimpots near the cam
>motor - sorry I don't have the service manual on me. Before you make this
>adjustment see if you can force the cam postition into the right position
>for record and check to see if recording is ok - i.e. press record/play and
>with your finger move the cam slightly to the record mode. If this works you
>can make the adjustment via these two trimpots - I think it was vr 401 &
>402, they should be at or very near the cam motor.
>
>	Hope this helps.
>
>	Tom.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Thompson [mailto:wontulp at zoomnet.com.au]
>Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2004 10:36
>To: Naktalk
>Subject: [naktalk] 582 no record
>
>The transport and control lights
>operate OK but the cam turns to PY instead of Rec.
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PH 07 4041 4596, Fax 07 4041 4597
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jul 23 00:05:02 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:05:02 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MK II
References: <10de41110e453a.10e453a10de411@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <003a01c47037$f136a920$4e773242@CopyTech>

Fellows: be aware. First batch of Marathon Tape MK II is leaving on
Saturday. By Wednesday next week you should start receiving it.

Happy Listening !

Carlos



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Fri Jul 23 00:46:20 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:46:20 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D60C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>


Ok Robert I have a hunch that your 700 may have head alignment issues. The
first thing we know is that you can play pre-recorded tapes ok on the 700 so
the playback head is aligned, to check if the recording head is aligned you
will need to grab your blank tape (what tape are you using BTW - is it a
chrome, normal or metal tape?) I know what everyone is thinking on the list
"you can't use a metal tape on the 700 tri-tracer" - just checking. Pop the
blank tape into the 700 and see if you can pump in a 400Hz 0dB signal into
the line in terminals of the 700. You can connect your pc's sound card to
the unit and use a software package to generate the signal for you using
such programs as Steinberg's Wave edit pro. You will also need to pump in a
15KHz -20dB signal into the unit too for later. I you have the signal
generator attached and are ready to go then your first step is to start
recording and feed the 400Hz 0dB signal in first, adjust the head height
screw for the record head first until the meters read 0dB or at least are
very close to it. Once you have done that pump in the 15KHz -20dB signal
into the 700 and adjust the azimuth screw for the record head until the
meters both read -20 dB. When you have completed these steps then record
some music onto the tape and playback to hear the results, if it is ok then
well done, if it still sounds terrible then the 700 may need a trip to the
doctor for some attention.

	Hope this helps, keep us posted.

	Regards,

	Tom.


From luis at peromarta.org  Thu Jul 22 19:41:10 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:41:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] The dream dies hard
In-Reply-To: <40F69E27.6000503@bellsouth.net>
References: <40F69E27.6000503@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <20040722174110.GA28907@peromarta.org>

Well, looks like it will now sell for $1000.

eBay Item #5710443024

Best rgds, LP.


El 15/07/04 a las 11:09, 3ld at bellsouth.net dijo : 

> As noted a few weeks ago, a CR-7A appeared on eBay with a starting price 
> of $2000
> and a buy it now price of $2500 (no bids, of course). It reappeared on 
> July 10 (eBay 5709224024)
> with a starting price of $1500 and BIN of $1850 (still no bids and two 
> days to go).

-- 
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Todas las cosas están en un estado de desmadre total.

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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jul 22 21:04:18 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:04:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MK II
Message-ID: <20040722190418.WMJI11198.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Thank you Carlos!!


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/07/22 Thu PM 06:05:02 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MK II
> 
> Fellows: be aware. First batch of Marathon Tape MK II is leaving on
> Saturday. By Wednesday next week you should start receiving it.
> 
> Happy Listening !
> 
> Carlos
> 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jul 22 21:51:54 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:51:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MK II
In-Reply-To: <003a01c47037$f136a920$4e773242@CopyTech>
References: <10de41110e453a.10e453a10de411@vsnl.net>
	<003a01c47037$f136a920$4e773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <1090525914.41001adaeca14@mail.ce.net>

Can't wait Carlos! Thank you for spending hours getting this done for your 
Naktalk brothers! Magnifico indeed!

John T. 

Quoting El Magnifico <copytec at coqui.net>:

> Fellows: be aware. First batch of Marathon Tape MK II is leaving on
> Saturday. By Wednesday next week you should start receiving it.
> 
> Happy Listening !
> 
> Carlos
> 
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From GalloRF at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 07:50:39 2004
From: GalloRF at aol.com (GalloRF at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:50:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-tracer problems
Message-ID: <284565EF.16B2FDE4.0016D6B3@aol.com>

Thanks Tom
I'll try this out. It may take me some time to get back to you as I'll be travelling over the next few weeks, but I'll keep you posted on developments. 
Cheers
Robert


From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 15:20:51 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:20:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nice...to remember!
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12katwD43o00055c29@hotmail.com>


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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul 23 14:50:48 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:50:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MK II
In-Reply-To: <003a01c47037$f136a920$4e773242@CopyTech>
References: <10de41110e453a.10e453a10de411@vsnl.net>
	<003a01c47037$f136a920$4e773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <410109A8.5010707@bellsouth.net>

Looking forward to the tape very much,
Mike Moore


El Magnifico wrote:

>Fellows: be aware. First batch of Marathon Tape MK II is leaving on
>Saturday. By Wednesday next week you should start receiving it.
>
>Happy Listening !
>
>Carlos
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Fri Jul 23 15:14:52 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:14:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] deck speed q
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040723091128.032d6968@psulias.psu.edu>

I have a Yamaha deck that is slightly slow.  I don't really notice the 
difference on prerecorded tapes, but tapes I make on the Yamaha sound a 
little funny on other decks.  Sound good, but a little fast.  The timer 
usually reads 47 minutes after I play a 45 minute tape, so it's just a bit 
slow.  Any way to adjust this without a pitch control?  Of course tapes 
recorded and played on it sound fine.



From falcrest at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Jul 23 17:36:58 2004
From: falcrest at tiscali.co.uk (Adam Falcrest)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:36:58 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] auto playback azymuth
References: <001401c46b07$275bfea0$bdd34c51@oemcomputer><001401c46b4f$ae1b2720$75ca403e@ORGANISA5B32BA>
	<BAY18-DAV4SZ3Zs3Mpw0002fd22@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c470cd$87664690$f4c8403e@ORGANISA5B32BA>

Hi Alex

I don't know about making you feel good but I can thank your for you message
regarding auto playback azymuth.

I have the Nak DR2 and of course the azymuth is  manual. I have been
planning for years to stick my nearly 1000 cassette tapes onto another
format as I am becoming concerned about audio loss on TDK SA-X tapes over a
period of years due to room temperature variation and age.

I will probably copy my tapes onto a digital format as a backup.This will
probably end up being on mp3 format on dvd discs or something similar. I
haven't decided yet.

Thanks
Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] auto playback azymuth


> Hi Adam!
>
> THAT'S the only Nak. that have such lovely & very effective feature!
> In my particular case, I received as a gift, so always gift is better that
> spell money...!, and during my entire life I begin with Nak in 1964,
changed
> for a better one also Nak. in 1969, during the 70ties and 80 ties cheaper
> ones also Nak. 500 and later 600, among these two Naks. several, other
> brands as Teac, Akai, Nad, and till received my Dragon a Kenwood 5010 one.
> NOW...with the Dragon I can 100% be sure that ALL my recorded cassettes
will
> sound perfectly..., thanks to such "Autoazymuth" playback feature.
>
> Adam continue posting, make us feel good!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:11 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] auto playback azymuth
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > This is my first posting.
> >
> > Could anyone tell me how effective the auto azymuth playback is on the
> > Nakamichi cassette decks?
> >
> >  I am aware the Nakamichi Dragon has this facillity I don't know if
other
> > Nak models have it.
> >
> > I have over 20 years of TDK SA-X cassette tapes which were recorded on a
> > variety of machines and vary in quality of sound. It would be good to
have
> > one good machine that could get the best out of each tape without having
> to
> > alter the azimuth all the time.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Adam
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From anthonyc at smartpractice.co.za  Fri Jul 23 18:12:32 2004
From: anthonyc at smartpractice.co.za (Anthony Calcutt)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:12:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] e-bay is the best!!
In-Reply-To: <20040722174110.GA28907@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <20040723161234.332C52E138D@ctb-mesg2.saix.net>

I just love e-bay, check this out.

Selling a 1000 Tri-Tracer
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5711345209
&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


With the manual he got here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5705989273

And the belts he got here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=5707006034


Could be a good deal, he has saved you two steps already.  Having a 1000
(with no new belts or a manual) I will be watching with interest.

Ant.
(slight sarcasm intended)




From dan.watson at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 23 20:26:01 2004
From: dan.watson at btinternet.com (Daniel Watson)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:26:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Rewinding on a 481...
Message-ID: <ABEJLAENPMKNMKGNPDGGAECICAAA.dan.watson@btinternet.com>

I have just purchased a 481 from eBay, very tidy deck, and sounding
wonderful, my only problem is with the rewind which vibrates very badly and
barely moves the tape. I am assuming this is a slipping belt drive?

Any advise on how hard/easy this is to replace, and has anyone done so
before?

Cheers!

Dan




From dsamuel921 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 23 22:18:28 2004
From: dsamuel921 at comcast.net (dsamuel921 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:18:28 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <072320042018.19861.41017293000E751A00004D952200734830CECDC7040A9A030E9C0B@comcast.net>

Hi everyone

What is stephen sanks email address and phone number.  I have a CR-5A that is in need of service.  I need a idler tire installed and a set of belts.  


Dinesh Samuel
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul 23 22:33:43 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:33:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The Dream dies hard
Message-ID: <41017627.4040803@bellsouth.net>

Not so fast Luis--ITS BACK. It will not go away.
eBay 5711383962
Mike




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 24 21:35:29 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:35:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
In-Reply-To: <410109A8.5010707@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <000001c471b5$60aa2880$d09a4c51@oemcomputer>

So we don't forget, Stephen Sank and ESL are not the only Nak's service
engineers in the USA, excellent as they are in terms of their knowledge,
quality of output (and generosity with advice, much off it off-list.)  I've
not used him (well, I wouldn't be likely to given I live across the pond!)
but there is at least one more amongst our membership - Steve Rudick of
Audiotech.    Perhaps Steve would still be interested in general servicing
rather than refurbishment?  As Steve also gets less mention in these pages,
perhaps he might also be less busy that Stephen!

If there are any other specialist Nakamichi engineers lurking in the side
lines, I suggest you make yourselves known!  Perhaps we might create a World
map of where you all are, with full contact details so members of the List
can know who is closest to them??

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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Sat Jul 24 13:27:59 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:27:59 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
Message-ID: <846C03F4-DD64-11D8-8670-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au>

Hi Tom

Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is 
operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY as per 
manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the main 
board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 manual so I 
am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan still 
about? (He has a 582).

What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).

David



From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Sat Jul 24 14:37:20 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:37:20 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Specs
Message-ID: <344E8184-DD6E-11D8-8670-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au>

Are Nak specifications accessible on this site?

Can anyone tell me the difference between a 582Z and a 582, please?

I can get a 582Z manual for US$10 from 
http://www.electronicsrepair.net/rec8.shtml
Is this source reliable and would it suit my 582 OK?

Thanks

David



From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Jul 24 16:57:41 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:57:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MK II
References: <10de41110e453a.10e453a10de411@vsnl.net><003a01c47037$f136a920$4e773242@CopyTech>
	<410109A8.5010707@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <002101c4718e$92756b80$f7b70642@johnnyrotten>

Tape?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon MK II


> Looking forward to the tape very much,
> Mike Moore
>
>
> El Magnifico wrote:
>
>>Fellows: be aware. First batch of Marathon Tape MK II is leaving on
>>Saturday. By Wednesday next week you should start receiving it.
>>
>>Happy Listening !
>>
>>Carlos
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Jul 24 18:13:18 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:13:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank
References: <072320042018.19861.41017293000E751A00004D952200734830CECDC7040A9A030E9C0B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <012b01c47199$22e5ff90$f7b70642@johnnyrotten>

Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
Talking Dog Transducer Company
http://stephensank.com
5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
505-332-0336
Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer

John T.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dsamuel921 at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 4:18 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank


  Hi everyone



  What is stephen sanks email address and phone number.  I have a CR-5A that is in need of service.  I need a idler tire installed and a set of belts.  





  Dinesh Samuel



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From sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net  Sat Jul 24 20:50:55 2004
From: sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net (Steve Schmidt)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:50:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
References: <BAY18-DAV5OSdb7n9xz00039f48@hotmail.com>
	<40FBCEB9.3050807@georgetown.edu>
Message-ID: <005401c471af$27440080$0200a8c0@down>

If you dont already know or have tried this, you can have Ebay Email contact info for the seller, name and phone number. I have called several sellers and inquired after not getting email replays to purschases I made. Has always got their attention.

Steve
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Cole 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


  I've bought several manuals from Techman and never had a problem.  I'm sure he'll get back to you.

  Mike

  Alex Cozac wrote:

    Dear Nak. Fans!

    As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.

    I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!

    ALEX!
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: aw-confirm at ebay.com 
    To: alexcozac at hotmail.com 
    Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
    Subject: Question from eBay Member


                This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and not through eBay.

               
               
                Message From eBay Member   
               
               
                      
                     If this email is an offer to directly sell you an item without bidding on and winning the item on eBay, please report it to us immediately and do not respond. An offer to sell an item directly to another eBay member through email violates eBay rules. It is also extremely unsafe to purchase an item through this email system regardless of the seller's claims or feedback, as you lose the benefit of eBay's purchase protection programs and risk losing your money.

                      Never pay for your eBay item through instant cash transfer services such as Western Union or MoneyGram. Such services offer Internet shoppers no protection against fraud.  


               
               

                Dear techman777,

                Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you already received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? Please, Mike, be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as soon as possible directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so much for your effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!

                            Please respond to the question on eBay by clicking the button below. 

                              
                     

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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sun Jul 25 00:13:06 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:13:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Specs
Message-ID: <2253e70224dd2a.224dd2a2253e70@vsnl.net>

Hi David
I have multiple PDf files of 582 Service manual from ( Wouter site - I should thank as many times as possible Wouter for that ) Nakftp server. I mailed that to Bal few days back from my Yahoo mail id ( which can handle mail volume running in to 15 Mb). I can forward that to you and you need not spend 10$  on that. I have been bit busy on many different things and find Tom ( who is pretty good in some of the areas of trouble shooting ) had given some suggestions and so I kept quite. I should give others chance too!
 You have to check whether record protection tab on top of the cassette compartment - whether it allows change of mode to allow recording on tapes with record protection tab intact. Also you should check whether bias oscillator is working - possibly orange caps and transistors of bias circuit died as usual?
let me know. And you may have to wait a day to receive the files as I am going out for a day of outdoor camping with my brother' family here in san Jose!
kannan
 
----- Original Message -----
From: David Thompson <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 5:37 am
Subject: [naktalk] Specs

> Are Nak specifications accessible on this site?
> 
> Can anyone tell me the difference between a 582Z and a 582, please?
> 
> I can get a 582Z manual for US$10 from 
> http://www.electronicsrepair.net/rec8.shtml
> Is this source reliable and would it suit my 582 OK?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Sun Jul 25 00:16:14 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:16:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
Message-ID: <224e6422251022.2251022224e642@vsnl.net>

I replied your mail in my other mail - 581 and 582 the difference is in additional tape / source monitor and nothing else. I have a 581 as well here in US and the PCB is same with few components left out comparing to 582!
So the service manual is useful in trouble shooting - check the bias oscillator - possible orange cap failure ?
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: David Thompson <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:27 am
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record

> Hi Tom
> 
> Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is 
> operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY as 
> per 
> manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the 
> main 
> board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 manual 
> so I 
> am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan 
> still 
> about? (He has a 582).
> 
> What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).
> 
> David
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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Sun Jul 25 00:14:34 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WME Drewes)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:14:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
References: <846C03F4-DD64-11D8-8670-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001501c471cb$9ad708a0$e9231ec4@drewescomp>

By The Way  ---the people in America have a lot of clever abreviations.Once
you learn them--a whole new method of communication opens up!
Dont feel ignorant,there are a whole lot more of them.I did not know what
these things were either! Most of them are quite natty!
Walter -out of Africa!


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From: "David Thompson" <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record


> Hi Tom
>
> Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is
> operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY as per
> manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the main
> board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 manual so I
> am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan still
> about? (He has a 582).
>
> What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).
>
> David
>
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 25 01:17:20 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:17:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Specs
In-Reply-To: <2253e70224dd2a.224dd2a2253e70@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c471d4$5e543980$27c44c51@oemcomputer>



> ...... you may have to wait a day to receive the files
> as I am going out for a day of outdoor camping with my brother' > family
here in san Jose!
> kannan
>

Which Nak did you take with you, Kannan?!

Gra'
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From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 25 01:17:21 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:17:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck
In-Reply-To: <2253e70224dd2a.224dd2a2253e70@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c471d4$5f60c780$27c44c51@oemcomputer>


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPageName=ADM
E:B:SS:US:1>

Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.

But this is the bit I like best ....

"This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
consequently in excellent condition.  "

Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ... but
what about those poor unused components?!

Gra'
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 25 07:44:20 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:44:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
References: <BAY18-DAV5OSdb7n9xz00039f48@hotmail.com><40FBCEB9.3050807@georgetown.edu>
	<005401c471af$27440080$0200a8c0@down>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV42ijRzN9E20002dd16@hotmail.com>

Hi Steve,

NO I personally do not contact by other way that to his directly e-mail, as I received from him with his home address, and thanks to a British member that tale the liberty to speak with him, my sent letter was his only reply to more of 5 times that I e-mailing him.
Now I'm waiting for his sent Manual!

I really hope; that I will received!~?

Thanks so much Steve for your help, I will inform you the results!

Regards,

ALEX! 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Schmidt 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 8:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


  If you dont already know or have tried this, you can have Ebay Email contact info for the seller, name and phone number. I have called several sellers and inquired after not getting email replays to purschases I made. Has always got their attention.

  Steve
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Michael Cole 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:38 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


    I've bought several manuals from Techman and never had a problem.  I'm sure he'll get back to you.

    Mike

    Alex Cozac wrote:

      Dear Nak. Fans!

      As you may see at the enclosed mail; I ask 3 times directly to him, and also as you see it trough eBay, and till today 18 of July, Mike Thomason, as he name himself "Techman777", do NOT replay my mails. And he received the $:20.00 in cash for a copy of the Dragon's Service Manual!.

      I'm very...very frustrate + angry! He stolen from me $20.00...Shame!!!

      ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: aw-confirm at ebay.com 
      To: alexcozac at hotmail.com 
      Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
      Subject: Question from eBay Member


                  This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and not through eBay.

                 
                 
                  Message From eBay Member   
                 
                 
                        
                       If this email is an offer to directly sell you an item without bidding on and winning the item on eBay, please report it to us immediately and do not respond. An offer to sell an item directly to another eBay member through email violates eBay rules. It is also extremely unsafe to purchase an item through this email system regardless of the seller's claims or feedback, as you lose the benefit of eBay's purchase protection programs and risk losing your money.

                        Never pay for your eBay item through instant cash transfer services such as Western Union or MoneyGram. Such services offer Internet shoppers no protection against fraud.  


                 
                 

                  Dear techman777,

                  Hello Mike! What Happen?, I sebt the money long time ago!!!, and till today No item, and NO reply from you; IF...?, you already received my registered envelope, with the $: in cash inside? Please, Mike, be as all the American educated gentlemen, replying as soon as possible directly to my e-mail...what really happen? Thanks so much for your effort,and have a nice day! ALEX!

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 25 07:52:04 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:52:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck
References: <001d01c471d4$5f60c780$27c44c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV16YMu2lP4g0005e4ac@hotmail.com>

Hi Graham,

It's near of you? In England, so you can visit him and look by yourself, the
item!
Also...If you use some kind of "Variac"...very slowly turn up the unit and
each day move the "Voltage" knob from "Cero" > 10% each day till you will
obtain at the end the 240 V.AC that is needed in UK. Maybe, (I really
hope...!), that all the Caps/Resistances/Electrolyte, etc...!, will "Reform"
himself very well, and the unit will work flawless!

Good Luck...Graham!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:17 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck


>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPageName=ADM
> E:B:SS:US:1>
>
> Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.
>
> But this is the bit I like best ....
>
> "This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
> consequently in excellent condition.  "
>
> Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ... but
> what about those poor unused components?!
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Jul 25 00:58:23 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:58:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The Dream dies hard
Message-ID: <20040724225823.XLBX6416.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Return of the Nak II
Playing in auctions at a site near you!!


> 
> From: Michael Moore <3ld at bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2004/07/23 Fri PM 04:33:43 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] The Dream dies hard
> 
> Not so fast Luis--ITS BACK. It will not go away.
> eBay 5711383962
> Mike
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From baladur at gmx.net  Sun Jul 25 01:54:08 2004
From: baladur at gmx.net (j.gruber)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:54:08 +0200
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
	Gold Plated Cassette Deck
References: <001d01c471d4$5f60c780$27c44c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001101c471d9$82c27340$7b448450@jpn5r0wpmx2bqe>

Hi  to all you nak-enthusiasts!
Since I´m a "background member" in this forum since a long time ,I say hello
to all members here!!!
Thanks for all your advices here,very helpfull!
I`m going to introduce myself:
I live in bavaria and I´m a nak fan since my youth.
My first deck was a tri-tracer 700-mkI.
Currently I own : lowthers,revox ,yamaha ,thorens units..........
........ and a 1000zxl.

best wishes
jens



My comment to the picture  of the mentioned auction above:
I never saw such a poor photography from a 1000zxl-ltd. !!!! HAHAHA!

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:17 AM
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold
Plated Cassette Deck


>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPageName=ADM
> E:B:SS:US:1>
>
> Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.
>
> But this is the bit I like best ....
>
> "This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
> consequently in excellent condition.  "
>
> Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ... but
> what about those poor unused components?!
>
> Gra'
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From dsamuel921 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 25 06:05:57 2004
From: dsamuel921 at comcast.net (dsamuel921 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 04:05:57 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MK II
Message-ID: <072520040405.28857.410331A5000660BD000070B92200750330CECDC7040A9A030E9C0B@comcast.net>

Hi
is it too late to buy a copy of the marathon MKII tape???

Dinesh Samuel

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Tape? 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net> 
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 8:50 AM 
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon MK II 
> 
> 
> > Looking forward to the tape very much, 
> > Mike Moore 
> > 
> > 
> > El Magnifico wrote: 
> > 
> >>Fellows: be aware. First batch of Marathon Tape MK II is leaving on 
> >>Saturday. By Wednesday next week you should start receiving it. 
> >> 
> >>Happy Listening ! 
> >> 
> >>Carlos 
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Jul 25 01:22:45 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:22:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck
Message-ID: <20040724232243.ZRAJ21435.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Wow, it was new before, not it's 'virtually' unused, no box.

Sounds used to me.


> 
> From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2004/07/24 Sat PM 07:17:21 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck
> 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPageName=ADM
> E:B:SS:US:1>
> 
> Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.
> 
> But this is the bit I like best ....
> 
> "This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
> consequently in excellent condition.  "
> 
> Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ... but
> what about those poor unused components?!
> 
> Gra'
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From nevcooper at g3lmo.com  Sun Jul 25 10:18:51 2004
From: nevcooper at g3lmo.com (Nev Cooper)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:18:51 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] CASSETTE DECK 1.5 - RESALE PRICE?
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I have a 1.5 in super condition.  Very little used.  Can anyone suggest a realistic reserve price for resale please?   Regards 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jul 25 17:06:06 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:06:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck
References: <001d01c471d4$5f60c780$27c44c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003601c47258$e99d5fb0$27773242@CopyTech>

Well Gra', you know and we all know about that "unused" bullshit at ebay.

Carlos

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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:17 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPageName=ADM
E:B:SS:US:1>

Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.

But this is the bit I like best ....

"This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
consequently in excellent condition.  "

Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ... but
what about those poor unused components?!

Gra'
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jul 25 17:08:54 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:08:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon MK II
References: <072520040405.28857.410331A5000660BD000070B92200750330CECDC7040A9A030E9C0B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005e01c47259$4ddf1d60$27773242@CopyTech>

Nope. If you are in the US is $10.00. Europe or other: $20.00 US currency only.

Carlos J Guzman
51 Calle Batey
Luquillo, PR 00773

Thanks !


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dsamuel921 at comcast.net 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon MK II


  Hi

  is it too late to buy a copy of the marathon MKII tape???



  Dinesh Samuel


    -------------- Original message -------------- 

    > Tape? 
    > 
    > ----- Original Message ----- 
    > From: "Michael Moore" <3ld at bellsouth.net> 
    > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
    > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 8:50 AM 
    > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon MK II 
    > 
    > 
    > > Looking forward to the tape very much, 
    > > Mike Moore 
    > > 
    > > 
    > > El Magnifico wrote: 
    > > 
    > >>Fellows: be aware. First batch of Marathon Tape MK II is leaving on 
    > >>Saturday. By Wednesday next week you should start receiving it. 
    > >> 
    > >>Happy Listening ! 
    > >> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jul 25 17:10:39 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:10:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] CASSETTE DECK 1.5 - RESALE PRICE?
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Nev, I'm afraid that your model is not very popular,so, the reserve price must be set low if you really want to sell it. I wouldn't expect more than a few bids for that unit.

Anyway, good luck !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:18 AM
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  I have a 1.5 in super condition.  Very little used.  Can anyone suggest a realistic reserve price for resale please?   Regards 


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jul 25 16:58:23 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:58:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck
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Message-ID: <000701c47257$d51411c0$3a63893e@oemcomputer>

Alex

I'm sure you're right about using the variac but ... I'm not interested in
it at £1k !!   I'll leave it for the guys with Champagne tastes AND the
Champagne money to go with it!!  Even if the caps could be successfully
reformed what about some of the other parts?  Nah, I reckon gold plated or
not, that is one heap of trouble waiting for a Mark!  It's been boxed and
stored, unused, since at least 1987, in an attic.  Apparently, it was
probably never used.  The guy who owned it died 14 years ago and put it into
storage "at least three years prior to his death."


Gra'






> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Alex Cozac
> Sent: 25 July 2004 06:52
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette
> Deck
>
>
> Hi Graham,
>
> It's near of you? In England, so you can visit him and look by
> yourself, the
> item!
> Also...If you use some kind of "Variac"...very slowly turn up the unit and
> each day move the "Voltage" knob from "Cero" > 10% each day till you will
> obtain at the end the 240 V.AC that is needed in UK. Maybe, (I really
> hope...!), that all the Caps/Resistances/Electrolyte, etc...!,
> will "Reform"
> himself very well, and the unit will work flawless!
>
> Good Luck...Graham!
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:17 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck
>
>
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPa
geName=ADM
> E:B:SS:US:1>
>
> Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.
>
> But this is the bit I like best ....
>
> "This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
> consequently in excellent condition.  "
>
> Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ... but
> what about those poor unused components?!
>
> Gra'
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 25 20:13:48 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:13:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck
References: <000701c47257$d51411c0$3a63893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5ldfZWjSeK0000edf6@hotmail.com>

Dear Graham!

I completely agree! Seems me that you know the history of this particularly machine!

Leave this item, to some else!

Cheers,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:58 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck


  Alex

  I'm sure you're right about using the variac but ... I'm not interested in it at £1k !!   I'll leave it for the guys with Champagne tastes AND the Champagne money to go with it!!  Even if the caps could be successfully reformed what about some of the other parts?  Nah, I reckon gold plated or not, that is one heap of trouble waiting for a Mark!  It's been boxed and stored, unused, since at least 1987, in an attic.  Apparently, it was probably never used.  The guy who owned it died 14 years ago and put it into storage "at least three years prior to his death."


  Gra'






  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
  > Behalf Of Alex Cozac
  > Sent: 25 July 2004 06:52
  > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette
  > Deck
  >
  >
  > Hi Graham,
  >
  > It's near of you? In England, so you can visit him and look by
  > yourself, the
  > item!
  > Also...If you use some kind of "Variac"...very slowly turn up the unit and
  > each day move the "Voltage" knob from "Cero" > 10% each day till you will
  > obtain at the end the 240 V.AC that is needed in UK. Maybe, (I really
  > hope...!), that all the Caps/Resistances/Electrolyte, etc...!,
  > will "Reform"
  > himself very well, and the unit will work flawless!
  >
  > Good Luck...Graham!
  >
  > ALEX!
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
  > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
  > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:17 AM
  > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold Plated Cassette Deck
  >
  >
  > >
  > >
  > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPa
  geName=ADM
  > E:B:SS:US:1>
  >
  > Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.
  >
  > But this is the bit I like best ....
  >
  > "This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
  > consequently in excellent condition.  "
  >
  > Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ... but
  > what about those poor unused components?!
  >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Jul 25 23:46:53 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:46:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: headphone amp question
In-Reply-To: naktalk-request@naks.com's message of Sun, 25 Jul 2004
	00:19:39 +0200
Message-ID: <19630-41042A4D-3164@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net>

hi fellows, I have an off topic question i am trying to get an answer
for.Is it possible to use a small low powered tube integrated amp as a
headphone amp by plugging the headphones into the external speaker jack
and using
a step down of some type?I'm 99.9 %  certain that this is a harebrain
idea,however i thought i would make absolutely certain before i dismiss
the it altogether.    

thank you very much,
gerald



From gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 26 01:04:34 2004
From: gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Gimli)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:04:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: headphone amp question
In-Reply-To: <19630-41042A4D-3164@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <004e01c4729b$c014c320$be6d893e@oemcomputer>

Gerald

You used to be able to by a Moth headphone adapter that plugged directly
into the speaker o/p of your amp.  I have one.  I hitched it up with a
two-way speaker switch so I can switch out the speakers from the Quads and
just use the headphones.  The Moth adapters come up on eBay occasionally for
about $30 - worth every cent and more because they're totally passive.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 25 July 2004 22:47
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: headphone amp question
>
>
> hi fellows, I have an off topic question i am trying to get an answer
> for.Is it possible to use a small low powered tube integrated amp as a
> headphone amp by plugging the headphones into the external speaker jack
> and using
> a step down of some type?I'm 99.9 %  certain that this is a harebrain
> idea,however i thought i would make absolutely certain before i dismiss
> the it altogether.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 26 01:07:56 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:07:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
In-Reply-To: <072520042255.26800.41043A7D000E9E30000068B02200750784010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c4729c$389e9c80$be6d893e@oemcomputer>

Of particular interest to some folk will be the estimated 2 week turnaround!
If they even doubled it, it'd still be quick by some engineers standards ...
:o)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: paulkoo at comcast.net [mailto:paulkoo at comcast.net]
> Sent: 25 July 2004 23:56
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
> Decks
> Cc: Nelson
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
>
>
> Check this web site.
>
> http://www.libermansound.com/support/contactus.htm
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> > So we don't forget, Stephen Sank and ESL are not the only Nak's service
> > engineers in the USA, excellent as they are in terms of their knowledge,
> > quality of output (and generosity with advice, much off it
> off-list.)  I've
> > not used him (well, I wouldn't be likely to given I live across
> the pond!)
> > but there is at least one more amongst our membership - Steve Rudick of
> > Audiotech.    Perhaps Steve would still be interested in
> general servicing
> > rather than refurbishment?  As Steve also gets less mention in
> these pages,
> > perhaps he might also be less busy that Stephen!
> >
> > If there are any other specialist Nakamichi engineers lurking
> in the side
> > lines, I suggest you make yourselves known!  Perhaps we might
> create a World
> > map of where you all are, with full contact details so members
> of the List
> > can know who is closest to them??
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Mon Jul 26 02:08:32 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:08:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CASSETTE DECK 1.5 - RESALE PRICE?
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040725200816.0230aec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 04:18 2004/07/25, you wrote:
>I have a 1.5 in super condition.  Very little used.  Can anyone suggest a 
>realistic reserve price for resale please?   Regards

Price should be in the range of what you can get for DR-2 (same, except for 
cosmetics), CR-3 (very similar) or BX-300 (a bit better but older), 
whatever this amounts to.




From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Jul 26 02:50:29 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:50:29 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D613@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

This is true, I too have done the same with positive results.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Schmidt [mailto:sschmidt.gcserv at comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, 25 July 2004 4:51 
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Question from eBay Member


If you dont already know or have tried this, you can have Ebay Email contact
info for the seller, name and phone number. I have called several sellers
and inquired after not getting email replays to purschases I made. Has
always got their attention.
 
Steve

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Jul 26 02:51:42 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:51:42 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D614@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Aussie ignorance? BTW stands for by the way

	Regards from Aussie Tom :)

-----Original Message-----
From: David Thompson [mailto:wontulp at zoomnet.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2004 9:28 
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record


Hi Tom

Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is 
operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY as per 
manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the main 
board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 manual so I 
am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan still 
about? (He has a 582).

What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).

David

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Jul 26 08:25:15 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:25:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CASSETTE DECK 1.5 - RESALE PRICE?
Message-ID: <s104bffd.032@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Nakamichi's in "super condition" deserve decent prices.  They are
getting harder to maintain in pristine condition despite the fact that
the Cassette Deck series were not as popular as they were previously.  

One has to remember also, when they came out, DCC and Minidisc also
came out and people were hanging in to see what would happen and which
format would prevail.

I have a Cassette Deck One and it's superb - I would give it up for
anything.  A 1.5 is the same deck with the PB azimuth control.  I'd say
US$150.00 minimum and see what happens.  Do a buy it now for $200.00.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> marcdenis at iquebec.com 07/26/04 02:08AM >>>
At 04:18 2004/07/25, you wrote:
>I have a 1.5 in super condition.  Very little used.  Can anyone
suggest a 
>realistic reserve price for resale please?   Regards

Price should be in the range of what you can get for DR-2 (same, except
for 
cosmetics), CR-3 (very similar) or BX-300 (a bit better but older), 
whatever this amounts to.


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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Jul 25 17:46:08 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:46:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] It's BAAAAAAAAAACCCCCKKKK!!!!
Message-ID: <20040725154608.LFJK15342.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Hail CR-7A, long live the Nak!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5711383962&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Roland



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Jul 25 17:49:44 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:49:44 -0400
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
Message-ID: <20040725154942.EACS9340.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Hi Jens and welcome!!

When you mention Thorens, are you talking cassette decks?


> 
> From: "j.gruber" <baladur at gmx.net>
> Date: 2004/07/24 Sat PM 07:54:08 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
> 	Gold Plated Cassette Deck
> 
> Hi  to all you nak-enthusiasts!
> Since I´m a "background member" in this forum since a long time ,I say hello
> to all members here!!!
> Thanks for all your advices here,very helpfull!
> I`m going to introduce myself:
> I live in bavaria and I´m a nak fan since my youth.
> My first deck was a tri-tracer 700-mkI.
> Currently I own : lowthers,revox ,yamaha ,thorens units..........
> ........ and a 1000zxl.
> 
> best wishes
> jens
> 
> 
> 
> My comment to the picture  of the mentioned auction above:
> I never saw such a poor photography from a 1000zxl-ltd. !!!! HAHAHA!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:17 AM
> Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Gold
> Plated Cassette Deck
> 
> 
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPageName=ADM
> > E:B:SS:US:1>
> >
> > Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.
> >
> > But this is the bit I like best ....
> >
> > "This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
> > consequently in excellent condition.  "
> >
> > Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ... but
> > what about those poor unused components?!
> >
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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Mon Jul 26 00:55:58 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:55:58 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
Message-ID: <072520042255.26800.41043A7D000E9E30000068B02200750784010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

Check this web site.

http://www.libermansound.com/support/contactus.htm

Paul



> So we don't forget, Stephen Sank and ESL are not the only Nak's service
> engineers in the USA, excellent as they are in terms of their knowledge,
> quality of output (and generosity with advice, much off it off-list.)  I've
> not used him (well, I wouldn't be likely to given I live across the pond!)
> but there is at least one more amongst our membership - Steve Rudick of
> Audiotech.    Perhaps Steve would still be interested in general servicing
> rather than refurbishment?  As Steve also gets less mention in these pages,
> perhaps he might also be less busy that Stephen!
> 
> If there are any other specialist Nakamichi engineers lurking in the side
> lines, I suggest you make yourselves known!  Perhaps we might create a World
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Mon Jul 26 01:22:21 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:22:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
In-Reply-To: <004f01c4729c$389e9c80$be6d893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOEMCCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Per below, it is interesting that they reapair most of Nakamichi gear with
an explicit exception of TA2, TA3, and TA4 receivers as deemed "poorly
constructed and not cost effective to repair". Same for 250, 350, 500, 550,
700, 1000 tape decks("parts no longer available, time consuming to repair")

http://www.libermansound.com/equipment/index.htm

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Nelson
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:08 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers


Of particular interest to some folk will be the estimated 2 week turnaround!
If they even doubled it, it'd still be quick by some engineers standards ...
:o)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: paulkoo at comcast.net [mailto:paulkoo at comcast.net]
> Sent: 25 July 2004 23:56
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
> Decks
> Cc: Nelson
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
>
>
> Check this web site.
>
> http://www.libermansound.com/support/contactus.htm
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> > So we don't forget, Stephen Sank and ESL are not the only Nak's service
> > engineers in the USA, excellent as they are in terms of their knowledge,
> > quality of output (and generosity with advice, much off it
> off-list.)  I've
> > not used him (well, I wouldn't be likely to given I live across
> the pond!)
> > but there is at least one more amongst our membership - Steve Rudick of
> > Audiotech.    Perhaps Steve would still be interested in
> general servicing
> > rather than refurbishment?  As Steve also gets less mention in
> these pages,
> > perhaps he might also be less busy that Stephen!
> >
> > If there are any other specialist Nakamichi engineers lurking
> in the side
> > lines, I suggest you make yourselves known!  Perhaps we might
> create a World
> > map of where you all are, with full contact details so members
> of the List
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 26 06:24:01 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:24:01 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
Message-ID: <BAY2-F24UXnT33mH9ex000143bf@hotmail.com>

How bad can the Aussies be....they produced Olivia Newton-John!


>From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] More 582 no record
>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:51:42 +1000
>
>Aussie ignorance? BTW stands for by the way
>
>	Regards from Aussie Tom :)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Thompson [mailto:wontulp at zoomnet.com.au]
>Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2004 9:28
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
>
>
>Hi Tom
>
>Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is
>operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY as per
>manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the main
>board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 manual so I
>am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan still
>about? (He has a 582).
>
>What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).
>
>David
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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 26 09:47:32 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:47:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps in mobile units?
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV7bGElKsewk0008c968@hotmail.com>

Hello all,
I had to open yesterday my "desktop" TD400D. There were some stupid problem with the cassette-loading mechanism, but I succeeded.

While doing this job, I found some "orange caps" on the lower PCB.

Is any of the "orange cap disease" known in the case of mobile (car)Naks? Do I have to be afraid of them?

Sorry for emerging this over-discussed orange-caps again... but I haven't found any comments about them in the case of mobile units.

Thank you for your answers and comments.

Best regards,
István Sándor
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 26 11:16:13 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:16:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOEMCCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV1y9tMTF4ia0006436f@hotmail.com>

Dear Stan,

Maybe...I think, he is honest...! Why to spell his time, looking forward for
spare parts that it's impossible to obtain?

Think about!!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 1:22 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers


> Per below, it is interesting that they reapair most of Nakamichi gear with
> an explicit exception of TA2, TA3, and TA4 receivers as deemed "poorly
> constructed and not cost effective to repair". Same for 250, 350, 500,
550,
> 700, 1000 tape decks("parts no longer available, time consuming to
repair")
>
> http://www.libermansound.com/equipment/index.htm
>
> Stan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Nelson
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:08 PM
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
>
>
> Of particular interest to some folk will be the estimated 2 week
turnaround!
> If they even doubled it, it'd still be quick by some engineers standards
..
> :o)
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: paulkoo at comcast.net [mailto:paulkoo at comcast.net]
> > Sent: 25 July 2004 23:56
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
> > Decks
> > Cc: Nelson
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
> >
> >
> > Check this web site.
> >
> > http://www.libermansound.com/support/contactus.htm
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > > So we don't forget, Stephen Sank and ESL are not the only Nak's
service
> > > engineers in the USA, excellent as they are in terms of their
knowledge,
> > > quality of output (and generosity with advice, much off it
> > off-list.)  I've
> > > not used him (well, I wouldn't be likely to given I live across
> > the pond!)
> > > but there is at least one more amongst our membership - Steve Rudick
of
> > > Audiotech.    Perhaps Steve would still be interested in
> > general servicing
> > > rather than refurbishment?  As Steve also gets less mention in
> > these pages,
> > > perhaps he might also be less busy that Stephen!
> > >
> > > If there are any other specialist Nakamichi engineers lurking
> > in the side
> > > lines, I suggest you make yourselves known!  Perhaps we might
> > create a World
> > > map of where you all are, with full contact details so members
> > of the List
> > > can know who is closest to them??
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Jul 26 10:24:50 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:24:50 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Specs
References: <2253e70224dd2a.224dd2a2253e70@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <014301c472ea$05c33750$1010a8c0@tg>

Hi Kanna,

I'll also be very pleased to have the manual for my 582Z; either I can
download it from the adress you'll provide or you can directly send it to my
below email with unlimited storage capacity....

t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr

Thanks and best regards,
Tayfur


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Specs


> Hi David
> I have multiple PDf files of 582 Service manual from ( Wouter site - I
should thank as many times as possible Wouter for that ) Nakftp server. I
mailed that to Bal few days back from my Yahoo mail id ( which can handle
mail volume running in to 15 Mb). I can forward that to you and you need not
spend 10$  on that. I have been bit busy on many different things and find
Tom ( who is pretty good in some of the areas of trouble shooting ) had
given some suggestions and so I kept quite. I should give others chance too!
>  You have to check whether record protection tab on top of the cassette
compartment - whether it allows change of mode to allow recording on tapes
with record protection tab intact. Also you should check whether bias
oscillator is working - possibly orange caps and transistors of bias circuit
died as usual?
> let me know. And you may have to wait a day to receive the files as I am
going out for a day of outdoor camping with my brother' family here in san
Jose!
> kannan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Thompson <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 5:37 am
> Subject: [naktalk] Specs
>
> > Are Nak specifications accessible on this site?
> >
> > Can anyone tell me the difference between a 582Z and a 582, please?
> >
> > I can get a 582Z manual for US$10 from
> > http://www.electronicsrepair.net/rec8.shtml
> > Is this source reliable and would it suit my 582 OK?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 26 12:27:10 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:27:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] It's BAAAAAAAAAACCCCCKKKK!!!!
Message-ID: <BAY2-F258408qnN0aCs00014314@hotmail.com>

This guy should "don" a rubber before he plays with himself, and his CR-7!

Neil


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>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] It's BAAAAAAAAAACCCCCKKKK!!!!
>Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:46:08 -0400
>
>Hail CR-7A, long live the Nak!!
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5711383962&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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From baladur at gmx.net  Mon Jul 26 13:20:55 2004
From: baladur at gmx.net (j.gruber)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:20:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
References: <20040725154942.EACS9340.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c47302$9f0796a0$aa4d8450@jpn5r0wpmx2bqe>

Thanks for the warm welcome!
I meant the record player.
I had once a thorens-tape deck but gave it to a good friend.
it`s still working.

Regards
Jens




----- Original Message -----
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 5:49 PM
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk]
Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited


> Hi Jens and welcome!!
>
> When you mention Thorens, are you talking cassette decks?
>
>
> >
> > From: "j.gruber" <baladur at gmx.net>
> > Date: 2004/07/24 Sat PM 07:54:08 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL
Limited
> > Gold Plated Cassette Deck
> >
> > Hi  to all you nak-enthusiasts!
> > Since I´m a "background member" in this forum since a long time ,I say
hello
> > to all members here!!!
> > Thanks for all your advices here,very helpfull!
> > I`m going to introduce myself:
> > I live in bavaria and I´m a nak fan since my youth.
> > My first deck was a tri-tracer 700-mkI.
> > Currently I own : lowthers,revox ,yamaha ,thorens units..........
> > ........ and a 1000zxl.
> >
> > best wishes
> > jens
> >
> >
> >
> > My comment to the picture  of the mentioned auction above:
> > I never saw such a poor photography from a 1000zxl-ltd. !!!! HAHAHA!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:17 AM
> > Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
Gold
> > Plated Cassette Deck
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPageName=ADM
> > > E:B:SS:US:1>
> > >
> > > Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.
> > >
> > > But this is the bit I like best ....
> > >
> > > "This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
> > > consequently in excellent condition.  "
> > >
> > > Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ...
but
> > > what about those poor unused components?!
> > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 26 21:57:05 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:57:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F24UXnT33mH9ex000143bf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c4734a$b9e233c0$6a804c51@oemcomputer>

Wouldn't mind producing WITH Oliver Nutron Bomb ... but don't tell my wife.

Grinham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: 26 July 2004 05:24
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] More 582 no record
>
>
> How bad can the Aussies be....they produced Olivia Newton-John!
>
>
> >From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:51:42 +1000
> >
> >Aussie ignorance? BTW stands for by the way
> >
> >	Regards from Aussie Tom :)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: David Thompson [mailto:wontulp at zoomnet.com.au]
> >Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2004 9:28
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> >
> >
> >Hi Tom
> >
> >Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is
> >operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY as per
> >manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the main
> >board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 manual so I
> >am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan still
> >about? (He has a 582).
> >
> >What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).
> >
> >David
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Jul 26 22:30:38 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:30:38 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
Message-ID: <236bc032372f74.2372f74236bc03@vsnl.net>

 gra I concur with you on this ( Grease is still fresh in memory ) 
kannan

----- Original Message -----
From: Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:57 pm
Subject: RE: [naktalk] More 582 no record

> Wouldn't mind producing WITH Oliver Nutron Bomb ... but don't tell 
> my wife.
> 
> Grinham
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of neil lipes
> > Sent: 26 July 2004 05:24
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> >
> >
> > How bad can the Aussies be....they produced Olivia Newton-John!
> >
> >
> > >From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> > >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:51:42 +1000
> > >
> > >Aussie ignorance? BTW stands for by the way
> > >
> > >	Regards from Aussie Tom :)
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: David Thompson [wontulp at zoomnet.com.au]
> > >Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2004 9:28
> > >To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Tom
> > >
> > >Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is
> > >operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY 
> as per
> > >manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the main
> > >board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 
> manual so I
> > >am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan still
> > >about? (He has a 582).
> > >
> > >What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).
> > >
> > >David
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Mon Jul 26 14:17:07 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 8:17:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
Message-ID: <20040726121707.QTPS21435.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Jen, it is quite fine, I never knew Thorens produced a cassette deck.

I just love hearing about audio equipment.  I love my CR-7A so much I wish I could justify another one for a spare.

I had a couple of Thorens 166's, but they were bought and sold for strictly profit.

Welcome Jen!!


> 
> From: "j.gruber" <baladur at gmx.net>
> Date: 2004/07/26 Mon AM 07:20:55 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
> 
> Thanks for the warm welcome!
> I meant the record player.
> I had once a thorens-tape deck but gave it to a good friend.
> it`s still working.
> 
> Regards
> Jens
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 5:49 PM
> Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk]
> Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
> 
> 
> > Hi Jens and welcome!!
> >
> > When you mention Thorens, are you talking cassette decks?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: "j.gruber" <baladur at gmx.net>
> > > Date: 2004/07/24 Sat PM 07:54:08 EDT
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Subject: Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL
> Limited
> > > Gold Plated Cassette Deck
> > >
> > > Hi  to all you nak-enthusiasts!
> > > Since I´m a "background member" in this forum since a long time ,I say
> hello
> > > to all members here!!!
> > > Thanks for all your advices here,very helpfull!
> > > I`m going to introduce myself:
> > > I live in bavaria and I´m a nak fan since my youth.
> > > My first deck was a tri-tracer 700-mkI.
> > > Currently I own : lowthers,revox ,yamaha ,thorens units..........
> > > ........ and a 1000zxl.
> > >
> > > best wishes
> > > jens
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My comment to the picture  of the mentioned auction above:
> > > I never saw such a poor photography from a 1000zxl-ltd. !!!! HAHAHA!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gimli" <gimli at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:17 AM
> > > Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
> Gold
> > > Plated Cassette Deck
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711632789&ssPageName=ADM
> > > > E:B:SS:US:1>
> > > >
> > > > Starting price £1,000 and that's NOT the reserve.
> > > >
> > > > But this is the bit I like best ....
> > > >
> > > > "This very rare collectable cassette deck is virtually unused and is
> > > > consequently in excellent condition.  "
> > > >
> > > > Umm ... unused and in excellent condition?  Cosmetically, may be ...
> but
> > > > what about those poor unused components?!
> > > >
> > > > Gra'
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Mon Jul 26 14:17:46 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:17:46 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps in mobile units?
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-DAV7bGElKsewk0008c968@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY22-DAV7bGElKsewk0008c968@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD922A5B-DEFD-11D8-AA06-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au>

I know about the orange cap problem too, but what kind? Is it  
electrolytic caps or PP caps or both?

David

On 26/07/2004, at 5:47 PM, Sándor István wrote:

> Hello all,
> I had to open yesterday my "desktop" TD400D. There were some stupid  
> problem with the cassette-loading mechanism, but I succeeded.
>  
> While doing this job, I found some "orange caps" on the lower PCB.
>  
> Is any of the "orange cap disease" known in the case of mobile  
> (car)Naks? Do I have to be afraid of them?
>  
> Sorry for emerging this over-discussed orange-caps again... but I  
> haven't found any comments about them in the case of mobile units.
>  
> Thank you for your answers and comments.
>  
> Best regards,
> István Sándor
>  
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From josephj69 at juno.com  Mon Jul 26 22:08:33 2004
From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:08:33 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: need SR-2A receiver manual
Message-ID: <20040726.130921.22523.87719@webmail16.lax.untd.com>


Hey guys, 

Just a quick question.  Would anyone know where I could download or get a copy of the owner's manual for the SR-2A receiver?  Any help/leads greatly appreciated.  

Thanks, 
Joe



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From ti at amb.org  Tue Jul 27 09:32:29 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Orange caps in mobile units?
In-Reply-To: <CD922A5B-DEFD-11D8-AA06-00039393FF42@zoomnet.com.au> from "David
	Thompson" at Jul 26, 2004 10:17:46 PM
Message-ID: <200407270732.HAA18693@amb.org>

David Thompson writes:
> I know about the orange cap problem too, but what kind? Is it =20
> electrolytic caps or PP caps or both?

The original orange caps that developed problems on some home Nakamichi
decks were, I believe, polyester (mylar) film type.  I don't know whether
any Nakamichi car stereos were affected by these.  Not all orange colored
capacitors were necessarily bad.

-Ti
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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Wed Jul 28 00:23:16 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:23:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
Message-ID: <072720042223.1515.4106D5D3000E0144000005EB2200734830010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

My experience with him was more like a month to troubleshoot a CR7A that did not run.  It took another 3 week for calibration and service.  So, the two weeks are too optimistic.  However, the CR7A is running fine.  If you look at his academic preparation and his list of clients, he is very competent at what he does.

Paul


> Of particular interest to some folk will be the estimated 2 week turnaround!
> If they even doubled it, it'd still be quick by some engineers standards ...
> :o)
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: paulkoo at comcast.net [mailto:paulkoo at comcast.net]
> > Sent: 25 July 2004 23:56
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette
> > Decks
> > Cc: Nelson
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Engineers
> >
> >
> > Check this web site.
> >
> > http://www.libermansound.com/support/contactus.htm
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > > So we don't forget, Stephen Sank and ESL are not the only Nak's service
> > > engineers in the USA, excellent as they are in terms of their knowledge,
> > > quality of output (and generosity with advice, much off it
> > off-list.)  I've
> > > not used him (well, I wouldn't be likely to given I live across
> > the pond!)
> > > but there is at least one more amongst our membership - Steve Rudick of
> > > Audiotech.    Perhaps Steve would still be interested in
> > general servicing
> > > rather than refurbishment?  As Steve also gets less mention in
> > these pages,
> > > perhaps he might also be less busy that Stephen!
> > >
> > > If there are any other specialist Nakamichi engineers lurking
> > in the side
> > > lines, I suggest you make yourselves known!  Perhaps we might
> > create a World
> > > map of where you all are, with full contact details so members
> > of the List
> > > can know who is closest to them??
> > >
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Wed Jul 28 01:00:53 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:00:53 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
In-Reply-To: <224e6422251022.2251022224e642@vsnl.net>
References: <224e6422251022.2251022224e642@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <p06010200bd2c8e013d27@[192.168.0.7]>

Kannan

You were right on the bias oscillator! After replacing two ICs and 
two orange caps, it now records (although test voltages don't show as 
per 581 circuit). So many thanks for the pointer. I will be grateful 
to receive the circuit diagrams when you have a chance. I am curious 
to see how the record/play switch is set up instead of the mechanical 
switch as on 581. Also curious to know the difference in a 582Z.

David

>I replied your mail in my other mail - 581 and 582 the difference is 
>in additional tape / source monitor and nothing else. I have a 581 
>as well here in US and the PCB is same with few components left out 
>comparing to 582!
>So the service manual is useful in trouble shooting - check the bias 
>oscillator - possible orange cap failure ?
>kannan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Thompson <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
>Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:27 am
>Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
>
>>  Hi Tom
>>
>>  Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is
>>  operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY as
>>  per
>>  manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the
>>  main
>>  board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 manual
>>  so I
>>  am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan
>>  still
>>  about? (He has a 582).
>>
>>  What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).
>>
>>  David
>>
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Jul 28 21:10:34 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:10:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
Message-ID: <16fba616ddab.16ddab16fba6@vsnl.net>

Hi David 
the two transistors in the bias Oscillator( no ICs in that) coupled to the caps are required to have same gain ( and higher gain as well) for proper Oscillator working. If you have DMM with transistor check - you can sort two transistors having nearly equal gain, then there is a good chance for the Oscillator to get back to normal working. Also check the two power resistors in the supply line ( 67Ohm/ 33 Ohm - 2 watt I think) may have a problem, check that as well. Can I send the service manual PDf in this email id ? totally it will be 12-14 MB in size.
wish you all luck
kannan
PS 582 Z is having Dolby C and LED meter instead of Analog meter. Those are the only differences.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Thompson <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] More 582 no record

> Kannan
> 
> You were right on the bias oscillator! After replacing two ICs and 
> two orange caps, it now records (although test voltages don't show 
> as 
> per 581 circuit). So many thanks for the pointer. I will be 
> grateful 
> to receive the circuit diagrams when you have a chance. I am 
> curious 
> to see how the record/play switch is set up instead of the 
> mechanical 
> switch as on 581. Also curious to know the difference in a 582Z.
> 
> David
> 
> >I replied your mail in my other mail - 581 and 582 the difference 
> is 
> >in additional tape / source monitor and nothing else. I have a 
> 581 
> >as well here in US and the PCB is same with few components left 
> out 
> >comparing to 582!
> >So the service manual is useful in trouble shooting - check the 
> bias 
> >oscillator - possible orange cap failure ?
> >kannan
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: David Thompson <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
> >Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:27 am
> >Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> >
> >>  Hi Tom
> >>
> >>  Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is
> >>  operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY as
> >>  per
> >>  manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the
> >>  main
> >>  board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 manual
> >>  so I
> >>  am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan
> >>  still
> >>  about? (He has a 582).
> >>
> >>  What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).
> >>
> >>  David
> >>
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Jul 28 20:08:21 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:08:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV1y9tMTF4ia0006436f@hotmail.com>
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOEMCCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728140236.0263d900@psulias.psu.edu>

Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback azimuth 
control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback from 
non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a Yamaha 
HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased with 
the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have a 
CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still makes 
nice recordings.

Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me, 
that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the cheap on 
ebay.



From jmo at sireconnect.de  Wed Jul 28 20:56:17 2004
From: jmo at sireconnect.de (jo)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:56:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
In-Reply-To: <p06010200bd2c8e013d27@[192.168.0.7]>
References: <224e6422251022.2251022224e642@vsnl.net>
	<224e6422251022.2251022224e642@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040728205617.015ec680@mail.sireconnect.de>

At 09:00 28.07.2004 +1000, David Thompson wrote:
>per 581 circuit). So many thanks for the pointer. I will be grateful 
>to receive the circuit diagrams when you have a chance. I am curious 
>to see how the record/play switch is set up instead of the mechanical 
>switch as on 581. Also curious to know the difference in a 582Z.

I have a 582 service manual Kannan was so kind to provide me with.
I could send that to you. Rather big, 15 Mb all in all.

If you ever come across a manual (user, service) of an LX-3 or LX-5, I'd be
glad if you could let me have that. Had some promises, but none came along.

Best regards, jo


From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Thu Jul 29 02:08:47 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:08:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728140236.0263d900@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOEMCCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040728140236.0263d900@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040728200632.02604640@pop.iquebec.com>

At 14:08 2004/07/28, you wrote:
>Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback azimuth 
>control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback from 
>non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a Yamaha 
>HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased with 
>the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have a 
>CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still makes 
>nice recordings.
>
>Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me, 
>that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the cheap 
>on ebay.

Only two other decks feature user adjustable playback azimuth: Cassette 
Deck 1 and DR-1. Except for cosmetics, they are essentially the same.

Cheers,

-Marc




From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Jul 29 06:28:09 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:28:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re;Pia Zadora sings with the London Philharmonic.
Message-ID: <20122-41087CD9-1422@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>

I just got the chance to listen to the tape of the PIa Zadora Concert.
In all fairness,the lady had a set of pipes! It seems she was stuck in
this constant -i don't know.."urgent whisper " mode.Anyhow, it left me
wondering-which is better-Pia's movie"Santa Clause conquers the
martians" or this tape....

thank you very much,
gerald

thank you very much,
gerald



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Jul 28 23:36:18 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:36:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
Message-ID: <20040728213616.JEJ29398.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

I had a BX-300 and it was NOT a king for pre-recorded tapes.  It did do quite a nice job recording though.  Cheaply made.


> 
> From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> Date: 2004/07/28 Wed PM 02:08:21 EDT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
> 
> Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback azimuth 
> control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback from 
> non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a Yamaha 
> HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased with 
> the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have a 
> CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still makes 
> nice recordings.
> 
> Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me, 
> that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the cheap on 
> ebay.
> 
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> 

Roland



From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Thu Jul 29 00:51:27 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:51:27 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
In-Reply-To: <16fba616ddab.16ddab16fba6@vsnl.net>
References: <16fba616ddab.16ddab16fba6@vsnl.net>
Message-ID: <p06010201bd2dde02ac2c@[192.168.0.7]>

Kannan

All seems OK since replacing the two transistors and orange caps. 
This email is OK for the pdf. I can download on broadband at work. 
Many thanks
David

>Hi David
>the two transistors in the bias Oscillator( no ICs in that) coupled 
>to the caps are required to have same gain ( and higher gain as 
>well) for proper Oscillator working. If you have DMM with transistor 
>check - you can sort two transistors having nearly equal gain, then 
>there is a good chance for the Oscillator to get back to normal 
>working. Also check the two power resistors in the supply line ( 
>67Ohm/ 33 Ohm - 2 watt I think) may have a problem, check that as 
>well. Can I send the service manual PDf in this email id ? totally 
>it will be 12-14 MB in size.
>wish you all luck
>kannan
>PS 582 Z is having Dolby C and LED meter instead of Analog meter. 
>Those are the only differences.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Thompson <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
>Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:00 pm
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] More 582 no record
>
>>  Kannan
>>
>>  You were right on the bias oscillator! After replacing two ICs and
>>  two orange caps, it now records (although test voltages don't show
>>  as
>>  per 581 circuit). So many thanks for the pointer. I will be
>>  grateful
>>  to receive the circuit diagrams when you have a chance. I am
>>  curious
>>  to see how the record/play switch is set up instead of the
>>  mechanical
>>  switch as on 581. Also curious to know the difference in a 582Z.
>>
>>  David
>>
>>  >I replied your mail in my other mail - 581 and 582 the difference
>>  is
>>  >in additional tape / source monitor and nothing else. I have a
>>  581
>>  >as well here in US and the PCB is same with few components left
>>  out
>>  >comparing to 582!
>>  >So the service manual is useful in trouble shooting - check the
>>  bias
>>  >oscillator - possible orange cap failure ?
>>  >kannan
>>  >
>>  >----- Original Message -----
>>  >From: David Thompson <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
>>  >Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:27 am
>>  >Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
>>  >
>>  >>  Hi Tom
>>  >>
>>  >>  Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the cam is
>>  >>  operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to PY as
>>  >>  per
>>  >>  manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on the
>>  >>  main
>>  >>  board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581 manual
>>  >>  so I
>>  >>  am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is Kannan
>>  >>  still
>>  >>  about? (He has a 582).
>>  >>
>>  >>  What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).
>>  >>
>>  >>  David
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Thu Jul 29 00:54:56 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:54:56 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040728205617.015ec680@mail.sireconnect.de>
References: <224e6422251022.2251022224e642@vsnl.net>
	<224e6422251022.2251022224e642@vsnl.net>
	<3.0.6.32.20040728205617.015ec680@mail.sireconnect.de>
Message-ID: <p06010202bd2dded9de72@[192.168.0.7]>

Thanks for your thought, but Kannan has a manual on the way.

I would also like a manual for an LX-3!

David

>At 09:00 28.07.2004 +1000, David Thompson wrote:
>>per 581 circuit). So many thanks for the pointer. I will be grateful
>>to receive the circuit diagrams when you have a chance. I am curious
>>to see how the record/play switch is set up instead of the mechanical
>>switch as on 581. Also curious to know the difference in a 582Z.
>
>I have a 582 service manual Kannan was so kind to provide me with.
>I could send that to you. Rather big, 15 Mb all in all.
>
>If you ever come across a manual (user, service) of an LX-3 or LX-5, I'd be
>glad if you could let me have that. Had some promises, but none came along.
>
>Best regards, jo
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Thu Jul 29 03:18:34 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:18:34 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040728200632.02604640@pop.iquebec.com>
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOEMCCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040728140236.0263d900@psulias.psu.edu>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040728200632.02604640@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <p06010204bd2e00a9cb59@[192.168.0.7]>

KOTH looks like another Americanism - King Of The Hits???

Aussie David

>At 14:08 2004/07/28, you wrote:
>>Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback 
>>azimuth control, but which lower priced decks were the best at 
>>playback from non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of 
>>recording with a Yamaha HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias 
>>(thingy) and have been pleased with the results. Am considering 
>>using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have a CR-2, which really 
>>doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still makes nice 
>>recordings.
>>
>>Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to 
>>me, that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on 
>>the cheap on ebay.
>
>Only two other decks feature user adjustable playback azimuth: 
>Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1. Except for cosmetics, they are essentially 
>the same.
>
>Cheers,
>
>-Marc
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Jul 29 06:36:14 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 0:36:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re;Pia Zadora sings with the London Philharmonic.
Message-ID: <20040729043614.FPLG29398.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Oh geesh, I thought I was the only one to see her Christmas movie.  Yikes, are you damaged for life too?


> 
> From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> Date: 2004/07/29 Thu AM 12:28:09 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re;Pia Zadora sings with the London Philharmonic.
> 
> I just got the chance to listen to the tape of the PIa Zadora Concert.
> In all fairness,the lady had a set of pipes! It seems she was stuck in
> this constant -i don't know.."urgent whisper " mode.Anyhow, it left me
> wondering-which is better-Pia's movie"Santa Clause conquers the
> martians" or this tape....
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From angelricano at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 29 03:48:36 2004
From: angelricano at hotmail.com (Angel W. Ricano)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:48:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Electronics Sevice Labs
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV5QjZUZayJG00019ddb@hotmail.com>

Hello everyone, my name is Angel and I'm from Miami Florida.  Let me tell you a little bit from my back ground.  I've been an audio enthusiast almost my entire life, thanks to my father.  Since I was a boy I remember my father's vintage gear which he still has, "JBL Hartsfield" that he runs with Mcintosh gear.   I also own a pair of JBL L300 and Mcintosh gear, C40, MC350, MCD 7009, HHB 800, Transparent Ultra, Kimber Select, CR-7A and 680ZX.  I've been reading Nak Talk for some time now and people are always wondering where to send their precious Nakamichi tapedecks.  Well I just received my CR-7A from ES Labs, where I paid a pretty penny, but it was worth it all of it.  Well I have a pretty good system and I can tell you that the deck came back to me as new and better than almost any other Nak CR-7A out there, so they clamed that mine is the best, and I have no reason to deny their claim since I have one of the latest model.  The deck is super clean inside out, you could eat in it, not to mention the parts they replace with genuine Nak parts.  E S Labs also guarantee the Deck for 2 years.  They also calibrated the deck to the TDK MA-XG 1990s and it works good with the Sony Super Metal Master because they share a similar signature.  The sound of the deck is the same as the source but with typical Nak sound signature that everyone respects.  I use with my CR-7A the MA-XG 1990s, MA-XG 1980s, SA-XG 1980s, MA-R 1970s, MA 70s, Sony Super and Sony Metal Master, Maxell Metal Vertex, Nakamichi ZX, Denon MG-X.  The tapes that I like the most are the MA-XG 1990s, then Sony Super Metal Master, but I like them all since every tape sounds different with any given particular music.  Of course not everyone can afford the overhaul from ES Labs, but if you could save and you want your tapedeck to sound the best and have it for another 10 years working properly, send it to them.  Also I give especial thanks to Erik for doing a wonderful job on my Deck and Jeff for the professional service and knowledge on Nakamichi.  My future project includes getting a Dragon as new as possible with the new mechanism install and I will be also sending my 680ZX for an overhaul.  Again you guys on Nak are doing a great job in communicating info about Naks in general that everyone uses. Thanks Angel
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Jul 29 08:51:54 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:51:54 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
Message-ID: <s108babd.023@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Both those decks (Dragon and CR-7), it is true are especially good in
that respect and are highly regarded because they good in practically
every other aspect too.

However, the difference between well maintained more modern Nakamichi
three-headers is hardly glaring.  The Cassette Deck One and the DR-1
both have manual playback azimuth control and sound brilliant. 
Theoretically, they are also slightly less likely to go wrong in this
area.

Do not ignore the benefit of record-head azimuth alignment on decks
such as the 680s.  If the other decks in your collection have correctly
aligned PB heads, the benefit of this is also clear - absolute phase
accuracy, elimination of Dolby mistracking and faultless HF
performance.

Good luck in your search.  Incidently, when you get a chance, have your
CR-2 thoroughly gone through by a qualified Nak tech if it's
underwhelming you to that degree.  It should deliver very good
performance, and better in general than most Yamahas with which I am
familiar.  I do however respect Yamaha in general, especially the build
quality and the standards are indeed good.  The more modern ones such as
the KX-393, KX-493 and KX-580/SE have a penchant for high-compliance
type 1 tape - a rather endearing idiosycracy for the analogue recordist
on a budget.  Few decks spark with basement lines such as TDK's B as do
Yamaha.  I would presume you are using a KX-690, in which case that
machine is better with complex formulas than the 2-headers, as well as
handling higher recording levels without distortion.  

I like Dolby S too, I must admit!!  Are you auto-calibrating before
recording with your Yamaha?  I don't recall my old man's deck exactly (a
-393) , but I think this would defeat HX-PRO in the process.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/28/04 08:08PM >>>
Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback
azimuth 
control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback from 
non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a
Yamaha 
HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased
with 
the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have
a 
CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still makes

nice recordings.

Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me, 
that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the
cheap on 
ebay.

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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Jul 29 15:01:26 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:01:26 +0300
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] More 582 no record
References: <006e01c47481$9db0cf30$1010a8c0@tg>
	<p06010200bd2ddc47444a@[192.168.0.7]>
Message-ID: <001b01c4756c$2b36dcb0$1010a8c0@tg>

Thanks David,

Hope I can fix the problem, and, if any, please correct / add further
comments to those items you replaced.

BTW, did you get the manual somehow; if so can you pls. send it to me.
My box is suitable to receive high capacity emails.

Thanks again.
Tayfur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Thompson" <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
To: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [naktalk] More 582 no record


> Hi Tayfur
>
> Replacements were in the bias oscillator. I think the transistors
> were Q301 and Q302, both 2SA945.
> The orange caps were C316, C317, both 4700P 100V. I will advise again
> tonight if Q numbers are wrong. All the best with that.
>
> Interesting the Z difference. I saw somewhere that the purchase cost
> was somewhat higher.
>
> David
>
> >  David ,
> >
> >Seems NakTalk server is down as messages keep returning back.
> >
> >My message quoted below.
> >
> >I'll be pleased if you could reply.
> >
> >  Thanks and regards,
> >Tayfur
> >
> >>  > ----- Original Message -----
> >>  > From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> >>  > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>  > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:16 AM
> >>  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > > David,
> >>  > >
> >>  > > Which ones did you replace??? Can you exactly spot them out???
> >>  > > Now my 582Z suffers the same, dont know how suddenly happened???
> >>  > > Only difference between 582 & 582Z,  582Z has LEDs instead of VUs
> >>  > >
> >>  > > Thanks for your reply.
> >>  > > Tayfur
> >>  > >
> >>  > > ----- Original Message -----
> >>  > > From: "David Thompson" <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
> >>  > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>  > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:00 AM
> >>  > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> >>  > >
> >>  > >
> >>  > > > Kannan
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > You were right on the bias oscillator! After replacing two ICs
and
> >>  > > > two orange caps, it now records (although test voltages don't
show
> >as
> >>  > > > per 581 circuit). So many thanks for the pointer. I will be
grateful
> >>  > > > to receive the circuit diagrams when you have a chance. I am
curious
> >>  > > > to see how the record/play switch is set up instead of the
> >mechanical
> >>  > > > switch as on 581. Also curious to know the difference in a 582Z.
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > David
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > >I replied your mail in my other mail - 581 and 582 the
difference
> >is
> >>  > > > >in additional tape / source monitor and nothing else. I have a
581
> >>  > > > >as well here in US and the PCB is same with few components left
out
> >>  > > > >comparing to 582!
> >>  > > > >So the service manual is useful in trouble shooting - check the
> >bias
> >>  > > > >oscillator - possible orange cap failure ?
> >>  > > > >kannan
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > >----- Original Message -----
> >>  > > > >From: David Thompson <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
> >>  > > > >Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:27 am
> >>  > > > >Subject: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > >>  Hi Tom
> >>  > > > >>
> >>  > > > >>  Further on the 582 not recording, I am satisfied that the
cam is
> >>  > > > >>  operating correctly. It goes momentarily to Rec and then to
PY
> >as
> >>  > > > >>  per
> >>  > > > >>  manual. I am now looking into the rec amp and switching on
the
> >>  > > > >>  main
> >>  > > > >>  board but the board layout is somewhat different to my 581
> >manual
> >>  > > > >>  so I
> >>  > > > >>  am a little in the dark. Any further clues, anyone? Is
Kannan
> >>  > > > >>  still
> >>  > > > >>  about? (He has a 582).
> >>  > > > >>
> >>  > > > >>  What is BTW? (please excuse my Aussie ignorance).
> >>  > > > >>
> >>  > > > >>  David
> >>  > > > >>
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Jul 30 06:39:42 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:39:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re;Pia Zadora sings with the London Philharmonic.
Message-ID: <1075-4109D10E-3180@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>

i don't get you RJLBJK .Wasn't the "Santa Clause Conquers the Martians"
movie based on actual fact?  

thank you very much,
gerald



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Jul 29 16:13:53 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:13:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040729101348.02718820@psulias.psu.edu>

The CR-2 I bought from a Nak dealer who had it in his home, and whom I'd 
delt with quite a few times.  It was practically new.  It certainly sounds 
good, just not as good as the KX-690.  On pre recorded tapes they are 
pretty similar, but for recording and playback the KX-690 is clearly 
superior, especially in the highs and in different decks.  The KX-690 can 
really take high input levels.  I usually can record +7db onto a Type II 
tape with no distortion.  Unfortunately it now needs new belts.  (I hope 
that's all).

Yes, I use the auto-calibration, which I usually find does a great 
job.  Ocassionally I'll tweak the bias a tiny bit, but usually it's fine.

For playback, how does the RX-505 or RX-303 (2 head right?) compare to the 
Dragon and CR-7?  They seem to come considerably cheaper despite being 
fairly similar in build to the dragon.


>Good luck in your search.  Incidently, when you get a chance, have your
>CR-2 thoroughly gone through by a qualified Nak tech if it's
>underwhelming you to that degree.  It should deliver very good
>performance, and better in general than most Yamahas with which I am
>familiar.  I do however respect Yamaha in general, especially the build
>quality and the standards are indeed good.  The more modern ones such as
>the KX-393, KX-493 and KX-580/SE have a penchant for high-compliance
>type 1 tape - a rather endearing idiosycracy for the analogue recordist
>on a budget.  Few decks spark with basement lines such as TDK's B as do
>Yamaha.  I would presume you are using a KX-690, in which case that
>machine is better with complex formulas than the 2-headers, as well as
>handling higher recording levels without distortion.
>
>I like Dolby S too, I must admit!!  Are you auto-calibrating before
>recording with your Yamaha?  I don't recall my old man's deck exactly (a
>-393) , but I think this would defeat HX-PRO in the process.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc
>
> >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/28/04 08:08PM >>>
>Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback
>azimuth
>control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback from
>non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a
>Yamaha
>HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased
>with
>the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have
>a
>CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still makes
>
>nice recordings.
>
>Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me,
>that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the
>cheap on
>ebay.
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Jul 29 16:01:58 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:01:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
In-Reply-To: <p06010204bd2e00a9cb59@[192.168.0.7]>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040728200632.02604640@pop.iquebec.com>
	<BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOEMCCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
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Whoops, sorry. King of the Hill.  Best of the best. :)

At 11:18 AM 7/29/2004 +1000, David Thompson wrote:
>KOTH looks like another Americanism - King Of The Hits???
>
>Aussie David
>
>>At 14:08 2004/07/28, you wrote:
>>>Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback 
>>>azimuth control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback 
>>>from non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a 
>>>Yamaha HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been 
>>>pleased with the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for 
>>>playback.  I have a CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the 
>>>Yamaha, but still makes nice recordings.
>>>
>>>Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me, 
>>>that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the cheap 
>>>on ebay.
>>
>>Only two other decks feature user adjustable playback azimuth: Cassette 
>>Deck 1 and DR-1. Except for cosmetics, they are essentially the same.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>-Marc
>>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Jul 30 06:49:40 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 0:49:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re;Pia Zadora sings with the London Philharmonic.
Message-ID: <20040730044938.KHXH15342.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Oh yes, sorry.  What was I thinking?


> 
> From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> Date: 2004/07/30 Fri AM 12:39:42 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re;Pia Zadora sings with the London Philharmonic.
> 
> i don't get you RJLBJK .Wasn't the "Santa Clause Conquers the Martians"
> movie based on actual fact?  
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 30 10:10:48 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:10:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040729101348.02718820@psulias.psu.edu>
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Dear Derrick!

My advice, is IF...you have in possession a "Two-Heads" deck, doesn't matter
which brand!, acquiring a Dragon (Which I received as Gift!), or a CR-7/a,
will NOT make a BIG improvement, is a "WASTE" of money!. Only recording and
after playback trough a 3 "SEPARATED"... head machine...primarily Nakamichi
or a Tandberg, you will be able to hear what really "3 Heads" finally
produce! I hope that I answer your question?

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
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Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck


> The CR-2 I bought from a Nak dealer who had it in his home, and whom I'd
> delt with quite a few times.  It was practically new.  It certainly sounds
> good, just not as good as the KX-690.  On pre recorded tapes they are
> pretty similar, but for recording and playback the KX-690 is clearly
> superior, especially in the highs and in different decks.  The KX-690 can
> really take high input levels.  I usually can record +7db onto a Type II
> tape with no distortion.  Unfortunately it now needs new belts.  (I hope
> that's all).
>
> Yes, I use the auto-calibration, which I usually find does a great
> job.  Ocassionally I'll tweak the bias a tiny bit, but usually it's fine.
>
> For playback, how does the RX-505 or RX-303 (2 head right?) compare to the
> Dragon and CR-7?  They seem to come considerably cheaper despite being
> fairly similar in build to the dragon.
>
>
> >Good luck in your search.  Incidently, when you get a chance, have your
> >CR-2 thoroughly gone through by a qualified Nak tech if it's
> >underwhelming you to that degree.  It should deliver very good
> >performance, and better in general than most Yamahas with which I am
> >familiar.  I do however respect Yamaha in general, especially the build
> >quality and the standards are indeed good.  The more modern ones such as
> >the KX-393, KX-493 and KX-580/SE have a penchant for high-compliance
> >type 1 tape - a rather endearing idiosycracy for the analogue recordist
> >on a budget.  Few decks spark with basement lines such as TDK's B as do
> >Yamaha.  I would presume you are using a KX-690, in which case that
> >machine is better with complex formulas than the 2-headers, as well as
> >handling higher recording levels without distortion.
> >
> >I like Dolby S too, I must admit!!  Are you auto-calibrating before
> >recording with your Yamaha?  I don't recall my old man's deck exactly (a
> >-393) , but I think this would defeat HX-PRO in the process.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Marc
> >
> > >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/28/04 08:08PM >>>
> >Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback
> >azimuth
> >control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback from
> >non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a
> >Yamaha
> >HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased
> >with
> >the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have
> >a
> >CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still makes
> >
> >nice recordings.
> >
> >Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me,
> >that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the
> >cheap on
> >ebay.
> >
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul 30 11:51:55 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:51:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re;Pia Zadora sings with the London Philharmonic.
In-Reply-To: <1075-4109D10E-3180@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000201c4761a$d953edc0$1c9f4c51@oemcomputer>

No, Gerald - Martians don't exist.

Gra'

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> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 30 July 2004 05:40
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re;Pia Zadora sings with the London Philharmonic.
> 
> 
> i don't get you RJLBJK .Wasn't the "Santa Clause Conquers the Martians"
> movie based on actual fact?  
> 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Jul 30 12:55:10 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:55:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
Message-ID: <s10a4538.045@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Howdy Alex,

I have several two head decks.  One of them is a Nak 480Z in great
condition and carefully calibrated by Raymond Leong on Johannesburg, who
is a very competent and well equipped Nakologist.  Anyhow, this deck has
to hold it's head up with two other similarly tuned cousins: a 682ZX and
a Cassette Deck One.  Although it does not have the  extreme bass
response of it's three head team-mates, in all other respects it's is
just as good.

It is better than my other two headers for resolution, Dolby replay
accuracy and tape-type compatibility.   I think that the best 2-headers
from Nak were the 480 series, especially a 480Z and the Nak LX-3.  That
makes them the best 2-headers in the world.  They have assymetrical
double capstan transports, padlifters to eliminate tape skewing and
scrape flutter, exceptional electronics and the same metallurgy and
design philosophies in the head construction that apply to the
three-discreet head machines.  However, three head Naks have a near
unbeatable advantage that arises from head gap differentials.

What I'm trying to say is that Nakamichi 2-headers have several
important advanatages over other 2-headers (and many three-headers from
other manufacturers) which puts their performance in a high league. 
Furthermore, three discrete heads is not the only advantage that
Nakamichi has over other thee-head decks.

I must agree, Tandberg has very nice azimuth management.  I'm thinking
of the 3014 and 3014A.

Keep well,

Marc


>>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 07/30/04 10:10AM >>>
Dear Derrick!

My advice, is IF...you have in possession a "Two-Heads" deck, doesn't
matter
which brand!, acquiring a Dragon (Which I received as Gift!), or a
CR-7/a,
will NOT make a BIG improvement, is a "WASTE" of money!. Only recording
and
after playback trough a 3 "SEPARATED"... head machine...primarily
Nakamichi
or a Tandberg, you will be able to hear what really "3 Heads" finally
produce! I hope that I answer your question?

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
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From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck


> The CR-2 I bought from a Nak dealer who had it in his home, and whom
I'd
> delt with quite a few times.  It was practically new.  It certainly
sounds
> good, just not as good as the KX-690.  On pre recorded tapes they
are
> pretty similar, but for recording and playback the KX-690 is clearly
> superior, especially in the highs and in different decks.  The KX-690
can
> really take high input levels.  I usually can record +7db onto a Type
II
> tape with no distortion.  Unfortunately it now needs new belts.  (I
hope
> that's all).
>
> Yes, I use the auto-calibration, which I usually find does a great
> job.  Ocassionally I'll tweak the bias a tiny bit, but usually it's
fine.
>
> For playback, how does the RX-505 or RX-303 (2 head right?) compare
to the
> Dragon and CR-7?  They seem to come considerably cheaper despite
being
> fairly similar in build to the dragon.
>
>
> >Good luck in your search.  Incidently, when you get a chance, have
your
> >CR-2 thoroughly gone through by a qualified Nak tech if it's
> >underwhelming you to that degree.  It should deliver very good
> >performance, and better in general than most Yamahas with which I
am
> >familiar.  I do however respect Yamaha in general, especially the
build
> >quality and the standards are indeed good.  The more modern ones
such as
> >the KX-393, KX-493 and KX-580/SE have a penchant for
high-compliance
> >type 1 tape - a rather endearing idiosycracy for the analogue
recordist
> >on a budget.  Few decks spark with basement lines such as TDK's B as
do
> >Yamaha.  I would presume you are using a KX-690, in which case that
> >machine is better with complex formulas than the 2-headers, as well
as
> >handling higher recording levels without distortion.
> >
> >I like Dolby S too, I must admit!!  Are you auto-calibrating before
> >recording with your Yamaha?  I don't recall my old man's deck
exactly (a
> >-393) , but I think this would defeat HX-PRO in the process.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Marc
> >
> > >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/28/04 08:08PM >>>
> >Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback
> >azimuth
> >control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback
from
> >non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a
> >Yamaha
> >HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased
> >with
> >the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I
have
> >a
> >CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still
makes
> >
> >nice recordings.
> >
> >Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to
me,
> >that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the
> >cheap on
> >ebay.
> >
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jul 30 13:36:11 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:36:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
In-Reply-To: <s10a4538.045@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <000401c47629$69f1af80$d077893e@oemcomputer>

Until fairly recently it was the case that you could still buy a Tandberg
3014 to special order.  I am not sure if this is still the case.  It seems
the audio side of Tandberg may have been wound up at the end of 2000.  I
have found various Tandberg divisions on the internet - e.g. Data storage -
but nothing for their audio gear.   Anyone out there know more about this?
If this IS the case, it would appear that only ReVox is left amongst the
giant killer cassette decks to be still supplying spares.

Graham

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 30 16:08:45 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:08:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Best playback deck
References: <000401c47629$69f1af80$d077893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10hXQxkfUG0007c3db@hotmail.com>

Dear Graham!

Yes...only Studer/Revox!

Cheers,

ALEX!
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> Until fairly recently it was the case that you could still buy a Tandberg
> 3014 to special order.  I am not sure if this is still the case.  It seems
> the audio side of Tandberg may have been wound up at the end of 2000.  I
> have found various Tandberg divisions on the internet - e.g. Data
storage -
> but nothing for their audio gear.   Anyone out there know more about this?
> If this IS the case, it would appear that only ReVox is left amongst the
> giant killer cassette decks to be still supplying spares.
>
> Graham
>
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Jul 30 17:47:10 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:47:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Reviews/Comparisons
Message-ID: <20124-410A6D7E-2400@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>

Rx 505 reviews and comparisons with dragon also wanted.I would consider
this deck as an upgrade alternative to my Rx-303,being that it is less
costly than the Dragon.I am also strongly considering the Cassette deck
1.5.Also,i can highly recommend the Rx-303,on the basis that it looks
great,sounds great,and has the auto reverse and  features like
auto-fade,auto record and bias tune control which lets you fine tune the
bias by ear.

thank you very much,
gerald



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 31 12:58:11 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:58:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji FR-I Super
In-Reply-To: <20124-410A6D7E-2400@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000001c476ed$4575eee0$64924c51@oemcomputer>

Anyone ever tried Fuji FR-I Super?   It's a Type I, but Fuji sell it/sold it
(probably past tense!) as a cassette for recording music.  I've come across
a stock of the stuff.

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 31 14:55:32 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:55:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji FR-I Super
References: <000001c476ed$4575eee0$64924c51@oemcomputer>
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Hi Graham,

Once I use it, it's an a old formula, but for a "Car Stereo"...suffice! All
the "Newer: Fuji formula use "Double Coating" layer. That one that you can
obtain in quantity use a single layer only!

Good Luck...!

ALEX!
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Subject: [naktalk] Fuji FR-I Super


> Anyone ever tried Fuji FR-I Super?   It's a Type I, but Fuji sell it/sold
it
> (probably past tense!) as a cassette for recording music.  I've come
across
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sat Jul 31 14:28:25 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:28:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak RX-505 Reviews/Comparisons
Message-ID: <003201c476f9$e065f8d0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Hello Gerald, NakTalkers, et al ......

Coffee mug in-hand, and finally a bit of time to relax on a Saturday morning with music playing on one of my oldie Nak decks.

Regarding the Nak RX-505, which has at times been referred to as the mini-dragon because of the innovations incorporated into that design, there are several good technical review articles available.  My foray into outreach and information sharing of classic Nakamichi audio gear was initially prompted by the excellent RX series of cassette decks.  For starters, vital information about the RX-505 deck is at your fingertips upon a computer keyboard.  My little ongoing project, the Nak CyberSpot Portal website, still displays the RX-505 prominently on the portal page:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html

Nak RX-505 marketing brochure is also displayed via web link on that page:
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nak505b.html

Collector/User comments can be found on the AudioReview website:
http://www.audioreview.com/Tape%20Decks/Nakamichi/PRD_121134_1595crx.aspx

Also, quck reference to one of the reviews can be found at Alexander Vostokov's very excellent AnalogAudio website:

Audio Magazine, July 1964:
http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/rx-505_01-05.djvu

High Fidelity Magazine, August 1984:
http://www.analogaudio.narod.ru/mag/rx-505_14-16.djvu


I've possessed a rather nice specimen of an RX-505 for many years now, utilize it regularly in my work/play studio.  The RX-505 is a cassette deck that I continue to hold in high regard as a best of breed in analogue audio technology use.  High performer, and its a showstopper at social gatherings (esp wekkend friends together or grillout occasions when I'm showing off the oldie analogue gear system to onlookers.  The autoreverse mechanism continues to dazzle the uninitiated!.

Well, this info should be enough to get you going with some info for your audio cassette deck comparisons.

Have a great weekend, enjoy your music!


Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisconsin USA
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From: jerryjg at webtv.net 
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Reviews/Comparisons
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Rx 505 reviews and comparisons with dragon also wanted.I would consider
this deck as an upgrade alternative to my Rx-303, being that it is less
costly than the Dragon. I am also strongly considering the Cassette deck
1.5. Also,i can highly recommend the Rx-303,on the basis that it looks
great,sounds great,and has the auto reverse and  features like
auto-fade,auto record and bias tune control which lets you fine tune the
bias by ear.

thank you very much,
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Sat Jul 31 16:10:33 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:10:33 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505
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Hi Gerald,

I can highly recommend the RX-505.....if it is in good alignment.  I picked one up on ebay about 2 years ago to replace an RX-303.  It was in great cosmetic condition, but had a tendency to eat tapes.  I had it overhauled by ESL and it is an excellent machine now......I use it regularly for playback in one of my systems.  I don't do much recording with it because I use my CR-7 for that, but what I have done has been outstanding.  The auto reverse flip is pretty cool, and lightning fast, but you already know that.

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Jul 31 21:39:32 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:39:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji FR-I Super
Message-ID: <s10c11a2.084@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Gra'

I should have test result and general view of it by tomorrow morning.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 07/31/04 02:55PM >>>
Hi Graham,

Once I use it, it's an a old formula, but for a "Car Stereo"...suffice!
All
the "Newer: Fuji formula use "Double Coating" layer. That one that you
can
obtain in quantity use a single layer only!

Good Luck...!

ALEX!
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Subject: [naktalk] Fuji FR-I Super


> Anyone ever tried Fuji FR-I Super?   It's a Type I, but Fuji sell
it/sold
it
> (probably past tense!) as a cassette for recording music.  I've come
across
> a stock of the stuff.
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jul 31 22:13:42 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:13:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji FR-I Super
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Excellent!   Thanks Marc.

Thanks to Alex also for your feedback on this tape.

Gra'

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> Behalf Of Mark Hugo
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> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fuji FR-I Super
> 
> 
> Hi Gra'
> 
> I should have test result and general view of it by tomorrow morning.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Marc
> 
> >>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 07/31/04 02:55PM >>>
> Hi Graham,
> 
> Once I use it, it's an a old formula, but for a "Car Stereo"...suffice!
> All
> the "Newer: Fuji formula use "Double Coating" layer. That one that you
> can
> obtain in quantity use a single layer only!
> 
> Good Luck...!
> 
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:58 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Fuji FR-I Super
> 
> 
> > Anyone ever tried Fuji FR-I Super?   It's a Type I, but Fuji sell
> it/sold
> it
> > (probably past tense!) as a cassette for recording music.  I've come
> across
> > a stock of the stuff.
> >
> > Graham
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From nevcooper at g3lmo.com  Fri Jul 30 18:22:47 2004
From: nevcooper at g3lmo.com (Nev Cooper)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:22:47 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Reviews/Comparisons
References: <20124-410A6D7E-2400@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>
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Hi Gerald............

I have a very little used CD 1.5 for sale, but think you may be in the USA
and have only just had to cancel my holiday at Lake Conroe Texas due to a
pending house move (Hense the 1.5 sale).

Regards

Nev
(Cornwall UK)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:47 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Reviews/Comparisons


> Rx 505 reviews and comparisons with dragon also wanted.I would consider
> this deck as an upgrade alternative to my Rx-303,being that it is less
> costly than the Dragon.I am also strongly considering the Cassette deck
> 1.5.Also,i can highly recommend the Rx-303,on the basis that it looks
> great,sounds great,and has the auto reverse and  features like
> auto-fade,auto record and bias tune control which lets you fine tune the
> bias by ear.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 30 22:59:32 2004
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:59:32 -0600
Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck
Message-ID: <Sea1-F35gXvqYyzSsBy0001c981@hotmail.com>

This is absolutely true. As when I met with Stephan Sank with purchasing an 
LX-3. He said there shall really be no difference in playback on a LX-3 
verses an LX-5. In my opinion, These 2 decks seem to be the most bang for 
the buck. I have quantity 2 LX-5, LX-3, Dragon, ZX-7, and BX-1.


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck
>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:10:48 +0200
>
>Dear Derrick!
>
>My advice, is IF...you have in possession a "Two-Heads" deck, doesn't 
>matter
>which brand!, acquiring a Dragon (Which I received as Gift!), or a CR-7/a,
>will NOT make a BIG improvement, is a "WASTE" of money!. Only recording and
>after playback trough a 3 "SEPARATED"... head machine...primarily Nakamichi
>or a Tandberg, you will be able to hear what really "3 Heads" finally
>produce! I hope that I answer your question?
>
>Happy Listening,
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck
>
>
> > The CR-2 I bought from a Nak dealer who had it in his home, and whom I'd
> > delt with quite a few times.  It was practically new.  It certainly 
>sounds
> > good, just not as good as the KX-690.  On pre recorded tapes they are
> > pretty similar, but for recording and playback the KX-690 is clearly
> > superior, especially in the highs and in different decks.  The KX-690 
>can
> > really take high input levels.  I usually can record +7db onto a Type II
> > tape with no distortion.  Unfortunately it now needs new belts.  (I hope
> > that's all).
> >
> > Yes, I use the auto-calibration, which I usually find does a great
> > job.  Ocassionally I'll tweak the bias a tiny bit, but usually it's 
>fine.
> >
> > For playback, how does the RX-505 or RX-303 (2 head right?) compare to 
>the
> > Dragon and CR-7?  They seem to come considerably cheaper despite being
> > fairly similar in build to the dragon.
> >
> >
> > >Good luck in your search.  Incidently, when you get a chance, have your
> > >CR-2 thoroughly gone through by a qualified Nak tech if it's
> > >underwhelming you to that degree.  It should deliver very good
> > >performance, and better in general than most Yamahas with which I am
> > >familiar.  I do however respect Yamaha in general, especially the build
> > >quality and the standards are indeed good.  The more modern ones such 
>as
> > >the KX-393, KX-493 and KX-580/SE have a penchant for high-compliance
> > >type 1 tape - a rather endearing idiosycracy for the analogue recordist
> > >on a budget.  Few decks spark with basement lines such as TDK's B as do
> > >Yamaha.  I would presume you are using a KX-690, in which case that
> > >machine is better with complex formulas than the 2-headers, as well as
> > >handling higher recording levels without distortion.
> > >
> > >I like Dolby S too, I must admit!!  Are you auto-calibrating before
> > >recording with your Yamaha?  I don't recall my old man's deck exactly 
>(a
> > >-393) , but I think this would defeat HX-PRO in the process.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >
> > >Marc
> > >
> > > >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/28/04 08:08PM >>>
> > >Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback
> > >azimuth
> > >control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback from
> > >non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a
> > >Yamaha
> > >HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased
> > >with
> > >the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have
> > >a
> > >CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still makes
> > >
> > >nice recordings.
> > >
> > >Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me,
> > >that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the
> > >cheap on
> > >ebay.
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Aug  1 01:19:48 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 00:19:48 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited
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I see it sold for £1,220 ... 7 bids, too.  A lot less than the last Limited
edition ZXL, as I recall.  But then, I also recall that one was known to be
working!   May be it'll look good in a glass cabinet, for show ...

Gra'

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From ra.ah at rcn.com  Sun Aug  1 14:32:04 2004
From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:32:04 -0400
Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck
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I am surprised to hear this of Stephen. As a rule,
3 head machines are inherently superiour to 2 head
machines, for both recording, and (especially) PB.

One reason is, because a dedicated PB head has a
very narrow gap and a dedicated REC head has a wide
gap, while the combo REC/PB head gap must, of
necessity, be a compromise. There are other reasons
as well.

Bottom line: if the recording is *good* it should
definitely sound better on a 3 head deck. Of course,
if a recording is mediocre, it will sound poor on
*any* deck.

-- Ron


Mark Exstedt wrote:
> This is absolutely true. As when I met with Stephan Sank with purchasing 
> an LX-3. He said there shall really be no difference in playback on a 
> LX-3 verses an LX-5. In my opinion, These 2 decks seem to be the most 
> bang for the buck. I have quantity 2 LX-5, LX-3, Dragon, ZX-7, and BX-1.
> 
> 
>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:10:48 +0200
>>
>> Dear Derrick!
>>
>> My advice, is IF...you have in possession a "Two-Heads" deck, doesn't 
>> matter
>> which brand!, acquiring a Dragon (Which I received as Gift!), or a 
>> CR-7/a,
>> will NOT make a BIG improvement, is a "WASTE" of money!. Only 
>> recording and
>> after playback trough a 3 "SEPARATED"... head machine...primarily 
>> Nakamichi
>> or a Tandberg, you will be able to hear what really "3 Heads" finally
>> produce! I hope that I answer your question?
>>
>> Happy Listening,
>>
>> ALEX!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck
>>
>>
>> > The CR-2 I bought from a Nak dealer who had it in his home, and whom 
>> I'd
>> > delt with quite a few times.  It was practically new.  It certainly 
>> sounds
>> > good, just not as good as the KX-690.  On pre recorded tapes they are
>> > pretty similar, but for recording and playback the KX-690 is clearly
>> > superior, especially in the highs and in different decks.  The 
>> KX-690 can
>> > really take high input levels.  I usually can record +7db onto a 
>> Type II
>> > tape with no distortion.  Unfortunately it now needs new belts.  (I 
>> hope
>> > that's all).
>> >
>> > Yes, I use the auto-calibration, which I usually find does a great
>> > job.  Ocassionally I'll tweak the bias a tiny bit, but usually it's 
>> fine.
>> >
>> > For playback, how does the RX-505 or RX-303 (2 head right?) compare 
>> to the
>> > Dragon and CR-7?  They seem to come considerably cheaper despite being
>> > fairly similar in build to the dragon.
>> >
>> >
>> > >Good luck in your search.  Incidently, when you get a chance, have 
>> your
>> > >CR-2 thoroughly gone through by a qualified Nak tech if it's
>> > >underwhelming you to that degree.  It should deliver very good
>> > >performance, and better in general than most Yamahas with which I am
>> > >familiar.  I do however respect Yamaha in general, especially the 
>> build
>> > >quality and the standards are indeed good.  The more modern ones 
>> such as
>> > >the KX-393, KX-493 and KX-580/SE have a penchant for high-compliance
>> > >type 1 tape - a rather endearing idiosycracy for the analogue 
>> recordist
>> > >on a budget.  Few decks spark with basement lines such as TDK's B 
>> as do
>> > >Yamaha.  I would presume you are using a KX-690, in which case that
>> > >machine is better with complex formulas than the 2-headers, as well as
>> > >handling higher recording levels without distortion.
>> > >
>> > >I like Dolby S too, I must admit!!  Are you auto-calibrating before
>> > >recording with your Yamaha?  I don't recall my old man's deck 
>> exactly (a
>> > >-393) , but I think this would defeat HX-PRO in the process.
>> > >
>> > >Cheers,
>> > >
>> > >Marc
>> > >
>> > > >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/28/04 08:08PM >>>
>> > >Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback
>> > >azimuth
>> > >control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback from
>> > >non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a
>> > >Yamaha
>> > >HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased
>> > >with
>> > >the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have
>> > >a
>> > >CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still 
>> makes
>> > >
>> > >nice recordings.
>> > >
>> > >Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me,
>> > >that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the
>> > >cheap on
>> > >ebay.
>> > >
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sun Aug  1 17:41:08 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:41:08 -0500
Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck
In-Reply-To: <410CE2C4.9090700@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIENDCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

I have a CR4 and a CR2. The CR4 is a significantly better deck. Crystalloy
heads (rather than sendust) plus a more stable direct drive, dual capstain
system. I remember discussions about 580M, which is a 2 head deck with
crystalloy pb/rec head, and the fact that it sounded almost as good as say
582 - the below is an interesting comment about LX3 and LX5.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:32 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: FW: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck



I am surprised to hear this of Stephen. As a rule,
3 head machines are inherently superiour to 2 head
machines, for both recording, and (especially) PB.

One reason is, because a dedicated PB head has a
very narrow gap and a dedicated REC head has a wide
gap, while the combo REC/PB head gap must, of
necessity, be a compromise. There are other reasons
as well.

Bottom line: if the recording is *good* it should
definitely sound better on a 3 head deck. Of course,
if a recording is mediocre, it will sound poor on
*any* deck.

-- Ron


Mark Exstedt wrote:
> This is absolutely true. As when I met with Stephan Sank with purchasing
> an LX-3. He said there shall really be no difference in playback on a
> LX-3 verses an LX-5. In my opinion, These 2 decks seem to be the most
> bang for the buck. I have quantity 2 LX-5, LX-3, Dragon, ZX-7, and BX-1.
>
>
>> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:10:48 +0200
>>
>> Dear Derrick!
>>
>> My advice, is IF...you have in possession a "Two-Heads" deck, doesn't
>> matter
>> which brand!, acquiring a Dragon (Which I received as Gift!), or a
>> CR-7/a,
>> will NOT make a BIG improvement, is a "WASTE" of money!. Only
>> recording and
>> after playback trough a 3 "SEPARATED"... head machine...primarily
>> Nakamichi
>> or a Tandberg, you will be able to hear what really "3 Heads" finally
>> produce! I hope that I answer your question?
>>
>> Happy Listening,
>>
>> ALEX!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best playback deck
>>
>>
>> > The CR-2 I bought from a Nak dealer who had it in his home, and whom
>> I'd
>> > delt with quite a few times.  It was practically new.  It certainly
>> sounds
>> > good, just not as good as the KX-690.  On pre recorded tapes they are
>> > pretty similar, but for recording and playback the KX-690 is clearly
>> > superior, especially in the highs and in different decks.  The
>> KX-690 can
>> > really take high input levels.  I usually can record +7db onto a
>> Type II
>> > tape with no distortion.  Unfortunately it now needs new belts.  (I
>> hope
>> > that's all).
>> >
>> > Yes, I use the auto-calibration, which I usually find does a great
>> > job.  Ocassionally I'll tweak the bias a tiny bit, but usually it's
>> fine.
>> >
>> > For playback, how does the RX-505 or RX-303 (2 head right?) compare
>> to the
>> > Dragon and CR-7?  They seem to come considerably cheaper despite being
>> > fairly similar in build to the dragon.
>> >
>> >
>> > >Good luck in your search.  Incidently, when you get a chance, have
>> your
>> > >CR-2 thoroughly gone through by a qualified Nak tech if it's
>> > >underwhelming you to that degree.  It should deliver very good
>> > >performance, and better in general than most Yamahas with which I am
>> > >familiar.  I do however respect Yamaha in general, especially the
>> build
>> > >quality and the standards are indeed good.  The more modern ones
>> such as
>> > >the KX-393, KX-493 and KX-580/SE have a penchant for high-compliance
>> > >type 1 tape - a rather endearing idiosycracy for the analogue
>> recordist
>> > >on a budget.  Few decks spark with basement lines such as TDK's B
>> as do
>> > >Yamaha.  I would presume you are using a KX-690, in which case that
>> > >machine is better with complex formulas than the 2-headers, as well as
>> > >handling higher recording levels without distortion.
>> > >
>> > >I like Dolby S too, I must admit!!  Are you auto-calibrating before
>> > >recording with your Yamaha?  I don't recall my old man's deck
>> exactly (a
>> > >-393) , but I think this would defeat HX-PRO in the process.
>> > >
>> > >Cheers,
>> > >
>> > >Marc
>> > >
>> > > >>> dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu 07/28/04 08:08PM >>>
>> > >Obviously the dragon and CR-7 are regarded as KOTH due to playback
>> > >azimuth
>> > >control, but which lower priced decks were the best at playback from
>> > >non-Nak recorded tapes?  I've been doing a lot of recording with a
>> > >Yamaha
>> > >HX Pro deck, dolby S and 160Khz bias (thingy) and have been pleased
>> > >with
>> > >the results. Am considering using dbx with a Nak for playback.  I have
>> > >a
>> > >CR-2, which really doesn't hold a candle to the Yamaha, but still
>> makes
>> > >
>> > >nice recordings.
>> > >
>> > >Of course if anyone has a CR-7 or Dragon they'd like to donate to me,
>> > >that'd be great too. :)  NONE of these things ever sneak by on the
>> > >cheap on
>> > >ebay.
>> > >
>> >
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From kemppie at studenten.net  Mon Aug  2 16:04:19 2004
From: kemppie at studenten.net (kemppie)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:04:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon-half speed
Message-ID: <001701c47899$9ab99700$9600000a@lan>

Hello, 
    
After some time playing, my Dragon plays the tape at half speed or so !! .
It looks like there is a pitchcontrol on it that automatic slows down the speed.
Does anyone knows what to do ??
Thanks

Laurens
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  2 18:05:07 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:05:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon-half speed
References: <001701c47899$9ab99700$9600000a@lan>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10D3TI432e00089b27@hotmail.com>

Shalom Laurens!

Seems me something wrong with your Dragon!  Happens in ALL brand the tapes...?, OR only at a particular one, maybe OLD one...very hard USED (To much in use...?). How old is your machine?
Very heavy used...each day...or something like that?
As the Dragon DO NOT HAVE ANY PITCH CONTROL...! Only the 1000 series!!!
Did you clean regularly and degauss the heads..., per example after each 10 full recorded/playing cassettes?
Which brand do you use...?
After that you will reply all my questions..., I'm 100% sure that other cute Nak members of our great forum, will write you some advices or opinions!
Be patiently...!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kemppie 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:04 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon-half speed


  Hello, 
      
  After some time playing, my Dragon plays the tape at half speed or so !! .
  It looks like there is a pitchcontrol on it that automatic slows down the speed.
  Does anyone knows what to do ??
  Thanks

  Laurens



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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Mon Aug  2 21:23:59 2004
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:23:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalker' s in Chicago area
Message-ID: <509cdc50962b.50962b509cdc@vsnl.net>

Hi guys I am right now in Chicago this month. any naktalker' in this area - welcome to contact me if they do not consider me  a nuisance though. We can meet this week end or next week end
kannan



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Aug  4 03:11:23 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
Message-ID: <20040804011125.YRGB10626.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.

What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be comparable to a CR-7A?

Roland



From flifton at mac.com  Wed Aug  4 04:07:39 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:07:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] cr3 motor rebuild or replace?
In-Reply-To: <200408021000.i72A0cth011523@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200408021000.i72A0cth011523@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <0FAD35F1-E5BB-11D8-9A1B-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
I'm back after a long absence, nursing a friend through brain cancer to 
its inevitable conclusion. Terrible disease, I recommend all of you 
avoid it.
But I re-enter the world of the living with this problem: My CR3a has a 
chronic problem with its cam motor (I think that's its name, the small 
motor that drives the transport by turning a large cam to rotate the 
heads up and so forth). It's been back to get Sanktified for this 
problem once, but I don't think he re-built the motor, just lubed it. 
Worked fine for about two years now the problem is back.
  I can get the deck working again by shoving the gear a little (thereby 
turning the motor a little). So I'm almost positive the motor is the 
problem. Here're the questions: is my diagnosis right? Should I rebuild 
the motor or try to replace it? Are either of these procedures within 
the grasp of the skilled amateur? (I can solder, take things apart and 
put them back together. I can follow any procedure in a service manual. 
I am very slow.) Anyone have a service manual they'd be willing to 
sell/loan/give?
thanks, as always, for your jaw-dropping expertise,
Fred Lifton



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  4 12:20:09 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 06:20:09 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
Message-ID: <BAY2-F19Zvbwep09lVC0003be93@hotmail.com>

Look for a Teac X2000 or Akai 747.


>From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
>
>I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
>
>What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be comparable to 
>a CR-7A?
>
>Roland
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Aug  4 16:13:28 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:13:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV10D3TI432e00089b27@hotmail.com>
References: <001701c47899$9ab99700$9600000a@lan>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040804101232.02659398@psulias.psu.edu>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.



From srudick at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  4 16:17:54 2004
From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:17:54 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] cr3 motor rebuild or replace?
Message-ID: <BAY16-F161EIZy4uN7I00051a26@hotmail.com>

If the cam motor is available, replace it. If not, you have no choice but to 
rebuild it. To do that, carefully disassemble it and clean the brushes and 
commutator with a 'Pink Pearl' type eraser. Use a fine sewing needle to get 
the junk out between the three plates of the commutator. That's where 99.9% 
of the problem is since the cam motor cannot otherwise have a lot of wear as 
it is only in use between modes momentarily.
While you have the cam assembly apart, don't forget to clean all the cam 
switches with a thin slice of that 'Pink Pearl' eraser!

Good Luck,

Steve Rudick/VE2FSQ
Audiotech/Montreal
Authorized Nak Service
srudick at hotmail.com


----Original Message Follows----

Hi all,
I'm back after a long absence, nursing a friend through brain cancer to its 
inevitable conclusion. Terrible disease, I recommend all of you avoid it.
But I re-enter the world of the living with this problem: My CR3a has a 
chronic problem with its cam motor (I think that's its name, the small motor 
that drives the transport by turning a large cam to rotate the heads up and 
so forth). It's been back to get Sanktified for this problem once, but I 
don't think he re-built the motor, just lubed it. Worked fine for about two 
years now the problem is back.
  I can get the deck working again by shoving the gear a little (thereby 
turning the motor a little). So I'm almost positive the motor is the 
problem. Here're the questions: is my diagnosis right? Should I rebuild the 
motor or try to replace it? Are either of these procedures within the grasp 
of the skilled amateur? (I can solder, take things apart and put them back 
together. I can follow any procedure in a service manual. I am very slow.) 
Anyone have a service manual they'd be willing to sell/loan/give?
thanks, as always, for your jaw-dropping expertise,
Fred Lifton

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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug  4 17:26:58 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 11:26:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040804101232.02659398@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <001701c47899$9ab99700$9600000a@lan>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040804101232.02659398@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <41110042.4020507@bellsouth.net>

It shows the power of good presentation.
Mike


Derrick Beckner wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT 
>
>
> Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From roleo at telus.net  Wed Aug  4 18:08:44 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:08:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
References: <001701c47899$9ab99700$9600000a@lan>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040804101232.02659398@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <003701c47a3d$515dec00$6401a8c0@desktop>

I bet the high bidder thought the Dragon's Remote Control was included...................apparently
it isn't, as it is marked ambiguously as "extra".

Still it is in nice shape.  Generally I find that people who keep the original packing and boxes
(as in this case) take care of their equipment.  It's just part of their nature to be extra careful
it sems......

-- Roland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:13 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon


> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
> Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From roleo at telus.net  Wed Aug  4 18:12:55 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:12:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
References: <20040804011125.YRGB10626.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <004501c47a3d$e6ca5530$6401a8c0@desktop>

Roland,

Althought the TEAC X-2000R is a nice deck (I have one) the X-1000R is also a very good deck.  They
are generally 1/3 to 1/2 less expensive than the X-2000R and work and sound as good or better.
Also easier to repair.  I have had several of these and love them.  Don't buy a beater though.  Get
the nicest one you can afford. ($300 - 400 range on E-bay)

-- (the other) Roland


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:11 PM
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel


> I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
>
> What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be comparable to a CR-7A?
>
> Roland
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  4 21:12:13 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:12:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
Message-ID: <BAY2-F13lVv8b8rBMYn00040c8f@hotmail.com>

Derrick:

I do not know who the stupid party is, the buyer, because he/she stupidly 
paid way to much for this item, or the seller for ripping off a stupid 
uninformed public!



>From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:13:28 -0400
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
>Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From mark8559 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  4 22:23:11 2004
From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:23:11 -0600
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
Message-ID: <Sea1-F104TMzXtIPBcn0001b65e@hotmail.com>

The price is not that high. The wired remote control is also included. I 
have one and they sell for $295.00 on Ebay. Many near mint Dragons go for up 
to $800.00. I'm one of the lucky ones, having a near mint Dragon 
(Sanktified) and a mint wired remote.

>From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
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>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:13:28 -0400
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
>Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Aug  4 23:56:02 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:56:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BASF CHROME C90
In-Reply-To: <004501c47a3d$e6ca5530$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <000901c47a6d$d544db20$e8d14c51@oemcomputer>

Guys

Now see this:

The price for 100 black screwed C90 Cassettes including black and clear
libary cases will be £70 +VAT
The price for 200 Will be £136 +VAT
Hope this helps
Regards
Andy
Fairview Music
Tel: 01430 425546
Fax: 01430 425547
www.fairviewstudios.co.uk

Personally, I've not had a BASF tape I've not liked, and I like them even
better when they come in a screwed Black shell.   This is the only UK
supplier I know of at the moment with bulk supplies of BASF Chrome tape.
With the 200 size order that's 80p per cassette.  I've seen the Maxells and
TDK SAs cheaper but I'd rather have the BASF than the TDK and .... those
shells.

Gra'

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  4 22:00:59 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:00:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
References: <001701c47899$9ab99700$9600000a@lan>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040804101232.02659398@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV9h133tYwli00094a57@hotmail.com>

Why Insane...Derrick?

By the attached photos, looks as a "Virgin"...one!!! Mine gifted ones (I
don't pay a penny for it...!), show his 20 years of being boxed..., here all
the push buttons...looks extremely nicer...!
What I can tell you...If some one wanted...he pays!!!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:13 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon


>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
> Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Aug  4 22:50:57 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:50:57 -0400
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
Message-ID: <20040804205056.NSTS15539.lakermmtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Mark,

Dragons typically go for $700 on down.  Like someone said, presentation is everything.

> 
> From: "Mark Exstedt" <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
> Date: 2004/08/04 Wed PM 04:23:11 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: FW: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> 
> The price is not that high. The wired remote control is also included. I 
> have one and they sell for $295.00 on Ebay. Many near mint Dragons go for up 
> to $800.00. I'm one of the lucky ones, having a near mint Dragon 
> (Sanktified) and a mint wired remote.
> 
> >From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:13:28 -0400
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
> >
> >Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 20:26:43 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:26:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F19Zvbwep09lVC0003be93@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMENJCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Tandberg TD20 should also do the job ...

Stan

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Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:20 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel


Look for a Teac X2000 or Akai 747.


>From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
>
>I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
>
>What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be comparable to
>a CR-7A?
>
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 23:16:05 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:16:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F13lVv8b8rBMYn00040c8f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOENKCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Why do you suggest that the seller is ripping off uninformed public?

I would agree that including the remote on the picture and then stating that
it was extra was tricky, but other than that, there have been 31 bids. And,
in my opinion, someone who is shelling out $1,000+ on a 15+ year old tape
deck better know what he is doing, and should not be uninformed. This can be
a rip off if the unit turns out to be a lemon, but there is no way we can
say it just looking at the pictures ...

What do you propose, that the seller should have stopped at $500 and ask
people not to bid anymore? I am sorry, but I have to disagree.

Stan

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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of neil lipes
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:12 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon


Derrick:

I do not know who the stupid party is, the buyer, because he/she stupidly
paid way to much for this item, or the seller for ripping off a stupid
uninformed public!



>From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:13:28 -0400
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageNa
me=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
>Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 02:12:56 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:12:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
Message-ID: <20040805001254.SGHA8791.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Alex,  the guy never says he's the original owner, he said he hand carried in into the headquarters at Torrance Californian MANY YEARS AGO.

Taken from the ad

> It has been taken into the Nakamichi headquarters in Torrance, California, in person, for maintenance and fine turning and tweaking the auto azimuth system. Many years ago, they let me in to the tech department and I watched the technician tweak this machine in my presence.<

So it looks like a 'virgin'?  So did my sister at age 30 but it was 14 years too late.





> 
> From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> Date: 2004/08/04 Wed PM 04:00:59 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> 
> Why Insane...Derrick?
> 
> By the attached photos, looks as a "Virgin"...one!!! Mine gifted ones (I
> don't pay a penny for it...!), show his 20 years of being boxed..., here all
> the push buttons...looks extremely nicer...!
> What I can tell you...If some one wanted...he pays!!!
> 
> Happy listening,
> 
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:13 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> 
> 
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
> >
> > Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  5 12:24:55 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 06:24:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
Message-ID: <BAY2-F39O794BE0rPLi0002df89@hotmail.com>

Stan:

I consider the entire e-bay "experience" fraught with so many ways to get 
"screwed" that calling it a "den of thieves" would not be farfetched!

Where else are "we" asked to "trust" a complete stranger and fork over hard 
earned cash and trust that the seller is 100% truthful. I can not tell you 
how many reel to reel ads I read and the seller has the balls to say ...I do 
not have a tape to test, or it lights up, or looks like it fully 
functions...what in the world is looks like supposed to impart?  Not trust I 
can assure you that!

The "safe harbor" aspect of e-bay is a joke!  They(e-bay) are concerned with 
only one thing...continuing to collect fees from sellers.... Buyers should 
only consider auctions that allow credit cards...this way one can invoke the 
help of the bank if the mdse. purchased is junk or is doa!

The next time to go to a store to purchase any item of substance, just give 
the store your money, do not actually see it or check it out...this is 
exactly what you do when you participate in e-bay auctions...

Off to fight the traffic here in the city that never sleeps.

Neil


>From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
>Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:16:05 -0500
>
>Why do you suggest that the seller is ripping off uninformed public?
>
>I would agree that including the remote on the picture and then stating 
>that
>it was extra was tricky, but other than that, there have been 31 bids. And,
>in my opinion, someone who is shelling out $1,000+ on a 15+ year old tape
>deck better know what he is doing, and should not be uninformed. This can 
>be
>a rip off if the unit turns out to be a lemon, but there is no way we can
>say it just looking at the pictures ...
>
>What do you propose, that the seller should have stopped at $500 and ask
>people not to bid anymore? I am sorry, but I have to disagree.
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of neil lipes
>Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:12 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
>
>
>Derrick:
>
>I do not know who the stupid party is, the buyer, because he/she stupidly
>paid way to much for this item, or the seller for ripping off a stupid
>uninformed public!
>
>
>
> >From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:13:28 -0400
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageNa
>me=STRK:MEWA:IT
> >
> >Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From nevcooper at g3lmo.com  Thu Aug  5 14:40:33 2004
From: nevcooper at g3lmo.com (Nev Cooper)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:40:33 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
References: <BAY2-F39O794BE0rPLi0002df89@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c47ae9$677f9680$20dc89d9@nevpc>

DTG:  05082004/1230Z/1330BST

Yep..........Have to agree with you Stan.   Some people (in the city that
never sleeps perhaps?) are getting a little paranoid about getting
themselves "ripped off" me thinks.  Perhaps it happens there more than
anywhere else, so they become a little over cautious.......Who know the deep
routed reasons for such attitudes. As you say Stan, perhaps at least half of
the bidders (say 15?) had no idea what they were doing in the opinion of
some? Maybe that will take their own advise with regard to E-Bay, and start
making inflated profits themselves........then no more need to go "into the
city" hey?   Make a fortune from home without leaving the armchair by just
buying and selling just Nak Dragon's ;-)  ;-)

Neil
UK

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From: neil lipes <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon


> Stan:
>
> I consider the entire e-bay "experience" fraught with so many ways to get
> "screwed" that calling it a "den of thieves" would not be farfetched!
>
> Where else are "we" asked to "trust" a complete stranger and fork over
hard
> earned cash and trust that the seller is 100% truthful. I can not tell you
> how many reel to reel ads I read and the seller has the balls to say ...I
do
> not have a tape to test, or it lights up, or looks like it fully
> functions...what in the world is looks like supposed to impart?  Not trust
I
> can assure you that!
>
> The "safe harbor" aspect of e-bay is a joke!  They(e-bay) are concerned
with
> only one thing...continuing to collect fees from sellers.... Buyers should
> only consider auctions that allow credit cards...this way one can invoke
the
> help of the bank if the mdse. purchased is junk or is doa!
>
> The next time to go to a store to purchase any item of substance, just
give
> the store your money, do not actually see it or check it out...this is
> exactly what you do when you participate in e-bay auctions...
>
> Off to fight the traffic here in the city that never sleeps.
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:16:05 -0500
> >
> >Why do you suggest that the seller is ripping off uninformed public?
> >
> >I would agree that including the remote on the picture and then stating
> >that
> >it was extra was tricky, but other than that, there have been 31 bids.
And,
> >in my opinion, someone who is shelling out $1,000+ on a 15+ year old tape
> >deck better know what he is doing, and should not be uninformed. This can
> >be
> >a rip off if the unit turns out to be a lemon, but there is no way we can
> >say it just looking at the pictures ...
> >
> >What do you propose, that the seller should have stopped at $500 and ask
> >people not to bid anymore? I am sorry, but I have to disagree.
> >
> >Stan
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >Behalf Of neil lipes
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:12 PM
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> >
> >
> >Derrick:
> >
> >I do not know who the stupid party is, the buyer, because he/she stupidly
> >paid way to much for this item, or the seller for ripping off a stupid
> >uninformed public!
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> > >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:13:28 -0400
> > >
> >
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageNa
> >me=STRK:MEWA:IT
> > >
> > >Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Aug  5 14:48:17 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:48:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFOENKCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <BAY2-F13lVv8b8rBMYn00040c8f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805084156.0268a450@psulias.psu.edu>

I've seen Dragons in similar condition with all the extras, including 
remote and alignment tapes for well under $1000 (usually go for 700-800), 
and your run of the mill Dragon $400-$500.  There also is no guarantee with 
the item.  Somthing I would want at that price.

I have no problem with the seller getting whatever he can get, I'm just 
shocked someone went that high on this particular item.

BTW, does the remote for the TA-4 control the Dragon or CR-7 through a 
patch cord?

At 04:16 PM 8/4/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Why do you suggest that the seller is ripping off uninformed public?
>
>I would agree that including the remote on the picture and then stating that
>it was extra was tricky, but other than that, there have been 31 bids. And,
>in my opinion, someone who is shelling out $1,000+ on a 15+ year old tape
>deck better know what he is doing, and should not be uninformed. This can be
>a rip off if the unit turns out to be a lemon, but there is no way we can
>say it just looking at the pictures ...
>
>What do you propose, that the seller should have stopped at $500 and ask
>people not to bid anymore? I am sorry, but I have to disagree.
>
>Stan



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Aug  5 14:50:07 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:50:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F39O794BE0rPLi0002df89@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805084914.026bf048@psulias.psu.edu>

Personally I think the risk of Ebay is worth the opportunity to buy stuff 
one in State College, PA would not normally be able to buy.  Namely 
electronics from a company other than Sony.

At 06:24 AM 8/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Stan:
>
>I consider the entire e-bay "experience" fraught with so many ways to get 
>"screwed" that calling it a "den of thieves" would not be farfetched!
>
>Where else are "we" asked to "trust" a complete stranger and fork over 
>hard earned cash and trust that the seller is 100% truthful. I can not 
>tell you how many reel to reel ads I read and the seller has the balls to 
>say ...I do not have a tape to test, or it lights up, or looks like it 
>fully functions...what in the world is looks like supposed to impart?  Not 
>trust I can assure you that!
>
>The "safe harbor" aspect of e-bay is a joke!  They(e-bay) are concerned 
>with only one thing...continuing to collect fees from sellers.... Buyers 
>should only consider auctions that allow credit cards...this way one can 
>invoke the help of the bank if the mdse. purchased is junk or is doa!
>
>The next time to go to a store to purchase any item of substance, just 
>give the store your money, do not actually see it or check it out...this 
>is exactly what you do when you participate in e-bay auctions...
>
>Off to fight the traffic here in the city that never sleeps.
>
>Neil
>
>
>>From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
>>Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:16:05 -0500
>>
>>Why do you suggest that the seller is ripping off uninformed public?
>>
>>I would agree that including the remote on the picture and then stating that
>>it was extra was tricky, but other than that, there have been 31 bids. And,
>>in my opinion, someone who is shelling out $1,000+ on a 15+ year old tape
>>deck better know what he is doing, and should not be uninformed. This can be
>>a rip off if the unit turns out to be a lemon, but there is no way we can
>>say it just looking at the pictures ...
>>
>>What do you propose, that the seller should have stopped at $500 and ask
>>people not to bid anymore? I am sorry, but I have to disagree.
>>
>>Stan
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of neil lipes
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:12 PM
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
>>
>>
>>Derrick:
>>
>>I do not know who the stupid party is, the buyer, because he/she stupidly
>>paid way to much for this item, or the seller for ripping off a stupid
>>uninformed public!
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
>> >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:13:28 -0400
>> >
>> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageNa
>>me=STRK:MEWA:IT
>> >
>> >Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  5 17:18:53 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:18:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMENJCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV18bqJGNzsc0001faf2@hotmail.com>

Much better sounding that any Akai (Roberts) or Teak!!! Also a 10A  is
possible!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel


> Tandberg TD20 should also do the job ...
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:20 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>
>
> Look for a Teac X2000 or Akai 747.
>
>
> >From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
> >
> >I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
> >
> >What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be comparable
to
> >a CR-7A?
> >
> >Roland
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  5 17:22:43 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:22:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
References: <20040805001254.SGHA8791.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12prR0E6fa00098192@hotmail.com>

I agree with you 100%! "Virgins"...after near 20 years ago!!! It's almost
extremely "HARD"..to find!! However, as a few of our members
wrote...Presentation....SELLS!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon


> Alex,  the guy never says he's the original owner, he said he hand carried
in into the headquarters at Torrance Californian MANY YEARS AGO.
>
> Taken from the ad
>
> > It has been taken into the Nakamichi headquarters in Torrance,
California, in person, for maintenance and fine turning and tweaking the
auto azimuth system. Many years ago, they let me in to the tech department
and I watched the technician tweak this machine in my presence.<
>
> So it looks like a 'virgin'?  So did my sister at age 30 but it was 14
years too late.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > Date: 2004/08/04 Wed PM 04:00:59 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> >
> > Why Insane...Derrick?
> >
> > By the attached photos, looks as a "Virgin"...one!!! Mine gifted ones (I
> > don't pay a penny for it...!), show his 20 years of being boxed..., here
all
> > the push buttons...looks extremely nicer...!
> > What I can tell you...If some one wanted...he pays!!!
> >
> > Happy listening,
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:13 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> >
> >
> > >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5712271646&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
> > >
> > > Sold for $1025!  Insane.  Usually go for 1/2 that.
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Aug  5 16:50:27 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:50:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMENJCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c47afb$8c0c1ac0$c6a94e51@oemcomputer>

What about spare for these beasties?  I suppose that's where ReVox is going
to score high again?

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Stan Targowski
> Sent: 04 August 2004 19:27
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>
>
> Tandberg TD20 should also do the job ...
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:20 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>
>
> Look for a Teac X2000 or Akai 747.
>
>
> >From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
> >
> >I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
> >
> >What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be
> comparable to
> >a CR-7A?
> >
> >Roland
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Aug  5 16:50:30 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:50:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F39O794BE0rPLi0002df89@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c47afb$8d636d60$c6a94e51@oemcomputer>

I think that's a bit unfair on eBay.  The thing I like about eBay is that it
has a certain element of democracy about it, what with the feedback system:
Your peers on eBay can write you up and they can write you down, and
everyone is able to see the comments that have been written about you, too.
Behave badly on eBay and, if you don't apologise damned quick, the whole
World can know about your error!  I have also known a few people to get
thrown off eBay, too, so they ain't quite as toothless as might be assumed.
In fact, I was instrumental in getting one guy suspended quite recently
after I complained that his contact e-mail address did not work.  (It
bounced back all the e-mails.)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of neil lipes
> Sent: 05 August 2004 11:25
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
>
>
> Stan:
>
> I consider the entire e-bay "experience" fraught with so many ways to get
> "screwed" that calling it a "den of thieves" would not be farfetched!
>
> Where else are "we" asked to "trust" a complete stranger and fork
> over hard
> earned cash and trust that the seller is 100% truthful. I can not
> tell you
> how many reel to reel ads I read and the seller has the balls to
> say ...I do
> not have a tape to test, or it lights up, or looks like it fully
> functions...what in the world is looks like supposed to impart?
> Not trust I
> can assure you that!
>
> The "safe harbor" aspect of e-bay is a joke!  They(e-bay) are
> concerned with
> only one thing...continuing to collect fees from sellers....
> Buyers should
> only consider auctions that allow credit cards...this way one can
> invoke the
> help of the bank if the mdse. purchased is junk or is doa!
>
> The next time to go to a store to purchase any item of substance,
> just give
> the store your money, do not actually see it or check it out...this is
> exactly what you do when you participate in e-bay auctions...
>
> Off to fight the traffic here in the city that never sleeps.
>
> Neil
>
>
> >From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:16:05 -0500
> >
> >Why do you suggest that the seller is ripping off uninformed public?
> >
> >I would agree that including the remote on the picture and then stating
> >that
> >it was extra was tricky, but other than that, there have been 31
> bids. And,
> >in my opinion, someone who is shelling out $1,000+ on a 15+ year old tape
> >deck better know what he is doing, and should not be uninformed.
> This can
> >be
> >a rip off if the unit turns out to be a lemon, but there is no way we can
> >say it just looking at the pictures ...
> >
> >What do you propose, that the seller should have stopped at $500 and ask
> >people not to bid anymore? I am sorry, but I have to disagree.
> >
> >Stan
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> >Behalf Of neil lipes
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:12 PM
> >To: naktalk at naks.com
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> >
> >
> >Derrick:
> >
> >I do not know who the stupid party is, the buyer, because he/she stupidly
> >paid way to much for this item, or the seller for ripping off a stupid
> >uninformed public!
> >
> >
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Aug  5 21:22:29 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:22:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
Message-ID: <2256-411288F5-199@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>

Regarding e-bay,i would have to say that I Mostly agree with Stan T.I
havea feedack rating of 36 now(my user I.D is 626doveplace).I am am
always extremely careful to describe what i sell accurately,and not
ommiting any pertinant details.I also pack my items very well and use
delivery confirmation.That being said,nearly everything  I have
purchased was a ripp-off. I have learned that
to a certain degree,you can protect yourself."Caveat Emptor",as is
said.I have learned to mistrust large volume sellers.A negative will not
hurt them at all.Not too long ago i purchased a vintage telephone radio
which was said to work.The guy threw it in a box with no packing and
upon reiept it did not work ,and the seller asked me to claim
insurance-a scam.I could have demanded that it be packed well,and also
asked questions such as "does it recieve several stations loud and
clear,and" when did you last listen to it".I remember he told me when I
complained-and i Quote"its fro the 1970's-I don't think they had A.M
radio stations back then"!! I didnt hit him wth a negative cause i didnt
want retaliation since it would slam my feedback..The only negative i
have was buying a phono needle that was claie dto be mint and new/never
used.when i recieved it it was well used.I had topay shipping back both
ways.I could have checked the picture and demanded a garuntee that if
the item was not as described then she would at least pay shipping
back.I bought a "Genuine " US military shovel that turned out to be made
in taiwan-she claimed  she didnt know,but again,i probably cpould have
determined that before i sent her the money with carefull questions and
requests of another picture,and a demand for full refund with sipping if
the item was not 100 perent authentic. I also bought a book where the
seller used the flsh in the picture to look like a light spot only to
cover upa major blemish on the item which was undescribed-becarefull
with those pics and ask for another from a different angle.Anything not
absolutely fully disclsed or described in full detail is most likely
hiding or omitting a detail with intent to defraud a buyer.By the
way-e-bay is dead-i am severly disapointed with it.Noone is buying
anything uness it is super collectible,and then,in general,not for very
much.if you can find a nice item,it is defifnitely a buyers market,but i
thnk stan is right-most of theselleres are rip-offs. 

thank you very much,
gerald



From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  5 16:38:59 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:38:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1HE1Ngd7KU9aZ0006e626@hotmail.com>

Alex:

Next time you are in NYC, please contact me...I have both of those machines, 
plus another Teac and a 45 year-old Roberts..I think you will change your 
mind!


>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:18:53 +0200
>
>Much better sounding that any Akai (Roberts) or Teak!!! Also a 10A  is
>possible!!
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:26 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>
>
> > Tandberg TD20 should also do the job ...
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of neil lipes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:20 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> >
> >
> > Look for a Teac X2000 or Akai 747.
> >
> >
> > >From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> > >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
> > >
> > >I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
> > >
> > >What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be 
>comparable
>to
> > >a CR-7A?
> > >
> > >Roland
> > >
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From britri at comcast.net  Thu Aug  5 21:08:55 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:08:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFMENJCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
	<BAY18-DAV18bqJGNzsc0001faf2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <411285C7.1090305@comcast.net>

When you look at the frequency response of r-r, look at the low side.  I 
have many teac x1000r's and the freq response is 50-20,000.  A good Nak 
will go lower than 50, I think.

Brian

Alex Cozac wrote:
> Much better sounding that any Akai (Roberts) or Teak!!! Also a 10A  is
> possible!!
> 
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> 
> 
> 
>>Tandberg TD20 should also do the job ...
>>
>>Stan
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>>Behalf Of neil lipes
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:20 AM
>>To: naktalk at naks.com
>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>>
>>
>>Look for a Teac X2000 or Akai 747.
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
>>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>>Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>>>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
>>>
>>>I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
>>>
>>>What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be comparable
>>
> to
> 
>>>a CR-7A?
>>>
>>>Roland
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  5 22:20:02 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:20:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Amps
Message-ID: <BAY2-F24DN4CxpAOAkK000001ae@hotmail.com>

All:

Have a mint pair of Audio Research black mono V-140 amps for sale ....have 
apx.445 hours on the KT-90 tubes..want to sell these to a good home, and 
would prefer not going the e-bay route.

Contact me off list for the speal...and yes I will throw in a "Ginsu" knife 
if you act now!

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From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com  Thu Aug  5 22:36:39 2004
From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:36:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
In-Reply-To: <2256-411288F5-199@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <MEBBIBMDCGCOFIIPGEODMEKMCBAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>

Having read the previous posts on ebay I would like to add that my own
experiences have ranged from being "cynically stiffed"
 through to "couldn't ask for better". On balance, I think that there have
been more genuine bargains than lemons and I have picked up some things that
I would have been unlikely to find anywhere else. The main principle would
seem to be to only expect exactly what is shown or described and regard the
description as enthusiastically optimistic in tone. It also would appear
that most ebayers will answer truthfully if cornered by a direct question.
Even so, I think that I would be reluctant to buy anything very expensive on
ebay.
Doug Locke.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Gerald G.
Sent: 05 August 2004 20:22
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON


Regarding e-bay,i would have to say that I Mostly agree with Stan T.I
havea feedack rating of 36 now(my user I.D is 626doveplace).I am am
always extremely careful to describe what i sell accurately,and not
ommiting any pertinant details.I also pack my items very well and use
delivery confirmation.That being said,nearly everything  I have
purchased was a ripp-off. I have learned that
to a certain degree,you can protect yourself."Caveat Emptor",as is
said.I have learned to mistrust large volume sellers.A negative will not
hurt them at all.Not too long ago i purchased a vintage telephone radio
which was said to work.The guy threw it in a box with no packing and
upon reiept it did not work ,and the seller asked me to claim
insurance-a scam.I could have demanded that it be packed well,and also
asked questions such as "does it recieve several stations loud and
clear,and" when did you last listen to it".I remember he told me when I
complained-and i Quote"its fro the 1970's-I don't think they had A.M
radio stations back then"!! I didnt hit him wth a negative cause i didnt
want retaliation since it would slam my feedback..The only negative i
have was buying a phono needle that was claie dto be mint and new/never
used.when i recieved it it was well used.I had topay shipping back both
ways.I could have checked the picture and demanded a garuntee that if
the item was not as described then she would at least pay shipping
back.I bought a "Genuine " US military shovel that turned out to be made
in taiwan-she claimed  she didnt know,but again,i probably cpould have
determined that before i sent her the money with carefull questions and
requests of another picture,and a demand for full refund with sipping if
the item was not 100 perent authentic. I also bought a book where the
seller used the flsh in the picture to look like a light spot only to
cover upa major blemish on the item which was undescribed-becarefull
with those pics and ask for another from a different angle.Anything not
absolutely fully disclsed or described in full detail is most likely
hiding or omitting a detail with intent to defraud a buyer.By the
way-e-bay is dead-i am severly disapointed with it.Noone is buying
anything uness it is super collectible,and then,in general,not for very
much.if you can find a nice item,it is defifnitely a buyers market,but i
thnk stan is right-most of theselleres are rip-offs.

thank you very much,
gerald



From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  5 22:40:03 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:40:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
Message-ID: <BAY16-F12aexdDAO2Rp00000640@hotmail.com>

I've had both good and bad experiences with ebay. It is definitely a place 
where one takes one's chances like buying stuff out of a van by the side of 
the road or at a sidewalk vendor. One is never quite sure whether it's a 
legit offering or a seedy operation as one tries to remain hopeful that it 
isn't a fence for second-rate, defective or hot goods.

Of course, those of us in this forum, whom are passionate about our Naks and 
other audio equipment are audiophiles willing to pay a fair price and just 
as likely to ask a fair price when selling our things. We're enthusiasts 
sharing our enjoyment.

I find than more often than not on ebay and similar auctions, though,  the 
passion is unloading something from yesterday's thrift store for as much 
money as possible to the unwary.

When an item receives lots of bids for well above its rational value (like 
that 1000ZXL (?) a few months ago) it makes me wonder if many of those bids 
(and perhaps ratings) are orchestrated to give a bogus image of demand for 
the item like the frenzy at art and celebrity auctions. How much is dearly 
departed Elvis' guitar pick really worth?

So, "caveat emptor" (let the buyer beware) to anyone buying audio gear 
unseen or untested directly by the purchaser because the only thing worse 
than buying a lemon locally is to buy a lemon from the other side of the 
world, pay customs on an inflated value and have it shipped to you. 
Fortunately I haven't yet had that experience.

Regards to all,

Bob

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  6 01:45:16 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:45:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
References: <BAY2-F1HE1Ngd7KU9aZ0006e626@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV93h3vLgAus000006d5@hotmail.com>

Hi...,dear Roland,

For the moment seems me improbable to be at NYC so soon! As I live in
Israel, and yet thanks to a an very rich classroom friend, I was able to
visit my native born country Peru...after 42 years, my first overseas trip
after so much time...!. But be 100% sure Roland, that I will keep this
letter if I will win a Lottery...?, so I will be glad to meet you...and have
a long productive chat on R to R issue, and once I stated I have in
possession and use a Revox A-36 (Tube) tape...replaced by a A-77 with Dolby
Mk-3 unit...after a A-700 two track one..and my last one was a lovely Crow
822 model also a two track one!...after that I enter to the cassette issue
with my first Nak Tri-Tracer 700 machine...and so till again this year with
a gifted Dragon unit.

>From the Holy Land with my ultimate best wishes...!

Heart fully,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel-to-reel


> Alex:
>
> Next time you are in NYC, please contact me...I have both of those
machines,
> plus another Teac and a 45 year-old Roberts..I think you will change your
> mind!
>
>
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:18:53 +0200
> >
> >Much better sounding that any Akai (Roberts) or Teak!!! Also a 10A  is
> >possible!!
> >
> >ALEX!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:26 PM
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> >
> >
> > > Tandberg TD20 should also do the job ...
> > >
> > > Stan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of neil lipes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:20 AM
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> > >
> > >
> > > Look for a Teac X2000 or Akai 747.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> > > >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
> > > >
> > > >I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
> > > >
> > > >What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be
> >comparable
> >to
> > > >a CR-7A?
> > > >
> > > >Roland
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Fri Aug  6 01:01:36 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:01:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805084156.0268a450@psulias.psu.edu>
References: <BAY2-F13lVv8b8rBMYn00040c8f@hotmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040805084156.0268a450@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040805184645.02253008@pop.iquebec.com>

At 08:48 08/05/2004, you wrote:
>BTW, does the remote for the TA-4 control the Dragon or CR-7 through a 
>patch cord?

Yes. All you need is an SRC-1 8-pin DIN cable to go between TA-4 and 
cassette deck. This cable was normally supplied with TA-4 when new.




From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  5 23:22:57 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:22:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
Message-ID: <BAY16-F390aImPiZxOA000009c0@hotmail.com>

Indeed ReVox A-77, B77, the Studer line and similar can be fine machines 
often with spares available with a bit of searching and generous spending. 
Keep in mind that often these workhorses get heavy, constant use for years 
(sometimes decades) on end by radio stations and studios so that a complete 
rebuild may be necessary to bring the specifications in line with an 
audiophile deck which has received gentler home usage. Depending on how 
fancy or not you need the deck to be, a basic Teac or Akai GX-4000D may meet 
one's needs inexpensively. With quality outboard noise reduction and fast 
tape speed the moderately priced decks can sound very good compared to the 
big priced machines.

Bring along a good , replaceable demo tape to test the sound and transport 
reliability.
Be sure to check for head wear, squeaky (dried out) clutches (like my A-77 
before restoration) , deteriorated rubber parts, and dried out electrolytic 
capacitors. Those ReVox motors are built like tanks so chances are if 
they're still quiet and smooth they're okay. An advantage to ReVox is the 
modular plug-in boards which makes restoration much easier though the 
"bakelite" type plastic sockets for those boards can become brittle after 30 
or 40 years. Watch out for heavy wear or your repair bench will soon look 
just like the exploded diagram you're using to track down all those new (and 
hopefully still available) parts.

Regards,

Bob


>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:50:27 +0100
>
>What about spare for these beasties?  I suppose that's where ReVox is going
>to score high again?
>
>Gra'
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Fri Aug  6 02:35:19 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:35:19 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
In-Reply-To: <MEBBIBMDCGCOFIIPGEODMEKMCBAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
References: <MEBBIBMDCGCOFIIPGEODMEKMCBAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
Message-ID: <p06010200bd3880b364fe@[192.168.0.7]>

I also find it necessary to check out the Ebay seller's ratings and 
ask questions.

I have had the experience of poor packing on a computer and the 
seller replying to my bad rating with a bad rating to me. But I 
bought a perfectly working LX-3 for Aus$51 and a 582 in good 
condition but with a record fault for Aus$71 incl freight. The seller 
reported the fault and offered a refund if required.
An Australian dollar is worth US70c. If the bid goes too high I wait 
for another opportunity.

David

>Having read the previous posts on ebay I would like to add that my own
>experiences have ranged from being "cynically stiffed"
>  through to "couldn't ask for better". On balance, I think that there have
>been more genuine bargains than lemons and I have picked up some things that
>I would have been unlikely to find anywhere else. The main principle would
>seem to be to only expect exactly what is shown or described and regard the
>description as enthusiastically optimistic in tone. It also would appear
>that most ebayers will answer truthfully if cornered by a direct question.
>Even so, I think that I would be reluctant to buy anything very expensive on
>ebay.
>Doug Locke.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
>Behalf Of Gerald G.
>Sent: 05 August 2004 20:22
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
>
>
>Regarding e-bay,i would have to say that I Mostly agree with Stan T.I
>havea feedack rating of 36 now(my user I.D is 626doveplace).I am am
>always extremely careful to describe what i sell accurately,and not
>ommiting any pertinant details.I also pack my items very well and use
>delivery confirmation.That being said,nearly everything  I have
>purchased was a ripp-off. I have learned that
>to a certain degree,you can protect yourself."Caveat Emptor",as is
>said.I have learned to mistrust large volume sellers.A negative will not
>hurt them at all.Not too long ago i purchased a vintage telephone radio
>which was said to work.The guy threw it in a box with no packing and
>upon reiept it did not work ,and the seller asked me to claim
>insurance-a scam.I could have demanded that it be packed well,and also
>asked questions such as "does it recieve several stations loud and
>clear,and" when did you last listen to it".I remember he told me when I
>complained-and i Quote"its fro the 1970's-I don't think they had A.M
>radio stations back then"!! I didnt hit him wth a negative cause i didnt
>want retaliation since it would slam my feedback..The only negative i
>have was buying a phono needle that was claie dto be mint and new/never
>used.when i recieved it it was well used.I had topay shipping back both
>ways.I could have checked the picture and demanded a garuntee that if
>the item was not as described then she would at least pay shipping
>back.I bought a "Genuine " US military shovel that turned out to be made
>in taiwan-she claimed  she didnt know,but again,i probably cpould have
>determined that before i sent her the money with carefull questions and
>requests of another picture,and a demand for full refund with sipping if
>the item was not 100 perent authentic. I also bought a book where the
>seller used the flsh in the picture to look like a light spot only to
>cover upa major blemish on the item which was undescribed-becarefull
>with those pics and ask for another from a different angle.Anything not
>absolutely fully disclsed or described in full detail is most likely
>hiding or omitting a detail with intent to defraud a buyer.By the
>way-e-bay is dead-i am severly disapointed with it.Noone is buying
>anything uness it is super collectible,and then,in general,not for very
>much.if you can find a nice item,it is defifnitely a buyers market,but i
>thnk stan is right-most of theselleres are rip-offs.
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 18:33:08 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:33:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
Message-ID: <20040805163309.XBCI20883.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

I am seriously considering a B215 for second deck.


> 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2004/08/05 Thu AM 10:50:27 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> 
> What about spare for these beasties?  I suppose that's where ReVox is going
> to score high again?
> 
> Gra'
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Stan Targowski
> > Sent: 04 August 2004 19:27
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> >
> >
> > Tandberg TD20 should also do the job ...
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of neil lipes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:20 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> >
> >
> > Look for a Teac X2000 or Akai 747.
> >
> >
> > >From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> > >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
> > >
> > >I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
> > >
> > >What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be
> > comparable to
> > >a CR-7A?
> > >
> > >Roland
> >
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 19:51:17 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:51:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
Message-ID: <20040805175118.XZMB20883.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Neil,  I have not had a lot of problems on eBay because I used my brain before I bid.  What you are saying is absolutely accurate.  eBay only cares about collecting fees.  Safe Harbor is a complete joke.  I've reported numerous scams and the auctions play on.

It is a 'den of thieves' but it's the responsibility of the bidder to have some good thoughts.  I've had problems with 'good' sellers.  They advertise a new item.  To me it means sealed.  When I receive it, it is not sealed.  The seller says "Well, it is like new".  Some people don't seem to know that new is new and sealed, like new is used but in new condition.


> 
> From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
> Date: 2004/08/05 Thu AM 06:24:55 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow - Dragon
> 
> Stan:
> 
> I consider the entire e-bay "experience" fraught with so many ways to get 
> "screwed" that calling it a "den of thieves" would not be farfetched!
> 
> Where else are "we" asked to "trust" a complete stranger and fork over hard 
> earned cash and trust that the seller is 100% truthful. I can not tell you 
> how many reel to reel ads I read and the seller has the balls to say ...I do 
> not have a tape to test, or it lights up, or looks like it fully 
> functions...what in the world is looks like supposed to impart?  Not trust I 
> can assure you that!
> 
> The "safe harbor" aspect of e-bay is a joke!  They(e-bay) are concerned with 
> only one thing...continuing to collect fees from sellers.... Buyers should 
> only consider auctions that allow credit cards...this way one can invoke the 
> help of the bank if the mdse. purchased is junk or is doa!
> 
> The next time to go to a store to purchase any item of substance, just give 
> the store your money, do not actually see it or check it out...this is 
> exactly what you do when you participate in e-bay auctions...
> 
> Off to fight the traffic here in the city that never sleeps.
> 
> Neil


Roland



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Aug  5 21:42:37 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:42:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
Message-ID: <20040805194237.GPQG14787.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Jerry, I completely agree with the 'claim a scam'.  They put anything in the box and they think it's YOUR responsibility because YOU paid the insurance.

Here's the law.  There are two laws regarding this issue, one is transport and the other is destination claims.  On eBay, regardless of what the seller dictates or disclaims, it is NOT your item until you receive it.  That is called transport responsibility and he is responsible until it reaches your door and must be in advertised condition.  If you have someone ship something you already own, then it's destination claim and YOU are responsible from the time it reaches the shipper.

No matter what bull they put in the ad, the law is the law.




> 
> From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
> Date: 2004/08/05 Thu PM 03:22:29 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
> 
> Regarding e-bay,i would have to say that I Mostly agree with Stan T.I
> havea feedack rating of 36 now(my user I.D is 626doveplace).I am am
> always extremely careful to describe what i sell accurately,and not
> ommiting any pertinant details.I also pack my items very well and use
> delivery confirmation.That being said,nearly everything  I have
> purchased was a ripp-off. I have learned that
> to a certain degree,you can protect yourself."Caveat Emptor",as is
> said.I have learned to mistrust large volume sellers.A negative will not
> hurt them at all.Not too long ago i purchased a vintage telephone radio
> which was said to work.The guy threw it in a box with no packing and
> upon reiept it did not work ,and the seller asked me to claim
> insurance-a scam.I could have demanded that it be packed well,and also
> asked questions such as "does it recieve several stations loud and
> clear,and" when did you last listen to it".I remember he told me when I
> complained-and i Quote"its fro the 1970's-I don't think they had A.M
> radio stations back then"!! I didnt hit him wth a negative cause i didnt
> want retaliation since it would slam my feedback..The only negative i
> have was buying a phono needle that was claie dto be mint and new/never
> used.when i recieved it it was well used.I had topay shipping back both
> ways.I could have checked the picture and demanded a garuntee that if
> the item was not as described then she would at least pay shipping
> back.I bought a "Genuine " US military shovel that turned out to be made
> in taiwan-she claimed  she didnt know,but again,i probably cpould have
> determined that before i sent her the money with carefull questions and
> requests of another picture,and a demand for full refund with sipping if
> the item was not 100 perent authentic. I also bought a book where the
> seller used the flsh in the picture to look like a light spot only to
> cover upa major blemish on the item which was undescribed-becarefull
> with those pics and ask for another from a different angle.Anything not
> absolutely fully disclsed or described in full detail is most likely
> hiding or omitting a detail with intent to defraud a buyer.By the
> way-e-bay is dead-i am severly disapointed with it.Noone is buying
> anything uness it is super collectible,and then,in general,not for very
> much.if you can find a nice item,it is defifnitely a buyers market,but i
> thnk stan is right-most of theselleres are rip-offs. 
> 
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Aug  6 02:12:10 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:12:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV93h3vLgAus000006d5@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F1HE1Ngd7KU9aZ0006e626@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805201122.01da8340@pop.east.cox.net>

Alex,

You got the wrong guy!!  But thanks anyway!


, it's At 01:45 AM 8/6/2004 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi...,dear Roland,
>
>For the moment seems me improbable to be at NYC so soon! As I live in
>Israel, and yet thanks to a an very rich classroom friend, I was able to
>visit my native born country Peru...after 42 years, my first overseas trip
>after so much time...!. But be 100% sure Roland, that I will keep this
>letter if I will win a Lottery...?, so I will be glad to meet you...and have
>a long productive chat on R to R issue, and once I stated I have in
>possession and use a Revox A-36 (Tube) tape...replaced by a A-77 with Dolby
>Mk-3 unit...after a A-700 two track one..and my last one was a lovely Crow
>822 model also a two track one!...after that I enter to the cassette issue
>with my first Nak Tri-Tracer 700 machine...and so till again this year with
>a gifted Dragon unit.
>
> >From the Holy Land with my ultimate best wishes...!
>
>Heart fully,
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "neil lipes" <neillipes628 at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 4:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
>
>
> > Alex:
> >
> > Next time you are in NYC, please contact me...I have both of those
>machines,
> > plus another Teac and a 45 year-old Roberts..I think you will change your
> > mind!
> >
> >
> > >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> > >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:18:53 +0200
> > >
> > >Much better sounding that any Akai (Roberts) or Teak!!! Also a 10A  is
> > >possible!!
> > >
> > >ALEX!
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Stan Targowski" <stan.targowski at comcast.net>
> > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:26 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tandberg TD20 should also do the job ...
> > > >
> > > > Stan
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of neil lipes
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:20 AM
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Look for a Teac X2000 or Akai 747.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
> > > > >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:11:23 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >I know a few weeks ago, you gents were chatting about RTR's.
> > > > >
> > > > >What should I be looking for in one of those units that'll be
> > >comparable
> > >to
> > > > >a CR-7A?
> > > > >
> > > > >Roland
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From lists at richardhess.com  Fri Aug  6 08:55:19 2004
From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:55:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] reel-to-reel
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F390aImPiZxOA000009c0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040805235103.05fa8268@127.0.0.1>

My two favorite reel-to-reel machines are the Studer A810 and the Sony 
APR-5003V. I wouldn't pass up a good A820 or Ampex ATR-100 for the right 
price, but these two machines have achieved a "cult" status and bring far 
higher prices than the above-mentioned ones. I do my own maintenance. Parts 
are harder to come by.

I also have Studer A807s and Studer is still supporting these. I use them 
for tape prep and other utility tasks. I do transfers with the A810s and APRs.

Both are available in good condition (from time to time) and in beater 
condition. I have some of each.

A good A810 or APR-5003V is a joy to use.

I have a wide variety of plug-in head assemblies for each machine. The Sony 
even remembers the calibration settings from one head assembly to the next.

See http://www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm

I'm moving. The new facility will be nicer as the new home has a basement. 
The Otaris are gone (and forgotten except for the photo on that page).

Cheers,

Richard

At 04:22 PM 8/5/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Indeed ReVox A-77, B77, the Studer line and similar can be fine machines 
>often with spares available with a bit of searching and generous spending. 
>Keep in mind that often these workhorses get heavy, constant use for years 
>(sometimes decades) on end by radio stations and studios so that a 
>complete rebuild may be necessary to bring the specifications in line with 
>an audiophile deck which has received gentler home usage. Depending on how 
>fancy or not you need the deck to be, a basic Teac or Akai GX-4000D may 
>meet one's needs inexpensively. With quality outboard noise reduction and 
>fast tape speed the moderately priced decks can sound very good compared 
>to the big priced machines.




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Fri Aug  6 18:10:50 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:10:50 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
References: <MEBBIBMDCGCOFIIPGEODMEKMCBAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
Message-ID: <008501c47bd0$4657f500$61299bca@aisha>


Yup, I'm continuously amazed how people can actually send thousands $$
payment to some stranger over a deal of unseen item.  Even if it's in my
neighborhood I would definitely want to personally inspect any expensive
stuff before buying.  Well I'll make an exception if I'm a rich guy in upper
State College =)  but I agree that we'd need to take 'overly optimistic'
approach for ebay description.

Going back to the not so rare but $1000 dragon deck, I believe that on ebay
*great picture* sells !!  My favorite is to find a nice item (from a 'nice'
seller) with no pictures on the page =)  Apart from the skyhigh shipping
costs to this part of the world, my personal experience with ebay have been
very good.  Quite ironic, considering without ebay in this life I would
still have plenty of cash balance in my bank account.

Have a great weekend !
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Locke" <doug at whiteapple.u-net.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:36 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON


> Having read the previous posts on ebay I would like to add that my own
> experiences have ranged from being "cynically stiffed"
>  through to "couldn't ask for better". On balance, I think that there have
> been more genuine bargains than lemons and I have picked up some things
that
> I would have been unlikely to find anywhere else. The main principle would
> seem to be to only expect exactly what is shown or described and regard
the
> description as enthusiastically optimistic in tone. It also would appear
> that most ebayers will answer truthfully if cornered by a direct question.
> Even so, I think that I would be reluctant to buy anything very expensive
on
> ebay.
> Doug Locke.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On












From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Aug  6 21:35:54 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:35:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Up date
References: <MEBBIBMDCGCOFIIPGEODMEKMCBAA.doug@whiteapple.u-net.com>
	<008501c47bd0$4657f500$61299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <00c901c47bec$979aa810$69773242@CopyTech>

Fellows:

First of all, my apologies for delivery delays. I've been so busy lately
that all I have to do is pack the sets in the envelopes and take it to the
post office. My kids are back to school now,so, it is up to me now.

Anyway, you are gonna like these sets. As soon as you start receiving it,
please, inform it on the list.

Again, my apologies for been so "lazy".

Thanks,

Carlos



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Aug  6 23:33:10 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:33:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
In-Reply-To: <008501c47bd0$4657f500$61299bca@aisha>
Message-ID: <001801c47bfc$f8966f40$4a7c893e@oemcomputer>

The good thing about living in the UK is that travel to the USA is cheap.
So, if anyone tries an eBay auction rip-off with some expensive bit of kit,
it's just a short flight over The Pond to visit the miscreant with a
baseball bat, break a few bones, take in some sights and fly home again !!
:o)

Graham
Capo - Merseyside Mafia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Salim Marzuki
> Sent: 06 August 2004 17:11
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
>
>
>
> Yup, I'm continuously amazed how people can actually send thousands $$
> payment to some stranger over a deal of unseen item.  Even if it's in my
> neighborhood I would definitely want to personally inspect any expensive
> stuff before buying.  Well I'll make an exception if I'm a rich
> guy in upper
> State College =)  but I agree that we'd need to take 'overly optimistic'
> approach for ebay description.
>
> Going back to the not so rare but $1000 dragon deck, I believe
> that on ebay
> *great picture* sells !!  My favorite is to find a nice item
> (from a 'nice'
> seller) with no pictures on the page =)  Apart from the skyhigh shipping
> costs to this part of the world, my personal experience with ebay
> have been
> very good.  Quite ironic, considering without ebay in this life I would
> still have plenty of cash balance in my bank account.
>
> Have a great weekend !
> Salim SM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Locke" <doug at whiteapple.u-net.com>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re-WOW-DRAGON
>
>
> > Having read the previous posts on ebay I would like to add that my own
> > experiences have ranged from being "cynically stiffed"
> >  through to "couldn't ask for better". On balance, I think that
> there have
> > been more genuine bargains than lemons and I have picked up some things
> that
> > I would have been unlikely to find anywhere else. The main
> principle would
> > seem to be to only expect exactly what is shown or described and regard
> the
> > description as enthusiastically optimistic in tone. It also would appear
> > that most ebayers will answer truthfully if cornered by a
> direct question.
> > Even so, I think that I would be reluctant to buy anything very
> expensive
> on
> > ebay.
> > Doug Locke.

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sat Aug  7 09:42:40 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:42:40 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Up date
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D63D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Carlos you're never lazy, just too busy.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Saturday, 7 August 2004 5:36
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Up date


Fellows:

First of all, my apologies for delivery delays. I've been so busy lately
that all I have to do is pack the sets in the envelopes and take it to the
post office. My kids are back to school now,so, it is up to me now.

Anyway, you are gonna like these sets. As soon as you start receiving it,
please, inform it on the list.

Again, my apologies for been so "lazy".

Thanks,

Carlos

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Aug  7 12:19:38 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 12:19:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: Fuji FR-I Super: Gra' and Kent
Message-ID: <s114c8e1.085@mroute.sunint.co.za>



>>> Mark Hugo 08/07/04 11:10AM >>>
Hi Kent and Graham,

The following are the lab stats and brief commentary for the Fuji FR-1
Super:
(Sorry about the tardiness - basically a whole week in wage negs at Sun
City is something of a humour-killer!

The FR-1 Super is has much common ground with the JP-1s Extraslim. 
Tonally it lies in that higher performance category than the entry level
DR-1x and much better than a straightforward DR-1.

Max Bass/mid Level      +3.0 dB
Max Treble level            +1.4 dB
Dynamic Range             56.7 dB

This is a good tape for the jazz fan or for recordings of baroque,
classical guitar, simpler instrumentals which need good levels of HF
energy.  This is due to it's higher than usual sensitivity (than average
type 1s) and better than usual dynamic range also.  Compare this with a
TDK D of 55.7dB.  It's much closer to a TDK AD, and more compatible with
Dolby NR (than AD).  However, Dolby-free recording will be well-served
due to tracking errors being more obvious on high-sensitivity
formulations.

Sound-wise, expect a fresh, very positive sounding tape, with a
tolerance for nudging the recording level peaks a little into the red
without undue stress.  Also you can expect the usual Fuji durability.

Cheers,

Marc



>>> "Kent Merideth" <khmerideth at anderson.edu> 08/02/04 02:50PM >>>
Hello Marc,

Would it be possible to have a copy of the report on the Fuji FR-1
Super you are forwarding to Graham?  Would greatly appreciate it if
you
can.  Your contributions to Naktalk are quite valuable and
enlightening.
 Thank you for your participation in the "exchange".  I don't get
involved with the discussions during the summer months, as that is
when
I'm the busiest, running cabling for the network, on campus.  Have a
great week and Enjoy the Music!

Kent Merideth

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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Aug  8 00:51:12 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:51:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] NAK DM-7 C.D. Player
Message-ID: <2790-41155CE0-4913@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>

just got back from the local thrift store.I was doing my usual
vulture-scavenging when what to my wandering eyes did appear but a
beautiful mint Nakamichi DM7 c.d. Player with RM-7remote.The unit is
near mint,and i have checked all functions  and it works perfectly.I
cannot figure out how to get fresh batteries in the remote though. Did I
pay too much- 20.00? .If anyone wants a pic of this sweetie,i will be
glad to send one. It replaces a decent Pioneer weighing in at 10
Lbs..The Nak weighs a little over 15 lbs.Anyone need a Pioneer in
excellent condition?Unfortunately i will not be able to listen to the
new marathon C.D.'s on my new NAK because of Compatability problems-too
bad it wont play cd-r's/rw's.This unit sounds SO sweet through my
(EV7-b's)! These are kind of obsolete now i guess cause theyonly play
pre-recorded c.d.'s.

thank you very much,
gerald



From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Aug  8 07:25:09 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:25:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project, Ebay
Message-ID: <002801c47d08$12e78670$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hey Carlos, Mr. Bleus, and Ebayers,

Not to worry El Magnifico, with the effort you put into these projects, you are more than entitled to fit it to your schedule.....and thank you again!  I am looking forward to getting my copy.  As soon as they arrive here in Calif., the SF Session participants will forward the track information on to Mr Bleus for inclusion in the track list......thank you also Mr. Bleus for taking on that task in such a professional way.

I'm sorry, but I have forgotten now who it was that created those very nice jewel case inserts for the first project, but thank you also, and I hope you are still there and planning to do the same for this one!

On the subject of Ebay, you must keep in mind that it is like a giant garage sale for people to unload things they no longer need or want.  If you are reasonably careful you can avoid most problems.  It is usually pretty obvious if someone is trying to hide something, play ignorant, or really is ignorant, and you just don't bid on those items no matter how badly you want to believe they are okay.  I have had mostly good results on ebay both buying and selling, and I try to be meticulous in my own descriptions.  As such, I have kept 100% positive feedback.  I have only gotten ripped off twice so far out of many hundreds of transactions, and one outcome is actually still pending.  

The one confirmed bad experience involved a monitor from a group in Az. that just never delivered in spite of complaints to ebay, paypal, the internet fraud site of the justice dept:  http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp , and the Az attorney generals office who ultimately informed me they could not locate the party.  In spite of that, I feel in the long run, I have saved much much more on the successfull transactions, and it also creates a market for your left overs that before ebay simply did not exist.  Where would you have bought or sold Naks without ebay?  Local want ads simply do not provide an adequate market, even for those of us who live in large metro areas.

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Aug  8 20:50:13 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:50:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project, Ebay
References: <002801c47d08$12e78670$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <002001c47d78$8a825000$12773242@CopyTech>

Good point there Kent. I have had many good experiences at ebay with some usual "Like Mint" items that when arrived were pure junk, like a Revox B 710 once that didn't even rewind the tape and it was "like new" as the guy said. Ha !

Bleus is the expert on the inserts thing.

Carlos
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  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project, Ebay


  Hey Carlos, Mr. Bleus, and Ebayers,

  Not to worry El Magnifico, with the effort you put into these projects, you are more than entitled to fit it to your schedule.....and thank you again!  I am looking forward to getting my copy.  As soon as they arrive here in Calif., the SF Session participants will forward the track information on to Mr Bleus for inclusion in the track list......thank you also Mr. Bleus for taking on that task in such a professional way.

  I'm sorry, but I have forgotten now who it was that created those very nice jewel case inserts for the first project, but thank you also, and I hope you are still there and planning to do the same for this one!

  On the subject of Ebay, you must keep in mind that it is like a giant garage sale for people to unload things they no longer need or want.  If you are reasonably careful you can avoid most problems.  It is usually pretty obvious if someone is trying to hide something, play ignorant, or really is ignorant, and you just don't bid on those items no matter how badly you want to believe they are okay.  I have had mostly good results on ebay both buying and selling, and I try to be meticulous in my own descriptions.  As such, I have kept 100% positive feedback.  I have only gotten ripped off twice so far out of many hundreds of transactions, and one outcome is actually still pending.  

  The one confirmed bad experience involved a monitor from a group in Az. that just never delivered in spite of complaints to ebay, paypal, the internet fraud site of the justice dept:  http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp , and the Az attorney generals office who ultimately informed me they could not locate the party.  In spite of that, I feel in the long run, I have saved much much more on the successfull transactions, and it also creates a market for your left overs that before ebay simply did not exist.  Where would you have bought or sold Naks without ebay?  Local want ads simply do not provide an adequate market, even for those of us who live in large metro areas.

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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Mon Aug  9 00:29:26 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:29:26 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D63F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Sorry for the off topic. Has anyone had any experiences with long delays
(over two weeks) on sending items overseas via airmail?

	Regards 

Tom Siomopoulos


From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Aug  9 00:47:01 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:47:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
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Very rarely, Tom, although I hear that items going to some countries can be
delayed due to heightened security checks - e.g. to USA and Israel.    I'd
guess the more rare occurrences are more like what happens to luggage when
we fly to Greece and our luggage goes to Zanzibar!

Gra'

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  9 02:06:36 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:06:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
References: <000001c47d99$9e5ed5a0$ab6c893e@oemcomputer>
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Hi Graham & Thom,

As Graham stated, is true however can happen also when the person that
"wrote" you that he sent..he doesn't!
Or instead Air mail...was sent by Surface...if that's is what really happen,
can take a month or more also..depends from where you ordered!

My heart fully advice be patiently.

ALEX!
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Subject: RE: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries


> Very rarely, Tom, although I hear that items going to some countries can
be
> delayed due to heightened security checks - e.g. to USA and Israel.    I'd
> guess the more rare occurrences are more like what happens to luggage when
> we fly to Greece and our luggage goes to Zanzibar!
>
> Gra'
>
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> >
> > Sorry for the off topic. Has anyone had any experiences with long delays
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From fractal2000 at terra.com.br  Mon Aug  9 03:02:04 2004
From: fractal2000 at terra.com.br (Daniel Ravazzi)
Date: Sun,  8 Aug 2004 22:02:04 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
Message-ID: <I25MVG$86538BA7FE89A5E630F7C0D8218CFCAA@terra.com.br>

Sometimes I send packages to USA/Europe from my country by airmail and it delay more than 2 weeks...sometimes more than a month....but normally it delay about 15 days.

best regards,
Daniel

Data: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:06:36 +0200
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries

> Hi Graham & Thom,
> 
> As Graham stated, is true however can happen also when the person that
> "wrote" you that he sent..he doesn't!
> Or instead Air mail...was sent by Surface...if that's is what really happen,
> can take a month or more also..depends from where you ordered!
> 
> My heart fully advice be patiently.
> 
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
> 
> 
> > Very rarely, Tom, although I hear that items going to some countries can
> be
> > delayed due to heightened security checks - e.g. to USA and Israel.    I'd
> > guess the more rare occurrences are more like what happens to luggage when
> > we fly to Greece and our luggage goes to Zanzibar!
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> > > Sent: 08 August 2004 23:29
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> > > Subject: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry for the off topic. Has anyone had any experiences with long delays
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From wdrewes at iafrica.com  Mon Aug  9 11:46:09 2004
From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WME Drewes)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:46:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
References: <000001c47d99$9e5ed5a0$ab6c893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001701c47df5$b34c5440$83241ec4@drewescomp>

Australia to South Africa--airmail +- 7days
USA to South Africa --very rarely more than 10 days(usually 6 days)
USA to South Africa--Surface mail (Naks from Stephen Sank) 3 MONTHS ! I kid
not! ' happened on 3 occassions,they were faster in 1870 !
UK,Germany to  South Africa --airmail 5 to 6 days.
Israel,Yugoslavia,Italy to South Africa--approx 10 days
Imagine the 3 month wait for a cherished Dragon,what that does to your
nerves!
Walter

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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:47 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries


> Very rarely, Tom, although I hear that items going to some countries can
be
> delayed due to heightened security checks - e.g. to USA and Israel.    I'd
> guess the more rare occurrences are more like what happens to luggage when
> we fly to Greece and our luggage goes to Zanzibar!
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> > Sent: 08 August 2004 23:29
> > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail)
> > Subject: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the off topic. Has anyone had any experiences with long delays
> > (over two weeks) on sending items overseas via airmail?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Tom Siomopoulos
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Mon Aug  9 19:07:31 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:07:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 reviews
Message-ID: <9592-4117AF53-1063@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>

hello,i found some ZX-9 reviews and there are some people on there
including Bleus,i think,doing extremely favourable reviews,saying it is
the very best recording deck of any NAK,including dragon but not
including the 1000zxl. They also say that it sounds the best(with
material also recorded on the ZX-9) and is the best built deck.Go to
"ecoustics.com" and type in nakamichi Zx-9 into the search box.

thank you very much,
gerald

thank you very much,
gerald



From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Mon Aug  9 19:00:39 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:00:39 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
References: <000001c47d99$9e5ed5a0$ab6c893e@oemcomputer>
	<001701c47df5$b34c5440$83241ec4@drewescomp>
Message-ID: <005701c47e3e$0f670b60$70299bca@aisha>


Wow ... Walter, you sure keep South Africa courier carrier busy !!!

Ground from anywhere also takes 3 months to Indonesia.  As for airmail I
noticed that at times there were slight delay, especially war times early
this year.

BTW I just received my first ebay Nak deck from US, BX 300 won back in Dec
2000.  It even went by air ... my friend insisted to hand carry it since
shipping cost $40, for a $50 deck.

Cheers,
Salim SM


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From: "WME Drewes" <wdrewes at iafrica.com>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries


> Australia to South Africa--airmail +- 7days
> USA to South Africa --very rarely more than 10 days(usually 6 days)
> USA to South Africa--Surface mail (Naks from Stephen Sank) 3 MONTHS ! I
kid
> not! ' happened on 3 occassions,they were faster in 1870 !
> UK,Germany to  South Africa --airmail 5 to 6 days.
> Israel,Yugoslavia,Italy to South Africa--approx 10 days
> Imagine the 3 month wait for a cherished Dragon,what that does to your
> nerves!
> Walter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
>
>
> > Very rarely, Tom, although I hear that items going to some countries can
> be




From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Aug  9 20:35:19 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:35:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
In-Reply-To: <001701c47df5$b34c5440$83241ec4@drewescomp>
Message-ID: <000001c47e3f$9f981480$31864c51@oemcomputer>

Surface mail from the US to the UK can take up to 3 months, too.  I'm sure
even the North Atlantic convoys of 1939-1944 didn't take that long ... And
they still charge an arm and a leg for the privilege.  Shipping costs from
Australia are actually cheaper than from the USA.  (Plus the voltage is 240v
as well!)

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of WME Drewes
> Sent: 09 August 2004 10:46
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Airmail deliveries
>
>
> Australia to South Africa--airmail +- 7days
> USA to South Africa --very rarely more than 10 days(usually 6 days)
> USA to South Africa--Surface mail (Naks from Stephen Sank) 3
> MONTHS ! I kid
> not! ' happened on 3 occassions,they were faster in 1870 !
> UK,Germany to  South Africa --airmail 5 to 6 days.
> Israel,Yugoslavia,Italy to South Africa--approx 10 days
> Imagine the 3 month wait for a cherished Dragon,what that does to your
> nerves!
> Walter
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Aug  9 20:35:23 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:35:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 reviews
In-Reply-To: <9592-4117AF53-1063@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000101c47e3f$a1a808c0$31864c51@oemcomputer>

One of those reviews is by our very own Mr Bleus using a pseudonym and there
is also a certain Patrick Doktor - he was referring to TvdH modified
Nakamichi's including two of his ZX-9s, one of which he subsequently sold to
me.

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 09 August 2004 18:08
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 reviews
>
>
> hello,i found some ZX-9 reviews and there are some people on there
> including Bleus,i think,doing extremely favourable reviews,saying it is
> the very best recording deck of any NAK,including dragon but not
> including the 1000zxl. They also say that it sounds the best(with
> material also recorded on the ZX-9) and is the best built deck.Go to
> "ecoustics.com" and type in nakamichi Zx-9 into the search box.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Tue Aug 10 04:26:55 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:26:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tapes MkII (Proj Logistics)
Message-ID: <001d01c47e81$82996b30$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Being a staunch analogue supporter, I will offer to design a nice Marathon MkII j-card insert for cassette.  Didn't Ron H or Karl Heinz H prepare some nice cdr inserts for Marathon MkI?  

And when the SF fellows have their playlist compiled, I'll post that info to the Marathon Tapes Project webpages.

Meanwhile, have alook at what we have there so far.  Anytime you guys are ready, we'll post the extras.  

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html

Please contact me if you have any updates or corrections.

Regards,

Bleus



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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:50:13 -0700
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project, Ebay
To: <rjkent at comcast.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Message-ID: <002001c47d78$8a825000$12773242 at CopyTech>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Good point there Kent. I have had many good experiences at ebay with some usual "Like Mint" items that when arrived were pure junk, like a Revox B 710 once that didn't even rewind the tape and it was "like new" as the guy said. Ha !

Bleus is the expert on the inserts thing.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:25 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project, Ebay

Hey Carlos, Mr. Bleus, and Ebayers,

Not to worry El Magnifico, with the effort you put into these projects, you are more than entitled to fit it to your schedule.....and thank you again!  I am looking forward to getting my copy.  As soon as they arrive here in Calif., the SF Session participants will forward the track information on to Mr Bleus for inclusion in the track list......thank you also Mr. Bleus for taking on that task in such a professional way.


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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Wed Aug 11 22:39:23 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:39:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] server problems?
Message-ID: <10255-411A83FB-813@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>

just wondering why the Naktalk has been down the last couple of
weeks?And by the way,has everyone upgraded to the new format c.d.players
yet,or will everyone be listening to the Marathon Tapes through their
dvd players like me.If only my OM-7S could play them!!I I usually leave
this forum to you techies unless i have a serious question,but since
Audiotalk is down i will post alittle off topic stuff,O.K?Also,on the
AIrMAIL issue,i recently sent 5 pounds of Vinyl to South Africa and it
was sent by boat -cost 21.00 with no tracking,and i couldnt afford the
air-mail on my budget.I didnt really believe the clerk when he said 3
months,but apparently it is so! 

thank you very much,
gerald



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Aug 13 04:19:17 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:19:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] where is everyone?
Message-ID: <14147-411C2525-3557@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net>

a fart can't exist in a vacuum..anyway im looking for reviews on the
high end NAKAMICHI C.D. players.I am the proud faTHER OF a newly arrived
15 lb NAK> OM-7S.I now see why others have said there is no difference
between analouge and digital excepting the source material.whats the
best c.d. r.w player under 500.00?

thank you very much,
gerald



From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Fri Aug 13 14:44:52 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:44:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <14147-411C2525-3557@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net>
References: <14147-411C2525-3557@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040813083920.02153ec0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 22:19 08/12/2004, you wrote:
>a fart can't exist in a vacuum..anyway im looking for reviews on the
>high end NAKAMICHI C.D. players.I am the proud faTHER OF a newly arrived
>15 lb NAK> OM-7S.I now see why others have said there is no difference
>between analouge and digital excepting the source material.whats the
>best c.d. r.w player under 500.00?
>
>thank you very much,
>gerald

Hi Gerald,

you must be talking about the OMS-7, not OM-7S. Did you get the first 
generation OMS-7 or the more recent OMS-7-II? Let us know. I'll be away for 
a few days but I'll look up my archives and see what I might have for you 
to read when I come back.

Cheers!

-Marc




From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Aug 13 16:32:39 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:32:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] OMS-7
Message-ID: <000e01c48142$62da8810$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Gerald,

You're into an interesting topic here.  I've thought about the OMS-7, but do not have one.  I would be very interested in other peoples views on the relative playback quality of high end dedicated CD players such as the OMS-7, and the current crop of high end multi-format players.  I have a Pioneer Elite DV-47Ai and a DV-45A, both of which can play SACD as well as CD-R, and of course DVD.  These players seem to play very well and it seems that the limiting factor for .wav CDs may be the 44100Hz sample rate and 16bit resolution rather than the quality of the electronics. Cost wise, you can go much much higher than $500 for current multi-format models, but does it really make a difference.....for .wav CDs, and are they better or worse than older players such as the OMS-7?

Robert Kent
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Fri Aug 13 18:40:27 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:40:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon vs RX-505
Message-ID: <001101c48154$3e79c460$c46423c8@g8nsv>

Hi guys!!!!

Is it a stupid idea to compare the DRAGON with the RX-505???
Can you give the pros and consof each one????
This one may be very interesting though

Isy
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Sat Aug 14 02:50:46 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:50:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon vs RX-505
In-Reply-To: <001101c48154$3e79c460$c46423c8@g8nsv>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEOOCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

Dragon
- precise calibration system allowing optimal bias and level adjustment for
any tape type
- NAAC, computer controlled automatic azymuth control system allowing best
possible playback regardless of recording tape deck
- extremely accurate direct drive system with the lowest wow & flutter
(0.019% WRMS)
- 20-22,000 Hz +/-3 db frequency response

RX505
- less money
- unidirectional auto-reverse - a feast to anyone's eyes
- simpler, i.e., fewer parts to go wrong
- in a sense a BX-300 sans direct drive with the auto-reverse system

For pure sonic performance the following are CLEARLY better than RX-505 ...
ZX9, ZX7, CR7, CR4, 680ZX, 682ZX (I would also dare to say CR5, BX300)
It would be arguable if any of the above are better sonically than the
Dragon ...


Depends what you want ...
- Dragon for pure performance PLUS best playback of tapes recorded anywhere
- RX505 for the most original autoreverse there is ...


  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Isy Fidelman
  Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:40 AM
  To: Naktalk mailinglist
  Subject: [naktalk] Dragon vs RX-505


  Hi guys!!!!

  Is it a stupid idea to compare the DRAGON with the RX-505???
  Can you give the pros and consof each one????
  This one may be very interesting though

  Isy
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 14 14:01:12 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:01:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon vs RX-505
References: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFEEOOCDAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV7DvN9C1W2E00028020@hotmail.com>

Completely Agree!

However, the 100ZXL sound better that another Nak machine! Once, two decades ago; I make a close test among the Dragon and a 100ZXL the "Normal"...not fancy Gold Plated, and sorry to my hear the 100ZXL was a real winner!!!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stan Targowski 
  To: Isy Fidelman ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:50 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon vs RX-505


  Dragon
  - precise calibration system allowing optimal bias and level adjustment for any tape type
  - NAAC, computer controlled automatic azymuth control system allowing best possible playback regardless of recording tape deck
  - extremely accurate direct drive system with the lowest wow & flutter (0.019% WRMS)
  - 20-22,000 Hz +/-3 db frequency response

  RX505
  - less money
  - unidirectional auto-reverse - a feast to anyone's eyes
  - simpler, i.e., fewer parts to go wrong
  - in a sense a BX-300 sans direct drive with the auto-reverse system

  For pure sonic performance the following are CLEARLY better than RX-505 ...
  ZX9, ZX7, CR7, CR4, 680ZX, 682ZX (I would also dare to say CR5, BX300)
  It would be arguable if any of the above are better sonically than the Dragon ...


  Depends what you want ...
  - Dragon for pure performance PLUS best playback of tapes recorded anywhere
  - RX505 for the most original autoreverse there is ...


    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isy Fidelman
    Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:40 AM
    To: Naktalk mailinglist
    Subject: [naktalk] Dragon vs RX-505


    Hi guys!!!!

    Is it a stupid idea to compare the DRAGON with the RX-505???
    Can you give the pros and consof each one????
    This one may be very interesting though

    Isy


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From rjkent at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 14 16:28:03 2004
From: rjkent at sbcglobal.net (rjkent at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:28:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon v. RX-505
Message-ID: <000a01c4820a$e8a619a0$210110ac@gateway.2wire.net>

Hi Isy,

The Dragon and RX-505 are both excellent robust machines, and if you want a Nak with auto reverse, those are your choices.  The Dragon has automatic azimuth correction (NAAC) that works wonderfully if in proper repair (I had to send mine to ESL to make that happen), so it automatically compensates for allignment differences in the recorded tapes after reversing direction....actually, it is continuously making minor adjustments if needed.  The RX-505 takes a different approach to the problem of maintaining allignment after reversing.....it actually flips the tape around (very cool!) so that it maintains the same relationship to the fixed heads for both tape directions (Uni-directional auto-reverse).  It must be in proper repair and in correct allignment to function properly.

If you have a bunch of tapes of different manufacture and that were recorded on different machines, my choice would be the Dragon because it can automatically compensate for differences in your tapes, and extract the best possible playback quality with the least amount of effort.

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From park123 at cox.net  Sun Aug 15 06:21:32 2004
From: park123 at cox.net (Andrew Park)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:21:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette playback/Cassette input Monitor
Message-ID: <966DC15A-EE72-11D8-874B-000A956D1104@cox.net>

I have a Nak LX-5 3 head, with the ability to monitor input.  I have a 
high end cd player but I have been using Nak decks for the warmth they 
add to my CDs.  But is there a difference between the recorded tapes 
(recorded from the CDs) and the monitor, besides the static of the 
tape?  I was thinking of ditching the tapes and just using the deck and 
the cd player along with my CDs to get the same warmth and depth.

Thanks,
Andrew P.



From voogd at bluewin.ch  Mon Aug 16 22:47:57 2004
From: voogd at bluewin.ch (Herman Voogd)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:47:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon 
Message-ID: <opscuep70runvgel@mail.bluewin.ch>

Hello People,

I need some advice, I own a Dragon since one week that I bought at an HiFi  
shop here in Switzerland and the owner told me that it was completely  
serviced with new parts like the belt and pinch rollers,  it seems to work  
fine but today I noticed something that I can not explain. When I use  
Maxell or TDK Chrome Tapes of the latest make I calibrate the Dragon  
before I start recording, this works fine but if I check the calibration  
at the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore, the difference in the  
400Hz and 15 KHz is more then 3 dB. Also when I turn the cassette I have  
to calibrate the Dragon again. I cleaned al parts that have to be cleaned  
but this makes no difference, can anyone please advice me.

Ray




From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 17 00:44:21 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:44:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
References: <opscuep70runvgel@mail.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV7rcR4ZDgC80003354c@hotmail.com>

Hello Ray,

I also have a Dragon, however I never "Stop" the recording at the middle of
the tape...and check again the calibration! I calibrated at the beginning
EACH SIDE...it's very important!; and record till the side is
finish...change to side "B"...Calibrate again, (Minor "Bias"...change!!!),
and record till the side ended!
The final result is Amazing...So my dear Ray, believe me don't check each
time...run the whole side after make a most accurately calibration at least
the BIAS...you MUST wait till the "Right" green arrow stop winker...and show
a "Stable" green color...ONLY..after SO...you calibrate the "BIAS"
15Khz...slowly till show "0"...or stay so with a very small difference of
one line up or down...NEVER...will stay "STABLE"... at "0".

I hope that I help you?

Regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herman Voogd" <voogd at bluewin.ch>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon


> Hello People,
>
> I need some advice, I own a Dragon since one week that I bought at an HiFi
> shop here in Switzerland and the owner told me that it was completely
> serviced with new parts like the belt and pinch rollers,  it seems to work
> fine but today I noticed something that I can not explain. When I use
> Maxell or TDK Chrome Tapes of the latest make I calibrate the Dragon
> before I start recording, this works fine but if I check the calibration
> at the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore, the difference in the
> 400Hz and 15 KHz is more then 3 dB. Also when I turn the cassette I have
> to calibrate the Dragon again. I cleaned al parts that have to be cleaned
> but this makes no difference, can anyone please advice me.
>
> Ray
>
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From luis at peromarta.org  Mon Aug 16 23:04:05 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:04:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
In-Reply-To: <opscuep70runvgel@mail.bluewin.ch>
References: <opscuep70runvgel@mail.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <20040816210405.GA24004@peromarta.org>

Ray, 

Good to hear from you. Dragons are by far - in my humble opinion -  the
most accurate machines in terms of level (400Hz) and bias (15KHz)
tunning. However, I find to be quite "normal" the fact that tape
formulations vary from here to there, and even more often, electronics
suffer from thermal instabilities. 

So, never mind having to fine tune your level / bias settings, I
actually do it as much as every new tape I load in, even from very same
box.

I find the dragon to be the very best in terms of tape tunning. Nothing
comes near, as the old Guinness ad used to say ...

Best regards from Madrid. LP.


El 16/08/04 a las 22:47, voogd at bluewin.ch dijo : 

> Hello People,
> 
> I need some advice, I own a Dragon since one week that I bought at an HiFi  
> shop here in Switzerland and the owner told me that it was completely  
> serviced with new parts like the belt and pinch rollers,  it seems to work  
> fine but today I noticed something that I can not explain. When I use  
> Maxell or TDK Chrome Tapes of the latest make I calibrate the Dragon  
> before I start recording, this works fine but if I check the calibration  
> at the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore, the difference in the  
> 400Hz and 15 KHz is more then 3 dB. Also when I turn the cassette I have  
> to calibrate the Dragon again. I cleaned al parts that have to be cleaned  
> but this makes no difference, can anyone please advice me.
> 
> Ray
> 

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From utec at bluewin.ch  Mon Aug 16 23:55:07 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (Herman Voogd)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:55:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV7rcR4ZDgC80003354c@hotmail.com>
References: <opscuep70runvgel@mail.bluewin.ch>
	<BAY18-DAV7rcR4ZDgC80003354c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <opscuht5ylw0pivw@mail.bluewin.ch>

Hello Alex,

Thanks for your replay, I do the opperating exactely as you discribe, I  
also have the manual.
I just can not explaine why the record and bias level chanches during the  
middle and end of the tapes.
Just to be courious, thid you check this once on your Dragon? it can be  
that something is wrong with my one.

Regards, Ray







On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:44:21 +0200, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hello Ray,
>
> I also have a Dragon, however I never "Stop" the recording at the middle  
> of
> the tape...and check again the calibration! I calibrated at the beginning
> EACH SIDE...it's very important!; and record till the side is
> finish...change to side "B"...Calibrate again, (Minor  
> "Bias"...change!!!),
> and record till the side ended!
> The final result is Amazing...So my dear Ray, believe me don't check each
> time...run the whole side after make a most accurately calibration at  
> least
> the BIAS...you MUST wait till the "Right" green arrow stop winker...and  
> show
> a "Stable" green color...ONLY..after SO...you calibrate the "BIAS"
> 15Khz...slowly till show "0"...or stay so with a very small difference of
> one line up or down...NEVER...will stay "STABLE"... at "0".
>
> I hope that I help you?
>
> Regards,
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herman Voogd" <voogd at bluewin.ch>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:47 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
>
>
>> Hello People,
>>
>> I need some advice, I own a Dragon since one week that I bought at an  
>> HiFi
>> shop here in Switzerland and the owner told me that it was completely
>> serviced with new parts like the belt and pinch rollers,  it seems to  
>> work
>> fine but today I noticed something that I can not explain. When I use
>> Maxell or TDK Chrome Tapes of the latest make I calibrate the Dragon
>> before I start recording, this works fine but if I check the calibration
>> at the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore, the difference in  
>> the
>> 400Hz and 15 KHz is more then 3 dB. Also when I turn the cassette I have
>> to calibrate the Dragon again. I cleaned al parts that have to be  
>> cleaned
>> but this makes no difference, can anyone please advice me.
>>
>> Ray
>>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 17 03:44:51 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:44:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
References: <opscuep70runvgel@mail.bluewin.ch><BAY18-DAV7rcR4ZDgC80003354c@hotmail.com>
	<opscuht5ylw0pivw@mail.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV17Bu81NLNn00034162@hotmail.com>

Dear Ray,

You want to stop the recording in the middle and check the Level & Bias?
OK...only for satisfied you I will do it! and you will receive my diagnosis!

Till 2 days more,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herman Voogd" <utec at bluewin.ch>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon


> Hello Alex,
>
> Thanks for your replay, I do the opperating exactely as you discribe, I
> also have the manual.
> I just can not explaine why the record and bias level chanches during the
> middle and end of the tapes.
> Just to be courious, thid you check this once on your Dragon? it can be
> that something is wrong with my one.
>
> Regards, Ray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:44:21 +0200, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Ray,
> >
> > I also have a Dragon, however I never "Stop" the recording at the middle
> > of
> > the tape...and check again the calibration! I calibrated at the
beginning
> > EACH SIDE...it's very important!; and record till the side is
> > finish...change to side "B"...Calibrate again, (Minor
> > "Bias"...change!!!),
> > and record till the side ended!
> > The final result is Amazing...So my dear Ray, believe me don't check
each
> > time...run the whole side after make a most accurately calibration at
> > least
> > the BIAS...you MUST wait till the "Right" green arrow stop winker...and
> > show
> > a "Stable" green color...ONLY..after SO...you calibrate the "BIAS"
> > 15Khz...slowly till show "0"...or stay so with a very small difference
of
> > one line up or down...NEVER...will stay "STABLE"... at "0".
> >
> > I hope that I help you?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Herman Voogd" <voogd at bluewin.ch>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:47 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
> >
> >
> >> Hello People,
> >>
> >> I need some advice, I own a Dragon since one week that I bought at an
> >> HiFi
> >> shop here in Switzerland and the owner told me that it was completely
> >> serviced with new parts like the belt and pinch rollers,  it seems to
> >> work
> >> fine but today I noticed something that I can not explain. When I use
> >> Maxell or TDK Chrome Tapes of the latest make I calibrate the Dragon
> >> before I start recording, this works fine but if I check the
calibration
> >> at the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore, the difference in
> >> the
> >> 400Hz and 15 KHz is more then 3 dB. Also when I turn the cassette I
have
> >> to calibrate the Dragon again. I cleaned al parts that have to be
> >> cleaned
> >> but this makes no difference, can anyone please advice me.
> >>
> >> Ray
> >>
> >>
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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 17 08:16:29 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-15?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:16:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
References: <opscuep70runvgel@mail.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV4jsclWXSZ300007291@hotmail.com>

Hello Ray,
my opinion is that, simply the cassette has this annoying property.
Nowaday's cassettes may suffer from such "diseases".
European-made TDKs are known having such problems, but Maxell... ???

Can you tell us what exact types are these cassettes?
Maybe the TDK is the SA?
And the Maxell is the XLII S?

Thank you in advance for your answer.
Best regards,
István Sándor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herman Voogd" <voogd at bluewin.ch>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon


> Hello People,
>
> I need some advice, I own a Dragon since one week that I bought at an HiFi
> shop here in Switzerland and the owner told me that it was completely
> serviced with new parts like the belt and pinch rollers,  it seems to work
> fine but today I noticed something that I can not explain. When I use
> Maxell or TDK Chrome Tapes of the latest make I calibrate the Dragon
> before I start recording, this works fine but if I check the calibration
> at the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore, the difference in the
> 400Hz and 15 KHz is more then 3 dB. Also when I turn the cassette I have
> to calibrate the Dragon again. I cleaned al parts that have to be cleaned
> but this makes no difference, can anyone please advice me.
>
> Ray
>
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From utec at bluewin.ch  Tue Aug 17 08:31:03 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (utec at bluewin.ch)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:31:03 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-DAV4jsclWXSZ300007291@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40F7BFA6000DD24F@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>

Hi, István,

I use new Maxel XL IIS, TDK MA-R.
Both with the same results.
I tested Sony, and the TDK SA-X, all the same results.

Ray


>-- Original-Nachricht --
>From: Sándor István <sandorpistike at hotmail.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:16:29 +0200
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
>Hello Ray,
>my opinion is that, simply the cassette has this annoying property.
>Nowaday's cassettes may suffer from such "diseases".
>European-made TDKs are known having such problems, but Maxell... ???
>
>Can you tell us what exact types are these cassettes?
>Maybe the TDK is the SA?
>And the Maxell is the XLII S?
>
>Thank you in advance for your answer.
>Best regards,
>István Sándor
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Herman Voogd" <voogd at bluewin.ch>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:47 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
>
>
>> Hello People,
>>
>> I need some advice, I own a Dragon since one week that I bought at an
HiFi
>> shop here in Switzerland and the owner told me that it was completely
>> serviced with new parts like the belt and pinch rollers,  it seems to
work
>> fine but today I noticed something that I can not explain. When I use
>> Maxell or TDK Chrome Tapes of the latest make I calibrate the Dragon
>> before I start recording, this works fine but if I check the calibration
>> at the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore, the difference in
>the
>> 400Hz and 15 KHz is more then 3 dB. Also when I turn the cassette I have
>> to calibrate the Dragon again. I cleaned al parts that have to be cleaned
>> but this makes no difference, can anyone please advice me.
>>
>> Ray
>>
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From utec at bluewin.ch  Tue Aug 17 08:32:45 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (utec at bluewin.ch)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:32:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV17Bu81NLNn00034162@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40F7BFA6000DD291@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>

Hi Alex,

Yes please, I really am qurious what your Dragon is showing.

Thanks, Ray


>-- Original-Nachricht --
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:44:51 +0200
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
>Dear Ray,
>
>You want to stop the recording in the middle and check the Level & Bias?
>OK...only for satisfied you I will do it! and you will receive my diagnosis!
>
>Till 2 days more,
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Herman Voogd" <utec at bluewin.ch>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
>
>
>> Hello Alex,
>>
>> Thanks for your replay, I do the opperating exactely as you discribe,
I
>> also have the manual.
>> I just can not explaine why the record and bias level chanches during
the
>> middle and end of the tapes.
>> Just to be courious, thid you check this once on your Dragon? it can be
>> that something is wrong with my one.
>>
>> Regards, Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:44:21 +0200, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Ray,
>> >
>> > I also have a Dragon, however I never "Stop" the recording at the middle
>> > of
>> > the tape...and check again the calibration! I calibrated at the
>beginning
>> > EACH SIDE...it's very important!; and record till the side is
>> > finish...change to side "B"...Calibrate again, (Minor
>> > "Bias"...change!!!),
>> > and record till the side ended!
>> > The final result is Amazing...So my dear Ray, believe me don't check
>each
>> > time...run the whole side after make a most accurately calibration at
>> > least
>> > the BIAS...you MUST wait till the "Right" green arrow stop winker...and
>> > show
>> > a "Stable" green color...ONLY..after SO...you calibrate the "BIAS"
>> > 15Khz...slowly till show "0"...or stay so with a very small difference
>of
>> > one line up or down...NEVER...will stay "STABLE"... at "0".
>> >
>> > I hope that I help you?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > ALEX!
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Herman Voogd" <voogd at bluewin.ch>
>> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:47 PM
>> > Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello People,
>> >>
>> >> I need some advice, I own a Dragon since one week that I bought at
an
>> >> HiFi
>> >> shop here in Switzerland and the owner told me that it was completely
>> >> serviced with new parts like the belt and pinch rollers,  it seems
to
>> >> work
>> >> fine but today I noticed something that I can not explain. When I use
>> >> Maxell or TDK Chrome Tapes of the latest make I calibrate the Dragon
>> >> before I start recording, this works fine but if I check the
>calibration
>> >> at the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore, the difference
>in
>> >> the
>> >> 400Hz and 15 KHz is more then 3 dB. Also when I turn the cassette I
>have
>> >> to calibrate the Dragon again. I cleaned al parts that have to be
>> >> cleaned
>> >> but this makes no difference, can anyone please advice me.
>> >>
>> >> Ray
>> >>
>> >>
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From BADANTH at aol.com  Tue Aug 17 14:06:03 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:06:03 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone get their Marathon II Tapes?
Message-ID: <1ab.2804277c.2e534eab@aol.com>


I'm curious to know how they turned out and am still waiting for mine to 
arrive. I believe Carlos started sending them a couple of weeks ago, correct?

Regards,
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From hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar  Tue Aug 17 15:35:47 2004
From: hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar (Horacio Groppa)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:35:47 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Need help with my Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <001201c4845f$2ad554c0$0d772ac8@thiny>

Hello Ray,

>...I calibrate the Dragon before I start recording,
>this works fine but if I check the calibration at
>the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore...

I tend to think this is due to some characteristics
of the tape changing from one section to another.
Instead of recalibrating at the middle of the tape,
if you go back and check at the same point where
you performed the initial calibration, does it need
to be re-adjusted there too?

>Also when I turn the cassette I have to calibrate
>the Dragon again...

In a *new* (i.e., unused) tape, you would probably
find a similar behavior at both sides of the same
tape portion. Thus, you may also try this: calibrate
the tape at one side, then flip it over and check the
calibration at the other side (in the same portion of
the tape). Does it require noticeable recalibration? 

If the answer to both questions is negative, then
there's probably nothing wrong with your Dragon.

Hope it helps

Horacio
Buenos Aires




From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Aug 17 15:43:40 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 9:43:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Anyone get their Marathon II Tapes?
Message-ID: <20040817134340.PIQZ25497.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Anthony, not yet for me and yes, I believe it was two weeks ago.


> 
> From: BADANTH at aol.com
> Date: 2004/08/17 Tue AM 08:06:03 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Anyone get their Marathon II Tapes?
> 
> 
> I'm curious to know how they turned out and am still waiting for mine to 
> arrive. I believe Carlos started sending them a couple of weeks ago, correct?
> 
> Regards,
> Anthony
> 
> 

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From utec at bluewin.ch  Tue Aug 17 16:04:37 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (utec at bluewin.ch)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:04:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
In-Reply-To: <001201c4845f$2ad554c0$0d772ac8@thiny>
Message-ID: <40F7BFA6000E2746@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>

Hello Horacio,

When I calibrate at the beginning of the Tape and cheque this at a later
time all is ok, when I turn the tape to the B-side I calibrate again because
there is a difference with the A-side. To this point everything is stable.

What I also chequed yesterday evening with a oscilloscope is the Phase correction
system, I looked at the 15KHz signal at the output. What I noticed is that
the Dragon starts when jou push the record button with the correction, I
see the signal shifting from the left to the right, but after it completed
this task there is a Phase difference of about 15°, it overshoots the 0°
point.
I have to find out why and see if this can be corrected.

Ray
Electronic Engineer
Switzerland


>-- Original-Nachricht --
>From: "Horacio Groppa" <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:35:47 -0300
>Subject: [naktalk] RE: Need help with my Nak Dragon
>Reply-To: Horacio Groppa <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>,
>        Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
>Hello Ray,
>
>>...I calibrate the Dragon before I start recording,
>>this works fine but if I check the calibration at
>>the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore...
>
>I tend to think this is due to some characteristics
>of the tape changing from one section to another.
>Instead of recalibrating at the middle of the tape,
>if you go back and check at the same point where
>you performed the initial calibration, does it need
>to be re-adjusted there too?
>
>>Also when I turn the cassette I have to calibrate
>>the Dragon again...
>
>In a *new* (i.e., unused) tape, you would probably
>find a similar behavior at both sides of the same
>tape portion. Thus, you may also try this: calibrate
>the tape at one side, then flip it over and check the
>calibration at the other side (in the same portion of
>the tape). Does it require noticeable recalibration? 
>
>If the answer to both questions is negative, then
>there's probably nothing wrong with your Dragon.
>
>Hope it helps
>
>Horacio
>Buenos Aires
>
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Tue Aug 17 17:05:49 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:05:49 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Need help with my Nak Dragon
References: <001201c4845f$2ad554c0$0d772ac8@thiny>
Message-ID: <008f01c4846b$aefba130$1210a8c0@tg>

Ray,

Same happened with some recognised decks, also with some Naks.
Reason was miscalibration of the heads and also, especially tape
guide/transport guides (which is the worst case to correct!!!).

If above correctly aligned/calibrated no matter what type of tape or length
or what section you are recording.

It should never happen, especially talking about Dragon; quality of the
recording shud never drop at the middle or end or somewhere of the tape.
This is because of the misalignment of above parts, esp. tape guides, which
are effected by the pressure (or less pressure) of the wheels of the
cassette and tape being wound!!! Could be very difficult to cure
them....Good luck..

Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Horacio Groppa" <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:35 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Need help with my Nak Dragon


> Hello Ray,
>
> >...I calibrate the Dragon before I start recording,
> >this works fine but if I check the calibration at
> >the middle of the tape it is not correct anymore...
>
> I tend to think this is due to some characteristics
> of the tape changing from one section to another.
> Instead of recalibrating at the middle of the tape,
> if you go back and check at the same point where
> you performed the initial calibration, does it need
> to be re-adjusted there too?
>
> >Also when I turn the cassette I have to calibrate
> >the Dragon again...
>
> In a *new* (i.e., unused) tape, you would probably
> find a similar behavior at both sides of the same
> tape portion. Thus, you may also try this: calibrate
> the tape at one side, then flip it over and check the
> calibration at the other side (in the same portion of
> the tape). Does it require noticeable recalibration?
>
> If the answer to both questions is negative, then
> there's probably nothing wrong with your Dragon.
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Horacio
> Buenos Aires
>
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From hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar  Tue Aug 17 18:11:02 2004
From: hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar (Horacio Groppa)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:11:02 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
Message-ID: <004801c48474$f1d8b340$885a2ac8@thiny>

Hola Ray,

>..there is a Phase difference of about 15°...

Then I do appologize for my trivial suggestions and
wish you the best luck in getting your Lissajous
figures "straight".

Kind regards

Horacio
Buenos Aires



From luis at peromarta.org  Wed Aug 18 00:34:23 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:34:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
In-Reply-To: <40F7BFA6000E2746@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
References: <40F7BFA6000E2746@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <412287EF.2000501@peromarta.org>

Ray,

from my own experience calibrating different decks, a 15º phase shift @ 
15KHz is quite good. Believe me. There is just no enough resolution even 
by hand, and wow and flutter (even very low) put extra shifting.

The deck doesn't do phase correction. The dragon's NAAC adjusts the 
azimuth maximizing the output of frequencies higher - or around - 15KHz. 
At that maximum point - or say within 1% tolerance, phase shift occurs 
as much as +- 45º.

Does it always stops at 15º? Try this. Calibrate your favourite tape. 
Record on top of that a good few minutes of 15KHz test tone. If you have 
a signal generator, you may also want to try different signals, say 
10KHz and 18KHz, all of them @ -20db. play from the begining of the 
tape, and force azimuth correction by reversing tape motion of a few 
seconds and back.

If you have anything but your dragon, you may also want to try 
calibrating by hand, and let me know your results .... ;)

My 2c.

Luis Peromarta.


utec at bluewin.ch wrote:

> Hello Horacio,
> 
> When I calibrate at the beginning of the Tape and cheque this at a later
> time all is ok, when I turn the tape to the B-side I calibrate again because
> there is a difference with the A-side. To this point everything is stable.
> 
> What I also chequed yesterday evening with a oscilloscope is the Phase correction
> system, I looked at the 15KHz signal at the output. What I noticed is that
> the Dragon starts when jou push the record button with the correction, I
> see the signal shifting from the left to the right, but after it completed
> this task there is a Phase difference of about 15°, it overshoots the 0°
> point.
> I have to find out why and see if this can be corrected.
> 
> Ray
> Electronic Engineer
> Switzerland
> 




From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Wed Aug 18 01:28:51 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:28:51 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
Message-ID: <p06010203bd4842d307f9@[192.168.0.7]>

Here is a contradiction looking for wisdom.

I found on MrBleus Nakamichi Cyberspot information about 
demagnetising heads using Nak DM-10. What it says is contrary to the 
Nak advice for the 581 deck and Akai's advice on my old demagnetiser.

The DM-10 advice says to put the demag 'on the spot where a running 
tape makes contact' and then turn on the power switch.  The 581 (and 
Akai) advice says to turn on the demag while it is at least two feet 
away from the deck (likewise turning it off).  It ends by stating: 
"Never turn it off while it is close to a head or capstan as this may 
semi-permanently magnetize the part."

Wouldn't this apply also while turning it on close to the head??!!

BTW the maintenance guidelines on Mr Bleus site are very helpful. It 
would be good to see a link to it on the Naktalk site.

David


From angelricano at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 04:45:08 2004
From: angelricano at hotmail.com (Angel Ricano)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:45:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon
Message-ID: <BAY17-F3abAZBYfprSS0005487c@hotmail.com>

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From angelricano at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 04:54:03 2004
From: angelricano at hotmail.com (Angel W. Ricano)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:54:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon help
Message-ID: <BAY17-DAV6DUmBlF3a50001ba09@hotmail.com>

Ray,
Try a blank tape and then do the calibration and you will see that it will reach 0 db.
Angel
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From utec at bluewin.ch  Wed Aug 18 08:43:11 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (utec at bluewin.ch)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:43:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?
Message-ID: <40F7BFA6000E78DD@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>

I run a complete test on my Dragon and have found out what is wrong with
it.
The azimuths correction system (NAAC) can not work properly because of head
and tape guide mis-allayment.

The thing is that it damage my Metal Tapes by rippling them up at the edge
of the tape and then the tape is damaged, this is causing the Bias and Level
differences that I measured at the different tape spots.

I hope that someone knows the procedure to set up the mechanical alignments,
here in Switzerland it is difficult to find a experienced technician with
Naks.

Ray



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 10:31:29 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:31:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
References: <p06010203bd4842d307f9@[192.168.0.7]>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5hSpckRySX0003c145@hotmail.com>

Dear David,

Do it as advice on your Old Akai demagnetizer!!! Turn on as exactly advice
on your Akai instructions, and also when you finish...moving the "Rubber"
covered pointer near the heads...Pinch rollers and metal capstans...very
very slowly...take away extremely slowly from the heads and again switch off
at least two feet from the heads! What Akai once wrote, is 100%  correct &
safe.

Good Luck!

ALEX!
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From: "David Thompson" <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
To: "Naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:28 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising


> Here is a contradiction looking for wisdom.
>
> I found on MrBleus Nakamichi Cyberspot information about
> demagnetising heads using Nak DM-10. What it says is contrary to the
> Nak advice for the 581 deck and Akai's advice on my old demagnetiser.
>
> The DM-10 advice says to put the demag 'on the spot where a running
> tape makes contact' and then turn on the power switch.
 > "Never turn it off while it is close to a head or capstan as this may
semi-permanently magnetize the part."
The 581 (and > Akai) advice says to turn on the demag while it is at least
two feet
> away from the deck (likewise turning it off).  It ends by stating:

>
> Wouldn't this apply also while turning it on close to the head??!!
>
> BTW the maintenance guidelines on Mr Bleus site are very helpful. It
> would be good to see a link to it on the Naktalk site.
>
> David
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From ti at amb.org  Wed Aug 18 09:52:12 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:52:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
In-Reply-To: <412287EF.2000501@peromarta.org> from "Luis Peromarta" at Aug 18,
	2004 12:34:23 AM
Message-ID: <20040818075212.68B66D591@smtp.amb.org>

Luis Peromarta writes:
> The deck doesn't do phase correction. The dragon's NAAC adjusts the 
> azimuth maximizing the output of frequencies higher - or around - 15KHz. 
> At that maximum point - or say within 1% tolerance, phase shift occurs 
> as much as +- 45º.

I don't think that description is correct.

The Dragon's NAAC system actually corrects for azimuth errors by
comparing phase, not by attempting to achieve maximum treble output.

The right channel playback head on the Dragon is actually two
integrated heads in parallel with each other.  The two heads
read the right channel tape track simultaneously.  If the azimuth is
aligned perfectly, there should be no phase difference between the
outputs of the two heads.  If there is an alignment error, then the
comparator circuit that the two heads feed into will detect a phase shift
and activate the NAAC head alignment motor to rotate the head until the
phase shift is nulled out.

Very sophisticated stuff, especially in the early '80s when the Dragon
was first introduced.

-Ti


From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 11:17:06 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:17:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] HAN D Mag Kit with Magnetometer (Folks...This I own!)
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV162dIulddm0003c489@hotmail.com>


http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/handmagkitwi.html

Lovely friends,

This superb and expensive I own for more of 3 decades; factory wired 220
V.ac.

For me "The State of  Art"...in Demagnetizers!

Regards,

ALEX!


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From utec at bluewin.ch  Wed Aug 18 09:56:05 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (utec at bluewin.ch)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:56:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
In-Reply-To: <412287EF.2000501@peromarta.org>
Message-ID: <40F7BFA6000E86BA@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>

Hello Luis,

Thanks for your suggestions, yes I tried this and the NAAC work fine, I did
not now that a phase shift as much as +- 45º is ok, I thought to much as
an technician and wanted to have it perfect.

Well the bottom line is that all works fine but somehow my expensive brand-new
TDK MA-R tapes are getting damaged at the tape edge, then when I turn the
tape to the B-side recording is almost impossible due to this. I looked with
a magnifier and all seems mechanical good, so it must be the alignment of
the pinch rollers and heads.
The question now is where to start first and how to do this job.

Ray



>-- Original-Nachricht --
>Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:34:23 +0200
>From: Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
>Cc: Horacio Groppa <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
>Ray,
>
>from my own experience calibrating different decks, a 15º phase shift @

>15KHz is quite good. Believe me. There is just no enough resolution even
>
>by hand, and wow and flutter (even very low) put extra shifting.
>
>The deck doesn't do phase correction. The dragon's NAAC adjusts the 
>azimuth maximizing the output of frequencies higher - or around - 15KHz.
>
>At that maximum point - or say within 1% tolerance, phase shift occurs 
>as much as +- 45º.
>
>Does it always stops at 15º? Try this. Calibrate your favourite tape. 
>Record on top of that a good few minutes of 15KHz test tone. If you have
>
>a signal generator, you may also want to try different signals, say 
>10KHz and 18KHz, all of them @ -20db. play from the begining of the 
>tape, and force azimuth correction by reversing tape motion of a few 
>seconds and back.
>
>If you have anything but your dragon, you may also want to try 
>calibrating by hand, and let me know your results .... ;)
>
>My 2c.
>
>Luis Peromarta.
>
>
>utec at bluewin.ch wrote:
>
>> Hello Horacio,
>> 
>> When I calibrate at the beginning of the Tape and cheque this at a later
>> time all is ok, when I turn the tape to the B-side I calibrate again because
>> there is a difference with the A-side. To this point everything is stable.
>> 
>> What I also chequed yesterday evening with a oscilloscope is the Phase
>correction
>> system, I looked at the 15KHz signal at the output. What I noticed is
that
>> the Dragon starts when jou push the record button with the correction,
>I
>> see the signal shifting from the left to the right, but after it completed
>> this task there is a Phase difference of about 15°, it overshoots the
0°
>> point.
>> I have to find out why and see if this can be corrected.
>> 
>> Ray
>> Electronic Engineer
>> Switzerland
>> 
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 17:05:11 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:05:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?
References: <40F7BFA6000E78DD@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV8pq5mSCKV20003da2a@hotmail.com>

Hello Ray,

You wrote us, that the machine was serviced by a expert?, before you
acquired???
Did you have the Dragon's Service Manual? There must inform you how to do
it!

Inform us the results, so I clearly understand that I do not need to
"Play"....with my Dragon now?

Good Luck!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <utec at bluewin.ch>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:43 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?


> I run a complete test on my Dragon and have found out what is wrong with
> it.
> The azimuths correction system (NAAC) can not work properly because of
head
> and tape guide mis-allayment.
>
> The thing is that it damage my Metal Tapes by rippling them up at the edge
> of the tape and then the tape is damaged, this is causing the Bias and
Level
> differences that I measured at the different tape spots.
>
> I hope that someone knows the procedure to set up the mechanical
alignments,
> here in Switzerland it is difficult to find a experienced technician with
> Naks.
>
> Ray
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From utec at bluewin.ch  Wed Aug 18 18:29:17 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (Herman Voogd)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:29:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV8pq5mSCKV20003da2a@hotmail.com>
References: <40F7BFA6000E78DD@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
	<BAY18-DAV8pq5mSCKV20003da2a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <opscxr23hnw0pivw@mail.bluewin.ch>

Hi Alex,

Yes I shut get this week the Service Manual.

Ray

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:05:11 +0200, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hello Ray,
>
> You wrote us, that the machine was serviced by a expert?, before you
> acquired???
> Did you have the Dragon's Service Manual? There must inform you how to do
> it!
>
> Inform us the results, so I clearly understand that I do not need to
> "Play"....with my Dragon now?
>
> Good Luck!
>
> ALEX!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <utec at bluewin.ch>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:43 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?
>
>
>> I run a complete test on my Dragon and have found out what is wrong with
>> it.
>> The azimuths correction system (NAAC) can not work properly because of
> head
>> and tape guide mis-allayment.
>>
>> The thing is that it damage my Metal Tapes by rippling them up at the  
>> edge
>> of the tape and then the tape is damaged, this is causing the Bias and
> Level
>> differences that I measured at the different tape spots.
>>
>> I hope that someone knows the procedure to set up the mechanical
> alignments,
>> here in Switzerland it is difficult to find a experienced technician  
>> with
>> Naks.
>>
>> Ray
>>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 20:08:18 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:08:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?
References: <40F7BFA6000E78DD@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch><BAY18-DAV8pq5mSCKV20003da2a@hotmail.com>
	<opscxr23hnw0pivw@mail.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV8v6L6bOkiE0003efc3@hotmail.com>

Dear Ray,

I'm 100% sure, that with the Service Manual, you will able to adjust all the
defect by yourself...and after that...the machine will work as New!

Inform us after that all is OK; how sound?

Good Luck!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herman Voogd" <utec at bluewin.ch>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?


> Hi Alex,
>
> Yes I shut get this week the Service Manual.
>
> Ray
>
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:05:11 +0200, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Ray,
> >
> > You wrote us, that the machine was serviced by a expert?, before you
> > acquired???
> > Did you have the Dragon's Service Manual? There must inform you how to
do
> > it!
> >
> > Inform us the results, so I clearly understand that I do not need to
> > "Play"....with my Dragon now?
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > ALEX!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <utec at bluewin.ch>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:43 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?
> >
> >
> >> I run a complete test on my Dragon and have found out what is wrong
with
> >> it.
> >> The azimuths correction system (NAAC) can not work properly because of
> > head
> >> and tape guide mis-allayment.
> >>
> >> The thing is that it damage my Metal Tapes by rippling them up at the
> >> edge
> >> of the tape and then the tape is damaged, this is causing the Bias and
> > Level
> >> differences that I measured at the different tape spots.
> >>
> >> I hope that someone knows the procedure to set up the mechanical
> > alignments,
> >> here in Switzerland it is difficult to find a experienced technician
> >> with
> >> Naks.
> >>
> >> Ray
> >>
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 21:05:58 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:05:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
In-Reply-To: <20040818075212.68B66D591@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <20040818190558.24997.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com>

The Dragon absolutely does use the phase difference between the two
gaps on the right channel.  It does not however use frequencies as
high as 15 kHz while adjusting.  There is a band pass filter before
the phase comparator.  It can't use frequencies too high because it
can easily be fooled if the phase is off by multiples of 360 degrees
(they would appear to be in phase).  I believe the band pass filter
is around 1-4 kHz.  This way the phase will not be more than 180
degrees out when the head is at the limits of its range.  NAAC does
NOT use treble level as part of it's adjusting.  It does however use
level to determine when to start NAAC.  I believe it works something
like this.  NAAC is activated when the deck is started, but, not
until 5-10 seconds of audio is detected. And as long as it is in play
it will not readjust azimuth until it senses a no audio gap of more
than 5 seconds and again won't start adjusting until 5-10 seconds of
audio are detected after the gap.  This caused me problem on my
TD-1200II (Dragon for the car) when two consecutive songs were
recorded on decks with different azimuth with a gap smaller than the
gap required to reactivate NAAC.  I had to force it to readjust by
either hitting stop then play or hitting autoreverse twice.

You can read it here on Page 4 of the Dragon brochure that I have put
up on the net.

http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_4_sm.jpg

SJ

--- Ti Kan <ti at amb.org> wrote:

> Luis Peromarta writes:
> > The deck doesn't do phase correction. The dragon's NAAC adjusts
> the 
> > azimuth maximizing the output of frequencies higher - or around -
> 15KHz. 
> > At that maximum point - or say within 1% tolerance, phase shift
> occurs 
> > as much as +- 45�.
> 
> I don't think that description is correct.
> 
> The Dragon's NAAC system actually corrects for azimuth errors by
> comparing phase, not by attempting to achieve maximum treble
> output.
> 
> The right channel playback head on the Dragon is actually two
> integrated heads in parallel with each other.  The two heads
> read the right channel tape track simultaneously.  If the azimuth
> is
> aligned perfectly, there should be no phase difference between the
> outputs of the two heads.  If there is an alignment error, then the
> comparator circuit that the two heads feed into will detect a phase
> shift
> and activate the NAAC head alignment motor to rotate the head until
> the
> phase shift is nulled out.
> 
> Very sophisticated stuff, especially in the early '80s when the
> Dragon
> was first introduced.
> 
> -Ti
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Aug 18 22:09:28 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:09:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
In-Reply-To: <p06010203bd4842d307f9@[192.168.0.7]>
Message-ID: <000001c4855f$43f91080$3fa34e51@oemcomputer>

Interesting.  The instructions I have/had with my old Sony head demag' said
turn on at a distance from the heads and bring it in slowly, and remove
slowly (with touching the heads) before switching it off.  However, when you
think about it, when you consider what is being done, where it is switched
on is probably irrelevant, although where and when it is switched off is
highly relevant.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of David Thompson
> Sent: 18 August 2004 00:29
> To: Naktalk
> Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
>
>
> Here is a contradiction looking for wisdom.
>
> I found on MrBleus Nakamichi Cyberspot information about
> demagnetising heads using Nak DM-10. What it says is contrary to the
> Nak advice for the 581 deck and Akai's advice on my old demagnetiser.
>
> The DM-10 advice says to put the demag 'on the spot where a running
> tape makes contact' and then turn on the power switch.  The 581 (and
> Akai) advice says to turn on the demag while it is at least two feet
> away from the deck (likewise turning it off).  It ends by stating:
> "Never turn it off while it is close to a head or capstan as this may
> semi-permanently magnetize the part."
>
> Wouldn't this apply also while turning it on close to the head??!!
>
> BTW the maintenance guidelines on Mr Bleus site are very helpful. It
> would be good to see a link to it on the Naktalk site.
>
> David
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Aug 19 00:28:03 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:28:03 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D653@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Ray. I remember when I serviced my 680ZX, the problem it had was a seized
left pinch roller arm that would not go up or down, I had to remove it
completely thus throwing out the tape guide alignment out. From a suggestion
from another Naktalk member I grabbed a ordinary clear shell cassette and
broke off the area where the capstan pins go through the tape so that I can
have a clear view of the pinch roller/tape guide area ( basically broke off
the bottom area of the tape where the tape is exposed but only on one side
not both sides of the tape). I played the tape and noticed that the tape was
skewing too much in one direction and so with a flat blade screwdriver I
started to adjust the tape guide screw until I noticed the tape was
travelling correctly. The final test was to see if the erase head was
erasing only the side that I was on - not erasing side a and a little of
side B, this is usually caused when the tape guides move the tape too much
to one side around the erase head and too many tracks are being erased. I
recorded some music on side A for around 15-20 seconds and flipped the tape
over onto the blank side to listen for the reverse version of the music and
kept repeating this until I heard nothing on side B.

	I hope this helps you out, unfortunately you have to sacrifice a
cassette but it's definitely does the job on the cheap. 

	Regards,

	Tom Siomopoulos.

-----Original Message-----
From: utec at bluewin.ch [mailto:utec at bluewin.ch]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 4:43
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon/Problem found/ Solution?


I run a complete test on my Dragon and have found out what is wrong with
it.
The azimuths correction system (NAAC) can not work properly because of head
and tape guide mis-allayment.

The thing is that it damage my Metal Tapes by rippling them up at the edge
of the tape and then the tape is damaged, this is causing the Bias and Level
differences that I measured at the different tape spots.

I hope that someone knows the procedure to set up the mechanical alignments,
here in Switzerland it is difficult to find a experienced technician with
Naks.

Ray

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 19 05:54:14 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:54:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
References: <40F7BFA6000E86BA@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV8JOtd3rOE9000414b4@hotmail.com>

Hello Ray,

Thomas explain you exactly what to do! Do it...!, be very patiently and the
results will be your entirely satisfaction!

Regards,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <utec at bluewin.ch>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements


> Hello Luis,
>
> Thanks for your suggestions, yes I tried this and the NAAC work fine, I
did
> not now that a phase shift as much as +- 45º is ok, I thought to much as
> an technician and wanted to have it perfect.
>
> Well the bottom line is that all works fine but somehow my expensive
brand-new
> TDK MA-R tapes are getting damaged at the tape edge, then when I turn the
> tape to the B-side recording is almost impossible due to this. I looked
with
> a magnifier and all seems mechanical good, so it must be the alignment of
> the pinch rollers and heads.
> The question now is where to start first and how to do this job.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> >-- Original-Nachricht --
> >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:34:23 +0200
> >From: Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org>
> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
> >Cc: Horacio Groppa <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >
> >
> >Ray,
> >
> >from my own experience calibrating different decks, a 15º phase shift @
>
> >15KHz is quite good. Believe me. There is just no enough resolution even
> >
> >by hand, and wow and flutter (even very low) put extra shifting.
> >
> >The deck doesn't do phase correction. The dragon's NAAC adjusts the
> >azimuth maximizing the output of frequencies higher - or around - 15KHz.
> >
> >At that maximum point - or say within 1% tolerance, phase shift occurs
> >as much as +- 45º.
> >
> >Does it always stops at 15º? Try this. Calibrate your favourite tape.
> >Record on top of that a good few minutes of 15KHz test tone. If you have
> >
> >a signal generator, you may also want to try different signals, say
> >10KHz and 18KHz, all of them @ -20db. play from the begining of the
> >tape, and force azimuth correction by reversing tape motion of a few
> >seconds and back.
> >
> >If you have anything but your dragon, you may also want to try
> >calibrating by hand, and let me know your results .... ;)
> >
> >My 2c.
> >
> >Luis Peromarta.
> >
> >
> >utec at bluewin.ch wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Horacio,
> >>
> >> When I calibrate at the beginning of the Tape and cheque this at a
later
> >> time all is ok, when I turn the tape to the B-side I calibrate again
because
> >> there is a difference with the A-side. To this point everything is
stable.
> >>
> >> What I also chequed yesterday evening with a oscilloscope is the Phase
> >correction
> >> system, I looked at the 15KHz signal at the output. What I noticed is
> that
> >> the Dragon starts when jou push the record button with the correction,
> >I
> >> see the signal shifting from the left to the right, but after it
completed
> >> this task there is a Phase difference of about 15°, it overshoots the
> 0°
> >> point.
> >> I have to find out why and see if this can be corrected.
> >>
> >> Ray
> >> Electronic Engineer
> >> Switzerland
> >>
> >
> >
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From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Wed Aug 18 22:58:11 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:58:11 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
References: <000001c4855f$43f91080$3fa34e51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004e01c48566$12d083b0$6d1b98de@tec>

Hello Gra'

For the last 30 years or so that I have been doing it, demagnetizing has
been done as follows:

1.    Deck switched off.
2.    Hold demagnetiser close to heads or drive components etc.
3.    Turn on demagnetiser, which is nothing more than a single side of a
transformer.
4.    Move demagnetiser slowly away to about 2 feet(0.6 metre) from the
machine.
5.    Switch off demagnetiser.

Just out of interest, demagnetising devices built into a cassette shell used
to be available. They were switched on by pressing "play" on the machine.
They would work with mechanical machines like the Nak 600 switched off, but
would only work in switch type machines eg 582, if the deck was switched on.
I presume that could have been bad.

What are people's thoughts on that one.

Donald

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:09 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Demagnetising


> Interesting.  The instructions I have/had with my old Sony head demag'
said
> turn on at a distance from the heads and bring it in slowly, and remove
> slowly (with touching the heads) before switching it off.  However, when
you
> think about it, when you consider what is being done, where it is switched
> on is probably irrelevant, although where and when it is switched off is
> highly relevant.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of David Thompson
> > Sent: 18 August 2004 00:29
> > To: Naktalk
> > Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
> >
> >
> > Here is a contradiction looking for wisdom.
> >
> > I found on MrBleus Nakamichi Cyberspot information about
> > demagnetising heads using Nak DM-10. What it says is contrary to the
> > Nak advice for the 581 deck and Akai's advice on my old demagnetiser.
> >
> > The DM-10 advice says to put the demag 'on the spot where a running
> > tape makes contact' and then turn on the power switch.  The 581 (and
> > Akai) advice says to turn on the demag while it is at least two feet
> > away from the deck (likewise turning it off).  It ends by stating:
> > "Never turn it off while it is close to a head or capstan as this may
> > semi-permanently magnetize the part."
> >
> > Wouldn't this apply also while turning it on close to the head??!!
> >
> > BTW the maintenance guidelines on Mr Bleus site are very helpful. It
> > would be good to see a link to it on the Naktalk site.
> >
> > David
> >
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From utec at bluewin.ch  Thu Aug 19 08:37:35 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (utec at bluewin.ch)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:37:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV8JOtd3rOE9000414b4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40F7BFA6000F13ED@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>

Hello All,

First I want to thank all involved for the Tips that I have reading.
I started yesterday with the electrical Alignment adjustment of the NAAC
system and this works out fine, Today I will start with the Mechanical Adjustments,
to do this I bought some really expensive Test Tapes so I shut be able to
do the job.

I keep you all posted.

Regards, Ray




>-- Original-Nachricht --
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:54:14 +0200
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
>Hello Ray,
>
>Thomas explain you exactly what to do! Do it...!, be very patiently and
the
>results will be your entirely satisfaction!
>
>Regards,
>
>ALEX!
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <utec at bluewin.ch>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
>
>
>> Hello Luis,
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions, yes I tried this and the NAAC work fine,
I
>did
>> not now that a phase shift as much as +- 45º is ok, I thought to much
as
>> an technician and wanted to have it perfect.
>>
>> Well the bottom line is that all works fine but somehow my expensive
>brand-new
>> TDK MA-R tapes are getting damaged at the tape edge, then when I turn
the
>> tape to the B-side recording is almost impossible due to this. I looked
>with
>> a magnifier and all seems mechanical good, so it must be the alignment
>of
>> the pinch rollers and heads.
>> The question now is where to start first and how to do this job.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> >-- Original-Nachricht --
>> >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:34:23 +0200
>> >From: Luis Peromarta <luis at peromarta.org>
>> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with my Nak Dragon / Measurements
>> >Cc: Horacio Groppa <hgroppa at ciudad.com.ar>
>> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >
>> >
>> >Ray,
>> >
>> >from my own experience calibrating different decks, a 15º phase shift
>@
>>
>> >15KHz is quite good. Believe me. There is just no enough resolution even
>> >
>> >by hand, and wow and flutter (even very low) put extra shifting.
>> >
>> >The deck doesn't do phase correction. The dragon's NAAC adjusts the
>> >azimuth maximizing the output of frequencies higher - or around - 15KHz.
>> >
>> >At that maximum point - or say within 1% tolerance, phase shift occurs
>> >as much as +- 45º.
>> >
>> >Does it always stops at 15º? Try this. Calibrate your favourite tape.
>> >Record on top of that a good few minutes of 15KHz test tone. If you have
>> >
>> >a signal generator, you may also want to try different signals, say
>> >10KHz and 18KHz, all of them @ -20db. play from the begining of the
>> >tape, and force azimuth correction by reversing tape motion of a few
>> >seconds and back.
>> >
>> >If you have anything but your dragon, you may also want to try
>> >calibrating by hand, and let me know your results .... ;)
>> >
>> >My 2c.
>> >
>> >Luis Peromarta.
>> >
>> >
>> >utec at bluewin.ch wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello Horacio,
>> >>
>> >> When I calibrate at the beginning of the Tape and cheque this at a
>later
>> >> time all is ok, when I turn the tape to the B-side I calibrate again
>because
>> >> there is a difference with the A-side. To this point everything is
>stable.
>> >>
>> >> What I also chequed yesterday evening with a oscilloscope is the Phase
>> >correction
>> >> system, I looked at the 15KHz signal at the output. What I noticed
is
>> that
>> >> the Dragon starts when jou push the record button with the correction,
>> >I
>> >> see the signal shifting from the left to the right, but after it
>completed
>> >> this task there is a Phase difference of about 15°, it overshoots the
>> 0°
>> >> point.
>> >> I have to find out why and see if this can be corrected.
>> >>
>> >> Ray
>> >> Electronic Engineer
>> >> Switzerland
>> >>
>> >
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From ti at amb.org  Thu Aug 19 09:12:47 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
In-Reply-To: <004e01c48566$12d083b0$6d1b98de@tec> from "Donald Sangster" at
	Aug 19, 2004 08:58:11 AM
Message-ID: <20040819071247.1833DF9CA@smtp.amb.org>

Donald Sangster writes:
> Just out of interest, demagnetising devices built into a cassette shell used
> to be available. They were switched on by pressing "play" on the machine.
> They would work with mechanical machines like the Nak 600 switched off, but
> would only work in switch type machines eg 582, if the deck was switched on.
> I presume that could have been bad.
> What are people's thoughts on that one.

They won't work well with Naks that have the pressure pad lifters
because the coils wouldn't come into close enough contact with the
heads to be effective.  Moreover, those types of demagnetizers
don't do anything for the erase head, nor is it well positioned over
the PB and Rec heads on 3 head machines.

The best is still the hand-held wand type.

-Ti



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 19 10:23:45 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:23:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
References: <000001c4855f$43f91080$3fa34e51@oemcomputer>
	<004e01c48566$12d083b0$6d1b98de@tec>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5wPrUQgaVG000424cb@hotmail.com>

It's acceptable also! However, I like to turn ON the device before be close
to the heads!
Of course...the Deck MUST be OFF...and all the tapes away from the
demagnetizer or deck when demagnetizing!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald Sangster" <donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagnetising


> Hello Gra'
>
> For the last 30 years or so that I have been doing it, demagnetizing has
> been done as follows:
>
> 1.    Deck switched off.
> 2.    Hold demagnetiser close to heads or drive components etc.
> 3.    Turn on demagnetiser, which is nothing more than a single side of a
> transformer.
> 4.    Move demagnetiser slowly away to about 2 feet(0.6 metre) from the
> machine.
> 5.    Switch off demagnetiser.
>
> Just out of interest, demagnetising devices built into a cassette shell
used
> to be available. They were switched on by pressing "play" on the machine.
> They would work with mechanical machines like the Nak 600 switched off,
but
> would only work in switch type machines eg 582, if the deck was switched
on.
> I presume that could have been bad.
>
> What are people's thoughts on that one.
>
> Donald
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:09 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Demagnetising
>
>
> > Interesting.  The instructions I have/had with my old Sony head demag'
> said
> > turn on at a distance from the heads and bring it in slowly, and remove
> > slowly (with touching the heads) before switching it off.  However, when
> you
> > think about it, when you consider what is being done, where it is
switched
> > on is probably irrelevant, although where and when it is switched off is
> > highly relevant.
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of David Thompson
> > > Sent: 18 August 2004 00:29
> > > To: Naktalk
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is a contradiction looking for wisdom.
> > >
> > > I found on MrBleus Nakamichi Cyberspot information about
> > > demagnetising heads using Nak DM-10. What it says is contrary to the
> > > Nak advice for the 581 deck and Akai's advice on my old demagnetiser.
> > >
> > > The DM-10 advice says to put the demag 'on the spot where a running
> > > tape makes contact' and then turn on the power switch.  The 581 (and
> > > Akai) advice says to turn on the demag while it is at least two feet
> > > away from the deck (likewise turning it off).  It ends by stating:
> > > "Never turn it off while it is close to a head or capstan as this may
> > > semi-permanently magnetize the part."
> > >
> > > Wouldn't this apply also while turning it on close to the head??!!
> > >
> > > BTW the maintenance guidelines on Mr Bleus site are very helpful. It
> > > would be good to see a link to it on the Naktalk site.
> > >
> > > David
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 19 10:50:01 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:50:01 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
References: <20040819071247.1833DF9CA@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10YPkz35Zg000426f0@hotmail.com>

Dear Ti Kan!

You refer to the TDK or Maxell...powered by a bottom battery a "Cassette"
like/size demagnetizer? If yes...I agree 500% with you!. Was designed for
use only at "Two Heads"..or such "Akai or others "Two Heads Combo type like
1/2 rec and 1/2 play"..., 7 NOT for a really 3 separated Nak/Tandberg
machines.

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagnetising


> Donald Sangster writes:
> > Just out of interest, demagnetising devices built into a cassette shell
used
> > to be available. They were switched on by pressing "play" on the
machine.
> > They would work with mechanical machines like the Nak 600 switched off,
but
> > would only work in switch type machines eg 582, if the deck was switched
on.
> > I presume that could have been bad.
> > What are people's thoughts on that one.
>
> They won't work well with Naks that have the pressure pad lifters
> because the coils wouldn't come into close enough contact with the
> heads to be effective.  Moreover, those types of demagnetizers
> don't do anything for the erase head, nor is it well positioned over
> the PB and Rec heads on 3 head machines.
>
> The best is still the hand-held wand type.
>
> -Ti
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From ti at amb.org  Thu Aug 19 09:57:54 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:57:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV10YPkz35Zg000426f0@hotmail.com> from "Alex Cozac" at
	Aug 19, 2004 10:50:01 AM
Message-ID: <20040819075755.159EA158A4@smtp.amb.org>

Alex Cozac writes:
> You refer to the TDK or Maxell...powered by a bottom battery a "Cassette"
> like/size demagnetizer? If yes...I agree 500% with you!.

Yup.

-Ti



From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Aug 19 10:35:47 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:35:47 +0300
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] More 582 no record
References: <01ed01c48535$07248010$1210a8c0@tg>
	<p06010200bd498f4d6900@[192.168.0.7]>
Message-ID: <003b01c485c7$86d293f0$1210a8c0@tg>

Yes I saw Toms explanatory message, but the problem is not so simple!!!!

Theres no any "reverse version of the music on side B" anyway. talking about
very precise micron-wise adjustments;
The only physical test is re-listening of the formerly recorded side and
compare it to the source. Such dull/non-clarity can only be detected when
the formerly recorded side physicaly compared to the source. (I think you
experienced the same)
Adjust it until you are satisfied. (needs real patience)

Unfortunately, alignment of guides, heads (rec/play), pinch rollers are in
direct relation with alignment of erase head. IOWs, series of many
alignments can only perfectly cure the problem. To achive this we need some
Nak service devices, undoubtedly.

(A Nak machine can only be ready for use after series of more than 100s
checks/ alignments/controls.Those checks even shud be repeated and repeated,
of coure, if the Nak technician serious enough) So all Nak decks as from the
factory departure till death will always need such corrections!!!

For those tape guides adjustment matter, to my opinion, even Nakamichi could
not develop any sophisticated solution. In Nak manuals did not see any
device to check the correct transport of the tape thru the guides. Isnt it
rubbish to Nakamichi name (as the same mention on the manual) to break one
side of the cassette and just visually(!!!) check if tranport of the tape
going correctly. To my surprise, it is also the same for Revox; for their
B215 machines they also mention the same in their manual to chek the
transport. Should such visual method be the only way??? Any other
comments???

Thanks, Tayfur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Thompson" <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
To: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [naktalk] More 582 no record


> >Did you check with the recording David???
>
> Yes, after another adjustment it seems to be OK. Did  you see this on
> Naktalk? It may answer your problem.
>
> David
>
> Hi Ray. I remember when I serviced my 680ZX, the problem it had was a
seized
> left pinch roller arm that would not go up or down, I had to remove it
> completely thus throwing out the tape guide alignment out. From a
suggestion
> from another Naktalk member I grabbed a ordinary clear shell cassette and
> broke off the area where the capstan pins go through the tape so that I
can
> have a clear view of the pinch roller/tape guide area ( basically broke
off
> the bottom area of the tape where the tape is exposed but only on one side
> not both sides of the tape). I played the tape and noticed that the tape
was
> skewing too much in one direction and so with a flat blade screwdriver I
> started to adjust the tape guide screw until I noticed the tape was
> travelling correctly. The final test was to see if the erase head was
> erasing only the side that I was on - not erasing side a and a little of
> side B, this is usually caused when the tape guides move the tape too much
> to one side around the erase head and too many tracks are being erased. I
> recorded some music on side A for around 15-20 seconds and flipped the
tape
> over onto the blank side to listen for the reverse version of the music
and
> kept repeating this until I heard nothing on side B.
>
> I hope this helps you out, unfortunately you have to sacrifice a
> cassette but it's definitely does the job on the cheap.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Siomopoulos.
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tayfur Gunay" <t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>
> >To: "David Thompson" <wontulp at zoomnet.com.au>
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:20 AM
> >Subject: Re: Fw: [naktalk] More 582 no record
> >
> >
> >>  Thanks David,
> >>
> >>  One last thing which might make you quite crazy about Naks in general
; I
> >>  experienced the same with my RX 505, ZX9 and also 582Z; once you have
> >>  screwed in/out the erase head, it will effect (making dull) the other
side
> >>  of the tape already recorded !!! I mean while recording side A
everything
> >is
> >>  great. After you start side B, erase head partly erases side A
> >>  unfortunately....
> >>
> >>  Check this one very carefuly by completely recording both sides of one
> >>  cassette; and go back to side A; listen the tape and source once
again. If
> >>  the tape is dull (not clarity), not as good as the source than you are
> >>  infected!!!
> >>
> >>  It is because of misalignment of both erase & rec/play heads; which
shud
> >be
> >>  done with proper gauges (with light) and mirror-like devices as
described
> >in
> >>  many NAK service manuals, not by EAR as we do !!!
> >>
> >>  Tayfur



From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Aug 19 11:59:56 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:59:56 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
Message-ID: <00c901c485d3$48db6cf0$1210a8c0@tg>

Hi Carlos,

Any possibility for those who like to receive the project as Cassette (not CD), than what will be cost (for sure you'll spend more effort on it and the cost to be higher) .

What will be the others opinion, myself do prefer analog media to digital, esp while talking about cass.decks.

Thanks,
Tayfur
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 19 17:45:57 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:45:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
Message-ID: <BAY2-F167sEwFX2LIt10003240f@hotmail.com>

I have use that device for years on my 505..works great!


>From: "Donald Sangster" <donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagnetising
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:58:11 +1200
>
>Hello Gra'
>
>For the last 30 years or so that I have been doing it, demagnetizing has
>been done as follows:
>
>1.    Deck switched off.
>2.    Hold demagnetiser close to heads or drive components etc.
>3.    Turn on demagnetiser, which is nothing more than a single side of a
>transformer.
>4.    Move demagnetiser slowly away to about 2 feet(0.6 metre) from the
>machine.
>5.    Switch off demagnetiser.
>
>Just out of interest, demagnetising devices built into a cassette shell 
>used
>to be available. They were switched on by pressing "play" on the machine.
>They would work with mechanical machines like the Nak 600 switched off, but
>would only work in switch type machines eg 582, if the deck was switched 
>on.
>I presume that could have been bad.
>
>What are people's thoughts on that one.
>
>Donald
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:09 AM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Demagnetising
>
>
> > Interesting.  The instructions I have/had with my old Sony head demag'
>said
> > turn on at a distance from the heads and bring it in slowly, and remove
> > slowly (with touching the heads) before switching it off.  However, when
>you
> > think about it, when you consider what is being done, where it is 
>switched
> > on is probably irrelevant, although where and when it is switched off is
> > highly relevant.
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > > Behalf Of David Thompson
> > > Sent: 18 August 2004 00:29
> > > To: Naktalk
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is a contradiction looking for wisdom.
> > >
> > > I found on MrBleus Nakamichi Cyberspot information about
> > > demagnetising heads using Nak DM-10. What it says is contrary to the
> > > Nak advice for the 581 deck and Akai's advice on my old demagnetiser.
> > >
> > > The DM-10 advice says to put the demag 'on the spot where a running
> > > tape makes contact' and then turn on the power switch.  The 581 (and
> > > Akai) advice says to turn on the demag while it is at least two feet
> > > away from the deck (likewise turning it off).  It ends by stating:
> > > "Never turn it off while it is close to a head or capstan as this may
> > > semi-permanently magnetize the part."
> > >
> > > Wouldn't this apply also while turning it on close to the head??!!
> > >
> > > BTW the maintenance guidelines on Mr Bleus site are very helpful. It
> > > would be good to see a link to it on the Naktalk site.
> > >
> > > David
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From utec at bluewin.ch  Thu Aug 19 23:45:26 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (Herman Voogd)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:45:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Update / running perfect now after complete
	adjustment
Message-ID: <opscz1d0ahw0pivw@mail.bluewin.ch>

I finished the work on my Dragon and it works fine now as it shut.
I completely adjusted the RH & PH section mechanically and also I  
calibrated the NAAC system. What I found is that a Dragon these days  
really needs a complete check of the mechanic and electronics, there are a  
lot of adjustments setting that over the years are out of spec due to  
electronic wear. Now my Dragon work and sounds perfect without any  
problems.

Also what I find out is that the latest TDK MA-XG 90N are crap, the Maxell  
XL II is a much better cassette in almost every way.

Regards, Ray



From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Fri Aug 20 03:07:32 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:07:32 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Australian agent
Message-ID: <p06010203bd4afe268078@[192.168.0.7]>

For what it is worth, the agent for Nakamichi in Australia and New 
Zealand is Amber Technology. They can access parts as available from 
Nakamichi in Singapore.  Their au web site has a service agent 
locator for Australian states - www.ambertech.com.au.

They can't get alignment tapes though. The only source I have found 
is Classic Nakamichi in UK. They have 400 and 15kHz tapes for 25 
pounds each.

David
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From hvoogd at ch.memec.com  Fri Aug 20 08:39:55 2004
From: hvoogd at ch.memec.com (Herman Voogd)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:39:55 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
Message-ID: <AABEEF55B638D511B40D0000D1ED1A7403176C4E@mucexc01.europe.memec.local>

Hello all,

I'm finished servicing my Dragon. I adjusted the PB & RH azimuth mechanically and also the NAAC electronics. Trough the years the electronics was gone out of spec and hat to be readjusted. Now everything works fine as it shut, also when flipping the cassette over the NAAC system works fine, this
correction system always work during playing, you do not se the arrow indicator flashing after a wile but the NAAC is checking the azimuth constantly and makes corrections if necessary. What I find out do is that there is a big difference in the new tapes I bought. The TDK MA-XG 90N is in my opinion
really bad, the old MA where much better. Good and repeatable results give the Maxell XL II 90, they are cheap,  mechanically good and also the tape is of a constant quality.

Happy recording, Ray


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 20 10:39:57 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:39:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
References: <AABEEF55B638D511B40D0000D1ED1A7403176C4E@mucexc01.europe.memec.local>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10U1s4RmUB00003f83@hotmail.com>

Dragon works fine nowRay!

You MUST wait till after you press "BIAS"...that the NAAC arrow STOP flashing...so after that you adjust the BIAS!!!
Yes the arrow flash only 4 or 5 times and after so stop when you play a recorded cassette, also...when use the reverse feature...the opposite arrow (Left one!), flash at the beginning 4 or 5 times and stop! That happens on my Dragon...never opened for any reason...but...maybe the counter belt "Slip"..this Summer very hot (in Israel) season! I will wait till winter...however if something will go wrong with the counter belt...I 100% sure will leave it like so...NO more counter!

Again Ray...happy listening!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Herman Voogd 
  To: 'naktalk at naks.com' 
  Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:39 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now


  Hello all, 

  I'm finished servicing my Dragon. I adjusted the PB & RH azimuth mechanically and also the NAAC electronics. Trough the years the electronics was gone out of spec and hat to be readjusted. Now everything works fine as it shut, also when flipping the cassette over the NAAC system works fine, this correction system always work during playing, you do not se the arrow indicator flashing after a wile but the NAAC is checking the azimuth constantly and makes corrections if necessary. What I find out do is that there is a big difference in the new tapes I bought. The TDK MA-XG 90N is in my opinion really bad, the old MA where much better. Good and repeatable results give the Maxell XL II 90, they are cheap,  mechanically good and also the tape is of a constant quality.

  Happy recording, Ray 


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 20 10:32:36 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:32:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Update / running perfect now after
	completeadjustment
References: <opscz1d0ahw0pivw@mail.bluewin.ch>
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Ray!

My congratulations...really I', very heart fully happy!!! Bravo!!!!!

Now...happy Listening!

ALEX!
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From: "Herman Voogd" <utec at bluewin.ch>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:45 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Update / running perfect now after
completeadjustment


> I finished the work on my Dragon and it works fine now as it shut.
> I completely adjusted the RH & PH section mechanically and also I
> calibrated the NAAC system. What I found is that a Dragon these days
> really needs a complete check of the mechanic and electronics, there are a
> lot of adjustments setting that over the years are out of spec due to
> electronic wear. Now my Dragon work and sounds perfect without any
> problems.
>
> Also what I find out is that the latest TDK MA-XG 90N are crap, the Maxell
> XL II is a much better cassette in almost every way.
>
> Regards, Ray
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Aug 20 09:59:02 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:59:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
In-Reply-To: <AABEEF55B638D511B40D0000D1ED1A7403176C4E@mucexc01.europe.memec.local>
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Dragon works fine nowRay said:
  " What I find out do is that there is a big difference in the new tapes I
bought. The TDK MA-XG 90N is in my opinion really bad, the old MA where much
better."



   Has anyone else had such a bad experience with TDK MA-XG ?

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From ti at amb.org  Fri Aug 20 10:12:10 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:12:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
Message-ID: <20040820081210.CBD7C1692B@smtp.amb.org>

Gra' said:
>   Ray said:
>   " What I find out do is that there is a big difference in the new
>   tapes I bought. The TDK MA-XG 90N is in my opinion really bad, the old
>   MA where much better." 
>
>    Has anyone else had such a bad experience with TDK MA-XG ?

No problem at all with MA-XG 90 here on my Dragon!  It is a superb tape.
Rock steady, high headroom, excellent sound.

-Ti


From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Aug 20 11:17:28 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:17:28 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
Message-ID: <s125ddd7.010@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Goodness!!  No, Ti !!

I have found the MA-XG (as marked on the box MA-XG 90N) really excellent, an extremely fine type 4 which has every virtue your could possibly ask for in a cassette.  In fairness to you though I have no MA-Rs to compare with it.  I do have MA which is also splendid.  (Nealry as hot in the treble headroom stakes, but won't take as much level in the mid-bass area).

My Sony Super Metal Masters might be better than both the above though - was just enjoying the Montreal Jazz Festival on SSMM last evening!!  A recording done my my ex-wife......(now that's an ex worth having!!!).

Marc


>>> ti at amb.org 08/20/04 10:12AM >>>
Gra' said:
>   Ray said:
>   " What I find out do is that there is a big difference in the new
>   tapes I bought. The TDK MA-XG 90N is in my opinion really bad, the old
>   MA where much better." 
>
>    Has anyone else had such a bad experience with TDK MA-XG ?

No problem at all with MA-XG 90 here on my Dragon!  It is a superb tape.
Rock steady, high headroom, excellent sound.

-Ti
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 20 19:08:20 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:08:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning and Demagnetizing
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV1kxs4rxwVl00007648@hotmail.com>


http://www.soundfirst.com/cleandemag.html

Beloved Nak Owners, collectors and Members of our Forum!

Here is what I found from the factory of my Demagnetizer, the precisely
instruction of How to Do it Right!!!

Good Luck!

ALEX!


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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Aug 21 09:49:49 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:49:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] cleaning and demagnetizing
Message-ID: <21862-4126FE9D-6028@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net>

thank you very much for the Link.It sure provides a new insight into a
lot of the apparent heresies bandied about on this forum regarding the
at- length discussions on head cleaning solvents(although i have heard
quite  few recommendations on the proscribed pharmeceutical alchohol).As
an owner of the RS demagnetizer mentioned in the link,i am only
half-certain which part is the capstan,although i am fairly certain it
is that very thin metal thing next to those round rubber roller dealies
next to the heads.I just swab everything in its wake and havent had a
problem(yet). 

thank you very much,
gerald



From utec at bluewin.ch  Fri Aug 20 09:57:54 2004
From: utec at bluewin.ch (utec at bluewin.ch)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:57:54 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV10U1s4RmUB00003f83@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40F7BFA6000FC2CC@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>

Hi Alex,

This is all clear to me.
As with all electronic equipment you have to service it once, especially
with tape-recorders where a lot of mechanics is involved, from my 25 years
of experience as an engineer I saw a lot of high-End equipment running out
of spec and as it is a car needs an oil chance to!
 

Ray




>-- Original-Nachricht --
>From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
>Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:39:57 +0200
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
>Dragon works fine nowRay!
>
>You MUST wait till after you press "BIAS"...that the NAAC arrow STOP flashing...so
>after that you adjust the BIAS!!!
>Yes the arrow flash only 4 or 5 times and after so stop when you play a
recorded
>cassette, also...when use the reverse feature...the opposite arrow (Left
>one!), flash at the beginning 4 or 5 times and stop! That happens on my
Dragon...never
>opened for any reason...but...maybe the counter belt "Slip"..this Summer
>very hot (in Israel) season! I will wait till winter...however if something
>will go wrong with the counter belt...I 100% sure will leave it like so...NO
>more counter!
>
>Again Ray...happy listening!
>
>ALEX!
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Herman Voogd 
>  To: 'naktalk at naks.com' 
>  Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:39 AM
>  Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
>
>
>  Hello all, 
>
>  I'm finished servicing my Dragon. I adjusted the PB & RH azimuth mechanically
>and also the NAAC electronics. Trough the years the electronics was gone
>out of spec and hat to be readjusted. Now everything works fine as it shut,
>also when flipping the cassette over the NAAC system works fine, this correction
>system always work during playing, you do not se the arrow indicator flashing
>after a wile but the NAAC is checking the azimuth constantly and makes corrections
>if necessary. What I find out do is that there is a big difference in the
>new tapes I bought. The TDK MA-XG 90N is in my opinion really bad, the old
>MA where much better. Good and repeatable results give the Maxell XL II
90,
>they are cheap,  mechanically good and also the tape is of a constant quality.
>
>  Happy recording, Ray 
>
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From bilyk7r at juno.com  Sat Aug 21 08:51:56 2004
From: bilyk7r at juno.com (bilyk7r at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:51:56 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service Charge
Message-ID: <20040820.235233.509.242962@webmail14.lax.untd.com>


  Hello out there!

     I was hoping I could get some feedback.  I took my BX-2 Silver deck in to a reputable repair shop here in Chicago for service.  The reel drive would stop after about 2 seconds and the capstan drive would lag behind by a second.  When I left it for inspection, the shop phoned later saying it needed a belt service, idler tire upgrade and a thorough cleaning.  For this, they would charge $100.00.  Is this a reasonable quote or is this off base?  Any help would be appreciated.  I'm really not knowledgeable enough to confidently undertake such a task by myself.          

                                  Thanks!

                                       Rich B.


From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 21 11:14:52 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:14:52 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
References: <40F7BFA6000FC2CC@mssbzhh-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV2FxQFM83UV00006cf1@hotmail.com>

Dear Ray,

Completely agree!

Enjoy your now perfectly aligned Dragon!

ALEX!
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From: <utec at bluewin.ch>
To: "This is all clear to me Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now


> Hi Alex,
>
> This is all clear to me.
> As with all electronic equipment you have to service it once, especially
> with tape-recorders where a lot of mechanics is involved, from my 25 years
> of experience as an engineer I saw a lot of high-End equipment running out
> of spec and as it is a car needs an oil chance to!
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
> >-- Original-Nachricht --
> >From: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
> >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:39:57 +0200
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >
> >
> >Dragon works fine nowRay!
> >
> >You MUST wait till after you press "BIAS"...that the NAAC arrow STOP
flashing...so
> >after that you adjust the BIAS!!!
> >Yes the arrow flash only 4 or 5 times and after so stop when you play a
> recorded
> >cassette, also...when use the reverse feature...the opposite arrow (Left
> >one!), flash at the beginning 4 or 5 times and stop! That happens on my
> Dragon...never
> >opened for any reason...but...maybe the counter belt "Slip"..this Summer
> >very hot (in Israel) season! I will wait till winter...however if
something
> >will go wrong with the counter belt...I 100% sure will leave it like
so...NO
> >more counter!
> >
> >Again Ray...happy listening!
> >
> >ALEX!
> >  ----- Original Message ----- 
> >  From: Herman Voogd
> >  To: 'naktalk at naks.com'
> >  Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:39 AM
> >  Subject: [naktalk] Dragon works fine now
> >
> >
> >  Hello all,
> >
> >  I'm finished servicing my Dragon. I adjusted the PB & RH azimuth
mechanically
> >and also the NAAC electronics. Trough the years the electronics was gone
> >out of spec and hat to be readjusted. Now everything works fine as it
shut,
> >also when flipping the cassette over the NAAC system works fine, this
correction
> >system always work during playing, you do not se the arrow indicator
flashing
> >after a wile but the NAAC is checking the azimuth constantly and makes
corrections
> >if necessary. What I find out do is that there is a big difference in the
> >new tapes I bought. The TDK MA-XG 90N is in my opinion really bad, the
old
> >MA where much better. Good and repeatable results give the Maxell XL II
> 90,
> >they are cheap,  mechanically good and also the tape is of a constant
quality.
> >
> >  Happy recording, Ray
> >
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 21 11:16:38 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:16:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service Charge
References: <20040820.235233.509.242962@webmail14.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV33U5zjzjPW00006bbf@hotmail.com>

Dear Rich!

If you will NOT service your machine, will NOT work! Anyway...$:100.00 seems
me affordable!

Good Luck,

ALEX!
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:51 AM
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service Charge


>
>   Hello out there!
>
>      I was hoping I could get some feedback.  I took my BX-2 Silver deck
in to a reputable repair shop here in Chicago for service.  The reel drive
would stop after about 2 seconds and the capstan drive would lag behind by a
second.  When I left it for inspection, the shop phoned later saying it
needed a belt service, idler tire upgrade and a thorough cleaning.  For
this, they would charge $100.00.  Is this a reasonable quote or is this off
base?  Any help would be appreciated.  I'm really not knowledgeable enough
to confidently undertake such a task by myself.
>
>                                   Thanks!
>
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 21 11:23:48 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:23:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] cleaning and demagnetizing
References: <21862-4126FE9D-6028@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV6tg2c7qIA300008a02@hotmail.com>

Dear Gerald,

I really hope...that all such "Mystic"or "Taboo"...,will disappear and all
will be very crystal clear!

Did you own exactly the same Demagnetizer as me? If yes...is the "World Best
One"...Period!!!

All the best!

ALEX!
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From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:49 AM
Subject: [naktalk] cleaning and demagnetizing


> thank you very much for the Link.It sure provides a new insight into a
> lot of the apparent heresies bandied about on this forum regarding the
> at- length discussions on head cleaning solvents(although i have heard
> quite  few recommendations on the proscribed pharmeceutical alchohol).As
> an owner of the RS demagnetizer mentioned in the link,i am only
> half-certain which part is the capstan,although i am fairly certain it
> is that very thin metal thing next to those round rubber roller dealies
> next to the heads.I just swab everything in its wake and havent had a
> problem(yet).
>
> thank you very much,
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 21 11:34:17 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:34:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] I own the same & "The Best"!!!!
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV18hxivGHBo00005f1a@hotmail.com>


I use the Han-D-Mag made by R. B. Annis Co. which is the best unit I have
found.

R. B. Annis Company Inc.
1101 N. Delaware St
Indianapolis, IN 46202
Phone: (317) 637 9282

ALEX!


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From BADANTH at aol.com  Sat Aug 21 13:17:42 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:17:42 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service Charge
Message-ID: <89.12d1c8ec.2e588956@aol.com>

I would try to do it yourself first. It only costs .50 for the tire and it's 
relatively easy to do. I did this procedure on a BX2 I recently purchased and 
now it works beautifully. If you have the cleaning/demagnetising supplies this 
is also easy to do. 

Good luck,
Anthony

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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Aug 21 14:09:32 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:09:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service Charge
In-Reply-To: <20040820.235233.509.242962@webmail14.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040821080837.01fc72a0@pop.east.cox.net>

You are dealing with a reliable shop.  The place that is next to me seems 
to want to overhaul everything for beaucoup dollars no matter what it needs.

At 06:51 AM 8/21/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>   Hello out there!
>
>      I was hoping I could get some feedback.  I took my BX-2 Silver deck 
> in to a reputable repair shop here in Chicago for service.  The reel 
> drive would stop after about 2 seconds and the capstan drive would lag 
> behind by a second.  When I left it for inspection, the shop phoned later 
> saying it needed a belt service, idler tire upgrade and a thorough 
> cleaning.  For this, they would charge $100.00.  Is this a reasonable 
> quote or is this off base?  Any help would be appreciated.  I'm really 
> not knowledgeable enough to confidently undertake such a task by 
> myself.
>
>                                   Thanks!
>
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Aug 21 14:10:37 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:10:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] I own the same & "The Best"!!!!
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV18hxivGHBo00005f1a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040821081014.01fc2e48@pop.east.cox.net>

What is the price on this unit?

At 11:34 AM 8/21/2004 +0200, you wrote:

>I use the Han-D-Mag made by R. B. Annis Co. which is the best unit I have
>found.
>
>R. B. Annis Company Inc.
>1101 N. Delaware St
>Indianapolis, IN 46202
>Phone: (317) 637 9282
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From mithao at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 21 14:49:01 2004
From: mithao at hotmail.com (Minh Pham)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:49:01 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service Charge
Message-ID: <BAY14-F9i3ZgUMCzEil000aad94@hotmail.com>

Hi Rich;
I like to know the address of the shop where you brought the BX-2 in . My 
BX-300 - bought new 20 years ago- needs a service too.
$100.00 is very reasonable for a high-end tape deck.
Cheer!


>From: "bilyk7r at juno.com" <bilyk7r at juno.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service Charge
>Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:51:56 GMT
>
>
>   Hello out there!
>
>      I was hoping I could get some feedback.  I took my BX-2 Silver deck 
>in to a reputable repair shop here in Chicago for service.  The reel drive 
>would stop after about 2 seconds and the capstan drive would lag behind by 
>a second.  When I left it for inspection, the shop phoned later saying it 
>needed a belt service, idler tire upgrade and a thorough cleaning.  For 
>this, they would charge $100.00.  Is this a reasonable quote or is this off 
>base?  Any help would be appreciated.  I'm really not knowledgeable enough 
>to confidently undertake such a task by myself.
>
>                                   Thanks!
>
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 21 16:34:23 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:34:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] re: Cleaning & Demagnetizing
Message-ID: <000a01c4878b$f3f09250$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

For years, I used isopropyl alcohol on my early Naks (a 500 and an LX-3).  However, Mr. Sank has been a veritable fount of useful, practical wisdom during and after a transformation of my CR-7.  On his recommendation, I started using MEK to clean the heads, pinch rollers, guides and capstans (yes, the same Methyl Ethyl Ketone used in marine fibreglass bodywork).  I must say the results have been nothing short of astonishing--absolutely no residue and super-clean, esp on the rubber parts!

The biggest problem I'm having now is reconciling the fact that it is so effective and is dirt cheap to boot!

Another bit of info that may prove useful is his method of getting a little more life out of a drive belt--soak it for 30 seconds in pure turpentine (not synthetic, the real stuff), and dab it dry w. a piece of paper towel--tried it on a tired LX3 belt, and it worked well.

FWIW, I use a Nak DM-10 demag unit and follow the instructions.

Happy tapes,

Paul
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From kotb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 21 18:05:56 2004
From: kotb at sbcglobal.net (Kotb)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:05:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 gear mod
Message-ID: <002101c48798$bf7f3460$1702a8c0@oldie>

Hi,

I've created a project for myself for this weekend, but it looks like it might take a lot longer to get it done. The project is to upgrade BX-300 with gear mod taken from trashed cosmetically, but functional Cassette Deck 2. It was pretty easy to remove the motor and reels from the CS2, but disassembling BX-300 is becoming complicated. If anyone has bone this procedure before, please let me know what is the best way to do it. Also, if anyone needs any parts form the Cassete Deck 2, let me know. The only parts I am planning to keep are the gear mod and some screws. Thanks in advance for any info.

Ilya Vasserman.

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From roleo at telus.net  Sat Aug 21 17:29:50 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:29:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service Charge
References: <20040820.235233.509.242962@webmail14.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c48793$b3046b10$6401a8c0@desktop>

If you look on E-bay's completed items,

http://search-completed.ebay.com/bx-300_W0QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfromZR10QQsatitleZbxQ2d300QQsbrftogZ1QQsocolumnlayoutZ3QQsofocusZsoQQsoitemstatusZ2QQsorecordsperpageZ100QQsosortorderZ2QQsosortpropertyZ2QQsotimedisplayZ2QQsotrZ2

a BX-300 in good shape goes for often less than $100.00, and will be far more satisfying to use.

I'd sell the BX-2 for parts and put the $100.00 towards a BX-300!

Why drive a VW bug when you can have a Passat?

-- Roland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bilyk7r at juno.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:51 PM
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service Charge


>
>   Hello out there!
>
>      I was hoping I could get some feedback.  I took my BX-2 Silver deck in to a reputable repair
shop here in Chicago for service.  The reel drive would stop after about 2 seconds and the capstan
drive would lag behind by a second.  When I left it for inspection, the shop phoned later saying it
needed a belt service, idler tire upgrade and a thorough cleaning.  For this, they would charge
$100.00.  Is this a reasonable quote or is this off base?  Any help would be appreciated.  I'm
really not knowledgeable enough to confidently undertake such a task by myself.
>
>                                   Thanks!
>
>                                        Rich B.
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 21 19:49:02 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:49:02 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Analog Tape 101
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV1wEUJlWZO800009e97@hotmail.com>


http://www.digitalprosound.com/Htm/TechStuff/2000/Aug/AnalogTape3.htm

http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html


Here two sites one with more "Head Care" information, and the second one
with the price for the Demagnetizer that I so happy own!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "roland" <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] I own the same & "The Best"!!!!


> What is the price on this unit?

Cheers,

ALEX!


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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Aug 22 06:14:07 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:14:07 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 gear mod
References: <002101c48798$bf7f3460$1702a8c0@oldie>
Message-ID: <002e01c487fe$deba22c0$42299bca@aisha>


Hi Ilya,

Please inform what stage in the BX300 dismantling you are in now.  I believe
if you have gone ok removing the gear from cd2 then biggest challenge is
getting past bx's DD assembly ?  It is quite complicated and need to be very
careful with small parts.  The first time I disassemble everything and found
out a slightly easier way in that the whole dd block is removed as a single
piece.  I'll try sending detailed instruction in private soon, in the
meantime a brief procedure:

1. Remove cables: cam mode, mechanism, dd, black ground and for 3 heads.
2. Work with the mechanism block completely removed outside.
3. Lay it on its back, remove cassette holder and backplate.
4. There are 4 tiny screws holding capstan block and DD motor, 1 is on
bottom left slightly behind left roller arm and the other is on bottom right
beneath right arm, slightly move head block upwards to get access to it.
5. DD block (flywheels + belt and dd pcb) is now detached from mech.
6. Be careful with plastic 'strings' securing cam motor cables etc with dd
pcb.
7. Now it's as good as working with CD2 mechanism.

Several things need to be extra careful: left / right springs, spacer
between headblock plate and main chassis (same as CD2) but everytime you
need to look at the rear side the solder on dd pcb cables got pulled, it's
better to cut the plastic strings and put the dd block away from mech.
chassis

Let me know if there's another trashed CD/CR !!

Good luck !
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kotb" <kotb at sbcglobal.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:05 PM
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 gear mod


Hi,

I've created a project for myself for this weekend, but it looks like it
might take a lot longer to get it done. The project is to upgrade BX-300
with gear mod taken from trashed cosmetically, but functional Cassette Deck
2. It was pretty easy to remove the motor and reels from the CS2, but
disassembling BX-300 is becoming complicated. If anyone has bone this
procedure before, please let me know what is the best way to do it. Also, if
anyone needs any parts form the Cassete Deck 2, let me know. The only parts
I am planning to keep are the gear mod and some screws. Thanks in advance
for any info.

Ilya Vasserman.




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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 22 10:32:33 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:32:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] HAN D Mag Kit with Magnetometer
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10quIOFUHo0000b8e8@hotmail.com>

To all our Nak forum members!

At least I found exactly the "Set"...that 20 years earlier I acquired, can
be ordered 220 Volts AC for Europeans users! I own and use it, one of these
factory prepared for 220/240 main Voltage.

In a very simply way..."The Best One"!

ALEX!

http://www.usrecordingmedia.com/handmagkitwi.html


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 22 10:37:45 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:37:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] NOTES ON DEMAGENTIZING (PDF...ADOBE)
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV18uutSgcOr00008ceb@hotmail.com>

Lovely members on our Nak Forum!

Another issue that I found download using Adobe 6.00 program!
>From the factory of my owning Demagnetizer!

Read and enjoyed!

ALEX!

http://www.svalander.se/pdf/NOTES.pdf


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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Aug 22 07:48:46 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:48:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl on audiogon
Message-ID: <2358-412833BE-8040@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

yes,it is,a 100zxl,and its on the AUDIOGON classic sources page,which is
a fun link to browse even though its only got twenty six items right
now,some of which include an interesting Scott and Fisher tube tuners,s
well as some Tandberg,Teac and ampex reel tpo reel.The zxl has been
listed for 32 days and had over 1000 views. the seller is from asia and
asking 1350.00 or best offer.It is said to be in very good condition and
to work perfectly,whatever that means.But anyway the item number is
1095525718,and there are some pretty good pictures of the item posted.

thank you very much,
gerald



From boblai at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 21 19:36:02 2004
From: boblai at yahoo.com (Bob Lai)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Service
Message-ID: <20040821173603.59285.qmail@web61304.mail.yahoo.com>

Rich B
 
I think the $100 is high. Your start/stop, especially in a BX model,
is due to the little rubber idler tire that drives the takeup and spool
reels. It's about 10 minutes to change the part even if it's your 
first time. 
 
The most difficult part it there's a very small plastic retainer clip
that holds the idler tire in place. Taking it off needs a plier like
for pulling splinters. Putting it back on needs care since it's so
small. That's it for difficulty.
 
Things you could do, as most of us do these things, are cleaning
the inside well, the heads, guides, and pinch rollers. There are
kits with cleaning solutions for each type of part. 
 
Lastly, you need to demagetize the heads and parts every so often.
 
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Sat Aug 21 22:25:20 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:25:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 505 Users Manual
Message-ID: <000e01c487bc$fb13d980$5c1d0cd0@r7g1f8>

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Users Manual for a NAK 505 in pdf format?

Randall in Seattle
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Sun Aug 22 03:59:38 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:59:38 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Where can you buy MEK? to clean tape head on a Nakamichi
	cassette deck
Message-ID: <8e.12e9b780.2e59580a@aol.com>

Hi Paul,  Thanks for the tip on head cleaning , where can you get MEK?!! is 
it available at home depot? Also like to know what does the turpentine does to  
a tired belt that makes it work again?  most belt are already too streched 
i.e have become loose  or the rubber in the belt has lost its elastic property 
how can turpentine cure this?!! Please let me know!  Thanks!

With Best Regards!
Ali
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 21 19:53:56 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:53:56 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] re: Cleaning & Demagnetizing
Message-ID: <BAY2-F22lVi5JToLUbH000333d9@hotmail.com>

Paul:

How does one reach Mr.Sank?

Neil


>From: Fugue <fugue4all at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] re: Cleaning & Demagnetizing
>Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:34:23 -0400
>
>For years, I used isopropyl alcohol on my early Naks (a 500 and an LX-3).  
>However, Mr. Sank has been a veritable fount of useful, practical wisdom 
>during and after a transformation of my CR-7.  On his recommendation, I 
>started using MEK to clean the heads, pinch rollers, guides and capstans 
>(yes, the same Methyl Ethyl Ketone used in marine fibreglass bodywork).  I 
>must say the results have been nothing short of astonishing--absolutely no 
>residue and super-clean, esp on the rubber parts!
>
>The biggest problem I'm having now is reconciling the fact that it is so 
>effective and is dirt cheap to boot!
>
>Another bit of info that may prove useful is his method of getting a little 
>more life out of a drive belt--soak it for 30 seconds in pure turpentine 
>(not synthetic, the real stuff), and dab it dry w. a piece of paper 
>towel--tried it on a tired LX3 belt, and it worked well.
>
>FWIW, I use a Nak DM-10 demag unit and follow the instructions.
>
>Happy tapes,
>
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Sun Aug 22 13:35:58 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:35:58 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl on audiogon
References: <2358-412833BE-8040@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <002501c48840$54b2b960$42299bca@aisha>


Hot damn, for that money I'll part with my ZXL !  (no that wasn't me at
audiogon).  Mine even has brand new head and 6 months guarantee, you only
need to take care of shipping.  =)

There's another one locally for cheap, I did take a look and can't remember
which of the 1-2 lamp still light up.  Dust thickness can be measured in mm.

Cheers from Asia,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 12:48 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl on audiogon


> yes,it is,a 100zxl,and its on the AUDIOGON classic sources page,which is
> a fun link to browse even though its only got twenty six items right
> now,some of which include an interesting Scott and Fisher tube tuners,s
> well as some Tandberg,Teac and ampex reel tpo reel.The zxl has been
> listed for 32 days and had over 1000 views. the seller is from asia and
> asking 1350.00 or best offer.It is said to be in very good condition and
> to work perfectly,whatever that means.But anyway the item number is
> 1095525718,and there are some pretty good pictures of the item posted.
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>




From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Aug 22 18:34:42 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:34:42 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
References: <00c901c485d3$48db6cf0$1210a8c0@tg>
Message-ID: <00f801c48865$ee2086c0$39773242@CopyTech>

Unfortunately not. I sent you a CD set and you can transfer it to the cassette. Sorry !

OK guys, this the Marathon tape update. Finally the sets were packed and the authentication certificate included. The opening set has been awarded to Ti Kan from California: set # 04-02-200 .  

The best recording award went to the joint effort of the San Francisco's team.

Mr. Bleus has been awarded with a bonus CD of John Mayal's live concert taken from a bootleg source.

Most of the "domestic" sets has been shipped out with the international ones to be ship later this week. 

Enjoy it and thanks for your patience !

Carlos


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tayfur Gunay 
  To: Talk about Naks 
  Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:59 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII


  Hi Carlos,

  Any possibility for those who like to receive the project as Cassette (not CD), than what will be cost (for sure you'll spend more effort on it and the cost to be higher) .

  What will be the others opinion, myself do prefer analog media to digital, esp while talking about cass.decks.

  Thanks,
  Tayfur


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Aug 22 20:41:32 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:41:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] re: Cleaning & Demagnetizing
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F22lVi5JToLUbH000333d9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c48877$a517c260$38914c51@oemcomputer>

Telephone or telepathy?  ;o)



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> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] re: Cleaning & Demagnetizing
> 
> 
> Paul:
> 
> How does one reach Mr.Sank?
> 
> Neil
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Aug 22 16:51:45 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:51:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
References: <00c901c485d3$48db6cf0$1210a8c0@tg>
	<00f801c48865$ee2086c0$39773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <007601c48857$8be1f470$6db20642@john1patlmckrl>

Thanks Carlos, very much looking forward to the CD's!

John T.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: El Magnifico 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 12:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII


  Unfortunately not. I sent you a CD set and you can transfer it to the cassette. Sorry !

  OK guys, this the Marathon tape update. Finally the sets were packed and the authentication certificate included. The opening set has been awarded to Ti Kan from California: set # 04-02-200 .  

  The best recording award went to the joint effort of the San Francisco's team.

  Mr. Bleus has been awarded with a bonus CD of John Mayal's live concert taken from a bootleg source.

  Most of the "domestic" sets has been shipped out with the international ones to be ship later this week. 

  Enjoy it and thanks for your patience !

  Carlos


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Tayfur Gunay 
    To: Talk about Naks 
    Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:59 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII


    Hi Carlos,

    Any possibility for those who like to receive the project as Cassette (not CD), than what will be cost (for sure you'll spend more effort on it and the cost to be higher) .

    What will be the others opinion, myself do prefer analog media to digital, esp while talking about cass.decks.

    Thanks,
    Tayfur


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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 22 17:10:51 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:10:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 505 Users Manual
Message-ID: <BAY2-F32uLXmAXHnJm30003998a@hotmail.com>

E-Bay.


>From: "Babin/Greseth" <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
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>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] NAK 505 Users Manual
>Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:25:20 -0700
>
>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Users Manual for a NAK 505 
>in pdf format?
>
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From ti at amb.org  Sun Aug 22 23:10:34 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:10:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
In-Reply-To: <00f801c48865$ee2086c0$39773242@CopyTech> from "El Magnifico" at
	Aug 22, 2004 09:34:42 AM
Message-ID: <20040822211034.3455ED591@smtp.amb.org>

El Magnifico writes:
> OK guys, this the Marathon tape update. Finally the sets were packed and =
> the authentication certificate included. The opening set has been =
> awarded to Ti Kan from California: set # 04-02-200 . =20

Wow, twice is the charm!  Thank you so very much for your work, Carlos.
Can't wait to receive the set and hear the results.

-Ti



From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Sun Aug 22 23:57:20 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:57:20 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D662@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Thanks Carlos.

-----Original Message-----
From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net]
Sent: Monday, 23 August 2004 2:35
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII


Unfortunately not. I sent you a CD set and you can transfer it to the
cassette. Sorry !
 
OK guys, this the Marathon tape update. Finally the sets were packed and the
authentication certificate included. The opening set has been awarded to Ti
Kan from California: set # 04-02-200 .  
 
The best recording award went to the joint effort of the San Francisco's
team.
 
Mr. Bleus has been awarded with a bonus CD of John Mayal's live concert
taken from a bootleg source.
 
Most of the "domestic" sets has been shipped out with the international ones
to be ship later this week. 
 
Enjoy it and thanks for your patience !
 
Carlos
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tayfur Gunay <mailto:t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr>  
To: Talk about Naks <mailto:naktalk at naks.com>  
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:59 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII

Hi Carlos,
 
Any possibility for those who like to receive the project as Cassette (not
CD), than what will be cost (for sure you'll spend more effort on it and the
cost to be higher) .
 
What will be the others opinion, myself do prefer analog media to digital,
esp while talking about cass.decks.
 
Thanks,
Tayfur



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From kjbleus at charter.net  Mon Aug 23 02:05:21 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:05:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project MkII
References: <200408222205.i7MM5iUM007272@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c488a4$e367a0d0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Merci, Magnifico.....

When the San Fran fellows receive their treasure sets, they can confer and forward me the playlist information and any other tidbits they'd like to have posted on the Marathon MkII webpages.  Also, anyone else who contributed music selections, review the particulars, inform me of any updates.

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon2004.html

Regards,

Bleus de Nakker
Madison, Wisc USA
Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W

kjbleus@ charter.net



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <naktalk-request at naks.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 18, Issue 24


> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:34:42 -0700
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>

> 
> Unfortunately not. I sent you a CD set and you can transfer it to the cassette. Sorry !
> 
> OK guys, this the Marathon tape update. Finally the sets were packed and the authentication certificate included. The opening set has been awarded to Ti Kan from California: set # 04-02-200 .  
> 
> The best recording award went to the joint effort of the San Francisco's team.
> 
> Mr. Bleus has been awarded with a bonus CD of John Mayal's live concert taken from a bootleg source.
> 
> Most of the "domestic" sets has been shipped out with the international ones to be ship later this week. 
> 
> Enjoy it and thanks for your patience !
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 

> 
> 
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Mon Aug 23 06:07:05 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:07:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
Message-ID: <000d01c488c6$a71a3030$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Ali wrote:

Hi Paul,  Thanks for the tip on head cleaning , where can you get MEK?!! is 
it available at home depot? Also like to know what does the turpentine does to  
a tired belt that makes it work again?  most belt are already too streched 
i.e have become loose  or the rubber in the belt has lost its elastic property 
how can turpentine cure this?!! Please let me know!  Thanks!

With Best Regards!
Ali

Hi Ali,

MEK is available at Home Depot, and Ace Hardware....at least in my area.  A quart can will last forever.  I was wondering if anyone knew if it would be wise to mix some MEK in with some isopropyl alcohol to boost its solvent strength a little, but without going all the way to straight MEK. Are they compatible?  Kannan...are you listening? (And how are you enjoying Chicago?)

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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Aug 22 23:20:32 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:20:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
Message-ID: <20040822212030.PLMW12724.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Carlos,  sorry for the late reply but I am very much looking forward to receiving both my Marathon CD sets.

Ya know, I find it kind of nice that a bunch of Nakamichi lovers who don't even have a clue of each other can band together for such a project.

I'll have to get involved with the next set when I learn more of how to contribute.

Roland


> 
> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: 2004/08/22 Sun PM 12:34:42 EDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
> 
> Unfortunately not. I sent you a CD set and you can transfer it to the cassette. Sorry !
> 
> OK guys, this the Marathon tape update. Finally the sets were packed and the authentication certificate included. The opening set has been awarded to Ti Kan from California: set # 04-02-200 .  
> 
> The best recording award went to the joint effort of the San Francisco's team.
> 
> Mr. Bleus has been awarded with a bonus CD of John Mayal's live concert taken from a bootleg source.
> 
> Most of the "domestic" sets has been shipped out with the international ones to be ship later this week. 
> 
> Enjoy it and thanks for your patience !
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Tayfur Gunay 
>   To: Talk about Naks 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:59 AM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
> 
> 
>   Hi Carlos,
> 
>   Any possibility for those who like to receive the project as Cassette (not CD), than what will be cost (for sure you'll spend more effort on it and the cost to be higher) .
> 
>   What will be the others opinion, myself do prefer analog media to digital, esp while talking about cass.decks.
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Tayfur
> 
> 
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From valman13440 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 01:09:20 2004
From: valman13440 at yahoo.com (Keith Hugo)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:09:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X or Maxell XLII-S,which is best?
Message-ID: <20040822230920.71131.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>

Which tape SA-X or XLII-S is the superior type II
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 23 01:37:55 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:37:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Contacting the Mysterious Mr. Sank....
Message-ID: <002a01c488a1$0cfdac40$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Hi, Neil:

Stephen has always been very generous getting back to me, despite the fact he's buried alive in Nak repair/restorations as well as the remarkable microphone work he does.

His email address is bk11 at thuntek.net  His business website is  http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm

phone number:  (505)332-0336  in Alberquerque, NM

Hope this helps.

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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Aug 23 02:37:43 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:37:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project MkII
References: <200408222205.i7MM5iUM007272@zebra.naks.com>
	<000c01c488a4$e367a0d0$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>
Message-ID: <005c01c488a9$67ce2430$d66423c8@g8nsv>

Hey Bleus!!!!!

There is a mistake inmy tune.....the last letter in Venezual should be an A and there is an S there....

Best regards

Isy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: KJ Bleus 
  To: Magnifico 
  Cc: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:05 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project MkII


  Merci, Magnifico.....

  When the San Fran fellows receive their treasure sets, they can confer and forward me the playlist information and any other tidbits they'd like to have posted on the Marathon MkII webpages.  Also, anyone else who contributed music selections, review the particulars, inform me of any updates.

  http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon2004.html

  Regards,

  Bleus de Nakker
  Madison, Wisc USA
  Lat 43o04'N, Long 89o24'W

  kjbleus@ charter.net



  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 5:05 PM
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  > 
  > ------------------------------
  > 
  > Message: 6
  > Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:34:42 -0700
  > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
  > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>

  > 
  > Unfortunately not. I sent you a CD set and you can transfer it to the cassette. Sorry !
  > 
  > OK guys, this the Marathon tape update. Finally the sets were packed and the authentication certificate included. The opening set has been awarded to Ti Kan from California: set # 04-02-200 .  
  > 
  > The best recording award went to the joint effort of the San Francisco's team.
  > 
  > Mr. Bleus has been awarded with a bonus CD of John Mayal's live concert taken from a bootleg source.
  > 
  > Most of the "domestic" sets has been shipped out with the international ones to be ship later this week. 
  > 
  > Enjoy it and thanks for your patience !
  > 
  > Carlos
  > 
  > 

  > 
  > 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Aug 24 00:35:36 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:35:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
References: <20040822212030.PLMW12724.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <003701c48961$831ff840$33773242@CopyTech>

No problem, Roland. It's on its way and I'm sure you gonna love it !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII


> Carlos,  sorry for the late reply but I am very much looking forward to
receiving both my Marathon CD sets.
>
> Ya know, I find it kind of nice that a bunch of Nakamichi lovers who don't
even have a clue of each other can band together for such a project.
>
> I'll have to get involved with the next set when I learn more of how to
contribute.
>
> Roland
>
>
> >
> > From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> > Date: 2004/08/22 Sun PM 12:34:42 EDT
> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
> >
> > Unfortunately not. I sent you a CD set and you can transfer it to the
cassette. Sorry !
> >
> > OK guys, this the Marathon tape update. Finally the sets were packed and
the authentication certificate included. The opening set has been awarded to
Ti Kan from California: set # 04-02-200 .
> >
> > The best recording award went to the joint effort of the San Francisco's
team.
> >
> > Mr. Bleus has been awarded with a bonus CD of John Mayal's live concert
taken from a bootleg source.
> >
> > Most of the "domestic" sets has been shipped out with the international
ones to be ship later this week.
> >
> > Enjoy it and thanks for your patience !
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Tayfur Gunay
> >   To: Talk about Naks
> >   Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:59 AM
> >   Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
> >
> >
> >   Hi Carlos,
> >
> >   Any possibility for those who like to receive the project as Cassette
(not CD), than what will be cost (for sure you'll spend more effort on it
and the cost to be higher) .
> >
> >   What will be the others opinion, myself do prefer analog media to
digital, esp while talking about cass.decks.
> >
> >   Thanks,
> >   Tayfur
> >
> >
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Aug 23 22:53:32 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:53:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X or Maxell XLII-S,which is best?
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Tape or shell??

If tape ... probably depends on which of the tapes your deck has been tubed
to accept.  Otherwise, in my view there're neck and neck although there
seems to be some emerging view that the Maxell may last longer.   There also
seems there may be a difference in terms of quality control between the TDK
tapes that were made in Japan and those made in Europe.  This is certainly
the case with the shells.  The most recent TDK tape shells from the European
plant are bad un's and make it necessary to readjust the azimuth for
recording on my ZX9 for each side of the cassette.  I have no such problems
with any other make of tape that I use.

Gra'

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 24 07:26:23 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:26:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X or Maxell XLII-S,which is best?
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Dear Keith!

Nak machines are biased for TDK formula! So...to my knowledge the TDK -X
will be the best suitable for all modern Naks!!!
I agree with Graham that ONLY those made entirely in Japan (!984-86), or
those like mines Shell made in USA and the virgin tape brought to USA from
Japan and all assembled in USA!!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Aug 24 09:57:35 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:57:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X or Maxell XLII-S,which is best?
Message-ID: <s12b111b.084@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Keith,

You are unlikely to go wrong with either.  Both are top quality type IIs.  The references made to origins and shells are valid - TDKs from the Luxembourg plant have a patchy reputation both for frailty of tape and precision of mechanism.

However, just give this generalised view some balance, the current TDKs assembled in Thailand (and I'm referring to SA-X90 and SA-X100) are everything one would expect from this premium formula.  I have nothing but good experiences with SA90, AD60, AD90 from this source.

Maxell XLII-S........I have current samples from both Japan and the UK and they are identical and trouble free.  I have heard of some users having noticed the British XLII-S cassette being noisy during FF and rewind modes.

Comparatively, the XLII-S is not quite as "quiet" as the SA-X.  The SA-X actually has a greater dynamic range (63.8dB) than most metals due to it's extremely low bias noise.  At least some of this characteristic is derived from the double layer of "super avylin" which practically eliminates magnetic print-through.  In terms of tonal overload factors, the sonic signature of the SA-X is actually closer to a Maxell XLII.  In short, it is a magnificent tape, with a powerful, authoratative sound.  It should be used in top class decks and for recording demanding, well-recorded music.  

The Maxell XLII-S is for many their favourite type II.  It appears to have a combination of recording characteristics that serious recordists value combined with near unmatched longevity.  Its rising treble has the useful effect of making the tape almost immune to azimuth errors when played on decks other than the recording deck.  The nineties versions to the current time have a more generous bass than the UD-XLII-S and mid eighties XLII-S.  The high sensitivy and high coercivity black magnetite formulation will flatter almost any half-reasonable cassette deck, not to mention Nakamichis.  Mr Bleus (on this group) is a serious proponent of the XLII-S, as well as Maxell's MX-S.  

My suggestion is to experiment with both and you will probably find you enjoy them equally as much.

Good luck!!

Marc

>>> valman13440 at yahoo.com 08/23/04 01:09AM >>>
Which tape SA-X or XLII-S is the superior type II
tape?Thanks,Keith H.


		
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Aug 24 08:45:41 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:45:41 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] AUDIOTALK ITEM: Gerald's Sony cassette deck question:
	Stan, Michael and Gerald
Message-ID: <s12b004c.029@mroute.sunint.co.za>

All this is correct - Sony also (from time to time) had different model numbers for different markets.  For instance the TC-KA2ES (USA) is precisely the same deck as the TC-KE600S (UK) and the TC-KA3ES (USA) is the same machine as the TC-KA6ES (UK).

No surprise that the TC-KA3ES sounds better than the Nakamichi DR-3/DR-8.  It has an exceptionally fine double capstan mechanism driven by a quartz locked FG servo motor (slotless, brushless, coreless) and the isolation of the PS, transport and signal electronics in the machine are plain to see.  I found that (DR-3) to be a slightly lacklustre deck, sound wise, when compared with other 2-headers from the Nak stable, such as the 480 series and the LX-3.  Ditto for the Cassette Deck 2.  The three header DRs are, however, a different kettle of fish altogether.

The Sony decks model numbers also did not necessarily denote a more advanced machine - for instance the TC-K333ES ('87/'88) was the chronological predecessor of the TC-K444ES ('88/'89).  Technically though, they were close to identical and were in the same pricing niche.  In my opinion, all new/low-mileage, spotless Sonys in this league are desirable.

Cheers,

Marc



>>> stan.targowski at comcast.net 08/22/04 08:02PM >>>
In Japan they still recently had TC-KA7ES. I think this is ultimately the
best they have ever made.

Some other great models, including the TC-KA3ES, are 950ES, 890ES, 777ES,
555ES.

Stan
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  From: audiotalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:audiotalk-bounces at naks.com]On 
Behalf Of Yoder Michael
  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:48 AM
  To: audiotalk at naks.com 
  Subject: [audiotalk] Re: Gerald's Sony cassette deck question


  I don't know the entire history of the Sony line of cassette decks, but I
recently purchased the KA3ES, which I believe is the best one of late. I
bought it new about three years ago, so I don't know if it's still available
in retail outlets such as The Happy Medium in Madison, WI where I bought
mine. My impressions are extremely positive. I use it in a recording
studio-type setting, when I want to record a jazz duo or trio live to analog
2-track, or to mix down tracks to analog for the "warmth." Compared with my
Nak DR-3 and Tascam 112 MkII, both of which are fine machines, the Sony
smokes them both!! The soundstage is wide and deep, and the dynamics quick.
The highs are smooth and not lacking in anything, nor sizzling. There is no
audible noise, thanks in part to Dolby S. The bass is deep and accurate.

  Last night I transferred to CD a bunch of stuff I had recorded using the
KA3ES (live to 2-track, original compositions/improvisations with my trumpet
player and myself on bass). I monitored it through headphones (AKG K240S: MY
FAVORITES!!!!), just as I had done for the original recordings. I sent the
outputs of the Sony to the analog inputs of the CD burner via Canare cables
with Canare connectors. I then popped the finished CD into my system
downstairs (JMLab speakers, Rega amp, NAD CD player, Audioquest cables and
speaker wire), and was stunned!!!! The sound reminded me of high quality
analog recordings of small jazz ensembles of the late 1970s and early 1980s,
before digital recordings were common. I could tell, however, that I really
don't like my mixer all that much: a Behringer Eurorack. The mic on the
trumpet sounds fine: Shure SM58. The reverb I used in the original recording
was pretty darned good: a Zoom FX300, which to my ears sounds something like
vintage (1980 or so) Lexicon reverb. I still am amazed at the combination of
warmth, presence, soundstage, detail, and tonal balance.

  I realize my use of cassette decks is different from most people on this
list, as I really don't make too many cassette copies of CDs or LPs. But, I
could imagine that a CD recorded to the Sony KA3ES would be awesome. The few
times I do record pre-recorded music to cassette, I use the Nak. DR-3 with
very satisfying results.

  Cheers,
  Michael


    Gerald wrote:

    Of course  none of these  would have a headphone socket.Speaking
    of Sony gear,what is the greatest Sony Cassette deck ever made,and the
    greatest Amplifier?
    thank you very much,
    gerald
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Aug 24 11:31:37 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:31:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SORRY FOR REPETITION
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Hi All,

Sorry for the repetition of some of my mail to the groups.......there is something wrong with either my mail marshall or audiotalk.....not sure.  Either or both may have been cleared up already!!

Cheers,

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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Aug 24 14:16:14 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:16:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: Mark...Your expertise advice!
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>>> Mark Hugo 08/24/04 01:13PM >>>
Shalom Alex,

Your XLII-S box of tapes are from the 1993 onwards line, that continued for several years in that packaging style.  It was the second version of the SS-PA mechanism which came out in 1990.  The first SS-PA version had a very small "window".......this was significantly enlarged three years later to the one you have there.  Note the first use of "italic" legends on the shell which prevailed through the 1993-1997 versions.   Maxell had also dropped the square gold badges above and below the window.  Also, the different "feel" to the shell (when compared with samples from the 80's) originating from the ongoing use of composite materials (started in 1990) in the shell.  These materials were said to resist heat better and help reduce modulation noise.

Enjoy those tapes Alex!!!  

Best wishes,

Marc



>>> "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 08/24/04 12:48PM >>>
Shalom Mark!

Here is my only box of Maxell XL-2-S 100 minutes cassettes that once I
acquired.

Can you with your widely knowledge on Maxell brand, from which year is my
box?

Thanks so much for your always good will on all members of Nak forum...!
Bravo!!!

Faithfully,

ALEX!

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From flifton at mac.com  Mon Aug 23 21:50:08 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:50:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon project
In-Reply-To: <200408222205.i7MM5PUM007263@zebra.naks.com>
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Thanks Carlos! Looking forward to hearing the results. If they gave 
Olympic gold for taping marathons, you'd medal for sure.
best,
Fred



From bakerbiker at pioneernet.net  Tue Aug 24 02:36:00 2004
From: bakerbiker at pioneernet.net (Jay & Kathleen)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:36:00 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A  vs RX505
Message-ID: <BD4FDB80.14B1%bakerbiker@pioneernet.net>

Could anyone tell me what features one of these cassette decks has that the
other doesn't ?  Thanks,  JayB



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Aug 23 17:40:44 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:40:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak "dealer"
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References: <20040820.235233.509.242962@webmail14.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040823113948.026b1518@psulias.psu.edu>

Does anyone know of a reliable dealer in used Nak decks?  Really don't like 
the idea of buying something as tricky as a nak deck over Ebay.  Thanks.



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Mon Aug 23 15:20:04 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:20:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] OMS-7
In-Reply-To: <000e01c48142$62da8810$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040823090859.026ef818@psulias.psu.edu>

As a curiosity it'd be interesting, but quality wise I would be surprised 
if it even compared with $200 decks of today.  Every new CD player I've 
bought has blown away the predecessor at a fairly similar price 
level.  From my first 1988 Pioneer ("Skippy" as we called him) to a Nak 
CDP-2 (a workhorse of a machine, 10 years out of it and it was still going 
strong), NAD 541 HDCD and now the Phillips 963SA SACD player, each has 
really made a marked improvement.  The key is generally the oversampling 
(and now upsampling).  However, the OMS-7 was built like a truck and will 
probably last as long as you have CDs.  The NAD I had was a little cheesy 
and started having problems after only a year or two, despite very nice 
sound.  The Phillips is sturdier, but the drawer is disturbingly thin and 
fragile looking.  It gives the texture and space of an LP with a far 
greater dynamic range and a nil noise floor (depending on the recording of 
course).

Frankly I'd look at the Philips 963 in the <$500 range.  The NAD 542 is 
also supposed to be a winner, but is a lot more laid back and doesn't have 
the extreme upper and lower reaches of the Philips.

At 07:32 AM 8/13/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Gerald,
>
>You're into an interesting topic here.  I've thought about the OMS-7, but 
>do not have one.  I would be very interested in other peoples views on the 
>relative playback quality of high end dedicated CD players such as the 
>OMS-7, and the current crop of high end multi-format players.  I have a 
>Pioneer Elite DV-47Ai and a DV-45A, both of which can play SACD as well as 
>CD-R, and of course DVD.  These players seem to play very well and it 
>seems that the limiting factor for .wav CDs may be the 44100Hz sample rate 
>and 16bit resolution rather than the quality of the electronics. Cost 
>wise, you can go much much higher than $500 for current multi-format 
>models, but does it really make a difference.....for .wav CDs, and are 
>they better or worse than older players such as the OMS-7?
>
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 06:04:38 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:04:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
References: <000d01c488c6$a71a3030$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <003901c4898f$838ef7d0$6501a8c0@dougpc>

This advise from your music loving chemist.  MEK stands for methylethylketone.  It is one of the strongest non-aqueous (no water) solvents available and will remove just about every trace of oil-based gunk (that's a technical term) from anything it comes into contact with, thus providing the ultimate in cleanliness.  It does however have a number of drawbacks that you should consider before you allow it to come into contact with treasured analogue equipment.  MEK will dissolve paint and plastic, so if an aborant drop hits your prized Nakamichi, it will instantly blister the paint, fog the plastic, and ruin any of the applied decals.  Isopropanol will not do that, or will do it so slowy that you will never notice.  MEK will also extract softeners from the pinch rollers and will eventually turn them from a semi-plyable rubber into a state that resembles a bowling ball, which might accelerate degradation of your precious recorded tapes.  I have no specific facts regarding hardened rollers and tape life, but I would prefer the softer variety to the harder one.  MEK will also dissolve any plastic part that it contacts, and all Naks have plenty of plastic in the transport, so if you are sold on MEK, take plenty of care in its application to your deck.

There are safety concerns with MEK as well.  I will not go into length here, but if you buy some, it is in your best interest to read the label carefully and abide by the recommendations, as it can be quite hazardous.

As always...it's about the music,
dino


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  Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:07 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] MEK


  Ali wrote:

  Hi Paul,  Thanks for the tip on head cleaning , where can you get MEK?!! is 
  it available at home depot? Also like to know what does the turpentine does to  
  a tired belt that makes it work again?  most belt are already too streched 
  i.e have become loose  or the rubber in the belt has lost its elastic property 
  how can turpentine cure this?!! Please let me know!  Thanks!

  With Best Regards!
  Ali

  Hi Ali,

  MEK is available at Home Depot, and Ace Hardware....at least in my area.  A quart can will last forever.  I was wondering if anyone knew if it would be wise to mix some MEK in with some isopropyl alcohol to boost its solvent strength a little, but without going all the way to straight MEK. Are they compatible?  Kannan...are you listening? (And how are you enjoying Chicago?)

  Robert Kent


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From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz  Tue Aug 24 11:30:30 2004
From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:30:30 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] Weight of CR-7 query
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Hi,...can anyone help me out...what's the weight of a CR-7 cassette 
deck...either by itself or boxed up?

Thanks in advance



From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Mon Aug 23 09:52:21 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:52:21 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
References: <00c901c485d3$48db6cf0$1210a8c0@tg>
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Thanks Carlos, we appreciate your great works....
Tayfur
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  Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII


  Unfortunately not. I sent you a CD set and you can transfer it to the cassette. Sorry !

  OK guys, this the Marathon tape update. Finally the sets were packed and the authentication certificate included. The opening set has been awarded to Ti Kan from California: set # 04-02-200 .  

  The best recording award went to the joint effort of the San Francisco's team.

  Mr. Bleus has been awarded with a bonus CD of John Mayal's live concert taken from a bootleg source.

  Most of the "domestic" sets has been shipped out with the international ones to be ship later this week. 

  Enjoy it and thanks for your patience !

  Carlos


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Tayfur Gunay 
    To: Talk about Naks 
    Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:59 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII


    Hi Carlos,

    Any possibility for those who like to receive the project as Cassette (not CD), than what will be cost (for sure you'll spend more effort on it and the cost to be higher) .

    What will be the others opinion, myself do prefer analog media to digital, esp while talking about cass.decks.

    Thanks,
    Tayfur


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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Aug 24 16:20:53 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:20:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Specifications
In-Reply-To: <003b01c48953$402e8d20$7563893e@oemcomputer>
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Is there anywhere to get thorough specs for Nak decks?



From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Tue Aug 24 16:25:36 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:25:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Slow speed
In-Reply-To: <003b01c48953$402e8d20$7563893e@oemcomputer>
References: <20040822230920.71131.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
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Have given up hope on one of my decks that records too slow.
Thoroughly cleaned it.
Replaced all belts (a thorough pain in the ass).

No luck. Still slow.

It finally threw the belt as I was fiddling with it.

I noticed it was made for the Canadian market, but as far as I know that 
shouldn't be a problem. I guess the motor is running out of steam which 
probably relegates it to the scrap heap. Too bad.  



From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Aug 24 16:59:36 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:59:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: Mark...Your expertise advice!
In-Reply-To: <s12b4dc4.032@mroute.sunint.co.za>
References: <s12b4dc4.032@mroute.sunint.co.za>
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This guy really knows his Maxell cassette history, impressive!

John T.

Quoting Mark Hugo <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>:

> 
> 
> >>> Mark Hugo 08/24/04 01:13PM >>>
> Shalom Alex,
> 
> Your XLII-S box of tapes are from the 1993 onwards line, that continued for
> several years in that packaging style.  It was the second version of the
> SS-PA mechanism which came out in 1990.  The first SS-PA version had a very
> small "window".......this was significantly enlarged three years later to the
> one you have there.  Note the first use of "italic" legends on the shell
> which prevailed through the 1993-1997 versions.   Maxell had also dropped the
> square gold badges above and below the window.  Also, the different "feel" to
> the shell (when compared with samples from the 80's) originating from the
> ongoing use of composite materials (started in 1990) in the shell.  These
> materials were said to resist heat better and help reduce modulation noise.
> 
> Enjoy those tapes Alex!!!  
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> 
> >>> "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com> 08/24/04 12:48PM >>>
> Shalom Mark!
> 
> Here is my only box of Maxell XL-2-S 100 minutes cassettes that once I
> acquired.
> 
> Can you with your widely knowledge on Maxell brand, from which year is my
> box?
> 
> Thanks so much for your always good will on all members of Nak forum...!
> Bravo!!!
> 
> Faithfully,
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Aug 25 00:21:14 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:21:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X or Maxell XLII-S,which is best?
References: <003b01c48953$402e8d20$7563893e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001601c48a28$ababe270$57773242@CopyTech>

Hey Gra':

Just saw a mint B 215 at e bay at $886.00 with a few days to go. Perhaps you
are interested.

Wow ! and I sold mine for under $500.00 ...

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK SA-X or Maxell XLII-S,which is best?


> Tape or shell??
>
> If tape ... probably depends on which of the tapes your deck has been
tubed
> to accept.  Otherwise, in my view there're neck and neck although there
> seems to be some emerging view that the Maxell may last longer.   There
also
> seems there may be a difference in terms of quality control between the
TDK
> tapes that were made in Japan and those made in Europe.  This is certainly
> the case with the shells.  The most recent TDK tape shells from the
European
> plant are bad un's and make it necessary to readjust the azimuth for
> recording on my ZX9 for each side of the cassette.  I have no such
problems
> with any other make of tape that I use.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith Hugo
> > Sent: 23 August 2004 00:09
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X or Maxell XLII-S,which is best?
> >
> >
> > Which tape SA-X or XLII-S is the superior type II
> > tape?Thanks,Keith H.
> >
> >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Aug 24 21:57:21 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:57:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA-X or Maxell XLII-S,which is best?
In-Reply-To: <001601c48a28$ababe270$57773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000001c48a14$918e0800$8079893e@oemcomputer>

Thanks for the tip-off, Carlos, but $800 it's a bit rich for me at the
moment.  I'm about to buy a "new" car ...

Gra'

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> Behalf Of El Magnifico
> Sent: 24 August 2004 23:21
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK SA-X or Maxell XLII-S,which is best?
>
>
> Hey Gra':
>
> Just saw a mint B 215 at e bay at $886.00 with a few days to go.
> Perhaps you
> are interested.
>
> Wow ! and I sold mine for under $500.00 ...
>
> Carlos
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Tue Aug 24 22:38:30 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:38:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
Message-ID: <002101c48a1a$51558b40$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hey Dino,

Great information on MEK.....thanks!  Do you know if it is advisable to mix a little MEK in with Isopropanol to give it a boost?  Say 1 to 5 proportions.  Or is this a bad idea, or a waste of time?  Would they combine chemically in some undesirable fashion?

Robert Kent

Dino wrote:

This advise from your music loving chemist.  MEK stands for methylethylketone.  It is one of the strongest non-aqueous (no water) solvents available and will remove just about every trace of oil-based gunk (that's a technical term) from anything it comes into contact with, thus providing the ultimate in cleanliness.  It does however have a number of drawbacks that you should consider before you allow it to come into contact with treasured analogue equipment.  MEK will dissolve paint and plastic, so if an aborant drop hits your prized Nakamichi, it will instantly blister the paint, fog the plastic, and ruin any of the applied decals.  Isopropanol will not do that, or will do it so slowy that you will never notice.  MEK will also extract softeners from the pinch rollers and will eventually turn them from a semi-plyable rubber into a state that resembles a bowling ball, which might accelerate degradation of your precious recorded tapes.  I have no specific facts regarding harde!
 ned rollers and tape life, but I would prefer the softer variety to the harder one.  MEK will also dissolve any plastic part that it contacts, and all Naks have plenty of plastic in the transport, so if you are sold on MEK, take plenty of care in its application to your deck.

There are safety concerns with MEK as well.  I will not go into length here, but if you buy some, it is in your best interest to read the label carefully and abide by the recommendations, as it can be quite hazardous.

As always...it's about the music,
dino
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Tue Aug 24 23:17:21 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:17:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A  vs RX505
In-Reply-To: <BD4FDB80.14B1%bakerbiker@pioneernet.net>
References: <BD4FDB80.14B1%bakerbiker@pioneernet.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040824170120.023a08f0@pop.iquebec.com>

At 20:36 08/23/2004, you wrote:
>Could anyone tell me what features one of these cassette decks has that the
>other doesn't ?  Thanks,  JayB

There are a bunch of small differences but the most important ones that 
come to mind are:

RX-505: -Uni-directional auto-reverse (i.e. it flips the cassette over at 
the end)

CR-7:   -Auto-calibration
         -User adjustable playback azimuth while playing (even on the remote)
         -Wireless remote control
         -Real-time counter
         -No auto-reverse

Both are dual-capstan, three-head units. I believe that the main capstan on 
the CR-7 is direct driven.




From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Tue Aug 24 23:00:07 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:00:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Weight of CR-7 query
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040824212912.01ee2ec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040824212912.01ee2ec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040824165700.023a5e60@pop.iquebec.com>

At 05:30 08/24/2004, you wrote:
>Hi,...can anyone help me out...what's the weight of a CR-7 cassette 
>deck...either by itself or boxed up?
>
>Thanks in advance

By itself, just under 20 pounds (approximately 9 Kg).




From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Aug 24 19:43:13 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:43:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon project
In-Reply-To: <A2CC2216-F53D-11D8-904D-000D93C246E2@mac.com>
References: <200408222205.i7MM5PUM007263@zebra.naks.com>
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And nothing less than a gold! 


\Quoting Fred Lifton <flifton at mac.com>:

> Thanks Carlos! Looking forward to hearing the results. If they gave 
> Olympic gold for taping marathons, you'd medal for sure.
> best,
> Fred
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From roleo at telus.net  Tue Aug 24 20:05:35 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:05:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Slow speed
References: <20040822230920.71131.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040824102058.026aad68@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <000b01c48a04$f4758020$6401a8c0@desktop>

Living in Canada, I can assure you that the voltage and cycles (60 Hz) are the same as the USA.

Have you tried playing with the speed adjuster on the back of the capstan motor?  You will need a
small slot screwdriver.  Sometimes the adjustment pot is covered by a rubber membrane of sorts to
keep dust (and curious owners) out.

You can usually tune it by ear, however, to be dead accurate you will need a tape calibrated on a
deck that you know is running at 1 7/8 ips for sure. Of course a Nak test tape will do it even
better.

-- Roland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:25 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Slow speed


> Have given up hope on one of my decks that records too slow.
> Thoroughly cleaned it.
> Replaced all belts (a thorough pain in the ass).
>
> No luck. Still slow.
>
> It finally threw the belt as I was fiddling with it.
>
> I noticed it was made for the Canadian market, but as far as I know that
> shouldn't be a problem. I guess the motor is running out of steam which
> probably relegates it to the scrap heap. Too bad.
>
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From roleo at telus.net  Tue Aug 24 20:08:50 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:08:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Weight of CR-7 query
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040824212912.01ee2ec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz>
Message-ID: <002301c48a05$68790e10$6401a8c0@desktop>

19.8 lbs or 9 kg unboxed



 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brett Dickel" <bgdickel at paradise.net.nz>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:30 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Weight of CR-7 query


> Hi,...can anyone help me out...what's the weight of a CR-7 cassette 
> deck...either by itself or boxed up?
> 
> Thanks in advance
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From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 25 00:52:17 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:52:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
Message-ID: <005001c48a2d$01b6dfe0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Hi, Dean:

I too was curious when Stephen recommended the use of MEK for heads and rollers.  He took a close look at the heads on the CR-7 he Sanktified for me and said they were good for at least 7000 hours.  He said the rollers would last at least as long if I used MEK.  As a member of a small, élite group of Nakamichi technicians who have contributed actual design improvements to our beloved decks, I am following his advice  despite the misgivings you correctly voice.

In Canada, it's hard to find the stuff for consumer use (the local steel mill uses copious amounts of it, though).  I remember using it years ago on my boat as a solvent wash, so I was initially cautious about using it on my decks.  

As you wisely pointed out, its hazards have to be taken seriously.  200ppm seems to be the "legal" limit for exposure, 3000ppm requiring an independant oxygen supply.  Industrial warnings threaten defatting of the skin with prolonged exposure (they don't talk about the terrible infections/dermatitis from the cracked skin).  If you get it in the eyes  MEK can cause severe burns and permanent vision damage.  In higher concentrations the vapors can cause headache, dizziness, nausea, blurred vision and numbness of the extremities.
As you pointed out, avoid the styrene plastic bits on your Nak, especially the outer cosmetic parts--but damn, the white plastic guides, rubber, metal capstans and heads, though, come up amazingly clean and with a fresh, minty smell!  ;-)

Will keep everyone posted for premature rubber wear.

Best,



Paul Dingle


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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 25 05:13:54 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:13:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak "dealer"
Message-ID: <BAY2-F21XGdVNdfHtYo000982e8@hotmail.com>

Contact Stereo Exchange in NYC...Dave Wasserman's place always has the best 
of used High End gear!

Located on Broadway in lower Manhattan.

Neil


>From: Derrick Beckner <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Nak "dealer"
>Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:40:44 -0400
>
>Does anyone know of a reliable dealer in used Nak decks?  Really don't like 
>the idea of buying something as tricky as a nak deck over Ebay.  Thanks.
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 25 13:56:01 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:56:01 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
References: <005001c48a2d$01b6dfe0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV8aTCp0WSgg0001bb49@hotmail.com>

Dear Folks!

I can't understand the sole reason to use such "MEK"...that is dangerous?
What is wrong with "Plain Isopropyl Alcohol"...so immune to the rubber and other decks parts wear...;and most important to US...the Humans!!!

Regards,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fugue 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:52 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] MEK


  Hi, Dean:

  I too was curious when Stephen recommended the use of MEK for heads and rollers.  He took a close look at the heads on the CR-7 he Sanktified for me and said they were good for at least 7000 hours.  He said the rollers would last at least as long if I used MEK.  As a member of a small, élite group of Nakamichi technicians who have contributed actual design improvements to our beloved decks, I am following his advice  despite the misgivings you correctly voice.

  In Canada, it's hard to find the stuff for consumer use (the local steel mill uses copious amounts of it, though).  I remember using it years ago on my boat as a solvent wash, so I was initially cautious about using it on my decks.  

  As you wisely pointed out, its hazards have to be taken seriously.  200ppm seems to be the "legal" limit for exposure, 3000ppm requiring an independant oxygen supply.  Industrial warnings threaten defatting of the skin with prolonged exposure (they don't talk about the terrible infections/dermatitis from the cracked skin).  If you get it in the eyes  MEK can cause severe burns and permanent vision damage.  In higher concentrations the vapors can cause headache, dizziness, nausea, blurred vision and numbness of the extremities.
  As you pointed out, avoid the styrene plastic bits on your Nak, especially the outer cosmetic parts--but damn, the white plastic guides, rubber, metal capstans and heads, though, come up amazingly clean and with a fresh, minty smell!  ;-)

  Will keep everyone posted for premature rubber wear.

  Best,



  Paul Dingle





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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Wed Aug 25 16:22:41 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:22:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Slow speed
In-Reply-To: <000b01c48a04$f4758020$6401a8c0@desktop>
References: <20040822230920.71131.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
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Do all motors have these?  I tried to find one to no avail. This is a 
Yamaha, not a Nak.

At 11:05 AM 8/24/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Living in Canada, I can assure you that the voltage and cycles (60 Hz) are 
>the same as the USA.
>
>Have you tried playing with the speed adjuster on the back of the capstan 
>motor?  You will need a
>small slot screwdriver.  Sometimes the adjustment pot is covered by a 
>rubber membrane of sorts to
>keep dust (and curious owners) out.
>
>You can usually tune it by ear, however, to be dead accurate you will need 
>a tape calibrated on a
>deck that you know is running at 1 7/8 ips for sure. Of course a Nak test 
>tape will do it even
>better.
>
>-- Roland
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:25 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Slow speed
>
>
> > Have given up hope on one of my decks that records too slow.
> > Thoroughly cleaned it.
> > Replaced all belts (a thorough pain in the ass).
> >
> > No luck. Still slow.
> >
> > It finally threw the belt as I was fiddling with it.
> >
> > I noticed it was made for the Canadian market, but as far as I know that
> > shouldn't be a problem. I guess the motor is running out of steam which
> > probably relegates it to the scrap heap. Too bad.
> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Aug 25 18:16:57 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:16:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
References: <005001c48a2d$01b6dfe0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
	<BAY18-DAV8aTCp0WSgg0001bb49@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101c48ac0$712a0670$10b30642@john1patlmckrl>

I was told once that Isopropyl Alcohol contains lanolin which isn't recommended for cleaning parts.

John T.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alex Cozac 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK


  Dear Folks!

  I can't understand the sole reason to use such "MEK"...that is dangerous?
  What is wrong with "Plain Isopropyl Alcohol"...so immune to the rubber and other decks parts wear...;and most important to US...the Humans!!!

  Regards,

  ALEX!
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Fugue 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:52 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] MEK


    Hi, Dean:

    I too was curious when Stephen recommended the use of MEK for heads and rollers.  He took a close look at the heads on the CR-7 he Sanktified for me and said they were good for at least 7000 hours.  He said the rollers would last at least as long if I used MEK.  As a member of a small, élite group of Nakamichi technicians who have contributed actual design improvements to our beloved decks, I am following his advice  despite the misgivings you correctly voice.

    In Canada, it's hard to find the stuff for consumer use (the local steel mill uses copious amounts of it, though).  I remember using it years ago on my boat as a solvent wash, so I was initially cautious about using it on my decks.  

    As you wisely pointed out, its hazards have to be taken seriously.  200ppm seems to be the "legal" limit for exposure, 3000ppm requiring an independant oxygen supply.  Industrial warnings threaten defatting of the skin with prolonged exposure (they don't talk about the terrible infections/dermatitis from the cracked skin).  If you get it in the eyes  MEK can cause severe burns and permanent vision damage.  In higher concentrations the vapors can cause headache, dizziness, nausea, blurred vision and numbness of the extremities.
    As you pointed out, avoid the styrene plastic bits on your Nak, especially the outer cosmetic parts--but damn, the white plastic guides, rubber, metal capstans and heads, though, come up amazingly clean and with a fresh, minty smell!  ;-)

    Will keep everyone posted for premature rubber wear.

    Best,



    Paul Dingle





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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Aug 25 18:23:19 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:23:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY TCD-D3 battery question
Message-ID: <004201c48ac0$71ad4030$10b30642@john1patlmckrl>

I own a SONY TCD-D3 portable DAT recorder. The batteries I have for this machine gave out years ago. Fellow D3 users what are you using as a replacement remote power source?

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 26 04:25:22 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:25:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
References: <005001c48a2d$01b6dfe0$8902a8c0@WARBIRD><BAY18-DAV8aTCp0WSgg0001bb49@hotmail.com>
	<004101c48ac0$712a0670$10b30642@john1patlmckrl>
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Dear John,

NO it's 100% completely clean! Cheap and NO dangerous!!!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John M. Tooley 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK


  I was told once that Isopropyl Alcohol contains lanolin which isn't recommended for cleaning parts.

  John T.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Alex Cozac 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:56 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK


    Dear Folks!

    I can't understand the sole reason to use such "MEK"...that is dangerous?
    What is wrong with "Plain Isopropyl Alcohol"...so immune to the rubber and other decks parts wear...;and most important to US...the Humans!!!

    Regards,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Fugue 
      To: naktalk at naks.com 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:52 AM
      Subject: [naktalk] MEK


      Hi, Dean:

      I too was curious when Stephen recommended the use of MEK for heads and rollers.  He took a close look at the heads on the CR-7 he Sanktified for me and said they were good for at least 7000 hours.  He said the rollers would last at least as long if I used MEK.  As a member of a small, élite group of Nakamichi technicians who have contributed actual design improvements to our beloved decks, I am following his advice  despite the misgivings you correctly voice.

      In Canada, it's hard to find the stuff for consumer use (the local steel mill uses copious amounts of it, though).  I remember using it years ago on my boat as a solvent wash, so I was initially cautious about using it on my decks.  

      As you wisely pointed out, its hazards have to be taken seriously.  200ppm seems to be the "legal" limit for exposure, 3000ppm requiring an independant oxygen supply.  Industrial warnings threaten defatting of the skin with prolonged exposure (they don't talk about the terrible infections/dermatitis from the cracked skin).  If you get it in the eyes  MEK can cause severe burns and permanent vision damage.  In higher concentrations the vapors can cause headache, dizziness, nausea, blurred vision and numbness of the extremities.
      As you pointed out, avoid the styrene plastic bits on your Nak, especially the outer cosmetic parts--but damn, the white plastic guides, rubber, metal capstans and heads, though, come up amazingly clean and with a fresh, minty smell!  ;-)

      Will keep everyone posted for premature rubber wear.

      Best,



      Paul Dingle





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From ti at amb.org  Thu Aug 26 05:57:34 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
In-Reply-To: <004101c48ac0$712a0670$10b30642@john1patlmckrl> from "John M.
	Tooley" at Aug 25, 2004 12:16:57 PM
Message-ID: <20040826035734.21271D4A7@smtp.amb.org>

John M. Tooley writes:
> I was told once that Isopropyl Alcohol contains lanolin which isn't =
> recommended for cleaning parts.

I think this is true only for "rubbing alcohol" sold in pharmacies
where it's only about 70% isopropyl, plus other additives.  These
are not appropriate for use as tape head cleaners.

-Ti



From rjkent at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 05:59:15 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:59:15 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol and MEK
Message-ID: <001a01c48b21$0e8a41e0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

John T wrote:
I was told once that Isopropyl Alcohol contains lanolin which isn't recommended for cleaning parts.
John T.

Alex wrote:
NO it's 100% completely clean! Cheap and NO dangerous!!!
ALEX!

Hi John, Alex,

If you buy Rubbing Alcohol at the grocery store or pharmacy, it may contain lanolyn or more likely glycerine....neither one of which sounds like a good idea.  If you go to the hardware store and buy Isopropanol or Isopropyl Alcohol it will state the strength on the label....the higher the percentage, the less water it contains.

However, Jeff Galin at ESL recommends against the use of either Alcohol or MEK, and instead he suggests the use of S-721H or S-711 from American Recorder:  http://www.americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=12&products_id=108

I'm inclined to follow his advice since he has restored three of my Naks to like new condition, and I would like to keep them that way as long as possible.

Robert Kent

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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 01:20:47 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:20:47 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regular head
	cleaner! LOL!
Message-ID: <1cb.29aff27f.2e5e78cf@aol.com>

HI Paul,    Thanks for the tip on this MEK` Solvent  cleaning the heads on 
Nak,   but after reading about the safety and other hazards about this thing I 
have decided not to buy it! its not worth it!!  the regular head cleaner does 
excellent work so yes there is no reason to go with this dangerous solvent!  
Thanks!

With Best Regards!
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 26 01:10:53 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:10:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
Message-ID: <BAY2-F208AP61LzpLXQ000133d5@hotmail.com>

Hello out there!!!

Why all the verbiage?   Use Intraclean 711 or 721...this is the best "tool" 
available for the task at hand.

Neil


>From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK
>Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:16:57 -0400
>
>I was told once that Isopropyl Alcohol contains lanolin which isn't 
>recommended for cleaning parts.
>
>John T.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Alex Cozac
>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:56 AM
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK
>
>
>   Dear Folks!
>
>   I can't understand the sole reason to use such "MEK"...that is 
>dangerous?
>   What is wrong with "Plain Isopropyl Alcohol"...so immune to the rubber 
>and other decks parts wear...;and most important to US...the Humans!!!
>
>   Regards,
>
>   ALEX!
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Fugue
>     To: naktalk at naks.com
>     Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:52 AM
>     Subject: [naktalk] MEK
>
>
>     Hi, Dean:
>
>     I too was curious when Stephen recommended the use of MEK for heads 
>and rollers.  He took a close look at the heads on the CR-7 he Sanktified 
>for me and said they were good for at least 7000 hours.  He said the 
>rollers would last at least as long if I used MEK.  As a member of a small, 
>�lite group of Nakamichi technicians who have contributed actual design 
>improvements to our beloved decks, I am following his advice  despite the 
>misgivings you correctly voice.
>
>     In Canada, it's hard to find the stuff for consumer use (the local 
>steel mill uses copious amounts of it, though).  I remember using it years 
>ago on my boat as a solvent wash, so I was initially cautious about using 
>it on my decks.
>
>     As you wisely pointed out, its hazards have to be taken seriously.  
>200ppm seems to be the "legal" limit for exposure, 3000ppm requiring an 
>independant oxygen supply.  Industrial warnings threaten defatting of the 
>skin with prolonged exposure (they don't talk about the terrible 
>infections/dermatitis from the cracked skin).  If you get it in the eyes  
>MEK can cause severe burns and permanent vision damage.  In higher 
>concentrations the vapors can cause headache, dizziness, nausea, blurred 
>vision and numbness of the extremities.
>     As you pointed out, avoid the styrene plastic bits on your Nak, 
>especially the outer cosmetic parts--but damn, the white plastic guides, 
>rubber, metal capstans and heads, though, come up amazingly clean and with 
>a fresh, minty smell!  ;-)
>
>     Will keep everyone posted for premature rubber wear.
>
>     Best,
>
>
>
>     Paul Dingle
>
>
>
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From dbauer45 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 26 03:11:50 2004
From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:11:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
References: <002101c48a1a$51558b40$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <002401c48b09$aac28da0$6401a8c0@cn593434a>

I saw someone mention that lanolin can be found in isopropanol, and that it will create a film on the parts which you think you just cleaned.  I have not checked up on the factual basis of this, but I will say that most cheap solvents are not very pure (there is other unwanted stuff in there), and that this unwanted stuff can indeed create films on surfaces.  Try getting different sections of a sun lit window glass really clean on a sunny day with different kinds of glass cleaner (or if you want to experiment, try cleaning small areas with your favorate tape deck cleaner ).  Higher purity solvents will generally give better results and leave less residue.

As you might expect, there are different grades of isopropanol available.  However, if you want the best you can get for cheap, buy the lowest grade available and distill your own.  This may require the use of your neighbor's still and moonshine jug.

dino
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:38 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] MEK


  Hey Dino,

  Great information on MEK.....thanks!  Do you know if it is advisable to mix a little MEK in with Isopropanol to give it a boost?  Say 1 to 5 proportions.  Or is this a bad idea, or a waste of time?  Would they combine chemically in some undesirable fashion?

  Robert Kent

  Dino wrote:

  This advise from your music loving chemist.  MEK stands for methylethylketone.  It is one of the strongest non-aqueous (no water) solvents available and will remove just about every trace of oil-based gunk (that's a technical term) from anything it comes into contact with, thus providing the ultimate in cleanliness.  It does however have a number of drawbacks that you should consider before you allow it to come into contact with treasured analogue equipment.  MEK will dissolve paint and plastic, so if an aborant drop hits your prized Nakamichi, it will instantly blister the paint, fog the plastic, and ruin any of the applied decals.  Isopropanol will not do that, or will do it so slowy that you will never notice.  MEK will also extract softeners from the pinch rollers and will eventually turn them from a semi-plyable rubber into a state that resembles a bowling ball, which might accelerate degradation of your precious recorded tapes.  I have no specific facts regarding harde!
   ned rollers and tape life, but I would prefer the softer variety to the harder one.  MEK will also dissolve any plastic part that it contacts, and all Naks have plenty of plastic in the transport, so if you are sold on MEK, take plenty of care in its application to your deck.

  There are safety concerns with MEK as well.  I will not go into length here, but if you buy some, it is in your best interest to read the label carefully and abide by the recommendations, as it can be quite hazardous.

  As always...it's about the music,
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Aug 26 07:23:12 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 1:23:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A stuck tape
Message-ID: <20040826052309.XZDB4710.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Well, I don't have a clue how it happened, but I powered up my system today and noticed the forward, play and reverse lights all lit on my CR-7A.  

After scratching my head a bit, I noticed the heads were up in the play position.  I can see where the tape was unwound in the shell through the view window.

I turned off the deck and the heads still stayed up.  Hitting the eject button doesn't work and I cannot press it fully.  I can see the shiny pin that is supposed to eject that cassette tray but that seems like it's jammed also.

How do I removed the cassette when I cannot get the eject button to fully engage and unlock?

Roland

Roland



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 26 09:44:57 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:44:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] American Recorder Technologies
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV14I3F5Y0Zw00006d27@hotmail.com>

, Jeff Galin at ESL recommends against the use of either Alcohol or MEK, and
instead he suggests the use of S-721H or S-711 from American Recorder:
http://www.americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=12&products_id=108

I'm inclined to follow his advice since he has restored three of my Naks to
like new condition, and I would like to keep them that way as long as
possible.

Robert Kent

http://americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=108&reviews_id=1

I just wrote a mail, asking them if can shipp to Israel, and how much will
cost me!

Regards,

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 26 10:48:01 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:48:01 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] MEK
References: <002101c48a1a$51558b40$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
	<002401c48b09$aac28da0$6401a8c0@cn593434a>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12iz2Mb1s700022e5c@hotmail.com>

Shalom Dean!

What I use and have in possession is such "Ultra High Pure" German brand "Meck" for Laboratory use...the "Most" expensive to obtain 98% pure (When was acquired factory sealed; today after so many refills contends more water that when was first opened this one Liter brown glass bottle), Isopropyl Alcohol.

However; I ask to the 712 solution dealer, in US, if he can ship to Israel?
The bottle cost list price $:10.00 which is very "Affordable"...now depends of him if he wants to ship and how much; he will charge!

I will inform to all of you IF...? I will receive such 712 solution!

Happy Listening,

ALEX! 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dean Bauer 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK


  I saw someone mention that lanolin can be found in isopropanol, and that it will create a film on the parts which you think you just cleaned.  I have not checked up on the factual basis of this, but I will say that most cheap solvents are not very pure (there is other unwanted stuff in there), and that this unwanted stuff can indeed create films on surfaces.  Try getting different sections of a sun lit window glass really clean on a sunny day with different kinds of glass cleaner (or if you want to experiment, try cleaning small areas with your favorate tape deck cleaner ).  Higher purity solvents will generally give better results and leave less residue.

  As you might expect, there are different grades of isopropanol available.  However, if you want the best you can get for cheap, buy the lowest grade available and distill your own.  This may require the use of your neighbor's still and moonshine jug.

  dino
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: rjkent at comcast.net 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:38 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] MEK


    Hey Dino,

    Great information on MEK.....thanks!  Do you know if it is advisable to mix a little MEK in with Isopropanol to give it a boost?  Say 1 to 5 proportions.  Or is this a bad idea, or a waste of time?  Would they combine chemically in some undesirable fashion?

    Robert Kent

    Dino wrote:

    This advise from your music loving chemist.  MEK stands for methylethylketone.  It is one of the strongest non-aqueous (no water) solvents available and will remove just about every trace of oil-based gunk (that's a technical term) from anything it comes into contact with, thus providing the ultimate in cleanliness.  It does however have a number of drawbacks that you should consider before you allow it to come into contact with treasured analogue equipment.  MEK will dissolve paint and plastic, so if an aborant drop hits your prized Nakamichi, it will instantly blister the paint, fog the plastic, and ruin any of the applied decals.  Isopropanol will not do that, or will do it so slowy that you will never notice.  MEK will also extract softeners from the pinch rollers and will eventually turn them from a semi-plyable rubber into a state that resembles a bowling ball, which might accelerate degradation of your precious recorded tapes.  I have no specific facts regarding harde!
     ned rollers and tape life, but I would prefer the softer variety to the harder one.  MEK will also dissolve any plastic part that it contacts, and all Naks have plenty of plastic in the transport, so if you are sold on MEK, take plenty of care in its application to your deck.

    There are safety concerns with MEK as well.  I will not go into length here, but if you buy some, it is in your best interest to read the label carefully and abide by the recommendations, as it can be quite hazardous.

    As always...it's about the music,
    dino


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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Aug 26 09:50:52 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:50:52 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regular
	headcleaner! LOL!
References: <1cb.29aff27f.2e5e78cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c48b41$697b2630$1210a8c0@tg>

Hi Everybody,

I'm not a chemist but due to my business line, I have he possibility to obtain pure both MEK and Isopropyl Alcohol from the chemical refinery, in purest condition; I have physically tested both. 

Dont even "think" about to use them directly on Nak machines (or on any other electronics) neither on teflon or metal surfaces. They immediately cause damage (whitening even causing melting) on the surface as soon as they contact the air...

Solvents you see in the market shud be containing very very little (=trace) of them but they are still not good; and dont let it mislead you that more purity better resulting; **********Stay away from MEK & Isopropyl Alcohol*********

Happy Nakking......
Tayfur

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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regular headcleaner! LOL!


  HI Paul,    Thanks for the tip on this MEK` Solvent  cleaning the heads on Nak,   but after reading about the safety and other hazards about this thing I have decided not to buy it! its not worth it!!  the regular head cleaner does excellent work so yes there is no reason to go with this dangerous solvent!  Thanks!

  With Best Regards!
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Aug 26 14:51:19 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:51:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Slow speed
In-Reply-To: <000b01c48a04$f4758020$6401a8c0@desktop>
References: <20040822230920.71131.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
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Found the bugger!  Amazing how much easier things are when you know what 
you're doing. :)  Thanks a lot for the tip.  Got my factory CD and cassette 
of "Face Value" in order to get the speed right.

At 11:05 AM 8/24/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Living in Canada, I can assure you that the voltage and cycles (60 Hz) are 
>the same as the USA.
>
>Have you tried playing with the speed adjuster on the back of the capstan 
>motor?  You will need a
>small slot screwdriver.  Sometimes the adjustment pot is covered by a 
>rubber membrane of sorts to
>keep dust (and curious owners) out.
>
>You can usually tune it by ear, however, to be dead accurate you will need 
>a tape calibrated on a
>deck that you know is running at 1 7/8 ips for sure. Of course a Nak test 
>tape will do it even
>better.
>
>-- Roland



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 26 16:21:36 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:21:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with
	regularheadcleaner! LOL!
References: <1cb.29aff27f.2e5e78cf@aol.com> <006b01c48b41$697b2630$1210a8c0@tg>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV2lKvK0LnQs000245db@hotmail.com>

Dear Tayfur!

What did you heart fully recommended? The "Cleaning Leader"..on Maxell or TDK cassettes, really "Do Not"..clean the "Residue"...leave on the heads? I know that my Dragon winds the "leader"...however I "Wind Back"...till stops, and push the "Play" button so the leader pass trough the heads, taking "Any" trace of residues...? Also I live in Israel and is very hot here in Summer as now, so my "Pure" German "Meck" Isopropyl alcohol dries instantly!
All my RtoR machines, vintages 700 and 1000/2 Nak machines was cleaned with Isopropyl alcohol...and when I sold them all was perfectly!

OK...so do us a favor...your expertise advice/recommendation...Please!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tayfur Gunay 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regularheadcleaner! LOL!


  Hi Everybody,

  I'm not a chemist but due to my business line, I have he possibility to obtain pure both MEK and Isopropyl Alcohol from the chemical refinery, in purest condition; I have physically tested both. 

  Dont even "think" about to use them directly on Nak machines (or on any other electronics) neither on teflon or metal surfaces. They immediately cause damage (whitening even causing melting) on the surface as soon as they contact the air...

  Solvents you see in the market shud be containing very very little (=trace) of them but they are still not good; and dont let it mislead you that more purity better resulting; **********Stay away from MEK & Isopropyl Alcohol*********

  Happy Nakking......
  Tayfur

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: BOEING747600 at aol.com 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:20 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regular headcleaner! LOL!


    HI Paul,    Thanks for the tip on this MEK` Solvent  cleaning the heads on Nak,   but after reading about the safety and other hazards about this thing I have decided not to buy it! its not worth it!!  the regular head cleaner does excellent work so yes there is no reason to go with this dangerous solvent!  Thanks!

    With Best Regards!
    Ali


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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Aug 25 17:32:51 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:32:51 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Slow speed
References: <20040822230920.71131.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040824102058.026aad68@psulias.psu.edu>
	<000b01c48a04$f4758020$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <000001c48b7f$079306c0$c5299bca@aisha>


If you have another deck and a PC, record 3khz continuous tone from your PC
and play it back on your deck that needs alignment.  This time connect
playback out to soundcard in and use a freeware shareware spectrum analyzer
to see the 3khz on your screen and tweak the small pot n your capstan motor
(what type of deck is this anyway ?).

At least you'll get this deck play back at the same speed as the other one.
Tape speed is almost always adjustable through a pot somewhere, the most
difficult would be micro-adjusting dragon speed (iirc it's quartz locked).

Good luck !
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland Alford" <roleo at telus.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slow speed


> Living in Canada, I can assure you that the voltage and cycles (60 Hz) are
the same as the USA.
>
> Have you tried playing with the speed adjuster on the back of the capstan
motor?  You will need a
> small slot screwdriver.  Sometimes the adjustment pot is covered by a
rubber membrane of sorts to
> keep dust (and curious owners) out.
>
> You can usually tune it by ear, however, to be dead accurate you will need
a tape calibrated on a
> deck that you know is running at 1 7/8 ips for sure. Of course a Nak test
tape will do it even
> better.
>
> -- Roland
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:25 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Slow speed
>
>
> > Have given up hope on one of my decks that records too slow.
> > Thoroughly cleaned it.
> > Replaced all belts (a thorough pain in the ass).
> >
> > No luck. Still slow.
> >
> > It finally threw the belt as I was fiddling with it.
> >
> > I noticed it was made for the Canadian market, but as far as I know that
> > shouldn't be a problem. I guess the motor is running out of steam which
> > probably relegates it to the scrap heap. Too bad.
> >




From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Aug 26 17:24:08 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:24:08 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Slow speed
References: <20040822230920.71131.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040824102058.026aad68@psulias.psu.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040826084924.02715d68@psulias.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <000b01c48b80$bb951180$c5299bca@aisha>


Ugh, my reply was a bit too late eh ?  =)  Anyway, you can ask 'dragoners'
close to your area to record 400hz / 15k tone and see the resulting freq on
your pc for more accurate setup.  Ear is good enough though.

Cheers,
Salim SM


----- Original Message -----
From: "Derrick Beckner" <dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu>
To: "Roland Alford" <roleo at telus.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
<naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slow speed


> Found the bugger!  Amazing how much easier things are when you know what
> you're doing. :)  Thanks a lot for the tip.  Got my factory CD and
cassette
> of "Face Value" in order to get the speed right.
>
> At 11:05 AM 8/24/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >Living in Canada, I can assure you that the voltage and cycles (60 Hz)
are
> >the same as the USA.




From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Aug 26 20:52:49 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:52:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] marathon II
Message-ID: <7277-412E3181-2144@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

I recieved my set today!! Sincere thanks and admiration out  to each one
involved and thank you El Magnifico!

thank you very much,
gerald



From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Aug 27 05:08:58 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:08:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] marathon II
References: <7277-412E3181-2144@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001601c48be3$32e78fd0$85773242@CopyTech>

So, what do you think about it, Gerald ? The Tom Jones selection was
expanded and edited by yours truly. I really like this MK II set.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:52 AM
Subject: [naktalk] marathon II


> I recieved my set today!! Sincere thanks and admiration out  to each one
> involved and thank you El Magnifico!
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From ti at amb.org  Fri Aug 27 02:36:17 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:36:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon-II CD set received!
Message-ID: <20040827003617.7302DD500@smtp.amb.org>

Enjoying the music right now...  thanks so much Carlos.

-Ti



From ti at amb.org  Fri Aug 27 03:29:38 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:29:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon II - Can you hear a difference?
Message-ID: <20040827012938.23DAFD501@smtp.amb.org>

Hi all,

On Disc 2 of the Marathon-II CD set, you'll notice that Track 10
and track 14 are the same music.  However, one was recorded with
the CD player connected to the wall outlet with a standard AC power
cord, whereas another was with a Shunyata Research Anaconda "power snake"
cord ( for pictures see http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks ).

I won't yet tell which is which (and assuming Carlos didn't switch
the order just to confuse us), can you hear a difference? ;-)

-Ti



From jerryjg at webtv.net  Fri Aug 27 07:53:32 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:53:32 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] marathon II
Message-ID: <7276-412ECC5C-3313@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Carlos and Nakkers. I am ebullient(hold on while I check the
dictionary),yes I am ebullient all right,and the initial listen of the
S.F. sessions was very enjoyable and lots of great and superb sounding
tracks.I really needed this on a day when i smashed my wheel against a
curb and bent my suspension(forget National health care,we need national
car care!).Ti Kan;most certainly a big difference in 10 and 14! Track 10
blew me away and was really my favourite of the whole C.D.,while track
14 was not as good.Thanks again to all the Bay Area people for the
Really very fantastic effort,and thanks again for the masterfull studio
work Carlos.Hope to get a chance to listen to the other c.d. soon and
check out the Tom Jones Re-mix      

thank you very much,
gerald



From sharpei at verizon.net  Thu Aug 26 15:46:56 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:46:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] American Recorder Technologies S-721H
Message-ID: <412DE9D0.8060006@verizon.net>

Folks,

I've been using the American Recorder Technologies fluid for several 
years now with my 4 Naks. Its an excellent product. In addition to its 
cleaning role; to my knowledge its the only cleaner that will also 
revitalize the pinch rollers.

Mark
sharpei at verizon.net


From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Thu Aug 26 16:11:55 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:11:55 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking
	withregularheadcleaner! LOL!
References: <1cb.29aff27f.2e5e78cf@aol.com> <006b01c48b41$697b2630$1210a8c0@tg>
	<BAY18-DAV2lKvK0LnQs000245db@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <005601c48b76$a5031160$1210a8c0@tg>

Dear Alex,

My details were for the damage of pure products itself. As I told in such regular head cleaner liquids contain very low ppm. As those products are of  "alcohol" they, you are right, dry instantly but still leave residue (sticky residue). Cleaning the heads with "tape leader" never trust that application as the very beginning of tapes are open to atmospheric effects (moisture, statics etc). I agree with Dragon that leader part must be passed:)

OK now get ready, telling you the best liquid for cleaning the heads and pinch rollers; your SPIT .....
Try that one by the help of cotton sticks on heads and pinch rollers. I'm not jocking.....It is free of charge as well:)

Happy Nakking.
Tayfur

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alex Cozac 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking withregularheadcleaner! LOL!


  Dear Tayfur!

  What did you heart fully recommended? The "Cleaning Leader"..on Maxell or TDK cassettes, really "Do Not"..clean the "Residue"...leave on the heads? I know that my Dragon winds the "leader"...however I "Wind Back"...till stops, and push the "Play" button so the leader pass trough the heads, taking "Any" trace of residues...? Also I live in Israel and is very hot here in Summer as now, so my "Pure" German "Meck" Isopropyl alcohol dries instantly!
  All my RtoR machines, vintages 700 and 1000/2 Nak machines was cleaned with Isopropyl alcohol...and when I sold them all was perfectly!

  OK...so do us a favor...your expertise advice/recommendation...Please!

  Happy Listening,

  ALEX!
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Tayfur Gunay 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:50 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regularheadcleaner! LOL!


    Hi Everybody,

    I'm not a chemist but due to my business line, I have he possibility to obtain pure both MEK and Isopropyl Alcohol from the chemical refinery, in purest condition; I have physically tested both. 

    Dont even "think" about to use them directly on Nak machines (or on any other electronics) neither on teflon or metal surfaces. They immediately cause damage (whitening even causing melting) on the surface as soon as they contact the air...

    Solvents you see in the market shud be containing very very little (=trace) of them but they are still not good; and dont let it mislead you that more purity better resulting; **********Stay away from MEK & Isopropyl Alcohol*********

    Happy Nakking......
    Tayfur

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: BOEING747600 at aol.com 
      To: naktalk at naks.com 
      Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:20 AM
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regular headcleaner! LOL!


      HI Paul,    Thanks for the tip on this MEK` Solvent  cleaning the heads on Nak,   but after reading about the safety and other hazards about this thing I have decided not to buy it! its not worth it!!  the regular head cleaner does excellent work so yes there is no reason to go with this dangerous solvent!  Thanks!

      With Best Regards!
      Ali


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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 26 16:32:36 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:32:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Carlos, the Master
Message-ID: <412DF484.1070107@bellsouth.net>

Received the Marathon II CD today--wonderful. Thanks Carlos for a great job,
and thanks to all the others who contributed in many ways. Superb. Naks 
Rule!
Mike Moore





From BADANTH at aol.com  Thu Aug 26 17:47:13 2004
From: BADANTH at aol.com (BADANTH at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:47:13 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project MKII
Message-ID: <9.31d8e83c.2e5f6001@aol.com>

Got my set and must say it's superb as usual! Quite an ecclectic selection 
and a good mix of music. Thanks again Carlos for your time and expertise.

Regards,
Anthony

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From DFalanaki at cavbrem.co.nz  Fri Aug 27 08:29:59 2004
From: DFalanaki at cavbrem.co.nz (David Falanaki)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:29:59 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-4 recording
Message-ID: <E2BF32588F4C62408E5A3F53248519EF0755E9@cavaklnts10.cavbrem.co.nz>

Hello all

A moment of your time please.

I have a question regarding the service I need locally of my CR-4, I am a first-time user and recorder of such highly spec'd gear.

Both at recording and playback I am getting erratic results (levels high left low right and vice versa), same with calibration of standard SONY C-60s, from the Sonic Sense FAQ (excellent resource) I would want the local Nakamichi (NZ) distributor's engineers to correct its azimuth(?) which is a full service of sorts(?).

Its history I purchased it second-hand a couple of years ago (have wanted one since the 80s).

If you have time please reply.

Regards

David

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 27 11:01:23 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:01:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! stickingwithregularheadcleaner!
	LOL!
References: <1cb.29aff27f.2e5e78cf@aol.com>
	<006b01c48b41$697b2630$1210a8c0@tg><BAY18-DAV2lKvK0LnQs000245db@hotmail.com>
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My good friend Tayfur!

>OK now get ready, telling you the best liquid for cleaning the heads and pinch rollers; your SPIT .....
Try that one by the help of cotton sticks on heads and pinch rollers. I'm not joking.....It is free of charge as well:)<

You intend "Saliva"?

If yes I will try it!...Always available/free and fresh!!!

Cheers,

ALEX!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tayfur Gunay 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 4:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! stickingwithregularheadcleaner! LOL!


  Dear Alex,

  My details were for the damage of pure products itself. As I told in such regular head cleaner liquids contain very low ppm. As those products are of  "alcohol" they, you are right, dry instantly but still leave residue (sticky residue). Cleaning the heads with "tape leader" never trust that application as the very beginning of tapes are open to atmospheric effects (moisture, statics etc). I agree with Dragon that leader part must be passed:)

  OK now get ready, telling you the best liquid for cleaning the heads and pinch rollers; your SPIT .....
  Try that one by the help of cotton sticks on heads and pinch rollers. I'm not jocking.....It is free of charge as well:)

  Happy Nakking.
  Tayfur

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Alex Cozac 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:21 PM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking withregularheadcleaner! LOL!


    Dear Tayfur!

    What did you heart fully recommended? The "Cleaning Leader"..on Maxell or TDK cassettes, really "Do Not"..clean the "Residue"...leave on the heads? I know that my Dragon winds the "leader"...however I "Wind Back"...till stops, and push the "Play" button so the leader pass trough the heads, taking "Any" trace of residues...? Also I live in Israel and is very hot here in Summer as now, so my "Pure" German "Meck" Isopropyl alcohol dries instantly!
    All my RtoR machines, vintages 700 and 1000/2 Nak machines was cleaned with Isopropyl alcohol...and when I sold them all was perfectly!

    OK...so do us a favor...your expertise advice/recommendation...Please!

    Happy Listening,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Tayfur Gunay 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:50 AM
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regularheadcleaner! LOL!


      Hi Everybody,

      I'm not a chemist but due to my business line, I have he possibility to obtain pure both MEK and Isopropyl Alcohol from the chemical refinery, in purest condition; I have physically tested both. 

      Dont even "think" about to use them directly on Nak machines (or on any other electronics) neither on teflon or metal surfaces. They immediately cause damage (whitening even causing melting) on the surface as soon as they contact the air...

      Solvents you see in the market shud be containing very very little (=trace) of them but they are still not good; and dont let it mislead you that more purity better resulting; **********Stay away from MEK & Isopropyl Alcohol*********

      Happy Nakking......
      Tayfur

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: BOEING747600 at aol.com 
        To: naktalk at naks.com 
        Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:20 AM
        Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regular headcleaner! LOL!


        HI Paul,    Thanks for the tip on this MEK` Solvent  cleaning the heads on Nak,   but after reading about the safety and other hazards about this thing I have decided not to buy it! its not worth it!!  the regular head cleaner does excellent work so yes there is no reason to go with this dangerous solvent!  Thanks!

        With Best Regards!
        Ali


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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Aug 27 19:25:03 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:25:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon II - Can you hear a difference?
References: <20040827012938.23DAFD501@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c48c5a$caa4cdc0$05773242@CopyTech>

I didn't,so, you are right.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:29 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon II - Can you hear a difference?


> Hi all,
>
> On Disc 2 of the Marathon-II CD set, you'll notice that Track 10
> and track 14 are the same music.  However, one was recorded with
> the CD player connected to the wall outlet with a standard AC power
> cord, whereas another was with a Shunyata Research Anaconda "power snake"
> cord ( for pictures see http://www.amb.org/ti/audio/sfnaks ).
>
> I won't yet tell which is which (and assuming Carlos didn't switch
> the order just to confuse us), can you hear a difference? ;-)
>
> -Ti
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Aug 28 00:33:34 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:33:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! stickingwithregularheadcleaner!
	LOL!
In-Reply-To: <005601c48b76$a5031160$1210a8c0@tg>
Message-ID: <000001c48c85$e3975020$93894c51@oemcomputer>

Adding to this, an engineer once told me that the best thing to use to apply
"cleaner" to the tape heads is a freshly cleaned (grease free) little
finger - you know, the critter that sits on the far side of your hand!
Wouldn't suggest using it with MEK ...  What's so good, I was told, is that
the skin is very gently abrasive without being damaging.  I have used this
method with "tape head cleaner" (I presume this was Iso' watered down!) and
not experienced any problem with the tape heads or finger!  (However, I do
generally use cotton buds!  Why? I have sensitive skin that dries and cracks
easily ...)

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Tayfur Gunay
  Sent: 26 August 2004 15:12
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !!
stickingwithregularheadcleaner! LOL!


  Dear Alex,

  My details were for the damage of pure products itself. As I told in such
regular head cleaner liquids contain very low ppm. As those products are of
"alcohol" they, you are right, dry instantly but still leave residue (sticky
residue). Cleaning the heads with "tape leader" never trust that application
as the very beginning of tapes are open to atmospheric effects (moisture,
statics etc). I agree with Dragon that leader part must be passed:)

  OK now get ready, telling you the best liquid for cleaning the heads and
pinch rollers; your SPIT .....
  Try that one by the help of cotton sticks on heads and pinch rollers. I'm
not jocking.....It is free of charge as well:)

  Happy Nakking.
  Tayfur

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 28 05:51:24 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:51:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !!
	stickingwithregularheadcleaner!LOL!
References: <000001c48c85$e3975020$93894c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5kjj2SFLWy000289fa@hotmail.com>

Thanks Graham & Tayfur!

I just receive a response form the 712 liquid cleaner, which have a representative here in Israel I will be in touch with him...inform you my results!
I will try your advise...however here in my home area is extremely dry...and my hands are very dried!

Be all of you well!!!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 12:33 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! stickingwithregularheadcleaner!LOL!


  Adding to this, an engineer once told me that the best thing to use to apply "cleaner" to the tape heads is a freshly cleaned (grease free) little finger - you know, the critter that sits on the far side of your hand!  Wouldn't suggest using it with MEK ...  What's so good, I was told, is that the skin is very gently abrasive without being damaging.  I have used this method with "tape head cleaner" (I presume this was Iso' watered down!) and not experienced any problem with the tape heads or finger!  (However, I do generally use cotton buds!  Why? I have sensitive skin that dries and cracks easily ...)

  Gra'
    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tayfur Gunay
    Sent: 26 August 2004 15:12
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! stickingwithregularheadcleaner! LOL!


    Dear Alex,

    My details were for the damage of pure products itself. As I told in such regular head cleaner liquids contain very low ppm. As those products are of  "alcohol" they, you are right, dry instantly but still leave residue (sticky residue). Cleaning the heads with "tape leader" never trust that application as the very beginning of tapes are open to atmospheric effects (moisture, statics etc). I agree with Dragon that leader part must be passed:)

    OK now get ready, telling you the best liquid for cleaning the heads and pinch rollers; your SPIT .....
    Try that one by the help of cotton sticks on heads and pinch rollers. I'm not jocking.....It is free of charge as well:)

    Happy Nakking.
    Tayfur



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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 28 05:54:09 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:54:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Information on Dragons reparations!
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV12iOZaPtUO0002d655@hotmail.com>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liberman Sound" <info at libermansound.com>
To: "Alex Cozac" <alexcozac at hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: Information!


> Alex,
>
> At 02:10 AM 7/26/2004, you wrote:
>
> >Shalom,
> >
> >If...?, some day my Nakamichi Dragon, will need your service, as I live
in
> >Israel, I will be very pleased, knowing that you can service my unit, and
> >please; do not hesitate announcing me back your evaluation price for a
> >"General" check up & tuning, together with the price of the shipment from
> >Israel to your Lab?.
>
> The cost for an overhaul would be US $385 labor + $75 parts, or about
$460.
> If it does not need a complete overhaul it would be less, but chances are
> that it would due to its age.
>
> For the cost to ship, go to www.ups.com for UPS rates, or www.usps.com for
> the US Postal Service rates. Shipping location is El Cerrito, California
> (CA), 94530.
>
>
> >I attached a digit photo of my 3 best audio gear that I own so happy!
>
> Thanks, they look very nice!
>
> - Adam
>
>
> Adam Liberman
> Liberman Sound
> info at libermansound.com
> www.libermansound.com
> 510-526-5447
>
>
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Fri Aug 27 10:12:47 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:12:47 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !!
	stickingwithregularheadcleaner!LOL!
References: <1cb.29aff27f.2e5e78cf@aol.com><006b01c48b41$697b2630$1210a8c0@tg><BAY18-DAV2lKvK0LnQs000245db@hotmail.com><005601c48b76$a5031160$1210a8c0@tg>
	<BAY18-DAV17DAeys8FS0000d50e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <009601c48c0d$a5f2e900$1210a8c0@tg>

Hi Alex, YES,..try it......

Tayfur
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alex Cozac 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! stickingwithregularheadcleaner!LOL!


  My good friend Tayfur!

  >OK now get ready, telling you the best liquid for cleaning the heads and pinch rollers; your SPIT .....
  Try that one by the help of cotton sticks on heads and pinch rollers. I'm not joking.....It is free of charge as well:)<

  You intend "Saliva"?

  If yes I will try it!...Always available/free and fresh!!!

  Cheers,

  ALEX!

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Tayfur Gunay 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 4:11 PM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! stickingwithregularheadcleaner! LOL!


    Dear Alex,

    My details were for the damage of pure products itself. As I told in such regular head cleaner liquids contain very low ppm. As those products are of  "alcohol" they, you are right, dry instantly but still leave residue (sticky residue). Cleaning the heads with "tape leader" never trust that application as the very beginning of tapes are open to atmospheric effects (moisture, statics etc). I agree with Dragon that leader part must be passed:)

    OK now get ready, telling you the best liquid for cleaning the heads and pinch rollers; your SPIT .....
    Try that one by the help of cotton sticks on heads and pinch rollers. I'm not jocking.....It is free of charge as well:)

    Happy Nakking.
    Tayfur

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Alex Cozac 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:21 PM
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking withregularheadcleaner! LOL!


      Dear Tayfur!

      What did you heart fully recommended? The "Cleaning Leader"..on Maxell or TDK cassettes, really "Do Not"..clean the "Residue"...leave on the heads? I know that my Dragon winds the "leader"...however I "Wind Back"...till stops, and push the "Play" button so the leader pass trough the heads, taking "Any" trace of residues...? Also I live in Israel and is very hot here in Summer as now, so my "Pure" German "Meck" Isopropyl alcohol dries instantly!
      All my RtoR machines, vintages 700 and 1000/2 Nak machines was cleaned with Isopropyl alcohol...and when I sold them all was perfectly!

      OK...so do us a favor...your expertise advice/recommendation...Please!

      Happy Listening,

      ALEX!
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Tayfur Gunay 
        To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
        Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:50 AM
        Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regularheadcleaner! LOL!


        Hi Everybody,

        I'm not a chemist but due to my business line, I have he possibility to obtain pure both MEK and Isopropyl Alcohol from the chemical refinery, in purest condition; I have physically tested both. 

        Dont even "think" about to use them directly on Nak machines (or on any other electronics) neither on teflon or metal surfaces. They immediately cause damage (whitening even causing melting) on the surface as soon as they contact the air...

        Solvents you see in the market shud be containing very very little (=trace) of them but they are still not good; and dont let it mislead you that more purity better resulting; **********Stay away from MEK & Isopropyl Alcohol*********

        Happy Nakking......
        Tayfur

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: BOEING747600 at aol.com 
          To: naktalk at naks.com 
          Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:20 AM
          Subject: Re: [naktalk] MEK its not worth it !! sticking with regular headcleaner! LOL!


          HI Paul,    Thanks for the tip on this MEK` Solvent  cleaning the heads on Nak,   but after reading about the safety and other hazards about this thing I have decided not to buy it! its not worth it!!  the regular head cleaner does excellent work so yes there is no reason to go with this dangerous solvent!  Thanks!

          With Best Regards!
          Ali


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Aug 27 15:46:42 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:46:42 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] marathon II
References: <7277-412E3181-2144@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
	<001601c48be3$32e78fd0$85773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <003b01c48c3c$49942af0$07b30642@john1patlmckrl>

Got mine Carlos, many thanks my friend. Now to get some quality time to 
listen.

John T.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] marathon II


> So, what do you think about it, Gerald ? The Tom Jones selection was
> expanded and edited by yours truly. I really like this MK II set.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:52 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] marathon II
>
>
>> I recieved my set today!! Sincere thanks and admiration out  to each one
>> involved and thank you El Magnifico!
>>
>> thank you very much,
>> gerald
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Aug 27 20:26:41 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:26:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A head won't go down
Message-ID: <20040827182640.NBAY10626.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Okay, it's not a stuck tape.  The head assembly is in the up position and it won't go down.  Is this more or less a severe problem or is there some kind of belt that let go and needs to be replaced?

Roland

Roland



From fugue4all at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 27 18:26:59 2004
From: fugue4all at shaw.ca (Fugue)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:26:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] MEK MEk and more MEK!
Message-ID: <002a01c48c52$ad752900$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>

Wow--this issue has generated some discussion!  I've already MEK'd my way through an LX-3 rebuild and orange cap replacement (cannibilizing mechanical parts from a 480), and a cleanup & degreasing of a 500 for my wife's voice studio.

Jeff Galin at ESL, like Herr Sank, are well-respected gurus when it comes to Nakamichi gear.  Jeff recommends a high-end cleaner with no ingredient list I can find and it obviously works well.  Stephen recommends a strong solvent that also works well.  Over all the years he has been doing his service & rebuilds, he has never had a premature failure of a rubber, white plastic, or head due to the use use of MEK.  In addition, I'm sure he has exposed himself to the vapours for a long time, but is always coherent and erudite in his advice. ;-)

Could it be that Nakamichi has endowed their materials with mysterious anti-MEK properties??

This is a distant memory now, but I remember the small steel tins that Ampex used to sell with their head/roller cleaner in it (brown label?) smelled much like the MEK I use now.  We used it to clean our 8-track Ampex and 2-track Otari gear in music school.  As far as I know, they're still leading useful lives.
   
I'll keep you posted on anything further I find out--of particular interest to me is the longterm effect on drying out the rollers.

Best,

Paul Dingle
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From jay at benach.com  Fri Aug 27 21:20:01 2004
From: jay at benach.com (Jay)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:20:01 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Carlos is a ROCKSTAR!
Message-ID: <412F8961.1000500@benach.com>

That's it.  Marathon II is fan-TAS-tic.

And in a few weeks we'll start saying which of the 4 Marathon discs is 
our favorite...


From Tpfinn at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 27 22:20:33 2004
From: Tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terence Finn)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:20:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 505
Message-ID: <002b01c48c73$4f20e4e0$bcdf8351@oemcomputer>

Hi All

A quick peek over the parapet!

Can any one point me in the direction of a  PDF of the 505 instruction book

Many thanks

Terry
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From ktl at bornet.net  Sat Aug 28 21:57:15 2004
From: ktl at bornet.net (Tomas Larsson)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:57:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] MEK MEk and more MEK!
In-Reply-To: <002a01c48c52$ad752900$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAluSn7JHVyUuKseEZdXamkMKAAAAQAAAAiFTQz+RTr0yDFArQcsVFJwEAAAAA@bornet.net>

Well, MEK (MethylEthylKetone) is a marvellous fluid, Its mainly used to
clean plastic parts such as PVC and ABS before gluing.
It is a organic solvent (such as thinner) and as such, you shouldn't use it
in confined unventilated spaces, but for cleaning tape deck heads, it
shouldn't be dangerous.
The only problem with it is that it is a solvent, and as such plastic parts
is at danger, it will dissolve plastic parts, remember the usage for ABS and
PVC, to remove grease, oxide and to dissolve the surface to make the gluing
better.
Glues for ABS is basically ABS particles dissolved in MEK. 
However I think that Isopropanol is a safer use, bought 1 litres from
http://www.teslanol.com for about 10 euros.

-----Original Message-----
From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf
Of Fugue
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:27 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] MEK MEk and more MEK!


Wow--this issue has generated some discussion!  I've already MEK'd my way
through an LX-3 rebuild and orange cap replacement (cannibilizing mechanical
parts from a 480), and a cleanup & degreasing of a 500 for my wife's voice
studio.
 
Jeff Galin at ESL, like Herr Sank, are well-respected gurus when it comes to
Nakamichi gear.  Jeff recommends a high-end cleaner with no ingredient list
I can find and it obviously works well.  Stephen recommends a strong solvent
that also works well.  Over all the years he has been doing his service &
rebuilds, he has never had a premature failure of a rubber, white plastic,
or head due to the use use of MEK.  In addition, I'm sure he has exposed
himself to the vapours for a long time, but is always coherent and erudite
in his advice. ;-)
 
Could it be that Nakamichi has endowed their materials with mysterious
anti-MEK properties??
 
This is a distant memory now, but I remember the small steel tins that Ampex
used to sell with their head/roller cleaner in it (brown label?) smelled
much like the MEK I use now.  We used it to clean our 8-track Ampex and
2-track Otari gear in music school.  As far as I know, they're still leading
useful lives.
   
I'll keep you posted on anything further I find out--of particular interest
to me is the longterm effect on drying out the rollers.
 
Best,
 
Paul Dingle

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From virgo9851 at lycos.com  Sat Aug 28 22:05:57 2004
From: virgo9851 at lycos.com (KJ Parsons)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:05:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi ZX-9 Cassette Deck
Message-ID: <20040828200557.0A67EC6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Hello,

I'm a recent subscriber on NakTalk, and want to seek advice about purchasing a Nakamichi ZX-9 cassette deck.  I've done some research browsing the internet, and found many good reasons that have convinced me to own a ZX-9.  Now I'm looking for confirming andcounterpoint advice.  Naturally, before spending between $500 and $800 USD, I'd like to know what intricacies I should be investigating with sellers before committing to purchase payment.  Also, if anyone knows of a reliable seller at this time, kindly contact me via email at <virgo9851 at lycos.com>.

Thank you for your responses!

NakFanatic
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From flifton at mac.com  Sat Aug 28 23:01:20 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:01:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Maintenance: the next level
Message-ID: <69695E28-F935-11D8-B9C3-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
Lots of talk here lately about head-cleaning and de-magging, but what 
about the next level of Nak care? That is, I'm wondering what are the 
good "tune-up" procedures to perform when you have the hood up (case 
open). Should I condition the belts and squirt appropriate Caig 
products at the pots and motors every year or so? What's the best 
preventative procedures to keep my precious running year after year?
looking forward to your always expert responses.
gratefully,
Fred



From jeff at eslabs.com  Sat Aug 28 22:00:25 2004
From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:00:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] MEK MEk and more MEK!
References: <002a01c48c52$ad752900$8902a8c0@WARBIRD>
Message-ID: <021901c48d39$bef18c90$0202a8c0@SONYNOTEBOOK>

Paul,

The INTRACLEAN S-721 is a pure form of Hexane.

The INTRACLEAN S-711 was a pure form of 1, 1, 1 Trichloroethane and it's what we still use.  It is now banned for sale to the public.

The AMPEX cleaning chemical from the 50's & 60's was Carbontetrachloride.  After the ban on it, I think that they went to Trichloroethylene, which is now banned as well.

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin

"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! 
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700
Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET 
 jeff at nakamichi.us    jeff at eslabs.com 
                 www.nakamichi.us

    
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Fugue 
To: naktalk at naks.com 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:26 PM
Subject: [naktalk] MEK MEk and more MEK!


Wow--this issue has generated some discussion!  I've already MEK'd my way through an LX-3 rebuild and orange cap replacement (cannibilizing mechanical parts from a 480), and a cleanup & degreasing of a 500 for my wife's voice studio.

Jeff Galin at ESL, like Herr Sank, are well-respected gurus when it comes to Nakamichi gear.  Jeff recommends a high-end cleaner with no ingredient list I can find and it obviously works well.  Stephen recommends a strong solvent that also works well.  Over all the years he has been doing his service & rebuilds, he has never had a premature failure of a rubber, white plastic, or head due to the use use of MEK.  In addition, I'm sure he has exposed himself to the vapours for a long time, but is always coherent and erudite in his advice. ;-)

Could it be that Nakamichi has endowed their materials with mysterious anti-MEK properties??

This is a distant memory now, but I remember the small steel tins that Ampex used to sell with their head/roller cleaner in it (brown label?) smelled much like the MEK I use now.  We used it to clean our 8-track Ampex and 2-track Otari gear in music school.  As far as I know, they're still leading useful lives.
   
I'll keep you posted on anything further I find out--of particular interest to me is the longterm effect on drying out the rollers.

Best,

Paul Dingle


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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 29 00:38:47 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:38:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A head won't go down
In-Reply-To: <20040827182640.NBAY10626.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20040828223847.74851.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>

Sounds like the motor for changing modes is stuck.  Open the deck and
try giving it a little nudge.  Look for the motor driving a worm gear
and rotate the motor's shaft a little.  The motor might have
developed a dead spot.  I mention this problem briefly on my Nak web
page.  http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
If it is a dead spot on the motor your options are to replace it or
clean it.  You can clean it by spraying the thing full of contact
cleaner and while changing modes.  The contact cleaner will be black
as it comes out of the motor so you will want to be ready with plenty
of paper towels.  It makes a mess.

You'll probably want to send it to Mr. Sank and have it replaced and
calibrated (head alignment, bias, level, etc.) while it's there.  If
you send it to ESS they will want to do a complete overhaul and
charge you more than the deck is worth, but, it will be as good as
new.

SJ

--- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:

> Okay, it's not a stuck tape.  The head assembly is in the up
> position and it won't go down.  Is this more or less a severe
> problem or is there some kind of belt that let go and needs to be
> replaced?
> 
> Roland
> 
> Roland
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Aug 29 01:21:36 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:21:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi ZX-9 Cassette Deck
In-Reply-To: <20040828200557.0A67EC6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c48d55$c393dac0$94824c51@oemcomputer>

I'd be asking when it was last serviced and by whom, and when it was last
used.  Don't take "works perfectly" or "mint condition" for granted.  "Mint"
can mean, hardly ever used, still in the box and in storage, decaying slowly
for want of use, for the last 20 years!

I'd certainly not pay $800 for one, not today, unless it was from a truly
reputable dealer who'd completely renovated it, too.

Gra' (ZX-9 owner/user)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of KJ Parsons
> Sent: 28 August 2004 21:06
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi ZX-9 Cassette Deck
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm a recent subscriber on NakTalk, and want to seek advice about
> purchasing a Nakamichi ZX-9 cassette deck.  I've done some
> research browsing the internet, and found many good reasons that
> have convinced me to own a ZX-9.  Now I'm looking for confirming
> andcounterpoint advice.  Naturally, before spending between $500
> and $800 USD, I'd like to know what intricacies I should be
> investigating with sellers before committing to purchase payment.
>  Also, if anyone knows of a reliable seller at this time, kindly
> contact me via email at <virgo9851 at lycos.com>.
>
> Thank you for your responses!
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Aug 29 01:21:38 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:21:38 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi ZX-9 Cassette Deck  Mr Bleus!!!
In-Reply-To: <20040828200557.0A67EC6129@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <001001c48d55$c4f45520$94824c51@oemcomputer>

Hey there Bleus!  Same name and a ZX-9 fan - you guys related??!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of KJ Parsons
> Sent: 28 August 2004 21:06
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi ZX-9 Cassette Deck
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm a recent subscriber on NakTalk, and want to seek advice about 
> purchasing a Nakamichi ZX-9 cassette deck.  I've done some 
> research browsing the internet, and found many good reasons that 
> have convinced me to own a ZX-9.  Now I'm looking for confirming 
> andcounterpoint advice.  Naturally, before spending between $500 
> and $800 USD, I'd like to know what intricacies I should be 
> investigating with sellers before committing to purchase payment. 
>  Also, if anyone knows of a reliable seller at this time, kindly 
> contact me via email at <virgo9851 at lycos.com>.
> 
> Thank you for your responses!
> 
> NakFanatic

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Sun Aug 29 05:38:21 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:38:21 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project and Nak Cleaning
Message-ID: <000801c48d79$a20544b0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hey Carlos!

You the Man!!!!  Excellent!!!!  Bravo!!!!  

I have forwarded the information for cuts 4, 5, 6 on Disc 2 on to Mr. Blues for inclusion in the official track list.  Hey Gerald, its been a while so you may not remember, but you requested some percussion be included in the project.....track 4 was included specifically for you.

Regarding the use of spit to clean heads.....I don't think that would be wise either as it is mostly water and is somewhat acidic.  Regarding the use of you little finger as a cleaning tool....that also is a poor idea.  I do a fair amount of watch restoration as a hobby, and I can tell you that your fingers are constantly shedding little strands of tissue when you rub them on something....especially anything metalic with edges.  If you look with a microscope of at least 25x you can see these unwanted little strands all over anything you handle.....even after you clean your hands.

Robert Kent
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sun Aug 29 06:33:55 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:33:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] track 4 percussion 
Message-ID: <4167-41315CB3-692@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>

oustanding!! (gerald bows on his knees facing the east. Three times-IM
not worthy,im not worthy....

thank you very much,
gerald



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 29 07:52:27 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:52:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project and Nak Cleaning
References: <000801c48d79$a20544b0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10uuwmoU7y00033282@hotmail.com>

>Regarding the use of spit to clean heads.....I don't think that would be wise either as it is mostly water and is somewhat acidic.  Regarding the use of you little finger as a cleaning tool....that also is a poor idea.  I do a fair amount of watch restoration as a hobby, and I can tell you that your fingers are constantly shedding little strands of tissue when you rub them on something....especially anything metalic with edges.  If you look with a microscope of at least 25x you can see these unwanted little strands all over anything you handle.....even after you clean your hands<

Paul,

The INTRACLEAN S-721 is a pure form of Hexane.

The INTRACLEAN S-711 was a pure form of 1, 1, 1 Trichloroethane and it's what we still use.  It is now banned for sale to the public.

The AMPEX cleaning chemical from the 50's & 60's was Carbontetrachloride.  After the ban on it, I think that they went to Trichloroethylene, which is now banned as well.

Sincerely,
Jeff Galin

"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! 
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700
Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm ET 
 jeff at nakamichi.us    jeff at eslabs.com 
                 www.nakamichi.us

I will try to obtain now of these S-721 or maybe S-711! Your expertise opinion/s?

Regards,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: Carlos J Guzman ; naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:38 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project and Nak Cleaning


  Hey Carlos!

  You the Man!!!!  Excellent!!!!  Bravo!!!!  

  I have forwarded the information for cuts 4, 5, 6 on Disc 2 on to Mr. Blues for inclusion in the official track list.  Hey Gerald, its been a while so you may not remember, but you requested some percussion be included in the project.....track 4 was included specifically for you.

  Regarding the use of spit to clean heads.....I don't think that would be wise either as it is mostly water and is somewhat acidic.  Regarding the use of you little finger as a cleaning tool....that also is a poor idea.  I do a fair amount of watch restoration as a hobby, and I can tell you that your fingers are constantly shedding little strands of tissue when you rub them on something....especially anything metalic with edges.  If you look with a microscope of at least 25x you can see these unwanted little strands all over anything you handle.....even after you clean your hands.

  Robert Kent


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Aug 29 11:18:58 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:18:58 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Project and Nak Cleaning
In-Reply-To: <000801c48d79$a20544b0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <000c01c48da9$36fc2460$4b6b893e@oemcomputer>


  Regarding the use of you little finger as a cleaning tool....that also is
a poor idea.  I do a fair amount of watch restoration as a hobby, and I can
tell you that your fingers are constantly shedding little strands of tissue
when you rub them on something....especially anything metalic with edges.
If you look with a microscope of at least 25x you can see these unwanted
little strands all over anything you handle.....even after you clean your
hands.

  Robert Kent
  [Graham Nelson]

  Yes, I'd thought this might be the case.  But then, if you use "cotton
buds" and look under a microscope I'll bet you'd find a lot of "cotton"
fibres left behind on the heads, too.  Indeed, I read somewhere on the Net a
piece by an engineer that one should never use cotton buds for this precise
reason, and what was recommended instead was using foam or Chamois leather
headed sticks ... but Chamois leather would be similar to using a finger,
wouldn't it?

  Gra'
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From kjbleus at charter.net  Sun Aug 29 14:11:26 2004
From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:11:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 18, Issue 36
Message-ID: <001001c48dc1$511ce830$6401a8c0@MOHICANL0O3DH6>

Could be, Graham.  I just don't quite remember what I was doing yesterday
afternoon.  Certainly, you've heard of the Dr Jeckyll & Mr Hyde syndrome.
Happens ocasionally......

Dr Professor NakFanatic sometimes (Saturday afternoons) and Mr Bleus
usually, I presume.  I'll check-in with my dearest to learn if my alter-ego
has reappeared  :-}}

Anyone got a clean running ZX-9 for sale???

Regards,

Bleus


----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:21:38 +0100
> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi ZX-9 Cassette Deck  Mr Bleus!!!
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Message-ID: <001001c48d55$c4f45520$94824c51 at oemcomputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hey there Bleus!  Same name and a ZX-9 fan - You guys related??!
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> > Behalf of NakFanatic
> > Sent: 28 August 2004 21:06
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi ZX-9 Cassette Deck
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm a recent subscriber on NakTalk, and want to seek advice about
> > purchasing a Nakamichi ZX-9 cassette deck.  I've done some
> > research browsing the internet, and found many good reasons that
> > have convinced me to own a ZX-9.  Now I'm looking for confirming
> > andcounterpoint advice.  Naturally, before spending between $500
> > and $800 USD, I'd like to know what intricacies I should be
> > investigating with sellers before committing to purchase payment.
> >  Also, if anyone knows of a reliable seller at this time, kindly
> > contact me via email at <virgo9851 at lycos.com>.
> >
> > Thank you for your responses!
> >
> > NakFanatic
>
>
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>
>
>
> End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 18, Issue 36
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Aug 29 00:58:18 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:58:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A head won't go down
Message-ID: <20040828225818.RSYM1237.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Scott, no less than 20 minutes ago, I was able to free it up.  I could see that all too familiar site of tape losely floating about in the shell.  Much less, my $12 TDK XG tape that caused the problem.  The tape had found its way to one of the rubber rollers and wrapped itself around the mechanism.  After bravely taking it apart with the service manual in hand, I was able to free the offending tape.

An my wife wondered why I had ordered some head cleaning solution to keep all the parts free of contamination.  Of course, it would have helped if I actually USED the solution!!

Thanks for the reply.

Roland

> 
> From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/08/28 Sat PM 06:38:47 EDT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A head won't go down
> 
> Sounds like the motor for changing modes is stuck.  Open the deck and
> try giving it a little nudge.  Look for the motor driving a worm gear
> and rotate the motor's shaft a little.  The motor might have
> developed a dead spot.  I mention this problem briefly on my Nak web
> page.  http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
> If it is a dead spot on the motor your options are to replace it or
> clean it.  You can clean it by spraying the thing full of contact
> cleaner and while changing modes.  The contact cleaner will be black
> as it comes out of the motor so you will want to be ready with plenty
> of paper towels.  It makes a mess.
> 
> You'll probably want to send it to Mr. Sank and have it replaced and
> calibrated (head alignment, bias, level, etc.) while it's there.  If
> you send it to ESS they will want to do a complete overhaul and
> charge you more than the deck is worth, but, it will be as good as
> new.
> 
> SJ
> 
> --- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:
> 
> > Okay, it's not a stuck tape.  The head assembly is in the up
> > position and it won't go down.  Is this more or less a severe
> > problem or is there some kind of belt that let go and needs to be
> > replaced?
> > 
> > Roland
> > 
> > Roland
> > 
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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Sun Aug 29 20:25:05 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:25:05 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Maintenance: the next level
Message-ID: <082920041825.25491.41321F8100045FF2000063932200761438010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

Do you have suggestions on what Caig products can go where?   I know they have a rubber product that can be use for the pinch rollers (or belts).  Anyone have experience with that?  What about just compressed air or dust brush for the electronic?
Paul

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> Hi all, 
> Lots of talk here lately about head-cleaning and de-magging, but what 
> about the next level of Nak care? That is, I'm wondering what are the 
> good "tune-up" procedures to perform when you have the hood up (case 
> open). Should I condition the belts and squirt appropriate Caig 
> products at the pots and motors every year or so? What's the best 
> preventative procedures to keep my precious running year after year? 
> looking forward to your always expert responses. 
> gratefully, 
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From routhun at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 30 04:52:19 2004
From: routhun at hotmail.com (Nageswara Rao)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:52:19 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 670zx recording problem
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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 22:02:11 2004
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:02:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A head won't go down
In-Reply-To: <20040828225818.RSYM1237.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20040830200211.22786.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com>

OUCH.  I didn't realize the tape got wrapped around the capstan.  I
had that happen once.  I don't remember if it was a Nak deck or not. 
The capstan with the tape got to about 4x it's normal size and I
couldn't get the tape out.  I had to cut the tape off with an xacto
knife being careful not to nic the capstan shaft.  I'm lucky that it
wasn't an TDK XG tape (ouch, that hurts), as they are my favorite.

Cleaning products don't do any good if they sit in a drawer.  In
addition to the sticky residue you need to watch out for moisture. 
This became very apparent when I was playing around with a VCR.  It
was playing a tape while I was nose-ing around.  I noticed that when
I exhaled the deck made a slightly different noise.  That's
interesting!  So I starting exhaling in different areas and it had
the most effect around the spinning drum (which rotates at 3600 rpm,
I think).  One time I did it a little too long and the tape got stuck
to the drum, pulled it around the drum several times until it grabbed
a hold of the drum so tight that the spinning drum stopped dead.  All
this happened in the blink of an eye (I mean really Really quick). 
Now I know why VCRs have Dew sensors!

Scott J.



--- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:

> Scott, no less than 20 minutes ago, I was able to free it up.  I
> could see that all too familiar site of tape losely floating about
> in the shell.  Much less, my $12 TDK XG tape that caused the
> problem.  The tape had found its way to one of the rubber rollers
> and wrapped itself around the mechanism.  After bravely taking it
> apart with the service manual in hand, I was able to free the
> offending tape.
> 
> An my wife wondered why I had ordered some head cleaning solution
> to keep all the parts free of contamination.  Of course, it would
> have helped if I actually USED the solution!!
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> Roland
> 
> > 
> > From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> > Date: 2004/08/28 Sat PM 06:38:47 EDT
> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A head won't go down
> > 
> > Sounds like the motor for changing modes is stuck.  Open the deck
> and
> > try giving it a little nudge.  Look for the motor driving a worm
> gear
> > and rotate the motor's shaft a little.  The motor might have
> > developed a dead spot.  I mention this problem briefly on my Nak
> web
> > page.  http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html
> > If it is a dead spot on the motor your options are to replace it
> or
> > clean it.  You can clean it by spraying the thing full of contact
> > cleaner and while changing modes.  The contact cleaner will be
> black
> > as it comes out of the motor so you will want to be ready with
> plenty
> > of paper towels.  It makes a mess.
> > 
> > You'll probably want to send it to Mr. Sank and have it replaced
> and
> > calibrated (head alignment, bias, level, etc.) while it's there. 
> If
> > you send it to ESS they will want to do a complete overhaul and
> > charge you more than the deck is worth, but, it will be as good
> as
> > new.
> > 
> > SJ
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> > --- rjlbjk at cox.net wrote:
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> > > Okay, it's not a stuck tape.  The head assembly is in the up
> > > position and it won't go down.  Is this more or less a severe
> > > problem or is there some kind of belt that let go and needs to
> be
> > > replaced?
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Mon Aug 30 22:31:22 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:31:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A head won't go down
Message-ID: <20040830203121.BGSJ6461.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Yup, I now know how to dismantle the deck!!  The head cleaning fluid I used today was from S+R Audio.  Smells like good ole alcohol to me but it did clean very well and did not leave a residue.  I think I'll get some of that stuff from American Recorder.

What was scarrier was that after I put things back together, it worked, didn't work, worked, didn't work.  As it turned out, I put the front plate that holds the two side plastic guides together in backwards.  There are two small dimples on each side that press on this metal foot that puts tension on the cassette shell to make sure it's fully seating.  Unless the shell is seated, the head assembly doesn't go up all the way.  Oh well, it was my first time taking it apart.


> 
> From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/08/30 Mon PM 04:02:11 EDT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A head won't go down
> 
> OUCH.  I didn't realize the tape got wrapped around the capstan.  I
> had that happen once.  I don't remember if it was a Nak deck or not. 
> The capstan with the tape got to about 4x it's normal size and I
> couldn't get the tape out.  I had to cut the tape off with an xacto
> knife being careful not to nic the capstan shaft.  I'm lucky that it
> wasn't an TDK XG tape (ouch, that hurts), as they are my favorite.
> 
> Cleaning products don't do any good if they sit in a drawer.  In
> addition to the sticky residue you need to watch out for moisture. 
> This became very apparent when I was playing around with a VCR.  It
> was playing a tape while I was nose-ing around.  I noticed that when
> I exhaled the deck made a slightly different noise.  That's
> interesting!  So I starting exhaling in different areas and it had
> the most effect around the spinning drum (which rotates at 3600 rpm,
> I think).  One time I did it a little too long and the tape got stuck
> to the drum, pulled it around the drum several times until it grabbed
> a hold of the drum so tight that the spinning drum stopped dead.  All
> this happened in the blink of an eye (I mean really Really quick). 
> Now I know why VCRs have Dew sensors!
> 
> Scott J.
> 


Roland



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Aug 31 01:12:57 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:12:57 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol
In-Reply-To: <001a01c48b21$0e8a41e0$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <000001c48ee6$e349bfa0$f1c94c51@oemcomputer>

Of co87rse, the best way to clean the heads of the deck are to wet your
tongue with alcohol and lick them clean.  Be sure to use plenty of alcohol.
It is, of course, quite permissble, permusiable, parmisable ... quite okay
to swallow any excess alcohol that's in your mouth.  Smirnoff export is
god... good.  Try it ... I just did.

Gra'

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From fff-music at millic.com.ar  Tue Aug 31 01:16:20 2004
From: fff-music at millic.com.ar (fff-music at millic.com.ar)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:16:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] recording head for Naka 700 II cassette deck
Message-ID: <147530-220048130231620323@M2W029.mail2web.com>

Hi,

does anybody know where can I buya  recording head for a Nakamichi 700 II
casette 
deck. Mine is still running great but has the recording head broken,
Any help is welcomed.
Best regards
fabio

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 31 03:34:42 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:34:42 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol
Message-ID: <BAY2-F8oW5xtAeSGXJD0000b387@hotmail.com>

I keep my 505 and myself in good shape with vitamins.......Vitamin V.O.!


>From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alcohol
>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:12:57 +0100
>
>Of co87rse, the best way to clean the heads of the deck are to wet your
>tongue with alcohol and lick them clean.  Be sure to use plenty of alcohol.
>It is, of course, quite permissble, permusiable, parmisable ... quite okay
>to swallow any excess alcohol that's in your mouth.  Smirnoff export is
>god... good.  Try it ... I just did.
>
>Gra'
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Aug 31 13:21:38 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:21:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol
References: <000001c48ee6$e349bfa0$f1c94c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004e01c48f4c$af8a7630$b0b70642@john1patlmckrl>

Hey! my kind of guy, now I see the Russian connection ;-)

John T.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
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  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 7:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alcohol


  Of co87rse, the best way to clean the heads of the deck are to wet your tongue with alcohol and lick them clean.  Be sure to use plenty of alcohol.  It is, of course, quite permissble, permusiable, parmisable ... quite okay to swallow any excess alcohol that's in your mouth.  Smirnoff export is god... good.  Try it ... I just did.

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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 31 14:35:36 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:35:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F8oW5xtAeSGXJD0000b387@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F8oW5xtAeSGXJD0000b387@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <41347098.1090902@bellsouth.net>

Minerals are important too. I  take my Calcium (Na), Potassium (K), and 
Chromium (Cr)
aurally via my Nak CR-7A on a daily basis.
Mike

neil lipes wrote:

> I keep my 505 and myself in good shape with vitamins.......Vitamin V.O.!
>
>
>> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alcohol
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:12:57 +0100
>>
>> Of co87rse, the best way to clean the heads of the deck are to wet your
>> tongue with alcohol and lick them clean.  Be sure to use plenty of 
>> alcohol.
>> It is, of course, quite permissble, permusiable, parmisable ... quite 
>> okay
>> to swallow any excess alcohol that's in your mouth.  Smirnoff export is
>> god... good.  Try it ... I just did.
>>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Aug 31 19:42:32 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:42:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol
In-Reply-To: <41347098.1090902@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <001301c48f81$e4b46fc0$dead4e51@oemcomputer>

Good man!  I was wondering about the mnerals, minerals ... I couldn't find
any in the Vodka I was using to cheam, clean the Nak heads with.  I kept
looking right down to the bottom of the bottle but nothing!  I'm not
thinking of using the vodka to clean the surfaces of the Nak as well ...

Gra'

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> Behalf Of Michael Moore
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> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alcohol
>
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> Minerals are important too. I  take my Calcium (Na), Potassium (K), and
> Chromium (Cr)
> aurally via my Nak CR-7A on a daily basis.
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 31 14:37:55 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:37:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F8oW5xtAeSGXJD0000b387@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F8oW5xtAeSGXJD0000b387@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <41347123.7010207@bellsouth.net>

Actually, Na is sodium, but I'm on a low salt diet, so its Calcium for me.
Mike


neil lipes wrote:

> I keep my 505 and myself in good shape with vitamins.......Vitamin V.O.!
>
>
>> From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alcohol
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:12:57 +0100
>>
>> Of co87rse, the best way to clean the heads of the deck are to wet your
>> tongue with alcohol and lick them clean.  Be sure to use plenty of 
>> alcohol.
>> It is, of course, quite permissble, permusiable, parmisable ... quite 
>> okay
>> to swallow any excess alcohol that's in your mouth.  Smirnoff export is
>> god... good.  Try it ... I just did.
>>
>> Gra'
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From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz  Tue Aug 31 22:19:11 2004
From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:19:11 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] recording head for Naka 700 II cassette deck
References: <147530-220048130231620323@M2W029.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c48f97$c790dd50$090098de@tec>

Hello Fabio

On the advice of another subscriber, I got my 600 head from: 
infor at classic-nakamichi.com

This is Bowers and Wilkins in England.

I found their service excellent and prompt at the antipodes (New Zealand).

I suggest you call them. As you can see I have CC'd this email to them.

Regards

Donald

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> Hi,
>
> does anybody know where can I buya  recording head for a Nakamichi 700 II
> casette
> deck. Mine is still running great but has the recording head broken,
> Any help is welcomed.
> Best regards
> fabio
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Wed Sep  1 01:48:45 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:48:45 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] recording head for Naka 700 II cassette deck
In-Reply-To: <147530-220048130231620323@M2W029.mail2web.com>
References: <147530-220048130231620323@M2W029.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <p06010201bd5abeb75652@[192.168.0.7]>

You could try a UK source:

info at classic-nakamichi.com

David

>Hi,
>
>does anybody know where can I buya  recording head for a Nakamichi 700 II
>casette
>deck. Mine is still running great but has the recording head broken,
>Any help is welcomed.
>Best regards
>fabio
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Sep  1 05:57:34 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:57:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
Message-ID: <20040901035734.HNIH4710.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Brief story.  Tape wrapped around the capstan and one of those little rubber wheels that lift the head mechanism to the tape.  I put everything back together and now I have another problem.  Fast forward and reverse work just fine and sometimes it plays and records just fine.

Here's the problem.  The two wheels that has the rubber belt does not always turn and when it doesn't, the play mode and record modes don't work.  All I need to do is basically tap the wheel and away it goes and will continue to run just fine.  I don't really feel any restrictions either.

FWIW, I did electrical engineering for 27 years but I cannot read those dang schematics because my eyesight is not that good and those prints are micro size.  I'm used to D-size prints, not A-size that's been shrunk.

Does this problem sound familiar to anyone? Is this the gear mod that most people have done or is that strictly the forward and reverse problem?

Anyway, I had filled out the form for Liberman Sound for a basic tuneup and calibration.  I haven't heard back yet.

Roland



From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Sep  1 10:39:58 2004
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:39:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] Naks in "Diva"
In-Reply-To: <000a01c48fd9$29aaef80$2f01a8c0@CaptainVAIO>
References: <000a01c48fd9$29aaef80$2f01a8c0@CaptainVAIO>
Message-ID: <19164.212.178.7.57.1094027998.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

Hi All,
I got an interesting email from Tom Bergman (ex Naktalk member) that i
thought you all might like too!
Wouter

> Wouter,  Have you ever seen the 1981 French movie "Diva" ?   It's loaded
> with Nakamichi (and Revox) equipment.  It might as well be a Nak (and
> Revox) advertisement...  The main character's system contains a Nak 580
> series deck as well as a Revox reel-to reel deck, a Revox integrated amp,
> and one of those deluxe and unusual Revox linear tracking turntables.  He
> also owns one of those cool portable Nagra reel-to-reel decks.  Another
> guy also owns a Nak 580 series deck as well as a different Revox reel-to
> reel deck and what looks to be the same Revox linear tracking turntable as
> the other guy.  He also has a BLACK Nak 630  preamp/tuner and a SILVER Nak
> 610 preamp.  I couldn't see the amp.  Later on you see a real closeup shot
> of a woman's SILVER Nak 480.  One of the major elements of the story is a
> cassette tape, which just happens to be a Nak EX C-60.  I haven't finished
> watching the movie yet, so there many even be MORE Nak stuff to be seen in
> this flick.  I just thought you'd find this info interesting.  Tom



From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Wed Sep  1 12:08:52 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 06:08:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Naks in "Diva"
In-Reply-To: <19164.212.178.7.57.1094027998.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
References: <000a01c48fd9$29aaef80$2f01a8c0@CaptainVAIO>
	<19164.212.178.7.57.1094027998.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040901052120.020e2648@pop.iquebec.com>

Hi Wouter,

Diva is one of my all-time favorite movies. I have seen it many times over 
the years since it was first released in local theaters in the early 80s. 
Great plot, interesting characters, some breathtaking images and, as a 
bonus, it is an audio buff delight because of all the sightings. I remember 
that when I first noticed the Nagra recorder on the guy's lap in the first 
few minutes of the movie, I then told myself "the director must have 
figured that the average movie viewer would not notice this guy is using a 
very professional tape recorder; I guess this is what they had on-hand in 
the movie studio and they figured what the heck, let's use this thing which 
lies in the corner, nobody will be able to tell". Truth is the Nagra was 
most appropriate for the application at this very moment as the movie later 
reveals.

Unfortunately, soundtrack of the movie is old and this shows. It is mono 
only, complete with noise and occasional dropouts on the North American DVD 
version I have owned for several years already (French language with 
English subtitles). Nevertheless, I really enjoy re-watching it from time 
to time. By the way, this movie was done on a shoestring budget. It 
certainly shows off the talent of the then new director Jean-Jacques Beineix.

This is an interesting review:

http://www.naturalbornviewers.com/archive/d/diva/review.htm




At 04:39 09/01/2004, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>I got an interesting email from Tom Bergman (ex Naktalk member) that i
>thought you all might like too!
>Wouter
>
> > Wouter,  Have you ever seen the 1981 French movie "Diva" ?   It's loaded
> > with Nakamichi (and Revox) equipment.  It might as well be a Nak (and
> > Revox) advertisement...  The main character's system contains a Nak 580
> > series deck as well as a Revox reel-to reel deck, a Revox integrated amp,
> > and one of those deluxe and unusual Revox linear tracking turntables.  He
> > also owns one of those cool portable Nagra reel-to-reel decks.  Another
> > guy also owns a Nak 580 series deck as well as a different Revox reel-to
> > reel deck and what looks to be the same Revox linear tracking turntable as
> > the other guy.  He also has a BLACK Nak 630  preamp/tuner and a SILVER Nak
> > 610 preamp.  I couldn't see the amp.  Later on you see a real closeup shot
> > of a woman's SILVER Nak 480.  One of the major elements of the story is a
> > cassette tape, which just happens to be a Nak EX C-60.  I haven't finished
> > watching the movie yet, so there many even be MORE Nak stuff to be seen in
> > this flick.  I just thought you'd find this info interesting.  Tom
>
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From t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr  Wed Sep  1 16:01:35 2004
From: t.gunay at inspectorate.com.tr (Tayfur Gunay)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:01:35 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] dual dubbing decks
References: <21951-4135D086-132@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <018401c4902c$3a90deb0$1210a8c0@tg>

I agree Pioneer made the pinnacle of the dual cass. decks, esp. some recent
models, with DA converter (digital input). Amazingly any tape you play is
free from "hiss" thanks to that DA/AD convertor. Playing any tape is just
exactly like the CD. This shud be the top of analog cass. history....Some
might say this cause harsh to the warmth of analog signal but I dont think
so much, and it is something really excitable.
Tayfur


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <audiotalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:37 PM
Subject: [audiotalk] dual dubbing decks


> why never no nak dual dubber? I guess the absolute ultimate dub set
> would be two dragons with the auto reverse activated on both,althoughi
> will be looking for a 505 to try it with my 303.Mark H. of this list has
> a very excellent pioneer dual cassette deck,and i guess pioneer made the
> pinnacle of the  dual decks,one which even had sound on sound as well as
> all the synchronous record features
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Sep  1 18:09:30 2004
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:09:30 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] only on ebay ...
Message-ID: <001e01c4904a$880316e0$ec299bca@aisha>


cut and paste :

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=53240&item=3836404
008&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V

sorry o-t, and this is not suited for audiotalk either.

cheers,
sm




From britri at comcast.net  Wed Sep  1 20:28:06 2004
From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Stocker)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:28:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Naks in "Diva"
References: <000a01c48fd9$29aaef80$2f01a8c0@CaptainVAIO>	<19164.212.178.7.57.1094027998.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040901052120.020e2648@pop.iquebec.com>
Message-ID: <413614B6.2070405@comcast.net>

Those r-r nagras have always looked impressive and it would be nice to 
own 1 just like having more than 1 good swiss watch in the arsenal of 
audio gear.

Did Nagra ever do anything with cassettes?  Imagine how beautifully it 
would have been made and functioned!

Check out the hi end audio site!

http://www.nagraaudio.com/highend/index.php

Brian

Marc Denis wrote:
> Hi Wouter,
> 
> Diva is one of my all-time favorite movies. I have seen it many times 
> over the years since it was first released in local theaters in the 
> early 80s. Great plot, interesting characters, some breathtaking images 
> and, as a bonus, it is an audio buff delight because of all the 
> sightings. I remember that when I first noticed the Nagra recorder on 
> the guy's lap in the first few minutes of the movie, I then told myself 
> "the director must have figured that the average movie viewer would not 
> notice this guy is using a very professional tape recorder; I guess this 
> is what they had on-hand in the movie studio and they figured what the 
> heck, let's use this thing which lies in the corner, nobody will be able 
> to tell". Truth is the Nagra was most appropriate for the application at 
> this very moment as the movie later reveals.
> 
> Unfortunately, soundtrack of the movie is old and this shows. It is mono 
> only, complete with noise and occasional dropouts on the North American 
> DVD version I have owned for several years already (French language with 
> English subtitles). Nevertheless, I really enjoy re-watching it from 
> time to time. By the way, this movie was done on a shoestring budget. It 
> certainly shows off the talent of the then new director Jean-Jacques 
> Beineix.
> 
> This is an interesting review:
> 
> http://www.naturalbornviewers.com/archive/d/diva/review.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:39 09/01/2004, you wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I got an interesting email from Tom Bergman (ex Naktalk member) that i
>> thought you all might like too!
>> Wouter
>>
>> > Wouter,  Have you ever seen the 1981 French movie "Diva" ?   It's loaded
>> > with Nakamichi (and Revox) equipment.  It might as well be a Nak (and
>> > Revox) advertisement...  The main character's system contains a Nak 580
>> > series deck as well as a Revox reel-to reel deck, a Revox integrated 
>> amp,
>> > and one of those deluxe and unusual Revox linear tracking 
>> turntables.  He
>> > also owns one of those cool portable Nagra reel-to-reel decks.  Another
>> > guy also owns a Nak 580 series deck as well as a different Revox reel-to
>> > reel deck and what looks to be the same Revox linear tracking 
>> turntable as
>> > the other guy.  He also has a BLACK Nak 630  preamp/tuner and a 
>> SILVER Nak
>> > 610 preamp.  I couldn't see the amp.  Later on you see a real 
>> closeup shot
>> > of a woman's SILVER Nak 480.  One of the major elements of the story 
>> is a
>> > cassette tape, which just happens to be a Nak EX C-60.  I haven't 
>> finished
>> > watching the movie yet, so there many even be MORE Nak stuff to be 
>> seen in
>> > this flick.  I just thought you'd find this info interesting.  Tom
>>
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Wed Sep  1 20:33:15 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:33:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
Message-ID: <200409011433_MC3-1-8961-9438@compuserve.com>

Hi Roland,

I would also like to tell my recent cr-7a story. I have different symptoms,
but it resulted in tape wrapping as well.
In your case the problem maybe still mechanism related. Either the belt
needs to be replaced or the capstan etc has to be cleaned. If fast fwd/rwd
works fine, it is probably not an idler issue.

This weekend I bought 11 pre-recorded tapes from a guy who sells stuff on
the street. These are mostly early to mid 80's maxell XL-II's and UD's one
TDK SA90 and and a memorex MRX3 oxide (remember them?). Initially I
intended to erase and use them, but later I decided to keep them as is. The
contents are not bad: Yes, Genesis, Elvis Costello, some jazz tapes. The
recordings are obviously made on non-nakamichi decks. I believe the guys
own deck is a compact stereo and the recording levels hardly reach 0dB. My
favourite is the one labeled "aerobic tape" and contains recordings from 10
different decks: Recording levels range from -3 dB peak from one song to
+10 dB (with HUGE distortion) on another, not to mention the azimuth
adjustment are different as well. 

Anyways, while having too much fun with those tapes, my cr-7a could not
take it anymore and decided to quit: None of the controls worked, the tape
got stuck. All motors were functional except the control motor.  I have the
schematic (from techman) and started to check the voltages at the control
motor circuit. All of a sudden everything started to work as nothing has
happened! So I closed the cover and the tape was saved. 

The next day, while listening to a Maxell UD 60 with Spyro Gyra recording I
hit stop and suddenly the LED's on most of the control buttons went on
simultaneously. I believe these were fwd/rwd/play and pause, as if the
controller screwed up and went into a test mode or something. Hitting any
of the controls briefly engaged it, but then returned to the same weird
state. Again I started to poke the control circuit and after some time it
returned to normal. But this time the tape was wrapped on the take-up
capstan and crushed (I am glad it did not happen to the aerobic tape!). Now
it is as good as before, but probably some component on the control
circuitry is about to die. Maybe the control motor & related mechanism
needs cleaning??

Hope I did not bore you guys with this long story, if anybody has
suggestions, please let me know.

Another note: I have replaced the rubber idler wheel with the gear couple
months ago, so this is definitely not an idler problem (of course, if I did
not screw up anything).

Thanks,
_Fuad


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Brief story.  Tape wrapped around the capstan and one of those little
rubber wheels that lift the head mechanism to the tape.  I put everything
back together and now I have another problem.  Fast forward and reverse
work just fine and sometimes it plays and records just fine.

Here's the problem.  The two wheels that has the rubber belt does not
always turn and when it doesn't, the play mode and record modes don't work.
 All I need to do is basically tap the wheel and away it goes and will
continue to run just fine.  I don't really feel any restrictions either.

FWIW, I did electrical engineering for 27 years but I cannot read those
dang schematics because my eyesight is not that good and those prints are
micro size.  I'm used to D-size prints, not A-size that's been shrunk.

Does this problem sound familiar to anyone? Is this the gear mod that most
people have done or is that strictly the forward and reverse problem?

Anyway, I had filled out the form for Liberman Sound for a basic tuneup and
calibration.  I haven't heard back yet.

Roland

<




From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Sep  1 22:55:14 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:55:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
Message-ID: <20040901205512.RJFA16005.lakermmtao10.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

I'm beginning to wonder if it's just a contamination issue with one of your switches.  When the tape wrapped around the capstan and roller lift, the FWD, REV, PLAY and one other button light was lit and oh yea, the bar display was dead.  All was well except for my little problem.  If I hit the STOP button, the other button lights would extinguish but after a few seconds, they'd be back.

After clearing the tape, I had the problem I just described below.

I couldn't help but think but remember that there were a lot of exposed switches in the back, so I removed the cover and started to blow around with my mouth.  Sure, clean compressed air would have been better, but my hot air was all I had!!

Well, I haven't had the problem since and when I power up, the little wheel with it's associated wheel spin just fine without me having to tap it.

Maybe your problem is the same as the tapes you bought might be in question if he used them in a boombox.  We all know how frequently those get cleaned!!

HTH

> 
> From: compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
> Date: 2004/09/01 Wed PM 02:33:15 EDT
> To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
> 
> Hi Roland,
> 
> I would also like to tell my recent cr-7a story. I have different symptoms,
> but it resulted in tape wrapping as well.
> In your case the problem maybe still mechanism related. Either the belt
> needs to be replaced or the capstan etc has to be cleaned. If fast fwd/rwd
> works fine, it is probably not an idler issue.
> 
> This weekend I bought 11 pre-recorded tapes from a guy who sells stuff on
> the street. These are mostly early to mid 80's maxell XL-II's and UD's one
> TDK SA90 and and a memorex MRX3 oxide (remember them?). Initially I
> intended to erase and use them, but later I decided to keep them as is. The
> contents are not bad: Yes, Genesis, Elvis Costello, some jazz tapes. The
> recordings are obviously made on non-nakamichi decks. I believe the guys
> own deck is a compact stereo and the recording levels hardly reach 0dB. My
> favourite is the one labeled "aerobic tape" and contains recordings from 10
> different decks: Recording levels range from -3 dB peak from one song to
> +10 dB (with HUGE distortion) on another, not to mention the azimuth
> adjustment are different as well. 
> 
> Anyways, while having too much fun with those tapes, my cr-7a could not
> take it anymore and decided to quit: None of the controls worked, the tape
> got stuck. All motors were functional except the control motor.  I have the
> schematic (from techman) and started to check the voltages at the control
> motor circuit. All of a sudden everything started to work as nothing has
> happened! So I closed the cover and the tape was saved. 
> 
> The next day, while listening to a Maxell UD 60 with Spyro Gyra recording I
> hit stop and suddenly the LED's on most of the control buttons went on
> simultaneously. I believe these were fwd/rwd/play and pause, as if the
> controller screwed up and went into a test mode or something. Hitting any
> of the controls briefly engaged it, but then returned to the same weird
> state. Again I started to poke the control circuit and after some time it
> returned to normal. But this time the tape was wrapped on the take-up
> capstan and crushed (I am glad it did not happen to the aerobic tape!). Now
> it is as good as before, but probably some component on the control
> circuitry is about to die. Maybe the control motor & related mechanism
> needs cleaning??
> 
> Hope I did not bore you guys with this long story, if anybody has
> suggestions, please let me know.
> 
> Another note: I have replaced the rubber idler wheel with the gear couple
> months ago, so this is definitely not an idler problem (of course, if I did
> not screw up anything).
> 
> Thanks,
> _Fuad
> 
> 
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> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:57:34 -0400
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> 
> 
> Brief story.  Tape wrapped around the capstan and one of those little
> rubber wheels that lift the head mechanism to the tape.  I put everything
> back together and now I have another problem.  Fast forward and reverse
> work just fine and sometimes it plays and records just fine.
> 
> Here's the problem.  The two wheels that has the rubber belt does not
> always turn and when it doesn't, the play mode and record modes don't work.
>  All I need to do is basically tap the wheel and away it goes and will
> continue to run just fine.  I don't really feel any restrictions either.
> 
> FWIW, I did electrical engineering for 27 years but I cannot read those
> dang schematics because my eyesight is not that good and those prints are
> micro size.  I'm used to D-size prints, not A-size that's been shrunk.
> 
> Does this problem sound familiar to anyone? Is this the gear mod that most
> people have done or is that strictly the forward and reverse problem?
> 
> Anyway, I had filled out the form for Liberman Sound for a basic tuneup and
> calibration.  I haven't heard back yet.
> 
> Roland
> 
> <
> 
> 
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Sep  2 09:34:45 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:34:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
Message-ID: <21947-4136CD15-1971@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>

Dear Faud,I'm no expert,but sometimes i play one on the Naktalk,and i
suggest you dont put most pre-recorded tapes into your  hi-dollar nak
equipment without a thorough visual and tactile examination of the tape
and a couple of quick playthroughs on a less valuable/expendable deck or
even boombox,as i have found a large percentage of these tapes to be
junk that may hurt your precious machine.As long as these tapes were
only fair recordings to begin with,why not buy an old nak tri-tracer or
maybe an other excellent non-naK deck or even dual dubbing decks and
make yourself a copy of those fun to listen to tapes on some solid
quality new tapes.  Regarding the memorex mr3 Oxide ,they are type 1's,
and i have a bunch of those-they seem to be solid built and to sound
very good-like the old ad said.."is it real or is it memorex?(with Ella
Fitzgerald..remember?).
 

thank you very much,
gerald



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  2 10:59:39 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:59:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
References: <21947-4136CD15-1971@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV8AX3cf3edn00018a7f@hotmail.com>

Bravo Gerald!!!! I 100% completely agree!!! Buy a "Junk" deck and try there 
first, before use our lovely Nak units!!!

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:34 AM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update


> Dear Faud,I'm no expert,but sometimes i play one on the Naktalk,and i
> suggest you dont put most pre-recorded tapes into your  hi-dollar nak
> equipment without a thorough visual and tactile examination of the tape
> and a couple of quick playthroughs on a less valuable/expendable deck or
> even boombox,as i have found a large percentage of these tapes to be
> junk that may hurt your precious machine.As long as these tapes were
> only fair recordings to begin with,why not buy an old nak tri-tracer or
> maybe an other excellent non-naK deck or even dual dubbing decks and
> make yourself a copy of those fun to listen to tapes on some solid
> quality new tapes.  Regarding the memorex mr3 Oxide ,they are type 1's,
> and i have a bunch of those-they seem to be solid built and to sound
> very good-like the old ad said.."is it real or is it memorex?(with Ella
> Fitzgerald..remember?).
>
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From jerryjg at webtv.net  Thu Sep  2 16:57:37 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:57:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
Message-ID: <20743-413734E1-1192@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

yes alex,i read in horror as i imagined the freat cr-7a munching that
crummy tape!     here is my protocol for any used pre-recorded tape that
i feed my rx-303;     a visual exam- the tape shell  must look
perfect,the  tape is then unwound by hand from the leader a fair ways
and tape condition checked.the tape must have no  chewed edges or
waves,it must be dark and appear perfect,and the pressure pad must
either be intact or replaced (easy to do with tweezers,super glue and a
spare pad) and the tape should roll smoothly.Next if tape passes these
first two steps is to  load it into my SONY cfd-g55  Boombox and  Fast
forward the first side ,then turn it over and fast forward the second
side,stopping midway through the second side to check the Tape condition
again.This is followed up by an initial listen of the tape on the nice
sounding SONY boombox for  glitches,and only then its ready for my Nak
700 .Only after a Dub on some hi-quality new tape does my 303 ever get
it(in theory).If the tape is mid-way when you get it,it usually has a
stretch ,but as long as it is just in that one place it wont be a
problem,just check the tape lenght preceeding  and after the stretch,and
rewind and start from the 1st step.Sure hope this helps(also,be sure to
clean heads at least after every few runs with the used tapes).

thank you very much,
gerald



From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  2 20:31:49 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:31:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
References: <20743-413734E1-1192@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV187ZSASS6d000395ba@hotmail.com>

Gerald!  100% I must admit...you are a very cute man!...Bravo!!! That is 
simple as that..the cute way to check such "Pre-Recorded" tapes, which 
"Mostly"...are very cheap ones and NOT our "Tops" brands! However...some 
times...something wrong happen, and on such Highly deck as a Nak unit; goes 
wrong and make to us a "Heart attack"!!!

Cheers,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 4:57 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update


> yes alex,i read in horror as i imagined the freat cr-7a munching that
> crummy tape!     here is my protocol for any used pre-recorded tape that
> i feed my rx-303;     a visual exam- the tape shell  must look
> perfect,the  tape is then unwound by hand from the leader a fair ways
> and tape condition checked.the tape must have no  chewed edges or
> waves,it must be dark and appear perfect,and the pressure pad must
> either be intact or replaced (easy to do with tweezers,super glue and a
> spare pad) and the tape should roll smoothly.Next if tape passes these
> first two steps is to  load it into my SONY cfd-g55  Boombox and  Fast
> forward the first side ,then turn it over and fast forward the second
> side,stopping midway through the second side to check the Tape condition
> again.This is followed up by an initial listen of the tape on the nice
> sounding SONY boombox for  glitches,and only then its ready for my Nak
> 700 .Only after a Dub on some hi-quality new tape does my 303 ever get
> it(in theory).If the tape is mid-way when you get it,it usually has a
> stretch ,but as long as it is just in that one place it wont be a
> problem,just check the tape lenght preceeding  and after the stretch,and
> rewind and start from the 1st step.Sure hope this helps(also,be sure to
> clean heads at least after every few runs with the used tapes).
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Thu Sep  2 20:25:08 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:25:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] more CR-7A tape wrapping update
Message-ID: <200409021425_MC3-1-8964-B7DC@compuserve.com>

Hi Gerald,

Yes, you are definitely right. One should on not try strange tapes in a
valuable deck first. But the tapes look really good inside. The covers are
all scratchy, but that is normal after 20 years..
I don't want to brag, but the cr-7a is my "least valuable" Nak deck after
700zxe and the Dragon. And I have 2 cr-7a's (one is not in a very good
shape as I described in my reply to Roland). 

Another reason I used cr-7a is the azimuth control, which is a must-have
feature when listening to foreign tapes. The guys own deck, which I suspect
to be a mini sytem (or a lousy 2 head deck if not a boombox) has the
azimuth control just a notch clockwise off the center position. On the
other hand, there is a Genesis recording that is pretty good with peaks
reaching +7dB levels, but the azimuth control is way off to
counter-clockwise direction.

Anyways, hopefully I will find a permanent fix for my cr-7a so I can enjoy
all those tapes without destroying them..

Thanks,
_Fuad

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Dear Faud,I'm no expert,but sometimes i play one on the Naktalk,and i
suggest you dont put most pre-recorded tapes into your  hi-dollar nak
equipment without a thorough visual and tactile examination of the tape
and a couple of quick playthroughs on a less valuable/expendable deck or
even boombox,as i have found a large percentage of these tapes to be
junk that may hurt your precious machine.As long as these tapes were
only fair recordings to begin with,why not buy an old nak tri-tracer or
maybe an other excellent non-naK deck or even dual dubbing decks and
make yourself a copy of those fun to listen to tapes on some solid
quality new tapes.  Regarding the memorex mr3 Oxide ,they are type 1's,
and i have a bunch of those-they seem to be solid built and to sound
very good-like the old ad said.."is it real or is it memorex?(with Ella
Fitzgerald..remember?).
 

thank you very much,
gerald

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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Thu Sep  2 20:25:09 2004
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:25:09 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
Message-ID: <200409021425_MC3-1-8964-B7DD@compuserve.com>

Roland,

It sounds like we are having the same problem, but in my case the bar
display and all other switches (dolby control etc) were all functional when
four button lights were on at the same time. As you said, it is very likely
that the control switches themselves maybe dirty. 

I have another cr-7a which is one of the early models that is functional
but cosmetically in a bad shape. It is also very rusty inside as if the
previous owner used it in his bathroom! I can probably exchange parts from
one to the other see if the problem goes away.

Thanks,
_Fuad

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I'm beginning to wonder if it's just a contamination issue with one of your
switches.  When the tape wrapped around the capstan and roller lift, the
FWD, REV, PLAY and one other button light was lit and oh yea, the bar
display was dead.  All was well except for my little problem.  If I hit the
STOP button, the other button lights would extinguish but after a few
seconds, they'd be back.

After clearing the tape, I had the problem I just described below.

I couldn't help but think but remember that there were a lot of exposed
switches in the back, so I removed the cover and started to blow around
with my mouth.  Sure, clean compressed air would have been better, but my
hot air was all I had!!

Well, I haven't had the problem since and when I power up, the little wheel
with it's associated wheel spin just fine without me having to tap it.

Maybe your problem is the same as the tapes you bought might be in question
if he used them in a boombox.  We all know how frequently those get
cleaned!!

HTH

> 
> From: compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
> Date: 2004/09/01 Wed PM 02:33:15 EDT
> To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
> 
> Hi Roland,
> 
> I would also like to tell my recent cr-7a story. I have different
symptoms,
> but it resulted in tape wrapping as well.
> In your case the problem maybe still mechanism related. Either the belt
> needs to be replaced or the capstan etc has to be cleaned. If fast
fwd/rwd
> works fine, it is probably not an idler issue.
> 
> This weekend I bought 11 pre-recorded tapes from a guy who sells stuff on
> the street. These are mostly early to mid 80's maxell XL-II's and UD's
one
> TDK SA90 and and a memorex MRX3 oxide (remember them?). Initially I
> intended to erase and use them, but later I decided to keep them as is.
The
> contents are not bad: Yes, Genesis, Elvis Costello, some jazz tapes. The
> recordings are obviously made on non-nakamichi decks. I believe the guys
> own deck is a compact stereo and the recording levels hardly reach 0dB.
My
> favourite is the one labeled "aerobic tape" and contains recordings from
10
> different decks: Recording levels range from -3 dB peak from one song to
> +10 dB (with HUGE distortion) on another, not to mention the azimuth
> adjustment are different as well. 
> 
> Anyways, while having too much fun with those tapes, my cr-7a could not
> take it anymore and decided to quit: None of the controls worked, the
tape
> got stuck. All motors were functional except the control motor.  I have
the
> schematic (from techman) and started to check the voltages at the control
> motor circuit. All of a sudden everything started to work as nothing has
> happened! So I closed the cover and the tape was saved. 
> 
> The next day, while listening to a Maxell UD 60 with Spyro Gyra recording
I
> hit stop and suddenly the LED's on most of the control buttons went on
> simultaneously. I believe these were fwd/rwd/play and pause, as if the
> controller screwed up and went into a test mode or something. Hitting any
> of the controls briefly engaged it, but then returned to the same weird
> state. Again I started to poke the control circuit and after some time it
> returned to normal. But this time the tape was wrapped on the take-up
> capstan and crushed (I am glad it did not happen to the aerobic tape!).
Now
> it is as good as before, but probably some component on the control
> circuitry is about to die. Maybe the control motor & related mechanism
> needs cleaning??
> 
> Hope I did not bore you guys with this long story, if anybody has
> suggestions, please let me know.
> 
> Another note: I have replaced the rubber idler wheel with the gear couple
> months ago, so this is definitely not an idler problem (of course, if I
did
> not screw up anything).
> 
> Thanks,
> _Fuad
> 
> 
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> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:57:34 -0400
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> 
> 
> Brief story.  Tape wrapped around the capstan and one of those little
> rubber wheels that lift the head mechanism to the tape.  I put everything
> back together and now I have another problem.  Fast forward and reverse
> work just fine and sometimes it plays and records just fine.
> 
> Here's the problem.  The two wheels that has the rubber belt does not
> always turn and when it doesn't, the play mode and record modes don't
work.
>  All I need to do is basically tap the wheel and away it goes and will
> continue to run just fine.  I don't really feel any restrictions either.
> 
> FWIW, I did electrical engineering for 27 years but I cannot read those
> dang schematics because my eyesight is not that good and those prints are
> micro size.  I'm used to D-size prints, not A-size that's been shrunk.
> 
> Does this problem sound familiar to anyone? Is this the gear mod that
most
> people have done or is that strictly the forward and reverse problem?
> 
> Anyway, I had filled out the form for Liberman Sound for a basic tuneup
and
> calibration.  I haven't heard back yet.
> 
> Roland
> 
> <



From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Sep  3 07:55:55 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 1:55:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Another eBay idiot
Message-ID: <20040903055556.FMIT6461.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Is this guy serious, $525 for a brokend CR-7A?  I wouldn't pay that for a working unit with the remote unless it was fresh from Sank or eslabs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5718715331&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW




From george.valkov at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 12:05:25 2004
From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:05:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Another eBay idiot
In-Reply-To: <20040903055556.FMIT6461.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
References: <20040903055556.FMIT6461.lakermmtao11.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <518b7b1040903030515152dae@mail.gmail.com>

There's nothing wrong with the seller, it's the buyer who'd fit better
within your subject line -:)

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 1:55:55 -0400, rjlbjk at cox.net <rjlbjk at cox.net> wrote:
> Is this guy serious, $525 for a brokend CR-7A?  I wouldn't pay that for a working unit with the remote unless it was fresh from Sank or eslabs.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64598&item=5718715331&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
> 
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Fri Sep  3 13:53:01 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 7:53:01 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
Message-ID: <20040903115301.UGEJ1237.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Fuad,

I've not had a problem since I started blowing around the switches and the general area of the drive wheels.  Now that I think of it, I'm not sure about the display.

I wasn't clear, yes the button and switches were functional like forward and reverse, it was just the play button when hit, briefly extinguished the other button lamps and then came back on.

Try blowing around the switches and clean the head area with a cleaner.  It worked for me!


> 
> From: compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
> Date: 2004/09/02 Thu PM 02:25:09 EDT
> To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
> 
> Roland,
> 
> It sounds like we are having the same problem, but in my case the bar
> display and all other switches (dolby control etc) were all functional when
> four button lights were on at the same time. As you said, it is very likely
> that the control switches themselves maybe dirty. 
> 
> I have another cr-7a which is one of the early models that is functional
> but cosmetically in a bad shape. It is also very rusty inside as if the
> previous owner used it in his bathroom! I can probably exchange parts from
> one to the other see if the problem goes away.
> 
> Thanks,
> _Fuad
> 
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> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:55:14 -0400
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> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
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> 
> 
> I'm beginning to wonder if it's just a contamination issue with one of your
> switches.  When the tape wrapped around the capstan and roller lift, the
> FWD, REV, PLAY and one other button light was lit and oh yea, the bar
> display was dead.  All was well except for my little problem.  If I hit the
> STOP button, the other button lights would extinguish but after a few
> seconds, they'd be back.
> 
> After clearing the tape, I had the problem I just described below.
> 
> I couldn't help but think but remember that there were a lot of exposed
> switches in the back, so I removed the cover and started to blow around
> with my mouth.  Sure, clean compressed air would have been better, but my
> hot air was all I had!!
> 
> Well, I haven't had the problem since and when I power up, the little wheel
> with it's associated wheel spin just fine without me having to tap it.
> 
> Maybe your problem is the same as the tapes you bought might be in question
> if he used them in a boombox.  We all know how frequently those get
> cleaned!!
> 
> HTH
> 
> > 
> > From: compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com>
> > Date: 2004/09/01 Wed PM 02:33:15 EDT
> > To: "INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
> > 
> > Hi Roland,
> > 
> > I would also like to tell my recent cr-7a story. I have different
> symptoms,
> > but it resulted in tape wrapping as well.
> > In your case the problem maybe still mechanism related. Either the belt
> > needs to be replaced or the capstan etc has to be cleaned. If fast
> fwd/rwd
> > works fine, it is probably not an idler issue.
> > 
> > This weekend I bought 11 pre-recorded tapes from a guy who sells stuff on
> > the street. These are mostly early to mid 80's maxell XL-II's and UD's
> one
> > TDK SA90 and and a memorex MRX3 oxide (remember them?). Initially I
> > intended to erase and use them, but later I decided to keep them as is.
> The
> > contents are not bad: Yes, Genesis, Elvis Costello, some jazz tapes. The
> > recordings are obviously made on non-nakamichi decks. I believe the guys
> > own deck is a compact stereo and the recording levels hardly reach 0dB.
> My
> > favourite is the one labeled "aerobic tape" and contains recordings from
> 10
> > different decks: Recording levels range from -3 dB peak from one song to
> > +10 dB (with HUGE distortion) on another, not to mention the azimuth
> > adjustment are different as well. 
> > 
> > Anyways, while having too much fun with those tapes, my cr-7a could not
> > take it anymore and decided to quit: None of the controls worked, the
> tape
> > got stuck. All motors were functional except the control motor.  I have
> the
> > schematic (from techman) and started to check the voltages at the control
> > motor circuit. All of a sudden everything started to work as nothing has
> > happened! So I closed the cover and the tape was saved. 
> > 
> > The next day, while listening to a Maxell UD 60 with Spyro Gyra recording
> I
> > hit stop and suddenly the LED's on most of the control buttons went on
> > simultaneously. I believe these were fwd/rwd/play and pause, as if the
> > controller screwed up and went into a test mode or something. Hitting any
> > of the controls briefly engaged it, but then returned to the same weird
> > state. Again I started to poke the control circuit and after some time it
> > returned to normal. But this time the tape was wrapped on the take-up
> > capstan and crushed (I am glad it did not happen to the aerobic tape!).
> Now
> > it is as good as before, but probably some component on the control
> > circuitry is about to die. Maybe the control motor & related mechanism
> > needs cleaning??
> > 
> > Hope I did not bore you guys with this long story, if anybody has
> > suggestions, please let me know.
> > 
> > Another note: I have replaced the rubber idler wheel with the gear couple
> > months ago, so this is definitely not an idler problem (of course, if I
> did
> > not screw up anything).
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > _Fuad
> > 
> > 
> > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
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> > From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> > Precedence: list
> > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping update
> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:57:34 -0400
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Message-ID:
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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> > 
> > 
> > Brief story.  Tape wrapped around the capstan and one of those little
> > rubber wheels that lift the head mechanism to the tape.  I put everything
> > back together and now I have another problem.  Fast forward and reverse
> > work just fine and sometimes it plays and records just fine.
> > 
> > Here's the problem.  The two wheels that has the rubber belt does not
> > always turn and when it doesn't, the play mode and record modes don't
> work.
> >  All I need to do is basically tap the wheel and away it goes and will
> > continue to run just fine.  I don't really feel any restrictions either.
> > 
> > FWIW, I did electrical engineering for 27 years but I cannot read those
> > dang schematics because my eyesight is not that good and those prints are
> > micro size.  I'm used to D-size prints, not A-size that's been shrunk.
> > 
> > Does this problem sound familiar to anyone? Is this the gear mod that
> most
> > people have done or is that strictly the forward and reverse problem?
> > 
> > Anyway, I had filled out the form for Liberman Sound for a basic tuneup
> and
> > calibration.  I haven't heard back yet.
> > 
> > Roland
> > 
> > <
> 
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Sep  2 12:28:51 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:28:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape wrapping: What to put in your Nak
Message-ID: <s13a61f5.060@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Thats totally true Jerry....Faud, I have a connection in Pietermaritzburg, RSA, who has a 582Z and a 682ZX and I remember him the last time I saw him saying that he would never put a second hand tape in his Naks.  Their heads are just too precious and these tapes may have been rolling around on the floor of someones car!!  Since then, I have made a practice of seperating tapes I use in the car from those I use in my listening room!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> jerryjg at webtv.net 09/02/04 09:34AM >>>
Dear Faud,I'm no expert,but sometimes i play one on the Naktalk,and i
suggest you dont put most pre-recorded tapes into your  hi-dollar nak
equipment without a thorough visual and tactile examination of the tape
and a couple of quick playthroughs on a less valuable/expendable deck or
even boombox,as i have found a large percentage of these tapes to be
junk that may hurt your precious machine.As long as these tapes were
only fair recordings to begin with,why not buy an old nak tri-tracer or
maybe an other excellent non-naK deck or even dual dubbing decks and
make yourself a copy of those fun to listen to tapes on some solid
quality new tapes.  Regarding the memorex mr3 Oxide ,they are type 1's,
and i have a bunch of those-they seem to be solid built and to sound
very good-like the old ad said.."is it real or is it memorex?(with Ella
Fitzgerald..remember?).
 

thank you very much,
gerald

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From ti at amb.org  Sun Sep  5 10:21:12 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 01:21:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Marathon II
In-Reply-To: <10523-413A9C8C-7900@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> from "Gerald
	G." at Sep 04, 2004 11:56:44 PM
Message-ID: <20040905082112.E5222F0E2@smtp.amb.org>

Gerald G. writes:
> I'm pretty dismayed by the lack of enthusiasm expressed over this latest
> Marathon Project.As a matter of fact, i have only seen a few posts even
> bothering to thank Carlos.This after an effort by the Bay area group
> that is nothing short of  magnificent.I don't know,maybe i'm out of line
> here i hope,if so please forgive me,but i was hoping for some
> reviews,comments..ANYTHING! I'm hping this won't be the last Marathon!!

Nah... there has been a number of appreciation posts already, and
the rest of the people are probably just spending all their free time
listening to music :)

I am curious, though, whether people have listened critically to tracks
10 and 14 of CD 2, and heard a difference.  If so, which sounded better
to you?

-Ti

P.S. I am cross-posting this to naktalk because I don't think everyone
     on naktalk is also on audiotalk.  I apologize for duplicates.



From ti at amb.org  Mon Sep  6 06:38:33 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:38:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Marathon II: 14th track
In-Reply-To: <029101c49397$665c8260$2402a8c0@WorkGroup> from "Compudude" at
	Sep 05, 2004 03:26:24 PM
Message-ID: <20040906043833.4BDFAD58E@smtp.amb.org>

Compudude writes:
> I am not sure why, both of my CD players refuse to play the 14th track of
> the Vol1 CD. One is Nak OMS 7a-II, the other one is a Audio Refinement CD
> player which I purchased from Jim Volpatti. This is a very nice sounding CD
> player, but the mechanism is a so-so sony. On 14th track this one just fails
> to track and starts to skip. Nak cannot track it either, and mutes the
> signal with audible relay clickings.
> 
> I don't think it is because of the CD, since Carlos used a good quality TDK
> pro recordible CD. My guess is that since this is the last track on the CD,
> it is the one closest to the outer edge. (CD tracks go from inside to
> outside, as opposed to LP's) Also, the total recording time is over the 74
> min limit maybe? Any ideas??

Even though the media is good quality, it is still a CD-R and not a
factory pressed CD.  Many CD players have a hard time playing CD-Rs,
including some of mine.

> If this is the case, even if your CD player is does not skip, it may be
> using error correction and interpolation of digital data and this may have a
> direct effect on the sound quality. Then everyone will think track 10 is
> superior. In my case track 14 does not even play!

Good point there.

Incidentally, I was listening to the Marathon CD again today on my
computer (a DVD+-RW combo drive), and it was having trouble with it
too.  Not just the last tracks, but it started skipping beginning with
track 9 and up.  Strange, because just the other day I played it on the
same drive and it worked just fine for the entire disc...
Temperamental beasts.

-Ti



From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Sep  6 19:49:42 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:49:42 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Marathon II: 14th track
References: <20040906043833.4BDFAD58E@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <002001c49439$e48848c0$27773242@CopyTech>

A word on CDR's: As last time, I warned about the compatibility of these
CDR's with the players. I have found thta the most expensive the machine is
the less tolerant is with CDR's. When my Revox doesn't play, I use a "el
cheapo" Aiwa minicomponent and it never fails. This has to be with the
factory laser calibration too.

Sorry, but I have no control over that. TDK cd's are really good and
reliable.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <audiotalk at naks.com>
Cc: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Marathon II: 14th track


> Compudude writes:
> > I am not sure why, both of my CD players refuse to play the 14th track
of
> > the Vol1 CD. One is Nak OMS 7a-II, the other one is a Audio Refinement
CD
> > player which I purchased from Jim Volpatti. This is a very nice sounding
CD
> > player, but the mechanism is a so-so sony.


From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Sep  6 17:07:23 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:07:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Marathon II: 14th track
References: <20040906043833.4BDFAD58E@smtp.amb.org>
	<002001c49439$e48848c0$27773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <005701c49423$3bab3a20$adb20642@john1patlmckrl>

Not your fault Carlos. Machine problem more than disc errors. My ReVox B225 
plays your discs okay.

John T. in windswept Delaware

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Marathon II: 14th track


>A word on CDR's: As last time, I warned about the compatibility of these
> CDR's with the players. I have found thta the most expensive the machine 
> is
> the less tolerant is with CDR's. When my Revox doesn't play, I use a "el
> cheapo" Aiwa minicomponent and it never fails. This has to be with the
> factory laser calibration too.
>
> Sorry, but I have no control over that. TDK cd's are really good and
> reliable.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
> To: <audiotalk at naks.com>
> Cc: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:38 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Marathon II: 14th track
>
>
>> Compudude writes:
>> > I am not sure why, both of my CD players refuse to play the 14th track
> of
>> > the Vol1 CD. One is Nak OMS 7a-II, the other one is a Audio Refinement
> CD
>> > player which I purchased from Jim Volpatti. This is a very nice 
>> > sounding
> CD
>> > player, but the mechanism is a so-so sony.
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Tue Sep  7 00:49:58 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:49:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
Message-ID: <001b01c49463$d5ebf3a0$411c0cd0@r7g1f8>

My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the real reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on more decks like say the Dragon??

Randall in Seattle
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 09:22:31 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:22:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
In-Reply-To: <001b01c49463$d5ebf3a0$411c0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <000f01c494ab$70606320$e1de4c51@oemcomputer>

I read it was the threat of legal action from Phillips but I've not verified
this information.

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: 06 September 2004 23:50
  To: NAKTALK
  Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


  My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the real
reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on more
decks like say the Dragon??

  Randall in Seattle
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Tue Sep  7 09:31:57 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:31:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
Message-ID: <s13d8022.005@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Because Philips were horrible to them and told them to stop.

Seriously Randall, there was a bit of a political bunfight between the two companies with Philips getting very upset by Nakamichi deviating from an industry standard that Nakamichi had purchased and contracted into.  It was a licencing issue, basically.  I don't recall any debate on quality matters - but obviously Philips was making heaps of tom without the mad-Nakkers upsetting the apple cart.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 09/07/04 12:49AM >>>
My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the real reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on more decks like say the Dragon??

Randall in Seattle

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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Sep  7 15:10:43 2004
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:10:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
References: <s13d8022.005@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <003a01c494dc$15fe2670$fb6623c8@g8nsv>

I remember a frriend of mine who is a Nak technician here in Caracas,
Venezuela telling me Phillips got very upset after the 680ZX was lauched.
They never xpected this model would sell so good so they reach an agreement
(Phillips and Nakamichi) in which Nak would be allowed to sell all the 680ZX
they already prodeced with thew condition they would not produce another
model with 2 speeds.

Isy
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> Because Philips were horrible to them and told them to stop.
>
> Seriously Randall, there was a bit of a political bunfight between the two
companies with Philips getting very upset by Nakamichi deviating from an
industry standard that Nakamichi had purchased and contracted into.  It was
a licencing issue, basically.  I don't recall any debate on quality
matters - but obviously Philips was making heaps of tom without the
mad-Nakkers upsetting the apple cart.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
> >>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 09/07/04 12:49AM >>>
> My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the real
reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on more
decks like say the Dragon??
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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Tue Sep  7 16:24:47 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:24:47 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
References: <000f01c494ab$70606320$e1de4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003401c494e6$6dc17380$411c0cd0@r7g1f8>

Legal action of what sort?  What jurisdiction would Philips have over Nakamichi?  I don't understand.

Randall 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:22 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


  I read it was the threat of legal action from Phillips but I've not verified this information.

  Gra'
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    Sent: 06 September 2004 23:50
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    Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


    My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the real reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on more decks like say the Dragon??

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 23:39:10 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:39:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
In-Reply-To: <003401c494e6$6dc17380$411c0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <000001c49523$1c78f6a0$999287d9@oemcomputer>

Phillips invented and patented, the cassette recorder.  All the rest were
manufactured under license.

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Babin/Greseth
  Sent: 07 September 2004 15:25
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


  Legal action of what sort?  What jurisdiction would Philips have over
Nakamichi?  I don't understand.

  Randall
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nelson
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:22 AM
    Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


    I read it was the threat of legal action from Phillips but I've not
verified this information.

    Gra'
      -----Original Message-----
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      Sent: 06 September 2004 23:50
      To: NAKTALK
      Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


      My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the
real reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on
more decks like say the Dragon??

      Randall in Seattle

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  8 07:34:21 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:34:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
References: <000001c49523$1c78f6a0$999287d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV9nrrXj7gC200068944@hotmail.com>

Was other brands that also have half or double speed, as a Bic brand that once I own for two days, I just don't remember, if was double or half...among the normal one!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:39 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


  Phillips invented and patented, the cassette recorder.  All the rest were manufactured under license.

  Gra'
    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Babin/Greseth
    Sent: 07 September 2004 15:25
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


    Legal action of what sort?  What jurisdiction would Philips have over Nakamichi?  I don't understand.

    Randall 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Nelson 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:22 AM
      Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


      I read it was the threat of legal action from Phillips but I've not verified this information.

      Gra'
        -----Original Message-----
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        Sent: 06 September 2004 23:50
        To: NAKTALK
        Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


        My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the real reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on more decks like say the Dragon??

        Randall in Seattle



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From click76112 at charter.net  Tue Sep  7 17:18:28 2004
From: click76112 at charter.net (Lee Carmichael)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:18:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] instruction manual needed
In-Reply-To: <003401c494e6$6dc17380$411c0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <ELEGIJENOMMONGDGHPCHAENHCBAA.click76112@charter.net>


  Hi all,
  I am a new subscriber to this list.  I am in search of an instruction
manual for a Nakamichi Cassette 2.  My wife just brought this home from an
estate sale and there was no paper work with it.  Any help would be
appreciated.  I have been to Nakamichi's web site but evidently the unit is
old enough not to be listed on the site.

  thanks again,

  lee\c
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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Tue Sep  7 23:24:23 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:24:23 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
Message-ID: <090720042124.3184.413E2706000C2CF400000C702200750784010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

The cassette was developed by Philips with a very specific format standard.  Similar to CD (Philip / Sony).  Changing the specifications without Philips consent is prohibited.


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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Wed Sep  8 04:18:46 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:18:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
References: <000001c49523$1c78f6a0$999287d9@oemcomputer>
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I didn't know that.  Got it!!!  Thanks.

Randall
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:39 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


  Phillips invented and patented, the cassette recorder.  All the rest were manufactured under license.

  Gra'
    -----Original Message-----
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Babin/Greseth
    Sent: 07 September 2004 15:25
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


    Legal action of what sort?  What jurisdiction would Philips have over Nakamichi?  I don't understand.

    Randall 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Nelson 
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
      Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:22 AM
      Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


      I read it was the threat of legal action from Phillips but I've not verified this information.

      Gra'
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        Sent: 06 September 2004 23:50
        To: NAKTALK
        Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


        My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the real reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on more decks like say the Dragon??

        Randall in Seattle



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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  8 04:45:18 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:45:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
Message-ID: <BAY16-F4sBk31TZ14eB000772bb@hotmail.com>


Philips and Sony (if memory serves) were developers of the "Compact 
Cassette" design standard. Anyone departing from that design standard might 
be in violation of the licensing agreement to use the technology. Printing 
of the logo "Compact Cassette" on the cassette body  indicates compliance 
with the standard.  That, however, makes me wonder why Fostex and other 
4-track ministudio, cassette-based deck manufacturers wouldn't face similar 
litigation? That's probably because cassette media profit potential in the 
mass market has been eclipsed by CD.

Philips and Magnavox co-developed the audio CD technology hence the square 
"compact DISC" logo on all CD blanks or packages. Now that the standard 
audio CD blank is now used from everything from data warehousing to home 
movies one would wonder why Philips doesn't have some lawyer chasing 
everbody on the planet for extra loot. The royalties from the blank media 
must be enough to keep them happy.

Regards,

Bob

>From: "Babin/Greseth" <jvbrhg at seanet.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:24:47 -0700
>
>Legal action of what sort?  What jurisdiction would Philips have over 
>Nakamichi?  I don't understand.
>
>Randall

>
>
>   I read it was the threat of legal action from Phillips but I've not 
>verified this information.
>
>   Gra'

>
>     My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the 
>real reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on 
>more decks like say the Dragon??
>
>     Randall in Seattle
>
>

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 09:31:52 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:31:52 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV9nrrXj7gC200068944@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c49575$e8c121e0$afcf4c51@oemcomputer>

I suppose it depends on whether or not the license was still valid.  Patents
don't have an unlimited life.  I think they last for 20 years in the UK -
may be less.  ( Any lawyers out there who will advise without charging a
fee?!! )   I'd guess it's much the same in the USA.   Also, as Bob says,
they may have taken a commercial decision not to litigate against some of
the others who they considered were not serious rivals.

Gra'
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Of Alex Cozac
  Sent: 08 September 2004 06:34
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


  Was other brands that also have half or double speed, as a Bic brand that
once I own for two days, I just don't remember, if was double or
half...among the normal one!

  ALEX!
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nelson
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


    Phillips invented and patented, the cassette recorder.  All the rest
were manufactured under license.

    Gra'
      -----Original Message-----
      From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Babin/Greseth
      Sent: 07 September 2004 15:25
      To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
      Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


      Legal action of what sort?  What jurisdiction would Philips have over
Nakamichi?  I don't understand.

      Randall
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Nelson
        To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
        Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:22 AM
        Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


        I read it was the threat of legal action from Phillips but I've not
verified this information.

        Gra'
          -----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Babin/Greseth
          Sent: 06 September 2004 23:50
          To: NAKTALK
          Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


          My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is
the real reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature
on more decks like say the Dragon??

          Randall in Seattle



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From ti at amb.org  Wed Sep  8 10:50:53 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:50:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F4sBk31TZ14eB000772bb@hotmail.com> from "bwana747 _" at
	Sep 07, 2004 09:45:18 PM
Message-ID: <20040908085053.0C6C610367@smtp.amb.org>

bwana747 _ writes:
> Philips and Sony (if memory serves) were developers of the "Compact 
> Cassette" design standard.

Philips and Sony were co-inventors of the digital audio Compact *DISC*
format.  For Compact Cassettes it's only Philips.  Sony has nothing to
do with inventing the cassette.

> Philips and Magnavox co-developed the audio CD technology hence the square 
> "compact DISC" logo on all CD blanks or packages.

Magnavox is Philips.  At one time Philips was not allowed to use the
"Philips" trademark in the US, probably because of conflict with another
company.  So Philips used the Magnavox brand for its consumer products
in the US to get around that.  However that is no longer the case and
Philips is now using its own brand in the US, while at the same time also
using the Magnavox brand for some of its products.

-Ti



From click76112 at charter.net  Wed Sep  8 13:40:01 2004
From: click76112 at charter.net (Lee Carmichael)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:40:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] instruction manual needed
In-Reply-To: <ELEGIJENOMMONGDGHPCHAENHCBAA.click76112@charter.net>
Message-ID: <ELEGIJENOMMONGDGHPCHOENNCBAA.click76112@charter.net>

found one on Ebay crisis averted.

lee\c
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Of Lee Carmichael
  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: [naktalk] instruction manual needed



    Hi all,
    I am a new subscriber to this list.  I am in search of an instruction
manual for a Nakamichi Cassette 2.  My wife just brought this home from an
estate sale and there was no paper work with it.  Any help would be
appreciated.  I have been to Nakamichi's web site but evidently the unit is
old enough not to be listed on the site.

    thanks again,

    lee\c
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Sep  7 23:56:51 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:56:51 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
References: <000f01c494ab$70606320$e1de4c51@oemcomputer>
	<003401c494e6$6dc17380$411c0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <000001c495c7$8e33b380$07773242@CopyTech>

Phillips were the father and inventor of the cassette media and all cassette related systems and/or materials have to pay royalties to them and needs to be licensed from the patent holder, in this case Phillips. Same goes to CD's: all cd manufacturers in the world pays royalties of each cd pressed to the patent holder, well at least that's how it is supposed to be. Same happens with Dolby.

Carlos
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  From: Babin/Greseth 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


  Legal action of what sort?  What jurisdiction would Philips have over Nakamichi?  I don't understand.

  Randall 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Nelson 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:22 AM
    Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


    I read it was the threat of legal action from Phillips but I've not verified this information.

    Gra'
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      Sent: 06 September 2004 23:50
      To: NAKTALK
      Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


      My 680ZX does such a great job recording at 15/16 ips.  What is the real reason that Nakamichi discontinued or didn't promote this feature on more decks like say the Dragon??

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From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 22:17:51 2004
From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:17:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] I am back
Message-ID: <20040908201751.34073.qmail@web52401.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi guys 
I was wondering why I am not getting any posts recently - reason seems to be my mail id. Now that Wouter had acted very quickly to bring me in !
What happened to marathon tape mailing?
Yeah I am back in San jose - after spending 6 weeks in Chicago 
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From BOEING747600 at aol.com  Wed Sep  8 22:35:19 2004
From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:35:19 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed,
	BIC T-4M 1 7/78 and  3 3/4 ips speeds!!
Message-ID: <102.4ed5af13.2e70c707@aol.com>

HI Nakkers!  I am a proud owner of a BIC model T-4M  Double speed cassette 
deck!  1 7/8 and 3 3/4 in speeds!  fantastic machine!  owners manual says double 
speed is best for live recording due to extended frequency response of 20 to 
23,000 hz with 70usec tape.  I also own a Nakamichi Dragon  both are great 
machines!


Ali 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 01:07:14 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:07:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Kannan
In-Reply-To: <000001c495c7$8e33b380$07773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000001c495f8$94a84420$03894c51@oemcomputer>

Don't know what it is about the email address you used to post the "I am
back message" on the List but I can't open it without Outlook 98 crashing.
I often have the same problem with AOL emails.

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  9 05:35:46 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:35:46 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed,
	BIC T-4M 1 7/78 and  3 3/4 ips speeds!!
References: <102.4ed5af13.2e70c707@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV4J0rrSYZ3D00070c38@hotmail.com>

Yeah!!!!

That Bic model I own for two mainly days, just now I remember that was Normal & Double speed!
Sorry I also own Dragon from this year and I just hear yesterday two cassettes TDK SA recorded with my two days in use Bic T-4M deck, and sorry the Nak Dragon is 100% certainly the winner in quality of sound!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed,BIC T-4M 1 7/78 and 3 3/4 ips speeds!!


  HI Nakkers!  I am a proud owner of a BIC model T-4M  Double speed cassette deck!  1 7/8 and 3 3/4 in speeds!  fantastic machine!  owners manual says double speed is best for live recording due to extended frequency response of 20 to 23,000 hz with 70usec tape.  I also own a Nakamichi Dragon  both are great machines!


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  9 05:38:48 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:38:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Kannan
References: <000001c495f8$94a84420$03894c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV165o7P6umL000039e0@hotmail.com>

Hi Graham,

Improve yourself as me with the XP professional 100 updated with all the Microsoft updates, and you will have NO problems at all.

Good Luck!

ALEX!
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  Don't know what it is about the email address you used to post the "I am back message" on the List but I can't open it without Outlook 98 crashing.  I often have the same problem with AOL emails.

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Sep  9 01:25:07 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:25:07 -0400
Subject: OFF TOPIC - Re: [naktalk] Kannan
References: <000001c495f8$94a84420$03894c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <01b901c495fb$1421dcf0$fdb30642@john1patlmckrl>

Forget the new car Gra', time to buy that new Dell with Windows XP Pro.

I just sent my Apt pre-amp to Stephen for a refurb. job. Saying that, you surely have never heard of Apt, correct?

John T. (limey John)
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  From: Nelson 
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From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  9 07:41:53 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 00:41:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
Message-ID: <BAY16-F9pUMMQkODVeh0007e1d0@hotmail.com>

I should have proofed the message before posting so that it read Philips / 
Magnavox for cassette and Philips / Sony for the audio CD.  Philips didn't 
buy Magnavox until 1974, a good 11 years after the Philips cassette patent 
went through in 1963. So, while they're the same company now they weren't 
when the cassette was invented.

I believe another more recent player in the history of compact cassettes was 
Matsushita when the SDAT digital format for cassette was developed in the 
early 1990's. Unlike what became known as just "DAT" the SDAT used a 
stationary head for recording onto the tape. DAT used helical (spinning 
head) recording technology like a VCR would. DAT is based on the VHS digital 
audio recorders like Technics (part of Matsushita) marketed in the early 
80's. Of course, the VHS format used for those Technics digital recorders is 
based on VHS format and techology developed by Matsushita and JVC which had 
Betamax among others as ancestor. Betamax had Ampex' video recording system 
(early 1950's) as its ancestor. I can't remember just now the other 
ancestral video recording system used to preserve the Honeymooner's (Jackie 
Gleason et al.) TV show, for example. (Also early 1950's) Philips tried to 
market SDAT decks in the early 90's but the market favored helical DAT and 
recordable CDs once those became affordable. Philips had some rocky 
financial times in the early 1990's probably from overexpanding. Philips 
reorganizing of their company in the mid 90's also may be a factor in their 
decision not to pursue other legal action regarding "compact cassette" 
technology. It probably was not worth expending already tight company 
finances.

Well after Magnavox was acquired by Philips but before CD audio the Magnavox 
division (of Fort Wayne, Indiana) was involved in the development of what 
became LaserVision and LaserDisc (among other names) with much of that 
reflective disc technology (big LP sized laserdiscs) based on RCA's 1975 
patent for reading pits embedded on a reflective disc using photosensors. 
RCA also patented tracking error correction methods for laserdisc in 1985. 
The audio CD in many ways is a miniaturization of the RCA LaserVision video 
discs but modified for audio only. So, the development of DVD is in some 
ways moving back in time to LaserVision of long ago while at the same time 
moving forward to dual layer technology and video compression (MPEG-2) to 
cram much greater resolution and compressing multitrack audio onto the same 
physical size of CD.

A little bit more trivia:

Magnavox researcher Vern Quinell decided to call high frequency speakers 
"tweeters" so his colleague Ray Tolerton decided to call the low frequency 
speakers "woofers."

Also, Magnavox is Latin for great (big) voice which is what company founders 
decided to call their firm after developing their ancestor of public address 
speakers which gained fame when then President Wilson delivered a speech in 
California using equipment they provided.

Regards,
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  9 16:28:42 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:28:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
References: <BAY16-F9pUMMQkODVeh0007e1d0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV18JcZikaTA00066365@hotmail.com>

Brevo!!!! Bob!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed


>I should have proofed the message before posting so that it read Philips / 
>Magnavox for cassette and Philips / Sony for the audio CD.  Philips didn't 
>buy Magnavox until 1974, a good 11 years after the Philips cassette patent 
>went through in 1963. So, while they're the same company now they weren't 
>when the cassette was invented.
>
> I believe another more recent player in the history of compact cassettes 
> was Matsushita when the SDAT digital format for cassette was developed in 
> the early 1990's. Unlike what became known as just "DAT" the SDAT used a 
> stationary head for recording onto the tape. DAT used helical (spinning 
> head) recording technology like a VCR would. DAT is based on the VHS 
> digital audio recorders like Technics (part of Matsushita) marketed in the 
> early 80's. Of course, the VHS format used for those Technics digital 
> recorders is based on VHS format and techology developed by Matsushita and 
> JVC which had Betamax among others as ancestor. Betamax had Ampex' video 
> recording system (early 1950's) as its ancestor. I can't remember just now 
> the other ancestral video recording system used to preserve the 
> Honeymooner's (Jackie Gleason et al.) TV show, for example. (Also early 
> 1950's) Philips tried to market SDAT decks in the early 90's but the 
> market favored helical DAT and recordable CDs once those became 
> affordable. Philips had some rocky financial times in the early 1990's 
> probably from overexpanding. Philips reorganizing of their company in the 
> mid 90's also may be a factor in their decision not to pursue other legal 
> action regarding "compact cassette" technology. It probably was not worth 
> expending already tight company finances.
>
> Well after Magnavox was acquired by Philips but before CD audio the 
> Magnavox division (of Fort Wayne, Indiana) was involved in the development 
> of what became LaserVision and LaserDisc (among other names) with much of 
> that reflective disc technology (big LP sized laserdiscs) based on RCA's 
> 1975 patent for reading pits embedded on a reflective disc using 
> photosensors. RCA also patented tracking error correction methods for 
> laserdisc in 1985. The audio CD in many ways is a miniaturization of the 
> RCA LaserVision video discs but modified for audio only. So, the 
> development of DVD is in some ways moving back in time to LaserVision of 
> long ago while at the same time moving forward to dual layer technology 
> and video compression (MPEG-2) to cram much greater resolution and 
> compressing multitrack audio onto the same physical size of CD.
>
> A little bit more trivia:
>
> Magnavox researcher Vern Quinell decided to call high frequency speakers 
> "tweeters" so his colleague Ray Tolerton decided to call the low frequency 
> speakers "woofers."
>
> Also, Magnavox is Latin for great (big) voice which is what company 
> founders decided to call their firm after developing their ancestor of 
> public address speakers which gained fame when then President Wilson 
> delivered a speech in California using equipment they provided.
>
> Regards,
> Bob
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 19:28:26 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:28:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Alex
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV165o7P6umL000039e0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49692$6ad8c800$7370893e@oemcomputer>

I would but that means buying a new PC or serious upgrading for my current
one  - always assuming that it is capable of being upgraded.  The current
Dell Dimension (Pentium II) that I have is on the borderline of being able
to accept XP and still work!   ( I frequently run out of RAM as it is, and
there's 128 under the bonnet.... which used to be a lot ... )

Sometimes I think that, if Microsoft employed the best Indian and Russian
programmers they wouldn't keep writing programs that require bigger and
faster PCs !   It's like, "Guys, we now have a better OS for your computing
... but it makes your current PC obsolete."  Is Bill Gates in league with
the PC makers?!  It feels like a stunt that Linn would pull - "Here is the
perfect Linn Sondek ... except it isn't quite right and we've made
improvements, which you can buy ... forever and eternity until you'll have
spent many times more on the deck as you might have done if you'd gone and
bought something really high end that worked brilliantly in the first place
..."

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
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Of Alex Cozac
  Sent: 09 September 2004 04:39
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Kannan


  Hi Graham,

  Improve yourself as me with the XP professional 100 updated with all the
Microsoft updates, and you will have NO problems at all.

  Good Luck!

  ALEX!
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    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:07 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] Kannan


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I often have the same problem with AOL emails.

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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  9 13:20:21 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 07:20:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
Message-ID: <BAY2-F153cTozqeZ4dp0001113d@hotmail.com>

Bob:

Also on the digital video scene in the early 70's was MCA/Universal with 
their "disc-covision' which preceded the Pioneer video discs. I remember all 
the hoopla about this new form of entertainment as one of my friends was an 
executive at Universal/New York at the time. My memory is not so clear as to 
what ever happened to this system hardware and software wise.

Regards,

Neil


>From: "bwana747 _" <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
>Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 00:41:53 -0500
>
>I should have proofed the message before posting so that it read Philips / 
>Magnavox for cassette and Philips / Sony for the audio CD.  Philips didn't 
>buy Magnavox until 1974, a good 11 years after the Philips cassette patent 
>went through in 1963. So, while they're the same company now they weren't 
>when the cassette was invented.
>
>I believe another more recent player in the history of compact cassettes 
>was Matsushita when the SDAT digital format for cassette was developed in 
>the early 1990's. Unlike what became known as just "DAT" the SDAT used a 
>stationary head for recording onto the tape. DAT used helical (spinning 
>head) recording technology like a VCR would. DAT is based on the VHS 
>digital audio recorders like Technics (part of Matsushita) marketed in the 
>early 80's. Of course, the VHS format used for those Technics digital 
>recorders is based on VHS format and techology developed by Matsushita and 
>JVC which had Betamax among others as ancestor. Betamax had Ampex' video 
>recording system (early 1950's) as its ancestor. I can't remember just now 
>the other ancestral video recording system used to preserve the 
>Honeymooner's (Jackie Gleason et al.) TV show, for example. (Also early 
>1950's) Philips tried to market SDAT decks in the early 90's but the market 
>favored helical DAT and recordable CDs once those became affordable. 
>Philips had some rocky financial times in the early 1990's probably from 
>overexpanding. Philips reorganizing of their company in the mid 90's also 
>may be a factor in their decision not to pursue other legal action 
>regarding "compact cassette" technology. It probably was not worth 
>expending already tight company finances.
>
>Well after Magnavox was acquired by Philips but before CD audio the 
>Magnavox division (of Fort Wayne, Indiana) was involved in the development 
>of what became LaserVision and LaserDisc (among other names) with much of 
>that reflective disc technology (big LP sized laserdiscs) based on RCA's 
>1975 patent for reading pits embedded on a reflective disc using 
>photosensors. RCA also patented tracking error correction methods for 
>laserdisc in 1985. The audio CD in many ways is a miniaturization of the 
>RCA LaserVision video discs but modified for audio only. So, the 
>development of DVD is in some ways moving back in time to LaserVision of 
>long ago while at the same time moving forward to dual layer technology and 
>video compression (MPEG-2) to cram much greater resolution and compressing 
>multitrack audio onto the same physical size of CD.
>
>A little bit more trivia:
>
>Magnavox researcher Vern Quinell decided to call high frequency speakers 
>"tweeters" so his colleague Ray Tolerton decided to call the low frequency 
>speakers "woofers."
>
>Also, Magnavox is Latin for great (big) voice which is what company 
>founders decided to call their firm after developing their ancestor of 
>public address speakers which gained fame when then President Wilson 
>delivered a speech in California using equipment they provided.
>
>Regards,
>Bob
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 21:00:32 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:00:32 +0100
Subject: OFF TOPIC - Re: [naktalk] Kannan
In-Reply-To: <01b901c495fb$1421dcf0$fdb30642@john1patlmckrl>
Message-ID: <000d01c4969f$483c62e0$419c87d9@oemcomputer>

That Apt Holman, John?

Gra'
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  Sent: 09 September 2004 00:25
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: OFF TOPIC - Re: [naktalk] Kannan


  Forget the new car Gra', time to buy that new Dell with Windows XP Pro.

  I just sent my Apt pre-amp to Stephen for a refurb. job. Saying that, you
surely have never heard of Apt, correct?

  John T. (limey John)
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    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
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From flifton at mac.com  Thu Sep  9 20:39:23 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:39:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] What's up with Dolby
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Message-ID: <91B78088-028F-11D9-9E9B-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Hi all,
Speaking of Dolby, I was listening to a tape yesterday and I was again 
struck by something I've noticed before: Dolby sounds terrible on my 
gear. It sounds very compressed and limited. Much of the high end 
"presence" is gone. Sure the tape hiss is gone too, but it hardly seems 
worth it if I miss that much of my music. Could this my set up/tapes? 
The vast majority of my tapes were recorded on my old Sony TC-K81 using 
Dolby B. I always used the bias and Dolby calibration tones on that 
deck before making a recording. I play my tapes on my recently 
Sanktified CR-3a set up to Nak factory specs (I assume). Any thoughts?


OT: BTW, Gra' and company, if you really want to avoid many email (and 
a billion other) problems dump your old Dell-GatesBox in favor of a 
sweet, stylish Mac (if you don't like messing with computers) or a 
cheap, crunchy, friendly UNIX machine (if you like messing with 
computers).

cheers,
Fred

> From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Date: September 7, 2004 2:56:51 PM PDT
> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
> Phillips were the father and inventor of the cassette media and all 
> cassette related systems and/or materials have to pay royalties to 
> them and needs to be licensed from the patent holder, in this case 
> Phillips. Same goes to CD's: all cd manufacturers in the world pays 
> royalties of each cd pressed to the patent holder, well at least 
> that's how it is supposed to be. Same happens with Dolby.
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From flifton at mac.com  Thu Sep  9 20:44:54 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:44:54 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette copyright
In-Reply-To: <200409091000.i89A0C6f003692@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200409091000.i89A0C6f003692@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <570CCA60-0290-11D9-9E9B-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Fascinating stuff, Bob. So does a copyright or patent on a format (e.g. 
CD or Compact Cassette) expire and become public domain like other 
patents? Perhaps being license free could spur a new market for 
cassettes and cassette players since they could presumably be 
manufactured without having to pay Philips/Magnavox. Just a fantasy...

Fred

On Sep 9, 2004, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

>
> From: bwana747 _ <bwana747 at hotmail.com>
> Date: September 8, 2004 10:41:53 PM PDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Half Speed
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
> I should have proofed the message before posting so that it read 
> Philips / Magnavox for cassette and Philips / Sony for the audio CD.  
> Philips didn't buy Magnavox until 1974, a good 11 years after the 
> Philips cassette patent went through in 1963. So, while they're the 
> same company now they weren't when the cassette was invented.
>
> I believe another more recent player in the history of compact 
> cassettes was Matsushita when the SDAT digital format for cassette was 
> developed in the early 1990's. Unlike what became known as just "DAT" 
> the SDAT used a stationary head for recording onto the tape. DAT used 
> helical (spinning head) recording technology like a VCR would. DAT is 
> based on the VHS digital audio recorders like Technics (part of 
> Matsushita) marketed in the early 80's. Of course, the VHS format used 
> for those Technics digital recorders is based on VHS format and 
> techology developed by Matsushita and JVC which had Betamax among 
> others as ancestor. Betamax had Ampex' video recording system (early 
> 1950's) as its ancestor. I can't remember just now the other ancestral 
> video recording system used to preserve the Honeymooner's (Jackie 
> Gleason et al.) TV show, for example. (Also early 1950's) Philips 
> tried to market SDAT decks in the early 90's but the market favored 
> helical DAT and recordable CDs once those became affordable. Philips 
> had some rocky financial times in the early 1990's probably from 
> overexpanding. Philips reorganizing of their company in the mid 90's 
> also may be a factor in their decision not to pursue other legal 
> action regarding "compact cassette" technology. It probably was not 
> worth expending already tight company finances.
>
> Well after Magnavox was acquired by Philips but before CD audio the 
> Magnavox division (of Fort Wayne, Indiana) was involved in the 
> development of what became LaserVision and LaserDisc (among other 
> names) with much of that reflective disc technology (big LP sized 
> laserdiscs) based on RCA's 1975 patent for reading pits embedded on a 
> reflective disc using photosensors. RCA also patented tracking error 
> correction methods for laserdisc in 1985. The audio CD in many ways is 
> a miniaturization of the RCA LaserVision video discs but modified for 
> audio only. So, the development of DVD is in some ways moving back in 
> time to LaserVision of long ago while at the same time moving forward 
> to dual layer technology and video compression (MPEG-2) to cram much 
> greater resolution and compressing multitrack audio onto the same 
> physical size of CD.
>
> A little bit more trivia:
>
> Magnavox researcher Vern Quinell decided to call high frequency 
> speakers "tweeters" so his colleague Ray Tolerton decided to call the 
> low frequency speakers "woofers."
>
> Also, Magnavox is Latin for great (big) voice which is what company 
> founders decided to call their firm after developing their ancestor of 
> public address speakers which gained fame when then President Wilson 
> delivered a speech in California using equipment they provided.
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Sep  9 21:28:37 2004
From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net)
Date: Thu,  9 Sep 2004 15:28:37 -0400
Subject: OFF TOPIC - Re: [naktalk] Kannan
In-Reply-To: <000d01c4969f$483c62e0$419c87d9@oemcomputer>
References: <000d01c4969f$483c62e0$419c87d9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1094758117.4140aee5ce26d@mail.ce.net>

10-4 Gra', you get the prize, a Nak machine needing unavailable parts ;-) I 
told Stephen to not concern himself about the phono section of said pre-amp. as 
it's not used anymore. His reply was something like 'the best phono stage in a 
commercial pre-amp and you are not going to use it!'. I then confessed to 
having a Thorens TT with SME arm wrapped in a trash bag somewhere in our garage.

John T.

Quoting Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>:

> That Apt Holman, John?
> 
> Gra'
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
> Of John M. Tooley
>   Sent: 09 September 2004 00:25
>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>   Subject: OFF TOPIC - Re: [naktalk] Kannan
> 
> 
>   Forget the new car Gra', time to buy that new Dell with Windows XP Pro.
> 
>   I just sent my Apt pre-amp to Stephen for a refurb. job. Saying that, you
> surely have never heard of Apt, correct?
> 
>   John T. (limey John)
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Nelson
>     To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>     Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:07 PM
>     Subject: [naktalk] Kannan
> 
> 
>     Don't know what it is about the email address you used to post the "I
> am
> back message" on the List but I can't open it without Outlook 98 crashing.
> I often have the same problem with AOL emails.
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 01:10:29 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:10:29 +0100
Subject: OFF TOPIC - Re: [naktalk] 
In-Reply-To: <1094758117.4140aee5ce26d@mail.ce.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c496c2$32e66bc0$ecd64c51@oemcomputer>

Ah!  Well, I have heard OF them but not heard one.  I found some reviews,
though - mostly complimentary.  You really must rescue that Thorens and lay
down some tracks on one of your cassette machines ...  Let me know how it
seems when it's been renovated.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of jmtooley at ce.net
> Sent: 09 September 2004 20:29
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC - Re: [naktalk] Kannan
>
>
> 10-4 Gra', you get the prize, a Nak machine needing unavailable
> parts ;-) I
> told Stephen to not concern himself about the phono section of
> said pre-amp. as
> it's not used anymore. His reply was something like 'the best
> phono stage in a
> commercial pre-amp and you are not going to use it!'. I then confessed to
> having a Thorens TT with SME arm wrapped in a trash bag somewhere
> in our garage.
>
> John T.
>
> Quoting Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>:
>
> > That Apt Holman, John?
> >
> > Gra'
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com
> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
> > Of John M. Tooley
> >   Sent: 09 September 2004 00:25
> >   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >   Subject: OFF TOPIC - Re: [naktalk] Kannan
> >
> >
> >   Forget the new car Gra', time to buy that new Dell with
> Windows XP Pro.
> >
> >   I just sent my Apt pre-amp to Stephen for a refurb. job.
> Saying that, you
> > surely have never heard of Apt, correct?
> >
> >   John T. (limey John)
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Nelson
> >     To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> >     Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:07 PM
> >     Subject: [naktalk] Kannan
> >
> >
> >     Don't know what it is about the email address you used to
> post the "I
> > am
> > back message" on the List but I can't open it without Outlook
> 98 crashing.
> > I often have the same problem with AOL emails.
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From thepieboy at comcast.net  Fri Sep 10 06:27:19 2004
From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:27:19 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette copyright
Message-ID: <091020040427.16481.41412D26000C8D4C00004061220075894297010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net>

As a relative newcomer to this site, I may be out of line here with so many distinguished experts contributing. but I think this information about the cassette royalty may be incorrect. I'm going by memory on this, but my understanding was that at the time Phillips/Norelco developed the compact cassette (was it 1965?) they made it available as a new standard with no licensing fee. That is why so many companies got on board with the audio cassette format and started to develop both tapes and recorders. Naturally since Phillips was heavily invested in the format, they benefitted from it becoming widely adopted.
I seem to also recall that when Maxell started manufacturing high-end audio cassettes in the early seventies, they made a revision of the Phillips standards--they put significantly closer tolerances on all the dimensions, thereby increasing the precision of the assembly and ushering in the high-quality cassette era. I still remember being totally in awe of the audible superiority of those first Maxell UD cassettes vs anything that had been available up to that time.
The irony of the success of Phillips' approach was apparently lost on Sony, and when they developed the BetaMax standard for home videotape cassettes they asked for a hefty licensing fee. As a result very few rival manufacturers got on board (I think Toshiba was one of the few). The other manufacturers promptly developed their own standard VHS, which though inferior soon took over the market (I believe it was also a freebe or nearly so). Sony thought that sheer design superiority would prevail--too bad real life isn't like that...

Qualifier: this is all just my recollection, from the fading memory bank of a 52-year old music lover.

Best regards, 
triceratops
Eugene, Oregon

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From craig at leckband.com  Fri Sep 10 07:54:12 2004
From: craig at leckband.com (Craig Leckband)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:54:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Another Newbie Nakker
Message-ID: <41414184.8010303@leckband.com>

Hi all,

I have recently joined this venerable forum to try and learn something 
about the care and feeding of a fine piece of equipment like a Nak.  I 
have vicariously learned a lot in my brief time with the group.  I read 
through all of July and August naktalk archives.  As I get more time, I 
will read further back.

I have been a long time admirer of the craftsmanship found in a classic 
Nak tape deck.  I assembled the pieces of my first audio system from 
second hand parts in the late 70s.  I couldn't afford a Nak at the 
time.  Life happened inbetween, and I never seemed to have a good enough 
reason to invest in a Nak.  My interest in Naks has been recently piqued 
again as I contemplate archiving my analog music collection. 

My original thought was to archive my analog music to a more durable 
format, meaning digital.  Whatever the limitations on musicality of 
digital, it seemed the best way to save what was left of my analog 
collection.  So, my original thought was to get a high quality cassette 
deck for the purposes of transcribing my cassette collection.  We are 
all painfully aware that the pinnacle of this technology was in the mid 
80s.  Buying a new cassette deck for the transcription process seemed 
hopeless.   New decks are mere shadows of their forebears.

So, the unoriginal thought came to me to see about find a good deck, a 
Nak if possible, from the cassette era, that was still had life in it.  
I am enough of an engineer to know that all tape decks are in their 
heart of hearts mechanical systems.  Mechanical systems have a 
relatively fixed lifetime. 

So, off to the global garage sale of eBay to get a fix on prices.  And I 
am here to learn from the enthusiasts on how they keep their machines 
running.

The emerging picture I am getting is that many 80s Naks have been idle 
in people's racks in the best of cases or have been boxed up in their 
basement for 10 years.  Boxing a champion up is not preserving it for 
future generations. 

There are a small fraction of decks that are currently in use, and have 
been lovingly maintained by their own efforts, or been sent out to the 
local Nak repair shop, or if really lucky to ESL or Mr. Sank.  Not only 
do belts and idlers need to be changed, and all of the dust and gunk 
removed from the mechanicals, but pretty commonly circuitry is starting 
to fail.  Capacitors get diseased, power supplies need to be replaced, 
op-amps fail.
So, the venerable top of the line machines of their day are aging, but 
can be made to be at the top of their game with a large dose of 
technical expertise or buying the expertise from capable masters. 

ESL has recently offered a fully overhauled  MR-1 for $1000, a CR-7A for 
$2000 and a ZX-9 for $1200.  This at first glance seems pretty steep for 
some of the machines that have passed their 30th birthday.

Now cut over to the global garage sale, eBay.  ZX-7, ZX-9 seem to be 
quite rare, as well as 680 series.

There are quite a few Dragons and CR-7A's, but most are being sold by 
trophy brokers, not by audiophiles.  Most have been boxed, out of 
commission for long periods of time.  A trophy can be bought for a 
princely sum ranging from 500 to 1000 dollars, but it is likely to need 
the technical laying of hands to make the trophy work.  The work done 
varies, but it seems to start in the couple of hundred range, up to a 
thousand dollars or more.  That's quite a sizable liability, even once 
you win the bid.

So, being on the outside, looking in with interest, the question is .... 
are the obstacles worth it?  Metal tape has all but disappeared, Type II 
seems to be the best that you can hope to do now adays.  The cost of 
entry to the club seemed like a no brainer at 500 dollars.  At 2000, I 
have to ask myself if the investment will last long enough to pay off in 
listening enjoyment.  I could own a work of art, but a work of art that 
no longer works is just a trophy of times gone by.

I read with interest the July long thread on 1000 ZXL and the personal 
challenges of getting one running.  Admittedly, the ZXL seems to be an 
especially complicated beast, but I have to wonder if the Dragons are 4 
years away from this same horror story.

I'd like to join the club, but what can I expect for longevity if I 
start now, and what is the cost of admission? 

Thanks for allowing me to bend your ear, and thanks in advance for your 
shared wisdom.

Craig Leckband



From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 09:21:23 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:21:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette copyright
In-Reply-To: <091020040427.16481.41412D26000C8D4C00004061220075894297010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000701c49706$c6ec7640$966e893e@oemcomputer>

Hi there and welcome!

I believe you are correct about the cassettes themselves.  However, my
understanding is/was that the patent they licensed was for the cassette
players/recorders - i.e. the hardware, not the software.

Graham
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of thepieboy at comcast.net
  Sent: 10 September 2004 05:27
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: [naktalk] Cassette copyright


  As a relative newcomer to this site, I may be out of line here with so
many distinguished experts contributing. but I think this information about
the cassette royalty may be incorrect. I'm going by memory on this, but my
understanding was that at the time Phillips/Norelco developed the compact
cassette (was it 1965?) they made it available as a new standard with no
licensing fee. That is why so many companies got on board with the audio
cassette format and started to develop both tapes and recorders. Naturally
since Phillips was heavily invested in the format, they benefitted from it
becoming widely adopted.

  I seem to also recall that when Maxell started manufacturing high-end
audio cassettes in the early seventies, they made a revision of the Phillips
standards--they put significantly closer tolerances on all the dimensions,
thereby increasing the precision of the assembly and ushering in the
high-quality cassette era. I still remember being totally in awe of the
audible superiority of those first Maxell UD cassettes vs anything that had
been available up to that time.

  The irony of the success of Phillips' approach was apparently lost on
Sony, and when they developed the BetaMax standard for home videotape
cassettes they asked for a hefty licensing fee. As a result very few rival
manufacturers got on board (I think Toshiba was one of the few). The other
manufacturers promptly developed their own standard VHS, which though
inferior soon took over the market (I believe it was also a freebe or nearly
so). Sony thought that sheer design superiority would prevail--too bad real
life isn't like that...


  Qualifier: this is all just my recollection, from the fading memory bank
of a 52-year old music lover.


  Best regards,
  triceratops

  Eugene, Oregon


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 09:21:26 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:21:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Another Newbie Nakker
In-Reply-To: <41414184.8010303@leckband.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c49706$c8f4c960$966e893e@oemcomputer>

Hi Craig

Just a point of view ... If I were coming new into the world of cassette
machines now I would not invest in a Nakamichi because I am not able to fix
them myself from canibalising other machines.  It seems to me that's the way
it's going as specialist parts become rare or extinct.  There are guys in
this club who are able to do that but I'm not one of them.   Rather, I'd buy
a ReVox (probably a B215) because ReVox/Studer still support them with spare
parts.

Regard

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Craig Leckband
> Sent: 10 September 2004 06:54
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Another Newbie Nakker
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have recently joined this venerable forum to try and learn something
> about the care and feeding of a fine piece of equipment like a Nak.  I
> have vicariously learned a lot in my brief time with the group.  I read
> through all of July and August naktalk archives.  As I get more time, I
> will read further back.
>
> I have been a long time admirer of the craftsmanship found in a classic
> Nak tape deck.  I assembled the pieces of my first audio system from
> second hand parts in the late 70s.  I couldn't afford a Nak at the
> time.  Life happened inbetween, and I never seemed to have a good enough
> reason to invest in a Nak.  My interest in Naks has been recently piqued
> again as I contemplate archiving my analog music collection.
>
> My original thought was to archive my analog music to a more durable
> format, meaning digital.  Whatever the limitations on musicality of
> digital, it seemed the best way to save what was left of my analog
> collection.  So, my original thought was to get a high quality cassette
> deck for the purposes of transcribing my cassette collection.  We are
> all painfully aware that the pinnacle of this technology was in the mid
> 80s.  Buying a new cassette deck for the transcription process seemed
> hopeless.   New decks are mere shadows of their forebears.
>
> So, the unoriginal thought came to me to see about find a good deck, a
> Nak if possible, from the cassette era, that was still had life in it.
> I am enough of an engineer to know that all tape decks are in their
> heart of hearts mechanical systems.  Mechanical systems have a
> relatively fixed lifetime.
>
> So, off to the global garage sale of eBay to get a fix on prices.  And I
> am here to learn from the enthusiasts on how they keep their machines
> running.
>
> The emerging picture I am getting is that many 80s Naks have been idle
> in people's racks in the best of cases or have been boxed up in their
> basement for 10 years.  Boxing a champion up is not preserving it for
> future generations.
>
> There are a small fraction of decks that are currently in use, and have
> been lovingly maintained by their own efforts, or been sent out to the
> local Nak repair shop, or if really lucky to ESL or Mr. Sank.  Not only
> do belts and idlers need to be changed, and all of the dust and gunk
> removed from the mechanicals, but pretty commonly circuitry is starting
> to fail.  Capacitors get diseased, power supplies need to be replaced,
> op-amps fail.
> So, the venerable top of the line machines of their day are aging, but
> can be made to be at the top of their game with a large dose of
> technical expertise or buying the expertise from capable masters.
>
> ESL has recently offered a fully overhauled  MR-1 for $1000, a CR-7A for
> $2000 and a ZX-9 for $1200.  This at first glance seems pretty steep for
> some of the machines that have passed their 30th birthday.
>
> Now cut over to the global garage sale, eBay.  ZX-7, ZX-9 seem to be
> quite rare, as well as 680 series.
>
> There are quite a few Dragons and CR-7A's, but most are being sold by
> trophy brokers, not by audiophiles.  Most have been boxed, out of
> commission for long periods of time.  A trophy can be bought for a
> princely sum ranging from 500 to 1000 dollars, but it is likely to need
> the technical laying of hands to make the trophy work.  The work done
> varies, but it seems to start in the couple of hundred range, up to a
> thousand dollars or more.  That's quite a sizable liability, even once
> you win the bid.
>
> So, being on the outside, looking in with interest, the question is ....
> are the obstacles worth it?  Metal tape has all but disappeared, Type II
> seems to be the best that you can hope to do now adays.  The cost of
> entry to the club seemed like a no brainer at 500 dollars.  At 2000, I
> have to ask myself if the investment will last long enough to pay off in
> listening enjoyment.  I could own a work of art, but a work of art that
> no longer works is just a trophy of times gone by.
>
> I read with interest the July long thread on 1000 ZXL and the personal
> challenges of getting one running.  Admittedly, the ZXL seems to be an
> especially complicated beast, but I have to wonder if the Dragons are 4
> years away from this same horror story.
>
> I'd like to join the club, but what can I expect for longevity if I
> start now, and what is the cost of admission?
>
> Thanks for allowing me to bend your ear, and thanks in advance for your
> shared wisdom.
>
> Craig Leckband
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From sharpei at verizon.net  Fri Sep 10 16:11:51 2004
From: sharpei at verizon.net (Mark & Michelle Barrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:11:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Another Newbie Nakker
In-Reply-To: <200409101000.i8AA0a6f007294@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200409101000.i8AA0a6f007294@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <4141B627.7020309@verizon.net>

Craig,

I've been fascinated with tape machines for the last 24 years or so 
since I first saw my stepfather's Akai GX-225D reel-reel. I've had many 
cassette decks over the years and currently have 4 Naks. Here are my 
experiences to maybe help you make your decision. Its a bit long, so, 
feel free to skip to the end for some recommendations:
1. Nakamichi CR-2A: bought this off of ebay 3 years ago for $76. It came 
from an estate sell. This was my first Nak and it was in absolutely 
pristine condition. Despite its single capstan drive its sound quality 
just exceeded my Harman Kardon CD-291. I aligned the deck myself and 
eventually sold it.

2. I then bought a ZX-7 from ESLabs in June 2001. I paid $1000 for it. 
This deck looks, performs, and even smells new. Steep price, but, well 
worth it. My only problem with the deck is that I had it setup for 
Maxell XLII and MX-S tapes. It performs excellent with those, but, 
doesn't do well at all with other tapes because the EQ was tweaked for 
the Maxell tapes. I've recently been able to get around the problem by 
using a signal generator to put 10kHz signals onto the non-Maxell tapes 
at -6dB (for high bias) or 0dB (for metals), measuring the dropoff; then 
adjusting the bias during calibration to get a flat response and 
recording those values for future reference. Bottom line, if you buy 
from Stephen Sank or ESL; pick a tape to use that you'll stick with and 
have them set the deck up for it.

3. I then bought a 682ZX from a collector off eBay. This machine was 
also in pristine condition and all it needed was an alignment. I managed 
to find a service manual for it - and after aligning it; its my best, 
most non-finickey recorder. It likes just about any tape I put into it !

4. Last year, I bought a CR-7A that had been sitting for a few years in 
St. Louis. I replaced the idler and aligned the deck and it, too, is a 
wonderful machine. Because of the PB azimuth adjust; its my main 
playback deck.

5. A few months ago, I bought an LX-3 for my exercise room. It needed 
some work, but, after changing the belts, adjusting the cam, and 
aligning it; it plays back extremely well.

So, that's my story. Here are my recommendations:
1. Most all of my music  I **had** on CD's. I then started buying the 
same albums on vinyl and found I much prefer the sound of the vinyl. To 
me, CD's are harsh and lack the depth & warmth of vinyl. Now, the Naks 
are absolutely brilliant at putting the vinyl sound - or any sound - 
onto tape. I basically have gotten rid of all my CD's and now pretty 
much just buy the vinyl and put all of it onto tape.
2. You can get good decks on eBay - you can also get some that need 
work. Read the ad and read between the lines. Once you buy the deck, I 
highly recommend having it aligned. Since I have 4 Naks; I purchased 
several alignment tapes and the equipment to do my own alignments. Just 
get it aligned because it will A) allow the deck to achieve peak 
performance and B) it'll make tape trading with some of the enthusiasts 
here a little better. Last I heard, most people were charging around 
$125 for an alignment.
3.  For a minimal investment and an excellent quality machine, I'd look 
for either an LX-5 or CR-3A. These are both 3 head machines and -once 
aligned - will provide great recording quality. You can pick one up on 
eBay for $100 to $150. If you have it sent to ESL for an alignment, you 
might inquire about having a PB azimuth adjust mod put into it.

Sorry for the book,

Mark





From bwana747 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 10 16:58:48 2004
From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:58:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette copyright
Message-ID: <BAY16-F29wAoJVVmd2m0008edb7@hotmail.com>

It is possible that Philips may have taken no licensing fee to use the 
technology to propagate it widely and instead may have used their trademark 
rights for "Compact Cassette" as their means of protecting their standard.

Rights information on US patents and trademarks can be found at 
www.uspto.gov

While a patent has a duration of twenty years a trademark can be renewed 
numerous times. I haven't found out just yet how long a trademark can be 
maintained. It may be renewable as long as the owner/holder wishes to do so. 
That would give Philips some control over their standard long after the 
patent expired by controlling use of the "Compact Cassette" logo. My guess 
is that Philips maintains that trademark to this day.

The patent for audio CD format and decoding may have expired by now but the

compact
DISC

logo and trademark are still in force. Coca-cola may serve as a useful 
analogy. The beverage was formulated over a century ago and is known 
worldwide. Any company that wishes to make a cola beverage probably can do 
so but the instant they decide they want to call their product a "Coke"  
they had best expect a fire and brimstone reaction from the Coca-Cola 
corporation.

Here's a paragraph on patent info from the US Patent Office at the link 
given above in paragraph two.


"A patent for an invention is the grant of a property right to the inventor, 
issued by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. Generally, the term 
of a new patent is 20 years from the date on which the application for the 
patent was filed in the United States or, in special cases, from the date an 
earlier related application was filed, subject to the payment of maintenance 
fees. U.S. patent grants are effective only within the United States, U.S. 
territories, and U.S. possessions. Under certain circumstances, patent term 
extensions or adjustments may be available"


I'm not sure what the "certain circumstances" for patent term "extensions" 
mentioned would be.

Regards,

Bob

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From erie at shelbyvilledesign.com  Fri Sep 10 19:28:41 2004
From: erie at shelbyvilledesign.com (erie)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:28:41 -0500
Subject: OFF TOPIC - Re: [naktalk] Kannan
In-Reply-To: <01b901c495fb$1421dcf0$fdb30642@john1patlmckrl>
References: <000001c495f8$94a84420$03894c51@oemcomputer>
	<01b901c495fb$1421dcf0$fdb30642@john1patlmckrl>
Message-ID: <4141E449.6000902@shelbyvilledesign.com>

John, I've had a few Apt preamps with the Apt amps, they are sweet and 
(for those of us who are financially challenged) affordable....
btw, since your in the UK, are there any mods for Ariston tables around 
anymore, I've a '11 superior I'd love to tweak...

erie


John M. Tooley wrote:

> Forget the new car Gra', time to buy that new Dell with Windows XP Pro.
>  
> I just sent my Apt pre-amp to Stephen for a refurb. job. Saying that, 
> you surely have never heard of Apt, correct?
>  
> John T. (limey John)




From jerryjg at webtv.net  Sat Sep 11 01:22:12 2004
From: jerryjg at webtv.net (Gerald G.)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:22:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Isolation of Nak
Message-ID: <10794-41423724-3811@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>

Very worthless dog servant dares to come into tech room and be insolent
enough to presume to be worthy to ask queston of Venerable Nak Masters;
To what degree can i expect a  improvement in a Nak deck by placing it
on Tiptoes or an turntable isolation platform?I'm not sure my miserable
system right now could show the difference..

thank you very much,
gerald



From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Sep 11 06:13:32 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:13:32 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Isolation of Nak
References: <10794-41423724-3811@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001101c497b5$b42cdbd0$0e773242@CopyTech>

Ahh, I wouldn't loose my time and money with it but it couldn't harm you
either, so, it is a matter of taste.

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Isolation of Nak


> Very worthless dog servant dares to come into tech room and be insolent
> enough to presume to be worthy to ask queston of Venerable Nak Masters;
> To what degree can i expect a  improvement in a Nak deck by placing it
> on Tiptoes or an turntable isolation platform?I'm not sure my miserable
> system right now could show the difference..
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
>
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From flifton at mac.com  Sat Sep 11 02:29:03 2004
From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:29:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] re: Another Newbie Nakker
In-Reply-To: <200409101000.i8AA0E6f007286@zebra.naks.com>
References: <200409101000.i8AA0E6f007286@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <958DECF8-0389-11D9-B990-000D93C246E2@mac.com>

Welcome Craig,
I'm no technician like some of the amazing people on this list, but 
I've been a music lover since I soldered my first heathkit in 1974. I 
think you're exaggerating the obstacles. You can get a fine Nak like an 
LX3, a 480 or a CR3a for a few hundred bucks and there are still 
skilled techs like Stephen Sank who can bring them back to their 
original gleam. Sure these decks are no Dragon or 1000zxl, but they are 
still fabulous, great sounding machines. Yes, mechanical objects have a 
limited life, but that life can be extended immensely with maintenance 
and a good mechanic. And unlike a lot of the disposable electronics 
sold now, you can actually work on a Nak.

So, my two cents is: jump right in. You can have a lovely set up for 
$500-600. It will last longer than you do and make beautiful music the 
whole time.
cheers,
Fred


On Sep 10, 2004, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

> From: Craig Leckband <craig at leckband.com>
> Date: September 9, 2004 10:54:12 PM PDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Another Newbie Nakker
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have recently joined this venerable forum to try and learn something 
> about the care and feeding of a fine piece of equipment like a Nak.  I 
> have vicariously learned a lot in my brief time with the group.  I 
> read through all of July and August naktalk archives.  As I get more 
> time, I will read further back.
>
> I have been a long time admirer of the craftsmanship found in a 
> classic Nak tape deck.  I assembled the pieces of my first audio 
> system from second hand parts in the late 70s.  I couldn't afford a 
> Nak at the time.  Life happened inbetween, and I never seemed to have 
> a good enough reason to invest in a Nak.
> <snip>
>
> So, being on the outside, looking in with interest, the question is 
> .... are the obstacles worth it?  Metal tape has all but disappeared, 
> Type II seems to be the best that you can hope to do now adays.  The 
> cost of entry to the club seemed like a no brainer at 500 dollars.  At 
> 2000, I have to ask myself if the investment will last long enough to 
> pay off in listening enjoyment.  I could own a work of art, but a work 
> of art that no longer works is just a trophy of times gone by.
>
> I read with interest the July long thread on 1000 ZXL and the personal 
> challenges of getting one running.  Admittedly, the ZXL seems to be an 
> especially complicated beast, but I have to wonder if the Dragons are 
> 4 years away from this same horror story.
>
> I'd like to join the club, but what can I expect for longevity if I 
> start now, and what is the cost of admission?
> Thanks for allowing me to bend your ear, and thanks in advance for 
> your shared wisdom.
>
> Craig Leckband
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Sep 11 02:41:28 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:41:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Isolation of Nak
In-Reply-To: <10794-41423724-3811@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <000601c49798$1316c8e0$16c34c51@oemcomputer>

It's about Faith, brother!   Put the cassette deck on tip toes, be they
metal or wooden cones, Sorbothane feet or something exotic and expensive
from Russ Andrews and BELIEVE you will hear a difference and you SHALL hear
a difference!   Amen!

Rev. Graham (not Billy but definitely Billy No Mates)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gerald G.
> Sent: 11 September 2004 00:22
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Isolation of Nak
>
>
> Very worthless dog servant dares to come into tech room and be insolent
> enough to presume to be worthy to ask queston of Venerable Nak Masters;
> To what degree can i expect a  improvement in a Nak deck by placing it
> on Tiptoes or an turntable isolation platform?I'm not sure my miserable
> system right now could show the difference..
>
> thank you very much,
> gerald
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 11 06:45:19 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 06:45:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Isolation of Nak
References: <10794-41423724-3811@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net>
	<001101c497b5$b42cdbd0$0e773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV118498xPOm000152d1@hotmail.com>

Hi...!

I stack first my Philips CD 850 Mk-2 on a "Base" platform, on it; on the top 
of the Cd, the Dragon, on it my vintage McIntosh MR-78 tuner inside his 
originally wood cabinet, and the last (From the bottom to the top), my 
ARC-SP-9 Mk-2 control unit. Works better that with out such UK made 
expensive platform! Sorry folks I try first NOT to acquire the "Base" 
platform....however was imperative!!!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "El Magnifico" <copytec at coqui.net>
To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Isolation of Nak


> Ahh, I wouldn't loose my time and money with it but it couldn't harm you
> either, so, it is a matter of taste.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gerald G." <jerryjg at webtv.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:22 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Isolation of Nak
>
>
>> Very worthless dog servant dares to come into tech room and be insolent
>> enough to presume to be worthy to ask queston of Venerable Nak Masters;
>> To what degree can i expect a  improvement in a Nak deck by placing it
>> on Tiptoes or an turntable isolation platform?I'm not sure my miserable
>> system right now could show the difference..
>>
>> thank you very much,
>> gerald
>>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sat Sep 11 21:19:39 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:19:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] re: Another Newbie Nakker: Have no fear Craig!
Message-ID: <s1436bf9.050@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Craig

Welcome to the Nak fraternity.  Fred is 100% correct - tremendous joys will be gained from getting a well taken-care-of machine other than the highly complex decks such as the ZXLs and (as Stephen Sank would say) "the Ancients".  Talking of ancients - I have a 480Z which would be 22 years old.  This is an awesome machine and although I run all my Naks sparingly, its is in perfect shape with a very durable double-capstan transport.  My 682ZX performs as faultlessly as it did when it was taken out of the box by its previous owner 21 years ago.  That's a powerhouse machine - as Mark Nutter from Sonic Sense says, the epitome of Nakamichi.  My Cassette Deck One, often derided for it's un-Nak styling, might be 10 years younger but is uncompromisingly idiosycratic as ever - with manual everything - and sings with the tongues of angels.

On the availibility of tapes - its true that metals are tricky to find, but by no means impossible.  Like us, you'll get creative and resourceful and track them down in the end.  If you'd like I can give you some e-commerce sites to start with.  Sure, the shops don't stock the range they used to but good type IIs are available too - Maxell XLII, Maxell XL-IIS, Sony UX, UX-S and UX Turbo, TDK SA and SA-X quite easily, if you're lucky some of the better BASFs too: Fujis continue to pop up and Denon now and then.

Good luck on your forthcoming relationship (with a cassette deck of great breeding!!)

Cheers,

Marc




>>> flifton at mac.com 09/11/04 02:29AM >>>
Welcome Craig,
I'm no technician like some of the amazing people on this list, but 
I've been a music lover since I soldered my first heathkit in 1974. I 
think you're exaggerating the obstacles. You can get a fine Nak like an 
LX3, a 480 or a CR3a for a few hundred bucks and there are still 
skilled techs like Stephen Sank who can bring them back to their 
original gleam. Sure these decks are no Dragon or 1000zxl, but they are 
still fabulous, great sounding machines. Yes, mechanical objects have a 
limited life, but that life can be extended immensely with maintenance 
and a good mechanic. And unlike a lot of the disposable electronics 
sold now, you can actually work on a Nak.

So, my two cents is: jump right in. You can have a lovely set up for 
$500-600. It will last longer than you do and make beautiful music the 
whole time.
cheers,
Fred


On Sep 10, 2004, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:

> From: Craig Leckband <craig at leckband.com>
> Date: September 9, 2004 10:54:12 PM PDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com 
> Subject: [naktalk] Another Newbie Nakker
> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have recently joined this venerable forum to try and learn something 
> about the care and feeding of a fine piece of equipment like a Nak.  I 
> have vicariously learned a lot in my brief time with the group.  I 
> read through all of July and August naktalk archives.  As I get more 
> time, I will read further back.
>
> I have been a long time admirer of the craftsmanship found in a 
> classic Nak tape deck.  I assembled the pieces of my first audio 
> system from second hand parts in the late 70s.  I couldn't afford a 
> Nak at the time.  Life happened inbetween, and I never seemed to have 
> a good enough reason to invest in a Nak.
> <snip>
>
> So, being on the outside, looking in with interest, the question is 
> .... are the obstacles worth it?  Metal tape has all but disappeared, 
> Type II seems to be the best that you can hope to do now adays.  The 
> cost of entry to the club seemed like a no brainer at 500 dollars.  At 
> 2000, I have to ask myself if the investment will last long enough to 
> pay off in listening enjoyment.  I could own a work of art, but a work 
> of art that no longer works is just a trophy of times gone by.
>
> I read with interest the July long thread on 1000 ZXL and the personal 
> challenges of getting one running.  Admittedly, the ZXL seems to be an 
> especially complicated beast, but I have to wonder if the Dragons are 
> 4 years away from this same horror story.
>
> I'd like to join the club, but what can I expect for longevity if I 
> start now, and what is the cost of admission?
> Thanks for allowing me to bend your ear, and thanks in advance for 
> your shared wisdom.
>
> Craig Leckband
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Sep 13 09:32:17 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:32:17 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Splicing cassette tapes
In-Reply-To: <000601c49798$1316c8e0$16c34c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000001c49963$cbf10980$20de4c51@oemcomputer>

Guys

What kind of sticky tape do you use for splicing and, if it's specialist,
from where?

Gra'

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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Sun Sep 12 17:24:18 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:24:18 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] re: Another Newbie Nakker: Have no fear Craig!
Message-ID: <091220041524.10938.41446A21000E445600002ABA2200734830010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

Check out the samgoody.com site for TDK MA & SA tapes.  
Paul

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Hi Craig 
> 
> Welcome to the Nak fraternity. Fred is 100% correct - tremendous joys will be 
> gained from getting a well taken-care-of machine other than the highly complex 
> decks such as the ZXLs and (as Stephen Sank would say) "the Ancients". Talking 
> of ancients - I have a 480Z which would be 22 years old. This is an awesome 
> machine and although I run all my Naks sparingly, its is in perfect shape with a 
> very durable double-capstan transport. My 682ZX performs as faultlessly as it 
> did when it was taken out of the box by its previous owner 21 years ago. That's 
> a powerhouse machine - as Mark Nutter from Sonic Sense says, the epitome of 
> Nakamichi. My Cassette Deck One, often derided for it's un-Nak styling, might 
> be 10 years younger but is uncompromisingly idiosycratic as ever - with manual 
> everything - and sings with the tongues of angels. 
> 
> On the availibility of tapes - its true that metals are tricky to find, but by 
> no means impossible. Like us, you'll get creative and resourceful and track 
> them down in the end. If you'd like I can give you some e-commerce sites to 
> start with. Sure, the shops don't stock the range they used to but good type 
> IIs are available too - Maxell XLII, Maxell XL-IIS, Sony UX, UX-S and UX Turbo, 
> TDK SA and SA-X quite easily, if you're lucky some of the better BASFs too: 
> Fujis continue to pop up and Denon now and then. 
> 
> Good luck on your forthcoming relationship (with a cassette deck of great 
> breeding!!) 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Marc 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>> flifton at mac.com 09/11/04 02:29AM >>> 
> Welcome Craig, 
> I'm no technician like some of the amazing people on this list, but 
> I've been a music lover since I soldered my first heathkit in 1974. I 
> think you're exaggerating the obstacles. You can get a fine Nak like an 
> LX3, a 480 or a CR3a for a few hundred bucks and there are still 
> skilled techs like Stephen Sank who can bring them back to their 
> original gleam. Sure these decks are no Dragon or 1000zxl, but they are 
> still fabulous, great sounding machines. Yes, mechanical objects have a 
> limited life, but that life can be extended immensely with maintenance 
> and a good mechanic. And unlike a lot of the disposable electronics 
> sold now, you can actually work on a Nak. 
> 
> So, my two cents is: jump right in. You can have a lovely set up for 
> $500-600. It will last longer than you do and make beautiful music the 
> whole time. 
> cheers, 
> Fred 
> 
> 
> On Sep 10, 2004, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: 
> 
> > From: Craig Leckband 
> > Date: September 9, 2004 10:54:12 PM PDT 
> > To: naktalk at naks.com 
> > Subject: [naktalk] Another Newbie Nakker 
> > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> > I have recently joined this venerable forum to try and learn something 
> > about the care and feeding of a fine piece of equipment like a Nak. I 
> > have vicariously learned a lot in my brief time with the group. I 
> > read through all of July and August naktalk archives. As I get more 
> > time, I will read further back. 
> > 
> > I have been a long time admirer of the craftsmanship found in a 
> > classic Nak tape deck. I assembled the pieces of my first audio 
> > system from second hand parts in the late 70s. I couldn't afford a 
> > Nak at the time. Life happened inbetween, and I never seemed to have 
> > a good enough reason to invest in a Nak. 
> > 
> > 
> > So, being on the outside, looking in with interest, the question is 
> > .... are the obstacles worth it? Metal tape has all but disappeared, 
> > Type II seems to be the best that you can hope to do now adays. The 
> > cost of entry to the club seemed like a no brainer at 500 dollars. At 
> > 2000, I have to ask myself if the investment will last long enough to 
> > pay off in listening enjoyment. I could own a work of art, but a work 
> > of art that no longer works is just a trophy of times gone by. 
> > 
> > I read with interest the July long thread on 1000 ZXL and the personal 
> > challenges of getting one running. Admittedly, the ZXL seems to be an 
> > especially complicated beast, but I have to wonder if the Dragons are 
> > 4 years away from this same horror story. 
> > 
> > I'd like to join the club, but what can I expect for longevity if I 
> > start now, and what is the cost of admission? 
> > Thanks for allowing me to bend your ear, and thanks in advance for 
> > your shared wisdom. 
> > 
> > Craig Leckband 
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From lpfreak at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 13 03:25:11 2004
From: lpfreak at sbcglobal.net (Derek Reese)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:25:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Auto Calibration
Message-ID: <C1BF4C52-0523-11D9-AFDE-0030654C9FE8@sbcglobal.net>

Hi, All.

All of the sudden, the Auto Calibration feature on my CR-7 does not 
work.  I am using 100 minute Metal tapes.  Does anyone know if there is 
a quick fix for this problem?

Thanks,

Derek



From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz  Mon Sep 13 10:49:59 2004
From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:49:59 +1200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Auto Calibration
In-Reply-To: <C1BF4C52-0523-11D9-AFDE-0030654C9FE8@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C1BF4C52-0523-11D9-AFDE-0030654C9FE8@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040913204709.01b04ec0@pop3.paradise.net.nz>

Hi Derek
My CR7 is the same. Does it do the first step (recording the tone) and then 
all three lights flash?
That's what mine does. It's due to the azimuth adjustment only working 
every so often....so one day (soon I hope) it will go to Stephen Sank for 
fixing.

Brett

At 01:25 p.m. 13/09/2004, you wrote:
>Hi, All.
>
>All of the sudden, the Auto Calibration feature on my CR-7 does not 
>work.  I am using 100 minute Metal tapes.  Does anyone know if there is a 
>quick fix for this problem?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Derek
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From sinuhe at r-grieco.net  Mon Sep 13 11:02:05 2004
From: sinuhe at r-grieco.net (Raffaele Grieco)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:02:05 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Splicing cassette tapes
References: <000001c49963$cbf10980$20de4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003501c49970$79332b80$79adcbd5@rg>

Nelson wrote:
> Guys
>
> What kind of sticky tape do you use for splicing and, if it's
specialist,
> from where?

There is (was) a specialized kit from BASF in mid-70s, called "Hobby
Box", containing the following in a cassette-size box:
- blank leader tape
- adhesive tape
- tweezers
- precision knife
- single-slot and cross-head screwdrivers with winged shaft to wind hubs
- spare springs, pressure pads, screws

the box itself is made in such a way to be used as a working base to
hold the cassette, and to use it as operating table to make the splice.
You can find it on eBay for a few bucks (most times from German
sellers); I have got one for cassettes and one for reels in absolutely
mint conditions-like new.
Highly recommended. If you like, I can send you some photos.

Regards,

Raffaele





From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Sep 13 10:59:34 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:59:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Splicing cassette tapes
Message-ID: <s1457da7.029@mroute.sunint.co.za>

I use "invisible" tape from Scotch - but there is probably better.

Cheers,

Marc

>>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 09/13/04 09:32AM >>>
Guys

What kind of sticky tape do you use for splicing and, if it's specialist,
from where?

Gra'

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Sep 13 17:12:41 2004
From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:12:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Splicing cassette tapes
References: <000001c49963$cbf10980$20de4c51@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003201c499a4$1e22cd20$39773242@CopyTech>

Cassette splicing tape is available from any Professional Media supplier. In
US, National Recording Supplies. Problem is that they wouldn't sell you just
a roll. It comes in 20 rolls box.  Markertek sell, or perhaps use to, a
cassette editing station that I still have. Useful, but not cheap; around
$40.00.

Carlos

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Subject: [naktalk] Splicing cassette tapes


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>
> What kind of sticky tape do you use for splicing and, if it's specialist,
> from where?
>
> Gra'
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From luis at peromarta.org  Mon Sep 13 18:01:07 2004
From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:01:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300
Message-ID: <4145C443.5010402@peromarta.org>

Hi guys,

Just a quick one. I am after a BX300 recently found on ebay, and would 
like to have some info on it. naks.com appears to be down at the moment, 
so any hint on the machine appreciated.

Bid ends 21h cet, 15h est.

Thanks, LP.

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Sep 14 09:20:11 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:20:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Jean-Pierre - 700ZXL
In-Reply-To: <12a.46143396.2e25c4e7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49a2b$45fb8800$29a54e51@oemcomputer>

Jean-Pierre,

Have you got your ZXL back from Stephen yet?  How's it sound?

Gra'
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  Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Stephen Sank


  Thank you for all your replies.Managed to speak with Stephen Sank and he
informed me that he  has a 60 day waiting period for my 700ZXL
  Many regards,
  Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
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From TRANSPLATA at aol.com  Wed Sep 15 03:15:22 2004
From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:15:22 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Jean-Pierre - 700ZXL
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Hi Gra:
Thanks for asking but have not send it in yet but will do shortly.
regards,
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From 3ld at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep 15 20:53:38 2004
From: 3ld at bellsouth.net (Michael Moore)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:53:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [audiotalk] Marathon II: 14th track
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From bobobozo at netzero.com  Sat Sep 18 10:07:43 2004
From: bobobozo at netzero.com (bobobozo at netzero.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:07:43 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20040918.010832.8178.879474@webmail04.lax.untd.com>


What are the basic differences between a Nak 700 and a 700II?
thanks



bob charlanza
610.775.9354 wknds
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sun Sep 19 05:55:42 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:55:42 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Auto Calibration
Message-ID: <20040919035540.CUIK15440.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Derek, 

This problem is so odd because I just went through it myself.  Without the boring details, I had to handle the mechanism and accidently through the nylon stop out of adjustment and wound up with EXACTLY the same problem as yours.  The problem is that the little motor and slide that pivots that record head runs out of adjustment so it aborts and the three lights start blinking all at once.  This is what I did to get it back together so it would auto calibration.

Pull the door cover off and you will see four little nylon wheels.   The one furthest to the right is the azimuth setting.  Take note of the position of the little adjustment wheel before doing this procedure.  Turn the wheel approximately 1/8 of a turn clockwise.  Do auto-cal.  If it fails again, turn it 1/8 more.  Repeat until auto-cal works.    If you have to go more than 1/2 turn in total, then you probably have a greater problem.  By turning the adjustment clockwise, it reduces the amount of pivot travel needed to set the azimuth.

Of course, I'm assuming that you've cleaned and demagnetized the heads first.

Hope this helps!

 

rom: Derek Reese <lpfreak at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: 2004/09/12 Sun PM 09:25:11 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Auto Calibration
> 
> Hi, All.
> 
> All of the sudden, the Auto Calibration feature on my CR-7 does not 
> work.  I am using 100 minute Metal tapes.  Does anyone know if there is 
> a quick fix for this problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Derek
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From dxlx at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 20 05:31:55 2004
From: dxlx at earthlink.net (dave l)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:31:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
Message-ID: <000501c49ec2$61e41c80$8f7efea9@optiplex>

what are some reputable repair/restoration shops for naks?  regards dl


From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Mon Sep 20 16:04:45 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:04:45 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning
Message-ID: <000a01c49f1a$d1eaab40$831d0cd0@r7g1f8>

Does anyone have any secret cleaning solutions/techniques ?

I recently obtained a Nak 505 from a friend.  It is very dirty.  I have been using the old mild soap and water on a cotton swab to clean around the face plate and knobs etc.   Does anyone have any other suggestions??

Randall in Seattle
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From pokemonoman at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 21 07:03:27 2004
From: pokemonoman at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Conolly)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:03:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
Message-ID: <414FB61F.9020308@earthlink.net>

HEY FOLKS, I OWN A NEAR MINT NAK 670ZX THAT I GOT CHEAP, ETC...
IT IS REALLY, REALLY NICE, CONDITION, ETC...

WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENED NAKAMICHI REMOTES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE FOR USE 
WITH MY 670 ZX/.

I LOOKED AT THE NAK SITE BUT ALL I SAWWAS THIS WEIRDO TERM BEING USED:

"PRESENT"  
YEAH? PRESENT WHAT?  PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR? WHAT?

CAN I USE A NAK RM-100 UNIT WITH MY 670 ZX???

CAN I USE OTHER MANUFACTUERS INFARED REMOTES LIKE THE AIWA?

HOW ABOUT THE OTHER INFARED REMOTES???
THANX IN ADVANCE,

PMJ

P.S. I OWN TONS OF OTHER NAKAMICHI PRODUCTS AND CASSETE DECKS AS WELL. 
BUT I'M IN LOVE WITH THE GEORGEOUS SOUND OF MY 670ZX....







From sendigitall at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 14:12:48 2004
From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:12:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] hi all iam a new guy...!!
Message-ID: <20040921121248.7714.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>

i have been a passive listner here for more than six months .....i waited to join the talk till i get a nak ...cause i never have seen or listen to one till now ....but i have read more about the parises and popularity of them amoung audiophiles and analogue music lovers.
After a long time ...i some how bought a nak ..a  very modest one ....i think its enough for a novice like me ,its a cassette deck 1.5 from the 1990es. 
                                  i have a smalltime audio setup ..which is ..sony PS-X70 turntable ,a yamaha A-500 int amp,larger ADVENT speakers and the cassette deck 1.5 ..and a collection of some 2000 records.iam still searching for another tape deck to use it as a record deck.
                                  I have learnt a lot from naktalk and its obvious that there are many technically sound audiophiles here ...well ..iam not that technical to go in depth with orange caps or mylar caps ....but still i can quiet understand the conversations here .i dont think i would be able to contribute any thing very useful to this technically strong forum ...cause i still have a long way to go in this area ..anyway iam very happy that there are still people who love analogue sound and make the cassette live longer ..
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From lynnzzz at comcast.net  Tue Sep 21 16:26:17 2004
From: lynnzzz at comcast.net (Mark Lynn)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:26:17 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?
Message-ID: <014201c49fe6$f5a0b120$04e61e18@VALUEDB8142DE8>

it's in mint condition and was owned by what had to have been the most anal person in the world.it's calibrated and pretty much in the best shape it could be in.it even has the box that contained the papers and calibration tapes.even that appears to be mint.
 i'll be using it for playback only.he wants 150 and just lives right down the street so i've seen the unit and the guy selling it is a good friend.please reply off list if you have any thoughts.thanks

mark L.
lynnzzz at comcast.net
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Sep 21 20:30:26 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:30:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A broken wire
Message-ID: <20040921183024.WOFG7555.lakermmtao06.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Okay, in my fiddling to find out why the idler motor doesn't start, I wound up breaking a wire and I cannot see where it went.

There is a circuit card on the back of the idler assembly held on by three screws.  Viewed from the front of the deck, the top left corner of that circuit card has two black wires.  One goes to a circuit card underneath the three tape detect switches.  I do not know where the other black wire goes but it was bent in the shape and appears to go to these switches.  If anyone with a CR-7A who happens to have their cover off, could you please tell me where this black wire goes?

Also, it appears that the idler motor stops when a tape is played because the slide assembly goes too high and causes and increased load on the pinch rollers.  I can replicate this by manually pushing up the slide without a tape in place.  Is there a mechanical adjustment for this or is the slide suppose to hit the pin stop at the top?


Thanks, I'm going nuts here.  Every time I clean this unit or lubricate it, something different happens.  Very, very sensitive.

Roland



From ian.weitzel at btconnect.com  Tue Sep 21 23:24:01 2004
From: ian.weitzel at btconnect.com (Ian Weitzel)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:24:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?
Message-ID: <002a01c4a021$52f57740$ba348651@fujitsusiemens>

I have owned naks for around twenty five years, being at one time in possession of a 600 that, to my ears at least, sounded flawless. Unfortunately it was stolen from my house and I never found a replacement. I currently own a CR2E, I guess about fifteeen years old. It was owned from new by a friend who went bankrupt shortly after buying it, put it into storage in 1991 and didn't take it out until 2003, when he immediately sold it to me. (I paid £150 sterling - too much I now think). So the machine has had practically no usage since new. Knowing that letting cassette players lie unused is about the worst thing you can do to them, I had it serviced at B & W, the UK Nak agents, drive belts and a motor replaced, brought up to spec etc - cost another £150. 

I also have a BX-150E (I think the E sufffix means European spec?) I bought for £100 off a friend who runs a hi-fi business, had taken it in part exchange and was happy for me to take it at his cost. I don't know the provenance of this one, it sounds fine and an engineer has checked it over and it is in working order. 

My dilemma is this. I really can't justify having two tape decks - I record very little these days, mostly for use in the car. I've got a Pioneer CD recorder which I confess tends to get the job when I want to record concerts etc off the radio. My amp hasn't got two tape inputs so I can only hook one up at a time. So I feel I ought to let one go. I confess I don't really know which is the "better" of the two - was the CR2 a superior machine to the BX150 or vice versa.? I would prefer to keep the better player. Which one would you sell? Any idea what they're worth?

Thanks for any input.
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From marcdenis at iquebec.com  Wed Sep 22 23:07:26 2004
From: marcdenis at iquebec.com (Marc Denis)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:07:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4a021$52f57740$ba348651@fujitsusiemens>
References: <002a01c4a021$52f57740$ba348651@fujitsusiemens>
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At 17:24 09/21/2004, you wrote:
>I have owned naks for around twenty five years, being at one time in 
>possession of a 600 that, to my ears at least, sounded flawless. 
>Unfortunately it was stolen from my house and I never found a replacement. 
>I currently own a CR2E, I guess about fifteeen years old. It was owned 
>from new by a friend who went bankrupt shortly after buying it, put it 
>into storage in 1991 and didn't take it out until 2003, when he 
>immediately sold it to me. (I paid £150 sterling - too much I now think). 
>So the machine has had practically no usage since new. Knowing that 
>letting cassette players lie unused is about the worst thing you can do to 
>them, I had it serviced at B & W, the UK Nak agents, drive belts and a 
>motor replaced, brought up to spec etc - cost another £150.
>
>I also have a BX-150E (I think the E sufffix means European spec?) I 
>bought for £100 off a friend who runs a hi-fi business, had taken it in 
>part exchange and was happy for me to take it at his cost. I don't know 
>the provenance of this one, it sounds fine and an engineer has checked it 
>over and it is in working order.
>
>My dilemma is this. I really can't justify having two tape decks - I 
>record very little these days, mostly for use in the car. I've got a 
>Pioneer CD recorder which I confess tends to get the job when I want to 
>record concerts etc off the radio. My amp hasn't got two tape inputs so I 
>can only hook one up at a time. So I feel I ought to let one go. I confess 
>I don't really know which is the "better" of the two - was the CR2 a 
>superior machine to the BX150 or vice versa.? I would prefer to keep the 
>better player. Which one would you sell? Any idea what they're worth?
>
>Thanks for any input.


Both machines are very similar. CR-2 replaced BX-150 in the line up. CR-2 
may require less maintenance because it came with gear drive from the 
factory. E suffix is for Europe.





From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Sep 23 01:13:24 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:13:24 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape ver 2
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6B8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Howdy all. Can anyone tell me what the status is of the nak marathon tape
ver 2?

	Regards

Tom Siomopoulos


From ti at amb.org  Thu Sep 23 01:32:47 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:32:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape ver 2
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6B8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
	from "Thomas Siomopoulos" at Sep 23, 2004 09:13:24 AM
Message-ID: <20040922233247.296DAD4A6@smtp.amb.org>

Thomas Siomopoulos writes:
> Howdy all. Can anyone tell me what the status is of the nak marathon tape
> ver 2?

I believe Carlos has sent out all the CDs...

-Ti



From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Sep 23 10:31:42 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:31:42 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] hi all iam a new guy...!!
Message-ID: <s152a943.027@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Welcome to Naktalk Sentil,

Very good to know that there are pure analogue fans out there.  Your equipment sounds very sensible and user-friendly.  I don't know the turntable model you have there - what I can say is that turntables have improved quite a lot in recent years and, like me,  you might be quite surprised at the tremendous leap they have made in performance since the era of affordable DD decks from Japan.  Decks like the new Roksan Radius 5 will turn your drastic plastic into an amazing experience.  My jaw still hurts from when it hit the ground a month ago listening to one of those.

I like the Nakamichi Cassette Deck series and your three-head 1.5 is a fine unit which received a very good review in Stereo Review in 1991 or so.  

What music do you listen to and what tapes are you recording on to?

Welcome again!!

Marc

>>> sendigitall at yahoo.com 09/21/04 02:12PM >>>
i have been a passive listner here for more than six months .....i waited to join the talk till i get a nak ...cause i never have seen or listen to one till now ....but i have read more about the parises and popularity of them amoung audiophiles and analogue music lovers.
After a long time ...i some how bought a nak ..a  very modest one ....i think its enough for a novice like me ,its a cassette deck 1.5 from the 1990es. 
                                  i have a smalltime audio setup ..which is ..sony PS-X70 turntable ,a yamaha A-500 int amp,larger ADVENT speakers and the cassette deck 1.5 ..and a collection of some 2000 records.iam still searching for another tape deck to use it as a record deck.
                                  I have learnt a lot from naktalk and its obvious that there are many technically sound audiophiles here ...well ..iam not that technical to go in depth with orange caps or mylar caps ....but still i can quiet understand the conversations here .i dont think i would be able to contribute any thing very useful to this technically strong forum ...cause i still have a long way to go in this area ..anyway iam very happy that there are still people who love analogue sound and make the cassette live longer ..
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Sep 23 12:26:08 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:26:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?
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Depending on condition I would go with the CR2 option on condition the BX-150 wasn't a silver-face, in which case I would keep that one.  Many BXs have had the gear-mod done.  You'll possibly find spares for CRs more easily than BXs.

I like blonde, I mean silver Naks - either the above or a perfect 482Z in silver would make my day.

Good luck,

Marc

>>> marcdenis at iquebec.com 09/22/04 11:07PM >>>
At 17:24 09/21/2004, you wrote:
>I have owned naks for around twenty five years, being at one time in 
>possession of a 600 that, to my ears at least, sounded flawless. 
>Unfortunately it was stolen from my house and I never found a replacement. 
>I currently own a CR2E, I guess about fifteeen years old. It was owned 
>from new by a friend who went bankrupt shortly after buying it, put it 
>into storage in 1991 and didn't take it out until 2003, when he 
>immediately sold it to me. (I paid £150 sterling - too much I now think). 
>So the machine has had practically no usage since new. Knowing that 
>letting cassette players lie unused is about the worst thing you can do to 
>them, I had it serviced at B & W, the UK Nak agents, drive belts and a 
>motor replaced, brought up to spec etc - cost another £150.
>
>I also have a BX-150E (I think the E sufffix means European spec?) I 
>bought for £100 off a friend who runs a hi-fi business, had taken it in 
>part exchange and was happy for me to take it at his cost. I don't know 
>the provenance of this one, it sounds fine and an engineer has checked it 
>over and it is in working order.
>
>My dilemma is this. I really can't justify having two tape decks - I 
>record very little these days, mostly for use in the car. I've got a 
>Pioneer CD recorder which I confess tends to get the job when I want to 
>record concerts etc off the radio. My amp hasn't got two tape inputs so I 
>can only hook one up at a time. So I feel I ought to let one go. I confess 
>I don't really know which is the "better" of the two - was the CR2 a 
>superior machine to the BX150 or vice versa.? I would prefer to keep the 
>better player. Which one would you sell? Any idea what they're worth?
>
>Thanks for any input.


Both machines are very similar. CR-2 replaced BX-150 in the line up. CR-2 
may require less maintenance because it came with gear drive from the 
factory. E suffix is for Europe.



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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Sep 22 22:01:50 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:01:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
Message-ID: <20040922200149.JGPI19406.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

eslabs.com  very expensive but I hear they are professional in their rebuilds.


> 
> From: "dave l" <dxlx at earthlink.net>
> Date: 2004/09/19 Sun PM 11:31:55 EDT
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
> 
> what are some reputable repair/restoration shops for naks?  regards dl
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Sep 22 22:05:38 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:05:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] hi all iam a new guy...!!
Message-ID: <20040922200539.IJZE11096.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Senthil, there certainly is a lot of talent and experience here.  I'm not one of them!  But, experiences such as yours with the 1.5 might be just the right info that someone else is looking to know.

Welcome!


> 
> From: senthil nathan <sendigitall at yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/09/21 Tue AM 08:12:48 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] hi all iam a new guy...!!
> 
> i have been a passive listner here for more than six months .....i waited to join the talk till i get a nak ...cause i never have seen or listen to one till now ....but i have read more about the parises and popularity of them amoung audiophiles and analogue music lovers.
> After a long time ...i some how bought a nak ..a  very modest one ....i think its enough for a novice like me ,its a cassette deck 1.5 from the 1990es. 
>                                   i have a smalltime audio setup ..which is ..sony PS-X70 turntable ,a yamaha A-500 int amp,larger ADVENT speakers and the cassette deck 1.5 ..and a collection of some 2000 records.iam still searching for another tape deck to use it as a record deck.
>                                   I have learnt a lot from naktalk and its obvious that there are many technically sound audiophiles here ...well ..iam not that technical to go in depth with orange caps or mylar caps ....but still i can quiet understand the conversations here .i dont think i would be able to contribute any thing very useful to this technically strong forum ...cause i still have a long way to go in this area ..anyway iam very happy that there are still people who love analogue sound and make the cassette live longer ..
> --regards
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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Wed Sep 22 22:29:03 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:29:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A broken wire
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Nevermind, I found out where the broken wire went.


> 
> From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
> Date: 2004/09/21 Tue PM 02:30:26 EDT
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A broken wire
> 
> Okay, in my fiddling to find out why the idler motor doesn't start, I wound up breaking a wire and I cannot see where it went.
> 
> There is a circuit card on the back of the idler assembly held on by three screws.  Viewed from the front of the deck, the top left corner of that circuit card has two black wires.  One goes to a circuit card underneath the three tape detect switches.  I do not know where the other black wire goes but it was bent in the shape and appears to go to these switches.  If anyone with a CR-7A who happens to have their cover off, could you please tell me where this black wire goes?
> 
> Also, it appears that the idler motor stops when a tape is played because the slide assembly goes too high and causes and increased load on the pinch rollers.  I can replicate this by manually pushing up the slide without a tape in place.  Is there a mechanical adjustment for this or is the slide suppose to hit the pin stop at the top?
> 
> 
> Thanks, I'm going nuts here.  Every time I clean this unit or lubricate it, something different happens.  Very, very sensitive.
> 
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From stan.targowski at comcast.net  Wed Sep 22 22:39:07 2004
From: stan.targowski at comcast.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:39:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4a021$52f57740$ba348651@fujitsusiemens>
Message-ID: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEGACEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>

CR2 and BX-150 are the same class machines. The CR2 is pretty much one
generation newer version of BX150.

They are both two head tape decks with three motor transports, Dolby B and
C, and manual bias control. One could argue, that the older models, the BX
(100,150,300) series, were better built than the CR (1,2,3). The BX was only
made in Japan, the CR was made in both Japan and Taiwan.

If it was my choice, I would keep whichever decks looks better and fits
better into your system. Per below, CR2 is virtually a brand new machine
after an overhaul. I have had one since 1989 and it still works perfectly.

Stan
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Ian Weitzel
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:24 PM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?


  I have owned naks for around twenty five years, being at one time in
possession of a 600 that, to my ears at least, sounded flawless.
Unfortunately it was stolen from my house and I never found a replacement. I
currently own a CR2E, I guess about fifteeen years old. It was owned from
new by a friend who went bankrupt shortly after buying it, put it into
storage in 1991 and didn't take it out until 2003, when he immediately sold
it to me. (I paid £150 sterling - too much I now think). So the machine has
had practically no usage since new. Knowing that letting cassette players
lie unused is about the worst thing you can do to them, I had it serviced at
B & W, the UK Nak agents, drive belts and a motor replaced, brought up to
spec etc - cost another £150.

  I also have a BX-150E (I think the E sufffix means European spec?) I
bought for £100 off a friend who runs a hi-fi business, had taken it in part
exchange and was happy for me to take it at his cost. I don't know the
provenance of this one, it sounds fine and an engineer has checked it over
and it is in working order.

  My dilemma is this. I really can't justify having two tape decks - I
record very little these days, mostly for use in the car. I've got a Pioneer
CD recorder which I confess tends to get the job when I want to record
concerts etc off the radio. My amp hasn't got two tape inputs so I can only
hook one up at a time. So I feel I ought to let one go. I confess I don't
really know which is the "better" of the two - was the CR2 a superior
machine to the BX150 or vice versa.? I would prefer to keep the better
player. Which one would you sell? Any idea what they're worth?

  Thanks for any input.
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From roleo at telus.net  Wed Sep 22 23:50:03 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:50:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
References: <414FB61F.9020308@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002601c4a0ee$1e22e340$6401a8c0@desktop>

Nakamichi made at least three remotes that will work with your deck, all are fairly rare:

RM-200, RM-5 (both with cable);  and the RM-580 two piece wireless.  

There is also the RM-300 which is super rare and expensive.

You can pick up an RM-200 for $99.00 right now at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15065&item=5721957168&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

That is the older of the two wired remotes.

Not sure about the RM-100. If it fits with the same DIN plug, it will likely work too.

-- Roland Alford



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From: "Jeffrey Conolly" <pokemonoman at earthlink.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:03 PM
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


> HEY FOLKS, I OWN A NEAR MINT NAK 670ZX THAT I GOT CHEAP, ETC...
> IT IS REALLY, REALLY NICE, CONDITION, ETC...
> 
> WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENED NAKAMICHI REMOTES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE FOR USE 
> WITH MY 670 ZX/.
> 
> I LOOKED AT THE NAK SITE BUT ALL I SAWWAS THIS WEIRDO TERM BEING USED:
> 
> "PRESENT"  
> YEAH? PRESENT WHAT?  PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR? WHAT?
> 
> CAN I USE A NAK RM-100 UNIT WITH MY 670 ZX???
> 
> CAN I USE OTHER MANUFACTUERS INFARED REMOTES LIKE THE AIWA?
> 
> HOW ABOUT THE OTHER INFARED REMOTES???
> THANX IN ADVANCE,
> 
> PMJ
> 
> P.S. I OWN TONS OF OTHER NAKAMICHI PRODUCTS AND CASSETE DECKS AS WELL. 
> BUT I'M IN LOVE WITH THE GEORGEOUS SOUND OF MY 670ZX....
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From roleo at telus.net  Wed Sep 22 23:55:49 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:55:49 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning
References: <000a01c49f1a$d1eaab40$831d0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <003e01c4a0ee$ec85aa60$6401a8c0@desktop>

Whenever I get a really dirty piece of equipment, I take it apart and clean the housing and faceplate with soap, warm water and a sponge.  Also vaccuum the inside or use a can of compressed air to blow out the dirt when appropriate. This is more time consuming, but the only satisfactory way to get it worth to sit in my system.

I also get a black marker and touch up corners and edges that have had the color scraped away.  Not a perfect match but it looks real good compared to not doing it.  You can also get spray paints from various manufacturers that are for audio gear which is a better match.  I sometimes spray the entire outer housing, but not the faceplate.

-- Roland Alford
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  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:04 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning


  Does anyone have any secret cleaning solutions/techniques ?

  I recently obtained a Nak 505 from a friend.  It is very dirty.  I have been using the old mild soap and water on a cotton swab to clean around the face plate and knobs etc.   Does anyone have any other suggestions??

  Randall in Seattle


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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Thu Sep 23 00:12:54 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:12:54 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
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If you are in San Francisco Bay Area try:

http://www.libermansound.com/index.htm

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 01:12:51 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:12:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] hi all iam a new guy...!!
In-Reply-To: <20040921121248.7714.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002801c4a0f9$af305e20$d067893e@oemcomputer>

Senthil

Don't let not being technical stop you from joining in - it doesn't with
me!! <<grin>>

Gra'
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Of senthil nathan
  Sent: 21 September 2004 13:13
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] hi all iam a new guy...!!


  i have been a passive listner here for more than six months .....i waited
to join the talk till i get a nak ...cause i never have seen or listen to
one till now ....but i have read more about the parises and popularity of
them amoung audiophiles and analogue music lovers.
  After a long time ...i some how bought a nak ..a very modest one ....i
think its enough for a novice like me ,its a cassette deck 1.5 from the
1990es.
                                    i have a smalltime audio setup ..which
is ..sony PS-X70 turntable ,a yamaha A-500 int amp,larger ADVENT speakers
and the cassette deck 1.5 ..and a collection of some 2000 records.iam still
searching for another tape deck to use it as a record deck.
                                    I have learnt a lot from naktalk and its
obvious that there are many technically sound audiophiles here ...well ..iam
not that technical to go in depth with orange caps or mylar caps ....but
still i can quiet understand the conversations here .i dont think i would be
able to contribute any thing very useful to this technically strong forum
...cause i still have a long way to go in this area ..anyway iam very happy
that there are still people who love analogue sound and make the cassette
live longer ..
  --regards
  senthil


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 01:12:56 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:12:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?
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Message-ID: <003201c4a0f9$b209bce0$d067893e@oemcomputer>

I'd have thought you'll get more for the CR2 but you won't get your money
back on it.  If you really must let one go, personally, I'd keep the CR2 and
let the BX go.  But you might also think about a QED (or similar quality)
tape switch box which would allow you to connect up both decks through your
single tape loop on the amp - it will let you choose which deck to play from
and also allow you to dub from one to the other, or dub to both at the same
time when you are playing from another source.

Gra'
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  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Ian Weitzel
  Sent: 21 September 2004 22:24
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?


  I have owned naks for around twenty five years, being at one time in
possession of a 600 that, to my ears at least, sounded flawless.
Unfortunately it was stolen from my house and I never found a replacement. I
currently own a CR2E, I guess about fifteeen years old. It was owned from
new by a friend who went bankrupt shortly after buying it, put it into
storage in 1991 and didn't take it out until 2003, when he immediately sold
it to me. (I paid £150 sterling - too much I now think). So the machine has
had practically no usage since new. Knowing that letting cassette players
lie unused is about the worst thing you can do to them, I had it serviced at
B & W, the UK Nak agents, drive belts and a motor replaced, brought up to
spec etc - cost another £150.

  I also have a BX-150E (I think the E sufffix means European spec?) I
bought for £100 off a friend who runs a hi-fi business, had taken it in part
exchange and was happy for me to take it at his cost. I don't know the
provenance of this one, it sounds fine and an engineer has checked it over
and it is in working order.

  My dilemma is this. I really can't justify having two tape decks - I
record very little these days, mostly for use in the car. I've got a Pioneer
CD recorder which I confess tends to get the job when I want to record
concerts etc off the radio. My amp hasn't got two tape inputs so I can only
hook one up at a time. So I feel I ought to let one go. I confess I don't
really know which is the "better" of the two - was the CR2 a superior
machine to the BX150 or vice versa.? I would prefer to keep the better
player. Which one would you sell? Any idea what they're worth?

  Thanks for any input.
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From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:15:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?
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I guess if its running, you hit the lode. I have had mine sitting silent and stone cold for over a year now. Prices and offers to fix it are sky high and many are discouraging me. I just simply dont have the heart to let this technical marvel fade away. Hopefully, this guy didnt have his unit sitting and gathering dust over the years...
 
BG

Mark Lynn <lynnzzz at comcast.net> wrote:
it's in mint condition and was owned by what had to have been the most anal person in the world.it's calibrated and pretty much in the best shape it could be in.it even has the box that contained the papers and calibration tapes.even that appears to be mint.
 i'll be using it for playback only.he wants 150 and just lives right down the street so i've seen the unit and the guy selling it is a good friend.please reply off list if you have any thoughts.thanks
 
mark L.
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From bg3009 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 23 01:19:24 2004
From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:19:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <414FB61F.9020308@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040922231924.15803.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes I have had a 670 for nearly 8 years now and I think it is a beautiful deck. It initially took me some getting used to after my Aiwa F990 ( have you tried THAT?). But the 670 is really something though its not even the top of its range. I never really looked hard at the remote section but took it has another thing about analogue - hands on operation. BTW, does anyone have spare mechanical parts for the 670? The idler wheel on my deck has worn out and needs replacement. 
 
Regards, 
BG

Jeffrey Conolly <pokemonoman at earthlink.net> wrote:
HEY FOLKS, I OWN A NEAR MINT NAK 670ZX THAT I GOT CHEAP, ETC...
IT IS REALLY, REALLY NICE, CONDITION, ETC...

WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENED NAKAMICHI REMOTES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE FOR USE 
WITH MY 670 ZX/.

I LOOKED AT THE NAK SITE BUT ALL I SAWWAS THIS WEIRDO TERM BEING USED:

"PRESENT" 
YEAH? PRESENT WHAT? PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR? WHAT?

CAN I USE A NAK RM-100 UNIT WITH MY 670 ZX???

CAN I USE OTHER MANUFACTUERS INFARED REMOTES LIKE THE AIWA?

HOW ABOUT THE OTHER INFARED REMOTES???
THANX IN ADVANCE,

PMJ

P.S. I OWN TONS OF OTHER NAKAMICHI PRODUCTS AND CASSETE DECKS AS WELL. 
BUT I'M IN LOVE WITH THE GEORGEOUS SOUND OF MY 670ZX....





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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 23 04:51:07 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:51:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?
References: <014201c49fe6$f5a0b120$04e61e18@VALUEDB8142DE8>
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Hi!

Yes is justifies such lower price, want I don't know if you speak on US $ or UK pounds, it's a little difference among these two prices!
As you wrote us, seems in a "Super Mint" conditions! Buy it, makes much less problems that the more newer ones, and really sound superb...I still owning one 1000/2 from 1978 which I want to sell for $:300.00

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
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  From: Mark Lynn 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:26 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


  it's in mint condition and was owned by what had to have been the most anal person in the world.it's calibrated and pretty much in the best shape it could be in.it even has the box that contained the papers and calibration tapes.even that appears to be mint.
   i'll be using it for playback only.he wants 150 and just lives right down the street so i've seen the unit and the guy selling it is a good friend.please reply off list if you have any thoughts.thanks

  mark L.
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 23 04:56:07 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:56:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
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Hi Bob!

The main difference is the heads (Improved), better electronics (Less 
"Hiss"), wider window on the cassette door panel.
Same as my 1000/2 that I want to sell with the very little difference...that 
the door in the 1000 remain the same among those two models.

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
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Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)


>
> What are the basic differences between a Nak 700 and a 700II?
> thanks
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From wontulp at zoomnet.com.au  Thu Sep 23 09:24:24 2004
From: wontulp at zoomnet.com.au (David Thompson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:24:24 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] I am back
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Message-ID: <p06010208bd782a5329f6@[192.168.0.7]>

I've just found a heap of Naktalk emails in the Junk mailbox! 
Something in the header must be triggering it (in Eudora).

David

>Hi guys
>I was wondering why I am not getting any posts recently - reason 
>seems to be my mail id. Now that Wouter had acted very quickly to 
>bring me in !
>What happened to marathon tape mailing?
>Yeah I am back in San jose - after spending 6 weeks in Chicago
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From srudick at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 23 15:33:09 2004
From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:33:09 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
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what are some reputable repair/restoration shops for naks?  regards dl


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 23 05:05:27 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:05:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning
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Hi Randall!

What you do is 100% correctly. As you wrote us that you clean the "EXTERIOR CABINET"...and NOT inside!
The heads and roller pinch, capstan etc... is another history. An a contradict one! I use purest alcohol, for more of 45 years that I have many types/brands of tapes decks reel to reel and now cassettes. Because is cheap, and never (TO ME...!), make me any problems at all.

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
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  From: Babin/Greseth 
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  Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:04 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning


  Does anyone have any secret cleaning solutions/techniques ?

  I recently obtained a Nak 505 from a friend.  It is very dirty.  I have been using the old mild soap and water on a cotton swab to clean around the face plate and knobs etc.   Does anyone have any other suggestions??

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From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Sep 24 04:46:31 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:46:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Repairs
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Hi Dave,

I second Bob's recommendation of ESLabs.  I have had 3 Naks (Dragon, CR-7 and RX-505) completely restored by them, and they did a wonderful job.  They have also been helpful with operational and maintenance tips after the fact.  Jeff Galen will provide a very complete quote on his proposed rebuild prior to commencing work.  As I have mentioned on Naktalk in the past, we used my CR-7 to record the master of the SF Session of the Marathon II Tape.....if you have the CDs, you can listen to the results yourself.

Robert Kent

Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:01:50 -0400
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] repair facilities
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
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eslabs.com  very expensive but I hear they are professional in their rebuilds.

> From: "dave l" <dxlx at earthlink.net>
> Date: 2004/09/19 Sun PM 11:31:55 EDT
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
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> what are some reputable repair/restoration shops for naks?  regards dl
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From rjkent at comcast.net  Fri Sep 24 05:04:23 2004
From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:04:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
Message-ID: <002e01c4a1e3$3231f740$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>

Hi Jeff,

I have a wonderful 670ZX, and I agree the sound is great.  Mine is in pristine condition, and one of my best performing Naks.  The correct remote is the RM-200, and they do come up on ebay occasionally.  It is a wired remote, and plugs into one of the two DIN plugs on the back of the unit.  I don't know if the RM-100 will work or not, but I would guess not.  Nakamichi did not use consistent pin assignments on their various wired remotes and they tend to not be interchangeable, with a few exceptions.

Many many months ago, we had some discussions about building IR remotes with wired receivers, and I was going to give it a try, but never got around to it.  You would need the pin assignments to be successful.  If you check the archives, you might find something useful....one of members had even offered to build remotes for a modest cost, but I don't remember who it was now.

Robert Kent

Jeffrey Conolly <pokemonoman at earthlink.net> wrote:
HEY FOLKS, I OWN A NEAR MINT NAK 670ZX THAT I GOT CHEAP, ETC...
IT IS REALLY, REALLY NICE, CONDITION, ETC...

WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENED NAKAMICHI REMOTES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE FOR USE 
WITH MY 670 ZX/.

I LOOKED AT THE NAK SITE BUT ALL I SAWWAS THIS WEIRDO TERM BEING USED:

"PRESENT" 
YEAH? PRESENT WHAT? PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR? WHAT?

CAN I USE A NAK RM-100 UNIT WITH MY 670 ZX???

CAN I USE OTHER MANUFACTUERS INFARED REMOTES LIKE THE AIWA?

HOW ABOUT THE OTHER INFARED REMOTES???
THANX IN ADVANCE,

PMJ

P.S. I OWN TONS OF OTHER NAKAMICHI PRODUCTS AND CASSETE DECKS AS WELL. 
BUT I'M IN LOVE WITH THE GEORGEOUS SOUND OF MY 670ZX....
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From dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu  Thu Sep 23 19:46:15 2004
From: dgb100 at psulias.psu.edu (Derrick Beckner)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:46:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?
In-Reply-To: <BJEPKGIDAOOJNKHJKLKFIEGACEAA.stan.targowski@comcast.net>
References: <002a01c4a021$52f57740$ba348651@fujitsusiemens>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040923134501.01be8f70@psulias.psu.edu>

I also have a CR-2.  If you're not going to be recording a lot of tapes 
it's a perfectly nice player.  It records fine, but you'd definately want a 
three head for "serious" taping.

At 03:39 PM 9/22/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>CR2 and BX-150 are the same class machines. The CR2 is pretty much one 
>generation newer version of BX150.
>
>They are both two head tape decks with three motor transports, Dolby B and 
>C, and manual bias control. One could argue, that the older models, the BX 
>(100,150,300) series, were better built than the CR (1,2,3). The BX was 
>only made in Japan, the CR was made in both Japan and Taiwan.
>
>If it was my choice, I would keep whichever decks looks better and fits 
>better into your system. Per below, CR2 is virtually a brand new machine 
>after an overhaul. I have had one since 1989 and it still works perfectly.
>
>Stan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf 
>Of Ian Weitzel
>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:24 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?
>
>I have owned naks for around twenty five years, being at one time in 
>possession of a 600 that, to my ears at least, sounded flawless. 
>Unfortunately it was stolen from my house and I never found a replacement. 
>I currently own a CR2E, I guess about fifteeen years old. It was owned 
>from new by a friend who went bankrupt shortly after buying it, put it 
>into storage in 1991 and didn't take it out until 2003, when he 
>immediately sold it to me. (I paid £150 sterling - too much I now think). 
>So the machine has had practically no usage since new. Knowing that 
>letting cassette players lie unused is about the worst thing you can do to 
>them, I had it serviced at B & W, the UK Nak agents, drive belts and a 
>motor replaced, brought up to spec etc - cost another £150.
>
>I also have a BX-150E (I think the E sufffix means European spec?) I 
>bought for £100 off a friend who runs a hi-fi business, had taken it in 
>part exchange and was happy for me to take it at his cost. I don't know 
>the provenance of this one, it sounds fine and an engineer has checked it 
>over and it is in working order.
>
>My dilemma is this. I really can't justify having two tape decks - I 
>record very little these days, mostly for use in the car. I've got a 
>Pioneer CD recorder which I confess tends to get the job when I want to 
>record concerts etc off the radio. My amp hasn't got two tape inputs so I 
>can only hook one up at a time. So I feel I ought to let one go. I confess 
>I don't really know which is the "better" of the two - was the CR2 a 
>superior machine to the BX150 or vice versa.? I would prefer to keep the 
>better player. Which one would you sell? Any idea what they're worth?
>
>Thanks for any input.
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From gwmcbride at comcast.net  Thu Sep 23 19:52:28 2004
From: gwmcbride at comcast.net (GMcBride)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:52:28 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV16NK2v9eHY00002295@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBEEAECKAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>

Hi,

On the subject of 1000s and 700s as well, does anyone have any drive
mechanism parts lying around for the 700?  Mine is chattering a bit in FF &
REW and I'm hoping to find someone who has some of the tires and belts for
it, or maybe even the entire "fast mode" assembly.

For cleaning the heads, capstans, and pinch rollers, NEVER use rubbing
alcohol !!  It typically contains up to 15% mineral oil !!!

George McBride


  -----Original Message----- .
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of Alex Cozac
  Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:51 PM
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


  Hi!

  Yes is justifies such lower price, want I don't know if you speak on US $
or UK pounds, it's a little difference among these two prices!
  As you wrote us, seems in a "Super Mint" conditions! Buy it, makes much
less problems that the more newer ones, and really sound superb...I still
owning one 1000/2 from 1978 which I want to sell for $:300.00

  Happy Listening,

  ALEX!
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Mark Lynn
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:26 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


    it's in mint condition and was owned by what had to have been the most
anal person in the world.it's calibrated and pretty much in the best shape
it could be in.it even has the box that contained the papers and calibration
tapes.even that appears to be mint.
     i'll be using it for playback only.he wants 150 and just lives right
down the street so i've seen the unit and the guy selling it is a good
friend.please reply off list if you have any thoughts.thanks

    mark L.
    lynnzzz at comcast.net


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From lpfreak at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 24 01:36:51 2004
From: lpfreak at sbcglobal.net (Derek Reese)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:36:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Auto Calibration Issue
Message-ID: <71AE40F2-0DB9-11D9-9E9C-0030654C9FE8@sbcglobal.net>

Rowland,

You rock!  Thanks for the tip, my man.  I will give that a try and let  
the forum know.  Hopefully, this will get me back in business.

Regards,

Derek

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:55:42 -0400
From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Auto Calibration
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
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Derek,

This problem is so odd because I just went through it myself.  Without  
the boring details, I had to handle the mechanism and accidently  
through the nylon stop out of adjustment and wound up with EXACTLY the  
same problem as yours.  The problem is that the little motor and slide  
that pivots that record head runs out of adjustment so it aborts and  
the three lights start blinking all at once.  This is what I did to get  
it back together so it would auto calibration.

Pull the door cover off and you will see four little nylon wheels.    
The one furthest to the right is the azimuth setting.  Take note of the  
position of the little adjustment wheel before doing this procedure.   
Turn the wheel approximately 1/8 of a turn clockwise.  Do auto-cal.  If  
it fails again, turn it 1/8 more.  Repeat until auto-cal works.    If  
you have to go more than 1/2 turn in total, then you probably have a  
greater problem.  By turning the adjustment clockwise, it reduces the  
amount of pivot travel needed to set the azimuth.

Of course, I'm assuming that you've cleaned and demagnetized the heads  
first.

Hope this helps!



rom: Derek Reese <lpfreak at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: 2004/09/12 Sun PM 09:25:11 EDT
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Auto Calibration
>
> Hi, All.
>
> All of the sudden, the Auto Calibration feature on my CR-7 does not
> work.  I am using 100 minute Metal tapes.  Does anyone know if there is
> a quick fix for this problem?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Derek
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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 01:54:44 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:54:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
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WHAT ABOUT THE U.S.A.???




on 9/23/04 9:33 AM, Steve Rudick at srudick at hotmail.com wrote:

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> 
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From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:57:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Which nak goes?
In-Reply-To: <s152c0fa.041@mroute.sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <BD78DB13.6939%pokemonoman@mac.com>

I RECOMMEMND THAT BYOU GO ALL THE WAY AND HOLD OUT FOR A DECENT CONDITION
NAK 670ZX OR A 680ZX OR A 681ZX OR A 682ZX.

THESE ARE THE BEST NAKAMICHIS FOR THE MONEY AND ARE ALKWAYS AVAILABLE ON
EBAY LEFT AND RIGHT.

PMJ
on 9/23/04 6:26 AM, Mark Hugo at Mhugo at sunint.co.za wrote:

> Depending on condition I would go with the CR2 option on condition the BX-150
> wasn't a silver-face, in which case I would keep that one.  Many BXs have had
> the gear-mod done.  You'll possibly find spares for CRs more easily than BXs.
> 
> I like blonde, I mean silver Naks - either the above or a perfect 482Z in
> silver would make my day.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Marc
> 
>>>> marcdenis at iquebec.com 09/22/04 11:07PM >>>
> At 17:24 09/21/2004, you wrote:
>> I have owned naks for around twenty five years, being at one time in
>> possession of a 600 that, to my ears at least, sounded flawless.
>> Unfortunately it was stolen from my house and I never found a replacement.
>> I currently own a CR2E, I guess about fifteeen years old. It was owned
>> from new by a friend who went bankrupt shortly after buying it, put it
>> into storage in 1991 and didn't take it out until 2003, when he
>> immediately sold it to me. (I paid £150 sterling - too much I now think).
>> So the machine has had practically no usage since new. Knowing that
>> letting cassette players lie unused is about the worst thing you can do to
>> them, I had it serviced at B & W, the UK Nak agents, drive belts and a
>> motor replaced, brought up to spec etc - cost another £150.
>> 
>> I also have a BX-150E (I think the E sufffix means European spec?) I
>> bought for £100 off a friend who runs a hi-fi business, had taken it in
>> part exchange and was happy for me to take it at his cost. I don't know
>> the provenance of this one, it sounds fine and an engineer has checked it
>> over and it is in working order.
>> 
>> My dilemma is this. I really can't justify having two tape decks - I
>> record very little these days, mostly for use in the car. I've got a
>> Pioneer CD recorder which I confess tends to get the job when I want to
>> record concerts etc off the radio. My amp hasn't got two tape inputs so I
>> can only hook one up at a time. So I feel I ought to let one go. I confess
>> I don't really know which is the "better" of the two - was the CR2 a
>> superior machine to the BX150 or vice versa.? I would prefer to keep the
>> better player. Which one would you sell? Any idea what they're worth?
>> 
>> Thanks for any input.
> 
> 
> Both machines are very similar. CR-2 replaced BX-150 in the line up. CR-2
> may require less maintenance because it came with gear drive from the
> factory. E suffix is for Europe.
> 
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I RECOMMEMND THAT BYOU GO ALL THE WAY AND HOLD OUT FOR A DECENT CONDITION
NAK 670ZX OR A 680ZX OR A 681ZX OR A 682ZX.

THESE ARE THE BEST NAKAMICHIS FOR THE MONEY AND ARE ALKWAYS AVAILABLE ON
EBAY LEFT AND RIGHT.

PMJ




From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 02:24:12 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:24:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <20040922231924.15803.qmail@web41415.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD78E16C.6942%pokemonoman@mac.com>

YES, BUT I JUST NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE REMOTES PERIOD.
I'M GLAD YOU LIKE YOUR HIGH END AIWA.
I HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HEARD MORE PERFECT PLAYBACK FROM AN ORDINARY
PRE-RECORDED CASSETTE THAN THROUGH MY EBAY PURCHASED 670ZX PERIOD.

THANX,

PMJ


on 9/22/04 7:19 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra at bg3009 at yahoo.com wrote:

Yes I have had a 670 for nearly 8 years now and I think it is a beautiful
deck. It initially took me some getting used to after my Aiwa F990 ( have
you tried THAT?). But the 670 is really something though its not even the
top of its range. I never really looked hard at the remote section but took
it has another thing about analogue - hands on operation. BTW, does anyone
have spare mechanical parts for the 670? The idler wheel on my deck has worn
out and needs replacement.

Regards, 
BG

YES, BUT I JUST NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE REMOTES PERIOD.
I'M GLAD YOU LIKE YOUR HIGH END AIWA.
I HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HEARD MORE PERFECT PLAYBACK FROM AN ORDINARY
PRE-RECORDED CASSETTE THAN THROUGH MY EBAY PURCHASED 670ZX PERIOD.

THANX,

PMJ

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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 02:27:19 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:27:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
In-Reply-To: <092220042212.22603.4151F8E6000405460000584B2200737478010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BD78E227.6944%pokemonoman@mac.com>

AWESOME. HOW ABOUT THEEAAST COAST?

I RECOMMEND AUDIO LAB/STEREO LAB IN HARVARD SQUARE, CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS

1 - 617 - 864 - 1144


on 9/22/04 6:12 PM, paulkoo at comcast.net at paulkoo at comcast.net wrote:

> If you are in San Francisco Bay Area try:
> 
> http://www.libermansound.com/index.htm
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
>> what are some reputable repair/restoration shops for naks?  regards dl
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 24 05:28:21 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 05:28:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
References: <002e01c4a1e3$3231f740$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV5qxsD1Ty9C0000715f@hotmail.com>

Hi Bob!

I have only the 1000 series remote control, and I try it on a 1000ZXL and now with my gifted Dragon and WORKS!!!
So...I guess that Nak do not changed the pins, maybe do less features, however my oldie first model remote control can put the 1000ZXL & Dragon prepared to record > record what you intend > forward/reverse > hold  and play.
Those issues is OK with me...no need more advantages!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:04 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote


  Hi Jeff,

  I have a wonderful 670ZX, and I agree the sound is great.  Mine is in pristine condition, and one of my best performing Naks.  The correct remote is the RM-200, and they do come up on ebay occasionally.  It is a wired remote, and plugs into one of the two DIN plugs on the back of the unit.  I don't know if the RM-100 will work or not, but I would guess not.  Nakamichi did not use consistent pin assignments on their various wired remotes and they tend to not be interchangeable, with a few exceptions.

  Many many months ago, we had some discussions about building IR remotes with wired receivers, and I was going to give it a try, but never got around to it.  You would need the pin assignments to be successful.  If you check the archives, you might find something useful....one of members had even offered to build remotes for a modest cost, but I don't remember who it was now.

  Robert Kent

  Jeffrey Conolly <pokemonoman at earthlink.net> wrote:
  HEY FOLKS, I OWN A NEAR MINT NAK 670ZX THAT I GOT CHEAP, ETC...
  IT IS REALLY, REALLY NICE, CONDITION, ETC...

  WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENED NAKAMICHI REMOTES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE FOR USE 
  WITH MY 670 ZX/.

  I LOOKED AT THE NAK SITE BUT ALL I SAWWAS THIS WEIRDO TERM BEING USED:

  "PRESENT" 
  YEAH? PRESENT WHAT? PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR? WHAT?

  CAN I USE A NAK RM-100 UNIT WITH MY 670 ZX???

  CAN I USE OTHER MANUFACTUERS INFARED REMOTES LIKE THE AIWA?

  HOW ABOUT THE OTHER INFARED REMOTES???
  THANX IN ADVANCE,

  PMJ

  P.S. I OWN TONS OF OTHER NAKAMICHI PRODUCTS AND CASSETE DECKS AS WELL. 
  BUT I'M IN LOVE WITH THE GEORGEOUS SOUND OF MY 670ZX....


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From michi at zeroc.com  Fri Sep 24 06:10:28 2004
From: michi at zeroc.com (Michi Henning)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:10:28 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Repairs
In-Reply-To: <001901c4a1e0$b3349350$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
References: <001901c4a1e0$b3349350$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <41539E34.3020206@zeroc.com>

rjkent at comcast.net wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>  
> I second Bob's recommendation of ESLabs.  I have had 3 Naks (Dragon, 
> CR-7 and RX-505) completely restored by them, and they did a wonderful 
> job.  They have also been helpful with operational and maintenance tips 
> after the fact.  Jeff Galen will provide a very complete quote on his 
> proposed rebuild prior to commencing work.  As I have mentioned on 
> Naktalk in the past, we used my CR-7 to record the master of the SF 
> Session of the Marathon II Tape.....if you have the CDs, you can listen 
> to the results yourself.

Something that might be a really useful resource would be a new section
on the web site with contact details for various Nak repair places, sorted
by country. I think a lot of people would appreciate that. Collecting
the contact details wouldn't be hard, if everyone simply posts a list
of the places they know about.

Cheers,

Michi.




From paulkoo at comcast.net  Fri Sep 24 21:03:44 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (Paul Koo)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:03:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Repairs
References: <001901c4a1e0$b3349350$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <002901c4a269$36b65000$6401a8c0@Study>

I agree with Robert that ES Lab is the best known and very reputable company.  If you live in the East Coast and cost is not an issue, ES Lab is the one.

With my CR-7 in the SF Bay Area, I was able to receive adequate walk up service from a local repair shop without the anxiety of shippng the unit via Fed EX (UPS would not ship stereo gear without the orignial packaging) to the East. Hope this help and not add to the confusion of recommendations.

I had the fortune of playing back (with my CR7) a copy of the SF Marathon tape from Robert's CR7 deck.  I agree that the sound was as good as the master tape.

Paul Koo


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:46 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Repairs


  Hi Dave,

  I second Bob's recommendation of ESLabs.  I have had 3 Naks (Dragon, CR-7 and RX-505) completely restored by them, and they did a wonderful job.  They have also been helpful with operational and maintenance tips after the fact.  Jeff Galen will provide a very complete quote on his proposed rebuild prior to commencing work.  As I have mentioned on Naktalk in the past, we used my CR-7 to record the master of the SF Session of the Marathon II Tape.....if you have the CDs, you can listen to the results yourself.

  Robert Kent

  Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:01:50 -0400
  From: <rjlbjk at cox.net>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] repair facilities
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
  Message-ID:
  <20040922200149.JGPI19406.lakermmtao12.cox.net at smtp.east.cox.net>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

  eslabs.com  very expensive but I hear they are professional in their rebuilds.

  > From: "dave l" <dxlx at earthlink.net>
  > Date: 2004/09/19 Sun PM 11:31:55 EDT
  > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
  > Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
  > 
  > what are some reputable repair/restoration shops for naks?  regards dl


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From steffanus.kor at tiscali.fr  Fri Sep 24 14:19:38 2004
From: steffanus.kor at tiscali.fr (Steffanus Kor)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:19:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi mx-100
Message-ID: <001701c4a230$c2deae80$af979c53@steffie>

Hello,

I am searching for a Nakamichi mx-100 microphonemixer for my Nak 582. I live in France and I am a lot in Holland(because I'm Dutch) If you would have some microphones with it that would be great also. Of cause everything in good condition. Thanks a lot, Steffanus
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From steffanus.kor at tiscali.fr  Fri Sep 24 14:23:46 2004
From: steffanus.kor at tiscali.fr (Steffanus Kor)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:23:46 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] (Geen onderwerp)
Message-ID: <002a01c4a231$57010b80$af979c53@steffie>

Hello, 

I would like some information about the nakamichi subsonic filter SF-100. What does it exactly and how can I use it? I don't have any cables with it. I own a Nak 582 cassettedeck.

Thanks a lot for any reply,

Steffanus
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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Fri Sep 24 20:50:07 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (Paul Koo)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:50:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
References: <002e01c4a1e3$3231f740$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <001601c4a267$503c5940$6401a8c0@Study>

Hi Robert,

On the subject of remotes.  I have a CR-7 as you know (displayed but not used at your home during the SF Nak gathering).  I am in need of a remote.  Do you know if the Sony learning remotes can copy codes from the CR7 wireless remote?  Thanks for any help you can provide.

Paul Koo
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rjkent at comcast.net 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:04 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote


  Hi Jeff,

  I have a wonderful 670ZX, and I agree the sound is great.  Mine is in pristine condition, and one of my best performing Naks.  The correct remote is the RM-200, and they do come up on ebay occasionally.  It is a wired remote, and plugs into one of the two DIN plugs on the back of the unit.  I don't know if the RM-100 will work or not, but I would guess not.  Nakamichi did not use consistent pin assignments on their various wired remotes and they tend to not be interchangeable, with a few exceptions.

  Many many months ago, we had some discussions about building IR remotes with wired receivers, and I was going to give it a try, but never got around to it.  You would need the pin assignments to be successful.  If you check the archives, you might find something useful....one of members had even offered to build remotes for a modest cost, but I don't remember who it was now.

  Robert Kent

  Jeffrey Conolly <pokemonoman at earthlink.net> wrote:
  HEY FOLKS, I OWN A NEAR MINT NAK 670ZX THAT I GOT CHEAP, ETC...
  IT IS REALLY, REALLY NICE, CONDITION, ETC...

  WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENED NAKAMICHI REMOTES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE FOR USE 
  WITH MY 670 ZX/.

  I LOOKED AT THE NAK SITE BUT ALL I SAWWAS THIS WEIRDO TERM BEING USED:

  "PRESENT" 
  YEAH? PRESENT WHAT? PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR? WHAT?

  CAN I USE A NAK RM-100 UNIT WITH MY 670 ZX???

  CAN I USE OTHER MANUFACTUERS INFARED REMOTES LIKE THE AIWA?

  HOW ABOUT THE OTHER INFARED REMOTES???
  THANX IN ADVANCE,

  PMJ

  P.S. I OWN TONS OF OTHER NAKAMICHI PRODUCTS AND CASSETE DECKS AS WELL. 
  BUT I'M IN LOVE WITH THE GEORGEOUS SOUND OF MY 670ZX....


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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 25 22:40:56 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:40:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV5wvC3ZdCKg00011483@hotmail.com>

Hello all Nakkers!

I have a TriTracer 1000 which has some problems. I started yesterday to align this deck, because it was misaligned compared to my other (more often used) Naks, the ZX7 and the RX505.
It was a nightmare for me. Just finished (2 days later), the cassettes recorded on the TT1000 are now "compatible" with those recorded on the other Naks. (Envy of you to have a Dragon or a CR7 with the playback-azimuth tuning!)

One of the reasons I write to you is that I found that the Deprez-indicators show (and showed before my "alignign") different levels, even though the output seems to be similar (I connected the output to the ZX7, and monitored the TT100 output's). I even connected it to my computer, and that showed also the signals (Left and Right) are very similar, not so different as the needle-indicators indicated. The ZX7 and the RX505 were professionally adjusted some time ago.
I found that if I put constant sinus 0dB on both channels, they show the same 0db. But when the signal is dynamic, the left-channel indicator shows ca. 3-4dB less in the peaks. It seems like the left side indicator is too slow to follow the dynamic music (or the right-side indicator is too fast?  :-)) ).

Can you tell me if Deprez-indicators need any maintenance? A drop of oil to the shaft? Is it possible to do by such a lamer like me? Is it recommended to take it out? I am far not a professional.

I may have more questions later about this machine, but now it is enough.

Thank you in advance for your help.

István
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Sep 24 22:38:04 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:38:04 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
In-Reply-To: <BD78E16C.6942%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003501c4a276$648cb480$868c4c51@oemcomputer>

Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITSPMJ said:  " HAVE NEVER,
NEVER, NEVER HEARD MORE PERFECT PLAYBACK FROM AN ORDINARY PRE-RECORDED
CASSETTE THAN THROUGH MY EBAY PURCHASED 670ZX PERIOD."

That's cos' you've not heard a Dragon ...

Gra'


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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 23:10:44 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:10:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] NAKI TALK / THE INTERNET / AND SUPPOSED "RULES" AND
	SUPPOSED "GOOD TASTE".....
In-Reply-To: <002901c4a269$36b65000$6401a8c0@Study>
Message-ID: <BD7A0594.699F%pokemonoman@mac.com>

on 9/24/04 4:09 PM, Ti Kan at ti at amb.org wrote:

> 
> May I suggest that you disable that CAPS key on your keyboard?  Typing in
> all CAPS mode is akin to shouting on an internet forum, and is not
> in good taste.

NO YOU MAY "NOT"!! YOUR OPINION ABOUT "ALL CAPS ='SHOUTING'" IS, OF COURSE,
IMPORTANT TO SOMEBODY BUT NOT ME. I'M SORRY BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST
ME, THINK THAT YOUR IDEA THAT I'M A NEWBIE IS DEAD WRONG AS WELL. YOUR IDEA
THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF INTERNATIONAL "FORUM" THAT "DECIDES" WHAT IS
"RIGHT AND WRONG" IS ALSO PHONY AND DEAD WRONG AS WELL.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION ALL CAPS IS A RECOGNIZED AND LEGITIMATE FORM OF
COMMUNICATION. IT IS FOUND ON EBAY AND OTHER "FORUMS AS WELL..

NOTHING PERSONAL BUT MY RECOMMONDATION IS WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS
ACTUALLY "IMPORTANT" AND ALSO CONSIDER TO GET A "LIFE" OUTSIDE OF THE
INTERNET.

SINCERLY AND ALL THE BEST

PMJ 
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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 25 00:19:48 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:19:48 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
Message-ID: <BAY22-F39AW2m8grRfZ0000dc73@hotmail.com>


Hi Paul,

I don't know about the Sony remotes but if you have a Pronto I can send you 
the CR-7 .ccf files that works with the Prontot. I use this with my CR-7.

Kelvin.


>From: "Paul Koo" <paulkoo at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <rjkent at comcast.net>,        "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
><naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
>Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:50:07 -0700
>
>Hi Robert,
>
>On the subject of remotes.  I have a CR-7 as you know (displayed but not 
>used at your home during the SF Nak gathering).  I am in need of a remote.  
>Do you know if the Sony learning remotes can copy codes from the CR7 
>wireless remote?  Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
>Paul Koo

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From steffanus.kor at tiscali.fr  Sat Sep 25 11:43:21 2004
From: steffanus.kor at tiscali.fr (Steffanus Kor)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:43:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi mx-100 mixer
Message-ID: <001701c4a2e4$189bbf80$689e9c53@steffie>

Hello, Guys 'n Dolls

I was looking for a nakamichi mx-100 mixer, and now I can buy one, which is never used, the original box comes with it. The person asks 75 euro for it. Is that a good deal? I want to use it for my beautiful NAk 582, which I just bought also in new condition. But I only payed 50 euo for that one. So, could pleade someone tell me if it is a good deal?

thanks a lot, Steffanus
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From jeffsueclaire at yahoo.ca  Sat Sep 25 15:52:01 2004
From: jeffsueclaire at yahoo.ca (Jeff Stephen)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:52:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 Pinch Roller Problem
Message-ID: <20040925135201.45501.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
 
I picked up a 480 at a thrift store.  Heads, belts, capstans seem to be in nice shape, but there is a flutter in play and record.  I've sourced this to one of the pinch rollers not engaging to pinch the tape.
 
Is there an easy fix or would I have to get the unit serviced by a professional?
 
Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Jeff



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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 23:14:31 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:14:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
In-Reply-To: <001601c4a267$503c5940$6401a8c0@Study>
Message-ID: <BD7A0677.69A0%pokemonoman@mac.com>

THANX ROBERT!
YOU ARE A REAL GENTLEMAN AND VERY HELPFUL.

PMJ/NAKAMICHI 670ZX OWNER AND USER OF ALL CAPS



on 9/24/04 2:50 PM, Paul Koo at paulkoo at comcast.net wrote:


Hi Jeff,

I have a wonderful 670ZX, and I agree the sound is great.  Mine is in
pristine condition, and one of my best performing Naks.  The correct remote
is the RM-200, and they do come up on ebay occasionally.  It is a wired
remote, and plugs into one of the two DIN plugs on the back of the unit.  I
don't know if the RM-100 will work or not, but I would guess not.  Nakamichi
did not use consistent pin assignments on their various wired remotes and
they tend to not be interchangeable, with a few exceptions.

Many many months ago, we had some discussions about building IR remotes with
wired receivers, and I was going to give it a try, but never got around to
it.  You would need the pin assignments to be successful.  If you check the
archives, you might find something useful....one of members had even offered
to build remotes for a modest cost, but I don't remember who it was now.

Robert Kent

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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 23:47:05 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:47:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi mx-100
In-Reply-To: <001701c4a230$c2deae80$af979c53@steffie>
Message-ID: <BD7A0E19.69AD%pokemonoman@mac.com>

on 9/24/04 8:19 AM, Steffanus Kor at steffanus.kor at tiscali.fr wrote:

Hello,
 
I am searching for a Nakamichi mx-100 microphonemixer for my Nak 582. I live
in France and I am a lot in Holland(because I'm Dutch) If you would have
some microphones with it that would be great also. Of cause everything in
good condition. Thanks a lot, Steffanu

HERE'S A REAL SOLUTION OKLAY?

I ACTUALLY HAVE A SPARE NAKAMICHI PORTABLE CASSETE DECK WITH THE THREE
MICROPHONE INPUTS.
LEFT, RIGHT AND CENTER.
IT IS A CASSETTE DECK, YES, BUT CAN EASILY AND ALSO BE USED AS A MIXER.
I WAS SAVING THIS SPARE UNIT FOR PARTS, BUT I GUESS I COUILDS SELL IKT AS A
REAL NAKAMCHI MANUFACTURED THREE CHANNEL MIXER.
THIS IS THEC EXACT SAME ELECTRONICS (MORE OR LESS I'M QUITE CERTAIN) AS THE
STASND ALONE MIXER THAT YOU MENTIONJ.

ANYWAYS, JUST AN IDEA...

PMJ/ALL CAPS ADVOCATE

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From jochi at qwest.net  Sat Sep 25 01:11:33 2004
From: jochi at qwest.net (Jonathan Ochi)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:11:33 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] (Geen onderwerp)
References: <002a01c4a231$57010b80$af979c53@steffie>
Message-ID: <005101c4a28b$d5cf4120$0500000a@uswest.net>

Steffanus,

I have a Nakamichi SF-10 subsonic filter.  I am not familiar with the SF-100.  

The SF-10 cuts off the inaudible noise below 10 Hz.  The noise below 10 Hz is produced by warped records, by turntable rumble, or by tonearm resonances according to Nakamichi.  I used to get a rumble noise, or one might describe it as a kind of jittery sound whenever the needle played the warp of the record.  The rumble really distracted from my tape recordings.  Since using the SF-10, I have eliminated this rumble  whenever I record from a vinyl record.  

The SF-10s are simply connectors with a low frequency filter inside.  I plug the cables from the preamp into the SF-10.  I then plug the SF-10 plugs into my CR-7A.  They work great.  

I am guessing the SF-100 would eliminate frequencies below 100 Hz.  If so you would be eliminating frequencies audible to the human ear.  

Hope this is useful information.

Jon Ochi
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steffanus Kor 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:23 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] (Geen onderwerp)


  Hello, 

  I would like some information about the nakamichi subsonic filter SF-100. What does it exactly and how can I use it? I don't have any cables with it. I own a Nak 582 cassettedeck.

  Thanks a lot for any reply,

  Steffanus


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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Sat Sep 25 00:25:18 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:25:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV5qxsD1Ty9C0000715f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD7A170E.69BA%pokemonoman@mac.com>

on 9/23/04 11:28 PM, Alex Cozac at alexcozac at hotmail.com wrote:

and I try it on a 1000ZXL

PMJ WRITRES:

I ONCE SAW A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL GOLD PLATED 1000ZXL ON EBAY FROM QA SELLER
IN HOLLAND.

WOW!!!
SO MANY DOODADS.......
ALL I CARE ABOUT IS THE GOOD, GOOD SOUND. I'M SURE THE 1000ZXL IS A
BEAUTIFUL SOUNDING DECK.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I REALLY CARE ABOUT IN A CASSETTE DECK:  "DOES IT MAKE
ORDINARY PRE-RECORDED CASSETTES SOUND EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD?....."
THAT IS MY PRE-REQUISETTE.

IF I  NEED TO RECORD/DUB SOMETHING SERIOUSLY, I'LL USE MY STUDER C-37 OR
A-810 AT 30 I.P.S.!!!

CHEERS EVERYUBODY 

PMJ/ ALL CAPS ON THEINTERNET ETTIQUETTE POO-POO-ER

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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Sat Sep 25 00:37:21 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (rjlbjk at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:37:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] repair facilities
Message-ID: <20040924223719.WRUZ27744.lakermmtao09.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

I'm going to remember this one for myself.  I'm about 35 minutes from that location.

Thanks!


> 
> From: POKEMONOJEFF <pokemonoman at mac.com>
> Date: 2004/09/23 Thu PM 08:27:19 EDT
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] repair facilities
> 
> AWESOME. HOW ABOUT THEEAAST COAST?
> 
> I RECOMMEND AUDIO LAB/STEREO LAB IN HARVARD SQUARE, CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS
> 
> 1 - 617 - 864 - 1144
> 
> 
> on 9/22/04 6:12 PM, paulkoo at comcast.net at paulkoo at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > If you are in San Francisco Bay Area try:
> > 
> > http://www.libermansound.com/index.htm
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> what are some reputable repair/restoration shops for naks?  regards dl
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From jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Sep 25 03:35:08 2004
From: jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk (Jason Stephens)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:35:08 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] User Manual (or download) needed for TD-250s mobile
	(in-car) cassette/receiver
Message-ID: <000501c4a29f$e4ef3c00$778687d9@n4u9d0>

Hello...

Please can someone help?
I'm looking for a user manual for a Nakamichi TD-250s Mobile Receiver /
Cassette Deck.
I've searched nakamichi.com, nakamichi.co.jp and emailed B&W (in the UK) to
no avail!
Can anyone advise where I can download or locate a manual.

Regards,
Jas



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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 25 18:55:20 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:55:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?
References: <MBBBJNGGCKJALOPAMEKBEEAECKAA.gwmcbride@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10iZ9rWjAK00073656@hotmail.com>

Hello George,

I always use Isopropyl 100% pure alcohol and NEVER Rubbing as you quoted alcohol! And believe me WORKS!!!!

Concerning the FF/REV rounded belt, you can obtain very easily..as it's similarly to more common cassettes deck around the world. Those lovely "Oldies" Nak 1000; 1000/2; 700 and 700/2 was extremely well made much better that the more complicated newer full of "Plastics" models, to my  knowledge you don't need to change any assembly...last almost forever!

Happy Listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GMcBride 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:52 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


  Hi,

  On the subject of 1000s and 700s as well, does anyone have any drive mechanism parts lying around for the 700?  Mine is chattering a bit in FF & REW and I'm hoping to find someone who has some of the tires and belts for it, or maybe even the entire "fast mode" assembly. 

  For cleaning the heads, capstans, and pinch rollers, NEVER use rubbing alcohol !!  It typically contains up to 15% mineral oil !!!

  George McBride


    -----Original Message----- . 
    From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac
    Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:51 PM
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


    Hi!

    Yes is justifies such lower price, want I don't know if you speak on US $ or UK pounds, it's a little difference among these two prices!
    As you wrote us, seems in a "Super Mint" conditions! Buy it, makes much less problems that the more newer ones, and really sound superb...I still owning one 1000/2 from 1978 which I want to sell for $:300.00

    Happy Listening,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Mark Lynn 
      To: naktalk at naks.com 
      Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:26 PM
      Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000 worht it?


      it's in mint condition and was owned by what had to have been the most anal person in the world.it's calibrated and pretty much in the best shape it could be in.it even has the box that contained the papers and calibration tapes.even that appears to be mint.
       i'll be using it for playback only.he wants 150 and just lives right down the street so i've seen the unit and the guy selling it is a good friend.please reply off list if you have any thoughts.thanks

      mark L.
      lynnzzz at comcast.net


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From jvbrhg at seanet.com  Sun Sep 26 01:43:16 2004
From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (Babin/Greseth)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:43:16 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Packing...
Message-ID: <000801c4a359$6e568fc0$481c0cd0@r7g1f8>

Does anyone have any secrets for packing my NAK to send off to be serviced?  Secrets other than "double boxing".

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 26 03:36:58 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 03:36:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning
References: <BAY22-DAV5wvC3ZdCKg00011483@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV9yPzGNsokL0000bfca@hotmail.com>

Hi Sándor,

That happen when the "Electronics"...due the age of the machine..., changed!
First you do not inform us, if "Regularly"...you clean and demagnetize the heads?
Second to correct what you told us, is need to take away from his wood cabinet (4 coin screw on each corner, and one Philips screw on the back), so the whole machine can be separated from the wood cabinet, and if I remember well on each side of the machine you will found "Alignment" potentiometers, 4 for the cassettes "Bias"...and maybe...!, another 4 for the cassettes "Level". ( 2 for EX and another 2 for SX), maybe if you own the first "edition 1000" instead EX will be named "Normal"...and instead SX..."Chrome"
Those for the "Bias"...I'm 100% sure, because once I "Improved"...my 1000/2 for those after 1990 TDK cassettes! Sorry Sándor...I can't remember more yet what to do!

I hope that you will able to return back the level as was designed!

Sincerely,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sándor István 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:40 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning


  Hello all Nakkers!

  I have a TriTracer 1000 which has some problems. I started yesterday to align this deck, because it was misaligned compared to my other (more often used) Naks, the ZX7 and the RX505.
  It was a nightmare for me. Just finished (2 days later), the cassettes recorded on the TT1000 are now "compatible" with those recorded on the other Naks. (Envy of you to have a Dragon or a CR7 with the playback-azimuth tuning!)

  One of the reasons I write to you is that I found that the Deprez-indicators show (and showed before my "alignign") different levels, even though the output seems to be similar (I connected the output to the ZX7, and monitored the TT100 output's). I even connected it to my computer, and that showed also the signals (Left and Right) are very similar, not so different as the needle-indicators indicated. The ZX7 and the RX505 were professionally adjusted some time ago.
  I found that if I put constant sinus 0dB on both channels, they show the same 0db. But when the signal is dynamic, the left-channel indicator shows ca. 3-4dB less in the peaks. It seems like the left side indicator is too slow to follow the dynamic music (or the right-side indicator is too fast?  :-)) ).

  Can you tell me if Deprez-indicators need any maintenance? A drop of oil to the shaft? Is it possible to do by such a lamer like me? Is it recommended to take it out? I am far not a professional.

  I may have more questions later about this machine, but now it is enough.

  Thank you in advance for your help.

  István


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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Fri Sep 24 23:12:39 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:12:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Repairs
In-Reply-To: <002901c4a269$36b65000$6401a8c0@Study>
Message-ID: <BD7A0607.699F%pokemonoman@mac.com>

ONCE AGAIN PLEASE, WHAT IS THE CORRECT CONTACT INFO FOR THIS GREAT ES LABS?

THANX IN ADVANCE,

PMJ / NAKAMICHI 670ZX OWNER / USER OF ALL CAPS ALWAYS


on 9/24/04 3:03 PM, Paul Koo at paulkoo at comcast.net wrote:

I agree with Robert that ES Lab is the best known and very reputable
company.  If you live in the East Coast and cost is not an issue, ES Lab is
the one.
 
With my CR-7 in the SF Bay Area, I was able to receive adequate walk up
service from a local repair shop without the anxiety of shippng the unit via
Fed EX (UPS would not ship stereo gear without the orignial packaging) to
the East. Hope this help and not add to the confusion of recommendations.
 
I had the fortune of playing back (with my CR7) a copy of the SF Marathon
tape from Robert's CR7 deck.  I agree that the sound was as good as the
master tape.
 
Paul Koo

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From pokemonoman at mac.com  Sat Sep 25 00:30:28 2004
From: pokemonoman at mac.com (POKEMONOJEFF)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:30:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
In-Reply-To: <002e01c4a1e3$3231f740$6500a8c0@B8142DE8>
Message-ID: <BD7A1844.69BD%pokemonoman@mac.com>

THANX ROBERT!!

RE:  "I have a wonderful 670ZX, and I agree the sound is great.  Mine is in
pristine condition, and one of my best performing Naks"

POKEMONOJEFF WRITES:

THIS IS TRUE!! IT MAkes simply ordinary pre-recorded cassettes sound
extra-ordinaily great!!!


I NOW OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THE NAK DIGEST AS A TRUELY GREAT ONE.

RTHANX AND KEEP THOSE CARDS AND LETTERS COMING!!

PMJ/ALL CAPS WITH A VENGENCE



on 9/23/04 11:04 PM, rjkent at comcast.net at rjkent at comcast.net wrote:

Hi Jeff,

I have a wonderful 670ZX, and I agree the sound is great.  Mine is in
pristine condition, and one of my best performing Naks.  The correct remote
is the RM-200, and they do come up on ebay occasionally.  It is a wired
remote, and plugs into one of the two DIN plugs on the back of the unit.  I
don't know if the RM-100 will work or not, but I would guess not.  Nakamichi
did not use consistent pin assignments on their various wired remotes and
they tend to not be interchangeable, with a few exceptions.

Many many months ago, we had some discussions about building IR remotes with
wired receivers, and I was going to give it a´^¼s, but never got around to
it.  You would need the pin assignments to be successful.  If you check the
archives, you might find something useful....one of members had even offered
to build remotes for a modest cost, but I don't remember who it was now.

Robert Kent

Jeffrey Conolly <pokemonoman at earthlink.net> wrote:
HEY FOLKS, I OWN A NEAR MINT NAK 670ZX THAT I GOT CHEAP, ETC...
IT IS REALLY, REALLY NICE, CONDITION, ETC...

WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENED NAKAMICHI REMOTES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE FOR USE
WITH MY 670 ZX/.

I LOOKED AT THE NAK SITE BUT ALL I SAWWAS THIS WEIRDO TERM BEING USED:

"PRESENT" 
YEAH? PRESENT WHAT? PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR? WHAT?

CAN I USE A NAK RM-100 UNIT WITH MY 670 ZX???

CAN I USE OTHER MANUFACTUERS INFARED REMOTES LIKE THE AIWA?

HOW ABOUT THE OTHER INFARED REMOTES???
THANX IN ADVANCE,

PMJ

P.S. I OWN TONS OF OTHER NAKAMICHI PRODUCTS AND CASSETE DECKS AS WELL.
BUT I'M IN LOVE WITH THE GEORGEOUS SOUND OF MY 670ZX....

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From sandorpistike at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 11:18:04 2004
From: sandorpistike at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=E1ndor_Istv=E1n?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:18:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning
References: <BAY22-DAV5wvC3ZdCKg00011483@hotmail.com>
	<BAY18-DAV9yPzGNsokL0000bfca@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY22-DAV25ldfZWjSe0001a85b@hotmail.com>

Hello Alex,
unfortunately I do not even use this nice TT1000 regularly, not speaking of demagnetizing... before the complete procedure I cleaned all parts with propane-2-ol, but I do not have a demagnetizer...

Of course I DID remove the inner part from the main cabinet, and found all the BIAS-adjusting screws on the right side, and there are the rec-cal and test-tone-cal knobs on the rear panel (for access to this rear panel you have NOT to remove the case, they are visible and usable as a normal part of the unit).

The potentiometers on the right side are very scratchy, they feel to be erratic (not stable, not constant I mean).
This unit is a TT1000 (MKI), not the second edition.

Does anyone have any ideas about the Deprez-indicators?

Regards,
István
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alex Cozac 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning


  Hi Sándor,

  That happen when the "Electronics"...due the age of the machine..., changed!
  First you do not inform us, if "Regularly"...you clean and demagnetize the heads?
  Second to correct what you told us, is need to take away from his wood cabinet (4 coin screw on each corner, and one Philips screw on the back), so the whole machine can be separated from the wood cabinet, and if I remember well on each side of the machine you will found "Alignment" potentiometers, 4 for the cassettes "Bias"...and maybe...!, another 4 for the cassettes "Level". ( 2 for EX and another 2 for SX), maybe if you own the first "edition 1000" instead EX will be named "Normal"...and instead SX..."Chrome"
  Those for the "Bias"...I'm 100% sure, because once I "Improved"...my 1000/2 for those after 1990 TDK cassettes! Sorry Sándor...I can't remember more yet what to do!

  I hope that you will able to return back the level as was designed!

  Sincerely,

  ALEX!
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Sándor István 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:40 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning


    Hello all Nakkers!

    I have a TriTracer 1000 which has some problems. I started yesterday to align this deck, because it was misaligned compared to my other (more often used) Naks, the ZX7 and the RX505.
    It was a nightmare for me. Just finished (2 days later), the cassettes recorded on the TT1000 are now "compatible" with those recorded on the other Naks. (Envy of you to have a Dragon or a CR7 with the playback-azimuth tuning!)

    One of the reasons I write to you is that I found that the Deprez-indicators show (and showed before my "alignign") different levels, even though the output seems to be similar (I connected the output to the ZX7, and monitored the TT100 output's). I even connected it to my computer, and that showed also the signals (Left and Right) are very similar, not so different as the needle-indicators indicated. The ZX7 and the RX505 were professionally adjusted some time ago.
    I found that if I put constant sinus 0dB on both channels, they show the same 0db. But when the signal is dynamic, the left-channel indicator shows ca. 3-4dB less in the peaks. It seems like the left side indicator is too slow to follow the dynamic music (or the right-side indicator is too fast?  :-)) ).

    Can you tell me if Deprez-indicators need any maintenance? A drop of oil to the shaft? Is it possible to do by such a lamer like me? Is it recommended to take it out? I am far not a professional.

    I may have more questions later about this machine, but now it is enough.

    Thank you in advance for your help.

    István


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From roleo at telus.net  Sun Sep 26 23:11:44 2004
From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:11:44 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Packing...
References: <000801c4a359$6e568fc0$481c0cd0@r7g1f8>
Message-ID: <005901c4a40d$6d40a620$6401a8c0@desktop>

Randall, 

As for packing a Nakamichi cassette deck, I received this from Jeffrey Galin at ES Labs.  It may sound a little like overkill, but if you want a guaranteed shipment this may be your best, packing instructions designed to for your deck to withstand a 10 foot drop!!   YIKES!! :


NAKAMICHI CASSETTE DECK PACKING INSTRUCTIONS: 

To prevent the cassette door from opening or falling off during shipping, place the unit in a plastic bag, then tightly wrap a band of tape completely around the unit several times, so as to create pressure on the door.  If it has rack handles, remove and pack
them separately from the unit within the same box.

The original Nakamichi box and packing material may not be good enough to protect your machine. Due to it's age, the nylon molded parts become brittle requiring extra packing protection to prevent internal trauma damage.  We recommend that you place the original box into another that is at least 2 inches larger on all 6 sides.  Use paper balls or some other packing material between the two boxes as a shock absorber.

If you don't have the original Nakamichi box and packing material, than using the LARGE bubble plastic wrap material as a shock absorber, tightly wrap and tape MANY layers that are at least 6 INCHES thick covering all 6 surfaces, then fit it SNUG in a STRONG box using extra packing material if necessary.  DO NOT use air bag cushioning or foam peanuts.  The unit must
be positioned in the center of the box and be able to withstand a 10 FOOT drop on a corner, edge or surface!  If you are not doing the packing yourself, observe and instruct the packer to the exact procedure because it's the shipping company's policy to refuse to pay a damage claim if the unit doesn't meet their packing standards.  Therefore, over-pack because many replacement parts are no longer available.

Enclose a note with any specific complaints listed and the services requested along with contact information, including telephone numbers and a return shipping address where someone will be present to sign upon receipt.  Please include a copy of all our previous e-mail correspondence and your e-mail address. We would also like you to send a sample of each tape type for us to tweak the record alignment calibration.

SHIPPING INSTRUCTIONS:
Insure it against loss or damage for replacement value. YOUR name, address and phone number MUST be on the outside of the box or we can't accept the shipment.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Babin/Greseth 
  To: NAKTALK 
  Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 4:43 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Packing...


  Does anyone have any secrets for packing my NAK to send off to be serviced?  Secrets other than "double boxing".

  Randall in Seattle


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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Mon Sep 27 01:44:17 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:44:17 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Repairs
Message-ID: <092620042344.11670.41575451000B555600002D962200750744010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

The web address is:

http://www.eslabs.com/index2.htm

Paul

-------------- Original message -------------- 
ONCE AGAIN PLEASE, WHAT IS THE CORRECT CONTACT INFO FOR THIS GREAT ES LABS?

THANX IN ADVANCE,

PMJ / NAKAMICHI 670ZX OWNER / USER OF ALL CAPS ALWAYS


on 9/24/04 3:03 PM, Paul Koo at paulkoo at comcast.net wrote:


I agree with Robert that ES Lab is the best known and very reputable company. If you live in the East Coast and cost is not an issue, ES Lab is the one.

With my CR-7 in the SF Bay Area, I was able to receive adequate walk up service from a local repair shop without the anxiety of shippng the unit via Fed EX (UPS would not ship stereo gear without the orignial packaging) to the East. Hope this help and not add to the confusion of recommendations.

I had the fortune of playing back (with my CR7) a copy of the SF Marathon tape from Robert's CR7 deck. I agree that the sound was as good as the master tape.


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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 05:43:32 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 05:43:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
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Re: [naktalk] 670ZX RemoteHi Bob!

Again as I try by myself, the "First" issue remote that I acquired with my Nak-700, and still owning till today, was check by myself on all the "Oldies" 700. 700/2 1000, 1000/2, ZXL, and now my today's Dragon and WORKS!!!
So...I do not agree that they changed the cable internally...remain the same to all the "Remote" controlled Nak models, with of course less functions as the TT-700/1000 series have less features or conveniences...that all the more newer ones, however...the "Main Basic"...functions as "Rec Mode Stand Up".Rec...,Stop, Play, FF and REW works!

Happy listening,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: POKEMONOJEFF 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote


  THANX ROBERT!
  YOU ARE A REAL GENTLEMAN AND VERY HELPFUL. 

  PMJ/NAKAMICHI 670ZX OWNER AND USER OF ALL CAPS



  on 9/24/04 2:50 PM, Paul Koo at paulkoo at comcast.net wrote:



      Hi Jeff,

      I have a wonderful 670ZX, and I agree the sound is great.  Mine is in pristine condition, and one of my best performing Naks.  The correct remote is the RM-200, and they do come up on ebay occasionally.  It is a wired remote, and plugs into one of the two DIN plugs on the back of the unit.  I don't know if the RM-100 will work or not, but I would guess not.  Nakamichi did not use consistent pin assignments on their various wired remotes and they tend to not be interchangeable, with a few exceptions.

      Many many months ago, we had some discussions about building IR remotes with wired receivers, and I was going to give it a try, but never got around to it.  You would need the pin assignments to be successful.  If you check the archives, you might find something useful....one of members had even offered to build remotes for a modest cost, but I don't remember who it was now.


  Robert Kent



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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 05:46:04 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 05:46:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS
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Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS100 Agree!!! As I own one that is truly true!!!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nelson 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 670ZX REMOTE CONTROL UNITS


  PMJ said:  " HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER HEARD MORE PERFECT PLAYBACK FROM AN ORDINARY PRE-RECORDED CASSETTE THAN THROUGH MY EBAY PURCHASED 670ZX PERIOD."

  That's cos' you've not heard a Dragon ... 

  Gra'




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From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 06:33:44 2004
From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:33:44 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] User Manual (or download) needed for TD-250s
	mobile(in-car) cassette/receiver
Message-ID: <BAY22-F8UcOV1EetVoM0000d8b9@hotmail.com>


Hi,

I used ot have one of these but I don't have the manual anymore. I got one 
from Nak USA before so have you tried them?

>From: "Jason Stephens" <jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] User Manual (or download) needed for TD-250s 
>mobile(in-car) cassette/receiver
>Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:35:08 +0100
>
>Hello...
>
>Please can someone help?
>I'm looking for a user manual for a Nakamichi TD-250s Mobile Receiver /
>Cassette Deck.
>I've searched nakamichi.com, nakamichi.co.jp and emailed B&W (in the UK) to
>no avail!
>Can anyone advise where I can download or locate a manual.
>
>Regards,
>Jas
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 07:25:14 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:25:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 Pinch Roller Problem
References: <20040925135201.45501.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV16Hh2wLCVY000173e1@hotmail.com>

Hi Jeff,

Try first before spell money, to clean and degauss very deep and carefully all the heads and surrounds! Can be that the single capstan is dirty, so the pinch roller do not touch well the tape!

Inform us your results!

Cheers,

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Stephen 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 3:52 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 Pinch Roller Problem


  Hi,

  I picked up a 480 at a thrift store.  Heads, belts, capstans seem to be in nice shape, but there is a flutter in play and record.  I've sourced this to one of the pinch rollers not engaging to pinch the tape.

  Is there an easy fix or would I have to get the unit serviced by a professional?

  Thanks in advance for your help.

  Jeff




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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Mon Sep 27 17:51:18 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:51:18 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 Pinch Roller Problem
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To clean the rubber pinch roller, use a cotton swap dipped in 100% isopropol alcohol.  Change swap until brown color (tape?)  turns to black (rubber).  You may try a rubber conditioner from Caig Lab (a small bottle lasts the life of you deck).  If indeed the problem is the pinch roller, this should do the trick.

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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Mon Sep 27 19:14:27 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:14:27 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
Message-ID: <092720041714.23171.41584A72000BE9E100005A832200750784010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

Thanks,

I am going to purchase the Nak remote from ES Lab.

Paul


> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> I don't know about the Sony remotes but if you have a Pronto I can send you 
> the CR-7 .ccf files that works with the Prontot. I use this with my CR-7.
> 
> Kelvin.
> 
> 
> >From: "Paul Koo" <paulkoo at comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> >To: <rjkent at comcast.net>,        "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" 
> ><naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
> >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:50:07 -0700
> >
> >Hi Robert,
> >
> >On the subject of remotes.  I have a CR-7 as you know (displayed but not 
> >used at your home during the SF Nak gathering).  I am in need of a remote.  
> >Do you know if the Sony learning remotes can copy codes from the CR7 
> >wireless remote?  Thanks for any help you can provide.
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 21:34:50 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:34:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning
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Dear Sándor,

First you MUST try to find/loan a demagnetizer...and demagnetize all the heads and capstan, pinch rollers etc...
Second I forgot to ask you, IF...the "Calibrated" seal is there protecting the playback head? IF NOT...the previous owner attempt/move or discalibrated the playback head, and for so...the sound is erratic!
Try also to clean with some "Contact Cleaner"...such "Bias potentiometers, spray the cleaner, and move all the potentiometer traying to remember where was set up; before you clean it.
Also as the machine is from 1973 > 1977 made, parts changed their values as caps, resistances, etc..., it's a imperative to do a lot of work on it!

Good Luck!!!!

ALEX!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sándor István 
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning


  Hello Alex,
  unfortunately I do not even use this nice TT1000 regularly, not speaking of demagnetizing... before the complete procedure I cleaned all parts with propane-2-ol, but I do not have a demagnetizer...

  Of course I DID remove the inner part from the main cabinet, and found all the BIAS-adjusting screws on the right side, and there are the rec-cal and test-tone-cal knobs on the rear panel (for access to this rear panel you have NOT to remove the case, they are visible and usable as a normal part of the unit).

  The potentiometers on the right side are very scratchy, they feel to be erratic (not stable, not constant I mean).
  This unit is a TT1000 (MKI), not the second edition.

  Does anyone have any ideas about the Deprez-indicators?

  Regards,
  István
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Alex Cozac 
    To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
    Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:36 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning


    Hi Sándor,

    That happen when the "Electronics"...due the age of the machine..., changed!
    First you do not inform us, if "Regularly"...you clean and demagnetize the heads?
    Second to correct what you told us, is need to take away from his wood cabinet (4 coin screw on each corner, and one Philips screw on the back), so the whole machine can be separated from the wood cabinet, and if I remember well on each side of the machine you will found "Alignment" potentiometers, 4 for the cassettes "Bias"...and maybe...!, another 4 for the cassettes "Level". ( 2 for EX and another 2 for SX), maybe if you own the first "edition 1000" instead EX will be named "Normal"...and instead SX..."Chrome"
    Those for the "Bias"...I'm 100% sure, because once I "Improved"...my 1000/2 for those after 1990 TDK cassettes! Sorry Sándor...I can't remember more yet what to do!

    I hope that you will able to return back the level as was designed!

    Sincerely,

    ALEX!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Sándor István 
      To: naktalk at naks.com 
      Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:40 PM
      Subject: [naktalk] TT1000 aligning


      Hello all Nakkers!

      I have a TriTracer 1000 which has some problems. I started yesterday to align this deck, because it was misaligned compared to my other (more often used) Naks, the ZX7 and the RX505.
      It was a nightmare for me. Just finished (2 days later), the cassettes recorded on the TT1000 are now "compatible" with those recorded on the other Naks. (Envy of you to have a Dragon or a CR7 with the playback-azimuth tuning!)

      One of the reasons I write to you is that I found that the Deprez-indicators show (and showed before my "alignign") different levels, even though the output seems to be similar (I connected the output to the ZX7, and monitored the TT100 output's). I even connected it to my computer, and that showed also the signals (Left and Right) are very similar, not so different as the needle-indicators indicated. The ZX7 and the RX505 were professionally adjusted some time ago.
      I found that if I put constant sinus 0dB on both channels, they show the same 0db. But when the signal is dynamic, the left-channel indicator shows ca. 3-4dB less in the peaks. It seems like the left side indicator is too slow to follow the dynamic music (or the right-side indicator is too fast?  :-)) ).

      Can you tell me if Deprez-indicators need any maintenance? A drop of oil to the shaft? Is it possible to do by such a lamer like me? Is it recommended to take it out? I am far not a professional.

      I may have more questions later about this machine, but now it is enough.

      Thank you in advance for your help.

      István


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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Tue Sep 28 02:53:14 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:53:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
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FWIW, they were going to sell me a new remote for $250.  Be prepared to pay.
You could also try audioclassics.com as they sometimes list a remote for 
$49.99 but used.



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>I am going to purchase the Nak remote from ES Lab.
>
>Paul
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> >
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > I don't know about the Sony remotes but if you have a Pronto I can send 
> you
> > the CR-7 .ccf files that works with the Prontot. I use this with my CR-7.
> >
> > Kelvin.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Paul Koo" <paulkoo at comcast.net>
> > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >To: <rjkent at comcast.net>,        "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> > ><naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
> > >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:50:07 -0700
> > >
> > >Hi Robert,
> > >
> > >On the subject of remotes.  I have a CR-7 as you know (displayed but not
> > >used at your home during the SF Nak gathering).  I am in need of a 
> remote.
> > >Do you know if the Sony learning remotes can copy codes from the CR7
> > >wireless remote?  Thanks for any help you can provide.
> > >
> > >Paul Koo
> >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Sep 28 13:01:50 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:01:50 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi mx-100
In-Reply-To: <BD7A0E19.69AD%pokemonoman@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000401c4a54a$8e20e560$14c34c51@oemcomputer>

Re: [naktalk] nakamichi mx-100I use an old Aiwa deck the same way, as a
mixer.  However, it lacks a Centre channel.  But it has those nice slider
controls with calibration along the side, making it easy to use and re-set
to the same levels if manually fading up.

Gra'
  -----Original Message-----
  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf
Of POKEMONOJEFF
  Sent: 24 September 2004 22:47
  To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi mx-100


  on 9/24/04 8:19 AM, Steffanus Kor at steffanus.kor at tiscali.fr wrote:


    Hello,


  I am searching for a Nakamichi mx-100 microphonemixer for my Nak 582. I
live in France and I am a lot in Holland(because I'm Dutch) If you would
have some microphones with it that would be great also. Of cause everything
in good condition. Thanks a lot, Steffanu

  HERE'S A REAL SOLUTION OKLAY?

  I ACTUALLY HAVE A SPARE NAKAMICHI PORTABLE CASSETE DECK WITH THE THREE
MICROPHONE INPUTS.
  LEFT, RIGHT AND CENTER.
  IT IS A CASSETTE DECK, YES, BUT CAN EASILY AND ALSO BE USED AS A MIXER.
  I WAS SAVING THIS SPARE UNIT FOR PARTS, BUT I GUESS I COUILDS SELL IKT AS
A REAL NAKAMCHI MANUFACTURED THREE CHANNEL MIXER.
  THIS IS THEC EXACT SAME ELECTRONICS (MORE OR LESS I'M QUITE CERTAIN) AS
THE STASND ALONE MIXER THAT YOU MENTIONJ.

  ANYWAYS, JUST AN IDEA...

  PMJ/ALL CAPS ADVOCATE

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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 28 15:44:30 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:44:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: What's happened to Naktalk?
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6BE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV10aJY4kJSF000805fa@hotmail.com>

Hi..., my superb Friends;

Seems me that all are very busy!...or maybe busy for what happens in US 
(Hurricane and soon elections?), that NO have time to chat with us?????

However, I hope that we will go forward, enjoying our lovely Nak machines!

Be all of you well, and thanks so much Mark for your Noble action/effort 
responding my questions on my so many varieties of cassettes types & brands, 
Axia is the "Local Japan's named Fuji ones"...an a lovely cassette!!!

Cheers,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Mark Hugo'" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>; <alexcozac at hotmail.com>; "Thomas 
Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>; <richard at richardhess.com>; 
<fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
Cc: <kjbleus at charter.net>; <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>; 
<graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>; <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:23 PM
Subject: What's happened to Naktalk?


>
> Howdy all, long time no write. What has happened to Naktalk, I have not
> received anything. Any further news on the Marathon tape ver 2?
>
> Tom.
>


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From ti at amb.org  Tue Sep 28 20:54:02 2004
From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:54:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: What's happened to Naktalk?
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV10aJY4kJSF000805fa@hotmail.com> from "Alex Cozac" at
	Sep 28, 2004 03:44:30 PM
Message-ID: <20040928185402.82370D598@smtp.amb.org>

Alex Cozac writes:
> Hi..., my superb Friends;
> 
> Seems me that all are very busy!...or maybe busy for what happens in US 
> (Hurricane and soon elections?), that NO have time to chat with us?????
> 
> However, I hope that we will go forward, enjoying our lovely Nak machines!
> 
> Be all of you well, and thanks so much Mark for your Noble action/effort 
> responding my questions on my so many varieties of cassettes types & brands, 
> Axia is the "Local Japan's named Fuji ones"...an a lovely cassette!!!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> ALEX!

Hi Alex,

I guess we're all busy enjoying our Naks! :)

I had a friend over to my house to listen to music, and I demonstrated
my Nak Dragon playing a good recording on a TDK MA-XG and he was very
impressed.  This is a young friend that didn't live through the of history
of cassettes and went straight into digital.  Now he wants my Dragon!

-Ti


From menelaos at stls.verio.net  Tue Sep 28 20:05:41 2004
From: menelaos at stls.verio.net (Menelaos Karamichalis)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:05:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: What's happened to Naktalk?
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV10aJY4kJSF000805fa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10409281240350.3834-100000@admin.starnet.net>

I was quiet because I was busy taking my RX-202 and my MR-2 apart. ;-)  

I am very happy to report that cleaning the idler "tire" on the RX-202 has
improved its operational status considerably.  I used the head cleaner of
some Sun Microsystems tape drive that I had laying around, but may try MEK
or S-721H some day.  I still need to replace the idler "tire", which I
will be buying from MCM Electronics (thanks for the tip on this source,
Listers!).  Maybe I developed lots of patience from working on German
cars, but I did not find the removal and re-installation of the metal
plate in the back of the tape well that difficult.

The reason for the "emergency" repairs on my RX-202 is that the left
channel on my MR-2 decided to become occassionally inoperative.  I think
some mailman must have ...kicked the box a few too many times while it was
making it way from Puerto Rico to here. ;-) I know the unit worked fine
before it got shipped.  For now, I have the rubber pad from an old Cisco
router propping up the edge of the circuit board and everything works just
fine, but I will have to find the loose connection and fix it properly.
BTW, I like how the headphone volume level and the output level can be
controlled independent of each other on the MR-2.  

Keep on NAKking :-)

Menelaos






From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 28 21:30:35 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:30:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: What's happened to Naktalk?
References: <20040928185402.82370D598@smtp.amb.org>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV11oPAzdaQY0001db10@hotmail.com>

Hi Ti,

Go forward...look for him a Dragon!!!

Yes...as I'm now a pensioner, today I changed all my tubes on my preamp & 
power, with those "Newer Fabricated" JJ E34L "Blue" tinted glass...seems 
that I must wait for at least 150 hours for "Break Up"..after so the sound 
will be fine, on my lovely ARC-SP-9/2 I fitted NOS Amperex 6922 Golden pins, 
and such scarce/expensive (Today...!), small tubes do not need any "Break 
Up" time.

Be well,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ti Kan" <ti at amb.org>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: What's happened to Naktalk?


> Alex Cozac writes:
>> Hi..., my superb Friends;
>>
>> Seems me that all are very busy!...or maybe busy for what happens in US
>> (Hurricane and soon elections?), that NO have time to chat with us?????
>>
>> However, I hope that we will go forward, enjoying our lovely Nak 
>> machines!
>>
>> Be all of you well, and thanks so much Mark for your Noble action/effort
>> responding my questions on my so many varieties of cassettes types & 
>> brands,
>> Axia is the "Local Japan's named Fuji ones"...an a lovely cassette!!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> ALEX!
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I guess we're all busy enjoying our Naks! :)
>
> I had a friend over to my house to listen to music, and I demonstrated
> my Nak Dragon playing a good recording on a TDK MA-XG and he was very
> impressed.  This is a young friend that didn't live through the of history
> of cassettes and went straight into digital.  Now he wants my Dragon!
>
> -Ti
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Sep 29 09:08:44 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:08:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tapes!!!  and my confused replies...
Message-ID: <s15a80ed.014@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Hi Tom,

Thanks for that info - I had a sneaking suspicion that that paper label
SA went back further, so thanks very much for that info.  Strangely, I
also have a lone SA with an identical paper shell cover, but with C90 in
orange!!  The window is the same small size.

That sounds like a truly incredible collection (900) and when you have
an opportunity to "expose" them to us - we're right here!!

All the best,

Marc



>>> Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au> 09/29/04
12:03AM >>>
Hi Marc, these are some great gems. Just referring to the photo of the
TDK
photo (bottom right), this dates back to 1977 vintage! I have a huge
wad of
these including the updated 1979 versions which had a slightly larger
viewing window and introduced the red clip on the reels to hold the
actual
tape onto the reel. I wish I had d digital camera to phtograph some of
my
collection (over 900 tapes) and pass them onto you all. Alex are you
enjoying the Nikon D70, I wish I had that model.

	Take care you all!

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] 
Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:56
To: alexcozac at hotmail.com; Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au;
richard at richardhess.com; fidelman at telcel.net.ve 
Cc: kjbleus at charter.net; smarzuki at indosat.net.id;
graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk; wheijke at xs4all.nl 
Subject: Tapes!!! and my confused replies...


Hi Alex, Shalom and I hope you had a pleasant Yom Kippur weekend!!

To all others (Graham, Tom in Aussie (who I'm sure is a collector),
Salim, Mr Fidelman in Venezuela, Wouter, Mr Bleus and Richard Hess)  -
hope I haven't left anyone out.....

I just sent that other commentary - but actually on the wrong
photograph  - I had printed it out to look at it as I wrote and so all
of you are probably trying to work out what I am talking about!!  So,
this refers to the photos you all revieved and the previous commentary
refers to the pic attached to this mail.........  To avoid further
confusion I have attached all the other pics too - so need to rummage
in
your mail......

There's a photo of three TDK SAs.  The one on the top is an SA from
approximately 1985-1988.  You will notice the metallic type transfer
and
the "C90" in green still remains from the earlier styling.  

On the bottom right hand corner is the earlier 1981-1985 with the
paper
labelling, yet "C90" is in the characteristic green.  There is only
reference to "Noise Reduction" - as Dolby C was still not very common.

Early applications of that technology go back to approx. 1982.

The TDK SA on the bottom left dates back much more recently than the
above two - to the early to mid-nineties.  It looks like an SPIII
mechanism but I can't be sure.

On the third photo in that collection of 4 pics - the pair of SA100s
dates from 88-92, but this one is almost certainly the latter part of
those five years as 100 minute tapes were most unusual until the 90s.

On the second pic - the SA90 sitting on the de-magnetiser - this is
the
'85-'88 ish era - typified by the slightly larger window than the
early
to mid-eighties versions and the metallic label transfer.  Later
still,
the green "C90" would be dropped and the "SA"  would be blue on a
silver
background - all metallic.  AD on the other hand would be silver on a
blue background - but that's another story.

Go well all - and happy recording!!

Marc

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Sep 28 22:15:53 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:15:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040927205219.01b7b810@pop.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <005e01c4a597$f4a957c0$15c587d9@oemcomputer>

I got my mint RM-200 on German eBay for about $50.  

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of roland
> Sent: 28 September 2004 01:53
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
> 
> 
> FWIW, they were going to sell me a new remote for $250.  Be 
> prepared to pay.
> You could also try audioclassics.com as they sometimes list a remote for 
> $49.99 but used.
> 
> 
> 
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From alexcozac at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 29 05:34:09 2004
From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 05:34:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tapes!!!  and my confused replies...
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6BF@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV17GzrLCCtg0001fd6b@hotmail.com>

Hi Tom,

YES...all those photos was made with my Nikon D-70/Kit lens on the shade, 
however next time I will use my Linhof Pro tripod for much better resolution 
and sharpness.

Thanks for your superb eyes/knowledge on TDK tapes, same to Mark that take 
his valuable time explaining me and to all our lovely forum about my 
received bunch of used or newer tapes!

I hope that all the members of our forum will be well ever!!! (So can enjoy 
such lovely Naks!!!)

Sincerely,

ALEX!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
To: "'Mark Hugo'" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>; <alexcozac at hotmail.com>; "Thomas 
Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>; <richard at richardhess.com>; 
<fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
Cc: <kjbleus at charter.net>; <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>; 
<graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>; <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: RE: Tapes!!! and my confused replies...


> Hi Marc, these are some great gems. Just referring to the photo of the TDK
> photo (bottom right), this dates back to 1977 vintage! I have a huge wad 
> of
> these including the updated 1979 versions which had a slightly larger
> viewing window and introduced the red clip on the reels to hold the actual
> tape onto the reel. I wish I had d digital camera to phtograph some of my
> collection (over 900 tapes) and pass them onto you all. Alex are you
> enjoying the Nikon D70, I wish I had that model.
>
> Take care you all!
>
> Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:56
> To: alexcozac at hotmail.com; Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au;
> richard at richardhess.com; fidelman at telcel.net.ve
> Cc: kjbleus at charter.net; smarzuki at indosat.net.id;
> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk; wheijke at xs4all.nl
> Subject: Tapes!!! and my confused replies...
>
>
> Hi Alex, Shalom and I hope you had a pleasant Yom Kippur weekend!!
>
> To all others (Graham, Tom in Aussie (who I'm sure is a collector),
> Salim, Mr Fidelman in Venezuela, Wouter, Mr Bleus and Richard Hess)  -
> hope I haven't left anyone out.....
>
> I just sent that other commentary - but actually on the wrong
> photograph  - I had printed it out to look at it as I wrote and so all
> of you are probably trying to work out what I am talking about!!  So,
> this refers to the photos you all revieved and the previous commentary
> refers to the pic attached to this mail.........  To avoid further
> confusion I have attached all the other pics too - so need to rummage in
> your mail......
>
> There's a photo of three TDK SAs.  The one on the top is an SA from
> approximately 1985-1988.  You will notice the metallic type transfer and
> the "C90" in green still remains from the earlier styling.
>
> On the bottom right hand corner is the earlier 1981-1985 with the paper
> labelling, yet "C90" is in the characteristic green.  There is only
> reference to "Noise Reduction" - as Dolby C was still not very common.
> Early applications of that technology go back to approx. 1982.
>
> The TDK SA on the bottom left dates back much more recently than the
> above two - to the early to mid-nineties.  It looks like an SPIII
> mechanism but I can't be sure.
>
> On the third photo in that collection of 4 pics - the pair of SA100s
> dates from 88-92, but this one is almost certainly the latter part of
> those five years as 100 minute tapes were most unusual until the 90s.
>
> On the second pic - the SA90 sitting on the de-magnetiser - this is the
> '85-'88 ish era - typified by the slightly larger window than the early
> to mid-eighties versions and the metallic label transfer.  Later still,
> the green "C90" would be dropped and the "SA"  would be blue on a silver
> background - all metallic.  AD on the other hand would be silver on a
> blue background - but that's another story.
>
> Go well all - and happy recording!!
>
> Marc
>
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> more
>
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From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Sep 29 10:08:57 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:08:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk & Marathon MkII?and...Tape-to-Tape recording
Message-ID: <s15a90ea.037@mroute.sunint.co.za>

You know Mr Bleus, 

You're quite right about tape-to-tape transfers.  The same old
commentary that passes for absolute science (if it's repeated often
enough it becomes true, right!!) that there's a 3dB loss in dynamic
range (due to the constantly raised noise floor with each generation of
copying) is simply not true with these very high-end machines.  I can
accept that it is indeed the case with a mid-priced dual dubber from
Kenwood (or whatever), but the way you did your exercise Madison last
night.........

My experience is that frequency range is not affected at all. 
Stability seems unaffected.  However, particulalry with a first gen.
copy, with such hardware and tape stock - you can expect exceptional
results.

I can understand why tape traders always preferred Maxell's high
senitivity formulations, as they reduced the need for Dolby NR.  They
too, recommended using high quality decks, as they knew the costly
effect of generational loss with sub-standard machines.  But having said
that, I have heard third and fourth gen soundboard originated tapes from
concerts, and they sounded incredibly good!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net> 09/29/04 04:20AM >>>
You guys just caught me with these emails today, when I happen to have
a
free evening here in Madison, Wisc USA.  Listening to a Beatles
singles
compilation I'm recording for my buddy in Caracas, Venezuela. 
Transposing
from a master metal bias tape using Nak RX-505 to direct recording on
ZX-7.
Using Maxell MX cassette tape, and its sounding tip-top and classy. 
This
kind of Beatles music is extraordinarily timeless.  Who ever said that
analogue to analogue results in discernable fidelity loss?  Not at
least as
my 50 year old ears can detect using monitoring headphones!

Oh, by the way, I also have not yet received the Marathon MkII discs.
Magnifico Carlos replied to me last week that he's been a bit behind
schedule, due to hurricane force storms passing about the Puerto Rico
Isles,
but the remainder of postal deliveries should be processed soon.

Best regards, my dear Nakkers.......

Bleus


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Cc: "'Mark Hugo'" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>; <alexcozac at hotmail.com>;
<richard at richardhess.com>; <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>;
<kjbleus at charter.net>;
<smarzuki at indosat.net.id>; <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: What's happened to Naktalk?


> Naktalk does seem a bit quiet ... I was wondering if it isn't
working
again
> for a moment, and even checked that my ISP isn't blocking the mails
as if
> they were SPAM!  (One of the guys had that problem.)  I'm still
waiting
for
> my Marathon tape CD to arrive.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: 28 September 2004 13:23
> > To: 'Mark Hugo'; alexcozac at hotmail.com; Thomas Siomopoulos;
> > richard at richardhess.com; fidelman at telcel.net.ve 
> > Cc: kjbleus at charter.net; smarzuki at indosat.net.id;
> > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk; wheijke at xs4all.nl 
> > Subject: What's happened to Naktalk?
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy all, long time no write. What has happened to Naktalk, I have
not
> > received anything. Any further news on the Marathon tape ver 2?
> >
> > Tom.
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Sep 29 23:55:35 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:55:35 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6C8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Cool! That is a pretty decent price for such a remote.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2004 6:16
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote


I got my mint RM-200 on German eBay for about $50.  

Gra'

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> Behalf Of roland
> Sent: 28 September 2004 01:53
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
> 
> 
> FWIW, they were going to sell me a new remote for $250.  Be 
> prepared to pay.
> You could also try audioclassics.com as they sometimes list a remote for 
> $49.99 but used.
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Sep 29 23:55:53 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:55:53 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk & Marathon MkII?and...Tape-to-Tape reco
	rding
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6C9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I totally agree!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2004 6:09
To: kjbleus at charter.net; naktalk at naks.com;
graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk
Cc: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au; wheijke at xs4all.nl;
copytec at coqui.net; smarzuki at indosat.net.id; richard at richardhess.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk & Marathon MkII?and...Tape-to-Tape
recording


You know Mr Bleus, 

You're quite right about tape-to-tape transfers.  The same old
commentary that passes for absolute science (if it's repeated often
enough it becomes true, right!!) that there's a 3dB loss in dynamic
range (due to the constantly raised noise floor with each generation of
copying) is simply not true with these very high-end machines.  I can
accept that it is indeed the case with a mid-priced dual dubber from
Kenwood (or whatever), but the way you did your exercise Madison last
night.........

My experience is that frequency range is not affected at all. 
Stability seems unaffected.  However, particulalry with a first gen.
copy, with such hardware and tape stock - you can expect exceptional
results.

I can understand why tape traders always preferred Maxell's high
senitivity formulations, as they reduced the need for Dolby NR.  They
too, recommended using high quality decks, as they knew the costly
effect of generational loss with sub-standard machines.  But having said
that, I have heard third and fourth gen soundboard originated tapes from
concerts, and they sounded incredibly good!!

Cheers,

Marc

>>> "KJ Bleus" <kjbleus at charter.net> 09/29/04 04:20AM >>>
You guys just caught me with these emails today, when I happen to have
a
free evening here in Madison, Wisc USA.  Listening to a Beatles
singles
compilation I'm recording for my buddy in Caracas, Venezuela. 
Transposing
from a master metal bias tape using Nak RX-505 to direct recording on
ZX-7.
Using Maxell MX cassette tape, and its sounding tip-top and classy. 
This
kind of Beatles music is extraordinarily timeless.  Who ever said that
analogue to analogue results in discernable fidelity loss?  Not at
least as
my 50 year old ears can detect using monitoring headphones!

Oh, by the way, I also have not yet received the Marathon MkII discs.
Magnifico Carlos replied to me last week that he's been a bit behind
schedule, due to hurricane force storms passing about the Puerto Rico
Isles,
but the remainder of postal deliveries should be processed soon.

Best regards, my dear Nakkers.......

Bleus


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Cc: "'Mark Hugo'" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>; <alexcozac at hotmail.com>;
<richard at richardhess.com>; <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>;
<kjbleus at charter.net>;
<smarzuki at indosat.net.id>; <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: What's happened to Naktalk?


> Naktalk does seem a bit quiet ... I was wondering if it isn't
working
again
> for a moment, and even checked that my ISP isn't blocking the mails
as if
> they were SPAM!  (One of the guys had that problem.)  I'm still
waiting
for
> my Marathon tape CD to arrive.
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] 
> > Sent: 28 September 2004 13:23
> > To: 'Mark Hugo'; alexcozac at hotmail.com; Thomas Siomopoulos;
> > richard at richardhess.com; fidelman at telcel.net.ve 
> > Cc: kjbleus at charter.net; smarzuki at indosat.net.id;
> > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk; wheijke at xs4all.nl 
> > Subject: What's happened to Naktalk?
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy all, long time no write. What has happened to Naktalk, I have
not
> > received anything. Any further news on the Marathon tape ver 2?
> >
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Sep 30 00:10:27 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:10:27 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tapes!!!  and my confused replies...
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6CA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I'd love to show you the vast variety of tapes I have. About 6 months ago I
received from e-bay the first chrome tape that TDK ever did, it was called
the TDK KR. I poped it in my ZX9 and performed some calibration tests and it
still performed very well! Blues, you have a great collection of tapes,
major drool factor here! I love how the Maxells feel in your hands, such a
smooth shell, and what can I say about the sound - perfect! The TDK's you
have there are quite awesome too, those third gen MA-XG's are fantastic. I
have a few still unopened and only use for my special recording using
High-Com II - WOW what a sound. Bleus you have a great looking and tidy
studio, you should see how I have stacked my tapes - about 12-15 of those
tape drawers stacked on top of each other!

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2004 5:09
To: alexcozac at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com;
Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au; richard at richardhess.com;
fidelman at telcel.net.ve
Cc: kjbleus at charter.net; wheijke at xs4all.nl;
graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk; smarzuki at indosat.net.id
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tapes!!! and my confused replies...


Hi Tom,

Thanks for that info - I had a sneaking suspicion that that paper label
SA went back further, so thanks very much for that info.  Strangely, I
also have a lone SA with an identical paper shell cover, but with C90 in
orange!!  The window is the same small size.

That sounds like a truly incredible collection (900) and when you have
an opportunity to "expose" them to us - we're right here!!

All the best,

Marc



>>> Thomas Siomopoulos <Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au> 09/29/04
12:03AM >>>
Hi Marc, these are some great gems. Just referring to the photo of the
TDK
photo (bottom right), this dates back to 1977 vintage! I have a huge
wad of
these including the updated 1979 versions which had a slightly larger
viewing window and introduced the red clip on the reels to hold the
actual
tape onto the reel. I wish I had d digital camera to phtograph some of
my
collection (over 900 tapes) and pass them onto you all. Alex are you
enjoying the Nikon D70, I wish I had that model.

	Take care you all!

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] 
Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:56
To: alexcozac at hotmail.com; Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au;
richard at richardhess.com; fidelman at telcel.net.ve 
Cc: kjbleus at charter.net; smarzuki at indosat.net.id;
graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk; wheijke at xs4all.nl 
Subject: Tapes!!! and my confused replies...


Hi Alex, Shalom and I hope you had a pleasant Yom Kippur weekend!!

To all others (Graham, Tom in Aussie (who I'm sure is a collector),
Salim, Mr Fidelman in Venezuela, Wouter, Mr Bleus and Richard Hess)  -
hope I haven't left anyone out.....

I just sent that other commentary - but actually on the wrong
photograph  - I had printed it out to look at it as I wrote and so all
of you are probably trying to work out what I am talking about!!  So,
this refers to the photos you all revieved and the previous commentary
refers to the pic attached to this mail.........  To avoid further
confusion I have attached all the other pics too - so need to rummage
in
your mail......

There's a photo of three TDK SAs.  The one on the top is an SA from
approximately 1985-1988.  You will notice the metallic type transfer
and
the "C90" in green still remains from the earlier styling.  

On the bottom right hand corner is the earlier 1981-1985 with the
paper
labelling, yet "C90" is in the characteristic green.  There is only
reference to "Noise Reduction" - as Dolby C was still not very common.

Early applications of that technology go back to approx. 1982.

The TDK SA on the bottom left dates back much more recently than the
above two - to the early to mid-nineties.  It looks like an SPIII
mechanism but I can't be sure.

On the third photo in that collection of 4 pics - the pair of SA100s
dates from 88-92, but this one is almost certainly the latter part of
those five years as 100 minute tapes were most unusual until the 90s.

On the second pic - the SA90 sitting on the de-magnetiser - this is
the
'85-'88 ish era - typified by the slightly larger window than the
early
to mid-eighties versions and the metallic label transfer.  Later
still,
the green "C90" would be dropped and the "SA"  would be blue on a
silver
background - all metallic.  AD on the other hand would be silver on a
blue background - but that's another story.

Go well all - and happy recording!!

Marc

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From paulkoo at comcast.net  Wed Sep 29 19:50:21 2004
From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:50:21 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
Message-ID: <092920041750.5641.415AF5DD000931EB000016092200734830010105049A0E9F@comcast.net>

ES Lab quoted me a price of $275 for the remote which is more than I pay for the CR7A.  Audio Classic lost the remote they have listed on the web.  I finally spoke to Jeff Galen at ES Lab who then was willing to part with a new remote for $100 instead of $275.  I will copy the code from it to a Sony learning remote just in case there are no more replacements.

Thanks for all the help.

Paul


> FWIW, they were going to sell me a new remote for $250.  Be prepared to pay.
> You could also try audioclassics.com as they sometimes list a remote for 
> $49.99 but used.
> 
> 
> 
> At 05:14 PM 9/27/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> >Thanks,
> >
> >I am going to purchase the Nak remote from ES Lab.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Paul,
> > >
> > > I don't know about the Sony remotes but if you have a Pronto I can send 
> > you
> > > the CR-7 .ccf files that works with the Prontot. I use this with my CR-7.
> > >
> > > Kelvin.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Paul Koo" <paulkoo at comcast.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >To: <rjkent at comcast.net>,        "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"
> > > ><naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
> > > >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:50:07 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Hi Robert,
> > > >
> > > >On the subject of remotes.  I have a CR-7 as you know (displayed but not
> > > >used at your home during the SF Nak gathering).  I am in need of a 
> > remote.
> > > >Do you know if the Sony learning remotes can copy codes from the CR7
> > > >wireless remote?  Thanks for any help you can provide.
> > > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Sep 30 00:44:40 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:44:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6C8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <000201c4a675$e7f9aaa0$a7aa4e51@oemcomputer>

Yeah but the long lead makes it look like I'm taking a dog for a walk when I
use it, and that ain't as cool as an infra-red remote!!  <<grin>>

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos
> Sent: 29 September 2004 22:56
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
>
>
> Cool! That is a pretty decent price for such a remote.
>
> 	Tom.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2004 6:16
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
>
>
> I got my mint RM-200 on German eBay for about $50.
>
> Gra'
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From sendigitall at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 30 09:24:45 2004
From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:24:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] auto repeat function ...?
In-Reply-To: <200409231726.i8NHQZ6g029104@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <20040930072445.21827.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>


hi 

  i own a cassette deck 1.5 ....but i dont have any manuals ....i just wanted to know ..how to use the auto repeat function ?..first of all i hope the auto repeat function works like this ...we determine a specific time in the counter after which it automatically rewinds and plays from the start...or 0000.all these happens without us needing to push any button ??...and the process repeats it self over and over ...is it so?...cause the "counter search" button can rewind upto the 0000 and play from there when ever we press it in play mode .....

                 so anyway ..the cassette deck 1.5 has a selector from which we can select auto repeat ...and at the counter it has the counter search and counter reset buttons ...rest are the normal play and cue controls ..so wat should i do to get an auto repeat working with these controls .And is there any thing else i need to know about a cassette deck 1.5 ....cause this is my first nak ......thanks


		
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From rkunst at C-K.com  Thu Sep 30 01:00:51 2004
From: rkunst at C-K.com (Ray Kunst)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:00:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES 
In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6CA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
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NOS
SONY
METAL MASTER
SUPER AUDIO
CASSETTE TAPES
FOR SALE 

$64.99 ea!!!

http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm

Is it me? Or is this out of control??
If not, should I snatch them up??
We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
Are they that much better??

http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm





From Mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Sep 30 17:09:54 2004
From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:09:54 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <s15c3dec.081@mroute.sunint.co.za>

Yes!!

It does seem crazy!!  And I'm sure we've all had a good laugh, mainly
because we have a couple of super-metals smugly stashed away.  But of
course, from a viewpoint of demand/supply economics, the value of
anything is determined by the price at which it will change hands.  And
these things are moving off his/her shelves!!  

However, having said that, they are simply fantastic tapes.  I am a
great fan of Maxell XLII-S.  It's probably my favourite type II. 
However, a SSMM is a type IV and will beat it soundly (pardon the pun)
on every measurable rating in the book, have no fear of that.  The
levels of fidelity possible are of the highest order and it cannot be
wasted on either substandard equipment or find it's way into the hands
of amateurs.  This sort of pricing will make sure of that.

The way to use a cassette such as this is on a top quality deck,
recording from virgin vinyl or master tape on a very high-end analogue
system.  I suggest analogue so as to keep the analogue format all the
way through.  Consider this j-card extract from one of my tapes - the
cassette was:  TDK MA-XG

Artist
"The Who"
Simply Vinyl 180g Pressing

Linn LP12, SME IV Arm
Transfiguration Esprit Cart, (120ohm 1,3mV)
Linn Lingo PS, Ringmat,
Eurekon MC001 P/stage
Genesis Bal. Sol.Silver 
Jeff Rowland Consummate" Pre-amp
Nakamichi CR-7E  (Dolby C) 
TR. Date: 15/12/2003

This is quite a nice vinyl set-up.  I know some of you will be thinking
- he needs to hear an "Orbe" or "Townshend Rock Reference" or Forsell,
or whatever.  Sure, they are fantastic.  The main point is, you will not
want to waste the extraordinary resolving power of a Super-Metal if only
recording from a CD, or radio.  Also, you do not want to be using a
cassette deck that cannot manage to make the most of the demanding tape
formulation, including it's phenomenol overload characteristics. 

These are not everyday tapes, but if you're looking to blow someones
socks off with a sound that they never dreamed possible - (never mind
that it's from cassette, which they will never even suspect) these
honeys will do it.

Cheers,

Marc






>>> rkunst at C-K.com 09/30/04 01:00AM >>>
NOS
SONY
METAL MASTER
SUPER AUDIO
CASSETTE TAPES
FOR SALE 

$64.99 ea!!!

http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm


Is it me? Or is this out of control??
If not, should I snatch them up??
We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
Are they that much better??

http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm 



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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Sep 30 23:52:16 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:52:16 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6CD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

I know what you mean Gra'. I built a remote for my ZX9 using an old VCR
corded remote and it too looks like I'm taking a dog for a walk (love that
statememnt), so I went and bought a second-hand rm-580r/t. Love it to bits.

	Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2004 8:45
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote


Yeah but the long lead makes it look like I'm taking a dog for a walk when I
use it, and that ain't as cool as an infra-red remote!!  <<grin>>

Gra'

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> Sent: 29 September 2004 22:56
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> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 670ZX Remote
>
>
> Cool! That is a pretty decent price for such a remote.
>
> 	Tom.
>
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>
>
> I got my mint RM-200 on German eBay for about $50.
>
> Gra'
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From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Thu Sep 30 23:56:30 2004
From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:56:30 +1000 
Subject: [naktalk] auto repeat function ...?
Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6CE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Nathan. I own a BX-300 with the same function, here's how it works. If
you switch on the auto-repeat the machine will play the tape from start to
finish and then rewind the tape to the begining and play it all over again.
If you have the memory fuction (I think that is what the counter seach
functions does) turned on, the repeat function will rewind until the tape
counter reaches 0000 and starts playing again.
 
    Hope this helps you.
 
    Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: senthil nathan [mailto:sendigitall at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2004 5:25
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] auto repeat function ...?



hi 

  i own a cassette deck 1.5 ....but i dont have any manuals ....i just
wanted to know ..how to use the auto repeat function ?..first of all i hope
the auto repeat function works like this ...we determine a specific time in
the counter after which it automatically rewinds and plays from the
start...or 0000.all these happens without us needing to push any button
??...and the process repeats it self over and over ...is it so?...cause the
"counter search" button can rewind upto the 0000 and play from there when
ever we press it in play mode .....

                 so anyway ..the cassette deck 1.5 has a selector from which
we can select auto repeat ...and at the counter it has the counter search
and counter reset buttons ...rest are the normal play and cue controls ..so
wat should i do to get an auto repeat working with these controls .And is
there any thing else i need to know about a cassette deck 1.5 ....cause this
is my first nak ......thanks



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From rjlbjk at cox.net  Thu Sep 30 16:03:40 2004
From: rjlbjk at cox.net (roland)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:03:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES 
In-Reply-To: <BD80A8D3.E33%rkunst@c-k.com>
References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0531D6CA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040930100319.01be81a0@pop.east.cox.net>

Although rare, they come up on eBay for around $25-35


At 06:00 PM 9/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>NOS
>SONY
>METAL MASTER
>SUPER AUDIO
>CASSETTE TAPES
>FOR SALE
>
>$64.99 ea!!!
>
>http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>
>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>If not, should I snatch them up??
>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
>Are they that much better??
>
>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>
>
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From neillipes628 at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 30 21:39:38 2004
From: neillipes628 at hotmail.com (neil lipes)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:39:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
Message-ID: <BAY2-F355XmllgYBr4B0002556b@hotmail.com>

Mark:

All the audio "pundants" in my family were silenced years ago when I got 
tired of hearing that I was strange with my tube amps and VPI/TNT/ET front 
end.........so I invited them over for dinner and let them flap their gums 
about how great cd's were....after some direct comparisons of identical 
music on differenrt media cd's/lp's........all but my two stupid cousins 
admitted how different the records sounded to the cds......they even used 
the terms warmer.....and more life like.....given a good analog front 
end........the digital monster is exposed as the fraud he truly is!

Neil


>From: "Mark Hugo" <Mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
>To: <rkunst at C-K.com>, <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:09:54 +0200
>
>Yes!!
>
>It does seem crazy!!  And I'm sure we've all had a good laugh, mainly
>because we have a couple of super-metals smugly stashed away.  But of
>course, from a viewpoint of demand/supply economics, the value of
>anything is determined by the price at which it will change hands.  And
>these things are moving off his/her shelves!!
>
>However, having said that, they are simply fantastic tapes.  I am a
>great fan of Maxell XLII-S.  It's probably my favourite type II.
>However, a SSMM is a type IV and will beat it soundly (pardon the pun)
>on every measurable rating in the book, have no fear of that.  The
>levels of fidelity possible are of the highest order and it cannot be
>wasted on either substandard equipment or find it's way into the hands
>of amateurs.  This sort of pricing will make sure of that.
>
>The way to use a cassette such as this is on a top quality deck,
>recording from virgin vinyl or master tape on a very high-end analogue
>system.  I suggest analogue so as to keep the analogue format all the
>way through.  Consider this j-card extract from one of my tapes - the
>cassette was:  TDK MA-XG
>
>Artist
>"The Who"
>Simply Vinyl 180g Pressing
>
>Linn LP12, SME IV Arm
>Transfiguration Esprit Cart, (120ohm 1,3mV)
>Linn Lingo PS, Ringmat,
>Eurekon MC001 P/stage
>Genesis Bal. Sol.Silver
>Jeff Rowland Consummate" Pre-amp
>Nakamichi CR-7E  (Dolby C)
>TR. Date: 15/12/2003
>
>This is quite a nice vinyl set-up.  I know some of you will be thinking
>- he needs to hear an "Orbe" or "Townshend Rock Reference" or Forsell,
>or whatever.  Sure, they are fantastic.  The main point is, you will not
>want to waste the extraordinary resolving power of a Super-Metal if only
>recording from a CD, or radio.  Also, you do not want to be using a
>cassette deck that cannot manage to make the most of the demanding tape
>formulation, including it's phenomenol overload characteristics.
>
>These are not everyday tapes, but if you're looking to blow someones
>socks off with a sound that they never dreamed possible - (never mind
>that it's from cassette, which they will never even suspect) these
>honeys will do it.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> rkunst at C-K.com 09/30/04 01:00AM >>>
>NOS
>SONY
>METAL MASTER
>SUPER AUDIO
>CASSETTE TAPES
>FOR SALE
>
>$64.99 ea!!!
>
>http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>
>
>Is it me? Or is this out of control??
>If not, should I snatch them up??
>We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90� each.
>Are they that much better??
>
>http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Sep 30 22:19:19 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:19:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES 
In-Reply-To: <BD80A8D3.E33%rkunst@c-k.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a72a$c3ffc200$2c9987d9@oemcomputer>

Blimey!  If they are selling for THAT much ... I've got a couple still in
their wrappers!!!

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Ray Kunst
> Sent: 30 September 2004 00:01
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
>
>
> NOS
> SONY
> METAL MASTER
> SUPER AUDIO
> CASSETTE TAPES
> FOR SALE
>
> $64.99 ea!!!
>
> http://www.oaktreeent.com/Sony_Super_Metal_Master_Audio_Cassette_Tapes.htm
>
> Is it me? Or is this out of control??
> If not, should I snatch them up??
> We can still get Maxell XLII-S 90's for 90¢ each.
> Are they that much better??
>
> http://www.cheapbatteries.com/audio.htm
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Sep 30 23:48:48 2004
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Nelson)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:48:48 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES - slightly
	OT - but amusing
In-Reply-To: <000701c4a747$fa9d35a0$08773242@CopyTech>
Message-ID: <000001c4a737$44831e20$8ea64e51@oemcomputer>

You reminded me - I was chatting to an ageing hi fi dealer the other day and
he began to rant ....

"And another thing!  What about the Linn LP12?!    Why do they have to keep
introducing things that fix this or that?  Why couldn't they get the design
right first time, or at least right before they released it?  And if it's a
fix, for this or that, to improve the deck. why do we have to pay for them?
If you bought a new car you wouldn't expect to pay for a new set of wheels
if the last ones weren't perfectly round!  The money it costs to keep
upgrading them ... if you'd saved that up you could buy an even better
turntable and you'd still have quids to spare to add a decent arm and
cartridge and a bundle of records ..."

Had to grin when I heard that ...

Gra'

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> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of El Magnifico
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> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY METAL MASTER SUPER AUDIO CASSETTE TAPES
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>
> Nice set-up, Mark. My Linn still with the original Ittok and a
> Koetsu Black.
> How does the Lingo improve the sound ?
>
> Carlos
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